From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 1 15:31:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D6783BE89; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YZ6liDrka6PwqHRQmlxX/X1ZBATEl2EdfTcCsCUmiCs=; b=MDOEkjs7FIQLRXVd+V7E8Aj+sYf+WmWITOT425DZm6kQ8ulOVZFIiJFMuS/Cxhme+N mfgV/648JUT3YPYN65b5g6aGogYpqb6oXV9UfPPgAqFSQutNU4sPLYS+6xae/tWY69Y5 FRxOC9i3e48r6iGzKN7TvnFyg6kiDA//Adr3w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Vkyb8R04eRxJs/T7Nyk7gIYIVSdLNtbdZN9exd/m9rNHEoYIeZJYqSbNW3viJeqbSZ g56FDbmrWEgv66NHSjg4WgEA+ifmVWlhlz6ez53Vt4vXBtesuKhEgVbRHDYTUG1tRhKZ AN1L5toWHajEBK7PFVPL5B7Yc6jpvuiBOXl9c= Message-ID: <4CF66A33.8070904@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:30:59 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tha Frippster in NYC References: <4CF56D46.4080806@googlemail.com> <663BEA6F-164A-49E5-9774-D00B44563AFA@1800dialword.com> In-Reply-To: <663BEA6F-164A-49E5-9774-D00B44563AFA@1800dialword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Any New Yorkers going to see Fripp's Soundscapes shows this weekend? Purportedly his LAST EVER OMG according to some buzz a few months ago. Not sure if that's still true or not, but this is Fripp looping (for free, even). I'm there. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 1 15:56:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E72873BE79; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 592265.32311.bm@omp1005.mail.ird.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=cvmesujN0AMX4Xq85o8oB0h3FYwJZjLbEU5qq/LJhvzBvTi+l6CefBAo1IjkG5gVSbMMiXge/tT7mpWN0cuYeNxQKjWXby5zNCkNtd1H3QZgYeax0PyBnUxq8KedaKOmxaCCnF12ngWlSmzTsmuAtPGQr5+zWbTvW8gR5CDGyh4= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1291219008; bh=odKkEeGHJ4XMQgV5X2kk2fWACGbdw+/VgK5ICtwIf7g=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=BPmWYLPgY+OaMMy6ir5NJuC5gzLVFtRI4xg55KDoVySkbBQRZeUd7GtZNE39lxMweWOQdglH0SEyhgoLowYQZTD91MVJE0rHj6hnFGatNrzVau75+7X7Q8RId/U1WHGqDy/oW76jA/Em1Guge3smgaCo7JId9xLKEcxVV4UyHNw= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: RCXesM4VM1nIG5uD.Ab88VHTb4rIG0STXLvey_QkNqqR8LW MOTgxa_QtKuKP5uHNU_o9ur64MfXqFXa5AvZMaIVe5fPzEy3wmWAyCsfPGyk .MCTuRoO61LVkJMrz86FiRl1Fzz6IYjqGIpuLWJF6kzjRhMt8WfD.eV1rbll jGiuIoOySHeTU5hQnum2hi7XMU.uTgX.gvkP3Olnbplr11yWVpRpvvWNl7rj h1sh143jvjH5NizeE_jaOZYbVVxWj215eQAEoexStFPt74gF6b40aifvuBBV izh2h36AxGxIavOw7qrM- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4CF66A33.8070904@gmail.com> References: <4CF56D46.4080806@googlemail.com> <663BEA6F-164A-49E5-9774-D00B44563AFA@1800dialword.com> <4CF66A33.8070904@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-42--620816313 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Tha Frippster in NYC Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:56:36 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:56:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-42--620816313 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I wish - i know he said he wasn't doing anything next year to work on a book :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 1 Dec 2010, at 15:30, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Any New Yorkers going to see Fripp's Soundscapes shows this > weekend? Purportedly his LAST EVER OMG according to some buzz a few > months ago. Not sure if that's still true or not, but this is Fripp > looping (for free, even). I'm there. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > --Apple-Mail-42--620816313 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII I wish - i know he said he wasn't doing anything next year to work on a = book :)

Matt = Stevens
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On 1 Dec 2010, = at 15:30, Daryl Shawn wrote:

Any New Yorkers going to see Fripp's Soundscapes = shows this weekend? Purportedly his LAST EVER OMG according to some buzz = a few months ago. Not sure if that's still true or not, but this is = Fripp looping (for free, even). I'm there.

Daryl = Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

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= --Apple-Mail-42--620816313-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 1 16:43:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6DBD3BE86; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=suWKtHLokSLhgRj/qwhqS2gMHsJKyM1XSPXQ0SgkJQY=; b=vQPPsvnLQe98RtdBp3SSxq0MUUTSMiGH9JeIoGHkfTCi/l48t07CA7BngbiNhIOYQO +3YLDwlMUwDlR43ElDPpTlQ6TU3MYSSNXp3oAdcpKrBIqMYMqkDEhENPGR0GlL0ugoWK 61/Oc5E6/arpY0ZVU5Wl9llvUkNHpHY6P33Is= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=CMSocEF2QWXmCHelnwjXqAiNtVsSStBB/DySs9iVNcx4991awN7djUoZTvld9pU1pc 9WMvLEsc+xprW3NVv03QuzLsbHF9pqOuM6av4jOPqW3715bgLgIPmNjGmToj38O5twZE T7iH53YpkqrCy/9GbQ7UQWGK+PoTSF5B6nUVU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4CF56D46.4080806@googlemail.com> <663BEA6F-164A-49E5-9774-D00B44563AFA@1800dialword.com> <4CF66A33.8070904@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 18:43:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tha Frippster in NYC From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00248c11e371d1bd3c04965c02ba Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:43:56 +0000 (UTC) --00248c11e371d1bd3c04965c02ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Matt - a book? is there more info on that? 2010/12/1 Matt Stevens > I wish - i know he said he wasn't doing anything next year to work on a > book :) > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > On 1 Dec 2010, at 15:30, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > Any New Yorkers going to see Fripp's Soundscapes shows this weekend? > Purportedly his LAST EVER OMG according to some buzz a few months ago. Not > sure if that's still true or not, but this is Fripp looping (for free, > even). I'm there. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --00248c11e371d1bd3c04965c02ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt=A0 -=A0=A0 a=A0 book? is there more info=A0 on that?

2010/12/1 Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com= >
I wish - i know he said he wasn't doing anything next year to work on a= book :)


On 1 Dec 2010, at= 15:30, Daryl Shawn wrote:

Any New Yorkers going to see Fripp's Soundscapes shows t= his weekend? Purportedly his LAST EVER OMG according to some buzz a few mon= ths ago. Not sure if that's still true or not, but this is Fripp loopin= g (for free, even). I'm there.

Daryl Shawn





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--00248c11e371d1bd3c04965c02ba-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 1 16:58:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EA753BE75; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=m7jDc6Y+jHX+N1mSJuZEQ7TxVVTHkA5bdu2JgBll2cUuLGSSPJvedUhVNH0zAPUP; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4CF66A33.8070904@gmail.com> References: <4CF56D46.4080806@googlemail.com> <663BEA6F-164A-49E5-9774-D00B44563AFA@1800dialword.com> <4CF66A33.8070904@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 11:57:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Tha Frippster in NYC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e08c166c344c71cf05acf5393356b8b3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: <-ngn4.A.ny.Y6n9MB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Can't even find any info... Where when ? >Any New Yorkers going to see Fripp's Soundscapes shows this weekend? >Purportedly his LAST EVER OMG according to some buzz a few months >ago. Not sure if that's still true or not, but this is Fripp looping >(for free, even). I'm there. > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 1 17:00:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC1533BE75; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/SDLacR1O/JM/T+mVQNOom52b0qln404okA4I+EVZxI=; b=uM+SQmDhDoMThRGX3fkDAfWHt1Yec71T2PAvggekp0Bu+Kl3cZSVv32N6ySatQIezW 9fOit2f3slsCWK43GD+NjtmPFC6pG/GQKb7cT9O2jXVs1J3Znnf9Jvwz6G5QrAj18UIK 2TFK2YCQig6B3SMP6sao22H1KVd2PMfMBfi50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Hma8VnFLMIyl6hrZxkFpNOo1I6oUFncD8L7SRR/bLk+uNBg8+v+E4D5eQeNHuYybM2 y9ZIJ6MQtsSh2cQhjDiiByL59uAWP1wQlziSEI+O7i/mqgthSYsOQp8yYhnRBN9x8XWE r5d5zVukj8pQcl2ahtgwiHQgl3sUHcidl3DYM= Message-ID: <4CF67F2F.50105@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:00:31 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tha Frippster in NYC References: <4CF56D46.4080806@googlemail.com> <663BEA6F-164A-49E5-9774-D00B44563AFA@1800dialword.com> <4CF66A33.8070904@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, should have sent this w/the first post: it's at the Winter Garden (World Financial Center, 220 Vesey St.), at 12:30 & 7 pm on both Friday and Saturday. http://www.villagevoice.com/events/robert-fripp-2254103/ Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Can't even find any info... Where when ? > > >> Any New Yorkers going to see Fripp's Soundscapes shows this weekend? >> Purportedly his LAST EVER OMG according to some buzz a few months >> ago. Not sure if that's still true or not, but this is Fripp looping >> (for free, even). I'm there. >> >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 1 17:05:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 770183BE86; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=89rZHy3zSBC3LZeZ2SK/w9aTcdKKknK9xRpl07kVZ68=; b=CPH+29/eaaycicUznyWj5DizCIiyZ4bETu3GQW7aCCM0YfdWbbXq84L3JY+tMbtTIv GiYCM8b9xUqVcj9Q3Z4uD8PAXsGwau767WGgN6UAe+3z5hoNzjOlpyAbRVzqzPzVYZjR lxCOKY6zAgSLgYs6gmBnZXRtgUBBrMjqURjeo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=r/gt3BgyxQZQUmcMqGoLEyESI4KjbUAlSf1syQQPa6JnzQRQdRFNBctIFmE/xhb8ZD rp66lTaZ1Vmzd+3HBXMI4xtX/iCjTzy0FO+sw6DMLLoj5n4YjCgCmEbabqZjl8NgBXwo /LJQL73IEoU56yA+HuC37TK8mrhIH/IIKtkAA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4CF56D46.4080806@googlemail.com> <663BEA6F-164A-49E5-9774-D00B44563AFA@1800dialword.com> <4CF66A33.8070904@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:05:05 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tha Frippster in NYC From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:05:06 +0000 (UTC) I think the book is about the EG litigation that he was embroiled in for so many years. Or, the period of Endless Grief, as its also been referred to. Check the DGM diaries for all things Fripp. Kevin On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Matt=A0 -=A0=A0 a=A0 book? is there more info=A0 on that? > > 2010/12/1 Matt Stevens >> >> I wish - i know he said he wasn't doing anything next year to work on a >> book :) >> Matt Stevens >> www.mattstevensguitar.com >> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >> >> >> >> On 1 Dec 2010, at 15:30, Daryl Shawn wrote: >> >> Any New Yorkers going to see Fripp's Soundscapes shows this weekend? >> Purportedly his LAST EVER OMG according to some buzz a few months ago. N= ot >> sure if that's still true or not, but this is Fripp looping (for free, >> even). I'm there. >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com >> > > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen > http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen > http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ > --------------------------------------------------- > "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- > --------------------------------------------------- > "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." > -Charles Bukowski- > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 1 17:09:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DF0C3BE8A; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:09:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 921171.79478.bm@omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=1aJz3auIbVMy7V1jztlQwI5PtFrw9++QvYWq6RTwTQtiq6EiqvZdundDJKXeR2W5YddaZ5QpLwYzxYnfxOLDpjquNI1Zqo6S2SG5kauCnHwtrbF5DAr3wiKxa0WI49jgnrxFIZuTIjxnat+ZHvdSkN2RnzT4DYLF/n9Q778M44w= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1291223368; bh=VwPNYLpWdV/dsw1ntk8h7WwfOHzNVAUFb+pzKhs/tD0=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=I6G7hSVbb+qPqM4uJW2wY48kqu9wywAFU/+WjinwP7IhHM0GKrMzDMGlLjmsyvqBMTTXymyueCLBE+rTZcqdWfrEbBQ8v5IwsqrbvV7uRLduiJkk7JMDjQabaEWQmMJ3ffPvApw7WOK/uesJBvktaJ11Dw4cmS7/e4pzYeUIEhw= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: AE1rx2UVM1lMSR3cuMOD2g828MvE5NHdMuslFi0HZZzlpcU IzHXFefDfORdB_Jp8tzK5t3sI_pp4O0amWTsJhdktqEfsJGQknrRZpFklcYa fSdSQlmsjHNEaCGRyrMm0RZvmsEABQScga5CnP8.TJ57phxPR8grCMcEnr0C zVa3O8PH2Tm5ffj_9neWJ1PEJjL_a9jHj27O6yZHBCzsiY_BxA3_3KzM3kZc MOUCHp3Z54iTbI6VZOv8K5n8Q5eRBuM0UhGKiWlN5gdvL6h2poBICX5D22HH KtcGOw1.wudxHIcGUztxF3r_WPtQ4dyg- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <4CF56D46.4080806@googlemail.com> <663BEA6F-164A-49E5-9774-D00B44563AFA@1800dialword.com> <4CF66A33.8070904@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-43--616457015 Message-Id: <8FE0ACAF-1512-4D61-8119-EC8F09B916E8@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Tha Frippster in NYC Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:09:15 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:09:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-43--616457015 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thats where I read about it Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 1 Dec 2010, at 17:05, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I think the book is about the EG litigation that he was embroiled in > for so many years. Or, the period of Endless Grief, as its also been > referred to. > > Check the DGM diaries for all things Fripp. > > Kevin > > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: >> Matt - a book? is there more info on that? >> >> 2010/12/1 Matt Stevens >>> >>> I wish - i know he said he wasn't doing anything next year to >>> work on a >>> book :) >>> Matt Stevens >>> www.mattstevensguitar.com >>> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1 Dec 2010, at 15:30, Daryl Shawn wrote: >>> >>> Any New Yorkers going to see Fripp's Soundscapes shows this weekend? >>> Purportedly his LAST EVER OMG according to some buzz a few months >>> ago. Not >>> sure if that's still true or not, but this is Fripp looping (for >>> free, >>> even). I'm there. >>> Daryl Shawn >>> www.swanwelder.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Petri Lahtinen >> http://www.petrilahtinen.com >> http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen >> http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen >> http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ >> --------------------------------------------------- >> "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert >> Fripp- >> --------------------------------------------------- >> "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must >> lead." >> -Charles Bukowski- >> >> > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to > have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all > trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > --Apple-Mail-43--616457015 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Thats where I read about it

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 1 Dec 2010, = at 17:05, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:

I think the book is about the EG litigation that he = was embroiled in
for so many years.  Or, the period of Endless = Grief, as its also been
referred = to.

Check the DGM diaries for all things = Fripp.

Kevin

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:43 AM, = Petri Lahtinen <aikuinen@gmail.com> = wrote:
Matt  = -   a  book? is there more info  on that?

mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com>

I wish - i = know he said he wasn't doing anything next year to work on a
book :)
Matt = Stevens



On 1 Dec = 2010, at 15:30, Daryl Shawn wrote:

Any New Yorkers going to see = Fripp's Soundscapes shows this weekend?
sure if that's still true or = not, but this is Fripp looping (for free,
even). = I'm there.
Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com




--
Petri Lahtinen
http://www.petrilahtinen.com
"Only become professional musician if there is no = choice." -Robert Fripp-
"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible = lives they must lead."
-Charles = Bukowski-





-- 
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the = body and to have a
form. That is the primal = ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana = Maharshi (1879-1950)
Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org

=

= --Apple-Mail-43--616457015-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 1 17:33:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BB783BE86; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Lm3Alzz1MwvuxNoZKAB8M76f9P8mVbTCC94EJG0xzmU=; b=RWpj0wnxuNnp6IReYZHxYfCfFARB3PvI+sAI49EqcIoFCb6KSl4/F2JXWzStJW6miW c/vL+kUTKw+q6ZvdgKgZDAf8Q0IwOhpu/usRozHzG/d+tgXEz5ydUM04FVItzqHa7jb1 0F2oMShkYG5k2tDHqHVoFM5UtOqbgqh139nzU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=UOohSBkPQnOR0qQzLdPfl8V8bktTWMm4U+GbWtNs26/UgfdKNE/ZTV972O+KWcGEzL +dc65q0pVMvQxjBH2ZW6a+ulW72bB0OmbMLa6MofRh/2xmUbumthnrgLChjgGdLPKW6j AA5Z4UZ7EPymodI41e7tXw6625/KnqzrrbxxE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 11:33:56 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: who's using what... From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0d684b38ca304965cb592 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:33:58 +0000 (UTC) --000e0ce0d684b38ca304965cb592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 when i played out live (oh, a few yrs ago at an open mic nite) i took my hohner acoustic and my parker nitefly to play my 25 min set....i remember thinking afterwards, hmm, i need to just take one guitar....although i was running through some stuff recently, & thought i should get out again....every few yrs....ha... as for in my studio, my recent setup is: guitar-digitech rp150-zvex mastotron-SD lava box-digitech dl8-EH16 DDLri-boss slicer-behringer tweakalizer-lexicon mx200--out to either direct my fostex mr8 digital recorder or my fender keyboard 60 amp digitech rp150-5 sec of glitchy loops digitech dl8-i use the 8 sec of digital delay loops (been loving doing 2 sec ones recently) eh16ddl-i mainly use for pitch shifting mangling, slow-fast, fast-slow...most fun. tweakalizer-i use the sampler-which i love and i love the filter in it. its funky goodness. kind of big and klunky, but i got it cheap from someone on the LD site, i really like this thing. new they are 100$ i think....lately i've mainly used it for drum machine processing in 2 sec sample mode. good for that!!! it can do reverse and pitch up or down also!!! i should probably get my son's flip camera out and do some crappy demo vids of my gear sometime....ha! my setup has been pretty similar for a few yrs, things change in & out, but essentially doing the same thing, options for: distortion, effects, looping, envelope sounds, reverb, etc... below is some of my old vids, demoing gear i was using before (the above setup is sort of newish for me in last few months, before i was using 2 modelers for a long time, liking cleaner sounds as of late), vids here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=235503632389016121#docid=5791548553161416906 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=235503632389016121# http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/28102613 but that's what i use & abuse... s--- www.myspace.com/scotthansen --000e0ce0d684b38ca304965cb592 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable when i played out live (oh, a few yrs ago at an open mic nite) i took my ho= hner acoustic and my parker nitefly to play my 25 min set....i remember thi= nking afterwards, hmm, i need to just take one guitar....although i was run= ning through some stuff recently, & thought i should get out again....e= very few yrs....ha...

as for in my studio, my recent setup is:
guitar-digitech rp150-zvex = mastotron-SD lava box-digitech dl8-EH16 DDLri-boss slicer-behringer tweakal= izer-lexicon mx200--out to either direct my fostex mr8 digital recorder or = my fender keyboard 60 amp

digitech rp150-5 sec of glitchy loops
digitech dl8-i use the 8 sec o= f digital delay loops (been loving doing 2 sec ones recently)
eh16ddl-i = mainly use for pitch shifting mangling, slow-fast, fast-slow...most fun. tweakalizer-i use the sampler-which i love and i love the filter in it. its= funky goodness. kind of big and klunky, but i got it cheap from someone on= the LD site, i really like this thing. new they are 100$ i think....lately= i've mainly used it for drum machine processing in 2 sec sample mode. = good for that!!! it can do reverse and pitch up or down also!!!

i should probably get my son's flip camera out and do some crappy d= emo vids of my gear sometime....ha!

my setup has been pretty similar= for a few yrs, things change in & out, but essentially doing the same = thing, options for: distortion, effects, looping, envelope sounds, reverb, = etc...

below is some of my old vids, demoing gear i was using before (the abov= e setup is sort of newish for me in last few months, before i was using 2 m= odelers for a long time, liking cleaner sounds as of late), vids here:

http://video.google.com/= videoplay?docid=3D235503632389016121#docid=3D5791548553161416906

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D235503632= 389016121#

h= ttp://www.mefeedia.com/watch/28102613


but that's what i use & abuse...
s---
www.myspace.com/scotthansen
--000e0ce0d684b38ca304965cb592-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 1 19:21:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BA9C3BE88; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bbZXwbSvuJp5KGduUwB9KWQZ2MHnczmnCQ0yqyCqH/Y=; b=o+xZD6FMoMUEoLe/QKE+oeRvCl4KfzG5ie/Gg4T0/YELyen3vKDh7+DzYDrAbj3ff4 7sfbRnS35mB5t2PUDhXM1oNZxfa+rY6wLxf0gOuHrB4hJr3R2aajiTKAtQr7QB730aBf U4M7Yo3hSkz8fzpJc4IWzzMKdISciKSuuWCbA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hsigNG2+gIsIl+EwrKrUIhAHwmm1s38zV2v6w+AxT1JGOQUpG/UJBL9MtYiYlbMS04 o9ohAmMF2JQrAaL+uci2PDQiNYo8TRFjaDwZHkZH5vsWl/xeO1/RlJK1L9EGD6QWKb+X Tmv0eNl6zHpBJ8oFOjQvisYaszOOY6Gtqk0A8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4CF66A33.8070904@gmail.com> References: <4CF56D46.4080806@googlemail.com> <663BEA6F-164A-49E5-9774-D00B44563AFA@1800dialword.com> <4CF66A33.8070904@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:21:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tha Frippster in NYC From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bf07ae0613804965e34d7 Resent-Message-ID: <65ZGOB.A.JfD.jAq9MB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:21:07 +0000 (UTC) --0015174bf07ae0613804965e34d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A little info: http://www.villagevoice.com/events/robert-fripp-2254103/ On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Any New Yorkers going to see Fripp's Soundscapes shows this weekend? > Purportedly his LAST EVER OMG according to some buzz a few months ago. Not > sure if that's still true or not, but this is Fripp looping (for free, > even). I'm there. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > -- -==-=-=- Tony --0015174bf07ae0613804965e34d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0A little info:

http://www.villagevoice.com/events/robert-fripp-2254103/=

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Dar= yl Shawn <dary= lshawn@gmail.com> wrote:
Any New Yorkers going to see Fripp's So= undscapes shows this weekend? Purportedly his LAST EVER OMG according to so= me buzz a few months ago. Not sure if that's still true or not, but thi= s is Fripp looping (for free, even). I'm there.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com<= /a>




--
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Tony
--0015174bf07ae0613804965e34d7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 1 20:30:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4613A3BE84; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 20:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1291235422; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=oSJKoGiDgDd0gZ4Kd2ugDtMoC1Y=; b=qEerMAk/cJzxrLviZHtMiIa2ziNOZrkY/cjntaSvSkbY/walbYexg7DBq1hXSz3G nVfzkmwjv5/Zsbuor98qRx9kmQQpHr0wFYX/zbLEfZwpZplR+eC6THiiyfG/pjcT; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=FqH+40RfSLtAcSobiNKava/YdBIhi/jpTtN5tLpAIDM= c=1 sm=0 a=2UEKtcyJGhkA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=JT1hOAG06gY6mx6yj3sA:9 a=i8Kf9daihhrHN6NPi-FNny7l1gkA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Hhc/OnKmOS1xKI2oHPQhqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:30:22 -0500 (EST) From: EDWARD YUHAS Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1119086132.1178446.1291235422695.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: <1363774492.1175379.1291230751770.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> Subject: Re: Tha Frippster in NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [129.139.1.68] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2328.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/6.0.5_GA_2213.RHEL4_64) Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 20:30:23 +0000 (UTC) I'll be there for both shows on Saturday, and (workplace) time off-willing, both shows on Friday, as well...otherwise, just Friday evening and Saturday. I was there for the Soundscapes performance back in 2000, and it was amazing...the music and the architectural space of that glass atrium really pair well. Edward in NJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 1 22:21:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E89AF3BE81; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 22:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=z4/XtooU3IrlNlWwvtwBjQKsLp3buqimCGM3XaM3Vuk=; b=HcoQ2VQ2g1gMm+eqf2TBZwKujiXXMgd0aCBrOdTvzRFO7fJhlKckuxMJlb4RanNXjD 6dqkhNROF/7DvihG9lKmbqb9BP3vTQNzRaoU2lqT0mBWCjQeEOM28v23HJubYC76mBtI ONEx91vBxBFsb8C5tTeaz+o49/1cGnvtA2fPg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=ULlJsLFhCz4C0y6/wr4ZAd24tAERF/lZtF1odcSjZ34t+iM5sHbaz2lLf40qHj9vkq WKu7Lg/9Q0c3j8hrmtyqUNPA1YMl7ZP2Y7M4pzMai5/v6drfTZYw/mX04q2qpIUs/8AH GARBX6mIBTGB2rX5CcwUOg2B0ZcD8IfsuAS3I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:21:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Mobius Loop Music Box From: Tony K To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bee7428ab40049660babd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 22:21:32 +0000 (UTC) --0015174bee7428ab40049660babd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thought some of you might enjoy this little video. It loops with a twist. ;) http://vihart.com/musicbox/ -- -==-=-=- Tony --0015174bee7428ab40049660babd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thought some of you might enjoy this little video.

It loops with a twist. ;)

http://vihart.com/musicbox/

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--0015174bee7428ab40049660babd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 02:18:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E3353BE84; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 02:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: OT: French composers are leaving France for the US? References: <4CF4E35A.5080000@cruzio.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-10--583561747"; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: <4CF4E35A.5080000@cruzio.com> thread-topic: OT: French composers are leaving France for the US? thread-index: AcuRxy83zPSqo6dESJGh1OE+iOcIaw== Message-ID: <1DB5A162-7693-40BE-AA26-AF99858D2AB0@1800dialword.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 21:17:30 -0500 To: Cc: "Art Simon" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2010 02:18:28.0795 (UTC) FILETIME=[353DC0B0:01CB91C7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 02:18:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10--583561747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wait!! You mean there is a way to Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:43 AM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > > Art Simon wrote: > > Really, I'm shocked. It doesn't seem like the US right now is really > > flowering with interest in contemporary music. I thought with IRCAM's > > rich history, not the least of which is that it's the origin of MAX, > > France was the mecca for contemporary music. I guess I'm out of touch. > > IRCAM has certainly been an amazing resource for talented french (and > other) > composers and producers. > > Because I live here in Santa Cruz, where Creative Labs and Emu Systems > have been > for a long time, I know that Creative has continually hired the best > and brightest > spacialization experts straight out of IRCAM. I've met so many brilliant > spacialization experts and , indeed, one woman, Veronique Larcher was like > Gertrude Stein in this area because she was so invested in producing new > music > events and connecting different musicians together. She was a godsend > to our > area, culturally and it was tragic to me, when she was forced to leave > the area for > economic reasons. > > But that's the rub: a lot of people coming out of new music programs > everywhere > either have possibilities to teach (which are diminishing rapidly at > least in the US) > or to take on high paying jobs like all the spacialization experts who > came from > France to our area, straight out of IRCAM. > > The same phenomenon can also be seen in Northern California, which > really has a tendency > to produce forward thinking and innovative artists (probably due to not > only it's extremeley > liberal and artistic intellectual climate but also due to the extreme > wealth that existed here for > so long with the Dot Com boom). By the way, paranthetically, I'm not > saying that other countries > or regions don't also have tons of creativity..........I'm not that > insular...........lol > > There has been an astonishing brain drain of young musicians out of both > the San Francisco and > Monterey Bay areas because of economic hardships and how expensive it is > to live here. > Hundreds have moved to Portland, Oregon, Seattle, Washington, Austin, > Texas, New York City, New York > and out of the country to avoid how expensive and hard to exist that is > for a typical Northern California > artist. > > But you can't completely kill the French spirit any more than you can > kill the Northern California > spirit.............those composers are still creating amazing things and > they are still French...... > they just may feel that they can't afford to live in France any longer. > > It's happening all over the world, which is why we need to be vigilant > as artists and we need > to be focused on building community to counter the economic trends of a > world that is working > with increasingly diminishing resources with a population that is still > swelling rapidly. > --Apple-Mail-10--583561747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Wait!! You mean there is a way to 

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!


On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:43 AM, "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:


  Art Simon wrote:
> Really, I'm shocked. It doesn't seem like the US right now is really
> flowering with interest in contemporary music. I thought with IRCAM's
> rich history, not the least of which is that it's the origin of MAX,
> France was the mecca for contemporary music. I guess I'm out of touch.

IRCAM has certainly been an amazing resource for talented french (and
other)
composers and producers.

Because I live here in Santa Cruz, where Creative Labs and Emu Systems
have been
for a long time,  I know that Creative has continually hired the best
and brightest
spacialization experts straight out of IRCAM.    I've met so many brilliant
spacialization experts and , indeed, one woman,  Veronique Larcher was like
Gertrude Stein in this area because she was so invested in producing new
music
events and connecting different musicians together.    She was a godsend
to our
area, culturally and it was tragic to me, when she was forced to leave
the area for
economic reasons.

But that's the rub:   a lot of people coming out of new music  programs
everywhere
either have possibilities to teach (which are diminishing rapidly at
least in the US)
or to take on high paying jobs like all the spacialization experts who
came from
France to our area, straight out of IRCAM.

The same phenomenon can also be seen in Northern California, which
really has a tendency
to produce forward thinking and innovative artists (probably due to not
only it's extremeley
liberal and artistic intellectual climate but also due to the extreme
wealth that existed here for
so long with the Dot Com boom).   By the way, paranthetically,  I'm not
saying that other countries
or regions don't also have tons of creativity..........I'm not that
insular...........lol

There has been an astonishing brain drain of young musicians out of both
the San Francisco and
Monterey Bay areas because of economic hardships and how expensive it is
to live here.
Hundreds have moved to Portland, Oregon, Seattle, Washington,  Austin,
Texas,  New York City, New York
and out of the country to avoid how expensive and hard to exist that is
for a typical Northern California
artist.

But you can't completely kill the French spirit any more than you can
kill the Northern California
spirit.............those composers are still creating amazing things and
they are still French......
they just may feel that they can't afford to live in France any longer.

It's happening all over the world, which is why we need to be vigilant
as artists and we need
to be focused on building community to counter the economic trends of a
world that is working
with increasingly diminishing resources with a population that is still
swelling rapidly.

--Apple-Mail-10--583561747-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 02:22:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEAD33BE84; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 02:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: OT: French composers are leaving France for the US? References: <4CF4E35A.5080000@cruzio.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-11--583356446"; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: <4CF4E35A.5080000@cruzio.com> thread-topic: OT: French composers are leaving France for the US? thread-index: AcuRx6o3tIV7Pgk7QWefLJ2sKyWZvQ== Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 21:20:55 -0500 To: Cc: "Art Simon" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2010 02:22:31.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5E17E40:01CB91C7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 02:22:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11--583356446 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wait!! You mean there is a way to make a living playing music???? Holy Cow, I= gotta get out more often! But seriously, I've, and I guess I'm far from alone, have always had to have= a day job hobby to support my music vocation. Although now I'm 55 and my da= d still asks me when I play out "well did you get in free?" Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:43 AM, "Rick Walker" wrote: >=20 > Art Simon wrote: > > Really, I'm shocked. It doesn't seem like the US right now is really > > flowering with interest in contemporary music. I thought with IRCAM's > > rich history, not the least of which is that it's the origin of MAX, > > France was the mecca for contemporary music. I guess I'm out of touch. >=20 > IRCAM has certainly been an amazing resource for talented french (and > other) > composers and producers. >=20 > Because I live here in Santa Cruz, where Creative Labs and Emu Systems > have been > for a long time, I know that Creative has continually hired the best > and brightest > spacialization experts straight out of IRCAM. I've met so many brillian= t > spacialization experts and , indeed, one woman, Veronique Larcher was lik= e > Gertrude Stein in this area because she was so invested in producing new > music > events and connecting different musicians together. She was a godsend > to our > area, culturally and it was tragic to me, when she was forced to leave > the area for > economic reasons. >=20 > But that's the rub: a lot of people coming out of new music programs > everywhere > either have possibilities to teach (which are diminishing rapidly at > least in the US) > or to take on high paying jobs like all the spacialization experts who > came from > France to our area, straight out of IRCAM. >=20 > The same phenomenon can also be seen in Northern California, which > really has a tendency > to produce forward thinking and innovative artists (probably due to not > only it's extremeley > liberal and artistic intellectual climate but also due to the extreme > wealth that existed here for > so long with the Dot Com boom). By the way, paranthetically, I'm not > saying that other countries > or regions don't also have tons of creativity..........I'm not that > insular...........lol >=20 > There has been an astonishing brain drain of young musicians out of both > the San Francisco and > Monterey Bay areas because of economic hardships and how expensive it is > to live here. > Hundreds have moved to Portland, Oregon, Seattle, Washington, Austin, > Texas, New York City, New York > and out of the country to avoid how expensive and hard to exist that is > for a typical Northern California > artist. >=20 > But you can't completely kill the French spirit any more than you can > kill the Northern California > spirit.............those composers are still creating amazing things and > they are still French...... > they just may feel that they can't afford to live in France any longer. >=20 > It's happening all over the world, which is why we need to be vigilant > as artists and we need > to be focused on building community to counter the economic trends of a > world that is working > with increasingly diminishing resources with a population that is still > swelling rapidly. >=20 --Apple-Mail-11--583356446 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Wait!! You mean there is a way to make a living playing music???? Holy Cow, I gotta get out more often!

But seriously, I've, and I guess I'm far from alone, have always had to have a day job hobby to support my music vocation. Although now I'm 55 and my dad still asks me when I play out "well did you get in free?"

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!


On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:43 AM, "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:


  Art Simon wrote:
> Really, I'm shocked. It doesn't seem like the US right now is really
> flowering with interest in contemporary music. I thought with IRCAM's
> rich history, not the least of which is that it's the origin of MAX,
> France was the mecca for contemporary music. I guess I'm out of touch.

IRCAM has certainly been an amazing resource for talented french (and
other)
composers and producers.

Because I live here in Santa Cruz, where Creative Labs and Emu Systems
have been
for a long time,  I know that Creative has continually hired the best
and brightest
spacialization experts straight out of IRCAM.    I've met so many brilliant
spacialization experts and , indeed, one woman,  Veronique Larcher was like
Gertrude Stein in this area because she was so invested in producing new
music
events and connecting different musicians together.    She was a godsend
to our
area, culturally and it was tragic to me, when she was forced to leave
the area for
economic reasons.

But that's the rub:   a lot of people coming out of new music  programs
everywhere
either have possibilities to teach (which are diminishing rapidly at
least in the US)
or to take on high paying jobs like all the spacialization experts who
came from
France to our area, straight out of IRCAM.

The same phenomenon can also be seen in Northern California, which
really has a tendency
to produce forward thinking and innovative artists (probably due to not
only it's extremeley
liberal and artistic intellectual climate but also due to the extreme
wealth that existed here for
so long with the Dot Com boom).   By the way, paranthetically,  I'm not
saying that other countries
or regions don't also have tons of creativity..........I'm not that
insular...........lol

There has been an astonishing brain drain of young musicians out of both
the San Francisco and
Monterey Bay areas because of economic hardships and how expensive it is
to live here.
Hundreds have moved to Portland, Oregon, Seattle, Washington,  Austin,
Texas,  New York City, New York
and out of the country to avoid how expensive and hard to exist that is
for a typical Northern California
artist.

But you can't completely kill the French spirit any more than you can
kill the Northern California
spirit.............those composers are still creating amazing things and
they are still French......
they just may feel that they can't afford to live in France any longer.

It's happening all over the world, which is why we need to be vigilant
as artists and we need
to be focused on building community to counter the economic trends of a
world that is working
with increasingly diminishing resources with a population that is still
swelling rapidly.

--Apple-Mail-11--583356446-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 03:50:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E98023BE78; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 03:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iqt0D5+wZ02I99hum8ZJ7tm48bN51Zvv8Fxg6b02n1I=; b=K/bAENdc+VUKPIV96QyWLNOq9wxq6Ve7/X1DPH8YvHPJSR2h3S8A/1ougb6aCIz404 rml3XLw+GDj2E/xsXbYisO83PIcDdyRiNYVJrgOoFjDlIylKYD3z3GvWN05kdp2K9dhj WGtuz5zCH4FMkgkb6u50OgmbIY2hmVU80vjQ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=R8m1MJvzhkOQgEx2NLAujDGfDNg7AEvM72jkEw/NiA+UR6l1dmi0aw/f7U+k5gcMTR 0IoclnwhIkpIZopYW4BhX2CcMW7vKQR6G5Ob4yCKpMBfHt9LxBRO8j5cukGQKRNci5i9 WdXuCCP26NWYB0bcVP2K0GJfCiVS3BALrLgjQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <68C67CE7-B84A-4C26-85FF-9EB5F7C5831F@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:50:20 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: stereo mic From: halim zainal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e648be781c4a0f0496655265 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 03:50:20 +0000 (UTC) --0016e648be781c4a0f0496655265 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's great to know someone else here likes mike patton stuffs. Sorry kinda OT but do checkout Patton and Kaada. --0016e648be781c4a0f0496655265 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's great to know someone else here likes mike patton stuffs. Sorry ki= nda OT but do checkout Patton and Kaada.
--0016e648be781c4a0f0496655265-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 04:57:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEBE83BE87; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 04:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MxDDkObxarm6v+N2slMOMsYuunbl7NLjuwiHxtGgNBw=; b=SwUZSShshoNoJmQinNUBregKHnJW81fejyOJBL4t2bBTf0roc2yLthYIL/IJQpYSCc VuysgioJ1i+3aP78VYjLJnLiwSk0R5FRJvOaCQJWAPMYebq1FklQ0Itf3kLykVmNWYVG 2KPzXjs/KuvI6TsO4p05ZTx2u4iOuNmFICJv8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Ptx/tZl0q4Ccl0EsIboBdZ53t5UwpLqOpvh432ToPUaxt+OwtQY21xwgZWZiLqy8hS yU/7YMedpVB/A1fq26ZN5H8h9evFIsAHSGDdScNC6xXycDMOosMbFAhut8HHF760y3ra 0ppUqhvduAE6nKwCVl0yEmDsmZMK8jMbzBXns= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1119086132.1178446.1291235422695.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> References: <1363774492.1175379.1291230751770.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> <1119086132.1178446.1291235422695.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 23:57:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tha Frippster in NYC From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd570683cd0d2049666415a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 04:57:12 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd570683cd0d2049666415a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i'm there. anybody know the venue's capacity? would i need to show up 4 hours early to get a seat? - jim On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:30 PM, EDWARD YUHAS wrote: > I'll be there for both shows on Saturday, and (workplace) time off-willing, > both shows on Friday, as well...otherwise, just Friday evening and Saturday. > > I was there for the Soundscapes performance back in 2000, and it was > amazing...the music and the architectural space of that glass atrium really > pair well. > > Edward in NJ > > > --000e0cd570683cd0d2049666415a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i'm there.=A0 anybody know the venue's capacity?=A0 would i need to= show up 4 hours early to get a seat?=A0

- jim

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:30 PM, EDWARD YUH= AS <ejyuhas@= embarqmail.com> wrote:
I'll be there= for both shows on Saturday, and (workplace) time off-willing, both shows o= n Friday, as well...otherwise, just Friday evening and Saturday.

I was there for the Soundscapes performance back in 2000, and it was amazin= g...the music and the architectural space of that glass atrium really pair = well.

Edward in NJ



--000e0cd570683cd0d2049666415a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 09:26:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84F183BE84; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 09:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=izqKXc+earMRx65R3tVRaK3QmMsO3C67k1+jXHpNXyY=; b=Y/2vykXKIhdGQWl+8dPusmpjanpesgbCRv+fJrHQle+DzyQ3ZSEw/8DGh7bzHkkuD3 wXjr0UYSsYsOYAJnje5Jj2kZFY/x65N4rZXg4dYD/QRMMbGccqWaCSqbmrF/8E+5HPfq iXr8dzfJ/zX4MF0R9jJM5CVaB2juvL/mKZgZo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=VnXSRR4YfyUDfHFOqwXiWE2jl0Rgk8yjRS0HtZZuZj9qn8heu8lcVKhJEwyNSaIhC+ rHjWhOM0KIxItz2yiP8+0VP074oDdIf6rAXPxOMfjQbiDRces9A4F158uN7izBQPpEhU Nyre71d/4y4OAhmLEvoCaoXICDuT8IJH16DoY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:26:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: "Malicious software" web site attack successfully concurred From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 09:26:28 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to thank those people who notified me that my homepage www.perboysen.com was tagged by Google as "malicious". 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Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 14:02:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5B4E3BE87; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uE6eX+xMVFurvJNqw+MfXjQrX2HvMO7OratIF+NarMY=; b=k9z9Qdo8+HJ9l6b+Gk769k3K5bn4bcIugXOOUKoM2D0lztyitJy8heyS9hfqHiKlqJ uBV8d5llDjVb4lJ8okeDPWbRCh4+lHzJl2WysJgbLQDQE/Na/ipoR8esZqb5DhYjyTVL f1VSA6bnMc9BEddnvzhMC9F3N4XBIL2UORwQo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=N/gD62SP4b5TENFAkVofM6grbPXLLc9RsdSCQoZH9NS/WIveg0xQw3j3sR0vtaIS/V Zu1GRnh8ghdG4zGragsCg2Y7cBVKvC0FSX/JY+HEjsKPQbhLyWI5pc/6BC3OGrIhaovC ZIR7CCgncAiLrOo+/FSgBCPzUlq4NScIq9Vak= Message-ID: <4CF7A6DF.7050309@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 09:02:07 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tha Frippster in NYC References: <1363774492.1175379.1291230751770.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> <1119086132.1178446.1291235422695.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1ID7eD.A.plE.qb69MB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:02:18 +0000 (UTC) It's a huge open space, more or less the atrium of a mall & office building, open to the public passing through. You may not be able to sit down if you come late, but I don't think it's possible for it to actually sell out. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > i'm there. anybody know the venue's capacity? would i need to show > up 4 hours early to get a seat? > > - jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 14:09:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B9063BE79; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=AB4ZNR+xqzGIY/7VYSNZNO6FyCnizsh7gD+kU29Isx3Ahm6iri0bvFOOmeiTsMvc; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1363774492.1175379.1291230751770.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> <1119086132.1178446.1291235422695.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 09:07:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Tha Frippster in NYC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-920823509==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b897154af38de38ddc14482e28ef7637350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:09:58 +0000 (UTC) --============_-920823509==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" He's performing at the World Financial Center's Winter Garden. It's a very very large atrium not so much a 'venue" more like an mall.... You'll be fine.! >i'm there. anybody know the venue's capacity? would i need to show >up 4 hours early to get a seat? > >- jim > >On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:30 PM, EDWARD YUHAS ><ejyuhas@embarqmail.com> wrote: > >I'll be there for both shows on Saturday, and (workplace) time >off-willing, both shows on Friday, as well...otherwise, just Friday >evening and Saturday. > >I was there for the Soundscapes performance back in 2000, and it was >amazing...the music and the architectural space of that glass atrium >really pair well. > >Edward in NJ -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-920823509==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Tha Frippster in NYC

He's performing at the World Financial Center's Winter Garden. It's a very very large atrium  not so much a 'venue" more like an mall.... You'll be fine.!


i'm there.  anybody know the venue's capacity?  would i need to show up 4 hours early to get a seat? 

- jim
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:30 PM, EDWARD YUHAS <ejyuhas@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I'll be there for both shows on Saturday, and (workplace) time off-willing, both shows on Friday, as well...otherwise, just Friday evening and Saturday.

I was there for the Soundscapes performance back in 2000, and it was amazing...the music and the architectural space of that glass atrium really pair well.

Edward in NJ


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http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-920823509==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 17:09:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63C133BE80; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bYsZlkSyQl2EbJ2zKjqw75FhaXX0Pya01yImch+l4iQ=; b=dLsNmNdND7OPJHWnuAJLnbDEqUdyMgwvSXUfvLpj8JL+/yKx5Xxa8zei3io5vWeebp fqTzaXWozKzidwoSe2N5cEqN/ddYohkf9yr2qRHwhoLbVC+doTCkworwGkNNlDs1NV92 8hvqvdnTjDT9WxZov8yhIupACoU90i45eF6WA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=amljwhKOPAIE3yKMxCpvfPXqdXMy0Bu79mnxBZ78q7pMlefmXnz+R9TVD+cv8OuRxp xAuxGCSZpQ6hI+sf/VsH/bpAh+H9Nek78cjJRGeAl0eth+YeN7oGnaqoPccf2tPBIJB6 DgTm+rvK9623E+7+STdxS+9fgoKS0LFs2bGjI= Message-ID: <4CF7D2AC.4060002@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 18:09:00 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: rather very OT: Patton (was: Re: stereo mic) References: <68C67CE7-B84A-4C26-85FF-9EB5F7C5831F@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:09:03 +0000 (UTC) halim zainal schrieb: > It's great to know someone else here likes mike patton stuffs. Sorry > kinda OT but do checkout Patton and Kaada. Thanks for that recommendation. I had the pleasure to catch Patton three times in 2006: with Peeping Tom, and twice with Fantomas (first with Dave Lombardo, and after his return to Slayer, with Terry Bozzio (not unbeknownst to loop people for his work with David Torn on "Polytown") -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 20:16:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D10FB3BE8F; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 20:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4CF7FEAA.5070908@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 15:16:42 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4higbB.A.2HE.u6_9MB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 20:16:46 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "EMS VCS3 Experiment 1" which is a self-released title. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#dec Chuck Van Zyl will play a live set on the show as a preview of his appearance at the Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, December 5, 8:00 pm at the Nazareth Center for the Arts. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 21:22:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9A5D3BE8E; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 21:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 21:22:16 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4003894f-c373-4351-a2b1-a2248c41915c_" X-Originating-IP: [151.21.161.12] From: andrea trabucco To: Subject: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 22:17:15 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2010 21:17:15.0946 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B6598A0:01CB9266] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 21:22:16 +0000 (UTC) --_4003894f-c373-4351-a2b1-a2248c41915c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys! Abandoned the choice to live-looping several percussion instruments=2C I've= come to the decision to use some prerecorded stuff via a Mac computer and = also do some live-looping with and e-drum pad. Questions: which the most intuitive and good software for Mac to do this I was thinking of a Roland SPD 30=2C but maybe using the Mac there's some o= ther way (less expensive) such us buying only a controller and take the sou= nd from the computer by the way I plan to use in conjuction with this also the Rc50=2C but since= =2C as you can understand=2C I've no clue on how to do all that (being new = to Mac and computer music usage) there's no more need... Thank to all that want me to suggest something to help me get the point: I = want to able to start prerecorded tracks in a multitrack fashion and to loo= p live on the with e-drums (with many different sounds as in the SPD 30) an= d also as always play and record guitar besides that any advice also on a good audio interface based on the software suggested= =2C having decided for the Macbook pro and planning to record myself the tr= ack=2C some percussion and vocals via mic and some guitar=20 Thanks a lot=2C Andrea = --_4003894f-c373-4351-a2b1-a2248c41915c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys!

Abandoned the choice to live-looping several percussion ins= truments=2C I've come to the decision to use some prerecorded stuff via a M= ac computer and also do some live-looping with and e-drum pad.

Quest= ions:

which the most intuitive and good software for Mac to do this<= br>
I was thinking of a Roland SPD 30=2C but maybe using the Mac there's= some other way (less expensive) such us buying only a controller and take = the sound from the computer

by the way I plan to use in conjuction w= ith this also the Rc50=2C but since=2C as you can understand=2C I've no clu= e on how to do all that (being new to Mac and computer music usage) there's= no more need...

Thank to all that want me to suggest something to h= elp me get the point: I want to able to start prerecorded tracks in a multi= track fashion and to loop live on the with e-drums (with many different sou= nds as in the SPD 30) and also as always play and record guitar besides tha= t

any advice also on a good audio interface based on the software su= ggested=2C having decided for the Macbook pro and planning to record myself= the track=2C some percussion and vocals via mic and some guitar

Th= anks a lot=2C

Andrea
= --_4003894f-c373-4351-a2b1-a2248c41915c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 21:46:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 190603BE90; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 21:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=trRt509dnD0UDViOuLw/imkPMbFQLSzIItVzvP4TwE0=; b=eNuuLxvnvwcVvbGPFIilkjRrMPfStfB329NudANRhdliDZRAOpohxkUcDZOGSX9zEF 5YKyDGTx5SfHwJ342cRmc+EVW9bOmr3wiFehWCAdgAMYEogSLlMlii5yoy71d0D7UfJK HN+ZCY2QNMGZqvDOubPUmDmmYa6Ed69WFg2qs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=ElPw7DzarQyhl3uNnZukYrk0tJWaDtpP03cy+gGT3lelCi+Bdo31EecU0VfCABEpOd XSGjau/0fm40uUvj7r0R46xTFK7jy8EmzL5G3FS5rmOb3BYM1xvkXR0ysBlQrqjohoIj Z3xDrt56AuOcxoFB8XZrSzhmfROdrbs0C8ETI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 16:46:37 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: qAIU5j-2b5ItFTbhJHnImQm_CaI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dab45c353dc00496745ba1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 21:46:40 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dab45c353dc00496745ba1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you want to get beyond static drum tracks, my recommendation would be RMX. There are certainly things about it that don't work the way I wish they would, but it does come with a huge sample library and, most importantly to me, it provides for randomization of a number of parameters. Aside from that, I have had good success using Live to play drum patterns also - the midi output of the patterns can be put through velocity randomizers, etc., and you can also easily set up progressions from one pattern to another. I usually put kick/snare patterns in one track and hihat (or parts that function like a hihat part) into another track and let them vary independently, for quite a lot of variety. I might point out that the way I use these is to have the loop be the master and the drum parts slave to the tempo implied by the loop, rather than by starting the drum track first (you can hear some of these tracks on my home page, warrensirota.com). However, this is pretty complicated to manage, and is in no way necessary to using these products to create drum tracks. Hope this helps, Warren On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:17 PM, andrea trabucco wrote: > Hi guys! > > Abandoned the choice to live-looping several percussion instruments, I've > come to the decision to use some prerecorded stuff via a Mac computer and > also do some live-looping with and e-drum pad. > > Questions: > > which the most intuitive and good software for Mac to do this > > I was thinking of a Roland SPD 30, but maybe using the Mac there's some > other way (less expensive) such us buying only a controller and take the > sound from the computer > > by the way I plan to use in conjuction with this also the Rc50, but since, > as you can understand, I've no clue on how to do all that (being new to Mac > and computer music usage) there's no more need... > > Thank to all that want me to suggest something to help me get the point: I > want to able to start prerecorded tracks in a multitrack fashion and to loop > live on the with e-drums (with many different sounds as in the SPD 30) and > also as always play and record guitar besides that > > any advice also on a good audio interface based on the software suggested, > having decided for the Macbook pro and planning to record myself the track, > some percussion and vocals via mic and some guitar > > Thanks a lot, > > Andrea > -- Warren http://www.warrensirota.com Latest CD: Loops, Live & Otw http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota --0016e6dab45c353dc00496745ba1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you want to get beyond static drum tracks, my recommendation would be RM= X. There are certainly things about it that don't work the way I wish t= hey would, but it does come with a huge sample library and, most importantl= y to me, it provides for randomization of a number of parameters.

Aside from that, I have had good success using Live to play = drum patterns also - the midi output of the patterns can be put through vel= ocity randomizers, etc., and you can also easily set up progressions from o= ne pattern to another. I usually put kick/snare patterns in one track and h= ihat (or parts that function like a hihat part) into another track and let = them vary independently, for quite a lot of variety.

I might point out that the way I use these is to have t= he loop be the master and the drum parts slave to the tempo implied by the = loop, rather than by starting the drum track first (you can hear some of th= ese tracks on my home page, warrensirot= a.com). However, this is pretty complicated to manage, and is in no way= necessary to using these products to create drum tracks.

Hope this helps,
Warren

<= div>

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:17 PM, andr= ea trabucco <andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys!

Abandoned the choice to live-looping several percussion ins= truments, I've come to the decision to use some prerecorded stuff via a= Mac computer and also do some live-looping with and e-drum pad.

Questions:

which the most intuitive and good software for Mac to do = this

I was thinking of a Roland SPD 30, but maybe using the Mac ther= e's some other way (less expensive) such us buying only a controller an= d take the sound from the computer

by the way I plan to use in conjuction with this also the Rc50, but sin= ce, as you can understand, I've no clue on how to do all that (being ne= w to Mac and computer music usage) there's no more need...

Thank= to all that want me to suggest something to help me get the point: I want = to able to start prerecorded tracks in a multitrack fashion and to loop liv= e on the with e-drums (with many different sounds as in the SPD 30) and als= o as always play and record guitar besides that

any advice also on a good audio interface based on the software suggest= ed, having decided for the Macbook pro and planning to record myself the tr= ack, some percussion and vocals via mic and some guitar

Thanks a lo= t,

Andrea



--
Warren
http://www.warrensirota.com
Latest CD: Loops, Live & Otw
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota=
--0016e6dab45c353dc00496745ba1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 21:50:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2A563BE98; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 21:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VwHgSD1TQZxBqpnaG8+kHkstxRPLDz8+hR7cjSg/GWg=; b=JqrNgD31ssYCCIhG9Tp8zxeiLjujKM11qDiAK+Ua8SQtwCcV/q+tMPI1ssdvmiPuQz Leaz2nBh6wqxptWVaGMFg0vbCSyktJ83yCDvDyjjxIxu4Fxvx0+psw7YPv5g4CptqUY3 Tz5/JKS2lR7Hhs4C+GRMCKG9nHyLixyGN4X/0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tTYd6zKNuLnXKwZODvSY8xRp+jIFfdJ6KuYmg1hO3yvtZIX1VaOdRzHHovu9nGnrfj bwlKL99Qi3+IYpOw1sQfLIPHl+k84G5xxu5znlFNZAGCkR9KU/7YjQdYvZJHXvTkBscn C870IC+LUx++kcFmaAA0kdsA5mPLuNO03ad5I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 13:50:06 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 21:50:07 +0000 (UTC) There are also the WaveDrum and Roland Handsonic as options. WD-no midi but a fantastic instrument in its own right. Handsonic, not nearly as flexible in terms of sound creation, but midi and several trigger zones. Kevin On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Warren Sirota wrote= : > If you want to get beyond static drum tracks, my recommendation would be > RMX. There are certainly things about it that don't work the way I wish t= hey > would, but it does come with a huge sample library and, most importantly = to > me, it provides for randomization of a number of parameters. > Aside from that, I have had good success using Live to play drum patterns > also - the midi output of the patterns can be put through velocity > randomizers, etc., and you can also easily set up progressions from one > pattern to another. I usually put kick/snare patterns in one track and hi= hat > (or parts that function like a hihat part) into another track and let the= m > vary independently, for quite a lot of variety. > I might point out that the way I use these is to have the loop be the mas= ter > and the drum parts slave to the tempo implied by the loop, rather than by > starting the drum track first (you can hear some of these tracks on my ho= me > page, warrensirota.com). However, this is pretty complicated to manage, a= nd > is in no way necessary to using these products to create drum tracks. > Hope this helps, > Warren > > > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:17 PM, andrea trabucco > wrote: >> >> Hi guys! >> >> Abandoned the choice to live-looping several percussion instruments, I'v= e >> come to the decision to use some prerecorded stuff via a Mac computer an= d >> also do some live-looping with and e-drum pad. >> >> Questions: >> >> which the most intuitive and good software for Mac to do this >> >> I was thinking of a Roland SPD 30, but maybe using the Mac there's some >> other way (less expensive) such us buying only a controller and take the >> sound from the computer >> >> by the way I plan to use in conjuction with this also the Rc50, but sinc= e, >> as you can understand, I've no clue on how to do all that (being new to = Mac >> and computer music usage) there's no more need... >> >> Thank to all that want me to suggest something to help me get the point:= I >> want to able to start prerecorded tracks in a multitrack fashion and to = loop >> live on the with e-drums (with many different sounds as in the SPD 30) a= nd >> also as always play and record guitar besides that >> >> any advice also on a good audio interface based on the software suggeste= d, >> having decided for the Macbook pro and planning to record myself the tra= ck, >> some percussion and vocals via mic and some guitar >> >> Thanks a lot, >> >> Andrea > > > > -- > Warren > http://www.warrensirota.com > Latest CD: Loops, Live & Otw > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 22:06:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 437CB3BE94; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 22:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1291327563; bh=wDqzcpwvHZCksHWRpx/FRfmDIff92Xp8OBOzNkk7B7o=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GGSsKFs73HjqqMY2xLgsZrqX7dFNCh/PXX/K1RSzng8Y/mdY/gzPX7LNicqONXsAg86VKuV28vW9MirQK97cZR6lln55M/SMSJF6312O0vVWKdPHuoF7XQKhKBI3uGvvNL37FusV17i+ZIc90685PjRgYnf8xJnoawfKgT5DWQs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KuGsJWspSUY15m0HELwM6mkoEtfuAb4zjZ4n4PYZXvLsAu1yuqZel28VmIokzuLTp3ZCcozc981yWj+L6HmVKIydO46fxbolX728um46rW8fl42LL5o2X7St7JoGKidwPfJbdMoGkBco952ZM4XjS5+Hgxl14IId9IcvF7uJkkE=; Message-ID: <620146.39608.qm@web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DtMJToMVM1lRKlpT41AryDuLBDCLKxUHniuJip3i31AIoDJ wtxCR0rXVu__31KuVOmSa4lT6qMh1Y41jB6n5dVR30ERjDbaEfeicWYPvz5G RW2T07TCc3Us_yDuic80tvC86f3wxRcxZjhEWapFwOa7qkpZ7Bkp.ZUEbXGC ze2VmYPP134owWEeBd8tOJQpVbFVgGk.KXEEU0PNKgNT7966P4ylbicY2emH gFILa.AhzI8OAbalcf5PxfTb12Cp15iHLdZlKk2NHXpFUCpKy.lMiov9Mgg_ Wh24t3QTaP43kNKUhLddlRQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:06:03 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: OT DM1000 mLAN To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2076974192-1291327563=:39608" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 22:06:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-2076974192-1291327563=:39608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii any idea where I might find tech support for Yamaha DM1000, specifically mLAN? Nothing found with google... ________________________________ From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 10:50:06 PM Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping There are also the WaveDrum and Roland Handsonic as options. WD-no midi but a fantastic instrument in its own right. Handsonic, not nearly as flexible in terms of sound creation, but midi and several trigger zones. Kevin On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > If you want to get beyond static drum tracks, my recommendation would be > RMX. There are certainly things about it that don't work the way I wish they > would, but it does come with a huge sample library and, most importantly to > me, it provides for randomization of a number of parameters. > Aside from that, I have had good success using Live to play drum patterns > also - the midi output of the patterns can be put through velocity > randomizers, etc., and you can also easily set up progressions from one > pattern to another. I usually put kick/snare patterns in one track and hihat > (or parts that function like a hihat part) into another track and let them > vary independently, for quite a lot of variety. > I might point out that the way I use these is to have the loop be the master > and the drum parts slave to the tempo implied by the loop, rather than by > starting the drum track first (you can hear some of these tracks on my home > page, warrensirota.com). However, this is pretty complicated to manage, and > is in no way necessary to using these products to create drum tracks. > Hope this helps, > Warren > > > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:17 PM, andrea trabucco > wrote: >> >> Hi guys! >> >> Abandoned the choice to live-looping several percussion instruments, I've >> come to the decision to use some prerecorded stuff via a Mac computer and >> also do some live-looping with and e-drum pad. >> >> Questions: >> >> which the most intuitive and good software for Mac to do this >> >> I was thinking of a Roland SPD 30, but maybe using the Mac there's some >> other way (less expensive) such us buying only a controller and take the >> sound from the computer >> >> by the way I plan to use in conjuction with this also the Rc50, but since, >> as you can understand, I've no clue on how to do all that (being new to Mac >> and computer music usage) there's no more need... >> >> Thank to all that want me to suggest something to help me get the point: I >> want to able to start prerecorded tracks in a multitrack fashion and to loop >> live on the with e-drums (with many different sounds as in the SPD 30) and >> also as always play and record guitar besides that >> >> any advice also on a good audio interface based on the software suggested, >> having decided for the Macbook pro and planning to record myself the track, >> some percussion and vocals via mic and some guitar >> >> Thanks a lot, >> >> Andrea > > > > -- > Warren > http://www.warrensirota.com > Latest CD: Loops, Live & Otw > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos --0-2076974192-1291327563=:39608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
any idea where I might find tech support for Yamaha DM1000, specifically mLAN? Nothing found with google...

From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 10:50:06 PM
Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping

There are also the WaveDrum and Roland Handsonic as options.

WD-no midi but a fantastic instrument in its own right.

Handsonic, not nearly as flexible in terms of sound creation, but midi
and several trigger zones.

Kevin

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
> If you want to get beyond static drum tracks, my recommendation would be
> RMX. There are certainly things about it that don't work the way I wish they
> would, but it does come with a huge sample library and, most importantly to
> me, it provides for randomization of a number of parameters.
> Aside from that, I have had good success using Live to play drum patterns
> also - the midi output of the patterns can be put through velocity
> randomizers, etc., and you can also easily set up progressions from one
> pattern to another. I usually put kick/snare patterns in one track and hihat
> (or parts that function like a hihat part) into another track and let them
> vary independently, for quite a lot of variety.
> I might point out that the way I use these is to have the loop be the master
> and the drum parts slave to the tempo implied by the loop, rather than by
> starting the drum track first (you can hear some of these tracks on my home
> page, warrensirota.com). However, this is pretty complicated to manage, and
> is in no way necessary to using these products to create drum tracks.
> Hope this helps,
> Warren
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:17 PM, andrea trabucco
> <andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys!
>>
>> Abandoned the choice to live-looping several percussion instruments, I've
>> come to the decision to use some prerecorded stuff via a Mac computer and
>> also do some live-looping with and e-drum pad.
>>
>> Questions:
>>
>> which the most intuitive and good software for Mac to do this
>>
>> I was thinking of a Roland SPD 30, but maybe using the Mac there's some
>> other way (less expensive) such us buying only a controller and take the
>> sound from the computer
>>
>> by the way I plan to use in conjuction with this also the Rc50, but since,
>> as you can understand, I've no clue on how to do all that (being new to Mac
>> and computer music usage) there's no more need...
>>
>> Thank to all that want me to suggest something to help me get the point: I
>> want to able to start prerecorded tracks in a multitrack fashion and to loop
>> live on the with e-drums (with many different sounds as in the SPD 30) and
>> also as always play and record guitar besides that
>>
>> any advice also on a good audio interface based on the software suggested,
>> having decided for the Macbook pro and planning to record myself the track,
>> some percussion and vocals via mic and some guitar
>>
>> Thanks a lot,
>>
>> Andrea
>
>
>
> --
> Warren
> http://www.warrensirota.com
> Latest CD: Loops, Live & Otw
> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota
>



--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos


--0-2076974192-1291327563=:39608-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 22:15:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56A6A3BE91; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 22:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8Ix8Vd0bbaLtL1UI5tiUgpmY+ZbRMvGwayfhYqbIaoo=; b=sh336Qxnxkfv5a0Y0xVsSiVI2m9pKtDoxKBBKYDzNRqVmlku1M0fXpye6gZ3F4QtHK ZJ9LZRPEoz59CiTpOcTKblHjdp4NXV2sS02FADMFSJlIWJlDtnNZM0hzmE0LbNrKt+HS PQJOydqOE1vFRGm3uaQA18YUWVayoxSmWZ9yQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LafgmAyF9x4PdDdzqtmPxB0MqNrCfPWYubW/UysRZ2MPqCl8Bdu5MFAmjd0D4RcKM2 FWrpCylswpDJ8xZX3dg6+uZKDmjyk7aokT0IqO9udSWWZQ3iQwWVVmMCiZIY35r+zqmq b3/5IuMdepBD//Wmpr8BMz4pF+QoFl+WWuPh4= Message-ID: <4CF81A8F.7010207@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:15:43 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton References: <68C67CE7-B84A-4C26-85FF-9EB5F7C5831F@gmail.com> <4CF7D2AC.4060002@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4CF7D2AC.4060002@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 22:15:54 +0000 (UTC) The most direct Patton connection to looping would be his one or two recordings with Naked City, which of course featured loopy Bill Frisell. (This connection is responsible, too, for a bit of fun of the seven degrees of Kevin Bacon variety. One can connect Slayer to Miles Davis in six steps; Miles recorded with Bill Evans, who recorded with Paul Motian, who recorded with Frisell, who recorded with Patton, who recorded with Dave Lombardo, who recorded w/Slayer). whee, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > halim zainal schrieb: >> It's great to know someone else here likes mike patton stuffs. Sorry >> kinda OT but do checkout Patton and Kaada. > Thanks for that recommendation. I had the pleasure to catch Patton > three times in 2006: with Peeping Tom, and twice with Fantomas (first > with Dave Lombardo, and after his return to Slayer, with Terry Bozzio > (not unbeknownst to loop people for his work with David Torn on > "Polytown") > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 22:38:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E7053BE90; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 22:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eEzyDjzTR+41P6nLU0q8vt5xbj6r2XMhWBOvf/HVn8U=; b=BoXtQot/IOE2cg5PpTOQgQALBUGC1UBUB7NOkquSh3c1oSOsml6HMwb9qE9MUjf4r1 YoCYKddF9w4XS2JrL+g7U7YqUp6jjlBVv4KglBmGTP0GX30i9LL7yILr0Rrla5EmWzmV hC6l0mKME02WvZV7Gii43oRt73LqIswiN8ZBo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Kw9VS6jVS2NNlxcMf6InH12LdymGft0nWJht5vxlttJZnvEeK9Jqu16/zxGExXifze o32BKEAdCpGXtMWsU386m68gJHYfvmI3Fk4LGx5Y9joyrfRmhM8AMf6kSfl+TDldVHw+ tktnJ92PFg0IE2TtxSjZ4yyJA8d+D9XaWRNPs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4CF81A8F.7010207@gmail.com> References: <68C67CE7-B84A-4C26-85FF-9EB5F7C5831F@gmail.com> <4CF7D2AC.4060002@googlemail.com> <4CF81A8F.7010207@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 23:38:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016361e801a19d6cb0496751527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 22:38:36 +0000 (UTC) --0016361e801a19d6cb0496751527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i recommend last zorn's ipsissimus, with craziest patton ever, on vocals, along with ribot, joey baron and zorn himself on sax. 2010/12/2 Daryl Shawn > The most direct Patton connection to looping would be his one or two > recordings with Naked City, which of course featured loopy Bill Frisell. > > (This connection is responsible, too, for a bit of fun of the seven degre= es > of Kevin Bacon variety. One can connect Slayer to Miles Davis in six step= s; > Miles recorded with Bill Evans, who recorded with Paul Motian, who record= ed > with Frisell, who recorded with Patton, who recorded with Dave Lombardo, = who > recorded w/Slayer). > > whee, > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > halim zainal schrieb: >> >>> It's great to know someone else here likes mike patton stuffs. Sorry >>> kinda OT but do checkout Patton and Kaada. >>> >> Thanks for that recommendation. I had the pleasure to catch Patton three >> times in 2006: with Peeping Tom, and twice with Fantomas (first with Dav= e >> Lombardo, and after his return to Slayer, with Terry Bozzio (not unbekno= wnst >> to loop people for his work with David Torn on "Polytown") >> >> > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminad= a, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta q= ue ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!, no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com --0016361e801a19d6cb0496751527 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i recommend last zorn's ipsissimus, with craziest patton ever, on vocal= s, along with ribot, joey baron and zorn himself on sax.
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2010/12/2 Daryl Shawn <darylshawn@gmail.com>
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(This connection is responsible, too, for a bit of fun of the seven degrees= of Kevin Bacon variety. One can connect Slayer to Miles Davis in six steps= ; Miles recorded with Bill Evans, who recorded with Paul Motian, who record= ed with Frisell, who recorded with Patton, who recorded with Dave Lombardo,= who recorded w/Slayer).

whee,

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com<= /a>


halim zainal schrieb:
It's great to know someone else here likes mike patton stuffs. Sorry ki= nda OT but do checkout Patton and Kaada.
Thanks for that recommendation. I had the pleasure to catch Patton three ti= mes in 2006: with Peeping Tom, and twice with Fantomas (first with Dave Lom= bardo, and after his return to Slayer, with Terry Bozzio (not unbeknownst t= o loop people for his work with David Torn on "Polytown")





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--0016361e801a19d6cb0496751527-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 2 23:42:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F02A03BE87; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 23:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4CF82ED0.3050103@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 15:42:08 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andrea trabucco CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 23:42:19 +0000 (UTC) andrea trabucco wrote: > > Abandoned the choice to live-looping several percussion instruments, > I've come to the decision to use some prerecorded stuff via a Mac > computer and also do some live-looping with and e-drum pad. Dear Andrea, Maybe it's just because I'm a drummer/percussionist originally as a musician, but having seen literally hundreds of live looping performances at the Y2K festival and in 15 different countries I have to say that people who use real sounds as percussion elements (be it recontextualizing their instruments like guitarist, bassists or vocalists making drumset sounding grooves by banging on their axes (or beatboxing) feel much more organic, visceral and funky to my ears than people who use prerecorded loops or even interactive drum machine sequencing programs like RMX (which I agree is probably one of the best). It seems to me too, that audiences react more viscerally to people who do their own percussion even when it is very, very simple (and sometimes specifically because it is very, very simple). For one thing, we are inundated in this electronic age with canned drum tracks. It's so much more fun to see someone be creative even when it is very simplistic to create a rhythmic track to play over (and on top of that, you can use techniques like double time/half time and reverse to create sounds that are 'hyper' real. Just my two cents, but I'm curious why you choose to eschew live percussion in your looping. Some of my favorite drummers are actually not drummers. I love, for example, how Gary Regina creatively uses percussion in his multi-instrumental live looping tracks. Is it just a matter of being able to mic such things well or is it the bother of learning how to play some things or even just lugging more gear around? I'm curious. respectfully, rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 08:43:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7547F3BE84; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 08:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2sbu/21lOAmnlAy1oi8b1F5Sv0YkzztlifGcp18Oysg=; b=ZyDtEeiVchQxpOOHOYMBFvIA3jeo9zO/NCzwaRei6J+Y6pysVPAQ9PKBegzCbVGwdL MlOv0FMKV9+EjeSFI1cEFbJTtb9D7zRsS4NNu4pXN5DkvH9VMqkeHMr1qVqiUBKu2oLT sEcdv337/k7Vh0SEjbgwna3kmrBB8GDn+HMZM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AbDgcfeDySEqL+19nUaqBqjG6rzqJmCPfn7qU8V3RDm9PGosZtzbCccst0OgoHTaVL 9fdVhjNmTTWdWpfpl3oOLvxK+RBvlYO4YKgXtUOYPuXGvp/e7wPlnP+7EqmPLPMP/iMl XOmD2GKQ84yHRXxfdvbFfRdhphOwWBl+fMprU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <68C67CE7-B84A-4C26-85FF-9EB5F7C5831F@gmail.com> <4CF7D2AC.4060002@googlemail.com> <4CF81A8F.7010207@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 00:43:18 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton From: halim zainal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175ce1bcb4665a04967d87de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 08:43:19 +0000 (UTC) --0015175ce1bcb4665a04967d87de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i love Fantomas and peeping tom so much. And i also enjoy Mike Pattons' Mondo Cane and Onibaba. And wow Naked City and Ipsissimus is out of this world thanx guys. > The most direct Patton connection to looping would be his one or two >> recordings with Naked City, which of course featured loopy Bill Frisell. >> >> (This connection is responsible, too, for a bit of fun of the seven >> degrees of Kevin Bacon variety. One can connect Slayer to Miles Davis in= six >> steps; Miles recorded with Bill Evans, who recorded with Paul Motian, wh= o >> recorded with Frisell, who recorded with Patton, who recorded with Dave >> Lombardo, who recorded w/Slayer). >> >> whee, >> >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com >> >> >> halim zainal schrieb: >>> >>>> It's great to know someone else here likes mike patton stuffs. Sorry >>>> kinda OT but do checkout Patton and Kaada. >>>> >>> Thanks for that recommendation. I had the pleasure to catch Patton thre= e >>> times in 2006: with Peeping Tom, and twice with Fantomas (first with Da= ve >>> Lombardo, and after his return to Slayer, with Terry Bozzio (not unbekn= ownst >>> to loop people for his work with David Torn on "Polytown") >>> >>> >> > > > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.lumin= ada, > exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta= que > ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!, no podien posar-li u= na > agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " > > http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com > > --0015175ce1bcb4665a04967d87de Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i love Fantomas and peepi= ng tom so much. And i also enjoy Mike Pattons'=20 Mondo Cane and Onibaba. And wow Naked City and Ipsissimus is out of this world thanx guys.
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The most direct Patton connection to looping would be his one or two record= ings with Naked City, which of course featured loopy Bill Frisell.

(This connection is responsible, too, for a bit of fun of the seven degrees= of Kevin Bacon variety. One can connect Slayer to Miles Davis in six steps= ; Miles recorded with Bill Evans, who recorded with Paul Motian, who record= ed with Frisell, who recorded with Patton, who recorded with Dave Lombardo,= who recorded w/Slayer).

whee,

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com<= /a>


halim zainal schrieb:
It's great to know someone else here likes mike patton stuffs. Sorry ki= nda OT but do checkout Patton and Kaada.
Thanks for that recommendation. I had the pleasure to catch Patton three ti= mes in 2006: with Peeping Tom, and twice with Fantomas (first with Dave Lom= bardo, and after his return to Slayer, with Terry Bozzio (not unbeknownst t= o loop people for his work with David Torn on "Polytown")





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I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella do= na que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he = pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s= =F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!, no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara,= o alguna cosa aix=ED? "

http://raulb= onell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com


--0015175ce1bcb4665a04967d87de-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 08:47:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F61C3BE84; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 08:47:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=txATg5uiRbkuB43Zp1YpOOpRVCAkHLbNSgIqIr6Ft5Q=; b=mU0RJP2xOGA3LYRiPHFpzphtaoHr6EfGa4/GXRfXK6hJS+RLEaWcbCX+6X2ZIf2hP3 /Ns8dbssNYKnfpZAcydOtavIiwl7ji+fpwsWSpDZLouLKAFiXmUxwzFepMaLE2hIxcc5 pR6KqhcOs9qEmWu/g6dT4oogb6JhsKyYFrW2I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=YyaXeyTbIeLmS/hs+P3VjXtDQHLNL9e7c+zbM+j97iQkxT7NDkM0lfNQyGezayrhp2 4i5XkIjp4ByYGQhHlPtmKAGAy0xvLru64NgAc6bGewH05TpnpLNvllIACSwkuDQ9D2rP D6VANiXrSOoBBG+aGRuM2vBUDPTj4QqQ5KS/A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4CF7D2AC.4060002@googlemail.com> References: <68C67CE7-B84A-4C26-85FF-9EB5F7C5831F@gmail.com> <4CF7D2AC.4060002@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 00:47:28 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton (was: Re: stereo mic) From: halim zainal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e644d67c94f95f04967d96ea Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 08:47:30 +0000 (UTC) --0016e644d67c94f95f04967d96ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm jealous. You got the opportunity to watch patton live. One of these days. Thanx for Polytown..phenomenal as usual. On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > halim zainal schrieb: > >> It's great to know someone else here likes mike patton stuffs. Sorry kinda >> OT but do checkout Patton and Kaada. >> > Thanks for that recommendation. I had the pleasure to catch Patton three > times in 2006: with Peeping Tom, and twice with Fantomas (first with Dave > Lombardo, and after his return to Slayer, with Terry Bozzio (not unbeknownst > to loop people for his work with David Torn on "Polytown") > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > --0016e644d67c94f95f04967d96ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm jealous. You got the opportunity to watch patton live. One of these= days. Thanx for Polytown..phenomenal as usual.

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Rainer Straschill = <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
halim zainal schr= ieb:
It's great to know someone else here likes mike patton stuffs. Sorry ki= nda OT but do checkout Patton and Kaada.
Thanks for that recommendation. I had the pleasure to catch Patton three ti= mes in 2006: with Peeping Tom, and twice with Fantomas (first with Dave Lom= bardo, and after his return to Slayer, with Terry Bozzio (not unbeknownst t= o loop people for his work with David Torn on "Polytown")

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Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs


--0016e644d67c94f95f04967d96ea-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 11:22:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 655893BE70; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1291375376; bh=Ba3mwKGb2KNnzkpoYdInr7hQsU/ZzENN0PwaZM9B8aI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wlc4Z+AdcSq7P+cBFzI84YBfatcCZFiAuaFK8rWBhD5L2m3hLjxUVwOjdH3Qec9DiBEqQsNz4BNo6G40hJvxkKkkdNa9cVYlc8FxA2BRfo1omtyOuuiBMTXrk3BMfhuviA+KsAE4A7itGVCO/RdzYhwKszomQ7ReKOH7q+90KKk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sck9MfG3PdOheMGeSuZ4LkG4gHL67OBFiufA+4T7v9UykYEmsfJ7WwLx8V1Psq2mfnQfb3p8x63AvYTE/mjD8YBkP8StWQpfb6T6wfGvh+U8GPn29M4pcXHRCOxg1gaRO0tLC2LFfEuJV86Z0DdclmoySXiIjOoGtRnhsJhNtxw=; Message-ID: <31199.4386.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FewKSkMVM1kuOYg.ES..xb.gVfbc_K0Z9A8ngdH82PNVuVZ zeWv5yl7fPqJ5rFTkll0pGScHadA1eS7vwAlWOK_BpFGn3OioLw0sW8obBOu KW3edqRi1Do7lf2YmfhMw56.1NDsqV32FSMJwtXNdE7aEaiB.bQk8lGLmSu7 O4nFfwvuEkDlw2YgJxaNnE90bsyCZ3itruA1b.Ciwlz7XJ9ojhJ16I7jwkRX Ct6B.LTprpnS_5m7pJsOl7HGoVRY.QTIW41g27r5viuWjv88G4xMgkNGFVXJ 31jpXOrcFti8xzRGlWbYHyz98131_NLVOLohJtS65A2T.RZTfV8gugOU5a_L ubUfbc28D7Clex00egJdavhSg4vm2n0_x X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 03:22:55 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4CF81A8F.7010207@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-738327243-1291375375=:4386" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:22:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-738327243-1291375375=:4386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can shorten that who-recorded-with-who chain by one step:=A0 Miles Davis = -> Dave Holland or Elvin Jones -> Bill Frisell -> Mike Patton -> Dave Lomba= rdo -> Slayer ted. Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog --- On Thu, 12/2/10, Daryl Shawn wrote: From: Daryl Shawn Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Received: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 2:15 PM The most direct Patton connection to looping would be his one or two record= ings with Naked City, which of course featured loopy Bill Frisell. (This connection is responsible, too, for a bit of fun of the seven degrees= of Kevin Bacon variety. One can connect Slayer to Miles Davis in six steps= ; Miles recorded with Bill Evans, who recorded with Paul Motian, who record= ed with Frisell, who recorded with Patton, who recorded with Dave Lombardo,= who recorded w/Slayer). whee, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com =0A=0A --0-738327243-1291375375=:4386 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I can shorten that who-recorded-with-who = chain by one step:  Miles Davis -> Dave Holland or Elvin Jones ->= ; Bill Frisell -> Mike Patton -> Dave Lombardo -> Slayer

ted.

Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog

--= - On Thu, 12/2/10, Daryl Shawn <darylshawn@gmail.com> w= rote:

From: Daryl Shawn <darylshawn@gmai= l.com>
Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton
To: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com
Received: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 2:15 PM

The most direct Patton connection to looping would b= e his one or two recordings with Naked City, which of course featured loopy= Bill Frisell.

(This connection is responsible, too, for a bit of fu= n of the seven degrees of Kevin Bacon variety. One can connect Slayer to Miles = Davis in six steps; Miles recorded with Bill Evans, who recorded with Paul = Motian, who recorded with Frisell, who recorded with Patton, who recorded w= ith Dave Lombardo, who recorded w/Slayer).

whee,

Daryl Shawn<= br>www.swanwelder.com


--0-738327243-1291375375=:4386-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 13:36:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62A623BE81; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 13:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Zpj7dOQyRBR0y/hqkQm0HFLrZadcPAVhzyxeUicKWNk=; b=bdFOELZn86k1p7rK0bHIWeHm4VY2yF/f7DaZpffdlEQz9Q6qpVZvZtA0SYH/4y4gPl 5kKTbKjDrGt3n/739uWaqTBJdvh0c8c5CnmQ8wloGygh1nqz9ieXtJCfkX/K4I8BLAsU 7Xe4b2H5Q8vQC1OcJhglpuG8ic5f/bXNB3nJQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CpzD3An/7/CLI6iUPzzTWXQeA+vnkfhXzXgbz/CqXMHPNL9FIAWDC7p9PASuGLHHQA yo+mAC32BBE6ZLAE43vYSWSfhFDhAXhikuZTfNevw7iSXSzVHyk0SfFH8/KUsYZsfN24 /a1WH0uFkvhQxxX+Z6+rtbhdqaGBe5jm2byx0= Message-ID: <4CF8F23A.2080409@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:35:54 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton References: <31199.4386.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <31199.4386.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 13:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Oh, of course! Bitches Brew, w/Holland. What did Miles record with Elvin? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > > I can shorten that who-recorded-with-who chain by one step: Miles > Davis -> Dave Holland or Elvin Jones -> Bill Frisell -> Mike Patton -> > Dave Lombardo -> Slayer > > > ted. > > Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog > > --- On *Thu, 12/2/10, Daryl Shawn //* wrote: > > > From: Daryl Shawn > Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Received: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 2:15 PM > > The most direct Patton connection to looping would be his one or > two recordings with Naked City, which of course featured loopy > Bill Frisell. > > (This connection is responsible, too, for a bit of fun of the > seven degrees of Kevin Bacon variety. One can connect Slayer to > Miles Davis in six steps; Miles recorded with Bill Evans, who > recorded with Paul Motian, who recorded with Frisell, who recorded > with Patton, who recorded with Dave Lombardo, who recorded w/Slayer). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 16:04:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F3BA3BE81; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 16:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JGyl7aFb4au6Vgd+fp/vnSYq/2I6qwEJAqUBl2I+NuA=; b=roNCNlI4E0B4YEtmGWY8UZKCsV452YrLWRvBnPXnFRFl0FuzE4pG4KaLnrepXn1bzf BaT+IrITo9BIRJn3r6q6QTU75LpzO3NDZ6CFSg9FoF7GjClAZTGrbuyFzxb5zIlf70G8 cpj32G26AaCeSQhkKHTDkufg5ASw/eCMrBItQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VqEbOuiLpFJ1EIF+rcbW880Q55LhpvhjAVZu1mzGosj49QHB9xAWUFVQwGZWbtxQZM KBHYRCQ+sviS7tiA4vsiYRTKGPUEVocKrhtZTQu/3E1TiMqede44YgOdK4LMHyCZBGFt DF6SKwLn1rCPc9deICbh7+sd/rWWMO2V6nudQ= Message-ID: <4CF9150E.3080505@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:04:30 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton - and six degrees References: <31199.4386.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4CF8F23A.2080409@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4CF8F23A.2080409@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 16:04:25 +0000 (UTC) I'm really confused that this still takes five steps to get from Slayer to Miles Davis - I mean, I can get there quicker (me -> Motoko Honda -> Wadada Leo Smith -> Pete Cosey -> Miles Davis, or me -> Andreas Willers -> Paul Motian -> Bill Evans -> Miles Davis, or me -> Rick Walker -> Henry Kaiser -> Herbie Hancock -> Miles Davis). Let's see: one of those pivotal points obviously is John Zorn, and there's a direct link to another pivotal point, Bill Laswell, who did work with Herbie Hancock...how about Slayer -> Lombardo -> Laswell (via Bladerunner Project) -> Hancock -> Davis? Rainer (suddenly obsessed with finding out his shortest route to John Zorn...already know a quick way to Karlheinz Stockhausen (via our own Luca Formentini)...it's a great place here!) >> I can shorten that who-recorded-with-who chain by one step: Miles >> Davis -> Dave Holland or Elvin Jones -> Bill Frisell -> Mike Patton >> -> Dave Lombardo -> Slayer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 16:31:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A1983BE81; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 16:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 543145081/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.81/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.81 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsBAJmq+ExYbRBR/2dsb2JhbAAHlRnSNoVIBI1x X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,294,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="543145081" Message-ID: <4CF91B62.8080609@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 16:31:30 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton - and six degrees References: <31199.4386.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4CF8F23A.2080409@gmail.com> <4CF9150E.3080505@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4CF9150E.3080505@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 16:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Zorn>Simon Fell>Graham Halliwell>andy butler ...and I always suspected that you were responsible for the mystery drum machine that I jammed along to on the Y2K6 Ninjam the kudos drops 99.9% on each step though :-( Rainer Straschill wrote: > (suddenly obsessed with finding out his shortest route to John > Zorn...already know a quick way to Karlheinz Stockhausen (via our own > Luca Formentini)...it's a great place here!) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 17:11:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1E963BE84; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 17:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1291396291; bh=bD8Rdonx86B/m0bgexonIE7Jy0YAAOG1BXc8iywzl9U=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HDZA28YGOHdpjDMTXGjAs/Kt+aDW+/gBEWAdrwwaAypjTLUbK3VWuWb9r9aFBBmQL+pyKPAzEp9t58EuAHN5nyzvHnV2K3RGf24x50gjABJ/Y51L1RRq7cHCobmQx5JHIUw8WO1Py52PuT+T89v4h/tw5kItv/BH6o18/srhb/o= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nnlUYfYjQUH5WSLndOR2fBsY+5PSP2u/TxkLRTAp+x4r9Nh5trtQkirCG66tEupY57bTCC6y8dPSr0bwF54U1ZIiaxwsFUCVo/JMg/tz33DK9p1YU38+bscvXiuQcG09q57VLpvtSEfHQJg79cpiX1yT5D6TTS9QgU6OWOG1v9A=; Message-ID: <481427.34339.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: blpfk30VM1mhBrzfpf8vk_Vm1RVvjPjMwvhgPLkkcpK0O6N HI_dhV7blsjkLXvsE8ejh.Gu5hDnFaqkV1UoJZb.DsAhkpFZQbtExzPc_DCq bOO0li3ZxjtlhfjdXQ2lI3G8ES2DnZD0FwUWcvTBttCNRh5YxEW1.BoF9WFl nsktu.Brto.snkYhHlATqr9PS7hyLdEi4RK.3I9i4tgfKP8Xh5Qc61uLLxhv bnct9P7Dmf03OLI4id4wRVe7vN0pco.8wEZokxDTnAzrH8smfncOJ4iNsHqW iOrs0jN8kp3SCqa.crba2QHumSFmHF8B2RAjGktcYyhEwKoH7yD6LmJwbaPH ZFyB7udzzjuAswP99jdQ_x76X63LigrLUtAgjZhB44nH10h2ifRnLZ0nQHFM - X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 09:11:31 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4CF8F23A.2080409@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-550405393-1291396291=:34339" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 17:11:32 +0000 (UTC) --0-550405393-1291396291=:34339 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0 I had to google it, but Elvin's on MD's "Blue Moods"=A0and "Sketches of Spa= in". =A0 One of the percussionists=A0in my silent film soundtrack group has recorded= with bassist Trevor Dunn, so=A0I=A0have=A0a (tenuous) Zorn/Patton connecti= on, too! =A0 =A0 ted. Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Daryl Shawn wrote: From: Daryl Shawn Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Received: Friday, December 3, 2010, 5:35 AM Oh, of course! Bitches Brew, w/Holland. What did Miles record with Elvin? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > > I can shorten that who-recorded-with-who chain by one step:=A0 Miles=20 > Davis -> Dave Holland or Elvin Jones -> Bill Frisell -> Mike Patton ->=20 > Dave Lombardo -> Slayer > > > ted. > > Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog > > --- On *Thu, 12/2/10, Daryl Shawn //* wrote: > > >=A0 =A0=A0=A0From: Daryl Shawn >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton >=A0 =A0=A0=A0To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Received: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 2:15 PM > >=A0 =A0=A0=A0The most direct Patton connection to looping would be his one= or >=A0 =A0=A0=A0two recordings with Naked City, which of course featured loop= y >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Bill Frisell. > >=A0 =A0=A0=A0(This connection is responsible, too, for a bit of fun of the >=A0 =A0=A0=A0seven degrees of Kevin Bacon variety. One can connect Slayer = to >=A0 =A0=A0=A0Miles Davis in six steps; Miles recorded with Bill Evans, who >=A0 =A0=A0=A0recorded with Paul Motian, who recorded with Frisell, who rec= orded >=A0 =A0=A0=A0with Patton, who recorded with Dave Lombardo, who recorded w/= Slayer). > =0A=0A --0-550405393-1291396291=:34339 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
I had to google it, but Elvin's on MD's "Blue Moods" and "Sketche= s of Spain".
 
One of the percussionists in my silent film soundtrack group has = recorded with bassist Trevor Dunn, so I have a (tenuous) Zor= n/Patton connection, too!
 
 
ted.

Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog
--- On Fri, 12/3/10, Daryl Shawn <darylshawn@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Daryl Shawn <darylshawn@gmail.com>Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com
Received: Friday, December 3, 2010, 5:35 AM

Oh, of course! Bitches Brew, w/Holland.

What = did Miles record with Elvin?

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

>
> I can shorten that who-recorded-with-who chain by one st= ep:  Miles
> Davis -> Dave Holland or Elvin Jones -> Bill= Frisell -> Mike Patton ->
> Dave Lombardo -> Slayer
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> ted.
>
> Enemies are good for self-definition= . Werner Herzog
>
> --- On *Thu, 12/2/10, Daryl Shawn /<darylshawn@gmail.com>/* wro= te:
>
>
>     From: Daryl Shawn <<= A href=3D"http://ca.mc343.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Ddarylshawn@gmail.c= om" ymailto=3D"mailto:darylshawn@gmail.com">darylshawn@gmail.com>>     Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton
>&n= bsp;    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> = ;    Received: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 2:15 PM
>>     The most direct Patton connection to looping= would be his one or
>     two recordings with Na= ked City, which of course featured loopy
>     Bi= ll Frisell.
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>     (This connection is res= ponsible, too, for a bit of fun of the
>     seve= n degrees of Kevin Bacon variety. One can connect Slayer to
>  &= nbsp;  Miles Davis in six steps; Miles recorded with Bill Evans, = who
>     recorded with Paul Motian, who recorded= with Frisell, who recorded
>     with Patton, who recorded with Dave Lombardo, who recorded w/Slayer).
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--0-664752019-1291404204=:49756-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 19:41:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 427533BE78; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 19:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=d8qgj34H2TY/sPT/vGWl9kM0CVHLd67RjE9kHrA9knY=; b=fGbaj/epvvMYyYDeqNvP8JjbSepmm3I5bJCeuqhtkTIk7akNM6r7F8765IRbkyMDgJ lyI/eUbiqSCBb8xV5yAY4YtDY23WHriq4ZqmT1yHmcZAEMWm7Y/g9DnOOylb/49Ufswl ZRqTmKAWJXxW+sG7TXjngMDahH7qdZ6SuogVo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aPJeADdRMGBcUARkm3xlGdYgmJhQ8XlS33AxpJYEPtUN4lMa7blMp6vxPwDKLCKRnE pzoPP4ozvJYgT04mimoXMkRpXnZs5pw0J4DxA+hAtA85djQPvnoWY8wPKenZbSm1/oY6 M5joT14QwjSaHPtkh6kLdAMLh25zn/MRkOJ/w= Message-ID: <4CF947C2.7060004@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:40:50 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tha Frippster in NYC References: <1363774492.1175379.1291230751770.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> <1119086132.1178446.1291235422695.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 19:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Ah sheesh, I was in a hurry to duck out and I didn't try to contact any fellow loopers at the Fripp performance. Sorry, my peeps! I'll be there again tomorrow night. Bob was using two pairs of Eventide boxes - I believe two H8000's and two H7000's - plus five or six single-space units I couldn't identify. On the ground was a blue Rocktron controller, three continuous controllers, and a GR-1 (I believe). He played one Les Paul-shaped axe. Security was very firm about preventing photography, unfortunately... After three very formal bows to the audience, complete with grin, he sat and did the soundscape thing. Very subtle, very slowly developing, and sometimes so quiet as to be almost inaudible, which served to hush the (sizable) crowd, if not the unending stream of bemused/confused Suits descending the escalators alongside the atrium at all times. Even after all the ambient guitar stuff I've listened to over the years, he still creates this stuff in a uniquely compelling way. I loved it. Looking forward to catching another set. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 19:48:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 824F13BE89; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 19:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: pluggo problem Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 20:48:10 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcuTIwOEXNFu02GbSZ6OcByZHpcHGA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.4.118; VDF: 7.10.14.187) Resent-Message-ID: <3bZvmC.A.J7B.BmU-MB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 19:48:17 +0000 (UTC) I tried to install the Pluggo runtime (on my Vista notebook) because I wanted to try some plugins by Oli Larkin that rely on Pluggo. Even though the installer says it installed everything, I can't see any Pluggo on my system (except for an empty folder in my VSTPlugins folder), and neither can Bidule. The vst plugins I wanted to check out aren't recognized by Bidule. Ideas anyone? And is this Pluggo runtime thingie ok with everyone? I read that it has problems and uses lots of resources. If it runs at all. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 20:09:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55A5E3BE79; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 20:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/2hhWyQ5QLjNjq6P6b4RalfRJRb2V7mKEuX8Ti3q1vY=; b=vYxHI3xAWxucveEEnxmH+aivs/xdcCDLWbpBjcwhdILUdpszd/8TS79Xph+IQ7xv2d pNVUX+/66P9baGjOd38WytZ6PUGc+i6aE5Mh2BcBLonHSRPJPQEPUHvmqqIVOACgCmhc qKQ7eTF8m6l5Ld2vJZ9KijLmvzJXdAmdl7Gco= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=N+u30aDTLcM2P4LxiHAzaVqiYLLwLrbVC22YPgkYLv050qwC817Ts5QekfmD/3q61Q h3qI5HnAvMVA3182S6rFID5djwGw8k2ixUO4VUc8yaWS0BAY+6ceS2Vr4b0U9GVYuXq6 HgbP65AMgCX4j3ytEy2J+PVvRJ74ciIn9zY9o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 21:09:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: pluggo problem From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 20:09:22 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > And is this Pluggo runtime thingie ok with everyone? I read that it has > problems and uses lots of resources. If it runs at all. I haven't used Pluggo Runtime for ages, but I remember having some issues with it when trying out other plugins than what comes with the Pluggo bundle. Since Pluggo was discontinued I try to use as few Cycling74 gadgets as possible. Just my strategy for moving into the future with open eyes to welcome what might come along. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 20:32:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1584D3BE81; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 20:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; s=sasl; bh=bZPk/2ymKC5GPq+W5aKxjrugpIA=; b=nM3UqJ Qj1M5/rusjMYmMnU77EWBBd/dAvZ0jd4gXYPMVPB5tbJoY93kT8Bzv1lgqljdP1E haiL1wmAq+aDWReksgldf2GQ0N+7Mf7swUrfDQdDAq/xpoIBAd96ztH3K/YAbag8 +iws7nse2IgvVPv4JTFCkzUr9osNMy/54NRjg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=message-id:date :from:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=qeUOWrp+df+425718EayrlB+65hEODZL sXemOs/STQzjsIjnicZqAjAp9RO1bz7h0cOsY6RI0YtTmC4oQfnKNz5KimxwMWlh fLLWjPqfP2I3rpPQ8NFmH5VI3LRu5GqID7wqBjfJe063l4UoFOxgEZWKC41Itk2y cttxtgdEVLY= Message-ID: <4CF953C1.2060609@pobox.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:32:01 -0600 From: "jimp@pobox.com" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <60D123B3C2059748A41C6A0ED879F4D21FA3004F@pinsmsx01.internal.imsglobal.com> <575002.49756.qm@web113408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <575002.49756.qm@web113408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030600050403090200010805" X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 62AB8B46-FF1C-11DF-ABE1-D4AA8CD1184F-07196044!b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 20:32:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030600050403090200010805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit especially if you are a lobster and thus can't figure out how to browse with only claws... 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= --Apple-Mail-4--430083018-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 22:32:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A85D73BE81; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 22:32:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4CF96FEE.3070303@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:32:14 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #713 for December 2, 2010. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 22:32:19 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/101202.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #713 December 2, 2010. RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight was "EMS VCS3 Experiment 1" which is self- released. Chuck Van Zyl, who will be playing concerts in the area including the Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, December 5, played a live set from the studios of WDIY. Visit the events page for concert details. Modulator ESP: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#dec Events: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Live, in-studio concert by Chuck Van Zyl 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Modulator ESP EMS VCS3 Experiment EMS VCS3 Experiment 1 (none) 1 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "EMS VCS3 Experiment 1" which is a self-released title. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 22:59:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FEAD3BE7E; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 22:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YLa2CspaoDX+KmfVwqAzZLBvPYljjASbav6NSddckDI=; b=aVn2BuX0R9iKBZju5xk9bLaXtWadLIIuowZC3evoEj1rocFglPa915Qi6QXAZOtapj hsNIwGkVDqz/CpDMnhfjCycpFyE+HOccu79OXxzmrdS/N8wz0NWENR3DNJsAc+jGeyCo yhvaIN/6mrXG0kI7NnTMd/FeM2fmsTOkSu4wA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GBAH06KQiglQI2xdhmxiWIMdzrqEXztqNh+k7VjCMv1XEVcURT91jfB+htafN+qWhP gcZz4KawFdsaCaSGFOoR6OvvodJrInl1MSRDIhzq+xylwXfOfC81j+VNMv2ODbS3wo+l wRgcrelO8GYQJ3GhWMrJYb8RHSqGdUvxDnoxY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <575002.49756.qm@web113408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <60D123B3C2059748A41C6A0ED879F4D21FA3004F@pinsmsx01.internal.imsglobal.com> <575002.49756.qm@web113408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 14:59:49 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 22:59:50 +0000 (UTC) 1) Google "Unsubscribe" and "Loopers-delight". Click on the first link that appears 2) Find the instructions for unsubscribing and follow them. Hint: You are close, but you're sending it to the wrong email address. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:23 AM, John Hefter wrote: > No such thing as unsubscribe. Once you sign up you belong to them. You will > get these garbage emails FOREVER!!! > ________________________________ > From: "RKoster@uk.imshealth.com" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 9:20:24 AM > Subject: unsubscribe > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 23:22:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90E073BE80; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 23:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FKeZEIxV2saG/CUHEkYNCC3u8lmyR3iW875XW/hDAuU=; b=yF77aw1L43xLAEdPZGuWZKNSZ4OczmaeYkY5XqiWDnE6NOstFZWBkHZieEe4igABXM PSqInAk9Lsa88nmbqbJxPnb8Xrau3ojj4zX4QUL1Ms8Gf1q9A41QNgkcWJ1LsQtN55Hl rL8KwDP3FOcEb8zolpM0GWo6zY/eyohGs2hbI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=STHAYw2gB03MJbuYgBTaEy2Uico+FVPCFlWV5gEeMusk3TRGTl0aAo0jav1gvpLoEq qKQEzTCfClucAumshGWutQSkLY51Yg9BnC0/7QarMOqMFwY8GAyVyNhK0iixBv7NtWYf /DeGcHrQcUNaJ9iBuNeQUVbFH6gsABkzD5RJg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4CF82ED0.3050103@cruzio.com> References: <4CF82ED0.3050103@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:22:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5bd5f76bdb9049689cfff Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 23:22:23 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5bd5f76bdb9049689cfff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 what about lets say using NI battery or such software for recording? im really curious about this,im sure nothing tops a real drummer,but this programs offer amazing sounds and save you so much miking time when producing,im really curious how many professional recordings on the radio have produced hits this way,and im not talking about electronic drums,im talikng about acoustic sample drums they are so realisitic is scarry! i think i would really have a problem nowdays telling the difference and though it might sound weird, i think some drummers are really being challenged with this type of sampled software,though it takes some finger practice and drum producing understanding no doubt;-) cheers Luis On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > andrea trabucco wrote: > >> >> Abandoned the choice to live-looping several percussion instruments, I've >> come to the decision to use some prerecorded stuff via a Mac computer and >> also do some live-looping with and e-drum pad. >> > > Dear Andrea, > > Maybe it's just because I'm a drummer/percussionist originally as a > musician, but having seen literally > hundreds of live looping performances at the Y2K festival and in 15 > different countries I have > to say that people who use real sounds as percussion elements (be it > recontextualizing their > instruments like guitarist, bassists or vocalists making drumset sounding > grooves by banging on > their axes (or beatboxing) feel much more organic, visceral and funky to my > ears than > people who use prerecorded loops or even interactive drum machine > sequencing programs like > RMX (which I agree is probably one of the best). > > It seems to me too, that audiences react more viscerally to people who do > their own percussion > even when it is very, very simple (and sometimes specifically because it is > very, very simple). > > For one thing, we are inundated in this electronic age with canned drum > tracks. > > It's so much more fun to see someone be creative even when it is very > simplistic to create a rhythmic track > to play over (and on top of that, you can use techniques like double > time/half time and reverse to > create sounds that are 'hyper' real. > > Just my two cents, but I'm curious why you choose to eschew live percussion > in your looping. > > Some of my favorite drummers are actually not drummers. I love, for > example, how Gary Regina creatively > uses percussion in his multi-instrumental live looping tracks. > > Is it just a matter of being able to mic such things well or is it the > bother of learning how to play some things > or even just lugging more gear around? > > I'm curious. > > respectfully, rick walker > > --001636c5bd5f76bdb9049689cfff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what about lets say using NI battery or such software for recording? im rea= lly curious about this,im sure nothing tops a real drummer,but this program= s offer amazing sounds and save you so much miking time when producing,im r= eally curious how many professional recordings on the radio have produced h= its this way,and im not talking about electronic drums,im talikng about aco= ustic sample drums they are so realisitic is scarry! i think i would really= have a problem nowdays telling the difference and though it might sound we= ird, i think some drummers are really being challenged with this type of sa= mpled software,though it takes some finger practice and drum producing unde= rstanding no doubt;-)
cheers
Luis

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:= 42 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
=A0andrea trabucco wrote:

Abandoned the choice to live-looping several percussion instruments, I'= ve come to the decision to use some prerecorded stuff via a Mac computer an= d also do some live-looping with and e-drum pad.

Dear Andrea,

=A0 Maybe it's just because I'm a drummer/percussionist originally= as a musician, but having seen literally
hundreds of live looping performances at the Y2K festival and in 15 differe= nt countries I have
to say that people who use real sounds as percussion elements (be it recont= extualizing their
instruments like guitarist, bassists or vocalists making drumset sounding g= rooves by banging on
their axes (or beatboxing) feel much more organic, visceral and funky to my= ears than
people who use prerecorded loops or even interactive drum machine sequencin= g programs like
RMX (which I agree is probably one of the best).

It seems to me too, that audiences react more viscerally to people who do t= heir own percussion
even when it is very, very simple (and sometimes specifically because it is= very, very simple).

For one thing, =A0we are inundated in this electronic age with canned drum = tracks.

It's so much more fun to see someone be creative even when it is very s= implistic to create a rhythmic track
to play over (and on top of that, you can use techniques like double time/h= alf time and reverse to
create sounds that are 'hyper' real.

Just my two cents, but I'm curious why you choose to eschew live percus= sion in your looping.

Some of my favorite drummers are actually not drummers. =A0I love, for exam= ple, how Gary Regina creatively
uses percussion in his multi-instrumental live looping tracks.

Is it just a matter of being able to mic such things well or is it the both= er of learning how to play some things
or even just lugging more gear around?

I'm curious.

respectfully, =A0 rick walker


--001636c5bd5f76bdb9049689cfff-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 3 23:43:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0626A3BE86; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 23:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=j5s/vGTqUA7kTvcepQoeGPHr6GnYNXrR2xOTnZuQo3Q=; b=BQetkPSzidlhW2BIqDhkSkGMmHSAbQtiaWHx142tVN4BRW411rYoxzwN55E7rRw9WT 1YlFU6oW9p42pzbbOPBa/gyUUPnkeW47dBqfxGToOGlOQ3IppIDmJm22QxmDRPgJfP4r SwNsllafbnBGevYze33CQuYY/a4QsGkkB+ONA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ho/PVRy7LnSau2tC/ju5PofcZTrlwxPY4m0gdYrROONd+Hh5ys/5gPpbRqzGFStZn9 KcJAGgfErk5G40RjivcDGr2MBBqXEJLVADxw7A+w29lFGpYjiGmHH6Zrhs+NPL7e8GO6 lioE5+CkO5Jo6IKY0ut46za4nLZtWh2NZU/Dk= Message-ID: <4CF980A6.2060806@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 00:43:34 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton - and six degrees References: <31199.4386.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4CF8F23A.2080409@gmail.com> <4CF9150E.3080505@googlemail.com> <4CF91B62.8080609@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4CF91B62.8080609@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 23:43:28 +0000 (UTC) andy butler schrieb: > Zorn>Simon Fell>Graham Halliwell>andy butler > > ...and I always suspected that you were responsible for the mystery > drum machine that I jammed along to on the Y2K6 Ninjam > > the kudos drops 99.9% on each step though :-( Don't know which mystery drum machine you're referring to - according to the website, you played with Ted Killian and Tim Bowness? http://www.y2kloopfest.com/y2k6/ninjam.html Is my memory that flawed? Btw, I found my own way (which I only mention because it might apply to a lot of other people here, too): me -> Walker -> Kaiser -> Zorn. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 00:59:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86FE03BE84; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=bBfyj+LlvHq0ETDHcSWwGqglTs9XbcTXLF1UiAis/nY=; b=pmgUSj0b4WYqQks7/QZnqRqUI/6K6R75SvbMhdVdh8aQkvh+oPyVGd22n3DlI8c928 xWut1+XkPmW6n8NVE+jpoD+HTYvsJl/5MSC09EVrN5gwElAWo5eKv2tCeOv2MdcGJoqu aXxzzOC3a0mr5oWWnAEjCb2lh2Z5Yz3bk47Wc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=RwYl2Bgqa0rTgsP0tr+qpaEX16gSJwUyZv5Ju0aTn211icfoViQd/jiznhrHiErMvc EZzBb4diC7O2wPUgJkDPsEFniwC81eqQtRbvFZ7oO0v2eVffmFEeZtLd26fNbGQy4OXn gNPGm2ygQYUFmziABEFLm16VN8lScJdX/6eY8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4CF82ED0.3050103@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 19:59:40 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: HOhW1IXtmRnddfbT3i3kfv2pV1k Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b0676ef4ab04968b2bfe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:59:41 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5b0676ef4ab04968b2bfe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 re Rick's comment: like this cool track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqGHoIaVGKY --001636c5b0676ef4ab04968b2bfe Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable re Rick's comment: like this cool track:=A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkqGHoIaVGKY


--001636c5b0676ef4ab04968b2bfe-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 01:14:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AF093BE80; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 01:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=epMZ3P8ZH6Owj8XCo/44w0Eq9G88mEIHJ464HOMrhZV7G3ydI8Km4+0u0cFscn0b; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4CF947C2.7060004@gmail.com> References: <1363774492.1175379.1291230751770.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> <1119086132.1178446.1291235422695.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> <4CF947C2.7060004@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 20:13:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Tha Frippster in NYC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7963600812a6fdadda4b77a8dc7926f6a1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: <3dMftC.A.Oo.gXZ-MB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 01:14:08 +0000 (UTC) I was there for the 12:30 show... it was quite interesting to me how much better the quiescent hubbub of the World Financial Center sounded after the performance >Ah sheesh, I was in a hurry to duck out and I didn't try to contact >any fellow loopers at the Fripp performance. Sorry, my peeps! I'll >be there again tomorrow night. > >Bob was using two pairs of Eventide boxes - I believe two H8000's >and two H7000's - plus five or six single-space units I couldn't >identify. On the ground was a blue Rocktron controller, three >continuous controllers, and a GR-1 (I believe). He played one Les >Paul-shaped axe. > >Security was very firm about preventing photography, unfortunately... > >After three very formal bows to the audience, complete with grin, he >sat and did the soundscape thing. Very subtle, very slowly >developing, and sometimes so quiet as to be almost inaudible, which >served to hush the (sizable) crowd, if not the unending stream of >bemused/confused Suits descending the escalators alongside the >atrium at all times. > >Even after all the ambient guitar stuff I've listened to over the >years, he still creates this stuff in a uniquely compelling way. I >loved it. Looking forward to catching another set. > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 01:46:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 182ED3BE79; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 01:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OINobZxQklyRrJ50SKpqYpDXaM/JYHmLlcP+zILuZn8=; b=Ievo576DumriOi6+TAyKN8MbqSSBe8RVj3Lik7ru+B1WF9SlEW+dRPa5uvzOip6qmQ MXrJWLcWnHqs+0qRMgx11QI3ObGhF4YGQNxV3bzbX9xeDyJMG3eyNyJ1x5yLnyDhzBiJ s9lYBHRRhC8MkUdMvA/y+SObvMx8zHy79xHcI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=c6iTiPwidjUxvEDKesDmizu7f3xLol39IKT5QQO6doDcST9HXgslxeI8MqK3OOjCWF Pm2eeLWFcSL+sPS2A6YDWzdOeVqQKFssqPeqSEg+ip1Ly37DXI/PKq8UzJiz54WQhlpH Tax75O578JSWagT4ywIiZVuBKNLOS4p8eWXDU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4CF82ED0.3050103@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 17:45:59 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 01:46:01 +0000 (UTC) I don't know why but that made me think of Mad Max accordion. K On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Warren Sirota wrote= : > re Rick's comment: like this cool > track:=A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkqGHoIaVGKY > > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 03:07:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59C443BE80; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 03:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=edvWWGvqGtpfopr2XkjfOQKvRAGbAQKcsUEmty7rp68=; b=Y1eirF5+RsFJb7JpohfhlAeFxY8pqFxfem0h/FVLL1Ay1GuqS+sUd6RWOSqOTrOhqM jlmGZmq8PDtUxwtx+ZJ+zqx+vZieRCd3Tb1z/jdI1+VUSTnUUgNM73dF2GvuTVTjRO4D pS9U2GOtzKoFQBCkqVbI0aLtoGLgSD+mQbpXw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nqIrDFNizXGX7fp1aLGmgbqoMINaVu65YSe3DhMnG0ZbJxA8HQ0KaKnfMx1zMdNrx2 7S1s+d3huEnLgTA2qDjVZOo/X7GmpGnF33H+OORtOhN3dt/YUyKj/TFgY46sd1esn9SG H5BLM6WszaJRwN8sm5gqz4JSzRL5op/o8jMCU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <60D123B3C2059748A41C6A0ED879F4D21FA3004F@pinsmsx01.internal.imsglobal.com> <575002.49756.qm@web113408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 05:06:58 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a203bbf43904968cf2a7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 03:07:01 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a203bbf43904968cf2a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 un-sub-scribe!!!!!!! 2010/12/4 Matt Davignon > 1) Google "Unsubscribe" and "Loopers-delight". 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--20cf3054a203bbf43904968cf2a7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 03:16:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EACD3BE81; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 03:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <60D123B3C2059748A41C6A0ED879F4D21FA3004F@pinsmsx01.internal.imsglobal.com> <575002.49756.qm@web113408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <441DBDAE-FC6E-4E04-95A4-F2812EE18F93@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 21:16:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - business.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 03:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Try using upper case letters, that works better. Also click the Send = button really hard. =20 On Dec 3, 2010, at 9:06 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > un-sub-scribe!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 03:25:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2855E3BE79; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 03:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=UUKFhjbyoZexj1BUwFb6ZLDq54HSoadl6dZQVXBeLKo=; b=P7++JZS10RX4cK/+ybax6F/wfVM6wTRQzEhSrL5hsGc9JdUNW6WHGSV9XKIPm08Um+ ICbcAmxcvz7/sSCHBzbBpKaFiRvCKSPYudu0xqZhwc1FbBgsjOmoOYSoAk67gJLhl+B5 C7K4cbt28si6Qy71XRb+wVZpK/P1b+BGLe7UM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lPH9q0xDFaAF5OGvbi/iJ0DQjxYAmyEPRHiSWQc7qaOLv0mmY2DZKpUh48G6pWQ5hX Tfg9xInFhHI+zkbVlgp5lo0USKvKhar6JYmP+i9BFJS+WJHxK2XpOZnnaVdDTHD5p8Dd +g7IwNpjGzcjoR0s/IWxb0gEx8DPoyNX9bW1I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <441DBDAE-FC6E-4E04-95A4-F2812EE18F93@zonemobius.com> References: <60D123B3C2059748A41C6A0ED879F4D21FA3004F@pinsmsx01.internal.imsglobal.com> <575002.49756.qm@web113408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <441DBDAE-FC6E-4E04-95A4-F2812EE18F93@zonemobius.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 05:25:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a2e9a84e2004968d33ef Resent-Message-ID: <6cYyQB.A.aZD.VSb-MB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 03:25:09 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a2e9a84e2004968d33ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 U-N-S-U-B-S-C-R-IBE!!!!!!! I'm pressing the send button with my fist!!!!!!! Please, let me goooooo 2010/12/4 Jeff Larson > Try using upper case letters, that works better. Also click the Send > button really hard. > > On Dec 3, 2010, at 9:06 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > > > un-sub-scribe!!!!!!! > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a2e9a84e2004968d33ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable U-N-S-U-B-S-C-R-IBE!!!!!!!

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On Dec 3, 2010, at 9:06 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote:

> un-sub-scribe!!!!!!!




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--20cf3054a2e9a84e2004968d33ef-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 04:35:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 733373BE79; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 04:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GaVCJ0vbodD04weX2XHbhNthsBPtEN8Fkppcdh7XbMo=; b=U/EYUaMafas/WgfYHb5pFJHYnjJ1IpGRgNLBAY7BkiVIwwRWAbxhNWdHLr0nrghqto rpHTfHG/XcccMw4iiGRPxjvt12ZhXoBP5j07Ka8QRNWKm/VkyP2n7oR2f9BrEv0efS4w XpUJhhP7JxNYtNKpU8fsgtkfPiSP00xsocEvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TbpQ+FNA0lG+BNk0Y/n/SF24Pg0Qltk2akFNGCKx9kQbPRumAor+OPtwRPvJmD11uM yT0tlSmk3gI7BRnHIq4U1j1eYizI4aFS+eatvOh49kKBAgnOODmO1TGKMjg1a5wufih3 F1wUi6hMZmWzUNVDqM5YWY6Vd6iwB32pQ8Foo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <60D123B3C2059748A41C6A0ED879F4D21FA3004F@pinsmsx01.internal.imsglobal.com> <575002.49756.qm@web113408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <441DBDAE-FC6E-4E04-95A4-F2812EE18F93@zonemobius.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 20:35:46 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 04:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Makes you wonder how they got in in the first place sometimes. Kevin On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > U-N-S-U-B-S-C-R-IBE!!!!!!! > > I'm pressing the send button with my fist!!!!!!! > > > Please, let me goooooo > > 2010/12/4 Jeff Larson >> >> Try using upper case letters, that works better. =A0Also click the Send >> button really hard. >> >> On Dec 3, 2010, at 9:06 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: >> >> > un-sub-scribe!!!!!!! >> > > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen > http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen > http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ > --------------------------------------------------- > "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- > --------------------------------------------------- > "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." > -Charles Bukowski- > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 09:23:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8293D3BE84; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 09:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4CFA0879.6010700@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 04:23:05 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 09:23:09 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, December 4 at 6 am EST/GMT-5. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs in Phase One. You will also hear music from Chuck Van Zyl who will play at the Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, December 5, 8 pm at the Nazareth Center for the Arts. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 10:26:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D16C3BE80; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 10:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 540660953/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.57/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.57 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: An0CAEKm+UxYbRA5/2dsb2JhbAAHlRTQBIVJBI11 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,298,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="540660953" Message-ID: <4CFA1747.7090500@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 10:26:15 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patton - and six degrees References: <31199.4386.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4CF8F23A.2080409@gmail.com> <4CF9150E.3080505@googlemail.com> <4CF91B62.8080609@tiscali.co.uk> <4CF980A6.2060806@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4CF980A6.2060806@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 10:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Straschill wrote: > andy butler schrieb: >> Zorn>Simon Fell>Graham Halliwell>andy butler >> >> ...and I always suspected that you were responsible for the mystery >> drum machine that I jammed along to on the Y2K6 Ninjam >> >> the kudos drops 99.9% on each step though :-( > Don't know which mystery drum machine you're referring to - according to > the website, you played with Ted Killian and Tim Bowness? > http://www.y2kloopfest.com/y2k6/ninjam.html > > Is my memory that flawed? no, you disclaimed all responsibility at the time too :-) We had a very late start, and a poor connection, Ted only appeared a couple of times, followed by the ninjam ghost drums. We never found out where they came from. > Btw, I found my own way (which I only mention because it might apply to > a lot of other people here, too): me -> Walker -> Kaiser -> Zorn. yes, thought of that after the post. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 10:50:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85F7C3BE79; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 10:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eTrCuUgXqKNv0L6VGHbeYH8L9UMWc3fDK6ERbPzPKJA=; b=qs68Y7vZNB2pHt47QWC2fa0Jx+SrfycfMyP9tA68vQJqUvPvQRPF2eu098tj+c+teT +/nL2zf1e8sLFECGk4Uaw2bzIjCvWu/4yBl3BGBQnVoUZdqQxb2f2N/pOwHJvpUjLfGN QXh4e7rUtFUpJVFJ3WQhlSLgs5/c9YRdddjjU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=HFyTazy3EY7pxKbiYmIbwyUW63ms8RpmvVH+XWTfwLSasle69VfS1SG+6ATBDhN0Ag kF+wDX2g3N0Z/aSHXgRCDmQFtHY+EFN0n1UreEmaROPO2E6MyaWcUFZu3Vv29qcMq9hQ nwRt3PXoE9BfLecnSc5RUKNaFxwPHi5C9oCRs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 11:50:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Loop Music Box From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b3251359250496936ce4 Resent-Message-ID: <9QJRND.A.i8D.yzh-MB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 10:50:26 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5b3251359250496936ce4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i want one!!! On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Tony K wrote: > Thought some of you might enjoy this little video. > > It loops with a twist. ;) > > http://vihart.com/musicbox/ > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony > --001636c5b3251359250496936ce4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i want one!!!






On Wed,= Dec 1, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:
Thought some of you might enjoy this little video.

It loops with a t= wist. ;)

h= ttp://vihart.com/musicbox/

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--001636c5b3251359250496936ce4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 11:45:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FC023BE86; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 11:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 6342.71382.bm@omp1035.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1291463125; bh=mdfeKhSPz2wYGvGfslsF8qWFZ6mRiYY7uTkEw1npmrE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WW5wdcoVTVZ3SZX6kEHJmMHronx4x3ypQxZIp1OvSY/y4VResR1gL6PF1wHuiXWcoQ+FGQbm4LcIinyATDColID4zPD5hxKVBBeLUJtPxhmrmBlo+NJ6dTkxcRjBQ49aZnlFXU1GW5D9mseKl6aBYJafhPObm1flSWHZU7xoOMI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Le/09eNQ3Nh3vVE8qVsRsxsaAGBR5EHGfHaRHQAligyPvfMSF+E/ZaA0lXk03kS+vuVAaxJa/x1qWHITlPLFURhcB6i1gA1vqB4OIFaYOTHCS3ZwJop3C0RD+Mr5xMc3XBPqmdNi8uGxAAB5dj0xVRDpvpPN3O0Jdju6t3iFIxk=; Message-ID: <697424.70435.qm@web113418.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AwKrBCAVM1koZsIyHhB4LadnYhCqKNgsjzG_qXHZx1x8OgD .NV5dswllunWki8.AqKiS3dqic2Lba2H4lP8ZwaJ9cbrvLTfyw1MASTUazXI 1bxKroD4Iiqb0Off7QEIow425zRlRYxY7v4BJoUV0t.xd4FK1_K97jNsIlYx H3yoau7NNZeRUkTu73YljN8SffkCma5pWkIEUh7gGW8H2J0nSMoPBQuvUBzo nCqqADz3eAW7ZaBOGYxLItI0YGSm5hIE1MYAJyxcnOBMqkD3C.hNn2ogC.Gr 3jIIU0x0LzjfZeZoULN_r60QWxjZYLuI5t3cRvttJ52acr5NoiWsXuSsB415 tmxWMBxZC_wEGXy5sHqbkYhupeItLuQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <4CF82ED0.3050103@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 03:45:25 -0800 (PST) From: John Hefter Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1439932105-1291463125=:70435" Resent-Message-ID: <8P3Q2C.A.p2E.Wni-MB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 11:45:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-1439932105-1291463125=:70435 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oh really???=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Kevin C= heli-Colando =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c= om=0ASent: Fri, December 3, 2010 7:45:59 PM=0ASubject: Re: Question about e= lectronic drums and Mac looping=0A=0AI don't know why but that made me thin= k of Mad Max accordion.=0A=0AK=0A=0AOn Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Warren = Sirota wrote:=0A> re Rick's comment: like this cool= =0A> track:=A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkqGHoIaVGKY=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A= =0A=0A=0A-- =0ATill now you seriously considered yourself to be the body an= d to have a=0Aform. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of= all trouble.=0A=0A- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)=0A=0ASound and Vision:=A0 = http://www.minds-eye.org=0AVideo http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos=0A= =0A=0A --0-1439932105-1291463125=:70435 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
oh really???
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=0A= From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com
Sent: Fri, Decemb= er 3, 2010 7:45:59 PM
Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping

I = don't know why but that made me think of Mad Max accordion.

K
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns= .com> wrote:
> re Rick's comment: like this cool
> track= : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkqGHoIaVGKY
>
>
>=



--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the= body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root= cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.o= rg
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos


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mmm hmm very interesting...thank you for that remarkab= le insight
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=0AFrom: andy butl= er <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
T= o: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 4:26:15 AM
Subject: Re: rather very OT: Patto= n - and six degrees



Rainer Straschill wrote:
> = andy butler schrieb:
>> Zorn>Simon Fell>Graham Halliwell>= andy butler
>>
>> ...and I always suspected that you wer= e responsible for the mystery drum machine that I jammed along to on the Y2= K6 Ninjam
>>
>>      the kudos drops 99.9= % on each step though :-(
> Don't know which mystery drum machine you= 're referring to - according to the website, you played with Ted Killian an= d Tim Bowness?
> http://www.y2kloopfest.com/y2k6/ninjam.html
> =
> Is my memory that flawed?

no, you disclaimed all responsibility at the= time too :-)
We had a very late start, and a poor connection, Ted only = appeared
a couple of times, followed by the ninjam ghost drums.
We ne= ver found out where they came from.


> Btw, I found my own way= (which I only mention because it might apply to a lot of other people here= , too): me -> Walker -> Kaiser -> Zorn.

yes, thought of tha= t after the post.

andy


=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A --0-1489774734-1291462999=:28102-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 12:02:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4A933BE75; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 12:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SgAIMLRxwjSXYBOByGMBFeD77aZzhWEO+i2ecgaXbiE=; b=WHntxunxffUamh0cnhHfSPZBSzPdfRNUxlRs/tbp1TMSdcNq+So2Skfj+EIfkN8DU6 O3ngcZi1AiEpaHegHG8iQ6TTuKbPRxso4RGr/hqRuNVF84w9y0JDMLxf0ANRjo0bxKzJ 1y/JxeAH37w19VAwB3a11yRjdVWsoH/jrw7WI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=GnXYr8JTMUQNG0B4ENGgFrbigtzmqj35ZrS/dHrcQ17yANTsaB5sqOMTixKM/y62tQ XRt39LrQ6z6KHbjEO4kbhUryLJNVfKfGvERECXq6GDisCBnETZioBxeEh8OOrI0x6YjG 33J7/vhN/BL1Qgv9Tp/SMJDvNQNsNDY5tXN3E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <4CF82ED0.3050103@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 12:02:09 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd341c4b408b30496946cf2 Resent-Message-ID: <0Z90_B.A.wRF.C3i-MB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 12:02:10 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd341c4b408b30496946cf2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i can vouch for that. i use battery quite a lot and have used the NI studio drums, synthetic drums and various others in my music. i used some on my latest album. the tune called "the space between breaths" used a jazz kit and the tune called "here and now" used one of the studio kits (can't remember which one). i programmed the drums for both tunes completely from scratch. i'm sure a drummer would be able to tell that they are programmed, but they sound ok, i think. they have enough velocity levels that you can get some pretty realistic stuff going, if you have the patience to program with that much detail. sim On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > what about lets say using NI battery or such software for recording? im > really curious about this,im sure nothing tops a real drummer,but this > programs offer amazing sounds and save you so much miking time when > producing,im really curious how many professional recordings on the radio > have produced hits this way,and im not talking about electronic drums,im > talikng about acoustic sample drums they are so realisitic is scarry! i > think i would really have a problem nowdays telling the difference and > though it might sound weird, i think some drummers are really being > challenged with this type of sampled software,though it takes some finger > practice and drum producing understanding no doubt;-) > cheers > Luis > > > --000e0cd341c4b408b30496946cf2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i can vouch for that. i use battery quite a lot and have used the NI studio= drums, synthetic drums and various others in my music. i used some on my l= atest album. the tune called "the space between breaths" used a j= azz kit and the tune called "here and now" used one of the studio= kits (can't remember which one). i programmed the drums for both tunes= completely from scratch. i'm sure a drummer would be able to tell that= they are programmed, but they sound ok, i think. they have enough velocity= levels that you can get some pretty realistic stuff going, if you have the= patience to program with that much detail.

sim

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM, = Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
what about lets say using NI battery or such software for recording? im rea= lly curious about this,im sure nothing tops a real drummer,but this program= s offer amazing sounds and save you so much miking time when producing,im r= eally curious how many professional recordings on the radio have produced h= its this way,and im not talking about electronic drums,im talikng about aco= ustic sample drums they are so realisitic is scarry! i think i would really= have a problem nowdays telling the difference and though it might sound we= ird, i think some drummers are really being challenged with this type of sa= mpled software,though it takes some finger practice and drum producing unde= rstanding no doubt;-)
cheers
Luis


--000e0cd341c4b408b30496946cf2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 12:37:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D88F03BE81; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 12:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1291466221; bh=u4LET0wwK8ios5c32V0A6u2HCgpR3/RAS+MUv/3k0pI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=R1t+5oGK/HuSwKGzNYqMiA7RtWNSumO+k8nH8k3x6lPbjglv3UVe0dcUeMS4T2s4DOIVx8y6kTA1vDiKER1PktyO8PiB1SqQi9bcQQeAm+5T8bTI4EDRQGVdD3DJqxeKcuy/pBUjo5Mig1UyuQo/NbX9Oj0l4AGCnifEA/p6a5g= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YipdYV0TAO71HIT6cUQHCAOBboUfbB6p6izlhuWKvanbDMn7ZmggDyJY5noBy+S8D1J6tuFlJ/bSLotYSQH1HlYygPTWuUNZ6mE8bV1ADwtLMEXEgD4MvJzqySpHSCx0Q1kchRvH6+ooHEE48ht3gx1dSTDtzAaLp/Gn0g67xPs=; Message-ID: <648511.28231.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: XPXRC5kVM1lrrELMbomIJc0VSGRAlEQl.nBGv71CQRw.bI2 QJ44qXwCyD.C0JIOLdr8a2bOgPUrPZyKqrSdSIpb3rPI_cwCfhaMLYHg1Q5Q 5M1DnVpbEmO7evmgrQ3NDYfApBYxZOdoOmLPSibN1ySO.e1BPspXF3AvRzbi z8x1CkRPhAXpMo7fK8rriGGnBrilmhiQyJeZwhpSPVKEN0QdfjYaGy2i3vzY HGwZm8Rnxh9L04ojKUAvFFlye4h1sWSEZvF_RHTaieDtJvPLRes3I1SNwgH5 wGAAC.Xl5IGYMEkJZjYWVhk1IOo8- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <4CF82ED0.3050103@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 04:37:01 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2008557529-1291466221=:28231" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 12:37:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-2008557529-1291466221=:28231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii why not play the sough with a MIDI drum controller Antony Hquet ________________________________ From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 1:02:09 PM Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping i can vouch for that. i use battery quite a lot and have used the NI studio drums, synthetic drums and various others in my music. i used some on my latest album. the tune called "the space between breaths" used a jazz kit and the tune called "here and now" used one of the studio kits (can't remember which one). i programmed the drums for both tunes completely from scratch. i'm sure a drummer would be able to tell that they are programmed, but they sound ok, i think. they have enough velocity levels that you can get some pretty realistic stuff going, if you have the patience to program with that much detail. sim On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: what about lets say using NI battery or such software for recording? im really curious about this,im sure nothing tops a real drummer,but this programs offer amazing sounds and save you so much miking time when producing,im really curious how many professional recordings on the radio have produced hits this way,and im not talking about electronic drums,im talikng about acoustic sample drums they are so realisitic is scarry! i think i would really have a problem nowdays telling the difference and though it might sound weird, i think some drummers are really being challenged with this type of sampled software,though it takes some finger practice and drum producing understanding no doubt;-) >cheers >Luis > > > --0-2008557529-1291466221=:28231 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
why not play the sough with a MIDI drum controller

Antony Hquet

From: Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 1:02:09 PM
Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping

i can vouch for that. i use battery quite a lot and have used the NI studio drums, synthetic drums and various others in my music. i used some on my latest album. the tune called "the space between breaths" used a jazz kit and the tune called "here and now" used one of the studio kits (can't remember which one). i programmed the drums for both tunes completely from scratch. i'm sure a drummer would be able to tell that they are programmed, but they sound ok, i think. they have enough velocity levels that you can get some pretty realistic stuff going, if you have the patience to program with that much detail.

sim

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
what about lets say using NI battery or such software for recording? im really curious about this,im sure nothing tops a real drummer,but this programs offer amazing sounds and save you so much miking time when producing,im really curious how many professional recordings on the radio have produced hits this way,and im not talking about electronic drums,im talikng about acoustic sample drums they are so realisitic is scarry! i think i would really have a problem nowdays telling the difference and though it might sound weird, i think some drummers are really being challenged with this type of sampled software,though it takes some finger practice and drum producing understanding no doubt;-)
cheers
Luis



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'midnight room' is beautiful.  thanks for this...

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Subject: Reyn vs Blaudzun
From: Reyn Ouwehand <loopers= -delight@reyn.net>
Date: Tue, November 30, 2010 9:43 am
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Made a little Echoplex setup for this concert!

http://www.youtube= .com/watch?v=3D_r9j2H9_e00

Enjoy!

Cheers,

Reyn

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 13:04:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07C503BE78; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 13:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZEuL2tEh/EjZUoa3jbTObsTOgJEjs75uSMMkq0kDboY=; b=QlfKH0RaNJ0tB6xMo8nfAkUF7iswvXXW1xmgleSVqFhhoYTJlfyOeiByrVIX+sd6lL yhY//n/ko7BQ/48k5jc3ZxG2NhOUp69A4KvbBWJB6K6Gol/xyzI1FtKsw/4rNVomgrzy JnJYRweX8lEviYd9fqd8l9Wj4xtULGp0gDlCU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DF61eCD8yJ8zn959alXlN4vT2jA7Tbip4+S6bYGtttmhXBRKeiPIMTtH5u50t6VxrF jUjjr95DoT2tYXkxQFryOUP1X2LDl2ywwSOwtZWbmn0RdQmD5aV9DqGvcot6/KoYd6eW eaR7uSnA/+SNTtB5GWAZ3LzeWHAsNQHirFU8w= Message-ID: <4CFA3C52.2030805@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 14:04:18 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: Gig =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Sp=E4m=3A_MoinSound_Studio_Sessions=2C?= =?ISO-8859-15?Q?_today_Sat_4th_at_1600UTC?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 13:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, the MoinSound Studio Sessions are back today with a return to the trombone - and to massive looping. Go to Café Noodle: http://cafenoodle.ning.com/ to moinlabs: http://moinlabs.de or directly to the ustream link: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions Date/Time link (it's 3 hours from now): http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=4&month=12&year=2010&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 All you need is a computer with a web browser (w/ flash plugin) and a mid-speed internet connection (low-speed DSL is sufficient). No registration required (unless you want to engage in the online chat, which I dearly hope you do...) See you there! Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 14:16:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E3293BE86; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4CFA4D3D.1090701@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 06:16:29 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: rather very OT: Patton - and six degrees References: <4CFA1747.7090500@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4CFA1747.7090500@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Rainer wrote: >> Btw, I found my own way (which I only mention because it might apply >> to a lot of other people here, too): me -> Walker -> Kaiser -> Zorn. > Holy Shit, I came up with these tonight with a little Google searching after reading Rainer's post. What a crack up!!!!!! Me-> Kaiser -> Wadada Leo Smith -> Charlie Haden -> Keith Jarrett -> Miles -> Coltrane or Me -> Kaiser -> Wadada Leo Smith -> Charlie Haden -> John Lennon -> Elvis -> God (though they never jammed, they did meet each other once) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 14:49:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B2183BE84; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4CFA54F6.3020608@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 09:49:26 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Top 20 Report for November, 2010. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1RckdD.A.yi.8Tl-MB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:49:32 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/top20-11nov.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for November, 2010. Shows #709 to #712; 4-November-2010 to 25-November-2010 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox The Special Focus for November was Dan Pound. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#nov ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ======================================================================== Axess - Fusion - Spheric Music Chuck van Zyl - Celestial Mechanics - Centaur Conrad Schnitzler and Wolfgang Seidel - 10 kW/h - Ricochet Dream Dan Pound - Drift - Pound Sounds Dan Pound - Lunar Effect - Pound Sounds Dan Pound - Night Watch - Pound Sounds Dan Pound - Trance Meditation - Pound Sounds Darren Rogers - The Ancients - Imagineer Different Skies - Arcosanitarium - Earth Mantra Ian Boddy - Pearl - DiN Lemonchill - Sleeping With Giants - Ricochet Dream Richard Pinhas - Metal/Crystal - Cuneiform Robert Schroeder - Cream - Spheric Music Rudolf Heimann - Tide - Spheric Music The Pels Syndicate - Cinematic Blue - AD Music The Tangent Project - Live at The Gatherings 05.17.08 - none Van Zyl, Gulch, Rath - The Sound Museum - Groove mindSpiral - Curiosa Positronica - Earth Mantra tBH - Book o Salms - NoEcho xeroid entity - Clouds of Dust - electro-music Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 15:39:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D31A33BE81; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 15:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4CFA60B8.1050400@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 10:39:36 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for December 4, 2010. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 15:39:42 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2010/101204.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EST/GMT-5 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #187 December 4, 2010. On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music magazine. Each contemporary issue comes with a CD. However, the early issues came with a cassette. The cassettes from issues one through thirteen have been remastered and are now available on CDR in plastic slip covers with artwork and track details. Details are at: http://sequencesmagazine.com I also played music by Chuck van Zyl who will appear at the Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, December 5, 8:00 pm at the Nazareth Center for the arts. See http://soundscapes.us for details. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Chuck Van Zyl Time MemorySpace (Synkronos) Chuck Van Zyl All Souls' Day MemorySpace (Synkronos) Chuck Van Zyl September Cemetary MemorySpace (Synkronos) VA [Tom Habes] Time Zone Sequences No. 12 VA [Van Zyl, Gulch] Sector Zero Zero One Sequences No. 12 VA [Mooch] p Hydrii Sequences No. 12 Modulator ESP EMS VCS3 Experiment EMS VCS3 Experiment 1 (none) 1 * Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Deuter Laughing Winters Mystery of Live (New Earth) Darshan Ambient A Day Within Days A Day Within a Day (Lotuspike) Claudio Merlini The Harmony of The Colours of Music (A.D. Colour Music) Little Wolf The Gathering Prayer To the Mystery, The Gathering 2 (New Earth) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Pinnacle] Paikalliset Tuulet Tuonen Tytar II (Musea) VA [Onsegen Escape from the Tuonen Tytar II (Musea) Ensemble] Storm VA [Karmic Down To Earth Tuonen Tytar II (Musea) Jaggernaut] Chris G Tomorrow Never Knows Time Signatures (none) Matthew Anderson Retribution Merciless Ocean (Mrsvee) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 16:16:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E1A33BE84; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/BBmLZGqWz7nUskhPyUVe6F6U17XQGvgt6Gk0Y8sfHw=; b=NNd1Q8nDYZYtRmGBlAxIsfGegtQUPUNJx+Wz+bt/MUsl5oi+qiI7zNWFvWxIsJLpxe cYyjkzcEf5DrqHsAC7vabJhz7cz6vgB30a4S0xKocBS9ypXLGTmryFQQAx4ijR3ZSXA8 XnJYqvliAdXf3e8VibeF0sWAxxjYZYSwfYr4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=E+8PRegwe6KFPJbLT7HBjRjJNCQ8tjKnHRSNruacg+c3vOAGAej5bxfinADrtnaTOy s5PuRmKa4Vcf400ROgaPsOGXEALhaLL3bVb2NLnX5O0wnJngmoDl0DhvfNNyV3RjWP5n 5p+ALCpgo6nrpIpuGwCTYg9Oa/k86NSUFqpVQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4CFA3C52.2030805@googlemail.com> References: <4CFA3C52.2030805@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 11:16:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Gig_Sp=E4m=3A_MoinSound_Studio_Sessions=2C_today_Sat_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?4th_at_1600UTC?= From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Rainer have a great show and once again I'll have to catch the playback. I'm inroute to visit family in Arkansas and will be in transit at your cast time but jazzed you are. Tromboning. Slide loop on Jim On 12/4/10, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Hi everyone, > > the MoinSound Studio Sessions are back today with a return to the > trombone - and to massive looping. > Go to Caf=E9 Noodle: > http://cafenoodle.ning.com/ > to moinlabs: > http://moinlabs.de > or directly to the ustream link: > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions > > Date/Time link (it's 3 hours from now): > > http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3D4&month=3D12&year= =3D2010&hour=3D16&min=3D0&sec=3D0&p1=3D0 > > All you need is a computer with a web browser (w/ flash plugin) and a > mid-speed internet connection (low-speed DSL is sufficient). No > registration required (unless you want to engage in the online chat, > which I dearly hope you do...) > > See you there! > > Rainer > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > --=20 Sent from my mobile device >From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 17:22:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0F7D3BE86; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 17:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=w6414oQMVArV8MGp6teQXiAHFw6Nd0MKoEpsmESWWiE=; b=kAKTWmpVTjlmekK5y2GKYcIJ/wvEjE5gK8i9ly0hWr7p4tDLoJWyvp2RMIcAFnutdy DHNMmbuwXobUfcaq1XjzvU2zDhPgZbvQkLSrySEJsrz7vcOHa+Qz39aJodrsn7KP6cs1 lwEZlHYy/7flYwjISG/bOoHXjFtDHj9PWWplU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=U/AmQB8kUOU5bJXop0Iql9ntw//K+xervGitvub+59ojkc5VY7kmhRP3SI7gpGKp0Q Ui67GZyRmEQVF2tqL5pay0QLTtdbgbVxAiby/sBDxJqa75QAXa8gmbX0a+Ot+VScKvIx BrtY1bkLrivwDAvBIZJsBszppAwghyTtsj6Mo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 10:22:51 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 17:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Daryl, et alia, Some more Frippmania, based on Master Fripp's New England performances in 2007, especially the Fall River, MA one (November 2, Narrows Center for the Arts, a VERY intimate venue, only seated about 150 people, we were literally 8 feet from Fripp on the stage). Photography was NOT permitted, but I was able to have a long discussion with his roadie about the gear and took copious notes on it. On the floor, Fripp WAS using a GR-1...he likes it because of the bell tone patch. He was using an Axxon in the rack, but he keeps that GR-1 down there on the floor, and a Roland US-20 for switching along with the Rocktron. Also in the rack was a GP-100, so he may have been using that as well in NYC. He has not publicly performed with his Les Pauls for something like 20 years (after he found out how much they were worth?). He has been known to use a signature model built by Ben Crowe's Crimson Guitars (a Les Paul-styled guitar) and Ben Crowe has prepared a number of the Les Paul's that he does use in the studio. There is a guitar-maker in New York (whose name I can't find immediately; it's in my notes elsewhere) whose electro-acoustic Fripp had with him, but he didn't play it in Fall River. I envy you guys up there getting to hear him! Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Ah sheesh, I was in a hurry to duck out and I didn't try to contact any > fellow loopers at the Fripp performance. Sorry, my peeps! I'll be there > again tomorrow night. > > Bob was using two pairs of Eventide boxes - I believe two H8000's and two > H7000's - plus five or six single-space units I couldn't identify. On the > ground was a blue Rocktron controller, three continuous controllers, and a > GR-1 (I believe). He played one Les Paul-shaped axe. > > Security was very firm about preventing photography, unfortunately... > > After three very formal bows to the audience, complete with grin, he sat and > did the soundscape thing. Very subtle, very slowly developing, and sometimes > so quiet as to be almost inaudible, which served to hush the (sizable) > crowd, if not the unending stream of bemused/confused Suits descending the > escalators alongside the atrium at all times. > > Even after all the ambient guitar stuff I've listened to over the years, he > still creates this stuff in a uniquely compelling way. I loved it. Looking > forward to catching another set. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 17:43:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8CB13BE80; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 17:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aG8+1oiYXEFsx44p51Aa6jhuZM/XN9eWUsccrtiJyI3p87Lz5+nXnsCwqwsvbs2h; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 12:43:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec791763aea149fb21eea5cd56842513ee37350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 17:43:08 +0000 (UTC) The headstock on Fripps Guitar looked large and ornate like the sort you would find on a a D'Angelico, but not like the headstock on the "Crimson" guitar website.. any ideas? >Daryl, et alia, > >Some more Frippmania, based on Master Fripp's New England performances >in 2007, especially the Fall River, MA one (November 2, Narrows Center >for the Arts, a VERY intimate venue, only seated about 150 people, we >were literally 8 feet from Fripp on the stage). Photography was NOT >permitted, but I was able to have a long discussion with his roadie >about the gear and took copious notes on it. > >On the floor, Fripp WAS using a GR-1...he likes it because of the bell >tone patch. He was using an Axxon in the rack, but he keeps that GR-1 >down there on the floor, and a Roland US-20 for switching along with >the Rocktron. > >Also in the rack was a GP-100, so he may have been using that as well in NYC. > >He has not publicly performed with his Les Pauls for something like 20 >years (after he found out how much they were worth?). He has been >known to use a signature model built by Ben Crowe's Crimson Guitars (a >Les Paul-styled guitar) and Ben Crowe has prepared a number of the Les >Paul's that he does use in the studio. There is a guitar-maker in New >York (whose name I can't find immediately; it's in my notes elsewhere) >whose electro-acoustic Fripp had with him, but he didn't play it in >Fall River. > >I envy you guys up there getting to hear him! > >Best, > >Dennis > >http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >http://audiozoloft.com >http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > >On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: >> Ah sheesh, I was in a hurry to duck out and I didn't try to contact any >> fellow loopers at the Fripp performance. Sorry, my peeps! I'll be there >> again tomorrow night. >> >> Bob was using two pairs of Eventide boxes - I believe two H8000's and two >> H7000's - plus five or six single-space units I couldn't identify. On the >> ground was a blue Rocktron controller, three continuous controllers, and a >> GR-1 (I believe). He played one Les Paul-shaped axe. >> >> Security was very firm about preventing photography, unfortunately... >> >> After three very formal bows to the audience, complete with grin, he sat and >> did the soundscape thing. Very subtle, very slowly developing, and sometimes >> so quiet as to be almost inaudible, which served to hush the (sizable) >> crowd, if not the unending stream of bemused/confused Suits descending the >> escalators alongside the atrium at all times. >> >> Even after all the ambient guitar stuff I've listened to over the years, he >> still creates this stuff in a uniquely compelling way. I loved it. Looking >> forward to catching another set. >> >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com >> >> -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 17:47:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F8F03BE80; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 17:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=BzJRq2ts4dh0rLbdqlRJ+FIJVdg3UbZAy5qN/MnxFab78E5m0qFn5PxxQwz5iHO4; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 12:47:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec792a28651b6f9a03af06c3f19ca7b8008f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 17:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Here is a photo: http://www.gaudela.net/gar/img/Robert_Fripp-02b.jpg -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 18:15:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09AAA3BE80; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 18:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 543842807/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.162/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.162 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtgBALYT+kxYbRei/2dsb2JhbAAHlRTOD4VJBI11 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,299,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="543842807" Message-ID: <4CFA855C.4070909@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 18:15:56 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: John Hefter this is how to unsubscribe...please References: <4CF82ED0.3050103@cruzio.com> <697424.70435.qm@web113418.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <697424.70435.qm@web113418.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 18:15:56 +0000 (UTC) hi John, To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com No-one on the list can do this for you. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 18:19:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B44F43BE81; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 18:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=pss1auqXAH5ExRgmnDyhGbRJBwUMwe/tsn9D0CbDU4c=; b=U+4LF5e1efO08mdUWGtEiLSNIgLAIUR/4XlHFaFyGem+abpo4SH4nCM3V0/FhyTOTF wBV3SnmrK+xv5NjL9LZKuuKF4jdvWrC9f6NvX2kZQC7pFI4FRpY9Mjx9ithWV91bGEzO rcahTdJEZ4+25Xlqb+oZjnuNr8u2uXLA3KA7Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=iR7BJXzWGZbh2I+5UBs9jYy1e6zGtsoGVbBwB2g4ar1yAm6o+gowsLD6mLgmQrVWM2 XaL8xqFmAZAFeigWLrEe+TlRU7rtICZvGOPnLbMjzN3hTXpsMVD/KyX0FbjR/tDXxtri 13GVHPT0TUXDPXHZDBR6ttXaUTM72ghLpSfTk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 13:19:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf304347a2a4dc12049699b3ad Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 18:19:58 +0000 (UTC) --20cf304347a2a4dc12049699b3ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As we drift into OT land :) I believe that is a Fernandes in this pic, another shot of one here: http://robertfripp.com/diaries.htm?diarist=3&entry=10112 http://www.fernandesguitars.com/monterey/monterey-elite-limited/405-monterey-elite-tremolo.html I found several places that give reference to him now using a Crimson Guitars sig, w/ sustainor/midi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fripp. Slimline or the hollow? j btw Chuck, thanks for the suggestions on the 2880 :) On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Here is a photo: > > http://www.gaudela.net/gar/img/Robert_Fripp-02b.jpg > > > -- > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > --20cf304347a2a4dc12049699b3ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As we drift into OT land :)

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I found several places that give reference to him now using a Crimson G= uitars sig, w/ sustainor/midi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fripp.=A0 Slimline or the = hollow?

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btw Chuck, thanks for the suggestions on the 2880 :)


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--20cf304347a2a4dc12049699b3ad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 21:37:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2372B3BE88; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 21:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=r11aBSr9XrLDzxuy8ImG4bVDWRn3NlNzuFvS0Bk4eeI=; b=AWWOFdlkeLZeSfvQRrJaJwKjumWwXQw2VgSCWuM7cnNIKFN6XhbvWh0CspaL4DroIH iaZy4V1n3sTLEMEHU7OOr+xxYWSwF1VLjstC2ex/FoIPIRnhB2MA61NcsiuPOlRbh/2B 5HdiYoWC05CWUIXApXhZZ6isx5pexezgjLr58= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=v4IYGXle+l4jDONVepZi+J7ET1flE6wJHxLfWIOJ8thKZa+wjfNIXnEDKLld33rEWF SYg6q32IL4tJ8Ms6AXTER3K5xj0tYinZ6oYDxGjriiJ+AtjZ/TXqbhoa7ltEAz6kVJd3 R+KBARmN44VNH3OU4k0N82xYutMOHo2ZNsDqg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 23:37:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a6b97cba6504969c760f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 21:37:35 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a6b97cba6504969c760f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229168559/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229137087/ Pictures from the Winter Garden --20cf3054a6b97cba6504969c760f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229168559/

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Pictures from the Winter Garden
--20cf3054a6b97cba6504969c760f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 21:40:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F6613BE80; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 21:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zw9nghfT2agnvHlONSPEPkkF94uPDAcsBhEeRdPS7vg=; b=d9YF8UuUmWybFB9pWBBoduGoxyypM8RfWYkeSLE4w8GgNpnS8j/whlqNggfcFDY6dq LUnvGsrutzsY7veC2n/dRG2cUiu9kEZun+XLKAI/gmxJ3DwXabnaY7XwVyeCydhr+REk w62WEFnfeftU3Nag0aTYla1luh4lldHNzxmbc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gUx2FAVaYtns2RKT32yOndjqjJg9RhkR66qmDoj8ZAMQtfexT8AFcaoml2giYPxSMz z+rsD/DqX4liQIAkI9h/uENuaBvW/j/Sj7iqzk4V8jmTt+cUdLbRCD+xhDutE2PXdF6+ Jsv6nRpmIY7KQqPvlvnRUYInon0gJsEWvEY0I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:40:24 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 21:40:25 +0000 (UTC) There is another guitar-maker who does "Les Paul"-style bodies that Fripp DID use in Fall River...that may be the same guitar used in the NYC concerts...definitely NOT a Fernandes (at least, not at that performance). So if you think he's playing an LP in NYC, he's probably playing that guitar. (Sorry, I've not dug my notes back out...I do have both the guitar-makers names there) Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > As we drift into OT land :) > > I believe that is a Fernandes in this pic, another shot of one here: > http://robertfripp.com/diaries.htm?diarist=3&entry=10112 > http://www.fernandesguitars.com/monterey/monterey-elite-limited/405-monterey-elite-tremolo.html > > I found several places that give reference to him now using a Crimson > Guitars sig, w/ sustainor/midi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fripp. > Slimline or the hollow? > > j > > btw Chuck, thanks for the suggestions on the 2880 :) > > > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Charles Zwicky > wrote: >> >> Here is a photo: >> >> http://www.gaudela.net/gar/img/Robert_Fripp-02b.jpg >> >> >> -- >> >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >> >> http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky >> >> http://albumcredits.com/zmix > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 4 21:45:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E62D23BE87; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 21:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QEEWLn+bLuwNNJhJJZcaXy1g96ZwW6kuTW8fqopM5IA=; b=Xgcscw0lEOtLZbWlNV8upyvqI694KHNKxWFArlDJzDCuyTQV1omNwgSwdIfAiCqvbr nyWji1AM4lPSQpUdYoYjvidebl4eioNqaq1g6TLExn++qbXc2pR2zNON4bhrnL+LiW6X apf29X7+bZieNH4s8fy1nlv6ARGqraI8vRefU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=tUjhUCwxDYEOeNQEJu5la/PxjtYK4CCzCNxeY5k8I33OX22WBSPB8P90V8ysS+k2NZ kRNEEbJpcaQY4Puq8zmsadib5T6DI8oezEhvPqzQ/YXBNAIXP1kDiNzER0YcsVGcM6I/ NSDhD+h1Mj30457Sb+Pl9rUUvin35e4QKlIGM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:44:02 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 21:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Hilarious! The poster has the image flipped! Congrats on snagging a shot of the rig! Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229168559/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229137087/ > > Pictures from the Winter Garden > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 05:00:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7131E3BE80; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 05:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=W1mjd1gDfyaoQzfcGPlAJFG7k3Sx40JISRyHtv0C7Rs=; b=tG6aT9k1jAbyFWaKf3ZAT8GiHcid4Jqa9qppWElJWuQuQQ8n2Txxe7ztNbzupXmpUD qyuU20FVgVXFMbY1eJyQ8UmaXxF8pHIGSWYOK11wVKWN/Q9NiNQk2oTMj9ySk6WAj+Hl LPKMVcIxtF5U5aYPY4Z/ElKU7lmRVtoTBDfQI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nGENoD8CcHshV1PgXJjgMxRY4XS1ZiyTBZXv4bdDlgL4FxQucdTe1OdCY5x4pEMCka QgpIl7bzJjPnB2wRY0VBE54+qS9O7a7mOA5gMcc6kTBYfs6DXcjTJXNrkRnv8iKSldLz ZFyAtwxMLUsEs/uRhWMWK5zEsFPPF/8+XqnOk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 00:00:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6adb65cd0ae0496a2a6ba Resent-Message-ID: <2nafCB.A.pxB.rxx-MB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 05:00:28 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6adb65cd0ae0496a2a6ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 from top to bottom: rack number one: H3500 H3500 rack number two: eclipse kurzweil pc2r * axon ax100 * sound sculpture switchblade gl rack number three: H8000 H8000 rack number four: peterson stroborack furman ar-20 ii * denotes being "pretty sure" that's enough processing oomph to kill a horse. pretty good show. definitely worth the trek from bed-stuy. - jim --000e0cd6adb65cd0ae0496a2a6ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable from top to bottom:

rack number one:
H3500
H3500

rack number two:
eclipse
kurzweil pc2r *
axon ax100 *
sound sculpture switchblade gl

rack number three:
H8000
H8000

rack number four:
peterson stroborack
furman ar-20 ii

* denotes being "pretty sure"

that's enough processing oomph to kill a horse.

pretty good show.=A0 definitely worth the trek from bed-stuy.

- jim --000e0cd6adb65cd0ae0496a2a6ba-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 06:45:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56D563BE79; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 06:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=5 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012040196 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-05_01:2010-12-04,2010-12-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 From: Daniel Berkman Subject: Softstep Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 22:45:33 -0800 Message-id: <7866F728-4191-499B-8AEB-277D979C30E7@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: <2WXCxB.A.L_D.QUz-MB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 06:45:36 +0000 (UTC) I just got my first Softstep. Beautiful! Anyone know how to connect it to Sooperlooper? Zoe Keating, maybe? It anyone has insight, please share! -Daniel Berkman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 07:25:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F04C3BE84; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 07:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=m9BPrPpOtTtmmWvesQGKfaBP/ckybVVwI6TD6B5+Xrw=; b=tTncARdqxhe15Wvn4TytzSDmZ7SAEHhFtj3jer0glt8b0xCTXZMygt/Y5CFH1W1D2n x13Qpdni7X5+aVIjp76hVjC8dOQWI2KutzK/bmgKv4+22/fT9ZcYCBoVGQHgLh8n7fSE +TCgB86G7xnVo+1IqKyzNv9LU/AZGgqbtyh0Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=D6jqadEJedRICs2DDRVX4uvT1EgyUZEEW7ZZt+NbjVih8R8cCDqBQg+ncloxZN3V0a 9mE4bKQukSBDF8YAneJe0ZH3l6NMsyXA6f5YRYJsNTt8/qbEjNeNkxGMGvaN4TLk+lDP S5ZYlXJ81veUS8xZYoWIgXtlW34y8DP0AW92Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20101204054743.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.08628b0b09.wbe@email00.secureserver.net> References: <20101204054743.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.08628b0b09.wbe@email00.secureserver.net> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 15:25:33 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reyn vs Blaudzun From: halim zainal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364eeab653b56c0496a4ad0d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 07:25:35 +0000 (UTC) --0016364eeab653b56c0496a4ad0d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My God! That was awesome. On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:47 PM, wrote: > 'midnight room' is beautiful. thanks for this... > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Reyn vs Blaudzun > From: Reyn Ouwehand > Date: Tue, November 30, 2010 9:43 am > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Made a little Echoplex setup for this concert! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r9j2H9_e00 > > Enjoy! > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > ___________ > www.reyn.net > www.reyn.vs.reyn.net > > management: www.lalalamanagement.nl > twitter/facebook/youtube: ReynOuwehand > > --0016364eeab653b56c0496a4ad0d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My God! That was awesome.

On Sat, Dec 4, = 2010 at 8:47 PM, <fh@flatheadband.com> wrote:
'midnight room' is beautiful.=A0 thanks for this...
<= br>
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Reyn vs Blaudzun
From: Reyn Ouwehand <loopers-delight@reyn.net>
Date: Tue, November 30, 2010 9:43 am
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Made a little Echoplex setup for this concert!

= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D_r9j2H9_e00

Enjoy!

Cheers,

Reyn

___________
www.reyn.net
www.reyn.vs.reyn.= net

management: ww= w.lalalamanagement.nl
twitter/facebook/youtube: ReynOuwehand


--0016364eeab653b56c0496a4ad0d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 08:08:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F1543BE79; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 08:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1291536516; bh=b9PHBi7frM6hGOl8grnun80PZaN4ag1iPbMJFhakTJE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=44P9cFa72sjpIsgEK1/kM7681yoJHzYPM/tOm+Y8l1GFa9BrYaDXY19kTqvaRruevWtPJCEfaijaWDgN7otWPqaEfY7yE6AEQ0KMuA2w+Htg1n39ulhjaai+lf7RCh08KWIS7e+7F4fWfpUKv9EFjG+5Ul1tAXI7S1t9OiBOlHM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UKod3cgWuJH5xnQrKLYX6+MaizKBhdY0tJO1NYC0wEZpM3qhjiByKdDUgIJPDBsYf3hNjlB48MVTNJv7oYeBWB1qeQZUL6JU8o2xfv4hDqWn5F4ehr7ohq3N7ubNJEXB2SHgikogSevu3MDac9ItSCNNeOqy5XaJU0d1eq04zJM=; Message-ID: <944532.71733.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nYjbeE8VM1nkbcykCq0y1RgtuxCzR1fGJ8Qn3_7B4cM1hBR bVrQDjM96Ag18Rc6r5G.URDov26A3zTSpDQc6I8Wh.82V.1R1KAaeptotIRd 3gL71vFUqt5rOO3zTjTuUIbRDO4eEWi0KvaU.t3lrX86uoXviQGT8EtuEZDr g_LGgWhKitvP1FDQsEcVX3CYfJ0cnlAgF3CTDlG2M9g5dQ0hxei0hX6bhD5G ydgCBn4cUpF8fNVAetAw4vIcs_jPUDc1KY3QJv5kTYl26syjdPbYN26B3_Ms Cc9DykLWjdlSMKAx5FiumQ3RUPpGA.br0sw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <4CF82ED0.3050103@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 00:08:36 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-236221830-1291536516=:71733" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 08:08:39 +0000 (UTC) --0-236221830-1291536516=:71733 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey there is still hope... Antony ________________________________ From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 1:59:40 AM Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping re Rick's comment: like this cool track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqGHoIaVGKY --0-236221830-1291536516=:71733 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
hey there is still hope...

Antony

From: Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 1:59:40 AM
Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping

re Rick's comment: like this cool track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqGHoIaVGKY



--0-236221830-1291536516=:71733-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 10:59:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B3C13BE84; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 10:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bS55lnKm1k8VdpaBg3o4IiNMyMYNF4eB8D66yh1xYxg=; b=mrxLlaEaly+BSjG7xKBvizA2X4is6XaSfaFdqWqh/lAGhlcqmKVTEfr5aDbZvIkUtW +36Tl1cOQI64wMI6+DZqFzA/R09nBYOi7P9fo0CgnCEDNUsyAXid14njgQwZr31Wa9ih QHsMOVIMmNn2whBp7OkuZuk4H7Tw+ekFSOQOA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=DPnUGxpEKaRklMHPepDSGkh6PP+VXVTkhA72VCUhiYwG/+l9PdR5uJPkSDyZ5Mq54p eV6va8Od8q0AB4QijKI+h0vxO3L9qgYxJV345dmqj1GwBkvcEOFh3+A5Va6esXHtawVB 4BLQeiI3hb5vcaa+GIrgqgSn1aFkvH+Rpo6Kc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20101204054743.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.08628b0b09.wbe@email00.secureserver.net> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 11:59:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reyn vs Blaudzun From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 10:59:45 +0000 (UTC) > Made a little Echoplex setup for this concert! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r9j2H9_e00 > > Enjoy! Excellent music, Reyn! Brings back a flavor from the early Genesis days :-) I really enjoyed this tune! It definitely is about music rather than about looping here. Looping being used in a smart way to reduce the number of musicians without sacrificing any part of that great music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 11:00:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C36B53BE87; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 11:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jEjdv4v/NYzvTHcUexjPbrO24uCyB36+leXN3tDC2OI=; b=hckQR1L5d5/lg4Et+fCA/YXGZCtqe1Od2W42mqQUdKl78uZW2BAlEwGsTJa9k6jsUX QNtp/7kMcw7VPyfvYa0k+eSFo8N3D77/cdteiRI+4Q7xC8pH3ZHqiiCDjrsIHjwREyBm rHPxTQj8D+I+52W6kvLv/5oqBGHCfXlvWhqdw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jR2rFn8karCdi9NlIaYKryaHT6Qwxc3HzGdXdtOwwGXXCPCPKPlsH0kTEaHhgA16gm cztBNSDRaZCAxH5Cgk+Jbt9X9K5IuXybPRavwyVhNw+V9o5sVfvonRn1Vy8LOLOl7+hl URdp9WW/KUr57+U7hV7rk/YOXGvCg+lF0n060= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7866F728-4191-499B-8AEB-277D979C30E7@mac.com> References: <7866F728-4191-499B-8AEB-277D979C30E7@mac.com> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 12:00:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Softstep From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 11:00:47 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Daniel Berkman wrote: > I just got my first Softstep. Beautiful! > Anyone know how to connect it to Sooperlooper? USB. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 13:08:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 493573BE84; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:08:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bMEXimlXqa7AIcyMn+yIl0EIJtwMtRBWSQegaegZr60=; b=aYzQbV80ApZRKgiWnIrxGiGIRqL963tfBaHTdurLntt9oEfiCV8wzz55nxAFLt1EVw f4W/I5O44tmLajFhqT2BmHrmjVK4fmDWz0shRy/B/OErq9E4j/lc4L4y0/efs6X3dqv0 xsQuYRiRO+2vRcWT+aPQVE+KaG9Qrde2H+2YQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=BYRdepP8DhqK7KgWQRum8Owabm/r1bqdEJkge5ROhJ7TyNQXQRLX+urAIdLFACSLR7 wfdJpMLoqyeRR8H9LeTVa6cbIxvt/dkV/zkBHoX4Vy6S9uOuF5WtIlVD4evNJJqFgVKS W+0gyRexzZe4JSoO6ryINNDP7eEokU3ANy7YQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 15:08:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: On loud buttons From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a2e9d1fb2a0496a976db Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:08:15 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a2e9d1fb2a0496a976db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cant seem to find when searching old posts, the threads about what should one do to loud button sounds on stompboxes... any suggestions on the matter... ?? -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a2e9d1fb2a0496a976db Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cant seem to find when searching old posts, the threads about what should o= ne do to loud button sounds on stompboxes...
any suggestions on the matt= er... ??

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--20cf3054a2e9d1fb2a0496a976db-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 13:11:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 139063BE86; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5GV/FX/wP/YvM5h2bPKRxgsoxWgqb/3FDuwSsXzu/mY=; b=r96mREk8XiOhKSoxXfgCeirM+QWoYcLqzORCIZBPkEsMqUumjRm1gj7MnA4LZgybUh pIdaup0IjrZ6bLGhGbdtsqgOjzFYWv8S37IwkQGjCuMgV/Ep2lw5P+yKUgT2VWoRiQjv qG/N/jp95yUK75ISHmQuu8qrWgvBMcJoWmgns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=vVa58Q94PS0lIqgNqb9aw98rtTvgKnZ1lVP9w5mJ5qK+UZoCR1mbAQyqeBHwCinjQB zArcz1zcv9zQgbqm6RRCaMjXCuQKbi0g+NcsXjGcp5lk0OVegtP5b/IAFT4AR6M3OJdF 5cCXtkJfvj1Ccz3r6ZwGWmprD9RTKU0QYwdbY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 15:11:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5baf90f74860496a984d3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:11:56 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5baf90f74860496a984d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Pics were not mine, caught the link on Sid Smith posts to DGM 2010/12/4 Dennis Moser > Hilarious! The poster has the image flipped! > > Congrats on snagging a shot of the rig! > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229168559/ > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229137087/ > > > > Pictures from the Winter Garden > > > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --001636c5baf90f74860496a984d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pics were not mine, caught the link on Sid Smith posts to DGM

2010/12/4 Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com><= br>
Hilarious! The poster has the image flipped!

Congrats on snagging a shot of the rig!

Best,

Dennis

http://soundclo= ud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com=
http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/



On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Petri Lahtinen <aikuinen@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229168559/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229137087/
>
> Pictures from the Winter Garden
>




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http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.c= om/
http://www.myspace.com/pet= rilahtinen
http://twitt= er.com/PetriLahtinen
= http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
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"Only become pr= ofessional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
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"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-
--001636c5baf90f74860496a984d3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 13:32:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2FCD3BE8B; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 544171684/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.73/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.73 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtEBAJcj+0xYbRtJ/2dsb2JhbAAHlRTMEYVJBI11 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,302,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="544171684" Message-ID: <4CFB9480.4030000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 13:32:48 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: On loud buttons References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 13:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Cant seem to find when searching old posts, the threads about what > should one do to loud button sounds on stompboxes... > any suggestions on the matter... ?? > Not really a lot you can do. 1) Replace with quieter button. 2) May help to fix damping materials to the inside of the stompbox, they tend to operate like a soundboard. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 14:08:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA4C73BE8B; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1291558089; bh=nVrzbBVLnSmYEH1mB3Ij1Mmtgi9tOZ7y54CcHS2AWcw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nG1RoyvqXGGbuBhj2g1jYHNOiUoI8t84qX81WQH0r6Cj+ZSNjCGk3yFpCwPAnewu/Hfp91CgTCx06oWJWeb1fwEH6Ams0r026w2TZ3ZDb8eT83nS1geHB2AdHqoDO2skhMUegmzxHjJ66Vw5FdFuvamAhcsOmIczNSkxiOhg4K8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=26qBWXUSjpQGsVkw1cBurtCKraAsP1Fqs6OKjDDxQF6vNHtW60JOi8rJkbAF1euZJo3jKd6CEjAgaQzsXKfCSfuWdeUJXjRtdlK8MjKkDr6b11nTGqkCKs0cv6oX9yxCJZi/JmJg82NutdM3TM9mZtuJ+IZzbUdbUavyXD6uAhs=; Message-ID: <778242.53658.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: sRdBymoVM1mbRjEAkFqLJ0hB8awAiVpHyPDFZysgE4N1ANS dPLJQfWJHBRbNjla1h05E5eP4QIVu5A7IxCGMnc90v2PgpeuWKjHV_8CSsoQ QjBJNxRiGMGNQuhzVGjUtXRH2erH2RssrKAgnlXNEV8_2MWANJPAB5Wr.OYP UHguA0Fwju_hj9VYkw.Uxp3KgITBEPATRo2VPBDlJgnbDIXv8bTUp3bbo92S DTlMOg.0TU3lGoulgv7qvDUwpUrpSef1kayfSA28DBac6pWUbWV4NuaxxSom ZekKrelBhMPSOV5lGigjIg3X.h1Ov6TBSAQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <4CFB9480.4030000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 06:08:09 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: On loud buttons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4CFB9480.4030000@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-267470365-1291558089=:53658" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:08:11 +0000 (UTC) --0-267470365-1291558089=:53658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii play louder! Antony ________________________________ From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 2:32:48 PM Subject: Re: On loud buttons Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Cant seem to find when searching old posts, the threads about what should one >do to loud button sounds on stompboxes... > any suggestions on the matter... ?? > Not really a lot you can do. 1) Replace with quieter button. 2) May help to fix damping materials to the inside of the stompbox, they tend to operate like a soundboard. andy --0-267470365-1291558089=:53658 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
play louder!

Antony


From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 2:32:48 PM
Subject: Re: On loud buttons

Petri Lahtinen wrote:
> Cant seem to find when searching old posts, the threads about what should one do to loud button sounds on stompboxes...
> any suggestions on the matter... ??
>

Not really a lot you can do.

1) Replace with quieter button.

2) May help to fix damping materials to the inside of the stompbox,
  they tend to operate like a soundboard.

andy


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:O)

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 2:08 PM, <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:

play louder!

Antony

--0015175745d65df1be0496aaef4d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 14:59:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B11893BE94; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1291561159; bh=iSooqy51IhORc3G3NXtruM7slarGG3sXPy4bYuwnjFc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=j+Tu8w4+kF/Ro5RKt8TfmhGIGJrgYtlUjNUkceb9KHBsb7hEUlw5s+v/t3wlUOkjL2M3wMYJj4wu/Mgmfm/lN8pFcjLzTyJlmqUdTJ/YVhSEniZmuyA1wdmDP9i4vuLqEjBY3LeaFvuNbJkoq6A5mbSV7N9fxpvZjpRcmL+HZEY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ptn0biwMyrBCz+SAvKeHZNSlVqx5Yguz9RupWrEGloHiQFy0rsJHFnYGpDkH92X27T9d4VZxUEp3qZ5exkAY/0FArG8FoM4H7F5mV760I444mY8L1MAhZLLZieTqv8JnUvRB3BzKIRij49gzJ14it/sBHbqRPw0a4TDEwcE0qqA=; Message-ID: <737664.87445.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3PPM0wQVM1mz07bGzrU2pT0fwtW1To7yIRSmnplfIHdOL8x 0JXEy.jSaXgu45uiM9b4ueDWqtCdeXtmKN6wEituwVVjy1IF5PNJLztaWQd7 3uTf2eAaBK6v9Ke.n87vzJn9hLg0tAIxiJs1oyeApAUvFEfpa4fRTcge5qLM 79VLmHUIBBmM4oQjlJwyI.5TqKO7rN6VD1dYF1qdKLt0Q3JUYpbfYiqHFIw1 SeYaJEnPqYYPP3FFC0v9blcpd5ZXJmnsgHW61rUKfkikjYEpxkKiPwgC.m0V qRK4la8pNOP8AaKssnivw X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <4CFB9480.4030000@tiscali.co.uk> <778242.53658.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 06:59:19 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: On loud buttons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-130309914-1291561159=:87445" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:59:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-130309914-1291561159=:87445 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hate loud buttons, I cannot understand why no one has made a quiet foot controller. There is a japanese musician who made his own, but it's not on the market... Antony ________________________________ From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 3:53:31 PM Subject: Re: On loud buttons this! :O) On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 2:08 PM, wrote: play louder! Antony > --0-130309914-1291561159=:87445 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I hate loud buttons, I cannot understand why no one has made a quiet foot controller. There is a japanese musician who made his own, but it's not on the market...

Antony


From: Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 3:53:31 PM
Subject: Re: On loud buttons

this!

:O)

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 2:08 PM, <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:

play louder!

Antony


--0-130309914-1291561159=:87445-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 15:48:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 687AF3BE8D; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 15:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MwWabWbqD7Y6ipI4hQRGTr5HJezWRbzKpkk3zkOP/7k=; b=B8XFUMEAcAyu0yGmyR5V1WmGnHLAsI+2AHq29UeMqIdZrmUBEbWz9fuk4p1SIzKB4K YXznl+W/wnpWUGhseks+xeSCnBJ75W/BrZyJjqRh53Nf4P+xcoRoiERu03uW//+PKo6U BuPyJqI+m5MwjpRWDCKUCAzg5Bntur1bfF10U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZK7iu2UB+Am9bZK2/jqlToYcJmtUZqkE0tiKIXpIqoARDT//H0ArdiFGlRN1l6Tm+/ xshempJ78NnZcfnv7kYt0VImG38rcbkHj2XsHNzgSFMn9NSn50RnYaOm29NaOE0vYIku 7aOe7yXsma2jza7UUO6MmCaIao/iYO6ju5Izk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4CF82ED0.3050103@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:48:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question about electronic drums and Mac looping From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016368e1dde2015cc0496abb481 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 15:48:47 +0000 (UTC) --0016368e1dde2015cc0496abb481 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 just watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH6hzTh3YHc&playnext=1&list=PL8D1AC2320F6A700C&index=19 it can certainly can save you hours of drum miking,any recomendations on drum midi kit controllers? On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > i can vouch for that. i use battery quite a lot and have used the NI studio > drums, synthetic drums and various others in my music. i used some on my > latest album. the tune called "the space between breaths" used a jazz kit > and the tune called "here and now" used one of the studio kits (can't > remember which one). i programmed the drums for both tunes completely from > scratch. i'm sure a drummer would be able to tell that they are programmed, > but they sound ok, i think. they have enough velocity levels that you can > get some pretty realistic stuff going, if you have the patience to program > with that much detail. > > sim > > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Louie Angulo > wrote: > >> what about lets say using NI battery or such software for recording? im >> really curious about this,im sure nothing tops a real drummer,but this >> programs offer amazing sounds and save you so much miking time when >> producing,im really curious how many professional recordings on the radio >> have produced hits this way,and im not talking about electronic drums,im >> talikng about acoustic sample drums they are so realisitic is scarry! i >> think i would really have a problem nowdays telling the difference and >> though it might sound weird, i think some drummers are really being >> challenged with this type of sampled software,though it takes some finger >> practice and drum producing understanding no doubt;-) >> cheers >> Luis >> >> >> --0016368e1dde2015cc0496abb481 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just watch this:

http://= www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DyH6hzTh3YHc&playnext=3D1&list=3DPL8D1AC23= 20F6A700C&index=3D19

it can certainly can save you hours of drum miking,any recomendations o= n drum midi kit controllers?

On Sat, Dec = 4, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> = wrote:
i can vouch for t= hat. i use battery quite a lot and have used the NI studio drums, synthetic= drums and various others in my music. i used some on my latest album. the = tune called "the space between breaths" used a jazz kit and the t= une called "here and now" used one of the studio kits (can't = remember which one). i programmed the drums for both tunes completely from = scratch. i'm sure a drummer would be able to tell that they are program= med, but they sound ok, i think. they have enough velocity levels that you = can get some pretty realistic stuff going, if you have the patience to prog= ram with that much detail.

sim


On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@goo= glemail.com> wrote:
what about lets say using NI battery or such software for recording? im rea= lly curious about this,im sure nothing tops a real drummer,but this program= s offer amazing sounds and save you so much miking time when producing,im r= eally curious how many professional recordings on the radio have produced h= its this way,and im not talking about electronic drums,im talikng about aco= ustic sample drums they are so realisitic is scarry! i think i would really= have a problem nowdays telling the difference and though it might sound we= ird, i think some drummers are really being challenged with this type of sa= mpled software,though it takes some finger practice and drum producing unde= rstanding no doubt;-)
cheers
Luis



--0016368e1dde2015cc0496abb481-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 16:11:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5332E3BE90; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4CFBB9A3.8040709@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 11:11:15 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: The Soundscapes Concert Series Presents Chuck Van Zyl TODAY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:11:19 +0000 (UTC) TODAY, Sunday, December 5, the Soundscapes Concert Series returns to the Nazareth Center for the Arts with Chuck Van Zyl. Best known as host of Star's End and as coordinator of The Gatherings, Chuck van Zyl has also been making his own unique style of electronic music since 1985. Inspired by the electronic spacemusic of the mid '70s, it was the mentoring of Nightcrawlers founder Peter Gulch that empowered van Zyl to start producing his own music. This lead to the release of a series of cassettes which formed the basis of albums released by Centaur Records in the mid 1990s. Doors open at 7:30 pm and the concert is at 8:00 pm. The concert is free. Donations are requested to support the musician and to enable the Nazareth Center for the Arts to pay operating expenses. The NCA is located at 30 Belvidere Street, Nazareth, PA 18064 just off of Route 191 on the southwest corner of Belvidere Street and South Spruce Street. Check the NCA site for parking information. The Soundscapes Concert Series is the concert companion to the Galactic Travels radio program on WDIY-FM and to Thought Radio on WMUH-FM and presents electronic music to the Lehigh Valley. This is the concert series that presented Robert Rich (California), vidnaObmana (Belgium), The Ministry of Inside Things (Philadelphia), Richard Lainhart (New York), Orbital Decay (Quakertown), Modulator ESP (UK), Mikronesia (Philadelphia), The Tangent Project (Philadelphia), Technicolor Travel Agency (Poconos), and Twyndyllyngs (Lehigh Valley) to local audiences. Cheers, Bill http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 16:19:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A11BC3BE90; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=uBssf7DnAAAA:8 a=m2PQbbAWAAAA:8 a=eDkURRPH8acQ0P2YS9kA:9 a=rwFX2QKRqTasiGCxyKmGq_pzV7EA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: <03B497F2-990F-49B2-B0CF-BC16BCDCC718@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <86A3B9EA-2296-424A-81D3-0E4945A07437@reyn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Reyn vs Blaudzun Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 08:19:48 -0800 References: <86A3B9EA-2296-424A-81D3-0E4945A07437@reyn.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Pretty doggone marvelous that! Thanks for sharing. On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:43 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > Made a little Echoplex setup for this concert! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r9j2H9_e00 > > Enjoy! > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > ___________ > www.reyn.net > www.reyn.vs.reyn.net > > management: www.lalalamanagement.nl > twitter/facebook/youtube: ReynOuwehand From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 5 16:50:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47AF23BE94; Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0b08efb8-a10f-4437-bf4f-6ced2f4698b8_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.3.187] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: On loud buttons Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:50:54 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <737664.87445.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <4CFB9480.4030000@tiscali.co.uk> <778242.53658.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ,<737664.87445.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2010 16:50:54.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[953D6970:01CB949C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:50:56 +0000 (UTC) --_0b08efb8-a10f-4437-bf4f-6ced2f4698b8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the reason why I still use an old zoom 8080 pedal for midi - silent= but positive switches - its about 12 years old now and still with the same= battery... =20 peace =20 G =20 =20 =20 =20 Date: Sun=2C 5 Dec 2010 06:59:19 -0800 From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: On loud buttons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I hate loud buttons=2C I cannot understand why no one has made a quiet foot= controller. There is a japanese musician who made his own=2C but it's not = on the market... Antony From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sun=2C December 5=2C 2010 3:53:31 PM Subject: Re: On loud buttons this! :O) On Sun=2C Dec 5=2C 2010 at 2:08 PM=2C wrote: play louder! Antony = --_0b08efb8-a10f-4437-bf4f-6ced2f4698b8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the reason why I still use an old zoom 8080 pedal for midi - silent= but positive switches - its about 12 years old now and still with the same= battery...
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I hate loud buttons=2C I cannot understand why no one has made a quiet f= oot controller. There is a japanese musician who made his own=2C but it's n= ot on the market...

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From: Simeon Harris <=3Bs= imeonharris40@googlemail.com>=3B
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Subject: Re: On loud buttons<= BR>
this!

:O)

On Sun=2C Dec 5=2C 2010 at 2:08 PM=2C <=3Banton= yhequet@yahoo.com>=3B wrote:

play louder!

Antony=


= --_0b08efb8-a10f-4437-bf4f-6ced2f4698b8_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 22:28:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1360318347E; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qHGmzSgSi6ZLNvzBUYWDG9ELJJRNEfqXABOTAJtdOkM=; b=Z4xIfPKyyADU8+MVxV2eTgg+JUk+h0DDi37zCX7aF5PMbtVGkfgCFiYVD5K3IRxfY+ xYA5xWrWpJBO7DOBcV8ST8NrX64jDO8O7/JQETlg361ex5ZddzccOJvZOaGx/Cd77uyX BYlQKMSY0ARS3NAnMe6JBliYr3xnMtkwolemU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZDEQA0keNq8EDa/Vg6jdER2t+Op1hvUaK1TKffkts2jVQ5PHr7Y19s5AEJgsQ69yYt fMdhzKlMyCpUPdWTeChvk8bt56TIcNa02aQ01k8WdArEuXv8c4+9uoHNkOwHPPvLxQS1 8llOLBnfFaCZ2+bPPcCXrImwbZf+QUAALyWkk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4CFD2772.3000602@googlemail.com> References: <21CC64DB-A445-4EFD-9FBF-253A7C9AE813@baymoon.com> <4CFD2772.3000602@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 17:20:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: To Robert with love From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <8TJwXD.A.GMC.XRr_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Who, in turn, borrowed it from all those passacaglias of the late Renaissance and early Baroque ... :P Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > David Grego schrieb: >> >> Please consider also that he 'borrowed' the concept from Mr Eno. > > ...who in turn borrowed it from Terry Riley, who got it from his tech. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 22:28:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF4A6183483; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 500 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Tue, 07 Dec 2010 22:23:14 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_dba9b907-b1af-4e2a-9f88-dbdb9b534fce_" X-Originating-IP: [67.85.0.195] From: David Grego To: Subject: RE: To Robert with love Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:17:47 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4CFD2772.3000602@googlemail.com> References: <21CC64DB-A445-4EFD-9FBF-253A7C9AE813@baymoon.com> ,<4CFD2772.3000602@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2010 19:17:47.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[443AE410:01CB957A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:27:44 +0000 (UTC) --_dba9b907-b1af-4e2a-9f88-dbdb9b534fce_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Da. Yep. Thank you. That is just about the total 'Tree of Life' sum and dif= ference.=20 > Date: Mon=2C 6 Dec 2010 19:12:02 +0100 > From: moinsound@googlemail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: To Robert with love >=20 > David Grego schrieb: > > Please consider also that he 'borrowed' the concept from Mr Eno.=20 > ...who in turn borrowed it from Terry Riley=2C who got it from his tech. >=20 > Rainer >=20 > --=20 > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >=20 = --_dba9b907-b1af-4e2a-9f88-dbdb9b534fce_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Da. Yep. Thank you. That is just about the total 'Tree of Life' sum and dif= ference. =3B

>=3B Date: Mon=2C 6 Dec 2010 19:12:02 +0100
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>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com
>=3B Subject: Re: To Robert with love
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>=3B = David Grego schrieb:
>=3B >=3B Please consider also that he 'borrowe= d' the concept from Mr Eno.
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= --_dba9b907-b1af-4e2a-9f88-dbdb9b534fce_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 22:29:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5D66183499; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:content-type; bh=FGnJ2dha2KkNZk+7cRvGdsPyMw4TlR27xXA1bJ3Iois=; b=bNGRF1QDAYa02mRJc+gZFtqAjk6NGju8psb5HqWNg/t+tnGUE6oJovGHcLOyRMPFpI HZ6rnaDGEQXcPFNcvCIJlVpIYutTlvs4qfoxFAn8fgEDzTq7uqymVGW0u8nrNEcWOTLd geGwC6d4tLmAEay3n6z4OqTT6ydqRKskS9Mxs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:content-type; b=nN2Y1gG6TYf/rIC7/0qXmkD8YWAh+fGePp4YX6sPEZ0yFAOmPftNomNiVreiIdJrR6 SvnXxoa1RBHaoh1UupeGNuR8c6BsDjmDMzshp7qUNhR/6KV7BAML4btq/CFD77G8BjfV EME+1jB5UWdcInrdbMJDAWkaWsfRZJ0+4wo0s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:09:38 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dbHtUszKyt3ElzuZsXdPpjuxYpg Message-ID: Subject: Do you like Doggies? From: daniel Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba4fd25add9f5f0496d98752 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:29:05 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba4fd25add9f5f0496d98752 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Happy Everyone!! This coming weekend is Polk Fest 4at All Asia in Cambridge, MA! I'll be playing a short acoustic set on Sunday with dear ol' buddy and great musician Dave Ladon (The Doctors Fox). On Thursday, December 16th at 9:00pm, the most holy of unholy aural love making will commence. I, Daniel Harris, will be performing two sets (one solo ambient, the other featuring Josh Kiggans (drums) and Dave Ladon (bass/vocals) from The Doctors Fox) sandwiching Los Doggies . This is not a show to be missed. My first set will be a solo ambient set and the second will feature Josh Kiggans (drums) and Dave Ladon (bass/vocals) from The Doctors Fox. Los Doggies is from New Paltz, NY and is comprised of the brothers Stormo, Evan and Jesse, and Matt Ross . The cost of admission: your presence. www.danielharris.bandcamp.com www.losdoggies.com Savant Project 1625 Tremont St Boston, MA special guest IANSANITY !! Please visit my bandcamp site and download music! Share the link around! www.danielharris.bandcamp.com love, daniel --90e6ba4fd25add9f5f0496d98752 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Everyone!!

This coming weekend is Polk Fest 4 at All Asia in Cambridge, MA! I'll be play= ing a short acoustic set on Sunday with dear ol' buddy and great musici= an Dave Ladon (The Doctors Fox<= /a>).



On Thursday, December 16th at 9:00pm, t= he most holy of unholy aural love making will commence. I, Daniel Harris, will be performing two= sets (one solo ambient, the other featuring Josh Kiggans (drums) and Dave = Ladon (bass/vocals) from The Doctors Fox) sandwiching Los Doggies. This is not a sh= ow to be missed.

My first set will be a solo ambient set and the second will feature Jos= h Kiggans (drums) and Dave Ladon (bass/vocals) from The Doctors Fox.

Los Doggies is from New Paltz, NY and is comprised of the brothers Stor= mo, Evan and Jesse, and Matt Ross= .

The cost of admission: your presence.

www.danielharris.bandcamp= .com
www.losdoggies.com

Savant Project
1625 Tremont St
Boston, MA

special guest IANSANITY!= !


Please visit my bandcamp site and download music! Share the li= nk around!

www.danielharris.bandcamp.com


love,
daniel

--90e6ba4fd25add9f5f0496d98752-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 22:40:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66CD8183490; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 251230.26391.bm@omp1029.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1291666076; bh=hLG6lG8kCG1LEwYafYub6S4KykKahNlOhKHdTOPcH6g=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Hn2d8pj724rrThzoF6wTiKeS3wR/UcxU7i4Tls487PWGXpg6Sewc/cVirDcnDeSM+w3fB384EKDddCiGgOq3MpAFwD5EIjozTWJK3uPeAMVYk7H9MAmk8shUHHXX2Ukax7Ef2leY/+7GZzQhocpbkturnXPCHCAo9I3yyyQIx/I= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kshimrbKSDKVPPE9h2muF4TlaFMktI+7yiUlU4UnfS/+apwUUFbMPp4Lyv+bkj5JZCPsMviOam4qN1OpYEHBsLN9qNMhJ8s8voHdy0/DuJOafOA3hJb/3EhsYZVKVdafVpl+A2b8Db9p3ZTrMqakTZfuzqWUtQPETESWyCJZn4c=; Message-ID: <66750.10186.qm@web59706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: cus6iI8VM1lbeNZPd5GYG3JDwfE6UZJyQg53FsCgjpkY6ns wsjzQpovUOgnXgjFSfbH6dOLuK.ESLLHSbPcO.w3sLXjJOcXVwrNQh.KaPiq JUKs.mpJLnbVJ1RJZadw5CoDwLw7eL9M5MAocIx_rNPIKPL.p4M8MpXkud0_ .vrw9g7GfIeqoGkGSJ56lgKzWZBnXemw5MZ1EdJtWwwHstu2Pr1FPa__HaoI Kc_uL_OwyyyKWaQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <695204D4-BDFA-492E-BE99-2F4A5954FFB6@frontier.com> <4CFCE5A5.8070709@cruzio.com> <4CFD2010.4050604@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:07:56 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Wellington Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4CFD2010.4050604@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:40:54 +0000 (UTC) > Let me ask you this, then: Suppose you had three (or two, or one) H8000(s): > What would you do with them that you can't do with what you have at your >disposal and that would really bring forward what you do musically? Well... OK, maybe I'm a bit biased... I own two Eventide units, a GTR4000 with the big sampling option, and an H8000FW, and I am the maintainer of vSigX, the Harmonizer(tm) patch editor for the Mac. I do not work for Eventide, but they have lent me an Eclipse for testing... I don't know what Fripp does with his, but I can do things with my Harmonizers that I can't do with any other standalone hardware effects unit. The Harmonizer is completely modular. Any of the 200+ effects modules can be put in any order, and the audio and control routings are completely flexible. With vSigX, I can completely program my effects patches with about the same level of control as my modular analog synth gives me. (And I have *way* more money invested in my modular than I do in the Harmonizers!) Another way to think of it is that the Harmonizer is the Nord Modular of effects units... You may be able to accomplish the same kind of thing by using a bunch of other units together, but nobody else that I know of provides a single box solution with this kind of effects processing power. It's amazing to me that the H8000 is a basically a ten year old design and nobody has surpassed it... Regards, Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 22:52:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D4FE183495; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <17408288.1513691291756651707.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:17:31 +0100 (CET) From: Massimo Liverani Reply-To: Massimo Liverani To: Subject: R: Y2K10 fuzzy memories Cc: georgia065@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SenderIP: 82.59.81.218 Resent-Message-ID: <-PYflB.A.yZD.Yqr_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Hey Bill! you your words touched me! I too remember that days, as i have already told, as part of a dream...but it wasn't a dream! for me it was the first loop fest and a fantastic experience first of all for the people that i meet and that i had the honour to know and that i will never stop to thanks! looping thanks... to evrbdy. So see you again my friends! and i hope soon, very soon! Max Liver >----Messaggio originale---- >Da: billwalker@baymoon.com >Data: 05/12/2010 21.41 >A: >Ogg: Y2K10 fuzzy memories > >Dear Friends, > Its raining steadily and gusting at times, I'm sitting in my little >room looking out the window at the all but decayed looper's shrine >created by Michael Klobuchar , aided by my wife Nancy, and contributed >to by virtually every looper who visited or stayed with us during the >Loopfest. Due to an inordinate amount of rain and stormy weather >since the festival, most of the shrine including the post industrial >tiki tourches that Scoots constructed, the skis, and the Lemonhead >ladder have either blown down or rotted away. I had to remove the >rotting giant lemons finally, it wasn't a pretty sight... For me this >was the best festival yet, for many reasons, but primarily because of >the friendships created and renewed. It was particularly gratifying >for me that many of you on this list who I have become friends with >were able to make it back again or for the first time. Its just >beyond a thrill for me to get to hang out with you all, hear you play, >and exchange ideas. Oh and the music was great this year, a really >strong and varied group, and this year unlike the last several, I >actually got to see nearly everyone perform. I gotta say, over the >past few years its been hard for me to maintain a positive attitude, >about the world, about money and even about music, and the Loopfest >always has a way of inspiring me and lifting me up. It was remarkable >to me what Rick was able to pull off, and it was really fantastic >that our neighbors stepped up and helped us house those of you that >traveled the farthest. >Thanks Rick for an amazing ride, thanks to the Chris and Nancy for >tremendous spousal support, thanks to everyone who volunteered in some >way and thanks to everyone who made the effort to come so far and >share yourselves with us. > >Bill > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 23:02:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E1F41834A9; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) Thread-topic: Loopers Christmas wish list Thread-index: AcuWETlOxULXB9kwRbmwnnFtUozsIg== References: <21CC64DB-A445-4EFD-9FBF-253A7C9AE813@baymoon.com> <4CFD2772.3000602@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4CFD2772.3000602@googlemail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-3--111957506"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9125988D-5FA4-4B46-87D3-F90BCC2C8DAD@1800dialword.com> From: "Andy Owens" Subject: Loopers Christmas wish list Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 08:17:34 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2010 13:18:23.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[39832EA0:01CB9611] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:02:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--111957506 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, here's a thread for you, has to be somethings reasonable abd at least se= mi-possible!! Not like 2 Eventides!! Me..... Roland Handsonic HPD15 Softstep pedal Electro Harmonix Micro Pog An elf to come and redo my whole rack Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:12 PM, "Rainer Straschill" w= rote: > David Grego schrieb: > > Please consider also that he 'borrowed' the concept from Mr Eno. > ...who in turn borrowed it from Terry Riley, who got it from his tech. >=20 > Rainer >=20 > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-3--111957506 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Ok, here's a thread for you, has to be somethings reasonable abd at least semi-possible!! Not like 2 Eventides!!

Me.....

Roland Handsonic HPD15
Softstep pedal
Electro Harmonix Micro Pog
An elf to come and redo my whole rack

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!


On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:12 PM, "Rainer Straschill" <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:

David Grego schrieb:
> Please consider also that he 'borrowed' the concept from Mr Eno.
...who in turn borrowed it from Terry Riley, who got it from his tech.

          Rainer

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http://moinlabs.de
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs

--Apple-Mail-3--111957506-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 23:09:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9138A183496; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dBtj+Jk0s+trsrz77pILxUJpvKDfkbBwYKFDq5M7xu4=; b=VFIiggm5ImeBRj6mIxGAug0PgA6eaT4WkE52CjUeaHhD01lPIaXrWgK2O1mEJMitgj faSuEm8xz9Ase+oSr6s8o58hXC0ys3JQMedXJLD8OHO+r4Vm/DUR/U/ACdnOqQVfjtzq BBRVHrGyazyOFEur0SutriYf2uHr49wRCRHXM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=MasdifUPGDb6eLsTUZ9G0vm+mevGXWc+Mb7XLQcH5qqwhlW3xaY94DEZ2wIyQ+DvEI WkWty5imtLUWQUkEThLIcBsPuHx4SQA2AquibBEEtHNRWk+oL43ZS1FQ3pjaxbgu74p/ /GVpQ2EUXdSXw8jvfZ4dqxLw4ZlqUcbHwgyQM= Message-ID: <4CFD597D.8080500@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:45:33 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia References: <695204D4-BDFA-492E-BE99-2F4A5954FFB6@frontier.com> <4CFCE5A5.8070709@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4CFCE5A5.8070709@cruzio.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Am 06.12.10 14:31, schrieb Rick Walker: >> All H8000s have firewire now. And they aren't $5500 each. You can do >> way better than that. Easily under 5K. ;) >> >> Jeff > Ahhhhh, that makes it so much more affordable for me. > I'll just have to order three of them! > > lol (and yes, that is said with dripping sarcasm, the lowest form of > wit as my father used to point out) Some years ago I had my hands on an Orville. That time the price was much higher than for its successor now... I would not exchange it with my Max patches. Max/MSP is way easier to program - And who cares about sound quality...;-) The algorithms available today exceed the technology of those times when Eventide built its reputation. You still pay for it today... Alone the size of his rig will make him dependent on a lot of other people. I prefer to tour hitch-hiking with just my backpack... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles--------x-- -_____-----------|-----------|-- -(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- - _|_)----|-----()-------------- ---------()----------TJ Shredder http://tjshredder.wordpress.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 23:11:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81A2418349F; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=H0zkocuaA7GtOZVN1Qwkok0wkn8n+m4XKvUkyPltTAU=; b=GaV0t9HAjYBUcuBgzmW7690pALAVh7aOLCI2xvBYK3O86y/xYYH6qgef6H9EMz8/pW B4FvroOAmcZs3OvKUQWlKxaEjybR/bTwK5LfZXXZwusIY3+UC9gwN9VefFNiUc7Lu1nB yusDUIu6c9wOHzKNjkFztejCR0Hp1kVg6BZ0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=C2fubizZJ0sDyltyCvS9t7+G57WmGvAi2siNqTLPHvki0g6Gbi31Z9bZnGywE01TrE zv1eWfCP2Cz0osjCz8xdZPaY3VHyCjF/RC9+mkXza85qIGmJt3WJkmgSFW5m1wtZ+Wei FzDxZaZu8hlygqUcVgEHuJNylztDrjUBXiKio= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <22EE0557EB3B4B68BFC72EE6700BA45D@mpeserver> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 22:49:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reyn vs Blaudzun From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f44d481166b20496c4dc89 Resent-Message-ID: <_bDYsC.A.BNE.v8r_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:11:43 +0000 (UTC) --001485f44d481166b20496c4dc89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes very nice,i like the way live looping is presented here,with special songwriters in a very musical way. Hey Reyn just curious do this events only feature national talent?are you organiz=EDng them and how often do you have them? could you share with us how this shows are being received so far and if the city is involved in the financial side or if you are doing it independently= ? I m curious because think this would be another nice way to presentlive looping which seems quite accesible to general audiences. Luis On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:17 PM, ^|>^m wrote: > Yes! Enjoyed that. Thanks for sharing. > > > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > >> Reyn will play live on the next livelooping festival in Cologne (next >> April) >> see www.livelooping.de >> >> -Michael >> >> > --001485f44d481166b20496c4dc89 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes very nice,i like the way live looping is presented here,with speci= al songwriters in a very musical way.
Hey Reyn just curious=A0do this events only feature national talent?ar= e you organiz=EDng them and how often do you have them?
could you share with us how this shows=A0are being received so far and= if the city is involved in the financial side or if you are doing it indep= endently?
I m curious because=A0think this would be another nice way to presentl= ive looping which seems quite accesible to general audiences.
Luis
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On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:17 PM, ^|>^m <will.it.go.ro= und@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes! =A0Enjoyed that. =A0Thanks = for sharing.=20


On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Michael Peters = <mp= @mpeters.de> wrote:
Reyn will play live on the next = livelooping festival in Cologne (next April)
see www.livelooping.de

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--001485f44d481166b20496c4dc89-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 23:11:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05EE01834AE; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:11:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 535726.623.bm@omp1020.mail.ird.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.no; s=s1024; t=1291755421; bh=M+Yum1cbMjurzQk+yySL8P8s7HG7gflfsRRf0PtOrTc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4MSLBZ/35bYQNstU60csiroT41ygUzkMCGMZ4PNh0aC8u3su3r1Sd25TY+k8XqosipjNMKcxtHGXvKXWIUeU4gsbxgQkvOwnW++LMmoyVC2QjHsPkzBrAuHaypeOlf6q0XgFh3setO+M1JEZGl9t1UQ6C64o90OprpjJzZv916g= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0TtLEfKxL7k5MguhJ6RaXO6x+EPsT6bggF+Pr3AAH6rSWxAKf2b+hKhINy1Y8YKJisXVzTtnnrtyA5cD5zyCHQlW+tUP88SdzoYcgWuAveym/OL01Iwh/UoW7Eth2t0brGrKfjtgh7e4LARSxiic5KJAq8kifrgH5pJ26xAgnQE=; Message-ID: <449250.53119.qm@web29707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: r5b9d_cVM1lMM2Sso5SN6cMwzkW8qwRYDQouARqBk9.Tqix p4IRuFs8vjOmfGTMaudgJT1vE81t_BuX0rll1Yu8QFz4zQk1nbStJxiuQpMN fLoRuiRAld12TFXKrHklHKIWcD.0R_8Y3ae_mxlX_xI281ZaiSc.C0y_Rb_P VPwogY_wCkOKtzSCBuHr6CQAtsNHw659GQ1LMDDbSI3WiZQ2w3rWpJ00wpQJ 74mNo0Uj4lFHDEw3CIz70VvMBA54i5XY5nNUCWPstw7pcZ2SJW837v0GKqsY 9 X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 20:57:01 +0000 (GMT) From: rune fagereng Subject: clicks and pops in Ableton To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1578589791-1291755421=:53119" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:11:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-1578589791-1291755421=:53119 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! My Ableton Live 8.2.1 has pops and clicks. The clicks and pops are not on t= he recorded sound-files. What can I do? Reinstall everything on the mac? best regards Rune F. =A0 =A0=0A=0A --0-1578589791-1291755421=:53119 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi!

My Ableton Live 8.2.1 = has pops and clicks. The clicks and pops are not on the recorded sound-file= s. What can I do? Reinstall everything on the mac?

best regards Rune F.    

--0-1578589791-1291755421=:53119-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 23:36:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A99EE1834A8; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ACGXKzHAYVneadVcJJe25W7YNAPNKT12eciQX75OQrI=; b=WchtENYVA+Sufc+tRRQPpHYdxrK2LvB+9jc4mbJxnb2aAtBt9kZ+eSHozUn7JhsMlQ XMQgZca+zqBfwK/zMaqkRzYYAGbyxDVOZ+deo4lm4uoUzTomfzdDLNIsxipNreM31zIE N9ZwQZjWx46oOwfIZZUQy9oEDk3W1SSB4x7r8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Yh18WFiD/pxfLoV5ghh3/RTlSeYGic7+6bsVnn9jiwgFfbt9zXwdFIzNXIeZSa4OQl mh0vJB7leD3ghvryuV4QawarSzBE62uqvT/3YoglIRhB7EDMwmKd8jiG1Lf6XJ8YIWHA ns+UqOPrqSR/gNSl6poe0wZsr91XKYkpJoFjY= Message-ID: <4CFD5C32.1050409@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:57:06 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pluggo problem References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Am 03.12.10 20:48, schrieb Michael Peters: > I tried to install the Pluggo runtime (on my Vista notebook) because I > wanted to try some plugins by Oli Larkin that rely on Pluggo. Even though > the installer says it installed everything, I can't see any Pluggo on my > system (except for an empty folder in my VSTPlugins folder), and neither can > Bidule. The vst plugins I wanted to check out aren't recognized by Bidule. > Ideas anyone? The pluggo runtime doesn't contain any pluggos, install instead the free Pluggo Junior. It will came with a handfull of pluggos. Then add the Oli Larkin pluggos to the same place as the Junior pluggos. On my Mac its a folder inside the VST Folder. I also made some of my own, but didn't check them for a long time, give me a call and we could try to get through it together... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles--------x-- -_____-----------|-----------|-- -(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- - _|_)----|-----()-------------- ---------()----------TJ Shredder http://tjshredder.wordpress.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 23:41:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 128331834AC; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wwpudYjCF2FJvjdw1YrxoGoefr3SsXaHBuuvfBfeqdk=; b=TzjtYmjhfPa7FX8Mb7CohKUlWKao4Eu7nTgniNkJ/Q8Qs+zCoZzqbq3NAp5nqfPNCC qZYfJmSIG5kwhBkcOn72Ts/2yRSXKtMhfzV1UE+IGcWoOSIBgb3YJ3YFtzoqujC3rQzp JBzuF1mJ+Chg7Vq51By8bkYZ5u/RqzM/UMysI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=SQ2crAURATVHJ3m8sYJNQz3SEBgNJHdUFoyFQUzvKUDGSvr4QKOO2PyllIJoidD3dk atl1k22feWtzehTwx5B81nvnwwsL5gMFIYZY6lCyznmSxgBCxWYl+F9/G70wgo8pqLwS fX+NbOiGQ9VDHDQtsIfu6g4vTuv9FOznzfpHI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4CFD2010.4050604@googlemail.com> References: <695204D4-BDFA-492E-BE99-2F4A5954FFB6@frontier.com> <4CFCE5A5.8070709@cruzio.com> <4CFD2010.4050604@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:35:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ee07c4d0baa0496c2251c Resent-Message-ID: <-HxJM.A.VNF.WYs_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:41:10 +0000 (UTC) --0016364ee07c4d0baa0496c2251c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/12/6 Rainer Straschill > >> Let me ask you this, then: Suppose you had three (or two, or one) > H8000(s): > What would you do with them that you can't do with what you have at your > disposal and that would really bring forward what you do musically? > > > Rainer > > rainer took it from my mouth ... > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminad= a, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta q= ue ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!, no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? 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2010/12/6 Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.= com>

Let me ask you this, then: Suppose you had three (or two, or one) H8000(s):=
What would you do with them that you can't do with what you have at you= r disposal and that would really bring forward what you do musically?


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--0016364ee07c4d0baa0496c2251c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 7 23:52:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1026B1834C5; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=O9kLdAbnTF/eNMXcJx2mAJBPApP3SN0/px/7nmnygmY=; b=Rp8jYjsGdmq+q9bcxcDk/u2nAOd0l71PRHhDMhV+iD5BVMIblfjDyX+YDC4193jONZ TgwJX6SuSEZjYsiPif5Jay1GdbCJpHNfm7ywzFIoLlr6WDqihDTIHZrQIYiqD6yxfa7Q k+B2rkx6tyRg9uFQBYTE+84q+WlOgdP/dK5iY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dwEmsJ/gVkDm5SoMyMjTRreaFZGNjX70w3+/g+Kq3B+yBmXhAWgDrLnAn7O8fQ3alD L4CEDCrddfq2x+q1rRyaBUXPf4b+TgpV6bFAoZFym8v63EGcsvArO7t7jU/KEE98lYRV XFedRrQQq06f0PBFEE3WSr53thrAzsYJ4j6yo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <695204D4-BDFA-492E-BE99-2F4A5954FFB6@frontier.com> <4CFCE5A5.8070709@cruzio.com> <4CFD2010.4050604@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:52:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:52:35 +0000 (UTC) 2010/12/6 Rainer Straschill >> Let me ask you this, then: Suppose you had three (or two, or one) >> H8000(s): >> What would you do with them that you can't do with what you have at your >> disposal >> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Rainer A gorgeous fish tank! / Per ;-) >> and that would really bring forward what you do musically? eh... not sure about that part. Breeding Thai Song Fish in there, maybe... ---- ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 00:01:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D73DB1834DA; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id :message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=8OCVH6tkgHFXAhdnvR+LgIHwKzl/8PpJdbmY7czEhWA=; b=g38zHG1nPydfQGZWOc5uTrjD3+yedUvL8zxIJH7OArqLJDHb02lHfvPZzhVCr7w62X ogtNnc44JpKjfDBm9zTtCtf3OZAEz4lGAgelmovZEXuW4p0ihqhe5zJlKGms7c++/lVp P15ZW21W3DiRpiShF6sECj0c7FcU/6IKaWUX0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; b=gEgSVYZqngcN0kkAvNh14MHJK+5T1tj9ThuGetm5N+iJCHtchuU4PJlVQoS7LctPrg cFoNbaw1wqyzmNe82i42WoI0dD2LeN8Mvy743WE4pF1zzqZBd6KRIj3tIdMrk4kbe9GT qBB5apR5HWMDMHtucsY9ybWNc2i2x62DBcEHU= X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:1422041587 Message-ID:<1422041587-1291766476-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-776605567-@bda2841.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal Subject: TF loop mode midi out To: "Loopers Delight" From: cnovey@gmail.com Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:01:14 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Anyone here using Eventide Time Factor pedal with midi out to a drum machine or other slave device? I simply cannot get it to interpret even the simplest single bar of 4/4 correctly so it sends correct midi clock to drum machine. God I wish my EDP was a pedal. :) Clifford Sent via soup cans and string. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 00:02:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 517DF1834E3; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:29:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Violet Xoxox Subject: Houston, we have lift-off Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Sorry about the list downtime. We had a catastrophic harddrive failure on Monday morning. Everything on the server was toast. Fortunately we make backups of all server content once a month and had just done this month's on Sunday (talk about timing!), so we had current copies of all the sites. We've uploaded everything to a new server and things should mostly be back to normal now. Yay! This shouldn't happen again ... we have a secondary harddrive as backup now in the event that the main drive begins to fail. Well, this was fun! Violet xoxox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 00:06:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 337531834B3; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id :message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=qvsOBzTp9KOlBaHbjuus3W45eQYJRYg3xPPCNe26/Mg=; b=XTqrLoQRQ/M2xE90HonZmyt4AlPzBBmm+0IunovFt0HuEpy8ZCD/t89JQeKQzYLhDc aZlc6zb31oRY8StdRxdPYVo0vuKKM2beHYWCkVR4UGaoRwAJOF9/Muuo598xfVhTeHsE bpzeB9kKAEkviye0YV9KL2cAFRO7FBbfjC7Rw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; b=wfb2do2/BnShko46WEf1hRKAt5ukE614EeYu+3f8SeCzPNjtZm4tZpg1Nhf8p4J89f p92Mcp2CgxGSf4iGp/vyPMgjYYoYzcD6xXUZet9ZBgwir+CXVllkgx7JEEN+9r3t36nZ JDRgYUGZj32cHXAlESJeHVFooZedB8g3uP0Uo= X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:10427536 Message-ID:<10427536-1291766770-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1014270701-@bda2841.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Houston, we have lift-off To: "Loopers Delight" From: cnovey@gmail.com Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:06:08 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <-_CIaD.A.kSG.6vs_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Wow- you host it yourself?? Thanks for the hard work. There are 3rd party hosts that are less than 10 bucks a month and create backups of their servers nightly. Regards, Clifford ------Original Message------ From: Violet Xoxox To: Loopers Delight ReplyTo: Loopers Delight Subject: Houston, we have lift-off Sent: Dec 7, 2010 3:29 PM Sorry about the list downtime. We had a catastrophic harddrive failure on Monday morning. Everything on the server was toast. Fortunately we make backups of all server content once a month and had just done this month's on Sunday (talk about timing!), so we had current copies of all the sites. We've uploaded everything to a new server and things should mostly be back to normal now. Yay! This shouldn't happen again ... we have a secondary harddrive as backup now in the event that the main drive begins to fail. Well, this was fun! Violet xoxox Sent via soup cans and string. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 00:09:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCE041834BE; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mta5.brinkster.com From: "CM" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Houston, we have lift-off Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 16:09:19 -0800 Message-ID: <000701cb966c$29284350$7b78c9f0$@asyouthink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQMMp1ElvmyBvWxSrVPEMdzlUjELu5ETiZOQ Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for getting all back up and running! : ) -----Original Message----- From: Violet Xoxox [mailto:violet@missviolet.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 3:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Houston, we have lift-off Sorry about the list downtime. We had a catastrophic harddrive failure on Monday morning. Everything on the server was toast. Fortunately we make backups of all server content once a month and had just done this month's on Sunday (talk about timing!), so we had current copies of all the sites. We've uploaded everything to a new server and things should mostly be back to normal now. Yay! This shouldn't happen again ... we have a secondary harddrive as backup now in the event that the main drive begins to fail. Well, this was fun! Violet xoxox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 00:31:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E28341834CB; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hE7WZu/X+DAUa05XdMhBwPMPvZS+s6jmVSG7Ab5xxpY=; b=XpFF19NtJjJkvT28VtEGmtHIPUO1TBbq7dglRGxOei0HbTFI0bw1F2Uvdl+CaUR4Fx 0oTGUowSmdXsCXA8xMrQ63pwB3tFYfSKqF+v8er/J8RKJa2Zn/0vUiGqKw62cPbfx+/f PEmtTJUC8wHOVZXo6yv8oCK0tJWpB4T//gID0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=f8c9IBfyRNfzVo9GYUwRasFAqibnlNzY5o9HC2Zw7R16nCsCsOe6sbt39OZNmhW1HB PQ+vMCrounMsEwspSYVtlr/azVWmhrcxPMR539e3sM9jcOH4nK8hPE6oAk1eWpQYzB0d Ql803KsDfbpWU9+zczgEiVvXzZW3/xKLCreY8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <75E3510D-0AF3-451B-AA8B-A02C4CC1F21C@gmail.com> References: <20101206031758.DCEF1247EC@ns3.tnt21.com> <75E3510D-0AF3-451B-AA8B-A02C4CC1F21C@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 21:55:08 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hurdy gurdy (was: OT: Bulbul Tarang, Shahi Baaja, Indian Electric Dulcimer) From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Wow, that is amazing. I'd never heard a hurdy gurdy before. Beautiful. I found this fuzzy video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeEM5nGr-Ks&feature=related Just gorgeous playing. Thanks for posting this. -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 00:37:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D6E81834DF; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1291768672; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=uYPx+MqdaNu8S+A0cBX+mdLtcN0=; b=bDQUcuonWvi3npiFex+VVmhW7+y26hTui+gO/bcK3EtdnaFlNwfKeT9T//ek/lBd JS/+kUet2fNWenJd27TReaLHxEPTVXSE9Yo1Wf4+2dgsjhLyZgFO64FCYNGgnv5o; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=X8ZSGyLQdBYsiyM9pz72zXskH1tPQcce8bb8A4qfzkE= c=1 sm=0 a=P72pG6yUKeYA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=7P51zebfwo8A:10 a=bx5pBzvhP1RJaMvi8B8A:9 a=CfnIlOhNlxEkat13QRl9o9HljlUA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=DHRbvhMi52xjDClMazEA:9 a=RXq5UZlFNpa-Uo9XEvXqJdvltKUA:4 a=Hhc/OnKmOS1xKI2oHPQhqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 19:37:52 -0500 (EST) From: EDWARD YUHAS Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <2027135773.68682.1291768672121.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: <9125988D-5FA4-4B46-87D3-F90BCC2C8DAD@1800dialword.com> Subject: Re: Loopers Christmas wish list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_68681_528973758.1291768672120" X-Originating-IP: [70.88.44.97] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2213.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.5_GA_2213.RHEL4_64) Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:37:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_68681_528973758.1291768672120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An elf to come and redo my whole rack LOL...hear, here on this one! My guitar rig rebuild has gotten cumbersome! Ed in NJ ------=_Part_68681_528973758.1291768672120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
An elf to come and redo my whole rack

LOL...hear, here on this one! My guitar rig rebuild has gotten cumbersome!
 
Ed in NJ
------=_Part_68681_528973758.1291768672120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 00:52:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B80A71834EA; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=sZ6uAuF1pKVCQL/ZAQlJ4n8fV7n+Vb6AQ6QxbL4yEDM=; b=ipEKUwhJD6WRUhXYsRqzm+AH6m0BgxIdy5dAhMAuv/EWk1ZptY3+FNuCXxwLsgKxvq OJ9VSRzslGuew7U6r9jDLsKOgp6q+FgQFM0iD7sdePjK3sdt3SHCfM4jUWuRGeopzgiL 3zQAOh7fw85/JaV8Y0vMvryppFddqoNmI2CVM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=lIgl5YzczaLL2QdEjPEsmCy+2o6Dw092l7HSSBZ559tbfHVmsXFqnhkE5r6VqARCWA 7zhDOmr54sO/EuA5kdFIiJ+0AHuINCcPBbvWzH1WkevWavLqu5Int0CzuIp9l58DYVJt dcpovbiEnzSg0v0ebeHvnvCJGNO7yNzl+HMj4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:08:21 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KPg-I__26XrIbFJqJZaK_btIm-I Message-ID: Subject: Ricks Spotify link To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8f6edd58260496ce59a1 Resent-Message-ID: <41OSpD.A.qeC.0at_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:52:05 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8f6edd58260496ce59a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Does anyone have handy that depressing link that Rick posted a while back about how bad Spotify is as regards paying artists? I need to post it/tweet it as often as I post a link to Spotify, to ease my conscience or something... PS: BTW I tried the archives, cant get them to work right now... Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8f6edd58260496ce59a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Does anyone have handy that depressing link that Rick posted a while back about how bad Spotify is as regards paying artists? I need to post it/tweet it as often as I post a link to Spotify, to ease my conscience or something...

PS: BTW I tried the archives, cant get them to work right now...

Mark

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--90e6ba6e8f6edd58260496ce59a1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 01:44:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E43F41834BF; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:44:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1291772686; l=5679; s=domk; d=christojota.de; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:To: From:X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH; bh=49trximbi9uzub+g+PStJM37u+s=; b=uJdVyjRSmhSyrag+B7Usl/ebYcf2YjQJvSvLynFk745JbopwBBGErEMDGtc6guEsrWS MKUs5qrKY5QTy/WdKL6d+12CR9nUHYJHyay2eRDddX6uZCjQfv9ThNesxXwKQd9JbI3V7 7GkqJ0HClIFcRjMfNFX3ilu4bbp4ODPwj1s= X-RZG-AUTH: :L2QWfFOIePcNBmV0yywuLUHS8OM2DDVxTuoYQATZ0ef60SyyPwAvuR4a2ni2GyI= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Message-ID: <4F2793C7748E4190BBCBC8228AE16D53@Christojota> From: "Christo Jota" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:06:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CB95ED.F7FF42C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:44:48 +0000 (UTC) Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CB95ED.F7FF42C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice pics. I regret he doesn=B4t allow any photos while he=B4s on stage. As I know, not even by people from the press. That=B4s ridiculous. Fripp seems to be a real Diva... Christo www.christojota.de =20 From: Petri Lahtinen=20 Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 2:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia Pics were not mine, caught the link on Sid Smith posts to DGM 2010/12/4 Dennis Moser Hilarious! The poster has the image flipped! Congrats on snagging a shot of the rig! Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Petri Lahtinen = wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229168559/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229137087/ > > Pictures from the Winter Garden > --=20 Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert = Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." = -Charles Bukowski- ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CB95ED.F7FF42C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nice pics. I regret he doesn=B4t allow any=20 photos while he=B4s on stage.
As I know, not even by people from the=20 press.
That=B4s ridiculous. Fripp seems to be a real=20 Diva...
 
Christo
www.christojota.de

 
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia

Pics were not mine, caught the link on Sid Smith posts to = DGM

2010/12/4 Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>
Hilarious! The poster has the image = flipped!

Congrats=20 on snagging a shot of the rig!

Best,

Dennis

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/



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>=20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229137087/=
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>=20 Pictures from the Winter = Garden
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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CB95ED.F7FF42C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 01:47:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28B6E1834CD; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lRaMgUuMjpDB+B7DKpjJ7UkhTehulGmb9w0l2YaQsw4=; b=eKzyv4wQtD60mNmXdI9bFza5lHP5toAGQ5LMK2ZoQlno819ZkAy6GILhgV0wJxq2OR BSmtCSgyS4R1HBxAyyvq4GU/N0ORaZHXrfD7+uOJ8rMyXkuEreK6/WIRf77S7TqWsDxS KT/BNENReoqg5mVGjjArBWeQJCRnSfQTvcgk0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GZVyiEOjiX4HYy8NdRlS9QmJfcsD/+L+zZf9Y08FMufTb/mmaTO0AdJlZxxo6OOZAt xVs0zPX7npwdCWXhPgrAHy0bRE2oISWQcXCyfB7IOFxVIorR7h7DLQ3rOXAUwIGwyBP9 dpQ2TkBGr/5YJ5WPGH6EcJTSM9wHkUhvtLM9Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F2793C7748E4190BBCBC8228AE16D53@Christojota> References: <4F2793C7748E4190BBCBC8228AE16D53@Christojota> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 20:47:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Jeffery Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d99c9139c78e0496dc4f43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:47:54 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d99c9139c78e0496dc4f43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What does a photo have to do with the enjoyment of the music, if not to onl= y distract from the experience? On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 3:06 AM, Christo Jota wrote: > Nice pics. I regret he doesn=B4t allow any photos while he=B4s on stage. > As I know, not even by people from the press. > That=B4s ridiculous. Fripp seems to be a real Diva... > > Christo > www.christojota.de > > > *From:* Petri Lahtinen > *Sent:* Sunday, December 05, 2010 2:11 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: Fripper Gear Trivia > > Pics were not mine, caught the link on Sid Smith posts to DGM > > 2010/12/4 Dennis Moser > >> Hilarious! The poster has the image flipped! >> >> Congrats on snagging a shot of the rig! >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Petri Lahtinen >> wrote: >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229168559/ >> > >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229137087/ >> > >> > Pictures from the Winter Garden >> > >> >> > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen > http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen > http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ > --------------------------------------------------- > "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- > --------------------------------------------------- > "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." > -Charles Bukowski- > > --0016e6d99c9139c78e0496dc4f43 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What does a photo have to do with the enjoyment of the music, if not to onl= y distract from the experience?

On Tue, D= ec 7, 2010 at 3:06 AM, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de> wrote:
Nice pics. I regret he doesn=B4t allow any=20 photos=A0while he=B4s on stage.
As I know, not even by people from the=20 press.
That=B4s ridiculous. Fripp seems to be a real= =20 Diva...
=A0
Christo

=A0
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia

Pics were not mine, caught the link on Sid Smith posts to=20 DGM

2010/12/4 Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gma= il.com>
Hilarious! The poster has= the image flipped!

Congrats=20 on snagging a shot of the rig!
On Sat,=20 Dec 4, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Petri Lahtinen <aikuinen@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229168559/
>
>=20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingspiral/5229137087/
&g= t;
>=20 Pictures from the Winter Garden
>



--
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http://www.petrilahtinen.com
http://petrilahtinen.= blogspot.com/
http://w= ww.myspace.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen
http://petrilahtinen.= bandcamp.com/
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"Some= people=20 never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles=20 Bukowski-


--0016e6d99c9139c78e0496dc4f43-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 01:57:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48C741834DD; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=49Ck2NgeuRHuacNr2JmdW6fybQE9aBJ0AEGTNzU0Fqo=; b=Hi0BUMLl7iCsCmkk8J5ixaFRNAJFydomdInwfXzTeV0O1VXgagCp3mbz1la578tFIF Q4OZnZnJLV2vl107MsTKo4VN1f+dFc7vYdSarJJu4n9G7sWFFjqEbDtFHwUYWAfjJ3fz HuFmfRGn82OQz12P+cPi8zZZJrCh71xW84AFw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=YteSo7xW75XxcTRO2KWEHJIQ+d8b1eGPCP9ZDXj/xfXZr+1cvmHiWNun/CvAlAWTYC FkHrm5DDdAinP8LqGmm7DKFoUCXtEiHptVw1SaqM8DYmmsRXUIuOR/OsIOpbFDkK5UP8 1lJR4lSDKKPeGmpuYJAca2JxFY1/VXJ2CF0N0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4CFCE4FD.5050806@cruzio.com> References: <41BB7163-9A96-46A9-90EF-24AC0156ADFE@baymoon.com> <4CFCE4FD.5050806@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 22:37:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Y2K10 fuzzy memories From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00248c11e371cf8b570496c4b163 Resent-Message-ID: <5UI_R.A.DuE.zXu_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:57:07 +0000 (UTC) --00248c11e371cf8b570496c4b163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have to second this,though i could not see all the performances i really liked what i saw on Saturday,i have the feeling that the performances were more about music this time than gear.I might be wrong but i also had the feeling that finally the word was getting around about this underground event.The audience that was there seem really responsive and seem to be more in tune with what is going on. The article on the local newspaper which featured an interview with Rick was great as well i and think that that also had an impact. Once again Thank you guys Rick and Bill also for helping me out with the gear,flying back it would have been a nightmare for me alone in the train stations going up and down the stairs carrying my pedalboard and guitar, plus all of the other heavy luggage i had to bring back. So big kudos to borth of you! cheers Luis On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Thanks Bill for such a sweet acknowledgment. > > The truth of the matter is that I could never have pulled all of this off > without your help. > You were always there to help people with gear; to put people up; to ferry > people around; > to give advice when I was unsure how to handle things and > to take my freaked out cell phone calls during how intense that week was. > > You were always the one who I knew I could depend on if the chips were down > or > something freaked out or fucked up (which happened a > lot........... > > It has been a great ride and I'm sure wonderful things will ensue from it > all. > > thanks for your support and your love and your constant service. > > I love you, Rick > > > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, William Walker wrote: > >> Dear Friends, >> Its raining steadily and gusting at times, I'm sitting in my little room >> looking out the window at the all but decayed looper's shrine created by >> Michael Klobuchar , aided by my wife Nancy, and contributed to by virtually >> every looper who visited or stayed with us during the Loopfest. Due to an >> inordinate amount of rain and stormy weather since the festival, most of the >> shrine including the post industrial tiki tourches that Scoots constructed, >> the skis, and the Lemonhead ladder have either blown down or rotted away. I >> had to remove the rotting giant lemons finally, it wasn't a pretty sight... >> For me this was the best festival yet, for many reasons, but primarily >> because of the friendships created and renewed. It was particularly >> gratifying for me that many of you on this list who I have become friends >> with were able to make it back again or for the first time. Its just beyond >> a thrill for me to get to hang out with you all, hear you play, and exchange >> ideas. Oh and the music was great this year, a really strong and varied >> group, and this year unlike the last several, I actually got to see nearly >> everyone perform. I gotta say, over the past few years its been hard for me >> to maintain a positive attitude, about the world, about money and even about >> music, and the Loopfest always has a way of inspiring me and lifting me up. >> It was remarkable to me what Rick was able to pull off, and it was really >> fantastic that our neighbors stepped up and helped us house those of you >> that traveled the farthest. >> Thanks Rick for an amazing ride, thanks to the Chris and Nancy for >> tremendous spousal support, thanks to everyone who volunteered in some way >> and thanks to everyone who made the effort to come so far and share >> yourselves with us. >> >> Bill >> >> >> > --00248c11e371cf8b570496c4b163 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have to second this,though i could not see all the performances i re= ally liked what i saw on Saturday,i have the feeling that the=A0performance= s were more about music this time than gear.I might be wrong but i also had= the feeling that finally the word was getting around about this undergroun= d event.The audience that was there=A0seem really responsive and seem to be= more in tune with what is going on.
The=A0article on the local newspaper which featured an interview with = Rick was great as well i and think that that also had an impact.
Once again Thank you guys Rick and Bill=A0also for helping me out with= the gear,flying back it would have been a nightmare for me alone in the tr= ain stations going up and down the stairs=A0carrying my pedalboard and=A0gu= itar,=A0plus all of the other heavy luggage i had to bring back.
So big kudos to borth of you!
cheers
Luis
=A0
=A0
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote= :
Thanks Bill for such a sweet ack= nowledgment.

The truth of the matter is that I could never have pull= ed all of this off without your help.
You were always there to help people with gear; to put people up; to ferry = people around;
to give advice when I was unsure how to handle things and=
to take my freaked out cell phone calls during how intense that week wa= s.

You were always the one who I knew I could depend on if the chips were = down or
something freaked out or fucked up (which happened a lot........= ...<grin/grimace>

It has been a great ride and I'm sure wo= nderful things will ensue from it all.

thanks for your support and your love and your constant service.
I love you, =A0 Rick=20



On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, William Walker wrote:
Dear Friends,
=A0Its raining = steadily and gusting at times, =A0I'm sitting in my little room looking= out the window at the all but decayed looper's shrine created by Micha= el Klobuchar , aided by my wife Nancy, and contributed to by virtually ever= y looper who visited or stayed with us during the Loopfest. =A0Due to an in= ordinate amount of rain and stormy weather since the festival, most of the = shrine including the post industrial tiki tourches that Scoots constructed,= the skis, and the Lemonhead ladder have either blown down or rotted away. = I had to remove the rotting giant lemons finally, it wasn't a pretty si= ght... =A0For me this was the best festival yet, for many reasons, =A0but p= rimarily because of the friendships created and renewed. It was particularl= y gratifying for me that many of you on this list who I have become friends= with were able to make it back again or for the first time. =A0Its just be= yond a thrill for me to get to hang out with you all, hear you play, and ex= change ideas. Oh and the music was great this year, a really strong and var= ied group, and this year unlike the last several, I actually got to see nea= rly everyone perform. =A0I gotta say, over the past few years its been hard= for me to maintain a positive attitude, about the world, about money and e= ven about music, and the Loopfest =A0always has a way of inspiring me and l= ifting me up. =A0It was remarkable to me what Rick was able to pull off, = =A0and it was really fantastic that our neighbors stepped up and helped us = house those of you that traveled the farthest.
Thanks Rick for an amazing ride, thanks to the Chris and Nancy for tremendo= us spousal support, thanks to everyone who volunteered in some way =A0and t= hanks to everyone who made the effort to come so far and share yourselves w= ith us.

Bill




--00248c11e371cf8b570496c4b163-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 02:05:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 231B81834F0; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:05:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3631 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 02:05:36 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-07_12:2010-12-08,2010-12-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012070210 Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Kenn Lowy In-reply-to: <20101208003151.7CDAC1834D6@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 20:04:47 -0500 Message-id: <9D19E5C8-F5AB-49B3-A01E-4E9F97E6FD47@me.com> References: <20101208003151.7CDAC1834D6@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:05:37 +0000 (UTC) As stupid as this sounds, you have to have a Harmonizer to really appreciate what it can do. This music from this video (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1777933087400) was all done on a guitar using the ebow and put through a harmonizer. I'm not sure where else I could have gotten those sounds (from one piece of equipment). It also went through my EDP, but that was just for looping. I wish I had another Harmonizer, but they are pricy. klowy (aka wrinklemuzik) > 2010/12/6 Rainer Straschill > >>> Let me ask you this, then: Suppose you had three (or two, or one) >>> H8000(s): >>> What would you do with them that you can't do with what you have at your >>> disposal >>> >>> Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 02:13:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A6471834FC; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhkFAD94/kxHq+9F/2dsb2JhbACVN44TwjCFSQSEYoki X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,313,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="81662912" X-Previous-IP: 71.171.239.69 Message-Id: <55FA92F7-E79D-4AAD-A971-B16E3875A37E@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9D19E5C8-F5AB-49B3-A01E-4E9F97E6FD47@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 20:15:36 -0600 References: <20101208003151.7CDAC1834D6@hemlock.violacea.com> <9D19E5C8-F5AB-49B3-A01E-4E9F97E6FD47@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:13:24 +0000 (UTC) I'm a big fan of Eventide products, and I own a bunch of them. That said, there are other companies who are rapidly catching up to Eventide in terms of quality, including harmonizing. The Digitech IPS 33-B was more or less a poor man's Eventide for years, but nowadays even a company like Line 6 has cut the gap considerably. I think the pitch shifting stuff on the HD500 is quite good, for example. And Fractal Audio's Axe-Fx meets or exceeds the quality of Eventide effects across the board--and, of course, you also get a ton of amp and cab models. My .02 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 02:21:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85FD31834E7; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--64916598 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: RE: Reyn vs Blaudzun Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:21:35 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <-lat8D.A.DsF.3uu_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:21:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--64916598 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lovely music Reyn!!!! "Reyn will play live on the next livelooping festival in Cologne (next April) see www.livelooping.de" -Michael Great line up Michael!!!!! Bill --Apple-Mail-1--64916598 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
lovely music Reyn!!!!



"Reyn will play live on the next livelooping festival in Cologne (next April)
see www.livelooping.de"

-Michael


Great line up Michael!!!!! 


Bill
--Apple-Mail-1--64916598-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 02:47:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E4FE1834F7; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:47:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DgXWvWMzsVw6tFxDGESCsGFR4bOF1uiZoK5Rc6VJcyY=; b=XmZHkzJpkeCysQHU1dVlOv3ij9KbEM//7A1Ub518Wx1ZlofRUFT3OiSoEzfW/tJFOU FudMVxqUZBIGNDSJb8xSlLSfAqIr+p+gRb6CakYATHIELRIacwJJb2i9STxlTSebYPC5 KGO+nE/XOUEhYpw+IdOzoqMDJekb5Lxa7WX0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=UKHfEiLGF5fc4zNORslmczeoVnEL4OEOy2OeBJ3ie7ofJVxhOVTfQR0sREG+934xou mB2xPwfdtyrjrPUxmFfabBFMrvMRiE7wK08ixrqxEEoWQK/nRF5+31RcfOGg5kzzn14I IdgeljVSO0gN805kiT17jjuZFUfVwJrTo7Pe8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:47:41 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Houston, we have lift-off From: Clifford Novey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65b40e218f2f40496dd2569 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:47:42 +0000 (UTC) --0016e65b40e218f2f40496dd2569 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow- you host it yourself?? Thanks for the hard work. There are 3rd party hosts that are less than 10 bucks a month and create backups of their servers nightly. Regards, Clifford --0016e65b40e218f2f40496dd2569 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Wow- you host it yourself?? Thanks for the hard work. There are 3rd party hosts that are less than 10 bucks a month and create backups of their servers nightly.
Regards,
Clifford

--0016e65b40e218f2f40496dd2569-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 02:49:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA07F183506; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nvMOwvFgXn8p1I0eHCp0+xJCDsyadFkPC+sTjU7X/T4=; b=n8VnH/vMCB8yR+fcQfVVx1pa/392P3ovoevIt1r8WMXgaF7D3R0HOMyHzKmxImCjeP E/Scb8nbAybV77J7j8M6K22Zy8L7r2t4wwruUQFr/LMKrOttXcObswKGmJ1CF5FSGHEG D/akhzGvL4VjHAgwynCERlEzLzFf9yt5a2/2s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=SVRyj+WEaoUgqpwekybn08TQSqH+BltAWpqZL9ufO6QJyWcWFDU91PZtlal75wQuBg MnY0UziFpnfUjQL3FZTYuGznXaOZYtAQlHmCUCDgS3xXDs0ExGXgKn0KxQ4tI3iFN2+8 p1HA8nHINT/GELpelw2jYMGbwSFJBYNk1WhV0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:49:04 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Eventide Time Factor loop mode midi out From: Clifford Novey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d77e5e160b810496dd2ab3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:49:06 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d77e5e160b810496dd2ab3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anyone here using Eventide Time Factor pedal with midi out to a drum machine or other slave device? I simply cannot get it to interpret even the simplest single bar of 4/4 correctly so it sends correct midi clock to drum machine. It is always off and just not correct. I wish my EDP was a pedal. :) Clifford --0016e6d77e5e160b810496dd2ab3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone here using Eventide Time Factor pedal with midi out to a drum machin= e or other slave device? I simply cannot get it to interpret even the simpl= est single bar of 4/4 correctly so it sends correct midi clock to drum mach= ine. It is always off and just not correct.=A0I wish my EDP was a pedal. :)
Clifford --0016e6d77e5e160b810496dd2ab3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 02:58:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B03FC183519; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:x-priority:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=xueaex2Ywylx0ivy8zPqAH4uxujkaPZqb7swJCd59bI=; b=sE3SNOVWl287ATsfb1fhPLl+tvcM007Wkz3mpUBvbHjMrHRcHeQfcMBdRUPjc9xUVr N/yIPewowSO5RJVc2PTw9sHluwqWIMlpGfb3uMj9nhKkhFm/s7cAcwgBiJIuK1yvsrN3 /KqIP1toeqexCIhib2H/lEV3ohpe/W+2rPs1w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=JEOfskECetTfsPQNScGlqzUJEzHjf0HCSHj2pzExEtpIB+TA/fBHKiylzJk3XARenP dbPGR6V0gCX6h6X9BXtYQIdjSr5dHHUSssXxIJPe3ylzit0z18xmBfRVf4vFeqDqPRgK 7ODZFfHM5n0A343wop8pSCFSLC9devTme0i5M= Subject: Pedal, Table or Rack Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Matthias Grob X-Priority: Normal In-Reply-To: <1422041587-1291766476-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-776605567-@bda2841.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:57:44 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1422041587-1291766476-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-776605567-@bda2841.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:58:20 +0000 (UTC) whats so much better about a pedal? bending over does not bother you and the public? you can connect a pedal to a table model but to a pedal you hardly can = connect a hand controller, right? On 7 Dec 2010, at 21:01, cnovey@gmail.com wrote: > God I wish my EDP was a pedal. > :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 03:11:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DF9B183524; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 03:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=j0T0wpp7tWnMtH9G8PWL4qy1U+6HqEG+QmljeVGoRhg=; b=VbJg1T4fMti+mOwUCK4QfIdaJ2CNyz4EhdgZSilyWysQnK2ulM+UstCF3HJ6H4nAdd 9R9T2UzFs1IHmyn8ml16JIrXt4av9bzOAonk1DLaKh6mD1zvX8B/2U0/YDRDc9BTZcWB l/lD2wK6TgWTEz2sa1Tuwgi/knlCso3iFkOSI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=u/8RETyOZFyM/0UbYGXOmxidSEC9eK49+v/CR+KNZ9q9E9y2HH1X1WhJr6jmT1K2lS jrQwwJDHmxCgEG/7dJo7fgwcWqK0g3RhILsD228JWYPfQAjeiqcKnoPTOxgCP4Q6JdrF fjZFcWiEKiC/JfbZqxGEgR3BQ8M5H09whjCXM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 19:11:35 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ricks Spotify link From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <6Ac_p.A.DSH.pdv_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 03:11:37 +0000 (UTC) I think this is it: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/ Awesome, if depressing, page. On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:08 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Does anyone have handy that depressing link that Rick posted a while back > about how bad Spotify is as regards paying artists? I need to post it/tweet > it as often as I post a link to Spotify, to ease my conscience or > something... > > PS: BTW I tried the archives, cant get them to work right now... > > Mark > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 03:27:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A5B5183503; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 03:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5SDKn6cXmd7MLGpAC9HzOjy7gWtchs/eeovjX3Fu5o4=; b=bz7ihpqRyWP1m4+YOAJrgMN6zZ47j6s5hxsCRio86Zrr/WJrVEBKkaDTMCqfamQL7E +SWsfDuhyQ6HPOEjYjrUwa0j5ycp/ZYDJ7o8lyuO3+0mp2W7YOMmhWt0nkTPek0l9CpF o61mlortOgjv9kKOKvESiDAtUpD7M3qfOJOzk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=ICDTavDuVQqYgYPD1p0rz5obNabXivXxq1uPEOh/WDxjMi4op1m4Q3LuFyJfjmj2Kt qp5uBvyr8qfqsab85dXmL3RclZzFYyl18ZblKzFK3aXLzuRYF+Tdc5ucyIKhS0+FAKYK FjWinJ2tSsy0a7MjUoYOIdyQr9qIn4nEbyU7Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <1422041587-1291766476-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-776605567-@bda2841.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 19:27:23 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Pedal, Table or Rack From: Clifford Novey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b98aa14ee300496ddb315 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 03:27:24 +0000 (UTC) --0016363b98aa14ee300496ddb315 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Matthias, What's better for me is I don't have to carry a rack unit to a gig and find space for it, etc. I'm totally done with that. I did it for years and it was a big hassle for me personally. With pedals I can have them all on a board and fit all into a zippered SKB case with handles and shoulder strap along with other items like cables and so forth. Why would I need a hand controller for a pedal? Any rack unit will require a pedal- a midi foot controller or whatever. Yet another power cord, another thing to malfunction, etc. Also I've never seen anyone with rack units and no other pedals (unless super expensive Bob Bradshaw type setups) and they will invariably have to bend over to adjust those other pedals. I totally get your point on that- I've watched video footage of some of my gigs and there are times where the bending over is distracting- but not terribly more so than if I was walking over to a rack and twisting knobs/pushing buttons. My personal goal this past year or so has been to simplify and avoiding rack gear is a key requirement. I truly love my EDP but I will always have pedals, of that I am sure- so I prefer to commit to that format in my quest to keep things as simple as possible. Always a compromise- but more and more can be done with pedals now than ever before. The Time Factor has overdub and replace with latch or punch for each. I can adjust the pitch like tape or chromatic or in 7ths or 5ths or octaves. Delay mode has a hold function and so forth. Also it is stereo which I use now and has midi clock i/o. Of course I miss undo, insert, and a million other things about my EDP but I am more content with a simpler feature in pedal format. Regards, Clifford On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > whats so much better about a pedal? > bending over does not bother you and the public? > > you can connect a pedal to a table model but to a pedal you hardly can > connect a hand controller, right? > > On 7 Dec 2010, at 21:01, cnovey@gmail.com wrote: > > God I wish my EDP was a pedal. > > :) > > --0016363b98aa14ee300496ddb315 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Matthias,
=A0
What's better for me=A0is I don't have to carry a rack unit to= a gig and find space for it, etc. I'm totally done with that. I did it= for years and it was a big hassle for me personally. With pedals I can=A0h= ave them all on a board and fit=A0all into a zippered SKB case with handles= and shoulder strap along with other items like cables and so forth.
Why would I need a hand controller for a pedal? Any rack unit will req= uire a pedal- a midi foot controller or whatever. Yet another power cord, a= nother thing to malfunction, etc. Also I've never seen anyone with rack= units and no other pedals (unless super expensive Bob Bradshaw type setups= ) and they will invariably have to bend over to adjust those other pedals.<= /div>
I totally get your point on that- I've watched video footage of so= me of my gigs and there are times where the bending over is distracting- bu= t not terribly more so than if I was walking over to a rack and twisting kn= obs/pushing buttons.
=A0
My personal goal this past year or so=A0has been=A0to simplify and avo= iding rack gear is a key requirement.
=A0
I truly=A0love my EDP but I will always have pedals, of that I am sure= - so I prefer to commit to that format in my quest to keep things as simple= as possible.
=A0
Always a compromise- but more and more can be done with pedals now tha= n ever before. The=A0Time Factor has overdub and replace with latch or punc= h for each. I can adjust the pitch like tape or chromatic or in 7ths or 5th= s or octaves. Delay mode has a hold function and so forth. Also it is stere= o which I use now and has midi clock i/o. Of course I miss undo, insert, an= d a million other things about my EDP but I am more content with a simpler = feature in pedal format.
=A0
Regards,=A0
=A0
Clifford=A0

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.= com> wrote:
whats so much better about a ped= al?
bending over does not bother you and the public?

you can conn= ect a pedal to a table model but to a pedal you hardly can connect a hand c= ontroller, right?

On 7 Dec 2010, at 21:01, cnovey@gma= il.com wrote:
> =A0God I wish my EDP was a pedal.
> :)
<= br>

--0016363b98aa14ee300496ddb315-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 03:28:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3397618351B; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 03:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=co7zPlYVzw4gf-0oK-0A:9 a=9Ab_a5reeW8vJD4C8I8A:7 a=gFFRkd4m-VTzQC_-h8hGOiC9R5YA:4 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Pedal, Table or Rack X-Priority: Normal Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 19:28:14 -0800 References: <1422041587-1291766476-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-776605567-@bda2841.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 03:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Matti, Depends on the end-user. My 2 cents . . . I prefer rack because: =95 I can always control it with a pedal of some sort if I need or want =20= to via MIDI or whatever. =95 I can always just grab a knob too at some point on a rack unit (if =20= it's not on the bottom and near the floor). =95 Floor units potentially must take a lot of abuse, scratches, dings, =20= dents, dust and beer - rack gear gets some protection. =95 And, yes, me bending over onstage is not a pretty sight (LOL) But I can understand those who want to travel lightly and compactly =20 with just their instrument and a few floor boxes. I suppose if you are young enough to be attractive while bending over =20= that can even be part of the show (ha). I hate "desktop" units because they are neither fish nor fowl and you =20= have to treat them "differently" than everything else. They are generally neither rugged like floor boxes, nor convenient to =20= organize and wire up like rack gear. Table top units are possibly fine for people who's primary musical =20 activity happens in a studio and who never leave to "play out." Just my opinion . . . the only change I ever wished for my EDP was =20 stereo and it looks like EchoLoop solves that very nicely. Cheers, Ted On Dec 7, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > whats so much better about a pedal? > bending over does not bother you and the public? > > you can connect a pedal to a table model but to a pedal you hardly =20 > can connect a hand controller, right? > > On 7 Dec 2010, at 21:01, cnovey@gmail.com wrote: >> God I wish my EDP was a pedal. >> :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 03:35:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B44B418352F; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 03:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-08_02:2010-12-08,2010-12-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012070240 Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Kenn Lowy In-reply-to: <20101208024909.3710418350C@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 22:35:29 -0500 Message-id: <16E5415A-7448-4C42-98F3-0B20F6BFE53F@me.com> References: <20101208024909.3710418350C@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 03:35:34 +0000 (UTC) He does allow pictures now. The announcement that was made before the concert was "no cameras with flash". He's mellowed a bit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 03:37:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B5A8183531; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 03:37:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhkFAKKM/kxHq+9F/2dsb2JhbACVN44TwhWFSQSEYoki X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,314,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="81886280" X-Previous-IP: 71.171.239.69 Message-Id: <8BB3F9AC-F9B9-43F7-BD58-524FB9B0E173@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <16E5415A-7448-4C42-98F3-0B20F6BFE53F@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:39:54 -0600 References: <20101208024909.3710418350C@hemlock.violacea.com> <16E5415A-7448-4C42-98F3-0B20F6BFE53F@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 03:37:45 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 7, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Kenn Lowy wrote: > He does allow pictures now. The announcement that was made before > the concert was "no cameras with flash". He's mellowed a bit. > I know he's revered here, but (I have to confess), he comes off as a complete douche nozzle in just about every interview with him I've read. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 03:43:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99CEE183546; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 03:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nbP65QS0BwfJ/V2OnOcBSLztKKyXRvRCL4HK4aaULuo=; b=wqs4m8LS1okVGJJVO+byLc1vqVWGJqfpOWk1upoXlSuFb9IWGIh+E8ZACAlPfHmkv8 /jmnFW3o7gCd9n8uoySanEqglgudjcSXa8IoP1iipq1e9ljHiVxICdCycs1jrOJeOVXY +Y0dpitVpEgtsX2NqrDzeDJtUTHRAChcnjZwU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VVSfW9p5bbLPeN4AiYnht57QF3QW7CgHU+B1JSQsrRFAWzxR9V6D+xyxZBGyMjthic ABKurBOyqQSn1H+V9Uc233Bj1ZhKLcUbfq6mMqJpqmtm2HNUS9FVwT3JmxPUye5+A2TP S8keT/0lHRs91C19T9X9tnH0MVm0H14kva2Zc= Message-ID: <4CFEFEBE.3080101@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 22:42:54 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pedal, Table or Rack References: <1422041587-1291766476-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-776605567-@bda2841.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 03:42:59 +0000 (UTC) I like tabletop stuff, because gear is no good to me if I can't tweak. It feels like the whole point - if I have knobs, I wanna use 'em! :) And hands have more dexterity than feet, so even if it means I have to take my grip off my instrument, I'd rather have those knobs in easy reach and sight. Pedal switches are never easy on the hands, and rack controls is organized in a long narrow line, not easy to navigate quickly. I wish more things were available in a tabletop format. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 04:03:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BF26183555; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 04:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_SXX2kj6Lpk4JL7S4z2jk/Q)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012060108 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-06_12:2010-12-06,2010-12-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 References: <7866F728-4191-499B-8AEB-277D979C30E7@mac.com> In-reply-to: Message-id: <7A5FB8CA-B0D8-492D-9B8D-57A2E21E320E@mac.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148) From: Daniel Berkman Subject: Re: Softstep Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:42:55 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 04:03:30 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_SXX2kj6Lpk4JL7S4z2jk/Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Awesome! Thank you! I'll check that out, too!=20 -Daniel _____________________ Daniel Berkman | Colfax=20 Kora =E2=80=A2 Gravikord =E2=80=A2 Handsonic=20 Musician =E2=80=A2 Composer =E2=80=A2 Producer www.danielberkman.com Phone: (415) 254-4895 Email: danielberkman@mac.com On Dec 6, 2010, at 3:53 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Daniel,=20 >=20 > Do exactly as Per says... on the softstep, you might wanna investigate usi= ng the "KEY NOTES" preset (or name to that effect) This is set up to play mi= di notes.. you should HEAR them, as Softstep is set up to play the DLS softs= ynth.. On each pad, change the output pad to softstep share.. (I think thats= right) and save. Your NEXT scene, could be based on the same set, but now c= hange the midio notes to ONE higher, so your banks run from 1-10, then bank 2= 11-20 etc etc... >=20 > then you can use SLs midi learn as Per described.. >=20 > Mark >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Daniel, >=20 > Check the SooperLooper manual. It is very simple: >=20 > 1) the SoftSTep sends certain midi events when kicked at the pads. > 2) SooperLooper reacts to the incoming events. >=20 > But you have to tell SooperLooper how to react on different events. > That is also simple if you use the MIDI learn page in SL. I recommend > using the Softstep to send MIDI notes for controlling "on/off" type of > actions in Sooperlooper (like "Record", "Mute", "Overdub" etc). And > for controlling continuous parameters (like "Volume", "Feedback" etc) > you should bind a MIDI CC from Softstep. >=20 > When you connect Softstep by a USB cable to a computer the Softstep > should appear just like any MIDI In port to the computer and any > software you may run on it. So classic MIDI routing how-to applies > here. >=20 > Per >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Daniel Berkman wro= te: > > Thank you Per. I kinda figured that part out. > > There are no tutorials or vids on the Internet about how to set up Softs= tep for Sooperlooper and I'm looking for some help. > > I got somewhere with midi patchbay and got little results. At least they= are talking to eachother. > > But, for instance how can I get a pad to trigger record when you step on= it, then to play when you step on it again? > > I'm really new to this type of programming so excuse the naivet=C3=A9. > > Any ideas? > > > > > > _____________________ > > > > Daniel Berkman | Colfax > > Kora =E2=80=A2 Gravikord =E2=80=A2 Handsonic > > Musician =E2=80=A2 Composer =E2=80=A2 Producer > > www.danielberkman.com > > Phone: (415) 254-4895 > > Email: danielberkman@mac.com > > > > On Dec 5, 2010, at 3:00 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Daniel Berkman w= rote: > >>> I just got my first Softstep. Beautiful! > >>> Anyone know how to connect it to Sooperlooper? > >> > >> USB. > >> > >> per > >> > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --Boundary_(ID_SXX2kj6Lpk4JL7S4z2jk/Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Awesome! Thank you! I'll check that out= , too! 

-Daniel

__________________= ___

Daniel Berkman | Colfax 
Kora =E2= =80=A2 Gravikord =E2=80=A2 Handsonic 
Musician =E2=80=A2 Compos= er =E2=80=A2 Producer
Phone: (415) 254-48= 95

On Dec 6, 2010, at 3:53 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
Daniel,

Do exa= ctly as Per says... on the softstep, you might wanna investigate using the "= KEY NOTES" preset (or name to that effect) This is set up to play midi notes= .. you should HEAR them, as Softstep is set up to play the DLS softsynth.. O= n each pad, change the output pad to softstep share.. (I think thats right) a= nd save. Your NEXT scene, could be based on the same set, but now change the= midio notes to ONE higher, so your banks run from 1-10, then bank 2 11-20 e= tc etc...

then you can use SLs midi learn as Per described..

Mark

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Daniel,

Check the SooperLooper manual. It is very simple:

1) the SoftSTep sends certain midi events when kicked at the pads.
2) SooperLooper reacts to the incoming events.

But you have to tell SooperLooper how to react on different events.
That is also simple if you use the MIDI learn page in SL. I recommend
using the Softstep to send MIDI notes for controlling "on/off" type of
actions in Sooperlooper (like "Record", "Mute", "Overdub" etc). And
for controlling continuous parameters (like "Volume", "Feedback" etc)
you should bind a MIDI CC from Softstep.

When you connect Softstep by a USB cable to a computer the Softstep
should appear just like any MIDI In port to the computer and any
software you may run on it. So classic MIDI routing how-to applies
here.

Per



On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Daniel Berkman <danielberkman@mac.c= om> wrote:
> Thank you Per. I kinda figured that part out.
> There are no tutorials or vids on the Internet about how to set up Soft= step for Sooperlooper and I'm looking for some help.
> I got somewhere with midi patchbay and got little results. At least the= y are talking to eachother.
> But, for instance how can I get a pad to trigger record when you step o= n it, then to play when you step on it again?
> I'm really new to this type of programming so excuse the naivet=C3=A9.<= br> > Any ideas?
>
>
> _____________________
>
> Daniel Berkman | Colfax
> Kora =E2=80=A2 Gravikord =E2=80=A2 Handsonic
> Musician =E2=80=A2 Composer =E2=80=A2 Producer
> www.danielberkman.com
> Phone: (415) 254-4895
> Email: danielberkman@mac.com
>
> On Dec 5, 2010, at 3:00 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Daniel Berkman <danielberk= man@mac.com> wrote:
>>> I just got my first Softstep. Beautiful!
>>> Anyone know how to connect it to Sooperlooper?
>>
>> USB.
>>
>> per
>>
>
>




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www.ordoabkhao.com
t= witter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
<= a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no
= --Boundary_(ID_SXX2kj6Lpk4JL7S4z2jk/Q)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 04:07:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15E9218355E; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 04:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QfO7kF06LyB/7hUu/dteZjfwndtbLczyHdX3PxCz3f8=; b=waaREfcSPp5W+kT0did4HwQXpu51zZd2CHfc1iuMYsPZZj9h7i4fQVQHJ0w0e6nBz5 2tTqUDvEMAGrnL/xNZNjT0dzWXF2kqVQXKxFHTtR8vtssSEL11UFoerFI073sSY+bMLM rrqE1aMXiDG1YtJ3vjukYwMxG4E7rh/5LAQtM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=Ovdw9epNIeWmn1/RODRH8zosNTiU3nrd1E/3Y4is1f+rFLAxW8Wh+faTNKE8OZeJWI wXMq3tDLovRXjFkAF4NIonkid2zq3j0GK5ftwvPl6QcX0sJ12xY3Q8WAKmjFxuSz3F9V gGdYmE3D21uQx3bTe9L8t5a0N4bgAcd8jfNkU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4CFEFEBE.3080101@gmail.com> References: <1422041587-1291766476-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-776605567-@bda2841.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4CFEFEBE.3080101@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 20:07:03 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Pedal, Table or Rack From: Clifford Novey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364c7939f92c410496de4034 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 04:07:05 +0000 (UTC) --0016364c7939f92c410496de4034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anyone else notice the first 3 replies are from 3 different people who all prefer a different one of the 3 basic types discussed? :) C On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I like tabletop stuff, because gear is no good to me if I can't tweak. It > feels like the whole point - if I have knobs, I wanna use 'em! :) And hands > have more dexterity than feet, so even if it means I have to take my grip > off my instrument, I'd rather have those knobs in easy reach and sight. > > Pedal switches are never easy on the hands, and rack controls is organized > in a long narrow line, not easy to navigate quickly. I wish more things were > available in a tabletop format. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > --0016364c7939f92c410496de4034 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone else notice the first 3 replies are from 3 different people who= all prefer a different one of the 3 basic types discussed?
:)
C

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Daryl Shawn <darylshawn@gmail.= com> wrote:
I like tabletop stuff, because g= ear is no good to me if I can't tweak. It feels like the whole point - = if I have knobs, I wanna use 'em! :) And hands have more dexterity than= feet, so even if it means I have to take my grip off my instrument, I'= d rather have those knobs in easy reach and sight.

Pedal switches are never easy on the hands, and rack controls is organi= zed in a long narrow line, not easy to navigate quickly. I wish more things= were available in a tabletop format.

Daryl = Shawn
www.swanwelder.com=


--0016364c7939f92c410496de4034-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 05:36:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0865B183513; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 05:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d7954c18-1247-4519-bc24-ed8cdee8e167_" X-Originating-IP: [86.143.215.214] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: clicks and pops in Ableton Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 05:36:16 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <449250.53119.qm@web29707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <449250.53119.qm@web29707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2010 05:36:16.0630 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5802960:01CB9699] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 05:36:18 +0000 (UTC) --_d7954c18-1247-4519-bc24-ed8cdee8e167_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rune=2C=20 Try increasing your computer's buffer size. The smaller the buffer=2C the h= arder the machine has to work to ensure a smooth audio output. =20 Good luck =20 Gareth =20 Date: Tue=2C 7 Dec 2010 20:57:01 +0000 From: rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Subject: clicks and pops in Ableton To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Hi! My Ableton Live 8.2.1 has pops and clicks. The clicks and pops are not on t= he recorded sound-files. What can I do? Reinstall everything on the mac? best regards Rune F. =20 = --_d7954c18-1247-4519-bc24-ed8cdee8e167_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rune=2C
Try increasing your computer's buffer size. The smaller the buffer=2C the h= arder the machine has to work to ensure a smooth audio output.
 =3B
Good luck
 =3B
Gareth
 =3B
Date: Tue=2C 7 Dec 2010 20:57:01 +0000
From: rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
S= ubject: clicks and pops in Ableton
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.c= om

Hi!

My Ableton Live 8.2.1 has pops and clicks. The clicks and pops are not= on the recorded sound-files. What can I do? Reinstall everything on the ma= c?

best regards Rune F.  =3B  =3B
=
= --_d7954c18-1247-4519-bc24-ed8cdee8e167_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 06:32:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24DA5183506; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 06:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Pedal, Table or Rack Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Mark Hamburg X-Priority: Normal In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:32:25 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1422041587-1291766476-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-776605567-@bda2841.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: <66EdKC.A.51G.8Zy_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 06:32:28 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 7, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > whats so much better about a pedal? > bending over does not bother you and the public? >=20 > you can connect a pedal to a table model but to a pedal you hardly can = connect a hand controller, right? What's so much better? The absence of needing to carry around a rack or = find and position a table on which to put a table top unit. The latter = probably wouldn't matter to me as much if I hadn't taken seriously Kim = Flint's complaints about guitar players sitting down while playing. (Now = I stand and stare at my feet and/or the fretboard.) What's so much better? One piece of equipment instead of two (control = pedal + effects box). So, I would be quite happy with a floorpedal EDP that was if not stereo = then at least "stereo-compatible" -- i.e., it could pass a stereo signal = through while only providing a mono loop. I've wondered on occasion whether my EDPs could be viably repackaged = with their foot controllers or an equivalent controller. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 09:26:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B27D1834E8; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 542685781/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.160/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.160 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah0CADPe/kxV0rGg/2dsb2JhbAAHlTLPVYVJBI15 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,315,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="542685781" Message-ID: <4CFF4F47.4080501@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:26:31 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ricks Spotify link References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon wrote: > I think this is it: > http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/ > Awesome, if depressing, page. > misleading statistics, the artist gets paid for each listen with streaming, not the case when the music is bought by other means. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 09:39:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16AA61834F5; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 545513639/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.160/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.160 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah0CAAPh/kxV0rGg/2dsb2JhbAAHlSrPV4VJBI15 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,315,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="545513639" Message-ID: <4CFF5268.9020701@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:39:52 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia References: <695204D4-BDFA-492E-BE99-2F4A5954FFB6@frontier.com> <4CFCE5A5.8070709@cruzio.com> <4CFD2010.4050604@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_lQBIB.A.mKE.eJ1_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:39:42 +0000 (UTC) > 2010/12/6 Rainer Straschill > > > > Let me ask you this, then: Suppose you had three (or two, or one) > H8000(s): > What would you do with them that you can't do with what you have at > your disposal and that would really bring forward what you do musically? > When I saw Fripp he certainly needed 3 long stereo delays, with 2 of them very precisely the same length. 1 stereo delay was used to create a loop in his front 2 speakers. The other 2 were very carefully routed so that they created a stereo soundfield that gradually swept back over the heads of his audience to the rear 2 speakers. I not heard of anyone else configuring their delays to create spacial movement quite like that, it was impressive, and particularly the synth harps (not a sound I usually enjoy) really seemed to hang in the air a few feet above head height as they gradually moved back. I expect that if he specified top quality reliable audio gear to accomplish this that his setup was not in any way unreasonable. There's a nice Zappa quote about money "Some people put it up their nose, I put it in my ear." andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 10:08:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9F841834FA; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 946238.4739.bm@omp1027.mail.ird.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=sri/eLTOrbjEURFpthHmq+d3magzlI0ffIGyDkmlDrwhcDOzGcKDaZnIjfkHEHkPn4Xcl1HyWNqTYGf0ZIZ2hKXBg1I5A55aMMKgMOu821ZCdwUqpDT0Hb1uGgbeXiS8Dyd0YzruGVJ2ZjhhrT7Ym2UVhcJ8zcIxCUWQEr8PE+s= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1291802922; bh=3rI/Y3RLCvQ1SNHpIWJswUm+XxJSKLDA9RaUWoL7j88=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=xUMfJ+puhxUMn/v7vhDEZZ0vu0Sqd2Ngcuf24TMrIXRjW2/W0Y6X763+lKLdb8lLJHzkuXEBTTPkyZ4CToxOcxTDofKMneoEBM46uWIhUZs7Kl8Ym/GwgEBpseKKHG2KmLzUOWz8N1Y9Ano/UgRXYGteOLpOOnMg1sAFnDJm9jo= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: 8FmoUtoVM1mU1GP0JzwWvjYFs6E0i3CCYpnDiRn9tUtuZI7 gVLOGjSKKIXEkXfxOrwZFzmi0RNH8h.ErXtpvQsxQeElCW_uqcXxlHm6Vsfq Fpq7LCVN03OP1YJmMOE2Z4vnrMAgIMo4_O3jQdD40rcah.Xw2pBV5oBpQwwC .lRul50w1EZqVVdGWxicyasZqgQQfz3AZAOpfnB5lAkPadFiZAellgh3We6y lHwXxjc5CYkbPKySGzCU5YoIZA3Lqh6J27pst0wj5AqiZIzONogAJ682SgaM 2CItp2p0y9ek1uiHSOnBC.ne.iJWTM0X2KtiQvKmebjTTysyt1Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4CFF4F47.4080501@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4CFF4F47.4080501@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-21--36913292 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Ricks Spotify link Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:08:19 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <_7AzoB.A.zDF.sk1_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:08:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-21--36913292 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed This is true - I'd say that Spotify is a good music discovery platform but very bad for people who make a percentage of their living from downloads as people think that simply by listening via Spotify they have "paid" for the music. Spotify is great if you have a large catalogue of masters to create multiple income streams ie you are a major label. They win again. Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 8 Dec 2010, at 09:26, andy butler wrote: > Art Simon wrote: >> I think this is it: >> http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music- >> artists-earn-online/ >> Awesome, if depressing, page. > > misleading statistics, > the artist gets paid for each listen with streaming, > not the case when the music is bought by other means. > --Apple-Mail-21--36913292 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII This is true - I'd say that Spotify is a good music discovery platform = but very bad for people who make a percentage of their living from = downloads as people think that simply by listening via Spotify they have = "paid" for the music. Spotify is great if you have a large catalogue of = masters to create multiple income streams ie you are a major label. They = win again.

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 8 Dec 2010, = at 09:26, andy butler wrote:

Art Simon wrote:
I think this is it:
Awesome, if = depressing, page.

misleading statistics,
the artist gets paid for each listen with = streaming,
not the case when the music is = bought by other means.
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:06:17 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ricks Spotify link References: <4CFF4F47.4080501@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:06:08 +0000 (UTC) hi Matt, Well, maybe it's better to compare Spotify to radio rather than purchasable media. How much do you get paid "per listener" from a radio show? Or compare it to having a vid on YouTube. One thing about Spotify that's nice is they tag completely unknown artists onto the playlists. The Spotify model is going to be the main way people listen (and watch) in the future, I don't think that's avoidable. I only hope that the "major labels" or some equivalent don't find a way to dominate it. Incidently, there was recently quite a boost to the number of people listening to our music from the 2007 Norwich fest since October http://www.andybutler.com/norwichfest.htm I suspect this is mainly down to your "online promotional activities". andy butler Matt Stevens wrote: > This is true - I'd say that Spotify is a good music discovery platform > but very bad for people who make a percentage of their living from > downloads as people think that simply by listening via Spotify they have > "paid" for the music. Spotify is great if you have a large catalogue of > masters to create multiple income streams ie you are a major label. They > win again. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 11:12:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61FEE18350B; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:12:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 396512.33197.bm@omp1006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=cQcnsviTI6uhJsjuRLqOos1Hr4cFUQWaWy2HZBunz7f8gOFGeT7rsbIaj4YguSIA9GMmUgT4DKFIox1P8gkYn1O8Fq06uHVfHSieCg8K9vsZ7StbmMeTXIH9smv9FZXvPxTPmbD84vqGwYEyh1/FoqSUa3v7X1P3xz+f36JeDL0= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1291806739; bh=1jsOg93vwflu/jF2rIMaPpiHvUVeCm6ryf6eHLVK1dY=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=kVY5FgvN4KOhy0IWtODllDObtJUdBkY7/AgM2ZRTC9jCe2MH5i33IeMyIf5CxXYHSRkRQIviiwCHnBj0mkS3QZpASJvc6z6IMi2aZQD3GUULAyDV9E1bRsWdeWLXfwDSkj6h+4Y78nkqV1K1omIjduBK8dUUJuG9x0+VdLlcyJU= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: ZJ_i714VM1kLSw499eRR3s8haqJOG9ckIzssO4bgDewFIHX zFk3oJwV0gWFbdoY7ZtEPLlPSR4c0T2dpDGCxy7.3Ek7dKxHjBWRJ.LxE9Yd Q2Nvk.v44IZC2FglgaoCc6FYLlm.kEmfvond1_Q9_ToYQ1keZ8TmtQgqn6Ue 8NsgWru4VV7WDxefF91FmrcMCzcxnbysop6hvpbZdDOTaiBxhLkfYzzWOHdv h364OwfzwXCJpzioePpR0jIx0sLwQNAuX7oJ_nfu9bFBvazMZmBA_SRxBubz kwHgER9zan3IBM8Rmc1Q- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4CFF66A9.1030002@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4CFF4F47.4080501@tiscali.co.uk> <4CFF66A9.1030002@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-24--33096538 Message-Id: <30B3C014-BD92-4946-B63B-9699552908F8@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Ricks Spotify link Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:11:55 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:12:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-24--33096538 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Interesting - that was a wonderful day in Norwich. I agree, its going to be that streaming becomes the way we consume music - it just seems logical. Have you seen this: http://www.tubeify.com/ Its a mixture of Last FM and youtube - last fm to catalogue youtube videos. This allows you to listen to virtually any album free at any time - including the artists that are hold out on Spotify - ie Crimson, Floyd etc - very clever and no adds! Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 8 Dec 2010, at 11:06, andy butler wrote: > hi Matt, > > Well, maybe it's better to compare Spotify to radio > rather than purchasable media. > > How much do you get paid "per listener" from a radio show? > > Or compare it to having a vid on YouTube. > > One thing about Spotify that's nice is they tag completely unknown > artists onto the playlists. > > The Spotify model is going to be the main way people listen (and > watch) > in the future, I don't think that's avoidable. I only hope > that the "major labels" or some equivalent don't find > a way to dominate it. > > > Incidently, there was recently quite a boost to the number of people > listening to our music from the 2007 Norwich fest since October > http://www.andybutler.com/norwichfest.htm > I suspect this is mainly down to your "online promotional activities". > > > andy butler > > Matt Stevens wrote: >> This is true - I'd say that Spotify is a good music discovery >> platform but very bad for people who make a percentage of their >> living from downloads as people think that simply by listening via >> Spotify they have "paid" for the music. Spotify is great if you >> have a large catalogue of masters to create multiple income >> streams ie you are a major label. They win again. > --Apple-Mail-24--33096538 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Interesting - that was a wonderful day in Norwich.

I = agree, its going to be that streaming becomes the way we consume music - = it just seems logical. Have you seen this:


=
Its a mixture of Last FM and youtube - last fm to catalogue = youtube videos. This allows you to listen to virtually any album free at = any time - including the artists that are hold out on Spotify - ie = Crimson, Floyd etc - very clever and no = adds!



Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 8 Dec 2010, = at 11:06, andy butler wrote:

hi Matt,

Well, maybe it's better to = compare Spotify to radio
rather than = purchasable media.
How much do you get paid "per = listener" from a radio show?

Or compare it to having a vid on = YouTube.

One thing about Spotify that's nice is they tag = completely unknown
artists onto the = playlists.

The Spotify model is going to be the main way people = listen (and watch)
in the future, I don't = think that's avoidable. I only hope
that the = "major labels" or some equivalent don't find
a way to dominate it.


Incidently, there was recently = quite a boost to the number of people
I suspect this is mainly = down to your "online promotional activities".


andy = butler

Matt Stevens wrote:
This is true - I'd say that = Spotify is a good music discovery platform but very bad for people who = make a percentage of their living from downloads as people think that = simply by listening via Spotify they have "paid" for the music. Spotify = is great if you have a large catalogue of masters to create multiple = income streams ie you are a major label. They win again.
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= --Apple-Mail-24--33096538-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 11:13:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D0E218350C; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 422045.7285.bm@omp1029.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=CVxltfNLgRBg7ooCrfB7Jp9RelXWtrBbfbQxdtW342ioJRXHiYy/5sGuxhvRBzcBWxX7c+rp/3CPCgwwHl65MlV8PWrAe9cCn8aDIlOX4LEAaHxWGpsF8377GOXmonFp/dy/jyXsPjKhmz4O82szuCkXwZIwxhyaszxtW+PVsmo= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1291806837; bh=XqSoPGCWmwzukn2xOQbxjhU+VLIOS5hBnpGNryxAqYg=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=kpOZeA+AKAHIM0WT3NkFMyIfkiIAKf2QlgopzMfnermlzLwkleyR0VtWvsA5CqRE8+jR0Z5cznb/S6e3U9DlXq1JtKxwULpprKlOk/YrmRhLB0Di2DJ5Hm1lKcA+dHbPq12UfH9irU/EJZHPGgNOM1Nm/x5ANdAt3vrtNfaLGsY= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: cQjly_wVM1mRQ4FBrOSNhhgb9oOEPsFg.QeFEoxVlYUWQVu zZo_GnOM0BujEEtHUf3QwnLtUSCMh8Z6KDsxh8GLEvmioyOQ6g5EZWlGZlF6 U7MVdk.AmFJebkmnhhbAwEgsZPLR0JuUiP4IUdyNO72mfUPJu9zZX.cnQgBz GexcbE6_xOasADTXD2Qruzp1CMvBKTypY1B92OvC8U0tkfHGG8NwIMLccUSj _KQ83k27tue.3QYTce706QfMdKfKmsqYOg5rJ2NFns2XrI9xF4SdmOBpjUXE uURldhcllYN42GNgGssE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4CFF66A9.1030002@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4CFF4F47.4080501@tiscali.co.uk> <4CFF66A9.1030002@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-25--32998353 Message-Id: <99EE0E94-1161-4D00-B4B8-2D3F5EAA0B1A@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Ricks Spotify link Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:13:34 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:13:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-25--32998353 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Of course all this depends if 4chan decide to switch off the internet :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 8 Dec 2010, at 11:06, andy butler wrote: > hi Matt, > > Well, maybe it's better to compare Spotify to radio > rather than purchasable media. > > How much do you get paid "per listener" from a radio show? > > Or compare it to having a vid on YouTube. > > One thing about Spotify that's nice is they tag completely unknown > artists onto the playlists. > > The Spotify model is going to be the main way people listen (and > watch) > in the future, I don't think that's avoidable. I only hope > that the "major labels" or some equivalent don't find > a way to dominate it. > > > Incidently, there was recently quite a boost to the number of people > listening to our music from the 2007 Norwich fest since October > http://www.andybutler.com/norwichfest.htm > I suspect this is mainly down to your "online promotional activities". > > > andy butler > > Matt Stevens wrote: >> This is true - I'd say that Spotify is a good music discovery >> platform but very bad for people who make a percentage of their >> living from downloads as people think that simply by listening via >> Spotify they have "paid" for the music. Spotify is great if you >> have a large catalogue of masters to create multiple income >> streams ie you are a major label. They win again. > --Apple-Mail-25--32998353 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Of course all this depends if = 4chan decide to switch off the internet :)
 
Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 8 Dec 2010, = at 11:06, andy butler wrote:

hi Matt,

Well, maybe it's better to = compare Spotify to radio
rather than = purchasable media.
How much do you get paid "per = listener" from a radio show?

Or compare it to having a vid on = YouTube.

One thing about Spotify that's nice is they tag = completely unknown
artists onto the = playlists.

The Spotify model is going to be the main way people = listen (and watch)
in the future, I don't = think that's avoidable. I only hope
that the = "major labels" or some equivalent don't find
a way to dominate it.


Incidently, there was recently = quite a boost to the number of people
I suspect this is mainly = down to your "online promotional activities".


andy = butler

Matt Stevens wrote:
This is true - I'd say that = Spotify is a good music discovery platform but very bad for people who = make a percentage of their living from downloads as people think that = simply by listening via Spotify they have "paid" for the music. Spotify = is great if you have a large catalogue of masters to create multiple = income streams ie you are a major label. They win again.
=

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= --Apple-Mail-25--32998353-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 11:17:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABAFA183519; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4CFF6925.8020509@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 03:16:53 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: "RICK WALKER- 412 Darwin Street (back house)" , "Y2KXloopfest@yahoo.com" Subject: SUPERIOR DRUMS for looping References: <20101208092629.8B0231834F7@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20101208092629.8B0231834F7@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Luis Angulo just sent me this video demoing the newest version of EZ drummer software called Superior Drums http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roLX4ZW2Ldk I have to say that I"m incredibly skeptical about drum emulation software. I keep hearing programs that just don't do it for me. Mind you, I"m a snob because I've played dozens of different kits in dozens of studios in hundreds of styles of musics in my career as a studio drummer/percussionist and producer. But I have to say, this demo just blew me away........do yourself a favor and listen to the whole demo (you'll learn a lot about producing great drum sounds just from hearing this guy give the demo which is, itself, worth the price (free) of admission. Of course, one caveat is that one of the world's best studio drummers is playing the kits in real time so the other half of this enchilada is programming, but this is the most realistic assemblage of samples replete with phase coherent microphones in different positions created by world class engineers in world class studios with world class microphones and world class ambient environments. I am incredibly impressed! If I didn't know how to get stuff like this with my own equipment tens of thousands of dollars worth of recording gear and world class drums and cymbals, I'd buy it in a heart beat. I just might anyway! check it out and thanks, Luis for the hit! Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 13:20:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A49C01834CD; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rDrxt77xhVvU3IwVuE6/2OQQdhM1RSy2yj2ztZ/xr+w=; b=GC/dfzB2w2cdJBizw0kE3GUUCQ9XuoGoAGfnqOF/x//CoVB9oXt2eAXjc1tMMrYSAU ee96dbhsGMi5KyCfUiefPNvANjAt6H7nbV5hlqBEMFbAq0v33QAktnqb45yZ3i5lmDPL IJnefMe45HJ4+ae0kmIz2WTBBhjfAh4VxtZfo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=O5P98q9AxgTcM7vgcp/6eFdL5we1LvKTuUhqNzbVRbgy/+oWEaZPn31u9oRMP2QvTV 4it6hnh8t9KMvHkBoLORCjCEhiPmQ+ZbbRIRlxbC7pJBZuyWGihksCgAQGzPCHKSVWJW 4FWZk2pK236IMdeEVMS7UnhmnMHOVMgsXqvvM= Message-ID: <4CFF8630.6040807@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:20:48 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dumb newbie's question...Ableton anyone? References: <3CE789B3C5B94BC4B8D305466B1BBB39@bob> <656913.74830.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <656913.74830.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Am 29.11.10 18:47, schrieb antonyhequet@yahoo.com: > the problem with computers is that they tend to draw your attention away > from the music and into the screen... If you are aware of it, and create your own looper, be it in Max/MSP Bidule, Live or whatever, you don't need more attention to visual feedback as with other gear (assuming you use some sort of Midi controllers...). The reason why there are more posts about hardware loopers is because its more complicated to achieve uses the manufacturer did not envision in the first place. You need all sorts of tips and tricks from experienced users to get around. If you create a looper yourself, you just implement what you need, but this is also hard to share, because its bound to your personal creation. Yes creating an instrument also takes time, but its well invested, the rest is discipline, as with any instrument... I am here to read and talk about the music, much more than to read or talk about gear... I just start to use Ableton, for the simple reason, that it can host Max/MSP patches as Max4Live. But for performing I am completely happy with Max alone... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles--------x-- -_____-----------|-----------|-- -(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- - _|_)----|-----()-------------- ---------()----------TJ Shredder http://tjshredder.wordpress.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 13:24:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A4D6183510; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: USB drives me nuts Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:24:36 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 thread-index: AcuWMlL1ZgPfVbDhQQG9xsDpzFfPIw== X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.4.122; VDF: 7.10.14.220) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:24:42 +0000 (UTC) My Vista notebook has 3 USB ports. I currently use them for: Soundcard, Axon Midi controller, Steinberg key, Midi-2-USB, Nanokontrol, Nanokey (until its usb plug broke off), Nanopad (probably I have forgotten one or two). I use a passive little hub to plug them all in. The thing that I wasn't aware of is that apparently it is important to plug the devices exactly into the ports that were used during the installation. Otherwise, often they aren't recognized. Today, I spent some time (not for the first time) to persuade my system to recognize the Axon controller and the Steinberg key again - each of them had been working before but not today. This drives me nuts because I find it hard to understand the pattern of this, much less the reason why this happens. My intuition believes all devices should work everytime, independent where I plug them in. Are there simple rules of thumb? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 14:28:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A3211834F4; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AoWDHPXVkYN8ob8yN4E29yPr8OSNTI4jrNx3FDbXmBY=; b=kUfy7L+QjaJEYf/N+rU5zcJqxMop+fb6FIKbJ4yRSg93hbUq2tbYEOtQNJp5E6XKgR YiLArLh7w11vQdOco7+kuJNY1fgxCXz4cqCbXyylAfYC4sXbpkgYGQMh76okriUImIS1 qEV61JNc0/irOxxKNp7WK9UrYZv3z+xuwNCBE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jQVX9ze+IxYb3PGV777coCNVdZ2RGzV7dbTdBddTfcJgseUaoqSwSTcrD32GNC6lMS SsepbXqvkZD90E+t7QenEpW5dgJ8n2ZnKQb8tYlgXq7n8DzvKtF6d3MSzNZbY/3esTlL MUrrk0jNKNSEiYQFFsOIMcAlznDkpQWY9Xc2U= Message-ID: <4CFF9606.3090609@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:28:22 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ricks Spotify link References: <4CFF4F47.4080501@tiscali.co.uk> <4CFF66A9.1030002@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4CFF66A9.1030002@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Good point here, Andy. Assuming that people are streaming complete albums (and perhaps that's a whole other discussion - but me, I stream albums), then one should divide the streaming figures by 10, the average track count per album. Furthermore, if a person likes an album, they'll stream to it multiple times. With a track download, or a cd sale, there is that one single purchase. With streaming, you'll see revenue each time it's played, in perpetuity (if that even exists with anything related to recorded music or the 'Net). I use streaming services almost exclusively to listen to music, and there are some albums I've listened to dozens of times, and will keep doing so. I may not have approached 100 times very often - with Rhapsody's one-US-cent-per-play model, assuming ten tracks per album, it will take 100 album listens to reach the price of an album download on iTunes - but over years, I may. And of course, as with all virtual media, there is no cost associated per unit, as with a physical CD. Finally, I believe that as streams replace tracks, people will feel less inclined to "steal" (I use that loosely) tracks through P2P or whatever, and more inclined simply to listen on their choice of streaming service. It's simply easier to search a catalog and play instantly than trolling through the web, downloading, then playing. I remember seeing discussion on Twitter from Zoe Keating and Matt Stevens (right, Matt?) about the number of times their tracks had been downloaded through torrent sites, it was quite stunning. I do hope that Rhapsody's payout model, the highest of the streaming services, wins out over Spotify. But that chance may be slim. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > hi Matt, > > Well, maybe it's better to compare Spotify to radio > rather than purchasable media. > > How much do you get paid "per listener" from a radio show? > > Or compare it to having a vid on YouTube. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 14:29:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68E8D1834F0; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cqPExGWICYUqG1hTnxe2QfpnS4J0xmcGoR+ebucEq48=; b=sig8v5+SKterTM1i/Z6dVGo2G4oJVrcc5SoFQCVIssQvVQ7oz07p/RtaZsGk1iKdRk aF1NbTWLzFnE1Tz4CUu3fltUEpWpanYbY0OJvbei1baKV3/DEDgLGldFAQHIxJQAt0Ui 4ff98tE7Ho4QDGd4GaXZ9ys1bC3pltr5Z93Zs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OJc7AinMKCb727hShHncXCn9VwYf/vWmpnmMAjKeEgrJxWkNTYIbvdpgw5d7AxF0X9 TLBLNAVrTTcuvy6PYFM4o+EQ0ChG2SsO6Fibrd67Z+TjZI54T1UdlTXVTQbf41YC58pc jtqlhmXhOyrKaporMNaZoOan0gkLwUXAYNK0Y= Message-ID: <4CFF9639.5080001@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:29:13 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pedal, Table or Rack References: <1422041587-1291766476-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-776605567-@bda2841.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4CFEFEBE.3080101@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Fair & balanced, that's LD. :P Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Anyone else notice the first 3 replies are from 3 different people who > all prefer a different one of the 3 basic types discussed? > :) > C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 14:42:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49D4C183500; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=jsjmMl50AAAA:8 a=Ysi9088az5RSztFF3RgA:9 a=N7RkazhbA7PqJ9jArpcwk14lIz8A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: <14EF1D49-9689-4562-87C2-EFC57E6D4814@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4CFF9639.5080001@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Pedal, Table or Rack Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 06:41:57 -0800 References: <1422041587-1291766476-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-776605567-@bda2841.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4CFEFEBE.3080101@gmail.com> <4CFF9639.5080001@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:41:59 +0000 (UTC) And I did start my email out like this: "Depends on the end-user. My 2 cents . . . I prefer . . ." On Dec 8, 2010, at 6:29 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Fair & balanced, that's LD. :P > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > >> Anyone else notice the first 3 replies are from 3 different people >> who all prefer a different one of the 3 basic types discussed? >> :) >> C > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 14:52:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F63D18350C; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:52:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1031154904.432082.1291819953695.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: USB drives me nuts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_432081_2019854623.1291819953695" X-Originating-IP: [170.63.96.108] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2431.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.5_GA_2427.RHEL4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:52:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_432081_2019854623.1291819953695 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Michael, With MIDI devices the rule is to try to always plug them into the same USB port. In XP, anyway, there are a limited number (eleven, I think it was) of MIDI ports available and if you plug the same device into two different USB ports at different times it will wind up having two MIDI ports assigned to it, one to each USB port. I ran into this problem when I got a Steinberg CC121 controller and got a message that there were no midi ports available. You can go into the registry and clean out the duplicates, though. As I said, though, that's XP, and Vista might act differently. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:24:36 AM Subject: USB drives me nuts My Vista notebook has 3 USB ports. I currently use them for: Soundcard, Axon Midi controller, Steinberg key, Midi-2-USB, Nanokontrol, Nanokey (until its usb plug broke off), Nanopad (probably I have forgotten one or two). I use a passive little hub to plug them all in. The thing that I wasn't aware of is that apparently it is important to plug the devices exactly into the ports that were used during the installation. Otherwise, often they aren't recognized. Today, I spent some time (not for the first time) to persuade my system to recognize the Axon controller and the Steinberg key again - each of them had been working before but not today. This drives me nuts because I find it hard to understand the pattern of this, much less the reason why this happens. My intuition believes all devices should work everytime, independent where I plug them in. Are there simple rules of thumb? -Michael ------=_Part_432081_2019854623.1291819953695 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Hi Michae= l,

With MIDI devices the rule is to try to always plug them into the= same USB port.  In XP, anyway, there are a limited number (eleven, I = think it was) of MIDI ports available and if you plug the same device into = two different USB ports at different times it will wind up having two MIDI = ports assigned to it, one to each USB port.  I ran into this problem w= hen I got a Steinberg CC121 controller and got a message that there were no= midi ports available.  You can go into the registry and clean out the= duplicates, though.

As I said, though, that's XP, and Vista might a= ct differently.

Chris


----- Original Message -----
Fro= m: "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-de= light.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:24:36 AM
Subject: USB d= rives me nuts

My Vista notebook has 3 USB ports. I currently use the= m for:  Soundcard,
Axon Midi controller, Steinberg key, Midi-2-USB,= Nanokontrol, Nanokey (until
its usb plug broke off), Nanopad (probably = I have forgotten one or two). I
use a passive little hub to plug them al= l in.

The thing that I wasn't aware of is that apparently it is impo= rtant to plug
the devices exactly into the ports that were used during t= he installation.
Otherwise, often they aren't recognized. Today, I spent= some time (not for
the first time) to persuade my system to recognize t= he Axon controller and
the Steinberg key again - each of them had been w= orking before but not
today. This drives me nuts because I find it hard = to understand the pattern
of this, much less the reason why this happens= . My intuition believes all
devices should work everytime, independent w= here I plug them in.

Are there simple rules of thumb?

-Michae= l

------=_Part_432081_2019854623.1291819953695-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 15:03:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5516D18350B; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=uxxQdKNcFzqfOzTXadxOORtE5oaQQwXVUF4Zy5k0I/I=; b=L7KJEUnzFGI96srnB7FEinqoGR+Q0f5sgqBCKmlFpiuVz4RklbcfcG15IqETzUyfTv r1o9zMCIbD/msqD1EhJrYjS0Z5lx+AQwGJvIbMjwCjz/DdUmI9U77TDaLFH7xGsHiE2V 3J/tvD7QOPlAcUdD2t96kbvdwhHtJqjBR5wBU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=mScEar0rvRlsoJLEtY9U/kSU1vsKkMNfOa02gbRCU9zElU3fV1Of9Y+yvAJb8Af/wq ZY/13p5QUVyUcv4RtG6Pko/qyNvLEZ3lMeh4ePTImqG+VNM9MvdnTOq6w06Y5vgtI3o8 48yAJ5Es9xZLQrdrBwRN3dM9NDPXg4vS24jZM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4CFF9606.3090609@gmail.com> References: <4CFF4F47.4080501@tiscali.co.uk> <4CFF66A9.1030002@tiscali.co.uk> <4CFF9606.3090609@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:02:44 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Lak5l2Ix878cLUx1t3Odrdc7FmM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ricks Spotify link To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3043478a2279f40496e76b2d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:03:07 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3043478a2279f40496e76b2d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yeah yeah yeah... I think the differences are known and understood... but Spotify is NO WHERE NEAR the same as radio! If you are played on radio, you are played to 1,000 to 1,000,000 people... plus you are probably been on a playlist for a dj or show... so it might happen more than once... if you are played on Spotify, you are played because that person already IS your girlfriend, wife, friend or fan. NO ONE NEW will really stumble across you really.. I mean really... ok a few might... but not really.. ...and did you SEE the figures in that diagram? If a sale of a retail album brings you a dollar, spotify brings you 0.00029 of a dollar... How many streams does THAT take??? Andys right about one thing tho, that IS gonna be the preferred method of music delivery in the future, doesnt mean I cant fucking grumble about it... Mark On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Good point here, Andy. > > Assuming that people are streaming complete albums (and perhaps that's a > whole other discussion - but me, I stream albums), then one should divide > the streaming figures by 10, the average track count per album. > > Furthermore, if a person likes an album, they'll stream to it multiple > times. With a track download, or a cd sale, there is that one single > purchase. With streaming, you'll see revenue each time it's played, in > perpetuity (if that even exists with anything related to recorded music or > the 'Net). I use streaming services almost exclusively to listen to music, > and there are some albums I've listened to dozens of times, and will keep > doing so. I may not have approached 100 times very often - with Rhapsody's > one-US-cent-per-play model, assuming ten tracks per album, it will take 100 > album listens to reach the price of an album download on iTunes - but over > years, I may. > > And of course, as with all virtual media, there is no cost associated per > unit, as with a physical CD. > > Finally, I believe that as streams replace tracks, people will feel less > inclined to "steal" (I use that loosely) tracks through P2P or whatever, and > more inclined simply to listen on their choice of streaming service. It's > simply easier to search a catalog and play instantly than trolling through > the web, downloading, then playing. I remember seeing discussion on Twitter > from Zoe Keating and Matt Stevens (right, Matt?) about the number of times > their tracks had been downloaded through torrent sites, it was quite > stunning. > > I do hope that Rhapsody's payout model, the highest of the streaming > services, wins out over Spotify. But that chance may be slim. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > > hi Matt, >> >> Well, maybe it's better to compare Spotify to radio >> rather than purchasable media. >> >> How much do you get paid "per listener" from a radio show? >> >> Or compare it to having a vid on YouTube. >> > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --20cf3043478a2279f40496e76b2d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah yeah yeah... I think the differences are known and understood... but S= potify is NO WHERE NEAR the same as radio!

If you are played on radi= o, you are played to 1,000 to 1,000,000 people... plus you are probably bee= n on a playlist for a dj or show... so it might happen more than once...
if you are played on Spotify, you are played because that person alread= y IS your girlfriend, wife, friend or fan. NO ONE NEW will really stumble a= cross you really.. I mean really... ok a few might... but not really..

...and did you SEE the figures in that diagram?

If a sale of a r= etail album brings you a dollar, spotify brings you 0.00029 of a dollar... = How many streams does THAT take???

Andys right about one thing tho, = that IS gonna be the preferred method of music delivery in the future, does= nt mean I cant fucking grumble about it...




Mark








On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Daryl Shawn <<= a href=3D"mailto:darylshawn@gmail.com">darylshawn@gmail.com> = wrote:
Good point here, = Andy.

Assuming that people are streaming complete albums (and perhaps that's = a whole other discussion - but me, I stream albums), then one should divide= the streaming figures by 10, the average track count per album.

Furthermore, if a person likes an album, they'll stream to it multiple = times. With a track download, or a cd sale, there is that one single purcha= se. With streaming, you'll see revenue each time it's played, in pe= rpetuity (if that even exists with anything related to recorded music or th= e 'Net). I use streaming services almost exclusively to listen to music= , and there are some albums I've listened to dozens of times, and will = keep doing so. I may not have approached 100 times very often - with Rhapso= dy's one-US-cent-per-play model, assuming ten tracks per album, it will= take 100 album listens to reach the price of an album download on iTunes -= but over years, I may.

And of course, as with all virtual media, there is no cost associated per u= nit, as with a physical CD.

Finally, I believe that as streams replace tracks, people will feel less in= clined to "steal" (I use that loosely) tracks through P2P or what= ever, and more inclined simply to listen on their choice of streaming servi= ce. It's simply easier to search a catalog and play instantly than trol= ling through the web, downloading, then playing. I remember seeing discussi= on on Twitter from Zoe Keating and Matt Stevens (right, Matt?) about the nu= mber of times their tracks had been downloaded through torrent sites, it wa= s quite stunning.

I do hope that Rhapsody's payout model, the highest of the streaming se= rvices, wins out over Spotify. But that chance may be slim.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com<= /a>



hi Matt,

Well, maybe it's better to compare Spotify to radio
rather than purchasable media.

How much do you get paid "per listener" from a radio show?

Or compare it to having a vid on YouTube.




--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancomb= e
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--20cf3043478a2279f40496e76b2d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 15:07:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 023E718351E; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bSBgiX6HcXeP8lHf9zRZgMr6UmrPXeR3Rv9HiSMpqEQ=; b=NUj/A3aZhANXSXtgSOOwHYr+Z/n5n3L/s2MOegvgH7ncZgkTOOgcQWMK2SDVnxyAY1 iSqkKcMx+/p7s+cbrpSJmmrF1rng8G4OBDXpCmU1XiVyRPKVfwcNeyVD6B7vn7lO0lZE wozIhw3b6SrqD6DoyUkTsO991RLnCX8Cshw5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eYhCYS1RGEnan90oy5NwoffyfeHKPsqTtK1MqlWGGbFjnzSxuW6hLivODnHppV8UVi 9A7wecWQN2bD5odHWIHJESqRYSg9zjMEVLkL80WH74P97exsA7Xqy2cf8H+okevV3BiR zxD0jYRiV+AVjLHNP2kJtOa1rHDko+8Mcfcm0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4CFF5268.9020701@tiscali.co.uk> References: <695204D4-BDFA-492E-BE99-2F4A5954FFB6@frontier.com> <4CFCE5A5.8070709@cruzio.com> <4CFD2010.4050604@googlemail.com> <4CFF5268.9020701@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:06:56 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <8dPWgD.A.gjG.T85_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:06:59 +0000 (UTC) In light of this reply by Andy about WHY Fripp uses what he does the way he does (and it tangentially gets at his attitude about photography during his performances), let me ask you all this: How many of you are willing to take the time to truly understand the acoustical space of the places where you perform? How many of you are willing to spend the time to measure the delay times in a venue and then adjust your gear to maximize the sonic experience of space that you might be able to create. And having done all that, how many of you are going to ask your audience to experience that space the way that you have envisioned playing it? ... now lather, rinse, and repeat for 20+ years. I didn't think so. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:39 AM, andy butler wrote: > >> 2010/12/6 Rainer Straschill > > >> >> >> =A0 =A0Let me ask you this, then: Suppose you had three (or two, or one) >> =A0 =A0H8000(s): >> =A0 =A0What would you do with them that you can't do with what you have = at >> =A0 =A0your disposal and that would really bring forward what you do >> musically? >> > > When I saw Fripp he certainly needed 3 long stereo delays, with 2 of them > very precisely the same length. > > 1 stereo delay was used to create a loop in his front 2 speakers. > The other 2 were very carefully routed so that they created > a stereo soundfield that gradually swept back over the heads > of his audience to the rear 2 speakers. > I not heard of anyone else configuring their delays to create > spacial movement quite like that, it was impressive, and particularly > the synth harps (not a sound I usually enjoy) really seemed to > hang in the air a few feet above head height as they gradually moved back= . > > I expect that if he specified top quality reliable audio gear to accompli= sh > this that his setup was not in any way unreasonable. > > There's a nice Zappa quote about money > "Some people put it up their nose, I put it in my ear." > > andy butler > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 15:11:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1128183527; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=siIRU8DuaCMrqXteyvfhu6sskqc+f2oVHMqfw/Gifk4=; b=lPJgecMjV/Uz85QcDKHhbbm69CdCfQemBJ+DQw18TzLfWfpoNva59wnoqQVinBpQke TbvVb49x416BtM822/ryrjZ9vIR0xyep+HqvPM8xTTOONozT7RKFQrS8qHGkOuM+MI/e ihoYPK8Hv26s/6mKpXZ8YNwDT0EGyQM7N2CVs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xW/Qzf1XRyHL2BA+rJam7PYL22yxR0XvfrEQOs7pzcT3z1PDR62p/w2JM2nICfjQy0 OErrLXH5ImGlr8WKXP7rUGfEWukxOZ4SuYfyOWskvzqLR/fHy/skkYCb1xek+35C6oWk FGyhI22aq2iopCnxgsSN1Kn+PtM6aREFUi43E= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4CFF4F47.4080501@tiscali.co.uk> <4CFF66A9.1030002@tiscali.co.uk> <4CFF9606.3090609@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:11:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ricks Spotify link From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:11:04 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:02 PM, mark francombe wrote: > If a sale of a retail album brings you a dollar, spotify brings you 0.00029 > of a dollar... Welcome to the Micro Business.... (the former Music Business) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 15:18:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57709183537; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:x-goomoji-body:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=YxdJt+T1TDQZfJtz+VVGAwLWS7eDEZAYaAFqGOl/lDw=; b=ekNkHfHLn3pFiKSLCe+XAsIALaN2zk098IZjs15pwnzkaUGT7G7yQwjwQqEo8a47CN gEENNZPD2FZ/+UPLcj6XqICgtJImUT3p9ADr8fl0yg4vHC/KJl5VP+RFqTu48KEoCITS pceTl5X6jVlfJPHn2s9I7cVQxwZRZX4ibsyWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:x-goomoji-body:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=Y3JnDWh0HoDuV1TxvSWo3fNRz7D6gf0Ly8p612amCJRBisdIzASCY4CealheJURdbM mvTp4NHakEb22yD/tEsGNZS+asYyUk2c3uaBKI9l63DFABo8sxOlYVZ12Ur4waq0GrjR okLY27UfiTqZATCrFK45A58FjjMHuwUDo8+ec= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4CFF4F47.4080501@tiscali.co.uk> <4CFF66A9.1030002@tiscali.co.uk> <4CFF9606.3090609@gmail.com> From: mark francombe X-Goomoji-Body: true Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:17:45 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: JiT5t75tLBFihN4KyK96IAS_qO4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ricks Spotify link To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=000e0cd69740d5b16a0496e7a041 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:18:08 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd69740d5b16a0496e7a041 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd69740d5b1570496e7a040 --000e0cd69740d5b1570496e7a040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ha ha, no need to welcome me to that business, since I was forcably ejected from the latter I have been by default in the former... and made NOWT! [?] On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:02 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > If a sale of a retail album brings you a dollar, spotify brings you > 0.00029 > > of a dollar... > > Welcome to the Micro Business.... > (the former Music Business) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --000e0cd69740d5b1570496e7a040 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ha ha, no need to welcome me to that business, since I was forcably ejected= from the latter I have been by default in the former... and made NOWT!
=


On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Per Boysen <= span dir=3D"ltr"><perboysen@gmail= .com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:02 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> If a sale of a retail album brings you a dollar, spotify brings you 0.= 00029
> of a dollar...

Welcome to the Micro Business....
(the former Music Business)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub




--
mark francombewww.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markf= rancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--000e0cd69740d5b1570496e7a040-- --000e0cd69740d5b16a0496e7a041 Content-Type: image/gif; name="330.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <330@goomoji.gmail> X-Attachment-Id: 330@goomoji.gmail R0lGODlhDAAMAKIFAF5LAP/zxAAAANyuAP/gaP///wAAAAAAACH5BAEAAAUALAAAAAAMAAwAAAMl WLPcGjDKFYi9lxKBOaGcF35DhWHamZUW0K4mAbiwWtuf0uxFAgA7 --000e0cd69740d5b16a0496e7a041-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 15:28:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DC38183549; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 600969.3131.bm@omp1022.mail.ird.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=ShMSeHG9ymGf0YfM2z2PY4MwnRMt8YEy/WfL0addFm8VKTFX+++nqc1gkdJgdnPIFX9d1lLYJ1C2poF0MrBJiP2ZxsJYREGTZ0CXB3OF4PnKL5jkWRu+MW1kNnzbPLqrsY8n5WU+SI+3h675AxV+WWFq9YO/rBdWn68Dnud1yzc= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1291822119; bh=M1jKip5h+6ziS1ZnLhtknTmQERk+uox6cWnWAW/YFv0=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=XOeNGvh6fPCyX584fvUGL2ULTnRgenX7cHZPZVkc4CtbYg8/FP8bm89brCDdgsXEp4QgVG8nuLTS8/vA0SBZVJZ2q/IvlzDUosmwKA+c8MH3l+98dhogJPVk7bc9vCPADilnSwSYQHhNum5h69YRbmo1MrqoBXbJAkcIZqGZTDI= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: SEfyrM4VM1kPtgeeCY.Z6ypikuoKztlp0w0f48jF1uFeWII T0_vJOCiUAWys_u1mXOErHgp9JF_xAAw_YD0U3Hd8dQdp.R7yddjxgye6mZO JA5oGb_8yMdWnJFpeTlOLa5phzjDYR8sDtklaymcmgkFLA8YarUoLnDnXsJ9 t.l.BN8eOAj6PHXCl07VO6S0b5MVU0a_ZzjYkUDVbunYpOi_pk9UUr5dGhui DqeC5H_hzOIlVsUwP0n2LpMbpid9mUtdIkHYsbQ_fPaXDZZ6syng8ocNCg5k AGaCaiA02ewpQqW28Hzs- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <4CFF4F47.4080501@tiscali.co.uk> <4CFF66A9.1030002@tiscali.co.uk> <4CFF9606.3090609@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-28--17718116 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Ricks Spotify link Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:28:14 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:28:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-28--17718116 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I have mixed feelings about spotify but its deffo going to be the future, because its a model that works for the majors therefore will happen. Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 8 Dec 2010, at 15:02, mark francombe wrote: > yeah yeah yeah... I think the differences are known and > understood... but Spotify is NO WHERE NEAR the same as radio! > > If you are played on radio, you are played to 1,000 to 1,000,000 > people... plus you are probably been on a playlist for a dj or > show... so it might happen more than once... > > if you are played on Spotify, you are played because that person > already IS your girlfriend, wife, friend or fan. NO ONE NEW will > really stumble across you really.. I mean really... ok a few > might... but not really.. > > ...and did you SEE the figures in that diagram? > > If a sale of a retail album brings you a dollar, spotify brings you > 0.00029 of a dollar... How many streams does THAT take??? > > Andys right about one thing tho, that IS gonna be the preferred > method of music delivery in the future, doesnt mean I cant fucking > grumble about it... > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Daryl Shawn > wrote: > Good point here, Andy. > > Assuming that people are streaming complete albums (and perhaps > that's a whole other discussion - but me, I stream albums), then > one should divide the streaming figures by 10, the average track > count per album. > > Furthermore, if a person likes an album, they'll stream to it > multiple times. With a track download, or a cd sale, there is that > one single purchase. With streaming, you'll see revenue each time > it's played, in perpetuity (if that even exists with anything > related to recorded music or the 'Net). I use streaming services > almost exclusively to listen to music, and there are some albums > I've listened to dozens of times, and will keep doing so. I may not > have approached 100 times very often - with Rhapsody's one-US-cent- > per-play model, assuming ten tracks per album, it will take 100 > album listens to reach the price of an album download on iTunes - > but over years, I may. > > And of course, as with all virtual media, there is no cost > associated per unit, as with a physical CD. > > Finally, I believe that as streams replace tracks, people will feel > less inclined to "steal" (I use that loosely) tracks through P2P or > whatever, and more inclined simply to listen on their choice of > streaming service. It's simply easier to search a catalog and play > instantly than trolling through the web, downloading, then playing. > I remember seeing discussion on Twitter from Zoe Keating and Matt > Stevens (right, Matt?) about the number of times their tracks had > been downloaded through torrent sites, it was quite stunning. > > I do hope that Rhapsody's payout model, the highest of the > streaming services, wins out over Spotify. But that chance may be > slim. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > > hi Matt, > > Well, maybe it's better to compare Spotify to radio > rather than purchasable media. > > How much do you get paid "per listener" from a radio show? > > Or compare it to having a vid on YouTube. > > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-28--17718116 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII I have mixed feelings about spotify but its deffo going to be the = future, because its a model that works for the majors therefore will = happen.

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 8 Dec 2010, = at 15:02, mark francombe wrote:

yeah yeah = yeah... I think the differences are known and understood... but Spotify = is NO WHERE NEAR the same as radio!

If you are played on radio, = you are played to 1,000 to 1,000,000 people... plus you are probably = been on a playlist for a dj or show... so it might happen more than = once...

if you are played on Spotify, you are played because = that person already IS your girlfriend, wife, friend or fan. NO ONE NEW = will really stumble across you really.. I mean really... ok a few = might... but not really..

...and did you SEE the figures in that = diagram?

If a sale of a retail album brings you a dollar, spotify = brings you 0.00029 of a dollar... How many streams does THAT = take???

Andys right about one thing tho, that IS gonna be the = preferred method of music delivery in the future, doesnt mean I cant = fucking grumble about it...
=



Mark








On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Daryl Shawn <darylshawn@gmail.com> = wrote:
Good point here, Andy.

Assuming that people are streaming = complete albums (and perhaps that's a whole other discussion - but me, I = stream albums), then one should divide the streaming figures by 10, the = average track count per album.

Furthermore, if a person likes = an album, they'll stream to it multiple times. With a track download, or = a cd sale, there is that one single purchase. With streaming, you'll see = revenue each time it's played, in perpetuity (if that even exists with = anything related to recorded music or the 'Net). I use streaming = services almost exclusively to listen to music, and there are some = albums I've listened to dozens of times, and will keep doing so. I may = not have approached 100 times very often - with Rhapsody's = one-US-cent-per-play model, assuming ten tracks per album, it will take = 100 album listens to reach the price of an album download on iTunes - = but over years, I may.

And of course, as with all virtual = media, there is no cost associated per unit, as with a physical CD.
=
Finally, I believe that as streams replace tracks, people will feel = less inclined to "steal" (I use that loosely) tracks through P2P or = whatever, and more inclined simply to listen on their choice of = streaming service. It's simply easier to search a catalog and play = instantly than trolling through the web, downloading, then playing. I = remember seeing discussion on Twitter from Zoe Keating and Matt Stevens = (right, Matt?) about the number of times their tracks had been = downloaded through torrent sites, it was quite stunning.

I do = hope that Rhapsody's payout model, the highest of the streaming = services, wins out over Spotify. But that chance may be slim.

= Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com



hi Matt,

= Well, maybe it's better to compare Spotify to radio
rather than = purchasable media.

How much do you get paid "per listener" from = a radio show?

Or compare it to having a vid on YouTube.
=




-- =
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

= --Apple-Mail-28--17718116-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 15:47:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 607EE183500; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: , Cc: "Andre Wirths" , "Karsten Schulze" , "Leander Reininghaus" , "Matthias Ebbinghaus" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Walter_Br=FChn?= Subject: Stretched Landscape Remix Project Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:47:25 +0100 Message-ID: <13A357697DE74EB48B4EA76C544C04F6@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 thread-index: AcuW7zVDwjc92RlZSZ6kRUNt+r230g== X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.4.122; VDF: 7.10.14.220) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:47:32 +0000 (UTC) http://www.michaelpeters.de/slremix.htm Looking forward to your remixes! -Michael Peters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 15:48:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3FF1183524; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 439 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:48:29 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:41:05 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <14EF1D49-9689-4562-87C2-EFC57E6D4814@charter.net> Message-ID: <20101208154105.283370@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1422041587-1291766476-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-776605567-@bda2841.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4CFEFEBE.3080101@gmail.com> <4CFF9639.5080001@gmail.com> <14EF1D49-9689-4562-87C2-EFC57E6D4814@charter.net> Subject: Re: Pedal, Table or Rack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/C5Xde5MLC6V2ksJt4Xd6oXHMpMPWS7tg6CMpgEh JFTqqPvOnbNmUYvpP9vlcC/WF3KwFQbxSXiw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: IZDNfYVGIydmCYx+j2ZrvLFSa2FkZlWb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Excellent question! :-) Been chewing on this one for a while. Personally, I prefer hand control most of the stuff. There are only very few functions that could benefit from foot control, personally. For, me currently the best solution so far is the STANTON UBERSTAND: http://www.stantondj.com/stanton-accessories/uberstand.html Unlike a DJ, however, the laptop is on the _buttom_ and midi controllers are on _top_ (I can even fit in the audi interface if I want to). Works excellent, very light & small, fits anywhere on a chair etc. best regards Buzap -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 €/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 16:25:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F227A183542; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wZ9jvGkehYslABapyvuDAAe8Fkou42LJSaNaBQ4Pg4k=; b=IlowLgw8JN2pV5UMSv5af+5j28+XBrbJkH3FCbTWdLI0r8NgoZ9E6n0Hm6undpYybs 7Gnrgsor9cc+hq0+iM9DL0HCFZr2a6L/Y8SZIjtFDaJHCY+IfQiQGw6xEyahRmPnuU0L ZYklFtCXuCWcD4+SY7J2wSm6BxD6IqKdum5+o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GAoAQXNHI1cfCBceQjCC9Pi1EebF2SdQt6z8UT2aeaeo1x2/nrVYqt6lOt90Beu3VA ibS5HpI6OM5mVZKh3uau07wLc+3ew671WWHm8SinQtOvuo7Zn9WhNjeVcDYb7ptDoMQg Go39lkI1ttsOemh/neQCISBqV7EdCnrt+2XDo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20101208154105.283370@gmx.net> References: <1422041587-1291766476-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-776605567-@bda2841.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4CFEFEBE.3080101@gmail.com> <4CFF9639.5080001@gmail.com> <14EF1D49-9689-4562-87C2-EFC57E6D4814@charter.net> <20101208154105.283370@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:25:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Pedal, Table or Rack From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e843e3cb2680496e892ee Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:25:38 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e843e3cb2680496e892ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am one of those who doesn't gig out often. I have many pedals on the floor and several on a table. The ones on the table all have foot controls of some kind on the floor. I also have 2 Vortex rack units but they just sit on the table top and are controlled via ex ped and buttons. I have absolutely no more space left unless I go vertical :) Even many of the floor peds also have additional ex ped and FS buttons controlling them. I love having access to the controls of my Alesis Mod fX and 2880 with my hand but they also have some fs control. I sit when playing, backs not good, there is still a certain amount of leaning over to twiddle knobs but I am getting pretty good with my toes for this. I always wanted one good rack unit/footcontrol pedal that would do everything. Laptops might someday accomplish this I suppose. peace, Jeff On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Excellent question! :-) > > Been chewing on this one for a while. > Personally, I prefer hand control most of the stuff. There are only very > few functions that could benefit from foot control, personally. > > For, me currently the best solution so far is the STANTON UBERSTAND: > http://www.stantondj.com/stanton-accessories/uberstand.html > Unlike a DJ, however, the laptop is on the _buttom_ and midi controllers > are on _top_ (I can even fit in the audi interface if I want to). > > Works excellent, very light & small, fits anywhere on a chair etc. > > best regards > Buzap > > > -- > GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 €/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit > gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > --90e6ba6e843e3cb2680496e892ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am one of those who doesn't gig out often. I have many pedals on the = floor and several on a table. The ones on the table all have foot controls = of some kind on the floor. I also have 2 Vortex rack units but they just si= t on the table top and are controlled via ex ped and buttons. I have absolu= tely no more space left unless I go vertical :) Even many of the floor peds= also have additional ex ped and FS buttons controlling them. I love having= access to the controls of my Alesis Mod fX and 2880 with my hand but they = also have some fs control.

I sit when playing, backs not good, there is still a certain amount of = leaning over to twiddle knobs but I am getting pretty good with my toes for= this.

I always wanted one good rack unit/footcontrol pedal that wo= uld do everything. Laptops might someday accomplish this I suppose.

peace,

Jeff

On Wed, Dec 8, 20= 10 at 10:41 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
Excellent question! :-)

Been chewing on this one for a while.
Personally, I prefer hand control most of the stuff. There are only very fe= w functions that could benefit from foot control, personally.

For, me currently the best solution so far is the STANTON UBERSTAND:
http://www.stantondj.com/stanton-accessories/uberstand.html<= /a>
Unlike a DJ, however, the laptop is on the _buttom_ and midi controllers ar= e on _top_ (I can even fit in the audi interface if I want to).

Works excellent, very light & small, fits anywhere on a chair etc.

best regards
Buzap


--
GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 &euro;/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit
gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl

--90e6ba6e843e3cb2680496e892ee-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 16:34:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FC16183544; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <074601cb96f5$b3a28e80$6400a8c0@vulcan> From: "d.nix" To: References: <20101208092629.8B0231834F7@hemlock.violacea.com> <4CFF6925.8020509@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: SUPERIOR DRUMS for looping Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:33:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Another product that looks / sounds pretty impressive (at least for the sort of stuff I'm doing) is Addictive Drums: http://www.xlnaudio.com/?page=products&p_page=addictivedrums I havent purchased yet, but the decision is between these two products... > Luis Angulo just sent me this video demoing the newest version of > EZ drummer software called Superior Drums > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roLX4ZW2Ldk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 16:56:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F6C1183489; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:56:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rrHnKxUFFhbHIkmTtigv76ZY1aOUD76XbMaFDt+wktM=; b=ihQHyIKmbUT9N5AePlk37g/inVOkmLDgWGKw7DU/kOZUMnfkY3MWRdUHIHmbtD7OxH wIaP3+7pbKyFzEndNj8YLbfC7imAOfztWanW3tcFPKKpFTqQz2Y9rHE1y78tsC24zrg/ WG2+fQW/Nya/QCFKcxXR02PLiPrBMPTtl2LAM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=vSEMUtrMU2OCpRkD+587S7FmTgpWNqHXtqdRJl4a9uaYPT2beSDEsArtwEEe2UBUJn lBqY5OQni2LcnCK9lttLMgcZolMVSY/lkx1MynWs85x7YDAgENJVuzxFbo2//tOQk3Gn Kyn5rBYneO/L1v6GshTmWHFdKT48skvSYfpzs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <695204D4-BDFA-492E-BE99-2F4A5954FFB6@frontier.com> <4CFCE5A5.8070709@cruzio.com> <4CFD2010.4050604@googlemail.com> <4CFF5268.9020701@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:55:59 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a6b9ddcd120496e8fe78 Resent-Message-ID: <_U5GzD.A.bmC.hi7_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:56:01 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a6b9ddcd120496e8fe78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well Dennis, you nailed it. 2010/12/8 Dennis Moser > In light of this reply by Andy about WHY Fripp uses what he does the > way he does (and it tangentially gets at his attitude about > photography during his performances), let me ask you all this: > > How many of you are willing to take the time to truly understand the > acoustical space of the places where you perform? How many of you are > willing to spend the time to measure the delay times in a venue and > then adjust your gear to maximize the sonic experience of space that > you might be able to create. And having done all that, how many of you > are going to ask your audience to experience that space the way that > you have envisioned playing it? ... now lather, rinse, and repeat for > 20+ years. > > I didn't think so. > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:39 AM, andy butler > wrote: > > > >> 2010/12/6 Rainer Straschill >> > > >> > >> > >> Let me ask you this, then: Suppose you had three (or two, or one) > >> H8000(s): > >> What would you do with them that you can't do with what you have at > >> your disposal and that would really bring forward what you do > >> musically? > >> > > > > When I saw Fripp he certainly needed 3 long stereo delays, with 2 of them > > very precisely the same length. > > > > 1 stereo delay was used to create a loop in his front 2 speakers. > > The other 2 were very carefully routed so that they created > > a stereo soundfield that gradually swept back over the heads > > of his audience to the rear 2 speakers. > > I not heard of anyone else configuring their delays to create > > spacial movement quite like that, it was impressive, and particularly > > the synth harps (not a sound I usually enjoy) really seemed to > > hang in the air a few feet above head height as they gradually moved > back. > > > > I expect that if he specified top quality reliable audio gear to > accomplish > > this that his setup was not in any way unreasonable. > > > > There's a nice Zappa quote about money > > "Some people put it up their nose, I put it in my ear." > > > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a6b9ddcd120496e8fe78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Dennis, you nailed it.


2010/12/8= Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>
In light of this reply by Andy about WHY Fripp uses what he does the
way he does (and it tangentially gets at his attitude about
photography during his performances), let me ask you all this:

How many of you are willing to take the time to truly understand the
acoustical space of the places where you perform? How many of you are
willing to spend the time to measure the delay times in a venue and
then adjust your gear to maximize the sonic experience of space that
you might be able to create. And having done all that, how many of you
are going to ask your audience to experience that space the way that
you have envisioned playing it? ... now lather, rinse, and repeat for
20+ years.

I didn't think so.

Best,

Dennis

http://soundclo= ud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com=
http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/



On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:39 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> 2010/12/6 Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com
>> <mailto:moinsound@g= ooglemail.com>>
>>
>>
>> =A0 =A0Let me ask you this, then: Suppose you had three (or two, o= r one)
>> =A0 =A0H8000(s):
>> =A0 =A0What would you do with them that you can't do with what= you have at
>> =A0 =A0your disposal and that would really bring forward what you = do
>> musically?
>>
>
> When I saw Fripp he certainly needed 3 long stereo delays, with 2 of t= hem
> very precisely the same length.
>
> 1 stereo delay was used to create a loop in his front 2 speakers.
> The other 2 were very carefully routed so that they created
> a stereo soundfield that gradually swept back over the heads
> of his audience to the rear 2 speakers.
> I not heard of anyone else configuring their delays to create
> spacial movement quite like that, it was impressive, and particularly<= br> > the synth harps (not a sound I usually enjoy) really seemed to
> hang in the air a few feet above head height as they gradually moved b= ack.
>
> I expect that if he specified top quality reliable audio gear to accom= plish
> this that his setup was not in any way unreasonable.
>
> There's a nice Zappa quote about money
> "Some people put it up their nose, I put it in my ear."
>
> andy butler
>
>
>
>
>




--
Petri Lahtinen
http://www.petrilahtinen.com
http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.c= om/
http://www.myspace.com/pet= rilahtinen
http://twitt= er.com/PetriLahtinen
= http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
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"Only become pr= ofessional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
--------= -------------------------------------------
"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-
--20cf3054a6b9ddcd120496e8fe78-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 16:58:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8809818354D; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oivBhKl3dohaMZOTnGd2GuPQ8JbMXHsAn3+410wLgf0=; b=Aw85lnZogHg6eCOGm/bofJ63N2j8023hsC5LvRgE71xDgyB5hJ9zW8eWR+jvfoXmmR aQtok9LXtTm7ysVp6H3Pi05BLb4E7TRnsy7usjYmZ90xnagDIomwEIAzSIapHkcTQJ5J LLU0tLYe5+FqwR2sTwpoD5FY9xI1QMuejxYjA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=HQh0Neps1MKK7zjk2IljNEIOTUKz5cineQTKol5jEyKZ99s9nDA6VAYPpLvO2Dr2zT vAk1mCIq4PApwVp7HtIDV1cxomDBA2apdbWvoUZNFxDdpOsFqq5f+aOqOGCHhKT6Q+Dw Yw5lwlbj4egOS5Fim6vYBdZ6M4n27DyeBzVCk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:58:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Teflon (sortof) - All-in-one PCs for looping/effects From: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8f0e138af70496e9076f Resent-Message-ID: <8eSNXB.A.7tC.qk7_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:58:18 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8f0e138af70496e9076f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is anyone out there using an *All-in-one* PC or Mac for live gigging, looping, etc. ? I'm considering this approach but curious to hear the experiences (pro/con) before going down that road. My looping is still EDP-based but more and more I'm using Live 8 and a handful of VSTs for solo Stick and fretless...not as much in band formats. By *All-in-one* I mean all of the newer PC and Mac physical monitor/case/processing in one flat-style "box". Thanks! Clint > -- > Clint E. Allen * Technology Consultant * Sound Engineering * Musician --90e6ba6e8f0e138af70496e9076f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is anyone out there using an All-in-one= PC or Mac for live gigging, looping, etc. ? I'm considering this appro= ach but=A0curious to hear the experiences (pro/con) before going down that = road. My looping is still EDP-based but more and more I'm using Live 8 = and a handful of VSTs for solo Stick and fretless...not as much in band for= mats.
=A0
By All-in-one I mean all of the newer P= C and Mac physical monitor/case/processing in one flat-style "box"= ;.
=A0
Thanks!
Clint
=A0
=A0
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<= /div>
Clint E. Allen
* Technology Consultant
* Sound Engineering
*=A0Musician

--90e6ba6e8f0e138af70496e9076f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 16:59:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A17A9183558; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BBa7V97ChstfQiFx7NRaX9PpDcq5NY/eEhR8u6Q6W9U=; b=iJ2ntWMnRnPXeGNKskqL+ZQarLOnWZwPMeSlKV8Vp0qvJh8cb3eOTPtrl1lYVuhf5W 12Gew34P23JZW9F4E8X2FZnjaktUTkdcASWdDckcOn/5t9uAyAOKE9mdHlRg4rSBdM1n gRCNB4gjradwm0oAeVCd2XbcrqzOaZXDLD4xA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=yHS5YfXs7yK0BqbmLBB7BEw9YX/mDoUYAmwFrBnkkS9UDCjqauhMyoP4WGsQ9mOJz7 aN6xMlmSgDXCUFUqSbcpn8BlO1LZQJENwEBnfk11ElWoOvaTCX86Jpsq1sd+xg8Z7cnM Wn2lKvxI06bfh6qVrlJ5yRYl6bYZg+P5yaCGo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4CFF6925.8020509@cruzio.com> References: <20101208092629.8B0231834F7@hemlock.violacea.com> <4CFF6925.8020509@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:59:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SUPERIOR DRUMS for looping From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d968ceb511c80496e90b43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:59:36 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d968ceb511c80496e90b43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 cheers bro what midi drum controller is this guy using anybody? i think that might be pyschologically important to really feel the real deal and nail it! Luis On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Luis Angulo just sent me this video demoing the newest version of > EZ drummer software called Superior Drums > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roLX4ZW2Ldk > > I have to say that I"m incredibly skeptical about drum emulation software. > I keep hearing programs that just don't do it for me. > > Mind you, I"m a snob because I've played dozens of different kits in > dozens of studios > in hundreds of styles of musics in my career as a studio > drummer/percussionist and producer. > > But I have to say, this demo just blew me away........do yourself a favor > and listen to the whole > demo (you'll learn a lot about producing great drum sounds just from > hearing this guy > give the demo which is, itself, worth the price (free) of admission. > > Of course, one caveat is that one of the world's best studio drummers is > playing the kits in > real time so the other half of this enchilada is programming, but > this is the most realistic assemblage of samples replete with phase > coherent microphones in different > positions created by world class engineers in world class studios with > world class microphones > and world class ambient environments. > > I am incredibly impressed! If I didn't know how to get stuff like this > with my own equipment > tens of thousands of dollars worth of recording gear and world class drums > and cymbals, I'd buy > it in a heart beat. I just might anyway! > > check it out and thanks, Luis for the hit! > > Rick Walker > > --0016e6d968ceb511c80496e90b43 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cheers bro what midi drum controller is this guy using anybody?
i think= that might be pyschologically important to really feel the real deal and n= ail it!
Luis

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12= :16 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Luis Angulo just = sent me this video demoing the newest version of
EZ drummer software called Superior Drums

= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DroLX4ZW2Ldk

I have to say that I"m incredibly skeptical about drum emulation softw= are.
I keep hearing programs that just don't do it for me.

Mind you, =A0I"m a snob because I've played dozens of different ki= ts in dozens of studios
in hundreds of styles of musics in my career as a studio drummer/percussion= ist and producer.

But I have to say, =A0this demo just blew me away........do yourself a favo= r and listen to the whole
demo (you'll learn a lot about producing great drum sounds just from he= aring this guy
give the demo which is, itself, worth the price (free) of admission.

Of course, one caveat is that one of the world's best studio drummers i= s playing the kits in
real time so the other half of this enchilada is programming, but
this is the most realistic assemblage of samples replete with phase coheren= t microphones in different
positions created by world class engineers in world class studios with worl= d class microphones
and world class ambient environments.

I am incredibly impressed! =A0 =A0 If I didn't know how to get stuff li= ke this with my own equipment
tens of thousands of dollars worth of recording gear and world class drums = and cymbals, =A0I'd buy
it in a heart beat. =A0 =A0I just might anyway!

check it out and thanks, Luis for the hit!

Rick Walker


--0016e6d968ceb511c80496e90b43-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 17:13:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF390183567; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:13:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fURpELc+LM1Wf66JU29kKvt1PvAStYBJy8In3/0uzD8=; b=rNhrGDqX6M4g1Fd9dv72g53ZsH09cSKnK7BtaAuWjQ44Uq/hG026KT2tyY4uBe8hr1 +2Wd5egbIi7Jj0+EeeAhxAbDXkP18fG+KZC3/RhJgburerB6UcFQVCZ/zh1D+rnI68QS j+gv3yJl/FeiPw/lAzkGk1GIrzVF08vx34MAg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ukODamOStE+WF7JPe8vLKUjOMsKYqPmSR6yYpCbmomMUO9qM55ZUchMSXE4micGLpN +uNtGkc0WU01orpPeZ9keJBC5EEz4Hcl89ECT34uGnu7KXNQqjdUth6/pJcHZdegctmH vKN7Zybn/9jJE2ca9PLQQTtDrg7I+8FfMizqo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20101208092629.8B0231834F7@hemlock.violacea.com> <4CFF6925.8020509@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:13:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SUPERIOR DRUMS for looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:13:11 +0000 (UTC) It is a Hart Pro 6.4 with a TD20 module, according to a Toontrack guy that posted on your linked video page. Per On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > cheers bro what midi drum controller is this guy using anybody? > i think that might be pyschologically important to really feel the real deal > and nail it! > Luis > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >> >> Luis Angulo just sent me this video demoing the newest version of >> EZ drummer software called Superior Drums >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roLX4ZW2Ldk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 17:13:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2C24183575; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <000701cb966c$29284350$7b78c9f0$@asyouthink.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Houston, we have lift-off Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:16:21 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 141.151.136.167 In-Reply-To: <000701cb966c$29284350$7b78c9f0$@asyouthink.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32992-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD6512C4896CDE-14A0-11FB@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:13:31 +0000 (UTC) TANKS VIOLET!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 17:25:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D35C018357F; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <0E72999D-1E2C-4CD3-BA03-80C012BA56AC@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:25:32 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Somehow during the great server meltdown my post about Fripp got lost though it seems some of you caught it. I'm kind of glad as it was a pretty sarcastic rip on Mr Fripp. In spite of the well articulated defenses of Bobby F's mountain o' gear from Andy , Dennis and others. I still feel like it is overkill. Would his music be any less compelling if he didn't have all of that gear? I really don't think so. It has been my personal experience that when I have let go of a piece of gear either by necessity or choice, I've always found ways to re-invent the sound I lost with a new strategy, and more often that not it has liberated me from the security blanket all that gear represents. I must confess, I was a huge King Krimson fan , since I first heard the Red album, and I also love Fripps collaborations with Eno, Bowie, and others, but the whole league of crafty guitarists, the new standard tuning and his ultra dogmatic intellectual/ mathematical approach to music seems a bit emotionally cold to me and thus leaves me cold. I think what triggered me about this discussion of his gear, has more to do with my personal view that our cultural has gottened so materialistic and corrupted by greed. I realized that Bob's mountain of gear is a relative mole hill compared to the greed and excess perpetrated by the CEO's of the world, so I'll stop bashing him. Afterall its not like he just bought a new Rolls, after outsourcing his companies jobs to China. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 17:36:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CBDA1834AB; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=U6jYg7U5l88eW3vkprUYGToI0Logv+la24yOYltySuk=; b=e41HvLyCduriE9ZvendQ9bJs/WN+JYJqPZTuCbhPh3vCc4K4JVEHiiDS+4eNlsKkNt sHNCUCCZ3HGbe+iO7OBM1CJvyEz20KP/CqUSkAUDmuGLCEM7JB36Y0fXJuJWORXyElNc CVwlV7qCxmWtwTZ6k6TdRKoRBopCM0rhLYH1I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BqqkE0NiaCkEGC5DQr2v2FQXm3VDPzpNm9fVx2n5hTo94yEQ+u+b0YED/OgiWT3A1P fM/dALDKUgzSi6JwOxMAVCruFrqnrGAA3K6gGsNJMDhVzq6B2WERtqrHr+KMkWLcGT6L Kbg3UlWkk4ZFqN97R3oQjv41kK2zZXPNFOYaM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:36:05 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Teflon (sortof) - All-in-one PCs for looping/effects From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:36:10 +0000 (UTC) I use a laptop + audio interface + MIDI control board. That's three components so I'm not sure it qualifies as "flat style box"? Anyway, five years ago I was using a huge rack with mixer on top and EDP, Electrixpro Repeater, Akai MFC42 filterbank and Lexicon reverb. But I got rid of all that and have been laptop powered ever since. Besides electric string instruments like Stick and Guitar I also feed this rig with wind instruments by a mic and with MIDI by an EWI for software synth playing. I use this rig for both experimental solo concerts and band concerts (dance style west African) Spec's: Apple Macbook, RME Fireface400, Mainstage, Mobius, SoundToys Native Bundle. Gordius Little Giant 2 MIDI floor board and Faderfox LV1 MIDI hand mixer (very minimal). For some gigs I bring two small Genelecs for stage monitoring, but I'd rather rely on the house PA if that's an option. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Clint Allen wrote: > Is anyone out there using an All-in-one PC or Mac for live gigging, loopi= ng, > etc. ? I'm considering this approach but=C2=A0curious to hear the experie= nces > (pro/con) before going down that road. My looping is still EDP-based but > more and more I'm using Live 8 and a handful of VSTs for solo Stick and > fretless...not as much in band formats. > > By All-in-one I mean all of the newer PC and Mac physical > monitor/case/processing in one flat-style "box". > > Thanks! > Clint > > >> >> -- > > Clint E. Allen > * Technology Consultant > * Sound Engineering > *=C2=A0Musician > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 17:42:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8079618352C; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9445a0ca-c83b-48df-9ab6-6cbeca9b5ef0_" X-Originating-IP: [86.143.215.214] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Fripper Gear Trivia Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:42:41 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0E72999D-1E2C-4CD3-BA03-80C012BA56AC@baymoon.com> References: <0E72999D-1E2C-4CD3-BA03-80C012BA56AC@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2010 17:42:41.0362 (UTC) FILETIME=[50067B20:01CB96FF] Resent-Message-ID: <6pP6oB.A.oSE.SO8_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:42:42 +0000 (UTC) --_9445a0ca-c83b-48df-9ab6-6cbeca9b5ef0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jealousy is a terrible thing Bill =3B-) Seriously though=2C if that's what he needs technically and emotionally to = support his art=2C (and it's his money remember) so be it. It supports exce= llent=2C(though expensive) products without whose existance=2C more afforda= ble gear may not exist for the likes of us bottom feeders... I have to say though =2C I prefer your music to his but I'm glad both exist= . Peace =20 G =20 > From: billwalker@baymoon.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia > Date: Wed=2C 8 Dec 2010 09:25:32 -0800 >=20 > Somehow during the great server meltdown my post about Fripp=20 > got lost though it seems some of you caught it. I'm kind of glad as it=20 > was a pretty sarcastic rip on Mr Fripp. > In spite of the well articulated defenses of Bobby F's mountain o'=20 > gear from Andy =2C Dennis and others. I still feel like it is overkill.=20 > Would his music be any less compelling if he didn't have all of that=20 > gear? I really don't think so. It has been my personal experience=20 > that when I have let go of a piece of gear either by necessity or=20 > choice=2C I've always found ways to re-invent the sound I lost with a=20 > new strategy=2C and more often that not it has liberated me from the=20 > security blanket all that gear represents. I must confess=2C I was a=20 > huge King Krimson fan =2C since I first heard the Red album=2C and I also= =20 > love Fripps collaborations with Eno=2C Bowie=2C and others=2C but the who= le=20 > league of crafty guitarists=2C the new standard tuning and his ultra=20 > dogmatic intellectual/ mathematical approach to music seems a bit=20 > emotionally cold to me and thus leaves me cold. I think what=20 > triggered me about this discussion of his gear=2C has more to do with my= =20 > personal view that our cultural has gottened so materialistic and=20 > corrupted by greed. I realized that Bob's mountain of gear is a=20 > relative mole hill compared to the greed and excess perpetrated by the=20 > CEO's of the world=2C so I'll stop bashing him. Afterall its not like he= =20 > just bought a new Rolls=2C after outsourcing his companies jobs to China. > Bill >=20 = --_9445a0ca-c83b-48df-9ab6-6cbeca9b5ef0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jealousy is a terrible thing Bill =3B-)
Seriously though=2C if that's what he needs technically and emotionally to = support his art=2C (and it's his money remember) so be it. It supports exce= llent=2C(though expensive) products without whose existance=2C more afforda= ble gear may not exist for the likes of us bottom feeders...
I have to say though =2C I prefer your music to his but I'm glad both exist= .
Peace
 =3B
G
 =3B
>=3B From: billwalker@baymoon.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com
>=3B Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia
>=3B Date: Wed= =2C 8 Dec 2010 09:25:32 -0800
>=3B
>=3B Somehow during the great= server meltdown my post about Fripp
>=3B got lost though it seems so= me of you caught it. I'm kind of glad as it
>=3B was a pretty sarcast= ic rip on Mr Fripp.
>=3B In spite of the well articulated defenses of = Bobby F's mountain o'
>=3B gear from Andy =2C Dennis and others. I st= ill feel like it is overkill.
>=3B Would his music be any less compel= ling if he didn't have all of that
>=3B gear? I really don't think so= . It has been my personal experience
>=3B that when I have let go of = a piece of gear either by necessity or
>=3B choice=2C I've always fou= nd ways to re-invent the sound I lost with a
>=3B new strategy=2C and= more often that not it has liberated me from the
>=3B security blank= et all that gear represents. I must confess=2C I was a
>=3B huge King= Krimson fan =2C since I first heard the Red album=2C and I also
>=3B= love Fripps collaborations with Eno=2C Bowie=2C and others=2C but the whol= e
>=3B league of crafty guitarists=2C the new standard tuning and his= ultra
>=3B dogmatic intellectual/ mathematical approach to music see= ms a bit
>=3B emotionally cold to me and thus leaves me cold. I think= what
>=3B triggered me about this discussion of his gear=2C has more= to do with my
>=3B personal view that our cultural has gottened so m= aterialistic and
>=3B corrupted by greed. I realized that Bob's mount= ain of gear is a
>=3B relative mole hill compared to the greed and ex= cess perpetrated by the
>=3B CEO's of the world=2C so I'll stop bashi= ng him. Afterall its not like he
>=3B just bought a new Rolls=2C afte= r outsourcing his companies jobs to China.
>=3B Bill
>=3B
= = --_9445a0ca-c83b-48df-9ab6-6cbeca9b5ef0_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 17:47:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2820D183562; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:46:51 +0000 (UTC) From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <990572364.325442.1291830411989.JavaMail.root@sz0013a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_325441_837484286.1291830411988" X-Originating-IP: [76.25.206.145] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2431.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.5_GA_2427.RHEL4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:46:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_325441_837484286.1291830411988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This quote has always expressed what I believe to be a central issue in performance , beyond the unrequited gear lust that lays us low on occasion. bryan helm at-the-helm.us "If I have all the works of Bach and Hayden in my head and am able to say the cleverest things about them it does no one a particle of good. But if I pick up my tin whistle and play a lively shimmy, the shimmy may be good or bad but in either case it gives people pleasure; it goes to their legs and blood. That's what counts." Hermann Hesse ------=_Part_325441_837484286.1291830411988 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Thi= s quote has always expressed what I believe to be a central issue in perfor= mance , beyond the unrequited gear lust that lays us low on occasion.
bryan helm
at-the-helm.us


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------=_Part_325441_837484286.1291830411988-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 17:51:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5535618353D; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kKjpYAiFE8sDKbYt/Bgoi1AeJ/uPcBbmo5cJDYS7QL8=; b=LvSFGKE2Ssc/uKiyJF5wBsVA2vXpDITfMUcsGsj+E96ghTYX8ANj4n+VaElCm2os9h 86a/I8UscAlZiRuUaKcqZ0iryfAtXPbdZmfODMLMopyb2cJrdWXS+nvl3MAwtit7kj3j bAHHY+DjqO5HQa/YXp4m3p69kKwNjhzB6uK4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=tUXY2Jzy+5hn+G9vWai7WJUI5a9U6YMXvo2Awyu01tQatg4c0mkSrzWhJfGHaG/OKL J4lmUiSJsdu+Uc/M/YwsX3OvYWYWh4qBm68+RhMm1eW39bRUvaln/GDX9ynrpLXxCS8S L0sPMFUGdV1M4Vbr0FyRhRAWFwwv5OK8r1dBE= Message-ID: <4CFFC596.7060301@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:51:18 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: French composers are leaving France for the US? References: <4CF4E782.40301@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4CF4E782.40301@cruzio.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:51:22 +0000 (UTC) As I lived in France for almost 5 years, I'll add some of my own observations here: Am 30.11.10 13:01, schrieb Rick Walker: > Per Boysen wrote: >> Indeed surprising, given the fact that while most European >> countries are adapting to the bad economic times by decreasing tax >> financed support for the arts France has increased that budget post >> by seven percent. As always things are more complex than numbers alone. Yes, I doubt there is any country in Europe which puts more money into culture than France, even the tiniest village seems to have its own, well funded, conservatoire. But - all is very controlled and it seems to be biased on the education of the educated upper and middle-class. Classical music is big, new music is supported if it sounds like Boulez (for the simple reason, that those who control the money flow do not know better). In Theater there is more freedom, as a crucial part of the whole art supporting system is based on the "intermittent du spectacle". It means that performing artist and also stage technicians have a status which allows for times without work to receive payment from the unemployment office easily. Composers do not have this status, they usually need a teaching job at one of the conservatoires, which they usually hate... Another effect is, that a performer from France is way cheaper for the organizers than a performer from other countries (they can accept a lower fee), which leads to less exchange. It seems to support the local artist, but in reality their mind nutrition suffers from a lack of foreign inspiration. The quality of craft is high, but the diversity is low (a lot sounds the same)... I'd wonder how french loopers look at that, this is just a very personal observation from a small angle... > One night, we played at a village concert hall in the dead of > winter (it was snowing outside and very cold). At the end of the > concert, we were treated to a gourmet meal by a couple of chefs from > the best restaurants in the region. These folks had shut their > restaurants down to make the four of us this gourmet meal. At the > end of the meal, we were presented with bottles of wine that had our > names printed on the labels from regional vintners and then presented > with a beautiful Marzipan cake that had our likenesses airbrushed on > with colored icing (and an amazing resemblance it bore). This > largesse was jaw dropping to me. I had also different experiences in the country side. Local majors are proud of having artists present their work in their town. They wouldn't be able to pull out as much nowadays, but the spirit is very different to Paris and its surrounding areas. Its not like two different countries, its like two different planets... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles--------x-- -_____-----------|-----------|-- -(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- - _|_)----|-----()-------------- ---------()----------TJ Shredder http://tjshredder.wordpress.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 17:58:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57A75183567; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 17:58:48 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=TU4AUWl5FbAfGOxQCtykmPHNJ3L5N4cK8G17fIh/uZ04/vszXfkHxQ8njBWW7brXQA1OtR5PnL68GoU3HFhhlMLtPm4wUNLKZ2CnHRHmp1XdRcMGibZOKOs4t4DENHO6; Message-ID: <20101208115207.pz817apxcg8w0o44@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:52:07 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia References: <695204D4-BDFA-492E-BE99-2F4A5954FFB6@frontier.com> <4CFCE5A5.8070709@cruzio.com> <4CFD2010.4050604@googlemail.com> <4CFF5268.9020701@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Petri Lahtinen : > >> How many of you are willing to take the time to truly understand the >> acoustical space of the places where you perform? How many of you are >> willing to spend the time to measure the delay times in a venue and >> then adjust your gear to maximize the sonic experience of space that >> you might be able to create. And having done all that, how many of you >> are going to ask your audience to experience that space the way that >> you have envisioned playing it? ... now lather, rinse, and repeat for >> 20+ years. >> >> I didn't think so. > I don't understand where you are coming from, really. Given the opportunity, I do all of these things. However, most venues allow less than thirty minutes to arrive on =20 stage, setup, AND to do a perfunctory sound check. If I insisted on ample time to: measure the decay times in the space and, 2 re-program all my =20 equipment to match it, 3 practice specific adjustments I must make for =20 the space -- well -- I would get few opportunities to play. Incidentally, my preferred medium is 5.1 and I have a PA system to =20 deliver this. However, in most places the sound system is a "given" =20 -- it is usually stereo and the best I can do is to provide a foldown =20 to stereo from 5.1. This is true for pipe organ recitals, too. I have to play the =20 instrument and the acoustics that are provided. Even with lots of =20 reheasal time the "sound" of the instrument and the acoustics are =20 givens to which I must adapt. The tone of this response seems combative -- perhaps you didn't mean =20 it that way -- but somehow suggests that to do anything less than a =20 long, detailed sound-check is somehow lazy, or unethical, or whatever. Perhaps I'm not in the best mood today. Perhaps that is the reason =20 your statement engenders a kind of "WTF???!!!" kind of reaction. Nothing personal -- but dammit, I, like most musicians, deal with =20 less-than-ideal situations most of the time and, with great =20 professionalism, manage to deliver decent performances anyway. In =20 fact, to do a technically-complex, interesting, and communicative =20 performance despite all the drawbacks is quite an accomplishment, imo. Ok, end of rant. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 18:15:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73676183588; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:15:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia X-Originating-Ip: 12.232.29.12 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20101208181513.288AC160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=PulfmWnd7sdvC6SfiC25Z3KSmhV4MYmudYUa95u8QsY= c=1 sm=1 a=rehfUQI_VDUA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=On0WWK6jPOYjEY56o7/mOQ==:17 a=myP459r3AAAA:8 a=hiGGu2Y6AAAA:8 a=yFuDAPCIAAAA:8 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=jLbM8sejAAAA:8 a=-y-x6UcKAAAA:8 a=A7Wvaz8EAAAA:8 a=CHgmWXEp4o81tt9TkAAA:9 a=_XaqCfRLvVV3_v9niHAA:7 a=3boqo8xCZB-CDtpHKFybLv-WtH0A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=kxlwQYSBe-oA:10 a=6y61hU8uYSEA:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=yfbMa7gD-Jf4ueBL:21 a=iRpwk_z5So_eQ1s1:21 a=WkljmVdYkabdwxfqvArNOQ==:117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Having read another reply to this already which covers some of the same com= ments I would make, I would add that this is nearly impossible for most pla= ces. There isn't the time, the time available without distractions ( needle= ss to say empty of customers ) & realistically, no reason to do so. Most au= diences simply are unaware of the work that goes into a performance, much l= ess the prep time needed. Plus, even thinking about modifying a delay to ag= ree with the room dimentions is a rather extreme waste of time if it means = not being able to get the practical work done getting ready for a performan= ce. All this assumes, of course, that one has the time in advance to do ANY= prep work. Too often, it's get to the location, set up while another perfo= rmer is having his moment in the spotlight, & then............. >=20 > In light of this reply by Andy about WHY Fripp uses what he does the > way he does (and it tangentially gets at his attitude about > photography during his performances), let me ask you all this: >=20 > How many of you are willing to take the time to truly understand the > acoustical space of the places where you perform? How many of you are > willing to spend the time to measure the delay times in a venue and > then adjust your gear to maximize the sonic experience of space that > you might be able to create. And having done all that, how many of you > are going to ask your audience to experience that space the way that > you have envisioned playing it? ... now lather, rinse, and repeat for > 20+ years. >=20 > I didn't think so. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Dennis >=20 > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:39 AM, andy butler wrot= e: > > > >> 2010/12/6 Rainer Straschill >> > > >> > >> > >> =A0 =A0Let me ask you this, then: Suppose you had three (or two, or on= e) > >> =A0 =A0H8000(s): > >> =A0 =A0What would you do with them that you can't do with what you hav= e at > >> =A0 =A0your disposal and that would really bring forward what you do > >> musically? > >> > > > > When I saw Fripp he certainly needed 3 long stereo delays, with 2 of th= em > > very precisely the same length. > > > > 1 stereo delay was used to create a loop in his front 2 speakers. > > The other 2 were very carefully routed so that they created > > a stereo soundfield that gradually swept back over the heads > > of his audience to the rear 2 speakers. > > I not heard of anyone else configuring their delays to create > > spacial movement quite like that, it was impressive, and particularly > > the synth harps (not a sound I usually enjoy) really seemed to > > hang in the air a few feet above head height as they gradually moved ba= ck. > > > > I expect that if he specified top quality reliable audio gear to accomp= lish > > this that his setup was not in any way unreasonable. > > > > There's a nice Zappa quote about money > > "Some people put it up their nose, I put it in my ear." > > > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 19:04:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FF1F18352C; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Gthn8eoBm/l67l8T07VNGnJJQWWLd08OaMQTn2iT4s8=; b=PsqtMMmlqxYREIsD4jsdu9+loTZpzIhZgvy5wdIo068c7hCy6DIVBrPoWQrMgtO3Bo 2j3s2qgajFg6WofQHOXqQKVaRhWET2+vwzroKJB6I4sk4+zfnw/gUFI+srtyo/rmKaKL 9cknTNMeH9mljflswnLrji4RIQzfzXQ3VlWhM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=oxqGSm+x2QXm6iS1B0cUA9ryZV6S5gZRE9ueEJw5sbmxPsB4IYMoP8Dh9bM06NgfmZ HMp9iLnEJxFjsCzpvsHV04UCVEpliYrC9XJh2Z1ETQ+1XlB7KAGFhEqVb7N6Y/CAqAFA EArBeVQ0aux/zOHTjq+c3zbKc+IaNdVYQo/Lg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1422041587-1291766476-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-776605567-@bda2841.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4CFEFEBE.3080101@gmail.com> <4CFF9639.5080001@gmail.com> <14EF1D49-9689-4562-87C2-EFC57E6D4814@charter.net> <20101208154105.283370@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:04:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Pedal, Table or Rack From: Zak Kramer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba539efa15f0fa0496eacb61 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:04:41 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba539efa15f0fa0496eacb61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When playing a solo show where I may be lugging and setting up, in addition to any looping gear, 1-3 guitars, 1-2 amps, and 3-15 flutes of various types and materials, size and weight are major considerations. As is the reality that I'm not likely to have my hands free for long during a performance. In addition, I have found that using fewer "boxes" allows me to concentrate on the parts of music/performance that I enjoy the most, and minimizing technical issues and option overload. As a result, I have settled as a Boomerang III as the heart of my looping rig. I miss many functions and capacities of my EDP, but the choice to limit myself in this way has forced me to become more creative in using what I already have. I find this invaluable, as well. Standard notifications of subjectivity apply. Zak Kramer Big Blue Guitar --90e6ba539efa15f0fa0496eacb61 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When playing a solo show where I may be lugging and setting up, in addition= to any looping gear, 1-3 guitars, 1-2 amps, and 3-15 flutes of various typ= es and materials, size and weight are major considerations. As is the reali= ty that I'm not likely to have my hands free for long during a performa= nce. In addition, I have found that using fewer "boxes" allows me= to concentrate on the parts of music/performance that I enjoy the most, an= d minimizing technical issues and option overload.

As a result, I have settled as a Boomerang III as the heart of my loopi= ng rig. I miss many functions and capacities of my EDP, but the choice to l= imit myself in this way has forced me to become more creative in using what= I already have. I find this invaluable, as well.

Standard notifications of subjectivity apply.

Zak = Kramer
Big Blue Guitar

--90e6ba539efa15f0fa0496eacb61-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 20:18:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA8FB183538; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=SAE7SRurjDxbsILuyb3Iqw+5hRbaS7l20UH1dgCKdqI=; b=KCioQjuohYV1N+mgbpbpMbKCfpN32br0GTDvnPxmZJTtuUdE87h5UWNJAIc4DcQshm +H2ulDMay3Jkswy4ONXVX9gWH7D3itdFe0xJmyZvwPaiFptv636NYOTettSA2NrDhM8H 0JsEIIhCkY6n5a3A8ahhIEyn/moc7mF5EnuMI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=rFsJMz7GSaZHaHfhKaRr7jQCtszdW2j6PA8HuKAbSTa/MJBKtvZONILjmDJYh+VotB OK+ArGI01ZfrrSzTezU5GX1fhewXacZTN1cgy9NXJrz10vBOnp8GNWHV52ZyVmCDQg/d Zx1Ky+JErpizJpcQDMoMAsd2HDW8aYnDkS9BQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20101208181513.288AC160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> References: <20101208181513.288AC160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 21:17:39 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: r2X6HcgwJ4NLinEdGd41OJLt6cM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305641ab489a720496ebd1a8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:18:02 +0000 (UTC) --20cf305641ab489a720496ebd1a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK Im just gonna HAVE to chime in here, havent before cos I dont really find much of interest in Fripps work, i of course agknowlege that he has some history in this genre of technology... But really Mark... On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Mark Showalter wrote: > Hello,, I would add that this is nearly impossible for most places. There > isn't the time, the time available without distractions ( needless to say > empty of customers ) & realistically, no reason to do so. Thats just nonsense! you are comparing a world famous millionaire ROCK STAR with us, lowley louts who can sometimes get a gig in a coffee bar for a few beers! For someone of this caliber I have NO DOUBT that he has a small army of technicians running about with venue diagrams, racks upon racks of graphic equalisers, white noise generators, frequency analysers, and phase cansellation devices, and discreet delays for speaker offsets. A NORMAL PRO band will soundcheck for a minimum of 4 hours in a proffesional venue. OK maybe just the last half hour will be the band running through a few songs to adjust the onstage mix. In my own band of the 90s we would first run white noise through the PA, take a reading and adjust the graphics to get a flat response, then we would play the bands intro tape and take another reading, this tape was mostly bass frequencies, with some highs near the end... then we would measure the length of the reverb in the hall, usually from front to back, this calculation would be to adjust the levels and lengths of reverbs that our sound guy would put on the band, predominatly the drums and vocals, THEN we would set up backline and do the stage check.. Then as the intro tape was played, the Sound guy would check again the analysis of the room, now with bodies in (hopefully).. doing the lows first and the highs at the end, comparing with the reading from before the audience dampened the room...and then the band came on... ALL to fix the sound to each and every specific room... and we were a crapo sounding indie band... Im absolutely sure that Fripp does this too... Most audiences simply are unaware of the work that goes into a performance, > much less the prep time needed. True, but they would HEAR the difference, believe me... Plus, even thinking about modifying a delay to agree with the room > dimentions is a rather extreme waste of time if it means not being able to > get the practical work done getting ready for a performance. True...thinking about it would be a waste of time... doing it is an absolute nessecity in any 1000+ room... All this assumes, of course, that one has the time in advance to do ANY prep > work. Too often, it's get to the location, set up while another performer is > having his moment in the spotlight, & then............. > Yes we do.. but I thought we were talking about Mr Fripp... Im sure he has had plans sent to him, visited the venue before hand (or had someone so it) And now to Dennis... > In light of this reply by Andy about WHY Fripp uses what he does the > way he does (and it tangentially gets at his attitude about > photography during his performances), let me ask you all this: > > > How many of you are willing to take the time to truly understand the > > acoustical space of the places where you perform? How many of you are > > willing to spend the time to measure the delay times in a venue and > > then adjust your gear to maximize the sonic experience of space that > > you might be able to create. And having done all that, how many of you > > are going to ask your audience to experience that space the way that > > you have envisioned playing it? ... now lather, rinse, and repeat for > > 20+ years. > > > um...... > > I didn't think so. > Er....absolutely fucking all of us do something like that Dennis.. you pompous wotsit... we might not call it "Maximising the sonic experiance of space..." but we sure as hell fiddle with the mix so it sounds good... what we do might differ... but measuring the delay times is frankely pretty ordinary... sorry... Jeez.. there are some people that one is really NOT allowed to critisize are you? Just wait for me to get started on Zappa.. phew what a dick... Im with Bill here... I dont care that he has a big rack though, hes rich.. if I was rich and didnt have to carry it, I would have a fucking big rack... but... well... how to put it carefully.. he's... well... um... dull as dishwater? Regards Mark (running like hell in the oposite direction) -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --20cf305641ab489a720496ebd1a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Im just gonna HAVE to chime in here, havent before cos I dont really=20 find much of interest in Fripps work, i of course agknowlege that he has some history in this genre of technology...

But really Mark...
<= br>
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Mark Showalte= r <folkst= one57@operamail.com> wrote:
Hello,, I would add that this is nearly impossible for most places. There isn'= t the time, the time available without distractions ( needless to say=20 empty of customers ) & realistically, no reason to do so.
=

Thats just nonsense! you are comparing a world famous millionaire ROCK STAR=20 with us, lowley louts who can sometimes get a gig in a coffee bar for a=20 few beers!=A0 For someone of this caliber I have NO DOUBT that he has a=20 small army of technicians running about with venue diagrams, racks upon=20 racks of graphic equalisers, white noise generators, frequency=20 analysers, and phase cansellation devices, and discreet delays for=20 speaker offsets.
A NORMAL PRO band will soundcheck for a minimum of 4 hours in a proffesional venue. OK maybe just the last half hour will be the band running through a few songs to adjust the onstage mix.

In my own band of the 90s we would first run white noise through the PA,=20 take a reading and adjust the graphics to get a flat response,=A0 then we= =20 would play the bands intro tape and take another reading, this tape was=20 mostly bass frequencies, with some highs near the end... then we would=20 measure the length of the reverb in the hall, usually from front to=20 back, this calculation would be to adjust the levels and lengths of=20 reverbs that our sound guy would put on the band, predominatly the drums and vocals, THEN we would set up backline and do the stage check.. Then as the intro tape was played, the Sound guy would check again the=20 analysis of the room, now with bodies in (hopefully).. doing the lows=20 first and the highs at the end, comparing with the reading from before=20 the audience dampened the room...and then the band came on...
ALL to fi= x the sound to each and every specific room... and we were a crapo sounding= indie band...

Im absolutely sure that Fripp does this too...

Most au= diences simply are unaware of the work that goes into a performance, much l= ess the prep time needed.

True, but they would HEAR the difference, believe me...

Plus, even thinking about modifying a delay to agree with the room dimentions is a rather extreme waste of time if it means not being able to get the practical work done getting ready for a performance.
True...thinking about it would be a waste of time... doing it is an absolu= te nessecity in any 1000+ room...

All this assumes, of course, that one has the time in advance to do ANY=20 prep work. Too often, it's get to the location, set up while another=20 performer is having his moment in the spotlight, & then.............

Yes we do.. but I thought we were talking about Mr Fripp... Im sure he has=20 had plans sent to him, visited the venue before hand (or had someone so=20 it)

And now to Dennis...

> In light of this reply by Andy about WHY Fripp uses what he does the > way he does (and it tangentially gets at his attitude about
> photography during his performances), let me ask you all this:
>
> How many of you are willing to take the time to trul= y understand the
> acoustical space of the places where you perform? How many of you are<= br> > willing to spend the time to measure the delay times in a venue and > then adjust your gear to maximize the sonic experience of space that > you might be able to create. And having done all that, how many of you=
> are going to ask your audience to experience that space the way that > you have envisioned playing it? ... now lather, rinse, and repeat for<= br> > 20+ years.
>

um......
=A0
> I didn't think so.

Er....absolutely= =20 fucking all of us do something like that Dennis.. you pompous wotsit...=20 we might not call it "Maximising the sonic experiance of space..."= ; but=20 we sure as hell fiddle with the mix so it sounds good... what we do=20 might differ... but measuring the delay times is frankely pretty=20 ordinary... sorry...

Jeez.. there are some people that one is=20 really NOT allowed to critisize are you? Just wait for me to get started on Zappa.. phew what a dick...

Im with Bill here... I dont care=20 that he has a big rack though, hes rich.. if I was rich and didnt have=20 to carry it, I would have a fucking big rack... but... well... how to=20 put it carefully.. he's... well... um... dull as dishwater?

Rega= rds

Mark (running like hell in the oposite direction)
--
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www.mark= francombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @ma= rkfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/use= r825094
http://www.looop.no
--20cf305641ab489a720496ebd1a8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 20:31:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8ED5183540; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tQaLDMrko9ublfbeqTjZPaICCxErG5Lyc9euBYBy/Iw=; b=x3MnaLmreBI1fjiOMxc219UoHkbphp8q6UD8rQ0pDCEu+m6Z9m4twrKC1gm79J3qC2 3m9hxasbAoKpwvNn9nY9pAsXD05w5Wu6xzDHP71xbZ5gj/KzsJkg0IX7FhxpCBcs262r L58lHQIMgGu7fSNAJXjtf2QHSYQRqPXn+U/Iw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=c6XDf0QN9zLCzyNVrHuHqdm1snVgLQIQ3kxP9n4fZ9TkDjkdNM6hVuPxwZJZZorOE6 xRp26M9YEB8zKDEONeK7Tokq1N77zOB9VVmmwb5KAFWufSHbhbDC1seJ+oXP9opqOrpE zkApbXNxY6bbV8TksD2mYRMsuCyFQbEc7Mjn0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20101208181513.288AC160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 12:31:18 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:31:20 +0000 (UTC) > but... well... how to put it carefully.. he's... well... um... dull as > dishwater? No, that's Clapton (why are there so many people here under the table?) Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 20:34:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38D8B18353D; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1291840486; bh=xpdRzfkJAcsDSSmc3EHg7jcsPttzC0vomZJ6Jtv8MOI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CUKmdKTAX78zsvjWRFyZz5BROjPiTM+tIOP8ey1bloDUccp53hm8DGSoxEAmbukVT/yrtkkLkdwD25Ww3w9Rp+IS+MdKHoyHK5Bbhb1CfpqxCD0U0B0GOLG3ju/d+yfotCnjeAR/NtteCSfNhdFpidg6cs+PUcdYqn7X0Jox3yc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EVX9jLCYfyQEiLLNG9lyulhRnVLteHT+LpBdO25Yk36KPt5M+mYSLCfXQaH/Z708ziWLRxdXlehdaw8JQ/8Fz1emgHnp577T8SF+fPMhFQWX2lT0z9bLYviYDmFsEqQaNK6Rcno83OwWeh9LfnBQYmemUzvwiiaaOeldo+vco6U=; Message-ID: <312741.59645.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: R6rLOfsVM1l92Qm8AIssqi.fuvpe42kDWVHBvhO6Q_3vvKU aXWn0cL_GgQtoVoyqzAi4KqJZUfacOzvO2m7WBvW7t7CUDn8LHgsl2bKttr2 INio7HlpDIhggM8Er5IV_dnkQEOZIPKH21FTrTFonQ6wvjXVY4_BIHMz5_Qb 4oHWL6RBGgdOEgers4BInMruX1ioWly_xOON.tRb5R6fOAa0lsKHhvacSc9F eAg21s8e88CDfIlmwCu0EOHO9I4yjuTvlqFPTH1dYhjmMGpm9HW7x3L27Mk6 S5_6OoQ2ttoRFJ6Av.a4BsmoFzk7ALyMPCw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <20101208181513.288AC160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 12:34:45 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-193017160-1291840485=:59645" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:34:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-193017160-1291840485=:59645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii all I wan tot say is that I am enjoying the hell out of this conversation. Nice to see these opposing points of view develop. I am laughing and nodding a lot. Too bad most rooms have shitty acoustics; of course you need to adjust. You just do as much as you can afford to do. And viva eventide, I sold my Orville instead of upgrading to an 8000 and I am sorry I passed on the upgrade. Being able to create you own algorythms is great. Had a looper with record triggered by audio, no more syncing foot and hand... Antony ________________________________ From: mark francombe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 9:17:39 PM Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia OK Im just gonna HAVE to chime in here, havent before cos I dont really find much of interest in Fripps work, i of course agknowlege that he has some history in this genre of technology... But really Mark... On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Mark Showalter wrote: Hello,, I would add that this is nearly impossible for most places. There isn't the time, the time available without distractions ( needless to say empty of customers ) & realistically, no reason to do so. Thats just nonsense! you are comparing a world famous millionaire ROCK STAR with us, lowley louts who can sometimes get a gig in a coffee bar for a few beers! For someone of this caliber I have NO DOUBT that he has a small army of technicians running about with venue diagrams, racks upon racks of graphic equalisers, white noise generators, frequency analysers, and phase cansellation devices, and discreet delays for speaker offsets. A NORMAL PRO band will soundcheck for a minimum of 4 hours in a proffesional venue. OK maybe just the last half hour will be the band running through a few songs to adjust the onstage mix. In my own band of the 90s we would first run white noise through the PA, take a reading and adjust the graphics to get a flat response, then we would play the bands intro tape and take another reading, this tape was mostly bass frequencies, with some highs near the end... then we would measure the length of the reverb in the hall, usually from front to back, this calculation would be to adjust the levels and lengths of reverbs that our sound guy would put on the band, predominatly the drums and vocals, THEN we would set up backline and do the stage check.. Then as the intro tape was played, the Sound guy would check again the analysis of the room, now with bodies in (hopefully).. doing the lows first and the highs at the end, comparing with the reading from before the audience dampened the room...and then the band came on... ALL to fix the sound to each and every specific room... and we were a crapo sounding indie band... Im absolutely sure that Fripp does this too... Most audiences simply are unaware of the work that goes into a performance, much less the prep time needed. True, but they would HEAR the difference, believe me... Plus, even thinking about modifying a delay to agree with the room dimentions is a rather extreme waste of time if it means not being able to get the practical work done getting ready for a performance. True...thinking about it would be a waste of time... doing it is an absolute nessecity in any 1000+ room... All this assumes, of course, that one has the time in advance to do ANY prep work. Too often, it's get to the location, set up while another performer is having his moment in the spotlight, & then............. > Yes we do.. but I thought we were talking about Mr Fripp... Im sure he has had plans sent to him, visited the venue before hand (or had someone so it) And now to Dennis... > In light of this reply by Andy about WHY Fripp uses what he does the > way he does (and it tangentially gets at his attitude about > photography during his performances), let me ask you all this: > > How many of you are willing to take the time to truly understand the >> acoustical space of the places where you perform? How many of you are >> willing to spend the time to measure the delay times in a venue and >> then adjust your gear to maximize the sonic experience of space that >> you might be able to create. And having done all that, how many of you >> are going to ask your audience to experience that space the way that >> you have envisioned playing it? ... now lather, rinse, and repeat for >> 20+ years. >> > um...... > I didn't think so. > Er....absolutely fucking all of us do something like that Dennis.. you pompous wotsit... we might not call it "Maximising the sonic experiance of space..." but we sure as hell fiddle with the mix so it sounds good... what we do might differ... but measuring the delay times is frankely pretty ordinary... sorry... Jeez.. there are some people that one is really NOT allowed to critisize are you? Just wait for me to get started on Zappa.. phew what a dick... Im with Bill here... I dont care that he has a big rack though, hes rich.. if I was rich and didnt have to carry it, I would have a fucking big rack... but... well... how to put it carefully.. he's... well... um... dull as dishwater? Regards Mark (running like hell in the oposite direction) -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0-193017160-1291840485=:59645 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
all I wan tot say is that I am enjoying the hell out of this conversation. Nice to see these opposing points of view develop. I am laughing and nodding a lot.
Too bad most rooms have shitty acoustics; of course you need to adjust. You just do as much as you can afford to do. And viva eventide, I sold my Orville instead of upgrading to an 8000 and I am sorry I passed on the upgrade. Being able to create you own algorythms is great. Had a looper with record triggered by audio, no more syncing foot and hand...

Antony

From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 9:17:39 PM
Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia

OK Im just gonna HAVE to chime in here, havent before cos I dont really find much of interest in Fripps work, i of course agknowlege that he has some history in this genre of technology...

But really Mark...

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Mark Showalter <folkstone57@operamail.com> wrote:
Hello,, I would add that this is nearly impossible for most places. There isn't the time, the time available without distractions ( needless to say empty of customers ) & realistically, no reason to do so.

Thats just nonsense! you are comparing a world famous millionaire ROCK STAR with us, lowley louts who can sometimes get a gig in a coffee bar for a few beers!  For someone of this caliber I have NO DOUBT that he has a small army of technicians running about with venue diagrams, racks upon racks of graphic equalisers, white noise generators, frequency analysers, and phase cansellation devices, and discreet delays for speaker offsets.
A NORMAL PRO band will soundcheck for a minimum of 4 hours in a proffesional venue. OK maybe just the last half hour will be the band running through a few songs to adjust the onstage mix.

In my own band of the 90s we would first run white noise through the PA, take a reading and adjust the graphics to get a flat response,  then we would play the bands intro tape and take another reading, this tape was mostly bass frequencies, with some highs near the end... then we would measure the length of the reverb in the hall, usually from front to back, this calculation would be to adjust the levels and lengths of reverbs that our sound guy would put on the band, predominatly the drums and vocals, THEN we would set up backline and do the stage check.. Then as the intro tape was played, the Sound guy would check again the analysis of the room, now with bodies in (hopefully).. doing the lows first and the highs at the end, comparing with the reading from before the audience dampened the room...and then the band came on...
ALL to fix the sound to each and every specific room... and we were a crapo sounding indie band...

Im absolutely sure that Fripp does this too...

Most audiences simply are unaware of the work that goes into a performance, much less the prep time needed.

True, but they would HEAR the difference, believe me...

Plus, even thinking about modifying a delay to agree with the room dimentions is a rather extreme waste of time if it means not being able to get the practical work done getting ready for a performance.

True...thinking about it would be a waste of time... doing it is an absolute nessecity in any 1000+ room...

All this assumes, of course, that one has the time in advance to do ANY prep work. Too often, it's get to the location, set up while another performer is having his moment in the spotlight, & then.............

Yes we do.. but I thought we were talking about Mr Fripp... Im sure he has had plans sent to him, visited the venue before hand (or had someone so it)

And now to Dennis...

> In light of this reply by Andy about WHY Fripp uses what he does the
> way he does (and it tangentially gets at his attitude about
> photography during his performances), let me ask you all this:
>
> How many of you are willing to take the time to truly understand the
> acoustical space of the places where you perform? How many of you are
> willing to spend the time to measure the delay times in a venue and
> then adjust your gear to maximize the sonic experience of space that
> you might be able to create. And having done all that, how many of you
> are going to ask your audience to experience that space the way that
> you have envisioned playing it? ... now lather, rinse, and repeat for
> 20+ years.
>

um......
 
> I didn't think so.

Er....absolutely fucking all of us do something like that Dennis.. you pompous wotsit... we might not call it "Maximising the sonic experiance of space..." but we sure as hell fiddle with the mix so it sounds good... what we do might differ... but measuring the delay times is frankely pretty ordinary... sorry...

Jeez.. there are some people that one is really NOT allowed to critisize are you? Just wait for me to get started on Zappa.. phew what a dick...

Im with Bill here... I dont care that he has a big rack though, hes rich.. if I was rich and didnt have to carry it, I would have a fucking big rack... but... well... how to put it carefully.. he's... well... um... dull as dishwater?

Regards

Mark (running like hell in the oposite direction)
--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

--0-193017160-1291840485=:59645-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 20:37:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B026318354D; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4CFFEC65.1060907@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:36:53 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Peters CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: USB drives me nuts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:37:01 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > "My Vista notebook has 3 USB ports........." Dear Michael, I don't know the technical answer to your question, but I do know this. In a zillion forums and talking to tons of people I've heard "Avoid Win VISTA like the plague for audio applications". I've heard this so many times. They just never worked the bugs out in VISTA and it was never designed specifically for audio (no Win system is, really). By the time they got to service pack 2 for Win XP, they had really gotten the kinks worked out for audio, imho. I know that it is now two operating systems old, but I love Win XP with service pack 3. It just runs like a workhorse. I've heard that Win 7 has really fixed a lot of bugs and that you can even run a Win XP system inside the system. I haven't moved over because my stuff works so rock solid in XP and because they changed several things about the visual GUI of Win 7 that annoy me and I"m just lazy and don't want to learn the new system......I just want to write music. That said and done I bought a refurbished quad core machine that has 7 on it natively, so I may try that out when I start using it later this month (I'm trying to set up a video projection studio in the small room and it's going to be the brains of that). You can pick up a Win XP Pro version Service Pack 2 for around $100 USD these days from China for what it's worth. I think you'll have far fewer problems with it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 20:40:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43B3C183559; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4CFFED46.7040907@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:40:38 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Ricks Spotify link References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3jYbCC.A.MkC.N1-_MB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:40:45 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Welcome to the Micro Business.... > (the former Music Business) Yeah, I know what you mean, Per. It's just tough when you want to put a framed copy on your wall of the first 0.00029 cents you ever made with your artistry. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 20:43:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AD6418356D; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ProxyUser-IP: 82.69.58.35 Message-ID: <4CFFEDE2.8030707@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 20:43:14 +0000 From: Dave Draper Reply-To: dh.draper@virgin.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Tiedje CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: OT: French composers are leaving France for the US? References: <4CFFC596.7060301@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4CFFC596.7060301@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:43:11 +0000 (UTC) But heh, look on the bright side.... Record three versions of a traditional lament (" Art for art's sake, money for god's sake" etc etc)... call it a (Turner Prize submission) sound installation & pick up 25 grand as you pass GO!! (Just my cynical 25 cents' worth...) Dave On 19:59, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > As I lived in France for almost 5 years, I'll add some of my own > observations here: > > Am 30.11.10 13:01, schrieb Rick Walker: >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> Indeed surprising, given the fact that while most European >>> countries are adapting to the bad economic times by decreasing tax >>> financed support for the arts France has increased that budget post >>> by seven percent. > > As always things are more complex than numbers alone. Yes, I doubt there > is any country in Europe which puts more money into culture than France, > even the tiniest village seems to have its own, well funded, conservatoire. > But - all is very controlled and it seems to be biased on the education > of the educated upper and middle-class. Classical music is big, new > music is supported if it sounds like Boulez (for the simple reason, that > those who control the money flow do not know better). In Theater there > is more freedom, as a crucial part of the whole art supporting system is > based on the "intermittent du spectacle". It means that performing > artist and also stage technicians have a status which allows for times > without work to receive payment from the unemployment office easily. > Composers do not have this status, they usually need a teaching job at > one of the conservatoires, which they usually hate... > Another effect is, that a performer from France is way cheaper for the > organizers than a performer from other countries (they can accept a > lower fee), which leads to less exchange. It seems to support the local > artist, but in reality their mind nutrition suffers from a lack of > foreign inspiration. > The quality of craft is high, but the diversity is low (a lot sounds the > same)... > > I'd wonder how french loopers look at that, this is just a very personal > observation from a small angle... > >> One night, we played at a village concert hall in the dead of >> winter (it was snowing outside and very cold). At the end of the >> concert, we were treated to a gourmet meal by a couple of chefs from >> the best restaurants in the region. These folks had shut their >> restaurants down to make the four of us this gourmet meal. At the >> end of the meal, we were presented with bottles of wine that had our >> names printed on the labels from regional vintners and then presented >> with a beautiful Marzipan cake that had our likenesses airbrushed on >> with colored icing (and an amazing resemblance it bore). This >> largesse was jaw dropping to me. > > I had also different experiences in the country side. Local majors are > proud of having artists present their work in their town. They wouldn't > be able to pull out as much nowadays, but the spirit is very different > to Paris and its surrounding areas. Its not like two different > countries, its like two different planets... > > Stefan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 22:15:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 577B4183559; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GNNTPpk57Hubc+QRPmT6Zl+Ca/LFO7Re0EqDFfLvDaw=; b=MPw+fKy9evoXYawHDfIA3nsnL0nkcQmm46dZrglhjemjCQeK1b0ZMq1mreIZiOB5sz Bvqkyxy9vT+Nn/ngTGhEjsHAgVwuQ3F7CL7nBIwwe2ZA99m36zHBxVEdpencfcvwDbEJ GKnqrnVmr3Ad5zHFx7PEnGyYXRj7XnRmiLATk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=bs75taHnfpI8Rtmm926CJUgurJNuSHHnqWKJIzll5ASmuCqEMgLDYDxGtUzoU2MCMc U7oZQz2sywhwi0lp0k2RiqESHqpD04Bx59h9VNqFEJlNapfACgyadqYC+ozU5swq4wRF 2ZhXA679nSHhJ+R2osNvRWkCQOI/Y/Ujzk1Ps= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20101208181513.288AC160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 23:15:18 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:15:19 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:17 PM, mark francombe wrote: > dull as dishwater? LOL! Can't argue much about that but I at least know one exception from the dishwater standard, an album called Red. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 22:48:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D6A6183566; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gatpoUUwholq7x0/VwumzNZngdvq9R3AFY578Q7IQas=; b=O5QZg1V6SZyib5tXl8lKtFZQD5ik6+unFvD3hoQ/6tJHz5M89+yxGxGjB1HqYxeaJg l4gDw7maL297t5G5XZJtyEIwQWJYSwATVqXTF1+AlKaLzh6KQ0+xh/7ySE2g9oXKlLtH 0QT+h4DiZMXxhSPYkfZhYuklHyKCIg3MFXg7E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FVGT7oeUm8S5VYY7tNMoabh0V80v8J0B2rRyHOaSHC2AbOAAKjuIqwVflNseN8y2Jr oT/KqMT7z84Sh0VYXPUJNY4TBqLVxS+l5uMVRdO1kv86ytrHS4K8+u1UFSUUly4lA8WW qTOVxDvdxhzG2y0plYU1nKsHgmHAQNV1Lk018= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20101208181513.288AC160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:48:26 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:48:28 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:17 PM, mark francombe w= rote: >> dull as dishwater? > > > LOL! Can't argue much about that but I at least know one exception > from the dishwater standard, an album called Red. The Great Deceiver live box set might also clear your mind of the dishwater impression, and I'd have a hard time with that impression listening to his work with Eno (as partner and hired guitarist) and Bowie. And then there's Discipline. And a bunch of other stuff on either side of that that may be all right or may be dishwater depending on your mood. K --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 22:54:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3DE7183570; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20101208024909.3710418350C@hemlock.violacea.com> <16E5415A-7448-4C42-98F3-0B20F6BFE53F@me.com> <8BB3F9AC-F9B9-43F7-BD58-524FB9B0E173@frontier.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia X-AOL-IP: 69.183.241.221 In-Reply-To: <8BB3F9AC-F9B9-43F7-BD58-524FB9B0E173@frontier.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Patrick Bishop X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CD654208E0951D_13B4_DB27_webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32992-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD654208CFEB7D-13B4-5843@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [69.183.241.221] Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:54:42 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:456522112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d4d000cb324d7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:54:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CD654208E0951D_13B4_DB27_webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Fripp actually has a great sense of humor, you just have to dig a bit. It's= there, below the surface, kind of like a tuber. PJ -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:06 am Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia On Dec 7, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Kenn Lowy wrote: > He does allow pictures now. The announcement that was made before =20 > the concert was "no cameras with flash". He's mellowed a bit. > I know he's revered here, but (I have to confess), he comes off as a =20 complete douche nozzle in just about every interview with him I've read. Jeff =20 ----------MB_8CD654208E0951D_13B4_DB27_webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Fripp actually has a great = sense of humor, you just have to dig a bit. It's there, below the surface, = kind of like a tuber.

3D":-)"PJ



-----= Original Message-----
From: Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@frontier.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:06 am
Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia


On Dec 7, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Kenn Lowy wrote:

> He does allow pictures now. The announcement that was made before =20
> the concert was "no cameras with flash". He's mellowed a bit.
>

I know he's revered here, but (I have to confess), he comes off as a =20
complete douche nozzle in just about every interview with him I've read.

Jeff
----------MB_8CD654208E0951D_13B4_DB27_webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 23:15:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A72AF18356F; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 23:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=KC9PcdFwVRYUl1MR3L8dDpTvZMkakisg/V7YeYKFrXQ=; b=rgunoiq/eobYshC6N09iT3oCK75O2D9Eval7cGsNGtRZF7cDb8a0UlqMGd2TCmrNp7 C/xr88EY7VCIWNrUP2yGPVUSMugH/K6yQGE7p/0BCpMBHnQrnMyZnExg7A9P8cLhN3v1 LIJnhGRqZujmO/Jd5SwL/AVhwXHW1qj7ADr7U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=Z38fnSUylqV+r7a8S6KDP3MIDWd3t7jekfPoo87CJuZtiOf9meOR25EEIRvBjwI1OZ XnH9PKeZbmD4mqC1s3/Fa7F3XrF6kyL6et09dE0PB8FdcvlD6dcnBx+bDTHw961AAR62 HbkOBl7Vbmi9CEZoqrk1CgH0GQfEdyznFX0hU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <8CD654208CFEB7D-13B4-5843@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> References: <20101208024909.3710418350C@hemlock.violacea.com> <16E5415A-7448-4C42-98F3-0B20F6BFE53F@me.com> <8BB3F9AC-F9B9-43F7-BD58-524FB9B0E173@frontier.com> <8CD654208CFEB7D-13B4-5843@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 00:14:47 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: s8pgN0mNg6nplvYx15_fZqmuruo Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e867abd7b660496ee4aa2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 23:15:08 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e867abd7b660496ee4aa2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ill be honest and say that I love No Pussyfooting, but consider it an Eno album... I love the 80=B4s red and decipline albums by KC, but consider the= m Belew and Levin albums, I love the crafty guitarist thing.. course hes got = a sense of humour, have you heard it? ... and I love that he is a pretensious grumpy fussy bugger who sits on his stool and looked like my old French teacher and I think its just plain odd who he married... But he=B4s Fripp for crying out loud! He can do what the fuck he wants... Now theres NOT many people that can say that! M --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e867abd7b660496ee4aa2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ill be honest and say that I love No Pussyfooting, but consider it an Eno a= lbum... I love the 80=B4s red and decipline albums by KC, but consider them= Belew and Levin albums, I love the crafty guitarist thing.. course hes got= a sense of humour, have you heard it? ...
and I love that he is a pretensious grumpy fussy bugger who sits on his sto= ol and looked like my old French teacher and I think its just plain odd who= he married...

But he=B4s Fripp for crying out loud! He can do what = the fuck he wants...

Now theres NOT many people that can say that!

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--90e6ba6e867abd7b660496ee4aa2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 8 23:28:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6707183575; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 23:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CMAIKYlNymp8AAUbsHuvgCVHv2zijpnnGa9viXmZWsM=; b=NIA1eo88GpZXfGG2KlcHgNoZ05Tpu4ao6GoVx8ns8BqMnqvmSHB5HnxO50yOzSS4Vv HeQL0WDftERbAHZn9Zk8odQmCZuPpmjwmCrW7FPPs7m+RhnZjPDCrF7fiBr438rdJAP0 d8lg0CwssLOiArNjTie/zDJTA3iMz5ss+LY5U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=blC2pnikRivl6Q1T59Q+CptIjLMwOazWXJAb96cNCnsP1z0WykqTiSDSCQa1zim71h Tl0EM9JhczznhKtnVXlX+VU81smBYFMzAaxbc+yZ9SQblOUQV/foOCvlx/05YI7ilP++ JLlcQMRjnjJF7j7xNrXXa6DiyOZ0Fmv+RVh+w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:28:18 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: OT: any Mackie Onyx i series mixer users here? From: Clifford Novey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65a0dfce74c5c0496ee791c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 23:28:20 +0000 (UTC) --0016e65a0dfce74c5c0496ee791c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am considering getting one (820i, 1220i, 1620i, 1640i) and am looking for first hand experience and I have a few questions. We can take it off list. C --0016e65a0dfce74c5c0496ee791c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am considering getting one (820i, 1220i, 1620i, 1640i) and am looking for first hand experience and I have a few questions. We can take it off list.
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--0016e65a0dfce74c5c0496ee791c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 00:18:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 099A418357B; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 00:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 769478.37576.bm@omp1017.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=AgOHieAE5odgcF/DVG2qv6jOFOQEmCipdvpKRN4BJxRJ1zIvpoyGc3nSgX4WLo2hb0O91PccKG8WCU0b6qNpiy+AuoWUwKGI/6A+IElycgY8Oqc0ncn9myibrgyTLldvJlN455AjRMMaNRhS1wpkScorGgLXfIvLeoakIb4gpCs= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1291853906; bh=bhNvFLOCKHft59MATxSrO8YKy4urqZH+sgdT2xOmR0U=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=vV1+SX9HQuoZZEdKS4MuBfX141kqhbJ4+us9xb4KePAhJTdU7iLVEtyUJhiuuZ0sKHQW1zQeInK8TSJPi9+aNjGDpQpzFGxYUqxPkdjU1wW0s5wRpg8ecCwSbKfCmzDdn+4JBnWZrdEP88lqWaMSpzFM+je9C+gQr15FDNz9pWs= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: 9cqjJK8VM1nOFfwNPPGDkVcXrVA3bBsyvlcRZGoxXU4SGT4 ZtqS2X4zfDkmLSNFAqoQLLwiNv52jCwryWfBqbQR0pyN3Pc.8GdXvOGXmBFX KysqZJfxveaRccl0BRO7xkqEiCL.mC2npPB0BRZ38qYyxocqOcO9pQSMT2sC Tk2Yj_zqpksSz91Va0DsAXkp0OUUDLcn.GTGlY75ehUIeIcXFmhD1ipH7Q7a 25v0yAFNjPQgOax5RBP1i616Iw3DAYo.FZddrOLG_KKa60xk2qN5Qy8gb3RS w1xIV_AVSo4phsnrvs3E- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20101208181513.288AC160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-30-14069714 Message-Id: <2509C648-85E8-4D4D-BE1B-470E5959D20B@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 00:18:02 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 00:18:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-30-14069714 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Um Exposure is one of my favorite albums - lots of invention there. Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 8 Dec 2010, at 22:48, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Per Boysen > wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:17 PM, mark francombe >> wrote: >>> dull as dishwater? >> >> >> LOL! Can't argue much about that but I at least know one exception >> from the dishwater standard, an album called Red. > > The Great Deceiver live box set might also clear your mind of the > dishwater impression, and I'd have a hard time with that impression > listening to his work with Eno (as partner and hired guitarist) and > Bowie. And then there's Discipline. > > And a bunch of other stuff on either side of that that may be all > right or may be dishwater depending on your mood. > > K > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to > have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all > trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > --Apple-Mail-30-14069714 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Um Exposure is one of my = favorite albums - lots of invention there.

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 8 Dec 2010, = at 22:48, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:
On Wed, Dec = 8, 2010 at 9:17 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> = wrote:
dull as = dishwater?


LOL! Can't argue much about that but I at least know = one exception
from the dishwater standard, an = album called Red.

The Great Deceiver live box set = might also clear your mind of the
dishwater = impression, and I'd have a hard time with that impression
listening to his work with Eno (as partner and hired = guitarist) and
Bowie.  And then there's = Discipline.

And a bunch of other stuff on either side of that = that may be all
right or may be dishwater = depending on your mood.

K
-- 
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the = body and to have a
form. That is the primal = ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana = Maharshi (1879-1950)
Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org

=

= --Apple-Mail-30-14069714-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 00:19:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 768E7183581; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 00:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 731653.34911.bm@omp1002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=Q+FE0jSsjqvVJJprV+LBheVemqO41ftFZX19tho4Xgl8bx7+DXCFybUkjQO2Kb9hIEo/vSQ2H2qPz7IvDthPEjHWQPqAXMvUtRCK1EwoBwMYYXhvGlqu/KeVI185Y+aibk7pTRBXfhbE2cLGTEpubnDJQbnY5xg8jder+FV08Pk= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1291853946; bh=yKGDNWzLv1VZNRSo3i0+sypK4eEjisToDnVXFnJZI0k=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=vF0dettr0JZrmHsbKL3393zlqqV1II2GkuNXrlKtsd/5j7f/l4gWd/ml/ojzspGf7gDjg+orBFbwvROE7sgEnA/X19oF0VOHT5JSpphgHObBUsaMIueIRySwWl15S9h0D0DCg2I0EG/3L/FwWe1kYI4Dg8yFff9QAK/qlS6YmXo= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: Pp_byQoVM1lLRhctYDx0n.WrHg6LmJnz5wzXzqxRYCY7Z3I jY4g5KWICEHZLunYAvh_yBwRVcp5xwFQYacdYyXv4Bcbmbtj_sif8B_kqVSV sThYmv3BeYiY55Xz85ik1nXI7iUqz.kgh6sLfAw84AEVwQ2aTF.FAdSB6hBN n2Mby59gFmMgYc2MxtVlxSCrX8PIIoJgAtVrxItG_uim47_P0S2hASxGP2gs wCa0TiTYa1hU9rdUvOMKhcHbtB5g1rnOhsmQcRtl0wxv7IDDWigVv.EzRaUv xEydj7Zk6Lvx7aCVcvV0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20101208024909.3710418350C@hemlock.violacea.com> <16E5415A-7448-4C42-98F3-0B20F6BFE53F@me.com> <8BB3F9AC-F9B9-43F7-BD58-524FB9B0E173@frontier.com> <8CD654208CFEB7D-13B4-5843@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-31-14109685 Message-Id: <51CA13CD-DB74-4401-B920-699666654C53@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 00:18:42 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 00:19:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-31-14109685 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Fripp is a very funny man - very dry and british Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 8 Dec 2010, at 23:14, mark francombe wrote: > Ill be honest and say that I love No Pussyfooting, but consider it =20 > an Eno album... I love the 80=B4s red and decipline albums by KC, but =20= > consider them Belew and Levin albums, I love the crafty guitarist =20 > thing.. course hes got a sense of humour, have you heard it? ... > and I love that he is a pretensious grumpy fussy bugger who sits on =20= > his stool and looked like my old French teacher and I think its =20 > just plain odd who he married... > > But he=B4s Fripp for crying out loud! He can do what the fuck he =20 > wants... > > Now theres NOT many people that can say that! > > M > > > --=20 > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-31-14109685 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fripp is a very funny man - very dry and british

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 8 Dec 2010, = at 23:14, mark francombe wrote:

Ill be = honest and say that I love No Pussyfooting, but consider it an Eno = album... I love the 80=B4s red and decipline albums by KC, but consider = them Belew and Levin albums, I love the crafty guitarist thing.. course = hes got a sense of humour, have you heard it? ...
and I love that he = is a pretensious grumpy fussy bugger who sits on his stool and looked = like my old French teacher and I think its just plain odd who he = married...

But he=B4s Fripp for crying out loud! He can do what = the fuck he wants...

Now theres NOT many people that can say = that!

M


--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

= --Apple-Mail-31-14109685-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 00:25:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D66A183585; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 00:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=g9V/gyj54fK2GPcZLR6gsi39Y10d74EUf3pLZiSnl80=; b=YErCXReritDvTRMuyeFthM3t41oAAewX6+SDo/rXa/RJUkpv1CSGxdFkPp0Wcr4ULU hTi/bAVEoyBJOMWAGDMmzzDivzfTyLRJk2W1l9QGMsZgf+6l2ProDemFMy3KS7q3Q+2N NtbqAKbJ+vJ+oSIe17ruZRzCMVwFdqBuFJZoM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=FaIWl8zHtnK0aBw6C9S13luB3mwJvJm+HmsZjg85+2zqDovyTxYdiLmb2DLavc1B9V +Cap0PaoWUhw41QD+dbWlYEvmGUxY+gvlLf/9nlT72lTA9eonVHvJ/r8NzKO8mAJbl5a SlZ5SSZ+qsh7CuN9zIPEmDR4xG465smR04mI8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <2509C648-85E8-4D4D-BE1B-470E5959D20B@btinternet.com> References: <20101208181513.288AC160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> <2509C648-85E8-4D4D-BE1B-470E5959D20B@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:25:00 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Clifford Novey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f450c2b7d4df0496ef445d Resent-Message-ID: <5U1ny.A.8CB.eHCANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 00:25:02 +0000 (UTC) --001485f450c2b7d4df0496ef445d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "Space is what I need, it's what I feed on" will have to pull that one out- been close to 2 decades since I've listened but I remem the title track well! cheers- C --001485f450c2b7d4df0496ef445d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 "Space is what I need, it's what I feed on"
will have to pull that one out- been close to 2 decades since I've listened but I remem the title track well!
cheers- C
--001485f450c2b7d4df0496ef445d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 01:02:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A189183519; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 01:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=pxmZPvfr18aon/UkXkw+Os2QbRxzLuclde/f6B2PUb4=; b=IsiJCvysdwDEjI4wefC3DsC9M4qrkpVD3zO4pkRZ11HxflIxyjoeXovQ5JKntflex7 9QYDQrAXQBogA3+F7kHH9Jhp1QROsa+c6fkSSdbS6JhmlJQRJiFy58CpEndRGuXVdL7U 6DzO3NyZixrUIvhpxG6b2lRVRSE/dLhXHMwrw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=qIZ62PIWAIiuS2xly0LLpP/9OxU/dq3AN2h7/KEFVhUt+4pSl0dzuj9lRudDQsWhsq ymc3pP6BdRWnIs6K5FSVaVFgI56L+vWuyU1gcKHWpohtPtM6qIjL4MwHqPq53fEka6p0 brAr/Vepe2sN6aoaW8yuLdBidWl3ITl+hEpvA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:02:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: semi-ot: pitch shifters From: james fowler To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd375925f58b80496efcaa1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 01:02:24 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd375925f58b80496efcaa1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey gang - below is a reply i got from stefan. anybody else care to chime in? - jim ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Stefan Tiedje Date: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:51 AM Subject: Re: max/msp vs. eventide To: james fowler Hi James, Am 08.12.10 15:04, schrieb james fowler: > i'm currently using an eventide eclipse and i'm finding that its > pitch shifters cannot keep up with the audio i'm feeding it. have > you found that you can build reliable and accurate shifters in > max/msp? i love the fidelity of eventide products but i have to get > rid of this eclipse and i'll move to either a bigger eventide or go > with something like max/msp. fwiw, i also use native instruments and > i should really look and see what reaktor can do in regards to > this... There is no such thing as an ideal pitch shifter for all purposes. In my own music, I am much more interested in structures (time and pitch) than in a specific "accuracy" of the shifts. There are basically 3 to 5 different approaches technically which you could use in Max/MSP. The most common one is granular pitch shifting, which is playing short grains of the original sound in varying speeds. This is the typical sound of "cheap" shifters. I actually use that sort of shifting mostly, for two reasons. First I do like the artifacts and it can be set in a way to be rhythmically more or less precise. In Max you always have access to the small details of such a process (grain size and envelopes come to mind). Then there is a fft based method coming with Max with less control of the detail, as it is within an external, but with very good results for sustained sounds (ideal for cello or sustained guitar...). And there are two different commercial externals, one is the same pitchshifting/timestretching method used in Ableton Live and most of the other sequencers and tools. That external will cost the enormous amount of 20$ I think. The same programmers also made their own algorithm, which might be a better sounding granular approach, but that is speculation and solely out of my listening imagination. And last but not least, I always wanted to create a sort of very long grain looper, which instead of using grains in the range of 50 ms, use complete phrases, and break them up at silent parts. This would of course scramble the time structure significantly, but would be as clean as the good old varispeed... This last idea is still on my to do list though... But maybe you get an idea why Max/MSP is so intriguing as a tool for me, there is no technical limitation for your imagination. If you don't like the way it sounds, you analyze why and whats missing, and then start to invent those missing parts. You are completely free to define your user interface yourself and fit it to your personal needs and ways of playing... Cooking yourself is always better and more fun than heating up pre-cooked dishes, even better than going to a gourmet restaurant (like your eclipse). Though from time to time its also nice to know that terrible expensive cook, he will widen your perspective as well...;-) This is a long reply now, maybe you want to share it to the list as well?...;-) All the best, Stefan -- Les Ondes M=E9morielles--------x-- -_____-----------|-----------|-- -(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- - _|_)----|-----()-------------- ---------()----------TJ Shredder http://tjshredder.wordpress.com/ --000e0cd375925f58b80496efcaa1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey gang -

below is a reply i got from stefan.=A0 anybody else care = to chime in?

- jim

---------- Forw= arded message ----------
From: Stefan Tied= je <Stefan= -Tiedje@gmx.de>
Date: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: max/msp vs. eventide
= To: james fowler <twostroke@gmail= .com>


Hi James,

Am 08.12.10 15:04, schrieb james fowler:
> i'm currently using an eventide eclipse and i= 9;m finding that its
> pitch shifters cannot keep up with the audio i'm feeding it. =A0ha= ve
> you found that you can build reliable and accurate shifters in
> max/msp? =A0i love the fidelity of eventide products but i have to get=
> rid of this eclipse and i'll move to either a bigger eventide or g= o
> with something like max/msp. =A0fwiw, i also use native instruments an= d
> i should really look and see what reaktor can do in regards to
> this...

There is no such thing as an ideal pitch shifter for all purposes. In= my
own music, I am much more interested in structures (time and pitch) than in a specific "accuracy" of the shifts. There are basically 3 to = 5
different approaches technically which you could use in Max/MSP. The
most common one is granular pitch shifting, which is playing short
grains of the original sound in varying speeds. This is the typical
sound of "cheap" shifters. I actually use that sort of shifting m= ostly,
for two reasons. First I do like the artifacts and it can be set in a
way to be rhythmically more or less precise. In Max you always have
access to the small details of such a process (grain size and envelopes
come to mind).
Then there is a fft based method coming with Max with less control of
the detail, as it is within an external, but with very good results for
sustained sounds (ideal for cello or sustained guitar...).
And there are two different commercial externals, one is the same
pitchshifting/timestretching method used in Ableton Live and most of the other sequencers and tools. That external will cost the enormous amount
of 20$ I think. The same programmers also made their own algorithm,
which might be a better sounding granular approach, but that is
speculation and solely out of my listening imagination.
And last but not least, I always wanted to create a sort of very long
grain looper, which instead of using grains in the range of 50 ms, use
complete phrases, and break them up at silent parts. This would of
course scramble the time structure significantly, but would be as clean
as the good old varispeed...
This last idea is still on my to do list though...

But maybe you get an idea why Max/MSP is so intriguing as a tool for me, there is no technical limitation for your imagination. If you don't lik= e
the way it sounds, you analyze why and whats missing, and then start to
invent those missing parts. You are completely free to define your user
interface yourself and fit it to your personal needs and ways of playing...=

Cooking yourself is always better and more fun than heating up
pre-cooked dishes, even better than going to a gourmet restaurant (like
your eclipse). Though from time to time its also nice to know that
terrible expensive cook, he will widen your perspective as well...;-)

This is a long reply now, maybe you want to share it to the list as
well?...;-)

All the best,

Stefan

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--000e0cd375925f58b80496efcaa1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 02:21:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A2DF1834FE; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 02:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8D727BE4-097E-42E8-B3C4-B08FED0C5A0C@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-21479670 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: RE: Fripper Gear Trivia Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:21:32 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 02:21:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-21479670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Jealousy is a terrible thing Bill ;-)" I would love to own one eventide signal processor. just one, and It would be an eclipse but it won't happen anytime soon :-) Of course I have a bit of gear envy. Doesn't everyone? I don't really begrudge Mister Fripp his tools, he's earned them or gets them. The few times I've been given stuff by manufacturers, I haven't exactly said no....... and who knows for sure, perhaps Eventide saw this as a big photo op gig and provided all the gear, perhaps he rented it from SIR? And also I realize as successful as he has been, he may still be needing to work and that a lot of musicians of that level of fame aren't exactly able to sit back and enjoy the good life like we all imagine they do. I do feel like western culture particularly here in America has gotten far too materialistic, and I'm just as guilty as the next person of desiring more and better tools, so Robert if you are reading this, its not you I'm railing against, its the wide spread greed in western civilization. Bobby Baby i'm not hate'n the player, i'm hate'n the Game! So gimme one of those Goddamn ultra harmonizers will ya????????? Bill --Apple-Mail-2-21479670 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Jealousy is a terrible = thing Bill ;-)"
I = would love to own one eventide signal processor. just one, and  It = would be an eclipse but it won't happen anytime soon = :-) 
Of course I have a bit of gear = envy. Doesn't everyone?  I don't really begrudge Mister Fripp his = tools, he's  earned them or gets them.
 The few times = I've been given stuff by manufacturers, I haven't exactly said no....... = and who knows for sure, perhaps Eventide saw this as a big photo op gig = and provided all the gear, perhaps he rented it from SIR? And also I = realize as successful as he has been, he may still be needing to work = and that a lot of musicians of that level of fame aren't exactly able to = sit back and enjoy the good life like we all imagine they do. I do feel = like western culture particularly here in America has gotten far too = materialistic, and I'm just as guilty as the next person of desiring = more and better tools, so Robert if you are reading this, its not you = I'm railing against, its the wide spread greed in western civilization. = Bobby Baby i'm not hate'n the player, i'm hate'n the Game!  So = gimme one of those Goddamn ultra harmonizers will = ya?????????
X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13C4C183503; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 03:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1291866926; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=K/Jls6HMrDGFpD1WghAVeNiESQE=; b=DlrjhFBEAiEHHgt+6WJNY+B/YWEiCVQhC/ni4gQ31CnHicKBLlMnCSBSr7AbTGTy hHSAIpOZd57YMHyseFIZIzNAVBP7XcmcVSzPyBji1+Lj5fUds/HsYSiyjMakcjbn; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=X8ZSGyLQdBYsiyM9pz72zXskH1tPQcce8bb8A4qfzkE= c=1 sm=0 a=P72pG6yUKeYA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=s5RyjbmU7QgzvZ7DFu8A:9 a=kiEeTsSPuff8sQcDX1YS-9gTZEsA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Hhc/OnKmOS1xKI2oHPQhqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:55:26 -0500 (EST) From: EDWARD YUHAS Cc: Loopers-Delight Message-ID: <1086691633.111397.1291866926614.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [70.88.44.97] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2213.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.5_GA_2213.RHEL4_64) Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 03:55:27 +0000 (UTC) >>>LOL! Can't argue much about that but I at least know one exception from the dishwater standard, an album called Red. Funny you should mention "Red", Per...this is also a favorite of mine... And I was there for all 4 Soundscapes performances last weekend; in at least three performances, he looped some dark, droning notes and soloed over and around them with the famous lick from 'Starless', which we all know is from the "Red" album. Very nice, indeed... For the record, I have no qualms with Fripp...I love much of what he's done as a performer...from the opening notes of ITCOTCK right on up through these last Soundscapes performances...only once have I walked out on him...LOL One time he was playng IMAC out on Long Island, here in the good old USA. That night, he just couldn't inspire and/or connect and so I went! Typically not like me to do that, but hey... Edward Yuhas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 04:03:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C80B81834FE; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 04:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 159285.24559.bm@omp1023.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-SMTP: WNLkdCGswBAwditrv9xoIHkOU0MBqi2PSI_gkw-- X-YMail-OSG: yW_pbSgVM1m7IqwehFh4wjk.XN8oW.ypr.saAcR1IxfJrGu pUYMC1lLeSJaWv4uPaQx44OXJGBRdKoPWPOzeJ5G9alrap.ByHgqYEA9Bjh8 ABMoLSD.JtH_BcWyXm2emILSiviM.CFHefYmQ428iZhVlyL__U.8AnMW4G0R .8kFP4yjezsHIuEOK6jFxHjX0aeTzYpwdqhOD1GDW0RdCgEWTycaRhyvFgdO OEIJHE8wh2UxuLXfCM7Baxm5TaOjirQ2Gkq5iibUOXVM3HbxGWBBHT5hWFGF Fm_x4eKdFdNPc5hTl8kgz3o2nnmZAiQKjIcyBNYwoQ03Fuw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: References: <1031154904.432082.1291819953695.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1031154904.432082.1291819953695.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: RE: USB drives me nuts Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 23:03:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000101cb9756$1a44f6e0$4ecee4a0$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01CB972C.31715FE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLANfa6dbNovezGyHiYm3LdnwWXpJGuP/YQ Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 04:03:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CB972C.31715FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With MIDI devices the rule is to try to always plug them into the same = USB port. In XP, anyway, there are a limited number (eleven, I think it = was) of MIDI ports available and if you plug the same device into two = different USB ports at different times it will wind up having two MIDI = ports assigned to it, one to each USB port. =20 It appears that this problem was fixed in Windows XP SP3. At least I = haven=E2=80=99t encountered it since installing SP3. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CB972C.31715FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

W= ith MIDI devices the rule is to try to always plug them into the same = USB port.  In XP, anyway, there are a limited number (eleven, I = think it was) of MIDI ports available and if you plug the same device = into two different USB ports at different times it will wind up having = two MIDI ports assigned to it, one to each USB = port.

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It appears = that this problem was fixed in Windows XP SP3.=C2=A0 At least I = haven=E2=80=99t encountered it since installing = SP3.

 

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01CB972C.31715FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 06:47:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD38418350C; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 06:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D007B5E.4080605@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:46:54 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Stefan Tiedje , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: OT: French composers are leaving France for the US? References: <4CFFEDE2.8030707@virgin.net> In-Reply-To: <4CFFEDE2.8030707@virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 06:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Stefan wrote: > > I had also different experiences in the country side. Local majors are > proud of having artists present their work in their town. They wouldn't > be able to pull out as much nowadays, but the spirit is very different > to Paris and its surrounding areas. Its not like two different > countries, its like two different planets... > Yeah, Stefan, that has always astonished me. When I toured and performed in Paris in the late 90s it had the reputation as Paris, Africa (I believe there are 2 million Arabs from North Africa living in Paris alone) and yet I was told that they had never had a large scale Pan African Music Festival (as we have had twice in Santa Cruz of all places with it's 50,000 person population). I've always been astonished that there seems to be very little going on in Paris in the musical scenes I'm interested in (abstract electronic, world fusion, experimental music, et. al.) at least in terms of official venues or festivals and yet there are obviously a lot of great Parisian artists. Of course, I do NOT live there so it's very possible that I was just out of the loop but I looked a lot because I was there a lot (we always flew in and out of Paris for our French tours with Bob Brozman). And yet, I love Paris, dearly. I don't even mind paying the $7 for a capuccino on the banks of the Seine.............lol Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 06:51:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56954183516; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 06:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D007C72.9000100@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:51:30 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark francombe CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 06:51:38 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Ill be honest and say that I love No Pussyfooting, but consider it an > Eno album... Yeah, but am I the only person who thinks that 'Evening Star' is the better album of the two? People constantly name check 'No Pussyfooting' (which does have the bitchenist album cover art) but I think Evening Star is a lot more musical. Though definitely in the Eno world, I hear it as completely collaborative..... each part adding equally. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 07:19:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3A1B18350C; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EX4YSqg6c7E4St1wd5cMiRiPAK3NUkd4xuW5IvgsN5g=; b=PFxhA+GNgn4IjkCHrb/BMMyLuM6v5MUO/v5MR/fNzbHLU7PL9JpBJ8B0x/OQ4uvuaP K+oJij4BvsCOM2I6vOjDMHddKCl/PQN3LWoPus8lno7vZ1TimZdUZAIVgfHqh0SUB65W cuqYuP1c9+GCwezbWcbWEU/dLBodLhGupCpmY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ozC57GrEyQ76CMWraaU+o6jK+eOAeEgXLEcvHES8iDm4emQNfLjojGnUBCa/Ia3qcL WFzm+HK0a9pq3gEqYhowKhhYkPm50384TRw9hBSygodjR65Gm90CuxQgDcjvIo11uqTk hyM3vp/NKwNT9PlNQYq7sSWygE0B3+omeaO6o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D007C72.9000100@cruzio.com> References: <4D007C72.9000100@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:19:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ee07c70f81f0496f50d75 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:19:04 +0000 (UTC) --0016364ee07c70f81f0496f50d75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 ES 2010/12/9 Rick Walker > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: > >> Ill be honest and say that I love No Pussyfooting, but consider it an En= o >> album... >> > Yeah, but am I the only person who thinks that 'Evening Star' is the > better album > of the two? People constantly name check 'No Pussyfooting' (which > does have > the bitchenist album cover art) but I think Evening Star is a lot more > musical. > > Though definitely in the Eno world, I hear it as completely > collaborative..... > each part adding equally. > > rick walker > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminad= a, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta q= ue ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!, no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com --0016364ee07c70f81f0496f50d75 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 ES

2010/12/9 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>=
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote:
Ill be honest and say that I love No Pussyfooting, but consider it an Eno a= lbum...
Yeah, =A0 but am I the only person who thinks that 'Evening Star' i= s the better album
of the two? =A0 =A0 =A0 People constantly name check 'No Pussyfooting&#= 39; (which does have
the bitchenist album cover art) but I think Evening Star is a lot more musi= cal.

Though definitely in the Eno world, =A0I hear it as completely collaborativ= e.....
each part adding equally.

rick walker




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I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava = il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m= =E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!,= no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? "=

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--0016364ee07c70f81f0496f50d75-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 07:38:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4D99183516; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hBFgyZrc2UGFiOTxmEo4x+oImcO2zzPRLRoI+7QQJt8=; b=LFf1qLSsqmyeG0pH9x2mYvdTuHOU/cmefSmy8IBPQiQaJxqrJPHe0q7AChc7vGHhyp UjTavEOWjxYH+LGKMXdXq54tbEskkB0r328IKMbQWCm6qJ/JUpRBwmIevqKfNBIQkNuH 27XAyt2h6ADwe+lUI85l9aJitEJ3M8WXPfcLU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=d0BfRMpS7z5yjEn1dlFCuWb/ZxwH5Xbrg5FxDT1LYElMLz4YA7hImOl+lC+rfOhLot UjRMHtdtX+o/ha5tNL/QkeG0qPwuWE6Dqazunr6r4fFZ7WT+hFR3V2ubZIobqSRqe+0W rrqp0ZIIFs4EOO43llPn/yYYM/xIYd7oiZ3iY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8D727BE4-097E-42E8-B3C4-B08FED0C5A0C@baymoon.com> References: <8D727BE4-097E-42E8-B3C4-B08FED0C5A0C@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:38:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d968ce4ec4740496f551d4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:38:04 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d968ce4ec4740496f551d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Bill some people here think i also carry too much gear because i have a= n M9 and a harmony G velcroed on a pedalboard;-) look at this ol bastards as well: http://petecornish.co.uk/D.Gilmour_Pink%20Floyd%20%2794.jpg http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=3Dhttp://playitloud.de/effects/edge_rack= _elevation_rack_gear.jpg&imgrefurl=3Dhttp://playitloud.de/effects/TC2290.ht= m&usg=3D__y_GhYqKmKYTIyKRTvjI5edCUcik=3D&h=3D637&w=3D795&sz=3D241&hl=3Dde&s= tart=3D5&sig2=3DNvXlWUnnVoqU0DojfhupLA&zoom=3D1&itbs=3D1&tbnid=3DeKYh58zYhj= oSoM:&tbnh=3D115&tbnw=3D143&prev=3D/images%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bedge%2Beffect%2Brack= %26hl%3Dde%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=3DrIUATeSzDMLysgb17oH1Dg if u ask me why they do this cause they are too rich and too old and set in their ways no matter what you re not gonna get them to use guitar rig and loop with mobius on a macbook;-) Luis On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:21 AM, William Walker wrot= e: > "Jealousy is a terrible thing Bill ;-)" > > > I would love to own one eventide signal processor. just one, and It woul= d > be an eclipse but it won't happen anytime soon :-) > Of course I have a bit of gear envy. Doesn't everyone? I don't really > begrudge Mister Fripp his tools, he's earned them or gets them. > The few times I've been given stuff by manufacturers, I haven't exactly > said no....... and who knows for sure, perhaps Eventide saw this as a big > photo op gig and provided all the gear, perhaps he rented it from SIR? An= d > also I realize as successful as he has been, he may still be needing to w= ork > and that a lot of musicians of that level of fame aren't exactly able to = sit > back and enjoy the good life like we all imagine they do. I do feel like > western culture particularly here in America has gotten far too > materialistic, and I'm just as guilty as the next person of desiring more > and better tools, so Robert if you are reading this, its not you I'm rail= ing > against, its the wide spread greed in western civilization. Bobby Baby i'= m > not hate'n the player, i'm hate'n the Game! So gimme one of those Goddam= n > ultra harmonizers will ya????????? > Bill > --0016e6d968ce4ec4740496f551d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Bill some people here think i also carry too much gear because i have a= n M9 and a harmony G velcroed on a pedalboard;-)

look at this ol bas= tards as well:

http://petecornish.co.uk/D.Gilmour_Pink%20Floyd%20%2794.= jpg

http://www.google.= de/imgres?imgurl=3Dhttp://playitloud.de/effects/edge_rack_elevation_rack_ge= ar.jpg&imgrefurl=3Dhttp://playitloud.de/effects/TC2290.htm&usg=3D__= y_GhYqKmKYTIyKRTvjI5edCUcik=3D&h=3D637&w=3D795&sz=3D241&hl= =3Dde&start=3D5&sig2=3DNvXlWUnnVoqU0DojfhupLA&zoom=3D1&itbs= =3D1&tbnid=3DeKYh58zYhjoSoM:&tbnh=3D115&tbnw=3D143&prev=3D/= images%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bedge%2Beffect%2Brack%26hl%3Dde%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=3Dr= IUATeSzDMLysgb17oH1Dg

if u ask me why they do this cause they are too rich and too old and se= t in their ways
no matter what you re not gonna get them to use guitar r= ig and loop with mobius on a macbook;-)
Luis



On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:21 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> w= rote:
"Jealousy is a terrible thing Bill = ;-)"
=
I would love to own one eventide signal processor. just one= , and =A0It would be an eclipse but it won't happen anytime soon :-)=A0=
Of c= ourse I have a bit of gear envy.=A0Doesn't everyone? =A0I don'= t really begrudge Mister Fripp his tools, he's =A0earned them or gets t= hem.
=A0The few times= I've been given stuff by manufacturers, I haven't exactly said no.= ...... and who knows for sure, perhaps Eventide saw this as a big photo op = gig and provided all the gear, perhaps he rented it from SIR? And also I re= alize as successful as he has been, he may still be needing to work and tha= t a lot of musicians of that level of fame aren't exactly able to sit b= ack and enjoy the good life like we all imagine they do. I do feel like wes= tern culture particularly here in America has gotten far too materialistic,= and I'm just as guilty as the next person of desiring more and better = tools, so Robert if you are reading this, its not you I'm railing again= st, its the wide spread greed in western civilization. Bobby Baby i'm n= ot hate'n the player, i'm hate'n the Game! =A0So gimme one of t= hose Goddamn ultra harmonizers will ya?????????
Bill

--0016e6d968ce4ec4740496f551d4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 07:42:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C6AA183524; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <000101cb9756$1a44f6e0$4ecee4a0$@acm.org> Subject: RE: USB drives me nuts Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:42:22 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01CB977D.00103740" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000101cb9756$1a44f6e0$4ecee4a0$@acm.org> Thread-Index: AcuXdBFEi1QOxQfxSBGK96VQBPn14AAAHcyw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.4.122; VDF: 7.10.14.220) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:42:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CB977D.00103740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It appears that this problem was fixed in Windows XP SP3. At least I haven't encountered it since installing SP3. then it was re-introduced in Vista. -m ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CB977D.00103740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 > It appears that this problem = was fixed=20 in Windows XP SP3.  At least I haven’t encountered it since = installing=20 SP3. 
 
then it was=20 re-introduced in Vista.
 
-m 
------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CB977D.00103740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 08:24:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04B0A183521; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=50QBYQGrklJdbBx5ijz//pBKV+Q5AzvRvkBe/3u1IJQ=; b=Un3+7n752aAd1+JYBrVXriDZRoEsKF98iqORo2EHk6ugm6lEmiWwSZXRTOpyLP0XJn JWr6jrx4RMSN1iGJrcQrbZle21bOL+ptvZi0E0z/l/8dM0NRnZmw2aygutawIDzh5G3c sCbd9vJ+DScvD5JQtBzEUW9uwcgMfTZ4V5kGk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mFPNupkbQ2yIAg5+bwIJb8msFDlvzkrdmmZoHCemdF1JyHKrj2vcH/BCdNWfbCOquJ ewxR8PGs0SU9OMzxZpQuy4cP53wZ7eJB1MggkkAH2K4q47+MbFbrMRVI8eM/t6ehos1C iZ026u+bcb/P0Hc3VUqAERERjQePYyUzNOAnc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D007B5E.4080605@cruzio.com> References: <4CFFEDE2.8030707@virgin.net> <4D007B5E.4080605@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:24:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: OT: French composers are leaving France for the US? From: andy soto To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e649da648ca9090496f5f8dd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:24:49 +0000 (UTC) --0016e649da648ca9090496f5f8dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, Paris seems so interesting...when you don't live here! The music scene here is pretty much a "pastiche" of what's trendy in the english speaking countries, we have major acts wich are french versions of whats hip in the States or England. Yes, there is a lot of support from the goverment to produce culture,art, music and what not, but as an artist,the MEANS to get to that support is so complicated and esotheric that there are 2 types of creatives in this country: the goverment sponsored and the rest of us. There is little or NO alternative scene going on here in Paris, and in the rest of the country there are isolated acts here and there but very little gatherings or festivals. Oh, of course there are huge festivals in France, but they line up big "alternative" American acts. Andy On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Stefan wrote: > >> >> I had also different experiences in the country side. Local majors are >> proud of having artists present their work in their town. They wouldn't >> be able to pull out as much nowadays, but the spirit is very different >> to Paris and its surrounding areas. Its not like two different >> countries, its like two different planets... >> >> Yeah, Stefan, that has always astonished me. When I toured and > performed > in Paris in the late 90s it had the reputation as Paris, Africa (I believe > there are > 2 million Arabs from North Africa living in Paris alone) and yet I was > told > that they had never had a large scale Pan African Music Festival (as we > have > had twice in Santa Cruz of all places with it's 50,000 person population). > > I've always been astonished that there seems to be very little going on in > Paris in the musical scenes I'm interested in (abstract electronic, world > fusion, > experimental music, et. al.) at least in terms of official venues or > festivals > and yet there are obviously a lot of great Parisian artists. > > Of course, I do NOT live there so it's very possible that I was just out of > the loop > but I looked a lot because I was there a lot (we always flew in and out of > Paris > for our French tours with Bob Brozman). > > And yet, I love Paris, dearly. I don't even mind paying the $7 for > a capuccino on the banks of the Seine.............lol > > Rick Walker > > --0016e649da648ca9090496f5f8dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0Yeah, Paris seems so interesting...when you don't live here!
=
=A0The music scene here is pretty much a "pastiche" of what&#= 39;s trendy in the english speaking countries, we have major acts wich are = french versions of whats hip in the States or England.

=A0Yes, there is a lot of support from the goverment to produce culture= ,art, music and what not, but as an artist,the MEANS to get to that support= is so complicated and esotheric that there are 2 types of creatives in thi= s country: the goverment sponsored and the rest of us.

=A0There is little or NO alternative scene going on here in Paris, and = in the rest of the country there are isolated acts here and there but very = little gatherings or festivals.

=A0Oh, of course there are huge fest= ivals in France, but they line up big "alternative" American acts= .
=A0
Andy

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:46 A= M, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Stefan wrote:

I had also different experiences in the country side. Local majors are
proud of having artists present their work in their town. They wouldn't=
be able to pull out as much nowadays, but the spirit is very different
to Paris and its surrounding areas. Its not like two different
countries, its like two different planets...

Yeah, Stefan, =A0that has always astonished me. =A0 When I toured and perfo= rmed
in Paris in the late 90s it had the reputation as Paris, Africa (I believe = there are
2 million Arabs from North Africa living in Paris alone) =A0and yet I was t= old
that they had never had a large scale Pan African Music Festival (as we hav= e
had twice in Santa Cruz of all places with it's 50,000 person populatio= n).

I've always been astonished that there seems to be very little going on= in
Paris in the musical scenes I'm interested in (abstract electronic, wor= ld fusion,
experimental music, et. al.) at least in terms of official venues or festiv= als
and yet there are obviously a lot of great Parisian artists.

Of course, I do NOT live there so it's very possible that I was just ou= t of the loop
but I looked a lot because I was there a lot (we always flew in and out of = Paris
for our French tours with Bob Brozman).

And yet, =A0I love Paris, dearly. =A0 =A0 =A0I don't even mind paying t= he $7 for
a capuccino on the banks of the Seine.............lol

Rick Walker


--0016e649da648ca9090496f5f8dd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 08:30:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AC23183528; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:references:from:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8kKkwXo7Iqpxy+c6WWho3rB06oYNY1B3WDdALLHfBIs=; b=w38vHEmdlNHceR9CzCs1aL4luphqUijMhabMGTXBp/Ax1LAcsNX6IjyOhSxoJFijaY qtazsD8yr+tYDu8m6D8FvBAR7GnhBvx7sc4LvgpxzGNAML/76/9bst7h7J352BX/bt8e fsEAUhlrnsnHxludhGETiFamQgWikhqNvLID8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=u9kDMSGcUZMqXJJ4u9/a5eyaUeNBO8yvXjtUvbYT0iMyXLJjgjpwW3BH07jis6ZRiZ Pf1ynbF1EEsuFCP++26raBKsNDa6ca6/ArH/KJVAXGYIAu1LcOpS79z5s40aUBp753ZL 7SRsi+V6S5Qfm/iUNG0ufI0le50w4F04loF+o= References: <4D007C72.9000100@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <4D007C72.9000100@cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:31:41 +0100 Message-ID: <4402482061497082339@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Hurrah! We disagree in something Rick!!! I love no pussyfooting cos of the whole package.. The cover... The track titles(swastica girls for christ sake) It's Not a new agey sounding. It's got that vcs3 band pass vcf sequencer thing.. It's got harsh interjection from mr fripp (as he adds interesting stuff to enos album) the whole thing laughs in the face of the drippy stoners who sat about in bedsits smokin' . It's ambient with an edge... The likes of which was never to be heard until after the 80s with some ambient glitch. Evening star????? Thats just some yoga background music... I know this cos my yoga teacher plays it!!! Om Manipudmi hum... =E2=99=A5 =E2=98=AE =E2=98=A0 Mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 9 Dec 2010, at 07:51, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: >> Ill be honest and say that I love No Pussyfooting, but consider it an En= o album... > Yeah, but am I the only person who thinks that 'Evening Star' is the be= tter album > of the two? People constantly name check 'No Pussyfooting' (which d= oes have > the bitchenist album cover art) but I think Evening Star is a lot more mu= sical. > > Though definitely in the Eno world, I hear it as completely collaborativ= e..... > each part adding equally. > > rick walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 11:52:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FB5D183528; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 11:52:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MQ87SOIYqIIaGlS/el3EGE7ij5krUDY/k8Bz3VmapFc=; b=yGuFRaGpLpDEpaz21Q6qCQ69i11evfxNVjeREKdu4N7xEqnHN8C2A69LbwXkj8pAJK 0AnnsH+n7sdtCrzpZ/l/TOEAv79DazgqwM+LGJmh7j0s7ZGqjL24exT9pxHhUGPxaCf6 Zb7vTDSdr11vh0WhrOkcb8Ym2WGFuGzwl3DH4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=a2C9f5vvUAoseVGSKvlYA7En20nS6iLTuimORVLI8ijyLZvS7WjlrXwgldvkgubvdF 9scDks//tskzfZUiCdrCXbPBR0YRQtx4FlxbucdqXhx7pAM4acBrG5MguLvckOw+3At0 A4XnklKSewSyMV+kjFYWCuuaaJuKlmJat6vRI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <000101cb9756$1a44f6e0$4ecee4a0$@acm.org> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 12:52:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: USB drives me nuts From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <77JZ0C.A.RDE.qLMANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 11:52:10 +0000 (UTC) I'm wondering if you guys aren't talking about the infamous IRQ conflict issue? If you are unlucky to get the IRQs distributed in a way that doesn't match the music hardware you intend to use with the Windows laptop I remember there should be a way to reinitialize the IRQs. "Google it" to find the fix if you need to. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > =C2=A0>=C2=A0It appears that this problem was fixed in Windows XP SP3.=C2= =A0 At least I > haven=E2=80=99t encountered it since installing SP3. > > then it was re-introduced in Vista. > > -m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 12:35:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0137183528; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 12:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=5CX7PLKJdM9uDCUwlNIqGgAOuBTSLx4cp0UFDYCsXoE=; b=dfHXQelbKGo8OigZm58W+W7vcmjGM4+ZnponOaqPlK9az/zK230NeOH5mbOq2aNQxD C/qxbrwXjm76XIy5XRTSTbfEy6Q9T1+faUHv9OxubRkWkSmVSpDC989ZvQl1fkkbCtID ++uBE8735qYwg68uH3W7gMuLMLjPfdfrf/t3A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=VgLzoMXtbEyYuhppUMOdBsgrF5yJS7QzwzbaM7yIFByOSUMm/48cbE7PZLfTGys8TI TDGx8DDr1VcrwNTygdIyaHDsfw/BarqXl2B4qTQllKR+mrgVZ5Fa5HBHIlje4SwlDPYt I2k3u1bhUfKMgWmLpLVfo4QBoy4jePNDceEwA= MIME-Version: 1.0 From: todd reynolds Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:35:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: max/msp vs. eventide To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a4c559627c0496f97a85 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 12:35:52 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a4c559627c0496f97a85 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Gents. Nice encapsulation of the Max/MSP pitch-shifting world, Stefan! It's been my experience that the computer just cannot process fast enough yet to do real-time Pitch-Shifting, fft or otherwise. I still use only my Eventide Orville when I really need that, and it works fine, though I still 'feel' the tiniest bit of latency. I have no experience with the Eclipse, though our good friend Erdem does. However, I just recently purchased an Eventide Pitch Factor because I just can't travel with that Orville anymore, and I am very pleasantly surprised. It's solved all my issues and is in general a great box. That said, I know that in the Max/MSP world algorithms are in continual process and I'd not be surprised if real good shifting comes into being relatively soon. As it is, Puremagnetik has written some Max for Live patches which include a real time pitch shifter which, if you're into a slightly colored sound, doesn't work bad at all, in fact, it sounds pretty interesting! (that whole M4L pack is worth my investment, not bad, $40 bucks.) I hope that contributes something to the conversation! Cheers, everyone. --20cf3054a4c559627c0496f97a85 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gents.

Nice encapsulation of the Max/MSP pitch-shifting world,= Stefan! =A0

It's been my experience that the = computer just cannot process fast enough yet to do real-time Pitch-Shifting= , fft or otherwise. =A0I still use only my Eventide Orville when I really n= eed that, and it works fine, though I still 'feel' the tiniest bit = of latency. =A0I have no experience with the Eclipse, though our good frien= d Erdem does.

However, I just recently purchased an Eventide Pitch Fa= ctor because I just can't travel with that Orville anymore, and I am ve= ry pleasantly surprised. =A0It's solved all my issues and is in general= a great box.=A0

That said, I know that in the Max/MSP world algorithms = are in continual process and I'd not be surprised if real good shifting= comes into being relatively soon. =A0As it is, Puremagnetik has written so= me Max for Live patches which include a real time pitch shifter which, if y= ou're into a slightly colored sound, doesn't work bad at all, in fa= ct, it sounds pretty interesting! =A0(that whole M4L pack is worth my inves= tment, not bad, $40 bucks.)

I hope that contributes something to the conversation! = =A0Cheers, everyone.=A0


--20cf3054a4c559627c0496f97a85-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 13:12:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 250F818352E; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D00D5CA.8080108@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 05:12:42 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Criteria for Creating New Instruments on pad and phone technology Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7VLxq.A.YPG.SXNANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Bill Putnam forwarded this thoughtful video of list of things that an iPhone/Touch/Pad or equivalent technology should have in order to be considered a serious instrument. I have to say I agreed with almost everything this guys said. I am brand new to the iTouch technology and have had some great excitement about it's potential and also a lot of strong skepticism about it's growing ubiquity. Your thoughts? rick walker ps though this is off topic, I do believe this new technology platform and it's ubiquity due to it's pretty amazingly cheap price (at least the apps one buys) has huge implications in live looping performances potentially. I'm beta testing a device now, as an example that will allow me to use an iTouch to control my Looperlative (or any midi instrument) as an example remotely using wireless technology. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 13:14:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 906A5183533; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=T8F0qHX/SwOy/1gIgfbpqkrG1kcSqpCyjB8Os2UeGGs=; b=pilJ4T2KLo6+tAL0win5cdFAa0c5I/aVNWmimaL34skXJfPprcqn1XgVGRLQfy20Dk u1H85+wRfYDA3l+iDhTB4ggOA7DMAWzCh04b/MeYEy7GoGm20UXl0fbkea5VXbuVCSnV bu4dgYL9o4xgGS+gwSFXZroFuDueVNdVt2MxM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=d9MXL0ThRsbxNd8zovM4UX6+HgJdK1xNEfX1hnM+1+MXNMrI2Tkc1WEappZdl3nOqB KP/oHQgQcw6Ldm7ftWeHDOXULPnKdB0yuNvBRF9UWgqaXXHmPlzo9+m+lB25nwiQi6Dy YGWkP3g6S7o9o1C8kRkKugQvKljwEpV3tA0Zc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:14:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: semi-ot: pitch shifters From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:14:11 +0000 (UTC) I think your questions are a bit too vague to be correctly answered, even though Stefan gave a good Max/MSP introduction as usual ;-). For example you are not telling us what you mean by your Eclipse "can't keep up with the audio". It is also not clear what you mean by pitch shifting not being "reliable and accurate". There might be issues with playing chords into a pitch shifter... Also pitch shifting accuracy depends on the frequency, if you are shifting a high or low not and if you are transposing audio up or down in pitch. A qualified guess would be that you are talking about live audio? (as opposed to audio being recorded into RAM or elsewhere before pitch transformed). I can't comment on Stefan's reply but I would like to point out that instant pitch shifting is not physically possible in a real-time live input signal. It is indeed possible with plugins that manipulate the playback of an already recorded audio file on a computer's drive, but then the software is working with preview calculation as the trick to get to it right on time. In the real-time world a calculation has to be performed a little bit "too late" for what is musically correct. Maybe this is what you man by "not accurate"? For pitching a signal without using the dry signal in the output I have experienced some pitch shifting stomp boxes that feel very fast, like the classic Blue Box by MXR, the Hog by Electroharmonix etc etc. For a while I used a TC Electronics FireworX that did an "almost OK" job on pitching down. Except for the FireworX those are analog boxes. In computer software I doubt that would be possible, at least I have not seen any software algorithm that transposes live audio without too much latency. I'm not a programmer but I suspect all audio processing programming has to rely on setting up buffers in the time line in order to secure calculations being reliably performed. A computer's operating system may also add a time buffer to the process. A while back you could hear the difference as the same plug-ins under OS X were "slower" according to the extra safety buffer in that system compared to when run under Windows. That might have changed now though, I haven't seen any whining about it lately ;-) Myself I gave up pretty soon on finding a real-time pitch transformer software. Instead I do as we musicians always do, we make a strong gesture in some direction that (hopefully) makes the listener believer they are hearing it right (although it actually is not perfectly "right"). Such "cheats" include transforming already recorded slices of a loop (Mobius scripting), using another physical instrument that actually allows for playing the notes directly at the preferred pitch and finally to blend the pitch transformed signal with the dry live signal to mask out the ugly latency. This last approach works fine for me with pitch shifting software plug-ins. Ok, so here's sharing some experiences with different pitch shifting plugins I have tried: The least CPU intensive one I have found is the PItch Shifter II in Logic/Mainstage but you have to set its quality to "vocal" for minimal latency and fidelity degradation and it still sounds rather crappy if listened to without the masking source audio signal. The cheapest is Apple's AU Pitch Shifter that comes for free within OS X on any Apple pc. I used this a lot when building a Mobius looping host in Bidule, a little slower than the Logic plugin but still ok. Then I have also tried the free plugin Spectral Magic AU suite by Michael Norris; it has a better sounding pitch shifter but one that consumes a bit more CPU power. I too am a big fan of Eventide's processing so I invested in the SoundToys Native Bundle plugin suite as soon as it became available as AU. For long time it was only offered as RTAS to be used in Proo Tools but today there is even a Windows version of these plugins. One of those plugins, the Crystallizer, offers very good pitch shifting. Not as timing accurate for a realt-time live input as an analog stomp box of course, but if you like the classic Eventide harmonizers this is as close you get in software (and you get a lot more routing experimentation options than the HM8000 ever had). Best regards Per Boysen On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:02 AM, james fowler wrote: > hey gang - > > below is a reply i got from stefan.=C2=A0 anybody else care to chime in? > > - jim > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Stefan Tiedje > Date: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:51 AM > Subject: Re: max/msp vs. eventide > To: james fowler > > > Hi James, > > Am 08.12.10 15:04, schrieb james fowler: >> i'm currently using an eventide eclipse and i'm finding that its >> pitch shifters cannot keep up with the audio i'm feeding it. =C2=A0have >> you found that you can build reliable and accurate shifters in >> max/msp? =C2=A0i love the fidelity of eventide products but i have to ge= t >> rid of this eclipse and i'll move to either a bigger eventide or go >> with something like max/msp. =C2=A0fwiw, i also use native instruments a= nd >> i should really look and see what reaktor can do in regards to >> this... > > There is no such thing as an ideal pitch shifter for all purposes. In my > own music, I am much more interested in structures (time and pitch) than > in a specific "accuracy" of the shifts. There are basically 3 to 5 > different approaches technically which you could use in Max/MSP. The > most common one is granular pitch shifting, which is playing short > grains of the original sound in varying speeds. This is the typical > sound of "cheap" shifters. I actually use that sort of shifting mostly, > for two reasons. First I do like the artifacts and it can be set in a > way to be rhythmically more or less precise. In Max you always have > access to the small details of such a process (grain size and envelopes > come to mind). > Then there is a fft based method coming with Max with less control of > the detail, as it is within an external, but with very good results for > sustained sounds (ideal for cello or sustained guitar...). > And there are two different commercial externals, one is the same > pitchshifting/timestretching method used in Ableton Live and most of the > other sequencers and tools. That external will cost the enormous amount > of 20$ I think. The same programmers also made their own algorithm, > which might be a better sounding granular approach, but that is > speculation and solely out of my listening imagination. > And last but not least, I always wanted to create a sort of very long > grain looper, which instead of using grains in the range of 50 ms, use > complete phrases, and break them up at silent parts. This would of > course scramble the time structure significantly, but would be as clean > as the good old varispeed... > This last idea is still on my to do list though... > > But maybe you get an idea why Max/MSP is so intriguing as a tool for me, > there is no technical limitation for your imagination. If you don't like > the way it sounds, you analyze why and whats missing, and then start to > invent those missing parts. You are completely free to define your user > interface yourself and fit it to your personal needs and ways of playing.= .. > > Cooking yourself is always better and more fun than heating up > pre-cooked dishes, even better than going to a gourmet restaurant (like > your eclipse). Though from time to time its also nice to know that > terrible expensive cook, he will widen your perspective as well...;-) > > This is a long reply now, maybe you want to share it to the list as > well?...;-) > > All the best, > > Stefan > > -- > Les Ondes M=C3=A9morielles--------x-- > -_____-----------|-----------|-- > -(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > - _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ---------()----------TJ Shredder > http://tjshredder.wordpress.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 13:23:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92AEF183537; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Nx79jyidPbiN4bOdwKx/HJNAzqdsBpVqjoWtjSuW2WI=; b=YvqOxeKT1kod1mporthHCzijfBIlSw8P9jJEekPWq9CeKZ3P79/vgUehIKFRJDWvb8 gfqcGtlKfR4frboF/9zyX/YkiLgmW1Vc8SsQ6XwZ+lTPqmn3r2SL0b6tkmeaH1aBQM1W AZ0JltHDZqSMIKvScgahVwWKImcL+gXfKxELk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hmW9gygEfywWmt3QcKywX6ZywcdXpW3u8Ys36GI87R6klB75U95ayCTNZXxtkHPl5O qz2D1lglpNekjRjIE0/ZEjBrlxxM+PUnGLX1cV5KG3jvYTDh8j+k37bOhpvsWULp6w1z qoTHi+WL5dcx1nw6a89h3Y8vwbTWHiZZq8hCw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D00D5CA.8080108@cruzio.com> References: <4D00D5CA.8080108@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:23:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Criteria for Creating New Instruments on pad and phone technology From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <-9CBtC.A.RzG.2gNANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Seems interesting, but would you mind adding the video link you are talking about? I think iFeel technology would be better then iTouch for us musicians. I mean, we all think it is better to feel your knobs and sliders directly without having to look at them first. But unfortunately no iFeel technology exists. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Bill Putnam forwarded this thoughtful video of list of things that > an iPhone/Touch/Pad or equivalent technology should have > in order to be considered a serious instrument. > > I have to say I agreed with almost everything this guys said. > I am brand new to the iTouch technology and have had some > great excitement about it's potential and also a lot of strong skepticism > about it's growing ubiquity. > > Your thoughts? > > rick walker > > ps though this is off topic, I do believe this new technology platform > and it's ubiquity due to it's pretty amazingly cheap price (at least the > apps one > buys) has huge implications in live looping performances potentially. > > I'm beta testing a device now, as an example that will allow me to use an > iTouch > to control my Looperlative (or any midi instrument) as an example remotely > using wireless technology. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 13:50:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A70C18352E; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: Subject: RE: USB drives me nuts Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:50:02 +0100 Message-ID: <45DE2EE91C294F35A3778E034A2C8D49@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcuXowXD52lpoYwWTsiLD8DrNLHJrwABJZcg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.4.122; VDF: 7.10.14.228) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:50:08 +0000 (UTC) > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > I'm wondering if you guys aren't talking about > the infamous IRQ conflict issue? don't know, there aren't any error messages mentioning IRQs ... anyway, I'll upgrade to Windows7 now, hoping that'll fix it. Or are there any issues with Bidule (32bit) or VST plugins under Windows7? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 13:57:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F350183537; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0770c43d-2339-4f3c-99d7-7f4a9d5d03d2_" X-Originating-IP: [86.143.215.214] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: USB drives me nuts Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:57:46 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <45DE2EE91C294F35A3778E034A2C8D49@mpeserver> References: ,<45DE2EE91C294F35A3778E034A2C8D49@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2010 13:57:46.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[0ED37F40:01CB97A9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:57:48 +0000 (UTC) --_0770c43d-2339-4f3c-99d7-7f4a9d5d03d2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael.=20 Windows 7 is a vast improvement on Vista. It doesn't seem to matter which u= sb port I use for my interfaces on my win7 laptop at all.=20 =20 Good luck=2C =20 Gareth =20 > From: mp@mpeters.de > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: USB drives me nuts > Date: Thu=2C 9 Dec 2010 14:50:02 +0100 >=20 > > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 > > I'm wondering if you guys aren't talking about=20 > > the infamous IRQ conflict issue?=20 >=20 > don't know=2C there aren't any error messages mentioning IRQs ...=20 >=20 > anyway=2C I'll upgrade to Windows7 now=2C hoping that'll fix it. Or are t= here > any issues with Bidule (32bit) or VST plugins under Windows7? >=20 > -Michael >=20 >=20 >=20 = --_0770c43d-2339-4f3c-99d7-7f4a9d5d03d2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael.
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= --_0770c43d-2339-4f3c-99d7-7f4a9d5d03d2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 14:22:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CDE718353D; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=TDH8qqvW-YLrZd_qXDoA:9 a=uP-tOefHMK7rdlZQDd3qaL9XSL4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D007C72.9000100@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 06:22:30 -0800 References: <4D007C72.9000100@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Rick, I'll say more than that. If I had to name a single album that inspired me to take up "looping" Eno and Fripp's "Evening Star" was the one. It came out in something like '74-75(?) and by the time I discovered it ('77-78, already in the "cut-out" bin) I was ripe. A few other experiences were also key in my musical/looping development, but if there was just one recording ... that'd be it. It was important to me . . . and I love listening to it still. Cheers, Ted On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: >> Ill be honest and say that I love No Pussyfooting, but consider it >> an Eno album... > Yeah, but am I the only person who thinks that 'Evening Star' is > the better album > of the two? People constantly name check 'No > Pussyfooting' (which does have > the bitchenist album cover art) but I think Evening Star is a lot > more musical. > > Though definitely in the Eno world, I hear it as completely > collaborative..... > each part adding equally. > > rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 14:25:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37677183536; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3J2WBmM+14Wupgqkm36Xpgif0DQ4Ix5GxpM+9D08wC4=; b=ihKWtoyTPqqCMdIYNnENCONkgUWIyrmDeOlC9aWQEfxzsn3h9QVMDC4dQqgU87ZKfs pJskd6LAbnFrUuyvEHZhQcDyZd0id4V6L8IXyySq9A+HEOHJ2NPsCkjLtnNODVadkMuL ohMyffRpFhIb54ZcdkZf3tT4kbWXNfadwWn5w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gINyFukh0KoF/ZOrbFL4DvCYXNiy2HuaVQqmJ+6A+uzoL9ZAyCGorB28x+3xXvlL7k 4fpX/35FCjxde+MdIUm1l+iDqIE5BqE4qgGqRvfsE7tkuTp2MSQbZNDxHrHoqV6o/qwV +9oJ20LilmGU3UqUf9rKfCeOUpgq3lcyrQ4Cg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:25:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: max/msp vs. eventide From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c35726254db0496fb01a5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:25:11 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c35726254db0496fb01a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 my question is this: what is it that eventide knows that the entire vst world has yet to discover? surely my computer has more raw processing power than the eclipse. aside from chopitch, i've yet to find a vst that can get close to the speed and accuracy of eventide's algorithms. - jim On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:35 AM, todd reynolds wrote: > Hi Gents. > > Nice encapsulation of the Max/MSP pitch-shifting world, Stefan! > > It's been my experience that the computer just cannot process fast enough > yet to do real-time Pitch-Shifting, fft or otherwise. I still use only my > Eventide Orville when I really need that, and it works fine, though I still > 'feel' the tiniest bit of latency. I have no experience with the Eclipse, > though our good friend Erdem does. > > However, I just recently purchased an Eventide Pitch Factor because I just > can't travel with that Orville anymore, and I am very pleasantly surprised. > It's solved all my issues and is in general a great box. > > That said, I know that in the Max/MSP world algorithms are in continual > process and I'd not be surprised if real good shifting comes into being > relatively soon. As it is, Puremagnetik has written some Max for Live > patches which include a real time pitch shifter which, if you're into a > slightly colored sound, doesn't work bad at all, in fact, it sounds pretty > interesting! (that whole M4L pack is worth my investment, not bad, $40 > bucks.) > > I hope that contributes something to the conversation! Cheers, everyone. > > > --0015174c35726254db0496fb01a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my question is this: what is it that eventide knows that the entire vst wor= ld has yet to discover?=A0 surely my computer has more raw processing power= than the eclipse.=A0 aside from chopitch, i've yet to find a vst that = can get close to the speed and accuracy of eventide's algorithms.=A0
- jim

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:35 AM,= todd reynolds <= toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Gents.

Nice encapsulation of the Max/MSP pitch-shifting world,= Stefan! =A0

It's been my experience that the = computer just cannot process fast enough yet to do real-time Pitch-Shifting= , fft or otherwise. =A0I still use only my Eventide Orville when I really n= eed that, and it works fine, though I still 'feel' the tiniest bit = of latency. =A0I have no experience with the Eclipse, though our good frien= d Erdem does.

However, I just recently purchased an Eventide Pitch Fa= ctor because I just can't travel with that Orville anymore, and I am ve= ry pleasantly surprised. =A0It's solved all my issues and is in general= a great box.=A0

That said, I know that in the Max/MSP world algorithms = are in continual process and I'd not be surprised if real good shifting= comes into being relatively soon. =A0As it is, Puremagnetik has written so= me Max for Live patches which include a real time pitch shifter which, if y= ou're into a slightly colored sound, doesn't work bad at all, in fa= ct, it sounds pretty interesting! =A0(that whole M4L pack is worth my inves= tment, not bad, $40 bucks.)

I hope that contributes something to the conversation! = =A0Cheers, everyone.=A0



--0015174c35726254db0496fb01a5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 14:37:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22E30183543; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D00E9B6.7030606@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 06:37:42 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy soto CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT: French composers are leaving France for the US? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:37:51 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy soto wrote: > There is little or NO alternative scene going on here in Paris, and > in the rest of the country there are isolated acts here and there but > very little gatherings or festivals. Maybe it's time for the 1st Parisian International Live Looping Festival to occur, Andy? I'm sure there are at least a handful of Parisian live loopers, let alone all the people who will be traveling, hopefully, to Italy, Germany, England, Croatia, Belgium and the Netherlands as we talked about at this year's looping festival. As was said in the 'Field of Dreams' movie.......... "If you build it, they will come....." rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 14:40:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB39C183544; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D00EA56.7030306@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 06:40:22 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: USB drives me nuts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:40:30 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I'm wondering if you guys aren't talking about the infamous IRQ > conflict issue? Gosh, I had assumed that the IRQ issue was resolved once Win XP came in. I've never had a single IRQ conflict since I last used Win 98. Did I just get lucky or am I correct in my assumption? rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 14:58:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BFAA183540; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <4402482061497082339@unknownmsgid> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 06:58:00 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <61BE891D-8E48-4D4D-A48C-C4F59092A3A3@grubmah.com> References: <4D007C72.9000100@cruzio.com> <4402482061497082339@unknownmsgid> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:58:04 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 9, 2010, at 12:31 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Evening star????? Thats just some yoga background music... I know this > cos my yoga teacher plays it!!! An Index of Metals is a bit disturbing but over all Evening Star does = feel much tamer. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 15:14:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1C62183550; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1291907668; bh=YdX5Lxa9qQblY0qf17WswtySUyBslE4C6VCGIVBa9cI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UwAq80/9NGIq3x5DJLrXquIGkRuwEUpNJk2sp4xuhxCJgP7OzFjiCB6AV/D/LM4AGrqGhoD5Ufq5LSbsFEzFxyMrcyP4gXXAqFmPh4OpNMoafD1x2X1FQ7v0CmWJYNDOl27VQztN3oFZ90PNyqMRXAiDHQrEoS46sACPV+QoRgc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FGZ4ibUe74G9zeJX6Qvg+vS352WActgIr9pAFRgCmCPFiRJwuWN73YFyVQHu7P+AVAPEfKAVwRIteWWEBOF9bKINLdGNO4JDbIBBj685hhRx5YZMjI1H4x9KTp3aMFW8Npx0v1C+oE9MEdBAqbpoOy7Y1ULol01s5qCQomDAVbg=; Message-ID: <521944.6203.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ry9_d2AVM1nOsFGonfSA2C_xveGbamrXhUzgqXWJtf8yGm. f3mQ7MNKszppmIfrdXpbOtvmFb0_5jQ9KOQwDRJS714PjdkML6zzr1LrFG9A d0Lf_1KLDR2j2TMIEByeNaDXUAiWSq3r62iTAuKIhgPhEM3rYwyiLG9kkcJf 9u7MRSfMKRjMb_e_cmjXhTH_ZA6PVvp66rMo76bONAfZ0ro4OrFLVdTVL5SR 1RnhVZ5qHALH.sENYlbRm2KXAiMhn0uJDxRDk8vWubxQzkq08PiKvgVeilRk CAMt2kiMFPbbaonJ_cq0AaYf4vqeJ3QdQR2ml70eNOgG8jYx294Dg3gH71NR Dpbzq5C4O5COVsaayR_b8FDmMuUroSSEdRNspiTLLSk7QvqWFV7Wt8jBojqO i6NJWa7hcGQZh X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:14:28 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: RE: OT: hurdy gurdy To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-195350462-1291907668=:6203" Resent-Message-ID: <92hJsD.A.L3C.VJPANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:14:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-195350462-1291907668=:6203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0 ...and then there's Ben Grossman =A0 http://www.macrophone.org/=A0& http://www.myspace.com/bengrossman =A0 The idea behind his double cd macrophone is to have each cd playing on two = different cd's.=A0 Wonderful stuff, ever changing. =A0 I saw Ben play at the last Guelph Jazz Festival - iirc, he had a Mac and an= ipad with him.=A0 The ipad got some attention during the show, the noteboo= k wasn't touched. =A0 He's done gobs of studio work, including soundtrack work on the movie Monst= er. =A0 And many thanks for attending to the server crash, Violet.=A0 Hugs and kiss= es for that! =A0 =A0 =A0 ted. Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog =0A=0A --0-195350462-1291907668=:6203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
...and then there's Ben Grossman
 
 
The idea behind his double cd macrophone is to have each cd playing on= two different cd's.  Wonderful stuff, ever changing.
 
I saw Ben play at the last Guelph Jazz Festival - iirc, he had a Mac a= nd an ipad with him.  The ipad got some attention during the show, the= notebook wasn't touched.
 
He's done gobs of studio work, including soundtrack work on the movie = Monster.
 
And many thanks for attending to the server crash, Violet.  Hugs = and kisses for that!
 
 
 
ted.

Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog

--0-195350462-1291907668=:6203-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 15:16:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D35B2183550; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 546229846/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.187.11/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.187.11 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqsBABOBAE1V0rsL/2dsb2JhbAAHlU7POYVKBI4B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,320,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="546229846" Message-ID: <4D00F2E3.5080701@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:16:51 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: USB drives me nuts References: <4D00EA56.7030306@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4D00EA56.7030306@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > Gosh, I had assumed that the IRQ issue was resolved once Win XP came in. > I've never had a single IRQ conflict since I last used Win 98. > > Did I just get lucky or am I correct in my assumption? > The problems nowadays don't appear unless you're doing realtime audio. While XP is better at letting devices share IRQ basically what they did was took away the user's control. Luckily I'm not using my desktop pc for live looping, the audio interface usually gets shoved on the same IRQ as the video card, I haven't been able to change that. I remember juggling IRQs back in win3.1 days.. I'd love to go back to those days when the user had power over the whim of the OS. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 15:26:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1ACC9183558; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TvVHrAECBk32CCUBzsilaeHXO95fVD6PVgo5iE4B4X8=; b=Fi8pRIDX5KzHn2fXFox/nWZIuqjxFC8D4k5hebm/mAlVLI2RgMErVEEfS29fC/M5Cm E0QFjgL6Sle/M+LHTDkg6WzOke67hPf/I+uEFfkoUO/I5LTeA03AjoqZACu4J0oWY2+U BpwQufq2sOhQlRslbiDYlfURWVCtPxhHPxghk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BVsKaFo1buddPov+TveTkO7fFVc0xVbofWblu/SIGk98SEmBJMi+l5u/Ry8gTSxgia 1BplKBC9XcbPqSNkKw0iy0xkt26oFu8lhPfmiWpOwmWyHtLtllX18Jw+6kXMA/7KEdMq 9Ez4UKgbj/WK6ZK292+3I+05+mCDSO19g76v4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:26:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: max/msp vs. eventide From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <60BVRC.A.8PD.nUPANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:26:31 +0000 (UTC) I touched on this in a recent post regarding Pitch Shifting. I would guess an important factor is that a dedicated machine, like the Eventide, can be designed to work with smaller buffers. # Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:25 PM, james fowler wrote: > my question is this: what is it that eventide knows that the entire vst > world has yet to discover?=C2=A0 surely my computer has more raw processi= ng power > than the eclipse.=C2=A0 aside from chopitch, i've yet to find a vst that = can get > close to the speed and accuracy of eventide's algorithms. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 15:53:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E158D18355D; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <61BE891D-8E48-4D4D-A48C-C4F59092A3A3@grubmah.com> References: <4D007C72.9000100@cruzio.com> <4402482061497082339@unknownmsgid> <61BE891D-8E48-4D4D-A48C-C4F59092A3A3@grubmah.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: Evening Star (was Fripper Gear Trivia) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:27:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=6.0 tests=RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,RDNS_NONE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on host.newworlddelivery.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host3.webserveralpha.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ubergadget.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <1m-0iD.A.n2D.MuPANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:53:48 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 9, 2010, at 6:58 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > An Index of Metals is a bit disturbing But, it certainly lives up to it's title. I love it. :-) Cheers, Rev. Fever Portland,OR The Angry Red Planet From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 15:56:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 011B018355C; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 543421436/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.187.11/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.187.11 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqsBAFeLAE1V0rsL/2dsb2JhbAAHg1WRer5PkG6BIYM1dASOAYJ+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,320,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="543421436" Message-ID: <4D00FC38.40908@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:56:40 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: max/msp vs. eventide References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:56:27 +0000 (UTC) > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:25 PM, james fowler wrote: >> my question is this: what is it that eventide knows that the entire vst >> world has yet to discover? surely my computer has more raw processing power >> than the eclipse. aside from chopitch, i've yet to find a vst that can get >> close to the speed and accuracy of eventide's algorithms. I expect they just worked longer and harder to get a good low latency algorithm. ...and kept quiet about how they did it. Also, they're more focused on realtime operation than the average vst creator. andy butler ps thanks for the mention of Chopitch :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 16:10:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42F5B183560; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012090076 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-09_07:2010-12-09,2010-12-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 References: <4D007C72.9000100@cruzio.com> In-reply-to: Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <4EC91AF6-67E7-46B1-933D-DC142425CEFC@mac.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148) From: Daniel Berkman Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:09:51 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:10:24 +0000 (UTC) No Pussyfooting and Evening Star were so uber hip at that time and still are= . I discovered them in the eighties and they still color everything I do mus= ically! I agree Evening Star is the more musical of the two and really highlight Eno= & Fripp's signature sound, but there is a punkish rawness to No Pussyfootin= g, not to mention the presence of the VCS3 which added a particularly minima= list electronic feel.=20 Both albums were a precursor to Let The Power Fall and Frippertronics.=20 Man, I love those albums! Thank you all so much for bringing them up for discussion, into the light wh= ere they belong and reminding me where I came from. Best, Daniel=20 _____________________ Daniel Berkman | Colfax=20 Kora =E2=80=A2 Gravikord =E2=80=A2 Handsonic=20 Musician =E2=80=A2 Composer =E2=80=A2 Producer www.danielberkman.com Phone: (415) 254-4895 Email: danielberkman@mac.com On Dec 9, 2010, at 6:22 AM, tEd =C2=AE KiLLiAn wrot= e: > Rick, >=20 > I'll say more than that. >=20 > If I had to name a single album that inspired me to take up "looping" Eno a= nd Fripp's "Evening Star" was the one. >=20 > It came out in something like '74-75(?) and by the time I discovered it ('= 77-78, already in the "cut-out" bin) I was ripe. >=20 > A few other experiences were also key in my musical/looping development, b= ut if there was just one recording ... that'd be it. >=20 > It was important to me . . . and I love listening to it still. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Ted >=20 > On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >=20 >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: >>> Ill be honest and say that I love No Pussyfooting, but consider it an En= o album... >> Yeah, but am I the only person who thinks that 'Evening Star' is the be= tter album >> of the two? People constantly name check 'No Pussyfooting' (which d= oes have >> the bitchenist album cover art) but I think Evening Star is a lot more mu= sical. >>=20 >> Though definitely in the Eno world, I hear it as completely collaborativ= e..... >> each part adding equally. >>=20 >> rick walker >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 16:14:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51BD318356A; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:14:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012090077 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-09_07:2010-12-09,2010-12-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 References: <4D007C72.9000100@cruzio.com> <4402482061497082339@unknownmsgid> In-reply-to: <4402482061497082339@unknownmsgid> Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <28615CCE-26C2-4B17-9913-471263DA2936@mac.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148) From: Daniel Berkman Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:14:27 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:14:55 +0000 (UTC) Nice one, Mark! Hilarious! I'd like to see the look on the yogis faces as Index Of Metals kicks in!! Priceless! ; ) -Daniel _____________________ Daniel Berkman | Colfax=20 Kora =E2=80=A2 Gravikord =E2=80=A2 Handsonic=20 Musician =E2=80=A2 Composer =E2=80=A2 Producer www.danielberkman.com Phone: (415) 254-4895 Email: danielberkman@mac.com On Dec 9, 2010, at 12:31 AM, mark francombe wrote:= > Hurrah! We disagree in something Rick!!! I love no pussyfooting cos of > the whole package.. The cover... The track titles(swastica girls for > christ sake) It's Not a new agey sounding. It's got that vcs3 band > pass vcf sequencer thing.. It's got harsh interjection from mr fripp > (as he adds interesting stuff to enos album) the whole thing laughs in > the face of the drippy stoners who sat about in bedsits smokin' . > It's ambient with an edge... The likes of which was never to be heard > until after the 80s with some ambient glitch. >=20 > Evening star????? Thats just some yoga background music... I know this > cos my yoga teacher plays it!!! >=20 > Om Manipudmi hum... >=20 > =E2=99=A5 =E2=98=AE =E2=98=A0 >=20 > Mark >=20 > Sent from my (advertisement removed) >=20 > On 9 Dec 2010, at 07:51, Rick Walker wrote: >=20 >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: >>> Ill be honest and say that I love No Pussyfooting, but consider it an En= o album... >> Yeah, but am I the only person who thinks that 'Evening Star' is the be= tter album >> of the two? People constantly name check 'No Pussyfooting' (which d= oes have >> the bitchenist album cover art) but I think Evening Star is a lot more mu= sical. >>=20 >> Though definitely in the Eno world, I hear it as completely collaborativ= e..... >> each part adding equally. >>=20 >> rick walker >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 16:33:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07EAB183560; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:33:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-15.arcor-online.net A31E31AC1C7 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 17:33:01 +0100 (CET) From: michelemoser@arcor.de To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1514764317.30723.1291912381657.JavaMail.ngmail@webmail06.arcor-online.net> In-Reply-To: <28615CCE-26C2-4B17-9913-471263DA2936@mac.com> References: <28615CCE-26C2-4B17-9913-471263DA2936@mac.com> <4D007C72.9000100@cruzio.com> <4402482061497082339@unknownmsgid> Subject: Aw: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ngMessageSubType: MessageSubType_MAIL X-WebmailclientIP: 138.246.2.106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:33:03 +0000 (UTC) das ist eine logische reaktion . alles weitere hier:-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 16:37:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B194B183559; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81719640E71A43B799A8153CA26A5155@ELUK1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <45DE2EE91C294F35A3778E034A2C8D49@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <45DE2EE91C294F35A3778E034A2C8D49@mpeserver> Subject: Re: USB drives me nuts Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:37:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: <-BE2LD.A.5FF.9WQANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:37:18 +0000 (UTC) ?I've found the only USB distinction Windows 7x64 makes has to do with whether the USB port in question is 2.0 or not. This of course represents a difference in performance from Win7's standpoint - but as a person who's switched plugs around a little over the past few months, it presented no problem with the drivers reinstalling themselves appropriate to the given USB port-and-plug. I don't use Bidule but haven't had any problems with VST plugins using either FLStudio 9, Sonar 8.5 or Reaper. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > I'm wondering if you guys aren't talking about > the infamous IRQ conflict issue? don't know, there aren't any error messages mentioning IRQs ... anyway, I'll upgrade to Windows7 now, hoping that'll fix it. Or are there any issues with Bidule (32bit) or VST plugins under Windows7? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 16:45:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08715183558; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:45:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <695204D4-BDFA-492E-BE99-2F4A5954FFB6@frontier.com><4CFCE5A5.8070709@cruzio.com><4CFD2010.4050604@googlemail.com><4CFF5268.9020701@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:44:58 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 141.151.136.167 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32992-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD65D78CB95514-197C-444@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:45:17 +0000 (UTC) << How many of you are willing to take the time..... >> asks dennis..... 1. does he have one of his minions do this? 2. if not.....after 20 years he should be good at it.....:).....poor thing! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 17:47:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E35EB18356A; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 17:47:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=UTgysWoRERaHA4km39kGynnuO1eTnbKF7aN1vYH9Srk89ryj2G1RSiISxZS55J880dIVxywyBeQZdc/etrSwashWrPCtWdY42sHY6C7NQQGsMABEpb2zHSBygWqlRig3; Message-ID: <20101209114729.1dg4ivrnok84cs4g@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:47:29 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Who takes the time? (was Fripper Gear Trivia) References: <695204D4-BDFA-492E-BE99-2F4A5954FFB6@frontier.com><4CFCE5A5.8070709@cruzio.com><4CFD2010.4050604@googlemail.com><4CFF5268.9020701@tiscali.co.uk> <8CD65D78CB95514-197C-444@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CD65D78CB95514-197C-444@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 17:47:32 +0000 (UTC) Quoting nemoguitt@aol.com: > > << How many of you are willing to take the time..... >> asks dennis..... > Just to elaborate -- I think most people "take the time" -- just it =20 may not be on-site. I've given the topic some thought. Actually, I've taken a lot of time and have to think strategically =20 since, unlike headliner performers, I am not granted luxurious amounts =20 of setup and sound check time. When I work in 5.1, I calculate the delays based on the maximum =20 separation distances of the speakers -- based on my best estimate. It =20 is ok to add a little additional delay time as a "buffer". The =20 problem is, with too little delay time, people seated close to the =20 rear speakers will perceive the sound coming from the rear when it =20 should be the front. Of course the opposite is true -- when the sound =20 source comes from the back, the reverb to the front must be delayed by =20 at least the physical delay time from the source speaker. This also =20 holds true for left-to-right. Getting back to stereo -- To center pan sound means that listeners =20 will percieve ALL the sound from the closest speaker (the Hass =20 effect). A minimum system should have a middle channel to get around =20 this problem but about the best one can do is center pan stuff while =20 realizing that other than listeners that are seated exactly between =20 the speakers others will loose the center imagery. For this reason, I simply place source material in discreet speakers =20 and try to avoid center panning. Any reverb "padding" is delayed and =20 shared between speakers however I place source material in single =20 speakers. The only exception is when the sound is intentionally =20 panned -- then a slide from one speaker to another works ok. My ideal system would have at least eight discreet channels, plus a =20 sub channel but my software only supports 5.1 so that is that. OK, forgive the digression -- in my mind I have a rather grandiose =20 soundstage and to deliver it to listeners is the goal and my best =20 solution has been to anticipate the setup and adjust my equipment in =20 advance. Ironically, if I were granted, say, an entire day for sound check it =20 wouldn't take me that long -- I would have already had the dimensions =20 of the room and made any needed adjustments. All I would have to do =20 would be to do some tweaking. Another "issue" is subwoofers. I prefer to address them discretely =20 rather than to depend on a cross-over network to do the job. However, =20 all the house systems I've played on send the mains material to the =20 subs. What often happens on all but the most sophisticated sound =20 systems is that phasing issues cause a kind of muddiness or rumble in =20 the low-tenor range -- a function of the intersection of the crossover =20 curves between the mains the the subs. (Again, when I have played =20 through top-of-the-line systems, the engineers have already worked =20 this all out, and all is well.) So, what I try to do is to keep all =20 but the low bass out of the subs by rolling bass off of the main =20 channels and keeping all but the deep bass out of the sub-channel. =20 So, in a practical sense, I use EQ as a means of addressing the subs =20 discretely. When in doubt, a 3 to 6 db cut centered around 150hz =20 (about an octave wide) doesn't do any harm. Forgive this long post... the point I make here is that, speaking for =20 myself, I have put untold hours, research, experiment, and thought =20 into my sound design. Thus, don't let a quick setup time (such as the quick setup at Y2K) =20 give the impression that there isn't a LOT that has gone into it. In =20 fact, I've spent a few hours of rehearsal time simply to set up and =20 take down my equipment in 15 minutes. Oh -- I'm in a much better mood than yesterday. Not ranting today, =20 just thinking-out-loud. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 18:39:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 428E918356F; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 18:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+Ujf5hUofEf5yhBGgQfaALwlsxIBPW/Ie0wu1HUuaGI=; b=kCzdOEU2oA9lkxlaAHGv2/s5aDoQn8SBvYLa89QGEcD1Fg4xjrNwa6nu+3SWsxbQH4 uvgl9K6UhuRSUr2AHWR9/vRo9ygKecCLKu1jAAJ9wbkHv8ctTyqlama2RzmZMwYAEx3X XVjCebOoTet4328QBcYV9PeM/PWiCQ3AIBeIw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=SezUKOSBhptVPqK/XS2fGmpIN8oqxr7uljX0tsC56R5vhQAGPhKYf4xYMlmpoP8me8 OI7KBblkz4NGVpLHMGUy/2SWkd3YA8LqnbU5I0s4i0SsrucwBm/nRxGKtuU4ZNZkdYRy uOpJm8llMq5Dam5muOyivMXpPEAPAHc1MMBl0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <13A357697DE74EB48B4EA76C544C04F6@mpeserver> References: <13A357697DE74EB48B4EA76C544C04F6@mpeserver> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:39:50 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Stretched Landscape Remix Project From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 18:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi Michael, I'm planning to do this! Hopefully I can get something together in January. Matt 2010/12/8 Michael Peters : > http://www.michaelpeters.de/slremix.htm > > Looking forward to your remixes! > > -Michael Peters > > > -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 21:08:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F39B183573; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=stvFE+SpwzBTx4AqJoMWb07kU45C4qtN4Mn477k26wI=; b=RlwVyn/JUpDp0U8quT7WMXF3qLjRbV+5ADa68f2YTWbrUeYyYh0bafnuS9T9KZFaC+ tO9qISA/iU+X/zQLBzvQFYsNDfFvRqF7DQIVydNf4WDxWHw51M1hxOlc6FpFZfzFvD+z EB42AUyNoibvwG4KtYrbGhbPLy/EOJNYUfXD8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=saDmNqcbuGEpYA8tSf0NNu3gvlV5j/uN3w6tuxuc2Pp8ldfs88nQfALZYJEcWoZkkW BdxenSNtl38k1oeRA6zGtTJ1dkTwr/6U6fygMCYmIPLJLs8Q9is+C9LXCU+wCXTZ9riy Ga5ZxUXzBHgkU9FQbRSUES+syKZ4tBw2p5uOs= Message-ID: <4D01454E.30609@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:08:30 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: OT: drum programming/drum sequencer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Via matrixsynth, here's something that seems to be a very intuitive way to program drum patterns in quasi-realtime. Plus, it looks way more appealing than staring at a computer screen. http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2010/12/optical-turntable-sequencer-demo.html Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 21:45:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63D51183578; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=d+aUU0Pm400TrF1V88WTx+WU9wYVkxAoC2dH/4Qu3wg=; b=Ap81iEqP3Z0lSmZSAPW4rqLYTOXafRTCNYx2nDiDg7gp41xOCcyxaGb+ha0LoHx/3Z RT4OqmUVrrAOMr29kCvEJKBV6Z1xsIaO0HCkmW+BMG7eNh/gluIphZ7YTG3kb7t+u3yt LxRZ99LOH11TZbV8HmT1+NfofMq/aCbZA2E2M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bjiHDF7gheBSulF/uCu8zwpxWhQsuKTkMEATG3laeMCww1OmlEO0e7hxpNoIyYNU7w YfUiUJLSrJraZ0qOKZdnuZP27xHt6G8RWMSTHdtkhQRNmHpMg1hrhzge/az54xnAdtaB uk98Jgch8U2sXuOFLVtlndZRgM4P+bHna++b0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4CFA4D3D.1090701@cruzio.com> References: <4CFA1747.7090500@tiscali.co.uk> <4CFA4D3D.1090701@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:45:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: rather very OT: Patton - and six degrees From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:45:24 +0000 (UTC) me->Lee Schipper->Janne Schaffer->Bob Marley-> me->Lee Schipper->Janne Schaffer->Ted G=E4rdestad->Jeff Porcaro->Steely Dan me->Lee Schipper->Herbie->Miles->Cannon Ball->J.J. Johnson I'll stop there... All you should take away ftom that is that Lee Schipper is great (physicist/musician who won the Nobel Peace Prize a couple years back). My personal favorites are my connections to great philosophers (where the relationship is studied with (or had significant conversations with)): me->Paul Forster->Quine->Carnap->Wittgenstein->Russell Sylvain On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Rainer wrote: >>> >>> Btw, I found my own way (which I only mention because it might apply to= a >>> lot of other people here, too): me -> Walker -> Kaiser -> Zorn. >> >> Holy Shit, > > I came up with these tonight with a little Google searching after reading > Rainer's post. > > What a crack up!!!!!! > > Me-> Kaiser -> Wadada Leo Smith -> Charlie Haden -> Keith Jarrett -> Mile= s > -> Coltrane > > or > > Me -> Kaiser -> Wadada Leo Smith -> Charlie Haden -> > John Lennon -> Elvis -> God (though they never jammed, they did meet each > other once) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 9 23:10:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E67B18357A; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 23:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6D0DFFA8-2BA1-4303-AB80-68C23657596C@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: max/msp vs. eventide Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:10:13 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 23:10:21 +0000 (UTC) "However, I just recently purchased an Eventide Pitch Factor because I just can't travel with that Orville anymore, and I am very pleasantly surprised. It's solved all my issues and is in general a great box. " Hey Todd would you mind elaborating a bit, have you used it much for straight or subtley modulated delay effects? How is it latency wise as a straight octaver effect? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 00:32:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BF4718357C; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 00:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D017507.8060609@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 19:32:07 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 00:32:12 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Historic Edition Volume 5" which is a self-released title. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#dec Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 03:11:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85E8B183581; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 03:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Gordius LG/quiet switches Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 19:11:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <9jZk8C.A.FkE.1pZANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 03:11:49 +0000 (UTC) I just wanted to let you know I got my Gordius Little Giant back after its Version 2 upgrade, and I love the way the new LCD graphic display looks and the new flexibility of the 1/4 cc outputs on the back of which I haven't begun to scratch the surface . One cool thing about its LCD display is that it shows in large full screen numbers what patch I happen to be on and it has a screen saver mode. In its earlier version the characters where smaller and less easy to see from a distance, This is great for my middle age peepers. Its been a work horse since I got it, its built like a tank, its switches have fast response and are quieter than most , though I'm intrigued by Andy's idea of putting some foam on the inside to dampen the acoustic chamber aspect of the chassis itself, to see if i can minimize mechanical noise even further. If it weren't for the fact that the original LCD screen started to dim, I might have never considered the version 2 firmware upgrade but I'm glad Xavier convinced me to do it. He made a great piece of gear even better. Its never failed me 5 years of almost daily use. If I ever move to a lap top this will easily make the transition vis its USB port. Since the LG also has a second pair of midi ins and outs, I have on occasion been using an old roland FC-50 midi pedal as a remote to either add more preset switches to control more parameters on my looperlative, or use a slightly quieter remote switch in critical open mic recording situations. The Roland pedal switches like this are about as quiet as they come mechanical noise-wise but do become creaky sounding with wear and tear, The FCB's switches are a little noisier still to my ears with even more wear related issues, though as has been pointed out before, its possible to trigger the Gordius switches with a very light touch and create almost no mechanical noise. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 08:26:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8BD1183583; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 08:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1sUZ9/aU0jyW9zQW8jZspjIrP2S8x3y8OIXzOyZN3A0=; b=okN6+cxSIvmHJQUnyLZbrEnhTewhvBd2a0jjdNIz+LzSmpTCVQ3LjnldIEdfOeqN1F hlHrahxRwlcX1lpleZaeAjO+lhgZ7xA3TJ6WCNvhqB96RDHb5mwmlF7/V+BZ/aeTN5Ac iuhymdl7C4bXHojDpWiX4RNDWQetfaUrioFOA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Q9sNfYo4/Gy7X5C4FUXG6H+eGjT2QTOo53vNmac+b+q7b8H8NQ7MH9k9aiwFs7SHNx 0jma4BbjhilCT2phZIARy6LstSYmDjRLijEm1ucsiGKhhB1ghbHxINRgucuCdBcYHfzM Jk7s99R/Akk4rTevivEMottoos+Agwys6zotc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> References: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:26:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG/quiet switches From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 08:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Cool, Bill. I'm happy with my LG2 too. As for the switcher sound loudness I think it sounds like tapping a green Stratocaster's pick guard with a thick jazz pick. Yeah bub, gotta be specific in this floating universe... I use mine with eight banks, seven for Mobius looping commands and one for pre looper stomp box effects in Mainstage (yep all laptop here). Each bank uses the ten on-board switches plus two externally two expression pedals and two extra switches. One expression pedal and one external switch are always used as "sustain pedal" (technically set to freeze a reverb). The other expression pedal mostly targets looper Mobius Feedback, except for after having kicked some specific switches that give this pedal some alternative temporary new target. I use the LG2 function of "virtual FCB pads" to make the LG2 send a "100 percent Feedback" message to Mobius every time I change bank on the LG2. For me that's good because when I jump frenetically between looper banks and stomp effect control banks I could otherwise forget the Feedback at a setting that will make me loose the loop's audio (not that I couldn't fix that with a couple of kicks at the Mobius Undo switch, but less egg on face is favorable). I do all the control data scaling in Mainstage. LG2 has some simple scaling of the output data but that won't work for me because I tend target up to five or six different effect parameters by the same pedal and each parameter has to answer in a particular way; some may be cross fading while others may only kick in at a given value or rather work in a momentary way than as on/off or continuous etc etc. I love that the LG2 is so reliable! It only sends out the data you have programmed it to send out, the FCB is just disastrous with that. The only issue I'm having with the LG2 is that you need to have access to a Windows computer to set it up. Some new version 2 features aren't even available by manually programming the LG2 with the built-in system using the scroll wheel. I use to borrow my son's pc to fix what I can't get at by manual programming and to save the backup to a USB stick. I wish I hadn't deleted the Windows XP partition on my Macbook when recently installing a sampler because it would have been nice to have instant access to LG2 setup from the performance lappy. A Mac editor is planned but as we all know that expression coming from a developer/manufacturer might mean two weeks as well as two years ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:11 AM, William Walker wr= ote: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0I just wanted to let you know I got my Gordius Little Giant = back after > its Version 2 upgrade, and I love the way the new LCD graphic display loo= ks > and the new flexibility of the 1/4 cc outputs on the back of which I have= n't > begun to scratch the surface . One cool thing about its LCD display is th= at > it shows in large full screen numbers what patch I happen to be on and it > has a screen saver mode. In its earlier version the characters where smal= ler > and less easy to see from a distance, This is great for my middle age > peepers. Its been a work horse since I got it, its built like a tank, its > switches have fast response and are quieter than most , though I'm intrig= ued > by Andy's idea of putting some foam on the inside to dampen the acoustic > chamber aspect of the chassis itself, to see if i can minimize mechanical > noise even further. If it weren't for the fact that the original =C2=A0LC= D screen > started to dim, I might have never considered the version 2 firmware upgr= ade > but I'm glad Xavier convinced me to do it. He made a great piece of gear > even better. Its never failed me 5 years of almost =C2=A0daily use. =C2= =A0If I ever > move to a lap top this will easily make the transition vis its USB port. > =C2=A0Since the LG also has a second pair of midi ins and outs, I have on > occasion =C2=A0been using an old roland FC-50 midi pedal as a remote to e= ither > add more preset switches =C2=A0to control more parameters on my looperlat= ive, or > use a slightly quieter remote switch in critical open mic recording > situations. The Roland pedal switches like this are about as quiet as the= y > come mechanical noise-wise but do become creaky sounding with wear and te= ar, > The FCB's switches are a little noisier still to my ears with even more w= ear > related issues, though as has been pointed out before, its possible to > trigger the Gordius switches with a very light touch and create almost no > mechanical noise. > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 09:36:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9382183587; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 546694347/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.164/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.164 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As4BANeCAU1YbRqk/2dsb2JhbAAHlVPORYVKBI4B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,323,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="546694347" Message-ID: <4D01F4BF.8070109@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:37:03 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius LG/quiet switches References: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:36:48 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: > I just wanted to let you know I got my Gordius Little Giant back > after its Version 2 upgrade, and I love the way the new LCD graphic > display looks and the new flexibility of the 1/4 cc outputs on the back > of which I haven't begun to scratch the surface . I don't think that feature is fully realised yet, just a few (usable) options. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 09:42:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B9BC183583; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: Gordius LG/quiet switches From: Reyn Ouwehand In-Reply-To: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:41:59 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <31293E91-ECC5-4BA2-9550-E2B7D7A95CF4@reyn.net> References: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:42:02 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 10, 2010, at 4:11 AM, William Walker wrote: > though I'm intrigued by Andy's idea of putting some foam on the = inside to dampen the acoustic chamber aspect of the chassis itself, to = see if i can minimize mechanical noise even further. That's actually not a bad idea indeed. Cheers, Reyn ___________ www.reyn.net www.reyn.vs.reyn.net www.fimscore.reyn.net management: www.lalalamanagement.nl twitter/facebook/youtube: ReynOuwehand= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 10:30:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA11118358B; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7Q5G667lZEGnBG8iq5fHhlBG2Hsou4DJx7tbxcj3Bzk=; b=BjvALwD+cSBuclajbMGS9wZVOspD/7AnoXELt7gl6S1OS+zMQAI/1LBtBD8xANvPGV G8ba2VkpkWf1fRvdMnvP8z8ZX4qspXYKjDdmLtQuBHJLWHN5yQQ+ZlE2mVIkvL6uayxy RcpFrpy4EBR3UuAt8ySebUv/R2QsBZm6oc+KA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=wpQeGmpiKHEpdeHNT9nSZAl25fYFygzLBtU+kBy71HcyhgxtRzle6lri7C8CAhNcj9 iluNtiAsRW6UxmgZJxg7+5hHTTqM67qRxYcKmxcSoPIoi9L7V9QYGM6ZRTxoU4D+QMVW sYZa4Tt4v2XCLdNk/qDGvJu0rkrcEhczwsiVs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <31293E91-ECC5-4BA2-9550-E2B7D7A95CF4@reyn.net> References: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> <31293E91-ECC5-4BA2-9550-E2B7D7A95CF4@reyn.net> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 02:29:58 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG/quiet switches From: Clifford Novey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367f9e0206dcb204970bd66f Resent-Message-ID: <9idlWB.A._uD.nEgANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:29:59 +0000 (UTC) --0016367f9e0206dcb204970bd66f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dense cotton wadding might be safer and work better. Any synthetics can be flamable, out gas, and break down over time. > > though I'm intrigued by Andy's idea of putting some foam on the inside > to dampen the acoustic chamber aspect of the chassis itself, to see if i can > minimize mechanical noise even further. > > --0016367f9e0206dcb204970bd66f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dense cotton wadding might be safer and work better. Any synthetics ca= n be flamable, out gas, and break down over time.
> =A0though I'm intrigued= by Andy's idea of putting some foam on the inside to dampen the acoust= ic chamber aspect of the chassis itself, to see if i can minimize mechanica= l noise even further.

--0016367f9e0206dcb204970bd66f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 10:33:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E422E183585; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: Reyn vs Blaudzun From: Reyn Ouwehand In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:33:36 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6C5B7B46-6951-4EA6-BA86-C450524F4821@reyn.net> References: <22EE0557EB3B4B68BFC72EE6700BA45D@mpeserver> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis (and others), Thanks for the nice words! Actually I organize this event every 3rd = sunday of the month. And I do them with artists I have worked with or = want to work with or just admire. There are no rehearsals and it's made = really on the spot. Only thing I sometimes do is that I make a webcam = video of some of the songs I want to loop, so that they don't get scared = or freaked out on the moment itself. So the artist just plays his song = and I glue myself to him and try to accompany him as tasteful as I can. = I really like that and because it's on the spot the adrenaline rush is = great! And sadly I'm doing it independently, no subsidies what so ever. The = reception is very good thought and more and more people are showing up. = People really appreciate it, also the whole concept of it. Also the = artists does it for the fun and not the money, but when things take off = I'd love to be able to pay more musicians and have, next to the singer, = a string quartet on stage and I play just the celesta all afternoon for = example. So it's getting there and I'm still full of ideas! Actually I think I'll = do a Reyn vs Reyn in April since I also have to prepare something for = the LiveLooping Festival in Cologne on the 2nd of April. Oh, and on a side note, I finished a site where I put some of the music = I did for movies. No looping involved, but maybe you guys like to see it = anyhow: www.filmscore.reyn.net Cheers, Reyn ___________ www.reyn.net www.reyn.vs.reyn.net management: www.lalalamanagement.nl twitter/facebook/youtube: ReynOuwehand On Dec 6, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Yes very nice,i like the way live looping is presented here,with = special songwriters in a very musical way. > Hey Reyn just curious do this events only feature national talent?are = you organiz=EDng them and how often do you have them? > could you share with us how this shows are being received so far and = if the city is involved in the financial side or if you are doing it = independently? > I m curious because think this would be another nice way to = presentlive looping which seems quite accesible to general audiences. > Luis > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:17 PM, ^|>^m = wrote: > Yes! Enjoyed that. Thanks for sharing. >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > Reyn will play live on the next livelooping festival in Cologne (next = April) > see www.livelooping.de >=20 > -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 13:48:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 119E0183591; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id:to:mime-version :x-mailer; bh=KR3zVBlL+Mkwi4+3GjExQOtVwH7EpMC3IJtX7A3QQWQ=; b=BAFfnLwX02FAP2VRBGtb5kV1hohg1+fb/hx4/eZBqRm3EUQGwisSDbcKAtm1eodzjt xAMJ3cTJAhwasVyTyVTUdlltc/d/deFAuaU6cNQzAkV0nWajrXmkTKWsogAtPuV2NAKs iSWLyAGDFrZ/bNa3DDPcPdwNSyNL1iAUdmnCg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; b=oLJhDOKpDF/Kp+0+AZMs1CSz4vJGXsTg6dypyXb71TCaxvojdHAqyH0Zoay3dRbLbL jZZCCHL+vaS/wd89+vg3bL+exV+t3KCKULsNanRMCcEpkJD07MjQ2fYntKKFAaALC4Nw zGXk0Ei3Hejs2/NfLNxMU8GNHU3D78oCrxsbg= From: Matthias Grob Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: andrew stephen othling Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:47:40 -0300 Message-Id: <75FEF1D8-6AD8-4243-9D2F-86AFF986B31A@gmail.com> To: Loop List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:48:21 +0000 (UTC) I have not seen a mention of andrew stephen othling on this list http://youtube.com/tubescreamer he comes up regularly with very nice ambient guitar looping videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 15:02:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 539A818358A; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D0240F1.5060301@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:02:09 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #714 for December 9, 2010. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9gYAZC.A.AMD.1DkANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:02:13 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/101209.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #714 December 9, 2010. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Historic Edition Volume 5" which is self- released. Modulator ESP: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Broekhuis, Keller, Storm Chaser Repelen (Manikin) and Schonwalder Mystified Rising Field A Pale But Lasting Hope (Magnatune) Dan Pound Aurora Aurora (Pound Sounds) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Modulator ESP Time Waits For No Historic Edition Vol. 5 (none) Man Modulator ESP Dystopia 2046 Historic Edition Vol. 5 (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Historic Edition Volume 6" which is a self-released title. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 15:19:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15BBA183585; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Gordius LG/quiet switches References: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-3-154454236"; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B936DAA-14EC-41CF-B142-4FC841A3D6CE@1800dialword.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:17:46 -0500 To: Thread-Topic: Gordius LG/quiet switches thread-index: AcuYfYVoeSSkP6RCTRyz3OfXNIkCbA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2010 15:19:23.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[A001D640:01CB987D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:19:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-154454236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Howdy, if ya'll were changing pedals now, would you take little giant or sof= tstep? Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 10, 2010, at 3:26 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Cool, Bill. I'm happy with my LG2 too. As for the switcher sound > loudness I think it sounds like tapping a green Stratocaster's pick > guard with a thick jazz pick. Yeah bub, gotta be specific in this > floating universe... I use mine with eight banks, seven for Mobius > looping commands and one for pre looper stomp box effects in Mainstage > (yep all laptop here). Each bank uses the ten on-board switches plus > two externally two expression pedals and two extra switches. One > expression pedal and one external switch are always used as "sustain > pedal" (technically set to freeze a reverb). The other expression > pedal mostly targets looper Mobius Feedback, except for after having > kicked some specific switches that give this pedal some alternative > temporary new target. >=20 > I use the LG2 function of "virtual FCB pads" to make the LG2 send a > "100 percent Feedback" message to Mobius every time I change bank on > the LG2. For me that's good because when I jump frenetically between > looper banks and stomp effect control banks I could otherwise forget > the Feedback at a setting that will make me loose the loop's audio > (not that I couldn't fix that with a couple of kicks at the Mobius > Undo switch, but less egg on face is favorable). >=20 > I do all the control data scaling in Mainstage. LG2 has some simple > scaling of the output data but that won't work for me because I tend > target up to five or six different effect parameters by the same pedal > and each parameter has to answer in a particular way; some may be > cross fading while others may only kick in at a given value or rather > work in a momentary way than as on/off or continuous etc etc. I love > that the LG2 is so reliable! It only sends out the data you have > programmed it to send out, the FCB is just disastrous with that. >=20 > The only issue I'm having with the LG2 is that you need to have access > to a Windows computer to set it up. Some new version 2 features aren't > even available by manually programming the LG2 with the built-in > system using the scroll wheel. I use to borrow my son's pc to fix what > I can't get at by manual programming and to save the backup to a USB > stick. I wish I hadn't deleted the Windows XP partition on my Macbook > when recently installing a sampler because it would have been nice to > have instant access to LG2 setup from the performance lappy. A Mac > editor is planned but as we all know that expression coming from a > developer/manufacturer might mean two weeks as well as two years ;-)) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:11 AM, William Walker w= rote: > > I just wanted to let you know I got my Gordius Little Giant back afte= r > > its Version 2 upgrade, and I love the way the new LCD graphic display lo= oks > > and the new flexibility of the 1/4 cc outputs on the back of which I hav= en't > > begun to scratch the surface . One cool thing about its LCD display is t= hat > > it shows in large full screen numbers what patch I happen to be on and i= t > > has a screen saver mode. In its earlier version the characters where sma= ller > > and less easy to see from a distance, This is great for my middle age > > peepers. Its been a work horse since I got it, its built like a tank, it= s > > switches have fast response and are quieter than most , though I'm intri= gued > > by Andy's idea of putting some foam on the inside to dampen the acoustic= > > chamber aspect of the chassis itself, to see if i can minimize mechanica= l > > noise even further. If it weren't for the fact that the original LCD sc= reen > > started to dim, I might have never considered the version 2 firmware upg= rade > > but I'm glad Xavier convinced me to do it. He made a great piece of gear= > > even better. Its never failed me 5 years of almost daily use. If I eve= r > > move to a lap top this will easily make the transition vis its USB port.= > > Since the LG also has a second pair of midi ins and outs, I have on > > occasion been using an old roland FC-50 midi pedal as a remote to eithe= r > > add more preset switches to control more parameters on my looperlative,= or > > use a slightly quieter remote switch in critical open mic recording > > situations. The Roland pedal switches like this are about as quiet as th= ey > > come mechanical noise-wise but do become creaky sounding with wear and t= ear, > > The FCB's switches are a little noisier still to my ears with even more w= ear > > related issues, though as has been pointed out before, its possible to > > trigger the Gordius switches with a very light touch and create almost n= o > > mechanical noise. > > Bill > > > > >=20 --Apple-Mail-3-154454236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Howdy, if ya'll were changing pedals now, would you take little giant or softstep?

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!


On Dec 10, 2010, at 3:26 AM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

Cool, Bill. I'm happy with my LG2 too. As for the switcher sound
loudness I think it sounds like tapping a green Stratocaster's pick
guard with a thick jazz pick. Yeah bub, gotta be specific in this
floating universe... I use mine with eight banks, seven for Mobius
looping commands and one for pre looper stomp box effects in Mainstage
(yep all laptop here). Each bank uses the ten on-board switches plus
two externally two expression pedals and two extra switches. One
expression pedal and one external switch are always used as "sustain
pedal" (technically set to freeze a reverb). The other expression
pedal mostly targets looper Mobius Feedback, except for after having
kicked some specific switches that give this pedal some alternative
temporary new target.

I use the LG2 function of "virtual FCB pads" to make the LG2 send a
"100 percent Feedback" message to Mobius every time I change bank on
the LG2. For me that's good because when I jump frenetically between
looper banks and stomp effect control banks I could otherwise forget
the Feedback at a setting that will make me loose the loop's audio
(not that I couldn't fix that with a couple of kicks at the Mobius
Undo switch, but less egg on face is favorable).

I do all the control data scaling in Mainstage. LG2 has some simple
scaling of the output data but that won't work for me because I tend
target up to five or six different effect parameters by the same pedal
and each parameter has to answer in a particular way; some may be
cross fading while others may only kick in at a given value or rather
work in a momentary way than as on/off or continuous etc etc. I love
that the LG2 is so reliable! It only sends out the data you have
programmed it to send out, the FCB is just disastrous with that.

The only issue I'm having with the LG2 is that you need to have access
to a Windows computer to set it up. Some new version 2 features aren't
even available by manually programming the LG2 with the built-in
system using the scroll wheel. I use to borrow my son's pc to fix what
I can't get at by manual programming and to save the backup to a USB
stick. I wish I hadn't deleted the Windows XP partition on my Macbook
when recently installing a sampler because it would have been nice to
have instant access to LG2 setup from the performance lappy. A Mac
editor is planned but as we all know that expression coming from a
developer/manufacturer might mean two weeks as well as two years ;-))

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:11 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
>    I just wanted to let you know I got my Gordius Little Giant back after
> its Version 2 upgrade, and I love the way the new LCD graphic display looks
> and the new flexibility of the 1/4 cc outputs on the back of which I haven't
> begun to scratch the surface . One cool thing about its LCD display is that
> it shows in large full screen numbers what patch I happen to be on and it
> has a screen saver mode. In its earlier version the characters where smaller
> and less easy to see from a distance, This is great for my middle age
> peepers. Its been a work horse since I got it, its built like a tank, its
> switches have fast response and are quieter than most , though I'm intrigued
> by Andy's idea of putting some foam on the inside to dampen the acoustic
> chamber aspect of the chassis itself, to see if i can minimize mechanical
> noise even further. If it weren't for the fact that the original  LCD screen
> started to dim, I might have never considered the version 2 firmware upgrade
> but I'm glad Xavier convinced me to do it. He made a great piece of gear
> even better. Its never failed me 5 years of almost  daily use.  If I ever
> move to a lap top this will easily make the transition vis its USB port.
>  Since the LG also has a second pair of midi ins and outs, I have on
> occasion  been using an old roland FC-50 midi pedal as a remote to either
> add more preset switches  to control more parameters on my looperlative, or
> use a slightly quieter remote switch in critical open mic recording
> situations. The Roland pedal switches like this are about as quiet as they
> come mechanical noise-wise but do become creaky sounding with wear and tear,
> The FCB's switches are a little noisier still to my ears with even more wear
> related issues, though as has been pointed out before, its possible to
> trigger the Gordius switches with a very light touch and create almost no
> mechanical noise.
> Bill
>
>

--Apple-Mail-3-154454236-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 16:01:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E7851834D2; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 538215722/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.164/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.164 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtEBAE/dAU1YbRqk/2dsb2JhbAAHg1WRf710kFeBIYM1dASOAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,324,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="538215722" Message-ID: <4D024EBB.5070007@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:00:59 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius LG/quiet switches References: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> <3B936DAA-14EC-41CF-B142-4FC841A3D6CE@1800dialword.com> In-Reply-To: <3B936DAA-14EC-41CF-B142-4FC841A3D6CE@1800dialword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Andy Owens wrote: > Howdy, if ya'll were changing pedals now, would you take little giant or > softstep? > I'm sticking with the LG. Latest from the Softsteppers is a suspicion that it's never going to work without a pc connected. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 16:26:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 211601834EE; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MjIbYxZR4DF09Xjva3GuAo4MHyr2LyCstFWidWiR0iw=; b=PKYF1zO1vl5e0DF3W94agKXfRNkk3jlwq4EnxMTgmEFhItvMmllg/bVBxneOe1tHaT LZY7BSqamWPOBocsM6H3TcRkOo4IJV6erClxPjQvYvohMs7RNZ+rmfZCmhyP5p1Puco7 hSpB55gsEIOl72gY+WRhe7ZavcCOU7nshv5FA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=l8VQorytS/lSw1iTSdlJoQVF3ps0GLewnFCBQvq/aty9+OtZivdBMJF3wH2+XIyOGn 36ZSPJzYiFXbg4A3om7KAXv/M06NGaNWWymmx1aTcjoEqObjf7jTUJ4115c33A6F33JW mGL85IZWB+bWxWrfTCNjgLN1vse3jHuIi99WQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3B936DAA-14EC-41CF-B142-4FC841A3D6CE@1800dialword.com> References: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> <3B936DAA-14EC-41CF-B142-4FC841A3D6CE@1800dialword.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:26:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG/quiet switches From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:26:45 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Andy Owens wrote: > Howdy, if ya'll were changing pedals now, would you take little giant or > softstep? Definitely the LG2! I do not consider Softstep a comparable option... well, in fact it seems to be an option of a different kind: "an option for something that might turn out as cool and useful some day" ;-) I just don't have the money, time or patience to wait and see if that day comes around. However, from just the theoretical description I think I would chose the Softstep. But I wouldn't buy an instrument I have not tried out rather extensively and found reliable. So for me the LG2 wins. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 16:37:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82818183560; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D025757.1010503@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 08:37:43 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Interesting Interview with Max/MSP User Owen Pallett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:37:52 +0000 (UTC) I came across this new interview with Owen Pallett at the Cycling 74 site. A cool and interesting composer/musician/live looper. He uses Super Looper with Max/MSP and a Mac Mini with footpedal and no screen. http://cycling74.com/2010/12/01/an-interview-with-owen-pallett/ Here's his website. I love what he says about making what he does transparent to an audience. http://www.owenpalletteternal.com/ rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 17:18:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37DD318356A; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d867a5c2-ccfb-4517-8337-0d220c821269_" X-Originating-IP: [86.143.215.214] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Interesting Interview with Max/MSP User Owen Pallett Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:18:21 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4D025757.1010503@cruzio.com> References: <4D025757.1010503@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2010 17:18:21.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EDA1A10:01CB988E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:18:23 +0000 (UTC) --_d867a5c2-ccfb-4517-8337-0d220c821269_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah a violinist who can actually play without sounding like a dying cat - co= ol! This has got me thinking about the whole "looking at the screen" problem. I= must say I tend to use the computer screen a bit like I used to use crib n= otes when playing with cover bands. I remember turning up at a gig having l= eft my notes at home once - and despite my misgivings=2C playing all the so= ngs fine.=20 I shall try to wean myself off the screen and see=2C(hear) what happens.. =20 peace =20 G =20 > Date: Fri=2C 10 Dec 2010 08:37:4 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Interesting Interview with Max/MSP User Owen Pallett >=20 > I came across this new interview with Owen Pallett > at the Cycling 74 site. A cool and interesting composer/musician/live=20 > looper. >=20 > He uses Super Looper with Max/MSP and a Mac Mini with footpedal and no=20 > screen. >=20 > http://cycling74.com/2010/12/01/an-interview-with-owen-pallett/ >=20 > Here's his website. I love what he says about making what he does > transparent to an audience. >=20 > http://www.owenpalletteternal.com/ >=20 > rick walker >=20 = --_d867a5c2-ccfb-4517-8337-0d220c821269_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah a violinist who can actually play without sounding like a dying cat - co= ol!
This has got me thinking about the whole "looking at the screen" problem. I= must say I tend to use the computer screen a =3Bbit like I used to use= crib notes when playing with cover bands. I remember turning up at a gig h= aving left my notes at home once - and despite my misgivings=2C playing all= the songs fine.
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>=3B rick walker
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= --_d867a5c2-ccfb-4517-8337-0d220c821269_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 17:47:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34B52183563; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:47:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HyQRCmcDEK8Zx2Y0X00j0D+w2lPIko7AxCrzNGeGyVA=; b=B10NwaKBlqFYKHRwpM6h4o1kx6b1iLlwjm/AG2Yspyw28rvuPjGr/e7LWdJppy8bfC nd2x6VNEZz0TJ32/D0xAwHxmVbGHbZOQ0n3U+0svBGqV3vJ7netsm1/WiYkD8IUV5DJI g7sEFvlWe5ja21WPTj20cPDJFHnQYfe+WtSIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=h8TjpFjYJ4Rss85Yx70vKIHnKyERMi+Rmh2NB3Ch/BEoZHEmxE5OOM4HyZLtlGYbHT y+iYH703tXJC33BedWzA3bMcxyYwnYI0BDoR5cJyfelMdnh6EMKO/cQiqFm075rMXKjk 49zNp8z550zeoxMwNv3b0YsPRwemQOub7ibR4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:47:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG/quiet switches From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5bd864dfe5b049711f3c7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:47:40 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5bd864dfe5b049711f3c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per wrote: I love that the LG2 is so reliable! It only sends out the data you have > programmed it to send out, the FCB is just disastrous with that. > Per but you never upgraded the FCB with the UnO chip, since i did i never had an issue with it sending weird midi messages again, and you can program it with the Ripwerx software or without it (unfortunately there isnt a reliable Ripwerx software for mac;-( but thats is still a pretty good bargain for a foot controller id say! > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:11 AM, William Walker > wrote: > > I just wanted to let you know I got my Gordius Little Giant back after > > its Version 2 upgrade, and I love the way the new LCD graphic display > looks > > and the new flexibility of the 1/4 cc outputs on the back of which I > haven't > > begun to scratch the surface . One cool thing about its LCD display is > that > > it shows in large full screen numbers what patch I happen to be on and it > > has a screen saver mode. In its earlier version the characters where > smaller > > and less easy to see from a distance, This is great for my middle age > > peepers. Its been a work horse since I got it, its built like a tank, its > > switches have fast response and are quieter than most , though I'm > intrigued > > by Andy's idea of putting some foam on the inside to dampen the acoustic > > chamber aspect of the chassis itself, to see if i can minimize mechanical > > noise even further. If it weren't for the fact that the original LCD > screen > > started to dim, I might have never considered the version 2 firmware > upgrade > > but I'm glad Xavier convinced me to do it. He made a great piece of gear > > even better. Its never failed me 5 years of almost daily use. If I ever > > move to a lap top this will easily make the transition vis its USB port. > > Since the LG also has a second pair of midi ins and outs, I have on > > occasion been using an old roland FC-50 midi pedal as a remote to either > > add more preset switches to control more parameters on my looperlative, > or > > use a slightly quieter remote switch in critical open mic recording > > situations. The Roland pedal switches like this are about as quiet as > they > > come mechanical noise-wise but do become creaky sounding with wear and > tear, > > The FCB's switches are a little noisier still to my ears with even more > wear > > related issues, though as has been pointed out before, its possible to > > trigger the Gordius switches with a very light touch and create almost no > > mechanical noise. > > Bill > > > > > > > --001636c5bd864dfe5b049711f3c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0Per wrote:
I love that the LG2 is so reliable! It only sends out the = data you have
programmed it to send out, the FCB is just disastrous with that.
=A0
Per but you never upgraded the FCB with the UnO ch= ip, since i did i never had an issue with it sending weird midi messages ag= ain,
and you can program it with the Ripwerx software or without it (unfortunate= ly there isnt a reliable Ripwerx software for mac;-(
but thats is still = a pretty good bargain for a foot controller id say!












=A0
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:11 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
> =A0 =A0I just wanted to let you know I got my Gordius Little Giant bac= k after
> its Version 2 upgrade, and I love the way the new LCD graphic display = looks
> and the new flexibility of the 1/4 cc outputs on the back of which I h= aven't
> begun to scratch the surface . One cool thing about its LCD display is= that
> it shows in large full screen numbers what patch I happen to be on and= it
> has a screen saver mode. In its earlier version the characters where s= maller
> and less easy to see from a distance, This is great for my middle age<= br> > peepers. Its been a work horse since I got it, its built like a tank, = its
> switches have fast response and are quieter than most , though I'm= intrigued
> by Andy's idea of putting some foam on the inside to dampen the ac= oustic
> chamber aspect of the chassis itself, to see if i can minimize mechani= cal
> noise even further. If it weren't for the fact that the original = =A0LCD screen
> started to dim, I might have never considered the version 2 firmware u= pgrade
> but I'm glad Xavier convinced me to do it. He made a great piece o= f gear
> even better. Its never failed me 5 years of almost =A0daily use. =A0If= I ever
> move to a lap top this will easily make the transition vis its USB por= t.
> =A0Since the LG also has a second pair of midi ins and outs, I have on=
> occasion =A0been using an old roland FC-50 midi pedal as a remote to e= ither
> add more preset switches =A0to control more parameters on my looperlat= ive, or
> use a slightly quieter remote switch in critical open mic recording > situations. The Roland pedal switches like this are about as quiet as = they
> come mechanical noise-wise but do become creaky sounding with wear and= tear,
> The FCB's switches are a little noisier still to my ears with even= more wear
> related issues, though as has been pointed out before, its possible to=
> trigger the Gordius switches with a very light touch and create almost= no
> mechanical noise.
> Bill
>
>



--001636c5bd864dfe5b049711f3c7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 17:58:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 923BD18356A; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4ffJPXa83pb8xxk0X+W5jiqa09CCHL59KFXwAFArUYQ=; b=Ixu825Y1zR3HV/oFKF23gsDc+9ooV8kuYEEscyJ7uI0VKXWiiRO48BAPFs8VPPOKNa DYuMVlmqOdtxp8BC122J/R/2345ANQ3f7+PAXO9gF9S2UcxyJ/YCfEXbB2w3IIeCWyMK /2P3GuQSEVhHS6hRQ/pXP1697GqwVWwRrPti8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UbvlV4uEMNS9p8c/OUlW+hbZgYjTYyjSVLuBRG7q2pdwfBdwfVBjVFB0ND02cXFmQ+ mv+frmQnLOlxRPQzF+p5aMFV9uTFl1fUHPG269qSfwb25KJtZW8JWJcETyWaNGb6oXCv FZp/rtueQXpKVJF/uX1/94sDJ+kAU3WmEcKJs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:58:12 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG/quiet switches From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:58:15 +0000 (UTC) > Per wrote: > I love that the LG2 is so reliable! It only sends out the data you have >> >> programmed it to send out, the FCB is just disastrous with that. On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Per but you never upgraded the FCB with the UnO chip, You must be joking! If yo buy a product you should not have to also buy an upgrade for it to work properly! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 18:41:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8229318356A; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: OK Message-Id: <2ED16CB2-C202-4705-AAA1-0D69D78F4005@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D025757.1010503@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Interesting Interview with Max/MSP User Owen Pallett Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:41:15 -0800 References: <4D025757.1010503@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:41:18 +0000 (UTC) i love what owen does, been following him since he performed under the moniker "Final Fantasy". we were both born outside toronto. maybe looping was in the water. On Dec 10, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > I came across this new interview with Owen Pallett > at the Cycling 74 site. A cool and interesting composer/musician/ > live looper. > > He uses Super Looper with Max/MSP and a Mac Mini with footpedal and > no screen. > > http://cycling74.com/2010/12/01/an-interview-with-owen-pallett/ > > Here's his website. I love what he says about making what he does > transparent to an audience. > > http://www.owenpalletteternal.com/ > > rick walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 18:52:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E42F118356A; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=w2AxY+ICSdJ2tNocj7QvWBOC/X2U4ODLI5rp+1sQ81o=; b=ku4R5Q6HGHQ9NJzkqaRaejq+2sU431ra+axCz6LdUnfKfIxgoBwFGz3FOsX2aWXGrE 9TWVNRxc2GUnj7/2zHY/vGZD02AMUcmgMPvggovmutKAz7bUjvan6RS3KGF77dz5Imzt bCgRRTiRY22j/CPjo8Qo1hfEG0u/yGLsLflV4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=U8XL4ct95DU1JIAZSiMo1uQ2sQgHx2z+zOKf35554YCQvCxzJBw4p4eeJKIkYHuGKq jBNWv3zx0K4rb3B2xI8GWhgPji9sX5cqD+IxLOzneX+vHrn0jvIm80bqwexuwWKZ021g d9iRd6LbSyJeeKcbAWTvNlDyzZnY7YQrziDB8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:52:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gordius LG/quiet switches From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dab32ad62661049712db56 Resent-Message-ID: <8IgD4B.A.rQD.7bnANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:52:43 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dab32ad62661049712db56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 oh yeah behringer sucks but the upgrade is from Xavier himself and the unit is solid rock for an x tra 16.- eur. and the Ripwerx editor is for free! plus we support Xavier as well;-) we really shouldnt even buy stuff that doesnt work from the begining but is advertised otherwise but we ve become accustomed to that nowdays and wait and wait for the next happy upgrade many companies adverstise as "eternally upgradable and never absolete" so you buy it with all kinds of bugs and then they put out a bug fix and nothing else. That to me is not an upgrade! Luis On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Per wrote: > > I love that the LG2 is so reliable! It only sends out the data you have > >> > >> programmed it to send out, the FCB is just disastrous with that. > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Louie Angulo > wrote: > > Per but you never upgraded the FCB with the UnO chip, > > > You must be joking! If yo buy a product you should not have to also > buy an upgrade for it to work properly! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > --0016e6dab32ad62661049712db56 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oh yeah behringer sucks but the upgrade is from Xavier himself and the unit= =A0 is solid rock for an x tra 16.- eur. and the Ripwerx editor is for free= !
plus we support Xavier as well;-)
we really shouldnt even buy stuff= that doesnt work from the begining but is advertised otherwise
but we ve become accustomed to that nowdays and wait and wait for the next = happy upgrade
many companies adverstise as "eternally upgradable an= d never absolete" so you buy it with all kinds of bugs and then they p= ut out a bug fix and nothing else.
That to me is not an upgrade!
Luis

On = Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Per wrote:
> I love that the LG2 is so reliable! It only sends out the data you hav= e
>>
>> programmed it to send out, the FCB is just disastrous with that.
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Louie Angulo
<louie.angulo@googlemail.= com> wrote:
> Per but you never upgraded the FCB with the UnO chip,


You must be joking! If yo buy a product you should not have to also buy an upgrade for it to work properly!

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub


--0016e6dab32ad62661049712db56-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 19:11:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A4BA183565; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 99846 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:11:56 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) References: <6CA52CB3-B1FA-4258-BE1E-814CF06E3C35@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <94F65D1A-1FA5-4283-92F4-2C4BC932BEFB@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: News from Dickie Landry Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:11:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=6.0 tests=RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,RDNS_NONE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on host.newworlddelivery.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Recently, I received this message from Dickie Landry. Good news, indeed! '15 Saxophones' has been out of print for YEARS. A wonderful, 1978 looping album. Also, interesting tidbit about him on that TH album. He also sent me a doc. with info on his very long and amazing career. I was not sure about adding attachments on posts to LD so I did not include it, but if someone wants me to send that doc. to them, then they can contact me OFF LIST,OK? Cheers, Rev.Fever Portland,OR http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > Good news, 15 Saxophones will be re-issued early next year on > Unseen records out of Austin. I played on Speaking in Tounge's > Record of Talking Heads. Slippery People. Solo at end of song > which sounds like a weird electronic thing is me on Alto Saxophone. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 19:47:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6940318356A; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8Cnh291iZqzJP0uKBWqd5W/KVRfl8mOhWANprk8jEBI=; b=j9TfFVpNErBYgKy1kbQoZmTLHUF2bWVpWuOym8BzXnUjr6NriElEmVO+e7k2oke+jr a7YEwvFEmVWD+1D/RthcDDDf6++3AmU0ikmhco0aUAvJtlbKCpZkSGMV18dx4f+Ozgo3 Tv6OuoXxtVSmhflNmUMs/1NDXcB0bIKbcIrl4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=N2cdV1aK+MP65OF+/h9Sf9P+EgmEzqIyedx31SUKqF9fGMyhcZuK8YhlotGdV+vOyk YkJfvT1j09arPz6nA1swuQ06lYvPLy8DonXN9YRjmbLbG6qmixFdsZy4IgAy5NHhlXdT /nLZWucbCm6fk83J0JC/j1+LHdFfKRO0sqs6M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <94F65D1A-1FA5-4283-92F4-2C4BC932BEFB@ubergadget.com> References: <6CA52CB3-B1FA-4258-BE1E-814CF06E3C35@bellsouth.net> <94F65D1A-1FA5-4283-92F4-2C4BC932BEFB@ubergadget.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:47:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: News from Dickie Landry From: "Jim W." To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:47:08 +0000 (UTC) I saw him play with the early Phillip Glass Ensemble several times in the 70s & agree he is an amazing talent. I have a vinyl copy of 15 buried somewhere in here. Another lp of interest from the same time & place I suggest hearing is Voice is the Original Instrument by Joan LaBarbara. Thx for the heads up. On Friday, December 10, 2010, Revfever wrote: > Recently, I received this message from Dickie Landry. Good news, indeed! = =A0'15 Saxophones' has been out of print for YEARS. =A0A wonderful, 1978 lo= oping album. > Also, interesting tidbit about him on that TH album. =A0He also sent me a= doc. with info on his very long and amazing career. I was not sure about a= dding attachments > on posts to LD so I did not include it, but if someone wants me to send t= hat doc. to them, then they can contact me OFF LIST,OK? > > Cheers, > Rev.Fever > Portland,OR > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > > > Good news, =A015 Saxophones will be re-issued early next year on Unseen r= ecords out of Austin. =A0I played on Speaking in Tounge's Record of Talking= Heads. =A0Slippery People. =A0Solo at end of song which sounds like a weir= d electronic thing is me on Alto Saxophone. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 20:11:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BAA0183483; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9c90f914-6764-4fbf-b87a-ca31973c73e9_" X-Originating-IP: [170.104.174.208] From: Jeremy devros To: Subject: RE: Fripper Gear Trivia Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:10:59 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8CD654208CFEB7D-13B4-5843@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> References: <20101208024909.3710418350C@hemlock.violacea.com> <16E5415A-7448-4C42-98F3-0B20F6BFE53F@me.com> <8BB3F9AC-F9B9-43F7-BD58-524FB9B0E173@frontier.com>,<8CD654208CFEB7D-13B4-5843@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2010 20:10:59.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C75D3D0:01CB98A6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:11:00 +0000 (UTC) --_9c90f914-6764-4fbf-b87a-ca31973c73e9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An anecdote: A friend of mine ran into him one time (somewhere NOT a music = venue) and being in awe -this was in the late '70s-blurted out the first th= ing to come to his mind: "Mr. Fripp=2C do you like lemon or milk with your = tea?" He said Fripp chatted with him for about 15 minutes about tea.=20 J..D..Devros=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: pjbmhb@aol.com Date: Wed=2C 8 Dec 2010 17:54:42 -0500 Fripp actually has a great sense of humor=2C you just have to dig a bit. It= 's there=2C below the surface=2C kind of like a tuber. PJ -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Wed=2C Dec 8=2C 2010 3:06 am Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia On Dec 7=2C 2010=2C at 9:35 PM=2C Kenn Lowy wrote: > He does allow pictures now. The announcement that was made before =20 > the concert was "no cameras with flash". He's mellowed a bit. > I know he's revered here=2C but (I have to confess)=2C he comes off as a =20 complete douche nozzle in just about every interview with him I've read. Jeff =20 = --_9c90f914-6764-4fbf-b87a-ca31973c73e9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An anecdote: A friend of mine ran into him one time (somewhere NOT a music = venue) and being in awe -this was in the late '70s-blurted out the first th= ing to come to his mind: "Mr. Fripp=2C do you like lemon or milk with your = tea?" He said Fripp chatted with him for about 15 minutes about tea.
J..D..Devros

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com
Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia
From: pjbmhb@aol.com
= Date: Wed=2C 8 Dec 2010 17:54:42 -0500

Fripp actually has a great sense of humor=2C you just ha= ve to dig a bit. It's there=2C below the surface=2C kind of like a tuber.

3D":-)"PJ



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Shirkey <=3Bjcshirke@frontier.com>=3B
To: Loopers-Delight <=3BLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=3B
Sent: Wed=2C Dec 8=2C 2010 3:06 am
Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia


On Dec 7=2C 2010=2C at 9:35 PM=2C Kenn Lowy wrote:

>=3B He does allow pictures now. The announcement that was made before =20
>=3B the concert was "no cameras with flash". He's mellowed a bit.
>=3B

I know he's revered here=2C but (I have to confess)=2C he comes off as a =20
complete douche nozzle in just about every interview with him I've read.

Jeff
=20
= --_9c90f914-6764-4fbf-b87a-ca31973c73e9_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 21:07:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B3F2183565; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gX73hQHS1LESZmRtosJwcBn0loosB7R3cOVyJhBKZ5w=; b=MIGcTADCQCZbhoj6SQ9DP6anuA4Z1BgjFzS8KGYOJ+RjwqOOjJVVua9/Px0hCH+qrr i10Te5WfQLoS29FervLcBbqAz4EpuCQAc89rUI9psH5phh7fpUj4CNapG0DPK+HSbpHd 6/Z2VrXl1jquahInLCLnNzt75u7QjQlCMt2Go= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xMx/cf2Cj/RlokAbvetM3OBHl30N6VI4z5ptb6+qtRl7X/NpS8MqxjWvXugLxv7Q/8 DVg5+b4BAdXIT1jc4oielTUM6piR6q2itIrXs3Y5rIjHI8sglyGEvG1gGEQeTxFKBTfd SKrirF1VEK8CKm9SrqjUqWzSOqCzQm8/xelJY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <6CA52CB3-B1FA-4258-BE1E-814CF06E3C35@bellsouth.net> <94F65D1A-1FA5-4283-92F4-2C4BC932BEFB@ubergadget.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 23:07:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: News from Dickie Landry From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a66b480614049714bff5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:07:52 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a66b480614049714bff5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Great listenining tips once again, Joan La Barbara especially! -Petri- 2010/12/10 Jim W. > I saw him play with the early Phillip Glass Ensemble several times in > the 70s & agree he is an amazing talent. I have a vinyl copy of 15 > buried somewhere in here. > > Another lp of interest from the same time & place I suggest hearing is > Voice is the Original Instrument by Joan LaBarbara. Thx for the heads > up. > > On Friday, December 10, 2010, Revfever wrote: > > Recently, I received this message from Dickie Landry. Good news, indeed! > '15 Saxophones' has been out of print for YEARS. A wonderful, 1978 looping > album. > > Also, interesting tidbit about him on that TH album. He also sent me a > doc. with info on his very long and amazing career. I was not sure about > adding attachments > > on posts to LD so I did not include it, but if someone wants me to send > that doc. to them, then they can contact me OFF LIST,OK? > > > > Cheers, > > Rev.Fever > > Portland,OR > > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > > > > > > Good news, 15 Saxophones will be re-issued early next year on Unseen > records out of Austin. I played on Speaking in Tounge's Record of Talking > Heads. Slippery People. Solo at end of song which sounds like a weird > electronic thing is me on Alto Saxophone. > > > > > > > > > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a66b480614049714bff5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great listenining tips once again, Joan La Barbara especially!

-Petr= i-

2010/12/10 Jim W. &l= t;synchro1@gmail.com>
I saw him play with the early Phillip Glass Ensemble several times in
the 70s & agree he is an amazing talent. I have a vinyl copy of 15
buried somewhere in here.

Another lp of interest from the same time & place I suggest hearing is<= br> Voice is the Original Instrument by Joan LaBarbara. Thx for the heads
up.

On Friday, December 10, 2010, Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:
> Recently, I received this message from Dickie Landry. Good news, indee= d! =A0'15 Saxophones' has been out of print for YEARS. =A0A wonderf= ul, 1978 looping album.
> Also, interesting tidbit about him on that TH album. =A0He also sent m= e a doc. with info on his very long and amazing career. I was not sure abou= t adding attachments
> on posts to LD so I did not include it, but if someone wants me to sen= d that doc. to them, then they can contact me OFF LIST,OK?
>
> Cheers,
> Rev.Fever
> Portland,OR
> http= ://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever
>
>
> Good news, =A015 Saxophones will be re-issued early next year on Unsee= n records out of Austin. =A0I played on Speaking in Tounge's Record of = Talking Heads. =A0Slippery People. =A0Solo at end of song which sounds like= a weird electronic thing is me on Alto Saxophone.
>
>
>
>




--
Petri Lahti= nen
http://www.petrilahtinen.co= m
http://petrilahtine= n.blogspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/pet= rilahtinen
http://twitt= er.com/PetriLahtinen
= http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
---------------------------------------------------
"Only become pr= ofessional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
--------= -------------------------------------------
"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-
--20cf3054a66b480614049714bff5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 21:12:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D77018355A; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:12:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia References: <20101208024909.3710418350C@hemlock.violacea.com> <16E5415A-7448-4C42-98F3-0B20F6BFE53F@me.com> <8BB3F9AC-F9B9-43F7-BD58-524FB9B0E173@frontier.com> <8CD654208CFEB7D-13B4-5843@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-6-175650228"; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Fripper Gear Trivia thread-index: AcuYrt4WMnp9gNKMS5W9AwiMmq8QvA== Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:11:01 -0500 To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2010 21:12:28.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3611B30:01CB98AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:12:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-175650228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dont leave us in suspense, what was the answer????!!! Lemon or milk??? Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 10, 2010, at 3:11 PM, "Jeremy devros" wrote:= > An anecdote: A friend of mine ran into him one time (somewhere NOT a music= venue) and being in awe -this was in the late '70s-blurted out the first th= ing to come to his mind: "Mr. Fripp, do you like lemon or milk with your tea= ?" He said Fripp chatted with him for about 15 minutes about tea.=20 >=20 > J..D..Devros=20 >=20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia > From: pjbmhb@aol.com > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:54:42 -0500 >=20 > Fripp actually has a great sense of humor, you just have to dig a bit. It'= s there, below the surface, kind of like a tuber. >=20 > PJ >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Shirkey > To: Loopers-Delight > Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:06 am > Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia >=20 >=20 > On Dec 7, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Kenn Lowy wrote: >=20 > > He does allow pictures now. The announcement that was made before =20 > > the concert was "no cameras with flash". He's mellowed a bit. > > >=20 > I know he's revered here, but (I have to confess), he comes off as a =20 > complete douche nozzle in just about every interview with him I've read. >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-6-175650228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Dont leave us in suspense, what was the answer????!!! Lemon or milk???

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!


On Dec 10, 2010, at 3:11 PM, "Jeremy devros" <deafrose58@hotmail.com> wrote:

An anecdote: A friend of mine ran into him one time (somewhere NOT a music venue) and being in awe -this was in the late '70s-blurted out the first thing to come to his mind: "Mr. Fripp, do you like lemon or milk with your tea?" He said Fripp chatted with him for about 15 minutes about tea.

J..D..Devros

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia
From: pjbmhb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:54:42 -0500

Fripp actually has a great sense of humor, you just have to dig a bit. It's there, below the surface, kind of like a tuber.

:-)PJ



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@frontier.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:06 am
Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia


On Dec 7, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Kenn Lowy wrote:

> He does allow pictures now. The announcement that was made before  
> the concert was "no cameras with flash". He's mellowed a bit.
>

I know he's revered here, but (I have to confess), he comes off as a  
complete douche nozzle in just about every interview with him I've read.

Jeff
--Apple-Mail-6-175650228-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 21:41:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 034E5183579; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:41:28 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <2ED16CB2-C202-4705-AAA1-0D69D78F4005@zoekeating.com> Message-ID: <20101210214128.277440@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D025757.1010503@cruzio.com> <2ED16CB2-C202-4705-AAA1-0D69D78F4005@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: Interesting Interview with Max/MSP User Owen Pallett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+ycr05Bx6ybqDR2PeHDSVe7RIOWFKCmRrwiMzog/ PoDkaPCXhSvhJ+UjQO2FG6Dva0VxDi6uxoaA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: uuQ3JQsGZDIrGMcogWc2hiN5emhmY0E+ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:41:31 +0000 (UTC) > > He uses Super Looper with Max/MSP and a Mac Mini with footpedal and > > no screen. I guess we had this discussion before... To me, using no screen seems suicidal (unless you have some audio Linux, BSD , embedded system or whatever). I _try_ to play without screen using Mainstage + Mobius. But every once in a while, you get this nasty pop up that blocks your whole system (i.e. detected feedback, plugin stuff, midi stuff...). I'm sure Windows users themselves have this experience with bunch of WindowsUpdate/VirusScan/FlashUpdate... pop-ups that appear when you just don't need them? Buzap -- Neu: GMX De-Mail - Einfach wie E-Mail, sicher wie ein Brief! Jetzt De-Mail-Adresse reservieren: http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/demail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 10 22:33:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 335A818356A; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <94F65D1A-1FA5-4283-92F4-2C4BC932BEFB@ubergadget.com> Subject: RE: News from Dickie Landry Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 23:33:22 +0100 Message-ID: <98B7F630B161401EBA22B402DD300735@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcuYsye3+RZbh7C0QJ+xqXmEsRNikwABv7Fw In-Reply-To: <94F65D1A-1FA5-4283-92F4-2C4BC932BEFB@ubergadget.com> X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.4.122; VDF: 7.10.14.244) Resent-Message-ID: <5uVfED.A.8HB.6qqANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:33:30 +0000 (UTC) hurray, I love 15 saxophones, one of my minimalist favorites !!! -Michael > -----Original Message----- > > Good news, 15 Saxophones will be re-issued early next year on > > Unseen records out of Austin. I played on Speaking in Tounge's > > Record of Talking Heads. Slippery People. Solo at end of song > > which sounds like a weird electronic thing is me on Alto Saxophone. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 00:58:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBD64183565; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cyk2/6mCHHyp1DS8rWqecA4m4se1bWk7qKy0UD5R1AY=; b=GDBi6/k33MvzbNIhOMrWcCx4PQB3WpO5hMJ0f4kmGp4fgzXv9ph+Fh8sf6dzX2s4C4 xxiwBZffVZxLzcrAa731gFqraEWs+AmEcxYuFv61MBBx83JwQVTeG4HCsr36C0/2nSc3 kLn8Z53p5F+aUifZRXX92cdcznMSjlwPyrSb8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=F4S0BPJuvZDyWqrAef3g3Wz3sGlivkmD3cS99bX5ImAx9LPy/x9U7WkeDr1a4ZSuX4 QerCv1kE+S7MLKxDAouVtUI1KpzsprmV8Nq5fcEP4bhfATTK4K/cp/9aChnLk2J/OuOP YZGogxHd/qyGgYiJFQuWK7b+QMqB0rfrVwBN4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20101208024909.3710418350C@hemlock.violacea.com> <16E5415A-7448-4C42-98F3-0B20F6BFE53F@me.com> <8BB3F9AC-F9B9-43F7-BD58-524FB9B0E173@frontier.com> <8CD654208CFEB7D-13B4-5843@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:58:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646dace05236e049717f776 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:58:12 +0000 (UTC) --00163646dace05236e049717f776 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Performance is a vehicle for entering different worlds of experiencing. -- Robert Fripp http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Andy Owens wrote: > Dont leave us in suspense, what was the answer????!!! Lemon or milk??? > > Andy Owens > 1-800-AndyOwens > Sent from my iPhone > So the typing might not be my best! > > > On Dec 10, 2010, at 3:11 PM, "Jeremy devros" > wrote: > > An anecdote: A friend of mine ran into him one time (somewhere NOT a music > venue) and being in awe -this was in the late '70s-blurted out the first > thing to come to his mind: "Mr. Fripp, do you like lemon or milk with your > tea?" He said Fripp chatted with him for about 15 minutes about tea. > > J..D..Devros > > ------------------------------ > To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia > From: pjbmhb@aol.com > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:54:42 -0500 > > Fripp actually has a great sense of humor, you just have to dig a bit. It's > there, below the surface, kind of like a tuber. > > [image: :-)]PJ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Shirkey > To: Loopers-Delight > Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:06 am > Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia > > > On Dec 7, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Kenn Lowy wrote: > > > He does allow pictures now. The announcement that was made before > > the concert was "no cameras with flash". He's mellowed a bit. > > > > I know he's revered here, but (I have to confess), he comes off as a > complete douche nozzle in just about every interview with him I've read. > > Jeff > > > > --00163646dace05236e049717f776 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Performance is a vehicle for entering differe= nt worlds of experiencing.=A0<= br style=3D"border-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"> -- Robert Fripp

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
<= a href=3D"http://audiozoloft.com" target=3D"_blank">http://audiozoloft.com<= /a>
http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/


On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Andy Ow= ens <andy@180= 0dialword.com> wrote:
Dont leave us in suspense, what was the answe= r????!!! Lemon or milk???

Andy Owens
1-8= 00-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be m= y best!

On Dec 10, 2010, at 3:11 PM, "Jeremy devros" <deafrose58@hotmail.com>= ; wrote:

An anecdote: A friend of mine ran into him one time (somewhere NOT a music = venue) and being in awe -this was in the late '70s-blurted out the firs= t thing to come to his mind: "Mr. Fripp, do you like lemon or milk wit= h your tea?" He said Fripp chatted with him for about 15 minutes about= tea.

J..D..Devros

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia
From: pjbmhb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 D= ec 2010 17:54:42 -0500

Fripp actually has a great sense of humor, you just have to dig a bit. I= t's there, below the surface, kind of like a tuber.

3D":-)"PJ



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@frontier.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:06 am
Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia


On Dec 7, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Kenn Lowy wrote:

> He does allow pictures now. The announcement that was made before =20
> the concert was "no cameras with flash". He's mellowed a=
 bit.
>

I know he's revered here, but (I have to confess), he comes off as a =
=20
complete douche nozzle in just about every interview with him I've read=
.

Jeff
=20
=20

--00163646dace05236e049717f776-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 03:39:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A2A818356A; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 03:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5Br1WJdM5Fasz7mDb5f1QnMHmYufzPWPWnXyTIu9Swo=; b=bbOfaBC0gIdT3JojfvF8RzX9vC6yW8TwGN56j6jSAgluRwKxT291O3FIJfeB+gQGmy Dwa6I1Pb/jypjlHv0ZZsRwHBNc4Mnt6XLKZ2zF3IIZ7oD42gwVR7XcP6Vr/duem2kEV0 6qvbHsYaCAMWywFkOFK6I+Swt5WeqmH5KiKhA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=D3iH/dTh9Vl+UFZ2nGI9/Vco33hSP3LVM2CBYmgU36AfIEfmdWB2HTpQRazksIoZ8m Z2FZ8UxFfWXFATV2M3cJ9xSuFv4+04/OUMYNKtSfeLtnJjuV1hLpyI40W7wCsSXozfgT c045J+TXEg7MlgMSUoshiXUgIAoNSmu54nlI8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4CFF6925.8020509@cruzio.com> References: <20101208092629.8B0231834F7@hemlock.violacea.com> <4CFF6925.8020509@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:39:07 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SUPERIOR DRUMS for looping From: Clifford Novey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367f9e029b1fa104971a3640 Resent-Message-ID: <_T0I5.A.Ob.eJvANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 03:39:11 +0000 (UTC) --0016367f9e029b1fa104971a3640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Rick, Thanks for the tip- I watched the video- looks like a well done app. I have found drum plugs with their associated midi libraries to be invaluable. There are a few other good ones IMO- Addictive Drums is great and I have used it a lot and cheaper(~$200)- and I hear good things about BFD Eco- have you peeped either of those? I am esp loving the drag and drop midi files of verse/chrous/bridge types and how quickly I can get a satisfying sound for demos and such. I am also considering these midi libraries as I do a lot in odd sigs and those are sorely missing and my dream of owning a kit or midi kit just isn't going to happen anytime soon in my small apartment. http://www.drumsondemand.com/content/odd-time-drum-loops http://www.oddgrooves.com/ Regards, Clifford --0016367f9e029b1fa104971a3640 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Rick,
Thanks for the tip- I watched the video- looks like a well do= ne app. I have found drum plugs with their associated midi libraries to be = invaluable. There are a few other good ones IMO- Addictive Drums is great a= nd I have used it a lot and cheaper(~$200)- and I hear good things about BF= D Eco- have you peeped either of those? I am esp loving the drag and drop m= idi files of verse/chrous/bridge types and how quickly I can get a satisfyi= ng sound for demos and such.

I am also considering these midi libraries as I do a lot in odd sigs an= d those are sorely missing and my dream of owning a kit or midi kit just is= n't going to happen anytime soon in my small apartment.

http://www.dr= umsondemand.com/content/odd-time-drum-loops

http://www.oddgrooves.com/

Regards,

Clifford
--0016367f9e029b1fa104971a3640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 05:58:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84589183565; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 05:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292047136; bh=u/D7uUb3R9vblum5jSGEZs66PADlLEn5alhovHU5DF8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wgVEwWeUtYJslp7M/pp5856x9ipJKNo/Hzak8nlvtToZL1RJThSkh8mcRjNt+yE7R+I2jI2456PQih1lLr8/H/xqOMW40ZDHr/4m8hNcbLcAASwuxK227bTyn5HcinBkYqKq+8aWRvbpXBmihh4iohjtrfBLPlvtmbhJIhXH45M= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cPpG4YtIzMxtUmsVdddV/iY5SW0b1gIOJ5qWUDX142ROqY7A3P2AanuFiCrELDrtotAlZfziCOBgYtr0faVHkl0oB8mvFwH31dRQD3O7RpbA3EhD2RbhbEYMYQtsYFVeF8nC4I8nxDKFlIClgsiaNsTVkN0Pgh++oNTmMVqpci0=; Message-ID: <167246.86890.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ECGRsaoVM1kLG2Sk8iiq.tjD_xuhUiMocfbiGKX5smOBNe5 Df831_cuFr9Mhd1g.O7K8GHU3b7PfWop_R34Enf8oKlXCe3WSU0p5hcKkDEl Ctb2Ns04ySvaNkBj1E1zYfbmwiUPZeKLW7NEzlM85AF2qWRcS8EMb4vk0SNy _DIXBcFIADOBhQgi0p0o1gF4dX1bEGCG02QmuZm9oglZTGwkWjgwgNke9NAZ XA43zcja7_S3mggH0CCXa1wyi4vguo4tFDxdluPIsMU8HIEXcqEFtQpJ0hkT Is0Sm9P4ZOaxlpI2P0W.VjN.V_N8jxpRW9N1_OOxb755kFdKtAI2UH_epo_A 9TivloRfSeKtivFy1r33OJrx2HAX_u2ldsc7tnv275D5eIFae7AVDrHBqK6u 3nG9BwCA5mz4- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:58:55 -0800 (PST) From: david kirkdorffer Subject: Trash My MP3 - UNDO Edition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-686205207-1292047135=:86890" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 05:58:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-686205207-1292047135=:86890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=A0 -=0A=0AThis is a rough mix of something I recorded 10-10-10. There ar= e a few things I =0Awant address in the mix, but the basic idea is here.. a= nd so now it's time to =0ATRASH MY MP3! :-)=0A=0Ahttp://soundcloud.com/undo= music/02-track-2=0A=0A=A0=0ADavid=0A=0A=0A --0-686205207-1292047135=:86890 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi  -
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This i= s a rough mix of something I recorded 10-10-10. There are a few things I wa= nt address in the mix, but the basic idea is here.. and so now it's time to= TRASH MY MP3! :-)

http://soundcloud.com/undomusic/02-track-2
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=0A=0A = --0-686205207-1292047135=:86890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 06:01:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED53918356A; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 06:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292047300; bh=6G7HkFPH5F0Q40F2JCZVttwDuFi5UJb1auBDNAw/b8w=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3aXe6W9dOMRvHSKBrO3nVoogklI0GHxjCXUOhGCH7Yi/f0wZDaFCSnPveRY+kTO0mdag6FKTSnh0mwPp6rqI1AVc500Uk4dZwX97sRLw180Mg127ZEzCIGY5HFWO18pxBm8wflhPQI77t9lH7Dfta7P8efOYX8bdtJkoI9iYGU8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lWVVPLUgnpFOJti5y24WY9tDccEmd3sWjOgFJcCTjU5BChSQkXGrA//O1Gr7cO3Ruz9Fp960SiNVsBqPX1lgqPf58+XcF8cbKJxJ+in4DraJHKjTNSbWjF1acurANh5MpkmaSFz4AmBaV2xIcqCqYh5YsiineTjYZV06b17XKfA=; Message-ID: <678508.70136.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qms59xgVM1kTZNYWOxA1.363do4HENmjl0uveEF9BURqn4w xsO9aUZaKYZRfLofnXpamxEqlfCtpgt7dXXgC3wYe5T4EbdWdtloRmW4sJP7 fv.xEtErDITA2LAwIvJ3mjUJjWnCl8eoqiOzdnFG9G8QtzmnI4R2k2x0s7SM pvVhAQS0fFNea.PcjMJ6xMd7razaxPuA0STDOqk0JyTFsVKrmnrzPLQP4n9Y k..jxcLsIrijwUzzuHJGvQRZmzXiyo9FpWcSB.68plzgEjHo0KGen_v_x0r5 O93qiseaqhyQiaTR80OR5Vx86P0Q0fKJEnhDs78_bgttbyXcMlbloY2aDPAj vlT.wCKWW9GKwX845g2B4IJJ.XUNvsMzCySCz.1YL3S6fOubvS40C5aROytL VD4MgMO4TPdk- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:01:40 -0800 (PST) From: david kirkdorffer Subject: LD - Digest - help! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1805219763-1292047300=:70136" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 06:01:41 +0000 (UTC) --0-1805219763-1292047300=:70136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know if the LD Digests are working correctly?=A0 It's as if the= =0Aformatting is all lost.=0AHelp! (sent privately, if at all=A0- as I won= 't be able to read it here (on LD) - =0ALOL :-)=0ARe: Gordius LG/quiet swit= ches=0AFriday, December 10, 2010 12:47:38 PM=0AFrom: =0A"Louie Angulo" =0ATo: =0A"" = =0A=A0Per wrote:
I love that the LG2 is so reliable! It only sends out t= he data =0Ayou have
programmed it to send out, the FCB is ju= st disastrous =0Awith that.
=A0
Per but you = never upgraded the FCB =0Awith the UnO chip, since i did i never had an iss= ue with it sending weird midi =0Amessages again,
and you can program i= t with the Ripwerx software or without =0Ait (unfortunately there isnt a re= liable Ripwerx software for mac;-(
but thats =0Ais still a pretty good b= argain for a foot controller id =0Asay!


=0A

<= br>






=A0
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at = 4:11 AM, =0AWilliam Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
=0A> =A0 =A0I just wante= d to let you know I got my Gordius Little Giant back =0Aafter
> its = Version 2 upgrade, and I love the way the new LCD graphic =0Adisplay looks<= br> > and the new flexibility of the 1/4 cc outputs on the back =0Aof wh= ich I haven't
> begun to scratch the surface . One cool thing = =0Aabout its LCD display is that
> it shows in large full screen num= bers =0Awhat patch I happen to be on and it
> has a screen saver mod= e. In its =0Aearlier version the characters where smaller
> and less= easy to see from =0Aa distance, This is great for my middle age
> p= eepers. Its been a work =0Ahorse since I got it, its built like a tank, its=
> switches have fast =0Aresponse and are quieter than most , though= I'm intrigued
> by =0AAndy's idea of putting some foam on t= he inside to dampen the acoustic
=0A> chamber aspect of the chassis = itself, to see if i can minimize =0Amechanical
> noise even further.= If it weren't for the fact that the =0Aoriginal =A0LCD screen
>= started to dim, I might have never considered the =0Aversion 2 firmware up= grade
> but I'm glad Xavier convinced me to do =0Ait. He made a = great piece of gear
> even better. Its never failed me 5 =0Ayears of= almost =A0daily use. =A0If I ever
> move to a lap top this will =0A= easily make the transition vis its USB port.
> =A0Since the LG also = has a =0Asecond pair of midi ins and outs, I have on
> occasion =A0b= een using an old =0Aroland FC-50 midi pedal as a remote to either
> = add more preset switches =0A=A0to control more parameters on my looperlativ= e, or
> use a slightly =0Aquieter remote switch in critical open mic= recording
> situations. The =0ARoland pedal switches like this are = about as quiet as they
> come =0Amechanical noise-wise but do become= creaky sounding with wear and tear,
> =0AThe FCB's switches are= a little noisier still to my ears with even more =0Awear
> related = issues, though as has been pointed out before, its =0Apossible to
> = trigger the Gordius switches with a very light touch and =0Acreate almost n= o
> mechanical noise.
> Bill
>
>
=0A


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=0A

= Does anyone know if the LD Digests are working correctly?  It's as if = the formatting is all lost.

=0A

He= lp! (sent privately, if at all - as I won't be able to read it here (o= n LD) - LOL :-)

=0A

Re: Gordius LG/quiet = switches

=0A
Friday, December 10, 2010 12:47:38 = PM
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From:
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"Louie Angulo" <louie.angu= lo@googlemail.com>
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To:
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"" <Loopers-De= light@loopers-delight.com>
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 = Per wrote:<br>I love that the LG2 is so reliable! It only sends out t= he data you have<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote c= lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli= d rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"> programmed it to send out, the = FCB is just disastrous with that.<br></blockquote><div>&n= bsp;</div><div>Per but you never upgraded the FCB with the UnO = chip, since i did i never had an issue with it sending weird midi messages = again, <br> and you can program it with the Ripwerx software or witho= ut it (unfortunately there isnt a reliable Ripwerx software for mac;-(<b= r>but thats is still a pretty good bargain for a foot controller id say!= <br></div><div><br><br> <br><br>&= lt;br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br= > </div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px so= lid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class=3D"h5= "> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:11 AM, William Walker &lt;<a rel=3D"= nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com" target=3D"_blank" href= =3D"mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com">billwalker@baymoon.com</a>&= gt; wrote:<br> &gt;    I just wanted to let you know I = got my Gordius Little Giant back after<br> &gt; its Version 2 upg= rade, and I love the way the new LCD graphic display looks<br> &g= t; and the new flexibility of the 1/4 cc outputs on the back of which I hav= en&#39;t<br> &gt; begun to scratch the surface . One cool thi= ng about its LCD display is that<br> &gt; it shows in large full = screen numbers what patch I happen to be on and it<br> &gt; has a= screen saver mode. In its earlier version the characters where smaller<= br> &gt; and less easy to see from a distance, This is great for my middle= age<br> &gt; peepers. Its been a work horse since I got it, its = built like a tank, its<br> &gt; switches have fast response and a= re quieter than most , though I&#39;m intrigued<br> &gt; by A= ndy&#39;s idea of putting some foam on the inside to dampen the acousti= c<br> &gt; chamber aspect of the chassis itself, to see if i can = minimize mechanical<br> &gt; noise even further. If it weren&= #39;t for the fact that the original  LCD screen<br> &gt; st= arted to dim, I might have never considered the version 2 firmware upgrade&= lt;br> &gt; but I&#39;m glad Xavier convinced me to do it. He ma= de a great piece of gear<br> &gt; even better. Its never failed m= e 5 years of almost  daily use.  If I ever<br> &gt; mov= e to a lap top this will easily make the transition vis its USB port.<br> &gt;  Since the LG also has a second pair of midi= ins and outs, I have on<br> &gt; occasion  been using an ol= d roland FC-50 midi pedal as a remote to either<br> &gt; add more= preset switches  to control more parameters on my looperlative, or<= ;br> &gt; use a slightly quieter remote switch in critical open mic = recording<br> &gt; situations. The Roland pedal switches like thi= s are about as quiet as they<br> &gt; come mechanical noise-wise = but do become creaky sounding with wear and tear,<br> &gt; The FC= B&#39;s switches are a little noisier still to my ears with even more w= ear<br> &gt; related issues, though as has been pointed out befor= e, its possible to<br> &gt; trigger the Gordius switches with a v= ery light touch and create almost no<br> &gt; mechanical noise.&l= t;br> &gt; Bill<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> <br> </div></div><br></block= quote></div><br>

=0A=0A --0-1805219763-1292047300=:70136-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 07:51:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECE2918356A; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 07:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:mime-version :content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to:references:message-id :x-mailer; bh=1Kw7ysKHrp4qhDucBjsHbOJPN4PVkQibVs/m4U58rpk=; b=Cbbbkrc/qS1oLaYBO+DkbM+NYP2tNRYyYomu3KLPDWx90OPdvkE27P5DcItmJameN0 oKcb6vlSVVMhjtgCGq0/DLaqlQE717oVq1KBW6KdnYVBC4RfIGiIinTCp2O+aPOfILva KlA/cesnJ20Fdq3Eu22KU/4wLaNe9PKB+/R3s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; b=lBWT+3Jmyiex/C2yPCxins4caAPJSLhyJISlDzxcCaInp4XkYTNpC1h3qohUVpEKcB EotPDxVJ6b5ShKIHM7j7zHx7t6ZYZNK7cTZAeO/lqIG2G8c85ISbX3IgE8l9i8NXoQ1d cXDvUwVyYcGsx30XbjcRml1xP9kQo+LmULioM= From: Myke Atkinson Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-68-214098162 Subject: Re: Trash My MP3 - UNDO Edition Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:51:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: <167246.86890.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <167246.86890.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 07:51:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-68-214098162 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very, very nice! -Myke On 2010-12-10, at 10:58 PM, david kirkdorffer wrote: > Hi - > =20 > This is a rough mix of something I recorded 10-10-10. There are a few = things I want address in the mix, but the basic idea is here.. and so = now it's time to TRASH MY MP3! :-) >=20 > http://soundcloud.com/undomusic/02-track-2 > =20 > David > =20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-68-214098162 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Very, very nice!

-Myke





On 2010-12-10, at 10:58 PM, david kirkdorffer = wrote:

Hi  = -
 
This is a = rough mix of something I recorded 10-10-10. There are a few things I = want address in the mix, but the basic idea is here.. and so now it's = time to TRASH MY MP3! :-)

http://soundcloud.com/undomusic/02-track-2
 
David
 



= --Apple-Mail-68-214098162-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 10:40:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 761B218356A; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GN/qKZPu0zeKZ6LHMJRsx7j2h9H168MQ+Q6koCv8K34=; b=Ls1OhCqJ4zhJwwAE4y1ooFOYBYKUd8sd7H8vt+uP+Igj3AfLsltfgSZQ5fOtZftWDd /cAiWsMWZyuRr2KwBAVs18sCrdiIYWj3dAsw8m7YxzZbBjR/XBg6Fjph0vKQIUSuQgFF VYjoDj99UzNVCSjm4ECAvEEUt8N67TfkZabwc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AkwfJqnDlr60ZE/IrL6A7XuBhjY6YZwbumxyeMEyeaLvz7SLUKml4pMBelzCWdApzg 1U8+dNQWFSK5kTL0L/Q5pYcBBOFIYl7+Jh1HSeGGbn5Q7NJC+ZJYBwdrGHY8lCwZwRhj 8xYGxRZ+aVmta/nvpVYLMmMx24rZyyvTccc1M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <167246.86890.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <167246.86890.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:40:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Trash My MP3 - UNDO Edition From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Sounds great and evolves with a nice flow over time. Good looping. Enjoyed it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:58 AM, david kirkdorffer wrote: > This is a rough mix of something I recorded 10-10-10. There are a few things > I want address in the mix, but the basic idea is here.. and so now it's time > to TRASH MY MP3! :-) > > http://soundcloud.com/undomusic/02-track-2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 10:55:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AF85183565; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Cords References: <167246.86890.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 05:52:12 -0500 To: Thread-Topic: Cords Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thread-index: AcuZIZTCjj0aBV3/QX6LKaOH8/7ZJg== MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2010 10:55:02.0349 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC8E87D0:01CB9921] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Hey guys, here's a seasonal tip for you. You know at Christmas they sell all= kinds of weird power cords and such at Lowes, Home Depot, etc? There are tw= o really nice types of extension cords that are great for stage setups. One i= s a twenty footer or so that is very heavy and has an outlet about every six= feet, great for stage setup. The other, new this year, is a heavy green pow= er cord that fans out to three receptacles.=20 Both great for stage setup and a good present for a musician.=20 Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 11, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Sounds great and evolves with a nice flow over time. Good looping. Enjoyed= it. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:58 AM, david kirkdorffer > wrote: >> This is a rough mix of something I recorded 10-10-10. There are a few thi= ngs >> I want address in the mix, but the basic idea is here.. and so now it's t= ime >> to TRASH MY MP3! :-) >>=20 >> http://soundcloud.com/undomusic/02-track-2 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 11:32:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3B4F183563; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=UWa0mBN4UuEkqrIpBG5Ymih4MzVIprT2FjF8baDuJkU=; b=DZNRiRFsmYtmgPlceBf8xkMseJCSk1fvUuq5wtDmBkWAEKywsMLT76DiEn6TVmKYaF CN+YuJ6Rm4GwgGNcK5gdMQQizIDkn3/jYp5mcE7IsShoJA8tUwcx55p7GWsuMx6TRGL0 ijP7aLn/bnYSLXx1uoxQVTE6z2SYOeYoDg9Gw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=APZu5UgSsQMkWemZI+cvj8uL4E7i7fqoNzg1LlxBlZ7tH7zejOIC7Ml7+liOJFjlNj V2mxWsluHX/MyOuE4XtMpqw7G+sU74g+sVdUBKVKlc3wOt/np0B/BVx+DsJ8tRqUJbEJ ywaFmhfFeM5hgGcgu45PxO+gTRYCZs5rAZqIA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:32:33 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: si6zEcllifzSeHOPRds_XqPFHVQ Message-ID: Subject: REALLY REALLY OT: Quick Visio job for me? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30434756e4af75049720d436 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:32:55 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30434756e4af75049720d436 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry about this, do any PC users have Visio on their machines? I have a 217 k .svg file, that is the Visio format. I now have a simerlar program (graffle) on my mac and need it transferred into the Viseo XML format. Can anyone do that for me? contact me offlist.. sorry for the really OT... m -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --20cf30434756e4af75049720d436 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry about this, do any PC users have Visio on their machines? I have a 21= 7 k .svg file, that is the Visio format. I now have a simerlar program (gra= ffle) on my mac and need it transferred into the Viseo XML format.

Can anyone do that for me?

contact me offlist..

sorry for the= really OT...

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--20cf30434756e4af75049720d436-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 11:53:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96CD4183579; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 544347495/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.148/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.148 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApEBAOv0Ak1YbRmU/2dsb2JhbAAH5T6FSgSOAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,328,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="544347495" Message-ID: <4D036621.1070107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:53:05 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, david kirkdorffer Subject: Re: LD - Digest - help! Nettiquette for everyone References: <678508.70136.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <678508.70136.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:53:05 +0000 (UTC) david kirkdorffer wrote: > > Does anyone know if the LD Digests are working correctly? It's as if > the formatting is all lost. > That happens when people send HTML mails to the list. ...and worse than that, anyone who replies to an HTML mail compounds the problem in all innocence. (the mail you sent is itself HTML) Email was designed to be text based only, so when Microsoft (I think it was) introduced HTML mails it was problematic for any mailing list with a digest The only workaround for you is to make a folder in your email client, and a filter that sends LD mails into it. ..and then leave the digest and sign up to the regular list. Having done that though, your experience will actually be better, and when you reply to mails the correct threading is preserved, which is good for everybody. Well, the other answer is that all list members could find Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com in their address books, open up the 'Properties' for it. ...and select would like to receive messages as "Plain Text". ...and then they hope it actually works. Unfortunately, whether a post is sent as HTML is usually automated, so even with the best intentions it's hard not to mess up the digest. andy ps I've unscrambled the post from Per you just re-sent (with an HTML editor) and forwarded it to you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 11:59:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69BF8183563; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DRAgRxwad7pO6q0Yiqn7kcXejhokA249NCW6XxhDc7o=; b=E0nm/BFIBM7Ptu/9Na0aeNeqdomDpvOJaqaYZSzwiLSIaXV+47K/XyjIOcfQWLrJbK /kF70j+hmDBBvA6VzAE6MXAUKqaokK5B6htfiGRZegytuifXAbeeDQcfgW/bJrLuYUqS HZef062r8JBOCHlki5HrB/5VJABsbIUkO0x44= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gvO4L4357CWqK5qPmq5do4tUznx8WTsia9Pj9PkT8GGHqJSL85kC+pQwiSpzq9O01q 8pl/XOi+TjVas5cyLkWeSpE5t5NygLtSY0+tUXjBVTupBgB/sffwzUhVWHLx4L9EBhYP y4JIIsSReXScvtdFbU8Zn0wvHzMBMya3bZYIE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D036621.1070107@tiscali.co.uk> References: <678508.70136.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4D036621.1070107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:59:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LD - Digest - help! Nettiquette for everyone From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:59:09 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:53 PM, andy butler wrote: > ps > I've unscrambled the post from Per you just re-sent (with an HTML editor) > and forwarded it to you. > Woops, sorry for that. My habit is to manually change HTML mails into text based when replying to the list but in this particular case I guess I was too busy or distracted. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 12:44:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3FBD183579; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=T6OLSFU0nBFfMgUkqDFhdLpZKqWB4sUYdcgkNlWFTxI=; b=lPGIY5qgEqKOiZXNphEWxrYqriL3Z4HhgHFCwvbBTC2G/lbt+96aIAukJTrPXUsoRT odQaYXewnhQbr85PbJ9I0IBFA6vUORIPi7LIdYgRviZiiOT3Bqz+0np4tpfcXzhVge8G De3CKkFTI2BNh0fwLsHP0KF7bnoDysiZ1s5wA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=YHmrwbDHBj6yujxJq34OIGy1/sRivw5Rlb4/v2YvNz6PrVvzkkoGe8neN2+xiTTAVb T3THfGfMJNUMy+UPx2EeOkOhao+DlZWQF6isghfBvqQbg7yI4K2dV1Xav9N7GUtCpJRe 3tIqcWmZNIPZzWxJPYWAW049M007tc1PFqoFs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:44:16 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd56b582b404b049721d4d5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:44:17 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd56b582b404b049721d4d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ok, so i downloaded TouchOSC for my ipod in the hope that i might be able to control some plugins with it (hosted in bidule) i've managed to get my ipod and bidule communicating - i can move my finger over the xy pad and see messages being received in bidule using the OSC monitor the problem i'm having, is that i have no idea ho to attach a plugin parameter to an OSC message. i see in the OSC server screen, that each parameter has an OSC address, but i have no clue what to do from that point on. anybody managed to figure this out? many thanks simeon --000e0cd56b582b404b049721d4d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, so i downloaded TouchOSC for my ipod in the hope that i might be able t= o control some plugins with it (hosted in bidule)

i've managed t= o get my ipod and bidule communicating - i can move my finger over the xy p= ad and see messages being received in bidule using the OSC monitor

the problem i'm having, is that i have no idea ho to attach a plugi= n parameter to an OSC message. i see in the OSC server screen, that each pa= rameter has an OSC address, but i have no clue what to do from that point o= n.

anybody managed to figure this out?

many thanks

simeon
--000e0cd56b582b404b049721d4d5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 13:06:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F37B183579; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TaVY6LCNS+ofFunP7Qg0quog5nf3VvdkG5EJEzu3l7I=; b=RwSfRwnlanEBoKnlYSXf6NrGL6Pk+SCaUaRWhAIwCHG1vkZAfanKAaIyvUM0yPxuXs g8B+G0BdjS6A0gUU19lsBGDy+LWhIzm/L51KrM6VUAT0W9AWD7SiQs6pWtwOxAdAGrO4 EPyAaZwDkdnPVVo1RNA4iFjBiegXJbmYpDSTk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QvUhXqBjtZUFyFmCd4Xlx0nmmLsVlBAwF/kf3GA54QtQMNCdkqf47p3PY+c0MVkIRt Ko8/oLFGi5UoJIpYylP73iehNqkcsEN11iOapplDEh9PXKCuZEDArWAJOCcBpdP+S/OP 4GwycJ6rxJ3PNoCvZ+dzKeplSQ8tAZGS8VxOI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 14:06:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <7Rc3C.A.6iF.pd3ANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:06:49 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > the problem i'm having, is that i have no idea ho to attach a plugin > parameter to an OSC message. i see in the OSC server screen, that each > parameter has an OSC address, but i have no clue what to do from that point > on. I suppose it is a similar procedure as when converting MIDI to Bidule control data; you cable in some "converter object" between the OSC input and your Bidule stuff. You may have to do some scaling as well to match the range of the target parameter. I guess someone at the Bidule forum would be happy to answer that! I had a lot of help from those guys when building my own Bidule environment. Please post your findings here! I just replaced my crappy old Ericsson with an iphone and thinking of replacing my Faderfox hand mixer/button pad with the iphone. BTW, speaking about wireless, I read up on user reviews of the Keynote app (since I do some speeches with big screen presentations) and one guy there sad that Bluetooth is too slow for real-time control. The Keynote app works over wifi which he thinks is better/faster. I still may go with Bluetooth if possible since I can plan it to only use it for stuff like changing preferences rather than direct musical looping action control. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 13:42:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E23EA183579; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bobJiIz9XL7Emk3X7MvALjFRuxHXBxPUlvmhyPCWyyU=; b=NCfZZgQ/u7rabJR+4ipiwcOhaMq+E4kPDlVaXgKvZngvw9i+0/PQuG28CoCWH+JbQl voxYVqwe0OpZkdRZ05fx8L/3/ad8qzSnj5lg0SFqZUaFPio4TkkF3vxpg996b2WDhqYM 77QcLEZdB0dcx683CtY3NYopWebydcVwY/cDs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=r5ixMx1qOZoM83WmT8B0pjEkOFFKpAYAME12WaGVmWeENonB3+ZYi7iH7ZRfPElCre zBYTlN4PNqN6DmuydIsM70d4yw4g8vP4bk9J1OqCMcqEH382O/LjsOvt3qN0I3Y0usnE qpCGTFqJmgBkn4/JuuBzqC4DrDdUCq4IXe52M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:42:41 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd47df8152540049722a5fa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:42:43 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd47df8152540049722a5fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ok will do per. i'll report back my findings sim On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Simeon Harris > wrote: > > the problem i'm having, is that i have no idea ho to attach a plugin > > parameter to an OSC message. i see in the OSC server screen, that each > > parameter has an OSC address, but i have no clue what to do from that > point > > on. > > I suppose it is a similar procedure as when converting MIDI to Bidule > control data; you cable in some "converter object" between the OSC > input and your Bidule stuff. You may have to do some scaling as well > to match the range of the target parameter. I guess someone at the > Bidule forum would be happy to answer that! I had a lot of help from > those guys when building my own Bidule environment. > > Please post your findings here! I just replaced my crappy old Ericsson > with an iphone and thinking of replacing my Faderfox hand mixer/button > pad with the iphone. > > BTW, speaking about wireless, I read up on user reviews of the Keynote > app (since I do some speeches with big screen presentations) and one > guy there sad that Bluetooth is too slow for real-time control. The > Keynote app works over wifi which he thinks is better/faster. I still > may go with Bluetooth if possible since I can plan it to only use it > for stuff like changing preferences rather than direct musical looping > action control. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > --000e0cd47df8152540049722a5fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 ok will do per.

i'll report back my findings

sim

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Simeon Harris
<simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
> the problem i'm having, is that i have no idea ho to attach a plugin
> parameter to an OSC message. i see in the OSC server screen, that each
> parameter has an OSC address, but i have no clue what to do from that point
> on.

I suppose it is a similar procedure as when converting MIDI to Bidule
control data; you cable in some "converter object" between the OSC
input and your Bidule stuff. You may have to do some scaling as well
to match the range of the target parameter. I guess someone at the
Bidule forum would be happy to answer that! I had a lot of help from
those guys when building my own Bidule environment.

Please post your findings here! I just replaced my crappy old Ericsson
with an iphone and thinking of replacing my Faderfox hand mixer/button
pad with the iphone.

BTW, speaking about wireless, I read up on user reviews of the Keynote
app (since I do some speeches with big screen presentations) and one
guy there sad that Bluetooth is too slow for real-time control. The
Keynote app works over wifi which he thinks is better/faster. I still
may go with Bluetooth if possible since I can plan it to only use it
for stuff like changing preferences rather than direct musical looping
action control.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub


--000e0cd47df8152540049722a5fa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 14:00:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20477183578; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 14:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jTL/8Ya+cr1te+M2ZycLaenK+rqtquW3ncreS5dSXRc=; b=dH647e03pIFjDVOh3kG5cuYONuEQAZIUWGMw1xLSfXc89HHVfM+l5ccwbAiW8FtN33 R1kGvBcJm6EzZOQmcPA6hjzD2+XuJPEvRzH3Jp+/ntMPhG6h5TsAedHRLAns2Z+UyNLj 4Fnz/1hgVc1zteXsKbdyJpFmyZGyfgpxUJZTo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=t2Rrkk7rDqBrFNRUqdvF9FMBvmcgNiinltJqzMyziSjCSj+cMb9LJnOHuoPvLjPRfn KsuSsSltvOQgBgouzD1zDzu/QxvVGih0/nk5cZ+mldli02sIBpDiKHIGjAIY0aVkxBW3 7Vc3aTMjTfFFieUapl3QWBvYwh9fFr4jP+q8I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 09:00:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: REALLY REALLY OT: Quick Visio job for me? From: "Jim W." To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 14:00:38 +0000 (UTC) I no longer have visio on my machine but I believe Draw inside the free open office suite will do the conversion. Open office is fantastic for dealing with file compatibility and MS &other business suite products. On Saturday, December 11, 2010, mark francombe wrote: > Sorry about this, do any PC users have Visio on their machines? I have a 217 k .svg file, that is the Visio format. I now have a simerlar program (graffle) on my mac and need it transferred into the Viseo XML format. > > Can anyone do that for me? > > contact me offlist.. > > sorry for the really OT... > > m > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 15:19:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 175E0183579; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 15:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kWNgTUDJtNTAtZA3fxLAI53/i7qXaOJAhUjuIJXL3V4=; b=fbUZNuGj4aXuNH1rb1Fe0skd55yWDOL8H75ELvGEFRZ3wFlI9mNASQ1v1diIfGvDcB eAWfKHvnMTJIIMU260n2WFjL2+BSw5bRv4OILJ8IXFiW/017FKYx16S5jfLZLOpXmsXU aqbtWBOybGztcuWDMQcZT4Eso2/Q0U+E9nkW0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XWWbyjurPIUZ6O1xjnchMtgL/kBnc4qDswT1L7Ea3xdmXKYcNzMfRM/YSKCm3t27Hp eBv8FhH1yVmCAP4hYF+dviOWkoLxsWRRx39PxcTrB3canvErC9O162776IN/ZLFHwUgZ Wi7jA+F+4zy2qlhobUk9mUa+VA8Kj/oFWhkEE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:19:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: REALLY REALLY OT: Quick Visio job for me? From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 15:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Mark microsoft offers a visio viewer for free dl however won't help you if yu have to edit but believe you can print from it. Go to http://www.microsoft.com/downloads and brOwse for it as 'visio viewer'. Regards. And happy holidays, jim On 12/11/10, Jim W. wrote: > I no longer have visio on my machine but I believe Draw inside the > free open office suite will do the conversion. Open office is > fantastic for dealing with file compatibility and MS &other business > suite products. > > On Saturday, December 11, 2010, mark francombe > wrote: >> Sorry about this, do any PC users have Visio on their machines? I have a >> 217 k .svg file, that is the Visio format. I now have a simerlar program >> (graffle) on my mac and need it transferred into the Viseo XML format. >> >> Can anyone do that for me? >> >> contact me offlist.. >> >> sorry for the really OT... >> >> m >> -- >> mark francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> > > --=20 Sent from my mobile device >From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 16:08:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74EAD18356A; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tcwGYR//bLX4+1YtQhlvoMSGWhFjq6ib0UhAAoq0PL8=; b=JD6kd8jWDsrhK/6gKIC9WaLKNA6SfwsppEmtmyuhozoVN14jJ5DRtiGOiUsLxhIawu 57AJ4IraUy6huLu0TQD+EGJ2UjOBCMx6R6x0f1cHR8WuKpreNYyxkrRNJi1FZWmUVPR1 owBkLWQaXRm4EyPiuc4sx+p/yp4hyxZoWDkGY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=pbiRsY1qquUZd6Z4Oa6oFTS4z5FgLHEb1TKqFg3z1ZIeTDxnp3XjyDfyRIdhKNEQLc tmTBZiwaBhAurLlYD24vfw8n2sjhoVdqnmijeKFckVXgp3FZZ5kFIN/t58j77blmAL+C aX1BYJ0zbFv8d1hqZ558jsq3SdiOxOAqZtIBo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:07:54 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3f89a71a765049724aca0 Resent-Message-ID: <8zWfYB.A.R8B.lH6ANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:08:05 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd3f89a71a765049724aca0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 well having spent all day messing with touchosc and having no joy and no response from the plogue forum, i gave up and downloaded ITM midiLab. had it working in 10 minutes. midilab is free, so you can do a basic test to see if it works and then they have more specialist apps with more features for the same price as touchosc. might be worth a look, per. sim On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > ok will do per. > > i'll report back my findings > > sim > > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Simeon Harris >> wrote: >> > the problem i'm having, is that i have no idea ho to attach a plugin >> > parameter to an OSC message. i see in the OSC server screen, that each >> > parameter has an OSC address, but i have no clue what to do from that >> point >> > on. >> >> I suppose it is a similar procedure as when converting MIDI to Bidule >> control data; you cable in some "converter object" between the OSC >> input and your Bidule stuff. You may have to do some scaling as well >> to match the range of the target parameter. I guess someone at the >> Bidule forum would be happy to answer that! I had a lot of help from >> those guys when building my own Bidule environment. >> >> Please post your findings here! I just replaced my crappy old Ericsson >> with an iphone and thinking of replacing my Faderfox hand mixer/button >> pad with the iphone. >> >> BTW, speaking about wireless, I read up on user reviews of the Keynote >> app (since I do some speeches with big screen presentations) and one >> guy there sad that Bluetooth is too slow for real-time control. The >> Keynote app works over wifi which he thinks is better/faster. I still >> may go with Bluetooth if possible since I can plan it to only use it >> for stuff like changing preferences rather than direct musical looping >> action control. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se >> www.perboysen.com >> www.looproom.com internet music hub >> >> > --000e0cd3f89a71a765049724aca0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well having spent all day messing with touchosc and having no joy and no re= sponse from the plogue forum, i gave up and downloaded ITM midiLab. had it = working in 10 minutes. midilab is free, so you can do a basic test to see i= f it works and then they have more specialist apps with more features for t= he same price as touchosc. might be worth a look, per.

sim

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:42 PM, = Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
ok will do per.

i'll report back my findings

sim


On Sat, Dec 11,= 2010 at 1:06 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
On Sat, Dec = 11, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Simeon Harris
<sime= onharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
> the problem i'm having, is that i have no idea ho to attach a plug= in
> parameter to an OSC message. i see in the OSC server screen, that each=
> parameter has an OSC address, but i have no clue what to do from that = point
> on.

I suppose it is a similar procedure as when converting MIDI to Bidule=
control data; you cable in some "converter object" between the OS= C
input and your Bidule stuff. You may have to do some scaling as well
to match the range of the target parameter. I guess someone at the
Bidule forum would be happy to answer that! I had a lot of help from
those guys when building my own Bidule environment.

Please post your findings here! I just replaced my crappy old Ericsson
with an iphone and thinking of replacing my Faderfox hand mixer/button
pad with the iphone.

BTW, speaking about wireless, I read up on user reviews of the Keynote
app (since I do some speeches with big screen presentations) and one
guy there sad that Bluetooth is too slow for real-time control. The
Keynote app works over wifi which he thinks is better/faster. I still
may go with Bluetooth if possible since I can plan it to only use it
for stuff like changing preferences rather than direct musical looping
action control.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub



--000e0cd3f89a71a765049724aca0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 16:13:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DEDF183563; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ndFMxcZFTGMcL+reAgAfr3DmGLaag0niQNak2LcowMk=; b=XLbZ/y2h84t0nCGjxKwQItdDtUmzc4bS3me0lKWCdTIlW8sB0asSf5Q6QB0XiQT99W PN9GSO945vc+sWmqnfxjDWSFOZ5vXyL59TLrneIAClNIoOmqSLqZfKgFzioN0xqKfku5 RDVt+TcAzULQHZvB0FPuVneiK+v8oksx/xPIw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=q/GvRDhHF7RnmTjSRNR/MdAo6ujVkcTu/Go6zkZYVOEnDRgaCMVjgs8WCnQCIdn+TO VIWFuG40wYQmOwMsVzAgjkhGXiGv2MqeZc5nYR5QK2TPbO+UPxJ/9moeI4q62ej/PLN7 3TjUuP9CB4j5UsbDmgXq+yd6FPg5wjIf2ct3s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:13:15 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd47df8983e18049724bffc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:13:18 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd47df8983e18049724bffc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 per - this is the one that might interest you - http://www.itouchmidi.com/?q=node/32 btw - latency was minimal using the XY pad included with midilab sim On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > well having spent all day messing with touchosc and having no joy and no > response from the plogue forum, i gave up and downloaded ITM midiLab. had it > working in 10 minutes. midilab is free, so you can do a basic test to see if > it works and then they have more specialist apps with more features for the > same price as touchosc. might be worth a look, per. > > sim > > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Simeon Harris < > simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> ok will do per. >> >> i'll report back my findings >> >> sim >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Simeon Harris >>> wrote: >>> > the problem i'm having, is that i have no idea ho to attach a plugin >>> > parameter to an OSC message. i see in the OSC server screen, that each >>> > parameter has an OSC address, but i have no clue what to do from that >>> point >>> > on. >>> >>> I suppose it is a similar procedure as when converting MIDI to Bidule >>> control data; you cable in some "converter object" between the OSC >>> input and your Bidule stuff. You may have to do some scaling as well >>> to match the range of the target parameter. I guess someone at the >>> Bidule forum would be happy to answer that! I had a lot of help from >>> those guys when building my own Bidule environment. >>> >>> Please post your findings here! I just replaced my crappy old Ericsson >>> with an iphone and thinking of replacing my Faderfox hand mixer/button >>> pad with the iphone. >>> >>> BTW, speaking about wireless, I read up on user reviews of the Keynote >>> app (since I do some speeches with big screen presentations) and one >>> guy there sad that Bluetooth is too slow for real-time control. The >>> Keynote app works over wifi which he thinks is better/faster. I still >>> may go with Bluetooth if possible since I can plan it to only use it >>> for stuff like changing preferences rather than direct musical looping >>> action control. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.boysen.se >>> www.perboysen.com >>> www.looproom.com internet music hub >>> >>> >> > --000e0cd47df8983e18049724bffc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable per - this is the one that might interest you - http://www.itouchmidi.com/?q=3Dnode/32

b= tw - latency was minimal using the XY pad included with midilab

sim<= br>
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Simeon Harr= is <s= imeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
well having spent all day messing with touchosc and having no joy and no re= sponse from the plogue forum, i gave up and downloaded ITM midiLab. had it = working in 10 minutes. midilab is free, so you can do a basic test to see i= f it works and then they have more specialist apps with more features for t= he same price as touchosc. might be worth a look, per.

sim


On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris4= 0@googlemail.com> wrote:
ok will do per.

i'll report back my findings

sim


On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:06= PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Dec = 11, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Simeon Harris
<sime= onharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
> the problem i'm having, is that i have no idea ho to attach a plug= in
> parameter to an OSC message. i see in the OSC server screen, that each=
> parameter has an OSC address, but i have no clue what to do from that = point
> on.

I suppose it is a similar procedure as when converting MIDI to Bidule=
control data; you cable in some "converter object" between the OS= C
input and your Bidule stuff. You may have to do some scaling as well
to match the range of the target parameter. I guess someone at the
Bidule forum would be happy to answer that! I had a lot of help from
those guys when building my own Bidule environment.

Please post your findings here! I just replaced my crappy old Ericsson
with an iphone and thinking of replacing my Faderfox hand mixer/button
pad with the iphone.

BTW, speaking about wireless, I read up on user reviews of the Keynote
app (since I do some speeches with big screen presentations) and one
guy there sad that Bluetooth is too slow for real-time control. The
Keynote app works over wifi which he thinks is better/faster. I still
may go with Bluetooth if possible since I can plan it to only use it
for stuff like changing preferences rather than direct musical looping
action control.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub




--000e0cd47df8983e18049724bffc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 16:16:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB156183578; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:16:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - business.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:16:43 +0000 (UTC) If you're on a Mac you can also use Osculator to convert TouchOSC messages into MIDI for use with any application. =20 www.osculator.net Jeff Oh, and the next release of Mobius will have built-in support for = TouchOSC without needing a converter. On Dec 11, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > well having spent all day messing with touchosc and having no joy and = no response from the plogue forum, i gave up and downloaded ITM midiLab. = had it working in 10 minutes. midilab is free, so you can do a basic = test to see if it works and then they have more specialist apps with = more features for the same price as touchosc. might be worth a look, = per. >=20 > sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 17:17:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F65A183579; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 17:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YwV5UTTF1dj+fVkpvLVY+4QJTHJ3BAsWjtxsQkit/WA=; b=Yk59S7if1RyXhewdHoIbmvLYF7UHzuQ/R2ld//VGonlfv7q3cJeYDQR8t0SZZcisre ZvNVpfWbD7aIkR/7ZbZjB9MJs7Ofgn4NtMvObc24FHBWqtiWKbJgU1o7qJ6fW3llm8Ib F5aTsclPVVvEFCwkhSgxVHNs3yVhb9S3QJHbU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=xcuOSPAA+AS1Sb4GhJK/+Am7UzTNJGMQ6owZ36TILEO93E18lQGXG4cl7Mq3P4sc+D 1scXp6GkhP8kPYOE+htIveAQwVfOe33rpigWPbg5dffICAXszRuxewDxxeAkr2ZTa/CS Kj344qPVvo4O/fmNzgj/SkUnOA7EY1Y5FLUCo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 17:17:36 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd486b2bbd252049725a588 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 17:17:38 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd486b2bbd252049725a588 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 cool! Jeff > > Oh, and the next release of Mobius will have built-in support for TouchOSC > without > needing a converter. > > --000e0cd486b2bbd252049725a588 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 cool!

Jeff

Oh, and the next release of Mobius will have built-in support for TouchOSC without
needing a converter.

--000e0cd486b2bbd252049725a588-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 18:59:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25EC1183563; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 544485907/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.148/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.148 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvIBAIhYA01YbRmU/2dsb2JhbAAHlWHOd4VKBI4B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,329,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="544485907" Message-ID: <4D03CA1E.10206@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:59:42 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1plpR.A.ivH.do8ANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:59:41 +0000 (UTC) OSC Server Implementation First to enable the OSC Server part of Bidule, you need to go the OSC Server dialog by selecting OSC Server from the Tools menu. You need to select a port for Bidule to listen for messages (Note: you might need to change your firewall software settings to allow incoming messages to that port), the default one should be fine but you can change it. Every parameter of every bidule that is available for parameter linking is also available for control through OSC. Each parameter has an address to receive values, the address is built automatically from the location and name of the bidule as well as the parameter name. The location of a bidule is the "path" to it (look at the bottom left of the patchbay when you're inside a group to get the idea) so for example a group named Freeverb in the root of the layout would be /Freeverb, now if we wish to control the mode of the effect, the address would be /Freeverb/Mode. Take note that some characters (like spaces) are reserved and this might change the "expected" address so your best bet is to look into the OSC Server dialog and see the name that is there. Each parameter expect to receive values within its range (click the Params button on the bidule's window to see them). Parameters that are a drop down box with a list of choices will also accept a string representing an available choice. These two address also exists: /play : to start/stop the processing (parameter: 1 or "true" to start audio, 0 or "false" to stop it) /open : force the loading of a .bidule file (parameter: the path to the bidule file on the machine) Simeon Harris wrote: > cool! > > Jeff > > Oh, and the next release of Mobius will have built-in support for > TouchOSC without > needing a converter. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 19:03:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD845183563; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=R0DvSms5hpJaUmu7urUCyn3qUtJxlNYuP9jv3gM1bxM=; b=qiX7TIOWgK6NPvCj/giCF795KS5qSFnrAqjXFu4FfPb7zHf445OxSV/KWJ+jkt43DT p7e+TermJ5QKLVbCaSidi0PH4QOgzFc4JBvxeDjgcEHe+hpDgpsTdAj+ryS3D5RzJBrK Qi9BipE+XC4+trsCyxOtRqvJE1voOEI/M0OV4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=w6iRpAEN4japlbUwmAI5s95V12/Rm1aM9q2GCbYf2Ul1yDLkh15zIthEg8TneWsYQQ qIzLpf9VT13bvOrotrIaALZvKxp8fMi3/dTQewmlUcXRfxm38S5CP9H+DzpXyyRPzk3c qvRFCFK+A0rh1VZGwM6xS/UVSKr4JfWkozCPA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:03:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <6_Dr4.A.z5H.1r8ANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:03:17 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > www.osculator.net Downloading Osculator now. Will use it with Touch OSC. Can't be too difficult to assign OSC data to generate the MIDI events that target your music applications. I have to fix my Mobius rig in Mainstage for the iphone... guess I can just tell the Osulator to generate the same MIDI events I now use the Faderfox for. Never thought I would find something smaller and more portable than the Faderfox :-) Sim, What functions are you planning to tweak from the iphone? Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 19:04:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 230FC183579; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:04:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:references:from :content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=jjgS7JOJJZ2RZxPftiz2Bx0WDdjf8yKetzLvon0z3SI=; b=Ysq/4LqpoeQFwg27AfRybNR8FCqOYiblOmO3Rc170u545YrIQ7z8OmlU4t9Yzfnhtq giQr6iAWVULaA7y8hd6xNphuY38nhQBpoRC8wNOaKZfFyE01o9v3KANlB8HPj5bnPrUt 4r3k0k1z/hZEWr5uUQT/Rmi3GBG48J1EbwzQI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=HAHenDdDz7KNI2LVgKkqp/ZjWaRb/oHqLCq+vSBxcqtF/E/toIcBdAB2V+EYRlC5/u 9p7t3dWbD/uQ/ZJalwxjOetOGN4fVXxzcc1c0GbdvmW2UfGDzNw62AiEtOeL0XjzPh1C JYV07YdD2dC//2SNtQl0osoqJX9ZzNdwPkVkk= Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! References: <4D03CA1E.10206@tiscali.co.uk> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8B117) In-Reply-To: <4D03CA1E.10206@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <5B7BF579-3228-498A-A583-7C213B159DB9@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:06:28 +0000 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8B117) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:04:58 +0000 (UTC) Thanks andy, I already read this. It's only half the process. You're suppose= d to paste the o/c address into one of the osc bidules ( doesn't say which o= ne) and them connect the bidule ( doesn't say how or where to) Sim Sent from my iPod On 11 Dec 2010, at 18:59, andy butler wrote: > OSC Server Implementation > First to enable the OSC Server part of Bidule, you need to go the OSC Serv= er dialog by selecting OSC Server from the Tools menu. You need to select a p= ort for Bidule to listen for messages (Note: you might need to change your f= irewall software settings to allow incoming messages to that port), the defa= ult one should be fine but you can change it.=20 > Every parameter of every bidule that is available for parameter linking is= also available for control through OSC. Each parameter has an address to re= ceive values, the address is built automatically from the location and name o= f the bidule as well as the parameter name. The location of a bidule is the "= path" to it (look at the bottom left of the patchbay when you're inside a gr= oup to get the idea) so for example a group named Freeverb in the root of th= e layout would be /Freeverb, now if we wish to control the mode of the effec= t, the address would be /Freeverb/Mode. Take note that some characters (like= spaces) are reserved and this might change the "expected" address so your b= est bet is to look into the OSC Server dialog and see the name that is there= .=20 > Each parameter expect to receive values within its range (click the Params= button on the bidule's window to see them). Parameters that are a drop down= box with a list of choices will also accept a string representing an availa= ble choice.=20 > These two address also exists: /play : to start/stop the processing (param= eter: 1 or "true" to start audio, 0 or "false" to stop it) /open : force the= loading of a .bidule file (parameter: the path to the bidule file on the ma= chine)=20 >=20 > Simeon Harris wrote: >> cool! >> Jeff >> Oh, and the next release of Mobius will have built-in support for >> TouchOSC without >> needing a converter. >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 19:07:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AD42183579; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:references:from :content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=+DboK6eJOvY+TSAob/alGp/oZUQeLM5NGRIK94ezX28=; b=xgtye91+krT6x0rqa1EdWUtIdbpzZ/KYtTYPiECR2tUA1Gj3APsTT98sUSFoVOYijo vEBA9ZwDSBDEXKwKf6/GY3c0kbxll+SmDTmNkOx7JmYCN2J55fDeO+Q4eErOt57dATY8 3GgEwVcQSc3UmXyJ8/F6tAuh/egyge0vJGK+Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=DvQ4s84U8rZ8McxZzYM2SB2En5/EPmFoi2fce8Qf+Lo4rYI7u5uNplujnZ62LJqBaZ 0DQBn5n/CcpAB7OxV6D4sDnZm3Ea+rjbWeiEK+S/YPYD1kllowF/m9zhv6QWtZjl2M5z F7AxONfs+waRIy1KiPeOydYtK9sw09TLzKQeE= Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! References: From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8B117) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:08:55 +0000 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8B117) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, that should be easy. I didn't want to pay for osculator, as I only wan= ted to rig up an analog delay plugin to an xy controller.=20 Sim Sent from my iPod On 11 Dec 2010, at 19:03, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: >> www.osculator.net >=20 > Downloading Osculator now. Will use it with Touch OSC. Can't be too > difficult to assign OSC data to generate the MIDI events that target > your music applications. I have to fix my Mobius rig in Mainstage for > the iphone... guess I can just tell the Osulator to generate the same > MIDI events I now use the Faderfox for. Never thought I would find > something smaller and more portable than the Faderfox :-) >=20 > Sim, > What functions are you planning to tweak from the iphone? >=20 > Per >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 19:14:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92F1418358A; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5iFMCmneA2lw6OLi7QgvYc0aY4xWF+7UckrCmq46Bx0=; b=hKFnXS3RJFA0pyKx9RfwevF2H5JlPXe+aB5kuJ8t4o8ICtb3nHrhfHleUFpCc9eYJ4 zFEszSSz7TA2/pYpYa42J81jsXuD+tUwBmppwvF4z/RMzXk/+ueKDJqqpTnFWQTU9IRj 3KpztYrMilK3thF+ImTvYy/fdLW8UfvT3Ubgk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Wd3+f2xWh6jHMek1rQy/XeLSBG8kd3yhnctohdACSNOfrI/jWGLiN3OaRbdCocZQ7U 7A44mNtyg9w0iA2XMlvjvtlQHztP3ZlUlHVieT1Tg5H1tBiBkelwkRuQwKGh1i/2eyPV OmPDLSWHoFAUouS1vyBsmlDy8PTkMFBmn4fKQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D03CA1E.10206@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4D03CA1E.10206@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:14:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:14:40 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:59 PM, andy butler wrote: > OSC Server Implementation Thanks for those fine Bidule OSC hints, Andy. Maybe I should plan on brushing up my old Bidule/Mobius environment. Last time I used was when we played together in Norwich ;-) With the latest version Mainstage blocks out computer key control of third-party plug-ins and I miss being able to manipulate Mobius from the keys. And now with this OSC thing coming also to Mobius... wow! Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 19:32:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBB0018358A; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=NIZ1JfC6ha3CRQoZ9i2lmjMsHHKYxv66BjY0l7o+GYU=; b=QAG7MMPbqKdPuF3c1TvksywUo04yER594BsSFr2/amxMYFQ0e9VmFwY5s8KWd5+I60 S6ULT5n1/UeVoNuT3X+W6c3+6BoWzKoqbPldJ3YoyjoghFJ7kR1XeX2DXlX8z25y5WBT fJ8PUSV77CG4p42buUXYto6afeBWlB1q5hjS4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=FZP1feOf9uNfOAfJKGahBoXZGnRep+pgNVNYAERMCOrsnKdURtdC9Sul9jXIaCofEZ A6u46YgNbioWHPPyDQoqMvEVyvDysFJth0LN8SXORWbTqf9tNK4uXfohEUm32mIXz+m2 b9oPLqvMtdoIFKw4qmZoorx9OwXBPdmFhYcLY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:31:56 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: r6JmzO-jfYc4xBgXcLd1AhG5cZU Message-ID: Subject: Re: REALLY REALLY OT: Quick Visio job for me? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8cce56c17204972787df Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:32:18 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8cce56c17204972787df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my thing is to convert from visio svg to visio xml, so that i can inport into a mac equivalent.. thx m On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Jim Goodin wrote= : > Mark microsoft offers a visio viewer for free dl however won't help > you if yu have to edit but believe you can print from it. Go to > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads and brOwse for it as 'visio > viewer'. > > Regards. And happy holidays, jim > > On 12/11/10, Jim W. wrote: > > I no longer have visio on my machine but I believe Draw inside the > > free open office suite will do the conversion. Open office is > > fantastic for dealing with file compatibility and MS &other business > > suite products. > > > > On Saturday, December 11, 2010, mark francombe > > wrote: > >> Sorry about this, do any PC users have Visio on their machines? I have= a > >> 217 k .svg file, that is the Visio format. I now have a simerlar progr= am > >> (graffle) on my mac and need it transferred into the Viseo XML format. > >> > >> Can anyone do that for me? > >> > >> contact me offlist.. > >> > >> sorry for the really OT... > >> > >> m > >> -- > >> mark francombe > >> www.markfrancombe.com > >> www.ordoabkhao.com > >> twitter @markfrancombe > >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 > >> http://www.looop.no > >> > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim > Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. > jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. > > www.jimgoodinmusic.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com > > --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8cce56c17204972787df Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my thing is to convert from visio svg to visio xml, so that i can inport in= to a mac equivalent..

thx

m

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark microsoft of= fers a visio viewer for free dl however won't help
you if yu have to edit but believe you can print from it. =A0Go to
http://www= .microsoft.com/downloads and brOwse for it as 'visio
viewer'.

Regards. And happy holidays, jim

On 12/11/10, Jim W. <synchro1@gmai= l.com> wrote:
> I no longer have visio on my machine but I believe Draw inside the
> free open office suite will do the conversion. Open office is
> fantastic for dealing with file compatibility and MS &other busine= ss
> suite products.
>
> On Saturday, December 11, 2010, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> wrote:
>> Sorry about this, do any PC users have Visio on their machines? I = have a
>> 217 k .svg file, that is the Visio format. I now have a simerlar p= rogram
>> (graffle) on my mac and need it transferred into the Viseo XML for= mat.
>>
>> Can anyone do that for me?
>>
>> contact me offlist..
>>
>> sorry for the really OT...
>>
>> m
>> --
>> mark francombe
>> www.mar= kfrancombe.com
>> www.ordoab= khao.com
>> twitter @markfrancombe
>> http://v= imeo.com/user825094
>> http://www.looop= .no
>>
>
>

--
Sent from my mobile device

>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim
Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. =A0Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
jimgo= odinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

www.jimgoodinmu= sic.com
www.chinapa= intingmusic.com
woodand= wiremusic.wordpress.com




--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancomb= e
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e8cce56c17204972787df-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 19:35:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BC82183597; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4n6vqLSamvk5tRXeVF23CL4dTA8b3SgWe5B7MDQQWX8=; b=xvkRzr3lJ56z+0+T9t9+IVmosAu6ZU2Vt6u0sRpabBSXE7g1K+J8zdETYLYj6WmFmk g4/9C2JqpYb7yZ8RwO6JVTf1y+QySWhtS1yqp6r6pxM0PVEd1U8raRxECcjZzPj5Yxzu hPXvJ5Z+BZEPodoB1Lq0Pork8hrONWEpynKFo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=tpzX8ai9HtD9W2Hge9wZ9icUvp1TM1UndhETmRpj8Mt/fP0d2QwLve476iT2YHMe51 yiayQvZn2GlsOXGd08eo3InxdVL3hXKszbtdD7zAcQcUxHKLu7GRbik30AVO9lePPkOR O5Xch1r5HQRVLhVm+bL+mleo1qgrfA4m8epUE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:35:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:35:33 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Gmail wrote: > Yeah, that should be easy. I didn't want to pay for osculator, as I only wanted to rig up an analog delay plugin to an xy controller. OSCulator works as a demo for a couple of minutes, so you may test things out. But I can't make it talk to the other softboys here. I run TouchOSC Mix 16 on the iphone set to OSC Output port 8000. Then I load OSCulator with the "TouchOSC to MIDI - Mix16" template and set to OSC Input port 8000. My MIDI applications do detect the "OSCulator Out" virtual MIDI port but when juggling the touch screen objects on the iphone no MIDI is generated by OSCulator. I don't think I will buy an authorization for it. Seems too fiddly. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 19:42:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFC841835A1; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bXUk/8YmiPtJQHeQvyzQ8/sOTcUzONW5YntBnLpWCh8=; b=KMrmuJIa19EotjLtrgmsquPZX/2npCvFja0hrjn9mOVV/i/7WM0Y0MiBfPDesGdIZN p5DEx2cIAwdnyRNigBjusp53InJ3LDpYqoES9HnkPJHJi+m8yIv/V7sKS4ECbm+6jafn If84/GYM73PF4keBrn/J7MWhs/PqSuumESlUQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=d5syd6QltDhjju2tpup6snJDNDY/wEGr8Hq8DYNhwPoiQ1jX3dRNMSKBaOPiPtWM6w z8Aos3CDWuf6mATfTHDzZi/QtsO1B41f7urPpJQNW9ai9ORFlyCEZQ8BRI72j3RoY2zD umdlHoGsgqPjUy8DsK4QKuNvjLrJP++ehhjp0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:42:18 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6ad1230d553049727ab3e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:42:19 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6ad1230d553049727ab3e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hmm...can't help you with that one...although, did you set up the ports going the other way? it's a shame, because the touchosc UI is really nice imo and i love the idea of being able to create your own layouts, but it's just such a grind getting it to work sim On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Gmail > wrote: > > Yeah, that should be easy. I didn't want to pay for osculator, as I only > wanted to rig up an analog delay plugin to an xy controller. > > OSCulator works as a demo for a couple of minutes, so you may test > things out. But I can't make it talk to the other softboys here. I run > TouchOSC Mix 16 on the iphone set to OSC Output port 8000. Then I load > OSCulator with the "TouchOSC to MIDI - Mix16" template and set to OSC > Input port 8000. My MIDI applications do detect the "OSCulator Out" > virtual MIDI port but when juggling the touch screen objects on the > iphone no MIDI is generated by OSCulator. I don't think I will buy an > authorization for it. Seems too fiddly. > > Per > > --000e0cd6ad1230d553049727ab3e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmm...can't help you with that one...although, did you set up the ports= going the other way?

it's a shame, because the touchosc UI is r= eally nice imo and i love the idea of being able to create your own layouts= , but it's just such a grind getting it to work

sim

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:35 PM, = Per Boysen <per= boysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Gmail <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wr= ote:
> Yeah, that should be easy. I didn't want to pay for osculator, as = I only wanted to rig up an analog delay plugin to an xy controller.

OSCulator works as a demo for a couple of minutes, so you may test things out. But I can't make it talk to the other softboys here. I run<= br> TouchOSC Mix 16 on the iphone set to OSC Output port 8000. Then I load
OSCulator with the "TouchOSC to MIDI - Mix16" template and set to= OSC
Input port 8000. My MIDI applications do detect the "OSCulator Out&quo= t;
virtual MIDI port but when juggling the touch screen objects on the
iphone no MIDI is generated by OSCulator. I don't think I will buy an authorization for it. Seems too fiddly.

Per


--000e0cd6ad1230d553049727ab3e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 19:52:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 514381835AA; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:52:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SYGYdTI2D9epWCy+lx2L71/6RFKjVxTDR262ISMKbZU=; b=oIgHCtW4piqRy8C2zpnY/Do4Hj9ZMA+xNQe9tYNqdQYfA5TzXvJbZKh643rsvztme0 CdvNYZKDsA6qIHrxf+aYXCgNW6WDhsMNuB1pGTkTHJWHgH5cCSLsUOaMJrvTAKVnpoUD hIfAFKL2i/GMI+dNJR1ZKvFjQQLAewezE3apU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=SltQ6ux990VMe9Ma1IMt3L6i3yretqDk1pEaGcLNz4SQDR85+BFxSc8+lXFAuTLEzl /INdydMCBt4JvpdiFEO8jMTcHSPn0iKFTHoODIkpfBYFuXI9GyyKy+s6zPUTtsxTKd09 +rx1b+AJNyHpyFuIo3tPTgL9tOBv34x8HCcAo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:52:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:52:30 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > hmm...can't help you with that one...although, did you set up the ports > going the other way? No. Would that be necessary? Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 19:53:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 084EA1835B5; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <876C8948-7A73-4EFD-9C86-3C58BBF6FA65@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Revfever Subject: OT: Hammond Condor FS Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:52:53 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=6.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,RDNS_NONE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on obf2.tritico.net X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host3.webserveralpha.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ubergadget.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <-vXmC.A.kjB.ja9ANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:53:07 +0000 (UTC) This looks intriguing. (and RARE) Chicago area. (scroll down to see this listing's pics) http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/msg/2107241211.html More detailed description: http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2010/09/hammond-rsm-condor-by- innovex.html Cheers, Rev.Fever Portland,OR http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 19:58:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C05AF1835BE; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LAEEtFHNNQypdyOjYb/OnGnIfUP9Drcn1O+XACsE/1M=; b=W0nQ0WI795JCnMnniiiWm/vGbX5WPgBfKwrHwYLURuvZu72YbGHRkEPZ7cUFf5hTwa oppLKmh6jcu7sfBtncU//CLxAT7eTmD9637nPZL+QTFi0wDjusXHKtojJ6Ek6K57ocfp mVF1kDfJGwCKvmL9Eey/OlhlQnkKiaUKMg200= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=EKrpwjqe1JFAXpyG9jTl83OByMv7XCyoBvn1pPqPujNT0f8avzNWRSLShlZElI1z0I OrOyo/fJQLqNK9AJU/dWLen7NDsg9d158eLEbJhnARJ1LcCu2xdH+0lwxEtdbihntU90 k3tWPaufDcsenp+u85KWlpw4VEBIhsJ7RjjpY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:58:19 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bdd2e7582cf049727e468 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:58:20 +0000 (UTC) --0015174bdd2e7582cf049727e468 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 can't hurt to try it. did you try running midi monitor to see if any midi data is being generated by osculator? sim On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Simeon Harris > wrote: > > hmm...can't help you with that one...although, did you set up the ports > > going the other way? > > No. Would that be necessary? > > Per > > --0015174bdd2e7582cf049727e468 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can't hurt to try it.

did you try running midi monitor to see if= any midi data is being generated by osculator?

sim

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>= wrote:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Simeon Harris
<simeonharris40@googlem= ail.com> wrote:
> hmm...can't help you with that one...altho= ugh, did you set up the ports
> going the other way?

No. Would that be necessary?

Per


--0015174bdd2e7582cf049727e468-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 19:59:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D9251835CB; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fSL6Yx/6ridrAuCeaeTrPZbfn2vvdkbp9kKm+8BM4UU=; b=Z7VBA9RolTqV/BClRnm3nvQ+I4Y6upmtoHaFMrbGsWhZe1TEE/eKFGA5YKa+jrCWx9 nh02aYe2WA0nKKWP6lEhP+1Zb9APCfgJ7M1S3wen+2okVRVvGC2pnkhc2X//58P4R+Og rbQ4FQhcH9V9lQhHoineQSEx8wNrx1nH84iV0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=e3hzDqg6KC3HeSymfyM0fs4yPvWppeIhrrTEcIUHk1Yy0HvpjGctXhTnhvBKlaCtLJ acDmQyPbUxSle5Fo4SR/HL5m3QJd93M/VJ2PzPNdx+e8Q40YUvlYkgsEpSujbgNEpwfC 1L7JpskudNy0IsLeUHdj5ZtFKHl7nNKb7xMek= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:59:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:59:55 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > did you try running midi monitor to see if any midi data is being generated > by osculator? Yes, many. No MIDI data generated. That why I didn't like it. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 20:05:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25572183557; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HNWxkquyiVLkXXleOGfx4jYTBIboi6SLNnG9Xxoqr1I=; b=mPS2wQKFEiJCdkcVUOL9K4Vo1gAxia8wuUH7BpoekAjQKqgo4gCD4l8Qvu36dCQ42D uZ0kfih4h4h1IrCUlPYllaDzKYO0apGOqAaQdauu10R6KIwNdKmfCw+1vm1D93oEaDU1 urUlcylUh8e8tQZGrFjKXqm/jA/eLd+Cn4R2Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=GhbCooUZHgI0z81DkLm9YfNl1HRP0rQjz5BA30xFpru1AvVgDcIIsxwfL5wZE4JW8u v/cO4nNw9/baS1wU+cnsqwyQx6C0DIuYqBEKO2ziMRA9l7z2bll8/zojzQG4h+ketyNp 5jwzCEwYXazdMb8fXGKwQFi1KOpMsB30/eTL0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:05:34 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bdd2e5f9490049727fe3f Resent-Message-ID: <6HtNh.A.96B.Om9ANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:05:34 +0000 (UTC) --0015174bdd2e5f9490049727fe3f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 fair enough! On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Simeon Harris > wrote: > > did you try running midi monitor to see if any midi data is being > generated > > by osculator? > > Yes, many. No MIDI data generated. That why I didn't like it. > > Per > > --0015174bdd2e5f9490049727fe3f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable fair enough!

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:59= PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Simeon Harris
<simeonharris40@googlem= ail.com> wrote:
> did you try running midi monitor to see if any midi data is being gene= rated
> by osculator?

Yes, many. No MIDI data generated. That why I didn't like it.

Per


--0015174bdd2e5f9490049727fe3f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 20:08:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 794991835AB; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 547340415/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.148/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.148 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvIBACtpA01YbRmU/2dsb2JhbAAHlWHOWoVKBI4B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,329,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="547340415" Message-ID: <4D03DA4A.8080406@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:08:42 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! References: <4D03CA1E.10206@tiscali.co.uk> <5B7BF579-3228-498A-A583-7C213B159DB9@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <5B7BF579-3228-498A-A583-7C213B159DB9@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Gmail wrote: > Thanks andy, I already read this. It's only half the process. I'm afraid I don't have any incoming Osc to test. It seems very similar to the param linking tho'. > You're supposed to paste the o/c address into one of the osc bidules ( doesn't say which one) that would be Osc Extractor, there's only 2 Bidules which accept the address, and the other is for *sending* OSC > and them connect the bidule ( doesn't say how or where to) Tools> Osc Server then click the Address space tree to find the destination Bidule. I've got a hunch you don't need *both* of those steps, and you can either select the target parameter from Osc Server OR use Osc Extractor with the address value. OR, a third way if you wanted midi, just use an Osc Midi bidule and link it from the Osc server. > > Sim > > Sent from my iPod > > On 11 Dec 2010, at 18:59, andy butler wrote: > >> OSC Server Implementation >> First to enable the OSC Server part of Bidule, you need to go the OSC Server dialog by selecting OSC Server from the Tools menu. You need to select a port for Bidule to listen for messages (Note: you might need to change your firewall software settings to allow incoming messages to that port), the default one should be fine but you can change it. >> Every parameter of every bidule that is available for parameter linking is also available for control through OSC. Each parameter has an address to receive values, the address is built automatically from the location and name of the bidule as well as the parameter name. The location of a bidule is the "path" to it (look at the bottom left of the patchbay when you're inside a group to get the idea) so for example a group named Freeverb in the root of the layout would be /Freeverb, now if we wish to control the mode of the effect, the address would be /Freeverb/Mode. Take note that some characters (like spaces) are reserved and this might change the "expected" address so your best bet is to look into the OSC Server dialog and see the name that is there. >> Each parameter expect to receive values within its range (click the Params button on the bidule's window to see them). Parameters that are a drop down box with a list of choices will also accept a string representing an available choice. >> These two address also exists: /play : to start/stop the processing (parameter: 1 or "true" to start audio, 0 or "false" to stop it) /open : force the loading of a .bidule file (parameter: the path to the bidule file on the machine) >> >> Simeon Harris wrote: >>> cool! >>> Jeff >>> Oh, and the next release of Mobius will have built-in support for >>> TouchOSC without >>> needing a converter. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 20:15:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9622E1835BC; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wiWYt2ksjAU8PDUW8gMar7pefV5YWMJeHZapoG/IL6U=; b=Tr7bPKN1BJ+v75QYyqhGNmaji5dzIRGdfJK8PQDw3kX6slJ7cvoF+1VPw+53CYpTNO Tjyn+fWvY26kZDlHXqCPe09Dyw81jkjRTWwhfQcgtWj/C1DfEpxT9hqTU8Xww4tbcLNI GNbgm3LFvbnOTWfHZ5IjmjfRVn/wEWwnxQTDQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=WaWSTHoSBJW2WmercYO/Oy8wPDLEUaJ7q3J5hMoZaA1u7oMzGI5PBOZi8ZdashJBAx WCR0Er9AeDnRbT+UJhkHJMVcPHBm/gF61eYR9ATxwYOsg4CnWIMGQYKzbjRf5BydiktE C0kU/x3KYiSGMRV2zXlRFFEAeWv5gQ5MWlU2Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D03DA4A.8080406@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4D03CA1E.10206@tiscali.co.uk> <5B7BF579-3228-498A-A583-7C213B159DB9@googlemail.com> <4D03DA4A.8080406@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:15:18 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6ad1234f592049728217f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:15:19 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6ad1234f592049728217f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes, i thought it would be very similar to parameter linking and tried everything you suggested....without any success whatsoever. anyway - assuming you've got the target parameter sorted, how does bidule know which of the faders in touchosc is supposed to be controlling it? i've given up. my brain hurts. i'm going to go and watch The Daily Show which i recorded last night. i may even have a beer. sim On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:08 PM, andy butler wrote: > Gmail wrote: > >> Thanks andy, I already read this. It's only half the process. >> > > I'm afraid I don't have any incoming Osc to test. > > It seems very similar to the param linking tho'. > > > > > You're supposed to paste the o/c address into one of the osc bidules ( >> doesn't say which one) >> > > that would be Osc Extractor, > there's only 2 Bidules which accept the address, and the other is for > *sending* OSC > > > and them connect the bidule ( doesn't say how or where to) >> > > Tools> Osc Server > then click the Address space tree to find the destination Bidule. > > I've got a hunch you don't need *both* of those steps, and you can either > select the target parameter from Osc Server OR > use Osc Extractor with the address value. > > OR, a third way if you wanted midi, just use an Osc Midi bidule and link > it from the Osc server. > > > >> Sim >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On 11 Dec 2010, at 18:59, andy butler wrote: >> >> OSC Server Implementation >>> First to enable the OSC Server part of Bidule, you need to go the OSC >>> Server dialog by selecting OSC Server from the Tools menu. You need to >>> select a port for Bidule to listen for messages (Note: you might need to >>> change your firewall software settings to allow incoming messages to that >>> port), the default one should be fine but you can change it. Every parameter >>> of every bidule that is available for parameter linking is also available >>> for control through OSC. Each parameter has an address to receive values, >>> the address is built automatically from the location and name of the bidule >>> as well as the parameter name. The location of a bidule is the "path" to it >>> (look at the bottom left of the patchbay when you're inside a group to get >>> the idea) so for example a group named Freeverb in the root of the layout >>> would be /Freeverb, now if we wish to control the mode of the effect, the >>> address would be /Freeverb/Mode. Take note that some characters (like >>> spaces) are reserved and this might change the "expected" address so your >>> best bet is to look into the OSC Server dialog and see the name that is >>> there. Each parameter expect to receive values within its range (click the >>> Params button on the bidule's window to see them). Parameters that are a >>> drop down box with a list of choices will also accept a string representing >>> an available choice. These two address also exists: /play : to start/stop >>> the processing (parameter: 1 or "true" to start audio, 0 or "false" to stop >>> it) /open : force the loading of a .bidule file (parameter: the path to the >>> bidule file on the machine) >>> Simeon Harris wrote: >>> >>>> cool! >>>> Jeff >>>> Oh, and the next release of Mobius will have built-in support for >>>> TouchOSC without >>>> needing a converter. >>>> >>> >> >> > --000e0cd6ad1234f592049728217f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes, i thought it would be very similar to parameter linking and tried ever= ything you suggested....without any success whatsoever.

anyway - ass= uming you've got the target parameter sorted, how does bidule know whic= h of the faders in touchosc is supposed to be controlling it?

i've given up. my brain hurts. i'm going to go and watch The Da= ily Show which i recorded last night. i may even have a beer.

sim
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:08 PM, andy butle= r <akbutler@= tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Gmail wrote:
Thanks andy, I already read this. It's only half the process.

I'm afraid I don't have any incoming Osc to test.

It seems very similar to the param linking tho'.




You're supposed to paste the o/c address into one of the osc bidules ( = doesn't say which one)

that would be Osc Extractor,
there's only 2 Bidules which accept the address, and the other is for *= sending* OSC


and them connect the bidule ( doesn't say how or where to)

Tools> Osc Server
then click the Address space tree to find the destination Bidule.

I've got a hunch you don't need *both* of those steps, and you can = either select the target parameter from Osc Server OR
use Osc Extractor with the address value.

OR, a third way if you wanted midi, just use =A0an Osc Midi bidule and link= it from the Osc server.



Sim

Sent from my iPod

On 11 Dec 2010, at 18:59, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

OSC Server Implementation
First to enable the OSC Server part of Bidule, you need to go the OSC Serve= r dialog by selecting OSC Server from the Tools menu. You need to select a = port for Bidule to listen for messages (Note: you might need to change your= firewall software settings to allow incoming messages to that port), the d= efault one should be fine but you can change it. Every parameter of every b= idule that is available for parameter linking is also available for control= through OSC. Each parameter has an address to receive values, the address = is built automatically from the location and name of the bidule as well as = the parameter name. The location of a bidule is the "path" to it = (look at the bottom left of the patchbay when you're inside a group to = get the idea) so for example a group named Freeverb in the root of the layo= ut would be /Freeverb, now if we wish to control the mode of the effect, th= e address would be /Freeverb/Mode. Take note that some characters (like spa= ces) are reserved and this might change the "expected" address so= your best bet is to look into the OSC Server dialog and see the name that = is there. Each parameter expect to receive values within its range (click t= he Params button on the bidule's window to see them). Parameters that a= re a drop down box with a list of choices will also accept a string represe= nting an available choice. These two address also exists: /play : to start/= stop the processing (parameter: 1 or "true" to start audio, 0 or = "false" to stop it) /open : force the loading of a .bidule file (= parameter: the path to the bidule file on the machine)
Simeon Harris wrote:
cool!
=A0 Jeff
=A0 Oh, and the next release of Mobius will have built-in support for
=A0 TouchOSC without
=A0 needing a converter.




--000e0cd6ad1234f592049728217f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 20:44:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 522AD1835CF; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SKenLYCYeozMER9DrkoeuyeLNUNs+FfeS7NTHTn81EE=; b=OUPeUykAFY5fU/4f6PLWRIgfdZiQ4cGnd+cnc+ugbP2+0lvpGPFsiTTpaAyE3fg2Q9 oAXztjPaYCKaGAP0Q7ECmMIz288s9wcl2WWcxq+MUUrKKuem6E06jXhXOMcBoTygvTDu R0Yx9bhbk1adC59VqvZijsS3VjCaxKCCnTfjs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=wUI82E/geHzQ687m3407HHa3p7HMbx57pysKrp36LWwzB8WGMUBSjDnul1qdKAhSlz ApDpQ63J88uHoqKnDDfCMEmOhwmxtg6k+D5PhBZltS0hc5QBGzei0mt8u13BOw3/x+Wt oKjj0Etywv+6C0hs7Xf7d3roJyoxzi3caPsVo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4D03CA1E.10206@tiscali.co.uk> <5B7BF579-3228-498A-A583-7C213B159DB9@googlemail.com> <4D03DA4A.8080406@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 21:44:19 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <8zk0rB.A.CAD.kK-ANB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:44:20 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > > anyway - assuming you've got the target parameter sorted, how does bidule > know which of the faders in touchosc is supposed to be controlling it? Yes, that's what I'm wondering as well! > > i've given up. Me too. But for a different reason; I have calculated now and come to the conclusion that I will never be able to invest the time needed for setting up a system in Bidule like the one I now have in Mainstage. The key technique here is *control data scaling*. Mainstage has nifty scaling boxes where you draw a curve and that is extremely valuable when time is short. And time is always short because you don't really want to program a computer, you want to create music! So the faster you can make corrections and develop your rig the more time you'll have for making music. Although I don't watch the computer screen much when performing th prefab graphic character of Mainstage makes it a fast environment to cable up stuff. Especially now since I've gotten so deeply into scaling each external control signal flow into juggling many parameters at the same time but differently, i.e. heavily dependent on scaling. >From Bidule I do miss the key command control over Mobius, that Mainstage 2 blocks out. But you can't have everything. I might change my mind and buy a license for OSCulator in order to iphone Maintage over OSC. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 11 21:02:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2F461835CC; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 21:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D03E6F1.5030708@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:02:41 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! References: <4D03CA1E.10206@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D03CA1E.10206@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 21:02:48 +0000 (UTC) For what it's worth, I have a friend (one of us who shall remain nameless until the official announcement) who is going to release a small OSC/Midi wireless converter at NAMM. Not sure of the price, yet, but I know it's coming. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 00:07:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29FEA183579; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 00:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aBYwKhMVRyIxg636+M40x2gRpMwHfq08xGTawBuIQ8s=; b=aySxHork+sGHZ0Hm0HFRWtnEohpZ2e2rqldYsgb/PESdHQ8EsROcjD/0df2L/HOZje KXXnYws8GZnR18GwKp5hNIWHjZi6GdUttT7xiPW5WHJImWnrPAhOC8Tba6FAY1FChSbL 3i9J9gtQUCINdk8xCcjrZFA+QTdesNWyg2xXk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pWs4GnOCtW53VC3xXHYQOxi0tMbJ7jENoT5mccMhS5cqWP8l41rupnX8Peqo9WFYWA Wg5LLU55HlFXiPEueqO50iJ8GVrsuvgRy/WT12tRK1ozSyHOoEzD/4l3aevy0PnWshR0 y9UztcVCZ7RtK6Ou6cWF7279ul5/url91fIS4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:07:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: REALLY REALLY OT: Quick Visio job for me? From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 00:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Mark I think I can get my hands on a port of visio at my job, its not a new ver. If yu want send me the file and I'll try toi convert. Do you want to wind up as a Mac friendly Tif or what? I have Mac as well, my job is more windows.. J On 12/11/10, mark francombe wrote: > my thing is to convert from visio svg to visio xml, so that i can inport > into a mac equivalent.. > > thx > > m > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Jim Goodin wro= te: > >> Mark microsoft offers a visio viewer for free dl however won't help >> you if yu have to edit but believe you can print from it. Go to >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads and brOwse for it as 'visio >> viewer'. >> >> Regards. And happy holidays, jim >> >> On 12/11/10, Jim W. wrote: >> > I no longer have visio on my machine but I believe Draw inside the >> > free open office suite will do the conversion. Open office is >> > fantastic for dealing with file compatibility and MS &other business >> > suite products. >> > >> > On Saturday, December 11, 2010, mark francombe >> > wrote: >> >> Sorry about this, do any PC users have Visio on their machines? I hav= e >> >> a >> >> 217 k .svg file, that is the Visio format. I now have a simerlar >> >> program >> >> (graffle) on my mac and need it transferred into the Viseo XML format= . >> >> >> >> Can anyone do that for me? >> >> >> >> contact me offlist.. >> >> >> >> sorry for the really OT... >> >> >> >> m >> >> -- >> >> mark francombe >> >> www.markfrancombe.com >> >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> >> twitter @markfrancombe >> >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> >> http://www.looop.no >> >> >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim >> Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds >> from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. >> jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. >> >> www.jimgoodinmusic.com >> www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com >> >> > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > --=20 Sent from my mobile device >From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 00:27:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DA6A183579; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 00:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:content-type; bh=UZnOgRU6VwFsZ6B+8mJHmlU3JW4C3Hz/GACE6u4zJ3Y=; b=I7J+6yl+yCmy2NzkJ4BLSm9K17iEIMUKvEHtxV7fmfBmHxRkk/gMLOz5HNqXVM0b3T 2y1+ARi87kfTcWhpusiTZ1DD+HmoAkUaGxM1awVUce941w6wGOQGi0Zf4L1I2LHQuZ9G XUkX/SpkeZi5/LzXRLNzOo8cMyhPm36gD4G3o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:content-type; b=Ds5Bw+pKsfCtGXP64DMjeNN3lr1nLsNV9I/jH/Rv8Q7qkyO4+g1+GxRg+HAmTKOQL5 vUPaJfEewRcU0YdcljDnc+NRmIavhol+kgp9fGDiY0iGjeYvu+oTKHLS/WnB1WfEm+tr Mzn6bO8GwFUuRlwLrGA26cTOZDXLZA3TdVjpM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:27:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Happy Holidays - Double Bass Looping Vol. 2 From: Todd Matthews Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba613b4cdfefe304972ba6c1 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 00:27:26 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba613b4cdfefe304972ba6c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Carol of the Bells arranged for some silly Double bass looping http://vimeo.com/17717271 Happy Holidays! -Todd --90e6ba613b4cdfefe304972ba6c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Carol of the Bells arranged for some silly Double bass looping


Happy Holidays!


-Todd
--90e6ba613b4cdfefe304972ba6c1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 01:59:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1227B183579; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 01:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:references:from:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xV1yGGFB/nIPDQIxvoiSxEnFVd2EeeIgjzDtcdNhaOY=; b=kJAR+bLQrqsxJO0CbkUxEfG9veMvZgyCxlUJAVWZJsc8UQatV3pRWAhyXqJ/17+lQE OdFdEXCZqbPNz6ZmfNVTMC/57LLdxabs2SBNHg8yjvSJJ0miJfzTeOdybqdGd0NJz5Fz l2mpPoVcjMelRIEn03tRoA7I9eeKKaim76qPQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Jx3gHwoJ7sNnhmN4mq5yvuP052Jsqo7DjK7TMEzFqeGNLsEf2oSozDR/s6/83x8vcS 7L/BxJtejjBbkaYHWzpd9mFfYv9+Kg3MeJOgsDk6arjJRP+0KFWF72Zana3nswz9C8LV crNZeP2/2yrqdvCGObkpxleaU/m9DUW4dYnqM= References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:59:02 +0100 Message-ID: <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 01:59:05 +0000 (UTC) I'm about here too... Ha ha was not aware of thread in LD then gave up and thought ok ... Read my mail.. And there you all are... One thing still to do here Per is configuration the output translation of the OSC messages into something usable ... I think you get this done in drop down menus in the window next to the OSC control you are getting... I didn't think to try midi monitor and have gone to bed now... Tomorrow will be fun. I'm hoping to get a Three screen system. A m=F6bius mix/mute. A m=F6bius script gun.. And an XY of the morphing control on the Kore Player loaded with deep freq... Phew.. What fun! Mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 11 Dec 2010, at 20:59, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Simeon Harris > wrote: >> did you try running midi monitor to see if any midi data is being genera= ted >> by osculator? > > Yes, many. No MIDI data generated. That why I didn't like it. > > Per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 04:10:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C17D183579; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 04:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4UEeWBqvxcTdSXj6NJ7K36NGdqBYPsxiglrJbwVrlLY=; b=OMiFDFWPWjMQ/YeUnRkSZgQHufCi7P2BMwHbvwYojwHK4JDk6cP03l0Ztf1hsSWJlH 1vABA+UF7kMu7Qer3M1WB/JKZhruzWcdyAsaPydk6F3y6UL8sDfL3odfSu4Giw8nmPAv zwH0GIqpjxGiNh7x3jbivJHqPChrtbmQDudks= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=exzYh+HM10VYKY9ZRYX9yWP+CLrE7drtUaeme+vBvZThJB4dhVQeXRrStXRod35zIg jkyDmfK8vTnWd1iFwBsxJ1s2bAvZz/M+Qc2R+AvooY7iD/6UmHNyB/LST5+da6uc44cc vCIFCPGjBW0A9Wg+VJhayxq0ePiURiLhy8qCo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:10:47 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Kanye West and King Crimson From: Art Simon To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325575702a830cc04972ec5ec Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 04:10:48 +0000 (UTC) --000325575702a830cc04972ec5ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm out of touch with popular music, and I'd never listened to Kanye West until, well, two days ago. On his latest album he has a song "Power" where he samples King Crimson. That got my interest. But there's more to it than just the sample. Here's a quote from a review : "But more important is the hook that anchors the song. It sounds like a vocal re-creation of the King Crimson song's monster guitar hook; but as it's been transformed, it invokes another acute examiner of current cultural-political dramas: M.I.A. The hook's hand claps and feminine tone -- as well as the Symbolyc One-co-produced track's whole sound, much more redolent of global hip-hop than of electroclash, which West may have left behind -- sets West's verbal tirade within M.I.A.'s larger context of global oppression and resistance by people of color. Justified? Maybe not. But it's a typically bold Kanye leap." I think it's great. Anybody else out there think anything of this song? -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon --000325575702a830cc04972ec5ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm out of touch with popular music, and I'd never listened to Kany= e West until, well, two days ago.

On his latest album he has a song = "Power" where he samples King Crimson. That got my interest. But = there's more to it than just the sample. Here's a quote from a review:

"But more important is the hook that anchors the song. It sounds l= ike a vocal re-creation of the King Crimson song's monster guitar hook;= but as it's been transformed, it invokes another acute examiner of cur= rent cultural-political dramas: M.I.A. The hook's hand claps and femini= ne tone -- as well as the Symbolyc One-co-produced track's whole sound,= much more redolent of global hip-hop than of electroclash, which West may = have left behind -- sets West's verbal tirade within M.I.A.'s large= r context of global oppression and resistance by people of color. Justified= ? Maybe not. But it's a typically bold Kanye leap."

I think it's great. Anybody else out there think anything of this s= ong?
--
Art Simon
simart@gmai= l.com
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looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E748183579; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 04:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KUtZM3BxieS8WrN8qI/LcQ)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012110173 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-12_01:2010-12-10,2010-12-12,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <251EA06E2C4548E5A4F3C7F7076F9101@NORBY11> From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Kanye West and King Crimson Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:32:27 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: <6QidCB.A.Am.eBFBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 04:32:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_KUtZM3BxieS8WrN8qI/LcQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT It will be interesting to see if people start buying Crimson music due to this. Naahh...to complex for them. toby ----- Original Message ----- From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:10 PM Subject: OT: Kanye West and King Crimson I'm out of touch with popular music, and I'd never listened to Kanye West until, well, two days ago. On his latest album he has a song "Power" where he samples King Crimson. That got my interest. But there's more to it than just the sample. Here's a quote from a review: "But more important is the hook that anchors the song. It sounds like a vocal re-creation of the King Crimson song's monster guitar hook; but as it's been transformed, it invokes another acute examiner of current cultural-political dramas: M.I.A. The hook's hand claps and feminine tone -- as well as the Symbolyc One-co-produced track's whole sound, much more redolent of global hip-hop than of electroclash, which West may have left behind -- sets West's verbal tirade within M.I.A.'s larger context of global oppression and resistance by people of color. Justified? Maybe not. But it's a typically bold Kanye leap." I think it's great. Anybody else out there think anything of this song? -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon --Boundary_(ID_KUtZM3BxieS8WrN8qI/LcQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
It will be interesting to see if people start buying Crimson music due to this.  Naahh...to complex for them.
 
toby
----- Original Message -----
From: Art Simon
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:10 PM
Subject: OT: Kanye West and King Crimson

I'm out of touch with popular music, and I'd never listened to Kanye West until, well, two days ago.

On his latest album he has a song "Power" where he samples King Crimson. That got my interest. But there's more to it than just the sample. Here's a quote from a review:

"But more important is the hook that anchors the song. It sounds like a vocal re-creation of the King Crimson song's monster guitar hook; but as it's been transformed, it invokes another acute examiner of current cultural-political dramas: M.I.A. The hook's hand claps and feminine tone -- as well as the Symbolyc One-co-produced track's whole sound, much more redolent of global hip-hop than of electroclash, which West may have left behind -- sets West's verbal tirade within M.I.A.'s larger context of global oppression and resistance by people of color. Justified? Maybe not. But it's a typically bold Kanye leap."

I think it's great. Anybody else out there think anything of this song?
--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/artsimon

--Boundary_(ID_KUtZM3BxieS8WrN8qI/LcQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 04:35:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43BBC183579; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 04:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bb9033fe-2030-4a96-bfec-65ea6e29f667_" X-Originating-IP: [83.100.133.227] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Handsonic Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 04:35:42 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <625E7FDD-6D97-4A33-8573-6898B21E779C@1800dialword.com> References: ,<625E7FDD-6D97-4A33-8573-6898B21E779C@1800dialword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2010 04:35:42.0314 (UTC) FILETIME=[08EE8CA0:01CB99B6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 04:35:44 +0000 (UTC) --_bb9033fe-2030-4a96-bfec-65ea6e29f667_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmmm interesting application your thinking of there...ive never used the LP= 1 but own both handsonics and use them as the hub of my sound set. =20 im confused as to what you are wanting to "start" on the handsonic? =20 cos while you can sequence its internal sounds=2C its much better as a inte= rgrated controller/instrument in itself. =20 if you are meaning you would create sequences ON the handsonic=2C i would l= ook elsewhere ...well not sure where...but the sequencer on the handsonic i= s the usual half thought through roland fare.. =20 i dont know why all the roland products i have seem like three quarters of = it was designed by a true invertor and musician... but the other quarter wa= s designed by some work experiance boy?? =20 btw if you are looking for precussion grooves that you prerecord in a seque= nce and then add to on the fly a great working combo that i use is the hand= sonic (either) and a korg elecribe series machine (i use either an emx1 or= a er1--mk2) my method is to have the handsonic sending midi notes to the d= rum machine to actually play the machine live...but also clocks getting sen= t from my echoplex to keep it in time with it=2C this way i can generate se= quence data that is then editable in real time=2C but also play stuff on ot= her instruments or some of the handsonics melody stuff like the glockenspie= ls into the echoplex. =20 its late here so if that makes no sense let me know more questions and ill = come back to you on it. =20 Phill =20 Subject: Handsonic From: andy@1800dialword.com Date: Sat=2C 11 Dec 2010 23:20:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I am thinking of getting a Handsonic HPD 10 or 15 and just wondered if any = of ya'll have much experience with either? One thing I really want it to do=2C which the simmons drum surface I got do= es not do=2C is to to accept an incoming midi start command from my LP1 so = that I start a percussion groove and the LP1 record at the same time=2C wit= h one button push from my Novation work surface.=20 In looking thru both manuals=2C the 15 does seem to suppory this=2C while t= he 10=2C maybe not so much.=20 Any of ya'll use or like either one? Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 11=2C 2010=2C at 2:32 PM=2C mark francombe = wrote: my thing is to convert from visio svg to visio xml=2C so that i can inport = into a mac equivalent.. thx m On Sat=2C Dec 11=2C 2010 at 4:19 PM=2C Jim Goodin wrote: Mark microsoft offers a visio viewer for free dl however won't help you if yu have to edit but believe you can print from it. Go to http://www.microsoft.com/downloads and brOwse for it as 'visio viewer'. Regards. And happy holidays=2C jim On 12/11/10=2C Jim W. wrote: > I no longer have visio on my machine but I believe Draw inside the > free open office suite will do the conversion. Open office is > fantastic for dealing with file compatibility and MS &other business > suite products. > > On Saturday=2C December 11=2C 2010=2C mark francombe > wrote: >> Sorry about this=2C do any PC users have Visio on their machines? I have= a >> 217 k .svg file=2C that is the Visio format. I now have a simerlar progr= am >> (graffle) on my mac and need it transferred into the Viseo XML format. >> >> Can anyone do that for me? >> >> contact me offlist.. >> >> sorry for the really OT... >> >> m >> -- >> mark francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> > > -- Sent from my mobile device >From Brooklyn To Glindran=2C a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no = --_bb9033fe-2030-4a96-bfec-65ea6e29f667_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmmm interesting application your thinking of there...ive never used the LP= 1 but own both handsonics and use them =3Bas the hub of my sound set.  =3B
im confused as to what you are wanting to "start" on the handsonic?
 =3B
cos while you can sequence its internal sounds=2C its much better as a inte= rgrated controller/instrument in itself.
 =3B
if you are meaning you would create sequences ON the handsonic=2C i would l= ook elsewhere ...well not sure where...but the sequencer on the handsonic i= s the usual half thought through roland fare..
 =3B
i dont know why all the roland products i have seem like three quarters of = it was designed =3Bby a true invertor and musician... but the other qua= rter was designed by some work experiance boy??
 =3B
btw =3Bif you are looking for precussion grooves that you prerecord in = a sequence =3Band then add to on the fly a great working combo that i u= se is the handsonic (either) and a korg =3B elecribe series machine&nbs= p=3B(i use either an emx1 or a er1--mk2) my method is to have the handsonic= sending midi notes to the drum machine to actually play the machine live..= .but also clocks getting sent from my echoplex to keep it in time with = =3Bit=2C this way i can generate sequence data that is then editable in rea= l time=2C but also play stuff on other instruments or some of the handsonic= s melody stuff like the glockenspiels into the echoplex.
 =3B
its late here so if that makes no sense =3Blet me know more questions&n= bsp=3Band ill come back =3Bto you on it.
 =3B
Phill
 =3B
Subject: Handsonic
From: andy@1800dialword.com
Date: Sat=2C 11 Dec 20= 10 23:20:49 -0500
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I am thinking of getting a Handsonic HPD 10 or 15 and just wondered if= any of ya'll have much experience with either?

One thing I really want it to do=2C which the simmons drum surface I g= ot does not do=2C is to to accept an incoming midi start command from my LP= 1 so that I start a percussion groove and the LP1 record at the same time= =2C with one button push from my Novation work surface. =3B

In looking thru both manuals=2C the 15 does seem to suppory this=2C wh= ile the 10=2C maybe not so much. =3B

Any of ya'll use or like either one?

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!


On Dec 11=2C 2010=2C at 2:32 PM=2C mark francombe <=3Bmark@markfrancombe.com>=3B wrote:
=
my thing is to convert from visio svg to visio xml=2C so that i can in= port into a mac equivalent..

thx

m

On Sat=2C Dec 11=2C 2010 at 4:19 PM=2C Jim Good= in <=3Bjimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>= =3B wrote:
Mark microso= ft offers a visio viewer for free dl however won't help
you if yu have t= o edit but believe you can print from it.  =3BGo to
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads and brOwse for it as 'visio
viewer'.

Regards. And happy holida= ys=2C jim

On 12/11/10=2C Jim W. <=3Bsynchro1@gmail.com= >=3B wrote:
>=3B I no longer have visio on my machine but I believe = Draw inside the
>=3B free open office suite will do the conversion. Op= en office is
>=3B fantastic for dealing with file compatibility and MS= &=3Bother business
>=3B suite products.
>=3B
>=3B On Sat= urday=2C December 11=2C 2010=2C mark francombe <=3Bmark@markfran= combe.com>=3B
>=3B wrote:
>=3B>=3B Sorry about this= =2C do any PC users have Visio on their machines? I have a
>=3B>=3B = 217 k .svg file=2C that is the Visio format. I now have a simerlar program<= BR>>=3B>=3B (graffle) on my mac and need it transferred into the Viseo = XML format.
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B Can anyone do that for me?
&= gt=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B contact me offlist..
>=3B>=3B
>=3B&= gt=3B sorry for the really OT...
>=3B>=3B
>=3B>=3B m
>= =3B>=3B --
>=3B>=3B mark francombe
>=3B>=3B www.markfrancombe.com
>=3B>=3B www.ordoabkhao.com
>=3B>=3B = twitter @markfrancombe
>=3B>=3B http://vimeo.com/user825094
>=3B>=3B http://www.looop.no
>=3B>=3B
>=3B
>=3B

--
Sent from my mobile device

From Brooklyn To Glindran= =2C a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim
Goodin &=3B Peter Th=F6rn.=  =3BProceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF Internation= al.
jimgo= odinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com<= /A>




--
mark franc= ombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
t= witter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.= com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
= --_bb9033fe-2030-4a96-bfec-65ea6e29f667_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 07:42:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4A0D183578; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 07:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JdkmmId7dzq2X3aWRAb5PwCrs9r/PTUTP0k5/cAU0n4=; b=T1W9Y+NGaZ7SqyUUg2qLp5ZR/edY6rdtW/P8pQ9n/oi9m2jOimulm+fZ6arJgb8xcI Rj7rfl3KZqxh35WobXUjcQUgdIHQRLr0TwquDFY9WBhyDs6sFK4ym2AEzuOUq3ex1mp6 kcwndQ+Gp/gUANS3HH30fQHwn/nnXRHmb9IwA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AHM0tjDBJFJ3OLBUFr09JSnzNl52TvM78VUQzgciTcKUml6Yfp7xvQNn8nGvoC2T88 TdDpBy1G496EKwLKuJ8a8ooYOX0xHGAwWQmd1Uplj33Cqjo/sau1nr0w+HuQ+S3jVY+w AQdPrSMo9yqJS2XL5DeDM+RGLKyKZvEhEA2/o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <251EA06E2C4548E5A4F3C7F7076F9101@NORBY11> References: <251EA06E2C4548E5A4F3C7F7076F9101@NORBY11> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:42:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kanye West and King Crimson From: Jeffrey Collins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6153fa04f015049731bbf6 Resent-Message-ID: <_tt_8D.A.wHC.rzHBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 07:42:35 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6153fa04f015049731bbf6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 just took a listen and realized I had heard that a while back. and was pissed about it then. dude come out with your own music and stop taking others...it's just bad karma. Jeffrey On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Toby G wrote: > It will be interesting to see if people start buying Crimson music due to > this. Naahh...to complex for them. > > toby > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Art Simon > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:10 PM > *Subject:* OT: Kanye West and King Crimson > > I'm out of touch with popular music, and I'd never listened to Kanye West > until, well, two days ago. > > On his latest album he has a song "Power" where he samples King Crimson. > That got my interest. But there's more to it than just the sample. Here's a > quote from a review > : > > "But more important is the hook that anchors the song. It sounds like a > vocal re-creation of the King Crimson song's monster guitar hook; but as > it's been transformed, it invokes another acute examiner of current > cultural-political dramas: M.I.A. The hook's hand claps and feminine tone -- > as well as the Symbolyc One-co-produced track's whole sound, much more > redolent of global hip-hop than of electroclash, which West may have left > behind -- sets West's verbal tirade within M.I.A.'s larger context of global > oppression and resistance by people of color. Justified? Maybe not. But it's > a typically bold Kanye leap." > > I think it's great. Anybody else out there think anything of this song? > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > myspace [dot] com/artsimon > > --90e6ba6153fa04f015049731bbf6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just took a listen and realized I had heard that a while back. and was piss= ed about it then. dude come out with your own music and stop taking others.= ..it's just bad karma.

Jeffrey

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Toby G <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:
It will be interesting to see if peopl= e start=20 buying Crimson music due to this.=A0 Naahh...to complex for=20 them.
=A0
toby
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Art Simon
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010= 8:10=20 PM
Subject: OT: Kanye West and King= =20 Crimson

I'm out of touch with popular music, and I'd never= listened to=20 Kanye West until, well, two days ago.

On his latest album he has a= song=20 "Power" where he samples King Crimson. That got my interest. Bu= t there's more=20 to it than just the sample. Here's a quote from a review:

"But=20 more important is the hook that anchors the song. It sounds like a vocal= =20 re-creation of the King Crimson song's monster guitar hook; but as it= 's been=20 transformed, it invokes another acute examiner of current cultural-politi= cal=20 dramas: M.I.A. The hook's hand claps and feminine tone -- as well as = the=20 Symbolyc One-co-produced track's whole sound, much more redolent of g= lobal=20 hip-hop than of electroclash, which West may have left behind -- sets Wes= t's=20 verbal tirade within M.I.A.'s larger context of global oppression and= =20 resistance by people of color. Justified? Maybe not. But it's a typic= ally bold=20 Kanye leap."

I think it's great. Anybody else out there t= hink anything=20 of this song?
--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot]=20 com/artsimon


--90e6ba6153fa04f015049731bbf6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 08:25:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9BD2183578; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 08:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:references:from:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ABx6F7TSGZqJP1UXI8JTBz9W44qvuJoTb70Rey6x4q8=; b=J1rvwc5zuvZqgdYFW3s64ImpbUIXeP8ZhsfWHCnzH/ZqZsQ6i7V+X/pPY+BNiyyL8M L737FOIkXQnm+PHvKvLCgH+aQ41W7fni5Rb6BNrKWXNQpolG0RQWIZAUf1bUn6WOqWGW IxZIk1IxJU4J56HhU6sJDaWckZqrRy0Fj+1Fs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=caqeEbXwhkFi/4KQQgnteFNL4ZTRu+tvlT+iauDvBZXYEi6KIvCIxIrFJe9SG/i6IQ 5zV32ydliEEXXnvdyn0s2NxrScTV1DP4TlUFJVqtuQp3hBkUFFrODL5SGxS/PoHDBnIE Zk0NGasQ4WdLitGwgKAj0AmqDJ6vRfOLMaeoo= References: <251EA06E2C4548E5A4F3C7F7076F9101@NORBY11> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 09:25:53 +0100 Message-ID: <6661045207839158702@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Kanye West and King Crimson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf304347560d6f230497325606 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 08:25:56 +0000 (UTC) --20cf304347560d6f230497325606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >dude come out with your own music and stop taking others...it's just bad karma. Dull old opinion... I must say that this guy holds very little interest to me musically, but sampling KC ain't no crime in my book... he's written many originals too. One more thing , West made a video a number of years back using a very obscure and cool effect, wrongly called data-moshing. It's a very edoteric effect based on removing the keyframes from videos so they dont update nee information, and although HE didn't personally make his own video, it showed to me that the guy has some genuine interest in doing experimental things. Strange to lambast one of the least offensive artists of the time. Mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 12 Dec 2010, at 08:42, Jeffrey Collins wrote: just took a listen and realized I had heard that a while back. and was pissed about it then. dude come out with your own music and stop taking others...it's just bad karma. Jeffrey On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Toby G wrote: > It will be interesting to see if people start buying Crimson music due to > this. Naahh...to complex for them. > > toby > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Art Simon > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:10 PM > *Subject:* OT: Kanye West and King Crimson > > I'm out of touch with popular music, and I'd never listened to Kanye West > until, well, two days ago. > > On his latest album he has a song "Power" where he samples King Crimson. > That got my interest. But there's more to it than just the sample. Here's a > quote from a review > : > > "But more important is the hook that anchors the song. It sounds like a > vocal re-creation of the King Crimson song's monster guitar hook; but as > it's been transformed, it invokes another acute examiner of current > cultural-political dramas: M.I.A. The hook's hand claps and feminine tone -- > as well as the Symbolyc One-co-produced track's whole sound, much more > redolent of global hip-hop than of electroclash, which West may have left > behind -- sets West's verbal tirade within M.I.A.'s larger context of global > oppression and resistance by people of color. Justified? Maybe not. But it's > a typically bold Kanye leap." > > I think it's great. Anybody else out there think anything of this song? > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > myspace [dot] com/artsimon > > --20cf304347560d6f230497325606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>dude come out with your own musi= c and stop taking others...it's just bad karma.

Dull old opinion...=A0

I must say that this guy holds very little interest to = me musically, but sampling KC ain't no crime in my book... he's wri= tten many originals too.=A0

One more thing , West = made a video a number of years back using a very obscure and cool effect, w= rongly called data-moshing. =A0It's a very edoteric effect based on rem= oving the keyframes from videos so they dont update nee information, and al= though HE didn't personally make his own video, it showed to me that th= e guy has some genuine interest in doing experimental things.=A0

Strange to lambast one of the least offensive artists o= f the time.


Mark

Sent from m= y (advertisement removed)

On 12 Dec 2010, at 08:42, Jeffrey C= ollins <jeffreycollins19= 75@gmail.com> wrote:

just took a listen and = realized I had heard that a while back. and was pissed about it then. dude = come out with your own music and stop taking others...it's just bad kar= ma.

Jeffrey

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Toby G <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:
It will be interesting to see if peopl= e start=20 buying Crimson music due to this.=A0 Naahh...to complex for=20 them.
=A0
toby
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Art Simon
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010= 8:10=20 PM
Subject: OT: Kanye West and King= =20 Crimson

I'm out of touch with popular music, and I'd never= listened to=20 Kanye West until, well, two days ago.

On his latest album he has a= song=20 "Power" where he samples King Crimson. That got my interest. Bu= t there's more=20 to it than just the sample. Here's a quote from a review:

"But=20 more important is the hook that anchors the song. It sounds like a vocal= =20 re-creation of the King Crimson song's monster guitar hook; but as it= 's been=20 transformed, it invokes another acute examiner of current cultural-politi= cal=20 dramas: M.I.A. The hook's hand claps and feminine tone -- as well as = the=20 Symbolyc One-co-produced track's whole sound, much more redolent of g= lobal=20 hip-hop than of electroclash, which West may have left behind -- sets Wes= t's=20 verbal tirade within M.I.A.'s larger context of global oppression and= =20 resistance by people of color. Justified? Maybe not. But it's a typic= ally bold=20 Kanye leap."

I think it's great. Anybody else out there t= hink anything=20 of this song?
--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com<= /a>
myspace [dot]=20 com/artsimon


--20cf304347560d6f230497325606-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 10:39:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A41F183579; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 547642482/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.150/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.150 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtsBAE81BE1YbRCW/2dsb2JhbAAHlWHOFoVKBI4B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,332,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="547642482" Message-ID: <4D04A67B.1080409@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:39:55 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Kanye West and King Crimson References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-R7fvB.A.B0B.4ZKBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon wrote: > "But more important is the hook that anchors the song. It sounds like a > vocal re-creation of the King Crimson song's monster guitar hook; but as > it's been transformed, it invokes another acute examiner of current > cultural-political dramas: M.I.A. The hook's hand claps and feminine > tone -- as well as the Symbolyc One-co-produced track's whole sound, > much more redolent of global hip-hop than of electroclash, which West > may have left behind -- sets West's verbal tirade within M.I.A.'s larger > context of global oppression and resistance by people of color. > Justified? Maybe not. But it's a typically bold Kanye leap." > > I think it's great. Anybody else out there think anything of this song? that's thinking? ;-) ...let me guess....Wire magazine? I liked the way he(they?) cut short the first chord of the "big riff" at the end of the sample to create a typical hip-hop stab. In the radio edit I heard the whole effect is marred by a couple of bars where the combination of KC and hip hop mixes just produces a mush, but overall this is the most convincing "re-contextualisation" I've heard. Interesting to imagine what someone who doesn't recognise the sample would make of it. First time 21C Schz ever got played on mainstream daytime radio in uk. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 12:37:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C33B8183579; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:references:from :content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=UHUP6mcorXSGF5xJJmoXt4aSg7zOUUX+NWB46ApFLP8=; b=Sl+xiS6wHnBUg2Hpss7hBCPm3QJdL8wCIRbKXAiu0CzCI5CWy5egUzr3ZPWPMc7mjE eOgU0SawpJxWnm1NAikE1k75oO5muL8KCSv8DuXVWjNdb4jJDBjnATvi+wWzSz1mqcYj 0JglTRYfVajLxg4bYpAtaUoBOM8BTNot/Paio= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=nUPLkSxDDoIPPZLOMmg2urf2zsPIxXorovPpqE3rzw/THKKJydwCp4mfGPtqAsjcbZ YIfp7H32DfkEF0VjT5NLPSgD/MPcFs5y4PL1P2+KEy/sgjf7wO91UsFVsDX+kkTVuYCB 17U97LP5Bd/fshMO3PtHKTvN51s4gVxcdLVzc= Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> From: Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-317702324 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8B117) In-Reply-To: <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:38:30 +0000 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8B117) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:37:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-317702324 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I got a response from the plogue forum... "I'd suggest you download the TouchOSC editor. Then you can make a control t= hat has the OSC address of the parameter you want to control (see the Plogue= OSC Server: Address Space dialog to find the address)." Sim Sent from my iPod On 12 Dec 2010, at 01:59, mark francombe wrote: > I'm about here too... Ha ha was not aware of thread in LD then gave up > and thought ok ... Read my mail.. And there you all are... >=20 > One thing still to do here Per is configuration the output translation > of the OSC messages into something usable ... I think you get this > done in drop down menus in the window next to the OSC control you are > getting... I didn't think to try midi monitor and have gone to bed > now... Tomorrow will be fun. I'm hoping to get a Three screen system. > A m=C3=B6bius mix/mute. A m=C3=B6bius script gun.. And an XY of the morphi= ng > control on the Kore Player loaded with deep freq... Phew.. What fun! >=20 > Mark >=20 > Sent from my (advertisement removed) >=20 > On 11 Dec 2010, at 20:59, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 >> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Simeon Harris >> wrote: >>> did you try running midi monitor to see if any midi data is being genera= ted >>> by osculator? >>=20 >> Yes, many. No MIDI data generated. That why I didn't like it. >>=20 >> Per >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-317702324 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I got a response from the plogue forum.= ..

"I'd suggest you download the TouchOSC editor. Then you c= an make a control that has the OSC address of the parameter you want to cont= rol (see the Plogue OSC Server: Address Space dialog to find the address)."<= /span>

Sim

Sent from my iPod

On 1= 2 Dec 2010, at 01:59, mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm about here too... Ha ha was not aware of= thread in LD then gave up
and thought ok ... Read my mail..= And there you all are...

One thing still t= o do here Per is configuration the output translation
of the= OSC messages into something usable ... I think you get this
done in drop  down menus in the window next to the OSC control you are=
getting... I didn't think to try midi monitor and have gone= to bed
now... Tomorrow will be fun. I'm hoping to get a Thr= ee screen system.
A m=C3=B6bius mix/mute. A m=C3=B6bius scri= pt gun.. And an XY of the morphing
control on the Kore Playe= r loaded with deep freq... Phew.. What fun!

Mark

Sent from my (advertisement removed)<= /span>

On 11 Dec 2010, at 20:59, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 a= t 8:58 PM, Simeon Harris
<simeonharris40@goog= lemail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">did you try running midi monitor to see if an= y midi data is being generated
by osculator?

Yes, many. No MIDI data generated. That w= hy I didn't like it.
=
Per

=
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KaNl6Tja6UNu6bYmvudufPYvktye8lfvnNCAIleusZqEyI8+9d4wQ6eR4P/IGJS6F9jC Fwu2cMvjUDbF9MeExVHBOFnLQy8v5sHnDYDqo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:30:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:30:09 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Gmail wrote: > "I'd suggest you download the TouchOSC editor. That sounds like a joke to me! The point is using common templates, not having to create one from scratch every time you want to use a different application on the laptop. I've had the TouchOSC editor on my Mac for a while but man, why start over from square one? But there seems to be something deeply fishy with OSC network communication! I just tried to target Logic, since it natively supports OSC. With TouchOSC on the iPhone loaded with the LogicTouch template I launced Logic. During application launch the Mac told me a new supported control surface had been found and did I want to create the preferences for it in Logic? "Yes" I clicked and when opening Logic's control surface setup window there was a new template there for LocigTouch. And the network ports had hooked up correctly by themselves. Cool! At least some accurate communication between the machines. But fiddling the sliders and knobs on the iPhone was not detected by Logic. Bummer. Then I tried with Numerology. Network ports set properly by both app's preferences (X output addressing Y input, Y output addressing X input). Numerology has drop-down menus by right-clicking control objects like faders and knobs and on that menu you may chose stuff like "MIDI learn" and "OSC learn". I tried "OSC learn" and you know what happened.... NOTHING!!!! Damn you OSC!!! ;-/ Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 14:33:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5844018357A; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 547722265/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.150/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.150 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As4BAPpqBE1YbRCW/2dsb2JhbAAHg1WSDb4/j0aBIYM1dASOAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,332,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="547722265" Message-ID: <4D04DD2D.5070502@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:33:17 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:33:13 +0000 (UTC) ....it's full of clues though. It's looking as if that "Osc Server" Address Space tree thing is just there to get you the address. So it must be important. Probably you guys tried too ...this but either 1) you have to enter that address for the controller in the TouchOsc app in a place corresponding to the control you wish to assign. 2) the control already has an address, viewable in the app , which you can input to an Osc extractor Bidule. (as long as osc server is enabled) 3) guessing....look in the Osc Monitor, it tells you the address of the incoming message, and that it's not processed, then that address can be put in an Osc Extractor. for fun I downloaded the editor http://hexler.net/software/touchosc it appears to be free/unlimited and essential it doesn't seem to allow you to pick your own address for the controls, so I guess 1) won't work (or the below suggestion) a Gmail wrote: > I got a response from the plogue forum... > > "I'd suggest you download the TouchOSC editor. Then you can make a > control that has the OSC address of the parameter you want to control > (see the Plogue OSC Server: Address Space dialog to find the address)." > > Sim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 15:06:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B40E18356A; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NT8hf2ekp3GVSp6+JvP2VznGsFk4rvdr8ZuLcCdFLGc=; b=YFG3INksXEV43dwl375g2XsIfn4Z2T7UgcZ8SyMjyRK3HAdjsb8Mn7fj/+iUMmVKd4 /t5LCZm3GbfQa+Imf/stlYc4psI2cRZSGxWUjEAgPVy09mU9FyE80epWPwKazuX3rcJZ XAnKGatempoN8qK+MjMD3epRzUNyosxaiJDvE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=Z/6eNEKw7XV+zUuWBlYY78QgBdwZEClNzHYUZD3EqMvMUAhkDEqnM7h4bFPY2WDooq PrVi0RRnLwO0xGE8kRbA7BPbuflUDGFSJCsuBirAdGy2MPOuL9JatzGCQw2m0C9t6B5C ucMQClpVtfuc9Pej4JGlu8ERGbWVFQBqgBcyg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:06:22 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6a9e83454dd049737ee5a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:06:23 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6a9e83454dd049737ee5a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i think you still have to make the connections between the faders. there's something about it on the hexler site i skimmed over yesterday i got it working with bidule. i used the osc server to get the address of the object i wanted to control (mixer fader) i then opened up the simple template (which was saved on my computer) with the editor. plugged the address of the mixer fader into the appropriate field on the left hand side for one of the template faders. i then synced the template in the editor with the template on my ipod. bingo. the only problem i had was one of the faders is logarithmic and the other is linear On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Gmail > wrote: > > "I'd suggest you download the TouchOSC editor. > > That sounds like a joke to me! The point is using common templates, > not having to create one from scratch every time you want to use a > different application on the laptop. I've had the TouchOSC editor on > my Mac for a while but man, why start over from square one? > > But there seems to be something deeply fishy with OSC network > communication! I just tried to target Logic, since it natively > supports OSC. With TouchOSC on the iPhone loaded with the LogicTouch > template I launced Logic. During application launch the Mac told me a > new supported control surface had been found and did I want to create > the preferences for it in Logic? "Yes" I clicked and when opening > Logic's control surface setup window there was a new template there > for LocigTouch. And the network ports had hooked up correctly by > themselves. Cool! At least some accurate communication between the > machines. But fiddling the sliders and knobs on the iPhone was not > detected by Logic. Bummer. > > Then I tried with Numerology. Network ports set properly by both app's > preferences (X output addressing Y input, Y output addressing X > input). Numerology has drop-down menus by right-clicking control > objects like faders and knobs and on that menu you may chose stuff > like "MIDI learn" and "OSC learn". I tried "OSC learn" and you know > what happened.... NOTHING!!!! > > Damn you OSC!!! ;-/ > > Per > > --000e0cd6a9e83454dd049737ee5a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i think you still have to make the connections between the faders. there= 9;s something about it on the hexler site i skimmed over yesterday

i= got it working with bidule. i used the osc server to get the address of th= e object i wanted to control (mixer fader)

i then opened up the simple template (which was saved on my computer) w= ith the editor. plugged the address of the mixer fader into the appropriate= field on the left hand side for one of the template faders. i then synced = the template in the editor with the template on my ipod.

bingo.

the only problem i had was one of the faders is logarithm= ic and the other is linear

On Sun, Dec 1= 2, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Gmail <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
> "I'd suggest you download the TouchOSC editor.

That sounds like a joke to me! The point is using common templates, not having to create one from scratch every time you want to use a
different application on the laptop. I've had the TouchOSC editor on my Mac for a while but man, why start over from square one?

But there seems to be something deeply fishy with OSC network
communication! I =A0just tried to target Logic, since it natively
supports OSC. With TouchOSC on the iPhone loaded with the LogicTouch
template I launced Logic. During application launch the Mac told me a
new supported control surface had been found and did I want to create
the preferences for it in Logic? "Yes" I clicked and when opening=
Logic's control surface setup window there was a new template there
for LocigTouch. And the network ports had hooked up correctly by
themselves. Cool! At least some accurate communication between the
machines. But fiddling the sliders and knobs on the iPhone was not
detected by Logic. Bummer.

Then I tried with Numerology. Network ports set properly by both app's<= br> preferences (X output addressing Y input, Y output addressing X
input). Numerology has drop-down menus by right-clicking control
objects like faders and knobs and on that menu you may chose stuff
like "MIDI learn" and "OSC learn". I tried "OSC le= arn" and you know
what happened.... NOTHING!!!!

Damn you OSC!!! =A0;-/

Per


--000e0cd6a9e83454dd049737ee5a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 15:22:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93D8018356A; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=AdZvVRFEN9CG8Ot2fWU/IeD+LkUulQ6ruv59UpastQU=; b=lCYGWVE+2/yRPOEM35siFTxMqKOSh7S202KiNhALQloOr3cQlaJKo544fuCJyaqqtK SwEzqNUb+VE2x/2K39DGKuiEWlK8xXTp4ZPs7/wJ5Jcj8hal50APFpo3AVMT1ibzqA5L BKfN6lNCN1hbMWpbaT4cWnX5CJW772aujFjWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=BwBYw6nIbTH/7o+FvrLPeGF+y9mfi+4XNger+1Iy/thxG63XvSKM+W2evJsaRBx3be FsJbHdHu1/F79p3GbUn6Xc5LvX3eVJxef/RqlB23S6vptKq04WiHu5Cxb8kt0HI6WRMV LbSBWiWQGrptiXr+Rdg+hXR5b6QC8o1wv8aIM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:22:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:22:05 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > bingo. Congrats! :-) > the only problem i had was one of the faders is logarithmic and the other is > linear That's the scaling ghost I fear in Bidule! It would take an awful lot of time to correct. I've had scaling issues in MIDI #CC's related to the Gordius Little Giant 2 as well; when setting up an expression pedal control path by manual programming in the LG2 display (quite fast and simple actually) the MIDI send out doesn't sweep from value 0 to value 127 but from 55 to 127. In Mainstage I can scale that back in seconds, but imagining fixing stuff like that in Bidule is giving me nightmares. So I'll stick with Mainstage for a while. Maybe it will support OSC natively soon, who knows? (But I'm happy to learn how OSC works for other reasons) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 15:22:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B39C818357D; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8zuPpauAje5oqVMiHiaKTbO7VAjl2+844q4Ofqfmamw=; b=KWPLJe10JkHbDNXjucqSxOzVVyQhMMlbsf6+/MpjBsg6nIM94K5uh32F4LZzpSNLf4 UWbxEv0E6vcgdmLUQq/F168xAKEiMH6jI8cl2XbJFUCIGCrFPPWCbcUuES8FzY4BbyWL Pjgu6or68wRpY2Xnp+LZEpqocOHszBvg6NH5c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=tuJBO53IOmZhMmGoLWONjXVoMMg6UBnaW0A+uLkMYeu5oJqZcljFmRHkepeS84xjAw 8X/FnlpReX+UTY9w0ky7ZTm7M9CmdZ2eUS0fBslfS2vjFPMt5thFByisQNYwPFvlwVy9 E+NF9ZjoK93XEfHJ+w2B8aE0tM1iO8/FzMr+c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6661045207839158702@unknownmsgid> References: <251EA06E2C4548E5A4F3C7F7076F9101@NORBY11> <6661045207839158702@unknownmsgid> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 07:22:24 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kanye West and King Crimson From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <1OoCJC.A.z-D.wiOBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:22:25 +0000 (UTC) I think this might be that video "Welcome to Heartbreak" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMH0e8kIZtE Can't say that the song grabbed me, but the video effect is cool and interesting. Thanks for the tip. -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 15:44:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3139018357A; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 544782919/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.150/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.150 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As4BAGB8BE1YbRCW/2dsb2JhbAAHg1WSDb46j0qBIYM1dASOAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,332,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="544782919" Message-ID: <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:44:14 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > of time to correct. I've had scaling issues in MIDI #CC's related to > the Gordius Little Giant 2 as well; when setting up an expression > pedal control path by manual programming in the LG2 display (quite > fast and simple actually) the MIDI send out doesn't sweep from value 0 > to value 127 but from 55 to 127. Once you get the LG editor going the response curve and range are are as configurable as you'd ever want. (including 14bit if you need that) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 15:54:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1E0F183579; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=u1LcAX5/Kv2gZQfTdkTGeIHhnhELEqXyEZDtQtIAFAk=; b=vwS2k+ERB28Gz0X5oGPMX1Yss+R9p4jLc6Gag0fq2UJQGggYPgXGvgYLn5y0ai74F4 F4B0rKuJBtz/HSVnocDZ7JFLhRMUZ9oPy+CnPzAiFGBC7nRE5n4V/L/2lCFrPKPzLaUX FXSsW3/BX8EXZCGs70JcAf/csV52gRFTda0pY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=vNjFU9RscnCVWnMWWHjfzCa5q8N52wHMx1b3PeNR8RY942WoOyrPw4LA24pt/76m6N 8laaq3cCG5fZxsNKJJPuTybVUoGhP1vYa9w8eam7zUHmIeywwRx4iotSGAftRfivejh4 S3882WdUe++IHW1HlRq+YIIECfRzjEaaZGXas= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:54:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:54:35 +0000 (UTC) > Per Boysen wrote: > >> of time to correct. I've had scaling issues in MIDI #CC's related to >> the Gordius Little Giant 2 as well; when setting up an expression >> pedal control path by manual programming in the LG2 display (quite >> fast and simple actually) the MIDI send out doesn't sweep from value 0 >> to value 127 but from 55 to 127. On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:44 PM, andy butler wrote: > Once you get the LG editor going the response curve and range > are are as configurable as you'd ever want. > (including 14bit if you need that) Sure, I already have the LG editor. I fire it up now and then to correct things I can't reach right away on the LG2. But it still only affects how the LG2 sends out data. For dynamically playable live effect sound design it just can't do what you achieve by scaling at the receiving end. I just mentioned that to explain why I'm not putting time into setting up stuff in Bidule now. The scaling of incoming data is so much faster in Mainstage that it for me makes up for losing computer key commands in Mobius and OSC support. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 17:21:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EC39183579; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=LbPJt4uIH516OYlI1DOsb+PqHFnb7RDtu6jwILXQaQRWguBDbos2vS07XbrN4mJA; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <251EA06E2C4548E5A4F3C7F7076F9101@NORBY11> References: <251EA06E2C4548E5A4F3C7F7076F9101@NORBY11> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:16:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Kanye West and King Crimson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-919947998==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79666cd6bbf7e2db36b4d92ce149a1d155350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: <1nTlJB.A.V3B.jSQBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:21:39 +0000 (UTC) --============_-919947998==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Or boring... >It will be interesting to see if people start buying Crimson music >due to this. Naahh...to complex for them. > >toby > -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-919947998==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Kanye West and King Crimson
Or boring...

It will be interesting to see if people start buying Crimson music due to this.  Naahh...to complex for them.
 
toby

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--============_-919947998==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 17:21:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F06318358E; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=a096QlXsgdLfpGhdo54c9wGozXSRmISgniCf5frEzrQnsIjwXYeUCitsSEVRNPNH; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6661045207839158702@unknownmsgid> References: <251EA06E2C4548E5A4F3C7F7076F9101@NORBY11> <6661045207839158702@unknownmsgid> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:20:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Kanye West and King Crimson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-919947998==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79666cd6bbf7e2db3671ee7faadb221129350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:21:39 +0000 (UTC) --============_-919947998==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Kanye West's videos are works of art... really inventive and beautiful... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm5iA4Zupek&feature=channel > >dude come out with your own music and stop taking others...it's >just bad karma. > >Dull old opinion... > >I must say that this guy holds very little interest to me musically, >but sampling KC ain't no crime in my book... he's written many >originals too. > >One more thing , West made a video a number of years back using a >very obscure and cool effect, wrongly called data-moshing. It's a >very edoteric effect based on removing the keyframes from videos so >they dont update nee information, and although HE didn't personally >make his own video, it showed to me that the guy has some genuine >interest in doing experimental things. > >Strange to lambast one of the least offensive artists of the time. > > >Mark > >Sent from my (advertisement removed) > >On 12 Dec 2010, at 08:42, Jeffrey Collins ><jeffreycollins1975@gmail.com> >wrote: > >>just took a listen and realized I had heard that a while back. and >>was pissed about it then. dude come out with your own music and >>stop taking others...it's just bad karma. >> >>Jeffrey >> >>On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Toby G <<>carpet8@mac.com> wrote: >> >>It will be interesting to see if people start buying Crimson music >>due to this. Naahh...to complex for them. >> >>toby >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Art Simon >>To: <>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:10 PM >>Subject: OT: Kanye West and King Crimson >> >>I'm out of touch with popular music, and I'd never listened to >>Kanye West until, well, two days ago. >> >>On his latest album he has a song "Power" where he samples King >>Crimson. That got my interest. But there's more to it than just the >>sample. Here's a quote from a >>review: >> >>"But more important is the hook that anchors the song. It sounds >>like a vocal re-creation of the King Crimson song's monster guitar >>hook; but as it's been transformed, it invokes another acute >>examiner of current cultural-political dramas: M.I.A. The hook's >>hand claps and feminine tone -- as well as the Symbolyc >>One-co-produced track's whole sound, much more redolent of global >>hip-hop than of electroclash, which West may have left behind -- >>sets West's verbal tirade within M.I.A.'s larger context of global >>oppression and resistance by people of color. Justified? Maybe not. >>But it's a typically bold Kanye leap." >> >>I think it's great. Anybody else out there think anything of this song? >>-- >>Art Simon >><>simart@gmail.com >>myspace [dot] com/artsimon -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-919947998==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Kanye West and King Crimson
Kanye West's videos are works of art...  really inventive and beautiful...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm5iA4Zupek&feature=channel





>dude come out with your own music and stop taking others...it's just bad karma.

Dull old opinion...

I must say that this guy holds very little interest to me musically, but sampling KC ain't no crime in my book... he's written many originals too.

One more thing , West made a video a number of years back using a very obscure and cool effect, wrongly called data-moshing.  It's a very edoteric effect based on removing the keyframes from videos so they dont update nee information, and although HE didn't personally make his own video, it showed to me that the guy has some genuine interest in doing experimental things.

Strange to lambast one of the least offensive artists of the time.


Mark

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 12 Dec 2010, at 08:42, Jeffrey Collins <jeffreycollins1975@gmail.com> wrote:
just took a listen and realized I had heard that a while back. and was pissed about it then. dude come out with your own music and stop taking others...it's just bad karma.

Jeffrey
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Toby G <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:
It will be interesting to see if people start buying Crimson music due to this.  Naahh...to complex for them.
 
toby
----- Original Message -----
From: Art Simon
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:10 PM
Subject: OT: Kanye West and King Crimson

I'm out of touch with popular music, and I'd never listened to Kanye West until, well, two days ago.

On his latest album he has a song "Power" where he samples King Crimson. That got my interest. But there's more to it than just the sample. Here's a quote from a review:

"But more important is the hook that anchors the song. It sounds like a vocal re-creation of the King Crimson song's monster guitar hook; but as it's been transformed, it invokes another acute examiner of current cultural-political dramas: M.I.A. The hook's hand claps and feminine tone -- as well as the Symbolyc One-co-produced track's whole sound, much more redolent of global hip-hop than of electroclash, which West may have left behind -- sets West's verbal tirade within M.I.A.'s larger context of global oppression and resistance by people of color. Justified? Maybe not. But it's a typically bold Kanye leap."

I think it's great. Anybody else out there think anything of this song?
--
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--============_-919947998==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 20:23:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DF59183578; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6CB2333E-95E5-4DCF-9ADA-2FD6CA71BB57@finleysound.com> From: Matt McCabe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-345582834 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - Double Bass Looping Vol. 2 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:23:15 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <0VrGD.A.cpC.48SBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:23:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-345582834 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very nice Todd! You've got my son fooled! Matt --- Mixing and Mastering --> Finley Sound My Band --> King Never On Dec 11, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: > Carol of the Bells arranged for some silly Double bass looping > > http://vimeo.com/17717271 > > Happy Holidays! > > > -Todd --Apple-Mail-2-345582834 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very nice Todd!  You've got my son fooled!

Matt

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On Dec 11, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Todd Matthews wrote:

Carol of the Bells arranged for some silly Double bass looping


Happy Holidays!


-Todd

--Apple-Mail-2-345582834-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 20:25:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD425183579; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lbxs7uAvCplye42IdLmqvkssvTWLQPj+dgixAcuOoqU=; b=FW1Vjs2CCljiYkBOzHvpZqaiIp/s8+w3O2rzLwOPhLMY+uI5xvZ2jIS4Y7Cbci68Zh AaxUiiLzamait2a3hqvlzNqPqCNVaAbKGkKhEK8Ex72+mKgZT/3p2mPTjlv3Hk/C6Eip N9qpRfUbOp4nH27kNLJePY/VJVQZW/QXHtvBA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=U+CSuILWdZAXcQy1KdbiNR+qsGO8oQ5QktcUOL3voi38lw64OY+ZP35Z85aVmnyC4Q rugoRpiaOj6CZBoxoEiDuDUv19wm3Cw3YDb5H/wOxHjN0sKSFLlXPHTYmknxHiodLGOz RLVq+9/k8tFtgqxBhDkLEnxEw76s2EuA0SRxo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:25:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - Double Bass Looping Vol. 2 From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a30faf7d9204973c637f Resent-Message-ID: <7wyQfB.A.g3C.--SBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:25:34 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a30faf7d9204973c637f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 very nice!! thank you! 2010/12/12 Todd Matthews > Carol of the Bells arranged for some silly Double bass looping > > http://vimeo.com/17717271 > > Happy Holidays! > > > -Todd > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a30faf7d9204973c637f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable very nice!! thank you!

2010/12/12 Todd Ma= tthews <gtmatt= hews@gmail.com>
Carol of the Bells arranged for some silly Double bass looping


Happy Holidays!


-Todd



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--20cf3054a30faf7d9204973c637f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 20:30:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1562183578; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:mime-version :content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to:references:message-id :x-mailer; bh=abJ5xUI8oW03IpDBB5MRRcOrMlyKPXTyXJxUX21HBhQ=; b=ZjLlskZr7OQ7GomOIj074bcDGpwlK6Bw+hkqe4CIQeE3wonAQAAroFc8tlQdyu90OX 6C0b16oiyibyJQs1GUWvOmCKtcqUwZOi3Q7Nc0YXbvC2C1bvgKquCfHUUVkE6fI2WqwM rAuHfZDZeYcr/uhSFFLbnqjQ2BYijm6IC2bP4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; b=Ihvx2aimfY+iWteYHuEksyA8hKqCNVLhpqyqQlIJg8CqI48doRCH7K3WjS6GXmO8/p QM9QW3jC5yB09R+o9gviDXUVp9flUWf1dhNu+gbo+9GLAf+4EPNbEqDSo0DbsNtOOlIi HhPZPd4mKn2Cgv3LjtDwvvwsjzE5QfuivP/lI= From: Todd Matthews Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-345994839 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - Double Bass Looping Vol. 2 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:30:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: <6CB2333E-95E5-4DCF-9ADA-2FD6CA71BB57@finleysound.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <6CB2333E-95E5-4DCF-9ADA-2FD6CA71BB57@finleysound.com> Message-Id: <1BB26A55-F091-4998-83C0-1BD93F149A0B@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:30:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-345994839 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hahaha, Don't tell him, "Sorry son, Santa's busy looping this year" Thanks Matt On Dec 12, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Matt McCabe wrote: > Very nice Todd! You've got my son fooled! > > Matt > > --- > Mixing and Mastering --> Finley Sound > My Band --> King Never > > On Dec 11, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: > >> Carol of the Bells arranged for some silly Double bass looping >> >> http://vimeo.com/17717271 >> >> Happy Holidays! >> >> >> -Todd > Todd Matthews http://www.joshuasteelemusic.com --Apple-Mail-1-345994839 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thanks Matt
On Dec 12, 2010, at = 3:23 PM, Matt McCabe wrote:

Very nice Todd!  You've = got my son = fooled!

Matt

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On Dec 11, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Todd = Matthews wrote:

Carol of the Bells arranged for some silly Double = bass looping


Happy Holidays!

=
-Todd



= --Apple-Mail-1-345994839-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 20:33:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE7F918349E; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mta10.brinkster.com From: "CM" To: References: <6CB2333E-95E5-4DCF-9ADA-2FD6CA71BB57@finleysound.com> In-Reply-To: <6CB2333E-95E5-4DCF-9ADA-2FD6CA71BB57@finleysound.com> Subject: RE: Happy Holidays - Double Bass Looping Vol. 2 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:33:35 -0800 Message-ID: <004101cb9a3b$d9fbd8e0$8df38aa0$@asyouthink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01CB99F8.CBDA1F80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIWwfu14R/h9hMwRLKi+4cb7Qpo1QFtIZGykvuKKiA= Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:33:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01CB99F8.CBDA1F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, this is wonderful! Thanks for sharing. Really enjoying your other videos too. : ) C ============== On Dec 11, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: Carol of the Bells arranged for some silly Double bass looping http://vimeo.com/17717271 Happy Holidays! -Todd ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01CB99F8.CBDA1F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Todd, this is wonderful! Thanks for sharing. = Really enjoying your other videos too. : )

 

C

 

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On Dec 11, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Todd Matthews = wrote:



Carol = of the Bells arranged for some silly Double bass = looping

 

 

Happy Holidays!

 

 

-Todd

 

------=_NextPart_000_0042_01CB99F8.CBDA1F80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 21:11:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C50A183579; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:11:48 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:05:35 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T, Kevin Frenette 3, Dave Bryant Solo Dec 19,Outpost 186 , Cambridge Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Visual Music LIVE continues with a double bill on Sunday December 19, as I continue to have the pleasure of working with some of Boston's finest improvisers. Dr. T -- Video Projections with Dave Bryant -- Solo Piano (8PM) Kevin Frenette 3 (9 PM) Kevin Frenette - Guitar James Rohr - Piano John McLellan - Drums My projections are produced by mixing multiple DVD sources with video mixers and effects processors. The sources consist of computer-manipulated original material derived from my still photography and videography. The original subject matter is usually recognizable, but sometimes processed to complete abstraction. Sometimes the projections and music respond directly to each other -- sometimes they simply co-exist. Outpost 186, 186 Hampshire St (in the back), near Inman Square, Cambridge MA Suggested donation, $10 617.876.0860 ~ all ages ~ http://www.zeitgeist-outpost.org Many of my finished video pieces (both studio and live) can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld. with a piece from the Spring Series at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxBtaJajCkU Those of you who attend or perform at events at Outpost 186 may find my photo essay "Improvisations from an Outpost" http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157624670849749/ to be of interest, -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 12 23:47:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DEDF1834D3; Sun, 12 Dec 2010 23:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=ImUpPZX7Qzy5llyPLaDNQOS6iLM+WfT5CsCxbU+cYbc=; b=f43Wo0hWKslEs47fJxfcZnzE5mHQZjrN0sltWCnm+4v8QpBft0A71BJ355xF5Hqg85 wXzyM0eFC0xBaDGulYf+ytg47QzgFVe8ZpQjzyWoxBgTbNeZF7JakiqUyIbL0vtxxFBp Ybw5ZtvbEPEDwv0VjsPIe1p+6frB/Yy+wGjfk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=hH4LspebhT7IfDooNSfbvZdmusEIwFX7A0ZAu60Y0HL0tmPNoXKF4+SFQ493ZwXeFJ a8OYCeaP1ffMptgKWTvO7phDHB/34q/fcHyYJqNf/u8SY+r01EJvdDNB99WlNMavm+dz gKkMlJw23zU1HkQt8ZyHYwm5I3Ddveq6Vnpjk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:46:58 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a1RxYrZS0gs28Smlxa-lswICUEk Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549b2b3f175a04973f358a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 23:47:20 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30549b2b3f175a04973f358a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just to add a ta da to this thread... Finally got Touch OSC and Audio mulch working flawlessly together... havent quite got around to paying for Osculator, have to play around with the design of the TouchOSC for a bit.. but loving it so far... I have the Morph xy controls of a Kore FX plugin, operated by my iPhone. The Kore is mangling a couple of tracks from Mobius... plus i got the Audio Mulch metasurface operating via iphone... so I had a couple of sit in the sofa with my iphone gigs this evening... with a dreadful noise emanating from my studio, fully under my control Muuuuhhhhaaa ha ha ha One thing to think about howver... this is working on Wifi right? How can you be sure to HAVE a wifi connection at your gig? Especially one you have the password for? I CAN get wifi connection over the whole of Oslo (if I pay for a special service) but right now, my studio is right on the edge of getting good reception from my rather weak wifi box positioned on the other side of my house, and sometimes (like if my wife shuts a door) I lose wifi. My studio uses a hard wired cable so no prob for internet, but... at a gig..? Isnt there a better protocol, like a teeny tiny network between the comp and the phone? Is that bluetooth only? Forgive my stupidity on such matters... This touch interface is so exiting for me, with bad eyesight, being able to build the perfect simple interface for my complete looping setup, then having it close at hand, well lit and no mouse needed... the interface on software (no knobs) has always been the fun killer for me, now with my little keyboard, 8 knobs and the iphone that can be configured as a kaos style XY... tis looking velly interesting... Mark --20cf30549b2b3f175a04973f358a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to add a ta da to this thread...

Finally got Touch OSC and Audi= o mulch working flawlessly together... havent quite got around to paying fo= r Osculator, have to play around with the design of the TouchOSC for a bit.= . but loving it so far... I have the Morph xy controls of a Kore FX plugin,= operated by my iPhone. The Kore is mangling a couple of tracks from Mobius= ...

plus i got the Audio Mulch metasurface operating via iphone... so I had= a couple of sit in the sofa with my iphone gigs this evening... with a dre= adful noise emanating from my studio, fully under my control Muuuuhhhhaaa h= a ha ha

One thing to think about howver... this is working on Wifi right? How c= an you be sure to HAVE a wifi connection at your gig? Especially one you ha= ve the password for? I CAN get wifi connection over the whole of Oslo (if I= pay for a special service) but right now, my studio is right on the edge o= f getting good reception from my rather weak wifi box positioned on the oth= er side of my house, and sometimes (like if my wife shuts a door) I lose wi= fi. My studio uses a hard wired cable so no prob for internet, but... at a = gig..?

Isnt there a better protocol, like a teeny tiny network between the com= p and the phone? Is that bluetooth only? Forgive my stupidity on such matte= rs... This touch interface is so exiting for me, with bad eyesight, being a= ble to build the perfect simple interface for my complete looping setup, th= en having it close at hand, well lit and no mouse needed...

the interface on software (no knobs) has always been the fun killer for= me, now with my little keyboard, 8 knobs and the iphone that can be config= ured as a kaos style XY... tis looking velly interesting...

Mark

--20cf30549b2b3f175a04973f358a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 00:08:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF316183503; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FgCtJqxjHrIw52K1ntuf2qhRgMnCRzB4EAvYTqbf+lE=; b=cqMpofABvAcSrYUifWnZ2uU0q2Cknw2bjfSjSLB0DLPKEQwP7dfZrK2Dlvut56SuMf NPlhcg8lumVgyZnFgJhmOg9aruDSf8z+arUkTommV3eS8zrMNeNeTxCN6LOURCs3Rk64 zS7QKOn9Aw+wkFOfSfQ7r7cCQOqnFo9pMsE2o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=q56/yfNUOmemqBoExPpbnxwtkLM3EEKHLXFcfAUvaGRMbi2kVXx2TkpfMG0PaCIV9o L0c5sZ+gXXZqFHW42aD9aPa9qbHY/PwaWaJAduhQbxsni1NJhbBB6GsYO2hCdxYVQiSQ dP8fwQ7CRbfD1YnC1Qc8iDsspPTut9BctbPpw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 01:08:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:08:18 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:46 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Finally got Touch OSC and Audio mulch working flawlessly together... Dammit Mark, you won! Would you please mind helping out us less brain powered creatures by checking if you have the same IP address set inside the iPhone's TouchOSC as inside the computer's "System Preferences > Network" ? > One thing to think about howver... this is working on Wifi right? How can > you be sure to HAVE a wifi connection at your gig? I've been thinking about that too and decided to solve it by bringing my Airport Express. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 00:21:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6124D183513; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=AiSv0Hram6RNNxBVZzpssUss7K3IGJlDg8UvfDkLfVw=; b=Z99NQWWNqFEHKItXGrSgSiJzQQ2YYMiERDzHjO6q5jZiHa8TNN62xuC4k/I4T/iZOz CxAUYHPd6Wetc6TMWeaWR/HsVhlfc7jtIp4icMWmlhOF5uUsSLBdOtp/7RdZpYpW0RLz G1frEWvVGpShjyzrssFw442XfRM/E6f7bwtB0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=XfFvizZfm6bsrSAlm+3EgaGsqc2qKcxUBqDWiQ1aWoMHaDvRyXdpHZl81QxdZ4/Vnz hT0FN3TteYRHWFaPhLQfU9d1H2chsjR58XzRKUb4Odt5LsRSXUdXyFenSi9FYcm9G1zG 91JkHNYYynozIHxjUysD7HoTaCbtMpjs3wcj0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:21:22 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Two EDPs for sale From: "Nobody's Pants" To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b8fbc12f19004973fafb7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:21:23 +0000 (UTC) --0016363b8fbc12f19004973fafb7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey guys I decided not to sell my EDP's as a package, and have instead put them up on ebay in separate listings. * http://cgi.ebay.com/Oberheim-Echoplex-Digital-Pro-Looper-upgraded-Plus-/120659849297?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item1c17e33051 * http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-Echoplex-Digital-Pro-Plus-Looper-FCB1010-pedal-/120659853135?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item1c17e33f4f Happy bidding! :-) Jeff --0016363b8fbc12f19004973fafb7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey = guys

I decided not to sell my EDP's as a package, and have instead = put them up on ebay in separate listings.

Happy bidding! :-)
Jeff

--0016363b8fbc12f19004973fafb7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 00:45:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55D1418350B; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:45:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:references:from :content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=laW3Sv9VNJR/ApZto5F3lRXan69ma234wCwBVZUULTg=; b=BTcy8szmvkrqp4eaQL/+yxYf8l8uthmG3vfqlY/Vha/Pc+9NR/It4ONKmBogkcL7no laDZAtsni/QDVyJjQfuYdmIHtLCe1EMbWjUxOkEyTRA82iAnqEnjyFctPTWvi3DbjsJn t6ChUvfJ42RJnP74mZXcx15ETTxJ5cLhE592Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=sC4ocnTLem+KHMIf7S1PRZJ0EcWgfM15dVRvKgmsMhnqFymKAaBFSQ0IIVGcONUhA1 cMMBOrTcwAcfuMyRmBrRy/a0REZaSowqB4wK/EMPIZVLnf417eP7QPbXJPuwbMC8sNnB yey/1mVbFBPj0sn29hUQTJvAYsVvXeLPVI3Yc= Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8B117) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:44:39 +0000 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8B117) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:45:17 +0000 (UTC) You should be able to=20 Sent from my iPod On 13 Dec 2010, at 00:08, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:46 AM, mark francombe w= rote: >> Finally got Touch OSC and Audio mulch working flawlessly together... >=20 > Dammit Mark, you won! Would you please mind helping out us less brain > powered creatures by checking if you have the same IP address set > inside the iPhone's TouchOSC as inside the computer's "System > Preferences > Network" ? >=20 >> One thing to think about howver... this is working on Wifi right? How can= >> you be sure to HAVE a wifi connection at your gig? >=20 > I've been thinking about that too and decided to solve it by bringing > my Airport Express. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 00:46:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A7B3183511; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3660 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:46:03 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_CjvPYchL8ZUDTH1O1/568g)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=6 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012120127 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-12_07:2010-12-10,2010-12-12,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <37D747B7-007F-4698-A9A1-675D4D245A4D@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: low range flute improv loopage Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:45:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:46:03 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_CjvPYchL8ZUDTH1O1/568g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT YouTube - R369improv's Channel www.pmguitar.com --Boundary_(ID_CjvPYchL8ZUDTH1O1/568g) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT YouTube - R369improv's Channel


--Boundary_(ID_CjvPYchL8ZUDTH1O1/568g)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 00:47:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05AB0183528; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:references:from :content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=5Boe7GAaDMwcZy8FhylLWDYTIVCrDLtoDINSXDFO58o=; b=LPRtNT5gNAhLDB6nyC/Z9KXTnkHqVbIIlBfzEX05xHGQwTiM6nDjA7Wa/9rK3XBkat b18f/Ajnscm352UfiVxgjeBZyqY9K87LnUMTcrdkM/I+KrPuE/MI3W88s9sLLAr6oHfl A0aHDq0JXimw/4otKcHIBcvAUcWfzpe3JW5e4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=azNhYlQSnvJ4JMV6ActicD87P8VyrGQbr//1MK54oCD1UJSDish0TlYVEbMnBBNvoM qWwCHz2JgkW3ZMJKL0cNZuCsXAP7luxnGppbo8tANVaVJTrszwRfXCSrKXaUB5/O/yjn z2XMpeVRFpIAkW6+dEiiT1lWfNyhEGlmxYucQ= Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8B117) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <396A32CF-1624-47E5-A0D6-EA4C98A9D8B4@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:47:43 +0000 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8B117) Resent-Message-ID: <5iDr7.A.wZG.Q0WBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:47:12 +0000 (UTC) You should be able to set up a network without a router, I think...? One question I have - how do you set up an xy pad when the editor only allow= s you to enter one osc adress? I thought there would be two - one for the x p= arameter and one for the y? Sim Sent from my iPod On 13 Dec 2010, at 00:08, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:46 AM, mark francombe w= rote: >> Finally got Touch OSC and Audio mulch working flawlessly together... >=20 > Dammit Mark, you won! Would you please mind helping out us less brain > powered creatures by checking if you have the same IP address set > inside the iPhone's TouchOSC as inside the computer's "System > Preferences > Network" ? >=20 >> One thing to think about howver... this is working on Wifi right? How can= >> you be sure to HAVE a wifi connection at your gig? >=20 > I've been thinking about that too and decided to solve it by bringing > my Airport Express. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 00:57:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55C4C1834FE; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=lzSMjoUaRszbCaHPsYOQeC4uyfbo5o0ai8oNp7nFImc=; b=agBFq0VMdead04b/YKheVn/3mL3RodLA6gAnDikmTbUaR0RiUC340b40cuR++N4vr/ ucx5hZc4vMKK6HpCVZufOTtQeRGPfvFPPmwypcxQfyrGtVCFfJVIkgoGdTuSx/8hpDcM eB070bjGzJS0HV5Dd9iCeJSCwCEAj6F1i0Nek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=UA/vEG2sI1Nf50xmUc93dsW9BercflNT54x2TTMtkcfNyHKnWDAPaymeKUwfEJ6yBA p20esgS1v9jqIDjd5k3wW1jP/WFjsH7GIbgh6Vp8o3R0qIWt/t6dbN+AXZ5UlD4nC3Rb RT+/mTVFCbChF3vL2DxtcwSmT8PThNlJcB5Vs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <396A32CF-1624-47E5-A0D6-EA4C98A9D8B4@googlemail.com> References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <396A32CF-1624-47E5-A0D6-EA4C98A9D8B4@googlemail.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:57:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a5d06093eb0497403003 Resent-Message-ID: <9-20k.A.MEH.99WBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:57:33 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5a5d06093eb0497403003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I should mention that when I use TouchOSC, I simply set my computer up as its own network, don't even need a router. It's worked just fine. Bests, todd --001636c5a5d06093eb0497403003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I should mention that when I use TouchOSC, I simply set my computer up as i= ts own network, don't even need a router. =A0It's worked just fine.= =A0

Bests,=A0

todd



--001636c5a5d06093eb0497403003-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 01:37:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CA3C1834F2; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 01:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FVYmSc29APgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=t5ar5AgeaeI7lzmPfekA:9 a=uM7Snxnj9ann3Jjf5nLKgL7A2YgA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:37:05 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <01H6_C.A.Ot.DjXBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 01:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi all! I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a number of months now while I explore the world of software looping, Max MSP and other software audio processing possibilities. What are people out there using that sounds really, really good? I can't help but feel that the MOTU I've got is sucking something vital out of my sound - though it comes very highly recommended. It also has enough extra inputs and outputs to make it quite useful and flexible as a stand-alone rackmount mixer. But utility aside, though I can't quite put my finger on it, the sound doesn't ring my bell. I'm just looking for other options and suggestions. The MOTU was loaned to me on indefinite terms by a good friend. I was thinking about buying one (or some other unit) for myself and returning it to its owner. Keeping in mind that I am strictly in the Apple/Mac computer dominion and prefer FireWire connectivity, what do people suggest? Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 01:47:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 229451834EE; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 01:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292204872; bh=trhIrWkeF6pK9SJ37pGqAhwKItDoUYTGinUGef7ieTY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v2kqKOBM5YRCMQP7lGBb9HwrBlXmvJgHaZRYJosMc6ajEkaSXZsa3IrtTXHhT+o7KcpnEsMXaW6ezwGtNiIeOUbKp1kUCNva1hLG/p9dcfvU7+l1JJtBOLGkB0MB9NCsS54vxe93rA+FdEPXoalcygUbGONbCluXBp3YMrllHJ8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rbqsgdkdnz3UzYN0DxaOBBqCS3NdfYcmKVrWr3LoX4L/DwXcCNDhCH/1+crsiXZVZudhSoaBgSdHNroewjBIr7xwQV+f9W4B+Xki70867ctgC77+kHLxx/DlNiSTM9usXCrb1Nxbfb3kTndSjHskvCkD4YYr6gf8dvwpBOtDgz8=; Message-ID: <218727.4483.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wJmRqJ8VM1kiIEp4QCv3qompuMb1mkqvIIxMPkgnhjc0MhH HGP2tvL38S4vr0ck9ktcMrvBDLitXYgdryfsohanu4Is_ENaHgDW0IkqHr2q KE0u6Cj.75VJAzth9YhpAzY9jrPxoIkimHdPjibFgN5jjszfKJZr5tmKuyT4 9OkkFs201BMsW.ms2f0qygUM4s3Ak9qdzR9RUlmEb2hhD12WG9U9GRri.uOQ b6dPWKMq_3FX17TpG6vGo1LrvrJbT6AFZY0eCD27EL6oPpvlypkckiYEbJke EgFBBj9.80uAEVa9w5jiQWJDJZG_7oC7MbyfIMGBWdjIZDlRontB93g3Irmv dv7wHqhqi5e69pLx34pSnG6bJX_4_F5XMsv9KkGGTzhbC0AnWnpxgSk0AJRi w8h9TkR9YoEAGOA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:47:52 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Uccello Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 01:47:53 +0000 (UTC) I use the old 'Firepod' by presonus-not really the greatest pre's but reall= y affordable (like $300 for 8 channels) and if you have some simple tube pr= e-amp direct boxes (I use one by art) you can get good results-But I am act= ually thinking of upgrading to something nicer myself-( Presonus has a tube= interface out that might be cool http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.a= spx?ProductId=3D51 ) so I'll keep my eyes on this thread for ideas-=0A=0A--= - On Sun, 12/12/10, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote:=0A=0A> = From: tEd =AE KiLLiAn =0A> Subject: WHAT SORTS OF F= IREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS?=0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com=0A> Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 5:37 PM=0A> Hi all!=0A= > =0A> I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a=0A> number= of months now while I explore the world of software=0A> looping, Max MSP a= nd other software audio processing=0A> possibilities.=0A> =0A> What are peo= ple out there using that sounds really, really=0A> good?=0A> =0A> I can't h= elp but feel that the MOTU I've got is sucking=0A> something vital out of m= y sound - though it comes very=0A> highly recommended.=0A> =0A> It also has= enough extra inputs and outputs to make it=0A> quite useful and flexible a= s a stand-alone rackmount mixer.=0A> =0A> But utility aside, though I can't= quite put my finger on=0A> it, the sound doesn't ring my bell.=0A> =0A> I'= m just looking for other options and suggestions.=0A> =0A> The MOTU was loa= ned to me on indefinite terms by a good=0A> friend.=0A> =0A> I was thinking= about buying one (or some other unit) for=0A> myself and returning it to i= ts owner.=0A> =0A> Keeping in mind that I am strictly in the Apple/Mac=0A> = computer dominion and prefer FireWire connectivity, what do=0A> people sugg= est?=0A> =0A> Best,=0A> =0A> Ted Killian=0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 01:57:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D9111834F0; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 01:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kyF8rrk8K3ZFjqXstPTiNQZWsf7pkqJt4YveJZAjL6o=; b=qcJ5pvdjYlqvrmfYd+MEFkBB/a+8WFLWJyS+udQmsGAzQx5+ve53f8qr4zuyt0ICxf aE8pzWpxrttRt2LWXmY0Znww5ya+wCK88LgOm52xQ4fOFMpXWH/cPUyKRgeghSH+8wZw 08pT2GsRyCM5sAVMGlFaiWe2qmJUC2/quFYXw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lmknch1IU7V8JsUKlwYHMhLAJFQ7vtAN1F4yzpEPlp2vgOtlMNC/LtelX0oWf/a0Ka 5JaoTYLYaHjFDuAJcZquYwYpxbi7cWA9+Df4yTKP6HFB5G8qxMHitGEj1gAqWZI8SSSn Gmttn3ZEpT68sr5vbLSrd7M/u39Z3Zmh1XfDA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <218727.4483.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> <218727.4483.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 02:57:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016361e801aa5c214049741054b Resent-Message-ID: <9E4OBC.A.4hB.31XBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 01:57:11 +0000 (UTC) --0016361e801aa5c214049741054b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable get this ... no driver issues pc or mac ... it works on all computers i hav= e around (that's 2 pcs & 2 macs) ... in their top models (8 & 12 ins) conversion is top notch, using IIR filters. http://echoaudio.com/ 2010/12/13 Steve Uccello > I use the old 'Firepod' by presonus-not really the greatest pre's but > really affordable (like $300 for 8 channels) and if you have some simple > tube pre-amp direct boxes (I use one by art) you can get good results-But= I > am actually thinking of upgrading to something nicer myself-( Presonus ha= s a > tube interface out that might be cool > http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=3D51 ) so I'll kee= p > my eyes on this thread for ideas- > > --- On Sun, 12/12/10, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > > > From: tEd =AE KiLLiAn > > Subject: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 5:37 PM > > Hi all! > > > > I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a > > number of months now while I explore the world of software > > looping, Max MSP and other software audio processing > > possibilities. > > > > What are people out there using that sounds really, really > > good? > > > > I can't help but feel that the MOTU I've got is sucking > > something vital out of my sound - though it comes very > > highly recommended. > > > > It also has enough extra inputs and outputs to make it > > quite useful and flexible as a stand-alone rackmount mixer. > > > > But utility aside, though I can't quite put my finger on > > it, the sound doesn't ring my bell. > > > > I'm just looking for other options and suggestions. > > > > The MOTU was loaned to me on indefinite terms by a good > > friend. > > > > I was thinking about buying one (or some other unit) for > > myself and returning it to its owner. > > > > Keeping in mind that I am strictly in the Apple/Mac > > computer dominion and prefer FireWire connectivity, what do > > people suggest? > > > > Best, > > > > Ted Killian > > > > > > > > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminad= a, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta q= ue ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!, no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com --0016361e801aa5c214049741054b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable get this ... no driver issues pc or mac ... it works on all computers i hav= e around (that's 2 pcs & 2 macs) ... in their top models (8 & 1= 2 ins) conversion is top notch, using IIR filters.

http://echoaudio.com/

2010/12/13 Steve Uccello &= lt;stevebassbird@yahoo.com&g= t;
I use the old 'Firepod' by presonus-not really the greatest pre'= ;s but really affordable (like $300 for 8 channels) and if you have some si= mple tube pre-amp direct boxes (I use one by art) you can get good results-= But I am actually thinking of upgrading to something nicer myself-( Presonu= s has a tube interface out that might be cool http://www.pre= sonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=3D51 ) so I'll keep my eye= s on this thread for ideas-

--- On Sun, 12/12/10, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:

> From: tEd =AE KiLLiAn <te= dkillian@charter.net>
> Subject: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS?=
> To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 5:37 PM
> Hi all!
>
> I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a
> number of months now while I explore the world of software
> looping, Max MSP and other software audio processing
> possibilities.
>
> What are people out there using that sounds really, really
> good?
>
> I can't help but feel that the MOTU I've got is sucking
> something vital out of my sound - though it comes very
> highly recommended.
>
> It also has enough extra inputs and outputs to make it
> quite useful and flexible as a stand-alone rackmount mixer.
>
> But utility aside, though I can't quite put my finger on
> it, the sound doesn't ring my bell.
>
> I'm just looking for other options and suggestions.
>
> The MOTU was loaned to me on indefinite terms by a good
> friend.
>
> I was thinking about buying one (or some other unit) for
> myself and returning it to its owner.
>
> Keeping in mind that I am strictly in the Apple/Mac
> computer dominion and prefer FireWire connectivity, what do
> people suggest?
>
> Best,
>
> Ted Killian
>
>







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I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que e= stava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda = de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sti= es!, no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? &q= uot;

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--0016361e801aa5c214049741054b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 02:08:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D70421834F0; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 02:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=0Di+2EX1MtnbALZVfchgKQeFruhKacucNfrplVKzu4A=; b=aK2MZVweE2A7b282nxI4525EOYKUOtPBCa7pZli6pIjvyimx/m3+hj8NU02GIQIDC9 LjC5G+icGs43TIwZ/5X7WeNMdmUIuxpYQxMud6BC6pC0Ib/T0l7Wl7MHYx34MY6cotei smuObZ1CAohLOcuKmzgCymc9Ig6h6tHUR9jws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=mvgX4c0iAi77F+lGyyoG9HJjl/8rrGCqcu0UBwUXo3OmCKhksV2Gz0jYxoUvyFzPtE xt9H3ZDUA/b6XZqeE9Rsv06Sewgnp3nkeH6utCnGrxgn54lGYqwpNGRtPdJcsbMKn2eF 70sKdG2WEWILhesiE2JwYga2LkieVANhbTPbY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> From: todd reynolds Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:07:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a4c53c9e730497412ca2 Resent-Message-ID: <3woEvD.A.T1B.-_XBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 02:07:59 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a4c53c9e730497412ca2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ted, I've enjoyed both a Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 for years as my mai= n recording rig and an RME Fireface 400 as my mobile rig. Also use Ultralite= s and Travelers on occasion. nothing beats the Mobile I/O for sound though. bests, todd On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:37 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wr= ote: > Hi all! > > I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a number of month= s > now while I explore the world of software looping, Max MSP and other > software audio processing possibilities. > > --20cf3054a4c53c9e730497412ca2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ted, I've enjoyed both a Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 for years as my= main recording rig and an RME Fireface 400 as my mobile rig. =A0Also use U= ltralites and Travelers on occasion. nothing beats the Mobile I/O for sound= though.=A0

bests,=A0

--20cf3054a4c53c9e730497412ca2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 02:49:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 658ED1834E4; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 02:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YBySIBMiSm5i4goLRcCGzpEoslfdVVD5QIfsU0alOko=; b=em8DD/uopxLrKQwfbrDCmKcsX1xPwMpcmJjF6nifmvq08bkqJkLbvuZZsAWUFjRjFL p+w2kz6HAK251ccKlSL+Ki3L023lgDhZVw0GEQikVZmtIQTqnZ9b7jq2gqjhQaNWPIU9 XDqTQiWCHsAGI8R1Wcq304QYGDY5oYbAe2Aqg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=n2ReM4zj6AbbMvlX1OtnKJoBCm68L2A7GQArTmNdC+G9FCoLBC/IQqDCFWYRje0g+q 4Ys1sq9WTOSBgbdeF2ptIDiFDlwxOTqybmriHyxl5/KechV4udtOTmL5Cc7YtWHmBpAY IAyo9bkUHmLTlHgWge/Vvu40LSM6JB/uTfEhI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:49:17 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <8cTvdD.A.WDD.vmYBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 02:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Aren't the Apogee interfaces supposed to have exceptional sound (not cheap though). Kevin On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:07 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > Hi Ted, I've enjoyed both a Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 for years as my m= ain > recording rig and an RME Fireface 400 as my mobile rig. =A0Also use Ultra= lites > and Travelers on occasion. nothing beats the Mobile I/O for sound though. > bests, > todd > > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:37 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn > wrote: >> >> Hi all! >> >> I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a number of mont= hs >> now while I explore the world of software looping, Max MSP and other >> software audio processing possibilities. >> > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 03:18:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF58C1834E3; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 03:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RTSrhZVI1SkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=vn1L7EiYDJlP7tsMCHEA:9 a=uP7n4dvwraV0KecR8iAA:7 a=rFHkzwn5lBW49eh5KBBx_UjbW1kA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=2khgYov0zGLXK6hD:21 a=YdccV_Blf_5K5M2_:21 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:17:57 -0800 References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 03:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Ooofda! At a price like that, no wonder the Metric Halo hadn't appeared on my =20= radar. (Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 =3D $1,895) Even the RME 400 is a bit pricier than my humble wallet can afford. (RME Fireface 400 =3D RME Fireface 400) Like Kevin said, I have heard some really good things about the Apogee =20= Duet, though it's mere 2 in and 2 out is pretty limiting. (Apogee Duet =3D $499.95) I just don't know anyone "in the field" using one. I appreciate all input though. I am considering anything I can afford...let's say under $800 Thanks, Ted On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Aren't the Apogee interfaces supposed to have exceptional sound (not > cheap though). > > Kevin > > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:07 PM, todd reynolds =20= > wrote: >> Hi Ted, I've enjoyed both a Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 for years =20 >> as my main >> recording rig and an RME Fireface 400 as my mobile rig. Also use =20 >> Ultralites >> and Travelers on occasion. nothing beats the Mobile I/O for sound =20 >> though. >> bests, >> todd >> >> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:37 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn = > > >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all! >>> >>> I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a number =20 >>> of months >>> now while I explore the world of software looping, Max MSP and other >>> software audio processing possibilities. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 03:20:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A8501834E3; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 03:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lavtS8Y20byBdP8/hCi3xxrusVyLJ3fn8e7r3IHI1ss=; b=YRzEPl0bNwWZ8SZ88LQQX8LnK2uwszYJDH24cyW9kAMoTUDAsbCYNNBH6CzNHA4mmp r4wBBg6x6zZWjR/E2sKKA6t8lryWILIGiWVwGDwL6xYktHwTSu8DslOejeahK/ZEDzsA 0FqHOf9gAnB4poy1M2c998zgLrHYHvETZrXHA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=JVN+dmLWTWJXutgpbeuwwz3nyDB4QdxRXz6pagY7/ga9oGbyXXX94WyfDy4CuIlDnV /YfewUjLJtt8cxjAMe30sMa16HdfVocIdtE1Rt3d7RuYi8xJchHw/VPWq+gniVS9By+r MPzLwf12gijaQQrV+4hft0Juo7zpacnVXOomU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:20:49 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151750e9d4d546d504974230d4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 03:20:50 +0000 (UTC) --00151750e9d4d546d504974230d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable do yourself a huge favor and find a used rme fireface. - jim On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:17 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn w= rote: > Ooofda! > > At a price like that, no wonder the Metric Halo hadn't appeared on my > radar. > > (Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 =3D $1,895) > > Even the RME 400 is a bit pricier than my humble wallet can afford. > > (RME Fireface 400 =3D RME Fireface 400) > > Like Kevin said, I have heard some really good things about the Apogee > Duet, though it's mere 2 in and 2 out is pretty limiting. > > (Apogee Duet =3D $499.95) > > I just don't know anyone "in the field" using one. > > I appreciate all input though. > > I am considering anything I can afford...let's say under $800 > > Thanks, > > Ted > > > On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > Aren't the Apogee interfaces supposed to have exceptional sound (not >> cheap though). >> >> Kevin >> >> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:07 PM, todd reynolds >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Ted, I've enjoyed both a Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 for years as my >>> main >>> recording rig and an RME Fireface 400 as my mobile rig. Also use >>> Ultralites >>> and Travelers on occasion. nothing beats the Mobile I/O for sound thoug= h. >>> bests, >>> todd >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:37 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi all! >>>> >>>> I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a number of >>>> months >>>> now while I explore the world of software looping, Max MSP and other >>>> software audio processing possibilities. >>>> >>> >>> > --00151750e9d4d546d504974230d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable do yourself a huge favor and find a used rme fireface.

- jim

=
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:17 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiA= n <tedkillia= n@charter.net> wrote:
Ooofda!

At a price like that, no wonder the Metric Halo hadn't appeared on my r= adar.

(Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 =3D $1,895)

Even the RME 400 is a bit pricier than my humble wallet can afford.

(RME Fireface 400 =3D RME Fireface 400)

Like Kevin said, I have heard some really good things about the Apogee Duet= , though it's mere 2 in and 2 out is pretty limiting.

(Apogee Duet =3D $499.95)

I just don't know anyone "in the field" using one.

I appreciate all input though.

I am considering anything I can afford...let's say under $800

Thanks,

Ted


On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:

Aren't the Apogee interfaces supposed to have exceptional sound (not cheap though).

Kevin

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:07 PM, todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ted, I've enjoyed both a Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 for years as my= main
recording rig and an RME Fireface 400 as my mobile rig. =A0Also use Ultrali= tes
and Travelers on occasion. nothing beats the Mobile I/O for sound though. bests,
todd

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:37 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>
wrote:

Hi all!

I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a number of months<= br> now while I explore the world of software looping, Max MSP and other
software audio processing possibilities.



--00151750e9d4d546d504974230d4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 04:49:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA96C1834D6; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 04:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fBWrQl9rAmgrK+NkqXfJQav0VKcYjWmao9Y8WGbNJow=; b=DXmzY8UsH2FTWdEdS1Gy/skjvwIwa59SKg1TfqScFhXKwRBF/uLtdNr4MT8LAOLM3v JqelSY8+zp+3L2ynrYCsiQ5GcvyVx+mdgfmQmwLuUxsA/Gy5Rte+iCvvReVYkzPyX9lm dySp9l0iNj2rzVrKcPwMfylY605sqvmQlP6II= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=PsE8TAaKKjjgtAACEr7tc71TLB9nJnaNuuTtaGMpUScrSJzbQyj3+OPRSttUQ4UOkv W9jmqMmhdycwS65H6tq06PKX98ZxglrUzFaSeP9N+hBNkn75TvGiImCLSrG4fvkwrs7q QU0g2dCyuME60iZ3fBSalD1p4BG/hVxROopIA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:49:17 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: Clifford Novey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65a0dfc3385260497436d59 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 04:49:19 +0000 (UTC) --0016e65a0dfc3385260497436d59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I can certainly concur with the RME reccomendation- used, older model, whatever. I am reluctantly selling my PCI based Hammerfall system that I LOVED. Main thing with RME is their reliability, well written drivers (performance), and killer support. I had one of their engineers tweak a driver for me once for a minor issue. wow. I've heard great things about the Apogee Duet- if sound quality is you number one priority. I'm going to sell the Motu Ultrlite Mk3 I bought a few months ago- the built in reverb only works at up to 48KHz and I also am thinking of simplifying with a Mackie Onyx i series mixer (analog mixer and i/o for computer)- but I have really liked the Motu otherwise. Solid, flexible, functions without a computer, etc. Happy shopping- Clifford --0016e65a0dfc3385260497436d59 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can certainly concur with the RME reccomendation- used, older model,= whatever. I am reluctantly selling my PCI based Hammerfall system that I L= OVED. Main thing with RME is their reliability, well written drivers (perfo= rmance), and killer support. I had one of their engineers tweak a driver fo= r me once for a minor issue. wow.
I've heard great things about the Apogee Duet- if sound quality is= you number one priority.
I'm going to sell the Motu Ultrlite Mk3 I bought a few months ago-= the built in reverb only works at up to 48KHz and I also am thinking of si= mplifying with a Mackie Onyx i series mixer (analog mixer and i/o for compu= ter)- but I have really liked=A0the Motu=A0otherwise. Solid, flexible, func= tions without a computer, etc.
Happy shopping-
Clifford
=A0
--0016e65a0dfc3385260497436d59-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 05:30:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA42D1834D2; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 05:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VNQzvDihCu6l3m94iFPgk1TZWWWtJA3fpxTX1zB5Psg=; b=gJmAn/HFm/orSRp9uwuVGeG55JhvdwWLMfNoGegiFkRj3UCGMCDAQ9PjZgaWpShg0E 6n9rL848AjmoZayuyqF770vhbvZD3fEquiUb+rEtTn+L0LPUoz59cDm4HHVkya42bnGI RJGtu2TPuj9DabwToC3CO2FldZNHwLSoNx8jg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=FbdgEbIu/rgGGprRyfW686jPbEUzt51Z0Jb+3vq1EpDkpM7PCTrjp83aXPoPmnlTq6 q13I601pv9lJb7Wgmw/7ghfIGZK4UYpo6IrSMQ+j6Q3ZrwBGrsklcE2h1d0f/fovFkCD OoLxCOU70z8Xf4eRFJ766XWT1e44cpF3/R4fo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:30:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3d043bbe9b049743ff5a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 05:30:09 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c3d043bbe9b049743ff5a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy with my Firepod. On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:37 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wr= ote: > Hi all! > > I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a number of month= s > now while I explore the world of software looping, Max MSP and other > software audio processing possibilities. > > What are people out there using that sounds really, really good? > > I can't help but feel that the MOTU I've got is sucking something vital o= ut > of my sound - though it comes very highly recommended. > > It also has enough extra inputs and outputs to make it quite useful and > flexible as a stand-alone rackmount mixer. > > But utility aside, though I can't quite put my finger on it, the sound > doesn't ring my bell. > > I'm just looking for other options and suggestions. > > The MOTU was loaned to me on indefinite terms by a good friend. > > I was thinking about buying one (or some other unit) for myself and > returning it to its owner. > > Keeping in mind that I am strictly in the Apple/Mac computer dominion and > prefer FireWire connectivity, what do people suggest? > > Best, > > Ted Killian > > --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony --0015174c3d043bbe9b049743ff5a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy with my Firepod.

On Sun, Dec 12, 20= 10 at 8:37 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Hi all!

I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a number of months = now while I explore the world of software looping, Max MSP and other softwa= re audio processing possibilities.

What are people out there using that sounds really, really good?

I can't help but feel that the MOTU I've got is sucking something v= ital out of my sound - though it comes very highly recommended.

It also has enough extra inputs and outputs to make it quite useful and fle= xible as a stand-alone rackmount mixer.

But utility aside, though I can't quite put my finger on it, the sound = doesn't ring my bell.

I'm just looking for other options and suggestions.

The MOTU was loaned to me on indefinite terms by a good friend.

I was thinking about buying one (or some other unit) for myself and returni= ng it to its owner.

Keeping in mind that I am strictly in the Apple/Mac computer dominion and p= refer FireWire connectivity, what do people suggest?

Best,

Ted Killian




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--0015174c3d043bbe9b049743ff5a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 05:45:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F1361834D1; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 05:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:44:57 +0900 Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: Dustbunnies To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Thread-Index: AcuaiN+7N8KdSJ0NS8avhk41B+wgHw== In-Reply-To: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2IP1zD.A.1kB.eLbBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 05:45:02 +0000 (UTC) On 12/13/10 10:37 AM, "tEd =AE KiLLiAn" wrote: >=20 > Keeping in mind that I am strictly in the Apple/Mac computer dominion > and prefer FireWire connectivity, what do people suggest? I've had extremely good luck with the Edirol interfaces. I've purchased both the FA-101 (10x10) and the FA-66 (6x6). No glitching, 10 minute setup= , plenty of features and great sound. Can't complain about either interface. Additionally, I had need of a super-small FireWire interface a while back, and Per hipped me onto the Echo AudioFire 2. It was exactly what I needed: 2in/2out with S/PDIF, MIDI, & even a phone output (bonus!). All in a box about the same size as a pack of smokes. Sounds exceptional, so if you're in the market, I'd check out their stuff. Finally, I'd be careful with an Apogee purchase. I always thought their stuff was supposed to be the cat's meow, then I started getting on some hi-end audio engineering and mastering forums a couple years ago. These were mostly guys who wouldn't sneeze twice at spending 5 grand on an A/D or D/A converter, and they did not have a high opinion of Apogee at all. Their opinion was that the quality was in the same general range as the MOTU interfaces, but the price was way out of whack for that level of performance. Overall, they didn't think the Apogee boxes were bad product, just that they were priced way too high for the quality that came out of them, and that almost any other "pro" interface could wipe the carpet with them. That said, I believe the Duo is actually reasonably priced, so that may remove some of that argument. But overall, the mastering guys were looking at most of the Apogee interfaces as way overpriced for the quality that you get. If you're going to spend that much money, there are better choices ou= t there. --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 05:55:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC0161834D6; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 05:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fvuINt8WlYP0zjrtm385RlnuXvz4UhP3W+V/ZXfK+sY=; b=iLK8gbpbltbWGNPjpAuFqPHPm1Kp2z5qM+GwVoydRMn8wpoiiLr9c9TR3wHG4Z4BqT 9i42nTDJBvLkRPf4dQRrZwd9s8C0G3rahyPSn4yy9PGFTTNHG7vRWFxv1lXu7U4qYGVx G7M38pMq80B9MalMdiWycEfWaSyqMrob+P6MQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=CM1qKUgCzpJ6hTPnj5E10nh+jgHCLSgeoTFsatQ7Vc2m4ticGSm2SjhQwBdznDkw1d LdxQC8FfT4oyVvblIXP0cXSgGumElIWEho9JMDtf2DOoqiA+vLt/wXEwdtpew4OyWb1d orWRNDHiqfuIpeq9PP4KdH7jMyBxSOjtvO1Ng= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <167246.86890.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:55:17 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Trash My MP3 - UNDO Edition From: Clifford Novey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65a0dfc42485b0497445985 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 05:55:19 +0000 (UTC) --0016e65a0dfc42485b0497445985 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I liked it- thanks for sharing. What tools did you use? Clifford On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Sounds great and evolves with a nice flow over time. Good looping. Enjoyed > it. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:58 AM, david kirkdorffer > wrote: > > This is a rough mix of something I recorded 10-10-10. There are a few > things > > I want address in the mix, but the basic idea is here.. and so now it's > time > > to TRASH MY MP3! :-) > > > > http://soundcloud.com/undomusic/02-track-2 > > --0016e65a0dfc42485b0497445985 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I liked it- thanks for sharing. What tools did you use?
Clifford

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.co= m> wrote:
Sounds great and evolves with a = nice flow over time. Good looping. Enjoyed it.

Greetings from Sweden=

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:58 AM, david kirkdo= rffer
<unstrungone@yahoo.com= > wrote:
> This is a rough mix of something I recorded 10-10-1= 0. There are a few things
> I want address in the mix, but the basic idea is here.. and so now it&= #39;s time
> to TRASH MY MP3! :-)
>
> http://soundcloud.com= /undomusic/02-track-2


--0016e65a0dfc42485b0497445985-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 05:56:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CD2B1834D5; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 05:56:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=68hWVmblVcgVcm1qBzDW3Ax6ftcPtuiGorSxYtwjZME=; b=TS44Viuund9ZLFbh0BUOf8aiw/k3DcvobebDz/ZuQrMcNJTgzLFkOIbUU1fPabmvrU k6nCi/8+ZBZr8M1c3gOVzEQnkLkl0JxwWhN2OmUN/y7587sfAaJrwrC6PHbzbHl4RODy x/oYS2RshUltW9q5FDxkY5BXylNX5mKkVaUXk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mQ3Hw0PKclSF3uwp+4K2yTVlCjms9SKtDm1zWyoy7MJUGvRZOCw+ksc0FzpFbBonc7 gOoP8tucwI1zcYAI+5JzxYpnEb5YYufMbJD7rzHaj4RL4tfiNwywWBZS/32rZcYDasDf Bgap6/GaaoVTr7Tv1GkkeJGqLaRzNfPOBlLyM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <167246.86890.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <167246.86890.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 06:56:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Trash My MP3 - UNDO Edition From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64bff447125710497445eb3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 05:56:45 +0000 (UTC) --0016e64bff447125710497445eb3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable kool! as expected ... 2010/12/11 david kirkdorffer > Hi - > > This is a rough mix of something I recorded 10-10-10. There are a few > things I want address in the mix, but the basic idea is here.. and so now > it's time to TRASH MY MP3! :-) > > http://soundcloud.com/undomusic/02-track-2 > > David > > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminad= a, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta q= ue ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!, no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com --0016e64bff447125710497445eb3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable kool! as expected ...

2010/12/11 david ki= rkdorffer <un= strungone@yahoo.com>
Hi=A0 -
=A0
This is a rough mix of something I recorded 10-10-10. There are a few = things I want address in the mix, but the basic idea is here.. and so now i= t's time to TRASH MY MP3! :-)

http://sound= cloud.com/undomusic/02-track-2
=A0
David
=A0




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I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que e= stava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda = de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sti= es!, no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? &q= uot;

http://raulb= onell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com

--0016e64bff447125710497445eb3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 07:30:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05C591834D4; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 07:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 23:30:44 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 07:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Hey Ted I'm curious are you running directly in to the MOTU and using amp sims and effects plug ins? or are you going stereo direct and using hardware effects and or amp simulators? Before I would even recommend interfaces I'm curious why it sounds so lame to you and wonder if you would elaborate in more specific detail. Are you clipping your inputs, do you have anything acting as a buffer between your guitar and the interface, are using any compression to smooth your transients? does it sound harsh and or sterile? Even a higher end interface with better converters like the Apogee stuff can sound brittle if you are hitting it too hard. I've used a MOTU 2408 for several years now and its worked fine. I've never been bothered by its sound or latency. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 08:35:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5AF81834D4; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 08:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eh1oBjcV25J81lQ7nAc9yTy97weuYCkOr9jnlcxiNjI=; b=RQuaf3GYNY8krmobrA5SWu0dfXbN9L3mwgAc41OBp2YeUAbkuBlRBzJSTmiZ6gNUWV O/ie7sjzY9HEXbsDpgq+RavsxdtZy7uvnt33ZngmaXPwPmiLsXkj9JGFW36i6UPugpKX CxaxGVVshu7xbNAiiYZ/cjkQqwq9uaA90gVJ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qyuMqUyhT/RLwp5YVcEu9mIbejGf0hYzYHDFfk4COByWhQJ/AkcAl8Oi0Iqor9OH9H rVMo83tPYpZoO9jIwhGK2SNKx7c9vWywmkHnv6U/L9NPlO5fhTuSy8uWOCNhW4fQtcHE Dg4LrTjZolwAXBTPCbuluh5y5F8wOyBLrwTpo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:35:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: Doc Rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b8b242bd650049746962c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 08:35:30 +0000 (UTC) --0016363b8b242bd650049746962c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I used to use an Edirol UA-700. It was fine but I was never that wild about the sound so never did any serious recording with it. Now I'm using a Saffire Pro-24. I like the sound - I play acoustic with a couple of Josephson C42s, and I recently recorded my 4-piece acoustic group with 4 mics. It also works stand-alone and it performs well as a small mixer. However, I've been having connectivity problems. Some days it just will not show up and can take a long time before it does. I've been corresponding with one of their techies and he thinks that either the 400-800 cable isn't any good and I should use an adapter on an 800 cable instead, or that I should go direct into the MacBook rather than through my external drive. I've tried all of that and more and still have problems. The irritating thing is that some days it works fine, other days it's just moody as hell. Personally, I think it's a software issue. I appreciate the flexibility of being able to program the interface, but I think I would prefer straight hardware with on/off switches. I guess those days are gone... Anyway, not exactly a recommendation, but the pre-amps are good. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:30 AM, William Walker wrote: > Hey Ted I'm curious are you running directly in to the MOTU and using amp > sims and effects plug ins? or are you going stereo direct and using hardware > effects and or amp simulators? > Before I would even recommend interfaces I'm curious why it sounds so lame > to you and wonder if you would elaborate in more specific detail. Are you > clipping your inputs, do you have anything acting as a buffer between your > guitar and the interface, are using any compression to smooth your > transients? does it sound harsh and or sterile? Even a higher end interface > with better converters like the Apogee stuff can sound brittle if you are > hitting it too hard. I've used a MOTU 2408 for several years now and its > worked fine. I've never been bothered by its sound or latency. > Bill > > --0016363b8b242bd650049746962c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used to use an Edirol UA-700. =A0It was fine but I was never that wild ab= out the sound so never did any serious recording with it. Now I'm using= a Saffire Pro-24. =A0I like the sound - I play acoustic with a couple of J= osephson C42s, and I recently recorded my 4-piece acoustic group with 4 mic= s. It also works stand-alone and it performs well as a small mixer.=A0

However, I've been having connectivity problems. =A0Some= days it just will not show up and can take a long time before it does. =A0= I've been corresponding with one of their techies and he thinks that ei= ther the 400-800 cable isn't any good and I should use an adapter on an= 800 cable instead, or that I should go direct into the MacBook rather than= through my external drive. I've tried all of that and more and still h= ave problems. =A0The irritating thing is that some days it works fine, othe= r days it's just moody as hell. =A0Personally, I think it's a softw= are issue.

I appreciate the flexibility of being able to program the in= terface, but I think I would prefer straight hardware with on/off switches.= =A0I guess those days are gone...

Anyway, not exa= ctly a recommendation, but the pre-amps are good.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Willia= m Walker <bi= llwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
Hey Ted I'm curious are you running directly in to the MOTU and using a= mp sims and effects plug ins? or are you going stereo direct and using hard= ware effects and or amp simulators?
Before I would even recommend interfaces I'm curious why it sounds so l= ame to you and wonder if you would elaborate =A0in more specific detail. = =A0 Are you clipping your inputs, do you have anything acting as a buffer b= etween your guitar and the interface, are =A0using any compression to smoot= h your transients? =A0does it sound harsh and or sterile? Even a higher end= interface with better converters like the Apogee stuff can sound brittle i= f you are hitting it too hard. I've used a MOTU 2408 for several years = now and its worked fine. =A0I've never been bothered by its sound or la= tency.
=A0Bill


--0016363b8b242bd650049746962c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 08:39:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8F091834D4; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 08:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Y9O2hOFxkk/6CjTmwSRp1bT6rIJ+/Jcb41XMiDUjua4=; b=ksAtjlajpgaVMh+9A2BndcRhxwIIm/Hbvt4rlgVR863sR1/XPfSHNoEOEMST0Q7LxX 18ZK64AP39B9f8euYQdaLuNx4kJhlUfA585B5CuhxeZr33xDhcYgxGxR4d4cyGPSuQBO smQFmiQbMxYONspghsTux+bxW9FCK5rWfmTBw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=E5MhtKzfCyKfczWKriweezuLaScdR7JAxvTaHlzynz/TCzh73F4rd9Hyiu6R6aDQsg xjicQrBDigCvfu84qlqzjGWYKOo3WhPnFrMvOfEyEpSDdM6FOjxBlLwjSeqAd3mQD2BL LY3eqYAOZhPC+wr9M+55DjS61XtIzyekLvyAg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:38:54 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YM0-NUfx95eb9zQwdm5KloFSEPc Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e81aa97c071049746a3e3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 08:39:16 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e81aa97c071049746a3e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 wrote: > > Finally got Touch OSC and Audio mulch working flawlessly together... > > Dammit Mark, you won! Would you please mind helping out us less brain > powered creatures by checking if you have the same IP address set > inside the iPhone's TouchOSC as inside the computer's "System > Preferences > Network" ? > No, I didnt go there, I used my sharing name. For example, in System Prefs, under sharing, you generally have a name. Probably Pers Computer, or MyMachine.. Mine is called topsecret (now Im not sure if this matters, or if it was a glitch, but it DIDNT WORK untill I closed the gap between top and secret. Then in touchOSC under Network, I have topsecret:local Click inside there and Port outgoing 8000 Port incoming 9000 Local ip address (this might be what you are referring to Per???) assigned itself automatically, and no.. its doesn't seem to be the same. But then I have 2 routers in between my Airport Express and my computer, maybe it doesnt show up correctly (out of my knowledge here really) But I know when its working, because when I fire ip OSCulator, in TouchOSC on the iPhone, below the ipaddress fiels appears a new entry that says topsecret:8000 (OSCulator). then Sim said One question I have - how do you set up an xy pad when the editor only allows you to enter one osc adress? I thought there would be two - one for the x parameter and one for the y? Sim OK I havent even D/led the editor fr Touch OSC yet. Im doing everything inOSCulator. One you have a connection to OSCulator, numbers appear in its window. if you load up a Layout on Touch (try Simple) then find the Simple layout in the Osculator folder, this is just a premade map. you can of course make your own, but for now, you dont need to. Now when you move your finger on the XY layout on Simple, you can see the entry 3/xy light up. This entry has a turn down triangle. click it and you see 2 entries. 1 and 0. 1 is X and 0 is Y. Now you go into your host, or whatever you wanna control (AM for me) make sure Osculator is showing up as a midi in. then midi learn the things you want to teach. How to do this will differ. but... HERES THE TRICK... The xy WILL response BOTH ways when you move it, so WHile you do you learn, you must temporarily turn off one OSC stream. (Making up terminology here.. hope you get it) In Audio Mulch there is the Meta Surface... (beginning to think I should make a tutorial video on this...) I go to Parameter Control select the X of the metasurface, then in Osculator TURN OFF THE Y DIRECTION (thats 0) AND click learn in AudioMulch... then I move my finger on the iPhone... it learns X. then I selct Y in AudioMulch Metasurface, turn off X in OSCulator and hit learn in Mulch... and do a learn... DONE... SAVE AUDIO MULCH!!!!! Im home today, so if theres any interest in it I can do a screenshot video for ya... ... Sim also said: >You should be able to set up a network without a router, I think...? So how do I set up a network just between my computer and my phone? > > One thing to think about howver... this is working on Wifi right? How can > > you be sure to HAVE a wifi connection at your gig? > > I've been thinking about that too and decided to solve it by bringing > my Airport Express. > > YIKES NOOoooo.. Im trying to SIMPLIFY my system, not complicated it.. Per... you know what? You could get your computer, and fadefox and iphone and ipad and put it all in a 19" rack unit...? um.. er.. wait... a minute.. -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e81aa97c071049746a3e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0<mark@markfrancombe.com= > wrote:
> Finally got Touch OSC and Audio mulch working flawlessly together...
Dammit Mark, you won! Would you please mind helping out us less brain=
powered creatures by checking if you have the same IP address set
inside the iPhone's TouchOSC as inside the computer's "System<= br> Preferences > Network" ?

No, I didnt go th= ere, I used my sharing name.

For example, in System Prefs, under sh= aring, you generally have a name. Probably Pers Computer,=A0 or MyMachine..=

Mine is called topsecret (now Im not sure if this matters, or if it was= a glitch, but it DIDNT WORK untill I closed the gap between top and secret= .

Then in touchOSC under Network, I have topsecret:local
Click in= side there and Port outgoing 8000 Port incoming 9000
Local ip address (this might be what you are referring to Per???) assigned = itself automatically, and no.. its doesn't seem to be the same. But the= n I have 2 routers in between my Airport Express and my computer, maybe it = doesnt show up correctly (out of my knowledge here really)

But I know when its working, because when I fire ip OSCulator,=A0 in To= uchOSC on the iPhone, below the ipaddress fiels appears a new entry that sa= ys
topsecret:8000 (OSCulator).

then Sim said

One question = I have - how do you set up an xy pad when the editor only=20 allows you to enter one osc adress? I thought there would be two - one=20 for the x parameter and one for the y?

Sim

OK I havent even D/led the editor fr Touch OSC yet. Im doing eve= rything inOSCulator.

One you have a connection to OSCulator, numbers= appear in its window.
if you load up a Layout on Touch (try Simple) the= n find the Simple layout in the Osculator folder,=A0 this is just a premade= map. you can of course make your own, but for now, you dont need to.
Now when you move your finger on the XY layout on Simple, you can see the e= ntry 3/xy light up. This entry has a turn down triangle. click it and you s= ee 2 entries. 1 and 0.

1 is X and 0 is Y.

Now you go into you= r host, or whatever you wanna control (AM for me) make sure Osculator is sh= owing up as a midi in. then midi learn the things you want to teach. How to= do this will differ. but...
HERES THE TRICK...

The xy WILL response BOTH ways when you move it, = so WHile you do you learn, you must temporarily turn off one OSC stream. (M= aking up terminology here.. hope you get it)

In Audio Mulch there is= the Meta Surface... (beginning to think I should make a tutorial video on = this...)
I go to Parameter Control select the X of the metasurface, then in Osculato= r TURN OFF THE Y DIRECTION (thats 0) AND click learn in AudioMulch... then = I move my finger on the iPhone... it learns X. then I selct Y in AudioMulch= Metasurface, turn off X in OSCulator and hit learn in Mulch... and do a le= arn...

DONE... SAVE AUDIO MULCH!!!!!

Im home today, so if theres any in= terest in it I can do a screenshot video for ya...

...
Sim also = said:

>You should be able to set up a network without a router, I= think...?

So how do I set up a network just between my computer and my phone?
=

> One thing to think about howver... this is working on Wifi right? How = can
> you be sure to HAVE a wifi connection at your gig?

I've been thinking about that too and decided to solve it by brin= ging
my Airport Express.


YIK= ES NOOoooo.. Im trying to SIMPLIFY my system, not complicated it.. Per...= =A0 you know what?
You could get your computer, and fadefox and iphone = and ipad and put it all in a 19" rack unit...?

um.. er.. wait... a minute..


-- mark francombe
www.markfranco= mbe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com=
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vi= meo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.= no
--90e6ba6e81aa97c071049746a3e3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 08:45:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 577141834CF; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 08:45:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hcgOR1kCgrCSt8uTYMdFEYiyWzZcqV+0tJo74Pn/slY=; b=q80Sy7ZHnqumxbSaEjLgguaosR0Q3NTJqcZDXU4cig7KvitK+1hKX8MGmJmpEA9dqt 9A/ZGwiBmLoZ9MZtXmPOpV6jDbrJPvuACbPLfj4FauztW7kVnWB55pV5qVIBWaXNQIE9 b4zalJ30LIqB+DVc35Xy2WYOa2ct8+XB4e4RM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mv5IFh4tQU7JnLs4vJVxJqc3/bmjUO1niIeWud2AsJAV4a8FziRSs3PH3FZ28Jzvyq cg14iSCMgxn9Oa6o5a5BwL/5bVx0WVeEul0z0Sj5jTgvHBgEfUtYS0+/GRMfsvfjc+vH wc0OEh6UZLCDMCwckL2Juxr8O3GkH6xRDOhxI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <251EA06E2C4548E5A4F3C7F7076F9101@NORBY11> <6661045207839158702@unknownmsgid> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:45:31 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kanye West and King Crimson From: halim zainal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd688061ce4049746ba3f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 08:45:32 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cd688061ce4049746ba3f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I love both kanye and king crimson. Both have their own place. Geniuses. --0015175cd688061ce4049746ba3f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I love both kanye and king crimson. Both have their own place. Geniuses.
--0015175cd688061ce4049746ba3f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 08:46:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 746F31834D4; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 08:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2f2b8b60-dbc7-4d8e-8064-94d5e51f9da5_" X-Originating-IP: [86.143.215.214] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 08:45:01 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2010 08:45:02.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[0830DAB0:01CB9AA2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 08:46:01 +0000 (UTC) --_2f2b8b60-dbc7-4d8e-8064-94d5e51f9da5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm using a Focusrite Saffire pro 40 and even though the sound quality is e= xcellent=2C their drivers are unstable. I've been using ASIO4all which is b= etter but occasionally the soundcard gets lost - not what you need live rea= lly. I've invested in the stringport hardware only=2C having been assured i= t would work as a generic win7 soundcard - no it doesn't!=20 Now I have to wait untill they release a windows driver - cor blimey - re= member the days when you bought stuff and it just worked? BTW used to have a motu and it was very noisy. Edirol stuff is rock solid i= n my experience and sounds pretty good to me.=20 peace G Date: Mon=2C 13 Dec 2010 09:35:29 +0100 Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: docittern@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I used to use an Edirol UA-700. It was fine but I was never that wild abou= t the sound so never did any serious recording with it. Now I'm using a Saf= fire Pro-24. I like the sound - I play acoustic with a couple of Josephson= C42s=2C and I recently recorded my 4-piece acoustic group with 4 mics. It = also works stand-alone and it performs well as a small mixer.=20 However=2C I've been having connectivity problems. Some days it just will = not show up and can take a long time before it does. I've been correspondi= ng with one of their techies and he thinks that either the 400-800 cable is= n't any good and I should use an adapter on an 800 cable instead=2C or that= I should go direct into the MacBook rather than through my external drive.= I've tried all of that and more and still have problems. The irritating t= hing is that some days it works fine=2C other days it's just moody as hell.= Personally=2C I think it's a software issue. I appreciate the flexibility of being able to program the interface=2C but = I think I would prefer straight hardware with on/off switches. I guess tho= se days are gone... Anyway=2C not exactly a recommendation=2C but the pre-amps are good. On Mon=2C Dec 13=2C 2010 at 8:30 AM=2C William Walker wrote: Hey Ted I'm curious are you running directly in to the MOTU and using amp s= ims and effects plug ins? or are you going stereo direct and using hardware= effects and or amp simulators? Before I would even recommend interfaces I'm curious why it sounds so lame = to you and wonder if you would elaborate in more specific detail. Are yo= u clipping your inputs=2C do you have anything acting as a buffer between y= our guitar and the interface=2C are using any compression to smooth your t= ransients? does it sound harsh and or sterile? Even a higher end interface= with better converters like the Apogee stuff can sound brittle if you are = hitting it too hard. I've used a MOTU 2408 for several years now and its wo= rked fine. I've never been bothered by its sound or latency. Bill = --_2f2b8b60-dbc7-4d8e-8064-94d5e51f9da5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm using a Focusrite Saffire pro 40 and even though the sound quality is e= xcellent=2C their drivers are unstable. I've been using ASIO4all which is b= etter but occasionally the soundcard gets lost - not what you need live rea= lly. I've invested in the stringport hardware only=2C having been assured i= t would work as a generic win7 soundcard - no it doesn't!
Now I have to= wait untill they release a windows driver =3B - cor blimey - =3B r= emember the days when you bought stuff and it just worked?
BTW used to h= ave a motu and it was very noisy. Edirol stuff is rock solid in my experien= ce and sounds pretty good to me.

peace

G

Date: Mon=2C 13 Dec 2010 09:35:29 +0100
Subject: Re: WHAT SO= RTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS?
From: docittern@g= mail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I used to use an= Edirol UA-700.  =3BIt was fine but I was never that wild about the sou= nd so never did any serious recording with it. Now I'm using a Saffire Pro-= 24.  =3BI like the sound - I play acoustic with a couple of Josephson C= 42s=2C and I recently recorded my 4-piece acoustic group with 4 mics. It al= so works stand-alone and it performs well as a small mixer. =3B

However=2C I've been having connectivity problems.  =3BS= ome days it just will not show up and can take a long time before it does. =  =3BI've been corresponding with one of their techies and he thinks tha= t either the 400-800 cable isn't any good and I should use an adapter on an= 800 cable instead=2C or that I should go direct into the MacBook rather th= an through my external drive. I've tried all of that and more and still hav= e problems.  =3BThe irritating thing is that some days it works fine=2C= other days it's just moody as hell.  =3BPersonally=2C I think it's a s= oftware issue.

I appreciate the flexibility of being able to program the in= terface=2C but I think I would prefer straight hardware with on/off switche= s.  =3BI guess those days are gone...

Anyway= =2C not exactly a recommendation=2C but the pre-amps are good.

On Mon=2C Dec 13=2C 2010 at 8:30 AM= =2C William Walker <=3Bbillwalker@baymoon.com>=3B wrote:
Hey Ted I'm curious are you running directly in to the MOTU and using amp s= ims and effects plug ins? or are you going stereo direct and using hardware= effects and or amp simulators?
Before I would even recommend interfaces I'm curious why it sounds so lame = to you and wonder if you would elaborate  =3Bin more specific detail. &= nbsp=3B Are you clipping your inputs=2C do you have anything acting as a bu= ffer between your guitar and the interface=2C are  =3Busing any compres= sion to smooth your transients?  =3Bdoes it sound harsh and or sterile?= Even a higher end interface with better converters like the Apogee stuff c= an sound brittle if you are hitting it too hard. I've used a MOTU 2408 for = several years now and its worked fine.  =3BI've never been bothered by = its sound or latency.
 =3BBill


= --_2f2b8b60-dbc7-4d8e-8064-94d5e51f9da5_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 08:50:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCC811834D9; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 08:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=XkBsYilYLKvnG3MvSlEqLwY+9AhE9uoTt4KtcvMcCNE=; b=H9NbNWY2T+KZlIu9iK2jDEgQJvZqemcmWV785z5dxvbAl1it8O/r4mVMtzQnepe/ud 9IDaeldMd29/kSbjhQSWClRqMb6+lIPzKt1XfT/JNoL9qMKmDlVq0qo9t8y0ldV8MLV2 SaxoYiPyJeY+zNMohXi4UxQXD5btZdRl1YeoU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=PFM+OrhfY8zU7u1suWf3PG9QFQVnSlx4SCn9jr2UGlF6Q13bZnA4tsERhGSGfg5fkd 780POD+BBQMMwBn7cmFT3JemBPkQmSXVjBBqePLyolbbM5w0dwzIOOqKfQlDoP8gbron f3H2Md6LMAehNnr+GZJRgvj5VgyU2N6VzlAss= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:50:18 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CRmxyMOpvtk88ywLKDe-uIpVdHg Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8ef0507a63049746cc67 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 08:50:39 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8ef0507a63049746cc67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interested by this thread as I am (Im only using a MAudio Ozone keyboard as a soundcard, convenient cos it has a little keyboard and some knobs, but inconvenient cos it has no regular midi in + er... preamps.. has it them.. = I dont think so... not on the stereo input.. or must it.. when you say Preamp= , do you mean.. something nice designed for guitar?) ... no what Im really interested in is the fact that... On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:17 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wr= ote: > Ooofda! > > Ooofda? Are you aware that this is a completely normal and yet slightly strange Norwegian expression? --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8ef0507a63049746cc67 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interested by this thread as I am (Im only using a MAudio Ozone keyboard as= a soundcard, convenient cos it has a little keyboard and some knobs, but i= nconvenient cos it has no regular midi in + er... preamps.. has it them.. I= dont think so... not on the stereo input.. or must it.. when you say Pream= p, do you mean.. something nice designed for guitar?)

... no what Im really interested in is the fact that...

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:17 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter= .net> wrote:
Ooofda!


Ooofda?

Are you aware that this i= s a completely normal and yet slightly strange Norwegian expression?
--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.o= rdoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e8ef0507a63049746cc67-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 10:05:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 541DA1834D3; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=90gA5phQgL1q8ahh0sAO4HPq/bDyWSD27lhLoJb8WSU=; b=aOKT4eRShR1sjF7hWED1BOiRjF3q3ftkC26X/UIsMwJykT/y09sU0hFlcJELub+2Wz jBhY0/Kte+FCJ7JCd1jZ2yGTrGpmjhyIQ2mAG0T3uMAhn9x6qVymT/bSxhwPLlexhRRA N0Cr5iSqmiSvAaEih9lgRX3nm2dNrmyxlMybg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=WjdWIzxV8AFklMtc8fMq5pc263SyIEHMbk33gUfqgZSXBLvKE6KSmUKAda0nU2KGlw muCQ6LaQhtSma1tO4358eQmwkTLqRSxoffLbSg14lTnVTVcwCros2zwhiySOmzC4IeVQ BNKkfSubqkMC2LNH3zszzguhyvoCMmtOLcUhk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:04:59 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd486b23bbc9d049747d63e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:05:00 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd486b23bbc9d049747d63e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yeah, no airport express needed! http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.5/en/8339.html just set up an ad hoc network sim On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:38 AM, mark francombe wrote: > wrote: > > Sim also said: > > >You should be able to set up a network without a router, I think...? > > So how do I set up a network just between my computer and my phone? > > >> > One thing to think about howver... this is working on Wifi right? How >> can >> > you be sure to HAVE a wifi connection at your gig? >> >> I've been thinking about that too and decided to solve it by bringing >> my Airport Express. >> >> > YIKES NOOoooo.. Im trying to SIMPLIFY my system, not complicated it.. > Per... you know what? > You could get your computer, and fadefox and iphone and ipad and put it all > in a 19" rack unit...? > > um.. er.. wait... a minute.. > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > --000e0cd486b23bbc9d049747d63e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah, no airport express needed!

http://docs.info.apple.com/ar= ticle.html?path=3DMac/10.5/en/8339.html

just set up an ad hoc ne= twork

sim

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:38 AM, = mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
=A0<mark@mar= kfrancombe.com> wrote:

Sim also said:

>You should be able to set up a networ= k without a router, I think...?

So how do I set up a network just between my computer and my phon= e?


> One thing to think about howver... this is working on Wifi right? How = can
> you be sure to HAVE a wifi connection at your gig?

I've been thinking about that too and decided to solve it by brin= ging
my Airport Express.


YIKES NOOo= ooo.. Im trying to SIMPLIFY my system, not complicated it.. Per...=A0 you k= now what?
You could get your computer, and fadefox and iphone and ipad = and put it all in a 19" rack unit...?

um.. er.. wait... a minute..


-- mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

--000e0cd486b23bbc9d049747d63e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 11:02:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB0A91834D1; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 548108153/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.113/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.113 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkcCAJ+LBU1V0rZx/2dsb2JhbAAHlU/QJoVKBI4B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,335,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="548108153" Message-ID: <4D05FD46.3000001@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:02:30 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> <218727.4483.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:02:25 +0000 (UTC) If I was going to recommend an interface, it'd have to be a Focusrite, but with 2 caveats 1) Better quality converters can have higher latency, so for live work 'better' is not always...er...better. 2) What Bill says is about signal path is more important. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 11:45:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEFF91834CB; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7kfMGucVquaW9owvXmzte/oO1/WnVpWCWVdaJSW9N+4=; b=ad4/vjHB3N2kB47DF0VUu8Hk3aFBgPEP9f0fx34a/ZpELOkeFbclB2q8AYCsW9Ck7d xXF/MjLal+W0r/7QayZsWmg51QXibom6cT0+YjQqQdsvm3PKwfOfrpqR32gwPEfRk7wZ Ww6RhIgvvqKOOLvwsp8aKvThNEv6pR4G1CtYs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eFiqMO0lRMfdvkUpLJq3t5iAyw2i/q9X+9HEUFmXYWU48/cN0LjRACmYuczTLGZVR4 T0wVLJjQLRahS1lbgeGqWnhoZ2QLkqSU8FFmXEJIMyKT/zkgtbzq+3FdApyfnAwIcPbb Bg0S9O5eOWEc64mhijfH692/+2Z+APscik/zw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:45:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:45:49 +0000 (UTC) LOL, the interfaces below are the ones I just intended to suggest. You actually asked for "what sounds really good" ;-)) The hard truth is that you get what you pay for. I sold some stuff to get a Firefac400, for the sake of the sound. So I'm not saying the FF400 is good because I own one, I actually picked it to get that sound. It gives the same good feeling as "plugging into a better sounding amp" compared to most other interfaces (except for the ones mentioned below I guess). The difference is obvious with mic input as well as electromagnetic instruments like Stick and guitar. If amplified through less good speakers the difference might not be as flagrant though. The crappiest part of the signal flow chain is setting the main output fidelity. This may bias a list discussion like this because you don't know what monitoring people are basing their opinions on when posting recommendations for an audio interface ;-) Per On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:17 AM, tEd =C2=AE KiLLiAn wrote: > Ooofda! > > At a price like that, no wonder the Metric Halo hadn't appeared on my rad= ar. > > (Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 =3D $1,895) > > Even the RME 400 is a bit pricier than my humble wallet can afford. > > (RME Fireface 400 =3D RME Fireface 400) > > Like Kevin said, I have heard some really good things about the Apogee Du= et, > though it's mere 2 in and 2 out is pretty limiting. > > (Apogee Duet =3D $499.95) > > I just don't know anyone "in the field" using one. > > I appreciate all input though. > > I am considering anything I can afford...let's say under $800 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 12:09:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A54391834CD; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Rv1bRLtVHFeg0j3m376+bbAKCiOkT3Lcm3LktWFWhRM=; b=N/M/K7L9h88hPYUcd3kAIn3w43+0FCzj5NtplO2ibUWbE5VOr3qgjAwbv0B/Ylb/AH kvoV1sxcpVwEO5Bu1AtsXk4ceC93mFS2frtMzXfCR+BMgSBJjyrQok1P9jZ6JfLA0NT7 jhUyxBqYyqvjk+O48jmdjdIuFaTi4LC3MEg2o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=A6X/CA/JbiId7mZpqDJd0R/X/pY5UKbZnOyDdAxVPksCqI+Fbz/vilZXjUYIJqqFLx L4FkgckGYIoPBmBFWl8qqDWhpPXunex82/fdRC3eXyVbvfLvHQWZLxnU9owN+fNjPt13 Tzlv7GBUwfXAyD+klusTKxjyDQIEiUSNQfPwE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:09:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:09:40 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > yeah, no airport express needed! > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.5/en/8339.html > just set up an ad hoc network Erm.... that example actually IS for use with an airport ;-)) It's a box of a cigarette package size that connects to internet in one end and radiates a wireless local network in the other end. I still don't know of a better way to make sure your network will work (keeping the same old IP address) right away when setting up on stage. Please chime in if I'm wrong here. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 12:18:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADE7C1834CA; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oQLZ94+OArk5NzwG/0ZquduFTZnc/O1/eRSJrZmKhtw=; b=T1OkmS0Izd4RR7Dw7NOmaHje9pknWLHWNpYjy/nr4be/5CSFqDZwQWQUvs4C0Nb/VA N7JLno+SDgH+yzzWxHe/BDxKX6EDII/zeI/+pjqAOSdsYCKydoPASpe9HpFHDuX40jIk q8pP7JMhqjOLL7Q72mJU8KPqjkeVkRM8NJJuo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=G1XCN/2IILcIWC6H/ci697zXnrYZcygHwSHzmzW3xuV8S3u/W9zvkVBTjHzyLVVU59 3Li/20xF/JTy+6gVjK4Fh7FxkcXE9pSdv9xSXca8eXu16enm4amWqHnE7YuxPLK8kvB3 Cp9LQPpFQ3IpVySj4gpgNhuEy2M2IdknGKDYo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:18:47 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3f89ab93a00049749b48c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:18:49 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd3f89ab93a00049749b48c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable now i'm confused. it says - You can create a wireless network between two o= r more AirPort-enabled computers *without using an AirPort Base Station*. Using what is known as a =93computer-to-computer=94 network, you can share = files or play your favorite multiplayer network game over the airwaves. i'll turn off my router test this later... sim On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Simeon Harris > wrote: > > yeah, no airport express needed! > > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=3DMac/10.5/en/8339.html > > just set up an ad hoc network > > Erm.... that example actually IS for use with an airport ;-)) It's a > box of a cigarette package size that connects to internet in one end > and radiates a wireless local network in the other end. I still don't > know of a better way to make sure your network will work (keeping the > same old IP address) right away when setting up on stage. Please chime > in if I'm wrong here. > > Per > > --000e0cd3f89ab93a00049749b48c Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable now i'm confused. it says - You can create a wireless network between t= wo or more AirPort-enabled=20 computers without using an AirPort Base Station. Using what is known= as a =93computer-to-computer=94 network, you can share files or play your=20 favorite multiplayer network game over the airwaves.

i'll turn o= ff my router test this later...

sim

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Simeon Harris
<simeonharris40@googlem= ail.com> wrote:
> yeah, no airport express needed!
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path= =3DMac/10.5/en/8339.html
> just set up an ad hoc network

Erm.... that example actually IS for use with an airport ;-)) =A0It&#= 39;s a
box of a cigarette package size that connects to internet in one end
and radiates a wireless local network in the other end. I still don't know of a better way to make sure your network will work (keeping the
same old IP address) right away when setting up on stage. Please chime
in if I'm wrong here.

Per


--000e0cd3f89ab93a00049749b48c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 12:31:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B86971834BE; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZhIe1cqBPVXqX58rVdLyxiBMjBfZD8Mg2FNFDt2KD1Y=; b=JvxNHTLxcpgdYQNcDM9FSf89NS59LV/Ts5twGGD6zXKU5xpk1cgZ4dZ8obTpV00LTg e5F0ydeKcoydUwHOaQefl8ZycPYhAsauGJAWT9TkhgsAsxsEkMQ6rNpzjsF7lGL/93Up 8Psn2Fk0JURnTPQvF3yI51nan745nWSaOtpk4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ut7SXH6zEozShH3e4Xi5XzENAmoqVUr+gIXLjyJSXTLPTvNNnUhkJiggeuBVucvfGx B+IccW7c8Fz6aY1qvIQceyVwv7wtn4PQ6zJbSOo5diNxdQt9VHcL/n5nhIFlciyTDZxM Es2cpKJCruioKFR7NCYtUUgw49hmG3Uuz6lFU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:31:12 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:31:13 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > now i'm confused. it says - You can create a wireless network between two= or > more AirPort-enabled computers without using an AirPort Base Station. Usi= ng > what is known as a =E2=80=9Ccomputer-to-computer=E2=80=9D network, you ca= n share files or > play your favorite multiplayer network game over the airwaves. You're right, Sim. My bad: I didn't see the word "without" at the top. I was reading directly on the how-to list that begins with: "Choose Create Network from the AirPort status icon in the menu bar." So I got it wrong and thought it required the bass. As I understand it this example is a network with no further internet connection, just two computers fishing by their built-in airport receivers? If an iPhone on Wi-fi can tap into such a computer-to-computer network it would probably keep a stable IP address. Interesting. Would bring down the schlepping a bit. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 12:34:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BD1D1834CD; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=xFZpW66G5kCd/q41hsR4smROCFhR1K8GlpFQA6Ma7Rg=; b=wKiq38KZ5Z6qheayRHFo1HM1yKO1J2ThaT1YUY59D2XYpkB4CSKaz4Hgi/MsIPiAMY BGWLZ/nraC3b8yXmPzMkSNze86UVYL4TaiyT58CvNhLziQrMM4f18klcVA20h6/cc9oT HdC3VEBI7ZaM3N/FAs5T67QORmL86sbtlSCPo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=wcnc/8wCaCOJdab2V5c962rmzpmvGs0Uda80wcjS2Qp6g0DqVfZWCXvFesNVmgCVT+ IOuBDDajKWlZREcuZWqeBVjWjQGbybe8VuzsxuDMq7cj/0mJk7eu0V/wsQBOxWo9fHNv KIAUuPPDSnPInclaU3gLH1hmkiDarTwVHQhNU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:34:16 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: MIFO-zKCHtj5ke20BqPPGJGuOk0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8f3a500257049749ed19 Resent-Message-ID: <6CQ9ED.A.NpF.dLhBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:34:37 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8f3a500257049749ed19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Erm Erm.. actually Per, I must say that I just tried it, disconnected the computer from the cable, unplugged the Airport.. and made that network. You get a new type of network icon on the top, and then search on the iphone for it.. found it easy.. and then touchOSC worked a charm with OSCulator.. so it worked!! Got an error when I tried to send this mail tho.. had to go and plug it all in again.. DOH! Mark On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Simeon Harris > wrote: > > yeah, no airport express needed! > > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.5/en/8339.html > > just set up an ad hoc network > > Erm.... that example actually IS for use with an airport ;-)) It's a > box of a cigarette package size that connects to internet in one end > and radiates a wireless local network in the other end. I still don't > know of a better way to make sure your network will work (keeping the > same old IP address) right away when setting up on stage. Please chime > in if I'm wrong here. > > Per > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8f3a500257049749ed19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Erm Erm.. actually Per, I must say that I just tried it, disconnected the c= omputer from the cable, unplugged the Airport.. and made that network. You = get a new type of network icon on the top, and then search on the iphone fo= r it.. found it easy.. and then touchOSC worked a charm with OSCulator..
so it worked!!

Got an error when I tried to send this mail tho..= had to go and plug it all in again.. DOH!

Mark

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Simeon Harris
<simeonharris40@googlem= ail.com> wrote:
> yeah, no airport express needed!
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path= =3DMac/10.5/en/8339.html
> just set up an ad hoc network

Erm.... that example actually IS for use with an airport ;-)) =A0It&#= 39;s a
box of a cigarette package size that connects to internet in one end
and radiates a wireless local network in the other end. I still don't know of a better way to make sure your network will work (keeping the
same old IP address) right away when setting up on stage. Please chime
in if I'm wrong here.

Per




--
mark francombewww.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markf= rancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e8f3a500257049749ed19-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 12:40:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C8F61834D0; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=O8IyoqqiMCmeZlDbQcFefTyhQqOm46Tvt+DvVILfKnw=; b=fTlmfF3Y1kBWQ8nnJO907gOPx9LqFW827+ysNOZaJgaxWyLVx5t7zjC4zykmx5vnPH JHOl/NCK5wrZl0H/WHwAXy0OguBJSLvWGFRQffWfCrxEhbMAMmY5Vd8oljFdnePHz0NZ eIrzWCVZsfOf48eH0NDsu892KdPU6MmaB5rKs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=RsyvMr/Xdxdr1woi5to+kJ9ktNiOgOZCTowyohAsvX/FUKDgg/2iGIUAEj3nr25pD2 eZRVEHAoMnKPdEDnpKuslalWYzF90+c0hQelpjV0BvvgA52or+eSyxOUmWL+iHYcSXm8 nWVUwBnCXKgtTXQtJBMkRA19prKxThithyeBI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:40:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <5sUL6C.A.2HG.NRhBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:40:45 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:34 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Erm Erm.. actually Per, I must say that I just tried it, disconnected the > computer from the cable, unplugged the Airport.. and made that network. You > get a new type of network icon on the top, and then search on the iphone for > it.. found it easy.. and then touchOSC worked a charm with OSCulator.. > > so it worked!! Wow, super cool! > Got an error when I tried to send this mail tho.. had to go and plug it all > in again.. DOH! That makes sense. On the Numerology forum Jim (developer) just said that "no other applications are allowed to be active". I was wondering if he meant on the phone or on the computer. But after you posted this I see clearly that Jim meant on the computer (maybe he should have used the word "app" of talking about the phone's applications?). And this explains my constant failure in this, cause I have Firefox and Skype going all the time. Seems we have to de-socialize ourselves and become solitary cavemen in order to have fun with OSC. ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 12:45:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CB531834CD; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=vj+aH548ajEYnnBckpdHMfZjjV+f+R/0eLlypuBUP30=; b=By8eG3Nn5MJ8qpUyCBWW9GkVLbmj/NJF+JvUA6xHchH4wEWtSulWVRwCQsHAmq/AfT aSiKSKJKSFxsllQlEvQteMTFyPCpQ4TssP9xnZpbUi64yulrJL7iL6O5MsmhZJXXUY8F iawsHWCfS3Xtv1zhKuZbPQzivAiWs8+EstpYk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=icgdG+dJDipH/35rf/tbwcvdumG3CMkxclRlau7FO2YBtgzkSL4JoabMJs1q97Gwms k3i5l8hBD1ynNNDHcXSRV0TzGR35+uM85ve3H2CtYbYK2tDRB95wy8KFEtPnpUVpMRWX eXZ8s9m07Eq8Jb+amWVEf74hte6W6Ap43TQTE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:44:43 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -MJKahttwMcRLaCN6Gr017wvCeI Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e81aaa6abb004974a12cb Resent-Message-ID: <8fGeT.A.MZG.QVhBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:45:05 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e81aaa6abb004974a12cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No thats NOT what I meant Per... Wondering if you are right tho.. gonna try... My second point was just a joke, cos I had unplugged the internet to test this network or OF COURSE.. I couldnt send a mail... at least it looks like it is a usable option for a controller! Im almost considering an iPad now!! Well.. OK maybe not, I might be tempted to use it in public, then people would point at me.. mark On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:34 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Erm Erm.. actually Per, I must say that I just tried it, disconnected the > > computer from the cable, unplugged the Airport.. and made that network. > You > > get a new type of network icon on the top, and then search on the iphone > for > > it.. found it easy.. and then touchOSC worked a charm with OSCulator.. > > > > so it worked!! > > Wow, super cool! > > > > Got an error when I tried to send this mail tho.. had to go and plug it > all > > in again.. DOH! > > That makes sense. On the Numerology forum Jim (developer) just said > that "no other applications are allowed to be active". I was wondering > if he meant on the phone or on the computer. But after you posted this > I see clearly that Jim meant on the computer (maybe he should have > used the word "app" of talking about the phone's applications?). > > And this explains my constant failure in this, cause I have Firefox > and Skype going all the time. Seems we have to de-socialize ourselves > and become solitary cavemen in order to have fun with OSC. ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e81aaa6abb004974a12cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No thats NOT what I meant Per...

Wondering if you are right tho.. g= onna try... My second point was just a joke, cos I had unplugged the intern= et to test this network or OF COURSE.. I couldnt send a mail...

at l= east it looks like it is a usable option for a controller! Im almost consid= ering an iPad now!! Well.. OK maybe not, I might be tempted to use it in pu= blic, then people would point at me..


mark


On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at = 1:40 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:34 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:<= br> > Erm Erm.. actually Per, I must say that I just tried it, disconnected = the
> computer from the cable, unplugged the Airport.. and made that network= . You
> get a new type of network icon on the top, and then search on the ipho= ne for
> it.. found it easy.. and then touchOSC worked a charm with OSCulator..=
>
> so it worked!!

Wow, super cool!


> Got an error when I tried to send this mail tho.. had to go and plug i= t all
> in again.. DOH!

That makes sense. On the Numerology forum Jim (developer) just said that "no other applications are allowed to be active". I was wond= ering
if he meant on the phone or on the computer. But after you posted this
I see clearly that Jim meant on the computer (maybe he should have
used the word "app" of talking about the phone's applications= ?).

And this explains my constant failure in this, cause I have Firefox
and Skype going all the time. Seems we have to de-socialize ourselves
and become solitary cavemen in order to have fun with OSC. ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub




--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e81aaa6abb004974a12cb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 12:48:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D5351834D0; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JIHqgIntWBl8QBiMUuTGoSnNdB+rIp+RE2h1tAIZ2HU=; b=W261UPfGJYSZn9HFeW6mLEv1n1eU+X+gyqbYsBM9g1FUI5tG69eNHrp7u0QZW80Ht2 +8Maisgh0cz881P5YKAuPgw3pnqXLKU+0q3q/uT6LaLe10FIZE7i1QSIblF8pPOURo1k x97zgvFTUvz6Q2zsdwgIpdNJoVJUFecAP1fCA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=i8abmLQH/qsc7Ub9aLQmpWuGJOiW+3aP8R5gF1nv5LJd6gLL93h21jP5euB+u6G9hy nibOEjtjGhDTliHqH3IZB1rYkiOr5PiqPkTjOTVNYRYq18fE6sWIPD8LBklEpkNSJP34 fdOhAwJ/sjoDVz3l+jxUro0TkPY0zrKCkxMJc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:48:55 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd486b280c22d04974a2008 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:48:56 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd486b280c22d04974a2008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, so i truned off my router and followed the instructions given (didn't bother with a password) and i was able to connect my ipod to my computer with no problem. i just went to my wifi settings on my ipod and selected my computer from the list of available networks (the others were my neighbour'= s wifi). no base station needed. sim On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > now i'm confused. it says - You can create a wireless network between two > or more AirPort-enabled computers *without using an AirPort Base Station*= . > Using what is known as a =93computer-to-computer=94 network, you can shar= e files > or play your favorite multiplayer network game over the airwaves. > > i'll turn off my router test this later... > > sim > > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Simeon Harris >> wrote: >> > yeah, no airport express needed! >> > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=3DMac/10.5/en/8339.html >> > just set up an ad hoc network >> >> Erm.... that example actually IS for use with an airport ;-)) It's a >> box of a cigarette package size that connects to internet in one end >> and radiates a wireless local network in the other end. I still don't >> know of a better way to make sure your network will work (keeping the >> same old IP address) right away when setting up on stage. Please chime >> in if I'm wrong here. >> >> Per >> >> > --000e0cd486b280c22d04974a2008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, so i truned off my router and followed the instructions given (didn'= ;t bother with a password) and i was able to connect my ipod to my computer= with no problem. i just went to my wifi settings on my ipod and selected m= y computer from the list of available networks (the others were my neighbou= r's wifi). no base station needed.

sim

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:18 PM,= Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
now i'm confused. it says - You can create a wireless network between t= wo or more AirPort-enabled=20 computers without using an AirPort Base Station. Using what is known= as a =93computer-to-computer=94 network, you can share files or play your=20 favorite multiplayer network game over the airwaves.

i'll turn o= ff my router test this later...

sim


On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Per B= oysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec = 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Simeon Harris
<sime= onharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
> yeah, no airport express needed!
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path= =3DMac/10.5/en/8339.html
> just set up an ad hoc network

Erm.... that example actually IS for use with an airport ;-)) =A0It&#= 39;s a
box of a cigarette package size that connects to internet in one end
and radiates a wireless local network in the other end. I still don't know of a better way to make sure your network will work (keeping the
same old IP address) right away when setting up on stage. Please chime
in if I'm wrong here.

Per



--000e0cd486b280c22d04974a2008-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 12:50:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 535781834D3; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_52858d89-9ef0-4339-8327-8ea0dfc62999_" X-Originating-IP: [151.21.161.75] From: andrea trabucco To: Subject: RE: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:50:32 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net>,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2010 12:50:33.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[54B7A4A0:01CB9AC4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:50:35 +0000 (UTC) --_52858d89-9ef0-4339-8327-8ea0dfc62999_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! I'd like to take advantage of this topic to get an advice on which audio in= terface to buy: I plan to do a on the road record on my next travel to Brazil I want that to have a natural sounding vibe but also quality to it because = I later want to release that on DVD... I'm going to play guitar and percussions live together with local musicians= in their own environment... so I plan to travel with a macbook pro (by that way I'm undecided to buy on= e used on late 2007 or another used 2009 or a new one - is that necessary t= o have the last one or is ok the olders? I'm new into mac:)) and an audio interface with good and natural sounding mic preamps=2C vario= us analogic mic inputs and a stadalone possibilty for gigs aside from the t= ravel) for what I've understood I think I'll use logic pro and maybe for the live = playing with mac ableton or audiodesk or something else... so my main concern is sound quality=2C easy operation and reliabilty with d= rives and so on... for what I've read I'm thinking about: motu traveler presonus firestudio or fireproject tc electronic d24 konnect or impacr twin or any other will fit my needs the toal budget MAc + Audio interface it's around 1200/1500 euros and then I'll have to buy mics! and before that save a lot of money I guess= :) Thanks to all!! Andrea > Date: Mon=2C 13 Dec 2010 12:45:48 +0100 > Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS= ? > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > LOL=2C the interfaces below are the ones I just intended to suggest. You > actually asked for "what sounds really good" =3B-)) The hard truth is > that you get what you pay for. I sold some stuff to get a Firefac400=2C > for the sake of the sound. So I'm not saying the FF400 is good because > I own one=2C I actually picked it to get that sound. It gives the same > good feeling as "plugging into a better sounding amp" compared to most > other interfaces (except for the ones mentioned below I guess). The > difference is obvious with mic input as well as electromagnetic > instruments like Stick and guitar. >=20 > If amplified through less good speakers the difference might not be as > flagrant though. The crappiest part of the signal flow chain is > setting the main output fidelity. This may bias a list discussion like > this because you don't know what monitoring people are basing their > opinions on when posting recommendations for an audio interface =3B-) >=20 > Per >=20 >=20 > On Mon=2C Dec 13=2C 2010 at 4:17 AM=2C tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > > Ooofda! > > > > At a price like that=2C no wonder the Metric Halo hadn't appeared on my= radar. > > > > (Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 =3D $1=2C895) > > > > Even the RME 400 is a bit pricier than my humble wallet can afford. > > > > (RME Fireface 400 =3D RME Fireface 400) > > > > Like Kevin said=2C I have heard some really good things about the Apoge= e Duet=2C > > though it's mere 2 in and 2 out is pretty limiting. > > > > (Apogee Duet =3D $499.95) > > > > I just don't know anyone "in the field" using one. > > > > I appreciate all input though. > > > > I am considering anything I can afford...let's say under $800 >=20 = --_52858d89-9ef0-4339-8327-8ea0dfc62999_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all!

I'd like to take advantage of this topic to get an advice on= which audio interface to buy:

I plan to do a on the road record on = my next travel to Brazil
I want that to have a natural sounding vibe but= also quality to it because I later want to release that on DVD...
I'm g= oing to play guitar and percussions live together with local musicians in t= heir own environment...

so I plan to travel with a macbook pro (by t= hat way I'm undecided to buy one used on late 2007 or another used 2009 or = a new one - is that necessary to have the last one or is ok the olders? I'm= new into mac:))

 =3Band an audio interface with good and natura= l sounding mic preamps=2C various analogic mic inputs and a stadalone possi= bilty for gigs aside from the travel)

for what I've understood I thi= nk I'll use logic pro and maybe for the live playing with mac ableton or au= diodesk or something else...
so my main concern is sound quality=2C easy= operation and reliabilty with drives and so on...

for what I've rea= d I'm thinking about:
motu traveler
presonus firestudio or fireprojec= t
tc electronic d24 konnect or impacr twin
or any other will fit my n= eeds

the toal budget MAc + Audio interface it's around 1200/1500 eur= os

and then I'll have to buy mics! and before that save a lot of mon= ey I guess:)

Thanks to all!!

Andrea
>=3B Date: Mon=2C 13= Dec 2010 12:45:48 +0100
>=3B Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTE= FACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS?
>=3B From: perboysen@gmail.com
&= gt=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B LOL=2C t= he interfaces below are the ones I just intended to suggest. You
>=3B = actually asked for "what sounds really good" =3B-)) The hard truth is
&= gt=3B that you get what you pay for. I sold some stuff to get a Firefac400= =2C
>=3B for the sake of the sound. So I'm not saying the FF400 is goo= d because
>=3B I own one=2C I actually picked it to get that sound. It= gives the same
>=3B good feeling as "plugging into a better sounding = amp" compared to most
>=3B other interfaces (except for the ones menti= oned below I guess). The
>=3B difference is obvious with mic input as = well as electromagnetic
>=3B instruments like Stick and guitar.
>= =3B
>=3B If amplified through less good speakers the difference might= not be as
>=3B flagrant though. The crappiest part of the signal flow= chain is
>=3B setting the main output fidelity. This may bias a list = discussion like
>=3B this because you don't know what monitoring peopl= e are basing their
>=3B opinions on when posting recommendations for a= n audio interface =3B-)
>=3B
>=3B Per
>=3B
>=3B
&= gt=3B On Mon=2C Dec 13=2C 2010 at 4:17 AM=2C tEd =AE KiLLiAn <=3Btedkilli= an@charter.net>=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B Ooofda!
>=3B >=3B
&g= t=3B >=3B At a price like that=2C no wonder the Metric Halo hadn't appear= ed on my radar.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B (Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2= 882 =3D $1=2C895)
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Even the RME 400 is a b= it pricier than my humble wallet can afford.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >= =3B (RME Fireface 400 =3D RME Fireface 400)
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >= =3B Like Kevin said=2C I have heard some really good things about the Apoge= e Duet=2C
>=3B >=3B though it's mere 2 in and 2 out is pretty limiti= ng.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B (Apogee Duet =3D $499.95)
>=3B &= gt=3B
>=3B >=3B I just don't know anyone "in the field" using one.>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B I appreciate all input though.
>=3B &= gt=3B
>=3B >=3B I am considering anything I can afford...let's say u= nder $800
>=3B
= --_52858d89-9ef0-4339-8327-8ea0dfc62999_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 12:53:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F2521834F1; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZuOrj2t0zGYpYj2kMXZjOqMEg+aqqAgGktn8FNx+z4s=; b=AeBxlh00yr0KCzOnigl4QJKhgN+k9F4SCtMRrvkQu0jwQeXlRfo9x75PXguC8CaPKk xZSjRPtNk5sYRzjGb1ZmmFGUYiNUL/Vjxeg7KpAG1x0tLz263VfOTc71aqvC0G+5gH38 dyrAPL6NZiWZkkHh3G7qqfLRC29EWghRwzatI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uF7YT4xlZc0PIEPX9tovsVuQnTuJ0FlaDLVK3oOhuYOT6R16BM7GtIwGFu78AOh2bL 3ezjxW4k5fjOlRNwLaoDody6/OXkTF7AVMqwBrILdiwLTxZzzWbu2Zdu3UMtHPDlouMF aQnrBhb+85QwmTbnimBRXnazNUXzM45sSgcO4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:53:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:53:28 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > ok, so i truned off my router and followed the instructions given (didn't > bother with a password) and i was able to connect my ipod to my computer > with no problem. i just went to my wifi settings on my ipod and selected my > computer from the list of available networks (the others were my neighbour's > wifi). no base station needed. Nice. Then you only need to create a network that does not connect to the internet - cause then it might hook up with a provider that feeds a new IP address - in order to keep forever the same IP address as the TouchOSC has memorized? Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 12:59:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8712A1834F2; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+phQeRSJM5WGKl/9g7wTVzi1mGYh61dJWEa71GihI/A=; b=OqmJGA4DkGc3ipWGhQGEUo2XQcMFMaIQYB0lB/s0O+XbEArwIUyylXseWHUGCkWUMd EgX5ExHrdgSR/jCdMEbJA5p6s9PQmcIzSbqikCuBMAetfuJ7TdORS9IBc6qLJNb0B75n KR1QETFmUydOdOt7U/uFK8dzLtJjDt7Xi4Ie4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=oCgO10Bc4WqIkZXBaq6LZjUxya77XAimzDeGWFx4GkzGZasZmNHVqkbMKgNts6s0+c I1Z0fFwSz2i590thMML0Za4Fvu5ETYkLgYBtuFj7yXnGOFH+l+t/UhexxQFsrwxNQ08C ljG8ev8CUrdDsbaUy70UHoWscY2euFgOYKwi4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:59:36 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6ad12b6ce8504974a4650 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:59:37 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6ad12b6ce8504974a4650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 your computer is effectively the base station and your phone is connecting to it. i suspect it will always have the same ip address. the internet doesn't come into it - your computer isn't looking to hook up with anything - it's just making itself available for other devices to hook up to it sim sim On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Simeon Harris > wrote: > > ok, so i truned off my router and followed the instructions given (didn't > > bother with a password) and i was able to connect my ipod to my computer > > with no problem. i just went to my wifi settings on my ipod and selected > my > > computer from the list of available networks (the others were my > neighbour's > > wifi). no base station needed. > > Nice. Then you only need to create a network that does not connect to > the internet - cause then it might hook up with a provider that feeds > a new IP address - in order to keep forever the same IP address as the > TouchOSC has memorized? > > Per > > --000e0cd6ad12b6ce8504974a4650 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable your computer is effectively the base station and your phone is connecting = to it. i suspect it will always have the same ip address. the internet does= n't come into it - your computer isn't looking to hook up with anyt= hing - it's just making itself available for other devices to hook up t= o it

sim

sim

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 a= t 12:53 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Simeon Harris
<simeonharris40@googlem= ail.com> wrote:
> ok, so i truned off my router and followed the instructions given (did= n't
> bother with a password) and i was able to connect my ipod to my comput= er
> with no problem. i just went to my wifi settings on my ipod and select= ed my
> computer from the list of available networks (the others were my neigh= bour's
> wifi). no base station needed.

Nice. Then you only need to create a network that does not connect to=
the internet - cause then it might hook up with a provider that feeds
a new IP address - in order to keep forever the same IP address as the
TouchOSC has memorized?

Per


--000e0cd6ad12b6ce8504974a4650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 13:45:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D22C71834A0; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cefc8227-2414-4ee4-b4e3-904130a973da_" X-Originating-IP: [212.219.56.214] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:45:28 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net>,,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2010 13:45:28.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[009B6160:01CB9ACC] Resent-Message-ID: <7rU3T.A.qj.6NiBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:45:30 +0000 (UTC) --_cefc8227-2414-4ee4-b4e3-904130a973da_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've just been looking into mobile recorders for my forthcoming travels an= d have pretty much decided on the Zoom H4n. It doubles as a usb interface= =2C up to 4 inputs at once=2C (recorded on separate tracks) and has good mi= cs on board - I should think this would be a pretty good option though it i= sn't firewire. =20 Peace =20 G From: andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Date: Mon=2C 13 Dec 2010 13:50:32 +0100 Hi all! I'd like to take advantage of this topic to get an advice on which audio in= terface to buy: I plan to do a on the road record on my next travel to Brazil I want that to have a natural sounding vibe but also quality to it because = I later want to release that on DVD... I'm going to play guitar and percussions live together with local musicians= in their own environment... so I plan to travel with a macbook pro (by that way I'm undecided to buy on= e used on late 2007 or another used 2009 or a new one - is that necessary t= o have the last one or is ok the olders? I'm new into mac:)) and an audio interface with good and natural sounding mic preamps=2C vario= us analogic mic inputs and a stadalone possibilty for gigs aside from the t= ravel) for what I've understood I think I'll use logic pro and maybe for the live = playing with mac ableton or audiodesk or something else... so my main concern is sound quality=2C easy operation and reliabilty with d= rives and so on... for what I've read I'm thinking about: motu traveler presonus firestudio or fireproject tc electronic d24 konnect or impacr twin or any other will fit my needs the toal budget MAc + Audio interface it's around 1200/1500 euros and then I'll have to buy mics! and before that save a lot of money I guess= :) Thanks to all!! Andrea > Date: Mon=2C 13 Dec 2010 12:45:48 +0100 > Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS= ? > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > LOL=2C the interfaces below are the ones I just intended to suggest. You > actually asked for "what sounds really good" =3B-)) The hard truth is > that you get what you pay for. I sold some stuff to get a Firefac400=2C > for the sake of the sound. So I'm not saying the FF400 is good because > I own one=2C I actually picked it to get that sound. It gives the same > good feeling as "plugging into a better sounding amp" compared to most > other interfaces (except for the ones mentioned below I guess). The > difference is obvious with mic input as well as electromagnetic > instruments like Stick and guitar. >=20 > If amplified through less good speakers the difference might not be as > flagrant though. The crappiest part of the signal flow chain is > setting the main output fidelity. This may bias a list discussion like > this because you don't know what monitoring people are basing their > opinions on when posting recommendations for an audio interface =3B-) >=20 > Per >=20 >=20 > On Mon=2C Dec 13=2C 2010 at 4:17 AM=2C tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > > Ooofda! > > > > At a price like that=2C no wonder the Metric Halo hadn't appeared on my= radar. > > > > (Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 =3D $1=2C895) > > > > Even the RME 400 is a bit pricier than my humble wallet can afford. > > > > (RME Fireface 400 =3D RME Fireface 400) > > > > Like Kevin said=2C I have heard some really good things about the Apoge= e Duet=2C > > though it's mere 2 in and 2 out is pretty limiting. > > > > (Apogee Duet =3D $499.95) > > > > I just don't know anyone "in the field" using one. > > > > I appreciate all input though. > > > > I am considering anything I can afford...let's say under $800 >=20 = --_cefc8227-2414-4ee4-b4e3-904130a973da_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 =3BI've just been looking into mobile recorders for my forthcoming= travels and have pretty much decided on the Zoom H4n. It doubles as a usb = interface=2C up to 4 inputs at once=2C (recorded on separate tracks) and ha= s good mics on board - I should think this would be a pretty good option th= ough it isn't firewire.
 =3B
Peace
 =3B
G
From: andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.co= m
Subject: RE: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE D= AYS?
Date: Mon=2C 13 Dec 2010 13:50:32 +0100

Hi all!

I'd like to take advantage of this topic to get an advice on= which audio interface to buy:

I plan to do a on the road record on = my next travel to Brazil
I want that to have a natural sounding vibe but= also quality to it because I later want to release that on DVD...
I'm g= oing to play guitar and percussions live together with local musicians in t= heir own environment...

so I plan to travel with a macbook pro (by t= hat way I'm undecided to buy one used on late 2007 or another used 2009 or = a new one - is that necessary to have the last one or is ok the olders? I'm= new into mac:))

 =3Band an audio interface with good and natura= l sounding mic preamps=2C various analogic mic inputs and a stadalone possi= bilty for gigs aside from the travel)

for what I've understood I thi= nk I'll use logic pro and maybe for the live playing with mac ableton or au= diodesk or something else...
so my main concern is sound quality=2C easy= operation and reliabilty with drives and so on...

for what I've rea= d I'm thinking about:
motu traveler
presonus firestudio or fireprojec= t
tc electronic d24 konnect or impacr twin
or any other will fit my n= eeds

the toal budget MAc + Audio interface it's around 1200/1500 eur= os

and then I'll have to buy mics! and before that save a lot of mon= ey I guess:)

Thanks to all!!

Andrea
>=3B Date: Mon=2C 13= Dec 2010 12:45:48 +0100
>=3B Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTE= FACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS?
>=3B From: perboysen@gmail.com
&= gt=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B LOL=2C t= he interfaces below are the ones I just intended to suggest. You
>=3B = actually asked for "what sounds really good" =3B-)) The hard truth is
&g= t=3B that you get what you pay for. I sold some stuff to get a Firefac400= =2C
>=3B for the sake of the sound. So I'm not saying the FF400 is goo= d because
>=3B I own one=2C I actually picked it to get that sound. It= gives the same
>=3B good feeling as "plugging into a better sounding = amp" compared to most
>=3B other interfaces (except for the ones menti= oned below I guess). The
>=3B difference is obvious with mic input as = well as electromagnetic
>=3B instruments like Stick and guitar.
>= =3B
>=3B If amplified through less good speakers the difference might= not be as
>=3B flagrant though. The crappiest part of the signal flow= chain is
>=3B setting the main output fidelity. This may bias a list = discussion like
>=3B this because you don't know what monitoring peopl= e are basing their
>=3B opinions on when posting recommendations for a= n audio interface =3B-)
>=3B
>=3B Per
>=3B
>=3B
&= gt=3B On Mon=2C Dec 13=2C 2010 at 4:17 AM=2C tEd =AE KiLLiAn <=3Btedkilli= an@charter.net>=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B Ooofda!
>=3B >=3B
&g= t=3B >=3B At a price like that=2C no wonder the Metric Halo hadn't appear= ed on my radar.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B (Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2= 882 =3D $1=2C895)
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Even the RME 400 is a b= it pricier than my humble wallet can afford.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >= =3B (RME Fireface 400 =3D RME Fireface 400)
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >= =3B Like Kevin said=2C I have heard some really good things about the Apoge= e Duet=2C
>=3B >=3B though it's mere 2 in and 2 out is pretty limiti= ng.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B (Apogee Duet =3D $499.95)
>=3B &= gt=3B
>=3B >=3B I just don't know anyone "in the field" using one.>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B I appreciate all input though.
>=3B &= gt=3B
>=3B >=3B I am considering anything I can afford...let's say u= nder $800
>=3B
= --_cefc8227-2414-4ee4-b4e3-904130a973da_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 13:46:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F30881834AB; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Stuff that Works References: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-7-408149027"; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 08:46:01 -0500 To: thread-topic: Stuff that Works thread-index: AcuazDM8XDa8Nj77RtSSLSahWsaSsw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2010 13:46:53.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[33653DF0:01CB9ACC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:46:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-408149027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ya'll ever heard that Guy Clark song, Stuff that Works? It's a good'en.=20 With all this talk of stuff that dont work, I'm so glad I havent gone the la= ptop route yet!! My little LP1 and midibuddy are just plugging right along!!= !!!! Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 10, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Louie Angulo wro= te: > Per wrote: > I love that the LG2 is so reliable! It only sends out the data you have > programmed it to send out, the FCB is just disastrous with that. > =20 > Per but you never upgraded the FCB with the UnO chip, since i did i never h= ad an issue with it sending weird midi messages again,=20 > and you can program it with the Ripwerx software or without it (unfortunat= ely there isnt a reliable Ripwerx software for mac;-( > but thats is still a pretty good bargain for a foot controller id say! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:11 AM, William Walker w= rote: > > I just wanted to let you know I got my Gordius Little Giant back afte= r > > its Version 2 upgrade, and I love the way the new LCD graphic display lo= oks > > and the new flexibility of the 1/4 cc outputs on the back of which I hav= en't > > begun to scratch the surface . One cool thing about its LCD display is t= hat > > it shows in large full screen numbers what patch I happen to be on and i= t > > has a screen saver mode. In its earlier version the characters where sma= ller > > and less easy to see from a distance, This is great for my middle age > > peepers. Its been a work horse since I got it, its built like a tank, it= s > > switches have fast response and are quieter than most , though I'm intri= gued > > by Andy's idea of putting some foam on the inside to dampen the acoustic= > > chamber aspect of the chassis itself, to see if i can minimize mechanica= l > > noise even further. If it weren't for the fact that the original LCD sc= reen > > started to dim, I might have never considered the version 2 firmware upg= rade > > but I'm glad Xavier convinced me to do it. He made a great piece of gear= > > even better. Its never failed me 5 years of almost daily use. If I eve= r > > move to a lap top this will easily make the transition vis its USB port.= > > Since the LG also has a second pair of midi ins and outs, I have on > > occasion been using an old roland FC-50 midi pedal as a remote to eithe= r > > add more preset switches to control more parameters on my looperlative,= or > > use a slightly quieter remote switch in critical open mic recording > > situations. The Roland pedal switches like this are about as quiet as th= ey > > come mechanical noise-wise but do become creaky sounding with wear and t= ear, > > The FCB's switches are a little noisier still to my ears with even more w= ear > > related issues, though as has been pointed out before, its possible to > > trigger the Gordius switches with a very light touch and create almost n= o > > mechanical noise. > > Bill > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-7-408149027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Ya'll ever heard that Guy Clark song, Stuff that Works?  It's a good'en. 

With all this talk of stuff that dont work, I'm so glad I havent gone the laptop route yet!! My little LP1 and midibuddy are just plugging right along!!!!!!

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!


On Dec 10, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:

 Per wrote:
I love that the LG2 is so reliable! It only sends out the data you have
programmed it to send out, the FCB is just disastrous with that.
 
Per but you never upgraded the FCB with the UnO chip, since i did i never had an issue with it sending weird midi messages again,
and you can program it with the Ripwerx software or without it (unfortunately there isnt a reliable Ripwerx software for mac;-(
but thats is still a pretty good bargain for a foot controller id say!












 
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:11 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
>    I just wanted to let you know I got my Gordius Little Giant back after
> its Version 2 upgrade, and I love the way the new LCD graphic display looks
> and the new flexibility of the 1/4 cc outputs on the back of which I haven't
> begun to scratch the surface . One cool thing about its LCD display is that
> it shows in large full screen numbers what patch I happen to be on and it
> has a screen saver mode. In its earlier version the characters where smaller
> and less easy to see from a distance, This is great for my middle age
> peepers. Its been a work horse since I got it, its built like a tank, its
> switches have fast response and are quieter than most , though I'm intrigued
> by Andy's idea of putting some foam on the inside to dampen the acoustic
> chamber aspect of the chassis itself, to see if i can minimize mechanical
> noise even further. If it weren't for the fact that the original  LCD screen
> started to dim, I might have never considered the version 2 firmware upgrade
> but I'm glad Xavier convinced me to do it. He made a great piece of gear
> even better. Its never failed me 5 years of almost  daily use.  If I ever
> move to a lap top this will easily make the transition vis its USB port.
>  Since the LG also has a second pair of midi ins and outs, I have on
> occasion  been using an old roland FC-50 midi pedal as a remote to either
> add more preset switches  to control more parameters on my looperlative, or
> use a slightly quieter remote switch in critical open mic recording
> situations. The Roland pedal switches like this are about as quiet as they
> come mechanical noise-wise but do become creaky sounding with wear and tear,
> The FCB's switches are a little noisier still to my ears with even more wear
> related issues, though as has been pointed out before, its possible to
> trigger the Gordius switches with a very light touch and create almost no
> mechanical noise.
> Bill
>
>



--Apple-Mail-7-408149027-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 14:05:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DB6C1834E2; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vX9RELeYqZmrHRn0GLlknUDMfscv+rhcIHvf7V7/M0Y=; b=CjF0y1lR0w4YG29M/ILrAWW0zjYjLOX6dUr5TDDGVFCuQvFJvnpS2I5SjfdJ1EO2tY tZUGun5jx1O6SxDB+zLQdFieBDHvUen+uMzUSliQECCglo5fYsR72/O40LI1D0AxLeBW PIC7hPevM+fwRJyav0kEQjkYk7m5RLbvaWQ2o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Bc+p8lwFB/YlnOeKzjtuzhpX7JIqopVnothbROX8ghnqD2qzp5ZggfvXWM/XLBq2n2 q5Yb1tCU9vs0x57KUmvzUqsRzYfDq4qv4DxT6irZ+3+jg7ex86Z1vySS/93uiv7ozmNW 8/SrXUO2Yb2umFAdFH/KGFMYgUmhRcC0KDd58= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:05:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:05:11 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > =C2=A0I've just been looking into mobile recorders for my forthcoming tra= vels and > have pretty much decided on the Zoom H4n. It doubles as a usb interface, = up > to 4 inputs at once, (recorded on separate tracks) and has good mics on > board - I should think this would be a pretty good option though it isn't > firewire. I have successfully used a H4 since it was first released. I think it excels as a stereo hand recorder and I mainly use it for recording interviews for journalistic work and stereo field sound to be used in my own music productions. Since I'm curious I also tested the H4's capabilities as USB audio interface and found it epically crappy. I also tested its capabilities as a guitar effect processor and found it sounding "digitally crappy". Finally I tortured myself with the four track recorder function environment... jeez, that one is light years from "plug n play" ;-) But as a hand held stereo field recorder I think it is great! That's the use I dare to recommend the H4 for. Rather good fidelity as well with the built-in mics. Before buying a H4 today I would compare its recording abilities with the iPhone. I've heard the iPhone 4 records good audio but have not found time to test that out properly yet. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 14:24:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50EBB1834EB; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 539559905/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.113/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.113 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkcCAIq7BU1V0rZx/2dsb2JhbAAHlVPRNoVKBI4B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,336,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="539559905" Message-ID: <4D062CBF.2040605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:25:03 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? References: ,<70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net>,,,,, In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Gareth Whittock wrote: > > I've just been looking into mobile recorders for my forthcoming travels > and have pretty much decided on the Zoom H4n. It doubles as a usb > interface, I'd double check that it actually *works* as a usb interface. The H2 also claims that feature, but the input is always fed straight to the output when it's used like that. It's possible they took notice of user feedback and fixed that for the H4n of course. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 14:25:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4ACB1834F3; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 548092732/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.113/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.113 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkcCAE67BU1V0rZx/2dsb2JhbAAHlVPRNoVKBI4B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,336,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="548092732" Message-ID: <4D062CA0.50203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:24:32 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? References: ,<70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net>,,,,, In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Gareth Whittock wrote: > > I've just been looking into mobile recorders for my forthcoming travels > and have pretty much decided on the Zoom H4n. It doubles as a usb > interface, I'd double check that it actually *works* as a usb interface. The H2 also claims that feature, but the input is always fed straight to the output when it's used like that. It's possible they took notice of user feedback and fixed that for the H4n of course. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 14:40:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5213F1834A9; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 545269384/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.113/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.113 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkgCAJi+BU1V0rZx/2dsb2JhbAAHg1WRfsERkC2BIYM1dASOAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,336,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="545269384" Message-ID: <4D06305A.20608@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:40:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > But as a hand held stereo field recorder I think it is great! That's > the use I dare to recommend the H4 for. Rather good fidelity as well > with the built-in mics. The H4n doesn't have the same mics as the nice ones in the H4 (and H2). I specifically asked Zoom tech support about this, and they were able to confirm that the new mics were "better". They wouldn't reply when I asked what exactly was better about them. The frequency response curves show the newer mics to have a less flat response in the upper mid and high frequencies. Not to criticise the H4n (and related Zooms) tho', I think it's just some fluke that the H2/H4 mics turned out surprisingly good. ..sound samples here for a good selection of recorders, so no need to take my word for it http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/portable-recorder-sound-samples.html > > Before buying a H4 today I would compare its recording abilities with > the iPhone. seriously though andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 14:44:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36A0E1834AC; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292251483; bh=gOVYzeEjc4NJcbgZ8v6bc2zL0YYNC5iI5Q4RDs9U3Z8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KNu46u/1ViDEUqjiWWBiQA9LcN3oBiHX8xs6GgzLfiLX8r17MvBIESmfJ5s6w3LDWzK0Kcx3hMu8BqtxcJVE+Bx1m8zKGE3FORENx0AETy6tpuKSQqkBEiX7mEva+Pvf6GgMza+1Jq7uTvzu/gOXS7xdeYoETruzmB9jUSEFG4g= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VviZ/PTIxn0CPEePZtq9Isj6VhnSOSaKv3NaNSBmZ0kCshGaY5vNncwOrbxmmLSSN7wZHj8WVcqIqZtN6CxY4udip5mugL+JS42C6mifFjhuX+BYFEZ9vpt9Hxrf9juHOsnKIe6ptQwnmx2OS5auFR0oJ88x/qSGyxsVt/bzhEk=; Message-ID: <11271.8667.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dt47m6MVM1njDVVBXyb356mcFYvqfJ05cLedIrCIZLV9Rjf hyf6zEf1kwBMdJIJWZtcXkO5PaNdDPzx1yGDXr6Qo_Q72bEZfnKw.8UoG0.C DXCBByHexD.Ayj4RxumLGcs8Vc.EHog.lxHwZ0D_By2LXMQ8jHD_IuKcJYZH BFNTJT6mrhbHfXsceJ0k_FxSxznI82nOepFR8e50q1z4NBwVAUEVqbalKVMc j2NVzoiQGlKDyfRyUNtjkBIvB3mo59JvpwcVXkXvcfyR0.j9UUNkABwQtxMz APAhvgW3emmlegdNsEJjaxQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 06:44:42 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1576930953-1292251482=:8667" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:44:44 +0000 (UTC) --0-1576930953-1292251482=:8667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hello, I have a Sony D50 and it sounds great with internal mics- and even better with DPA miniature mics. No USB interface capabilities. For that I use RME multiface with a card on a PowerBook. Antony ________________________________ From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 3:05:10 PM Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > I've just been looking into mobile recorders for my forthcoming travels and > have pretty much decided on the Zoom H4n. It doubles as a usb interface, up > to 4 inputs at once, (recorded on separate tracks) and has good mics on > board - I should think this would be a pretty good option though it isn't > firewire. I have successfully used a H4 since it was first released. I think it excels as a stereo hand recorder and I mainly use it for recording interviews for journalistic work and stereo field sound to be used in my own music productions. Since I'm curious I also tested the H4's capabilities as USB audio interface and found it epically crappy. I also tested its capabilities as a guitar effect processor and found it sounding "digitally crappy". Finally I tortured myself with the four track recorder function environment... jeez, that one is light years from "plug n play" ;-) But as a hand held stereo field recorder I think it is great! That's the use I dare to recommend the H4 for. Rather good fidelity as well with the built-in mics. Before buying a H4 today I would compare its recording abilities with the iPhone. I've heard the iPhone 4 records good audio but have not found time to test that out properly yet. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub --0-1576930953-1292251482=:8667 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
hello,

I have a Sony D50 and it sounds great with internal mics- and even better with DPA miniature mics. No USB interface capabilities. For that I use RME multiface with a card on a PowerBook.

Antony

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 3:05:10 PM
Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS?

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Gareth Whittock
<buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
>  I've just been looking into mobile recorders for my forthcoming travels and
> have pretty much decided on the Zoom H4n. It doubles as a usb interface, up
> to 4 inputs at once, (recorded on separate tracks) and has good mics on
> board - I should think this would be a pretty good option though it isn't
> firewire.


I have successfully used a H4 since it was first released. I think it
excels as a stereo hand recorder and I mainly use it for recording
interviews for journalistic work and stereo field sound to be used in
my own music productions. Since I'm curious I also tested the H4's
capabilities as USB audio interface and found it epically crappy. I
also tested its capabilities as a guitar effect processor and found it
sounding "digitally crappy". Finally I tortured myself with the four
track recorder function environment... jeez, that one is light years
from "plug n play" ;-)

But as a hand held stereo field recorder I think it is great! That's
the use I dare to recommend the H4 for. Rather good fidelity as well
with the built-in mics.

Before buying a H4 today I would compare its recording abilities with
the iPhone. I've heard the iPhone 4 records good audio but have not
found time to test that out properly yet.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub


--0-1576930953-1292251482=:8667-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 14:45:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD55D1834D8; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=GwA0t/lifSHLKQJYM24zt+U4TFPgNJyMq763tNbP2rA=; b=vT3RSiefvMwNxGyxRg0jcM8S2BJypr2KfyuK5M7so09G8hIKCGVgtz4mL4CzM8MIYu Q2/gjc1weiiKQERhQ6+ToC2ZIqzaXTdODD2Wn+GplWtU7OmzoqGUILFYPVvyglt7mk03 tv6XvHMmKbuKahgY5nn9m2JVD+JV3zVo2NaxA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=DJANdOZbk9OalmOLVaceFcpIt386hCA43CqhufhtP+p25K+Un9FRuvDe/MTz2WUMnL JHR8GBHKrWYdzpcbbX2CMgNYMll+n1zeEqcXE0H7RHn1djD/zzVWQaftz8Im4DjG6/L6 heHVB2qQeGoVGypg/F9PqROHb8zOcRlNbFIDY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:45:09 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 35Afb32VSb8NJc2nOBuLnDxiiS0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364266032f255904974bc023 Resent-Message-ID: <7v-kNB.A.zeC.2FjBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:45:10 +0000 (UTC) --0016364266032f255904974bc023 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I worked with the MOTU 828 for a while. Wasn't particularly impressed, but it was solid. I picked up an ART Tubefire 8 over the summer and am loving it. While it's not at all like having outboard tubes to really warm and grit things up, I typically let the interface warm-up for a about 15-20mins before I start recording. If you're in the Greater Boston, MA area, check out Parson's Audio in Wellsley (http://www.paudio.com/). Great shop for recording gear!! love Daniel www.danielharris.bandcamp.com On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:37 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wr= ote: > Hi all! > > I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a number of month= s > now while I explore the world of software looping, Max MSP and other > software audio processing possibilities. > > What are people out there using that sounds really, really good? > > I can't help but feel that the MOTU I've got is sucking something vital o= ut > of my sound - though it comes very highly recommended. > > It also has enough extra inputs and outputs to make it quite useful and > flexible as a stand-alone rackmount mixer. > > But utility aside, though I can't quite put my finger on it, the sound > doesn't ring my bell. > > I'm just looking for other options and suggestions. > > The MOTU was loaned to me on indefinite terms by a good friend. > > I was thinking about buying one (or some other unit) for myself and > returning it to its owner. > > Keeping in mind that I am strictly in the Apple/Mac computer dominion and > prefer FireWire connectivity, what do people suggest? > > Best, > > Ted Killian > > --0016364266032f255904974bc023 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I worked with the MOTU 828 for a while. Wasn't particularly impressed, = but it was solid.

I picked up an ART Tubefire 8 over the summer and= am loving it. While it's not at all like having outboard tubes to real= ly warm and grit things up, I typically let the interface warm-up for a abo= ut 15-20mins before I start recording.

If you're in the Greater Boston, MA area, check out Parson's Au= dio in Wellsley (http://www.paudio.com/<= /a>). Great shop for recording gear!!


love
Daniel

www.danielharris.bandcamp.= com


On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:37= PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Hi all!

I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a number of months = now while I explore the world of software looping, Max MSP and other softwa= re audio processing possibilities.

What are people out there using that sounds really, really good?

I can't help but feel that the MOTU I've got is sucking something v= ital out of my sound - though it comes very highly recommended.

It also has enough extra inputs and outputs to make it quite useful and fle= xible as a stand-alone rackmount mixer.

But utility aside, though I can't quite put my finger on it, the sound = doesn't ring my bell.

I'm just looking for other options and suggestions.

The MOTU was loaned to me on indefinite terms by a good friend.

I was thinking about buying one (or some other unit) for myself and returni= ng it to its owner.

Keeping in mind that I am strictly in the Apple/Mac computer dominion and p= refer FireWire connectivity, what do people suggest?

Best,

Ted Killian


--0016364266032f255904974bc023-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 14:47:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 148D01834E5; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:47:10 UTC Message-ID: <7954CFCC4CD74E738F819EBF7D8D1434@boo6e771026609> From: "boost" To: Subject: Brand New Member Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:40:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01CB9ADC.1677BE60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101213-0, 13/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 3485223161988955826 X-Ovh-Remote: 81.220.209.20 (ip-20.net-81-220-209.rev.numericable.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.500034/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:47:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CB9ADC.1677BE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi ! i'm booster from france and just joined this newsletter as an introduction, let me show you two videos i made recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DR6G1nK3BJlM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuDR_N68lm9U i use 4 echoplex in sync, playing guitar bass drums and rhodes. hope you appreciate boost ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CB9ADC.1677BE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0055_01CB9ADC.1677BE60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 14:50:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F02FF1834F3; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TbaXiDCwEP4naZloOEUjQoDWUk7tKzpHrVo/FuG4eZE=; b=SACKADlDGt8FYtF/M46FQ8G8IcPKLJU2qIfDbLtFJH13/FRaqagHDcwz4CwH735BDS jOY42S2Xye0jtQvGSEkf1E9mLGjhmjq2q1aX94gZVKgZxA0ZkxVMKLmxV9kV5AzddkQp NrNnafi6pwOkG14uBNBHNj5zRqrfyLDEd4AoY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=SaDTF8sSNx5M/hGZoOhmFw1NW9g2qDy1DVCNKAyP0nhUr9RpyyDl7Aiwz1kKmysesh UGPEaRt9U0Ez71qmyky6mD9jM0OKez1n/2pRIdSBGXTPbAdbvkq33JCz+c9/fqaOkoTC srT3o388bMKa/pres40qskt6blhfWfueWtAHA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D06305A.20608@tiscali.co.uk> References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> <4D06305A.20608@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:50:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:50:37 +0000 (UTC) >> >> Before buying a H4 today I would compare its recording abilities with >> the iPhone. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:40 PM, andy butler wrote: > seriously though "To be weight in for portability reasons", I should have written out too ;-)) And I was posting that related to the "hand held field recorder" discussion brought in by mentioning the Zoom H4 (that actually is NOT a "firewire interface" according to this thread's subject) BTW, good thing Andy brought up the "n" version. I didn't know the mic's were crippled with today'z zoom. Sorry to hear that. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 14:54:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00390183501; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c8a2bcc8-631f-489c-a71a-cd18ec61f727_" X-Originating-IP: [212.219.56.214] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:54:02 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4D06305A.20608@tiscali.co.uk> References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> ,<4D06305A.20608@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2010 14:54:01.0962 (UTC) FILETIME=[947554A0:01CB9AD5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:54:04 +0000 (UTC) --_c8a2bcc8-631f-489c-a71a-cd18ec61f727_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's interesting.=20 I'll check this out Andy. I've read that the H2 isn't that hot fidelity-wis= e. I need the 4 channel option for forthcoming surround recording.=20 What's wrong with the H4 as a soundcard Per? Is it latency? and can you be = more specific about your difficulties with the 4 track option.=20 I just need to capture 4 tracks for later editing but though others might f= ind it useful. =20 Peace =20 G =20 > Date: Mon=2C 13 Dec 2010 14:40:26 +0000 > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS= ? >=20 > Per Boysen wrote: >=20 > > But as a hand held stereo field recorder I think it is great! That's > > the use I dare to recommend the H4 for. Rather good fidelity as well > > with the built-in mics. >=20 > The H4n doesn't have the same mics as the nice ones in the H4 (and H2). > I specifically asked Zoom tech support about this=2C and they > were able to confirm that the new mics were "better". > They wouldn't reply when I asked what exactly was better about them. >=20 > The frequency response curves show the newer mics to have a less flat > response in the upper mid and high frequencies. >=20 > Not to criticise the H4n (and related Zooms) tho'=2C I think it's > just some fluke that the H2/H4 mics turned out surprisingly good. >=20 > ..sound samples here for a good selection of recorders=2C so no > need to take my word for it >=20 > http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/portable-recorder-sound-samples.html >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > Before buying a H4 today I would compare its recording abilities with > > the iPhone.=20 >=20 > seriously though >=20 > andy >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 = --_c8a2bcc8-631f-489c-a71a-cd18ec61f727_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's interesting.
I'll check this out Andy. I've read that the H2 isn't that hot fidelity-wis= e. =3BI need =3Bthe 4 channel option =3Bfor forthcoming surroun= d recording.
What's wrong with the H4 as a soundcard Per? Is it latency? and can you be = more specific about =3Byour difficulties with the 4 track option.
I just =3Bneed to capture 4 tracks for later =3Bediting but though = others might find it useful.
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Peace
 =3B
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 =3B
>=3B Date: Mon=2C 13 Dec 2010 14:40:26 +0000
>=3B From: akbutler@tis= cali.co.uk
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subj= ect: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS?
&= gt=3B
>=3B Per Boysen wrote:
>=3B
>=3B >=3B But as a han= d held stereo field recorder I think it is great! That's
>=3B >=3B t= he use I dare to recommend the H4 for. Rather good fidelity as well
>= =3B >=3B with the built-in mics.
>=3B
>=3B The H4n doesn't hav= e the same mics as the nice ones in the H4 (and H2).
>=3B I specifical= ly asked Zoom tech support about this=2C and they
>=3B were able to co= nfirm that the new mics were "better".
>=3B They wouldn't reply when I= asked what exactly was better about them.
>=3B
>=3B The frequen= cy response curves show the newer mics to have a less flat
>=3B respon= se in the upper mid and high frequencies.
>=3B
>=3B Not to criti= cise the H4n (and related Zooms) tho'=2C I think it's
>=3B just some f= luke that the H2/H4 mics turned out surprisingly good.
>=3B
>=3B= ..sound samples here for a good selection of recorders=2C so no
>=3B = need to take my word for it
>=3B
>=3B http://www.wingfieldaudio.= com/portable-recorder-sound-samples.html
>=3B
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= --_c8a2bcc8-631f-489c-a71a-cd18ec61f727_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 15:03:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E225118351B; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5nHhBTk1MtCNZ0AfE7P+z32cSCAPWspXusHbB2qqlO4=; b=HC1CsorehVQ1F0Ja3pEBcmd4SGvBqjMGZ6pJY/56lB8xeG3eu5DM1T9ffv/pIatY/f rK4Lf7534FX4nl8qy1qUqtXvL2gpCPH619UaLfq0A3rupMFX9wWVAjzDCQgzRL+fniLh svfAKEqCMPVjTEhxaC6txuEPkMpOtluDD08wk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=SKGd1tNfC1ARCscAXF4WwWlVHbTce4oVqhjfcxkbZWCMdlckbxOYN3llL3ZuL9+1JT dwTsRdIfXQPKHkKGgO+KPixuNq6IfE6ZgYJxVv3+eEfGkfebFcmOxJxvPc0VaxVcN+i5 M9FgV7e65AnJGmTs5iUOiY52AZo9bffJ7OzfE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> <4D06305A.20608@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:03:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:03:29 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > What's wrong with the H4 as a soundcard Per? The way it sounds. Sounds like a "cheap audio interface", "crappy fidelity", "harsh on the ears at loud level", "drop-outs" in the audio as well as clicks and other artifacts. I'm not a tech engineer, so I can't be specific in that way. But probably it comes down to bad choice (cheap components) regarding analog-digital and digital-analog conversion. I'm not totally happy posting this to the list though, because I have experienced that some people almost don't here what I'm talking about (or don't they care about good sound?) and for these people my points must seem just like "talking nonsense" ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 15:40:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1E051834B3; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_45eb9238-c3cd-4b2d-a93e-d30f9bb42ac1_" X-Originating-IP: [83.145.33.34] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Brand New Member Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:40:13 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7954CFCC4CD74E738F819EBF7D8D1434@boo6e771026609> References: <7954CFCC4CD74E738F819EBF7D8D1434@boo6e771026609> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2010 15:40:13.0120 (UTC) FILETIME=[08327C00:01CB9ADC] Resent-Message-ID: <6YPzO.A.BbE.e5jBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:40:14 +0000 (UTC) --_45eb9238-c3cd-4b2d-a93e-d30f9bb42ac1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable VERY COOL.. I feel a Miles/weather report kind of vibe... Do you control the EPD's from the buttons on top of your Rhodes?? =20 Anders =20 From: boost@boosterized.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Brand New Member Date: Mon=2C 13 Dec 2010 15:40:37 +0100 Hi ! i'm booster from france and just joined this newsletter as an introduction=2C let me show you two videos i made recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DR6G1nK3BJlM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuDR_N68lm9U i use 4 echoplex in sync=2C playing guitar bass drums and rhodes. hope you appreciate boost = --_45eb9238-c3cd-4b2d-a93e-d30f9bb42ac1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable VERY COOL.. I feel a Miles/weather report kind of =3Bvibe...
Do you control the EPD's from the buttons on top of your Rhodes??
 =3B
Anders
 =3B
From: boost@boosterized.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
S= ubject: Brand New Member
Date: Mon=2C 13 Dec 2010 15:40:37 +0100

Hi !
i'm booster from =3Bfrance and just jo= ined this newsletter
as an introduction=2C let me show you two = videos i made recently:
i use 4 echoplex in sync=2C playing guitar= bass drums and rhodes.
hope you appreciate
boost
= --_45eb9238-c3cd-4b2d-a93e-d30f9bb42ac1_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 15:45:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 245CE1834A0; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RTSrhZVI1SkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=9pi4vFbO0C4V03zOLbwA:9 a=GSWZMLyVrtRvksg1BasA:7 a=SEAUZ_KC2qZzmwX0JDLhPoH7660A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Cc: William Walker Message-Id: <7829D32A-EDAA-45F7-9305-70BB190C48A8@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 07:45:27 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Bill, I was doing sort of a "scientific" A/B test with the MOTU on Saturday morning. I played my Gibson and VG99 combination into the MOTU and listened through external monitors. I did my best to get the sound levels all adjusted and dialed in so it sounded good - then played and listened. After that, I simply plugged the VG99 into the same monitor speakers themselves and adjusted them to similar volume levels and played and listened. The difference was quite palpable. It was like the difference between being at a live gig and listening to an MP3 recording of one. All the subtle details were gone and a lot of the dynamics. In fact the straight VG sounded so much better that I was inspired to play it the entire rest of the day (about 5 hours) and completely lost track of time until dinnertime. That hasn't happened in months and months. Now I might get a different result if I used the 2 main "preamped" inputs of the MOTU - I will have to try that out. As it was I was only using a pair of the regular line-level inputs on the back. But even if it does sound better to me on those inputs it will nag me to no end that I am not getting as good of sound on the others if I happen to use them (as I had planned). Any advice would be helpful Bill. Cheers, Ted On Dec 12, 2010, at 11:30 PM, William Walker wrote: > Hey Ted I'm curious are you running directly in to the MOTU and > using amp sims and effects plug ins? or are you going stereo direct > and using hardware effects and or amp simulators? > Before I would even recommend interfaces I'm curious why it sounds > so lame to you and wonder if you would elaborate in more specific > detail. Are you clipping your inputs, do you have anything acting > as a buffer between your guitar and the interface, are using any > compression to smooth your transients? does it sound harsh and or > sterile? Even a higher end interface with better converters like the > Apogee stuff can sound brittle if you are hitting it too hard. I've > used a MOTU 2408 for several years now and its worked fine. I've > never been bothered by its sound or latency. > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 15:49:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 413371834A0; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:49:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 548258163/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.113/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.113 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkcCAHfPBU1V0rZx/2dsb2JhbAAHlVXRRoVKBI4B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,336,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="548258163" Message-ID: <4D064093.30800@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:49:39 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF pocket recorders ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> ,<4D06305A.20608@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:49:34 +0000 (UTC) Gareth Whittock wrote: > That's interesting. > I'll check this out Andy. I've read that the H2 isn't that hot > fidelity-wise. Apart from the onboard mics it's noticeably not that good audio wise in everything it does. If you want to use the line I/P on the H4n I'd suggest checking out the headroom. The H2 distorts at anything over -10dB, which isn't any kind of known standard ( usually a -10dB input would be -10dB nominal, with a bit of headroom, but -10dB isn't used these days anyway). In short, anything you put into it will distort without an attenuator. There's a great random element to how Zoom gear turns out it seems. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 16:02:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E63FE1834F4; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=PhPyonEUuuWJiSHWjahk6w6dtcoxsylRLgbRsoW/LWU=; b=erzgI186/4Ju0oowfdimS3JUSxnbuVUL6HIYmfTrUGy1LeALC5q0ffKskUglPGuc65 AcTNn7sAB8hlbwI6VqyjTQbM1hjDi6ZpuHHlaK5IxUF3MuCFJBxKWIWhTjy3NK6lxV4g TD4ZVtVNaYRhscZb8NqVDMU216/zbyix4p8Ps= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=OT/qBBYoeuBc1xzWtTWOg+Nqw5WqfmrmtGn0Jjkq3Jm5qJ8Hg951oN7DusSSuWMYzg IasNcZatf9Gl6KKvcidWTX3J9QrYIub/jp2tqzhGfsi85YbZuYk/Y0FH94OydBAZHQr3 TqGHN5PH8B+W8DIl0nn0/Ki+oHhd9SVAz+d+Y= Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7829D32A-EDAA-45F7-9305-70BB190C48A8@charter.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-416338227 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 08:02:30 -0800 References: <7829D32A-EDAA-45F7-9305-70BB190C48A8@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <1CYtK.A.SZF.gOkBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:02:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-416338227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Dec 13, 2010, at 7:45 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > did my best to get the sound levels all adjusted Does it have mixing software? If it is like the M-Audio I use, things need to be adjusted in the =20 software mixer. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego= --Apple-Mail-1-416338227 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Dec 13, 2010, = at 7:45 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote:

 did my best to get the = sound levels all = adjusted



Does it = have mixing software?
If it is like the M-Audio I use, things = need to be adjusted in the software = mixer.

regards

= --Apple-Mail-1-416338227-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 16:27:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F0601834FD; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "boost" To: References: <7954CFCC4CD74E738F819EBF7D8D1434@boo6e771026609> Subject: Re: Brand New Member Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:27:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CB9AEA.FC66C750" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101213-0, 13/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 5286100064290389682 X-Ovh-Remote: 81.220.209.20 (ip-20.net-81-220-209.rev.numericable.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:27:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CB9AEA.FC66C750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes, i made several midi-controllers, one is the "top of the rhodes" = with video-games buttons. the other ones are more classic foot-controllers. i made them using = doepfer ctm 64 cards here's a photo of the rhodes: = http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j58/boosterized/?action=3Dview¤t=3D= Echo-Rhodes.jpg note the feedback slider on the left... and the 5 little swiths that = allow me to select wich echoplex i controll thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Anders Bergdahl=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:40 PM Subject: RE: Brand New Member VERY COOL.. I feel a Miles/weather report kind of vibe... Do you control the EPD's from the buttons on top of your Rhodes?? =20 Anders =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: boost@boosterized.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Brand New Member Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:40:37 +0100 Hi ! i'm booster from france and just joined this newsletter as an introduction, let me show you two videos i made recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DR6G1nK3BJlM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuDR_N68lm9U i use 4 echoplex in sync, playing guitar bass drums and rhodes. hope you appreciate boost ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CB9AEA.FC66C750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yes, i made several midi-controllers, one is the = "top of=20 the rhodes" with video-games buttons.
the other ones are more classic = foot-controllers. i made=20 them using doepfer ctm 64 cards
here's a photo of the rhodes: http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j58/boos= terized/?action=3Dview&current=3DEcho-Rhodes.jpg
note the feedback slider on the left... and the = 5 little=20 swiths that allow me to select wich echoplex i controll
 
thanks
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Anders Bergdahl =
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 = 4:40=20 PM
Subject: RE: Brand New = Member

VERY COOL.. I feel a Miles/weather report kind=20 of vibe...
Do you control the EPD's from the buttons on top of = your=20 Rhodes??
 
Anders
 
From: boost@boosterized.com
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 Brand New Member
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:40:37 +0100

Hi !
i'm booster from france and just = joined this=20 newsletter
as an introduction, let me show you = two videos i=20 made recently:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DR6G1nK3BJlM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuDR_N68lm9U
i use 4 echoplex in sync, playing = guitar bass=20 drums and rhodes.
hope you appreciate
boost
------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01CB9AEA.FC66C750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 16:36:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FA181834F9; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 01:36:24 +0900 Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: Dustbunnies To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Thread-Index: Acua4+FlyTbALOXlT86sD0gT9Ou97g== In-Reply-To: <7829D32A-EDAA-45F7-9305-70BB190C48A8@charter.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:36:29 +0000 (UTC) On 12/14/10 12:45 AM, "tEd =AE KiLLiAn" wrote: >=20 > I played my Gibson and VG99 combination into the MOTU.... [*snip*] >=20 > ...I was only using a pair of the regular line-level inputs on > the back. Ted, Is the 99 your sole sound source here? If so, don't neglect the Digital I/O! The VG-99 is, of course, a digital sound source. What you're now doing is taking that digital signal, then running it through the VG's onboard DAC's to turn it into an analog signal then digitizing it all over again when you run it into the MOTU's ADC. All this is just to get a digital signal into your computer. Why? Instead, see what happens if you keep everything digital going into the computer. Try running the S/PDIF Output from the VG directly into your laptop, or even the USB Out. I've gotten good results using S/PDIF (not as much so with the USB -- it "felt" a little laggier -- although that could merely be a rote psychological effect, since I almost expected something like that). In fact, the Digital I/O is why I grabbed my AudioFire2 in the first place. (aside: this was before I realized that the input on the Macbook can also accept Optical S/PDIF directly; so I could've cheaped out on a $30 Coax-to-Optical converter rather than a $200 interface. Still, I needed a small 2-channel DAC for the output, and it does a great job there.) As it stands, you're putting your signal through an extra digital ]-->analo= g ]-->digital conversion that doesn't necessarily need to be there. It's obvious you don't like the sound that the MOTU interface is imparting on th= e signal, so try removing that conversion and going direct digital into the computer. Even if you don't like the idea of remaining in the digital domain, it should, at the very least, tell you if your problem is with the MOTU's Inpu= t conversion or if the difficulty is with the interface's outputs. Should help troubleshoot the exact source of your frustration. --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 17:30:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 699561834A9; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Booster References: <7954CFCC4CD74E738F819EBF7D8D1434@boo6e771026609> Thread-topic: Booster Thread-index: Acua62GINhN5PfZHTbKtHztK/L00PA== From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-10-421541755"; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:29:13 -0500 To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2010 17:30:05.0634 (UTC) FILETIME=[61A44A20:01CB9AEB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:30:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10-421541755 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gosh thats cool booster, one more looping mad scientist in the mix.=20 Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 13, 2010, at 11:27 AM, "boost" wrote: > yes, i made several midi-controllers, one is the "top of the rhodes" with v= ideo-games buttons. > the other ones are more classic foot-controllers. i made them using doepfe= r ctm 64 cards > here's a photo of the rhodes: http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j58/booste= rized/?action=3Dview¤t=3DEcho-Rhodes.jpg > note the feedback slider on the left... and the 5 little swiths that allow= me to select wich echoplex i controll > =20 > thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anders Bergdahl > To: Loopers Delight > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:40 PM > Subject: RE: Brand New Member >=20 > VERY COOL.. I feel a Miles/weather report kind of vibe... > Do you control the EPD's from the buttons on top of your Rhodes?? > =20 > Anders > =20 > From: boost@boosterized.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Brand New Member > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:40:37 +0100 >=20 > Hi ! > i'm booster from france and just joined this newsletter > as an introduction, let me show you two videos i made recently: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DR6G1nK3BJlM > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuDR_N68lm9U > i use 4 echoplex in sync, playing guitar bass drums and rhodes. > hope you appreciate > boost --Apple-Mail-10-421541755 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Gosh thats cool booster, one more looping mad scientist in the mix. 

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!


On Dec 13, 2010, at 11:27 AM, "boost" <boost@boosterized.com> wrote:

yes, i made several midi-controllers, one is the "top of the rhodes" with video-games buttons.
the other ones are more classic foot-controllers. i made them using doepfer ctm 64 cards
note the feedback slider on the left... and the 5 little swiths that allow me to select wich echoplex i controll
 
thanks
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: Brand New Member

VERY COOL.. I feel a Miles/weather report kind of vibe...
Do you control the EPD's from the buttons on top of your Rhodes??
 
Anders
 
From: boost@boosterized.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Brand New Member
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:40:37 +0100

Hi !
i'm booster from france and just joined this newsletter
as an introduction, let me show you two videos i made recently:
i use 4 echoplex in sync, playing guitar bass drums and rhodes.
hope you appreciate
boost
--Apple-Mail-10-421541755-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 18:13:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 110771834BF; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sCYrTKV2MLxRx2JLuJz1s8gSYuO4ZYMNhhdqZEh1QQ4LVSEoyN2Lg1n1GEOAyGgX; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7829D32A-EDAA-45F7-9305-70BB190C48A8@charter.net> References: <7829D32A-EDAA-45F7-9305-70BB190C48A8@charter.net> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:12:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec792573ea6ff34143dc96555f672364499a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Ted, I'm glad that you have rediscovered the joy of playing directly into monitors.. but is this test even remotely scientific? ( Have you isolated all of the variables? Have you documented you findings and are they repeatable?) I've run tests of many converters ( I am a professional recording Engineer, etc..) and I become immediately skeptical of such broad pronouncements as you've made below. My suspicion is that the additional latency of the converter has robbed you of the "immediacy" of going without, so playing directly just feels better. You could record yourself using the VG99's digital output, and then loop back through the MOTU and re-record ... make sure the levels are *exactly* matched and then give a listen to the two files (there are some handy "A/B/X/" blind listening programs out there that will help. -Chuck >Bill, > >I was doing sort of a "scientific" A/B test with the MOTU on Saturday morning. > >I played my Gibson and VG99 combination into the MOTU and listened >through external monitors. > >I did my best to get the sound levels all adjusted and dialed in so >it sounded good - then played and listened. > >After that, I simply plugged the VG99 into the same monitor speakers >themselves and adjusted them to similar volume levels and played and >listened. > >The difference was quite palpable. > >It was like the difference between being at a live gig and listening >to an MP3 recording of one. > >All the subtle details were gone and a lot of the dynamics. > >In fact the straight VG sounded so much better that I was inspired >to play it the entire rest of the day (about 5 hours) and completely >lost track of time until dinnertime. > >That hasn't happened in months and months. > >Now I might get a different result if I used the 2 main "preamped" >inputs of the MOTU - I will have to try that out. > >As it was I was only using a pair of the regular line-level inputs >on the back. > >But even if it does sound better to me on those inputs it will nag >me to no end that I am not getting as good of sound on the others if >I happen to use them (as I had planned). > >Any advice would be helpful Bill. > >Cheers, > >Ted > >On Dec 12, 2010, at 11:30 PM, William Walker wrote: > >>Hey Ted I'm curious are you running directly in to the MOTU and >>using amp sims and effects plug ins? or are you going stereo direct >>and using hardware effects and or amp simulators? >>Before I would even recommend interfaces I'm curious why it sounds >>so lame to you and wonder if you would elaborate in more specific >>detail. Are you clipping your inputs, do you have anything acting >>as a buffer between your guitar and the interface, are using any >>compression to smooth your transients? does it sound harsh and or >>sterile? Even a higher end interface with better converters like >>the Apogee stuff can sound brittle if you are hitting it too hard. >>I've used a MOTU 2408 for several years now and its worked fine. >>I've never been bothered by its sound or latency. >>Bill -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 18:19:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB1DE1834C0; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <7954CFCC4CD74E738F819EBF7D8D1434@boo6e771026609> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Brand New Member Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:18:47 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 141.151.136.167 In-Reply-To: <7954CFCC4CD74E738F819EBF7D8D1434@boo6e771026609> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32992-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD690951D387E6-165C-7738@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:19:06 +0000 (UTC) outstanding booster!!!!.....welcome! Hi ! i'm booster from=C2=A0france and just joined this newsletter as an introduction, let me show you two videos i made recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DR6G1nK3BJlM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuDR_N68lm9U i use 4 echoplex in sync, playing guitar bass drums and rhodes. hope you appreciate boost =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 18:26:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B18F18349F; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <9EEABAB0-1801-42AF-8CFB-73192B311FDA@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7829D32A-EDAA-45F7-9305-70BB190C48A8@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:26:15 -0800 References: <7829D32A-EDAA-45F7-9305-70BB190C48A8@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ted, My suspicion is that there is an impedance mismatch of some =20 kind going on whereby the outputs of the VG99 are feeding the MOTU in =20= such a way as to degrade the sound. If there is any way on the VG99 =20= to change the impedance or gain structure of the outputs that might =20 help. If you have a di box or line level matching device to try that =20 might help, and definitely try the two main ins as they might have a =20 wide range of impedance matching than the line ins. Also, remeber that =20= optimal output setting going in to the monitor speakers won't be the =20 same as optimal output levels for going in the MOTU. The MOTU is =20 acting like another preamp stage so you will nee to work to find the =20 optimal balance between VG99 level and MOTU level. The fact that your =20= dynamics went south suggest that an overly hot signal from the VG99 is =20= causing some unwanted compression. Another thing to try is using the =20= digital coax out on the VG99 if the MOTU you are using has digital =20 coax ins, that way you can total bypass the analog preamps. Bill On Dec 13, 2010, at 7:45 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > Bill, > > I was doing sort of a "scientific" A/B test with the MOTU on =20 > Saturday morning. > > I played my Gibson and VG99 combination into the MOTU and listened =20 > through external monitors. > > I did my best to get the sound levels all adjusted and dialed in so =20= > it sounded good - then played and listened. > > After that, I simply plugged the VG99 into the same monitor speakers =20= > themselves and adjusted them to similar volume levels and played and =20= > listened. > > The difference was quite palpable. > > It was like the difference between being at a live gig and listening =20= > to an MP3 recording of one. > > All the subtle details were gone and a lot of the dynamics. > > In fact the straight VG sounded so much better that I was inspired =20 > to play it the entire rest of the day (about 5 hours) and completely =20= > lost track of time until dinnertime. > > That hasn't happened in months and months. > > Now I might get a different result if I used the 2 main "preamped" =20 > inputs of the MOTU - I will have to try that out. > > As it was I was only using a pair of the regular line-level inputs =20 > on the back. > > But even if it does sound better to me on those inputs it will nag =20 > me to no end that I am not getting as good of sound on the others if =20= > I happen to use them (as I had planned). > > Any advice would be helpful Bill. > > Cheers, > > Ted > > On Dec 12, 2010, at 11:30 PM, William Walker wrote: > >> Hey Ted I'm curious are you running directly in to the MOTU and =20 >> using amp sims and effects plug ins? or are you going stereo direct =20= >> and using hardware effects and or amp simulators? >> Before I would even recommend interfaces I'm curious why it sounds =20= >> so lame to you and wonder if you would elaborate in more specific =20= >> detail. Are you clipping your inputs, do you have anything acting =20= >> as a buffer between your guitar and the interface, are using any =20 >> compression to smooth your transients? does it sound harsh and or =20= >> sterile? Even a higher end interface with better converters like =20 >> the Apogee stuff can sound brittle if you are hitting it too hard. =20= >> I've used a MOTU 2408 for several years now and its worked fine. =20 >> I've never been bothered by its sound or latency. >> Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 18:37:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A621518349B; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <1C1E95FC-B58C-42FC-98B7-6DF6A591DA30@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:37:05 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <7oux4C.A.1pC.YfmBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Actually, what dustbunny sez hits the mark way more than what I said in regards to the multiple A to D conversions being the root cause of your sound being crappy. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 19:33:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36BDC1834AE; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nwiNma6/RdXzj2fL5ff10biKOnOAr232MZTTC2OwTnM=; b=tURStm0tlJrsulUVjz+oVjzKwc7prmIA1TF1a6TzW592+GvGoBJohlcQazt1i+pDaj N2PaXBCHRUK5cw85Ucz8MrdMy9RygY9nK5lImrgMLMU8DHHCIHCaDuFX06GJ9GkIU7/B 5qYJn7W9DrdN5ym1gasN6kksdEhd3vXuAL2sI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YCZwaKmH8HljIkKMYwCiCsTz5c+nRhIvQ9wq2sApsN1z5EXbi8rdzQjV3ieRZioqNA NG4AQxkM5SKzTKG9ZSexj1fiArCT9Q2wJNJhOpJw2j5BVBDbC0Pkbm1X1m1Y+Yivr5Hx abiUzqGaTmSOz4Z+KTgfqv4tVsPVVQBHSscBY= Message-ID: <4D067523.40705@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:33:55 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? (still the interface thread, not the mobile recorder one) References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:33:58 +0000 (UTC) tEd ® KiLLiAn schrieb: > What are people out there using that sounds really, really good? First of all, as judging from the title of this post you seem to like uppercase, your best bet would be RME or MOTU ;) (going to serious mode now): I'm with Charles (that those kinds of experiments are really tricky to do with accuracy, and will require a level of blindness) and Bill (that the signal path in the analogue domain is the important part) on this topic. Still, using the inputs 3/4 (which I assume are line level ones) does even make more sense then using the micpre channels if you feed it with the signal from the VG99. And (as was already suggested), you could try the SPDIF route. Btw, does the MOTU have an analogue output level knob? If not, setting the level in the digital domain can also cause problems (when setting the attenuation to very high values). Apart from that, interfaces I personally have experience with: Presonus - have the Firebox (the small one), which is a great bang for the buck. Latency only goes down to relatively high levels, and never connect your outputs to some phantom-powered inputs (this may be true for the other interfaces as well, I won't try it). And it's got an analogue knob for the output level. TC Electronic - I have the Konnekt24D. Great sound quality (pres, converters, FX plugins), poor driver design. The combo of a) an analogue attenuator for the main outs, b) an assignable knob on the front and c) a button to switch between three different setups even in standalone mode are cool for live use. RME - only have the HDSP series devices (multiface/digiface), so no experience with the firewire stuff. The lowest latency I ever experienced. Sadly, one of their HDSP express cards failed just one month out of warranty and clearly due to a defect that already existed when it left the factory, yet they showed no sign of at least covering part of the costs for the repair. Since then, I hate the company. Marian - they once had a cool interface which was the first proper USB2 audio interface - which I got at a factory blowout at a great price. Unfortunately, no new drivers since XP 32bit...but the feature set is really cool (among the key benefits, the only halfrack interface I know of with four micpres). So basically, they all kinda suck. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 19:51:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 877291834AF; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mU3thSUjhuVtXO+8LzaetQhZ7hl0anXcGmMtFs211Sw=; b=p22MNXZC8f1vnVdx7kG6+wb+QCN5+I0aHaEgfD5KZNSVVF4WYGoxTX4hNvhKWG0vQn bUXdxRUcVxbKkDJdFZKFOzFDzWAhgUcXW/nqpioPu1bZZSKGMXaDLi3uASvlyCAcMPLC uumA1YRdH7wghs+0LD8iLcH53MRSAF0v7/OfQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IupH7e3hT+Cd6YEhzqULaCtbB+O0UHJzN+f8FuyKc3L6KWb9RUhBjUF1LQyeFieT8g xVGng0aG5YMW0wTbsZiHdHQCG/RbhAJL8FFlLCTIJjtPt3OPxEulQWf0UHv6h3xriQAr e12Uu71PMGMm52SB5MeA6/gAlGGz5KvkQ44T0= Message-ID: <4D067931.3080005@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:51:13 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? References: <1C1E95FC-B58C-42FC-98B7-6DF6A591DA30@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <1C1E95FC-B58C-42FC-98B7-6DF6A591DA30@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:51:17 +0000 (UTC) As a somewhat related topic, I just dedepublished an older article about that latency topic (still valid today): http://moinsound.wordpress.com/2010/12/13/about-latency/ Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 20:17:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBA5A1834AD; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 305 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:17:43 UTC Subject: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. Auto-Submitted: auto-generated From: peter.leinhos@farmersinsurance.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:07:08 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hons_100/Servers/FarmersInsurance(Release 8.5.1|September 28, 2009) at 12/13/2010 02:07:12 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:17:44 +0000 (UTC) I will be out of the office starting 12/13/2010 and will not return until 12/20/2010. 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Thank you.***** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 20:20:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1F331834A7; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UiX3SHmCMCNEilZu84qDBh36WBF3s4I/wHFDfp49AL4=; b=HNU5PlvTZW7RwI6ZVldnEKtFcCwdMeLWnSp59TymqNtDXXbaxN7QOA2/daIK9WVxx+ papt3nikoTp8mmi6gBXyC94ATDRZfyhj2Ae3a/gTRB4/+l9aFYp5sMN0FqSUy2hAuBeG 27LRTUDu/98N7Ib7wgB4NiJHZL5bEvdrPvDiE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Dzl4u0xy5n3OUGnNUk5E1JoS4xCLIBeOoAJxahdFRyQgEAgyDnxxO2PtFvsAuuWvY/ d1eGWt7eWqICghz3lMPzlgeCS++TkYUUIPJTE3AgBKLP0yssZgbpDhhlWk0dOpOFzMIS WyGOyqvsjOTq0ofUXXoHgUnEWmPAXuCUZ3ptg= Message-ID: <4D067FF7.7050709@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:20:07 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Drinks are on Leinhos Pete! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > I will be out of the office starting 12/13/2010 and will not return until > 12/20/2010. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 23:00:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D8051834A4; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=w4m0+czpDjxVEUn9p5CajHjHm/9v+SrAYAMjX7HVCXE=; b=CsWjgSfT1/8DFFFkcQ1cmf923RAlhXqbZciqo7ruTEja8mJyLwt/nT0YnWeUK5DcUO KOP8gPYbOtMsswL+zVvx0D8rkL2xA5aC1MsQbNhlz3Y81VwVNIQw/7lUOBWKnyWAYRTZ aaG4UqhflOZOpCI0qpBLEDcnafarB1ttKCilo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=l+7xn51XryNnCAnlwtalnant3mlNrC5H/9kxOeq+MaWNmnPpmE9OJFm/wq7bYany2Y ASZhBr0VXZtFYI4SAAOqKK1v6h1AJQlu2zSzdd+Lx00wZVxtA6oJynACfG4AsaAPL1r6 4cgPfqvchYaKayZiWu41UtBAmg5PO5RScqPsU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D067FF7.7050709@gmail.com> References: <4D067FF7.7050709@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:00:56 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. From: "^|>^m" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367fb22b42c781049752ad36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:00:58 +0000 (UTC) --0016367fb22b42c781049752ad36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For now everyone with audio issues should contact Greg Bouffard @ 323 932 3793 On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Drinks are on Leinhos Pete! > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > I will be out of the office starting 12/13/2010 and will not return until >> 12/20/2010. >> > > --0016367fb22b42c781049752ad36 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For now everyone with audio issues should contact=A0Greg Bouffard=A0@ 323 9= 32 3793

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:20 PM, = Daryl Shawn <d= arylshawn@gmail.com> wrote:
Drinks are on Leinhos Pete!

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com<= /a>

--0016367fb22b42c781049752ad36-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 23:05:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08D561834AA; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:05:48 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3ebe2421-2399-4ff2-b7fc-b50141a8591b_" X-Originating-IP: [170.104.174.208] From: Jeremy devros To: Subject: RE: Fripper Gear Trivia Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:00:47 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20101208024909.3710418350C@hemlock.violacea.com> <16E5415A-7448-4C42-98F3-0B20F6BFE53F@me.com> <8BB3F9AC-F9B9-43F7-BD58-524FB9B0E173@frontier.com> <8CD654208CFEB7D-13B4-5843@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2010 23:00:47.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[947033A0:01CB9B19] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:05:48 +0000 (UTC) --_3ebe2421-2399-4ff2-b7fc-b50141a8591b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some people just can't get enough of Fripp=2C huh? :) I can make up an answer but I really don't recall --it was 30+ years ago a= nd I was in college ( read: probably high) J.D.=20 Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: andy@1800dialword.com Date: Fri=2C 10 Dec 2010 16:11:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Dont leave us in suspense=2C what was the answer????!!! Lemon or milk??? Andy Owens1-800-AndyOwensSent from my iPhoneSo the typing might not be my b= est! On Dec 10=2C 2010=2C at 3:11 PM=2C "Jeremy devros" = wrote: An anecdote: A friend of mine ran into him one time (somewhere NOT a music = venue) and being in awe -this was in the late '70s-blurted out the first th= ing to come to his mind: "Mr. Fripp=2C do you like lemon or milk with your = tea?" He said Fripp chatted with him for about 15 minutes about tea.=20 J..D..Devros=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia From: pjbmhb@aol.com Date: Wed=2C 8 Dec 2010 17:54:42 -0500 Fripp actually has a great sense of humor=2C you just have to dig a bit. It= 's there=2C below the surface=2C kind of like a tuber. PJ -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Wed=2C Dec 8=2C 2010 3:06 am Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia On Dec 7=2C 2010=2C at 9:35 PM=2C Kenn Lowy wrote: > He does allow pictures now. The announcement that was made before =20 > the concert was "no cameras with flash". He's mellowed a bit. > I know he's revered here=2C but (I have to confess)=2C he comes off as a =20 complete douche nozzle in just about every interview with him I've read. Jeff =20 =20 = --_3ebe2421-2399-4ff2-b7fc-b50141a8591b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some people just can't get enough of Fripp=2C huh? =3B :)
I can make= up an answer but I really don't recall =3B --it was 30+ years ago and = I was in college ( read: probably high)
J.D.

Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia
From: andy@1800dialword.com
Dat= e: Fri=2C 10 Dec 2010 16:11:01 -0500
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com

Dont leave us in suspense=2C what was the answer????!!! Le= mon or milk???

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my= iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!

<= /div>
An anecdote: A friend of mine ran into him one time (somewhere NOT a music = venue) and being in awe -this was in the late '70s-blurted out the first th= ing to come to his mind: "Mr. Fripp=2C do you like lemon or milk with your = tea?" He said Fripp chatted with him for about 15 minutes about tea.
J..D..Devros

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: F= ripper Gear Trivia
From: pjbmhb@aol.com
Date: Wed=2C 8 Dec 2010 17= :54:42 -0500

Fripp a= ctually has a great sense of humor=2C you just have to dig a bit. It's ther= e=2C below the surface=2C kind of like a tuber.

3D":-)"PJ



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Shirkey <=3Bjcshirke@= frontier.com>=3B
To: Loopers-Delight <=3BLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=3B
Sent: Wed=2C Dec 8=2C 2010 3:06 am
Subject: Re: Fripper Gear Trivia


On Dec 7=2C 2010=2C at 9:35 PM=2C Kenn Lowy wrote:

>=3B He does allow pictures now. The announcement that was made before =20
>=3B the concert was "no cameras with flash". He's mellowed a bit.
>=3B

I know he's revered here=2C but (I have to confess)=2C he comes off as a =20
complete douche nozzle in just about every interview with him I've read.

Jeff
=20
=20
= --_3ebe2421-2399-4ff2-b7fc-b50141a8591b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 23:35:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B57881834A5; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. References: <4D067FF7.7050709@gmail.com> Thread-topic: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. Thread-index: AcubHlgFl9/VtV0/TvOwggIvqfSqqA== From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-16-443430431"; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:34:01 -0500 To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2010 23:35:38.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[727ED530:01CB9B1E] Resent-Message-ID: <8-3RUC.A.o0G.L3qBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:35:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-16-443430431 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well heck, we all have audio issues, lets all call Greg!!! Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:01 PM, "^|>^m" wrote: > For now everyone with audio issues should contact Greg Bouffard @ 323 932 3= 793 >=20 > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote:= > Drinks are on Leinhos Pete! >=20 > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com >=20 >=20 > I will be out of the office starting 12/13/2010 and will not return until= > 12/20/2010. >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-16-443430431 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Well heck, we all have audio issues, lets all call Greg!!!

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!


On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:01 PM, "^|>^m" <will.it.go.round@gmail.com> wrote:

For now everyone with audio issues should contact Greg Bouffard @ 323 932 3793

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Daryl Shawn <darylshawn@gmail.com> wrote:
Drinks are on Leinhos Pete!

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com


I will be out of the office starting  12/13/2010 and will not return until
12/20/2010.


--Apple-Mail-16-443430431-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 23:39:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A86CB1834A4; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DSa6QRwW/hAOTh7H4DMH6E7ShWqIyueuQw9CSsap2as=; b=HhjYa8P1ROYF/QjHo1vx709cnGc6Z6UDkfKseXfYRDSNtCKqgGaY3IKB26hqObeH2c VDJIYp3Gll08N61lH1EOxO7pp0Iq6qZXm0yFS52bfYKdqte3r6jtblsnDDQUN3GUdYH6 WLMCn0fXbmWbHF26hP63EYh70qOFBQKH52GEg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hYFAkRIvIEkRudYLUUPKpbt2UuqTPbERQOpDFRIjhY0LaAwq7C3PYrEJFJp5kenixJ YXjyqZQZj/rdvLd1lzQaIQCjQUZCDeLiucDEkw1d5BLGJH2mNvsYekekDLu5NHyy69mH a7AUSDnt4Kr+b7hzS1KCip6xfTJnCQtSsYaZA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:39:49 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b06f54557904975338ad Resent-Message-ID: <89HT0D.A.JHH.H7qBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:39:51 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5b06f54557904975338ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I might get shot here but i hated the Motu ultra lite,i bought because of all the hype of having an internal digital mixer with FX and all, but somehow it stopped me from concetrating on music,dont know what software u are using but my main problem with it was the whole midi syncing with mobius,very unreliable when sending midi note messages to trigger all the advance midi comands,i spent so much time calling the company about this issues and i finally went back to the cheap presonus firebox which always worked very reliable in that department! i do have to say thought that the preamps on the firebox are not the best sounding so i upgraded to an RME FW 400 and i m happy,it is expensive,but playing acoustic guitar i need a cristal clear sound and this baby provides it. cheers Luis On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 2:37 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wr= ote: > Hi all! > > I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a number of month= s > now while I explore the world of software looping, Max MSP and other > software audio processing possibilities. > > What are people out there using that sounds really, really good? > > I can't help but feel that the MOTU I've got is sucking something vital o= ut > of my sound - though it comes very highly recommended. > > It also has enough extra inputs and outputs to make it quite useful and > flexible as a stand-alone rackmount mixer. > > But utility aside, though I can't quite put my finger on it, the sound > doesn't ring my bell. > > I'm just looking for other options and suggestions. > > The MOTU was loaned to me on indefinite terms by a good friend. > > I was thinking about buying one (or some other unit) for myself and > returning it to its owner. > > Keeping in mind that I am strictly in the Apple/Mac computer dominion and > prefer FireWire connectivity, what do people suggest? > > Best, > > Ted Killian > > --001636c5b06f54557904975338ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I might get shot here but i hated the Motu ultra lite,i bought because of a= ll the hype of having an internal digital mixer with FX and all, but someho= w it stopped me from concetrating on music,dont know what software u are us= ing but my main problem with it was the whole midi syncing with mobius,very= unreliable when sending midi note messages to trigger all the advance midi= comands,i spent so much time calling the company about this issues and i f= inally went back to the cheap presonus firebox which always worked very rel= iable in that department!
i do have to say thought that the preamps on the firebox are not the best s= ounding so i upgraded to an RME FW 400 and i m happy,it is expensive,but pl= aying acoustic guitar i need a cristal clear sound and this baby provides i= t.
cheers
Luis

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 2:= 37 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Hi all!

I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a number of months = now while I explore the world of software looping, Max MSP and other softwa= re audio processing possibilities.

What are people out there using that sounds really, really good?

I can't help but feel that the MOTU I've got is sucking something v= ital out of my sound - though it comes very highly recommended.

It also has enough extra inputs and outputs to make it quite useful and fle= xible as a stand-alone rackmount mixer.

But utility aside, though I can't quite put my finger on it, the sound = doesn't ring my bell.

I'm just looking for other options and suggestions.

The MOTU was loaned to me on indefinite terms by a good friend.

I was thinking about buying one (or some other unit) for myself and returni= ng it to its owner.

Keeping in mind that I am strictly in the Apple/Mac computer dominion and p= refer FireWire connectivity, what do people suggest?

Best,

Ted Killian


--001636c5b06f54557904975338ad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 23:41:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE04B1834A8; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8N1oQBz5bfdnlReF3JaIWeeVEbjiWDhtARe5EgPFIGs=; b=aM7kVm0J7WMJqH6OqHLxFj7cMW0rsUrwDEBxF3Xsc0A3lFzBW3IWbON0BjdrXtSqLx EMn4en898AtuqDxSHkqQI0JncvxDeJu72pj8cd/jBMLhMvt+PlpKajWM2NDWHDQA0Mrf IK0EKprbBBIKnZEA9OSGkj8VGzQPGIdKXVUxI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=njlGNZt+hJZ8f5nfECC1yy5NOO82Qi6JXUkMVCtQn7TDYgCB4+XkHonKrWiFT6N1hS qD+7RdzTyTCU15CFcZ3ZtB5HIAqHmWDLEcBByW3ftBom5gnMXYXJLsyW86IfRumJkhPf 44wJRVDsaFg/MsJr+l/7ypO2myp68I9mtxCQA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D064093.30800@tiscali.co.uk> References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> <4D06305A.20608@tiscali.co.uk> <4D064093.30800@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:41:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF pocket recorders ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c923e72865300497533d7c Resent-Message-ID: <_GQG3C.A.WQH.X8qBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:41:12 +0000 (UTC) --001636c923e72865300497533d7c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 edirol R09 rocks! Luis On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:49 PM, andy butler wrote: > Gareth Whittock wrote: > >> That's interesting. >> I'll check this out Andy. I've read that the H2 isn't that hot >> fidelity-wise. >> > > Apart from the onboard mics it's noticeably not that good audio wise > in everything it does. > > If you want to use the line I/P on the H4n I'd suggest checking > out the headroom. The H2 distorts at anything over -10dB, which > isn't any kind of known standard ( usually a -10dB input would > be -10dB nominal, with a bit of headroom, but -10dB > isn't used these days anyway). In short, anything you put into it will > distort without an attenuator. > > There's a great random element to how Zoom gear turns out it seems. > > > > andy > > --001636c923e72865300497533d7c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable edirol R09 rocks!
Luis

On Mon, Dec 13,= 2010 at 4:49 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Gareth Whittock wrote:
That's interesting.
I'll check this out Andy. I've read that the H2 isn't that hot = fidelity-wise.

Apart from the onboard mics it's noticeably not that good audio wise in everything it does.

If you want to use the line I/P on the H4n I'd suggest checking
out the headroom. The H2 distorts at anything over -10dB, which
isn't any kind of known standard ( usually a -10dB input would
be -10dB nominal, with a bit of headroom, but -10dB
isn't used these days anyway). =A0In short, anything you put into it wi= ll distort without an attenuator.

There's a great random element to how Zoom gear turns out it seems.
=


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--001636c923e72865300497533d7c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 13 23:41:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AA171834A3; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=qMYpuiTbS8EN6YysaWwDNqQ7l5py6EGv31Zx98rmSew=; b=VXroMO9/ekoxr6nV46D2QrvNG47hQyeyyV7IdxBYgrCdDVyQ2oamWuvVDyZpGHHlT9 C4a4+wDsoKljUa0UNYBrhhainOFs1yMks/NX/2VNeO5Rm8+jl8SuSnbnrA6YrSasOE4q miVGYXFL5v4/cGzGPffbqjumGWq7gFRvkl7Lk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=CWIz8Mtm3G0xaUfB2eAQGQeG4vBKqWrlVW7LqMDBLQSS1yo3JN25NhYOEJ/DKRrtKE sABqm7m1D5D3rij+46CqmAlh0mP2b4eNV3cXjh3llmy+ymF8AT3O9xezL/NIi+baX6zR MSzgzKaQT5r/Tgu+9FR+Gvk4qocrozvKyoMmc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> From: todd reynolds Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:41:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5ae0113f9a50497533f37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:41:44 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5ae0113f9a50497533f37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I concur on the RME totally. I also use the midi implementation to drive all sorts of things and take internal triggers for looping. It's worked well for me. and sounds clear as a bell. All the best, Todd On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > I might get shot here but i hated the Motu ultra lite,i bought because of > all the hype of having an internal digital mixer with FX and all, but > somehow it stopped me from concetrating on music,dont know what software = u > are using but my main problem with it was the whole midi syncing with > mobius,very unreliable when sending midi note messages to trigger all the > advance midi comands,i spent so much time calling the company about this > issues and i finally went back to the cheap presonus firebox which always > worked very reliable in that department! > i do have to say thought that the preamps on the firebox are not the best > sounding so i upgraded to an RME FW 400 and i m happy,it is expensive,but > playing acoustic guitar i need a cristal clear sound and this baby provid= es > it. > cheers > Luis > > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 2:37 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn = wrote: > >> Hi all! >> >> I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a number of mont= hs >> now while I explore the world of software looping, Max MSP and other >> software audio processing possibilities. >> >> What are people out there using that sounds really, really good? >> >> I can't help but feel that the MOTU I've got is sucking something vital >> out of my sound - though it comes very highly recommended. >> >> It also has enough extra inputs and outputs to make it quite useful and >> flexible as a stand-alone rackmount mixer. >> >> But utility aside, though I can't quite put my finger on it, the sound >> doesn't ring my bell. >> >> I'm just looking for other options and suggestions. >> >> The MOTU was loaned to me on indefinite terms by a good friend. >> >> I was thinking about buying one (or some other unit) for myself and >> returning it to its owner. >> >> Keeping in mind that I am strictly in the Apple/Mac computer dominion an= d >> prefer FireWire connectivity, what do people suggest? >> >> Best, >> >> Ted Killian >> >> > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 In C Remixed now released on iTunes and Amazon! :: Read about it here.= .. http://bit.ly/3Pm4g3 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds --001636c5ae0113f9a50497533f37 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I concur on the RME totally. =A0I also use the midi implementation to drive= all sorts of things and take internal triggers for looping. =A0It's wo= rked well for me. and sounds clear as a bell.=A0

All the= best, Todd

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Louie Angul= o <loui= e.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
I might get shot here but i hated the Motu ultra lite,i bought because of a= ll the hype of having an internal digital mixer with FX and all, but someho= w it stopped me from concetrating on music,dont know what software u are us= ing but my main problem with it was the whole midi syncing with mobius,very= unreliable when sending midi note messages to trigger all the advance midi= comands,i spent so much time calling the company about this issues and i f= inally went back to the cheap presonus firebox which always worked very rel= iable in that department!
i do have to say thought that the preamps on the firebox are not the best s= ounding so i upgraded to an RME FW 400 and i m happy,it is expensive,but pl= aying acoustic guitar i need a cristal clear sound and this baby provides i= t.
cheers
Luis


On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 2:37 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn = <tedkillian@= charter.net> wrote:
Hi all!

I have been getting by on a borrowed MOTU Ultralite for a number of months = now while I explore the world of software looping, Max MSP and other softwa= re audio processing possibilities.

What are people out there using that sounds really, really good?

I can't help but feel that the MOTU I've got is sucking something v= ital out of my sound - though it comes very highly recommended.

It also has enough extra inputs and outputs to make it quite useful and fle= xible as a stand-alone rackmount mixer.

But utility aside, though I can't quite put my finger on it, the sound = doesn't ring my bell.

I'm just looking for other options and suggestions.

The MOTU was loaned to me on indefinite terms by a good friend.

I was thinking about buying one (or some other unit) for myself and returni= ng it to its owner.

Keeping in mind that I am strictly in the Apple/Mac computer dominion and p= refer FireWire connectivity, what do people suggest?

Best,

Ted Killian





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--001636c5ae0113f9a50497533f37-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 00:03:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC367183477; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 371271.27718.bm@omp1022.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1292285008; bh=pp4UxWIXJ/QmdwyLrWHIZGTkIwoTEN6+Nt3AcpHAY/w=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mn/gsWDwxupkGPKbKmfMKazlp6GwQBXQQJ7Y4AIIfO9o1PO1xeWkuUDzUSWC7ORRAO40iD2KSl06Bq1s0Q2UwNLwSx2QBKHcj4ZaTVmWfrSY2oPU+mgq3r/LX3da3ZhemuFMe+IYqWIyWoSR0VBBHHXo3KWQLyQ7M1W8SfAwIMg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PAjhg1qSOnQ5vG6mXPgUS/8Wvt5pGOkRXOcBcLEY3mu183clXrAb6oWVH3SZIyrh4gzuJXp3vI5E4U0vLLTlu5FiDKNv/EO3L2rYj/r2RzFgR7V6/2gXzmLFrmQOay22OJ8ki0Bc7M3YL6FeRq9n/IdCMxV2OVZgq52pyr+zWsI=; Message-ID: <171883.59377.qm@web27703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: LQMox0kVM1lOMXEXvp.YJD9ziV9sIq7kf.7z8SfCNPD2egg HoRU46nq22LTnIKPApcG9SeHrUeW596DKnlCaKtSmiSSH8L8fHzU23JYwpPV XoJI_c00Wxjo2K6OQ5yK6zdFHgye90eWZepyH3Nf.eoFG6N2ZxpHkfObaOIS 1294v3waArdx4daAM1tl1l1UPabQrk8ULVynRgT6AAqqD8k2EZHyyUhbWaaB CaM3Jr34K7P89jvQpCA2t6SmN3If79nu0gIfjIO_YtPTkUh7G_KNfMFfYVSs wNcOF8zeQozkqnzSXmZfPZAp3gUTkDK6xBzGrpe1s X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <4D067FF7.7050709@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:03:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1949171527-1292285007=:59377" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:03:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-1949171527-1292285007=:59377 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Given that Peter Leinhos does seem to be out of the office a fair bit, I vo= te we =0A*all* change our "out of office/away from email" messages to =0A= =0A"I'm with Pete"=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Andy= Owens =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A= Sent: Mon, 13 December, 2010 23:34:01=0ASubject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out = of the office.=0A=0A=0AWell heck, we all have audio issues, lets all call G= reg!!!=0A=0AAndy Owens=0A1-800-AndyOwens=0ASent from my iPhone=0ASo the typ= ing might not be my best!=0A=0A=0AOn Dec 13, 2010, at 6:01 PM, "^|>^m" wrote:=0A=0A=0AFor now everyone with audio issues = should contact Greg Bouffard @ 323 932 3793=0A>=0A>=0A>On Mon, Dec 13, 2010= at 1:20 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote:=0A>=0A>Drinks are on= Leinhos Pete!=0A>>=0A>>Daryl Shawn=0A>>www.swanwelder.com=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>= =0A>>I will be out of the office starting 12/13/2010 and will not return u= ntil=0A>>>12/20/2010.=0A>>>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A --0-1949171527-1292285007=:59377 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Given that Peter Leinhos does seem to be out of th= e office a fair bit, I vote we *all* change our "out of office/away from em= ail" messages to 

"I'm with Pete"

From: Andy Owens <andy@1800dialword.c= om>
To: Loopers-Deli= ght@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, 13 December, 2010 23:34:01
Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office.

Well heck, we all have audio issues, lets all call Greg!!!

Andy Owens1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not= be my best!


On Dec 13, 2010, at 6= :01 PM, "^|>^m" <= will.it.go.round@gmail.com> wrote:

For now everyone with audio issues should contact&nbs= p;Greg Bouffard @ 323 932 3793

On Mo= n, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Daryl Shawn <dary= lshawn@gmail.com> wrote:
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= =0A=0A=0A=0A --0-1949171527-1292285007=:59377-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 00:23:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F33A18348E; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:23:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <7954CFCC4CD74E738F819EBF7D8D1434@boo6e771026609> <8CD690951D387E6-165C-7738@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CD690951D387E6-165C-7738@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: Brand New Member Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:23:28 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:23:46 +0000 (UTC)  Both pieces are very cool, especially the second one. Welcome to LD! Hi ! i'm booster from france and just joined this newsletter as an introduction, let me show you two videos i made recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6G1nK3BJlM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDR_N68lm9U i use 4 echoplex in sync, playing guitar bass drums and rhodes. hope you appreciate boost From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 01:21:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30E9A18349C; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 01:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pgPLkM9-PU6RL641GhcA:9 a=6RIGv4pxaxQAxom2hUlcgK5zX3IA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: <2D44A190-50DB-4F75-A8CC-1858DA412EE6@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7954CFCC4CD74E738F819EBF7D8D1434@boo6e771026609> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Brand New Member X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:21:44 -0800 References: <7954CFCC4CD74E738F819EBF7D8D1434@boo6e771026609> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <4z-jFC.A.dkE.tasBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 01:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Enjoyed both of those. Thanks. Welcome to the club. On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:40 AM, boost wrote: > Hi ! > i'm booster from france and just joined this newsletter > as an introduction, let me show you two videos i made recently: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6G1nK3BJlM > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDR_N68lm9U > i use 4 echoplex in sync, playing guitar bass drums and rhodes. > hope you appreciate > boost From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 01:22:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B6D61834A0; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 01:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ThAZj_Kn5INizsYaq-MA:9 a=dealEaGfFBbDR3jQS-0812Z4YwEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: <358319D2-DFAC-4D42-9680-6488D4E43468@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Stuff that Works Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:22:27 -0800 References: <92085E11-B23E-40A6-8F7B-03BA1075CC8B@baymoon.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 01:22:29 +0000 (UTC) I know the feeling. On Dec 13, 2010, at 5:46 AM, Andy Owens wrote: > Ya'll ever heard that Guy Clark song, Stuff that Works? It's a > good'en. > > With all this talk of stuff that dont work, I'm so glad I havent > gone the laptop route yet!! My little LP1 and midibuddy are just > plugging right along!!!!!! > > Andy Owens > 1-800-AndyOwens > Sent from my iPhone > So the typing might not be my best! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 03:05:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D01C18349E; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 03:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RTSrhZVI1SkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=pJu9f-9l5qF-x9D7VQgA:9 a=FQDACX7OYuuaAu4Bl-MA:7 a=Eyrjto5HY9B_Ia9kHCC0TC-GIbcA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=DzohvgRV5absjNo_:21 a=N0BZQ-pkLWIXmhAG:21 Message-Id: <393B37F5-4D6F-4160-A17E-5B19695C0639@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:05:24 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 03:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Dustbunnies, Bill, Rainer, Todd, et al, Yes, the VG99 was the sole sound source on that particular "testing" =20 occasion. But my ultimate plan is to combine several signal sources: VG, GR, and =20= the processed output of my guitar's own magnetic pickups (and some =20 other hardware FX) and get them all into the computer together. I was just using the VG that day because it's output is line-level and =20= felt it would offer a fairly consistent audio source for comparison. Yes I know about the SPDIF digital connection I could have used. But given that my plan/hope is eventually to mix at least 3 stereo =20 sound sources into the MOTU (or other interface) it would really tell =20= me nothing particularly useful to have used only the SPDIF digital =20 input alone in my test since I cannot use SPDIF on all of them. I have concerns for the audio quality of all of the other line-level =20 signals I will be inputting. As I said, I was "doing sort of a "scientific" A/B test" . . . not =20 perfect, but an honest comparison. Yes I know about impedance matching, I have had a fairly complicated =20 rig for more years than I care to rattle on about here and have sailed =20= those waters going and coming enough to know as much about it as =20 anybody here does (I'd like to think). What I was describing was this: After adjusting everything (all gain =20 levels, etc.) to get the very best result that could be had (to the =20 best of my ability or knowledge) with the VG and MOTU it sounded =20 pretty okay . . . and if I had just stopped right then and had been =20 satisfied . . . then we might not even be having this conversation. But I didn't, after that I thought I'd just test it and give the =20 straight VG signal a listen through the same speakers to compare. As I stated, the difference was quite significant. I may be able to live with this if only my looping and related FX are =20= being done by the computer. Even various hardware loopers (my old EDP included) didn't reproduce =20 "perfect" audio quality. But I was really hoping NOT to have to patch the laptop into the FX =20 send and return of a line mixer like I did my old EDPs. I was hoping I could do enough of my signal processing (for all =20 signals) in the MacBook to have most of the processing and all of the =20= mixing occur there as well. I want to lessen my stage "footprint" and gear schleppage." What I am finding is that I am enough of a guitar audio "tone snob" =20 that I may not be able to do it with the MOTU (unless I plop down =20 $1200-$1500 USD for a super, duper, ultra, bigger better interface =20 than I have already in the loaner Ultralite). That extra scratch paid in hope of a unknown/possible tonal =20 improvement is a big budgetary stretch for me right now. I want this to happen. I sold my EDPs in September, more or less burning my bridges and =20 forcing my own hand to move in this direction. There is very little chance of turning back now. But, unless I can find some satisfying and affordable way of solving =20 this little hiccup I am sort of stuck on it. I know (or believe) that lots of you out there are getting satisfying =20= guitar tones out of a computer, not just crazy creative FX and =20 looping, but good tone as well. It may not happen all of the time, but it does happen. The looping and crazy FX are sort of the easy part in my book. I have made a number of unhappy gear purchases of late. I am trying to avoid another - and the subsequent loss of money and =20 time for no particular good reason. I had hoped to buy a new Ultralite of my own and return the borrowed =20 one to it's owner. Then I considered an Apogee duet for a while, with supposedly better =20 preamps and better A/D converters (but only a pair of them). That would mean I would still need my rackmount line-mixer outboard of =20= all that to combine all those extra signals before it entered the =20 computer. That doesn't seem to make any sense . . . but I know it would work and =20= yield the tone I am after. It just doesn't lessen my gear load any. Just replacing the EDPs and a couple of other rack FX with a laptop =20 merely complicates things all the more when it comes to "playing =20 out" (live gigging) - especially if I wind up keeping a mixer and half =20= a dozen other FX pieces and controllers just to make it all work. I am getting more and more to the point that I wish I'd stayed with =20 what I had in September. I knew how it worked, knew how to program it and knew how to use it. Every step I take now on this road I find 5 new hidden ones ahead that =20= I am going to have to get through before further progress can be made. This is very, very unsatisfying. I just want to get back to playing ASAP. Sincere best regards, Ted On Dec 13, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Dustbunnies wrote: > On 12/14/10 12:45 AM, "tEd =AE KiLLiAn" = wrote: >> >> I played my Gibson and VG99 combination into the MOTU.... [*snip*] >> >> ...I was only using a pair of the regular line-level inputs on >> the back. > > Ted, > > Is the 99 your sole sound source here? If so, don't neglect the =20 > Digital > I/O! > > The VG-99 is, of course, a digital sound source. What you're now =20 > doing is > taking that digital signal, then running it through the VG's onboard =20= > DAC's > to turn it into an analog signal then digitizing it all over again =20 > when you > run it into the MOTU's ADC. All this is just to get a digital =20 > signal into > your computer. > > Why? > > Instead, see what happens if you keep everything digital going into =20= > the > computer. Try running the S/PDIF Output from the VG directly into =20 > your > laptop, or even the USB Out. I've gotten good results using S/PDIF =20= > (not as > much so with the USB -- it "felt" a little laggier -- although that =20= > could > merely be a rote psychological effect, since I almost expected =20 > something > like that). In fact, the Digital I/O is why I grabbed my AudioFire2 =20= > in the > first place. > > (aside: this was before I realized that the input on the Macbook can =20= > also > accept Optical S/PDIF directly; so I could've cheaped out on a $30 > Coax-to-Optical converter rather than a $200 interface. Still, I =20 > needed a > small 2-channel DAC for the output, and it does a great job there.) > > As it stands, you're putting your signal through an extra digital ]--=20= > >analog > ]-->digital conversion that doesn't necessarily need to be there. =20 > It's > obvious you don't like the sound that the MOTU interface is =20 > imparting on the > signal, so try removing that conversion and going direct digital =20 > into the > computer. > > Even if you don't like the idea of remaining in the digital domain, it > should, at the very least, tell you if your problem is with the =20 > MOTU's Input > conversion or if the difficulty is with the interface's outputs. =20 > Should > help troubleshoot the exact source of your frustration. > > --m. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 03:42:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7F7F18349E; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 03:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 03:42:50 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_730dda01-f5a8-41fc-b929-8e386a4a6987_" X-Originating-IP: [211.31.225.227] From: liam skeates-udy To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 03:37:49 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2010 03:37:49.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[47901BF0:01CB9B40] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 03:42:50 +0000 (UTC) --_730dda01-f5a8-41fc-b929-8e386a4a6987_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe me thanks=2C i can't handle all the messages in my inboxcheers = = --_730dda01-f5a8-41fc-b929-8e386a4a6987_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe me thanks=2C i can't handle all the messages in my inbox
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= --_730dda01-f5a8-41fc-b929-8e386a4a6987_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 07:06:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4118818349A; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=k7wvccQVIRpjLORsIwiS4aUXC1X5ezrsWErqx/aEBQE=; b=ea0nUO76d+CfdLkZKeq88CVsaA+fssnJZu3+g7HteR067dPcSP/rl2XGk7c7JUatOO pqbnn9cjfmAJamifeTbSseGWCeh4jKZVS7DX1Z8+0z+4AZwyiQY6o1itApcTn7kwrIGQ AQI4eNOs3rPU2SXekFlqadA9HO343rbsZozM8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=J7S068ZOO5jwdz0YPUPxiW3FdrWjm0SJQJJI6dXAkI5MM/x93saZ1MlBvfj1WD6Omt EJqcWABfkanLOJmg+LdpwIVlVj/gD4n+lQczhk23ymGlpS9GzjgIjiirXQmTMklorYE4 F7lJBekcQnaf/PJ+cVa6pY2iJ2GSG+tCcUWos= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <393B37F5-4D6F-4160-A17E-5B19695C0639@charter.net> References: <393B37F5-4D6F-4160-A17E-5B19695C0639@charter.net> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:06:09 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c17FuNUcRrjqKyj4y9Pom5Vd04g Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549e0bbc59f70497597550 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:06:32 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30549e0bbc59f70497597550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted, Not that I know anything about soundcards, Ive always had my eye on the MOT= U traveller its basically a mixer AND sound card is it not?, with a mix of digital and analog ins.. I can speak for the audio quality however... Now that Im into laptop more than ever these days, its something I know I need to start taking seriously, its just that my crappy Ozone, gives me a mini keyboard and 8 knobs into the bargain. Anyway, any audiophiles care to comment on the traveler sound? mark ps... did I already ask you this.. did you already sell your boss hex effects? I asked you right... befuddled brain.. work goddammit! On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 4:05 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wr= ote: > Dustbunnies, Bill, Rainer, Todd, et al, > > Yes, the VG99 was the sole sound source on that particular "testing" > occasion. > > But my ultimate plan is to combine several signal sources: VG, GR, and th= e > processed output of my guitar's own magnetic pickups (and some other > hardware FX) and get them all into the computer together. > > I was just using the VG that day because it's output is line-level and fe= lt > it would offer a fairly consistent audio source for comparison. > > Yes I know about the SPDIF digital connection I could have used. > > But given that my plan/hope is eventually to mix at least 3 stereo sound > sources into the MOTU (or other interface) it would really tell me nothin= g > particularly useful to have used only the SPDIF digital input alone in my > test since I cannot use SPDIF on all of them. > > I have concerns for the audio quality of all of the other line-level > signals I will be inputting. > > As I said, I was "doing sort of a "scientific" A/B test" . . . not perfec= t, > but an honest comparison. > > Yes I know about impedance matching, I have had a fairly complicated rig > for more years than I care to rattle on about here and have sailed those > waters going and coming enough to know as much about it as anybody here d= oes > (I'd like to think). > > What I was describing was this: After adjusting everything (all gain > levels, etc.) to get the very best result that could be had (to the best = of > my ability or knowledge) with the VG and MOTU it sounded pretty okay . . = . > and if I had just stopped right then and had been satisfied . . . then we > might not even be having this conversation. > > But I didn't, after that I thought I'd just test it and give the straight > VG signal a listen through the same speakers to compare. > > As I stated, the difference was quite significant. > > I may be able to live with this if only my looping and related FX are bei= ng > done by the computer. > > Even various hardware loopers (my old EDP included) didn't reproduce > "perfect" audio quality. > > But I was really hoping NOT to have to patch the laptop into the FX send > and return of a line mixer like I did my old EDPs. > > I was hoping I could do enough of my signal processing (for all signals) = in > the MacBook to have most of the processing and all of the mixing occur th= ere > as well. > > I want to lessen my stage "footprint" and gear schleppage." > > What I am finding is that I am enough of a guitar audio "tone snob" that = I > may not be able to do it with the MOTU (unless I plop down $1200-$1500 US= D > for a super, duper, ultra, bigger better interface than I have already in > the loaner Ultralite). > > That extra scratch paid in hope of a unknown/possible tonal improvement i= s > a big budgetary stretch for me right now. > > I want this to happen. > > I sold my EDPs in September, more or less burning my bridges and forcing = my > own hand to move in this direction. > > There is very little chance of turning back now. > > But, unless I can find some satisfying and affordable way of solving this > little hiccup I am sort of stuck on it. > > I know (or believe) that lots of you out there are getting satisfying > guitar tones out of a computer, not just crazy creative FX and looping, b= ut > good tone as well. > > It may not happen all of the time, but it does happen. > > The looping and crazy FX are sort of the easy part in my book. > > I have made a number of unhappy gear purchases of late. > > I am trying to avoid another - and the subsequent loss of money and time > for no particular good reason. > > I had hoped to buy a new Ultralite of my own and return the borrowed one = to > it's owner. > > Then I considered an Apogee duet for a while, with supposedly better > preamps and better A/D converters (but only a pair of them). > > That would mean I would still need my rackmount line-mixer outboard of al= l > that to combine all those extra signals before it entered the computer. > > That doesn't seem to make any sense . . . but I know it would work and > yield the tone I am after. > > It just doesn't lessen my gear load any. > > Just replacing the EDPs and a couple of other rack FX with a laptop merel= y > complicates things all the more when it comes to "playing out" (live > gigging) - especially if I wind up keeping a mixer and half a dozen other= FX > pieces and controllers just to make it all work. > > I am getting more and more to the point that I wish I'd stayed with what = I > had in September. > > I knew how it worked, knew how to program it and knew how to use it. > > Every step I take now on this road I find 5 new hidden ones ahead that I = am > going to have to get through before further progress can be made. > > This is very, very unsatisfying. > > I just want to get back to playing ASAP. > > Sincere best regards, > > Ted > > On Dec 13, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Dustbunnies wrote: > > On 12/14/10 12:45 AM, "tEd =AE KiLLiAn" wrote: >> >>> >>> I played my Gibson and VG99 combination into the MOTU.... [*snip*] >>> >>> ...I was only using a pair of the regular line-level inputs on >>> the back. >>> >> >> Ted, >> >> Is the 99 your sole sound source here? If so, don't neglect the Digital >> I/O! >> >> The VG-99 is, of course, a digital sound source. What you're now doing = is >> taking that digital signal, then running it through the VG's onboard DAC= 's >> to turn it into an analog signal then digitizing it all over again when >> you >> run it into the MOTU's ADC. All this is just to get a digital signal in= to >> your computer. >> >> Why? >> >> Instead, see what happens if you keep everything digital going into the >> computer. Try running the S/PDIF Output from the VG directly into your >> laptop, or even the USB Out. I've gotten good results using S/PDIF (not >> as >> much so with the USB -- it "felt" a little laggier -- although that coul= d >> merely be a rote psychological effect, since I almost expected something >> like that). In fact, the Digital I/O is why I grabbed my AudioFire2 in >> the >> first place. >> >> (aside: this was before I realized that the input on the Macbook can als= o >> accept Optical S/PDIF directly; so I could've cheaped out on a $30 >> Coax-to-Optical converter rather than a $200 interface. Still, I needed= a >> small 2-channel DAC for the output, and it does a great job there.) >> >> As it stands, you're putting your signal through an extra digital >> ]-->analog >> ]-->digital conversion that doesn't necessarily need to be there. It's >> obvious you don't like the sound that the MOTU interface is imparting on >> the >> signal, so try removing that conversion and going direct digital into th= e >> computer. >> >> Even if you don't like the idea of remaining in the digital domain, it >> should, at the very least, tell you if your problem is with the MOTU's >> Input >> conversion or if the difficulty is with the interface's outputs. Should >> help troubleshoot the exact source of your frustration. >> >> --m. >> >> > --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --20cf30549e0bbc59f70497597550 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted,
Not that I know anything about soundcards, Ive always had my eye on= the MOTU traveller its basically a mixer AND sound card is it not?, with a= mix of digital and analog ins.. I can speak for the audio quality however.= .. Now that Im into laptop more than ever these days, its something I know = I need to start taking seriously, its just that my crappy Ozone, gives me a= mini keyboard and 8 knobs into the bargain.

Anyway, any audiophiles care to comment on the traveler sound?

<= br>
mark

ps... did I already ask you this.. did you already sell = your boss hex effects? I asked you right... befuddled brain.. work goddammi= t!





On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 4:05= AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Dustbunnies, Bill= , Rainer, Todd, et al,

Yes, the VG99 was the sole sound source on that particular "testing&qu= ot; occasion.

But my ultimate plan is to combine several signal sources: VG, GR, and the = processed output of my guitar's own magnetic pickups (and some other ha= rdware FX) and get them all into the computer together.

I was just using the VG that day because it's output is line-level and = felt it would offer a fairly consistent audio source for comparison.

Yes I know about the SPDIF digital connection I could have used.

But given that my plan/hope is eventually to mix at least 3 stereo sound so= urces into the MOTU (or other interface) it would really tell me nothing pa= rticularly useful to have used only the SPDIF digital input alone in my tes= t since I cannot use SPDIF on all of them.

I have concerns for the audio quality of all of the other line-level signal= s I will be inputting.

As I said, I was "doing sort of a "scientific" A/B test"= ; . . . not perfect, but an honest comparison.

Yes I know about impedance matching, I have had a fairly complicated rig fo= r more years than I care to rattle on about here and have sailed those wate= rs going and coming enough to know as much about it as anybody here does (I= 'd like to think).

What I was describing was this: After adjusting everything (all gain levels= , etc.) to get the very best result that could be had (to the best of my ab= ility or knowledge) with the VG and MOTU it sounded pretty okay . . . and i= f I had just stopped right then and had been satisfied . . . then we might = not even be having this conversation.

But I didn't, after that I thought I'd just test it and give the st= raight VG signal a listen through the same speakers to compare.

As I stated, the difference was quite significant.

I may be able to live with this if only my looping and related FX are being= done by the computer.

Even various hardware loopers (my old EDP included) didn't reproduce &q= uot;perfect" audio quality.

But I was really hoping NOT to have to patch the laptop into the FX send an= d return of a line mixer like I did my old EDPs.

I was hoping I could do enough of my signal processing (for all signals) in= the MacBook to have most of the processing and all of the mixing occur the= re as well.

I want to lessen my stage "footprint" and gear schleppage."<= br>
What I am finding is that I am enough of a guitar audio "tone snob&quo= t; that I may not be able to do it with the MOTU (unless I plop down $1200-= $1500 USD for a super, duper, ultra, bigger better interface than I have al= ready in the loaner Ultralite).

That extra scratch paid in hope of a unknown/possible tonal improvement is = a big budgetary stretch for me right now.

I want this to happen.

I sold my EDPs in September, more or less burning my bridges and forcing my= own hand to move in this direction.

There is very little chance of turning back now.

But, unless I can find some satisfying and affordable way of solving this l= ittle hiccup I am sort of stuck on it.

I know (or believe) that lots of you out there are getting satisfying guita= r tones out of a computer, not just crazy creative FX and looping, but good= tone as well.

It may not happen all of the time, but it does happen.

The looping and crazy FX are sort of the easy part in my book.

I have made a number of unhappy gear purchases of late.

I am trying to avoid another - and the subsequent loss of money and time fo= r no particular good reason.

I had hoped to buy a new Ultralite of my own and return the borrowed one to= it's owner.

Then I considered an Apogee duet for a while, with supposedly better preamp= s and better A/D converters (but only a pair of them).

That would mean I would still need my rackmount line-mixer outboard of all = that to combine all those extra signals before it entered the computer.

That doesn't seem to make any sense . . . but I know it would work and = yield the tone I am after.

It just doesn't lessen my gear load any.

Just replacing the EDPs and a couple of other rack FX with a laptop merely = complicates things all the more when it comes to "playing out" (l= ive gigging) - especially if I wind up keeping a mixer and half a dozen oth= er FX pieces and controllers just to make it all work.

I am getting more and more to the point that I wish I'd stayed with wha= t I had in September.

I knew how it worked, knew how to program it and knew how to use it.

Every step I take now on this road I find 5 new hidden ones ahead that I am= going to have to get through before further progress can be made.

This is very, very unsatisfying.

I just want to get back to playing ASAP.

Sincere best regards,

Ted

On Dec 13, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Dustbunnies wrote:

On 12/14/10 12:45 AM, "tEd =AE KiLLiAn" <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote= :

I played my Gibson and VG99 combination into the MOTU.... [*snip*]

...I was only using a pair of the regular line-level inputs on
the back.

Ted,

Is the 99 your sole sound source here? =A0If so, don't neglect the Digi= tal
I/O!

The VG-99 is, of course, a digital sound source. =A0What you're now doi= ng is
taking that digital signal, then running it through the VG's onboard DA= C's
to turn it into an analog signal then digitizing it all over again when you=
run it into the MOTU's ADC. =A0All this is just to get a digital signal= into
your computer.

Why?

Instead, see what happens if you keep everything digital going into the
computer. =A0Try running the S/PDIF Output from the VG directly into your laptop, or even the USB Out. =A0I've gotten good results using S/PDIF (= not as
much so with the USB -- it "felt" a little laggier -- although th= at could
merely be a rote psychological effect, since I almost expected something like that). =A0In fact, the Digital I/O is why I grabbed my AudioFire2 in t= he
first place.

(aside: this was before I realized that the input on the Macbook can also accept Optical S/PDIF directly; so I could've cheaped out on a $30
Coax-to-Optical converter rather than a $200 interface. =A0Still, I needed = a
small 2-channel DAC for the output, and it does a great job there.)

As it stands, you're putting your signal through an extra digital ]--&g= t;analog
]-->digital conversion that doesn't necessarily need to be there. = =A0It's
obvious you don't like the sound that the MOTU interface is imparting o= n the
signal, so try removing that conversion and going direct digital into the computer.

Even if you don't like the idea of remaining in the digital domain, it<= br> should, at the very least, tell you if your problem is with the MOTU's = Input
conversion or if the difficulty is with the interface's outputs. =A0Sho= uld
help troubleshoot the exact source of your frustration.

=A0 --m.





--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com=
www.ordoabk= hao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/= user825094
http://= www.looop.no
--20cf30549e0bbc59f70497597550-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 07:08:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C63F418349D; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cc51b4d0-553c-4419-bcc5-5afabf67961a_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:08:46 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <393B37F5-4D6F-4160-A17E-5B19695C0639@charter.net> References: ,<393B37F5-4D6F-4160-A17E-5B19695C0639@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2010 07:08:46.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[C02D7720:01CB9B5D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:08:48 +0000 (UTC) --_cc51b4d0-553c-4419-bcc5-5afabf67961a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ted=2C=20 I though you were using the stringport - or was I dreaming? Peace G = --_cc51b4d0-553c-4419-bcc5-5afabf67961a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ted=2C
I though you were using the stringport - or was I dreaming?
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= --_cc51b4d0-553c-4419-bcc5-5afabf67961a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 09:26:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D08C8183497; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jfjJunEs7u5yJQ43uft27FQUdOLxGiwaNk5R7doS3LU=; b=i31IwqVLZ0fOhRyL2hsRsJ+bHyCw9JNPEUFohK+4uotonJ/sJgWBkZ1GVExHhC/IJR c9rvA97CqpVMvRfXFhXSDNC4TRjEEonHPK81/BX9GR/3+kfR2Avn+wm75Th19MRiehqX p42fHKf6ti1Cg5TTTolvC+60niQe/Rfux3loI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=p8DJAyYlxXVQsIPLFE5EseBpobLqSFyf5cGpiesXBuN2lwjSzi+N67hDjRysnEN3lN r/utjKYQj4q3P59DZsEmOn/8YZMqlBcRC8M7cx/7DEHkQnNUXGGcKM7POUYN4rSTxOGs PV+Vi5JmtGLO7WGqXB3k+ri8GEjh0FMszTIBM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:26:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054ad1d01dbab04975b6cd9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:26:58 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054ad1d01dbab04975b6cd9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Liam, starting to peter-leinhos on us? :-) to unsubscribe, really; "To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2010/12/14 liam skeates-udy > unsubscribe me thanks, i can't handle all the messages in my inbox > cheers > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054ad1d01dbab04975b6cd9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Liam, starting to peter-leinhos on us?=A0 :-)

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--20cf3054ad1d01dbab04975b6cd9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 09:35:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12885183496; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 539899771/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.22.135/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.22.135 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As4BABLJBk1YbRaH/2dsb2JhbAAHlVzQcoVKBI4D X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,341,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="539899771" Message-ID: <4D073A61.8030909@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:35:29 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF FIREWIRE INTEFACES ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? References: <393B37F5-4D6F-4160-A17E-5B19695C0639@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <393B37F5-4D6F-4160-A17E-5B19695C0639@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4-av7C.A.gSF.7pzBNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:35:55 +0000 (UTC) tEd ® KiLLiAn wrote: > As I said, I was "doing sort of a "scientific" A/B test" . . . not > perfect, but an honest comparison. > hi Ted, it certainly looks like you're in a tight spot here. Things to rule out if you didn't already 1) Latency. If the Motu is producing more latency than you can stand, or even just enough to make things not feel right then it's going to end up in your fx loop. 2) Connectors. The comparison appears to be VG99>>>Motu>>>Speakers vs VG99>>>Speakers. ...but really it's VG99>>>Leads1>>>Motu>>>Leads2>>>Speakers vs VG99>>>Leads?>>>Speakers So let's be sure that budget leads aren't adding to your woes. 3) Are you running a *balanced* cable from Motu to speakers? 4) Are you running a *balanced* cable from VG99 XLR o/p to the Motu? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 12:37:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DB18183494; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=v9k41UPGVx3UaXUG9DKoD46J47OWJRAF8waPK4t100g=; b=JVfzxhACVc1zdwWbANrXob/xXUWcznZ3T9ZIXLcxrlJ1w6/brPph1AYxoqHt1oXMpB 7Ey4ulRjNOvczCCdp2fIxbifW6qe0sZzWDjTpWIQ2o3Ta7WarxT38XA7107QX1J2vMpC oSNtZlYau3UMiF9gZrK8H7limG+4EuNn7cBsI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=FzdvkLFO5TEhDoRmp7wP1XZE7lGTPjTSXOi0RLfkzlo8Cr9EmWD/M5it7mkoRZRJBl F2zvx0/7Kd6aRA0qSyhIGbmSJhKMH0fnjaq4BT35E+R4twiSY/MJJ0P/jYTo8EjWpOGx Nn8FoPaCcVOIgzoTwVVTLFT10QY1AQvkikA68= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:37:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Guys, Check out the free Pianoverb from the Polish sound design programming masters at PSP http://www.pspaudioware.com/ This plugin imitates the reverb effect you get if putting a heavy brick on a grand piano's sustain pedal and then record the string's sympathetic resonance with the vibrations in the air. I first heard this back in the late eighties on an album with solo soprano sax player Steve Lacy. But I didn't understand how that deep atmosphere was created until more than a century later, and then by accident as I was experimenting with open piano strings as "reverb generator" in my own home studio. To be honest I don't know about any other plugin that will give you this reverb sound, so if you are into that it is just a lovely crazy thing that the Poles give it out for free now. Guitarists might be familiar with the acoustic guitar reverb sound you get when not muting open strings while playing on other strings. This plugin gives a bit of that ambient feel to any sound in-the-box. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 12:49:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF669183492; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=O3sgq7yNad/Asy1/0ohvKsfApjhHkHge2b+IoVAaVtY=; b=wNI7cEm5QtnssMjXQIl/g/d3dChTjcZR9DZxEXAHITCE84xhSg/33hEIJWCCw3wMzj QuIGYVcQqjvy3szJ+BrutzA7LKYlK/xfeTpXem7UM9DFEX/YzHnTE7AN9aNa3SKvrfe2 7OU7IOD1HO9sR8EMNxTN/ZMtAQJiSKsxD3kTk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=sFnS/gCKRfd21YHL91ZAcVeH/EcswwdP7EsgmNurUJXM1EBjzaeYUMp7rRVL6an7qU QwQ2OZ3wQLEAQD/h+yTJtQwcFNt9npYt116rr01/+AiR7GgnDlZ6xXdLfmCF/2njSad/ VVTcizYc6DuHNhMTATojtNL8iGGaVFvwWPKQY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:49:18 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <5TthPC.A.NMF.Qf2BNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Per sez: > Check out the free Pianoverb from the Polish sound design programming > masters at PSP > http://www.pspaudioware.com/ > I first heard this back in the late eighties on an album with solo soprano sax > player Steve Lacy. Didn't know about the Steve Lacy reference you're mentioning. The first intense use of this effect (not for piano) known to me is Frank Zappa's "Lumpy Gravy" (1967), where it's mostly applied to speaking voices. Material from these sessions was also used in his last studio album, "Civilisation, Phase III" (1993, released 1995). There's a reference in the lyrics of "Evelyn, a Modified Dog" (One Size Fits All album): "Evelyn, a dog, having undergone Further modification Pondered the significance of short-person behavior In pedal-depressed panchromatic resonance And other highly ambient domains... " > To be honest I don't know about any other plugin that will give you this reverb sound This can be done well with any faltung/convolution plugin and use of an impulse response that models this behaviour - there have been discussions of sites that offer (free) responses, look up in the archives (or ask me again when I get home ;). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 12:55:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 686B3183490; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nPBHVhILWT2+HwWBV8WDGaLCDuusnND4Ob+Y6269Rf0=; b=nqZAjusMThxPDJ/PwU+aLTYuPZDG4M1MjoP6nInQX7pAnNq22JXyUPJUmDqZsEP2c5 q4AAoCxpmTffE0c8BgUbR+PSkJ0ZwVIVXUdNlE+7vHWF1LsvH6S60zpCW4KODiEG51SC 1GxG3yF1rxz3v7Gc2MHHp0TyQHi0roCS/xi7Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=usuLVn6GCs1fY8Iq25WO8Axx6YGhPLFhBVxAH6NUAxII5zVoK8enfuL2Yi30RzHfpK eQBe08iTxne9LoSMBMQCLKFFL1PrkzIbpuWztmUPZvXi+1ZGxFM7GJxFgF4eveAhZsZm P5JK0dTKxZWxBBST9wS4rBQSuvHRb4EeYbs/Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:55:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:55:17 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > This can be done well with any faltung/convolution plugin I disagree. Nothing sounds as real physical strings in sympathetic resonance and of course the PSP plugin doesn't replicate that sound exactly. But it sounds better in this regard than what is possible with convolution technique. Probably because you need to isolate many frequency bands to treat them differently, just as the open strings on a sustained grand are of different length. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 13:10:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65B6C183492; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xsIe6CtNBJ2A+3L14esvGUt3N/NltSmlwv0K4sA+YWk=; b=LAvnj31VPm3EbqoeeFmqk/Q7ggAmTronig//INGVu6AqvDZym8WhypYsnDsevx6I2z Y/LCivQ1pQPDHKSxdnfaCUEZHT9LWN+ABMYKCSlgABtK3bD2pqJxDCeRB2NIU2WddrDV Dvdm2+1Wt5oGYBpgAaLXdOF9r9MK6TUOw/GdM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=OLBV+qgidMZrG5CHhAaiQdKZnC4YT2T3iND2WIOgOBCwxSXMb+2hUmuDP3kHbYDv1N ArghVHm7TAcOebmiKE9TX4koI8grKhUrppMKwprzc3+f0s6Wz94ry/u6EwEEJwfXu67y SinM1v2eEy/CKXqngxZeI2lsuizCjPcFF+CLU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:10:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Per sez: >> This can be done well with any faltung/convolution plugin > I disagree. Nothing sounds as real physical strings in sympathetic > resonance and of course the PSP plugin doesn't replicate that sound > exactly. But it sounds better in this regard than what is possible > with convolution technique. Sorry for sounding like a complete dickhole here, but: did you run a serious scientifc analysis to support that claim - that the PSP plugin sounds better than what is possible with the faltung approach? This looks like a challenge to me, from a science philosophy standpoint. (You're comparing the theoretical limits of a process to model systems with a specific mathematical approach to the system modeling quality of a specific black box). Apart from that, the question really is what you're after: If you're after the authentic sound of a great grand piano and its resonances, then you best get yourself a grand. If however you want some of those panchromatic resonances (and other highly ambient domains), then you can use either approach. For me, being able to do most things with only a handful of plugins is important. For this reason, I personally prefer to use the reverb plugin I already have rather than to use a different one for "the piano reverb". YMMV. 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What is the difference between the two approaches? Antony ________________________________ From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 2:10:24 PM Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb Per sez: >> This can be done well with any faltung/convolution plugin > I disagree. Nothing sounds as real physical strings in sympathetic > resonance and of course the PSP plugin doesn't replicate that sound > exactly. But it sounds better in this regard than what is possible > with convolution technique. Sorry for sounding like a complete dickhole here, but: did you run a serious scientifc analysis to support that claim - that the PSP plugin sounds better than what is possible with the faltung approach? This looks like a challenge to me, from a science philosophy standpoint. (You're comparing the theoretical limits of a process to model systems with a specific mathematical approach to the system modeling quality of a specific black box). Apart from that, the question really is what you're after: If you're after the authentic sound of a great grand piano and its resonances, then you best get yourself a grand. If however you want some of those panchromatic resonances (and other highly ambient domains), then you can use either approach. For me, being able to do most things with only a handful of plugins is important. For this reason, I personally prefer to use the reverb plugin I already have rather than to use a different one for "the piano reverb". YMMV. --0-354083397-1292332628=:19512 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
that one flew right over my head. What is the difference between the two approaches?

Antony

From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
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Per sez:
>> This can be done well with any faltung/convolution plugin
> I disagree. Nothing sounds as real physical strings in sympathetic
> resonance and of course the PSP plugin doesn't replicate that sound
> exactly. But it sounds better in this regard than what is possible
> with convolution technique.

Sorry for sounding like a complete dickhole here, but: did you run a
serious scientifc analysis to support that claim - that the PSP plugin
sounds better than what is possible with the faltung approach? This
looks like a challenge to me, from a science philosophy standpoint.
(You're comparing the theoretical limits of a process to model systems
with a specific mathematical approach to the system modeling quality
of a specific black box).

Apart from that, the question really is what you're after:
If you're after the authentic sound of a great grand piano and its
resonances, then you best get yourself a grand. If however you want
some of those panchromatic resonances (and other highly ambient
domains), then you can use either approach.
For me, being able to do most things with only a handful of plugins is
important. For this reason, I personally prefer to use the reverb
plugin I already have rather than to use a different one for "the
piano reverb". YMMV.


--0-354083397-1292332628=:19512-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 13:19:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E017183499; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=J7cNA5a2+6P1McBFeOzlmpMsRzFHom5hFiOhZ9X+ifY=; b=FdPD82vnYA4gUk1Bh2K5X+baEBIkTzRsDAtUEboUFpYmOEfGqdsCzqMhp77yCAkDYF C8XvS84tfDHx5099o+lOgsDIMUoMQaULOba+ubOv+aFbbK/NSZ2jbqq5eQrvzfBWlU8z pWO/CfeNOhbVKv2kuiWWlmihipaR+BbZrDvEw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=miRjt1ddH60lZ1Et94o8mjWjjVl8Kkwgc08GeE/GQ7v3IUfs9+O5rAU/8+3agr+gaJ KEk6ON4ICJ5+hOxmiZWzbim2WsY6HkKwfGXeYNYescZiBXvlbdxp5xUndD0/3HBqhwit 3IlAHcQClJRIztci2V1lztx+z2oMxxJKVAO3I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:19:05 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:19:07 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > complete dickhole Well, just listen to it and see if you like it. It is irrelevant whatever technical method is *theoretically* capable of doing similar stuff. This free plugin sounds very musical to me. That is why I am sharing the tip with the list. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 13:30:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3160183494; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wXpB5oGqEaLZfnLQuZCGgndYo4gT9nq5DGHa/oh8IWw=; b=Qjh12WNIUZUPNqfL3g82xhL0JgZ4x287xzVzBLPAeBq3b61Y27K8d6L4U/WWDFrr4E R00Hs8+rpBAe9mmk+UlcveERbJeJtyWUE8aYu8157PGi0Lk5k6EZk8/vPjLjenIfgnkI YsI5SQ1C074KvY4UPVJ8XYtZP42QZOeMS2h2c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=R0Nx/twVLxp6RTv7IjGhXrcdx9ydJgTwtFc40AtzUjAPWGW/VPyYa/qjvI3tPco3jS BMmKFaxY0eW1rne4+rieUlEuM3j5ezNk12/94dQEWbOiNJM32ZBudM4378piMn0atnD5 bXv7DhYBDBA4OJkGyfCb/hUVuOQjlZXiT+0Gg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 05:30:00 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb From: Clifford Novey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:30:02 +0000 (UTC) One of my fav albums of all times uses this- Weather Report's first record- self titled from 1972. Wayne played scales on his sax into piano strings. Joe was giving him the scales and they edited all the sax out but 1 note. Incredible and I didn't know how it was done until much later. Joe also is doing something with the pedals you can hear it. Cheers for the tip- I will have to load that app into Reaper (plug- loving it) Clifford On 12/14/10, Per Boysen wrote: > Guys, > > Check out the free Pianoverb from the Polish sound design programming > masters at PSP > http://www.pspaudioware.com/ > > This plugin imitates the reverb effect you get if putting a heavy > brick on a grand piano's sustain pedal and then record the string's > sympathetic resonance with the vibrations in the air. I first heard > this back in the late eighties on an album with solo soprano sax > player Steve Lacy. But I didn't understand how that deep atmosphere > was created until more than a century later, and then by accident as I > was experimenting with open piano strings as "reverb generator" in my > own home studio. To be honest I don't know about any other plugin that > will give you this reverb sound, so if you are into that it is just a > lovely crazy thing that the Poles give it out for free now. Guitarists > might be familiar with the acoustic guitar reverb sound you get when > not muting open strings while playing on other strings. This plugin > gives a bit of that ambient feel to any sound in-the-box. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > -- Sent from my mobile device From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 13:45:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33079183498; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BeLBzD6pDF2pi5ZHbm5BCa3SxEzUn9nWsJZ/BqulKlM=; b=abqbiepWHk7wyHX6ORwk0a4pYXSKvmWQi2H2f31AKK8Ue5SjiR9vTiJZD+5RF8s2sq M5SB2xFO0FJOSlLrT8vngNwi0Y78wWPNr+Xut692w6RZUHzuWmnwf0YMXjOrGYNbiGr9 KFE53kgeVwNdAF5ME1+FdM0CK7stfI2oienuo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=gTSONZYjPLwA+Jdqbn1t8MWR3xAM6bfmW74drWA6YD4W75RL5+gwav4whIWYnbNIfm /YrhcBXGVcUXBkZvmCQI6r5NGFwl1YFlddJVB+KV7Y725a3gU8HYTsgE8cv9QBDcqfg0 zjU3N0G5VJyTzOKXJ2+p5iIbfPSvo5YpaBctg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:45:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Antony sez: > that one flew right over my head. What is the difference between the two approaches? Approach 1 (convolution): Basically, it works like this: Theory has it that every LTI system can be completely defined by its impulse response (the system's reaction to an infinitely short, infinitely high spike with a finite surface area). LTI here means "linear, time invariant". Time invariance means that it does not matter if you send the signal now or 10ms or 1s or whatever later (or earlier). An example of a typical effect where this is not the case is a flanger (or, for that matter, everything modulated by a LFO). Linearity is that if you make the input twice as loud, the output gets twice as loud (and that for any multiplier), and if you send in two signals at one then the output is the sum of the processed output from the individual input signals. An example of a typical effect where this is not the case is a compressor (or, for that matter, everything with something like an envelope follower). A prime example for something LTI is a delay. (Note that "linearity" does not mean "a flat frequency response"! In fact, ideal EQs are linear systems). For our application: assume you could somehow record the impulse response of your system (in that case, the inside of a piano with the sustain pedal depressed). Then you could record that, and by that and a specific mathetmatical operation (faltung, or convolution) model the system's response to the input. There are a few drawbacks here. First, you have to record the impulse response (but this works relatively well). Then, it only works for LTI systems. While a piano can be considered time invariant, it is not necessarily linear. (see below for a further discussion of that). Approach 2 (physical modelling, as used by the PSP plugin): the PSP plugin uses models of twelve string resonators, which basically model the resonances of one string each. They don't say a lot about this, but we do know its only twelve strings (of the hundreds inside of a piano), and there doesn't seem to be any model of the soundboard. No word on properly modelling inter string resonances. There's limits to both approaches here: ad 1: the linearity is mainly a problem for very low energies transferred to a string. If the energy falls below the value that is necessary to establish at least one full oscillation cycle, then the behaviour of that string changes radically, compared to the linear assumption. And, as Per pointed out, there is a theoretical limit to how good this can work - those nonlinearities can, by design, never be modelled in that approach. (btw, I found your quote from my last message rather misleading, to say the least, Per. If you wanted to make a statement to this regard, please feel free to do so here or via matrix mail, but I kindly ask you to avoid putting quotes out of context like this). ad 2: from just theoretically looking at this, it's not possible to tell anything about the quality of the physical model. What can be expected, however, is that the lack of a sufficient number of strings, as well as the lack of a model of the soundboard, soundboard-string interaction, sides/lid of the piano (probably only relevant for early reflections, as there's a comparably weak coupling between those and the soundboard). Yours, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 13:52:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99AD01834A5; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hL/81jNXZN8rNueANKM7JFMLwHljk5l/TQ3Mg4KSM/Y=; b=wYBEebLhEOv/lLFazLUifU76DTpiLolAcRTlb2GfzWS7+zFAnj/EsUgPUbDlP1XsCS 36Syf1rN8iASs8I+YkCy1DsclCo6Kfq3bpnafjvrfSx3qoFI5SZZ54XtraI4RMvfAgeS LL/WWuVrdfbDcqlBA0DKXuOxJghrWOSJnJ8QU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UFO5JjFTP4t16TdZh+FyiVxzVS4ZWabqT5Qo4fLThBGE02D4Rn6VI1AO9Y8pHOPO6V Hq4lS1HFVcK8oqzEJIkZ22exiFEoI4F/sl8cNL17a0f9kKqtaYqQoKhAZfE3p/Gwf/5m kB1yK6x9JkXW55dyxAc0BGfR7Uvo+qyVe3cRU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:52:45 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:52:46 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Clifford Novey wrote: > One of my fav albums of all times uses this- Weather Report's first > record- self titled from 1972. Wayne played scales on his sax into > piano strings. Joe was giving him the scales and they edited all the > sax out but 1 note. Incredible and I didn't know how it was done until > much later. Joe also is doing something with the pedals you can hear > it. I like that album too :-) So Joe held down the sustained chords according to the song structure to imply the chord changes in the piano's sax reverb! Cool. Doing that with modern electronic laptop tools would be an exciting challenge! I imagine I would like to assign "reverb chords" to the switches of a MIDI pedalboard to play it. Any ideas on how to set up a signal routing that would give you this thing? I can think of a mixer system where reverb is fed into a bunch of effect channels that are EQ'ed to let through the notes frequencies of a particular chord (or clusters). Then you may mute and unmute such effect tracks for "chord changes in the reverb". But this idea loses out on the fact that the sustained piano string also starts to oscillate and boosts the note it with its own (grand) sound. I guess there are better tricks. Ideas anyone? A system of parallel granular synthesis lines? (think we're talking "electronic tanpura" here, kind of...) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 14:01:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95C55183497; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vgSu0TnzkBm2lJMC7zFmGeWwqB5PzC8TG4C+kd9PkZY=; b=s0scEl9DS88R9MAlAnYlnAnmZU249m2S/+7CA1kKc8GQGPIXwGVhMXio9xYCJfMsTa 7a8R+RJiYnjHbr/ox8pNacl5aoD68TCd7yxAskm/1QcOUOJQEM8ELbz4+aa8Q2hGCBpg E3SWlq5ay1dql7PdNP2QMbejCMzDnS5+mUSIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lqzDy+cDfHn9oDACqzYVB6aotLLNeaVoO0oAhH+5JhQaXIk2oww8jmY+MXk9hghPDi OIzPNGweJdF4XNhBDS3bLqWVs45RCQSR+3fX3zf8MsJW/Ef8SdYhYkq5hV0ZsIHZdCeN 1jNu6NasWFNHWo8KtvefIiIKZk36KGp0EWEBo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:01:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:01:02 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > (btw, I found your quote from my last message rather misleading, to > say the least, Per. If you wanted to make =C2=A0a statement to this regar= d, > please feel free to do so here or via matrix mail, but I kindly ask > you to avoid putting quotes out of context like this). I just thought that word stood out in a funny way! Sorry about that. No harm meant. I guess nuances in your message got lost in the translation and when mangled through my bizarre sense of humor it indeed came back on the list as "misleading". Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 14:10:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFC9918348D; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=blqIlDjV0knpHR6Bk4xlTNHOigqsIVSND3RchRowFws=; b=hvUZAMHDqolKwZYXATqDsDao45dNZWmMF/W+uxQA465tMbhHSfYj4zgRNAsARmLljm x2GXxGCn+/sI2mhKruraseK4R3i9t8aGG8w2GLlpK2XpQSm3uD7BPjYOpVw2ElnaX1RS sLsFD5tFhRluE5/apA2MPd6QjTCAhWlke8hF4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=kaGMmbEfV0EELSnfHS9KThFjMifwcpK+zMNiWKNIolTuGop5x33IQoTW+GAYP4BfkK SXjKOgW1msW0cBaSrpXqfJ9E0WDPypvO2uq+V+mhNqKqu9dPg+ulArEbAeLDVbFWzq59 PQsKdpaqgwdOpMkuPBU2o0l1eKXJaRlDZtvNA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:10:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Per said: > I just thought that word stood out in a funny way! Sorry about that. No harm meant. Thanks, Per, for clearing that up. No wonder it stood out in a funny way; it was a South Park (tv series) reference/quote. Going back to signal theory mode...;) Rainer btw, I seem to remember you're a Kontakt user? As far as I remember, the grand piano patch uses a convolution algorithm to model the piano resonances - can't remember how it is used in detail - but perhaps a good starting point for some comparison? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 14:15:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39A4A18348E; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb References: From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3178F03F-100D-4239-AB65-CE09B9E3D921@1800dialword.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:14:50 -0500 To: Thread-Topic: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thread-index: AcubmWQc/kZ53ykXTpukz22jMzq8pQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2010 14:15:43.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[650FFFC0:01CB9B99] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:15:45 +0000 (UTC) I dont know about dickholes but ya'll are definately eggheads!!! Makes me w= anna get my oldtime banjo out and sit on my front porch and let the higher p= owers control the reverbs!!! If it wasnt 11 degrees F I would!!! Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 14, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Rainer Straschill wr= ote: > Per said: >> I just thought that word stood out in a funny way! Sorry about that. No h= arm meant. >=20 > Thanks, Per, for clearing that up. No wonder it stood out in a funny > way; it was a South Park (tv series) reference/quote. >=20 > Going back to signal theory mode...;) >=20 > Rainer >=20 > btw, I seem to remember you're a Kontakt user? As far as I remember, > the grand piano patch uses a convolution algorithm to model the piano > resonances - can't remember how it is used in detail - but perhaps a > good starting point for some comparison? >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 14:21:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9E0318349E; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WqQIbKWZT2Lc4nXTJJiIKla7t62kVh5zddWeUvEFPYM=; b=WB/N0Qxm1qXcB1r3l+ADuA1j+DTAE5ABGHM8cgMuB8FOQPcx1qJMkph4lP5UkzWqVp 6UY2Ysmz+LKUuz//Vif0ZE7PKFD6aVdsWlCcc6NUXCkFYqvsq50EnwjqMix/sE35H+14 P+zJ6IwgERICdEKqacbg9+Y4ZZWyFPm1qPEzA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uzTevZfGSMXDgWsZTvt76P2NYfNo1O8Cb4PNdpN6jTgccdMn0EpSS2ueyKJ6HL6nGc UXKdQ62WvLNiCChd7SjQk5gc9W5Uks2OA3ZLq9Gd3KsJwb3+t7xf2x8itDueatqSAgqY KBUKMdEQaz5PpmRW0Gs4WQg8OX4lGirbmsXmk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:21:55 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:21:56 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > btw, I seem to remember you're a Kontakt user? As far as I remember, > the grand piano patch uses a convolution algorithm to model the piano > resonances - can't remember how it is used in detail - but perhaps a > good starting point for some comparison? Thanks for that tip! Yes, I have Kontakt 4 here and will check it out. The general problem with convolution seems to be that you would actually need to record a new impulse response for each note of the scale. Maybe that's what Native Instruments have done? BTW, PSP Pianoverb just got upgraded a minute ago (below) Per > contact PSP > to psp_pv_171 > > show details 3:07 PM (11 minutes ago) > > Dear user, > > We are pleased to announce an update of our freeware plug-in: PSP PianoVe= rb to version 1.7.1 > > Download links to newest versions and your authorization details you will= find =C2=A0at your account at PSP Registration Center. > > > Warm regards from f(reez)ing cold Warsaw > PSP Team > > > PSP PianoVerb v.1.7.1 > > Fixes > Crash in Cubase during automation curve edition fixed > Crash in SONAR during opening fixed > Version number fixed to 1.7.1. > Channel routing compatibility improved. > > > Known problems > Authorization problem in ProTools on MacOSX > > Workaround > Open and authorize plug-in in any other plug-in host (for example in the = GarageBand). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 14:31:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81CC51834A4; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_17733775-73e9-4ded-afcc-dced14f12dab_" X-Originating-IP: [212.219.56.214] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:31:19 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2010 14:31:19.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[92C792A0:01CB9B9B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:31:22 +0000 (UTC) --_17733775-73e9-4ded-afcc-dced14f12dab_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I made a plugin with just this effect by having a series of 60! short delay= s=2C each tuned chromatically with a master feedback controller. It's rathe= r cool sounding. It's based on the "drone box" plugin here : http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/index.php?p=3Ddronebox =20 Peace =20 G =20 > Date: Tue=2C 14 Dec 2010 14:52:45 +0100 > Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pi= anoverb > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > On Tue=2C Dec 14=2C 2010 at 2:30 PM=2C Clifford Novey = wrote: > > One of my fav albums of all times uses this- Weather Report's first > > record- self titled from 1972. Wayne played scales on his sax into > > piano strings. Joe was giving him the scales and they edited all the > > sax out but 1 note. Incredible and I didn't know how it was done until > > much later. Joe also is doing something with the pedals you can hear > > it. >=20 > I like that album too :-) So Joe held down the sustained chords > according to the song structure to imply the chord changes in the > piano's sax reverb! Cool. Doing that with modern electronic laptop > tools would be an exciting challenge! I imagine I would like to assign > "reverb chords" to the switches of a MIDI pedalboard to play it. Any > ideas on how to set up a signal routing that would give you this > thing? >=20 > I can think of a mixer system where reverb is fed into a bunch of > effect channels that are EQ'ed to let through the notes frequencies of > a particular chord (or clusters). Then you may mute and unmute such > effect tracks for "chord changes in the reverb". But this idea loses > out on the fact that the sustained piano string also starts to > oscillate and boosts the note it with its own (grand) sound. I guess > there are better tricks. Ideas anyone? A system of parallel granular > synthesis lines? (think we're talking "electronic tanpura" here=2C kind > of...) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 = --_17733775-73e9-4ded-afcc-dced14f12dab_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I made a plugin with just this effect by having a series of 60! short delay= s=2C each =3Btuned chromatically with a master feedback =3Bcontroll= er. It's rather cool sounding. It's based on the "drone box" plugin here :<= BR> http://www.ol= ilarkin.co.uk/index.php?p=3Ddronebox
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= --_17733775-73e9-4ded-afcc-dced14f12dab_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 14:43:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B0061834AD; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: Subject: RE: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:43:53 +0100 Message-ID: <76451471D49947CCADF239D1EF859359@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcubkFTVjCSZfoZxTOasv9UTb9+cFwADOtEA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-reply-to: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:43:56 +0000 (UTC) I love it ... it sounds like a comb filter a little bit ... but somewhat different -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 15:03:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A47B183491; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 548600286/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.22.135/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.22.135 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As8BAC4WB01YbRaH/2dsb2JhbAAHg1WSBsAfkQ2BIYM1dASOAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,342,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="548600286" Message-ID: <4D078732.9040406@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:03:14 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2GoN7B.A.lqD.rc4BNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Thanks for that tip! Yes, I have Kontakt 4 here and will check it out. > The general problem with convolution seems to be that you would > actually need to record a new impulse response for each note of the > scale. Actually you wouldn't. just one impulse would suffice. The result of convolution is that you only hear frequencies that are present in both the source *and* the impulse. Or to put that in the way it's usually said "Convolution in the time domain is equivalent to multiplication in the frequency domain. " andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 15:21:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCD6718348B; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:21:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=C7Fov9n7kAiQtRxeil54ob9UMroLa2f7BWtEpqFO/s4=; b=E4sgVovAk7+AJF93IVuvuVNr9m4UDLHRb6Oe+Jj091dcXZiL/Ma+6t/rHVWCpUOozY 6sFd3joqPv4E6wS78njc8emuumwoN7xAQY1SKQZxp4jHlWH4Nz/+gcskXNPVUT95BVOg gc8fiEUI/xQYVeQ3xA/IXctepZHocW2cOPOe0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iO1NBfwbxV/k+r12yqsZLw7ARMHqPUHpOxveC5OVEYogV31kvw62dWJW3kkcIRawkb PI93+8PZYsmlQfYEFCMYP7GN8kjdZTT7fyQoYnL9y5VM2ownN/j/bm0wScZ8RoPgmJWN netIwml1GuoVmqjBIKL19B8bpHfz61u63ggf8= Message-ID: <4D078B64.8020108@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:21:08 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb References: <4D078732.9040406@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D078732.9040406@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:21:11 +0000 (UTC) andy butler schrieb: > The result of convolution is that you only > hear frequencies that are present in both > the source *and* the impulse. That's another way of saying "it's linear". > Or to put that in the way it's usually said > > "Convolution in the time domain is equivalent > to multiplication in the frequency domain. " ...which is only true if it's linear...;) -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 16:06:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60E3118347F; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3465 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:06:40 UTC Message-Id: From: jayrope LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20101214131028.A5EB9183497@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:08:51 +0100 References: <20101214131028.A5EB9183497@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:06:41 +0000 (UTC) There's a similar effect in Lexicon PCM 70, 80 and 81 units. I call it resonator. Simply it uses 4-6 resonating delay lines tuned to piano keys to resonate any kind of music harmonically (or as you wish). It's a great sounding effect (especially from the PCM 70) and allows, other than the PSP piano plug, for very shattering/rocking setups on top of it's basic ambient character. I used it on numerous recordings and live, up to today, for instance while playing live electronics for Mikis Thedorakis composition on the concetration camp Mauthausen at Holocaust Memorial Museum some years ago. A very nice tool for real time musical ambiences in general, great also to localize every single performance (f.i. with a phonographic recording of the travel to the performance) while reserving musical stability (the harmonization of the noise) So run a phonographic recording or drums into it, whicle playing the resonating notes on a midi keyboard: lovely. - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Dec 14, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP > Pianoverb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 16:24:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9A5A183487; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 540087584/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.22.135/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.22.135 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvUBACspB01YbRaH/2dsb2JhbAAHg1aSCMArkRaBIYM1dASOBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,342,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="540087584" Message-ID: <4D079A2C.10503@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:24:12 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb References: <4D078732.9040406@tiscali.co.uk> <4D078B64.8020108@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D078B64.8020108@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Straschill wrote: > andy butler schrieb: >> The result of convolution is that you only >> hear frequencies that are present in both >> the source *and* the impulse. > That's another way of saying "it's linear". >> Or to put that in the way it's usually said >> >> "Convolution in the time domain is equivalent >> to multiplication in the frequency domain. " > ...which is only true if it's linear...;) > your point being? ;-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 16:26:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 122CD18348D; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=f8qxsZhis9oA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=qPzfMoOpAAAA:8 a=TcYPa_6dvonJHpWFanUA:9 a=AGXokBqnpXhQvLpHe7L9fKGyqq4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:26:01 -0800 References: <20101214131028.A5EB9183497@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:26:06 +0000 (UTC) The Alesis Akira (and Ineko) also have a similar "Resonator" verb on it. I own 2 Akiras and the effect is quite similar to this. On Dec 14, 2010, at 7:08 AM, jayrope LD wrote: > There's a similar effect in Lexicon PCM 70, 80 and 81 units. I call > it resonator. Simply it uses 4-6 resonating delay lines tuned to > piano keys to resonate any kind of music harmonically (or as you > wish). It's a great sounding effect (especially from the PCM 70) and > allows, other than the PSP piano plug, for very shattering/rocking > setups on top of it's basic ambient character. > I used it on numerous recordings and live, up to today, for instance > while playing live electronics for Mikis Thedorakis composition on > the concetration camp Mauthausen at Holocaust Memorial Museum some > years ago. > > A very nice tool for real time musical ambiences in general, great > also to localize every single performance (f.i. with a phonographic > recording of the travel to the performance) while reserving musical > stability (the harmonization of the noise) > So run a phonographic recording or drums into it, whicle playing the > resonating notes on a midi keyboard: lovely. > > - - - > jayrope > http://www.kliklak.net > > On Dec 14, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.comwrote > : > >> Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP >> Pianoverb > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 16:33:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 646E8183488; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wMUJJfa0PYuc0FubODYSP7Dp9eHqKBo+aSKh0/oXL6s=; b=fU5XbmMx0FIDJOGoEGUxs3c8g9P1wRCiZxp+1xrq9lFbCGFkDY/yux9KQ0vG7FfZJb WIFKeZ2kPX3NjbUcDJYSlrpOoWrrevfZqPVVJ0squ8WSVB8jrkuPPYY1/McAtpkukucb eebrRt1Z7tw7FAwa/tA+romtYSONw3wSG34pU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aWkmlPVKyHEJ461mse4DZK77qpMcJ5V7U9/9QkKA54xvCiKoq1bP4BotcNj6jTAttf 1RiKI65PzFajd3/fYcBnsFSPjFc+zELneKHY5hlTrqjt0Cc3sdM+/65CGAWtef5/sJ4A W52enk3gaKocrlN/hthVAMub9wm7j995WFovc= Message-ID: <4D079C3E.8060800@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:33:02 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb References: <4D078732.9040406@tiscali.co.uk> <4D078B64.8020108@googlemail.com> <4D079A2C.10503@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D079A2C.10503@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:33:02 +0000 (UTC) andy butler schrieb: > your point being? > ;-) > andy In a previous post (I think in response to Antony), I tried to explain linearity, and I believe I didn't get it explained in a way that had any reference to reality, so to speak. That analogy of yours seemed to be easier to understand, so I decided to mention it here. -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 17:56:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFDE9183480; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:56:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=giJmkEurFRBNtppGDtiYgPzhS9OK04XNcXyywG7/UpE=; b=kjIKf7oPTEvL3MDxnhMuVn42+L9LtDfWb1L8nuOsMFacdGB+MO5HJ8nBL4ywJ3C11o WPGcaoUAjktqH161BitW23Koa/0whPF/pNB5XQcTgZk43xYAV85KFrdOAnWoWLP1JvCl jHBT1xAVPkn8mlb7lFSQE/+ARAk+ikp+xeqIY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=kj3UN9e8iAs/F/3XkY3CoQuZlCVmP6dMufZ2/JniHhiFWJWlo1jJFTF3nYTjiee2Uo yQfiiQz3/VheoRXTBSgRAfJeWazNshByiHa15eVj/rehSVlZC8v4ETbuDMYhHLRZy8jc pVbW9SSR4z3t/662FYuRJwdpu1WNzytgvFd/c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D064093.30800@tiscali.co.uk> References: <70AA5DA6-8F5C-4EBB-AA8B-BE36E0BA012C@charter.net> <4D06305A.20608@tiscali.co.uk> <4D064093.30800@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:55:58 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WHAT SORTS OF pocket recorders ARE PEOPLE USING THESE DAYS? From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30433e326e6206049762880c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:56:01 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30433e326e6206049762880c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm using Olympus LS-10 for field recording, recording rehearsals, collecting littel loop snippets et etc Great value for its price, really happy with it, not an audiophile myself, only thing that I dont like is the headphone output signal, its so quiet. -Petri- 2010/12/13 andy butler > Gareth Whittock wrote: > >> That's interesting. >> I'll check this out Andy. I've read that the H2 isn't that hot >> fidelity-wise. >> > > Apart from the onboard mics it's noticeably not that good audio wise > in everything it does. > > If you want to use the line I/P on the H4n I'd suggest checking > out the headroom. The H2 distorts at anything over -10dB, which > isn't any kind of known standard ( usually a -10dB input would > be -10dB nominal, with a bit of headroom, but -10dB > isn't used these days anyway). In short, anything you put into it will > distort without an attenuator. > > There's a great random element to how Zoom gear turns out it seems. > > > > andy > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf30433e326e6206049762880c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm using Olympus LS-10=A0 for field recording, recording rehearsals, c= ollecting littel loop snippets et etc

Great value for its price, rea= lly happy with it, not an audiophile myself, only thing that I dont like is= the headphone output signal, its so quiet.

-Petri-

2010/12/13 andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.= co.uk>
Gareth Whittock wrote:
That's interesting.
I'll check this out Andy. I've read that the H2 isn't that hot = fidelity-wise.

Apart from the onboard mics it's noticeably not that good audio wise in everything it does.

If you want to use the line I/P on the H4n I'd suggest checking
out the headroom. The H2 distorts at anything over -10dB, which
isn't any kind of known standard ( usually a -10dB input would
be -10dB nominal, with a bit of headroom, but -10dB
isn't used these days anyway). =A0In short, anything you put into it wi= ll distort without an attenuator.

There's a great random element to how Zoom gear turns out it seems.
=


andy




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http://petrilahtinen.blo= gspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/pet= rilahtinen
http://twitt= er.com/PetriLahtinen
= http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
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"Only become pr= ofessional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
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"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-
--20cf30433e326e6206049762880c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 19:42:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9257E18347A; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:42:54 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7f1ed2b8-5a28-404e-bf6e-414f29169986_" X-Originating-IP: [173.198.108.2] From: FRO DIDDLY To: Subject: RE: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:37:52 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2010 19:37:52.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[65C76F70:01CB9BC6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:42:55 +0000 (UTC) --_7f1ed2b8-5a28-404e-bf6e-414f29169986_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for this Per.=20 Before I left on tour i purchased a Receptor and would love to see if this = guy loads. While we're on the topic=2C any recommendations on other free plug-ins / we= bsites would be greatly appreciated.=20 The Wandering Madman=20 > Date: Tue=2C 14 Dec 2010 13:37:38 +0100 > Subject: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianov= erb > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Guys=2C >=20 > Check out the free Pianoverb from the Polish sound design programming > masters at PSP > http://www.pspaudioware.com/ >=20 > This plugin imitates the reverb effect you get if putting a heavy > brick on a grand piano's sustain pedal and then record the string's > sympathetic resonance with the vibrations in the air. I first heard > this back in the late eighties on an album with solo soprano sax > player Steve Lacy. But I didn't understand how that deep atmosphere > was created until more than a century later=2C and then by accident as I > was experimenting with open piano strings as "reverb generator" in my > own home studio. To be honest I don't know about any other plugin that > will give you this reverb sound=2C so if you are into that it is just a > lovely crazy thing that the Poles give it out for free now. Guitarists > might be familiar with the acoustic guitar reverb sound you get when > not muting open strings while playing on other strings. This plugin > gives a bit of that ambient feel to any sound in-the-box. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 = --_7f1ed2b8-5a28-404e-bf6e-414f29169986_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for this Per.

Before I left on tour i purchased a Recepto= r and would love to see if this guy loads.

While we're on the topic= =2C any recommendations on other free plug-ins / websites would be greatly = appreciated.



The= Wandering Madman



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>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com
>=3B
>=3B Guys=2C
>=3B
>=3B Check out the = free Pianoverb from the Polish sound design programming
>=3B masters a= t PSP
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>=3B
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>=3B lovely crazy thing that the Poles give it out fo= r free now. Guitarists
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= --_7f1ed2b8-5a28-404e-bf6e-414f29169986_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 20:35:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8265B183478; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6F6DyDTJtiQn+ZMiMceK3CndfVKf19JXhqSPkbtbTbo=; b=gdDD8cbCjeabjndNZX8EIhF78GIzAEC9uD3pI05D7mQOxSa+AP9x6bQp+06tB/Qh+i Zfk+/Ex/XraAmuo80M4uOSnXuu8sCBwphy9xCNn9vTfIw7I0z9s4HCpYsWGGaaymkEwJ c/9RDwzd8FnJ1soLRPjkLK1SxygoPyZ5M4OnI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=mPWMj7bVSFTRUo8yOVB363Bud1uxTjnCbw75K7mxpdiuPVifCon51Lr8MtYXJKQAVH PnHxZgQo8OPH9jnTv1wQPO1aVhlJdTAyLSNfwwEKc8V5HPuNZqmGrLUfq2Y3l9bsHYiR lPiyWZQEzDZugDjbcqSazf64CEjZJaTu7NfZE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:35:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: help please! From: Rob Adler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b5ae3b1830049764c36a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:35:46 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5b5ae3b1830049764c36a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 here's my prob: i've gotten up to snuff on the looping capabilities, but there's one thing i could do with the jam man that i haven't been able to figure out how to do with the echoplex: record and then trigger a sample and only have it play back once, and only when i step on the pedal. what i do is play a note or phrase, sample it, and then play it back while i play something else over the top of it. need to have the ability of triggering it manually, as it has to be in the rhythm of the rest of the band. --001636c5b5ae3b1830049764c36a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable here's my prob: i've gotten up to snuff on the looping capabilities= ,
but there's one thing i could do with the jam man that i haven'= ;t been
able to figure out how to do with the echoplex: record and then<= br> trigger a sample and only have it play back once, and only when i step
o= n the pedal. what i do is play a note or phrase, sample it, and then
pla= y it back while i play something else over the top of it. need to
have t= he ability of triggering it manually, as it has to be in the
rhythm of the rest of the band.
--001636c5b5ae3b1830049764c36a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 20:38:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80CC918347F; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 214774.18840.bm@omp1002.mail.ird.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=0hcDKKPZtpZeJH3QcA4aI5C6WMqeLZ9geoFC2a4N0ZdBtpHJmJB2MJxYA9GmsRFDQEhdSUAvKpM44GUXwHN14BMcpRjZ2IY2XOOyfVO7u9giqct7IMwkpqP17iJste93D29NWs6zGwJdyuad0hLktJCgl9SWZAVnCpIrx2pmRR4= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1292359119; bh=hAnm8o6SO7VPGB0CbNRxTMsQYEPBj4R0QePLBjY3x9o=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=ktKaRdqFyq339Bg3pI9o0dSf9cPsKn6Yhck+YVjMa1ntATeMJf1Pl1spUMV8x36LsWaXNnmwvl/UFfNCvGBildTHT1K0feu0mS5GLJlKzpDe4JgfwQ6diuHMDveXLi+7q6RY2abpd6qzvB5Zg75AUsNeHxSaqJ4aXcbSN2hxXw4= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: 6VjhargVM1kktENOebJc3eD3oodv7Qrmtc7pcKNsBBai.lZ aRZkIPFW6eWVOwIdeY7pnU_izFCl6XVyFM20J4fUGIqbsoZj0hhbCy6kttxE Z6Qx6_l30sj98BK6Li.cvDtE9tamirLwXz2Id4UnNU14IADkbHRJzmf8keZo Y2WVopYbRN_QTQcO382exs_zM9kIMNuwSN3I6Xktv_FCZ3QCh9ORY9tYSsWu v_VsDesf0WTLw9FKq4zo7dSV7xm3DJTyzbrU1tFQBF9agV_XLVB7HdFOBpyd 7Bfld9abbozXJ8hp3vFE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-22-519299563 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: help please! Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:38:32 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <0-hS3C.A.QDD.RX9BNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:38:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-22-519299563 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed This is my problem with the EDP Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 14 Dec 2010, at 20:35, Rob Adler wrote: > here's my prob: i've gotten up to snuff on the looping capabilities, > but there's one thing i could do with the jam man that i haven't been > able to figure out how to do with the echoplex: record and then > trigger a sample and only have it play back once, and only when i step > on the pedal. what i do is play a note or phrase, sample it, and then > play it back while i play something else over the top of it. need to > have the ability of triggering it manually, as it has to be in the > rhythm of the rest of the band. --Apple-Mail-22-519299563 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII This is my problem with the EDP 

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 14 Dec 2010, = at 20:35, Rob Adler wrote:

here's my = prob: i've gotten up to snuff on the looping capabilities,
but = there's one thing i could do with the jam man that i haven't = been
able to figure out how to do with the echoplex: record and = then
trigger a sample and only have it play back once, and only when = i step
on the pedal. what i do is play a note or phrase, sample it, = and then
play it back while i play something else over the top of it. = need to
have the ability of triggering it manually, as it has to be = in the
rhythm of the rest of the = band.

= --Apple-Mail-22-519299563-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 21:05:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E50BB18347B; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 545926351/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.22.135/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.22.135 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvUBAFRqB01YbRaH/2dsb2JhbAAHlWPRUIVKBI4F X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,344,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="545926351" Message-ID: <4D07DC24.70200@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:05:40 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: help please! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7vXPeC.A.MEE.aw9BNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Simplest way Mute Mode = Sta End record with Mute. Then hit Mute to start playback, and Mute again to stop. If you do Quantise= CYC you can just tap twice and you'll get exactly one loop. There's many other ways, I can work out the "just one button pressed once" way if needed, but the setup for that will take away a lot of flexibility. It's also more easily realisable using midi control. andy butler Rob Adler wrote: > here's my prob: i've gotten up to snuff on the looping capabilities, > but there's one thing i could do with the jam man that i haven't been > able to figure out how to do with the echoplex: record and then > trigger a sample and only have it play back once, and only when i step > on the pedal. what i do is play a note or phrase, sample it, and then > play it back while i play something else over the top of it. need to > have the ability of triggering it manually, as it has to be in the > rhythm of the rest of the band. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 21:17:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 672F5183478; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:17:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "boost" To: References: Subject: Re: help please! Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:17:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01CB9BDC.AA011860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101214-0, 14/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 16056458572342148786 X-Ovh-Remote: 81.220.209.20 (ip-20.net-81-220-209.rev.numericable.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:17:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CB9BDC.AA011860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Two solutions: 1/ if you have a midi controller to control the echoplex: C 36 SamplePlay Immediately restart the loop and play once 2/ parameters: more loops: 1 ; sampler style: one then next loop will triger sample just once. hope this help ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rob Adler=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 9:35 PM Subject: help please! here's my prob: i've gotten up to snuff on the looping capabilities, but there's one thing i could do with the jam man that i haven't been able to figure out how to do with the echoplex: record and then trigger a sample and only have it play back once, and only when i step on the pedal. what i do is play a note or phrase, sample it, and then play it back while i play something else over the top of it. need to have the ability of triggering it manually, as it has to be in the rhythm of the rest of the band. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CB9BDC.AA011860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Two solutions:
 
1/ if you have a midi controller to = control the=20 echoplex:

C 36 SamplePlay Immediately restart the loop and play once

2/ parameters: more loops: 1  = ;  =20 sampler style: one

then next loop will triger sample just=20 once.

 

hope this help

 

----- Original Message = -----=20
From:=20 Rob = Adler=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, = 2010 9:35=20 PM
Subject: help please!

here's my prob: i've gotten up to snuff on the looping=20 capabilities,
but there's one thing i could do with the jam man = that i=20 haven't been
able to figure out how to do with the echoplex: record = and=20 then
trigger a sample and only have it play back once, and only = when i=20 step
on the pedal. what i do is play a note or phrase, sample it, = and=20 then
play it back while i play something else over the top of it. = need=20 to
have the ability of triggering it manually, as it has to be in=20 the
rhythm of the rest of the band.
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01CB9BDC.AA011860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 14 23:02:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02D73183479; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Pfbujq4UlKbta4Ekm32yMA)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012140163 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-14_13:2010-12-14,2010-12-14,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: soundcloud guitar looping files Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:02:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:02:48 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_Pfbujq4UlKbta4Ekm32yMA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Just created a Soundcloud account for music postings and uploaded a couple guitar and low range recorder tracks. All processing/ looping/ recording done in Ableton Live in real time, no pre-recorded material or post overdubs. Thanks for listening. - Paul << r369improv's sounds on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free >> --Boundary_(ID_Pfbujq4UlKbta4Ekm32yMA) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Just created a Soundcloud account for music postings and uploaded a couple guitar and low range recorder tracks.  All processing/ looping/ recording done in Ableton Live in real time, no pre-recorded material or post overdubs.  Thanks for listening. - Paul

--Boundary_(ID_Pfbujq4UlKbta4Ekm32yMA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 00:14:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EB31183479; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VQBtCpfjDgVepxiYN99hr/PRtPVBsJ7nUvsxzu27JPE=; b=pKchH2LlV1mz1AAiGvuZeFW/647XgjPo2c67VszpWuynjFVrow/z8bSNUBaKnI1oYW zpiWCICQDDRNkFJIklap/47il23iCRFQlyZF41sg/Xni7oLlkDG/xmWp79ivlQ+aQyEx XLju4M9HqOWStFH+UWpRrgXMXfWGIcJDfPXA0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QjFQswIBPswRS61YPYj0Xe6034kDCIs67dNKHDmA+42XYMngrCVEXqICtVYRVWWdtJ cTDLeR5W3vkvyJoksdURwzb94opVIRp27fS6aNCwCv4J7WOihldjhbq6WaCNMgK8VGDa hCefhEz/6yUBBfgacUrt0NCvwrDXP64VFnV/U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:14:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: soundcloud guitar looping files From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <6TGrLC.A.1cC.hhACNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:14:25 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote= : > Just created a Soundcloud account for music postings and uploaded a coupl= e > guitar and low range recorder tracks. =C2=A0All processing/ looping/ reco= rding > done in Ableton Live in real time, no pre-recorded material or post > overdubs. =C2=A0Thanks for listening. - Paul > http://soundcloud.com/r369improv I like those recordings very much. Thanks for posting! Do you play out in public as well with this kind of stuff? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 01:02:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57A57183474; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012140192 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-14_14:2010-12-14,2010-12-14,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <98586883-DC1F-4C3B-A61B-FF98F37639B4@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: Subject: Re: soundcloud guitar looping files Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:02:45 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Per; Thanks. Yes, I try to get out as much as possible - usually once a month art gallery gig (flutes/guitar/laptop) and a regular Sat. morning bookstore gig (acoustic guitar trio improv). If the weather's nice, I'll do the occasional street musician/ "practice in public" thing in the small mountain town I live in. On Dec 14, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Paul Mimlitsch > wrote: >> Just created a Soundcloud account for music postings and uploaded a >> couple >> guitar and low range recorder tracks. All processing/ looping/ >> recording >> done in Ableton Live in real time, no pre-recorded material or post >> overdubs. Thanks for listening. - Paul >> http://soundcloud.com/r369improv > > > I like those recordings very much. Thanks for posting! Do you play out > in public as well with this kind of stuff? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 01:25:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28958183478; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:mime-version :content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to:references:message-id :x-mailer; bh=3XEkWagJdFlR4f+h0F6AVBlHFfy5ceuqgxczZb9S68U=; b=XWzhatD7x6bbFzj3JhP37Wn2pyAHB48Ik1MGElxRaIceTHrCNP1tgYNPnL7S30Aq+h S4Bkh8Nfm9Cak2UdhaeAeAl5OZMwx9ML9hPW83cycNv9wRdpL17O0R1UYyeYN/KRulcI umWdJbWul1OkCZsoYnaQqqmpHZyMCpYItArrk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; b=FFxURasfoaKzZxYN+TCuG9chECTk3UhbU5mIIfAjqhLzSRfaev2GT5TYfPnS+kPOAh s6gIBr72ZP1uBRMDdhRYyml0cqhAiVNWjW+ChPkPa6qlh31wlcVZBFFqhlOreFQoXKX9 Vj+2SDjVeAESyiGoAtlcFQEoGVhahHyfH9sMg= From: Todd Matthews Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-536496915 Subject: Re: soundcloud guitar looping files Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:25:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:25:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-536496915 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I really liked guitarscape1. Nice work! On Dec 14, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Just created a Soundcloud account for music postings and uploaded a = couple guitar and low range recorder tracks. All processing/ looping/ = recording done in Ableton Live in real time, no pre-recorded material or = post overdubs. Thanks for listening. - Paul >=20 > << r369improv's sounds on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your = sounds for free >> >=20 >=20 Todd Matthews http://www.joshuasteelemusic.com --Apple-Mail-1-536496915 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = really liked guitarscape1. Nice = work!




On = Dec 14, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote:

Just created a Soundcloud = account for music postings and uploaded a couple guitar and low range = recorder tracks.  All processing/ looping/ recording done in = Ableton Live in real time, no pre-recorded material or post overdubs. =  Thanks for listening. - Paul



= --Apple-Mail-1-536496915-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 02:48:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0731183479; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_weqe8rfmgwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=th37UYFht1vPzyC8H80A:9 a=PB48LKvfenZRnm_Bj68AR5lXdZoA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: soundcloud guitar looping files Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:48:05 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Nice, different, certainly, but nice. On Dec 14, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Just created a Soundcloud account for music postings and uploaded a > couple guitar and low range recorder tracks. All processing/ > looping/ recording done in Ableton Live in real time, no pre- > recorded material or post overdubs. Thanks for listening. - Paul > > << r369improv's sounds on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your > sounds for free >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 02:51:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55C8418347A; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D082D20.2000909@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:51:12 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FRO DIDDLY CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:51:21 +0000 (UTC) FRO DIDDLY wrote: > > While we're on the topic, any recommendations on other free plug-ins / > websites would be greatly appreciated. I moderate a site at www.tribe.net called Audio Plugin Junkies Annonymous that is devoted to freeware and shareware plugins. http://PLUGINS.tribe.net/ Tribe.net sadly, is a shell of it's former self but there have been close to 1,000 people on that particular tribe including several pro VST developers (and some familiar faces from L.D.) and all the archives are there where there are literally hundreds of free VST, AU, TDM and other plugins mentioned. I have NOT updated it in a couple of years at least and VST production (which parenthetically still runs heavily in favor of the PC vs. MAC operating systems) has just mushroomed so I imagine there are hundreds of cool new VSTs out their that are either free or inexpensive. Just put freeware VST Plugins into Google or any good search engine and plan to take the night off downloading things, and the next month off learning how to use them. Good luck, if I can be of assistance, Fro, just let me know. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 02:58:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E000183478; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:58:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D082EDD.5030206@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:58:37 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Adler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: help please! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:58:45 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Rob Adler wrote: > record and then > trigger a sample and only have it play back once, and only when i step > on the pedal. what i do is play a note or phrase, sample it, and then > play it back while i play something else over the top of it. The Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper which will be officially available for purchase by this year's NAMM show (January 13-16) has three modes of retriggering a sample: 1) retrigger (one shot) which is the mode you request, Rob 2) retrigger (continuous) which is a mode I added precisely to enable a looper to retrigger to keep a non-looping band in sync with the loops created 3) retrigger (random) which is a mode I designed (and I don't believe it exists in any loopers available with the exception, possibly of custom one's designed in Max/MSP Every time you hit retrigger, the machine will take you to a randomly different place in the loop. This function can be used to control long ambient, a-rhythmic loops so that you can create ostinato rhythms that are constantly morphing that can then be resampled with a 2nd looper. This looper had many, many other groovy functions for the price but they've been covered here a few times so I wont' bore people with the details again with the exception of mentioning that it will have midi in and out. Street price will be 3 bills (USD) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 03:15:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46346183478; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 03:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mCZLg7E5eEbETf/x7ValNHoHU3Z+cqm1UKpB7q3AN7k=; b=J//Pbm+iIAT3/WkvnO+5YBWImQt5gWFLwlpX1c2eUwzgrdMG1bV9qry4RWeY3hxfIX p0NNkXYrEIhzyl0iUmA94/gXY4VS+7ZKgcpWQWvsvd8ULWan7leJdnzaRInacnXvGQbb k9jNpvBDGc9M/YpnCGoLDPam2VWwjh7Zzb7k8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xn55TDVEx7quU4iomx5THbnmFDaQpLziO+CTwcQrEQidR3K8bzIdhxcJQh68mIKGFG bGJUVri6Xi3hSDQE6HjGvRIl38tvqbF/ECiBGOIzoD77Xj9uvlVNyqyYgeNsfOxYW6tG pyoxptu+0GRUwfKocQ9mQgMNo6xub8gWKzjcA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D082EDD.5030206@cruzio.com> References: <4D082EDD.5030206@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:15:36 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: help please! From: "^|>^m" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032557593ad91feb04976a59fa Resent-Message-ID: <6LDMAD.A.TPB.ZLDCNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 03:15:37 +0000 (UTC) --00032557593ad91feb04976a59fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >The Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper >which will be officially available for purchase by this year's NAMM show (January 13-16) Keep us updated! --00032557593ad91feb04976a59fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 >The Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper
>which will be officially available for purchase by this year's NAMM show (January 13-16)

Keep us updated!
--00032557593ad91feb04976a59fa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 03:27:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8ACB183477; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 03:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D0835B3.20609@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:27:47 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 03:27:57 +0000 (UTC) @Ted Killian tEd ® who wrote: > The Alesis Akira (and Ineko) also have a similar "Resonator" verb on it. > Wow, I own 2 Inekos and never realized that was in the program......thanks, Ted. > @jayrope who wrote: > >> There's a similar effect in Lexicon PCM 70, 80 and 81 units. I call >> it resonator. >> So run a phonographic recording or drums into it, whicle playing the >> resonating notes on a midi keyboard: lovely. >> That's so cool, I actually had tried to lobby a couple of different VST developers I know to develop a similar style of resonator, with midi keyboard control in real time of what notes in the .wav file would resonate. This would enable you to play any live loop you created..............sooooooo cool it would be. So far I haven't gotten any takers but I did purchase this VST and love it, though it is not really designed for real time play. Any iPhone/Touch/Pad developers out there want to take a stab at this? rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 03:29:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF23C18347C; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 03:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zJv3iNKBJblOC11p13kclrHOpOrTH1SHr+yno92/gZE=; b=sN24RpgCl2oNaj8wwrmZikjWEKI87clYB8Y1uH6crUoay1Cq6T5QsUJyqvtmFkTK9k MgZDVAJtpL1ktziVX1p3jsC+wpB2or/hLJfZwG6f2iSkmjyXHE5YDEd7dLshQyWBE3T9 t4Y5HhMw+dDXuKXTFaLgnXCpRpb5Y+R/ERXiQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=nNvG9a/8VQk6UnXA5OfYs1K4a9DeOuX2LPy8eArH6gtZTP6cXA+UXMjU1dV4GQK+bh rSfXWzv1BJ6TwQqRYqFmQVYAfeJHcv5VfMV/TN0IQVzI58NwkT4zPp9prP203oDu2Q2C geGkHmvQ8FYqcaIJjua/zYIxLNvzu9iJEO47M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4D082EDD.5030206@cruzio.com> References: <4D082EDD.5030206@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:29:32 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: help please! From: Clifford Novey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65b40e2aab77204976a8bd6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 03:29:33 +0000 (UTC) --0016e65b40e2aab77204976a8bd6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Reminds me of something I do with the EDP- Multiple loops with material in each then hit next loop in rhythm and as each loop is triggered you hear a snip of where it is in time- as if they were all just playing along and you were soloing each in rhythmic time on a mixer- very cool evolving results- you could set a drum machine to trigger it too- I should try that. C On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Rob Adler wrote: > >> record and then3) retrigger (random) which is a mode I designed (and I >> don't believe it exists in any loopers >> available with the exception, possibly of >> custom one's designed in Max/MSP >> Every time you hit retrigger, the machine >> will take you to a randomly different >> place in the loop. This function can be >> used to control long ambient, a-rhythmic loops >> so that you can create ostinato rhythms >> that are constantly morphing that can then >> be resampled with a 2nd looper. >> >> --0016e65b40e2aab77204976a8bd6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Reminds me of something I do with the EDP-
Multiple loops with material in each then hit next loop in rhythm and = as each loop is triggered you hear a snip of where it is in time- as if the= y were all just playing along and you were soloing each in rhythmic time on= a mixer- very cool evolving results- you could set a drum machine to trigg= er it too- I should try that.
C

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.c= om> wrote:
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Rob Adler wrote:
record and then3) =A0retrigger (= random) =A0 which is a mode I designed (and I don't believe it exists i= n any loopers
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 available w= ith the exception, possibly of custom one's designed in Max/MSP
=A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Every time you = hit retrigger, the machine will take you to a randomly different
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 place in th= e loop. =A0This function can be used to control long ambient, a-rhythmic lo= ops
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 so t= hat you can create ostinato rhythms that are constantly morphing that can t= hen
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--0016e65b40e2aab77204976a8bd6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 03:43:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAA1C18348D; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 03:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9fSOfKiKUgEkXefHsIeSjbFYTlj3+G0y1YtHnxaJ8zI=; b=bg6F1bMtbMn+yrsFpsBaQ6NrNmbGVmiHnw7HZKdHRG+Vb9WKkfNnAL54TggUw/yULD Lgkx1Ljq5NfkCZq+LzoQV7wKMWihX+DyR4v3gmlxSKjRK2FRljCDe2O7avyU2cgc+LkF oPI5Vfvlk/J3dA6QCiq7f/WwQzSP2hcOG81z0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=CpIB79nbh6asmN8UfdfC+X2bUJScDd9DMcmj851/YmBgWhaQG3UPBDWIl2pfA0RJys /giLpaueto8pCTBQHguw8PzrsxbiNB01CAnXbu6xPsNXngZcd5v/Fiu4jJbzI3VAU/kp vVJBBKVjwVovkzV/Iz18eafsmo+y3W9a2uias= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:43:14 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb From: Clifford Novey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367f9e02ac4d4904976abc05 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 03:43:16 +0000 (UTC) --0016367f9e02ac4d4904976abc05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 wait- Joe did what? held chords and say wha? Not a piano player here- how do you silently hold a chord yet have those strings un dampened to receive the sound from the sax? You couldn't get the air or the pedal sounds- that track is just facinating and beautiful to me. Oh also the album is from '71 not '72. http://www.binkie.net/wrdisc/Weather%20Report%201971.html "I silently held a chord down on the piano and had Wayne play an arpeggio of the same chord," he said, "blowing his saxophone right inside the piano at the soundboard. The tape recorder was started on the echo at the end of the sound, not when he was playing. We played different chords and edited them together. It was definitely not magic; it was an idea I had a longtime ago. I'm going to go back to this eventually. I'm going to lay my piano on its side, put bass drum pedals in different positions on the sides, and use the acoustic piano as a soundboard; it has the greatest sound body of any instrument." Joe Z C On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:52 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Clifford Novey wrote: > > One of my fav albums of all times uses this- Weather Report's first > > record- self titled from 1972. Wayne played scales on his sax into > > piano strings. Joe was giving him the scales and they edited all the > > sax out but 1 note. Incredible and I didn't know how it was done until > > much later. Joe also is doing something with the pedals you can hear > > it. > > I like that album too :-) So Joe held down the sustained chords > according to the song structure to imply the chord changes in the > piano's sax reverb! Cool. Doing that with modern electronic laptop > tools would be an exciting challenge! I imagine I would like to assign > "reverb chords" to the switches of a MIDI pedalboard to play it. Any > ideas on how to set up a signal routing that would give you this > thing? > --0016367f9e02ac4d4904976abc05 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
wait- Joe did what? held chords and say wha? Not a piano player here- = how do you silently hold a chord yet have those strings un dampened to rece= ive the sound from the sax?=A0You couldn't get the air or the pedal sou= nds- that track is just facinating and beautiful to me. Oh also the album i= s from '71 not '72.
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"I silently held a chord down on the piano and had Wayne play an = arpeggio of the same chord," he said, "blowing his saxophone righ= t inside the piano at the soundboard. The tape recorder was started on the = echo at the end of the sound, not when he was playing. We played different = chords and edited them together. It was definitely not magic; it was an ide= a I had a longtime ago. I'm going to go back to this eventually. I'= m going to lay my piano on its side, put bass drum pedals in different posi= tions on the sides, and use the acoustic piano as a soundboard; it has the = greatest sound body of any instrument." Joe Z
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:52 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.co= m> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Clifford Novey <cnovey@gmail.com> wrote:
> One = of my fav albums of all times uses this- Weather Report's first
>= record- self titled from 1972. Wayne played scales on his sax into
> piano strings. Joe was giving him the scales and they edited all the> sax out but 1 note. Incredible and I didn't know how it was done= until
> much later. Joe also is doing something with the pedals you = can hear
> it.

I like that album too :-) =A0So Joe held down the sus= tained chords
according to the song structure to imply the chord changes= in the
piano's sax reverb! Cool. Doing that with modern electronic = laptop
tools would be an exciting challenge! I imagine I would like to assign
&= quot;reverb chords" to the switches of a MIDI pedalboard to play it. A= ny
ideas on how to set up a signal routing that would give you this
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--0016367f9e02ac4d4904976abc05-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 09:21:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 565AB183477; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 540398568/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.31.89/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.31.89 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As0BAOAWCE1YbR9Z/2dsb2JhbAAMlWzQaIVKBI4F X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,347,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="540398568" Message-ID: <4D0888A1.90600@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:21:37 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: help please! References: <4D082EDD.5030206@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:21:26 +0000 (UTC) hi Clifford, that's neat, but doesn't happen exactly as you describe there. The EDP retriggers either to the beginning of the loop, or from where it was timewise when it was switched off. (it can't keep track of "where the loop would be if it was playing") ...but this doesn't make your sounds any less cool andy butler Clifford Novey wrote: > Reminds me of something I do with the EDP- > Multiple loops with material in each then hit next loop in rhythm and as > each loop is triggered you hear a snip of where it is in time- as if > they were all just playing along and you were soloing each in rhythmic > time on a mixer- very cool evolving results- you could set a drum > machine to trigger it too- I should try that. > C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 10:16:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F1FF183477; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GQZBK5HSm+kEZeS89dOHRvKEc5T7jtCUROmtpC1LOto=; b=ELzGZ+CjejY5JQIQj0/caKYwXrDeIvpRDbBguUsCwvwe9ZuiuuyNCThwdCxSe6M/Rq eN3Kkx3tVep3RznnbS6zSuhYLDWNFZHpSEZ1MmBkdMrbkrkSd5gELPtrsQybFx+uzIWS bclys8Zs5TvKZBnE2nIKL1yOXP848Y3JyI/48= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=eDJY1r39S1s2rC/lQp3j2tPupOxOIya2r9fyGuSJF4NVxL2ELgCFF1rON832tN35bb UhJzYYVYWDnZqmrZp03B36EbwV/zuVKhOp350eg9LPs9yP3bjA+SgG1Q0d82ILeYi3EZ /pXV0n5zuapf5urYm+tnyvj0o9ycHAR3erNF8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: cnovey@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4D0888A1.90600@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4D082EDD.5030206@cruzio.com> <4D0888A1.90600@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:16:28 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: help please! From: Clifford Novey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b98aaf68b100497703aea Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:16:29 +0000 (UTC) --0016363b98aaf68b100497703aea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I see. Well the effect is prob more pronounced because I always did it by hand and also the loops were usually pretty different. In any event it def creates an evolving sound that can be very cool. Cheers, C On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:21 AM, andy butler wrote: > hi Clifford, > that's neat, > but doesn't happen exactly as you describe there. > > The EDP retriggers either to the beginning of the loop, > or from where it was timewise when it was switched off. > (it can't keep track of "where the loop would be if it was playing") > > ...but this doesn't make your sounds any less cool > > andy butler > > > > Clifford Novey wrote: > >> Reminds me of something I do with the EDP- >> Multiple loops with material in each then hit next loop in rhythm and as >> each loop is triggered you hear a snip of where it is in time- as if they >> were all just playing along and you were soloing each in rhythmic time on a >> mixer- very cool evolving results- you could set a drum machine to trigger >> it too- I should try that. >> C >> > > --0016363b98aaf68b100497703aea Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I see. Well the effect is prob more pronounced because I always did it= by hand and also the loops were usually pretty different. In any event it = def creates an evolving sound that can be very cool.
Cheers,
C

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:21 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tisca= li.co.uk> wrote:
hi Clifford,
that's neat,=
but doesn't happen exactly as you describe there.

The EDP re= triggers either to the beginning of the loop,
or from where it was timewise when it was switched off.
(it can't ke= ep track of "where the loop would be if it was playing")

.= ..but this doesn't make your sounds any less cool

andy butler=20



Clifford Novey wrote:
Reminds me of something I do wit= h the EDP-
Multiple loops with material in each then hit next loop in rh= ythm and as each loop is triggered you hear a snip of where it is in time- = as if they were all just playing along and you were soloing each in rhythmi= c time on a mixer- very cool evolving results- you could set a drum machine= to trigger it too- I should try that.
C


--0016363b98aaf68b100497703aea-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 11:38:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A43FA183473; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 540477117/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.31.89/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.31.89 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As0BALA3CE1YbR9Z/2dsb2JhbAAMlW2XULk6hUoEjgWJBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,347,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="540477117" Message-ID: <4D08A8B8.7030400@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:38:32 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb References: <4D0835B3.20609@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4D0835B3.20609@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > @Ted Killian tEd ® who wrote: >> The Alesis Akira (and Ineko) also have a similar "Resonator" verb on it. >> > Wow, I own 2 Inekos and never realized that was in the > program......thanks, Ted. A lot of cheap multi-fx have a resonator program. There's generally only one frequency though, and usually it's impossible to tune accurately. Also it's sometimes possible a delay algorithm in some machines. If the exact delay is tuned thoughtfully, you can get a nice harmonic series from a single resonator. >> @jayrope who wrote: >> >>> There's a similar effect in Lexicon PCM 70, 80 and 81 units. I call >>> it resonator. >>> So run a phonographic recording or drums into it, whicle playing the >>> resonating notes on a midi keyboard: lovely. >>> > That's so cool, I actually had tried to lobby a couple of different > VST developers I know to develop a similar > style of resonator, with midi keyboard control in real time of what > notes in the .wav file would resonate. > This would enable you to play any live loop you > created..............sooooooo cool it would be. http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/index.php?p=polycomb is a real time version. I'm pretty certain there's others available, ..but then maybe I just ended browsing Oli Larkin's site several times over the years. There's some neat free stuff on his site too. > > So far I haven't gotten any takers Perhaps because the only way to earn any money at all out of a plugin is if it does something unique. (and not so unique that it's not understood) Non-commercial developers can knock something up in Bidule (or similar) much quicker and get the same sounds. You could always offer to pay a programmer to knock up a vst plugin in Synthedit. > but I did purchase this VST and love > it, though it is not really designed for > real time play. link? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 12:22:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5298183466; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 389376778/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-nildram-customers/62.3.238.4/None/nick@1957.me.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.3.238.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@1957.me.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As0BALdBCE0+A+4E/2dsb2JhbAAMlW3RIYVKBIp7gwo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,348,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="389376778" X-IP-Direction: IN From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:21:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Robinson / Wagner project released Reply-to: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4D08B2CC.25512.68B0E7@nick.1957.me.uk> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:22:00 +0000 (UTC) I've finally found a site to release an album I made with the amazing Swiss looper Bernhard Wagner, I hope some of you enjoy it... http://nickrobinson.bandcamp.com/ All the best, Nick Robinson music site : http://www.looping.me.uk myspace site : http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 13:00:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31506183466; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:00:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4qsZ8J2NCXCToo9ECquzDFBKKy7FUi5Lx2er8sjq3I4=; b=Ai5Y4e5Qtpj2v/H72Hk6CjuUiUSZV7PcyDV8uiaOIdWkmFdfy7iAcYGJXrGRoto7NM DMpTCgB/EDjEFVC/Zgfo6ZiuJMdZLwlzXR/NGGSVxQXsePn6h5g0kcw9tYHt58RruD7N jpjONK93RQxru+mqrm5k4d5U6grBXf4qtrWbo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=p3s6buQ2DFogfrtK9L2JLkDOkaAfR0D7EsNqsaxuMBiq9jnwOEbIfDKD8X2xX1bvZ8 MtFGqdhN4LL52K5yfS7Tsww4pN9ilSI0Nzf0do4y4KpLbSMYK+47I0o7jUXhSry7Bn3t SCnIHBKJp+WBuoXf0l76GXj99bT1mWQH4tcS8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D08B2CC.25512.68B0E7@nick.1957.me.uk> References: <4D08B2CC.25512.68B0E7@nick.1957.me.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:00:25 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Robinson / Wagner project released From: Fabio_A To: "" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e644d0c64f3e7704977285c3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:00:27 +0000 (UTC) --0016e644d0c64f3e7704977285c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well done, Nick, I'm listening to it right now ! It sounds really interesting how you incorporated his loops into your music. -f (...a Bernhard fan ;-) 2010/12/15 nick@12testing.net > I've finally found a site to release an album I made with the amazing > Swiss looper Bernhard Wagner, I hope some of you enjoy it... > > http://nickrobinson.bandcamp.com/ > > > > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > music site : http://www.looping.me.uk > myspace site : http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops > looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com > > > > --0016e644d0c64f3e7704977285c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well done, Nick, I'm listening to it right now !
It sounds really interesting how you incorporated his loops into your = music.
=A0
-f
(...a Bernhard fan ;-)

2010/12/15 nick@12testing.net <nick@1957.me.uk>
I've finally found a site to= release an album I made with the amazing
Swiss looper Bernhard Wagner, = I hope some of you enjoy it...

http://= nickrobinson.bandcamp.com/



All the best,

Nick Rob= inson

music site : =A0 =A0http://www.looping.me.uk
myspace site : =A0http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops
looping forum= : http:= //loopingmusic.proboards99.com




--0016e644d0c64f3e7704977285c3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 14:00:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49E3B183461; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:59:48 +0900 Subject: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb From: Dustbunnies To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb Thread-Index: AcucYFXFGAzrT5DwTq2PZMhs+Kr9hA== In-Reply-To: <4D08A8B8.7030400@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:00:34 +0000 (UTC) On 12/15/10 8:38 PM, "andy butler" wrote: > Rick Walker wrote: >> @Ted Killian tEd =AE who wrote: >>> The Alesis Akira (and Ineko) also have a similar "Resonator" verb on it= . >>>=20 >> Wow, I own 2 Inekos and never realized that was in the >> program......thanks, Ted. >=20 > A lot of cheap multi-fx have a resonator program. > There's generally only one frequency though, and usually > it's impossible to tune accurately. >=20 > Also it's sometimes possible a delay algorithm in some machines. >=20 > If the exact delay is tuned thoughtfully, you can get a nice harmonic > series from a single resonator. Actually, Alesis put a better implementation of the algorithm in the old Quadraverb Plus. That one has five resonators which can either be individually tuned each to a static value, or can be played with a keyboard via MIDI. =20 Don't know why they decided to go with only a single resonator on the Akira= , as that really is a soup-to-nuts "I'm gonna mangle this sound into incoherence" box, and a multi-resonator would be right up it's alley. Perhaps they just didn't want to expand the MIDI capability solely for that algorithm. Although they did tie the resonator to an LFO, so it's possible to have some fun by letting it sweep a given frequency spectrum, especially if you do things like tie the rate to a continuous controller. And of course, you can roll your own by using the Resonator function in Liv= e in conjunction with the verb of your choice. As I've said before, if you really want to f*ck something up, get a computer. --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 14:33:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEC9818345B; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+UlMazFodKJkvOqICBnMg2TzffNDvl22po1I9rzljSY=; b=pxtIER8zgGLislkC10uE0Qrn+qATjtLirQumlRLRTGvtbEHgZNEflkpFTtMld30aYI Gp6NeNuZG1r9u5v7JCbcmx8LmP9MqoBfQt2MMOFnkFr/pvDe9+ZJfL3RrOEE/YUB31XY l552HrRsdxTkWdEMRVeTDVwN0uzcoh/fmmLWk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=n+yCXD58wf8lH7jgxI6CIwvXB6Yxz5vJDueXM2tk/rli08hU2G7aUgr/t45rkRnDM7 r09h882oA9l7/0F8p6q82N8G37LCI7CZhs5Vy4/oB/Efmt8RM9QKnApt1gF4tMw7vTBX XT6UCYNUWnBeFrO/ZUnTp0QbOg2JJqXeGKj6A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:33:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Freeze-verb (Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <3Gk_d.A.e4D.7GNCNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:33:31 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:59 PM, everybody wrote: > resonator It's funny how discussions on this list evolves. I like that! But I think I need to better explain why I like the PSP Pianoverb plug-in so much. I actually like it because it can be set to NOT sound like a resonators system. I also like that it occupies less CPU power then a convolution reverb. Another "reverb" I like is actually a software simulation of a tape delay, EchoBoy from SoundToys. I set it up as a super short tape loop with almost infinite feedback and a little frequency cut off at high and low bands. This is the "reverb" I use when playing live. I also use it as a playable "freeze-verb" by assigning an expression pedal and a sustain pedal (over MIDI) to the EchoBoy's feedback parameter. People talk about "scapes" when hearing it but it really is as simple as this tape delay sim plugin with a control pedal for the feedback. What is cool is that it doesn't freeze totally - like for example Eos does - and thanks to this and the small cutoffs the sound cloud "rotates" slowly when you freeze a note. The first good "freeze reverb" I heard was an Eventide box used by the French keyboard player that toured with Jon Hassell in the eighties. I have forgotten his name but he has been on this list (dude, are you here?). Very cool sounding! Then I discovered that the built-in reverb of Ableton Live sounded similar. But I don't want to use Live so I unsuccessfully looked around a lot more until I finally found this EchoBoy plugin. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 15:09:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3028B18345A; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 421145.71697.bm@omp1002.mail.ird.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=DdgddrulgbW+58GGcToMwxMC81ZNOgFdMaUDl/3a+L7KtCq6dCTaGaO2eJC5r2aD2a4S71q8BR/9L2DUWShZ3M5F+GVt5x3w91L0Ud7R/4/+GfgfyRRBscOdXqzhZq1kLhr8rnFh/IXaCqffixCpfcbxYYrxQvhONyZkOBdIn70= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1292425766; bh=ldZgbVZQXGk+kzlf4PN9UNVpPtYREAyhZo1LFXpj5so=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=yhlhXqibtBa5P+yDqPn3CzCUszKqi+9CNsWvEpSbDP4/HgjOlV1tx2CGcmtNatAfwhakrUab4zBVt0Ia0ovE/ZlTuu2S4tAVlI0c1vUNmO+yPy0CNZ6W6hjzmPjbccbOvRopLJUoxTS/Y3iWy98EAnzGWDA0HPoFG+UBW6Xv0Io= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: EmQJcPgVM1nW6xh2EpXauNLFP03JlxUA_CGjnaq84QGrfxF XqKXr8EGAYsOzaLYa.HIU2ptcw8af0TzHskcr7JxIAz_8zPCw8bVEHe.Ta5K pXpnWwh0..kWVsqSsLm14.Qb64fA9P1oAcflsoCqcDPgJLobaDi3q2igGrg1 SMkCDY9qR7HsP8nd_ofAJO6.7x6laMAnCHsFEO.hj2Pid8P6S1zELVMFQht0 qPDo0MCEHNTQ7s1HiNywzT3rh5lmwYgTgDvlcD3M_rtRIuDUt06WIi2aPP.R C8esM001jrcHwWg.O0U7.OBtEQDhwDOuz.kY- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <786643C7-B1EA-4965-BE66-1CA3D94B74A5@btinternet.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-26-585944259 From: Matt Stevens Subject: New track featuring Andy Butler Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:09:16 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:09:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-26-585944259 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed I would imagine mr B will be too modest to mention it but as he is =20 one of my favorite musicians i feel we should all know about this on =20 the Burning Tree site: Postcards =46rom Space Factory Days (live improv, 02/06/06) (download) Reilly's Revenge.... Sounding like Darkroom's acid-soaked older brother, Factory Days is a =20= 25 minute improvised piece. Recorded live during a support to The Durutti Column in June 2006, =20 this marked the first time Tim Bowness (vocals, vocal loops), =20 Alistair Murphy (organ, analogue synth) and Andy Butler (guitar, =20 guitar loops) had played together as a trio. Organ drones, impassioned vocals, cosmic synths and treated guitar =20 solos abound. Echoes of early Pink Floyd, Tangerine Dream and Ashra =20 creep into a digital-age loop experience, and an England football =20 megaphone is put to use outside of shouting, "Come on, Crouchy!" The title comes from an after show comment when a drunken member of =20 the audience approached Tim (N.B. Not 6'5" tall, anorexic, dark-=20 haired, or a guitarist), and said, "Vini, you were great man. I =20 haven't seen you since your Factory days." Mistaken identity has =20 rarely been so mistaken. This exclusive download is available for =A31.50. Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com --Apple-Mail-26-585944259 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would imagine mr B will be too modest to mention it but as he is one = of my favorite musicians i feel we should all know about this on the = Burning Tree site:

=

Postca= rds =46rom Space

Factor= y Days (live improv, 02/06/06) (download)


Reilly's = Revenge....

= Sounding like Darkroom's acid-soaked older brother, Factory Days is a 25 = minute improvised piece.

Recorded live during a support to = The Durutti Column in June 2006, this marked the first time Tim Bowness = (vocals, vocal loops), Alistair Murphy (organ, analogue synth) and Andy = Butler (guitar, guitar loops) had played together as a trio.
=
Organ drones, impassioned vocals, cosmic synths and treated guitar = solos abound. Echoes of early Pink Floyd, Tangerine Dream and Ashra = creep into a digital-age loop experience, and an England football = megaphone is put to use outside of shouting, "Come on, Crouchy!"
=
The title comes from an after show comment when a drunken member = of the audience approached Tim (N.B. Not 6'5" tall, anorexic, = dark-haired, or a guitarist), and said, "Vini, you were great man. I = haven't seen you since your Factory days." Mistaken identity has rarely = been so mistaken.

This exclusive download is available for = =A31.50.

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




= --Apple-Mail-26-585944259-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 18:21:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E2EC18345A; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:21:09 UTC Message-ID: From: "boost" To: References: <786643C7-B1EA-4965-BE66-1CA3D94B74A5@btinternet.com> Subject: jamming with myself Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:14:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CB9C8C.4F673730" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101215-1, 15/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 396879719061044914 X-Ovh-Remote: 81.220.209.20 (ip-20.net-81-220-209.rev.numericable.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.509507/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:21:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CB9C8C.4F673730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable another video, alone this time. hope you'll enjoy it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlOArZUm3hHs boost ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CB9C8C.4F673730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
another video, alone this = time.
hope you'll enjoy it
http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DlOArZUm3hHs
boost
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CB9C8C.4F673730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 19:12:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDBC3183459; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:12:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KoeqXdxzDNlf5MdU3nwRMK4E1zbcdgOJVYoI24hgmSs=; b=t3UFjREAf6PliwbnoBLZNGlzmxIAVc73kiSuXFY1OCVnc77PAYLC32tCjzXGFBzTxs M2bTbCl/0JjivCYggUFDHNrej8KBm836dIx8drHWJWdq0FqfC0EzR4numOZ3ulBo6hSP L8gk87pVS1TL4LoGfQHrlFjUWK8QDGodH+DP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=IxhUoTxxcJ3p5i7HpckUWYhN1OCsh0KWNjiZSJ8WZTai6VaZ1iaKs27QBqbW7OfI5u sNwd8Z8cQOejUddRWVDFIV5YNagGfer1/AyBRtxBiOkJo/cErYY+bQYcHqN92UT9LOJT FbqHqsTLGVesCQVTnldTBLrKF/t/geRKOXoeM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:12:18 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e644bc4441ec87049777b7d4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:12:20 +0000 (UTC) --0016e644bc4441ec87049777b7d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This article is about the album from 2008 by Travis and Fripp, called "Thread", They wrote: "The advent of digital sampling and looping technologies facilitated the expansion of Frippertronics into Soundscapes, a remarkable one-man improvisational orchestra documented on albums including *Love Cannot Bear*(DGMLive, 2005) and *At the End of Time* (DGMLive, 2007). Fripp has also employed Soundscapes on numerous guest appearances, most notably on woodwind multi-instrumentalist Theo Travis' *Double Talk* (33 Jazz, 2007), where abstract ambience and more definitive pulse, at times, intersected. With Travis' own electronically rigged System of Ambitronics, it was only a matter of time before the two musicians joined up for a session of music where technological sound sculpting marries seamlessly with the intimate interaction of the improvising duo. *Thread* is the result." What I want to point out is that here the "tool" is not "looping" (the article defines it just like a "technology"), but "Frippertronics", "Soundscapes" or "Ambitronics". ...and I think that: - "Frippertronics" is just a "name" that Fripp had given to the Tape reel system that Eno showed him in 1972 - "Soundscapes" are just looped sounds and musical phrases evolving over time; - "Ambitronics" seems to be (for what I discovered searching on google) just another looping system, personalized by T. Travis while it seems self-evident to me that it's just "looping". ...Or do I have to call my "customized" set-up "fabiotronics" ? I'm interested to know what do you think about those terms and how they use them in that context. the entire article is here: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=30224 -f --0016e644bc4441ec87049777b7d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0
This article is about the album from 2008 by Travis and Fripp, called = "Thread",
=A0
They wrote:
"The advent of digital sampling and looping technologies facilita= ted the expansion of Frippertronics into Soundscapes, a remarkable one-man = improvisational orchestra documented on albums including Love Cannot Bear (DGMLive, 2005) and At the End of Time (DGM= Live, 2007). Fripp has also employed Soundscapes on numerous guest appearan= ces, most notably on woodwind multi-instrumentalist Theo Travis' Double Talk (33 Jazz, 2007)= , where abstract ambience and more definitive pulse, at times, intersected.= With Travis' own electronically rigged System of Ambitronics, it was o= nly a matter of time before the two musicians joined up for a session of mu= sic where technological sound sculpting marries seamlessly with the intimat= e interaction of the improvising duo. Thread is the result."<= /div>
=A0
What I want to point out is that here the "tool" is not &quo= t;looping" (the article defines it just like a "technology")= , but "Frippertronics", "Soundscapes" or "Ambitron= ics".
...and I think that:
- "Frippertronics" is just a "name" that Fripp had= given to the Tape reel system that Eno showed him in 1972
- "Soundscapes"=A0are just looped sounds and musical phrases= evolving over time;
- "Ambitronics" seems to be (for what I discovered searching= on google) just another looping system, personalized by T. Travis
while it seems self-evident to me that it's just "looping&quo= t;.
...Or do I have to call my "customized" set-up "fabiotr= onics" ?
=A0
I'm interested to know what do you think about those terms and how= they use them in that context.
=A0
the entire article is here:
--0016e644bc4441ec87049777b7d4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 19:25:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AE8F183461; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=QzGDAOlbZhVp5GAq7+NdzN3qOzTQD7UjyxpjA4AFJos=; b=RYm/BZCYfxBQzl3w8IcDzeaYs6o8lCwqLr9IaumWvO/wTMzuU27jv14cwwHwowJD9G 9phXKLHhhqCcRUSbqW0SONkyT1OsBCGNw19AHtw/v0cC6HvZ1l1F7zdcND7ecH9nwpn7 2RwX49n4LQut6OmRzTxrDaOq048bzyMW9DlsY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=pzFSwwOmNZSuBSAvFT4MmUXr5JPd0hgwHGmVqD7Sq0r0RQq3X+HXbt6lZJR0g2NPNj NCIyIvwT/LJ7klUH04qZBIVIYiHikO3a0Nujre5m+PHo9O1A9yUCQU6GJazx4OwBDGro oOVe+i1WYMbX8Ab8OyQdv2rhX5ViC8BRv4vcg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:24:38 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zTcX4_eaLBlmqEJK2HJCLYEKpaQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8f3a8e518e049777e46a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:24:59 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8f3a8e518e049777e46a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Fabio_A wrote: > ...Or do I have to call my "customized" set-up "fabiotronics" ? Yes you do... Mine is called Francotronics.. -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8f3a8e518e049777e46a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com> wrote:
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...Or do I have to call my "customized" set-up "fabiotronics= " ?

Yes you do... Mine is called Francotronics..=

--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @ma= rkfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/use= r825094
http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e8f3a8e518e049777e46a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 19:26:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03C8818345B; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NWyTV2rexOZ/KVhaypHiQLpkROlJb5rPdWbeFm9wGgk=; b=ASAZbVjkpy+qZjo00ErvwwV8OeJzPfP3m8Z93v4jsoItktEaPzXEjgVkFEqKE8yMse xQ8FJnV/CgitCZ5ffQqZwbfe2xlcVQ6NjKv+RoTRKlg4XwjPkMmLV/SpTsl/tgpLLvIJ Ka7aImKqb9lsD9TYC6LF7Ugzpnv1P79084SMc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xxjE6vsdYBlvJ1GZZkoA5QbP1GJGRURqWvZEIVxs6BWOeLDUlNHRfi4PW4aEorlPuA l/grUfhmvWJO2hvfEE+aTCx9nKt7AdcMJW3xHB1m+AN6TpC39PsM/dK5omnAyGnp4QHU r4my43kS4ohPwqK5wuis984elQg8SNTekZqNA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:26:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:26:52 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Fabio_A wrote: > ...Or do I have to call my "customized" set-up "fabiotronics" ? How about "Anileations"? ;-)) To be serious, I think those -tronics and - scapes names are to be seen as branding in a marketing perspective. "Looping" is a less exciting word and these guys were just clever to pick something with better public appeal. I agree with you that as a technical/musical description "looping" is the most accurate. But music consumers don't look for accurate descriptions of what the artists are doing, they just look for some magic to elevate the sense of being alive. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 19:28:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90D3F183466; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bJ3ZKN9z7cabgEBxRJ0lZoUV9HKpQFdeakaK0naCj+o=; b=WG6l05kmMP0N/vM7Hy4LiIuOKoQb5MCBRt7k8iK0HEK7uXvsCpV735ju70rKQGDGLS g3DmwqdQx2sBcvki8OobIStwzrAHJtXOc/bPuK/67S81pvrqa4LIUV93V95+Ca/AIhu+ eSKV7GHb8SQSucjykR/9hXG7GjfotjRrwOet4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=X2GsxmW7L9LUtqO3+6KVL5zTeZtAbTMQflvsVR2CHn8P5LnPz8mL2CwadCWGhXl3F0 lWM1vaa0X+yAuh5sgxjppYOCHbj0AL7B6hJfcWQw5bf2+Rt/zlhkbXwEdQKisQ9enuRq NrWoNZg0bSKd4RPflRvnPhCi/03m7kILzdRyg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:28:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:28:17 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Yes you do... Mine is called Francotronics.. LOL! Good luck with touring in Spain! ;-)) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 19:33:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A612183473; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=rwlIhz8VT2yejzLog3SxHaOvp471LsqO8H74v2tyZGc=; b=yCMbopgHkkTQI8RFGFDHoPfjTlKDWX+nKOwGm7fkklmpJYW5QiQMRO68wzabdmtBW1 hvcaFXSnLBvp5XE4enSfW8a9+uW25cMnMDp/khHUdb4FrjjeF24FQn1qZf6vZUTIqTFU db/OzYufkH/C58JLFx1Nu6vvhQI3i6SJObZnY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=pI2KccuUd4eRVmwGpmPt14oKGZGP7MpOGf3NVosi6udXa3r6DzylQi3aHncT/E79WD 7GOtGdBNtzUdEX7gg3gB0EpD8Iw+pI4ohYv99u2S1m15NMJ7pVrPzvWSn3hBmQm93GnT /0L6HptbtYu5cZhoWtWjvTL0YnkWK6imffysA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:32:55 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Ia21cSecicQT3wt-U293YAFSuIE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054aa2f39354a0497780211 Resent-Message-ID: <3HzU2B.A.YRH.QgRCNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:33:36 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054aa2f39354a0497780211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Its OK, theres no gigs in Spain... unless you are in a Swedish danceband... playing to all the Norwegian pensioners who move there to die... anything you want to tell us Per? On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Yes you do... Mine is called Francotronics.. > > LOL! Good luck with touring in Spain! ;-)) > > Per > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --20cf3054aa2f39354a0497780211 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its OK, theres no gigs in Spain... unless you are in a Swedish danceband...= playing to all the Norwegian pensioners who move there to die... anything = you want to tell us Per?

On Wed, Dec 15, = 2010 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Yes you do... Mine is called Francotronics..

LOL! Good luck with touring in Spain! ;-))

Per




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www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markf= rancombe
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--20cf3054aa2f39354a0497780211-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 19:43:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DF73183476; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=++Lkgxu9VpqZUXe7sE4yNBqtwg/FhHCL6C5zpDl69pA=; b=cG9RKJyd1rhto6KxO0aUXcCzhMjUIbgVYs7QQMElyVz9e1tlY5V+wLKlI94ouwLKHR 2nGWVnNTY/PGFjpyfJ7UmFmfR2/OeDdsxQaU3iAjyK6gaCWgA15O6I1qeXGM+xd39Od/ ph4DssD4tAJs9Xa/+id4Zt3/meOvptZ5HXWtE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZeGCzgI5AYn+bMFOk7+9V32zsMJNURKbL9Zw6qUYxmWigb32TuoGJFp5yA+Tb6RPxh nICaeA0jrbkNB87NVvqSI2y3QPqqQWlnNiDyK9K4b2ZYnE4BK80FgWhXPiwqivaWk5t2 pBMUoRHUd/X/RGenUXpSqul2H7R5BXvMqsVs0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:42:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:42:59 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:32 PM, mark francombe wrote: > no gigs in Spain... I know this thread is in joke mode right now but fact is a Swedish stoner band I know says Spain is their best audience! I was amazed to hear, but must believe what they are saying cause they go there all the time. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 20:39:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DC97183466; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_af4c513d-2f64-4191-b71d-1e73485c1ea0_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:39:42 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2010 20:39:42.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[3359B430:01CB9C98] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:39:44 +0000 (UTC) --_af4c513d-2f64-4191-b71d-1e73485c1ea0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've always thought that not only does "Frippertronics" sound naff but the = fact that he didn't discover it makes it unwarranted to boot. =20 peace =20 g =20 Date: Wed=2C 15 Dec 2010 20:12:18 +0100 Subject: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) From: eterogenus@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =20 This article is about the album from 2008 by Travis and Fripp=2C called "Th= read"=2C=20 =20 They wrote: "The advent of digital sampling and looping technologies facilitated the ex= pansion of Frippertronics into Soundscapes=2C a remarkable one-man improvis= ational orchestra documented on albums including Love Cannot Bear (DGMLive= =2C 2005) and At the End of Time (DGMLive=2C 2007). Fripp has also employed= Soundscapes on numerous guest appearances=2C most notably on woodwind mult= i-instrumentalist Theo Travis' Double Talk (33 Jazz=2C 2007)=2C where abstr= act ambience and more definitive pulse=2C at times=2C intersected. With Tra= vis' own electronically rigged System of Ambitronics=2C it was only a matte= r of time before the two musicians joined up for a session of music where t= echnological sound sculpting marries seamlessly with the intimate interacti= on of the improvising duo. Thread is the result." =20 What I want to point out is that here the "tool" is not "looping" (the arti= cle defines it just like a "technology")=2C but "Frippertronics"=2C "Sounds= capes" or "Ambitronics". ...and I think that: - "Frippertronics" is just a "name" that Fripp had given to the Tape reel s= ystem that Eno showed him in 1972 - "Soundscapes" are just looped sounds and musical phrases evolving over ti= me=3B - "Ambitronics" seems to be (for what I discovered searching on google) jus= t another looping system=2C personalized by T. Travis while it seems self-evident to me that it's just "looping". ...Or do I have to call my "customized" set-up "fabiotronics" ? =20 I'm interested to know what do you think about those terms and how they use= them in that context. =20 the entire article is here: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D30224 =20 -f = --_af4c513d-2f64-4191-b71d-1e73485c1ea0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've always thought that not only does "Frippertronics" sound naff but the = fact that he didn't discover it makes it =3Bunwarranted to boot.
 =3B
peace
 =3B
g
 =3B
Date: Wed=2C 15 Dec 2010 20:12:18 +0100
Subject: Travis &=3B Fripp (a= n article about looping ?)
From: eterogenus@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com

 =3B
This article is about the album from 2008 by Travis and Fripp=2C calle= d "Thread"=2C
 =3B
They wrote:
"The advent of digital sampling and looping technologies facilitated t= he expansion of Frippertronics into Soundscapes=2C a remarkable one-man imp= rovisational orchestra documented on albums including Love Cannot Bear (DGMLive=2C 2005) = and At the End of Time<= /EM> (DGMLive=2C 2007). Fripp has also employed Soundscapes on numerous= guest appearances=2C most notably on woodwind multi-instrumentalist Theo T= ravis' Double Talk= (33 Jazz=2C 2007)=2C where abstract ambience and more definitive pulse= =2C at times=2C intersected. With Travis' own electronically rigged System = of Ambitronics=2C it was only a matter of time before the two musicians joi= ned up for a session of music where technological sound sculpting marries s= eamlessly with the intimate interaction of the improvising duo. Thread<= /EM> is the result."
 =3B
What I want to point out is that here the "tool" is not "looping" (the= article defines it just like a "technology")=2C but "Frippertronics"=2C "S= oundscapes" or "Ambitronics".
...and I think that:
- "Frippertronics" is just a "name" that Fripp had given to the Tape r= eel system that Eno showed him in 1972
- "Soundscapes" =3Bare just looped sounds and musical phrases evol= ving over time=3B
- "Ambitronics" seems to be (for what I discovered searching on google= ) just another looping system=2C personalized by T. Travis
while it seems self-evident to me that it's just "looping".
...Or do I have to call my "customized" set-up "fabiotronics" ?
 =3B
I'm interested to know what do you think about those terms and how the= y use them in that context.
 =3B
the entire article is here:
= --_af4c513d-2f64-4191-b71d-1e73485c1ea0_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 20:43:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93FBE18345B; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D0928D5.2040500@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:45:09 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: S/PDIF on cardbus or firewire? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Anyone know of a cardbus (34/54) or firewire S/PDIF in+out interface? Wordclock sync would be nice too, but probable too much to ask for, which means the clock should be stable enough to be without the sync (assuming whatever is at the other end is also good enough). Alternatively an interface with both line-out (for active speakers) and the S/PDIF, either as cardbus or firewire. If such things exists, I assume it's be in the shape of an interfacing card with a breakout box, which will be just fine. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 20:49:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8A6D183466; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Db2Yw7qeQiNcIP2HFnDVQsukuINncQIr5PD536f40jk=; b=R/NXGh4Zql0B0wq726d3W1EPhYFUiZaurqV9ePVkruUqXzN9bcuTLNqEVdNkTPAKqH Ih5LVYwvdrs5NU/+69LfbQkVhQademhsMvZwyNQjDLaGCquE9/NrIWA+wNVBS1soGtXA 1oL1lIL8+kiZ0Esvy0n33wIPzAirVzIzKP1Mo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=qW+hQqVtUwe6laMBTrGcXtkigY48mQj9fbsfT55dBXm3tPEK2SzzIQppLmPjD+Evtt QPEwJSHbMG1mPk38ffuy8jFkQN9rK4LLYH6iM50QCij3oDE4T064be6mCC+xDJEeUNJW b+f36y27//zj2qmtLKenK4O3wdwSBEvKQofAU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:48:52 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: eqa-hgv-Jp-QaDUgEEn6HN-fr_A Message-ID: Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e81aacf87d004977911f2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:49:13 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e81aacf87d004977911f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow, thats so cool.. I have to say that I LOVE Spain as a country, and would love to live in the Catalan area, but almost never played there... only when supporting the Cure did we ever make it there.. To be honest, its not that Spain has (I should say had.. I have no idea now) a particularly bad music scene, its that France has (had) a terrible music scene, and apart from Paris, Lille and .... there I ran out... So on a tour schedule its not possible roputing wise to drive through France, do Spain and come back, unless theres some seriously long drives or missed days (bad for biz) Mark On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:32 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > no gigs in Spain... > > I know this thread is in joke mode right now but fact is a Swedish > stoner band I know says Spain is their best audience! I was amazed to > hear, but must believe what they are saying cause they go there all > the time. > > Per > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e81aacf87d004977911f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, thats so cool.. I have to say that I LOVE Spain as a country, and woul= d love to live in the Catalan area, but almost never played there... only w= hen supporting the Cure did we ever make it there..

To be honest, i= ts not that Spain has (I should say had.. I have no idea now) a particularl= y bad music scene, its that France has (had) a terrible music scene, and ap= art from Paris, Lille and .... there I ran out... So on a tour schedule its= not possible roputing wise to drive through France, do Spain and come back= , unless theres some seriously long drives or missed days (bad for biz)

Mark

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:42 PM,= Per Boysen <pe= rboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:32 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> no gigs in Spain...

I know this thread is in joke mode right now but fact is a Swedish
stoner band I know says Spain is their best audience! I was amazed to
hear, but must believe what they are saying cause they go there all
the time.

Per




--
mark francombewww.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markf= rancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e81aacf87d004977911f2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 20:53:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B57D183474; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=HOT+rqS4hwNskRsqa2rc3IfUARJ7r67XIheqQSZEiPw=; b=DlZEYgZKJT8AHHgOQcSEvRYQ48nJt3mjMXP3N/CKmyij2D4V58spHHHtt8dCdrARaf WmhETvENNFiC/B5SKXUOCLI1+PhZ7dDFtUN0p/lPygEA2cSxviR/9GibgF5T3QN3pKJb ceaB50kJ91LQdbLrx7Tm942T4KsjSHMTXmR48= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=kP0wQ9rgWxL+pDIoiEVUmG9i/YlFl1+VYd+cjssdGU9R3Q1frnn2MievNBeey90ZE4 kOYFqp+HVKNhm6Z5Cpzokfuax2lPLBMvc6j/7SzeeDocSCfnTpu6rohffhO+xXG3yiL8 R9umxB+VDmuLI687nNWBPq2pt//EkUCiy30Zo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:53:07 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: M2mW4MbiYDk2dvvfuVJ8RBJ6BZ0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8f3a064301049779217f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:53:28 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8f3a064301049779217f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ... and I agree with Gareth that the term Frippertronics sounds naff, but nowadays, I dont really mind "naff" so much.. For christs sake the guy is married to Toyah.. I sure as hell dont know if thats a good or bad thing, but its definitely a bit naff! --90e6ba6e8f3a064301049779217f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... and I agree with Gareth that the term Frippertronics sounds naff, but n= owadays, I dont really mind "naff" so much.. For christs sake the= guy is married to Toyah.. I sure as hell dont know if thats a good or bad = thing, but its definitely a bit naff!
--90e6ba6e8f3a064301049779217f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 20:54:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 371CD183475; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D092B54.1050007@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:55:48 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: SMproaudio V-machine, anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Anyone in here using the SMproaudio V-Machine? If so, I'd like comments on usage, flexibility and stability.. I'm thinking of using this with convolution/IM plugin for guitar finalization (not for reverbs), preferably to be able to stack two IM's for semi wall-of-sound imitations, plus running a looper. As I understand the specs, it's OS should allow bus'ing and mixing sound sources. It's possible this is only possible in the yet to be released V-Rack.. The looping isn't intended as really fancy, just one or two phrases, with the ability to auto-size those to match the total phrase length, plus either being able to set a fixed or a programmable fade-out. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 21:24:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 327F8183466; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0a9f71f9-8241-4e80-9438-6393d0d6f8a6_" X-Originating-IP: [166.205.136.36] From: FRO DIDDLY To: Subject: RE: Freeze-verb (Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:24:14 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2010 21:24:14.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C719520:01CB9C9E] Resent-Message-ID: <2CSXT.A.gcD.BITCNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:24:17 +0000 (UTC) --_0a9f71f9-8241-4e80-9438-6393d0d6f8a6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks bill! I will definitley start my journey at your page. I've still go= t a week on the road..... Can't wait to play with my toys again.=20 And Ty per for the tip. I've always been enthralled by your verbage. Cheers=20 > Date: Wed=2C 15 Dec 2010 15:33:30 +0100 > Subject: Freeze-verb (Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy lo= opers) PSP Pianoverb) > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > On Wed=2C Dec 15=2C 2010 at 2:59 PM=2C everybody wrote: > > resonator >=20 >=20 > It's funny how discussions on this list evolves. I like that! But I > think I need to better explain why I like the PSP Pianoverb plug-in so > much. I actually like it because it can be set to NOT sound like a > resonators system. I also like that it occupies less CPU power then a > convolution reverb. >=20 > Another "reverb" I like is actually a software simulation of a tape > delay=2C EchoBoy from SoundToys. I set it up as a super short tape loop > with almost infinite feedback and a little frequency cut off at high > and low bands. This is the "reverb" I use when playing live. I also > use it as a playable "freeze-verb" by assigning an expression pedal > and a sustain pedal (over MIDI) to the EchoBoy's feedback parameter. > People talk about "scapes" when hearing it but it really is as simple > as this tape delay sim plugin with a control pedal for the feedback. > What is cool is that it doesn't freeze totally - like for example Eos > does - and thanks to this and the small cutoffs the sound cloud > "rotates" slowly when you freeze a note. >=20 > The first good "freeze reverb" I heard was an Eventide box used by the > French keyboard player that toured with Jon Hassell in the eighties. I > have forgotten his name but he has been on this list (dude=2C are you > here?). Very cool sounding! Then I discovered that the built-in reverb > of Ableton Live sounded similar. But I don't want to use Live so I > unsuccessfully looked around a lot more until I finally found this > EchoBoy plugin. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 = --_0a9f71f9-8241-4e80-9438-6393d0d6f8a6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks bill! I will definitley start my journey a= t your page. I've still got a week on the road..... Can't wait to play with= my toys again.

And Ty per for the tip. I've always been enthralled= by your verbage.

Cheers

> Date:=3B Wed=2C 15 Dec 2010 15= :=3B33:=3B30 +=3B0100
> Subject:=3B Freeze-verb (=3BRe= 8=3B Tip on a great free reverb plugin (=3Bfor lappy loopers)=3B PSP = Pianoverb)=3B
> From:=3B perboysen@=3Bgmail.com
> To:=3B = Loopers-Delight@=3Bloopers-delight.com
>
> On Wed=2C Dec 15=2C 20= 10 at 2:=3B59 PM=2C everybody wrote:=3B
> >=3B resonator
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> It'=3Bs funny how discussions on this list evolves. I like th= at!=3B But I
> think I need to better explain why I like the PSP Pian= overb plug-in so
> much. I actually like it because it can be set to NOT= sound like a
> resonators system. I also like that it occupies less CPU= power then a
> convolution reverb.
>
> Another "=3Breverb"= =3B I like is actually a software simulation of a tape
> delay=2C EchoBo= y from SoundToys. I set it up as a super short tape loop
> with almost i= nfinite feedback and a little frequency cut off at high
> and low bands.= This is the "=3Breverb"=3B I use when playing live. I also
> use = it as a playable "=3Bfreeze-verb"=3B by assigning an expression pedal=
> and a sustain pedal (=3Bover MIDI)=3B to the EchoBoy'=3Bs fe= edback parameter.
> People talk about "=3Bscapes"=3B when hearing = it but it really is as simple
> as this tape delay sim plugin with a con= trol pedal for the feedback.
> What is cool is that it doesn'=3Bt fre= eze totally - like for example Eos
> does - and thanks to this and the s= mall cutoffs the sound cloud
> "=3Brotates"=3B slowly when you fre= eze a note.
>
> The first good "=3Bfreeze reverb"=3B I heard w= as an Eventide box used by the
> French keyboard player that toured with= Jon Hassell in the eighties. I
> have forgotten his name but he has bee= n on this list (=3Bdude=2C are you
> here?=3B)=3B. Very cool so= unding!=3B Then I discovered that the built-in reverb
> of Ableton Li= ve sounded similar. But I don'=3Bt want to use Live so I
> unsuccessf= ully looked around a lot more until I finally found this
> EchoBoy plugi= n.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.s= e
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
= = --_0a9f71f9-8241-4e80-9438-6393d0d6f8a6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 21:31:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E32918345B; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2IFVVP1FeV1THs6APc8umt66NOEzafq1sVSlPTPadR4=; b=vIGbymwmMBGgtmTNPITOUUZdMa6g91xo96N8g5VTEnCJfoWPEJrLNbx5oi4GSmhuNt j734EcalGPx/YA9WVEZORc4aUpbDLI3XCvnh2fe5zqJvbFzJJsYGT3LzGTl5a88mIJRd yCxZ5Aj/Y84jlmkoIsNw5yplJFrqOSrlRX0TA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=FohXK0E3gmLll7viXhHAttUji7+GDfA93qMTadeKdREgVaPFUOq14DMBnFMpZBv1Og aIXCDbQF8/s6yKWb19yJAwBwHEPPbbov7/QQB486/QNBMs5So6lwbN+wEcG2hHfhDQJe Z24eOKY9Wdpfv7Mu8IfVvCQcDoY8on6EhCswo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:31:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:31:21 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:53 PM, mark francombe wrote: > ... and I agree with Gareth that the term Frippertronics sounds naff, but > nowadays, I dont really mind "naff" so much.. For christs sake the guy is > married to Toyah.. I sure as hell dont know if thats a good or bad thing, > but its definitely a bit naff! I must say that I was instantly impressed in the late seventies when I heard someone say that Fripp "is now playing at Hotel lounges". My coolness detector instantly jumped on "hotel lounge tour". The fact that he did not play at traditional venues, but at hotel lounges, hit me in a positive way. But until then the name "frippertronics" had not caught my intention, although I liked some of the music he had done in the past with Crimson. Somehow I did not imagine the music could be serious when presented under such a name. When I finally happened to hear that music more or less by accident I thought it was great and wished I had not been so prejudiced about the name. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 21:42:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E99718347F; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=v0C/z1L17afa2n7/C72Xt4olsLi1eYQsVQtFLZnuPQY=; b=XbwrgB1iR8MDvKeYFI+dfTrq6aygpohEQyKz8BZ5gekRoysG1f8ebKZxViInNn6lHP aLq/Eqp/zaiJ+ptMcV4hktBcrL3W3HHAhduTHEizta1/ibfF4fcpfW+3KhLRT/uI5rlj n5XG/2TR7KnYXLK77hVRBd5cMKjgF52KHiLS0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=q1G9jN/ZZ/20zo0sXat6H+AL+uap7RD/2mzTV/VOyAZHgdPFQYL7d9AhgjYwfcI2Pw lvWZ/Tn/3Blq0MmHE7bE/3clKxDWNFvIADSjsa6sJCsVahUdb1gpFF6uXeXqRFW5a98S iy9vtkTVnA5CzCVMcF8W3VSgGhg1mo+1l096E= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:42:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:42:40 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Fabio_A wrote: > the entire article is here: > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=30224 Thanks for the tip, Fabio! I listened to Travis' and Fripp's album excerpts, linked in that article, and really like that music. If I had money and listening time at hand I would buy their records. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 22:16:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A63918345B; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:16:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292451369; bh=UR3JGg8OoURZzLeC2GKL6O7xkq/GBDzs40eRveDiJso=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2Ap7c4zAvZC9Lcwpnl+B8QyKtk/xELsR1vYkbSIrVzLZpKYZGFQ3RMJvr9IzYpriYK9hXeAVUPL+e0bq0BF/+lwnjj08ujn0dlLZilVzT2bXe4kkmG/2NKyOdfApfquXVPrSIIMbF0N/FGu3gyotnZoh5dkB95ZM5NB95kyBmvE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QbPF/+B9u7CpiWJm+MZPHznb+RqbdgpDQ9sP8NuT3jziPNunQ+eUiltce9NitNR0Q4cosOLxjFk5uJWiaO6qWpAbKvVkHVkR9JXSXZQFEXPWkI0zfpGkxMO+sUDJ0TuKqnjmkQ5b7+YCooS0ml9caFO1qvpLUO0Pu5bPnrAKfoc=; Message-ID: <259980.50578.qm@web120711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: a913z2cVM1mpv9lpau5U1VmNiqyWSGC33PIPDOvxYggBkiH E5zkL1BF9hZFl2.c0N4ZRo0NG.us8xoXMnLsw16mw0RaHWgpVZRWTUw39CDh yUDYOp5umZ9_JHCtB7NNBfXvjXkuUYG268GAxO2txd.vJHE.IByp4Y.Bs9Ma wOy1SqMbYe6n4aLxFiSY72gOGeQ0FpjS8b11Fk1inU0xxTZWY4H05q8THXXO 1.34lXALUsk6dv.jzkRSdUzX1wHm2Y8j1nvTyiaOIsMoo8CJmG3Tgic2xUPz fxkiGSka_i6w- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:16:08 -0800 (PST) From: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:16:10 +0000 (UTC) What the is naff. I mustvhave been exiled in Geneva too long - lost my kool@ Antony Sent from my iPhone On 2010-12-15, at 22:31, Per Boysen wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:53 PM, mark francombe wrote: ... and I agree with Gareth that the term Frippertronics sounds naff, but nowadays, I dont really mind "naff" so much.. For christs sake the guy is married to Toyah.. I sure as hell dont know if thats a good or bad thing, but its definitely a bit naff! I must say that I was instantly impressed in the late seventies when I heard someone say that Fripp "is now playing at Hotel lounges". My coolness detector instantly jumped on "hotel lounge tour". The fact that he did not play at traditional venues, but at hotel lounges, hit me in a positive way. But until then the name "frippertronics" had not caught my intention, although I liked some of the music he had done in the past with Crimson. Somehow I did not imagine the music could be serious when presented under such a name. When I finally happened to hear that music more or less by accident I thought it was great and wished I had not been so prejudiced about the name. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 22:45:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B639183461; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292453132; bh=32UPYzLfJXda0znehZ1/QH0Y8iHp77FLMPIQBXr2NnI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t4fYQ2Mr92NTcuP1qeDGeR2X12ignsWx14Ln/LEMbnbOMJ16kUx0lAVLDrwt/kYsTjpx03Rt/DcWaxH0uQQnTLtklCHWTbedgzDW/EoNbXGVPbpT6yn6bsJNMEIvymFLXE+u6aeOqRCwSvYx32ht4CnxPC3tJKrFlKBxO86KKNU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XXLUHgBc8byyaNyyeN3z5j9mkKxZl1sBQtM8UCApG23RCvK7HAoCCeQGep5lnHnmGlmM+C6VMa+KpFUrEBoa+Or42epiO99/J7evXC80Slx6NlN5hpChCJUZLBSr3sPuYOVj1axhW6Uo1aIiu2UmyUO+/cq6e9/RvcgukM6tTYw=; Message-ID: <521050.3015.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QoqC6IsVM1kghDtXV2J8__hQcAm0__CQB5yx_1P2Z0iIETd 59OJg13mdAsIGXX1GDlyTmFDVo7ElcLEUwYHzHfHmKFVksTIoVkvLBrRJ0fZ dkAvt8Use7.LtW2R3uTPxJUIcVid32gsGfxaxIFIart8BvscWbUdvZw0PVZm ykd2tnL8gt8mz49G4lXfkESA7vN4a4dtwrCHW2CRz8dVvm12894fKxxDDrlX MMJyEY0RVaQVZbiuCuYl49GPVM6fdUU_AOHC3iWRUnBI_JDcrEJ4Y4vQ1f2i OpxV_q7ypjRiw23kPIoQltcQ1IlAoA0_wUQeCOyusNZdtmfL_gGfjxxBh3AX xeO3Bs8cDs77j.tLR_hlVOG5b3_EKzaenOFr4JQlViwemRwnnFRBP9gAQiIY tSN5YUFdyQPlX X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:45:32 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Uccello Subject: Melbourne, Monterey To: LOOPER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, Happy holidays to you all, hope you're doing great out there! Though it's a bit overdue, I just wanted to let you all know about the online collaborative duo that Nat Grant and I have formed called "sung" and our CD "Melbourne, Monterey" (released 10-10-10) I am extremely proud of it. If you are so moved, please visit our Bandcamp profile and pick up a copy, listen to the whole record streaming free, or click the 'like' button, it would be *much* appreciated! Thanks, Steve Uccello http://sung-duo.bandcamp.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 23:03:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0C3F183466; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc :x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=8dZz8XMom3wSEUZa2DwBKrk9dFAgNlrUaP4NVX2VWg4=; b=BY0uyRvu2Hh/S22iPm3Woe14sxLWroECzvr+Um0HdLIrX8Q2hb7cukpnBI510NfV54 cdD+Bx4MKli6JHaj8L6gWHbPXsXV/lAXldkQDQM3BUC5pvQLT/HhvIX/u9eWdmX+r8JA BK7GwCo/77NIo3VLZJGb/zrgMuLGlF4W/Mz/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; b=tP1UQKC0aiGxn/slxz0p7cc4DhaDCqAhY8VM0LnCdj9/S1CWG2zREJ5ZVHc+1aUedS RH4eMq9SWTTaqnp0fonJrMeipQaJWH4L8fwD5hkju2HIhzPjDGXp6SAFQ48RL1u1qTmM NzS+WvsP1IXIqMQ1IZgQ5TIlp/TaknMJsZRP4= References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-614352722 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A306) From: Fabio_A Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:02:35 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:03:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-614352722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm with Gareth here, I must admit. -f Il giorno 15/dic/2010, alle ore 21:39, Gareth Whittock ha scritto: > I've always thought that not only does "Frippertronics" sound naff but the= fact that he didn't discover it makes it unwarranted to boot. > =20 > peace > =20 > g > =20 > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:12:18 +0100 > Subject: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) > From: eterogenus@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > =20 > This article is about the album from 2008 by Travis and Fripp, called "Thr= ead", > =20 > They wrote: > "The advent of digital sampling and looping technologies facilitated the e= xpansion of Frippertronics into Soundscapes, a remarkable one-man improvisat= ional orchestra documented on albums including Love Cannot Bear (DGMLive, 20= 05) and At the End of Time (DGMLive, 2007). Fripp has also employed Soundsca= pes on numerous guest appearances, most notably on woodwind multi-instrument= alist Theo Travis' Double Talk (33 Jazz, 2007), where abstract ambience and m= ore definitive pulse, at times, intersected. With Travis' own electronically= rigged System of Ambitronics, it was only a matter of time before the two m= usicians joined up for a session of music where technological sound sculptin= g marries seamlessly with the intimate interaction of the improvising duo. T= hread is the result." > =20 > What I want to point out is that here the "tool" is not "looping" (the art= icle defines it just like a "technology"), but "Frippertronics", "Soundscape= s" or "Ambitronics". > ...and I think that: > - "Frippertronics" is just a "name" that Fripp had given to the Tape reel s= ystem that Eno showed him in 1972 > - "Soundscapes" are just looped sounds and musical phrases evolving over t= ime; > - "Ambitronics" seems to be (for what I discovered searching on google) ju= st another looping system, personalized by T. Travis > while it seems self-evident to me that it's just "looping". > ...Or do I have to call my "customized" set-up "fabiotronics" ? > =20 > I'm interested to know what do you think about those terms and how they us= e them in that context. > =20 > the entire article is here: > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D30224 > =20 > -f --Apple-Mail-1-614352722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I'm with Gareth here, I must admit.

-f

Il giorno 15/dic/2010, alle ore 21:39, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> ha scritto:

I've always thought that not only does "Frippertronics" sound naff but the fact that he didn't discover it makes it unwarranted to boot.
 
peace
 
g
 
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:12:18 +0100
Subject: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?)
From: eterogenus@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

 
This article is about the album from 2008 by Travis and Fripp, called "Thread",
 
They wrote:
"The advent of digital sampling and looping technologies facilitated the expansion of Frippertronics into Soundscapes, a remarkable one-man improvisational orchestra documented on albums including Love Cannot Bear (DGMLive, 2005) and At the End of Time (DGMLive, 2007). Fripp has also employed Soundscapes on numerous guest appearances, most notably on woodwind multi-instrumentalist Theo Travis' Double Talk (33 Jazz, 2007), where abstract ambience and more definitive pulse, at times, intersected. With Travis' own electronically rigged System of Ambitronics, it was only a matter of time before the two musicians joined up for a session of music where technological sound sculpting marries seamlessly with the intimate interaction of the improvising duo. Thread is the result."
 
What I want to point out is that here the "tool" is not "looping" (the article defines it just like a "technology"), but "Frippertronics", "Soundscapes" or "Ambitronics".
...and I think that:
- "Frippertronics" is just a "name" that Fripp had given to the Tape reel system that Eno showed him in 1972
- "Soundscapes" are just looped sounds and musical phrases evolving over time;
- "Ambitronics" seems to be (for what I discovered searching on google) just another looping system, personalized by T. Travis
while it seems self-evident to me that it's just "looping".
...Or do I have to call my "customized" set-up "fabiotronics" ?
 
I'm interested to know what do you think about those terms and how they use them in that context.
 
the entire article is here:
--Apple-Mail-1-614352722-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 23:26:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1924183466; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D094EB5.7070802@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:26:45 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb References: <4D08A8B8.7030400@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D08A8B8.7030400@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:26:54 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote: > > http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/index.php?p=polycomb > > is a real time version. > I'm pretty certain there's others available, > ..but then maybe I just ended browsing Oli Larkin's site > several times over the years. Doh, Oli sent that to me when I purchased his DroneBox but I was so busy at the time I never even installed it. So I not only own it, I bought it. > > There's some neat free stuff on his site too. Yeah, Oli is the bomb in my book! > >> >> So far I haven't gotten any takers > Perhaps because the only way to earn any money > at all out of a plugin is if it does something unique. > (and not so unique that it's not understood) Of course, I'm a dreamer. I frequently dream things that can't be............lol. Those kinds of disappointments frequently go with me being me (and never having taught myself to program) > > > You could always offer to pay a programmer to knock > up a vst plugin in Synthedit. Ha, that's a good one.............on my current budget. Seriously, my belief is that everyone should be compensated for their work and their expertise. Sadly, we live in a world where musicians are rarely compensated for their work and their expertise. The recession in this part of the country has been brutal. There are no gigs that pay anymore and the very few that still remain are fought over like dogs. So, I'm just forced to dream and foment at times. Thanks for bearing with me, Andy! > > > link? http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/index.php?p=dronebox cheers, rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 23:32:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCAAE18345B; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D094FFA.60100@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:32:10 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "nick@12testing.net" CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Robinson / Wagner project released References: <4D08B2CC.25512.68B0E7@nick.1957.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D08B2CC.25512.68B0E7@nick.1957.me.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:32:21 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, nick@12testing.net wrote: > I've finally found a site to release an album I made with the amazing > Swiss looper Bernhard Wagner, I hope some of you enjoy it... > > http://nickrobinson.bandcamp.com/ Listening now. Beautiful stuff Nick and Bernhard..............knowing both of your musics and your respective talents and expertise this is a really good fit. Good luck with the release. rick walker ps by the way, some of this stuff is so cool, rhythmically that I think I'm going loop it and to use it to practice drumset to. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 23:34:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F163E183473; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:34:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <730BF5C1D97444B7B487E2A7B996CED4@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:34:15 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: <05s3QB.A.hOB.ECVCNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:34:29 +0000 (UTC) One of the patches on my old QuadraVerb that worked well with my old 7.6 Time Machine was called "SpudTronics". -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Yes you do... Mine is called Francotronics.. LOL! Good luck with touring in Spain! ;-)) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 15 23:52:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 942A1183466; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Xnaieg/yUkKfnD9oDfqsumyWURFiH5lnIcsPov6pmTg=; b=q0ekopFAFrL10YR8ZhBdOSvxl4e3fgxStNORY/KsoodhavjP+IFCHuqI9XUrlf0Nff S6hjhsDvATarskdt5+3i1DAfVN/N73R7RQsYzG3W6aLg60DySB7nJWKH0suYhFQetXMg lPxjQUEsGYKahGPT3royi/+9sHaETnifUxUPM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=sjYowqUIeGTnsrXE7FjXeMxe/cU6Oz2TIYsfViyKPc0YLhEUcAf49rxryT0n4cFW1K GiIsVVrFL4iyj1yZ1ArS5k+qSS6EEmzWGvniDVVdoPJ7Rf9qEk2yzi7zg3xFqIokRWRx IHTSRKvmUU1JMSvG2cT+UEImmSu54tY+D4UG0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:52:51 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: (OT) Droneshift in San Francisco this Thursday From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, This is OT since there's minimal looping content, but I think many looping folks will be interested: I'm hosting a 2 hour drone music concert at San Francisco's Luggage Store Gallery tomorrow night. (Thursday.) The event will feature 36 musicians performing in constantly shifting combinations ...and all doing long droney sounds. Personally, I'll be playing acoustically on wine glasses and a large glass vase. Droneshift: Thursday, 12/16/2010 Luggage Store Gallery 1007 Market Street (@ 6th Street) San Francisco, CA Time: EXACTLY 8-10pm Price: $6-10 sliding scale event info: www.bayimproviser.com/luggagestore -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 00:09:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C368183459; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RNySlU1UnyRnabxS6I4fT5Quf8aPfCQbL5i2rgQ25B0=; b=SjLKnLLfCtX2Ej1S+A1AkGLi48Oeo6GexaqWgv2OJo8KMIsRZGtj5onppuyBrNrmqT Ukh9oHJLJ+DmNdGaoB2tlwwNtb+b77zZoXRO6dGctpKUIsV0xX66nZqdofSe/EXfxyXU spOT/G0+boWW311GRzMsjhvSx7ANNoaSgp5Us= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KFG+fzVG78cwYNzmkJuCAnBgGHUJbU0pzLWh6TKI9dBooVP/3o7W6ZxpO9Y5QpXg7D jzc8OOHY43kOiZoZNmCGULI47ttTzqyuT/zNqaLjqnCQ7Zy1dOqx6B+Nmn/N/fDmeTSV mg3zwwFokENlSGIs/Fp5lGS6R8ryFptm/SdW4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4D08B2CC.25512.68B0E7@nick.1957.me.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:09:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Robinson / Wagner project released From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016362843d6e4d13804977bdc1d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:09:10 +0000 (UTC) --0016362843d6e4d13804977bdc1d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/12/16 Raul Bonell > both styles mix nicely. fuck! it's possible to listen to the entire album > online? is this always the case? never noticed before with other bandcamp > releases (regularly from friends also in this mailing list). i'll be usin= g > it as the soundtrack to my next fb post. > > p.s. nick, i'm paying on friday that suits me better ;) > > 2010/12/15 nick@12testing.net > >> I've finally found a site to release an album I made with the amazing >> >> Swiss looper Bernhard Wagner, I hope some of you enjoy it... >> >> http://nickrobinson.bandcamp.com/ >> >> >> >> All the best, >> >> Nick Robinson >> >> music site : http://www.looping.me.uk >> myspace site : http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops >> looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D > > La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los banco= s > inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y = a > las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo pa= ra > los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngel= a!!! =BFY > qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, para n= o enfadar > a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados... > > Renunciad a la huelga, a la negociaci=F3n colectiva, a una sanidad y una > educaci=F3n de calidad y gratu=EDta, renunciad a una pensi=F3n suficiente= , a una > legislaci=F3n laboral que d=E9 seguridad al trabajador y a su familia y l= o > proteja frente abusos y el despido, renunciemos a una jubilaci=F3n antes = de > morir o estar tan deteriorado que cuando llegue solo nos quede esperar > nuestra muerte y aliviar nuestro sufrimiento y dolor... > > Bajemos los impuestos a las grandes empresas, a los mercados financieros,= a > los bancos, a los grandes capitales que pueden hundir un pa=EDs con la si= mple > acci=F3n de sacar su dinero y llev=E1rselo a M=F3naco, Andorra o Luxembur= go, > liberad de cargas fiscales a los dioses... > > Hagamos todos los esfuerzos en nuestra mano, en manos del pueblo, POR EL > CRECIMIENTO DE LA ECONOM=CDA Y LA TRANQUILIDAD DE LOS MERCADOS. Palabra d= e > dios, am=E9n. > > =A1=A1=A1El pueblo, unido, jam=E1s ser=E1 vencido!!! > > > > --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela!= !! =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, para no = enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados... Renunciad a la huelga, a la negociaci=F3n colectiva, a una sanidad y una educaci=F3n de calidad y gratu=EDta, renunciad a una pensi=F3n suficiente, = a una legislaci=F3n laboral que d=E9 seguridad al trabajador y a su familia y lo proteja frente abusos y el despido, renunciemos a una jubilaci=F3n antes de morir o estar tan deteriorado que cuando llegue solo nos quede esperar nuestra muerte y aliviar nuestro sufrimiento y dolor... Bajemos los impuestos a las grandes empresas, a los mercados financieros, a los bancos, a los grandes capitales que pueden hundir un pa=EDs con la simp= le acci=F3n de sacar su dinero y llev=E1rselo a M=F3naco, Andorra o Luxemburgo= , liberad de cargas fiscales a los dioses... Hagamos todos los esfuerzos en nuestra mano, en manos del pueblo, POR EL CRECIMIENTO DE LA ECONOM=CDA Y LA TRANQUILIDAD DE LOS MERCADOS. 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2010/12/16 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com><= br>
both styles mix nicely. fuck! it's possible to listen to the entire alb= um online? is this always the case? never noticed before with other bandcam= p releases (regularly from friends also in this mailing list). i'll be = using it as the soundtrack to my next fb post.

p.s. nick, i'm paying on friday that suits me better ;)

2010/12/15 nick@12t= esting.net <nick@1957.me.uk>
I've finally found a site to release an album I made with the amazing

Swiss looper Bernhard Wagner, I hope some of you enjoy it...

http://nick= robinson.bandcamp.com/



All the best,

Nick Robinson

music site : =A0 =A0= http://www.looping.me.uk
myspace site : =A0http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops
looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com






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Renunciad a la huelga, a la negociaci=F3n colectiva, a una sanidad y un= a educaci=F3n de calidad y gratu=EDta, renunciad a una pensi=F3n suficiente= , a una legislaci=F3n laboral que d=E9 seguridad al trabajador y a su famil= ia y lo proteja frente abusos y el despido, renunciemos a una jubilaci=F3n = antes de morir o estar tan deteriorado que cuando llegue solo nos quede esp= erar nuestra muerte y aliviar nuestro sufrimiento y dolor...

Bajemos los impuestos a las grandes empresas, a los mercados financiero= s, a los bancos, a los grandes capitales que pueden hundir un pa=EDs con la= simple acci=F3n de sacar su dinero y llev=E1rselo a M=F3naco, Andorra o Lu= xemburgo, liberad de cargas fiscales a los dioses...

Hagamos todos los esfuerzos en nuestra mano, en manos del pueblo, POR E= L CRECIMIENTO DE LA ECONOM=CDA Y LA TRANQUILIDAD DE LOS MERCADOS. Palabra d= e dios, am=E9n.

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Bajemos los impuestos a las grandes empresas, a los mercados financiero= s, a los bancos, a los grandes capitales que pueden hundir un pa=EDs con la= simple acci=F3n de sacar su dinero y llev=E1rselo a M=F3naco, Andorra o Lu= xemburgo, liberad de cargas fiscales a los dioses...

Hagamos todos los esfuerzos en nuestra mano, en manos del pueblo, POR E= L CRECIMIENTO DE LA ECONOM=CDA Y LA TRANQUILIDAD DE LOS MERCADOS. Palabra d= e dios, am=E9n.

=A1=A1=A1El pueblo, unido, jam=E1s ser=E1 vencido!!!=



--0016362843d6e4d13804977bdc1d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 00:47:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 853FC18345B; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EZcpH9t8Al9qkF65EwDPsSWlHlT0+NguQ6tWfm5nV0U=; b=GPQf8+tyqBves98CMOvgiSpj2nN/KXlk1K4YuS5vmlRsRCa9Et5UUruk+l2cjNJ4kV kEQAts9Shw7vMMqS1vFoZKnN79YFXqF86N1koqrrZHBOwdRCua1iDHGSh/ag1VqKXfY8 +G+WFWSHLVTq2wZzStries4kotL0IvOYCpks8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=N7JMDPmyyBpciZu2kEi+fz12Sfy21Rt5aE7vN9yT3PDGXeax0L7YTKmrNWKFwozlyy g3senW2kqssYQliEG8BcANY+EsiwlE+aOgav884fiRp+Oq1pQsGVGCDyKD1mQ7TreZ02 Or1Yc7MbtNnUPSNSQ5C1d7kpWg6VHZ3opfCSg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <521050.3015.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <521050.3015.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:47:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Melbourne, Monterey From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b84ac6af7fb04977c65d7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:47:21 +0000 (UTC) --0016363b84ac6af7fb04977c65d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow! i'm recommending it on fb right now. 2010/12/15 Steve Uccello > Hello all, Happy holidays to you all, hope you're doing great out there! > Though it's a bit overdue, I just wanted to let you all know about the > online collaborative duo that Nat Grant and I have formed called "sung" a= nd > our CD "Melbourne, Monterey" (released 10-10-10) > > I am extremely proud of it. If you are so moved, please visit our Bandcam= p > profile and pick up a copy, listen to the whole record streaming free, or > click the 'like' button, it would be *much* appreciated! Thanks, Steve > Uccello > > > http://sung-duo.bandcamp.com/ > > > > > > --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela!= !! =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, para no = enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados... Renunciad a la huelga, a la negociaci=F3n colectiva, a una sanidad y una educaci=F3n de calidad y gratu=EDta, renunciad a una pensi=F3n suficiente, = a una legislaci=F3n laboral que d=E9 seguridad al trabajador y a su familia y lo proteja frente abusos y el despido, renunciemos a una jubilaci=F3n antes de morir o estar tan deteriorado que cuando llegue solo nos quede esperar nuestra muerte y aliviar nuestro sufrimiento y dolor... Bajemos los impuestos a las grandes empresas, a los mercados financieros, a los bancos, a los grandes capitales que pueden hundir un pa=EDs con la simp= le acci=F3n de sacar su dinero y llev=E1rselo a M=F3naco, Andorra o Luxemburgo= , liberad de cargas fiscales a los dioses... Hagamos todos los esfuerzos en nuestra mano, en manos del pueblo, POR EL CRECIMIENTO DE LA ECONOM=CDA Y LA TRANQUILIDAD DE LOS MERCADOS. Palabra de dios, am=E9n. =A1=A1=A1El pueblo, unido, jam=E1s ser=E1 vencido!!! --0016363b84ac6af7fb04977c65d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow! i'm recommending it on fb right now.

2010/12/15 Steve Uccello <<= a href=3D"mailto:stevebassbird@yahoo.com">stevebassbird@yahoo.com>
Hello all, Happy holidays to you all, hope you're doing great out there= ! =A0Though it's a bit overdue, I just wanted to let you all know about= the online collaborative duo that Nat Grant and I have formed called "= ;sung" and our CD "Melbourne, Monterey" (released 10-10-10)<= br>
I am extremely proud of it. If you are so moved, please visit our Bandcamp = profile and pick up a copy, listen to the whole record streaming free, or c= lick the 'like' button, it would be *much* appreciated! Thanks, Ste= ve Uccello


http://sung-duo= .bandcamp.com/








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La UE = y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos inyect= an liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a las PY= MES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los b= ancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela!!!=A0= =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, par= a no enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados...

Renunciad a la huelga, a la negociaci=F3n colectiva, a una sanidad y un= a educaci=F3n de calidad y gratu=EDta, renunciad a una pensi=F3n suficiente= , a una legislaci=F3n laboral que d=E9 seguridad al trabajador y a su famil= ia y lo proteja frente abusos y el despido, renunciemos a una jubilaci=F3n = antes de morir o estar tan deteriorado que cuando llegue solo nos quede esp= erar nuestra muerte y aliviar nuestro sufrimiento y dolor...

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--0016363b84ac6af7fb04977c65d7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 06:16:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39850183466; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=60KnGVsifUFE7iiOq/jh6neSKs5WtiZmZIefH65HQug=; b=uiQcfT3Yp6qPqYxFDGrckn01ZEpeS7JzkjlPXXwZxrjAHLjDzX65f+TceDtNXG4LIU gy5fBJ0D3zbgRMfNCamU6RXPQlH7n7vDITLVvCDdgE+qijU4FL2zPj+wy7FrNXttT7ee moRHJBU85NBenUOGshO8v4zatr35SQdkcSvK8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=PmoLRhX0dfsmBog9BkeCOvbWvqUThaVeCUV7Ls8MbxrI256l+a/U2Kl+d51LlO2/u1 2QLUuEV8LWNgYjcdxquynvOE8ctKtsYEtrUlU+wY4JZHbaNYntbapMk5YvOtzmJbkuB0 sh4tr0ZwpeDF0VblF9KFj+9lEzGgUstt8rC/k= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D092B54.1050007@post.cybercity.dk> References: <4D092B54.1050007@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:16:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SMproaudio V-machine, anyone? From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175708d27bcff2049780fd51 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:16:12 +0000 (UTC) --0015175708d27bcff2049780fd51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 looks very similar (in essence) to the muse receptor, which i owned. boy did it suck. one of the worst pieces of shit i've ever spent money on. if this thing is even remotely similar to the receptor then save yourself some time and avoid it like the plague. if you'd like details as to why the receptor sucked (and hence questions to ask of any vst player sort of box), feel free to ask. - jim On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:55 PM, van Sinn wrote: > Anyone in here using the SMproaudio V-Machine? > If so, I'd like comments on usage, flexibility and stability.. > I'm thinking of using this with convolution/IM plugin for guitar > finalization (not for reverbs), preferably to be able to stack two IM's for > semi wall-of-sound imitations, plus running a looper. > > As I understand the specs, it's OS should allow bus'ing and mixing sound > sources. > It's possible this is only possible in the yet to be released V-Rack.. > > > The looping isn't intended as really fancy, just one or two phrases, with > the ability to auto-size those to match the total phrase length, plus either > being able to set a fixed or a programmable fade-out. > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > > --0015175708d27bcff2049780fd51 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable looks very similar (in essence) to the muse receptor, which i owned.=A0 boy= did it suck.=A0 one of the worst pieces of shit i've ever spent money = on.=A0 if this thing is even remotely similar to the receptor then save you= rself some time and avoid it like the plague.=A0 if you'd like details = as to why the receptor sucked (and hence questions to ask of any vst player= sort of box), feel free to ask.

- jim

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:55 PM= , van Sinn <vansinn@post.cybercity.dk> wrote:
Anyone in here using the SMproaudio V-Machine?
If so, I'd like comments on usage, flexibility and stability..
I'm thinking of using this with convolution/IM plugin for guitar finali= zation (not for reverbs), preferably to be able to stack two IM's for s= emi wall-of-sound imitations, plus running a looper.

As I understand the specs, it's OS should allow bus'ing and mixing = sound sources.
It's possible this is only possible in the yet to be released V-Rack..<= br>

The looping isn't intended as really fancy, just one or two phrases, wi= th the ability to auto-size those to match the total phrase length, plus ei= ther being able to set a fixed or a programmable fade-out.

--
rgds,
van Sinn


--0015175708d27bcff2049780fd51-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 07:51:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2547F183459; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9f568167-6fef-418d-8691-ade181f76ea1_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:51:16 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2010 07:51:16.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[04B8F830:01CB9CF6] Resent-Message-ID: <_zISc.A.YkG.2TcCNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:51:18 +0000 (UTC) --_9f568167-6fef-418d-8691-ade181f76ea1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whereas Fabiotronics sounds very cool - cool being the opposite of naff BTW= . peace g CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: eterogenus@gmail.com Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) Date: Thu=2C 16 Dec 2010 00:02:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I'm with Gareth here=2C I must admit. -f Il giorno 15/dic/2010=2C alle ore 21:39=2C Gareth Whittock ha scritto: I've always thought that not only does "Frippertronics" sound naff but the = fact that he didn't discover it makes it unwarranted to boot. =20 peace =20 g =20 Date: Wed=2C 15 Dec 2010 20:12:18 +0100 Subject: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) From: eterogenus@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =20 This article is about the album from 2008 by Travis and Fripp=2C called "Th= read"=2C=20 =20 They wrote: "The advent of digital sampling and looping technologies facilitated the ex= pansion of Frippertronics into Soundscapes=2C a remarkable one-man improvis= ational orchestra documented on albums including Love Cannot Bear (DGMLive= =2C 2005) and At the End of Time (DGMLive=2C 2007). Fripp has also employed= Soundscapes on numerous guest appearances=2C most notably on woodwind mult= i-instrumentalist Theo Travis' Double Talk (33 Jazz=2C 2007)=2C where abstr= act ambience and more definitive pulse=2C at times=2C intersected. With Tra= vis' own electronically rigged System of Ambitronics=2C it was only a matte= r of time before the two musicians joined up for a session of music where t= echnological sound sculpting marries seamlessly with the intimate interacti= on of the improvising duo. Thread is the result." =20 What I want to point out is that here the "tool" is not "looping" (the arti= cle defines it just like a "technology")=2C but "Frippertronics"=2C "Sounds= capes" or "Ambitronics". ...and I think that: - "Frippertronics" is just a "name" that Fripp had given to the Tape reel s= ystem that Eno showed him in 1972 - "Soundscapes" are just looped sounds and musical phrases evolving over ti= me=3B - "Ambitronics" seems to be (for what I discovered searching on google) jus= t another looping system=2C personalized by T. Travis while it seems self-evident to me that it's just "looping". ...Or do I have to call my "customized" set-up "fabiotronics" ? =20 I'm interested to know what do you think about those terms and how they use= them in that context. =20 the entire article is here: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D30224 =20 -f =20 = --_9f568167-6fef-418d-8691-ade181f76ea1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whereas Fabiotronics sounds very cool - cool being the opposite of naff BTW= .

peace

g

CC: loopers-delight@= loopers-delight.com
From: eterogenus@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Travis &a= mp=3B Fripp (an article about looping ?)
Date: Thu=2C 16 Dec 2010 00:02:= 35 +0100
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I'm with Ga= reth here=2C I must admit.

-f

Il giorno 15/dic/= 2010=2C alle ore 21:39=2C Gareth Whittock <=3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.uk>=3B ha scritto:

I've always thought that not only does "Frippertronics" sound naff but the = fact that he didn't discover it makes it =3Bunwarranted to boot.
 =3B
peace
 =3B
g
 =3B
Date: Wed=2C 15 Dec 2010 20:12:18 +0100
Subject: Travis &=3B Fripp (a= n article about looping ?)
From: eterogenus@gmail.com
To= : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co= m

 =3B
This article is about the album from 2008 by Travis and Fripp=2C calle= d "Thread"=2C
 =3B
They wrote:
"The advent of digital sampling and looping technologies facilitated t= he expansion of Frippertronics into Soundscapes=2C a remarkable one-man imp= rovisational orchestra documented on albums including = Love Cannot Bear (DGMLive=2C 20= 05) and At the End of Time= (DGMLive=2C 2007). Fripp has also employed Soundscapes on = numerous guest appearances=2C most notably on woodwind multi-instrumentalis= t Theo Travis' Double Talk= (33 Jazz=2C 2007)=2C where abstract ambience and more defi= nitive pulse=2C at times=2C intersected. With Travis' own electronically ri= gged System of Ambitronics=2C it was only a matter of time before the two m= usicians joined up for a session of music where technological sound sculpti= ng marries seamlessly with the intimate interaction of the improvising duo.= Thread is the result."
 =3B
What I want to point out is that here the "tool" is not "looping" (the= article defines it just like a "technology")=2C but "Frippertronics"=2C "S= oundscapes" or "Ambitronics".
...and I think that:
- "Frippertronics" is just a "name" that Fripp had given to the Tape r= eel system that Eno showed him in 1972
- "Soundscapes" =3Bare just looped sounds and musical phrases evol= ving over time=3B
- "Ambitronics" seems to be (for what I discovered searching on google= ) just another looping system=2C personalized by T. Travis
while it seems self-evident to me that it's just "looping".
...Or do I have to call my "customized" set-up "fabiotronics" ?
 =3B
I'm interested to know what do you think about those terms and how the= y use them in that context.
 =3B
the entire article is here:
=20
= --_9f568167-6fef-418d-8691-ade181f76ea1_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 08:06:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21202183461; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_808d87c9-5953-4a16-9c89-4b88b909cf61_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:06:34 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4D094EB5.7070802@cruzio.com> References: <4D08A8B8.7030400@tiscali.co.uk>,<4D094EB5.7070802@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2010 08:06:34.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[27D3B740:01CB9CF8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:06:36 +0000 (UTC) --_808d87c9-5953-4a16-9c89-4b88b909cf61_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep Olie Larkin is a very gifted guy.=20 What are you looking for that the dronebox doesn't supply Rick? As I rememb= er you can control pitches via midi note commands. One day I will ressurect my 60 note resonator but I'm sooo damn busy with o= ther stuff... Peace G > Date: Wed=2C 15 Dec 2010 15:26:45 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for lappy loopers) PS= P Pianoverb >=20 > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C andy butler wrote: > > > > http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/index.php?p=3Dpolycomb > > > > is a real time version. > > I'm pretty certain there's others available=2C > > ..but then maybe I just ended browsing Oli Larkin's site > > several times over the years. > Doh=2C Oli sent that to me when I purchased his DroneBox but I was so=20 > busy at the time > I never even installed it. So I not only own it=2C I bought it. > > > > There's some neat free stuff on his site too. >=20 > Yeah=2C Oli is the bomb in my book! > > > >> > >> So far I haven't gotten any takers > > Perhaps because the only way to earn any money > > at all out of a plugin is if it does something unique. > > (and not so unique that it's not understood) > Of course=2C I'm a dreamer. I frequently dream things that can't=20 > be............lol. > Those kinds of disappointments frequently go with me being me > (and never having taught myself to program) > > > > > > You could always offer to pay a programmer to knock > > up a vst plugin in Synthedit. > Ha=2C that's a good one.............on my current budget. > Seriously=2C my belief is that everyone should be compensated for their= =20 > work and their expertise. > Sadly=2C we live in a world where musicians are rarely compensated for=20 > their work and their expertise. > The recession in this part of the country has been brutal. There are=20 > no gigs that pay anymore and > the very few that still remain are fought over like dogs. >=20 > So=2C I'm just forced to dream and foment at times. Thanks for bearing= =20 > with me=2C Andy! > > > > > > link? > http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/index.php?p=3Ddronebox >=20 > cheers=2C > rick walker >=20 = --_808d87c9-5953-4a16-9c89-4b88b909cf61_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep Olie Larkin is a very gifted guy.
What are you looking for that the= dronebox doesn't supply Rick? As I remember you can control pitches via mi= di note commands.
One day I will ressurect my 60 note resonator but I'm = sooo damn busy with other stuff...

Peace

G

>=3B Date= : Wed=2C 15 Dec 2010 15:26:45 -0800
>=3B From: looppool@cruzio.com
= >=3B To: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
>=3B CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com
>=3B Subject: Re: Re: Tip on a great free reverb plugin (for = lappy loopers) PSP Pianoverb
>=3B
>=3B On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C an= dy butler wrote:
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B http://www.olilarkin.co.= uk/index.php?p=3Dpolycomb
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B is a real time = version.
>=3B >=3B I'm pretty certain there's others available=2C>=3B >=3B ..but then maybe I just ended browsing Oli Larkin's site
= >=3B >=3B several times over the years.
>=3B Doh=2C Oli sent that= to me when I purchased his DroneBox but I was so
>=3B busy at the ti= me
>=3B I never even installed it. So I not only own it=2C I bought= it.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B There's some neat free stuff on his = site too.
>=3B
>=3B Yeah=2C Oli is the bomb in my book!
>= =3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B So far I haven't g= otten any takers
>=3B >=3B Perhaps because the only way to earn any = money
>=3B >=3B at all out of a plugin is if it does something uniqu= e.
>=3B >=3B (and not so unique that it's not understood)
>=3B = Of course=2C I'm a dreamer. I frequently dream things that can't
>= =3B be............lol.
>=3B Those kinds of disappointments frequently = go with me being me
>=3B (and never having taught myself to program)>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B You could always offer to= pay a programmer to knock
>=3B >=3B up a vst plugin in Synthedit.>=3B Ha=2C that's a good one.............on my current budget.
>= =3B Seriously=2C my belief is that everyone should be compensated for thei= r
>=3B work and their expertise.
>=3B Sadly=2C we live in a worl= d where musicians are rarely compensated for
>=3B their work and thei= r expertise.
>=3B The recession in this part of the country has been b= rutal. There are
>=3B no gigs that pay anymore and
>=3B the ve= ry few that still remain are fought over like dogs.
>=3B
>=3B So= =2C I'm just forced to dream and foment at times. Thanks for bearing
= >=3B with me=2C Andy!
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B = link?
>=3B http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/index.php?p=3Ddronebox
>=3B=
>=3B cheers=2C
>=3B rick walker
>=3B
= --_808d87c9-5953-4a16-9c89-4b88b909cf61_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 10:25:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35FB7183466; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:25:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="========GMXBoundary160871292495109989412" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:25:09 +0100 From: "Johannes Korn" Message-ID: <20101216102509.160870@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Cage Against The Machine To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #13417443 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+WDVkRaJSWrZM33PjTYGuSbNc0BHL7LYXwfFAisO rPIhbLromGl4kmV+ct52GPWxqnh3n8EHiFmQ== X-GMX-UID: PNE/fOUNYmYBZ9WMqXc3639CWkZTQVRR Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:25:18 +0000 (UTC) --========GMXBoundary160871292495109989412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just read about this and found it quite interesting: http://www.catm.co.uk/ The idea is making 4' 33" the Christmas No.1 hit, like "Killing in the name of" last year. Would be a nice change. :-) -- Johannes Korn - j.korn@gmx.de http://www.myspace.com/nashorn GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl --========GMXBoundary160871292495109989412 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just read about this and found it quite interesting: http://www.catm.co.uk/

The idea is ma= king 4' 33" the Christmas No.1 hit, like "Killing in the name of&= quot; last year. Would be a nice change. :-)



--
Johannes Korn - = j.korn@gmx.de=0D
http://www.myspace.com/nashorn

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--========GMXBoundary160871292495109989412-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 10:47:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75819183461; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D09EE33.9070409@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 02:47:15 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gareth Whittock CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Gareth Whittock wrote: "Whereas Fabiotronics sounds very cool - cool being the opposite of naff BTW." Me personally, I prefer Fabul-O-Fabiotronics!!!! rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 11:46:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4BD7183457; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'boost'" , References: Subject: RE: jamming with myself Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:46:52 +0100 Message-ID: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CB9D1F.506D04A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcudEeXgQECCJa39TzaPzPDAuCUGxwABMBcA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:46:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CB9D1F.506D04A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently this video has moved to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApFb5sMfThk in the meantime. Lovely stuff Boost! -Michael _____ From: boost [mailto:boost@boosterized.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: jamming with myself another video, alone this time. hope you'll enjoy it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOArZUm3hHs boost ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CB9D1F.506D04A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apparently this video has moved to
http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DApFb5sMfThk
in the meantime.
 
Lovely stuff Boost!
 
-Michael

From: boost = [mailto:boost@boosterized.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:15 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: jamming with=20 myself

another video, alone this = time.
hope you'll enjoy it
http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DlOArZUm3hHs
boost
------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CB9D1F.506D04A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 13:17:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 864B2183461; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LLbDV1elGRtAL9C4uESYfB1P6C0mD4B+f4eh1kLJTdc=; b=muLwYEu7tY9D6kfhanwAqIJL5HqxPLpemnYZabixOTvg6W3k+Em3J7cEXwqpuyw8Nw XYXFlFTd1ZP6S6+QepJTquYaZ8AvKbDl6MN9jw4QQtYGvOWs+a8nq+Ok4RoJQmuTn8Ho IXS/DiXReOIx6uJpsI33Xx7W7q9HKBz1x9WSk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=oYCZ0IWsTea2Qd6ggYxZoF1KyOpRuLuujdjVZrURoED5WdEzGemlhGKVbUbHCxopQ2 9i48q1JyTOsfrOv6mj4LH5R4kp4bO/J0XJoPO0XwVOtJ7BMM//GiZkH3SZj7TaoZWemk kEeHpllPKZKUjw9b1Noi/UXdRfBzaqus84zAs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D09EE33.9070409@cruzio.com> References: <4D09EE33.9070409@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:17:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RE: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016368e1f5d133002049786df54 Resent-Message-ID: <3js1OD.A.abC.XFhCNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:17:11 +0000 (UTC) --0016368e1f5d133002049786df54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *;-)* 2010/12/16 Rick Walker > Gareth Whittock wrote: > > "Whereas Fabiotronics sounds very cool - cool being the opposite of naff > BTW." > > Me personally, I prefer Fabul-O-Fabiotronics!!!! > > rick walker > > --0016368e1f5d133002049786df54 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
;-)


=A0
2010/12/16 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
Gareth Whittock wrote:

"Whereas Fabiotronics = sounds very cool - cool being the opposite of naff BTW."

= Me personally, =A0I prefer Fabul-O-Fabiotronics!!!!

rick walker


--0016368e1f5d133002049786df54-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 14:29:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33EE2183461; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 846310.57724.bm@omp1026.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=DdKE5xJFGrud0PjeT9Ep+DOShgczMYaUeBQBo5LtG+oCxCpIiK0bS77EA/OOog9ehvIMeGjEKYks+GKLxHod56yWbc8gXFbR6YtljboGfHmKVA1mNn0H5K8aGNnDxj+zr+uOP1nofO8dHKr2V0B4QJH/oKSVdI965+Pk0X2f66I= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1292509776; bh=eJk61K3tfa++JJZA1x40b+rMDTCT4njayRt6idEGDX4=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=JNDWFK9v4GaGQOss1uV3BQTOUg+gD7feoV4PdmGOS2qaq63d6/CYWutsUqaSQ1oA5X2ymNRerESfw4NfnC/fdL2F3Fl8NUVWrV+toVsQuM871rc+ACa4BtBpA/pe+8PjuhenYuycL2x9otmDE0zSqc0H6tZSyiJ6ZwRWN15P4aQ= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: J0YLUDcVM1mS2dlr_Xu2dpekc6sNsJu.6MXTYEV63O3jIs9 IvXWcRaMYAMxDDhLbkYSS4KWWZUY6nczWeA0lKbxRCoW4eXA6M.A8TmEkOAK wHelHXwppsjEMrdxKFoO22vvbINuTksPvwX3alAt9dBNdOkLNVRv7dlUrKi2 QJlgSB4xNu65laGVLCQkMfM.2_T1saZxuEKRg5Q4ontum.2kSPNYOfg_acu4 hx3YgPio.GJAY_alyewMW442xYOhyWbnJTeD8_awYTOglWhg3BDVFV_6S4sW gj8KrEXwhJsuSln0asPMe9G3jxKC2 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-34-669952452 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:29:24 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:29:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-34-669952452 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I quite fancy matt stevensonics :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 16 Dec 2010, at 07:51, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Whereas Fabiotronics sounds very cool - cool being the opposite of > naff BTW. > > peace > > g > > CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > From: eterogenus@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:02:35 +0100 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > I'm with Gareth here, I must admit. > > -f > > Il giorno 15/dic/2010, alle ore 21:39, Gareth Whittock > ha scritto: > > I've always thought that not only does "Frippertronics" sound naff > but the fact that he didn't discover it makes it unwarranted to boot. > > peace > > g > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:12:18 +0100 > Subject: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) > From: eterogenus@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > This article is about the album from 2008 by Travis and Fripp, > called "Thread", > > They wrote: > "The advent of digital sampling and looping technologies > facilitated the expansion of Frippertronics into Soundscapes, a > remarkable one-man improvisational orchestra documented on albums > including Love Cannot Bear (DGMLive, 2005) and At the End of Time > (DGMLive, 2007). Fripp has also employed Soundscapes on numerous > guest appearances, most notably on woodwind multi-instrumentalist > Theo Travis' Double Talk (33 Jazz, 2007), where abstract ambience > and more definitive pulse, at times, intersected. With Travis' own > electronically rigged System of Ambitronics, it was only a matter > of time before the two musicians joined up for a session of music > where technological sound sculpting marries seamlessly with the > intimate interaction of the improvising duo. Thread is the result." > > What I want to point out is that here the "tool" is not > "looping" (the article defines it just like a "technology"), but > "Frippertronics", "Soundscapes" or "Ambitronics". > ...and I think that: > - "Frippertronics" is just a "name" that Fripp had given to the > Tape reel system that Eno showed him in 1972 > - "Soundscapes" are just looped sounds and musical phrases evolving > over time; > - "Ambitronics" seems to be (for what I discovered searching on > google) just another looping system, personalized by T. Travis > while it seems self-evident to me that it's just "looping". > ...Or do I have to call my "customized" set-up "fabiotronics" ? > > I'm interested to know what do you think about those terms and how > they use them in that context. > > the entire article is here: > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=30224 > > -f --Apple-Mail-34-669952452 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII I quite fancy matt stevensonics :)

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 16 Dec 2010, = at 07:51, Gareth Whittock wrote:

Whereas Fabiotronics sounds very cool - cool being the opposite = of naff BTW.

peace

g

CC: loopers-delight@looper= s-delight.com
From: eterogenus@gmail.com
Subject: = Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec = 2010 00:02:35 +0100
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com

I'm with Gareth here, I must = admit.

-f

Il giorno 15/dic/2010, alle ore = 21:39, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> = ha scritto:

I've always thought = that not only does "Frippertronics" sound naff but the fact that he = didn't discover it makes it unwarranted to = boot.
 
peace
 
g
 
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:12:18 +0100
Subject: = Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?)
From: eterogenus@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com

 
This article is about the = album from 2008 by Travis and Fripp, called = "Thread",
 
They wrote:
"The advent = of digital sampling and looping technologies facilitated the expansion = of Frippertronics into Soundscapes, a remarkable one-man improvisational = orchestra documented on albums including Love Cannot = Bear (DGMLive, 2005) and At the End of = Time (DGMLive, 2007). Fripp has = also employed Soundscapes on numerous guest appearances, most notably on = woodwind multi-instrumentalist Theo Travis' Double = Talk (33= Jazz, 2007), where abstract ambience and more definitive pulse, at = times, intersected. With Travis' own electronically rigged System of = Ambitronics, it was only a matter of time before the two musicians = joined up for a session of music where technological sound sculpting = marries seamlessly with the intimate interaction of the improvising = duo. Thread is the = result."
 
What I want to point out is that = here the "tool" is not "looping" (the article defines it just like a = "technology"), but "Frippertronics", "Soundscapes" or = "Ambitronics".
...and I think that:
- = "Frippertronics" is just a "name" that Fripp had given to the Tape reel = system that Eno showed him in 1972
- "Soundscapes" are = just looped sounds and musical phrases evolving over time;
- = "Ambitronics" seems to be (for what I discovered searching on google) = just another looping system, personalized by T. Travis
while = it seems self-evident to me that it's just "looping".
...Or do = I have to call my "customized" set-up "fabiotronics" = ?
 
I'm interested to know what do you think = about those terms and how they use them in that = context.
 
the entire article is = here:

= --Apple-Mail-34-669952452-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 14:40:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D865C183466; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 780757.57332.bm@omp1021.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=TP9gNCcHn5J4JeqWD6sw5CjRiX5CBQMuUCt0TcTU4FgfgD8wWcKzQ/+RlM4kuvztIQ97pb0Jf/y36DEI5WZlOn/SsiJesT4XjRbpsOzxc3WINQIVYnZyBHYkznkZpFb1bdjSjbWId8TtPczlrz/6L/WCC7BfVY4coX4/PoLzeuA= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1292510440; bh=VSL2zO7IkYDFMADw1nmwcEuCjOXL0gaEkSIf6rVW81Q=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=wsVyDig5U5pgxLnkBZ+mFcqBTXXz5hpBg7KZ9C5OCrUgPQfNoJq4GEZOWYaV52NjGYuiBFzTK32oKorXqGMWez3WWP62u5wRKvYNA5Fd2R50beslkXvlEuNf6cJT857AuuTH0Uc3UHlnFhwLfHo1jO34VN26wVcCpc/coHb+1+Q= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: DmBJqDUVM1ky8RO0LgDqVpsnoId8.vIAtI.3uRfLw0yfeC8 EXZ7NnjCQJQ4OVbzaMRjDKD8tIVKWZFrqoQYocKMg5lgDoR5oXhiBI.mVowR Fso5k.QXU_I4uE5rvnPZpZvakeQZNy5FkqsS44A_twykXPBSz34ZRgDEh3_3 Ur3JsqKgJK_YlpIlnFXBNEdLmmprw35Rs2q_c4o7ieYwsmoYvlpxpu4g5xai YRQMRwJtw05x_orv.Muk_.KcRXbcDkiNxcCWEu7hrYYychHm97tPsTy922IO 4zG4ZY5PyyvmnyCTTN8U- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> References: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-36-670617515 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: jamming with myself Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:40:29 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:40:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-36-670617515 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Impressive track Boost - love that Rhodes sound - in a silent way :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 16 Dec 2010, at 11:46, Michael Peters wrote: > Apparently this video has moved to > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApFb5sMfThk > in the meantime. > > Lovely stuff Boost! > > -Michael > > From: boost [mailto:boost@boosterized.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: jamming with myself > > another video, alone this time. > hope you'll enjoy it > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOArZUm3hHs > boost --Apple-Mail-36-670617515 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Impressive track Boost - love that Rhodes sound - in a silent way = :)


On 16 Dec 2010, = at 11:46, Michael Peters wrote:

Apparently this video has moved = to
in the meantime.
 
Lovely stuff Boost!
 
-Michael

From: boost [mailto:boost@boosterized.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, = 2010 7:15 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject: jamming with = myself

another video, alone this time.
hope you'll enjoy it
boost
= --Apple-Mail-36-670617515-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 15:31:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40876183461; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ipKEV2N36HXaxH52oe0gFzxqpPkr6rqjMp7kIL3fiu0=; b=nqyTR7GZrhYiLL7TK9sFlg9BLQxwLtLvyypkjBIHDLnLHIUHMbfPTT1h0+8Dp6rf6u SwgBXuUreAqDct3X+Ao+TsOrbBFDCoEzPSF//RXC4bBGIQoIH8lBdABT/IE0RGY5v6tu vGRaUVe9bWekyC0+WyNwqnexkWDlibUKW2H3Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AN7or7tOWaKZiOTDRgKAN1T4Pen/N40o1DgxJ/PmoI/Nzbkuhx5V1F/UG5ijlDk0uD 8xQXkgHsNQWLBP1Hs+tjCWY1EJkqmFmcvKGw5i1kfpLA1VWPLWsMX+H3WHqk82BIaK0X c0/QtBPy61NS0R9/CekkjMgTqRQJu6rZ2BKcg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:31:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:31:39 +0000 (UTC) >> you have the same IP address set >> inside the iPhone's TouchOSC as inside the computer's "System >> Preferences > Network" ? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:38 AM, mark francombe wrote: > No, I didnt go there, I used my sharing name. I finally got it working here! The Magic Trick was to type in the network's IP address, rather then its sharing name, in TouchOSC. Weird that that this should fix it for me, because both should actually work according to the protocol. I managed to right-click on faders in Numerology and do "Learn OSC". However, there's presently a bug in Numerology that cripples this - but this bug will soon be terminated. Then I launched Logic on the Mac and the LogicTouch template on the iPhone4, in TouchOSC. This combo works like a charm! Wow!!! On the iPad there is a much more useful app that beats hardware like the Lemur that is many times more expensive. I think you really need an iPad to really take advance of OSC, whatever application you intend to control. The reason for this opinion is that the point in using a multi touch interface for hand control is to be able to simultaneously wiggle at least two parameters at the same time. Four if steering two index fingers inside two X/Y vector grids. I don't see much use of multi touch control surface use in live looping though, because you usually play a source sound instrument with your hands. That's why I'm looking more into foot controlled multi pamater control options. But I'd love to use an iPad to set up a modular pattern sequencing improvisation system with Numerology. I think that is where TouchOSC will excel. Anyone in for building a Looper Cap with a downward antenna at front holding an iPhone at a comfortable tonguing position? LOL :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 15:43:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7E64183461; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D0A338D.2040903@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:43:09 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Peters CC: "'boost'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: jamming with myself References: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080303000005090207000504" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:43:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080303000005090207000504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > Apparently this video has moved to > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApFb5sMfThk > in the meantime. This is really cool. I"m just wondering, how is he automating the process so that every over dub is doing what sound like SUS=SUB I'm not seeing him striking or stepping on anything early in the piece so it seems like the process is automated Am I missing something? Very cool, however he's accomplishing it. rick walker --------------080303000005090207000504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote:
Apparently this video has moved to
in the meantime.
This is really cool.

I"m just wondering, how is he automating the process so that every over dub is doing
what sound like SUS=SUB

I'm not seeing him striking or stepping on  anything early in the piece
 so it seems like the process is automated

Am I missing something?

Very cool, however he's accomplishing it.

rick walker
--------------080303000005090207000504-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 15:45:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CE2B183473; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 569 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:45:21 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h= message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=helpwantedproductions.com; b=bEHev2Jg72Z8a8z5s5X7lMgKg9O0vwjBBle4lejPxYohYAbMRhIe9yzzw8I4j S7T2VOGBKKUOuXLifhaig1AcssHgz4ZNdPqjjqiE5N3GYyZ8GO/4TbPDPmvulM1J G/UkQBdUt9KpQNCdLpNuNeQod/JcO7zMdAI97vY0Rud0Pw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=helpwantedproductions.com; bh=6Fqec xieo5IUQ53Axe5TURTItcg=; b=JNJtZklHKJAeViitPoGgdRasrAuc/B8g81LLo degvzOS5tVTV9XaCZRkoPUJNOZAvMfp9VbGSq1V1MFXz6dw2l++z76kp6cd1Ed5Y vQAd4FjfuNwbwNzSYnroOaz6aaWs8vPh/GsY1QId7/whhb5FTDDXIn8SFc/CBgVL UsRwME= Message-ID: <7cfce5f75281b79ca213225c9005008f.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:45:24 -0800 Subject: Get BENT by DAED for the 'olidays... From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: "Synth DIY" , "Loopers Delight" , "AH" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:45:21 +0000 (UTC) I'm discounting the current inventory of various circuit bent units and the infamous DAED feedback synth while they last. Some are DIRT cheap ($30-$65) and the FBS is now $200 if you mention this post - Normally $25= 0 - only two in stock. See various video demos up at: http://www.youtube.com/user/legionhwp Full pictures and info up at: http://daedsound.com/Salez/FS.htm and http://daedsound.com/Salez/Daedhandmade.htm A. 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Point to Point hand wired weirdness. Pic at: http://daedsound.com/Salez/Daedhandmade.htm more! Email me here or INFO@DAEDsound.com. Will ship anywhere in the world (hav= e a lot of sales to Europe right now for some reason they need more noise!) Thanks for looking! Dr. DAED --=20 --------------------------------------- NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices "Making Something Extrodinary from the Ordinary" Music and More at the Mothership: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 15:57:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B77D18345B; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1274 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:57:07 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h= message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=helpwantedproductions.com; b=X58yB0rIqHMMLQroD71jvg4aObcEGxQT12LVnoNL5F+bxPf/jhzfK8EOptSVg IA/ES34uRHGcBnVlnKm1TPcxNdnzdPyYPl2phRUdx0zlMeOEv8460DnfzgypVIGt 1G8ZCI4CL0GOEN0YOj7+cIbM/lUMFgSamYgiQpMjVpp70U= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=helpwantedproductions.com; bh=Mb3bv rP3jRBEw+NXcT+4eh9fZDg=; b=F+tfdwHTGQwTzjSIE9CO2cXfZFJ7L6LmBvnSL zo3KXYPFzUce7FFD8AK6tQAIEFNUmx0XTKtJucZjGW07Vmn0UHbmA5NnKQssyAkv NedU0xNPeBdmH1pRTiS7HytAv+tSo4zwVFd4i1uiYoQ+kqI7AxAXisgkd3UXdzZj s7pQr8= Message-ID: <06fe8a46efc8735cb7085920999e62d4.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:35:51 -0800 Subject: FS: Ironwood 10 String Chapman Stick - From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: "Loopers Delight" , "AH" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Chapman Stick - Original 1980s Ironwood 10 string - $1200 (yes, it's the same model Tony Levin used in Crimson :) ) Pictures up at : http://daedsound.com/Salez/FS.htm 10 string Chapman stick. Excellent condition with new strings, original hard shell case with new foam installed, and original leather strap and belt holder. This is a *gorgeous* Ironwood unit (no longer made) with beautiful markings. Works and play perfect and has a stereo 1/4" out and dual volumes for strings 1-5 (high end) and 6-10 (low end). Comes with a stere= o to dual mono 1/4" cable to allow you to run dual amps simultaneously if you wish. The case has 100% new custom cut foam in it to last another 20+ years and the hard shell outer case is in excellent condition with all working latches and clasps. Even has the original stick sticker! You will not find another classic Stick in such magnificent condition let alone an ironwood unit. New strings were installed and it has seen VERY little use and was never gigged. Clearly it has spent most of it's life i= n it's case like a time capsule. I have some original papers that I will include if I can find them. Will send additional pictures to serious buyers. Full info and price list for new units (again, NO Ironwood available at any price) up at http://www.stick.com. FWIW The case, cable, and strings cost over $200. I have a ton of references on and off the 'net and This unit can be boxe= d up well and shipped anywhere in the world. Paypal ok if buyer used personal payment or pays fees. Pickup in Philly PA is preferred of course and will be reflected in a little discount. Any questions? Email! Thanks! --------------------------------------- NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices "Making Something Extrodinary from the Ordinary" Music and More at the Mothership: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 16:18:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E419183461; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nm3i7cUY3EoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=Jme0dWS9-m5raSHvP0oA:9 a=VB9bmzeAdQkhQQau0GgWgw-GoQ4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D0A338D.2040903@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: OT: POTENTIALLY INTERESTING EBAY FIND FOR PERCUSSION LOOPERS & OTHERS Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:18:36 -0800 References: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> <4D0A338D.2040903@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi all! I was looking around on Ebay for other things nd stumbled across this thing quite by accident. Could be useful for all sort of things I imagine. I thought of you rick especially when I saw it. Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 17:17:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EB73183457; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:17:10 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Jeff Larson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175ce0b66c523604978a39a8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:17:14 +0000 (UTC) --0015175ce0b66c523604978a39a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I finally got it working here! The Magic Trick was to type in the > network's IP address, rather then its sharing name, in TouchOSC. Weird > that that this should fix it for me, because both should actually work > according to the protocol. I've always had to use raw IP addresses with TouchOSC. I don't fully understand this, but I think it has to do with DNS (Domain Name System) not being able to find an entry for your machine. I think if you have a router like an Airport then the iTouch can be configured to use that for DNS, but if you try to connect directly to your computer without a router it can't translate names to IP addresses. > I don't see much use of multi touch control surface use in live > looping though, because you usually play a source sound instrument > with your hands. That's why I'm looking more into foot controlled > multi pamater control options. When I was adding support for TouchOSC in Mobius, I used velcro to attach an iTouch to the body of a guitar. It looks geeky as hell, but it worked reasonably well for adjusting track output levels and switching loops. I don't think I would use it for anything where timing was critical though. Jeff --0015175ce0b66c523604978a39a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> I finally got it working here! The Magic Trick was to type in t= he
> network's IP address, rather then its sharing name, in TouchO= SC. Weird
> that that this should fix it for me, because both = should actually work
> according to the protocol.

I've always had to use raw IP addresses with TouchOSC. = =A0I don't fully
understand this, but I think it has to do wi= th DNS (Domain Name
System) not being able to find an entry for y= our machine. =A0I think if you
have a router like an Airport then the iTouch can be configured to use=
that for DNS, but if you try to connect directly to your compute= r without
a router it can't translate names to IP addresses.<= /div>

> I don't see much use of multi touch control su= rface use in live
> looping though, because you usually play a= source sound instrument
> with your hands. That's why I&#= 39;m looking more into foot controlled
> multi pamater control options.

When I wa= s adding support for TouchOSC in Mobius, I used velcro
to attach = an iTouch to the body of a guitar. =A0It looks geeky as hell,
but= it worked reasonably well for adjusting track output levels
and switching loops. =A0I don't think I would use it for anything<= /div>
where timing was critical though. =A0

Je= ff

--0015175ce0b66c523604978a39a8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 17:27:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 071FB183457; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 09:27:36 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:27:44 +0000 (UTC) I can't say that I've been following this closely, but I have a general question to everyone who seems excited about the use of wireless phone apps for music making. Are you mostly interested in controlling looper apps remotely, effects apps remotely or using it as a secondary or principal instrument/sound source? Also are there similar apps yet for windows based phones yet? Blackberries etc....... lastly what seems to be the fascination with trying to control apps on a touch screen? As a guitarist, I'm not really that excited about something I have to use my free hand to control. I have no free hands!!!!!!. Pardon me if I sound a bit non impressed, but I'm not impressed. :-) Having a tiny little screen to use as a controller seems like a recipe for for a lot of squinting. And then there is the visual aspect of watching someone who looks like there texting. It makes me feel a bit disconnected from the music making experience. Now I'm not saying one can't create beautiful music in this manner, quite the contrary. Massimo did some lovely stuff to close out Y2K10 this year and I know Randolph has integrated one very well with a mount for it on the front of his Klien guitar. I would like to know in more detail what the fascination is. My wife and I are needing new phones and I would go the way of an I phone if I really felt that the extra expense was warranted. Anybody out there now on the downside of the I phone craze yet, or starting to feel the inherent limitations in a 4 inch control surface? I appreciate any feedback. Thanks Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 17:43:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 951DF183461; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1Y52ZW+Xy4Su8MtR1vZ6kfRthv/3jW7l4W8q1ihjjWw=; b=DJbBS7qOaeJsAWCrV2mnKYdES7K5DGybELdurOybC0HsqzOQ/+yd/fT1NQBAp9r5AO p8aZKEDG04aOBURLhbFQZrmvRh4J8iUrCoNy8xO86gqS7igFC2cPVqNKgoicQ0KGh1oV lwEa+55A7lfMM7Q0XOOEmHcXSlhFMmDjJwo20= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qXz10Rd+shUC3bieSEuFDPJKRqEQK0Zk5469uxPyQo9NVbWs/0Nbzm03rFPO+v6G01 lTKIFeF5f7dsNYxwNpGJTfDDa4/AwnQuXhnGTh8AQCy3wTpB8cAe9Wy7yrF3I079ZcT6 SWuFeht+vYYUEaAXNuZ1ICldTowil0pznmikk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <81FB32F6-6B4D-46AC-BAC9-55BE76FD7DE2@googlemail.com> <-8114285487414997555@unknownmsgid> <4D04EDCE.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:43:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-FU9a.A.LgD.b_kCNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:43:55 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Jeff Larson wr= ote: > When I was adding support for TouchOSC in Mobius, I used velcro > to attach an iTouch to the body of a guitar. =C2=A0It looks geeky as hell= , > but it worked reasonably well for adjusting track output levels > and switching loops. =C2=A0I don't think I would use it for anything > where timing was critical though. I see your point here. I can imagine using OSC with Mobius for settings you typically adjust between the pieces you perform. Like changing Setup to call up a new MIDI configuration that patches your foot control Rate Shift setup for a different scale. I prefer foot control in most other situations. My dream is a floor based touch pad to paint instant sound design X-Y vector grid wise while playing. On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:27 PM, William Walker wr= ote: > As a guitarist, I'm not really that excited about something I have to use= my > free hand to control. Totally with you on this, Bill. Personally I recently sacrificed "my free hand" on the Altar of The Stick. Personally, I see not much use for iPhone in live looping performance. An iPad would be useful though, I think, but not for live looping. Rather for performing with all-in-the-box electronic instruments as in doing live modular sequencing improvisations. IMHO the point with these gadgets is not to get rid of physical cables but to be able to perform multiple instant gestures on the multi touch screen. So the strength of touch screen is kind of diminished by physical instruments you play using your hands. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 17:45:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27ECE18345B; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: : Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 09:44:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Willytronics, Billytronics, Wigglytronics, I too have a loop moniker or two or three. ok perhaps not as sexy sounding as Faboitronics.............. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 17:51:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A7AC18345B; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 592372.68295.bm@omp1008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=wUq2DEwNireWIsSdSrmBE3GtyKfhXwkLYenmdvZxMK+r+THnNYURblfjavZVTZR+TjFACVzXPo3H6RzBitWAixwoz0hERAWQBr7LkUcS1v672TadYH279aTnV85BHnr7NM1/PgyLx2GSdqZsVG3MAFmggAV1Vkjn6VhEPDN6Ebs= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1292521867; bh=4EzUS75ilaxQZzatO0S0M5KwtFbb2TnDNnyWVvQwsWE=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=nvWiiWs/S3bIyUHi398PJFugMBkFyi5pSGxbVgEsDfGOLN9bPk3qYga5jehDkM6rCdBPR9pc4up0+lZkg2D3bd1BiIRQZ8U2pGFbS5r0xvizB+BEcjXHsqmpg4jMADSuwN9A0b35vlGKTiKH8KHUz5EouYdToKMOI6YWbW9PLyk= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: zeaTsekVM1l_AYvkPyEOl9obkaDKDR.L7wCLNt.aTxnhiR2 zOEteBFa_rxdELqkY3cekmhIR2LkB6nBAsPFSnCs111WKzO8.6KI1Mj_ZP_L N7Edwrvby49ol4xHOBFZ5cZP.WabMnufaHtyQiTl_CHvgJRNShFqWlqEWhH3 kNWSqu_4tXHKhYwHwlSJqggxQONqhxpt2upIMU6EYILxbGm2QeVJIAlaEH_z .fG7T88YowToFusEjsHdb3CKa023X6XOm6.NISZTt13pTDIu8Sv3xTNEUaDy 07O0h5ZsEMgT9ak4s4I0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-37-682043859 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: : Re: Travis & Fripp (an article about looping ?) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:50:56 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:51:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-37-682043859 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Willytronics!!! Blimey that sounds like looping fetish porn!! Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 16 Dec 2010, at 17:44, William Walker wrote: > Willytronics, Billytronics, Wigglytronics, I too have a loop > moniker or two or three. > > ok perhaps not as sexy sounding as Faboitronics.............. > --Apple-Mail-37-682043859 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Willytronics!!! Blimey that sounds like looping fetish = porn!!

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 16 Dec 2010, = at 17:44, William Walker wrote:

Willytronics,  Billytronics, = Wigglytronics,  I too = have a loop moniker or two or three.

 ok perhaps not as sexy = sounding as Faboitronics..............

=

= --Apple-Mail-37-682043859-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 17:59:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0414183474; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hgPyX+obzU/CXYmZHXkkprkzcTQn8EzbKqzpogS6Fzs=; b=k2iC2eAKMXLt1lNwtPnJ15syNjsbv79glH7TIu5/gUjoIth3p7lour1kuf2qxOsI9i DrYaZb6ws5t8octSCGODX/6PFKS5nJzqLMmagAC9jliVZlph2k3uAR5NEbA67T0J3D6p CUKCm++hGnj+ZnDIHHnGjZEvFA9p44qZxLf3w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=hlTnewkV7j5XV3jrfzh2bmMCkAg89Q5dl4O20RdZmbaMnhIN7AerlffdHjU6HMykFt FL2klPHhE4q9AkpR1qNx2P79cXdPGI5MZYv2Gy/jtXyqZ8+L6m/Q3TO5M/hf+CNPy4E1 +qFklejCnA5VsWsOcCCk7rpUooaKBQdQsRjAM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:59:16 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3ed24e942dc04978acf7b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:59:17 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd3ed24e942dc04978acf7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i've downloaded many music apps for my ipod touch and some of them are great fun, but i wouldn't use them for music making (personally). i was interested in the touchosc app, because i have an excellent control surface that i use with mobius/bidule, buy no XY pad and i kinda miss my KP-2 since i sold it. spending 3 quid on a little app seemed like a good solution and now i have a little XY pad i can use to fiddle with delays on the fly and do that whole "runaway feedback" thing, or that "sweepy filters" thing that XY pads are so useful for and it's hardy cost me anything! sim On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:27 PM, William Walker wrote: > I can't say that I've been following this closely, but I have a general > question to everyone who seems excited about the use of wireless phone apps > for music making. Are you mostly interested in controlling looper apps > remotely, effects apps remotely or using it as a secondary or principal > instrument/sound source? > --000e0cd3ed24e942dc04978acf7b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i've downloaded many music apps for my ipod touch and some of them are = great fun, but i wouldn't use them for music making (personally). i was= interested in the touchosc app, because i have an excellent control surfac= e that i use with mobius/bidule, buy no XY pad and i kinda miss my KP-2 sin= ce i sold it. spending 3 quid on a little app seemed like a good solution a= nd now i have a little XY pad i can use to fiddle with delays on the fly an= d do that whole "runaway feedback" thing, or that "sweepy fi= lters" thing that XY pads are so useful for and it's hardy cost me= anything!

sim

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:27 PM, = William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
=A0 =A0I can't say that I've been following this closely, but I ha= ve a general question to everyone who seems excited about the use of wirele= ss phone apps for music making. =A0Are you mostly interested in controlling= looper apps remotely, effects apps remotely or using it as a secondary or = principal =A0instrument/sound source?
--000e0cd3ed24e942dc04978acf7b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 18:00:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8452718347F; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:00:49 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Jeff Larson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cafbc72d02804978ad5ea Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:00:51 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cafbc72d02804978ad5ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > William Walker wrote: > > Are you mostly interested in controlling looper apps remotely, > effects apps remotely or using it as a secondary or principal > instrument/sound source? Mostly controlling the looper, but some effects control as well. > lastly what seems to be the fascination with trying to > control apps on a touch screen? For me it is simply having a control surface that is small, wireless and configurable so I can position the "buttons" in different ways for different songs or switch between "pages" to control different effects with button arrangements tailored for those effects. > As a guitarist, I'm not really that > excited about something I have to use my free hand to control. Yeah, for me this doesn't replace a footswitch. I would still use a footswitch for things where timing is critical and you need to be playing when they happen, like starting/stopping a recording or an overdub. The control surface is more for manipulating loops after they have been recorded when you don't have to be playing. > Having a tiny little screen to use as a > controller seems like a recipe for for a lot of squinting. Agreed, some of the TouchOSC layouts are way too small to be of practical use. But the nice thing is that you can use their software to design your own layouts so if you just need three big buttons and a slider you can do that. > And then there is the visual aspect of watching someone who > looks like there texting. I find that wearing a lot of leather and having one of those big fans blowing on you helps offset this effect. > My wife and I are needing new phones and I would go the way of > an I phone if I really felt that the extra expense was warranted. Whether or not you end up using it for music, if you're thinking about a "smart phone" that requires a data plan like a Blackberry or I guess one of the new Windows phones I would think hard about getting an iPhone instead. You might pay a little more for the hardware up front, but in the long run you're still going to be paying at least $15 a month for data and you will find many more interesting uses for that data money with an iPhone. I mean come on...how have you lived this long without iFart? Second choice would be an Android phone, they're #2 but gaining fast. Jeff --0015175cafbc72d02804978ad5ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> William Walker <bill= walker@baymoon.com> wrote:
>=A0
> Are you = mostly interested in controlling looper apps remotely,=A0
> ef= fects apps remotely or using it as a secondary or principal
> instrument/sound source?=A0

Mostly contr= olling the looper, but some effects control as well.

> lastly what seems to be the fascination with trying to
> control apps on a touch screen? =A0

For me it= is simply having a control surface that is small, wireless
and c= onfigurable so I can position the "buttons" in different ways for=
different songs or switch between "pages" to control differe= nt effects
with button arrangements tailored for those effects.

> As a guitarist, I'm not really that
> excited about something I have to use my free hand to control.=A0=

Yeah, for me this doesn't replace a footswitc= h. =A0I would still
use a footswitch for things where timing is c= ritical and you
need to be playing when they happen, like starting/stopping=A0
a recording or an overdub. =A0The control surface is more for=A0
manipulating loops after they have been recorded when you
don&= #39;t have to be playing.

> Having a tiny little screen to use as a
= > controller seems like a recipe for for a lot of squinting.=A0

Agreed, some of the TouchOSC layouts are way too small to = be of
practical use. =A0But the nice thing is that you can use their softwar= e
to design your own layouts so if you just need three big button= s and a
slider you can do that.

> And= then there is the visual aspect of watching someone who=A0
> looks like there texting.=A0

I find that= wearing a lot of leather and having one of those
big fans blowin= g on you helps offset this effect.

> My wife an= d I are needing new phones and I would go the way of
> an I phone if I really felt that the extra expense was warranted.= =A0

Whether or not you end up using it for music, = if you're thinking
about a "smart phone" that requi= res a data plan like a Blackberry or I
guess one of the new Windows phones I would think hard about getting
an iPhone instead. =A0You might pay a little more for the hardware= up
front, but in the long run you're still going to be payin= g at least=A0
$15 a month for data and you will find many more interesting uses
for that data money with an iPhone. =A0I mean come on...how have
you lived this long without iFart?

Second ch= oice would be an Android phone, they're #2 but gaining fast.

Jeff

--0015175cafbc72d02804978ad5ea-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 18:17:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDEBA183482; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: jamming with myself Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:17:02 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 141.151.136.167 In-Reply-To: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32992-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD6B64920B2681-7A0-702@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:17:17 +0000 (UTC) tasty!!!!!.....i love how you relax with the loop, something i must=20 learn to do! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 18:23:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD09618348D; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=h+JwO05xB1OYrbaCTpwya0o/ZiNCiIObOukKHLZqj6c=; b=oFxNQdDUDxdnM9c0lHYEEZ0qoIbeNCE/ZBKS+4Kj+XxLEEh4Zec4ZsjwGaM29S5Lag gEhkh2VOfG1n51YfA9MxF8o9b2hXoVVZgAN3teD96ydjTGuqIPWv3Z+GSDppY3Dzujmy h98//tBxuhWJ50p6iEfhCVzzuRTrbS8E3AZg0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZnWbH3zT9SZj2LD4FLQVivt4nEVkeij0TvUPXDPWA+32AKYp/Gy831ojW4lIXR3v3u tXbjOger44ixiJf2PTWnP2Cr/YdEmZGSWUrrlx+GqdtirQ8Y4/jWEXM3dc+Mcm11h6ud DeFPNV/D6Kj6oLtePd5wRuR0VdNhZhfnIlWIU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:23:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:23:08 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: >> My wife and I are needing new phones and I would go the way of >> an I phone if I really felt that the extra expense was warranted. I just got one 4 last week, to replace my stone age old Ericsson, so I'm not a specialist. But the vary first impression is that this phone will save me a lot of other costs and distractions. Since I work by delivering - rather than positioning my body at some location during certain hours dictated by The Man - the iphone 4 effect makes money for me. I did a web search and bought the cheapest account with regard to how I use the technology, and it isn't expensive. But then I am mostly at places where a no cost wireless network is available and most people I interact with have Skype, so I can run Skype app on the iphone and make voice calls that way (but Apple have crippled the video Skype call option; the iphone's Front Face camera only works with Apples Front Face call app). My life is easier now when I don't have to walk around with iPod, mobile phone and camera in my pockets (just the iphone 4). Useful apps I dig is those that hook up directly to collective transportation systems at different Swedish cities. This makes it faster to check out the fastest way to go somewhere and do it while you're on the way, not having to plan the trip in advance (taking away time from other activities).... etc, etc... A lot comes down to the fact that Apple's products are easy and fast to use and well integrated and for this reason it makes more sense to go with the iphone4 if you already use Apple pc's and software. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 18:34:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2338218347F; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:33:52 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 141.151.136.167 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32992-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD6B66EC952CC1-7A0-B7D@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:34:08 +0000 (UTC) << As a guitarist, I'm not really that excited about something I have=20 to use my free hand to control. I have no free hands!!!!!!. >>.....bill=20 sez! that's sort of what i meant when i said that boost "relaxes with the=20 loop".....i feel this need to always be adding something to the=20 loop..... if i'm not doing that, i have a lot of "free hand" time.....but, as we=20 all know, young bill is the king of the hand jive!.....do you think=20 that the i-pad will ever be a phone, also?.....phones are too small imho! =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 18:54:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8339018345B; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tVrGQKku7q0Rdf+gariQkzZN3TSkUA5TJj0j1ERVunk=; b=MxthJOd/p7CzyePGbWhT9ctI7M29HqCMF6GDis+fcHf3/+5h+Ga9AC3wqijU9/ttBt 2eZeli0WIvVXfk31tKXznREaAVbg/mcgniSRPhp8RDusgQUjoOc7/I1upNGZqJbaFVYR 9l08cSyCgZgjEHJrV3V+leu74HatEI35z1lRU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ET/vy1z8hSLrhNgDRIDV55I0tR9QkkdnjW4+tvbVf9w2iDTSpUYr//oHb27K4dmGRH 1BdUJb2Ws9AdTQQrjrCqZoYPwk2QSR4RKsCU61mnpHZCwYvso8Ygpzjwj0YxYwDaTSdn vnRaI2dUo16ifzgQ0JvpQdnQQOzPkUZcqV2rU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CD6B66EC952CC1-7A0-B7D@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD6B66EC952CC1-7A0-B7D@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:54:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:54:04 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, wrote: > do you think that the i-pad will ever > be a phone, also? That I was wondering too, not long ago. However, making iPads possible to use as mobile phones would like Apple shooting itself in the foot ;-) Each of their great products have at least one small quirk that makes us need another product of theirs. Ipad not being allowed to double up as mobile phone is one example, Skype on iPhone not allowed to access the Front Face camera is another example. They are experts on this kind of marketing. For the consumer the challenge is to combine their products in a way that you are only using the great features in each of them and never run into the gotta-get-our-next-product-to-do-what-you-are-trying bummer. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 19:03:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 971C018347E; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D0A625E.9030404@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:02:54 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: legion@helpwantedproductions.com CC: Synth DIY , Loopers Delight , AH Subject: Re: Get BENT by DAED for the 'olidays... References: <7cfce5f75281b79ca213225c9005008f.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> In-Reply-To: <7cfce5f75281b79ca213225c9005008f.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:03:22 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: > I'm discounting the current inventory of various circuit bent units and > the infamous DAED feedback synth while they last. Some are DIRT cheap > ($30-$65) and the FBS is now $200 if you mention this post - Normally $250 > - only two in stock. I own the DAED Disturbo DS-1 mod and the DAED Bass Theremin and I think they are both amazing. Saving my moolah to get the DAED Feedback Synth and the DAED Juicy Wah (modded Crybaby Wah pedal). The DAED Disturbo DS-1 is a mod of the Boss DS-1 Distortion box, which preserves and enriches the original sound of the pedal but then has several mods that make it an amazing noise generator. http://www.youtube.com/user/legionhwp#p/u/2/6eUQOCOnJWY I've become quite the fan of botique (and prosaic) distortion, feedback, overdrive and fuzz pedals and this is one of my very favorite pedals. What is so great is that this is a botique pedal mod that is extremely inexpensive and sounds as good as many of the $300 pedals outside there. It also generates it's own noise if you want so you don't need an input device (necessarily). I truly love it. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 20:45:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FF92183457; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! References: <8CD6B66EC952CC1-7A0-B7D@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> From: "Andy Owens" thread-topic: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! thread-index: AcudYhuT4UznHwIFSE2masoCGdRzuA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <8CD6B66EC952CC1-7A0-B7D@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <142869B4-1B0E-409D-BF30-6F08C945F472@1800dialword.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:44:05 -0500 To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2010 20:45:35.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[304F2480:01CB9D62] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Was just hanging overnight with a buddy that manages an apple store, and the= re's no word that ipad will be a phone anytime soon, but when it first came o= ut there was a rumor it would going around.=20 I love my 4G but dont do any music apps on it much.=20 Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:34 PM, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > << As a guitarist, I'm not really that excited about something I have to u= se my free hand to control. I have no free hands!!!!!!. >>.....bill sez! >=20 > that's sort of what i meant when i said that boost "relaxes with the loop"= .....i feel this need to always be adding something to the loop..... > if i'm not doing that, i have a lot of "free hand" time.....but, as we all= know, young bill is the king of the hand jive!.....do you think that the i-= pad will ever > be a phone, also?.....phones are too small imho! >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 20:51:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BB99183461; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D0A7BB0.7070403@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:50:56 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:51:01 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Historic Edition Volume 6" which is a self-released title. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#dec You will also hear new music released on the Groove Unlimited label. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 22:07:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08D1C183457; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:07:25 UTC Message-ID: From: "boost" To: References: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> <4D0A338D.2040903@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: RE: jamming with myself Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:00:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01CB9D75.107D9070" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101216-1, 16/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 10090877916770975410 X-Ovh-Remote: 81.220.209.20 (ip-20.net-81-220-209.rev.numericable.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:07:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CB9D75.107D9070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for your support everybody ! i do intensive use of the SUS-Replace function of the echoplex , but = you're right Rick there is a sequence running from the begining to the = end. a midi seq played on the MPC1000, and that retrigg the loops = rythmicaly. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Walker=20 To: Michael Peters=20 Cc: 'boost' ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:43 PM Subject: Re: RE: jamming with myself On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote:=20 Apparently this video has moved to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DApFb5sMfThk in the meantime. This is really cool. I"m just wondering, how is he automating the process so that every = over dub is doing=20 what sound like SUS=3DSUB I'm not seeing him striking or stepping on anything early in the = piece so it seems like the process is automated Am I missing something? Very cool, however he's accomplishing it. rick walker ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CB9D75.107D9070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you for your support everybody = !
 
i do intensive use of the SUS-Replace = function of=20 the echoplex , but you're right Rick there is a sequence running from = the=20 begining to the end. a midi seq played on the MPC1000, and that retrigg = the=20 loops rythmicaly.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rick Walker=20
Cc: 'boost' ; Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, December 16, = 2010 4:43=20 PM
Subject: Re: RE: jamming with=20 myself

On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote:=20
Apparently this video has moved to
in the meantime.
This is = really=20 cool.

I"m just wondering, how is he automating the process so = that=20 every over dub is doing
what sound like SUS=3DSUB

I'm not = seeing him=20 striking or stepping on  anything early in the piece
 so = it seems=20 like the process is automated

Am I missing = something?

Very cool,=20 however he's accomplishing it.

rick = walker
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CB9D75.107D9070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 22:33:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7720B183457; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012160169 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-16_11:2010-12-16,2010-12-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: iphone music app recommendations Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:32:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Here's a list of the ones I'd recommend (organized into categories) and have used in performance situations (3GS (4.2.1) iPhone to volume pedal to looper): TOOLS: iStrobeSoft - tuner RECORDERS: iProRecorder Fire PROCESSORS: SFSsynth (my favorite) Resonizer Filtatron (Moog Music) Otto AMBIENT (for creating pads etc.) Droneo KepplersOrrery Aura Aura Flux PERCUSSION: PanDrumFull TongueDrum Bowls (nice for pads) MandalaMuOdd:Hang THERIMEN: Cosmovox BeBot (despite the goofy interface) NOISY (staticky/ glitchy stuff): Space iGlendyne aardvark Sonic Wire modAxis Free INSTRUMENTS: ThumbJam (will loop onboard instruments or incoming audio) Morphwiz Gayageum Bubble Harp Zen Music Musical DNA Noise.io Pro (great synth but too much learning curve for me - though Amidio apps are great) VISUALIZERS (great for adding music driven visuals) NOTE: these only send video out on an iPhone 4 or iPad: iBeams - the best from the standpoint of tweakabillity. Used on an iPad - out to digital projector onto the wall - worked well. Audiogasm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 22:50:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDDE8183461; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=El+DyZSFU/SgJvfFko4gWhX59MbnI7MUTnv0zBVD350=; b=DfMieuSD2SHRrl/8vMub3tEjyFbC9MkIelPfP484Px+v9T1fZtJ+HabinxbeZ/DX+y 5HBLJG5Fc03u4P73LPqjEAzA451xI+gKvkOkRfNSqK2E1NfSse0nx6D37TBM1m1gHM7+ xU7JuaMulE9BtL7pDglublIw3hywGOAGzFC+Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=YjAEz/rV+KM6VnQdyolLOLE0TrpbxXEYEgHOagoxFMe+HRami9vWrvTFsIlq6VFcIS L0rknaEVPwX+UNbVlkYR6uwtgx7oD1qtsRsyvKDLtjQ/Dr8Fljt6DWDIPw5vfMoBti4q nIfC4XfidCHOCPz+arpfwab8TDtlM5YkC/4oM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:50:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iphone music app recommendations From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367b67c6da7e1104978ee201 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:50:55 +0000 (UTC) --0016367b67c6da7e1104978ee201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul thanks for these. I know a couple, I'm kind of getting in to this and thinking about getting an iPad. Jim On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Here's a list of the ones I'd recommend (organized into categories) and > have used in performance situations (3GS (4.2.1) iPhone to volume pedal t= o > looper): > > TOOLS: > iStrobeSoft - tuner > > RECORDERS: > iProRecorder > Fire > > PROCESSORS: > SFSsynth (my favorite) > Resonizer > Filtatron (Moog Music) > Otto > > AMBIENT (for creating pads etc.) > Droneo > KepplersOrrery > Aura > Aura Flux > > PERCUSSION: > PanDrumFull > TongueDrum > Bowls (nice for pads) > MandalaMuOdd:Hang > > THERIMEN: > Cosmovox > BeBot (despite the goofy interface) > > NOISY (staticky/ glitchy stuff): > Space > iGlendyne > aardvark > Sonic Wire > modAxis Free > > INSTRUMENTS: > ThumbJam (will loop onboard instruments or incoming audio) > Morphwiz > Gayageum > Bubble Harp > Zen Music > Musical DNA > Noise.io Pro (great synth but too much learning curve for me - though > Amidio apps are great) > > VISUALIZERS (great for adding music driven visuals) NOTE: these only send > video out on an iPhone 4 or iPad: > iBeams - the best from the standpoint of tweakabillity. Used on an iPad = - > out to digital projector onto the wall - worked well. > Audiogasm > > > > > > > > > --=20 >From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com --0016367b67c6da7e1104978ee201 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul thanks for these.=A0 I know a couple, I'm kind of getting in to th= is and thinking about getting an iPad.

Jim

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Paul Mimlitsch = <pmimlitsch@mac.com>= wrote:
Here's a list= of the ones I'd recommend (organized into categories) and have used in= performance situations (3GS (4.2.1) iPhone to volume pedal to looper):

TOOLS:
iStrobeSoft - tuner

RECORDERS:
iProRecorder
Fire

PROCESSORS:
SFSsynth (my favorite)
Resonizer
Filtatron (Moog Music)
Otto

AMBIENT (for creating pads etc.)
Droneo
KepplersOrrery
Aura
Aura Flux

PERCUSSION:
PanDrumFull
TongueDrum
Bowls (nice for pads)
MandalaMuOdd:Hang

THERIMEN:
Cosmovox
BeBot (despite the goofy interface)

NOISY (staticky/ glitchy stuff):
Space
iGlendyne
aardvark
Sonic Wire
modAxis Free

INSTRUMENTS:
ThumbJam (will loop onboard instruments or incoming audio)
Morphwiz
Gayageum
Bubble Harp
Zen Music
Musical DNA
Noise.io Pro (great synth but too much learning curve for me - though Amidi= o apps are great)

VISUALIZERS (great for adding music driven visuals) NOTE: these only send v= ideo out on an iPhone 4 or iPad:
iBeams - the best from the standpoint of tweakabillity. =A0Used on an iPad = - out to digital projector onto the wall - worked well.
Audiogasm











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--0016367b67c6da7e1104978ee201-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 22:51:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB223183475; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9zlzOVyJbGKc8Q0lsPY7BbWstG3/64qZ4SGPWreOaWc=; b=RXWNc1S+6tbNenUtCcC4pgx0M14n6QZn6PV2QtcCUqXMJeW7fBgW+xZrKVKfXMtMsd D3P5McXByDxOXhKHA4yOc0yKnxYbT+l5fp/k+kJnXeDUiPdyPn2TLQNXDEGb/dV2KPad g4qsHzU177QhVL18BZ9k4oUP/z0uHLP6A/nEI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=C8jB61zd7v29DTxHh/2wv7oZn8XdusZNc6vT8zyGiGlUH7v2ZYkRK2StjT0cGbRZjc AkQi+TKZlynu7lDvgozSafZU0uXV+aVzwLA9y2wsukEn2gcRJW+O6SYMvkSWjA+S+/Mn iWB54iuv6zn5liaF1DhFPQe4BnvBCECYsWUdQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <41BB7163-9A96-46A9-90EF-24AC0156ADFE@baymoon.com> References: <41BB7163-9A96-46A9-90EF-24AC0156ADFE@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:51:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Y2K10 fuzzy memories From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e640962a48b14404978ee3c3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:51:02 +0000 (UTC) --0016e640962a48b14404978ee3c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ten years ago I discovered how nice is to take audio recordings while travelling. I'm not talking about field recordings of nature or places with a specific sound. I'm talking about something similar to a photo picture: when I hear my friends' voices it's like being back to that moment. And each voices reminds me more than its sounds. This is a recording of a night in Santa Cruz at the very end of the Y2KX Loopfest, "soundtracked" with my music. Pure fun. Hope you'll enjoy it ! http://soundcloud.com/eterogeneo/y2kx-fuzzy-memories -f 2010/12/5 William Walker > Dear Friends, > Its raining steadily and gusting at times, I'm sitting in my little room > looking out the window at the all but decayed looper's shrine created by > Michael Klobuchar , aided by my wife Nancy, and contributed to by virtually > every looper who visited or stayed with us during the Loopfest. Due to an > inordinate amount of rain and stormy weather since the festival, most of the > shrine including the post industrial tiki tourches that Scoots constructed, > the skis, and the Lemonhead ladder have either blown down or rotted away. I > had to remove the rotting giant lemons finally, it wasn't a pretty sight... > For me this was the best festival yet, for many reasons, but primarily > because of the friendships created and renewed. It was particularly > gratifying for me that many of you on this list who I have become friends > with were able to make it back again or for the first time. Its just beyond > a thrill for me to get to hang out with you all, hear you play, and exchange > ideas. Oh and the music was great this year, a really strong and varied > group, and this year unlike the last several, I actually got to see nearly > everyone perform. I gotta say, over the past few years its been hard for me > to maintain a positive attitude, about the world, about money and even about > music, and the Loopfest always has a way of inspiring me and lifting me up. > It was remarkable to me what Rick was able to pull off, and it was really > fantastic that our neighbors stepped up and helped us house those of you > that traveled the farthest. > Thanks Rick for an amazing ride, thanks to the Chris and Nancy for > tremendous spousal support, thanks to everyone who volunteered in some way > and thanks to everyone who made the effort to come so far and share > yourselves with us. > > Bill > > > --0016e640962a48b14404978ee3c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ten years ago I = discovered how nice is to take audio recordings while travelling. I'm n= ot talking about field recordings of nature or places with a specific sound= . I'm talking about something similar to a photo picture: when I hear m= y friends' voices it's like being back to that moment. And each voi= ces reminds me more than its sounds. This is a recording of a night in Santa Cruz at the very end of the Y2KX Lo= opfest, "soundtracked" with my music. Pure fun. Hope you'll enjoy it !
http://sound= cloud.com/eterogeneo/y2kx-fuzzy-memories

-f


2010/12/5 Willi= am Walker <b= illwalker@baymoon.com>
Dear Friends,
=A0Its raining steadily and gusting at times, =A0I'm sitting in my litt= le room looking out the window at the all but decayed looper's shrine c= reated by Michael Klobuchar , aided by my wife Nancy, and contributed to by= virtually every looper who visited or stayed with us during the Loopfest. = =A0Due to an inordinate amount of rain and stormy weather since the festiva= l, most of the shrine including the post industrial tiki tourches that Scoo= ts constructed, the skis, and the Lemonhead ladder have either blown down o= r rotted away. I had to remove the rotting giant lemons finally, it wasn= 9;t a pretty sight... =A0For me this was the best festival yet, for many re= asons, =A0but primarily because of the friendships created and renewed. It = was particularly gratifying for me that many of you on this list who I have= become friends with were able to make it back again or for the first time.= =A0Its just beyond a thrill for me to get to hang out with you all, hear y= ou play, and exchange ideas. Oh and the music was great this year, a really= strong and varied group, and this year unlike the last several, I actually= got to see nearly everyone perform. =A0I gotta say, over the past few year= s its been hard for me to maintain a positive attitude, about the world, ab= out money and even about music, and the Loopfest =A0always has a way of ins= piring me and lifting me up. =A0It was remarkable to me what Rick was able = to pull off, =A0and it was really fantastic that our neighbors stepped up a= nd helped us house those of you that traveled the farthest.
Thanks Rick for an amazing ride, thanks to the Chris and Nancy for tremendo= us spousal support, thanks to everyone who volunteered in some way =A0and t= hanks to everyone who made the effort to come so far and share yourselves w= ith us.

Bill



--0016e640962a48b14404978ee3c3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 22:55:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0B15183466; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=23z2I0c/Gw0oSv/CcyhlDZb+KCFL/f1bF2HJZ9xfSbA=; b=xU/Ex/DvIxkSJbaabnhQffuXRM5o0jr3a7EPygmXu7anDu/LGbZfORb+ljxxah+GR7 yVXlmw7MFjOmo43SrFQCxUoMvjEXlkFj1+UVx8dBz/SFI2bREsVkGUtgyK+q+4I81BV+ rbrUnlWV+n3CU1i/hT36JQ5fB/f0lXXez6RF0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=P5AUpodcec9rYvDhxv9cOIazd+/7qW0nSz+mPAp0U106VbwApO1K+XORX7Zq09B2Sa U66z1vvA5LW35WrOZ3n548jc6MzxZ53vYcaBsYvYlxNARwazHjZBAzq6uKyJ2xKzm/to 77I80c4o2XwIEBdB3NqxMCP10gz8DIz3jDzjM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <41BB7163-9A96-46A9-90EF-24AC0156ADFE@baymoon.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:55:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Y2K10 fuzzy memories To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a5d0b9eb4d04978ef4bb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:55:55 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5a5d0b9eb4d04978ef4bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just Brilliant, Fabio! great sentiments, great track. It only makes me wish more that I'd been able to join you all at a Loopfest since Rick's been hosting 'em. Lovely to hear your music once again as well... (And I'd forward it to Steve Jobs... just kidding.) Cheers, my friend. Todd On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Fabio_A wrote: > Ten years ago I discovered how nice is to take audio recordings while > travelling. I'm not talking about field recordings of nature or places with > a specific sound. I'm talking about something similar to a photo picture: > when I hear my friends' voices it's like being back to that moment. And each > voices reminds me more than its sounds. This is a recording of a night in > Santa Cruz at the very end of the Y2KX Loopfest, "soundtracked" with my > music. Pure fun. Hope you'll enjoy it ! > http://soundcloud.com/eterogeneo/y2kx-fuzzy-memories > --001636c5a5d0b9eb4d04978ef4bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just Brilliant, Fabio! =A0

great sentiments, great track= . =A0It only makes me wish more that I'd been able to join you all at a= Loopfest since Rick's been hosting 'em. =A0

Lovely to hear your music once again as well... (And I'd forward it to = Steve Jobs... just kidding.)

Cheers, my friend.=A0=

Todd



On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Ten years ago I discovered how nice is to take audio r= ecordings while travelling. I'm not talking about field recordings of n= ature or places with a specific sound. I'm talking about something simi= lar to a photo picture: when I hear my friends' voices it's like be= ing back to that moment. And each voices reminds me more than its sounds. This is a recording of a night in Santa Cruz at the very end of the Y2KX Lo= opfest, "soundtracked" with my music. Pure fun. Hope you'll enjoy it !
--001636c5a5d0b9eb4d04978ef4bb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 22:56:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1DF0183480; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_uAaJEyEkZQ47PeQzcOpQYA)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012160173 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-16_11:2010-12-16,2010-12-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: audio to midi Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:56:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:56:56 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_uAaJEyEkZQ47PeQzcOpQYA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Didn't see any mention of this on the archives so thought I'd mention it here. One of the things I wanted to do when I made the recent move to a laptop based looping/ processing/ recording set up was to be able to play/ trigger "SynPlant" and various samples from Sonnicouture (gamelan, hang drum etc) with the low range recorders I play. Used the hardware Sonuus G2M for awhile before discovering this plug in: MP3 to MIDI and WAVE to MIDI Converter: WIDISOFT Features Using it in Ableton Live - does the trick and gets rid of another little piece of hardware. --Boundary_(ID_uAaJEyEkZQ47PeQzcOpQYA) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Didn't see any mention of this on the archives so thought I'd mention it here.  One of the things I wanted to do when I made the recent move to a laptop based looping/ processing/ recording set up was to be able to play/ trigger "SynPlant" and various samples from Sonnicouture (gamelan, hang drum etc) with the low range recorders I play.  Used the hardware Sonuus G2M for awhile before discovering this plug in:  MP3 to MIDI and WAVE to MIDI Converter: WIDISOFT Features
Using it in Ableton Live - does the trick and gets rid of another little piece of hardware.
--Boundary_(ID_uAaJEyEkZQ47PeQzcOpQYA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 23:01:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2F3918348A; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 425521683/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-nildram-customers/62.3.238.4/None/nick@1957.me.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.3.238.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@1957.me.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArABAIMoCk0+A+4E/2dsb2JhbAAMlgTSAIVKBIp9gws X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,357,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="425521683" X-IP-Direction: IN From: "nick@12testing.net" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:59:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: FCB1010 sysex for controlling EDP? Reply-to: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4D0A99DD.27451.2FE068A@nick.1957.me.uk> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:01:29 +0000 (UTC) My first ever EDP is arriving soon, but it is without a pedal. I'm familiar with programming the FCB1010, but there must be someone out there with a suitable sysex file, to save me re-programming the wheel? Any help appreciated! All the best, Nick Robinson music site : http://www.looping.me.uk myspace site : http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 23:02:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5B44183491; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-16_11:2010-12-16,2010-12-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012160174 Subject: RE: iphone music app recommendations From: Kenn Lowy In-reply-to: <20101216225103.9C5FB18347C@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:02:06 -0500 Message-id: References: <20101216225103.9C5FB18347C@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: <1rnWpD.A.6TF.ZqpCNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Also check out reBirth (iPhone and iPad versions. The ipad is much easier for real music work) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 23:06:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34EA218348F; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <21DE636F-939C-4C28-872C-03FC96F0A176@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Was Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! Now TouchOSC Why??????? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:06:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Also sprach Larson: I find that wearing a lot of leather and having one of those big fans blowing on you helps offset this effect.... This is indeed the ticket with the accompaning Helmut Newton inspired press packet!!! hilarious.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 23:10:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B6E31834A9; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012160175 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-16_11:2010-12-16,2010-12-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: Subject: Re: iphone music app recommendations Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:09:29 -0700 References: <20101216225103.9C5FB18347C@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <9Ks09D.A.UsF.cxpCNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:10:20 +0000 (UTC) forgot about reBirth and Korgs iElectribe - haven't gotten an iPad yet..... On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Kenn Lowy wrote: > Also check out reBirth (iPhone and iPad versions. The ipad is much > easier for real music work) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 16 23:55:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF119183476; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=ZSNsXKh+rQNk1b32PbO5z4bLrNMCzijETXQic9FXKQI=; b=ZIeczzgVzA0LkNKEAmGdRHfgP3SbOGKylvaJvy+leUpLbD2fsujtCiJqv1UkJEvPWk oQVcXwGbgGAsugBXQ/OLregJIoW7JkEaq0XffxqRvnmJ1dS9MqCVe6dVeOzD0bW1w9XK cUD08twKAfB7C4TRFS8vzy1Cg+5VmO7DS3kac= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=YP9Up3qJsfM7vWy3WK5RbglVMXybveQOIVI42f0lAiDPv/2swjk2YFhJmb5QvTSNb0 PcLOC7SzsVv4fiSolZ75whGe6p88A5olMMtoU4yCrTeRzhY9IZhmEoSFTBL6sCRZKxrq 4xKV2RnBkFcs6KR2o+3D/h/DO8MqrY15UafNU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <142869B4-1B0E-409D-BF30-6F08C945F472@1800dialword.com> References: <8CD6B66EC952CC1-7A0-B7D@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> <142869B4-1B0E-409D-BF30-6F08C945F472@1800dialword.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 00:55:01 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: kWXumA0i_-0rG8glFZ3PBIBn_nQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: TouchOSC / Bidule / Plugins HELP...! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054aa2f6e403604978fc9c0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:55:23 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054aa2f6e403604978fc9c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 iPhones? Great hand held computers, really CRAP phones... the 3s were OK the 3gs were rubbish.. (mine.. it crashes after 5 minutes talk) the 4s have bad sound and poor reception. Read my blog post (um.. no wait its not me.... its my secret alter ego, where my wife lets me moan all I want) http://grumpyenglishmaninnorway.wordpress.com/2010/12/14/telenor-customer-service-with-surprise-happy-ending/ The Apps.. well.. you get hooked.. and are frankly great... I also agree with Per that the save me time and money, I do my emails on the bus, not the serious writing but the scanning, and deleting, and forwarding... then when I get to my machine, I do the fun stuff! To Dos.. getting reminders either from your calendar or an app (My fave Epic Win!) I get stuff done, and remember the wedding anniversary... couild have done this before.. but didnt... Navigation... I got a perfectly reasonable GPS Saty Nav for 2 dollars! the music apps... and to Bills question... I would nt use it to replace something that already works well, namely my feet. But if I AM gonna use the laptop to loop, then I soon discovered stuff in the laptop that is fun... and one of them is tweaking and mangling the loop realtime with the mouse.. now THAT looks stupid, and is annoying cos you need a click down on the laptop trackpad. With the iphon and TouchOSC it works more like a Kaos Pad.. now thats cool.. and if you velcro it to you guitar like jeff, I think thats pretty close to be able to play a few notes and then tweak a bit... aint that the point with looping, you don't have to play all the fucking time... Anyway I hav a fernandez pickup, and with that it rocks... and then, if we still aint convinced you.. well there is still Angry Birds.. Mark --20cf3054aa2f6e403604978fc9c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable iPhones?

Great hand held computers, really CRAP phones... the=A0 3s = were OK the 3gs were rubbish.. (mine.. it crashes after 5 minutes talk) the= 4s have bad sound and poor reception.
Read my blog post (um.. no wait i= ts not me.... its my secret alter ego, where my wife lets me moan all I wan= t)
http://grumpyenglishmaninnor= way.wordpress.com/2010/12/14/telenor-customer-service-with-surprise-happy-e= nding/

The Apps.. well.. you get hooked.. and are frankly great...
I also a= gree with Per that the save me time and money, I do my emails on the bus, n= ot the serious writing but the scanning, and deleting, and forwarding... th= en when I get to my machine, I do the fun stuff!

To Dos.. getting reminders either from your calendar or an app (My fave= Epic Win!) I get stuff done, and remember the wedding anniversary... couil= d have done this before.. but didnt...

Navigation... I got a perfect= ly reasonable GPS Saty Nav for 2 dollars!

the music apps... and to Bills question... I would nt use it to replace= something that already works well, namely my feet. But if I AM gonna use t= he laptop to loop, then I soon discovered stuff in the laptop that is fun..= . and one of them is tweaking and mangling the loop realtime with the mouse= .. now THAT looks stupid, and is annoying cos you need a click down on the = laptop trackpad. With the iphon and TouchOSC it works more like a Kaos Pad.= . now thats cool.. and if you velcro it to you guitar like jeff, I think th= ats pretty close to be able to play a few notes and then tweak a bit... ain= t that the point with looping, you don't have to play all the fucking t= ime... Anyway I hav a fernandez pickup, and with that it rocks...

and then, if we still aint convinced you.. well there is still Angry Bi= rds..

Mark



=A0
--20cf3054aa2f6e403604978fc9c0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 03:57:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1E99183473; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 03:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=50Cz1CyOAAAA:8 a=VWxW3J0aXxbvctakVt8A:9 a=JdMO4zxTpRMtQBahLEAA:7 a=p69U6mVAiVcCXtkmdrg11ZQGcFcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <521050.3015.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Melbourne, Monterey Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:56:59 -0800 References: <521050.3015.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 03:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Steve, I am listening to this right now and am REALLY enjoying it. Bot you and Nat bring extremely different, but quite pleasingly compatible gifts of musicality to the project. Good stuff . . . and fresh. I think I will have to pay and download the whole album. Thanks for sharing! Best, Ted On Dec 15, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Steve Uccello wrote: > Hello all, Happy holidays to you all, hope you're doing great out > there! Though it's a bit overdue, I just wanted to let you all know > about the online collaborative duo that Nat Grant and I have formed > called "sung" and our CD "Melbourne, Monterey" (released 10-10-10) > > I am extremely proud of it. If you are so moved, please visit our > Bandcamp profile and pick up a copy, listen to the whole record > streaming free, or click the 'like' button, it would be *much* > appreciated! Thanks, Steve Uccello > > > http://sung-duo.bandcamp.com/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 04:06:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9A3518345B; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HfrRSbikS893HzhTVWFcvDKoNpAmFckYZ1OLQxpJPULq9kfJc1sRPFzCjxeYYFwu; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> <4D0A338D.2040903@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:06:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Films of Eno creating his latest record.... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-919563685==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79295a5e71142654404e2487298f4e6f49350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:06:52 +0000 (UTC) --============_-919563685==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" http://brian-eno.net/seven-sessions/ http://pitchfork.com/news/41011-watch-seven-brian-eno-improv-sessions/ "Watch Eno intently hunched over a table of electronic doohickeys while gorgeous waves of sound roll out." -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-919563685==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Films of Eno creating his latest record....
http://brian-eno.net/seven-sessions/

http://pitchfork.com/news/41011-watch-seven-brian-eno-improv-sessions/

"Watch Eno intently hunched over a table of electronic doohickeys while gorgeous waves of sound roll out."






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http://www.zmix.net

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http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-919563685==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 07:57:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B005183461; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1292572621; l=2559; s=domk; d=christojota.de; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:To:From:X-RZG-CLASS-ID: X-RZG-AUTH; bh=KtEWJcy8mVnZs6Fk73MYTpabYLw=; b=LzSjsJ/xRcCrUeLRtfoPD/C+VeN1FmHa6/dNolaYOZEeOS41K/TAYaLh8d8mUfZyxPl DSX8q0Z2sF2g1iMLErX+l098e5lobo/vcbSghvnHLt2cJMgCJgnyCIS/f4GgHOPCwmgCa 8jSoz5PASYpvqJu3xSXh393tcgexLb4Hs7I= X-RZG-AUTH: :L2QWfFOIePcNBmV0yywuLUHS8OM2DDVxTuoYQATZ0ef60SyyPwAvuR4a2ni2GyI= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Message-ID: <46ED6AC78891435DB23AACA780EE3842@Christojota> From: "Christo Jota" To: Subject: Travis and STEVE HILLAGE Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:56:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0097_01CB9DC8.58865610" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 Resent-Message-ID: <8vIsy.A.O-G.PfxCNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01CB9DC8.58865610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THEO TRAVIS is not just a good addition (maybe that=B4s a too weak = expression) to FRIPP. - "Thread" is definetely an interesting record, I agree - TRAVIS is a fantastic Sax and flute player who fitted perfectly into the line-up of GONG=B4s 2009 - tour. Saw them at the German = HERZBERG-Hippie-Festival and in Bonn aswell. Also in this line-up was STEVE HILLAGE, who was one = of my favorite guitarists in the 70ies. At those times he was very innovative, using - = as one of the first - a guitar synthesizer. That really hit me. Listen to : "Motivation Radio" or = "Green".=20 Christo wwww.christojota.de ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01CB9DC8.58865610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
THEO TRAVIS is not just a good addition (maybe = that=B4s a=20 too weak expression) to FRIPP.
- "Thread" is definetely an interesting record, I agree = -
TRAVIS is a fantastic Sax and flute = player who=20 fitted perfectly
into the line-up of GONG=B4s 2009 - tour. Saw = them at the=20 German HERZBERG-Hippie-Festival
and in Bonn aswell. Also in this line-up was = STEVE=20 HILLAGE, who was one of my favorite
guitarists in the 70ies. At those times he was very innovative, = using - as=20 one of the first - a guitar
synthesizer. That really hit me. Listen to : "Motivation Radio" or = "Green".=20
Christo
wwww.christojota.de
------=_NextPart_000_0097_01CB9DC8.58865610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 09:32:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA215183461; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/vxG91HM1XAzUhkD0NFco0FVCWi/y3Pcw6SS8ov5Uwk=; b=cwT1SLwddFUksU198IbcMpZujzj49ivvvdg9peXMViqt8Kx0sdrLnO86szd7qd7b+v VzKf9D/J2KKKTh4cGOUBgpqpMrl1m2GMqx+J6P9/8Re0t49jv8UAaZ2WEb5q9Wi6hhxK uIMPPeSf50KNZRibaUwScAc1QqTwBk3iDJbBU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=FhP5fzTsLKrFBIBp6z0+mRHnOb7/L2WHW5nKpWCWJs1eu8x56X9y5qjBK+bkHbBllv 5WUScDwKnJdub6dghch+1kAmL/zW384ckqxc7y8r/x4FGPPEAsvs4qtokv31zYsN801n 7aLt0HRqhSAist2ZioDXVduHBH9EA05EK+dYA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D0A99DD.27451.2FE068A@nick.1957.me.uk> References: <4D0A99DD.27451.2FE068A@nick.1957.me.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:32:45 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCB1010 sysex for controlling EDP? From: Louie Angulo To: nick@12testing.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c923e74b8a90049797da98 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:32:48 +0000 (UTC) --001636c923e74b8a90049797da98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Nick, if u have it with the UnO chip ill send you a sysex no problem.It has all the basic functions programmed plus a lot of the virtual comands and midi sync functions as well.I recomend the UnO chip because editing is less tedious. then you can modify it however you want. cheers Luis On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:59 PM, nick@12testing.net wrote: > My first ever EDP is arriving soon, but it is without a pedal. I'm > familiar with programming the FCB1010, but there must be someone out > there with a suitable sysex file, to save me re-programming the > wheel? > > Any help appreciated! > > > > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > music site : http://www.looping.me.uk > myspace site : http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops > looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com > > > > --001636c923e74b8a90049797da98 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nick,
if u have it with the UnO chip ill send you a sysex no problem.= It has all the basic functions programmed plus a lot of the virtual comands= and midi sync functions as well.I recomend the UnO chip because editing is= less tedious.
then you can modify it however you want.
cheers
Luis

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:59 PM, nick@12testing.net <nick@1957.me.uk> wrote:
My first ever EDP= is arriving soon, but it is without a pedal. I'm
familiar with programming the FCB1010, but there must be someone out
there with a suitable sysex file, to save me re-programming the
wheel?

Any help appreciated!



All the best,

Nick Robinson

music site : =A0 =A0= http://www.looping.me.uk
myspace site : =A0http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops
looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com




--001636c923e74b8a90049797da98-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 10:10:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8C12183461; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:10:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OpySMKfHnOo24Ez5oJg2k1iwTLf2kmCRLsOPxLULS9o=; b=YIrYgIdbI9QKWmPuz5GF4nJz2sr5mH9eqz8dULwz2zJQQsU7TGVEohI7mJmsXrnbjE mrczPP4pYTA9F6beHBSJjpwRsj/4PKBBxnQ6o9AdBY3aEf25gD5XyCM7f9YXsXu4ujXl bk59WDlktHUhefg3zLFlgAUPaBWztrCGNF6BU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Z0EiTt4AQsQJ6MJ8QIsiKPrN4iMV2YLoNol2EvYA8Zmgsd1DTwosIxSLCwZaESbKjd rXZLy5WA7aagcp1+enGSZxTpsdwi+lFs4DdKoGW9npOwWnthtWm8/sMVhEFj/ho9ArxV ukz7HtUa6lT5bL94YFeHWodb7AJS/+PaE5Cpc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <41BB7163-9A96-46A9-90EF-24AC0156ADFE@baymoon.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:10:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Y2K10 fuzzy memories From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64692324648ad0497986129 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:10:30 +0000 (UTC) --0016e64692324648ad0497986129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks, Tod. It was pure fun ! -f 2010/12/16 todd reynolds > Just Brilliant, Fabio! > > great sentiments, great track. It only makes me wish more that I'd been > able to join you all at a Loopfest since Rick's been hosting 'em. > > Lovely to hear your music once again as well... (And I'd forward it to > Steve Jobs... just kidding.) > > Cheers, my friend. > > Todd > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Fabio_A wrote: > >> Ten years ago I discovered how nice is to take audio recordings while >> travelling. I'm not talking about field recordings of nature or places with >> a specific sound. I'm talking about something similar to a photo picture: >> when I hear my friends' voices it's like being back to that moment. And each >> voices reminds me more than its sounds. This is a recording of a night in >> Santa Cruz at the very end of the Y2KX Loopfest, "soundtracked" with my >> music. Pure fun. Hope you'll enjoy it ! >> http://soundcloud.com/eterogeneo/y2kx-fuzzy-memories >> > --0016e64692324648ad0497986129 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Tod.
It was pure fun !
=A0
-f

2010/12/16 todd reynolds <<= a href=3D"mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com">toddreyn@gmail.com>
Just Brilliant, Fabio! =A0=20

great sentiments, great track. =A0It only makes me wish more that I= 9;d been able to join you all at a Loopfest since Rick's been hosting &= #39;em. =A0

Lovely to hear your music once again as well... (And I'd forward i= t to Steve Jobs... just kidding.)

Cheers, my friend.=A0

Todd



On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Fabio_A <et= erogenus@gmail.com> wrote:
Ten years ago I discovered how nice is to take audio recordings while = travelling. I'm not talking about field recordings of nature or places = with a specific sound. I'm talking about something similar to a photo p= icture: when I hear my friends' voices it's like being back to that= moment. And each voices reminds me more than its sounds. This is a recordi= ng of a night in Santa Cruz at the very end of the Y2KX Loopfest, "sou= ndtracked" with my music. Pure fun. Hope you'll enjoy it !<= /div>

--0016e64692324648ad0497986129-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 10:34:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 746F4183461; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 549954605/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.69/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.69 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgQCAGbLCk1V0rFF/2dsb2JhbAAMlgvSeYVKBI4L X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,360,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="549954605" Message-ID: <4D0B3CCB.6020904@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:34:51 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 sysex for controlling EDP? References: <4D0A99DD.27451.2FE068A@nick.1957.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D0A99DD.27451.2FE068A@nick.1957.me.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:34:34 +0000 (UTC) hi Nick, reason I can't offer that is that my fcb1010 has an older firmware version. Tried it with Bill Walker's fcb, ...doesn't work. It's actually not at all difficult to program the fcb to control the edp, 20 mins at most....and it only has to be done once. (remember to program the expression peds on every switch though) If you don't have an fcb already feel free to tempt me to part with mine. If you do, there's editors available and the Uno chip to consider. andy butler nick@12testing.net wrote: > My first ever EDP is arriving soon, but it is without a pedal. I'm > familiar with programming the FCB1010, but there must be someone out > there with a suitable sysex file, to save me re-programming the > wheel? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 10:43:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0200D183461; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 19071.67849.bm@omp1024.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=J63azBP7FCkxhe0jfjryy8KQagmE7bUmrVr1H+yjF0INU+OVt1tEKaSIYHxOM4p+0FICsVBQAfU/KHj5T+5wVEX58HfB0e7W4OT5zjqpj6vwsyiM2kiyCZHC4ycqMO9oUOGk41ynjHmdAoxmbDBu551FFvHddYaqwTPNH1Xg1TU= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1292582583; bh=Vnd78nWFtdFqR0wrc08/VAq6QBk/yHJhz8ImyKgKB7k=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=3eDXmMTYh9ppW9QeQ34so2Npdk309ecLSoFJIFmpvuRyFuFEBc0AYh08ZmvFbbUlgzrWWN8XHT/jAFVW81b4NI83+yAVCRlwb4ynSaKAetYeu9L24ECj6Jmr6NiTGY6uZfpASm4yz4m2jFUCz1a3Ku64OmfM4pjFaYPn4l0DRPw= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: cI4sbGcVM1k2ZCwLc.1HkFexTywb7zKFiiowJVE7unCqslr aE.NdNHf4RDIEeo343B89xNHhSRlesQJRPL76qDj77ugRiOWZOMnVn4EPakz hk6NsjEGD.e8k5BISPr5bi9s4LP2K_Lt4mk9g1zPtg3WXtYqZix9UyOUmTQq aheRJoEi6Sk96nMuGq6yuBCcWhBa7jijNUHlN.l0fy2y7IEhlLpym_MWKg3_ 2YG7pb6XXNeSTZXf8qYOHbE1WAEWrgVTVQTvVLH6d5JaMsWd9UVPD5i10exo jhku2kpVUR7r1FE_pKK.OGMKh X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <3D83A0FD-9090-44A1-9CEB-52425496B1BD@btinternet.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-39-742758413 From: Matt Stevens Subject: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on sunday night? Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:42:50 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <3_248D.A.SkE.56zCNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:43:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-39-742758413 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Does anyone fancy playing at www.cafenoodle.ning.com - streaming on the web, nice loop friendly audience :) on Sunday? Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com --Apple-Mail-39-742758413 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone fancy playing at www.cafenoodle.ning.com - streaming on the web, nice loop friendly audience :) on Sunday?

Matt Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




--Apple-Mail-39-742758413-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 10:46:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 794DD183457; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <3D83A0FD-9090-44A1-9CEB-52425496B1BD@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <3D83A0FD-9090-44A1-9CEB-52425496B1BD@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on sunday night? Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:46:37 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01CB9DD7.AE2E7200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:46:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01CB9DD7.AE2E7200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BFI think I might even have the GR3/GR20 setup complete by then, = if not it doesn=E2=80=99t matter. Count me in! Wot time? It=E2=80=99s been snowing off and on out here finally, the speakers for = the studio have arrived (Q-Acoustics 2020s) and Sarah=E2=80=99s gone = into London for dental work for today. So I=E2=80=99m hoping the = delivery guys pay attention to the big sign on the front door saying = DELIVERIES TO BACK STUDIO PLEASE... DHL is crap, they haven=E2=80=99t = ever left a =E2=80=9Cmissed you=E2=80=9D card in two delivery = attempts... [cough] From: Matt Stevens=20 Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 10:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on sunday night? Does anyone fancy playing at www.cafenoodle.ning.com - streaming on the = web, nice loop friendly audience :) on Sunday?=20 Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01CB9DD7.AE2E7200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think I might even have the GR3/GR20 setup complete by then, if = not it=20 doesn=E2=80=99t matter.  Count me in!  Wot time?
 
It=E2=80=99s been snowing off and on out here finally, the speakers = for the studio=20 have arrived (Q-Acoustics 2020s) and Sarah=E2=80=99s gone into London = for dental work=20 for today.  So I=E2=80=99m hoping the delivery guys pay attention = to the big sign=20 on the front door saying DELIVERIES TO BACK STUDIO PLEASE... DHL is = crap, they=20 haven=E2=80=99t ever left a =E2=80=9Cmissed you=E2=80=9D card in two = delivery attempts... [cough]
 
From: Matt Stevens
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 10:42 AM
Subject: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on sunday=20 night?
 
Does=20 anyone fancy playing at www.cafenoodle.ning.com - = streaming on=20 the web, nice loop friendly audience :) on Sunday?=20
 
Matt Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com
mattstevensguitar@btinte= rnet.com
 

 
------=_NextPart_000_0064_01CB9DD7.AE2E7200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 11:31:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43CC9183461; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HcQuu26Pe45SuwofaefWx0+HdwADP6v/PNDgmqaFx00=; b=FfDT9H0qU91KHat6aBJPAwaeBKQB3m3QxSFHwMfrzIdVLgk/o7b2l1QBB4qoCT+2RJ Ohuh6Maq7dFQ5NUljDpiAjsjaWH3g/kCSPUvWvTxbUVFePRIkh6hv8eGTkqgO6WfSKcb HwjECzijoTwh1eydKew2gyO26sArrVTBXZ+yo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=n8N6mFc0tuFBucupQA3Cw1DFka8x7XWLzxhe4nQ6So5LFagXBFmhDl7F61m/gpZofm I+3IGUY4smQejiise60sCgyvdQMPw3hojWf+6qmP0n4XfZ1F8FT6WweFaI/bw+1ebFYl g+5L1pq6OYTIhCoJSf02BjGCJf+YRZjFXx6f0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4D0A99DD.27451.2FE068A@nick.1957.me.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 03:31:34 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCB1010 sysex for controlling EDP? From: Nevyn Nowhere To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d5c240e83004979983ec Resent-Message-ID: <_rYj7.A.kEG.Yo0CNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:31:36 +0000 (UTC) --00163646d5c240e83004979983ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 could you send that to me? I do have the uno chip... -nn On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Hi Nick, > if u have it with the UnO chip ill send you a sysex no problem.It has all > the basic functions programmed plus a lot of the virtual comands and midi > sync functions as well.I recomend the UnO chip because editing is less > tedious. > then you can modify it however you want. > cheers > Luis > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:59 PM, nick@12testing.net wrote: > >> My first ever EDP is arriving soon, but it is without a pedal. I'm >> familiar with programming the FCB1010, but there must be someone out >> there with a suitable sysex file, to save me re-programming the >> wheel? >> >> Any help appreciated! >> >> >> >> All the best, >> >> Nick Robinson >> >> music site : http://www.looping.me.uk >> myspace site : http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops >> looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com >> >> >> >> > --00163646d5c240e83004979983ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable could you send that to me?=A0 I do have the uno chip...

-nn

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Louie Angulo <louie.ang= ulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Nick,
if u = have it with the UnO chip ill send you a sysex no problem.It has all the ba= sic functions programmed plus a lot of the virtual comands and midi sync fu= nctions as well.I recomend the UnO chip because editing is less tedious. then you can modify it however you want.
cheers
Luis
<= div class=3D"h5">

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at= 11:59 PM, nick@12t= esting.net <nick@1957.me.uk> wrote:
My first ever EDP= is arriving soon, but it is without a pedal. I'm
familiar with programming the FCB1010, but there must be someone out
there with a suitable sysex file, to save me re-programming the
wheel?

Any help appreciated!



All the best,

Nick Robinson

music site : =A0 =A0= http://www.looping.me.uk
myspace site : =A0http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops
looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com





--00163646d5c240e83004979983ec-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 11:44:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F5BE18345B; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qdtlpQStk9sTWrkcavO/38M1FpHmQFbNbeIJxJU89HM=; b=WmVjdlnGidvcrDs7kzAoctlj5d8oR2wOKbJr8Hox9WdBPx0gqYf/Fm4XtTANl4qzCL 38k9jZywxc3QbtsdCwunFsokjiRVZx5+0vJEtRNH4+0nHnPkOvecRYc5UpnE8baYOcH6 fmteT5QP9PG9UpU2vYdWMu5pu2575om2+0YPs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=P/+byQ4i0ACuPqheYyWOsQci/qdo3a05acE9u9Boe4D/IEJujhQTxoENTG/zH5A6qe PybqTVyN1HW5Sr3X/zuVMWeuB9+8bbKeXhlc/nlkY711nQbagi6xX7i3EZGYNet1jMsy rAXnsHDiZ44QiSkOVHVw5JJAty57OUP0mctME= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <20101216225103.9C5FB18347C@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:44:25 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iphone music app recommendations From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdf14403482eb049799b12f Resent-Message-ID: <4_jJWB.A.HdG.a00CNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:44:26 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cdf14403482eb049799b12f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i downloaded rebirth for my ipod touch and found it completely useless, because everything was just so small and zoomig was such a hassle, that i couldn't operate it. it's probably great on the ipad, but for the touch/phone, i would give it a miss sim On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > forgot about reBirth and Korgs iElectribe - haven't gotten an iPad yet..... > > > On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Kenn Lowy wrote: > > Also check out reBirth (iPhone and iPad versions. The ipad is much easier >> for real music work) >> >> > --000e0cdf14403482eb049799b12f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i downloaded rebirth for my ipod touch and found it completely useless, bec= ause everything was just so small and zoomig was such a hassle, that i coul= dn't operate it. it's probably great on the ipad, but for the touch= /phone, i would give it a miss

sim

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:09 PM,= Paul Mimlitsch <pmimlitsch@mac.com> wrote:
forgot about reBirth and Korgs iElectribe - haven't gotten an iPad yet.= ....


On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Kenn Lowy wrote:

Also check out reBirth (iPhone and iPad versions. The ipad is much easier f= or real music work)



--000e0cdf14403482eb049799b12f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 11:47:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59239183474; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gZyS/ljhHi11bps2c3kYdBwAup3VWXnhEve9XmO+Xzw=; b=qGQABAEny/mkXk7bN7WAJJJeoiqqWw3K+8GGqRPpEzo7ho6yMzP7szJ701cmS1jGVf Mm8/PL6pO4AXfs0hzbVUoi5VlV3CfboHrRsDu/77lZ/2qFzMspAQMmCiQo/5nHIFFGbC 0d/bRKhzS1+ND5JIcKEUw9GBUUM95L1zsh6Zo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ECMP9OjX8slGZHL3C48mjSy+MqOBJmmZvZe3CX6mHX92LY+EZPzfi91EI1GZjoEs41 NOTmC41q5Dqja2owKZPWldbz95s7gtMzoRd7F7ztYJN9IeTJIybTcG++ElsuujkXrHlT AqLr/EXwwGhEg9heUvPFpwjzsME3H1ALCzEWw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:47:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Very OT: logic of DHL (was: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on sunday night?) From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:47:24 +0000 (UTC) >From Stephen Goodman: "DHL is crap, they haven=92t ever left a =93missed you=94 card in two delivery attempts..." With DHL (and any similar businesses, including e.g. UPS, postal services etc.) there's a simple rule: If they send something to you, they don't consider you a customer that needs to be pleased. So typically, complaining to them will lead to nothing. The only thing you can do: talk to the company who sent you the stuff and tell them you are dissatisfied with them because their logistics contractor fucked up - and kindly ask them to complain to them. That can help a lot (in my experience). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 11:51:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0D60183474; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81BB20351CE54AD5937B1F7A346F9090@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Very OT: logic of DHL (was: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on sunday night?) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:50:40 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: <61k_D.A.HtG.k60CNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:51:00 +0000 (UTC) ?Which is what I've done Rainer. I've never had a problem with UPS actually, and they're cheaper than DHL. If I ever receive a "missed you" card from those bozos I'm going to redo it as a "couldn't be bothered" card for facebook etc. -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Straschill Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 11:47 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Very OT: logic of DHL (was: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on sunday night?) >From Stephen Goodman: "DHL is crap, they haven’t ever left a “missed you” card in two delivery attempts..." With DHL (and any similar businesses, including e.g. UPS, postal services etc.) there's a simple rule: If they send something to you, they don't consider you a customer that needs to be pleased. So typically, complaining to them will lead to nothing. The only thing you can do: talk to the company who sent you the stuff and tell them you are dissatisfied with them because their logistics contractor fucked up - and kindly ask them to complain to them. That can help a lot (in my experience). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 11:59:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71CB2183461; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iYnWG0E45HMEjtF+xW+4I8IvVgX/MQSPXrckBDcVwdM=; b=H7vRbYzPB+Nuv8JEElaI45L6xiEDk6bMJ9IpO+4WcAt1Zopn6vJh3UWF8S6tPhr9Sh hl82SfC82kLnZ+CM3Jz7kKJ5KnKZfklVs7wPOgTEg2NccGdEE8KPEXJE9U/wxYS+zLfC FK2eQ8IHgblnjmh4QVkN/PZU6Lo5IUSVKUFTI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GkIHKTCR001zwaMj3jGz6TL2aVNlc41w4BPsbzKatwURlhgHO38iNjy9h6PQhDhp5t IlnVst6BnWrciTQf/Ux8QrerPVtHCXIe6IyQEgymj8IYztnaTpm7q6DG+s5RwG6W8mT6 pK27QeqCt8nW/fi2DbjVrnzTq4E+AhPs0YNwo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20101216225103.9C5FB18347C@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:59:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: iphone music app recommendations From: Per Boysen To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:59:38 +0000 (UTC) That's what everyone says. Should be ok on iPad I've heard. If you're fine with mp3 rendering only, that is. Makes it troublesome to integrate into a serious production I think. On Friday, December 17, 2010, Simeon Harris wrote: > i downloaded rebirth for my ipod touch and found it completely useless, because everything was just so small and zoomig was such a hassle, that i couldn't operate it. it's probably great on the ipad, but for the touch/phone, i would give it a miss > > sim > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > > forgot about reBirth and Korgs iElectribe - haven't gotten an iPad yet..... > > On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Kenn Lowy wrote: > > > Also check out reBirth (iPhone and iPad versions. The ipad is much easier for real music work) > > > > > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 12:13:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BC21183466; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yI7R5fX0XeOpIiINnDs2jf/JL4Gq+e3sLAjgvKvLtvk=; b=QtPEeIXXPydfk+b8M5Oq/R++wR077Jc97PSv7gwRPbG5h7XqOwNQULyJhJCrVL6aMe 5L2qFJ2B5rpbj+FRvLpV8atZc9TUiejfOUOv/9gZcBRYDyrPmP3grOaTAvbC5v25xfCt wM6XgvjNkyOamMnWZsaE7Gi/EU6wbIWE7AU2Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=LaU+VII2s9hnbIaKjnb86GZDWnqOVycnCd61oVm2Az0+ndqcGTlwtkYHeBvHtcqtSf Kxvd5iadBCuk99dmif4jmsddYMrEdrjjoRlnrKTqJWqCC0OO5Gf/qLqdquUwISS8dEGq WB21F7aiabEFBQSN7Vvd5yAhXnEE33pq48zB0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:13:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iphone music app recommendations From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e647ead60f055504979a1a64 Resent-Message-ID: <1G5xjC.A.VVH.5P1CNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:13:45 +0000 (UTC) --0016e647ead60f055504979a1a64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'd also reccomend - Beatwave - and Melodica for some Tenori like stuff - megaphone ( your iPhone will work like a mic) - panDrum - iGog for percussion/drum sounds and...HEY, noone is usign TROPE (by Eno Chilvers) ? (for ambient soundscapes) -f 2010/12/16 Paul Mimlitsch > Here's a list of the ones I'd recommend (organized into categories) and > have used in performance situations (3GS (4.2.1) iPhone to volume pedal to > looper): > > TOOLS: > iStrobeSoft - tuner > > RECORDERS: > iProRecorder > Fire > > PROCESSORS: > SFSsynth (my favorite) > Resonizer > Filtatron (Moog Music) > Otto > > AMBIENT (for creating pads etc.) > Droneo > KepplersOrrery > Aura > Aura Flux > > PERCUSSION: > PanDrumFull > TongueDrum > Bowls (nice for pads) > MandalaMuOdd:Hang > > THERIMEN: > Cosmovox > BeBot (despite the goofy interface) > > NOISY (staticky/ glitchy stuff): > Space > iGlendyne > aardvark > Sonic Wire > modAxis Free > > INSTRUMENTS: > ThumbJam (will loop onboard instruments or incoming audio) > Morphwiz > Gayageum > Bubble Harp > Zen Music > Musical DNA > Noise.io Pro (great synth but too much learning curve for me - though > Amidio apps are great) > > VISUALIZERS (great for adding music driven visuals) NOTE: these only send > video out on an iPhone 4 or iPad: > iBeams - the best from the standpoint of tweakabillity. Used on an iPad - > out to digital projector onto the wall - worked well. > Audiogasm > > > > > > > > > --0016e647ead60f055504979a1a64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd also reccomend
- Beatwave
- and Melodica
for some Tenori like stuff
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- megaphone ( your iPhone will work like a mic)
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- panDrum
- iGog
for percussion/drum sounds
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and...HEY, noone is usign TROPE (by Eno Chilvers) ?
(for ambient soundscapes)
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-f

2010/12/16 Paul Mimlitsch <= pmimlitsch@mac.com>
Here's a list of the ones I&= #39;d recommend (organized into categories) and have used in performance si= tuations (3GS (4.2.1) iPhone to volume pedal to looper):

TOOLS:
iStrobeSoft - tuner

RECORDERS:
iProRecorder
Fire=

PROCESSORS:
SFSsynth (my favorite)
Resonizer
Filtatron (Mo= og Music)
Otto

AMBIENT (for creating pads etc.)
Droneo
KepplersOrrery
Aura
Aura Flux

PERCUSSION:
PanDrumFull
To= ngueDrum
Bowls (nice for pads)
MandalaMuOdd:Hang

THERIMEN:
= Cosmovox
BeBot (despite the goofy interface)

NOISY (staticky/ gli= tchy stuff):
Space
iGlendyne
aardvark
Sonic Wire
modAxis Free

INSTRUM= ENTS:
ThumbJam (will loop onboard instruments or incoming audio)
Morp= hwiz
Gayageum
Bubble Harp
Zen Music
Musical DNA
Noise.io Pro= (great synth but too much learning curve for me - though Amidio apps are g= reat)

VISUALIZERS (great for adding music driven visuals) NOTE: these only se= nd video out on an iPhone 4 or iPad:
iBeams - the best from the standpoi= nt of tweakabillity. =A0Used on an iPad - out to digital projector onto the= wall - worked well.
Audiogasm









--0016e647ead60f055504979a1a64-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 14:52:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99ED9183461; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OkhwAc/OSoFcD3J6TcF6s5EVcwdbRzZnpPd7Uz1dDpc=; b=ZRc+qfMq8kKyXVaxvzrWyeYPiTg+yOFRpleAG44MnzCW0253ZM3OheldPiQA6QcD9s zNJGYRs7rxKlF/KZwpaDq4GqAwBsQxyk09WHtCp8b0g5of2f0tNzH3y9tC7yR98YETrO cU/W5Izpes0ZNdm+hTmNeJKnL5z4/9mZIER6g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UFUMt9cJTfDdEjbg+ZjMCcBWu6P9YVQeRfK/5kTa4GIMDIvsnGoem+2HWilU125qb9 meCHWz/68gBRLRkPwhMoIoPnopfRNehXDAlJor+UnIqxcaXza4XLlSGsSjU3RiNXM2gd 9xvaYkzLUfVgHWSN/Z2SGqRBgi7C6NJk5xn6w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:52:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iphone music app recommendations From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:52:04 +0000 (UTC) > and...HEY, noone is usign TROPE (by Eno Chilvers) ? > (for ambient soundscapes) Yes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 15:27:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECC16183461; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sXs+W4HodgkXF1AuDsJNsVIf1e4Ews+eztq+KCipGh0=; b=Xzhj/O5ngrliaddWXuYn8Z6Mr+6Bwa/x6rGX5NkSkiQZ71C6EQ5MaWz5Ibzc9qsgSX U7CXxFivjzM/UhB6+vSmXx2ArnUrx4UF92HXaEjMC+jLWj610SJLCPaaRCzQ9hyLbono 79QNRSUi2ONPMhwGNGqx9/a5KFPkqsThdQCrA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KRmxpV/Wmk9zWlbTZH7rquxDDl4MJSHoe6U9Fp4IUzJW0y5F2OSka5znGk992hX6NY iAiUTGnP3/9RcUTmnsV/qAiBvp2LvLBMvF4j/ah9KbdAFyoQqzA3Id1EPbwFlgjYpw4r k7FQP/jmITnYeSH+3kHLtaq5dlXyuVX8PZ8F4= Message-ID: <4D0B8154.7020802@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:27:16 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on sunday night? References: <3D83A0FD-9090-44A1-9CEB-52425496B1BD@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <3D83A0FD-9090-44A1-9CEB-52425496B1BD@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:27:16 +0000 (UTC) For what it's worth, I can only recommend that to every artist, not only but also to looping people. Very nice and knowledgeable audience there. Matt Stevens schrieb: > Does anyone fancy playing at www.cafenoodle.ning.com > - streaming on the web, nice loop > friendly audience :) on Sunday? > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 15:43:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11C8D18345B; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gHyYd2uR7Ofya4Nht8Yyg9lDjjsnVrG8SJokgG0gDCE=; b=dD4d75rg07rfqSkj4YqHjTSfu1oyZUyRqJiZuprJlZ6F5EW6NvCXBopiVBcoe++O0B L/8mh6QWrqo2/fzRamzKKkBEuPrs/DQKIhtsMj32WF//xdVGioy4B9pEgQ9TQQ87ExIB ANtq2fdoeBY6s/Y6UzYeJthXKDnPcfDzkshgI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=p2E+TKdbAQSXuds4AmQq0bKrrRbUfkrUhq/fY670CUTa3QyHwutsAQFzLK/y9VelSk LvsThn+IJwr/gHVD4Rc623klZ9n2wq/yfhq0lP/MgL6MD8k1y8dmv6yBXU1qUbsTUNdk bIbafDu+1AIAqWT5Xu0UxsFQo9jD1UYyf/AfQ= Message-ID: <4D0B8528.7000700@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:43:36 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: Gig =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Sp=E4m=3A_2010=27s_last_MoinSound_St?= =?ISO-8859-15?Q?udio_Sessions_-_this_Saturday_18th=2C_1600_?= =?ISO-8859-15?Q?UTC?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Tomorrow will see the last MoinSound Studio Session for this year. Simply go to http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions or via http://moinlabs.de and tune in for roughly an hour of looping fun. The focus tomorrow will be on very minimalistic, very abstract, very soft noise (whatever that means). Date/Time: Saturday December 18th, 16:00 UTC http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=18&month=12&year=2010&hour=17&min=0&sec=0&p1=83 Ever since the start of this event series in April 2009, I've been doing by-weekly video transmissions of (mostly solo) concerts - plus a few "special events" like last year's "Virtual Sound and Vision Festival" (http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=229) and a week-long series of performances called "An Ambient Manifold" in January this year (http://mysp.ac/hPYRJy). By the end of last year, I did already release an album compilation available for pay-what-you-want download from bandcamp (http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=282). If my count is correct (which I'm not sure it is), tomorrow will be the 52nd performance in this series - most of them are archived here: http://www.ustream.tv/user/moinlabs/videos I'd like to take the opportunity to say thanks to everyone who had in the past listened in or downloaded the album. And if you didn't do that yet - tomorrow is the perfect opportunity to do so! See you there, Rainer ps: The best idea really is to follow me on twitter (see below) for last-minute reminders etc. -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 16:28:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC11E183461; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D0B8FB8.7040204@biink.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:28:40 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: David Torn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0ZQWe.A.vGG.0-4CNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:28:37 +0000 (UTC) that was quite the kick ass show last night at littlefield, Brooklyn with David Torn and Tim Berne...folks should have stayed for both sets, he played more guitar in the second set! - those "other" people who didn't make it missed a great show. - it sounded very much like Prezens, but with Chaz Smith on drums. - I didn't realize that Berne also plays bari. -- * David Beardsley * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 16:51:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2D01183456; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 809957.89573.bm@omp1026.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=w/nMhjMBx7Khyl0KokI0+AgaZQYR+xUnjiJBr7UnpEodXqK/4ykIIOYodHJ/JaGP4T6IQZtxDGJDdi9DBGVmT7kygBEEuGew2OCts1l0vPRVj3RmMVqlzrN/m+pXq24We6vjhRj/mCTYd3RANSW0VskL9Oh/KMo33K/02RhShMo= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1292604671; bh=8DRgfU1T0QHNLA9Y3UZeIxhZhFPSY0K0rZ3ARkTw3fw=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=jUw+GiaotHr17J9aNKmlh1BBrXTV4mFoLZTJnMeMVekzgthPGBLVuQvPqvLMdDJiyb9hVssGLcysOyZTe7l9ImDc/ffNrLE2dqjC4BgADvhA5yfrAqthkMiOjjuXyORc9mZnl7jK8TiFRAY+lFLKDru3o12JudONguDmXtuzKnM= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: 0dukqLIVM1l6m3mDWrJeZ3kMWwVeDzW2ttfepdox5SCxUyc zpZt9OCmTSLEMI7U9FoOO9u35q.7nVFtd6eE05sXMDU3Cyjeuhfghu8tLEqR 476CpMue153JBXGOoCKylmJe0q6mQurGCEXepEuMq0aQmxM7im.kxzfhkknU X505PIT_bWg2HXZRtp0DDh_.lUbwEoG6oUN3WZkSpZng_IGigLjt44.D3XLZ xOdF2GFtuJx94dKakeYlG_bDgxAmLf4ShW.I5tDHvrphmLlbHcM_jfXB0u9T RaVfzcSVwZYJEdQwN0VrJGZJvIA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4D0B8154.7020802@googlemail.com> References: <3D83A0FD-9090-44A1-9CEB-52425496B1BD@btinternet.com> <4D0B8154.7020802@googlemail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-48-764846279 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on sunday night? Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:50:58 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:51:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-48-764846279 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thank you rainer - i'm very proud of the community - lovely people :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 17 Dec 2010, at 15:27, Rainer Straschill wrote: > For what it's worth, I can only recommend that to every artist, not > only but also to looping people. Very nice and knowledgeable > audience there. > > Matt Stevens schrieb: >> Does anyone fancy playing at www.cafenoodle.ning.com > www.cafenoodle.ning.com> - streaming on the web, nice loop >> friendly audience :) on Sunday? >> >> Matt Stevens >> www.mattstevensguitar.com >> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > --Apple-Mail-48-764846279 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Thank you rainer - i'm very proud of the community - lovely people =  :)
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On 17 Dec 2010, = at 15:27, Rainer Straschill wrote:

For what it's worth, I can only recommend that to = every artist, not only but also to looping people. Very nice and = knowledgeable audience there.

Matt Stevens schrieb:
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Does anyone fancy playing = at www.cafenoodle.ning.com <http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com= > - streaming on the web, nice loop friendly audience :) on = Sunday?

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= --Apple-Mail-48-764846279-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 17:04:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 022AF183477; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GInMl35gYA2aiIBecNl/wEdKC734WKv7irJUnvJkhWc=; b=HBJxv3jn9Iz8RUkrKikZ9BCGE7IkbgAxrpOf27oFyj9XHoVMkpQdEOwAm73/B3cuYy BofEkPbv55l0O3HTwXSABzg8lFsthFFXZqxYxCsVDrlzaqfHpg/Z7uTtcnmEDSC6+LCb YAeoxnYKH127bFoBBeGhMGOAIbGmMYTtiQOOs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Ln7PS519L9rHWqTorFRV+1QBTWqO8yEe/u8Url8zw1DMWH07dgMrpb6O0zDSq5ehqO TDItPvjXXFq2nxiICBz7pGlkJugOYzZb5m1u4GJ6nCALJK9r5E4jvedCe1yR0BLe0MKG 5lajKRu5M6Qpf7iiDG7NRJ7bItY9Xl2KhFoAo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3D83A0FD-9090-44A1-9CEB-52425496B1BD@btinternet.com> <4D0B8154.7020802@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:04:45 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on sunday night? From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5ad92d49ada04979e2a4d Resent-Message-ID: <3IUJIC.A.ZSH.vg5CNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:04:47 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5ad92d49ada04979e2a4d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'll participate in the new year, if the opportunity arises in February. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Matt Stevens < mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote: > Thank you rainer - i'm very proud of the community - lovely people :) > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > On 17 Dec 2010, at 15:27, Rainer Straschill wrote: > > For what it's worth, I can only recommend that to every artist, not only > but also to looping people. Very nice and knowledgeable audience there. > > Matt Stevens schrieb: > > Does anyone fancy playing at www.cafenoodle.ning.com < > http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com> - streaming on the web, nice loop friendly > audience :) on Sunday? > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > > > > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > > --001636c5ad92d49ada04979e2a4d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll participate in the new year, if the opportunity arises in February= .

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Thank you rainer - i'm very proud of the community - lovely people =A0:= )


On 17 Dec 2010, at 15:27, Rainer Straschill wrote:
For what it&#= 39;s worth, I can only recommend that to every artist, not only but also to= looping people. Very nice and knowledgeable audience there.

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Does anyone fancy playing at www.cafenoodle.ning.com <http://www.cafenoodle.ni= ng.com> - streaming on the web, nice loop friendly audience :) on Su= nday?

Matt Stevens


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--001636c5ad92d49ada04979e2a4d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 17:31:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2155183477; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cqQYmJ3zxGAHBShzQh/St5lPcXLcswj9SQq7Sxn3NHg=; b=w0G02/QcJJvzhYIACj3XHwwHI2C4/y8zPITzmCcoOS9DY0a6aXeDd7CW9ptsG2aFan 5liXP8NHkwEkOe/n4Ct1nlOZDJ1xd/FohbikSJIXAWK1Qn57dlfOIjq/W+Lc5+DMrFws SvDY5Qd16oaecck4veZXGTy5/1Gvwu4NOkNV0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=On9iva9LklbxkfvgPi56R3qVW54oc4qswgctuuiEOyO+DofzO0eBl3uHXhyqCkMMHB fPSp7KdMJakrJpymteFgGxyMc52zGJJ7+uKVw+f18Hwq/Z2ADWbQiNdytaBg4ZByj/ef r4iyka9+1pHvrzU5lEWHf1D1NeJyyDyhIAI9g= Message-ID: <4D0B9E60.2010601@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:31:12 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: Re: David Torn References: <4D0B8FB8.7040204@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <4D0B8FB8.7040204@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Agreed. It was among the very best shows I've seen in a year of many. (I really need to start meeting the other loopers in NYC! Next time I go to something loop-oriented I'll post here...) I liked it better than the material on Prezens, actually. These improvisations were so coherent, even as both sets were just uninterrupted blocks of sound, and were more organic than Prezens, in my estimation. I liked the way that Torn would sample and re-play Berne, often creating rhythmic grooves, while Ches would loop his own stuff and create grooves as well, sometimes using a tiny Moog. Torn really put his EDP through the wringer, I was amazed at what he was doing loop-wise. Lots of very quick loops, as well as big ambient backgrounds to some seriously gnarly lead playing. In his rack was also a PCM42 and PCM70, which were used for big 'verbs, harmonies, and some pitching of samples. A pretty simple setup otherwise, just a Rane one-space mixer, plus a few fuzzes, a phaser, a delay, and a compressor on the floor. Interesting to compare to our friend Fripp. BTW, he's calling this trio "Aarses" - naming it gives me hope that he'll keep playing regularly with them, or even recording. Awesome stuff, I'm still kinda reeling. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > that was quite the kick ass show last night at littlefield, Brooklyn with > David Torn and Tim Berne...folks should have stayed for both sets, he > played more guitar in the second set! > > - those "other" people who didn't make it missed a great show. > - it sounded very much like Prezens, but with Chaz Smith on drums. > - I didn't realize that Berne also plays bari. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 18:44:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3735518345B; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 762172.86397.bm@omp1026.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=gnkzBhcoErIyYllNbIiZQoo1jP8cBJ9iDlkDDmLD6A1xFmmUC9q+VnRkGOcET1bPhmE0o8sgrZ9Mp0XXTrqAOtxR/1qKeA9VwJ7uyf88uQxedzKmfbQ040xs/Fpq2eqaydJt+JTPgjv877AS8bjOXoIphyKbDcOEFqMAILqvrPo= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1292611490; bh=sW81DDmCluR+rfony2oPRvDPWRAy2u1JhLBLGLKZCq4=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=C4ZbEwkVXNoOQLfBcF8iPNa8BEljF7vhkw7XfUiMFzYagU71l2YvvZHxahuIi9hlirkC0RB+81zuci/bQogvSJ4O4J9PyaWZTQzFDURohp8tcCQSVl87gxMip4DpyawQN3Ns8o+BaFBxBG3hPTGQQ98bAGQRU8UKHqF3CVlkGco= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: tqIKmj0VM1lK7Bas73CSLtceXdeV5BXAu2aXvoBvYlyL2En Ubr9MPON_T06JC.Y4EEBdAsaNRNzl8e8r3AV6fePg2GDZiOS0va03lHIUJLR 1iMIjXzV5F9XWo7TVhcpguz6ogGXFaQF7Ir1fjJRW.BoAb0evoXyKKVhe6CC i1HF1zMqXaZqSJZKz35zD7_BFKD.PxXdZcOnr1jeYn0SnDIC3G7z35ym1TGy b3PdJVddx1ANUyjAL1fJbgYsWLEbxhSbiiG7ig.YzCHyAXW8hptslFMxnWHG lBB_8h_qxqIIB679tgezdedHrGQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <3D83A0FD-9090-44A1-9CEB-52425496B1BD@btinternet.com> <4D0B8154.7020802@googlemail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-49-771665561 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on sunday night? Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:44:38 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:44:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-49-771665561 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Awesome man - let me know when you want to do it - the amazing Rare Bear are playing on the 29th not loops but very cool Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 17 Dec 2010, at 17:04, Ricky Graham wrote: > I'll participate in the new year, if the opportunity arises in > February. > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Matt Stevens > wrote: > Thank you rainer - i'm very proud of the community - lovely people :) > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > On 17 Dec 2010, at 15:27, Rainer Straschill wrote: > >> For what it's worth, I can only recommend that to every artist, >> not only but also to looping people. Very nice and knowledgeable >> audience there. >> >> Matt Stevens schrieb: >>> Does anyone fancy playing at www.cafenoodle.ning.com >> www.cafenoodle.ning.com> - streaming on the web, nice loop >>> friendly audience :) on Sunday? >>> >>> Matt Stevens >>> www.mattstevensguitar.com >>> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://moinlabs.de >> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >> > > --Apple-Mail-49-771665561 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Awesome man - let me know when you want to do it - the amazing Rare Bear = are playing on the 29th not loops but very cool 

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On 17 Dec 2010, = at 17:04, Ricky Graham wrote:

I'll = participate in the new year, if the opportunity arises in = February.

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at = 10:50 AM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com> wrote:
Thank = you rainer - i'm very proud of the community - lovely people =  :)


On 17 Dec = 2010, at 15:27, Rainer Straschill wrote:

For what it's worth, I can = only recommend that to every artist, not only but also to looping = people. Very nice and knowledgeable audience there.

Matt Stevens schrieb:
Does anyone fancy playing at www.cafenoodle.ning.com <http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com> - streaming on = the web, nice loop friendly audience :) on Sunday?

Matt Stevens
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= --Apple-Mail-49-771665561-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 18:45:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD70E183475; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 726710.38420.bm@omp1024.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=5ll7tQx1OjcgLToNullGOLQyV5nQ5uxV0UZjJ7zMWgesvfeZi7Iy4zMvybQmAzt1JzYANfnFuu2h8FKalpKcL8SnPlYJfDXazzLHZInlKFnfXbqUZFVsAkO+aEGMZHTMviVxNACmuSzWLn30m5bHBjaidQlbM8iOHhadBFJOSGA= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1292611513; bh=tc8rxR8jUP7blK0Lj5MWwJYFJMCl+B76zTqxzPyZrpc=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=SMG6UgT/JKhQVO86ce7+MIu63coxjHKZ9QucBMqDaVao1O5wTnoy8EsHP3g4xnZip5zeOKmBK8oyFpNHzj/VdLsGFDwVXGCoMOILfZuzDhSYrpqNf0tJWalptyUuvQRC0a5wPgNlg5ExYkqR3Jt8sBorVaM1mMKsb6g2cjaczmw= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: LlyvbHQVM1kUFZpc9dQcjMIVJWerF.prguCM4Q8RR3KUD1H 1mlA5cPJGstD9aygkxiJRa3jKkpEUY4D9Uwhc0HgPWjZnJZaLGIOOpp8tUon Lf_kzB6ay_vrYSMpDcp8GS.deG5.PiTEst96C7cznORZx81sO7d0f5T.8Yh5 WISelSy6m90mHB5M.LLcjxCIziDVAlD0U9fvME.OONY4IfvbOXPOF8FKzMDA JcuVa81Dzt3xLj4IZcauAK_QymvzwMlaDtLbZNoF.khGzb6aIROcvYSislPo 2jE3Zmn3IAknJNaKlfss- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4D0B8528.7000700@googlemail.com> References: <4D0B8528.7000700@googlemail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-50-771688575 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Gig_Sp=E4m:_2010's_last_MoinSound_Studio_Sess?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ions_-_this_Saturday_18th,_1600_UTC?= Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:45:01 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:45:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-50-771688575 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Rainer I will embed this on www.cafenoodle.ning.com as well Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 17 Dec 2010, at 15:43, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Tomorrow will see the last MoinSound Studio Session for this year. > > Simply go to > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions > or via > http://moinlabs.de > > and tune in for roughly an hour of looping fun. The focus tomorrow > will be on very minimalistic, very abstract, very soft noise > (whatever that means). > Date/Time: > Saturday December 18th, 16:00 UTC > http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html? > day=18&month=12&year=2010&hour=17&min=0&sec=0&p1=83 > > Ever since the start of this event series in April 2009, I've been > doing by-weekly video transmissions of (mostly solo) concerts - > plus a few "special events" like last year's "Virtual Sound and > Vision Festival" (http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=229) and a week- > long series of performances called "An Ambient Manifold" in January > this year (http://mysp.ac/hPYRJy). By the end of last year, I did > already release an album compilation available for pay-what-you- > want download from bandcamp (http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=282). > > If my count is correct (which I'm not sure it is), tomorrow will be > the 52nd performance in this series - most of them are archived here: > http://www.ustream.tv/user/moinlabs/videos > > I'd like to take the opportunity to say thanks to everyone who had > in the past listened in or downloaded the album. And if you didn't > do that yet - tomorrow is the perfect opportunity to do so! > > See you there, > > Rainer > > ps: The best idea really is to follow me on twitter (see below) for > last-minute reminders etc. > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > --Apple-Mail-50-771688575 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Rainer I will embed this on www.cafenoodle.ning.com as = well

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 17 Dec 2010, = at 15:43, Rainer Straschill wrote:

Tomorrow will see the last MoinSound Studio Session = for this year.

Simply go to
or via

and tune = in for roughly an hour of looping fun. The focus tomorrow will be on = very minimalistic, very abstract, very soft noise (whatever that = means).
Date/Time:
Saturday December 18th, 16:00 UTC
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Ever = since the start of this event series in April 2009, I've been doing = by-weekly video transmissions of (mostly solo) concerts - plus a few = "special events" like last year's "Virtual Sound and Vision Festival" = (http://moinlabs.de/index.ph= p?id=3D229) and a week-long series of performances called "An = Ambient Manifold" in January this year (http://mysp.ac/hPYRJy). By the end of = last year, I did already release an album compilation available for = pay-what-you-want download from bandcamp (http://moinlabs.de/index.ph= p?id=3D282).

If my count is correct (which I'm not sure it is), = tomorrow will be the 52nd performance in this series - most of them are = archived here:

I'd like to take the opportunity = to say thanks to everyone who had in the past listened in or downloaded = the album. And if you didn't do that yet - tomorrow is the perfect = opportunity to do so!
See you there,

         = Rainer

ps: The best idea really is to follow me on twitter = (see below) for last-minute reminders etc.

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Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs
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= --Apple-Mail-50-771688575-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 18:50:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDF2A18345B; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 547366392/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.69/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.69 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqQBAGs/C01V0rFF/2dsb2JhbAAMlg/QN4VKBI4L X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,189,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="547366392" Message-ID: <4D0BB122.4070300@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:51:14 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: help please! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:50:57 +0000 (UTC) boost wrote: > > 2/ parameters: more loops: 1 ; sampler style: one > > then next loop will triger sample just once. > > very neat! Matt, that's solved it for you? and hitting Undo during the playback will let the loop run continuously again andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 19:05:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 518B2183461; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D0BB475.9020609@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:05:25 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #715 for December 16, 2010. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:05:30 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/101216.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #715 December 16, 2010. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Historic Edition Volume 6" which is self- released. Modulator ESP: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Vic Hennegan Movin' Pure Creative Spirit (none) Natterost Draconian Sying Sun/Scarlet Moon(Groove) Roc Boos and Refuge en Verre Refuge en Verre (Groove) Synth.nl Herion Oxg Out and About (Hypnos) Modulator ESP RElektron Storm Historic Edition Vol. 6 (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Modulator ESP Dark Clouds Historic Edition Vol. 6 (none) Modulator ESP Northern Lights Historic Edition Vol. 6 (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Live in the USA 2009" which is a self-released title. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 21:23:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACE8318345A; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KHkNks2LCljmtkF5W/eZFuorFvwZaQsxowht6+nM77E=; b=ukseiIWlMClFoHxfdNJV/oDPtgOIGWxCZLcpK17neODH53M29GvwWX/eKM0UcSxTSm J2Lrk6scUrBSPZjbmth/x/4+eOSaQE+S043k+L5FhWtto7gNd+/vHM275bHZSgodRrhx eaw08BSkH1ZGVEzgNjfYSy4CkBOxoh2GNBdvk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=GM5f/r2KegawLWIBvLg1hI5CQu2lcqHyGASV9p46UteHJsU5ewjEm/FyIHaFb+D5Vg dk5ZWZ1eyHyNXSTd+jU89Ox86m4cXxUseBZvNdxS67MameL83dhV1wTchdZSLgbalwcU F6fLoj/Hbx2NSvivS4ZRvzQIPXEkQYzQ72epA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D0B5D64.13770.274BA1@nick.1957.me.uk> References: <4D0A99DD.27451.2FE068A@nick.1957.me.uk> <4D0B5D64.13770.274BA1@nick.1957.me.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:23:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCB1010 sysex for controlling EDP? From: Louie Angulo To: nick@1957.me.uk Cc: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=0003255579566044e70497a1c7d1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:23:19 +0000 (UTC) --0003255579566044e70497a1c7d1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255579566044dc0497a1c7cf --0003255579566044dc0497a1c7cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 there u go guys,i named it EDP-Adrenalinn because i had the EDP slaving the adrenalinn drum machine,they work great together and if u can borrow one,you can see how all of the fun EDP midi sync capabilities behave. Important :The EDP is on midi channel 3,and the adrenalinn is on channel 1,but if u only use the EDP,channel 1 is irrelevant in case you do get an adrenalinn then just set it to listen to channel 1. I believe this is the way is set up on the FCB1010 but i havent used it in a while so just try it and see what happens: ill give you the first bank as an example: Bank 0 switch 1=record switch 2=overdub switch 3=multiply switch 4=undo switch 5=pause switch 6=reset all loops switch 7=insert button switch 8= preset 1 switch 9 = preset 2 switch10= preset 3 now the presets only affect the behavior of the "insert" switch which i highlited in red pressing preset 1 will make the insert switch turn the loop into 1/2 speed preset 2 will make the insert switch turn the loop into reverse preset 3 will make the insert switch behave as an "unrounded insert",that is,by pushing the switch and holding your foot you can insert audio into the loop as long as you hold your foot and release it. try this out and let me know how it goes. i also have banks 09 and bank 01 with other programming but id have to go back and check it out its been a while and dont want to confuse you;-) i started messing around with mobius for about a year now and havent been doing much with my EDPs this sounds weird but lately ive been really lazy to schlepp all of that to bar gigs and been trying to get the most out of my M9 and jamman stereo looper pedals;-) cheers Luis On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 1:53 PM, nick@1957.me.uk wrote: > On 17 Dec 2010 at 10:32, Louie Angulo wrote: > > > if u have it with the UnO chip ill send you a sysex no problem. > > that would be brilliant, yes I have the uno chip. > > Many thanks! > > > > > > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > music site : http://www.looping.me.uk > myspace site : http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops > looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com > > > > --0003255579566044dc0497a1c7cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable there u go guys,i named it EDP-Adrenalinn because i had the EDP slaving the= adrenalinn drum machine,they work great together and if u can borrow one,y= ou can see how all of the fun EDP midi sync capabilities behave.
Importa= nt :The EDP is on midi channel 3,and the adrenalinn is on channel 1,but if = u only use the EDP,channel 1 is irrelevant
in case you do get an adrenalinn then just set it to listen to channel 1.
I believe this is the way is set up on the FCB1010 but i havent used = it in a while so just try it and see what happens:
ill give you the firs= t bank as an example:

Bank 0
switch 1=3Drecord
switch 2=3Doverdub
switch 3=3Dmultipl= y
switch 4=3Dundo
switch 5=3Dpause
switch 6=3Dreset all loops
<= span style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">switch 7=3Dinsert button
sw= itch 8=3D=A0 preset 1
switch 9 =3D preset 2
switch10=3D preset 3

now the presets only a= ffect the behavior of the "insert" switch which i highlited in re= d

pressing preset 1 will make the insert switch turn the loop into 1= /2 speed
preset 2 will make the insert switch turn the loop into reverse
preset 3= will make the insert switch behave as an "unrounded insert",that= is,by pushing the switch and holding your foot you can insert audio into t= he loop as long as you hold your foot and release it.

try this out and let me know how it goes.

i also have banks 09 and b= ank 01 with other programming but id have to go back and check it out its b= een a while and dont want to confuse you;-)
i started messing around wit= h mobius for about a year now and havent been doing much with my EDPs

this sounds weird but lately ive been really lazy to schlepp all of tha= t to bar gigs and been trying to get the most out of my M9 and jamman stere= o looper pedals;-)

cheers
Luis





On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 1:53 PM, nick@19= 57.me.uk <nick@= 1957.me.uk> wrote:
On 17 Dec 2010 at 10:32, Louie Angulo wrote:

> if u have it with the UnO chip ill send you a sysex no problem.

that would be brilliant, yes I have the uno chip.

Many thanks!





All the best,

Nick Robinson

music site : =A0 =A0= http://www.looping.me.uk
myspace site : =A0http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops
looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com




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Y2K10 performance From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c923e7fd9ae00497a20a90 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:42:13 +0000 (UTC) --001636c923e7fd9ae00497a20a90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi gang, i was sent an email today with a link of one of my performances at the Y2k10 in Santa Cruz. Somebody seems to have posted it though i dont recognize his name from this list. it seems to be cutoff and incomplete and wanted to ask whoever posted it if you have the complete performance and if u would be kind enough to send it to me or direct me where i can download it. ive mailed the person who has the youtube channel but havent gotten a response. here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cMN4inI_bs thanx a lot! cheers Luis --001636c923e7fd9ae00497a20a90 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi gang,
i was sent an email today with a link of one of my performances= at the Y2k10 in Santa Cruz.
Somebody seems to have posted it though i d= ont recognize his name from this list.
it seems to be cutoff and incompl= ete and wanted to ask whoever posted it if you have the complete performanc= e and if u would be kind enough to send it to me or direct me where i can d= ownload it.
ive mailed the person who has the youtube channel but havent gotten a respo= nse.

here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D0cMN4inI_bs

thanx a= lot!
cheers
Luis
--001636c923e7fd9ae00497a20a90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 17 21:55:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8ED0183461; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:55:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:55:24 UTC X-Originating-IP: [71.198.74.65] X-Originating-Email: [tygerman_gb@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Ty Gott" To: "Matt Stevens" , References: <3D83A0FD-9090-44A1-9CEB-52425496B1BD@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <3D83A0FD-9090-44A1-9CEB-52425496B1BD@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on Sunday night? Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:50:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CA_01CB9DF1.590CA070" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2010 21:50:22.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[67DE6FF0:01CB9E34] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:55:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01CB9DF1.590CA070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings from California, I=E2=80=99ve been mostly lurking around here and haven=E2=80=99t done an = online jam yet. I=E2=80=99d be interested in joining in. I have stuff = up at: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=3D817996 but my latest upload is a video: = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPlQxXpDfk6s Cheers, -Ty From: Matt Stevens=20 Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 2:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on sunday night? Does anyone fancy playing at www.cafenoodle.ning.com - streaming on the = web, nice loop friendly audience :) on Sunday?=20 Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01CB9DF1.590CA070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings from California,
I=E2=80=99ve been mostly lurking around here and haven=E2=80=99t = done an online jam yet.=20 I=E2=80=99d be interested in joining in.  I have stuff up at: http= ://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=3D817996
but my latest upload is a video: http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DPlQxXpDfk6s
 
Cheers,
-Ty
 
From: Matt Stevens
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 2:42 AM
Subject: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on sunday=20 night?
 
Does=20 anyone fancy playing at www.cafenoodle.ning.com - = streaming on=20 the web, nice loop friendly audience :) on Sunday?=20
 
Matt Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com
mattstevensguitar@btinte= rnet.com
 

 
------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01CB9DF1.590CA070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 18 01:00:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20502183456; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 01:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D0C07AD.40203@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 20:00:29 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 01:00:33 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, December 18 at 6 am EST/GMT-5. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs in Phase One. I will also play music by Those Men and new releases on the Groove Unlimited label. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 18 03:19:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3040318345A; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 03:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292642397; bh=ob4UymeWxDzoTt5tLsO8xyJbxmeVu5R6SNeIOej0Enc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YW3SeHLGk5OfjLFVXpp/BweFKsn8gzoCLnZdYnRnWTdwBvvyVBz/jRYkmDXXVv9ttHQBA7PrTqbDfjRsy9iksHG+Zz0oWbXvzbukakWvmy6C4PafQZ1+7kgs/gNLezLhoEtD7iXfDZmwPZvCdJ1wZeq5lzkdGvYMINVGH6mlC8g= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZrkV28q8wG1N+quSnb7Uu9E5zJcGlAObUDB1fMg3yMn4F/nXTt6kl1UpG8CBOYT4uHnev/q1WmeU8CM3X/wlCPrPXxygAzQPk7pBeaisled9WtU2BjWl8w8b1GemXzC1GRX3zVXy9azrnNREK33cflnSaHuUXIc/NHYkNtRWwXo=; Message-ID: <455039.82347.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ZpCNV5EVM1mWY6uNx_2LyTK_PbetoyFI61BzpuovCVDl_4Y 0_LhwjhrftsrEm5xbWu_cMVxEzQ0kktJbVDMIY0KWqDy1co0aW7hiF.TvxrY CrDVUOS2wThnvQjDriik343fjkZ3IDUNlu0tvqawv3r9sbef1txK9feEsjsj GLptkDyb9_XaBuTqaSMRI.GpIVGhGwFfWpcCLmLE7FXZsdGp.ZOZT46L0lsI NL72WtDYn4D0HGoTIZZj95fhdV0C44GLEf0FkgpknreS.jBltfgh0J7dqDOP e62vmHjHVGV4QaEkMPDeFSrNL99E_LkVBL17e_z2T_T_F3bhPHQIB0_QHH3l oTlSNnFcOzcRihYLdOzcgMrWafBpEOOkyhSNTMQI.JPYy01tdHQkQytDYvXi Vg3BHlBF9zfjMXQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:19:57 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Uccello Subject: Re: Melbourne, Monterey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 03:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Thanks a heap Ted! Nat and I worked really hard on this CD and your words m= ean a lot. =0A=0AAlso, if any are curious to hear a bit about the process o= f making this CD, entirely online, there's this really nice 13 minute long = podcast =0AJeff Schmidt (Musician/Producer/Bassist, KFOG/KSAN Creative Dire= ctor, Contract Sound Designer World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, Diablo 3, & oth= er games/films) did about Nat's & my duo "sung" & our CD "Melbourne, Monter= ey" =0A=0Ahttp://soundslikeschmidt.wordpress.com/2010/10/20/beautiful-bass= -podcast-steve-uccello-sung/=0A=0A-after hearing it our friend Rick W. had = this to say:=0A=0ARick Walker: "Just heard the podcast.............beautifu= l stuff you and Nat did.........really beautiful............you should feel= very proud of yourselves...........that is really MUSIC!!!!!!!!"=0A=0A=0AF= orgive me if this is coming across as a brag, but I am indeed very proud of= the music Nat and I made together and I can't help getting excited and tal= k it up a bit-=0A=0AAll the best to all the list! Steve Uccello=0A=0Ahttp:/= /www.myspace.com/sungduo=0Awww.steveuccello.com=0A=0A=0A=0A--- On Thu, 12/1= 6/10, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote:=0A=0A> From: tEd =AE = KiLLiAn =0A> Subject: Re: Melbourne, Monterey=0A> T= o: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Date: Thursday, December 16, 201= 0, 7:56 PM=0A> Steve,=0A> =0A> I am listening to this right now and am REAL= LY enjoying=0A> it.=0A> =0A> Bot you and Nat bring extremely different, but= quite=0A> pleasingly compatible gifts of musicality to the project.=0A> = =0A> Good stuff . . . and fresh.=0A> =0A> I think I will have to pay and do= wnload the whole album.=0A> =0A> Thanks for sharing!=0A> =0A> Best,=0A> =0A= > Ted=0A> =0A> On Dec 15, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Steve Uccello wrote:=0A> =0A> >= Hello all, Happy holidays to you all, hope you're=0A> doing great out ther= e!=A0 Though it's a bit overdue, I=0A> just wanted to let you all know abou= t the online=0A> collaborative duo that Nat Grant and I have formed called= =0A> "sung" and our CD "Melbourne, Monterey" (released 10-10-10)=0A> > =0A>= > I am extremely proud of it. If you are so moved,=0A> please visit our Ba= ndcamp profile and pick up a copy, listen=0A> to the whole record streaming= free, or click the 'like'=0A> button, it would be *much* appreciated! Than= ks, Steve=0A> Uccello=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > http://sung-duo.bandcamp.com/=0A>= > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 18 03:29:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B501183456; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 03:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012170220 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-17_08:2010-12-17,2010-12-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <9F9EC38B-B6CF-40A6-8D4E-9570387CEDD1@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: auto volume swell plug in Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 20:29:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 03:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Does any body know of an auto volume swell (slow gear) type au/ vst plug in? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 18 10:11:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C670E183459; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 10:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kmkKPYCHF2G3SmBhQ5tyD0W3qENRJwqMjC1vC2peMuw=; b=YMqKgq/kDYRT+cA/yIJKDs/vx8358BooY+PiCqD75HfM/lQPA4vmiGRpm2GqbRyZz4 IGClc3aJABg/sUR3ocT4DjSN+0XVSzRZLijFftM+sOUW9cWKw8bstWV2ExeLHCioqKcn dreHgki5uM8Bnun1qt79IaDG8eTXOCmL+JjWs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=NRjKdgcwTYSPAn8Vff3ndDWfMghW5N9MAuplBYb9FEDiFy7WTNSYMLiSXE5RRP8kwg nOPtNE5iycu1fnRUSOzbCbEQFB/SN8+3UqorvkdRNNcEIdCH59F/zuMOSrHmurUALpqG vzpOidcC4EMwbRNV0ZcTkPjBSGGVNaWsDHs2U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> <4D0A338D.2040903@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:11:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RE: jamming with myself From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5bd864a60950497ac8490 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 10:11:58 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5bd864a60950497ac8490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi boost awesome! can you develop more on how you are programig the MPC1000 to sequence this? On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:00 PM, boost wrote: > Thank you for your support everybody ! > > i do intensive use of the SUS-Replace function of the echoplex , but you're > right Rick there is a sequence running from the begining to the end. a midi > seq played on the MPC1000, and that retrigg the loops rythmicaly. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Walker > *To:* Michael Peters > *Cc:* 'boost' ; > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:43 PM > *Subject:* Re: RE: jamming with myself > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > > Apparently this video has moved to > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApFb5sMfThk > in the meantime. > > This is really cool. > > I"m just wondering, how is he automating the process so that every over dub > is doing > what sound like SUS=SUB > > I'm not seeing him striking or stepping on anything early in the piece > so it seems like the process is automated > > Am I missing something? > > Very cool, however he's accomplishing it. > > rick walker > > --001636c5bd864a60950497ac8490 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi boost
awesome!
can you develop more on how you are programig the = MPC1000 to sequence this?

On Thu, Dec 16,= 2010 at 11:00 PM, boost <boost@boosterized.com> wrote:
Thank you for your support everybody !=
=A0
i do intensive use of the SUS-Replace = function of=20 the echoplex , but you're right Rick there is a sequence running from t= he=20 begining to the end. a midi seq played on the MPC1000, and that retrigg the= =20 loops rythmicaly.
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rick Walker=20
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010= 4:43=20 PM
Subject: Re: RE: jamming with=20 myself

On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote:=20
A= pparently this video has moved to
<= a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DApFb5sMfThk" target=3D"_blank">h= ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DApFb5sMfThk
i= n the meantime.
This is really=20 cool.

I"m just wondering, how is he automating the process so= that=20 every over dub is doing
what sound like SUS=3DSUB

I'm not = seeing him=20 striking or stepping on=A0 anything early in the piece
=A0so it seems= =20 like the process is automated

Am I missing something?

Very = cool,=20 however he's accomplishing it.

rick walker

--001636c5bd864a60950497ac8490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 18 10:24:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC792183475; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 10:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ciavnyzt8Aa85iZUlSnrdeHBEF0n8ZncepsYV80cQCc=; b=P0abOSvo8o+0QnLXpXo0Ywd7wg4AWaSUBFVPB8u54odN50+cKl287NBlI/XDF49oMO m9E98AMPTtPuSnQxRO9X4yapcc+GDarqhZJ6E1iGa6K2DcIfV7vP20BAKKJXrPkvyBS5 nQFPcw4Jz4Wk22GCwRBaKJpR+AbqMwbhawiPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=NwwsNffrp/E4GZIqrQyMNnr62iC0CGERC+d8xfmtvotYJLRloibT9PY7DzVwMXZZ6c urO1vLyo40sBeVcZNiuiO+5IXLOjfXszy1Jd4I91+lELqPvaNIzrxGyFmI2psakqGs8P 17raOM9en9nrGS3XFV7XMjLB6sMVp+9/c/TIY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9F9EC38B-B6CF-40A6-8D4E-9570387CEDD1@mac.com> References: <9F9EC38B-B6CF-40A6-8D4E-9570387CEDD1@mac.com> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:24:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: auto volume swell plug in From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 10:24:54 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Does any body know of an auto volume swell (slow gear) type au/ vst plug in? I'd like that too! For now I use two workarounds; one is using Amplitube 3 that has a swell pedal plugin that is great. But I think some guitars and stick sounds better without the amp simulation and then I use the Enveloper plugin that is part of Logic/Mainstage. But the Enveloper isn't designed for such long fade in sweeps so it doesn't sound as good as the dedicated AT3 plugin. BTW, the AT swell pedal plugin can be set to sync to host tempo (I use 8th note duration mostly). I find that useful but not optimally useful. Better would be the length of the fade in sweep would go faster with louder input level. Then you could simply attack a string harder for a faster fade and be able to play more interesting lines. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 18 14:25:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67DA4183466; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:25:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: auto volume swell plug in In-Reply-To: References: <9F9EC38B-B6CF-40A6-8D4E-9570387CEDD1@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20101218142525.E9D792487E@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Guitar Rig has an auto swell, or sort of. You use the volume pedal affect and then tie the input level MDF which is sort an envelope follower to control the volume pedal. Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca At 05:24 AM 12/18/2010, you wrote: >On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > > Does any body know of an auto volume swell (slow gear) type au/ > vst plug in? > > >I'd like that too! For now I use two workarounds; one is using >Amplitube 3 that has a swell pedal plugin that is great. But I think >some guitars and stick sounds better without the amp simulation and >then I use the Enveloper plugin that is part of Logic/Mainstage. But >the Enveloper isn't designed for such long fade in sweeps so it >doesn't sound as good as the dedicated AT3 plugin. BTW, the AT swell >pedal plugin can be set to sync to host tempo (I use 8th note duration >mostly). I find that useful but not optimally useful. Better would be >the length of the fade in sweep would go faster with louder input >level. Then you could simply attack a string harder for a faster fade >and be able to play more interesting lines. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se >www.perboysen.com >www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 18 14:43:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A256D183466; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pmbGK6BKSHp+bqjT/+YegA)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012180058 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-18_02:2010-12-18,2010-12-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <35E0862D-52A4-4A2B-BEF3-4FC667A5206A@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: Subject: Re: auto volume swell plug in Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 07:43:23 -0700 References: <9F9EC38B-B6CF-40A6-8D4E-9570387CEDD1@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:43:26 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_pmbGK6BKSHp+bqjT/+YegA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT this looks promising though I won't be able to get to it till later today; Audiowish - Note Gate 2 On Dec 18, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Paul Mimlitsch > wrote: >> Does any body know of an auto volume swell (slow gear) type au/ vst >> plug in? > > > I'd like that too! For now I use two workarounds; one is using > Amplitube 3 that has a swell pedal plugin that is great. But I think > some guitars and stick sounds better without the amp simulation and > then I use the Enveloper plugin that is part of Logic/Mainstage. But > the Enveloper isn't designed for such long fade in sweeps so it > doesn't sound as good as the dedicated AT3 plugin. BTW, the AT swell > pedal plugin can be set to sync to host tempo (I use 8th note duration > mostly). I find that useful but not optimally useful. Better would be > the length of the fade in sweep would go faster with louder input > level. Then you could simply attack a string harder for a faster fade > and be able to play more interesting lines. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > --Boundary_(ID_pmbGK6BKSHp+bqjT/+YegA) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable this looks promising though I = won't be able to get to it till later today;


On Dec 18, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Per = Boysen wrote:

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Paul Mimlitsch = <pmimlitsch@mac.com> = wrote:
Does any body know of an auto volume = swell (slow gear) type au/ vst plug in?


I'd like = that too! For now I use two workarounds; one is using
Amplitube 3 = that has a swell pedal plugin that is great. But I think
some guitars = and stick sounds better without the amp simulation and
then I use the = Enveloper plugin that is part of Logic/Mainstage. But
the Enveloper = isn't designed for such long fade in sweeps so it
doesn't sound as = good as the dedicated AT3 plugin. BTW, the AT swell
pedal plugin can = be set to sync to host tempo (I use 8th note duration
mostly). I find = that useful but not optimally useful. Better would be
the length of = the fade in sweep would go faster with louder input
level. Then you = could simply attack a string harder for a faster fade
and be able to = play more interesting lines.

Greetings from Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
ww= w.looproom.com internet music = hub


= --Boundary_(ID_pmbGK6BKSHp+bqjT/+YegA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 18 15:20:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61B6E18345B; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D0CD12A.8070808@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 10:20:10 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for December 18, 2010. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:20:14 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2010/101218.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EST/GMT-5 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow< every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #188 December 18, 2010. On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music magazine. Each contemporary issue comes with a CD. However, the early issues came with a cassette. The cassettes from issues one through thirteen have been remastered and are now available on CDR in plastic slip covers with artwork and track details. Details are at: http://sequencesmagazine.com Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Create Search and Rescue We Live by the Machines (Groove) VA [Paul Ward] (no title given) Sequences No. 12 VA [Bios] (no title given) Sequences No. 12 VA [Egil Fylling] (no title given) Sequences No. 12 Gert Emmens Strategem of Metamorphosis (Groove) Morality Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Eric Harry Falling Hearts Away Melacholy Away (Calm) Will Ackerman A Child's Song Pure (Windham Hill) Heidi Anne Breyer On His Wings Another Place and Time (Winterhall) Peter Kater Everlasting Waltz Call of Love (Point of Light) Shambu Together Sacred Love - Feel the Journey (none) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Lunatic Soul The In-Between Lunatic Soul II (Kscope) Kingdom Lunatic Soul Otherwhere Lunatic Soul II (Kscope) Lunatic Soul Suspended In Lunatic Soul II (Kscope) Whiteness Those Men The Dreams Come Theman Simpulse (none) Those Men Germination and the Theman Simpulse (none) Seed Grows Those Men Preconditions Theman Simpulse (none) Unshackling Those Men Tractor Yang Man Theman Simpulse (none) Those Men What Would You Say Theman Simpulse (none) If You Had To Eat Yourself Today? VA [Ozone Player] Canto 21 Dante's Paradiso (Musae) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 18 16:21:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFE81183466; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3BF84C2327234A86BB9213B7B647203B@boo6e771026609> From: "boost" To: References: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver><4D0A338D.2040903@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: RE: jamming with myself Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:21:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CB9ED7.F3104C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101217-1, 17/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 16100087193538248370 X-Ovh-Remote: 81.220.209.20 (ip-20.net-81-220-209.rev.numericable.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:21:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CB9ED7.F3104C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Louie, the sequence is a simple loop of 2 or 3 measures with a midi note that = retrig the loops of each echoplex. you can hear a variation every 5 = seconds, that's it. a new video is online: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Di89BsvPUEYQ hope you'll like it too. boost ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Louie Angulo=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 11:11 AM Subject: Re: RE: jamming with myself Hi boost=20 awesome! can you develop more on how you are programig the MPC1000 to sequence = this? On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:00 PM, boost wrote: Thank you for your support everybody ! i do intensive use of the SUS-Replace function of the echoplex , but = you're right Rick there is a sequence running from the begining to the = end. a midi seq played on the MPC1000, and that retrigg the loops = rythmicaly. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Walker=20 To: Michael Peters=20 Cc: 'boost' ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:43 PM Subject: Re: RE: jamming with myself On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote:=20 Apparently this video has moved to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DApFb5sMfThk in the meantime. This is really cool. I"m just wondering, how is he automating the process so that every = over dub is doing=20 what sound like SUS=3DSUB I'm not seeing him striking or stepping on anything early in the = piece so it seems like the process is automated Am I missing something? Very cool, however he's accomplishing it. rick walker ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CB9ED7.F3104C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Louie,
the sequence is a simple loop of 2 or 3 = measures=20 with a midi note that retrig the loops of each echoplex. you can hear a=20 variation every 5 seconds, that's it.
a new video is online: http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3Di89BsvPUEYQ
hope you'll like it too.
boost
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Louie Angulo
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 18, = 2010 11:11=20 AM
Subject: Re: RE: jamming with=20 myself

Hi boost
awesome!
can you develop more on how = you are=20 programig the MPC1000 to sequence this?

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:00 PM, boost <boost@boosterized.com>=20 wrote:
Thank you for your support = everybody=20 !
 
i do intensive use of the = SUS-Replace function=20 of the echoplex , but you're right Rick there is a sequence running = from the=20 begining to the end. a midi seq played on the MPC1000, and that = retrigg the=20 loops rythmicaly.
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Rick Walker
Cc: 'boost' = ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, December = 16, 2010=20 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: RE: jamming = with=20 myself

On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote:=20
Apparently this=20 video has moved to
in = the=20 meantime.
This is really = cool.

I"m=20 just wondering, how is he automating the process so that every = over dub is=20 doing
what sound like SUS=3DSUB

I'm not seeing him = striking or=20 stepping on  anything early in the piece
 so it seems = like=20 the process is automated

Am I missing = something?

Very cool,=20 however he's accomplishing it.

rick=20 = walker

------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CB9ED7.F3104C80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 18 16:25:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5105518345B; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7MICBqTMaRjM6AqtasVlfyC7hAIN3tTvrJQW2t/ZDZI=; b=wv3K9692hdqklzyw6pfXZEgZXX1gJ4gMg6jZBxHvpQ+Jfz2hGcckQvwZoNV54OXy2q 8CDmSpRw7Ur89opud75kJ4vsGdj14mMhpjfwxJgFwo+YfxBOMdDIMKDN7HeU+TzFjpg+ QuUxA3bqutzCtmuLl1MV3rshxlMh2+W/sbKmQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KOZkuL4FlZxGoePqbfu22xdAT2NUqlNrIsnfkhPWuJI1uoYJ8I+GDmGSdYA5EZa4DL rPXkV7Gsddvewy+hsMxl43iTAVzLzxjuQ5qodPDBYydQmneHNCQXAY5UX2drG4OdzPx7 o6yCn3nqw71fVQX74WlTV28GWLtc+QwE74Jzc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <35E0862D-52A4-4A2B-BEF3-4FC667A5206A@mac.com> References: <9F9EC38B-B6CF-40A6-8D4E-9570387CEDD1@mac.com> <35E0862D-52A4-4A2B-BEF3-4FC667A5206A@mac.com> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:25:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: auto volume swell plug in From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:25:32 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > this looks promising though I won't be able to get to it till later today; > Audiowish - Note Gate 2 Listened to the demo sound samples and found no example of a fade in curve starting at silence, which is what I like. Maybe it can do that but the developers didn't think it was worth demonstrating online? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 18 17:33:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18E75183466; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:33:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 857507.19689.bm@omp1009.mail.ird.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=vrF+OS9to295fXdENFhy4sXSz+s4YVTtMNJpz7xAELYZgB4kZnC1IEdildnu6Muy6qxwsh79CbLwD9+pFZor5LKxG6R42b/EUTWCVpCTmXVZLX4acVQaSIE3e9BqKoQBY024qFjr4jh8m9z9eRwHlbIGSB+0qPatUKnlCzmf2xw= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1292693615; bh=n2xLOdbhZ8SG93ygU2WTiVBBGANc86n5bChKtEYnUmY=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=KmMjdfi3CUIJtt1WbfikXXBjCeSJ+KJ+YWbI/tYVVqZgu4MFpd4VTfOVpDJSAKADihuKhfzFfNmr3lkZ7Bkr5Ewa7OCQaXZ3Zo7P0dyd8TGCKkN0wIUSmcHWQuF5LKU5aycgN2HEiBUXjzFGEw7jVGb88lxfdLrDzRHpLd7+ARo= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: FO90cCsVM1nNrw6I_rjKKuO9_4XrGOI5nrJ8Xx1TQp7Mejy 34qDcero3B83vCVtgt5HaWxN351XkbJe6MrNNPkL6kf7AgRXgU2EDaHcuWiZ wpaq7FR4Nf9hUus9GpNpc1cMJPXmtfMidQDrzvTqo0m.khtaiDHUO22DUQLO yvc3VnryvON4EjjrrW013HRszatgv30GWtDoUatrm9XIrFoXKo.SdTlXk4TH 8t4zY9jYfHqGNv9iseBmrR2Nxe1at7stufAhp8B.R6WDOE.BSCQLWvz.gpUy Lv1VD7N7am_aVIPmM4VTz3JqXlQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: References: <3D83A0FD-9090-44A1-9CEB-52425496B1BD@btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-853797632 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on Sunday night? Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:33:30 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:33:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-853797632 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed AWESOME! Join up at www.cafenoodle.ning.com Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 17 Dec 2010, at 21:50, Ty Gott wrote: > Greetings from California, > I=92ve been mostly lurking around here and haven=92t done an online = jam =20 > yet. I=92d be interested in joining in. I have stuff up at: http://=20= > www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=3D817996 > but my latest upload is a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?=20 > v=3DPlQxXpDfk6s > > Cheers, > -Ty > > From: Matt Stevens > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 2:42 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Anyone fancy doing a streaming gig on sunday night? > > Does anyone fancy playing at www.cafenoodle.ning.com - streaming on =20= > the web, nice loop friendly audience :) on Sunday? > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > --Apple-Mail-4-853797632 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 AWESOME! Join up at www.cafenoodle.ning.com
Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 17 Dec 2010, = at 21:50, Ty Gott wrote:

Greetings from California,
I=92ve been = mostly lurking around here and haven=92t done an online jam yet. I=92d = be interested in joining in.  I have stuff up at: http:= //www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=3D817996
=
but my latest upload is a video: http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DPlQxXpDfk6s
 
Cheers,
=
-Ty
=
 
=
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 2:42 AM
=
Subject: Anyone fancy doing a = streaming gig on sunday night?
 
=
Does anyone fancy playing at www.cafenoodle.ning.com - = streaming on the web, nice loop friendly audience :) on Sunday?
=
 
Matt Stevens
=
www.mattstevensguitar.com
 


=
 

= --Apple-Mail-4-853797632-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 18 17:37:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D87E183475; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'boost'" , References: <3BF84C2327234A86BB9213B7B647203B@boo6e771026609> Subject: RE: RE: jamming with myself Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:37:26 +0100 Message-ID: <2FD917FEAF5E4C4B97B8E0D79C80CEF7@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01CB9EE2.9EB76E10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <3BF84C2327234A86BB9213B7B647203B@boo6e771026609> Thread-Index: Acue2chB8QM+WLbaSBeX/HERtr3OYQAAGY5w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:37:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01CB9EE2.9EB76E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit great stuff boost !!! -Michael _____ From: boost [mailto:boost@boosterized.com] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 5:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: jamming with myself Hi Louie, the sequence is a simple loop of 2 or 3 measures with a midi note that retrig the loops of each echoplex. you can hear a variation every 5 seconds, that's it. a new video is online: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i89BsvPUEYQ hope you'll like it too. boost ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01CB9EE2.9EB76E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
great stuff boost !!!  = -Michael

From: boost = [mailto:boost@boosterized.com]=20
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 5:21 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: RE: jamming = with=20 myself

Hi Louie,
the sequence is a simple loop of 2 or = 3 measures=20 with a midi note that retrig the loops of each echoplex. you can hear = a=20 variation every 5 seconds, that's it.
a new video is online: http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3Di89BsvPUEYQ
hope you'll like it too.
boost
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D0A625E.9030404@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1485685445-1292720821=:24774" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 01:07:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-1485685445-1292720821=:24774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll also chime in as a very satisfied Disturbo user. The DS-1 is a great distortion pedal and the DAED mods make it a great wild= card. ted h. Or would you sing somethin' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you* felt= . Cause I'm telling you right now, that's the kind of song people want to h= ear. That's the kind of song that truly saves people. It ain't got nothin t= o do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' in yourse= lf. Sam Phillips, "Walk the Line" --- On Thu, 12/16/10, Rick Walker wrote: From: Rick Walker Subject: Re: Get BENT by DAED for the 'olidays... To: legion@helpwantedproductions.com Cc: "Synth DIY" , "Loopers Delight" , "AH" Received: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 11:02 AM On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: > I'm discounting the current inventory of various circuit bent units and > the infamous DAED feedback synth while they last. Some are DIRT cheap > ($30-$65) and the FBS is now $200 if you mention this post - Normally $25= 0 > - only two in stock. I own the DAED Disturbo DS-1 mod and the DAED Bass Theremin and I think they are both amazing.=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0Saving my moolah to get = the DAED Feedback Synth and the DAED Juicy Wah (modded Crybaby Wah pedal). The DAED Disturbo DS-1 is a mod of the Boss DS-1 Distortion box, which pres= erves and enriches the original sound of the pedal but then has several mods that make it an amazing noise generator. http://www.youtube.com/user/legionhwp#p/u/2/6eUQOCOnJWY I've become quite the fan of botique (and prosaic) distortion, feedback, ov= erdrive and fuzz pedals and this is one of my very favorite pedals. What is so great is that this is a botique pedal mod that is extremely inex= pensive and sounds as good as many of the $300 pedals outside there. It also generates it's own noise if you want so you don't need an input dev= ice (necessarily). I truly love it. rick walker =0A=0A --0-1485685445-1292720821=:24774 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'll also chime in as a very satisfied Di= sturbo user.

The DS-1 is a great distortion pedal and the DAED mods = make it a great wildcard.


ted h.

Or would you sing someth= in' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you = right now, that's the kind of song people want to hear. That's the kind of = song that truly saves people. It ain't got nothin to do with believin' in G= od, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' in yourself. Sam Phillips, "Wal= k the Line"

--- On Thu, 12/16/10, Rick Walker <looppool@cru= zio.com> wrote:

From: Rick Walke= r <looppool@cruzio.com>
Subject: Re: Get BENT by DAED for the 'oli= days...
To: legion@helpwantedproductions.com
Cc: "Synth DIY" <synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl>, "Loopers Delight" <Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com>, "AH" <analogue@hyperreal.org>
Received: = Thursday, December 16, 2010, 11:02 AM

On 7/= 22/64 11:59 AM, legion@helpwantedpro= ductions.com wrote:
> I'm discounting the current inventory of va= rious circuit bent units and
> the infamous DAED feedback synth while= they last. Some are DIRT cheap
> ($30-$65) and the FBS is now $200 i= f you mention this post - Normally $250
> - only two in stock.
I o= wn the DAED Disturbo DS-1 mod and the DAED Bass Theremin and
I think the= y are both amazing.         Saving my moolah = to get the
DAED Feedback Synth and the DAED Juicy Wah (modded Crybaby Wa= h pedal).

The DAED Disturbo DS-1 is a mod of the Boss DS-1 Distortio= n box, which preserves
and enriches the original sound of the pedal but t= hen has several mods that
make it an amazing noise generator.

http://www.youtube.com/user/legionhwp#p/u/2/6eUQOCOnJWY

= I've become quite the fan of botique (and prosaic) distortion, feedback, ov= erdrive and fuzz
pedals and this is one of my very favorite pedals.
<= br>What is so great is that this is a botique pedal mod that is extremely i= nexpensive and sounds
as good as many of the $300 pedals outside there.<= br>
It also generates it's own noise if you want so you don't need an in= put device (necessarily).

I truly love it.

rick walker

--0-1485685445-1292720821=:24774-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 03:02:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D219A183461; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 03:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 942893.84326.bm@omp1043.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292727775; bh=iA6GZNggchLQNioE8291txTe92RR7FLebwNjLvMIftU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=acJ+rV7oEsTn6CkLsk3YEdfBEZ63lR2hCyLq7t+zThC2rKNgeoyEN6he2EgP4o1KYANz+fkrVmjFUc8GGacKnZlFFAevX0k1pKUdQ8yj29q9xR9KIAIsXjNiyYkVpAzJsL29MnsjwgF8QBO96FKNNs60agx4E5OqmPlfTjduu+s= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LePn4X4ChbQOsXipVW/KoXrD+qCQSbmZaawJrWBqKncI8tclbWTwpsUdrvi0rvWaxkfz2hL+394Ft1LmRIhbCPNnChOob0ooonVzD4sJW0Yl8+hfk/5skae6Lerpd+F2kFYTrHjlqR0P289S4d6DH/Jta4dDro+KrOEN79BNGR0=; Message-ID: <770827.54981.qm@web59611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YsfuI1kVM1nBKHMh1jfcvcyNbP0JkbIGsmN8BofhXrH41Rx 8IdVseNWdKfu2K8.Dv7YcOrWbj0tdjw5DHrsVWvD2xlB4ywSc913t7_tXbBy YU.CE.96CaHXlsGRIO6.jZMXBUlwQ085FfxmtPjf8fYpY_Be7t31kChcURLg idvITyod9kTMwAW_lqNBPPYF9dHwhYSeYInd_A7u31Z8HzK5kFGHl4oCQl3X RISf_Y_nFvG1HRZRvctPipqUaQyBbtOgATX_e3ejYtdAz9AqvuOPCPtu2M3r 8OhY4Pgbema2q4K9CLkZMZC9nFNSbQn01GilY0FAayu01um3K X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:02:55 -0800 (PST) From: chuspa Subject: mobius basic tutorial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1316298090-1292727775=:54981" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 03:02:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-1316298090-1292727775=:54981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0Hi, does anybody know or have resume a basic mobius app. tutorial? because of the complex manual, I will like to know the basic for use it thanks luis prado=0A=0A=0A --0-1316298090-1292727775=:54981 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 Hi, does anybody kn= ow or have resume a basic mobius app. tutorial?

be= cause of the complex manual, I will like to know the basic for use it
=

thanks

luis prado

=0A=0A=0A=0A   --0-1316298090-1292727775=:54981-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 07:38:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE077183466; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iE4ggTIzqROXOPgk2A0fFt2kK+plwgfu3zQKNnB5HE4=; b=viCl9I5tGgvn4eUzNDnhqd1+HYnhweJV4czMxZNtyF5cy3mpZEWCKBwT0Ii1aByeOb YLawO4fUphStkV6QovUN8Eg5nqk8Dd+Lg3HK0C6WCwed6w0G5ZhMhqH5iEUMU1cVgSQj LUuQHI1iQlxipDPP8ZURynuHjMF1qNDZwFQFI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZzrTC4wRHlZVWinGmxaHdkD0FPLQi2P71D7eOnsxTqnozSRJzz4qr5/IbX4mW8qZBF JRHIVK6x3PNb0GrtPCHzVm+chiHWJrgByoGarDJ7v3KVZGScC/sZDxWVg3kyLcEqRiXQ hz0zzl4PbxBpeaAlJ0xOw8u41cvCFuCcS+y2s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <770827.54981.qm@web59611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <770827.54981.qm@web59611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 08:38:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mobius basic tutorial From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <6TPq9D.A.tQF.hZbDNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis, I posted a step for step tutorial with demo video at http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132 This uses Mobius and covers some techniques for using chord changes in live looping. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:02 AM, chuspa wrote: > > =C2=A0Hi, does anybody know or have resume a basic mobius app. tutorial? > because of the complex manual, I will like to know the basic for use it > thanks > luis prado From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 09:52:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0E6F183466; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:52:44 +0900 Subject: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... From: Dustbunnies To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Thread-Index: AcufYnuhJY253633TRayMj6OwCG9Wg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <9FWr9.A.cM.yXdDNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:52:51 +0000 (UTC) >From Synthtopia:=20 " This video is an epic dystopian future teaser for Elektron=B9s new Octatrac= k performance sampler...." http://is.gd/j05M4 Not much real content (technical or otherwise), but quite entertaining if a little dark & morbid. I liked the random Blade Runner references (I caught two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly there's a nod or three to Usual Suspects in there also. --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 13:38:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AAEA183466; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 13:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0Z0Mh/IOSuSa61WaBSgA7Y9SGaKMOe4yzXY0WasVAsI=; b=UmOGtj1gDGiIIcB+z2hAxKZkr8mx4zfvAOpH1LrUjyvxz5ZVAXAZvabk8MPpd4D0uj 2MJ0PUW0C7MTpi645tgfJq7mIqBOzzCw48RdsYzsEaNlA6XL1WnUgbjnCotEJMyP1b4z MBk7+anJTWJqx9QKdA3YSJfJdyPXiMe3sP8Bc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CYAPMB6s5zxCRBUz+Ul6rbytPgryoE0W1G9XR5eHCzQcQtqq+/YXUDtlms30utiVAl AI47WpsPfHw2AuQaOzFlFlLroFFdDT1w+lnvQZMDsjQ9+cqu2nNn4wRFTjhmjJGKOCXX NWMSVI0Gwju2kCxV9nwcjenZ+9bJKFe1JHLIE= Message-ID: <4D0E0AE2.3030702@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:38:42 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: Replacement for my gig yesterday... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7oOCF.A.joF.ergDNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 13:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Due to a bad case of migraine, I wasn't able to perform yesterday (as announced on this list), but: Café Noodle has a Christmas Flash Gig today, featuring Matt Stevens, Stephen P. Goodman and yours truly. From the Café: " Ladies and Gentlemen Cafe Noodle is proud to present a quick Christmas gig with free online streaming web gig TODAY - watch from ANYWHERE in the world: Matt Stevens (featuring Catstalker) - 7pm Rainer Straschill - 7.30 pm Stephen Goodman - 8pm www.cafenoodle.ning.com Merry Christmas and see you there :) Facebook Event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=161103630600415 WORLD TIMES ARE HERE: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=19&month=12&year=2010&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=136 " Hope to see you there, Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 15:24:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ADCB183461; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <781704F00E724C2E8384A1A56587C870@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4D0E0AE2.3030702@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D0E0AE2.3030702@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: Replacement for my gig yesterday... Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:24:29 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:24:28 +0000 (UTC) ?I'm afraid a temperature has me down for the count folks. Terribly sorry but I want to have it together before Christmas... -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Straschill Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 1:38 PM To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: Replacement for my gig yesterday... Due to a bad case of migraine, I wasn't able to perform yesterday (as announced on this list), but: Café Noodle has a Christmas Flash Gig today, featuring Matt Stevens, Stephen P. Goodman and yours truly. From the Café: " Ladies and Gentlemen Cafe Noodle is proud to present a quick Christmas gig with free online streaming web gig TODAY - watch from ANYWHERE in the world: Matt Stevens (featuring Catstalker) - 7pm Rainer Straschill - 7.30 pm Stephen Goodman - 8pm www.cafenoodle.ning.com Merry Christmas and see you there :) Facebook Event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=161103630600415 WORLD TIMES ARE HERE: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=19&month=12&year=2010&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=136 " Hope to see you there, Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 16:57:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87FAF183466; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_77a6eeea-490b-4010-a6b4-c9af46ccdc8a_" X-Originating-IP: [67.85.0.195] From: David Grego To: Subject: OT: Captain Beefheart Passing Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:57:23 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <770827.54981.qm@web59611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <770827.54981.qm@web59611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2010 16:57:23.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE908250:01CB9F9D] Resent-Message-ID: <9_zwV.A.euC.0ljDNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:57:24 +0000 (UTC) --_77a6eeea-490b-4010-a6b4-c9af46ccdc8a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Don (1941-2010). You will be missed.=20 "Breaks my heart to see the highway past the hill"..... = --_77a6eeea-490b-4010-a6b4-c9af46ccdc8a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Don (1941-2010). You will be missed. =3B

"Brea= ks my heart to see the highway past the hill".....
 = --_77a6eeea-490b-4010-a6b4-c9af46ccdc8a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 17:14:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02C83183466; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FWSdEXZ8qD3AdESal+buXzhfVMD7sNGb6jaoJh2Z+1k=; b=ogOwbLcvXEPyCKcLfPjZmB9CXNUsy/bDlzJDj9flzdBf3N+v6XVLXp5WrRsSZr8K3s vGDJOlI70QETyGlhozEwOvxN/5d6lDJfcgzbE/esJV3W/uwM7e4lUei78ASe/vRqd1En vVujCzscoYOpAxS9kTgqqRCI3IpyXqxoej/RQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=g/Zk5RBoZiTG+q6BVv2ZcfuuUrlox+RtiJgxqwFcrnWSxzWNNf5acuS0uuiHWpQvzS 0x9ohKS0ubzKT2RYvRo49AwE1P1eHAb5A42v8+xCcYzcGy/6GtNfhsYxdVDCx7CyULo1 3D/Wim8dAGkCUhu0SnDjCiSMlrYzyMf0lgLKY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <770827.54981.qm@web59611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:14:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Captain Beefheart Passing From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636eef32fbd5f0d0497c6874f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:14:05 +0000 (UTC) --001636eef32fbd5f0d0497c6874f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow very sad news, love that line, don't know it. We will miss you Captain... On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:57 AM, David Grego wrote= : > Sorry Don (1941-2010). You will be missed. > > "Breaks my heart to see the highway past the hill"..... > --=20 >From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com --001636eef32fbd5f0d0497c6874f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow very sad news, love that line, don't know it. =A0We will miss you C= aptain...

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:57 A= M, David Grego <tubaczar98@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sorry Don (1941-2010). You will be missed.=A0

"Brea= ks my heart to see the highway past the hill".....
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from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandca= mp.com.

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--001636eef32fbd5f0d0497c6874f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 17:28:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47116183461; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 984929.3875.bm@omp1041.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292779687; bh=6AcQnpPotRIzsqxDcP6pX6pdQ3LAc01+n9td/FPBI2U=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6KVR/NVQA+mb4a1vndQVUv+8jvjLEqNuSB40qMeCU0guXu3KHkPuyQiJzsc6wCPnwZeUuddBuQsdzAXIHHA4c3GNHffMBDNw1HGfGQVweYUx7a0539FEUG7FChH6gQG3tWLLJ/x22LMG4HKkWqCc2wuE4PxIZMRm9JwWkFNQK3s= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=F0HglhUa9qVj3XvmXIDuLEvoygEjRDusXem5WV8RDIcpcTxR4N9pk4tg1acraMK9mGku63YYgeZgk86R36Iys/fbFujpfdaFYm/r9ec6/abv+IG+DtU05uh+aarTwHUYA9AZGt1moW4QQB1ypyQfhBCp+Zf5T0/byQmaDDD0c5U=; Message-ID: <839186.95488.qm@web59616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Ep7VboMVM1msBjPB1mI1hggbiTnTYXm3lYKPfoSy8vy4zUO _4sWQJ91NkL.VqDw7.Kw2t_Fdefs89snpt3CFMjDgJgXGdIzviHEtu.nkIdM nUGa1uXg0YKsVrHRKLofg7M7QP_SJPsRsKU8h61wZMwc68lpwSeGnnXw_lUx sNZvwm7gT2cQbKK1lnBbZtNQ4KAhWmdJli4jXkJzuy2yKRZwyD13OGQh4xNX 7tuv2K3SYh9ijLhumCUQoHnFT4jXrVyB4nIzzgr5hPf77PZBAihOfqt9VwLM RuVO9531Dl.HoIKv0BlcmQcSgyzr1hWOP9yuB..RhGjLwNGXfaw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:28:07 -0800 (PST) From: chuspa Subject: Re: OT: Captain Beefheart Passing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1930098967-1292779687=:95488" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:28:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-1930098967-1292779687=:95488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks so much beefheart for be yourself luis prado --- On Sun, 19/12/10, Jim Goodin wrote: From: Jim Goodin Subject: Re: OT: Captain Beefheart Passing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Received: Sunday, 19 December, 2010, 6:14 PM Wow very sad news, love that line, don't know it. =A0We will miss you Capta= in... On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:57 AM, David Grego wrot= e: =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASorry Don (1941-2010). You will be missed.=A0 "Breaks my heart to see the highway past the hill"..... =09=09 =09 =09=09 =0A --=20 >From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & = Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 jimgoodinpeter= thorn.bandcamp.com. =0A www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-1930098967-1292779687=:95488 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks so much beefheart for be yourself
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luis prado

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From: Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Cap= tain Beefheart Passing
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Receiv= ed: Sunday, 19 December, 2010, 6:14 PM

Wow = very sad news, love that line, don't know it.  We will miss you Captai= n...

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=0A=0A=0A=0A   --0-1930098967-1292779687=:95488-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 17:31:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B41EB183461; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P6yyfH3xq_8A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=E8QCvxkqAAAA:20 a=hGZbnKzNEeSreHNpKs0A:9 a=blJIxfMWD0pG2oHQBAAYFoP-OJsA:4 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=x9MpJW0CUN8A:10 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:31:00 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Interesting. My pal Jeff is basically building me something with very similar =20 capabilities in MaxMSP. It'll basically be controlled by a Korg NanoKontrol and a bank of 4 CV =20= pedals. T On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:52 AM, Dustbunnies wrote: > =46rom Synthtopia: > > " This video is an epic dystopian future teaser for Elektron=92s new =20= > Octatrack > performance sampler...." > > http://is.gd/j05M4 > > Not much real content (technical or otherwise), but quite =20 > entertaining if a > little dark & morbid. I liked the random Blade Runner references (I =20= > caught > two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly there's a nod or three to =20= > Usual > Suspects in there also. > > --m. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 17:34:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D01B18345B; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cfhWA8r3LbwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=UA19Ao8kJf4Tvyh2fngA:9 a=dbADytO-BcPtxeoCYoHS5sk9N0gA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT: Captain Beefheart Passing Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:34:22 -0800 References: <770827.54981.qm@web59611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:34:25 +0000 (UTC) "The dust blows forward 'n dust blows back..." I cannot tell you how sad it made me feel to hear of Don's passing. There will never be another like him. On Dec 19, 2010, at 8:57 AM, David Grego wrote: > Sorry Don (1941-2010). You will be missed. > > "Breaks my heart to see the highway past the hill"..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 18:08:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 952A9183479; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c424a7fe-f513-4313-a465-8cbe9f5e2a69_" X-Originating-IP: [90.229.132.96] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... 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= --_c424a7fe-f513-4313-a465-8cbe9f5e2a69_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 18:09:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 344FA18347B; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 600347.2685.bm@omp1024.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292782187; bh=2o3gH2cOEI+dWIgtDsycls0J99AqgMrVtOL5tnb2HiY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ORNxS2FANcDFdsMTtDbUQguI2TTOJvlPaPYLyDFykJrKieqPFhgjdOfidghhc3/iXcqEkkzF+ry6pGez/fnmh5a9GqEMhwS9oQm+R2lwEzsE9nxZdnb/HtmrhaPE2tDxaJx+A8tehg4np0w8XbqqIxVnOE2LV4+lOv1FYTPvydM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NVAO/mCWyENJJt7UBzq6CQrYfdrXGHQA0FZ4RVPyEKTVvhnH4oFhWJlNeEMpa8helZ7VnUo1U3KYoRGRLT/UDUgRX/Hx7dT6/OzGEFjHOyAkbXUxQHSssWDXwSJc8S0K7Hzfaj1nm/UxSnxTAOXYcfkoLo3LGkP9vVEJ6RBD434=; Message-ID: <450185.99823.qm@web59609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: q2LIIS8VM1nOZrCmJJbA0EMRiPl8tPsXWL21bAQqqszUR6J HsD_odJR8znCJ0edu39MFqxunOyArfDGQlG4apADrGtkwK4g6rDXMWdTn5rp JqiHj2ZO5bsbR1N_bdSepjPt7ajxPfzMsQ9dh24Gkt_xwOLWzGQuh8klbiZI Ynriw1TLYWHAIpbxtg_N7iJwegFrx80dkEUXxk_cXuNFjJgwB78P13GVfhxE K.DzPgY8IVcHQExBKoMHfYYRTpewPn9lA9yctAIxj38.giN8Hlg5KAm89nRN 1TMtX9u1uCCDaMAn5C94DanCamOMJkaFtwPxWvax82yHg672g9A-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:09:47 -0800 (PST) From: chuspa Subject: Re: mobius basic tutorial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-556060964-1292782187=:99823" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:09:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-556060964-1292782187=:99823 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi per , it really helps me to start looping with mobius .... and nice flute tune! thanks luis prado --- On Sun, 19/12/10, Per Boysen wrote: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: mobius basic tutorial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Received: Sunday, 19 December, 2010, 8:38 AM Hi Luis, I posted a step for step tutorial with demo video at http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132 This uses Mobius and covers some techniques for using chord changes in live looping. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:02 AM, chuspa wrote: > > =A0Hi, does anybody know or have resume a basic mobius app. tutorial? > because of the complex manual, I will like to know the basic for use it > thanks > luis prado =0A=0A=0A --0-556060964-1292782187=:99823 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= /table>
=0A=0A=0A=0A   --0-556060964-1292782187=:99823-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 18:18:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C139E183457; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: OT: bundle up Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:18:23 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <7imBJB.A.8GF.3xkDNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:18:31 +0000 (UTC) I just saw some photos that a friend of a friend sent from Russia documenting the recent snowstorms and freakish weather there. Holy Shit!!!!!! I've heard from a couple of you about the weather being extreme in Europe but I had no idea. Is the rest of the continent taking the kind of hit that Russia is? Stay indoors, and fire up the loopers everyone..... Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 18:22:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B41D183461; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QNxhVTLgcwDWs/yhYa3ffAoXT14420FQXuGiNDI0/jM=; b=TS7XsUOb5dVwjYUMc0uFqWa3+5ehAQFriB3iweXYeWo0HS2rDxEs65jrezUyLPBUun Fh1w7Hbb24A+vqrCy4tdI2cQTwHsfWN0aodylttUBF6wAeZOdVfdN9T5mhOxbz+Tgumz 07s0cObmljif1C2sNckHpuOtcItL4ochVlOG4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PxsNMc8vjK9U6uDOHfYZu/P0h/bb9HSTCV0StkUMJb4ek5IZB6x6sHZpk5QwiGfuDL y3DtJQC0LCn06WxGYI40DIjzpj2N+6ALomjwYsrqSaCC6c1afGmmZzl1rCuXSlggMz9E ax8gIYNN0zy2IaGukbSpGybGGquej8DC7k5BM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:22:21 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:22:22 +0000 (UTC) How can something be so clever and so lame at the same time... (HInt: "marketing...") Seven odd minutes I'll not get back. http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > I'm a bit dissapointed that the Looping machine is not in the first > realase... however what=A0IS there is interesting enough.. > >> From: tedkillian@charter.net >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... >> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:31:00 -0800 >> >> Interesting. >> >> My pal Jeff is basically building me something with very similar >> capabilities in MaxMSP. >> >> It'll basically be controlled by a Korg NanoKontrol and a bank of 4 CV >> pedals. >> >> T >> >> >> On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:52 AM, Dustbunnies wrote: >> >> > From Synthtopia: >> > >> > " This video is an epic dystopian future teaser for Elektron=92s new >> > Octatrack >> > performance sampler...." >> > >> > http://is.gd/j05M4 >> > >> > Not much real content (technical or otherwise), but quite >> > entertaining if a >> > little dark & morbid. I liked the random Blade Runner references (I >> > caught >> > two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly there's a nod or three to >> > Usual >> > Suspects in there also. >> > >> > --m. >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 18:27:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AE5B183473; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tpPci0iM537Hgq8dU/dcwIrD113RXK5ylAZMX7K/a5Q=; b=ugA9X4CaD6sxIOsOr0IBWwyaSbaHr8swmCeQGvznvbnW/amvDCxis9FCVQ98oOjmq0 xcFo6QxA8ajORZt8UmCZxZ6S/5k+U9o41cp1HmaATYevHGvNdfoyrEv+HrYoGPCLOznU iC3AW3B9Xa9SQTZMrQ9Q6mm2zZEYhaMDtJDFE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vHajWWTqIlem8JaoowBZHgSODBcIh3apqd4+NjeVgbhDcAP2EnaDeTmFR+ld5w2La/ fUZRJXXft/c1ivMEEuQdB0Mq5yfNgFwVvyy1oOojkxlA1j6lf9+p/UOhme/OCcbAImGF aJ3TbZ/OLJgVQjM2qNWDI9HWUGx6MpWQ03GQQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <770827.54981.qm@web59611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:27:04 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mobius basic tutorial From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:27:06 +0000 (UTC) "...I don=92t mind a lot of machines adapting to my own playing though. That=92s sort of the point in using instruments =96 you express yourself through them and not the other way around..." (Nothing more need be said...) http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:38 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Luis, > > I posted a step for step tutorial with demo video at > http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132 > > This uses Mobius and covers some techniques for using chord changes in > live looping. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > > > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:02 AM, chuspa wrote: >> >> =A0Hi, does anybody know or have resume a basic mobius app. tutorial? >> because of the complex manual, I will like to know the basic for use it >> thanks >> luis prado > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 18:33:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C0B518347B; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yG20HsNhRA82mLWzJp3l0aESlpaC8Vxnprs92O6Lifk=; b=VFZgYYE1m2dkH7fPiOKZhqqlBhEmDXdhvaDMR+71mA2KRgETu6IG+4PUDE21SbO9DH xfBXTWShYCRSf8DwAw7CaHC8m++cgk+XMNz+ZAKN9jddQ66DIVJsQlzvSsGVFrbEzVHQ cuo3ePkwDgxK+Iq3jZiN/wKiJLUQbqE3DEDOQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tvOBo2AWa0hQqKO5tP60GkO6L3qZoAfbK2j1b2IVkmIlqG5WsFDIMCnUUV6fFO441S bHU+O0By+36foiJxmgqSs4t2oXxDHIYjMyJ/Umkc839Fyffr8zx7ZtELhWRrwOs/oXZk 2HAlnDRT5w0PNfP8gW434zx0I4Bf/cm+lJFYM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:33:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <7287SB.A.2pF.n_kDNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Bill, you've been living in SoCal too long..."Russia" used to be synonymous with the word "Winter." *GRIN (It's 40=B0 F here in Laramie, not a lot of snow on the ground, predictions of rain maybe turning to snow overnight, so yes, the weather IS getting strange...but there's no global warming!) http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:18 AM, William Walker w= rote: > I just saw =A0some photos that a friend of a friend sent from Russia > documenting =A0the recent snowstorms and freakish weather there. =A0Holy > Shit!!!!!! > =A0I've heard from a couple of you about the weather being extreme in Eur= ope > =A0but I had no idea. Is the rest of the continent taking the kind of hit= that > Russia is? > Stay indoors, and fire up the loopers everyone..... > Bill > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 19:21:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 252D0183461; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:21:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20101219173426.64827183473@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: meeetings with remarkable sounds Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:20:56 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcufowAU37xMAfQcTAiA16u+Q0DF6gADr+iQ In-Reply-To: <20101219173426.64827183473@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:21:02 +0000 (UTC) http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/meetings-with-remarkable-sounds 75 minutes of ambient and experimental improvised music by the duo "matebb&veloopity" which is my friend Matthias Ebbinghaus and me, recorded between 2001 and 2009. We are both very happy with this mix. FREE DOWNLOAD until end of December, so have fun and repost everywhere!! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 19:23:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 625FB18345B; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_776e03fb-53e2-4f85-8ad5-19116f7a5584_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT: bundle up Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:23:57 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2010 19:23:57.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[4811C3F0:01CB9FB2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:23:58 +0000 (UTC) --_776e03fb-53e2-4f85-8ad5-19116f7a5584_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah=2C The Uk's at a standstill - one flake and we're all off work - great= ! I've been sledging down a hillside all afternoon with icicles in my beard= ... peace G > From: billwalker@baymoon.com > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: bundle up > Date: Sun=2C 19 Dec 2010 10:18:23 -0800 >=20 > I just saw some photos that a friend of a friend sent from Russia =20 > documenting the recent snowstorms and freakish weather there. Holy =20 > Shit!!!!!! > I've heard from a couple of you about the weather being extreme in =20 > Europe but I had no idea. Is the rest of the continent taking the =20 > kind of hit that Russia is? > Stay indoors=2C and fire up the loopers everyone..... > Bill >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 = --_776e03fb-53e2-4f85-8ad5-19116f7a5584_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah=2C The Uk's at a standstill - one flake and we're all off work - great= ! I've been sledging down a hillside all afternoon with icicles in my beard= ...

peace

G

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>=3B <= br> = --_776e03fb-53e2-4f85-8ad5-19116f7a5584_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 20:37:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 141B6183461; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <770827.54981.qm@web59611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <78E1A902-742B-40DD-BA7D-90A873BF6B13@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: mobius basic tutorial Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:36:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - business.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Wow Per, that was great! I had't seen that before. =20 I've been rewriting the Mobius manual(s) over the past few months and = have uploaded some of them to the web site; www.circularlabs.com/newdoc They aren't done yet but you might find some useful information in them. = Warning though,=20 these are written for the 1.43 release which isn't finished yet. Many = little things have changed so the screen shots you see won't match what you see in 1.42. It is = pretty close though so I think it is worthwhile to read the installation guide (installation.htm) = or if you've already done a successful install read the GettingStarted With Mobius manual = (starting.htm). =20 Jeff On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Luis, >=20 > I posted a step for step tutorial with demo video at > http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132 >=20 > This uses Mobius and covers some techniques for using chord changes in > live looping. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:02 AM, chuspa wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, does anybody know or have resume a basic mobius app. tutorial? >> because of the complex manual, I will like to know the basic for use = it >> thanks >> luis prado >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 22:59:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5223518345B; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 22:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292799583; bh=lKXISlgDTBVEjRB2q4gh6Gjb9v4xTuqYLOfZSQ+8DMo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TP32OFZe2LkIqLhfWc/d+ecUiv7RfTKQH+MLrZ4i8EnxYJSj8takncyqjbKV07q8GPcZYZ8kPvn/v5pWBne3rG+KifRkxbuVx5n5HtXaGra1p2v9fB7k7OG/aZ+DlClDbFi+jUH25iqxEQURP222Jk68k/AfIxvUr1QRlhm6c28= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UW+gKn5/5wx2zab7KoUokPYdfTInxcctF8bnb8B3BIkCLSEc7siP4SNQ3ytSqWnI9DuzZ5Y1+VXHNlTedw/NXq0O2lX/ghqDVOt4lnvIjs8Rql6/yYBiFRogrBagnHWnkHzynhGyy5u7nINJMjcHq6jhQvLbNGj3M9PbiZmTlO4=; Message-ID: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UdLGF4kVM1nH9jOQzrRuyLXO27KpVxifEEsvOg126VHIPw1 dan054Zqni7RHYVGSnrw4P_lPDeYPM3.FJXRFihnhtCur_Y4ZH6qyg7D1R2I SUj5Is9CojjXDY4QwHERptCSO8.Mby_q1.eYup.CQcv9vVdWcTp8YtevaDWF n4.sObM11x9eO.1b_DJjesGk0R_Z1EcOPo2XSemJDEVx_0Scl1M0U0CDo8nE Xez0d3ML.nv3VR6rfA2qY6QldZVcTJgWRvgb5OvOi6FTI7GaftSuq8GajJ2P fNQE30Dt9Q36q.rc- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:59:43 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1719215554-1292799583=:12522" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 22:59:45 +0000 (UTC) --0-1719215554-1292799583=:12522 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it's a dog really:-)=0A=0AAntony=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________= _=0AFrom: Dustbunnies =0ATo: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com" =0ASent: Sun, December 19, 2010= 10:52:44 AM=0ASubject: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....=0A=0A= >From Synthtopia: =0A=0A" This video is an epic dystopian future teaser for = Elektron=B9s new Octatrack=0Aperformance sampler...."=0A=0A http:/= /is.gd/j05M4=0A=0ANot much real content (technical or otherwise), but quite= entertaining if a=0Alittle dark & morbid. I liked the random Blade Runner= references (I caught=0Atwo, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly there's = a nod or three to Usual=0ASuspects in there also.=0A=0A --m.=0A=0A=0A = --0-1719215554-1292799583=:12522 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
it's a dog really:-)

Antony

From: Dustbunnies <mech@m3ch.net>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 10:52:44 AM
Subject: Epic Octatrack Performance Samp= ler Teaser....

=0AFrom Synthtopia:

" This video is an= epic dystopian future teaser for Elektron=B9s new Octatrack
performance= sampler...."

          http://is.gd/j05M4

No= t much real content (technical or otherwise), but quite entertaining if alittle dark & morbid.  I liked the random Blade Runner reference= s (I caught
two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly there's a nod or = three to Usual
Suspects in there also.

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=0A= =0A --0-1719215554-1292799583=:12522-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 23:12:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B6A1183452; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:references:from:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=n4XvcQS6g9NRDZa4BT71h1aGrX5GUGSfv4yHlqwn/+E=; b=OgSeevIK4W/A7dcssmFD/lpOFSazHbiu+q2hMP6rnh7ia2rls3FlJJH2kQrp7HcEPe qqic7oeJMmwXlr6s/AypH33RWIw04vE0miXq7aeVhnmI0gqpQ36brac6pBrvVXLi0dSF XTlioYpiiWB9xyUHad/CPGVrFRP/0x6F69Y/I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=nTK4SOy/r2IwMkyRj1TYO9RPKXbwqwvlewzzpcffXNyZcPOdxCyC44xCdP5SdXZ6Wr suZNH2g1ib7Vv6OOnYOByzJLPTIcFp+jE8Ahk2l0ni+XR382gxgUaTqOnO8uh3yGEtQ9 6hACcw8NQNhZWnzIkyhYQ7LtfXrBZQBw8SXEA= References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:13:02 +0100 Message-ID: <-1103068348126867212@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8fa21285f40497cb8b65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:12:55 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8fa21285f40497cb8b65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 19 Dec 2010, at 23:59, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: it's a dog really:-) Antony ------------------------------ *From:* Dustbunnies *To:* "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" < Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> *Sent:* Sun, December 19, 2010 10:52:44 AM *Subject:* Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... >From Synthtopia: " This video is an epic dystopian future teaser for Elektron=B9s new Octatr= ack performance sampler...." http://is.gd/j05M4 Not much real content (technical or otherwise), but quite entertaining if a little dark & morbid. I liked the random Blade Runner references (I caught two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly there's a nod or three to Usual Suspects in there also. --m. --90e6ba6e8fa21285f40497cb8b65 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Sent from my (advertisement re= moved)

On 19 Dec 2010, at 23:59, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote:

it's a dog really:-)

Antony

From: Dustbunnies <mech@m3ch.net>
To:= "Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Sun, December 19, 20= 10 10:52:44 AM
Subject:= Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....

>From Synthtopia:

" This video is an epic dystopian future teas= er for Elektron=B9s new Octatrack
performance sampler...."

<= span>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <= a href=3D"http://is.gd/j05M4">http://is.gd/j05M4

Not much real content (technical or otherwise), but quite entertaining = if a
little dark & morbid.=A0 I liked the random Blade Runner refere= nces (I caught
two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly there's a = nod or three to Usual
Suspects in there also.

=A0 =A0 --m.



--90e6ba6e8fa21285f40497cb8b65-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 23:30:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D0C3183461; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:references:from:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=YSmOGYiPQgjnYQihqEZlSTqIyPy6PO4JLbKcQIjP07k=; b=cOMaCSX+QdIcAG0VaRcZdM2OpaExoRh22fWtGmm1VlHLCZfc101B0WG4HMk2cKZtIM u42XCVE5HomVyZQIDYiKxD4o2UpAmRGXEcvLhWOEs3wgDgtQGIvd6jT4t2GvAUQH1Med Ngk17x6SddT+hLQw9tAUhFfQuf9KW/IdR0QCU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=wL8BF9Qi7JX59AiVU+y8s46mBGh5jyp2ovKy9XKVfWuiBIxB/uLrR+VT0ilKtwCqKR PDwZdQIobOAsX68epAi3YuPrsuzXYfBOb3EMZOIoF8yJutD6aizwlErL+eWR7pMOMCWM 7CXifhjsZLjwrOMSrioy71+ueBxsJzs/GVzN8= References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:30:47 +0100 Message-ID: <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8f3a8ea47e0497cbcaca Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:30:40 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8f3a8ea47e0497cbcaca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't understand.. It's a dog? What does that mean? To be honest I'm amazed they went to so much expense to produce this ad, nice as it was, yet at no place did they demonstrate any features.... Why are you so down on it Dennis, is there some specs out there... I'd like to read.. I love this companies former products and expect good stuff... Anders.. Do you have som= e infi,,, guess i better check thr site... Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 19 Dec 2010, at 23:59, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: it's a dog really:-) Antony ------------------------------ *From:* Dustbunnies *To:* "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" < Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> *Sent:* Sun, December 19, 2010 10:52:44 AM *Subject:* Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... >From Synthtopia: " This video is an epic dystopian future teaser for Elektron=B9s new Octatr= ack performance sampler...." http://is.gd/j05M4 Not much real content (technical or otherwise), but quite entertaining if a little dark & morbid. I liked the random Blade Runner references (I caught two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly there's a nod or three to Usual Suspects in there also. --m. --90e6ba6e8f3a8ea47e0497cbcaca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't understand.. It's a do= g? What does that mean? To be honest I'm amazed they went to so much ex= pense to produce this ad, nice as it was, yet at no place did they demonstr= ate any features.... Why are you so down on it Dennis, is there some specs = out there... I'd like to read.. I love this companies former products a= nd expect good stuff... Anders.. Do you have some infi,,, guess i better ch= eck thr site...

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 19 Dec 2010, at 2= 3:59, antonyhequet@yahoo.com = wrote:

it's a dog really:-)

Antony

From: Dustbunnies <mech@m3ch.net>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com>
Sent: Sun, December 19, 20= 10 10:52:44 AM
Subject:= Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....

>From Synthtopia:

" This video is an epic dystopian future teas= er for Elektron=B9s new Octatrack
performance sampler...."

<= span>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <= a href=3D"http://is.gd/j05M4">http://is.gd/j05M4

Not much real content (technical or otherwise), but quite entertaining = if a
little dark & morbid.=A0 I liked the random Blade Runner refere= nces (I caught
two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly there's a = nod or three to Usual
Suspects in there also.

=A0 =A0 --m.



--90e6ba6e8f3a8ea47e0497cbcaca-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 19 23:35:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7723183466; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:references:from:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=dgRsYX2BwhPf7yvvhgV6RKC0GvYK5verZ76Ku3mY1to=; b=mt6V0HndYcJnsadIykjkXg8XWxH5Ho/35ueAW2kQDzeEzKebAvkq+4m7tnHM+3V2gq oh8/N2w2a1DepiN0Dra5Tjcfc48jZ8UgQY7dCuYLuEVqN6kINgP3M1p8w+PUD1NxjT1T SuR+yyOVsR0u0Ep69+1wBDif9uL/2OTDO9f2k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=s4lr4sfNGOzphZYRPS4XR5sHR5rAA+0StVXqWLVKyErf3WVWtIwa2sRZ4YtjVRMR/m oxqhQEGl67WPpvxZxCZsUijiU0VKMZh3y6nUsSh2mEpYmFJs8fMjCpFQa58V+ND1A7+S Im7Ob1f3gxb06TDY24qv/sRPuIonRV3MrPBfQ= References: From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:35:44 +0100 Message-ID: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: OT: bundle up To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 19 Dec 2010, at 20:24, Gareth Whittock wrote: > great! I've been sledging down a hillside all afternoon Me too!!! I guess we're a bit more used to snow than the UK here in Norway.. Its - 12C today bit chilly, not too 'orrible tho.. M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 00:01:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CD4E183461; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IFKQfSfmJEqifmkaEeKV0abRD8hlYm6TZX456LpFSWk=; b=RRTee/H01txIgzM9Q+RzjeleAggdXctMKJH5KXciYOUHtoBka3j28IU6sk9znuHDIW +KIrUw1X+aZJ7TFEknzLiqofn20nkImNNE6u01RgxJqV1qw41mJHstrKwl0aWjyuzUk+ QmGKBSCrT22SqNMakBBo9QrpbRN1BliP+0oMc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ldu759RV4mJnf0THPCiW/cdptx3pTjunoHM2uu3wE7Y7LY5q32wu5kabatotSDkGX8 umrLTBw8kt2AyKfgClyANe004WWuJuVb9N7Zf6BdMbTwo1vrXnq7CdSPU7ilwcXKiDQ8 5EHnfBUuifsUBF7Mj/fGazIYa03MqWU0e7wVM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:01:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Glad you enjoy the Kool-Aid, Mark... http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:30 PM, mark francombe w= rote: > I don't understand.. It's a dog? What does that mean? To be honest I'm > amazed they went to so much expense to produce this ad, nice as it was, y= et > at no place did they demonstrate any features.... Why are you so down on = it > Dennis, is there some specs out there... I'd like to read.. I love this > companies former products and expect good stuff... Anders.. Do you have s= ome > infi,,, guess i better check thr site... > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > On 19 Dec 2010, at 23:59, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: > > it's a dog really:-) > Antony > ________________________________ > From: Dustbunnies > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 10:52:44 AM > Subject: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... > > From Synthtopia: > > " This video is an epic dystopian future teaser for Elektron=B9s new Octa= track > performance sampler...." > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 http://is.gd/j05M4 > > Not much real content (technical or otherwise), but quite entertaining if= a > little dark & morbid.=A0 I liked the random Blade Runner references (I ca= ught > two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly there's a nod or three to Usua= l > Suspects in there also. > > =A0 =A0 --m. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 00:21:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7565183461; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:21:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292804461; bh=TXjGT7YUOFfGyyUkizKjjtKrqG72tVu84AZYOP7Fryo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4dzs+kXsUpt9SII3fKV2xy0D2WvjKpV5H4R8YUz6105oryt30J3RXUyUBRrpRVsx07jXskoCBa7mfFHCF2Mb/O9hMsBkeQnKza8/X/sWTs//IJXIwlqiZhaDbtvPWkbIDGXpAOlXg/DMVzWK2Xy+Qizk6kaR2EoOVMhrfvs9GvA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xxJo5FMl3yqiBNKcfFKuyqqgJDPVTBmKWkAooI/mLEDmVxDoS2LmD7YkyL81B3OoD1hdYhwqsWvwjZCWq0FzAKjc05I6E0ADyCwrWGqysFwXyVktxjRP3l2v9E9J/zfgZ1t6vCSRi0t0nTb1kiP6vvikHJGms5o8BW3d0+GGWNc=; Message-ID: <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Qdmgh34VM1niBVU0dsularGtoeoQV7vQsLvj6U.WugTzyA6 tGou6GFj5ZeNp41QtowhWerhEqQeOUN8pJnX.4cujKGmDM__01YUe.CRXJo_ CNfNIvaxUJKCgpfSpD6ZOP8GWLd4JO8QIOGFo1i5aptuKhrEEG8szwBdZErL UgVl2RJE1bk2N1_gJihhtASa_BFIqPFFhmF74iP__cfnN8309x6bZC48DvXg B6z8z0qfvskMLB.idoZuwfAueKxh42bAizS1Z3PAGqZxupOABJSVoTUx0cSa 2feIn4cz812ERAhB7MGCQ X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:21:01 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-197621925-1292804461=:82124" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:21:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-197621925-1292804461=:82124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I find the whole tone of it ridiculous. We are now so zombied out by these = =0Ahyped, aggressive, pseudo spy, shoot em down, breake'm, "movies3, that w= e find =0Ait normal that a machine made for music shold be portrayed as dan= gerous and =0Atreacherous weapon. This is supposed to be funny, we should g= et off on it?=0AIt shows how much brain damage has been done to us: people = on this list who are =0Ausually pretty witty and exercise their sense of h= umor look at this clip half =0Aseriously and find it OK, aside from the fac= t that the clip says nothing about =0Aspeccs.=0A=0Ahey wake up, this movie = is boring and silly=0A=0AAntony=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________= =0AFrom: Dennis Moser =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=0ASent: Mon, December 20, 2010 1:01:16 AM=0ASubject: Re: Epi= c Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....=0A=0AGlad you enjoy the Kool-Aid= , Mark...=0A=0Ahttp://soundcloud.com/usrsbin=0Ahttp://audiozoloft.com=0Ahtt= p://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:30 PM, ma= rk francombe wrote:=0A> I don't understand.. It's= a dog? What does that mean? To be honest I'm=0A> amazed they went to so mu= ch expense to produce this ad, nice as it was, yet=0A> at no place did they= demonstrate any features.... Why are you so down on it=0A> Dennis, is ther= e some specs out there... I'd like to read.. I love this=0A> companies form= er products and expect good stuff... Anders.. Do you have some=0A> infi,,, = guess i better check thr site...=0A>=0A> Sent from my (advertisement remove= d)=0A> On 19 Dec 2010, at 23:59, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote:=0A>=0A> it's= a dog really:-)=0A> Antony=0A> ________________________________=0A> From: = Dustbunnies =0A> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"= =0A> =0A> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010= 10:52:44 AM=0A> Subject: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....=0A>= =0A> From Synthtopia:=0A>=0A> " This video is an epic dystopian future teas= er for Elektron=B9s new Octatrack=0A> performance sampler...."=0A>=0A> = http://is.gd/j05M4=0A>=0A> Not much real content (technical or otherw= ise), but quite entertaining if a=0A> little dark & morbid. I liked the ra= ndom Blade Runner references (I caught=0A> two, perhaps three, myself) and = supposedly there's a nod or three to Usual=0A> Suspects in there also.=0A>= =0A> --m.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A --0-197621925-1292804461=:82124 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I find the whole tone of it ridiculous. We are now so zombied out= by these hyped, aggressive, pseudo spy, shoot em down, breake'm, "movies3,= that we find it normal that a machine made for music shold be portrayed as= dangerous and treacherous weapon. This is supposed to be funny, we should = get off on it?
It shows how much brain damage has been done to us= : people on this list who are usually pretty witty  and exercise their= sense of humor look at this clip half seriously and find it OK, aside from= the fact that the clip says nothing about speccs.

hey wake up, this movie is boring and silly

Anton= y

From: Dennis Moser <si= nsofmachaut@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 1:01:16 AM
Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performanc= e Sampler Teaser....

=0AGlad you enjoy the Kool-Aid, Mark...<= br>
ht= tp://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsb= in.angrek.com/



On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:30 PM, m= ark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
>= I don't understand.. It's a dog? What does that mean? To be honest I'm
= > amazed they went to so much expense to produce this ad, nice as it was= , yet
> at no place did they demonstrate any features.... Why are you= so down on it
> Dennis, is there some specs out there... I'd like to= read.. I love this
> companies former products and expect good stuff= ... Anders.. Do you have some
> infi,,, guess i better check thr site...
>
> Sent from my (advertiseme= nt removed)
> On 19 Dec 2010, at 23:59, antonyhequet@yahoo.c= om wrote:
>
> it's a dog really:-)
> Antony
> _= _______________________________
> From: Dustbunnies <mech@m3ch.net><= br>> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com"
> <Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 10:52:44= AM
> Subject: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....
><= br>> From Synthtopia:
>
> " This video is an epic dystopian = future teaser for Elektron=B9s new Octatrack
> performance sampler...."
= >
>           http://is.gd/j05M4
>
> N= ot much real content (technical or otherwise), but quite entertaining if a<= br>> little dark & morbid.  I liked the random Blade Runner ref= erences (I caught
> two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly there'= s a nod or three to Usual
> Suspects in there also.
>
> &= nbsp;   --m.
>
>
>
>

=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A --0-197621925-1292804461=:82124-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 00:37:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 199A5183461; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jeff Larson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-965602507 In-Reply-To: <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <90344F55-F826-4B05-A3AD-A34FC54C4F35@zonemobius.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:36:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - business.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:37:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-965602507 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When that cat starts playing the keyboard it cracks me up every time! Jeff On Dec 19, 2010, at 6:21 PM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: > I find the whole tone of it ridiculous. We are now so zombied out by = these hyped, aggressive, pseudo spy, shoot em down, breake'm, "movies3, = that we find it normal that a machine made for music shold be portrayed = as dangerous and treacherous weapon. This is supposed to be funny, we = should get off on it? > It shows how much brain damage has been done to us: people on this = list who are usually pretty witty and exercise their sense of humor = look at this clip half seriously and find it OK, aside from the fact = that the clip says nothing about speccs. >=20 > hey wake up, this movie is boring and silly >=20 > Antony --Apple-Mail-4-965602507 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
When that cat starts playing the keyboard it = cracks me up every = time!

Jeff


On = Dec 19, 2010, at 6:21 PM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com = wrote:

I find the whole tone of it ridiculous. We are = now so zombied out by these hyped, aggressive, pseudo spy, shoot em = down, breake'm, "movies3, that we find it normal that a machine made for = music shold be portrayed as dangerous and treacherous weapon. This is = supposed to be funny, we should get off on it?
It shows how much brain damage has been done to us: = people on this list who are usually pretty witty  and exercise = their sense of humor look at this clip half seriously and find it OK, = aside from the fact that the clip says nothing about speccs.

hey wake up, = this movie is boring and silly
find it normal that a machine made for music shold be portrayed as danger= ous > and treacherous weapon. This is supposed to be funny, we should get off o= n > it? > It shows how much brain damage has been done to us: people on this list w= ho > are usually pretty witty =A0and exercise their sense of humor look at thi= s > clip half seriously and find it OK, aside from the fact that the clip say= s > nothing about speccs. > hey wake up, this movie is boring and silly > Antony > ________________________________ > From: Dennis Moser > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 1:01:16 AM > Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... > > Glad you enjoy the Kool-Aid, Mark... > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:30 PM, mark francombe > wrote: >> I don't understand.. It's a dog? What does that mean? To be honest I'm >> amazed they went to so much expense to produce this ad, nice as it was, >> yet >> at no place did they demonstrate any features.... Why are you so down on >> it >> Dennis, is there some specs out there... I'd like to read.. I love this >> companies former products and expect good stuff... Anders.. Do you have >> some >> infi,,, guess i better check thr site... >> >> Sent from my (advertisement removed) >> On 19 Dec 2010, at 23:59, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> it's a dog really:-) >> Antony >> ________________________________ >> From: Dustbunnies >> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" >> >> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 10:52:44 AM >> Subject: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... >> >> From Synthtopia: >> >> " This video is an epic dystopian future teaser for Elektron=B9s new >> Octatrack >> performance sampler...." >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 http://is.gd/j05M4 >> >> Not much real content (technical or otherwise), but quite entertaining i= f >> a >> little dark & morbid.=A0 I liked the random Blade Runner references (I >> caught >> two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly there's a nod or three to Usu= al >> Suspects in there also. >> >> =A0 =A0 --m. >> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 06:04:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBDBA183459; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:references:from:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=E+Ykoar5Gdno9kw0iJxbyRsn6HiA+ar+Z2H/iMha5cU=; b=b8e9qLdFIQ0qS6SCFtVjroLGR+GuKbcnYKKcZZ2vNRIRl+ooC6ul1/9YxS7h097m5d fbW0g3iPUB0eOvOfW1x9rZIxB7042noQ+1gLm+jn7++MMu77zi9yl6eLwT3kqb8GgOcC SNEcKxD0tyJEbRWvfNgHc4NfrVMkjq1F1K2zU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=mQO2urN8Lo4lbA7v9hnfAo2CtnQGXhL4FzvxI/6N+7MHf6tBIagYQa88RnJLDYXmF2 yytcalsTlarNHwLZoVAY7/k6VBiXunlS2ooiy/SgOPB4dxQWDQTDno4waS5tt8kQTN1I KyQA00ZVbfMHDucFrL4d26jJePFgQqxfBA2mE= References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:05:04 +0100 Message-ID: <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549fd19c8db50497d14cd2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:04:57 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30549fd19c8db50497d14cd2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its irony mate... The fact that it references at least 6 different films maybe more... Its beatifully shot, very well made, thats what i mean by Nic= e btw, (my day job is being a filmaker) i didn't say i loved it or anything. It was a critical post...I merely wondered where people on the list got they're info. Infact, probably my biggest critisism would be that for a music machine tha= t they are claiming is so revolutionary, how come the music sucks, Ive only heard some 3rd rate big beat done on it. Maybe it is that crap? But we dont know do we? No specs!! On this this list Antony its more normal practice to veil ones insults in clever layers of subtlty. Try and avoid calling me braindead straight out , save the crassness for youTube... M Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 20 Dec 2010, at 01:21, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: I find the whole tone of it ridiculous. We are now so zombied out by these hyped, aggressive, pseudo spy, shoot em down, breake'm, "movies3, that we find it normal that a machine made for music shold be portrayed as dangerou= s and treacherous weapon. This is supposed to be funny, we should get off on it? It shows how much brain damage has been done to us: people on this list who are usually pretty witty and exercise their sense of humor look at this clip half seriously and find it OK, aside from the fact that the clip says nothing about speccs. hey wake up, this movie is boring and silly Antony ------------------------------ *From:* Dennis Moser *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com *Sent:* Mon, December 20, 2010 1:01:16 AM *Subject:* Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Glad you enjoy the Kool-Aid, Mark... http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:30 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I don't understand.. It's a dog? What does that mean? To be honest I'm > amazed they went to so much expense to produce this ad, nice as it was, yet > at no place did they demonstrate any features.... Why are you so down on it > Dennis, is there some specs out there... I'd like to read.. I love this > companies former products and expect good stuff... Anders.. Do you have some > infi,,, guess i better check thr site... > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > On 19 Dec 2010, at 23:59, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: > > it's a dog really:-) > Antony > ________________________________ > From: Dustbunnies > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 10:52:44 AM > Subject: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... > > From Synthtopia: > > " This video is an epic dystopian future teaser for Elektron=B9s new Octatrack > performance sampler...." > > http://is.gd/j05M4 > > Not much real content (technical or otherwise), but quite entertaining if a > little dark & morbid. I liked the random Blade Runner references (I caught > two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly there's a nod or three to Usua= l > Suspects in there also. > > --m. > > > > --20cf30549fd19c8db50497d14cd2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Its irony mate... The fact that it ref= erences at least 6 different films maybe more... Its beatifully shot, very = well made, thats what i mean by Nice btw, (my day job is being a filmaker) = i didn't say i loved it or anything. It was a critical post...I merely = wondered where people on the list got they're info.=A0

Infact, probably my biggest critisism would be that for= a music machine that they are claiming is so revolutionary, how come the m= usic sucks, Ive only heard some 3rd rate big beat done on it. Maybe it is t= hat crap? But we dont know do we? No specs!!

On this this list Antony its more normal practice to ve= il ones insults in clever layers of subtlty. Try and avoid calling me brain= dead straight out , save the crassness=A0for youTube...


M



Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 20 Dec 2010, at 01:= 21, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wr= ote:

I find the whole tone = of it ridiculous. We are now so zombied out by these hyped, aggressive, pse= udo spy, shoot em down, breake'm, "movies3, that we find it normal= that a machine made for music shold be portrayed as dangerous and treacher= ous weapon. This is supposed to be funny, we should get off on it?
It shows how much brain damage has been done to us: people on this lis= t who are usually pretty witty =A0and exercise their sense of humor look at= this clip half seriously and find it OK, aside from the fact that the clip= says nothing about speccs.

hey wake up, this movie is boring and silly
<= br>
Antony

From: Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 20= 10 1:01:16 AM
Subject: = Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....

Glad you enjoy the Kool-Aid, Mark...

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http:/= /audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/



On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:30 PM, mark francombe <= ;markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't understand.. It's a dog? What does that mean? To be ho= nest I'm
> amazed they went to so much expense to produce this ad= , nice as it was, yet
> at no place did they demonstrate any features= .... Why are you so down on it
> Dennis, is there some specs out there... I'd like to read.. I love= this
> companies former products and expect good stuff... Anders.. D= o you have some
> infi,,, guess i better check thr site...
>
> Sent from my (advertiseme= nt removed)
> On 19 Dec 2010, at 23:59, antonyhequet@yahoo.c= om wrote:
>
> it's a dog really:-)
> Antony
> ______________= __________________
> From: Dustbunnies <mech@m3ch.net>
> T= o: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com"
> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com>
> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 10:52:44 AM
> S= ubject: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....
>
> From Synthtopia:
>
> " This video is an epic = dystopian future teaser for Elektron=B9s new Octatrack
> performance sampler...."= ;
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 http://is.gd/j05M4=
>
> Not much real content (technical or otherwise), but quite entertaining= if a
> little dark & morbid.=A0 I liked the random Blade Runner = references (I caught
> two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly the= re's a nod or three to Usual
> Suspects in there also.
>
> =A0 =A0 --m.
>
>>
>


--20cf30549fd19c8db50497d14cd2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 08:27:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76C8418345A; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292833670; bh=jbwXMzD0NKDeIs5MJ+4SCLeTNqYouyVt4BViCxCKnUE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YWkQjukgCCTH8PuTUbEQtN2uhKYAVVbb+x90YYQhtxU7NWXxapJWF9pct4RhWVbjZYUATq1dcX23NMnXWeIo+kwCD49YQVoDcHRrxNrYO7vUdIkG/nOjGMLkjiUuDcLq6IGupCKFQj7xwYPSez8bK3OWsiY+81lopHhhFslnVKI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uavbi6lDJTM/FwPnRe8yW3zvAGF2GyTBGZsSSoMw42Sn569mZEephFgLTK08J5Xgv+mIPQZOHb1OxgknMzd9H5S3ydFmYjLRQDfSW3xWiuSDxXUNBdzadHK2iyk0rU196Z2Ti30PWyC6WmDi5vhNrpKXdzDcv271fu+xxfUJKlc=; Message-ID: <630088.81928.qm@web120712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: NGI7i0sVM1ndvZCjPCZ6YjWPCDKqLC6T3idgJp15ik1OXV8 TtPX8bWRmK41oHP8N1nKEMhnZnUR5LcH.CfjDu2tVsY6dvxyUoff2VEeRMPq VB84RsKkxtTnzbYrCzIxpSh4cemNOdmJQNmRuH_AifiegHMJRSdcPavj5lqo xgS1cv7OFcSNpc3lNk4JV7Y8S_sG7xRNoo2GEgMPLXKkUEEdiQujoPaXumlG J4lp0JGRgWE5w7.AsRTTc17HocWRzEnqnE0pVjCWA8R_9FjbKkzJvLeVo__f QjEQrzoyhaBLbkawS.TjD X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:27:50 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-82314911-1292833670=:81928" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:27:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-82314911-1292833670=:81928 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am happy to hear that it is irony. =0A=0Ai know my tone was more bitting = than it usually is, but you will also notice =0Athat i included myself in t= he lot.=0Amy point was not to be crass or call anybody brain dead but to aw= aken our =0Acritical sense, as a community. Of course the movie is well mad= e, it is full of =0Areferences, but what does it talk about? Why all the vi= olence: brain pouring out =0Aof ears and such, threats of torture; what is = the point... why do we accept this =0Aas mainstream movie content=0A=0AYeah= , the music is not of the highest quality (was that better as far as veilin= g =0Agoes:-))=0A=0AIn fact, you made a big point, it really shows how off t= arget the whole film =0Areally is: clever, flashy, well made, appealing in = a morbid contemporary =0Afashion, but bad music, no information and no real= content.=0A=0ABy the way, I am sure this machine is going to be a great to= ol, once the bugs =0Aare ironed out, and once the software is pretty comple= te.=0A=0AAnd my apologies for not making myself understood, I am not callin= g anyone here =0Abrain dead. Quite the contrary, I am trying to convey the = following : ye who =0Astill have preserved your wits in the midst of all th= is misinformation, =0Aover-information and noise, don't you think this film= is offending your =0Aintelligence and dulling your empathy...=0A=0AAntony= =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: mark francombe =0ATo: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0ASent: Mon, December 20, 2010 7:05:04 AM=0ASubje= ct: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....=0A=0A=0AIts irony mat= e... The fact that it references at least 6 different films maybe =0Amore..= . Its beatifully shot, very well made, thats what i mean by Nice btw, (my = =0Aday job is being a filmaker) i didn't say i loved it or anything. It was= a =0Acritical post...I merely wondered where people on the list got they'r= e info. =0A=0AInfact, probably my biggest critisism would be that for a mus= ic machine that =0Athey are claiming is so revolutionary, how come the musi= c sucks, Ive only heard =0Asome 3rd rate big beat done on it. Maybe it is t= hat crap? But we dont know do =0Awe? No specs!!=0A=0AOn this this list Anto= ny its more normal practice to veil ones insults in clever =0Alayers of sub= tlty. Try and avoid calling me braindead straight out , save the =0Acrassne= ss for youTube...=0A=0A=0AM=0A=0A=0A=0ASent from my (advertisement removed)= =0A=0AOn 20 Dec 2010, at 01:21, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote:=0A=0A=0AI fin= d the whole tone of it ridiculous. We are now so zombied out by these =0Ahy= ped, aggressive, pseudo spy, shoot em down, breake'm, "movies3, that we fin= d =0Ait normal that a machine made for music shold be portrayed as dangerou= s and =0Atreacherous weapon. This is supposed to be funny, we should get of= f on it?=0A>It shows how much brain damage has been done to us: people on t= his list who are =0A>usually pretty witty and exercise their sense of humo= r look at this clip half =0A>seriously and find it OK, aside from the fact = that the clip says nothing about =0A>speccs.=0A>=0A>=0A>hey wake up, this m= ovie is boring and silly=0A>=0A>=0A>Antony=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A__________________= ______________=0AFrom: Dennis Moser =0A>To: Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A>Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 1:01:16 AM=0A= >Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....=0A>=0A>Glad you= enjoy the Kool-Aid, Mark...=0A>=0A>http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin=0A>http:/= /audiozoloft.com=0A>http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Sun, = Dec 19, 2010 at 4:30 PM, mark francombe =0Awrote:= =0A>> I don't understand.. It's a dog? What does that mean? To be honest I'= m=0A>> amazed they went to so much expense to produce this ad, nice as it w= as, yet=0A>> at no place did they demonstrate any features.... Why are you = so down on it=0A>> Dennis, is there some specs out there... I'd like to rea= d.. I love this=0A>> companies former products and expect good stuff... And= ers.. Do you have some=0A>> infi,,, guess i better check thr site...=0A>>= =0A>> Sent from my (advertisement removed)=0A>> On 19 Dec 2010, at 23:59, a= ntonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote:=0A>>=0A>> it's a dog really:-)=0A>> Antony=0A>= > ________________________________=0A>> From: Dustbunnies = =0A>> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=0A>> =0A>> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 10:52:44 AM=0A>> Subject:= Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....=0A>>=0A>> From Synthtopia:= =0A>>=0A>> " This video is an epic dystopian future teaser for Elektron=B9= s new Octatrack=0A>> performance sampler...."=0A>>=0A>> http://is= .gd/j05M4=0A>>=0A>> Not much real content (technical or otherwise), but qui= te entertaining if a=0A>> little dark & morbid. I liked the random Blade R= unner references (I caught=0A>> two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly = there's a nod or three to Usual=0A>> Suspects in there also.=0A>>=0A>> = --m.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A --0-82314911-1292833670=:81928 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am happy to hear that it is irony. 

i know my tone was more bitting than it usually is, but you will also no= tice that i included myself in the lot.
my point was not to be cr= ass or call anybody brain dead but to awaken our critical sense, as a commu= nity. Of course the movie is well made, it is full of references, but what = does it talk about? Why all the violence: brain pouring out of ears and suc= h, threats of torture; what is the point... why do we accept this as mainst= ream movie content

Yeah, the music is not of the h= ighest quality (was that better as far as veiling goes:-))

In fact, you made a big point, it really shows how off target the = whole film really is: clever, flashy, well made, appealing in a morbid contemporary fashion, but bad music, no information and no real content.

By the way, I am sure this machine is going to be a= great tool, once the bugs are ironed out, and once the software is pretty = complete.

And my apologies for not making myself u= nderstood, I am not calling anyone here brain dead. Quite the contrary, I a= m trying to convey the following : ye who still have preserved your wits in= the midst of all this misinformation, over-information and noise, don't yo= u think this film is offending your intelligence and dulling your empathy..= .

Antony

From: m= ark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-De= light@loopers-delight.com>
Sent= : Mon, December 20, 2010 7:05:04 AM
Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Tea= ser....

=0A
Its irony mate... The fact that it references= at least 6 different films maybe more... Its beatifully shot, very well ma= de, thats what i mean by Nice btw, (my day job is being a filmaker) i didn'= t say i loved it or anything. It was a critical post...I merely wondered wh= ere people on the list got they're info. 
=0A

= Infact, probably my biggest critisism would be that for a music machine tha= t they are claiming is so revolutionary, how come the music sucks, Ive only= heard some 3rd rate big beat done on it. Maybe it is that crap? But we don= t know do we? No specs!!
=0A

On this this list Anto= ny its more normal practice to veil ones insults in clever layers of subtlt= y. Try and avoid calling me braindead straight out , save the crassness&nbs= p;for youTube...

=0A

M


Sent from my (advertisement remov= ed)

On 20 Dec 2010, at 01:21, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote:
=0A
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
I find the whole tone of it ridiculous. We = are now so zombied out by these hyped, aggressive, pseudo spy, shoot em dow= n, breake'm, "movies3, that we find it normal that a machine made for music= shold be portrayed as dangerous and treacherous weapon. This is supposed t= o be funny, we should get off on it?
=0A
It shows how much brain d= amage has been done to us: people on this list who are usually pretty witty=  and exercise their sense of humor look at this clip half seriously a= nd find it OK, aside from the fact that the clip says nothing about speccs.=
=0A

hey wake up, this movie is boring and silly

Antony

From: Dennis Moser &= lt;sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com
=0ASent:= Mon, December 20, 2010 1:01:16 AM
Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....
=0AGlad you enjoy the Kool-Aid, Mark...

http://= soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
= =0Ahttp://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/



On S= un, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:30 PM, mark francombe <markfr= ancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
=0A> I don't understand.. It's a dog= ? What does that mean? To be honest I'm
> amazed they went to so much= expense to produce this ad, nice as it was, yet
> at no place did th= ey demonstrate any features.... Why are you so down on it
=0A> Dennis= , is there some specs out there... I'd like to read.. I love this
> c= ompanies former products and expect good stuff... Anders.. Do you have some=
> infi,,,=0A guess i better check thr site...
>
> Sent f= rom my (advertisement removed)
> On 19 Dec 2010, at 23:59, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote:
=0A>
> it's a dog rea= lly:-)
> Antony
> ________________________________
> From= : Dustbunnies <m= ech@m3ch.net>
> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
=0A= > <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Sun, December = 19, 2010 10:52:44 AM
> Subject: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Te= aser....
=0A>
> From Synthtopia:
>
> " This video i= s an epic dystopian future=0A teaser for Elektron=B9s new Octatrack
>= performance sampler...."
>
>        =   h= ttp://is.gd/j05M4
>
=0A> Not much real content (tech= nical or otherwise), but quite entertaining if a
> little dark & = morbid.  I liked the random Blade Runner references (I caught
> = two, perhaps three, myself) and supposedly there's a nod or three to Usual<= br>=0A> Suspects in there also.
>
>     --m.
&g= t;
>
>
>

=0A=0A= =0A

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=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-82314911-1292833670=:81928-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 08:42:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F203183459; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_037b31e1-108c-4081-b05a-7d99c84467d7_" X-Originating-IP: [90.229.132.96] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:16 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> ,<916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2010 08:42:16.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE1293C0:01CBA021] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:18 +0000 (UTC) --_037b31e1-108c-4081-b05a-7d99c84467d7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Specs: Internal tracks | Real-time time stretch and pitch shift | 8 recorders | 16= instantly available banks | 256 instantly available patterns | 64 step var= iable length tracks |2 FX blocks per track | 3 LFOs per track | 3 year Elek= tron Warranty http://www.elektron.se/sites/default/files/products/files/Octratrack-Specs.= pdf =20 =20 Lots of info:=A8 http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack =20 Anders =20 From: markfrancombe@gmail.com Date: Mon=2C 20 Dec 2010 07:05:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Its irony mate... The fact that it references at least 6 different films ma= ybe more... Its beatifully shot=2C very well made=2C thats what i mean by N= ice btw=2C (my day job is being a filmaker) i didn't say i loved it or anyt= hing. It was a critical post...I merely wondered where people on the list g= ot they're info.=20 Infact=2C probably my biggest critisism would be that for a music machine t= hat they are claiming is so revolutionary=2C how come the music sucks=2C Iv= e only heard some 3rd rate big beat done on it. Maybe it is that crap? But = we dont know do we? No specs!! On this this list Antony its more normal practice to veil ones insults in c= lever layers of subtlty. Try and avoid calling me braindead straight out = =2C save the crassness for youTube... M Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 20 Dec 2010=2C at 01:21=2C antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: I find the whole tone of it ridiculous. We are now so zombied out by these = hyped=2C aggressive=2C pseudo spy=2C shoot em down=2C breake'm=2C "movies3= =2C that we find it normal that a machine made for music shold be portrayed= as dangerous and treacherous weapon. This is supposed to be funny=2C we sh= ould get off on it? It shows how much brain damage has been done to us: people on this list who= are usually pretty witty and exercise their sense of humor look at this c= lip half seriously and find it OK=2C aside from the fact that the clip says= nothing about speccs. hey wake up=2C this movie is boring and silly Antony From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon=2C December 20=2C 2010 1:01:16 AM Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Glad you enjoy the Kool-Aid=2C Mark... http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun=2C Dec 19=2C 2010 at 4:30 PM=2C mark francombe wrote: > I don't understand.. It's a dog? What does that mean? To be honest I'm > amazed they went to so much expense to produce this ad=2C nice as it was= =2C yet > at no place did they demonstrate any features.... Why are you so down on = it > Dennis=2C is there some specs out there... I'd like to read.. I love this > companies former products and expect good stuff... Anders.. Do you have s= ome > infi=2C=2C=2C guess i better check thr site... > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > On 19 Dec 2010=2C at 23:59=2C antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: > > it's a dog really:-) > Antony > ________________________________ > From: Dustbunnies > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Sent: Sun=2C December 19=2C 2010 10:52:44 AM > Subject: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... > > From Synthtopia: > > " This video is an epic dystopian future teaser for Elektron=B9s new Octa= track > performance sampler...." > > http://is.gd/j05M4 > > Not much real content (technical or otherwise)=2C but quite entertaining = if a > little dark & morbid. I liked the random Blade Runner references (I caug= ht > two=2C perhaps three=2C myself) and supposedly there's a nod or three to = Usual > Suspects in there also. > > --m. > > > > = --_037b31e1-108c-4081-b05a-7d99c84467d7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Specs:
Internal tracks | Real-time time stretch and pitch shift | 8 recorders | 16 instantly available banks | 256 instantly available patterns | 64 step variable leng= th tracks |2 FX blocks per track | 3 LFOs per tra= ck | 3 year Elektron Warranty

http://www.elektron.se/sites/default/files/= products/files/Octratrack-Specs.pdf

 =3B

=  =3B

Lots of info:=A8
http:/= /www.elektron.se/products/octatrack
 =3B
Anders

 =3B
From: markfrancombe@gmail.com
Date: Mon=2C 20 Dec 2010 07:05:04 +0100Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....
To: Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com

Its irony mate... The fact that it references at least 6 different fil= ms maybe more... Its beatifully shot=2C very well made=2C thats what i mean= by Nice btw=2C (my day job is being a filmaker) i didn't say i loved it or= anything. It was a critical post...I merely wondered where people on the l= ist got they're info. =3B

Infact=2C probably my biggest critisism would be that for a music mach= ine that they are claiming is so revolutionary=2C how come the music sucks= =2C Ive only heard some 3rd rate big beat done on it. Maybe it is that crap= ? But we dont know do we? No specs!!

On this this list Antony its more normal practice to veil ones insults= in clever layers of subtlty. Try and avoid calling me braindead straight o= ut =2C save the crassness =3Bfor youTube...


M



Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 20 Dec 2010=2C at 01:21=2C antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote:

I find the whole tone of it ridiculous. We are now so zombied out by t= hese hyped=2C aggressive=2C pseudo spy=2C shoot em down=2C breake'm=2C "mov= ies3=2C that we find it normal that a machine made for music shold be portr= ayed as dangerous and treacherous weapon. This is supposed to be funny=2C w= e should get off on it?
It shows how much brain damage has been done to us: people on this lis= t who are usually pretty witty  =3Band exercise their sense of humor lo= ok at this clip half seriously and find it OK=2C aside from the fact that t= he clip says nothing about speccs.

hey wake up=2C this movie is boring and silly

Antony

From: Dennis Moser <=3Bsinsofmachaut@gmail.com>=3B<= BR>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon=2C December 20=2C 2010 1:01:16= AM
Subject: Re: Epic Oc= tatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....

Glad you enjoy the Koo= l-Aid=2C Mark...

http= ://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/

=

On Sun=2C Dec 19=2C 2010 at 4:30 PM=2C mark francombe <=3Bmarkfrancombe@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B I don't understa= nd.. It's a dog? What does that mean? To be honest I'm
>=3B amazed the= y went to so much expense to produce this ad=2C nice as it was=2C yet
&g= t=3B at no place did they demonstrate any features.... Why are you so down = on it
>=3B Dennis=2C is there some specs out there... I'd like to read= .. I love this
>=3B companies former products and expect good stuff...= Anders.. Do you have some
>=3B infi=2C=2C=2C guess i better check thr= site...
>=3B
>=3B Sent from my (advertisement removed)
>=3B= On 19 Dec 2010=2C at 23:59=2C antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrot= e:
>=3B
>=3B it's a dog really:-)
>=3B Antony
>=3B ____= ____________________________
>=3B From: Dustbunnies <=3Bmech@m3ch.net= >=3B
>=3B To: "Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com"
>=3B <=3BLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=3B
>=3B Sent: Sun=2C= December 19=2C 2010 10:52:44 AM
>=3B Subject: Epic Octatrack Performa= nce Sampler Teaser....
>=3B
>=3B From Synthtopia:
>=3B
&g= t=3B " This video is an epic dystopian future teaser for Elektron=B9s new O= ctatrack
>=3B performance sampler...."
>=3B
>=3B  = =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B http://is.gd/j05= M4
>=3B
>=3B Not much real content (technical or o= therwise)=2C but quite entertaining if a
>=3B little dark &=3B morb= id. =3B I liked the random Blade Runner references (I caught
>=3B = two=2C perhaps three=2C myself) and supposedly there's a nod or three to Us= ual
>=3B Suspects in there also.
>=3B
>=3B  =3B  =3B= --m.
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B


= --_037b31e1-108c-4081-b05a-7d99c84467d7_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 09:26:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02E2F183456; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ad2df0e1-1857-41e2-977e-a8e8c3f0efc3_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:26:14 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <630088.81928.qm@web120712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid>,<630088.81928.qm@web120712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2010 09:26:15.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2F2FAD0:01CBA027] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:26:17 +0000 (UTC) --_ad2df0e1-1857-41e2-977e-a8e8c3f0efc3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found myself wondering how much this slick production would add to the pr= ice of the unit. As regards the tone of the piece=2C some music is inherent= ly dystopian and agressive=2C black metal=2C and some hardcore dance styles= for instance. The manufacturers have obviously missed a trick by alienatin= g some of the members of this list.=20 I don't think I've ever enjoyed a demo like the ones you'd get with synthes= isers=2C (you know=2C the one where you'd press a combination of buttons an= d some awful jazz fusion or keyboard rock would emenate from). It was alway= s a matter of trying to look beyond the awful demos towards what I personal= ly wanted to achieve. Peace G Date: Mon=2C 20 Dec 2010 00:27:50 -0800 From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I am happy to hear that it is irony.=20 i know my tone was more bitting than it usually is=2C but you will also not= ice that i included myself in the lot.my point was not to be crass or call = anybody brain dead but to awaken our critical sense=2C as a community. Of c= ourse the movie is well made=2C it is full of references=2C but what does i= t talk about? Why all the violence: brain pouring out of ears and such=2C t= hreats of torture=3B what is the point... why do we accept this as mainstre= am movie content Yeah=2C the music is not of the highest quality (was that better as far as = veiling goes:-)) In fact=2C you made a big point=2C it really shows how off target the whole= film really is: clever=2C flashy=2C well made=2C appealing in a morbid contemporary fashion=2C but bad music=2C no information and no real conten= t. By the way=2C I am sure this machine is going to be a great tool=2C once th= e bugs are ironed out=2C and once the software is pretty complete. And my apologies for not making myself understood=2C I am not calling anyon= e here brain dead. Quite the contrary=2C I am trying to convey the followin= g : ye who still have preserved your wits in the midst of all this misinfor= mation=2C over-information and noise=2C don't you think this film is offend= ing your intelligence and dulling your empathy... Antony From: mark francombe To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Mon=2C December 20=2C 2010 7:05:04 AM Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Its irony mate... The fact that it references at least 6 different films ma= ybe more... Its beatifully shot=2C very well made=2C thats what i mean by N= ice btw=2C (my day job is being a filmaker) i didn't say i loved it or anyt= hing. It was a critical post...I merely wondered where people on the list g= ot they're info.=20 Infact=2C probably my biggest critisism would be that for a music machine t= hat they are claiming is so revolutionary=2C how come the music sucks=2C Iv= e only heard some 3rd rate big beat done on it. Maybe it is that crap? But = we dont know do we? No specs!! On this this list Antony its more normal practice to veil ones insults in c= lever layers of subtlty. Try and avoid calling me braindead straight out = =2C save the crassness for youTube... M Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 20 Dec 2010=2C at 01:21=2C antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: I find the whole tone of it ridiculous. We are now so zombied out by these = hyped=2C aggressive=2C pseudo spy=2C shoot em down=2C breake'm=2C "movies3= =2C that we find it normal that a machine made for music shold be portrayed= as dangerous and treacherous weapon. This is supposed to be funny=2C we sh= ould get off on it? It shows how much brain damage has been done to us: people on this list who= are usually pretty witty and exercise their sense of humor look at this c= lip half seriously and find it OK=2C aside from the fact that the clip says= nothing about speccs. hey wake up=2C this movie is boring and silly Antony From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon=2C December 20=2C 2010 1:01:16 AM Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Glad you enjoy the Kool-Aid=2C Mark... http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sun=2C Dec 19=2C 2010 at 4:30 PM=2C mark francombe wrote: > I don't understand.. It's a dog? What does that mean? To be honest I'm > amazed they went to so much expense to produce this ad=2C nice as it was= =2C yet > at no place did they demonstrate any features.... Why are you so down on = it > Dennis=2C is there some specs out there... I'd like to read.. I love this > companies former products and expect good stuff... Anders.. Do you have s= ome > infi=2C=2C=2C guess i better check thr site... > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > On 19 Dec 2010=2C at 23:59=2C antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: > > it's a dog really:-) > Antony > ________________________________ > From: Dustbunnies > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Sent: Sun=2C December 19=2C 2010 10:52:44 AM > Subject: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... > > From Synthtopia: > > " This video is an epic dystopian future teaser for Elektron=B9s new Octatrack > performance sampler...." > > http://is.gd/j05M4 > > Not much real content (technical or otherwise)=2C but quite entertaining = if a > little dark & morbid. I liked the random Blade Runner references (I caug= ht > two=2C perhaps three=2C myself) and supposedly there's a nod or three to = Usual > Suspects in there also. > > --m. > > > > =20 = --_ad2df0e1-1857-41e2-977e-a8e8c3f0efc3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found myself wondering how much this slick production would add to the pr= ice of the unit. As regards the tone of the piece=2C some music is inherent= ly dystopian and agressive=2C black metal=2C and some hardcore dance styles= for instance. The manufacturers have obviously missed a trick by alienatin= g some of the members of this list.
I don't think I've ever enjoyed a d= emo like the ones you'd get with synthesisers=2C (you know=2C the one where= you'd press a combination of buttons and some awful jazz fusion or keyboar= d rock would emenate from). It was always a matter of trying to look beyond= the awful demos towards what I personally wanted to achieve.

Peace<= br>
G

Date: Mon=2C 20 Dec 2010 00:27:50 -= 0800
From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Perform= ance Sampler Teaser....
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I am happy to hear that it is irony. =3B
<= br>
i know my tone was more bitting than it usually is=2C but you= will also notice that i included myself in the lot.
my point was= not to be crass or call anybody brain dead but to awaken our critical sens= e=2C as a community. Of course the movie is well made=2C it is full of refe= rences=2C but what does it talk about? Why all the violence: brain pouring = out of ears and such=2C threats of torture=3B what is the point... why do w= e accept this as mainstream movie content

Yeah=2C = the music is not of the highest quality (was that better as far as veiling = goes:-))

In fact=2C you made a big point=2C it rea= lly shows how off target the whole film really is: clever=2C flashy=2C well= made=2C appealing in a morbid contemporary fashion=2C but bad music=2C no information and no real conten= t.

By the way=2C I am sure this machine is going t= o be a great tool=2C once the bugs are ironed out=2C and once the software = is pretty complete.

And my apologies for not makin= g myself understood=2C I am not calling anyone here brain dead. Quite the c= ontrary=2C I am trying to convey the following : ye who still have preserve= d your wits in the midst of all this misinformation=2C over-information and= noise=2C don't you think this film is offending your intelligence and dull= ing your empathy...

Antony

From: mark francombe <=3Bmarkfrancombe@= gmail.com>=3B
To: "= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <=3BLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.= com>=3B
Sent: Mon= =2C December 20=2C 2010 7:05:04 AM
Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....<= br>
Its irony mate... The fact that it references at least 6 different fil= ms maybe more... Its beatifully shot=2C very well made=2C thats what i mean= by Nice btw=2C (my day job is being a filmaker) i didn't say i loved it or= anything. It was a critical post...I merely wondered where people on the l= ist got they're info. =3B

Infact=2C probably my biggest critisism would be that f= or a music machine that they are claiming is so revolutionary=2C how come t= he music sucks=2C Ive only heard some 3rd rate big beat done on it. Maybe i= t is that crap? But we dont know do we? No specs!!

On this this list Antony its more normal practice to ve= il ones insults in clever layers of subtlty. Try and avoid calling me brain= dead straight out =2C save the crassness =3Bfor youTube...

M



Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 20 Dec 2010=2C at 0= 1:21=2C antonyhequet@yahoo.com wr= ote:

I find the whole tone of i= t ridiculous. We are now so zombied out by these hyped=2C aggressive=2C pse= udo spy=2C shoot em down=2C breake'm=2C "movies3=2C that we find it normal = that a machine made for music shold be portrayed as dangerous and treachero= us weapon. This is supposed to be funny=2C we should get off on it?
It shows how much brain damage has been done to us: people on this lis= t who are usually pretty witty  =3Band exercise their sense of humor lo= ok at this clip half seriously and find it OK=2C aside from the fact that t= he clip says nothing about speccs.

hey wake up=2C this movie is boring and silly

Antony

From: D= ennis Moser <=3Bsinsofmachaut@gmail= .com>=3B
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon=2C December 20= =2C 2010 1:01:16 AM
Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....

Glad you enjoy the Kool-Aid=2C Mark...

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/=



On Sun=2C Dec 19=2C 2010 at 4:30 PM=2C mark fran= combe <=3Bmarkfrancombe@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B I don't understand.. It's a dog? What does that mean? To be honest I= 'm
>=3B amazed they went to so much expense to produce this ad=2C nice= as it was=2C yet
>=3B at no place did they demonstrate any features..= .. Why are you so down on it
>=3B Dennis=2C is there some specs out there... I'd like to read.. I love= this
>=3B companies former products and expect good stuff... Anders..= Do you have some
>=3B infi=2C=2C=2C guess i better check thr site...
>=3B
>=3B Sent from my (adverti= sement removed)
>=3B On 19 Dec 2010=2C at 23:59=2C antonyhequet@y= ahoo.com wrote:
>=3B
>=3B it's a dog really:-)
>=3B Antony
>=3B __________= ______________________
>=3B From: Dustbunnies <=3Bmech@m3ch.net= >=3B
>=3B To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" >=3B <=3BLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=3B
>=3B S= ent: Sun=2C December 19=2C 2010 10:52:44 AM
>=3B Subject: Epic Octatra= ck Performance Sampler Teaser....
>=3B
>=3B From Synthtopia:
>=3B
>=3B " This video is an ep= ic dystopian future teaser for Elektron=B9s new Octatrack
>=3B performance sampler....">=3B
>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B http://is.gd/j05M4
>=3B >=3B Not much real content (technical or otherwise)=2C but quite entertai= ning if a
>=3B little dark &=3B morbid. =3B I liked the random = Blade Runner references (I caught
>=3B two=2C perhaps three=2C myself)= and supposedly there's a nod or three to Usual
>=3B Suspects in there also.
>=3B
>=3B  =3B  =3B --m.>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
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= --_ad2df0e1-1857-41e2-977e-a8e8c3f0efc3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 09:47:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 664B7183466; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=1KxfXMpFFlnKxiB/eWfoC0mN/ZXo+JVB1ru8/XLsqx0=; b=K4xPAk1aD825+GY41HI0kZxsLJ27V8ri9y0CzUACGf8HaXZb+rThsQKJbcN0SiQoMF zmPyUt2yJvLkZ+XtoQybqPMsCubSPNovCHcffmxvh1g6n93xGMLMQ5eozupP0AUXcs3c C5izo2vFoTa2S0IVQw+QRdMYNVbM8nDL6EdPY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=mYBMNqTsaP/NHSRe3Ocb5WcuSEjXFP3DCx+RBV1IoGN4tHJtsli9smEeVAj9Ex4h+0 JMRBFILAxlhiMmSiezbBvvHwpthoAXEApCt/2jg3oaad/sVxGrJdGM/QLy+bQ0xfiepo O2cWPXV3uodIu5udnhe/Qza8gzHnvfKoibRvo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:47:25 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UkBL9fx6BC9N5MSpuNBBMGIj6DY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8f3a80f7380497d469fa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:47:46 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8f3a80f7380497d469fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the clarification Anthony, and thanks for the link Anders. As to your deeper point Anthony, about accepting violence in our mass media as the norm. I have to agree that although I don't personally find any of i= t particularly offensive, I am also concerned as to the AMOUNT of it. Especially one who has a young child who is entering into this new world. I= t does seem sometimes that ALL our films / entertainment is swimming in gratuitous blood and gore. The normal fare that one is presented on hit shows such as C.S I, or Dexter, or House (bit of a fan of House I must say... I love Hugh Lawrie) is overwhelming, and that story lines are only concerned with serial murder, sick sex, terrorism or war. Indeed the graphi= c depiction of such is not particularly different on prime time TV with content that during the 80's was branded as Video Nasties. And I should know, I watched it all! Maybe Im getting old here, but certainly having a young child has focused m= y opinion in the world where they market Spiderman / Batman pajamas to the under fives is unacceptable to me. No longer are these icons those of cute 50's comic book moralising about good and evil, no, the films themselves ar= e rated as 11 years plus. Not to mention "Freddie" or "Scream" masks. Indeed, make a search on YouTube (this being the main source of "TV" for many children) for "Video Nasty" you WILL find edit compilations, out of context, from all the worse scenes from Cannibal Holocaust, Snuff, Driller Killer.. and I dont want to even think about the YouTube craze for forcing kids to watch the scatological porn clip known as 2 girls 2 cup. Anthony, I COMPLETELY agree with that point you were making... sorry if I didn't respond to THAT, its a very important issue, and one that means that my kids do not get to watch ANY TELEVISION OR COMPUTER without me or my wif= e being present, and I expect this rule will continue until they are teens. Mark On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Anders Bergdahl < anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote: > Specs: > Internal tracks | Real-time time stretch and pitch shift | 8 recorders |1= 6 instantly available banks > | 256 instantly available patterns | 64 step variable length tracks |2 FX > blocks per track | 3 LFOs per track | 3 year Elektron Warranty > > > http://www.elektron.se/sites/default/files/products/files/Octratrack-Spec= s.pdf > > > > Lots of info:=A8 > http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack > > Anders > > > --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8f3a80f7380497d469fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the clarification Anthony, and thanks for the link Anders.
As to your deeper point Anthony, about accepting violence in our mass med= ia as the norm. I have to agree that although I don't personally find a= ny of it particularly offensive, I am also concerned as to the AMOUNT of it= .
Especially one who has a young child who is entering into this new world. I= t does seem sometimes that ALL our films / entertainment is swimming in gra= tuitous blood and gore. The normal fare that one is presented on hit shows = such as C.S I, or Dexter, or House (bit of a fan of House I must say... I l= ove Hugh Lawrie) is overwhelming, and that story lines are only concerned w= ith serial murder, sick sex, terrorism or war. Indeed the graphic depiction= of such is not particularly different on prime time TV with content that d= uring the 80's was branded as Video Nasties. And I should know, I watch= ed it all!

Maybe Im getting old here, but certainly having a young child has focus= ed my opinion in the world where they market Spiderman / Batman pajamas to = the under fives is unacceptable to me. No longer are these icons those of c= ute 50's comic book moralising about good and evil, no, the films thems= elves are rated as 11 years plus. Not to mention "Freddie" or &qu= ot;Scream" masks.
Indeed, make a search on YouTube (this being the main source of "TV&qu= ot; for many children) for "Video Nasty" you WILL find edit compi= lations, out of context, from all the worse scenes from Cannibal Holocaust,= Snuff, Driller Killer.. and I dont want to even think about the YouTube cr= aze for forcing kids to watch the scatological porn clip known as 2 girls 2= cup.

Anthony, I COMPLETELY agree with that point you were making... sorry if= I didn't respond to THAT, its a very important issue, and one that mea= ns that my kids do not get to watch ANY TELEVISION OR COMPUTER without me o= r my wife being present, and I expect this rule will continue until they ar= e teens.

Mark




On Mon, Dec 20, 2010= at 9:42 AM, Anders Bergdahl <anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote= :
Specs:
Internal tracks | Real-time time stretch and pitch shift | 8 recorders | 16 instantly available banks | 256 instantly available patterns | 64 step variable leng= th tracks |2 FX blocks per track | 3 LFOs per tra= ck | 3 year Elektron Warranty

http://www.elektron.se/= sites/default/files/products/files/Octratrack-Specs.pdf

=A0

=A0 Lots of info:=A8
http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack
=A0
Anders
=A0


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--90e6ba6e8f3a80f7380497d469fa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 11:43:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3564B183459; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cDAFrJW9E0DZ3VrppvMZS80lWHL9U/bLdgc0zMnGBVk=; b=Sks2rHn1ruQTCRqM8808MA95xBX99e33j9BqdSqjrK919YZGWZqEsi86hAR+wwwDf+ i8FaSDHWGtGrNvbKGLN8I9pD9jqKxURLgZ+nFhE16Sp7xres7Tc+PAWB8tz4LZ+GAIV/ gSh67AoT61fGYobWM/Sv9/V08nN2mTG13cxlI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=la5ec2ZGsWZq6AxlGndF0v8OeAohD0imszGkp4LtEnAwsn1MMyqCDYIy1YkBqBCCc/ NooWr6AGiSb3QVHAIS8LTzrvbl2AmHygwfvfgEwYa37zhWYGpx4PZ3MW+6cs+/GIvWOc gzss811cWiiDY3HOgdhuNyDnU0GtpBSyDqoM8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:42:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:42:59 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:59 PM, wrote: > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://is.gd/j05M4 Cool filming indeed, the actors are good at acting as good actors and the cyber punk setting has an authentic retro touch - but the clip makes me less interested in that box. It smells strange to market a creative music instrument without saying anything about it and instead mocking up a pseudo movie teaser that mostly brings the message that the film producer team is of a certain age and was into certain music (and related art) twenty five years ago. The mystery remains: why did they make this film? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 13:16:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E626183459; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=X1NsZbfkBxvRiEQGcwNlkPMe9RyGB89c1kmcg0G6mVE=; b=Hg01J+IJLhhQv/hqNgDEtnvzQRaU/tQLp/tZP60lp6mX2I2bqjbIZHWjmcLU9ahtNM WMiX+9EqDdCwcuApXPP7EVzAzjnSqdLHMtzapCbgQYpl8CTGuvDI6UqCGe0EZQV3iNIu OH5gs+QigcREKIw/iqafFYXaBVqpPHtkdEjp0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=olCwssf9fSHDs21Mq5ozPwZ6+1so777ysznnU4lQ1YyELLc086nNga717ANsVhHwgY JGmMzqTY48Ry+ttgGw8MZU0B5M7bFeKYm8GcV8JI37wGQgOZ6uDmpcN0RF7bKwbVopLu jNPSoA7pmf1GpLwtLH7NNEYCUT5CCd11uW3Ms= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:16:04 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -3m9EMEgz8QmqIrJz37AxZZHpFk Message-ID: Subject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8f3ab42c410497d7538b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:16:26 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8f3ab42c410497d7538b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > why did > they make this film? > It is called advertising, an evil phenomena of lies and hyperbole... I have been approached to work in this sinister field many times. If I had accepted, I would now be rich and ridden by guilt. As it is I am poor and sleep soundly. Although relatively expensive as a production, its not probably any MORE expensive than using more traditional imagery. Its just one or two days filming, maybe a week 3D, 3 days to edit. Its probably half a mill kroner... OK.. 750,000. (guessing of course - thats what I would take) The reason that they use this type somewhat old genre is that its is well known and therefore easier in a Pavlovian sense for the un-initiated to become entranced with the product and place it in that place along with other things that they think are cool... If the imagery had been more original, they would have had to use their brains more proactively. Which advertising doesn't usually like to risk. And its working, if you read some of the comment on YouTube... "What IS this music? its so cool" "I want one" "Is there a full length movie?" someone asked... -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8f3ab42c410497d7538b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
why did
they make this film?

It is called advertising, a= n evil phenomena of lies and hyperbole... I have been approached to work in= this sinister field many times. If I had accepted, I would now be rich and= ridden by guilt. As it is I am poor and sleep soundly.

Although relatively expensive as a production, its not probably any MOR= E expensive than using more traditional imagery. Its just one or two days f= ilming, maybe a week 3D, 3 days to edit. Its probably half a mill kroner...= OK.. 750,000. (guessing of course - thats what I would take)

The reason that they use this type somewhat old genre is that its is we= ll known and therefore easier in a Pavlovian sense for the un-initiated to = become entranced with the product and place it in that place along with oth= er things that they think are cool... If the imagery had been more original= , they would have had to use their brains more proactively. Which advertisi= ng doesn't usually like to risk.
And its working, if you read some of the comment on YouTube... "What I= S this music? its so cool" "I want one" "Is there a ful= l length movie?" someone asked...





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--90e6ba6e8f3ab42c410497d7538b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 14:16:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C223818345A; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9KpnjnCyCMP5H2hZ+wE85cJt/cK30PZW4s5tWNDqSpI=; b=Jx0O6pJDZd5kW8vRAapSmejYBIMjUufV0x1C4TeQHbaW6M5EDdph1Wcj1pSIU3pK4b q7wdwCYh1ElQcTyYJShDPWGzZDQKtSlK1F0Va3RIk1McyzHrIc7ratTLQrdWR4SAfIit hmdBbQw2TA1Yel3f3qlNC0yR3Z5i0B+SVo9wY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Ec66Ot6ONyzICA/vtRUqCVIamcM1CXiVXeJYF1l7rfyrKlnrFPRwqCXAh6kb/mPOzs DT7lSExDyUDsxmhwzDvThgYngCcRZqd71xhKvkaKlTYsnMZSH867lSXxz46eQQvyJinF eqcQSvX3R46anTbXJpAyml1xZx3z87QJ8xLUY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:16:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <_TF6OB.A.47B.aV2DNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Sent from my sofa (no advertisement) > On 19 Dec 2010, at 20:24, Gareth Whittock wrote: >> great! I've been sledging down a hillside all afternoon On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:35 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Me too!!! I guess we're a bit more used to snow than the UK here in > Norway.. Its - 12C today bit chilly, not too 'orrible tho.. -7 C in lower mid Sweden today (not daring to think about how could it in north of Sweden now). Shiny sun over the snow white city landscapes; just got back from a walk out in the white. With polar clothes you're fine, but it is cold enough to smack up the train, flight and car traffic system all over the country - just like in the rest of Europe it seems. People from all over the world stuck at our airports as planes can't take off. Not hotel rooms for everyone so they sit at the airport hall floor waiting for hours/days to just talk to information service and get some advice. I'm away at another city now visiting my parents and luckily they live close to the water and since thatis an active flood not yet frozen I can take the ferry into the city (bus or tramp would be a hazard). Most luckily I don't need to go anywhere at all right now. Got a train ticket for dec 28 and hoping things will get better by then. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 14:21:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DB69183461; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292854888; bh=zDSiw//t8ZjT4UjYtLSV+m4MdyakqYtqrk6cdFP6Xbk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6J7RSSjzWyAMuONkpT5s9LOMFPJnwP71xZWavQjyu3uPWkzEcy9pKPQntkzhC4rZFj7Lq/oyXx3NY8hxZtdV8W5qiW6qHkQ26IG6AbA/GzV01JSjlJmeNoHqwKgLqFQG6a6HdFlFYtjDNkP9d5zUVLb+IuQgCxZAQMJVJp4ykFQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sbTLWNhK2/AOZNRat5nZuB7rGwd+pdhHWGVEVBIesq2PiiaffToGN5+469K/PomVYbvycG24ev3b/4EgMGFCT8mXoKjJDexLNe+Vzi/07RxCBqdpegbo6RKSudhCuiqkz3fEJH7/fGiLv8Nph52STniZeiMG5bvkw07+7njDllk=; Message-ID: <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: c738X8cVM1lD2uw1WARBCChYIIWNZUnfCWaZP46EwqAuQlz c7lSaj5QD0Cm2QUR2c2J1Q.38rGQ6j15msILNkf9S.q7.vIVNPX82c2Dc0z8 .l50SIJ2G9S15zH548e3LANJTFRb2buNlpaolw.MV.h0zm3m1ljUlQZzzo8M HEGrLhmdhNmb8f1r4Hwy3zDxJO7ie2GW0Dqpq7b3aSXDbfsLd6FlzE90V.9c ZliR_6CghnmriFq1S5fkfrYG_kba7witz1O1wSoZmOOU8zMBU4xiPaNAUTs2 tpyTVayMVVl_GFPXP0vql X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:21:28 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: bundle up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-698169671-1292854888=:83366" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:21:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-698169671-1292854888=:83366 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey Per, how can minus 7 paralyze everything in Sweden, doesn't it get a lot colder than that? I am close to Geneva in the mountains, minus 7 happens all the time; it's true that Geneva airport is also frozen:-) Maybe we have finally found a way to stop all this needless gas and kerosene consumption... Antony ________________________________ From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 3:16:57 PM Subject: Re: OT: bundle up Sent from my sofa (no advertisement) > On 19 Dec 2010, at 20:24, Gareth Whittock wrote: >> great! I've been sledging down a hillside all afternoon On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:35 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Me too!!! I guess we're a bit more used to snow than the UK here in > Norway.. Its - 12C today bit chilly, not too 'orrible tho.. -7 C in lower mid Sweden today (not daring to think about how could it in north of Sweden now). Shiny sun over the snow white city landscapes; just got back from a walk out in the white. With polar clothes you're fine, but it is cold enough to smack up the train, flight and car traffic system all over the country - just like in the rest of Europe it seems. People from all over the world stuck at our airports as planes can't take off. Not hotel rooms for everyone so they sit at the airport hall floor waiting for hours/days to just talk to information service and get some advice. I'm away at another city now visiting my parents and luckily they live close to the water and since thatis an active flood not yet frozen I can take the ferry into the city (bus or tramp would be a hazard). Most luckily I don't need to go anywhere at all right now. Got a train ticket for dec 28 and hoping things will get better by then. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub --0-698169671-1292854888=:83366 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
hey Per,

how can minus 7 paralyze everything in Sweden, doesn't it get a lot colder than that?

I am close to Geneva in the mountains, minus 7 happens all the time; it's true that Geneva airport is also frozen:-)

Maybe we have finally found a way to stop all this needless gas and kerosene consumption...

Antony

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 3:16:57 PM
Subject: Re: OT: bundle up

Sent from my sofa (no advertisement)

> On 19 Dec 2010, at 20:24, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> great! I've been sledging down a hillside all afternoon

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:35 AM, mark francombe
<markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
> Me too!!! I guess we're a bit more used to snow than the UK here in
> Norway.. Its - 12C today bit chilly, not too 'orrible tho..

-7 C in lower mid Sweden today (not daring to think about how could it
in north of Sweden now). Shiny sun over the snow white city
landscapes;  just got back from a walk out in the white. With polar
clothes you're fine, but it is cold enough to smack up the train,
flight and car traffic system all over the country - just like in the
rest of Europe it seems. People from all over the world stuck at our
airports as planes can't take off. Not hotel rooms for everyone so
they sit at the airport hall floor waiting for hours/days to just talk
to information service and get some advice. I'm away at another city
now visiting my parents and luckily they live close to the water and
since thatis an active flood not yet frozen I can take the ferry into
the city (bus or tramp would be a hazard). Most luckily I don't need
to go anywhere at all right now. Got a train ticket for dec 28 and
hoping things will get better by then.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub


--0-698169671-1292854888=:83366-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 14:25:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97DFA183461; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mZd7Fyv9fECtodalpt8xvLxHWbnCGLbi+cK74JVyd3Y=; b=KHiaDeNlRA+YxJMja5/l2fMU9plfcpVMsJy7smqTtzLGC7lIJlF+slbrT2Piezg1BP yj+FQEgRFjWxoA0q2vjNf6JfwzjPxx2SOtUdp3pL35lj4ELeiJk/XMrZRCJQnWzCYA2l EnnwOqYoEC3pHMU9qbYXsIGP0YQuID8hVIrvk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Mh/4NApEd1JFvMLyZ0SMK03a1Sl9Uak59uet9zfYnwigmnh1IKlDtRVH+o2ySmfp95 qHr117YoUXATP3q/1wdWoBAXlrxVquhv8ylfHR5iLttSq/uSWFZXtg4bdMpwFrjFp7Np WJqq73ZYFvH5Kbaco4wyCDZvpvM0kky7tub4U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:25:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a20343dc6d0497d84b12 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:25:40 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a20343dc6d0497d84b12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Minus 13 Celsius in Finland today, by Friday it should be -23 celsius :-D business as usual in Finland... -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ 2010/12/20 > hey Per, > > how can minus 7 paralyze everything in Sweden, doesn't it get a lot colder > than that? > > I am close to Geneva in the mountains, minus 7 happens all the time; it's > true that Geneva airport is also frozen:-) > > Maybe we have finally found a way to stop all this needless gas and > kerosene consumption... > > Antony > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Per Boysen > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Mon, December 20, 2010 3:16:57 PM > *Subject:* Re: OT: bundle up > > Sent from my sofa (no advertisement) > > > On 19 Dec 2010, at 20:24, Gareth Whittock > wrote: > >> great! I've been sledging down a hillside all afternoon > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:35 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Me too!!! I guess we're a bit more used to snow than the UK here in > > Norway.. Its - 12C today bit chilly, not too 'orrible tho.. > > -7 C in lower mid Sweden today (not daring to think about how could it > in north of Sweden now). Shiny sun over the snow white city > landscapes; just got back from a walk out in the white. With polar > clothes you're fine, but it is cold enough to smack up the train, > flight and car traffic system all over the country - just like in the > rest of Europe it seems. People from all over the world stuck at our > airports as planes can't take off. Not hotel rooms for everyone so > they sit at the airport hall floor waiting for hours/days to just talk > to information service and get some advice. I'm away at another city > now visiting my parents and luckily they live close to the water and > since thatis an active flood not yet frozen I can take the ferry into > the city (bus or tramp would be a hazard). Most luckily I don't need > to go anywhere at all right now. Got a train ticket for dec 28 and > hoping things will get better by then. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > > --20cf3054a20343dc6d0497d84b12 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Minus 13 Celsius in Finland today, by Friday it should be -23 celsius
:-D

business as usual in Finland...

--
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http://petrilahtinen.blogspo= t.com/
http://www.m= yspace.com/petrilahtinen
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2010/12/20 <antonyhequet@yahoo.c= om>
hey Per= ,

how can minus 7 paralyze everything in Sweden, doesn= 9;t it get a lot colder than that?

I am close to G= eneva in the mountains, minus 7 happens all the time; it's true that Ge= neva airport is also frozen:-)

Maybe we have finally found a way to stop all this need= less gas and kerosene consumption...

Antony
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From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com
Sent: M= on, December 20, 2010 3:16:57 PM
Subject: Re: OT: bundle up=

Sent from my sofa (no advertisement)

> On 19 Dec 2010, at 20:24, = Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> great! I've = been sledging down a hillside all afternoon

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:35 AM, mark francombe
<markfrancombe@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
> Me too!!! I guess we're a bit more used to snow than = the UK here in
> Norway.. Its - 12C today bit chilly, not too 'orrible tho..
-7 C in lower mid Sweden today (not daring to think about how could it
= in north of Sweden now). Shiny sun over the snow white city
landscapes;= =A0 just got back from a walk out in the white. With polar
clothes you're fine, but it is cold enough to smack up the train,
fl= ight and car traffic system all over the country - just like in the
rest of Europe it seems. People from all over the world stuck at= our
airports as planes can't take off. Not hotel rooms for everyone= so
they sit at the airport hall floor waiting for hours/days to just ta= lk
to information service and get some advice. I'm away at another citynow visiting my parents and luckily they live close to the water and
si= nce thatis an active flood not yet frozen I can take the ferry into
the city (bus or tramp would be a hazard). Most luckily I don't needto go anywhere at all right now. Got a train ticket for dec 28 and
hopi= ng things will get better by then.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen= .se
www.perbo= ysen.com
www.l= ooproom.com internet music hub







--20cf3054a20343dc6d0497d84b12-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 14:30:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5016F18345B; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DI0vQDLSMbE8CHWrFbNRjTqfuS1hoJGqMl8MRSeZlqY=; b=WOuw6sqOgCrqx5TMMb042K8Bior8la0fpUstpNl/wP0On7psXjm1KRgOwW07jD2irf gKvAfL6yBJvF5jo61YnREx6pqYWgum45hdJBYg1oAhilg7onsff7HI+DLSv+6RpJYlFK SKR75VAZgmOPJ61/rgTB1F3QZNImIyhY5Y1fg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SeBa4btOy9UavMhSmwPFo+1JVd3nXqNP4EWYDvnyjnNcO/fJdZWK8l5bquhQj97Y1L 5Vzf1g1CD9EEmIeb7kx/IUzt0l50mlK3qbDfdfr0JoHK812WmieQGeB5ctjL1FfaxCD6 0e5ueGLm3596LXm3iVvG4zcP6nxoD5kOJN/8k= Message-ID: <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:30:30 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: bundle up References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:30:34 +0000 (UTC) antonyhequet@yahoo.com schrieb: > hey Per, > > how can minus 7 paralyze everything in Sweden, doesn't it get a lot > colder than that? > The paralysis doesn't come from the temperature, but from the large amounts of snow continuing to fall I'd suspect (which doesn't fall if it gets any colder). Everyone's favourite place for automotive business travel in Sweden, Arjeplog, is 'round -20° right now - here's a webcam: http://bildersammlung.ch/arjeplog-webcam-live-wetter-webcam-arjeplog-live-cam-torget-schweden/webcam.php (people go there to test how cars handle when it's really rather cold...) Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 14:31:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92AB3183473; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=+VAtuDMclmc1vVTu3gCAiZTT7z1c25ynKFKM+RScsPQ=; b=HqZ+kHNF7aIZbjbrFa2Z0kVok3EukZvLrv/2F1BvrrySRSQZPzK2k1PukuxULjYmnp gFIrrf/shOiyDyKJJ7GQjFvI6lsHnFhVyM3RMviYsr/WXlcMqyJAdx2nKWlZdJyeBZ0/ V2KuhH4H8NvFxY4Uie9yF0In/mu6DfYyt6nJk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=Sc9ck0KstKM5UvT/xJqcW3h+2Q8EbEV4KdjV/pVlXY8lHikJWqYY5J/i3kfigjj/V/ AztEOcLw6QbAVE6FQFUTFXNzY6ZZKpL5CZNrVPzOnsyQmNg0IExot7GpYtj5Hy/4xz5v GvteQzZTv8RA080p4oLRU26JVWuj2SpMMCrbI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> From: todd reynolds Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:30:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a4b151e3a20497d85fe7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:31:16 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a4b151e3a20497d85fe7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable lol, since my celsius conversion is not up to snuff, it took me a minute to see that we're actually at the same temperature, Per. Really? that mucks up the trains, planes and automobiles? Of course, we haven't had quite as much snow here as I imagine you might have had. I'll have to go find some pictures. It's plenty chilly here though. Luckily, i= n two days, we go west for holidays to enjoy some 70 degree weather in California... (21 C) Best Wishes to all! T. On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Sent from my sofa (no advertisement) > > > On 19 Dec 2010, at 20:24, Gareth Whittock > wrote: > >> great! I've been sledging down a hillside all afternoon > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:35 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Me too!!! I guess we're a bit more used to snow than the UK here in > > Norway.. Its - 12C today bit chilly, not too 'orrible tho.. > > -7 C in lower mid Sweden today (not daring to think about how could it > in north of Sweden now). Shiny sun over the snow white city > landscapes; just got back from a walk out in the white. With polar > clothes you're fine, but it is cold enough to smack up the train, > flight and car traffic system all over the country - just like in the > rest of Europe it seems. People from all over the world stuck at our > airports as planes can't take off. Not hotel rooms for everyone so > they sit at the airport hall floor waiting for hours/days to just talk > to information service and get some advice. I'm away at another city > now visiting my parents and luckily they live close to the water and > since thatis an active flood not yet frozen I can take the ferry into > the city (bus or tramp would be a hazard). Most luckily I don't need > to go anywhere at all right now. Got a train ticket for dec 28 and > hoping things will get better by then. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 In C Remixed now released on iTunes and Amazon! :: Read about it here.= .. http://bit.ly/3Pm4g3 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds --20cf3054a4b151e3a20497d85fe7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable lol, =A0since my celsius conversion is not up to snuff, =A0it took me a min= ute to see that we're actually at the same temperature, Per. =A0
Really? =A0that mucks up the trains, planes and automobiles? O= f course, we haven't had quite as much snow here as I imagine you might= have had. =A0I'll have to go find some pictures. =A0It's plenty ch= illy here though. =A0Luckily, in two days, we go west for holidays to enjoy= some 70 degree weather in California... (21 C)

Best Wishes to all!=A0

T.
<= br>
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Per Boysen <= span dir=3D"ltr"><perboysen@gmail= .com> wrote:
Sent from my sofa (no advertisement)

> On 19 Dec 2010, at 20:24, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> great! I've been sledging down a hillside all afternoon

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:35 AM, mark francombe
<markfrancombe@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
> Me too!!! I guess we're a bit more used to snow than the UK here i= n
> Norway.. Its - 12C today bit chilly, not too 'orrible tho..

-7 C in lower mid Sweden today (not daring to think about how could it
in north of Sweden now). Shiny sun over the snow white city
landscapes; =A0just got back from a walk out in the white. With polar
clothes you're fine, but it is cold enough to smack up the train,
flight and car traffic system all over the country - just like in the
rest of Europe it seems. People from all over the world stuck at our
airports as planes can't take off. Not hotel rooms for everyone so
they sit at the airport hall floor waiting for hours/days to just talk
to information service and get some advice. I'm away at another city now visiting my parents and luckily they live close to the water and
since thatis an active flood not yet frozen I can take the ferry into
the city (bus or tramp would be a hazard). Most luckily I don't need to go anywhere at all right now. Got a train ticket for dec 28 and
hoping things will get better by then.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub




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--20cf3054a4b151e3a20497d85fe7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 15:01:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9F9A18347D; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VF3OSsUOPSZJvhlEFlJE6O7FIOzRhgB+P7Xd7KzHo2w=; b=Nh3B0Jkr+ee+GmGo/9uvQpIGuFqdFrE0USlS/NXdzNs7boxWS+qikjkTrMCgIlm7Nx N6/gYHTsGaUP/RLbpzW5zixhYc8ELS6i7Fk+yUm/CFrQtmkk+xkBofj9BX+otZh3Wn44 M9YYo+0o1HwtdXMZHsT8Kg1vZk6ex4zlzKQdc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KS83S3qr/sspr8Uul69YPywQm0cYNelxViob4UAxKKAhmxyOZLwZAlDRFK5Oxip2v9 FEH+Fg/4WkI9Sw1Xx2scjUR2agiMmwFrEI14mQN7dEdrX6J2n7rBm40l3z1C7HobLUFQ TJUulAhhEnk5fTp6d4wIKRdGoLK8jyVxlX1GA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:01:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <496K-B.A.MID.w-2DNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:01:04 +0000 (UTC) > antonyhequet@yahoo.com schrieb: >> hey Per, >> >> how can minus 7 paralyze everything in Sweden, doesn't it get a lot colder >> than that? No, not where I live (lower mid part; Stockholm, Gothenburg...). Sweden is a thin and long country, stretching from south to north like Long Tall Sally. On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > The paralysis doesn't come from the temperature, but from the large amounts > of snow continuing to fall I'd suspect It is actually both the snow and the temperature. Our trains are not built to last under the freezing point so the braking system may stop working as the temperature creeps down. That's up for a critical public discussion here just because of the fact that Sweden is so geographically thin and stretched out north to south with huge differences in winter temperatures. We really shouldn't use the same trains - or use "winter compatible" cars all over - but being a small country there's no economic headroom for better adapting the train system. Lots of the Swedish train cars are bought from Germany where they don't have the same issue with a huge temperature span over the nation territory. Rainer, that webcam link was fun! I've been up there and it is horrible, believe me. Seeing that video brings back some fun but not all pleasant memories from that cold area. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 15:21:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAD8B18347F; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292858496; bh=+OyscsBDJ5iUJAlHhmOl8Ncn6/6J1TlRBqQYSmIHjoI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Arrl7Xgs4tNNJNediNUr/Mjh7V7DNS5oNmXfcxd2NywgDuD16UaG4UmlRVET53GpaM/8DNiYbUVH0M9FYeqSMlkmy82c8sYFRtvp35pCwW5hfDL6ggJl/gx/Rp2uIKNmOsiRhaPN3nsaPMHldghSHjW1anfatJ/mI8i9huPUaLA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=N5JG54KmPSzOJaSqn+GnByWOIPinuC/zbSE71laX9rYH7P35Y2+zp31u/oYFC2hQhH1CQJmldFaKdfHyXsLuIxIcibZpz7DV7+qZ8or6tO/NN3t2eLbA1JggwT3pQ3ZI/zvk2Lg+jinabVSpZk47JPz0Q4veEY1HifZZbroINzI=; Message-ID: <877920.43861.qm@web120706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: E5dMtckVM1nheyQH6pqvmtq1YN0qw8GclMUM6zmZDYF9j84 q3p3_fLGt X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:21:36 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: bundle up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-511130881-1292858496=:43861" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:21:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-511130881-1292858496=:43861 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Petri, I love the cold, maybe I should move to Finland. I do have my Canada Goose Snow Mantra parka on when I go out for a stroll... Warmest jacket on the planet made for extreme cold down to 60 below: i usualy never get to wear it, but this winter I am enjoying it http://www.canada-goose.com/products-2/mens/snow-mantra-parka/ ANtony ________________________________ From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 3:25:38 PM Subject: Re: OT: bundle up Minus 13 Celsius in Finland today, by Friday it should be -23 celsius :-D business as usual in Finland... -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ 2010/12/20 hey Per, > > >how can minus 7 paralyze everything in Sweden, doesn't it get a lot colder than >that? > > >I am close to Geneva in the mountains, minus 7 happens all the time; it's true >that Geneva airport is also frozen:-) > > >Maybe we have finally found a way to stop all this needless gas and kerosene >consumption... > > >Antony > > > ________________________________ From: Per Boysen >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 3:16:57 PM >Subject: Re: OT: bundle up > > >Sent from my sofa (no advertisement) > >> On 19 Dec 2010, at 20:24, Gareth Whittock wrote: >>> great! I've been sledging down a hillside all afternoon > >On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:35 AM, mark francombe > wrote: >> Me too!!! I guess we're a bit more used to snow than the UK here in >> Norway.. Its - 12C today bit chilly, not too 'orrible tho.. > >-7 C in lower mid Sweden today (not daring to think about how could it >in north of Sweden now). Shiny sun over the snow white city >landscapes; just got back from a walk out in the white. With polar >clothes you're fine, but it is cold enough to smack up the train, >flight and car traffic system all over the country - just like in the >rest of Europe it seems. People from all over the world stuck at our >airports as planes can't take off. Not hotel rooms for everyone so >they sit at the airport hall floor waiting for hours/days to just talk >to information service and get some advice. I'm away at another city >now visiting my parents and luckily they live close to the water and >since thatis an active flood not yet frozen I can take the ferry into >the city (bus or tramp would be a hazard). Most luckily I don't need >to go anywhere at all right now. Got a train ticket for dec 28 and >hoping things will get better by then. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se >www.perboysen.com >www.looproom.com internet music hub > > > --0-511130881-1292858496=:43861 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Petri,

I love the cold, maybe I should move to Finland. I do have my Canada Goose Snow Mantra parka on when I go out for a stroll... Warmest jacket on the planet made for extreme cold down to 60 below:

i usualy never get to wear it, but this winter I am enjoying it


ANtony

From: Petri Lahtinen <aikuinen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 3:25:38 PM
Subject: Re: OT: bundle up

Minus 13 Celsius in Finland today, by Friday it should be -23 celsius

:-D

business as usual in Finland...

--
Petri Lahtinen
http://www.petrilahtinen.com
http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen
http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/



2010/12/20 <antonyhequet@yahoo.com>
hey Per,

how can minus 7 paralyze everything in Sweden, doesn't it get a lot colder than that?

I am close to Geneva in the mountains, minus 7 happens all the time; it's true that Geneva airport is also frozen:-)

Maybe we have finally found a way to stop all this needless gas and kerosene consumption...

Antony

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 3:16:57 PM
Subject: Re: OT: bundle up

Sent from my sofa (no advertisement)

> On 19 Dec 2010, at 20:24, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> great! I've been sledging down a hillside all afternoon

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:35 AM, mark francombe
<markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
> Me too!!! I guess we're a bit more used to snow than the UK here in
> Norway.. Its - 12C today bit chilly, not too 'orrible tho..

-7 C in lower mid Sweden today (not daring to think about how could it
in north of Sweden now). Shiny sun over the snow white city
landscapes;  just got back from a walk out in the white. With polar
clothes you're fine, but it is cold enough to smack up the train,
flight and car traffic system all over the country - just like in the
rest of Europe it seems. People from all over the world stuck at our
airports as planes can't take off. Not hotel rooms for everyone so
they sit at the airport hall floor waiting for hours/days to just talk
to information service and get some advice. I'm away at another city
now visiting my parents and luckily they live close to the water and
since thatis an active flood not yet frozen I can take the ferry into
the city (bus or tramp would be a hazard). Most luckily I don't need
to go anywhere at all right now. Got a train ticket for dec 28 and
hoping things will get better by then.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub








--0-511130881-1292858496=:43861-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 15:22:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77D76183485; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292858536; bh=8/w3CLef3b0jzteaEAdebHAfs8lwtzn+1C55km5ErcQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n0CZSu+cznAgxEtMafL2+Rr9iP+si3UoJHUij2e7js4I4Up6FRp3QhY2fOjGzjPZYSsxMbHX9EuHkTAxlYDvey5N237dErBshowyCrIdEQ8SRCgH5kQMwUKxDWLHuqH34lbxQWaDvQaBjlC8yAFfWn+kvWUly4hGBjCjtjLb5+s= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ailW6fHwHYGC3xOurWecJb1rD7bfGHYNwWCb6atA50ErLtysH0ad7HbXMscTuK/eL+8i0o6OOYGFyNXeeoN3sYe6PAaKicAsXUyqhm2UY3J3kB5t89/+t7sSgZjPoz8cPkN6OIgxdbR5NLd2A7mnWfvVoaT+MRyv8sDu+ngomiM=; Message-ID: <356726.68254.qm@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pFyG2WYVM1mrjY0v19HV.oW8Fi.Zgxche.h4xm2yeWxGLgD 5Erx6PplaY15L1FbE9kW_yo573G_tc_SzJhHa.AkQQvWwFd0T9FiXdv7QKzE PT7AllO3ooDb_RfetyL5QzmaMapW6uP3FS2LA4_Cs0Nd1mTLwRiLTnXsEWSw djKQxNvrvwamr4QgYxAdN6tEhqfQjENcI_I1BoccsEEC8_EOrK2.OBE1NLC4 SPVy3QbiJJrv53TzD7qQaP.3SUhWKyqgEXEwSTdoGMLfZDCX5.8JmUdaUQPA kysqJgqAHyEEtwiSKlRPaVIJaxiI- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:22:15 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: bundle up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-386831842-1292858535=:68254" Resent-Message-ID: <9l9uyC.A.EtD.qS3DNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:22:18 +0000 (UTC) --0-386831842-1292858535=:68254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rainer,=0A=0A=0Ayou are right, my brain is numb!=0A=0AAntony=0A=0A=0A=0A___= _____________________________=0AFrom: Rainer Straschill =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Mon, December 20,= 2010 3:30:30 PM=0ASubject: OT: bundle up=0A=0Aantonyhequet@yahoo.com schri= eb:=0A> hey Per,=0A> =0A> how can minus 7 paralyze everything in Sweden, do= esn't it get a lot colder than =0A>that?=0A> =0AThe paralysis doesn't come = from the temperature, but from the large amounts of =0Asnow continuing to f= all I'd suspect (which doesn't fall if it gets any colder). =0AEveryone's f= avourite place for automotive business travel in Sweden, Arjeplog, =0Ais 'r= ound -20=B0 right now - here's a webcam: =0Ahttp://bildersammlung.ch/arjepl= og-webcam-live-wetter-webcam-arjeplog-live-cam-torget-schweden/webcam.php= =0A=0A=0A(people go there to test how cars handle when it's really rather c= old...)=0A=0A Rainer=0A=0A-- http://moinlabs.de=0AFollow me on twit= ter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs=0A=0A=0A --0-386831842-1292858535=:68254 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rainer,


you are right, my= brain is numb!

Antony

From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010= 3:30:30 PM
Subject: OT= : bundle up

=0Aantonyhequet@yahoo.com schrieb:> hey Per,
>
> how can minus 7 paralyze everything in Swe= den, doesn't it get a lot colder than that?
>
The paralysis= doesn't come from the temperature, but from the large amounts of snow cont= inuing to fall I'd suspect (which doesn't fall if it gets any colder). Ever= yone's favourite place for automotive business travel in Sweden, Arjeplog, = is 'round -20=B0 right now - here's a webcam: http://bildersammlung.ch/arjeplog-webcam-liv= e-wetter-webcam-arjeplog-live-cam-torget-schweden/webcam.php
=
(people go there to test how cars handle when it's really rather cold..= .)

        Rainer

-- http://moinlabs.de
Follow = me on twitter: ht= tp://twitter.com/moinlabs

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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1576519177-1292859130=:23201" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:32:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-1576519177-1292859130=:23201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark,=0A=0Ait is the overwhelming excess and quantity that I find difficult= to handle: =0Anumbs the brain. It leaves no room for any kind of sensation= other than =0Aadrenalin. I am tired of it. =0A=0AMy boy is now eleven and = pretty level headed, thank god. He likes martial arts =0Acartoons of the es= oteric variety.=0A=0AViolence and confrontation are part of life, but there= are other things too... I =0Aactually spend a fair part of each day practi= cing martial arts of the internal =0Achinese qi gong variety. I can deal wi= th violence when there is a need. i also =0Alearn to deal with my own need= les violence and fear.=0A=0AWhat i despise is the meaningless display of pe= rverse aggression, and you are =0Aright he sicko sex violence that goes wit= h it. What does it mean?=0A=0AAnyway, let#s produce something else:-)=0A=0A= Antony=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: mark francombe <= mark@markfrancombe.com>=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: M= on, December 20, 2010 10:47:25 AM=0ASubject: Re: Epic Octatrack Performance= Sampler Teaser....=0A=0AThanks for the clarification Anthony, and thanks f= or the link Anders.=0A=0AAs to your deeper point Anthony, about accepting v= iolence in our mass media as =0Athe norm. I have to agree that although I d= on't personally find any of it =0Aparticularly offensive, I am also concern= ed as to the AMOUNT of it.=0AEspecially one who has a young child who is en= tering into this new world. It =0Adoes seem sometimes that ALL our films / = entertainment is swimming in gratuitous =0Ablood and gore. The normal fare = that one is presented on hit shows such as C.S =0AI, or Dexter, or House (b= it of a fan of House I must say... I love Hugh Lawrie) =0Ais overwhelming, = and that story lines are only concerned with serial murder, =0Asick sex, te= rrorism or war. Indeed the graphic depiction of such is not =0Aparticularly= different on prime time TV with content that during the 80's was =0Abrande= d as Video Nasties. And I should know, I watched it all!=0A=0AMaybe Im gett= ing old here, but certainly having a young child has focused my =0Aopinion = in the world where they market Spiderman / Batman pajamas to the under =0Af= ives is unacceptable to me. No longer are these icons those of cute 50's co= mic =0Abook moralising about good and evil, no, the films themselves are ra= ted as 11 =0Ayears plus. Not to mention "Freddie" or "Scream" masks. =0A=0A= Indeed, make a search on YouTube (this being the main source of "TV" for ma= ny =0Achildren) for "Video Nasty" you WILL find edit compilations, out of c= ontext, =0Afrom all the worse scenes from Cannibal Holocaust, Snuff, Drille= r Killer.. and I =0Adont want to even think about the YouTube craze for for= cing kids to watch the =0Ascatological porn clip known as 2 girls 2 cup.=0A= =0AAnthony, I COMPLETELY agree with that point you were making... sorry if = I didn't =0Arespond to THAT, its a very important issue, and one that means= that my kids do =0Anot get to watch ANY TELEVISION OR COMPUTER without me = or my wife being present, =0Aand I expect this rule will continue until the= y are teens.=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:42 AM, An= ders Bergdahl =0Awrote:=0A=0ASpecs:=0A>Inte= rnal tracks | Real-time time stretch and pitch shift | 8 recorders | 16 =0A= >instantly available banks | 256 instantly available patterns | 64 step var= iable =0A>length tracks |2 FX blocks per track | 3 LFOs per track | 3 year = Elektron =0A>Warranty=0A>http://www.elektron.se/sites/default/files/product= s/files/Octratrack-Specs.pdf=0A> Lots of info:=A8=0A>http://www.elektron.= se/products/octatrack=0A> =0A>Anders=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A-- =0Amark francombe= =0Awww.markfrancombe.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=0Atwitter @markfrancombe=0Aht= tp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.looop.no=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-1576519177-1292859130=:23201 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark,

it is the overwhelming excess and = quantity that I find difficult to handle: numbs the brain. It leaves no roo= m for any kind of sensation other than adrenalin. I am tired of it. 

My boy is now eleven and pretty level headed, thank= god. He likes martial arts cartoons of the esoteric variety.
Violence and confrontation are part of life, but there are othe= r things too... I actually spend a fair part of each day practicing martial= arts of the internal chinese qi gong variety. I can deal with violence whe= n there is  a need. i also learn to deal with my own needles violence = and fear.

What i despise is the meaningless displa= y of perverse aggression, and you are right he sicko sex violence that goes with it. What does it mean?

Anyway, let#s pr= oduce something else:-)

Antony

From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com
Sent: Mon, Dec= ember 20, 2010 10:47:25 AM
Subject= : Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....
=0AThanks for the clarification Anthony, and thanks for the link Anders.<= br>
As to your deeper point Anthony, about accepting violence in our mas= s media as the norm. I have to agree that although I don't personally find = any of it particularly offensive, I am also concerned as to the AMOUNT of i= t.
=0A=0AEspecially one who has a young child who is entering into this = new world. It does seem sometimes that ALL our films / entertainment is swi= mming in gratuitous blood and gore. The normal fare that one is presented o= n hit shows such as C.S I, or Dexter, or House (bit of a fan of House I mus= t say... I love Hugh Lawrie) is overwhelming, and that story lines are only= concerned with serial murder, sick sex, terrorism or war. Indeed the graph= ic depiction of such is not particularly different on prime time TV with co= ntent that during the 80's was branded as Video Nasties. And I should know,= I watched it all!
=0A=0A
Maybe Im getting old here, but certainly ha= ving a young child has focused my opinion in the world where they market Sp= iderman / Batman pajamas to the under fives is unacceptable to me. No longe= r are these icons those of cute 50's comic book moralising about good and e= vil, no, the films themselves are rated as 11 years plus. Not to mention "F= reddie" or "Scream" masks.
=0A=0AIndeed, make a search on YouTube (this= being the main source of "TV" for many children) for "Video Nasty" you WIL= L find edit compilations, out of context, from all the worse scenes from Ca= nnibal Holocaust, Snuff, Driller Killer.. and I dont want to even think abo= ut the YouTube craze for forcing kids to watch the scatological porn clip k= nown as 2 girls 2 cup.
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Anthony, I COMPLETELY agree with that p= oint you were making... sorry if I didn't respond to THAT, its a very impor= tant issue, and one that means that my kids do not get to watch ANY TELEVIS= ION OR COMPUTER without me or my wife being present, and I expect this rule= will continue until they are teens.
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= =0AInternal tracks | Real-time time stretch and pitch shift | 8 recorders | 16 instantly available banks = | 256 instantly available patterns | 64 step variable l= ength tracks |2 FX blocks per track | 3 LFOs per = track | 3 year Elektron Warranty
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= =0A=0A --0-1576519177-1292859130=:23201-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 15:42:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E73218348B; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292859717; bh=+aEQf02OoWZzHPPrzJfYt/tNya/38Zx9ns7Qif/fyn4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qr0IRhGb24lndqlwe/sToGzwO5LK+SGUNtReuO7sDavdlypDzrioAm9mK+flR8wsk7ISTanXewaTjYOmFWOsTkKlRuKXIOsr8dw7XO4uCgQWTgwi1TJo+G4uctCdRn7bNtiwleWMXbvSMYC+EGzU12tkJe86yTGWrKRtuY4xLaU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sKmAFw5aNqWswV4xVCBflRu8xlY8Bc1hV4qixc70GoHQOsb6ep+4QCDXLpYwB1xy7c77F2OTwwcHgGk2J15m2eG5wt3k5SrpbR0q0qH2nL+Gex87IX2V7aVzgAdHl49tNHOwBN1eEh+WBjZq8EPA3vwAjD0smJUUSCmE744iMyc=; Message-ID: <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AMimDzEVM1l5ylMyQqtRgdz_YzjffrM85cYwUvDZYIw4mmF qOx0W3Hg9pNiqye_vmjdNmGPjXLDZUkY68Tretsa5tNK0ZbhxovX2Qtmob0R yBpqBjp_ItOh7Uc4RinQtzHIRyEBGI8xhLbXynABazxnKLwhrvb2T3w0xKmB E58xH0lYR4_Vf1SSQ7M4S5a1RFPJicrtWcSk3Ldi1pZ0NVaZ3ZVueyvsEIgN tyx_W4g3f8z7BROQt1sixtD17Pkxgl47xutIkaYus6JDkdBiMNxxL7R.LLSN lfp5yv0Li4T71LTLAzBmW X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:41:57 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: bundle up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1937437044-1292859717=:84611" Resent-Message-ID: <6xh0lD.A.21E.Gl3DNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:41:59 +0000 (UTC) --0-1937437044-1292859717=:84611 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Per, strange how our techie world is so fragile. We are going to have big trouble when the climate chaos starts really hitting us. Antony ________________________________ From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 4:01:03 PM Subject: Re: OT: bundle up > antonyhequet@yahoo.com schrieb: >> hey Per, >> >> how can minus 7 paralyze everything in Sweden, doesn't it get a lot colder >> than that? No, not where I live (lower mid part; Stockholm, Gothenburg...). Sweden is a thin and long country, stretching from south to north like Long Tall Sally. On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > The paralysis doesn't come from the temperature, but from the large amounts > of snow continuing to fall I'd suspect It is actually both the snow and the temperature. Our trains are not built to last under the freezing point so the braking system may stop working as the temperature creeps down. That's up for a critical public discussion here just because of the fact that Sweden is so geographically thin and stretched out north to south with huge differences in winter temperatures. We really shouldn't use the same trains - or use "winter compatible" cars all over - but being a small country there's no economic headroom for better adapting the train system. Lots of the Swedish train cars are bought from Germany where they don't have the same issue with a huge temperature span over the nation territory. Rainer, that webcam link was fun! I've been up there and it is horrible, believe me. Seeing that video brings back some fun but not all pleasant memories from that cold area. Per --0-1937437044-1292859717=:84611 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Per,

strange how our techie world is so fragile. We are going  to have big trouble when the climate chaos starts really hitting us.

Antony

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 4:01:03 PM
Subject: Re: OT: bundle up

> antonyhequet@yahoo.com schrieb:
>> hey Per,
>>
>> how can minus 7 paralyze everything in Sweden, doesn't it get a lot colder
>> than that?

No, not where I live (lower mid part; Stockholm, Gothenburg...).
Sweden is a thin and long country, stretching from south to north like
Long Tall Sally.

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Rainer Straschill
<moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
> The paralysis doesn't come from the temperature, but from the large amounts
> of snow continuing to fall I'd suspect

It is actually both the snow and the temperature. Our trains are not
built to last under the freezing point so the braking system may stop
working as the temperature creeps down. That's up for a critical
public discussion here just because of the fact that Sweden is so
geographically thin and stretched out north to south with huge
differences in winter temperatures. We really shouldn't use the same
trains - or use "winter compatible" cars all over - but being a small
country there's no economic headroom for better adapting the train
system. Lots of the Swedish train cars are bought from Germany where
they don't have the same issue with a huge temperature span over the
nation territory.

Rainer, that webcam link was fun! I've been up there and it is
horrible, believe me. Seeing that video brings back some fun but not
all pleasant memories from that cold area.

Per


--0-1937437044-1292859717=:84611-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 15:52:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B13C2183499; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pwDw9unrno2Wk3t0PUs7CZ35eDlbEWswptZDYf5dZVo=; b=bdJveIpLVlzuBRmGjXh66w3InPy1dNKi5BxkoVvKlN83DBLH2FYtvRky7cuW4pojxJ qB97MaCBnrOlAONBi14aHoruTiS0gTR5zhZv/aAvx/oGm+ow9bDoVtOT4Z7ZsMpvj8Q+ hcoXTewJS4HJUYtG8tpxMwI9Opg46f6K6Mfeg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aa+shajIjJkoVqAoAYAQCyounmYY89sqlP0gxFQ7KPP0tGxwRV3l2dVdOuwlQSPd0L c6G6xQ+nMjpTMulk/Yz+0r5xDDwEYU+P8axjJ6QZrcrHk2TNSsNpmW0D64nGLf1IWmll lVEzNJVGs9iw824aIrueZdqQ0WjZ2JZvJ1iOs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:52:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Last wek was rough for us here in Canada. -30, but -50 with windchill facto= r. On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:41 AM, wrote: > Per, > strange how our techie world is so fragile. We are going =A0to have big > trouble when the climate chaos starts really hitting us. > Antony > ________________________________ > From: Per Boysen > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 4:01:03 PM > Subject: Re: OT: bundle up > >> antonyhequet@yahoo.com schrieb: >>> hey Per, >>> >>> how can minus 7 paralyze everything in Sweden, doesn't it get a lot >>> colder >>> than that? > > No, not where I live (lower mid part; Stockholm, Gothenburg...). > Sweden is a thin and long country, stretching from south to north like > Long Tall Sally. > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Rainer Straschill > wrote: >> The paralysis doesn't come from the temperature, but from the large >> amounts >> of snow continuing to fall I'd suspect > > It is actually both the snow and the temperature. Our trains are not > built to last under the freezing point so the braking system may stop > working as the temperature creeps down. That's up for a critical > public discussion here just because of the fact that Sweden is so > geographically thin and stretched out north to south with huge > differences in winter temperatures. We really shouldn't use the same > trains - or use "winter compatible" cars all over - but being a small > country there's no economic headroom for better adapting the train > system. Lots of the Swedish train cars are bought from Germany where > they don't have the same issue with a huge temperature span over the > nation territory. > > Rainer, that webcam link was fun! I've been up there and it is > horrible, believe me. Seeing that video brings back some fun but not > all pleasant memories from that cold area. > > Per > > > --=20 Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 Check out the brand new video for "You"! www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DW7QnxUgGQPc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 15:57:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1668618349D; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=f4WDK9-sdGgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ZNuxQk_pCmqznwJi8MIA:9 a=Eez_GWkYEr0yi3mKmjUA:7 a=76PTrIPzPMcnRMo9hTsK_em5xGAA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=jI77epmzR7sA:10 a=ctLNqxOBd0xyBJC7:21 a=nGzLkmOSZNcNKxW7:21 Message-Id: <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:57:05 -0800 References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi ho, While we're on this important (if very off-topic) topic . . . I have to say that it is so refreshing to hear these sorts of thoughts being expressed on this list. I may be reading a lot more into these statements here than is really being expressed there. And, they might not even be particularly widely-held opinions. However, just the fact that some of my esteemed creative colleagues here also feel like "enough is enough" with the self-absorbed, self- focused, self-actualized, self-stimulating, navel-gazing, orgy of it's all about me-me-me-me-me 24/7 (and violence), that the western world has been in thrall to in for the past 2-3 decades (since the demise of '60s activism), it gives me hope. Even though the forces arrayed against us (and our children) are great, it's encouraging to find that other "creative types" see something of it too. It's all happened because global commercial interests have deliberately warped the initial idealism of the '60s era - because they've found out that it's a million, million times easier to sell unneeded goods and services to hyper-selfish people with obsessive, addictive needs for personal "actualization" and gratification of every imaginable (or often even unimaginable) want or desire, than it is to sell to people who still have that "little moral policeman" in their heads saying "wait, hold off, maybe this isn't the best choice." Why are our children becoming more and more addicted to ever more realistically depicted violence (and remember that video games don't just show you the stuff, they make you participate in it and make choices). Why can't little Johnny or little Suzzie read, but still know every intimate detail of every online game and YouTube meme out there? Why do so many Americans drive monstrous vehicles that are not even remotely practical - and likely as not own 2 of them. Why is Christmas all about the materialistic goodies and presents and hardly about "spiritual" matters at all? Why is America struggling with massive debt and even more massive obesity? Because we can't say "no" to ourselves. People who can't say "no" to themselves make better consumers . . . and better soldiers. People who can't say "no" to themselves will buy themselves into deep debt. People who can't say "no" to themselves will always "super-size" it (and go back for more). People who can't say "no" will argue less when comes the time that their true masters want them to invade another country in their interests. They'll be more inclined to see it as in their own interest, and those other poor people "over there" as just images on a screen and explainable (and even tolerable) as "collateral damage" - and, besides, they existentially "don't matter" because they're "not us". "Enough is enough" I say. Turn the TV off, read a book (preferably and old one). Buy local (or better yet second-hand, used). Make your own. Grow your own. Barter. "Tune out" to mass culture and fashion. Read a "real" newspaper. Eat less and do more. Do things with people, starting with your own family. Join a community of some sort (be a part of something larger than yourself, find something good). Learn to look for good, value/comment/celebrate it in others, cultivate virtues in yourself, and teach them to your children. Be kind, be patient, be others-aware (more than self-aware) . . . and above all, be self-critical. If just a few of us do that, we'll be okay (I think). Cheers, Ted On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:47 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Anthony, I COMPLETELY agree with that point you were making... sorry > if I didn't respond to THAT, its a very important issue, and one > that means that my kids do not get to watch ANY TELEVISION OR > COMPUTER without me or my wife being present, and I expect this rule > will continue until they are teens. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 16:10:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E91651834B0; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QWnusY+RApDAtjbs0gYFfpdUe526jOlegDZZjgqNY4U=; b=nwsKcXmzUHW1l9XEiT28yGwjP+4OSEMRyXzQ7CbuGBtm8kIdNgZPd9Lw/WuLVo2j9+ xGRL/H1DxwWRlP5urik2GAWBwWr/f/qonTxs+7LItfGo9ytFjInT3BGvP1bTJ5QW1T0T APrQkuhTYTZ9/tmpzCmCzxZw1fMAg57LLZAG4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gs/8plyyWwFsF/Gr+7cmazBUwXQ3aFkDFnU47Gkh452dI21s9aQ5qXkHYT1E3ki1yb DW4DkZvyxqD491OyPArqSePaf7OeDJW3t0AXvA8Ze7WEMY9S0HK3iPeHCJAclu41oZPp On3OWObmSXPY1niN/eeTIlp1MSR3JkvteMFNQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:09:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:09:59 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: > Last wek was rough for us here in Canada. -30, but -50 with windchill factor. Wow! That's remarkable. Don't forget your extra underpants!!! ;-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 16:24:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BAA31834BE; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6uwJM5Uw69buEySSb6ChdDIeB9Iwacr4hdJsM13u/gc=; b=gxdRe7uNdLVMlswRtdK5xEGV9Z/r2eRadHacTQ5d8aad6TyQz7nYxrPLySNgcisFbj jFz/A012bZsDVoGRTmSukgwWnK+2074xLub8WAo7JF88swvjNsPQ3VHL0M9ELK0f8tGC eC3ZjLr07UJ454H3PYLV+iOOQjXx6MaJuEemk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Lf+vRZ4RR6VKMVU+mGU7GqNJjgYKIAx3lM3m09CeQ4XHyDrv4G4in/UT8k7DIT2YDm 7C8m0CA5QlbARaO/8Smh4OtW2orOhIMO0cdersNHKxG/bjluRt9rOiynI2aLQ2AoeeUU Dm/lpYRb/Gif3C4KAO/xdx4hOTjvKHAIMe/Zg= Message-ID: <4D0F8344.103@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:24:36 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: meeetings with remarkable sounds References: <20101219173426.64827183473@hemlock.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5A_XvD.A.yEG.IN4DNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Am 19.12.10 20:20, schrieb Michael Peters: > 75 minutes of ambient and experimental improvised music by the duo > "matebb&veloopity" which is my friend Matthias Ebbinghaus and me wonderful soundscapes, love it... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles--------x-- -_____-----------|-----------|-- -(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- - _|_)----|-----()-------------- ---------()----------TJ Shredder http://tjshredder.wordpress.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 16:31:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E415D183497; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DTNp9iZL2mlG/Iiv54eqJjSZdt34E1QbxaM6bcZFjis=; b=SK8abYIBRQ1LSLr+Ytpv7+8NFfdUrr+AHNmD4zIo8sFTr7m96Z8GyTlSNDd4acG02w rCNpa40/Rymij3Xav7KbrpfSqSDqztLo1BiDWsfURU9QakHkkS/5TLkMzMALaCR/YTmj JlZN4i1Vc7k4yH5+yK8l4JKKQRk5T0OLE7AWQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=RixHdg0nNLgdJOHDc4l4Fbkp1BuYFfu9qM4sZdcojaG3rNIB+rXL0w2W5b42xbmtr0 VkdSr3y7t2dY6Vps8UvzA/7JMDyMFWMQkpEm3WWmzHPDNlm9a3CCOyXRO3sDuoexY+eW sUF5+o0d6zZOtfkwgwVVRgfzTxP+cKQ/o0BLk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:31:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... From: Doc Rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f92bf6b292d70497da0d5f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:31:36 +0000 (UTC) --001485f92bf6b292d70497da0d5f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What I find interesting, and also sad, is that the 60s was all about subjectivity, that is, being an individual by turning one's back on the regimented way of life that dominated suburban America and elsewhere. "The Prisoner" was dead on target. However, this was a respectful individualism, an open attitude that quickly got co-opted into selfishness and the whole I me mine trip Ted is talking about. Think of The Beat Generation, which was a bunch of individuals who did not necessarily think of themselves as a group - the grouping was a media invention that actually served to condemn them en masse. The idea of being an individual has been similarly co-opted= . Doc On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wr= ote: > Hi ho, > > While we're on this important (if very off-topic) topic . . . > > I have to say that it is so refreshing to hear these sorts of thoughts > being expressed on this list. > > I may be reading a lot more into these statements here than is really bei= ng > expressed there. > > And, they might not even be particularly widely-held opinions. > > However, just the fact that some of my esteemed creative colleagues here > also feel like "enough is enough" with the self-absorbed, self-focused, > self-actualized, self-stimulating, navel-gazing, orgy of it's all about > me-me-me-me-me 24/7 (and violence), that the western world has been in > thrall to in for the past 2-3 decades (since the demise of '60s activism)= , > it gives me hope. > > Even though the forces arrayed against us (and our children) are great, > it's encouraging to find that other "creative types" see something of it > too. > > It's all happened because global commercial interests have deliberately > warped the initial idealism of the '60s era - because they've found out t= hat > it's a million, million times easier to sell unneeded goods and services = to > hyper-selfish people with obsessive, addictive needs for personal > "actualization" and gratification of every imaginable (or often even > unimaginable) want or desire, than it is to sell to people who still have > that "little moral policeman" in their heads saying "wait, hold off, mayb= e > this isn't the best choice." > > Why are our children becoming more and more addicted to ever more > realistically depicted violence (and remember that video games don't just > show you the stuff, they make you participate in it and make choices). > > Why can't little Johnny or little Suzzie read, but still know every > intimate detail of every online game and YouTube meme out there? > > Why do so many Americans drive monstrous vehicles that are not even > remotely practical - and likely as not own 2 of them. > > Why is Christmas all about the materialistic goodies and presents and > hardly about "spiritual" matters at all? > > Why is America struggling with massive debt and even more massive obesity= ? > > Because we can't say "no" to ourselves. > > People who can't say "no" to themselves make better consumers . . . and > better soldiers. > > People who can't say "no" to themselves will buy themselves into deep deb= t. > > People who can't say "no" to themselves will always "super-size" it (and = go > back for more). > > People who can't say "no" will argue less when comes the time that their > true masters want them to invade another country in their interests. > > They'll be more inclined to see it as in their own interest, and those > other poor people "over there" as just images on a screen and explainable > (and even tolerable) as "collateral damage" - and, besides, they > existentially "don't matter" because they're "not us". > > "Enough is enough" I say. > > Turn the TV off, read a book (preferably and old one). > > Buy local (or better yet second-hand, used). > > Make your own. > > Grow your own. > > Barter. > > "Tune out" to mass culture and fashion. > > Read a "real" newspaper. > > Eat less and do more. > > Do things with people, starting with your own family. > > Join a community of some sort (be a part of something larger than yoursel= f, > find something good). > > Learn to look for good, value/comment/celebrate it in others, cultivate > virtues in yourself, and teach them to your children. > > Be kind, be patient, be others-aware (more than self-aware) . . . and abo= ve > all, be self-critical. > > If just a few of us do that, we'll be okay (I think). > > Cheers, > > Ted > > On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:47 AM, mark francombe wrote: > > Anthony, I COMPLETELY agree with that point you were making... sorry if = I >> didn't respond to THAT, its a very important issue, and one that means t= hat >> my kids do not get to watch ANY TELEVISION OR COMPUTER without me or my = wife >> being present, and I expect this rule will continue until they are teens= . >> > > --001485f92bf6b292d70497da0d5f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What I find interesting, and also sad, is that the 60s was all about subjec= tivity, that is, being an individual by turning one's back on the regim= ented way of life that dominated suburban America and elsewhere. "The = Prisoner" was dead on target. However, this was a respectful individua= lism, an open attitude that quickly got co-opted into selfishness and the w= hole I me mine trip Ted is talking about. =A0Think of The Beat Generation, = which was a bunch of individuals who did not necessarily think of themselve= s as a group - the grouping was a media invention that actually served to c= ondemn them en masse. =A0The idea of being an individual has been similarly= co-opted.

Doc

On Mon, Dec 20, 2= 010 at 4:57 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Hi ho,

While we're on this important (if very off-topic) topic . . .

I have to say that it is so refreshing to hear these sorts of thoughts bein= g expressed on this list.

I may be reading a lot more into these statements here than is really being= expressed there.

And, they might not even be particularly widely-held opinions.

However, just the fact that some of my esteemed creative colleagues here al= so feel like "enough is enough" with the self-absorbed, self-focu= sed, self-actualized, self-stimulating, navel-gazing, orgy of it's all = about me-me-me-me-me 24/7 (and violence), that the western world has been i= n thrall to in for the past 2-3 decades (since the demise of '60s activ= ism), it gives me hope.

Even though the forces arrayed against us (and our children) are great, it&= #39;s encouraging to find that other "creative types" see somethi= ng of it too.

It's all happened because global commercial interests have deliberately= warped the initial idealism of the '60s era - because they've foun= d out that it's a million, million times easier to sell unneeded goods = and services to hyper-selfish people with obsessive, addictive needs for pe= rsonal "actualization" and gratification of every imaginable (or = often even unimaginable) want or desire, than it is to sell to people who s= till have that "little moral policeman" in their heads saying &qu= ot;wait, hold off, maybe this isn't the best choice."

Why are our children becoming more and more addicted to ever more realistic= ally depicted violence (and remember that video games don't just show y= ou the stuff, they make you participate in it and make choices).

Why can't little Johnny or little Suzzie read, but still know every int= imate detail of every online game and YouTube meme out there?

Why do so many Americans drive monstrous vehicles that are not even remotel= y practical - and likely as not own 2 of them.

Why is Christmas all about the materialistic goodies and presents and hardl= y about "spiritual" matters at all?

Why is America struggling with massive debt and even more massive obesity?<= br>
Because we can't say "no" to ourselves.

People who can't say "no" to themselves make better consumers= . . . and better soldiers.

People who can't say "no" to themselves will buy themselves i= nto deep debt.

People who can't say "no" to themselves will always "sup= er-size" it (and go back for more).

People who can't say "no" will argue less when comes the time= that their true masters want them to invade another country in their inter= ests.

They'll be more inclined to see it as in their own interest, and those = other poor people "over there" as just images on a screen and exp= lainable (and even tolerable) as "collateral damage" - and, besid= es, they existentially "don't matter" because they're &qu= ot;not us".

"Enough is enough" I say.

Turn the TV off, read a book (preferably and old one).

Buy local (or better yet second-hand, used).

Make your own.

Grow your own.

Barter.

"Tune out" to mass culture and fashion.

Read a "real" newspaper.

Eat less and do more.

Do things with people, starting with your own family.

Join a community of some sort (be a part of something larger than yourself,= find something good).

Learn to look for good, value/comment/celebrate it in others, cultivate vir= tues in yourself, and teach them to your children.

Be kind, be patient, be others-aware (more than self-aware) . . . and above= all, be self-critical.

If just a few of us do that, we'll be okay (I think).

Cheers,

Ted

On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:47 AM, mark francombe wrote:

Anthony, I COMPLETELY agree with that point you were making... sorry if I d= idn't respond to THAT, its a very important issue, and one that means t= hat my kids do not get to watch ANY TELEVISION OR COMPUTER without me or my= wife being present, and I expect this rule will continue until they are te= ens.


--001485f92bf6b292d70497da0d5f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 16:40:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8692F183489; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292863247; bh=ZYHiRiPNIvwTThcgCNUoSdrJXNNcqQSXz0YUnNbeLOw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SM2vNIpJmxD0BGmcwKwFHO8MTpQ+SNnpoYewNbVjCSlRMUdlioucy3jtIC+oO/E48esuBOtpAbSb9lqP7Qeo+rBw59yQah7WJBDwvcamWtItgNi5GpPDEHYHTuhhP+JoXe31gd9s+gkhR6VbY+Cse1p3ja+Qi1Fge7aXqqHsaqE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Pkiz5jyqw1znIBmgjxzeFHUObZnjyUhGEAjZwitEJpC0iOW6eprFT+S7HqFpoKn2URg0OlV/c1pvPDD78IaWRJUo0WLqY+GKPVf5w7ZNTRo/rWw8F/Vc658IGxcS14ClityMXqclSeM9/EVoCfIapwoTHkR9Dnwgq9KIeqWroio=; Message-ID: <703334.75952.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: se1MA7YVM1lflujmVtXJQyWvk3vLh3LL4FlN6sldwmxwuEv SpKIYte83mtuu3MTyPfR3UmGZXj1PE8_CKCJBWouqwEApRcNY3XiaW2tXGmS 7piKGRRK5jw6guEVhPzvgbg8_0dmdDBSbUTR42XYo4TUipytSU1YpYOBh7RX 68y5NUm9bPISiVfHZFGMvPehkRDu_qfuaT_xd_.Bh496I_a55det6QpKf1aC 2dpIg8rVkWuMCI8mPvA5V7agk.PjhzDnSzRHqvrz2uc1WE3rF5O_ZXAHW_6R OtLOH8IUxL8zms8TiDw03 X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:40:47 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2015078545-1292863247=:75952" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:40:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-2015078545-1292863247=:75952 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey Ted,=0A=0Ayou are right, I want to learn to say no to my greedy needs a= nd find some =0Abalance in my life.=0A=0AAntony=0A=0A=0A=0A________________= ________________=0AFrom: Doc Rossi =0ATo: Loopers-Deli= ght@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Mon, December 20, 2010 5:31:35 PM=0ASubject= : Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack =0APerforma= nce Sampler Teaser....=0A=0AWhat I find interesting, and also sad, is that = the 60s was all about =0Asubjectivity, that is, being an individual by turn= ing one's back on the =0Aregimented way of life that dominated suburban Ame= rica and elsewhere. "The =0APrisoner" was dead on target. However, this was= a respectful individualism, an =0Aopen attitude that quickly got co-opted = into selfishness and the whole I me mine =0Atrip Ted is talking about. Thi= nk of The Beat Generation, which was a bunch of =0Aindividuals who did not = necessarily think of themselves as a group - the =0Agrouping was a media in= vention that actually served to condemn them en masse. =0A The idea of bein= g an individual has been similarly co-opted.=0A=0ADoc=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, De= c 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote:=0A= =0AHi ho,=0A>=0A>While we're on this important (if very off-topic) topic . = . .=0A>=0A>I have to say that it is so refreshing to hear these sorts of th= oughts being =0A>expressed on this list.=0A>=0A>I may be reading a lot more= into these statements here than is really being =0A>expressed there.=0A>= =0A>And, they might not even be particularly widely-held opinions.=0A>=0A>H= owever, just the fact that some of my esteemed creative colleagues here als= o =0A>feel like "enough is enough" with the self-absorbed, self-focused, = =0A>self-actualized, self-stimulating, navel-gazing, orgy of it's all about= =0A>me-me-me-me-me 24/7 (and violence), that the western world has been in= thrall to =0A>in for the past 2-3 decades (since the demise of '60s activi= sm), it gives me =0A>hope.=0A>=0A>Even though the forces arrayed against us= (and our children) are great, it's =0A>encouraging to find that other "cre= ative types" see something of it too.=0A>=0A>It's all happened because glob= al commercial interests have deliberately warped =0A>the initial idealism o= f the '60s era - because they've found out that it's a =0A>million, million= times easier to sell unneeded goods and services to =0A>hyper-selfish peop= le with obsessive, addictive needs for personal =0A>"actualization" and gra= tification of every imaginable (or often even =0A>unimaginable) want or des= ire, than it is to sell to people who still have that =0A>"little moral pol= iceman" in their heads saying "wait, hold off, maybe this isn't =0A>the bes= t choice."=0A>=0A>Why are our children becoming more and more addicted to e= ver more realistically =0A>depicted violence (and remember that video games= don't just show you the stuff, =0A>they make you participate in it and mak= e choices).=0A>=0A>Why can't little Johnny or little Suzzie read, but still= know every intimate =0A>detail of every online game and YouTube meme out t= here?=0A>=0A>Why do so many Americans drive monstrous vehicles that are not= even remotely =0A>practical - and likely as not own 2 of them.=0A>=0A>Why = is Christmas all about the materialistic goodies and presents and hardly = =0A>about "spiritual" matters at all?=0A>=0A>Why is America struggling with= massive debt and even more massive obesity?=0A>=0A>Because we can't say "n= o" to ourselves.=0A>=0A>People who can't say "no" to themselves make better= consumers . . . and better =0A>soldiers.=0A>=0A>People who can't say "no" = to themselves will buy themselves into deep debt.=0A>=0A>People who can't s= ay "no" to themselves will always "super-size" it (and go back =0A>for more= ).=0A>=0A>People who can't say "no" will argue less when comes the time tha= t their true =0A>masters want them to invade another country in their inter= ests.=0A>=0A>They'll be more inclined to see it as in their own interest, a= nd those other =0A>poor people "over there" as just images on a screen and = explainable (and even =0A>tolerable) as "collateral damage" - and, besides,= they existentially "don't =0A>matter" because they're "not us".=0A>=0A>"En= ough is enough" I say.=0A>=0A>Turn the TV off, read a book (preferably and = old one).=0A>=0A>Buy local (or better yet second-hand, used).=0A>=0A>Make y= our own.=0A>=0A>Grow your own.=0A>=0A>Barter.=0A>=0A>"Tune out" to mass cul= ture and fashion.=0A>=0A>Read a "real" newspaper.=0A>=0A>Eat less and do mo= re.=0A>=0A>Do things with people, starting with your own family.=0A>=0A>Joi= n a community of some sort (be a part of something larger than yourself, fi= nd =0A>something good).=0A>=0A>Learn to look for good, value/comment/celebr= ate it in others, cultivate virtues =0A>in yourself, and teach them to your= children.=0A>=0A>Be kind, be patient, be others-aware (more than self-awar= e) . . . and above all, =0A>be self-critical.=0A>=0A>If just a few of us do= that, we'll be okay (I think).=0A>=0A>Cheers,=0A>=0A>Ted=0A>=0A>On Dec 20,= 2010, at 1:47 AM, mark francombe wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>Anthony, I COMPLETELY a= gree with that point you were making... sorry if I didn't =0A>respond to TH= AT, its a very important issue, and one that means that my kids do =0A>not = get to watch ANY TELEVISION OR COMPUTER without me or my wife being present= , =0A>and I expect this rule will continue until they are teens.=0A>>=0A=0A= =0A --0-2015078545-1292863247=:75952 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hey Ted,

you are right, I want to learn = to say no to my greedy needs and find some balance in my life.
Antony

From: Doc Rossi <= ;docittern@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 5:31:35 PM
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA = CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....
=0AWhat I find interesting, and also sad, is that the 60s was all about s= ubjectivity, that is, being an individual by turning one's back on the regi= mented way of life that dominated suburban America and elsewhere. "The Pris= oner" was dead on target. However, this was a respectful individualism, an = open attitude that quickly got co-opted into selfishness and the whole I me= mine trip Ted is talking about.  Think of The Beat Generation, which = was a bunch of individuals who did not necessarily think of themselves as a= group - the grouping was a media invention that actually served to condemn= them en masse.  The idea of being an individual has been similarly co= -opted.
=0A
Doc

On= Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>= wrote:
=0AHi ho,
=0A
=0AWhile we'= re on this important (if very off-topic) topic . . .
=0A
=0AI have to= say that it is so refreshing to hear these sorts of thoughts being express= ed on this list.
=0A
=0AI may be reading a lot more into these statem= ents here than is really being expressed there.
=0A
=0AAnd, they migh= t not even be particularly widely-held opinions.
=0A
=0AHowever, just= the fact that some of my esteemed creative colleagues here also feel like = "enough is enough" with the self-absorbed, self-focused, self-actualized, s= elf-stimulating, navel-gazing, orgy of it's all about me-me-me-me-me 24/7 (= and violence), that the western world has been in thrall to in for the past= 2-3 decades (since the demise of '60s activism), it gives me hope.
=0A= =0A
=0AEven though the forces arrayed against us (and our children) are = great, it's encouraging to find that other "creative types" see something o= f it too.
=0A
=0AIt's all happened because global commercial interest= s have deliberately warped the initial idealism of the '60s era - because t= hey've found out that it's a million, million times easier to sell unneeded= goods and services to hyper-selfish people with obsessive, addictive needs= for personal "actualization" and gratification of every imaginable (or oft= en even unimaginable) want or desire, than it is to sell to people who stil= l have that "little moral policeman" in their heads saying "wait, hold off,= maybe this isn't the best choice."
=0A=0A
=0AWhy are our children be= coming more and more addicted to ever more realistically depicted violence = (and remember that video games don't just show you the stuff, they make you= participate in it and make choices).
=0A
=0AWhy can't little Johnny = or little Suzzie read, but still know every intimate detail of every online= game and YouTube meme out there?
=0A
=0AWhy do so many Americans dri= ve monstrous vehicles that are not even remotely practical - and likely as = not own 2 of them.
=0A
=0AWhy is Christmas all about the materialisti= c goodies and presents and hardly about "spiritual" matters at all?
=0A<= br>=0AWhy is America struggling with massive debt and even more massive obe= sity?
=0A
=0ABecause we can't say "no" to ourselves.
=0A
=0APeo= ple who can't say "no" to themselves make better consumers . . . and better= soldiers.
=0A
=0APeople who can't say "no" to themselves will buy th= emselves into deep debt.
=0A
=0APeople who can't say "no" to themselv= es will always "super-size" it (and go back for more).
=0A
=0APeople = who can't say "no" will argue less when comes the time that their true mast= ers want them to invade another country in their interests.
=0A
=0ATh= ey'll be more inclined to see it as in their own interest, and those other = poor people "over there" as just images on a screen and explainable (and ev= en tolerable) as "collateral damage" - and, besides, they existentially "do= n't matter" because they're "not us".
=0A=0A
=0A"Enough is enough" I = say.
=0A
=0ATurn the TV off, read a book (preferably and old one).=0A
=0ABuy local (or better yet second-hand, used).
=0A
=0AMake y= our own.
=0A
=0AGrow your own.
=0A
=0ABarter.
=0A
=0A"Tun= e out" to mass culture and fashion.
=0A
=0ARead a "real" newspaper.=0A
=0AEat less and do more.
=0A
=0ADo things with people, start= ing with your own family.
=0A
=0AJoin a community of some sort (be a = part of something larger than yourself, find something good).
=0A
=0A= Learn to look for good, value/comment/celebrate it in others, cultivate vir= tues in yourself, and teach them to your children.
=0A
=0ABe kind, be= patient, be others-aware (more than self-aware) . . . and above all, be se= lf-critical.
=0A
=0AIf just a few of us do that, we'll be okay (I thi= nk).
=0A
=0ACheers,
=0A
=0ATed
=0A
=0AOn Dec 20, 2010, at= 1:47 AM, mark francombe wrote:
=0A
=0A
=0A=0A=0A

=0A= =0A --0-2015078545-1292863247=:75952-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 16:40:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5119B1834A6; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4TM3gkFMGuPHy70V4c3hH/Hxv2eEXHQIlkDyGNtZiyg=; b=oTgf1lWC9oIEcNVmIQpY5UHQQLtxdzoaD/CF+ffmI3a1xtHFIjn2gfGMwMSmXb14A4 vUkNDa/5vhRSoeDcJGGY8N1qyePhrvVzPlV2qUcAjFNXeArxvRHQUSHRL+wK0WE39nXu nIyL+6DRDeOvY68v5j1L6yPNlKpT762QSThic= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pWcdSnzjaipj72REywfOr/vQgsluEmX1rXnpMsORZhjf7e+U5QHa3OcP0YTz18Py7x Nc2wq3Mki2s220Et3MWst6Q52KiBQ74ArVxEdawZ/5GwsshdiFaZkfv0klUx9HqTqrkY eL5YyKYRIRaSE1HqAAL4+pltIW6locDGqCZ8Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:40:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Great post, Ted! : On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, tEd =C2=AE KiLLiAn wrote: > Turn the TV off, I don't even own a TV :-) > read a book (preferably and old one). It just hit me, when reading the part of your post talking about "saying no to yourself", that one old book that well describes these thoughts is "Siddharta" by Herman Hesse. I like everything I've read by that guy. Yes, old books they are - but in 2011 suddenly just right on the spot! Damn, I'll buy a bunch of them for my sons as X-mas gifts. Thank you, Ted, one more daily issue solved!! ;-)) Last X-mas I gave them another book - whatever it is called in English (The Prince..?) - by that Italian guy that lived some four or... ah yeah MACCIAVELLI, that was his name. He was the first class couch for kings and just about anyone who had more powerz than brainz back in the dayz. And Maciavelly really taught The Path of The Snake (rather than the Path of The Eagle, known as the "good guy's" choice... och OFF-Toppic-ing into esotherics here.... sorry, back on track we go). But this book has to be discussed if handed over to... not just young people, anyone! Because M's sinister methods still work and are practiced daily by politicians and other decision makers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 17:24:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 469201834AE; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 626 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:24:02 UTC Message-ID: From: "Erdem Helvacioglu" To: Subject: top ten list of 2010 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:11:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01CBA079.A7AB00C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:24:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01CBA079.A7AB00C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey loopers, the "sub city 2064" album has been included at the "top 10 albums of = 2010" list of the blogcritics along with artists such Lou Reed, Laurie = Anderson etc. http://blogcritics.org/music/article/my-favorite-listens-of-2010/page-3/ thanks and best. www.erdemhelvacioglu.com New duo album with Per Boysen out now. http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com = = ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01CBA079.A7AB00C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hey loopers,
 
the "sub city 2064" album has been = included at the=20 "top 10 albums of 2010" list of the blogcritics along with artists such = Lou=20 Reed, Laurie Anderson etc.
 
http://blogcritics.org/music/article/my-favorite-listens-of-2010= /page-3/
 
thanks and best.
 
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
 
New duo album with Per Boysen out = now.
http://erdemhel= vaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com
= = ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01CBA079.A7AB00C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 18:14:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E12641834A6; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:14:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=6.0 tests=RDNS_NONE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on host.newworlddelivery.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:14:17 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Turn the TV off, > > I don't even own a TV :-) I have an old TV set but it is only used as a "monitor" for my DVD player and my (yes old but still works great) VCR. Otherwise, I am now nearing *23 years* of NOT watching tee vee....ANY tee vee. Why bother? It's usually vapid crap anyway and mostly a mind rot and more specifically, a means to better serve commercial interests and promote more Materialism and mass consumption (and WASTE) and other mind numbing stupidity and ignorance. One has to only know about (haha) "fair and balanced" Faux Fraudcasting and "news" and "entertainment" for how LOW this can go. (and with no end in sight) Books and other things are far more important and WORTHY and enriching etc. (and they don't add to your electrical utility bill, either!) There's also a book that came out YEARS ago (1978!) that I'll eventually read entitled "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" by Jerry Mander. The title alone was what hooked me into wanting to check it out. It is next in line to read after I finish the excellent and INTENSE biography and study of Gyorgy Ligeti. On the subject of the 60's, for a REAL "trip" (haha), check out the 2DVD autobiographical film by singer / poet Donovan entitled (what else?) 'Sunshine Superman'. It is GREAT and has a LOT of old and RARE footage from the 60's, going back as far as 1963, or 1965 or so and on through the next couple of decades and on up to very recent years. The main disc is THREE HOURS LONG and is a LOT of fun!. I've not seen the bonus disc yet, but I know it is not nearly as long, but will still likely have some great surprises and more fun. The set also has a great little booklet and comes in a *beautiful* full color box. Definitely REVcommended! Cheers, Rev.Fever Portland,OR The Angry Red Planet (AKA-USA) http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever PS- I see that the LA Times recently came out with an editorial slamming Faux Fraudcasting. Excellent. It's about damn time and LONG overdue that something other than the alternative and independent media did this. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed- foxnews-20101217,0,6952663.story >> read a book (preferably and old one). > > It just hit me, when reading the part of your post talking about > "saying no to yourself", that one old book that well describes these > thoughts is "Siddharta" by Herman Hesse. I like everything I've read > by that guy. Yes, old books they are - but in 2011 suddenly just right > on the spot! Damn, I'll buy a bunch of them for my sons as X-mas > gifts. Thank you, Ted, one more daily issue solved!! ;-)) > > Last X-mas I gave them another book - whatever it is called in English > (The Prince..?) - by that Italian guy that lived some four or... ah > yeah MACCIAVELLI, that was his name. He was the first class couch for > kings and just about anyone who had more powerz than brainz back in > the dayz. And Maciavelly really taught The Path of The Snake (rather > than the Path of The Eagle, known as the "good guy's" choice... och > OFF-Toppic-ing into esotherics here.... sorry, back on track we go). > But this book has to be discussed if handed over to... not just young > people, anyone! Because M's sinister methods still work and are > practiced daily by politicians and other decision makers. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli > > Per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 19:20:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1365183479; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292872849; bh=t9IenBWwCzNAq5vA96yov1uI35jUREqm5Fddd9LN2f8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3Lrj5v8v81gRJTngBZ0GnKgqmASpi1Z8nT4xUbcin5hJwUlR7Zo8r8rAeTkdT8GBWVCevD9mlmqMdj28wolcu1jgwtw6LrJ78YfL6NPfEhR+U49MWKuHAPL8wWMiSKshcdLvlfPb10kdd0zaghfvOjzzdgBrZs83SSe2fwghujU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PYLRdwj+WhsFnrbnd66dFoHt8NIbKRpR0RSOK8qZOQ5LufpAgeYHX24jr8tX6hhgoRYB7tuj1ofe3s/RcM6mHjVRlhIGnP7N/FzQrH/433u1wEMdsGmiJ0nTUlrOSbprjBIVFaheKquz0Z3LOkwxGGTtdqY9TlwcH1QQy0Xifjc=; Message-ID: <744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Whi0sakVM1m7DNa5hP6p5NebuJ9BgZamyGov4BnSPHocELB yoDrVcCCDkCm7E8MkIMqa_B5qxkmDWdEPk16AcUMwzTuHrw23S7TONvOaaht TIn0BgsOXbda092JTE0x3EUsxbXg12wU3xbnnLhiC7ACC.3e814k4uOmP868 iTKpgIsYD_h7qeXXMgYu62KP2LUg9jmn9esp.uUYWY3TW00mKsjM5HK4ApT2 qg6vWSTxnieqD6Bmw2Z6V5vTiICtu45hBXqIVBVzJg3LHDDTDWzn4Z4oeFpj ZroePlG1s_nWVnUsRA4diwGA- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:20:49 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="855259926-1566299304-1292872849=:67553" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:20:51 +0000 (UTC) --855259926-1566299304-1292872849=:67553 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey Rev, I have not owned a Tv for the past 20 years, and it does wonders for your skin! Antony ________________________________ From: Revfever To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 7:14:06 PM Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Turn the TV off, > > I don't even own a TV :-) I have an old TV set but it is only used as a "monitor" for my DVD player and my (yes old but still works great) VCR. Otherwise, I am now nearing *23 years* of NOT watching tee vee....ANY tee vee. Why bother? It's usually vapid crap anyway and mostly a mind rot and more specifically, a means to better serve commercial interests and promote more Materialism and mass consumption (and WASTE) and other mind numbing stupidity and ignorance. One has to only know about (haha) "fair and balanced" Faux Fraudcasting and "news" and "entertainment" for how LOW this can go. (and with no end in sight) Books and other things are far more important and WORTHY and enriching etc. (and they don't add to your electrical utility bill, either!) There's also a book that came out YEARS ago (1978!) that I'll eventually read entitled "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" by Jerry Mander. The title alone was what hooked me into wanting to check it out. It is next in line to read after I finish the excellent and INTENSE biography and study of Gyorgy Ligeti. On the subject of the 60's, for a REAL "trip" (haha), check out the 2DVD autobiographical film by singer / poet Donovan entitled (what else?) 'Sunshine Superman'. It is GREAT and has a LOT of old and RARE footage from the 60's, going back as far as 1963, or 1965 or so and on through the next couple of decades and on up to very recent years. The main disc is THREE HOURS LONG and is a LOT of fun!. I've not seen the bonus disc yet, but I know it is not nearly as long, but will still likely have some great surprises and more fun. The set also has a great little booklet and comes in a *beautiful* full color box. Definitely REVcommended! Cheers, Rev.Fever Portland,OR The Angry Red Planet (AKA-USA) http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever PS- I see that the LA Times recently came out with an editorial slamming Faux Fraudcasting. Excellent. It's about damn time and LONG overdue that something other than the alternative and independent media did this. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-foxnews-20101217,0,6952663.story >> read a book (preferably and old one). > > It just hit me, when reading the part of your post talking about > "saying no to yourself", that one old book that well describes these > thoughts is "Siddharta" by Herman Hesse. I like everything I've read > by that guy. Yes, old books they are - but in 2011 suddenly just right > on the spot! Damn, I'll buy a bunch of them for my sons as X-mas > gifts. Thank you, Ted, one more daily issue solved!! ;-)) > > Last X-mas I gave them another book - whatever it is called in English > (The Prince..?) - by that Italian guy that lived some four or... ah > yeah MACCIAVELLI, that was his name. He was the first class couch for > kings and just about anyone who had more powerz than brainz back in > the dayz. And Maciavelly really taught The Path of The Snake (rather > than the Path of The Eagle, known as the "good guy's" choice... och > OFF-Toppic-ing into esotherics here.... sorry, back on track we go). > But this book has to be discussed if handed over to... not just young > people, anyone! Because M's sinister methods still work and are > practiced daily by politicians and other decision makers. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli > > Per > --855259926-1566299304-1292872849=:67553 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
hey Rev,

I have not owned a Tv for the past 20 years, and it does wonders for your skin!

Antony

From: Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 7:14:06 PM
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE

On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

>> Turn the TV off,
>
> I don't even own a TV :-)

I have an old TV set but it is only used as a "monitor" for my DVD player and my (yes old but still works great) VCR. Otherwise, I am now nearing *23 years*
of NOT watching tee vee....ANY tee vee. Why bother? It's usually vapid crap anyway and mostly a mind rot and more specifically, a means to better serve
commercial interests and promote more Materialism and mass consumption (and WASTE) and other mind numbing stupidity and ignorance.
One has to only know about (haha) "fair and balanced" Faux Fraudcasting and "news" and "entertainment" for how LOW this can go. (and with no end in sight)

Books and other things are far more important and WORTHY and enriching etc. (and they don't add to your electrical utility bill, either!)

There's also a book that came out YEARS ago (1978!) that I'll eventually read entitled "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" by Jerry Mander.
The title alone was what hooked me into wanting to check it out. It is next in line to read after I finish the excellent and INTENSE biography and study of Gyorgy Ligeti.

On the subject of the 60's, for a REAL "trip" (haha), check out the 2DVD autobiographical film by singer / poet Donovan entitled (what else?) 'Sunshine Superman'.
It is GREAT and has a LOT of old and RARE  footage from the 60's, going back as far as 1963, or 1965 or so and on through the next couple of decades and on
up to very recent years. The main disc is THREE HOURS LONG and is a LOT of fun!. I've not seen the bonus disc yet, but I know it is not nearly as long, but will
still likely have some great surprises and more fun. The set also has a great little booklet and comes in a *beautiful* full color box. Definitely REVcommended!

Cheers,
Rev.Fever
Portland,OR
The Angry Red Planet (AKA-USA)
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever

PS- I see that the LA Times recently came out with an editorial slamming Faux Fraudcasting. Excellent. It's about damn time and LONG overdue that something
other than the alternative and independent media did this.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-foxnews-20101217,0,6952663.story


>> read a book (preferably and old one).
>
> It just hit me, when reading the part of your post talking about
> "saying no to yourself", that one old book that well describes these
> thoughts is "Siddharta" by Herman Hesse. I like everything I've read
> by that guy. Yes, old books they are - but in 2011 suddenly just right
> on the spot! Damn, I'll buy a bunch of them for my sons as X-mas
> gifts. Thank you, Ted, one more daily issue solved!! ;-))
>
> Last X-mas I gave them another book - whatever it is called in English
> (The Prince..?) - by that Italian guy that lived some four or... ah
> yeah MACCIAVELLI, that was his name. He was the first class couch for
> kings and just about anyone who had more powerz than brainz back in
> the dayz. And Maciavelly really taught The Path of The Snake (rather
> than the Path of The Eagle, known as the "good guy's" choice... och
> OFF-Toppic-ing into esotherics here.... sorry, back on track we go).
> But this book has to be discussed if handed over to... not just young
> people, anyone! Because M's sinister methods still work and are
> practiced daily by politicians and other decision makers.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli
>
> Per
>


--855259926-1566299304-1292872849=:67553-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 20:05:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FADA183456; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ic3fnL/2IMls4UTa8E8k5J2eTzme2Uug6fUNTNqm0Q0=; b=Wa5Ox10DfHR7dszs83TC6iPTWE+MWl9JN2O24tMTIthd9Ws39m1FKEJyaqh6gcKAIW NWfZmB51aaXgcEu5lkwZGG2PWY3G6Ae+C3EJT1ZbJkuJl3rvAMPdNHPAh6VGLeostyjy DZnWSr53qVZtiLJgnIDveVrTH8gbyEp/TCsXY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=K0w4BqIy4p5MD6SdFDvsXZxkaGorCSa1CmOn4z1bxEH/jrj6y/ewREoFEsMOxSEvCU tqzB9p+am3rZQ8SzxGh7tPpOZ9EjBDHEiQfQmpmO+VAyIlofNGEnQQWMAzGt/b42R5gF bNjU9sncSVcvod333lq4xYEjHSzLC+VbfBLPM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> <744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:05:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a3379361f20497dd0b69 Resent-Message-ID: <5DvaPC.A.ZAE.Zc7DNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:05:46 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a3379361f20497dd0b69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 same here, no tv set for the past 10 years I feel fine 2010/12/20 > hey Rev, > > I have not owned a Tv for the past 20 years, and it does wonders for your > skin! > > Antony > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Revfever > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Mon, December 20, 2010 7:14:06 PM > *Subject:* Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE > > On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > >> Turn the TV off, > > > > I don't even own a TV :-) > > I have an old TV set but it is only used as a "monitor" for my DVD player > and my (yes old but still works great) VCR. Otherwise, I am now nearing *23 > years* > of NOT watching tee vee....ANY tee vee. Why bother? It's usually vapid crap > anyway and mostly a mind rot and more specifically, a means to better serve > commercial interests and promote more Materialism and mass consumption (and > WASTE) and other mind numbing stupidity and ignorance. > One has to only know about (haha) "fair and balanced" Faux Fraudcasting and > "news" and "entertainment" for how LOW this can go. (and with no end in > sight) > > Books and other things are far more important and WORTHY and enriching etc. > (and they don't add to your electrical utility bill, either!) > > There's also a book that came out YEARS ago (1978!) that I'll eventually > read entitled "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" by Jerry > Mander. > The title alone was what hooked me into wanting to check it out. It is next > in line to read after I finish the excellent and INTENSE biography and study > of Gyorgy Ligeti. > > On the subject of the 60's, for a REAL "trip" (haha), check out the 2DVD > autobiographical film by singer / poet Donovan entitled (what else?) > 'Sunshine Superman'. > It is GREAT and has a LOT of old and RARE footage from the 60's, going > back as far as 1963, or 1965 or so and on through the next couple of decades > and on > up to very recent years. The main disc is THREE HOURS LONG and is a LOT of > fun!. I've not seen the bonus disc yet, but I know it is not nearly as long, > but will > still likely have some great surprises and more fun. The set also has a > great little booklet and comes in a *beautiful* full color box. Definitely > REVcommended! > > Cheers, > Rev.Fever > Portland,OR > The Angry Red Planet (AKA-USA) > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > > PS- I see that the LA Times recently came out with an editorial slamming > Faux Fraudcasting. Excellent. It's about damn time and LONG overdue that > something > other than the alternative and independent media did this. > > http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-foxnews-20101217,0,6952663.story > > > >> read a book (preferably and old one). > > > > It just hit me, when reading the part of your post talking about > > "saying no to yourself", that one old book that well describes these > > thoughts is "Siddharta" by Herman Hesse. I like everything I've read > > by that guy. Yes, old books they are - but in 2011 suddenly just right > > on the spot! Damn, I'll buy a bunch of them for my sons as X-mas > > gifts. Thank you, Ted, one more daily issue solved!! ;-)) > > > > Last X-mas I gave them another book - whatever it is called in English > > (The Prince..?) - by that Italian guy that lived some four or... ah > > yeah MACCIAVELLI, that was his name. He was the first class couch for > > kings and just about anyone who had more powerz than brainz back in > > the dayz. And Maciavelly really taught The Path of The Snake (rather > > than the Path of The Eagle, known as the "good guy's" choice... och > > OFF-Toppic-ing into esotherics here.... sorry, back on track we go). > > But this book has to be discussed if handed over to... not just young > > people, anyone! Because M's sinister methods still work and are > > practiced daily by politicians and other decision makers. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli > > > > Per > > > > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a3379361f20497dd0b69 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable same here, no tv set for the past 10 years

I feel fine

2010/12/20 <antonyhequet@yahoo.com>
hey Rev,

I have not owned a Tv for the pas= t 20 years, and it does wonders for your skin!

Ant= ony
=
From: Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com
Sent: M= on, December 20, 2010 7:14:06 PM
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTIN= G MASS MEDIA CULTURE

On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

>> Turn the TV = off,
>
> I don't even own a TV :-)

I have an old TV= set but it is only used as a "monitor" for my DVD player and my = (yes old but still works great) VCR. Otherwise, I am now nearing *23 years*=
of NOT watching tee vee....ANY tee vee. Why bother? It's usually vapid = crap anyway and mostly a mind rot and more specifically, a means to better = serve
commercial interests and promote more Materialism and mass consump= tion (and WASTE) and other mind numbing stupidity and ignorance.
One has to only know about (haha) "fair and balanced" Faux Fraudc= asting and "news" and "entertainment" for how LOW this = can go. (and with no end in sight)

Books and other things are far mo= re important and WORTHY and enriching etc. (and they don't add to your = electrical utility bill, either!)

There's also a book that came out YEARS ago (1978!) that I'll e= ventually read entitled "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" by J= erry Mander.
The title alone was what hooked me into wanting to check it= out. It is next in line to read after I finish the excellent and INTENSE b= iography and study of Gyorgy Ligeti.

On the subject of the 60's, for a REAL "trip" (haha), che= ck out the 2DVD autobiographical film by singer / poet Donovan entitled (wh= at else?) 'Sunshine Superman'.
It is GREAT and has a LOT of old = and RARE=A0 footage from the 60's, going back as far as 1963, or 1965 o= r so and on through the next couple of decades and on
up to very recent years. The main disc is THREE HOURS LONG and is a LOT of = fun!. I've not seen the bonus disc yet, but I know it is not nearly as = long, but will
still likely have some great surprises and more fun. The = set also has a great little booklet and comes in a *beautiful* full color b= ox. Definitely REVcommended!

Cheers,
Rev.Fever
Portland,OR
The Angry Red Planet (AKA-USA)
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever
PS- I see that the LA Times recently came out with an editorial slammi= ng Faux Fraudcasting. Excellent. It's about damn time and LONG overdue = that something
other than the alternative and independent media did this.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/edito= rials/la-ed-foxnews-20101217,0,6952663.story


>> read a book (preferably and old one).
>
> It = just hit me, when reading the part of your post talking about
> "= ;saying no to yourself", that one old book that well describes these > thoughts is "Siddharta" by Herman Hesse. I like everything I= 've read
> by that guy. Yes, old books they are - but in 2011 sud= denly just right
> on the spot! Damn, I'll buy a bunch of them for my sons as X-mas
> = gifts. Thank you, Ted, one more daily issue solved!! ;-))
>
> = Last X-mas I gave them another book - whatever it is called in English
> (The Prince..?) - by that Italian guy that lived some four or... ah> yeah MACCIAVELLI, that was his name. He was the first class couch for=
> kings and just about anyone who had more powerz than brainz back i= n
> the dayz. And Maciavelly really taught The Path of The Snake (rather> than the Path of The Eagle, known as the "good guy's" = choice... och
> OFF-Toppic-ing into esotherics here.... sorry, back o= n track we go).
> But this book has to be discussed if handed over to... not just young<= br>> people, anyone! Because M's sinister methods still work and are=
> practiced daily by politicians and other decision makers.
> =
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli
>
> Per
>





--
Petri Lahti= nen
http://www.petrilahtinen.co= m
http://petrilahtine= n.blogspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/pet= rilahtinen
http://twitt= er.com/PetriLahtinen
= http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
---------------------------------------------------
"Only become pr= ofessional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
--------= -------------------------------------------
"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-
--20cf3054a3379361f20497dd0b69-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 20:13:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D1FB18345A; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c9a725dd-2030-417f-afeb-4069f7d8be6c_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:13:50 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<726302687839749391@unknownmsgid>,,<916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid>,,,<971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net>,,,<744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2010 20:13:51.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B193D80:01CBA082] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:13:53 +0000 (UTC) --_c9a725dd-2030-417f-afeb-4069f7d8be6c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ..And I'm still getting threatening letters from the good old BBC telling m= e I'm under investigation for not having a f**cking TV licence. It's assumed that everyone has one it seems.. Cant' wait till I don't actually have a terrestrial address next year - tha= t's gonna be a whole new can of worms.. Peace G Date: Mon=2C 20 Dec 2010 22:05:44 +0200 Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE From: aikuinen@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com same here=2C no tv set for the past 10 years I feel fine 2010/12/20 hey Rev=2C I have not owned a Tv for the past 20 years=2C and it does wonders for your= skin! Antony From: Revfever To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon=2C December 20=2C 2010 7:14:06 PM Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE On Dec 20=2C 2010=2C at 8:40 AM=2C Per Boysen wrote: >> Turn the TV off=2C >=20 > I don't even own a TV :-) I have an old TV set but it is only used as a "monitor" for my DVD player a= nd my (yes old but still works great) VCR. Otherwise=2C I am now nearing *2= 3 years* of NOT watching tee vee....ANY tee vee. Why bother? It's usually vapid crap= anyway and mostly a mind rot and more specifically=2C a means to better se= rve commercial interests and promote more Materialism and mass consumption (and= WASTE) and other mind numbing stupidity and ignorance. One has to only know about (haha) "fair and balanced" Faux Fraudcasting and= "news" and "entertainment" for how LOW this can go. (and with no end in si= ght) Books and other things are far more important and WORTHY and enriching etc.= (and they don't add to your electrical utility bill=2C either!) There's also a book that came out YEARS ago (1978!) that I'll eventually re= ad entitled "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" by Jerry Mande= r. The title alone was what hooked me into wanting to check it out. It is next= in line to read after I finish the excellent and INTENSE biography and stu= dy of Gyorgy Ligeti. On the subject of the 60's=2C for a REAL "trip" (haha)=2C check out the 2DV= D autobiographical film by singer / poet Donovan entitled (what else?) 'Sun= shine Superman'. It is GREAT and has a LOT of old and RARE footage from the 60's=2C going b= ack as far as 1963=2C or 1965 or so and on through the next couple of decad= es and on up to very recent years. The main disc is THREE HOURS LONG and is a LOT of = fun!. I've not seen the bonus disc yet=2C but I know it is not nearly as lo= ng=2C but will still likely have some great surprises and more fun. The set also has a gre= at little booklet and comes in a *beautiful* full color box. Definitely REV= commended! Cheers=2C Rev.Fever Portland=2COR The Angry Red Planet (AKA-USA) http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever PS- I see that the LA Times recently came out with an editorial slamming Fa= ux Fraudcasting. Excellent. It's about damn time and LONG overdue that some= thing other than the alternative and independent media did this. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-foxnews-20101217=2C0= =2C6952663.story >> read a book (preferably and old one). >=20 > It just hit me=2C when reading the part of your post talking about > "saying no to yourself"=2C that one old book that well describes these > thoughts is "Siddharta" by Herman Hesse. I like everything I've read > by that guy. Yes=2C old books they are - but in 2011 suddenly just right > on the spot! Damn=2C I'll buy a bunch of them for my sons as X-mas > gifts. Thank you=2C Ted=2C one more daily issue solved!! =3B-)) >=20 > Last X-mas I gave them another book - whatever it is called in English > (The Prince..?) - by that Italian guy that lived some four or... ah > yeah MACCIAVELLI=2C that was his name. He was the first class couch for > kings and just about anyone who had more powerz than brainz back in > the dayz. And Maciavelly really taught The Path of The Snake (rather > than the Path of The Eagle=2C known as the "good guy's" choice... och > OFF-Toppic-ing into esotherics here.... sorry=2C back on track we go). > But this book has to be discussed if handed over to... not just young > people=2C anyone! Because M's sinister methods still work and are > practiced daily by politicians and other decision makers. >=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli >=20 > Per >=20 =20 --=20 Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Ch= arles Bukowski- = --_c9a725dd-2030-417f-afeb-4069f7d8be6c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ..And I'm still getting threatening letters from the good old BBC telling m= e I'm under investigation for not having a f**cking TV licence.
It's ass= umed that everyone has one it seems..
Cant' wait till I don't actually h= ave a terrestrial address next year - that's gonna be a whole new can of wo= rms..

Peace

G

Date: Mon=2C 20 = Dec 2010 22:05:44 +0200
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTUREFrom: aikuinen@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
same here=2C no tv set for the past 10 years

I feel fine

2010/12/20 <=3Bantonyhequet@yahoo.com>=3B
hey Rev=2C

I have not owned a Tv f= or the past 20 years=2C and it does wonders for your skin!

Antony

From: Revfever <=3Brevfever@ubergadget.com>=3B
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon=2C December 20=2C 2010 7:14:06 PM
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECT= ING MASS MEDIA CULTURE

On Dec 20=2C 2010=2C at 8:40 AM=2C Per Boysen wrote:

>=3B>=3B Tu= rn the TV off=2C
>=3B
>=3B I don't even own a TV :-)

I ha= ve an old TV set but it is only used as a "monitor" for my DVD player and m= y (yes old but still works great) VCR. Otherwise=2C I am now nearing *23 ye= ars*
of NOT watching tee vee....ANY tee vee. Why bother? It's usually vapid crap= anyway and mostly a mind rot and more specifically=2C a means to better se= rve
commercial interests and promote more Materialism and mass consumpti= on (and WASTE) and other mind numbing stupidity and ignorance.
One has to only know about (haha) "fair and balanced" Faux Fraudcasting and= "news" and "entertainment" for how LOW this can go. (and with no end in si= ght)

Books and other things are far more important and WORTHY and en= riching etc. (and they don't add to your electrical utility bill=2C either!= )

There's also a book that came out YEARS ago (1978!) that I'll eventuall= y read entitled "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" by Jerry Mande= r.
The title alone was what hooked me into wanting to check it out. It i= s next in line to read after I finish the excellent and INTENSE biography a= nd study of Gyorgy Ligeti.

On the subject of the 60's=2C for a REAL "trip" (haha)=2C check out the= 2DVD autobiographical film by singer / poet Donovan entitled (what else?) = 'Sunshine Superman'.
It is GREAT and has a LOT of old and RARE =3B f= ootage from the 60's=2C going back as far as 1963=2C or 1965 or so and on t= hrough the next couple of decades and on
up to very recent years. The main disc is THREE HOURS LONG and is a LOT of = fun!. I've not seen the bonus disc yet=2C but I know it is not nearly as lo= ng=2C but will
still likely have some great surprises and more fun. The = set also has a great little booklet and comes in a *beautiful* full color b= ox. Definitely REVcommended!

Cheers=2C
Rev.Fever
Portland=2COR
The Angry Red Planet (AKA-USA)
http://www.spirit= one.com/~rvfever

PS- I see that the LA Times recently cam= e out with an editorial slamming Faux Fraudcasting. Excellent. It's about d= amn time and LONG overdue that something
other than the alternative and independent media did this.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-foxnews-= 20101217=2C0=2C6952663.story


>=3B>=3B read a book (preferably and old one).
>=3B
&g= t=3B It just hit me=2C when reading the part of your post talking about
= >=3B "saying no to yourself"=2C that one old book that well describes the= se
>=3B thoughts is "Siddharta" by Herman Hesse. I like everything I've read=
>=3B by that guy. Yes=2C old books they are - but in 2011 suddenly ju= st right
>=3B on the spot! Damn=2C I'll buy a bunch of them for my sons as X-mas
>=3B = gifts. Thank you=2C Ted=2C one more daily issue solved!! =3B-))
>=3B <= br>>=3B Last X-mas I gave them another book - whatever it is called in En= glish
>=3B (The Prince..?) - by that Italian guy that lived some four or... ah<= br>>=3B yeah MACCIAVELLI=2C that was his name. He was the first class cou= ch for
>=3B kings and just about anyone who had more powerz than brain= z back in
>=3B the dayz. And Maciavelly really taught The Path of The Snake (rather=
>=3B than the Path of The Eagle=2C known as the "good guy's" choice..= . och
>=3B OFF-Toppic-ing into esotherics here.... sorry=2C back on tr= ack we go).
>=3B But this book has to be discussed if handed over to... not just youn= g
>=3B people=2C anyone! Because M's sinister methods still work and a= re
>=3B practiced daily by politicians and other decision makers.
&= gt=3B
>=3B http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2= _Machiavelli
>=3B
>=3B Per
>=3B





--
Petri Lahti= nen
http://www.petrilahtinen.com
http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen
ht= tp://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
---------------------------------------------------
"Only become profess= ional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
------------------= ---------------------------------
"Some people never go crazy. What trul= y horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-

= --_c9a725dd-2030-417f-afeb-4069f7d8be6c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 20:16:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FC2618345A; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=zPbouhyv1wuQllQGWrI+yuLkhKmbvPGMrZkQZe0inAE=; b=JdfzYKocEuIwwArqupdH0LXp0JK4ZnBa2FbrMqkz8/FwUBrBHNo7q4oE+ZZ5rdh5Qf xrpS4+kmklH0xmFh5bDAvvJP6/vWZOwXe0noB+ykJhaEhg53rRuXFT7MRvy+iuMXUxe0 KEIW/tNMrhAC7+ru+CyQmlMQ1CPunKyVbY13U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=PZniGLpQENbCUCy6HOEwyqIrPFCkfeFjg1oPIzV7yCuBO7aPgz2OVXsTD+39nSFf3x BEmw2bfZEZiP+XXMXpWZTMiPJgjyKwwckslnZHrjpA5wgkGgqmM8B9Mmd3eCzOWq7XyI SGHfLyAK+LxGBRUWql/ujm7csImnyda9HMXbI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:16:08 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: qF8HCZH3fjTw0cVCj-ey_6PP3So Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8ef0f920cd0497dd3124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:16:29 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8ef0f920cd0497dd3124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think we're side-stepping a issue that we don't like the taste of actually. Blaming it all on TV? Isnt that all a bit old news... surely this "I want it all and I want it NOW" generation has spun out of control because of the.. deep breath... I N T E R N E T... Thats the real evil I'm terribly sorry to say. Of course we dont want to admit it, none of us would be friends if it want for the net, but the idea that one can get anything, any product is within a shipping date, with tracking number... any information, (I wanted to know where the source of the ezpression "the real Mc Coy " came from today.. I found out.. in 3 seconds...) OK its good to have all this information at our fingertips... isn't it? Maybe not, maybe we dont have to retain knowledge anymore, maybe we don't have to think? if only I could have my computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I can... What IS that song onthe radio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh Shazam it.. finished with.. it was Blur... problem solved... song forgotten...again... And film, downloadable in minutes... lets not bother going out at all, whats the point?, why bother watching TV, when we can MAKE TV! Why bother reading informed opinion, when we can read the opinion of millions...? Im absolutely the worst.. right now, my wife is setting up the cards for a game of Dominion, I have said "just a minute!" twice now... I'd like to believe that the 60's were the ideals that tED feels we have lost, but its not really true is it, ok so a handful of actuvists made a large noise about love and peace... Of course I was only just bor, maybe it felt different to those who live through it, but for me the 60's just looks like these shambolic idiotic idiots posing.. have any of you read Timothy Leary? Utter clap trap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me shivering as I think of the amount of drug crazed kids dropping out, girls getting raped cos it wasnt cool to say no... Of course it spawned some of the greatest music ever, Beatles, Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none could have happened at any other time... Historically speaking of course, the 60's were a milestone, the babyboomers getting up and saying, Fuck you to their parents, look how well YOU guys did with 2 world wars, Im sure we can do better, but the total freedom that they advocated was just not there... an illusion. The period bookmarked by 2 events that prove it, The shooting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything in between was marketing, pure and simple. I think I might have been rambling now... so shoot me... Going to play cards with the wife... Night night Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8ef0f920cd0497dd3124 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think we're side-stepping a issue that we don't like the taste of= actually.
Blaming it all on TV? Isnt that all a bit old news... surely= this "I want it all and I want it NOW" generation has spun out o= f control because of the..
deep breath... I N T E R N E T...
Thats the real evil I'm terribly s= orry to say. Of course we dont want to admit it, none of us would be friend= s if it want for the net, but the idea that one can get anything, any produ= ct is within a shipping date, with tracking number... any information, (I w= anted to know where the source of the ezpression "the real Mc Coy &quo= t; came from today.. I found out.. in 3 seconds...) OK its good to have all= this information at our fingertips... isn't it? Maybe not, maybe we do= nt have to retain knowledge anymore, maybe we don't have to think? if o= nly I could have my computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I can... What IS that= song onthe radio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh Shazam it.. finished with.= . it was Blur... problem solved... song forgotten...again... And film, down= loadable in minutes... lets not bother going out at all, whats the point?, = why bother watching TV, when we can MAKE TV! Why bother reading informed op= inion, when we can read the opinion of millions...?
Im absolutely the worst.. right now, my wife is setting up the cards for a = game of Dominion, I have said "just a minute!" twice now...
I'd like to believe that the 60's were the ideals that tED feels = we have lost, but its not really true is it, ok so a handful of actuvists m= ade a large noise about love and peace... Of course I was only just bor, ma= ybe it felt different to those who live through it, but for me the 60's= just looks like these shambolic idiotic idiots posing.. have any of you re= ad Timothy Leary? Utter clap trap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me sh= ivering as I think of the amount of drug crazed kids dropping out, girls ge= tting raped cos it wasnt cool to say no... Of course it spawned some of the= greatest music ever, Beatles, Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none could have hap= pened at any other time...
Historically speaking of course, the 60's were a milestone, the babyboo= mers getting up and saying, Fuck you to their parents, look how well YOU gu= ys did with 2 world wars, Im sure we can do better, but the total freedom t= hat they advocated was just not there... an illusion. The period bookmarked= by 2 events that prove it, The shooting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything i= n between was marketing, pure and simple.

I think I might have been rambling now... so shoot me...

Going t= o play cards with the wife...

Night night

Mark

--
mark francombe
ww= w.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @ma= rkfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/use= r825094
http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e8ef0f920cd0497dd3124-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 20:17:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4FE618345A; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=K8KhgR1BgTmrSbtWAjMd6JSkq0nCiIs5AAi+VN5f6eE=; b=bJ5a+nSp802rYzwBUVO0qM7IQ7i5nf8YmaotZlfoCpyUgOmmo4gAxG2VjLcpH8jOuJ euumqthEg3QO4JaCbq3ffHsT8uwuLruZfsWPnJ1+1FIZjrX/jH8PATlOS/9c8yYSjaHW K5Rk+yuh+kh5L5oQWi/QSVTflD17p5n4+qc8o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZHyRQh09QLgCM4hgLrkqGeKbWKKKKLADMTwx5YYFEPmqUtIYcR3fk6T3YjO4RZdjx8 oo+E2WJry88LyrLU2hBEVmvrjSg0ZJ6cKrJTBB1rZXi1fCb5jXVbTdfrYgS/bkRvttOg eqArSxXev2FC7fro8f5kyq5fbrjIJyC3JqoAE= Message-ID: <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:16:47 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE References: ,<838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<726302687839749391@unknownmsgid>,,<916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid>,,,<971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net>,,,<744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6hsWo.A.MaE.8m7DNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:17:00 +0000 (UTC) DON'T DO IT, GARETH!! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Cant' wait till I don't actually have a terrestrial address next year > - that's gonna be a whole new can of worms.. > > Peace > > G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 20:21:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D512183458; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rfRLv+D+8ul9tTy8r+B4LjSKfbfEL5vH2W/VaYEATGQ=; b=T/fnvC8fDbvBSz5FvIX0P7eNKstMiqsUx4P41eDL5cBHwMFE4o9XMzGb7PMbqNKCWn jVUDNl6TJaYMYx7zW4fD6lJPSJ0JBRO/DU0C8ZPVN85bdJQktLFn7kEhFf/JSIS1JJX3 sC5hOwBbg406WXw6D2plad0ZfIKkVt7RlGDsU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eXyos1GXDKKCDjcxpvLdWZwOm9K7djO1v0s4WPAVSM/V8yRKy/7UyOIZzDcIbYdDps K8IVs1ZOcrPc5wAieGXCMCuUOnSBKGDSmhc4y7XoIGkHL5K2gK7l06DELSIYfuPewvT4 j2MWcZh8yfAK8ZLNbDk8UYnv4SO4DEYHQqyeM= Message-ID: <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:21:12 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE References: ,<838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<726302687839749391@unknownmsgid>,,<916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid>,,,<971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net>,,,<744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Ok, Daryl, you got me curious there: is there some experience you'd like to share? Daryl Shawn schrieb: > DON'T DO IT, GARETH!! > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > >> Cant' wait till I don't actually have a terrestrial address next year >> - that's gonna be a whole new can of worms.. >> >> Peace >> >> G > > -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 20:36:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5ECA183477; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> <744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1037558762 Message-Id: <17E2E8D8-54A5-43FB-B956-C89E6F9FB240@ubergadget.com> From: Revfever Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (To TV, or to not TV?) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:36:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=6.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RDNS_NONE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on host.newworlddelivery.com Resent-Message-ID: <8Go4I.A.A-E.f57DNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:36:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-1037558762 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Having a TV to use as a "monitor" is not the same thing as watching the "available material" that is "offered" on the air waves or via cable, etc. A BIG difference! :-) I have also always made it a point to place the set as far away as possible (minimum 20 feet away, at least) and still be able to see and hear sufficiently. Works for me, and so far....so good. Cheerios, Rev. Fever On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > same here, no tv set for the past 10 years > > I feel fine > > 2010/12/20 > hey Rev, > > I have not owned a Tv for the past 20 years, and it does wonders > for your skin! > > Antony > > From: Revfever > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 7:14:06 PM > Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE > > On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > >> Turn the TV off, > > > > I don't even own a TV :-) > > I have an old TV set but it is only used as a "monitor" for my DVD > player and my (yes old but still works great) VCR. Otherwise, I am > now nearing *23 years* > of NOT watching tee vee....ANY tee vee. Why bother? It's usually > vapid crap anyway and mostly a mind rot and more specifically, a > means to better serve > commercial interests and promote more Materialism and mass > consumption (and WASTE) and other mind numbing stupidity and > ignorance. > One has to only know about (haha) "fair and balanced" Faux > Fraudcasting and "news" and "entertainment" for how LOW this can > go. (and with no end in sight) > > Books and other things are far more important and WORTHY and > enriching etc. (and they don't add to your electrical utility bill, > either!) > > There's also a book that came out YEARS ago (1978!) that I'll > eventually read entitled "Four Arguments for the Elimination of > Television" by Jerry Mander. > The title alone was what hooked me into wanting to check it out. It > is next in line to read after I finish the excellent and INTENSE > biography and study of Gyorgy Ligeti. > > On the subject of the 60's, for a REAL "trip" (haha), check out the > 2DVD autobiographical film by singer / poet Donovan entitled (what > else?) 'Sunshine Superman'. > It is GREAT and has a LOT of old and RARE footage from the 60's, > going back as far as 1963, or 1965 or so and on through the next > couple of decades and on > up to very recent years. The main disc is THREE HOURS LONG and is a > LOT of fun!. I've not seen the bonus disc yet, but I know it is not > nearly as long, but will > still likely have some great surprises and more fun. The set also > has a great little booklet and comes in a *beautiful* full color > box. Definitely REVcommended! > > Cheers, > Rev.Fever > Portland,OR > The Angry Red Planet (AKA-USA) > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > > PS- I see that the LA Times recently came out with an editorial > slamming Faux Fraudcasting. Excellent. It's about damn time and > LONG overdue that something > other than the alternative and independent media did this. > http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed- > foxnews-20101217,0,6952663.story > > > >> read a book (preferably and old one). > > > > It just hit me, when reading the part of your post talking about > > "saying no to yourself", that one old book that well describes these > > thoughts is "Siddharta" by Herman Hesse. I like everything I've read > > by that guy. Yes, old books they are - but in 2011 suddenly just > right > > on the spot! Damn, I'll buy a bunch of them for my sons as X-mas > > gifts. Thank you, Ted, one more daily issue solved!! ;-)) > > > > Last X-mas I gave them another book - whatever it is called in > English > > (The Prince..?) - by that Italian guy that lived some four or... ah > > yeah MACCIAVELLI, that was his name. He was the first class couch > for > > kings and just about anyone who had more powerz than brainz back in > > the dayz. And Maciavelly really taught The Path of The Snake (rather > > than the Path of The Eagle, known as the "good guy's" choice... och > > OFF-Toppic-ing into esotherics here.... sorry, back on track we go). > > But this book has to be discussed if handed over to... not just > young > > people, anyone! Because M's sinister methods still work and are > > practiced daily by politicians and other decision makers. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli > > > > Per > > > > > > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen > http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen > http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ > --------------------------------------------------- > "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert > Fripp- > --------------------------------------------------- > "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must > lead." -Charles Bukowski- > --Apple-Mail-1-1037558762 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Having a TV to use as a "monitor" is not the same thing as watching the = "available material" that is "offered" on the air waves or via cable, = etc. A BIG difference! :-) 
I have also always made it a = point to place the set as far away as possible (minimum 20 feet away, at = least) and still be able to see and hear = sufficiently. 
Works for me, and so far....so = good.

Cheerios,
Rev. = Fever

On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Petri = Lahtinen wrote:

same here, no tv set for the past 10 years

I feel = fine

2010/12/20 <antonyhequet@yahoo.com>
=
hey Rev,

I have not owned a Tv for = the past 20 years, and it does wonders for your = skin!

Antony

From: Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 = 7:14:06 PM
Subject: = Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE

On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Per Boysen = wrote:

>> Turn the TV off,
>
> I don't even = own a TV :-)

I have an old TV set but it is only used as a = "monitor" for my DVD player and my (yes old but still works great) VCR. = Otherwise, I am now nearing *23 years*
of NOT watching tee = vee....ANY tee vee. Why bother? It's usually vapid crap anyway and = mostly a mind rot and more specifically, a means to better = serve
commercial interests and promote more Materialism and mass = consumption (and WASTE) and other mind numbing stupidity and = ignorance.
One has to only know about (haha) "fair and balanced" = Faux Fraudcasting and "news" and "entertainment" for how LOW this can = go. (and with no end in sight)

Books and other things are far = more important and WORTHY and enriching etc. (and they don't add to your = electrical utility bill, either!)

There's also a book that came = out YEARS ago (1978!) that I'll eventually read entitled "Four Arguments = for the Elimination of Television" by Jerry Mander.
The title alone = was what hooked me into wanting to check it out. It is next in line to = read after I finish the excellent and INTENSE biography and study of = Gyorgy Ligeti.

On the subject of the 60's, for a REAL "trip" = (haha), check out the 2DVD autobiographical film by singer / poet = Donovan entitled (what else?) 'Sunshine Superman'.
It is GREAT and = has a LOT of old and RARE  footage from the 60's, going back as far = as 1963, or 1965 or so and on through the next couple of decades and = on
up to very recent years. The main disc is THREE HOURS LONG and is = a LOT of fun!. I've not seen the bonus disc yet, but I know it is not = nearly as long, but will
still likely have some great surprises and = more fun. The set also has a great little booklet and comes in a = *beautiful* full color box. Definitely REVcommended!
=
Cheers,
Rev.Fever
Portland,OR
The Angry Red Planet = (AKA-USA)
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever

PS- = I see that the LA Times recently came out with an editorial slamming = Faux Fraudcasting. Excellent. It's about damn time and LONG overdue that = something
other than the alternative and independent media did = this.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-fox= news-20101217,0,6952663.story


>> read a = book (preferably and old one).
>
> It just hit me, when = reading the part of your post talking about
> "saying no to = yourself", that one old book that well describes these
> thoughts = is "Siddharta" by Herman Hesse. I like everything I've read
> by = that guy. Yes, old books they are - but in 2011 suddenly just = right
> on the spot! Damn, I'll buy a bunch of them for my sons as = X-mas
> gifts. Thank you, Ted, one more daily issue solved!! = ;-))
>
> Last X-mas I gave them another book - whatever it = is called in English
> (The Prince..?) - by that Italian guy that = lived some four or... ah
> yeah MACCIAVELLI, that was his name. He = was the first class couch for
> kings and just about anyone who = had more powerz than brainz back in
> the dayz. And Maciavelly = really taught The Path of The Snake (rather
> than the Path of The = Eagle, known as the "good guy's" choice... och
> OFF-Toppic-ing = into esotherics here.... sorry, back on track we go).
> But this = book has to be discussed if handed over to... not just young
> = people, anyone! Because M's sinister methods still work and are
> = practiced daily by politicians and other decision makers.
>
= > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli
>
> Per
> =


=



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http://www.petrilahtinen.com
= http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.= com/
http://www.myspace.com/petri= lahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen=
http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.= com/
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"Some = people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." = -Charles Bukowski-
=

= --Apple-Mail-1-1037558762-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 20:38:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C932183485; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=R/Q0qizIvsQQVvc4uZbO4h4DnNBVbbtSt6OIQs9wUV0=; b=SQmQZACC6vDv+0PqrsEt+JYVXmi2sCIiNUsx1urJu7WlGKOTX+roNuCBaEhumNZ8LP wyKAxGfs0r2xPkgNS8VdRM9w78U4DIwUfB4Fiu+XpxoiND5Pbn8tBLZZbBEppnhmGkNz jALQV1SzMMCoCAVIqyUk4K58cNKHpcacFLvBA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=sMVlCezQlyfgLR3hJZAcP8RzxFfnuF/K9vGQ3tQXk8JFrAkBIY0/4Ih4xXeSKhoTCo /e59wC+18S7bwGSh43KKUzCLafeWWLxpwSx0Dbxrfe/bd2M6mns/HYwUSm3M05lKadio AlJCu1Nyxn/eZ3dMDNYlrqRFoSRaKtrj799wc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:36:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255579560a91fe0497dd7bfb Resent-Message-ID: <-i54HD.A.pEF.G77DNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:38:30 +0000 (UTC) --0003255579560a91fe0497dd7bfb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Southern germany has been all white for weeks now,and now the coming rain has melted it all but that aint good either... the bodensee area is milder than the rest of the country i think so the snow doesnt last too long here, which is ashame because i like white christmas instead of a wet and windy one and yes weve never burned so much fire in our house! cheers Luis On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover > wrote: > > Last wek was rough for us here in Canada. -30, but -50 with windchill > factor. > > Wow! That's remarkable. Don't forget your extra underpants!!! ;-) > > Per > > --0003255579560a91fe0497dd7bfb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Southern germany=A0has been=A0all white for weeks now,and now the comi= ng=A0rain has melted it all
but that aint good either...
the bodensee area is milder than the rest of the country i think so th= e snow doesnt last too long here,
which is ashame because i like white christmas instead of a wet and wi= ndy one
and yes weve never burned so much fire in our house!
cheers
Luis
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On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.co= m> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover
&= lt;j.de.roover@gmail.com> w= rote:
> Last wek was rough for us here in Canada. -30, but -50 with w= indchill factor.

Wow! That's remarkable. Don't forget your extra underpant= s!!! ;-)

Per


--0003255579560a91fe0497dd7bfb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 20:38:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8E5E183490; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nhKY9HH8CStx2Oa9fwNkyLqW1CfQ/ni/UnGwkbHWaRI=; b=Axy6LhZUl0pnlskVnkwdjZHVnfKPjtbsPFKdtERdUhgPdxdAWx49LzA7X3BiP9aS6S 0zw7c5JVV+N0LDvK1rwY+5Fs1UYKGL2nkantL2denWAOH4h2ib0QeV1+Hjog7anGHOTI d9JtyDkLn4p8vzSKOAmYkDCW8lrk0M2V9Nw+s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dZv9q820wkv3dpxBiNStOTzolpSyA6Tx5Gf+fZ16ypUK24MqK1eFiyJCk/7GPLpmsw N3cP8v+YPgD95ppoFT+mcIQHlOM++9+khNFk1eRFqzF1fpz2qda5Wdww0a4f8nx9Q1jS 4vBDU0jSBfcasZXDPgKVzWoQB3ekMyYCiUqjc= Message-ID: <4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:38:36 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE References: ,<838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<726302687839749391@unknownmsgid>,,<916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid>,,,<971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net>,,,<744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Heh - no, it just sounded like Gareth was making a plan to depart this earthly plane in the New Year! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Ok, Daryl, you got me curious there: is there some experience you'd > like to share? > > Daryl Shawn schrieb: >> DON'T DO IT, GARETH!! >> >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com >> >> >>> Cant' wait till I don't actually have a terrestrial address next >>> year - that's gonna be a whole new can of worms.. >>> >>> Peace >>> >>> G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 20:39:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26F3418349B; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292877593; bh=Jnu3sRG0JmAn5hMgmLVKIAhq/96fXE7yfGCVgbtYLkg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a0JA8ZIqKdJm+gjjR0t54cumYcwVqsUkWXvnC0Zijafvdu99ws/gnUVtjwNZeVKKCAgdRZEp0bsIna633iDA+Mc582z7qx4iyvolNUaItHaIIMgo2yocO4egKMfV6zzR1Mtc0z0kn8fY7nx5NSkWpbL43pBUFqoY1d2FAYa5yKQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V+T1TopbFREngwDMt2Bd05xaJ5FRUgkD/wNJiW8qN5UpRs9Zop6jvgf5XXHURa4NKfXmn5sWTEdnz+7YJsnBhAOALim7x5G5qkuTbpVWlZyu3tYF6TJ+Kg9C+QodVNasbpDaOHQSMH8546qBX07fbXLxB7MxXYiroEoixnAGkOU=; Message-ID: <19808.62464.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: uEHqBicVM1kbbd27CE.ZmNS2LSFxwpFOAGNx4JEKighIhKE 9sPWNZOxwQ9IcwEOShsHpJiGFbZvAi57MHk2tIXyqD1x_6hdF.y0C_JM8Jhx n.g161EKZ82mNSP6vBu5t9exN3ZQzNh0UdqD0biPgrQxyWyqDqIr8.9sq3sw DxNXGD8Ux4jHhc.W0OaY8OVfNb8XGzHEDDP1ggUw98LxDPpuaXApqtZttGnG G6vXuGYi1nlw6DPOTEzbn9JMslV_wTbeARjjjjmkNt.Y2WwHzk8AXftBsFUF xsZ.XGGa7y1Tv0byMsC35 X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:39:52 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1488841650-1292877592=:62464" Resent-Message-ID: <5FV_6D.A.fKF.a87DNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:39:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-1488841650-1292877592=:62464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the internet os more adictive thqn TV and the 60's actually created the indulging of today, Frank Zappa had some nice sonds about it, and the diggers wrote about it when it was happening: But we do not have to revere the 60 or regret them in order to see what we are doing now with our time on mother earth. Nothing is sacred to us anymore... Antony ________________________________ From: mark francombe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 9:16:08 PM Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... I think we're side-stepping a issue that we don't like the taste of actually. Blaming it all on TV? Isnt that all a bit old news... surely this "I want it all and I want it NOW" generation has spun out of control because of the.. deep breath... I N T E R N E T... Thats the real evil I'm terribly sorry to say. Of course we dont want to admit it, none of us would be friends if it want for the net, but the idea that one can get anything, any product is within a shipping date, with tracking number... any information, (I wanted to know where the source of the ezpression "the real Mc Coy " came from today.. I found out.. in 3 seconds...) OK its good to have all this information at our fingertips... isn't it? Maybe not, maybe we dont have to retain knowledge anymore, maybe we don't have to think? if only I could have my computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I can... What IS that song onthe radio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh Shazam it.. finished with.. it was Blur... problem solved... song forgotten...again... And film, downloadable in minutes... lets not bother going out at all, whats the point?, why bother watching TV, when we can MAKE TV! Why bother reading informed opinion, when we can read the opinion of millions...? Im absolutely the worst.. right now, my wife is setting up the cards for a game of Dominion, I have said "just a minute!" twice now... I'd like to believe that the 60's were the ideals that tED feels we have lost, but its not really true is it, ok so a handful of actuvists made a large noise about love and peace... Of course I was only just bor, maybe it felt different to those who live through it, but for me the 60's just looks like these shambolic idiotic idiots posing.. have any of you read Timothy Leary? Utter clap trap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me shivering as I think of the amount of drug crazed kids dropping out, girls getting raped cos it wasnt cool to say no... Of course it spawned some of the greatest music ever, Beatles, Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none could have happened at any other time... Historically speaking of course, the 60's were a milestone, the babyboomers getting up and saying, Fuck you to their parents, look how well YOU guys did with 2 world wars, Im sure we can do better, but the total freedom that they advocated was just not there... an illusion. The period bookmarked by 2 events that prove it, The shooting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything in between was marketing, pure and simple. I think I might have been rambling now... so shoot me... Going to play cards with the wife... Night night Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0-1488841650-1292877592=:62464 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
the internet os more adictive thqn TV and the 60's actually created the indulging of today, Frank Zappa had some nice sonds about it, and the diggers wrote about it when it was happening: But we do not have to revere the 60 or regret them in order to see what we are doing now with our time on mother earth. 
Nothing is sacred to us anymore...

Antony

From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 9:16:08 PM
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....

I think we're side-stepping a issue that we don't like the taste of actually.
Blaming it all on TV? Isnt that all a bit old news... surely this "I want it all and I want it NOW" generation has spun out of control because of the..
deep breath... I N T E R N E T...
Thats the real evil I'm terribly sorry to say. Of course we dont want to admit it, none of us would be friends if it want for the net, but the idea that one can get anything, any product is within a shipping date, with tracking number... any information, (I wanted to know where the source of the ezpression "the real Mc Coy " came from today.. I found out.. in 3 seconds...) OK its good to have all this information at our fingertips... isn't it? Maybe not, maybe we dont have to retain knowledge anymore, maybe we don't have to think? if only I could have my computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I can... What IS that song onthe radio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh Shazam it.. finished with.. it was Blur... problem solved... song forgotten...again... And film, downloadable in minutes... lets not bother going out at all, whats the point?, why bother watching TV, when we can MAKE TV! Why bother reading informed opinion, when we can read the opinion of millions...?
Im absolutely the worst.. right now, my wife is setting up the cards for a game of Dominion, I have said "just a minute!" twice now...

I'd like to believe that the 60's were the ideals that tED feels we have lost, but its not really true is it, ok so a handful of actuvists made a large noise about love and peace... Of course I was only just bor, maybe it felt different to those who live through it, but for me the 60's just looks like these shambolic idiotic idiots posing.. have any of you read Timothy Leary? Utter clap trap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me shivering as I think of the amount of drug crazed kids dropping out, girls getting raped cos it wasnt cool to say no... Of course it spawned some of the greatest music ever, Beatles, Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none could have happened at any other time...
Historically speaking of course, the 60's were a milestone, the babyboomers getting up and saying, Fuck you to their parents, look how well YOU guys did with 2 world wars, Im sure we can do better, but the total freedom that they advocated was just not there... an illusion. The period bookmarked by 2 events that prove it, The shooting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything in between was marketing, pure and simple.

I think I might have been rambling now... so shoot me...

Going to play cards with the wife...

Night night

Mark

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mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

--0-1488841650-1292877592=:62464-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 21:04:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2BAD183461; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 805 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:04:28 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <19808.62464.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> <19808.62464.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-1039240787 Message-Id: <69041D81-D85E-468F-9161-2ABB7BCE3339@ubergadget.com> From: Revfever Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:04:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=6.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RDNS_NONE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on obf2.tritico.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:04:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-1039240787 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed If being "addicted" to having access to potentially more knowledge and information, and direct communications worldwide than ever before in history, and quickly so, then for me personally, here's to "addiction"! Hurray! Also, the 60's did not "create" the "indulging" of today. Humans have always naturally done this sort of thing and in "cycles". It happens ever few decades or so and is nothing "new". Look at the "Roaring Twenties" or even the 1950's, or go as far back as the Roman Empire and even further back. History just repeats itself, for better or for worse, or a combo of both. Wash, rinse, repeat...wash, rinse, repeat...wash, rinse, repeat...ad infinitum. Sugar Frosted Flakes, Rev. Fever On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:39 PM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: > the internet os more adictive thqn TV and the 60's actually created > the indulging of today, Frank Zappa had some nice sonds about it, > and the diggers wrote about it when it was happening: But we do not > have to revere the 60 or regret them in order to see what we are > doing now with our time on mother earth. > Nothing is sacred to us anymore... > > Antony > > From: mark francombe > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 9:16:08 PM > Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic > Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... > > I think we're side-stepping a issue that we don't like the taste of > actually. > Blaming it all on TV? Isnt that all a bit old news... surely this > "I want it all and I want it NOW" generation has spun out of > control because of the.. > deep breath... I N T E R N E T... > Thats the real evil I'm terribly sorry to say. Of course we dont > want to admit it, none of us would be friends if it want for the > net, but the idea that one can get anything, any product is within > a shipping date, with tracking number... any information, (I wanted > to know where the source of the ezpression "the real Mc Coy " came > from today.. I found out.. in 3 seconds...) OK its good to have all > this information at our fingertips... isn't it? Maybe not, maybe we > dont have to retain knowledge anymore, maybe we don't have to > think? if only I could have my computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I > can... What IS that song onthe radio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh > Shazam it.. finished with.. it was Blur... problem solved... song > forgotten...again... And film, downloadable in minutes... lets not > bother going out at all, whats the point?, why bother watching TV, > when we can MAKE TV! Why bother reading informed opinion, when we > can read the opinion of millions...? > Im absolutely the worst.. right now, my wife is setting up the > cards for a game of Dominion, I have said "just a minute!" twice > now... > > I'd like to believe that the 60's were the ideals that tED feels we > have lost, but its not really true is it, ok so a handful of > actuvists made a large noise about love and peace... Of course I > was only just bor, maybe it felt different to those who live > through it, but for me the 60's just looks like these shambolic > idiotic idiots posing.. have any of you read Timothy Leary? Utter > clap trap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me shivering as I > think of the amount of drug crazed kids dropping out, girls getting > raped cos it wasnt cool to say no... Of course it spawned some of > the greatest music ever, Beatles, Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none > could have happened at any other time... > Historically speaking of course, the 60's were a milestone, the > babyboomers getting up and saying, Fuck you to their parents, look > how well YOU guys did with 2 world wars, Im sure we can do better, > but the total freedom that they advocated was just not there... an > illusion. The period bookmarked by 2 events that prove it, The > shooting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything in between was marketing, > pure and simple. > > I think I might have been rambling now... so shoot me... > > Going to play cards with the wife... > > Night night > > Mark > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > > --Apple-Mail-4-1039240787 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII If being "addicted" to having access to potentially more knowledge and = information, and direct communications worldwide than ever before in = history, and quickly so, then for me personally, here's to "addiction"! =  Hurray!  Also, the 60's did not "create" the "indulging" of = today. Humans have always naturally done this sort of thing and in = "cycles". It happens ever few decades or so and is nothing "new". =  Look at the "Roaring Twenties" or even the 1950's, or go as far = back as the Roman Empire and even further back. History just repeats = itself, 
for better or for worse, or a combo of both. Wash, = rinse, repeat...wash, rinse, repeat...wash, rinse, repeat...ad = infinitum.

Sugar Frosted Flakes,
Rev. = Fever

On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:39 PM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com = wrote:

the internet os more adictive thqn TV and the = 60's actually created the indulging of today, Frank Zappa had some nice = sonds about it, and the diggers wrote about it when it was happening: = But we do not have to revere the 60 or regret them in order to see what = we are doing now with our time on mother earth. 
Nothing is sacred to us anymore...


From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
<= b>To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
 Mon, = December 20, 2010 9:16:08 PM
 Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS = MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler = Teaser....

I think we're side-stepping a issue that we = don't like the taste of actually. 
Blaming it all on TV? = Isnt that all a bit old news... surely this "I want it all and I want it = NOW" generation has spun out of control because of the..
deep = breath... I N T E R N E T...
Thats the real evil I'm terribly sorry = to say. Of course we dont want to admit it, none of us would be friends = if it want for the net, but the idea that one can get anything, any = product is within a shipping date, with tracking number... any = information, (I wanted to know where the source of the ezpression "the = real Mc Coy " came from today.. I found out.. in 3 seconds...) OK its = good to have all this information at our fingertips... isn't it? Maybe = not, maybe we dont have to retain knowledge anymore, maybe we don't have = to think? if only I could have my computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I = can... What IS that song onthe radio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh = Shazam it.. finished with.. it was Blur... problem solved... song = forgotten...again... And film, downloadable in minutes... lets not = bother going out at all, whats the point?, why bother watching TV, when = we can MAKE TV! Why bother reading informed opinion, when we can read = the opinion of millions...?
Im absolutely the worst.. right now, my = wife is setting up the cards for a game of Dominion, I have said "just a = minute!" twice now...

I'd like to believe that the 60's were the = ideals that tED feels we have lost, but its not really true is it, ok so = a handful of actuvists made a large noise about love and peace... Of = course I was only just bor, maybe it felt different to those who live = through it, but for me the 60's just looks like these shambolic idiotic = idiots posing.. have any of you read Timothy Leary? Utter clap trap... = Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me shivering as I think of the amount = of drug crazed kids dropping out, girls getting raped cos it wasnt cool = to say no... Of course it spawned some of the greatest music ever, = Beatles, Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none could have happened at any other = time... 
Historically= speaking of course, the 60's were a milestone, the babyboomers getting = up and saying, Fuck you to their parents, look how well YOU guys did = with 2 world wars, Im sure we can do better, but the total freedom that = they advocated was just not there... an illusion. The period bookmarked = by 2 events that prove it, The shooting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything = in between was marketing, pure and simple.

I think I might have = been rambling now... so shoot me...

Going to play cards with the = wife...

Night night

Mark

-- 
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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no



= --Apple-Mail-4-1039240787-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 21:09:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 471CC183481; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292879348; bh=ZZ4qvRvnbzTiD70WQq04TrB7T3j20vySopziyTjKv88=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oG4EK7hjOH8oCkYSAAgVZGa2Lec18E+HlvQlYc38dSIBhsYhrsds8Oheyf5PITPvXrO7iH0pJg0S/O/VLky6psYr4aTo2X1esyiWQ7Jjj1RL9fobOZjclo1NTReTGryOk31gVfbEYZZp3GYifopg6mTs1NEosx2P8sEHIAHHExw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Yu9aRe8zlqPMv7w8UAld4bLYcHb6GqaWFJ3EpxUsTa5IHrYeN6IFLVNtGxuUKksCy0pI8WXWvLzctwHWmcomtGZOI9lbCaK/r1Mm7PgQSVyV9lVGypsWyvKu7HL1QoRnGdzpUf+SsDVi3XekGZVsa0EpZusA4LmwLiZYVI03e6k=; Message-ID: <828348.59986.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WoKkxVoVM1lbwlyqfV7b40j50Ok1EOtIpkQjJKI0dBWlf93 8K7N808yMyqSpIaSsukTcXVQ.RSCUui2daPUqKP4aEwPPdgPEo.unjxuBsjO Zxc1Jh.oJpod6g6iO5m.mSVdNos.avKtnLkwSq1cXdiX.Shfpc5J361.fD4k toRuWt43kvabMrQHy6OIuOJPPSd1_TqiXr0E7g460nmYgHMFAIx0VorABbnn Ovh9.Xl36lSneoe4D_crnidsDsX_7syIGcUNT4F.t9kLh3c0drb9otO4gsi7 ZAKz5_pQJ.he9UgFXMaXB2FnhjOZAE0UfDPk6ksO0iwxEEjftzu1CgIarJL1 H3kpKr2s3c5hNrs0Xd_dbs2q7HVqCVupsn8i.ioKCefIfk4aEXyHY8OqDosQ XrVLvE4UgufX1FQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:09:08 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-677507001-1292879348=:59986" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:09:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-677507001-1292879348=:59986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (I'd like to believe that the 60's were the ideals that tED feels we have l= ost, but its not really true is it, ok so a handful of actuvists made a lar= ge noise about love and peace... Of course I was only just bor, maybe it fe= lt different to those who live through it, but for me the 60's just looks l= ike these shambolic idiotic idiots posing.. have any of you read Timothy Le= ary? Utter clap trap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me shivering as I = think of the amount of drug crazed kids dropping out, girls getting raped c= os it wasnt cool to say no... Of course it spawned some of the greatest mus= ic ever, Beatles, Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none could have happened at any = other time...=20 Historically speaking of course, the 60's were a milestone, the babyboomers= getting up and saying, Fuck you to their parents, look how well YOU guys d= id with 2 world wars, Im sure we can do better, but the total freedom that = they advocated was just not there... an illusion. The period bookmarked by = 2 events that prove it, The shooting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything in be= tween was marketing, pure and simple.) =A0 Nahh. You're wrong, my friend. I was there. For a while, just a short while= , a lot of things changed and it was a really cool scene from many differen= t perspectives. For one, clothes were very original. People were inventing = styles - later the clothes manufacturers copied what was popular. I won't e= ven mention the music because that is self-evident. But, peoples vibes were= much cooler, mellower. The places where I hung, one could meet folks from = all levels of society. Bikers, money dudes with Shelby Mustangs, freaks, et= al. The girls were unbelievable as well. The concert scene was mind-boggli= ng compared to today. Three decent groups for what, five bucks! And there w= ere no professional scalping companies jacking up the prices. Few were gett= ing busted for smoking a little weed - for those that partaked. It was done= in the open in many cases. Even in movie theaters when smoking was allowed= . I'd take the 60's any day over the horrendous past decade. =A0 Paul =A0 --- On Mon, 12/20/10, mark francombe wrote: From: mark francombe Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Perf= ormance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 3:16 PM I think we're side-stepping a issue that we don't like the taste of actuall= y.=20 Blaming it all on TV? Isnt that all a bit old news... surely this "I want i= t all and I want it NOW" generation has spun out of control because of the.= . deep breath... I N T E R N E T... Thats the real evil I'm terribly sorry to say. Of course we dont want to ad= mit it, none of us would be friends if it want for the net, but the idea th= at one can get anything, any product is within a shipping date, with tracki= ng number... any information, (I wanted to know where the source of the ezp= ression "the real Mc Coy " came from today.. I found out.. in 3 seconds...)= OK its good to have all this information at our fingertips... isn't it? Ma= ybe not, maybe we dont have to retain knowledge anymore, maybe we don't hav= e to think? if only I could have my computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I can= ... What IS that song onthe radio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh Shazam it.= . finished with.. it was Blur... problem solved... song forgotten...again..= . And film, downloadable in minutes... lets not bother going out at all, wh= ats the point?, why bother watching TV, when we can MAKE TV! Why bother rea= ding informed opinion, when we can read the opinion of millions...? Im absolutely the worst.. right now, my wife is setting up the cards for a = game of Dominion, I have said "just a minute!" twice now... I'd like to believe that the 60's were the ideals that tED feels we have lo= st, but its not really true is it, ok so a handful of actuvists made a larg= e noise about love and peace... Of course I was only just bor, maybe it fel= t different to those who live through it, but for me the 60's just looks li= ke these shambolic idiotic idiots posing.. have any of you read Timothy Lea= ry? Utter clap trap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me shivering as I t= hink of the amount of drug crazed kids dropping out, girls getting raped co= s it wasnt cool to say no... Of course it spawned some of the greatest musi= c ever, Beatles, Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none could have happened at any o= ther time...=20 Historically speaking of course, the 60's were a milestone, the babyboomers= getting up and saying, Fuck you to their parents, look how well YOU guys d= id with 2 world wars, Im sure we can do better, but the total freedom that = they advocated was just not there... an illusion. The period bookmarked by = 2 events that prove it, The shooting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything in be= tween was marketing, pure and simple. I think I might have been rambling now... so shoot me... Going to play cards with the wife... Night night Mark --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no =0A=0A=0A --0-677507001-1292879348=:59986 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi per , it really helps me to start looping = with mobius ....

and nice flute tune!

thanks

luis prado

--- On Sun, 19/= 12/10, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
Subjec= t: Re: mobius basic tutorial
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
= Received: Sunday, 19 December, 2010, 8:38 AM

Hi Luis,

I posted a step for step tutorial with demo video at
<= a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132" target=3D"_blank">http://w= ww.perboysen.com/archives/132

This uses Mobius and covers some t= echniques for using chord changes in
live looping.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen


On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:02 AM, chusp= a <chuspacpu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  = ;Hi, does anybody know or have resume a basic mobius app. tutorial?
>= because of the complex manual, I will like to know the basic for use it> thanks
> luis prado

(I'd like to believe that the 60's were = the ideals that tED feels we have lost, but its not really true is it, ok s= o a handful of actuvists made a large noise about love and peace... Of cour= se I was only just bor, maybe it felt different to those who live through i= t, but for me the 60's just looks like these shambolic idiotic idiots posin= g.. have any of you read Timo= thy Leary? Utter clap trap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me sh= ivering as I think of the amount of drug crazed kids dropping out, girls ge= tting raped cos it wasnt cool to say no... Of course it spawned some of the= greatest music ever, Beatles= , Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none could have happened at any other tim= e...
Historically speaking of course, the 60's were a milestone, the ba= byboomers getting up and saying, Fuck you to their parents, look how well YOU guys d= id with 2 world wars, Im sure we can do better, but the total freedom that = they advocated was just not there... an illusion. The period bookmarked by = 2 events that prove it, The shooting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything in between was marketing, p= ure and simple.)
 
Nahh. You're wrong, my friend. I was there. For a while, just a short = while, a lot of things changed and it was a really cool scene from many dif= ferent perspectives. For one, clothes were very original. People were inven= ting styles - later the clothes manufacturers copied what was popular. I wo= n't even mention the music because that is self-evident. But, peoples vibes= were much cooler, mellower. The places where I hung, one could meet folks = from all levels of society. Bikers, money dudes with Shelby Mustangs, freak= s, et al. The girls were unbelievable as well. The concert scene was mind-b= oggling compared to today. Three decent groups for what, five bucks! And th= ere were no professional scalping companies jacking up the prices. Few were= getting busted for smoking a little weed - for those that partaked. It was= done in the open in many cases. Even in movie theaters when smoking was al= lowed. I'd take the 60's any day over the horrendous past decade.
 
Paul
 




--- On Mon, 12/20/10, mark francombe <mark@ma= rkfrancombe.com> wrote:

From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com&g= t;
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrac= k Performance Sampler Teaser....
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 3:16 PM

I think we're side-stepping a issue that we don't lik= e the taste of actually.
Blaming it all on TV? Isnt that all a bit old = news... surely this "I want it all and I want it NOW" generation has spun o= ut of control because of the..
deep breath... I N T E R N E T...
That= s the real evil I'm terribly sorry to say. Of course we dont want to admit = it, none of us would be friends if it want for the net, but the idea that o= ne can get anything, any product is within a shipping date, with tracking n= umber... any information, (I wanted to know where the source of the ezpress= ion "the real Mc Coy " came from today.. I found out.. in 3 seconds...) OK = its good to have all this information at our fingertips... isn't it? Maybe = not, maybe we dont have to retain knowledge anymore, maybe we don't have to= think? if only I could have my computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I can... = What IS that song onthe radio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh Shazam it.. finished with.. it was Blur... problem solved... song forgotten...aga= in... And film, downloadable in minutes... lets not bother going out at all= , whats the point?, why bother watching TV, when we can MAKE TV! Why bother= reading informed opinion, when we can read the opinion of millions...?
= Im absolutely the worst.. right now, my wife is setting up the cards for a = game of Dominion, I have said "just a minute!" twice now...

I'd like= to believe that the 60's were the ideals that tED feels we have lost, but = its not really true is it, ok so a handful of actuvists made a large noise = about love and peace... Of course I was only just bor, maybe it felt differ= ent to those who live through it, but for me the 60's just looks like these= shambolic idiotic idiots posing.. have any of you read Timothy Leary? Utte= r clap trap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me shivering as I think of = the amount of drug crazed kids dropping out, girls getting raped cos it wasnt cool to say no... Of course it spawned some of the greatest music= ever, Beatles, Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none could have happened at any ot= her time...
Historically speaking of course, the 60's were a milestone,= the babyboomers getting up and saying, Fuck you to their parents, look how= well YOU guys did with 2 world wars, Im sure we can do better, but the tot= al freedom that they advocated was just not there... an illusion. The perio= d bookmarked by 2 events that prove it, The shooting of JFK and Vietnam... = Everything in between was marketing, pure and simple.

I think I migh= t have been rambling now... so shoot me...

Going to play cards with = the wife...

Night night

Mark

--
mark f= rancombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

=0A=0A --0-677507001-1292879348=:59986-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 21:19:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7F4B18348D; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=vqbeIHrC_YAA:10 a=ogosvpG2eeb_1IXT6DoA:9 a=bA4klxtNoVVAymDERBIA:7 a=Gyk9tJXKqdU0aIJxqpJM22aoZAoA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=46AkV7D0mj7TpA0nJ9YA:9 a=z7aOxwdy0TfUiAA6IqYA:7 a=ycv0iEklPA-fXk6zk4dDLoFjWZ8A:4 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:19:28 -0500 (EST) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <2055392993.1205637.1292879972082.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1205629_2107729113.1292879968642" User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 43 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:19:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1205629_2107729113.1292879968642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Whoooooweee . . . Well, I have just one further suggestion for all of you . . . at least for those of you that still have TV sand DVDs players or internet accesst to YouTube (LOL). Do yourselves a favor and watch the (rather longish) BBC dcumentary called "The Century of the Self" if you ever have the chance. Watch the whole thing (at 4 or 5 hours) it'll do you some good. It's on YouTube (in many, many short segments) and it will turn your head around about a lot of things. I don't particularly worship and adore the hippy dippy trippy '60s (as an era or a generation) at all . . . they sort of successfully held up a mirror to what went before and said "f**k off, hypocrites" . . . it's true. But they (we) were less successful at looking at themselves (ourselves) in the mirrror . . . and seeing that they (we) were also subject to being the willing dupes of larger powers and their own needs and wants. As people, we need to start looking in the mirror ourselves. The next generation needs us to. Cheers, Ted ------=_Part_1205629_2107729113.1292879968642 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Whoooooweee . . .

<= /FONT>
Well, I have just one further suggestio= n for all of you . . . at least for those of you that still have TV sand DV= Ds players or internet accesst to YouTube (LOL).

=
Do yourselves a favor and watch the (r= ather longish) BBC dcumentary called "The Century of the Self" if= you ever have the chance.

Watch the whole thing (at 4 or 5 hours) it'll do you some go= od.

It's on = YouTube (in many, many short segments) and it will turn your head around ab= out a lot of things.

<= FONT FACE=3D"Tahoma" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNI= NG=3D"0">I don't particularly worship and adore the hippy dippy trippy '60s= (as an era or a generation) at all . . . they sort of successfully held up= a mirror to what went before and said "f**k off, hypocrites" . .= . it's true.

But they (we) were less successful at looking at themselves (ourselves) i= n the mirrror . . . and seeing that they (we) were also subject to being th= e willing dupes of larger powers and their own needs and wants.
As people, we need to s= tart looking in the mirror ourselves.

The next generation needs us to.

Cheers,

Ted
------=_Part_1205629_2107729113.1292879968642-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 21:26:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39AAA183498; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-1038440287 Message-Id: <996FD605-D237-4275-9A9A-75DE04B7514D@ubergadget.com> From: Revfever Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:50:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=6.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RDNS_NONE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on obf2.tritico.net X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host3.webserveralpha.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ubergadget.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:26:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-1038440287 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The Internet is simply a tool, like a hammer, or whatever. It can be used constructively, productively, or it can be used for just the opposite. Just like a hammer. A hammer can be used to build great things, or it can be used to hit and kill someone. The bottom line is that the Internet is here to STAY, so best to make the more productive and least harmful use of it, and so far, it has been responsible for far MORE GOOD than otherwise and I'll wager that the higher percentage of good will only continue to grow. Well, at least as long as we are still able to have Net Neutrality, and the usual right wing special interests vermin and greedy corps(es) and other control freaks are working hard to try to eliminate that. Best to stay plugged in and keep an eye on this... Cheers, Rev. Fever On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:16 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I think we're side-stepping a issue that we don't like the taste of > actually. > Blaming it all on TV? Isnt that all a bit old news... surely this > "I want it all and I want it NOW" generation has spun out of > control because of the.. > deep breath... I N T E R N E T... > Thats the real evil I'm terribly sorry to say. Of course we dont > want to admit it, none of us would be friends if it want for the > net, but the idea that one can get anything, any product is within > a shipping date, with tracking number... any information, (I wanted > to know where the source of the ezpression "the real Mc Coy " came > from today.. I found out.. in 3 seconds...) OK its good to have all > this information at our fingertips... isn't it? Maybe not, maybe we > dont have to retain knowledge anymore, maybe we don't have to > think? if only I could have my computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I > can... What IS that song onthe radio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh > Shazam it.. finished with.. it was Blur... problem solved... song > forgotten...again... And film, downloadable in minutes... lets not > bother going out at all, whats the point?, why bother watching TV, > when we can MAKE TV! Why bother reading informed opinion, when we > can read the opinion of millions...? > Im absolutely the worst.. right now, my wife is setting up the > cards for a game of Dominion, I have said "just a minute!" twice > now... > > I'd like to believe that the 60's were the ideals that tED feels we > have lost, but its not really true is it, ok so a handful of > actuvists made a large noise about love and peace... Of course I > was only just bor, maybe it felt different to those who live > through it, but for me the 60's just looks like these shambolic > idiotic idiots posing.. have any of you read Timothy Leary? Utter > clap trap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me shivering as I > think of the amount of drug crazed kids dropping out, girls getting > raped cos it wasnt cool to say no... Of course it spawned some of > the greatest music ever, Beatles, Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none > could have happened at any other time... > Historically speaking of course, the 60's were a milestone, the > babyboomers getting up and saying, Fuck you to their parents, look > how well YOU guys did with 2 world wars, Im sure we can do better, > but the total freedom that they advocated was just not there... an > illusion. The period bookmarked by 2 events that prove it, The > shooting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything in between was marketing, > pure and simple. > > I think I might have been rambling now... so shoot me... > > Going to play cards with the wife... > > Night night > > Mark > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-2-1038440287 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII The Internet is simply a tool, like a hammer, or whatever. It can be = used constructively, productively, or it can be used for just the = opposite. Just like a hammer. A hammer can be used to build great = things, or it can be used to hit and kill someone. The bottom line is = that the Internet is here to STAY, so best to make the more = productive and least harmful use of it, and so far, it has been = responsible for far MORE GOOD than otherwise and I'll wager that = the higher percentage of good will only continue to grow. Well, at least = as long as we are still able to have Net Neutrality, and = the usual right wing special interests vermin and greedy corps(es) = and other control freaks are working hard to try to eliminate = that. 


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--0016367f997e5ecc4d0497e4212c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 04:34:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B718E183466; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 04:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=V2Q2q+NUtTTKZS1int4j7kimKx0b5VReFUhBKqIKBFk=; b=Sz7CCVG1xltwTczcYtpWL1p3IL9TA8cmnypNu82NkManlSHdZFT12yDOipGNpPXisg /u7ga/kItXjUIfHLIajZXUVM2AN9dxKr7JVpukVrXvdOwreaMLTi9cNJtPuBvYuGievy VYqJWy0sp+YZxV5QLN+hnWgFHveLuVD9jgXkY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=oQtr+z/v9Xy9uN53OC55lKeVEHG9r9aF1kp5EIn6AsClVFeDFJ4ih+RQT8h6/AkcBq kdHolGeqJ150937VFA/rTirIVzBNW4887KZt12MrFTQRN/Ws6RnM6DHDvsAvBbt5NKyC ruR1zj6d6NSbirGjhrDbQ0bMaNpWEF+rWyfpM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2055392993.1205637.1292879972082.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> References: <2055392993.1205637.1292879972082.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 05:34:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5bd86c0790c0497e42707 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 04:34:43 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5bd86c0790c0497e42707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well said Ted thanx for all of this valuable information!! Im watching this fascinating documentary now cheers Luis On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:19 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn w= rote: > Whoooooweee . . . > > Well, I have just one further suggestion for all of you . . . at least fo= r > those of you that still have TV sand DVDs players or internet accesst to > YouTube (LOL). > > Do yourselves a favor and watch the (rather longish) BBC dcumentary calle= d > "The Century of the Self" if you ever have the chance. > > Watch the whole thing (at 4 or 5 hours) it'll do you some good. > > It's on YouTube (in many, many short segments) and it will turn your head > around about a lot of things. > > I don't particularly worship and adore the hippy dippy trippy '60s (as an > era or a generation) at all . . . they sort of successfully held up a mir= ror > to what went before and said "f**k off, hypocrites" . . . it's true. > > But they (we) were less successful at looking at themselves (ourselves) i= n > the mirrror . . . and seeing that they (we) were also subject to being th= e > willing dupes of larger powers and their own needs and wants. > > As people, we need to start looking in the mirror ourselves. > > The next generation needs us to. > > Cheers, > > Ted > --001636c5bd86c0790c0497e42707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
well said Ted thanx for all of this valuable information!!
Im watching this fascinating documentary now
cheers
Luis

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:19 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiA= n <tedkillia= n@charter.net> wrote:
Whoo= oooweee . . .
Well= , I have just one further suggestion for all of you . . . at least for thos= e of you that still have TV sand DVDs players or internet accesst to YouTub= e (LOL).
Do y= ourselves a favor and watch the (rather longish) BBC dcumentary called &quo= t;The Century of the Self" if you ever have the chance.
Watc= h the whole thing (at 4 or 5 hours) it'll do you some good.
It&#= 39;s on YouTube (in many, many short segments) and it will turn your head a= round about a lot of things.
I do= n't particularly worship and adore the hippy dippy trippy '60s (as = an era or a generation) at all . . . they sort of successfully held up a mi= rror to what went before and said "f**k off, hypocrites" . . . it= 's true.
But = they (we) were less successful at looking at themselves (ourselves) in the = mirrror . . . and seeing that they (we) were also subject to being the will= ing dupes of larger powers and their own needs and wants.
As p= eople, we need to start looking in the mirror ourselves.
The = next generation needs us to.
Chee= rs,

Ted<= /font>

--001636c5bd86c0790c0497e42707-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 04:56:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BB4218345A; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 04:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-1067571514 Message-Id: <50D6D39F-BD97-4DB1-915F-7F9A8901B9EA@ubergadget.com> From: Revfever Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Machiavelli) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:56:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=6.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RDNS_NONE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on host.newworlddelivery.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 04:56:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-1067571514 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > yeah MACCIAVELLI, that was his name. Machiavelli. :-) > Because M's sinister methods still work and are practiced daily by > politicians and other decision makers. Indeed. This is why back in the most recent Reign of Terror known as the Bush (haha) "administration", BushCo and the Rethuglicans were sometimes referred to (and accurately) by some people as the "Mayberry Machiavellians". (look up info on the USA TV show 'Mayberry,RFD' for those who do not get the reference) It was certainly a fitting term for those a-holes and it still applies to the current crop of Repiglicans, the same self-serving dick heads that just want to continue to take more from the poor and give even more to the rich. Ain't life just grand in the (haha) "Land of the Free"? Uh-huh. Riiiight. Happy Holidaze! Raisin Bran, Rev. Fever PS- Lunar eclipse tonight over here! --Apple-Mail-2-1067571514 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On Dec 20, 2010, at = 8:40 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

yeah MACCIAVELLI, that was his name. =

Machiavelli. = :-)

Because = M's sinister methods still work and are practiced daily by = politicians and other decision = makers.

Indeed. This is why back in the = most recent Reign of Terror known as the Bush (haha) = "administration", BushCo and the Rethuglicans were sometimes = referred to (and accurately) by some people as the = "Mayberry Machiavellians". (look up info on the USA TV show = 'Mayberry,RFD' for those who do not get the reference) It was = certainly a fitting term for those a-holes and it still applies to the = current crop of Repiglicans, the same self-serving dick heads that = just want to continue to take more from the poor and give even more to = the rich. 
Ain't life just grand in the (haha) "Land = of the Free"? Uh-huh. Riiiight.  Happy = Holidaze!

Raisin Bran,
Rev. = Fever

PS- Lunar eclipse tonight over = here!

= --Apple-Mail-2-1067571514-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 08:19:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFE37183453; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:references:from:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=LgOpSUPxJXZu/NvHJ8aJRkHAkqWk/XNYaeThT71Faio=; b=rm2equM9mq+U8/OYMaeZFDbWpuvyyTDeChL3Ew+P5uRqkjZtaRcHhy7HQ2WdFsBj5s GXDSwHevOHOT1B2VcLV31677EWkvv+tyucNBwdcPuNUBoi+wee8JaZXmEKvyfeODeTb/ Qk+eJAITllvNQeiKhLPVUVbBtr6unqYvsXHBU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=v2+dC6iIyPOwO9PTIRNTz9kZhV/gJr4Y3tWHgfCYA22YdU6usrTTHP9KDmGkZGJEKs 1YHFmuboSi44IEl1URyehGIt6c4kxzax/DRGomg6Px35XXoXMlp8n9NuBUGt9YMaVbQD gXjMjI4oIfTDY6Dah/BMVScLOoj1jOcVbceg8= References: <677056.73033.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <677056.73033.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:19:10 +0100 Message-ID: <7912438512463718147@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 21 Dec 2010, at 01:32, Paul Richards wrote: > Anyway, what do you know? Probably never even went to Woodstock. Wait a minute! Neither did I. But I could have! :) (stolen from Chilly Scenes of a Winter). Ah ha... another american who believes everything started in the US... Whats woodstock but the beginning of the end.. I know and have read volumes on this period in history, infact a bit if a bore about UK psychedelia, as i have researched a game concept thats playing area and time is London soho '68. Remember if you will that Hendrix came to the UK to find an audience... > Chilly Scenes of a Winter is a name i recognise.... Edmund me? (Edmund was iphones spelling of remind!!) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 10:17:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7337183459; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xn95ccDT5SoRoWsoKfIBqn+VCc/gR5Mge6y4stWar+s=; b=UfB4C+EiVE0IIeHTLHHMUfIjwahdAfq+5cGHlI0zQ/HOmbMuMs9acLpkO2Z02SL5AL UwubuvfNC/IKhMsPYNq9Zu+NUARcmZu937cqX1Q4oIBDevCkUQxrk18k3FT2DflvaOmr 3lTb/i1+OllbYVN0rTSjCTBhWRf8fZUVzEX7A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=U/7qrqhXjVdN/f0BXC2qOYuwRd6yeXYmwPMLlbYG4MzJvyAqURAkafXzbwcKO0MzsX +2TEsQjPnRxiuw/US1K8b2B3e5kuLcjJrKdne1QANYo57Thx8WbFBr3pgBkbTj6MNesh rzx//N7SeVVsXqjdLQCPM5+kVp0rrhVrk9hnE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:17:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <2yIYBD.A.brD.u6HENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:17:18 +0000 (UTC) > 2010/12/20 Raul Bonell > i >> bet this year we're not seeing a single snowflake. it's the perfect place to >> build that retiremet house for loopers. Fine. I'm moving in by Friday afternoon then. Just give me a couple of days to escape this snowscape! ;-) Per Sweden - so far... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 10:25:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6580F183461; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:25:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292927121; bh=URFhGWw1dzMUL++GbOEDprjjEYFjRx3IxxGdly+gtL4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6jDe9jQo/x57dZcKbjyjHmjRllpKPGuiXBxpt+usEMNs/tnmZB1i6ieYLCnBRlB/xdLpjppy7WgWHOpiNg3sNnspSJyGdV3GsVyWAjHPwZxEA2Ot6fnmUbQewcQVYKF6WWlD41bq33EmNCDefio36abgvo94SZUbVIbBoxdmn0w= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P9aIuxV2XvoWhoER9zRMBQKx/0XJaub+b2soWGd9SjZuzgjDfA/jcBL11A9UO/PU+AnTkSFBYuRV/fCdrtvqjbDxpMB/Q3P0llq9+pfIbX/buT8QG9QbL5RFVTbMQB0u6Tw3nrrbezPP/PAdEKQn/5g+qEFKQHqSa9uufb7Tu5o=; Message-ID: <697028.91418.qm@web120719.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 81mO5xAVM1mC8dbaeS2RmRBVOs64t0Q6dirRiOoXDVS8PrT ypssoEx2hxpsbH7xy5EWionGvYK8EDjloFUfEMM12qe7yJAcKrPqML81rs4G Znq3GZRmp3UfqU7tO5hNHZwqsIyB50tDVhtdOeqM1NQCHYTULDh3twzJ1XU_ D2WlC8IFzLWX9XFxj126_57EHbwGPnbzD4EIinKyPsm9_aglc_jjN2iCZ4T6 blgqI7bPbb_POp5zL4o8UB9zFzfzJ0kij_SU9DAQ1GjhPEYMadTqAwaoq1OK noCUheSx3gfa9.j2iBam2 X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <828348.59986.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <88FB0C7E-D935-401B-A5DE-036DD751F158@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 02:25:21 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <88FB0C7E-D935-401B-A5DE-036DD751F158@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1138444327-1292927121=:91418" Resent-Message-ID: <8SD3E.A.R8D.SCIENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:25:22 +0000 (UTC) --0-1138444327-1292927121=:91418 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii one thing you will notice is that the ultra conservatives have created a de facto monopoly on ethics; they are the keepers of morality. This is a real problem. Ethics are the most important topic of debate, the fibre of society. Most of the other information, mostly violent and perverse but so attractive, we get fed is used to clutter our minds and information channels so there is no room for any deliberate thought. And we need to be thinking about our ethics and debating about them with our fellow human beings. ANtony ________________________________ From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 1:10:54 AM Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > For a while, just a short while, a lot of things changed and it was a really >cool scene from many different perspectives. And then the plutocrats, oligarchs, theocrats and authoritarian right wingers flipped out -- they ramped up think tanks and consolidated media to push legislative and judicial agendas, and effectively used conservative talk radio to spread propaganda and disinformation -- techniques developed in advertising and psy-ops to manipulate, control, repress and suppress. What you see now is the result of a very successful campaign to rewrite history and skew its trajectory. Reagan came into office and America's head went up its ass. Forget about the environment, social justice and all the hippy pervert commie stuff. Greed is good, and be sure to embrace denial so that pesky facts don't intrude on your dreams of power, domination and conservative orthodoxy (morals and values). Apparently, the oil baron Koch brothers spent almost $900 million dollars just in 2009 to distort and muddy the messaging around the debate about climate change issues. Even basic things like the theory of evolution are smothered in caustic claptrap and bullshit. I would put the underlying message and impulse of the Sixties simply as -- Live Gently. Stop the raping and pillaging of the planet. Live as a symbiont, instead of a host destroying parasite. Become more aware of the interconnectedness of living systems and work to reduce the suffering caused by our ignorant, overwhelming, and short-sighted predation against the planet. Nothing magical, just basic common sense -- you'd think, unless that ability to think is impaired by sociopathic ideological toxic memes and lousy education. Pro-bonobo, peace groovy love etc. etc. cheers BobC --0-1138444327-1292927121=:91418 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
one thing you will notice is that the ultra conservatives have created a de facto monopoly on ethics; they are the keepers of morality. This is a real problem. Ethics are the most important topic of debate, the fibre of society.
Most of the other information, mostly violent and perverse but so attractive, we get fed is used to clutter our minds and information channels so there is no room for any deliberate thought. And we need to be thinking about our ethics and debating about them with our fellow human beings.

ANtony

From: RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 1:10:54 AM
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....


On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

> For a while, just a short while, a lot of things changed and it was a really cool scene from many different perspectives.


And then the plutocrats, oligarchs, theocrats and authoritarian right wingers flipped out -- they ramped up think tanks and consolidated media to push legislative and judicial agendas, and effectively used conservative talk radio to spread propaganda and disinformation -- techniques developed in advertising and psy-ops to manipulate, control, repress and suppress.

What you see now is the result of a very successful campaign to rewrite history and skew its trajectory.
Reagan came into office and America's head went up its ass.
Forget about the environment, social justice and all the hippy pervert commie stuff.
Greed is good, and be sure to embrace denial so that pesky facts don't intrude on your dreams of power, domination and conservative orthodoxy (morals and values).
Apparently, the oil baron Koch brothers spent almost $900 million dollars just in 2009 to distort and muddy the messaging around the debate about climate change issues.
Even basic things like the theory of evolution are smothered in caustic claptrap and bullshit.

I would put the underlying message and impulse of the Sixties simply as -- Live Gently.
Stop the raping and pillaging of the planet.
Live as a symbiont, instead of a host destroying parasite.
Become more aware of the interconnectedness of living systems and work to reduce the suffering caused by our ignorant, overwhelming, and short-sighted predation against the planet.

Nothing magical, just basic common sense -- you'd think, unless that ability to think is impaired by sociopathic ideological toxic memes and lousy education.


Pro-bonobo, peace groovy love etc. etc.

cheers


BobC


--0-1138444327-1292927121=:91418-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 10:26:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13646183461; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292927182; bh=kgcLhHDj+iewbvTgKTZt96zfGUjUuR4cPSPifRxmBvA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GcrA5Zpwb4FK5uIMH/YrLea1T2K4d6kGXkChp6Bv1BsEwxeRJ9AH24srHBvgfg3WWBf1H5pPodAvfWGKQH9XPg1HHSPVAs13AROcCWj5DGyDKpSW1kw8hJ+sKVeMYx048eODUf1JRvCO2rfpkuS+ruBR8DdkX6plQBg/9WN9j9M= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gM9qJK0Dcx1IRPRyLf7aEq/6tytTtg0CCFklbV+mq7Ulj4Qgbn+ezKQfL0/G012dpTtdzT+UJzO3BNQrGH1Tfy+LCeuPSgnWaobvoon8AqIgsVr95YJrpUZzPxihWN8ahCuasNup5QIorWKREuBQpsfGh46bckg7WAJ7ywoe32s=; Message-ID: <399468.77485.qm@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ZjdeEnkVM1k_yxf_pMpUQYy5sUeYEGur1K2V_45nTz.NyXU cqnJbfRFKMWrUsb3Tq55396B6D4y8QkAu0WjZGwq9NqLom.bMIIjIbBWbESq F375mV5N9U9DNh7F1PfxkCBZdVyzY5_iVnqgHHAeg07ORArMuKR.Ue6a.MCV .AvU68zBH3MUYpWT_qZ7FymFAKOUpR95o_gbj_s9.GK2zRtIoiAp88ez0r87 jQ76Ers0jEPhUw8wO_yud.h.uDPz2RU5kIZnKus5Pro3CCd4xwEVEepUASwt FRyolvJHd4OxJ7n4fHe7S X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 02:26:22 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: bundle up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-839949033-1292927182=:77485" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:26:23 +0000 (UTC) --0-839949033-1292927182=:77485 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I love the snow and the cold, and actually live at the foot of the Alps so I can get as much as I like. Antony ________________________________ From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 11:17:17 AM Subject: Re: OT: bundle up > 2010/12/20 Raul Bonell > i >> bet this year we're not seeing a single snowflake. it's the perfect place to >> build that retiremet house for loopers. Fine. I'm moving in by Friday afternoon then. Just give me a couple of days to escape this snowscape! ;-) Per Sweden - so far... --0-839949033-1292927182=:77485 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I love the snow and the cold, and actually live at the foot of the Alps so I can get as much as I like.

Antony

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 11:17:17 AM
Subject: Re: OT: bundle up

> 2010/12/20 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>  i
>> bet this year we're not seeing a single snowflake. it's the perfect place to
>> build that retiremet house for loopers.


Fine. I'm moving in by Friday afternoon then. Just give me a couple of
days to escape this snowscape! ;-)

Per
Sweden - so far...


--0-839949033-1292927182=:77485-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 10:26:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7C01183458; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_86f46a4e-d7b6-43ae-acd8-8a65475de3f3_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:26:33 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com> References: ,<838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<726302687839749391@unknownmsgid>,,<916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid>,,,<971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net>,,,<744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> <4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com>,<87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2010 10:26:33.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[89FC1110:01CBA0F9] Resent-Message-ID: <7ry5t.A.mIE.bDIENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:26:35 +0000 (UTC) --_86f46a4e-d7b6-43ae-acd8-8a65475de3f3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah=2C Beam me up Scotty! No=2C I will be Officially living in a van when I sell my house - gonna kit= it out as a practice studio etc too. The problem is that having no terrest= rial addrss brings all sorts of complications re banks etc.. Peace G From: revfever@ubergadget.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE Date: Mon=2C 20 Dec 2010 12:54:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Or=2C maybe he is wanting to do a "Julian Assange" and be nomadic and have = no "official" terrestrial address? (snicker!) Cheerios and Lucky Charms=2CRev. Fever On Dec 20=2C 2010=2C at 12:38 PM=2C Daryl Shawn wrote:Heh - no=2C it just s= ounded like Gareth was making a plan to depart this earthly plane in the Ne= w Year! Daryl Shawnwww.swanwelder.com Ok=2C Daryl=2C you got me curious there: is there some experience you'd li= ke to share? Daryl Shawn schrieb: DON'T DO IT=2C GARETH!! Daryl Shawnwww.swanwelder.com Cant' wait till I don't actually have a terrestrial address next year - th= at's gonna be a whole new can of worms.. Peace G=20 =20 = --_86f46a4e-d7b6-43ae-acd8-8a65475de3f3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah=2C Beam me up Scotty!
No=2C I will be Officially living in a van wh= en I sell my house - gonna kit it out as a practice studio etc too. The pro= blem is that having no terrestrial addrss brings all sorts of complications= re banks etc..

Peace

G

From: = revfever@ubergadget.com
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTUREDate: Mon=2C 20 Dec 2010 12:54:47 -0800
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-de= light.com

Or=2C maybe he is wanting to do a "Julian Assange" and be nomadic and have = no "official" =3Bterrestrial address? (snicker!)

Cheerios and Lucky Charms=2C
Rev. F= ever

On Dec 20=2C 2010=2C at 12:38 PM=2C Daryl Shawn wrote= :

Heh - no= =2C it just sounded like Gareth was making a plan to depart this earthly pl= ane in the New Year!

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com


Ok=2C Daryl=2C you got me curious th= ere: is there some experience you'd like to share?

Daryl Shawn schrieb:
DON'T DO IT=2C = GARETH!!

Daryl Shawn
www.s= wanwelder.com

=
Cant' wait till I don't actually have a terrestri= al address next year - that's gonna be a whole new can of worms..

Peace

G
=

= --_86f46a4e-d7b6-43ae-acd8-8a65475de3f3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 10:40:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AAC2183473; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_02bd987e-0fed-4e7f-a715-cd5710b56c4a_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:40:44 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <88FB0C7E-D935-401B-A5DE-036DD751F158@gmail.com> References: <828348.59986.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,<88FB0C7E-D935-401B-A5DE-036DD751F158@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2010 10:40:44.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[852FF820:01CBA0FB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:40:46 +0000 (UTC) --_02bd987e-0fed-4e7f-a715-cd5710b56c4a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Beautifully put. Better to light a candle than curse the darkness. Peace G > From: skeptikalist@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Pe= rformance Sampler Teaser.... > Date: Mon=2C 20 Dec 2010 16:10:54 -0800 >=20 >=20 > On Dec 20=2C 2010=2C at 1:09 PM=2C Paul Richards wrote: >=20 > > For a while=2C just a short while=2C a lot of things changed and it was= =20 > > a really cool scene from many different perspectives. >=20 >=20 > And then the plutocrats=2C oligarchs=2C theocrats and authoritarian right= =20 > wingers flipped out -- they ramped up think tanks and consolidated =20 > media to push legislative and judicial agendas=2C and effectively used =20 > conservative talk radio to spread propaganda and disinformation -- =20 > techniques developed in advertising and psy-ops to manipulate=2C =20 > control=2C repress and suppress. >=20 > What you see now is the result of a very successful campaign to =20 > rewrite history and skew its trajectory. > Reagan came into office and America's head went up its ass. > Forget about the environment=2C social justice and all the hippy pervert = =20 > commie stuff. > Greed is good=2C and be sure to embrace denial so that pesky facts don't = =20 > intrude on your dreams of power=2C domination and conservative orthodoxy = =20 > (morals and values). > Apparently=2C the oil baron Koch brothers spent almost $900 million =20 > dollars just in 2009 to distort and muddy the messaging around the =20 > debate about climate change issues. > Even basic things like the theory of evolution are smothered in =20 > caustic claptrap and bullshit. >=20 > I would put the underlying message and impulse of the Sixties simply =20 > as -- Live Gently. > Stop the raping and pillaging of the planet. > Live as a symbiont=2C instead of a host destroying parasite. > Become more aware of the interconnectedness of living systems and work =20 > to reduce the suffering caused by our ignorant=2C overwhelming=2C and =20 > short-sighted predation against the planet. >=20 > Nothing magical=2C just basic common sense -- you'd think=2C unless that = =20 > ability to think is impaired by sociopathic ideological toxic memes =20 > and lousy education. >=20 >=20 > Pro-bonobo=2C peace groovy love etc. etc. >=20 > cheers >=20 >=20 > BobC >=20 = --_02bd987e-0fed-4e7f-a715-cd5710b56c4a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Beautifully put.
Better to light a candle than curse the darkness.
Peace

G

>=3B From: skeptikalist@gmail.com
>=3B To: L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MA= SS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....
= >=3B Date: Mon=2C 20 Dec 2010 16:10:54 -0800
>=3B
>=3B
>= =3B On Dec 20=2C 2010=2C at 1:09 PM=2C Paul Richards wrote:
>=3B
&= gt=3B >=3B For a while=2C just a short while=2C a lot of things changed a= nd it was
>=3B >=3B a really cool scene from many different perspe= ctives.
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B And then the plutocrats=2C oligarch= s=2C theocrats and authoritarian right
>=3B wingers flipped out -- t= hey ramped up think tanks and consolidated
>=3B media to push legisl= ative and judicial agendas=2C and effectively used
>=3B conservative= talk radio to spread propaganda and disinformation --
>=3B techniqu= es developed in advertising and psy-ops to manipulate=2C
>=3B contro= l=2C repress and suppress.
>=3B
>=3B What you see now is the res= ult of a very successful campaign to
>=3B rewrite history and skew i= ts trajectory.
>=3B Reagan came into office and America's head went up= its ass.
>=3B Forget about the environment=2C social justice and all = the hippy pervert
>=3B commie stuff.
>=3B Greed is good=2C and = be sure to embrace denial so that pesky facts don't
>=3B intrude on = your dreams of power=2C domination and conservative orthodoxy
>=3B (= morals and values).
>=3B Apparently=2C the oil baron Koch brothers spe= nt almost $900 million
>=3B dollars just in 2009 to distort and mudd= y the messaging around the
>=3B debate about climate change issues.<= br>>=3B Even basic things like the theory of evolution are smothered in =
>=3B caustic claptrap and bullshit.
>=3B
>=3B I would put = the underlying message and impulse of the Sixties simply
>=3B as -- = Live Gently.
>=3B Stop the raping and pillaging of the planet.
>= =3B Live as a symbiont=2C instead of a host destroying parasite.
>=3B = Become more aware of the interconnectedness of living systems and work >=3B to reduce the suffering caused by our ignorant=2C overwhelming=2C a= nd
>=3B short-sighted predation against the planet.
>=3B
&g= t=3B Nothing magical=2C just basic common sense -- you'd think=2C unless th= at
>=3B ability to think is impaired by sociopathic ideological toxi= c memes
>=3B and lousy education.
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B Pr= o-bonobo=2C peace groovy love etc. etc.
>=3B
>=3B cheers
>= =3B
>=3B
>=3B BobC
>=3B
= --_02bd987e-0fed-4e7f-a715-cd5710b56c4a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 10:42:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99DE918347B; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4ea9850d-ef30-4bf3-b3b7-8f3a3f5dd6d5_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT: bundle up Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:42:03 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,<-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid>,,<840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com>,,<834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2010 10:42:02.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[B40A9920:01CBA0FB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:42:05 +0000 (UTC) --_4ea9850d-ef30-4bf3-b3b7-8f3a3f5dd6d5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Raul=2C shouldn't you be wearing trousers too =3B-) G Date: Mon=2C 20 Dec 2010 22:55:19 +0100 Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: raul.bonell@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com i have no heating at home & have just washed dishes dressing a t-shirt. i b= et this year we're not seeing a single snowflake. it's the perfect place to= build that retiremet house for loopers. maybe it's true that saying=2C we = don't belong to europe but africa. ra=FCl. --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos = inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a = las PYMES=2C aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo pa= ra los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1nge= la!!! =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo=2C claro est= =E1=2C para no enfadar a las grandes empresas=2C a los bancos=2C a los merc= ados... = --_4ea9850d-ef30-4bf3-b3b7-8f3a3f5dd6d5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Raul=2C shouldn't you be wearing trousers too =3B-)

G

Date: Mon=2C 20 Dec 2010 22:55:19 +0100
Subject: Re= : OT: bundle up
From: raul.bonell@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com

i have no heating at home &=3B have just washed di= shes dressing a t-shirt. i bet this year we're not seeing a single snowflak= e. it's the perfect place to build that retiremet house for loopers. maybe = it's true that saying=2C we don't belong to europe but africa.

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= --_4ea9850d-ef30-4bf3-b3b7-8f3a3f5dd6d5_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 11:18:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEF01183487; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eMkBYs+BLH9k/NhQYDDIndXBOHtf9tS69Uf4NxLJUno=; b=HosDwLL9t6ro4ki2KuRO/1OaO7SB9+5ba6H5rvrdSN9k1R5Y7B441qxQBiPYF+4NsB YIh7YI08CyycAhUBJwXMTYMovH3j5ltDQ0VeWbF2zuqE8mYRdLUduxpTSU6cCfvVClGh KLpZKMHSoQd/e+3/PhOJyJwZnuvu7DPy8vPdg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QbAgYlNE7IyKeXOs0fYtdrqdFl3vtaGNrIbGUG38GJc2RWXEDZ4JmBmVCjbu0lqwst 63SQF9KzjhHhModvM5ww1rpWyJO3QfY918xyeGeehXv7Xs0Db52wn+dv1culiHP3b7uk SOmSljr1JweAPacmwUN6WtoPkTHw7YiEYsjTw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> <744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> <4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com> <87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:18:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:18:40 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Somone wrote: > do a "Julian Assange" and be nomadic and have no "official"=C2=A0terrestr= ial > address? I planned to register my mail by a post box, rent out my flat to someone with a regular income and start sleeping wherever I could find a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my living costs. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by authorities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to have a proper address where you actually live. I guess that's an old (obsolete?) law once used to catch bums? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 12:12:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56ED2183459; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292933575; bh=LWMPhuvRk3dngo/QLg2jfncUHJ2aVcCwbdBgYG5VL2I=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H9pqvfaeIoO2ACvS6RQO1G9KHxhYpWLUc0iWQ5KueuPVTG6rDjhMUzk5qtVDxWq7FxhTGM08P8jdS7s7pn5agk7gnRQ+JQ4TIVmcbceBxfEfpg9Mm25hZGTUZHrnXU86r6n4rdBTP86LBmnjMiyBBR0SG71+tY8xAi/qo+ohWkQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hBYUGh/581ERrkAypdnVa1y8QgjDIBmRMnDVU0a9T/IDt67Feg4d1LH2gChw+Ac4ivCo+DaO2U0T9STlefm1fPz2wM4qfF0MYFjksbJ9kt5iskphFXMDaXwFQ0rj2gnbOwX5ICxpfh886yFAZ5b4rLKHXTagSpRExFsIlwLRwNM=; Message-ID: <877074.20646.qm@web120710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: oAaipcUVM1mM62CaZd2ZObaenLkE1yTzzu6x2U1ynlQ.UHM hHAteM8JwqWy0l2V2NvipkI2iZq.P6OnKoWSF2Qv7fc2ISE5hnY_3prwk8II h9VVE636XWbJazXfWFaLoNBOsN1WxvWJgZZsyXOrMzhAlDGfKSLL7XwoUUpT c2Dl27eKADXgax.DhoGrNYzMv9l_phe49DDiDM8c13svRumwHuB4FuixHcOe jrJWz.emIVsS34mQVvS2_srbCs1_r7GTpTobNKgNz1L9VBboBhzfWaVk1Ojx ATTESs5saT7gZWI3bYAtS X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <828348.59986.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <88FB0C7E-D935-401B-A5DE-036DD751F158@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 04:12:55 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <88FB0C7E-D935-401B-A5DE-036DD751F158@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-165517037-1292933575=:20646" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:12:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-165517037-1292933575=:20646 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii so why do we sit passively and watch all this happen, it is our world too... Antony ________________________________ From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 1:10:54 AM Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > For a while, just a short while, a lot of things changed and it was a really >cool scene from many different perspectives. And then the plutocrats, oligarchs, theocrats and authoritarian right wingers flipped out -- they ramped up think tanks and consolidated media to push legislative and judicial agendas, and effectively used conservative talk radio to spread propaganda and disinformation -- techniques developed in advertising and psy-ops to manipulate, control, repress and suppress. What you see now is the result of a very successful campaign to rewrite history and skew its trajectory. Reagan came into office and America's head went up its ass. Forget about the environment, social justice and all the hippy pervert commie stuff. Greed is good, and be sure to embrace denial so that pesky facts don't intrude on your dreams of power, domination and conservative orthodoxy (morals and values). Apparently, the oil baron Koch brothers spent almost $900 million dollars just in 2009 to distort and muddy the messaging around the debate about climate change issues. Even basic things like the theory of evolution are smothered in caustic claptrap and bullshit. I would put the underlying message and impulse of the Sixties simply as -- Live Gently. Stop the raping and pillaging of the planet. Live as a symbiont, instead of a host destroying parasite. Become more aware of the interconnectedness of living systems and work to reduce the suffering caused by our ignorant, overwhelming, and short-sighted predation against the planet. Nothing magical, just basic common sense -- you'd think, unless that ability to think is impaired by sociopathic ideological toxic memes and lousy education. Pro-bonobo, peace groovy love etc. etc. cheers BobC --0-165517037-1292933575=:20646 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
so why do we sit passively and watch all this happen, it is our world too...

Antony

From: RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 1:10:54 AM
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....


On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

> For a while, just a short while, a lot of things changed and it was a really cool scene from many different perspectives.


And then the plutocrats, oligarchs, theocrats and authoritarian right wingers flipped out -- they ramped up think tanks and consolidated media to push legislative and judicial agendas, and effectively used conservative talk radio to spread propaganda and disinformation -- techniques developed in advertising and psy-ops to manipulate, control, repress and suppress.

What you see now is the result of a very successful campaign to rewrite history and skew its trajectory.
Reagan came into office and America's head went up its ass.
Forget about the environment, social justice and all the hippy pervert commie stuff.
Greed is good, and be sure to embrace denial so that pesky facts don't intrude on your dreams of power, domination and conservative orthodoxy (morals and values).
Apparently, the oil baron Koch brothers spent almost $900 million dollars just in 2009 to distort and muddy the messaging around the debate about climate change issues.
Even basic things like the theory of evolution are smothered in caustic claptrap and bullshit.

I would put the underlying message and impulse of the Sixties simply as -- Live Gently.
Stop the raping and pillaging of the planet.
Live as a symbiont, instead of a host destroying parasite.
Become more aware of the interconnectedness of living systems and work to reduce the suffering caused by our ignorant, overwhelming, and short-sighted predation against the planet.

Nothing magical, just basic common sense -- you'd think, unless that ability to think is impaired by sociopathic ideological toxic memes and lousy education.


Pro-bonobo, peace groovy love etc. etc.

cheers


BobC


--0-165517037-1292933575=:20646-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 12:47:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF361183459; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Z+xwRME6Mhb/8I+RanRHMrCsEAZ6SlO8Mqw3kNNsO9s=; b=daR79VvodCrkGpRlGFaJTcIydKGqq/CwMqBqZqQOYabJzNaCJVpDoFvVhwbOm6a3Pb mvqhgvVuwikN6X04ASOr/xxuW3Hl+BIAMl+ap/JqyxlXuhE3R0CxpITzjhJ++HEQih3J o0QeKwshIKMLieERnFyylQto+IEP+vMinmgT8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=MDOM56EPEBNa7DK7K39HyN9Jj/iPEI4BeiZ9JLs3xMIyliDW2ZP7WVjglya77r2bfq AL2OIe+QEy4s3wBzAM0ITt6Nu4zkqjzePHPrUOfvvKRIZfL9ML8HTYgDvuwcTUtFDkqH BYj0jkIblPoGZzOXI4tbYZrouQPqiwrfVem0A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:47:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6434baa0459de0497eb096a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:47:12 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6434baa0459de0497eb096a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great words, Ted. I'm with you. Thanks for this OT but interesting discussion. -f 2010/12/20 tEd =AE KiLLiAn > Hi ho, > > While we're on this important (if very off-topic) topic . . . > > I have to say that it is so refreshing to hear these sorts of thoughts > being expressed on this list. > > I may be reading a lot more into these statements here than is really bei= ng > expressed there. > > And, they might not even be particularly widely-held opinions. > > However, just the fact that some of my esteemed creative colleagues here > also feel like "enough is enough" with the self-absorbed, self-focused, > self-actualized, self-stimulating, navel-gazing, orgy of it's all about > me-me-me-me-me 24/7 (and violence), that the western world has been in > thrall to in for the past 2-3 decades (since the demise of '60s activism)= , > it gives me hope. > > Even though the forces arrayed against us (and our children) are great, > it's encouraging to find that other "creative types" see something of it > too. > > It's all happened because global commercial interests have deliberately > warped the initial idealism of the '60s era - because they've found out t= hat > it's a million, million times easier to sell unneeded goods and services = to > hyper-selfish people with obsessive, addictive needs for personal > "actualization" and gratification of every imaginable (or often even > unimaginable) want or desire, than it is to sell to people who still have > that "little moral policeman" in their heads saying "wait, hold off, mayb= e > this isn't the best choice." > > Why are our children becoming more and more addicted to ever more > realistically depicted violence (and remember that video games don't just > show you the stuff, they make you participate in it and make choices). > > Why can't little Johnny or little Suzzie read, but still know every > intimate detail of every online game and YouTube meme out there? > > Why do so many Americans drive monstrous vehicles that are not even > remotely practical - and likely as not own 2 of them. > > Why is Christmas all about the materialistic goodies and presents and > hardly about "spiritual" matters at all? > > Why is America struggling with massive debt and even more massive obesity= ? > > Because we can't say "no" to ourselves. > > People who can't say "no" to themselves make better consumers . . . and > better soldiers. > > People who can't say "no" to themselves will buy themselves into deep deb= t. > > People who can't say "no" to themselves will always "super-size" it (and = go > back for more). > > People who can't say "no" will argue less when comes the time that their > true masters want them to invade another country in their interests. > > They'll be more inclined to see it as in their own interest, and those > other poor people "over there" as just images on a screen and explainable > (and even tolerable) as "collateral damage" - and, besides, they > existentially "don't matter" because they're "not us". > > "Enough is enough" I say. > > Turn the TV off, read a book (preferably and old one). > > Buy local (or better yet second-hand, used). > > Make your own. > > Grow your own. > > Barter. > > "Tune out" to mass culture and fashion. > > Read a "real" newspaper. > > Eat less and do more. > > Do things with people, starting with your own family. > > Join a community of some sort (be a part of something larger than yoursel= f, > find something good). > > Learn to look for good, value/comment/celebrate it in others, cultivate > virtues in yourself, and teach them to your children. > > Be kind, be patient, be others-aware (more than self-aware) . . . and abo= ve > all, be self-critical. > > If just a few of us do that, we'll be okay (I think). > > Cheers, > > Ted > > On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:47 AM, mark francombe wrote: > > Anthony, I COMPLETELY agree with that point you were making... sorry if I >> didn't respond to THAT, its a very important issue, and one that means t= hat >> my kids do not get to watch ANY TELEVISION OR COMPUTER without me or my = wife >> being present, and I expect this rule will continue until they are teens= . >> > > --0016e6434baa0459de0497eb096a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great words, Ted.
I'm with you.
Thanks for this OT but interesting discussion.
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-f

2010/12/20 tEd =AE KiLLiAn <= ;tedkillian@charter.net>
Hi ho,

While we're on= this important (if very off-topic) topic . . .

I have to say that i= t is so refreshing to hear these sorts of thoughts being expressed on this = list.

I may be reading a lot more into these statements here than is really b= eing expressed there.

And, they might not even be particularly widel= y-held opinions.

However, just the fact that some of my esteemed cre= ative colleagues here also feel like "enough is enough" with the = self-absorbed, self-focused, self-actualized, self-stimulating, navel-gazin= g, orgy of it's all about me-me-me-me-me 24/7 (and violence), that the = western world has been in thrall to in for the past 2-3 decades (since the = demise of '60s activism), it gives me hope.

Even though the forces arrayed against us (and our children) are great,= it's encouraging to find that other "creative types" see som= ething of it too.

It's all happened because global commercial in= terests have deliberately warped the initial idealism of the '60s era -= because they've found out that it's a million, million times easie= r to sell unneeded goods and services to hyper-selfish people with obsessiv= e, addictive needs for personal "actualization" and gratification= of every imaginable (or often even unimaginable) want or desire, than it i= s to sell to people who still have that "little moral policeman" = in their heads saying "wait, hold off, maybe this isn't the best c= hoice."

Why are our children becoming more and more addicted to ever more reali= stically depicted violence (and remember that video games don't just sh= ow you the stuff, they make you participate in it and make choices).

Why can't little Johnny or little Suzzie read, but still know every= intimate detail of every online game and YouTube meme out there?

Wh= y do so many Americans drive monstrous vehicles that are not even remotely = practical - and likely as not own 2 of them.

Why is Christmas all about the materialistic goodies and presents and h= ardly about "spiritual" matters at all?

Why is America str= uggling with massive debt and even more massive obesity?

Because we = can't say "no" to ourselves.

People who can't say "no" to themselves make better consu= mers . . . and better soldiers.

People who can't say "no&qu= ot; to themselves will buy themselves into deep debt.

People who can= 't say "no" to themselves will always "super-size" = it (and go back for more).

People who can't say "no" will argue less when comes the = time that their true masters want them to invade another country in their i= nterests.

They'll be more inclined to see it as in their own int= erest, and those other poor people "over there" as just images on= a screen and explainable (and even tolerable) as "collateral damage&q= uot; - and, besides, they existentially "don't matter" becaus= e they're "not us".

"Enough is enough" I say.

Turn the TV off, read a book= (preferably and old one).

Buy local (or better yet second-hand, use= d).

Make your own.

Grow your own.

Barter.

"= ;Tune out" to mass culture and fashion.

Read a "real" newspaper.

Eat less and do more.

= Do things with people, starting with your own family.

Join a communi= ty of some sort (be a part of something larger than yourself, find somethin= g good).

Learn to look for good, value/comment/celebrate it in others, cultivate= virtues in yourself, and teach them to your children.

Be kind, be p= atient, be others-aware (more than self-aware) . . . and above all, be self= -critical.

If just a few of us do that, we'll be okay (I think).

Cheers= ,

Ted

On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:47 AM, mark francombe wrote:
<= br>
Anthony, I COMPLETELY agree with= that point you were making... sorry if I didn't respond to THAT, its a= very important issue, and one that means that my kids do not get to watch = ANY TELEVISION OR COMPUTER without me or my wife being present, and I expec= t this rule will continue until they are teens.


--0016e6434baa0459de0497eb096a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 12:54:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C69718345A; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292936061; bh=RxZE2HFAxxMbNYcfuUL4gMi2sphCUxSyzLirOxdnBqg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dCiY0c3Yl20jlS0qAz5MipPgpvZ5M4pwkl+gHr6zEXd7H3N/L6/1CI7whWU2ooYA93b6CwKATHTvFhEGzLT70r8vZun/MLNxwJR0AYsfxD/AEd9YWbatCUskdE7JL0OmozYNKnpr+SQdULLhTVGUtsC5iiHD8eJzSNulsD2QH4M= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ti8G4hSgQHRxtxfNGtKQ0IyAPiJis7hiFFKkQhezID32ClqOWuNJdZrSdEEvV4kPrt/NGLlOdTL+v8BX9fwgp+DKVdtHiM7ruIeMULw6Iz47hBLJstDlYIg94XQgS9dGuMGmTjosqxO9vzQsBNZog2RB9KEx7TzOUOjR9DgieCc=; Message-ID: <603417.62765.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Uf8YPLsVM1kPKngQck8WVmra.AvYlZQuT4djVdoPvlwgmC5 BjTXS0Fj4zGfjpeqnvm_bQa1pW.mnIRaLuey04UTHaHmbYL7zxqoQgJJqhcG SYSi5XjIUk7Y6.Clqcc0MBjjFdkbylCgVTxps3vAbSjFAfh_GmrZjYoikbxO skn08y2mCkVFauiNQK_BRv11cwlptwghu9DAgxas0w7.hRjPO8d3eatF9Oco ielkP5AWLX_AeJio8_5NPvgc_7PP22YkFDeXJT0YzfK_jKxGGrvLwvlnTT.. IbuaZTcN0va0qfURcciHmJrV7gurYdvov7cXuWVrdmxKxZEqpUCenkinsyIH 5qtrAZHDTmLFWBaNoskFsUXoN7xEcua923Oz.u6GnCG_.SJvVvm3dbxiwQax 3DRGp90DidY.pog-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 04:54:21 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7912438512463718147@unknownmsgid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1670444289-1292936061=:62765" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:54:23 +0000 (UTC) --0-1670444289-1292936061=:62765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (Remember if you will that Hendrix came to the UK to find an audience...) =A0 Hendrix was one of many: the Electric Prunes, Iron Butterfly, Autosalvage, = Spirit, Big Brother & the Holding Company, the Airplane, the Rotary Connect= ion, et al.=20 --- On Tue, 12/21/10, mark francombe wrote: From: mark francombe Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Perf= ormance Sampler Teaser.... To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 3:19 AM Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 21 Dec 2010, at 01:32, Paul Richards wrote= : > Anyway, what do you know? Probably never even went to Woodstock. Wait a m= inute! Neither did I. But I could have! :) (stolen from Chilly Scenes of a = Winter). Ah ha... another american who believes everything started in the US... Whats woodstock but the beginning of the end.. I know and have read volumes on this period in history, infact a bit if a bore about UK psychedelia, as i have researched a game concept thats playing area and time is London soho '68. Remember if you will that Hendrix came to the UK to find an audience... > Chilly Scenes of a Winter is a name i recognise.... Edmund me? (Edmund was iphones spelling of remind!!) Mark =0A=0A=0A --0-1670444289-1292936061=:62765 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(Remember if you will that Hendrix came = to the UK to find an audience...)
 
Hendrix was one of many: the Electric Prunes, Iron Butterfly, Autosalv= age, Spirit, Big Brother & the Holding Company, the Airplane, the Rotar= y Connection, et al.



--- On Tue, 12/21/10, mark francomb= e <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:

From: mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com&= gt;
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatra= ck Performance Sampler Teaser....
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c= om" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Tuesday, December = 21, 2010, 3:19 AM

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 21 De= c 2010, at 01:32, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:

> = Anyway, what do you know? Probably never even went to Woodstock. Wait a min= ute! Neither did I. But I could have! :) (stolen from Chilly Scenes of a Wi= nter).


Ah ha... another american who believes everything started= in the US...
Whats woodstock but the beginning of the end.. I know and = have read
volumes on this period in history, infact a bit if a bore abou= t UK
psychedelia, as i have researched a game concept thats playing area=
and time is London soho '68.
Remember if you will that Hendrix came = to the UK to find an audience...

> Chilly Scenes of a Winter is a= name i recognise....

Edmund me?

(Edmund was iphones spelling of remind!!)

Mark


= =0A=0A --0-1670444289-1292936061=:62765-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 14:08:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0ACB1183458; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Is4d65dRDknnlx2dk2ozsM8IhbZHMrG53v3AMRHB580=; b=ZRWblwgOiGfccPnQi2rV3kEqE+ePYNGibJqOYjZp5JZibtpudZgZsE1Ao0HFnHXnYz TDQByewdDni5jz2Owm5UIl2t05GrR0tUJffJPyiKJ4S1rSsIsR9WZFN+K10KBx2cYPoz OJjVGD4h5rsB2i0DZCJSqFUtj810ondgLrNMM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZV4tRuHG/ZHODVOKD2iQE3HDRa4CH7GXvEklshxJIVwJx8e/fPXAum0ur7a2OZBdhE JHp+ZD0qxI/tUFabN6z8NIhYG4VFt7rE5UR1KcHtH2bB539zJeVwuN4r7Ol14+Wt7XKw 6YXrb0cvZySjIknEr5zpFZCV3S3PC+aiDBEgA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> <744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> <4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com> <87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:08:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e644d0c67db8e40497ec2bde Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:08:25 +0000 (UTC) --0016e644d0c67db8e40497ec2bde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2010/12/21 Per Boysen perboysen@gmail.com wrote: I planned to register my mail by a post box, rent out my flat to > someone with a regular income and start sleeping wherever I could find > a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my living > costs. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by > authorities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to have > a proper address where you actually live. I guess that's an old > (obsolete?) law once used to catch bums? > A resident address is needed: it's a part of your Identity Card data even in your country I guess, but your are not costrained to live in the same place you've declared. I guess you could "legally declare" that you reside in your parent's (or friend's) house and you are still free to live or sleep where ever you want. That address will be used by government administrations and justice courts as the place where notifications are legally done. So, it'd be better to to check that place for possible notifications to be aware of them. Anyway...whenever you like, I have a free bed for you and jam to play ;-) -f --0016e644d0c67db8e40497ec2bde Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2010/12/21 Per Boysen perboysen@gmail.com=A0wrote:
=
I planned to register my mail by= a post box, rent out my flat to
someone with a regular income and start= sleeping wherever I could find
a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my living
co= sts. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by
author= ities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to have
a proper= address where you actually live. I guess that's an old
(obsolete?) law once used to catch bums?
A resident address is needed: it's a part of your Identity Card da= ta even in your country I guess, but your are not costrained to live in the= same place you've declared.
I guess you could "legally declare" that you reside in your = parent's (or friend's) house and you are still free to live or slee= p where ever you want.
That address will be used by government administrations and justice co= urts as the place where notifications are legally done.
So, it'd be better to to check that place for possible notificatio= ns to be aware of them.
Anyway...whenever you like, I have a free bed for you and jam to play= =A0 ;-)
=A0
-f
=A0
--0016e644d0c67db8e40497ec2bde-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 14:16:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05A79183459; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:16:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> <744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> <4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com> <87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com> From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:15:41 -0500 To: Thread-Topic: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE Thread-Index: AcuhGbNb1aXWlSa4TMGVG+Yq4NNWMQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2010 14:16:47.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3C1ADA0:01CBA119] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:16:48 +0000 (UTC) Hey Per just come on over to Deep Gap, North Carolina, I got eighty acres yo= u can throw your sleeping bag wherever you want and theres a back door to th= e recording studio. I think looped flute would go nice with the whiporwills a= t night!!! Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 21, 2010, at 6:18 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Somone wrote: >> do a "Julian Assange" and be nomadic and have no "official" terrestrial >> address? >=20 >=20 > I planned to register my mail by a post box, rent out my flat to > someone with a regular income and start sleeping wherever I could find > a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my living > costs. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by > authorities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to have > a proper address where you actually live. I guess that's an old > (obsolete?) law once used to catch bums? >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 14:22:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 729DF183474; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xAlSDmXN7gCGPpB5dIo2Bw)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012210047 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-21_04:2010-12-21,2010-12-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <697028.91418.qm@web120719.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 07:21:51 -0700 References: <828348.59986.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <88FB0C7E-D935-401B-A5DE-036DD751F158@gmail.com> <697028.91418.qm@web120719.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <_wGbd.A.AVB.LgLENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:22:03 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_xAlSDmXN7gCGPpB5dIo2Bw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT the problem is your dealing with a crowd of hypocrits who's ethics are ordained from above - there is no debate! On Dec 21, 2010, at 3:25 AM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: > one thing you will notice is that the ultra conservatives have > created a de facto monopoly on ethics; they are the keepers of > morality. This is a real problem. Ethics are the most important > topic of debate, the fibre of society. > ANtony --Boundary_(ID_xAlSDmXN7gCGPpB5dIo2Bw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable the problem is your dealing = with a crowd of hypocrits who's ethics are ordained from above - there = is no debate!

On Dec 21, 2010, at 3:25 AM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com = wrote:

one thing you will notice is that the ultra = conservatives have created a de facto monopoly on ethics; they are the = keepers of morality. This is a real problem. Ethics are the most = important topic of debate, the fibre of = society.
X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58342183457; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6e1e5b88-1e49-4978-be64-6535d196d2cb_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:29:30 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<726302687839749391@unknownmsgid>,,<916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid>,,,<971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net>,,,<744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,,,<4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com>,<4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com>,<4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com>,<87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com>,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2010 14:29:30.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A8DBF90:01CBA11B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:29:32 +0000 (UTC) --_6e1e5b88-1e49-4978-be64-6535d196d2cb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep they want us all in out little boxes=2C strangled by bills and debt.=20 There's man-made laws and there's moral laws - they're not always the same = unfortunately. I resent some old etonian millionaire telling me how to live= my life - you only get one crack of the whip.. but I digress.. Peace G > Date: Tue=2C 21 Dec 2010 12:18:39 +0100 > Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > On Tue=2C Dec 21=2C 2010 at 11:26 AM=2C Somone wrote: > > do a "Julian Assange" and be nomadic and have no "official" terrestrial > > address? >=20 >=20 > I planned to register my mail by a post box=2C rent out my flat to > someone with a regular income and start sleeping wherever I could find > a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my living > costs. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by > authorities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to have > a proper address where you actually live. I guess that's an old > (obsolete?) law once used to catch bums? >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 = --_6e1e5b88-1e49-4978-be64-6535d196d2cb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep they want us all in out little boxes=2C strangled by bills and debt. There's man-made laws and there's moral laws - they're not always the sam= e unfortunately. I resent some old etonian millionaire telling me how to li= ve my life - you only get one crack of the whip..
but I digress..
Peace

G

>=3B Date: Tue=2C 21 Dec 2010 12:18:39 +0100
&g= t=3B Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE
>=3B From: perboys= en@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B >=3B On Tue=2C Dec 21=2C 2010 at 11:26 AM=2C Somone wrote:
>=3B &g= t=3B do a "Julian Assange" and be nomadic and have no "official" =3Bter= restrial
>=3B >=3B address?
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B I planne= d to register my mail by a post box=2C rent out my flat to
>=3B someon= e with a regular income and start sleeping wherever I could find
>=3B = a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my living
&g= t=3B costs. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by>=3B authorities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to ha= ve
>=3B a proper address where you actually live. I guess that's an ol= d
>=3B (obsolete?) law once used to catch bums?
>=3B
>=3B G= reetings from Sweden
>=3B
>=3B Per Boysen
>=3B www.boysen.s= e
>=3B www.perboysen.com
>=3B www.looproom.com internet music hub=
>=3B
= --_6e1e5b88-1e49-4978-be64-6535d196d2cb_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 15:05:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7657F183466; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=SVPfnN2DKrCDVD4eXWerZxm6OJ5UepWnwm+5+11hiE4=; b=lZoyZ+DKIQTQ4Mqo54/mDViTopH5/6T25yP0QYhhS3V7JtRszO1VkrF1XBp7fpApZE LfnyaaZiFZBlqWGl6dLuLGZWI3RjjJe1fxf14FDZ20wIxhEkgodEELhfLJP7A0CI9pN4 Ux4csbzuTk4iialr4b3xOrn74ta6nTI3Tj/l0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=EzLt916eEJiCVBLQqG4eFjHw822issCpwlFM/buSKBEM8KyttGFkqeX9Q9p9wte0Zs k/C4JGibI5SW2nsBXOPoKbU3iGWwoI3znr4BVE19VExIwmRpMUubmN1O0MYp9j74vTJB f6I8l7h3BKGXM3EN18ZJnmUABrGsyGd7KK81E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> <744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> <4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com> <87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:05:02 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Xh87fninU82F6aQo_BuY0tSp91k Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8f3a3f1fc90497ecf7c5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:05:24 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8f3a3f1fc90497ecf7c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I once managed to live outside of the residency rules for a few months. I went on tour for 8 months and the day I left I handed in the key to my apartment. My stuff was in storage and I changed my mail to my parents. When I got back I tried to stay like that for a bit, and lived with a girl-friend. It felt very nice. Officially I suppose I was registered at my parents but I was living off cash for the most part and managed to avoid signing anything. In the end I dived back in by buying an apartment, again.. in cash... but there was no getting around signing a few things, and the paper trail has followed me ever since. When I emigrated, I had a small.. er.. 1000 pounds bill with mastercard.. tried to run away from it Im afraid... covering my tracks as a ran... It took 6 years, but one day I got a phone call from a collection agency in Scotland... Mr Francombe.. I said yes... He said.. I have you down on my... heh heh Search and Destroy list..." busted... Mark On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Yep they want us all in out little boxes, strangled by bills and debt. > There's man-made laws and there's moral laws - they're not always the same > unfortunately. I resent some old etonian millionaire telling me how to live > my life - you only get one crack of the whip.. > but I digress.. > > Peace > > G > > > Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:18:39 +0100 > > Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE > > From: perboysen@gmail.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Somone wrote: > > > do a "Julian Assange" and be nomadic and have no "official" terrestrial > > > address? > > > > > > I planned to register my mail by a post box, rent out my flat to > > someone with a regular income and start sleeping wherever I could find > > a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my living > > costs. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by > > authorities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to have > > a proper address where you actually live. I guess that's an old > > (obsolete?) law once used to catch bums? > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se > > www.perboysen.com > > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8f3a3f1fc90497ecf7c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I once managed to live outside of the residency rules for a few months. I w= ent on tour for 8 months and the day I left I handed in the key to my apart= ment. My stuff was in storage and I changed my mail to my parents.

When I got back I tried to stay like that for a bit, and lived with a girl-= friend. It felt very nice. Officially I suppose I was registered at my pare= nts but I was living off cash for the most part and managed to avoid signin= g anything.

In the end I dived back in by buying an apartment, again.. in cash... b= ut there was no getting around signing a few things, and the paper trail ha= s followed me ever since.

When I emigrated, I had a small.. er.. 100= 0 pounds bill with mastercard.. tried to run away from it Im afraid... cove= ring my tracks as a ran...=A0 It took 6 years, but one day I got a phone ca= ll from a collection agency in Scotland... Mr Francombe.. I said yes... He = said.. I have you down on my... heh heh Search and Destroy list..."
busted...

Mark


On Tue, Dec= 21, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:=
Yep they want us all in out little boxes, strangled by bills and debt.
= There's man-made laws and there's moral laws - they're not alwa= ys the same unfortunately. I resent some old etonian millionaire telling me= how to live my life - you only get one crack of the whip..
but I digress..

Peace

G

> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12= :18:39 +0100
> Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE
>= From: perboysen@g= mail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

> > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Somone wrote:
> > do a &q= uot;Julian Assange" and be nomadic and have no "official"=A0= terrestrial
> > address?
>
>
> I planned to register my mail = by a post box, rent out my flat to
> someone with a regular income an= d start sleeping wherever I could find
> a free spot for my sleeping = bag. All this as a way to lower my living
> costs. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by> authorities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to have=
> a proper address where you actually live. I guess that's an ol= d
> (obsolete?) law once used to catch bums?
>
> Greetings fr= om Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com= internet music hub
>



--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancomb= e
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e8f3a3f1fc90497ecf7c5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 15:29:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5761518345A; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <644035DE-0056-4B20-89A4-D8A7606FAD88@mac.com> Subject: RE: the 60's Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:29:32 +0100 Message-ID: <2984402612C34FD78AF00709192DFF39@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcuhIJqCM4oR3ECzSUGYVdw8TgKyzwAAxjiA In-Reply-To: <644035DE-0056-4B20-89A4-D8A7606FAD88@mac.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:29:37 +0000 (UTC) from a 56 yr old geezer: were the 70's really that bad? not to me -Michael > From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com] > from a 58 yr old "geezer": > best thing about the 60's: Blue Cheer, Michael Bloomfield, John > Coltrane..... > > worst thing about the 60's: the 70's From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 15:33:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEF2C18345A; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" X-Originating-IP: 66.162.196.117 User-Agent: Web-Based Email 5.3.02 Message-Id: <20101221083353.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.98943e34ac.wbe@email00.secureserver.net> From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:33:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:33:56 +0000 (UTC)
I love the  "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought..." = suggestion lists...a lot of times listing duplicate and/or redundant items.=
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price
From: Elmer Fuddski <jakebra= kesrule@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, December 20, 2010 7:19 pm
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com

Well, that's great. But AMS & Amazon.com appear to be positioning the Boomer= ang as power supply needed. Check out this link:

h= ttp://www.amazon.com/Boomerang-III-Phrase-Sampler-E-156/dp/B0035WTPL0/ref= =3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dmusical-instruments&qid=3D1292890362&sr= =3D1-1

The Boomerang description on the above two sites (www.americanmusical.com & amazon.com) doesn't clarify this and it 'appea= rs' as if the power supply is a needed add-on.

'Sorry for any confus= ion if I'm mis-reading their websites. I was about to buy one last week.
Jake

--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Mike <mnelson@boomerangmusic.com> wrote:<= br>

From: Mike <mnelson@boomerangmusic.com>
Subject: Re: Boomer= ang Power Supply Not Included in Price
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: = Monday, December 20, 2010, 2:34 PM

 &n= bsp;  Hold on, partner. You're getting your wagon in front of the hors= e... or something like that. Each and every pedal sold by Boomerang comes w= ith a power supply, has always come with a power supply and will always com= e with a power supply if it is not a battery powered pedal.
  =   Just to ensure that this comment does not go viral... ALL BOOMERANG = PEDALS ARE SHIPPED WITH A POWER SUPPLY.

    Merry Chr= istmas.

On 20-Dec-10 4:19 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
> Is this a= new trend? I can see a pedal that is optionally BATTERY-POWERED not includ= ing a power supply but a
> device that is NOT battery-powered??? What= good is the unit w/o a power supply?
> I can that making an items pr= ice more attractive and possibly competitive is an advantage of not includi= ng the
> power supply but is a power supplys wholesale cost $18.00 in= the first place?
> No offense to the designer/manufacturer Mike, but= it's a little gouge-y.

--
Mike Nelson
Secretary/Treasurer, B= oomerang Management, Inc.
General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products,= Ltd.

----------

"Some products make you sound better;
Bo= omerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better."

----------
1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax

= http://www.boom= erangmusic.com

Contact for repairs:
Lee Hardesty
1516 Vict= oria Drive
Denton, TX  76209
hardesty@mindspring.com
940-382-3253

Billing Address:
= Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd.
PO Box 3788
Grapevine, TX  7609= 9-3788


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 15:38:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67D35183456; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292945928; bh=jwPVwZOfKN76yE5tfgqwy9KqPJ5vLjuxFhlYMlhxT1Y=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Cx5cuUVwaTR+I1wMwnqmIJsEqDJst39TcSkG1vBO7JLv3qW1X3JLidv0OzLol3N6ufUADURP5vvCe7UdEipxeb4Gz6UF89TyxTms6sP1JtR08TF8wsLbZ0qvZenlxgyGVOO65+4oZXDHNPc7R1nAz1wXaCtWLjmlAwbVBps3oyo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GDuxwSerdQlVoJlKnAogzLWn12RzylvPJovXK6vjDXmSVfZz5du8V3RhjPei21+8Iwkk4li238bOm2OIe2fHb3XxMQQ/KgVs/HL5V2Y5vf3nSoCXDvNwaCs9U6cmTzpiQLvTdsENLAB2PFVdBGzD2J6FVFDUFfW8ru2x+LkGA/0=; Message-ID: <25463.30034.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5cID_1QVM1l2FIL7lr9qCqXp.lzxOIYLrLMl4HbEQbODone 4menqi3Cx56dqBHHGgVY6kWV6938qPARA9iTSjgNMtDmhtnVaaa2vX33xMW8 xM2qDktC5UuuxAI1kro.FztCWkKGFK5euP2Wf1xqSwHmfP7Nht3brx2MNTOj Wnn.2Dsq60aT2JfNZcCbjZ.B2hDlbQGQ_2cdykMDVKiOvNUKCu3Xa_9vqtte OTkr.UiAIyQI5aZ1h1kiEf4ThFNvu569ogiqbFowr9Fzh7qtMbk0yFia05_G pgSL4GQFwtJVX8Z0zEqKA_LuGDc3RPkMrT5asLv0eR07E_ZK2TozroRgQj0M FcfRB_EN1eBA_4ZIdDw6COsc.oZ1HgV7L2Rgarr66NWX3XBVIxUztjzHDk.m m_ERAyEj6jjw- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.289296 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 07:38:47 -0800 (PST) From: Norman Thibodeau Subject: Triggering Ableton clips via a MIDI track To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:38:49 +0000 (UTC) I want to launch Ableton audio clips via MIDI clips, and I'm trying to follow the steps given in some posts from 2007 between Zoe Keating and J E: > - i make a midi track that has the output set to IAC midi driver on channel 16. > - then, make a controller talk on channel 16 > - using live's midi mapping, just select whatever function i want to control > - lastly, put the midi sequences in a clip and put that clip in the midi track i created. > - trigger the clip The part where I'm at a loss is "make a controller talk on channel 16." The LED's tell me that my MIDI track's notes are firing, but not reaching any audio tracks. Everything I can find about controllers and Ableton refers to physical, hardware controllers, not a way that a MIDI track could give orders to an audio clip. Like that old movie line, "We have ways to make you make you talk." I need a way. Norman T From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 15:44:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D29D818345A; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vtv+VXEusOy61DXmHjRgVvtJk1zAAZ2nD0gX7Ruva1U=; b=E5t5lcxWcQGTpgMFacKOxouaHsEocA96uiE/NltkMescJ1WL8zMic7HPfRRO4WbPiX K75WGm3h9Rk+5vNW/JmGmi52Ze9bVcG7gA29FLIg1mkFCHqNv9BnoAmuvbu4FMH7PWtc fiG2LOPmWn4YeSmzNMG3SzuC5guy7roU8zgm0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uDrEpmm9FgeZtXQ3gBLqITKpGw23uXoXfjPKXSwWM3tqRYFezpSDYqKEkqo+oq5tsL 1LJL82iCmxhreb3L4GiMQuqW6W2sjfkG6To7uuj09+QeQ4TAkDNIDl8o82zeFY+lqnLv +4Hd+2yik2h9A8fulhQpc/7ahXnDDtj1lST14= Message-ID: <4D10CB47.6040903@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:44:07 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE References: <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> <744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> <4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com> <87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Several long hitchhiking trips in the 90's had a huge effect on my view towards having a home base. I realized that I could be pretty rootless on a day to day basis, and didn't need a big home and/or a bunch of stuff to be happy. But I also saw that I could go a bit nuts if I didn't have a break now and then. Since May of '09, I've used my dad's address as my mailing address, but haven't actually been paying rent anywhere. The initial plan was to tour nonstop, but I soon realized that keeping track of logistics as a solo act/manager/booker was almost impossible without taking time off the road now and then, so I backed it off, instead doing individual tours of a few weeks to a month, staying at my dad's or other relatives in between. I also realized that I don't compose very much on the road, so wanted to take time to keep up writing as well. Now that I'm seeing somebody in NYC, and am realizing how nourishing it is to keep up with cultural activities including other people's live music, I found that it's important to have a balance between seeing shows, time with my girlfriend, composing, and the ever-tempting road. Rent doesn't seem like such an anchor anymore, and I'm planning to establish more of a home here, while keeping up with touring at a livable pace. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > > I planned to register my mail by a post box, rent out my flat to > someone with a regular income and start sleeping wherever I could find > a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my living > costs. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by > authorities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to have > a proper address where you actually live. I guess that's an old > (obsolete?) law once used to catch bums? > > A resident address is needed: it's a part of your Identity Card data > even in your country I guess, but your are not costrained to live in > the same place you've declared. > I guess you could "legally declare" that you reside in your parent's > (or friend's) house and you are still free to live or sleep where ever > you want. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 15:44:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 607C618347A; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=95XBTUEF+xtL1vEuZ9ZqT9KzDGVE2es8TXY9MAPi2WY=; b=roP5VyNt61qmTF5iVj1Y61/2bG4XrMWhtPDu3cgKIRjQm64S9Q73eKO+dBLfpdCux9 SpoAsvIH4fo5Jb0mtyRQqNvP+u2GTjtkkEHGoDIYA/cX3eEMkKNO54zOROKQUPuKPJ31 3adTsIIGCSKHy+KylWEUCNLF0R1z/yTcCJ6As= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=I1PjmYjw5MhSb7unJrevaJICN1x2RtnFQnCrK4ryx+rM7nCAdUwh2n4aRsNsxzMRkP L6os34snlEFA8vplG1Uwk1eAodKSiSRLqFDXEv/dp31F4QSfm02gt5iWIfAK+6t5h94j f7swJ7PXWA7XQpBaAWHZgp0IaWPnU/XmDZ4Bg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <25463.30034.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <25463.30034.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:44:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Triggering Ableton clips via a MIDI track From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:44:58 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Norman Thibodeau wrote: > > The part where I'm at a loss is "make a controller talk on channel 16." The LED's tell me that my MIDI track's notes are firing, but not reaching any audio tracks. "Channel" here means "MIDI Channel". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 15:46:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03785183486; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=n-kJSqksAAAA:8 a=sCBpmd9EaeAY_AUI3CwA:9 a=ll-RyePvuCZu1lccWjGzdDTdJd4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=98jSFH7WqmUA:10 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2984402612C34FD78AF00709192DFF39@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: the 60's Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 07:46:27 -0800 References: <644035DE-0056-4B20-89A4-D8A7606FAD88@mac.com> <2984402612C34FD78AF00709192DFF39@mpeserver> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:46:38 +0000 (UTC) The '50s weren't all that bad either. It was mostly grown ups that worried about the "red scare" and the whole "sputnik" thing spawned a new focus on science. It was a great time to be a kid. Silly cartoons on a black & white TV... Cookies and milk... Riding my bike 'round the neighborhood in the afternoon... Climbing trees and playing with my dog... Innocent times...comparatively. The '60 brought puberty and music and a whole lot of confusion. But...ahhh...such music. Ted On Dec 21, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > from a 56 yr old geezer: were the 70's really that bad? not to me > > -Michael > >> From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com] >> from a 58 yr old "geezer": >> best thing about the 60's: Blue Cheer, Michael Bloomfield, John >> Coltrane..... >> >> worst thing about the 60's: the 70's > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 15:49:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 465BC183490; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gI0In1dctmN37DrGLf2/keFy9EyX/V1S7c9umpHi7cI=; b=D5igEoMBOkZC20ZgmXDIbP/SSkjPt45dMRCOG2aMXUZuYiiQDJqiN+K6Ro4XKZZurx QPFOvoSZr8bXWoIqncnrBnYU2fKhCtVPhy0wiR0CC86foia97HAQjGjoD5aagvviiSst lIDf8mg2HzTWuuLv4UAVWOZ9CN7AqnlW6w0NA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Keimj1kFJX9n4C9jSpE2htIaxVZFrQ5VCkasN+brh5YkZVU2K3QV1Wbbw77Ozmo+ug hcA4796bxO5+/hnqCSVGqRihzNZzZBZABcbfdAO5aGh78C2mMby8/S/W563d7Mh68W1c 9c8y87XeFwtuuh1/gXgzsgJ//jzVCJiDWpn5M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:49:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364eeaca071f590497ed949d Resent-Message-ID: <9VhKb.A.RqD.6xMENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:49:14 +0000 (UTC) --0016364eeaca071f590497ed949d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/12/21 Per Boysen > > > Fine. I'm moving in by Friday afternoon then. Just give me a couple of > days to escape this snowscape! ;-) > > Per > Sweden - so far... > > next week tv news saying it'll be colder on the west, that's probably snow over 1000 m. or so, but on the east, where i'm located, there's no trace of that winter. nice weather to take a cold beer! you are very welcome! --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los bancos alemanes y franceses... 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Fine. I'm moving in by Friday afternoon then. Just give me a coup= le of
days to escape this snowscape! ;-)

Per
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--0016364eeaca071f590497ed949d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 15:54:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDD5E18349B; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292946881; bh=7a42NldnUUwlEo7gh713hC1xWvg1YYbEKA7zJ7f53kw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rSHX3Jfffh42I1O6SR1FY5lJRftLRavNx69rD6fihYElt6RazeObFdNB+NsyN2Jkd6+IiNEBEaFuZwlMZIqz4psPvSeAKglBjHgux+curZ6/Xu9CWuJdb7vg9rBVUAe7R6xgCfNZPP7gSpyPfUGrZkivR45Jerj1S8IIGlTkPwc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hDLU73rKLN+IPHduyCDoRFNf4pjQ0xb9wDAjcsIATBct3X0d69AgVuQztcbKpff/PSCbjdgqYt3jxdIID9BzdIKl9MM7ApfeisvIygNplV8xapFFPZe9SOMUKuI6fz4Vs7yMgz2m0P56OhTr0cdTxrfwFpviM8SfOzEPnBKhUWA=; Message-ID: <210362.72330.qm@web120713.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SCDmCxMVM1mLdGHqyvMcd4zLxBQWjwvmGs4e0c5za2LL8oa opW1JqXseM3DafgzSJmqOmpU0lbWGxjBDc2wYuxGUgGDLImfD3D6Ch5y0nS8 KCIpcY.GS5qsPq04LhieOOmaAmye.qVIRApo4SR8zt2ftt8wZ3wk7pZUsIJa _5tbZTQk9ToFPx3bf8xodlVp7us0aqzQGwTiZ3ljjhCjAr1KxdW8XB9usyOi xqjvuawm3BG05sH5wEaiVBXgt_q0V.4tJxWWoWZHCcHCsTaoES.0sSsG_mx0 smk_VMT2N3V9Rjcb1BXV3 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 07:54:41 -0800 (PST) From: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-268552037-1292946881=:72330" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:54:46 +0000 (UTC) --0-268552037-1292946881=:72330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The debate does nor have to be with them exclusively. It has to be clear that everyone has the right and even the moral obligation to givevtheir opinion. Read Rousseau on this. If ethics are not created and adhered to by all citizens than it is oppression And the oppressed should rise as soon as they see an opportunity. Ultra conservatives do not own ethics, they just pretend they do. That's why they threaten with violence anyone who diagrees with their take on what is moraly sound. There position is not solidly founded. Antony Sent from my iPhone On 2010-12-21, at 15:21, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: the problem is your dealing with a crowd of hypocrits who's ethics are ordained from above - there is no debate! On Dec 21, 2010, at 3:25 AM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: one thing you will notice is that the ultra conservatives have created a de facto monopoly on ethics; they are the keepers of morality. This is a real problem. Ethics are the most important topic of debate, the fibre of society. ANtony --0-268552037-1292946881=:72330 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
The debate does nor have to be with them exclusively. It has to be clear that everyone has the right and even the moral obligation to givevtheir opinion. Read Rousseau on this. If ethics are not created and adhered to by all citizens than it is oppression And the oppressed should rise as soon as they see an opportunity. Ultra conservatives do not own ethics, they just pretend they do. That's why they threaten with violence anyone who diagrees with their take on what is moraly sound. There position is not solidly founded.
Antony

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-12-21, at 15:21, Paul Mimlitsch <pmimlitsch@mac.com> wrote:

the problem is your dealing with a crowd of hypocrits who's ethics are ordained from above - there is no debate!

On Dec 21, 2010, at 3:25 AM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote:

one thing you will notice is that the ultra conservatives have created a de facto monopoly on ethics; they are the keepers of morality. This is a real problem. Ethics are the most important topic of debate, the fibre of society.
ANtony


--0-268552037-1292946881=:72330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 16:15:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE081183486; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dC/bCuCp1xkpUeFJbzHfBkGwgfotSyZFB4LhCqtC25k=; b=rDnn9eJjwiCrrkrZYweqS04iYA6oqVaXJ1o/STcLrpuDIII3PwwkDLKbpjWWOykscs bhg2pM42wVon8Eggudg7geZcr44O4d1rd42m2pphq37TLpecD0/sNudeSlAtovmDnmuE FGIYDe472TXTplRsT5tKPBqjyI/XWYiMkA7qo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ovxDGHVzdXH40QtzfzHMBkex1xDFPQP+r2D6VsuLTL1uMmO2zCcbJ0tI2Y9dYlXeEX a+Ooi5iS9p7x6G657ekkdVZFC23+qYvCKOZK+HJKxKpw4Fx+ec/1XnDR6b5B/UfKeqe+ kdlJRIMyRxo7Cgogl5Nu3ptyK5U7bh5bb4Vo4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D10CB47.6040903@gmail.com> References: <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> <744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> <4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com> <87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com> <4D10CB47.6040903@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:15:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174be0bcac01970497edf22a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:15:43 +0000 (UTC) --0015174be0bcac01970497edf22a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is one of the things I love about this list. The variety of people and personalities and how nicely everybody gets along. I own my house (paid off yay!) have lived there for 17 years, have no desire to wander the country, love having 100 channels of shit on the TV to choose from, have more crap than I probably should, and haven't really met a decade I didn't like for some reason. My parents (and friends) were the hippies of the 60's. singing protest songs, love beads, really went to Woodstock and all that. I do find it interesting how the popular media glorifies something (not necessarily in a bad way) that really only a small number of people actually attended and turns it into a mass experience. I watched a show about Woodstock and I think it was Graham Nash who said if everybody who told him they were at Woodstock were actually there, there would have been about 5 million people in the audience. :) I think the 60's for the US had quite a few major cultural defining moments. The pill, civil & womens rights, massively unpopular war, counter culture, drugs... lots of changes and resistance to the status quo. Anyway, you guys are great and I love reading this list every day. just some random thoughts... I think the cold-meds are kicking in. wheeeeee.. Tony On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Several long hitchhiking trips in the 90's had a huge effect on my view > towards having a home base. I realized that I could be pretty rootless on a > day to day basis, and didn't need a big home and/or a bunch of stuff to be > happy. But I also saw that I could go a bit nuts if I didn't have a break > now and then. > > Since May of '09, I've used my dad's address as my mailing address, but > haven't actually been paying rent anywhere. The initial plan was to tour > nonstop, but I soon realized that keeping track of logistics as a solo > act/manager/booker was almost impossible without taking time off the road > now and then, so I backed it off, instead doing individual tours of a few > weeks to a month, staying at my dad's or other relatives in between. I also > realized that I don't compose very much on the road, so wanted to take time > to keep up writing as well. > > Now that I'm seeing somebody in NYC, and am realizing how nourishing it is > to keep up with cultural activities including other people's live music, I > found that it's important to have a balance between seeing shows, time with > my girlfriend, composing, and the ever-tempting road. Rent doesn't seem like > such an anchor anymore, and I'm planning to establish more of a home here, > while keeping up with touring at a livable pace. > > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > >> I planned to register my mail by a post box, rent out my flat to >> someone with a regular income and start sleeping wherever I could find >> a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my living >> costs. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by >> authorities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to have >> a proper address where you actually live. I guess that's an old >> (obsolete?) law once used to catch bums? >> >> A resident address is needed: it's a part of your Identity Card data even >> in your country I guess, but your are not costrained to live in the same >> place you've declared. >> I guess you could "legally declare" that you reside in your parent's (or >> friend's) house and you are still free to live or sleep where ever you want. >> > > --0015174be0bcac01970497edf22a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is one of the things I love about this list.=A0 The variety of people = and personalities and how nicely everybody gets along.=A0 I own my house (p= aid off yay!) have lived there for 17 years, have no desire to wander the c= ountry, love having 100 channels of shit on the TV to choose from, have mor= e crap than I probably should, and haven't really met a decade I didn&#= 39;t like for some reason.=A0 My parents (and friends) were the hippies of = the 60's.=A0 singing protest songs, love beads, really went to Woodstoc= k and all that.=A0 I do find it interesting how the popular media glorifies= something (not necessarily in a bad way) that really only a small number o= f people actually attended and turns it into a mass experience.=A0 I watche= d a show about Woodstock and I think it was Graham Nash who said if everybo= dy who told him they were at Woodstock were actually there, there would hav= e been about 5 million people in the audience. :)=A0 I think the 60's f= or the US had quite a few major cultural defining moments.=A0 The pill, civ= il & womens rights, massively unpopular war, counter culture, drugs... = lots of changes and resistance to the status quo.=A0

Anyway, you guys are great and I love reading this list every day.
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just some random thoughts... I think the cold-meds are kicking in.=A0 w= heeeeee..

Tony

On Tue, Dec 21, 201= 0 at 10:44 AM, Daryl Shawn <darylshawn@gmail.com> wrote:
Several long hitchhiking trips in the 90= 9;s had a huge effect on my view towards having a home base. I realized tha= t I could be pretty rootless on a day to day basis, and didn't need a b= ig home and/or a bunch of stuff to be happy. But I also saw that I could go= a bit nuts if I didn't have a break now and then.

Since May of '09, I've used my dad's address as my mailing addr= ess, but haven't actually been paying rent anywhere. The initial plan w= as to tour nonstop, but I soon realized that keeping track of logistics as = a solo act/manager/booker was almost impossible without taking time off the= road now and then, so I backed it off, instead doing individual tours of a= few weeks to a month, staying at my dad's or other relatives in betwee= n. I also realized that I don't compose very much on the road, so wante= d to take time to keep up writing as well.

Now that I'm seeing somebody in NYC, and am realizing how nourishing it= is to keep up with cultural activities including other people's live m= usic, I found that it's important to have a balance between seeing show= s, time with my girlfriend, composing, and the ever-tempting road. Rent doe= sn't seem like such an anchor anymore, and I'm planning to establis= h more of a home here, while keeping up with touring at a livable pace.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com<= /a>



=A0 =A0I planned to register my mail by a post box, rent out my flat to =A0 =A0someone with a regular income and start sleeping wherever I could f= ind
=A0 =A0a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my livi= ng
=A0 =A0costs. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by=
=A0 =A0authorities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to ha= ve
=A0 =A0a proper address where you actually live. I guess that's an old=
=A0 =A0(obsolete?) law once used to catch bums?

A resident address is needed: it's a part of your Identity Card data ev= en in your country I guess, but your are not costrained to live in the same= place you've declared.
I guess you could "legally declare" that you reside in your paren= t's (or friend's) house and you are still free to live or sleep whe= re ever you want.




--0015174be0bcac01970497edf22a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 16:21:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6062F183478; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292948460; bh=kCUQuQhNhI0rt2s1XGXfL2tYibAPtBovrIIwjFLu/YI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dB5f+TQG4gf+kBKZ16lgroHtKAqa64Jd8hhXUqmo3npZ610RN0e7SplO8Wame4qdIOCKfNPZdSAjOR7kgXCcL8yzGUiSaVFDUxO8zfkMETV1LOYa/O7PVeYZW1gK9Ib01dzJ8NLR887lOXbW80pi7qL/G+VFcb+6rwET8tYz/k4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XOliWZpG7YxkvqzcNZzv2lGnobp35nSr/VQFrdcEvpykD7AXIHsFSYtW4doXzaKNqNluLBMGYyJnL61ThHNXA8xyQdS9GkH3ru/0JqfzUn/lOyF5t8PyYTEYRWdZj8LcX+ulU/Gwo7htVbSHwYkSIQ1+2AkJf4hDDx6tvG5fAbU=; Message-ID: <71143.50392.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: bu.ALZwVM1nZtXBKhjGE_QMCMeBIgIfuK439x0SrnOPCyWN 3q9pgIgNOpMg1VEgQNr4STCBl5ocVPHfGpOs6x_ZzztAKuSoutATvDa3F6on GBxrQdzJMTbpVKh9r.cSb7dwhileHmM5NF4FAjNnbHd81lb4mjgSzA_.uH_l li_rhbV.MzZOR4nQ1mPSyuwjfPrn00c7IJJ3DUiBEXwRTjglGR1XwDvnSwdN axCehIcThRARk.4.P.EViPeTp3c_yvidNB_bZvRn0k891_FjUFL.yG71YXs8 5yr.zjAoLhmUaaJOeVc1p X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> <744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> <4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com> <87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:20:59 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1804229286-1292948459=:50392" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:21:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-1804229286-1292948459=:50392 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey Per, you are the greatest couch surfer in the universe. You can come to Geneva for a while. I have whole flor you can use and a fab studio including a stick rig that is out of this world: all tube amps and a big room to let it ring in. Antony ________________________________ From: Andy Owens To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 3:15:41 PM Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE Hey Per just come on over to Deep Gap, North Carolina, I got eighty acres you can throw your sleeping bag wherever you want and theres a back door to the recording studio. I think looped flute would go nice with the whiporwills at night!!! Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 21, 2010, at 6:18 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Somone wrote: >> do a "Julian Assange" and be nomadic and have no "official" terrestrial >> address? > > > I planned to register my mail by a post box, rent out my flat to > someone with a regular income and start sleeping wherever I could find > a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my living > costs. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by > authorities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to have > a proper address where you actually live. I guess that's an old > (obsolete?) law once used to catch bums? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > --0-1804229286-1292948459=:50392 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
hey Per,

you are the greatest couch surfer in the universe. You can come to Geneva for a while. I have whole flor you can use and a fab studio including a stick rig that is out of this world: all tube amps and a big room to let it ring in.

Antony


From: Andy Owens <andy@1800dialword.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 3:15:41 PM
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE

Hey Per just come on over to Deep Gap, North Carolina, I got eighty acres you can throw your sleeping bag wherever you want and theres a back door to the recording studio. I think looped flute would go nice with the whiporwills at night!!!

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!


On Dec 21, 2010, at 6:18 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Somone wrote:
>> do a "Julian Assange" and be nomadic and have no "official" terrestrial
>> address?
>
>
> I planned to register my mail by a post box, rent out my flat to
> someone with a regular income and start sleeping wherever I could find
> a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my living
> costs. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by
> authorities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to have
> a proper address where you actually live. I guess that's an old
> (obsolete?) law once used to catch bums?
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>


--0-1804229286-1292948459=:50392-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 16:24:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 044B0183477; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... References: <603417.62765.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-6--1038734408"; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: <603417.62765.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <16FE10D6-C914-43C0-B2DA-C97DE7C35293@1800dialword.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:22:41 -0500 Thread-Topic: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Thread-Index: AcuhK3DVTgftgFkyRT+V8ruYYzsELw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2010 16:24:00.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[795A0740:01CBA12B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:24:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--1038734408 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And The Wailers.... (-;>) Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! 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Tue, 21 Dec 2010 17:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 552128880/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.205/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.205 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtUBAPdxEE1YbRzN/2dsb2JhbAAMlWTQQYVJBI4O X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,208,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="552128880" Message-ID: <4D10E399.9050300@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 17:27:53 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP loop capture References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 17:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Mark Hamburg: > "Would it be possible without a lot of fancy footwork to use either the > Looperlative or the RC-50 to do loop capture from an EDP (or a stereo > pair of EDPs)?" > Sure, if you're resampling you can operate the loopers by hand. By foot, there's usually a need to mute the source looper simultaneously with ending the recording on the capturing looper. One easy way is to end the resampling with a Mute. ...solves the problem of hearing both versions at once. Then you can safely mangle the source loop before bringing it back on the other looper. Using the Looperlative LP1 it would be possible to synchronise the loop length by midi. With RC-50 it wouldn't. andy butler ps c.f. How can I play great guitar solos without all that fancy fingerwork? ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 18:22:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54899183457; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dean, Hal" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:22:29 -0500 Subject: RE: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Thread-Topic: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Thread-Index: AcugjJvNvstXIjNeScKDdrDYyt9BmwAro4SQ Message-ID: <86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB4240CF73A06EF@WCU-EX-EMP1-MB.PASSHE.LCL> References: <69041D81-D85E-468F-9161-2ABB7BCE3339@ubergadget.com> In-Reply-To: <69041D81-D85E-468F-9161-2ABB7BCE3339@ubergadget.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB4240CF73A06EFWCUEXEMP1MBPA_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:22:33 +0000 (UTC) --_000_86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB4240CF73A06EFWCUEXEMP1MBPA_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lots of interesting traffic on this topic, but in case anyone on this list = is not aware - the carbon footprint of the Internet is enormous, and it see= ms to me that in part this is a consequence of the addiction. One of the ea= rliest items that clued me into thinking about this was a post right here o= n LD from one of the folks who works at a high level for a computer company= (maybe Kris H?); the post suggested everyone use plain text for messages, = which then engendered a flurry of conversation about the relative number of= packets being flung about the 'net in the case of plain text, rich text, a= nd HTML. Opinions vary widely but n one who has given it any thought suggests that t= here is no issue at all. An admonition to us all, maybe myself especially - never give power tools t= o someone who has shown they don't know how to use a hammer. Hal Dean From: Revfever [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 4:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Perf= ormance Sampler Teaser.... If being "addicted" to having access to potentially more knowledge and info= rmation, and direct communications worldwide than ever before in history, a= nd quickly so, then for me personally, here's to "addiction"! Hurray! Als= o, the 60's did not "create" the "indulging" of today. Humans have always n= aturally done this sort of thing and in "cycles". It happens ever few decad= es or so and is nothing "new". Look at the "Roaring Twenties" or even the = 1950's, or go as far back as the Roman Empire and even further back. Histor= y just repeats itself, for better or for worse, or a combo of both. Wash, rinse, repeat...wash, ri= nse, repeat...wash, rinse, repeat...ad infinitum. Sugar Frosted Flakes, Rev. Fever On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:39 PM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: the internet os more adictive thqn TV and the 60's actually created the ind= ulging of today, Frank Zappa had some nice sonds about it, and the diggers = wrote about it when it was happening: But we do not have to revere the 60 o= r regret them in order to see what we are doing now with our time on mother= earth. Nothing is sacred to us anymore... Antony ________________________________ From: mark francombe = > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 9:16:08 PM Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Perf= ormance Sampler Teaser.... I think we're side-stepping a issue that we don't like the taste of actuall= y. Blaming it all on TV? Isnt that all a bit old news... surely this "I want i= t all and I want it NOW" generation has spun out of control because of the.= . deep breath... I N T E R N E T... Thats the real evil I'm terribly sorry to say. Of course we dont want to ad= mit it, none of us would be friends if it want for the net, but the idea th= at one can get anything, any product is within a shipping date, with tracki= ng number... any information, (I wanted to know where the source of the ezp= ression "the real Mc Coy " came from today.. I found out.. in 3 seconds...)= OK its good to have all this information at our fingertips... isn't it? Ma= ybe not, maybe we dont have to retain knowledge anymore, maybe we don't hav= e to think? if only I could have my computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I can= ... What IS that song onthe radio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh Shazam it.= . finished with.. it was Blur... problem solved... song forgotten...again..= . And film, downloadable in minutes... lets not bother going out at all, wh= ats the point?, why bother watching TV, when we can MAKE TV! Why bother rea= ding informed opinion, when we can read the opinion of millions...? Im absolutely the worst.. right now, my wife is setting up the cards for a = game of Dominion, I have said "just a minute!" twice now... I'd like to believe that the 60's were the ideals that tED feels we have lo= st, but its not really true is it, ok so a handful of actuvists made a larg= e noise about love and peace... Of course I was only just bor, maybe it fel= t different to those who live through it, but for me the 60's just looks li= ke these shambolic idiotic idiots posing.. have any of you read Timothy Lea= ry? Utter clap trap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me shivering as I t= hink of the amount of drug crazed kids dropping out, girls getting raped co= s it wasnt cool to say no... Of course it spawned some of the greatest musi= c ever, Beatles, Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none could have happened at any o= ther time... Historically speaking of course, the 60's were a milestone, the babyboomers= getting up and saying, Fuck you to their parents, look how well YOU guys d= id with 2 world wars, Im sure we can do better, but the total freedom that = they advocated was just not there... an illusion. The period bookmarked by = 2 events that prove it, The shooting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything in be= tween was marketing, pure and simple. I think I might have been rambling now... so shoot me... Going to play cards with the wife... Night night Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --_000_86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB4240CF73A06EFWCUEXEMP1MBPA_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Lots of interesting traffic on this topic, but in case anyone on= this list is not aware – the carbon footprint of the Internet is eno= rmous, and it seems to me that in part this is a consequence of the addicti= on. One of the earliest items that clued me into thinking about this was a = post right here on LD from one of the folks who works at a high level for a= computer company (maybe Kris H?); the post suggested everyone use plain te= xt for messages, which then engendered a flurry of conversation about the r= elative number of packets being flung about the ‘net in the case of p= lain text, rich text, and HTML.

<= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F= 497D'> 

Opinions vary= widely but n one who has given it any thought suggests that there is no is= sue at all.

 

An admonition to us all, maybe my= self especially – never give power tools to someone who has shown the= y don’t know how to use a hammer.

 

Hal Dean

 

<= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F= 497D'> 

From: Re= vfever [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com]
Sent: Monday, December 2= 0, 2010 4:04 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sub= ject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Per= formance Sampler Teaser....

 

If being "addicted&qu= ot; to having access to potentially more knowledge and information, and dir= ect communications worldwide than ever before in history, and quickly so, t= hen for me personally, here's to "addiction"!  Hurray!  = ;Also, the 60's did not "create" the "indulging" of tod= ay. Humans have always naturally done this sort of thing and in "cycle= s". It happens ever few decades or so and is nothing "new". =  Look at the "Roaring Twenties" or even the 1950's, or go as= far back as the Roman Empire and even further back. History just repeats i= tself, 

for better or for wors= e, or a combo of both. Wash, rinse, repeat...wash, rinse, repeat...wash, ri= nse, repeat...ad infinitum.

&n= bsp;

Sugar Frosted Flakes,

Rev. Fever

 

On Dec 2= 0, 2010, at 12:39 PM, antonyheque= t@yahoo.com wrote:



the internet os more adictive= thqn TV and the 60's actually created the indulging of today, Frank Zappa = had some nice sonds about it, and the diggers wrote about it when it was ha= ppening: But we do not have to revere the 60 or regret them in order to see= what we are doing now with our time on mother earth. 

Nothing is sacred to us anymore...=

 <= /span>

Antony

 

From:=  = mark francombe <mark@markfranc= ombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com
Sent:=  Mon, December 20, 2010 9:16:08 PM
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTUR= E (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....

I think we're side-stepping a issue that we don't l= ike the taste of actually. =
Blaming it all on TV? Isnt that all a bit old news... surely this "= ;I want it all and I want it NOW" generation has spun out of control b= ecause of the..
deep breath... I N T E R N E T...
Thats the real evil= I'm terribly sorry to say. Of course we dont want to admit it, none of us = would be friends if it want for the net, but the idea that one can get anyt= hing, any product is within a shipping date, with tracking number... any in= formation, (I wanted to know where the source of the ezpression "the r= eal Mc Coy " came from today.. I found out.. in 3 seconds...) OK its g= ood to have all this information at our fingertips... isn't it? Maybe not, = maybe we dont have to retain knowledge anymore, maybe we don't have to thin= k? if only I could have my computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I can... What = IS that song onthe radio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh Shazam it.. finishe= d with.. it was Blur... problem solved... song forgotten...again... And fil= m, downloadable in minutes... lets not bother going out at all, whats the p= oint?, why bother watching TV, when we can MAKE TV! Why bother reading info= rmed opinion, when we can read the opinion of millions...?
Im absolutely= the worst.. right now, my wife is setting up the cards for a game of Domin= ion, I have said "just a minute!" twice now...

I'd like to= believe that the 60's were the ideals that tED feels we have lost, but its= not really true is it, ok so a handful of actuvists made a large noise abo= ut love and peace... Of course I was only just bor, maybe it felt different= to those who live through it, but for me the 60's just looks like these sh= ambolic idiotic idiots posing.. have any of you read Timothy Leary? Utter c= lap trap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me shivering as I think of the= amount of drug crazed kids dropping out, girls getting raped cos it wasnt = cool to say no... Of course it spawned some of the greatest music ever, Bea= tles, Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none could have happened at any other time..= . 
Historically speaking= of course, the 60's were a milestone, the babyboomers getting up and sayin= g, Fuck you to their parents, look how well YOU guys did with 2 world wars,= Im sure we can do better, but the total freedom that they advocated was ju= st not there... an illusion. The period bookmarked by 2 events that prove i= t, The shooting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything in between was marketing, = pure and simple.

I think I might have been rambling now... so shoot = me...

Going to play cards with the wife...

Night night
Mark

-- 
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user82= 5094
http://www.lo= oop.no



 

= --_000_86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB4240CF73A06EFWCUEXEMP1MBPA_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 18:31:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2B42183466; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=js+4KebQ/wP+Ksga238BMS020LWtkSBgbR6DB1S4f+w6oEH6QmsHbMSly6d0ir3f; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> <4D0A338D.2040903@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:31:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Films of Eno creating his latest record.... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-919166219==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798e12b4c27c15c43fd8514204bdf20c24350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:31:19 +0000 (UTC) --============_-919166219==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" What has happened to this list? After all the Fripp discussion, not one bit of interest in Eno's live looping, etc? >http://brian-eno.net/seven-sessions/ > >http://pitchfork.com/news/41011-watch-seven-brian-eno-improv-sessions/ > >"Watch Eno intently hunched over a table of electronic doohickeys >while gorgeous waves of sound roll out." > > > > > > >-- > >... >http://www.zmix.net > >http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > >http://albumcredits.com/zmix -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-919166219==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Films of Eno creating his latest record....
What has happened to this list?  After all the Fripp discussion, not one bit of interest in Eno's  live looping, etc?

http://brian-eno.net/seven-sessions/

http://pitchfork.com/news/41011-watch-seven-brian-eno-improv-sessions/

"Watch Eno intently hunched over a table of electronic doohickeys while gorgeous waves of sound roll out."






--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix


--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-919166219==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 18:32:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A102F183455; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012210086 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-21_07:2010-12-21,2010-12-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers Delight Subject: mobius questions Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:32:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Recently converted to the laptop processing/ looping/ recording world - 15" MacbookPro running Ableton Live. Just downloaded and am checking out Mobius as a stand alone looper. Must say it's a fantastic program that runs effortlessly. Learning the interface and have done some midi mapping - Logidy UM13/ ev5 pedals - no brainer setting up. My looping needs are quite simple though given the depth of the program I'm sure they'll become more sophisticated. A couple questions for Jeff/ Mobius loopers: How does one donate to help support the project - I know it's free but just the same.... and how does one participate in the forums - seems the sign up button is disabled? Thanks. - Paul (<< http://soundcloud/r369improv >>) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 19:24:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A088B183474; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:content-type:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :references:to:x-mailer; bh=dnAq/5sJqBYo3R+jzn7Z6Ml2YC4kivsfSWYYTjaGON4=; b=KboBVx7eErFT2hkekK3DD+Qg/+dYG+sxu9iiK6kD9ZW+RkUHgvwCU+ovV3urvIxLv5 fzj7mM9gDK+rZSMV0DF4Y8dOBCkwdW1t1MfOPtzUwdAhT3BH8x9cKRtBWKQrBjYAmd+D 0HIsl5guK3UjYKWGt+BIvyXLaKiB0U8p/PShs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=ik/31enFWOTXJR8RC45+q8B/2KZIYPZ8tDOyaaXP1Z6Eyahfr9MnKT1bViDtBwcwhr 5T6EAnQ2NMCpKdLvHOT0WP0wx9TDB6SpsxUucokQQpCxGJPmeFVPnpvuTcxUSkMMLPfR /RlLlTvNHwXqJJBvL0jcaiMDBDV4XTi5kMwGY= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Subject: Re: mobius questions From: Todd Matthews In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:24:14 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:24:19 +0000 (UTC) You just need to send an email to Jeff stating that you would like to = join the forums. See you over there, Todd Matthews http://www.joshuasteelemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 19:35:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DB6B183479; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292960100; bh=526+D0hs8iV8oODHNDcFB0teJDq9sY7ZIHTVe5rcSPM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A48M5O61UVN/D/69T4DX/RKDFIjTeJwq7zPSPg3vQV4SHUZ5Q+346EN1tFPE4t9D3ZV2BGwSfM5KGtBirRIiejkkimtgB4+tDEW+HX8ujZT1vHI2L9j29CP+2hEH8o2x9YM3WcQL5897cHSF7XZsedsvLSCn1cxOqToHTK1c5r4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eOKO4rRwCmeH4Owc/PJghz9j/J8YW+5jZbGxA5Bxqe64FO2dFrVnzwZ3oIgb0yCvimAPKCDVY/36q6xtcftjhxhVDVRXZnOpNk2QtYK4D8BLfMpbQN9RAp9x442fYpytkPDrlO1mztOn4lTrdJgJzKQ5AJCG4FU69u7UYO5po+I=; Message-ID: <572854.38585.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Ocdv2QMVM1mTRJ59lcAMQgxvQcdSNPnSYMrsdJSPEW78VrN 0bCSMwwhQlJSds7JxmH5U3KzYMt8RmHKt1Z2G2sGYIa36BjGCBs_VGpGvJRk SylX8WdG4uMSHA82Oh7dx2VmFAyKAmBY2nRszZlbt1747jvOSdfNRB6.515E OvYZ1cOFgo2F5LrgybaypzlBA2be6hj3K_KwoRVVI06HyKPNJEzA.I5526vE N_DZ.Lu0_gGkzNv9T2okVI01QMVIPzFoGU8O63dUv8PhMYyvBNArYsGXQsNF housrjQhQyF0gIClkqMQt X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <69041D81-D85E-468F-9161-2ABB7BCE3339@ubergadget.com> <86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB4240CF73A06EF@WCU-EX-EMP1-MB.PASSHE.LCL> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:35:00 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB4240CF73A06EF@WCU-EX-EMP1-MB.PASSHE.LCL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-604087730-1292960100=:38585" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:35:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-604087730-1292960100=:38585 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hal,=0A=0Athat's a real new one for me. How can the carbon foot print if th= e internet be =0Aenormous. Al,the poeple who would be running around in car= s planes and other =0Atrains are communicating thru a network: Ok mega comp= uters and cables but how =0Acan that be bigger than transportation...=0A=0A= Antony=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Dean, Hal" =0ATo: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0ASent: Tue, December 21, 2010 7:22:29 PM=0ASubject: R= E: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack =0APerformance= Sampler Teaser....=0A=0A=0ALots of interesting traffic on this topic, but = in case anyone on this list is =0Anot aware =E2=80=93 the carbon footprint = of the Internet is enormous, and it seems to me =0Athat in part this is a c= onsequence of the addiction. One of the earliest items =0Athat clued me int= o thinking about this was a post right here on LD from one of =0Athe folks = who works at a high level for a computer company (maybe Kris H?); the =0Apo= st suggested everyone use plain text for messages, which then engendered a = =0Aflurry of conversation about the relative number of packets being flung = about =0Athe =E2=80=98net in the case of plain text, rich text, and HTML.= =0A =0AOpinions vary widely but n one who has given it any thought suggests= that there =0Ais no issue at all.=0A =0AAn admonition to us all, maybe mys= elf especially =E2=80=93 never give power tools to =0Asomeone who has shown= they don=E2=80=99t know how to use a hammer.=0A =0AHal Dean=0A =0A =0AFrom= :Revfever [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com] =0ASent: Monday, December 20, 20= 10 4:04 PM=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASubject: Re: (OT) RE= JECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack =0APerformance Sampler T= easer....=0A =0AIf being "addicted" to having access to potentially more kn= owledge and =0Ainformation, and direct communications worldwide than ever b= efore in history, =0Aand quickly so, then for me personally, here's to "add= iction"! Hurray! Also, =0Athe 60's did not "create" the "indulging" of to= day. Humans have always naturally =0Adone this sort of thing and in "cycles= ". It happens ever few decades or so and =0Ais nothing "new". Look at the = "Roaring Twenties" or even the 1950's, or go as =0Afar back as the Roman Em= pire and even further back. History just repeats =0Aitself, =0Afor better o= r for worse, or a combo of both. Wash, rinse, repeat...wash, rinse, =0Arepe= at...wash, rinse, repeat...ad infinitum.=0A =0ASugar Frosted Flakes,=0ARev.= Fever=0A =0AOn Dec 20, 2010, at 12:39 PM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote:=0A= =0A=0Athe internet os more adictive thqn TV and the 60's actually created t= he =0Aindulging of today, Frank Zappa had some nice sonds about it, and the= diggers =0Awrote about it when it was happening: But we do not have to rev= ere the 60 or =0Aregret them in order to see what we are doing now with our= time on mother =0Aearth. =0ANothing is sacred to us anymore...=0A =0AAnton= y=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom: mark francombe =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Mon, = December 20, 2010 9:16:08 PM=0ASubject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTU= RE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack =0APerformance Sampler Teaser....=0A=0AI think w= e're side-stepping a issue that we don't like the taste of actually. =0ABla= ming it all on TV? Isnt that all a bit old news... surely this "I want it a= ll =0Aand I want it NOW" generation has spun out of control because of the.= .=0Adeep breath... I N T E R N E T...=0AThats the real evil I'm terribly so= rry to say. Of course we dont want to admit =0Ait, none of us would be frie= nds if it want for the net, but the idea that one =0Acan get anything, any = product is within a shipping date, with tracking number... =0Aany informati= on, (I wanted to know where the source of the ezpression "the real =0AMc Co= y " came from today.. I found out.. in 3 seconds...) OK its good to have = =0Aall this information at our fingertips... isn't it? Maybe not, maybe we = dont =0Ahave to retain knowledge anymore, maybe we don't have to think? if = only I could =0Ahave my computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I can... What IS = that song onthe =0Aradio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh Shazam it.. finishe= d with.. it was Blur... =0Aproblem solved... song forgotten...again... And = film, downloadable in minutes... =0Alets not bother going out at all, whats= the point?, why bother watching TV, when =0Awe can MAKE TV! Why bother rea= ding informed opinion, when we can read the =0Aopinion of millions...?=0AIm= absolutely the worst.. right now, my wife is setting up the cards for a ga= me =0Aof Dominion, I have said "just a minute!" twice now...=0A=0AI'd like = to believe that the 60's were the ideals that tED feels we have lost, =0Abu= t its not really true is it, ok so a handful of actuvists made a large nois= e =0Aabout love and peace... Of course I was only just bor, maybe it felt d= ifferent =0Ato those who live through it, but for me the 60's just looks li= ke these =0Ashambolic idiotic idiots posing.. have any of you read Timothy = Leary? Utter clap =0Atrap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me shivering = as I think of the amount =0Aof drug crazed kids dropping out, girls getting= raped cos it wasnt cool to say =0Ano... Of course it spawned some of the g= reatest music ever, Beatles, Hendrix, =0AVelvets, Floyd, none could have ha= ppened at any other time... =0AHistorically speaking of course, the 60's we= re a milestone, the babyboomers =0Agetting up and saying, Fuck you to their= parents, look how well YOU guys did =0Awith 2 world wars, Im sure we can d= o better, but the total freedom that they =0Aadvocated was just not there..= . an illusion. The period bookmarked by 2 events =0Athat prove it, The shoo= ting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything in between was =0Amarketing, pure and= simple.=0A=0AI think I might have been rambling now... so shoot me...=0A= =0AGoing to play cards with the wife...=0A=0ANight night=0A=0AMark=0A=0A-- = =0Amark francombe=0Awww.markfrancombe.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=0Atwitter @m= arkfrancombe=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.looop.no=0A=0A=0A = --0-604087730-1292960100=:38585 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hal,

that's a real new one for me. How c= an the carbon foot print if the internet be enormous. Al,the poeple who wou= ld be running around in cars planes and other trains are communicating thru= a network: Ok mega computers and cables but how can that be bigger than tr= ansportation...

Antony

From= : "Dean, Hal" <HDean@wcupa.edu>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 7:22:29 PM
Subject: RE: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA = CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....
=0A

Lo= ts of interesting traffic on this topic, but in case anyone on this list is= not aware =E2=80=93 the carbon footprint of the Internet is enormous, and = it seems to me that in part this is a consequence of the addiction. One of = the earliest items that clued me into thinking about this was a post right = here on LD from one of the folks who works at a high level for a computer c= ompany (maybe Kris H?); the post suggested everyone use plain text for mess= ages, which then engendered a flurry of conversation about the relative num= ber of packets being flung about the =E2=80=98net in the case of plain text= , rich text, and HTML.

 

Opinions vary widely but n one who has given it any thought suggests tha= t there is no issue at all.

 = ;

An admonition to us all, maybe m= yself especially =E2=80=93 never give power tools to someone who has shown = they don=E2=80=99t know how to use a hammer.

 

Hal Dean

&= nbsp;

 

From: Revfever [mailto:revfever@ubergad= get.com]
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 4:04 PM
To: L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MA= SS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....

 

If being "addicted" to having access to potentially more knowledge and inf= ormation, and direct communications worldwide than ever before in history, = and quickly so, then for me personally, here's to "addiction"!  Hurray!  Als= o, the 60's did not "create" the "indulging" of today. Humans have always n= aturally done this sort of thing and in "cycles". It happens ever few decad= es or so and is nothing "new".  Look at the "Roaring Twenties" or even= the 1950's, or go as far back as the Roman Empire and even further back. H= istory just repeats itself, 

for better= or for worse, or a combo of both. Wash, rinse, repeat...wash, rinse, repea= t...wash, rinse, repeat...ad infinitum.

&nb= sp;

Sugar Frosted Flakes,

Rev. Fever

 <= /p>

On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:39 PM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote:



the= internet os more adictive thqn TV and the 60's actually created the indulg= ing of today, Frank Zappa had some nice sonds about it, and the diggers wro= te about it when it was happening: But we do not have to revere the 60 or r= egret them in order to see what we are doing now with our time on mother ea= rth. 

Nothing is sac= red to us anymore...

&nb= sp;

Antony

 

From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Sent:&nbs= p;Mon, December 20, 2010 9:16:08 PM
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE = (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....

I think we're side-stepping a issue that we don't li= ke the taste of actually. 
Blaming it all on TV? Isnt that all a bit old news... surely this "I w= ant it all and I want it NOW" generation has spun out of control because of= the..
deep breath... I N T E R N E T...
Thats the real evil I'm terr= ibly sorry to say. Of course we dont want to admit it, none of us would be = friends if it want for the net, but the idea that one can get anything, any= product is within a shipping date, with tracking number... any information= , (I wanted to know where the source of the ezpression "the real Mc Coy " ca= me from today.. I found out.. in 3 seconds...) OK its good to have all this= information at our fingertips... isn't it? Maybe not, maybe we dont have t= o retain knowledge anymore, maybe we don't have to think? if only I could h= ave my computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I can... What IS that song onthe r= adio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh Shazam it.. finished with.. it was Blur= ... problem solved... song forgotten...again... And film, downloadable in m= inutes... lets not bother going out at all, whats the point?, why bother wa= tching TV, when we can MAKE TV! Why bother reading informed opinion, when w= e can read the opinion of millions...?
Im absolutely the worst.. right n= ow, my wife is setting up the cards for a game of Dominion, I have said "ju= st a minute!" twice now...

I'd like to believe that the 60's were th= e ideals that tED feels we have lost, but its not really true is it, ok so a handful of actuvists made a large noise about love and peace... Of= course I was only just bor, maybe it felt different to those who live thro= ugh it, but for me the 60's just looks like these shambolic idiotic idiots = posing.. have any of you read Timothy Leary? Utter clap trap... Sorry but t= he hippy ideals leave me shivering as I think of the amount of drug crazed = kids dropping out, girls getting raped cos it wasnt cool to say no... Of co= urse it spawned some of the greatest music ever, Beatles, Hendrix, Velvets,= Floyd, none could have happened at any other time... 
Historically speaking of course, the 60's = were a milestone, the babyboomers getting up and saying, Fuck you to their = parents, look how well YOU guys did with 2 world wars, Im sure we can do be= tter, but the total freedom that they advocated was just not there... an il= lusion. The period bookmarked by 2 events that prove it, The shooting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything in between was marketing, pure and simple= .

I think I might have been rambling now... so shoot me...

Go= ing to play cards with the wife...

Night night

Mark

-- 
mark = francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no



 

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=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A = --0-604087730-1292960100=:38585-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 19:39:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF0FA18347B; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> <744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> <4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com> <87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--1027210506 Message-Id: From: Revfever Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:34:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=6.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RDNS_NONE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on obf2.tritico.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:39:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--1027210506 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed (Bumper sticker I have seen before) "The rat race is over. The rats won". Happy holidaze! :-) Frankenberry, Rev. Fever On Dec 21, 2010, at 7:05 AM, mark francombe wrote: > I once managed to live outside of the residency rules for a few > months. I went on tour for 8 months and the day I left I handed in > the key to my apartment. My stuff was in storage and I changed my > mail to my parents. > > When I got back I tried to stay like that for a bit, and lived with > a girl-friend. It felt very nice. Officially I suppose I was > registered at my parents but I was living off cash for the most > part and managed to avoid signing anything. > > In the end I dived back in by buying an apartment, again.. in > cash... but there was no getting around signing a few things, and > the paper trail has followed me ever since. > > When I emigrated, I had a small.. er.. 1000 pounds bill with > mastercard.. tried to run away from it Im afraid... covering my > tracks as a ran... It took 6 years, but one day I got a phone call > from a collection agency in Scotland... Mr Francombe.. I said > yes... He said.. I have you down on my... heh heh Search and > Destroy list..." > > busted... > > Mark > > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Gareth Whittock > wrote: > Yep they want us all in out little boxes, strangled by bills and debt. > There's man-made laws and there's moral laws - they're not always > the same unfortunately. I resent some old etonian millionaire > telling me how to live my life - you only get one crack of the whip.. > but I digress.. > > Peace > > G > > > Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:18:39 +0100 > > Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE > > From: perboysen@gmail.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Somone wrote: > > > do a "Julian Assange" and be nomadic and have no "official" > terrestrial > > > address? > > > > > > I planned to register my mail by a post box, rent out my flat to > > someone with a regular income and start sleeping wherever I could > find > > a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my > living > > costs. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by > > authorities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to > have > > a proper address where you actually live. I guess that's an old > > (obsolete?) law once used to catch bums? > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se > > www.perboysen.com > > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-2--1027210506 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII (Bumper sticker I have seen before)

"The rat race is = over. The rats won".

Happy holidaze! = :-)

Frankenberry,
Rev. = Fever

On Dec 21, 2010, at 7:05 AM, mark = francombe wrote:

I once managed to live outside of the residency rules for = a few months. I went on tour for 8 months and the day I left I handed in = the key to my apartment. My stuff was in storage and I changed my mail = to my parents.

When I got back I tried to stay like that for a = bit, and lived with a girl-friend. It felt very nice. Officially I = suppose I was registered at my parents but I was living off cash for the = most part and managed to avoid signing anything.

In the end I = dived back in by buying an apartment, again.. in cash... but there was = no getting around signing a few things, and the paper trail has followed = me ever since.

When I emigrated, I had a small.. er.. 1000 pounds = bill with mastercard.. tried to run away from it Im afraid... covering = my tracks as a ran...  It took 6 years, but one day I got a phone = call from a collection agency in Scotland... Mr Francombe.. I said = yes... He said.. I have you down on my... heh heh Search and Destroy = list..."

busted...

Mark


On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Gareth Whittock = <buddhamachine@live.co.uk><= /span> wrote:
Yep they want us all in out little boxes, strangled by = bills and debt.
There's man-made laws and there's moral laws - = they're not always the same unfortunately. I resent some old etonian = millionaire telling me how to live my life - you only get one crack of = the whip..
but I digress..

Peace

G

> Date: = Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:18:39 +0100
> Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS = MEDIA CULTURE
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Somone = wrote:
> > do a "Julian Assange" and be nomadic and have no = "official" terrestrial
> > address?
>
> =
> I planned to register my mail by a post box, rent out my flat = to
> someone with a regular income and start sleeping wherever I = could find
> a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to = lower my living
> costs. But as I started to administrate the = setup I was informed by
> authorities that it would be illegal. In = Sweden a citizen has to have
> a proper address where you actually = live. I guess that's an old
> (obsolete?) law once used to catch = bums?
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per = Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com = internet music hub
>
=



--
mark = francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

= --Apple-Mail-2--1027210506-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 19:43:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16394183479; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:43:48 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mobius questions From: Jeff Larson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cfb90f787a20497f0da10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:43:51 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cfb90f787a20497f0da10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, just send email to jeff@zonemobius.com and tell me what you want your forum account name to be. I disabled auto-registration because I got tired of dealing with spam accounts. They would have a valid email address and type in the captcha, then a day later proudly announce to the forum members something having to do with, well, members. On the plus side I now know where to get cheap Cialis which came in handy this christmas. Jeff On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: > You just need to send an email to Jeff stating that you would like to join > the forums. See you over there, > > > Todd Matthews > http://www.joshuasteelemusic.com > > > > > --0015175cfb90f787a20497f0da10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, just send email to jeff@z= onemobius.com and tell me what you want your forum account name to be.<= /div>
I disabled auto-registration because I got tired of dealing with = spam accounts. =A0They would have a valid
email address and type in the captcha, then a day later proudly announ= ce to the forum members
something having to do with, well, member= s. =A0On the plus side I now know where to get
cheap Cialis which= came in handy this christmas.

Jeff


On Tue, De= c 21, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:
You just need to send an email to Jeff stating that you would like to join = the forums. See you over there,


Todd Matthews
http://www.j= oshuasteelemusic.com





--0015175cfb90f787a20497f0da10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 20:39:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C704F183479; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VmEK/eLw+lXTZgbiBAfHFN70fyRKQlXvsY3RGhLGTeU=; b=Ph/4ygPBtQS4e1mII7LyZnGyHWgYve/4ZWBKcjqP9EFcs3HU10CemRkV45NcVaArar TOFj5Z5NFNT5rZBNA7dIS7ljIp1Ur91JGtGN3YC2MBX/eaGdFcf2/yQ9Sxh0Y/i2yZxW lOLWB1VUlUefWjJ2zjvgP1kYZoquo0PvcKWcA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=PqUB4BZt2vE8s5oCUQiCGFesk9YJXWabe6A4SVmUKXZxQA5nT9n5epf2f/iJrhR9pr Ns1ud920Tv6GobuUP5TBvGBGrFOO+GqwTBJ8ryPNv3WGvSNm1D/XXpFuXlejWC4kDuoz ob2XD5lhBhV+OFx5nwjxAAlhuCUPU3UV8mEPQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:39:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mobius questions From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b06f3b6c250497f1a2ad Resent-Message-ID: <4GuMIB.A.UDE.ECRENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:39:32 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5b06f3b6c250497f1a2ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The thing is just amazing, no other software looper make me feel like im dealing with a piece of hardware! what started as an EDP clone has turned into the most customizable and advance live looper sw and its become really stable as well i think Jeff has done a fantastic job,not to talk about his support comitment, and i still cant believe he offers it for free! cheers Luis P.S.there is a pic of the last Y2K10 of Jeff,Matthias and Bob together this one is going to be legendary one i had a dream that they teamed up and created the looper frankenstein On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Recently converted to the laptop processing/ looping/ recording world - 15" > MacbookPro running Ableton Live. Just downloaded and am checking out Mobius > as a stand alone looper. Must say it's a fantastic program that runs > effortlessly. Learning the interface and have done some midi mapping - > Logidy UM13/ ev5 pedals - no brainer setting up. My looping needs are quite > simple though given the depth of the program I'm sure they'll become more > sophisticated. A couple questions for Jeff/ Mobius loopers: How does one > donate to help support the project - I know it's free but just the same.... > and how does one participate in the forums - seems the sign up button is > disabled? Thanks. - Paul (<< http://soundcloud/r369improv >>) > > --001636c5b06f3b6c250497f1a2ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Recently converted to the laptop= processing/ looping/ recording world - 15" MacbookPro running Ableton= Live. =A0Just downloaded and am checking out Mobius as a stand alone loope= r. =A0Must say it's a fantastic program that runs effortlessly. =A0Lear= ning the interface and have done some midi mapping - Logidy UM13/ ev5 pedal= s - no brainer setting up. =A0My looping needs are quite simple though give= n the depth of the program I'm sure they'll become more sophisticat= ed. A couple questions for Jeff/ Mobius loopers: =A0How does one donate to = help support the project - I know it's free but just the same.... and h= ow does one participate in the forums - seems the sign up button is disable= d? =A0Thanks. - Paul (<< http://soundcloud/r369improv >>)


--001636c5b06f3b6c250497f1a2ad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 20:39:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65BCF18347A; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: mirror snow drive Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:39:34 +0100 Message-ID: <3671647562FB44F0B0F5ED55A766BA85@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcuhTy0kZl38UX2MTC+j6accsPN47Q== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:39:42 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMpovplhGbg the organ soundtrack uses 2 EDPs synced in 6/8 (or was it 7/8?) -Michael Peters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 20:40:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB50218347E; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=L9anv7iD/s1C8p2lCkXTpAO5MRhfGoCMwRLPhjaSd5M=; b=vzczfRGIfiE+BoLbak4tbK5dIVCvPG0n4JuuHtPUaYumYSTmX6b5gn20WJ1hvvmI3q 8qwhhB8hCU6Gc9ca+6/ERJ+UNNlMsfZZjv3K1xoocPVoR2K9dpzR2mRq86O/2zag/hD4 QSXDLzEZK/i+mvUE3HLFACMIgHHejXImLL1pU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=o0JoMT82m1eM9NN9mCey+iaxPteNsKJ435k543iOP/rScXhyUgJpwFKlVIz2XJfWPc EwHzGcp7b5uGSV787aOjBQJ3HbG5+LlZqs7J8DBn3HagJ9MA0LGI9CLhsivRsZVK5UKZ HIVQhVJ6h8lYBhjSEsAJ/Pw5j5rrd6b1qXG3Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> <4D0A338D.2040903@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:39:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Films of Eno creating his latest record.... From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364eeacae4a5f30497f1a391 Resent-Message-ID: <--fqP.A.XKE.gCRENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:40:00 +0000 (UTC) --0016364eeacae4a5f30497f1a391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No. We're not following his work since he repudiated FZ music. 2010/12/21 Charles Zwicky > What has happened to this list? After all the Fripp discussion, not one > bit of interest in Eno's live looping, etc? > > http://brian-eno.net/seven-sessions/ > > > http://pitchfork.com/news/41011-watch-seven-brian-eno-improv-sessions/ > > > "Watch Eno intently hunched over a table of electronic doohickeys while > gorgeous waves of sound roll out." > > > > > > > > -- > > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > > > > -- > > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela!= !! =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, para no = enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados... Renunciad a la huelga, a la negociaci=F3n colectiva, a una sanidad y una educaci=F3n de calidad y gratu=EDta, renunciad a una pensi=F3n suficiente, = a una legislaci=F3n laboral que d=E9 seguridad al trabajador y a su familia y lo proteja frente abusos y el despido, renunciemos a una jubilaci=F3n antes de morir o estar tan deteriorado que cuando llegue solo nos quede esperar nuestra muerte y aliviar nuestro sufrimiento y dolor... Bajemos los impuestos a las grandes empresas, a los mercados financieros, a los bancos, a los grandes capitales que pueden hundir un pa=EDs con la simp= le acci=F3n de sacar su dinero y llev=E1rselo a M=F3naco, Andorra o Luxemburgo= , liberad de cargas fiscales a los dioses... Hagamos todos los esfuerzos en nuestra mano, en manos del pueblo, POR EL CRECIMIENTO DE LA ECONOM=CDA Y LA TRANQUILIDAD DE LOS MERCADOS. Palabra de dios, am=E9n. =A1=A1=A1El pueblo, unido, jam=E1s ser=E1 vencido!!! --0016364eeacae4a5f30497f1a391 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No. We're not following his work since he repudiated FZ music.
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Renunciad a la huelga, a la negociaci=F3n colectiva, a una sanidad y un= a educaci=F3n de calidad y gratu=EDta, renunciad a una pensi=F3n suficiente= , a una legislaci=F3n laboral que d=E9 seguridad al trabajador y a su famil= ia y lo proteja frente abusos y el despido, renunciemos a una jubilaci=F3n = antes de morir o estar tan deteriorado que cuando llegue solo nos quede esp= erar nuestra muerte y aliviar nuestro sufrimiento y dolor...

Bajemos los impuestos a las grandes empresas, a los mercados financiero= s, a los bancos, a los grandes capitales que pueden hundir un pa=EDs con la= simple acci=F3n de sacar su dinero y llev=E1rselo a M=F3naco, Andorra o Lu= xemburgo, liberad de cargas fiscales a los dioses...

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--0016364eeacae4a5f30497f1a391-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 20:46:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74045183475; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Revfever Subject: OT: Lunar Solstice Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:45:56 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=6.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on obf2.tritico.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Whoa! I did not realize that last night's lunar eclipse coincided with Winter Solstice (21st) and is something that has not happened in something like TWO THOUSAND YEARS! That gives me some wonderful CHILLS... Sugar Frosted Flakes, Rev. Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 20:47:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6553718347D; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <7912438512463718147@unknownmsgid> References: <677056.73033.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7912438512463718147@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B9B35EA-7CFB-4086-AC14-6A9C349F6F9C@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:47:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=6.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on obf2.tritico.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:47:54 +0000 (UTC) > On 21 Dec 2010, at 01:32, Paul Richards > wrote: > >> Anyway, what do you know? Probably never even went to Woodstock. >> Wait a minute! Neither did I. But I could have! :) (stolen from >> Chilly Scenes of a Winter). > > > Ah ha... another american who believes everything started in the US... Woodstock did beat Glastonbury Faire (or Festival) in the UK by a year, but so what? Glastonbury has been STILL happening yearly (off and on in earlier years) ever since then and over all, with very few problems considering the huge numbers of attendees that show up every year. Of course, as with any huge festival anywhere, there are bound to be at least some problems, but GF's over all track record is pretty Impressive. Hurray! Check out it's history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glastonbury_Festival#1970s > Whats woodstock but the beginning of the end.. I know and have read > volumes on this period in history, Actually, I would say that the notorious Altamont Free Festival in 1969 (with the Rolling Stones, etc) was "the beginning of the end". Someone got killed there by the Hell's Angels. To my knowledge, no one died under any circumstances at Woodstock and there was even someone BORN there! Pretty much the opposite of Altamont. > infact a bit if a bore about UK > psychedelia, as i have researched a game concept thats playing area > and time is London soho '68. > Remember if you will that Hendrix came to the UK to find an > audience... Indeed, and he also came REAL close to teaming up with Arthur Brown, in Arthur's band The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. He and Arthur were early and great friends. Now THAT would have been an INCREDIBLE band! BTW, Arthur is STILL active and performing, recording, etc even today. What a survivor! Corn Flakes, Rev. Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 20:50:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E150818348B; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mcV0BLdFipdkL0+yLpacpv/raYjV2oy8NoWlfZ/NTJg=; b=sj/h8m7NBwiaGcMH2EUXQLzooZw5q20rkIVggxAIWETFByYmivISjGpkTOlP40GSDg M2js7Ibbvb8v2V89S8IuxzaWpc9nepv2fRc116ZY5FiXUFO0PStqd/DSEGPeM8tQ3ltu 7oJrNb/nwNndmYrvRQeX+dDwYDCXx3UEmlowI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=iD+jIFg2wemWH6jo0qU5HKfNBWJIWQlBVRRAVM4MNJTeU5+92x5xLAcuuT2vicOCRt upPlbMFbI6Z73O1xvQw0dGNy2d42Y+Cz9c+I2Fe4ct6kY7gBbYKDe164lnMmsqLrlPSc O020eOAjOOzwizcBb04TcOmQnz7Ubk2CoQoqQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> <744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> <4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com> <87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:50:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747c1367f501f0497f1c80d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:50:15 +0000 (UTC) --00151747c1367f501f0497f1c80d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i have a friend that has been living like this for quite a while he always finds jobs enough to keep him going plus the money he gets from his rent hes never felt more free and happy in his life,he decided to see the world and take off whenever he wants to his decision came upon an accident he once had and almost died he says the only ones to blame are ourselves for not doing it,anybody can,but we want to be told what to do and how to live and in the western world we dont want to be compared to gypsies;-) cheers Luis > I planned to register my mail by a post box, rent out my flat to > someone with a regular income and start sleeping wherever I could find > a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my living > costs. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by > authorities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to have > a proper address where you actually live. I guess that's an old > (obsolete?) law once used to catch bums? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > --00151747c1367f501f0497f1c80d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i have=A0a friend that has been living like this for quite a while
he always finds jobs enough to keep him=A0going plus the money he gets= from his rent
hes never felt more free and happy in his life,he decided to see the w= orld and take off=A0whenever he wants to
his decision came upon an accident he once had and almost died
he s= ays the only ones to blame are ourselves for not doing it,anybody can,but w= e want to be told what to do and how to live
and in the western world we=A0dont want=A0to be compared to gypsies;-)=
cheers
Luis

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I planned to register my mail by= a post box, rent out my flat to
someone with a regular income and start= sleeping wherever I could find
a free spot for my sleeping bag. All this as a way to lower my living
co= sts. But as I started to administrate the setup I was informed by
author= ities that it would be illegal. In Sweden a citizen has to have
a proper= address where you actually live. I guess that's an old
(obsolete?) law once used to catch bums?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com= internet music hub


--00151747c1367f501f0497f1c80d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 20:50:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40CB4183496; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=boomerangmusic.com; h=From:Content-Type:To:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From:X-RcptTo; z=From:=20Mike=20|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3DISO-8859-1=3B=20format=3Dflowed|To:=20Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com|Subject:=20Re=3A=20Boomerang=20Power=20Supply=20Not=20Included=20in=20Price|Message-ID:=20<4D11130A.5050807@boomerangmusic.com>|X-Sender:=20mnelson@boomerangmusic.com|X-Envelope-From:=20mnelson*boomerangmusic.com|X-RcptTo:=20Loopers-Delight*loopers-delight.com; l=500; bh=pc9juwqRQ0vkYhN5UGkUWFG6LWAbw/gtfgxUaAhEulc=; b=J5wswAhPEgKMPJNf0eSlVjT0yAPArvGpJ5s5GMXeGHpEAGSqHwJ3oHPNd6tdQbWEaESCQd/8LSthiT9v39v63mPwnkaNOOVKYAwqi9QD2wIA/b1d9LUlW22MTIPlDbsxYFgGrftxH6YnxsPEWmpqHgyTFbPUQXKnwOejovqy31o= Message-ID: <4D11130A.5050807@boomerangmusic.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:50:18 -0600 From: Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price References: <20101221083353.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.98943e34ac.wbe@email00.secureserver.net> In-Reply-To: <20101221083353.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.98943e34ac.wbe@email00.secureserver.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2010 20:50:20.0622 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE6FF6E0:01CBA150] X-Sender: mnelson@boomerangmusic.com Old-X-Envelope-From: mnelson*boomerangmusic.com X-RcptTo: Loopers-Delight*loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I just sent the following email to our rep that handles Amazon: "Amazon is selling the III without a power supply. The product is indivisible and comprises a III, power supply & manual. Negative chatter is occurring on some forums regarding "our" gouging practices. Please have them stop this. They are either splitting the product up or attempting to sell 2 power supplies to each customer. Either way it's a deceptive trade practice." On 21-Dec-10 9:33 AM, fh@flatheadband.com wrote: > I love the "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought..." suggestion lists...a lot of times listing duplicate > and/or redundant items. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price > From: Elmer Fuddski > > Date: Mon, December 20, 2010 7:19 pm > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Well, that's great. But AMS & Amazon.com appear to be positioning the Boomerang as > power supply needed. Check out this link: > > http://www.amazon.com/Boomerang-III-Phrase-Sampler-E-156/dp/B0035WTPL0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=musical-instruments&qid=1292890362&sr=1-1 > > > The Boomerang description on the above two sites (www.americanmusical.com > & amazon.com ) doesn't clarify this and it 'appears' as if the power supply is a needed > add-on. > > 'Sorry for any confusion if I'm mis-reading their websites. I was about to buy one last week. > > Jake > > --- On *Mon, 12/20/10, Mike />/* wrote: > > > From: Mike > > Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 2:34 PM > > Hold on, partner. You're getting your wagon in front of the horse... or something like that. Each and > every pedal sold by Boomerang comes with a power supply, has always come with a power supply and will > always come with a power supply if it is not a battery powered pedal. > Just to ensure that this comment does not go viral... ALL BOOMERANG PEDALS ARE SHIPPED WITH A POWER > SUPPLY. > > Merry Christmas. > > On 20-Dec-10 4:19 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: > > Is this a new trend? I can see a pedal that is optionally BATTERY-POWERED not including a power > supply but a > > device that is NOT battery-powered??? What good is the unit w/o a power supply? > > I can that making an items price more attractive and possibly competitive is an advantage of not > including the > > power supply but is a power supplys wholesale cost $18.00 in the first place? > > No offense to the designer/manufacturer Mike, but it's a little gouge-y. > > -- > Mike Nelson > Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. > General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. > > ---------- > > "Some products make you sound better; > Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better." > > ---------- > > 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax > > http://www.boomerangmusic.com > > Contact for repairs: > Lee Hardesty > 1516 Victoria Drive > Denton, TX 76209 > hardesty@mindspring.com > 940-382-3253 > > Billing Address: > Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. > PO Box 3788 > Grapevine, TX 76099-3788 > > -- Mike Nelson Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. ---------- "Some products make you sound better; Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better." ---------- 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com Contact for repairs: Lee Hardesty 1516 Victoria Drive Denton, TX 76209 hardesty@mindspring.com 940-382-3253 Billing Address: Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. PO Box 3788 Grapevine, TX 76099-3788 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 20:50:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78BFA1834A7; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=uNZDBapdX1Tft+G8/7t4hnC25WVGI0j2UBQoQgUIwPU=; b=JnBF51YWWj5/bACUMbUxQ0lcmIcou2vnkJhvHa6WEfPXfWb7iUnfKKb3KbnmFP2kCC R8SSIgGJngXKUeUzHVhFk19ZsIXvVhx5VxlXAVRsY69VQFudgi3BRt7xETwajxfF8v7n eRikHj9WAa+mL00xaHXIbYdET0V5ZgWi5VeiA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KxJJJ3Ek9z1rG/eUSitzew623FmTGYVq5FI+nvwiJSusDo6z87jWrIque+Xe95BOKj V1d6maLP2ud66h3OmkM+EcnEV6GIgk4XOc4aM8muj3tUKlsatAJQ3h/aP1pDWyt46BHH UDjanUR4NjFoUvLt+2JuSbKdWL4/ZQTPBSfHs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2B9B35EA-7CFB-4086-AC14-6A9C349F6F9C@ubergadget.com> References: <677056.73033.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7912438512463718147@unknownmsgid> <2B9B35EA-7CFB-4086-AC14-6A9C349F6F9C@ubergadget.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:50:29 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3d047181ef0497f1c94b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:50:30 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c3d047181ef0497f1c94b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2 deaths at Woodstock. One overdose, and one person was run over by a tractor. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Revfever wrote: > > On 21 Dec 2010, at 01:32, Paul Richards >> wrote: >> >> Anyway, what do you know? Probably never even went to Woodstock. Wait a >>> minute! Neither did I. But I could have! :) (stolen from Chilly Scenes of a >>> Winter). >>> >> >> >> Ah ha... another american who believes everything started in the US... >> > > Woodstock did beat Glastonbury Faire (or Festival) in the UK by a year, but > so what? Glastonbury has been STILL happening yearly (off and on in earlier > years) ever since then and over all, with very few problems considering the > huge numbers of attendees that show up every year. Of course, as with any > huge festival anywhere, there are bound to be at least > some problems, but GF's over all track record is pretty Impressive. Hurray! > Check out it's history: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glastonbury_Festival#1970s > > > Whats woodstock but the beginning of the end.. I know and have read >> volumes on this period in history, >> > > Actually, I would say that the notorious Altamont Free Festival in 1969 > (with the Rolling Stones, etc) was "the beginning of the end". Someone got > killed there by the Hell's Angels. > To my knowledge, no one died under any circumstances at Woodstock and there > was even someone BORN there! Pretty much the opposite of Altamont. > > > infact a bit if a bore about UK >> psychedelia, as i have researched a game concept thats playing area >> and time is London soho '68. >> Remember if you will that Hendrix came to the UK to find an audience... >> > > Indeed, and he also came REAL close to teaming up with Arthur Brown, in > Arthur's band The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. He and Arthur were early and > great friends. > Now THAT would have been an INCREDIBLE band! BTW, Arthur is STILL active > and performing, recording, etc even today. What a survivor! > > Corn Flakes, > Rev. Fever > > -- -==-=-=- Tony --0015174c3d047181ef0497f1c94b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2 deaths at Woodstock.=A0 One overdose, and one person was run over by a tr= actor.

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:47 PM, R= evfever <re= vfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:

On 21 Dec 2010, at 01:32, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote= :

Anyway, what do you know? Probably never even went to Woodstock. Wait a min= ute! Neither did I. But I could have! :) (stolen from Chilly Scenes of a Wi= nter).


Ah ha... another american who believes everything started in the US...

Woodstock did beat Glastonbury Faire (or Festival) in the UK by a year, but= so what? Glastonbury has been STILL happening yearly (off and on in earlie= r years) ever since then and over all, with very few problems considering t= he huge numbers of attendees that show up every year. Of course, as with an= y huge festival anywhere, there are bound to be at least
some problems, but GF's over all track record is pretty Impressive. Hur= ray! Check out it's history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glastonbury_Festival#1970s

Whats woodstock but the beginning of the end.. I know and have read
volumes on this period in history,

Actually, I would say that the notorious Altamont Free Festival in 1969 (wi= th the Rolling Stones, etc) was "the beginning of the end". Someo= ne got killed there by the Hell's Angels.
To my knowledge, no one died under any circumstances at Woodstock and there= was even someone BORN there! Pretty much the opposite of Altamont.


infact a bit if a bore about UK
psychedelia, as i have researched a game concept thats playing area
and time is London soho '68.
Remember if you will that Hendrix came to the UK to find an audience...

Indeed, and he also came REAL close to teaming up with Arthur Brown, in Art= hur's band The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. He and Arthur were early an= d great friends.
Now THAT would have been an INCREDIBLE band! BTW, Arthur is STILL active an= d performing, recording, etc even today. What a survivor!

Corn Flakes,
Rev. Fever




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--0015174c3d047181ef0497f1c94b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 20:53:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 224C31834AB; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292964791; bh=SD4NL1l3TDE4AZFpMt6VW+xkCpZVM0HQ9Hh7+D1aQxY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3w3b3Yp4XZ6RViolZ4osajocE1TUePL/smaBTmcuR0Wvsb9TsBljGzhZbJInMjO7GxuCYdQQT0mRs9XBAO9hQ63mkD6heVt58nY7EGhzAClCjkuDxEInXoXspcZSwaNTOHLSxdd66BM8HM3Gw+LRf0ERr62KCEv/4mjcU1B8fYo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OTqZl0DR5fDS4vCkaXfulWvHzQqtahokj89pXu/7sfSj08seo+kftluq9Cw+4vCJ+oXAz1+kxfXW3VypfbgWJd/rFsoqxFr32q5gkttngGqJUghe4wfC52CtDJKicE0nEfUPLoa50h2eUrsHdvn3ec+ngTZ4wGitaZ7Z6NHBN0A=; Message-ID: <965282.31279.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: uyeo3qAVM1lUgUEDDHy798mKew7woH5TFLGqbGFDjQDg4dD 7gGqdtHFHYSNUbMm8RsLXg8WKHpkkwFz7KMLFy.Idpee3HQdewePm5tO_uX6 _I5zc6FyFDBv_5QdW7MWu07kQ.kYnwRsXY7jIo1SFz_vtBN6.AEaQroZMmFa Qym4zAMpIBz0TEBcB.0u8nVxKOaAWEzZBJnqbQiPHPbPujGQ.45TndynqX7e uzYHGnSB4BFHT7vmRsMTi3z51b1W6ZllZuhxYN1SX5UjZLw092Th9lNd4yAY zfkduh.0Vl7a4O.zUCw3EhhXNSpm_sJcTzj.RGTSZsN_5h0uXxHqHWJR2DJY IbKJfJ6DA5kK0A8dNBV4u9I_gjUoMwt8NuIC6C1kU9piZcCQyhBlsvTnY0zc PgbmAnWd0F9yMLA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:53:11 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Uccello Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Pretty special! It was amazing over here in Monterey. It was funny though, I didn't realize it was happening till I checked my email late at night and found Robert Rich's winter solstice newsletter email that mentioned it was happening, the second I walked out my door, the eclipse started! Happy Solstice to you all! Steve Uccello www.steveuccello.com http://www.facebook.com/pages/UCCELLO-PROJECT/98166318714?ref=sgm --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Revfever wrote: > From: Revfever > Subject: OT: Lunar Solstice > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 12:45 PM > Whoa! I did not realize that last > night's lunar eclipse coincided with Winter Solstice (21st) > and is something that has not happened in something like TWO > THOUSAND YEARS! > That gives me some wonderful CHILLS... > > Sugar Frosted Flakes, > Rev. Fever > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 20:53:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98A4A1834C0; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 316440.96494.bm@omp1023.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292964792; bh=TJ94qMYXSzAUvDNyGAQRcVHaPcKqCO2t5W5OE3A/6J8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nEA/4Uf1R0W6BIG3GWrUmEJH8T6AI430wlUNHRlEgfi6UfmteYsTBqcUQJW2xlQwBEzqsHhGoNp7EV1ysdZ8zIviS7WlqAlr8ke5xFqBLjUfWAmyN3jBE2BwAlgrMxafxHM6/Slg5PpF9adDAAUT64sqjD26VFKvpy9w25KNW08= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GppGb3eRZkqEHnYGlARDS3OZI1bOf6lB8p/VU21auLNxkGz7tZVwwIKlXhAmV4FyRpVUayQ4foiiZ+q3l0W0YuopWY/YssGfabj7rYHhLIoA537XH/bKS4SyGyAlhXEVAM21r4Qkce180MNOFOPm+8rpAMtCCFxVQhrB807Fjos=; Message-ID: <896424.29241.qm@web112119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 2ODYzQkVM1ljpqofTyGlTxUg90hfc7i3hW4LsU0fY9DogC5 eAsi9nz7bJYSotsyJCIbMwxAKLa.mCqzKEsFog8KnSL0nldAB8cPTFBqbSl4 zUKaf5nW8aUsHCsx1.OELlsQnwlXfiYcozY2JmUN2eYpYqzKG3mgUvESss42 y5Wg8AlHfYdPjIgOCTwNqPPLojiD2WitSHOAeKTgX0DTscPl0KcDKaAsjU0d 8bhqYdPjceS0t5u.jnFPZjnLN02XzCZQtcNLF2wIjyeuSmVpeSG6hhtVccDQ rwmDCn3TKDAEnblRoWT97N2L3PgixwXZ8BvzV0o55ljEq.LgJSODjMSPHs1L 4AWXJEfyqyGDlmq4E41YB9hqBBP7sx.SfpHArY25xd7TZ7iL4gzaHJON17Wy .0I5DICJCSDApnxHp X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:53:12 -0800 (PST) From: K D Patten Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2099823432-1292964792=:29241" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:53:15 +0000 (UTC) --0-2099823432-1292964792=:29241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it was sooo cool........i stood out in the snow and watched it.....then wen= t in to do some "inspired" looping at 3 am here Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA=A0 50131=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=20 =A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs =A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20 =A0http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Revfever wrote: From: Revfever Subject: OT: Lunar Solstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 2:45 PM Whoa! I did not realize that last night's lunar eclipse coincided with Wint= er Solstice (21st) and is something that has not happened in something like= TWO THOUSAND YEARS! That gives me some wonderful CHILLS... Sugar Frosted Flakes, Rev. Fever --0-2099823432-1292964792=:29241 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
it was sooo cool........i stood out in the snow = and watched it.....then went in to do some "inspired" looping at 3 am here<= /span>

Kyle Dean = Patten
P.O. = Box 22
Johns= ton, IA  50131         &n= bsp;  

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs
&= nbsp;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten
 http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten<= /a>       
=




--- On Tue, 12/21/10, Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:

From: Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.com>
Subject: OT: Luna= r Solstice
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Tuesday, Dec= ember 21, 2010, 2:45 PM

Whoa! I did not rea= lize that last night's lunar eclipse coincided with Winter Solstice (21st) = and is something that has not happened in something like TWO THOUSAND YEARS= !
That gives me some wonderful CHILLS...

Sugar Frosted Flakes,Rev. Fever

--0-2099823432-1292964792=:29241-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 20:55:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC8BE1834CA; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Pc07BaPlPSul9DXvDgz4sGN5ceVRnbe8JAcpLUFtA5o=; b=RgeVZqXl5lNeRl21F1wAQ1kZR47UUmX0tG3Wag+VL8JtVRl2Jpt5YlqskieZW62ehb NWcaTvCgyVGLluI7VJLKecA50OgW8tx89gwBhmho8URAI9HOxd9UUbsfSt3EWJik7qdS Ah4wTk2jUtYuKrXsIqbhwXLFDLlXdr9fk9X2Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=JrhK6b0aMlx9TEyEIKOnaPnHva2vLF/MsNJpsVJEe/njKe8m+a6T1VA0dudlVoozt2 xJAySXqy5hBRX5dT2CZuqBzjYSHoE7ABPaGMhKgsVl8/qXykl77XnmV6SjqhlqFuxTK2 +arBCbfGkw86AqFDPd0n6xhBGt+7FVSSB1p1I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <877074.20646.qm@web120710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <828348.59986.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <88FB0C7E-D935-401B-A5DE-036DD751F158@gmail.com> <877074.20646.qm@web120710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:55:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5bd860378f00497f1dcc5 Resent-Message-ID: <9GI4w.A.o0E.ORRENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:55:42 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5bd860378f00497f1dcc5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 they got us addicted to consumption,houses,cars,etc. and we are afraid of not having that drug... this is the only junkie type that is respected with red carpet in our society On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:12 PM, wrote: > so why do we sit passively and watch all this happen, it is our world > too... > > Antony > > ------------------------------ > *From:* RP Collier > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Tue, December 21, 2010 1:10:54 AM > *Subject:* Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack > Performance Sampler Teaser.... > > > On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > > > For a while, just a short while, a lot of things changed and it was a > really cool scene from many different perspectives. > > > And then the plutocrats, oligarchs, theocrats and authoritarian right > wingers flipped out -- they ramped up think tanks and consolidated media to > push legislative and judicial agendas, and effectively used conservative > talk radio to spread propaganda and disinformation -- techniques developed > in advertising and psy-ops to manipulate, control, repress and suppress. > > What you see now is the result of a very successful campaign to rewrite > history and skew its trajectory. > Reagan came into office and America's head went up its ass. > Forget about the environment, social justice and all the hippy pervert > commie stuff. > Greed is good, and be sure to embrace denial so that pesky facts don't > intrude on your dreams of power, domination and conservative orthodoxy > (morals and values). > Apparently, the oil baron Koch brothers spent almost $900 million dollars > just in 2009 to distort and muddy the messaging around the debate about > climate change issues. > Even basic things like the theory of evolution are smothered in caustic > claptrap and bullshit. > > I would put the underlying message and impulse of the Sixties simply as -- > Live Gently. > Stop the raping and pillaging of the planet. > Live as a symbiont, instead of a host destroying parasite. > Become more aware of the interconnectedness of living systems and work to > reduce the suffering caused by our ignorant, overwhelming, and short-sighted > predation against the planet. > > Nothing magical, just basic common sense -- you'd think, unless that > ability to think is impaired by sociopathic ideological toxic memes and > lousy education. > > > Pro-bonobo, peace groovy love etc. etc. > > cheers > > > BobC > > > --001636c5bd860378f00497f1dcc5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
they got us addicted to=A0consumption,houses,cars,etc. and we are afra= id of not having that drug...
this is the only junkie type that is respected with red carpet=A0in ou= r society

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:12 PM, <antonyhequet@yahoo.com= > wrote:
so why do we sit passively and watch all this happen, it is our world = too...

Antony
<= br>
<= font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">
From: RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.co= m>
To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tue= , December 21, 2010 1:10:54 AM
Subject: = Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance S= ampler Teaser....


On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Paul Richards wrote:
=
> For a while, just a short while, a lot of things changed and it wa= s a really cool scene from many different perspectives.


And then= the plutocrats, oligarchs, theocrats and authoritarian right wingers flipp= ed out -- they ramped up think tanks and consolidated media to push legisla= tive and judicial agendas, and effectively used conservative talk radio to = spread propaganda and disinformation -- techniques developed in advertising= and psy-ops to manipulate, control, repress and suppress.

What you see now is the result of a very successful campaign to rewrite= history and skew its trajectory.
Reagan came into office and America= 9;s head went up its ass.
Forget about the environment, social justice a= nd all the hippy pervert commie stuff.
Greed is good, and be sure to embrace denial so that pesky facts don't = intrude on your dreams of power, domination and conservative orthodoxy (mor= als and values).
Apparently, the oil baron Koch brothers spent almost $9= 00 million dollars just in 2009 to distort and muddy the messaging around t= he debate about climate change issues.
Even basic things like the theory of evolution are smothered in caustic cla= ptrap and bullshit.

I would put the underlying message and impulse o= f the Sixties simply as -- Live Gently.
Stop the raping and pillaging of= the planet.
Live as a symbiont, instead of a host destroying parasite.
Become more a= ware of the interconnectedness of living systems and work to reduce the suf= fering caused by our ignorant, overwhelming, and short-sighted predation ag= ainst the planet.

Nothing magical, just basic common sense -- you'd think, unless tha= t ability to think is impaired by sociopathic ideological toxic memes and l= ousy education.


Pro-bonobo, peace groovy love etc. etc.

cheers


BobC



--001636c5bd860378f00497f1dcc5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 20:59:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80A221834AC; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:59:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <2071499479.178358.1292965191652.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <2984402612C34FD78AF00709192DFF39@mpeserver> Subject: Re: the 60's MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_178357_1899854725.1292965191651" X-Originating-IP: [170.63.96.108] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2431.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.5_GA_2427.RHEL4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:59:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_178357_1899854725.1292965191651 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From a 59 year old, the early 70's were pretty darn awesome. Admittedly, they went downhill. . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:29:32 AM Subject: RE: the 60's from a 56 yr old geezer: were the 70's really that bad? not to me -Michael > From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com] > from a 58 yr old "geezer": > best thing about the 60's: Blue Cheer, Michael Bloomfield, John > Coltrane..... > > worst thing about the 60's: the 70's ------=_Part_178357_1899854725.1292965191651 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
From a 59 year old, the early 70's were pretty darn awesome.  Admittedly, they went downhill. . . .

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:29:32 AM
Subject: RE: the 60's

from a 56 yr old geezer: were the 70's really that bad? not to me

-Michael

> From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com]
> from a 58 yr old "geezer":
> best thing about the 60's:  Blue Cheer, Michael Bloomfield, John  
> Coltrane.....
>
> worst thing about the 60's:  the 70's

------=_Part_178357_1899854725.1292965191651-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 21:00:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4B1D1834D8; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=UdAlcB2CK2QsLYex60Z2ufoVaWpfraiidhWOyNfQcTM=; b=j3QLs6/ffn3I2lHaxhvnWzfJ0Qn62ysYhbvLMllcNEdNEBM+XfpPUTzzRrrqEHFaCK 8pfY9RAqXnH+03m1en5ZdbuFaxFZ5I74RAfNjFofdvxXkvnflviIDUNL6axlmRoOHwli 1chUr5egtyUVx/lhSGiZerKMCeAUha2W5QcI8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jW2czeHaTzXW3JN5/qIhggjhudVIjg/gm1R2aMv4Jz6Q95sf/2A6UGVfXcmndwzItj xoPPjfS7GXONzezNapW9JuNU0m0bqblHWb1FvvfMesL8TrzKnqIaSOjsiWcRXPSTARjt /hIrnkgcqx3kndpu5nowBVGYjJA1/qfxQyyBo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <644035DE-0056-4B20-89A4-D8A7606FAD88@mac.com> References: <644035DE-0056-4B20-89A4-D8A7606FAD88@mac.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:00:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: the 60's From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5bd863e53da0497f1ed21 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:00:31 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5bd863e53da0497f1ed21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ....Abba? On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > from a 58 yr old "geezer": > best thing about the 60's: Blue Cheer, Michael Bloomfield, John > Coltrane..... > > worst thing about the 60's: the 70's > > > --001636c5bd863e53da0497f1ed21 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ....Abba?

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Paul Mimlitsch = <pmimlitsch@mac.= com> wrote:
from a 58 yr old "geezer&qu= ot;:
best thing about the 60's: =A0Blue Cheer, Michael Bloomfield, J= ohn Coltrane.....

worst thing about the 60's: =A0the 70's



--001636c5bd863e53da0497f1ed21-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 21:05:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F15E1834D3; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TuFJLwCPb5Ks1tyqErCrVWTSbXQrnm/HbR9QZLxBlWU=; b=AHbRn0Q5Rg2ayIcuiy+1Jcw9pHkI2dQLBHbjEUZb8tudUq0Hz+8gXBsvMpP+bSnYn6 5Eb0f/HniIVgd3o8vm6F66lyhBxy5VNqkSpp7A5h7Yb9TODTW7Hi/tz0IhIvb2RCB6uq oFCx2qNKd4KFgCepijJbdsZssOp3xrc/MwMgs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=RxW+MEgAwLBSF57+aSm1Zi161nSToniWgT0jJZbjOu2JVOmUYLFyR0JJeK5tIF3JVP MM+EL8Ex+Bf6h+SKYPFOuPYovJBAW/YIbn5X16ssdOkop7q7pApiF+/BpYl095KtvyH7 DbHKt7CXZQMkIf8VOtQSuyFFTmCArxcD0eCks= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:05:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c923e74a3a010497f1fedd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:05:17 +0000 (UTC) --001636c923e74a3a010497f1fedd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Ah Per you just mentioned 2 of my favorite books! i still have them,and i > love them because they are quickly to read > incidently i work next to Herman Hesses residence now museum by the lake,.a > truly dreamy place.. > Luis > > > It just hit me, when reading the part of your post talking about > "saying no to yourself", that one old book that well describes these > thoughts is "Siddharta" by Herman Hesse. I like everything I've read > by that guy. Yes, old books they are - but in 2011 suddenly just right > on the spot! Damn, I'll buy a bunch of them for my sons as X-mas > gifts. Thank you, Ted, one more daily issue solved!! ;-)) > > Last X-mas I gave them another book - whatever it is called in English > (The Prince..?) - by that Italian guy that lived some four or... ah > yeah MACCIAVELLI, that was his name. He was the first class couch for > kings and just about anyone who had more powerz than brainz back in > the dayz. And Maciavelly really taught The Path of The Snake (rather > than the Path of The Eagle, known as the "good guy's" choice... och > OFF-Toppic-ing into esotherics here.... sorry, back on track we go). > But this book has to be discussed if handed over to... not just young > people, anyone! Because M's sinister methods still work and are > practiced daily by politicians and other decision makers. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli > > Per > > --001636c923e74a3a010497f1fedd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ah Per you just mentioned 2 of my favorite books! i still= have them,and i love them because they are quickly to read
incidently i= work next to Herman Hesses residence now museum=A0by the lake,.a truly dre= amy place..
Luis
=A0

=A0
It just hit me, when reading the part of you= r post talking about
"saying no to yourself", that one old boo= k that well describes these
thoughts is "Siddharta" by Herman = Hesse. I like everything I've read
by that guy. Yes, old books they are - but in 2011 suddenly just right
o= n the spot! Damn, I'll buy a bunch of them for my sons as X-mas
gift= s. Thank you, Ted, one more daily issue solved!! ;-))

Last X-mas I g= ave them another book - whatever it is called in English
(The Prince..?) - by that Italian guy that lived some four or... ah
yeah= MACCIAVELLI, that was his name. He was the first class couch for
kings = and just about anyone who had more powerz than brainz back in
the dayz. = And Maciavelly really taught The Path of The Snake (rather
than the Path of The Eagle, known as the "good guy's" choice.= .. och
OFF-Toppic-ing into esotherics here.... sorry, back on track we g= o).
But this book has to be discussed if handed over to... not just youn= g
people, anyone! Because M's sinister methods still work and are
prac= ticed daily by politicians and other decision makers.

http:= //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli

Per


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Shit I thought it eS tonight! Antony Sent from my iPhone On 2010-12-21, at 21:45, Revfever wrote: Whoa! I did not realize that last night's lunar eclipse coincided with Winter Solstice (21st) and is something that has not happened in something like TWO THOUSAND YEARS! That gives me some wonderful CHILLS... Sugar Frosted Flakes, Rev. Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 21:18:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D331F1834EC; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <850436.24131.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <850436.24131.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:17:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=6.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on obf2.tritico.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:18:07 +0000 (UTC) There's always gootoob to check for possibly any video footage... :-) Fruit Loops, Rev. Fever On Dec 21, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Antony Hequet wrote: > > Was it last night? Shit I thought it eS tonight! > Antony > > > Whoa! I did not realize that last night's lunar eclipse coincided > with Winter Solstice (21st) and is something that has not happened > in something like TWO THOUSAND YEARS! > That gives me some wonderful CHILLS... > > Sugar Frosted Flakes, > Rev. Fever > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 21:21:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5F9D1834F8; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Rqbyi/Dmhi9qlI5IU43cqjCKF81Kdbq456vjJff+LSa+Lq0tGGtkblDp5RyN9r/w; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> <4D0A338D.2040903@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:19:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Films of Eno creating his latest record.... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-919156025==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec791ed57696e837a16c2b035fffb1fdcb2d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:21:12 +0000 (UTC) --============_-919156025==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sure it wasn't "Dick Flash"? >No. We're not following his work since he repudiated FZ music. > >#avg_ls_inline_popup { position:absolute;=20 >z-index:9999; padding: 0px 0px; margin-left:=20 >0px; margin-top: 0px; width: 240px; overflow:=20 >hidden; word-wrap: break-word; color: black;=20 >font-size: 10px; text-align: left; line-height:=20 >13px;} > >2010/12/21 Charles Zwicky=20 ><cazwicky@earthlink.net> > >What has happened to this list? After all the=20 >Fripp discussion, not one bit of interest in=20 >Eno's live looping, etc? > >>http://brian-eno.net/seven-sessions/ >> > >http:= //pitchfork.com/news/41011-watch-seven-brian-eno-improv-sessions/ > > >"Watch Eno intently hunched over a table of=20 >electronic doohickeys while gorgeous waves of=20 >sound roll out." > > > > > > > >-- > > >... >http://www.zmix.net > >http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > >http://albumcredits.com/zmix > > > >-- > >... >http://www.zmix.net > >http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > >http://albumcredits.com/zmix > > > > >-- >.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > >La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los=20 >bancos al 1% y los bancos inyectan liquidez (se=20 >lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5%=20 >y a las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos=20 >hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los=20 >bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los=20 >bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela!!! =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda=20 >de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, para no=20 >enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a=20 >los mercados... > >Renunciad a la huelga, a la negociaci=F3n=20 >colectiva, a una sanidad y una educaci=F3n de=20 >calidad y gratu=EDta, renunciad a una pensi=F3n=20 >suficiente, a una legislaci=F3n laboral que d=E9=20 >seguridad al trabajador y a su familia y lo=20 >proteja frente abusos y el despido, renunciemos=20 >a una jubilaci=F3n antes de morir o estar tan=20 >deteriorado que cuando llegue solo nos quede=20 >esperar nuestra muerte y aliviar nuestro=20 >sufrimiento y dolor... > >Bajemos los impuestos a las grandes empresas, a=20 >los mercados financieros, a los bancos, a los=20 >grandes capitales que pueden hundir un pa=EDs con=20 >la simple acci=F3n de sacar su dinero y llev=E1rselo=20 >a M=F3naco, Andorra o Luxemburgo, liberad de=20 >cargas fiscales a los dioses... > >Hagamos todos los esfuerzos en nuestra mano, en=20 >manos del pueblo, POR EL CRECIMIENTO DE LA=20 >ECONOM=CDA Y LA TRANQUILIDAD DE LOS MERCADOS.=20 >Palabra de dios, am=E9n. > >=A1=A1=A1El pueblo, unido, jam=E1s ser=E1 vencido!!! -- =2E.. http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-919156025==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Films of Eno creating his latest record....
Sure it wasn't "Dick Flash"?

No. We're not following his work since he repudiated FZ music.
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2010/12/21 Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
What has happened to this list?  After all the Fripp discussion, not one bit of interest in Eno's  live looping, etc?

http://brian-eno.net/seven-sessions/

http://pitchfork.com/news/41011-watch-seven-brian-eno-improv-sessions/

"Watch Eno intently hunched over a table of electronic doohickeys while gorgeous waves of sound roll out."






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=2E..
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix


--

=2E..
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix



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http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com
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La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela!!! =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, para no enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados...

Renunciad a la huelga, a la negociaci=F3n colectiva, a una sanidad y una educaci=F3n de calidad y gratu=EDta, renunciad a una pensi=F3n suficiente, a una legislaci=F3n laboral que d=E9 seguridad al trabajador y a su familia y lo proteja frente abusos y el despido, renunciemos a una jubilaci=F3n antes de morir o estar tan deteriorado que cuando llegue solo nos quede esperar nuestra muerte y aliviar nuestro sufrimiento y dolor...

Bajemos los impuestos a las grandes empresas, a los mercados financieros, a los bancos, a los grandes capitales que pueden hundir un pa=EDs con la simple acci=F3n de sacar su dinero y llev=E1rselo a M=F3naco, Andorra o Luxemburgo, liberad de cargas fiscales a los dioses...

Hagamos todos los esfuerzos en nuestra mano, en manos del pueblo, POR EL CRECIMIENTO DE LA ECONOM=CDA Y LA TRANQUILIDAD DE LOS MERCADOS. Palabra de dios, am=E9n.

=A1=A1=A1El pueblo, unido, jam=E1s ser=E1 vencido!!!


--

=2E..
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-919156025==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 21:22:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EAD6183508; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <677056.73033.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7912438512463718147@unknownmsgid> <2B9B35EA-7CFB-4086-AC14-6A9C349F6F9C@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <956E5D9E-BC99-43EC-A84D-29F008FF7230@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:22:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=6.0 tests=RDNS_NONE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on host.newworlddelivery.com Resent-Message-ID: <9v-Hj.A.8sF.IqRENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Oops! My bad. But, that is also why I added the "to my knowledge" disclaimer. Thanx for the (sad) clarification. Knowledge is POWER...! :-) Post Toasties, Rev. Fever On Dec 21, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Tony K wrote: > 2 deaths at Woodstock. One overdose, and one person was run over > by a tractor. > Actually, I would say that the notorious Altamont Free Festival in > 1969 (with the Rolling Stones, etc) was "the beginning of the end". > Someone got killed there by the Hell's Angels. > To my knowledge, no one died under any circumstances at Woodstock > and there was even someone BORN there! Pretty much the opposite of > Altamont. > Corn Flakes, > Rev. Fever > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 21:32:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8F8E18350C; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rNfX/Ptv5wcRc6f2knvYUZc4wnbpalc4h7A2GCwH0v4=; b=j1oEA8WhiS5dwKyRJ3HUcb4p4NS7ZEuLvtOANTeiqKVAU0DVCWWPIyEFElP6+QC7aE VHNT4Gi3AtYH/UO1JogiKT3WlTXdBK+60LzOrWt0vElkD9JWl0Lh4oBttv4OA22AKakJ OeRuv785ti3lIfwBvc5IbKRuq1mUC6aypaVuE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=CypYexWq2wbZc74oBa/+M4cDmXuyRobkbokfPpgB9cu72qDQO2awOzNQy1BP4PzU5e EhqRmVDfSRg4TGC1H16gRzvWftR2s/wGt4PPfxR1nOlPxSCVpnRhxGIDVww7tq0SU2yB n2cA8luWPWRFl62R1xdMiQMKlqsd1Qlc+zbMc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <850436.24131.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:32:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:32:27 +0000 (UTC) http://vimeo.com/18046748 On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Revfever wrote: > There's always gootoob to check for possibly any video footage... :-) > > Fruit Loops, > Rev. Fever > > On Dec 21, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Antony Hequet wrote: > >> >> Was it last night? Shit I thought it eS tonight! >> Antony >> >> >> Whoa! I did not realize that last night's lunar eclipse coincided with >> Winter Solstice (21st) and is something that has not happened in something >> like TWO THOUSAND YEARS! >> That gives me some wonderful CHILLS... >> >> Sugar Frosted Flakes, >> Rev. Fever >> >> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 21:48:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DBF31834C8; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=r4mdlxferVPkYhK13sTnl45pJRAu72U7B+ZLirpQ1gcWIbZHwyOmbzPM/rUbs0YBFYy3Z0XXNb6x+djLOR+KQA+7LtAP6LckgQNMehM1Nm8bMUpSv38b72/VbOIZOk4t; Message-ID: <20101221154813.z56a9oy7koc0gkgs@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:48:13 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... References: <677056.73033.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7912438512463718147@unknownmsgid> <2B9B35EA-7CFB-4086-AC14-6A9C349F6F9C@ubergadget.com> <956E5D9E-BC99-43EC-A84D-29F008FF7230@ubergadget.com> In-Reply-To: <956E5D9E-BC99-43EC-A84D-29F008FF7230@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi Everyone, This is a fascinating thread. Since it is a slow day here today, I've been listening to "The Century of the Self" documentary. Much of the documentary is frightening though it is not surprising. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 21:54:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4885183496; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <210362.72330.qm@web120713.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <210362.72330.qm@web120713.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--1018851245 Message-Id: <0235C9B6-8DA8-4310-8BB3-F769FB9D8F42@ubergadget.com> From: Revfever Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (media and "media") Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:54:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=6.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RDNS_NONE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on host.newworlddelivery.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:54:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--1018851245 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > Ultra conservatives do not own ethics, they just pretend they do. > That's why they threaten with violence anyone who diagrees with > their take on what is moraly sound. The conservatives and wealthy special interests also control, and / or own most of the "media," as well, and most wealthy special interests and major corps(es) are not exactly known for being "liberal" or "progressive". That's a big obstacle to overcome / get around, especially when you have multiple millions of willingly and blissfully dumbed down, brain dead and clueless others buying into the "goods" that are being sold to them daily / hourly by the major "media" and of course on (haha) "fair and balanced" Faux Fraudcasting, and even covertly by much of television's "entertainment". And also, even a bit of certain crap coming out of Hollywood, although I would say that HW is the least of the offenders with this. Also, here in the USA, check out some of the major underwriters for National "Public" Radio / TV sometimes. Texaco, Ford, GE, and the list goes on... This is another reason why I still defend the Internet, because for the first time ever in human history, people in different cultures just about everywhere can communicate DIRECTLY and not have to rely on getting their information (or "information") about others in other countries, and about those countries, via only the owned and controlled media (or "media"), government or otherwise, in those other countries. Of course, there are and have been some exceptions, and usually found more in the UK and Europe (and?), but over here in the USA it is mostly "forget it". (although the LA Times is still decent and also recently published an editorial that slammed Faux! Excellent!) Cocoa Puffs, Rev. Fever PS-The FCC OK'ed Net Neutrality! I'll wager that the conservatives and the major corps(es) control freaks are PISSED and FUMING over this since they were VERY MUCH AGAINST it. (Now gee, imagine that, eh?) And of course, and predictably, the blowhards and wind bags in the sewer of right wing "talk" shows are all going ballistic about it and calling it a "government TAKEOVER!" of the Internet, etc etc blah blah blah. These clowns just never give up. But, that is what they are paid to do, so.... 'The Federal Communications Commission has passed controversial new rules that prevent Internet providers from playing favorites or blocking access to Web sites that offer rival services. Three of the panel's five members voted in favor of the plan.' > Antony > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2010-12-21, at 15:21, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > >> the problem is your dealing with a crowd of hypocrits who's ethics >> are ordained from above - there is no debate! >> >> On Dec 21, 2010, at 3:25 AM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: >> >>> one thing you will notice is that the ultra conservatives have >>> created a de facto monopoly on ethics; they are the keepers of >>> morality. This is a real problem. Ethics are the most important >>> topic of debate, the fibre of society. >>> ANtony >> > --Apple-Mail-1--1018851245 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Ultra conservatives do not own = ethics, they just pretend they do. That's why they threaten with = violence anyone who diagrees with their take on what is moraly = sound. 

The conservatives and = wealthy special interests also control, and / or own most of the = "media," as well, and most wealthy special interests and major = corps(es) are not exactly known for being "liberal" or "progressive". = That's a big obstacle to overcome / get around, especially when you = have multiple millions of willingly and blissfully dumbed down, = brain dead and clueless others buying into the "goods" that are being = sold to them daily / hourly by the major "media" and of course on (haha) = "fair and balanced" Faux Fraudcasting, and even covertly by much of = television's "entertainment". And also, even a bit of certain crap = coming out of Hollywood, although I would say that HW is the least of = the offenders with this.

Also, here in the USA, = check out some of the major underwriters for National "Public" Radio / = TV sometimes. Texaco, Ford, GE, and the list goes = on...

This is another reason why I still defend = the Internet, because for the first time ever in human history, people = in different cultures just about everywhere can communicate = DIRECTLY
and not have to rely on getting their information (or = "information") about others in other countries, and about those = countries, via only the owned and controlled media (or = "media"), 
government or otherwise, in those other = countries. Of course, there are and have been some exceptions, and = usually found more in the UK and Europe (and?), but over here in = the 
USA it is mostly "forget it". (although the LA = Times is still decent and also recently published an editorial that = slammed Faux!  Excellent!)

Cocoa = Puffs,
Rev. Fever

PS-The FCC OK'ed = Net Neutrality!  I'll wager that the conservatives and the major = corps(es) control freaks are PISSED and FUMING over this since they were = VERY MUCH AGAINST it. 
(Now gee, imagine that, eh?) =  And of course, and predictably, the blowhards and wind bags in the = sewer of right wing "talk" shows are all going ballistic about it and = calling it a
"government TAKEOVER!" of the Internet, etc etc = blah blah blah. These clowns just never give up. But, that is what they = are paid to do, so....

'The Federal = Communications Commission has passed controversial new rules that = prevent Internet providers from playing favorites or blocking access to = Web sites that offer rival services. Three of the panel's five members = voted in favor of the plan.'

Antony

Sent from my iPhone

On = 2010-12-21, at 15:21, Paul Mimlitsch <pmimlitsch@mac.com> = wrote:

the = problem is your dealing with a crowd of hypocrits who's ethics are = ordained from above - there is no debate!

On Dec 21, = 2010, at 3:25 AM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com = wrote:

one thing you = will notice is that the ultra conservatives have created a de facto = monopoly on ethics; they are the keepers of morality. This is a real = problem. Ethics are the most important topic of debate, the fibre of = society.
wrote: > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I just sent the = following > email to our rep that handles Amazon: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"Amazon is selling the III without a power supply. The pro= duct is > indivisible and comprises a III, power supply & manual. Negative chatter = is > occurring on some forums regarding "our" gouging practices. Please have t= hem > stop this. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0They are either splitting the product up or attempting to = sell 2 > power supplies to each customer. Either way it's a deceptive trade > practice." > > > On 21-Dec-10 9:33 AM, fh@flatheadband.com wrote: >> >> I love the "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought..." suggestion >> lists...a lot of times listing duplicate >> and/or redundant items. >> >> =A0 =A0-------- Original Message -------- >> =A0 =A0Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price >> =A0 =A0From: Elmer Fuddski > > >> =A0 =A0Date: Mon, December 20, 2010 7:19 pm >> =A0 =A0To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> =A0 =A0Well, that's great. But AMS & Amazon.com appe= ar to >> be positioning the Boomerang as >> =A0 =A0power supply needed. Check out this link: >> >> >> =A0http://www.amazon.com/Boomerang-III-Phrase-Sampler-E-156/dp/B0035WTPL= 0/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dmusical-instruments&qid=3D1292890362&sr=3D1-1 >> >> =A0 >> >> =A0 =A0The Boomerang description on the above two sites >> (www.americanmusical.com >> =A0 =A0& amazon.com ) doesn't clarify this and it 'ap= pears' >> as if the power supply is a needed >> =A0 =A0add-on. >> >> =A0 =A0'Sorry for any confusion if I'm mis-reading their websites. I was= about >> to buy one last week. >> >> =A0 =A0Jake >> >> =A0 =A0--- On *Mon, 12/20/10, Mike /> >/* wrote: >> >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0From: Mike > > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 2:34 PM >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Hold on, partner. You're getting your wagon in front of t= he >> horse... or something like that. Each and >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0every pedal sold by Boomerang comes with a power supply, = has always >> come with a power supply and will >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0always come with a power supply if it is not a battery po= wered >> pedal. >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Just to ensure that this comment does not go viral... ALL= BOOMERANG >> PEDALS ARE SHIPPED WITH A POWER >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0SUPPLY. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Merry Christmas. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0On 20-Dec-10 4:19 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0> =A0Is this a new trend? I can see a pedal that is optio= nally >> BATTERY-POWERED not including a power >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0supply but a >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0> =A0device that is NOT battery-powered??? What good is t= he unit w/o >> a power supply? >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0> =A0I can that making an items price more attractive and= possibly >> competitive is an advantage of not >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0including the >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0> =A0power supply but is a power supplys wholesale cost $= 18.00 in the >> first place? >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0> =A0No offense to the designer/manufacturer Mike, but it= 's a little >> gouge-y. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Mike Nelson >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0---------- >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"Some products make you sound better; >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better." >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0---------- >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-= 8509, Fax >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.boomerangmusic.com >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Contact for repairs: >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Lee Hardesty >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01516 Victoria Drive >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Denton, TX 76209 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0hardesty@mindspring.com >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0940-382-3253 >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Billing Address: >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0PO Box 3788 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Grapevine, TX 76099-3788 >> >> > > -- > > Mike Nelson > Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. > General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. > > ---------- > > "Some products make you sound better; > =A0Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better." > > ---------- > > 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax > > http://www.boomerangmusic.com > > Contact for repairs: > Lee Hardesty > 1516 Victoria Drive > Denton, TX =A076209 > hardesty@mindspring.com > 940-382-3253 > > Billing Address: > Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. > PO Box 3788 > Grapevine, TX =A076099-3788 > > --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 23:35:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDCCE1834A1; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1139A1.7080607@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:34:57 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: the 60's References: <2984402612C34FD78AF00709192DFF39@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <2984402612C34FD78AF00709192DFF39@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: > from a 56 yr old geezer: were the 70's really that bad? not to me From a 57 year old geezer (lol, I've never actually thought of myself as either old or a geezer but it's fun for this conversation) the 70's (especially the middle 70's) were particularly depressing because, as a musician, I witnessed all the freedom and creativity and openness of the Hippy movement supplanted by wide spread cultural depression and cynicism (I can only speak of Northern California where I lived). I saw this beautiful blossoming of culture and creativity usurped by the music industry who had figured out how much money could be made off of youth culture. I watched the fantastic free FM radio stations of the Bay Area with all of their amazingly eclectic radio shows put out of business and replaced by corporate run FM stations with play lists. I watched the Major Musical Labels muscle in on regional American music and try as hard as they could to establish monopolies. It was a very depressing time to me, but I was also a very angry young man struggling with my own internal demons so that had to have clouded the experience. I wouldn't see another blossoming of that kind of creativity until the early New Wave/Punk movements in the late 70's and early 80's........even so, there has always been a kind of cynicism that has accompanied a lot of the musical movements (well, perhaps not the New Age movement, but I just couldn't relate....lol) since those times in modern popular movements............well, either cynicism or the kind of mindless drug escapism that accompanied the Rave scene. The Psy Trance scene seems to have some kinship with those earlier days but I'm, personally, just not all that enamored, emotionally, with that type of music. Okay, I ramble...................but after all those psychedlics and psycho-tropic drugs (and others) I suppose it's a good thing that I can still muster complete sentences..........lol rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 23:44:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25EC01834C7; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=5ri2qlikRK2Q+J+5266R0jocNtIKBdGdH4ne3/SVVM0=; b=syIEQxZB6AbID3Cwj6A7glteXygFOlLl5Mc86GYX7W2ZOdmwkHZzVj5jnVV3+HebCZ ZyPAfX6dGVk+Qxr22vZ066Bq0AJ8YfR8Zx3d/w7uCYoKbp47zHXJnPCJ80DB/6o1oEEJ M+sqXu3F4Q9pAgAaPZ9gRqIwkLs7wLK3ni/ZE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=lyYSSRiSGZrw1eLhFZPShIFb3LrmpGco8ZBvXuOrpwxY5zlcpiA2b9pRi2z1RY0noQ 3fjtUjAkYww8wF5LkhrpjpnI0K5o/Vb0MvmyEvUrOSQi8VGPnqRaVdbIv3VNNCaWTpO7 xpcfa/ZVlt1ynn9MGJAEQfxdzNztygnOF+ksM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> <4D0A338D.2040903@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:43:50 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 060DGd1DLODOjR_rYL_JrB357UM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Films of Eno creating his latest record.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e81aa97687f0497f436de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:44:11 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e81aa97687f0497f436de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2010/12/21 Raul Bonell > No. We're not following his work since he repudiated FZ music. > > He did? OK well Im following him again! > Seriously I thought the films were a bit dull, and over editted.. when he > waved his hand over the air FX would have been nice if you could hear it do > something, instead of it be a random edit... > > Mark --90e6ba6e81aa97687f0497f436de Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2010/12/21 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>=
No. We're not following his work since he repudiated FZ music.

=A0
He did? OK well Im following him again!
Seriously I thought the films were a bit dull, and over editted.. when=20 he waved his hand over the air FX would have been nice if you could hear it do something, instead of it be a random edit...

Mark




--90e6ba6e81aa97687f0497f436de-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 23:53:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80BAB183486; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D113DE8.8020708@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:53:12 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Uccello CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice References: <965282.31279.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <965282.31279.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:53:19 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Steve Uccello wrote: > Pretty special! It was amazing over here in Monterey. It was funny though, I didn't realize it was happening till I checked my email late at night Dang it, not 30 miles north of you, we were completely socked in with fog and I missed the whole thing even though we were planning on watching for several days. I'm glad you got to watch it, Steve! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 23:55:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C47041834A0; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <95352719C497485E9C15F2C193CB6A53@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:55:24 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:55:08 +0000 (UTC) ?From: Revfever >Whoa! I did not realize that last night's lunar eclipse coincided with >Winter Solstice (21st) and is something that has not happened in something >like TWO THOUSAND YEARS! That gives me some wonderful CHILLS... 1638 to be precise. http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/21/winter-solstice-delivers-lunar-eclipse/?icid=maing%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk5%7C32575 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 00:01:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69E461834B4; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=66dRpLFqA0MsnC7eZK/FCCK8XorPm1HCY2HK9poZrHw=; b=g4+PVff/qZtui6aBnfT6bogndbhJDimQ+vUCptHQuYNsmKOZ5NAM8ksuoA2nQxyVWb NBsaWpwJ2rUJTG3soNI9Go3nrsU5h0vMWGZ/WISKkaPdxhqqTwoRvk1MUCBZQhv1gdrl Hgo0u+JyikpjKJ72P0Qhd0xeZJmlPRFXLFfQQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lu3CqE4fQJwIf380Bx2VUTRE/Q8GhG7NEoCOXUFO48pEOL9N0JlhWZdWZnRZcEox5l dG03LUe5SiGDgZujC/yRPA8cNm7KeMOxbx8QjzBZtIfJt2CjqM3Mljle/HTLEmtiHQuJ PmJudFC9N/4uAjLgfyz8AfJvMhBVf7AqnEtnk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> <4D0A338D.2040903@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:01:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Films of Eno creating his latest record.... From: Jeffrey Collins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d20b32e76e80497f473fa Resent-Message-ID: <-IDtCC.A._HC.E_TENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:01:08 +0000 (UTC) --0016364d20b32e76e80497f473fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 He did. Oh man. Gotta pick Frank over Brian anyday. 2010/12/21 Raul Bonell > No. We're not following his work since he repudiated FZ music. > > > --0016364d20b32e76e80497f473fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He did. Oh man. Gotta pick Frank over Brian anyday.

2010/12/21 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
No. We're not following his work since he repudiated FZ music.


--0016364d20b32e76e80497f473fa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 00:04:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBC881834C5; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:04:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aW14aHyE+dw7wwS24wEP0DVVR3mONa4KIwrupI/Sm6w=; b=r+MA1C839czFGEVxPs6Z97qiOYwsH/qr+Ng739gD2iAtjPr78CWOmbV8g/ys7sAsSd l3XICNvKkuIr442D2J3LVLyFaWqFEMtV3CHyQq50qsnSJuO/S9uH85u3+ozUoCHL4JHY HiC/Zqv6UmJ2EfBqXyMDYnvTmLfwcg44AgmIc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lNoK//ntLC7QV7JMzH7QFxQRf0E05fcXWSLL+IXKaPK9ykiV6E3mJzTp3zdiECmgkJ S4jCloc1Lmc/vVdS7G6rpezaLCx2tZqfn652U2sfP8Jo1cawEa6G+gS9FspWISAplo4U U1WUQuGk6aseqtab8bHmu7h9nXwiFTysPNByI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3671647562FB44F0B0F5ED55A766BA85@mpeserver> References: <3671647562FB44F0B0F5ED55A766BA85@mpeserver> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:04:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mirror snow drive From: Jeffrey Collins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d1e110e598d0497f47e83 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:04:11 +0000 (UTC) --0016364d1e110e598d0497f47e83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 cool video...and audio of course. Jeffrey Collins On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMpovplhGbg > > the organ soundtrack uses 2 EDPs synced in 6/8 (or was it 7/8?) > > -Michael Peters > > --0016364d1e110e598d0497f47e83 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 cool video...and audio of course.

Jeffrey Collins

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMpovplhGbg

the organ soundtrack uses 2 EDPs synced in 6/8 (or was it 7/8?)

-Michael Peters


--0016364d1e110e598d0497f47e83-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 00:06:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 979501834C8; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=2ZzS3Ew1W6fuYCFCtlb15vNNJxSpGYv95ydhMwvGtIs=; b=yGmKsEc2LJevdluPXNRJaxFeEt6L83E+BaA4eI1ShTiSjzGFcaAPnddreDPAqgdZql 0Wl4jOB8Pq5J9UHS19nkoOkzRCk2EWWRsKVDuMu0GLDkImvGlxCldTiAesULuxYWXLpM MyHTYwuLmFLO5KhY66wyldubsTjWgAIkb629A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=Yd2sF61sbBbKSmmfc65SuZqTpmr3uOTwKm1SHJWe49iAD5djuWbLIZP/dHgnoGx23U n5VjdsYFOwVhYW4G7mA6elMmdoIVuJ8zlcAk9kUDBBWG5L9597aDtysPx46giKFFAI4G gk/swPyDFGD62ENxmVeHrq/Ysmxjfs+G8kihM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4D1139A1.7080607@cruzio.com> References: <2984402612C34FD78AF00709192DFF39@mpeserver> <4D1139A1.7080607@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 01:05:40 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Kd4_CIkBvFLXeBNP0YCrf28NTNg Message-ID: Subject: Re: RE: the 60's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549b2bacf9b50497f4844c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:06:08 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30549b2bacf9b50497f4844c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > I wouldn't see another blossoming of that kind of creativity until the > early New Wave/Punk movements > in the late 70's and early 80's........even so, there has always been a > kind of cynicism that has accompanied > a lot of the musical movements > If you are using cynicism as a criticism think you are probably right, however the punk movement, of which I was a VERY young member and participator, was waaay more than cynical.. we were down-right angry. The absolute joy and freedom that I felt as a young radical anarchist (If only I had known what that meant) was something that I cannot report as being negative in anyway. Questions we were asking, were the exact same questions that the hippy movement were asking 10 to 12 years earlier, just that we chose aggression and chaos to rebel, where the hippys used free sex and drugs. (Note I don't use the terms peace and love here... we had that too!!!) I was also there during the birth of rave culture, although this time I was an organiser. The same feeling was there, a stepping aside from the norms o= f the music industry to put on festivals in fields, for free. Admittedly that culture didnt not take long to become main-stream, but for maybe 6 months from April til october was quite a ride I can tell you... there was no cynicism, just a desire to put something on that was not being allowed... And that was so DIY.. I remember going to a mansion house to pick up one of our DJ=B4s and a maid answering the door and taking me to this kids bedroom= , where he had an Atari and a synth and a 4 track.. he wrote a track in front of my eyes in 1 hour, we er.. staggered to the car.. went to the field wher= e my colleagues had set up the PA and within 45 minutes of the song being recorded there was 1500 people dancing to it... the track was called Killer= , and later became a huge hit for Seal... Mark --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --20cf30549b2bacf9b50497f4844c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
I wouldn't see another blossoming of that kind of crea= tivity until the early New Wave/Punk movements
in the late 70's and early 80's........even so, =A0there has always= been a kind of cynicism that has accompanied
a lot of the musical movements

If you are using = cynicism as a criticism think you are probably right, however the punk move= ment, of which I was a VERY young member and participator, was waaay more t= han cynical.. we were down-right angry.

The absolute joy and freedom that I felt as a young radical anarchist (= If only I had known what that meant) was something that I cannot report as = being negative in anyway. Questions we were asking, were the exact same que= stions that the hippy movement were asking 10 to 12 years earlier, just tha= t we chose aggression and chaos to rebel, where the hippys used free sex an= d drugs. (Note I don't use the terms peace and love here... we had that= too!!!)

I was also there during the birth of rave culture, although this time I= was an organiser. The same feeling was there, a stepping aside from the no= rms of the music industry to put on festivals in fields, for free. Admitted= ly that culture didnt not take long to become main-stream, but for maybe 6 = months from April til october was quite a ride I can tell you... there was = no cynicism, just a desire to put something on that was not being allowed..= . And that was so DIY.. I remember going to a mansion house to pick up one = of our DJ=B4s and a maid answering the door and taking me to this kids bedr= oom, where he had an Atari and a synth and a 4 track.. he wrote a track in = front of my eyes in 1 hour, we er.. staggered to the car.. went to the fiel= d where my colleagues had set up the PA and within 45 minutes of the song b= eing recorded there was 1500 people dancing to it... the track was called K= iller, and later became a huge hit for Seal...


Mark



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= http://www.looop.no
--20cf30549b2bacf9b50497f4844c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 00:06:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 294FA1834E5; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D114105.5050900@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:06:29 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Peters CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mirror snow drive References: <3671647562FB44F0B0F5ED55A766BA85@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <3671647562FB44F0B0F5ED55A766BA85@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:06:36 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMpovplhGbg > > the organ soundtrack uses 2 EDPs synced in 6/8 (or was it 7/8?) > > -Michael Peters I LOVE THIS TRACK!!!! and the vid, too. Wow, very beautiful..........it's transforming a very rainy and much needed day off. Thanks, Michael. rick walker ps and I think it's 6/4 from how I hear it. I just call it that because the count is slow and there are a lot of subdivisions in it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 00:30:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5118E1834EC; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292977826; bh=pOHW9yWi4FaaPRTcUyCiY8Aw010vz9uJ06TcQ7c/Mvo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o9eLdwskhxDfARAL6r9x5VS/q+h0BNHiwupHXPaisAkCpYn9IP+cDmXw4ixBJSoDzcyvj/IDrXCm5ObrISM4CdREeh23BcqLqk6LqIl+4vaIEV9PghTP3EggYA9GcIq9gLUXK3YCeNxKBRx6DhiUI8xxl2KByBvQ29ShJR7qGuE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4oEutjb8Ais4lwbJ1VSRCSfW41fNydzzNv4OgWs555DruymqQseYFqpAzXEC5u/SlNLOVP93IJG501j1CVbY4fLp8MCti9ccqY/YooMP1rBCNXeRB/Eg7rF4ndplXhlUR/j/cSiTfL43p3XsbfZ/biX/tFlpxqs6FIUeD3xaLKY=; Message-ID: <152166.6372.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6RqqDtYVM1kqQKDJPubCaq05vGbTiiBPL4cA9TpVJO5Iw_Y xFAe_WaLe5nrrmgaozCrXVPmiZCgkXvBM1SGDtOds0GSEpZ50XmUwNJ4n3Fm tfQLBSvzEWFJLgqia0DrNkeEH1oCP5P2zfb6Knr6PyphYBsixNit8FhwRzqw pnIThaIqIYV6kQGuKo2ws6Z54aVfoAWyiQVFQjqzn2zYZM6y4xccouPvS1YJ skhWEVLA9igxW76eHay4weNj3oEG1j0e54E7tptWDD9LsS28sjcJ9xOO41PZ wqz1yOzATcTkiRoORpOdukn3TeSADtGkqp7A2zFcrUHddEkN5bOOcZVO40mT umCslyUx4895hmBWUPp0xWvjEdN_XRsQR.yNJpJb1R8m9SO9zbaXIpwIpiz3 DGy7Y.pEiX5oVbQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:30:25 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1620132323-1292977825=:6372" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:30:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-1620132323-1292977825=:6372 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just an FYI, I am buying one in any case. I certainly don't want to have an= y negative light placed on the Boomerang. I was just curious (and confused)= at the product descriptions on the two websites I visited. --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Matt Davignon wrote: From: Matt Davignon Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 6:33 PM Actually, the Amazon page doesn't specify either way whether a power supply is included. Most items of this type have a "specifications" section of the product description that would include this information. That this section is missing, and the "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought..." lists a power supply, there is definitely a strong implication that it comes without a power supply... On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Mike wrote: > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I just sent the = following > email to our rep that handles Amazon: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"Amazon is selling the III without a power supply. The pro= duct is > indivisible and comprises a III, power supply & manual. Negative chatter = is > occurring on some forums regarding "our" gouging practices. Please have t= hem > stop this. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0They are either splitting the product up or attempting to = sell 2 > power supplies to each customer. Either way it's a deceptive trade > practice." > > > On 21-Dec-10 9:33 AM, fh@flatheadband.com wrote: >> >> I love the "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought..." suggestion >> lists...a lot of times listing duplicate >> and/or redundant items. >> >> =A0 =A0-------- Original Message -------- >> =A0 =A0Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price >> =A0 =A0From: Elmer Fuddski > > >> =A0 =A0Date: Mon, December 20, 2010 7:19 pm >> =A0 =A0To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> =A0 =A0Well, that's great. But AMS & Amazon.com appe= ar to >> be positioning the Boomerang as >> =A0 =A0power supply needed. Check out this link: >> >> >> =A0http://www.amazon.com/Boomerang-III-Phrase-Sampler-E-156/dp/B0035WTPL= 0/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dmusical-instruments&qid=3D1292890362&sr=3D1-1 >> >> =A0 >> >> =A0 =A0The Boomerang description on the above two sites >> (www.americanmusical.com >> =A0 =A0& amazon.com ) doesn't clarify this and it 'ap= pears' >> as if the power supply is a needed >> =A0 =A0add-on. >> >> =A0 =A0'Sorry for any confusion if I'm mis-reading their websites. I was= about >> to buy one last week. >> >> =A0 =A0Jake >> >> =A0 =A0--- On *Mon, 12/20/10, Mike /> >/* wrote: >> >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0From: Mike > > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 2:34 PM >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Hold on, partner. You're getting your wagon in front of t= he >> horse... or something like that. Each and >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0every pedal sold by Boomerang comes with a power supply, = has always >> come with a power supply and will >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0always come with a power supply if it is not a battery po= wered >> pedal. >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Just to ensure that this comment does not go viral... ALL= BOOMERANG >> PEDALS ARE SHIPPED WITH A POWER >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0SUPPLY. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Merry Christmas. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0On 20-Dec-10 4:19 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0> =A0Is this a new trend? I can see a pedal that is optio= nally >> BATTERY-POWERED not including a power >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0supply but a >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0> =A0device that is NOT battery-powered??? What good is t= he unit w/o >> a power supply? >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0> =A0I can that making an items price more attractive and= possibly >> competitive is an advantage of not >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0including the >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0> =A0power supply but is a power supplys wholesale cost $= 18.00 in the >> first place? >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0> =A0No offense to the designer/manufacturer Mike, but it= 's a little >> gouge-y. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Mike Nelson >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0---------- >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"Some products make you sound better; >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better." >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0---------- >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-= 8509, Fax >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.boomerangmusic.com >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Contact for repairs: >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Lee Hardesty >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01516 Victoria Drive >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Denton, TX 76209 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0hardesty@mindspring.com >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0940-382-3253 >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Billing Address: >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0PO Box 3788 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Grapevine, TX 76099-3788 >> >> > > -- > > Mike Nelson > Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. > General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. > > ---------- > > "Some products make you sound better; > =A0Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better." > > ---------- > > 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax > > http://www.boomerangmusic.com > > Contact for repairs: > Lee Hardesty > 1516 Victoria Drive > Denton, TX =A076209 > hardesty@mindspring.com > 940-382-3253 > > Billing Address: > Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. > PO Box 3788 > Grapevine, TX =A076099-3788 > > --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt =0A=0A=0A --0-1620132323-1292977825=:6372 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-1620132323-1292977825=:6372-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 00:40:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CE331834FB; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:References:In-Reply-To:X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:X-Mailer:From:X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid:Subject:Date:To; b=NeRp7yPff/O0yUfHMEeF32RkQwtY49uAWanPs0wszOX1ENitJMHfvFw71aln29VIDlwiuB7HYVOyRKSURFVb97rvhzrn+4SvehLQY9DL6pbL8AS8cnulU95Yn/P7U7gTGwkol6voyoTiXnylOgQwaF/rpJR1wD4WAyiUNJKdoYc= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292978432; bh=RywcZ/mtFH6PD3U3cVbWYZ3LgrskRXO3EPZHensVA0c=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:References:In-Reply-To:X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:X-Mailer:From:X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid:Subject:Date:To; b=LorQnFoFAfhPNOZaNUVIUno0FOgy2FICqtgtZuVZ9KAt1iefgxIqj+UHt0SwiwzVWvsUTU2ZUF0HJwAFU9DzAm+1MIeIb6C1GwyLz7nDzLZkMN8k5zXfEtisq+zjuxyNOW0A4VfscPQlpZ3FeF8fr8dZhaTyJAxskLKWHWxLTn4= X-Yahoo-SMTP: cbl3tnqswBDkGFtI4OuHWgFbyw-- X-YMail-OSG: I7rgFtsVM1kNjX4c8.Tc9b6xekChqOculKtixFl48q2m4Wz Ax6l.ZHHq09a79rCdtDb7oNwMJPXrfGTF6hEk_E8dVMKbiJC9PCBENaZ3VNL ZTfWDEZg6ZZYHTuH6tr8mGLstnOtJnWRm11S53UDT38iH14W43Hy8quUHbhG q_VxOMPfAlZnD31Vw2x7fMllvQctSjBXYrg77qmScfK8t_ZRBZSjS30c5age Ku8XVCO1PRUux1WFKLVxB3y1NX13mNB8D3Ohztvc0H4s0oWeM_8np473CqD6 ynMo2kcsgbkR0..xPTmRqXt5Z9L1A1WNxrwsgIGzVp0Kiq20O0syznl7O8Il 2O5cY2btf2XXxOrJNlq.YVLnxDd4qz7cl0foEszY- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 References: <25463.30034.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder: Loopers Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8B117) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8B117) From: Norman Thibodeau X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 1_14247_AEvPjkQAAELqTRDT+gVLtRdaNSA Subject: Re: Triggering Ableton clips via a MIDI track Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:42:40 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: <_Jwld.A.YOD.CkUENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:40:34 +0000 (UTC) I'm able to trigger an audio clip on MIDI ch 16, using a keyboard. And I hav= e a MIDI clip sending out messages on ch 16. But I haven't been able to get t= he MIDI clip to trigger the audio clip. What I'm wondering is what exactly Z= oe Keating does to "make a controller talk." Greetings from New York State Sent from my iPod On Dec 21, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Norman Thibodeau wrote= : >>=20 >> The part where I'm at a loss is "make a controller talk on channel 16." T= he LED's tell me that my MIDI track's notes are firing, but not reaching any= audio tracks. >=20 > "Channel" here means "MIDI Channel". >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 00:42:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD138183508; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=boomerangmusic.com; h=From:Content-Type:To:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From:X-RcptTo; z=From:=20Mike=20|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3DISO-8859-1=3B=20format=3Dflowed|To:=20Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com|Subject:=20Re=3A=20Boomerang=20Power=20Supply=20Not=20Included=20in=20Price|Message-ID:=20<4D114958.7080604@boomerangmusic.com>|X-Sender:=20mnelson@boomerangmusic.com|X-Envelope-From:=20mnelson*boomerangmusic.com|X-RcptTo:=20Loopers-Delight*loopers-delight.com; l=500; bh=tZQk3eV4uGU8NgBzL4o5zV5Orrr8dhIemyZ+lTMsly8=; b=JRvQwK0HfayNmd14nmp/cSDflSg9wyzb6BumFLu6bE77LcFq+b4CIRo4oDomn+0tHfMBGOcGFRbwCNh1f2TjzlmDg+w8ROffRcgeTHkMm2XoOt6DzRx68a6A3niGgWdvMhCF0TXUzq3cAAsVnEwc1pVljW6C3I/Ix1F6Ikofn58= Message-ID: <4D114958.7080604@boomerangmusic.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:42:00 -0600 From: Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price References: <152166.6372.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <152166.6372.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2010 00:42:03.0639 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D480070:01CBA171] X-Sender: mnelson@boomerangmusic.com Old-X-Envelope-From: mnelson*boomerangmusic.com X-RcptTo: Loopers-Delight*loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:42:04 +0000 (UTC) No problem. I'm glad you brought it to my attention. It strikes me as unethical, hence the email to our rep. On 21-Dec-10 6:30 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > Just an FYI, I am buying one in any case. I certainly don't want to have any negative light placed on the > Boomerang. I was just curious (and confused) at the product descriptions on the two websites I visited. > > --- On *Tue, 12/21/10, Matt Davignon //* wrote: > > > From: Matt Davignon > Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 6:33 PM > > Actually, the Amazon page doesn't specify either way whether a power > supply is included. Most items of this type have a "specifications" > section of the product description that would include this > information. > > That this section is missing, and the "Customers Who Bought This Item > Also Bought..." lists a power supply, there is definitely a strong > implication that it comes without a power supply... > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Mike > wrote: > > Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I just sent the following > > email to our rep that handles Amazon: > > > > "Amazon is selling the III without a power supply. The product is > > indivisible and comprises a III, power supply & manual. Negative chatter is > > occurring on some forums regarding "our" gouging practices. Please have them > > stop this. > > They are either splitting the product up or attempting to sell 2 > > power supplies to each customer. Either way it's a deceptive trade > > practice." > > > > > > On 21-Dec-10 9:33 AM, fh@flatheadband.com > wrote: > >> > >> I love the "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought..." suggestion > >> lists...a lot of times listing duplicate > >> and/or redundant items. > >> > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price > >> From: Elmer Fuddski > >> >> > >> Date: Mon, December 20, 2010 7:19 pm > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >> > > >> > >> Well, that's great. But AMS & Amazon.com > appear to > >> be positioning the Boomerang as > >> power supply needed. Check out this link: > >> > >> > >> > http://www.amazon.com/Boomerang-III-Phrase-Sampler-E-156/dp/B0035WTPL0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=musical-instruments&qid=1292890362&sr=1-1 > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> The Boomerang description on the above two sites > >> (www.americanmusical.com > > >> & amazon.com >) doesn't clarify this and it 'appears' > >> as if the power supply is a needed > >> add-on. > >> > >> 'Sorry for any confusion if I'm mis-reading their websites. I was about > >> to buy one last week. > >> > >> Jake > >> > >> --- On *Mon, 12/20/10, Mike / > >> >>/* wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: Mike > >> >> > >> Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >> > > >> Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 2:34 PM > >> > >> Hold on, partner. You're getting your wagon in front of the > >> horse... or something like that. Each and > >> every pedal sold by Boomerang comes with a power supply, has always > >> come with a power supply and will > >> always come with a power supply if it is not a battery powered > >> pedal. > >> Just to ensure that this comment does not go viral... ALL BOOMERANG > >> PEDALS ARE SHIPPED WITH A POWER > >> SUPPLY. > >> > >> Merry Christmas. > >> > >> On 20-Dec-10 4:19 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: > >> > Is this a new trend? I can see a pedal that is optionally > >> BATTERY-POWERED not including a power > >> supply but a > >> > device that is NOT battery-powered??? What good is the unit w/o > >> a power supply? > >> > I can that making an items price more attractive and possibly > >> competitive is an advantage of not > >> including the > >> > power supply but is a power supplys wholesale cost $18.00 in the > >> first place? > >> > No offense to the designer/manufacturer Mike, but it's a little > >> gouge-y. > >> > >> -- > >> Mike Nelson > >> Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. > >> General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. > >> > >> ---------- > >> > >> "Some products make you sound better; > >> Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better." > >> > >> ---------- > >> > >> 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax > >> > >> http://www.boomerangmusic.com > >> > >> Contact for repairs: > >> Lee Hardesty > >> 1516 Victoria Drive > >> Denton, TX 76209 > >> hardesty@mindspring.com > > > >> 940-382-3253 > >> > >> Billing Address: > >> Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. > >> PO Box 3788 > >> Grapevine, TX 76099-3788 > >> > >> > > > > -- > > > > Mike Nelson > > Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. > > General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. > > > > ---------- > > > > "Some products make you sound better; > > Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better." > > > > ---------- > > > > 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax > > > > http://www.boomerangmusic.com > > > > Contact for repairs: > > Lee Hardesty > > 1516 Victoria Drive > > Denton, TX 76209 > > hardesty@mindspring.com > > 940-382-3253 > > > > Billing Address: > > Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. > > PO Box 3788 > > Grapevine, TX 76099-3788 > > > > > > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > -- Mike Nelson Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. ---------- "Some products make you sound better; Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better." ---------- 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com Contact for repairs: Lee Hardesty 1516 Victoria Drive Denton, TX 76209 hardesty@mindspring.com 940-382-3253 Billing Address: Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. PO Box 3788 Grapevine, TX 76099-3788 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 00:50:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93C601834D2; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:References:In-Reply-To:X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:X-Mailer:From:X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid:Subject:Date:To; b=LVgu7Ho1UO9XoEMxOTXeD33DabrElFSSc+xgscOz+PR4TG9Oq6ahDELZb2d8TA5qNCT/xKE8mfuNkbTve4efGOOHMm868UP0Z+DxX2li69J0kbCZisrqBUFK3O43KdOQihPhz/IXJgF5BRcOfE3CuKd1ITFAxsQSlu455AALGTI= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292979042; bh=a6uNrG0UpTuMNFcw/FE0y8yo0ugBWuvjbBmk+sEmQRU=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:References:In-Reply-To:X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:X-Mailer:From:X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid:Subject:Date:To; b=er09ght6ckGZicDUYXNmMh6EoPm9UTSzIbw4DfRJ+8RtgDEeCKKn0oOtbazbKfSw+q72FZtAIbd9MmXe0KzAJveP0UOC+sG+fokpEGkiVCOBiZPeleZ5mSeRqVLB4SzRynsr6tqHA+P4W5LhRQVQsOj6iR40ajkFyHBPjJFQlDg= X-Yahoo-SMTP: cbl3tnqswBDkGFtI4OuHWgFbyw-- X-YMail-OSG: BBlgvEgVM1lG8rdsIBPAbcZ_LUYKQ2WZJvY698UenFEiULp vJ3nMEMjrG.juCbzVowONpwYZIWm.KPmPbC8ieu89NsSdZwS8J7b3h2jTz5T zr7Wtf3.Hn3dinPNBjU16Aewi.8n2W9.P6SCNZ1up14ir6kTuusxq0j9SE6n LgawaE5.JxmAbaR.5arCDVtOi2IF19aFdmmPgnKHdSwZiD.ExJgkLOFIud7A Ym6mbl1Bz7SGeQ2thbNuKbEXuYa_LPnjyRNPiSMy8Ge.DtWEEniAfhce9O1f iiCryloeJtTfXPedaEhv.sTubncDprPT8vcMN6Y8DPb9NSyvU_aS0KUyPwn. DMERvcZgi5T9hfzcfGMPrthg6ucKhU03PfvYy0Dk- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 References: <25463.30034.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder: Loopers Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8B117) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8B117) From: Norman Thibodeau X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 1_14247_AEvPjkQAAELqTRDT+gVLtRdaNSA Subject: Re: Triggering Ableton clips via a MIDI track Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:52:48 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:50:43 +0000 (UTC) For instance, I was wondering whether I was missing something in the Ableton= MIDI preferences. Sent from my iPod On Dec 21, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Norman Thibodeau wrote= : >>=20 >> The part where I'm at a loss is "make a controller talk on channel 16." T= he LED's tell me that my MIDI track's notes are firing, but not reaching any= audio tracks. >=20 > "Channel" here means "MIDI Channel". >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 01:30:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1D4D1834DF; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 01:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QpH+MBr//PZQyGlj6O42LdpHHe3I/t5Yhek+d9Ds45k=; b=pMPmu0Ndk3+PnbmP3EKPokG3co2iiWfhDQFApxSYk4s2kWMgaqqzWfa1UmUIkLucsK wgaNvUP6QPVIls+eZ7+20dmI37SKGWJsGHlhtMLDcwrASKkBQkuF2c3ibbnD674KBERC ku3pf1cNEXI3y4pcOcqKAD2a7ywewTJpP7VyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=FoKAsbK/2MSc18nDc6LOzk4d/EciqzyVKyjcMq8d92wZBkCKwWGnMwkEktlhE1FL96 hXpwnTUylV5LTyfPFNQ1iHWHp88sUbu7jhqpktJe8z2OujkajHgblXh0TT16wiygee3l thq4bV8GSpg8NA2rhCjotVuEyjLE5CeHB74OE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1012010C97BF4077BD11E14AC4DCA425@mpeserver> <4D0A338D.2040903@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 02:30:12 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Films of Eno creating his latest record.... 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Gotta pick Frank over Brian anyday. > > 2010/12/21 Raul Bonell > >> No. We're not following his work since he repudiated FZ music. >> >> >> --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela!= !! =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, para no = enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados... --0016363b84acc501d00497f5b17c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For me= , I like quite everything of both and I do not care the least what th= e views of each other are. This is about music, not boxing. Videos streaming ;-)

--001636427489f1a1300497f5dde3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 06:59:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00D35183458; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 06:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_193c6b7a-cc69-4d11-b62e-630576392d48_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 06:59:43 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4D113DE8.8020708@cruzio.com> References: <965282.31279.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,<4D113DE8.8020708@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2010 06:59:43.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF63A180:01CBA1A5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 06:59:45 +0000 (UTC) --_193c6b7a-cc69-4d11-b62e-630576392d48_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Me and my wife got handfasted for the 3rd time during the lunar eclipse=2C (we handfast on the winter solstice each year) next to a frozen lake.=20 Worth getting up at 5.30am and carrying firewood through the woods for a mi= le or 2 over the snow. Earth=2C air fire=2C water and spirit - what a couple of bloody hippies - I= blame the 60's! Peace G > Date: Tue=2C 21 Dec 2010 15:53:12 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: stevebassbird@yahoo.com > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice >=20 > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Steve Uccello wrote: > > Pretty special! It was amazing over here in Monterey. It was funny tho= ugh=2C I didn't realize it was happening till I checked my email late at ni= ght > Dang it=2C not 30 miles north of you=2C we were completely socked in w= ith=20 > fog and > I missed the whole thing even though we were planning on watching for=20 > several days. > I'm glad you got to watch it=2C Steve! >=20 = --_193c6b7a-cc69-4d11-b62e-630576392d48_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Me and my wife got handfasted for the 3rd time during the lunar eclipse=2C (we handfast on the winter solstice each year) next to a frozen lake.
= Worth getting up at 5.30am and carrying firewood through the woods for a mi= le or 2 over the snow.
Earth=2C air fire=2C water and spirit - what a co= uple of bloody hippies - I blame the 60's!

Peace

G

>= =3B Date: Tue=2C 21 Dec 2010 15:53:12 -0800
>=3B From: looppool@cruzio= .com
>=3B To: stevebassbird@yahoo.com
>=3B CC: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice
>=3B <= br>>=3B On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Steve Uccello wrote:
>=3B >=3B Pret= ty special! It was amazing over here in Monterey. It was funny though=2C I= didn't realize it was happening till I checked my email late at night
&= gt=3B Dang it=2C not 30 miles north of you=2C we were completely socked = in with
>=3B fog and
>=3B I missed the whole thing even though w= e were planning on watching for
>=3B several days.
>=3B I'm glad= you got to watch it=2C Steve!
>=3B
= --_193c6b7a-cc69-4d11-b62e-630576392d48_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 07:04:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA895183457; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_207ff2ea-b562-4160-85f1-f5ca07ed84d5_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:04:40 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20101221083353.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.98943e34ac.wbe@email00.secureserver.net>,<4D11130A.5050807@boomerangmusic.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2010 07:04:40.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[80BC0580:01CBA1A6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:04:43 +0000 (UTC) --_207ff2ea-b562-4160-85f1-f5ca07ed84d5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I personally wouldn't buy from Amazon again after they tried to curtail fre= e speech by censoring the wikileaks websites that used their servers. ps I love this list - what a breath of fresh air! > Date: Tue=2C 21 Dec 2010 15:33:04 -0800 > Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price > From: mattdavignon@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Actually=2C the Amazon page doesn't specify either way whether a power > supply is included. Most items of this type have a "specifications" > section of the product description that would include this > information. >=20 > That this section is missing=2C and the "Customers Who Bought This Item > Also Bought..." lists a power supply=2C there is definitely a strong > implication that it comes without a power supply... >=20 > On Tue=2C Dec 21=2C 2010 at 12:50 PM=2C Mike = wrote: > > Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I just sent the follow= ing > > email to our rep that handles Amazon: > > > > "Amazon is selling the III without a power supply. The product i= s > > indivisible and comprises a III=2C power supply & manual. Negative chat= ter is > > occurring on some forums regarding "our" gouging practices. Please have= them > > stop this. > > They are either splitting the product up or attempting to sell 2 > > power supplies to each customer. Either way it's a deceptive trade > > practice." > > > > > > On 21-Dec-10 9:33 AM=2C fh@flatheadband.com wrote: > >> > >> I love the "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought..." suggestion > >> lists...a lot of times listing duplicate > >> and/or redundant items. > >> > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price > >> From: Elmer Fuddski >> > > >> Date: Mon=2C December 20=2C 2010 7:19 pm > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> > >> Well=2C that's great. But AMS & Amazon.com appe= ar to > >> be positioning the Boomerang as > >> power supply needed. Check out this link: > >> > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/Boomerang-III-Phrase-Sampler-E-156/dp/B0035WTPL= 0/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dmusical-instruments&qid=3D1292890362&sr=3D1-1 > >> > >> > >> > >> The Boomerang description on the above two sites > >> (www.americanmusical.com > >> & amazon.com ) doesn't clarify this and it 'appe= ars' > >> as if the power supply is a needed > >> add-on. > >> > >> 'Sorry for any confusion if I'm mis-reading their websites. I was a= bout > >> to buy one last week. > >> > >> Jake > >> > >> --- On *Mon=2C 12/20/10=2C Mike / >> >/* wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: Mike >> > > >> Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> Date: Monday=2C December 20=2C 2010=2C 2:34 PM > >> > >> Hold on=2C partner. You're getting your wagon in front of the > >> horse... or something like that. Each and > >> every pedal sold by Boomerang comes with a power supply=2C has = always > >> come with a power supply and will > >> always come with a power supply if it is not a battery powered > >> pedal. > >> Just to ensure that this comment does not go viral... ALL BOOME= RANG > >> PEDALS ARE SHIPPED WITH A POWER > >> SUPPLY. > >> > >> Merry Christmas. > >> > >> On 20-Dec-10 4:19 PM=2C Elmer Fuddski wrote: > >> > Is this a new trend? I can see a pedal that is optionally > >> BATTERY-POWERED not including a power > >> supply but a > >> > device that is NOT battery-powered??? What good is the unit = w/o > >> a power supply? > >> > I can that making an items price more attractive and possibl= y > >> competitive is an advantage of not > >> including the > >> > power supply but is a power supplys wholesale cost $18.00 in= the > >> first place? > >> > No offense to the designer/manufacturer Mike=2C but it's a l= ittle > >> gouge-y. > >> > >> -- > >> Mike Nelson > >> Secretary/Treasurer=2C Boomerang Management=2C Inc. > >> General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products=2C Ltd. > >> > >> ---------- > >> > >> "Some products make you sound better=3B > >> Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better." > >> > >> ---------- > >> > >> 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762=2C Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509= =2C Fax > >> > >> http://www.boomerangmusic.com > >> > >> Contact for repairs: > >> Lee Hardesty > >> 1516 Victoria Drive > >> Denton=2C TX 76209 > >> hardesty@mindspring.com > >> 940-382-3253 > >> > >> Billing Address: > >> Boomerang Musical Products=2C Ltd. > >> PO Box 3788 > >> Grapevine=2C TX 76099-3788 > >> > >> > > > > -- > > > > Mike Nelson > > Secretary/Treasurer=2C Boomerang Management=2C Inc. > > General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products=2C Ltd. > > > > ---------- > > > > "Some products make you sound better=3B > > Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better." > > > > ---------- > > > > 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762=2C Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509=2C Fax > > > > http://www.boomerangmusic.com > > > > Contact for repairs: > > Lee Hardesty > > 1516 Victoria Drive > > Denton=2C TX 76209 > > hardesty@mindspring.com > > 940-382-3253 > > > > Billing Address: > > Boomerang Musical Products=2C Ltd. > > PO Box 3788 > > Grapevine=2C TX 76099-3788 > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt >=20 = --_207ff2ea-b562-4160-85f1-f5ca07ed84d5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I personally wouldn't buy from Amazon again after they tried to curtail fre= e speech by censoring the wikileaks websites that used their servers.
ps I love this list - what a breath of fresh air!

>=3B Date: Tue= =2C 21 Dec 2010 15:33:04 -0800
>=3B Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Suppl= y Not Included in Price
>=3B From: mattdavignon@gmail.com
>=3B To= : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B Actually=2C the = Amazon page doesn't specify either way whether a power
>=3B supply is = included. Most items of this type have a "specifications"
>=3B section= of the product description that would include this
>=3B information.<= br>>=3B
>=3B That this section is missing=2C and the "Customers Who= Bought This Item
>=3B Also Bought..." lists a power supply=2C there i= s definitely a strong
>=3B implication that it comes without a power s= upply...
>=3B
>=3B On Tue=2C Dec 21=2C 2010 at 12:50 PM=2C Mike = <=3Bmnelson@boomerangmusic.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B  =3B &nb= sp=3B  =3B  =3BThanks for bringing this to my attention. I just sen= t the following
>=3B >=3B email to our rep that handles Amazon:
&= gt=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B"Amazon is= selling the III without a power supply. The product is
>=3B >=3B in= divisible and comprises a III=2C power supply &=3B manual. Negative chat= ter is
>=3B >=3B occurring on some forums regarding "our" gouging pr= actices. Please have them
>=3B >=3B stop this.
>=3B >=3B &nbs= p=3B  =3B  =3B  =3BThey are either splitting the product up or = attempting to sell 2
>=3B >=3B power supplies to each customer. Eith= er way it's a deceptive trade
>=3B >=3B practice."
>=3B >=3B<= br>>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B On 21-Dec-10 9:33 AM=2C fh@flatheadband.c= om wrote:
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B I love the "Custome= rs Who Bought This Item Also Bought..." suggestion
>=3B >=3B>=3B l= ists...a lot of times listing duplicate
>=3B >=3B>=3B and/or redun= dant items.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B= -------- Original Message --------
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B= Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price
>=3B >=3B&= gt=3B  =3B  =3BFrom: Elmer Fuddski <=3Bjakebrakesrule@yahoo.com>=3B >=3B>=3B <=3Bmailto:jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com>=3B>=3B
= >=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3BDate: Mon=2C December 20=2C 2010 7:19 = pm
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3BTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com
>=3B >=3B>=3B <=3Bmailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3BW= ell=2C that's great. But AMS &=3B Amazon.com <=3Bhttp://Amazon.com>= =3B appear to
>=3B >=3B>=3B be positioning the Boomerang as
>= =3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3Bpower supply needed. Check out this link:=
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B  = =3Bhttp://www.amazon.com/Boomerang-III-Phrase-Sampler-E-156/dp/B0035WTPL0/r= ef=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&=3Bs=3Dmusical-instruments&=3Bqid=3D1292890362&= amp=3Bsr=3D1-1
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B<=3B= http://www.amazon.com/Boomerang-III-Phrase-Sampler-E-156/dp/B0035WTPL0/ref= =3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&=3Bs=3Dmusical-instruments&=3Bqid=3D1292890362&am= p=3Bsr=3D1-1>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B &= nbsp=3BThe Boomerang description on the above two sites
>=3B >=3B>= =3B (www.americanmusical.com <=3Bhttp://www.americanmusical.com>=3B
= >=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B&=3B amazon.com <=3Bhttp://amazon= .com>=3B) doesn't clarify this and it 'appears'
>=3B >=3B>=3B as= if the power supply is a needed
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3Bad= d-on.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B'Sorry= for any confusion if I'm mis-reading their websites. I was about
>=3B= >=3B>=3B to buy one last week.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B= >=3B  =3B  =3BJake
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B =  =3B  =3B--- On *Mon=2C 12/20/10=2C Mike /<=3Bmnelson@boomerangmu= sic.com
>=3B >=3B>=3B <=3Bmailto:mnelson@boomerangmusic.com>= =3B>=3B/* wrote:
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B = >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3BFrom: Mike <=3Bmnelson@bo= omerangmusic.com
>=3B >=3B>=3B <=3Bmailto:mnelson@boomerangmusic= .com>=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B= Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price
>=3B >=3B&= gt=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3BTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com
>=3B >=3B>=3B <=3Bmailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c= om>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3BDate: Mo= nday=2C December 20=2C 2010=2C 2:34 PM
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >= =3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3BHold on=2C partner. You're get= ting your wagon in front of the
>=3B >=3B>=3B horse... or somethin= g like that. Each and
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B &nb= sp=3Bevery pedal sold by Boomerang comes with a power supply=2C has always<= br>>=3B >=3B>=3B come with a power supply and will
>=3B >=3B&g= t=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3Balways come with a power supply if = it is not a battery powered
>=3B >=3B>=3B pedal.
>=3B >=3B&= gt=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3BJust to ensure that this comment d= oes not go viral... ALL BOOMERANG
>=3B >=3B>=3B PEDALS ARE SHIPPED= WITH A POWER
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3BSUP= PLY.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  = =3B  =3BMerry Christmas.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B =  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3BOn 20-Dec-10 4:19 PM=2C Elmer Fuddski wr= ote:
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B>=3B  = =3BIs this a new trend? I can see a pedal that is optionally
>=3B >= =3B>=3B BATTERY-POWERED not including a power
>=3B >=3B>=3B &nbs= p=3B  =3B  =3B  =3Bsupply but a
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B=  =3B  =3B  =3B>=3B  =3Bdevice that is NOT battery-powere= d??? What good is the unit w/o
>=3B >=3B>=3B a power supply?
&g= t=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B>=3B  =3BI can t= hat making an items price more attractive and possibly
>=3B >=3B>= =3B competitive is an advantage of not
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B &nbs= p=3B  =3B  =3Bincluding the
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  = =3B  =3B  =3B>=3B  =3Bpower supply but is a power supplys who= lesale cost $18.00 in the
>=3B >=3B>=3B first place?
>=3B >= =3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B>=3B  =3BNo offense to t= he designer/manufacturer Mike=2C but it's a little
>=3B >=3B>=3B g= ouge-y.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B &nb= sp=3B  =3B--
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B= Mike Nelson
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3BSecre= tary/Treasurer=2C Boomerang Management=2C Inc.
>=3B >=3B>=3B  = =3B  =3B  =3B  =3BGeneral Partner of Boomerang Musical Products= =2C Ltd.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B &n= bsp=3B  =3B----------
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B &nb= sp=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B"Some products make you sound better=3B
= >=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3BBoomerang(R) Phrase = Samplers makes you play better."
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>= =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B----------
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B1-800-530-4699 * 1-= 817-421-2762=2C Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509=2C Fax
>=3B >=3B>=3B<= br>>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3Bhttp://www.boomer= angmusic.com
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  = =3B  =3B  =3BContact for repairs:
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B &= nbsp=3B  =3B  =3BLee Hardesty
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  = =3B  =3B  =3B1516 Victoria Drive
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B &n= bsp=3B  =3B  =3BDenton=2C TX 76209
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B =  =3B  =3B  =3Bhardesty@mindspring.com <=3B/mc/compose?to=3Dha= rdesty@mindspring.com>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  = =3B  =3B940-382-3253
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B &nbs= p=3B  =3B  =3B  =3BBilling Address:
>=3B >=3B>=3B &nbs= p=3B  =3B  =3B  =3BBoomerang Musical Products=2C Ltd.
>=3B= >=3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3BPO Box 3788
>=3B >= =3B>=3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3BGrapevine=2C TX 76099-3788
= >=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >= =3B --
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Mike Nelson
>=3B >=3B Secre= tary/Treasurer=2C Boomerang Management=2C Inc.
>=3B >=3B General Par= tner of Boomerang Musical Products=2C Ltd.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >= =3B ----------
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B "Some products make you so= und better=3B
>=3B >=3B  =3BBoomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes y= ou play better."
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B ----------
>=3B >= =3B
>=3B >=3B 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762=2C Outside USA * 1-817= -251-8509=2C Fax
>=3B >=3B
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<= /body> = --_207ff2ea-b562-4160-85f1-f5ca07ed84d5_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 07:28:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEBB7183459; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:references:from:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=F9qnx4E1gQh/JAUY0l0hpTv6vdvBcGGJXs1A+kdo0vk=; b=k2BSCynPywCiSHCLxRlRgfK3QuoxtBU3CLkUtSDetk7FtBuRzKCI5twFrdB03oGHNa I8ko3lbjTtlr63C5nHHLg0hOt+T8jjhouU/0ql/KS3yOPkEjkO75K2k3kD6D3BOkdXvg IaCscZWWYHEnNHX9n1qKhM9mDo/+4J8d6qDY8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=xQLn98lPIZQOHa3NvTJhtowZM8EBSY5OXk/O1YAsxWwaD6N79eji0nLMrFjQ9P9w9Y VuzW7mWiw1MT/uyuEj/gbfv3aqZ9HuqNkUQXdwzbcYkTxxrHG0Caou6dUPr79fr6HpPl BaJBmatHjKJjB/Uf9yDpUSbT92fhkihBggZ7M= References: <965282.31279.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4D113DE8.8020708@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:28:34 +0100 Message-ID: <-8035843252112736291@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Handfast? Sorry, never heard the term? is this a sexual maneuver? Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 22 Dec 2010, at 07:59, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Me and my wife got handfasted for the 3rd time during the lunar eclipse, (we handfast on the winter solstice each year) next to a frozen lake. > Worth getting up at 5.30am and carrying firewood through the woods for a mile or 2 over the snow. > Earth, air fire, water and spirit - what a couple of bloody hippies - I blame the 60's! > > Peace > > G > > > Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:53:12 -0800 > > From: looppool@cruzio.com > > To: stevebassbird@yahoo.com > > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice > > > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Steve Uccello wrote: > > > Pretty special! It was amazing over here in Monterey. It was funny though, I didn't realize it was happening till I checked my email late at night > > Dang it, not 30 miles north of you, we were completely socked in with > > fog and > > I missed the whole thing even though we were planning on watching for > > several days. > > I'm glad you got to watch it, Steve! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 08:10:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76393183459; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:10:06 +0900 Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice From: Dustbunnies To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: OT: Lunar Solstice Thread-Index: Acuhr6RqLWGsQwIyR3mlCyB+cmRoAQ== In-Reply-To: <-8035843252112736291@unknownmsgid> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:10:18 +0000 (UTC) On 12/22/10 4:28 PM, "mark francombe" wrote: > > Handfast? Sorry, never heard the term? is this a sexual maneuver? You're in the land of the Norse and you've never come across that term before? ;) What: I'll bet you probably didn't keep the Yule bonfire raging until dawn either, didja?. We're damn lucky the sun made it back up again this side of the Solstice. Heathen! (whups, waitasec. those guys are farther south than there, aren't they? nevermind...) --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 08:15:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA5B5183453; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_966cbcf1-a64f-4358-b320-3a7c416973c9_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:15:17 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <-8035843252112736291@unknownmsgid>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2010 08:15:17.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E174350:01CBA1B0] Resent-Message-ID: <3TdzSD.A.qfF.XObENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:15:19 +0000 (UTC) --_966cbcf1-a64f-4358-b320-3a7c416973c9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 is this a sexual maneuver? =20 No - that comes later.. >=20 > You're in the land of the Norse and you've never come across that term > before? =3B) >=20 > What: I'll bet you probably didn't keep the Yule bonfire raging until daw= n > either=2C didja?. We're damn lucky the sun made it back up again this sid= e of > the Solstice. Heathen! (whups=2C waitasec. those guys are farther south t= han > there=2C aren't they? nevermind...) >=20 Yes the fire saw the dawn in - and made us toast too. You could say we toas= ted the sunrise though the sunrise didn't toast us.. =20 peace =20 g = --_966cbcf1-a64f-4358-b320-3a7c416973c9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= --_966cbcf1-a64f-4358-b320-3a7c416973c9_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 08:15:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC7C8183475; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293005722; bh=meWuFvyICE60KRpp2yNbwmUSzxkVb+u0FGGHUk2mpCc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1+8+qoFMqCrSG67TQquRabNSosQr0aziMyfftjzI/fRyYoj6wVt3CgA9K5pzN8Q55lL9Tl0xg/A1Hmwhg78TCqeCv//baqg2+mpijKNWARUxPEbzVweLtF0N+jdc2GlXQfWUoGhlScMyunNFxIuLwsi2NLOedBgdxXNZaJejvSI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=acaYhHE7/KvpsxMIreQKhc9w5gYvXIEAVUMzPS6LvzkTSsQJtgSnP5UY+uu1bubjYiU+xhzHTIuXDfU5IfXmcf8cJbS8FtnfMg34yZfzqrbj/GhBzZrpwZv0vqksGBOYlvKrxrp6hl/wNMyDaC/jFkRk7zRlwKbuYZ78/8n+Bvo=; Message-ID: <804604.53917.qm@web120715.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PCJp.mgVM1kqvwF.qhn.UJWGdeqlrvNoFZN8mYUDjrH5rp9 8bONBoepYDLQTVClSSk953XLDWHtxzp8iTZaiH1nlT4Fu61TF5zGsKUVIZnY mcvfd_3CsXuOwQlNW2iVG6NKVYx9JM3rp0jcyACALNE_.CaQXiNg23z_RaQ9 EGM0MPAwUOaHXmi9B.AeNl6VC017utUGOAPBUw16d9DLg3FTwQS2OwAXxvym BrlXntJnzYA_BGLGfQDI9nWk6P4TMp27873IMLI3t3fS45u_rdHAKkKBns8z 3V8E3uIlH5fzAoVEiE3nI X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:15:22 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-728179721-1293005722=:53917" Resent-Message-ID: <1YbLwD.A.cjF.cObENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:15:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-728179721-1293005722=:53917 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii so let us in on the knowledge : handfast, the norse and the sexual maneuvre too:-) Antony ________________________________ From: Dustbunnies To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 9:10:06 AM Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice On 12/22/10 4:28 PM, "mark francombe" wrote: > > Handfast? Sorry, never heard the term? is this a sexual maneuver? You're in the land of the Norse and you've never come across that term before? ;) What: I'll bet you probably didn't keep the Yule bonfire raging until dawn either, didja?. We're damn lucky the sun made it back up again this side of the Solstice. Heathen! (whups, waitasec. those guys are farther south than there, aren't they? nevermind...) --m. --0-728179721-1293005722=:53917 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
so let us in on the knowledge : handfast, the norse and the sexual maneuvre too:-)

Antony

From: Dustbunnies <mech@m3ch.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 9:10:06 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice

On 12/22/10 4:28 PM, "mark francombe" <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Handfast? Sorry, never heard the term? is this a sexual maneuver?

You're in the land of the Norse and you've never come across that term
before?  ;)

What: I'll bet you probably didn't keep the Yule bonfire raging until dawn
either, didja?.  We're damn lucky the sun made it back up again this side of
the Solstice.  Heathen!  (whups, waitasec. those guys are farther south than
there, aren't they? nevermind...)

    --m.



--0-728179721-1293005722=:53917-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 08:32:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43A80183458; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:32:05 +0900 Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice From: Dustbunnies To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: OT: Lunar Solstice Thread-Index: AcuhsraaB5CwWowxSLy/ezrhglRn9w== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3375883933_699129" Resent-Message-ID: <2AeS6D.A.82F.RebENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:32:17 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3375883933_699129 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 12/22/10 5:15 PM, "Gareth Whittock" wrote: >> > Yes the fire saw the dawn in - and made us toast too. You could say we >> toasted the sunrise >> > though the sunrise didn't toast us.. Hey, thanks for getting us all through another year!!! :D --m. --B_3375883933_699129 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: OT: Lunar Solstice On 12/22/10 5= :15 PM, "Gareth Whittock" <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:<= BR>
> Yes the fire sa= w the dawn in - and made us toast too. You could say we toasted the sunrise =
> though the sunrise didn't toast us..

Hey, thanks for getting us all through another year!!!  :D

    --m.
 --B_3375883933_699129-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 08:34:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06B6718345A; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=3sca469rfoLOsAa5L1IZCPIRJlh3HOHncBODaumAm8A=; b=GPRLHJ7Fx959v1EecpdZcNaS1GopGugRaEsfBgrkiwPBNYgPx0r0TxUY+IJwMVSXW0 mtOUhWQ65fx2UXX+Y+MqFF1NCnI6sYFismBBsVVKeEc+B5B/rQNyOW9517xphi9APlHT Ra0NYE6h/4BaBpHsGvVDvGSFgdJX8vHOqC7NI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=H3/kNNQLauI0pJoRfa0gvk6CbgxjwM2MwADBSrWGkQ2B9dWlHAMAApXzNcpgXU2SsM lHmIMX3aaThilxwWA8wsfdSd+eQsK9LLTB7ICUPtSKD/pyP9GcLYZarwi1cVAmjeMpp8 i3XRZYW+/2Gn2e6hSQmqp+BjHuNtSF2L65W7k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <804604.53917.qm@web120715.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <804604.53917.qm@web120715.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:33:40 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BO2qAFX1ATZThVvGcEsK6jxvdkU Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549e0b6c82aa0497fb9d30 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:34:01 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30549e0b6c82aa0497fb9d30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK so now I read wikipedia... As my old Granny used to say... "Whatever next!" Actually sounds very sweet... and I certainly understand both the sentiment and the experience of doing something like that with your loved one... A Nice walk in the morning to watch the eclipse I can go with... neo-plaganistic rituals... I dunno... my wife would go for it I have no doubt, (she is a priestess in the OTO - although I think thats supposed to be secret) me.. well. I'm too er... giggly... Mark On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:15 AM, wrote: > so let us in on the knowledge : handfast, the norse and the sexual maneuvre > too:-) > > Antony > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Dustbunnies > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Wed, December 22, 2010 9:10:06 AM > *Subject:* Re: OT: Lunar Solstice > > On 12/22/10 4:28 PM, "mark francombe" wrote: > > > > Handfast? Sorry, never heard the term? is this a sexual maneuver? > > You're in the land of the Norse and you've never come across that term > before? ;) > > What: I'll bet you probably didn't keep the Yule bonfire raging until dawn > either, didja?. We're damn lucky the sun made it back up again this side > of > the Solstice. Heathen! (whups, waitasec. those guys are farther south > than > there, aren't they? nevermind...) > > --m. > > > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --20cf30549e0b6c82aa0497fb9d30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK so now I read wikipedia... As my old Granny used to say...

"= Whatever next!"

Actually sounds very sweet... and I certainly u= nderstand both the sentiment and the experience of doing something like tha= t with your loved one...

A Nice walk in the morning to watch the eclipse I can go with... neo-pl= aganistic rituals... I dunno... my wife would go for it I have no doubt, (s= he is a priestess in the OTO - although I think thats supposed to be secret= ) me.. well. I'm too er... giggly...

Mark





On Wed, Dec 22, = 2010 at 9:15 AM, <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:
so let us in on the knowledge : handfast, the norse and the sexual = maneuvre too:-)

Antony

From: Dustbunnies <mech@m3ch.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com
Sent: W= ed, December 22, 2010 9:10:06 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Sol= stice

On 12/22/10 4:28 PM, "mark francombe" <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote= :
>
> Handfast? Sorry, never heard the term? is this a sexual m= aneuver?

You're in the land of the Norse and you've never come across th= at term
before?=A0 ;)

What: I'll bet you probably didn't = keep the Yule bonfire raging until dawn
either, didja?.=A0 We're dam= n lucky the sun made it back up again this side of
the Solstice.=A0 Heathen!=A0 (whups, waitasec. those guys are farther south= than
there, aren't they? nevermind...)

=A0 =A0 --m.

<= br>




--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--20cf30549e0b6c82aa0497fb9d30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 08:34:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAD16183457; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:33:55 +0900 Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice From: Dustbunnies To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: OT: Lunar Solstice Thread-Index: Acuhsvgq7HX4rvqNRwGC+6WYUXUtvA== In-Reply-To: <804604.53917.qm@web120715.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3375884051_757551" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:34:38 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3375884051_757551 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On 12/22/10 5:15 PM, "antonyhequet@yahoo.com" wrote: >> > so let us in on the knowledge : handfast, the norse and the sexual >> > maneuvre too:-) Wikipedia is your friend.... ;) Handfasting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handfast Winter Solstice (scroll down to the parts on Yule/Jul): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwinter And I=B9ll leave the explaining of the sexual maneuvers up to Mark <*duckflee!*>.... --m. --B_3375884051_757551 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: OT: Lunar Solstice On 12/22/10 5= :15 PM, "antonyhequet@yahoo.com" <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wr= ote:

> so let us in on the knowledge : handfast, the norse= and the sexual
> maneuvre too:-)

Wikipedia is your friend....  ;)

Handfasting:

    htt= p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handfast

Winter Solstice (scroll down to the parts on Yule/Jul):

    ht= tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwinter

And I’ll leave the explaining of the sexual maneuvers up to Mark <= *duckflee!*>....

    --m.
 --B_3375884051_757551-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 10:28:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E065183458; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JgAs0iABMqfNWEejLOGiLN29ZFI5cx5tfUfC6oN5RVU=; b=BSQOIYp9314W8viWLEGzh2qHaIGI4OsIA0Dok+wKDqu1815nJUtkbtaoQ5iONii27G jOF5CGfuSiaVVLJfRilGX837/eMAWhSlqTM2BnMtmvvwn7ehbkqS0Pvou1hgQ7Pt4uL7 J9RfXPOSo1blzzWx9bv3dQr80zdA0ExVR6SK0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Hiq3C4xg5c1LXF+jTg1fbeAob6EesqZyxN+Z8lbMMRlm7t3l4uE2Kx9CCKZKY++EBF 8NE7leZpSqKQpRLqfaws6CBRAgh9VUFt5a1tkY4gEq5KTj6VbrGHRsYSnwFDM8kT4Xed +FYGt602OX5Rz+/myrYvqDLqEuZ1YAGO3QGkY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <25463.30034.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:28:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Triggering Ableton clips via a MIDI track From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:28:55 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Norman Thibodeau wrote: > What I'm wondering is what exactly Zoe Keating does to "make a controller talk." Not sure what that might mean, I'm afraid. But anyway here's to recapture the "Ableton MIDI Clip Control" tip I shared with this list - and especially with Zoe, since she posted the question - some years ago: The idea is to use your external control gear (pedals, buttons etc) to trigger MIDI sequences or MIDI loops in Ableton Live. These MIDI sequences/loops hold MIDI data that are sent out as MIDI events into the system (on a Mac you use the Core MIDI IAC Bus and on a Windows box you install MIDI Yoke to create "internal MIDI channels"). Now, when these MIDI events come back into the application (Ableton Live) you have to set up Live to react to them. I do this by Live's MIDI Learn process. You may want the incoming events to fire off audio clips or change the status of a looper or initiate just about any process in Live. In order to set it up you need to know how the following three things work (described in manuals etc): - MIDI (knowing what MIDI is and how it works, the actual protocol that is). - IAC Bus in OS X (set it up on your Mac at "Applications > Utilities > Audio MIDI Setup.app > Show MIDI Window"). - MIDI routing in Ableton Live (both in the preferences and by track assignment in the Session View/mixer). > > For instance, I was wondering whether I was missing something in the Ableton MIDI preferences. Hard to tell... could be something else as well. You might have missed to set the input and output slots of some Live MIDI Track channel needed to deliver the data. Or simply defined the wrong MIDI channel. What you should do is to first make sure you know about the three areas mentioned above, then you trouble shoot your set up by following the control signal. From the foot pedal that sends the first MIDI event into Live's MIDI preferences, into whatever MIDI tracks you've set up to route the MIDI signal, into the MIDI control assignment system (the "MIDI learn" stuff) etc etc. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 13:30:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56F56183459; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D11FE8D.3@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:35:09 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: (OT) Yamaha Pro Mix 01: How to interface? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:30:46 +0000 (UTC) As part of another deal, I just ended up with a dirt cheap 1995 Yamaha Pro Mix 01 16 track digital mixer in very good shape. Any ideas on how to interface? - if it makes financial sense at all.. Please note that this is for my home non-pro project studio ;) Briefly on interfacing specs: Analog inputs, analog outputs, S/PDIF out (no wordclock) Having S/PDIF outs of course means I can hook it up to a DAW for transferring the stereo mix-down directly digital. However, having only analog inputs means I'll need some 16-channel DA converter. A search reveals an older Creamware A16 could be an affordable option. I did a more detailed post about this over at: http://www.adadepot.com/forum/index.php/topic,12511.new.html#new -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 13:41:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46423183466; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293025270; bh=/Wh34O/BKfnhxqRD1yzjOfQbmP0xK1xItMg7W7klBy4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1nj0bxsIG0Cz/xe5rYFC0TLQ3iCD8++cMExorNe1duUsEaTu9J9dlLXcRud2cperg9tjrjmFNax3iQ0xUGFF1yfCcPgVMpWhJOWVCTQ1TaxnyD8SSXoFqPLCvQ6sY2AMvkqGaVY0tlINfI3KtyXuLMN2TW7K/vkXg5O4c+f/Mgg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=x3An056B7bxKoCS5nyZnQAIByTjsiZV8Dsg2BW6sYv2BUiuBU3Ob/VtwIlkH1pX5zn7S0PFX5M/qW2lF2XHWNzrZbpI0sS5MwpSYonSb68hOYeUf7/itweovSDHiErx6NIn4csb8ACXdfeUMHxa4ZDkdmzklA+nSNwnagjTDkWw=; Message-ID: <631110.21248.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: NmLg9RAVM1kIhQ76szYuM8947eUhKYL.q_xxA39fkP_8JGA Mt2XF3HkQ8FeNKXgKJ9YIzGEnIRjOXwP2EEFew88zKCeqquddBV53g3tzCsI m1.nExQSmNkr8UH.15ITr1QWV53b9pZTt3nXEVFR07kqt.uivccOgRqXiPoz zQMT7VTFU6O2kSqj0a_WGl1NgPnPB0..noYU.QvxkEa0_pX39tGfQ0nbYDjT .oaOduAa2GLd2IdalrwkD7TgyEYXf7eQz3MG7MXC_sMUYOaeqmnF.Niug6mb zaUKCrqHmzO5a X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <4D11FE8D.3@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 05:41:10 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (OT) Yamaha Pro Mix 01: How to interface? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D11FE8D.3@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-563121812-1293025270=:21248" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:41:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-563121812-1293025270=:21248 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii doesn't that thing have firewire mLAN? Antony ________________________________ From: van Sinn To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 2:35:09 PM Subject: (OT) Yamaha Pro Mix 01: How to interface? As part of another deal, I just ended up with a dirt cheap 1995 Yamaha Pro Mix 01 16 track digital mixer in very good shape. Any ideas on how to interface? - if it makes financial sense at all.. Please note that this is for my home non-pro project studio ;) Briefly on interfacing specs: Analog inputs, analog outputs, S/PDIF out (no wordclock) Having S/PDIF outs of course means I can hook it up to a DAW for transferring the stereo mix-down directly digital. However, having only analog inputs means I'll need some 16-channel DA converter. A search reveals an older Creamware A16 could be an affordable option. I did a more detailed post about this over at: http://www.adadepot.com/forum/index.php/topic,12511.new.html#new -- rgds, van Sinn --0-563121812-1293025270=:21248 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
doesn't that thing have firewire mLAN?

Antony

From: van Sinn <vansinn@post.cybercity.dk>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 2:35:09 PM
Subject: (OT) Yamaha Pro Mix 01: How to interface?

As part of another deal, I just ended up with a dirt cheap 1995 Yamaha Pro Mix 01 16 track digital mixer in very good shape.

Any ideas on how to interface? - if it makes financial sense at all..
Please note that this is for my home non-pro project studio ;)


Briefly on interfacing specs:
Analog inputs, analog outputs, S/PDIF out (no wordclock)

Having S/PDIF outs of course means I can hook it up to a DAW for transferring the stereo mix-down directly digital.
However, having only analog inputs means I'll need some 16-channel DA converter.
A search reveals an older Creamware A16 could be an affordable option.

I did a more detailed post about this over at:
  http://www.adadepot.com/forum/index.php/topic,12511.new.html#new


-- rgds,
van Sinn


--0-563121812-1293025270=:21248-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 13:57:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38FE6183459; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:57:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1293026239; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=l4x+36RYJ1wV54hR17Dk0KORXzQ=; b=QAcbj7EYrRhpYNB4BLcNWrK07GaclfIZb/TGD6MfQ88113dCUa4jAiHOtLqxo+bs rqxfIiElYP3fhXtaAJZDbi5D+Fn5NQG8tgRTpVPokbJHLcGlzX53gEtIQOatwVah; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=D0oAl7Z5ZH3FcS/XwM5guwkDKOIBqU4AcwEssp9FBpQ= c=1 sm=0 a=2UEKtcyJGhkA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=Y0-GIWonWMkA:10 a=72OxHSbRAAAA:8 a=VXqCdYkr-GKoX-9k5OMA:9 a=C4mEwIX3Gq1zlFXVnxoA:7 a=1wjnXg77tu5gzaXWJkpgEPT9lwcA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=0wCGZbHmzI5JDTxBYQ8A:7 a=cP5qx41mKFEmPtzUAYobD5S3-hkA:4 a=Hhc/OnKmOS1xKI2oHPQhqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:57:19 -0500 (EST) From: EDWARD YUHAS Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <847066225.515752.1293026239667.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_515751_178293970.1293026239666" X-Originating-IP: [129.139.1.68] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2213.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/6.0.5_GA_2213.RHEL4_64) Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:57:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_515751_178293970.1293026239666 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While we're on the "anti-establishment" subject, I thought I'd toss this link out there. It's for a series of books and techniques on "How to Be Invisible"...monetarily, security-wise, slip under the radar, have a 'ghost' address, live free and on the run, etc. http://www.canaryislandspress.com/ Check it out...I tell ya, there are days when I'd cash in everything but my guitar and looping rig, my cat and my music collection, take my 401k (201k now!!) and just venture around the world...probably settling in Europe (does Paris need an ambient guitarist?!), or Rotterdam, or, or...how can I make this happen??? Better yet, how NOT to be caught? Ed in NJ ------=_Part_515751_178293970.1293026239666 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

While we're on the "anti-establishment" subject, I thought I'd toss this link out there. It's for a series of books and techniques on "How to Be Invisible"...monetarily, security-wise, slip under the radar, have a 'ghost' address, live free and on the run, etc.

 

http://www.canaryislandspress.com/

 

Check it out...I tell ya, there are days when I'd cash in everything but my guitar and looping rig, my cat and my music collection, take my 401k (201k now!!) and just venture around the world...probably settling in Europe (does Paris need an ambient guitarist?!), or Rotterdam, or, or...how can I make this happen??? Better yet, how NOT to be caught?

 

Ed in NJ

------=_Part_515751_178293970.1293026239666-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 14:08:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 223CE183458; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 543845492/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.31.68/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.31.68 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgECAJeUEU1YbR9E/2dsb2JhbAAMlXHSCIVJBI4V X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,213,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="543845492" Message-ID: <4D12067F.5050106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:09:03 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Yamaha Pro Mix 01: How to interface? References: <4D11FE8D.3@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <4D11FE8D.3@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Surely there's no point in routing out of the DAW if the mixer's digital? So..my suggestion is to mix "in the box" on DAW but use the Pro Mix as a controller. andy butler van Sinn wrote: > As part of another deal, I just ended up with a dirt cheap 1995 Yamaha > Pro Mix 01 16 track digital mixer in very good shape. > > Any ideas on how to interface? - if it makes financial sense at all.. > Please note that this is for my home non-pro project studio ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 14:09:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CB1118345A; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:09:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7iTJObUzzQqy4Q5pg7B/2GnuU6jjykX7ItgaO+KhEes=; b=tv9AbuPggk15USQHx8XLw+NSFyjp+reJfry04joEA53UkmCiJHrYRwuzn04oQxmncV c6Hpcvz4oXM+vpDWYpng8XRnF8fdqVJTP8fuK9295sDTv/47bLOSsUo1/mr2A1egBE1K kxOVo/NYPwJtjTtk1YRHnG2M6Lk1/6f5Z7Jiw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=LBtKKBw7oKKYXsB6HjBneR7RcymTjQIKCbrOPp1RZAzSCDYAQhHkKcdzewLbK7sM4i V5GvJlQDvjQs7UBPDf64Ejsx1e04z7Ha/RzkB+Ydf53agNM/3vM+G8uUZDfQh54EiJXy OhE5BWde4HFVHBgVjlE92MuUDu5x5CV6accFQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <847066225.515752.1293026239667.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> References: <847066225.515752.1293026239667.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:09:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:09:20 +0000 (UTC) >> Better yet, how NOT to be caught? hint: don't broadcast your intentions on the internet. Sylvain On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:57 AM, EDWARD YUHAS wrote: > While we're on the "anti-establishment" subject, I thought I'd toss this > link out there. It's for a series of books and techniques on "How to Be > Invisible"...monetarily, security-wise, slip under the radar, have a 'ghost' > address, live free and on the run, etc. > > > > http://www.canaryislandspress.com/ > > > > Check it out...I tell ya, there are days when I'd cash in everything but my > guitar and looping rig, my cat and my music collection, take my 401k (201k > now!!) and just venture around the world...probably settling in Europe (does > Paris need an ambient guitarist?!), or Rotterdam, or, or...how can I make > this happen??? Better yet, how NOT to be caught? > > > > Ed in NJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 14:10:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE98A183459; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293027050; bh=cW0Yxln+ES601Lse6C3e5xuIxsLJSw0ppgG4dYIAe4o=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wKkLBJpcVcFZ7gi1Ap4sxy9OmI1ofcEK7Xg2FKsQNVnZiAj9GI/Cn7+WdpzQC4nFDVW1OCsZ8sjPYBtxl8zU3cXCQ30xnAzpTUOlNl62KXFPwyMoqAzH73LMRZmj722v/Yb89hoDBMZDlsFfwMwoHq+f8dikJr42MPi2H9L+x1w= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Tj+iFftCgxMuXVKm+f1HA5O96zaFPvvwseU23zYX2bW7nphwxXPofxrcU3n8wEheBVPt3dobV0pLvVf+2u6Ztd84K9AGUl0wyGOStrYe2p3ljM7mwGTg2Nch8neUqp9PY5CUGS9PYs4AMAuZqwUwJQLY9b1VMN9QUtqaBTAQNl4=; Message-ID: <567713.88899.qm@web120706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: t4ekzaYVM1kBuDgeQfQDQHyV9OyAuLp3WjJFztInljo_2RT bQoRIOq1j6hu.PjE7Z4BTyfbKlEhZQl5zgXWfb.4Y0Fcum2RHPXcBaiqyVG1 Jnfy7Cnix5Bfq4N87OPGpEJL_Il_wlawIAgTal_IhR0Ukk6xo3D8U6FpHp43 KllTbflvRSLWtfDwNdnElPjaGUuI36ASuOs1JzvKJ__6zMrOPQW3.UBWwHCW nwxmA79Q2xZExdkSqCXoNpraSZjh2ltVTx1GQ9yfzkT59HTFQB5s5F2wa6ys OCyWkDEOWVReCItStXTBK_N7d1Qw- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <847066225.515752.1293026239667.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 06:10:50 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1635595085-1293027050=:88899" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:10:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-1635595085-1293027050=:88899 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was wondering about that:-) A ________________________________ From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 3:09:18 PM Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE >> Better yet, how NOT to be caught? hint: don't broadcast your intentions on the internet. Sylvain On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:57 AM, EDWARD YUHAS wrote: > While we're on the "anti-establishment" subject, I thought I'd toss this > link out there. It's for a series of books and techniques on "How to Be > Invisible"...monetarily, security-wise, slip under the radar, have a 'ghost' > address, live free and on the run, etc. > > > > http://www.canaryislandspress.com/ > > > > Check it out...I tell ya, there are days when I'd cash in everything but my > guitar and looping rig, my cat and my music collection, take my 401k (201k > now!!) and just venture around the world...probably settling in Europe (does > Paris need an ambient guitarist?!), or Rotterdam, or, or...how can I make > this happen??? Better yet, how NOT to be caught? > > > > Ed in NJ --0-1635595085-1293027050=:88899 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I was wondering about that:-)

A

From: Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 3:09:18 PM
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE

>> Better yet, how NOT to be caught?
hint: don't broadcast your intentions on the internet.
Sylvain


On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:57 AM, EDWARD                    YUHAS
<ejyuhas@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> While we're on the "anti-establishment" subject, I thought I'd toss this
> link out there. It's for a series of books and techniques on "How to Be
> Invisible"...monetarily, security-wise, slip under the radar, have a 'ghost'
> address, live free and on the run, etc.
>
>
>
> http://www.canaryislandspress.com/
>
>
>
> Check it out...I tell ya, there are days when I'd cash in everything but my
> guitar and looping rig, my cat and my music collection, take my 401k (201k
> now!!) and just venture around the world...probably settling in Europe (does
> Paris need an ambient guitarist?!), or Rotterdam, or, or...how can I make
> this happen??? Better yet, how NOT to be caught?
>
>
>
> Ed in NJ


--0-1635595085-1293027050=:88899-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 14:30:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 093C7183458; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D120C90.6020705@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:34:56 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Yamaha Pro Mix 01: How to interface? References: <4D11FE8D.3@post.cybercity.dk> <4D12067F.5050106@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D12067F.5050106@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:30:29 +0000 (UTC) @antony: ProMix 01 was the first of the series; no firewire, mlan or expansion slots for such or ADAT.. Later models had expansion slots. @andy: Yep, been considering simply using it as a DAW controller via MIDI. Only, this seems a very bulky 70watt consumptious way of having a remote controller ;) Of course, given my very low shopping price, way less expensive than shopping one of the control pads in the market.. OTOH, if arranged in a suitable case, along with a few other things, could make double use for live recordings, with it's 16 inputs.. I guess my best bet will be either use it as a mixed DAW controller and live desk, or sell it, and replace with some dedicated DAW controller. As said, I got it dirt cheap as part of a deal, so I can resell it cheap with no losses ;) andy butler wrote: > Surely there's no point in routing out of the DAW > if the mixer's digital? > > So..my suggestion is to mix "in the box" on DAW but > use the Pro Mix as a controller. > > andy butler > > van Sinn wrote: > >> As part of another deal, I just ended up with a dirt cheap 1995 Yamaha >> Pro Mix 01 16 track digital mixer in very good shape. >> >> Any ideas on how to interface? - if it makes financial sense at all.. >> Please note that this is for my home non-pro project studio ;) -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 14:42:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B412C183461; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49EC05E33EE9422091FC583E3B343108@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <847066225.515752.1293026239667.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> <567713.88899.qm@web120706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <567713.88899.qm@web120706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:42:20 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CBA1E6.70256500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CBA1E6.70256500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BFMan! I had a friend waaay back in the 80s who used to hawk at = me nearly endlessly about how You Have To Live In The Cash Society! No = checks, no cards, just cash. He had to bend his own rules a little when = he=E2=80=99d get paid in check from the company we worked for, and it = was via the W2/1099 form bit that he got nicked by der taxman, I = suspect. Something like 10 grand in dodged taxes, he admitted to me. Best tax-oriented rules I know: 1. Keep yer nose clean. The system doesn=E2=80=99t work for YOU. 2. If you really owe someone money, bloody PAY THEM. Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net http://www.earthlight.tv * Sent from a PC, not an iPhone From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 2:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE I was wondering about that:-) A -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 3:09:18 PM Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE >> Better yet, how NOT to be caught? hint: don't broadcast your intentions on the internet. Sylvain On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:57 AM, EDWARD YUHAS wrote: > While we're on the "anti-establishment" subject, I thought I'd toss = this > link out there. It's for a series of books and techniques on "How to = Be > Invisible"...monetarily, security-wise, slip under the radar, have a = 'ghost' > address, live free and on the run, etc. > > > > http://www.canaryislandspress.com/ > > > > Check it out...I tell ya, there are days when I'd cash in everything = but my > guitar and looping rig, my cat and my music collection, take my 401k = (201k > now!!) and just venture around the world...probably settling in Europe = (does > Paris need an ambient guitarist?!), or Rotterdam, or, or...how can I = make > this happen??? Better yet, how NOT to be caught? > > > > Ed in NJ ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CBA1E6.70256500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Man!  I had a friend waaay back in the 80s who used to hawk at = me=20 nearly endlessly about how You Have To Live In The Cash Society!  = No=20 checks, no cards, just cash.  He had to bend his own rules a little = when=20 he=E2=80=99d get paid in check from the company we worked for, and it = was via the=20 W2/1099 form bit that he got nicked by der taxman, I suspect.  = Something=20 like 10 grand in dodged taxes, he admitted to me.
 
Best tax-oriented rules I know:
 
1. Keep yer nose clean.  The system doesn=E2=80=99t work for = YOU.
2. If you really owe someone money, bloody PAY THEM.
 
Stephen=20 Goodman
EarthLight=20 Productions
*
http://www.earthlight.net
http://www.earthlight.tv=
*
Sent=20 from a PC, not an iPhone
 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA = CULTURE
 
I was wondering about that:-)
 
A
 
From: Sylvain Poitras=20 <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com>
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 = 3:09:18=20 PM
Subject: Re: (OT) = REJECTING=20 MASS MEDIA CULTURE

>> Better yet, how NOT to be=20 caught?
hint: don't broadcast your intentions on the=20 internet.
Sylvain


On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:57 AM,=20 EDWARD           &= nbsp;       =20 YUHAS
<ejyuhas@embarqmail.com> = wrote:
> While we're on the "anti-establishment" subject, I = thought I'd=20 toss this
> link out there. It's for a series of books and = techniques on=20 "How to Be
> Invisible"...monetarily, security-wise, slip under = the radar,=20 have a 'ghost'
> address, live free and on the run,=20 etc.
>
>
>
> http://www.canaryislandspress.com/
>
= >
>
>=20 Check it out...I tell ya, there are days when I'd cash in everything but = my
> guitar and looping rig, my cat and my music collection, take = my 401k=20 (201k
> now!!) and just venture around the world...probably = settling in=20 Europe (does
> Paris need an ambient guitarist?!), or Rotterdam, = or,=20 or...how can I make
> this happen??? Better yet, how NOT to be=20 caught?
>
>
>
> Ed in NJ

 
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CBA1E6.70256500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 15:18:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F223183455; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1216A0.9000706@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:17:52 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark francombe CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: the 60's References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:18:00 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: > The absolute joy and freedom that I felt as a young radical anarchist > (If only I had known what that meant) was something that I cannot > report as being negative in anyway. Questions we were asking, were the > exact same questions that the hippy movement were asking 10 to 12 > years earlier, just that we chose aggression and chaos to rebel, where > the hippys used free sex and drugs. (Note I don't use the terms peace > and love here... we had that too!!!) Yeah, come to think of it, you are right, Mark. I , too , remember the early punk days and the joy there was in being angry and creative and just letting it out. I missed the Rave culture entirely because I was doing world fusion music for almost 20 years before I reentered pop music at the turn of the millenium, but that's an amazing story about the DJ and the track, Killer. thanks for the perspective and the cool story. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 15:53:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0748F183459; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:53:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IEdpZyBTcMOkbTogMjAxMCdzIGxhc3QgTW9pblNv?= =?utf-8?B?dW5kIFN0dWRpbyBTZXNzaW9ucyAtIHRoaXMgU2F0dXI=?= =?utf-8?B?ZGF5IDE4dGgsIDE2MDAgVVRD?= References: <4D0B8528.7000700@googlemail.com> From: "Andy Owens" thread-topic: Gig Späm: 2010's last MoinSound Studio Sessions - this Saturday 18th, 1600 UTC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-2--954155959"; charset="iso-8859-1" thread-index: Acuh8Fmj4gwCdf6RSbWunXXDuaSjsg== In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <33F83587-60CF-4FE5-8955-9B7482B1DEED@1800dialword.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:52:19 -0500 To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2010 15:53:40.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[675B70E0:01CBA1F0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:53:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--954155959 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Matt, Andy Owens here. Is the Cafe Noodle a live thing? Connect how? Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 17, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Matt Stevens = wrote: > Rainer I will embed this on www.cafenoodle.ning.com as well >=20 > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 17 Dec 2010, at 15:43, Rainer Straschill wrote: >=20 >> Tomorrow will see the last MoinSound Studio Session for this year. >>=20 >> Simply go to >> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions >> or via >> http://moinlabs.de >>=20 >> and tune in for roughly an hour of looping fun. The focus tomorrow will b= e on very minimalistic, very abstract, very soft noise (whatever that means)= . >> Date/Time: >> Saturday December 18th, 16:00 UTC >> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3D18&month=3D12&year= =3D2010&hour=3D17&min=3D0&sec=3D0&p1=3D83 >>=20 >> Ever since the start of this event series in April 2009, I've been doing b= y-weekly video transmissions of (mostly solo) concerts - plus a few "special= events" like last year's "Virtual Sound and Vision Festival" (http://moinla= bs.de/index.php?id=3D229) and a week-long series of performances called "An A= mbient Manifold" in January this year (http://mysp.ac/hPYRJy). By the end of= last year, I did already release an album compilation available for pay-wha= t-you-want download from bandcamp (http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=3D282). >>=20 >> If my count is correct (which I'm not sure it is), tomorrow will be the 5= 2nd performance in this series - most of them are archived here: >> http://www.ustream.tv/user/moinlabs/videos >>=20 >> I'd like to take the opportunity to say thanks to everyone who had in the= past listened in or downloaded the album. And if you didn't do that yet - t= omorrow is the perfect opportunity to do so! >>=20 >> See you there, >>=20 >> Rainer >>=20 >> ps: The best idea really is to follow me on twitter (see below) for last-= minute reminders etc. >>=20 >> --=20 >> http://moinlabs.de >> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-2--954155959 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 PGh0bWw+PGJvZHkgYmdjb2xvcj0iI0ZGRkZGRiI+PGRpdj5IaSBNYXR0LCBBbmR5IE93ZW5zIGhl cmUuIElzIHRoZSBDYWZlIE5vb2RsZSBhIGxpdmUgdGhpbmc/IENvbm5lY3QgaG93Pzxicj48YnI+ QW5keSBPd2VuczxkaXY+MS04MDAtQW5keU93ZW5zPC9kaXY+PGRpdj5TZW50IGZyb20gbXkgaVBo b25lPGRpdj5TbyB0aGUgdHlwaW5nIG1pZ2h0IG5vdCBiZSBteSBiZXN0ITwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGJy PjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGJyPk9uIERlYyAxNywgMjAxMCwgYXQgMTo0NSBQTSwg TWF0dCBTdGV2ZW5zICZsdDs8YSBocmVmPSJtYWlsdG86bWF0dHN0ZXZlbnNndWl0YXJAYnRpbnRl cm5ldC5jb20iPm1hdHRzdGV2ZW5zZ3VpdGFyQGJ0aW50ZXJuZXQuY29tPC9hPiZndDsgd3JvdGU6 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thread-index: Acuh8HUfSFzhRWfRR5WkMv2xqosSbQ== In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <61F8574F-E172-4B9C-A170-8B4AC66F68DC@1800dialword.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:52:49 -0500 To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2010 15:54:42.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C30EA30:01CBA1F0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:54:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--954125779 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Connect how as a performer I mean.=20 Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 17, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Matt Stevens = wrote: > Rainer I will embed this on www.cafenoodle.ning.com as well >=20 > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 17 Dec 2010, at 15:43, Rainer Straschill wrote: >=20 >> Tomorrow will see the last MoinSound Studio Session for this year. >>=20 >> Simply go to >> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions >> or via >> http://moinlabs.de >>=20 >> and tune in for roughly an hour of looping fun. The focus tomorrow will b= e on very minimalistic, very abstract, very soft noise (whatever that means)= . >> Date/Time: >> Saturday December 18th, 16:00 UTC >> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3D18&month=3D12&year= =3D2010&hour=3D17&min=3D0&sec=3D0&p1=3D83 >>=20 >> Ever since the start of this event series in April 2009, I've been doing b= y-weekly video transmissions of (mostly solo) concerts - plus a few "special= events" like last year's "Virtual Sound and Vision Festival" (http://moinla= bs.de/index.php?id=3D229) and a week-long series of performances called "An A= mbient Manifold" in January this year (http://mysp.ac/hPYRJy). By the end of= last year, I did already release an album compilation available for pay-wha= t-you-want download from bandcamp (http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=3D282). >>=20 >> If my count is correct (which I'm not sure it is), tomorrow will be the 5= 2nd performance in this series - most of them are archived here: >> http://www.ustream.tv/user/moinlabs/videos >>=20 >> I'd like to take the opportunity to say thanks to everyone who had in the= past listened in or downloaded the album. And if you didn't do that yet - t= omorrow is the perfect opportunity to do so! >>=20 >> See you there, >>=20 >> Rainer >>=20 >> ps: The best idea really is to follow me on twitter (see below) for last-= minute reminders etc. >>=20 >> --=20 >> http://moinlabs.de >> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-3--954125779 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 PGh0bWw+PGJvZHkgYmdjb2xvcj0iI0ZGRkZGRiI+PGRpdj5Db25uZWN0IGhvdyBhcyBhIHBlcmZv cm1lciBJIG1lYW4uJm5ic3A7PGJyPjxicj5BbmR5IE93ZW5zPGRpdj4xLTgwMC1BbmR5T3dlbnM8 L2Rpdj48ZGl2PlNlbnQgZnJvbSBteSBpUGhvbmU8ZGl2PlNvIHRoZSB0eXBpbmcgbWlnaHQgbm90 IGJlIG15IGJlc3QhPC9kaXY+PGRpdj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PC9kaXY+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj48YnI+T24g RGVjIDE3LCAyMDEwLCBhdCAxOjQ1IFBNLCBNYXR0IFN0ZXZlbnMgJmx0OzxhIGhyZWY9Im1haWx0 bzptYXR0c3RldmVuc2d1aXRhckBidGludGVybmV0LmNvbSI+bWF0dHN0ZXZlbnNndWl0YXJAYnRp bnRlcm5ldC5jb208L2E+Jmd0OyB3cm90ZTo8YnI+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PC9kaXY+PGJsb2Nr 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Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:13:09 +0000 (UTC) coincidentally the central of the most important telephone company of = Salvador cought fire ! credit cards stopped working... On 21 Dec 2010, at 20:55, Stephen Goodman wrote: > ?From: Revfever >> Whoa! I did not realize that last night's lunar eclipse coincided = with Winter Solstice (21st) and is something that has not happened in = something like TWO THOUSAND YEARS! That gives me some wonderful = CHILLS... >=20 > 1638 to be precise. >=20 > = http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/21/winter-solstice-delivers-lunar-eclipse/?= icid=3Dmaing%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk5%7C32575=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 16:15:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1250B183459; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 549636980/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.31.68/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.31.68 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgECAKSyEU1YbR9E/2dsb2JhbAAMlXHSRoVJBI4V X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,214,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="549636980" Message-ID: <4D12245B.6000106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:16:27 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mailing list archives not working. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1uvK2B.A.aZ.8QiENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:15:56 +0000 (UTC) The LD archives haven't worked for a while now. 0 hits for anything. ..but another way to search the archive is to use google Use Google advanced search just on www.loopersdelight.com, or type " site:www.loopersdelight.com " after the seach term. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 17:13:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80D31183461; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 72380.8838.bm@omp1030.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293038002; bh=+D/KxK9zmLgtsh8cKe1U8hsROPb19Kn4o58bS54+jSI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kJGAlZX/Iuslz+Ttx7qznseJxbHHg0tVexydewVv8u5BL5yYAv4V9/ZR2B4OXm1HTLw0kjhFtuMqx6zQCA04GNbOZCOeCEqH+4d9xpaTa5ZPC5cdmUNcZ2S7Nngyw68LakS2dC4YMMiam3UZmB7KRwan7N03UJ5swfZJamxpPSQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OBOs89xMkbMAd/h6loW9C51waUZhf2YEscPLMwjnFAWMjN47up6yWC0rVGsrMfrYcZLYKeIyStTSR5JklN+TjD8BRApT+sYcSqykYxf5dYFXBTsLapVfqTuDy8mQtxpkjE8Akl/COkNHKvkOZ/QjrOeTdsZUKQ2TZ3rDzwTxqgc=; Message-ID: <907341.42767.qm@web59711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qNDb3YgVM1mn_n5GHmBnj3ydIY4wB2Cm8Iv09JBUrDvprXJ ADlqdBr2y.HWQUnSVj5b397er4SNmGmN322YoDda6.rbbZ8NsyCrPvPVr_ik qYkEW2HK3yWnEVkuv8P_ukc9v4pscacpsscQyBghuvCHSAolmC8mN40N_mSD 1j88eGWgPhIE_L46u85zMt60RNZTjEeXWtBtjJ7Q0eXENri3egb8IowmQzbZ DgkKUvRo7bShr4bIeXbLWtratvJor702sdYRIWw0pJvzJwJyNF.kczKP_Djn hKd8.la0Nk9RqlmHACDS1yrihrGsEYqCnVDZfRocQy6d32FoA2g-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <20101221083353.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.98943e34ac.wbe@email00.secureserver.net>,<4D11130A.5050807@boomerangmusic.com>, Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:13:22 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Wellington Subject: Amazon and Wikileaks. WAS: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-574966018-1293038002=:42767" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:13:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-574966018-1293038002=:42767 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0A> I personally wouldn't buy from Amazon again after they tried to cur= tail free =0A>speech by censoring the wikileaks websites that used their se= rvers.=0A=0ASome people call it free speech, some would call it receiving a= nd disseminating =0Astolen property. Just sayin...=0A=0APut a different wa= y, would you boycott Amazon if they shut down a site that was =0Agiving awa= y cracked software, MP3s of commercial music, or downloads of =0Acommercial= movies?=0A=0A(I don't work for Amazon and I have no stake in Amazon other = than being a fairly =0Aregular customer.)=0A=0A=0A --0-574966018-1293038002=:42767 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> I personally wouldn't buy = from Amazon again after they tried to curtail free speech by censoring the = wikileaks websites that used their servers.

Some people cal= l it free speech, some would call it receiving and disseminating stolen pro= perty. =A0Just sayin...

Put a different way, w= ould you boycott Amazon if they shut down a site that was giving away crack= ed software, MP3s of commercial music, or downloads of commercial movies?

(I don't work for Amazon and I have n= o stake in Amazon other than being a fairly regular customer.)
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=0A=0A --0-574966018-1293038002=:42767-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 17:19:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BB48183466; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OhlyYNtprmpm2O7cwN71J+pINaQOovQInduR3+l6iP8JqjmmmbH2tVZ/l4053mwg; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <907341.42767.qm@web59711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <20101221083353.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.98943e34ac.wbe@email00.se cureserver.net>,<4D11130A.5050807@boomerangmusic.com>, <907341.42767.qm@web59711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:19:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Amazon and Wikileaks. WAS: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79740f93331790bab88b8550a4ff23b0f2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Fuck Amazon. > > I personally wouldn't buy from Amazon again after they tried to >curtail free speech by censoring the wikileaks websites that used >their servers. > >Some people call it free speech, some would call it receiving and >disseminating stolen property. Just sayin... > >Put a different way, would you boycott Amazon if they shut down a >site that was giving away cracked software, MP3s of commercial >music, or downloads of commercial movies? > >(I don't work for Amazon and I have no stake in Amazon other than >being a fairly regular customer.) -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 18:02:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 668FC183475; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <736C0B5E889045919AE8191228584DF6@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20101221083353.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.98943e34ac.wbe@email00.secureserver.net>,<4D11130A.5050807@boomerangmusic.com>, <907341.42767.qm@web59711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <907341.42767.qm@web59711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Amazon and Wikileaks. WAS: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:03:20 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01CBA202.845B6E90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:02:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CBA202.845B6E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ?Agreed, Doug. From: Doug Wellington=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Amazon and Wikileaks. WAS: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included = in Price > I personally wouldn't buy from Amazon again after they tried to = curtail free speech by censoring the wikileaks websites that used their = servers. Some people call it free speech, some would call it receiving and = disseminating stolen property. Just sayin... Put a different way, would you boycott Amazon if they shut down a site = that was giving away cracked software, MP3s of commercial music, or = downloads of commercial movies? (I don't work for Amazon and I have no stake in Amazon other than being = a fairly regular customer.) ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CBA202.845B6E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Agreed, Doug.
 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:13 PM
Subject: Amazon and Wikileaks. WAS: Boomerang Power Supply = Not=20 Included in Price
 
 
>=20 I personally wouldn't buy from Amazon again after they tried to curtail = free=20 speech by censoring the wikileaks websites that used their = servers.

Some=20 people call it free speech, some would call it receiving and = disseminating=20 stolen property.  Just sayin...
  Put=20 a different way, would you boycott Amazon if they shut down a site that = was=20 giving away cracked software, MP3s of commercial music, or downloads of=20 commercial movies?   (I=20 don't work for Amazon and I have no stake in Amazon other than being a = fairly=20 regular customer.)
 
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CBA202.845B6E90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 18:26:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD45B183477; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8b94b2c9-5aed-45d9-bed9-0af27deaadf6_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Amazon and Wikileaks. WAS: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:26:23 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20101221083353.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.98943e34ac.wbe@email00.se,cureserver.net>,<4D11130A.5050807@boomerangmusic.com>,,,<907341.42767.qm@web59711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2010 18:26:23.0795 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCE68030:01CBA205] Resent-Message-ID: <9dptw.A.vsD.RLkENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:26:25 +0000 (UTC) --_8b94b2c9-5aed-45d9-bed9-0af27deaadf6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is much bigger than that. It's about freedom of information. If govern= ment lies are stolen property then steal them I say. Peace G p.s.=20 No law has been broken by wikileaks and yet we have semator Lieberman calli= ng for the New York Times to be investigated.. Bully boy tactics if ever I heard one.. > Date: Wed=2C 22 Dec 2010 12:19:14 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > From: cazwicky@earthlink.net > Subject: Re: Amazon and Wikileaks. WAS: Boomerang Power Supply Not Inclu= ded in Price >=20 > Fuck Amazon. >=20 > > > I personally wouldn't buy from Amazon again after they tried to=20 > >curtail free speech by censoring the wikileaks websites that used=20 > >their servers. > > > >Some people call it free speech=2C some would call it receiving and=20 > >disseminating stolen property. Just sayin... > > > >Put a different way=2C would you boycott Amazon if they shut down a=20 > >site that was giving away cracked software=2C MP3s of commercial=20 > >music=2C or downloads of commercial movies? > > > >(I don't work for Amazon and I have no stake in Amazon other than=20 > >being a fairly regular customer.) >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > ... > http://www.zmix.net >=20 > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky >=20 > http://albumcredits.com/zmix >=20 = --_8b94b2c9-5aed-45d9-bed9-0af27deaadf6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is much bigger than that. It's about freedom of information. If govern= ment lies are stolen property then steal them I say.

Peace

G<= br>
p.s.
No law has been broken by wikileaks and yet we have semator= Lieberman calling for the New York Times to be investigated..
Bully boy tactics if ever I heard one..



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>=3B From: cazwicky@earthlink.net
>=3B Subject: Re: Amazon and = Wikileaks. WAS: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price
>=3B >=3B Fuck Amazon.
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= --_8b94b2c9-5aed-45d9-bed9-0af27deaadf6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 19:01:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CC96183475; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=T30R7ODOoafb/ONhPTqykXGQuFxt+kXNnkyFFQjglw6BTN1QZQJzGWZjrPnffXyZ; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20101221083353.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.98943e34ac.wbe@email00.s e,cureserver.net>,<4D11130A.5050807@boomerangmusic.com>,,,<907341.42767.qm@web59711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>, Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:01:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: RE: Amazon and Wikileaks. WAS: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794d15499151ef5661200529aa8764c284350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Word... >This is much bigger than that. It's about freedom of information. If >government lies are stolen property then steal them I say. > >Peace > >G > >p.s. >No law has been broken by wikileaks and yet we have semator >Lieberman calling for the New York Times to be investigated.. >Bully boy tactics if ever I heard one.. > > > >> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:19:14 -0500 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> From: cazwicky@earthlink.net >> Subject: Re: Amazon and Wikileaks. WAS: Boomerang Power Supply Not >>Included in Price >> >> Fuck Amazon. >> >> > > I personally wouldn't buy from Amazon again after they tried to >> >curtail free speech by censoring the wikileaks websites that used >> >their servers. >> > >> >Some people call it free speech, some would call it receiving and >> >disseminating stolen property. Just sayin... >> > >> >Put a different way, would you boycott Amazon if they shut down a >> >site that was giving away cracked software, MP3s of commercial >> >music, or downloads of commercial movies? >> > >> >(I don't work for Amazon and I have no stake in Amazon other than >> >being a fairly regular customer.) >> >> >> -- >> >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >> >> http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky >> >> http://albumcredits.com/zmix >> > -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 19:15:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BD8D183479; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <95352719C497485E9C15F2C193CB6A53@ELUK1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A10BF77-0DC1-4980-B5CD-7D18B5FA18D7@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:15:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=6.0 tests=RDNS_NONE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on host.newworlddelivery.com Resent-Message-ID: <5ZANXD.A.z3E.V5kENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Also, the computers in the offices at the food co-op I am a member of were acting a little weird yesterday. (21st Solstice) "Coincidence"? (Or.......?) Rice Krispies, Rev. Fever On Dec 22, 2010, at 8:13 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > coincidentally the central of the most important telephone company > of Salvador cought fire ! > credit cards stopped working... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 19:22:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 934E618347B; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <95352719C497485E9C15F2C193CB6A53@ELUK1> <3A10BF77-0DC1-4980-B5CD-7D18B5FA18D7@ubergadget.com> In-Reply-To: <3A10BF77-0DC1-4980-B5CD-7D18B5FA18D7@ubergadget.com> Subject: Re: Lunar Solstice Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:22:40 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: <4dkrD.A.rCF.p_kENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:22:18 +0000 (UTC) ?Power surges are not often but do happen during winter months. Check the BIOS - sometimes just burning the current image works just fine with this kind of problem. -----Original Message----- From: Revfever Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice Also, the computers in the offices at the food co-op I am a member of were acting a little weird yesterday. (21st Solstice) "Coincidence"? (Or.......?) Rice Krispies, Rev. Fever On Dec 22, 2010, at 8:13 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > coincidentally the central of the most important telephone company of > Salvador cought fire ! > credit cards stopped working... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 20:05:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E39018347D; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 915130.26756.bm@omp1004.mail.ird.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=bAv+66W6IAdsWvzEI1Hx+rhIDjJgfDIhvxCTF09WLebJPUEitLmr/U75LWenWDRfhLyf+jGOw73XBaV3TK7DzmYmM1bZHsdQ+aZxFWRl1JG7latfcdqMH4tUR6zxtuwtBhzMTnsM4jylNq/QGqf+t7vSpBWAVO7lERVMmMZ5uT0= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1293048344; bh=RGs2lyHDKD1+KVnQ3AglDIjAtVcoWzG+p+Atnd1K9Mo=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=zAcwbtFrJ2r3wYWYIY0++snIn/qncyB4agzAHgnqMW9x/o32RDavFmdaIai/v2Ce0a2k7aIr+5VBQwPK1DNHJhxze6P+cDw7zzg2XlCLk5V7Kjpjk4aSA8CLMOYVfrg0quQbTuqMI+zKt19oguOCfSTza9Npv6gM/7VxENPdTVM= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: ZJKd4h8VM1nDtoIKh8KXp5jcUGdO6o3EcUNcyp5LiMzqcE2 HJeE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <33F83587-60CF-4FE5-8955-9B7482B1DEED@1800dialword.com> References: <4D0B8528.7000700@googlemail.com> <33F83587-60CF-4FE5-8955-9B7482B1DEED@1800dialword.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15--938964292 Message-Id: <013F47BF-D9A8-4238-9EAC-7A43E3CDF491@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Gig_Sp=E4m:_2010's_last_MoinSound_Studio_Sess?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ions_-_this_Saturday_18th,_1600_UTC?= Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:05:31 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:05:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-15--938964292 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Its done thru a ustream embed - would be awesome to have you play Andy :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 22 Dec 2010, at 15:52, Andy Owens wrote: > Hi Matt, Andy Owens here. Is the Cafe Noodle a live thing? Connect > how? > > Andy Owens > 1-800-AndyOwens > Sent from my iPhone > So the typing might not be my best! > > > On Dec 17, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Matt Stevens > wrote: > >> Rainer I will embed this on www.cafenoodle.ning.com as well >> >> Matt Stevens >> www.mattstevensguitar.com >> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >> >> >> >> >> On 17 Dec 2010, at 15:43, Rainer Straschill wrote: >> >>> Tomorrow will see the last MoinSound Studio Session for this year. >>> >>> Simply go to >>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions >>> or via >>> http://moinlabs.de >>> >>> and tune in for roughly an hour of looping fun. The focus >>> tomorrow will be on very minimalistic, very abstract, very soft >>> noise (whatever that means). >>> Date/Time: >>> Saturday December 18th, 16:00 UTC >>> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html? >>> day=18&month=12&year=2010&hour=17&min=0&sec=0&p1=83 >>> >>> Ever since the start of this event series in April 2009, I've >>> been doing by-weekly video transmissions of (mostly solo) >>> concerts - plus a few "special events" like last year's "Virtual >>> Sound and Vision Festival" (http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=229) >>> and a week-long series of performances called "An Ambient >>> Manifold" in January this year (http://mysp.ac/hPYRJy). By the >>> end of last year, I did already release an album compilation >>> available for pay-what-you-want download from bandcamp (http:// >>> moinlabs.de/index.php?id=282). >>> >>> If my count is correct (which I'm not sure it is), tomorrow will >>> be the 52nd performance in this series - most of them are >>> archived here: >>> http://www.ustream.tv/user/moinlabs/videos >>> >>> I'd like to take the opportunity to say thanks to everyone who >>> had in the past listened in or downloaded the album. And if you >>> didn't do that yet - tomorrow is the perfect opportunity to do so! >>> >>> See you there, >>> >>> Rainer >>> >>> ps: The best idea really is to follow me on twitter (see below) >>> for last-minute reminders etc. >>> >>> -- >>> http://moinlabs.de >>> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >>> >> --Apple-Mail-15--938964292 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Its done thru a ustream embed - would be awesome to have you play Andy = :)

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 22 Dec 2010, = at 15:52, Andy Owens wrote:

Hi = Matt, Andy Owens here. Is the Cafe Noodle a live thing? Connect = how?

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my = iPhone
So the typing might not be my = best!


On Dec 17, 2010, at 1:45 = PM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com> wrote:

Rainer I will embed this on www.cafenoodle.ning.com as = well

Matt Stevens

On 17 Dec 2010, = at 15:43, Rainer Straschill wrote:

Tomorrow will see the last MoinSound Studio Session = for this year.

Simply go to
<= a = href=3D"http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions">http:= //www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions
or via

and tune = in for roughly an hour of looping fun. The focus tomorrow will be on = very minimalistic, very abstract, very soft noise (whatever that = means).
Date/Time:
Saturday December 18th, 16:00 UTC
=

Ever = since the start of this event series in April 2009, I've been doing = by-weekly video transmissions of (mostly solo) concerts - plus a few = "special events" like last year's "Virtual Sound and Vision Festival" = (http://moinlabs.de/index.ph= p?id=3D229) and a week-long series of performances called "An = Ambient Manifold" in January this year (http://mysp.ac/hPYRJy). By the end of = last year, I did already release an album compilation available for = pay-what-you-want download from bandcamp (http://moinlabs.de/index.ph= p?id=3D282).

If my count is correct (which I'm not sure it is), = tomorrow will be the 52nd performance in this series - most of them are = archived here:

I'd like to take the opportunity = to say thanks to everyone who had in the past listened in or downloaded = the album. And if you didn't do that yet - tomorrow is the perfect = opportunity to do so!
See you there,

         = Rainer

ps: The best idea really is to follow me on twitter = (see below) for last-minute reminders etc.

-- 
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs
=

=


= --Apple-Mail-15--938964292-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 20:33:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BE7D18347F; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:33:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5252 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:33:14 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Nc+WDgy39gxVZ6Ox3soPaivEtl4LxayfpXs0EtNLz4M= c=1 sm=1 a=O2pNW+xQ8N7p3YL6Ga2LLA==:17 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=d_SK78UpqPT5qkSkigwA:9 a=DQ1_SXBPJMoIuO6HwSUA:7 a=PT1y0lbztsjjqvt-6wVdrpn_E0wA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=GLOCET2H8g_4IdMoyIMA:7 a=nWQ65GGAmdBV2et4v-6MQZnCvPYA:4 a=O2pNW+xQ8N7p3YL6Ga2LLA==:117 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--942561946 Subject: Re: the 60's Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:05:34 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4D1216A0.9000706@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4D1216A0.9000706@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <883E4AEF-2206-42C7-9FED-D30FFBAFCFC6@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:33:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--942561946 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well... the hippies also used hard core civil disobedience to express = our anger! It was a thrilling time.=20 The free love and drugs was just a bonus for some of us. For some it = was the core of the experience. They're the ones who went on to Wall = Street and commerce. Truth is, they missed the most glorious boat of the = time.=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Dec 22, 2010, at 7:17 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: >> The absolute joy and freedom that I felt as a young radical anarchist = (If only I had known what that meant) was something that I cannot report = as being negative in anyway. Questions we were asking, were the exact = same questions that the hippy movement were asking 10 to 12 years = earlier, just that we chose aggression and chaos to rebel, where the = hippys used free sex and drugs. (Note I don't use the terms peace and = love here... we had that too!!!) > Yeah, come to think of it, you are right, Mark. > I , too , remember the early punk days and the joy there was in being = angry and creative and just letting it out. >=20 > I missed the Rave culture entirely because I was doing world fusion = music for almost 20 years before I reentered > pop music at the turn of the millenium, but that's an amazing story = about the DJ and the track, Killer. >=20 > thanks for the perspective and the cool story. >=20 > rick walker >=20 --Apple-Mail-2--942561946 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
=










On Dec 22, 2010, at 7:17 AM, Rick Walker wrote:

On = 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote:
The = absolute joy and freedom that I felt as a young radical anarchist (If = only I had known what that meant) was something that I cannot report as = being negative in anyway. Questions we were asking, were the exact same = questions that the hippy movement were asking 10 to 12 years earlier, = just that we chose aggression and chaos to rebel, where the hippys used = free sex and drugs. (Note I don't use the terms peace and love here... = we had that too!!!)
Yeah, come to think of it,  you = are right, Mark.
I , too , remember the early punk days and the joy = there was in being angry and creative and just letting it out.

I = missed the Rave culture entirely because I was doing world fusion music = for almost 20 years before I reentered
pop music at the turn of the = millenium, but that's an amazing story about the DJ and the track, = Killer.

thanks for the perspective and the cool = story.

rick = walker


= --Apple-Mail-2--942561946-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 21:08:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ACC4183481; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:07:56 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 141.151.136.167 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33069-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD7033709E479F-1768-2219@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:08:14 +0000 (UTC) but the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are=20 moving faster! -----Original Message----- From: Revfever To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 3:45 pm Subject: OT: Lunar Solstice Whoa! I did not realize that last night's lunar eclipse coincided with=20 Winter Solstice (21st) and is something that has not happened in=20 something like TWO THOUSAND YEARS!=C2=A0 That gives me some wonderful CHILLS...=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sugar Frosted Flakes,=C2=A0 Rev. Fever=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 21:25:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AF53183457; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:25:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20101221083353.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.98943e34ac.wbe@email00.se,cureserver.net>,<4D11130A.5050807@boomerangmusic.com>,,,<907341.42767.qm@web59711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>, Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--934189122 Message-Id: <2488D439-7315-42A4-8C54-25820C0B3777@ubergadget.com> From: Revfever Subject: Re: Amazon and Wikileaks. Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:25:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=6.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RDNS_NONE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on host.newworlddelivery.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:25:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--934189122 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Dec 22, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > This is much bigger than that. It's about freedom of information. > If government lies are stolen property then steal them I say. Something that is not mentioned much (or at all anymore) in the major "media" about what WikiLeaks has released is that, so far, NONE of it has truly been any kind of REAL "secrets" or seriously "classified" info that would "threaten" US national security. Even some higher ups in the PENTAGON, including the SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, have SAID that. There is also no way in hell that some lowly PFC would have had access to the codes (or whatever) to the REAL risky and highly classified information since the DoD has it all encrypted and made very secure and some lowly PFC would have no way to access that, or without someone noticing. But, what WAS released was simply the truth about how the US military and many of it's soldiers have acted, (and tried to keep hidden forever) and other dirty little secrets about the military, and also about some of the key players who got the 2 wars started and the REAL reasons for those wars which has ZERO to do with "defending" the USA. The only "defense" is that of the continued profits of the oil companies (including UK and other oil companies) and also about those who make a LOT of money off of being in the "business" of war profiteering. The only real "risk" here is that this now revealed knowledge will maybe make even more people in the Middle East (and elsewhere) pissed off at the USA. But hey, the USA has been doing a "heck of a job" of doing that anyway and for a LONG time now. And still today, so many clueless sheeple in the USA wonder "why do they hate us?". Well, get the fuck OUT of THOSE countries and STOP STEALING THEIR RESOURCES and just maybe some of that hate will start to subside a little bit. Gee...what a "concept", eh? The same goes for the State Dept cable leaks. Once again, absolutely nothing that was any kind of real "classified" info that would "endanger" the "security" of the USA was released. Those leaks are more of an EMBARRASSMENT than anything else, which the powers that be and the major "media" are falsely trying to make it all out to be. Turning mole hills into ridiculous mountains just to try to save face, along with having a "reason" to shut down an outlet for the truth and facts. Also, I just loved the response from a diplomat of one of the other countries that were ridiculed in some of the State Dept cables. His / her response was with a sort of a chuckle when he / she said (paraphrased) "If you only knew what we say about you". Har! The Europeans generally take things in stride far more than uptight, freaked out Americans do. > p.s. > No law has been broken by wikileaks and yet we have semator > Lieberman calling for the New York Times to be investigated.. The Lieberwhore will do and say anything to advance his "career" and to try to "legitimize" himself. A self-serving sellout and major prick, if there ever was one. Plus, the NYT and the Washington Times were both given this same treatment back when the Pentagon Papers were released, which BTW was one of the MAIN reasons why support for the Viet Nam war (remember that one? A LOT of vets who got fucked over STILL do) soon turned into just the opposite. But, the US still says it "won" that war. Uh-huh. Riiiiight. More revisionist history. Now gee...imagine that, eh? The case went all the way to the Supreme Court and the Court decided 6-3 in favor of both newspapers. This *could* turn out the same way, but the difference this time is that the Supreme Court has been stacked with arch conservatives, some of which were put there by (surprise!) scum bag Bush. However, there is still a reasonable chance that the case will still be decided in favor of both newspapers and for the same reasons of the 1971 case which was constitutionally guaranteed freedom of the press under the First Amendment and that the NYT etc was in no way involved with or aiding and abetting any "espionage". History is just repeating itself here, but hope still springs eternal.... NYT v/s USA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._United_States But now it also looks like the CIA is about to get involved "to assess the impact of the exposure of thousands of U.S. diplomatic cables and military files by WikiLeaks", which could mean trouble for the defense. But also, check out the acronym of WHAT the CIA is calling this "task force". Ha! Ya just can't make this stuff up! WTF! http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/22/cia-wikileaks-taskforce-wtf > > > From: cazwicky@earthlink.net > > Subject: Re: Amazon and Wikileaks. WAS: Boomerang Power Supply > Not Included in Price > > > > Fuck Amazon. > > > > > > I personally wouldn't buy from Amazon again after they tried to > > >curtail free speech by censoring the wikileaks websites that used > > >their servers. > > > > > >Some people call it free speech, some would call it receiving and > > >disseminating stolen property. Just sayin... > > > > > >Put a different way, would you boycott Amazon if they shut down a > > >site that was giving away cracked software, MP3s of commercial > > >music, or downloads of commercial movies? > > > > > >(I don't work for Amazon and I have no stake in Amazon other than > > >being a fairly regular customer.) > > > > > > -- > > > > ... > > http://www.zmix.net > > > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > > --Apple-Mail-2--934189122 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On Dec 22, 2010, at = 10:26 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote:

This is much bigger than that. It's about freedom of = information. If government lies are stolen property then steal them I = say.

Something that is = not mentioned much (or at all anymore) in the major "media" about what = WikiLeaks has released is that, so far, NONE of it has truly = been any kind of REAL "secrets" or seriously "classified" info that = would "threaten" US national security. Even some higher ups in the = PENTAGON, including the SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, have SAID that. There is = also no way in hell that some lowly PFC would have had access to = the codes (or whatever) to the REAL risky and highly classified = information since the DoD has it all encrypted and made very secure = and some lowly PFC would have no way to access that, or without = someone noticing. But, what WAS released was simply the truth about = how the US military and many of it's soldiers have acted, (and = tried to keep hidden forever) and other dirty little secrets about the = military, and also about some of the key players who got the 2 wars = started and the REAL reasons for those wars which has ZERO to do with = "defending" the USA. The only "defense" is that of the continued = profits of the oil companies (including UK and other oil companies) =  and also about those who make a LOT of money off of being in the = "business" of war profiteering. The only real "risk" here is that = this now revealed knowledge will maybe make even more people in the = Middle East (and elsewhere) pissed off at the USA. But hey, the USA = has been doing a "heck of a job" of doing that anyway and for a LONG = time now. And still today, so many clueless sheeple in the USA = wonder "why do they hate us?". Well, get the fuck OUT of THOSE countries = and STOP STEALING THEIR RESOURCES 
and just maybe = some of that hate will start to subside a little bit.  Gee...what a = "concept", eh?

The same goes for the State Dept = cable leaks. Once again, absolutely nothing that was any kind of real = "classified" info that would "endanger" the "security" of the USA = was released. Those leaks are more of an EMBARRASSMENT than anything = else, which the powers that be and the major "media" are falsely = trying to make it all out to be. Turning mole hills into ridiculous = mountains just to try to save face, along with having a "reason" to shut = down an outlet for the truth and facts. Also, I just loved the response = from a diplomat of one of the other countries that were ridiculed = in some of the State Dept cables. His / her response was with a sort of = a chuckle when he / she said (paraphrased) "If you only knew what = we say about you". Har!  The Europeans generally take things in = stride far more than uptight, freaked out Americans = do.

p.s. 
No law has = been broken by wikileaks and yet we have semator Lieberman calling for = the New York Times to be = investigated..

The = Lieberwhore will do and say anything to advance his "career" and to try = to "legitimize" himself. A self-serving sellout and major prick, if = there ever was one.
Plus, the NYT and the Washington Times = were both given this same treatment back when the Pentagon Papers were = released, which BTW was one of the MAIN reasons why
support = for the Viet Nam war (remember that one? A LOT of vets who got fucked = over STILL do) soon turned into just the opposite.  But, the = US still says it "won" that war. 
Uh-huh. Riiiiight. =  More revisionist history. Now gee...imagine that, = eh?

The case went all the way to the Supreme = Court and the Court decided 6-3 in favor of both newspapers. This = *could* turn out the same way, but the difference this time is that = the Supreme Court has been stacked with arch conservatives, some of = which were put there by (surprise!) scum bag Bush. However, there is = still a reasonable chance that the case will still be decided in = favor of both newspapers and for the same reasons of the 1971 case which = was constitutionally guaranteed freedom of the press under the First = Amendment and that the NYT etc was in no way involved with or aiding and = abetting any "espionage". History is just repeating itself here, = but hope still springs eternal....

NYT v/s = USA:
=

But now it also looks like the CIA is about to get = involved "to assess the impact of the exposure of thousands of = U.S. diplomatic cables and military files by = WikiLeaks",
which could mean = trouble for the defense. 

But also, check = out the acronym of WHAT the CIA is calling this "task force". Ha! =  Ya just can't make this stuff up!  WTF!


> From: cazwicky@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: Amazon and Wikileaks. WAS: = Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price
> 
> Fuck Amazon.
> 
> > > I personally wouldn't buy from = Amazon again after they tried to 
> >curtail free speech by censoring the = wikileaks websites that used 
> >their servers.
> >
> >Some people call it free speech, = some would call it receiving and 
> >disseminating stolen property. Just = sayin...
> >
> >Put a different way, would you = boycott Amazon if they shut down a 
> >site that was giving away cracked = software, MP3s of commercial 
> >music, or downloads of commercial = movies?
> >
> >(I don't work for Amazon and I have = no stake in Amazon other than 
> >being a fairly regular = customer.)
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> ...
> http://www.zmix.net
> 
> http://www.esession.com/Chuck= Zwicky
> 
> http://albumcredits.com/zmix
> 

= --Apple-Mail-2--934189122-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 21:35:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A48F18347B; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ttueurQWI5paYnrF5lUJ8DeJ24dHuL+hYk6ZdFmqTDU=; b=cMtJfTgQ+LHBDqrJjnX2Y7RsdE4FtaAnjWSg9UZnAjyQumDvgLNHwr7A9dsiM66Qiv id3wLD/Xn2zXM8ucDA1MuF0S2JddRVVtNOo/tJGxpQN5LwYTnTSFQBnksXkiGMP3NbHm hICTgNQRNCtCsnYJywoLFvHOrkNWlW0Qv5lRw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=f52t2MNvH1hFX3dn5lfCYv76KFefi1kXl+bP4u9wNi+qsIMnz3JizbrnKc/lIEx6lL lTqGDv8znuNx0E07Ufeu6SOf4Gas8Npe+O6Dh3s4/SzSr8RXCDMDbdvKdN20prNNH/s7 F0EkE0xHhSaHQ4+aTwnrb396IHJ8neSmudtB0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:35:33 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Amazon and Wikileaks is OT From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Ok - we've surpassed our minimum quota of OT wikileaks discussion for this board. Can we go back to talking about electronic doodads again? -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 21:38:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3818218347B; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=EfqNu5B2PjfHqyO9n0mvUTOxRqvaDXfSbapkc2Bo1fU=; b=EPFJkbbdZhTBj09KfhVZSTXwEcJbxwcy7YLcBN58E4VDp3acQAaG1IyuhPkce3kHkk 9irAjsMHwt+NFbb3oPs2ozgZN4KumvHWechgjoCCac0hUrKQFKw3564VEB7Kv30UrTbm 4hS5CTZFdRbbZddexS3n4go+jcfqIZ3T2fPl4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=UwRs8rHp4OAUo9Hfmjr6CYP8WTIugaW9R7U7T6Q5tTE7TKD3+sfY1F0gLZJZAEFmcr 7oQzXpB+Oi0cpY9XPxlOkBE0IXmgCmJw1wnDy8cVtpf6Is//1abgalJ6gBELNmhYVg/g 8zCGq8ietiFegq2EQrFgi56TwrnU4RzAsxZ9c= MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Jim W." Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:37:37 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: OK, Re: Amazon and Wikileaks is OT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <9td02C.A.vL.M_mENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:38:20 +0000 (UTC) are you playing live anywhere in the bay area soon? On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Ok - we've surpassed our minimum quota of OT wikileaks discussion for > this board. Can we go back to talking about electronic doodads again? > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 21:38:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFE2418347E; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nVP73ETVrq6MGZSEOVJBmFM0eRRQkfDwEH5ckQ5yHkA=; b=B7VUlUAS7QJavoskBgP3odtpVQ5aE1Me5dxd8gwnsgerB9yj8qMe6O2eZzhHHx8V/g EVjTu3gutLwtCnAOlaZ4CNERpgYSOlCjVBBzyFXJObCfoxsdwbGcuJx4USc9h2lY062x zK8SnVSm/sN7SJ1sI7AePx7hCnssvol+C5fUQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=s/6nN6N08/tUNcESwZHDIa26ljn/1rlTK/JzePCzbGZo8vDoPIvnoh/qSolgxL0fne HVtSc7mj9abdZe3Wo+25Otj6O7wnX8HEVjtRGmGkYyZmP2swMdsk6bwLpJvBgAslH87S /gZ59eHyKVpG9uhkGJXYUBHKgu8fhcCqD46oQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:38:51 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Amazon and Wikileaks is OT From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6db237e4a6dc504980694ba Resent-Message-ID: <9qzmCB.A.XQ.u_mENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:38:54 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6db237e4a6dc504980694ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes please On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Ok - we've surpassed our minimum quota of OT wikileaks discussion for > this board. Can we go back to talking about electronic doodads again? > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > --0016e6db237e4a6dc504980694ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes please

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:35 P= M, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok - we've surpassed our minimum quota of OT wikileaks discussion for this board. Can we go back to talking about electronic doodads again?

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--0016e6db237e4a6dc504980694ba-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 21:49:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6856C183458; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 541288.17861.bm@omp1026.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293054580; bh=r/FEx9Bvk0JThywGKLJgiUw1itud17UM6Im7r2ZXZeE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gggoa+VpdruByeq5J1qlRK2GTCCv3HhgUCdIRd7luL7JOITMrbUpuBFHw04fZW/DXXPSHk7SSs97GWiLzl6zG0SVlG1PLH9VfKG+Y0IroEhwypm3oASJpUO1cpMN0BRilpdd6sa/AdK6fTIq9d1yvknVomRFwTa9mpk2ROsxrDo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LC1sI12d/xYN0d9f1ThZs5ksTqWbCok/Y4MLCKscoHLNrASwuJv7HaPDE/wIGR1tcplOac4Fjhuus387aDfdTQJuF7YQrQcb+6p4AS/gCnzZAKflnFcKZMWq2irOtOtsksCYKtDQ2LIMwi1uc7Famb99vysXy50LNAMqHGLtREU=; Message-ID: <374298.34539.qm@web59712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Rka_lFcVM1n6pgiVDux3.e2083cxZHY_VR4NII4HvXoRlqh 2v8TjbOh9z7PkaLi8zYkZIV6pGTqzVGI8b9TnVHyiVesvxPv7u_c_JdWlRSX XbcZxJcKEnL00KYnewaP24Bqq0S10hpuvGecscw4FNdSBHeDH12yeoXl14Qq TQ1RyTiJiwwRQjQqdZ5mchRYU4KGpyJDg6jgyfFIFEkSCOfqoGKzp.G2LWZf JqwmGOBDKKFTLltTbDdiEeUIZMxIFNArV1zjYYifkKBkDGQP6ffkWZkiOKla lnvXAfHsu21zHOtV1RyJYVdaMrpo6cnz7uzNBnL6UesQm8mAeug-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:49:40 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Wellington Subject: Gigs. WAS: OK, Re: Amazon and Wikileaks is OT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Any of you guys near Arizona? I'm thinking about organizing something at Solar Culture in Tucson for the spring... ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim W. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 2:37:37 PM Subject: OK, Re: Amazon and Wikileaks is OT are you playing live anywhere in the bay area soon? On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Ok - we've surpassed our minimum quota of OT wikileaks discussion for > this board. Can we go back to talking about electronic doodads again? > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 21:55:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E939B183466; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7A1DD312-7C56-430F-AEC0-9B653B88AD4B@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Revfever Subject: Any Roland MC 303 owners on LD? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:55:14 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=6.0 tests=RDNS_NONE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on host.newworlddelivery.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (Yeah yeah...I know. I've heard all of the criticisms before about it's "just a disco band in a box" etc etc blah blah blah, so no need for those comments, please. I plan to tweak the hell out of it as it gets incorporated into the mix of my other "acceptable" and "real" gear. :-)) I have an older Roland MC 303 that has a glitch (or?) concerning the MIDI function that I need to get solved somehow? Anyone else have or have had experience with these instruments? I would prefer to have any responses given privately and off list, OK? Pretty please? With sugar on it? :-) TIA. Shredded Wheat, Rev.Fever Portland,OR http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 21:58:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70229183477; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ce32CM3h/ZBbWCew6FSvsigO+E2PjM2nqRNCkZ7BtgU=; b=g78ezHfOEqHInKNhXtxg5tOmk/lySaH5xbfIOpz74OcuQDIQ+27DM0Ebwvl0zTtSv+ /Mo1QG89SXQi2HnylfN4usygjtnH8h9wQbmnIOXbyvmH/FdmlLmGrESBmag4DDkxLiK6 8ts6iV004FLqeJqoBP/KENDI9qFYKIhAzaUpc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qBz5EO9wNAScyHLhdl7WaUb58wjrSib8Ld5iGMvdN3bVQEupsRr0Rr6i4kqe8mRm3V X0pKOVpuM667KYeKd5hsIbT3EiJbbycYmeEeQwZdMHBeEpKG0X2rUtP6aP2i3S38EwDA IRn1N3DWBl5opVhVZp/bSm3ojaZTTC1P7aT3w= Message-ID: <4D12748F.5070902@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:58:39 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gigs. WAS: OK, Re: Amazon and Wikileaks is OT References: <374298.34539.qm@web59712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <374298.34539.qm@web59712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9ylr4D.A.U9.USnENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:58:44 +0000 (UTC) I get to Tucson a few times a year on tour (and love visiting, great place). I'll be there, and have a free night, on Saturday February 26....not exactly spring, but Arizona winter is spring for everyone else. If not then I may be back in May. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Any of you guys near Arizona? I'm thinking about organizing something at Solar > Culture in Tucson for the spring... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 23:04:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B95D183458; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=h+eAmchYTLVmIgudTxdfDt7zu4w4xyBdzk8/feJJzuI=; b=OxyqeI42Ek0GBaJhZln7ZODxG5l1t4Rp7wZIhrgyS/CKlQXhxVUnmxyQT5dD80wCc/ uOuVjC8BDqnC3Je9Ko6zw1coIFbsbcJolYXrYO2mEjZhkdtz3IF9eIdEbC+QCa+UCw3/ fl7czmGi4u4UXxKD3krLFrXLz1ThmwSZyjxnY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BFQhnEwwJiGpAqPZXFWKd1PAyeGCqaSphFF3WRr7PQF4YnH6gczQGMMNa65kqoB6if VQ1Rcj0FTu0ah+eRAsJvm5yckSqEK0M9E1YFeDaJPw0WVU/ZSMfdqb5IT/KJOg2HAEfC KER06Uo17YeCRpU4NxAjyIfQKgh0REon5skKc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <374298.34539.qm@web59712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <374298.34539.qm@web59712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:04:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gigs. WAS: OK, Re: Amazon and Wikileaks is OT From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Amazingly enough I am planning (loosely) to be in Tucson in the spring. General revisiting old grounds and meeting up with Glenn Weyant and the gang. Maybe we will sync! oh and thanks Matt! :) peace, Jeff On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Doug Wellington wrote: > Any of you guys near Arizona? =A0I'm thinking about organizing something = at Solar > Culture in Tucson for the spring... > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jim W. > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 2:37:37 PM > Subject: OK, Re: Amazon and Wikileaks is OT > > are you playing live anywhere in the bay area soon? > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Matt Davignon w= rote: >> Ok - we've surpassed our minimum quota of OT wikileaks discussion for >> this board. Can we go back to talking about electronic doodads again? >> >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 23:12:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 008D218345A; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1285C4.80704@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:12:04 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard sales CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: the 60's References: <883E4AEF-2206-42C7-9FED-D30FFBAFCFC6@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <883E4AEF-2206-42C7-9FED-D30FFBAFCFC6@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:12:14 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, richard sales wrote: > Well... the hippies also used hard core civil disobedience to express > our anger! It was a thrilling time. > The free love and drugs was just a bonus for some of us. For some it > was the core of the experience. They're the ones who went on to Wall > Street and commerce. Truth is, they missed the most glorious boat of > the time. LOL, There is a common joke that goes, "If you remember the 60's, then you weren't there." Sadly, sometimes I think that if you weren't there you just don't get it. It's like Dickens said, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times". American children were probably the most dysfunctional in our National history. Many (and NOT the majority) were angry but they also wanted to buy out of the materialistic culture that had emerged from all the wealth and conformity that characterized our culture at the end of World War 2. I always think it is dangerous to put too much emphasis on a time in one's life when one is first learning about the world and trying to come to terms with it's inequities (and it's delights) but there was some kind of magic in that time, at least for me. The one thing that I do miss about it was the , of course, intrinsically naive, notion that we could somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant paradigm..........we could make a culture that was less racist, less sexist, less ageist, less sizeist, etc., etc. there was a feeling, artistically, that anything was possible and that, I believe is what led to the explosion in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts are to me personally.....lol). that part of it was wonderful where I lived (and at my tender age (I was 14 in '67 but had a sister 4 years older who was taking me to concerts and parties and be-ins all the time----she took my brother and I to the Monterey Pop Festival and to the Filmore Auditorium on my 16th birthday and turned me on, bless her heart) Youth seem far more cynical these days (and I teach them a lot so I have some experience saying this). I suppose we can't blame them after they had to watch George Bush stay in office for eight years and all it represents, psychically and politically. I always wish I could give them a little tiny bit of that naive idealism we had at that time........ .....that sense that anything is possible. It was a good think even though some of my memory about that time is dim (lol). rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 23:13:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3DBB183458; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D12862A.8010707@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:13:46 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nemoguitt@aol.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice References: <8CD7033709E479F-1768-2219@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CD7033709E479F-1768-2219@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:13:56 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > but the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are > moving faster! My wife Chris, who is up on these things, said the next one is 2014. I didn't verify it but she's rarely wrong about her research into anything......one of the sharpest human beings I've ever met. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 23:17:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2CFE183456; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1286F4.2070501@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:17:08 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: WHAT GIGS ARE YOU DOING LATELY, WAS: OK, Re: Amazon and Wikileaks is OT References: <4D12748F.5070902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D12748F.5070902@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7jhUrD.A.YbD.7boENB@hemlock> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Now that the point has been made (I agree, by the way), let's retitle this move all of these gig posts over to this thread title for the sake of future archivists and people who are deleting this former thread title because it's not On Topic. just sayin, rick walker On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I get to Tucson a few times a year on tour (and love visiting, great > place). I'll be there, and have a free night, on Saturday February > 26....not exactly spring, but Arizona winter is spring for everyone else. > > If not then I may be back in May. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > >> Any of you guys near Arizona? I'm thinking about organizing >> something at Solar >> Culture in Tucson for the spring... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 23:27:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47001183478; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 85593.7192.bm@omp1018.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293060448; bh=Up6qwDJwqSIeAsXiY8kg43XkOGlvxbcvbQsPYgARVkM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TCqzgKg+I8ypVeydoC6j9WOWECfKi4cdT0cWcujKFIbu2QY/Lv91m3cxOwLPpDzUupkLnjSUC9rVsot3WUgrBMTueaGC4E2LoNt1JjD5wHZTPlxPORmNcWOUA6CUfVyouJqRFrEz1s5XM3gH0aVoC6uGsovp/JnlHxA2kg4VpCc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HeOWOiQmxkpIJ5bLpJu82rSFyo0tu+yVTa6JS4GhDmmG+C0j9LMfxcMFa1rH6ZNlBfwcCe7bj42Us+WKiRkA2Et2lBKLVPyXdQQd6IwEPRFo9HXa3R+RXO41hAHLwAsbAwBvsXgoNiPOxASqD4wULqaRC2ItAzMbdS2SSUu4fQs=; Message-ID: <585218.2515.qm@web114503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: .K01HRUVM1l3uPV2d21wxULV7MrbaIfs5Wi5MoNWPRZFshW 75OWkNPxJvhevm.loGR.K4Q5J0Dk2tNQG8N2eoiZq7njyGPHIEhSxOVq0RP_ ynLZ0zJrHtvK7LGXDzUIApZQJWvAzSmlSHgunwqm2KKvogCUMxwjY7BtFW9s wtNgJo09GvnCKnN.kIzFwPrUhtBnB9xzvNo5AGXaboE.YlVxGiwIWpmSZhIT 5LO3kQl_PXSVRvBYkc0BIDf8zs4X36J9XDuHfuh4r9KQzGqoSVYxvtGy9FCv PgF1WLznJ1WX93eSDK0r1PWCdvxdjLHa0I23kB45OOu_ftkmHCeoSPDjZgL6 dsu9D8QbEvk6SuHXxJNwUuWDkKA9Vqxl7QzR_13uiv2kyZ2U_0ejwfA0Rpyj H9KfnwmiSpqY- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <8CD7033709E479F-1768-2219@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com> <4D12862A.8010707@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:27:28 -0800 (PST) From: George Demarest Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, nemoguitt@aol.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D12862A.8010707@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1691762284-1293060448=:2515" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:27:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-1691762284-1293060448=:2515 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 2014 is the next lunar eclipse, much later when it happens on the Solstice next ________________________________ From: Rick Walker To: nemoguitt@aol.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 4:13:46 PM Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > but the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are moving >faster! > My wife Chris, who is up on these things, said the next one is 2014. I didn't verify it but she's rarely wrong about her research into anything......one of the sharpest human beings I've ever met. rick walker --0-1691762284-1293060448=:2515 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
2014 is the next lunar eclipse, much later when it happens on the Solstice next

From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: nemoguitt@aol.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 4:13:46 PM
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice

On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
> but the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are moving faster!
My wife Chris, who is up on these things,  said the next one is 2014. I didn't verify it
but she's rarely wrong about her research into anything......one of the sharpest human beings
I've ever met.

rick walker

--0-1691762284-1293060448=:2515-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 23:28:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EFDA183485; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OkuAw/O4i/3fMKY5Fd1e+Si7IQq4jpheIPxMY+herfI=; b=Iq2Ng5HTDqqSHax/f13qrpzi04vTV7peiACHLsY/860EgA9qWs9OSj+UeEEHg1Y1dp qImpY93ufemct6Fo0iJ5ge1kSy3kFXOqxBpiWCYcr6nzDX2OgPNGWdFt4dvICdBSFskw vvUOxfjCE4XYasK/bnl8T2d7n7hNDOR4u5XhQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=htAHub1lYA/8ee2pAbdWCur3hBlWXbMVbdRRh5FwLXJ66Spu7eRR/rAuW6bjn+YdyE S6wV9q60abYzaBVBFbkyBjZOlNA4rj/rk/Yc6Exfl8KLV1IcfsiQ/E9P6MHpEBXRCGYf o4BE5JyL5xCfkzJakl3FobkWbqBX6KGaEqdIc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D12862A.8010707@cruzio.com> References: <8CD7033709E479F-1768-2219@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com> <4D12862A.8010707@cruzio.com> From: "Jim W." Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:28:14 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:28:56 +0000 (UTC) well, yes; but nothing is really going to be around to "happen" after December, 2012 anyway. Right? On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >> >> but the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are >> moving faster! > > My wife Chris, who is up on these things, =A0said the next one is 2014. I > didn't verify it > but she's rarely wrong about her research into anything......one of the > sharpest human beings > I've ever met. > > rick walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 23:36:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BFEF183475; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 231571.27613.bm@omp1026.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293060981; bh=k1N43vseiCPiDp3AbYW4YS83ZEnzfJuJ41ZZ/IFfjPM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dYSo57WSWJrF4ol1zHfNc8CK3kkrtxy2aVGaYDPjZXqHIAEGx9x5360idaZli9+sSZkLyqWRtNbG4uOpriPC/2Ho25/SkE4dhiN7DWZ1mqhpP9UDGG49LUmzMiTYTEY4TI0DL0Mn/OHQy2H8DPHFY8VlNixkZQvb7n1Ti8o3ZIQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=clzjiZgadvuGTFhvauoi9kqAgp5wxWmlmEEZQN+H5ExEpd/JAY0DwenRmOpAPeZC181IfGqEIJ4+vhlI4mDyr3MP4wmROjZdBfa8GKpdD/mxgbulmu97n3WKRnnItnY5eAHHdVb6foVKT36eRJhaMlN5U0RgESw7GXRLsGIzVvQ=; Message-ID: <815351.13326.qm@web114510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 2wSwShIVM1lYS46A5x9cqys8hhtk.mFMkfw58u7f301XMPt THUP9wxjaVFmDVN51RaAMizWDZ5c2jSIKBkyUfppajHZ9MbPn.3ec59T6ArP iP2Ll3x0Pn7vMIZDD2rrSD_QWL196S4tH8rPM7Pkqrzsh1kz_9yDh01dbLyI yvfqjlY72gTCXNyApsKolY9feDL6JRYazx9vlC6OR.xI8qh1mU0fMTZCuxJ9 plnNQif2No0HeYMTc3nc0bu0dInWE6alqOGM4FnbLdkBBVeFAhwphSMd_xwI UpjUIKCYJwgjdITELH0JwytwXlQZo12Q3I69F55ifJga_R0VTpQiEAxpoLEV 8h3e4HnRR8yvf6K2fs0vBeBXE0R3qUlesVT6WlF3LUHt5ryOemIjc5DKdYuX xoVdEvMD1FDU- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <2984402612C34FD78AF00709192DFF39@mpeserver> <4D1139A1.7080607@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:36:21 -0800 (PST) From: George Demarest Subject: Re: RE: the 60's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D1139A1.7080607@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-64077925-1293060981=:13326" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:36:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-64077925-1293060981=:13326 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I may be lynched for saying it, but the 70s did offer up Frippertronics, Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf, Gong, Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, tons of great Zappa, King Crimson, Henry Cow, Yes, Genesis, etc. I guess it depends on your lens. gfd ________________________________ From: Rick Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 4:34:57 PM Subject: Re: RE: the 60's Michael Peters wrote: > from a 56 yr old geezer: were the 70's really that bad? not to me >From a 57 year old geezer (lol, I've never actually thought of myself as either old or a geezer but it's fun for this conversation) the 70's (especially the middle 70's) were particularly depressing because, as a musician, I witnessed all the freedom and creativity and openness of the Hippy movement supplanted by wide spread cultural depression and cynicism (I can only speak of Northern California where I lived). I saw this beautiful blossoming of culture and creativity usurped by the music industry who had figured out how much money could be made off of youth culture. I watched the fantastic free FM radio stations of the Bay Area with all of their amazingly eclectic radio shows put out of business and replaced by corporate run FM stations with play lists. I watched the Major Musical Labels muscle in on regional American music and try as hard as they could to establish monopolies. It was a very depressing time to me, but I was also a very angry young man struggling with my own internal demons so that had to have clouded the experience. I wouldn't see another blossoming of that kind of creativity until the early New Wave/Punk movements in the late 70's and early 80's........even so, there has always been a kind of cynicism that has accompanied a lot of the musical movements (well, perhaps not the New Age movement, but I just couldn't relate....lol) since those times in modern popular movements............well, either cynicism or the kind of mindless drug escapism that accompanied the Rave scene. The Psy Trance scene seems to have some kinship with those earlier days but I'm, personally, just not all that enamored, emotionally, with that type of music. Okay, I ramble...................but after all those psychedlics and psycho-tropic drugs (and others) I suppose it's a good thing that I can still muster complete sentences..........lol rick walker --0-64077925-1293060981=:13326 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I may be lynched for saying it, but the 70s did offer up Frippertronics, Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf, Gong, 
Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, tons of great Zappa, King Crimson, Henry Cow, Yes, Genesis, etc.

I guess it depends on your lens.

gfd

From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 4:34:57 PM
Subject: Re: RE: the 60's



Michael Peters wrote:
> from a 56 yr old geezer: were the 70's really that bad? not to me

From a 57 year old geezer (lol,  I've never actually thought of myself as either old
or a geezer but it's fun for this conversation)  the 70's (especially the middle 70's)
were particularly depressing because, as a musician,  I witnessed all the freedom and creativity
and openness of the Hippy movement supplanted by wide spread cultural depression and
cynicism (I can only speak of Northern California where I lived).    I saw this beautiful
blossoming of culture and creativity usurped by the music industry who had figured out
how much money could be made off of youth culture.  I watched the fantastic free FM radio
stations of the Bay Area with all of their amazingly eclectic radio shows put out of business and replaced by corporate run FM stations with play lists.    I watched the Major Musical Labels muscle in on regional
American music and try as hard as they could to establish monopolies.
It was a very depressing time to me, but I was also a very angry young man struggling with my own
internal demons so that had to have clouded the experience.

I wouldn't see another blossoming of that kind of creativity until the early New Wave/Punk movements
in the late 70's and early 80's........even so,  there has always been a kind of cynicism that has accompanied
a lot of the musical movements (well, perhaps not the New Age movement, but I just couldn't relate....lol)
since those times in modern popular movements............well, either cynicism or the kind of mindless
drug escapism that accompanied the Rave scene.      The Psy Trance scene seems to have some kinship with
those earlier days but I'm, personally, just not all that enamored, emotionally, with that type of music.

Okay,  I ramble...................but after all those psychedlics and psycho-tropic drugs (and others)
I suppose it's a good thing that I can still muster complete sentences..........lol

rick walker





--0-64077925-1293060981=:13326-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 22 23:39:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B13518347A; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JrQXj6+rlHnb9YX/gxcxUVObfTxJpmtlBhw2T2wldOc=; b=sHmd3Q4xghAuZRmjxwhVIqDXDazuYB7RBESGGq8GMQLoNK8y+Caqv6ku1YoO9arK8o 3dbk4Lv4nSRQsiQatO6Xf5vJrkRfTn9ye2k6Fz6EpGJIC7W+mtEwIpSzlA4TI/32+gda trE1cEhi3FQ7YjLFn+OCv3P1L5klJMjumxzeY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=MzRnf8jNNxjuqf5fH4tGmx2WtMXq0904w3XfDl82HxkP80Fgt+b8xjyvALMDvcae6t vxzcQKS7kmFWVl2gIxUV2E40ectR9GpF0ykex4dTEOnlJ/f4mqf9MARhf3tri9HAjpKE CSybvSX+z2lZYBsPU0sfeyKtWefcrPoYFjme8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:39:27 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OK, Re: Amazon and Wikileaks is OT From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Jim W. was all: > are you playing live anywhere in the bay area soon? Oh... me? At the moment, I just finished a few of them for December, and I don't have any shows planned at the moment. I plan to get some spring shows together in the next month or so. I could add you to my event mailing list if you want. Otherwise, I'll always have show announcements posted on the front page of www.ribosomemusic.com. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: >> Ok - we've surpassed our minimum quota of OT wikileaks discussion for >> this board. Can we go back to talking about electronic doodads again? >> >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 00:14:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 335C9183475; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_65ebb306-6488-4714-a728-90637648510c_" X-Originating-IP: [24.21.162.195] From: Jeremy devros To: Subject: RE: the 60's Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:14:43 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <815351.13326.qm@web114510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <2984402612C34FD78AF00709192DFF39@mpeserver> <4D1139A1.7080607@cruzio.com>,<815351.13326.qm@web114510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2010 00:14:43.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[66244DA0:01CBA236] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:14:45 +0000 (UTC) --_65ebb306-6488-4714-a728-90637648510c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As more a child of the 70s than the 60s I add The Sex Pistols=2C The Clash= =2C Ramones=2C Talking Heads=2C etc... To tag on to Rick's comments: My oldest son=2C who is 21=2C is an inspirati= on to me to re-visit and re-live my youthful ideals--doing good deeds=2C li= ving frugally=2C and=2C as you said: eschewing the dominant paradigm. He ca= lls me on my slack=2C makes me really think about why I do the things I do = ( work in govt.) and questions authority. He just left Cambodia where he he= lped build water purification systems for rural villages and is now in Thai= land working with kids.=20 My youngest -18yo=2C also makes me think critically about my 'liberal' idea= ls by having to actually explain the goodness of caring about others rather= than living for myself only --which is too damn easy at my age.=20 I guess they don't constitute a mass consciousness but who knows that they = may inspire their generation to rise up from the garbage of the Glenn Becks= =2C O'Reillys=2C and other self centered self focused selfish louts. Peace out on these subdued holidaze J.D.Devros Date: Wed=2C 22 Dec 2010 15:36:21 -0800 From: g_demarest@yahoo.com Subject: Re: RE: the 60's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I may be lynched for saying it=2C but the 70s did offer up Frippertronics= =2C Gentle Giant=2C Van der Graaf=2C Gong=2C Mahavishnu=2C Return to Foreve= r=2C tons of great Zappa=2C King Crimson=2C Henry Cow=2C Yes=2C Genesis=2C = etc. I guess it depends on your lens. gfd From: Rick Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tue=2C December 21=2C 2010 4:34:57 PM Subject: Re: RE: the 60's Michael Peters wrote: > from a 56 yr old geezer: were the 70's really that bad? not to me >From a 57 year old geezer (lol=2C I've never actually thought of myself as= either old or a geezer but it's fun for this conversation) the 70's (especially the m= iddle 70's) were particularly depressing because=2C as a musician=2C I witnessed all t= he freedom and creativity and openness of the Hippy movement supplanted by wide spread cultural depre= ssion and cynicism (I can only speak of Northern California where I lived). I saw= this beautiful blossoming of culture and creativity usurped by the music industry who had = figured out how much money could be made off of youth culture. I watched the fantasti= c free FM radio stations of the Bay Area with all of their amazingly eclectic radio shows p= ut out of business and replaced by corporate run FM stations with play list= s. I watched the Major Musical Labels muscle in on regional American music and try as hard as they could to establish monopolies. It was a very depressing time to me=2C but I was also a very angry young ma= n struggling with my own internal demons so that had to have clouded the experience. I wouldn't see another blossoming of that kind of creativity until the earl= y New Wave/Punk movements in the late 70's and early 80's........even so=2C there has always been a = kind of cynicism that has accompanied a lot of the musical movements (well=2C perhaps not the New Age movement=2C= but I just couldn't relate....lol) since those times in modern popular movements............well=2C either cyn= icism or the kind of mindless drug escapism that accompanied the Rave scene. The Psy Trance scene se= ems to have some kinship with those earlier days but I'm=2C personally=2C just not all that enamored=2C e= motionally=2C with that type of music. Okay=2C I ramble...................but after all those psychedlics and psy= cho-tropic drugs (and others) I suppose it's a good thing that I can still muster complete sentences.....= .....lol rick walker = --_65ebb306-6488-4714-a728-90637648510c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As more a child of the 70s than the 60s I add The Sex Pistols=2C The Clash= =2C Ramones=2C Talking Heads=2C etc...
To tag on to Rick's comments: My = oldest son=2C who is 21=2C is an inspiration to me to re-visit and re-live = my youthful ideals--doing good deeds=2C living frugally=2C and=2C as you sa= id: eschewing the dominant paradigm. He calls me on my slack=2C makes me re= ally think about why I do the things I do ( work in govt.) and questions au= thority. He just left Cambodia where he helped build water purification sys= tems for rural villages and is now in Thailand working with kids.
My yo= ungest -18yo=2C also makes me think critically about my 'liberal' ideals by= having to actually explain the goodness of caring about others rather than= living for myself only --which is too damn easy at my age.
I guess the= y don't constitute a mass consciousness but who knows that they may inspire= their generation to rise up from the garbage of the Glenn Becks=2C O'Reill= ys=2C and other self centered self focused selfish louts.
Peace out on t= hese subdued holidaze
J.D.Devros

Date: We= d=2C 22 Dec 2010 15:36:21 -0800
From: g_demarest@yahoo.com
Subject: R= e: RE: the 60's
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
CC: Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com

I may be lynched for saying it=2C but the 70s did offe= r up Frippertronics=2C Gentle Giant=2C Van der Graaf=2C Gong=2C =3B
Mahavishnu=2C Return to Forever=2C tons of great Zappa=2C King Crims= on=2C Henry Cow=2C Yes=2C Genesis=2C etc.

I guess = it depends on your lens.

gfd

From: Rick Walker <=3Blooppool@cruzio.com>=3B=
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tue=2C December 21=2C 2010 4:34:57 PM
Subject: Re: RE: the 60's



Michael Peters wrote:
>=3B from a 56 yr old geezer: were the 7= 0's really that bad? not to me

From a 57 year old geezer (lol=2C&nbs= p=3B I've never actually thought of myself as either old
or a geezer but= it's fun for this conversation) =3B the 70's (especially the middle 70= 's)
were particularly depressing because=2C as a musician=2C =3B I w= itnessed all the freedom and creativity
and openness of the Hippy moveme= nt supplanted by wide spread cultural depression and
cynicism (I can onl= y speak of Northern California where I lived). =3B  =3B I saw this= beautiful
blossoming of culture and creativity usurped by the music ind= ustry who had figured out
how much money could be made off of youth cult= ure. =3B I watched the fantastic free FM radio
stations of the Bay = Area with all of their amazingly eclectic radio shows put out of business a= nd replaced by corporate run FM stations with play lists. =3B  =3B = I watched the Major Musical Labels muscle in on regional
American music and try as ha= rd as they could to establish monopolies.
It was a very depressing time = to me=2C but I was also a very angry young man struggling with my own
in= ternal demons so that had to have clouded the experience.

I wouldn't= see another blossoming of that kind of creativity until the early New Wave= /Punk movements
in the late 70's and early 80's........even so=2C = =3B there has always been a kind of cynicism that has accompanied
a lot = of the musical movements (well=2C perhaps not the New Age movement=2C but I= just couldn't relate....lol)
since those times in modern popular moveme= nts............well=2C either cynicism or the kind of mindless
drug esca= pism that accompanied the Rave scene. =3B  =3B  =3B The Psy Tra= nce scene seems to have some kinship with
those earlier days but I'm=2C = personally=2C just not all that enamored=2C emotionally=2C with that type o= f music.

Okay=2C =3B I ramble...................but after all tho= se psychedlics and psycho-tropic drugs (and others)
I suppose it's a goo= d thing that I can still muster complete sentences..........lol

rick= walker





= --_65ebb306-6488-4714-a728-90637648510c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 00:15:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A584D183486; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <815351.13326.qm@web114510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <2984402612C34FD78AF00709192DFF39@mpeserver> <4D1139A1.7080607@cruzio.com> <815351.13326.qm@web114510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--923958398 Message-Id: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> From: Revfever Subject: Re: the 70's (and The Residents forthcoming gigs!) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:15:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=6.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RDNS_NONE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on obf2.tritico.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:15:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--923958398 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Dec 22, 2010, at 3:36 PM, George Demarest wrote: > I may be lynched for saying it, but the 70s did offer up > Frippertronics, Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf, Gong, > Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, tons of great Zappa, King Crimson, > Henry Cow, Yes, Genesis, etc. > > I guess it depends on your lens. > > gfd I concur. And, don't forget THE RESIDENTS. They began in the 70's as well. And also JM Jarre, Cluster, Roxy Music (and ENO) and Richard Pinhas / Heldon and many others... Alpha-Bits, Rev. Fever PS- Speaking of THE RESIDENTS, they are doing a show with PRIMUS in Oakland at the Fox Theater SOON on Dec.30th for any of you that are in that area! (Rick W? And...?) http://www.songkick.com/concerts/7085826-primus-at-fox-theater The Rezzies are also performing HERE in Portland on March 17th at the Wonder Ballroom. I AM THERE! Hurray! http://www.songkick.com/concerts/7616131-residents-at-wonder-ballroom > From: Rick Walker > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 4:34:57 PM > Subject: Re: RE: the 60's > > > > Michael Peters wrote: > > from a 56 yr old geezer: were the 70's really that bad? not to me > > From a 57 year old geezer (lol, I've never actually thought of > myself as either old > or a geezer but it's fun for this conversation) the 70's > (especially the middle 70's) > were particularly depressing because, as a musician, I witnessed > all the freedom and creativity > and openness of the Hippy movement supplanted by wide spread > cultural depression and > cynicism (I can only speak of Northern California where I > lived). I saw this beautiful > blossoming of culture and creativity usurped by the music industry > who had figured out > how much money could be made off of youth culture. I watched the > fantastic free FM radio > stations of the Bay Area with all of their amazingly eclectic radio > shows put out of business and replaced by corporate run FM stations > with play lists. I watched the Major Musical Labels muscle in on > regional > American music and try as hard as they could to establish monopolies. > It was a very depressing time to me, but I was also a very angry > young man struggling with my own > internal demons so that had to have clouded the experience. > > I wouldn't see another blossoming of that kind of creativity until > the early New Wave/Punk movements > in the late 70's and early 80's........even so, there has always > been a kind of cynicism that has accompanied > a lot of the musical movements (well, perhaps not the New Age > movement, but I just couldn't relate....lol) > since those times in modern popular movements............well, > either cynicism or the kind of mindless > drug escapism that accompanied the Rave scene. The Psy Trance > scene seems to have some kinship with > those earlier days but I'm, personally, just not all that enamored, > emotionally, with that type of music. > > Okay, I ramble...................but after all those psychedlics > and psycho-tropic drugs (and others) > I suppose it's a good thing that I can still muster complete > sentences..........lol > > rick walker > > > > > --Apple-Mail-1--923958398 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On Dec 22, = 2010, at 3:36 PM, George Demarest wrote:

I may be lynched for saying it, = but the 70s did offer up Frippertronics, Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf, = Gong, 
Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, = tons of great Zappa, King Crimson, Henry Cow, Yes, Genesis, = etc.

I guess it depends on your lens.

ht= tp://www.songkick.com/concerts/7085826-primus-at-fox-theater

The Rezzies are also performing HERE in Portland on = March 17th at the Wonder Ballroom.  I AM THERE!   = Hurray!


 Rick = Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 = 4:34:57 PM
 Re: RE: the = 60's



Michael Peters wrote:
> from a 56 yr = old geezer: were the 70's really that bad? not to me

=46rom a 57 = year old geezer (lol,  I've never actually thought of myself as = either old
or a geezer but it's fun for this conversation)  the = 70's (especially the middle 70's)
were particularly depressing = because, as a musician,  I witnessed all the freedom and = creativity
and openness of the Hippy movement supplanted by wide = spread cultural depression and
cynicism (I can only speak of Northern = California where I lived).    I saw this = beautiful
blossoming of culture and creativity usurped by the music = industry who had figured out
how much money could be made off of = youth culture.  I watched the fantastic free FM radio
stations = of the Bay Area with all of their amazingly eclectic radio shows put out = of business and replaced by corporate run FM stations with play = lists.    I watched the Major Musical Labels muscle in on = regional
American music and try as hard as they could to establish = monopolies.
It was a very depressing time to me, but I was also a = very angry young man struggling with my own
internal demons so that = had to have clouded the experience.

I wouldn't see another = blossoming of that kind of creativity until the early New Wave/Punk = movements
in the late 70's and early 80's........even so,  there = has always been a kind of cynicism that has accompanied
a lot of the = musical movements (well, perhaps not the New Age movement, but I just = couldn't relate....lol)
since those times in modern popular = movements............well, either cynicism or the kind of = mindless
drug escapism that accompanied the Rave scene.    =   The Psy Trance scene seems to have some kinship with
those = earlier days but I'm, personally, just not all that enamored, = emotionally, with that type of music.

Okay,  I = ramble...................but after all those psychedlics and = psycho-tropic drugs (and others)
I suppose it's a good thing that I = can still muster complete sentences..........lol

rick = walker






= --Apple-Mail-1--923958398-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 01:28:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCC63183459; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1047 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:28:56 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=dXdqMlMk69t2CcQ7LDSrFFm+qzJpGwVEWvZYuampd9dsWxZn6Hg41Js7CuRu2yoq; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <6904346.1293066688498.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:11:28 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: the 60's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9400a20d75dec3001cb704704095aea47a4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.28 Resent-Message-ID: <9ln7dD.A.6pG.YXqENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Rick, I respect your take on things and all of your experiences. They must've been magic at the time. Wonder years indeed. I remember very little of the era. I got a lot of memories second hand. I lived in fly-over country on a farm at the a** end of nowhere as a child. I remember watching my grandmother watching the casualty reports from Vietnam and fretting. Two neighbors on either side of us were there. One came back in a bag and the other minus three out of four limbs. There were fourteen names on my own high schools Vietnam Memorial. As with all cultural movements, there were I am sure the true believers and the opportunist free love and drug bunch along for the ride. I don't see the sixties as anything else other than another failed moment in the cultural eons. I had friends who I met through music, including one brilliant solo, Piedmont Bluesman, who also served in Vietnam. He told me stories of hippy girls spitting on him and calling him baby-killer. There were alot of those stories from my veteran friends. Sorry if I can't get on board with a bunch of rich, free love college kids who were fortunate enough to have parents who could buy them deferments while the poor white under-class and minorities got the dirty end of the cultural and economic stick and got p*ssed on for it. The zeitgeist was lovely. The execution terrible. As a child of the SST and Sub-Pop eighties punk movements, I became formed into the cynical mold that I am now. I trust no one. Not Fox News. Not MSNBC. Neither left nor right. Neither Wall Street or the Hippy after birth of an era. I admit to being an equal opportunity paranoid who believes that the twenty four hour cable news cycle is essentially the Special Olympics of bull-sh*t with a gigantic black hole of truth and fact at its' center. I admire and somehow envy your golden time and wish that I was a true believer in that way. I appreciate you sharing that and apologize to the list for a rant from a lurker. Lost But Respectful, Ransacker -----Original Message----- >From: Rick Walker >Sent: Dec 22, 2010 4:12 PM >To: richard sales >Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Re: the 60's > >On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, richard sales wrote: >> Well... the hippies also used hard core civil disobedience to express >> our anger! It was a thrilling time. >> The free love and drugs was just a bonus for some of us. For some it >> was the core of the experience. They're the ones who went on to Wall >> Street and commerce. Truth is, they missed the most glorious boat of >> the time. >LOL, There is a common joke that goes, "If you remember the 60's, then >you weren't there." >Sadly, sometimes I think that if you weren't there you just don't get it. > >It's like Dickens said, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of >times". > >American children were probably the most dysfunctional in our National >history. Many (and NOT the majority) >were angry but they also wanted to buy out of the materialistic culture >that had emerged from all the wealth >and conformity that characterized our culture at the end of World War 2. > >I always think it is dangerous to put too much emphasis on a time in >one's life when one is first learning about the world and trying to come >to terms with it's inequities (and it's delights) but there was some kind >of magic in that time, at least for me. > >The one thing that I do miss about it was the , of course, >intrinsically naive, notion that we could >somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant >paradigm..........we could make a culture >that was less racist, less sexist, less ageist, less sizeist, etc., etc. > >there was a feeling, artistically, that anything was possible and that, >I believe is what led to the explosion >in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts are to me >personally.....lol). > >that part of it was wonderful where I lived (and at my tender age (I was >14 in '67 but had a sister 4 years older >who was taking me to concerts and parties and be-ins all the time----she >took my brother and I to >the Monterey Pop Festival and to the Filmore Auditorium on my 16th >birthday and turned me on, bless her heart) > >Youth seem far more cynical these days (and I teach them a lot so I have >some experience saying this). >I suppose we can't blame them after they had to watch George Bush stay >in office for eight years and all it represents, psychically and >politically. > >I always wish I could give them a little tiny bit of that naive idealism >we had at that time........ >.....that sense that anything is possible. > >It was a good think even though some of my memory about that time is dim >(lol). > >rick walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 01:48:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4370183461; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293068902; bh=jfX56wjwwqdbsgTtvlDNfLJC6rSGU0uXm7rEQts41bw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XKm2ATzEQjX7Y5KW0fbOptKLS0D+Qgkv0ZoW9YkR0Gn939jjwwmKD0UnVr0Vyv02U/BaC69rf6fsEnVicP0VJ/6UDy1K3/icykLtF99Op66kKXPlMBMuedxJ7wVLW88ljQVKMsjQkObVYQelbuVugBhqhqyw/Ya4TOUDD8VOCEQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dRxmdheAsoO9BghW6oNRxW5VD616PCcejS6AZNZr65QteDqG9D3gk6z14vJYe+mQMB/FQ8iONbJOoEGf3U+kZFUG4Y84xQcIElttpFwKQE/v+HPFWsP2sDP8n1sNqQhNFKNxGy83bj44oRA6/rNlalEkVusxzqAnBAtEF9MeM/k=; Message-ID: <164667.93491.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7Pa3IXgVM1k9Jb9r0_qGmbZ42uZdVjE7VvXVlFcqIT8wvRq aJ9s94gDQM2f4bZmA35te50RlnUQd2DR3R.f1H0I5tSpAedwU43auUDXYpTb qNMzC_6ujnqZnQ1bTI9OMmIiDdtG1aCgzwihBqzsXmXmKH4it03J.p9uTct. U8X.8BaZbKWviOsJihgGXHi1xzWoHt8aBI7XGyt9J97Aja_wzXMBHB6zXUX7 pGvJgiUoRy9DBJhWuAjSKZKSUFwaLMiKyugsgqCcWIfkjnbtUjQ7.XS.XjLc D3dBWG9R__fp3sz7GbGRgsiivZwIVJiVAdDhGtxKWhn48qMA__GIcb4DkV2g NaUR3gqd131Ajbgce_2AZuOqskDZ3bNAF7xRZK0evQ9N.O7TArEJIgUWU5aK s7wEprkmLZUuo X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:48:21 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Re: the 60's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D1285C4.80704@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-369487052-1293068901=:93491" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:48:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-369487052-1293068901=:93491 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well said. --- On Wed, 12/22/10, Rick Walker wrote: From: Rick Walker Subject: Re: Re: the 60's To: "richard sales" Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 6:12 PM On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, richard sales wrote: > Well... the hippies also used hard core civil disobedience to express our= anger!=A0 It was a thrilling time. > The free love and drugs was just a bonus for some of us.=A0 For some it w= as the core of the experience.=A0 They're the ones who went on to Wall Stre= et and commerce. Truth is, they missed the most glorious boat of the time. LOL,=A0 There is a common joke that goes,=A0 "If you remember the 60's, the= n you weren't there." Sadly,=A0 sometimes I think that if you weren't there you just don't get it= . It's like Dickens said,=A0 "It was the best of times, it was the worst of t= imes". American children were probably the most dysfunctional in our National hist= ory.=A0 Many (and NOT the majority) were angry but they also wanted to buy out of the materialistic culture tha= t had emerged from all the wealth and conformity that characterized our culture at the end of World War 2. I always think it is dangerous to put too much emphasis on a time in one's = life when one is first learning about the world and trying to come to terms= with it's inequities (and it's delights) but there was some kind of magic in that time, at least for me. The one thing that I do miss about it was the ,=A0 of course, intrinsically= naive, notion that we could somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant paradigm......= ....we could make a culture that was less racist, less sexist, less ageist, less sizeist, etc., etc. there was a feeling, artistically, that anything was possible and that, I b= elieve is what led to the explosion in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts are to me pe= rsonally.....lol). that part of it was wonderful where I lived (and at my tender age (I was 14= in '67 but had a sister 4 years older who was taking me to concerts and parties and be-ins all the time----she to= ok my brother and I to the Monterey Pop Festival and to the Filmore Auditorium on my 16th birthday= and turned me on, bless her heart) Youth seem far more cynical these days (and I teach them a lot so I have so= me experience saying this). I suppose we can't blame them after they had to watch George Bush stay in o= ffice for eight years and all it represents, psychically and politically. I always wish I could give them a little tiny bit of that naive idealism we= had at that time........ .....that sense that anything is possible. It was a good think even though some of my memory about that time is dim (l= ol). rick walker =0A=0A=0A --0-369487052-1293068901=:93491 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just an FYI, I am buying one in any case. I c= ertainly don't want to have any negative light placed on the Boomerang. I w= as just curious (and confused) at the product descriptions on the two websi= tes I visited.

--- On Tue, 12/21/10, Matt Davignon <mattdav= ignon@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com>= ;
Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price
To: Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 6:33 PM=

Actually, the Amazon page doesn't specify either way= whether a power
supply is included. Most items of this type have a "spe= cifications"
section of the product description that would include this<= BR>information.

That this section is missing, and the "Customers Who= Bought This Item
Also Bought..." lists a power supply, there is definit= ely a strong
implication that it comes without a power supply...

= On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Mike <mnelson@boomerangmusic.com> wrote:
> =        Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I just= sent the following
> email to our rep that handles Amazon:
>>        "Amazon is selling the III without a powe= r supply. The product is
> indivisible and comprises a III, power supply & manual. Negative chatter is
> occurring on some forums = regarding "our" gouging practices. Please have them
> stop this.
&= gt;        They are either splitting the product up or = attempting to sell 2
> power supplies to each customer. Either way it= 's a deceptive trade
> practice."
>
>
> On 21-Dec-1= 0 9:33 AM, fh@flatheadband.com wrote:
>>
>> I love the "Customers Who Bought This Ite= m Also Bought..." suggestion
>> lists...a lot of times listing dup= licate
>> and/or redundant items.
>>
>>   &= nbsp;-------- Original Message --------
>>    Subject: R= e: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price
>>    Fr= om: Elmer Fuddski <jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com=
>> <mailto:jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com>>
>>    Date: M= on, December 20, 2010 7:19 pm
>>    To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com
>> <mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com>
>>
>>    Well, that's great. B= ut AMS & Amazon.com <http://Amazon.com> appear to
>> be positio= ning the Boomerang as
>>    power supply needed. Check o= ut this link:
>>
>>
>>  http://www.amazon.com/Boomerang-III-Phrase-Sampler-E-156/dp/= B0035WTPL0/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dmusical-instruments&qid=3D129= 2890362&sr=3D1-1
>>
>>  <http://www.amazon.com/Boomerang-III-Phrase-Sampler-E-156/= dp/B0035WTPL0/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dmusical-instruments&qid=3D= 1292890362&sr=3D1-1>
>>
>>    The Bo= omerang description on the above two sites
>> (www.americanmusical.com <http://www.americanmusical.com>
= >>    & amazon.com <http://amazon.com>) doesn't clarify this and it 'appe= ars'
>> as if the power supply is a needed
>>   &nbs= p;add-on.
>>
>>    'Sorry for any confusion if = I'm mis-reading their websites. I was about
>> to buy one last wee= k.
>>
>>    Jake
>>
>>  =  --- On *Mon, 12/20/10, Mike /<mnelson@boomerangmusic.com
>> <mailto= :mnelson@boomerangmusic.com>>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>      = ;  From: Mike <mnelson@boomerangmusic.com
>> <mailto:mnelson@boomerangmusic.com>= >
>>        Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Su= pply Not Included in Price
>>        To: Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> <mailto:Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com>
>>        Date: Monda= y, December 20, 2010, 2:34 PM
>>
>>       =  Hold on, partner. You're getting your wagon in front of the
>&g= t; horse... or something like that. Each and
>>     &nbs= p;  every pedal sold by Boomerang comes with a power supply, has alway= s
>> come with a power supply and will
>>     &= nbsp;  always come with a power supply if it is not a battery powered<= BR>>> pedal.
>>        Just to ensure th= at this comment does not go viral... ALL BOOMERANG
>> PEDALS ARE S= HIPPED WITH A POWER
>>        SUPPLY.
>&= gt;
>>        Merry Christmas.
>>
= >>        On 20-Dec-10 4:19 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
>>        >  Is this a= new trend? I can see a pedal that is optionally
>> BATTERY-POWERE= D not including a power
>>        supply but a=
>>        >  device that is NOT batte= ry-powered??? What good is the unit w/o
>> a power supply?
>= >        >  I can that making an items price= more attractive and possibly
>> competitive is an advantage of no= t
>>        including the
>>   &= nbsp;    >  power supply but is a power supplys wholesale= cost $18.00 in the
>> first place?
>>     &nbs= p;  >  No offense to the designer/manufacturer Mike, but it's = a little
>> gouge-y.
>>
>>       =  --
>>        Mike Nelson
>>        Secretary/Treasurer, Boomera= ng Management, Inc.
>>        General Partner = of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd.
>>
>>     &= nbsp;  ----------
>>
>>        "= Some products make you sound better;
>>        = ;Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better."
>>
>&g= t;        ----------
>>
>>   &nb= sp;    1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8= 509, Fax
>>
>>        http://www.boomerangmusic.com
>>
>>        Contact for repairs:<= BR>>>        Lee Hardesty
>>   &nbs= p;    1516 Victoria Drive
>>        Denton, TX 76209
>>        hardesty@mindspring.com </mc/= compose?to=3Dhardesty@mi= ndspring.com>
>>        940-382-3253>>
>>        Billing Address:
>&g= t;        Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd.
>> =        PO Box 3788
>>       &nb= sp;Grapevine, TX 76099-3788
>>
>>
>
> --
&= gt;
> Mike Nelson
> Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, = Inc.
> General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd.
>> ----------
>
> "Some products make you sound better;
&= gt;  Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better."
>
>= ----------
>
> 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * = 1-817-251-8509, Fax
>
> http://www.boomerangmusic.com
>
> Conta= ct for repairs:
> Lee Hardesty
> 1516 Victoria Drive
> De= nton, TX  76209
> hardesty@mindspring.com
> 940-382-3253
>
> Billi= ng Address:
> Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd.
> PO Box 3788> Grapevine, TX  76099-3788
>
>



--
= Matt Davignon
mattdavig= non@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt

Well said.

--- On Wed, 12/22/10, Ri= ck Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
Subject: Re: = Re: the 60's
To: "richard sales" <richard@glasswing.com>
Cc: Lo= opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 6:= 12 PM

On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, richard sales wr= ote:
> Well... the hippies also used hard core civil disobedience to = express our anger!  It was a thrilling time.
> The free love and= drugs was just a bonus for some of us.  For some it was the core of t= he experience.  They're the ones who went on to Wall Street and commer= ce. Truth is, they missed the most glorious boat of the time.
LOL, = There is a common joke that goes,  "If you remember the 60's, then you were= n't there."
Sadly,  sometimes I think that if you weren't there you= just don't get it.

It's like Dickens said,  "It was the best o= f times, it was the worst of times".

American children were probably= the most dysfunctional in our National history.  Many (and NOT the ma= jority)
were angry but they also wanted to buy out of the materialistic = culture that had emerged from all the wealth
and conformity that charact= erized our culture at the end of World War 2.

I always think it is d= angerous to put too much emphasis on a time in one's life when one is first= learning about the world and trying to come to terms with it's inequities = (and it's delights) but there was some kind
of magic in that time, at le= ast for me.

The one thing that I do miss about it was the ,  of= course, intrinsically naive, notion that we could
somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant paradigm..........we could m= ake a culture
that was less racist, less sexist, less ageist, less sizei= st, etc., etc.

there was a feeling, artistically, that anything was = possible and that, I believe is what led to the explosion
in creativity = in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts are to me personally.....l= ol).

that part of it was wonderful where I lived (and at my tender a= ge (I was 14 in '67 but had a sister 4 years older
who was taking me to = concerts and parties and be-ins all the time----she took my brother and I t= o
the Monterey Pop Festival and to the Filmore Auditorium on my 16th bir= thday and turned me on, bless her heart)

Youth seem far more cynical= these days (and I teach them a lot so I have some experience saying this).=
I suppose we can't blame them after they had to watch George Bush stay = in office for eight years and all it represents, psychically and politically.

I always wish I could give them a little tiny bit of t= hat naive idealism we had at that time........
.....that sense that anyt= hing is possible.

It was a good think even though some of my memory = about that time is dim (lol).

rick walker

=

=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-369487052-1293068901=:93491-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 03:38:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06E44183459; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 03:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <8CD7033709E479F-1768-2219@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com> <4D12862A.8010707@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7405546F-ACF5-42DC-A369-FBD4C6BE1ABE@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:38:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=6.0 tests=RDNS_NONE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on host.newworlddelivery.com Resent-Message-ID: <0XCVR.A.FOB.RRsENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 03:38:58 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 22, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Jim W. wrote: > well, yes; but nothing is really going to be around to "happen" after > December, 2012 anyway. Right? I loved it when, back in the Summer sometime, some Mayan shamans were telling the US press that Americans (and maybe some others elsewhere?) should just chill out over the whole silly "2012!" thing. Those shamans said that sure, there would be at least *some* kind of "change" or "changes" happening, but it certainly was not the "end of the world" or that there would be anything that was truly "Earth shattering" etc. But hey, what do they know, right? Hey, they're "only" actual Mayan shamans and WE are Western "educated" Americans! So of course WE KNOW BETTER! (Uh-huh. Riiiight) Cap'n Crunch, Rev. Fever > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rick Walker > wrote: >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> but the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things >>> really are >>> moving faster! >> >> My wife Chris, who is up on these things, said the next one is >> 2014. I >> didn't verify it >> but she's rarely wrong about her research into anything......one >> of the >> sharpest human beings >> I've ever met. >> >> rick walker >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 04:42:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED237183457; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 04:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5LB7HIhmnXeFt5qtWBhJizC329/CMsy04l9LwKWpaKQ=; b=LGK8ociehwO3OUxM+L3gVXrDukjlcP5FNQaeh5qBbNkgTSZtJM7bPSjCYQnldJ5VDW DmMxc7nkD56RZhTUPM1VOomcmZ4E3OKA+b2t9HCNkX4JZyYfQZ3asPd5hfzDWsJtWZTE 7GlJFdwb7aFqvANA9sP0JBaSBM9HNNZI/bmK8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=PehkgqWAyYru0x5FH/g3eV6Nhy9y6rKt1nBbkGa1cifLEa5RWCCdmd9xm0TBe0jjnG s2da5aMX3lfgwK1VU2/O/NvHbqHxdiGSJ5F4ceWi1Lmkoc1IOEfyWIG8oTlgilMS/051 faop19td6GJg4Vz4CQyxdHlsAvPH9BF4tB1AU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <164667.93491.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4D1285C4.80704@cruzio.com> <164667.93491.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:42:43 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: the 60's From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6153de2932fe04980c804b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 04:42:47 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6153de2932fe04980c804b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I was born in 66 so I get some say here I think :-) I have recently begun to live my life by a piece of wisdom that Miles Davis delivered to me in a dream; We Define Our Own Location. Things are better than they seem, things are worse than they seem. Its up to each and every one of us to determine what any of it means to us and what we want to do with it. And it seems to me that is true in every moment for every person in every decade. Kevin On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > Well said. > > > --- On *Wed, 12/22/10, Rick Walker * wrote: > > > From: Rick Walker > Subject: Re: Re: the 60's > To: "richard sales" > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 6:12 PM > > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, richard sales wrote: > > Well... the hippies also used hard core civil disobedience to express our > anger! It was a thrilling time. > > The free love and drugs was just a bonus for some of us. For some it was > the core of the experience. They're the ones who went on to Wall Street and > commerce. Truth is, they missed the most glorious boat of the time. > LOL, There is a common joke that goes, "If you remember the 60's, then > you weren't there." > Sadly, sometimes I think that if you weren't there you just don't get it. > > It's like Dickens said, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of > times". > > American children were probably the most dysfunctional in our National > history. Many (and NOT the majority) > were angry but they also wanted to buy out of the materialistic culture > that had emerged from all the wealth > and conformity that characterized our culture at the end of World War 2. > > I always think it is dangerous to put too much emphasis on a time in one's > life when one is first learning about the world and trying to come to terms > with it's inequities (and it's delights) but there was some kind > of magic in that time, at least for me. > > The one thing that I do miss about it was the , of course, intrinsically > naive, notion that we could > somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant > paradigm..........we could make a culture > that was less racist, less sexist, less ageist, less sizeist, etc., etc. > > there was a feeling, artistically, that anything was possible and that, I > believe is what led to the explosion > in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts are to me > personally.....lol). > > that part of it was wonderful where I lived (and at my tender age (I was 14 > in '67 but had a sister 4 years older > who was taking me to concerts and parties and be-ins all the time----she > took my brother and I to > the Monterey Pop Festival and to the Filmore Auditorium on my 16th birthday > and turned me on, bless her heart) > > Youth seem far more cynical these days (and I teach them a lot so I have > some experience saying this). > I suppose we can't blame them after they had to watch George Bush stay in > office for eight years and all it represents, psychically and politically. > > I always wish I could give them a little tiny bit of that naive idealism we > had at that time........ > .....that sense that anything is possible. > > It was a good think even though some of my memory about that time is dim > (lol). > > rick walker > > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos --90e6ba6153de2932fe04980c804b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was born in 66 so I get some say here I think :-)

I ha= ve recently begun to live my life by a piece of wisdom that Miles Davis del= ivered to me in a dream; We Define Our Own Location. =A0Things are better t= han they seem, things are worse than they seem. =A0Its up to each and every= one of us to determine what any of it means to us and what we want to do w= ith it. =A0And it seems to me that is true in every moment for every person= in every decade.

Kevin

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010= at 5:48 PM, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:
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--90e6ba6153de2932fe04980c804b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 05:43:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBC60183457; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 05:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bc1f7a39-ce56-4e72-a414-efd4f1567fd9_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 05:43:32 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4D12862A.8010707@cruzio.com> References: <8CD7033709E479F-1768-2219@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com>,<4D12862A.8010707@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2010 05:43:32.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[558B6860:01CBA264] Resent-Message-ID: <6HljDD.A.RsD.GGuENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 05:43:34 +0000 (UTC) --_bc1f7a39-ce56-4e72-a414-efd4f1567fd9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The next lunar eclipse is 2014 but the next one on the solstice will be 209= 4 - I think I'm gonna miss that one.. =20 Peace =20 G =20 > Date: Wed=2C 22 Dec 2010 15:13:46 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.como > To: nemoguitt@aol.com > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice >=20 > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > but the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are= =20 > > moving faster!=20 > My wife Chris=2C who is up on these things=2C said the next one is 2014. = I=20 > didn't verify it > but she's rarely wrong about her research into anything......one of the=20 > sharpest human beings > I've ever met. >=20 > rick walker >=20 = --_bc1f7a39-ce56-4e72-a414-efd4f1567fd9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The next lunar eclipse is 2014 but the next one on the solstice will be 209= 4 - I think I'm gonna miss that one..
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= = --_bc1f7a39-ce56-4e72-a414-efd4f1567fd9_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 06:38:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C60E183453; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 06:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:38:41 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Revfever CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: the 70's (and The Residents forthcoming gigs!) References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> In-Reply-To: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 06:38:51 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Revfever wrote: > PS- Speaking of THE RESIDENTS, they are doing a show with PRIMUS in > Oakland at the Fox Theater SOON on Dec.30th for any of you that are > in that area! (Rick W? And...?) > http://www.songkick.com/concerts/7085826-primus-at-fox-theater I got to open for the Residents a few years ago and it was such a peak experience for me that I think I might not go see them again. I always appreciated them, frankly, but never loved them like so many people did. I seemed to have an atypical relationship to a lot of artists that are dearly loved by lots of people on this list. I always appreciated Zappa but never loved him..... the same with King Crimson, Fripp, Primus, the Residents, Mr. Bungle, Captain Beefheart, Tom Waits. ********************************* warning, the next bit is really self indulgent, so you can skip over it......it's just a bunch of stuff that I love.............. ********************************* I always feel like a heretic admitting this, but the people I've loved have been people like the Beatles, the early Stones, a ton of early British Invasion when it was on the riff rock side of things, Cream, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, Joni Mitchell, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, Peter Gabriel (but not so much anymore), James Brown, Motown and Stax/Volt 60's soul, Roots Reggae, African Pop music, Middleeastern Pop music, Nine Inch Nails,the Cure (but nothing, really, after Disentegration), Boards of Canada, Aphex Twin (but not the later stuff), Autechre (but only the middle period), Bjork, the Knife, Fever Ray, Sufjan Stevens, Elliot Smith, Miles Davis (particularly his modal period and early fusion periods), Ralph Vaugh Williams, Maurice Ravel and then a lot of records by people that ended up being their worst selling records: Veedon Fleece by Van Morrison Happy/Sad by Tim Buckley Along the Red Ledge by Hall & Oates Heroes and Low by Bowie Before and After Science by Brian Eno Kiko by Los Lobos and then I really round this odd list off with individual tracks by straight up pop artists like Missy Elliot, Eminem, Chrisina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, Madonna, Evelyn 'Champagne' King, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Thomas Dolby, Peter Murphy, Kings of Leon, MGMT and the list goes. this reminds me: I'm in a particular love affair with simple riff rock lately and playing as minimally as I've ever played with Done Beginner my wife's band........using really big, thick drum sticks......listening to the Kills, the Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs, the Dead Weather, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club (their rockier stuff), Filter, Local H, Nirvana, Soundgarden, New Order (this great record that didn't sell well for them called 'Get Ready'), Editors and even some early U2. okay, there's more, but I'm rambling........... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 06:54:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A13D183457; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 06:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D12F224.80103@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:54:28 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Howell CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: the 60's References: <6904346.1293066688498.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <6904346.1293066688498.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6UBY3.A.k5F.tIvENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 06:54:37 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Todd Howell wrote: > Rick, > > I respect your take on things and all of your experiences. They must've been magic at the time. Wonder years indeed. Thanks for saying it, Todd! > I remember very little of the era. I got a lot of memories second hand. I lived in fly-over country on a farm at the a** end of nowhere as a child. I remember watching my grandmother watching the casualty reports from Vietnam and fretting. Two neighbors on either side of us were there. One came back in a bag and the other minus three out of four limbs. There were fourteen names on my own high schools Vietnam Memorial. > > As with all cultural movements, there were I am sure the true believers and the opportunist free love and drug bunch along for the ride. I don't see the sixties as anything else other than another failed moment in the cultural eons. I had friends who I met through music, including one brilliant solo, Piedmont Bluesman, who also served in Vietnam. He told me stories of hippy girls spitting on him and calling him baby-killer. There were alot of those stories from my veteran friends. Sorry if I can't get on board with a bunch of rich, free love college kids who were fortunate enough to have parents who could buy them deferments while the poor white under-class and minorities got the dirty end of the cultural and economic stick and got p*ssed on for it. The zeitgeist was lovely. The execution terrible. Oh, I completely agree with you. It wasn't perfect. In fact the amount of naivete and self entitlement (and you pegged it: much of it upper middle class) was really dysfunctional and annoying......like the young hippy chick who walked into Union Grove Music today at closing and was put out that she couldn't just come in and jam on a guitar that she had no intention of ever buy.......ouch!!!). It was a very complex time (as all times are for all people) so I was just reminiscing about some of the sweet things about that time. I certainly don't have rose colored spectacles on when thinking about it. It was an enormously painful time, emotionally, for me in my life at the time to be really honest. > As a child of the SST and Sub-Pop eighties punk movements, I became formed into the cynical mold that I am now. I trust no one. Not Fox News. Not MSNBC. Neither left nor right. Neither Wall Street or the Hippy after birth of an era. I admit to being an equal opportunity paranoid who believes that the twenty four hour cable news cycle is essentially the Special Olympics of bull-sh*t with a gigantic black hole of truth and fact at its' center. > > I admire and somehow envy your golden time and wish that I was a true believer in that way. I appreciate you sharing that and apologize to the list for a rant from a lurker. No man, what I love about this list is that everyone pipes in (or is at least encouraged to do so). Your perspective is no more or less valid than mine or anyone's on this list. To me, the key word in all you wrote was 'respectful'. I think if we all appreciate diversity and not expect other human beings to share our experiences or our conclusions and if we honestly hold respect in our hearts that the world has a chance of improving. Glad you un-lurked and look forward to more of your thoughts in the future. rick > Lost But Respectful, > > Ransacker > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Rick Walker >> Sent: Dec 22, 2010 4:12 PM >> To: richard sales >> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Re: the 60's >> >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, richard sales wrote: >>> Well... the hippies also used hard core civil disobedience to express >>> our anger! It was a thrilling time. >>> The free love and drugs was just a bonus for some of us. For some it >>> was the core of the experience. They're the ones who went on to Wall >>> Street and commerce. Truth is, they missed the most glorious boat of >>> the time. >> LOL, There is a common joke that goes, "If you remember the 60's, then >> you weren't there." >> Sadly, sometimes I think that if you weren't there you just don't get it. >> >> It's like Dickens said, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of >> times". >> >> American children were probably the most dysfunctional in our National >> history. Many (and NOT the majority) >> were angry but they also wanted to buy out of the materialistic culture >> that had emerged from all the wealth >> and conformity that characterized our culture at the end of World War 2. >> >> I always think it is dangerous to put too much emphasis on a time in >> one's life when one is first learning about the world and trying to come >> to terms with it's inequities (and it's delights) but there was some kind >> of magic in that time, at least for me. >> >> The one thing that I do miss about it was the , of course, >> intrinsically naive, notion that we could >> somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant >> paradigm..........we could make a culture >> that was less racist, less sexist, less ageist, less sizeist, etc., etc. >> >> there was a feeling, artistically, that anything was possible and that, >> I believe is what led to the explosion >> in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts are to me >> personally.....lol). >> >> that part of it was wonderful where I lived (and at my tender age (I was >> 14 in '67 but had a sister 4 years older >> who was taking me to concerts and parties and be-ins all the time----she >> took my brother and I to >> the Monterey Pop Festival and to the Filmore Auditorium on my 16th >> birthday and turned me on, bless her heart) >> >> Youth seem far more cynical these days (and I teach them a lot so I have >> some experience saying this). >> I suppose we can't blame them after they had to watch George Bush stay >> in office for eight years and all it represents, psychically and >> politically. >> >> I always wish I could give them a little tiny bit of that naive idealism >> we had at that time........ >> .....that sense that anything is possible. >> >> It was a good think even though some of my memory about that time is dim >> (lol). >> >> rick walker >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 07:13:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD1F9183457; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 07:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:references:from:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=QpS8GIbQxLEZ9wyWNsTuAY/cLFSEyFjk82D9A3arKtg=; b=YSE/xRbmP9ieR9UoMO/lhnyAFMrU23jP0mlD3eojNcBYF8+wlBvLxUkuqY7k8yBwWa nLMdkvSQW14EDkyhOFPpZ3INwZv1tDRijTC3IA2CbvIqeo4A8i00H1L282MMEuceRnDz of3Je9wPz9kqw7lsb6thVQyKbM9WzH+/yLS7o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=Ir7dnvDs2gh/uqT6HakWw/vYPWUkCTHMAh6EnDM455hGuM6Qydlk7HMVzZ02pqthQ+ pRZ/Qlz+eW7qXXO6s+nE9UBl4M0u3DpHLLtjHN25tv8pezFWVEvweogF6Lq1xxDlZWY7 S2sSN/tteARagwIi6HLnBivCXWB+/rMjyJms8= References: <8CD7033709E479F-1768-2219@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com> <4D12862A.8010707@cruzio.com> <7405546F-ACF5-42DC-A369-FBD4C6BE1ABE@ubergadget.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <7405546F-ACF5-42DC-A369-FBD4C6BE1ABE@ubergadget.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:13:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3158992623014026785@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 07:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 23 Dec 2010, at 04:39, Revfever wrote: > Hey, they're "only" actual Mayan shamans and WE are Western "educated" Americans! > So of course WE KNOW BETTER! (Uh-huh. Riiiight) Oh no... Is it me or has everyone lost their minds? Wait mark... Think before you post... Wait and see if this dude was being serious... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 07:25:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 039BC183456; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 07:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:references:from:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=KsYpIuVB6SqhnP4BraIvzM+H+Q5bkzWzghtlk0VJoEs=; b=Ph0o/ZVKyOEKlP9gO0cm4GR3PlkUhRNk5sM4uzqsKO1IBhJuUU2K92ndJLUMCGajtp NPP/i3c5M4rb9HRAJROyW8ASCVRzJSMnLDffke7aserX5ZBBj5ybBsA8XTwRWHSx18jB LtzKNkl5uf+/J8VeWq9kx7YNTo5Whj7qFfCsk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=dQC6fQ6XACu4kRksFLnlXZyLQFjawPiUryZo9RsjDGsUlodcY7uv991B7TVM5DBLD/ hO02FIB39bjKGh9h10NTgTsn5/ko82k1Gyg0uc9JxKJkLgsdnzp1XFvV9Syo2Bi7uj2H gC67V1tqmLBFdC//8U5qzvJhAIpuzBL7Gl8VQ= References: <2984402612C34FD78AF00709192DFF39@mpeserver> <4D1139A1.7080607@cruzio.com> <815351.13326.qm@web114510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <815351.13326.qm@web114510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:26:03 +0100 Message-ID: <-1899058765918600517@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: the 60's To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8fa28c6b5504980ec748 Resent-Message-ID: <3LWORC.A.PjG.AmvENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 07:25:52 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8fa28c6b5504980ec748 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No george i dont Think you will be lynched it seems like everyone elses record collection to me... I do own some if these but in no way think they stand for what was great about the 70s. (genesis...yes??? Are you kidding, ok prob not) But do agree the 70s did throw up the best music, but mine is a different list. Can, Kraftwerk, Faust, Throbbing Gristle, Caberet Voltaire, Roxy music, pistols, And oh so much more... Mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 23 Dec 2010, at 00:36, George Demarest wrote: I may be lynched for saying it, but the 70s did offer up Frippertronics, Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf, Gong, Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, tons of great Zappa, King Crimson, Henry Cow, Yes, Genesis, etc. I guess it depends on your lens. gfd ------------------------------ *From:* Rick Walker *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com *Cc:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com *Sent:* Tue, December 21, 2010 4:34:57 PM *Subject:* Re: RE: the 60's Michael Peters wrote: > from a 56 yr old geezer: were the 70's really that bad? not to me >From a 57 year old geezer (lol, I've never actually thought of myself as either old or a geezer but it's fun for this conversation) the 70's (especially the middle 70's) were particularly depressing because, as a musician, I witnessed all the freedom and creativity and openness of the Hippy movement supplanted by wide spread cultural depression and cynicism (I can only speak of Northern California where I lived). I saw this beautiful blossoming of culture and creativity usurped by the music industry who had figured out how much money could be made off of youth culture. I watched the fantastic free FM radio stations of the Bay Area with all of their amazingly eclectic radio shows put out of business and replaced by corporate run FM stations with play lists. I watched the Major Musical Labels muscle in on regional American music and try as hard as they could to establish monopolies. It was a very depressing time to me, but I was also a very angry young man struggling with my own internal demons so that had to have clouded the experience. I wouldn't see another blossoming of that kind of creativity until the early New Wave/Punk movements in the late 70's and early 80's........even so, there has always been a kind of cynicism that has accompanied a lot of the musical movements (well, perhaps not the New Age movement, but I just couldn't relate....lol) since those times in modern popular movements............well, either cynicism or the kind of mindless drug escapism that accompanied the Rave scene. The Psy Trance scene seems to have some kinship with those earlier days but I'm, personally, just not all that enamored, emotionally, with that type of music. Okay, I ramble...................but after all those psychedlics and psycho-tropic drugs (and others) I suppose it's a good thing that I can still muster complete sentences..........lol rick walker --90e6ba6e8fa28c6b5504980ec748 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No george i dont Think you will be lyn= ched it seems like everyone elses record collection to me... I do own some = if these but in no way think they stand for what was great about the 70s. (= genesis...yes??? Are you kidding, ok prob not)
But do agree the 70s did throw up the best music, but mine is a differ= ent list. Can, Kraftwerk, Faust, Throbbing Gristle, Caberet Voltaire, Roxy = music, pistols, And oh so much more...

Mark



Sent from my (advertisement removed)=

On 23 Dec 2010, at 00:36, George Demarest <g_demarest@yahoo.com> wrote:

I may be lynched for saying it= , but the 70s did offer up Frippertronics, Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf, Gon= g,=A0
Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, tons of great Zappa, King Crimson, Henr= y Cow, Yes, Genesis, etc.

I guess it depends on yo= ur lens.

gfd

=
From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 4:34:57 PM
Subject: Re: RE: the 60's



Michael Peters wrote:
> from a 56 yr old geezer: were the 70&= #39;s really that bad? not to me

From a 57 year old geezer (lol,=A0 = I've never actually thought of myself as either old
or a geezer but = it's fun for this conversation)=A0 the 70's (especially the middle = 70's)
were particularly depressing because, as a musician,=A0 I witnessed all the= freedom and creativity
and openness of the Hippy movement supplanted by= wide spread cultural depression and
cynicism (I can only speak of North= ern California where I lived).=A0 =A0 I saw this beautiful
blossoming of culture and creativity usurped by the music industry who had = figured out
how much money could be made off of youth culture.=A0 I wat= ched the fantastic free FM radio
stations of the Bay Area with all of th= eir amazingly eclectic radio shows put out of business and replaced by corp= orate run FM stations with play lists.=A0 =A0 I watched the Major Musical Labels muscle in on regional
American music and try as ha= rd as they could to establish monopolies.
It was a very depressing time = to me, but I was also a very angry young man struggling with my own
internal demons so that had to have clouded the experience.

I wouldn= 't see another blossoming of that kind of creativity until the early Ne= w Wave/Punk movements
in the late 70's and early 80's........eve= n so,=A0 there has always been a kind of cynicism that has accompanied
a lot of the musical movements (well, perhaps not the New Age movement, but= I just couldn't relate....lol)
since those times in modern popular = movements............well, either cynicism or the kind of mindless
drug = escapism that accompanied the Rave scene.=A0 =A0 =A0 The Psy Trance scene s= eems to have some kinship with
those earlier days but I'm, personally, just not all that enamored, emo= tionally, with that type of music.

Okay,=A0 I ramble...................but after all those psyc= hedlics and psycho-tropic drugs (and others)
I suppose it's a good t= hing that I can still muster complete sentences..........lol

rick wa= lker





--90e6ba6e8fa28c6b5504980ec748-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 07:56:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEF26183457; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 07:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_49524343-f6a0-489e-b3f3-7e9ed514e313_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: the 60's Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 07:55:33 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4D12F224.80103@cruzio.com> References: <6904346.1293066688498.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>,<4D12F224.80103@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2010 07:55:32.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[C65F5C10:01CBA276] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 07:56:56 +0000 (UTC) --_49524343-f6a0-489e-b3f3-7e9ed514e313_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Todd I couldn't disagree more. You seem=2C incredibly=2C to be pro war= on the basis that you neighbours partook in it. Nevertheless=2C to quote Voltaire: "I disapprove of what you say=2C but I w= ill defend to the death your right to say it." =20 It's a testimony to this group that no-one=2C despite the broad range of op= inions expressed here=2C has been attacked for their views - now THAT'S fre= e speech! =20 Peace=2C love and enlightenment =20 Gareth=20 =20 > Date: Wed=2C 22 Dec 2010 22:54:28 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: ransacker@earthlink.net > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: Re: the 60's >=20 > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Todd Howell wrote: > > Rick=2C > > > > I respect your take on things and all of your experiences. They must've= been magic at the time. Wonder years indeed. > Thanks for saying it=2C Todd! > > I remember very little of the era. I got a lot of memories second hand.= I lived in fly-over country on a farm at the a** end of nowhere as a child= . I remember watching my grandmother watching the casualty reports from Vie= tnam and fretting. Two neighbors on either side of us were there. One came = back in a bag and the other minus three out of four limbs. There were fourt= een names on my own high schools Vietnam Memorial. > > > > As with all cultural movements=2C there were I am sure the true believe= rs and the opportunist free love and drug bunch along for the ride. I don't= see the sixties as anything else other than another failed moment in the c= ultural eons. I had friends who I met through music=2C including one brilli= ant solo=2C Piedmont Bluesman=2C who also served in Vietnam. He told me sto= ries of hippy girls spitting on him and calling him baby-killer. There were= alot of those stories from my veteran friends. Sorry if I can't get on boa= rd with a bunch of rich=2C free love college kids who were fortunate enough= to have parents who could buy them deferments while the poor white under-c= lass and minorities got the dirty end of the cultural and economic stick an= d got p*ssed on for it. The zeitgeist was lovely. The execution terrible. > Oh=2C I completely agree with you. It wasn't perfect. In fact the=20 > amount of naivete and self entitlement > (and you pegged it: much of it upper middle class) was really=20 > dysfunctional and annoying......like the young > hippy chick who walked into Union Grove Music today at closing and was=20 > put out that she couldn't just come > in and jam on a guitar that she had no intention of ever buy.......ouch!!= !). >=20 > It was a very complex time (as all times are for all people) so I was=20 > just reminiscing about some of the > sweet things about that time. I certainly don't have rose colored=20 > spectacles on when thinking about it. > It was an enormously painful time=2C emotionally=2C for me in my life at= =20 > the time to be really honest. > > As a child of the SST and Sub-Pop eighties punk movements=2C I became f= ormed into the cynical mold that I am now. I trust no one. Not Fox News. No= t MSNBC. Neither left nor right. Neither Wall Street or the Hippy after bir= th of an era. I admit to being an equal opportunity paranoid who believes t= hat the twenty four hour cable news cycle is essentially the Special Olympi= cs of bull-sh*t with a gigantic black hole of truth and fact at its' center= . > > > > I admire and somehow envy your golden time and wish that I was a true b= eliever in that way. I appreciate you sharing that and apologize to the lis= t for a rant from a lurker. >=20 > No man=2C what I love about this list is that everyone pipes in (or is at= =20 > least encouraged to do so). > Your perspective is no more or less valid than mine or anyone's on this=20 > list. >=20 > To me=2C the key word in all you wrote was 'respectful'. I think if we=20 > all appreciate diversity > and not expect other human beings to share our experiences or our=20 > conclusions and if we honestly > hold respect in our hearts that the world has a chance of improving. >=20 > Glad you un-lurked and look forward to more of your thoughts in the futur= e. >=20 > rick > > Lost But Respectful=2C > > > > Ransacker > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rick Walker > >> Sent: Dec 22=2C 2010 4:12 PM > >> To: richard sales > >> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Re: the 60's > >> > >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C richard sales wrote: > >>> Well... the hippies also used hard core civil disobedience to express > >>> our anger! It was a thrilling time. > >>> The free love and drugs was just a bonus for some of us. For some it > >>> was the core of the experience. They're the ones who went on to Wall > >>> Street and commerce. Truth is=2C they missed the most glorious boat o= f > >>> the time. > >> LOL=2C There is a common joke that goes=2C "If you remember the 60's= =2C then > >> you weren't there." > >> Sadly=2C sometimes I think that if you weren't there you just don't ge= t it. > >> > >> It's like Dickens said=2C "It was the best of times=2C it was the wors= t of > >> times". > >> > >> American children were probably the most dysfunctional in our National > >> history. Many (and NOT the majority) > >> were angry but they also wanted to buy out of the materialistic cultur= e > >> that had emerged from all the wealth > >> and conformity that characterized our culture at the end of World War = 2. > >> > >> I always think it is dangerous to put too much emphasis on a time in > >> one's life when one is first learning about the world and trying to co= me > >> to terms with it's inequities (and it's delights) but there was some k= ind > >> of magic in that time=2C at least for me. > >> > >> The one thing that I do miss about it was the =2C of course=2C > >> intrinsically naive=2C notion that we could > >> somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant > >> paradigm..........we could make a culture > >> that was less racist=2C less sexist=2C less ageist=2C less sizeist=2C = etc.=2C etc. > >> > >> there was a feeling=2C artistically=2C that anything was possible and = that=2C > >> I believe is what led to the explosion > >> in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts are to = me > >> personally.....lol). > >> > >> that part of it was wonderful where I lived (and at my tender age (I w= as > >> 14 in '67 but had a sister 4 years older > >> who was taking me to concerts and parties and be-ins all the time----s= he > >> took my brother and I to > >> the Monterey Pop Festival and to the Filmore Auditorium on my 16th > >> birthday and turned me on=2C bless her heart) > >> > >> Youth seem far more cynical these days (and I teach them a lot so I ha= ve > >> some experience saying this). > >> I suppose we can't blame them after they had to watch George Bush stay > >> in office for eight years and all it represents=2C psychically and > >> politically. > >> > >> I always wish I could give them a little tiny bit of that naive ideali= sm > >> we had at that time........ > >> .....that sense that anything is possible. > >> > >> It was a good think even though some of my memory about that time is d= im > >> (lol). > >> > >> rick walker > >> >=20 = --_49524343-f6a0-489e-b3f3-7e9ed514e313_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Todd I couldn't disagree more. You seem=2C incredibly=2C to be pro war=  =3Bon the basis that you neighbours partook in it.
Nevertheless=2C =3Bto quote Voltaire: "I disapprove of what you say=2C = but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
 =3B
It's a testimony to this group that no-one=2C despite the broad range of op= inions expressed =3Bhere=2C has been attacked for their =3Bviews - = now THAT'S free speech!
 =3B
Peace=2C love and enlightenment
 =3B
Gareth =3B
 =3B
>=3B Date: Wed=2C 22 Dec 2010 22:54:28 -0800
>=3B From: looppool@cru= zio.com
>=3B To: ransacker@earthlink.net
>=3B CC: Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: Re: Re: Re: the 60's
>=3B
= >=3B On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Todd Howell wrote:
>=3B >=3B Rick=2C>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B I respect your take on things and all of y= our experiences. They must've been magic at the time. Wonder years indeed.<= BR>>=3B Thanks for saying it=2C Todd!
>=3B >=3B I remember very li= ttle of the era. I got a lot of memories second hand. I lived in fly-over c= ountry on a farm at the a** end of nowhere as a child. I remember watching = my grandmother watching the casualty reports from Vietnam and fretting. Two= neighbors on either side of us were there. One came back in a bag and the = other minus three out of four limbs. There were fourteen names on my own hi= gh schools Vietnam Memorial.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B As with all = cultural movements=2C there were I am sure the true believers and the oppor= tunist free love and drug bunch along for the ride. I don't see the sixties= as anything else other than another failed moment in the cultural eons. I = had friends who I met through music=2C including one brilliant solo=2C Pied= mont Bluesman=2C who also served in Vietnam. He told me stories of hippy gi= rls spitting on him and calling him baby-killer. There were alot of those s= tories from my veteran friends. Sorry if I can't get on board with a bunch = of rich=2C free love college kids who were fortunate enough to have parents= who could buy them deferments while the poor white under-class and minorit= ies got the dirty end of the cultural and economic stick and got p*ssed on = for it. The zeitgeist was lovely. The execution terrible.
>=3B Oh=2C I= completely agree with you. It wasn't perfect. In fact the
>=3B amoun= t of naivete and self entitlement
>=3B (and you pegged it: much of it = upper middle class) was really
>=3B dysfunctional and annoying......l= ike the young
>=3B hippy chick who walked into Union Grove Music today= at closing and was
>=3B put out that she couldn't just come
>= =3B in and jam on a guitar that she had no intention of ever buy.......ouch= !!!).
>=3B
>=3B It was a very complex time (as all times are for= all people) so I was
>=3B just reminiscing about some of the
>= =3B sweet things about that time. I certainly don't have rose colored
&= gt=3B spectacles on when thinking about it.
>=3B It was an enormously = painful time=2C emotionally=2C for me in my life at
>=3B the time to = be really honest.
>=3B >=3B As a child of the SST and Sub-Pop eighti= es punk movements=2C I became formed into the cynical mold that I am now. I= trust no one. Not Fox News. Not MSNBC. Neither left nor right. Neither Wal= l Street or the Hippy after birth of an era. I admit to being an equal oppo= rtunity paranoid who believes that the twenty four hour cable news cycle is= essentially the Special Olympics of bull-sh*t with a gigantic black hole o= f truth and fact at its' center.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B I admire= and somehow envy your golden time and wish that I was a true believer in t= hat way. I appreciate you sharing that and apologize to the list for a rant= from a lurker.
>=3B
>=3B No man=2C what I love about this list = is that everyone pipes in (or is at
>=3B least encouraged to do so).<= BR>>=3B Your perspective is no more or less valid than mine or anyone's o= n this
>=3B list.
>=3B
>=3B To me=2C the key word in all y= ou wrote was 'respectful'. I think if we
>=3B all appreciate diversit= y
>=3B and not expect other human beings to share our experiences or o= ur
>=3B conclusions and if we honestly
>=3B hold respect in our = hearts that the world has a chance of improving.
>=3B
>=3B Glad = you un-lurked and look forward to more of your thoughts in the future.
&= gt=3B
>=3B rick
>=3B >=3B Lost But Respectful=2C
>=3B >= =3B
>=3B >=3B Ransacker
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B = >=3B -----Original Message-----
>=3B >=3B>=3B From: Rick Walker&= lt=3Blooppool@cruzio.com>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B Sent: Dec 22=2C 2010 = 4:12 PM
>=3B >=3B>=3B To: richard sales<=3Brichard@glasswing.com= >=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
&g= t=3B >=3B>=3B Subject: Re: Re: the 60's
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>= =3B >=3B>=3B On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C richard sales wrote:
>=3B >= =3B>=3B>=3B Well... the hippies also used hard core civil disobedience = to express
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B our anger! It was a thrilling time.=
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B The free love and drugs was just a bonus for = some of us. For some it
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B was the core of the ex= perience. They're the ones who went on to Wall
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B= Street and commerce. Truth is=2C they missed the most glorious boat of
= >=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B the time.
>=3B >=3B>=3B LOL=2C There is = a common joke that goes=2C "If you remember the 60's=2C then
>=3B >= =3B>=3B you weren't there."
>=3B >=3B>=3B Sadly=2C sometimes I t= hink that if you weren't there you just don't get it.
>=3B >=3B>= =3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B It's like Dickens said=2C "It was the best of ti= mes=2C it was the worst of
>=3B >=3B>=3B times".
>=3B >=3B&= gt=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B American children were probably the most dysfu= nctional in our National
>=3B >=3B>=3B history. Many (and NOT the = majority)
>=3B >=3B>=3B were angry but they also wanted to buy out= of the materialistic culture
>=3B >=3B>=3B that had emerged from = all the wealth
>=3B >=3B>=3B and conformity that characterized our= culture at the end of World War 2.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B= >=3B I always think it is dangerous to put too much emphasis on a time in=
>=3B >=3B>=3B one's life when one is first learning about the wor= ld and trying to come
>=3B >=3B>=3B to terms with it's inequities = (and it's delights) but there was some kind
>=3B >=3B>=3B of magic= in that time=2C at least for me.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B&g= t=3B The one thing that I do miss about it was the =2C of course=2C
>= =3B >=3B>=3B intrinsically naive=2C notion that we could
>=3B >= =3B>=3B somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant
&= gt=3B >=3B>=3B paradigm..........we could make a culture
>=3B >= =3B>=3B that was less racist=2C less sexist=2C less ageist=2C less sizeis= t=2C etc.=2C etc.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B there was a= feeling=2C artistically=2C that anything was possible and that=2C
>= =3B >=3B>=3B I believe is what led to the explosion
>=3B >=3B>= =3B in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts are to m= e
>=3B >=3B>=3B personally.....lol).
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>= =3B >=3B>=3B that part of it was wonderful where I lived (and at my ten= der age (I was
>=3B >=3B>=3B 14 in '67 but had a sister 4 years ol= der
>=3B >=3B>=3B who was taking me to concerts and parties and be= -ins all the time----she
>=3B >=3B>=3B took my brother and I to>=3B >=3B>=3B the Monterey Pop Festival and to the Filmore Auditoriu= m on my 16th
>=3B >=3B>=3B birthday and turned me on=2C bless her = heart)
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B Youth seem far more cy= nical these days (and I teach them a lot so I have
>=3B >=3B>=3B s= ome experience saying this).
>=3B >=3B>=3B I suppose we can't blam= e them after they had to watch George Bush stay
>=3B >=3B>=3B in o= ffice for eight years and all it represents=2C psychically and
>=3B &g= t=3B>=3B politically.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B I alw= ays wish I could give them a little tiny bit of that naive idealism
>= =3B >=3B>=3B we had at that time........
>=3B >=3B>=3B .....th= at sense that anything is possible.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B= >=3B It was a good think even though some of my memory about that time is= dim
>=3B >=3B>=3B (lol).
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B&= gt=3B rick walker
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B
= --_49524343-f6a0-489e-b3f3-7e9ed514e313_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 08:02:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB54B183456; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_72574ae1-70f5-4c9c-b69d-6ce564945ae2_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: EME moonbounce? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:02:47 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4D12F224.80103@cruzio.com> References: <6904346.1293066688498.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>,<4D12F224.80103@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2010 08:02:47.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[C998BFB0:01CBA277] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:02:49 +0000 (UTC) --_72574ae1-70f5-4c9c-b69d-6ce564945ae2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK=2C this might be totally technically naiive but with a time delay of aro= und 2 seconds it IS possible to bounce radio signals offf the moon.=20 Does anyone here know what sort of fidelity the resultant echo would be ? -= you can see where I'm going with this... Peace G = --_72574ae1-70f5-4c9c-b69d-6ce564945ae2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK=2C this might be totally technically naiive but with a time delay of aro= und 2 seconds it =3BIS possible to bounce radio signals offf the moon. =
Does anyone here know what sort of fidelity the resultant echo would be= ? - you can see where I'm going with this...

Peace

G = = --_72574ae1-70f5-4c9c-b69d-6ce564945ae2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 08:13:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C312B183456; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_p5XxJD9GpAulONT4QtFAvg)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012220190 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-23_03:2010-12-23,2010-12-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <6904346.1293066688498.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4D12F224.80103@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:12:32 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:13:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_p5XxJD9GpAulONT4QtFAvg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ham radio folks have been doing it for a long time. Maybe ask around a Ham site. toby ----- Original Message ----- From: Gareth Whittock To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 12:02 AM Subject: EME moonbounce? OK, this might be totally technically naiive but with a time delay of around 2 seconds it IS possible to bounce radio signals offf the moon. Does anyone here know what sort of fidelity the resultant echo would be ? - you can see where I'm going with this... Peace G --Boundary_(ID_p5XxJD9GpAulONT4QtFAvg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Ham radio folks have been doing it for a long time.  Maybe ask around a Ham site.
 
toby
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 12:02 AM
Subject: EME moonbounce?

OK, this might be totally technically naiive but with a time delay of around 2 seconds it IS possible to bounce radio signals offf the moon.
Does anyone here know what sort of fidelity the resultant echo would be ? - you can see where I'm going with this...

Peace

G
--Boundary_(ID_p5XxJD9GpAulONT4QtFAvg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 08:24:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDDAF183455; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293092681; bh=cLKVCieO/mgLWntKwcygmZCIYBKMU2+DqfUN/TD65hQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xfQmyYcIi00SD66aiHYgbuQfitIdI7lQ6OrD1/l/g5Zmw5V3E9n2Xdirwjtx2No0X/Rr5LcXbdbPBedxFrmOCc2et1AAEWp8bsjsuaYCvymhP+1R9dApBp7B6X9HujOlQKocb3NyK36vSjMYhHwVANIe8NI2DLsZ2Hgwnq4N8BQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4rStPbgsB1B8BS2hg8I7+ngTMZ/LK1nSeD1abwg1nTUQNBYBucqkI3raO+B/KQB0uAXSuMC0lNTfW/4Igxw52/matD/RErnof8mrEX3YGMvPnZ1Rrl2137z0PzkjRyVgRT+rX7lU4G1qTmUR7USu3r9YCG35m65BgRMmwm0BS9o=; Message-ID: <909269.59275.qm@web120710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dIQ4zGYVM1lxGJ6up0EcG.XFcppGGj5scYCS8CS0Ew8Pv6D MTXU.SwgYwhnWVFaFufJ616hWNnViB3GiP6Zs7Vs_q_ANIanl_Q7mqquaUhM k1KTRn8I5y4NBiHM50n1yswQaqVLj4_FIX3bxBL5x9L7B7C5qMSaU1o9V3A_ cR7th4HngbTyXBz1VHG8f64laiO5VBpN_Sq5oKBtz9OG_i6vgezIhEbvZph0 _bMYc8zNW9WISQPATaAFcYkyg4T9jYkBR0T0MJE0Osf8HyqRHvx.MVA74Qsa eFPnGscJM2j10MIF8F7CkwQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <6904346.1293066688498.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>,<4D12F224.80103@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:24:41 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: the 60's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-373414284-1293092681=:59275" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:24:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-373414284-1293092681=:59275 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gareth, I don't see where he said he was pro war, he said people he knew who had no options but go fight and then got insulted by people who felt righteous. Antony ________________________________ From: Gareth Whittock To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 8:55:33 AM Subject: RE: the 60's Well Todd I couldn't disagree more. You seem, incredibly, to be pro war on the basis that you neighbours partook in it. Nevertheless, to quote Voltaire: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." It's a testimony to this group that no-one, despite the broad range of opinions expressed here, has been attacked for their views - now THAT'S free speech! Peace, love and enlightenment Gareth > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:54:28 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: ransacker@earthlink.net > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: Re: the 60's > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Todd Howell wrote: > > Rick, > > > > I respect your take on things and all of your experiences. They must've been >magic at the time. Wonder years indeed. > Thanks for saying it, Todd! > > I remember very little of the era. I got a lot of memories second hand. I >lived in fly-over country on a farm at the a** end of nowhere as a child. I >remember watching my grandmother watching the casualty reports from Vietnam and >fretting. Two neighbors on either side of us were there. One came back in a bag >and the other minus three out of four limbs. There were fourteen names on my own >high schools Vietnam Memorial. > > > > As with all cultural movements, there were I am sure the true believers and >the opportunist free love and drug bunch along for the ride. I don't see the >sixties as anything else other than another failed moment in the cultural eons. >I had friends who I met through music, including one brilliant solo, Piedmont >Bluesman, who also served in Vietnam. He told me stories of hippy girls spitting >on him and calling him baby-killer. There were alot of those stories from my >veteran friends. Sorry if I can't get on board with a bunch of rich, free love >college kids who were fortunate enough to have parents who could buy them >deferments while the poor white under-class and minorities got the dirty end of >the cultural and economic stick and got p*ssed on for it. The zeitgeist was >lovely. The execution terrible. > Oh, I completely agree with you. It wasn't perfect. In fact the > amount of naivete and self entitlement > (and you pegged it: much of it upper middle class) was really > dysfunctional and annoying......like the young > hippy chick who walked into Union Grove Music today at closing and was > put out that she couldn't just come > in and jam on a guitar that she had no intention of ever buy.......ouch!!!). > > It was a very complex time (as all times are for all people) so I was > just reminiscing about some of the > sweet things about that time. I certainly don't have rose colored > spectacles on when thinking about it. > It was an enormously painful time, emotionally, for me in my life at > the time to be really honest. > > As a child of the SST and Sub-Pop eighties punk movements, I became formed >into the cynical mold that I am now. I trust no one. Not Fox News. Not MSNBC. >Neither left nor right. Neither Wall Street or the Hippy after birth of an era. >I admit to being an equal opportunity paranoid who believes that the twenty four >hour cable news cycle is essentially the Special Olympics of bull-sh*t with a >gigantic black hole of truth and fact at its' center. > > > > I admire and somehow envy your golden time and wish that I was a true >believer in that way. I appreciate you sharing that and apologize to the list >for a rant from a lurker. > > No man, what I love about this list is that everyone pipes in (or is at > least encouraged to do so). > Your perspective is no more or less valid than mine or anyone's on this > list. > > To me, the key word in all you wrote was 'respectful'. I think if we > all appreciate diversity > and not expect other human beings to share our experiences or our > conclusions and if we honestly > hold respect in our hearts that the world has a chance of improving. > > Glad you un-lurked and look forward to more of your thoughts in the future. > > rick > > Lost But Respectful, > > > > Ransacker > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rick Walker > >> Sent: Dec 22, 2010 4:12 PM > >> To: richard sales > >> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Re: the 60's > >> > >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, richard sales wrote: > >>> Well... the hippies also used hard core civil disobedience to express > >>> our anger! It was a thrilling time. > >>> The free love and drugs was just a bonus for some of us. For some it > >>> was the core of the experience. They're the ones who went on to Wall > >>> Street and commerce. Truth is, they missed the most glorious boat of > >>> the time. > >> LOL, There is a common joke that goes, "If you remember the 60's, then > >> you weren't there." > >> Sadly, sometimes I think that if you weren't there you just don't get it. > >> > >> It's like Dickens said, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of > >> times". > >> > >> American children were probably the most dysfunctional in our National > >> history. Many (and NOT the majority) > >> were angry but they also wanted to buy out of the materialistic culture > >> that had emerged from all the wealth > >> and conformity that characterized our culture at the end of World War 2. > >> > >> I always think it is dangerous to put too much emphasis on a time in > >> one's life when one is first learning about the world and trying to come > >> to terms with it's inequities (and it's delights) but there was some kind > >> of magic in that time, at least for me. > >> > >> The one thing that I do miss about it was the , of course, > >> intrinsically naive, notion that we could > >> somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant > >> paradigm..........we could make a culture > >> that was less racist, less sexist, less ageist, less sizeist, etc., etc. > >> > >> there was a feeling, artistically, that anything was possible and that, > >> I believe is what led to the explosion > >> in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts are to me > >> personally.....lol). > >> > >> that part of it was wonderful where I lived (and at my tender age (I was > >> 14 in '67 but had a sister 4 years older > >> who was taking me to concerts and parties and be-ins all the time----she > >> took my brother and I to > >> the Monterey Pop Festival and to the Filmore Auditorium on my 16th > >> birthday and turned me on, bless her heart) > >> > >> Youth seem far more cynical these days (and I teach them a lot so I have > >> some experience saying this). > >> I suppose we can't blame them after they had to watch George Bush stay > >> in office for eight years and all it represents, psychically and > >> politically. > >> > >> I always wish I could give them a little tiny bit of that naive idealism > >> we had at that time........ > >> .....that sense that anything is possible. > >> > >> It was a good think even though some of my memory about that time is dim > >> (lol). > >> > >> rick walker > >> > --0-373414284-1293092681=:59275 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Gareth,

I don't see where he said he was pro war, he said people he knew who had no options but go fight and then got insulted by people who felt righteous.

Antony

From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 8:55:33 AM
Subject: RE: the 60's

Well Todd I couldn't disagree more. You seem, incredibly, to be pro war on the basis that you neighbours partook in it.
Nevertheless, to quote Voltaire: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
 
It's a testimony to this group that no-one, despite the broad range of opinions expressed here, has been attacked for their views - now THAT'S free speech!
 
Peace, love and enlightenment
 
Gareth 
 
> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:54:28 -0800
> From: looppool@cruzio.com
> To: ransacker@earthlink.net
> CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: the 60's
>
> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Todd Howell wrote:
> > Rick,
> >
> > I respect your take on things and all of your experiences. They must've been magic at the time. Wonder years indeed.
> Thanks for saying it, Todd!
> > I remember very little of the era. I got a lot of memories second hand. I lived in fly-over country on a farm at the a** end of nowhere as a child. I remember watching my grandmother watching the casualty reports from Vietnam and fretting. Two neighbors on either side of us were there. One came back in a bag and the other minus three out of four limbs. There were fourteen names on my own high schools Vietnam Memorial.
> >
> > As with all cultural movements, there were I am sure the true believers and the opportunist free love and drug bunch along for the ride. I don't see the sixties as anything else other than another failed moment in the cultural eons. I had friends who I met through music, including one brilliant solo, Piedmont Bluesman, who also served in Vietnam. He told me stories of hippy girls spitting on him and calling him baby-killer. There were alot of those stories from my veteran friends. Sorry if I can't get on board with a bunch of rich, free love college kids who were fortunate enough to have parents who could buy them deferments while the poor white under-class and minorities got the dirty end of the cultural and economic stick and got p*ssed on for it. The zeitgeist was lovely. The execution terrible.
> Oh, I completely agree with you. It wasn't perfect. In fact the
> amount of naivete and self entitlement
> (and you pegged it: much of it upper middle class) was really
> dysfunctional and annoying......like the young
> hippy chick who walked into Union Grove Music today at closing and was
> put out that she couldn't just come
> in and jam on a guitar that she had no intention of ever buy.......ouch!!!).
>
> It was a very complex time (as all times are for all people) so I was
> just reminiscing about some of the
> sweet things about that time. I certainly don't have rose colored
> spectacles on when thinking about it.
> It was an enormously painful time, emotionally, for me in my life at
> the time to be really honest.
> > As a child of the SST and Sub-Pop eighties punk movements, I became formed into the cynical mold that I am now. I trust no one. Not Fox News. Not MSNBC. Neither left nor right. Neither Wall Street or the Hippy after birth of an era. I admit to being an equal opportunity paranoid who believes that the twenty four hour cable news cycle is essentially the Special Olympics of bull-sh*t with a gigantic black hole of truth and fact at its' center.
> >
> > I admire and somehow envy your golden time and wish that I was a true believer in that way. I appreciate you sharing that and apologize to the list for a rant from a lurker.
>
> No man, what I love about this list is that everyone pipes in (or is at
> least encouraged to do so).
> Your perspective is no more or less valid than mine or anyone's on this
> list.
>
> To me, the key word in all you wrote was 'respectful'. I think if we
> all appreciate diversity
> and not expect other human beings to share our experiences or our
> conclusions and if we honestly
> hold respect in our hearts that the world has a chance of improving.
>
> Glad you un-lurked and look forward to more of your thoughts in the future.
>
> rick
> > Lost But Respectful,
> >
> > Ransacker
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rick Walker<looppool@cruzio.com>
> >> Sent: Dec 22, 2010 4:12 PM
> >> To: richard sales<richard@glasswing.com>
> >> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> Subject: Re: Re: the 60's
> >>
> >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, richard sales wrote:
> >>> Well... the hippies also used hard core civil disobedience to express
> >>> our anger! It was a thrilling time.
> >>> The free love and drugs was just a bonus for some of us. For some it
> >>> was the core of the experience. They're the ones who went on to Wall
> >>> Street and commerce. Truth is, they missed the most glorious boat of
> >>> the time.
> >> LOL, There is a common joke that goes, "If you remember the 60's, then
> >> you weren't there."
> >> Sadly, sometimes I think that if you weren't there you just don't get it.
> >>
> >> It's like Dickens said, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of
> >> times".
> >>
> >> American children were probably the most dysfunctional in our National
> >> history. Many (and NOT the majority)
> >> were angry but they also wanted to buy out of the materialistic culture
> >> that had emerged from all the wealth
> >> and conformity that characterized our culture at the end of World War 2.
> >>
> >> I always think it is dangerous to put too much emphasis on a time in
> >> one's life when one is first learning about the world and trying to come
> >> to terms with it's inequities (and it's delights) but there was some kind
> >> of magic in that time, at least for me.
> >>
> >> The one thing that I do miss about it was the , of course,
> >> intrinsically naive, notion that we could
> >> somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant
> >> paradigm..........we could make a culture
> >> that was less racist, less sexist, less ageist, less sizeist, etc., etc.
> >>
> >> there was a feeling, artistically, that anything was possible and that,
> >> I believe is what led to the explosion
> >> in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts are to me
> >> personally.....lol).
> >>
> >> that part of it was wonderful where I lived (and at my tender age (I was
> >> 14 in '67 but had a sister 4 years older
> >> who was taking me to concerts and parties and be-ins all the time----she
> >> took my brother and I to
> >> the Monterey Pop Festival and to the Filmore Auditorium on my 16th
> >> birthday and turned me on, bless her heart)
> >>
> >> Youth seem far more cynical these days (and I teach them a lot so I have
> >> some experience saying this).
> >> I suppose we can't blame them after they had to watch George Bush stay
> >> in office for eight years and all it represents, psychically and
> >> politically.
> >>
> >> I always wish I could give them a little tiny bit of that naive idealism
> >> we had at that time........
> >> .....that sense that anything is possible.
> >>
> >> It was a good think even though some of my memory about that time is dim
> >> (lol).
> >>
> >> rick walker
> >>
>

--0-373414284-1293092681=:59275-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 08:28:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E1E2183458; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:28:27 +0900 Subject: And now, the Future (was Re: the 60's) From: Dustbunnies To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: And now, the Future (was Re: the 60's) Thread-Index: Acuie18TZ8Xs4zzDTJaENeMCRV7r0g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3375970108_2294191" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:28:31 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3375970108_2294191 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable On 12/23/10 1:42 PM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" wrote: > I have recently begun to live my life by a piece of wisdom that Miles Dav= is > delivered to me in a dream; We Define Our Own Location. =A0Things are bette= r > than they seem, things are worse than they seem. =A0Its up to each and ever= y one > of us to determine what any of it means to us and what we want to do with= it. > =A0And it seems to me that is true in every moment for every person in ever= y > decade. >=20 Very nice, Kevin. I like it. I=B9ll take this as an opportunity to add one or two homilies myself. The first is an oft-repeated saying I love: =B3Nostalgia=B9s not history; it=B9s a drug.=B2 Follow that up with a little out-of-context =8CGang Of Four=B9: =B3There are no lessons in the past.=B2 So what are people listening to NOW? What new stories are we making to carry ourselves forward into the next New Year? --m. --B_3375970108_2294191 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable And now, the Future (was Re: the 60's) On 12/23/10 1= :42 PM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:<= BR>
I have recently begun to live my life by a piece of wisd= om that Miles Davis delivered to me in a dream; We Define Our Own Location. = =A0Things are better than they seem, things are worse than they seem. =A0Its up = to each and every one of us to determine what any of it means to us and what= we want to do with it. =A0And it seems to me that is true in every moment for= every person in every decade.

Very nice, Kevin.  I like it.  

I’ll take this as an opportunity to add one or two homilies myself.
    The first is an oft-repeated saying I love: “= Nostalgia’s not history; it’s a drug.”

    Follow that up with a little out-of-context ‘= Gang Of Four’: “There are no lessons in the past.”

So what are people listening to NOW?  What new stories are we making t= o carry ourselves forward into the next New Year?

          --m.
 --B_3375970108_2294191-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 09:44:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D304183455; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0a1c3162-5756-428e-8030-01902e56ace6_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: the 60's Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:44:10 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <909269.59275.qm@web120710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <6904346.1293066688498.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>,<4D12F224.80103@cruzio.com> ,<909269.59275.qm@web120710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2010 09:44:09.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2BFFE90:01CBA285] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:44:12 +0000 (UTC) --_0a1c3162-5756-428e-8030-01902e56ace6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anthony=2C=20 It looks very much like his sympathies are with the soldiers and antipathie= s with the anti-war hippies.=20 I'm happy to take this off list if you like since I fear we are going Waaaa= yyyy off topic here. =20 Peace =20 Gareth =20 Date: Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 00:24:41 -0800 From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: the 60's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Gareth=2C I don't see where he said he was pro war=2C he said people he knew who had = no options but go fight and then got insulted by people who felt righteous. Antony From: Gareth Whittock To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu=2C December 23=2C 2010 8:55:33 AM Subject: RE: the 60's Well Todd I couldn't disagree more. You seem=2C incredibly=2C to be pro war= on the basis that you neighbours partook in it. Nevertheless=2C to quote Voltaire: "I disapprove of what you say=2C but I w= ill defend to the death your right to say it." =20 It's a testimony to this group that no-one=2C despite the broad range of op= inions expressed here=2C has been attacked for their views - now THAT'S fre= e speech! =20 Peace=2C love and enlightenment =20 Gareth=20 =20 > Date: Wed=2C 22 Dec 2010 22:54:28 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: ransacker@earthlink.net > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: Re: the 60's >=20 > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Todd Howell wrote: > > Rick=2C > > > > I respect your take on things and all of your experiences. They must've= been magic at the time. Wonder years indeed. > Thanks for saying it=2C Todd! > > I remember very little of the era. I got a lot of memories second hand.= I lived in fly-over country on a farm at the a** end of nowhere as a child= . I remember watching my grandmother watching the casualty reports from Vie= tnam and fretting. Two neighbors on either side of us were there. One came = back in a bag and the other minus three out of four limbs. There were fourt= een names on my own high schools Vietnam Memorial. > > > > As with all cultural movements=2C there were I am sure the true believe= rs and the opportunist free love and drug bunch along for the ride. I don't= see the sixties as anything else other than another failed moment in the c= ultural eons. I had friends who I met through music=2C including one brilli= ant solo=2C Piedmont Bluesman=2C who also served in Vietnam. He told me sto= ries of hippy girls spitting on him and calling him baby-killer. There were= alot of those stories from my veteran friends. Sorry if I can't get on boa= rd with a bunch of rich=2C free love college kids who were fortunate enough= to have parents who could buy them deferments while the poor white under-c= lass and minorities got the dirty end of the cultural and economic stick an= d got p*ssed on for it. The zeitgeist was lovely. The execution terrible. > Oh=2C I completely agree with you. It wasn't perfect. In fact the=20 > amount of naivete and self entitlement > (and you pegged it: much of it upper middle class) was really=20 > dysfunctional and annoying......like the young > hippy chick who walked into Union Grove Music today at closing and was=20 > put out that she couldn't just come > in and jam on a guitar that she had no intention of ever buy.......ouch!!= !). >=20 > It was a very complex time (as all times are for all people) so I was=20 > just reminiscing about some of the > sweet things about that time. I certainly don't have rose colored=20 > spectacles on when thinking about it. > It was an enormously painful time=2C emotionally=2C for me in my life at= =20 > the time to be really honest. > > As a child of the SST and Sub-Pop eighties punk movements=2C I became f= ormed into the cynical mold that I am now. I trust no one. Not Fox News. No= t MSNBC. Neither left nor right. Neither Wall Street or the Hippy after bir= th of an era. I admit to being an equal opportunity paranoid who believes t= hat the twenty four hour cable news cycle is essentially the Special Olympi= cs of bull-sh*t with a gigantic black hole of truth and fact at its' center= . > > > > I admire and somehow envy your golden time and wish that I was a true b= eliever in that way. I appreciate you sharing that and apologize to the lis= t for a rant from a lurker. >=20 > No man=2C what I love about this list is that everyone pipes in (or is at= =20 > least encouraged to do so). > Your perspective is no more or less valid than mine or anyone's on this=20 > list. >=20 > To me=2C the key word in all you wrote was 'respectful'. I think if we=20 > all appreciate diversity > and not expect other human beings to share our experiences or our=20 > conclusions and if we honestly > hold respect in our hearts that the world has a chance of improving. >=20 > Glad you un-lurked and look forward to more of your thoughts in the futur= e. >=20 > rick > > Lost But Respectful=2C > > > > Ransacker > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rick Walker > >> Sent: Dec 22=2C 2010 4:12 PM > >> To: richard sales > >> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Re: the 60's > >> > >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C richard sales wrote: > >>> Well... the hippies also used hard core civil disobedience to express > >>> our anger! It was a thrilling time. > >>> The free love and drugs was just a bonus for some of us. For some it > >>> was the core of the experience. They're the ones who went on to Wall > >>> Street and commerce. Truth is=2C they missed the most glorious boat o= f > >>> the time. > >> LOL=2C There is a common joke that goes=2C "If you remember the 60's= =2C then > >> you weren't there." > >> Sadly=2C sometimes I think that if you weren't there you just don't ge= t it. > >> > >> It's like Dickens said=2C "It was the best of times=2C it was the wors= t of > >> times". > >> > >> American children were probably the most dysfunctional in our National > >> history. Many (and NOT the majority) > >> were angry but they also wanted to buy out of the materialistic cultur= e > >> that had emerged from all the wealth > >> and conformity that characterized our culture at the end of World War = 2. > >> > >> I always think it is dangerous to put too much emphasis on a time in > >> one's life when one is first learning about the world and trying to co= me > >> to terms with it's inequities (and it's delights) but there was some k= ind > >> of magic in that time=2C at least for me. > >> > >> The one thing that I do miss about it was the =2C of course=2C > >> intrinsically naive=2C notion that we could > >> somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant > >> paradigm..........we could make a culture > >> that was less racist=2C less sexist=2C less ageist=2C less sizeist=2C = etc.=2C etc. > >> > >> there was a feeling=2C artistically=2C that anything was possible and = that=2C > >> I believe is what led to the explosion > >> in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts are to = me > >> personally.....lol). > >> > >> that part of it was wonderful where I lived (and at my tender age (I w= as > >> 14 in '67 but had a sister 4 years older > >> who was taking me to concerts and parties and be-ins all the time----s= he > >> took my brother and I to > >> the Monterey Pop Festival and to the Filmore Auditorium on my 16th > >> birthday and turned me on=2C bless her heart) > >> > >> Youth seem far more cynical these days (and I teach them a lot so I ha= ve > >> some experience saying this). > >> I suppose we can't blame them after they had to watch George Bush stay > >> in office for eight years and all it represents=2C psychically and > >> politically. > >> > >> I always wish I could give them a little tiny bit of that naive ideali= sm > >> we had at that time........ > >> .....that sense that anything is possible. > >> > >> It was a good think even though some of my memory about that time is d= im > >> (lol). > >> > >> rick walker > >> >=20 = --_0a1c3162-5756-428e-8030-01902e56ace6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anthony=2C
It looks very much like his sympathies are with the soldiers and antipathie= s with the anti-war hippies.
I'm happy to take this off list if you like since I fear we are going Waaaa= yyyy off topic here.
 =3B
Peace
 =3B
Gareth
 =3B
Date: Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 00:24:41 -0800
From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com
= Subject: Re: the 60's
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Gareth=2C

I don't see where he said he was pro war=2C he said people he knew who= had no options but go fight and then got insulted by people who felt right= eous.

Antony

From: Gareth Whittock <= =3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.uk>=3B
T= o: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu=2C December 23=2C 2010 8:55:33 AM
Subject: RE: the 60's

Well Todd I couldn't disagree more. You seem=2C incredibly=2C to be pro war=  =3Bon the basis that you neighbours partook in it.
Nevertheless=2C&= nbsp=3Bto quote Voltaire: "I disapprove of what you say=2C but I will defen= d to the death your right to say it."
 =3B
It's a testimony to th= is group that no-one=2C despite the broad range of opinions expressed = =3Bhere=2C has been attacked for their =3Bviews - now THAT'S free speec= h!
 =3B
Peace=2C love and enlightenment
 =3B
Gareth&nbs= p=3B
 =3B
>=3B Date: Wed=2C 22 Dec 2010 22:54:28 -0800
>= =3B From: looppool@cruzio.com
>=3B To: ransacker@earthlink.net
>= =3B CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: Re: Re: Re: = the 60's
>=3B
>=3B On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Todd Howell wrote:
= >=3B >=3B Rick=2C
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B I respect your take= on things and all of your experiences. They must've been magic at the time= . Wonder years indeed.
>=3B Thanks for saying it=2C Todd!
>=3B &g= t=3B I remember very little of the era. I got a lot of memories second hand= . I lived in fly-over country on a farm at the a** end of nowhere as a chil= d. I remember watching my grandmother watching the casualty reports from Vi= etnam and fretting. Two neighbors on either side of us were there. One came= back in a bag and the other minus three out of four limbs. There were four= teen names on my own high schools Vietnam Memorial.
>=3B >=3B
>= =3B >=3B As with all cultural movements=2C there were I am sure the true = believers and the opportunist free love and drug bunch along for the ride. = I don't see the sixties as anything else other than another failed moment i= n the cultural eons. I had friends who I met through music=2C including one= brilliant solo=2C Piedmont Bluesman=2C who also served in Vietnam. He told= me stories of hippy girls spitting on him and calling him baby-killer. The= re were alot of those stories from my veteran friends. Sorry if I can't get= on board with a bunch of rich=2C free love college kids who were fortunate= enough to have parents who could buy them deferments while the poor white = under-class and minorities got the dirty end of the cultural and economic s= tick and got p*ssed on for it. The zeitgeist was lovely. The execution terr= ible.
>=3B Oh=2C I completely agree with you. It wasn't perfect. In fa= ct the
>=3B amount of naivete and self entitlement
>=3B (and you= pegged it: much of it upper middle class) was really
>=3B dysfunctio= nal and annoying......like the young
>=3B hippy chick who walked into = Union Grove Music today at closing and was
>=3B put out that she coul= dn't just come
>=3B in and jam on a guitar that she had no intention o= f ever buy.......ouch!!!).
>=3B
>=3B It was a very complex time = (as all times are for all people) so I was
>=3B just reminiscing abou= t some of the
>=3B sweet things about that time. I certainly don't hav= e rose colored
>=3B spectacles on when thinking about it.
>=3B I= t was an enormously painful time=2C emotionally=2C for me in my life at >=3B the time to be really honest.
>=3B >=3B As a child of the SS= T and Sub-Pop eighties punk movements=2C I became formed into the cynical m= old that I am now. I trust no one. Not Fox News. Not MSNBC. Neither left no= r right. Neither Wall Street or the Hippy after birth of an era. I admit to= being an equal opportunity paranoid who believes that the twenty four hour= cable news cycle is essentially the Special Olympics of bull-sh*t with a g= igantic black hole of truth and fact at its' center.
>=3B >=3B
&g= t=3B >=3B I admire and somehow envy your golden time and wish that I was = a true believer in that way. I appreciate you sharing that and apologize to= the list for a rant from a lurker.
>=3B
>=3B No man=2C what I l= ove about this list is that everyone pipes in (or is at
>=3B least en= couraged to do so).
>=3B Your perspective is no more or less valid tha= n mine or anyone's on this
>=3B list.
>=3B
>=3B To me=2C t= he key word in all you wrote was 'respectful'. I think if we
>=3B all= appreciate diversity
>=3B and not expect other human beings to share = our experiences or our
>=3B conclusions and if we honestly
>=3B = hold respect in our hearts that the world has a chance of improving.
>= =3B
>=3B Glad you un-lurked and look forward to more of your thoughts= in the future.
>=3B
>=3B rick
>=3B >=3B Lost But Respect= ful=2C
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Ransacker
>=3B >=3B
>= =3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B -----Original Message-----
>=3B >=3B>= =3B From: Rick Walker<=3Blooppool@cruzio.com>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B= Sent: Dec 22=2C 2010 4:12 PM
>=3B >=3B>=3B To: richard sales<= =3Brichard@glasswing.com>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B Cc: Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com
>=3B >=3B>=3B Subject: Re: Re: the 60's
>= =3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C richard sale= s wrote:
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B Well... the hippies also used hard co= re civil disobedience to express
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B our anger! It= was a thrilling time.
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B The free love and drugs= was just a bonus for some of us. For some it
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B = was the core of the experience. They're the ones who went on to Wall
>= =3B >=3B>=3B>=3B Street and commerce. Truth is=2C they missed the mos= t glorious boat of
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B the time.
>=3B >=3B&= gt=3B LOL=2C There is a common joke that goes=2C "If you remember the 60's= =2C then
>=3B >=3B>=3B you weren't there."
>=3B >=3B>=3B = Sadly=2C sometimes I think that if you weren't there you just don't get it.=
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B It's like Dickens said=2C "I= t was the best of times=2C it was the worst of
>=3B >=3B>=3B times= ".
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B American children were pro= bably the most dysfunctional in our National
>=3B >=3B>=3B history= . Many (and NOT the majority)
>=3B >=3B>=3B were angry but they al= so wanted to buy out of the materialistic culture
>=3B >=3B>=3B th= at had emerged from all the wealth
>=3B >=3B>=3B and conformity th= at characterized our culture at the end of World War 2.
>=3B >=3B>= =3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B I always think it is dangerous to put too much e= mphasis on a time in
>=3B >=3B>=3B one's life when one is first le= arning about the world and trying to come
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>=3B &= gt=3B>=3B of magic in that time=2C at least for me.
>=3B >=3B>= =3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B The one thing that I do miss about it was the = =2C of course=2C
>=3B >=3B>=3B intrinsically naive=2C notion that = we could
>=3B >=3B>=3B somehow change the world........we could es= chew the dominant
>=3B >=3B>=3B paradigm..........we could make a = culture
>=3B >=3B>=3B that was less racist=2C less sexist=2C less = ageist=2C less sizeist=2C etc.=2C etc.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >= =3B>=3B there was a feeling=2C artistically=2C that anything was possible= and that=2C
>=3B >=3B>=3B I believe is what led to the explosion<= BR>>=3B >=3B>=3B in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie = dye shirts are to me
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>=3B = >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B that part of it was wonderful where I l= ived (and at my tender age (I was
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>=3B >=3B>=3B who was taking me to concerts= and parties and be-ins all the time----she
>=3B >=3B>=3B took my = brother and I to
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>=3B >=3B>=3B birthday and turned = me on=2C bless her heart)
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B You= th seem far more cynical these days (and I teach them a lot so I have
&g= t=3B >=3B>=3B some experience saying this).
>=3B >=3B>=3B I su= ppose we can't blame them after they had to watch George Bush stay
>= =3B >=3B>=3B in office for eight years and all it represents=2C psychic= ally and
>=3B >=3B>=3B politically.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>= =3B >=3B>=3B I always wish I could give them a little tiny bit of that = naive idealism
>=3B >=3B>=3B we had at that time........
>=3B= >=3B>=3B .....that sense that anything is possible.
>=3B >=3B&g= t=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B It was a good think even though some of my memo= ry about that time is dim
>=3B >=3B>=3B (lol).
>=3B >=3B>= =3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B rick walker
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B

= --_0a1c3162-5756-428e-8030-01902e56ace6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 09:55:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74CF3183457; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293098131; bh=olhKzEKHnHQMTBHJonK+e7330hOkAv3grjt0hna9FqM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ubuc2hl8NBLkUPOKzkEfmrua271zlititpgtGyatdZTXPOSD1LMlku06g6hGil5xgjJTRA4yDkLFEjljzekLKh+X6scd2hfWhKEprsELMYlGiJXlQaugXbRaFNA/izq4n8sRHpY3rpoRUajRy8acY1WxsRJlDv3+xROrePGZKMM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f18vyABcB1XRmsQlS25NHOruy5iSb7x8Oirb5kXbGBRW60WjtkvN3K6tGYyU8ClOc619iVN5qFlQ4I0Ya8fjBYaR34SAmWS2YUuCqYUgJ9E5bNeX/z/vTY//WMUf3feIoiJlwx5nulTGpNdsxsSfLk3zWNBazNZkafV1fjnixtk=; Message-ID: <19959.29806.qm@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: yX17NtMVM1nQ3xvKLhVrJgqNZyNR5TTnCy77XD9.U9.nW9v TPoHJ4WDjCS3scFughXgwtfZjrHvg1Qc2.e8PfH0LYodHjufsEOX.6uDlcZi EVJrdfP9vSeAR.h7gWIsWZWQUkSFW9AU098Imx_cROL6XwgGR3H7K.LxbNqB 1o.Cr8V_w3W.XMmMWtM5g_nWeM8azM0M7iNNkVfLGATLlRJAnw58GTRzRxEh 0Q7YPzOTgFoK4ZM9chfMgZF7wosocJkia9CtE_WSvSsrE5w7MYBZ.qHyqT9e rHYWIW6FMhlPsZ6o2C0L2kQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <8CD7033709E479F-1768-2219@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com>,<4D12862A.8010707@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:55:30 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-532219839-1293098130=:29806" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:55:32 +0000 (UTC) --0-532219839-1293098130=:29806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii have faith, how old will you be then? I know the Taoist techniques for very long life, maybe we should start practicing them... ________________________________ From: Gareth Whittock To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 6:43:32 AM Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice The next lunar eclipse is 2014 but the next one on the solstice will be 2094 - I think I'm gonna miss that one.. Peace G > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:13:46 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.como > To: nemoguitt@aol.com > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > but the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are > > moving faster! > My wife Chris, who is up on these things, said the next one is 2014. I > didn't verify it > but she's rarely wrong about her research into anything......one of the > sharpest human beings > I've ever met. > > rick walker > --0-532219839-1293098130=:29806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
have faith, how old will you be then? I know the Taoist techniques for very long life, maybe we should start practicing them...

From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 6:43:32 AM
Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice

The next lunar eclipse is 2014 but the next one on the solstice will be 2094 - I think I'm gonna miss that one..
 
Peace
 
G
 
> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:13:46 -0800
> From: looppool@cruzio.como
> To: nemoguitt@aol.com
> CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice
>
> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
> > but the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are
> > moving faster!
> My wife Chris, who is up on these things, said the next one is 2014. I
> didn't verify it
> but she's rarely wrong about her research into anything......one of the
> sharpest human beings
> I've ever met.
>
> rick walker
>

--0-532219839-1293098130=:29806-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 10:32:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48F2E183457; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4a498080-cab1-49d2-a57a-b42d65641324_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:32:37 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19959.29806.qm@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <8CD7033709E479F-1768-2219@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com>,<4D12862A.8010707@cruzio.com> ,<19959.29806.qm@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2010 10:32:36.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7837D00:01CBA28C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:32:38 +0000 (UTC) --_4a498080-cab1-49d2-a57a-b42d65641324_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That'd be cool - what do I have to do? The older I get=2C the more thirst f= or life I have.. =20 Peace =20 G =20 Date: Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 01:55:30 -0800 From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com have faith=2C how old will you be then? I know the Taoist techniques for ve= ry long life=2C maybe we should start practicing them... From: Gareth Whittock To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu=2C December 23=2C 2010 6:43:32 AM Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice The next lunar eclipse is 2014 but the next one on the solstice will be 209= 4 - I think I'm gonna miss that one.. =20 Peace =20 G =20 > Date: Wed=2C 22 Dec 2010 15:13:46 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.como > To: nemoguitt@aol.com > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice >=20 > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > but the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are= =20 > > moving faster!=20 > My wife Chris=2C who is up on these things=2C said the next one is 2014. = I=20 > didn't verify it > but she's rarely wrong about her research into anything......one of the=20 > sharpest human beings > I've ever met. >=20 > rick walker >=20 = --_4a498080-cab1-49d2-a57a-b42d65641324_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That'd be cool - what do I have to do? The older I get=2C the more =3Bt= hirst for life I have..
 =3B
Peace
 =3B
G
 =3B
Date: Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 01:55:30 -0800
From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com
= Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<= BR>
have faith=2C how old will you be then? I know the Taoist techniques f= or very long life=2C maybe we should start practicing them...

From: Gareth Whittock <= =3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.uk>=3B
T= o: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu=2C December 23=2C 2010 6:43:32 AM
Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solsti= ce

The next lunar eclipse is 2014 but the next one on the solstice will be 209= 4 - I think I'm gonna miss that one..
 =3B
Peace
 =3B
G=
 =3B
>=3B Date: Wed=2C 22 Dec 2010 15:13:46 -0800
>=3B Fr= om: looppool@cruzio.= como
>=3B To: nemoguitt@aol.com
>=3B CC: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice
>=3B >=3B On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
>=3B >=3B bu= t the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are
&g= t=3B >=3B moving faster!
>=3B My wife Chris=2C who is up on these t= hings=2C said the next one is 2014. I
>=3B didn't verify it
>=3B= but she's rarely wrong about her research into anything......one of the >=3B sharpest human beings
>=3B I've ever met.
>=3B
>= =3B rick walker
>=3B

= --_4a498080-cab1-49d2-a57a-b42d65641324_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 10:36:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 113BC183457; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d93bf6ef-8b31-4b10-8e6c-85d91face3f3_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: EME moonbounce? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:36:52 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <6904346.1293066688498.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>,<4D12F224.80103@cruzio.com> , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2010 10:36:52.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FE187E0:01CBA28D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:36:53 +0000 (UTC) --_d93bf6ef-8b31-4b10-8e6c-85d91face3f3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It turns out that the signal degradation is so severe that morse code is th= e only thing that has a chance of getting through :-( Someting like a 250dB signal drop! g =20 From: carpet8@mac.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? Date: Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 00:12:32 -0800 Ham radio folks have been doing it for a long time. Maybe ask around a Ham= site. =20 toby ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gareth Whittock=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday=2C December 23=2C 2010 12:02 AM Subject: EME moonbounce? OK=2C this might be totally technically naiive but with a time delay of aro= und 2 seconds it IS possible to bounce radio signals offf the moon.=20 Does anyone here know what sort of fidelity the resultant echo would be ? -= you can see where I'm going with this... Peace G = --_d93bf6ef-8b31-4b10-8e6c-85d91face3f3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It turns out that the signal degradation is so severe that morse code = =3Bis the only thing that has a chance of getting through =3B:-(
Someting like a 250dB signal drop!
g
 =3B
From: carpet8@mac.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject= : Re: EME moonbounce?
Date: Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 00:12:32 -0800

Ham radio folks have been doing it for a long time.=  =3B Maybe ask around a Ham site.
 =3B
toby
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday=2C December 23=2C 201= 0 12:02 AM
Subject: EME moonbounce?

OK=2C this might be totally technically naiive but with a ti= me delay of around 2 seconds it =3BIS possible to bounce radio signals = offf the moon.
Does anyone here know what sort of fidelity the resultan= t echo would be ? - you can see where I'm going with this...

Peace
G
= --_d93bf6ef-8b31-4b10-8e6c-85d91face3f3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 10:40:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 417B3183453; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:40:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=o+SiMp+yZhf2U48TcV2ucsY4II5yrFG7T+qn0AzMrvc=; b=WcXYg++kiwUXmzHmBFwLXL0sDMFkLYcbRhJuVO1zEIAjpV5z/fmlokipu8SNQHZpx6 B32gOioO82C5pIAlcni6XVKuXmmhkZcL8YkH2ei/tLXVYBJb26D4v0y5r8f9oAGKyoy2 QJaQK4uXSyjiDp3ckw5GoVgUG6OVMsRfGM9iE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=H3zbF5H6k5A9i6u6nH4nmSF9SK9NI/ube/rdTimkpBW2FWmruV/SPiJ6mw41ck38Gk na3S8k5c3uw+iL5Vy4F+bJh6R41IhtZLv97r/ClfaErXuKHfRd53luGM8RcY1GR/H1kj TJrYDAsBcvvBTQvq7u2pQuPrATwuCeHoBnaBc= Message-ID: <4D13272D.3090102@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:40:45 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? References: <6904346.1293066688498.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>,<4D12F224.80103@cruzio.com> , In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:40:48 +0000 (UTC) Morse code works? Ok, so digital data transmission works. We're using digital gadgets, anyway...;) Gareth Whittock schrieb: > It turns out that the signal degradation is so severe that morse > code is the only thing that has a chance of getting through :-( > Someting like a 250dB signal drop! > g > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: carpet8@mac.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? > Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:12:32 -0800 > > Ham radio folks have been doing it for a long time. Maybe ask around > a Ham site. > > toby > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Gareth Whittock > *To:* loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 23, 2010 12:02 AM > *Subject:* EME moonbounce? > > OK, this might be totally technically naiive but with a time delay > of around 2 seconds it IS possible to bounce radio signals offf > the moon. > Does anyone here know what sort of fidelity the resultant echo > would be ? - you can see where I'm going with this... > > Peace > > G > -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 10:54:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CAB018345A; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 553010065/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.31.68/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.31.68 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsBAJ64Ek1YbR9E/2dsb2JhbAAMlgLQdYVKBI4V X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,218,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="553010065" Message-ID: <4D132A7C.5060005@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:54:52 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT Re: the 60's 70's etc References: <2984402612C34FD78AF00709192DFF39@mpeserver> <4D1139A1.7080607@cruzio.com> <815351.13326.qm@web114510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <815351.13326.qm@web114510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:54:18 +0000 (UTC) The 70's also killed off that music (in uk anyway) It was never on tv, hardly ever on the radio. The media was flooded with pop and "very dull rawk", by '75 with rise of disco it was pretty much over. The only way to get into any of those bands was to buy the albums based on hearsay...always a risk ;-) The great thing about 60's 70's was that the each band had it's own unique sound (even the crappy ones), nowadays the bands can be described with reference to "other bands"...and that's exactly what they sound like. andy butler (age 49) George Demarest wrote: > I may be lynched for saying it, but the 70s did offer up Frippertronics, > Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf, Gong, > Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, tons of great Zappa, King Crimson, Henry > Cow, Yes, Genesis, etc. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 11:12:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FCBE183461; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293102756; bh=UrRiutMk89XVj9OvLOMQvMwfhVnJAGhvsJK8JIKRbIc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FuqsUcCOaFdGoe5cWJ6krgXBV06ZKHXTaJRlI7J3FJNWrPXDWb3tRR4qWcEwV4OzcyN10mQdmnnrIKMf4IoSXSa8X9SBhOtlaO82BUwzvOJcsA9PP9AE9WrDfHO49/Ch4vsaihP4f6ZV1GXjPdrAtmGcatuQ+aNxOfge7aN4Q88= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=U8/5AnMrnhvxyjhsNWRjY0S8RxbRTfkNoYdOdQ5Fo0qXV24oQ0EuUvx5M+yC3u40ffnda9LKGOn5uCia9OfSFHCGFDqrF/dnN1CwYuFTct4uI80gdQANq/1Ct1vDafCi+aMmJ1KdtTkj3UbbWOY8qH1Tu8rWYNBPYxHHStplU+I=; Message-ID: <138745.87082.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aPjH9EQVM1lNJkqiZG8po8uBGfvf.lKJx_hbLEowy.Ty8L3 HESoeu447yEt49Ukknc4c6OAxFiDf7Q02GkhDwkO5U8At1mRR58hdHhIPP44 8XuKbsh6b4iSWk3YbrNkVAXfF8xGyrak9REGa40xU3544MuQzLjCs7Jv9e2T iHkknECVNU0iXkrPnevHvzKawn5VpMwWLvg3QWgxM1tW5seA5UnCUzeSKgfD qHF3yBHJIXvly.AqA8v.SO62mo2AN.gxTVfo4fwWkXxRNk4QAa7rklsigiOn 1rYnAFxO.UKd9P.TKW4.drA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <8CD7033709E479F-1768-2219@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com>,<4D12862A.8010707@cruzio.com> ,<19959.29806.qm@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 03:12:36 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-998275424-1293102756=:87082" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:12:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-998275424-1293102756=:87082 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii GAreth, I followed a seminar a week long with my Qi Gong master: I will find the DV and the notes and get back into pratcice. A lot of static postures which require flexibility in the hips. I will look into it and let you know. Kick my but if you do not hear from me in two week time span. I am serious, I do a lot of this stuff... ANtony ________________________________ From: Gareth Whittock To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 11:32:37 AM Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice That'd be cool - what do I have to do? The older I get, the more thirst for life I have.. Peace G ________________________________ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:55:30 -0800 From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com have faith, how old will you be then? I know the Taoist techniques for very long life, maybe we should start practicing them... ________________________________ From: Gareth Whittock To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 6:43:32 AM Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice The next lunar eclipse is 2014 but the next one on the solstice will be 2094 - I think I'm gonna miss that one.. Peace G > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:13:46 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.como > To: nemoguitt@aol.com > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > but the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are > > moving faster! > My wife Chris, who is up on these things, said the next one is 2014. I > didn't verify it > but she's rarely wrong about her research into anything......one of the > sharpest human beings > I've ever met. > > rick walker > --0-998275424-1293102756=:87082 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
GAreth,

I followed a seminar a week long with my Qi Gong master: I will find the DV and the notes and get back into pratcice. A lot of static postures which require flexibility in the hips. I will look into it and let you know. Kick my but if you do not hear from me in two week time span. I am serious, I do a lot of this stuff...

ANtony

From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 11:32:37 AM
Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice

That'd be cool - what do I have to do? The older I get, the more thirst for life I have..
 
Peace
 
G
 
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:55:30 -0800
From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

have faith, how old will you be then? I know the Taoist techniques for very long life, maybe we should start practicing them...

From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 6:43:32 AM
Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice

The next lunar eclipse is 2014 but the next one on the solstice will be 2094 - I think I'm gonna miss that one..
 
Peace
 
G
 
> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:13:46 -0800
> From: looppool@cruzio.como
> To: nemoguitt@aol.com
> CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice
>
> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
> > but the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are
> > moving faster!
> My wife Chris, who is up on these things, said the next one is 2014. I
> didn't verify it
> but she's rarely wrong about her research into anything......one of the
> sharpest human beings
> I've ever met.
>
> rick walker
>


--0-998275424-1293102756=:87082-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 11:18:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF65E18347E; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_89c99ca0-36f6-4301-a133-74b1991c4eeb_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:18:39 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <138745.87082.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <8CD7033709E479F-1768-2219@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com>,<4D12862A.8010707@cruzio.com> ,<19959.29806.qm@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ,<138745.87082.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2010 11:18:39.0780 (UTC) FILETIME=[265E5640:01CBA293] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:18:41 +0000 (UTC) --_89c99ca0-36f6-4301-a133-74b1991c4eeb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cool - thank you. I will =20 Peace =20 G =20 Date: Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 03:12:36 -0800 From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com GAreth=2C I followed a seminar a week long with my Qi Gong master: I will find the DV= and the notes and get back into pratcice. A lot of static postures which r= equire flexibility in the hips. I will look into it and let you know. Kick = my but if you do not hear from me in two week time span. I am serious=2C I = do a lot of this stuff... ANtony From: Gareth Whittock To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu=2C December 23=2C 2010 11:32:37 AM Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice That'd be cool - what do I have to do? The older I get=2C the more thirst f= or life I have.. =20 Peace =20 G =20 Date: Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 01:55:30 -0800 From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com have faith=2C how old will you be then? I know the Taoist techniques for ve= ry long life=2C maybe we should start practicing them... From: Gareth Whittock To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu=2C December 23=2C 2010 6:43:32 AM Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice The next lunar eclipse is 2014 but the next one on the solstice will be 209= 4 - I think I'm gonna miss that one.. =20 Peace =20 G =20 > Date: Wed=2C 22 Dec 2010 15:13:46 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.como > To: nemoguitt@aol.com > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice >=20 > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > but the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are= =20 > > moving faster!=20 > My wife Chris=2C who is up on these things=2C said the next one is 2014. = I=20 > didn't verify it > but she's rarely wrong about her research into anything......one of the=20 > sharpest human beings > I've ever met. >=20 > rick walker >=20 = --_89c99ca0-36f6-4301-a133-74b1991c4eeb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cool =3B - thank you. I will
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Peace
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Date: Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 03:12:36 -0800
From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com
= Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice
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GAreth=2C

I followed a seminar a week long with my Qi Gong master: I will find t= he DV and the notes and get back into pratcice. A lot of static postures wh= ich require flexibility in the hips. I will look into it and let you know. = Kick my but if you do not hear from me in two week time span. I am serious= =2C I do a lot of this stuff...

ANtony

From: Gareth Whittock <= =3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.uk>=3B
T= o: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
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That'd be cool - what do I have to do? The older I get=2C the more =3Bt= hirst for life I have..
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= Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice
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have faith=2C how old will you be then? I know the Taoist techniques f= or very long life=2C maybe we should start practicing them...

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T= o: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu=2C December 23=2C 2010 6:43:32 AM
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>=3B >=3B On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
>=3B >=3B bu= t the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are
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= --_89c99ca0-36f6-4301-a133-74b1991c4eeb_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 12:29:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90102183456; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RmcEOTjlOY/xrufhWvyimTyAI7SBXatz8fqkHT7xzFU=; b=PRZtSSccYQUPWYilvqLfj+TcmoQrXfUgKXXpn1qwCanEIZJo7iT2XRFODuxXkCvtcI 8k9Be2iNk85Ap7yIFfWvBH1smGWeuc+id1ZBIgCSgy/ig5ZWLyEmVJSstTr3VPAdX7SU pfTTIHyfTf3mOw239KDxxeoCK+hpr9y5RhxMc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qTjFj9RDgAZU/eg9ruV4/eRvbPw6qPsvk5E0dc+q7zVMqKGLeuA8zjdbR6c61UaXm3 AguiqB7D0w1Pi0HFFxijAODqQL3MjW4c85Up0SVeJkdidds+KYQGuPV3BqX720o9If1Z UwAkYG9MRhCXY93Qjp0DzwHs/nXjHVg+GekOk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D132A7C.5060005@tiscali.co.uk> References: <2984402612C34FD78AF00709192DFF39@mpeserver> <4D1139A1.7080607@cruzio.com> <815351.13326.qm@web114510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D132A7C.5060005@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:29:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Re: the 60's 70's etc From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:29:50 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:54 AM, andy butler wrote: > The great thing about 60's 70's was that the each > band had it's own unique sound (even the crappy ones), > nowadays the bands can be described with reference to "other bands"...and > that's exactly what they sound like. Well put, Andy! That's very true. This is also the reason why we didn't spend that much time "searching for unique sounding bands" back then, as we do today. Today we can experience this new joy of looking for (and hopefully finding) new bands and artists that add a personal expression to the usual spam. In the 60's and 70's everything was new... eh, well at least until you finally got to hear the original classical composers or the delta blues original artists that were ripped off ;-)) I like today's (actually since late 80's when it began in mainstream music) tendency to steal from many other traditions and especially cool I find it when someone steals from a local tradition ("folk", "world", "ethnic"), blend it with something else and mash it all up. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 14:06:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F002183461; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4D12F224.80103@cruzio.com> References: <6904346.1293066688498.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4D12F224.80103@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2F75E3F5-5F1C-489F-90E2-C53828BB5376@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: the 60's Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 06:06:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=6.0 tests=RDNS_NONE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on host.newworlddelivery.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:06:32 +0000 (UTC) I love complete honesty (even if it's sometimes brutal, or otherwise) and speaking straight from the heart and with no BS. I do not agree with 100% all of the original post, but most of it I do, especially about the returning vets getting spit on. I was *very much* a very young protester against this very unjust war (which most wars are, regardless of the "official" reasons), but I did NOT condone anyone spitting on or abusing returning vets (a couple of them that were older, returning friends of mine, BTW) and also accusing them of crimes that 99.9% of them probably did NOT commit, along with also the fact that a LOT people got DRAFTED and a LOT of others had NO better economic opportunities and / or easily attained higher education opportunities choice left but TO sign up, or maybe turn to crime. (think about many of those in the Black ghettos and in the Latino barrios and poor Whites in Appalachia and all over elsewhere, and Native Americans stuck on hell holes known as the "reservations system"). This situation has been an economic reality in the USA (and likely elsewhere) for a few decades and that has remained ever since, and right on up to today. Sometimes makes me wonder if it is all "planned" this way and only for the profits of a select few. (but however, definitely for those profits of those select few, especially the war profiteers). A good chance that it is. Thanx for yer post here, Todd. It is another and different view that should be aired. And BTW, I also happily and with zero regrets, indulged in and reveled in the hedonistic joys and experiences of the (very late) 60's as a young teen. And also, not everyone who did so, and also managed to get deferments, were from a wealthy privileged class. I know for a personally experienced fact that a lot of them weren't. Many of them just got lucky and never had their Draft numbers get drawn and / or also managed to hold onto whatever crappy, slave wage jobs they may have had. ( I had a few of those at the time) But, at least they even had those jobs, which a lot of people today can't seem to find and would sure want. (With a lot of "thanx" to all of those greedy, "patriotic" American companies that have sent millions of former good paying American jobs ELSEWHERE such as to China ,etc) But, I also never lost awareness of the sufferings and injustices etc that were foisted upon others, both here in the USA and elsewhere, and usually due to no faults of their own. Never. 'Nam was another ugly chapter in American history and one that is being repeated today in Afghanistan. The big difference now is that the streets are no longer filled with millions of people protesting that war in Afghanistan anymore. There's reasons for this.... Best, Rev. Fever > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Todd Howell wrote: >> Rick, >> I respect your take on things and all of your experiences. They >> must've been magic at the time. Wonder years indeed. >> I remember very little of the era. I got a lot of memories second >> hand. I lived in fly-over country on a farm at the a** end of >> nowhere as a child. I remember watching my grandmother watching >> the casualty reports from Vietnam and fretting. Two neighbors on >> either side of us were there. One came back in a bag and the >> other minus three out of four limbs. There were fourteen names on >> my own high schools Vietnam Memorial. >> As with all cultural movements, there were I am sure the true >> believers and the opportunist free love and drug bunch along for >> the ride. I don't see the sixties as anything else other than >> another failed moment in the cultural eons. I had friends who I >> met through music, including one brilliant solo, Piedmont >> Bluesman, who also served in Vietnam. He told me stories of hippy >> girls spitting on him and calling him baby-killer. There were alot >> of those stories from my veteran friends. Sorry if I can't get on >> board with a bunch of rich, free love college kids who were >> fortunate enough to have parents who could buy them deferments >> while the poor white under-class and minorities got the dirty end >> of the cultural and economic stick and got p*ssed on for it. The >> zeitgeist was lovely. The execution terrible. >> As a child of the SST and Sub-Pop eighties punk movements, I >> became formed into the cynical mold that I am now. I trust no one. >> Not Fox News. Not MSNBC. Neither left nor right. Neither Wall >> Street or the Hippy after birth of an era. I admit to being an >> equal opportunity paranoid who believes that the twenty four hour >> cable news cycle is essentially the Special Olympics of bull-sh*t >> with a gigantic black hole of truth and fact at its' center. >> I admire and somehow envy your golden time and wish that I was a >> true believer in that way. I appreciate you sharing that and >> apologize to the list for a rant from a lurker. >> Lost But Respectful, >> Ransacker >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rick Walker >>> Sent: Dec 22, 2010 4:12 PM >>> To: richard sales >>> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: Re: the 60's >>> >>> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, richard sales wrote: >>>> Well... the hippies also used hard core civil disobedience to >>>> express >>>> our anger! It was a thrilling time. >>>> The free love and drugs was just a bonus for some of us. For >>>> some it >>>> was the core of the experience. They're the ones who went on to >>>> Wall >>>> Street and commerce. Truth is, they missed the most glorious >>>> boat of >>>> the time. >>> LOL, There is a common joke that goes, "If you remember the >>> 60's, then >>> you weren't there." >>> Sadly, sometimes I think that if you weren't there you just >>> don't get it. >>> >>> It's like Dickens said, "It was the best of times, it was the >>> worst of >>> times". >>> >>> American children were probably the most dysfunctional in our >>> National >>> history. Many (and NOT the majority) >>> were angry but they also wanted to buy out of the materialistic >>> culture >>> that had emerged from all the wealth >>> and conformity that characterized our culture at the end of World >>> War 2. >>> >>> I always think it is dangerous to put too much emphasis on a time in >>> one's life when one is first learning about the world and trying >>> to come >>> to terms with it's inequities (and it's delights) but there was >>> some kind >>> of magic in that time, at least for me. >>> >>> The one thing that I do miss about it was the , of course, >>> intrinsically naive, notion that we could >>> somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant >>> paradigm..........we could make a culture >>> that was less racist, less sexist, less ageist, less sizeist, >>> etc., etc. >>> >>> there was a feeling, artistically, that anything was possible and >>> that, >>> I believe is what led to the explosion >>> in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts >>> are to me >>> personally.....lol). >>> >>> that part of it was wonderful where I lived (and at my tender age >>> (I was >>> 14 in '67 but had a sister 4 years older >>> who was taking me to concerts and parties and be-ins all the >>> time----she >>> took my brother and I to >>> the Monterey Pop Festival and to the Filmore Auditorium on my 16th >>> birthday and turned me on, bless her heart) >>> >>> Youth seem far more cynical these days (and I teach them a lot so >>> I have >>> some experience saying this). >>> I suppose we can't blame them after they had to watch George Bush >>> stay >>> in office for eight years and all it represents, psychically and >>> politically. >>> >>> I always wish I could give them a little tiny bit of that naive >>> idealism >>> we had at that time........ >>> .....that sense that anything is possible. >>> >>> It was a good think even though some of my memory about that time >>> is dim >>> (lol). >>> >>> rick walker >>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 14:08:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0822D183457; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=32pgA3Yt9e1/0VZccQNsDC/BeEOnJdAtgxDYN60hPr4=; b=f9wjuJPFsj9jhj6vZOpquELg4cjE/ZORoGIt4A1xiiCYy0L1DI5q6yS8d//rtf6Byd frb38v4dV6w6dx9BlCl9wYgataLNFKiXAgxNuCRbWMO88Os6i9cc7J9IZqMrFtDPFnJg QGS2vx8DUpWjLEMeG/G15LjxRqQhAqTFdnQxk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=fv7ouZDukDWxabkU+8CZaDFUYytnzd4yTUSZumQWrVMQI4eaUuJL8fMOl0i8iP90jZ GJ8WYjp4on0at8vxM/yCimCwt4hwyK0by3HuP8019KId6wosvQoFZWfNm4KHOuB2OUB+ 4YLqYqPm90r+AA7wKt2rNesfP4QtCmNX5xux0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D1285C4.80704@cruzio.com> References: <883E4AEF-2206-42C7-9FED-D30FFBAFCFC6@glasswing.com> <4D1285C4.80704@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:08:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: the 60's From: Brian Good To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630e871bbbd9e0498146512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:08:01 +0000 (UTC) --00163630e871bbbd9e0498146512 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Rick Walker wrote: The one thing that I do miss about it was the , of course, intrinsically > naive, notion that we could > somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant > paradigm..........we could make a culture > that was less racist, less sexist, less ageist, less sizeist, etc., etc. > > there was a feeling, artistically, that anything was possible and that, I > believe is what led to the explosion > in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts are to me > personally.....lol). > > As usual, Hunter Thompson got it right: "And that, I think, was the handle - that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of old and evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply prevail. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look west, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back." --Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas --00163630e871bbbd9e0498146512 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Rick Wa= lker <looppool@= cruzio.com> wrote:

The one thing that I do miss about it was the , =A0of course, intrinsically= naive, notion that we could
somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant paradigm......= ....we could make a culture
that was less racist, less sexist, less ageist, less sizeist, etc., etc.
there was a feeling, artistically, that anything was possible and that, I b= elieve is what led to the explosion
in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts are to me pe= rsonally.....lol).


As usual, Hunter Thompson g= ot it right:

"And that, I think, was the handle - that sense of= inevitable victory over the forces of old and evil. Not in any mean or mil= itary sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply prevail. We h= ad all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave.= So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las V= egas and look west, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the = high-water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.&= quot;

--Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

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--00163630e871bbbd9e0498146512-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 16:17:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91BFA183458; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:15:44 -0500 To: thread-topic: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? thread-index: AcuivMl4VaklyLL0SnKeARxBpvs6JA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2010 16:16:59.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[D37DCEE0:01CBA2BC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches on the floor, so here's= a relevant on topic question. =20 What are the best looping shoes????? Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Revfever wrote: >> PS- Speaking of THE RESIDENTS, they are doing a show with PRIMUS in Oakla= nd at the Fox Theater SOON on Dec.30th for any of you that are in that ar= ea! (Rick W? And...?) >> http://www.songkick.com/concerts/7085826-primus-at-fox-theater > I got to open for the Residents a few years ago and it was such a peak exp= erience > for me that I think I might not go see them again. >=20 > I always appreciated them, frankly, but never loved them like so many peop= le did. >=20 > I seemed to have an atypical relationship to a lot of artists that are dea= rly loved by > lots of people on this list. I always appreciated Zappa but never lo= ved him..... > the same with King Crimson, Fripp, Primus, the Residents, Mr. Bungle,= > Captain Beefheart, Tom Waits. >=20 > ********************************* >=20 > warning, the next bit is really self indulgent, so you can skip over it.= .....it's just > a bunch of stuff that I love.............. >=20 > ********************************* >=20 > I always feel like a heretic admitting this, but the people I've loved hav= e been > people like the Beatles, the early Stones, a ton of early British Invasio= n when it was > on the riff rock side of things, Cream, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, Joni M= itchell, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, Peter Gabriel (but not so much any= more), James Brown, Motown and Stax/Volt 60's soul, Roots Reggae, African= Pop music, Middleeastern Pop music, Nine Inch Nails,the Cure (but nothing,= really, after Disentegration), Boards of Canada, Aphex Twin (but not the l= ater stuff), Autechre (but only the middle period), Bjork, the Knife, Fev= er Ray, Sufjan Stevens, Elliot Smith, Miles Davis (particularly his modal pe= riod and early fusion periods), Ralph Vaugh Williams, Maurice Ravel and then= a lot of records by people that ended up being their worst selling records:= > Veedon Fleece by Van Morrison > Happy/Sad by Tim Buckley > Along the Red Ledge by Hall & Oates > Heroes and Low by Bowie > Before and After Science by Brian Eno > Kiko by Los Lobos >=20 > and then I really round this odd list off with individual tracks by straig= ht up pop artists like > Missy Elliot, Eminem, Chrisina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, Madonna, Evel= yn 'Champagne' King, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Thomas Dolby, Peter Murphy, K= ings of Leon, > MGMT and the list goes. >=20 > this reminds me: I'm in a particular love affair with simple riff rock l= ately and playing as minimally as I've ever played with Done Beginner my wif= e's band........using really big, thick drum sticks......listening to the Ki= lls, the Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs, the Dead Weather, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club (= their rockier stuff), Filter, Local H, Nirvana, > Soundgarden, New Order (this great record that didn't sell well for them c= alled 'Get Ready'), Editors > and even some early U2. >=20 > okay, there's more, but I'm rambling........... >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 16:26:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C4C318345A; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 177456.11926.bm@omp1014.mail.ird.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=grBVKDNxii26yCj/EHzHxhlTjADthDlMM0ahDihTMGDVG/JHSm9CQAhD2LRucx4SEDw+0uahtGctNEkD4rq+mjTGtqGPIJkDWbHahxDA11sjgAnmqMJNsNA/B759jw8HdNbGwcUUuSeesfNPut1XC33CJ18dQvrHYLAbOlbTYXI= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1293121572; bh=Zbnb1IuZkOAiE/JdNeH+AQ2mnHwoKXiPablpq8zGv2Q=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=FT1l1uoizgdSGpEXelATgVwZJIVg6361aE2NjlexR4G8LA8P+5ylMUETFknq9GywoePUjv4cqpNZFebPxvIQzjyf/ww96XMkPr8p09/ik/BPx8uyvM5gnfXffwvwSZmGi47XKsEEdHoXF4478jzjpgqzZ9z1Y/ml/YVzhw9GhCU= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: G4QvZDcVM1nWBO.Hj4XwSc6iSK2VjXJEda7lIs7d39ZJekk _Jsu8SSf.IPD8U3oXc2mvcjLSCePKZhIhS_SqrthhhqgT2KE.dNWzvcSbTP2 n_CDVdB62mDBVfSgPN2.4Cg9H8lQCDNVHXdwRJG02mMfwA25luf97fe8G5OB JOfs1HHvxTfc1By1yWHqnHRocucO8u7tikKMbEXerLMdEp3GPlyekL6Vlu6X 3YlDEjDQ1z97oveAM_OSMwK0qZr.4JSgC_f7BCPTddfAvWH_D8K64.maVJM_ brKrtRAEzVfJrXHOpMAmTsnfBXvdP X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-18--865737170 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:25:58 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:26:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-18--865737170 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Converse - nothing comes close :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 23 Dec 2010, at 16:15, Andy Owens wrote: > Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches on the floor, > so here's a relevant on topic question. > > What are the best looping shoes????? > > Andy Owens > 1-800-AndyOwens > Sent from my iPhone > So the typing might not be my best! > > > On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Revfever wrote: >>> PS- Speaking of THE RESIDENTS, they are doing a show with PRIMUS >>> in Oakland at the Fox Theater SOON on Dec.30th for any of you >>> that are in that area! (Rick W? And...?) >>> http://www.songkick.com/concerts/7085826-primus-at-fox-theater >> I got to open for the Residents a few years ago and it was such a >> peak experience >> for me that I think I might not go see them again. >> >> I always appreciated them, frankly, but never loved them like so >> many people did. >> >> I seemed to have an atypical relationship to a lot of artists that >> are dearly loved by >> lots of people on this list. I always appreciated Zappa but >> never loved him..... >> the same with King Crimson, Fripp, Primus, the Residents, Mr. >> Bungle, >> Captain Beefheart, Tom Waits. >> >> ********************************* >> >> warning, the next bit is really self indulgent, so you can skip >> over it......it's just >> a bunch of stuff that I love.............. >> >> ********************************* >> >> I always feel like a heretic admitting this, but the people I've >> loved have been >> people like the Beatles, the early Stones, a ton of early British >> Invasion when it was >> on the riff rock side of things, Cream, Led Zeppelin, David >> Bowie, Joni Mitchell, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, Peter >> Gabriel (but not so much anymore), James Brown, Motown and Stax/ >> Volt 60's soul, Roots Reggae, African Pop music, Middleeastern >> Pop music, Nine Inch Nails,the Cure (but nothing, really, after >> Disentegration), Boards of Canada, Aphex Twin (but not the later >> stuff), Autechre (but only the middle period), Bjork, the >> Knife, Fever Ray, Sufjan Stevens, Elliot Smith, Miles Davis >> (particularly his modal period and early fusion periods), Ralph >> Vaugh Williams, Maurice Ravel and then a lot of records by people >> that ended up being their worst selling records: >> Veedon Fleece by Van Morrison >> Happy/Sad by Tim Buckley >> Along the Red Ledge by Hall & Oates >> Heroes and Low by Bowie >> Before and After Science by Brian Eno >> Kiko by Los Lobos >> >> and then I really round this odd list off with individual tracks >> by straight up pop artists like >> Missy Elliot, Eminem, Chrisina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, >> Madonna, Evelyn 'Champagne' King, Siouxsie and the Banshees, >> Thomas Dolby, Peter Murphy, Kings of Leon, >> MGMT and the list goes. >> >> this reminds me: I'm in a particular love affair with simple >> riff rock lately and playing as minimally as I've ever played with >> Done Beginner my wife's band........using really big, thick drum >> sticks......listening to the Kills, the Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs, the >> Dead Weather, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club (their rockier stuff), >> Filter, Local H, Nirvana, >> Soundgarden, New Order (this great record that didn't sell well >> for them called 'Get Ready'), Editors >> and even some early U2. >> >> okay, there's more, but I'm rambling........... >> > --Apple-Mail-18--865737170 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Converse - nothing comes close :)

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 23 Dec 2010, = at 16:15, Andy Owens wrote:

Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches = on the floor, so here's a relevant on topic question.  

What are = the best looping shoes?????

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my = iPhone
So the typing might not be my = best!


On Dec = 23, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> = wrote:

=
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, = Revfever wrote:
PS- = Speaking of THE RESIDENTS, they are doing a show with PRIMUS in Oakland = at the Fox Theater SOON on   = Dec.30th  for = any of you that are in that area! (Rick W? And...?)
=
I got to open for the Residents = a few years ago and it was such a peak experience
for me that I think I might not go see them = again.

I always appreciated them, frankly, but never loved = them like so many people did.

I seemed to have an atypical = relationship to a lot of artists that are dearly loved by
lots of people on this list.       I always = appreciated Zappa but never loved him.....
the same = with King Crimson,  = Fripp,   = Primus,  the = Residents,  Mr. = Bungle,
Captain Beefheart,  Tom Waits.


warning,   the next bit is really = self indulgent, so you can skip over it......it's just
a bunch of stuff that I love..............


I always feel like a heretic = admitting this, but the people I've loved have been
people like the Beatles, the early Stones,  a ton of early British = Invasion when it was
on the riff rock side of = things, Cream, Led Zeppelin,  = David Bowie,  = Joni Mitchell, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young,  Peter Gabriel (but not so = much anymore), James Brown,  = Motown and Stax/Volt 60's soul,  Roots Reggae,  African Pop music,  Middleeastern Pop music, = Nine Inch Nails,the Cure (but nothing, really, after = Disentegration),  = Boards of Canada, Aphex Twin (but not the later stuff),  Autechre (but only the = middle period), Bjork,  = the Knife,  = Fever Ray, Sufjan Stevens, Elliot Smith, Miles Davis = (particularly his modal period and early fusion periods), Ralph Vaugh = Williams, Maurice Ravel and then a lot of records by people that ended = up being their worst selling records:
Veedon = Fleece by Van Morrison
Happy/Sad by Tim = Buckley
Along the Red Ledge by Hall = & Oates
Heroes and Low by = Bowie
Before and After Science by = Brian Eno
Kiko by Los Lobos

and then = I really round this odd list off with individual tracks by straight up = pop artists like
Missy Elliot, Eminem,  Chrisina Aguilera, Justin = Timberlake, Madonna, Evelyn 'Champagne' King, Siouxsie and the Banshees, = Thomas Dolby, Peter Murphy, Kings of Leon,
MGMT and = the list goes.

this reminds me:  I'm in  a particular love affair = with simple riff rock lately and playing as minimally as I've ever = played with Done Beginner my wife's band........using really big, thick = drum sticks......listening to the Kills, the Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs,  the Dead Weather, Black = Rebel Motorcycle Club (their rockier stuff), Filter, Local H, = Nirvana,
Soundgarden, New Order (this = great record that didn't sell well for them called 'Get Ready'), = Editors
and even some early = U2.

okay, there's more, but I'm = rambling...........
Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:30:32 +0000 (UTC) --0-2032336076-1293121830=:85248 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii finally something down to earth:-) The best shoes I found are UVEX work shoes. They are meant for rugged work, have a rigid sole and a shell to protect the toes, but they are still light, flexible and look kool... Hey that kicks it, they are black and red and look like slick bowling shoes. I always get comments form the fashion oriented ladies, and I don't mind (heavy wink)! The rigid sole makes the button punching more accurate and less tough on the feet! Antony ________________________________ From: Andy Owens To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:15:44 PM Subject: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches on the floor, so here's a relevant on topic question. What are the best looping shoes????? Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Revfever wrote: >> PS- Speaking of THE RESIDENTS, they are doing a show with PRIMUS in Oakland at >>the Fox Theater SOON on Dec.30th for any of you that are in that area! (Rick >>W? And...?) >> http://www.songkick.com/concerts/7085826-primus-at-fox-theater > I got to open for the Residents a few years ago and it was such a peak >experience > for me that I think I might not go see them again. > > I always appreciated them, frankly, but never loved them like so many people >did. > > I seemed to have an atypical relationship to a lot of artists that are dearly >loved by > lots of people on this list. I always appreciated Zappa but never loved >him..... > the same with King Crimson, Fripp, Primus, the Residents, Mr. Bungle, > Captain Beefheart, Tom Waits. > > ********************************* > > warning, the next bit is really self indulgent, so you can skip over >it......it's just > a bunch of stuff that I love.............. > > ********************************* > > I always feel like a heretic admitting this, but the people I've loved have >been > people like the Beatles, the early Stones, a ton of early British Invasion >when it was > on the riff rock side of things, Cream, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, Joni >Mitchell, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, Peter Gabriel (but not so much >anymore), James Brown, Motown and Stax/Volt 60's soul, Roots Reggae, African >Pop music, Middleeastern Pop music, Nine Inch Nails,the Cure (but nothing, >really, after Disentegration), Boards of Canada, Aphex Twin (but not the later >stuff), Autechre (but only the middle period), Bjork, the Knife, Fever Ray, >Sufjan Stevens, Elliot Smith, Miles Davis (particularly his modal period and >early fusion periods), Ralph Vaugh Williams, Maurice Ravel and then a lot of >records by people that ended up being their worst selling records: > Veedon Fleece by Van Morrison > Happy/Sad by Tim Buckley > Along the Red Ledge by Hall & Oates > Heroes and Low by Bowie > Before and After Science by Brian Eno > Kiko by Los Lobos > > and then I really round this odd list off with individual tracks by straight up >pop artists like > Missy Elliot, Eminem, Chrisina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, Madonna, Evelyn >'Champagne' King, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Thomas Dolby, Peter Murphy, Kings >of Leon, > MGMT and the list goes. > > this reminds me: I'm in a particular love affair with simple riff rock lately >and playing as minimally as I've ever played with Done Beginner my wife's >band........using really big, thick drum sticks......listening to the Kills, the >Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs, the Dead Weather, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club (their rockier >stuff), Filter, Local H, Nirvana, > Soundgarden, New Order (this great record that didn't sell well for them called >'Get Ready'), Editors > and even some early U2. > > okay, there's more, but I'm rambling........... > --0-2032336076-1293121830=:85248 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
finally something down to earth:-)

The best shoes I found are UVEX work shoes. They are meant for rugged work, have a rigid sole and a shell to protect the toes, but they are still light, flexible and look kool... Hey that kicks it, they are black and red and look like slick bowling shoes. I always get comments form the fashion oriented ladies, and I don't mind (heavy wink)!

The rigid sole makes the button punching more accurate and less tough on the feet!

Antony

From: Andy Owens <andy@1800dialword.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:15:44 PM
Subject: Ok, back on topic, shoe question?

Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches on the floor, so here's a relevant on topic question. 

What are the best looping shoes?????

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!


On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Revfever wrote:
>> PS- Speaking of THE RESIDENTS, they are doing a show with PRIMUS in Oakland at the Fox Theater SOON on  Dec.30th  for any of you that are in that area! (Rick W? And...?)
>> http://www.songkick.com/concerts/7085826-primus-at-fox-theater
> I got to open for the Residents a few years ago and it was such a peak experience
> for me that I think I might not go see them again.
>
> I always appreciated them, frankly, but never loved them like so many people did.
>
> I seemed to have an atypical relationship to a lot of artists that are dearly loved by
> lots of people on this list.      I always appreciated Zappa but never loved him.....
> the same with King Crimson,  Fripp,  Primus,  the Residents,  Mr. Bungle,
> Captain Beefheart,  Tom Waits.
>
> *********************************
>
> warning,  the next bit is really self indulgent, so you can skip over it......it's just
> a bunch of stuff that I love..............
>
> *********************************
>
> I always feel like a heretic admitting this, but the people I've loved have been
> people like the Beatles, the early Stones,  a ton of early British Invasion when it was
> on the riff rock side of things, Cream, Led Zeppelin,  David Bowie,  Joni Mitchell, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young,  Peter Gabriel (but not so much anymore), James Brown,  Motown and Stax/Volt 60's soul,  Roots Reggae,  African Pop music,  Middleeastern Pop music, Nine Inch Nails,the Cure (but nothing, really, after Disentegration),  Boards of Canada, Aphex Twin (but not the later stuff),  Autechre (but only the middle period), Bjork,  the Knife,  Fever Ray, Sufjan Stevens, Elliot Smith, Miles Davis (particularly his modal period and early fusion periods), Ralph Vaugh Williams, Maurice Ravel and then a lot of records by people that ended up being their worst selling records:
> Veedon Fleece by Van Morrison
> Happy/Sad by Tim Buckley
> Along the Red Ledge by Hall & Oates
> Heroes and Low by Bowie
> Before and After Science by Brian Eno
> Kiko by Los Lobos
>
> and then I really round this odd list off with individual tracks by straight up pop artists like
> Missy Elliot, Eminem,  Chrisina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, Madonna, Evelyn 'Champagne' King, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Thomas Dolby, Peter Murphy, Kings of Leon,
> MGMT and the list goes.
>
> this reminds me:  I'm in  a particular love affair with simple riff rock lately and playing as minimally as I've ever played with Done Beginner my wife's band........using really big, thick drum sticks......listening to the Kills, the Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs,  the Dead Weather, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club (their rockier stuff), Filter, Local H, Nirvana,
> Soundgarden, New Order (this great record that didn't sell well for them called 'Get Ready'), Editors
> and even some early U2.
>
> okay, there's more, but I'm rambling...........
>


--0-2032336076-1293121830=:85248-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 16:31:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85AFB183475; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293121862; bh=om3JD2oOOLudr0jU1F9Dsx/gbz8AhPpxJqfwQJ8WgBc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5VaJyNHzHd5UFl/9vm4XvzRkKhSoZ8dXmC37RgZO9NFWiy19/ZrMPTRuoBhOpPrdAmSrmuizxqdwatMzmQpmkAn+DIkoS4vcP9jMdXgtv+QkUBk4Bn0q0E5KpePKFQF/G7mAJx5bwhJCRL4RljHvwHdlF0JFE7A5eOGq5Xj6sWU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gJo3+P12XtIospc3FiPSckkECFP5u6JsOZpbUnFYsanTSE7s9afcFGOAbmkybCMOY2/EWJ0et4QgMi4jgbIKgPOmR4ZMcDmrCYrLqPck4+KxUMXtq2FpLyeYyAks7PQl9dd9z9x3C4s4qjUWGfO7bxcDIy5vtCBvVvkrTT5z41s=; Message-ID: <607332.85638.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: harfdb4VM1k8bQCB.5kOD9D8xHalR4mOWF4n30VITcxJKt8 zcIuDjTGK863Ae1vK.nifWOAUzAhHdjjQrD6zjlURMyUqmBLEKpBXW94As_s JGUqn7YJwe9lzp8sGtpSzqOREU1PritUSO4YjN4Y1pIlzdNQ2xB1wFacsTlZ QQnfPsDXfgZLq3inlFjuUEuv0FpQXObzfK4zTAGy_u1utQCw_6jgHXOmiYrV SlgHoOK6lSfojVR_9iO3Y.XLp6oq1JTXzuKeDsO5vihp0wFgdZzuVod14xX_ pUJ51hHjIYx8Ijzmab66czQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:31:02 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-682952398-1293121862=:85638" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:31:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-682952398-1293121862=:85638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the white high tops? A ________________________________ From: Matt Stevens To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:25:58 PM Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Converse - nothing comes close :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 23 Dec 2010, at 16:15, Andy Owens wrote: Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches on the floor, so here's a relevant on topic question. > > >What are the best looping shoes????? > > >Andy Owens >1-800-AndyOwens >Sent from my iPhone >So the typing might not be my best! > > > > >On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > > >On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Revfever wrote: >>PS- Speaking of THE RESIDENTS, they are doing a show with PRIMUS in Oakland at >>the Fox Theater SOON on Dec.30th for any of you that are in that area! (Rick >>W? And...?) >>>http://www.songkick.com/concerts/7085826-primus-at-fox-theater >I got to open for the Residents a few years ago and it was such a peak >experience >for me that I think I might not go see them again. > > >I always appreciated them, frankly, but never loved them like so many people >did. > > >I seemed to have an atypical relationship to a lot of artists that are dearly >loved by >lots of people on this list. I always appreciated Zappa but never loved >him..... >the same with King Crimson, Fripp, Primus, the Residents, Mr. Bungle, >Captain Beefheart, Tom Waits. > > >********************************* > > >warning, the next bit is really self indulgent, so you can skip over >it......it's just >a bunch of stuff that I love.............. > > >********************************* > > >I always feel like a heretic admitting this, but the people I've loved have been >people like the Beatles, the early Stones, a ton of early British Invasion when >it was >on the riff rock side of things, Cream, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, Joni >Mitchell, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, Peter Gabriel (but not so much >anymore), James Brown, Motown and Stax/Volt 60's soul, Roots Reggae, African >Pop music, Middleeastern Pop music, Nine Inch Nails,the Cure (but nothing, >really, after Disentegration), Boards of Canada, Aphex Twin (but not the later >stuff), Autechre (but only the middle period), Bjork, the Knife, Fever Ray, >Sufjan Stevens, Elliot Smith, Miles Davis (particularly his modal period and >early fusion periods), Ralph Vaugh Williams, Maurice Ravel and then a lot of >records by people that ended up being their worst selling records: >Veedon Fleece by Van Morrison >Happy/Sad by Tim Buckley >Along the Red Ledge by Hall & Oates >Heroes and Low by Bowie >Before and After Science by Brian Eno >Kiko by Los Lobos > > >and then I really round this odd list off with individual tracks by straight up >pop artists like >Missy Elliot, Eminem, Chrisina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, Madonna, Evelyn >'Champagne' King, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Thomas Dolby, Peter Murphy, Kings >of Leon, >MGMT and the list goes. > > >this reminds me: I'm in a particular love affair with simple riff rock lately >and playing as minimally as I've ever played with Done Beginner my wife's >band........using really big, thick drum sticks......listening to the Kills, the >Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs, the Dead Weather, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club (their rockier >stuff), Filter, Local H, Nirvana, >Soundgarden, New Order (this great record that didn't sell well for them called >'Get Ready'), Editors >and even some early U2. > > >okay, there's more, but I'm rambling........... > > --0-682952398-1293121862=:85638 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
the white high tops?

A

From: Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:25:58 PM
Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question?

Converse - nothing comes close :)


On 23 Dec 2010, at 16:15, Andy Owens wrote:

Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches on the floor, so here's a relevant on topic question.  

What are the best looping shoes?????

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!


On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Revfever wrote:
PS- Speaking of THE RESIDENTS, they are doing a show with PRIMUS in Oakland at the Fox Theater SOON on   Dec.30th  for any of you that are in that area! (Rick W? And...?)
I got to open for the Residents a few years ago and it was such a peak experience
for me that I think I might not go see them again.

I always appreciated them, frankly, but never loved them like so many people did.

I seemed to have an atypical relationship to a lot of artists that are dearly loved by
lots of people on this list.       I always appreciated Zappa but never loved him.....
the same with King Crimson,  Fripp,   Primus,  the Residents,  Mr. Bungle,
Captain Beefheart,  Tom Waits.

*********************************

warning,   the next bit is really self indulgent, so you can skip over it......it's just
a bunch of stuff that I love..............

*********************************

I always feel like a heretic admitting this, but the people I've loved have been
people like the Beatles, the early Stones,  a ton of early British Invasion when it was
on the riff rock side of things, Cream, Led Zeppelin,  David Bowie,  Joni Mitchell, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young,  Peter Gabriel (but not so much anymore), James Brown,  Motown and Stax/Volt 60's soul,  Roots Reggae,  African Pop music,  Middleeastern Pop music, Nine Inch Nails,the Cure (but nothing, really, after Disentegration),  Boards of Canada, Aphex Twin (but not the later stuff),  Autechre (but only the middle period), Bjork,  the Knife,  Fever Ray, Sufjan Stevens, Elliot Smith, Miles Davis (particularly his modal period and early fusion periods), Ralph Vaugh Williams, Maurice Ravel and then a lot of records by people that ended up being their worst selling records:
Veedon Fleece by Van Morrison
Happy/Sad by Tim Buckley
Along the Red Ledge by Hall & Oates
Heroes and Low by Bowie
Before and After Science by Brian Eno
Kiko by Los Lobos

and then I really round this odd list off with individual tracks by straight up pop artists like
Missy Elliot, Eminem,  Chrisina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, Madonna, Evelyn 'Champagne' King, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Thomas Dolby, Peter Murphy, Kings of Leon,
MGMT and the list goes.

this reminds me:  I'm in  a particular love affair with simple riff rock lately and playing as minimally as I've ever played with Done Beginner my wife's band........using really big, thick drum sticks......listening to the Kills, the Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs,  the Dead Weather, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club (their rockier stuff), Filter, Local H, Nirvana,
Soundgarden, New Order (this great record that didn't sell well for them called 'Get Ready'), Editors
and even some early U2.

okay, there's more, but I'm rambling...........




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From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:37:58 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Andy Owens wrote: > What are the best looping shoes????? White. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 16:39:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8261118347F; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=wKVTWvVC+7v3lozAbbGyEP1F/SA0v6sZnaYFOSAx1OU=; b=u7n9xOTWfsLNMzH5UCenaWy2VaydgkCstLrsSmCLt3/fXThLuTVkLq2y+w7A6CvIHT i21WOQ3SPURTVSf83j3WZWYb7zQN/dXlqukmmIRAyG20DhdkqfGmdQ6tr4hjWU2jbcc7 Io7E94+Jmb8pDg7RkVvh9rU2GwVyFHwsB0w1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=wMervJHV9z4OjXYlPpH1n/ooUFv969VppEPccXqTKzs+3rxpy7oEFmx6j/rwHj+Ka5 Kx9wG1iFafiIUVf+6drTJL1NISetsAL/IqAdqK60HLxdMvfX1EBKcEXjFj6Vllde1Lyd LdlcAPrVNzlc60wfiMrJrZsWd+jYbgQS47+6w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:39:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a5d0f5870404981684c1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:39:56 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5a5d0f5870404981684c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable lol. good one Pair. ;) On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Andy Owens wrote= : > > What are the best looping shoes????? > > > White. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 In C Remixed now released on iTunes and Amazon! :: Read about it here.= .. http://bit.ly/3Pm4g3 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds --001636c5a5d0f5870404981684c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable lol. =A0good one Pair. =A0;)

On Thu, Dec = 23, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Andy Owens <andy@1800dialword.com> wrote:
> What are the best looping shoes?????


White.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
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--001636c5a5d0f5870404981684c1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 16:43:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBBD218348D; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_407841a6-6f5f-41d0-a6ba-997759cfe356_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:43:40 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com>,<4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com>,<6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2010 16:43:40.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DB1A040:01CBA2C0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:43:43 +0000 (UTC) --_407841a6-6f5f-41d0-a6ba-997759cfe356_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable None at all - weather permitting - I was thinking about this the other day= =2C (what sad geek). Since loopers regard their looping rigs as instrument= s=2C it makes sense not to wear shoes while "playing" the pedals. After all=2C you wouldn't play the guitar with gloves on would you? =20 Peace =20 G =20 > Date: Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 17:37:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: Ok=2C back on topic=2C shoe question? > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > On Thu=2C Dec 23=2C 2010 at 5:15 PM=2C Andy Owens = wrote: > > What are the best looping shoes????? >=20 >=20 > White. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 = --_407841a6-6f5f-41d0-a6ba-997759cfe356_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable None at all - =3Bweather permitting - I was thinking about this the oth= er day=2C (what =3B sad geek). Since loopers regard their looping rigs = as instruments=2C it makes sense not to wear shoes
while =3B"playing" the =3Bpedals.
After all=2C you wouldn't play the guitar with gloves on would you?
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Peace
 =3B
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 =3B
>=3B Date: Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 17:37:56 +0100
>=3B Subject: Re: Ok=2C= back on topic=2C shoe question?
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>=3B
>=3B On Thu=2C = Dec 23=2C 2010 at 5:15 PM=2C Andy Owens <=3Bandy@1800dialword.com>=3B w= rote:
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>=3B www.looproom.com internet music hub
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= = --_407841a6-6f5f-41d0-a6ba-997759cfe356_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 16:48:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D453C183476; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012230057 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-23_08:2010-12-23,2010-12-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:47:59 -0700 References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Since going the laptop route I guess, for me, it'll be bare foot and learning to type with my toes.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 16:49:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AED02183476; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JfH38uyX9HYV3/L/lDBgMT4jXy8WlgcIz+ZphPQlq7o=; b=XivNkxT7WWXA8gxPnhmD6ambarZUfk1xGAY3G4qxh4m57uejWBudQM41/GYCPT5vHJ y2YIZ2JhjTS431HVaSiwbXCqrZTJvny/u+XpQOXnL1CfDh2MIefLgpf2IsPGwbK34PHS iCfspCgf1b58zKXPRMCt2ZsiCaUlnWdlc4exw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=knwRYI0JYNWUegA3al+SOuiY7OnaCNnQ2r8jtpafrM+hkE+Y9C2NlM/uFP3i8lKdOC 9yZA5BVJnmT39ok6x8D5ckt58jDtI9NOWvnVz/I/AICf8VE8WwCBHvXmEPzZFX1AqoCi E5v7p9/BWemtae4euSDAkcWaCV+y+qqhrIjh0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:49:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <8wwrpB.A.d-C.r23ENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:49:47 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > After all, you wouldn't play the guitar with gloves on would you? Well, I could do that if I was allowed to first customize the gloves by cutting off its fingers. Accordingly, white shoes with holes for toes would be rad for looping. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen ;-) www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 16:51:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 312CD183476; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293123064; bh=vqubbMq7uSPQd+WWN6vHlB/KX3pVLbS1kawt6yQicHQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BkNprWAZ9KED+xK4Ym5Z0tvEA6rIMs8dK1KovMjkGcfHZufLwxIc9lk6FDxsZgNcaBe03Tm8ucq8yioVVcpMbuyp4SU0+vaVIe+DOy2IiW738H6TIvbV+DWDaO07i4oSmbTJFv+9NCD8QKVa1qSeMHrPJ/qST8yBfLbEHlnZiQk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s/wLpBgjNs1pLh+JQ37Zj4QlP+XN1xBNypQCtEG7dB/1Lo8D7JGlL94etZXPnrB2Yppk/OySejCGSzOIH4hU/OgZMcXl0DA20GE0G6gl7CvnjqpNIn8toIPPCwyVJJRZtRHFcW1qQrd9378iIIB8QodHegtfMwPFapeh2dqHSHk=; Message-ID: <404159.94304.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DNxEW3oVM1mZQoYHa.zgl3_a5.jR.KWCYOy1zGnlzOwApL4 KCp57_x9s9kHi9iaYgRuJN_MYtdSteDdwSyXBGv3Lc0cCSGlaQ3Sto4gl0uk J9RXonUGRz0eppLj3PoycXvt4OTVb6v4bRZkk0O.EQhdoma6o_uWN1blZrp0 1gTSxWk2rUdmFjovQNr97bfdseqtOzn4Z9iiiUORn9nE.NqEJEa1RIV3FGFt i9b7EpLchJ0p4.JizsLyuqp.cbWbxMJyBGpM47ehYSvODXZZSD9ojt31MF_J JW76ZtzYKvhWdg6AdQKwU X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com>,<4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com>,<6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com>, Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:51:03 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1823376777-1293123063=:94304" Resent-Message-ID: <63pHq.A.SFD.533ENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:51:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-1823376777-1293123063=:94304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I tried but find it hard on the feet. A ________________________________ From: Gareth Whittock To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:43:40 PM Subject: RE: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? None at all - weather permitting - I was thinking about this the other day, (what sad geek). Since loopers regard their looping rigs as instruments, it makes sense not to wear shoes while "playing" the pedals. After all, you wouldn't play the guitar with gloves on would you? Peace G > Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:37:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Andy Owens wrote: > > What are the best looping shoes????? > > > White. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > --0-1823376777-1293123063=:94304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I tried but find it hard on the feet.

A

From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:43:40 PM
Subject: RE: Ok, back on topic, shoe question?

None at all - weather permitting - I was thinking about this the other day, (what  sad geek). Since loopers regard their looping rigs as instruments, it makes sense not to wear shoes
while "playing" the pedals.
After all, you wouldn't play the guitar with gloves on would you?
 
Peace
 
G

 
> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:37:56 +0100
> Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question?
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Andy Owens <andy@1800dialword.com> wrote:
> > What are the best looping shoes?????
>
>
> White.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>

--0-1823376777-1293123063=:94304-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 16:55:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD6CE183485; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fLX/gsmI9EdzmIDoy+Wtbz0n7EpmvZA5tA8+rSAzvW8=; b=V/3V55BRihpL97O9Y2U4n/tXiSbD3QgJwo/F8fvr5gqF1Hs08tcOnHJqN+kxYtosdp L15QOtckdgXzd/ZjM12aGnHx+r/mNpmKOu+ej81uemX8ngLTBdO3EINB2XhhBwCIiIK1 +m/mZfaZBQX1qx2hQX8VyjyvYNDB03MLy4tFc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nPD2Hydh8jXKv2r17yB0qngD9EqZzHurbLeuLn71HZzcbEhnpsJyVMDDNVg2CZOAdH qou2huVgIKxWXNQIWNOFkdmJPMI1459DzawLyd1xXkLBo3igUZweR7D+Uw/vgYexVEre 4LaEjsdwQbsDus7N2sm2q9dRq4AIZNRXmJQAM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <404159.94304.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> <404159.94304.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:55:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a2038a626d049816bb77 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:55:11 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a2038a626d049816bb77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://img.wolverineworldwide.com/is/image/bulk/cat7/2009/8/24/CAT-W710203-07.tif?op_usm=0.5,1&wid=500&hei=500&qlt=70&fmt=png-alpha this is my choice of looping shoes :-) -Petri- 2010/12/23 > I tried but find it hard on the feet. > > A > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Gareth Whittock > *To:* loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Thu, December 23, 2010 5:43:40 PM > *Subject:* RE: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? > > None at all - weather permitting - I was thinking about this the other day, > (what sad geek). Since loopers regard their looping rigs as instruments, it > makes sense not to wear shoes > while "playing" the pedals. > After all, you wouldn't play the guitar with gloves on would you? > > Peace > > G > > > > Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:37:56 +0100 > > Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? > > From: perboysen@gmail.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Andy Owens > wrote: > > > What are the best looping shoes????? > > > > > > White. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se > > www.perboysen.com > > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a2038a626d049816bb77 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://img.wolverineworldwide.com/is/image/bulk/cat7/20= 09/8/24/CAT-W710203-07.tif?op_usm=3D0.5,1&wid=3D500&hei=3D500&q= lt=3D70&fmt=3Dpng-alpha

this is my choice of looping shoes :-)

-Petri-

2010/12/23 <antonyhequet@yahoo.com>
I tried but find it hard on the feet.

A

From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-= delight.com
Sent: T= hu, December 23, 2010 5:43:40 PM
Subject: RE: Ok, back on t= opic, shoe question?

None at all -=A0weather permitting - I was thinking about this the other da= y, (what=A0 sad geek). Since loopers regard their looping rigs as instrumen= ts, it makes sense not to wear shoes
while=A0"playing" the=A0pedals.
After all, you wouldn't play the guitar with gloves on would you?
=A0
Peace
=A0
G

=A0
> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:37:56 +0100
> Subject: Re: Ok, back on= topic, shoe question?
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Andy Owens <andy@1800dialword.com>= wrote:
> > What are the best looping shoes?????
>
> =
> White.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boy= sen
> www.boysen.s= e
> www.pe= rboysen.com
> www.looproom.com= internet music hub
>
=20




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http://petrilahtine= n.blogspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/pet= rilahtinen
http://twitt= er.com/PetriLahtinen
= http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
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--20cf3054a2038a626d049816bb77-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 16:55:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF07D183495; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Raj15x3fBYusIIMVt+eHysHdh7zR5/5FTAFsaJPDexE=; b=iD3Wiqp2zhla+umsqjX9Pk5744qJliWpV0TnvwG26asFxbDc+YJlFNIy/WGOL2xtDM tLnHy2sfyyTn4aECQ7GfVnT801vlNcs6uFEp3szTUJ9buIfujUZL40v6lZ3PqkyLO8/B KVLI+z6eP8xkThna5QPVZnWMoncRE2jIf8+cc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=HzoB6OEqC1c5F6bCAMgwA/LAQu1qeNQUR2/5N3ZNY2N5FzZmpDCTP/SIh2zOQr/J3A wYSdXKjnji5TcZvSogmuEqNxvXUC2cmbgTKXnbl0Bvvlbg5PkwVyLOO5KcKqwCIy7R6h z1hmDXXhoUCltnujzUkCpFqY9QgiLZ8U19BY8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19959.29806.qm@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <8CD7033709E479F-1768-2219@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com> <4D12862A.8010707@cruzio.com> <19959.29806.qm@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:55:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:55:28 +0000 (UTC) 141 j On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:55 AM, wrote: > have faith, how old will you be then? I know the Taoist techniques for very > long life, maybe we should start practicing them... > ________________________________ > From: Gareth Whittock > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 6:43:32 AM > Subject: RE: OT: Lunar Solstice > > The next lunar eclipse is 2014 but the next one on the solstice will be 2094 > - I think I'm gonna miss that one.. > > Peace > > G > >> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:13:46 -0800 >> From: looppool@cruzio.como >> To: nemoguitt@aol.com >> CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Re: OT: Lunar Solstice >> >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >> > but the next time is 2095 or something like that.....things really are >> > moving faster! >> My wife Chris, who is up on these things, said the next one is 2014. I >> didn't verify it >> but she's rarely wrong about her research into anything......one of the >> sharpest human beings >> I've ever met. >> >> rick walker >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 16:59:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B2C4183494; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:59:50 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3672138C-D5CC-47F1-82EB-360887776B6F@trufun.com> References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:59:52 +0000 (UTC) My wife bought me a pair of Vibram running shoes with the individual = toes. They're pretty good. I still prefer my stockin' feet whenever = possible, but for outdoor gigs these will do. On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Andy Owens wrote: > What are the best looping shoes????? David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 17:05:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 881C71834A4; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> <404159.94304.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-3--863446183"; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: <404159.94304.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:04:08 -0500 To: thread-topic: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? thread-index: Acuiw4+VdWw/MDFNTr2KVJeZE+jPOQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2010 17:05:50.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[A67ACFE0:01CBA2C3] Resent-Message-ID: <8DzIWD.A.CoD.vF4ENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:05:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--863446183 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I like barefoot to but electocution is something I havent worked into the se= t!! Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 23, 2010, at 11:51 AM, wrote: > I tried but find it hard on the feet. >=20 > A >=20 > From: Gareth Whittock > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:43:40 PM > Subject: RE: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? >=20 > None at all - weather permitting - I was thinking about this the other day= , (what sad geek). Since loopers regard their looping rigs as instruments, i= t makes sense not to wear shoes > while "playing" the pedals. > After all, you wouldn't play the guitar with gloves on would you? > =20 > Peace > =20 > G >=20 > =20 > > Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:37:56 +0100 > > Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? > > From: perboysen@gmail.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >=20 > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Andy Owens wrot= e: > > > What are the best looping shoes????? > >=20 > >=20 > > White. > >=20 > > Greetings from Sweden > >=20 > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se > > www.perboysen.com > > www.looproom.com internet music hub > >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-3--863446183 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 PGh0bWw+PGJvZHkgYmdjb2xvcj0iI0ZGRkZGRiI+PGRpdj5JIGxpa2UgYmFyZWZvb3QgdG8gYnV0 IGVsZWN0b2N1dGlvbiBpcyBzb21ldGhpbmcgSSBoYXZlbnQgd29ya2VkIGludG8gdGhlIHNldCEh PGJyPjxicj5BbmR5IE93ZW5zPGRpdj4xLTgwMC1BbmR5T3dlbnM8L2Rpdj48ZGl2PlNlbnQgZnJv 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looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 762771834AF; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 02:12:27 +0900 Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? From: Dustbunnies To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Thread-Index: AcuivMl4VaklyLL0SnKeARxBpvs6JAAB8lPQ In-Reply-To: <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:12:32 +0000 (UTC) On 12/24/10 1:15 AM, "Andy Owens" wrote: > > Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches on the floor, so here's a > relevant on topic question. > > What are the best looping shoes????? Wrestling shoes, IMNSHO. They're tight yet comfy like sneakers, but they have a thin flexible sole so you can actually feel the buttons under your feet. --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 17:15:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E4031834B6; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 553197265/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.31.68/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.31.68 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsBANsSE01YbR9E/2dsb2JhbAAMlgPQHYVKBI4V X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,219,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="553197265" Message-ID: <4D1383B7.8040305@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:15:35 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com>,<4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com>,<6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com>, In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:15:11 +0000 (UTC) The Tai Chi slippers with the plastic( not rope ) soles. Cheap, and easy to slip on. Barefoot is great for fcb1010, but with the Gordius LG I found it all to easy for the switches to find the gaps between the toes, and not activate. While it *is* possible to get those small switches with just the big toe I found that I often missed when it came to actual live performance as opposed to rehearsal. andy butler Gareth Whittock wrote: > None at all - weather permitting - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 17:22:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 563301834C0; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2f7e3253-53f2-426c-9354-c21687f23b74_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.52.96] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:21:51 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com>,<4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com>,<6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com>,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2010 17:21:51.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[E343A7B0:01CBA2C5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:21:56 +0000 (UTC) --_2f7e3253-53f2-426c-9354-c21687f23b74_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hehe.. =20 . Accordingly=2C white shoes with holes for > toes would be rad for looping. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen =3B-) > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 = --_2f7e3253-53f2-426c-9354-c21687f23b74_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hehe..
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>=3B www.boysen.se
>=3B www.perboysen.com
>= =3B www.looproom.com internet music hub
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= --_2f7e3253-53f2-426c-9354-c21687f23b74_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 17:51:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1809183458; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a3fc6323-432f-4d53-89c5-95c65d042c70_" X-Originating-IP: [24.21.162.195] From: Jeremy devros To: Subject: RE: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:51:44 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com>,<4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com>,<6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com>,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2010 17:51:44.0634 (UTC) FILETIME=[100975A0:01CBA2CA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:51:46 +0000 (UTC) --_a3fc6323-432f-4d53-89c5-95c65d042c70_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ninja tabi shoes are cool and allow for the individual movement of the big = toe --And =3D=2C after all that is the main one needed for flexibility. And I have played guitar with gloves on! It actually worked using black lea= ther driving gloves!=20 See the vid! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEKuE6ZkxNd4 about half way thru=20 J.D.Devros From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Ok=2C back on topic=2C shoe question? Date: Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 16:43:40 +0000 None at all - weather permitting - I was thinking about this the other day= =2C (what sad geek). Since loopers regard their looping rigs as instrument= s=2C it makes sense not to wear shoes while "playing" the pedals. After all=2C you wouldn't play the guitar with gloves on would you? =20 Peace =20 G =20 > Date: Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 17:37:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: Ok=2C back on topic=2C shoe question? > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > On Thu=2C Dec 23=2C 2010 at 5:15 PM=2C Andy Owens = wrote: > > What are the best looping shoes????? >=20 >=20 > White. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 = --_a3fc6323-432f-4d53-89c5-95c65d042c70_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ninja tabi shoes are cool and allow for the individual movement of the big = toe --And =3D=2C after all that is the main one needed for flexibility.
= And I have played guitar with gloves on! It actually worked using black lea= ther driving gloves!
See the vid!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= =3DEKuE6ZkxNd4

about half way thru
J.D.Devros

From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
To: loopers-delight@loopers-= delight.com
Subject: RE: Ok=2C back on topic=2C shoe question?
Date: = Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 16:43:40 +0000

None at all - =3Bweather permitting - I was thinking about this the oth= er day=2C (what =3B sad geek). Since loopers regard their looping rigs = as instruments=2C it makes sense not to wear shoes
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After all=2C you wouldn't play the guitar with gloves on would you?
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Peace
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>=3B Date: Thu=2C 23 Dec 2010 17:37:56 +0100
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>=3B On Thu=2C = Dec 23=2C 2010 at 5:15 PM=2C Andy Owens <=3Bandy@1800dialword.com>=3B w= rote:
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= = --_a3fc6323-432f-4d53-89c5-95c65d042c70_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 17:56:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17019183499; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293126984; bh=0c/xxbv4GdfnjYdhzmyG8nCnU0l1kvAQ2PUgZ23Au7E=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1EfhfESxi5OIdGrj4NXDuE7V+OrgC9MtDLxuvyh4uGKMvbJ/DRusl5Elb6Yr7lQvkc/ol8vG7V0OGm1je0f8SsSbOQFQ+lC6MwOueZvuPc4ZJ50laelB5AeOUeGHV7/kuIhZjTXbmI8Wx+Unv0rwmON73kKlq2jEwVMab4rvnfw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NYxnWh0jRqUONYPtqUMgLE6jOZiba8pdew2kHSydtNjoYg3iFcY9wMNKhR5bdbSADwUO1KrkoWnO/81M0n6YxwL/de3++ehZY5SCPNIs2Fm+3JJOKACNbD1JoJdkrtuHVOo9awJj0G/wih4jOnkuYd78Obi+GDjt35uSRek+tUQ=; Message-ID: <523904.51011.qm@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: R7OaSg0VM1l15qd5FqhegbZebaNGaESBc8rXX_nD_fwyUtK j4tBrojezL7BzRjPXGQm7UU52_A8nCf3bpQYyO4rVQH4I.mcYJZS5Vs_hS7M cdJ1Tps53gRGD9luTrKGlv43EPZPmRXFvajX3nh2KULi1b4JhES0E3Pmr1ap OD7urku2Yze16Y4ab_quJo00EhW_ry_zhvL_C6NaPwLZfmoHzphsFSjUPJwE WObJDly8a23mm.Vf2sjbVSK97Rq8qkgEwBFLGAyBlMl6Td5fYcfrw0JTBlBu 3HU8ZyQuluD06 X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:56:24 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="403450488-1354810760-1293126984=:51011" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:56:26 +0000 (UTC) --403450488-1354810760-1293126984=:51011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yup, I have boxing shoes that fit thta description and work nicely. A ________________________________ From: Dustbunnies To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 6:12:27 PM Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? On 12/24/10 1:15 AM, "Andy Owens" wrote: > > Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches on the floor, so here's a > relevant on topic question. > > What are the best looping shoes????? Wrestling shoes, IMNSHO. They're tight yet comfy like sneakers, but they have a thin flexible sole so you can actually feel the buttons under your feet. --m. --403450488-1354810760-1293126984=:51011 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Yup, 

I have boxing shoes that fit thta description and work nicely.
A

From: Dustbunnies <mech@m3ch.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 6:12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question?

On 12/24/10 1:15 AM, "Andy Owens" <andy@1800dialword.com> wrote:
>
> Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches on the floor, so here's a
> relevant on topic question.
>
> What are the best looping shoes?????

Wrestling shoes, IMNSHO.  They're tight yet comfy like sneakers, but they
have a thin flexible sole so you can actually feel the buttons under your
feet.

        --m.



--403450488-1354810760-1293126984=:51011-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 18:09:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A72591834AD; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mta6.brinkster.com From: "CM" To: References: <2984402612C34FD78AF00709192DFF39@mpeserver> <4D1139A1.7080607@cruzio.com> <815351.13326.qm@web114510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D132A7C.5060005@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D132A7C.5060005@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: OT Re: the 60's 70's etc Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:09:33 -0800 Message-ID: <007401cba2cc$8d5495b0$a7fdc110$@asyouthink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLpYkm94+oznr+tpXA/SIDiMw6HfQFxbPjDAaDy9qsCdnaOfpFGjZmw Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:09:43 +0000 (UTC) "Damn kids..." LOL.. Caedmon -----Original Message----- The great thing about 60's 70's was that the each band had it's own unique sound (even the crappy ones), nowadays the bands can be described with reference to "other bands"...and that's exactly what they sound like. andy butler (age 49) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 18:23:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1062A1834BB; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g1FpfNBeHMv563qun/+yOHPK41sYCWVwG7B+PN73IvY=; b=BrgfkuE8Gbyq0VcAaqoaVyHnMUW8UwgoPe0btrayST05hPE65S9n1Q6UQkjlPVrcVt 3GKWPDmVHvjHXzGenIT8Gmv7JTmNRVFonkU42jKsqAZktFg73JThuDE/V4W99B3IwVFD xbBBgQdmMt1V5lMYTGYqZ6o6f27+F1GKHYtSk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=mEp7O6wWU4cGN9eKSykQpBnywVM65jnK7yH1rxyBKb3SG+jR+aj7MnuyV8N4jmZAaT B7diqvYnOrut3lyD/Orxo4SmN9qwyi/3WXjy9glmFaj+UupCExaLAuyVnD8Pc3sRVYQK bRwRKpfIecYZixvW/84uJLvOWVxQ3Rf7WL79g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:23:49 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Residents and other bands From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:23:52 +0000 (UTC) I had my Residents phase back in my early/mid 20s. They really haven't been the same band since 1983 or so. (Those are not linked statements - I'm in my 30s.) I saw them in 2001, and found myself wishing I'd seen them 20-25 years earlier. In my heavy iPod rotation right now: Pram, Madlib (including Jaylib, Madvillian, Quasimoto, etc), Juana Molina, Long Fin Killie --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt Rick Walker was like: > > I got to open for the Residents a few years ago and it was such a peak > experience > for me that I think I might not go see them again. > > I always appreciated them, frankly, but never loved them like so many peo= ple > did. > > I seemed to have an atypical relationship to a lot of artists that are > dearly loved by > lots of people on this list. =A0 =A0 =A0 I always appreciated Zappa but n= ever > loved him..... > the same with King Crimson, =A0Fripp, =A0 Primus, =A0the Residents, =A0Mr= . Bungle, > Captain Beefheart, =A0Tom Waits. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 18:30:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 074B11834BD; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? References: <523904.51011.qm@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-4--858384665"; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: <523904.51011.qm@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2DC7BBF6-8F87-43F6-A3A6-54624DD9D352@1800dialword.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:28:31 -0500 To: thread-topic: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? thread-index: Acuiz1VXsDUnMvUVRj+hXwjxIWdxPQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2010 18:30:07.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C6E5090:01CBA2CF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:30:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--858384665 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ooh thats an idea, wrestler boots like Nacho Libre!!! Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 23, 2010, at 12:56 PM, "antonyhequet@yahoo.com" wrote: > Yup,=20 >=20 > I have boxing shoes that fit thta description and work nicely. > A >=20 > From: Dustbunnies > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 6:12:27 PM > Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? >=20 > On 12/24/10 1:15 AM, "Andy Owens" wrote: > > > > Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches on the floor, so he= re's a > > relevant on topic question. > >=20 > > What are the best looping shoes????? >=20 > Wrestling shoes, IMNSHO. They're tight yet comfy like sneakers, but they > have a thin flexible sole so you can actually feel the buttons under your > feet. >=20 > --m. >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-4--858384665 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 PGh0bWw+PGJvZHkgYmdjb2xvcj0iI0ZGRkZGRiI+PGRpdj5Pb2ggdGhhdHMgYW4gaWRlYSwgd3Jl c3RsZXIgYm9vdHMgbGlrZSBOYWNobyBMaWJyZSEhITxicj48YnI+QW5keSBPd2VuczxkaXY+MS04 MDAtQW5keU93ZW5zPC9kaXY+PGRpdj5TZW50IGZyb20gbXkgaVBob25lPGRpdj5TbyB0aGUgdHlw aW5nIG1pZ2h0IG5vdCBiZSBteSBiZXN0ITwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2 PjxkaXY+PGJyPk9uIERlYyAyMywgMjAxMCwgYXQgMTI6NTYgUE0sICI8YSBocmVmPSJtYWlsdG86 YW50b255aGVxdWV0QHlhaG9vLmNvbSI+YW50b255aGVxdWV0QHlhaG9vLmNvbTwvYT4iICZsdDs8 YSBocmVmPSJtYWlsdG86YW50b255aGVxdWV0QHlhaG9vLmNvbSI+YW50b255aGVxdWV0QHlhaG9v LmNvbTwvYT4mZ3Q7IHdyb3RlOjxicj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj48L2Rpdj48YmxvY2txdW90ZSB0 eXBlPSJjaXRlIj48ZGl2PjxkaXYgc3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtZmFtaWx5OmFyaWFsLCBoZWx2ZXRpY2Es IHNhbnMtc2VyaWY7Zm9udC1zaXplOjE0cHQiPjxkaXY+WXVwLCZuYnNwOzwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGJy PjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+SSBoYXZlIGJveGluZyBzaG9lcyB0aGF0IGZpdCB0aHRhIGRlc2NyaXB0aW9u IGFuZCB3b3JrIG5pY2VseS48L2Rpdj48ZGl2PkE8L2Rpdj48ZGl2IHN0eWxlPSJmb250LWZhbWls eTphcmlhbCwgaGVsdmV0aWNhLCBzYW5zLXNlcmlmO2ZvbnQtc2l6ZToxNHB0Ij48YnI+PGRpdiBz dHlsZT0iZm9udC1mYW1pbHk6YXJpYWwsIGhlbHZldGljYSwgc2Fucy1zZXJpZjtmb250LXNpemU6 MTNweCI+PGZvbnQgc2l6ZT0iMiIgZmFjZT0iVGFob21hIj48aHIgc2l6ZT0iMSI+PGI+PHNwYW4g c3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtd2VpZ2h0OiBib2xkOyI+RnJvbTo8L3NwYW4+PC9iPiBEdXN0YnVubmllcyAm bHQ7PGEgaHJlZj0ibWFpbHRvOm1lY2hAbTNjaC5uZXQiPm1lY2hAbTNjaC5uZXQ8L2E+Jmd0Ozxi cj48Yj48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9udC13ZWlnaHQ6IGJvbGQ7Ij5Ubzo8L3NwYW4+PC9iPiA8YSBo cmVmPSJtYWlsdG86TG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20iPjxhIGhyZWY9 Im1haWx0bzpMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRAbG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbSI+TG9vcGVycy1EZWxp Z2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb208L2E+PC9hPjxicj48Yj48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9udC13 ZWlnaHQ6IGJvbGQ7Ij5TZW50Ojwvc3Bhbj48L2I+IFRodSwgRGVjZW1iZXIgMjMsIDIwMTAgNjox MjoyNyBQTTxicj48Yj48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9udC13ZWlnaHQ6IGJvbGQ7Ij5TdWJqZWN0Ojwv c3Bhbj48L2I+IFJlOiBPaywgYmFjayBvbiB0b3BpYywgc2hvZSBxdWVzdGlvbj88YnI+PC9mb250 Pjxicj4NCk9uIDEyLzI0LzEwIDE6MTUgQU0sICJBbmR5IE93ZW5zIiAmbHQ7PGEgeW1haWx0bz0i bWFpbHRvOmFuZHlAMTgwMGRpYWx3b3JkLmNvbSIgaHJlZj0ibWFpbHRvOmFuZHlAMTgwMGRpYWx3 b3JkLmNvbSI+PGEgaHJlZj0ibWFpbHRvOmFuZHlAMTgwMGRpYWx3b3JkLmNvbSI+YW5keUAxODAw ZGlhbHdvcmQuY29tPC9hPjwvYT4mZ3Q7IHdyb3RlOjxicj4mZ3Q7PGJyPiZndDsgQWxscmlnaHQg ZmVsbGVycywgSSBrbm93IGxvdHMgb2YgdXMnbnMgaGF2ZSBzd2l0Y2hlcyBvbiB0aGUgZmxvb3Is IHNvIGhlcmUncyBhPGJyPiZndDsgcmVsZXZhbnQgb24gdG9waWMgcXVlc3Rpb24uPGJyPiZndDsg PGJyPiZndDsgV2hhdCBhcmUgdGhlIGJlc3QgbG9vcGluZyBzaG9lcz8/Pz8/PGJyPjxicj5XcmVz dGxpbmcgc2hvZXMsIElNTlNITy4mbmJzcDsgVGhleSdyZSB0aWdodCB5ZXQgY29tZnkgbGlrZSBz bmVha2VycywgYnV0IHRoZXk8YnI+aGF2ZSBhIHRoaW4gZmxleGlibGUgc29sZSBzbyB5b3UgY2Fu IGFjdHVhbGx5IGZlZWwgdGhlIGJ1dHRvbnMgdW5kZXIgeW91cjxicj5mZWV0Ljxicj48YnI+Jm5i c3A7ICZuYnNwOyAmbmJzcDsgJm5ic3A7IC0tbS48YnI+PGJyPjxicj48L2Rpdj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2 IHN0eWxlPSJwb3NpdGlvbjpmaXhlZCI+PC9kaXY+DQoNCg0KPC9kaXY+PGJyPg0KDQogICAgICA8 L2Rpdj48L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+PC9ib2R5PjwvaHRtbD4= --Apple-Mail-4--858384665-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 18:45:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E77D1834C7; 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boundary=Apple-Mail-1--857353238 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: OT: kind of loopish Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:45:42 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:45:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--857353238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holiday time wasting fun if needed: Graphical sequencer -- check out the Demo http://www.isleoftune.com/ and a generative "musical ecosystem" http://seaquence.org/ via Neatorama and Boing Boing cheers BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego --Apple-Mail-1--857353238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.isleoftune.com/
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X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57E311834BD; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <9EC0EFDCE542499992CAF8B854384E24@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <99565912.554890.1293132056398.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: <99565912.554890.1293132056398.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:45:36 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:45:40 +0000 (UTC) I have an odd set of feet: my little toe is the same size as the one next to it. This makes for real fun when trying to find shoes that fit... While I have never searched enough to find the kind of marshal-artist-style sock/shoes worn by Buckaroo Banzai - I recall a thread like this on LD back in the late 90s - I have found real satisfaction with a pair of Lacoste sneakers, as they're not combat-boot-toe-shaped and are comfortable as well. I only wish I could find a black and a red pair (this last for my Christmas shows coming up). I'd think bicycle-oriented shoes would work as well. Oh, and I'm playing daily from Christmas Day to January 5 on ustream at 5pm London time. Though the temperature between the house and the studio just doesn't permit playing in pajamas like last year! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/twelve-days-of-christmas-2010-11 Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net http://www.earthlight.tv * Sent from a PC, not an iPhone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 20:14:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B63881834A4; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Subject: Re: EDP loop capture From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:14:10 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:14:13 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 20, 2010, at 4:53 PM, William Walker wrote: > "Would it be possible without a lot of fancy footwork to use either = the Looperlative or the RC-50 to do loop capture from an EDP (or a = stereo pair of EDPs)?" >=20 > ????? Mark I feel this question is a bit vague so its hard for me to = answer, but I'll try. Of course its very easy to run one looper in to = another and resample loops, I do this all the time using the M-9 to = create a loop and resample it using my Looperlative, I assume it would = be just as easy with an EDP or two feeding an RC-50, looperlative or = other stereo looper, however the RC-50 is somewhat limited in what it = can do compared to the Looperlative and I'm not sure if it has a true = stereo input, someone chime in please.. But fancy footwork? By that do = you mean having one controller control both units? I personally prefer = having separate control surfaces for separate loopers, though I'm no = Savion Glover, it takes the guess work out of having to figure out = which loop you are controlling from one midi pedal. I thought you = went so far as to buy a looperlative? Okay. Some more clarity. Yes, I've got a Looperlative. While it works well as a multi-track = looper, I haven't found it as natural for evolving and manipulating = loops as the EDP with Loop IV. I find the operating modes approach of = the EDP to work better for me than the command sequence approach of the = Looperlative. (A certain tendency on the part of the Looperlative to crash -- a = problem Randolf Arriola and I seem to share but you don't suggesting = we're pushing it in different ways than you -- has also made me cautious = with the Looperlative. It feels like there are ragged edges in the = software and/or system demands and it isn't entirely clear where they = are.) So, that then leads to the question of how could I leverage the two = together and the seemingly natural thing to do is use the Looperlative = as a way of capturing various EDP built loops and manipulating them. This is basically a resampling problem and I'm well aware of loop = resampling as a concept. The issues that I've been concerned with = include: * Getting the timing right seems to be relatively critical for avoiding = pops and clicks at the boundaries. * Having to execute lots of carefully timed operations is a distraction = from performing. What I really want to say is, "I like this loop. Save = it into a slot on the multi-track looper and start a new loop on the = EDP" and I want to say it with as few operations as possible. Can I get things to lock well enough using MIDI to get reliable, = seamless loop capture? How sophisticated a MIDI controller am I likely to need to make it all = work? As for the RC-50, it comes up because I figure I really only need a few = loops beyond the EDP and it's basically self-contained which has a = certain degree of attractiveness. (I'm seriously contemplating trying to = figure out how to turn the EDPs into a floor unit...) But if I need a = serious MIDI controller, then I probably might as well live with a rack = for the EDPs and the LP-1. Mark P.S. Y2KX was interesting from the standpoint of working only with the = looper in the M13. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 20:17:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E5081834A4; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Mark Hamburg X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <9EC0EFDCE542499992CAF8B854384E24@ELUK1> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:17:13 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2199C713-07CE-44A2-A025-FE2CCF5B621A@grubmah.com> References: <99565912.554890.1293132056398.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> <9EC0EFDCE542499992CAF8B854384E24@ELUK1> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:17:17 +0000 (UTC) For several years, I performed in my socks. Those work great with the = EDP footpedal. They don't feel so good with the Line6 switches. Then, probably about the time I started standing up while performing, I = started using cowboy boots because they have nice solid, pointy toes. I went with tennis shoes at Y2KX because I didn't bother to bring my = boots with me to Santa Cruz (though they certainly would have fit in the = car). Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 20:42:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE34B18349D; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <05665371-852D-4E13-B2C4-AC69DCF2A4B8@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: Residents and other bands Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:42:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=6.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on obf2.tritico.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:42:53 +0000 (UTC) The Residents have always been an ever-evolving troupe and more than just "a band" and have incorporated all kinds of other elements into their creations and shows along with also creating and producing an astounding number of other products and swag, etc. Some people "get it" with them and some do not. No big deal. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. But, apparently a lot of people did, and / or still do since their shows are usually packed in other cities that I have seen them in thru out the years.(Dallas,TX, Seattle, WA, Portland,OR) I've happily stayed "on board" with them all these many, many years and have always been pleased as punch that I did. Remember that famous line from Sly and the Family Stone: "Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks" :-) Grape Nut Flakes, Rev. Fever On Dec 23, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > I had my Residents phase back in my early/mid 20s. They really haven't > been the same band since 1983 or so. (Those are not linked statements > - I'm in my 30s.) I saw them in 2001, and found myself wishing I'd > seen them 20-25 years earlier. > > In my heavy iPod rotation right now: Pram, Madlib (including Jaylib, > Madvillian, Quasimoto, etc), Juana Molina, Long Fin Killie > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > Rick Walker was like: >> >> I got to open for the Residents a few years ago and it was such a >> peak >> experience >> for me that I think I might not go see them again. >> >> I always appreciated them, frankly, but never loved them like so >> many people >> did. >> >> I seemed to have an atypical relationship to a lot of artists that >> are >> dearly loved by >> lots of people on this list. I always appreciated Zappa but >> never >> loved him..... >> the same with King Crimson, Fripp, Primus, the Residents, Mr. >> Bungle, >> Captain Beefheart, Tom Waits. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 20:51:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46EBC18349A; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XwCa1uv2cQLkIKOXfeW6ki5cVu7aXEVx9ibMqSLQANI=; b=EDvSbv8EPUWqWYmKH9bCCzqnUaGK30MHjYw1uMCmxqQQb5890iTAVtJGLlWRUk+D8Z VZP4fKJejqH727+XH4gV0VucQsmq8iQP9zQ4JNHlyu6W4nU/LqwymGOlzYC+bs2xKIBE f9XphowdRXnmM56YdOMsjIjINNpYT+OVNbmfE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WSBtf8fBdor4vgom3AOKvSbk1tIjSfB7xOM/GxEWsAXx6VeM7j+mXcXnRf5FvAJCmC 2vLbZM4HI12pTEMyfTbcTL0saFUGwa7DO/iwNgS2uBRd49e5ZhV6Y9bF4ONgzH//RAOo ingfrJvl1io7rSV2XOJkH7FgBp+Zzv0kw22yo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:51:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP loop capture From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi, this is an interesting problem, but I have neither of those loopers, so my contribution will be rather theoretical... The crucial part of the problem is making sure the LP1 captures the loop cleanly. Ideally, when you press a button, the LP1 would wait for the beginning of a cycle on the EDP and capture untill the end of the cycle. Everything else is fancy footwork or programming a sophisticated footcontroller (gordius?) or a sequencer / laptop. To that end, I'd look first at what midi messages, if any, the EDP can send at the begining or end of a cycle. You could use those to trigger events in either the LP1 or in another controller (or sequencer/laptop) and this could help you set the start and end point of your loop capture in the LP1. If the EDP can't do this (or some variant that allows you to calculate the lenght of time to capture), you might need to use a sequencer to automate loop capture on both device (may not be an option for you, depending on your use of the EDP). good luck, and let us know how you end up solving this Sylvain On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > On Dec 20, 2010, at 4:53 PM, William Walker wrote: > >> "Would it be possible without a lot of fancy footwork to use either the = Looperlative or the RC-50 to do loop capture from an EDP (or a stereo pair = of EDPs)?" >> >> ????? Mark =A0I feel this question is a bit vague so its hard for me to = answer, but I'll try. =A0Of course its very easy to run one looper in to an= other and resample loops, I do this all the time using the M-9 to create a = loop and resample it using my Looperlative, I assume it would be just as ea= sy with an EDP or two feeding an RC-50, looperlative or other stereo looper= , however the RC-50 is somewhat limited in what it can do compared to the L= ooperlative and I'm not sure if it has a true stereo input, someone chime i= n please.. =A0But fancy footwork? By that do you mean having one controller= control both units? I personally prefer having separate control surfaces f= or separate loopers, though I'm no Savion Glover, =A0it takes the guess wor= k out of =A0having to figure out which loop you are controlling from one mi= di pedal. =A0 I =A0thought you went so far as to buy a looperlative? > > Okay. Some more clarity. > > Yes, I've got a Looperlative. While it works well as a multi-track looper= , I haven't found it as natural for evolving and manipulating loops as the = EDP with Loop IV. I find the operating modes approach of the EDP to work be= tter for me than the command sequence approach of the Looperlative. > > (A certain tendency on the part of the Looperlative to crash -- a problem= Randolf Arriola and I seem to share but you don't suggesting we're pushing= it in different ways than you -- has also made me cautious with the Looper= lative. It feels like there are ragged edges in the software and/or system = demands and it isn't entirely clear where they are.) > > So, that then leads to the question of how could I leverage the two toget= her and the seemingly natural thing to do is use the Looperlative as a way = of capturing various EDP built loops and manipulating them. > > This is basically a resampling problem and I'm well aware of loop resampl= ing as a concept. The issues that I've been concerned with include: > > * Getting the timing right seems to be relatively critical for avoiding p= ops and clicks at the boundaries. > > * Having to execute lots of carefully timed operations is a distraction f= rom performing. What I really want to say is, "I like this loop. Save it in= to a slot on the multi-track looper and start a new loop on the EDP" and I = want to say it with as few operations as possible. > > Can I get things to lock well enough using MIDI to get reliable, seamless= loop capture? > > How sophisticated a MIDI controller am I likely to need to make it all wo= rk? > > As for the RC-50, it comes up because I figure I really only need a few l= oops beyond the EDP and it's basically self-contained which has a certain d= egree of attractiveness. (I'm seriously contemplating trying to figure out = how to turn the EDPs into a floor unit...) But if I need a serious MIDI con= troller, then I probably might as well live with a rack for the EDPs and th= e LP-1. > > Mark > > P.S. Y2KX was interesting from the standpoint of working only with the lo= oper in the M13. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 21:09:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C328183498; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 553220928/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.31.68/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.31.68 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjACALNJE01YbR9E/2dsb2JhbAAMlgTQa4VKBI4V X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,220,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="553220928" Message-ID: <4D13BA97.6050203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:09:43 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP loop capture References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> "Would it be possible without a lot of fancy footwork to use either the Looperlative or the RC-50 to do loop capture from an EDP (or a stereo pair of EDPs)?" >> > Okay. Some more clarity. > > Yes, I've got a Looperlative. While it works well as a multi-track looper, I haven't found it as natural for evolving and manipulating loops as the EDP with Loop IV. I find the operating modes approach of the EDP to work better for me than the command sequence approach of the Looperlative. You might find that if you analyse your favourite moves from the edp that get you to where you want to go it's possible to get the Looperlative to fill the same role. > > (A certain tendency on the part of the Looperlative to crash -- Which software version are you using? 1.38 is deadly (that's the one available by direct download) 1.37 is (I think) what Bill uses, it's too flaky for *some* of what I've tried to do with it. It certainly seems that v.short loops and a fast stream of commands can kill it. 1.34c is generally considered stable, I *can* crash it but only by going a bit unreasonable. > > So, that then leads to the question of how could I leverage the two together and the seemingly natural thing to do is use the Looperlative as a way of capturing various EDP built loops and manipulating them. > > This is basically a resampling problem and I'm well aware of loop resampling as a concept. The issues that I've been concerned with include: > > * Getting the timing right seems to be relatively critical for avoiding pops and clicks at the boundaries. Never had that as a problem, I regularly resample onto the EDPs from Vortex or EH SMM loops. Should be the same for LP1. ...of course getting the timing right isn't trivial. > What I really want to say is, "I like this loop. Save it into a slot on the multi-track looper and start a new loop on the EDP" and I want to say it with as few operations as possible. > > Can I get things to lock well enough using MIDI to get reliable, seamless loop capture? yes, (although I haven't tested that with the LP1) > > How sophisticated a MIDI controller am I likely to need to make it all work? > fcb1010 using Note-On for edp, and ProgCh for LP1. I wonder though, if you'd find it easier/better to stick with the EDP and use a larger MoreLoops param and explore SwitchQuant=Cnf That offers loop storage, but with the linear flow of the edp so it's real easy to bring back the loops. (yes, I know, it's more button presses, but hey after a week or so you won't even notice them) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 21:21:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B05618349D; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cLAalueOMHXU0D5/dkihYMGQWlL16esHgjCEQe3UeGo=; b=nJMu9g7WTZyxRrF1N4Qp09FkQEaTAyI6FEnB7UKsWUFPwinKoSI1Sw2X8BPSEj0F+G 4+JSPXEErGJKv1ZUyr/OMlFJd5pW5muvthqoXEKPW351uilWUlz/LQ6b9qtqDQqBzOva HBffTjK+eukRbBUi3hrwXQ5+rolDs8Xaxymps= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZpLxT90QvPBeLulj/FJWmFNdSgzRke/uivSMAfDjtqL1AxUR/9+Mrq8iHxr22zV3By Nu9NLZ9a+69koZYupT7euG3hYObY9rTJ+j+60CTAAuzuDfmAiLXx82eZJ8KfVIL8XYfn YIaBofh7zcEI4d/xm1bjzx8kfhBNM7HMUeWQE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2199C713-07CE-44A2-A025-FE2CCF5B621A@grubmah.com> References: <99565912.554890.1293132056398.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> <9EC0EFDCE542499992CAF8B854384E24@ELUK1> <2199C713-07CE-44A2-A025-FE2CCF5B621A@grubmah.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:21:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Socks! I usually only play in my living room but for this occasion at Y2KX my sis in law made sure I had some colorful foot apparel, Jim Goodin got some good foot action video from my set :) http://vimeo.com/16034181 These actually have some good traction that will allow me to twiddle knobs with my toes I have learned since. peace out, j On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > For several years, I performed in my socks. Those work great with the EDP footpedal. They don't feel so good with the Line6 switches. > > Then, probably about the time I started standing up while performing, I started using cowboy boots because they have nice solid, pointy toes. > > I went with tennis shoes at Y2KX because I didn't bother to bring my boots with me to Santa Cruz (though they certainly would have fit in the car). > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 21:30:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FFFD18349A; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 550348033/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.31.68/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.31.68 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjACAOtNE01YbR9E/2dsb2JhbAAMlgTQcoVKBI4V X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,220,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="550348033" Message-ID: <4D13BF9D.20709@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:31:09 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP loop capture References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4onIlB.A.trD.697ENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Hi, > this is an interesting problem, but I have neither of those loopers, > so my contribution will be rather theoretical... > > > To that end, I'd look first at what midi messages, if any, the EDP can > send at the begining or end of a cycle. It does send a message at the end of each cycle, and of each loop. ...but it does it all the time. Interesting idea but not workable. Luckily the edp sends out midi time clocks which the LP1 can sync to. The LP1 has a Midi Sync Record function...not sure if sets the length automatically, or waits for record to end and rounds to a multiple. (I'm patiently waiting for Xavier to implement foot switchable midi routing in his Little Giant 2 before I investigate that). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 21:40:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4BCD1834A8; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TvRah/ZLBtnL8XfiYkpdlF3FSNrjTOO5idRz93upMtM=; b=DphwYXLqYF2KpTOLak8DEir4Zr1vppMnH4Uo4thuppJM7EL/ZWK7ox3ef3yFi5hGk+ ZhSlaHLMFw8lsyDig7I0oGGAW8t2YLCml99rZvt4xEtmOC1iFGbtiEUdRh1Sm+8vbL6q kA6JeOhZwwQ7y+hFBblgZUhKdW6Nn9upxFrYE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DsitlAch7Mviq9taJcnFdxe40E/KC7P9nyPdTmrgOKtr4oeymZBE7scseynDXNouy6 vQR8G2uhh5UgzKnpqPLwLVx6h9+Qrt7Qn6Gei0NaY3muO0wCkG6WIszV8Rk5H6JrAXTX oga+rf7ROOi4LDUubLU31zpEEDp4Yg2cOPpto= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <05665371-852D-4E13-B2C4-AC69DCF2A4B8@ubergadget.com> References: <05665371-852D-4E13-B2C4-AC69DCF2A4B8@ubergadget.com> From: "Jim W." Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:40:01 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Residents and other bands To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Interesting, I haven't followed them for about 15 years or so. No real reason; still admire the whole zeitgeist behind the "act". So if I were to delve into something newer by them, what would you suggest based on your tastes? Thx. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Revfever wrote: > The Residents have always been an ever-evolving troupe and more than just= "a > band" and have incorporated all kinds of other elements into their creati= ons > and shows along with also creating and producing an astounding number of > other products and swag, etc. Some people "get it" with them and some do > not. =A0No big deal. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. But, appare= ntly > a lot of people did, and / or still do since their shows are usually pack= ed > in other cities that I have seen them in thru out the years.(Dallas,TX, > Seattle, WA, Portland,OR) I've happily stayed "on board" with them all th= ese > many, many years and have always been pleased as punch that I did. > > Remember that famous line from Sly and the Family Stone: "Diff'rent strok= es > for diff'rent folks" =A0:-) > > Grape Nut Flakes, > Rev. Fever > > On Dec 23, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > >> I had my Residents phase back in my early/mid 20s. They really haven't >> been the same band since 1983 or so. (Those are not linked statements >> - I'm in my 30s.) I saw them in 2001, and found myself wishing I'd >> seen them 20-25 years earlier. >> >> In my heavy iPod rotation right now: Pram, Madlib (including Jaylib, >> Madvillian, Quasimoto, etc), Juana Molina, Long Fin Killie >> >> >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt >> >> Rick Walker was like: >>> >>> I got to open for the Residents a few years ago and it was such a peak >>> experience >>> for me that I think I might not go see them again. >>> >>> I always appreciated them, frankly, but never loved them like so many >>> people >>> did. >>> >>> I seemed to have an atypical relationship to a lot of artists that are >>> dearly loved by >>> lots of people on this list. =A0 =A0 =A0 I always appreciated Zappa but= never >>> loved him..... >>> the same with King Crimson, =A0Fripp, =A0 Primus, =A0the Residents, =A0= Mr. >>> Bungle, >>> Captain Beefheart, =A0Tom Waits. >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 21:52:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C35B01834B4; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HQwVha3YhaxoT2X9gKqMMh523OUMKlVLp9yYwOCst10=; b=AFoIjRuVfHXUIc84uYvAHBAqKYrMWSmV8tp4RV1Hvk5ATPcVGgJVswdAIp7Q+Q7Rsq 0kcs1ID+WCAkHTlqGpitlORq9fxesJzMCbTmY9wXNS4fPaO0D+7+gRro6HSFc40hdDQE jJHZ0qXOX3jC7LLQpAKSI/FKkMFUtgvyUYKYk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=J7uB/95T3vdZFkJZhtEtoT6Lv8QLKNZcTxnRiIEVIiDtkOoXWCgiMrSJ0a72+8wZxW GJHsFYIUxDpbp6beMJsbcMBwHlKIW3NoLEkjRo2NEDXm5o++evjNkTYLclIDV1L8+ntx JeB0tiqBs9+woxez7EDhUlxB0BES0kY1Stzlo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D13BF9D.20709@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> <4D13BF9D.20709@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:52:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP loop capture From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:52:42 +0000 (UTC) > It does send a message at the end of each cycle, and of each loop. > ...but it does it all the time. well, it seems to me all you'd need to do is gate that midi output so that it gets to the LP1 only when a button is pressed. Not sure if hardware exists that allows one to do this, I live mostly in the laptop. Maybe something from http://www.midisolutions.com/products.htm Sylvain On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:31 PM, andy butler wrote: > Sylvain Poitras wrote: >> >> Hi, >> this is an interesting problem, but I have neither of those loopers, >> so my contribution will be rather theoretical... >> >> >> To that end, I'd look first at what midi messages, if any, the EDP can >> send at the begining or end of a cycle. > > It does send a message at the end of each cycle, and of each loop. > ...but it does it all the time. > > Interesting idea but not workable. > > Luckily the edp sends out midi time clocks > which the LP1 can sync to. > > The LP1 has a Midi Sync Record function...not sure if sets the length > automatically, or waits for record to end and rounds to a multiple. > (I'm patiently waiting for Xavier to implement foot switchable > midi routing in his Little Giant 2 before I investigate that). > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 22:21:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC34B18348E; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 408208.23223.bm@omp1028.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293142884; bh=HuPbnLiXYhbfhTXQ5dcpw3K4LfV9a1M7rpRV+QmWZuE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FbhkEwmwtDulsR9ALXHOV08rq8jC1CYFiIEm/XEkB8sOj5rYU2xEM1F/Y3s8YDICQJ3GUA/sNtEh5Z1XPkmmcMfSGjS9IXVsCwyBIDs/0SeIPYX9RHsApPXHh5PpTiwxRRtlSMeucqja3hrQ6V1vCQEJO1G0CVy24B4Bi6DHXdM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aIh2sVbkD0ut/tOQuuAcZKU0dDWf/xxoz00f8CJj82HII3bbYS1+bm6sFNLwTFgh6m4+VqjzsYMCoa3NjWHu5WZmxhudF1Rz83trlAKxoP5DoAp6ADpeIp8cu4I0qV6OToOy8BxhLC52dQOt40gdVUKUYsK823n4vUlIe9GFEuo=; Message-ID: <163745.25991.qm@web59605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wdUIEq4VM1lMkodHdZwC0REB0E6nTDeqbktZQ8QCs34OeVV 8eZW2tZkwHDwYT6jXDaKZrug81n7awh.0rCYss6tRoXJ7bzUQZJLcfQwhYQ2 brwa8Bfz5UdmERNLmhUD3VCrTZdMobrondATSaVVnTwQz2hXYz.1k1Q4Aamh bdmzMxuabV4SsGzwMM8qk.Zv8D5GGxSjhCtHE3ljzlFVu1BgW4URZw_dPyfQ uoUncVcOp9PIxgeNPq9Y8gf68iQ99KNk4DXReBIF_l2XeeqcSlnpF3EERu68 j2cHFMuG91u85BQGUHrG0oowoHFwriu6hJ_dDvQqQFu8OnJ6KiA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:21:23 -0800 (PST) From: chuspa Subject: Re: mobius basic tutorial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <78E1A902-742B-40DD-BA7D-90A873BF6B13@zonemobius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1815840048-1293142883=:25991" Resent-Message-ID: <1wwXr.A.58E.kt8ENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:21:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-1815840048-1293142883=:25991 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff, thanks for your writings about mobius looper, it really makes me clea= r about it luis prado --- On Sun, 19/12/10, Jeff Larson wrote: From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: mobius basic tutorial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Received: Sunday, 19 December, 2010, 9:36 PM Wow Per, that was great!=A0=A0=A0I had't seen that before.=A0=20 I've been rewriting the Mobius manual(s) over the past few months and have uploaded some of them to the web site; =A0 =A0 www.circularlabs.com/newdoc They aren't done yet but you might find some useful information in them. Wa= rning though,=20 these are written for the 1.43 release which isn't finished yet.=A0 Many li= ttle things have changed so the screen shots you see won't match what you see in 1.42.=A0 It is pret= ty close though so I think it is worthwhile to read the installation guide (installation.htm) or= if you've already done a successful install read the GettingStarted With Mobius manual (start= ing.htm).=A0=A0=A0 Jeff On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Luis, >=20 > I posted a step for step tutorial with demo video at > http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132 >=20 > This uses Mobius and covers some techniques for using chord changes in > live looping. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:02 AM, chuspa wrote: >>=20 >>=A0 Hi, does anybody know or have resume a basic mobius app. tutorial? >> because of the complex manual, I will like to know the basic for use it >> thanks >> luis prado >=20 =0A=0A=0A --0-1815840048-1293142883=:25991 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well said.


--- O= n Wed, 12/22/10, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com&= gt;
Subject: Re: Re: the 60's
To: "richard = sales" <= richard@glasswing.com>
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<= br>
Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 6:12 PM


On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, richard sales wrote:
> Well= ... the hippies also used hard core civil disobedience to express our anger= !=A0 It was a thrilling time.
> The free love and drugs was just a bonus for some of us.=A0 For some i= t was the core of the experience.=A0 They're the ones who went on to Wa= ll Street and commerce. Truth is, they missed the most glorious boat of the= time.
LOL,=A0 There is a common joke that goes,=A0 "If you remember the 60's, then yo= u weren't there."
Sadly,=A0 sometimes I think that if you weren= 't there you just don't get it.

It's like Dickens said,= =A0 "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times".

American children were probably the most dysfunctional in our National = history.=A0 Many (and NOT the majority)
were angry but they also wanted = to buy out of the materialistic culture that had emerged from all the wealt= h
and conformity that characterized our culture at the end of World War 2.
I always think it is dangerous to put too much emphasis on a time in o= ne's life when one is first learning about the world and trying to come= to terms with it's inequities (and it's delights) but there was so= me kind
of magic in that time, at least for me.

The one thing that I do miss= about it was the ,=A0 of course, intrinsically naive, notion that we could=
somehow change the world........we could eschew the dominant paradigm..........we could m= ake a culture
that was less racist, less sexist, less ageist, less sizei= st, etc., etc.

there was a feeling, artistically, that anything was = possible and that, I believe is what led to the explosion
in creativity in music and fashion (as tacky as tie dye shirts are to me pe= rsonally.....lol).

that part of it was wonderful where I lived (and = at my tender age (I was 14 in '67 but had a sister 4 years older
who was taking me to concerts and parties and be-ins all the time----she to= ok my brother and I to
the Monterey Pop Festival and to the Filmore Audi= torium on my 16th birthday and turned me on, bless her heart)

Youth = seem far more cynical these days (and I teach them a lot so I have some exp= erience saying this).
I suppose we can't blame them after they had to watch George Bush stay = in office for eight years and all it represents, psychically and politically.

I always wish I could give them a little tiny bit of t= hat naive idealism we had at that time........
.....that sense that anyt= hing is possible.

It was a good think even though some of my memory = about that time is dim (lol).

rick walker
Jeff, thanks for your writings about mobius l= ooper, it really makes me clear about it

luis prado
<= br>--- On Sun, 19/12/10, Jeff Larson <jeff@zonemobius.com><= /b> wrote:

From: Jeff Larson <jeff@zonem= obius.com>
Subject: Re: mobius basic tutorial
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com
Received: Sunday, 19 December, 2010, 9:36 PM

=
Wow Per, that was great!   I had't = seen that before. 

I've been rewriting the Mobius manual(s) ov= er the past few months and have
uploaded some of them to the web site;
    www.circularlabs.com/newdoc

They aren't done yet= but you might find some useful information in them. Warning though,
th= ese are written for the 1.43 release which isn't finished yet.  Many little t= hings have changed
so the screen shots you see won't match what you see = in 1.42.  It is pretty close though so I
think it is worthwhile to = read the installation guide (installation.htm) or if you've already
done= a successful install read the GettingStarted With Mobius manual (starting.= htm).   

Jeff


On Dec 19, 2010, at 1:38 AM,= Per Boysen wrote:

> Hi Luis,
>
> I posted a step fo= r step tutorial with demo video at
> http://www.perboysen.com/archives/132
>
> This uses Mobius and covers some techniques for using c= hord changes in
> live looping.
>
> Greetings from Swede= n
>
> Per Boysen
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 19, 201= 0 at 4:02 AM, chuspa <chuspacpu@yahoo.com> = wrote:
>>
>>  Hi, does anybody know or have resume = a basic mobius app. tutorial?
>> because of the complex manual, I = will like to know the basic for use it
>> thanks
>> luis = prado
>


=0A=0A= =0A=0A   --0-1815840048-1293142883=:25991-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 22:48:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6333518348D; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D13D1A3.5060300@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:48:03 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:48:07 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Live in the USA 2009" which is a self-released title. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#dec You will also hear new music released on the Groove Unlimited and Ricochet Dream labels. I will be giving away two sets of Klaus Schulze DVDs. One set will go to a local listener and another set to a non- Pennsylvania resident who listens via the internet. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 22:49:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A94118349C; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: hyperspace traffic Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:49:16 +0100 Message-ID: <04C031BD9DA34E3B96E7984AC46BEEEA@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: Acui86At8n+7kDcdSpCeHnubb0vSgA== Resent-Message-ID: <59obtB.A.cmF.yH9ENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:49:22 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Umkr7i148 Soundtrack created using a piano and the Expertsleepers Crossfade Loop Synth plugin Video created using Sony Vegas -Michael Peters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 22:51:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59E001834A8; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Subject: Re: EDP loop capture From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <4D13BA97.6050203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:50:59 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2C90D5A8-A0DC-4050-96E2-1FC4E501570E@grubmah.com> References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> <4D13BA97.6050203@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:51:02 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:09 PM, andy butler wrote: > fcb1010 using Note-On for edp, and ProgCh for LP1. One problem I've noticed with some MIDI controllers with respect to = ProgCh is that they can be overly helpful by not sending the change if = you are already on that program. (At least the specs on some of them = read that way.) > I wonder though, if you'd find it easier/better to stick with the EDP = and use a larger MoreLoops param and explore SwitchQuant=3DCnf I generally used my EDP set to a couple of loops. What I've discovered = though is that I do like to set up a steady pulse on a separate looper. = I could just use the Looperlative for that -- eight stereo tracks makes = for a lot of interesting mixing and matching of pulses -- but I was = thinking it might be nice to be able to spontaneously say "hey, this EDP = loop is cool, let's keep it going in the background". The feature I probably miss most from the EDP on the Looperlative = (besides I think preferring the EDP time readout though neither feels = really ideal in that regard) is Multiply. When improving, I like to drop = into multiply mode without thinking about how long I'm going to play = for. The Looperlative either wants me to specifically extend the loop by = a certain amount or I need to use Sync Record on a new track which works = but then I'm back to building layers as opposed to evolving loops. On the Looperlative stability front, I should probably try to roll back = a few revisions and see whether things get better though I then need to = figure out what features I am also giving up and how to balance between = the two. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 23 23:16:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0169183477; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:16:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6BhC4Ai0diWkldv5C6B9AjSyzW7DWJPjTmLtV4Z0GQw=; b=dyKCeDDg8JhNJrCWsmJTead0jaOaVVQclHVfqbyJGkoXOHs9p/V5xKWG8xFqm7gi6u 6oPtWwFpaczoxUUR1NXJUV16oxlsefd9WXOAbNYM6beqtNHO4mSU0fKmAyMsPcCGQEaN C18HYsdXYz2KJKe2YfYxbJ6MnrmKkhQd2E2cs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=M2LDVk+i+3mWi4Hnc55HKCA4ezF28Z0sXRiGUpI50IFfqd8Z+1WatRP4RCama7EE3/ GHasdpDA/mQ3OAwQlss00paiwxs/iVD97ZZ85IpW+cYuTxs7zWj41h5dT26ASUnn43f4 MbgvxEGpefDiJJsSttyl6j96z9zBjZfLL+qW8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:16:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Question about Soundplant pc/mac From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a2e9494e6704981c1060 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:16:48 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a2e9494e6704981c1060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Didnt find this on Soundplant's documentation, probably too dumb question, but: I'm preparing a keymap on my iMac for upcoming gig. On the gig I'm running a pc laptop with Soundplant on it. Does my keymap that I've done with mac-version of the program open properly on windows version (havent been able to test it yet) And all the tweakings I've done will be transfered to pc-version of Soundplant? so in short: is the .keymap file format cross-platform? :-) -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a2e9494e6704981c1060 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Didnt find this on Soundplant's documentation, probably too dumb questi= on, but:

I'm preparing a keymap on my iMac for upcoming gig.
=
On the gig I'm running a pc laptop with Soundplant on it.
Does m= y keymap that I've done with mac-version of the program open properly o= n windows version (havent been able to test it yet)
And all the tweakings I've done will be transfered to pc-version of Sou= ndplant?

so in short: is the .keymap file format cross-platform? :-)=

--
Petri Lahtinen
http://www.petrilahtinen.com
http://petrilahtinen.blogspo= t.com/
http://www.m= yspace.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen
http://petrilahtinen.bandcam= p.com/
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--20cf3054a2e9494e6704981c1060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 00:05:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90B4C183456; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 00:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=w0EJ-3V7hV4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Tgln0w8pTIykrYO6i9EA:9 a=FzO7YRnjNdHymfg2MoagU0RSzNgA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: <62CE789B-78C7-4E3B-80F1-9D221CC83F04@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:05:14 -0800 References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <1SOnV.A.IPH.9O-ENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 00:05:17 +0000 (UTC) BHi all, Every couple of years I go down to the sporting goods store and buy "water shoes". They are very thin soled and light weight slip-ons - a bit like wearing low-cut socks that have a thin rubber tread on them. I guess they are for people who are into kayaking and windsurfing and stuff. But they are perfect to wear on stage and press buttons on stuff with your toes. They are cheap too - if you go and by them at the end of the warm weather "outdoor" water sports season. I got 2 pair on clearance for under $10. The only drawback is that they have no arch support at all and can be murder on your feet if you wear 'em and walk around all day. Cheers, Ted On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Andy Owens wrote: > Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches on the floor, > so here's a relevant on topic question. > > What are the best looping shoes????? > > Andy Owens > 1-800-AndyOwens > Sent from my iPhone > So the typing might not be my best! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 00:08:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 007BB18345A; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 00:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OFtY99fi5zjE6AftzHDNkKdpP1YWgrvsoqJC+wWGcNo=; b=o/+rG3G17nHpzzy5sLNKy7wDW1ec23G3wTFNMelmF76tT4wEATitg53vvxUpePYHn3 xkM8nNaajDG5MB1F7X/6BUEZHAYLOTT8A0+ep4d2Qvwg5jTk5uIiaWrDENQx56TizdWp /0eYhghTqV7kwWUwLNDpQy2dpMrK6Z/JvnTv0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=pWcw+0vK1ivbvE0T7cuPb7toIdWAIC3B+T1bKChaxKWMS0YNl3ugksjeosH+ohhj6k e2Uk61l0TWhuOSQU3hZ4y4EzLSwCiC0Im9ChnEwbPmdiQWt8s87vFtTZBcM1wrc/u7pi 7fN8Vn36KxbynhZ4Zq5iJGBZiLl9VD7ksYupA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:08:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question about Soundplant pc/mac From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 00:08:34 +0000 (UTC) I have not tried that as I am all pc but from the site is this http://www.soundplant.org/about.htm "saves and loads keyboard configurations as .keymap files; *new* .keymaps are fully cross-platform compatible and can be easily transferred between different computers with the handy 'save w/ sounds' feature" peace, J On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Didnt find this on Soundplant's documentation, probably too dumb question, > but: > > I'm preparing a keymap on my iMac for upcoming gig. > > On the gig I'm running a pc laptop with Soundplant on it. > Does my keymap that I've done with mac-version of the program open properly > on windows version (havent been able to test it yet) > And all the tweakings I've done will be transfered to pc-version of > Soundplant? > > so in short: is the .keymap file format cross-platform? :-) > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen > http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen > http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ > --------------------------------------------------- > "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- > --------------------------------------------------- > "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." > -Charles Bukowski- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 00:21:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EBDC183455; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 00:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <62CE789B-78C7-4E3B-80F1-9D221CC83F04@charter.net> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:21:46 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> <62CE789B-78C7-4E3B-80F1-9D221CC83F04@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <7ptjV.A.grH.ie-ENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 00:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Sometimes referred to as "reef shoes." On Dec 23, 2010, at 4:05 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > Every couple of years I go down to the sporting goods store and buy = "water shoes". >=20 > They are very thin soled and light weight slip-ons - a bit like = wearing low-cut socks that have a thin rubber tread on them. >=20 David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 01:11:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4924183474; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:11:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 105358 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:11:30 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=efeNTqVXfBzCLWmCDg7/vA/9LK0cHMk7cTfZd9AUSqk= c=1 sm=1 a=O2pNW+xQ8N7p3YL6Ga2LLA==:17 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=mZV5Fo0mM3xWcnaO9TIA:9 a=sKdX49SE-QcMLO2_UGBCvruz3usA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=voZrjb6_8qcA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=illd8ZzV0O52etN8VOsA:9 a=aHHlh3w_s_i9PIruyJUA:7 a=pH0w6A_mMcY1Uq_RmkPoFDZngBUA:4 a=O2pNW+xQ8N7p3YL6Ga2LLA==:117 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-33--834211930 Subject: the Nativity, 2010 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:11:24 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4D094FFA.60100@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4D08B2CC.25512.68B0E7@nick.1957.me.uk> <4D094FFA.60100@cruzio.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:11:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-33--834211930 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Nativity, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkHNNPM7pJA Well... it's kind of loopy richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-33--834211930 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii The = Nativity, 2010


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= --Apple-Mail-33--834211930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 01:17:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49FB5183474; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+jAwwQTDGUtpUkT8BzNM3Q)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012230125 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-24_01:2010-12-24,2010-12-24,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <8DB03C6F-BF47-4C42-8D26-3894791B741F@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers Delight Subject: space echo plug in sort of Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:17:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <6tPgZC.A.v9.eS_ENB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:17:18 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_+jAwwQTDGUtpUkT8BzNM3Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT GSi - Soundware for musicians --Boundary_(ID_+jAwwQTDGUtpUkT8BzNM3Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT GSi - Soundware for musicians --Boundary_(ID_+jAwwQTDGUtpUkT8BzNM3Q)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 01:27:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71EB3183466; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=2tzcm8H3A3T1o1a3rY7dadATcnRjhcWZIk9hXKPI8KI=; b=rMqxnrbC6jGlJFFoS1E2WMvDC28qB6AcZ1bRIA0TVpDqqJCU3qcQ0R42hRHvwYrwP7 xMXadrMiCLpMf/9BqBDJyYBFzRyrnX/hAskiH52dqQHdUg37h2ZFpys1McUXx5+CCewi tO44yIsxRuFQm1qk3gOkXsVMaYTE6bxUeu0oc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=ctTiv+t34Prsz18g63XZKzrgpEP+uyuW5fFZqJlaQ3RC17z++N0IAF37ik3nm8h27p NeRvIm8KPQbMYqzoEgWGOxor4W5F8yxSQsRdUp3LINJrKb4M2gI09g3rNnoZLn00OfjQ u+uyNqV08vEXEWSvtU/m5S903ib7wIC1rra8c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4D08B2CC.25512.68B0E7@nick.1957.me.uk> <4D094FFA.60100@cruzio.com> From: "Jim W." Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:27:00 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: the Nativity, 2010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Excellent. Thanks for sharing. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:11 PM, richard sales wrote: > The Nativity, 2010 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkHNNPM7pJA > Well... it's kind of loopy > > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 01:41:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAC27183473; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:references:from:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=xWi+jU9Iod7Iz4VSgl2SjKCLLsFNrwTzTpdm+TktDTw=; b=j3Mfetoi41UDnxRfSTWPhteN81iQnjG7usnaFioNunuZecckGfZfUvZBpdjECvuAWk zjXtGgCMDFJRrWvAKuWrTQCdTYBF25boEw/ZH09c7iFS+vv5xadg1pWRzqhoeB8TdlXF lO0GZ2qw/qjFJgdPeTGjYq52TvYwe+v1LsH04= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=q2fn3Zr4MRrf4WWaxmzIebF80DGk5IFuuDy+pnFBCvNAYy7b3QLY1q/RqDiVrwUtpC z751ZFMIG8eheRGnm/DdlxuwmYjEafbcqNg+hrP6aX4TSyzJ4yLIQ4w8zet2HVbwfGxM u7rfjdBTFndR13JMKy0WDLlL2oppUZStI/VlE= References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> <607332.85638.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <607332.85638.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 02:42:04 +0100 Message-ID: <-5185492737060842496@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549b2b1b2e3d04981e17ae Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:41:52 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30549b2b1b2e3d04981e17ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Another vote for converse here... Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 23 Dec 2010, at 17:31, "antonyhequet@yahoo.com" wrote: the white high tops? A ------------------------------ *From:* Matt Stevens *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com *Sent:* Thu, December 23, 2010 5:25:58 PM *Subject:* Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Converse - nothing comes close :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 23 Dec 2010, at 16:15, Andy Owens wrote: Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches on the floor, so here's a relevant on topic question. What are the best looping shoes????? Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Rick Walker wrote: On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Revfever wrote: PS- Speaking of THE RESIDENTS, they are doing a show with PRIMUS in Oakland at the Fox Theater SOON on Dec.30th for any of you that are in that area! (Rick W? And...?) http://www.songkick.com/concerts/7085826-primus-at-fox-theater I got to open for the Residents a few years ago and it was such a peak experience for me that I think I might not go see them again. I always appreciated them, frankly, but never loved them like so many people did. I seemed to have an atypical relationship to a lot of artists that are dearly loved by lots of people on this list. I always appreciated Zappa but never loved him..... the same with King Crimson, Fripp, Primus, the Residents, Mr. Bungle, Captain Beefheart, Tom Waits. ********************************* warning, the next bit is really self indulgent, so you can skip over it......it's just a bunch of stuff that I love.............. ********************************* I always feel like a heretic admitting this, but the people I've loved have been people like the Beatles, the early Stones, a ton of early British Invasion when it was on the riff rock side of things, Cream, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, Joni Mitchell, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, Peter Gabriel (but not so much anymore), James Brown, Motown and Stax/Volt 60's soul, Roots Reggae, African Pop music, Middleeastern Pop music, Nine Inch Nails,the Cure (but nothing, really, after Disentegration), Boards of Canada, Aphex Twin (but not the later stuff), Autechre (but only the middle period), Bjork, the Knife, Fever Ray, Sufjan Stevens, Elliot Smith, Miles Davis (particularly his modal period and early fusion periods), Ralph Vaugh Williams, Maurice Ravel and then a lot of records by people that ended up being their worst selling records: Veedon Fleece by Van Morrison Happy/Sad by Tim Buckley Along the Red Ledge by Hall & Oates Heroes and Low by Bowie Before and After Science by Brian Eno Kiko by Los Lobos and then I really round this odd list off with individual tracks by straight up pop artists like Missy Elliot, Eminem, Chrisina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, Madonna, Evelyn 'Champagne' King, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Thomas Dolby, Peter Murphy, Kings of Leon, MGMT and the list goes. this reminds me: I'm in a particular love affair with simple riff rock lately and playing as minimally as I've ever played with Done Beginner my wife's band........using really big, thick drum sticks......listening to the Kills, the Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs, the Dead Weather, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club (their rockier stuff), Filter, Local H, Nirvana, Soundgarden, New Order (this great record that didn't sell well for them called 'Get Ready'), Editors and even some early U2. okay, there's more, but I'm rambling........... --20cf30549b2b1b2e3d04981e17ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another vote for converse here...
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On 23 Dec 2010, at 17= :31, "antonyhequet@yahoo.com= " <antonyhequet@yahoo= .com> wrote:

the white high tops?

A

From: Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>=
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:25:58 PM<= br> Subject: Re: Ok, back on t= opic, shoe question?

Converse - nothing comes close :)


On 23 Dec 2010, at 1= 6:15, Andy Owens wrote:

Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches on the floo= r, so here's a relevant on topic question. =A0

What are the best looping shoes????= ?

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing m= ight not be my best!


On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Revfever w= rote:
PS- Speaking of THE RESIDENTS, they are doing a show with PRIMUS in Oakland= at the Fox Theater SOON on =A0 Dec.30th=A0 for any of you t= hat are in that area! (Rick W? And...?)
I got to open for the Residents a few years ago and it= was such a peak experience
for me that I think I might not go see them again.

I always appreciated them, frankly, but never loved them like so many peopl= e did.

I seemed to have an atypical relationship to a lot of artists that are dear= ly loved by
lots of people on this list. =A0 =A0 =A0 I always appreciated Zappa but never lov= ed him.....
the same with King Crimson,=A0= Fripp, =A0 Primus,=A0 the Residents,=A0 Mr. Bungle,
Captain Beefheart,=A0 T= om Waits.

*********************************

warning, =A0 = the next bit is really self indulgent, so you can skip over it......it'= s just
a bunch of stuff that I love..............

*********************************

I always feel like a heretic admitting this, but the peopl= e I've loved have been
people like the Beatles, the early Stones,=A0 a ton of early Bri= tish Invasion when it was
on the riff rock side of things, Crea= m, Led Zeppelin,=A0 David Bowi= e,=A0 Joni Mitchell, Crosby, S= tills, Nash and Young,=A0 Pete= r Gabriel (but not so much anymore), James Brown,=A0 Motown and Stax/Volt 60's soul,=A0 Roots Reggae,=A0 African Pop music,= =A0 Middleeastern Pop music, Nine Inch Nails,the Cure (but nothing, = really, after Disentegration),=A0 Boards of Canada, Aphex Twin (but not the later stuff),=A0 Autechre (but only the middle period), Bjo= rk,=A0 the Knife,=A0 Fever Ray, Sufjan Stevens, Elliot Smi= th, Miles Davis (particularly his modal period and early fusion periods), R= alph Vaugh Williams, Maurice Ravel and then a lot of records by people that= ended up being their worst selling records:
Veedon Fleece by Van Morrison
Happy/Sad by Tim Buckley
Along the Red Ledge by Hall & Oates
Heroes and Low b= y Bowie
Before and After Science by Brian Eno
Kiko by Los Lobos<= /div>

and then I really round this odd li= st off with individual tracks by straight up pop artists like
Missy Elliot, Eminem,=A0 Chrisina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, Madonna, Evelyn 'Champagne'= King, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Thomas Dolby, Peter Murphy, Kings of Leon= ,
MGMT and the list goes.

this reminds me:=A0 I'm in= =A0 a particular love affair w= ith simple riff rock lately and playing as minimally as I've ever playe= d with Done Beginner my wife's band........using really big, thick drum= sticks......listening to the Kills, the Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs,=A0 the Dead Weather, Black Rebel Motorcycle C= lub (their rockier stuff), Filter, Local H, Nirvana,
Soundgarden, New Order (this great record that didn't sell well = for them called 'Get Ready'), Editors
and even some early U2.

okay, there's more, b= ut I'm rambling...........


<= /div>


--20cf30549b2b1b2e3d04981e17ae-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 01:58:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7AD6183479; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D13FE23.4010206@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:57:55 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Peters CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hyperspace traffic References: <04C031BD9DA34E3B96E7984AC46BEEEA@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <04C031BD9DA34E3B96E7984AC46BEEEA@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:58:04 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Umkr7i148 > > Soundtrack created using a piano and the Expertsleepers Crossfade Loop Synth > plugin > Video created using Sony Vegas > > -Michael Peters Can you explain how the Crossfade Loop Synth works, Michael? Another brilliant piece of software by our very own Os! and beautiful piece of music and accompanying video. Thanks for posting and Merry Christmas to you and your lovely wife! rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 01:58:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECD33183487; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cw7lzbLkEmLCSSos4gnE8+K0St29U+rrcglFMlx6Vp0=; b=X/IQFXVAGr7xBiNEy27VOjOT7ZmaRBm/cujdpkbGRIHYwTtHZxlliF0pMCrWFR5FB2 nkNdQaZtIfB4c63rnVBaAcJcu6B+kGKKY14dmGk60+MqTvYogNjunr6BKjGn8RRPyJJt IXS/V+UnLo67XNVDL6kE/Bjn+0EfwtodaPcd0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QW9mv/j2Pc19sZr+Z3fX1xvHMoU29iavz4apHPVZDBJUttjrccl6hh2g2j2NUn2S9f AcMmkKrJF76fLfy0xY3hQG+fgp1Z7jAUdLTy3jIIb9xhhzGwq7Ekm0TlM5uE95imIvb1 +ghl+E2+aPZJMeYG9G6Y26ohAEsIX5yDCth3A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 03:58:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question about Soundplant pc/mac From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a2e9c53e4404981e522d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:58:33 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a2e9c53e4404981e522d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 so there shouldnt be no problem! thanks, thanks, didnt caught that from the site --Petri- 2010/12/24 Jeff Duke > I have not tried that as I am all pc but from the site is this > > http://www.soundplant.org/about.htm > > "saves and loads keyboard configurations as .keymap files; *new* > .keymaps are fully cross-platform compatible and can be easily > transferred between different computers with the handy 'save w/ > sounds' feature" > > peace, > > J > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: > > Didnt find this on Soundplant's documentation, probably too dumb > question, > > but: > > > > I'm preparing a keymap on my iMac for upcoming gig. > > > > On the gig I'm running a pc laptop with Soundplant on it. > > Does my keymap that I've done with mac-version of the program open > properly > > on windows version (havent been able to test it yet) > > And all the tweakings I've done will be transfered to pc-version of > > Soundplant? > > > > so in short: is the .keymap file format cross-platform? :-) > > > > -- > > Petri Lahtinen > > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > > http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen > > http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen > > http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------- > > "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- > > --------------------------------------------------- > > "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." > > -Charles Bukowski- > > > > > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a2e9c53e4404981e522d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so there shouldnt be no problem!

thanks, thanks, didnt caught that f= rom the site

--Petri-

2010/12/24 J= eff Duke <jeffl= oops@gmail.com>
I have not tried = that as I am all pc but from the site is this

http://ww= w.soundplant.org/about.htm

"saves and loads keyboard configurations as .keymap files; *new*
.keymaps are fully cross-platform compatible and can be easily
transferred between different computers with the handy 'save w/
sounds' feature"

peace,

J

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Petri Lahtinen <aikuinen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Didnt find this on Soundplant's documentation, probably too dumb q= uestion,
> but:
>
> I'm preparing a keymap on my iMac for upcoming gig.
>
> On the gig I'm running a pc laptop with Soundplant on it.
> Does my keymap that I've done with mac-version of the program open= properly
> on windows version (havent been able to test it yet)
> And all the tweakings I've done will be transfered to pc-version o= f
> Soundplant?
>
> so in short: is the .keymap file format cross-platform? :-)
>
> --
> Petri Lahtinen
> http://www.= petrilahtinen.com
> http:= //petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/
> htt= p://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen
> http://= twitter.com/PetriLahtinen
> http:= //petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
> ---------------------------------------------------
> "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -= Robert Fripp-
> ---------------------------------------------------
> "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must = lead."
> -Charles Bukowski-
>
>




--
Petri Lahti= nen
http://www.petrilahtinen.co= m
http://petrilahtine= n.blogspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/pet= rilahtinen
http://twitt= er.com/PetriLahtinen
= http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
---------------------------------------------------
"Only become pr= ofessional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
--------= -------------------------------------------
"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-
--20cf3054a2e9c53e4404981e522d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 02:06:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63243183458; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 02:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D14001C.2030604@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:06:20 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Mimlitsch CC: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: space echo plug in sort of References: <8DB03C6F-BF47-4C42-8D26-3894791B741F@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <8DB03C6F-BF47-4C42-8D26-3894791B741F@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 02:06:27 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > GSi - Soundware for musicians > For what it's worth, I beta tested the Roland RE-201 emulation for Universal Audio right before it came out. I owned an RE-501 for years and was an expert in it's use. (I had a separate mic on snare and timbale that I could control with a footswitch off to the left of my hi hat so I could do my own real time dubbing, using my left hand to control feedback/regeneration and other parameters so I was incredibly skeptical about UA's digital recreation but they nailed it to the wall, replete with choice of different ages of tape (when they'd get saturated and stretched they really added character (right before they broke.....lol) Additionally, you can accurately beat sync to BPM which the original could never do (although, that imperfection was always part of it's charm in some ways). I'm so impressed with the detail that their research and development team has. The new Studer emulation is nothing short of brilliance. I got to hear a 20 minute demo----a/b ing between the real Studer and the emulation and it's just jaw dropping. It's going to stop some golden ear/analogue snobs in their tracks. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 02:27:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 808EB183458; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 02:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Rk9zJpMGTGYqVmOHQLJYiVQN9KwIB7wq6z+K08Syv34=; b=RDP45UDUdnnwKIlBCC82RMwiSD80d63YCA12j2Gr9fe0YKXOpsWRGGwz/GbF+hm6Is W1JFrA59kdlc7WkyEMguWosiked+GXJb6fR+JkA2CPCNt6hDYa9a3otkHYPzRgyLTqxI dSG0TOxJqXVrxDBVB9LQnqGjUcVVFPqI+gkNU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=P7KoAL49iPH366NFDfNYtHV8BdSgFXocq0Z8YtyPiKHmALN7xxNeiltRdOXJI5+e0f rREshi39TAPF8vvbBSJyBkaVUZyoxcP37BG/dABBaeMtHRTvqh+T0GUPQAFTH/cVKXN2 0vfTmTr1vypYz18nxlggi++LpK6mg/qz3ESPE= Message-ID: <4D1404F7.9030108@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:27:03 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? References: <6904346.1293066688498.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>,<4D12F224.80103@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 02:27:12 +0000 (UTC) I always wondered if one could send a signal through a tremendously long wire, long enough that it would take the sound an appreciable length of time to arrive, thus creating a delay with relatively little loss of fidelity (though I'm sure there'd be a loss of gain, which would need to be made up, thus adding some noise to the end signal). Possible? Should I look around for a five-mile spool of speaker wire and try it out? I assume that the speed of the signal through the wire would not be limited to the speed of sound in open air, hence it would need to be quite a long length... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > OK, this might be totally technically naiive but with a time delay of > around 2 seconds it IS possible to bounce radio signals offf the moon. > Does anyone here know what sort of fidelity the resultant echo would > be ? - you can see where I'm going with this... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 03:24:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2553C183466; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 03:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <041BF6F9-3A1F-4383-92CC-1C339B6C2F73@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--826216852 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: EDP loop capture Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:24:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <16JIsD.A.aSE.-JBFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 03:24:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--826216852 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "The LP1 has a Midi Sync Record function...not sure if sets the length automatically, or waits for record to end and rounds to a multiple. (I'm patiently waiting for Xavier to implement foot switchable midi routing in his Little Giant 2 before I investigate that)." Simply put, this is the command one uses if they are receiving midi clock from an external source, for example a drum machine or another looper. I have a bank that has this function on a preset that i use on the occasion I'm being the slave to another midi clock master source. You do set your initial loop length but it locks to clock just fine. bill --Apple-Mail-2--826216852 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "The LP1 has a Midi Sync Record function...not sure if sets the length automatically, or waits for record to end and rounds to a multiple.
(I'm patiently waiting for Xavier to implement foot switchable
midi routing in his Little Giant 2 before I investigate that)."
 Simply put, this is the command one uses if they are receiving midi clock from an external source,  for example a drum machine or another looper.  I have a bank that has this function on a preset that i use on the occasion I'm being the slave to another midi clock master source. You do set your initial loop length but it locks to clock just fine.
bill

--Apple-Mail-2--826216852-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 03:47:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FA33183457; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 03:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--824868915 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Looperlative Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:47:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 03:47:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--824868915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > "1.37 is (I think) what Bill uses, it's too flaky for *some* of what > I've tried to do with it." 1.37 has been stable for me. When Bob gets the time he will debug 1.38 but he has his hands full right now with other matters. Andy i'm not sure what you are doing to cause it to be flaky , I know that if I false trigger a record command and create a really short loop, the loop can go in to runaway feedback, if I don't get out of overdub right away and sometimes it will even if I do. Unfortunately there has yet to be established a list of multiple command sequences that do and don't work. So in essence, if you decide to try a command sequence and by that I mean any set of multiple commands sent from a single press of a switch you may achieve the results you want and you may not. For example, don't try doubling up a record command and a reverse command, it won't work. trust me I've tried it. But reverse will work coupled with a replace function very well. Bill --Apple-Mail-3--824868915 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"1.37 is (I think) what = Bill uses, it's too flaky for *some* of what I've tried to do with = it."

 1.37  has been stable for = me. When Bob gets the time he will debug 1.38 but he has his hands = full right now with other matters. Andy i'm not = sure what you are doing to cause it to be flaky , I know that if I false = trigger a record command and create a really short loop, the loop can go = in to runaway feedback, if I don't get out of overdub right away and = sometimes it will even if I do.  Unfortunately there has yet to be = established a list of multiple command sequences that do and don't work. = So in essence,  if you decide to try a command sequence and by that = I mean any  set of multiple commands sent from a single press of a = switch you may achieve the results you want and you may not. For = example, don't try doubling up a record command and a reverse command, = it won't work. trust me I've tried it.  But reverse will work = coupled with a replace function very well.  
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Daryl Shawn= <darylshawn@g= mail.com> wrote:
I always wondered if one could send a signal through a tremendously long wi= re, long enough that it would take the sound an appreciable length of time = to arrive, thus creating a delay with relatively little loss of fidelity (t= hough I'm sure there'd be a loss of gain, which would need to be ma= de up, thus adding some noise to the end signal). Possible? Should I look a= round for a five-mile spool of speaker wire and try it out?

I assume that the speed of the signal through the wire would not be limited= to the speed of sound in open air, hence it would need to be quite a long = length...

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com<= /a>

--20cf300faccfd841fc04981ffe6c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 05:20:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46F35183473; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 05:20:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received:received :date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Vz7mClDUNBNOpdKQyPLN6xoaomCdgKRaBiEKPzvxWQ8=; b=aZrab0T8SNP9fBCuU7ZNHFqhluX1z+b2dbNJQ/CU6l2BU45cT0oEGps4YZEgjNO1Tl vlYuG5I0M+1v5Ozkjp2yc727NCv5xJXQwukQITDj4qjAqUvG5COYb8dxjKTuXji9p/gL 6HoPQBuW9znAcLDyB4fyupWDAtnPF4VNfqKqk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=bCx/KKT0cP5WyDtknORcSJpst7GqdwzjyEamSKa1CoER8i1W73qI7V6q6cxAZu5fyM 8kniqAdy4DhcsRCsFsk7JyhR/j9jXSASaUsV7p7IGjBtYJdDsQV4qA7OrVNTJvTiu/PO 6NdAgqO8hGnoBCSwtvZmY68cr4WNTGU+WG+Qg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: darylshawn@gmail.com Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 00:20:11 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oMaCmNpLoLPd6dB0n1d09rVwr04 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? From: Daryl Shawn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c596e4f2f20904982123e7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 05:20:16 +0000 (UTC) --001636c596e4f2f20904982123e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh...drat, I was afraid science might get in the way! Thanks for the practical info, Daryl Shawn Www.swanwelder.com On Dec 23, 2010 10:58 PM, "Brian Good" wrote: --001636c596e4f2f20904982123e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Oh...drat, I was afraid science might get in the way!

Thanks for the practical info,

Daryl Shawn
Www.swanwelder.com

On Dec 23, 2010 10:58 PM, "Brian Good" <bsgood@gmail.com> wrote:
--001636c596e4f2f20904982123e7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 06:12:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 166CC183459; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 06:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <079101cba331$9b03e5c0$6400a8c0@vulcan> From: "d.nix" To: References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> <607332.85638.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <-5185492737060842496@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:12:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 06:12:49 +0000 (UTC) While I appreciate my Converse Chucks, the lack of support makes for a long day if standing, especially if on concrete. These days, the preferred footwear is the old school black hightop Rebok. > Another vote for converse here... > > > the white high tops? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 07:13:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E51C183473; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 07:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <77ADDF8F-AFA7-40FC-B5F7-E52477ABE920@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--812467196 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: world's funniest looper Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:13:48 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 07:13:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--812467196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reggie Watts, gettin it done on a DL-4, I just saw him live on the Conan O'brien Show, doing a hysterical christmas themed looping bit , reminds me of John Whooley, with a bit of Andy Kauffman, and a whole lot of vocal and comic talent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Za4RfX9mo&feature=related he was the opening act on Conan's comedy tour this year and of course all over youtube. I'm sure someone has mentioned this guy before but I must not have been paying attention. Bill --Apple-Mail-4--812467196 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reggie Watts, gettin it done on a DL-4, I just saw him live on the Conan O'brien Show, doing a hysterical christmas themed looping bit , reminds me of John Whooley, with a bit of Andy Kauffman, and a whole lot of vocal and comic talent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Za4RfX9mo&feature=related he was the opening act on Conan's comedy tour this year and of course all over youtube.
I'm sure someone has mentioned this guy before but I must not have been paying attention.
Bill
--Apple-Mail-4--812467196-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 08:41:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CADC183461; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 234377.79608.bm@omp1016.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293180075; bh=Aorilt/xictDu73WctZF8gHqfERQns+nyoKyRbGTWcE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xCIjKw/GP6t/Ovmg7X/50Ma8fYJSg90vJBFDI5M7RP6S0aTaULbwm7XGpZSrXXs54S6gk7nsbVVULQzWeGh/o+9VLcZdBSFFC8ia0u4xzgYJHK7HtSQpvwliSAWa6dCWk0xvCnNlOnEQyLVyk+gjnFTzSD6bhdLFij6NPv0971Y= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DIwDmoWk1Ch3y2Ot4h527zSngOSKeY5fvF/E7u/Ka25EW+TNKf/5EKQDquLuoeV7yiaHHCxgAUWDrEoWH4/gs1ULbLBig55bIxuWJt4wLEANjdzgHLOKo1a/MIqi2FBXdD1rb3pwiW7JS11eWnD6ElgDZOWEpKMeGL6QKQan1V4=; Message-ID: <828453.96822.qm@web112119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Ucqu9HQVM1lsgPm9qftMrupWoqkkO7.e1gRyRvvR6JnHoHL R1FC5HR1kWjru_ciPvsYsaU3U4.3M2vnfzkuOpN_zdyjze6edPDozLAGjsrC AfGYGkDTZMp8kuYBFyfqFWLLZu.vOjSrrTEl1_3_8ZG2HujxDDn385kxX8wf IizFVUZOgQLtC2YAKTD525tEOBqrNfNfKQ43WR596QGGy33NIVpe3gZmKzqI xftSYR3dN8fS5qf1hYDO6PtLOrEgL1ISSUe6vhDXCsZQKBD1gJBATPBXBDwb HQxjPwNJLTiWq7kVtr5mXFJXNoOntd1d0H0yaoLGkq8JNLDithMFALM3.kZx rLP_tbFPp4hOSQo8ZMGf_OLXJC3wouxmOzxf9EZ1gFKfFJ71oncfMe78YMuT rbOx.GfjoHEwkpzx8 X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 00:41:15 -0800 (PST) From: K D Patten Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <404159.94304.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1880046024-1293180075=:96822" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:41:17 +0000 (UTC) --0-1880046024-1293180075=:96822 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rockports.......Whatta ya do......Restaurant gigs Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA=A0 50131=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=20 =A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs =A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20 =A0http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 =A0 > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Andy Owens wrote= : > > What are the best looping shoes????? =09=09 =09 =09=09 =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-1880046024-1293180075=:96822 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--0-1880046024-1293180075=:96822-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 08:55:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9362F183459; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'Rick Walker'" Cc: References: <04C031BD9DA34E3B96E7984AC46BEEEA@mpeserver> <4D13FE23.4010206@cruzio.com> Subject: RE: hyperspace traffic Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:55:10 +0100 Message-ID: <06142FF7D35E45688AAF06C83626F147@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4D13FE23.4010206@cruzio.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcujDgNGlhxTNoGhR8G2o5kmj6l4lQAObr1w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Rick, sorry for not mentioning your "Miro takes a ride" video ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw72ybyFtWc ... which was an inspiration for this of course. It is now listed in the notes on the youtube page! The Crossfade Loop Synth is one of my favorite plugins ever. It is a realtime sample/playback unit that can run in a loop mode, sampling and playing back simultaneously. What you play gets sampled, then a few seconds later, you trigger these samples by the next notes that you play, ans so forth - instant self-similarity !! -Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Can you explain how the Crossfade Loop Synth works, Michael? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 09:39:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABEB0183461; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 550566045/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.66/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.66 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApkBAAL5E01YbRNC/2dsb2JhbAAMlgfQRIVKBI4V X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,223,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="550566045" Message-ID: <4D146A5B.3010602@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:39:39 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP loop capture References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> <4D13BF9D.20709@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Sylvain Poitras wrote: >> It does send a message at the end of each cycle, and of each loop. >> ...but it does it all the time. > > well, it seems to me all you'd need to do is gate that midi output so > that it gets to the LP1 only when a button is pressed. Not sure if > hardware exists that allows one to do this, I live mostly in the > laptop. Maybe something from > http://www.midisolutions.com/products.htm > > Sylvain > The hardware for that is on the way, the next big update of the Gordius range will have foot controllable midi routing. Now work out how to automatically mute the source loop as the copy starts playback. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 09:59:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C9E4183466; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=pgikAilhEUMBk6Zk96xWnSzLnf0Hmv3iItKXhPRSBnc=; b=c/ByeFmczz3HxQvPAJHRZ3+xB4cB9cHxTB6UNyXEZktvr2mKBNb56hVVhrcnL3bekD BtCL/LUNxCPBGyRL13RDLHDX/s6YMXQ3c3FzT5yNwkpkwzu4DKJ/sO86RTu/yGooH6SQ ol/mURWipbcgtHHcd05404/BessDWZDf+kMsA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QzCdnBGvn88ak2n4PosZIDe1zgE5RdRKcYgzQ7yJcvS/hsmdzS+cSaR7WBitDB6gHF zaHGGNQTSWdKcyb4RDnEyduQgi8HS/2ZdcPOZmSfu5bxnwkFn+5R2lNSWM0/iEUtTvQk a9GS4qObme5C+LrflGmW+1fmLLv6SbIWBVxDw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4D08B2CC.25512.68B0E7@nick.1957.me.uk> <4D094FFA.60100@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 04:59:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: the Nativity, 2010 From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30433eb24f45d10498250cc0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:59:55 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30433eb24f45d10498250cc0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's pretty wonderful Richard, thanks for sharing... the nativity in the modern age, pretty wild. Merry Christmas to all on the list btw. Jim On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:11 PM, richard sales wrote= : > The Nativity, 2010 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGkHNNPM7pJA > > Well... it's kind of loopy > > > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > > --=20 >From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com --20cf30433eb24f45d10498250cc0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's pretty wonderful Richard, thanks for sharing... the nativity in = the modern age, pretty wild. =A0Merry Christmas to all on the list btw.
Jim

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--20cf30433eb24f45d10498250cc0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 11:00:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7AF0183466; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oYA5fjnCIR92MGnAP1pqKWEsAXs1pMBBDo4afDeGS10=; b=EUIYDqv70lJJFGtMZY9G5coyDhzQx7SDEULhnpN9swG4zIZLwiOveuqI/zAHGuN3GM nisNxy6VxWfeOm6jr78jqOutufL/2qfrVTO7hYqCm0XKXFBISXIPMRHk3FZp6tAUuJ7U eq5EHAeu6e5s5rwgwxeJ5Vg66vcVpuNg3YxeM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Ne+h104JdLReG2GWoxf8opBSPjj4TZyIluIwgd2MqLHhGo6yaVP7qa6Kluyyq7xhNP x7LIX1Xo8UXlmmn94aIOaYeZFgc1nlLyncN/v95/5yj9HolWdab1m5cOpHHX4Mkxhy/G 0R5EapYEk1i+7yX5EVSSq8dFZGfXepQEZR1jE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4D08B2CC.25512.68B0E7@nick.1957.me.uk> <4D094FFA.60100@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:00:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: the Nativity, 2010 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Awesome! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 2:11 AM, richard sales wrote: > The Nativity, 2010 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkHNNPM7pJA > Well... it's kind of loopy > > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 11:12:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63899183461; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:12:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dHIx6ukm6DZSUhV6fi7RHRzZGf6/XBhPBXqsbFBFvis=; b=DzRnXwVhB8E7FuCstPYVwzmMl1b5r2Ou7ia80I1GXkSTSNGB2U0Xq+xjhDOFzB4U+g SDGowiHmHrB4aPhAUXikLd8/Ujq4p158WNGmEhkwHzhHDt9W9M7ct9cqn1CQm9jdWQMw pdeQyWP+zpvdVH1YfDfaH/nEf1vcauzXea4y8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=BRe+dty8AJNDWLHc7MraPpYsOBnpEUozWzpfpJQSqw6rzQHlTbjuywuZEvBU3ifxzm UH9C1FOBuZ3jLIwEZepAIVQERARwAAQXhz9vs0bwl9qHQhXLFk4HA6tAsWec4aJ6AwST c20htHWRlr+xvI8IrE/PtlJnM0BSUfn6hBmfA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <04C031BD9DA34E3B96E7984AC46BEEEA@mpeserver> References: <04C031BD9DA34E3B96E7984AC46BEEEA@mpeserver> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:12:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hyperspace traffic From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e644d0c6342a0304982610f0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:12:35 +0000 (UTC) --0016e644d0c6342a0304982610f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That's beautiful, Michael ! -f www.eterogeneo.com 2010/12/23 Michael Peters > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Umkr7i148 > > Soundtrack created using a piano and the Expertsleepers Crossfade Loop > Synth > plugin > Video created using Sony Vegas > > -Michael Peters > > > --0016e644d0c6342a0304982610f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--0016e644d0c6342a0304982610f0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 11:21:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B0E8183466; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ML64no2JHIOO5D0kqwrcDe+/c+qRj3MNx3Qmr2pINcA=; b=d3C2RRzCNIlggQW+H+vRj1wPd8jsh2C+FlyLlj2t/USFpFtEiPWr8gMf/1QUG6/tKA 0m5VO21RpSi7Uqx2Ve3y6vJghRcwBRI5dwQALikKgHmPDI032TPTRf9FbrD7v906EWvh kfIIUa1wDjGcZfSZkP3LV5tXUaD3xv/5V6ByU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ub7ot+V3FqX689U70dHkmyekiLIhQCub8QTLPICEEXoCoMXnT95+AI+Kp7T+5TL6Cc /8tEb/Yg+MYwUQKGVb7BbjixvX8z55OYQ595rK2YsjwpbBwf57M06Chu00Jgs8TndqqN jLz0Fncyumvrc3LgKblXTUIEAxLL4pX8eoyDk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <04C031BD9DA34E3B96E7984AC46BEEEA@mpeserver> References: <04C031BD9DA34E3B96E7984AC46BEEEA@mpeserver> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:21:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: hyperspace traffic From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:21:51 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Umkr7i148 Great stuff, Michael! Nice floating root key feel to the piece. And lovely harmonizer clouds blowing through the piano notes. The CrossFAade LOop Synth is a fav of mine too :-) Besides the sampler functionality you mentioned I also like to use it as a "harmonizer delay", setting it up with three delay lines that play back at different speed/pitch and partly reversed as well. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 11:28:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16633183461; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1483CB.6030608@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 03:28:11 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daryl Shawn CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: EME moonbounce? References: <4D1404F7.9030108@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D1404F7.9030108@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:28:21 +0000 (UTC) The problem with this idea from a practical standpoint is I think that any wire that would carry an audio signal is also going to be an antennae. the reason why long runs of microphone cables always use balanced chords is to defeat this phenomenon. two wires are thrown out out of phase and the audio is only passed through one. consequently, any radio signals that come in through the wire will cancel each other out being 180 degrees out of phase with each other. Also, the spool would need to be unravelled because if it wasn't , then the sound you put into it would just transfer through all of it since it would be touching. You might find a highway construction site (if anyone is constructing hiways in the crumbling empire of the US these days) and catch them right as they are laying cables. You'd have to contact them officially as I imagine that it's illegal to be on site of such construction (due to the huge amount of theft of wire from construction sites these days........copper is really, really valuable and thieves target new building sites constantly, making a lot of money if they get away Cool idea. I hope you can manifest it. Merry Christmas, Daryl. May 2011 be a fantastic year for your considerable talent and artistry. rick walker On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I always wondered if one could send a signal through a tremendously > long wire, long enough that it would take the sound an appreciable > length of time to arrive, thus creating a delay with relatively little > loss of fidelity (though I'm sure there'd be a loss of gain, which > would need to be made up, thus adding some noise to the end signal). > Possible? Should I look around for a five-mile spool of speaker wire > and try it out? > > I assume that the speed of the signal through the wire would not be > limited to the speed of sound in open air, hence it would need to be > quite a long length... > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > >> OK, this might be totally technically naiive but with a time delay of >> around 2 seconds it IS possible to bounce radio signals offf the moon. >> Does anyone here know what sort of fidelity the resultant echo would >> be ? - you can see where I'm going with this... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 11:37:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCD95183474; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1485DB.8000207@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 03:36:59 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark francombe CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? References: <-5185492737060842496@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: <-5185492737060842496@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Dayglo Orange, UV Active Converse High Tops I own two pairs (including one that I've never opened) purchased ridiculously cheap at Hot Topic on sale. They've never let me down. It's vastly important , from a live loopers perspective to use black shoe laces and lace then so that they look like stripes and not typical criss cross patterns. I can't overestimate the importance of this feature, although using black magic marker to black out the Converse Logo and to black out the front rubber white of the shoe are also a huge factor in my own live looping successes. rick walker ps watch for my upcoming release: Dayglo Orange Plastic available only in fancy, one of a kind, original folk art, USB stick form ............... coming in this next year. I'm going to stage and film a large, long live show to augment live performances in Europe and the UK as well as some studio performances. Dayglo Orange Plastic will be the only material used, sonically. I promise. I feel like this community only gets to see me play in 30 minute sessions when I'm stressed out of my mind about the rest of the looping festivals (or trying to get onstage quickly at festivals). I really want to do a long show and document it this year to share with you all. I haven't put out a live looping CD in several years to it's time, I think. You should all buy it merely to see these amazing live looping shoes at work.......lol On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Another vote for converse here... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 11:59:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FB3A183481; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 553605228/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.66/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.66 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApkBAFsZFE1YbRNC/2dsb2JhbAAMlgjPeoVKBI4V X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,223,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="553605228" Message-ID: <4D148B51.3040907@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:00:17 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:59:40 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: >> "1.37 is (I think) what Bill uses, it's too flaky for *some* of what >> I've tried to do with it." > > 1.37 has been stable for me. When Bob gets the time he will debug 1.38 > but he has his hands full right now with other matters. Andy i'm not > sure what you are doing to cause it to be flaky , Trying to work out some "cool rhythmic triggering" moves for your bro :-) > Unfortunately there has yet to be > established a list of multiple command sequences that do and don't work. Roughly it's like this; Essentially the audio part of the software takes up a fixed amount of time for each chunk of samples. Then there's only so much time left over to process commands, ...and those commands need to be processed fast so that the audio part works right. So try and do too much at one time and the processor can't keep up. Now in "normal use" with v1.37 that just doesn't happen. Bob says there's plenty of scope for optimising the software of v1.38, but it's a big job so we're in for a wait before any new features can be added. > So in essence, if you decide to try a command sequence and by that I > mean any set of multiple commands sent from a single press of a switch > you may achieve the results you want and you may not. For example, don't > try doubling up a record command and a reverse command, it won't work. I have HalfSpeed>Reverse>RecDub set up here, that works great. I have loops going, then press that button on a fresh track, play a bit of a solo then press that same button again so it comes back reverse and double speed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 12:12:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D5B818347E; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 553527741/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.66/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.66 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApkBAKMcFE1YbRNC/2dsb2JhbAAMlgjPY4VKBI4V X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,223,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="553527741" Message-ID: <4D148E5F.6010904@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:13:19 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP loop capture References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> <4D13BA97.6050203@tiscali.co.uk> <2C90D5A8-A0DC-4050-96E2-1FC4E501570E@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: <2C90D5A8-A0DC-4050-96E2-1FC4E501570E@grubmah.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Mark Hamburg wrote: > On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:09 PM, andy butler wrote: > >> fcb1010 using Note-On for edp, and ProgCh for LP1. > > One problem I've noticed with some MIDI controllers with respect to ProgCh is that they can be overly helpful by not sending the change if you are already on that program. (At least the specs on some of them read that way.) true, can't remember if the fcb does that, usually it's something that's user configurable. Could always use CC instead. >> I wonder though, if you'd find it easier/better to stick with the EDP and use a larger MoreLoops param and explore SwitchQuant=Cnf > > I generally used my EDP set to a couple of loops. What I've discovered though is that I do like to set up a steady pulse on a separate looper. I could just use the Looperlative for that -- eight stereo tracks makes for a lot of interesting mixing and matching of pulses -- but I was thinking it might be nice to be able to spontaneously say "hey, this EDP loop is cool, let's keep it going in the background". sounds pretty much like what I do with just the edp set to SwitchQuant=Cnf > > The feature I probably miss most from the EDP on the Looperlative (besides I think preferring the EDP time readout though neither feels really ideal in that regard) is Multiply. When improving, I like to drop into multiply mode without thinking about how long I'm going to play for. The Looperlative either wants me to specifically extend the loop by a certain amount or I need to use Sync Record on a new track which works but then I'm back to building layers as opposed to evolving loops. You need to use Sync Bounce. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 15:40:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81CC7183474; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SzMEz1GOgaMi/4+d6ROSFBzAghWGvRvrKAI7oMaxo3XK+EiACLxyq093KRWHdmCc; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8DB03C6F-BF47-4C42-8D26-3894791B741F@mac.com> References: <8DB03C6F-BF47-4C42-8D26-3894791B741F@mac.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:40:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: space echo plug in sort of Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-918917258==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7905bd632327f2a760c96dcc29803fa9e6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:40:40 +0000 (UTC) --============_-918917258==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" GSi do great stuff... and very reasonably priced, too! >GSi - Soundware >for musicians -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-918917258==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: space echo plug in sort of
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--============_-918917258==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 16:09:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A2B018345A; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=j9NEZGRpmNv970zEXUAEfojNmQAJNKvGtExtnKjLyHj1K47422IOqJlcC0IBKa/l; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <77ADDF8F-AFA7-40FC-B5F7-E52477ABE920@baymoon.com> References: <77ADDF8F-AFA7-40FC-B5F7-E52477ABE920@baymoon.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:09:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: world's funniest looper Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-918915545==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79027a1f6ac653ac2c231f9ee738b71b4f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:09:12 +0000 (UTC) --============_-918915545==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Love it.!! >Reggie Watts, gettin it done on a DL-4, I just saw him live on the >Conan O'brien Show, doing a hysterical christmas themed looping bit >, reminds me of John Whooley, with a bit of Andy Kauffman, and a >whole lot of vocal and comic >talent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Za4RfX9mo&feature=related he >was the opening act on Conan's comedy tour this year and of course >all over youtube. >I'm sure someone has mentioned this guy before but I must not have >been paying attention. >Bill -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-918915545==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: world's funniest looper
Love it.!!

Reggie Watts, gettin it done on a DL-4, I just saw him live on the Conan O'brien Show, doing a hysterical christmas themed looping bit , reminds me of John Whooley, with a bit of Andy Kauffman, and a whole lot of vocal and comic talent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Za4RfX9mo&feature=related he was the opening act on Conan's comedy tour this year and of course all over youtube.
I'm sure someone has mentioned this guy before but I must not have been paying attention.
Bill


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http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-918915545==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 16:18:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51A1D183474; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01F0FE5155764FAAB866A2EE99BD6B10@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <-5185492737060842496@unknownmsgid> <4D1485DB.8000207@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4D1485DB.8000207@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:18:48 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:18:46 +0000 (UTC) ?I've got a pair of those fluorescent orange Converses, bought 'em in the late 80s. Problem is, not enough arch support for me to wear for more than an hour or so, if I'm standing up. Look great though. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:36 AM To: mark francombe Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Dayglo Orange, UV Active Converse High Tops I own two pairs (including one that I've never opened) purchased ridiculously cheap at Hot Topic on sale. They've never let me down. It's vastly important , from a live loopers perspective to use black shoe laces and lace then so that they look like stripes and not typical criss cross patterns. I can't overestimate the importance of this feature, although using black magic marker to black out the Converse Logo and to black out the front rubber white of the shoe are also a huge factor in my own live looping successes. rick walker ps watch for my upcoming release: Dayglo Orange Plastic available only in fancy, one of a kind, original folk art, USB stick form ............... coming in this next year. I'm going to stage and film a large, long live show to augment live performances in Europe and the UK as well as some studio performances. Dayglo Orange Plastic will be the only material used, sonically. I promise. I feel like this community only gets to see me play in 30 minute sessions when I'm stressed out of my mind about the rest of the looping festivals (or trying to get onstage quickly at festivals). I really want to do a long show and document it this year to share with you all. I haven't put out a live looping CD in several years to it's time, I think. You should all buy it merely to see these amazing live looping shoes at work.......lol On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Another vote for converse here... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 16:24:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 489E0183474; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <828453.96822.qm@web112119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <828453.96822.qm@web112119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:24:47 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01CBA387.14E31550"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:24:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CBA387.14E31550 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0041_01CBA387.14E31550" ------=_NextPart_001_0041_01CBA387.14E31550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BFRockports are superb now that they=E2=80=99ve returned to the = more-pointy toe oxford look. I=E2=80=99ve got the ones I bought back in = =E2=80=9897 and while they=E2=80=99re not good looking enough to go out = in, they=E2=80=99re wonderful at home (I tell Sarah they=E2=80=99re my = =E2=80=9Cwork shoes=E2=80=9D). Of course right now it=E2=80=99s tall leather boots to get back and = forth to the studio. The snow=E2=80=99s not melted yet, and there was = between 8-10=E2=80=9D from a week ago.=20 From: K D Patten=20 Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 8:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Rockports.......Whatta ya do......Restaurant gigs Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA 50131 =20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20 http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten =20 > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Andy Owens = wrote: > > What are the best looping shoes????? =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0041_01CBA387.14E31550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rockports are superb now that they=E2=80=99ve returned to the = more-pointy toe=20 oxford look.  I=E2=80=99ve got the ones I bought back in = =E2=80=9897 and while they=E2=80=99re not=20 good looking enough to go out in, they=E2=80=99re wonderful at home (I = tell Sarah=20 they=E2=80=99re my =E2=80=9Cwork shoes=E2=80=9D).
 
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Rockports.......Whatta ya do......Restaurant = gigs

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On Dec 24, 2010, at = 2:13 AM, William Walker wrote:

Reggie Watts, gettin it done on = a DL-4, I just saw him live on the Conan O'brien Show, doing a = hysterical christmas themed looping bit , reminds me of John Whooley, = with a bit of Andy Kauffman, and a whole lot of vocal and comic = talent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D35Za4RfX9mo&feature=3Drelated=  he was the opening act on Conan's comedy tour this year and of = course all over youtube.
I'm sure someone has mentioned this guy = before but I must not have been paying = attention.
Bill

Todd = Matthews





= --Apple-Mail-2--779406532-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 16:25:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D052183479; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=p7j8eyw2pF589tklOA2UAHSnVPUk4TGrr/dogtAJgrc=; b=bPJ1+nIoea9JvxDp0TQJMbYV4zXMUH7mfGRJ43vk7fGZgQ44DidFiYcwjkVpxgc/GR SUvZEPCxZo9KVneLpBgj3PEMmObYq3Nx7ujeCD4VVS2MftpJz5EdR1fnoSVgQAw+lG3b XoFoL8Qy0CE1x59wjJJ362pXeYEVArzyyyFB0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=qDEDsWyawolnRebPGe8yb5KObPoSb59moPgtN+BvE/WJhWWyp20Bp9M2c/2y9h7CoY mYi/JCeuPUqam9zfrUM+1N6KAE20jfUlemewFsqWSWWkA475cqRzqzZYgr/QXRxKF5Qs oMCSS8VQ15QuxjE9wMGfaUOGuaoaH71O0T9Cc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:25:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Musical discoveries of 2010 From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Some of my personal discoveries of 2010: Would you like to share yours? Gabl=E9 http://gable1.free.fr/ Saw them live in Iceland. Amazing set... I hope their future recordings will capture what I heard that night. Patrick Watson http://www.patrickwatson.net/ I had been aware of him (and his band) for a while, but this yaer I had the chance to spend considerable time with his newest release (wooden arms). Tune-yards http://tune-yards.com/ I'm bit late to this party, but I'm glad I made it after all. Really nice blend of folky sensibilities and (at times) musique conr=E8te rhythm. Very low-fi. if then do http://www.ifthendo.ca/ Local band of laptop musicians. No synthesis, but rely entirely on modifying recorded sounds. Michel F. C=F4t=E9 http://www.actuellecd.com/en/bio/cote_mi/ I've listned to his Compil zouave more than anything else this year: http://www.actuellecd.com/en/cat/am_067/ Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 16:28:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9246718347D; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GdjQSV1fDFHFL7BIKwJ22zIv34OOlIDwcMnOkwYSeuo=; b=raoUOLzPkjaRXxK+VZ0wbUiQjWp6BNpPRA6mzUKO2tMWxetN2ch44oemNTPeWyiePa bXPQwNhVEf8fDZPQvLqIm2LCCjzMu+npE3fzVbMcbBcQytum/TsPYR0SozGaQj/b1Rmt OB7g600QEVVLRCcOJ+ZEdColhV06yOplx8bwg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=NAb+A4Qy9lnzP3WanZhVzhsQgbWgxrs/XkBScmQLN/uZkezks+qm9MYNrdelWGbeIE sH92FNbpGRmByyuASxobdE/nEsj1UlExmIFKWAhgEDZA52D0U9uwDJOEIyZpMvsNNAQt Wgx6+rSwrj6/8FWVTz5fHQ1IA8aZ/cjmzfqJI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:28:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Musical discoveries of 2010 From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a33768c8c504982a7816 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:28:05 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a33768c8c504982a7816 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really good topic for a thread, OT or not. Would chime in but my findings probably a bit too on commercial side. thanks for these. 2010/12/24 Sylvain Poitras > Some of my personal discoveries of 2010: Would you like to share yours? > > Gabl=E9 > http://gable1.free.fr/ > Saw them live in Iceland. Amazing set... I hope their future > recordings will capture what I heard that night. > > Patrick Watson > http://www.patrickwatson.net/ > I had been aware of him (and his band) for a while, but this yaer I > had the chance to spend considerable time with his newest release > (wooden arms). > > Tune-yards > http://tune-yards.com/ > I'm bit late to this party, but I'm glad I made it after all. Really > nice blend of folky sensibilities and (at times) musique conr=E8te > rhythm. Very low-fi. > > if then do > http://www.ifthendo.ca/ > Local band of laptop musicians. No synthesis, but rely entirely on > modifying recorded sounds. > > Michel F. C=F4t=E9 > http://www.actuellecd.com/en/bio/cote_mi/ > I've listned to his Compil zouave more than anything else this year: > http://www.actuellecd.com/en/cat/am_067/ > > > Sylvain > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a33768c8c504982a7816 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really good topic for a thread, OT or not.
Would chime in but my finding= s probably a bit too on commercial side.
thanks for these.

2010/12/24 Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com>=
Some of my person= al discoveries of 2010: =A0Would you like to share yours?

Gabl=E9
http://gable1.free.fr/=
Saw them live in Iceland. =A0Amazing set... =A0I hope their future
recordings will capture what I heard that night.

Patrick Watson
http://www.patr= ickwatson.net/
I had been aware of him (and his band) for a while, but this yaer I
had the chance to spend considerable time with his newest release
(wooden arms).

Tune-yards
http://tune-yards.com/=
I'm bit late to this party, but I'm glad I made it after all. =A0Re= ally
nice blend of folky sensibilities and (at times) musique conr=E8te
rhythm. =A0Very low-fi.

if then do
http://www.ifthendo.c= a/
Local band of laptop musicians. =A0No synthesis, but rely entirely on
modifying recorded sounds.

Michel F. C=F4t=E9
htt= p://www.actuellecd.com/en/bio/cote_mi/
I've listned to his Compil zouave more than anything else this year: http= ://www.actuellecd.com/en/cat/am_067/


Sylvain




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Petri Lahtinenhttp://www.petrilahtinen.com=
http://petrilahtinen.blo= gspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/pet= rilahtinen
http://twitt= er.com/PetriLahtinen
= http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
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"Only become pr= ofessional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
--------= -------------------------------------------
"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-
--20cf3054a33768c8c504982a7816-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 16:39:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0678D18348D; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4F1EFE67-6842-405E-9106-9B23FFC06488@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--778558529 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Looperlative Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:38:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:39:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--778558529 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have HalfSpeed>Reverse>RecDub set up here, that works great. I have loops going, then press that button on a fresh track, play a bit of a solo then press that same button again so it comes back reverse and double speed. hmmmmm well its been a while since I tried that perhaps I was using an ealrier software version that could'nt handle it or perhaps just my sequence of commands was different and because its easy to do the same thing by ending a record command with a reverse command it didn't occur to me to try it again. As I recall it was a couple of years ago and my sequence was syncrecordoverdub>reverse, and it would fritz the machine on first press. Bill --Apple-Mail-5--778558529 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have
HalfSpeed>Reverse>RecDub set up here, = that works great.
I have loops going, then press that button on a = fresh track,
play a bit of a solo then press that same button again = so
it comes back reverse and double speed.


hmmmmm well its been a = while since I tried that perhaps I was using an ealrier software version = that could'nt handle it or perhaps just my sequence of commands was = different and because its easy to do the same thing by ending a record = command with a reverse command it didn't occur to me to try it again. As = I recall it was a couple of years ago and my sequence was =  syncrecordoverdub>reverse, and it would fritz the machine on = first press.
Bill
= --Apple-Mail-5--778558529-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 16:55:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08914183491; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:55:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YAb+lo4fDQd7ZKWSgcAqXC7oQzz16pJWuhsdGQasvDc=; b=peozVJ26alFA4MgtoI4c386zZa7l//RyhGJcJyS3qe/FEC6MQmPMd+NqI84BxdIhXX 6oyFY/Uam7SeZWdYnSZ/X5PNy1X69AbQ0A+wu1kbc1R/1pBeXg3PWmoCe90avigdUcyY Gs7qz3Gwb3s+U1PzmPjG3EMB1aLGnsuNC1its= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uaG3z3syMFCrsDT+LUjLO/LS4zQ+c21fNNNrCRxdYQPoQdzwSn8hdZOvYOaa3Bk5R6 5PFM5ijwV7T19REZ8V5ZOL5Go47Y2uaq08e7jSGuBbNvX2S7Ev0Gcf77DYRC7LkXJnk0 kQ7VM6GwrI/IuAgACWAn6W9XH1iFz0nSqzQcc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D146A5B.3010602@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> <4D13BF9D.20709@tiscali.co.uk> <4D146A5B.3010602@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:55:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP loop capture From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:55:14 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 4:39 AM, andy butler wrote: > Now work out how to automatically mute the source loop > as the copy starts playback. I'm tempted to suggest the same trick the other way. Take whatever the LP1 sends at the start of the loop and make that trigger a mute command on the EDP. You could then reset things on the EDP and unMute when ready to roll. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 17:31:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CD1418347F; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:31:13 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? From: Qua Veda In-Reply-To: <4D1483CB.6030608@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:24:32 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <95101752-B933-4FCC-83A6-17B6171DEDA4@oregon.com> References: <4D1404F7.9030108@gmail.com> <4D1483CB.6030608@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-MagicMail-UUID: ac2282b8-0f82-11e0-bdd7-001517857ac1 X-MagicMail-MUA: ac2282b8-0f82-11e0-bdd7-001517857ac1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:31:14 +0000 (UTC) The signal would be electrical and not audio, of course. and the very = long wire would essentially act like a large resistor. signal to noise might become a factor to deal with this reminds me of folks who listen to lightning strikes (called = 'whistlers' ) by attaching some sort of electrical device to long runs = of wire fencing out in remote , northern plains areas. =20 lightning strikes around the world generate fluctuations in the magnetic = fields that can be picked up my these very long 'antennas' for a better source of info than my questionable memory... = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistler_(radio) -Qua On Dec 24, 2010, at 3:28 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > The problem with this idea from a practical standpoint > is I think that any wire that would carry an audio signal is also > going to be an antennae. >=20 > the reason why long runs of microphone cables always use balanced = chords > is to defeat this phenomenon. >=20 > two wires are thrown out out of phase and the audio is only passed = through > one. consequently, any radio signals that come in through the = wire > will cancel each other out being 180 degrees out of phase with each = other. >=20 > Also, the spool would need to be unravelled because if it wasn't , = then the sound > you put into it would just transfer through all of it since it would = be touching. >=20 > You might find a highway construction site (if anyone is constructing = hiways in > the crumbling empire of the US these days) and catch them > right as they are laying cables. >=20 > You'd have to contact them officially as I imagine that it's illegal = to be on site of > such construction (due to the huge amount of theft of wire from = construction > sites these days........copper is really, really valuable and thieves = target new building > sites constantly, making a lot of money if they get away >=20 > Cool idea. I hope you can manifest it. >=20 > Merry Christmas, Daryl. May 2011 be a fantastic year for your = considerable > talent and artistry. >=20 > rick walker >=20 >=20 > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: >> I always wondered if one could send a signal through a tremendously = long wire, long enough that it would take the sound an appreciable = length of time to arrive, thus creating a delay with relatively little = loss of fidelity (though I'm sure there'd be a loss of gain, which would = need to be made up, thus adding some noise to the end signal). Possible? = Should I look around for a five-mile spool of speaker wire and try it = out? >>=20 >> I assume that the speed of the signal through the wire would not be = limited to the speed of sound in open air, hence it would need to be = quite a long length... >>=20 >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com >>=20 >>=20 >>> OK, this might be totally technically naiive but with a time delay = of around 2 seconds it IS possible to bounce radio signals offf the = moon. >>> Does anyone here know what sort of fidelity the resultant echo would = be ? - you can see where I'm going with this... >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 17:37:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5F6118347B; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D14DA57.3040009@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:37:27 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #716 for December 23, 2010. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0cUjK.A.k6G.bpNFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:37:31 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/101223.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #716 December 23, 2010. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Live in the USA 2009" which is a self -released title. Modulator ESP: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#dec Congratulations to local listener Josh of Hellertown, Pennsylvania, USA, and internet listener Tony of Fox River Grove, Illinois, USA. They each won a set of DVDs by Klaus Schulze, featuring Lisa Gerrard. The DVDs are "Rheingold - Live at the Loreley" (a two DVD set) and "Dziekuje Bardo." Thank you to Jon Freeman of Freeman Promotions LLC for supplying the DVDs to support Galactic Travels and WDIY, Lehigh Valley Community Public Radio. PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Spyra Treysa II No Beats For 1 Hour (Ricochet Dream) Gert Emmens Pace of Voyage Metamorphosis (Groove) Create Search and Rescue * We Live By the Machines (Groove) Hypnosphere Part 5 Magnetism (Spheric Music) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Modulator ESP Live at electro- Live in the USA 2009 (none) music 2009 Modulator ESP Live at City Skies Live in the USA 2009 (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Alien Forest Observations" which is a self-released title. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 18:11:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B91A183476; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 915315.57183.bm@omp1012.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293214292; bh=4pquw8aUDGoee9a+ahcyEV47OR3Yr2VM7A7wSbmy18c=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KusUgn0XXmFW0umGIYd1aWft3v/sbajb4zjFJmi/UZTolQfmCF071sS3NaqKgvxKahIsJJtF9Dm7UYtNww2D2q7YTDo7esPISPxSme35cYEEzxCZxzH/2cVYcqYh9L7BTnExFCs4gpz6nVMZU8ES2n76Wfhyv3NSoBzr2AkhZ2o= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cTnYuIebFOgmk01E46MRv941ABye7eW7yqSeJocsi2sr6y4eSbwb4hGAgfT4L/PrKWVLfsg3Sm1PD4vU/pwUjEc2g3NOYl+3mmyIWeOGcLSvdjC1Em5zYl1HEoYzk3KoFht8Wqu4d6UREHSblXg//zq5PP60GSKklnnfbwJhygM=; Message-ID: <563574.40121.qm@web45913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: zwCyr3MVM1nkOH2bm6eOOCSJLJs_XQ7GWF2ezsuWTnhYJYU 8gfylAr1ISfOTWPHwKEBLfC3sk7jySjlUp7vHKTlP0ZDjVwcnQDmY0NLCeGl 846XlY194N3nRIxGJv1cfFQ3N0F_GRM9TUeFh3sIzFEHy3hDp50WcxlEUgim M7iNKNEH1qR.JzeZr8oXJiuuoVeonpDJSFqIHmaNX9ERcfhYyH8lVni473GA UBvTXzkk4rtzm81AEVmTqDQBNtPDgjq1OVK3J.TwNh2sr2ymY4ZxH.iZ0wg- - X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <4D1404F7.9030108@gmail.com> <4D1483CB.6030608@cruzio.com> <95101752-B933-4FCC-83A6-17B6171DEDA4@oregon.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: E Gross Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <95101752-B933-4FCC-83A6-17B6171DEDA4@oregon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1126224981-1293214292=:40121" Resent-Message-ID: <-_c_xD.A.hrH.WJOFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:11:34 +0000 (UTC) --0-1126224981-1293214292=:40121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about this: use a landline phone, call a friend in a far continent -- undersea cable is pretty long. To maximize the delay, have that friend call another friend who is on another continent, etc. Not very good fidelity since phones use a limited frequency range, plus there are switching delays in the phone system, but at least it is feasible to hear a result. You would need to work with the phone company on this one, since all undersea cables now are optical and digitize the signals, but AFAIK the old electrical cables and repeaters are still there and usable. Eric ________________________________ From: Qua Veda To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 12:24:32 PM Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? The signal would be electrical and not audio, of course. and the very long wire would essentially act like a large resistor. signal to noise might become a factor to deal with this reminds me of folks who listen to lightning strikes (called 'whistlers' ) by attaching some sort of electrical device to long runs of wire fencing out in remote , northern plains areas. lightning strikes around the world generate fluctuations in the magnetic fields that can be picked up my these very long 'antennas' for a better source of info than my questionable memory... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistler_(radio) -Qua On Dec 24, 2010, at 3:28 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > The problem with this idea from a practical standpoint > is I think that any wire that would carry an audio signal is also > going to be an antennae. > > the reason why long runs of microphone cables always use balanced chords > is to defeat this phenomenon. > > two wires are thrown out out of phase and the audio is only passed through > one. consequently, any radio signals that come in through the wire > will cancel each other out being 180 degrees out of phase with each other. > > Also, the spool would need to be unravelled because if it wasn't , then the >sound > you put into it would just transfer through all of it since it would be >touching. > > You might find a highway construction site (if anyone is constructing hiways in > the crumbling empire of the US these days) and catch them > right as they are laying cables. > > You'd have to contact them officially as I imagine that it's illegal to be on >site of > such construction (due to the huge amount of theft of wire from construction > sites these days........copper is really, really valuable and thieves target >new building > sites constantly, making a lot of money if they get away > > Cool idea. I hope you can manifest it. > > Merry Christmas, Daryl. May 2011 be a fantastic year for your considerable > talent and artistry. > > rick walker > > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: >> I always wondered if one could send a signal through a tremendously long wire, >>long enough that it would take the sound an appreciable length of time to >>arrive, thus creating a delay with relatively little loss of fidelity (though >>I'm sure there'd be a loss of gain, which would need to be made up, thus adding >>some noise to the end signal). Possible? Should I look around for a five-mile >>spool of speaker wire and try it out? >> >> I assume that the speed of the signal through the wire would not be limited to >>the speed of sound in open air, hence it would need to be quite a long length... >> >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com >> >> >>> OK, this might be totally technically naiive but with a time delay of around 2 >>>seconds it IS possible to bounce radio signals offf the moon. >>> Does anyone here know what sort of fidelity the resultant echo would be ? - you >>>can see where I'm going with this... > --0-1126224981-1293214292=:40121 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
How about this: use a landline phone, call a friend in a far continent -- undersea cable is pretty long. To maximize the delay, have that friend call another friend who is on another continent, etc. Not very good fidelity since phones use a limited frequency range, plus there are switching delays in the phone system, but at least it is feasible to hear a result.

You would need to work with the phone company on this one, since all undersea cables now are optical and digitize the signals, but AFAIK the old electrical cables and repeaters are still there and usable.

Eric

From: Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 12:24:32 PM
Subject: Re: EME moonbounce?

The signal would be electrical and not audio, of course.  and the very long wire would essentially act like a large resistor.
signal to noise might become a factor to deal with

this reminds me of folks who listen to lightning strikes  (called 'whistlers' ) by attaching some sort of electrical device to long runs of wire fencing out in remote , northern plains areas. 

lightning strikes around the world generate fluctuations in the magnetic fields that can be picked up my these very long 'antennas'

for a better source of info than my questionable memory...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistler_(radio)

-Qua



On Dec 24, 2010, at 3:28 AM, Rick Walker wrote:

> The problem with this idea from a practical standpoint
> is I think that any wire that would carry an audio signal is also
> going to be an antennae.
>
> the reason why long runs of microphone cables always use balanced chords
> is to defeat this phenomenon.
>
> two wires are thrown out out of phase and the audio is only passed through
> one.    consequently,  any radio  signals that come in through the wire
> will cancel each other out being 180 degrees out of phase with each other.
>
> Also,  the spool would need to be unravelled because if it wasn't , then the sound
> you put into it would just transfer through all of it since it would be touching.
>
> You might find a highway construction site (if anyone is constructing hiways in
> the crumbling empire of the US these days) and catch them
> right as they are laying cables.
>
> You'd have to contact them officially as I imagine that it's illegal to be on site of
> such construction (due to the huge amount of theft of wire from construction
> sites these days........copper is really, really valuable and thieves target new building
> sites constantly, making a lot of money if they get away
>
> Cool idea.  I hope you can manifest it.
>
> Merry Christmas,  Daryl.  May 2011 be a fantastic year for your considerable
> talent and artistry.
>
> rick walker
>
>
> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote:
>> I always wondered if one could send a signal through a tremendously long wire, long enough that it would take the sound an appreciable length of time to arrive, thus creating a delay with relatively little loss of fidelity (though I'm sure there'd be a loss of gain, which would need to be made up, thus adding some noise to the end signal). Possible? Should I look around for a five-mile spool of speaker wire and try it out?
>>
>> I assume that the speed of the signal through the wire would not be limited to the speed of sound in open air, hence it would need to be quite a long length...
>>
>> Daryl Shawn
>> www.swanwelder.com
>>
>>
>>> OK, this might be totally technically naiive but with a time delay of around 2 seconds it IS possible to bounce radio signals offf the moon.
>>> Does anyone here know what sort of fidelity the resultant echo would be ? - you can see where I'm going with this...
>


--0-1126224981-1293214292=:40121-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 18:49:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31252183476; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 553786255/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.66/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.66 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqABAHJ5FE1YbRNC/2dsb2JhbAAMlgnOR4VKBI4V X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,224,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="553786255" Message-ID: <4D14EB50.5050204@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:49:52 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP loop capture References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> <4D13BF9D.20709@tiscali.co.uk> <4D146A5B.3010602@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Sylvain Poitras wrote: > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 4:39 AM, andy butler wrote: >> Now work out how to automatically mute the source loop >> as the copy starts playback. > > I'm tempted to suggest the same trick the other way. Take whatever > the LP1 sends at the start of the loop nothing >and make that trigger a mute > command on the EDP. :-( back to the drawing board andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 18:49:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DF7E183479; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 553786317/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.66/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.66 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqABAHJ5FE1YbRNC/2dsb2JhbAAMlgnOR4VKBI4V X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,224,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="553786317" Message-ID: <4D14EB56.3000202@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:49:58 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative References: <4F1EFE67-6842-405E-9106-9B23FFC06488@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <4F1EFE67-6842-405E-9106-9B23FFC06488@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:49:19 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: > my > sequence was syncrecordoverdub>reverse, and it would fritz the machine > on first press. > Bill not that surprising, as reverse normally ends a recording. reverse>syncrecordoverdub would work. 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=
thanks 

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=0A=0A=0A=0A   --0-399988050-1293223624=:20636-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 20:55:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6623E183479; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 553854780/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.66/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.66 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkkCAOuXFE1YbRNC/2dsb2JhbAAMlgrNf4VKBI4V X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,225,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="553854780" Message-ID: <4D1508C3.8010904@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:55:31 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP loop capture References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> <4D13BA97.6050203@tiscali.co.uk> <2C90D5A8-A0DC-4050-96E2-1FC4E501570E@grubmah.com> <4D148E5F.6010904@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D148E5F.6010904@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2OV1d.A.5_D.miQFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Mark Hamburg wrote: >> I generally used my EDP set to a couple of loops. What I've discovered >> though is that I do like to set up a steady pulse on a separate >> looper. I could just use the Looperlative for that -- eight stereo >> tracks makes for a lot of interesting mixing and matching of pulses -- >> but I was thinking it might be nice to be able to spontaneously say >> "hey, this EDP loop is cool, let's keep it going in the background". andy butler wrote: > > > sounds pretty much like what I do with just the edp set to SwitchQuant=Cnf > er.. no it doesn't. I do create the steady pulse and can keep it going while doing *some* loop manipulations. (via Next Mult) ...but obviously with with a single edp I can' mangle one loop while running another. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 20:57:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE0F7183479; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/WvbbAY1eBIfDiA2ucrXouQEqw4FP+64c66pkieu4wU=; b=P+tk3bfo4bHzN0d+0SdH+SVksK7N1xdZPxDS1DROMzauADJ365LfaX+DM9vh/6jssu Ed7mzTXmUcYbrjliHi2dyxNtqysj4iDggo4K/G4ykbjUF+jjRwLjgrexEOlKD229wg8t tkqhZTUBlV1yseBqgcvriFinPoLYY6lJ1wIjQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LRQJzUQRIKvLBzeWzEZDRkd+/x29Z+hoVcpq2964n2+olmIlIliDpCEvZwQpaUFYh4 NwnUd9Lv9qqzUh4yn58dLZ6ytYv6A1DVeIBKVDeVnGygktxU1BX7b+UIZxc+BNd4ZBR1 nWPOz3rEFkKXL8k+OB98jVsvYr6keyE7QRRVA= Message-ID: <4D15093F.1050003@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:57:35 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? References: <4D1404F7.9030108@gmail.com> <4D1483CB.6030608@cruzio.com> <95101752-B933-4FCC-83A6-17B6171DEDA4@oregon.com> <563574.40121.qm@web45913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <563574.40121.qm@web45913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:57:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a cool idea, indeed. Natch'lly I'd love to keep it in the analog realm, not quite sure who I could work with to utilize those old cables....worth looking into. I do enjoy the sound of lo-fi delay, though part of the original idea was to try to retain full original fidelity. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > How about this: use a landline phone, call a friend in a far continent > -- undersea cable is pretty long. To maximize the delay, have that > friend call another friend who is on another continent, etc. Not very > good fidelity since phones use a limited frequency range, plus there > are switching delays in the phone system, but at least it is feasible > to hear a result. > > You would need to work with the phone company on this one, since all > undersea cables now are optical and digitize the signals, but AFAIK > the old electrical cables and repeaters are still there and usable. > > Eric From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 21:01:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58691183476; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vSrdeLtDwtoY8Hvg629dkb8PCWfk48dhaJFblpLyac8=; b=AvtEYs+LanHga2PSeXjI6Y579tgxFYdmAQTBvVePCBxEVDalyId1U447OhuaaoQ0Mc Int+mBwFXrO8PrpxzipeqfM32JgE/6KOiFaGNsTu0GsBA6bWRC210rnvK/HoJG9xaWQ/ kj2WCjsEAlfs/1CFwhcPY3Kyh+azPDE2NTKfY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=MfQIAmLdZwDNNJAc3T6crJsoR2IypiEcVkTFz9017Zw9vTG1xaD2z95/YW0q4fA+br Xv28aNZwkZqIXyDPtVKlpIroEduKSnMYdVoTorMl28zvLTn/J377Duo/sS1VHvUmE8C/ 7a7RQD/Ku4sfOW1R+Tcvo1aSTCwlH7fqxuqqo= MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Jim W." Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:01:15 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Lightning strikes, was Re: EME moonbounce? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:01:57 +0000 (UTC) http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/arts/design/14sugimoto.html?_r=3D1 This recent Sunday Times article on Hiroshi Sugimoto is a fascinating look at how he is exposing negatives using tesla coils and generators to discharge across the plates. My nephew, Gregg Stanger, is his direct assistance. I am looking forward to seeing some of these when they make it to a sdhow out here next year. Meanwhile, my nephew & I are discussing similar approaches to making direct exposures of sound discharges. I'm very happy for this young man, I first met nhim 33 years ago chasing him in a diaper in his backyard. The article is worth the read & there is a cool photo. On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Qua Veda wrote: > The signal would be electrical and not audio, of course. =A0and the very = long wire would essentially act like a large resistor. > signal to noise might become a factor to deal with > > this reminds me of folks who listen to lightning strikes =A0(called 'whis= tlers' ) by attaching some sort of electrical device to long runs of wire f= encing out in remote , northern plains areas. > > lightning strikes around the world generate fluctuations in the magnetic = fields that can be picked up my these very long 'antennas' > > for a better source of info than my questionable memory... =A0 http://en.= wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistler_(radio) > > -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 21:05:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DDA4183476; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3P7BcDAVbp01hMRjijev0mivEG99CM4JC3G0Je4OJn0=; b=X90Znu+Aejwtn6PRyYSgRoL8KS+KsF2pQrBB/XMznK+OSQsg4f8n5BsX71faeiR2yO ndjvUZm875C/z8foQdd0diy8lvdokEYjGE6qKWECb/ZdhAhCI8fg5sGBF0gAsf6b/Wr4 ++aOZp1v2yGIrmXFF6ZrOXERXG5miE/GwFxZI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TVIJwdcRh6h3PDkTdo+7wR3Ll0osxK2ekhvMkJOBR967mc66TABpav3mSBnr1bQUoE s8qoRN9P/Pk9V/RVJHekMFA15bK0yqVhs+lz6BnHKJBEOO83EA3X7v7pXt/1ViZsCCgE cwm6KcnTjNOvE0e2duDM3iK6nYpHBbaBd0/eY= Message-ID: <4D150B28.8040101@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:05:44 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? References: <4D1404F7.9030108@gmail.com> <4D1483CB.6030608@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4D1483CB.6030608@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Ah...I guess it would need to be a balanced cable, then, eh? I wonder if the common shielding on mic cable would prevent the crosstalk. Qua mentioned resistors (dig that whistlers link, never heard of that!). Would resistors in the path actually slow down the signal in an appreciable way? What would happen to audio that was passed through dozens of resistors? Asking as an electronics numbnut here (which should be apparent already...). Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com PS - Rick - Merry Christmas to you as well, thanks for the good wishes! May 2011 be tremendously fruitful for you, and may your rhythm intensive take over the world! > The problem with this idea from a practical standpoint > is I think that any wire that would carry an audio signal is also > going to be an antennae. > > the reason why long runs of microphone cables always use balanced chords > is to defeat this phenomenon. > > two wires are thrown out out of phase and the audio is only passed > through > one. consequently, any radio signals that come in through the wire > will cancel each other out being 180 degrees out of phase with each > other. > > Also, the spool would need to be unravelled because if it wasn't , > then the sound > you put into it would just transfer through all of it since it would > be touching. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 21:11:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33681183483; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ttFPP6cSOhJQQRKKcVPuw2kow4ruQVKB0E3iJ2OtuC4=; b=uwxqxYHATLFDfy2UDl0DdgpAVxnMZX8ef6Rg2hq0Hdbk97yGd9DbAGAlcgL5z4ib3c mQKZ/9+9xDMfMv4thUlyYhkPH1dLinWFko89SQQmYILiLe4Fu74+HrsSmR5q9PSJDlpS ODZmZIfcgz+SLlL/RQX2pxkInfcsAFSiIPnOQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TJBWgK274w7WYp+LDlL6zr1ViqSBLtURXxpEYzTH9Q5RDz+MnRbxUOapWpuyWWbwfA rVlI3CxV8WvtfsPw+TnXYxDzmh0aIjb1kYKsX9IYvxQDJPvoTGBo8EbPUyHbV+oK35+H mU0fJD7WX6upy32HA/yP54738fwZJJGiECoAk= Message-ID: <4D150C8D.1050600@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:11:41 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? References: <828453.96822.qm@web112119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_GpwAD.A.DtE.VyQFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:11:49 +0000 (UTC) These are kinda skate-style, I dig a lot of the graphics. I keep telling my artist friends to enter the design contests. http://www.ryz.com/ Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 22:11:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DEC1183475; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:11:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: EDP loop capture References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> <4D13BA97.6050203@tiscali.co.uk> <2C90D5A8-A0DC-4050-96E2-1FC4E501570E@grubmah.com> <4D148E5F.6010904@tiscali.co.uk> <4D1508C3.8010904@tiscali.co.uk> From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <4D1508C3.8010904@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1DF7EAC9-AC8C-49D4-8557-98ADB1E3F639@1800dialword.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:10:49 -0500 thread-topic: EDP loop capture thread-index: Acujt47tEeX4qP3tR2CoTBDl+1bQ0Q== To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2010 22:11:49.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F7A4A10:01CBA3B7] Resent-Message-ID: <8Z94XD.A.QlG.mqRFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:11:50 +0000 (UTC) I an noobie here, but why not just do all this on the LP1? I have my novatio= n work surface so I have eight faders for loop volume, have eight pot style p= an controls for panning, and eight pot style controls for feedback. That sti= ll leaves me 24 switch buttons to tell the lp1 to do whatever i want. What w= ould tge edp in front gain? Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 24, 2010, at 3:55 PM, andy butler wrote: >=20 >=20 > Mark Hamburg wrote: >>> I generally used my EDP set to a couple of loops. What I've discovered t= hough is that I do like to set up a steady pulse on a separate looper. I cou= ld just use the Looperlative for that -- eight stereo tracks makes for a lot= of interesting mixing and matching of pulses -- but I was thinking it might= be nice to be able to spontaneously say "hey, this EDP loop is cool, let's k= eep it going in the background". >=20 > andy butler wrote: >> sounds pretty much like what I do with just the edp set to SwitchQuant=3D= Cnf >=20 > er.. no it doesn't. > I do create the steady pulse and can keep it going while doing > *some* loop manipulations. (via Next Mult) > ...but obviously with with a single edp I can' mangle one loop > while running another. >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 22:15:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3795183476; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 492 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:15:00 UTC Message-ID: <009e01cba3b6$eb362280$6400a8c0@vulcan> From: "d.nix" To: References: <4D1404F7.9030108@gmail.com> <4D1483CB.6030608@cruzio.com> <4D150B28.8040101@gmail.com> Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:07:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:15:00 +0000 (UTC) miles of wire (or however many thousands of feet) will already be the equavalent of a large resistor... most large power resistors are in fact coils of wire inside a cement substrate. So you will indeed be 'impeding' the signal. Here is a chart that may shed some light: http://www.cirris.com/testing/resistance/wire.html > Qua mentioned resistors (dig that whistlers link, never heard of that!). > Would resistors in the path actually slow down the signal in an > appreciable way? What would happen to audio that was passed through > dozens of resistors? Asking as an electronics numbnut here (which should > be apparent already...). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 22:38:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E32AC183476; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1520CD.404@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:38:05 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sylvain Poitras CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Musical discoveries of 2010 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker here. this is my set for best musical discoveries of 2010: Thomas Dybdahl Norwegian singer/songwriter: especially for one of the loveliest songs I've ever heard, "Love Story" Yeah Yeah Yeahs (I came late to them but really dig them now) Black Rebel Motorcycle Club (I had the distinct pleasure of jamming for a long time with leading songwriter, Peter Hayes at NAMM last year in the Looperlative booth and honestly didn't know who they were. It was really magical so I looked him up and now have all of their albums. The guy has this amazing ability to write the simplest song and it sound beautiful, heartfelt and , refreshingly, in the mode of original rock and roll. I'm a huge fan Trente Moller (I also came late to him) Danish abstract electronica artist: wonderful! Mark Hollis (amazing melancholic singer for Talk Talk--been around for a while but I fell in love with his solo album this year) Fever Ray (the sister from the Swedish band, the Knife) Extremely original and mysterious incredible pagan videos on youtube. Brian Blades (known as an amazing jazz drummer and composer but he released a very beautiful and soulful singer/songwriter record this year that's up there with anything) called 'Mama Rosa' up there with all of my favorite singer/songwriter records. Artists at Y2KX Loop Festival that I've never heard before and was floored by: Daniel Berkman playing the Gravikord (electric Kora -19 string harp from West Africa) had a very nice newbie set and a fantastic CD that's been on my 'turntable' a lot this year. A beautiful mixture of the grace of this instrument but with a very hip/modern glitchy electronica sensibility. Watch for this guy! Laurie Amat I've known of her but really got to hear her sing in her newbie concert. A really amazing and exceedingly creative and unique singer. I really look forward to working with her in the coming year Chris Ranier The Australian avante/slide guitarist was highly recommended to me by my dear friend Nat Grant (who was last year's favorite along with Julia Kotowskis' Entertainment for the Braindead) and I loved his set. He had a wonderful mixture of films (played to like old silent movie pit orchestras) and a sophisticated and fascinating mixture of classic and experimental styles of music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 24 22:47:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 042F6183475; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:47:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=2/mvID+9tm0p7QYCnncRbqPMRxqOylPOQ5fcs+dJOSY=; b=hzgwD4d/lXXHLeCITGwHShr2lL5VakacxGlayvlCEACiZouO/zK/xYTDRpQfRgHQYq XsxWsZ8RJnURH2UEdK8RLJlng7ZXN1eJFbGLL96E1SRqlEXqHQFQNWasIU7tkpCH0eDB JW69BOg+I6HzPVg16/2TXmKwJQ87jqITtdYq8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=kbkbnW2GJwC0df8xl6ZE3HoGX52QVgHtdsB1D9MuObEr0irPtrHS6cxxUEQsMUabRV K0pwc06ZIM9ujmv61GePmhiLx4XL1B7sN1Zhepn9qXWlpOoeIq1s/5Ao2H5a8BOt+JeF 0Ggj1+Qjui0/uAJA58gxKvX2jq7jpxjil+iEM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D1520CD.404@cruzio.com> References: <4D1520CD.404@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:47:30 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Musical discoveries of 2010 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Sylvain Poitras Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00221504878f7acc4604982fc53a Resent-Message-ID: <_gdFKD.A.srH.DMSFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:47:32 +0000 (UTC) --00221504878f7acc4604982fc53a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cool! Thanks Rick! I will get to work and check them out. Always appreciated. On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Rick Walker here. > this is my set for best musical discoveries of 2010: > > > Thomas Dybdahl Norwegian singer/songwriter: especially for one of the > loveliest songs I've ever heard, "Love > Story" > > Yeah Yeah Yeahs (I came late to them but really dig them now) > > Black Rebel Motorcycle Club (I had the distinct pleasure of jamming for a > long time > with leading songwriter, Peter Hayes at NAMM last year in the > Looperlative booth > and honestly didn't know who they were. It was really magical so I > looked him > up and now have all of their albums. The guy has this amazing > ability to > write the simplest song and it sound beautiful, heartfelt and , > refreshingly, > in the mode of original rock and roll. I'm a huge fan > > Trente Moller (I also came late to him) Danish abstract electronica > artist: wonderful! > > Mark Hollis (amazing melancholic singer for Talk Talk--been around for a > while but > I fell in love with his solo album this year) > > Fever Ray (the sister from the Swedish band, the Knife) Extremely > original and mysterious > incredible pagan videos on youtube. > > Brian Blades (known as an amazing jazz drummer and composer but he > released > a very beautiful and soulful singer/songwriter record this year > that's up there with anything) > called 'Mama Rosa' up there with all of my favorite > singer/songwriter records. > > Artists at Y2KX Loop Festival that I've never heard before and was floored > by: > > Daniel Berkman playing the Gravikord (electric Kora -19 string harp > from West Africa) > had a very nice newbie set and a fantastic CD that's been > on my 'turntable' > a lot this year. A beautiful mixture of the grace of > this instrument but > with a very hip/modern glitchy electronica sensibility. > Watch for this guy! > > Laurie Amat I've known of her but really got to hear her sing in her > newbie concert. > A really amazing and exceedingly creative and unique > singer. I really look > forward to working with her in the coming year > > Chris Ranier The Australian avante/slide guitarist was highly > recommended to me > by my dear friend Nat Grant (who was last year's > favorite along with Julia Kotowskis' > Entertainment for the Braindead) and I loved his set. > He had a wonderful > mixture of films (played to like old silent movie pit > orchestras) and a sophisticated > and fascinating mixture of classic and experimental > styles of music > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon --00221504878f7acc4604982fc53a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool! Thanks Rick! I will get to work and check them out. Always appreciate= d.

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Thomas Dybdahl =A0 =A0 =A0Norwegian singer/songwriter: especially for one o= f the
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0loveliest s= ongs I've ever heard, =A0 "Love Story"

Yeah Yeah Yeahs =A0 =A0(I came late to them but really dig them now)

Black Rebel Motorcycle Club =A0 (I had the distinct pleasure of jamming for= a long time
=A0 =A0 =A0 with leading songwriter, Peter Hayes at NAMM last year in the = Looperlative booth
=A0 =A0 =A0 and honestly didn't know who they were. =A0 It was really = magical so I looked him
=A0 =A0 =A0 up and now have all of their albums. =A0 The guy has this amaz= ing ability to
=A0 =A0 =A0 write the simplest song and it sound beautiful, heartfelt and = , refreshingly,
=A0 =A0 =A0 in the mode of original rock and roll. I'm a huge fan

Trente Moller =A0 (I also came late to him) =A0Danish abstract electronica = artist: =A0wonderful!

Mark Hollis =A0(amazing melancholic singer for Talk Talk--been around for a= while but
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I fell in love with his solo album this= year)

Fever Ray =A0 (the sister from the Swedish band, =A0 the Knife) Extremely o= riginal and mysterious
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0incredible pagan videos on youtube.

Brian Blades =A0(known as an amazing jazz drummer and composer but he relea= sed
=A0 =A0 =A0 a very beautiful and soulful singer/songwriter record this yea= r that's up there with anything)
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0called 'Mama Rosa' up there with al= l of my favorite singer/songwriter records.

Artists at Y2KX Loop Festival that I've never heard before and was floo= red by:

Daniel Berkman =A0 =A0 =A0playing the Gravikord (electric Kora -19 string h= arp from West Africa)
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 had a very nice newbie set and a fanta= stic CD that's been on my 'turntable'
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 a lot this year. =A0 =A0 A beautiful m= ixture of the grace of this instrument but
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0with a very hip/modern glitchy electron= ica sensibility. =A0Watch for this guy!

Laurie Amat =A0 =A0I've known of her but really got to hear her sing in= her newbie concert.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0A really amazing and exceedingl= y creative and unique singer. =A0I really look
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0forward to working with her in = the coming year

Chris Ranier =A0 =A0 The Australian avante/slide guitarist was highly recom= mended to me
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 by my dear friend Nat Grant (who w= as last year's favorite along with Julia Kotowskis'
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Entertainment for the Braindead= ) and I loved his set. =A0 He had a wonderful
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 mixture of films (played to like o= ld silent movie pit orchestras) and a sophisticated
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 and fascinating mixture of classic= and experimental styles of music




--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/artsimo= n
--00221504878f7acc4604982fc53a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 00:24:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 098EF183461; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 00:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Subject: Re: EDP loop capture From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <1DF7EAC9-AC8C-49D4-8557-98ADB1E3F639@1800dialword.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:24:04 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <294DE7A6-C1F0-4B9C-83AF-587173CC8F84@grubmah.com> References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> <4D13BA97.6050203@tiscali.co.uk> <2C90D5A8-A0DC-4050-96E2-1FC4E501570E@grubmah.com> <4D148E5F.6010904@tiscali.co.uk> <4D1508C3.8010904@tiscali.co.uk> <1DF7EAC9-AC8C-49D4-8557-98ADB1E3F639@1800dialword.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 00:24:07 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 24, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Andy Owens wrote: > I an noobie here, but why not just do all this on the LP1? I have my = novation work surface so I have eight faders for loop volume, have eight = pot style pan controls for panning, and eight pot style controls for = feedback. That still leaves me 24 switch buttons to tell the lp1 to do = whatever i want. What would tge edp in front gain? A different mode of working. Incidentally, I've got a Novation controlling the LP1. My experience is = that the useful range for the volume controls seems to be pretty = limited. Does that match with your experience as well? My guess is that = the LP1 interprets the volume control linearly when it should probably = treat it logarithmically (more or less). Or maybe I just haven't tweaked = the configuration on one end or the other appropriately? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 01:40:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73081183461; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 01:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=LmtMKtES43XpCvegHckA:9 a=L03rGRHK-xLDKiJoVsdvSa_gzsEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: <228440D9-108B-4D42-9DD1-B94A551BD87C@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <294DE7A6-C1F0-4B9C-83AF-587173CC8F84@grubmah.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: MERRY HAPPY ETC. Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:40:40 -0800 References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> <4D13BA97.6050203@tiscali.co.uk> <2C90D5A8-A0DC-4050-96E2-1FC4E501570E@grubmah.com> <4D148E5F.6010904@tiscali.co.uk> <4D1508C3.8010904@tiscali.co.uk> <1DF7EAC9-AC8C-49D4-8557-98ADB1E3F639@1800dialword.com> <294DE7A6-C1F0-4B9C-83AF-587173CC8F84@grubmah.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 01:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Merry Chrismas, Happy Festivus, Kool Kwanza and a Happy New Year (a week early) to everyone on the list. Peace, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 02:23:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42347183476; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 02:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 421324.95727.bm@omp1024.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293243831; bh=hh+o5btpPcY/iDXC2+ceSBRV0SlCM7/v0ECs2sQwD/Y=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dGIVa5Qz4mI2i6jaLX8DyyoKrMrSi4JktkKrMWSF1DiJO1u/hP87isfckQmnW2dh1zzVK1X3gqPesaKLll/y23UJcd96zFqbWLUMhYo4A/1hEW6SvYD2hPx6014x7uWS3nSv3rh6WZ02GoAHa66H8ctecsPdzAgdXlnhL0OiDOU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yIrXuclrsVt4M/WvcKai0Vz6vuj8gh29DuWkztijD2Uy9JITOSIkseTtOhvcLI6CVOLFjxbi9UrfgMKJkqPiUvhj4WSUsQKb/p2/BLb2CPoZq+EtzcWxYstd4uW7MKbRcvgtOv9xBwrv0jGCKZWCXo20M8PfPt3z2d1/qbxbPT4=; Message-ID: <164355.85466.qm@web45904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 92bRcV4VM1lzesGmMlQBSFuBOiEcyHuvW5.KWF6HJ8wSwyx uSWFEbm3ZFcswve2cUYhkZdhAqwXr06BxroZ_xUGB_c2fQf2ABwXBfRbvB2E c.j3sVVkfYmI4st3lLtSwvbksJ.ni0lAcZTS2ofh3kQClbCAu8vA9gB2HgcM _yR2.cMShiXbxrd2taSQwOLnu3O3jy_nTFohwauOf2EbgTVcYO3Prw.f.cnz 2jIsB4xyL7lbat5lQHL2wlQMkup76k4xTWT4whdcoUyrICg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <4D1404F7.9030108@gmail.com> <4D1483CB.6030608@cruzio.com> <4D150B28.8040101@gmail.com> <009e01cba3b6$eb362280$6400a8c0@vulcan> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:23:51 -0800 (PST) From: E Gross Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009e01cba3b6$eb362280$6400a8c0@vulcan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-644552099-1293243831=:85466" Resent-Message-ID: <3j0I9B.A.LMF.4WVFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 02:23:52 +0000 (UTC) --0-644552099-1293243831=:85466 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yes, due to the fact that a long cable has a high resistance, it would be necessary to boost the input signal in order to obtain some very small signal at the far end. That is why repeaters are used on undersea cables, each section is amplified before sending into the next section. hmmm, I don't know much about optics, but it would be cool to build a box which takes the audio signal, converts to optical, then bounces off of two mirrors set x distance apart, when the number of bounces equals the distance you want, send the signal to the output. Voila, an Opto - Delay! This would also probably be the most expensive delay known to man, since it would require precise laser-optic type mirrors and a laser. Eric ________________________________ From: d.nix To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 5:07:10 PM Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? miles of wire (or however many thousands of feet) will already be the equavalent of a large resistor... most large power resistors are in fact coils of wire inside a cement substrate. So you will indeed be 'impeding' the signal. Here is a chart that may shed some light: http://www.cirris.com/testing/resistance/wire.html > Qua mentioned resistors (dig that whistlers link, never heard of that!). > Would resistors in the path actually slow down the signal in an > appreciable way? What would happen to audio that was passed through > dozens of resistors? Asking as an electronics numbnut here (which should > be apparent already...). > --0-644552099-1293243831=:85466 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
yes, due to the fact that a long cable has a high resistance, it would be necessary to boost the input signal in order to obtain some very small signal at the far end. That is why repeaters are used on undersea cables, each section is amplified before sending into the next section.

hmmm, I don't know much about optics, but it would be cool to build a box which takes the audio signal, converts to optical, then bounces off of two mirrors set x distance apart, when the number of bounces equals the distance you want, send the signal to the output. Voila, an Opto - Delay! This would also probably be the most expensive delay known to man, since it would require precise laser-optic type mirrors and a laser.

Eric

From: d.nix <d.nix@comcast.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 5:07:10 PM
Subject: Re: EME moonbounce?

miles of wire (or however many thousands of feet) will already be the
equavalent of a large resistor... most large power resistors are in fact
coils of wire inside a cement substrate.

So you will indeed be 'impeding' the signal. Here is a chart that may shed
some light:

http://www.cirris.com/testing/resistance/wire.html

> Qua mentioned resistors (dig that whistlers link, never heard of that!).
> Would resistors in the path actually slow down the signal in an
> appreciable way? What would happen to audio that was passed through
> dozens of resistors? Asking as an electronics numbnut here (which should
> be apparent already...).
>


--0-644552099-1293243831=:85466-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 03:16:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A8CB183475; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 03:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <228440D9-108B-4D42-9DD1-B94A551BD87C@charter.net> References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> <4D13BA97.6050203@tiscali.co.uk> <2C90D5A8-A0DC-4050-96E2-1FC4E501570E@grubmah.com> <4D148E5F.6010904@tiscali.co.uk> <4D1508C3.8010904@tiscali.co.uk> <1DF7EAC9-AC8C-49D4-8557-98ADB1E3F639@1800dialword.com> <294DE7A6-C1F0-4B9C-83AF-587173CC8F84@grubmah.com> <228440D9-108B-4D42-9DD1-B94A551BD87C@charter.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--740334946 Message-Id: <4A62E34B-79F2-4FA4-BC82-811FAD504288@ubergadget.com> From: Revfever Subject: Re: MERRY HAPPY ETC. Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 19:16:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=6.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RDNS_NONE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on obf2.tritico.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 03:16:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--740334946 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Also, Yule, Chanukah, Eid al-Adha (Muslim Winter Feast of the =20 Sacrifice), Yalda (Persian Winter festival), Pancha Ganapati (the =20 Hindu version) and of course....Saturnalia and also the very ancient =20= Greek Winter Festival and the Mesopotamian Winter Carnival which =20 featured mummers-style parades with floats carrying glorious scenes =20 of Sex among the Gods. All three of these celebrations preceded in time the others mentioned =20= above. Also, the Greek Winter Festival honored another populist Son of God =20 with a human mother, who worked miracles, was associated with wine, =20 and was miraculously resurrected after death. (sound familiar?) His =20 name was Dionysus. The Mesopotamian Winter Carnaval featured mummers-=20 style parades with floats carrying glorious scenes of sex among the =20 Gods. Oh yeah! Party DOWN! While ya STILL CAN! :-) As the days now =20 begin to grow longer.... Ginger Snaps and hot apple cider, Rev.Fever Portland,OR http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever On Dec 24, 2010, at 5:40 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > Merry Chrismas, Happy Festivus, Kool Kwanza and a Happy New Year (a =20= > week early) to everyone on the list. > > Peace, > > Ted > --Apple-Mail-1--740334946 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Also, Yule, Chanukah,  Eid al-Adha (Muslim Winter = Feast of the Sacrifice), Yalda (Persian Winter festival), Pancha = Ganapati (the Hindu version) and of = course....Saturnalia and also the very ancient  Greek Winter = Festival and the Mesopotamian Winter Carnival which featured = mummers-style parades with floats carrying glorious scenes of Sex among = the Gods.  
All three of = these celebrations preceded in time the others mentioned = above. 
Also, the Greek Winter = Festival honored another populist Son of God with a human mother, who = worked miracles, was associated with wine, and was miraculously = resurrected after death. (sound familiar?) His name was Dionysus. = The Mesopotamian Winter Carnaval featured mummers-style parades with = floats carrying glorious scenes of sex among the = Gods. 
Oh yeah!  Party DOWN! =  While ya STILL CAN!  :-)  As the days now begin to grow = longer....
Ginger Snaps and hot apple = cider,
Merry Chrismas, Happy Festivus, = Kool Kwanza and a Happy New Year (a week early) to everyone on the = list.

Peace,

Ted


= --Apple-Mail-1--740334946-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 06:13:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A003183476; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 06:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:mime-version :content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to:references:message-id :x-mailer; bh=9Lhm6UtC/IkfbJoqPzIFlM7NhF4Ate6CvmzLYzWdWTY=; b=WAaEe/e26Z34fqTqtjHdwdPrNPi9YX4volYba0fbIn4koEw/Bn7vIZIp6FD3CoHBLW WhL/Pn+/Qq67IEYjFvK1NzZk/lelLH58eCJDtLoh8LYbQZBhgj3jABe64xV/LDosUbQu dPrZe7Zx7SO2ISqipyz2RXb8TN44B1ew/F1hc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; b=DqxKOYtVO2YgHQ7FfDj0MsZ9RyxN+lJjInH9F+oKOJc5W9mSLUbIFt6W+owyseYosa /7ncQ8amMB191wbg3Ba4CxkzfbhIhCHphg1T16JAN5Mxnxvaq5KHToLiu8Ie0KQ/MOhm 37xCdMyZPv44NbUJFexnPVvpXiVzy4skl/6A0= From: Christopher Darrow Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--729462738 Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:17:13 -0800 In-Reply-To: <3672138C-D5CC-47F1-82EB-360887776B6F@trufun.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> <3672138C-D5CC-47F1-82EB-360887776B6F@trufun.com> Message-Id: <45C49D73-BB9E-4148-AC69-274A5577828D@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: <1OBY1C.A.4RD.5tYFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 06:13:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--729462738 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been meaning to buy some ninja shoes to try ever since I got the = SoftStep but haven't had the spare money to do it yet.=20 I can report back once I do if there's an interest but here are some = options: http://www.martialartsupply.com/review/product/list/id/13/ http://www.amazon.com/Zemgear-Ninja-Low/dp/B003WKVH02/ref=3Dpd_sbs_shoe_1 = http://www.sakuramartialarts.com/Martial_Arts_Clothing_Shoes_Ninja_Tabi_Bo= ots_Short_p/CLO-2203-A1.htm&click=3D1 On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:59 AM, David Gans wrote: >=20 >=20 > My wife bought me a pair of Vibram running shoes with the individual = toes. They're pretty good. I still prefer my stockin' feet whenever = possible, but for outdoor gigs these will do. >=20 >=20 > On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Andy Owens wrote: >=20 >> What are the best looping shoes????? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com > Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1--729462738 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii http:/= /www.martialartsupply.com/review/product/list/id/13/







My wife bought me a pair of Vibram running = shoes with the individual toes.  They're pretty good.  I still = prefer my stockin' feet whenever possible, but for outdoor gigs these = will do.


On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Andy Owens = wrote:

What are the best looping = shoes?????





David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
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Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans





= --Apple-Mail-1--729462738-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 08:33:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8121A183461; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 08:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Message-ID:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6eXPZXrA+auTHfC6rPnhKXl+xoXOgvOEk0Kt3oKYAVH4F5U5ShpLTb1Uqcxla26cezfQjQ+GPNXqV/VfAnBMlj0IRGsG5QPUiKPMWcNoX3dqzlutUTUnv4gzej0ZFDvckP8xUTKXjL4JaXZi4yFKaNzy0KmjsSiJ1+Gyuys85zo= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293266031; bh=F6WGhV0HawTu7GnAqWWFmV1/07NiKomgYUKjw8rdDDA=; h=Message-ID:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pl4nfXq+/2a8rUnNurZe4kR4ahr74k9S56ILwNX4Ia5hn7xyKnG4f4iojAs2f6Yt2TIMdqDlx5PZkq00oT+alEA3tUjg8l+0e8Rby9oAFCZhT9XDQc+IXA9FnVGF6RlpxR7WllCx6PVuoIc0lGh0yyLu0q8f8a1oQPOZdw51mFw= Message-ID: <112457.47423.qm@smtp115-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-SMTP: yRBEy4.swBCKSazU852c19FMfIqgzJ9luWs- X-YMail-OSG: FJZ0eB4VM1lxRgnLtn5swRIzXzk3TuYDoW_Yph7t9DOM4mb xvpnEUYP4wnco92LYj0vT10haC2ATSLsDPUml3wlTOUOBP3B657iCxgyBkBC F57IFoOx.FfdClnXZGcwxVPuS7dZ6I46ThaLAXJ84n7RnW0.8K3RmZNx3Lfb ZnxWBNbqJZDYLQW1Ns1F9koTIKBH2qmo3SLvxj7NlBknFN87h044EJZbMJby nBD8djoAE0XFIS3WwcmrpubYO2_33j5DXoZNolgQhrKJMknUQZDW14G.XrnY rKGjR.z2h4byIhVjp8Ht281r0VtxHp1p.SH13LhlAudi1UsK_q29T.mgArhF W45z5dtCjv5MOPPlSMkzWgnwHvzgKU_wkeCoIy6ct_Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 08:33:47 +0000 Subject: Re: OT: Musical discoveries of 2010 From: "Steve Uccello" Reply-To: "Steve Uccello" To: "Sylvain Poitras" , "Rick Walker" Cc: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 08:33:52 +0000 (UTC) My favorite musical discovies of 2010: bassist/composer from Poland: Vitold= Rek and another bassist, Roman Patkolo-a canadian group called The Creakin= g Tree String Quartet, also ambient artist Cody Davis from Seattle. = Y2KX artists: David Cooper Orton & Randolf A's sets blew me away= and I've really been digging Chinapaintings' & Per Boysen's music-all awes= ome stuff! it's an honor to be part of such a cool community! thanks to yo= u all for everything and happy holidays from California! Steve Uccello = www.steveuccello.com ------Original Message------ From: Rick Walker To: "Sylvain Poitras" Cc: Date: Fri, Dec 24, 2:38 PM -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Musical discoveries of 2010 Rick Walker here. this is my set for best musical discoveries of 2010: Thomas Dybdahl Norwegian singer/songwriter: especially for one of the loveliest songs I've ever heard, =20 "Love Story" Yeah Yeah Yeahs (I came late to them but really dig them now) Black Rebel Motorcycle Club (I had the distinct pleasure of jamming=20 for a long time with leading songwriter, Peter Hayes at NAMM last year in the=20 Looperlative booth and honestly didn't know who they were. It was really magical=20 so I looked him up and now have all of their albums. The guy has this amazing=20 ability to write the simplest song and it sound beautiful, heartfelt and ,=20 refreshingly, in the mode of original rock and roll. I'm a huge fan Trente Moller (I also came late to him) Danish abstract electronica=20 artist: wonderful! Mark Hollis (amazing melancholic singer for Talk Talk--been around for=20 a while but I fell in love with his solo album this year) Fever Ray (the sister from the Swedish band, the Knife) Extremely=20 original and mysterious incredible pagan videos on youtube. Brian Blades (known as an amazing jazz drummer and composer but he=20 released a very beautiful and soulful singer/songwriter record this year=20 that's up there with anything) called 'Mama Rosa' up there with all of my favorite=20 singer/songwriter records. Artists at Y2KX Loop Festival that I've never heard before and was=20 floored by: Daniel Berkman playing the Gravikord (electric Kora -19 string harp=20 from West Africa) had a very nice newbie set and a fantastic CD that's=20 been on my 'turntable' a lot this year. A beautiful mixture of the=20 grace of this instrument but with a very hip/modern glitchy electronica=20 sensibility. Watch for this guy! Laurie Amat I've known of her but really got to hear her sing in her=20 newbie concert. A really amazing and exceedingly creative and=20 unique singer. I really look forward to working with her in the coming year Chris Ranier The Australian avante/slide guitarist was highly=20 recommended to me by my dear friend Nat Grant (who was last year's=20 favorite along with Julia Kotowskis' Entertainment for the Braindead) and I loved his=20 set. He had a wonderful mixture of films (played to like old silent movie=20 pit orchestras) and a sophisticated and fascinating mixture of classic and=20 experimental styles of music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 09:19:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE322183479; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 551130473/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.176.195/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.176.195 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArABANNFFU1V0rDD/2dsb2JhbAAMlgrMZoVKBI4V X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,227,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="551130473" Message-ID: <4D15B752.5000902@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:20:18 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP loop capture References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> <4D13BA97.6050203@tiscali.co.uk> <2C90D5A8-A0DC-4050-96E2-1FC4E501570E@grubmah.com> <4D148E5F.6010904@tiscali.co.uk> <4D1508C3.8010904@tiscali.co.uk> <1DF7EAC9-AC8C-49D4-8557-98ADB1E3F639@1800dialword.com> <294DE7A6-C1F0-4B9C-83AF-587173CC8F84@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: <294DE7A6-C1F0-4B9C-83AF-587173CC8F84@grubmah.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Mark Hamburg wrote: > Incidentally, I've got a Novation controlling the LP1. Coincidently, I've also tried that. 8 programmable knobs used as one for each track. Volume and Pan > My experience is that the useful range for the volume controls seems to be pretty limited. Does that match with your experience as well? My guess is that the LP1 interprets the volume control linearly when it should probably treat it logarithmically (more or less). Or maybe I just haven't tweaked the configuration on one end or the other appropriately? It actually *is* logarithmic. ...but in the range 0..127 over half the range is effectively inaudible. In practise, where you have a mix of sounds the simple answer of making volume control linear works really well. As a workaround, there's a parameter to set: Menu>Volume Minimum putting that at 60 makes things more usable. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 09:37:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFBD518347B; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gNfcHLva9VUeSpj0N8PNnUbS2c1M3dRLrngMphz66kU=; b=wGcqOyAVCfhyRudxiuBRX88LmB2Nj1yr8Gq+hE5lYUtBx7wlVZX+ONS2fAY/naMIqh foNr0hgfQyO21v2Knya14SejQ6TWwdoAyTbFJ6jlDdlah0C5LxPhbLmyhtuz3r8HfrjW cNYLk2lNSPiWbxbFCa721euUy7cYF96gfJuNE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=M0/HDYzComqwouC7CKd8iHDjGHLoCl7uZu35BeNn/lU3XvnRyohZY5MVg1V2trUBLK GWNyOfTOiRjBkBAKJLKmf5t8/cXZ7noFw1ObafSci738hhX1grlRkp1Lj8nMoROoOjPV 7KMpAwZvHZgrAMywqmRoV9wr3pmTnojaXPluM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 10:37:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Moinlabs Christmas Gift From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Hey everyone, my christmas gift to the internet community (which, for me, mainly is you): http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=287 The entire set of piano solo recordings from this year's MoinSound Studio Sessions will be available for free streaming until end of the year! There's lots of looping in it - strangely though, I like the tracks where I used no processing the best (Apirl 24th and October 11th). Enjoy! Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 09:54:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13435183479; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 928062.92742.bm@omp1009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=R/Jw6L0AcvYjNt7BTP+/burtYJUlic0TBCcuS2e5YEP3xFAaM4pDAEYUQ4jJ76BsneE0soegLxOPVWWnX7sbHzX/LV3JePkm5xXt855oKuv9+YUnKR5mAia7HQ5IvjbuYPiQrboj6UGZfOYgGPJUYAcM+9StwgcU/FjTcm1OSsw= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1293270869; bh=SBV/JWCYCtK0hoOJV8W0El25KRxR2FYQkPFce0dBgyg=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=IOY3u/wc2+nv6ivH1sFtsn1U4UCZShF60yoqOYtEgbCU6EBZgYRFzjL8LNY8YLyvRKWE2vvgQPbMaN3bgJXutxkdrOsdfo65N7YnHy07JnWHyG/lN8qx4NiOzih8Ia/qEk6n6WObeRf+Q8EIngET5NJoHfdoiEWUvPHYafhFTjY= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: zZ.1PY4VM1msBB0vn6vsMPlqO7mSyE.mcFWW2HqBUb8QyPt nax2qu4tkj7IHrDrHn89Z25KAFGJSKcPGUwR7BSCucDbpfGAPJH0D5TsqNaN fvQADupHe2blc._bBXYJLHk9WzSJv8BDab7f8lARnrR080dvmOc6Hs_4ea85 k1QvVnV9AX_NgkwpUYaYgCBSE7CoWMb4q3YMCbDdtfUVC1wudzG0GUWPXPLo pRqHZV78QYT.dgtrdjdUbfmKU_qvXTtVsF7f.ieFgFjVR8ssDjECLOZ_iAuq nST8uXTbfoEczhzYNS.E- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-33--716441265 Message-Id: <93755215-11A1-45E5-BF0A-66B5E4C10510@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: OT: Moinlabs Christmas Gift Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:54:14 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:54:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-33--716441265 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks Rainer - merry christmas guys - this has been a weird year for me - messed up my back lost my day job accidently became a pro musician and all that - this list is a constant source of inspiration. Merry christmas Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 25 Dec 2010, at 09:37, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Hey everyone, > > my christmas gift to the internet community (which, for me, mainly > is you): > http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=287 > > The entire set of piano solo recordings from this year's MoinSound > Studio Sessions will be available for free streaming until end of the > year! > > There's lots of looping in it - strangely though, I like the tracks > where I used no processing the best (Apirl 24th and October 11th). > > Enjoy! > > Rainer > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > --Apple-Mail-33--716441265 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Thanks Rainer - merry christmas guys - this has been a weird year for me = - messed up my back lost my day job accidently became a pro musician and = all that - this list is a constant source of = inspiration.

Merry christmas


On 25 Dec 2010, = at 09:37, Rainer Straschill wrote:

Hey everyone,

my christmas gift to the = internet community (which, for me, mainly is you):

The entire set of piano solo recordings from this = year's MoinSound
Studio Sessions will be = available for free streaming until end of the
year!

There's lots of looping in it - = strangely though, I like the tracks
where I used = no processing the best (Apirl 24th and October 11th).


    =           Rainer

-- 
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs
=

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= --Apple-Mail-33--716441265-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 10:19:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C96E7183473; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 10:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Flpusv3jR062pf64IwZg86IG3dsSNvTMUnBiv/gU0zw=; b=XvfLpKF7OLi5lS6oE77QA4TgCoHdgsdB4PUyx6NAwmEYatBQzEFMY34bjU7DwYYbMa fHnA7REyHRp4Sw6RmK9y5ZAS+jZMxBHQu4zbX9ea2s4rDbo21qHGGnF7wLOBB16+d7BD EUtpm1Cjjd678cVihKuQXqLO5Nr80I89Jn9RY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=GjtOn5qEZoXYNYoBF1xh/SYMV+d5MJxgWDtWUtem5Tvf1AR2VW/zz524G2GtVaVzMf iCZu8WUvweq0iP9QdG6WXlMoK1Kpv7uO67O6VBXtPH+dJ8R0PJW/ULXuzHqZ/nYZtqC8 ye8AZ+BDIZoqKqBP0W4O3mkOrmKPAQIWR49os= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 11:19:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: New software multi effect plugin, PSP N20 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 10:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi, A new toy for laptop aided musicians got released yesterday by the good guys at PSP in Poland. I just downloaded the 14 days fully working demo and watched all video tutorials and I must say this looks very interesting for musicians that like the type of programming you can do with boxes like the Eventide Eclipse or TC Electronics FireworX. It typically bases the processing on the signal chain concept where modulators and operators may be inserted and controlled by pedals and stuff or internal stuff like LFO, Step Sequencer, gain envelope etc. A great feature (that I'm missing from the FireworX in today's Mainstage) is that part the signal can be routed back into an earlier stage of the same chain; ie a feedback loop. If running such a feedback loop through a harmonizer you typically get those classic wishy-washy eventide-ishy crystal sweeps. There is also a dual channel step sequencer that can be used as modulator (for anything like pitch, filter, reverb send or whatever you like...). Input gain can also be used as an envelope for modulation, which is neat for all musicians that play in real-time and want to program sounds that follow your playing in a musical way. Scaling of control data is something I like very much in Mainstage and at first sight I was afraid that the N20 doesn't support that well, but then I found out that you can insert a "gain operator" and assign it to follow the same control as other effects of the patch, but with its own value for "depth" (how much it will affect the patch). It seems though that a graph is supported but not a curve, but I may be wrong here (gotta noodle around with it more to find out) I can't comment on fidelity right now, because I'm not at my studio monitors, having to use headphones. But in the past I have been using the PSP Nitro at concerts and found it excellent sounding. The N20 seems to be a Here's an old teaser video from Namm 1010 that shows most of the goodies in a general way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQAlMa1_4Yk And here's a page with ten detailed tutorial videos: http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/multimode_effects/psp_n2o/psp_n2o_video/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 14:01:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC1E518347A; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=DBcpHzgvTaV/5xmI0QBlmf54GBpyiQNVKRmdrWdD5d0=; b=hH81es0Bkn/eZsgnIlj5UvMohBWOFTwLmF0G/JUqTxPS6AgsIhGgd0X4my5pUdl765 jKZAAk8LqvuUjLwXOvyC7zszKom8zerjI7wJonJVxdjT7dTBwmpsKXQZv39leD+qJ5g5 koKwjRXLWvvOQJpw0hQO4K44n++TgrcQ3LRdc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=B9d/9OsqG0zQU2pML9FwWoBW1mImiRy2+TmVb6VE5++fD/SzNEedVzogF8aEO919or wGHf53pNV/m7Ak0lU57qDHf67QchT6XjFNp3A+VSaxd8kNJNpnYcB9esxodfzTq4jTBR 0M/R/mbORYNa1rnPbxWPTvh+XkpnscsynyA3E= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: todd reynolds Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:00:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New software multi effect plugin, PSP N20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a4c547f94704983c8886 Resent-Message-ID: <3RtmPD.A.YYB.ckfFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:01:00 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a4c547f94704983c8886 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 thanks for the thorough review Per. I was looking closely at this as I was a PSP nitro user, and your comments capture my attention much more than their description! I have the same problem understanding why to upgrade to the PSP 85. Do you use that as well? Whatever holidays you celebrate, I wish you happy ones. All the best, Todd On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > A new toy for laptop aided musicians got released yesterday by the > good guys at PSP in Poland. I just downloaded the 14 days fully > working demo and watched all video tutorials and I must say this looks > very interesting for musicians that like the type of programming you > can do with boxes like the Eventide Eclipse or TC Electronics > FireworX. > > --20cf3054a4c547f94704983c8886 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for the thorough review Per. =A0I was looking closely at this as I w= as a PSP nitro user, and your comments capture my attention much more than = their description!

I have the same problem understanding= why to upgrade to the PSP 85. =A0Do you use that as well?

Whatever holidays you celebrate, I wish you happy ones.= =A0

All the best,=A0

Tod= d

On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Per Bo= ysen <perboysen= @gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

A new toy for laptop aided musicians got released yesterday by the
good guys at PSP in Poland. I just downloaded the 14 days fully
working demo and watched all video tutorials and I must say this looks
very interesting for musicians that like the type of programming you
can do with boxes like the Eventide Eclipse or TC Electronics
FireworX.


--20cf3054a4c547f94704983c8886-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 15:06:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0175183461; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 15:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 280573069/mk-outboundfilter-6.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-nildram-customers/62.3.238.4/None/nick@1957.me.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.3.238.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@1957.me.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArABAJ+XFU0+A+4E/2dsb2JhbAAMlgrMWIVKBIsEgxE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,228,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="280573069" X-IP-Direction: IN From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 13:06:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: EDP videos? Reply-to: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4D15EC40.7827.B0CC9E@nick.1957.me.uk> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 15:06:07 +0000 (UTC) I'm the proud owner of an EDP with loop IV. I'm wading through the manual, but am slightly surprised to find no tutorial videos out there. Has anyone made any? I'm learning through trial and (many) errors and it's frustrating to hear audio files demonstrating features I can't figure out... All the best, Nick Robinson music site : http://www.looping.me.uk myspace site : http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 15:12:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A286A183475; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 15:12:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:content-type:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :references:to:x-mailer; bh=SwxJ/AvdpgTCPeOVVJkOHVTnC0joOTvQFWd8q/lbP3w=; b=huOeS9xc0S3ZAC6S7UdaKrZtrQM5FLIEMSPgDy0L2Ox+EYr8koVKR+j98/IGdZ7Ip/ 9soqwi7CZpo5kNAGFmTh8Pa8KaL8KWE+lPaEU2W0X8ToWediHYsGNL6/tJ22X+uA0O7f wA2L4Oiv+PFmNP5Yu+mB0cHAXXtxwu1A/yias= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=EvBE3Zau47flcX7IZgq8qd/y/cXtXoJ9Ra/FeEPQgaSvnNt3uZjJ2LjBHUe0zzVGSg RwJ59p3OaXC9hEqg/LdKSyDlYuIk6BRY6djlhlzr4WDYPQnkZMakbbR5rTpX8oJCgVo0 SXIR5Ts/hziulW1ml3FYA8IrubOjUdVqkT3Hs= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Subject: Re: EDP videos? From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <4D15EC40.7827.B0CC9E@nick.1957.me.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:11:57 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <4D15EC40.7827.B0CC9E@nick.1957.me.uk> To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 15:12:34 +0000 (UTC) its a shame really. we always talked about it and made plans for big projects instead of just point a camera and do it but on http://youtube.com/livelooping - ~Musicians explaining... you can find several basic ones have fun Matthias On 25 Dec 2010, at 10:06, nick@12testing.net wrote: > I'm the proud owner of an EDP with loop IV. I'm wading through the > manual, but am slightly surprised to find no tutorial videos out > there. Has anyone made any? I'm learning through trial and (many) > errors and it's frustrating to hear audio files demonstrating > features I can't figure out... > > > > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > music site : http://www.looping.me.uk > myspace site : http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops > looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 16:55:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2ABE6183476; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 16:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=fxxLof8d/fucNPM+DgCwUEogECMufHL7Ce4u5758p7o=; b=Pw7cQpIS51AvA3smieyZfTkC5xqcmtJoTiVVDuGKr7f6l/xDLw+tKG4lCnufJ9rYDE IecXpV7pmKDEwG/msmrxgh3+6NVr3lGXaC4hRwbM7+5LGQPLZ2jzkZBS8ZezNsV11unP YAN/9n8DjOYf2qncuO64V3nJnwZQwRjCxYKhE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=xls+XgcAm8Al3XHAs8nqu2xPyY5gmQNfYl7/ZrdpsEEh0oBUxRNsEHJ2zoStjCsIYc crgAHEbKVzoWye9yq6bcMlqyp5BU1tCfgZcR6A0XGbxe9jVF9u5yTtNlIiYhCx9haobP aLZAKjq0JM3Ztzo42GOCt2RiNFTOla1Qbp9D4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4D15EC40.7827.B0CC9E@nick.1957.me.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 17:55:23 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hpGHPrebOkQvyc6QjE167Kb-0ks Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP videos? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8ef08ac27904983ef916 Resent-Message-ID: <6hXow.A.6lF.VIiFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 16:55:49 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8ef08ac27904983ef916 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I understand and remember your frustration Nick, but the best way to get on top of your EDP is to try a limited few things at first, then dive back into the manual and try a few more... Ive been looping with an EDP for 9 years now, and I still have never used... expert mode... stutter mode... sampler mode... and lots more... basically, relax, accept that you're in for a long haul... OH... and if there something you have heard on a file... post a link to it here and ask, surely many people can help you get that one effect you are hearing... For really complex stuff, you can look for Andre le Fosses website, I think he still has a section where he describes in detail what going on in some tracks he has posted there... Thats what I used mostly.. listened till I heard something I wanted, then de-cyphered his instructions... As Matthias said... have fun! (im sure you will) Mark On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > its a shame really. we always talked about it and made plans for big > projects > instead of just point a camera and do it > but on > http://youtube.com/livelooping - ~Musicians explaining... > you can find several basic ones > > have fun > Matthias > > On 25 Dec 2010, at 10:06, nick@12testing.net wrote: > > > I'm the proud owner of an EDP with loop IV. I'm wading through the > > manual, but am slightly surprised to find no tutorial videos out > > there. Has anyone made any? I'm learning through trial and (many) > > errors and it's frustrating to hear audio files demonstrating > > features I can't figure out... > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > Nick Robinson > > > > music site : http://www.looping.me.uk > > myspace site : http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops > > looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com > > > > > > > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8ef08ac27904983ef916 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I understand and remember your frustration Nick, but the best way to get on= top of your EDP is to try a limited few things at first, then dive back in= to the manual and try a few more... Ive been looping with an EDP for 9 year= s now, and I still have never used...=A0 expert mode... stutter mode... sam= pler mode... and lots more...

basically, relax, accept that you're in for a long haul... OH... an= d if there something you have heard on a file... post a link to it here and= ask, surely many people can help you get that one effect you are hearing..= .

For really complex stuff, you can look for Andre le Fosses website, I t= hink he still has a section where he describes in detail what going on in s= ome tracks he has posted there... Thats what I used mostly.. listened till = I heard something I wanted, then de-cyphered his instructions...

As Matthias said...

have fun! (im sure you will)

Mark
On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Matthias G= rob <matilists@= gmail.com> wrote:
its a shame reall= y. we always talked about it and made plans for big projects
instead of just point a camera and do it
but on
http://youtube= .com/livelooping - ~Musicians explaining...
you can find several basic ones

have fun
Matthias

On 25 Dec 2010, at 10:06, nick@12test= ing.net wrote:

> I'm the proud owner of an EDP with loop IV. I'm wading through= the
> manual, but am slightly surprised to find no tutorial videos out
> there. Has anyone made any? I'm learning through trial and (many)<= br> > errors and it's frustrating to hear audio files demonstrating
> features I can't figure out...
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>
> music site : =A0http://www.looping.me.uk
> myspace site : =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops=
> looping forum : =A0 =A0 =A0 http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com
>
>
>




--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e8ef08ac27904983ef916-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 19:14:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 981F8183476; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 19:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MsS1cUOswpFwc7NSK75/AsKXYTLixSz0RvBX1GxTkgk=; b=iKdLOl8RQ5kHrudT+Hy/dcggJxS0KiPPw4V5oyeqjA9qHmkofvQsZWtXaIRBOjYxus 9cR0umrZ8285uZBxZ98Xe+Mj2/a5J+gSi5gI1sWmzXTz5WgYiYwDphfDddGtGM4f5P28 KsaME9yZexzzTGI8Didrsu6uMdthW3JvGdq38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZVadIupyoTmnkYsfzVOKwaqi7R3zChAcUStxuJXQ1SkjkLx1U3HrCmdSYhLa2QPW7N /9bIAH6iWRJtVOayeNjKpkI8Tq1sI5suyuA1dQIdFZtmL3CklB4d1ws/epFLJzAP3Dym KFBrIjCbPxe4NuJMwGJbt9eKYoIYHfqHRZrWA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 20:14:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New software multi effect plugin, PSP N20 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 19:14:46 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 3:00 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > > I have the same problem understanding why to upgrade to the PSP 85. =C2= =A0Do you > use that as well? I once liked the PSP84 back when it was new, because back then not many developers produced multi effect plugins that combine LFO synced filters with delay lines (OhmBoyz being another early alternative). But today when compared to the N2O the 84/85 comes out as just peanuts. I don't like using 84/85 because they tax the CPU so hard on my Macbook. In the N2O they seem to have made good use of SEE optimization which give us users a lot of effect processing power on a Intel CPU box. After playing around with the N2O for some hours I still think the closest comparison is the hardware boxes Eclipse and FireworX. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 19:42:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 747E4183475; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 19:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Hzc7IlDiCV8eEhYrPWJO7w)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012250065 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-25_07:2010-12-25,2010-12-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <348224F0-3C62-4163-BFF2-6376C216FEA5@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers Delight Subject: lots of good info Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:42:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <5qhjXC.A.i7B.ykkFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 19:42:42 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_Hzc7IlDiCV8eEhYrPWJO7w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Journey to the Heart of Music --Boundary_(ID_Hzc7IlDiCV8eEhYrPWJO7w) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Journey to the Heart of Music --Boundary_(ID_Hzc7IlDiCV8eEhYrPWJO7w)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 19:49:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E26E18347A; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 19:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D164AB4.2090702@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 11:49:08 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer Straschill CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Moinlabs Christmas Gift References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6WzQzB.A.ZIC.QrkFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 19:49:36 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Hey everyone, > > my christmas gift to the internet community (which, for me, mainly is you): > http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=287 > > The entire set of piano solo recordings from this year's MoinSound > Studio Sessions will be available for free streaming until end of the > year! > > There's lots of looping in it - strangely though, I like the tracks > where I used no processing the best (Apirl 24th and October 11th). > > Enjoy! > > Rainer > Thanks for the gift, Rainer, Merry Christmas to you! By the way, I can't find the tracks you mentioned (without processing) from October 11th. Your dates seem to skip that date unless I'm missing something. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 19:57:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07151183476; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 19:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jAJ1QBQVWFfFq1xhJ57/42DFjfkpMgqh7yW5RkHrKTY=; b=GFDx/rp3Z88YDBSKSRcHgh+nsSr4zEyrYPVF6VYwG3P7IZSLTBrNd6t9vVbiBuqwZR YfS0go2p5AJeMxH0F0QW/sHDps7098O7qxHnItCA9dOLvVZkDGANpeTA8g3mW91Zjd4R v+24iSF01H3aKN66hG7tmkPQ/a96Vm2lWdeI8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Ddj/k1XWAR75kl9a64hFSRAyxA0zIsbUSq/p3SqhcCcAbLofXTBAKAEm6Lco6DEnoS Bn2iXT/Qw2zO/v+qv3lyr1HF1YQ+V9e6vJP1YAiwfrzQMgTgz3oYf0kruDe/eJ0e+rGg c65Py2c7aHms9T+hkjF3/nhLi+CqBQQW/ulgo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <348224F0-3C62-4163-BFF2-6376C216FEA5@mac.com> References: <348224F0-3C62-4163-BFF2-6376C216FEA5@mac.com> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:57:48 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: lots of good info From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <6R35xB.A.pXC.8ykFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 19:57:49 +0000 (UTC) It is no coincidence that Pythogoras spoke of both "cord" and "chord"...interesting reading. Best, ~~D. http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Journey to the Heart of Music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 20:29:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26493183476; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 20:29:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Subject: Re: EDP loop capture From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <4D15B752.5000902@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:28:58 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> <847C2C3C-69B1-4036-A59B-40C5D22A5FCF@grubmah.com> <4D13BA97.6050203@tiscali.co.uk> <2C90D5A8-A0DC-4050-96E2-1FC4E501570E@grubmah.com> <4D148E5F.6010904@tiscali.co.uk> <4D1508C3.8010904@tiscali.co.uk> <1DF7EAC9-AC8C-49D4-8557-98ADB1E3F639@1800dialword.com> <294DE7A6-C1F0-4B9C-83AF-587173CC8F84@grubmah.com> <4D15B752.5000902@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 20:29:02 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 25, 2010, at 1:20 AM, andy butler wrote: >> My experience is that the useful range for the volume controls seems = to be pretty limited. Does that match with your experience as well? My = guess is that the LP1 interprets the volume control linearly when it = should probably treat it logarithmically (more or less). Or maybe I just = haven't tweaked the configuration on one end or the other appropriately? >=20 > It actually *is* logarithmic. > ...but in the range 0..127 over half the range is effectively = inaudible. >=20 > In practise, where you have a mix of sounds the simple answer > of making volume control linear works really well. >=20 >=20 > As a workaround, there's a parameter to set: >=20 > Menu>Volume Minimum >=20 > putting that at 60 makes things more usable. Hmm. Okay so bad guess on my part as to which direction it was off. I = should have plotted the curves. I'd played with minimum volume before, but hadn't hit on the right = level. -60 seems to work quite well. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 21:00:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC4E0183479; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 21:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7b441651-de01-4205-9bbc-67190a81359a_" X-Originating-IP: [81.155.122.229] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: lots of good info Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 21:00:00 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <348224F0-3C62-4163-BFF2-6376C216FEA5@mac.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2010 21:00:00.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1CF2530:01CBA476] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 21:00:03 +0000 (UTC) --_7b441651-de01-4205-9bbc-67190a81359a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is anyone else on this list not getting all the posts? None of my own posts= show up in my inbox like they used to and I'm reading responses to posts t= hat I've not read... =20 G =20 > Date: Sat=2C 25 Dec 2010 12:57:48 -0700 > Subject: Re: lots of good info > From: sinsofmachaut@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > It is no coincidence that Pythogoras spoke of both "cord" and > "chord"...interesting reading. >=20 > Best=2C >=20 > ~~D. >=20 > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sat=2C Dec 25=2C 2010 at 12:42 PM=2C Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > > Journey to the Heart of Music >=20 = --_7b441651-de01-4205-9bbc-67190a81359a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is anyone else on this list not getting all the posts? None of my own posts= show up in my inbox like they used to and I'm reading responses to posts t= hat I've not read...
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>=3B Date: Sat=2C 25 Dec 2010 12:57:48 -0700
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= --_7b441651-de01-4205-9bbc-67190a81359a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 21:03:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E88C183475; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 21:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1yy0ti83BBnaVTzNiJwy8DQCB4G28XFJv3H3QPy9RCY=; b=rhGaaQxNIS9L1wYIak/3ipYyBCFYf2fwlRZZx4FzbPskzpgOSi6ZvQ9Q0tLSUBwS/Y TfZQs3OM0+6Yh4nKAdjAqZQyQKvqDKxEr1XC+ck2Z3RkwAHGoLpbMSNYGGkDDZcTlHsw z3TLjpGHXo0sR5Eg/0DHTi2Tv6nTbgMhZnhpk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=FzQtvuUqHqJjEtp49ZFoSXJHqoLQwpqGdtSG/SAvvqbWisA2kxrEuaSRZh1oZeNn9U U+8dwo140/Hci7WeT/ADEP9QpkRl8rAASoz1ggc5u4Nx2Gqcms9O25MKZuNzw6owise1 ScMEaL7XNQlsCV/Gf9SCXa2AjDb7djFzmxePw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <348224F0-3C62-4163-BFF2-6376C216FEA5@mac.com> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 23:03:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: lots of good info From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a34d1910040498426ee4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 21:03:11 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a34d1910040498426ee4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 nope everything works fine, for me at least 2010/12/25 Gareth Whittock > Is anyone else on this list not getting all the posts? None of my own > posts show up in my inbox like they used to and I'm reading responses to > posts that I've not read... > > G > > > Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:57:48 -0700 > > Subject: Re: lots of good info > > From: sinsofmachaut@gmail.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > It is no coincidence that Pythogoras spoke of both "cord" and > > "chord"...interesting reading. > > > > Best, > > > > ~~D. > > > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > > http://audiozoloft.com > > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Paul Mimlitsch > wrote: > > > Journey to the Heart of Music > > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a34d1910040498426ee4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nope

everything works fine, for me at least

2010/12/25 Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
Is anyone else on this list not getting all the posts? None of my own posts= show up in my inbox like they used to and I'm reading responses to pos= ts that I've not read...
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> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:57:48 -0700
> Subject: Re: lots of goo= d info
> From: sinsofmachaut@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com
>
> It is no coincidence that Pythogoras spoke of both "cord= " and
> "chord"...interesting reading.
>
>= ; Best,
>
> ~~D.
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> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
> http://audiozolof= t.com
> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
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>= On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Paul Mimlitsch <pmimlitsch@mac.com> wrote:
> > Journey to the Heart of Music
>



--
Petri Lahtinen
http://www.petrilahtinen.com
http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.c= om/
http://www.myspace.com/pet= rilahtinen
http://twitt= er.com/PetriLahtinen
= http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
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"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-
--20cf3054a34d1910040498426ee4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 22:10:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1958918347A; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 22:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_dfec3c2c-40d6-4f7a-bf19-0f41ea9097be_" X-Originating-IP: [72.161.88.201] From: FRO DIDDLY To: Subject: OT: All I want for XMAS is a box truck. Help appreciated. Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 16:10:54 -0600 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2010 22:10:54.0850 (UTC) FILETIME=[99839E20:01CBA480] Resent-Message-ID: <6S84tC.A.cYF.wvmFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 22:10:56 +0000 (UTC) --_dfec3c2c-40d6-4f7a-bf19-0f41ea9097be_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy ya'll. Merry x-mas and happy looping! This is a long shot=2C but I have decided to purchase a box truck to replac= e my van for my touring needs. I've been scouring the net for days trying to find what I'm looking for=2C = but am not having the best luck. I figured since this list has members all over the states (and world)=2C yo= u all might have some hints on local dealers that have a good inventory of = box trucks. Or maybe some random websites that I'm overlooking. I live in St. Louis=2C MO. I will happily fly & drive home with the excepti= on of the west coast & New England area. What I'm looking for: Preferably a 12ft DIESEL box truck. Will consider up to a 14ft. 5 speed transmission preferred=2C but not too picky. There must be a walk-through from the cab so I have access to the cargo fro= m inside the van. This seems to limit it to GMC/CHEVY/FORD as the Mitsubish= i & Suziki trucks don't have this option. Minimum internal cargo width of 7ft. Cargo area must be flat=2C meaning no wheel well obstructions.=20 Although not necessary=2C a lift gate would be nice so long as it tucks awa= y under the truck.=20 Low miles preferred=2C but budget is $7500 max. The plan is to turn it into my mobile rehearsal space so that I can continu= e to grow as a musician & work on new songs as I tour the states playing sh= ows. Currently in my van=2C with all the gear there is hardly enough room to sle= ep=2C yet alone practice. Any help/suggestions greatly appreciated - unless its the voice of reason t= elling me to bring less gear =3Bo) ty! The Wandering Madman=20 = --_dfec3c2c-40d6-4f7a-bf19-0f41ea9097be_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy ya'll.

Merry x-mas and happy looping!

This is a long sh= ot=2C but I have decided to purchase a box truck to replace my van for my t= ouring needs.
I've been scouring the net for days trying to find what I'= m looking for=2C but am not having the best luck.
I figured since this l= ist has members all over the states (and world)=2C you all might have some = hints on local dealers that have a good inventory of box trucks. Or maybe s= ome random websites that I'm overlooking.
I live in St. Louis=2C MO. I w= ill happily fly &=3B drive home with the exception of the west coast &am= p=3B New England area.

What I'm looking for:

Preferably a 12f= t DIESEL box truck. Will consider up to a 14ft.
5 speed transmission pre= ferred=2C but not too picky.
There must be a walk-through from the cab s= o I have access to the cargo from inside the van. This seems to limit it to= GMC/CHEVY/FORD as the Mitsubishi &=3B Suziki trucks don't have this opt= ion.
Minimum internal cargo width of 7ft.
Cargo area must be f= lat=2C meaning no wheel well obstructions.
Although not necessary=2C a = lift gate would be nice so long as it tucks away under the truck.
Low m= iles preferred=2C but budget is $7500 max.

The plan is to turn it in= to my mobile rehearsal space so that I can continue to grow as a musician &= amp=3B work on new songs as I tour the states playing shows.
Currently i= n my van=2C with all the gear there is hardly enough room to sleep=2C yet a= lone practice.

Any help/suggestions greatly appreciated - unless its= the voice of reason telling me to bring less gear =3Bo)

ty!

The= Wandering Madman

= --_dfec3c2c-40d6-4f7a-bf19-0f41ea9097be_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 25 23:04:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 168E5183476; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 23:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=H4zTg24l9/azGzQxsbB+BJoWBQQ/M7bH0NwG3VWtJhI=; b=wsqSiLJIahK65kmF8zcOgfKrjeJinCL++o/mQc+xPmJUNWmGYhXcEnJEQSqnbtMOv4 Wch+vXNMViE0IjeDRqC/mDzMQMBZVT74oo5iPDemMBtEqLLBbVwqVqPXJ/Nwtlh18hxr FA7vMMf+0ZTpF7qgbG6zr8VEdm9dhQvodZKyo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CRyEgNJqQZf4RAYHwXgzrgGX3G/vHYM1MuxnEGRhPDoc6x6741lb95mFNPD3ZlTh4N uQx+xWqqiv9RfigXYixYV734jTlP4dK9vqvEmNPgnxtYSJ+7LIvdou0Ok0kUqQx1RODL TFVV07W2l5y0qExY98IvqDCinagjBDrZmJ/Ic= Message-ID: <4D167856.5010508@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 18:03:50 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: All I want for XMAS is a box truck. Help appreciated. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <62Ior.A.udG.ghnFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 23:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Have you checked out U-Haul used truck sales? If you can find a truck with reasonably low mileage, you can make out pretty well, and they'd definitely have the vehicles that fit your specs. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Howdy ya'll. > > Merry x-mas and happy looping! > > This is a long shot, but I have decided to purchase a box truck to > replace my van for my touring needs. > I've been scouring the net for days trying to find what I'm looking > for, but am not having the best luck. > I figured since this list has members all over the states (and world), > you all might have some hints on local dealers that have a good > inventory of box trucks. Or maybe some random websites that I'm > overlooking. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 00:11:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBFF9183479; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 00:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=o6m2VIpgUlCGqVDpXH25u3kjzVfAruznfI8q6iyVoUE=; b=Fgp7ldnUBKssd353stcQl4HurIgXyIzsasLKpp/si+gDA6FfdneOLrbJwlDol3ga1r X7JM/q8jj3ngjMDcd9mfh8NfJxv3CL8Zg9KYTr1qmelwWyauRzhGi7V0UhYNPQcVHucn twbdbPyVggI/U4D6VrprUbZ2WORnXYM4Oehag= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hvgP+UaXUTtHzv4XZjJJ8oesGLoLVttZeGuZnteUP6Lx/lC37Z7dEUe8c2I67GsMnV zBZ5AnboO+GuR8/ZsEw4nVVSCjTwMcZe9LMb9Hdd0hPxjJbwlraXRL5vEf1rubqe2VUQ J6AoFSBZ49k1vPuSnvmCEx3SAKMIJsAiZbs8Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D167856.5010508@gmail.com> References: <4D167856.5010508@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 16:11:40 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: All I want for XMAS is a box truck. Help appreciated. From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 00:11:42 +0000 (UTC) The US Post Office also sells their vehicles used for what can be quite a discount. If you're mechanically inclined and ready to take care of it they can be excellent deals. Kevin On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Have you checked out U-Haul used truck sales? If you can find a truck wit= h > reasonably low mileage, you can make out pretty well, and they'd definite= ly > have the vehicles that fit your specs. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > >> Howdy ya'll. >> >> Merry x-mas and happy looping! >> >> This is a long shot, but I have decided to purchase a box truck to repla= ce >> my van for my touring needs. >> I've been scouring the net for days trying to find what I'm looking for, >> but am not having the best luck. >> I figured since this list has members all over the states (and world), y= ou >> all might have some hints on local dealers that have a good inventory of= box >> trucks. Or maybe some random websites that I'm overlooking. > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 00:19:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DA44183473; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 00:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5mi7bIx6YFFdBOrsLbaM3uuOkdIkhERA/YnrLJM6a8E=; b=s74my3OrIZuEotY2MN8V+O575rHvz1NlPPUWXhRVYZhBaqSJLJLbGhsxAlPGiF7pVE j+fMs7I0cC5Xq3VQVG4xMYwl/pa4D2TqkkJ7mbPdMt7RZHsLuicpGOhJMONipqYD/say HuqtJgwUd9d5arlJfeKH13KpftmJSHr2E7s38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=XVlnNkwymENC5dErhYL5tJYrLgebwmiVKWbDwMbcZ+PextZN3Lt3OW8o5finb9aKnc pNuA0hSGuHxjPp/NdSGWjkNY9MHAnqXTVDQyi0mTaiudEfPjdEF+DMAc3FtEM2Sy+lPa xGngUNv0xa+grHUX2EmWlSO7ZQeOIwcm1/m6E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 01:19:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Moinlabs Christmas Gift From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: looppool@cruzio.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 00:19:08 +0000 (UTC) >> my christmas gift to the internet community (which, for me, mainly is you): >> http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=287 > Thanks for the gift, Rainer, Merry Christmas to you! > > > By the way, I can't find the tracks you mentioned (without processing) from > October 11th. Your dates seem to skip that date unless I'm missing something. You're most welcome, Rick! And thanks to you for spotting my mistake in specifying the correct session - I meant to say "November 6th" (the last 9 tracks in the playlist). Yours, Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 02:30:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57016183479; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 02:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:30:32 +0900 Subject: Numerology 3... From: Dustbunnies To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Numerology 3... Thread-Index: AcukpN44dMIeKnPHQuy7NvHG3u+w3Q== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 02:30:36 +0000 (UTC) For those of you using Numerology to control things or for accompaniment in your Looping setup, Version 3 has been released, with discounted pricing until January 9. Here's the press release: http://five12.com/n3-release.html More on Numerology in general can be found at the Five12 site: http://five12.com/ One of the more interesting developments, IMNSHO, is the ability to now run Numerology as an AU within another DAW (Live, Logic, MOTU DP). The Generative and Evolving additions look interesting as well. This has me wondering if Numerology might currently work as a poor-man's alternative to Max-For-Live (and while I don't have the cash for M4L right now, I can get upgrade pricing on Numerology). --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 04:04:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49752183476; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 04:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:04:43 +0900 Subject: TC-Helicon releases VoiceJam, audio looper for iOS From: Dustbunnies To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: TC-Helicon releases VoiceJam, audio looper for iOS Thread-Index: AcuksgZ6AxkcVAoAQUWHULAJDwUW9g== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 04:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Lately, it seems TC-Helicon have been devoting quite a bit of attention to promoting Voice Looping (their VoiceLive Touch product, for instance). Now, they've come out with VoiceJam for the iPhone/iPad: http://www.tc-helicon.com/products/voicejam/ Haven't tried it yet (my credit card and the iTunes store are fighting with each other again). But it seems pretty spiffy for only $1.99. --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 04:24:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F00C4183479; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 04:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QL4vpBOnGRV8++KzqbwmoUUjJezCfIlDMiopb5o37Zk=; b=gY0NTnV11EF/fdbWogMDHCCpDHggthebX1KflEmbAmy6IkdvfQSDruC1yon2Pm6zse 7ketqtv0kQolOlUg2AtY9kZ5O/XIRTN2xX8BueSGr7Zbf/7ko1BKzIV63FegvOvGS/Ij gqHFXMaue0FIWC92D8hbIcAnPlkNi4ar2c41U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wao0RDZhONuY6KFMpO/xUgri1xtWbotL2xT6amq5FAK39BNw9jFfxCQ/f5k9ahoKYu n11mAltIoX0Q2D4GrDzJLXLpwLNe3fcre30qyMTRy52QsIRRxkBxKMUznuVkmN2hwbRF TRn4tQlNS75w+K0idZ2EotZGzq2kkmlZZ36WU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 23:24:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Numerology 3... From: james fowler To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 04:24:26 +0000 (UTC) i wish numerology ran on xp. - jim On Saturday, December 25, 2010, Dustbunnies wrote: > For those of you using Numerology to control things or for accompaniment = in > your Looping setup, Version 3 has been released, with discounted pricing > until January 9. > > Here's the press release: http://five12.com/n3-release.html > > More on Numerology in general can be found at the Five12 site: > http://five12.com/ > > One of the more interesting developments, IMNSHO, is the ability to now r= un > Numerology as an AU within another DAW (Live, Logic, MOTU DP). =A0The > Generative and Evolving additions look interesting as well. > > This has me wondering if Numerology might currently work as a poor-man's > alternative to Max-For-Live (and while I don't have the cash for M4L righ= t > now, I can get upgrade pricing on Numerology). > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 05:28:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C51A183479; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 05:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 05:28:56 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 23:13:26 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Wisteriax Meditation -- Video on You Tube Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0iVsaC.A.YEH.YKtFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 05:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I posted a video entitled Wisteriax Meditation from one of my 2010 live performances at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYizcmwc974 Wisteriax is Karen Langlie's solo project for cello and electronics -- spacy, ambient and very imaginative. Goatstock is an annual festival of Boston area performers put on by some friends of mine as a benefit for Heifer International, http://www.heifer.org. Wisteriax Mediation was recorded during Karen's set at Goatstock 2010, Nothing in the set was preplanned. Karen was sitting at a very acute angle to the projection screen, but I could see her concentrating on the projected images so she could respond to them, producing the back and forth between imagery and music that I most treasure in these performances. This video is dedicated to Peace, Goats, and Good Cheer! BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 06:12:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD03918347A; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 06:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 458 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 06:12:37 UTC Message-ID: <4D16DB17.8060402@hevanet.com> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 22:05:11 -0800 From: David Auker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: HH References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 06:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Audiophyle: I love your audio, David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 06:27:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCDD718347D; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 06:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D16E06A.2040205@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 01:27:54 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List , AIMusic Yahoogroup Subject: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 06:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Since MySpace forced all band profiles into migrating to the "New MySpace" band profile; for calling that an upgrade; for making that forced migration nothing less than excruciating, like a cystoscopy without numbing agent; for never listening to the true needs of its users; for trying to be Facebook and Twitter all rolled into one; for taking away the capabilities of old MySpace that we liked; for running audio ads when we want to get directly to listening to a music player; for destroying all the work we did in old MySpace so we can't migrate it over to New MySpace; for making HTML boxes that don't fully observe HTML... We should all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in protest. Please RSVP in support of this protest movement at http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a MySpace profile and agree with or support the cause. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 07:45:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01358183479; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 07:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=UdkBWF+hxzKhkioaZtL4ObyJSkoGv0kpnS0nCF2+hZA=; b=aBdMQooeiKv9YouupZRFvFlp2mRdOys2MgahEJgM7cFrWc73xAuIcnOdi8HcDErXKc MZQFR5qXVYoow9K+dzUuza4YoHGXOrnA47XFd3JRjdhuMjJ8xnnM/5QmP9krPXEM1mrG XSm4I0NNdiPMBOmhxY+HlgwO808KpzocZtjEw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=JbUYbCFzlT8yhfLrVePPxXV541YOxGAB4mVIwtxAskBETQXLj2cFIhTFqtIJblDt6b 7HoR0GTe8ZGDJRE55Uq0sT3QRpvdn+gyqYnuJpqyMsvQURUW9wpk7lvlcAN3qQhi/jre GjBmdmqKBNpE516vx09Hsw42eoBJpZHIReYGY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D16E06A.2040205@soundscapes.us> References: <4D16E06A.2040205@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 08:45:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends From: Doc Rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , AIMusic Yahoogroup Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b7e3ea106e004984b68db Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 07:45:55 +0000 (UTC) --0016363b7e3ea106e004984b68db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've already done it. Good initiative. On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Bill Fox wrote: > Since MySpace forced all band profiles into migrating to the "New MySpace" > band profile; for calling that an upgrade; for making that forced migration > nothing less than excruciating, like a cystoscopy without numbing agent; for > never listening to the true needs of its users; for trying to be Facebook > and Twitter all rolled into one; for taking away the capabilities of old > MySpace that we liked; for running audio ads when we want to get directly to > listening to a music player; for destroying all the work we did in old > MySpace so we can't migrate it over to New MySpace; for making HTML boxes > that don't fully observe HTML... > > We should all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in protest. > Please RSVP in support of this protest movement at http://mysp.ac/gHgiBFif you have a MySpace profile and agree with or support the cause. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > --0016363b7e3ea106e004984b68db Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've already done it. =A0Good initiative.

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us>= wrote:
Since MySpace forced all band profiles into= migrating to the "New MySpace" band profile; for calling that an= upgrade; for making that forced migration nothing less than excruciating, = like a cystoscopy without numbing agent; for never listening to the true ne= eds of its users; for trying to be Facebook and Twitter all rolled into one= ; for taking away the capabilities of old MySpace that we liked; for runnin= g audio ads when we want to get directly to listening to a music player; fo= r destroying all the work we did in old MySpace so we can't migrate it = over to New MySpace; for making HTML boxes that don't fully observe HTM= L...

We should all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in protest.= =A0 Please RSVP in support of this protest movement at http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a My= Space profile and agree with or support the cause.

Cheers,

Bill


--0016363b7e3ea106e004984b68db-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 08:01:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BB18183476; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 08:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 153497.88354.bm@omp1034.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293350509; bh=fOt+6NfhA9NgYOC/bCDI8Mm8h5RJA+ABrON5wBM7w7s=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cC4Xn/zLPm+Cyu/+ZAW8xahWO/mSR6yT8MzBksuI8IOBBh2H75ngaIozqKEecxLf8OzqDWsbHbdCE0RtsKyUqRCLkzCBQtGV0p2jFv7wJjh6uZbyPhppxxzPZGVfw2XPs5YaP0L9jO1HRoIKVzIqLs65f9LWxPuc2FQ9i/rr+AM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YOWi0rr6QUrbXyFUa2wNFM9/20Os8O9hq6mBljqaHCkXokU8XJtQrDVRKXzE40pIlszJBpZPhl5bKpAs9M5LGC9cQ054r6i5lUciWAxjuxUlOTk7DV2lF+SXayCLUZqFjWlS/W+2SX2lF/qJAPm9YdAIWb0XRkWvWP45BG/thAw=; Message-ID: <853238.19578.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TtsFqmkVM1nTjrmBiXnCn7NRVzMxszZ.e3a77VETXN2WDpJ ReskvI99izMmMyE7kclIYmsrxskm_Ib8IB6G7yb5Cb17vK0o4_TDbVCxke7S MnM6exS4Jo2gsJjmgS3xDgfc0O3fsydY0EYlf3keB6_ff1gJs3_.kvapiZiP N5bsXHwpUE.K28vsEcxrKyqinZ1TqG9mAY2BkE4b_U8jp1h7iA_WCoZWaMBq xb1Pehdo.97S9NTFhVs3a3T4pbDEKXx3ACyapf8X_HG9mJvjFb35rC61p9HE _0wM1kkcTN3qdzJJrI28XYX9wuJE9z5J5.xNVGN4AwK8A0ljUB9KrrJ91AaR fxwF7ljfTWjeMI3cZ6SykNyjYg.OisN9gWZXdoV0DaZCBAgtYI7TU18mqqOI FuD36.SjwHuF2ykQQQYMjKuuhO0UK X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 00:01:49 -0800 (PST) From: K D Patten Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1852820388-1293350509=:19578" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 08:01:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-1852820388-1293350509=:19578 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Careful guys=A0 ..... my virus shield freaked out......but i did it any way Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA=A0 50131=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=20 =A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs =A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20 =A0http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 --- On Sun, 12/26/10, Doc Rossi wrote: From: Doc Rossi Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: "ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List" , "= beyond_em Yahoogroups List" , "spacemusic Yahoog= roups List" , "Ambient Way Yahoogroups List" , "AIMusic Yahoogroup" Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 1:45 AM I've already done it. =A0Good initiative. On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Bill Fox wrote: =0ASince MySpace forced all band profiles into migrating to the "New MySpac= e" band profile; for calling that an upgrade; for making that forced migrat= ion nothing less than excruciating, like a cystoscopy without numbing agent= ; for never listening to the true needs of its users; for trying to be Face= book and Twitter all rolled into one; for taking away the capabilities of o= ld MySpace that we liked; for running audio ads when we want to get directl= y to listening to a music player; for destroying all the work we did in old= MySpace so we can't migrate it over to New MySpace; for making HTML boxes = that don't fully observe HTML... =0A=0A =0AWe should all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in prote= st. =A0 Please RSVP in support of this protest movement at http://mysp.ac/g= HgiBF if you have a MySpace profile and agree with or support the cause. =0A=0A =0ACheers, =0A =0ABill =0A =0A =0A --0-1852820388-1293350509=:19578 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--- On Sun, 12/26/10, Doc Rossi <docittern@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

From: Doc Rossi <docittern@gmail.com>
Sub= ject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends
To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: "ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List" <= ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com>, "beyond_em Yahoogroups List" <beyon= d_em@yahoogroups.com>, "spacemusic Yahoogroups List" <spacemusic@yaho= ogroups.com>, "Ambient Way Yahoogroups List" <the_ambient_way@yahoogr= oups.com>, "AIMusic Yahoogroup" <AIMusic@yahoogroups.com>
Date:= Sunday, December 26, 2010, 1:45 AM

I've al= ready done it.  Good initiative.

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.= us> wrote:
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Since MySpace forced all band profiles into migra= ting to the "New MySpace" band profile; for calling that an upgrade; for ma= king that forced migration nothing less than excruciating, like a cystoscop= y without numbing agent; for never listening to the true needs of its users= ; for trying to be Facebook and Twitter all rolled into one; for taking awa= y the capabilities of old MySpace that we liked; for running audio ads when= we want to get directly to listening to a music player; for destroying all= the work we did in old MySpace so we can't migrate it over to New MySpace;= for making HTML boxes that don't fully observe HTML...
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=0AWe = should all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in protest. &n= bsp; Please RSVP in support of this protest movement at http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF= if you have a MySpace profile and agree with or support the cause.
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--0-1852820388-1293350509=:19578-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 08:50:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DF71183479; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 08:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+u+cPNeEr1L/0t/bumdpx34Zy2l5AlzGXG9pT+gZc5U=; b=qDvmG068HOs4pWuFTH1WM22EK4y8J+6IIaRFKWDxRYJkH8djQ163v3JVrm6E2IPQPc 1Mbjs7Ggks534LydhUA30cLvKJuH5rfNBVtjHnlcWSF+6Qx+wLuTc2HCbclRsJm6iJe8 mLJODxfvQqj1So3xv2ETH0lUQfisbXjhgzu5U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Vt9YW9hG94nXQbS5iDrzXEn/uTY3Og6Wnd6vaMNnoWmHjKRM2mM++D+59xmeW0E8/o KFEyK0qelH7UUxiPm7NHaOXKn38PqWdTRT1MNZ+t18h5KeJknx3E94h2RvXu16VrCPSy yrLMYg+l+Rj5bRxb/ojmQaVsY+SaRWxvpppKE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:50:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Numerology 3... From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 08:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Cool to see one of my favorite music software tools mentioned on this list! :-) On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Dustbunnies wrote: > This has me wondering if Numerology might currently work as a poor-man's > alternative to Max-For-Live I don't think so, because they are completely different tools. Numerology is a system for modular step sequencing, the way it was done in the analog domain and before MIDI was invented. One might argue that Numerology 3 and the Pro version now has digital audio processing objects like Envelope Follower, Audio Feedback Assistant, a built-in sampler etc - but that's only a little icing on the cake while M4L is a massive iceberg of audio processing options (that totally lacks the modular sequencing workflow of Numerology). > Numerology AU I am not too excited by the AU, because this plugin misses out of what I find most cool with Numerology; the possibility for "discrete sequencing". When working with rhythmic riffs and melody lines I'm a big fan of creating loops of accent that cycle at a different length than the tonal loops formed by notes. This can't be done with the Numerology AU plugin. But in the full Numerology application you can set up a dedicated step sequencer for Velocity (accent), another for Gate (when notes are created) and a third for Pitch (which notes are created). Then you cable all those (CV) sequencers into a Note Generator object to drive a virtual instrument. This is the music theory typically used by artists as King Crimson, Philip Glass, Steve Reich etc. If in the future the Numerology AU becomes available with all the modular sequencer routing now available in Numerology, then I would love to use it in Logic to drive Logic's virtual instruments from Numerology AU. Maybe next year... ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 09:00:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B448D183473; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WRwJG9+IoOB/TNH49VC2JIRcpz2qe+ADdZ+1T1WYLGw=; b=wfl1qTpO4j8LpHVVokQUT9RhwAMCWKCjz8GjoXETH1JKQcfa+dSp6h8krzdmILpkLQ wLwk0Eb2Tdw255Tkv+gcz86Cu/rBXCqFNyZIAIwm343iFwGgqxyd7BQrWNNvlPnA+8Ai /hzlZsyQFRnyhiWzBnBMiPQMnez6TCASenFsQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tGMD7+XtSKu00qM/hiqBh4nz4FAhBYNgve80g5qdad7dGST35ZEfUyJAccFv8ZePX3 wsz+VdGY78xY4bS6Qi5WclBi+wpyuIlpg0uk/w2TO5dSUY4xqtdHs9905S1JpbLlKIGi htXJQjzbnM32QPAYWjyHXmKOQpYB7fQALhXbQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:00:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TC-Helicon releases VoiceJam, audio looper for iOS From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <8JvBhD.A.1yF.4QwFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:00:40 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Dustbunnies wrote: > Lately, it seems TC-Helicon have been devoting quite a bit of attention t= o > promoting Voice Looping (their VoiceLive Touch product, for instance). = =C2=A0Now, > they've come out with VoiceJam for the iPhone/iPad: > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://www.tc-helicon.com/products/voicejam/ According to the info on the site and the demo video it seems way more fun than Loop that I have on my iPhone here. If I were a vocalist I would buy and download it, but I'm not ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 09:30:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 293D0183475; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 280680146/mk-outboundfilter-6.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-nildram-customers/62.3.238.4/None/nick@1957.me.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.3.238.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@1957.me.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApEBAG+ZFk0+A+4E/2dsb2JhbAAM1xSLXYVKBIsEgxE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,230,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="280680146" X-IP-Direction: IN From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, mark francombe Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:30:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EDP videos? Reply-to: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4D170B3C.22056.38FAEA@nick.1957.me.uk> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:30:56 +0000 (UTC) On 25 Dec 2010 at 17:55, mark francombe wrote: > I understand and remember your frustration Nick, but the best way to > get on top of your EDP is to try a limited few things at first, then > dive back into the manual and try a few more.. that's the approach I'm taking. > For really complex stuff, you can look for Andre le Fosses website, that's on my reading list, but whilst I can use it put a name to a feature, there's no "how to". > Matthias said... > http://youtube.com/livelooping - ~Musicians explaining... you can find > several basic ones Looping isn't the issue - I've looped used a powertran DDL and later a jamman for over 20 years. I thoroughly "get" the concept. The vids you mention are generally variations on overdubbing and "one man song covers", which is a long way from my musical head. I can already (just about) replace the jamman with the EDP, it's the sonic mangling I'm looking to add to my repertoire. BTW, I don't know if you can add existing videos to your channel, but here are some of mine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN5z9FpZZ54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Qvbwd0ew4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2U-mbEJfPQ I'm just surprised by the almost total lack of "how to do it" videos. I'm not a RTFM criminal - I've taught myself flash and php using TFM and use midi to control a variety of devices in my chain. I know the value of DIY tuition, but as a tutor myself (origami!), don't subscribe to the "I learned it the hard way, why can't you" philosophy ;) However, I'm still finding it hard going. I suspect some effects require parameters that prevent other effects? It would be handy if there were a list of "to get this effect, you need these parameters set" type information. Is it sensible to set up one type of effect, then add it to a preset for later recall? There are times when I want next loop to contain audio, others not - rather than change these parameters by midi (if you can!), I assume a preset would cover it? One last question - re. using "undo" with windowing" - is there a "redo" option, so you can take the window forwards as well as backwards? > have fun Oh yes, it's serious creative fun! I apologise for so many Noob questions ;) I guess I also need to put my money where my mouth is and record a few tutorial videos! All the best, Nick Robinson music site : http://www.looping.me.uk myspace site : http://www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops looping forum : http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 10:07:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 418B4183476; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293358037; bh=TMVQg/eDx1Yuv2QK+9j9PQ/08oAEW97Mp+b7AHJvcwY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RraB/8rH1IeBixvJRsMESn+uceoFIGnvwuun8LDWKFP7TludVPBBAQ8lFQx30Fu7hmhAKfIjTCmnV6P4D3b0/aR6TPHGT39PV4UwPzO+5LQDZk2i4SOq0cf5ucP9AHoXUwTqHG2GNE56tC/aBzBybNUusWoG8+fYTnBirOzh53M= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iedNx8RIssxoUP9989F7JcWvPTdG5OZBD1BL/oT342nQfLHS5ewjTIaGpbxNDdXtrVEh8TEpzgaLYrY5e37480ax3oBIQLwTDCP32F8xGrEekSm7DoISh/Aze9khvHNp+ijD38EMj8qTmDXBeeSMLF6XQX6dhTsKVQK4HQ9u9gI=; Message-ID: <195165.66551.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: fkdPO.8VM1njOBWuaMaFoJbCsJz3Hw7S4M_pfhI0ZshBzJ6 gwnJBLd2CZgSEJWpKs_Se9n7DwGoG2.9OFPyWHh4WgTtEVmfLczEL06N.xcs 6EyQnQJjvN7NeXPN5_ydR80PL.L0iZCvjRwZLZBT9xW3pusgZ.Qep.5vMdAE .zZpx_ZDvo8JGNSJqon6cQDjwv1mGyQcHcAjndB0juwDD39CwyxUaxg8g93i dRKJdVaE3g5.ARv7SpEsQS_g4gFUQ5TbG5DV5bbWzgI0Hc8XltUyapRPRI5V kv.WOAuBmBiNokfODLYJx X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 02:07:16 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: TC-Helicon releases VoiceJam, audio looper for iOS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1694332897-1293358036=:66551" Resent-Message-ID: <93EZSC.A.51.WPxFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:07:18 +0000 (UTC) --0-1694332897-1293358036=:66551 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what's the point of having a looper on an iPhone? Antony ________________________________ From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 10:00:39 AM Subject: Re: TC-Helicon releases VoiceJam, audio looper for iOS On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Dustbunnies wrote: > Lately, it seems TC-Helicon have been devoting quite a bit of attention to > promoting Voice Looping (their VoiceLive Touch product, for instance). Now, > they've come out with VoiceJam for the iPhone/iPad: > > http://www.tc-helicon.com/products/voicejam/ According to the info on the site and the demo video it seems way more fun than Loop that I have on my iPhone here. If I were a vocalist I would buy and download it, but I'm not ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub --0-1694332897-1293358036=:66551 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
what's the point of having a looper on an iPhone?

Antony

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 10:00:39 AM
Subject: Re: TC-Helicon releases VoiceJam, audio looper for iOS

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Dustbunnies <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:
> Lately, it seems TC-Helicon have been devoting quite a bit of attention to
> promoting Voice Looping (their VoiceLive Touch product, for instance).  Now,
> they've come out with VoiceJam for the iPhone/iPad:
>
>        http://www.tc-helicon.com/products/voicejam/


According to the info on the site and the demo video it seems way more
fun than Loop that I have on my iPhone here. If I were a vocalist I
would buy and download it, but I'm not ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub


--0-1694332897-1293358036=:66551-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 10:42:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D852B183474; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=u353AZv6p2Pt2emyg7SCjzdP/iQSOrga8OVkkkE3Ukg=; b=Rgm9+RcvLUpbtjmHSXHO6q+vil7qy5w84BK0eesQmBA/TrkDOggQDSQi4pykPaHQMZ vdXhpZSYackBo/VYjBHjDaL4mbhfDjufsLyJcWQcv6HJL9UQ32E1G9OOxXQfQPxwTQ9d kyiO8WjHKhG1TS1NaMrd3HIS5l9M3yCUpqGxc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=fLLBldcRwnX/J15qK9hki4fjyLbs+8tzbcukPGPwh21kVZc9owXQUZBRuCZDkPe7u3 e/KjzGBZwkCKZ98vf2NKlq9e5L+7VNyK+retSvlyE3SMj9wUmAq36t1M/ktRWxZqri7+ x0SNDmO6MlXCTMXbScP3/aIFM5F1+QwhoH24U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <195165.66551.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <195165.66551.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:42:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: TC-Helicon releases VoiceJam, audio looper for iOS From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:42:34 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 11:07 AM, wrote: > what's the point of having a looper on an iPhone? Looping acoustic sound on the go wherever you might be; on the bus, in the escalator on the way up to your work assignment, in the basement while doing the laundry, at the grocery store while examining fresh potatoes of the season... etc etc. What value you find in this is of course a highly personal matter :-) For a vocalist it might offer valuable practicing opportunities. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 10:51:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4713318347A; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5EF51ED5C6BB4EC78E51FB51D0C3C854@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <853238.19578.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <853238.19578.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:51:53 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CBA4EA.E87A41E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: <_7oNlD.A.1TC.K5xFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:51:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CBA4EA.E87A41E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BFDone and done. Myspace has become rubbish, and with the new = =E2=80=98layout=E2=80=99 =E2=80=93 if that=E2=80=99s what one can call = it =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s practically unusable. From: K D Patten=20 Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends Careful guys ..... my virus shield freaked out......but i did it = any way Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA 50131 =20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20 http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten =20 --- On Sun, 12/26/10, Doc Rossi wrote: From: Doc Rossi Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: "ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List" = , "beyond_em Yahoogroups List" = , "spacemusic Yahoogroups List" = , "Ambient Way Yahoogroups List" = , "AIMusic Yahoogroup" = Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 1:45 AM I've already done it. Good initiative. On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Bill Fox = wrote: Since MySpace forced all band profiles into migrating to the = "New MySpace" band profile; for calling that an upgrade; for making that = forced migration nothing less than excruciating, like a cystoscopy = without numbing agent; for never listening to the true needs of its = users; for trying to be Facebook and Twitter all rolled into one; for = taking away the capabilities of old MySpace that we liked; for running = audio ads when we want to get directly to listening to a music player; = for destroying all the work we did in old MySpace so we can't migrate it = over to New MySpace; for making HTML boxes that don't fully observe = HTML... We should all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our = Friends in protest. Please RSVP in support of this protest movement at = http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a MySpace profile and agree with or = support the cause. Cheers, Bill =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CBA4EA.E87A41E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Done and done.  Myspace has become rubbish, and with the new = =E2=80=98layout=E2=80=99=20 =E2=80=93 if that=E2=80=99s what one can call it =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s = practically unusable.
 
From: K D Patten
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace=20 Friends
 
Careful=20 guys  ..... my virus shield freaked out......but i did it any = way

Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA =20 = 50131           &n= bsp;=20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs
ht= tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20
 http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten =20      




--- On = Sun,=20 12/26/10, Doc Rossi <docittern@gmail.com> = wrote:

From:=20 Doc Rossi <docittern@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] = Delete Tom=20 Anderson From Your MySpace Friends
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: "ElectronicMusic = Yahoogroups=20 List" <ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com>, "beyond_em = Yahoogroups=20 List" <beyond_em@yahoogroups.com>, "spacemusic Yahoogroups = List"=20 <spacemusic@yahoogroups.com>, "Ambient Way Yahoogroups = List"=20 <the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com>, "AIMusic Yahoogroup"=20 <AIMusic@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, December 26, = 2010, 1:45=20 AM

I've already done it.  Good=20 initiative.

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at = 7:27 AM, Bill=20 Fox <wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=3Dbi= llyfox@soundscapes.us>=20 wrote:
Since MySpace forced all band = profiles=20 into migrating to the "New MySpace" band profile; for calling = that an=20 upgrade; for making that forced migration nothing less than=20 excruciating, like a cystoscopy without numbing agent; for = never=20 listening to the true needs of its users; for trying to be = Facebook=20 and Twitter all rolled into one; for taking away the = capabilities of=20 old MySpace that we liked; for running audio ads when we want = to get=20 directly to listening to a music player; for destroying all = the work=20 we did in old MySpace so we can't migrate it over to New = MySpace; for=20 making HTML boxes that don't fully observe HTML...

We = should=20 all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in=20 protest.   Please RSVP in support of this protest = movement=20 at http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a = MySpace profile=20 and agree with or support the cause.

Cheers,

Bill

=
 
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CBA4EA.E87A41E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 10:59:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1B29183474; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Subject: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? From: Reyn Ouwehand In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:59:17 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0EF3E3A8-F5D5-405C-881E-6CC3FA14EF4B@reyn.net> References: <29B4E54D-1C8C-44E5-89DF-ABA956B8167F@ubergadget.com> <4D12EE71.7010409@cruzio.com> <6FA51F81-EA89-46C4-BEBE-55C5C660EB9E@1800dialword.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: <0PXcpD.A.mkC.IAyFNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Agreed! I always wear Converses when I play live too, and they look good = too!.. Cheers, Reyn. (PS: No looping, but I really like the song: Reyn vs Blaudzun - Revolver = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAyf4_7DlntI ) On Dec 23, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Matt Stevens wrote: > Converse - nothing comes close :) >=20 > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 23 Dec 2010, at 16:15, Andy Owens wrote: >=20 >> Allright fellers, I know lots of us'ns have switches on the floor, so = here's a relevant on topic question. =20 >>=20 >> What are the best looping shoes????? >>=20 >> Andy Owens >> 1-800-AndyOwens >> Sent from my iPhone >> So the typing might not be my best! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 11:49:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B06E5183474; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=AdRp8suMF4XzNgFmLtla2bwoyUldQwI0ncgZRBjmaho=; b=VTUFzhgvmkRly/nClmil2moGAp5lGmziAhbtW0N6ClM08ZkKSeLuK8xXnzKO8yd9v9 Ocrxwopo2HBqlBJ5yALWaN4CfMBKaHPIk/A1+nhSmwE8s32/gU1l5nVHuHAvwOuDjXQc jGr8X6qPyLrL5yfFxEHyrEV+8dKYyNqysj7QQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=BQlDr3JtDJJCIYRnAJ7AtdgPrpyUoVFMec74/dwhWgT2fD6GOrYBWxDXiRe/k5je5D Q5HlZeaIm+GL7Afb6EVT/Dm2DIDse0r6TmCBMCy8ZBTHdmMCzEGXb2yzUKVnGSN9IwXW QA29dHZyDxDCBNiIxbKYnp5h9/HDyMoW7gJIM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5EF51ED5C6BB4EC78E51FB51D0C3C854@ELUK1> References: <853238.19578.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EF51ED5C6BB4EC78E51FB51D0C3C854@ELUK1> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:49:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends From: Petri Lahtinen To: Stephen Goodman Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a337ac228504984eceb8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:49:11 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a337ac228504984eceb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I removed links to MySpace from my homepage, havent promoted anything through it in half year or something. They ruined good platform and user base. Their fail. Hail the SoundCloud -Petri- 2010/12/26 Stephen Goodman > Done and done. Myspace has become rubbish, and with the new =91layout= =92 =96 > if that=92s what one can call it =96 it=92s practically unusable. > > *From:* K D Patten > *Sent:* Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:01 AM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends > > Careful guys ..... my virus shield freaked out......but i did it any > way > > Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA 50131 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten > http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten > http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 12/26/10, Doc Rossi * wrote: > > > From: Doc Rossi > Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Cc: "ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List" , > "beyond_em Yahoogroups List" , "spacemusic > Yahoogroups List" , "Ambient Way Yahoogroups > List" , "AIMusic Yahoogroup" < > AIMusic@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 1:45 AM > > I've already done it. Good initiative. > > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Bill Fox < > wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=3Dbillyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote: > > Since MySpace forced all band profiles into migrating to the "New MySpace= " > band profile; for calling that an upgrade; for making that forced migrati= on > nothing less than excruciating, like a cystoscopy without numbing agent; = for > never listening to the true needs of its users; for trying to be Facebook > and Twitter all rolled into one; for taking away the capabilities of old > MySpace that we liked; for running audio ads when we want to get directly= to > listening to a music player; for destroying all the work we did in old > MySpace so we can't migrate it over to New MySpace; for making HTML boxes > that don't fully observe HTML... > > We should all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in > protest. Please RSVP in support of this protest movement at > http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a MySpace profile and agree with or > support the cause. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a337ac228504984eceb8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I removed links to MySpace from my homepage, havent promoted anything throu= gh it in half year or something.
They ruined good platform and user base= . Their fail.

Hail the SoundCloud

-Petri-

2010/12/26 Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>
Done and done.=A0 Myspace has become rubbish, and with the new =91layo= ut=92=20 =96 if that=92s what one can call it =96 it=92s practically unusable.
=A0
From: K D Patten
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace=20 Friends
=A0
Careful=20 guys=A0 ..... my virus shield freaked out......but i did it any=20 way


--- On Sun,=20 12/26/10, Doc Rossi <docittern@gmail.com> wrote:

From:=20 Doc Rossi <docittern@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom=20 Anderson From Your MySpace Friends
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: "ElectronicMusic = Yahoogroups=20 List" <ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com>, "beyond_em Y= ahoogroups=20 List" <beyond_em@yahoogroups.com>, "spacemusic Yahoogroups= List"=20 <spacemusic@yahoogroups.com>, "Ambient Way Yahoogroups List&quo= t;=20 <the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com>, "AIMusic Yahoogroup&quo= t;=20 <AI= Music@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 1:45=20 AM

I've already done it.=A0 Good=20 initiative.

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Bill= =20 Fox <wlmailhtml:/mc/compos= e?to=3Dbillyfox@soundscapes.us>=20 wrote:
Since MySpace forced all band p= rofiles=20 into migrating to the "New MySpace" band profile; for c= alling that an=20 upgrade; for making that forced migration nothing less than=20 excruciating, like a cystoscopy without numbing agent; for never= =20 listening to the true needs of its users; for trying to be Facebo= ok=20 and Twitter all rolled into one; for taking away the capabilities= of=20 old MySpace that we liked; for running audio ads when we want to = get=20 directly to listening to a music player; for destroying all the w= ork=20 we did in old MySpace so we can't migrate it over to New MySp= ace; for=20 making HTML boxes that don't fully observe HTML...

We = should=20 all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in=20 protest.=A0=A0 Please RSVP in support of this protest movement=20 at http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a MySpace profile=20 and agree with or support the cause.

Cheers,

Bill

=A0



--
Petri Lahtinen
http://www.petrilahtinen.com
http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.c= om/
http://www.myspace.com/pet= rilahtinen
http://twitt= er.com/PetriLahtinen
= http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
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"Only become pr= ofessional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
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--20cf3054a337ac228504984eceb8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 12:24:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EFEC18347A; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1733E5.6000708@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 04:24:05 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "nick@12testing.net" CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP videos? References: <4D15EC40.7827.B0CC9E@nick.1957.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D15EC40.7827.B0CC9E@nick.1957.me.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:24:17 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, nick@12testing.net wrote: > I'm the proud owner of an EDP with loop IV. I'm wading through the > manual, but am slightly surprised to find no tutorial videos out > there. Has anyone made any? I'm learning through trial and (many) > errors and it's frustrating to hear audio files demonstrating > features I can't figure out... > > > Dear Nick, Remember something: It took you a long time to figure out your way around a guitar. The EDP is a complex instrument and it will take time to learn it. I'm with Mark Francombe...........take your time.......learn a couple of new techniques and get really creative with them. Then move on to some new ones. God forbid: pay for a lesson with an expert the way anyone would pay for a lesson with a guitarist or any other instrument. There are amazing masters of the EDP on this list (Andre LaFosse, Andy Butler, Matthias Grob, et. al.) My brother and I have often remarked about this phenomenae: People will pay your for years of your expertise on an instrument to help accelerate their growth but very, very few people will ever pay for an equivalent expertise on tech gear, even though it took just as many hundreds of hours to master said techniques as it did to master equivalent techniques on your instrument of choice. I'm astonished by the number of hours my brother Bill, as an example, has put into learning the Looperlative, the Electrix Repeater, the Line 6 DL-3, M-9 and M-13. Very few people ever ask him for paid tutorials in those instruments and yet, if they did, they would shave off dozens and dozens of hours in their own learning curve. Yet, eople continually take our time asking for free advice about live looping. Not a week goes by that someone doesn't approach me for advice on some aspect or other of live looping and I have a tenth of the knowledge that my brother has about it. You'd be surprised how many secrets can be unlocked in a short amount of time if you actually take a formal lesson with someone who has mastered this instrument and honor them buy paying for their time. Good luck with the EDP. It's such a powerful instrument! You are a very powerful artist in your own right. You will do amazing things with it I predict. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 12:41:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19BF7183475; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=10eLAt2qOwyeuEJH77hVMZUak43mAsl5nmWhlBeUdMg=; b=wB8yi0BulZadyxfSROF+EDTUFmX+cuZganexHFi8Y3PQ2rFmJILTqhe3TTUZQA9TEH Pdaij2g2EOo9hyTWQB6QjxDv8qQHz+xUO4uFp7AxighNLCaudzLyKsTG3YDzDDh0qsm7 ogXBGJMG+o46iNGtRlWtpIgm/DsNvA3RknP8Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qZqAInzQRvUfaQ2x/txg/ecrQhzTGzbkDy2ZpC3vEx2G5E+u57tVSHrrqapGehqKGD 1OyM0HpH6q3fS4MmxMHn5VZ7qyQouj7JnVcHU7SCV1XqWGsuNej7jVgZ0wXnvlnkZjSM ZNqQxzGZuvnzPkuwXI0jS54LtFcAXTggZNdkM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D1733E5.6000708@cruzio.com> References: <4D15EC40.7827.B0CC9E@nick.1957.me.uk> <4D1733E5.6000708@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:41:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP videos? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:41:09 +0000 (UTC) > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, nick@12testing.net wrote: >> >> I'm the proud owner of an EDP with loop IV. I'm wading through the >> manual, but am slightly surprised to find no tutorial videos out >> there. Has anyone made any? I'm learning through trial and (many) >> errors and it's frustrating to hear audio files demonstrating >> features I can't figure out... Hi Nick, For me it meant a huge leap in EDP skills when I understood that each of the commands (Record, Overdub, Multiply, Reverse... etc) will imply a different action depending on what mode the looper currently is in. Put another way, you may get different results by using different commands to end the current process. One example is if you press Multiply. That will kick the EDP into Multiply Mode. The most straightforward way of leaving Multiply Mode is of course to press Multiply a second time - but there are other exciting alternatives... like for example to end Multiply by Record! This will instantly (1) cut down the loop length outside the quantize setting, (2) set a new cycle length as the timing base and (3) calculate a new tempo (sent out as MIDI Clock for synced gear). This was just one example, you can explore alternative endings on your own. All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 13:45:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 935C818347B; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-2--616210051"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: From: "Andy Owens" Subject: Box truck Thread-Topic: Box truck Thread-Index: AculAzJ39kduT3ebTDqrsbYqYga9Fg== Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 08:44:45 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2010 13:45:46.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[32F7D9E0:01CBA503] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:45:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--616210051 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's my suggestion, you can find older, maybe repo'd box truck that has ch= angeable signage, then you can sell ad space to some PC company you dont min= d promoting, and also have a way to promote your shows.=20 To be more O(n)T I did the same thing last year, no signs, but I found a box= truck that was converted to a camper in the front that has the back half op= en with a slideout, so my pipedream is a portable performance area with fast= connection so I can stream from the rest areas or wherever!! Will send some pics sometime.=20 Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 25, 2010, at 5:11 PM, "FRO DIDDLY" wrote: > Howdy ya'll. >=20 > Merry x-mas and happy looping! >=20 > This is a long shot, but I have decided to purchase a box truck to replace= my van for my touring needs. > I've been scouring the net for days trying to find what I'm looking for, b= ut am not having the best luck. > I figured since this list has members all over the states (and world), you= all might have some hints on local dealers that have a good inventory of bo= x trucks. Or maybe some random websites that I'm overlooking. > I live in St. Louis, MO. I will happily fly & drive home with the exceptio= n of the west coast & New England area. >=20 > What I'm looking for: >=20 > Preferably a 12ft DIESEL box truck. Will consider up to a 14ft. > 5 speed transmission preferred, but not too picky. > There must be a walk-through from the cab so I have access to the cargo fr= om inside the van. 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charset=us-ascii Oops forgot this link http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=3D280605189586&index=3D14&nav= =3DSEARCH&nid=3D74391087954 Too expensive but much cheaper out there.=20 Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 26, 2010, at 8:45 AM, "Andy Owens" wrote: > Here's my suggestion, you can find older, maybe repo'd box truck that has c= hangeable signage, then you can sell ad space to some PC company you dont mi= nd promoting, and also have a way to promote your shows.=20 >=20 > To be more O(n)T I did the same thing last year, no signs, but I found a b= ox truck that was converted to a camper in the front that has the back half o= pen with a slideout, so my pipedream is a portable performance area with fas= t connection so I can stream from the rest areas or wherever!! >=20 > Will send some pics sometime.=20 >=20 > Andy Owens > 1-800-AndyOwens > Sent from my iPhone > So the typing might not be my best! >=20 >=20 > On Dec 25, 2010, at 5:11 PM, "FRO DIDDLY" wrote: >=20 >> Howdy ya'll. >>=20 >> Merry x-mas and happy looping! >>=20 >> This is a long shot, but I have decided to purchase a box truck to replac= e my van for my touring needs. >> I've been scouring the net for days trying to find what I'm looking for, b= ut am not having the best luck. >> I figured since this list has members all over the states (and world), yo= u all might have some hints on local dealers that have a good inventory of b= ox trucks. Or maybe some random websites that I'm overlooking. >> I live in St. Louis, MO. I will happily fly & drive home with the excepti= on of the west coast & New England area. >>=20 >> What I'm looking for: >>=20 >> Preferably a 12ft DIESEL box truck. Will consider up to a 14ft. >> 5 speed transmission preferred, but not too picky. >> There must be a walk-through from the cab so I have access to the cargo f= rom inside the van. This seems to limit it to GMC/CHEVY/FORD as the Mitsubis= hi & Suziki trucks don't have this option. >> Minimum internal cargo width of 7ft. >> Cargo area must be flat, meaning no wheel well obstructions.=20 >> Although not necessary, a lift gate would be nice so long as it tucks awa= y under the truck.=20 >> Low miles preferred, but budget is $7500 max. >>=20 >> The plan is to turn it into my mobile rehearsal space so that I can conti= nue to grow as a musician & work on new songs as I tour the states playing s= hows. >> Currently in my van, with all the gear there is hardly enough room to sle= ep, yet alone practice. >>=20 >> Any help/suggestions greatly appreciated - unless its the voice of reason= telling me to bring less gear ;o) >>=20 >> ty! >>=20 >> The Wandering Madman=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-3--616103916 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 PGh0bWw+PGJvZHkgYmdjb2xvcj0iI0ZGRkZGRiI+PGRpdj5Pb3BzIGZvcmdvdCB0aGlzIGxpbms8 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Antomy ________________________________ From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 11:42:33 AM Subject: Re: TC-Helicon releases VoiceJam, audio looper for iOS On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 11:07 AM, wrote: > what's the point of having a looper on an iPhone? Looping acoustic sound on the go wherever you might be; on the bus, in the escalator on the way up to your work assignment, in the basement while doing the laundry, at the grocery store while examining fresh potatoes of the season... etc etc. What value you find in this is of course a highly personal matter :-) For a vocalist it might offer valuable practicing opportunities. Per --0-1690892084-1293372741=:29154 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
voice and potatoes, got it!

Antomy

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 11:42:33 AM
Subject: Re: TC-Helicon releases VoiceJam, audio looper for iOS

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 11:07 AM,  <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:
> what's the point of having a looper on an iPhone?

Looping acoustic sound on the go wherever you might be; on the bus, in
the escalator on the way up to your work assignment, in the basement
while doing the laundry, at the grocery store while examining fresh
potatoes of the season... etc etc. What value you find in this is of
course a highly personal matter :-)  For a vocalist it might offer
valuable practicing opportunities.

Per


--0-1690892084-1293372741=:29154-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 14:56:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33C6C183476; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:56:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_WIT3HGTs62NcJBafOSl9uA)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012260037 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-26_04:2010-12-25,2010-12-26,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <9F8F7E2D-D03F-448F-8045-0E63197A3757@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 07:56:00 -0700 References: <853238.19578.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EF51ED5C6BB4EC78E51FB51D0C3C854@ELUK1> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:56:03 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_WIT3HGTs62NcJBafOSl9uA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Amen to that... On Dec 26, 2010, at 4:49 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > > Hail the SoundCloud > > -Petri- > -- > Petri Lahtinen > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen > http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen > http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ > --------------------------------------------------- > "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert > Fripp- > --------------------------------------------------- > "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must > lead." -Charles Bukowski- > --Boundary_(ID_WIT3HGTs62NcJBafOSl9uA) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Amen to = that...
 
On Dec 26, 2010, at 4:49 AM, = Petri Lahtinen wrote:

Hail the = SoundCloud

-Petri-
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http://www.petrilahtinen.com
= http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.= com/
http://www.myspace.com/petri= lahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen=
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"Some = people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." = -Charles Bukowski-


= --Boundary_(ID_WIT3HGTs62NcJBafOSl9uA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 15:08:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3E2F183473; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--611190734 Message-Id: From: Revfever Subject: Re: Box truck Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 07:08:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=6.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RDNS_NONE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on host.newworlddelivery.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:08:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--611190734 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Some Friendly Advice Dept.- Best to get a truck that you know that YOU can work on for repairs (up to a certain point, at least) and also do YOUR OWN maintenance on. For the most part, it's not all that difficult and getting a GOOD service manual is a definite requirement, and if possible, the manual should be as close to an actual company's service tech manual as ya can find (or the real thing) and not just one of those cheap manuals that so many auto supply places have, although even those can be handy if nothing else can be had. Also, if ya can't lay yer hands on that high of a level of a manual (they can often be rather pricey to purchase but are worth the investment in the long run if ya can afford it ), then the reference dept / floors of many public libraries can often be a great source for being able to find those types of manuals and be able photocopy (or?) the info. In general, reference materials are not allowed to be checked out at public libraries. (Many of those materials are VERY expensive and the library cannot afford to be having to replace them should some jerks run off with them and never return them.) And then of course, there is always the Web to try to get info. But if yer broke down on the side of the highway 20 miles outside of BumPhucque, Wyoming, then reliance on the Web may not be a "viable option". :-) Plus, always carrying the various fluids that all vehicles need and some extra oil, water, and whatever, is also very advisable. And, definitely certain spare parts as well. Auto wrecking yards and similar are great resources for that stuff and what is found and purchased there are usually WAY LESS expensive than buying new parts, especially from company dealerships. There are various needed spare parts of course, but two that are PRIME in my book are a starter motor and an alternator, and of course whatever belts (and hoses) that a certain vehicle uses. Belts are generally not all that expensive, but they CAN get ya back on the road quickly should a previous belt break, which they WILL DO eventually. Also, keeping replacement bulbs for whatever is needed and also a spare headlight (or bulb) is wise too. The COPS love nothing more than to have the "excuse" of a burnt out tail / brake light, and *especially a license plate light*, to pull ya over and then go from there. As a general rule, I just go ahead replace just about all bulbs about once a year / year and half, or so, just to be on the safe side. (the cost for the basic bulbs my little Subie is usually under $10) The cost to do so is VERY LITTLE compared to the "alternative" of getting stopped and ticketed. (and...?) I also keep most the bulbs that were still working as spares should they unexpectedly be needed for whatever reason. There are other things that ya should try to keep on board too, and in a big ass truck that should be no prob to do so, but the above are good starters, for now. I am speaking from years of experience here since I am STILL driving my old 1987 (original owner, purchased in Feb 1988 as "last year's demo" model) and have paid FAR LESS to keep it going than most people do for most of those many years, since I have done most of my own maintenance and repairs. Saves a LOT of $$, and from a "Zen" perspective, it "puts you at one with" the vehicle which is helpful. :-) Hey, it's worked for me and for almost *23*(Skidoo) years now! And, it's another learning experience, which is always a good thing. I'm just sayin'... Cheers, Rev.Fever Portland,OR http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever >> On Dec 25, 2010, at 5:11 PM, "FRO DIDDLY" >> wrote: >> >>> Howdy ya'll. >>> >>> Merry x-mas and happy looping! >>> >>> This is a long shot, but I have decided to purchase a box truck >>> to replace my van for my touring needs. >>> I've been scouring the net for days trying to find what I'm >>> looking for, but am not having the best luck. >>> I figured since this list has members all over the states (and >>> world), you all might have some hints on local dealers that have >>> a good inventory of box trucks. Or maybe some random websites >>> that I'm overlooking. >>> I live in St. Louis, MO. I will happily fly & drive home with the >>> exception of the west coast & New England area. >>> >>> What I'm looking for: >>> >>> Preferably a 12ft DIESEL box truck. Will consider up to a 14ft. >>> 5 speed transmission preferred, but not too picky. >>> There must be a walk-through from the cab so I have access to the >>> cargo from inside the van. This seems to limit it to GMC/CHEVY/ >>> FORD as the Mitsubishi & Suziki trucks don't have this option. >>> Minimum internal cargo width of 7ft. >>> Cargo area must be flat, meaning no wheel well obstructions. >>> Although not necessary, a lift gate would be nice so long as it >>> tucks away under the truck. >>> Low miles preferred, but budget is $7500 max. >>> >>> The plan is to turn it into my mobile rehearsal space so that I >>> can continue to grow as a musician & work on new songs as I tour >>> the states playing shows. >>> Currently in my van, with all the gear there is hardly enough >>> room to sleep, yet alone practice. >>> >>> Any help/suggestions greatly appreciated - unless its the voice >>> of reason telling me to bring less gear ;o) >>> >>> ty! >>> >>> The Wandering Madman >>> >> --Apple-Mail-2--611190734 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Some Friendly Advice Dept.-

Best to get a = truck that you know that YOU can work on for repairs (up to a certain = point, at least) and also do YOUR OWN maintenance on. For the most part, = it's not all that difficult and getting a GOOD service manual is a = definite requirement, and if possible, the manual should be as close to = an actual company's service tech manual as ya can find (or the real = thing) 
and not just one of those cheap manuals that = so many auto supply places have, although even those can be handy if = nothing else can be had. Also, if ya can't lay yer hands on that high of = a level of a manual (they can often be rather pricey to purchase but are = worth the investment in the long run if ya can afford it ), then the = reference dept / floors of many public libraries can often be a great = source for being able to find those types of manuals and be able = photocopy (or?) the info. In general, reference materials are not = allowed to be checked out at public libraries. (Many of those materials = are VERY expensive and the library cannot afford to be having to replace = them should some jerks run off with them and never return = them.)

And then of course,  there is = always the Web to try to get info. But if yer broke down on the side of = the highway 20 miles outside of BumPhucque, Wyoming, then reliance on = the Web may not be a "viable option". :-) Plus, always carrying the = various fluids that all vehicles need and some extra oil, water, and = whatever, is also very advisable. And, definitely certain  spare = parts as well. Auto wrecking yards and similar are great resources = for that stuff and what is found and purchased there are usually WAY = LESS expensive than buying new parts, especially from company = dealerships. There are various needed spare parts of course, but two = that are PRIME in my book are a starter motor and an alternator, and of = course whatever belts (and hoses) that a certain vehicle uses. Belts are = generally not all that expensive, but they CAN get ya back on the road = quickly should a previous belt break, which they WILL DO = eventually. Also, keeping replacement bulbs for whatever is needed = and also a spare headlight (or bulb) is wise too. The COPS love nothing = more than to have the "excuse" of a burnt out  tail / brake light, = and *especially a license plate light*, to pull ya over and then go from = there. As a general rule, I just go ahead replace just about all bulbs = about once a year / year and half, or so, just to be on the safe side. = (the cost for the basic bulbs my little Subie is usually under = $10) The cost to do so is VERY LITTLE  compared to the = "alternative" of getting stopped and ticketed. (and...?) I also keep = most the bulbs that were still working as spares should they = unexpectedly be needed for whatever = reason.

There are other things that ya should = try to keep on board too, and in a big ass truck that should be no prob = to do so, but the above are good starters, for = now.

I am speaking from years of experience = here since I am STILL driving my old 1987 (original owner, purchased in = Feb 1988 as "last year's demo" model) and have paid FAR LESS  to = keep it going than most people do for most of those many years, since I = have done most of my own maintenance and repairs. Saves a LOT of $$, and = from a "Zen" perspective, 
it "puts you at one with" the = vehicle which is helpful. :-)  Hey, it's worked for me and for = almost *23*(Skidoo) years now!  
And, it's another = learning experience, which is always a good thing. I'm just = sayin'...

Rev.Fever
Portland,OR
On Dec 25, 2010, at 5:11 PM, "FRO = DIDDLY" <parispro00@hotmail.com> = wrote:

Howdy ya'll.

Merry x-mas and happy = looping!

This is a long shot, but I have decided to purchase a = box truck to replace my van for my touring needs.
I've been scouring = the net for days trying to find what I'm looking for, but am not having = the best luck.
I figured since this list has members all over the = states (and world), you all might have some hints on local dealers that = have a good inventory of box trucks. Or maybe some random websites that = I'm overlooking.
I live in St. Louis, MO. I will happily fly & = drive home with the exception of the west coast & New England = area.

What I'm looking for:

Preferably a 12ft DIESEL box = truck. Will consider up to a 14ft.
5 speed transmission preferred, = but not too picky.
There must be a walk-through from the cab so I = have access to the cargo from inside the van. This seems to limit it to = GMC/CHEVY/FORD as the Mitsubishi & Suziki trucks don't have this = option.
Minimum internal cargo width of 7ft.
Cargo area = must be flat, meaning no wheel well obstructions.
Although not = necessary, a lift gate would be nice so long as it tucks away under the = truck.
Low miles preferred, but budget is $7500 max.

The plan = is to turn it into my mobile rehearsal space so that I can continue to = grow as a musician & work on new songs as I tour the states playing = shows.
Currently in my van, with all the gear there is hardly enough = room to sleep, yet alone practice.

Any help/suggestions greatly = appreciated - unless its the voice of reason telling me to bring less = gear ;o)

ty!

The = Wandering Madman

=
=
= --Apple-Mail-2--611190734-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 15:11:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25B59183483; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012260038 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-26_04:2010-12-25,2010-12-26,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <47BF21A7-58A3-4335-83C1-11D10CE03DC0@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: Subject: Re: TC-Helicon releases VoiceJam, audio looper for iOS Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 08:11:32 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:11:35 +0000 (UTC) voice optimized processors sometimes work well with wind instruments - anybody tried it with a flute/ sax? On Dec 26, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Dustbunnies wrote: >> Lately, it seems TC-Helicon have been devoting quite a bit of >> attention to >> promoting Voice Looping (their VoiceLive Touch product, for >> instance). Now, >> they've come out with VoiceJam for the iPhone/iPad: >> >> http://www.tc-helicon.com/products/voicejam/ > > > According to the info on the site and the demo video it seems way more > fun than Loop that I have on my iPhone here. If I were a vocalist I > would buy and download it, but I'm not ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 15:20:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D68CC18347C; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RaVJhBvHH7fBpvtQgL0vYvq1N3SxLnQkMHm/EhmXZmc=; b=GaHQXJjjZTt64x3PWE2Uz6Yk48aNyBElpSo21hG6ZIdc1WVby4+BhE+GT5I0DYb6H0 9ZsbO3VQxsB5g+XsE2RXV3MXyQnsZ8Yw1b6KEsgz8ay0o13pnk9w9NTOgTgAExC8pM6K lRE52GFX1SJAFI+qZC9dyKf2lkM8LN6xGl0Pg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jkMVSwQcGENBSAJQFQux4HsqoBo9evb6u2J1/X23jryjJ8syzbO3cqggbR+TlVXYHZ YoQXFAZ18WZXkRX1rJJtD+9DPbsv5aC5lCDT6yvdKS2GYE5xP1neqc/KAUUAF+dUm4uT ZnEIsfu1AQd9he7RwVR6mZ5XOVw82uwlyBwa4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9F8F7E2D-D03F-448F-8045-0E63197A3757@mac.com> References: <853238.19578.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EF51ED5C6BB4EC78E51FB51D0C3C854@ELUK1> <9F8F7E2D-D03F-448F-8045-0E63197A3757@mac.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 17:20:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00248c05002fbc40d3049851c137 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:20:18 +0000 (UTC) --00248c05002fbc40d3049851c137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And updated my signature, MySpace deleted from there too... :-) Though with a signature like this, youre most likely to get zero click-throughs.. I never bother to click people's signature links... -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- --00248c05002fbc40d3049851c137 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And updated my signature, MySpace deleted from there too... :-)
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--00248c05002fbc40d3049851c137-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 15:39:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A54E2183485; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 546177028/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.74/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.74 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0CABbxFk1V0rZK/2dsb2JhbAAMlgzMF4JqgmAEjhWCfg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,231,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="546177028" Message-ID: <4D1761CD.80303@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:39:57 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP videos? References: <4D170B3C.22056.38FAEA@nick.1957.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D170B3C.22056.38FAEA@nick.1957.me.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2UiZ4.A.McC.OH2FNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:39:58 +0000 (UTC) nick@12testing.net wrote: > I'm just surprised by the almost total lack of "how to do it" videos. > I'm not a RTFM criminal - > However, I'm still finding it hard going. I suspect some effects > require parameters that prevent other effects? It would be handy if > there were a list of "to get this effect, you need these parameters > set" type information. at the moment , best I can do is this http://www.mathons.com/EDP-texts.zip a collection of the relevant posts on LD after loop4 was released. Most of the stuff I do uses the factory settings plus: MoreLoops=2 RecordMode=SAF RoundMode=On SwitchQuant=CnF MuteMode=StA SamplerStyle=StA InsertMode=RPL With midi control, in addition to the 7 standard edp buttons I use the other 3 switches in a bank of 10 to control Halfspeed Reverse Substitute > Is it sensible to set up one type of effect, then add it to a preset > for later recall? yes >There are times when I want next loop to contain > audio, others not - rather than change these parameters by midi (if > you can!), I assume a preset would cover it? yes, but a much better way to do that is to set SwitchQuant=CnF Those AutoRecord and Loopcopy params won't do anything once there's already audio in the destination loop. Unless you're desperate to "only press one button" they can be safely ignored. You *can* change params by midi, but only the Gordius LG can do Sysex in the way that's needed. It causes a slight dropout in the sound while the commands are processed. > > One last question - re. using "undo" with windowing" - is there a > "redo" option, so you can take the window forwards as well as > backwards? no, but you can "save" a loop by copying it with Next>Mult > I guess I also need to put my money where my mouth is and record a > few tutorial videos! why is video the preferred format?(just wondering) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 16:33:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A7E618347B; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ITWdpEzVKw06XkZrv2A7XqKMKn7uvL+Gjtc0+OP7Iog=; b=mIM6tIKmI0PAaKH6BKAv5lmM2o1U38OB49llkHEFEPANjSsyyXhDU/V3CIyKDzU8XU N2M+ziRm47V2Wqxy67RLSx06SpTY5IkrY/gmhQjY40klNKfhFyvfXTgWRRwoZkj5jer9 HsyFDaJHxsJNQxwOIoeoG2citUvkRm9GsLXZ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xfB8gsywkrEuJBZYkcEHdebRCaz6UHZxjJpZFagyLl9Weg/LKSWDxYy3Q5LPWjZC/v 3AnqRbbZqmXXbenlMxRYHvw7VFZoM4TbNx6ETUbqGZYhviNRzi3My4fjy0HqcZOkQwcg t/Rdj5WzVMWTgK7er/ouhTXdjMno6c5MleLMs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D1761CD.80303@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4D170B3C.22056.38FAEA@nick.1957.me.uk> <4D1761CD.80303@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:33:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP videos? From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Reading Andre Lafosse's EDP analysis page makes me want to buy an EDP... I'm grateful for mobius, it releives the GAS. Lots of interesting info and techniques to try out: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/ Sylvain On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 10:39 AM, andy butler wrote: > nick@12testing.net wrote: > >> I'm just surprised by the almost total lack of "how to do it" videos. I'm >> not a RTFM criminal - > >> However, I'm still finding it hard going. I suspect some effects require >> parameters that prevent other effects? It would be handy if there were a >> list of "to get this effect, you need these parameters set" type >> information. > > at the moment , best I can do is this > > http://www.mathons.com/EDP-texts.zip > > a collection of the relevant posts on LD after loop4 was released. > > > Most of the stuff I do uses the factory settings plus: > > MoreLoops=2 > RecordMode=SAF RoundMode=On > SwitchQuant=CnF > MuteMode=StA > SamplerStyle=StA > InsertMode=RPL > > With midi control, in addition to the 7 standard edp buttons I > use the other 3 switches in a bank of 10 to control > > Halfspeed > Reverse > Substitute > >> Is it sensible to set up one type of effect, then add it to a preset for >> later recall? > > yes > >> There are times when I want next loop to contain audio, others not - >> rather than change these parameters by midi (if you can!), I assume a preset >> would cover it? > > yes, but a much better way to do that is > to set > SwitchQuant=CnF > > Those AutoRecord and Loopcopy params won't do anything > once there's already audio in the destination loop. > Unless you're desperate to "only press one button" > they can be safely ignored. > > You *can* change params by midi, but only the Gordius LG > can do Sysex in the way that's needed. > It causes a slight dropout in the sound while the commands are processed. > >> >> One last question - re. using "undo" with windowing" - is there a "redo" >> option, so you can take the window forwards as well as backwards? > > no, > but you can "save" a loop by copying it with Next>Mult > >> I guess I also need to put my money where my mouth is and record a few >> tutorial videos! > > why is video the preferred format?(just wondering) > > andy butler > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 18:44:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65E40183456; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 18:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293389095; bh=aeu2KjIbQ+UyPYTLx1n8Er9ooDd9cXfpo55g7ybNemk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WlmogvhywoDc1Wzt3lIgKP7Iq3/G7XfpdlBY8ODyEiC+HCSrcLA3Kg1xJY+m1QnXId4CN1SqJoOYU1Qu2/9rTrmuPB6rsnWkCG3acY0EJYi7TZpSAc0a5kyjbCmI8pu3vHwdgntUZgrouULo5THFSboW+jSYjmSCBZcvC4LA9RE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RbGa73sxd03LXhcA9+q4h8z1BAMHugfbgYoSAtIli3fG3VedbWDYurvA45I33X0+15GuuTYdESbwE4h21J0lV4/lkcQ6aN32V4Z7dt/Akdcci5cdIm215oIJQYG3KCXUaJXP1pMeMHhzLF/tDePm7Sec7tZYn3wN0GLtZDWQYEo=; Message-ID: <527079.4212.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: yu4RKT0VM1klnEPeOIjNiELM8WRKHxGGg6FRONknpJl.6jZ qcWxW15aJ7a7mQjYdjc5CkyJAZiK_KYYWMxNm59Prlt0hy2kk43lkp8eQfRt PtO_d3QTEfnjQIGuoVt8x2ipCESUosEPMwQzawYh_brtecpNlUpZKknCGMdN QJGBInFT2XjnU4MjAhQI1px0QqInLb0Nk9S_sxUR8tA70XriuDRmac1O6TaI PsWyGdoQBmPeqcO0ENZlavryZgZlB.aOs2dnkJwI29c7nl03mhoaPNxQM0.B neeNwxGA3sReuZkPrKNWLDZsIoJeyXuZHm8HP X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <4D16E06A.2040205@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:44:55 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Klein and Hummel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D16E06A.2040205@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="855259926-628163386-1293389095=:4212" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 18:44:57 +0000 (UTC) --855259926-628163386-1293389095=:4212 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii does anybody on the list have experience with Klein and Hummel studio monitors Antony ________________________________ From: Bill Fox To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List ; beyond_em Yahoogroups List ; spacemusic Yahoogroups List ; Ambient Way Yahoogroups List ; Loopers Delight Mailing List ; AIMusic Yahoogroup Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 7:27:54 AM Subject: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends Since MySpace forced all band profiles into migrating to the "New MySpace" band profile; for calling that an upgrade; for making that forced migration nothing less than excruciating, like a cystoscopy without numbing agent; for never listening to the true needs of its users; for trying to be Facebook and Twitter all rolled into one; for taking away the capabilities of old MySpace that we liked; for running audio ads when we want to get directly to listening to a music player; for destroying all the work we did in old MySpace so we can't migrate it over to New MySpace; for making HTML boxes that don't fully observe HTML... We should all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in protest. Please RSVP in support of this protest movement at http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a MySpace profile and agree with or support the cause. Cheers, Bill --855259926-628163386-1293389095=:4212 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
does anybody on the list have experience with Klein and Hummel studio monitors

Antony

From: Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us>
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Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 7:27:54 AM
Subject: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends

Since MySpace forced all band profiles into migrating to the "New MySpace" band profile; for calling that an upgrade; for making that forced migration nothing less than excruciating, like a cystoscopy without numbing agent; for never listening to the true needs of its users; for trying to be Facebook and Twitter all rolled into one; for taking away the capabilities of old MySpace that we liked; for running audio ads when we want to get directly to listening to a music player; for destroying all the work we did in old MySpace so we can't migrate it over to New MySpace; for making HTML boxes that don't fully observe HTML...

We should all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in protest.  Please RSVP in support of this protest movement at http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a MySpace profile and agree with or support the cause.

Cheers,

Bill


--855259926-628163386-1293389095=:4212-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 21:34:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22341183459; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D17B4C3.4010503@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:33:55 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: TC-Helicon releases VoiceJam, audio looper for iOS References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:34:03 +0000 (UTC) I bought it immediately and then discovered to my chagrin that it asks for me to plug in a microphone. When I plug in a Blue Mic (which uses the multi-pin connector on the iTouch/iPhone) and record all things are hunky dory but when I take the Blue Mic out so I can connect my iTouch with speaker or headphones out, the App throws up a dialogue box that says 'plug in microphone' and prevents you from playing the loops you've just created. This is my critique of the Blue Mic as well............while plugged in you cannot have speaker out connected to anything. Frustrating but I guess all of this stuff is in it's infancy so they're still trying to get it right. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 21:35:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5192918345B; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D17B51B.70903@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:35:23 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Reyn Ouwehand CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Ok, back on topic, shoe question? References: <0EF3E3A8-F5D5-405C-881E-6CC3FA14EF4B@reyn.net> In-Reply-To: <0EF3E3A8-F5D5-405C-881E-6CC3FA14EF4B@reyn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:35:30 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > Agreed! I always wear Converses when I play live too, and they look good too!.. > > Cheers, > > Reyn. > I just knew we were brothers, Reyn! This merely confirms it. Merry Christmas to ya! rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 21:47:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BEB3183459; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=v6ldVC+bw3CYxAiRYd6w9N7ogx5M4cxaX2OU02diNg4=; b=YEfe645CnKfoiIbWwFsnn5eksZTLnefBre88O9kOKi4XSoUboWFb9cje3/V5q1bhlr njSC/GybC6HLyH/Dcbkw2cx7kKRWvdH4nRVHsyG5iZd2iXq91Y9S+p9+MGCsAXJ3nTN4 tHRUaiid9XOKVtQrTwz9UDwy0+H5sG+BCqoXE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer :x-mimeole; b=EWbp5PSbnzueUKLR99dVukPh6ot2SOWsMb2NHZgBAKa9dKZ+mkyZdz9r/qPFKCfgU6 k5ltSa/c70e25lgPYnBRAStNxQ7cSVoah0xGsSD01CbP0Q0R1sXTIuVNA1EUuzSHhVMK q1nvenG6MVgsFU8oWGZBC5+UQXj7iwJTsbnDE= Message-ID: <72AE101813184B48B0532E3314DAADB0@PCvansimon> From: "projektGmail" To: References: <4D16E06A.2040205@soundscapes.us> <527079.4212.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <527079.4212.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Klein and Hummel Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 22:47:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01CBA54E.E187DA00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Dit is een meerdelig bericht in de MIME-indeling. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CBA54E.E187DA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Our latest CD is mastered on Klein and Hummel monitors. The guy who mastered our CD has a pair. But they are very expensive. They sound very natural. You can listen to our album at Bandcamp: = http://projekt67.bandcamp.com/album/dat-ik-niets-heb Simon=20 www.projekt67.com From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 7:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Klein and Hummel does anybody on the list have experience with Klein and Hummel studio = monitors Antony -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: Bill Fox To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List ; = beyond_em Yahoogroups List ; spacemusic = Yahoogroups List ; Ambient Way Yahoogroups = List ; Loopers Delight Mailing List = ; AIMusic Yahoogroup = Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 7:27:54 AM Subject: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends Since MySpace forced all band profiles into migrating to the "New = MySpace" band profile; for calling that an upgrade; for making that = forced migration nothing less than excruciating, like a cystoscopy = without numbing agent; for never listening to the true needs of its = users; for trying to be Facebook and Twitter all rolled into one; for = taking away the capabilities of old MySpace that we liked; for running = audio ads when we want to get directly to listening to a music player; = for destroying all the work we did in old MySpace so we can't migrate it = over to New MySpace; for making HTML boxes that don't fully observe = HTML... We should all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in = protest. Please RSVP in support of this protest movement at = http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a MySpace profile and agree with or = support the cause. Cheers, Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CBA54E.E187DA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Our latest CD is mastered on Klein and Hummel monitors.
The guy who mastered our CD has a pair. But they are very = expensive.
They sound very natural.
You can listen to our album at Bandcamp: http://proj= ekt67.bandcamp.com/album/dat-ik-niets-heb
 
Simon
www.projekt67.com
 
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 7:44 PM
Subject: Klein and Hummel
 
does anybody on the list have experience with Klein and Hummel = studio=20 monitors
 
Antony
 
From: Bill Fox=20 <billyfox@soundscapes.us>
To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups = List=20 <ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com>; beyond_em Yahoogroups List=20 <beyond_em@yahoogroups.com>; spacemusic Yahoogroups List=20 <spacemusic@yahoogroups.com>; Ambient Way Yahoogroups List=20 <the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com>; Loopers Delight Mailing List=20 <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>; AIMusic Yahoogroup=20 <AIMusic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 = 7:27:54=20 AM
Subject: [OT] = Delete Tom=20 Anderson From Your MySpace Friends

Since MySpace forced = all band=20 profiles into migrating to the "New MySpace" band profile; for calling = that an=20 upgrade; for making that forced migration nothing less than = excruciating, like a=20 cystoscopy without numbing agent; for never listening to the true needs = of its=20 users; for trying to be Facebook and Twitter all rolled into one; for = taking=20 away the capabilities of old MySpace that we liked; for running audio = ads when=20 we want to get directly to listening to a music player; for destroying = all the=20 work we did in old MySpace so we can't migrate it over to New MySpace; = for=20 making HTML boxes that don't fully observe HTML...

We = should all=20 spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in protest.  = Please RSVP=20 in support of this protest movement at http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a MySpace profile = and agree=20 with or support the = cause.

Cheers,

Bill

 
------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CBA54E.E187DA00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 21:48:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F72B183456; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012260087 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-26_06:2010-12-25,2010-12-26,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <4D17B4C3.4010503@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: TC-Helicon releases VoiceJam, audio looper for iOS Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:48:49 -0700 References: <4D17B4C3.4010503@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <3iC0sB.A.DOF.Dh7FNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Found the same thing but did have usable results by wearing the iphone on a neck strap and letting the iphone mic pic up the direct audio from my recorder(flute). Line out from iphone to amp worked fine. I'm guessing I would probably use it (like I use the SFS app) for acoustic gigs and use the iphone/looping to provide some undercurrent to the acoustic sound by running it into a little Roland battery powered cube. The only pain is having to stop playing to manipulate the interface - wish somebody would come up with a simple long delay app: adjustable feedback and a hold button...... On Dec 26, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I bought it immediately and then > discovered to my chagrin > that it asks for me to plug in a microphone. > > When I plug in a Blue Mic (which uses the multi-pin connector on the > iTouch/iPhone) > and record all things are hunky dory > but when I take the Blue Mic out so I can connect my iTouch > with speaker or headphones out, the App throws up a > dialogue box that says 'plug in microphone' and prevents you > from playing the loops you've just created. > > This is my critique of the Blue Mic as well............while plugged > in you cannot have speaker out connected to anything. > > Frustrating but I guess all of this stuff is in it's infancy so > they're > still trying to get it right. > > rick walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 21:52:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23870183459; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 640708.80484.bm@omp1009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=YEixnGl94xueTC6m4VFmiL8rklGPExxwxdkRPD3agriBz65FYZYNDHbwHS1DCb+fpuIlw+98wYxO/x2LIgS+tiXLLcBNI18lZQcBfjiqXb1tkZjpHeBzlsYV+IliYxwTJO5+iLRbsPPvWcDCG/F4lFViLNjwoJDNB6BJN0WCQ0w= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1293400333; bh=XKcRMpFhW9VuOWfgiHYeotB2V8QTgg2SiKNAuXb9xWE=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=DUBr/fVbKNoLxqJwvTH6P4maj0FpDa7Nfq6xJp3HD/equ1iL1XFboVsw0ozeTKesg3Mq83nQev3rXQGvZ00etoUJfzFsglm1PXVdyqyk6hBbPGPpJnxxSgCj4tqFAzjO7KVzM9djgfYaKZZ0+2DlPN5hiyzJJvoPoyzuLiNrG6o= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: 3zxgn3sVM1mW3O2b5SClFkifzu6kjtY87S2CEcSPSgKapLL 6yxoyk4TdF8bSSx1ahLPAUz0ARq6W9lfeycoc8QqqZ4WSgwQPANsJYAtx1Yj 2.tVnCIaexW7oOPxkr9zK5_3YRyT.DY7wjOwcNkj0_VYQfnA9x7XlMu2G3Rj LnkGgsQwncieipICMsniJn8wHchwRaITdFhYmy.sEDd3PnqllyJ.66UwrK8a 5_oUF4eypdJJvBG.F5FwKRRvKduOO9nA8sOl.QfuzWVhJYqwr_rsIcM.k.YR wnrieCx0.ozs3j5ojzkk- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--586969130 From: Matt Stevens Subject: OT - Mahavishnu live footage Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:52:06 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:52:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--586969130 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed AMAZING - best MO live footage yet to surface online http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqfjMDOr-tU&feature=player_embedded Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com --Apple-Mail-3--586969130 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII AMAZING - best MO live footage yet to surface online http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEqfjMDOr-tU&feature=3Dplaye= r_embedded

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= --Apple-Mail-3--586969130-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 26 23:28:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5603F183459; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 721 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:28:35 UTC X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBA552.EF77B292" Subject: RE: Numerology 3... Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:14:04 -0700 Message-ID: <5BF53AE74B45EC419571294BDA5C898301E5B90E@ex2mainsvr.coa.cabq.lcl> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <5BF53AE74B45EC419571294BDA5C898301E5B90E@ex2mainsvr.coa.cabq.lcl> Thread-Topic: Numerology 3... Thread-Index: Acuk5LIMb0dgPn/uSWWCgBArT1+3xAAbeTdN References: <20101226100720.0C42A183483@hemlock.violacea.com> From: "Fink, Jason E." To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2010 23:16:33.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF751480:01CBA552] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-10.0.0.1412-6.500.1024-17856.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--22.434800-8.000000-31 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:28:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBA552.EF77B292 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Guys, Jim, Numerology developer, had a comment on the recent discussion: > -----Original Message----- > > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Sun 12/26/2010 1:50 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Numerology 3... > > Numerology AU > I am not too excited by the AU, because this plugin misses out of what > I find most cool with Numerology; the possibility for "discrete > sequencing". When working with rhythmic riffs and melody lines I'm a > big fan of creating loops of accent that cycle at a different length > than the tonal loops formed by notes. This can't be done with the > Numerology AU plugin. [developer barging in] Actually this not the case, both the SE and Pro versions of the=20 Numerology AU allow you to setup discrete sequencing chains --=20 The AU hosts all modules that the app does except for AU plugins. This bit of confusion is all my own doing: I originally stated (on = five12.net) that the SE version of the Numerology plugin would not allow access to the module = routing panel -- something that is necessary to setup the "discrete sequencing" stuff. However, I found that workflow to be too much of a disconnect = from the app version, so that limitation does not exist in the shipping = plugin. 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looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F26C183458; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 00:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D17D995.2000402@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:11:01 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sylvain Poitras CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: EDP videos? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 00:11:10 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Reading Andre Lafosse's EDP analysis page makes me want to buy an > EDP... I'm grateful for mobius, it releives the GAS. I have two EDPs for sale for what it is worth. One black face, one white face, both with foot controllers, full memory and both with Loop IV. I'm entertaining reasonable offers plus shipping costs to wherever. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 00:28:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 349E7183455; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 00:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XhrGCyrdWb3XNR8NonqLpTBLdelmj1YV6bYSJJ6gZ8g=; b=JmUpwzUXB7at9QJsy3OAsxK4JBbQrw938jaGG+vxttyiuxavuPjnnrRRe8d/I5fBeB BhU9hTA3F0FIbwlwqCYEdUHcA+J54TN4DaL7iqkaRvf6epQYPUnRp8h0NNVXYW7a7VZi 1nGZqXpp5/zxB3QCn06Yms3jmjaegod7HTSzc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=vCztE+uPl1o6cGBZdBKNBdmE0i5594OSX5gntzBoBKpBgHE86GTm8/QbDUTkEK82e1 dzpe+ioPnPpiecqgzqh/HNFujpK7+7vQHGphPXPavCHyDGORepsk1YtFdtBqSq0bvzSf 1ugPXYKwjje105F/g05gVgNJgjsjUMfzU0Peg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:27:58 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT - Mahavishnu live footage From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325575c167544c80498596879 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 00:27:59 +0000 (UTC) --000325575c167544c80498596879 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Very Cool! I love it! Billy Cobham and Jan Hammer are so cool. But there is something about John McLaughlin's mannerism that bugs me. Maybe it's the white clothes and short hair, or maybe just the level of serenity and confidence he's obtained. I blasted this stuff over my car stereo as teenager over and over again. Wonderful. On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Matt Stevens < mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote: > AMAZING - best MO live footage yet to surface online > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqfjMDOr-tU&feature=player_embedded > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon --000325575c167544c80498596879 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very Cool! I love it!

Billy Cobham and Jan Hammer are so cool. But t= here is something about John McLaughlin's mannerism that bugs me. Maybe= it's the white clothes and short hair, or maybe just the level of sere= nity and confidence he's obtained.

I blasted this stuff over my car stereo as teenager over and over again= . Wonderful.


= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --403450488-1843872273-1293433155=:40682-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 07:07:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51A89183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293433653; bh=guv6WxC4foLjsUR7gWEptPNAa5yBNz4pkNSRjFGk7WY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jEDx3trIzByYph++mZAs3ks6jFkktvBh9Tw5JelezKQI9RVjhkuRe8xcxAQqIjtAbp+t8SMUj+KBTZ9dHFVQ5uDhIhx3Cn9nTdEyKQN9n9CZiL+EXlH43MYc0I7LcXWzZ+cEGZ9DsQJIFBQjN3Orsl04Y4Uc8CBUyLvOP7KXVuo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=u6+NNxZUeJwKApHeuQspznc4Y7R2LFPkAEOSc+w4eyNeacAwK5rZF9Zkj41Givosg8PFv3GFM6Qicaq20SA6AQPiyNnXlyBfJFuyi7WXmpHlk3mE99WtMz3fDfNFrE03FusgpFMyPXtrXVypHYZ96O7X5GbzNFeun0iVdgKHFu0=; Message-ID: <733959.68464.qm@web120713.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Ig4V4vMVM1l9Hi12951hAiyGVsiFTY0f0MVtbphhwFBovWM GudLYKev8C168wiJiHWxFqjNj0sv8jv6PkMRqIjKErdQIB116EMaAfAlxFJ2 eAsnf4OEMssSRzaz1HmcRaKRFB4Ou1YJHkUsR3GTmEwHic1e0x2.tFV2dfyO JDU92HrnUXSp_zbGwXMhhJ0QYLhlAi_7V74qWP6MurvuYR2TojmltEdEQH4U gHRmj2xw7eD9y7m3xq9IqhsMsofRB_5WsFxwT.zyV8LpK6dxS_l6Am.qBe23 8F.kAAZZiO05Y9Ddpu.DNzQDZ7HZcPTyuPV.F X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:07:33 -0800 (PST) From: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: Klein and Hummel To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1394037985-1293433653=:68464" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:07:35 +0000 (UTC) --0-1394037985-1293433653=:68464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for th=E9 input. Will listen to th=E9 album tonight. =0AAntony=0A= =0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn 2010-12-26, at 22:47, "projektGmail" wrote:=0A=0AOur latest CD is mastered on Klein and Hummel mo= nitors.=0AThe guy who mastered our CD has a pair. But they are very expensi= ve.=0AThey sound very natural.=0AYou can listen to our album at Bandcamp: h= ttp://projekt67.bandcamp.com/album/dat-ik-niets-heb=0A =0ASimon=0Awww.proje= kt67.com=0A =0AFrom: antonyhequet@yahoo.com=0ASent: Sunday, December 26, 20= 10 7:44 PM=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASubject: Klein and H= ummel=0A =0Adoes anybody on the list have experience with Klein and Hummel = studio monitors=0A =0AAntony=0A =0AFrom: Bill Fox = =0ATo: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List ; = beyond_em Yahoogroups List ; spacemusic Yahoogro= ups List ; Ambient Way Yahoogroups List ; Loopers Delight Mailing List ; AIMusic Yahoogroup =0ASent: S= un, December 26, 2010 7:27:54 AM=0ASubject: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Y= our MySpace Friends=0A=0ASince MySpace forced all band profiles into migrat= ing to the "New MySpace" band profile; for calling that an upgrade; for mak= ing that forced migration nothing less than excruciating, like a cystoscopy= without numbing agent; for never listening to the true needs of its users;= for trying to be Facebook and Twitter all rolled into one; for taking away= the capabilities of old MySpace that we liked; for running audio ads when = we want to get directly to listening to a music player; for destroying all = the work we did in old MySpace so we can't migrate it over to New MySpace; = for making HTML boxes that don't fully observe HTML...=0A=0AWe should all s= pend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in protest. Please RSVP i= n support of this protest movement at http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a M= ySpace profile and agree with or support the cause.=0A=0ACheers,=0A=0ABill= =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A --0-1394037985-1293433653=:68464 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you for th=E9 input. Will listen= to th=E9 album tonight. 
Antony

Sent from my = iPhone

On 2010-12-26, at 22:47, "projektGmail" <projekt67@gmail.com> wrote:

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You can listen to our album at Bandcamp: <= a title=3D"http://projekt67.bandcamp.com/album/dat-ik-niets-heb" href=3D"ht= tp://projekt67.bandcamp.com/album/dat-ik-niets-heb">http://projekt67.bandcamp.com/alb= um/dat-ik-niets-heb
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Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 7:44 PM
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=0AFrom: Bill Fox =0A<billyfox@soundscapes.us>
To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List= =0A<ElectronicMusic@= yahoogroups.com>; beyond_em Yahoogroups List =0A<beyond_em@yahoogroups.com>; spacemusic = Yahoogroups List =0A<space= music@yahoogroups.com>; Ambient Way Yahoogroups List =0A<the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com= >; Loopers Delight Mailing List =0A<Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>; AIMu= sic Yahoogroup =0A<AIMusic@ya= hoogroups.com>
Sent:<= /b> Sun, December 26, 2010 7:27:54 =0AAM
Subject: [OT] Delete Tom =0AAnderson From Your MySpace Fri= ends

Since MySpace forced all band =0Aprofiles into migrating= to the "New MySpace" band profile; for calling that an =0Aupgrade; for mak= ing that forced migration nothing less than excruciating, like a =0Acystosc= opy without numbing agent; for never listening to the true needs of its =0A= users; for trying to be Facebook and Twitter all rolled into one; for takin= g =0Aaway the capabilities of old MySpace that we liked; for running audio = ads when =0Awe want to get directly to listening to a music player; for des= troying all the =0Awork we did in old MySpace so we can't migrate it over t= o New MySpace; for =0Amaking HTML boxes that don't fully observe HTML...
We should all =0Aspend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Frien= ds in protest.  Please RSVP =0Ain support of this protest movement at = http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a MySpace profile and = agree =0Awith or support the cause.

Cheers,

Bill
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=0A=0A --0-1394037985-1293433653=:68464-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 07:16:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6887618347A; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: Subject: RE: OT - Mahavishnu live footage Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 08:16:36 +0100 Message-ID: <821B793F223641C69EAF07B103A7CC09@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcullDx3YY+JMO8qT16Hu7WYyaV8SwAAY7Sg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:16:40 +0000 (UTC) > something about John McLaughlin's mannerism that bugs me. Maybe it's the white clothes and short hair, or maybe just the level of serenity and confidence he's obtained. you mean, his serenity and confidence is a mannerism? :) or does it bug you if someone is really serene and confident? just wondering -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 07:17:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4245518345B; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:17:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 717 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:17:09 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=I4LBMh5U79WANMxwkmOzDk4cawt2hg+vnfRR872DkrokESgBmddgzFvYIrlVmnmr; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:05:10 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec790a10982e9c9d515f8c54793d0c8e4046350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 97.90.119.204 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:17:10 +0000 (UTC) iPad with a ton of music apps. Jaw on floor=85 dpc On Dec 26, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Grant wrote: > OK, fess up! What did you get yourself, er I mean, what did Santa =20 > bring you this year? > > G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 08:31:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B38C3183457; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 08:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1168 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 08:31:38 UTC Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <15508334.1935.1293434240836.JavaMail.root@m01> In-Reply-To: <15508334.1935.1293434240836.JavaMail.root@m01> Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 01:10:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 Resent-Message-ID: <_TLVPD.A.cvE.r7EGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 08:31:39 +0000 (UTC) 2001 Honda CRF450R and accessories to trick it out.....whoops, I guess that's not looping gear. :) But I do plan to use Max/MSP to loop the sound of my bike the next time I shoot a video of myself. K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 09:02:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0632A183451; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=65lgLbn70hI4dz+erxCDUh+r0UT6Wd7Cxt0DFOSjBBs=; b=mXOX0HQ2gkRdh/SJ1+UMlK4e0zHUVddQxtfbm3Zf3mvl4G6cyHZviQQWn2tyUMxvnz 6aeun76T1Wro2oZmxJ6SV78gYUJ8Sh/s4CqPwm+qSL4rXY3XfkmtY1jLajVSghaO99s/ ZJKweLTGgbaylDjF3peZP/PIz0CnQmz2NJrh0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pC3eBGTEDLvPIQu/iM52oVWNxTWhq56u9FGA83/YQWuvgVYa9PEpA8PM3MpsJkWc7t bRq40BT/5BK6YnUg0t2EuEcUItcoewA5xnS+QVrH3nDaNj23RFZagPkENseH5OECftn2 ULSIEavTtLqYjCP3+K9UI2UqMqN+RK1G4J8KE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:02:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT - Mahavishnu live footage From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <1KFHwD.A.VXF.LYFGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:02:04 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Matt Stevens wrote: > AMAZING - best MO live footage yet to surface > online=C2=A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEqfjMDOr-tU&feature=3Dplayer= _embedded That was awesome! Thanks for hinting, Matt. I bought the vinyl live album Between Nothingness Eternity some time around the early mid seventies. It was second hand and I had to increase the pickup weight a lot to have the needle stay in track, but I never cared because the live audio fidelity was so crappy anyway that a brand new LP wouldn't sound much better ;-)) But the music on that live album was fantastic! I understand Art's point about "mannerism" and think it might have to do with assuming that John wasn't very original when dressing in Indian inspired white shirts etc since aping India was kind of "the in thing" at the time. But, as Michael remarked, John seems to have always been truly sincere inside all that; the attitude to music making as a prayer is something I totally agree with. When watching Johns activities from a distance against the background of "the general sheep mob" one could easily take him for one of them. I had similar bugs, back in the days (luckily such narrow perspectives washed off by time), regarding Carlos Santana when he too showed up "dressed in that Indian night shirt". I don't mind today though, although I still think Eric Clapton's white suite looked cooler. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 09:31:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA5FB183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=U5I3fOz9WfL2UwD0TNEtUG24EeWGRHEoHcyt9iX6pOE=; b=omNo20iT2Voywv74gJ/DkhmewRAkJaEJYtACwHd3oHlrSqFJUuR57f2OoVfEfOGDw+ dZgeyh7ztVXe5K5Aa3SjPjUb99U4KFEMKKiXP4EGPqQdAu5zzGeew3tFDh34r+ui+DAD W+J7wJ8+rofPzKVz3oBohfI4GqW7DsFj0QtO4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=eRfKmUuHRs2owUsrqsRNDSteF7w/aZg+J79lDwROZ06b1qdWDRaoUW21ySOXeIHRe2 JTTcV1xjo3QfSZI/sIJzhJMIhYqQyNoPaSZPJckOX2zp7BAuXcRT9LLfl6WJmnOA1iYS 999dFx9h4ogGUER6TeG9IwiexPmStGxvFdZuU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5077076.1293416306753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <5077076.1293416306753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:31:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:31:57 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Grant wrote: > OK, fess up! What did you get yourself, er I mean, what did Santa bring you this year? Socializing. Visiting my parents, which is great! Me and two sons get to hang a bit with ex-wife's nephew, niece and related folks. And I finally managed to grab some time to mock up my dream looper for laptop rig: http://www.looproom.com/dream_looper.png Based on tempo master Mobius in synced Mainstage it runs four loop channels with effects both pre and post loop. Input section trimmed for dual channel Stick input or mono flute input. The dual Stick patches also work fine with my dual output two channel guitar (Shadow Nanomag acoustic pickup vs the usual electro magnetic humbuckers). The screenshot shows only the few screen clickable functions, but when using the Gordius control pedal I access more functions and don't need that screen. The underlying looping context is not very different from the EDP/Repeater/Filterbank monster rack I used a decade ago but it is very nice to set the limitations yourself instead of having to adapt your creativity to a given hardware design. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 10:10:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62664183458; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TOJUjV61FjY6IaX8EkXF2qw4SV8DvWS93988RjcI2dM=; b=o+CcWtEM/YrCt6XtVDdZy9IH/W5RqA1t6SShaFmOr2qjiYQJsrTtCEtARIIpvtJWtf 7XsjPo9sdxsMxLl54ZirlUbDjR2udwLbmkqixGxBgmZbVpH+Xjzi70De1nYneN1MS8gq 9Eavcpp0UVXzCi4QaXTnrl01TU+TR/3VQgxVE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=O58587YxnNlIyEqvN+VCEeJxL3bC1oU2OUKjdu43gRrUQNOjk6aeY304MFcFsICgaq RGoDb1yEZOeybjVL0r9gKbjWnnAGpCDfBD4kQ0xrntOqkNm8aqFGEA2wLVQnBKgPd8vM m2ZImg9uHgOuJDga8ZutL16CzWqSFosm5mZjk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5077076.1293416306753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:10:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747c136125df80498618cfc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:10:38 +0000 (UTC) --00151747c136125df80498618cfc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 a digital kawai piano,something ive been wanting for a long time thoughmy kids are taking over but is still a pleasure to see them wanting to play it. merry X-mas Luis On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Grant > wrote: > > OK, fess up! What did you get yourself, er I mean, what did Santa bring > you this year? > > Socializing. Visiting my parents, which is great! Me and two sons get > to hang a bit with ex-wife's nephew, niece and related folks. And I > finally managed to grab some time to mock up my dream looper for > laptop rig: > http://www.looproom.com/dream_looper.png > > Based on tempo master Mobius in synced Mainstage it runs four loop > channels with effects both pre and post loop. Input section trimmed > for dual channel Stick input or mono flute input. The dual Stick > patches also work fine with my dual output two channel guitar (Shadow > Nanomag acoustic pickup vs the usual electro magnetic humbuckers). The > screenshot shows only the few screen clickable functions, but when > using the Gordius control pedal I access more functions and don't > need that screen. The underlying looping context is not very different > from the EDP/Repeater/Filterbank monster rack I used a decade ago but > it is very nice to set the limitations yourself instead of having to > adapt your creativity to a given hardware design. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > --00151747c136125df80498618cfc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a digital kawai piano,something ive been wanting for a long time
thoughm= y kids are taking over but is still a pleasure to see them wanting to play = it.
merry X-mas
Luis

On Mon, Dec 27= , 2010 at 10:31 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Grant <grantmepeace@mindspring.com> wrote:
> OK, fess up! What did you get yourself, er I mean, what did Santa brin= g you this year?

Socializing. Visiting my parents, which is great! Me and two sons get=
to hang a bit with ex-wife's nephew, niece and related folks. And I
finally managed to grab some time to mock up my dream looper for
laptop rig:
http= ://www.looproom.com/dream_looper.png

Based on tempo master Mobius in synced Mainstage it runs four loop
channels with effects both pre and post loop. Input section trimmed
for dual channel Stick input or mono flute input. The dual Stick
patches also work fine with my dual output two channel guitar (Shadow
Nanomag acoustic pickup vs the usual electro magnetic humbuckers). The
screenshot shows only the few screen clickable functions, but when
using the Gordius control pedal I access =A0more functions and don't need that screen. The underlying looping context is not very different
from the EDP/Repeater/Filterbank monster rack I used a decade ago but
it is very nice to set the limitations yourself instead of having to
adapt your creativity to a given hardware design.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub


--00151747c136125df80498618cfc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 10:53:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FE03183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0D0r0OTVYd/a2fwBtvajOUF7fCRVORjEKrGWrlwxeh8=; b=wfdh6nY2P6ShAHLboe5ZP3QHDz4aC0mQpAjWe3G69g1MUNEffazjbfXPay8n1WzH7R YMsJbZQOSvnexeBzm9uNhmzMGahPscp25WvruxusO75pLtjgGYRWgrt7brrU0Tvn/IOG XbrNuLkHnBGqAB+ym1fbXz816kM7Lh5yqSXc4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=k5ufzaeaGMjQYZtCXyCQ/W4CyT05rXjxH33DyA9Kz880Yig3UrfpEQszWdHAGTMib0 7C6CHqgUD2vePmi58uvNJdUkppCT9Q0jsPC6BkQxOzs1itlA1zIf0fahLPtC7BubTey+ Bht17ecDPTPVECuz5UcA0wbc8CXKIMeg4Okeo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:53:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Soundplant on Windows 2000 From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a203325de50498622599 Resent-Message-ID: <33ePfB.A.XiH.nAHGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:53:27 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a203325de50498622599 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It seems I'll have to run my Soundplant 39 on a Windows 2000 laptop. Has anyone used this OS on Soundplant 39? I know there's Soundplant 26.1 available too that should run on the older OS. But I have been told that win2000 IS basically XP. If anyone has experiences with win2000, Soundplant 39, much appreciated to hear!! -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a203325de50498622599 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems I'll have to run my Soundplant 39 on a Windows 2000 laptop.Has anyone used this OS on Soundplant 39?

I know there's Soundp= lant 26.1 available too that should run on the older OS.
But I have been= told that win2000 IS basically XP.

If anyone has experiences with win2000, Soundplant 39, much appreciated= to hear!!

--
Petri Lahtinen
http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://pet= rilahtinen.blogspot.com/
http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/= PetriLahtinen
http://pet= rilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
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"Only become professional musician if there is no choice.&= quot; -Robert Fripp-
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"Some people ne= ver go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Buko= wski-

--20cf3054a203325de50498622599-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 11:08:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBA4C183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <9A1A5C28F5DB4EC19507DB5AA73C6E2F@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:08:58 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:08:58 +0000 (UTC) ?Actually I got my Christmas/Birthday earlier this year, in the form of the Yamaha RX-V1067 AV receiver (7.1, 90W RMS!) and a set of Q-Acoustics speakers for the whole layout, yet to be installed. And the GR3/GR20 setup, which I also haven't hooked up as yet... -----Original Message----- From: David Coffin Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 7:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? iPad with a ton of music apps. Jaw on floor… dpc On Dec 26, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Grant wrote: > OK, fess up! What did you get yourself, er I mean, what did Santa bring > you this year? > > G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 15:27:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9437E183457; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:27:43 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=CLTk11OOqLPaNlRQO4QPYYIMu1K0kZScL06PNCxUXUHssBute4RoWZtTnBg3NW5sKN+2jUSjWpoR4UNAl6Bxkj9vqT0nTbCiwkWiMkh+Zahg/CR8iPwX8z3FhAONPbE3; Message-ID: <20101227092100.wtke0vbq8gggkk0w@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:21:00 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends References: <853238.19578.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EF51ED5C6BB4EC78E51FB51D0C3C854@ELUK1> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Petri Lahtinen : > > I removed links to MySpace from my homepage, havent promoted anything > through it in half year or something. > They ruined good platform and user base. Their fail. > > Hail the SoundCloud > > -Petri- > I removed my account on Myspace over a year ago. Perhaps it is an ego thing. In order to navigate to one's profile page one must first navigate past pages promoting the latest teen idol or hip-hop act. The log in process made me feel frustrated before I ever even started! It occurred to me that anyone who would enter through Myspace's storefront would have absolutely no interest in me or my music. So I removed my account and haven't missed it a bit. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 15:45:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ECE2183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=rUSsVZA6SaQA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dxxeNxKmAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Kj2cLQIspMYojqbHAioA:9 a=9I7XQlIMvtJfMjw5ESAA:7 a=mRcqky60XA24fJ5KxWFrRMkkBvkA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Kimtx665xSIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20101227092100.wtke0vbq8gggkk0w@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:45:22 -0800 References: <853238.19578.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EF51ED5C6BB4EC78E51FB51D0C3C854@ELUK1> <20101227092100.wtke0vbq8gggkk0w@mail.kevinkissinger.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <-Nt7n.A.IbG.VSLGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:45:25 +0000 (UTC) I cancelled my account several months ago as well. I still see that my music is posted up there on a "generic" Ted Killian page though. Curse you Rupert Murdoch! Curse you! On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:21 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Quoting Petri Lahtinen : >> >> I removed links to MySpace from my homepage, havent promoted anything >> through it in half year or something. >> They ruined good platform and user base. Their fail. >> >> Hail the SoundCloud >> >> -Petri- >> > > I removed my account on Myspace over a year ago. > > Perhaps it is an ego thing. In order to navigate to one's profile > page one must first navigate past pages promoting the latest teen > idol or hip-hop act. The log in process made me feel frustrated > before I ever even started! > > It occurred to me that anyone who would enter through Myspace's > storefront would have absolutely no interest in me or my music. So > I removed my account and haven't missed it a bit. > > -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 16:08:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EDC918345B; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qnNd5sLqlHMLQY+TNBXglzyzABqvMic7oEWcbNtriZs=; b=bUm4yRqkhM2cTqmrWLos/Ht2qOL7G6WbxhJengnlFl2Jx8Wonp56pSSE8YSgSxCj6A sFr2R1N1iAJ1P+hOHKcvoAHv0kiQBDJ00A7mKASgdTfC01DC0yBEb0LC2rZOAIEBOyXn 82zOs6GGv8sMXM5F1ivWyQ+amqCNUt0Mimles= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hb9ZR3OtNIqZDWsE6zE3brdwMuHlK5jwdQPtBDDWtYr4sCt41lHIwYo7FTWoJ7nNuJ L5ht2v5kA9B4J3LMcVTVYTHeyWPgALY0Vv0yI4aurWSXRsuLH/7JjKjwOu6cJsVdRNBs vFoXgdiuLnf1vS7Bwa3MSaOBfX/gaNIxY41qQ= Message-ID: <4D18B9F2.8000306@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:08:18 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? References: <767627.36530.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <767627.36530.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-school - a Moleskine staff-lined pad...plus a $1.97 Walkman to carry out some tape-head experiments. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > > OK, fess up! What did you get yourself, er I mean, what did > Santa bring you this year? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 16:28:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73BC0183458; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:28:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 95286.95058.bm@omp1038.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293467301; bh=hv8m4+4RGHkxhQtsASbYjtlxHmlEwdgcRPtWYX7uCm0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AKnuwKgzv1vORjx8TNQgcUFe3zOn/bDzPGtvgT1swJRhyAfwQHMi3u8Uuj4vsctjiSrIygS/lHTy7n4mex7wB/v+3ioFYUWOQaOuxXjDrGpH2TyFys3QDiJvLv2aecUlnuADGOYTceCdZk7Uew0kG4IpS65b1v1GtRcY/S4BhJA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FTDfOG0GmqDlM8LOj4agm03SogF8zGJM6gbiRFvcRRxohtpNSZbmgknTJHpBfqX2EfvdM2fD871M4inN1oy/2wu6JH15DX4hH/0dQ0u+WoZMQQ+jiB0zia+ANfhaT0Nv0rSNoTIph0v8QZabZQ/24sb1QopcwuH8x3S7P+fFWuA=; Message-ID: <710974.49365.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dVprnN0VM1kQWtN6pDA14wMjJ6KksVMKLAQpe7zWpw.GgEL diTZrFa93oMjUFCYDFqexzg1SZVUnDv1Qpm8rJcu8gBbEzys5hSITex_4wzf 8MZ521fjOExy9A8HS4YL8krV39eMjQiHhThcV7kwKtl3l2hiTAGS2ywl4UAj 4fd8cn75iOaIq9nyLvGe56xrnci364OKMRdCt_9XMwfnrQZuk8W3MFgu64Kp GFe7eMWcz8mgeTPOBhkPP2A8TGVur9h1h0JuCwvTsorGQn4T06WgC7ktl0cm zqBC99uUOckeH5qQIhUqbHoj_ARfUzLB7Yo4iPalue7tNTn.I5lqygrkz4SS 4fIwEDHSycmOlSV1niGQT4KCjxKDZO80jHMrv5mCD7gucwtX89uviEqNHS.w Yet6DEwxvC5WefwqS X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 08:28:21 -0800 (PST) From: K D Patten Subject: any suggestions...was"Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-844317450-1293467301=:49365" Resent-Message-ID: <0QaawB.A.JSH.n6LGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:28:23 +0000 (UTC) --0-844317450-1293467301=:49365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thinking about dropping my MySpace account as well.......but I don't do Fac= ebook and I wont do Twitter......got spammed big time the last time I went = that way.......any thing out there that is similar to the old MySpace? 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--0-844317450-1293467301=:49365-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 16:49:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C079183461; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: any suggestions...was"Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-18--518740615 From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <710974.49365.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 08:49:15 -0800 Cc: David Gans Message-Id: <49A2DAC4-BDB1-42B7-BA01-15C2CEA10A68@trufun.com> References: <710974.49365.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:49:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-18--518740615 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Facebook works great for me. I've got a ton of "fans" on my page, and = posting gigs there really seems to get results. On Dec 27, 2010, at 8:28 AM, K D Patten wrote: > thinking about dropping my MySpace account as well.......but I don't = do Facebook and I wont do Twitter......got spammed big time the last = time I went that way.......any thing out there that is similar to the = old MySpace? David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans --Apple-Mail-18--518740615 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


On Dec 27, 2010, at 8:28 = AM, K D Patten wrote:

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david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
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= --Apple-Mail-18--518740615-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 16:54:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81596183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_QNi3+kxnyjOPVVt56uYt8A)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012270070 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-27_08:2010-12-27,2010-12-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <5DCE5949-CD4D-433B-9812-33F4CAC04A9A@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <710974.49365.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: any suggestions...was"Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends" Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:54:04 -0700 References: <710974.49365.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <-4wSVD.A.2F.vSMGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:54:07 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_QNi3+kxnyjOPVVt56uYt8A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT soundcloud On Dec 27, 2010, at 9:28 AM, K D Patten wrote: > thinking about dropping my MySpace account as well.......but I don't > do Facebook and I wont do Twitter......got spammed big time the last > time I went that way.......any thing out there that is similar to > the old MySpace? > > Kyle Dean Patten > P.O. Box 22 > Johnston, IA 50131 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obgm3kTi5bs > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9g93s0q3uc > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten > http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten > http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten > > > --Boundary_(ID_QNi3+kxnyjOPVVt56uYt8A) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

= --Boundary_(ID_QNi3+kxnyjOPVVt56uYt8A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 17:18:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC109183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9md8rIZi6ru/G1tpN6kEccetNMIdi3w90lLxJhkUCSY=; b=glRSW3f6SUSNgG9fc/Dy/dKuhKnqRmPfc9JRiOzez7mcUmGFtN9UVUTFhVcWG9wXr1 vypuSy1exKSvk8DQvLNOgliWKoiB/Pk2FHuPPLxI0P/XfrcNy5XXdTVSBswrBEOml4H3 40yeQzxVhN9rADQblVb500WeBAweJNqNccqoU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=fCjjF9zmZr4FQoK/wclLpsiv1srUZKxYis+PGhaK62btb8p5BglbnTynBJFBbm/y0l Nx1wDQ1KxjHxNZHBxp9IcplXyK1o90cD8sE/DOQvbOycFRsY4f0omUsvjV1q6t4cR5K5 2eeuylTXqoZstADTg2fjn4IR5N0RyVvbkSL9U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5DCE5949-CD4D-433B-9812-33F4CAC04A9A@mac.com> References: <710974.49365.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5DCE5949-CD4D-433B-9812-33F4CAC04A9A@mac.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:18:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: any suggestions...was"Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends" From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a2033f326604986787a3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:18:46 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a2033f326604986787a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 soundcloud is superb all about sound, nothing else 2010/12/27 Paul Mimlitsch > soundcloud > > On Dec 27, 2010, at 9:28 AM, K D Patten wrote: > > thinking about dropping my MySpace account as well.......but I don't do > Facebook and I wont do Twitter......got spammed big time the last time I > went that way.......any thing out there that is similar to the old MySpace > ? > > Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA 50131 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obgm3kTi5bs > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9g93s0q3uc > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten > http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten > http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten > > > > > > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a2033f326604986787a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable soundcloud is superb

all about sound, nothing else

2010/12/27 Paul Mimlitsch <pmimlitsch@mac.com>
soundcloud=A0

On Dec 27, 2010, at 9:28 AM, K D Patten wrote:

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thinking about dropping my MySpace account as well.......but I = don't do Facebook and I wont do Twitter......got spammed big time the = last time I went that way.......any thing out there that is similar to = the old MySpace?

thinking about dropping my MySpace accou= nt as well.......but I don't do Facebook and I wont do Twitter......got= spammed big time the last time I went that way.......any thing out there t= hat is similar to the old MySpace?

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 1:52= PM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:
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--000325575c167544c80498596879-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 02:26:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45B7C183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 02:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 485 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 02:26:32 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=MgO3rwLoCnTsPQFT/Y2a443C9nbMyniM07qTpP5/cBDbwQtsPHLYJm5ABoFI1Xy3; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <5077076.1293416306753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:18:26 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5b1b4a9c1b90124ccb11c5dd5dd2f4e2d3a2303aaa09ef6cf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.24 Resent-Message-ID: <2AGal.A.JRE.Yl_FNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 02:26:32 +0000 (UTC) OK, fess up! What did you get yourself, er I mean, what did Santa bring you this year? G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 02:45:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8DF5183455; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 02:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HZ6udFxkUIQauBXtpj/+AYSMBeTNhXR/ZFKRjo/nXuZGPdibGjNdOQ9x4sSkc+yG; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <72AE101813184B48B0532E3314DAADB0@PCvansimon> References: <4D16E06A.2040205@soundscapes.us> <527079.4212.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <72AE101813184B48B0532E3314DAADB0@PCvansimon> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:44:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Klein and Hummel Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-918704570==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ca4b636405820f92705a8317884e03a4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 02:45:37 +0000 (UTC) --============_-918704570==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Antony, I've worked a bit on the 300s.. very sweet, non fatiguing monitors... I prefer them to many other monitors I've heard recently. -Chuck >Our latest CD is mastered on Klein and Hummel monitors. >The guy who mastered our CD has a pair. But they are very expensive. >They sound very natural. >You can listen to our album at Bandcamp: >http://projekt67.bandcamp.com/album/dat-ik-niets-heb > >Simon >www.projekt67.com > >From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com >Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 7:44 PM >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Klein and Hummel > >does anybody on the list have experience with Klein and Hummel studio monitors > >Antony > > >From: Bill Fox >To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List >; beyond_em Yahoogroups List >; spacemusic Yahoogroups List >; Ambient Way Yahoogroups List >; Loopers Delight Mailing List >; AIMusic Yahoogroup > >Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 7:27:54 AM >Subject: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends > >Since MySpace forced all band profiles into migrating to the "New >MySpace" band profile; for calling that an upgrade; for making that >forced migration nothing less than excruciating, like a cystoscopy >without numbing agent; for never listening to the true needs of its >users; for trying to be Facebook and Twitter all rolled into one; >for taking away the capabilities of old MySpace that we liked; for >running audio ads when we want to get directly to listening to a >music player; for destroying all the work we did in old MySpace so >we can't migrate it over to New MySpace; for making HTML boxes that >don't fully observe HTML... > >We should all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in >protest. Please RSVP in support of this protest movement at >http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a MySpace >profile and agree with or support the cause. > >Cheers, > >Bill > > -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-918704570==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Klein and Hummel
Antony,

 I've worked a bit on the 300s.. very sweet, non fatiguing monitors...  I prefer them to many other monitors I've heard recently.

-Chuck

Our latest CD is mastered on Klein and Hummel monitors.
The guy who mastered our CD has a pair. But they are very expensive.
They sound very natural.
You can listen to our album at Bandcamp: http://projekt67.bandcamp.com/album/dat-ik-niets-heb
 
Simon
www.projekt67.com
 
From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 7:44 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Klein and Hummel
 
does anybody on the list have experience with Klein and Hummel studio monitors
 
Antony
 
From: Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us>
To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List <ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com>; beyond_em Yahoogroups List <beyond_em@yahoogroups.com>; spacemusic Yahoogroups List <spacemusic@yahoogroups.com>; Ambient Way Yahoogroups List <the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com>; Loopers Delight Mailing List <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>; AIMusic Yahoogroup <AIMusic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 7:27:54 AM
Subject: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends

Since MySpace forced all band profiles into migrating to the "New MySpace" band profile; for calling that an upgrade; for making that forced migration nothing less than excruciating, like a cystoscopy without numbing agent; for never listening to the true needs of its users; for trying to be Facebook and Twitter all rolled into one; for taking away the capabilities of old MySpace that we liked; for running audio ads when we want to get directly to listening to a music player; for destroying all the work we did in old MySpace so we can't migrate it over to New MySpace; for making HTML boxes that don't fully observe HTML...

We should all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Friends in protest.  Please RSVP in support of this protest movement at http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a MySpace profile and agree with or support the cause.

Cheers,

Bill
 


--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-918704570==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 03:36:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BDD8183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 03:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=S3tmE8Edo4EA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=3OMzQ-2_AAAA:8 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=zuQU0joYO6IhAxAn2EEA:9 a=RqIQGb7m_kOLt2XRI7HFcXOIu8wA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT - Mahavishnu live footage Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:36:03 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 03:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for posting this. I saw it when it first aired on TV in the states. I didn't remember the the audio being so crappy . . . yes bad but not that crappy. Wow, that broght back memories. Thanks! On Dec 26, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Matt Stevens wrote: > AMAZING - best MO live footage yet to surface online http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqfjMDOr-tU&feature=player_embedded > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 03:44:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1B94183458; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 03:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OWpa0IZ/pwsy40eK9xX2gt/fBlRsWUIerMZ3e4pGZeU33OEfotSH8PcEmjb0jrqB; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <32775683.1293421449345.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:44:09 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Mahavishnu live footage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48d8973c566942365ce26d7a8e8602db9987b2572753744e27350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.42 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 03:44:10 +0000 (UTC) i also remember this on tv. i actually put my little reel2reel mic up to th= e tv spkr...and got some some not so great sound. thankfully no longer exis= ts. what a wonderful band that was-saw them @ feltforum in '70-loudddddddd -----Original Message----- >From: tEd =C2=AE KiLLiAn >Sent: Dec 26, 2010 7:36 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT - Mahavishnu live footage > >Thanks for posting this. > >I saw it when it first aired on TV in the states. > >I didn't remember the the audio being so crappy . . . yes bad but not =20 >that crappy. > >Wow, that broght back memories. > >Thanks! > > >On Dec 26, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Matt Stevens wrote: > >> AMAZING - best MO live footage yet to surface online http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DEqfjMDOr-tU&feature=3Dplayer_embedded >> >> Matt Stevens >> www.mattstevensguitar.com >> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 03:55:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC15C183457; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 03:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YWNs4MnGcysp0OICfyiAyZ9NcVy0oKXuHDVlZ9MefYU=; b=TilFkdclQl5fCXovOEnUvkfK3Z3VcEY63IYVFX5Ap+zR0w+NfN+rkl70x/f1ghOkxf sVpuOijxpUI0Z59cl3QoGQnV298NNNR0GJjUynJIXgfAY3DMa2jXbfGAJrGozYNDCyWP 9aow84NvF2lfuE1kgLGUxWfpjOnD6chAd8RYc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=R6fXDrVhh9I5j9kr9VIOIK6FsD+4P7Vd7QYdcP6V0bTlxfXBVr0Gb5nAQgANptE34w 6qbl8EOiQ3UrzBxf0/bjGhIBAM5NpIus0X6WzaNhBR3WTa445ndi/oMqNz5WX0F+50ZH SYAoO3Qozj++GATBbDjLT9m+9r9ZCrC3V05Z0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5077076.1293416306753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <5077076.1293416306753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:55:51 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? From: "^|>^m" To: Loopers_Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=002215049217e3677204985c4f63 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 03:55:52 +0000 (UTC) --002215049217e3677204985c4f63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I converted a prepaid visa to Toontrack EZ Drummer software. Fired it up last night in Logic Pro 8 and I was really impressed with the sound, the simplicity, the interface and the features. Can't wait to get the Nashville expansion pack so I can finally get a natural sounding train beat. Finally... fake drums that are pleasing to the ear!! Santa also brought a Kindle and some climbing gear. Most importantly I was surrounded by wonderful people and my amazing girlfriend :) Adam On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Grant wrote: > OK, fess up! What did you get yourself, er I mean, what did Santa bring you > this year? > > G > > --002215049217e3677204985c4f63 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I converted a prepaid visa to Toontrack EZ Drummer software. =A0Fired it up= last night in Logic Pro 8 and I was really impressed with the sound, the s= implicity, the interface and the features. Can't wait to get the Nashvi= lle expansion pack so I can=A0finally=A0get a natural sounding train beat. = =A0Finally...=A0fake drums that are pleasing to the ear!!

Santa also brought a Kindle and some climbing gear. =A0Most = importantly I was surrounded by wonderful people and my amazing girlfriend = :)

Adam

On Sun, De= c 26, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Grant <grantmepeace@mindspring.com> wrote:
OK, fess up! What did you get yourself, er = I mean, what did Santa bring you this year?

G


--002215049217e3677204985c4f63-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 05:14:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82D3A183456; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 05:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=Xb/wfyPeHvGH 6KOR2HNOmkM6kok=; b=xfsoKJPHUO0AzBbYNnQwktW0CNfKDpDd8fyDwG1BwyTx AUNFvZF/8vetGndwgblFO4pYvEMuDJB3JCA0IoKVx034xwaAcxY8sEcg8TInic04 uwhNUCgIsVvzLqS+QlQUWr/ZeXrIXbjmrZwvWqZ5zPpG9riJ3mSzqDYWz8I+2fU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=message-id:date :from:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sasl; b=ah53h2 GVZ/ozuAdNsKiCsPiK978/99myzNNzeg7dYMBZrjnEkWxP5oWzty/IeLJemAQlKz u6ahPCe7kj80On6FrjQoZLCfAE8vUE2E86SIYcjyEKHQTJ8vwvltduvbaHGtx1+N fQAwLaSl1v/dHzOsr19VOA6WuVnW9QRCiCXQg= Message-ID: <4D1820B3.7070606@pobox.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:14:27 -0600 From: "jimp@pobox.com" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Mahavishnu live footage References: <32775683.1293421449345.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <32775683.1293421449345.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 2D2F9994-1178-11E0-8B27-9C677F325826-07196044!b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 05:14:28 +0000 (UTC) mmmm wish i could have seen such a thing in person... as long as we are progging out on christmas, caught this little gem today, the 12 days of progmas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cGH4sZIpr0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 05:54:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08F07183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 05:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D182A0B.4090202@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:54:19 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? References: <5077076.1293416306753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <5077076.1293416306753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 05:54:27 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Grant wrote: > OK, fess up! What did you get yourself, er I mean, what did Santa bring you this year? > > G First year of my life that my family and I didn't exchange any gifts. Even my wife and I didn't because funds have been very tight. We had a wonderful Christmas though........and ate ourselves rotund.......lol But a student of mine brought me a pair of clear lucite drum sticks that light up bright blue when they are struck...........Those'll look cool in my dayglo shows. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 06:04:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64587183457; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D182C7F.5090702@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 22:04:47 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Mimlitsch CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: TC-Helicon releases VoiceJam, audio looper for iOS References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:04:55 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Found the same thing but did have usable results by wearing the iphone > on a neck strap and letting the iphone mic pic up the direct audio > from my recorder(flute). Line out from iphone to amp worked fine. thanks, I'll try that. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 06:10:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6691B183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <4D182A0B.4090202@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 22:10:31 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5D91DA53-73B6-41AC-88D5-85A8A5F72E02@grubmah.com> References: <5077076.1293416306753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4D182A0B.4090202@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:10:34 +0000 (UTC) MXR Stereo Chorus and Carbon Copy Delay. My primary signal path is = becoming more and more analog. And a book on drum machine programming so that maybe I can learn to = write reasonable -- as opposed to "interesting" -- rhythm patterns. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 06:33:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20E81183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0Kb2+Zgd98KVcG1L4BRemQN+CfWt324XkpR1iJfcvXY=; b=pr268NE5st/mVF+SmNdH/O9OqeM/vF6dTIZ30WQabzyUMVJR/O8zZaRXOtwWfZtNgO uk/7IXqHlh9GjEyoI04rz0L5SfOi280BrDhcdmCe2Ta0TnVgI96qhzvMhCg2qpEZrpyD FUbqR9hyZtYzu0QFnfAoAXYgQ2VyB4ATzgLic= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=IFM4dhCY74AdTcpvvD7fbcS64SobbymorOYTrUz0dn1Rylif3/WNWly3Y8ZWHq/gID zEYCIZDQgHfWWpyl2buGlRsb+6tdYunNaqP6V1ivgi6gBPVTsFQvE9Alp7S46bPkgPdU u4+ktag7TKL+O7tW2tfmiPcjvbNJ7xvjwgkQk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5D91DA53-73B6-41AC-88D5-85A8A5F72E02@grubmah.com> References: <5077076.1293416306753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4D182A0B.4090202@cruzio.com> <5D91DA53-73B6-41AC-88D5-85A8A5F72E02@grubmah.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 01:33:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3d04ca722204985e839a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:33:33 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c3d04ca722204985e839a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 New video camera and a guitar calendar is about as close as I get. :) On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > MXR Stereo Chorus and Carbon Copy Delay. My primary signal path is becoming > more and more analog. > > And a book on drum machine programming so that maybe I can learn to write > reasonable -- as opposed to "interesting" -- rhythm patterns. > > Mark > > -- -==-=-=- Tony --0015174c3d04ca722204985e839a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 New video camera and a guitar calendar is about as close as I get. :)

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
MXR Stereo Chorus and Carbon Copy Delay. My primary signal path is becoming more and more analog.

And a book on drum machine programming so that maybe I can learn to write reasonable -- as opposed to "interesting" -- rhythm patterns.

Mark




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Tony
--0015174c3d04ca722204985e839a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 06:39:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73257183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=opedjnF1pwGzKqEQ2Of3enXBQAepwPZfOmkpv+RvYGM=; b=XKLFrhUhKAycjY4MPPFsB2mWbpn65vFjlrGf78Au5HOcyYcsJjwvABxAbOEekzhlzj tK1fEeasfeYvf55JYMV/hLXvt4Cw5LaXFVABYVX8BsiFisAOhNnL19WelZLXwmt3nQsg OWHXLcrJS0oRGEfRtYD1aXc6X5MfB1sl5UjpI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=pUYi9YT/szrOKwafGc5UG8+8yBmhEN9rabwTDqvjuP3oKf0IYwVCxAgI88i1lDloJN Tyh0JbB9JJyNw5vEtm7IFgIrHiLV7eo2LZ7yk8nBVidBFgR0YvJZ/K+XyTmgp5AvcSYV SMxAvDYzN1VWVWEiB/cRCjiTVKW219U8Fj4OA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D17D995.2000402@cruzio.com> References: <4D17D995.2000402@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:39:34 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: EDP videos? From: halim zainal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d00e2692e6f04985e99f8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:39:35 +0000 (UTC) --0015175d00e2692e6f04985e99f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OT: A Very Merry Christmas to everyone on this list. --0015175d00e2692e6f04985e99f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 OT: A Very Merry Christmas to everyone on this list.
--0015175d00e2692e6f04985e99f8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 06:49:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF507183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 187760.19180.bm@omp1048.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293432562; bh=zUkuP1csRewEDdoKD+3uA7YOu/m5d79uTLIUWHbPoXQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KzXO3SB3e/snYZMnIjjxh4q9Z+8YWAYNgDTk3v6FH+PflTjI9Jiu+5IFtDFsHo3FYAdjXrSVEOh4ud0CRiDIirvHvOL/L+wWxklOm1jTKw5WCqREC2NOU9pk6SQpJlDo9rT4HzaUd55BwAPNQ/KEw6Q3x31aCtPm1Ai8HmyB3LE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UgrHb90+qacJv1Zhm2kyM1NSlVwbbWB08gQn3P2ylzPNmHq3fku6PZO5ZFY/pTNwMC4/5aVt91gFiqvdmFxWk2p7GfTV6NfyiAQFiGLh2gb0z5UXkBDsQR9LwT8sXW9/x0Ay+AOrfAS/Iqh23Vx9oN+55mj5DT9QyqFkEFxizIU=; Message-ID: <767627.36530.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KAqbj4wVM1nqJ2xejDpKej_k1Vr9AMHuzmjKoz3ipqstqGT f04dAEPL0g0__DPIQESmV5m1EMw2W1WA.pyh8rhEl3_e7GE4IMZlQZ1Rusfi fvI7eom5H9uPLbKt3lvzg_htptc4Fkco1IMvvogbvtWEVkjVmycX9SiuLieC kBfbgDkh01vu3YVqB8r6iB52HzQwHJTqaCemq4r_YJwGgmkB.KIsoHE.Xt4o VA_Is.XKf_o39u2BlKbhreLLyaE6gXLP8DDTTH_g_db_DzI_C1XVQxBRTSX7 vcAHJ7W4lBlLz967wLZ2eetSyoVzL5c.YG3YJz9aX8H.thBseAS3vQe1cdnP TNDIsx6nmFWNL_M.c5X6qYEoUNaUO_YhkLaWlx2ZPSm3tLIgwJ3r_IDcmH1G gM70gWWP1aqQ3huFM X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 22:49:22 -0800 (PST) From: K D Patten Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-90837570-1293432562=:36530" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:49:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-90837570-1293432562=:36530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable got a few more screens for my T shirt printer......gonna start the propagan= da machine up again......some thing i can give away at gigs Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA=A0 50131=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=20 =A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs =A0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20 =A0http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 --- On Sun, 12/26/10, Grant wrote: From: Grant Subject: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 8:18 PM OK, fess up! What did you get yourself, er I mean, what did Santa bring you= this year? G --0-90837570-1293432562=:36530 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--- On Sun, 12/26/10, Grant <grantmepeace= @mindspring.com> wrote:

From: Gr= ant <grantmepeace@mindspring.com>
Subject: So, what new gear did S= anta bring you?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Sunday,= December 26, 2010, 8:18 PM

OK, f= ess up! What did you get yourself, er I mean, what did Santa bring you this= year?

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--0-90837570-1293432562=:36530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 06:59:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89E8F18345B; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293433155; bh=0ETTw6itTtIJ0YyoWEgUQ2/1Lk05hihLZ2oATHEeR1c=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=k3ic5wt80Kz4ON4zePq27zGaRFyvkoboxY+FlPM6B57gX6WvDvfV7oITkFClroXbYgfi3tcW9P88qG9xMMo/gKTRYMiGAlCbuXGGaYdtz4vwJAcORoWKPhRA33F1lsVFgVVB/o4Cy1yjDulLKUxIODKe9yG5ZA/lDC5HZ4Wtp58= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nKVjbcFXFYv8ee70Z7KHf1BifdtAFqld9taF7V37MHPERFZrprcxIN0KnC3yFGToZWLfHUeCTWtGrwlYiE1Yc8O4lEjiCxjRCLquEGUAM1NMIgMtE0GQVdesHHEZ8FBJ/dSum/Od9znbmJAUpw9q0+GqvoCi6W8iJHy43R589+o=; Message-ID: <408276.40682.qm@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Q8TArWMVM1n_vv9IRsXqmE9wLcjWq3s1GGbWxmIXt6jjxtv dNpJYrVn_ZPUWHIEDqZvo5EWbGz0JNReELE7b9HeKfPMsjC_kjF8DibNFCV1 Zss2GJvmkZiFOjaASxUNxwrq_lDvDvZM.JgIDKkvAod.GemHXCSL1UQD_UAy 6QAvkNGF9snmAej2QH0_EoskM2X4puygm8D3UmLOL0bXpBTu.RG7gi1bmMAz 5kP9xg9c3L1jb4yIM229KjcX2MT0CAqXMyyx1HQh9cgwXNWq9IC31.rO7nTO fVBiZL6p6.Q9n.0TssY.68ROKsu78uefsGmqB X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 22:59:15 -0800 (PST) From: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: Klein and Hummel To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="403450488-1843872273-1293433155=:40682" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 06:59:17 +0000 (UTC) --403450488-1843872273-1293433155=:40682 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for th=E9 feedback.=0AA=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn 2010-12-27,= at 03:44, Charles Zwicky wrote:=0A=0AAntony,=0A= =0A I've worked a bit on the 300s.. very sweet, non fatiguing monitors... = I prefer them to many other monitors I've heard recently.=0A=0A-Chuck=0A=0A= Our latest CD is mastered on Klein and Hummel monitors.=0A=0AThe guy who ma= stered our CD has a pair. But they are very expensive.=0A=0AThey sound very= natural.=0A=0AYou can listen to our album at Bandcamp: http://projekt67.ba= ndcamp.com/album/dat-ik-niets-heb=0A=0A =0A=0ASimon=0A=0Awww.projekt67.com= =0A=0A =0A=0AFrom: antonyhequet@yahoo.com=0A=0ASent: Sunday, December 26, 2= 010 7:44 PM=0A=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A=0ASubject: Klei= n and Hummel=0A=0A =0A=0Adoes anybody on the list have experience with Klei= n and Hummel studio monitors=0A=0A =0A=0AAntony=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: Bil= l Fox =0ATo: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List ; beyond_em Yahoogroups List ; spacemusic Yahoogroups List ; Ambie= nt Way Yahoogroups List ; Loopers Delight = Mailing List ; AIMusic Yahoogroup =0ASent: Sun, December 26, 2010 7:27:54 AM=0ASubject: = [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends=0A=0ASince MySpace force= d all band profiles into migrating to the "New MySpace" band profile; for c= alling that an upgrade; for making that forced migration nothing less than = excruciating, like a cystoscopy without numbing agent; for never listening = to the true needs of its users; for trying to be Facebook and Twitter all r= olled into one; for taking away the capabilities of old MySpace that we lik= ed; for running audio ads when we want to get directly to listening to a mu= sic player; for destroying all the work we did in old MySpace so we can't m= igrate it over to New MySpace; for making HTML boxes that don't fully obser= ve HTML...=0A=0AWe should all spend 2011 deleting Tom Anderson from our Fri= ends in protest. Please RSVP in support of this protest movement at http:/= /mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a MySpace profile and agree with or support the= cause.=0A=0ACheers,=0A=0ABill=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A-- =0A=0A...=0Ahttp://www.zmi= x.net=0A=0Ahttp://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky=0A=0Ahttp://albumcredits.com= /zmix=0A=0A=0A=0A --403450488-1843872273-1293433155=:40682 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for th=E9 feedback.
A=

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-12-27, at 03:44, Charles = Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net= > wrote:

=0A= =0A
Antony,
=0A

=0A
 I've worked a bit on t= he 300s.. very sweet, non fatiguing=0Amonitors...  I prefer them to ma= ny other monitors I've heard=0Arecently.
=0A

=0A
-Ch= uck
=0A

=0A
Our lates= t CD is mastered on Klein and=0AHummel monitors.
=0AThe guy who mastered our CD has a pair.=0ABut they= are very expensive.
=0A
The= y sound very natural.
=0A
Yo= u can listen to our album at Bandcamp: http://projekt67.bandcamp.com/album/dat-ik-niets-heb=
=0A
 
= =0A
Simon
=0A
www.projekt67.com=
=0A
 
= =0A
From: antonyhequet@y= ahoo.com
=0A
Sent= : Sunday, December 26, 2010=0A7:44 PM
=0A
To: Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com
=0A
Subject: Klein and=0AHummel
=0A
 
=0A
does anybody on the list have experience=0Awith Klein and Hummel stud= io monitors
=0A
 =0A
Antony
=0A 
=0A
=0A
=0A
From: Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us>
=0A<= b>To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List=0A<ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com>; beyond_em= Yahoogroups List=0A<beyond= _em@yahoogroups.com>; spacemusic Yahoogroups List=0A<spacemusic@yahoogroups.com>; Ambie= nt Way Yahoogroups List=0A<the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com>; Loopers Delight Mailing List= =0A<Loopers-Delig= ht@loopers-delight.com>; AIMusic Yahoogroup=0A<AIMusic@yahoogroups.com>
=0ASent:= Sun, December 26, 2010 7:27:54 AM
=0ASubject: [OT] Delete Tom An= derson From Your MySpace Friends
=0A
=0ASince MySpace forced a= ll band profiles into migrating to the "New=0AMySpace" band profile; for ca= lling that an upgrade; for making=0Athat forced migration nothing less than= excruciating, like a=0Acystoscopy without numbing agent; for never listeni= ng to the true=0Aneeds of its users; for trying to be Facebook and Twitter = all rolled=0Ainto one; for taking away the capabilities of old MySpace that= we=0Aliked; for running audio ads when we want to get directly to listenin= g=0Ato a music player; for destroying all the work we did in old MySpace=0A= so we can't migrate it over to New MySpace; for making HTML boxes that=0Ado= n't fully observe HTML...
=0A
=0AWe should all spend 2011 deleting To= m Anderson from our Friends in=0Aprotest.  Please RSVP in support of t= his protest movement at http://mysp.ac/gHgiBF if you have a=0AMySpace prof= ile and agree with or support the cause.
=0A
=0ACheers,
=0A
=0A= Bill
=0A
=0A
 =0A

=0A

=0A
-- =0A
=0A=0A=0A

Best to stay plugged in and keep an eye on = this...

Cheers,
Rev. = Fever


On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:16 PM, = mark francombe wrote:

I think = we're side-stepping a issue that we don't like the taste of actually. =
Blaming it all on TV? Isnt that all a bit old news... surely this "I = want it all and I want it NOW" generation has spun out of control = because of the..
deep breath... I N T E R N E T...
Thats the real = evil I'm terribly sorry to say. Of course we dont want to admit it, none = of us would be friends if it want for the net, but the idea that one can = get anything, any product is within a shipping date, with tracking = number... any information, (I wanted to know where the source of the = ezpression "the real Mc Coy " came from today.. I found out.. in 3 = seconds...) OK its good to have all this information at our = fingertips... isn't it? Maybe not, maybe we dont have to retain = knowledge anymore, maybe we don't have to think? if only I could have my = computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I can... What IS that song onthe = radio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh Shazam it.. finished with.. it was = Blur... problem solved... song forgotten...again... And film, = downloadable in minutes... lets not bother going out at all, whats the = point?, why bother watching TV, when we can MAKE TV! Why bother reading = informed opinion, when we can read the opinion of millions...?
Im = absolutely the worst.. right now, my wife is setting up the cards for a = game of Dominion, I have said "just a minute!" twice now...

I'd = like to believe that the 60's were the ideals that tED feels we have = lost, but its not really true is it, ok so a handful of actuvists made a = large noise about love and peace... Of course I was only just bor, maybe = it felt different to those who live through it, but for me the 60's just = looks like these shambolic idiotic idiots posing.. have any of you read = Timothy Leary? Utter clap trap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me = shivering as I think of the amount of drug crazed kids dropping out, = girls getting raped cos it wasnt cool to say no... Of course it spawned = some of the greatest music ever, Beatles, Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none = could have happened at any other time...
Historically speaking of = course, the 60's were a milestone, the babyboomers getting up and = saying, Fuck you to their parents, look how well YOU guys did with 2 = world wars, Im sure we can do better, but the total freedom that they = advocated was just not there... an illusion. The period bookmarked by 2 = events that prove it, The shooting of JFK and Vietnam... Everything in = between was marketing, pure and simple.

I think I might have = been rambling now... so shoot me...

Going to play cards with the = wife...

Night night

Mark

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= --Apple-Mail-2-1038440287-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 21:28:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 464A91834A7; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mta10.brinkster.com From: "CM" To: References: <2055392993.1205637.1292879972082.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> In-Reply-To: <2055392993.1205637.1292879972082.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Subject: RE: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:28:38 -0800 Message-ID: <00fe01cba08c$ddcfcd80$996f6880$@asyouthink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FF_01CBA049.CFAD9EF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQK78TMh+SwD6VwC/OcRSBg4JYvFjZHJNTKw Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: <0UrR3C.A.V3G.Gq8DNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:28:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01CBA049.CFAD9EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted - yes and amen=E2=80=A6 Have never heard of this series =E2=80=93 thanks for the heads up about = it. Sounds interesting. =20 Another worthwhile related read IMHO: =E2=80=9CThe Fourth = Turning=E2=80=9D -- a book about generational cycles.=20 http://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-William-Strauss/dp/0767900464/ =20 13th gen, Caedmon =20 =20 From: tEd =C3=82=C2=AE kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]=20 Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 1:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack = Performance Sampler Teaser.... =20 Whoooooweee . . . =20 Well, I have just one further suggestion for all of you . . . at least = for those of you that still have TV sand DVDs players or internet = accesst to YouTube (LOL). =20 Do yourselves a favor and watch the (rather longish) BBC dcumentary = called "The Century of the Self" if you ever have the chance. =20 Watch the whole thing (at 4 or 5 hours) it'll do you some good. =20 It's on YouTube (in many, many short segments) and it will turn your = head around about a lot of things. =20 I don't particularly worship and adore the hippy dippy trippy '60s (as = an era or a generation) at all . . . they sort of successfully held up a = mirror to what went before and said "f**k off, hypocrites" . . . it's = true. =20 But they (we) were less successful at looking at themselves (ourselves) = in the mirrror . . . and seeing that they (we) were also subject to = being the willing dupes of larger powers and their own needs and wants. =20 As people, we need to start looking in the mirror ourselves. =20 The next generation needs us to. =20 Cheers, =20 Ted ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01CBA049.CFAD9EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ted - yes and amen=E2=80=A6 <g>

Have never heard of this series =E2=80=93 thanks for the heads up = about it. Sounds interesting.

 

Another worthwhile related read IMHO: =E2=80=9CThe Fourth = Turning=E2=80=9D -- a book about generational cycles. =

http://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-William-Strauss/dp/0767900464/

 

13th gen,

Caedmon

 

 

From:= = tEd =C3=82=C2=AE kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] =
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 1:19 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: (OT) = REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler = Teaser....

 

= Whoooooweee . . .

 

= Well, I have just one further suggestion for all of you . . . at least = for those of you that still have TV sand DVDs players or internet = accesst to YouTube (LOL).

 

= Do yourselves a favor and watch the (rather longish) BBC dcumentary = called "The Century of the Self" if you ever have the = chance.

 

= Watch the whole thing (at 4 or 5 hours) it'll do you some = good.

 

= It's on YouTube (in many, many short segments) and it will turn your = head around about a lot of things.

 

= I don't particularly worship and adore the hippy dippy trippy '60s (as = an era or a generation) at all . . . they sort of successfully held up a = mirror to what went before and said "f**k off, hypocrites" . . = . it's true.

 

= But they (we) were less successful at looking at themselves (ourselves) = in the mirrror . . . and seeing that they (we) were also subject to = being the willing dupes of larger powers and their own needs and = wants.

 

= As people, we need to start looking in the mirror = ourselves.

 

= The next generation needs us to.

 

= Cheers,

 

= Ted

------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01CBA049.CFAD9EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 21:40:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 467881834AF; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=q98YBni2PDpZXIQcGRJ9K0b3xqm3Ltaj+VMYofESVso=; b=qeLiB2nKgm7OepWbxX4JmfZNLqbusav0PhCuUzSBRBe0Wi3q7yXweae13F2+sSpzFS SE1soSL8HoG1YIgkT20TNuUbdwtKMFUtWRLy7RMj4iRU30sr3pmXIUehmIr3hSBkAN6N T2LMlutIcT5xKfkchtjaJJA5T477DuJqKgeIk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=EhruqjSxjTDpo9DGtolKjSkLQgSN41ufQJT2IS1PjydjPPLtziWWMBb3WOFS7RjvmA f0QzgrK3KLO24pfuAIJTrDz+TEFoe8yao1emyZKDY08GGE0LdNc4SYunAShmT9maVjLp bLXkxTgjoxkCZufoyYTCI0XwCUHsTo+lk6ywE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:40:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:40:34 +0000 (UTC) The winter started mid November here in Belgium and The Netherlands. It's much colder than normal, it has been snowing for a couple of weeks now, very unusual. While I like a world cover with snow...it simply is beautiful , I don't like it because of the extreme traffic jams. Definitely need a car with an internet connection and a build-in Mac with voice control ;-) -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 21:55:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E0091834BC; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=otJyUcEOBZ2OWWIQjH09b4QksKeaitlKoJ4l5rmZB4g=; b=K31Mi/bMig52aqUFZQg49jCdEJv/IJ5WiRhAKq9rzLKrwlOtE7uXVUpHR/VrCp37ju yNNypjzYwC6xz9CHTbLwEky8wVRKB/+KJ+35Pg6zVRbcRQzPOOAKAPKBXtveNrvrcdY+ 9AuagiZhRKz+UdjScu/aYdt/98HQNwJO1DRTE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Jm0AocaYghfg8PO5NDt2VcuxoBzx9CIgNOXd+roYd4ueN6iKD5jBDLK84WohUdYvl7 JR1L7WE+blswh4lMvcCSQyfbKMW7XWvtg0SbKI8dyIekBB9ps2EiV55UomYvjCQkF7Id e0t4eSiCgGfdtrpzRi9iId4GnuJCktlthxlms= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:55:19 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367f997e7b1a9f0497de933b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:55:20 +0000 (UTC) --0016367f997e7b1a9f0497de933b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have no heating at home & have just washed dishes dressing a t-shirt. i bet this year we're not seeing a single snowflake. it's the perfect place t= o build that retiremet house for loopers. maybe it's true that saying, we don't belong to europe but africa. ra=FCl. --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela!= !! =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, para no = enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados... --0016367f997e7b1a9f0497de933b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have no heating at home & have just washed dishes dressing a t-shirt.= i bet this year we're not seeing a single snowflake. it's the perf= ect place to build that retiremet house for loopers. maybe it's true th= at saying, we don't belong to europe but africa.

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--0016367f997e7b1a9f0497de933b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 22:06:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43C3D183491; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4274 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:06:14 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com> References: ,<838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<726302687839749391@unknownmsgid>,,<916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid>,,,<971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net>,,,<744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> <4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-1038675430 Message-Id: <87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com> From: Revfever Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:54:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=6.5 required=6.0 tests=BAYES_80,FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2,HTML_MESSAGE,RDNS_DYNAMIC,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: ****** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on obf1.tritico.net X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Report: * 4.4 HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2 Relay HELO'd using suspicious hostname (IP addr * 2) * 0.0 FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D Helo is d-d-d-d * 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message * 2.0 BAYES_80 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 80 to 95% * [score: 0.8930] * 0.1 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to trusted network by host with * dynamic-looking rDNS Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:06:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-1038675430 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Or, maybe he is wanting to do a "Julian Assange" and be nomadic and have no "official" terrestrial address? (snicker!) Cheerios and Lucky Charms, Rev. Fever On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Heh - no, it just sounded like Gareth was making a plan to depart > this earthly plane in the New Year! > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > >> Ok, Daryl, you got me curious there: is there some experience >> you'd like to share? >> >> Daryl Shawn schrieb: >>> DON'T DO IT, GARETH!! >>> >>> Daryl Shawn >>> www.swanwelder.com >>> >>> >>>> Cant' wait till I don't actually have a terrestrial address next >>>> year - that's gonna be a whole new can of worms.. >>>> >>>> Peace >>>> >>>> G > --Apple-Mail-3-1038675430 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Or, maybe he is wanting to do a "Julian Assange" and be nomadic and have = no "official" terrestrial address? (snicker!)

Cheerios and Lucky = Charms,
Rev. Fever

On Dec = 20, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote:

Heh - no, it just sounded like Gareth was making a = plan to depart this earthly plane in the New Year!

Daryl = Shawn
www.swanwelder.com


Ok, Daryl, you got me curious there: is there some = experience you'd like to share?

Daryl Shawn schrieb:
=
DON'T DO IT, = GARETH!!

Daryl Shawn

=
Cant' wait till I don't = actually have a terrestrial address next year - that's gonna be a whole = new can of worms..
Peace

G
=


= --Apple-Mail-3-1038675430-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 22:17:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F5EA183492; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=L32kqt+iTV6wYsIw4zHqWGCQu5CXADKbCpktIYsxI3M=; b=J5NOKj3bmEwiJZAgr4SIEAgazM8DNYF4xqoxcj0C5uggTBBwLJLu7XWZW+pBG2VS4n e/hrl+GJqG/rC3XCRWrH0912xzSiUR5qsnZlDFUggPWROcL+ypTPmiQm7hQLzLeToOJ/ ROF+Ef2SgJxROYQ3MYR4ItzhS4ItfGi/jyL2M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=DheiauCCnzStG1LUhR/an2sl/jVCLnKbw3Hp/B0b84aoYRXrEpeZunCPn82e6N2ChV vdrj1BFJpGq5mUGQNugKN4OfzTMMzajphhj1P0TuDa3eoZWI6Ui4Ryh+tmJunBkBoqAO xALfye3F6IK8lNrZpLHfq8f/3Y/gAiSHvD92w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:17:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:17:25 +0000 (UTC) 2010/12/20 Raul Bonell : > i have no heating at home & have just washed dishes dressing a t-shirt. i > bet this year we're not seeing a single snowflake. it's the perfect place to > build that retiremet house for loopers. Great idea! Michael Klobuchar is president ;-) -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 22:19:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE6391834A1; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292883576; bh=avabsVaepJSCNzRgp9EKBwd3YeZsGJpVHH5oSvcU0bs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GDiN7cZzQ6StQod0j1TBNXKce1BRy9qA0qmb8bphZQiGCMcpzWYv4N9x0YF8H/QEyIpis55/KXXHQ22OYk70Q8SuJtMlcBR00pwdsahRELZM0E+kxwSRqnXs6ALkrfdJEiuN1ncQ6WJpHjMEcefMT9uZ6SLl97HV2z1L9ewmd+g= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5Y2gIFcwNglNVq1/OnO71A9t6VmWc8Py2dRcwsnBA/J+JntCIXh3xz25wLGIrcmpsdmZnF+m5Tey3CzJT+ouVFJX3K9dLBIV3w460E6uzfo6EKmmA3GRsQ3S0cy9jHUQ+uqphhLiOWG127BJR6UcB3gqNwloNXGpvxKnxZgMNAA=; Message-ID: <921931.1093.qm@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ZEZfGDgVM1mRHHhBzLCBeKmWs77h5wIXDakopFGEwb7C.gk V7xz9BX1Uv6sVIua6AWYfh4I1uhzKe61ztF39078A1dScvz3T5zkgYp46JiN hjqyUznCXPy6viY_MBJfwnxjGCw_QzuHJY8b7w2tLT_7tqj4vK1AjaT4oNJS bILbdxh4Jd4Vy_sCf7ZI2YdIq1sq_t.G3hul5Gd7VbGJuNgva5Ml4gX4ca52 .zNDfMHb_R_n7BvB0..jfc_OHp2yQuKy3Z5NiiQ9LNBYtRYCtvzZ1ycXTply JGwdnICVGvXZdS8Hnk9TjU57AYpu0z1CcWtfe24j61.JeeXs0DTfI6KoInYe TRxKOO.M8cUzSVgZANp.6j66pwwfaXq8s1QdqZ4m7kYZt X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:19:36 -0800 (PST) From: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1009985443-1292883576=:1093" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:19:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-1009985443-1292883576=:1093 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is this a new trend? I can see a pedal that is optionally BATTERY-POWERED n= ot including a power supply but a device that is NOT battery-powered??? Wha= t good is the unit w/o a power supply? =A0 I can that making an items=A0price more attractive and possibly competitive= =A0is an advantage of not including the power supply but is a power supplys= wholesale cost $18.00 in the first place? =A0 No offense to the designer/manufacturer Mike, but it's a little gouge-y. =A0 =A0=0A=0A=0A --0-1009985443-1292883576=:1093 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is this a new trend? I can see a pedal t= hat is optionally BATTERY-POWERED not including a power supply but a device= that is NOT battery-powered??? What good is the unit w/o a power supply?
 
I can that making an items price more attractive and possibly com= petitive is an advantage of not including the power supply but is a po= wer supplys wholesale cost $18.00 in the first place?
 
No offense to the designer/manufacturer Mike, but it's a little gouge-= y.
 
 

=0A=0A --0-1009985443-1292883576=:1093-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 22:35:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EC931834B9; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=boomerangmusic.com; h=From:Content-Type:To:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From:X-RcptTo; z=From:=20Mike=20|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3DISO-8859-1=3B=20format=3Dflowed|To:=20Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com|Subject:=20Re=3A=20Boomerang=20Power=20Supply=20Not=20Included=20in=20Price|Message-ID:=20<4D0FDA07.6020705@boomerangmusic.com>|X-Sender:=20mnelson@boomerangmusic.com|X-Envelope-From:=20mnelson*boomerangmusic.com|X-RcptTo:=20Loopers-Delight*loopers-delight.com; l=500; bh=FmCRfZjEcAzClaWAzbBi5afaT7qH8w1Xba1w4cYwaWI=; b=dlDt/er9/XXSD4ic18CZrCiHPhT4bFWLQaCurHbQasZs5T946UvKTxM1lZWwwxK02VgS6l2T1rjD/f30JwiR/VksNOEEJN84wCd4ljAD/VkrCyNFKZclcfycTtnfpW9e2y+nN9oKqF3NSSTHq/Z24a4Z7NlGBz3EOoJGccGOw3I= Message-ID: <4D0FDA07.6020705@boomerangmusic.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:34:47 -0600 From: Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price References: <921931.1093.qm@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <921931.1093.qm@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2010 22:34:59.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[2258BAD0:01CBA096] X-Sender: mnelson@boomerangmusic.com Old-X-Envelope-From: mnelson*boomerangmusic.com X-RcptTo: Loopers-Delight*loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Hold on, partner. You're getting your wagon in front of the horse... or something like that. Each and every pedal sold by Boomerang comes with a power supply, has always come with a power supply and will always come with a power supply if it is not a battery powered pedal. Just to ensure that this comment does not go viral... ALL BOOMERANG PEDALS ARE SHIPPED WITH A POWER SUPPLY. Merry Christmas. On 20-Dec-10 4:19 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: > Is this a new trend? I can see a pedal that is optionally BATTERY-POWERED not including a power supply but a > device that is NOT battery-powered??? What good is the unit w/o a power supply? > I can that making an items price more attractive and possibly competitive is an advantage of not including the > power supply but is a power supplys wholesale cost $18.00 in the first place? > No offense to the designer/manufacturer Mike, but it's a little gouge-y. -- Mike Nelson Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. ---------- "Some products make you sound better; Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better." ---------- 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com Contact for repairs: Lee Hardesty 1516 Victoria Drive Denton, TX 76209 hardesty@mindspring.com 940-382-3253 Billing Address: Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. PO Box 3788 Grapevine, TX 76099-3788 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 22:41:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D6CB1834BF; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TGvPO4vjV+BHlONBAC3FM0u79DttU57aAFTx3gQl8ag=; b=YlYTGLUKuHi5QXA2fRaCgiWYfQpX8CU6UDzCO0iYO3LHD50ADaFXQ8LyTLIF5atCa0 dWh8IE/EdSW5GNRQ4TnrEu7X4pLpvMkIiI/xJqO1ISLn/eBu8RXrjou8H8pvvixCQzEF taOf0i1mTcb/xCCBgqFJB2fDt/zAxOJy3iKEk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=pt9+Gz/UveniByHIKpsdVkoS/2hOUpGOOM0QMAkDYsanpRuRTE6MxgCkZnM8WJQYWA jrxgWyXKsjkOM+Nd9YGc+htJomUP31hE43zBUXN1ym+5QzaxBdnpWT/fgAkD6qA5EmzI zpSfP6r69kK83rAMm8O+3PHrPSmfbHGgFecJI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:41:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364274898143790497df38c4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:41:29 +0000 (UTC) --0016364274898143790497df38c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/12/20 Sjaak Overgaauw > > > Great idea! Michael Klobuchar is president ;-) > > for granted! --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela!= !! =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, para no = enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados... Renunciad a la huelga, a la negociaci=F3n colectiva, a una sanidad y una educaci=F3n de calidad y gratu=EDta, renunciad a una pensi=F3n suficiente, = a una legislaci=F3n laboral que d=E9 seguridad al trabajador y a su familia y lo proteja frente abusos y el despido, renunciemos a una jubilaci=F3n antes de morir o estar tan deteriorado que cuando llegue solo nos quede esperar nuestra muerte y aliviar nuestro sufrimiento y dolor... Bajemos los impuestos a las grandes empresas, a los mercados financieros, a los bancos, a los grandes capitales que pueden hundir un pa=EDs con la simp= le acci=F3n de sacar su dinero y llev=E1rselo a M=F3naco, Andorra o Luxemburgo= , liberad de cargas fiscales a los dioses... Hagamos todos los esfuerzos en nuestra mano, en manos del pueblo, POR EL CRECIMIENTO DE LA ECONOM=CDA Y LA TRANQUILIDAD DE LOS MERCADOS. 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2010/12/20 Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>


Great idea! Michael Klobuchar is president ;-)


for granted!

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La UE = y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos inyect= an liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a las PY= MES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los b= ancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela!!!=A0= =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, par= a no enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados...

Renunciad a la huelga, a la negociaci=F3n colectiva, a una sanidad y un= a educaci=F3n de calidad y gratu=EDta, renunciad a una pensi=F3n suficiente= , a una legislaci=F3n laboral que d=E9 seguridad al trabajador y a su famil= ia y lo proteja frente abusos y el despido, renunciemos a una jubilaci=F3n = antes de morir o estar tan deteriorado que cuando llegue solo nos quede esp= erar nuestra muerte y aliviar nuestro sufrimiento y dolor...

Bajemos los impuestos a las grandes empresas, a los mercados financiero= s, a los bancos, a los grandes capitales que pueden hundir un pa=EDs con la= simple acci=F3n de sacar su dinero y llev=E1rselo a M=F3naco, Andorra o Lu= xemburgo, liberad de cargas fiscales a los dioses...

Hagamos todos los esfuerzos en nuestra mano, en manos del pueblo, POR E= L CRECIMIENTO DE LA ECONOM=CDA Y LA TRANQUILIDAD DE LOS MERCADOS. Palabra d= e dios, am=E9n.

=A1=A1=A1El pueblo, unido, jam=E1s ser=E1 vencido!!!=



--0016364274898143790497df38c4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 23:32:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 796CE18345A; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ubs8DeoaYNbyqkxdfovkkhetP7N2RJsNsSvNfFcOQ9I=; b=M+HSiHK3y1KnGTxy+xKUBN9w34lTXx0IiB8BTUyeItnGb5wd3v0fGy7sRiHRILAsEB xIoqNg8DRhIkU7tGCDYLN8tz9KBoDl+T5mpNaM0UsrEO7l2tkIPz5zJ/z5nEIFD1hMHs PVAXgkmVV83GdhmFz+Fi/NQL9BI/15ZwotgX4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lM3eMww3sI1IASTvzmmhhEO4zaRUv0xnGepg+HxDpuwvzVrzPXAQKdL38ENY4z1wO5 IBS0AzF+YWvVD05Rpncwt8irBmbPGYsXxapsbw83B3fOJSkn7Tl9OcPcyXXSTlxgL1to Vw10CFCaKWmbYDuZ37ZNVoNXCt9UURN9vYiKw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:32:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5ab67fda9470497dfef4c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:32:48 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5ab67fda9470497dfef4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > esto est=E1 buenisimo Raul,y es la triste realidad! > abrazo > Luis > > *La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los > bancos inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades a= l > 5% y a las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio red= ondo > para los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo > =C1ngela!!! =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, cla= ro est=E1, > para no enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados... > * > *Renunciad a la huelga, a la negociaci=F3n colectiva, a una sanidad y una > educaci=F3n de calidad y gratu=EDta, renunciad a una pensi=F3n suficiente= , a una > legislaci=F3n laboral que d=E9 seguridad al trabajador y a su familia y l= o > proteja frente abusos y el despido, renunciemos a una jubilaci=F3n antes = de > morir o estar tan deteriorado que cuando llegue solo nos quede esperar > nuestra muerte y aliviar nuestro sufrimiento y dolor... > > Bajemos los impuestos a las grandes empresas, a los mercados financieros,= a > los bancos, a los grandes capitales que pueden hundir un pa=EDs con la si= mple > acci=F3n de sacar su dinero y llev=E1rselo a M=F3naco, Andorra o Luxembur= go, > liberad de cargas fiscales a los dioses... > > Hagamos todos los esfuerzos en nuestra mano, en manos del pueblo, POR EL > CRECIMIENTO DE LA ECONOM=CDA Y LA TRANQUILIDAD DE LOS MERCADOS. Palabra d= e > dios, am=E9n. > > =A1=A1=A1El pueblo, unido, jam=E1s ser=E1 vencido!!!* > > > > > --001636c5ab67fda9470497dfef4c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
esto est=E1 buenisimo Raul,y es la triste realidad!
ab= razo
=A0=A0 Luis
=A0

= La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos = inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a = las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para= los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela= !!!=A0=BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est= =E1, para no enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados..= .
Renunciad a la huelga, a la negociaci=F3n colectiva, = a una sanidad y una educaci=F3n de calidad y gratu=EDta, renunciad a una pe= nsi=F3n suficiente, a una legislaci=F3n laboral que d=E9 seguridad al traba= jador y a su familia y lo proteja frente abusos y el despido, renunciemos a= una jubilaci=F3n antes de morir o estar tan deteriorado que cuando llegue = solo nos quede esperar nuestra muerte y aliviar nuestro sufrimiento y dolor= ...

Bajemos los impuestos a las grandes empresas, a los mercados financiero= s, a los bancos, a los grandes capitales que pueden hundir un pa=EDs con la= simple acci=F3n de sacar su dinero y llev=E1rselo a M=F3naco, Andorra o Lu= xemburgo, liberad de cargas fiscales a los dioses...

Hagamos todos los esfuerzos en nuestra mano, en manos del pueblo, POR E= L CRECIMIENTO DE LA ECONOM=CDA Y LA TRANQUILIDAD DE LOS MERCADOS. Palabra d= e dios, am=E9n.

=A1=A1=A1El pueblo, unido, jam=E1s ser=E1 vencido!!!=





--001636c5ab67fda9470497dfef4c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 23:39:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0539183478; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2Te0QP1/zkMyoZRPE8x3ITvhUNcue+w6uCOqjV7kE9M=; b=ro4B7P5mmTCfa8mvtUw2A2j5cWZlGiuMKArSlY66kAFTKPcG8gx6hXW91wrmKgRMre pXWy/mFTdk1o67zfMyvrcsSTdKa/BwznvQ35tklFhsIBjnS8oCFU3DKItOep3vwG5sKW D/F4mMQE53F/7ugPf4k4pRZOCrlx6uIdkFauc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=WGQHmrhFoJQ8pY25/qpwwJ4Vb6e2R3oYC1SfZcrp6nr6uIbZ+EioH2fo6tf0T6LKvi JHGpwwI24wLL4ocWsnqJQCIayRKQ2qW71CPJBNnCv3SlXAw+Z5/QqZNyOSp8rqcjlLlI oCut7YGZ/c/P0nGeqGZne9PSU4+GgsSgqYBJU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <17E2E8D8-54A5-43FB-B956-C89E6F9FB240@ubergadget.com> References: <838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <726302687839749391@unknownmsgid> <916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid> <971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net> <744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <17E2E8D8-54A5-43FB-B956-C89E6F9FB240@ubergadget.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:39:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (To TV, or to not TV?) From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747c1360b73c00497e0094e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:39:50 +0000 (UTC) --00151747c1360b73c00497e0094e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i use a TV set to watch DVD movies and there are still some interesting channels left, though you can count them with your fingers but both commercial radio and TV is really depressing i hope the internet doesnt turn that way one day! Luis On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Revfever wrote: > Having a TV to use as a "monitor" is not the same thing as watching the > "available material" that is "offered" on the air waves or via cable, etc. A > BIG difference! :-) > I have also always made it a point to place the set as far away as possible > (minimum 20 feet away, at least) and still be able to see and hear > sufficiently. > Works for me, and so far....so good. > > Cheerios, > Rev. Fever > > On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > > same here, no tv set for the past 10 years > > I feel fine > > 2010/12/20 > >> hey Rev, >> >> I have not owned a Tv for the past 20 years, and it does wonders for your >> skin! >> >> Antony >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Revfever >> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> *Sent:* Mon, December 20, 2010 7:14:06 PM >> *Subject:* Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE >> >> On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> >> Turn the TV off, >> > >> > I don't even own a TV :-) >> >> I have an old TV set but it is only used as a "monitor" for my DVD player >> and my (yes old but still works great) VCR. Otherwise, I am now nearing *23 >> years* >> of NOT watching tee vee....ANY tee vee. Why bother? It's usually vapid >> crap anyway and mostly a mind rot and more specifically, a means to better >> serve >> commercial interests and promote more Materialism and mass consumption >> (and WASTE) and other mind numbing stupidity and ignorance. >> One has to only know about (haha) "fair and balanced" Faux Fraudcasting >> and "news" and "entertainment" for how LOW this can go. (and with no end in >> sight) >> >> Books and other things are far more important and WORTHY and enriching >> etc. (and they don't add to your electrical utility bill, either!) >> >> There's also a book that came out YEARS ago (1978!) that I'll eventually >> read entitled "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" by Jerry >> Mander. >> The title alone was what hooked me into wanting to check it out. It is >> next in line to read after I finish the excellent and INTENSE biography and >> study of Gyorgy Ligeti. >> >> On the subject of the 60's, for a REAL "trip" (haha), check out the 2DVD >> autobiographical film by singer / poet Donovan entitled (what else?) >> 'Sunshine Superman'. >> It is GREAT and has a LOT of old and RARE footage from the 60's, going >> back as far as 1963, or 1965 or so and on through the next couple of decades >> and on >> up to very recent years. The main disc is THREE HOURS LONG and is a LOT of >> fun!. I've not seen the bonus disc yet, but I know it is not nearly as long, >> but will >> still likely have some great surprises and more fun. The set also has a >> great little booklet and comes in a *beautiful* full color box. Definitely >> REVcommended! >> >> Cheers, >> Rev.Fever >> Portland,OR >> The Angry Red Planet (AKA-USA) >> http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever >> >> PS- I see that the LA Times recently came out with an editorial slamming >> Faux Fraudcasting. Excellent. It's about damn time and LONG overdue that >> something >> other than the alternative and independent media did this. >> >> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-foxnews-20101217,0,6952663.story >> >> >> >> read a book (preferably and old one). >> > >> > It just hit me, when reading the part of your post talking about >> > "saying no to yourself", that one old book that well describes these >> > thoughts is "Siddharta" by Herman Hesse. I like everything I've read >> > by that guy. Yes, old books they are - but in 2011 suddenly just right >> > on the spot! Damn, I'll buy a bunch of them for my sons as X-mas >> > gifts. Thank you, Ted, one more daily issue solved!! ;-)) >> > >> > Last X-mas I gave them another book - whatever it is called in English >> > (The Prince..?) - by that Italian guy that lived some four or... ah >> > yeah MACCIAVELLI, that was his name. He was the first class couch for >> > kings and just about anyone who had more powerz than brainz back in >> > the dayz. And Maciavelly really taught The Path of The Snake (rather >> > than the Path of The Eagle, known as the "good guy's" choice... och >> > OFF-Toppic-ing into esotherics here.... sorry, back on track we go). >> > But this book has to be discussed if handed over to... not just young >> > people, anyone! Because M's sinister methods still work and are >> > practiced daily by politicians and other decision makers. >> > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli >> > >> > Per >> > >> >> >> > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen > http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen > http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ > --------------------------------------------------- > "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- > --------------------------------------------------- > "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." > -Charles Bukowski- > > > --00151747c1360b73c00497e0094e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i use a TV set to watch DVD=A0movies and there are=A0still some intere= sting channels=A0left,=A0though you can count them with your fingers
but both commercial radio and TV is really depressing
i hope the internet doesnt turn that way one day!
Luis
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Revfever <revfever@ubergad= get.com> wrote:
Having a TV to use as a "monitor&= quot; is not the same thing as watching the "available material" = that is "offered" on the air waves or via cable, etc.=A0A BIG dif= ference! :-)=A0=20
I have also always made it a point to place the set as far away as pos= sible (minimum 20 feet away, at least) and still be=A0able to see and hear = sufficiently.=A0
Works for me, and so far....so good.=20

Cheerios,
Rev. Fever

On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote:

same here, no tv set for the past 10 years
I feel fine

2010/12/20 <antonyhequet@yahoo.com>=
hey Rev,

I have not owned a Tv for the past 20 years, and it does wonders for y= our skin!

Antony
<= br>
<= font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">
From: Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.c= om>
To: Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 201= 0 7:14:06 PM
Subject: Re= : (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE

On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

>> Tur= n the TV off,
>
> I don't even own a TV :-)

I have = an old TV set but it is only used as a "monitor" for my DVD playe= r and my (yes old but still works great) VCR. Otherwise, I am now nearing *= 23 years*
of NOT watching tee vee....ANY tee vee. Why bother? It's usually vapid = crap anyway and mostly a mind rot and more specifically, a means to better = serve
commercial interests and promote more Materialism and mass consump= tion (and WASTE) and other mind numbing stupidity and ignorance.
One has to only know about (haha) "fair and balanced" Faux Fraudc= asting and "news" and "entertainment" for how LOW this = can go. (and with no end in sight)

Books and other things are far mo= re important and WORTHY and enriching etc. (and they don't add to your = electrical utility bill, either!)

There's also a book that came out YEARS ago (1978!) that I'll e= ventually read entitled "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Televis= ion" by Jerry Mander.
The title alone was what hooked me into wanti= ng to check it out. It is next in line to read after I finish the excellent= and INTENSE biography and study of Gyorgy Ligeti.

On the subject of the 60's, for a REAL "trip" (haha), che= ck out the 2DVD autobiographical film by singer / poet Donovan entitled (wh= at else?) 'Sunshine Superman'.
It is GREAT and has a LOT of old = and RARE=A0 footage from the 60's, going back as far as 1963, or 1965 o= r so and on through the next couple of decades and on
up to very recent years. The main disc is THREE HOURS LONG and is a LOT of = fun!. I've not seen the bonus disc yet, but I know it is not nearly as = long, but will
still likely have some great surprises and more fun. The = set also has a great little booklet and comes in a *beautiful* full color b= ox. Definitely REVcommended!

Cheers,
Rev.Fever
Portland,OR
The Angry Red Planet (AKA-USA)htt= p://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever

PS- I see that the LA Time= s recently came out with an editorial slamming Faux Fraudcasting. Excellent= . It's about damn time and LONG overdue that something
other than the alternative and independent media did this.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/edito= rials/la-ed-foxnews-20101217,0,6952663.story


>> read a book (preferably and old one).
>
> It = just hit me, when reading the part of your post talking about
> "= ;saying no to yourself", that one old book that well describes these > thoughts is "Siddharta" by Herman Hesse. I like everything I= 've read
> by that guy. Yes, old books they are - but in 2011 sud= denly just right
> on the spot! Damn, I'll buy a bunch of them fo= r my sons as X-mas
> gifts. Thank you, Ted, one more daily issue solved!! ;-))
>
= > Last X-mas I gave them another book - whatever it is called in English=
> (The Prince..?) - by that Italian guy that lived some four or... a= h
> yeah MACCIAVELLI, that was his name. He was the first class couch for<= br>> kings and just about anyone who had more powerz than brainz back in=
> the dayz. And Maciavelly really taught The Path of The Snake (rath= er
> than the Path of The Eagle, known as the "good guy's" ch= oice... och
> OFF-Toppic-ing into esotherics here.... sorry, back on = track we go).
> But this book has to be discussed if handed over to..= . not just young
> people, anyone! Because M's sinister methods still work and are> practiced daily by politicians and other decision makers.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli<= /a>
>
> Per
>





-- =
Petri Lahtinen
http://www.petrilahtinen.com
http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/
http://w= ww.myspace.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen
http://petrilahtinen.= bandcamp.com/
---------------------------------------------------
"Only become pr= ofessional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
--------= -------------------------------------------
"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-


--00151747c1360b73c00497e0094e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 23:39:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35FE6183480; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <67D7BD7FB92D487CAB28904751B18427@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: ,<838513.12522.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<726302687839749391@unknownmsgid>,,<916190.82124.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,<4244811946201215669@unknownmsgid>,,,<971B5D4C-6FD5-4B4D-BE68-F8BB436F3555@charter.net>,,,<744256.67553.qm@web120720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <4D0FB9AF.7070208@gmail.com> <4D0FBAB8.4020107@googlemail.com> <4D0FBECC.2060100@gmail.com> <87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com> In-Reply-To: <87A197B4-BE86-49FE-8741-8D9C10C3D89C@ubergadget.com> Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:40:00 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01CBA09F.37EB68D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:39:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01CBA09F.37EB68D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BFFiresign Theater put it this way: =E2=80=9CI said live it or live with it!=E2=80=9D ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01CBA09F.37EB68D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Firesign Theater put it this way:
=E2=80=9CI said live it or live with it!=E2=80=9D
 
------=_NextPart_000_0067_01CBA09F.37EB68D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 23:45:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1841218349F; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nq9oSkDhH4rTxfa2zQCUHomnZrxqXirclCP+mtIaRvI=; b=DEX0ZHk0P4jxdxmDmWSp64D8UNFNI+hyEH3U6vsKN2cQxzZmn9hfp8u/8VBZHOZfsy trTl1eYuf84Jd5BhZ4iNyBsvNZwqMUYb8n0QTtdnwv8zYYWCqf4VAa/4qkJ8M24PJA7W B5rXjjlbR6K4kcIrtB16iBR+/AO0yajB+kOWY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=EQIuTDFa8LxLvFRRSE/lbrFZ6GPJ7MsL1IIKUmGRMX2G5PbRVvxvWuFqv2aWJTcN++ f6bWxCp4LmfcRQjjNdOcOULk2vd7vV+UM6rhynBX/iiDq7rKn3GU27m3wF7l0djHje42 A3nAt4q+f6qaT5WjfmsQ3V6J5KdOesC92EtF0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20101219173426.64827183473@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:45:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: meeetings with remarkable sounds From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5bd862a23de0497e01e12 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:45:43 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5bd862a23de0497e01e12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 very nice Michael as always! cheers Luis On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/meetings-with-remarkable-sounds > > 75 minutes of ambient and experimental improvised music by the duo > "matebb&veloopity" which is my friend Matthias Ebbinghaus and me, recorded > between 2001 and 2009. We are both very happy with this mix. FREE DOWNLOAD > until end of December, so have fun and repost everywhere!! > > Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > > > --001636c5bd862a23de0497e01e12 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
very nice Michael as always!
cheers
Luis

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Michael Peters = <mp@mpeters.de>= ; wrote:
http://ve= loopity.bandcamp.com/album/meetings-with-remarkable-sounds

75 minutes of ambient and experimental improvised music by the duo
&= quot;matebb&veloopity" which is my friend Matthias Ebbinghaus and = me, recorded
between 2001 and 2009. We are both very happy with this mix= . FREE DOWNLOAD
until end of December, so have fun and repost everywhere!!

Michaelwww.michaelpet= ers.de



--001636c5bd862a23de0497e01e12-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 20 23:51:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E3441834B1; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=naH8BKZYUOaXeL4RsghJ4d/vwm1GRnaG06DWTd7Y6r0=; b=ACpTurbe0+zeL/aPH3kbrl/coJfJI58FZKz0CzYLcF1wurKV+qayip4qO+Cv2WFenn AzdJ6kIrxoktN1M/OyEbK4N+2v+XnizwnevljdySxXSCJF6s/S7jkU5tz1U2ugeDG4Lg 0pr27BAPEqi3KiIS5sRqBXeU0sRLCaRzqzXc0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=IRaHvLT+t7HQ5PdWexIYzJuRDTYM11QrdoeGQjwZ+W1gpMU3GwZoY9U8CDMpqukhgI r3iykz3JXzd4KSrexSFylCQirjRtB3mRwegPzfL/R0m8F9N01B5ALhCNVh2zD6Kr0dnz oMpGsVubqKZq4X0sB5QUa5Bd7Kv9BcM8xFNDs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <828348.59986.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <828348.59986.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:51:00 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: yvvzYOH8rKNb1rJZcQSUqA0Uw4w Message-ID: Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8f3a6405670497e0324a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:51:21 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8f3a6405670497e0324a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > Nahh. You're wrong, my friend. I was there. snip snip.. revelling in the heady days of hippydom... > I'd take the 60's any day over the horrendous past decade. But you are wrong... that was the 60's for YOU.. but if you came from Sheffield, or Staines, or Oslo or Moscow or any single city in the world apart from San Francisco or New York or Paris or London... then the 60's wernt swinging.... No they were reeling in povertyu as a result of the financial burden the war put on the world. My Dad said once, "You know Mark, the 60s was just a lot of nonsense, I never saw the swinging 60s and I live in London, I was at technical college, went to the pub, in a flat cap, wearing a brown suit, with my engineering mates, I saw one hippy once when we went out to the west end once... My step mother, smiles at this point and says... David, I wont say any more.. but you are wrong.. The 60s WERE swinging, I promise you, oh yes... " She was in her 20s in the 60 married to a RAF captain and living in a mews flat in Chelsea, you cant get more 60s than that for London... probably had David Bailey as a neighbour... I think some people had a good time, but the hyperbole was enormous!!! Same goes for the Roaring 20s... Worse poverty in the England at that same time, but the children of the rich famillies, succesfully made a big thing out of it, in an attempt to hide the grim aftermath of the great war... and.. tEd said... Do yourselves a favor and watch the (rather longish) BBC documentary called "The Century of the Self" if you ever have the chance. Totally fab! Love this! Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8f3a6405670497e0324a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Paul R= ichards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:
Nahh. You're wrong, my friend. I was there.
snip snip= .. revelling in the heady days of hippydom...
I'd take the 60's any day over the horrendous past decade.

But you are wrong... that was the 60's fo= r YOU.. but if you came from Sheffield, or Staines, or Oslo or Moscow or an= y single city in the world apart from San Francisco or New York or Paris or= London... then the 60's wernt swinging.... No they were reeling in pov= ertyu as a result of the financial burden the war put on the world.

My Dad said once, "You know Mark, the 60s was just a lot of nonsen= se, I never saw the swinging 60s and I live in London, I was at technical c= ollege, went to the pub, in a flat cap, wearing a brown suit, with my engin= eering mates, I saw one hippy once when we went out to the west end once...= My step mother, smiles at this point and says... David, I wont say any mor= e.. but you are wrong.. The 60s WERE swinging, I promise you, oh yes... &qu= ot; She was in her 20s in the 60 married to a RAF captain and living in a m= ews flat in Chelsea, you cant get more 60s than that for London... probably= had David Bailey as a neighbour...

I think some people had a good time, but the hyperbole was enormous!!!<= br>
Same goes for the Roaring 20s... Worse poverty in the England at tha= t same time, but the children of the rich famillies, succesfully made a big= thing out of it, in an attempt to hide the grim aftermath of the great war= ...

and..
tEd said...

Do yourselves a favor and watch the (rather longish) BBC documentary called "The Century of the Self" if you ever have the chance.

To= tally fab! Love this!



Mark


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--90e6ba6e8f3a6405670497e0324a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 00:11:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D4261834A2; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=ugODx0xLLY3XnH2PgtrWbSksiJyAYDvbMgRnUVW1WA8=; b=gF2GSK55+iihtCkS3u2xl+zX9WolMjd+toscqf0jZ8mYFrWgRHkx5+DwZHoyMM2i6O 2CeVWtdMH1mzCFT+CahWnYVkejYPAS2RhiN44lBmTJGlWw4Ep9OZJgPIoguTFuUO8FEu WtCCWjjVKjxaPbodX80um+tguj/Kc1tEK8f3s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=fidKWLlSw7/rLdoIQErzsesFHS9LtoFFhfsynNWNa/Fn5Z1spstINJMnCyz96jNgPo yRe/LMfVJviN6NYS6iH3rgLmOUmL6Uu2NtmnTpUfE0aDbGAsrvl9pOMb84EP3TFN0JYL YmnEDR0iYm3Mr3o94PIQDdUx2PlcdELxPSsYY= Message-Id: <88FB0C7E-D935-401B-A5DE-036DD751F158@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <828348.59986.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:10:54 -0800 References: <828348.59986.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:11:04 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > For a while, just a short while, a lot of things changed and it was > a really cool scene from many different perspectives. And then the plutocrats, oligarchs, theocrats and authoritarian right wingers flipped out -- they ramped up think tanks and consolidated media to push legislative and judicial agendas, and effectively used conservative talk radio to spread propaganda and disinformation -- techniques developed in advertising and psy-ops to manipulate, control, repress and suppress. What you see now is the result of a very successful campaign to rewrite history and skew its trajectory. Reagan came into office and America's head went up its ass. Forget about the environment, social justice and all the hippy pervert commie stuff. Greed is good, and be sure to embrace denial so that pesky facts don't intrude on your dreams of power, domination and conservative orthodoxy (morals and values). Apparently, the oil baron Koch brothers spent almost $900 million dollars just in 2009 to distort and muddy the messaging around the debate about climate change issues. Even basic things like the theory of evolution are smothered in caustic claptrap and bullshit. I would put the underlying message and impulse of the Sixties simply as -- Live Gently. Stop the raping and pillaging of the planet. Live as a symbiont, instead of a host destroying parasite. Become more aware of the interconnectedness of living systems and work to reduce the suffering caused by our ignorant, overwhelming, and short-sighted predation against the planet. Nothing magical, just basic common sense -- you'd think, unless that ability to think is impaired by sociopathic ideological toxic memes and lousy education. Pro-bonobo, peace groovy love etc. etc. cheers BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 00:16:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57B3918345A; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FR4F9RxMJJaXMEjZExf/wRJ7bb5cgm7KF3Sc4l8LktY=; b=RZGLZYJqU7UK2BLHzalrPJ1HuCy2m36Rn1GBDFiNDcpPn2IeOQOZaIHpmhnxTo/8TI WN9KkPncKrdO9QiEbak8hQMl9HzChH/MAFvHSQOwmA81d6YBln+o9ucwgcw7d/E9MqpE 8zFlbfAD77LthWe4MldFND8MsldAanxkegFTU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=TXN0+O7iMt8HDenUa6DUBRS+zymS2Yh2wSUgkX7XZAK08Cz8ZW8Hawl9XhG6jIhmWZ 7Fq7zbDUpSFmz9vgDPqc7J8TJvhPBuJDaKJg47voO3N9GnUqPtHGZPXswV4c29yT7KTu yKWclqcKsqWn4T4etG4DrTQvxdXC9CcT9UAp4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 02:16:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a66ba042d20497e08c80 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:16:36 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a66ba042d20497e08c80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Raul! I envy you! :-DDD 2010/12/20 Raul Bonell > i have no heating at home & have just washed dishes dressing a t-shirt. i > bet this year we're not seeing a single snowflake. it's the perfect place= to > build that retiremet house for loopers. maybe it's true that saying, we > don't belong to europe but africa. > > ra=FCl. > -- > > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D > > La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los banco= s > inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y = a > las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo pa= ra > los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngel= a!!! =BFY > qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, para n= o enfadar > a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados... > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a66ba042d20497e08c80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Raul!

I envy you!

:-DDD

201= 0/12/20 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
i have no heating at home & have just washed dishes dressing a t-shirt.= i bet this year we're not seeing a single snowflake. it's the perf= ect place to build that retiremet house for loopers. maybe it's true th= at saying, we don't belong to europe but africa.

ra=FCl.
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La UE = y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos inyect= an liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a las PY= MES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los b= ancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela!!!=A0= =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, par= a no enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados...




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--20cf3054a66ba042d20497e08c80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 00:18:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D9E0183497; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:references:from:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=C/Ip8zHYUxwxldhHsDcEUtEIEVv8w3UL7KCiMA1yH20=; b=DOGHkry2mLnxrlhL2P1Pj6PS9dhkEgMbdCLGhF1uwSr1GRU0wxE+J8eqkWGh2kRoeD POxQyUldwVuA9zcTajp65XzpcgJ6dVtu1+QOQ/iogTONALPJ8XcET5HnTCN/kLBLQjrz /PQYqZJt7KzW8dNm4MQfOrDcro9kOq8tY3SSE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=R7P1AvFdbn2OtqkichuW9tG/v6gbEbIEFWZa0U5Ibv/wPycNSKFNSywuz83pHzVCCv gK9zLnq9SsMM59/ZELHaN5USN0tYprd2Z+d6zqY30zaaOxE94FOE6uciqsVDVXU2+thI /8X7FEYbYr97grBbMk+xwRkm27imsgZMvl6Jo= References: <828348.59986.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <88FB0C7E-D935-401B-A5DE-036DD751F158@gmail.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <88FB0C7E-D935-401B-A5DE-036DD751F158@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 01:19:02 +0100 Message-ID: <-5650213650728401903@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Well said Bob.. I almost feel like printing that out and standing in the streets handing it out! Mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 21 Dec 2010, at 01:11, RP Collier wrote: > > On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > >> For a while, just a short while, a lot of things changed and it was a re= ally cool scene from many different perspectives. > > > And then the plutocrats, oligarchs, theocrats and authoritarian right win= gers flipped out -- they ramped up think tanks and consolidated media to pu= sh legislative and judicial agendas, and effectively used conservative talk= radio to spread propaganda and disinformation -- techniques developed in a= dvertising and psy-ops to manipulate, control, repress and suppress. > > What you see now is the result of a very successful campaign to rewrite h= istory and skew its trajectory. > Reagan came into office and America's head went up its ass. > Forget about the environment, social justice and all the hippy pervert co= mmie stuff. > Greed is good, and be sure to embrace denial so that pesky facts don't in= trude on your dreams of power, domination and conservative orthodoxy (moral= s and values). > Apparently, the oil baron Koch brothers spent almost $900 million dollars= just in 2009 to distort and muddy the messaging around the debate about cl= imate change issues. > Even basic things like the theory of evolution are smothered in caustic c= laptrap and bullshit. > > I would put the underlying message and impulse of the Sixties simply as -= - Live Gently. > Stop the raping and pillaging of the planet. > Live as a symbiont, instead of a host destroying parasite. > Become more aware of the interconnectedness of living systems and work to= reduce the suffering caused by our ignorant, overwhelming, and short-sight= ed predation against the planet. > > Nothing magical, just basic common sense -- you'd think, unless that abil= ity to think is impaired by sociopathic ideological toxic memes and lousy e= ducation. > > > Pro-bonobo, peace groovy love etc. etc. > > cheers > > > BobC > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 00:19:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67B5A1834A7; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292890787; bh=09cON7iPwdY4onqFaC28dTyj3LtU8A3lML/sttET7RY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sWnn6y4wAVL6seeNClpqReq2gt9HIghCEDF/hLnor3VR25uTV6VE8/S9l3DME68ZTFUYNofZ45iAkhINf1VIBZC+cfZEjKkiXvmOGQB5a5NzbeY5mhNGZDlwUyemIC15r4FhMISg56tYJBvw6k0fqEBDpG3tRbSaYeFjq391icM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yLW7LTtVo/yiHolNQWwykVfUjPn9vTPRtiF1acgvwhJFmz3UMIDmvzhhgUz0b4N6WEdWukn4NTfxpmVsfwQ9SIkZpe2+2l7Zp/Nd4SCknIyd0W+QYTF0RKh1VJg66HJepIEQZObuEh+gB+03WrcwK5SfvZHuJHbApmB9Hq5Yro4=; Message-ID: <741122.77345.qm@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 4wcnGDgVM1mzkeT.wAnpO2sObRrC2XXZqpSiyS7WBuP.dqp o65hes9at4_jxdq2VSr9GsEZmEvC5u2rIEDG_QULNG18Bp.DVtBbFI64XRGa RnEh2E7jxTQnUxqKQ3PDpSKOpNpBCaLYuBfKpgW89VCkzA.XN.WxkfKhZa0P 587.ToVyXcC8xQN4QNHj6Z_SNrsGX1JUZWJacOH7a6TECyjJ3SWmdn.Cr7ee 9oQ6sg89rx_Z7GrHR93v.YCsUmqaGMABgkLzaZA_4K56P0b8R64OdCCzy9wQ cUa93jludc9hVbEA1CLKK0smu8XpP4SFENK6yWbYYHvwxqYa3mV85qOsZtVV vjpWQU1UA.LQbcm6.A2AoDlittRyO1hoUL.q4TI_hWSn8PsmkpAI- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:19:47 -0800 (PST) From: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D0FDA07.6020705@boomerangmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-126442559-1292890787=:77345" Resent-Message-ID: <_8jpb.A.BmD.lK_DNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:19:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-126442559-1292890787=:77345 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, that's great. But AMS & Amazon.com appear to be positioning the Boome= rang as power supply needed. Check out this link: http://www.amazon.com/Boomerang-III-Phrase-Sampler-E-156/dp/B0035WTPL0/ref= =3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dmusical-instruments&qid=3D1292890362&sr=3D1-1 The Boomerang description on the above two sites (www.americanmusical.com &= amazon.com) doesn't clarify this and it 'appears' as if the power supply i= s a needed add-on. 'Sorry for any confusion if I'm mis-reading their websites. I was about to = buy one last week. Jake --- On Mon, 12/20/10, Mike wrote: From: Mike Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not Included in Price To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 2:34 PM =A0=A0=A0 Hold on, partner. You're getting your wagon in front of the horse= ... or something like that. Each and every pedal sold by Boomerang comes wi= th a power supply, has always come with a power supply and will always come= with a power supply if it is not a battery powered pedal. =A0=A0=A0 Just to ensure that this comment does not go viral... ALL BOOMERA= NG PEDALS ARE SHIPPED WITH A POWER SUPPLY. =A0=A0=A0 Merry Christmas. On 20-Dec-10 4:19 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: > Is this a new trend? I can see a pedal that is optionally BATTERY-POWERED= not including a power supply but a > device that is NOT battery-powered??? What good is the unit w/o a power s= upply? > I can that making an items price more attractive and possibly competitive= is an advantage of not including the > power supply but is a power supplys wholesale cost $18.00 in the first pl= ace? > No offense to the designer/manufacturer Mike, but it's a little gouge-y. --=20 Mike Nelson Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. ---------- "Some products make you sound better; Boomerang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better." ---------- 1-800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com Contact for repairs: Lee Hardesty 1516 Victoria Drive Denton, TX=A0 76209 hardesty@mindspring.com 940-382-3253 Billing Address: Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. PO Box 3788 Grapevine, TX=A0 76099-3788 =0A=0A=0A --0-126442559-1292890787=:77345 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, that's great. But AMS & Amazon.com = appear to be positioning the Boomerang as power supply needed. Check out th= is link:

http://www.amazon.com/Boomerang-III-Phrase-Sampler-E-156/dp= /B0035WTPL0/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dmusical-instruments&qid=3D12= 92890362&sr=3D1-1

The Boomerang description on the above two sit= es (www.americanmusical.com & amazon.com) doesn't clarify this and it '= appears' as if the power supply is a needed add-on.

'Sorry for any c= onfusion if I'm mis-reading their websites. I was about to buy one last wee= k.

Jake

--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Mike <mnelson@boomeran= gmusic.com> wrote:

From: Mike &l= t;mnelson@boomerangmusic.com>
Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply Not= Included in Price
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday, December= 20, 2010, 2:34 PM

    Hold = on, partner. You're getting your wagon in front of the horse... or somethin= g like that. Each and every pedal sold by Boomerang comes with a power supp= ly, has always come with a power supply and will always come with a power s= upply if it is not a battery powered pedal.
    Just to e= nsure that this comment does not go viral... ALL BOOMERANG PEDALS ARE SHIPP= ED WITH A POWER SUPPLY.

    Merry Christmas.

O= n 20-Dec-10 4:19 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
> Is this a new trend? I ca= n see a pedal that is optionally BATTERY-POWERED not including a power supp= ly but a
> device that is NOT battery-powered??? What good is the uni= t w/o a power supply?
> I can that making an items price more attract= ive and possibly competitive is an advantage of not including the
> power supply but is a power supplys wholesale cost $18.00 in t= he first place?
> No offense to the designer/manufacturer Mike, but i= t's a little gouge-y.

--
Mike Nelson
Secretary/Treasurer, Boo= merang Management, Inc.
General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, L= td.

----------

"Some products make you sound better;
Boom= erang(R) Phrase Samplers makes you play better."

----------

1= -800-530-4699 * 1-817-421-2762, Outside USA * 1-817-251-8509, Fax

http://www.boomer= angmusic.com

Contact for repairs:
Lee Hardesty
1516 Victor= ia Drive
Denton, TX  76209
hardesty@mindspr= ing.com
940-382-3253

Billing Address:
Boomerang Musical Pr= oducts, Ltd.
PO Box 3788
Grapevine, TX  76099-3788


=0A=0A --0-126442559-1292890787=:77345-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 00:23:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DC921834B5; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=s8JW7wbJ3V3CNXdFXyoLYaqkdGhBC4Lwj8UrhEPXTTo=; b=eHUqQr5NIwaa/DJzYby0vNWH9npC8gxiNgyjP1jQ2tVOpkRZlKJBWsDN4yRyUPftUA ghATG0xQaJlAiVloq+peHzG4YBw7cyOP2cmxHDQkw5n2DxBmxO5AZ8J0JHVZyWj+JNXW 9hTTTLzX/iraQuSjkVX+z2qNfZA3cVsOHvIb0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=wt/0k1Ug2sOj8VI8yAY9jBoVBMGDEaw4oxjxoz1IM+UcyNHQe1b96QxXm7pUpcJPSI niSa2Ivrxak0p/4ogDfNFf4MqwVkL7MH3LldpcDh2EB0x2yn3MzAdWT/GcQI8JrIYUbF thAo3+YiufbYzTqdA7IHgVmGYi3sOI5Rs8LvI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20101219173426.64827183473@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 01:23:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: meeetings with remarkable sounds From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636427489b60f460497e0a60c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:23:53 +0000 (UTC) --001636427489b60f460497e0a60c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeszzz.. we love freebies! 2010/12/21 Louie Angulo > very nice Michael as always! > cheers > Luis > > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > >> http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/meetings-with-remarkable-sounds >> >> 75 minutes of ambient and experimental improvised music by the duo >> "matebb&veloopity" which is my friend Matthias Ebbinghaus and me, record= ed >> between 2001 and 2009. We are both very happy with this mix. FREE DOWNLO= AD >> until end of December, so have fun and repost everywhere!! >> >> Michael >> www.michaelpeters.de >> >> >> > --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela!= !! =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, para no = enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados... Renunciad a la huelga, a la negociaci=F3n colectiva, a una sanidad y una educaci=F3n de calidad y gratu=EDta, renunciad a una pensi=F3n suficiente, = a una legislaci=F3n laboral que d=E9 seguridad al trabajador y a su familia y lo proteja frente abusos y el despido, renunciemos a una jubilaci=F3n antes de morir o estar tan deteriorado que cuando llegue solo nos quede esperar nuestra muerte y aliviar nuestro sufrimiento y dolor... Bajemos los impuestos a las grandes empresas, a los mercados financieros, a los bancos, a los grandes capitales que pueden hundir un pa=EDs con la simp= le acci=F3n de sacar su dinero y llev=E1rselo a M=F3naco, Andorra o Luxemburgo= , liberad de cargas fiscales a los dioses... Hagamos todos los esfuerzos en nuestra mano, en manos del pueblo, POR EL CRECIMIENTO DE LA ECONOM=CDA Y LA TRANQUILIDAD DE LOS MERCADOS. Palabra de dios, am=E9n. =A1=A1=A1El pueblo, unido, jam=E1s ser=E1 vencido!!! --001636427489b60f460497e0a60c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeszzz.. we love freebies!

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very nice Michael as always!
cheers
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--001636427489b60f460497e0a60c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 00:32:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA0261834C2; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292891540; bh=0L9ksORz8oXciVPlra3I9PSQ0UH3VLYC0BjYi8JIxOs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SzKYCKvz8Rr8XJEBqwb5ekG4ZL5f7JdSPXSZr4JAwLGq+RSPkHTNpxxLZXx2cU5vN95MpV4a288U7OO4QkRYwigES9D1fv+h5xJKunlZpKuCOcEEK1X1VnZc6TWG8y7RfP5DpE0ceRlUEx1d9Y3NoDTu4DTHfIh3zt8+/3kuqAg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YjmOj0+CBTcyqBzlDLFDqU8aK4MzDgJ7CyQK43Cf3D6vAGkGxYGjKlBCkhtginADS/XGAoHTKOLNmb4cj5j1jr2Kbm0MGe9nrW9xitNB9Gwj+7dRwTmHyFZtePSMYvOxwIppGqJNqbsVwrsoweG1puDK0l8ox15xpeck55GSxXs=; Message-ID: <677056.73033.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: IUqBKeEVM1nn3PG1OKT7z0Lw_XuHZ.aVwQragdc5r0Li0m8 fVQAmH0Spb1kyge8u4ixPBnQvXy4Edy2Z_BWbMhQ4E7UjAK4ZoiJ_ukwbYvi PY7l3omnidLEnpAttUfB6kHzIwuf.sBlSjmTf6fBm2nL5aWEVY612LBALMN8 X97HgSTYd5KwOgfhE_t8mNGoOMKH_Le543VQtJ392C9kbugNMn559ep9wytp ZEVOyj3NTrjChb5DuRKDqzjBPRyYCYBbgmm5Oe7s_otzn3EXwodEPelSkt8A 9R7SCjunRPIPCcggiEQbrAJZTRUo4hBV3WU587O1b5tc3bPMTEv2gAF1Tdo6 XofBi6SbOY2t_7STgESM_8JqDwOgXNQWmDXncjORyoGQVW7sttkaeWvogC9y fwDQ7bKOZBVXG X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:32:20 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1221107019-1292891540=:73033" Resent-Message-ID: <4EYmT.A.g8D.VW_DNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:32:22 +0000 (UTC) --0-1221107019-1292891540=:73033 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Snip-snip apart from San Francisco or New York or Paris or London.. snippie Well-I lived in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in a working class neighborhood. Not exactly S.F. In any case, the '60's era in the U.S. doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what was going on in Mombassa nor in Gdansk. For those that participated in that short-lived time, it was memorable. Luckily I recorded a local radio station from that era that played so-called "psychedelic" music on reel-to-reel tape and converted the audio to mp3/wav. The leap music made in those days was phenomenal. Anyway, what do you know? Probably never even went to Woodstock. Wait a minute! Neither did I. But I could have! :) (stolen from Chilly Scenes of a Winter). --- On Mon, 12/20/10, mark francombe wrote: From: mark francombe Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 6:51 PM On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Paul Richards wrote: Nahh. You're wrong, my friend. I was there. snip snip.. revelling in the heady days of hippydom... I'd take the 60's any day over the horrendous past decade. But you are wrong... that was the 60's for YOU.. but if you came from Sheffield, or Staines, or Oslo or Moscow or any single city in the world apart from San Francisco or New York or Paris or London... then the 60's wernt swinging.... No they were reeling in povertyu as a result of the financial burden the war put on the world. My Dad said once, "You know Mark, the 60s was just a lot of nonsense, I never saw the swinging 60s and I live in London, I was at technical college, went to the pub, in a flat cap, wearing a brown suit, with my engineering mates, I saw one hippy once when we went out to the west end once... My step mother, smiles at this point and says... David, I wont say any more.. but you are wrong.. The 60s WERE swinging, I promise you, oh yes... " She was in her 20s in the 60 married to a RAF captain and living in a mews flat in Chelsea, you cant get more 60s than that for London... probably had David Bailey as a neighbour... I think some people had a good time, but the hyperbole was enormous!!! Same goes for the Roaring 20s... Worse poverty in the England at that same time, but the children of the rich famillies, succesfully made a big thing out of it, in an attempt to hide the grim aftermath of the great war... and.. tEd said... Do yourselves a favor and watch the (rather longish) BBC documentary called "The Century of the Self" if you ever have the chance. Totally fab! Love this! Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0-1221107019-1292891540=:73033 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Snip-snip
apart from San Francisco or New York or Paris or London..
snippie

Well-I lived in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in a working class neighborhood. Not exactly S.F. In any case, the '60's era in the U.S. doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what was going on in Mombassa nor in Gdansk. For those that participated in that short-lived time, it was memorable.

Luckily I recorded a local radio station from that era that played so-called "psychedelic" music on reel-to-reel tape and converted the audio to mp3/wav. The leap music made in those days was phenomenal.

Anyway, what do you know? Probably never even went to Woodstock. Wait a minute! Neither did I. But I could have! :) (stolen from Chilly Scenes of a Winter).

--- On Mon, 12/20/10, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 6:51 PM



On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:
Nahh. You're wrong, my friend. I was there.
snip snip.. revelling in the heady days of hippydom...
I'd take the 60's any day over the horrendous past decade.

But you are wrong... that was the 60's for YOU.. but if you came from Sheffield, or Staines, or Oslo or Moscow or any single city in the world apart from San Francisco or New York or Paris or London... then the 60's wernt swinging.... No they were reeling in povertyu as a result of the financial burden the war put on the world.

My Dad said once, "You know Mark, the 60s was just a lot of nonsense, I never saw the swinging 60s and I live in London, I was at technical college, went to the pub, in a flat cap, wearing a brown suit, with my engineering mates, I saw one hippy once when we went out to the west end once... My step mother, smiles at this point and says... David, I wont say any more.. but you are wrong.. The 60s WERE swinging, I promise you, oh yes... " She was in her 20s in the 60 married to a RAF captain and living in a mews flat in Chelsea, you cant get more 60s than that for London... probably had David Bailey as a neighbour...

I think some people had a good time, but the hyperbole was enormous!!!

Same goes for the Roaring 20s... Worse poverty in the England at that same time, but the children of the rich famillies, succesfully made a big thing out of it, in an attempt to hide the grim aftermath of the great war...

and..
tEd said...

Do yourselves a favor and watch the (rather longish) BBC documentary called "The Century of the Self" if you ever have the chance.

Totally fab! Love this!



Mark


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--0-1221107019-1292891540=:73033-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 00:35:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3171A1834CD; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... References: <828348.59986.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <88FB0C7E-D935-401B-A5DE-036DD751F158@gmail.com> <-5650213650728401903@unknownmsgid> From: "Andy Owens" thread-topic: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... thread-index: AcugptA2ZDJedGKmSmmDfRsXhSjiWQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: <-5650213650728401903@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:33:22 -0500 To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2010 00:35:05.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9A17900:01CBA0A6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Hey man ya'll all got it wrong, the sixties was all about gettin' laid with n= o terminal STDs!!!! Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 20, 2010, at 7:18 PM, mark francombe wrote:= > Well said Bob.. I almost feel like printing that out and standing in > the streets handing it out! >=20 >=20 > Mark >=20 > Sent from my (advertisement removed) >=20 > On 21 Dec 2010, at 01:11, RP Collier wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Paul Richards wrote: >>=20 >>> For a while, just a short while, a lot of things changed and it was a re= ally cool scene from many different perspectives. >>=20 >>=20 >> And then the plutocrats, oligarchs, theocrats and authoritarian right win= gers flipped out -- they ramped up think tanks and consolidated media to pus= h legislative and judicial agendas, and effectively used conservative talk r= adio to spread propaganda and disinformation -- techniques developed in adve= rtising and psy-ops to manipulate, control, repress and suppress. >>=20 >> What you see now is the result of a very successful campaign to rewrite h= istory and skew its trajectory. >> Reagan came into office and America's head went up its ass. >> Forget about the environment, social justice and all the hippy pervert co= mmie stuff. >> Greed is good, and be sure to embrace denial so that pesky facts don't in= trude on your dreams of power, domination and conservative orthodoxy (morals= and values). >> Apparently, the oil baron Koch brothers spent almost $900 million dollars= just in 2009 to distort and muddy the messaging around the debate about cli= mate change issues. >> Even basic things like the theory of evolution are smothered in caustic c= laptrap and bullshit. >>=20 >> I would put the underlying message and impulse of the Sixties simply as -= - Live Gently. >> Stop the raping and pillaging of the planet. >> Live as a symbiont, instead of a host destroying parasite. >> Become more aware of the interconnectedness of living systems and work to= reduce the suffering caused by our ignorant, overwhelming, and short-sighte= d predation against the planet. >>=20 >> Nothing magical, just basic common sense -- you'd think, unless that abil= ity to think is impaired by sociopathic ideological toxic memes and lousy ed= ucation. >>=20 >>=20 >> Pro-bonobo, peace groovy love etc. etc. >>=20 >> cheers >>=20 >>=20 >> BobC >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 00:53:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FA5F1834DF; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5B8D60FD-8FDA-40F9-A29D-511A489E957D@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: EDP loop capture Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:53:48 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:53:55 +0000 (UTC) "Would it be possible without a lot of fancy footwork to use either the Looperlative or the RC-50 to do loop capture from an EDP (or a stereo pair of EDPs)?" ????? Mark I feel this question is a bit vague so its hard for me to answer, but I'll try. Of course its very easy to run one looper in to another and resample loops, I do this all the time using the M-9 to create a loop and resample it using my Looperlative, I assume it would be just as easy with an EDP or two feeding an RC-50, looperlative or other stereo looper, however the RC-50 is somewhat limited in what it can do compared to the Looperlative and I'm not sure if it has a true stereo input, someone chime in please.. But fancy footwork? By that do you mean having one controller control both units? I personally prefer having separate control surfaces for separate loopers, though I'm no Savion Glover, it takes the guess work out of having to figure out which loop you are controlling from one midi pedal. I thought you went so far as to buy a looperlative? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 04:07:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 750C6183459; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 04:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1292904468; bh=Iqu2zyR2sIzPplZL1mbdH5tzwq/VReD2PG3sgIqjKlY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rDCpxdXUkTMyXDt8tujMkTNLnhJ83EyISyBzd4HQKtkhhBf455CR+UoateKuEp4a92xWGOwFHcYCTpfazMATpErKqd9w2rcc1419O3GTNqwmIEZnbGzjQhzQ7NMdY+Bq9QJ2G+NMzrDjw4pvbqBZn1xpDq7xYiTeANLgQQMau5k= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6vWqiApcTXIcZpAozAY9iibbvzx9xVfVnJEM/Akyx60ZfScY3RLyqa7FPoaEFbkwGkc4yM+MJedZ6mHZ8W1WdLKaSN2PGOPfmPSUAQ3qxWASubdcosQxn31xPPgp3jdLmjSDb6o+qloNd2ISt1aHhbaIl3mYQDWgH5HoRA2k8m8=; Message-ID: <342397.57624.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: rit1ufEVM1knGmVpI9cyebDE7mQDW6NTYyo866MXtbdB52p xAMWRpLpKcVV4Cf_DrvdWahnMzu9zrgGgfDqNdhWPEGAa2Rz2T6W0QvOvz5P iIT6nGDzxeq75AX1xwRrD6C91yVkyNkGfa1vLBMEpTkKuz0Y0OjG6wsPuHrA Dqyvgh_MzNoKBc_PMl.HHaKOGgnt7pX2tgS6LAj6F_wUa1EHefNir4_S5uzN oW2XZ6n2HbwKuJ6DbFcQ0lQ5VW05_MIbhhc.ZOI_mXWNqxK6mX2Lq861ATtb 53yGgE7SoLeqbieWr5k4QxVnDKbfnzbWbiX6A9b0BDU_8iWBQp8XxWh_MYt6 ZDCh9awx_2871h8jO0pGZd6_KKp8uhuDz5xm3GeV0TxCM2azUF6XwPifP.ed CFPMyP5XM0EAIsw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:07:47 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1889024320-1292904467=:57624" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 04:07:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-1889024320-1292904467=:57624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well-that is self evident to anyone from that era (i.e. dinosaurs). Bedrooms were like revolving doors. It was nice while it lasted but got old after a while. --- On Mon, 12/20/10, Andy Owens wrote: From: Andy Owens Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 7:33 PM Hey man ya'll all got it wrong, the sixties was all about gettin' laid with no terminal STDs!!!! Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 20, 2010, at 7:18 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Well said Bob.. I almost feel like printing that out and standing in > the streets handing it out! > > > Mark > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 21 Dec 2010, at 01:11, RP Collier wrote: > >> >> On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Paul Richards wrote: >> >>> For a while, just a short while, a lot of things changed and it was a really cool scene from many different perspectives. >> >> >> And then the plutocrats, oligarchs, theocrats and authoritarian right wingers flipped out -- they ramped up think tanks and consolidated media to push legislative and judicial agendas, and effectively used conservative talk radio to spread propaganda and disinformation -- techniques developed in advertising and psy-ops to manipulate, control, repress and suppress. >> >> What you see now is the result of a very successful campaign to rewrite history and skew its trajectory. >> Reagan came into office and America's head went up its ass. >> Forget about the environment, social justice and all the hippy pervert commie stuff. >> Greed is good, and be sure to embrace denial so that pesky facts don't intrude on your dreams of power, domination and conservative orthodoxy (morals and values). >> Apparently, the oil baron Koch brothers spent almost $900 million dollars just in 2009 to distort and muddy the messaging around the debate about climate change issues. >> Even basic things like the theory of evolution are smothered in caustic claptrap and bullshit. >> >> I would put the underlying message and impulse of the Sixties simply as -- Live Gently. >> Stop the raping and pillaging of the planet. >> Live as a symbiont, instead of a host destroying parasite. >> Become more aware of the interconnectedness of living systems and work to reduce the suffering caused by our ignorant, overwhelming, and short-sighted predation against the planet. >> >> Nothing magical, just basic common sense -- you'd think, unless that ability to think is impaired by sociopathic ideological toxic memes and lousy education. >> >> >> Pro-bonobo, peace groovy love etc. etc. >> >> cheers >> >> >> BobC >> > --0-1889024320-1292904467=:57624 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Well-that is self evident to anyone from that era (i.e. dinosaurs). Bedrooms were like revolving doors. It was nice while it lasted but got old after a while.

--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Andy Owens <andy@1800dialword.com> wrote:

From: Andy Owens <andy@1800dialword.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 7:33 PM

Hey man ya'll all got it wrong, the sixties was all about gettin' laid with no terminal STDs!!!!

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!


On Dec 20, 2010, at 7:18 PM, mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well said Bob.. I almost feel like printing that out and standing in
> the streets handing it out!
>
>
> Mark
>
> Sent from my (advertisement removed)
>
> On 21 Dec 2010, at 01:11, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Paul Richards wrote:
>>
>>> For a while, just a short while, a lot of things changed and it was a really cool scene from many different perspectives.
>>
>>
>> And then the plutocrats, oligarchs, theocrats and authoritarian right wingers flipped out -- they ramped up think tanks and consolidated media to push legislative and judicial agendas, and effectively used conservative talk radio to spread propaganda and disinformation -- techniques developed in advertising and psy-ops to manipulate, control, repress and suppress.
>>
>> What you see now is the result of a very successful campaign to rewrite history and skew its trajectory.
>> Reagan came into office and America's head went up its ass.
>> Forget about the environment, social justice and all the hippy pervert commie stuff.
>> Greed is good, and be sure to embrace denial so that pesky facts don't intrude on your dreams of power, domination and conservative orthodoxy (morals and values).
>> Apparently, the oil baron Koch brothers spent almost $900 million dollars just in 2009 to distort and muddy the messaging around the debate about climate change issues.
>> Even basic things like the theory of evolution are smothered in caustic claptrap and bullshit.
>>
>> I would put the underlying message and impulse of the Sixties simply as -- Live Gently.
>> Stop the raping and pillaging of the planet.
>> Live as a symbiont, instead of a host destroying parasite.
>> Become more aware of the interconnectedness of living systems and work to reduce the suffering caused by our ignorant, overwhelming, and short-sighted predation against the planet.
>>
>> Nothing magical, just basic common sense -- you'd think, unless that ability to think is impaired by sociopathic ideological toxic memes and lousy education.
>>
>>
>> Pro-bonobo, peace groovy love etc. etc.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>
>> BobC
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--0-1889024320-1292904467=:57624-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 21 04:32:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E1B518345A; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 04:32:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7lepjjBX9iypu0SHsIAljtO1kmZfSX2lMrpbhdlnV58=; b=X39F8PinDG+2FhGB8IoJ4smSiiTPUIqv9TzPFIe6DVC8XTusAmBuL1INQrfERKOCfD YNTsQ8UPt2r94ajpLyXQL9A+aO2SeVxXTlU8hpVLdRubjfCLZMQ0gvGv0HcvnOCzSmGm fMU4Xw45DSu6byJinXJCc6RmJBrJ+AgoSrBWk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=q0SeJsKOH7860RAUERADNZ8PRgnUoIkqHJMy0ZYIuNu5iPb4cNKWIgjOpXF76Q6CwT 2xPm7pT7k1OKMS5kyqMnKVhJtoAX++gaZE7L7xR9xN+iTOJMIjhsb3102jsQsauO+uKK c2QEv+/b+K68fmG+LMRa7tDofXPfyCW140EZc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-7874066572337091628@unknownmsgid> <840682.83366.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D0F6886.7000109@googlemail.com> <834613.84611.qm@web120708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 05:32:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: bundle up From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367f997e5ecc4d0497e4212c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 04:32:56 +0000 (UTC) --0016367f997e5ecc4d0497e4212c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable we're thankful for the three days of rain that are coming. it'll be cool to be in finland when summer arrives. 2010/12/21 Petri Lahtinen > Raul! > > I envy you! > > :-DDD > > 2010/12/20 Raul Bonell > >> i have no heating at home & have just washed dishes dressing a t-shirt. = i >> bet this year we're not seeing a single snowflake. it's the perfect plac= e to >> build that retiremet house for loopers. maybe it's true that saying, we >> don't belong to europe but africa. >> >> >> ra=FCl. >> -- >> >> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >> http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los banc= os >> inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y= a >> las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo p= ara >> los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1nge= la!!! =BFY >> qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, para = no enfadar >> a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados... >> >> > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen > http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen > http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ > --------------------------------------------------- > "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- > --------------------------------------------------- > "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." > -Charles Bukowski- > > --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. http://raulbonell.tumblr.com =B7 http://www.ct-collective.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D La UE y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos inyectan liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a las PYMES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los bancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela!= !! =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, para no = enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados... --0016367f997e5ecc4d0497e4212c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable we're thankful for the three days of rain that are coming.
it'l= l be cool to be in finland when summer arrives.

2010/12/21 Petri Lahtinen <= aikuinen@gmail.com>
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Raul!

I envy you!

:-DDD

2010/12/20 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
i have no heating at home & have just washed dishes dressing a t-shirt.= i bet this year we're not seeing a single snowflake. it's the perf= ect place to build that retiremet house for loopers. maybe it's true th= at saying, we don't belong to europe but africa.


ra=FCl.
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La UE = y el FMI imprimen dinero que prestan a los bancos al 1% y los bancos inyect= an liquidez (se lo prestan) a los estados con dificultades al 5% y a las PY= MES, aut=F3nomos y ciudadanos hipotecados al 8%. Negocio redondo para los b= ancos alemanes y franceses... Para todos los bancos =A1Bravo =C1ngela!!!=A0= =BFY qui=E9n pagar=E1 la deuda de los estados? El pueblo, claro est=E1, par= a no enfadar a las grandes empresas, a los bancos, a los mercados...




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http://www.petrilahtinen.com
http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com= /
http://w= ww.myspace.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen
http://petrilahtinen.= bandcamp.com/
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"Only become pr= ofessional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
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"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-



--
Petri Lahtinen
http://www.petrilahtinen.comhttp://p= etrilahtinen.blogspot.com/
http://so= undcloud.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen
http://petrilahtinen.ba= ndcamp.com/
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"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-
--20cf3054a2033f326604986787a3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 17:37:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9FA8183458; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IMwyOlPnWhyIUbjaeItTFfrKY+XLFcEx/uKYWhSlZ8Qgnc0hK4ePqtk3Y7michiL; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: <9FB424CA-96E7-4D65-844C-CAEB346948EC@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:36:58 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b58963c9673583130f2c9d58d3791431350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 97.90.119.204 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Thank you, Zoe! http://thumbjam.com/media (Scroll down to Dark Cello vid=85wow) On Dec 26, 2010, at 11:05 PM, David Coffin wrote: > iPad with a ton of music apps. Jaw on floor=85 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 17:56:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84079183458; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: RE: OT - Mahavishnu live footage Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:56:08 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:56:16 +0000 (UTC) This brings back warm memories. I saw this band on 3 separate occasions, the first being at Winterland in San Francisisco with my brother. I also saw later incarnations but the original band was my favorite. I started playing "You know You know" Last night , a tune I used to jam on with my fusion buddies at Berklee the year I was there. At the time there was a great book of Mahavishnu tunes that we were making our way through. I wish I still had that book. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 17:58:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1609D183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:58:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 214437.88783.bm@omp1021.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=szZa/v5A7rssg9xcdE9q4qON5jjV4+JanTFGuW0SEJcE5OGLRUhKWzeXYRCuAxydlRCbXqA2haIttwNqzNm+JjByLGPTnkrhsPmQUj3d9UliIewu0nwRErOmOuMGWeLEg3m9epMRQbLzxyz+otPdgMFIxJ1b7rNcwM0pxBQgWdI= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1293472699; bh=c/+YAFbtlP2sL6+Jk4iSo86bJvC7Y3lAhGpmjn0BO5o=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=z/XoSEf/0hqvwe0Uc+lTe7EpznVCE/0VoDK7U9nqM+VJWNnVTfu2RgbFhxsoAPr/0EGl09Obo1E7T2gl3oqrNYQupFC6Wy20kC4hFjYMOJnMfihU1Ia85Yrrlmolgz3EXoMJaQdzj3jxTWHcpp0tO12zfLC4rH7kk9UVcxE1vb8= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: dDrVvHQVM1kk4gcp56t938jHJbL8mcTTJGOd1.GjL2vfV0_ F5.S9ZQ3jmbobpvWNmgBcIWH0PZSqFnWH0zsWNVJYZz2Tp.In3pXa89g6Ty7 vcDGTvzCCHvLKB2xULYMw05nUSDfuaXWzyA4P2GvfzPPdExqogbXHHtnt7V_ 6isZijLj_I3CgzWluwF8eqLHcvh_I9i1ABmLnz1QrGE6tSL52yzb9vGfOYTP Ahnras9XvNtMmSFgN_0fK46jgbbPhQrJ2zFyAg2JH2vdbZxYXnifjESWx5a_ sUSbp89j3YFXMh9LIxOY- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--514600983 Message-Id: <977FBAFA-D7F7-49E1-B94B-10C99CF6CA3D@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: OT - Mahavishnu live footage Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:58:15 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:58:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--514600983 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Its still available - i got it the other day :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 27 Dec 2010, at 17:56, William Walker wrote: > This brings back warm memories. I saw this band on 3 separate > occasions, the first being at Winterland in San Francisisco with my > brother. I also saw later incarnations but the original band was my > favorite. I started playing "You know You know" Last night , a > tune I used to jam on with my fusion buddies at Berklee the year I > was there. At the time there was a great book of Mahavishnu tunes > that we were making our way through. I wish I still had that book. > Bill > --Apple-Mail-1--514600983 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Its still available - i got it the other day :)

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 27 Dec 2010, = at 17:56, William Walker wrote:

This brings back warm memories. I saw this band on 3 = separate occasions, the first being at Winterland in San Francisisco = with my brother. I also saw later incarnations but the original band was = my favorite.  I = started playing "You know You know" Last night , a tune I used to jam on = with my fusion buddies at Berklee the year I was there. At the time = there was a great book of Mahavishnu tunes that we were making our way = through. I wish I still had that book.
 Bill

=

= --Apple-Mail-1--514600983-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 17:58:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CBC7183466; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20101227092100.wtke0vbq8gggkk0w@mail.kevinkissinger.com> References: <853238.19578.qm@web112108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EF51ED5C6BB4EC78E51FB51D0C3C854@ELUK1> <20101227092100.wtke0vbq8gggkk0w@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <213D47AB-4E69-47E0-9933-3715E82DF999@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: [OT] Delete Tom Anderson From Your MySpace Friends Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:58:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=6.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on obf2.tritico.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:58:31 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to get rid of mine as well, but there's some photos there that I'd to keep and use on a FB page. It would take me quite awhile to locate the disc(s) that those are on in my way too big library wherever(?) they are, so is there a way to import those to the FB page from the MS page? I sure hope so. It'd save me a LOT of time! Thanx for any helpful info. Cheers, Rev.Fever Portland,OR http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:21 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Quoting Petri Lahtinen : >> >> I removed links to MySpace from my homepage, havent promoted anything >> through it in half year or something. >> They ruined good platform and user base. Their fail. >> >> Hail the SoundCloud >> >> -Petri- >> > > I removed my account on Myspace over a year ago. > > Perhaps it is an ego thing. In order to navigate to one's profile > page one must first navigate past pages promoting the latest teen > idol or hip-hop act. The log in process made me feel frustrated > before I ever even started! > > It occurred to me that anyone who would enter through Myspace's > storefront would have absolutely no interest in me or my music. So > I removed my account and haven't missed it a bit. > > -- Kevin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 18:08:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C88C183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:08:30 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <8EY64C.A.-CC.lYNGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:08:37 +0000 (UTC) I hardly ever get new gear for Christmas, I don't expect my wife to know what I want and besides she already knows that if its musical, I'll get it myself. She gets me cloths which I really appreciate. What I am doing for myself is I'm having Mando Man, (who in addition to being a really fine musician is a world class luthier,) build me a new lap steel. This lap steel will have a duesenberg multi bender bridge on it courtesy of the awesome Leander Reininghaus who sent me the bridge from Germany. Thanks again Leander , you Rock!!!! The instrument will be made of some amazing quilted japanese ash with a curly maple top and an ebony fingerboard. Though I've always been intrigued with the pedal steel guitar, its size, expense, and weight have always kept me from taking the plunge. The Multibender bridge will give me three string pull options in a light weight and portable package. I'm very excited about this new instrument and will be mailing the parts to him today. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 19:07:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20A3D183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D18E3CC.2050501@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:06:52 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: OT - Mahavishnu live footage References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:06:59 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > But, as Michael remarked, John seems to have > always been truly sincere inside all that; the attitude to music > making as a prayer is something I totally agree with. When watching > Johns activities from a distance against the background of "the > general sheep mob" one could easily take him for one of them. I had > similar bugs, back in the days (luckily such narrow perspectives > washed off by time), regarding Carlos Santana when he too showed up > "dressed in that Indian night shirt". John and Carlos were both very serious devotees of the Indian Hindu guru, Sri Chinmoy. I never got that they took it lightly or that they were being trendy. McLaughlin's devotee name was Mahavishnu John McLaughlin, Santana's was Devadip Carlos Santana for a while and my brother and I always referred to him as DoubleDip Carlos Santana (ahhhhhh, immaturity!!!!) rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 21:46:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B910183455; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=AS5hGUw8giolKW9XfILuUqXaCGY70OjTiLBG+dP/4hI=; b=sSwH2LuSQHPATc7I6H3uJM5e3HRT7BkSxX9wV2Y/mYnXBNdkzwnhB98hR+nkzzK/NE VcK4g97p9zoQ4/FUwtHElcpmke9isNCdDve3rqx8X8GduqpabYYbnjnTuCKmIiKPknSH a5u77rvnKnQwCxDocRP1NS7bXfwC8CPT04OZM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=fj6bX8SdeUwmtHYc5XOH06ybphxiXSn3+/6Hy63vKdp5vKSjzMVaTJ7OEA5wKz3g+9 w1Fj6eBVVTxM670XdTIkF9oZKMNXdEKzZjCjXMZBijE3msH38WEROC4HrKJxvxg56JJ7 uGQGtupQJUmI/6jTe4kC0wOhElV8+vCSAjnos= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 22:46:55 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:46:56 +0000 (UTC) I only sold gear, didn't buy anything new, no kidding. Happy holidays my friends! :) -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 27 23:30:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0329B183459; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D192191.7090501@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 00:30:25 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? References: <5077076.1293416306753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <5077076.1293416306753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Grant wrote: > OK, fess up! What did you get yourself, er I mean, what did Santa bring you this year? > > G Been saving up, first time in many years I could shop ahead, hehe.. So I was my own Santa, who down the chimney delivered: A cute deal on a Rocktron All Acces, a '95 Yamaha ProMix 01, a Roland M-16E mixer, three Uptown Flash analog routers/mixers - all at €268. And, arriving just the day before Xmas, a 7-string 35" bass - or is it an octave downtuned very long scale guitar; gets a Bit blurry at times.. Made by Wolf Guitars in the orient, sold by HK on the bay at €449. Wilkinson hardware, Kent Armstrong pickups, pretty good tone/sustain, really some bang for the money. Ohh, and two stylish pants with punk'ish straps down the legs, one in black stretch, one in tight black skin, very sexy ;) plus a soft skin jacket, and a set of handmade rock boots. It all doesn't help on making the chicks look more in my direction, but does make other people give me a.. mmnn.. 'different' look ;-D -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 01:11:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37FCF183459; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 01:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=uMVyEblJiDm6n7jCV24EwL1VlY4wTnPfBL4KF/mALBI=; b=sBAJAcKM6jzaQanY70JiDTm9KLFiGTcs8L0BLwPwiUbYIhRnNPTww81S0ohm09gwLg B6VNOU4O2yLoy5fATQl+xS1hq8vhreHDrVb+tu7cwmUfKZJrr9a/Nk8ihzlZESU760fG I/CF7aUWKlzQnPupDdSaVetAF+ZiKuNkpLC4Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=ZPWyGNs2nv4F4PuMuZLha5kyDgvLGKlWvSAfVbY6CwTR/5fvyI2QnNkTWwNjwxYV49 SgVrlvAF/2eFntiMuds0C+Zi6qalAxaJOc/VH3CVaXTvIo8AlceY3emjImgTPYeuNl4P NNoBD6XoiV8L7cgeEdT8+xbnwlkZplbTtLens= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 02:11:03 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: REUVBsVQL06Lt62otlxvd3uinqI Message-ID: Subject: low cpu midi appegiator To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549f038c256704986e214f Resent-Message-ID: <-c_95.A.-AG.8kTGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 01:11:24 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30549f038c256704986e214f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anyone know of a very light and stripped midi arpegiator plugin? I tried the very interesting and free Hypercyclic , which has all that I want, but for some reason was very very slow on my machine.. I cant hardly move a knob or a menu, without waiting a 5 seconds for a response... I was trying to run a very light setup, just Mulch as the host running the hypercyclic plugin to arppegiate an instance of the Reactor 5 player. Using VST.. Ther is an AU version but I don't yet have the latest verson of Audio Mulch that supports AU... Unless anyone knows what is going on specifically, maybe you can suggest a replacement... actaully the Hypercyclic did miss one VERY important button.. that of "Latch" that will keep the arpeggio playing even after I have lifted my hand... -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --20cf30549f038c256704986e214f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know of a very light and stripped midi arpegiator plugin?

I = tried the very interesting and free Hypercyclic , which has all that I want= , but for some reason was very very slow on my machine.. I cant hardly move= a knob or a menu, without waiting a 5 seconds for a response...

I was trying to run a very light setup, just Mulch as the host running = the hypercyclic plugin to arppegiate an instance of the Reactor 5 player. U= sing VST.. Ther is an AU version but I don't yet have the latest verson= of Audio Mulch that supports AU...

Unless anyone knows what is going on specifically, maybe you can sugges= t a replacement... actaully the Hypercyclic did miss one VERY important but= ton.. that of "Latch" that will keep the arpeggio playing even af= ter I have lifted my hand...

--
mark francombe
www.m= arkfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkha= o.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--20cf30549f038c256704986e214f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 02:41:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4E3B183459; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 02:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1293504076; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=9jO5Jm2RaZnmQio/ekbHPMjffRc=; b=ODJsA3LJ4n2f3tKOq2C9GmV81ut1Y34z4WUyN0B83ALrITrUDYh1hAr8y9PfRiAO zI04DT11bgDFGvn2Xk0Fw0dG7hD974pdSqLc+jzqq5DEj4fDcu4R/L4qTKIMOhs9; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Gag+hCn89jA82aYHXPHbnaI9umWLKXJrnF/+Uq01dNs= c=1 sm=0 a=2tddk7ZlYEsA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=RFACXqeuRcftB78yd8Y3cg==:17 a=EBgYxtezBhQCpFTZ2R8A:9 a=KS2Myl2m-UDH-vR6AO8A:7 a=mOpCLJwpYKoz4pXjZ9P4G9h_VXMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=LfbGgwxRbUQ6YwdT:21 a=RFACXqeuRcftB78yd8Y3cg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) From: "ejyuhas" Message-ID: <43.5B.30195.B4E491D4@smtp04.embarq.synacor.com> To: Subject: RE: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:40:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcumMP96jrCg3l83Re2Me10VdEJ2cwABv32A In-Reply-To: <5077076.1293416306753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 02:41:17 +0000 (UTC) I, er uhh Santa brought me an Empress Vintage Modified SuperDelay Pedal that will become the latest piece of gear in my guitar rig rebuild project... What I need next are some decent, affordable monitors to hook up to my Tascam US122-L interface and laptop for recording...any suggestions? Somewhere in the $300USD range? Or is that too little to spend? Thanks in advance for your trusted input! Edward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 03:13:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B34E183459; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:references:from :content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=wcnfrfSbaGbuKLhmFpPoggkSro4hDAEolZv0mI/IoTo=; b=dZjL/oAyeZ13R+rMkmUpYhuQaaHEMxKKiiZlX+7rS4ojbiidxRoVBPX3btB9ZcpTjL IUF1oukBg0Q8eevlSIm5D0TEZuxIzexzMQGWVtC9xKTM9Rq7VrkfO4XRYM54GJjYhvT0 2/CC4lIBt5tjVhTzfh7cfCUe+rzn7csKljTKI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=T4QjhQ5du2XsdFSE/RIstgqOUv5Iq2pH0bFIMmfcMh6/CmVlyc7tO49NPE+YdY3TOb ZE3OCerUmUmw2d+CnXggv0JYYRrpSoL0NkH/44Tvl7+u/fBJm+NNzW27H0yk5BCseGhg OEDElwU6CGkwJqbtkBer4fz9nlRnqjMd9Adpo= Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator References: From: Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--481212268 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8B117) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:14:40 +0000 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8B117) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:13:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--481212268 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You could try hosting reaktor in bidule instead and using bidule's built in m= idi sequencer, which loops... Sent from my iPod On 28 Dec 2010, at 01:11, mark francombe wrote: > Anyone know of a very light and stripped midi arpegiator plugin?=20 >=20 > I tried the very interesting and free Hypercyclic , which has all that I w= ant, but for some reason was very very slow on my machine.. I cant hardly mo= ve a knob or a menu, without waiting a 5 seconds for a response... >=20 > I was trying to run a very light setup, just Mulch as the host running the= hypercyclic plugin to arppegiate an instance of the Reactor 5 player. Using= VST.. Ther is an AU version but I don't yet have the latest verson of Audio= Mulch that supports AU... >=20 > Unless anyone knows what is going on specifically, maybe you can suggest a= replacement... actaully the Hypercyclic did miss one VERY important button.= . that of "Latch" that will keep the arpeggio playing even after I have lift= ed my hand... >=20 > --=20 > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-1--481212268 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
You could try hosting reaktor in bidule instead and using bidule's built in midi sequencer, which loops...

Sent from my iPod

On 28 Dec 2010, at 01:11, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

Anyone know of a very light and stripped midi arpegiator plugin?

I tried the very interesting and free Hypercyclic , which has all that I want, but for some reason was very very slow on my machine.. I cant hardly move a knob or a menu, without waiting a 5 seconds for a response...

I was trying to run a very light setup, just Mulch as the host running the hypercyclic plugin to arppegiate an instance of the Reactor 5 player. Using VST.. Ther is an AU version but I don't yet have the latest verson of Audio Mulch that supports AU...

Unless anyone knows what is going on specifically, maybe you can suggest a replacement... actaully the Hypercyclic did miss one VERY important button.. that of "Latch" that will keep the arpeggio playing even after I have lifted my hand...

--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--Apple-Mail-1--481212268-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 03:39:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3B4A183459; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:references:from:in-reply-to :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=+7q0r0PMc7mLccK3KrCNqxPK19ryh9MdAgwhkAnP7p8=; b=EH9wUUaf+1QpPy2jRldk9FlXLa76YaX3QvSPe/xlVnUt++UCl97/Qghajq8ayuIUOO ol40DbfR9bgumJJ/D8rYMkUQBo2JuclNYpejMn05o+T5AMY0xkW0iCcvwotvzqYSdDur brcN0Oh+CPUvMVE2sPyhe/JiNWINkqzvj/+h8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=ZZkrFHYtsTaoVaUnaTM0SPJXpHGD/URGv/wggu/ie/cbBfLkHLrzLc8wttNhij63X/ 7mD1MblGW2yyVxRK/KZA8F5axQAHBWXuKEqoxoTtDnYHiph8wy/ry1l0D7aBkSOkZtFb R8TBARqz90J9ZnhoXb/IeK43jsZx3xY6R2mgA= References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 04:39:21 +0100 Message-ID: <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e83e69ad16304987031cd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:39:03 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e83e69ad16304987031cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Did I say .. Free?? I have bidule but the trial ran out before I really had a chance to know if I wanted it!! I think it might be the way to go however, was just hoping for a lightweight solution... Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 28 Dec 2010, at 04:13, Gmail wrote: You could try hosting reaktor in bidule instead and using bidule's built in midi sequencer, which loops... Sent from my iPod On 28 Dec 2010, at 01:11, mark francombe wrote: Anyone know of a very light and stripped midi arpegiator plugin? I tried the very interesting and free Hypercyclic , which has all that I want, but for some reason was very very slow on my machine.. I cant hardly move a knob or a menu, without waiting a 5 seconds for a response... I was trying to run a very light setup, just Mulch as the host running the hypercyclic plugin to arppegiate an instance of the Reactor 5 player. Using VST.. Ther is an AU version but I don't yet have the latest verson of Audio Mulch that supports AU... Unless anyone knows what is going on specifically, maybe you can suggest a replacement... actaully the Hypercyclic did miss one VERY important button.. that of "Latch" that will keep the arpeggio playing even after I have lifted my hand... -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e83e69ad16304987031cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Did I say .. Free?? I have bidule but = the trial ran out before I really had a chance to know if I wanted it!! I t= hink it might be the way to go however, was just hoping for a lightweight s= olution...

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 28 Dec 2010, at 0= 4:13, Gmail <simeonharr= is40@googlemail.com> wrote:

You could try hosting reaktor in bidule instead and using bidule&= #39;s built in midi sequencer, which loops...

Sent from my iPod

On 28 Dec 2010, at 01:11, mark francombe <mark@markfr= ancombe.com> wrote:

Anyone know of a very l= ight and stripped midi arpegiator plugin?

I tried the very interest= ing and free Hypercyclic , which has all that I want, but for some reason w= as very very slow on my machine.. I cant hardly move a knob or a menu, with= out waiting a 5 seconds for a response...

I was trying to run a very light setup, just Mulch as the host running = the hypercyclic plugin to arppegiate an instance of the Reactor 5 player. U= sing VST.. Ther is an AU version but I don't yet have the latest verson= of Audio Mulch that supports AU...

Unless anyone knows what is going on specifically, maybe you can sugges= t a replacement... actaully the Hypercyclic did miss one VERY important but= ton.. that of "Latch" that will keep the arpeggio playing even af= ter I have lifted my hand...

--
mark francombe
<= a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
= http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e83e69ad16304987031cd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 03:53:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCB7F18345B; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4lRPJlob7KfsqXspBdRdAscJWutvDTO/EQREpQ0R/9M=; b=eON/k4cD6GdY4w14xFJamgcJqoUdYuPX/AAmHXTVt6cRU8+p7H43/i8g46CmEOYzT6 KQ9hFIgb5m5C6apswKhMKSxi/WgghA5DZcL7qkRrFbWQBB/EBy4gZOeN5V4cd8N2axIB AfxTtGWdZIthUuYSgsLy8vv1xUc/rGIr+eg2I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GV0RVZcAFIJmBPm40937NLe+DvQxrXVFGpSwtdtCfZyWZiBn4hO7zOupUbPNf3Htvw XSmZj1LJvaDY2DbtFqU6N9nQVbV+OsEX5xgaiRy9ClwKu/79HiB5W7hM3iImJDBiO8qq UNaKEMHHv8BVDjr/P0hWqva3sGUWjBTH2nz6k= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:53:20 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Mark, Bidule is worth it...it's software worth buying. ~~D. http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:39 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Did I say .. Free?? I have bidule but the trial ran out before I really had > a chance to know if I wanted it!! I think it might be the way to go however, > was just hoping for a lightweight solution... > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > On 28 Dec 2010, at 04:13, Gmail wrote: > > You could try hosting reaktor in bidule instead and using bidule's built in > midi sequencer, which loops... > > Sent from my iPod > On 28 Dec 2010, at 01:11, mark francombe wrote: > > Anyone know of a very light and stripped midi arpegiator plugin? > > I tried the very interesting and free Hypercyclic , which has all that I > want, but for some reason was very very slow on my machine.. I cant hardly > move a knob or a menu, without waiting a 5 seconds for a response... > > I was trying to run a very light setup, just Mulch as the host running the > hypercyclic plugin to arppegiate an instance of the Reactor 5 player. Using > VST.. Ther is an AU version but I don't yet have the latest verson of Audio > Mulch that supports AU... > > Unless anyone knows what is going on specifically, maybe you can suggest a > replacement... actaully the Hypercyclic did miss one VERY important button.. > that of "Latch" that will keep the arpeggio playing even after I have lifted > my hand... > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 04:01:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AF33183459; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 04:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Psio1Pqw7hWk87HAKdlQ86kJ+V7Vw+gdIxKeMucdgGwtdhHmlrxR2fA19pJgEFaz; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <19996675.1293508864061.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 22:01:03 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5b1b4a9c1b90124ccdb37afbe1f0b3394af8c53dbbf596fbd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 04:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Congratulations all around! Seems like everybody was on the "nice" list! Nothing like a warm fire and cool new gear to play with, eh? I don't have any new gear to brag about this year but I still feel "inspired" by the love and companionship of friends and family. Best to all for a fantastic 2011! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 05:29:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE392183459; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 05:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 14:29:18 +0900 Subject: Re: Numerology 3... From: Dustbunnies To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Numerology 3... Thread-Index: AcumUCw9dOzpmhGGTamMea05Ps+sYA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 05:29:23 +0000 (UTC) On 12/26/10 5:50 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Dustbunnies wrote: >> This has me wondering if Numerology might currently work as a poor-man's >> alternative to Max-For-Live > > I don't think so, because they are completely different tools. > Numerology is a system for modular step sequencing, the way it was > done in the analog domain and before MIDI was invented. One might > argue that Numerology 3 and the Pro version now has digital audio > processing objects like Envelope Follower, Audio Feedback Assistant, a > built-in sampler etc - but that's only a little icing on the cake > while M4L is a massive iceberg of audio processing options (that > totally lacks the modular sequencing workflow of Numerology). On thinking about it, you're probably correct as far as a full-blown MaxForLive replacement. Most of the functions that I'm interested in M4L for are actually merely extensions of control functions. It had slipped my mind that many (most?) of the useful M4L functions are actually in the audio processing/synthesis realm. But I've got enough VST's to choke a horse already. Much of the stuff I'd use it for is rather as a replacement for firing off "control" clips of CC data in Live or using Stormgate 3 as a MIDI LFO -- neither of which allow easily for really good evolving or "if/then" logic structures. The one most exciting thing about having Numerology run as an AU, however, is making it bulletproof against Live's potential clock sync issues (which are supposed to be solved now, but I still don't trust it). I don't like having anything run outboard of Live if I can help it. It's been a while since I used Numerology (I was in it pretty heavy at 1.x, but dropped out when v.2 came out), but I still think it might work well for programming self-generating or evolving parameter sequences for existing effects inside Live. Maybe not, as you said, a complete MaxForLive drop-in replacement, but perhaps good enough for what I want to do with it. --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 06:22:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B7AB183458; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 06:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.0.0.071130 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 15:22:48 +0900 Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? From: Dustbunnies To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? Thread-Index: AcumV6WMQ8RjRmZuTcKHzm9/OfJHYw== In-Reply-To: <5077076.1293416306753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 06:22:52 +0000 (UTC) On 12/27/10 11:18 AM, "Grant" wrote: > > OK, fess up! What did you get yourself, er I mean, what did Santa bring you > this year? Well, like Rick and so many others on this list, 2010 wasn't a particularly good year financially for us -- mostly owing to having a new baby, as well as being forced to work a crap job in one of the most expensive countries on the planet. Still, the wife and I managed to set aside ~$100 each to use on each other's Christmas/Chanukah gifts. I got her a bunch of back-issues to various craft/fashion magazines she'd missed. She was especially astute and got me an Akai Synthstation 25 for my iPhone. So far, it's working great as a portable MIDI controller. Trying to work out some difficulties with the Apple Store in order to get the software (it is more than a little annoying that the software is *not* included, even if it is only $1.99). --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 09:23:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1D1E183455; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=WrovqhjINj1Hbn6+Yf6psCUppPTIWpIGVaUFjowuJb4=; b=TKTmA6jP1wgLVvha864Q+tKuD7Aes+ygvpvHJkYsZe6zx863GIpLN9lCwugkMfhDeW UNNNkmbbsQqoogHQYiyW4PvOItsmihnxrfZbYSalWX3wdqKvqO1kpIZVVmo9Jh/iMcSf /N2gVUDij0CwB+eGGc66Djl4K/D1JuUuH2Kms= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=sAd/ih0/t7qQ5GIx6uqhMrLg9wQnpClv0UCyx5LrO80btoKo5aMuW0gPR33VlQctEE /dp04rDUHgivSsxZOzEvf8j0OUAWvihq6hO/NFBKqOzk1H5rMrObUU354MimKlmQptQj lDSkl862F38+oKeDTg7k9HX4CK42HNzFuZfB4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:23:22 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: sp_1Ji6psOmVmGCQSxxo9Sa1s_A Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e881633680e0498750286 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:23:44 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e881633680e0498750286 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well probably, but right now Im wishing we had taken up the Walkers approach to Christmas and NOT bought over 2000 dollars worth of the useless crap... cos now I really am a bit strapped for cash! AND.. I am and have always been a bit of an Audio Mulch fan so Im not to keen to switch to Bidule, UNLESS I only use it for MAKING small things I can put into Mulch... Can one export from Bidule a VST type thingy, that isnt the whole Bidule program, but just the bit you made...? (Like SynthEdit for Mac) And thirdly, having pretty much made the switch to software for looping, theres the learning curve... Im done with new new new the whole time, I need to pick an environment snd stay with it, the trick with working with a computer is to NOT sit in front of it if you have to... I just cant be bothered to learn new stuff AGAIN... On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Mark, > > Bidule is worth it...it's software worth buying. > > ~~D. > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:39 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Did I say .. Free?? I have bidule but the trial ran out before I really > had > > a chance to know if I wanted it!! I think it might be the way to go > however, > > was just hoping for a lightweight solution... > > > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 28 Dec 2010, at 04:13, Gmail wrote: > > > > You could try hosting reaktor in bidule instead and using bidule's built > in > > midi sequencer, which loops... > > > > Sent from my iPod > > On 28 Dec 2010, at 01:11, mark francombe wrote: > > > > Anyone know of a very light and stripped midi arpegiator plugin? > > > > I tried the very interesting and free Hypercyclic , which has all that I > > want, but for some reason was very very slow on my machine.. I cant > hardly > > move a knob or a menu, without waiting a 5 seconds for a response... > > > > I was trying to run a very light setup, just Mulch as the host running > the > > hypercyclic plugin to arppegiate an instance of the Reactor 5 player. > Using > > VST.. Ther is an AU version but I don't yet have the latest verson of > Audio > > Mulch that supports AU... > > > > Unless anyone knows what is going on specifically, maybe you can suggest > a > > replacement... actaully the Hypercyclic did miss one VERY important > button.. > > that of "Latch" that will keep the arpeggio playing even after I have > lifted > > my hand... > > > > -- > > mark francombe > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e881633680e0498750286 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well probably, but right now Im wishing we had taken up the Walkers approac= h to Christmas and NOT bought over 2000 dollars worth of the useless crap..= . cos now I really am a bit strapped for cash!

AND.. I am and have a= lways been a bit of an Audio Mulch fan so Im not to keen to switch to Bidul= e, UNLESS I only use it for MAKING small things I can put into Mulch... Can= one export from Bidule a VST type thingy, that isnt the whole Bidule progr= am, but just the bit you made...? (Like SynthEdit for Mac)

And thirdly, having pretty much made the switch to software for looping= ,
theres the learning curve... Im done with new new new the whole time, I nee= d to pick an environment snd stay with it, the trick with working with a co= mputer is to NOT sit in front of it if you have to... I just cant be bother= ed to learn new stuff AGAIN...




On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 4:53 AM,= Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark,

Bidule is worth it...it's software worth buying.

~~D.

http://soundclo= ud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com=
http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/



On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:39 PM, mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
> Did I say .. Free?? I have bidule but the trial ran out before I reall= y had
> a chance to know if I wanted it!! I think it might be the way to go ho= wever,
> was just hoping for a lightweight solution...
>
> Sent from my (advertisement removed)
> On 28 Dec 2010, at 04:13, Gmail <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> You could try hosting reaktor in bidule instead and using bidule's= built in
> midi sequencer, which loops...
>
> Sent from my iPod
> On 28 Dec 2010, at 01:11, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone know of a very light and stripped midi arpegiator plugin?
>
> I tried the very interesting and free Hypercyclic , which has all that= I
> want, but for some reason was very very slow on my machine.. I cant ha= rdly
> move a knob or a menu, without waiting a 5 seconds for a response... >
> I was trying to run a very light setup, just Mulch as the host running= the
> hypercyclic plugin to arppegiate an instance of the Reactor 5 player. = Using
> VST.. Ther is an AU version but I don't yet have the latest verson= of Audio
> Mulch that supports AU...
>
> Unless anyone knows what is going on specifically, maybe you can sugge= st a
> replacement... actaully the Hypercyclic did miss one VERY important bu= tton..
> that of "Latch" that will keep the arpeggio playing even aft= er I have lifted
> my hand...
>
> --
> mark francombe
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
>




--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e881633680e0498750286-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 09:38:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15CB9183459; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iNNCvyHPnoNbHAkBpbPHJzllUUqHDXfIm0RDU5HH0aQ=; b=OJa/5OQH0v9NZvldRIjbuGmpzov2xFw17A/Mqta7vOlw5drMXkEobgVCGWM0ermKmS XY7BXckqF2EDuWFsROFRHZJh6k5hGRq+k0Oqtu6VIBUVKjlGNasLQkFqR2lFH7+2248b qjb7EkWBZgzMBZbDkZEwU4LJd1iAntHtj4Hr0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=TeWTQyC9KgNx4G3iR/ycl0kdMh3NOA3z27X4sOtVqxxQd7nBltxTjyih9WMsUrF3Dp LzN2A7bPmQWB3vRzJ7uWD3zkdY1XFxImr9SPZLxnwhYyYxz1COHcddwvOSBHrNl7Knjy kKJCjIXYTXNM4M7ZFDIZGtzb7BSG/BN1sB59M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:38:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <_EKQzD.A.pvF.VAbGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:38:29 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:23 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Can one export from Bidule a VST type thingy, that isnt the whole Bidule > program, but just the bit you made...? (Like SynthEdit for Mac) Yes. From Bidule you can export a complete session as a "Group". This group can then be imported as a module in another Bidule session. But what seems to match your needs here is that the Bidule AU plugin can also import such a Group. And the Bidule AU can run in any host's pugin slot (oops, time to upgrade Audiomulch?) I have tried this and found it working well. I managed to wire up a "freeze reverb" in Bidule based on Bidule's Input Envelope Follow function auto triggering the "Infinite button" of the Eos reverb plugin (in a crossfade way, so when I don't play anything the reverb stays frozen... until I play the next sound). What I did was to open the Bidule AU on a bus/aux track in Mainstage and then from inside the AU open that Bidule Group. However I skipped this because the Eos reverb plugin clicks too loud when changing state. (then I started using SoundToys EchoBoy for freeze reverb and I like that one's analog character better; it doesn't freeze totally, just enough to slow down audio to an almost-still state). per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 09:46:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E280183459; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:46:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=egN1Drc9gMie20G7lPuLCa5JXt6NOBMHH4QBnFw1m/g=; b=wR4INqnifc69FMr96psbzfryplt9yFxWExq9F0iAesDtWLarsBd/8TMdkp07ZS9kVT qtSX6MMOKlf029Zg1wl8Lu+4g/tACeqgMujmInGY5XeE+MfoGc3eQZ3fddmsAg8RStR7 li2ELIjUhtGOT5EuJN52qO+UL1YkWc3jgW9b4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=q9uV2l5UgKTfY7djSRNJDG/6cE35f+eE2c5ds23dawXi6VX7r8EHx1GGZ/P918exYh 66KXtAo7O8hKE5q0FKaSlwuUAmf8bvEN0k6XstpRlUGKJhIgS3QV8Yy1vcXo5BeqyEOJ 8aV9fWYZ4yEgSsZngeiOPxXwOsshQMVediIt4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:45:51 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: rHGIMN92ZkJcc_84ETC31o9BXkA Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549f03a6226704987552e1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:46:12 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30549f03a6226704987552e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ha ha.. cool stuff Per, but therin your post you cleverly outline my distaste for software... not only do you suggest I dont own an cant afford, but will only work if I upgrade my (otherwise working completely OK) version of another program!.. See how it works? Its the same with hardware of course, but somehow I hung on longer with each bit of gear, and whats more I could sell it when I was upgrading... But all DOES seem to point to Bidule, but I probably will switch from AudioMulch altogether, to use less bits... strange that there doesnt seem to be a minimal midi arp about? Mark On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:23 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Can one export from Bidule a VST type thingy, that isnt the whole Bidule > > program, but just the bit you made...? (Like SynthEdit for Mac) > > Yes. From Bidule you can export a complete session as a "Group". This > group can then be imported as a module in another Bidule session. But > what seems to match your needs here is that the Bidule AU plugin can > also import such a Group. And the Bidule AU can run in any host's > pugin slot (oops, time to upgrade Audiomulch?) > > I have tried this and found it working well. I managed to wire up a > "freeze reverb" in Bidule based on Bidule's Input Envelope Follow > function auto triggering the "Infinite button" of the Eos reverb > plugin (in a crossfade way, so when I don't play anything the reverb > stays frozen... until I play the next sound). What I did was to open > the Bidule AU on a bus/aux track in Mainstage and then from inside the > AU open that Bidule Group. However I skipped this because the Eos > reverb plugin clicks too loud when changing state. (then I started > using SoundToys EchoBoy for freeze reverb and I like that one's analog > character better; it doesn't freeze totally, just enough to slow down > audio to an almost-still state). > > per > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --20cf30549f03a6226704987552e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ha ha.. cool stuff Per, but therin your post you cleverly outline my distas= te for software...
not only do you suggest I dont own an cant afford, bu= t will only work if I upgrade my (otherwise working completely OK) version = of another program!.. See how it works?
Its the same with hardware of course, but somehow I hung on longer with eac= h bit of gear, and whats more I could sell it when I was upgrading...
But all DOES seem to point to Bidule, but I probably will switch from Aud= ioMulch altogether, to use less bits...

strange that there doesnt seem to be a minimal midi arp about?

M= ark





On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 = at 10:38 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:23 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Can one export from Bidule a VST type thingy, that isnt the whole Bidu= le
> program, but just the bit you made...? (Like SynthEdit for Mac)

Yes. From Bidule you can export a complete session as a "Group&q= uot;. This
group can then be imported as a module in another Bidule session. But
what seems to match your needs here is that the Bidule AU plugin can
also import such a Group. And the Bidule AU can run in any host's
pugin slot (oops, time to upgrade Audiomulch?)

I have tried this and found it working well. I managed to wire up a
"freeze reverb" in Bidule based on Bidule's Input Envelope Fo= llow
function auto triggering the "Infinite button" of =A0the Eos reve= rb
plugin (in a crossfade way, so when I don't play anything the reverb stays frozen... until I play the next sound). What I did was to open
the Bidule AU on a bus/aux track in Mainstage and then from inside the
AU open that Bidule Group. However I skipped this because the Eos
reverb plugin clicks too loud when changing state. (then I started
using SoundToys EchoBoy for freeze reverb and I like that one's analog<= br> character better; it doesn't freeze totally, just enough to slow down audio to an almost-still state).

per




--
mark francombewww.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markf= rancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--20cf30549f03a6226704987552e1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 09:59:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E4A0183459; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=AD5YbJdPzKMirCPkLvnQE9iry+lZYIsdgWIp5w+EI+o=; b=nf3S77qcPm/4aEd8mMkik1oHYcXot+SnLdblZxcOQYkXI8IHs0/lwnK/gFRRAy4iie Kei14F15T7hacfCbJGG57gjsLUGYjIToLNuMFBWhN+06fARphemmkuy90JN4F/+Zg3ni V8hj5X5I3YvsOYVNI7Wl64/I+u5VY05mggYOY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=Je+r850ApS6X38SnfuWU29sOIEF7+a5AQg/VCuv9Kdoey7Tus8QU6CmHPn0eVPfsiA NotFlEwjp+nIiH4eUjDQZnLz2A9Vw4k4ds5vttTPEiWvwH+RbJH7ciJiAoQizXhDgXRx 01rDtWPwiDdCNuTOyVckzOjy46R2wT/MpHZ9g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:59:21 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9vpPqgZUnjfuabRye7nA-aVOMwY Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a073e3d08a0498758200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:59:42 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a073e3d08a0498758200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I really need to check my mails before I hit send... heres the de-cryption... On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:45 AM, mark francombe wrote: Ha ha.. cool stuff Per, but therein your post you cleverly outline my > distaste for software... > not only do you suggest something I don't own and can't afford, but will > only work if I upgrade my (otherwise working completely OK) version of > another program!.. See how it works? > Its the same with hardware of course, but somehow I hung on longer with > each bit of gear, and whats more I could sell it when I was upgrading... > > But all DOES seem to point to Bidule, but I probably will switch from > AudioMulch altogether, to use less bits... > > but its strange that there doesn't seem to be a minimal midi arp about? > > Mark > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:23 AM, mark francombe >> wrote: >> > Can one export from Bidule a VST type thingy, that isnt the whole Bidule >> > program, but just the bit you made...? (Like SynthEdit for Mac) >> >> Yes. From Bidule you can export a complete session as a "Group". This >> group can then be imported as a module in another Bidule session. But >> what seems to match your needs here is that the Bidule AU plugin can >> also import such a Group. And the Bidule AU can run in any host's >> pugin slot (oops, time to upgrade Audiomulch?) >> >> I have tried this and found it working well. I managed to wire up a >> "freeze reverb" in Bidule based on Bidule's Input Envelope Follow >> function auto triggering the "Infinite button" of the Eos reverb >> plugin (in a crossfade way, so when I don't play anything the reverb >> stays frozen... until I play the next sound). What I did was to open >> the Bidule AU on a bus/aux track in Mainstage and then from inside the >> AU open that Bidule Group. However I skipped this because the Eos >> reverb plugin clicks too loud when changing state. (then I started >> using SoundToys EchoBoy for freeze reverb and I like that one's analog >> character better; it doesn't freeze totally, just enough to slow down >> audio to an almost-still state). >> >> per >> >> > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --20cf3054a073e3d08a0498758200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really need to check my mails before I hit send... heres the de-cryption.= ..

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:45 AM, mark= francombe <= mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

Ha ha.. cool = stuff Per, but therein your post you cleverly outline my distaste for softw= are...
not only do you suggest something I don't own and can't afford, but= will only work if I upgrade my (otherwise working completely OK) version o= f another program!.. See how it works?
Its the same with hardware of course, but somehow I hung on longer with eac= h bit of gear, and whats more I could sell it when I was upgrading...
But all DOES seem to point to Bidule, but I probably will switch from Aud= ioMulch altogether, to use less bits...

but its strange that there doesn't seem to be a minimal midi arp ab= out?

Mark






On Tue, Dec 28, = 2010 at 10:38 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
On Tue, Dec = 28, 2010 at 10:23 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Can one export from Bidule a VST type thingy, that isnt the whole Bidu= le
> program, but just the bit you made...? (Like SynthEdit for Mac)

Yes. From Bidule you can export a complete session as a "Group&q= uot;. This
group can then be imported as a module in another Bidule session. But
what seems to match your needs here is that the Bidule AU plugin can
also import such a Group. And the Bidule AU can run in any host's
pugin slot (oops, time to upgrade Audiomulch?)

I have tried this and found it working well. I managed to wire up a
"freeze reverb" in Bidule based on Bidule's Input Envelope Fo= llow
function auto triggering the "Infinite button" of =A0the Eos reve= rb
plugin (in a crossfade way, so when I don't play anything the reverb stays frozen... until I play the next sound). What I did was to open
the Bidule AU on a bus/aux track in Mainstage and then from inside the
AU open that Bidule Group. However I skipped this because the Eos
reverb plugin clicks too loud when changing state. (then I started
using SoundToys EchoBoy for freeze reverb and I like that one's analog<= br> character better; it doesn't freeze totally, just enough to slow down audio to an almost-still state).

per




--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/= user825094
http://= www.looop.no



--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--20cf3054a073e3d08a0498758200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 10:03:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28F82183458; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=R9FqY331xCERAHnIciYcP/9NgjUqXGdPw+cpxlSe3yU=; b=xs2InM1/6VnwIzPnNddyAoH/sl8f8uBREFnF0ePQnnKgW2EpT3kIFFNmlUZDRLR7xm 2sUIgmR63TNhU+qNYeNCzBwqfWTrj7AWfLMcvo2lX9atGQfESf8EkkjuKbWcdESQT8la qbVHobj4xybSoMqzIu838BmE8ZxnXcldn91Xo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xk4hwa1S+CsaqGDWbk0TCPxFJLRp6U/DmSUblZzi/HChMSWzd28ENY0QtcQ3MSPwzp HzxqrwCafvvqddgACg2z7x7uGshFMS/cgqFHwtcQyGm3giRI5M1RSWYL2YeihyRAywCP kI5QOXLPQosCTYBDZ6x1QPYxgLaTBLdA16Wow= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:03:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:03:15 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:45 AM, mark francombe wrote: > > strange that there doesnt seem to be a minimal midi arp about? Yes really. I was a big fan of the Oberheim Cyclone back in the pre laptop days. It was a hardware MIDI arpeggiator that you connected between a MIDI keyboard and a MIDI sound module... "instant Juno Reactor" box, sort of. Very buggy though. Have been looking for a software replacement for that gadget ever since... (maybe I will be able to mock it up in Mainstage with the Numerology AU plugin one day, it's Matrix Arpeggiator is comes as part of the AU as you open it - I'm checking that out right now in Logic. The reaon I'm not setting going this way - yet - with live arpeggio in my concert set up is that it bogs down the CPU too much. I already put a heavy strain on the CPU by playing hte Stick that needs two parallel inputs and effect chains. You can't have it all.) Actually, Bidule has a couple of arpeggiators! Not as good as the stuff built into Alchemy or Atmosphere, but maybe someone at the Bidule forum has built a good arpeggiator Group? (they built some good step sequencers and an audio tail preservation Group on my request a couple of years ago, Bidule stuff that I dearly miss today when working in Mainstage) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 10:06:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4251318347C; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=//Dm8cSzD2xbjkxhCN0w4lwjWBBemRYHjyI21XMiX80=; b=CUYwRZW68+joQvuIMKBGvxAgRpt49rdIaLAEpiyYdJ5rW+XMGTsCQUD8GGbUAw3iSJ BggfZoqVxn2APmH15dmXLfSTNJV5nY0AiWdbBpnmuponSOITN/NNgzsbiV9Oy98olFnK FLlRlSDGW81ff/vcz1jltW2vzhhx+nC7fPmvc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=szgPlxZcBI7bsOkHutHDejZBeRfupfkDlwsvW9O9JTN+UOwIiMmI2QGLC5dCpx6e3j 6n5ipqJj0wZq6sjgHhuszIpSVMmx/Hm7gu4QOcTmEBTeK5Yo2/acWxRZ/x52lftsOFgV a8TTgEK2/IIGb/+0DlkOuYeYw+x8JDXqzzmFM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:06:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:06:09 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Oberheim Cyclone back in the pre > laptop days. It was a hardware MIDI arpeggiator that you connected > between a MIDI keyboard and a MIDI sound module... ...but I used it with a MIDI guitar. Worked well when not fucking up. But if the bugs took it out you still had the guitar's audio going, and the synth as non-arepeggio sound source behind the guitar sound. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 10:46:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C957183456; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=F1iXr/sIqqsptilu1tmcypD7KO7xlLGMLQ3doKJYtv0=; b=yAWOsPHsMhaHV/MWOc2NmzZOVf4E2W58pgFMVE34JNrWqFFehREuD7bY9sRwlCR34Q vnE7bR3QjV6hee3MeVYBg5SF2nv4jKwo3+7ZDEzgv/VQYO/W++iBYnBlccIzlkD5RfMT uwZtHsX+JdEgFtHe5TYXD6q4l1sfposfa5DT4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=lVl5aHQFJm8bxT9Pbhrm6A3jMm+HmZ8LLErp4nYiABcsGt6kddBWyizlVpoJT4Yo23 TyBEWUFXuKlLrJ7hwRrPSjmXs8DwjSiUlM9SX3xu1bxa5JrhflDakc2NDdqAgGfF7b20 9bfyeMTI9QRKjLT2/3P92XAvhnD2eKjdZFU4o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:45:43 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ND6l6y3whTmBqw38KjshYcd2dXs Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8a4cb708ec0498762825 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:46:05 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8a4cb708ec0498762825 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 that all swings it really dont it... have to dive into Bidule again.. wheres the hot visa card..? M On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Oberheim Cyclone back in the pre > > laptop days. It was a hardware MIDI arpeggiator that you connected > > between a MIDI keyboard and a MIDI sound module... > > ...but I used it with a MIDI guitar. Worked well when not fucking up. > But if the bugs took it out you still had the guitar's audio going, > and the synth as non-arepeggio sound source behind the guitar sound. > > Per > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8a4cb708ec0498762825 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that all swings it really dont it... have to dive into Bidule again.. where= s the hot visa card..?

M

On Tue, D= ec 28, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oberheim Cyclone back in the pre
> laptop days. It was a hardware MIDI arpeggiator that you connected
> between a MIDI keyboard and a MIDI sound module...

...but I used it with a MIDI guitar. Worked well when not fucking up.=
But if the bugs took it out you still had the guitar's audio going,
and the synth as non-arepeggio sound source behind the guitar sound.

Per




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www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markf= rancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e8a4cb708ec0498762825-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 10:55:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCB8D183459; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:references:from :content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=9VHS5hp3bGUXTK0AWsEBnmQ2qD4xkv1iBSYee58cRSU=; b=Ja/d8/5T9IRfOZwogVxoyW7xmp6QLH6ewDEurc7dJFBdea203DfGGNj6k/IVqwUmpi qFxG72nrN2dImCSS4xEvnaK8PbI30cyxaW4d6juwG1UAiZoutQa2/YX125ffzEVE0kzw HK0HDH/m2s2bGq+VmACz/Pk4xNOiSCzTyqLjE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=WjNr31SjRxrG7fswB8XBcCdSDFprxD5EjhCWo3Ndx8fPEe4q7TJFBnFGPNnNuN58rp wcu1jIfRQK0TUQ7Q4TdWZ5B9yYx3s4G4NU0TB57FHUlK8o2TuQpGm6Lrb3/gzHUVwH2k KqMb3Qy+Ny/sjwVpqfWB0utl0Ayz49dCpH3jY= Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> From: Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--453461570 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8B117) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <083BB086-A583-492E-937A-3D1D064F4957@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:57:11 +0000 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8B117) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:55:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--453461570 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wait a mo.....isn't there a reaktor ensemble midi arpeggiator you can use? M= aybe someone in the user group could build you one and add it into the ensem= ble you're already using? Sent from my iPod On 28 Dec 2010, at 10:45, mark francombe wrote: > that all swings it really dont it... have to dive into Bidule again.. wher= es the hot visa card..? >=20 > M >=20 > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Oberheim Cyclone back in the pre > > laptop days. It was a hardware MIDI arpeggiator that you connected > > between a MIDI keyboard and a MIDI sound module... >=20 > ...but I used it with a MIDI guitar. Worked well when not fucking up. > But if the bugs took it out you still had the guitar's audio going, > and the synth as non-arepeggio sound source behind the guitar sound. >=20 > Per >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-2--453461570 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Wait a mo.....isn't there a reaktor ensemble midi arpeggiator you can use? Maybe someone in the user group could build you one and add it into the ensemble you're already using?

Sent from my iPod

On 28 Dec 2010, at 10:45, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

that all swings it really dont it... have to dive into Bidule again.. wheres the hot visa card..?

M

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oberheim Cyclone back in the pre
> laptop days. It was a hardware MIDI arpeggiator that you connected
> between a MIDI keyboard and a MIDI sound module...

...but I used it with a MIDI guitar. Worked well when not fucking up.
But if the bugs took it out you still had the guitar's audio going,
and the synth as non-arepeggio sound source behind the guitar sound.

Per




--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--Apple-Mail-2--453461570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 11:01:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0438183457; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:references:from :content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=A1VIcXQdEQLHYm/U7P7jRO+Wb/5AZhmYD1Ce6iN3yMQ=; b=JyIdw3d6UDLn1OADpyTW/NmbppBQ7/0mP/Vy8qzOvX7v9q0S32tQFXOWBEfmLCy4C1 cxWZzuPQioI6KbHsJXKIOTqlSiw3eQXaG5eBuo2D31LPo+qUXv99dWaqOnbO0ysEKihW 5a+ST0D0/kzJmdfncxz+RvYlXMqrBG8lexsCk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=Fylk70l1f/yfq3bVyzsppMPdZ/CrAgyUabV7Lk80ztkv7pu7WBnk+j/HnlYC+AuOjH eTp9JS+dVXrrxMleKqLkzl+Ln+/DpwiqOIjeHZN13Sno5TpCoe4TykUTc/ZOYCL6xvv3 QdVuDXTmIrmL/VRjNYX1jJMhv/Pt1olNOTFmg= Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> From: Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--453109755 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8B117) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:03:01 +0000 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8B117) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:01:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--453109755 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, look here Mark http://co.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=3Duserlib= rary&type=3D0&ulbr=3D1&plview=3Ddetail&patchid=3D6229 Sent from my iPod On 28 Dec 2010, at 10:45, mark francombe wrote: > that all swings it really dont it... have to dive into Bidule again.. wher= es the hot visa card..? >=20 > M >=20 > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Oberheim Cyclone back in the pre > > laptop days. It was a hardware MIDI arpeggiator that you connected > > between a MIDI keyboard and a MIDI sound module... >=20 > ...but I used it with a MIDI guitar. Worked well when not fucking up. > But if the bugs took it out you still had the guitar's audio going, > and the synth as non-arepeggio sound source behind the guitar sound. >=20 > Per >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-3--453109755 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On 28 Dec 2010, at 10:45, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

that all swings it really dont it... have to dive into Bidule again.. wheres the hot visa card..?

M

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oberheim Cyclone back in the pre
> laptop days. It was a hardware MIDI arpeggiator that you connected
> between a MIDI keyboard and a MIDI sound module...

...but I used it with a MIDI guitar. Worked well when not fucking up.
But if the bugs took it out you still had the guitar's audio going,
and the synth as non-arepeggio sound source behind the guitar sound.

Per




--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--Apple-Mail-3--453109755-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 11:30:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E819F18345B; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BJNhpg6ibAdOEfCdhaS74GO+EMTkGAhe3fEyraI/t3M=; b=nnpXH91FriFmFXzBrlgt3XAqK8Xb2VIU2BTKRnuGeWo0fJCPCvIsgGS5NO0LqPY95S 24dDR34DGnwyM/z3HhPPT7TsbRY39I+v1bI4fN3Yf77LaqqKS5aQqGaYyoNRUJok/wHG 1tJH2/VYlKbLR8XQJSk5lwUEctyDftCr9tkK0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=k81M1k88qrJHatp11ZsbQTJ4w9xQNCAiwVULUiC5tDPz9RBWchgxYiY6zC9rS3na/Q oFq93U8PhmdNqKMJO0yVRNK0iFG9PDmmCVDt0bUJXudbBO27gM9aCXJ6FQGObsIqIF2e 625KqvRTwEgXfUOleFK8t3wPRj4ZtgbHPqRfE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:30:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <1-68s.A.HXB.GpcGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:30:14 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:45 AM, mark francombe wrote: > have to dive into Bidule again.. I feel obliged to confess that when I have experimented with arpegiators in Bidule (and other hosts) the most stable and least CPU demanding solutions so far has been to not use an apreggiator that sends MIDI into a virtual instrument but to use a MIDI instrument with its own built-in arpeggiator. The two arpy synth plugins I own are Albino 3 and Alchemy. They both have worked fine for me for driving their arpeggio patches from a MIDI guitar or EWI playing chords by the sustain pedal trick. But I'm not finding it stable enough to do live and I also think it is too much for me to mentally keep track of when improvising music on the fly. I would probably use arpeggiators more if I should play a more pre composed music and had a stronger computer. I love the sound of arping synths, but to really use it optially I want to instantly sculpt fitler cut-off, attack and release values as the patterns are pounding and one laptop doesn't seem powerful enough for that if working with virtual instruments plus audio in the box. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 11:42:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 817A6183455; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:42:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vMf8qeDHQDQwb83pJNYPcbr6dFwGBPGHhukt9EgnvAs=; b=mRAwiQcgxdQpy/eHIMdsRszy9eWX0DzMm8WDkvYA0rael8GwexQuoE3fz3C5QUcme4 CGIWV2OI7LYvNlFkRsh5QGrakckTc++ITpwNkE1EalbEWVoyD483tY9InQCgBIq/N3wa CvLRL2VlSQzpD7kZbsq6U6CLDmx7piopgYegc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=M7GiqmX3npy9AMFmLnjs0leMh+LdYlUlTqS8ORiDYfJH6qyfU/ZrsyyuFJBSg7TGRM tHm4+Rs34rx7WBoqY5ONQ7pDuvwDpkmyiFh8XuLrJZSD+QXVVRSPl5C9AT/eTnnVYhR+ tQxkCQWGbjngCXVBT5IP0D6v+cgAk3qPzRLEw= Message-ID: <4D19CD3B.7010306@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:42:51 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? References: <43.5B.30195.B4E491D4@smtp04.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: <43.5B.30195.B4E491D4@smtp04.embarq.synacor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:42:54 +0000 (UTC) Here's what I would've asked Santa to find: A transformer for my Oberheim Matrix 1000 which doesn't hum. Secondary side 2x12 and 2x18V, total power of the device is rated with 20W, mounts to a flange about 3x5cm and must be no more than 1HU high. Anyone knows of such a thing? -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 12:04:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6735E183455; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8RXPCMfCC0/Lh67w4R4eJRopWOiZGC1bj+tqRwJQ0QA=; b=jkZBnVw4qyKmeOczg47j9fbsnqbiM8xgrYFjVTgJTweaCSpeBQoC78gp7DeS+NRY2W SauiI5vSQzjmR5q3Cr957CwbKyOzNkk0gqmEVb/P90Do2chWCWqY032ZY8eVeFCsjKbX Z06l+UIVWKT3pZmOWwjGNVlLu+jLeNkNoRUbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JoBkzdZMDdGvhNVB51uABLk08ia2JWR/GQexwifAxGaFVQeVlO+1owkjrBHDdAWUJG /E28WNUvjFM5COvGd3HsVSLixHDbgHKN9VQ5XxdRrNa1yXvSIIsRvMcaYHJxeZfaTE61 p58ieKrHcfluivYE9OZADi6xv7zj8k9P+gPrY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5BF53AE74B45EC419571294BDA5C898301E5B90E@ex2mainsvr.coa.cabq.lcl> References: <20101226100720.0C42A183483@hemlock.violacea.com> <5BF53AE74B45EC419571294BDA5C898301E5B90E@ex2mainsvr.coa.cabq.lcl> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:04:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Numerology 3... From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Please accept my apologize for posting incorrect information! I wasn't fully updated. These news on Numerolgy 3 are awesome IMHO! We now really can use the AU plugin inside a DAW host to generate patterns driven by different sequencer modules for Note Pitch, Note Gate and Velocity. I think this kind of poly rhythm is great fun - both in live sequencing and when playing real physical instrument. Example: Playing a melody of four beats while letting the downbeat accent loop on three beats. A third loop is "heard" within the texture as the attack accent wanders through the melodic pattern. Per On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Fink, Jason E. wrote: > [developer barging in] > > Actually this not the case, both the SE and Pro versions of the > Numerology AU allow you to setup discrete sequencing chains -- > The AU hosts all modules that the app does except for AU plugins. This > bit of confusion is all my own doing: =C2=A0I originally stated (on five1= 2.net) that the SE > version of the Numerology plugin would not allow access to the module rou= ting > panel -- something that is necessary to setup the "discrete sequencing" > stuff. =C2=A0However, I found that workflow to be too much of a disconnec= t from > the app version, so that limitation does not exist in the shipping plugin= . > > [/developer barging in] > > BTW: Hi to everyone on the list! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 12:08:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F8C4183459; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9dNqMC2yOo5eeDGy+KqvXI791MycwP15hlIW3OUwI/Q=; b=U/zf1XJzHGYXvWAduYyQGylmzJA52kZLZbcytAmXXPLfxDqAZ5nkqpVIG4j70V9czf f2r+4XvEvopXgNHJ22MhIJgRUIGfXK6uC161wOmC2zPjmRUzI+Or3+ETqJ8OHqHGEEBd dRjUrxAgeYYEwYuk4szwTjzCNlerTta2ei+xY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ba2q0Zfbpnmqa4T65ddZy9Fu4Abg2I03w+UwPbxVfwh/CX+M9CPiPtUqOMR71CJQQD vBm3akpYEB77p9sQEDDWkLz59lnWva/pIqHaXnQLiRm2w9F5fJszFLN0fOpATyyAX9MT 8HG/e0ThLGa1PXbEzo72U+fBHUdagcVIkrG5s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D19CD3B.7010306@googlemail.com> References: <43.5B.30195.B4E491D4@smtp04.embarq.synacor.com> <4D19CD3B.7010306@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:08:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:08:23 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > A transformer for my Oberheim Matrix 1000 which doesn't hum Rainer, I too have one of those modules. Isn't it a great synth! Mine runs on direct 210 v standard power though. But its volume pot is crackling so when using it I need to wiggle that pot to find a non crackling state and record it ASAP. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 12:35:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A000F183459; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yUpBK9ZHF9FVyRZQJAl8Siz5kvSopU9h2PgaOSrlhio=; b=wdjUV8R8yiRZ+0Px7MRlpS8oYnvq3lmPDMCaVh7EVyYXKrAG8qvWhjLKh7F7Y+gYVl 3+BjDgFe8UJsBc6nGo/WaScfscHIzOEsUMsl2Cir0r2y/I/Mk2BhuPcy/kCHkBi5A1AP h4KDjmSJ76Opxov+7W2JJFOLjgimOoadLvqug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Cjc/WaDxPRIT+2qC7fp19fTj+qejSwHZy36LTTrkD7/ebOpv07watGi4fGGaOZARHK RInkJUe6IKUm0MDgM9S3G5TO1KDaeE9j2b8Uk1tC+xunh2UEvSrnxrAr44pGCKzWqoTi WpnNRvDCQbM9HybpMANPHaybW8+p9SuZ+4zMo= Message-ID: <4D19D982.5030809@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:35:14 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? References: <43.5B.30195.B4E491D4@smtp04.embarq.synacor.com> <4D19CD3B.7010306@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > Rainer, I too have one of those modules. Isn't it a great synth! Mine > runs on direct 210 v standard power though. But its volume pot is > crackling so when using it I need to wiggle that pot to find a non > crackling state and record it ASAP Mine does also run on standard power - I'm talking about its built-in transformer. The power path goes: Connector voltage selector + EMC capacitors transfomer main board (including rectifier) Now the transformer here is the culprit, as discussions in some web forums (e.g. gearslutz) show - it seems that it's a problem with that specific device in combination with the installation. So a different transformer would be cool. But apart from that, a wonderful synth, yes. It's fun to look at the development of Oberheim's Matrix family - which obviously was influenced by the swing towards digital synthesis, and hence the need for Oberheim to offer affordable offshoots of their big guns (i.e. Matrix 12 -> Xpander -> Matrix 6 -> Matrix 1000). I've always been interested in synths with complex modulation routing possibilities (which, at that time, neither the digital nor the non-modular analog synths could do), and the Matrix really shines in that domain. Plus, it's got the "Oberheim Sound" (and as it's Oberheim, it is possibly even mildly on-topic here ;). Btw, the issue with the volume pot should be an easy one to fix: the synth is openend by removing a total of nine Philips screws (3 each left, right and back), and then you got access to the thing - so it should be easy to determine the type of pot installed (it's not soldered to the mainboard if I remember correctly, rather attached with wires), get a generic replacement part and off you go. It's harder with the transformer, because the replacement part is not generic... -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 13:24:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B660183458; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1293542671; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=4uQOy1f2ek3nT+J6X65I6C9TYvw=; b=kg5qQJNU2SOEweOnBng/Px4OK3WR863eqpRgPX4pzhbHNQ70EBKQtu2gSuk67v3P tXO1wgZXueuaIWpZNq0JePzGh6BU32lLsSYVTbL1gCzQexmFcbPTNechkFJGQf4s; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=2NhKNwzSc6PrWkFBfgGOMRtSEtMrGZJZG8RiVu+VIGY= c=1 sm=0 a=2UEKtcyJGhkA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=2tddk7ZlYEsA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=wod9hcA5AAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=CnECiMCMOyTl9SVb3aYA:9 a=iC90UmKOToaIcCpmZNsA:7 a=J1DZKY0OHJKxwBXJVfvwXYJlkKcA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=zaMPjcxdHi0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=Hhc/OnKmOS1xKI2oHPQhqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:24:31 -0500 (EST) From: EDWARD YUHAS To: William Walker Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <238820788.637584.1293542671728.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [129.139.1.68] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2213.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/6.0.5_GA_2213.RHEL4_64) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Wow! This will be a very cool instrument!! I've always appreciated the lap steel, especially when employed as a droning and ambient pad tool such as Robert Rich uses it for. Saw him play this year and he just set his eBow on it and away he went! On the opposite end of the spectrum, Mr. David Lindley is a fine player, too... Can't wait to hear what you create with this! Post pics when you can... Edward ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:08:30 PM Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? I hardly ever get new gear for Christmas, I don't expect my wife to know what I want and besides she already knows that if its musical, I'll get it myself. She gets me cloths which I really appreciate. What I am doing for myself is I'm having Mando Man, (who in addition to being a really fine musician is a world class luthier,) build me a new lap steel. This lap steel will have a duesenberg multi bender bridge on it courtesy of the awesome Leander Reininghaus who sent me the bridge from Germany. Thanks again Leander , you Rock!!!! The instrument will be made of some amazing quilted japanese ash with a curly maple top and an ebony fingerboard. Though I've always been intrigued with the pedal steel guitar, its size, expense, and weight have always kept me from taking the plunge. The Multibender bridge will give me three string pull options in a light weight and portable package. I'm very excited about this new instrument and will be mailing the parts to him today. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 14:11:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A9E9183457; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 14:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=ARm5jno+3JfLupYQ0pWD7wxIRII3S5IRBVd+0nQFKlM=; b=gE7XfOKh2+cTvpMFhA67vSSRsH8upYH/w9Nxql6OQnWCHOg3LWw8CFUCEV0ja5VPot dmLWF2uZwcGgg6vkpL+s4BnITyDVMn11GI9doxQPXLj4atDH4KGnY8dVlZw4Hs6MAejM byTP2cGbJXR9hXm0OjHLX9HGG9MAh9+JrmYaU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=eWDBeJuW2fgyDaIBP1Gc18F0czSYmc7YAyP2M1mF1NUg2MWA6tuR9xnS0limy0+dE0 fH5oxvQTW+CAuaISuUN9WKpug/x7KYpXYjBpZLK7ELQutzJfDTDsq6BPfkvraK8vFob+ wACvLxh/suGTLGcpbqTSSPA1Ltl8osrgtkO0c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 15:11:29 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: FtxaKdtBHOzEf1_gF_KeLeVvwkQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a0739f2ea404987908c6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 14:11:51 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a0739f2ea404987908c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes I love arps too.. and I do use them live to an extent... Currently I only have the DEEP FREQ packaged for the Kore player.. and all the free players , reactor Kontact (thi my lovely wife has bought me Kontakt 4 for christmas - thats for my pre composed "score" music). The arpy patches within Deep Freq of the various Kore freebies are exactly right for my uses, I want just simple and synchable arpegiators, that DO come before maybe 2 synths so I can send the arp infor generater from my ozone keyboard to 2 places, and the arp itself can make the variations that means that not both synth get all notes. On my modular synth (Yes it always originates from ideasa I come up with while sitting crosslegged with a heap of wires on my lap) is to simply send high notes to one synth and low notes to another, BUT then of course both can be transposed back up or down... theres probably clever clever ways using CCs pgms and midi channels, but I like the simple approach. the problem with what Im using now, is that its straight out of the box, I want to construct the sounds themselves and design the arpeggio myself to... heres the Kore player arp in action on a bell sound during my first improvisation of my new band (hence the rehearsal room sound.. its a rehearsal room... jump into the middle somewhere for the arp) http://soundcloud.com/markjens/13122010b_m Mark On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:45 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > have to dive into Bidule again.. > > > I feel obliged to confess that when I have experimented with > arpegiators in Bidule (and other hosts) the most stable and least CPU > demanding solutions so far has been to not use an apreggiator that > sends MIDI into a virtual instrument but to use a MIDI instrument with > its own built-in arpeggiator. The two arpy synth plugins I own are > Albino 3 and Alchemy. They both have worked fine for me for driving > their arpeggio patches from a MIDI guitar or EWI playing chords by the > sustain pedal trick. But I'm not finding it stable enough to do live > and I also think it is too much for me to mentally keep track of when > improvising music on the fly. I would probably use arpeggiators more > if I should play a more pre composed music and had a stronger > computer. I love the sound of arping synths, but to really use it > optially I want to instantly sculpt fitler cut-off, attack and release > values as the patterns are pounding and one laptop doesn't seem > powerful enough for that if working with virtual instruments plus > audio in the box. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --20cf3054a0739f2ea404987908c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes I love arps too.. and I do use them live to an extent...

Current= ly I only have the DEEP FREQ packaged for the Kore player.. and all the fre= e players , reactor Kontact (thi my lovely wife has bought me Kontakt 4 for= christmas - thats for my pre composed "score" music).

The arpy patches within Deep Freq of the various Kore freebies are exac= tly right for my uses, I want just simple and synchable arpegiators, that D= O come before maybe 2 synths so I can send the arp infor generater from my = ozone keyboard to 2 places, and the arp itself can make the variations that= means that not both synth get all notes.

On my modular synth (Yes it always originates from ideasa I come up wit= h while sitting crosslegged with a heap of wires on my lap) is to simply se= nd high notes to one synth and low notes to another, BUT then of course bot= h can be transposed back up or down... theres probably clever clever ways u= sing CCs pgms and midi channels, but I like the simple approach.

the problem with what Im using now, is that its straight out of the box= , I want to construct the sounds themselves and design the arpeggio myself = to...

heres the Kore player arp in action on a bell sound during my= first improvisation of my new band (hence the rehearsal room sound.. its a= rehearsal room... jump into the middle somewhere for the arp)

http://soundclou= d.com/markjens/13122010b_m

Mark

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:45 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> have to dive into Bidule again..


I feel obliged to confess that when I have experimented with
arpegiators in Bidule (and other hosts) the most stable and least CPU
demanding solutions so far has been to not use an apreggiator that
sends MIDI into a virtual instrument but to use a MIDI instrument with
its own built-in arpeggiator. The two arpy synth plugins I own are
Albino 3 and Alchemy. They both have worked fine for me for driving
their arpeggio patches from a MIDI guitar or EWI playing chords by the
sustain pedal trick. But I'm not finding it stable enough to do live and I also think it is too much for me to mentally keep track of when
improvising music on the fly. I would probably use arpeggiators more
if I should play a more pre composed music and had a stronger
computer. I love the sound of arping synths, but to really use it
optially I want to instantly sculpt fitler cut-off, attack and release
values as the patterns are pounding and one laptop doesn't seem
powerful enough for that if working with virtual instruments plus
audio in the box.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub




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www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markf= rancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--20cf3054a0739f2ea404987908c6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 15:42:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B114183457; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 15:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=F9SpSzQb93zcbzYft7s1RyjfX0EcxkkTTyN0avL3l1o=; b=TSoYLLjUdU28XSRSJSsPSErf0JEIqxabe6N3sW+aPB8FQajr3+tHJCi/Yzml9y7jMQ jjamWqNMonGordBy7aWE418IGNkOPu6/y3uI5Q3U4McJTlSHd1FtdzbHgjkYrniwen1Q RuKlwhhEw4DpzStXvYbdPzzRMfytdGIg5QpBo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CeqzB6dYPnXQ9nFRNoXFHgU4RDv0hyqy8LcevPgrUfgKvDg50yntgtVdrCBBF+ITZ0 iey8f/aYFbN2e6Tjv31biCGlvpPiTCGkcaqLh3sYk6BMzvkzope0lGCfOv2FwLGj/MCL OwxjyJw6oPEZb6WF7gk7gFQWzjaJhiyW9LiLk= Message-ID: <4D1A056F.4000500@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:42:39 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 15:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Dustbunnies schrieb: > On 12/27/10 11:18 AM, "Grant" wrote: > >> OK, fess up! What did you get yourself, er I mean, what did Santa bring you >> this year? No fancy electronic gadgetry for me: http://twitpic.com/3kk4py New melodica (to add to the vintage Hohner Piano 36 Professional I already have) and nose flute! Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 16:14:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83E8E183453; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293552891; bh=z9ubN2dln0IekXev4ijF23vvWstPpEt7gH1b5bxLm/w=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i+RCsuLXAH4YbnB9K3eRauhCXjuPaE+DA0kWvwMma5q/51usiU823e/5DI7/iS3LscK9B8GObmUsa+rCWZdRVBiGCLVwf4dRUxJxiWtcDtP4qj/s2qfgmm/nbuuA4vTlH+4QHxwblVPvUsZgvvxJ6iFPDO1h6SPqaGlbE/gv0mw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=daPbYAJOjEDw78RSryoL8GHm8ag1GB7EaOMWPBP8XFf9QzfZ7uDPnV3sn/2pXAXStxV+EoNV3pFqWSGvygdp9V732EuwWGRClGlc8gG/8+PSVFQi0ViugwkwncdOUPN9T27UoW2cgotJKBCDr8J0uY28TJsnn5ogIBIBESHfkxc=; Message-ID: <988079.9274.qm@web38404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tdic3loVM1l4DEjmg2X4huDR5K1htkqaTzROj1hnpB8m0_Y .vh1EEPAbwfNWd9XvnGaLJTFVtAe2f8WmcgLIxEW0Xfb78RutpZIP47J1pBo IfTIE0KWSD_l41eJDqkuFdGRp6gWswBC.KH_7.Tq4e_xgTBs70shiB6qfqho 0n306Nu9n1MdqboNRwdP78jryqqj5poe7IoosGWkbBi8nJ8P2B0FU33cGLoV qRiwHjJD0NwqZs2FNQaMnD_qEWTkFD_W6kjArxfuGQ7wAvxvmbfsoxLuXjDJ r8SIQG2R8X2YrBB56idaMucfw5BBFMzxmMu_qdmelsupWNaQ3oc7Yvcxb5rv TpFj390jCVy8AkeTKvVzaxJawilvcN49BtZLEvDVh7w6Nmm.pQ_A- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:14:50 -0800 (PST) From: Elmer Fuddski Subject: RE: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <19996675.1293508864061.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-932370365-1293552890=:9274" Resent-Message-ID: <3HpZjD.A.5rH.8zgGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:14:52 +0000 (UTC) --0-932370365-1293552890=:9274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like a bunch of spoiled kids with a lot of money to spend/burn! :) =A0 Did anyone do anything to HELP someone in need this Christmas? --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Grant wrote: From: Grant Subject: RE: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 8:01 PM Congratulations all around! Seems like everybody was on the "nice" list! Nothing like a warm fire and cool new gear to play with, eh? I don't have any new gear to brag about this year but I still feel "inspired" by the love and companionship of friends and family. Best to all for a fantastic 2011! G =0A=0A=0A --0-932370365-1293552890=:9274 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds like a bunch of spoiled kids with= a lot of money to spend/burn! :)
 
Did anyone do anything to HELP someone in need this Christmas?

= --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Grant <grantmepeace@mindspring.com> wrote:

From: Grant <grantmepeace@mindspring.com>Subject: RE: So, what new gear did Santa bring you?
To: Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 8:01 PM

Congratulations all around! Seems like everybody was= on the "nice" list!
Nothing like a warm fire and cool new gear to play = with, eh?

I don't have any new gear to brag about this year but I st= ill feel
"inspired" by the love and companionship of friends and family.=

Best to all for a fantastic 2011!

G


=0A=0A --0-932370365-1293552890=:9274-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 16:19:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E324183458; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvMGADudGU1Hq+9F/2dsb2JhbACWFo4awASFSgSEZYk8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,239,1291593600"; d="scan'208,217";a="88506082" X-Previous-IP: 71.171.239.69 Message-Id: From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <988079.9274.qm@web38404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--434012250 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:21:23 -0600 References: <988079.9274.qm@web38404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:19:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--434012250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Did anyone do anything to HELP someone in need this Christmas? > > Sure did. :) --Apple-Mail-6--434012250 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

 
Did anyone do anything to HELP someone in need this Christmas?



Sure did. :)


--Apple-Mail-6--434012250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 16:55:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54630183457; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <988079.9274.qm@web38404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <988079.9274.qm@web38404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:54:55 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CBA6AF.F44F0CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: <4N2Pc.A.Et.lZhGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:55:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CBA6AF.F44F0CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ?Yeah, o Sanctimonious One. I gave some worthy charities some good = cash. How about you? From: Elmer Fuddski=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 4:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: RE: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? Sounds like a bunch of spoiled kids with a lot of money to = spend/burn! :) Did anyone do anything to HELP someone in need this Christmas? --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Grant wrote: From: Grant Subject: RE: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 8:01 PM Congratulations all around! Seems like everybody was on the = "nice" list! Nothing like a warm fire and cool new gear to play with, eh? I don't have any new gear to brag about this year but I still = feel "inspired" by the love and companionship of friends and family. Best to all for a fantastic 2011! G =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CBA6AF.F44F0CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, o Sanctimonious One.  I gave some worthy charities some = good=20 cash.  How about you?
 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: So, what new gear did Santa bring=20 you?
 
Sounds like a bunch of spoiled kids with a lot of money to=20 spend/burn! :)
 
Did anyone do anything to HELP someone in need this=20 Christmas?

--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Grant=20 <grantmepeace@mindspring.com> wrote:

From:=20 Grant <grantmepeace@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: So, = what new=20 gear did Santa bring you?
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday, December = 27, 2010,=20 8:01 PM

Congratulations all around! Seems like = everybody=20 was on the "nice" list!
Nothing like a warm fire and cool new = gear to=20 play with, eh?

I don't have any new gear to brag about = this year=20 but I still feel
"inspired" by the love and companionship of = friends=20 and family.

Best to all for a fantastic=20 = 2011!

G


------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CBA6AF.F44F0CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 18:10:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97F99183458; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 18:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=FZFzN/p8h9GiYe1Do2GquT3vgFJamvkItUSE2HnVSXg=; b=ZQ7Fi74XmSbDF9tLciioejc7tumAjV37PBQX4+p1uW7RYVthi9aL6NoWnfuFhEX8yi IyWISDBxvMO74oAOPscAw/47FDMq/IlVLr+OkFN3dJvHcSNU5glnrGp4La2VyiJU4Pbb yBapYS1CENf8zdlHSb/nx9MkKc8GxK5Y1MuVk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=aXjoQt8YMHI3vfPOQjtNRTjQ/CGM8qTDwybPpCQipwJMJGGvZ7ahktSV0yQ2gcZoQW p7bRiux8tCoH+UaBtTU/s8hwRo4KpLBndzjfszmEkBwO4LqGZ7G9jLtC3DURTAPls2GT BepB9LGB8WywoRY16/+gmkaKcZwBCUz0R4qpY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:10:26 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: m6kONo22Lp1DGX3L4x0VEUPpxXg Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e83e630dfac04987c5fb8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 18:10:48 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e83e630dfac04987c5fb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Simeon, Forgive my ignorance, but can I use this, I dont have the full version of Reactor, only the player (which incidentely gives me quite a few things to play with.. the new micro prism synth for example this xmas, was totally free...) Can I still use this with the player? If so where should I save it to? Its an,, ensemble? right? can I just make a folder somewhere..? mark On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Gmail wrote: > Yeah, look here Mark > http://co.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=userlibrary&type=0&ulbr=1&plview=detail&patchid=6229 > > Sent from my iPod > > On 28 Dec 2010, at 10:45, mark francombe wrote: > > that all swings it really dont it... have to dive into Bidule again.. > wheres the hot visa card..? > > M > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Per Boysen < > perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Per Boysen < >> perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Oberheim Cyclone back in the pre >> > laptop days. It was a hardware MIDI arpeggiator that you connected >> > between a MIDI keyboard and a MIDI sound module... >> >> ...but I used it with a MIDI guitar. Worked well when not fucking up. >> But if the bugs took it out you still had the guitar's audio going, >> and the synth as non-arepeggio sound source behind the guitar sound. >> >> Per >> >> > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e83e630dfac04987c5fb8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Simeon,

Forgive my ignorance, but can I use this, I dont have= the full version of Reactor, only the player (which incidentely gives me q= uite a few things to play with.. the new micro prism synth for example this= xmas, was totally free...)

Can I still use this with the player? If so where should I save it to? = Its an,, ensemble? right? can I just make a folder somewhere..?

mark=



On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 12:03 PM= , Gmail <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:

On 28= Dec 2010, at 10:45, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

that all swings it really dont it... h= ave to dive into Bidule again.. wheres the hot visa card..?

M
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gm= ail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec = 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oberheim Cyclone back in the pre
> laptop days. It was a hardware MIDI arpeggiator that you connected
> between a MIDI keyboard and a MIDI sound module...

...but I used it with a MIDI guitar. Worked well when not fucking up.=
But if the bugs took it out you still had the guitar's audio going,
and the synth as non-arepeggio sound source behind the guitar sound.

Per




--
mark francombewww.markfrancombe.com<= br>www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no



--
mark francombe
ww= w.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoab= khao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vi= meo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.= no
--90e6ba6e83e630dfac04987c5fb8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 18:25:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E38E6183458; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 18:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WMNOv4NjMT7sEOueE/JN1qHoszUR95NIq0IgQpThu4Y=; b=nJU5D/W5AZd8K8oXGb+iX7NakVaa8PITXFxkA6drFOKBbpYr5q8A5Ay7K291mlnzKe QOX2EllWJyUd8u8Q7z6hykcw/OnwL3U4ATvYbhEyoOMdo4iIjQ5/gWwOI5D9PTC55X7i Y+O5nI+tTm1XIdkDVD9jxbVu+GrYE81SKrgIA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=g9pjobC0K2/2DtB5FmJvdwcd5oYlS3HApmLBdx47rJeiASCoTTHJlRB3EKkjBNwfvm 6N0wQUWHxGod9HYng5ufU+jrv+JjWs4C+5vJMW84ZksRr4VnuyNw7uFU7jH7H3Vn710b Rtkgk1wn4QxSGugflGTjfN686LlJODgDijahk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 18:25:48 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517511abcef49bc04987c948f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 18:25:50 +0000 (UTC) --001517511abcef49bc04987c948f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ahh no, i didn't realise you had the player (i didn't know it existed until just now). you'll need the full version to load the ensemble, sorry sim On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 6:10 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Thanks Simeon, > > Forgive my ignorance, but can I use this, I dont have the full version of > Reactor, only the player (which incidentely gives me quite a few things to > play with.. the new micro prism synth for example this xmas, was totally > free...) > > Can I still use this with the player? If so where should I save it to? Its > an,, ensemble? right? can I just make a folder somewhere..? > > mark > > > --001517511abcef49bc04987c948f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ahh no, i didn't realise you had the player (i didn't know it exist= ed until just now). you'll need the full version to load the ensemble, = sorry

sim

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at = 6:10 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
Thanks Simeon,
Forgive my ignorance, but can I use this, I dont have the full version= of Reactor, only the player (which incidentely gives me quite a few things= to play with.. the new micro prism synth for example this xmas, was totall= y free...)

Can I still use this with the player? If so where should I save it to? = Its an,, ensemble? right? can I just make a folder somewhere..?

mark


--001517511abcef49bc04987c948f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 18:55:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09598183456; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 18:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=DOn2T9YXYcsrVKFF6mXz+zpclm9SdKsBojCXg4U8M1otpNjFUlZknTadQ/ZlLWsJ; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:55:06 -0800 References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec791d93a7782c4a3de5ba32917ec1e981f3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 97.90.119.204 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 18:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Too bad! Or you could being using this: http://heavensonearth.com/Godel/ dpc On Dec 28, 2010, at 10:10 AM, mark francombe wrote: > I dont have the full version of Reactor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 19:08:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CBC1183457; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=AP+IZDi+cJUDo/SKGuGxxoeNpRBNonHxQCAgFbEa9+Q=; b=Y0m1BujGRwIjNiqUGYSM64Gu93CZAQPNmzAbp3Kqjoo7gHvUi6gp6Mwn97RoX8vJ9/ uFLKD/bngyujKWKNDU/97qGvBkWdFJu8IR2/VTTxRk/IsaXHVad5lUyQacDTjMjGjrtb Uk+3VAP8c/v5BaOmGC9Opq8eKMjQC6P0CObFY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=BTGlAe8YXAdtfytbUvbSVd6zGpPCcWc+WWJZ6yCNLecxQ3wJlgx8tDJ6Ks2XG3qYdQ eVBGh0j+gW+GuT24mwzfzA8OtlEUI+QwEC4JrOCfaRsU8HupJnftRVdKO+I7YO34s3n6 g1Y7P3+xyohjeX0ydIqfadw1B8C4UsV0YdJTE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:08:02 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fJroGVHjngSq6snDf80_OH-15VA Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8a4c30a53904987d2d11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:08:24 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8a4c30a53904987d2d11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 David Coffin wrote: Too bad! Or you could being using this: http://heavensonearth.com/Godel/ Holy Shit that things Ugly! Mind you it does look pretty full of features... Im afraid too complex for my needs... An Arprgiator and Arpegiator... my kingdom for an arpegiator! While I'm here, and still on topic for a change... and hovering over the buy button for Bidule; Can answer my previous question? If one constructs something in Bidule, can one.. kinda burn it as an app, (vst for example) and distribute it, like one can with SynthEdit stuff? Or will it be something only other Bidule users can use, and will its view in Mulch appear like a nice tiny app with a few buttons and sliders, or will the WHOLE GODDAM Bidule interface pop into the window? Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8a4c30a53904987d2d11 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Coffin <dpcoffin@earthlink.net> wrote:
Too bad! Or you could be= ing using this:
http://heave= nsonearth.com/Godel/

Holy Shit that things Ugly! Mind you it doe= s look pretty full of features... Im afraid too complex for my needs...
An Arprgiator and Arpegiator... my kingdom for an arpegiator!

Wh= ile I'm here, and still on topic for a change... and hovering over the = buy button for Bidule;

Can answer my previous question?

If one constructs something in Bidule, can one.. kinda burn it as an app, (= vst for example) and distribute it, like one can with SynthEdit stuff? Or w= ill it be something only other Bidule users can use, and will its view in M= ulch appear like a nice tiny app with a few buttons and sliders, or will th= e WHOLE GODDAM Bidule interface pop into the window?

Mark


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mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e8a4c30a53904987d2d11-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 19:16:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E085183457; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KNH3fsnytKsZZ1+BF8rfC56lgE8PBSPvOuSVT5lUqbk=; b=qjHTUQqX5DvB1un2UWupqPaxoXBQEXnE149ul6goPfNfWl55tXYkhgdpL+CXIc/2wT GzAZOLLufrbCnzjqw8ZQSIJILo8D7ixq7j3jQQ+jA/NfYDAN6cCv74g809fk6MuY/Q+1 rdfx+/BjuSL1wHhEQEKKo721uSCzUzRZG0eVM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=e26EFevGnZpB28iKgvgYxab8MDGBgYKQz84JMQIDHj/klcNopGIC/Pp13iI5wZL4cx 5qDwEALhoQ3+0hLELJ57rTKDpICJRb+WG2nQWFd8lsCyIncVwBTa0WuoltyrgIPlgJVn DkjzRV7t6D/9pyIS4jfsAK7TRhAicdeEHk9vw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:16:53 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517511abc96a4ad04987d4b17 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:16:54 +0000 (UTC) --001517511abc96a4ad04987d4b17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 to my knowledge, one cannot create a "VST" type plugin by "exporting" bidule groups. they can only be used by other bidule users. you could of course host the plugin version of bidule inside audiomulch, but that seems a bit mad i'm sure you could find exactly what you're looking for, if you were prepared to shell out a few quid. i know you wanted something free, but as we all know, the best things in life sometimes aren't - true love...delicious pizza....and apparently....midi arpeggiators sim On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:08 PM, mark francombe wrote: > David Coffin wrote: > Too bad! Or you could being using this: > http://heavensonearth.com/Godel/ > > Holy Shit that things Ugly! Mind you it does look pretty full of > features... Im afraid too complex for my needs... > > An Arprgiator and Arpegiator... my kingdom for an arpegiator! > > While I'm here, and still on topic for a change... and hovering over the > buy button for Bidule; > > Can answer my previous question? > > If one constructs something in Bidule, can one.. kinda burn it as an app, > (vst for example) and distribute it, like one can with SynthEdit stuff? Or > will it be something only other Bidule users can use, and will its view in > Mulch appear like a nice tiny app with a few buttons and sliders, or will > the WHOLE GODDAM Bidule interface pop into the window? > > Mark > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > --001517511abc96a4ad04987d4b17 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable to my knowledge, one cannot create a "VST" type plugin by "e= xporting" bidule groups. they can only be used by other bidule users.<= br>
you could of course host the plugin version of bidule inside audiomu= lch, but that seems a bit mad

i'm sure you could find exactly what you're looking for, if you= were prepared to shell out a few quid. i know you wanted something free, b= ut as we all know, the best things in life sometimes aren't - true love= ...delicious pizza....and apparently....midi arpeggiators

sim

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:08 PM,= mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
David Coffin <dpcoffin@earthlink.net> wrote:
Too bad! Or you could being using this:
http://heave= nsonearth.com/Godel/

Holy Shit that things Ugly! Mind you = it does look pretty full of features... Im afraid too complex for my needs.= ..

An Arprgiator and Arpegiator... my kingdom for an arpegiator!

Wh= ile I'm here, and still on topic for a change... and hovering over the = buy button for Bidule;

Can answer my previous question?

If one constructs something in Bidule, can one.. kinda burn it as an app, (= vst for example) and distribute it, like one can with SynthEdit stuff? Or w= ill it be something only other Bidule users can use, and will its view in M= ulch appear like a nice tiny app with a few buttons and sliders, or will th= e WHOLE GODDAM Bidule interface pop into the window?

Mark

--001517511abc96a4ad04987d4b17-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 19:23:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24061183455; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=435XhGTTzL4knVYtqKBYNV2AzRXEvCHtmHuCrKZVwFw=; b=eeRPS67MZZzj2LVw7c9blc9zhzProVqIGgLFk0f9y7wJNxLXP501GXUQE1IPdTQF34 hpFttjBBuUAn8rSZk0tlcVS0QPgrhadGI9E8j+XJVJmNRonWdXv/Bo8HsiYOVzNnVUxD ROAXSM+zd8JscFR2jKhOe04TufJ5MIR9PG958= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=L3eakg2nT/q7YwOufGr0tDpuTuwk1/G14v5beAM0FCrj9yhvkk6mgveGKLKJKXAknD /EOtPYV0t/i1NIKOPCdVaYKJ2jGEsuhQER4ViBrlVxfmkZYMW/LErc14voX1nO5fCXf+ P0JXY9R/LOQZtu1wn/wovq+ntGpMoh5l5sFm4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:22:30 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BV521_LHGRqpYcueSCvDRjIGPFo Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e83e6e912b904987d6005 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:22:53 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e83e6e912b904987d6005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah OK.. thanks Simeon.. Well if I had a perfect solution I might pay... nothing I have seen is quite like I see in my head.. which does point to Bidule, and me scrapping Audio Mulch as my host.. I dont REALLY want to do that, as Mulch is something I dont have to learn a) cos I know it m and B) cos its easy peasy pudding and pie! ...and everyone is absolutely sure that theres no Mac equivalent to Synth Edit? That was really a wonderful program, and when I was PC, I built up everything I needed for use in Mulch.. my god if I could be using those plugins I made back then now.. but unfortunately they are all dlls! Mark On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > to my knowledge, one cannot create a "VST" type plugin by "exporting" > bidule groups. they can only be used by other bidule users. > > you could of course host the plugin version of bidule inside audiomulch, > but that seems a bit mad > > i'm sure you could find exactly what you're looking for, if you were > prepared to shell out a few quid. i know you wanted something free, but as > we all know, the best things in life sometimes aren't - true > love...delicious pizza....and apparently....midi arpeggiators > > sim > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e83e6e912b904987d6005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah OK.. thanks Simeon.. Well if I had a perfect solution I might pay... not= hing I have seen is quite like I see in my head.. which does point to Bidul= e, and me scrapping Audio Mulch as my host.. I dont REALLY want to do that,= as Mulch is something I dont have to learn a) cos I know it m and B) cos i= ts easy peasy pudding and pie!

...and everyone is absolutely sure that theres no Mac equivalent to Syn= th Edit? That was really a wonderful program, and when I was PC, I built up= everything I needed for use in Mulch.. my god if I could be using those pl= ugins I made back then now.. but unfortunately they are all dlls!

Mark

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:16 PM,= Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
to my knowledge, one cannot create a "VST" type plugin by "e= xporting" bidule groups. they can only be used by other bidule users.<= br>
you could of course host the plugin version of bidule inside audiomu= lch, but that seems a bit mad

i'm sure you could find exactly what you're looking for, if you= were prepared to shell out a few quid. i know you wanted something free, b= ut as we all know, the best things in life sometimes aren't - true love= ...delicious pizza....and apparently....midi arpeggiators

sim

--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e83e6e912b904987d6005-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 19:26:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23521183456; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3Il4pr1NJZAwKpskCkYOYuPYCv1+F77ivaXknjnfVk8=; b=B1UoYn0bPAZR09iejESt8EUg/LYBt8JtRxb7CfZsJKtSUL4eQNpTSckEC2I93YQfUL YE3TzdrAYILqnVkN5SlrWfNDpGq+v/6vAz013wcEGYdJeFgGgNEUDsOQ7BV94D5mpZfW N5FlIN+FQp099S7jf8zPHN27CZ0dbaom91tiU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=fTXKw+i6Xw2XZwDw5kJvbOToTW8gEE05vtFuk4om4QQmSV3Bg2wmZPxiQ96C/T0dc5 U8PzWAzCA3XW7tg6WGyZaJmZnzwJN4FHbcGrO5wgxB8SOb65mWn9a4BYFTuYXEVPtLO7 Z8Jv1fhxA5ibuqK5uX8Im3NFUIu4NuylEu76s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 14:26:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151749f6a2a0fd6e04987d6da1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:26:28 +0000 (UTC) --00151749f6a2a0fd6e04987d6da1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Try... http://sonicbirth.sourceforge.net/ for Mac. On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:22 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Ah OK.. thanks Simeon.. Well if I had a perfect solution I might pay... > nothing I have seen is quite like I see in my head.. which does point to > Bidule, and me scrapping Audio Mulch as my host.. I dont REALLY want to do > that, as Mulch is something I dont have to learn a) cos I know it m and B) > cos its easy peasy pudding and pie! > > ...and everyone is absolutely sure that theres no Mac equivalent to Synth > Edit? That was really a wonderful program, and when I was PC, I built up > everything I needed for use in Mulch.. my god if I could be using those > plugins I made back then now.. but unfortunately they are all dlls! > > Mark > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Simeon Harris < > simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> to my knowledge, one cannot create a "VST" type plugin by "exporting" >> bidule groups. they can only be used by other bidule users. >> >> you could of course host the plugin version of bidule inside audiomulch, >> but that seems a bit mad >> >> i'm sure you could find exactly what you're looking for, if you were >> prepared to shell out a few quid. i know you wanted something free, but as >> we all know, the best things in life sometimes aren't - true >> love...delicious pizza....and apparently....midi arpeggiators >> >> sim >> >> -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > -- -==-=-=- Tony --00151749f6a2a0fd6e04987d6da1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try...

http://sonicbi= rth.sourceforge.net/

for Mac.

= On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:22 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> = wrote:
Ah OK.. thanks Simeon.. Well if I had a per= fect solution I might pay... nothing I have seen is quite like I see in my = head.. which does point to Bidule, and me scrapping Audio Mulch as my host.= . I dont REALLY want to do that, as Mulch is something I dont have to learn= a) cos I know it m and B) cos its easy peasy pudding and pie!

...and everyone is absolutely sure that theres no Mac equivalent to Syn= th Edit? That was really a wonderful program, and when I was PC, I built up= everything I needed for use in Mulch.. my god if I could be using those pl= ugins I made back then now.. but unfortunately they are all dlls!

Mark


On Tue,= Dec 28, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@google= mail.com> wrote:
to my knowledge, one cannot create a "VST" type plugin by "e= xporting" bidule groups. they can only be used by other bidule users.<= br>
you could of course host the plugin version of bidule inside audiomu= lch, but that seems a bit mad

i'm sure you could find exactly what you're looking for, if you= were prepared to shell out a few quid. i know you wanted something free, b= ut as we all know, the best things in life sometimes aren't - true love= ...delicious pizza....and apparently....midi arpeggiators

sim




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--00151749f6a2a0fd6e04987d6da1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 19:27:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA1A6183459; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Lb/MMBsjgwf3tqwT/rdvqfgIaw64GyTtde6nbSeQFY4=; b=uXPYiQsrfEkizDeVwt54E6ofDrAvVlmOApAFriR7Jhfdgd631hHvvIhX0a3T1uW01E SWZfwnVAmVhyXaAc6p8/patB6FTuOTXwnyN8UfJamxj4Qsa6CqLJhYr/EJiezbSUzx81 dOpaJWt9Wxp3zy8jqQWzSFRKoItDJj1pU6Eow= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=q2K1O27BtRCM8tP/NhLWweGvE6drOP0mvUO66B12KOKcSh1vU1RCAzlFHwEkF6uNvg 3Foooj1+t5bbeOBUwh+Y9dw6o8l7HrJarxzWtKko1L6KVcT8I8BekSgcIxP+qPyDOern J0oRygPhdBluxjif1EuHkYNgyusVr4PN7VqgU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:27:48 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517573e02a2fa6e04987d7278 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:27:49 +0000 (UTC) --001517573e02a2fa6e04987d7278 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i just did a quick search on the apple audio site on the word "arpeggiator" and guess what it came up with - AUDIOMULCH! "what's new in version 2.1.1.... - New rhythmic matrix pattern editors for Arpeggiator, SouthPole and Bassline" now i know absolutely nothing about audiomulch, having messed about with it for all of one day, but doesn't....that....sound...kinda....like....what....you....were....after...all...along....? *hides behind large wall of sandbags* s --001517573e02a2fa6e04987d7278 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i just did a quick search on the apple audio site on the word "arpeggi= ator" and guess what it came up with - AUDIOMULCH!

"what&#= 39;s new in version 2.1.1....

- New rhythmic matrix pattern editors = for Arpeggiator, SouthPole and Bassline"

now i know absolutely nothing about audiomulch, having messed about wit= h it for all of one day, but doesn't....that....sound...kinda....like..= ..what....you....were....after...all...along....?

*hides behind larg= e wall of sandbags*

s
--001517573e02a2fa6e04987d7278-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 19:40:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52395183474; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Xom4Wh8hLJvE9gvr9ULu1J1l9EvuFs2/3CxteheIL4I=; b=QsZy5ouisWC0G7BEeOhOyuXI5VzqlPOiRrkct/C20oeOBGijgNtApKms7x+VTW8eIk PwH/mLYg4DIoGzYmRBhYqPp7+tiz8u9///YLJOMVrvXo8feX/x34yqIsTfyxUImeAcp3 FnBBNrauWesI3g1MZ7HUtOn9cE5Sfz2/2uhbw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mnyfXH7qKIW+QNBMnQNVUE0MFzBdb6TozTfDN0KyZaBFSpVY6lOkBk9709c0TIO3xw 1hDEpZAfif5mO5/xR75T3r/Hqy4xAXuVJXMLITXquANYvpNtBNL9Td+/YAiLp5KIZPdE ia4EB8QYsffwAQYwbuMcFxDAWOkngSAEv7Ykg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:40:18 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Per Boysen To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:40:19 +0000 (UTC) On Tuesday, December 28, 2010, mark francombe wrote: > which does point to Bidule, and me scrapping Audio Mulch as my host.. I dont REALLY want to do that, as Mulch is something I dont have to learn a) cos I know it Well stick with AM then and spice it up with Bidule AU plugins running whatever magic you mocked up in Bidule and exported as a Group. That seems as a strategy you will expand with and a system you'll hardly outgrow. Sort of creative and open no man's land between prefab and barebones programming. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 19:49:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38938183487; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=UEupfSy7Kp934V+80GBBN324W933HSIseaOHaTy2fGs=; b=ickjz56x379Rvv95ExQAnD4VE8nH8Eu5v/NPG6nEvpJCY6X+W1bHFDmxs+01OpMPqO hlC6l136i0JJWjgNa/MN4CKdDI5dBT0aUQ46hS9xT1MPuLOpwCzMH7CrecuxndaW7aXa TuyXsM5hSzp6TDo9wndZy5DCNWSPeBRSco0ps= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=MG3Waa50LSV8egSnaQHfSGNVgr/OeqKf19FAxJZ8hrsaMpI6S3DwTj2gSodNocLoYp qcfMfINWTJ0gqxXfTN3dwo1iM2lHJHFN1P4xlXKaMVAvpgMswNV9Ffa2ako/z05clOgf 7RlVyDeS2Vg4MSXXk6kWA7/SrjKK4fok4VOsQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:49:20 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: yUk5rzN1-mAFh6fTp0RKJJItpbM Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8a4cd39c2a04987dc02e Resent-Message-ID: <2VPP_D.A.J1F.W9jGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:49:43 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8a4cd39c2a04987dc02e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ha! Well Sim, the builtin arpegiator in mulch is a kind of stand alone instrument, not used to fire any external synth, it has a basic but cute sine wave/squarewave, but has no midi in outs, plus the notes it picks are done within the environment, I need to be able to hit my keyboard and input the arpped notes that way... And to Per.. this seems to be the way for me to go yes, and if I fall in love with Bidule in the process, well so be it.. Ive just been trying to find out what a Bidule, whatdchamacallit.. "group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need or the whole damn thing... M On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > i just did a quick search on the apple audio site on the word "arpeggiator" > and guess what it came up with - AUDIOMULCH! > > "what's new in version 2.1.1.... > > - New rhythmic matrix pattern editors for Arpeggiator, SouthPole and > Bassline" > > now i know absolutely nothing about audiomulch, having messed about with it > for all of one day, but > doesn't....that....sound...kinda....like....what....you....were....after...all...along....? > > *hides behind large wall of sandbags* > > s > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8a4cd39c2a04987dc02e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ha! Well Sim, the builtin arpegiator in mulch is a kind of stand alone inst= rument, not used to fire any external synth, it has a basic but cute sine w= ave/squarewave, but has no midi in outs, plus the notes it picks are done w= ithin the environment, I need to be able to hit my keyboard and input the a= rpped notes that way...

And to Per.. this seems to be the way for me to go yes, and if I fall i= n love with Bidule in the process, well so be it.. Ive just been trying to = find out what a Bidule, whatdchamacallit.. "group?" what that wil= l look like in Mulch... just the controls I need or the whole damn thing...=

M

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Si= meon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
i just did a quick search on the apple audio site on the word "arpeggi= ator" and guess what it came up with - AUDIOMULCH!

"what&#= 39;s new in version 2.1.1....

- New rhythmic matrix pattern editors = for Arpeggiator, SouthPole and Bassline"

now i know absolutely nothing about audiomulch, having messed about wit= h it for all of one day, but doesn't....that....sound...kinda....like..= ..what....you....were....after...all...along....?

*hides behind larg= e wall of sandbags*

s



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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancomb= e
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e8a4cd39c2a04987dc02e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 20:04:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A86C618347A; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1PE8jTLg5VC4YJbAM7QxGF0aplDUei1r79UOwPXIZxM=; b=Wbube2djiY/cMOB/piTxgScwOKK6UHHEMUBdQgZ0aQjXUQ6dN1rMONUOSMp004iFJu 54V4L5xL2skmFzf+rCqgdW+Q7MF5uWTkq/leOkY9oj6PlBfk+9yog+BKpK9FJrNpNFPV bxomNiLdpkDBfrcAbCuJyyjrpp9LopQMiI4SU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=atL7wT4pN8Nex2JHOoqQVDe3RuegMyyulB7oXeqZCGQR0XByEUOFWUcXV2ds8KIHMZ eQrDvDujG1Rpk/7+zOFKmN8u5sAIQAYg62oG1C1ER8nNmJxd70ttdxCTh04IubS2BLMg T9fb74bvfqTSQZqQhpWQ7tb290ghSETskIPfY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:04:40 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517573e027e7d5304987df6c2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:04:41 +0000 (UTC) --001517573e027e7d5304987df6c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 bidule is like audiomulch, in that the "whole thing" is just what you've put into the layout. if the layout contains one group, then that's all you'll see. sim On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:49 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Ive just been trying to find out what a Bidule, whatdchamacallit.. > "group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need or > the whole damn thing... > --001517573e027e7d5304987df6c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bidule is like audiomulch, in that the "whole thing" is just what= you've put into the layout. if the layout contains one group, then tha= t's all you'll see.

sim

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:49 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> = wrote:
=A0Ive just been trying to find out what a Bidule, whatdchamacallit.. "= ;group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need= or the whole damn thing...
--001517573e027e7d5304987df6c2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 20:15:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BF81183456; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=MFewzdh7UfJYVuRGBQp2ngAB6BpwCDcqU0HqSwIWktE=; b=t91xVz+iUxJn/pngtcwgyMbh8MjyCrnFQrfyqlRPmfRm4Budj1F9+ncdqFaLaj/8a1 Vy3Cy7QyQYhHR9Fr8ghC0A6j16Pisa0gq8IB95eMk1kQpTF/VZdjSMUaeVttJcQh7UMY 7T5goWyxjDRZGLSlaWZdLnSrp0SByp+04Mse8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=iro4h5XW4LHDZGmseL+ITJlobTQiUAameMLVqlGwIJHQUjL9oGz11vUCsuUATTx6lG VPsebo5dDzol+VjpowUsdoJK0F9y/DnI+LGHFAUJj9PQB1Fs8TJ72ThcnWIFeiuzk+2W 2ugw3VQKtl+A71PqWGyonHJq3414HLe2PW80A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:14:58 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lTSCoNUiLkLKq-NLcrDhUs5Quzs Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e838480b8b504987e1c8e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:15:19 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e838480b8b504987e1c8e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK well I bought it.. and immediatly remember why I dont like it... It looks 'orrible! The way the er.. "bidules" float about the screen gettin in the way and you are always looking at your cabling mess in the background... *sigh*.. design design design... how hard can it be really? Typical program designed by a programmer... Oh well.. Ill dive in and try and make something... all I need is to know what to expose as the midi ins and outs, and Im ready.. better join some kinda bidule forum I spose... more NEWB posts... God If coundted the amount of times Ive written into a forum post.. Newb here.. Help??? MArk On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > bidule is like audiomulch, in that the "whole thing" is just what you've > put into the layout. if the layout contains one group, then that's all > you'll see. > > sim > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:49 PM, mark francombe wrote: > >> Ive just been trying to find out what a Bidule, whatdchamacallit.. >> "group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need or >> the whole damn thing... >> > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e838480b8b504987e1c8e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK well I bought it.. and immediatly remember why I dont like it... It look= s 'orrible! The way the er.. "bidules" float about the screen= gettin in the way and you are always looking at your cabling mess in the b= ackground... *sigh*.. design design design... how hard can it be really? Ty= pical program designed by a programmer... Oh well.. Ill dive in and try and= make something... all I need is to know what to expose as the midi ins and= outs, and Im ready.. better join some kinda bidule forum I spose... more N= EWB posts... God If coundted the amount of times Ive written into a forum p= ost.. Newb here.. Help???

MArk

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:04 PM,= Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
bidule is like audiomulch, in that the "whole thing" is just what= you've put into the layout. if the layout contains one group, then tha= t's all you'll see.

sim


On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:49 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.c= om> wrote:
=A0Ive just been trying to find out what a Bidule, whatdchamacallit.. "= ;group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need= or the whole damn thing...



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twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e838480b8b504987e1c8e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 20:25:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13EF4183457; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_00587919-89a1-4fb1-a2f5-67e36f81f5f8_" X-Originating-IP: [81.132.96.226] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: low cpu midi appegiator Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:25:21 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid>,,,,,,,,<0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> , ,,,, , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2010 20:25:21.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A0EB190:01CBA6CD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:25:24 +0000 (UTC) --_00587919-89a1-4fb1-a2f5-67e36f81f5f8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What about the arpeggiator in Ableton live=2C Mark? From: mark@markfrancombe.com Date: Tue=2C 28 Dec 2010 21:14:58 +0100 Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com OK well I bought it.. and immediatly remember why I dont like it... It look= s 'orrible! The way the er.. "bidules" float about the screen gettin in the= way and you are always looking at your cabling mess in the background... *= sigh*.. design design design... how hard can it be really? Typical program = designed by a programmer... Oh well.. Ill dive in and try and make somethin= g... all I need is to know what to expose as the midi ins and outs=2C and I= m ready.. better join some kinda bidule forum I spose... more NEWB posts...= God If coundted the amount of times Ive written into a forum post.. Newb h= ere.. Help??? MArk On Tue=2C Dec 28=2C 2010 at 9:04 PM=2C Simeon Harris wrote: bidule is like audiomulch=2C in that the "whole thing" is just what you've = put into the layout. if the layout contains one group=2C then that's all yo= u'll see.=20 sim On Tue=2C Dec 28=2C 2010 at 7:49 PM=2C mark francombe wrote: Ive just been trying to find out what a Bidule=2C whatdchamacallit.. "grou= p?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need or the wh= ole damn thing... --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no = --_00587919-89a1-4fb1-a2f5-67e36f81f5f8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What about the arpeggiator in Ableton live=2C Mark?

From: mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Tue=2C 28 Dec 2010 21:14:58 += 0100
Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers= -delight.com

OK well I bought it.. and immediatly remember why I don= t like it... It looks 'orrible! The way the er.. "bidules" float about the = screen gettin in the way and you are always looking at your cabling mess in= the background... *sigh*.. design design design... how hard can it be real= ly? Typical program designed by a programmer... Oh well.. Ill dive in and t= ry and make something... all I need is to know what to expose as the midi i= ns and outs=2C and Im ready.. better join some kinda bidule forum I spose..= . more NEWB posts... God If coundted the amount of times Ive written into a= forum post.. Newb here.. Help???

MArk

On Tue=2C Dec 28=2C 2010 at 9= :04 PM=2C Simeon Harris <=3Bsimeon= harris40@googlemail.com>=3B wrote:
bidule is like audiomulch=2C in that the "whole thing" is just what you've = put into the layout. if the layout contains one group=2C then that's all yo= u'll see.

sim


On Tue=2C Dec 28=2C 2010 at 7:49 PM=2C mark francombe <= =3Bmark@markfrancombe.com>=3B wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"ecxgmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left: 1ex=3B">  =3BIve just been trying to find out what a Bidule=2C whatdchamacallit.= . "group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need or= the whole damn thing...



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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
= --_00587919-89a1-4fb1-a2f5-67e36f81f5f8_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 20:41:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51A7C183473; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:41:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6vcdxp1vQByhGxDTSXi/oqF9+0JKTKi56nD6duMtTc8=; b=RJoof9UwmUc6hmwiz23Tgl7UHGFlmtdOn8x2krbo143J3028impGs03GZ7c4k1j5vj CodfUv0FHUhfcWX90j8yfMWi32xThO/uRPm5tdKaD9UtNtYJlHjIYwO3fzVoFbIS+8PV ef+237MoVczYlM0WT38OQ7GbSe3Lgr9uTp5/k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=ZxavpyLTJeAmAcd2gLTF1GwE2kVOzqEV7jKNkPOBziK6WbUZ8TheeJZG7ed54mk139 R/JExsHo+MpnbbhE3gsiR9StU5QRgWZBtFgHVCOD4imdHdsj/dT+amIp9ZK71QrzpGw8 HrtE4+XraArgShCVvEJbqasQp4v/+8ICc4xLo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:41:50 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517511abc6ebd0104987e7bee Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:41:54 +0000 (UTC) --001517511abc6ebd0104987e7bee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yeah, i really don't like the way bidule looks either. in fact, i really don't like much about it at all, apart from it's atability. it just doesn't look FUN in the same way that audiomulch does. i couldn't afford audiomulch at the time i bought bidule and havn't bothered to change. just for giggles, i'm going to have a go at this and see if i can get it to work. we can be newbs together. i'll let you know how i get on sim ------------------------------ > From: mark@markfrancombe.com > Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:14:58 +0100 > Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > OK well I bought it.. and immediatly remember why I dont like it... It > looks 'orrible! The way the er.. "bidules" float about the screen gettin in > the way and you are always looking at your cabling mess in the background... > *sigh*.. design design design... how hard can it be really? Typical program > designed by a programmer... Oh well.. Ill dive in and try and make > something... all I need is to know what to expose as the midi ins and outs, > and Im ready.. better join some kinda bidule forum I spose... more NEWB > posts... God If coundted the amount of times Ive written into a forum post.. > Newb here.. Help??? > > MArk > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Simeon Harris < > simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > > bidule is like audiomulch, in that the "whole thing" is just what you've > put into the layout. if the layout contains one group, then that's all > you'll see. > > sim > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:49 PM, mark francombe wrote: > > Ive just been trying to find out what a Bidule, whatdchamacallit.. > "group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need or > the whole damn thing... > > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > --001517511abc6ebd0104987e7bee Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah, i really don't like the way bidule looks either. in fact, i reall= y don't like much about it at all, apart from it's atability. it ju= st doesn't look FUN in the same way that audiomulch does. i couldn'= t afford audiomulch at the time i bought bidule and havn't bothered to = change.

just for giggles, i'm going to have a go at this and see if i can g= et it to work. we can be newbs together. i'll let you know how i get on=

sim

From: = mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:14:58 +0100
Subj= ect: Re: low cpu midi appegiator
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


OK well I bought it.. and immediatly r= emember why I dont like it... It looks 'orrible! The way the er.. "= ;bidules" float about the screen gettin in the way and you are always = looking at your cabling mess in the background... *sigh*.. design design de= sign... how hard can it be really? Typical program designed by a programmer= ... Oh well.. Ill dive in and try and make something... all I need is to kn= ow what to expose as the midi ins and outs, and Im ready.. better join some= kinda bidule forum I spose... more NEWB posts... God If coundted the amoun= t of times Ive written into a forum post.. Newb here.. Help???

MArk

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
bidule is like audiomulch, in that the "whole thing" is just what= you've put into the layout. if the layout contains one group, then tha= t's all you'll see.

sim


On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:49 PM, mark francombe <ma= rk@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
=A0Ive just been trying to find out what a Bidule, whatdchamacallit.. "= ;group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need= or the whole damn thing...



--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter= @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
=
--001517511abc6ebd0104987e7bee-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 20:42:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 387DD183466; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:42:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=wSqGQrxF8qLRn29ugb4torKqCvpAtqvTFsMsBKw84zg=; b=u00PF9F8BE5A9JUmxswtCLz7myiMl2cao6Hb2gJ+0yZNWd+qNajPgnrEEHsLahEobX /QiZpCtrCvIYhUzI5sr7Ejwh6yHEt4ZNFSN5nX6LlTraSOOwveFM3YlOboDPuEhjwFZc MJE69YjSeZdsiM5kUpWxzpj1ZYSwwRl1eN074= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=xBvToXCdcQgxwwMIZgqXuaU4XXGw+oZb0sL5vZgaRrHctZQ88s6IR6Rc7DIjgUdwo7 IgsVMlouSaUgA3UdNguuDzYhL2yeG2fW29FGpkocbfgwl44bYE5ihA9EcISRD4OHBgT2 YBHzw5fCbtpj5i31kfuB0nzcFFjDHcJ0gOIKA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:42:04 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dq6dZRfHgLbu0Zs2nG4zmW2PZu8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e83e669404704987e7db4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:42:24 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e83e669404704987e7db4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 PLEASE! Not Live... I struggled with Live before YK2X... not for me.. great in some ways.. but not for me...I just want to make what I need and have it visible, nothing else... thats not to say I wont use Live for other uses, but right here, Im building my improv environment... Its all functioning pefectly in AM, just that I want to be able to arpegiate ANY synth sound or sample, not just the ones contained within patches... so.. a midi arpegiator.. !! On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > What about the arpeggiator in Ableton live, Mark? > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e83e669404704987e7db4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PLEASE! Not Live... I struggled with Live before YK2X... not for me.. great= in some ways.. but not for me...I just want to make what I need and have i= t visible, nothing else... thats not to say I wont use Live for other uses,= but right here, Im building my improv environment... Its all functioning p= efectly in AM, just that I want to be able to arpegiate ANY synth sound or = sample, not just the ones contained within patches... so.. a midi arpegiato= r.. !!

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Gareth Whit= tock <budd= hamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
What about the arpeggiator in Ableton live, Mark?


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twitter @markfrancombe
http://vi= meo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.= no
--90e6ba6e83e669404704987e7db4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 20:47:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B540183489; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=3RCIfPYrHXUgo3L7T5SvPafm0S+3+8O3ibI40f+Pgvo=; b=AP3pXo5c73EZ4JkuJsAmplTDoIfHG2sagTdfXTwSpFdl+CKNFU/m+QqnLp+DboDTJn wle/iMviYUMetlj7fxVfXZ6PZjsnBYwKMgTUFrHQGI8imnpKT4KfG5luogMnvNegOHai 85nrQ5On/3KIJLQ3icRoAmnuQCqywcgBQ7moI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=NpxOVtFdh9tODomkQypzOnJpJZIfLdsLC7clYcp3sJ07KHLYrpNOEXpD2agMQ3VV5T a8mQ9DyYZJTCC1W8TgcU3ShJ5VaQ/gl9xJ6GlzAkpNAbJxzl4C5GmHYNBW0yowehN++R 8AS87BFzqeeLWyYx+aM3ZbIJcgtdW7eclUBdw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:47:05 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: sMmXeQ6Y91wyHNMMp7k_pjoa1ls Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8384657c7c04987e8fe3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:47:28 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8384657c7c04987e8fe3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK cool... I wrote a few lines of intention a moment ago, >midi in from keyboard port >should "scan" the notes played and play them in sequence. (first try to get UP working) >doubling. It needs to be possible to add an octave jump per note, so that a single key press will play two notes... this is just a matter of multiplying the recived notes by 2 and playing them after the initial sequence. >midi out to synth step one... juet get an in and and an out working, with someting in between to check that its works... On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > yeah, i really don't like the way bidule looks either. in fact, i really > don't like much about it at all, apart from it's atability. it just doesn't > look FUN in the same way that audiomulch does. i couldn't afford audiomulch > at the time i bought bidule and havn't bothered to change. > > just for giggles, i'm going to have a go at this and see if i can get it to > work. we can be newbs together. i'll let you know how i get on > > sim > > > ------------------------------ >> From: mark@markfrancombe.com >> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:14:58 +0100 >> Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> OK well I bought it.. and immediatly remember why I dont like it... It >> looks 'orrible! The way the er.. "bidules" float about the screen gettin in >> the way and you are always looking at your cabling mess in the background... >> *sigh*.. design design design... how hard can it be really? Typical program >> designed by a programmer... Oh well.. Ill dive in and try and make >> something... all I need is to know what to expose as the midi ins and outs, >> and Im ready.. better join some kinda bidule forum I spose... more NEWB >> posts... God If coundted the amount of times Ive written into a forum post.. >> Newb here.. Help??? >> >> MArk >> >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Simeon Harris < >> simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> bidule is like audiomulch, in that the "whole thing" is just what you've >> put into the layout. if the layout contains one group, then that's all >> you'll see. >> >> sim >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:49 PM, mark francombe wrote: >> >> Ive just been trying to find out what a Bidule, whatdchamacallit.. >> "group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need or >> the whole damn thing... >> >> >> >> >> -- >> mark francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8384657c7c04987e8fe3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK cool... I wrote a few lines of intention a moment ago,
>midi in f= rom keyboard port
>should "scan" the notes played and play = them in sequence. (first try to get UP working)
>doubling. It needs t= o be possible to add an octave jump per note, so that a single key press wi= ll play two notes... this is just a matter of multiplying the recived notes= by 2 and playing them after the initial sequence.
>midi out to synth

step one... juet get an in and and an out work= ing, with someting in between to check that its works...

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris4= 0@googlemail.com> wrote:
yeah, i really do= n't like the way bidule looks either. in fact, i really don't like = much about it at all, apart from it's atability. it just doesn't lo= ok FUN in the same way that audiomulch does. i couldn't afford audiomul= ch at the time i bought bidule and havn't bothered to change.

just for giggles, i'm going to have a go at this and see if i can g= et it to work. we can be newbs together. i'll let you know how i get on=

sim


From: = mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:14:58 +0100
Subj= ect: Re: low cpu midi appegiator
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


OK well I bought it.. and immediatly remember why I= dont like it... It looks 'orrible! The way the er.. "bidules"= ; float about the screen gettin in the way and you are always looking at yo= ur cabling mess in the background... *sigh*.. design design design... how h= ard can it be really? Typical program designed by a programmer... Oh well..= Ill dive in and try and make something... all I need is to know what to ex= pose as the midi ins and outs, and Im ready.. better join some kinda bidule= forum I spose... more NEWB posts... God If coundted the amount of times Iv= e written into a forum post.. Newb here.. Help???

MArk

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
bidule is like audiomulch, in that the "whole thing" is just what= you've put into the layout. if the layout contains one group, then tha= t's all you'll see.

sim


On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:49 PM, mark francombe <ma= rk@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
=A0Ive just been trying to find out what a Bidule, whatdchamacallit.. "= ;group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need= or the whole damn thing...



--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter= @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
=




--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e8384657c7c04987e8fe3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 20:48:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5C11183499; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1/yNxXawKA5TtiidNrmlGOJxjKJT3lAyBWG0r89+9ZI=; b=o6YqIxQkuCgGVOnuTVroFoKjxM5mT63rBk4+LTQSVSGGury1pZPRJ3P7dwVuZGLUHL NATfVXdQ4Esf8aR22mz9QoXS6eBV66NPNIvJnISg9e6O6H15jXzjB+KPFzrYA00feNO6 wRPdH1RqywshAyTvokkH06S5dbPVXq1Zy9MdE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=kHIXaBy0zSabKWsHimiM5n9vc9ACBTVQHbnctUftiAUvzuqMGM13Xha3Q8p1oNX6ye 0+tvKGCwg+q4H43omWDMy9dRpJ6wb0SFHyLloYeycSmQmY8iJLJcTks6yAA9biONO5AR 6bcton4wuw7ZHEIABjCJsgzA612lCdyogs0fA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:48:20 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd40204a856f204987e9266 Resent-Message-ID: <3hl-2B.A.IM.V0kGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:48:21 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd40204a856f204987e9266 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 o, so i did it and it was pretty easy. hooked up the keyboard via usb to the mac. opened bidule audio interface in the layout keyboard in the layout midi arpeggiator (group) in the layout synth in the layout connect them all up press key arpeggios! --000e0cd40204a856f204987e9266 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
o, so i did it and it was pretty easy. hooked up the keyboard via usb to the mac.

opened bidule

audio interface in the layout
keyboard in the layout
midi arpeggiator (group) in the layout
synth in the layout
connect them all up
press key
arpeggios!
--000e0cd40204a856f204987e9266-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 20:50:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3072818349A; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=p9nRG13MepBQCF1xphFwCKxDMtwCSkjfVQ5x977WDxE=; b=apxrPYtBw9PxT163Cgk9kD+0By+IWXnqXccb3qm/25hK9+qB9shV/wrl2iQQJsHlNT zOz7ER98hr3mjq5WidnaUn9+oDoL2dy2cuOskUEJFPtI1VRIWAwyWc/v5JZ5fmVvKlzG UelHqdXqdtt5iyJnt/5j9ILYQgpwjOlbokdCg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=JYgahUDCrRI7wZzc23F0SdQlP3kRwSpyoLWdoDSThW5LpzFGdmqEiqIYBL5BNzGzMm oEvLdU/5OfhoKiXpcCrfc0MVqOd8MLQgaP/Nub7C6f5qKHFMgb+GMZucOROHjmkq1HkQ ApCglXXR9vABCiSBOecVR4hX9K1zG1ZOV77qc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:50:42 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd402041b98c504987e9bd8 Resent-Message-ID: <-5RloC.A.FT.j2kGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:50:43 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd402041b98c504987e9bd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 swapped out the arpeggiator (group) for the simple unsynced arpeggiator - fun! On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > > o, so i did it and it was pretty easy. hooked up the keyboard via usb to > the mac. > > opened bidule > > audio interface in the layout > keyboard in the layout > midi arpeggiator (group) in the layout > synth in the layout > connect them all up > press key > arpeggios! > --000e0cd402041b98c504987e9bd8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable swapped out the arpeggiator (group) for the simple unsynced arpeggiator - f= un!

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Sime= on Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:

o, so i did i= t and it was pretty easy. hooked up the keyboard via usb to the mac.
opened bidule

audio interface in the layout
keyboard in the layou= t
midi arpeggiator (group) in the layout
synth in the layout
connect them all up
press key
arpeggios!

--000e0cd402041b98c504987e9bd8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 20:53:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 103BD1834AE; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=0MydlNEGi4WKc1cdnzO/1g5mGNOjqJyuU45LAsCrbLg=; b=MZ+TLRNaAK7u6v4aPkfF+8Tatr0isb7y+CMbyXjN2zMOlWR0WmKfbMq3ashcD4aJMJ ouxPymj4zvzByl4BI7MOOU7g4srH/wsvhAVUSuPRZpvZiM093PcSQFu7Czxqlp7GB8gZ FfA+YPcgeW/ExlNkTAgchKxI0dRUjDOQ6WAsA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=tP6tV0bB9puFQLYGl6dh7WcWMHar7uR38MMhOfYSebOU/TMLt2iGyHJl29d6L+/DRz QvKMU26QfseBmQWcYmkj9b8MfY10REJreh+OkuxDK2hdxVnGVdIkQOFb5z6iCTOawlgY IWUNV+PLbHENHbzlOEg2afl0T5jdagI0MrZj0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:53:03 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dG9deCYhsEZgVVI7kxLFS3cTylg Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549f03b3e5c904987ea401 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:53:24 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30549f03b3e5c904987ea401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 let me check this a sec.. On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > swapped out the arpeggiator (group) for the simple unsynced arpeggiator - > fun! > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Simeon Harris < > simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >> o, so i did it and it was pretty easy. hooked up the keyboard via usb to >> the mac. >> >> opened bidule >> >> audio interface in the layout >> keyboard in the layout >> midi arpeggiator (group) in the layout >> synth in the layout >> connect them all up >> press key >> arpeggios! >> > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --20cf30549f03b3e5c904987ea401 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 let me check this a sec..

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
swapped out the arpeggiator (group) for the simple unsynced arpeggiator - fun!


On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:

o, so i did it and it was pretty easy. hooked up the keyboard via usb to the mac.

opened bidule

audio interface in the layout
keyboard in the layout
midi arpeggiator (group) in the layout
synth in the layout
connect them all up
press key
arpeggios!




--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--20cf30549f03b3e5c904987ea401-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 21:11:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD97418348B; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vZ3dp6diKFewsJLM662Hp2tPhpOlbUvhNYZkAPq3PCQ=; b=TXRrkwdWSqCJogq9CispM3CDjKxrSlR2TusUcA+y/7f4HutjM+aDaDg6chTH6+4Z2m KTCBmDgkQp0htXeXeLRnroVgviXes4swEwWKmiL36p5eA0og1rqW6WjmL61wQq/1CYoZ U9sOAfh7sFb1GzJrd5C8sVExOPxKKNyVH7s88= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=IOE31PXA4qjLwtPGv8A7tsSiOzh5iTkW4SqINu/JFfcNm5f/jR1Eyj2hI2T7eVXGuA W9c7d+5ZvPs6lN7XwflnBmoxuVKAxfrYTsboOSa4pMIudqhGo7G5l+Xb6EOpZnX4imdb E6xjHPNAwLj/aNJA0QFJncOomKzLAfaSoO1o4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:11:47 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd30afe8598c304987ee6c5 Resent-Message-ID: <8iJt-D.A.GGB.UKlGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:11:48 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd30afe8598c304987ee6c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yeah, it's the first one of the three available arpeggiators that you'll want. it can still be synced to clock if you so desire. any joy? feel free to contact me off list if you want - simeonATsimeonharrisDOTcoDOTuk s On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:53 PM, mark francombe wrote: > let me check this a sec.. > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Simeon Harris < > simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> swapped out the arpeggiator (group) for the simple unsynced arpeggiator - >> fun! >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Simeon Harris < >> simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> o, so i did it and it was pretty easy. hooked up the keyboard via usb to >>> the mac. >>> >>> opened bidule >>> >>> audio interface in the layout >>> keyboard in the layout >>> midi arpeggiator (group) in the layout >>> synth in the layout >>> connect them all up >>> press key >>> arpeggios! >>> >> >> > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > --000e0cd30afe8598c304987ee6c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah, it's the first one of the three available arpeggiators that you&#= 39;ll want. it can still be synced to clock if you so desire.

any jo= y?

feel free to contact me off list if you want - simeonATsimeonharr= isDOTcoDOTuk

s



On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:5= 3 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
let me check this a sec..

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
swapped out the a= rpeggiator (group) for the simple unsynced arpeggiator - fun!


On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Si= meon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrot= e:

o, so i did i= t and it was pretty easy. hooked up the keyboard via usb to the mac.
opened bidule

audio interface in the layout
keyboard in the layou= t
midi arpeggiator (group) in the layout
synth in the layout
connect them all up
press key
arpeggios!




<= div>
--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/= user825094
http://= www.looop.no

--000e0cd30afe8598c304987ee6c5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 21:34:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21AD3183496; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4pQT6caEs3rbBrohLdsx599KIGEB36p7ZyroqGCxKRk=; b=uoglsO2alByjZ9c+dEIH75Oq0IYJxlr79KY2qmQbJDjL8UQqda+PoJ63B/I5/lHbaf H3YZiJom4ZqQdQwRJAZ9HhSRTztYbROZlt9Aoy2ij5P3CuFoGlDiBwFf168W4fqdU7s8 ZsunvpMlBQOop/oQLeT5xvxKANizV/58vvb+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ameNizzzCM6ZC3sNHmwyWXL22s+u8pGWID1KWJH8fpAvX8XtGh+kQFkyzHJAQb86xE dzfR/b5a+h8R4YKmWAlKLqVez4czhVQiRb5zVtcHBeQ/WBWllAK9o82UOhq1SJ4fxHxr 7nQl1YMyF0hWop8zNa2tpLO4hVeu5SE8DvWKE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:34:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:34:01 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:49 PM, mark francombe wrote: > "group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need or > the whole damn thing... > I bet you'll find it ultimately ugly. Don't count on using Bidule for on-screen feedback of your processing ;-)) You'd better keep some MIDI faders/buttons/pedals etc around. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 21:51:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2E001834A8; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=W/N544qOMMsiS3qeDa5e1vY9BOzxpbWxI/B6KEAQUYY=; b=U1jv3ysfRb/nVxWidJ4f9H4PLiISUR4BI+Jhy8E4hl8bbWPNM+HUHWmXtTLCvVBZjy xgFvfbqelTOTF9vZBq3Yv3+DarliWEmYWfLRPTazlSNcoNbmEDQRoyRYvy17+LtZTrrW ebTsBOPDlN1ZKnt4YMBn0ZoLZJHmLw0u4s1DM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=pShIaNW9YqoFQC+2clxCkbiSsFQFPGW4dYO58Hy0r75Dm6RpRATOGnTjcEcsu3/IWX g43yFHRCB4PWDi8tBQi6KQ3KNdCpLYTe1bQ8kD95Jp0umle62js/7wlYiemzOwy0O7xv axLsPmy6FPHr5oe/NBulua6vMtfSIo9ZwBqX4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:50:50 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: esSd_RwdcHyTiIsxsfZ10OyGVKI Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e83845804c204987f7308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:51:11 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e83845804c204987f7308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You are right Per, I just tried Bidule IN Mulch.. it works, but is a mess, first it opens the patcher window, THEN you have to double click a bidule to see the controls, then you cant really close the patcher window... I found a buggy workaround (stick it off screen)... Better to see if one can design your bidule group so that the first controls that show up in Mulch are the one you wanna use... In the mixer bidle alone I found 512 open controls.. which is obviosly due to the fact that as Bidule is "open" for edditting even when its IN Mulch all 512 possible contols are exposed in Mulch.. STUPIDO! but if thats how it is... The arpegiators that are in Bidule are NOT arpegiators... but by breaking them apart I may be able to fashion a cunning device that can foretell the future and give me the winning numbers for next weeks lottery... if so, Ill fly to Austrailia and Pay the motherfucker who makes Mulch to make a nice arp... see ya suckers... Why oh WHY doesnt that Synthedit guy making a Mac version.. this guy, cos of his horrible designed website is a big fat loser...will never sell any copys of his program cos of that... QUOTE form website; Hi, I'm Jeff McClintock. I created SynthEdit in 1987 and am still improving it today. /QUOTE What...? did you say 1987??? He doesnt know what a goldmine he is sat on.. I mean it... that prog ROCKS!!! Why is it overlooked...? Mark On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:49 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > "group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need or > > the whole damn thing... > > > > I bet you'll find it ultimately ugly. Don't count on using Bidule for > on-screen feedback of your processing ;-)) You'd better keep some > MIDI faders/buttons/pedals etc around. > > Per > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e83845804c204987f7308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are right Per,
I just tried Bidule IN Mulch.. it works, but is a me= ss, first it opens the patcher window, THEN you have to double click a bidu= le to see the controls, then you cant really close the patcher window... I = found a buggy workaround (stick it off screen)... Better to see if one can = design your bidule group so that the first controls that show up in Mulch a= re the one you wanna use... In the mixer bidle alone I found 512 open contr= ols.. which is obviosly due to the fact that as Bidule is "open" = for edditting even when its IN Mulch all 512 possible contols are exposed i= n Mulch.. STUPIDO! but if thats how it is...

The arpegiators that are in Bidule are NOT arpegiators... but by breaki= ng them apart I may be able to fashion a cunning device that can foretell t= he future and give me the winning numbers for next weeks lottery... if so, = Ill fly to Austrailia and Pay the motherfucker who makes Mulch to make a ni= ce arp... see ya suckers...

Why oh WHY doesnt that Synthedit guy making a Mac version.. this guy, c= os of his horrible designed website is a big fat loser...will never sell an= y copys of his program cos of that...

QUOTE form website;
Hi, I&#= 39;m Jeff McClintock. I created SynthEdit in=20 1987 and am still improving it today.
/QUOTE
What...? did= you say 1987???

He doesnt know what a goldmine he is sat on.. I me= an it... that prog ROCKS!!! Why is it overlooked...?

Mark


On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Per Boysen= <perboysen@gma= il.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:49 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:<= br> > "group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the contr= ols I need or
> the whole damn thing...
>

I bet you'll find it ultimately ugly. Don't count on using Bi= dule for
on-screen feedback of your processing ;-)) =A0You'd better keep some MIDI faders/buttons/pedals etc around.

Per




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--90e6ba6e83845804c204987f7308-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 21:56:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDF631834B4; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vT0GJTIbK0J04Rvu/AnIASoJomMBUd4WFGSfiWJm4gY=; b=FMjVXS1hii5BXDr9qCh1pIS+V4zyugNcKCUP5BULDdMGNROcrWMrVoM1droPaW76SF P1PfGFGWFDtvjgZGFXqVjnp7MHaid/zN0OSNVgLsDtNdnhXfYW2VWPxahsHacv+gxyqM HaqFE0QrEU9fjjwD32N+QzqJFGXgffOCTRqns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=CEtw06FmOvPAmkd8cqSFAWw/P6QfMS0+n3/P+Ubf7kUMdRmfVft2qiRAy2vj3pzY3k Dh3D/P23zpDXrqQyFgWf5q7ZnSVUjpj1PW+rz3W3yLjjWg9M1zmJ32mDRT0Jg2AASykQ +lXuafCNAb5x4AoK811+1LsZ/BONt9SqKxz04= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:56:52 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd30a84c3d45204987f87b9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:56:54 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd30a84c3d45204987f87b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 for some reason, you're missing the proper arpeggiator...dunno why it isn't showing up in your list. it's not a group, it only consists of a single bidule that can't be expanded. it has about 8 parameters and it's a "proper" arpeggiator, with octave ranges and pattern choosers and all that jazz On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:50 PM, mark francombe wrote: > You are right Per, > I just tried Bidule IN Mulch.. it works, but is a mess, first it opens the > patcher window, THEN you have to double click a bidule to see the controls, > then you cant really close the patcher window... I found a buggy workaround > (stick it off screen)... Better to see if one can design your bidule group > so that the first controls that show up in Mulch are the one you wanna > use... In the mixer bidle alone I found 512 open controls.. which is > obviosly due to the fact that as Bidule is "open" for edditting even when > its IN Mulch all 512 possible contols are exposed in Mulch.. STUPIDO! but if > thats how it is... > > The arpegiators that are in Bidule are NOT arpegiators... but by breaking > them apart I may be able to fashion a cunning device that can foretell the > future and give me the winning numbers for next weeks lottery... if so, Ill > fly to Austrailia and Pay the motherfucker who makes Mulch to make a nice > arp... see ya suckers... > > Why oh WHY doesnt that Synthedit guy making a Mac version.. this guy, cos > of his horrible designed website is a big fat loser...will never sell any > copys of his program cos of that... > > QUOTE form website; > Hi, I'm Jeff McClintock. I created SynthEdit in 1987 and am still improving > it today. > /QUOTE > What...? did you say 1987??? > > He doesnt know what a goldmine he is sat on.. I mean it... that prog > ROCKS!!! Why is it overlooked...? > > Mark > > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:49 PM, mark francombe >> wrote: >> > "group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need >> or >> > the whole damn thing... >> > >> >> I bet you'll find it ultimately ugly. Don't count on using Bidule for >> on-screen feedback of your processing ;-)) You'd better keep some >> MIDI faders/buttons/pedals etc around. >> >> Per >> >> > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > --000e0cd30a84c3d45204987f87b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for some reason, you're missing the proper arpeggiator...dunno why it i= sn't showing up in your list. it's not a group, it only consists of= a single bidule that can't be expanded. it has about 8 parameters and = it's a "proper" arpeggiator, with octave ranges and pattern c= hoosers and all that jazz

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:50 PM, mark franco= mbe <mark@ma= rkfrancombe.com> wrote:
You are right Per,
I just tried Bidule IN Mulch.. it works, but is a me= ss, first it opens the patcher window, THEN you have to double click a bidu= le to see the controls, then you cant really close the patcher window... I = found a buggy workaround (stick it off screen)... Better to see if one can = design your bidule group so that the first controls that show up in Mulch a= re the one you wanna use... In the mixer bidle alone I found 512 open contr= ols.. which is obviosly due to the fact that as Bidule is "open" = for edditting even when its IN Mulch all 512 possible contols are exposed i= n Mulch.. STUPIDO! but if thats how it is...

The arpegiators that are in Bidule are NOT arpegiators... but by breaki= ng them apart I may be able to fashion a cunning device that can foretell t= he future and give me the winning numbers for next weeks lottery... if so, = Ill fly to Austrailia and Pay the motherfucker who makes Mulch to make a ni= ce arp... see ya suckers...

Why oh WHY doesnt that Synthedit guy making a Mac version.. this guy, c= os of his horrible designed website is a big fat loser...will never sell an= y copys of his program cos of that...

QUOTE form website;
Hi, I&#= 39;m Jeff McClintock. I created SynthEdit in=20 1987 and am still improving it today.
/QUOTE
What...? did= you say 1987???

He doesnt know what a goldmine he is sat on.. I me= an it... that prog ROCKS!!! Why is it overlooked...?

Mark



On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Per Boysen= <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:49 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wr= ote:
> "group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the contr= ols I need or
> the whole damn thing...
>

I bet you'll find it ultimately ugly. Don't count on using Bi= dule for
on-screen feedback of your processing ;-)) =A0You'd better keep some MIDI faders/buttons/pedals etc around.

Per





--000e0cd30a84c3d45204987f87b9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 21:58:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51A801834C2; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SKivaR0Uqy18XIicE0V8NgsO2b6P3fJuJiI8aWSPlgM=; b=eLTCprSmTn8Pa6b2+6ty98Tm5SGIoXYrkgUoqDOCVr69l2XJLkGgzVuWHQAnhfiuyb 5h8ZPmKoIzQAjlXWC0dMSKOIT5O0tLw7AsnDmCOO//5QjknvPRslbj+5lbxWQ+M2SEI7 YJq48fU7fKmp/MmGxCJ7uqwUR05eLPNRXcxcg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=PIqJRMzXm+FVLgmhlfYgzfQmZJPfEJduUq8xJFAL33WZL8fniAT5SF6GzW6vxE02/N +reUg1pLGH1em8pKpDvaoQLTXuRVQNsPWwBojYchzd3+x8OFV3Q9F8n0W+6Fm77cNDLT W1FTkmxoPdOodB5S/ax2+/F3FBz2vOIuW87wY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:58:37 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3ed24fce37504987f8dd7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:58:38 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd3ed24fce37504987f8dd7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 you don't actually need to see it, do you? once you've got it set up and have found a way to turn it on and off and maybe select some different patterns, then you shouldn't actually need to open it up, no? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > for some reason, you're missing the proper arpeggiator...dunno why it isn't > showing up in your list. it's not a group, it only consists of a single > bidule that can't be expanded. it has about 8 parameters and it's a "proper" > arpeggiator, with octave ranges and pattern choosers and all that jazz > > --000e0cd3ed24fce37504987f8dd7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you don't actually need to see it, do you? once you've got it set u= p and have found a way to turn it on and off and maybe select some differen= t patterns, then you shouldn't actually need to open it up, no?

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Simeon Harris <= span dir=3D"ltr"><simeo= nharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
for some reason, you're missing the proper arpeggiator...dunno why it i= sn't showing up in your list. it's not a group, it only consists of= a single bidule that can't be expanded. it has about 8 parameters and = it's a "proper" arpeggiator, with octave ranges and pattern c= hoosers and all that jazz

--000e0cd3ed24fce37504987f8dd7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 22:00:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67A341834C5; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=cgp/VfIWSvpmI2DvwGsRdwZGZvNbORfK2AqfDVQtix0=; b=SmgDgA1WfJscozeqG7Da249ZSssnPD1PWVgEuLpvEd8zw/cLk6M9cL+WJvH/mUmd1m Ecwu24UxD3oeYK9v0klQ3hicd+HWvzR95HlD8q1pOf62BwztL8Do0yaa6WKNWhM/HYId fsPefmYQ2M4ohRhAoHj6j9qtEq3QNAn+5mry8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=ukXkYo3+5A7I0OmRxYtNvu83Wat1tX881J96/LEza+eh1zLSg0hypo/qb2I0z+XbE+ nKprKiHwq1EqwvNmhr7qCNjmpKSzTpMIBvhpDLIpSO41UwaThjdRvJEwRj7RaHE1cn8u NLF7W4j0/dcHWZCYtNJpoWxuJjsnR0uoFbuYg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:59:41 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: RWMfWPndWFlDHLz0aaMm5jeZcbw Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8a4c18620f04987f932c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:00:05 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8a4c18620f04987f932c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Really?? OK Im searchin now...!! Which section is it in? mark On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > for some reason, you're missing the proper arpeggiator...dunno why it isn't > showing up in your list. it's not a group, it only consists of a single > bidule that can't be expanded. it has about 8 parameters and it's a "proper" > arpeggiator, with octave ranges and pattern choosers and all that jazz > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:50 PM, mark francombe wrote: > >> You are right Per, >> I just tried Bidule IN Mulch.. it works, but is a mess, first it opens the >> patcher window, THEN you have to double click a bidule to see the controls, >> then you cant really close the patcher window... I found a buggy workaround >> (stick it off screen)... Better to see if one can design your bidule group >> so that the first controls that show up in Mulch are the one you wanna >> use... In the mixer bidle alone I found 512 open controls.. which is >> obviosly due to the fact that as Bidule is "open" for edditting even when >> its IN Mulch all 512 possible contols are exposed in Mulch.. STUPIDO! but if >> thats how it is... >> >> The arpegiators that are in Bidule are NOT arpegiators... but by breaking >> them apart I may be able to fashion a cunning device that can foretell the >> future and give me the winning numbers for next weeks lottery... if so, Ill >> fly to Austrailia and Pay the motherfucker who makes Mulch to make a nice >> arp... see ya suckers... >> >> Why oh WHY doesnt that Synthedit guy making a Mac version.. this guy, cos >> of his horrible designed website is a big fat loser...will never sell any >> copys of his program cos of that... >> >> QUOTE form website; >> Hi, I'm Jeff McClintock. I created SynthEdit in 1987 and am still >> improving it today. >> /QUOTE >> What...? did you say 1987??? >> >> He doesnt know what a goldmine he is sat on.. I mean it... that prog >> ROCKS!!! Why is it overlooked...? >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:49 PM, mark francombe >>> wrote: >>> > "group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the controls I need >>> or >>> > the whole damn thing... >>> > >>> >>> I bet you'll find it ultimately ugly. Don't count on using Bidule for >>> on-screen feedback of your processing ;-)) You'd better keep some >>> MIDI faders/buttons/pedals etc around. >>> >>> Per >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mark francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8a4c18620f04987f932c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really?? OK Im searchin now...!! Which section is it in?
mark

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonh= arris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
for some reason, = you're missing the proper arpeggiator...dunno why it isn't showing = up in your list. it's not a group, it only consists of a single bidule = that can't be expanded. it has about 8 parameters and it's a "= proper" arpeggiator, with octave ranges and pattern choosers and all t= hat jazz


On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:50 PM, mark franco= mbe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
You are right Per,
I just tried Bidule IN Mulch.. it works, but is a me= ss, first it opens the patcher window, THEN you have to double click a bidu= le to see the controls, then you cant really close the patcher window... I = found a buggy workaround (stick it off screen)... Better to see if one can = design your bidule group so that the first controls that show up in Mulch a= re the one you wanna use... In the mixer bidle alone I found 512 open contr= ols.. which is obviosly due to the fact that as Bidule is "open" = for edditting even when its IN Mulch all 512 possible contols are exposed i= n Mulch.. STUPIDO! but if thats how it is...

The arpegiators that are in Bidule are NOT arpegiators... but by breaki= ng them apart I may be able to fashion a cunning device that can foretell t= he future and give me the winning numbers for next weeks lottery... if so, = Ill fly to Austrailia and Pay the motherfucker who makes Mulch to make a ni= ce arp... see ya suckers...

Why oh WHY doesnt that Synthedit guy making a Mac version.. this guy, c= os of his horrible designed website is a big fat loser...will never sell an= y copys of his program cos of that...

QUOTE form website;
Hi, I&#= 39;m Jeff McClintock. I created SynthEdit in=20 1987 and am still improving it today.
/QUOTE
What...? did= you say 1987???

He doesnt know what a goldmine he is sat on.. I me= an it... that prog ROCKS!!! Why is it overlooked...?

Mark



On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Per Boysen= <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:49 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wr= ote:
> "group?" what that will look like in Mulch... just the contr= ols I need or
> the whole damn thing...
>

I bet you'll find it ultimately ugly. Don't count on using Bi= dule for
on-screen feedback of your processing ;-)) =A0You'd better keep some MIDI faders/buttons/pedals etc around.

Per








--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--90e6ba6e8a4c18620f04987f932c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 22:02:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBCAD1834B0; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XpMhp5OOhvh+kMSduznkDSA2XsGq577qwXSKpFohKlQ=; b=l+Q02cnRngXy7tCfduth9FyphwfdS/0XDeGO//9R2v+HvFVNig3/h9GPwVQisphzN/ uT+e/IxwmZGI1GQgOGV7a8GdDZhXtt7OSVyioqcS2zL0NRuLDgpxG71IelIHlpZOmphS wjV+Z9PKkhlakWziggW2a5njmXKUU8KRgshY4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=f1mkOceiImYpdqJfLEyE6/hSu57jyAb38Bm0tO44TRt9ZnM3pq2OHx0kNFXuTYKjE4 7q48CknXdnyHdJRHh8I6QAZVu4UmvCC77FBTPkBoLHJk7cFSoMxrauIQLDyWdJworxsb ORtax0XjUnp1hONF6mdNvHZMa2jBZMK275inM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:02:12 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd40204ce3bb804987f9a7b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:02:13 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd40204ce3bb804987f9a7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 midi third one down above the other two! you may need to go edit>update plugins and groups, perhaps On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:59 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Really?? OK Im searchin now...!! Which section is it in? > mark > > > --000e0cd40204ce3bb804987f9a7b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable midi

third one down

above the other two!

you may need = to go edit>update plugins and groups, perhaps



On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:59 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.c= om> wrote:
Really?? OK Im se= archin now...!! Which section is it in?
mark


--000e0cd40204ce3bb804987f9a7b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 22:04:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A99FC1834B1; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=JVmujVvCcJClPzGH7x1/hihBpD8O3ctsYgtulyB2sxM=; b=jGbRNdcXUlx3NAes4PNPQpsJ6QVbKd4geknKiHFsPEPTtWS54PzfselXqyI7Q164ma cG+aYZSJPpGPytYNmk4IQB1f/NvjQSaxq7oGOHeGrAF+E/9SEMbnrPJUAFwT7V/Ncjrz 7jWpSsuEcPbMjzwBRU3Tms78ghjqTOhnc8elY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=XDcYi06FDBu+3222C07QE8kNPj+2b5tSv+DWw8lJDmy5CrtvZrkf1Tbt+CvHIvd4cl Y+jPUM7JVxWkKGrr6MunchSUzA3P0uolHm59DT6KqA8GQlMZ2m0BsoG5sZ+ks/IioglP LAiaNwlL+g1hLBsZOxTLPFLkE+XfrBgoAo98o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:04:22 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: sNAwxeW_wokb4KkePqaf3FvbX2U Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8816bd8ae204987fa3f7 Resent-Message-ID: <6UCfxD.A.8GD.67lGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:04:43 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8816bd8ae204987fa3f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK got it, its in the NEW SHINY VST and AU versions I just downloaded, but not in the grimy old standalone version... version... off to download latest .. what a dick.. looks good... Tryng in Audio Mulch now... Thanks!! Mark On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > midi > > third one down > > above the other two! > > you may need to go edit>update plugins and groups, perhaps > > > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:59 PM, mark francombe wrote: > >> Really?? OK Im searchin now...!! Which section is it in? >> mark >> >> >> -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --90e6ba6e8816bd8ae204987fa3f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK got it, its in the NEW SHINY VST and AU versions I just downloaded, but = not in the grimy old standalone version... version... off to download lates= t .. what a dick.. looks good...

Tryng in Audio Mulch now...

Thanks!!

Mark

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010= at 11:02 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:=
midi

third= one down

above the other two!

you may need to go edit>upd= ate plugins and groups, perhaps




On = Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:59 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com= > wrote:
Really?? OK Im se= archin now...!! Which section is it in?
mark





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--90e6ba6e8816bd8ae204987fa3f7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 22:06:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 207EC183499; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=C15MgtaAfV64E3m0AOCOlExPNyj5YSM4wkwUV6b04uc=; b=hHJIGL8vvWwdnEDhE7eXdHfhTVW5j3j0DnYD6B3hCpz6zogKigmpgNZ0M+UWy/1LK5 7hcTAEGFdIEzXYpZ98PdW0UrwYNSevfMK+M+PK1rj/wAhQo2lTqBXF9r7kqLAi4/j6Dn LtGB/19K0GTecyRxCZ7HHPfyo9UcbnuvTsA1E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=Z79OZxKl9apxgCWYq+lTc3VAGSiqmijIksE6796Yjn4fGNua84ykzAXh9pTXYx3pMD nz2or0PHHGEjAaYvyQV9GNNlvPoM+kAlEGWVID3QOW8taVxrqCagMPIrjm8dA8I4B2lK yJADDjSHppfykhAZxlUgTM4In0I7tX+//oBwE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:06:07 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3ed24d47e1904987fa8d1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:06:08 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd3ed24d47e1904987fa8d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 the one i'm referring to is the new "built in" one. you got the latest version? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > midi > > third one down > > above the other two! > > you may need to go edit>update plugins and groups, perhaps > > > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:59 PM, mark francombe wrote: > >> Really?? OK Im searchin now...!! Which section is it in? >> mark >> >> >> --000e0cd3ed24d47e1904987fa8d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the one i'm referring to is the new "built in" one. you got t= he latest version?

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 a= t 10:02 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
midi

third= one down

above the other two!

you may need to go edit>upd= ate plugins and groups, perhaps




On = Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:59 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com= > wrote:
Really?? OK Im se= archin now...!! Which section is it in?
mark



--000e0cd3ed24d47e1904987fa8d1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 22:10:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 908951834B0; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tc3Lhq8e3XPxJW8YkDF7/BMPO5Ghp1mPyysqVTB++Fc=; b=Ae3k+xAboX2iOFllCh3rh18attZFe7Kn5Ok1n7kZC7N7Fhf0LWlmU4XR2EBmWpWL7v 2SgaLP1Gy5Z4AIsBswKGYyO6dWV3BPlHsWVeEcD592qyh1PJCu305cIrupdX/tmx9KhY +o5LVeTnL+Hwt7LOdxv7DXziB5rTDoqf3+AeE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=wRNTQeU3R+4qfURRv2YpbkaxlOXt06XxvkvBJ+r27BJoL0OGSWkKn8y6daYa61ZrU0 dr9gpJqlHxQgASTkDqbqCpgDmqGECQqp/pZIZ3RahlRUe4f02r81p2oKwpyk84ncZDCd gEbiK3ek+thlS9yrv+HqnSFoMjGSZ+ieHptUo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:10:19 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c14f6d965c004987fb748 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:10:20 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c14f6d965c004987fb748 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 it's in version 0.97 and later of the standalone, you muppet On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:04 PM, mark francombe wrote: > OK got it, its in the NEW SHINY VST and AU versions I just downloaded, but > not in the grimy old standalone version... version... off to download latest > .. what a dick.. looks good... > > Tryng in Audio Mulch now... > > Thanks!! > > Mark > > --0015174c14f6d965c004987fb748 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it's in version 0.97 and later of the standalone, you muppet

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:04 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfran= combe.com> wrote:
OK got it, its in= the NEW SHINY VST and AU versions I just downloaded, but not in the grimy = old standalone version... version... off to download latest .. what a dick.= . looks good...

Tryng in Audio Mulch now...

Thanks!!

Mark

--0015174c14f6d965c004987fb748-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 22:14:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59DFD1834BE; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f4955a50-3596-4f05-94ef-afa6a31c537f_" X-Originating-IP: [81.132.96.226] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: low cpu midi appegiator Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:14:21 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid>,,,,,,,,<0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> , ,,,,,, , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2010 22:14:21.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[93DAB130:01CBA6DC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:14:23 +0000 (UTC) --_f4955a50-3596-4f05-94ef-afa6a31c537f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hehe. I thought you'd have cracked it by now. To be fair=2C it's a it's mor= e complex than it used to be. Sorry to resurrect the ghosts of past frustrations =3B-) Peace G From: mark@markfrancombe.com Date: Tue=2C 28 Dec 2010 21:42:04 +0100 Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com PLEASE! Not Live... I struggled with Live before YK2X... not for me.. great= in some ways.. but not for me...I just want to make what I need and have i= t visible=2C nothing else... thats not to say I wont use Live for other use= s=2C but right here=2C Im building my improv environment... Its all functio= ning pefectly in AM=2C just that I want to be able to arpegiate ANY synth s= ound or sample=2C not just the ones contained within patches... so.. a midi= arpegiator.. !! On Tue=2C Dec 28=2C 2010 at 9:25 PM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote: What about the arpeggiator in Ableton live=2C Mark? --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no = --_f4955a50-3596-4f05-94ef-afa6a31c537f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hehe. I thought you'd have cracked it by now. To be fair=2C it's a it's mor= e complex than it used to be.
Sorry to resurrect the ghosts of past frus= trations =3B-)

Peace

G

From: m= ark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Tue=2C 28 Dec 2010 21:42:04 +0100
Subject= : Re: low cpu midi appegiator
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
PLEASE! Not Live... I struggled with Live before YK2X... not for me.. = great in some ways.. but not for me...I just want to make what I need and h= ave it visible=2C nothing else... thats not to say I wont use Live for othe= r uses=2C but right here=2C Im building my improv environment... Its all fu= nctioning pefectly in AM=2C just that I want to be able to arpegiate ANY sy= nth sound or sample=2C not just the ones contained within patches... so.. a= midi arpegiator.. !!

On Tue=2C Dec 28=2C 2010 at 9:25 PM=2C Ga= reth Whittock <=3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.uk>=3B wrote:
What about the arpeggiator in Ableton live=2C Mark?


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mark francombe
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www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
= --_f4955a50-3596-4f05-94ef-afa6a31c537f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 22:39:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A6561834D0; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GUeESAJxLEELaQmOWGKfvY0iovCJCEKD7k5LF9eExPc=; b=Z2QnwFlNrYyFgos81FLe+me/A6MMr3UWLZyMV3Ys9Uov3/9FENstrKlOO+Z3k2zIhe vqxv7g+9n4upfADwpjrKTN7G4R5ra2GG1hA2NiJHNSnMYNDBD1zLxjDKrNUIjxzrPlOo Bx3Ji/6/7uE+SyrdoDggGhP20jjf5dweKetjE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ab+57/uGcTBOE/8Xel27OHAY/khCBz2XfBOHCRrAP+rpT36LjENiNX0zNrs4fa+xpj V6qPpCyCftsDtsPEgndFjRF3I+KQtHGefPDEJLD0He1EczveCrHDtAiYV+4ikfTADxP6 y5zMQQnNzfNVwRb8Vnw02XbMzHS4Ek74PGnQM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <240EA823-F746-4BDA-9102-821765B79CBC@googlemail.com> <-6764800028453888708@unknownmsgid> <0DE42A10-66A6-4E72-A860-3CA652E43CBE@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:39:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <54uVJC.A.0ZE.5cmGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:39:53 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:04 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Tryng in Audio Mulch now... Looking forward to hearing about your experience with this! I think you should set up like: 1. Open the Bidule AU plugin on a MIDI instrument track in an Instrument slot. 2. Inside the AU you open an Arpeggiator. 3. Cable the MIDI Out tag of "Bidule Plugin 1) to the ARp. 4. Cable tie Arp's MIDI Out tag to either a physical MIDI out port on your system (if you want to run an external MIDI rack device off the arp) or cable the arp MIDI into some virtual instrument that you open inside the Bidule AU. 5. Still inside the Bidule AU plugin: Cable the softsynth's audio output to the audio input tag (two for stereo) of Bidule Plugin 1. 6. Right-click on the ARpeggiator plugin and chose "Sync to Bidule Plugin 1" (the very same plugin you are working inside). With that sync setup it doesn't matter, for the arpeggiator, if you are syncing Audio Mulch to the Mobius looper or if you are running Audio Much as the sync master. Arpeggios will sync fine anyway. 7. If using a softsynth to play the audio of the ARP inside the Bidule AU, right-click and set it to sync like you just set up the ARP sync. Arp's are so cool.... maybe I should try to find me a Roland GK pickup? If using it to drive arpeggiators the slow triggering of low pitched notes is not an issue. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 22:40:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58F4B1834DD; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=o7q277vIYAO9ayeeKMrV9C+hZr+bAcIgS1NB+7BTIh4=; b=twgaLlPeMuR0CNUuyJUox/fg/hkv4pGEWHwBZgUldmo5dtr0tJRR5lBc+s4+HuoCoX GcJu9rnTPF9MxH6jJLM3ss1q6yygsnykOoxiREetl4mZLxLqiJOEs0+q/Y7iOkmPfgLT sZdWrAG11/ZkzEVyYTWkkdXyUt/lcnTXAUM7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=w8Rp6lU7E+M3IXjGLbx04Axsejz8vwHg9m3InzPxcCgJ5+ySnKDmHGayZY+bVw/pLG IZXV2lGKRG4zqYTaZaqDKRw0AoBEaHrLaYnSgP++vkF9xO642SJ5pDRzqLhQx+aQN/mg XIEeBXQBtBcW7TDZWdGN8wDsLet0lnPvuru3I= Message-ID: <4D1A6747.3000706@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:40:07 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Simeon Harris schrieb: > it's in version 0.97 and later of the standalone, you muppet Ah great. Finally, the twitter form factor has taken over LD. -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 23:10:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1256F1834E3; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=J1+AUoS6AkpRWyP2fec8Gm6RrGDb+/v6DsrIjKQz41Y=; b=cD5ljYEZUq2Cb5PFLewYivUrFOYKWAmppxXKBU9yFb5pajyE17N/dJRLE/8BpzdjY+ 0jsgy832V3OH4yxQfj5uVaJvGdzLPU1+hW3H7jCaq/hllcyDKBFbEukgmxIENsSXFgpW 5Z4z5H9d/O/OWOAkBE4ghotQTrLePtWIyISS8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qIdnJhFbB4R1FiCJ2fq/eQkgM+C+6r21GILvmwqJQJ21pEw534+pBxZ65MH9dIzlpG AMwI6WJFNwv5V//klqfkZwtMdkMhP0kv1QLzS4q6/O/tWJH5f6jUcwqb6aBX1Drxk2ld GI7hUaWkSHcVWjXWJkK6Zk05vSD/wNXHiqouo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D1A6747.3000706@googlemail.com> References: <4D1A6747.3000706@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:10:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Errr...yes bidule is "ugly" but...if you click on "Palette" you can use the "Find Next" to pretty much search your way thru whatever you're looking to use. And having said that, scour the bidule forums because folks are writing new groups and bidules all the time, some of which you might just find useful. AudioMulch is certainly "prettier" but it also costs quite a bit more money than bidule (I seem to remember cost being mentioned earlier). Simeon presented some pretty straight-forward directions, as did Per, tho' I have to wonder what the CPU stress would be of running bidule as a plugin INSIDE AudioMulch and having it do much heavy lifting... Still, it sounds like you've got plenty to work with to find a solution! http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Simeon Harris schrieb: >> >> it's in version 0.97 and later of the standalone, you muppet > > Ah great. Finally, the twitter form factor has taken over LD. > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 23:23:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC741183479; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HslbVN/bpt9E/lEVqayqkMEyt3+BgdquFqUdDNQ3ts0=; b=MyUyMwHlTGGsUsYa2RQcrLznkYmUEGiuiSo7SwJtJmRF/Q1SJaX/Tq1OUyZz8yjVvS vlQe7QUAWPcBRoOcWSJgo3SUcGESIq4GlN0+t+df9fdrCRkLzrcAjfPjy3PdsqhLu5Bb Xk/nZAkhMJvw2/Dx1rv25CiezEDjbk1CLAh1E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=cgOqx4E+hDhlhNoBSm82bno+dHkdGavRerzvJkCoT9n3qDdUz1PaCh8QTYp4L+U5Eh F/RlJnPkxyCLG+JNIPtcjpiMyqV2ZSW33svZS+MiP7pL4ybr6jUW0ZodcXU6ATGju5sJ oO4/tkAnHJYw7kQyllCWMx4E7WTQ/fAGtg0YI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <4D1A6747.3000706@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:23:07 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd4020437aa22049880bc6d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:23:08 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd4020437aa22049880bc6d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes, imagine the irony if mark got it all working perfectly and then it promptly crashed :O) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: I have to wonder what the CPU stress would be of running bidule as a plugin INSIDE AudioMulch and having it do much heavy lifting... --000e0cd4020437aa22049880bc6d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes, imagine the irony if mark got it all working perfectly and then it pro= mptly crashed

:O)

On Tue, Dec 28, = 2010 at 11:10 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
I have to wonder what the CPU stress would be of running bidule as a plugin= INSIDE AudioMulch and having it do much heavy lifting...
--000e0cd4020437aa22049880bc6d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 23:41:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE0581834A5; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tO8Mb1Lz8BWe6Opmi3ZROQ)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012280121 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-28_11:2010-12-28,2010-12-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <0DD3A9C5-05C4-4BD2-9DD7-1808F65A045A@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: cool reverb plug in Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:41:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:41:47 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_tO8Mb1Lz8BWe6Opmi3ZROQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT valhalladsp > shimmer --Boundary_(ID_tO8Mb1Lz8BWe6Opmi3ZROQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT valhalladsp > shimmer --Boundary_(ID_tO8Mb1Lz8BWe6Opmi3ZROQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 28 23:44:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BE1F1834C4; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Dp3Cc1JcD/LpCRV5ZA4JUtDG/7yQkzn8cxMv+6cuKDk=; b=l+qGFXe+akOs1AvSsQTbCv2+cC5yhMRNk9FNXTWXDoPHV0qu2dHkv4sfxLDfh4GYwp ioMNkjqbTiy9x3W80v/UjJINcBA+b9vNC86wNgDOZwjUpmPLs9zYDqcE5HcpgC9P9AHJ PiXpSBgWwxCkI7VvUDBnLJhG9S7DolmonaDUg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=rXTa1jJg8kMbX0pYKZ+jb2dFbN5bTpODYmQAMUbF71Hb/BBPHE+LANP+TD6Fj04vBM 4f+s860u520WBJjMCoIVy5ozjy3HURGO0p3ivG/Gap4k7TmOhD3kads9/vDP6r0eh17b 4cpcwAZBCKlw8gBPQxCOf3AdNVTIE5ti0OaeM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0DD3A9C5-05C4-4BD2-9DD7-1808F65A045A@mac.com> References: <0DD3A9C5-05C4-4BD2-9DD7-1808F65A045A@mac.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:44:42 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: cool reverb plug in From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Indeed...very cool. http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > valhalladsp > shimmer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 00:03:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 801521834D6; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 00:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Er/gAgxVOVJoQVfqcXwPjrD4se3CU0Waf7Ph3IstD6U=; b=BVS14+GwIO0ivxOrodukx0Tp8b5KUBDCy1rxaeuuHFB1oCmskE4I+iECJ6GdbpSc10 lgFzrBcjoc833e3CqIsDxyRt7zyZrNlEFt//2AEjhydCnT+7UbPx3Kc4mr5K420wx4FY ZCYex5WR1aIa9OKcMVMeISV4g8XssLunBW1qE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=LOw4ohJzgB89YMvabyu+WqvHU//P2qtstiU9EZ9uimooCGT9renvkQv5/AzNuIXVht YWsjXjj+sM5p2VFj0ADnQG1nZ1ncHBVvZmIMPVSbvKZ2UDoUXlf2A3eO7LU2F+HuSUir c8v1bHy50eXmR+QWo4buEr8FLmpy+I+qWSL7Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4D1A6747.3000706@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 01:02:48 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: US4wI-6BZHWyFsCB88ro7DS_9oI Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549f035437150498814bab Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 00:03:09 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30549f035437150498814bab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Its working flawlessly... still have to kinda write my own tho... shame that version aint made from a group... I could have, looked inside and nicked stuff... looking to "freeze" the input now so that the hand can be taken off the keyboard and the arp still plays... theres a typically but rather clever implementation on most hardware arps that I like, where the arp plays UNTILL a new chord is played, when that will take over, UNLESS one or more notes from the previous chord are played, IN WHICH CASE the new chord ADDS to the arp.. lovely to progressivly advance melodies and morph into new spaces... Another arp tweak is the note skip function... set its number 4 5 6 whatever... and it skips the beat right out of the arp. makes for ingenious rythyms, plus theres the double notes at each end of and up or down.. plus theres polyphonic arpping, where the ... oh never mind... I should go to bed... got to take the kids Ice Skating tomorrow... night night and thanks Per and Simeon... mark @Rainer.. yes... sorry about this thread, has become a bit of a chat, I guess I forget people that dont use gmail... for us its pretty tidy! On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > yes, imagine the irony if mark got it all working perfectly and then it > promptly crashed > > :O) > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > I have to wonder what the CPU stress would be of running bidule as a plugin > INSIDE AudioMulch and having it do much heavy lifting... > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --20cf30549f035437150498814bab Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its working flawlessly... still have to kinda write my own tho... shame tha= t version aint made from a group... I could have, looked inside and nicked = stuff... looking to "freeze" the input now so that the hand can b= e taken off the keyboard and the arp still plays... theres a typically but = rather clever implementation on most hardware arps that I like, where the a= rp plays UNTILL a new chord is played, when that will take over, UNLESS one= or more notes from the previous chord are played, IN WHICH CASE the new ch= ord ADDS to the arp.. lovely to progressivly advance melodies and morph int= o new spaces...
Another arp tweak is the note skip function... set its number 4 5 6 whateve= r... and it skips the beat right out of the arp. makes for ingenious rythym= s, plus theres the double notes at each end of and up or down.. plus theres= polyphonic arpping, where the ... oh never mind... I should go to bed... g= ot to take the kids Ice Skating tomorrow...

night night and thanks Per and Simeon...

mark

@Rainer.. y= es... sorry about this thread, has become a bit of a chat, I guess I forget= people that dont use gmail... for us its pretty tidy!



On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
yes, imagine the irony if mark got it all working perfectly and then it pro= mptly crashed

:O)


On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Dennis Moser <s= insofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
I have to wonder what the CPU stress would be of running bidule as a plugin= INSIDE AudioMulch and having it do much heavy lifting...



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--20cf30549f035437150498814bab-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 03:02:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85275183455; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 03:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? References: <988079.9274.qm@web38404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-7--395677024"; charset="iso-8859-1" In-Reply-To: <988079.9274.qm@web38404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: thread-topic: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? thread-index: AcunBKwkNM0X66uGReGK1hcdg6SOFg== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:00:18 -0500 To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2010 03:02:07.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[C70F5650:01CBA704] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 03:02:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--395677024 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well I gave 500 to my neighbor whos husband is about to croak, 200 to my pre= acher, whos wife has bad cancer, another 200 to all the girls at my bank, 10= 00 to a girl friend in jail on trumped up drug charges, not bad!!! Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 28, 2010, at 11:14 AM, "Elmer Fuddski" wro= te: > Sounds like a bunch of spoiled kids with a lot of money to spend/burn! :) > =20 > Did anyone do anything to HELP someone in need this Christmas? >=20 > --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Grant wrote: >=20 > From: Grant > Subject: RE: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 8:01 PM >=20 > Congratulations all around! Seems like everybody was on the "nice" list! > Nothing like a warm fire and cool new gear to play with, eh? >=20 > I don't have any new gear to brag about this year but I still feel > "inspired" by the love and companionship of friends and family. >=20 > Best to all for a fantastic 2011! >=20 > G >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-7--395677024 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Well I gave 500 to my neighbor whos husband is about to croak, 200 to my preacher, whos wife has bad cancer, another 200 to all the girls at my bank, 1000 to a girl friend in jail on trumped up drug charges, not bad!!!

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent from my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!


On Dec 28, 2010, at 11:14 AM, "Elmer Fuddski" <jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com> wrote:

Sounds like a bunch of spoiled kids with a lot of money to spend/burn! :)
 
Did anyone do anything to HELP someone in need this Christmas?

--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Grant <grantmepeace@mindspring.com> wrote:

From: Grant <grantmepeace@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: So, what new gear did Santa bring you?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 8:01 PM

Congratulations all around! Seems like everybody was on the "nice" list!
Nothing like a warm fire and cool new gear to play with, eh?

I don't have any new gear to brag about this year but I still feel
"inspired" by the love and companionship of friends and family.

Best to all for a fantastic 2011!

G


--Apple-Mail-7--395677024-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 04:11:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 863A2183457; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 04:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:references:from :content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=LZux2KOXSGwIDm+Syz3OorujQdbVVR21+qUlpaoRDCk=; b=kBIME+7MplQRHsZP75gccF0X/2T6+uVhP4y35/5BsnrHqw8uBWngCqNgUD7eFaeTPE O/z+49dWPUA0TjqGT7YkWGdAvHDu0GYfklLgC76T3brZ8SGb3lT8ylFB6Q3yS230hxct JRGTJetfFyraTSuEs/WpKi7C3b6pT3cA3dCSc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=gT+xMLQaWxyHDMjAQMUQ323ul/1opP7gnFil6yaGIaqfGna18PanOAFF/27PkBCkli BXJBAb3yYtrXWafCd7M53UBHH6ELXwOBQtTMuTSHMQBTrSTvynuN/c/7uqpck0FvwXnB lCry37N5FvhBI8ME2fmjKQ5xEKNU5IAXaBZcY= Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator References: <4D1A6747.3000706@googlemail.com> From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--391331680 X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8B117) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <22126329-5047-4534-96AB-8F4C80C9A9B8@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 04:12:36 +0000 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8B117) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 04:11:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--391331680 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well done Mark! The double notes st the beginning and end of the arps are available in the p= attern dropdown. It's the "inclusive" ones Sim Sent from my iPod On 29 Dec 2010, at 00:02, mark francombe wrote: > Its working flawlessly... still have to kinda write my own tho... shame th= at version aint made from a group... I could have, looked inside and nicked s= tuff... looking to "freeze" the input now so that the hand can be taken off t= he keyboard and the arp still plays... theres a typically but rather clever i= mplementation on most hardware arps that I like, where the arp plays UNTILL a= new chord is played, when that will take over, UNLESS one or more notes fro= m the previous chord are played, IN WHICH CASE the new chord ADDS to the arp= .. lovely to progressivly advance melodies and morph into new spaces... > Another arp tweak is the note skip function... set its number 4 5 6 whatev= er... and it skips the beat right out of the arp. makes for ingenious rythym= s, plus theres the double notes at each end of and up or down.. plus theres p= olyphonic arpping, where the ... oh never mind... I should go to bed... got t= o take the kids Ice Skating tomorrow...=20 >=20 > night night and thanks Per and Simeon... >=20 > mark >=20 > @Rainer.. yes... sorry about this thread, has become a bit of a chat, I gu= ess I forget people that dont use gmail... for us its pretty tidy! >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > yes, imagine the irony if mark got it all working perfectly and then it pr= omptly crashed >=20 > :O) >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Dennis Moser w= rote:=20 > I have to wonder what the CPU stress would be of running bidule as a plugi= n INSIDE AudioMulch and having it do much heavy lifting... >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-4--391331680 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Well done Mark!

The double notes st the beginning and end of the arps are available in the= pattern dropdown. It's the "inclusive" ones

Sim
Sent from my iPod

On 29 Dec 2010, at 00:02, mark francomb= e <mark@markfrancombe.com&g= t; wrote:

Its working= flawlessly... still have to kinda write my own tho... shame that version ai= nt made from a group... I could have, looked inside and nicked stuff... look= ing to "freeze" the input now so that the hand can be taken off the keyboard= and the arp still plays... theres a typically but rather clever implementat= ion on most hardware arps that I like, where the arp plays UNTILL a new chor= d is played, when that will take over, UNLESS one or more notes from the pre= vious chord are played, IN WHICH CASE the new chord ADDS to the arp.. lovely= to progressivly advance melodies and morph into new spaces...
Another arp tweak is the note skip function... set its number 4 5 6 whatever= ... and it skips the beat right out of the arp. makes for ingenious rythyms,= plus theres the double notes at each end of and up or down.. plus theres po= lyphonic arpping, where the ... oh never mind... I should go to bed... got t= o take the kids Ice Skating tomorrow...

night night and thanks Per and Simeon...

mark

@Rainer.. ye= s... sorry about this thread, has become a bit of a chat, I guess I forget p= eople that dont use gmail... for us its pretty tidy!



On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-= left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> yes, imagine the irony if mark got it all working perfectly and then it prom= ptly crashed

:O)


On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> w= rote:
I have to wonder what the CPU stress would be of running bidule as a plugin I= NSIDE AudioMulch and having it do much heavy lifting...



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mark francom= be
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
t= witter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
<= a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no
= --Apple-Mail-4--391331680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 05:31:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 766B918345B; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 05:31:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vgQLCok5bqFy5aUPOKttgU6+i7oKw0oP8sCa8U18PlU=; b=jklWKpNaevYRhtJtib87KghUjDCogUw13MPYwEZXwMC1RefokFXnadLNU2pFIP5kvz AwRLTsfbarsqwXkMI2oUXfpTqV4HIDlwVUXL8CpnmOKmSIWON+D/QHl0sOoWoEb4iZgx wWVki31TuhiAnt2TiVv4BV7D8XLRG3Eo+l6Mg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=AszSHqxk9LM0HneF1LN/94j/KKlO/e0q3TPSc9CGGRA2LlUfIWOID13+6P/TZ8+KIQ ++b74l/m5D6xNwxK3rGkY2uDIReLw5dDpHnZ8T3W0Anp7MxZANf5qPQNerkbp9+OJayw o6Tj4HKYv0T+HjMINFTEqDcbsk3oE48U3RLP0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:31:51 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: WAY OLD post from OCT: swollen pickle/handheld digital recorders/ search function?/santa xmas brings... From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65a07f0e2fa77049885e2bc Resent-Message-ID: <0qm9wB.A.Bd.IfsGNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 05:31:52 +0000 (UTC) --0016e65a07f0e2fa77049885e2bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hi-does anyone know if the LD archive search function is working? i was trying to find some old posts, put in search words and it keeps coming up w/ "0" results. just curious. i was mainly looking for the old posts on folks recommendations for portable digital recorders, so i had to do a manual scroll. found them, back in Oct...this search for me has been endless. lots of little reviews i've read (too many reviews...) mainly looking for something smallish to replace my fostex mr8, which seems huge to the new crop of recorders...mainly looking to record live amp sounds in my small studio. not sure i want to go down the multitrack route anymore...i'm leaning toward the olympus LS10, since rick W recommended it back in oct, and have seen some good things on amazon of it....but there have been some others in the $100 range i'm looking at too...(again,mind-numbing in my research) in my scrolling through past months, there was a brief posting of asking about the WAY HUGE SWOLLEN PICKLE-- i just got one of these in my endless search for fuzz options (again another endless search for me), but i got the swollen pickle a few weeks ago. AND I LOVE IT! i've read it's sort of an EH: big muff w/ a bit more control to it. i can't comment since i've not owned the EH, but i do like the pickle. it does have more bottom end sound to it (whereas when i had the Fuzz factory it sounded real treble to me, which i didn't like at the time, b/c i didn't understand fuzz as much then, i regret getting rid of it!). in my experiments w/ the swollen pickle, there are some fun/interesting things that can happen, interesting fuzz feedback w/ the neck pu, the sustained sounds w/ the neck pu, how different harmonics can sound,etc things i've been re-hearing as i relisten to hendrix live stuff (the fillmore double disc from 11 yrs ago has been on heavy rotation in my car!). just fun stuff. as for santa's brings...nothing specific as a present, but i ended up buying a clone of the fuzz factory, called the FUZZ MACHINE, after getting some recommendations from others who had bought one, so i'm excited to try that when it comes next week. i'm not expecting exact fuzz factory sounds, but looking fwd to the fuzz mayhem that i think it can do similar to the FF.... happy looping.... s--- www.myspace.com/scotthansen --0016e65a07f0e2fa77049885e2bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi-does anyone know if the LD archive search function is working?
i was trying to find some old posts, put in search words and it keeps = coming up w/ "0" results. just curious.
i was mainly looking for the old posts on folks recommendations for po= rtable digital recorders, so i had to do a manual scroll.
found them, back in Oct...this search for me has been endless. lots of= little reviews i've read (too many reviews...)
=A0
mainly looking for something smallish to replace my fostex mr8, which = seems huge to the new crop of recorders...mainly looking to record live amp= sounds in my small studio.
not sure i want to go down the multitrack route anymore...i'm lean= ing toward the olympus LS10, since rick W recommended it back in oct, and h= ave seen some good things on amazon of it....but there have been some other= s in the $100 range i'm looking at too...(again,mind-numbing in my rese= arch)
=A0
in my scrolling through past months, there was a brief posting of aski= ng about the WAY HUGE SWOLLEN PICKLE--
i just got one of these in my endless search for fuzz options (again a= nother endless search for me), but i got the swollen pickle a few weeks ago= .
AND I LOVE IT! i've read it's sort of an EH: big muff w/ a bit= more control to it. i can't comment since i've not owned the EH, b= ut i do like the pickle.
it does have more bottom end sound to it (whereas when i had the Fuzz = factory it sounded real treble to me, which i didn't like at the time, = b/c i didn't understand fuzz as much then, i regret getting rid of it!)= . in my experiments w/ the swollen pickle, there are some fun/interesting t= hings that can happen, interesting fuzz feedback w/ the neck pu, the sustai= ned sounds w/ the neck pu, how different harmonics can sound,etc things i&#= 39;ve been re-hearing as i relisten to hendrix live stuff (the fillmore dou= ble disc from 11 yrs ago has been on heavy rotation in my car!). just fun s= tuff.
as for santa's brings...nothing specific as a present, but i ended= up buying a clone of the fuzz factory, called the FUZZ MACHINE, after gett= ing some recommendations from others who had bought one, so i'm excited= to try that when it comes next week. i'm not expecting exact fuzz fact= ory sounds, but looking fwd to the fuzz mayhem that i think it can do simil= ar to the FF....
happy looping....
s---
--0016e65a07f0e2fa77049885e2bc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 06:15:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C24F6183459; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 06:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <76E24463-7DF8-415C-B2C8-BFF8B2690280@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:15:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 06:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Sjaak Sez: I only sold gear, didn't buy anything new, no kidding. Happy holidays my friends! :) I tried to sell some gear on Craig's list just before Christmas and all i got was weird scammer e-mails about shipping out of state and or money orders . I still need to sell the stuff to pay for my lap steel being built so I may post here before I move to e-bay. I did get to play Santa for my friend Daniel Thomas who's wife splurged and ordered a Bear Creek weissenborn style lap steel, and Bill Hardin the maker was able to get it done in time but not early enough to get it here by mail by Christmas. So I drove 75 miles south to King City to meet him at a Star Bucks half way from his home in Cambria to get the instrument. Though not exactly a charitable gesture if felt great to be in on the conspiracy which took him completely by surprise and made him very very happy. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 08:36:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E7DF183455; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 08:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293611765; bh=DUKpb4EbLoYwes4DsIvokvBsJYjpbHRHlS8AZjEL4V8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DJw6MKvOjcjJ9YXeKVtWsHHbN3Ev+3Qhw7AcW8UmPe8L1fGuOzh6fyMEASndDj6lJ0hx4EEYSOD0H4AyH9lS+fnuAHLTXg/I/lMe1hWfXs9Xahj33ZMpv2dUL448MqoGzLQl+5c+6LKetsdphZJrzUAZwbySTTndRFb4k7Gk1Qo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0w/dCjmzt+CYOx25kDiNcfYTutTXiPAIG0DcEcJwIc9YQWG9+PEV8tiNh4Ec+1r2aXNU4qskmWXrDa8W4oi4ZsreCQ/X9BMlov/rFlLO14dwRAO/RyYbDVPejqjcx/kdw5cENL//oInpCOrL3Gvi3sGKezxPip3wzn69Lj/BofE=; Message-ID: <629083.70752.qm@web120710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 4BtWdwUVM1nVtwosrnElQYB4aMaGd42_0mNuUjKRKIWN84U fd5NKDvQnboQ47OFNu7HRwpyEKUolncNHO8trFIvdovPKBCG7dq9CDgq5M2x 33oIE8dNaI1iQF0uk4Jd4HLNrzFE1DMHLNs6dPwydE0VtsF6lQzUguosZNgk bFbF0n.SWofw3wPO24FZ91fBJZEnpnQMjE7mZthyt2zCZOSOiW9Rgr8P2xhX 2fJ9KtvFQlZwzJO28aTVvKMloh_qnKfVNpQ7z5t4KMx5K7xNU6ekBzQ.Y9xd k6kyC_gCA2ZDAC1sfGaaL56Vb X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <988079.9274.qm@web38404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 00:36:05 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-267812781-1293611765=:70752" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 08:36:07 +0000 (UTC) --0-267812781-1293611765=:70752 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii no but that's a good thought; thanks for bringing it up. Antony ________________________________ From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 5:21:23 PM Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you? >Did anyone do anything to HELP someone in need this Christmas? > > > Sure did. :) --0-267812781-1293611765=:70752 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
no but that's a good thought; thanks for bringing it up.

Antony

From: Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@frontier.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 5:21:23 PM
Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring you?



 
Did anyone do anything to HELP someone in need this Christmas?



Sure did. :)



--0-267812781-1293611765=:70752-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 10:18:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53CA0183466; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZTYjyhzV1cdapbHxrda79jtmWCbCbxoTHlOrdFNXGoo=; b=fBe/RPUqVjMtT8OETNA6PO8G6nr7DBSyfVzzvyxrPyCy3CWFiq67v3aYRew3H0/Vis M0hBU+R+sFqeXb9lrszzylB4w0rBDKebtgDJ08NJyKxOHGlJKS09a/vZS86038gR5Vef L4kRlnq75PPQrPV1EwcGTamXMoRiddXJ7ktW4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ROsUSPfAGBGnsA/KsU29YBWNUCBuNbYKiK8j4+Ej1hHbyE7tLOUikzNIWiYJ6bpM9u r9mCQA3PgWujEH9Pddg5P4uJE7n9g0X8hHbS790Zy3x8iIrYvjM+brCv6WY3k9bX4CTQ L8vz5uVGRhWcGXBfmkCel66zEubaM7NYtO0wc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4D1A6747.3000706@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:18:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: low cpu midi appegiator From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:18:56 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 1:02 AM, mark francombe wr= ote: > theres a typically but rather clever implementation on most hardware arps > that I like, where the arp plays UNTILL a new chord is played, when that > will take over, UNLESS one or more notes from the previous chord are play= ed, > IN WHICH CASE the new chord ADDS to the arp.. You should post that as humble request for help to the Bidule forum! I'm certain some of the programming wizards over there would love the challenge to mock it up for you! That forum is full of people that make electronic music because they like to program (!) and they like to show off their exceptional skills to guys like us that just want to make music with as little programming as possible. Another cool ARP mode is =E2=80=98As Played=E2=80=99 =E2=80=94 plays the cu= rrent notes in the order they were originally played. Here are two more cool modes that I like in the Alchemy (built-in) arp: o In =E2=80=98Hold=E2=80=99 mode, the new notes are organized into a new pa= ttern, which replaces the existing pattern. o In =E2=80=98Add=E2=80=99 mode, the new notes are added to the existing pa= ttern. (Try combining =E2=80=98As Played=E2=80=99 mode with the =E2=80=98Add=E2=80=99 l= atch setting to create an interactive step sequencer with up to 128 steps!) They kind of give the user experience you described. But I think I would like to also create a foot controlled MIDI filter that only lets MIDI through to the arp when pressed down. That is because I'd like to keep on playing Stick/guitar with the normal audio pickup sound now and then. My plan is to press down the arp pedal as I play notes that I want to also be copied into the arpeggiator (as MIDI, by the MIDI pickup). I think I'd like to use Alchemy with its built-in arp but if you set up an arp in Bidule it would be simple to also set up a "Filter out MIDI pre arp" switch. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 12:17:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 255CF183474; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 12:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=M1JlEcZgM69IFgJkH1JRJ7FlLp5g+yTRdT4RNuJIG7M=; b=BP47oD8vOqOS6lhZSH/Ru588Bua5cEPAk5I2c0hN93gkdLhl0TRCEupydWGoRBVhze 7EhOILuuR9/by64u5t1YeTCdjZmLLUc7UcYBJvjIfh4s22w92LGZj5U4WeumQJ8bv/w3 TiqJ/7ekic5wlvo8EjhJLvlHVYPuBQK0tEPuY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=LS5QYy8au9PQaNtwJZW8EhP8T3rLBrahb76SvrWBmsQaJcV3TK5QQLlSByZp6XCLyX bNBDirltbW0tDVUSkRigTRWnrVbM2QJ1xSCS2uxCmHA4BXfVvyMmACGPOO2HkevlxkVk 4n8ob55g1T8PFsuosq8VbqsdmYSparZVx2MwQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D18E3CC.2050501@cruzio.com> References: <4D18E3CC.2050501@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:17:05 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: OT - Mahavishnu live footage From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b55823157704988b8cb6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 12:17:08 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5b55823157704988b8cb6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Matt -> What is the book called? 2010/12/27 Rick Walker > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> But, as Michael remarked, John seems to have >> always been truly sincere inside all that; the attitude to music >> making as a prayer is something I totally agree with. When watching >> Johns activities from a distance against the background of "the >> general sheep mob" one could easily take him for one of them. I had >> similar bugs, back in the days (luckily such narrow perspectives >> washed off by time), regarding Carlos Santana when he too showed up >> "dressed in that Indian night shirt". >> > John and Carlos were both very serious devotees of the Indian Hindu guru, > Sri Chinmoy. > I never got that they took it lightly or that they were being trendy. > > McLaughlin's devotee name was Mahavishnu John McLaughlin, > Santana's was Devadip Carlos Santana for a while > and my brother and I always referred to him as DoubleDip Carlos Santana > (ahhhhhh, immaturity!!!!) > > rick walker > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --001636c5b55823157704988b8cb6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt -> What is the book called?

2010/= 12/27 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
But, as Michael remarked, John seems to have
always been truly sincere inside all that; the attitude to music
making as a prayer is something I totally agree with. =A0When watching
Johns activities from a distance against the background of "the
general sheep mob" one could easily take him for one of them. I had similar bugs, back in the days (luckily such narrow perspectives
washed off by time), regarding Carlos Santana when he too showed up
"dressed in that Indian night shirt".
John and Carlos were both very serious devotees of the Indian Hindu guru, S= ri Chinmoy.
I never got that they took it lightly or that they were being trendy.

McLaughlin's devotee name was Mahavishnu John McLaughlin,
Santana's was Devadip Carlos Santana for a while
and my brother and I always referred to him as DoubleDip Carlos Santana
(ahhhhhh, =A0immaturity!!!!)

rick walker




--
Petri Lahtinenhttp://www.pet= rilahtinen.com
http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/
http://so= undcloud.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen
http://petrilahtinen.ba= ndcamp.com/
---------------------------------------------------
"Only become pr= ofessional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
--------= -------------------------------------------
"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-
--001636c5b55823157704988b8cb6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 15:25:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9324B183477; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Subject: Reyn vs Blaudzun - Quiet German Girls From: Reyn Ouwehand In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:25:11 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1FE04B33-6CF7-4756-8277-7FC8B4DF6A2C@reyn.net> References: <0DD3A9C5-05C4-4BD2-9DD7-1808F65A045A@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: <5U3OIB.A.KcH.aL1GNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Really simple looping, but I just love this song and wanted to share! : http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=MuqZAqxcwjg Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studio.reyn.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 15:26:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C676D183475; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VE/x7NOSrBKn0g3aYk+txU54GTnW44yhJ0qT/S5JjeU=; b=lfp0sdbvLuk6T3LGmQ/VkHX0unbEXFOJWJ37CvtGsHRMCsptuyuRv8/X7yYRF4i3cP Ynhd+JoGBdWHLqqkAR/rJZ8ny/Na6raVw/xaSX/lPCTsT9dcapU7oHSe2zdAHGOm8lTw g+jzuRKkcOUT9d+djku2+jPGPks3AJgH40APs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Wht080XEolnKV49R/d0dgJNxNIHCNkoTLra7C/HLTgfXQbEmGgagaAqkFHnz3FoKGi 24JMILbPZ8L7UhZgc1xARL4k4S8Av6PsCFJdARGGQqcIy4APfWUCJtGE0Vig2+vJjrkI VqGOsWOJkpTv9kVDZW0PZmNHOZIU416kvJmag= Message-ID: <4D1B532F.1000007@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:26:39 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Musical discoveries of 2010 References: <4D1520CD.404@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:26:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a belated response to this thread, but just wanted to share as I've discovered so much good music this year. These aren't necessarily 2010 releases, or new artists, but they were new to me. John Hollenbeck Large Ensemble "Eternal Interlude" - drummer-led big band, doing some really groovy, really complicated, soulful things. Todd Sickafoose "Tiny Resistors" - fantastic band, fantastic songs, fantastic bassist. So Percussion - four-person percussion ensemble. Anything they do is amazing, but "Amid the Noise" is a favorite. Brian Blade & the Fellowship Band - "Season of Changes" - beautiful, moving stuff, only tangentially related to jazz. Mastodon "Crack the Skye" - the best metal album I've heard in 10 years, if not 20. Amazing production, great drummer, tight concept, and an excellent example of that whole Norse-gods-thundering-through-the-steppes feeling that metal is supposed to have. Bert Jansch - member of 60's Brit-folk band Pentangle. Great guitar stylist - I dig him more than Fahey (horror!). Vijay Iyer "Solo", and "Historicity" - I've simply never heard somebody play piano like this. Tommy Emmanuel - unbelievable acoustic guitar player. He does things that seem impossible, with humor, style and intelligence. Check some Youtube videos, or his "Endless Road". AVOID like the plague any of his electric work, it's sadly cheesy. Gamelan Galak Tiki - Boston-based gamelan ensemble doing new music, led by Evan Ziporyn (member of Bang on a Can All-Stars). Saw them twice; mindblowing. And a whole bunch of New York-based artists who do great work in the nu-jazz idiom: Mary Holverson (guitar), Ben Perowsky (drums), Ben Allison (bass), John Stetch (piano), Steve Cardenas (guitar), Jim Black (drums), Tyshawn Sorey (drums) I also need to add that David Torn's performance two weeks ago with Tim Berne and Ches Smith (they called their trio Aarses) is one of the best looping shows I have ever seen, if not one of the best shows of improvised music, if not one of the best shows I have ever seen PERIOD. It's still resonating with me. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 15:36:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B754183475; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AYR6PFuA5r/amAXUpJvXtigG3nXjO3IdKSFgn+6u8vU=; b=g4dp4ckQboniI4JfhM+sJK9DHEkeSoB5DC0NDYXFpTqcr2fVyZgwZoLsQDmSLfxVdB XTh8FxGDwU2Gc63vYhuwvh+LsTXPPaPj00Lvssbokqm61yglayJUoRnxlr/XDOXSgcYq gD8FQSS2lwfsCD5gNK0yny17hiRgxEdhg38Tg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lGprJgtbrqqyyRZbrF6ZkRM8vKxOGmL5SoDuc+m5AztJVSDVybWpu7N+Fcyr14buph GgeE/73yqupaj/DN8k7zplTXfd9QkFoNB+IsuPZ59lPCe3i0OZaUjEJ4HHrQzCZFg82q 1+6rJuINZEE2Yvc4ub5mYSUm+tOobx8Tys2Ng= Message-ID: <4D1B5592.5070609@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:36:50 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? References: <4D1404F7.9030108@gmail.com> <4D1483CB.6030608@cruzio.com> <4D150B28.8040101@gmail.com> <009e01cba3b6$eb362280$6400a8c0@vulcan> <164355.85466.qm@web45904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <164355.85466.qm@web45904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:36:58 +0000 (UTC) I'm belated to respond here, again. I was thinking of small resistors - circuit board style. If one sent a signal through a whole mess of 'em, re-amplified as necessary in between, would it delay the signal appreciably? Or would it take such an ungodly army of them that it would make it all ridiculous? I liked the elegance of a simple wire, but I can see that the length, among other considerations, would make it less elegant that I first thought. I LOVE the opto-delay idea, extravagant though it sounds. Let's mention it to Fripp :). Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > yes, due to the fact that a long cable has a high resistance, it would > be necessary to boost the input signal in order to obtain some very > small signal at the far end. That is why repeaters are used on > undersea cables, each section is amplified before sending into the > next section. > > hmmm, I don't know much about optics, but it would be cool to build a > box which takes the audio signal, converts to optical, then bounces > off of two mirrors set x distance apart, when the number of bounces > equals the distance you want, send the signal to the output. Voila, an > Opto - Delay! This would also probably be the most expensive delay > known to man, since it would require precise laser-optic type mirrors > and a laser. > > Eric From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 15:46:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD56418347B; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=oYJ5Se9LHXk7CO78avi9L/0ile4Z8yjS4lun+5bkozfjPu198l17cnfvK93Mfa/3; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4D1B5592.5070609@gmail.com> References: <4D1404F7.9030108@gmail.com> <4D1483CB.6030608@cruzio.com> <4D150B28.8040101@gmail.com> <009e01cba3b6$eb362280$6400a8c0@vulcan> <164355.85466.qm@web45904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4D1B5592.5070609@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:46:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: EME moonbounce? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec793435e6cd45221449458c30c958336005350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Neither of these ideas are "sound" so to speak.. electrons travel at the speed of light, so no amount of wire would add appreciable delay to a signal... >I'm belated to respond here, again. I was thinking of small >resistors - circuit board style. If one sent a signal through a >whole mess of 'em, re-amplified as necessary in between, would it >delay the signal appreciably? Or would it take such an ungodly army >of them that it would make it all ridiculous? > >I liked the elegance of a simple wire, but I can see that the >length, among other considerations, would make it less elegant that >I first thought. > >I LOVE the opto-delay idea, extravagant though it sounds. Let's >mention it to Fripp :). > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com > >>yes, due to the fact that a long cable has a high resistance, it >>would be necessary to boost the input signal in order to obtain >>some very small signal at the far end. That is why repeaters are >>used on undersea cables, each section is amplified before sending >>into the next section. >> >>hmmm, I don't know much about optics, but it would be cool to build >>a box which takes the audio signal, converts to optical, then >>bounces off of two mirrors set x distance apart, when the number of >>bounces equals the distance you want, send the signal to the >>output. Voila, an Opto - Delay! This would also probably be the >>most expensive delay known to man, since it would require precise >>laser-optic type mirrors and a laser. >> >>Eric -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 15:53:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2734E18347F; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kS1V5+A3TBp14hb5xmeYdh0vNfXyGr8vi8lIGIT4tns=; b=xt7khO1lgG8AQ+Si87gvUYYD9TAyXNvXOvUf/c9b9b36H2dc8zukkNppfoNWEPW7Eo AsZFQp8Lxkxax3wCIVqTNNn1/xSYZsbYTWrfYe9n5GdJsI9yckfaRxvNbCpQVbMuz6jT v0cLhBy/j5tNpfi1MUiC7MzqK78vetM6hbXT4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=bUEe6XKhl1UholYqY82XM9Eb6PFBnb9gh537oOQc1OiIpsU0Vx7FZDoPeRhYurIMwU RMYGgunlzIeLV/Iy7Mm+IsUGndnwy662Ery86NA4ai6InmIlM4sDJJ0rlEGCLgI+m92V vz84ohJJ7XHkZVkZlaiTVVBDigyo2HCSAAmtw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D1B532F.1000007@gmail.com> References: <4D1520CD.404@cruzio.com> <4D1B532F.1000007@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:53:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Musical discoveries of 2010 From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3fc244ec8804988e9040 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:53:02 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c3fc244ec8804988e9040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ok, I'll share. Not just 'discoveries' but fav releases too. Tim Motzer/Markus Reuter - Descending. Just lovely. Tim Motzer (and friends) - Goldbug. quirky, trippy, jazzy. Julie Slick (bassist extraordinaire for Adrian Belew) debut. Shows exactly why Adrian picked her. Love it. District 97 - Hybrid Child. Flat out prog rock. Riverside - Anno Domini (actually a 2009 release, but I didn't get it til 2010). more prog! Transatlantic - The Whirlwind. Hey look, even more prog! :) The Orb featuring David Gilmour - Metallic Spheres. old school prog. Slash - Slash. Wait, that's not prog. Meshuggah - Alive. Way not prog. Jeff Beck - Emotion & Commotion. It's JB, need not say more. Animals as Leaders (self titled). wow. Black Country Communion. Glenn Hughes, damn. Iron Maiden - The Final Frontier. I love metal. and the releases of the remastered King Crimson catalog are well worth getting if you are a KC fan. On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > This is a belated response to this thread, but just wanted to share as I've > discovered so much good music this year. These aren't necessarily 2010 > releases, or new artists, but they were new to me. > > John Hollenbeck Large Ensemble "Eternal Interlude" - drummer-led big band, > doing some really groovy, really complicated, soulful things. > Todd Sickafoose "Tiny Resistors" - fantastic band, fantastic songs, > fantastic bassist. > So Percussion - four-person percussion ensemble. Anything they do is > amazing, but "Amid the Noise" is a favorite. > Brian Blade & the Fellowship Band - "Season of Changes" - beautiful, moving > stuff, only tangentially related to jazz. > Mastodon "Crack the Skye" - the best metal album I've heard in 10 years, if > not 20. Amazing production, great drummer, tight concept, and an excellent > example of that whole Norse-gods-thundering-through-the-steppes feeling that > metal is supposed to have. > Bert Jansch - member of 60's Brit-folk band Pentangle. Great guitar stylist > - I dig him more than Fahey (horror!). > Vijay Iyer "Solo", and "Historicity" - I've simply never heard somebody > play piano like this. > Tommy Emmanuel - unbelievable acoustic guitar player. He does things that > seem impossible, with humor, style and intelligence. Check some Youtube > videos, or his "Endless Road". AVOID like the plague any of his electric > work, it's sadly cheesy. > Gamelan Galak Tiki - Boston-based gamelan ensemble doing new music, led by > Evan Ziporyn (member of Bang on a Can All-Stars). Saw them twice; > mindblowing. > > And a whole bunch of New York-based artists who do great work in the > nu-jazz idiom: > Mary Holverson (guitar), Ben Perowsky (drums), Ben Allison (bass), John > Stetch (piano), Steve Cardenas (guitar), Jim Black (drums), Tyshawn Sorey > (drums) > > I also need to add that David Torn's performance two weeks ago with Tim > Berne and Ches Smith (they called their trio Aarses) is one of the best > looping shows I have ever seen, if not one of the best shows of improvised > music, if not one of the best shows I have ever seen PERIOD. It's still > resonating with me. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > -- -==-=-=- Tony --0015174c3fc244ec8804988e9040 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I'll share.=A0 Not just 'discoveries' but fav releases too.=

Tim Motzer/Markus Reuter - Descending.=A0 Just lovely.
Tim Motze= r (and friends) - Goldbug.=A0 quirky, trippy, jazzy.
Julie Slick (bassis= t extraordinaire for Adrian Belew) debut. =A0 Shows exactly why Adrian pick= ed her.=A0=A0 Love it.
District 97 - Hybrid Child.=A0 Flat out prog rock.=A0
Riverside - Anno = Domini (actually a 2009 release, but I didn't get it til 2010). more pr= og!
Transatlantic - The Whirlwind.=A0 Hey look, even more prog! :)
Th= e Orb featuring David Gilmour - Metallic Spheres.=A0 old school prog.
Slash - Slash.=A0 Wait, that's not prog.
Meshuggah - Alive.=A0 Way n= ot prog.
Jeff Beck - Emotion & Commotion.=A0 It's JB, need not s= ay more.
Animals as Leaders (self titled).=A0 wow.
Black Country Comm= union.=A0 Glenn Hughes, damn.
Iron Maiden - The Final Frontier.=A0 I love metal.

and the releases = of the remastered King Crimson catalog are well worth getting if you are a = KC fan.


On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:26= AM, Daryl Shawn <darylshawn@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a belated response to this thread, = but just wanted to share as I've discovered so much good music this yea= r. These aren't necessarily 2010 releases, or new artists, but they wer= e new to me.

John Hollenbeck Large Ensemble "Eternal Interlude" - drummer-led = big band, doing some really groovy, really complicated, soulful things.
Todd Sickafoose "Tiny Resistors" - fantastic band, fantastic song= s, fantastic bassist.
So Percussion - four-person percussion ensemble. Anything they do is amazin= g, but "Amid the Noise" is a favorite.
Brian Blade & the Fellowship Band - "Season of Changes" - bea= utiful, moving stuff, only tangentially related to jazz.
Mastodon "Crack the Skye" - the best metal album I've heard i= n 10 years, if not 20. Amazing production, great drummer, tight concept, an= d an excellent example of that whole Norse-gods-thundering-through-the-step= pes feeling that metal is supposed to have.
Bert Jansch - member of 60's Brit-folk band Pentangle. Great guitar sty= list - I dig him more than Fahey (horror!).
Vijay Iyer "Solo", and "Historicity" - I've simply = never heard somebody play piano like this.
Tommy Emmanuel - unbelievable acoustic guitar player. He does things that s= eem impossible, with humor, style and intelligence. Check some Youtube vide= os, or his "Endless Road". AVOID like the plague any of his elect= ric work, it's sadly cheesy.
Gamelan Galak Tiki - Boston-based gamelan ensemble doing new music, led by = Evan Ziporyn (member of Bang on a Can All-Stars). Saw them twice; mindblowi= ng.

And a whole bunch of New York-based artists who do great work in the nu-jaz= z idiom:
Mary Holverson (guitar), Ben Perowsky (drums), Ben Allison (bass), John Ste= tch (piano), Steve Cardenas (guitar), Jim Black (drums), Tyshawn Sorey (dru= ms)

I also need to add that David Torn's performance two weeks ago with Tim= Berne and Ches Smith (they called their trio Aarses) is one of the best lo= oping shows I have ever seen, if not one of the best shows of improvised mu= sic, if not one of the best shows I have ever seen PERIOD. It's still r= esonating with me.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com<= /a>




--
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Tony
--0015174c3fc244ec8804988e9040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 17:14:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25F7A183482; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3F74357C-CD54-454D-9540-2242FEC62328@kliklak.net> From: jayrope LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20101229155304.04CA9183483@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:14:38 +0100 References: <20101229155304.04CA9183483@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Ja, so Santa got me a few used USB PC keyboards for free, which i disassembled and then turned them into cheap and wonderful USB foot remote controllers, now enabling hands-free control of my self-written max msp looper (laserdave). Paid around 20 Euro in total for the parts to build a 6-switch unit. Theoretically it is no problem to build a 128 switch unit out of this, or a simple box, that let's one use spare foot switches of the normal kind (mono jack, momentary) I'll eventually blog the intestines of this hack, until then you can get a grasp of the general idea here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3NxQ60E72k Enjoy :) I hope everyone is having pleasant holidays. j - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 17:58:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74C9718347B; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Te0C0VtEa6LL50YajWBGPSnoAyCu7Ncrk2FwPZgCcpM=; b=WY8OlaOZS2RLxI/ygQxTKm3YrWb2SwOq8njRYi2eRzgw4tI7LUQ3dgW6vyV+uO5LnD FaCZCcAVQOeZtz4f1PcMyLt/D3Z3pRvunRCROzFSqtFGyurkzlyQSA/a/nVOg8PlCxVr SEQsBvUPJZ9wLa2wiUzJfsZkqam7TE77bZ4rc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=KAtqOdEnpjFI/RQFrBp5nSHuhbfEF5HMtk/RnABfSsDgrSZXk+OQJJJMTPMgI9xq38 qJjR4Mxm59jaGo3pyhCm8oxomaXMzLkkMcUGw38esAkQBbtYQU6sLxWSgSQPhXuP/AMu cZ6k1dIw+awrJLzo4+7zYstjKsSixlnUHBrII= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:58:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Soundplant for videos? From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a2e9b9f02504989051a1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:58:43 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a2e9b9f02504989051a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Does anyone know any programs similar to SoundPlant for plaing videoclips as easily? Assign keys to play a videofile? This is OT, but any info would be appreciated...!!!! -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a2e9b9f02504989051a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know any programs similar to SoundPlant for plaing videoclips a= s easily?
Assign keys to play a videofile?

This is=A0 OT, but any= info would be appreciated...!!!!
--
Petri Lahtinen
http://www.petrilahtinen.com<= /a>
http://pet= rilahtinen.blogspot.com/
http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/= PetriLahtinen
http://pet= rilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
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"Only become professional musician if there is no choice.&= quot; -Robert Fripp-
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"Some people ne= ver go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Buko= wski-

--20cf3054a2e9b9f02504989051a1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 18:01:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D61E183485; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lZNRC6L2GaAA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=muWZbUee-1m3Vta9qUwA:9 a=xFJpNS9isP6z0fbxlUgA:7 a=F81_rovAYzC-zvA6ngvP72pU06wA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: <1103ED11-53B1-4E71-98E7-ABB8915C420F@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F74357C-CD54-454D-9540-2242FEC62328@kliklak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:01:39 -0800 References: <20101229155304.04CA9183483@hemlock.violacea.com> <3F74357C-CD54-454D-9540-2242FEC62328@kliklak.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, Santa didn't bring me anything musical this year. My musical tastes are waaaaay too esoteric and my music-making needs and desires are too specific, shifting, and expensive generally. But my wife gave me an Amazon Kindle for Xmas . . . which I love BTW. And my kids gave the usual, socks, hankies, batteries, post-it notes . . . stuff like that (thank goodness I don't wear ties). So . . . I have a home and familial love . . . what else do I need? Since september, I've sold off about $3K worth of gear on Ebay and elsewhere with the intent of migrating my future guitar-looping and effecting over to my MacBook Pro and some "fewer" pedals. I purchased a few things and found them not all they were cracked up to be . . . and sent them back for refunds. However, most of that money wound up eventually getting spent on other practical "family" stuff - life happens (or death, as in the case of the recent passing away of my Mother-in-law and subsequent plane flight for my wife for the mid-west funeral). Very little is left I am sad to say. Unfortunately, the migration is only half-way finished. Most of the software I intend to use is in place, and most of the controllers (though I have not mastered any of them yet). I still need to acquire an adequately high-quality audio interface though . . . which is going to cost me dearly. What's needed most of all is some "face-time" with an expert who can teach me quickly how to adapt and make music with all this. Hopefully that will happen soon. I have set a goal to be up and running in time for B-CIMF in Boise this Spring (should that even happen). Sigh . . . enough of that. As for the real meaning of the season, we spent the usual time at church and invited over an older couple who had no other family or place to go for the holiday. Not much, as regards to the spirit of Christmas, but sometimes all you can do is all you can do . . . and then my wife's mother passed away the next day. Maybe the Universe it trying to tell me something. I guess I must be hard of hearing (LOL), because I keep trying anyway. Cheers, and happy new year! Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 18:13:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03BDA183487; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 89663.69414.bm@omp1010.mail.ird.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=Lz1gvp3K3JJgo6H8pJymkbk+KxNQsMPwOdbMuvs/0Rqj67VKI6H1HL0W3MbMdllTdFT5oyIu90WjLqyaaKe1E60Hnd6mbI2SvPipO5EeI6DJreve1I5GjM2oU6RpG8j64aRsC78iEPJx81xCwLQg2WM3e9VdWbicKJ146Aq3e/Q= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1293646406; bh=tVtnJLbeT1ngJkoxjPKDOYsmNfSQAk5j3ZcgJ8m75GY=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=17p8glaLoDkGw1nfs/SHR7+fEB9WWO5ly59tVh/IlL1H4CUijjC/FFEYE9+/+3Z+xmcUDAUhgitcTaWNhBxpq/tRg24I3U5JRMCiyOM+G9onpMZVB01Ics9WrCuLzxkPPYAKsgupDsp4XY54W+U7j7H09mAALH1rd6cOtOLnZiI= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: rDPJ468VM1mZfRauI_bRo_EBe7cO43ITsrMYgrvk5WuVJNv XQUZgD8Bdj4tBw5o_an3QUQBOVYILuBKcGdXc0o8C2zqLtva4ThpR_8DGvn_ gKlxIHedJr7z7YjnQmWUJTrpSNwL02L2kzyMDrhQ.SpzPDah11vikQ2PKnCb MvvYd.DwxsXBB_Fc5mBsySvC_xl.Y7nAIlAo_qu2IzZ70KHZSKfD4yblLRkd iiYIhpV2yLgY589yEZQ26vZMgKrftasV4.t3qSwSedePBQC1KH6b6g.qCHc_ KeF7lwu5tyxVIDU1KyTJs20.RdA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--340895031 From: Matt Stevens Subject: Online gig spam Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:13:21 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:13:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--340895031 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Live streaming online at http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com/ 7pm Matt Stevens 8pm Chrissie Caulfield 9pm Rare Bear 10pm Stephen Goodman 3 out of 4 livelooping :) If anyone would like to perform at the venue in 2011 please get in touch :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com --Apple-Mail-1--340895031 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
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7pm Matt = Stevens
8pm Chrissie Caulfield
9pm Rare Bear
10pm Stephen = Goodman

3 out of 4 livelooping :) If anyone would like to perform at = the venue in 2011 please get in touch :)

Matt = Stevens
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On 29 Dec 2010, = at 18:13, Matt Stevens wrote:

Live streaming online at http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com/

7pm Matt = Stevens
8pm Chrissie Caulfield
9pm Rare Bear
10pm Stephen = Goodman

3 out of 4 livelooping :) If anyone would like to perform at = the venue in 2011 please get in touch :)

Matt = Stevens
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= --Apple-Mail-2--340766990-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 18:37:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B5FA18348B; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:37:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBA787.576756FF" Subject: RE: Online gig spam Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:36:43 -0800 Message-ID: <864434907DE0E9429B16AD587941F73F077DEAE7@EXVBE010-2.exch010.intermedia.net> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Online gig spam Thread-Index: AcunhGXcNz4CZduvQs2eL9lDNBhHfAAAId0A References: From: "Andy Owens" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2010 18:37:28.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[71E50890:01CBA787] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:37:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBA787.576756FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Matt, can you give us not in the know here some input as to what we need to connect to cafenoodle, is it all live streamed, what's the best way to do that? =20 From: Matt Stevens [mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Online gig spam =20 in about 45 mins - apologies i should have said uk times =20 Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com =20 =20 On 29 Dec 2010, at 18:13, Matt Stevens wrote: Live streaming online at http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com/ =20 7pm Matt Stevens 8pm Chrissie Caulfield 9pm Rare Bear 10pm Stephen Goodman =20 3 out of 4 livelooping :) If anyone would like to perform at the venue in 2011 please get in touch :) =20 Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBA787.576756FF Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Matt, can you give us not in the know here some input as to = what we need to connect to cafenoodle, is it all live streamed, = what’s the best way to do that?

 

From:= = Matt Stevens [mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com]
Sent: = Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:15 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Online gig = spam

 

in about 45 = mins - apologies i should have said uk times

 

Matt Stevens

www.mattstevensguitar.com

 



 

On = 29 Dec 2010, at 18:13, Matt Stevens wrote:



Live streaming online at http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com/
7pm Matt Stevens
8pm Chrissie Caulfield
9pm Rare Bear
10pm = Stephen Goodman

 

3 out of 4 livelooping :) If anyone = would like to perform at the venue in 2011 please get in touch = :)

 

Matt = Stevens

www.mattstevensguitar.com

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------_=_NextPart_001_01CBA787.576756FF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 18:38:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6886E18348F; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: EHX 2880 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:37:36 -0800 Message-ID: <864434907DE0E9429B16AD587941F73F077DEAE9@EXVBE010-2.exch010.intermedia.net> In-Reply-To: <1103ED11-53B1-4E71-98E7-ABB8915C420F@charter.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EHX 2880 Thread-Index: Acungnqjz1Aur72XQgyfMNBnaAjHSQAAqHRA References: <20101229155304.04CA9183483@hemlock.violacea.com> <3F74357C-CD54-454D-9540-2242FEC62328@kliklak.net> <1103ED11-53B1-4E71-98E7-ABB8915C420F@charter.net> From: "Andy Owens" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2010 18:38:29.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[9638A7B0:01CBA787] Resent-Message-ID: <-EIiLB.A.ZbE.mA4GNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Just wondering why you don't here much about the 2880 in here, looks pretty cool.....;)))> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 18:57:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A50918348E; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=AWf5NQHYErDjb7XjveaU0v7qYVOdx2GewmU9r16IBkH9/sPaOtrEL+mK24DFnKPn; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1103ED11-53B1-4E71-98E7-ABB8915C420F@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:57:09 -0800 References: <20101229155304.04CA9183483@hemlock.violacea.com> <3F74357C-CD54-454D-9540-2242FEC62328@kliklak.net> <1103ED11-53B1-4E71-98E7-ABB8915C420F@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec791b2d8e70fd3e28d0495aa37e59d0d424350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 97.90.119.204 Resent-Message-ID: <2cmb8B.A.u9E.HS4GNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Details please! (Or a link if you already have=85) thanks! dpc On Dec 29, 2010, at 10:01 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > Since september, I've sold off about $3K worth of gear on Ebay and =20 > elsewhere with the intent of migrating my future guitar-looping and =20= > effecting over to my MacBook Pro and some "fewer" pedals. > > I purchased a few things and found them not all they were cracked up =20= > to be . . . and sent them back for refunds. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 19:41:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E13F183487; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Q3o/m64sbU+vIt5r3Npj1bNPIhC7jfKSg01XT0SIErP/mFyzM3+t3zS3xyf9Xn9w; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <864434907DE0E9429B16AD587941F73F077DEAE9@EXVBE010-2.exch010.intermedia.ne t> References: <20101229155304.04CA9183483@hemlock.violacea.com> <3F74357C-CD54-454D-9540-2242FEC62328@kliklak.net> <1103ED11-53B1-4E71-98E7-ABB8915C420F@charter.net> <864434907DE0E9429B16AD587941F73F077DEAE9@EXVBE010-2.exch010.intermedia.ne t> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:40:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: EHX 2880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec795c9fcff127917a0d6db30638bd20b763350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:41:09 +0000 (UTC) There is a lot of info in the archives.. it's an amazing thing.. the only looper I know that has physical knobs for pitch, feedback and level... >Just wondering why you don't here much about the 2880 in here, looks >pretty cool.....;)))> -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 20:18:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45C4818348E; 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boundary=Apple-Mail-4--333400536 Message-Id: <51F2CB28-155B-446B-BFB6-5FD461AF4A81@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Online gig spam Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:18:15 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:18:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--333400536 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed The idea of connecting to Cafenoodle is to build the community thru =20 the entire night's performance as each act's audience crosses over - =20 thats the plan - the community is the most important bit - the people =20= who are online are amazing - wonderful people who love new music from =20= all over the world. Normally we stream by ustream - its really easy =20 to set up :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 29 Dec 2010, at 18:36, Andy Owens wrote: > Thanks Matt, can you give us not in the know here some input as to =20 > what we need to connect to cafenoodle, is it all live streamed, =20 > what=92s the best way to do that? > > From: Matt Stevens [mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Online gig spam > > in about 45 mins - apologies i should have said uk times > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > On 29 Dec 2010, at 18:13, Matt Stevens wrote: > > > Live streaming online at http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com/ > > 7pm Matt Stevens > 8pm Chrissie Caulfield > 9pm Rare Bear > 10pm Stephen Goodman > > 3 out of 4 livelooping :) If anyone would like to perform at the =20 > venue in 2011 please get in touch :) > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > --Apple-Mail-4--333400536 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 The idea of connecting to Cafenoodle is to build the community thru the = entire night's performance as each act's audience crosses over - thats = the plan - the community is the most important bit - the people who are = online are amazing - wonderful people who love new music from all over = the world.  Normally we stream by ustream - its really easy to set = up :)

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 29 Dec 2010, = at 18:36, Andy Owens wrote:

Thanks Matt, can you give us not = in the know here some input as to what we need to connect to cafenoodle, = is it all live streamed, what=92s the best way to do = that?
From: Matt Stevens [mailto:mattstevensguitar@= btinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, = 2010 1:15 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject: Re: Online gig = spam
in about 45 mins - apologies i = should have said uk times
Matt = Stevens


 http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com/

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8pm Chrissie Caulfield
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Matt Stevens
X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A306) From: Fabio_A Subject: Re: So, what new gear did Santa bring Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:44:41 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:45:10 +0000 (UTC) tEd =C2=AE KiLLiAn ha scritto: > Unfortunately, the migration is only half-way finished. >=20 > Most of the software I intend to use is in place, and most of the controll= ers (though I have not mastered any of them yet). >=20 > I still need to acquire an adequately high-quality audio interface though .= . . which is going to cost me dearly. >=20 > What's needed most of all is some "face-time" with an expert who can teach= me quickly how to adapt and make music with all this. Looking for an expert ? No need for a "face time" teatcher. I can suggest you a community of skilled and helpful persons that's called L= ooper's delight :-) Trust me, buy a good audio interface and start doing something. I'm sure all= of your questions will find an answer. > As for the real meaning of the season, we spent the usual time at church a= nd invited over an older couple who had no other family or place to go for t= he holiday. You are a very good man, Ted. I'm moved by that. >=20 > Not much, as regards to the spirit of Christmas, but sometimes all you can= do is all you can do . . . and then my wife's mother passed away the next d= ay. >=20 > Maybe the Universe it trying to tell me something. >=20 > I guess I must be hard of hearing (LOL), because I keep trying=20 My condolence for the recent lost, Ted. Maybe the meaning is difficult in itself. Keep hearing >=20 > Cheers, and happy new year! >=20 > Best, Best wishes to you and your family -f >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 21:33:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD455183492; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 39790.25654.bm@omp1017.mail.ird.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=CBG0S06zHkFdMWSK+uqq9i9XMIju6qHeNVr7fcVsq8H9JpAgoO0n2KDfrCsMzJj3SNaGtUtPwD641s9b4EaXBewG5mIupGKB7nxzfOoGSbTFTqDpWbP7U42u5VAgDvMw05TbtCAkWm9ADbICpxiEYVwMA3sMf0rCaOT61HUHa+c= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1293658432; bh=5DG2kJMl2AgubDZa7lrQ5d+69Y1kYrUQH2N8Dv9vDuw=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=SpOgfJfF75jYQ4KkH1bLx6jOODC1iqgZBJBVprQa26a2ciseNE2ygG0jdEsNKlMOvL+41C+Yjj3FeKp9+keFK+QPShoU1NO/z2X5ftC3mIt0BUkNcdO4fNXriv5oqWIto8u7C9zVfwfX1DzqG1ShNstyfwlxCDyrLuVCyguEPB8= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: 8xoZgs0VM1mMfu9h4r5mPymTftBJ1Fi4FYFGoQ5IEAs0kNs q_a0ku90lD1xbY8CSZsJ5jEgb3KN0.krIiaKyrY9E1cSaG_WYOYfMs7zMw97 Q0UTmCgZa6Etrpa5d3GntYmWW1AhE69InlNNth3e2pL_lyq7QVSRsvjR9UEZ z0Bkj3Okl8A13YDZSi9U_N2GPHFRKG4NXBXfvOHNtEv8vCVWLa0YdwILz8qk rKSOfFkuauXjPEA3SJF0YRQkiBnmdVrkCST1GQe_d5_1HMVTHZC1ktYH5GTn gbeS4INvG2jXXl7zIcGw.ixQNO5wKBxs- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <4D18E3CC.2050501@cruzio.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--328869001 Message-Id: <0A90990B-B56F-4E27-A287-802272B072F7@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: OT - Mahavishnu live footage Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:33:47 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:33:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--328869001 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed cool bit on modes @ th front :) http://www.amazon.com/John-McLaughlin- Mahavishnu-Orchestra-Scores/dp/0739042556/ref=sr_1_2? s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1293658400&sr=1-2 Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 29 Dec 2010, at 12:17, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Matt -> What is the book called? > > 2010/12/27 Rick Walker > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > But, as Michael remarked, John seems to have > always been truly sincere inside all that; the attitude to music > making as a prayer is something I totally agree with. When watching > Johns activities from a distance against the background of "the > general sheep mob" one could easily take him for one of them. I had > similar bugs, back in the days (luckily such narrow perspectives > washed off by time), regarding Carlos Santana when he too showed up > "dressed in that Indian night shirt". > John and Carlos were both very serious devotees of the Indian Hindu > guru, Sri Chinmoy. > I never got that they took it lightly or that they were being trendy. > > McLaughlin's devotee name was Mahavishnu John McLaughlin, > Santana's was Devadip Carlos Santana for a while > and my brother and I always referred to him as DoubleDip Carlos > Santana > (ahhhhhh, immaturity!!!!) > > rick walker > > > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ > http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen > http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen > http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ > --------------------------------------------------- > "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert > Fripp- > --------------------------------------------------- > "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must > lead." -Charles Bukowski- > --Apple-Mail-8--328869001 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII cool bit on modes @ th front :) http://www.amazon.com/John-McLaughlin-Mahavishnu-Orchestra-Sco= res/dp/0739042556/ref=3Dsr_1_2?s=3Dbooks&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D129365840= 0&sr=3D1-2
Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 29 Dec 2010, = at 12:17, Petri Lahtinen wrote:

Matt -> = What is the book called?

2010/12/27 = Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
=
On = 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
But, as Michael remarked, John seems to = have
always been truly sincere inside all that; the attitude to = music
making as a prayer is something I totally agree with. =  When watching
Johns activities from a distance against the = background of "the
general sheep mob" one could easily take him for = one of them. I had
similar bugs, back in the days (luckily such = narrow perspectives
washed off by time), regarding Carlos Santana = when he too showed up
"dressed in that Indian night shirt".
=
John and Carlos were both very serious devotees of the = Indian Hindu guru, Sri Chinmoy.
I never got that they took it = lightly or that they were being trendy.

McLaughlin's devotee = name was Mahavishnu John McLaughlin,
Santana's was Devadip Carlos = Santana for a while
and my brother and I always referred to him as = DoubleDip Carlos Santana
(ahhhhhh,  immaturity!!!!)

rick walker

=



--
Petri = Lahtinen
http://www.petrilahtinen.com
http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/
http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen
http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
= ---------------------------------------------------
"Only become = professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert = Fripp-
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"Some = people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." = -Charles Bukowski-


= --Apple-Mail-8--328869001-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 22:04:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33873183492; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:04:27 UTC Message-ID: From: "Ingo Ito" To: Subject: Sustainer Question Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:56:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01FD_01CBA7AB.A7E59BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:04:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01FD_01CBA7AB.A7E59BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, maybe this is a bit off topic for looping, but I could imagine that some = of you might have this equipment and could give me some information or = recommendation. Short while ago I bought a Fernandes "Ravelle" guitar (Les Paul type of = guitar) equipped with a Sustainer pickup for doing ambient live-looping. = I changed the strings to my regular brand and gauge I=B4m using on all = my electric guitars: D'Addario EXL110 (.010, .013, .017, .026, .036, = .046), but I=B4m not happy with the result for the Sustainer. The high = e-string is not responding well (very slow attack) and when doing chords = (only the fingering - to let the sound come "out of nowhere") not all = strings are responding evenly, destroying the character of the chord. I already tried adjustments of the pickup, the bridge and the pots on = the Sustainer board inside the guitar (as recommended on the Fernandes = website), but there=B4s no real improvement. So I thought, maybe it=B4s the strings?! Any recommendations by = Sustainer users? Different material or maybe different gauges? I=B4ve read, that Adrian Belew is using a "thin&thick" set of strings on = his Parker guitar, and as he=B4s using a Sustainiac system. I might give = this set a try as well. So any help or information is very much appreciated as always :-) And besides, Happy New Looping Year! Ingo Ito www.itofarm.com www.zenhanami.bandcamp.com ------=_NextPart_000_01FD_01CBA7AB.A7E59BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everybody,
 
maybe this is a bit off topic for = looping, but I=20 could imagine that some of you might have this equipment and could give = me some=20 information or recommendation.
 
Short while ago I bought a Fernandes = "Ravelle"=20 guitar (Les Paul type of guitar) equipped with a Sustainer pickup for = doing=20 ambient live-looping. I changed the strings to my regular brand and = gauge I=B4m=20 using on all my electric guitars: D'Addario=20 EXL110 (.010, .013, .017, .026, .036, .046), but I=B4m not happy with = the result=20 for the Sustainer. The high e-string is not responding well (very slow = attack)=20 and when doing chords (only the fingering - to let the sound come "out = of=20 nowhere") not all strings are responding evenly, destroying the = character of the=20 chord.
 
I already tried adjustments of the = pickup, the=20 bridge and the pots on the Sustainer board inside the guitar (as = recommended on=20 the Fernandes website), but there=B4s no real improvement.
 
So I thought, maybe it=B4s the = strings?! Any=20 recommendations by Sustainer users? Different material or maybe = different=20 gauges?
I=B4ve read, that Adrian Belew is using = a=20 "thin&thick" set of strings on his Parker guitar, and as he=B4s = using a=20 Sustainiac system. I might give this set a try as well.
 
So any help or information is very much = appreciated=20 as always :-)
 
And besides, Happy New Looping = Year!
 
Ingo Ito
 
 
www.itofarm.com
www.zenhanami.bandcamp.com=
 
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cXVvdGU+PC9kaXY+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2PjwvYmxvY2txdW90ZT48L2JvZHk+PC9odG1sPg== --Apple-Mail-11--326993730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 22:14:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9999B18349B; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GCLHis3qWDR1NzrkQ6NQDA)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=5 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012290098 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-29_11:2010-12-29,2010-12-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Sustainer Question Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:14:48 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:14:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_GCLHis3qWDR1NzrkQ6NQDA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The Moog guitar uses some magnetic technology like the Sustainer. There = are special strings for the Moog guitar, so perhaps changing your = strings might have changed the response you get. toby ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ingo Ito=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:56 PM Subject: Sustainer Question Hi everybody, maybe this is a bit off topic for looping, but I could imagine that = some of you might have this equipment and could give me some information = or recommendation. Short while ago I bought a Fernandes "Ravelle" guitar (Les Paul type = of guitar) equipped with a Sustainer pickup for doing ambient = live-looping. I changed the strings to my regular brand and gauge I=B4m = using on all my electric guitars: D'Addario EXL110 (.010, .013, .017, = .026, .036, .046), but I=B4m not happy with the result for the = Sustainer. The high e-string is not responding well (very slow attack) = and when doing chords (only the fingering - to let the sound come "out = of nowhere") not all strings are responding evenly, destroying the = character of the chord. I already tried adjustments of the pickup, the bridge and the pots on = the Sustainer board inside the guitar (as recommended on the Fernandes = website), but there=B4s no real improvement. So I thought, maybe it=B4s the strings?! Any recommendations by = Sustainer users? Different material or maybe different gauges? I=B4ve read, that Adrian Belew is using a "thin&thick" set of strings = on his Parker guitar, and as he=B4s using a Sustainiac system. I might = give this set a try as well. So any help or information is very much appreciated as always :-) And besides, Happy New Looping Year! Ingo Ito www.itofarm.com www.zenhanami.bandcamp.com --Boundary_(ID_GCLHis3qWDR1NzrkQ6NQDA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
The Moog guitar uses some magnetic = technology like=20 the Sustainer.  There are special strings for the Moog guitar, so = perhaps=20 changing your strings might have changed the response you = get.
 
toby
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ingo Ito=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, = 2010 1:56=20 PM
Subject: Sustainer = Question

Hi everybody,
 
maybe this is a bit off topic for = looping, but I=20 could imagine that some of you might have this equipment and could = give me=20 some information or recommendation.
 
Short while ago I bought a Fernandes = "Ravelle"=20 guitar (Les Paul type of guitar) equipped with a Sustainer pickup for = doing=20 ambient live-looping. I changed the strings to my regular brand and = gauge I=B4m=20 using on all my electric guitars: D'Addario=20 EXL110 (.010, .013, .017, .026, .036, .046), but I=B4m not happy with = the result=20 for the Sustainer. The high e-string is not responding well (very slow = attack)=20 and when doing chords (only the fingering - to let the sound come "out = of=20 nowhere") not all strings are responding evenly, destroying the = character of=20 the chord.
 
I already tried adjustments of the = pickup, the=20 bridge and the pots on the Sustainer board inside the guitar (as = recommended=20 on the Fernandes website), but there=B4s no real = improvement.
 
So I thought, maybe it=B4s the = strings?! Any=20 recommendations by Sustainer users? Different material or maybe = different=20 gauges?
I=B4ve read, that Adrian Belew is = using a=20 "thin&thick" set of strings on his Parker guitar, and as he=B4s = using a=20 Sustainiac system. I might give this set a try as well.
 
So any help or information is very = much=20 appreciated as always :-)
 
And besides, Happy New Looping = Year!
 
Ingo Ito
 
 
www.itofarm.com
www.zenhanami.bandcamp.com=
 
--Boundary_(ID_GCLHis3qWDR1NzrkQ6NQDA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 22:46:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D883183499; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1b/4iWxJtIKfZnHETokmN956nQhdF3YcGNzy2ljMDSs=; b=VWuvtnQhIEhHwEFRLz91KTTvqHyJ994LBD28CaIitPMX/4mY+DK7x6KnHCapY1zUy2 or1oB3NKmWt6X12iwtQbjb09P7arrImvYOz+frx9iJ+34gZfBJlX1CXog/RlHV83F5Gl UfyEu37rgj/R0H+kGayToh22eMosfVt7tc8WY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=eJZv42jhD542+QKA1+pvRLsW3tgcZ2DfndT2rp2HS13YLJAqFFWifdvXmmMsezwGTK 6aINHwSwrItKxU6TuSU4Sm3WJVOxrix/tY0Du6KkDCjEejsXo7WgH7zYdAZInXOs/M1j rJDnhIai5ZOR6+DWiiB/JxxnOl/8HoA08HcnM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:46:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sustainer Question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Have you tried with thicker strings compensated by tuning down? My experience with ebow has proven that a good way. However, since the Fernandes doesn't have six sustainers, one for each string, there will always be one overtone that takes over when a chord is played and sustained. Works like acoustic feedback. Maybe you can research what strings are fastest to "take over" and learn to "half-mute" them with some soft material close to the bridge. Just slowing them down a bit so the sustainer gets a chance to work the slower strings (like your thin E). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Ingo Ito wrote: > Fernandes Sustainer. The high e-string is not responding well (very slow attack) and > when doing chords (only the fingering - to let the sound come "out of > nowhere") not all strings are responding evenly, destroying the character of > the chord. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 22:51:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FB7718349F; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Sustainer Question References: From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <943667FE-E20A-4887-B699-9ADE0CC9B862@1800dialword.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:50:06 -0500 thread-topic: Sustainer Question thread-index: AcunquD5LeMadWVsQxO9STWYAkUXhw== To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2010 22:51:09.0344 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2512A00:01CBA7AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Or, talk to the previous owner, he might have spent a ton of time dialing it= in and could tell you how he had it before you changed it.=20 Andy Owens 1-800-AndyOwens Sent from my iPhone So the typing might not be my best! On Dec 29, 2010, at 5:46 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > Have you tried with thicker strings compensated by tuning down? My > experience with ebow has proven that a good way. However, since the > Fernandes doesn't have six sustainers, one for each string, there will > always be one overtone that takes over when a chord is played and > sustained. Works like acoustic feedback. Maybe you can research what > strings are fastest to "take over" and learn to "half-mute" them with > some soft material close to the bridge. Just slowing them down a bit > so the sustainer gets a chance to work the slower strings (like your > thin E). >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Ingo Ito wrote: >> Fernandes Sustainer. The high e-string is not responding well (very slow a= ttack) and >> when doing chords (only the fingering - to let the sound come "out of >> nowhere") not all strings are responding evenly, destroying the character= of >> the chord. >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 23:03:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6256F1834A7; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+aOuepe037Ar7p/7p/b/Y+cWnOVzENMpBzhxZOgm3ng=; b=PBFlmN3ZIoAmDFN9rB45KLY5NcS6Nk8Wjjabja7h5/3vhRNiwVvMo0eBqt2wJ+xrvp U1RKWLcLxXd5oyjaCb2RcuCuAgVMm9guR714lXKuPR5Nr7O7hrtwkJ/cqZCCmYiqm1qY sBIZFDtBiC3SoM88WDYQtjJiKP+OhTrut8nhQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=CoJ3UjdRl2mxRfhJmVY3ulcwLC+/Uxq7OR1JZ07axK8c8T6t0KaWz5GnUv3Gc5wOK4 mzwMEJr/GtEP9gdT2LZtKH0zcQdJOF+FGRomMvXslXsHgOg4+X6WxCUbylSMiXoRI197 dWJR0NBqHzBkvRtGfYtX9oDEf2S6vjZs38tmc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4D1520CD.404@cruzio.com> <4D1B532F.1000007@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:03:01 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Musical discoveries of 2010 From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Mine: --Slaraffenland: Danish post-rock band. CD "Private Cinema" is excellent. --Boss Hoss: German country band that covers pop songs. They're on youtube. Check out "Hot in Herre", "Word Up" and "Hey Ya" --Blue Water White Death: kind of a droney folkey thing with pretty vocals. Short but well-put together album. --Lumper-Splitter: Actually a great cd with guitarists Lucio Menegon and Joe Rut. Possible list members? --Geinoh Yamashirogumi: Japanese modern multi-cultural music ensemble. They did the soundtrack to Akira, but their 1974 album "Oresuzan" (or something like that) combines scary psychedelic music with Kabuki, monkey chant and Tibetan throat singing. --Elephant9: Norweigan 3 piece instrumental prog band - similar to ELP without the moog. --Dawid Szczesny: Polish computer musician who uses jazz samples, but it sounds like a very old radiator heating up or a rube goldberg machine. --Far East Family Band: mid 70s Japanese psychedelia --Indian Bottom Association: a Baptist church group that sings in "Lined out hymnody" - very intense! --Cumbia Digitale (that's a genre name): Got a great comp of electronic cumbia from ZZK records. (It's the volume 1.) Followed up on an artist named Chancha Via Circuito, and their cd was also good. --Mercury Rev: Got back to listening to this band I loved in high school. "Boces" album is top notch early 90s alternative. "Snowflake Midnight" is much newer, a bit more sterile and a bit more cheesy with songs about innocence, but I still like it. --Uusitalo/Caribou: I usually don't like 4-on-the-floor techno, but these albums did it in a really creative way. Uusitalo is an alias of Vladislav Delay. --krautrock: In general, listening to a lot more krautrock this year. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 29 23:53:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5B421834A3; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jYVrB/woc1rdV7+85tij6lTnYPCQNeB+sT2G/Sp0Vko=; b=wbyTwybPW71yywG7/UI++yssrhYzM1zYpHOin8LxOBKr7lE7javNCubSzi5G8D7VJw JqPGpFVfWtexDKTWmR3NhimGK+P6kZVp28ZI45wBJi9cylBvERjNhR6dF+JpfSy9hOWb c810v4rdRSZbKKp60TGAP/0/lgY4NaJ3o1Poc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jdJlg4fzZS6Pch9jbNxkj2BykSq1ufW6BYQPLefxvxZ0IN0LQZKD7nS09j5rrgO8kY HuRz6AI9fcT3JpXotoiLyO0zacp7Fq/qFVaiiZ2lFA2HnRscV6A4Xoi/AK4cLmhzpBEc 9YVKZTLXRei79bIYSmwn5YX5ed53lnLIg9sAo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:53:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sustainer Question From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:53:13 +0000 (UTC) I have 3 sustainer equipped Fernandes. The gauge of the strings should not make much difference. I recently switched from 09's to D'Addario EXL110's also with no problems. The main thing with the sustainers is the closeness to the strings if the unit is set up right. Also the neck sustainer and the bridge HB pickup work together on these systems so it also needs to be setup the way you want it in relation to your prefs. Heavier strings would seem to need more energy to vibrate but I generally have the pickups lower on the bottom to get the volume/sustainer response even. In reality the thin strings need to be closer to the pickup in my experience. With the sustainer off does the high E ring as long as it should? It seems strange that just that string gives you problems. The sustainer is not a separate pickup for each string like the Moog (I think) or a midi pickup would be. Also it works with chords but in a limited way, it's not really a polyphonic device, well it is but not, in that one frequency will always dominate after a bit. So check the offending string for natural sustain and make sure it's not binding or fretting out and remember the neck and bridge pickups work together. You might try a lighter string but I have not noticed any problems going heavier. Oh, and check the battery! These things eat some 9 v's!! good luck, Jeff On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Ingo Ito wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > maybe this is a bit off topic for looping, but I could imagine that some = of you might have this equipment and could give me some information or reco= mmendation. > > Short while ago I bought a Fernandes "Ravelle" guitar (Les Paul type of g= uitar) equipped with a Sustainer pickup for doing ambient live-looping. I c= hanged the strings to my regular brand and gauge I=B4m using on all my elec= tric guitars: D'Addario EXL110 (.010, .013, .017, .026, .036, .046), but I= =B4m not happy with the result for the Sustainer. The high e-string is not = responding well (very slow attack) and when doing chords (only the fingerin= g - to let the sound come "out of nowhere") not all strings are responding = evenly, destroying the character of the chord. > > I already tried adjustments of the pickup, the bridge and the pots on the= Sustainer board inside the guitar (as recommended on the Fernandes website= ), but there=B4s no real improvement. > > So I thought, maybe it=B4s the strings?! Any recommendations by Sustainer= users? Different material or maybe different gauges? > I=B4ve read, that Adrian Belew is using a "thin&thick" set of strings on = his Parker guitar, and as he=B4s using a Sustainiac system. I might give th= is set a try as well. > > So any help or information is very much appreciated as always :-) > > And besides, Happy New Looping Year! > > Ingo Ito > > > www.itofarm.com > www.zenhanami.bandcamp.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 00:30:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 102E41834A3; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C43E7270C4842D8AD781A1C8113D2C4@INGO> From: "Ingo Ito" To: "Per Boysen" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Sustainer Question Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 01:21:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01CBA7BF.E163B030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:30:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CBA7BF.E163B030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Per, I had used an e-bow for a long time and it always had worked well with = the D'Addario Strings, that=C2=B4s why I started with these strings for = the Sustainer as well. I already have my guitars tuned down to E flat, = but I stayed with .010 for the "loose feeling" - maybe I try thicker = strings. I just replied to another post (which you will probably read) that I = found some information about strings to use with the Moog guitar - that = seems interesting and helpful. But you=C2=B4re right - all new equipment needs some time of = experimenting and time to get used to. So I=C2=B4ll have to play even = more ;-) . But to maybe dampen some of the strings is a nice idea, too. = Thanks! Cheers Ingo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Per Boysen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:46 PM Subject: Re: Sustainer Question Have you tried with thicker strings compensated by tuning down? My experience with ebow has proven that a good way. However, since the Fernandes doesn't have six sustainers, one for each string, there will always be one overtone that takes over when a chord is played and sustained. Works like acoustic feedback. Maybe you can research what strings are fastest to "take over" and learn to "half-mute" them with some soft material close to the bridge. Just slowing them down a bit so the sustainer gets a chance to work the slower strings (like your thin E). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Ingo Ito = wrote: > Fernandes Sustainer. The high e-string is not responding well (very = slow attack) and > when doing chords (only the fingering - to let the sound come "out = of > nowhere") not all strings are responding evenly, destroying the = character of > the chord. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CBA7BF.E163B030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Per,
 
I had used an e-bow for a long time and = it always=20 had worked well with the D'Addario Strings, that=C2=B4s why I started = with these=20 strings for the Sustainer as well. I already have my guitars tuned down = to E=20 flat, but I stayed with .010 for the "loose feeling" - maybe I try = thicker=20 strings.
 
I just replied to another post (which = you will=20 probably read) that I found some information about strings to use = with the=20 Moog guitar - that seems interesting and helpful.
 
But you=C2=B4re right - all new = equipment needs some=20 time of experimenting and time to get used to. So I=C2=B4ll have to play = even more=20 ;-) . But to maybe dampen some of the strings is a nice idea, too.=20 Thanks!
 
Cheers
 
Ingo
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Per = Boysen=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, = 2010 11:46=20 PM
Subject: Re: Sustainer = Question

Have you tried with thicker strings compensated by = tuning down?=20 My
experience with ebow has proven that a good way. However, since=20 the
Fernandes doesn't have six sustainers, one for each string, = there=20 will
always be one overtone that takes over when a chord is played=20 and
sustained. Works like acoustic feedback. Maybe you can research = what
strings are fastest to "take over" and learn to "half-mute" = them=20 with
some soft material close to the bridge. Just slowing them down = a=20 bit
so the sustainer gets a chance to work the slower strings (like = your
thin E).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music=20 hub



On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Ingo Ito <ingoito@itofarm.com> = wrote:
>=20 Fernandes Sustainer. The high e-string is not responding well (very = slow=20 attack) and
> when doing chords (only the fingering - to let the = sound=20 come "out of
> nowhere") not all strings are responding evenly,=20 destroying the character of
> the = chord.
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CBA7BF.E163B030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 00:30:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A4561834AC; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <650335DB47DA412A94D379FB1789333A@INGO> From: "Ingo Ito" To: "Toby G" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Sustainer Question Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 01:22:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01CBA7BF.F9D3CAB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:30:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CBA7BF.F9D3CAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Toby, thanks for this thought. I checked at the Moog website and they do = indeed recommend a certain type of strings for the Moog guitar. Apart = from their own brand (what a surprise ;-) ) they do recommend GHS = "Infinity Steel" Medium and a brand called Aurora Strings (which are = hard to find at regular shops here). I compared the GHS strings to my D'Addario and the interesting fact is, = that the EXL110 D'Addario are nickel plated steel, while the GHS are = stainless steel. That might be a reason for a difference for the = Sustainer system. I will give the GHS a try and if there was an = improvement, I will post the results. It seems that the gauge of the strings seem to be of less importance, as = Moog is offering 3 different types of gauge sets themselves (.009 to = .012 for high e-string and .046 to .052 for low e-string). Cheers Ingo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Toby G=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:14 PM Subject: Re: Sustainer Question The Moog guitar uses some magnetic technology like the Sustainer. = There are special strings for the Moog guitar, so perhaps changing your = strings might have changed the response you get. toby ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ingo Ito=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:56 PM Subject: Sustainer Question Hi everybody, maybe this is a bit off topic for looping, but I could imagine that = some of you might have this equipment and could give me some information = or recommendation. Short while ago I bought a Fernandes "Ravelle" guitar (Les Paul type = of guitar) equipped with a Sustainer pickup for doing ambient = live-looping. I changed the strings to my regular brand and gauge I=B4m = using on all my electric guitars: D'Addario EXL110 (.010, .013, .017, = .026, .036, .046), but I=B4m not happy with the result for the = Sustainer. The high e-string is not responding well (very slow attack) = and when doing chords (only the fingering - to let the sound come "out = of nowhere") not all strings are responding evenly, destroying the = character of the chord. I already tried adjustments of the pickup, the bridge and the pots = on the Sustainer board inside the guitar (as recommended on the = Fernandes website), but there=B4s no real improvement. So I thought, maybe it=B4s the strings?! Any recommendations by = Sustainer users? Different material or maybe different gauges? I=B4ve read, that Adrian Belew is using a "thin&thick" set of = strings on his Parker guitar, and as he=B4s using a Sustainiac system. I = might give this set a try as well. So any help or information is very much appreciated as always :-) And besides, Happy New Looping Year! Ingo Ito www.itofarm.com www.zenhanami.bandcamp.com ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CBA7BF.F9D3CAB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Toby,
 
thanks for this thought. I checked at = the Moog=20 website and they do indeed recommend a certain type of strings for the = Moog=20 guitar. Apart from their own brand (what a surprise ;-) ) they do = recommend=20 GHS "Infinity Steel" Medium and a brand called Aurora Strings (which are = hard to=20 find at regular shops here).
 
I compared the GHS strings to my = D'Addario and the=20 interesting fact is, that the EXL110 D'Addario are nickel plated steel, = while=20 the GHS are stainless steel. That might be a reason for a difference for = the=20 Sustainer system. I will give the GHS a try and if there was an = improvement, I=20 will post the results.
 
It seems that the gauge of the strings = seem to be=20 of less importance, as Moog is offering 3 different types of gauge sets=20 themselves (.009 to .012 for high e-string and .046 to .052 for low=20 e-string).
 
Cheers
 
Ingo
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Toby G =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, = 2010 11:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: Sustainer = Question

The Moog guitar uses some magnetic = technology=20 like the Sustainer.  There are special strings for the Moog = guitar, so=20 perhaps changing your strings might have changed the response you=20 get.
 
toby
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ingo Ito=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, = 2010 1:56=20 PM
Subject: Sustainer = Question

Hi everybody,
 
maybe this is a bit off topic for = looping, but=20 I could imagine that some of you might have this equipment and could = give me=20 some information or recommendation.
 
Short while ago I bought a = Fernandes "Ravelle"=20 guitar (Les Paul type of guitar) equipped with a Sustainer pickup = for doing=20 ambient live-looping. I changed the strings to my regular brand and = gauge=20 I=B4m using on all my electric guitars: D'Addario EXL110 (.010, .013, .017, .026, .036, .046), = but I=B4m=20 not happy with the result for the Sustainer. The high e-string is = not=20 responding well (very slow attack) and when doing chords (only the = fingering=20 - to let the sound come "out of nowhere") not all strings are = responding=20 evenly, destroying the character of the chord.
 
I already tried adjustments of the = pickup, the=20 bridge and the pots on the Sustainer board inside the guitar (as = recommended=20 on the Fernandes website), but there=B4s no real = improvement.
 
So I thought, maybe it=B4s the = strings?! Any=20 recommendations by Sustainer users? Different material or maybe = different=20 gauges?
I=B4ve read, that Adrian Belew is = using a=20 "thin&thick" set of strings on his Parker guitar, and as he=B4s = using a=20 Sustainiac system. I might give this set a try as well.
 
So any help or information is very = much=20 appreciated as always :-)
 
And besides, Happy New Looping=20 Year!
 
Ingo Ito
 
 
www.itofarm.com
www.zenhanami.bandcamp.com=
 
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CBA7BF.F9D3CAB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 01:41:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F00A41834A3; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 01:41:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XE84R8WCtH/3rQ9kEpwI7+q1b8Qh3iDraTKkc6AjwCTwgaGr26Yc4jsWy62aNAX8; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: <26BBD116-F5C6-4169-897C-62813F588D7D@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: iphone music app recommendations Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:40:58 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7955432808e6ef9a21468a0ae7888318a3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 97.90.119.204 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 01:41:01 +0000 (UTC) Since picking up an iPad (mostly for my wife to browse and email on as =20= her iBook is getting pretty old and useless), I found this list a =20 great starting place (thanks Paul!): On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Here's a list of the ones I'd recommend (organized into categories) =20= > and have used in performance situations (3GS (4.2.1) iPhone to =20 > volume pedal to looper): > > TOOLS: > iStrobeSoft - tuner > > RECORDERS: > iProRecorder > Fire > > PROCESSORS: > SFSsynth (my favorite) > Resonizer > Filtatron (Moog Music) > Otto > > AMBIENT (for creating pads etc.) > Droneo > KepplersOrrery > Aura > Aura Flux > > PERCUSSION: > PanDrumFull > TongueDrum > Bowls (nice for pads) > MandalaMuOdd:Hang > > THERIMEN: > Cosmovox > BeBot (despite the goofy interface) > > NOISY (staticky/ glitchy stuff): > Space > iGlendyne > aardvark > Sonic Wire > modAxis Free > > INSTRUMENTS: > ThumbJam (will loop onboard instruments or incoming audio) > Morphwiz > Gayageum > Bubble Harp > Zen Music > Musical DNA > Noise.io Pro (great synth but too much learning curve for me - =20 > though Amidio apps are great) > > VISUALIZERS (great for adding music driven visuals) NOTE: these only =20= > send video out on an iPhone 4 or iPad: > iBeams - the best from the standpoint of tweakabillity. Used on an =20= > iPad - out to digital projector onto the wall - worked well. > Audiogasm > Stuff I've discovered since: Out of all those above, I bought and so far love ThumbJam and Morphwiz. Jordan Rudess is the pitchman and sometimes creator of both and he's =20 got impressive YouTube demos: = http://www.google.com/search?hl=3Den&tbs=3Dvid%3A1&q=3Djordan+rudess+ipad&= aq=3Df&aqi=3Dg1&aql=3Df&oq=3D&gs_rfai=3D ThumbJam is very cool on the iPod Touch/iPhone, since it works well =20 one-handed; otherwise the size of the iPad is advantage. I also picked up: Pianist http://moocowmusic.com/ Crystal Synth http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/ NLog Synth http://www.temporubato.com/ The latter two can be driven by my keyboard using an M-Audio Uno =20 interface and the iPad Camera connector. There's at least these several multitrack DAWS: iSequence SynthStation (best buy) Korg iMS-20 nanostudio And some interesting creative interfaces for music and MIDI control: touchOSC http://hexler.net/software/touchosc midipad http://www.midipad.de/Website/Info.html expression pad http://expressionpad.com/index.php PatternMusic MX Seline HD http://amidio.com/ (they have other cool apps) Reactable Sound Scope Space for iPad = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMSSYJCJ1Oy8&fmt=3D18 Hex OSC = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkFGLHhEJpOk&feature=3Drelated&fmt=3D18 Mugician = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoN7sjPYz-aI&feature=3Drelated&fmt=3D18 Pianist Pro - External MIDI Control = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYtbU6UoPKR8&feature=3Drelated&fmt=3D18 Jasuto Pro modular synthesizer synthPond http://apps.stfj.net/synthPond/ And generative stuff I've yet to sample: http://www.generativemusic.com/air.html Budgie = http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/budgie-melody-generator/id368436517?mt=3D8 Mixtikl 12 Track Mixer of Generative Music, Audio MIDI Loops & Live =20 FX = http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mixtikl-12-track-mixer-generative/id3474092= 77?mt=3D8 Aphonium http://itunes.apple.com/au/app/aphonium/id357429007?mt=3D8# Some resources: http://www.metafilter.com/94628/Make-Music-Anywhere http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/11/on-ipad-midi/ http://iosmidi.com/devices/#comment-7 http://www.synthtopia.com/content/tag/ipad-music-software/ and I haven't even looked at the loopers yet; a few: http://www.trapcode-content.com/proloop/ProLoopScreencast.swf http://www.tc-helicon.com/products/voicejam/ http://nanoloop.de/iphone =85deep=85= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 02:04:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 524C11834A3; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 02:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VSZS9EWJjzFJX1XeSZQzckMm4Qw1Sd+k8nJ3bdqWPrU=; b=fBJ6Q0DT7jzOdVvoevTp+BsLf7/yOwX7sJ8+E+DlEKtdCAgU3dh4cFnrB9bpJfJ/A/ Of5dbW8gRru34x8ra4DFnsrji3w1P9kCvl7yJctoy+9CTHMNKHeGQL2ddyBfBsh9zfmu bOBdSsRvltgvNVqkznmVzPVkaEdCWESHSxBG8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=PiXfCcZn3UI8xxqMyhusgIQowsyevXXsyfP+NuS/j1zn8jTswtQ0M2+gDdOtRLosVt MECWtzjlihROUdi125OS1Mvt8jTUobfxMTlTdLl8mz0CgtwkVxdjs9E1BzA64dgSInN7 CMg+mSTFIs6Toc2Ituf4pipToOfS0nUAtwAC8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6C8AD51C-7699-4EC1-B807-789E19F0173B@1800dialword.com> References: <864434907DE0E9429B16AD587941F73F077DEAE7@EXVBE010-2.exch010.intermedia.net> <51F2CB28-155B-446B-BFB6-5FD461AF4A81@btinternet.com> <6C8AD51C-7699-4EC1-B807-789E19F0173B@1800dialword.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 04:04:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Online gig spam From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a337525caa0498971a73 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 02:04:17 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a337525caa0498971a73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEPZXkvl8cT0 2010/12/30 Andy Owens > Cool, I was just wondering about tech side of connecting, but looking on > ustream looks like you just use webcam, duh!! > > Andy Owens > 1-800-AndyOwens > Sent from my iPhone > So the typing might not be my best! > > > On Dec 29, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Matt Stevens < > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote: > > The idea of connecting to Cafenoodle is to build the community thru the > entire night's performance as each act's audience crosses over - thats th= e > plan - the community is the most important bit - the people who are onlin= e > are amazing - wonderful people who love new music from all over the world= . > Normally we stream by ustream - its really easy to set up :) > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > On 29 Dec 2010, at 18:36, Andy Owens wrote: > > Thanks Matt, can you give us not in the know here some input as to what w= e > need to connect to cafenoodle, is it all live streamed, what=92s the best= way > to do that? > > *From:* Matt Stevens [ > mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > ] > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:15 PM > *To:* > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: Online gig spam > > in about 45 mins - apologies i should have said uk times > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > On 29 Dec 2010, at 18:13, Matt Stevens wrote: > > > Live streaming online at http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com/ > > 7pm Matt Stevens > 8pm Chrissie Caulfield > 9pm Rare Bear > 10pm Stephen Goodman > > 3 out of 4 livelooping :) If anyone would like to perform at the venue in > 2011 please get in touch :) > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > > > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a337525caa0498971a73 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://www= .youtube.com/watch?v=3DEPZXkvl8cT0

20= 10/12/30 Andy Owens <andy@1800dialword.com>
Cool, I was just wondering about tech side of connecting, but = looking on ustream looks like you just use webcam, duh!!

Andy Owens
1-800-AndyOwens
Sent f= rom my iPhone
So the typing might not be my best!

<= /div>

On Dec 29, 201= 0, at 3:18 PM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:<= br>
The idea of connecting to Cafenoodle is to build the community thru the ent= ire night's performance as each act's audience crosses over - thats= the plan - the community is the most important bit - the people who are on= line are amazing - wonderful people who love new music from all over the wo= rld. =A0Normally we stream by ustream - its really easy to set up :)
On 29 Dec 2010, a= t 18:36, Andy Owens wrote:

Thanks Matt, can you give us n= ot in the know here some input as to what we need to connect to cafenoodle,= is it all live streamed, what=92s the best way to do that?
=A0
From:=A0Matt Stevens [mailto:mattstevensguita= r@btinternet.com]=A0
Sent:=A0Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:15 PM
To:<= /b>=A0Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=A0Re: Online gig spam
=
=A0
in about 45 mins - apologies i should have said uk times
=A0
Matt Stevens
www.mattst= evensguitar.com
=A0


=A0
On 29 Dec 2010, at 18:13, Matt Stevens wrote:<= /div>


http://www.c= afenoodle.ning.com/

7pm Matt Stevens
8pm Chrissie Caulfield
9pm Rare Bear
10pm Ste= phen Goodman
=A0
<= /div>
3 out of 4 l= ivelooping :) If anyone would like to perform at the venue in 2011 please g= et in touch :)
=A0




--
Petr= i Lahtinen
ht= tp://www.petrilahtinen.com
http://pet= rilahtinen.blogspot.com/
http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/= PetriLahtinen
http://pet= rilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
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"Only become professional musician if there is no choice.&= quot; -Robert Fripp-
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"Some people ne= ver go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Buko= wski-

--20cf3054a337525caa0498971a73-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 02:18:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CA1C1834A6; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 02:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TWSyqii9IWYm4+ktxJPcCzx+r9/fQLtl8p6CH4ilF1I=; b=Po6xqD/JywbC1neRyM6dQvPMDqXI3rDM4bEkA44hh79vvOp1TfTPmlzb7MixUsGdfX Hj4LV4DoxttH9lt3vs/wYSsUhfNZnHLMH3QGqz2MvSU/PmJecB8lsv4zLniImgMAbqhu ds6s2U7iMevb+bzC9reHU9hCzHTxkgfDKRVc8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UrrxBBqYqi+5P0dipLXIJXyCXAt+HKACsV3enrIHdVDQARCV7N3ZI3txoiwBoo88fF I0Ca93D5+BQYGi0JvdPFrNefsti2r0VTqTfSg/q48vr3JM92N42YWbk2UtaMTn4EPH+H lnxC76G4LmzJ0URMtgyhwvZLocKLnIN1/s4x0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4D1520CD.404@cruzio.com> <4D1B532F.1000007@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 04:18:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Musical discoveries of 2010 From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a66bc84ff60498974c0e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 02:18:24 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a66bc84ff60498974c0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I sighted Uusitalo on your list, a fellow countrymen Sasu Ripatti So Vladislav Delay is an alias of Sasu Ripatti, thats his real name. :-) -Petri- 2010/12/30 Matt Davignon > Mine: > > --Slaraffenland: Danish post-rock band. CD "Private Cinema" is excellent. > --Boss Hoss: German country band that covers pop songs. They're on > youtube. Check out "Hot in Herre", "Word Up" and "Hey Ya" > --Blue Water White Death: kind of a droney folkey thing with pretty > vocals. Short but well-put together album. > --Lumper-Splitter: Actually a great cd with guitarists Lucio Menegon > and Joe Rut. Possible list members? > --Geinoh Yamashirogumi: Japanese modern multi-cultural music ensemble. > They did the soundtrack to Akira, but their 1974 album "Oresuzan" (or > something like that) combines scary psychedelic music with Kabuki, > monkey chant and Tibetan throat singing. > --Elephant9: Norweigan 3 piece instrumental prog band - similar to ELP > without the moog. > --Dawid Szczesny: Polish computer musician who uses jazz samples, but > it sounds like a very old radiator heating up or a rube goldberg > machine. > --Far East Family Band: mid 70s Japanese psychedelia > --Indian Bottom Association: a Baptist church group that sings in > "Lined out hymnody" - very intense! > --Cumbia Digitale (that's a genre name): Got a great comp of > electronic cumbia from ZZK records. (It's the volume 1.) Followed up > on an artist named Chancha Via Circuito, and their cd was also good. > --Mercury Rev: Got back to listening to this band I loved in high > school. "Boces" album is top notch early 90s alternative. "Snowflake > Midnight" is much newer, a bit more sterile and a bit more cheesy with > songs about innocence, but I still like it. > --Uusitalo/Caribou: I usually don't like 4-on-the-floor techno, but > these albums did it in a really creative way. Uusitalo is an alias of > Vladislav Delay. > --krautrock: In general, listening to a lot more krautrock this year. > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a66bc84ff60498974c0e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sighted Uusitalo on your list, a fellow countrymen Sasu Ripatti

So= Vladislav Delay is an alias of Sasu Ripatti, thats his real name.

:= -)

-Petri-

2010/12/30 Matt Davigno= n <mattdavig= non@gmail.com>
Mine:

--Slaraffenland: Danish post-rock band. CD "Private Cinema" is ex= cellent.
--Boss Hoss: German country band that covers pop songs. They're on
youtube. Check out "Hot in Herre", "Word Up" and "= Hey Ya"
--Blue Water White Death: kind of a droney folkey thing with pretty
vocals. Short but well-put together album.
--Lumper-Splitter: Actually a great cd with guitarists Lucio Menegon
and Joe Rut. Possible list members?
--Geinoh Yamashirogumi: Japanese modern multi-cultural music ensemble.
They did the soundtrack to Akira, but their 1974 album "Oresuzan"= (or
something like that) combines scary psychedelic music with Kabuki,
monkey chant and Tibetan throat singing.
--Elephant9: Norweigan 3 piece instrumental prog band - similar to ELP
without the moog.
--Dawid Szczesny: Polish computer musician who uses jazz samples, but
it sounds like a very old radiator heating up or a rube goldberg
machine.
--Far East Family Band: mid 70s Japanese psychedelia
--Indian Bottom Association: a Baptist church group that sings in
"Lined out hymnody" - very intense!
--Cumbia Digitale (that's a genre name): Got a great comp of
electronic cumbia from ZZK records. (It's the volume 1.) Followed up on an artist named Chancha Via Circuito, and their cd was also good.
--Mercury Rev: Got back to listening to this band I loved in high
school. "Boces" album is top notch early 90s alternative. "S= nowflake
Midnight" is much newer, a bit more sterile and a bit more cheesy with=
songs about innocence, but I still like it.
--Uusitalo/Caribou: I usually don't like 4-on-the-floor techno, but
these albums did it in a really creative way. Uusitalo is an alias of
Vladislav Delay.
--krautrock: In general, listening to a lot more krautrock this year.

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt




--
Petri Lahtinenhttp://www.pet= rilahtinen.com
http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/
http://so= undcloud.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen
http://petrilahtinen.ba= ndcamp.com/
---------------------------------------------------
"Only become pr= ofessional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
--------= -------------------------------------------
"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-
--20cf3054a66bc84ff60498974c0e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 07:05:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25B441834A4; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1C2F21.3080105@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:05:05 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT SYNTHETIC MODES References: <0A90990B-B56F-4E27-A287-802272B072F7@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <0A90990B-B56F-4E27-A287-802272B072F7@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to Matt Stevens for pointing out the page on Modes and Synthetic Modes in John McLaughlin's book on his Mahavishnu Orchestra material. Thanks to John McLaughlin for writing them all down and playing so brilliantly and inspirationally over the years. I'll list them all here. I'm pretty sure I got them correct, Anything in parenthesis are normal modal scale degrees (i.e,. #5 = b6 but is still the fifth degree of the LEADING WHOLE TONE scale as an example). If anyone sees any mistakes in transcription please let me know. Also, I'm not entirely sure I understand how he derived these scales though the explanation is simple. Does anyone want to elucidate me? Happy New Years, Everyone! I feel blessed to be on this list and to know all of you. My world is immeasurably bigger, better and more loving because of you all. love to all and here's wishing you a fantastically creative 2011!!! Rick Walker * SYNTHETIC MODES (from John McLaughlin)* SUPER LOCRIAN 1,b2,b3,b4(nat3),b5,b6,b7,8va NEAPOLITAN MINOR 1,b2,b3,4.5.b6.7.8va NEAPOLITAN MAJOR 1, b2,b3,4,5,6,7,8va ORIENTAL 1,b2,3,4,b5,6,b7,8va DOUBLE HARMONIC 1,b2,3,4,5,b6,7,8va ENIGMATIC 1,b2,3,#4,#5(6),#6,(b7),7,8va HARMONIC MINOR 1,2,b3,4,5,b6,7,8va HUNGARIAN MINOR 1,2,b3,#4,5,b6,7,8va MAJOR LOCRIAN 1,2,3,4,b5,b6,b7,8va LYDIAN MINOR 1,2,3,#4,5,b6,b7,8va OVERTONE 1,2,3,#4,5,6,b7,8va LEADING WHOLE TONE 1,2,3,#4,#5(6),#6(b7),7,8va HUNGARIAN MAJOR 1,#2(b3),3,#4,5,6,b7,8v SYMMETRICAL 1,b2,b3,nat3#4,5,6,b7,8va PENTATONIC MAJOR 1,2,3,5,6,8va PENTATONIC MINOR 1,b3,4,5,b7,8va From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 07:14:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 286FD18349D; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012290146 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-30_04:2010-12-30,2010-12-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <5F4DDCBD95A84EB8BEFBB0F7A3E9BB13@NORBY11> From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0A90990B-B56F-4E27-A287-802272B072F7@btinternet.com> <4D1C2F21.3080105@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: OT SYNTHETIC MODES Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:14:15 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: <_4xj0.A.sOG.LFDHNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:14:19 +0000 (UTC) I'll help you out on the derivation if you could be a little more specific about the info you need :) toby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:05 PM Subject: OT SYNTHETIC MODES > Thanks to Matt Stevens for pointing out the page on Modes and Synthetic > Modes in John McLaughlin's book on his Mahavishnu Orchestra material. > > Thanks to John McLaughlin for writing them all down and playing so > brilliantly > and inspirationally over the years. > > I'll list them all here. I'm pretty sure I got them correct, Anything > in parenthesis are normal modal scale degrees (i.e,. #5 = b6 but > is still the fifth degree of the LEADING WHOLE TONE scale as an example). > > If anyone sees any mistakes in transcription please let me know. > > Also, I'm not entirely sure I understand how he derived these scales > though the explanation is simple. > Does anyone want to elucidate me? > > Happy New Years, Everyone! I feel blessed to be on this list and to > know > all of you. My world is immeasurably bigger, better and more loving > because of you all. > > love to all and here's wishing you a fantastically creative 2011!!! > > Rick Walker > * > SYNTHETIC MODES > (from John McLaughlin)* > > SUPER LOCRIAN > 1,b2,b3,b4(nat3),b5,b6,b7,8va > > NEAPOLITAN MINOR > 1,b2,b3,4.5.b6.7.8va > > NEAPOLITAN MAJOR > 1, b2,b3,4,5,6,7,8va > > ORIENTAL > 1,b2,3,4,b5,6,b7,8va > > DOUBLE HARMONIC > 1,b2,3,4,5,b6,7,8va > > ENIGMATIC > 1,b2,3,#4,#5(6),#6,(b7),7,8va > > HARMONIC MINOR > 1,2,b3,4,5,b6,7,8va > > HUNGARIAN MINOR > 1,2,b3,#4,5,b6,7,8va > > MAJOR LOCRIAN > 1,2,3,4,b5,b6,b7,8va > > LYDIAN MINOR > 1,2,3,#4,5,b6,b7,8va > > OVERTONE > 1,2,3,#4,5,6,b7,8va > > LEADING WHOLE TONE > 1,2,3,#4,#5(6),#6(b7),7,8va > > HUNGARIAN MAJOR > 1,#2(b3),3,#4,5,6,b7,8v > > SYMMETRICAL > 1,b2,b3,nat3#4,5,6,b7,8va > > PENTATONIC MAJOR > 1,2,3,5,6,8va > > PENTATONIC MINOR > 1,b3,4,5,b7,8va > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 08:22:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1241518349B; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:mime-version :content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to:references:message-id :x-mailer; bh=5u6lWrfGengmsHfRkRghxPlRfo3lO1R6nctSdmXoKSw=; b=N3QDzKh3OpA9EUb63fHk4S9FvMMxitcMLspp2iQ7zctGk5zmUTv0tku12buh9eX6mF Obv6JJKODoSDOxvRworRn7JNbR0U51EOQYtU3EO7H2p7GG4Tmjv4UL7p4Gt/q9veivHR 3rUJxZMNei+TNeLt0bqqkT6t+8udVGJrITUDk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; b=ZsE6Teb9bVZAzZE+av5Nfi3UNZKStWJkcQmSL60WFMAUHifNLZlA04tfEGzYYSU0yL nNHGoiVT+32ektaGFuE+ZK1/BNOHjA35K4EuFh3nRgP70iHuAg8HDOoPyqxHbaacC77W Zp63wWQwk73NrI/qUOXYXwIle0wA7x2JlYnnA= From: Christopher Darrow Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--289723922 Subject: Re: OT: was $280 Midi Guitar (andy's trick) + is Stringport better then AX50 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:26:12 -0800 In-Reply-To: <170079427.270742.1289322517036.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <170079427.270742.1289322517036.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-Id: <7F1AFEC2-610D-4D49-8C04-C173EE3F98DD@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:22:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--289723922 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi. Thanks everyone for your responses. tEd, how do you feel about the = StringPort now that you've had it for a while?=20 Also, I appreciate that they are technically different animals, apples = to oranges, etc, but re-reading the responses it still seems to me that = the result is the same when it comes to controlling midi plugins (that = are not part of the Stringport suite.)=20 Both can be set to take signal from each string separately and output = the midi data--it's just that Stringport also analyzes the audio in much = more complex ways... ultimately it still sends out midi data to control = the sound. So AT THAT POINT, does feel like it track better then the = AX50?=20 The Stringport software is icing on the cake, in other words, but do the = bonuses of having to deal with all that extra complexity (and CPU usage) = also extend to the midi data that it ultimately sends out to control my = regular plugins? And tEd, speaking more generally, has that complexity = been defeating or was it just a minor speed bump on the way to something = better? Who knows, Andy's Trick may be enough of a boost, if I can find where to = enter that setting, which I still can't. So if anyone has a suggestion = there, please point me to the right tab or whatever. Here again is = Andy's trick: > > The midi converter has to be set to send Midi pitch bend > > (which can be switched off), > > and then the amount of midi pitch bend has to be matched between the > > midi converter and the synth that's being driven. >=20 > Anyone know how to find this setting in the the AX50 software? Thank You! On Nov 9, 2010, at 9:08 AM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I have StringPort . . . I bought it only about 4 weeks ago . . . I'm = still groping with it's complexity in fact . . . so take my comments = with a grain of salt. >=20 > I think comparing it to the AX50 is like comparing apples and oranges = . . . the concept sort of seems the same . . . but StringPort seems = rather a lot more complex. >=20 > This may be unfair, but it's a bit like comparing MS Word to Photoshop = . . . similar, but not really. >=20 > I have only had a little experience with StringPort so far (not all of = it good, BTW) but it presents possibilities that are even above and = beyond the multiple GR and VG units I also own combined. >=20 > I am still trying to get a handle on it. >=20 > tEd =AE kiLLiAn >=20 > Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the = victims he intends to eat until he eats them. =96 Samuel Butler (1835 - = 1902) >=20 > http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 >=20 > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Christopher Darrow wrote: >=20 >> 2) Is Stringport really better then the AX50? Does it track better = even with regular midi plugins rather then their software? Is it more = processor intensive then the AX50, such that a laptop would start = exhibiting bad behavior with a bunch of plugins and effects open in = Live, etc.? Could really use a user report if anybody has experience = with these. Or if not both, then your review of the Stringport. >>=20 >>=20 >> Much thanks! >=20 --Apple-Mail-1--289723922 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
> > The midi converter has to be set to send Midi pitch = bend
> > (which can be = switched off),
> > and then the amount of midi pitch bend has to be = matched between the
> > midi converter and the synth that's being = driven.
> 
> Anyone know how to find this setting in the the AX50 = software?

Thank = You!


On Nov 9, 2010, at = 9:08 AM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote:

Hi,

I have StringPort . . . I bought it only = about 4 weeks ago . . . I'm still groping with it's complexity in fact . = . . so take my comments with a grain of salt.

I think comparing = it to the AX50 is like comparing apples and oranges . . . the concept = sort of seems the same . . . but StringPort seems rather a lot more = complex.

This may be unfair, but it's a bit like comparing MS = Word to Photoshop . . . similar, but not really.

I have only had = a little experience with StringPort so far (not all of it good, BTW) but = it presents possibilities that are even above and beyond the multiple GR = and VG units I also own combined.

I am still trying to get a = handle on it.

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

Man is the only animal that = can remain on friendly terms with the victims he intends to eat until he = eats them. =96 Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902)

http://www.pfmentum.com/PFM= CD007.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar= 9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx= ?ProductID=3D193
http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-liv= e/Jun-07/27768

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at = Apple iTunes


On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Christopher = Darrow wrote:

2) Is Stringport really = better then the AX50? Does it track better even with regular midi = plugins rather then their software? Is it more processor intensive then = the AX50, such that a laptop would start exhibiting bad behavior with a = bunch of plugins and effects open in Live, etc.? Could really use a user = report if anybody has experience with these. Or if not both, then your = review of the Stringport.


Much = thanks!


= --Apple-Mail-1--289723922-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 08:36:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C3F91834A4; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 304 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at hemlock; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:36:41 UTC Subject: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. Auto-Submitted: auto-generated From: peter.leinhos@farmersinsurance.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 02:31:33 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hons_100/Servers/FarmersInsurance(Release 8.5.1|September 28, 2009) at 12/30/2010 02:31:35 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:36:41 +0000 (UTC) I will be out of the office starting 12/30/2010 and will not return until 01/03/2011. 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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:39:48 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:39:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--288907888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed yay!!! Its holiday time :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 30 Dec 2010, at 08:31, peter.leinhos@farmersinsurance.com wrote: > > I will be out of the office starting 12/30/2010 and will not > return until > 01/03/2011. > > For telecom, Audio or Video issues, contact Greg Bouffard @ 323 > 932 3793 > > ***** PLEASE NOTE ***** This E-Mail/telefax message and any > documents accompanying this transmission may contain privileged > and/or confidential information and is intended solely for the > addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended > addressee/recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of, > disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on the contents of > this E-Mail/telefax information is strictly prohibited and may > result in legal action against you. Please reply to the sender > advising of the error in transmission and immediately > delete/destroy the message and any accompanying documents. 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= --Apple-Mail-1--288907888-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 10:35:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 288651834A4; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=b3obdMU26zMMrjpDWzfkAPtYe7TP/rMt8+IkNrcEFuA=; b=UjZxccObXXEotcnHfbgscnEdDxquMK6Ax014qgr9oFqHE9H/MPk/oWmIZMEl1/6SYN WW1GFp+U5MRq4j1ZPSB59L4g+Bc9aMCdoXnI34SsrVKds99F3Pysr+/Y1IrioAm4uJ/N 7OgdCJGnX7kRQ5Zxzc3KcxlB16dHKn6OxP9GY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=u6u3FA9vDkMChzTwThmKWacyUi7GmVTaoTqftprivKQ13CBYdZ2ljymLypr5Oyys5F cJrsC7JxolAbcLDc2TGQZRbmcHDGbvq1niHLEVVKNco0DASU5zL7zxSfRUOAO6xYba+e sYlFkQgPOToCCccd81vNf0MUIKY3glLxAe0go= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:35:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Who is this person! Does he post to the list except for these automatically generated mail server messages that bounce back and forth around holiday time? He is a kind of list legend now, his "Out Of Office..." T-shirt worn by many! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:31 AM, wrot= e: > > I will be out of the office starting =C2=A012/30/2010 and will not return= until > 01/03/2011. > > For telecom, Audio or Video issues, =C2=A0contact Greg Bouffard @ 323 932= 3793 > > ***** PLEASE NOTE ***** This E-Mail/telefax message and any > documents accompanying this transmission may contain privileged > and/or confidential information and is intended solely for the > addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended > addressee/recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of, > disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on the contents of > this E-Mail/telefax information is strictly prohibited and may > result in legal action against you. Please reply to the sender > advising of the error in transmission and immediately > delete/destroy the message and any accompanying documents. Thank > you.***** > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 10:49:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B34521834A9; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ClXtZLKgvtSxe+6z5Ktk7mEYsJGX0dyNDNFxn1aVzl8=; b=esrYstOYDdW8txvugTl/gbqnozLIc4g3M7ybJK+TLTT8y8wkVo+IA4SnK/PuOe/Rc2 aRptAiWRJTVlSHH2508FkhmyWqKjwK1HyoEPSuccC3OS/+qY17EYtnPbaYfDjyglwhmp /IJGK4wAYGxOXOsweZUbVo714vKy+pQwyCW5A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=l/2bu2W2J96zs0k+QWO7iiuib2YGcS4g2hARq7l6t52qFJl5RhSBpvF8uoARv7kS3z +Wr4HcGbECCVSjhU4ruEzMkbdhGXATG8KSQ0mVzdK8XNd9jVcFd8kSSmylVB6FrkM1B9 nBiXqc9/pCKz/sZAjepmait6p3QNdphIGH9w8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D1C2F21.3080105@cruzio.com> References: <0A90990B-B56F-4E27-A287-802272B072F7@btinternet.com> <4D1C2F21.3080105@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:49:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT SYNTHETIC MODES From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:49:40 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Modes and Synthetic > Modes Thank you, Matt and Rick. Looking for some fun checking out these scales. Wishing a good 2k11 to everyone on this list! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 11:02:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AE151834AC; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1C66B9.9060906@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 03:02:17 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Toby G CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: OT SYNTHETIC MODES References: <5F4DDCBD95A84EB8BEFBB0F7A3E9BB13@NORBY11> In-Reply-To: <5F4DDCBD95A84EB8BEFBB0F7A3E9BB13@NORBY11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6-W0GD.A.JqC.BbGHNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:02:25 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Toby G wrote: > I'll help you out on the derivation if you could be a little more > specific about the info you need :) > Here's what McLaughlin says in the introduction to this single page of his book: "As you can see, six additional modes can be derived from the fundamental major mode (Ionian) by starting on each successive step of the fundamental mode......" ".......The synthetic fundamental modes are given below. You can derive additional modes from all the synthetic fundamental modes by using the same process of starting on each successive step. I have spelled out all the fundamental modes in C for the sake of simplicity...." Okay, I get all of that. Additional modes generate new modes and potential new harmonies. Now, my question is, how were these synthetic modes derived? In other words, are these just arbitrary clusterings of 7 or 5 note values in the scale? In other words, what differs in these scales from the vast number of Indian Rags, Arabic Maqams or Persian Dagstah? Is there a system for derivation or are these just random but cool clusters of melody sets? Thanks, in advance Toby. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 11:30:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 803401834AF; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293708609; bh=M1pLHWH91NihAqlRRWdvO81M8CA15ENN5Q3gpJY9yEs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MW6cVh2y+ZmTC7D7gzw5NU9eJ8+IR5PY962paHqjLEiRylJdp0onOOFaA5jScRqsjwshjU/+NL/RAEMRbdZsQRzHRp7eauNCjQfcRIIN3LDUmCwGOl9kl5I+xVLXz1aNV+Y8Ln1p6UwinuPHPewbvJpglFw4Vd2MWFp1Bvb8EEA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mQWuZWyq4v7K4dQRXTt7T3FHsR0M0L9msR1SU8HICw9Bo5/t21H0zcCoJIWSQOugaMYZN3kv/4Z5wi1bX5s/zfNQKusM+YC76qL2tCU/c+d3+hS7B65QRmy9TURgqpe1Gxh+zMtKatC/+KTaqsY4liSgjypnFeJIVxuq94KGSNo=; Message-ID: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: o.HSuPkVM1najCbVO9QTUMUz95QwGYRtombbgu1l.qszqkq hlIga4XEauZJNOmxJN7723vIqUxIWILiZMmAF4EDNqWdMSnBrz2xNyBnT7Yi q.U.j54WXuNoHph74dKPYF7c7VA6MxjGhZcJvDYAzGVfZLvrk_Tf_y4tzTOK 1b9R5lqXn.Yyk4rLAbSBCppVKVtXK8InNPRDn1WeLl.pTjgt4yguq24fK0tX h.AGu4ucCZvteLu4JTPM0j7nobbOtLvaILwdAfssTGdqsTbttWOtz9rMSuI_ hk62LGVGOMeae7W2jR9HP X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 03:30:09 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-987808081-1293708609=:25185" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:30:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-987808081-1293708609=:25185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii this out of the office message has a mystical quality to it:-) Anony ________________________________ From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 11:35:34 AM Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. Who is this person! Does he post to the list except for these automatically generated mail server messages that bounce back and forth around holiday time? He is a kind of list legend now, his "Out Of Office..." T-shirt worn by many! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:31 AM, wrote: > > I will be out of the office starting 12/30/2010 and will not return until > 01/03/2011. > > For telecom, Audio or Video issues, contact Greg Bouffard @ 323 932 3793 > > ***** PLEASE NOTE ***** This E-Mail/telefax message and any > documents accompanying this transmission may contain privileged > and/or confidential information and is intended solely for the > addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended > addressee/recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of, > disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on the contents of > this E-Mail/telefax information is strictly prohibited and may > result in legal action against you. Please reply to the sender > advising of the error in transmission and immediately > delete/destroy the message and any accompanying documents. Thank > you.***** > > --0-987808081-1293708609=:25185 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
this out of the office message has a mystical quality to it:-)

Anony

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 11:35:34 AM
Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office.

Who is this person! Does he post to the list except for these
automatically generated mail server messages that bounce back and
forth around holiday time? He is a kind of list legend now, his "Out
Of Office..." T-shirt worn by many!

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:31 AM,  <peter.leinhos@farmersinsurance.com> wrote:
>
> I will be out of the office starting  12/30/2010 and will not return until
> 01/03/2011.
>
> For telecom, Audio or Video issues,  contact Greg Bouffard @ 323 932 3793
>
> ***** PLEASE NOTE ***** This E-Mail/telefax message and any
> documents accompanying this transmission may contain privileged
> and/or confidential information and is intended solely for the
> addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended
> addressee/recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of,
> disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on the contents of
> this E-Mail/telefax information is strictly prohibited and may
> result in legal action against you. Please reply to the sender
> advising of the error in transmission and immediately
> delete/destroy the message and any accompanying documents. Thank
> you.*****
>
>


--0-987808081-1293708609=:25185-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 15:16:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF9141834AF; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PNw/bcwcxjobpkrW5dkWi5N3mY9z/1jxQS5B1yUjWyQ=; b=aWxM+6Nfe9KdkUucOlRAgxseURVIfI0CpWy5k2RrAi7sVACLN3BOiQXo5eWCqAlTVY 8AgONJ58AR4StUMCqZnYfu3Ot4y2thZX2tiDyJSwt65wu2EdrWenUf8lbDqT5DCG1KFn BOAkvACc6JKzYLJlTHfPszDA75EeoyO3DRP0E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UU4P8Cfm4N4wJ+ohc+c3AZo22GAu3QIteXYjskIC7X2eHDOXonen6GZCeXa8aTbgHv 9+Wy8lJq6+rR9fmaAWGIN3CQmdbbRxc+gVBUOCAYJ38RsJudwCU4HROpDpmrXBUc9dNf AuATJ8jYKAOQQ5lYNHxl0UYR++26cz539EQRw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:15:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a34da4c42f0498a22934 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:15:59 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a34da4c42f0498a22934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anyone else really tried to contact Peter? :-) "On Nov 16, 2010, at 11:26 AM, loopbozo@comcast.net wrote: So I followed the instructions in the email from Peter Leinhos concerning tech help in his absence and contacted Greg Bouffard in the "Telecom Godz" department of Farmers Insurance in LA to fill him in on the ongoing amusement we have at Peter's expense. Yes Peter is out of the office, but Greg feels confident that he would want a t-shirt. Greg however cannot address the continuing email situation (help desk) and did not seem to know if Peter was a "looper" , clandestine or otherwise. I think given the chain of command,Greg could use a t-shirt also, I'll forward the t-shirt email w/photo to Peter.... I'm sure I have his address here somewhere. FYI - 20 years before Fripp wrote about it, Glenn Gould had some very insightful things to say about the nature of professional performance as a lifestyle. "The Glenn Gould Reader" has some interesting sections that address this matter." 2010/12/30 > this out of the office message has a mystical quality to it:-) > > Anony > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Per Boysen > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Thu, December 30, 2010 11:35:34 AM > *Subject:* Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. > > Who is this person! Does he post to the list except for these > automatically generated mail server messages that bounce back and > forth around holiday time? He is a kind of list legend now, his "Out > Of Office..." T-shirt worn by many! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:31 AM, > wrote: > > > > I will be out of the office starting 12/30/2010 and will not return > until > > 01/03/2011. > > > > For telecom, Audio or Video issues, contact Greg Bouffard @ 323 932 3793 > > > > ***** PLEASE NOTE ***** This E-Mail/telefax message and any > > documents accompanying this transmission may contain privileged > > and/or confidential information and is intended solely for the > > addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended > > addressee/recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of, > > disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on the contents of > > this E-Mail/telefax information is strictly prohibited and may > > result in legal action against you. Please reply to the sender > > advising of the error in transmission and immediately > > delete/destroy the message and any accompanying documents. Thank > > you.***** > > > > > > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054a34da4c42f0498a22934 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone else really tried to contact Peter? :-)


"On Nov= 16, 2010, at 11:26 AM, loopbozo@co= mcast.net wrote:

So I followed the instructions in the email from Peter Leinhos concerning=20 tech help in his absence and contacted Greg Bouffard in the "Telecom= =20 Godz" department of Farmers Insurance in LA to fill him in on the=20 ongoing amusement we have at Peter's expense. Yes Peter is out of the= =20 office, but Greg feels confident that he would want a t-shirt. Greg=20 however cannot address the continuing email situation (help desk) and=20 did not seem to know if Peter was a "looper" , clandestine or oth= erwise. I think given the chain of command,Greg could use a t-shirt also, I'll= =20 forward the t-shirt email w/photo to Peter.... I'm sure I have his=20 address here somewhere. FYI - 20 years before Fripp wrote about it,=20 Glenn Gould had some very insightful things to say about the nature of=20 professional performance as a lifestyle. "The Glenn Gould Reader"= has=20 some interesting sections that address this matter."





2010/12/30 <antonyhequet@yahoo.com<= /a>>
this ou= t of the office message=A0has a mystical quality to it:-)

Anony

From: Per Boysen <<= a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com= >
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com
Sent: T= hu, December 30, 2010 11:35:34 AM
Subject: Re: Leinhos, Pete= r is out of the office.

Who is this person! Does he post to the list except for these
automatica= lly generated mail server messages that bounce back and
forth around hol= iday time? He is a kind of list legend now, his "Out
Of Office...&q= uot; T-shirt worn by many!

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:31 AM,=A0 <peter.leinhos@farmersinsur= ance.com> wrote:
>
> I will be out of the office startin= g =A012/30/2010 and will not return until
> 01/03/2011.
>
> For telecom, Audio or Video issues, =A0con= tact Greg Bouffard @ 323 932 3793
>
> ***** PLEASE NOTE ***** This E-Mail/telefax message and any
> docume= nts accompanying this transmission may contain privileged
> and/or co= nfidential information and is intended solely for the
> addressee(s) = named above. If you are not the intended
> addressee/recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of,
> = disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on the contents of
> t= his E-Mail/telefax information is strictly prohibited and may
> resul= t in legal action against you. Please reply to the sender
> advising of the error in transmission and immediately
> delete/d= estroy the message and any accompanying documents. Thank
> you.*****<= br>>
>





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http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/
http://so= undcloud.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen
http://petrilahtinen.ba= ndcamp.com/
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"Only become pr= ofessional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
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"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-
--20cf3054a34da4c42f0498a22934-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 15:20:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F0851834BB; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1293722434; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=stzMA6i++rEnmBcw75inTdtxBt4=; b=ma+jQ9OFsIkuVHpCL90HlXWULSunUs8CJCYanYAvCPqrZL8xD7GMJfESDPb2ZB6+ gCXdIDZ7Qc8FFFlRDPsknsP88rMqrIU8Xn/WzuFwP604dOo8cJ3RpWlYG6jlSYNv; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=2NhKNwzSc6PrWkFBfgGOMRtSEtMrGZJZG8RiVu+VIGY= c=1 sm=0 a=2UEKtcyJGhkA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=o4xg7LlBixfZpmtaA38A:9 a=bRU39798UEYoMzZLmA-gwSdnuDEA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Hhc/OnKmOS1xKI2oHPQhqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:20:34 -0500 (EST) From: EDWARD YUHAS Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <2082489278.694105.1293722434257.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Sustainer Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [129.139.1.68] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2213.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/6.0.5_GA_2213.RHEL4_64) Resent-Message-ID: <9jpL3.A.Xq.DNKHNB@hemlock> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:20:35 +0000 (UTC) I'm using a Fernandes Monterey Elite w/ Sustainer... Also, I have D'Addario .010s on it, and they work just fine...whether I'm using the sustainer (neck pickup) or my eBow. The magnets move them no problem. I use my sustainer to hold a note, but moreso for the high-pitch sound that's emitted on harmonics...kind of ethereal when processed by my pedals, etc. in looping. I'll add to what Jeff said about batteries in the Fernandes. It eats 9v's! And there is a "sweet spot" in battery life where I find the sustainer works best. When the battery is brand new, the sustaining can be harsh and a bit much, but as the battery "wears in" (wears out?) the sound is much more consistent. I know one thing...when that battery is nearing the end of its life, there can be some ugly crackling and horrible sonic performance produced by the sustainer. Be forewarned. Regards, Edward Yuhas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 15:41:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE0CD1834B0; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 398526.7597.bm@omp1057.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293723683; bh=iTKDAZoluNifefBbE0Pv1fyjeAWNZPE3nq5Ich6Qle0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2jf9PHSyiLCNur1t/4le0IKTOewP8cqV6AiC4qlNAgpjw4I1vLk6ouFLljgdTH9KIEmUJPVzhm+AOJbYx4aTJlntPxZiFgzx0lOKnnYIvWLte7JH7B2Z0FLfiemPP6x+O8vRv7VreAWMIhlR0UoJ7fQDtPsuTNjnQbucKdLWtjU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W29Z40zzOXTrfwD2Fm93JRyUgmvKk+WcIBbRYo+L7vprtIrLfohcL7+EFQO3GSfml3L6Tw2fPBV2F6Ux2VZ+ST+a/yqi/xXpGlJ8v5ywF81cP42zNfgK3ppMbOszpWEipsATEd1PxbZygCPn2/h1gE3P1bnPoLpXYsjVTtmK5Zs=; Message-ID: <241663.41772.qm@web45901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AgUyl6YVM1kzncnIlt.QZqMp7QKKqGYtKQz9KEFi2ZZz_Ca GVM0MnzEah1cvKPp8gs0k1CYPY2uXeUlkdhpVQWbxXAaYp.Av7AXVGtZNuw_ A7Byz07bFqe7u6FJqsEMxQdDkGyuEhSIBafaSVF7HGLQ2XpqhDq27JVhmxNQ lRuxeixPCYlvvnRxQFNiKOVefvSJuQgyqWROguD3JNbKrZNAn8Nt8fLj3NaD 2kOzwaDU- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:41:23 -0800 (PST) From: E Gross Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1826179122-1293723683=:41772" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:41:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-1826179122-1293723683=:41772 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Leinhos out of office loop stretches to infinity......... --0-1826179122-1293723683=:41772 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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--0-1826179122-1293723683=:41772-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 15:57:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 439541834AF; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=cj0rmFmABC2FnNIIFITWlxu/S8qUuoZuoy5wuuAKKZiwtT82p67z3XnEZNMSs12U; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: <867DF33B-CFB0-469A-AAAF-B61CAE23654E@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <26BBD116-F5C6-4169-897C-62813F588D7D@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: iphone music app recommendations Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:57:15 -0800 References: <26BBD116-F5C6-4169-897C-62813F588D7D@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79638a40cc375f029510d6ffb64dcace73350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 97.90.119.204 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Another essential: http://iosaudio.wordpress.com/midi-support-list/ On Dec 29, 2010, at 5:40 PM, David Coffin wrote: > Some resources: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 18:33:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA9041834A9; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5X5edEB5aiG2PmDQCWVVO03UcuBA6QfrVR+9FXDYUH4=; b=VjWHpWTalEMKQgbgCigJ3+PMOjqMTxrQuXjpG4U5W/F1VI4h248QPOeqgkUnVebs8M mx3jXj4yJXM1GBd2cyKmGAWMRlb915VePXLKM21uxEhs81pzrIOTqLSLOdwqHkvlLR6s fHRqBaCKPVsPLnGhABlZqjoh9dJOZxJZlob/M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jzOaeAvC9bZtsChEbNo1S7P5ADUh0/KQGFuIdd/fYgIgRbWC59Aw7gc9XPq7TBl+pa oTH4TuKIEK5+OkVrHIBL+aSHUe6DMOmiOc3ejtev8nctJZ9ZiZFzRAdUNSwpZaylwvDE aUQCKOopYfowHLFYoaWsSFbJNaa8SrMw+R1QU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2082489278.694105.1293722434257.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> References: <2082489278.694105.1293722434257.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:33:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sustainer Question From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:33:07 +0000 (UTC) You are so right Edward, I have several boxes for batteries and a voltage meter. My Retrorockets have the two position (regular/harmonic) sustainer with no intensity control knob. I sometimes replace the batteries with lower voltage batteries if I need a gentler sustain for something. Really though, you get so good at muting strings and controlling the sustain after a while you don't worry about it much. My old Fernandes Decade has the three position (regular/mix/harmonic) w/intensity control knob which I like. The guitars will quit completely if the battery goes dead but it will get very lo fi first, of course this can be usable also :) best, Jeff http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ http://digitsignal.bandcamp.com/ http://usit.bandcamp.com/ On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:20 AM, EDWARD YUHAS wrote: > I'm using a Fernandes Monterey Elite w/ Sustainer... > > Also, I have D'Addario .010s on it, and they work just fine...whether I'm= using the sustainer (neck pickup) or my eBow. The magnets move them no pro= blem. I use my sustainer to hold a note, but moreso for the high-pitch soun= d that's emitted on harmonics...kind of ethereal when processed by my pedal= s, etc. in looping. > > I'll add to what Jeff said about batteries in the Fernandes. It eats 9v's= ! And there is a "sweet spot" in battery life where I find the sustainer wo= rks best. When the battery is brand new, the sustaining can be harsh and a = bit much, but as the battery "wears in" (wears out?) the sound is much more= consistent. > > I know one thing...when that battery is nearing the end of its life, ther= e can be some ugly crackling and horrible sonic performance produced by the= sustainer. Be forewarned. > > Regards, > > Edward Yuhas > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 20:31:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 702081834B3; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1CEC2C.7070401@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:31:40 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: antonyhequet@yahoo.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. References: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:31:48 +0000 (UTC) It is said that when Leinhos, Peter is back IN the office that the 'end times' are nigh. It is said, Frogs will rain from the sky and musicians will be paid fare wages, commensurate with their skill and expertise. The public will suddenly begin paying for downloads and buying CDs at gigs, again. rick walker On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: > this out of the office message has a mystical quality to it:-) > > Anony > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Per Boysen > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Thu, December 30, 2010 11:35:34 AM > *Subject:* Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. > > Who is this person! Does he post to the list except for these > automatically generated mail server messages that bounce back and > forth around holiday time? He is a kind of list legend now, his "Out > Of Office..." T-shirt worn by many! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:31 AM, > wrote: > > > > I will be out of the office starting 12/30/2010 and will not return > until > > 01/03/2011. > > > > For telecom, Audio or Video issues, contact Greg Bouffard @ 323 932 > 3793 > > > > ***** PLEASE NOTE ***** This E-Mail/telefax message and any > > documents accompanying this transmission may contain privileged > > and/or confidential information and is intended solely for the > > addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended > > addressee/recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of, > > disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on the contents of > > this E-Mail/telefax information is strictly prohibited and may > > result in legal action against you. Please reply to the sender > > advising of the error in transmission and immediately > > delete/destroy the message and any accompanying documents. Thank > > you.***** > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 20:37:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68ECB1834B8; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <4D1CEC2C.7070401@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:37:00 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <17D2E8F5-2C50-4139-84ED-F19CD6503B47@trufun.com> References: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D1CEC2C.7070401@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:37:02 +0000 (UTC) What ever became of the Leinhos, Peter t-shirt? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 20:37:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 270D11834BC; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mark Hamburg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: The EDP and the Looperlative and me Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:37:37 -0800 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:37:40 +0000 (UTC) I've had a few people ask recently why I might express a preference for = the EDP over the Looperlative. My EDP's had been sitting in my spare = rack unused for a bit but I wired them up yesterday and I thought I = would try to run down the highlights for me in doing so, Let me first say that the Looperlative by virtue of offering multiple = high-quality stereo tracks and multiple routing options is a very nice = piece of hardware and there are obviously lots of things it does that = the EDP does not. Even with a pair of EDP's there are a number of things = that don't work properly in stereo. That said, let me highlight some of = the things I prefer about the EDP: * Big friendly time readout. The Looperlative is harder to read at a = distance and since it's constantly counting down or something, I can't = really glance at it and get much useful information even if it were big = enough to read at a distance. * I like being able to dial in the tempo on the EDP and have it be a = clock source for the rest of the system before the loop gets recorded. * An optimized controller pedal. The Looperlative can work with lots of = MIDI control surfaces and you can program them to do many things. If you = have something as powerful as the Gordius, you even have a choice for = how much you do there v on the Looperlative. But the EDP really exploits = the hell out of the standard set of buttons and makes strong use of = gestures like long-presses, etc which the Looperlative cannot as readily = count on receiving from generic MIDI controllers. * A modal approach to loop build up and modification. I'm overdubbing. = Now I'm multiplying. Now I'm replacing. Etc. I express the mode that I = want to be using to modify the loop and I can switch from mode to mode = with a fair degree of intelligence in the EDP about what the mode = switches mean. Contrast this with the Looperlative which just with Play, = Overdub, and Replace+ seems to have trouble specifying where one will = end up when switching back and forth since it wants to emphasize = toggling in and out of modes. (That said, the fact that substitute is a = sustained action undermines this...) This last point is the big one for difference in feel, but I think it = actually ties to some extent to the third one. My suspicion is that if I ignored a bunch of functionality on the = Looperlative and built up an appropriately programmed MIDI controller, I = could probably get what I want, but I feel like I'm threading a needle = whereas the EDP actually has a fair amount that's tuned and ready to go = out of the box with nothing more than its standard controller pedal and = possibly an expression pedal for feedback (though see the notes about = stereo...). Now, I need to decide where I'm going to invest my time... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 20:42:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3EE91834BC; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1CEE79.8090503@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:41:29 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <67VIbB.A.UnH.n6OHNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:42:15 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Alien Forest Observations" which is a self-released title. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#dec You will also hear new music released on the Groove Unlimited and Ricochet Dream labels. I will be giving away two sets of Klaus Schulze DVDs. One set will go to a local listener and another set to a non- Pennsylvania resident who listens via the internet. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 20:45:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4B6E1834BD; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oTeDRJfrcrAVrIjhupsTpyQ37NvYD4I7d0SoLj3/RiE=; b=W4+N6wRPWKtisNjq4DOjrHP5reXpDYjeIGTLVlKnLDOU51i7aXBXdg1maX1eFo/ov7 yJo+/DXdjLAh6Mc5Y2V3ZLHMRNSTOwwDC1C4/T8z+CdLzI4kvIwp2uLKpZKfsM0erGfu FgnCIy+Q25B8XYO/V6N6AMmPbMf3XSNMyL0z0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OTFnOqjX6ZCzx6v7CLghwIKpw5g+YA8V9Pe0iNQ7C9AVhOsLmFlcNs9GCY5W/120RQ qkcxeezNmmfSwR/my0J/t5+G2cPo/qvLUDT7MhkS4sSj2a0hZmldjn6CzZ1ZqpdFiuYA FSTBFrvzxJ+k3Re2KmpVOF8wPrmbvD8hiehyI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D1CEC2C.7070401@cruzio.com> References: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D1CEC2C.7070401@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:45:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <7KztOB.A.WwH.n9OHNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Maybe it's time for The Quest for Leinhos, Peter! :) Right up there with the Quests for Order, Understanding and Meaning eh? Jeff On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > It is said that when Leinhos, Peter is back IN the office that > the 'end times' are nigh. > > It is said, Frogs will rain from the sky and > musicians will be paid fare wages, commensurate with their > skill and expertise. =A0 =A0The public will suddenly begin > paying for downloads and =A0buying CDs at gigs, again. > > rick walker > > > > > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> this out of the office message has a mystical quality to it:-) >> >> Anony >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Per Boysen >> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> *Sent:* Thu, December 30, 2010 11:35:34 AM >> *Subject:* Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. >> >> Who is this person! Does he post to the list except for these >> automatically generated mail server messages that bounce back and >> forth around holiday time? He is a kind of list legend now, his "Out >> Of Office..." T-shirt worn by many! >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se >> www.perboysen.com >> www.looproom.com internet music hub >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:31 AM, > > wrote: >> > >> > I will be out of the office starting =A012/30/2010 and will not return >> > until >> > 01/03/2011. >> > >> > For telecom, Audio or Video issues, =A0contact Greg Bouffard @ 323 932 >> > 3793 >> > >> > ***** PLEASE NOTE ***** This E-Mail/telefax message and any >> > documents accompanying this transmission may contain privileged >> > and/or confidential information and is intended solely for the >> > addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended >> > addressee/recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of, >> > disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on the contents of >> > this E-Mail/telefax information is strictly prohibited and may >> > result in legal action against you. Please reply to the sender >> > advising of the error in transmission and immediately >> > delete/destroy the message and any accompanying documents. Thank >> > you.***** >> > >> > >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 22:41:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2D361834BA; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0r7vVwq+bONJtWF1vrPwJg1u2F04/Pdwccm8cazMarQ=; b=IZKFT6KusJ+WAMtO+ep9j7AHh4lPZ4zvrZAq6ikENNzbGhGRyZr7fqDvTPlz7s7Zd7 JJGEPpIW7ENY6viXfeqE5VqeieuFImGKjFL8E56WTKvzKwb6QnJb1nf4XM1omxcyHKgC utlo5eoBXzFefT6DNjhpxeEP2C4lbjHCZvRv4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=kfbqWtTgU+3Riz6iam1RHPXt6I6gOwVtLTbBS6Hw0AUw+T0XTDQq9iA+ojg2BJyGGi fydhPYOAnLT9wwV+zrtTmUpHsY2SXWTBKgcM+x1lNblb716w/D+UpZmzMMb9B8vIF25J Jta5L8/vMxL51tVjJatakHh9hQWBQSpqmfdHw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D1CEC2C.7070401@cruzio.com> References: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D1CEC2C.7070401@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:41:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:41:40 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > It is said that when Leinhos, Peter is back IN the office that > the 'end times' are nigh. The ancient Mayans knew Peter Leinhos will be back i the office on December 21, 2012!!! Per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 22:46:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E0371834BA; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vkYy6GDVlhg9frIsciPMqoVmfb18CC04vDxyjY3/zl8=; b=RihXMTOcESkI6Y8D9QSBwwEDwronA6T1F319jWyVs/34Qz17voChmmyTRasBOBtWkh sqGVVqmdtU1p8BimABY1hAoYgTPmE7FOabPoxRpFJf35xxeGnFnxH+QkOTnBoYh/nOnA DsleEHZMVhb4UYkZ7N2iWdN9Us0q3/laWvPso= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=g8xwfKUt6puP84O0lCtuwHt4uDzxwc/PCExjZweOGcTP3C3obWnWmZW7uRIVE8BQ42 4tgjectS4j7A+kU99i7deH08RMO2SBj30Rsz2tabpFm6RPrxxnKHa/s+8y+4Rpm8YSQ2 oDL0PtADnvIUnL7syzv5N6xBEcYWaK4+xS7j4= Message-ID: <4D1D0BA5.8030001@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:45:57 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Musical discoveries of 2010 References: <4D1520CD.404@cruzio.com> <4D1B532F.1000007@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Matt Davignon schrieb: > --Lumper-Splitter: Actually a great cd with guitarists Lucio Menegon > and Joe Rut. Possible list members I haven't seen them on this list, but I was fortunate enough to hear/see (and meet) them back at BEMF 2008 (thanks again, Krispen, for that event), and I think I remember they played Rick's festival at least once. Can be found on bandcamp: luciomenegon.bandcamp.com. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 23:38:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 404CA1834BF; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:38:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=DUg6p4phOKy4px32USPoD1jD71aiaYgKr4NaOLqV0Bs=; b=FOOygz848NWwycZNOHXCqawC9Xzo5/YZvNtWJTtKQp/wIcdIEZjvgiQ4WEmAoM7flx KeJd5XE/FHYYM2yVSzE79voST3GvEB5hBYTiOpV7cGxQRh56o+rI/iyykc1txG6UwS7x RrnZua97C6YPstuGHl3bNSG0zPh17xE6VoBG8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=LBbFCdTQqBayGre1vrFjH3Jy3HSRn/EnRbTNkFSFVzaihD4Z61Iaj4o/sXZPecWHHD rfQ9uASncwpP4oHiDNiFhNBXNye06EsViAWctgUt4AweQ/j98IZpFfQq38T59joG+jgv +nUnJ9dssVtRBDTEnF+2gZiBVzgTnjeFBCnOE= Message-Id: <5BA362A9-1CA4-47BF-A76B-341846FB50BF@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D1D0BA5.8030001@googlemail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--235005066 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT: Musical discoveries of 2010 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:38:11 -0800 References: <4D1520CD.404@cruzio.com> <4D1B532F.1000007@gmail.com> <4D1D0BA5.8030001@googlemail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:38:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--235005066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today on NPR (Thursday) Morning Edition they played a very nice clip for transition between segments by these guys http://tinyurl.com/2btx6t2 the clip was from the song Gainako, sort of Ali Farka Toure-ish with njarka work etc. Not new, from 2009, but just heard it first time today. Interestingly, they played 2 clips for transition back to back. The first was the above, and the second clip was Tetrishead by Zoe Keating! http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=3 (scroll to mid-page it is just after >middle east> In Israel) regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego --Apple-Mail-1--235005066 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Today on NPR = (Thursday) Morning Edition they played a very nice clip for transition = between segments by these guys
http://tinyurl.com/2btx6t2<= /div>
the clip was from the song = Gainako, sort of Ali Farka Toure-ish with njarka work = etc.

Not new, from 2009, but = just heard it first time today.

Interestingly, they played = 2 clips for transition back to back. The first was the above, and the = second clip was
Tetrishead by Zoe = Keating!
(scroll to mid-page it is just = after >middle east> In Israel)

regards

BobC


= --Apple-Mail-1--235005066-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 30 23:51:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 125571834C0; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <87F1EACECE69487D90591034B1C823AB@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><4D1CEC2C.7070401@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:51:34 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:51:42 +0000 (UTC) ?I smell the seeds of an existentialist looping play. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Duke Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. Maybe it's time for The Quest for Leinhos, Peter! :) Right up there with the Quests for Order, Understanding and Meaning eh? Jeff On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > It is said that when Leinhos, Peter is back IN the office that > the 'end times' are nigh. > > It is said, Frogs will rain from the sky and > musicians will be paid fare wages, commensurate with their > skill and expertise. The public will suddenly begin > paying for downloads and buying CDs at gigs, again. > > rick walker > > > > > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> this out of the office message has a mystical quality to it:-) >> >> Anony >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Per Boysen >> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> *Sent:* Thu, December 30, 2010 11:35:34 AM >> *Subject:* Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. >> >> Who is this person! Does he post to the list except for these >> automatically generated mail server messages that bounce back and >> forth around holiday time? He is a kind of list legend now, his "Out >> Of Office..." T-shirt worn by many! >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se >> www.perboysen.com >> www.looproom.com internet music hub >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:31 AM, > > wrote: >> > >> > I will be out of the office starting 12/30/2010 and will not return >> > until >> > 01/03/2011. >> > >> > For telecom, Audio or Video issues, contact Greg Bouffard @ 323 932 >> > 3793 >> > >> > ***** PLEASE NOTE ***** This E-Mail/telefax message and any >> > documents accompanying this transmission may contain privileged >> > and/or confidential information and is intended solely for the >> > addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended >> > addressee/recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of, >> > disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on the contents of >> > this E-Mail/telefax information is strictly prohibited and may >> > result in legal action against you. Please reply to the sender >> > advising of the error in transmission and immediately >> > delete/destroy the message and any accompanying documents. Thank >> > you.***** >> > >> > >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 00:02:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 469A81834C4; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--233539451 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Fwd: OT SYNTHETIC MODES Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:02:36 -0800 References: <118338B6-6E84-4A12-A23D-740266818C86@baymoon.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:02:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--233539451 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Now, my question is, how were these synthetic modes derived? > here is the Wikipedia definition which seems in alignment with what > I learned in music school. Incidentally Leinhos, Peter is out of > the office.!!! > happy new year one and all. > bill http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_scale --Apple-Mail-2--233539451 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Now, my question is, how were these synthetic modes = derived?
 here is = the Wikipedia definition which seems in alignment with what I learned in = music school. Incidentally  Leinhos, Peter is out of the = office.!!!
 happy = new year one and all.
 bill
 http://en.wiki= pedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_scale= --Apple-Mail-2--233539451-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 00:19:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5BBB1834C8; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zweVIgCTOywX8SrJVXVW5vvx+CAvansURYZNA8xbv5U=; b=ml/QGLpVaZevg0oRPRS2j91E5UHq1Ves05dDxfxc8Wa3dUFeXMsLoJkDPw8R+VjGCX z+ebb7rJihJ0/c2qkJRapKpMtu66NxYwLSlJ/n1q27NPFbeoexMZs2A4TZGRDk4czkK1 DiYt+Gr/0oHEJ2NxilNuBzVL9i7Gp1hrfFpXg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EaS1axXGebUwAtJ2oUSOe/i9hezXdL5VlCg7M86Ceg+Dh9evdPzYr2zvAMC2Q6exv4 yC/m+NfmgSsVGk4jafPh1C70GMqxDsg19qGBbdbOY6aywuPnP0fRR86u9etLxqW18hbC lWpXweheYVG6lhQzSCkJ+ExFg0dGMVCXkJxU4= Message-ID: <4D1D219C.5090905@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 01:19:40 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: Heavily OT: Release Announcement - "Akustik Kies: Transitiv Sehen" (solo acoustic piano) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Brethren, I'm proud to announce the release of the first part of my double album of solo acoustic piano stuff, "Akustik Kies". This double album contains solo piano performances from my 2010 MoinSound Studio Sessions bi-weekly live performances (which some of you were so kind to attend virtually). Now this is why it's OT: the first part "Transitiv Sehen", is piano without anything else. Meaning no huge surreal reverb spaces, no cascading modulated delays, and no loops. No komische Elektronik. No safety net. Still, I'd be delighted if you'd check it out: Blog Article: http://moinsound.wordpress.com/2010/12/31/album-relase-akustik-kies-transitiv-sehen/ moinlabs.de: http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=288 bandcamp: http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/album/akustik-kies-transitiv-sehen The download includes a fancy 12-page PDF booklet and an additional track not available for streaming - and it's name your price (including nothing at all)! The second part, "Reflexiv Hören", is scheduled for release Q1/2011 and will give you all the crazy loop (and otherwise) processing you long for ;). Yours, Rainer btw: reviews, comments, critizism (of any kind) very welcome! -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 00:23:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46BE21834C7; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_m6NcYPhcrzQtDdgtDB30og)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=5 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012300104 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-30_13:2010-12-30,2010-12-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <809DD7F811BD4D09BFE3D9EB26E0FC2E@NORBY11> From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <118338B6-6E84-4A12-A23D-740266818C86@baymoon.com> Subject: Re: OT SYNTHETIC MODES Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:22:48 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: <3jKiF.A.pkE.tJSHNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:23:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_m6NcYPhcrzQtDdgtDB30og) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT "The pitches of synthetic scales may duplicate pre-existing scales though their derivation is different and their use is often quite different." ----- Original Message ----- From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: Fwd: OT SYNTHETIC MODES Now, my question is, how were these synthetic modes derived? here is the Wikipedia definition which seems in alignment with what I learned in music school. Incidentally Leinhos, Peter is out of the office.!!! happy new year one and all. bill http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_scale --Boundary_(ID_m6NcYPhcrzQtDdgtDB30og) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
"The pitches of synthetic scales may duplicate pre-existing scales though their derivation is different and their use is often quite different."
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Now, my question is, how were these synthetic modes derived?
 here is the Wikipedia definition which seems in alignment with what I learned in music school. Incidentally  Leinhos, Peter is out of the office.!!!
 happy new year one and all.
 bill
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_scale
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--00163628354ec9d4e40498aae2dc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 01:50:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 087691834C4; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 01:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBA88D.0C03CADF" Subject: Zoe on NPR Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:50:01 -0800 Message-ID: <864434907DE0E9429B16AD587941F73F078AF38B@EXVBE010-2.exch010.intermedia.net> In-Reply-To: <5BA362A9-1CA4-47BF-A76B-341846FB50BF@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Zoe on NPR Thread-Index: AcuoeqliqfNKp9LqTFal4Z7LUy4YfgAEkW+Q References: <4D1520CD.404@cruzio.com> <4D1B532F.1000007@gmail.com> <4D1D0BA5.8030001@googlemail.com> <5BA362A9-1CA4-47BF-A76B-341846FB50BF@gmail.com> From: "Andy Owens" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2010 01:50:06.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C49CF50:01CBA88D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 01:50:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBA88D.0C03CADF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey congrats Zoe that is cool, and nice piece!! =20 From: RP Collier [mailto:skeptikalist@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Musical discoveries of 2010 =20 =20 Today on NPR (Thursday) Morning Edition they played a very nice clip for transition between segments by these guys http://tinyurl.com/2btx6t2 the clip was from the song Gainako, sort of Ali Farka Toure-ish with njarka work etc. Not new, from 2009, but just heard it first time today. Interestingly, they played 2 clips for transition back to back. The first was the above, and the second clip was Tetrishead by Zoe Keating! http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=3D3 (scroll to mid-page it is just after >middle east> In Israel) regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j =20 http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBA88D.0C03CADF Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey congrats Zoe that is cool, and nice = piece!!

 

From:= RP Collier [mailto:skeptikalist@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:38 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT: Musical discoveries of = 2010

 

 

Today on NPR (Thursday) Morning Edition they played = a very nice clip for transition between segments by these guys

the clip was from = the song Gainako, sort of Ali Farka Toure-ish with njarka work = etc.



Not new, from 2009, = but just heard it first time today.



Interestingly, they = played 2 clips for transition back to back. The first was the above, and the = second clip was

Tetrishead by Zoe = Keating!

(scroll to mid-page = it is just after >middle east> In Israel)



regards



BobC



------_=_NextPart_001_01CBA88D.0C03CADF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 01:54:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 046E91834CD; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 01:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1D37C4.4080804@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:54:12 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Hamburg CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The EDP and the Looperlative and me References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 01:54:21 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > My suspicion is that if I ignored a bunch of functionality on the Looperlative and built up an appropriately programmed MIDI controller, I could probably get what I want, but I feel like I'm threading a needle whereas the EDP actually has a fair amount that's tuned and ready to go out of the box with nothing more than its standard controller pedal and possibly an expression pedal for feedback (though see the notes about stereo...). I hear all the things you say about the EDP versus the Looperlative but one thing mystifies me? The EDP was labyrinthine to understand and took a long time for me. It was not intuitive until after I got the paradigm. The Looperlative can be programmed in 5 minutes with any midi controller because of it's midi learn function. It is so vastly easier to use than the EDP that it's not funny, imho. It is true that it has a different paradigm than the EDP which had to rely on clever programming to make up for a very old and slow processor. IMHO, the people who invented and programmed the Loop IV software are all a bunch of unmitigated geniuses. It's an amazing instrument and truly different than the EDP, but I find I can do everything I like about the EDP in the Looperlative and a whole lot more (especially with 8 simultaneous stereo tracks and the ability to have them sync or not sync together). But I'm a multi-instrumentalist and I think that the Looperlative's fluidity in handling multiple timbres and indepenedent tracks with all of the vast ability to process the outputs appeals to me more than if I were, say, a solo guitarist, where the approach is intrinsically more linear. The EDP is the coolest expression of linearity, but to me, it's like comparing a black and white television with a color television when it's put up against the vast amount of possibilities of the Looperlative. respectfully, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 02:01:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED1BE1834D0; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable x-cr-hashedpuzzle: Bglx Bwq7 CCko CjBN D6ia FpLr GcdI Gvs4 HYYR HYyd H0la I28n JMMn JnHr Jvf6 JzFz;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{CC31677E-5507-4A04-90B8-C86FC6400FE2};YQBuAGQAeQBAADEAOAAwADAAZABpAGEAbAB3AG8AcgBkAC4AYwBvAG0A;Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:01:44 GMT;SABhAHAAcAB5ACAATgBlAHcAIABZAGUAYQByAHMA x-cr-puzzleid: {CC31677E-5507-4A04-90B8-C86FC6400FE2} Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Happy New Years Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:01:44 -0800 Message-ID: <864434907DE0E9429B16AD587941F73F078AF38C@EXVBE010-2.exch010.intermedia.net> In-Reply-To: <4D1D37C4.4080804@cruzio.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Happy New Years Thread-Index: AcuojaZ69rjH9XmsSRicUrA9WzufaQAAHnEA References: <4D1D37C4.4080804@cruzio.com> From: "Andy Owens" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2010 02:01:39.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9BD50D0:01CBA88E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Well Rick, speaking of geniuses, there are sure a lot in here. About 90 percent of what ya'll expound on, I have no clue, but I just want to say that I've never seen a list that's more polite and civil and with people more helpful and openminded when it comes to all the different ways ya'll do things. I hope everyone has a happy New Year and in the coming year that you all make music that makes you, and your listeners, happy. Andy Owens From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 02:04:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E18651834D3; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable x-cr-hashedpuzzle: Alf2 BjpK CZnk C+hz D8TY GNDW GnLI G3hL HIyR Hocl H79Y IC7S I5sb KAAK K7EW Llp4;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{5B2196A1-5C91-4FAE-AB17-E0E5AFBDD74E};YQBuAGQAeQBAADEAOAAwADAAZABpAGEAbAB3AG8AcgBkAC4AYwBvAG0A;Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:04:48 GMT;VABoAGUAIABtAHkAcwB0AGUAcgBpAG8AdQBzACAAUABlAHQAZQByACAATABlAGkAbgBoAG8AcwA= x-cr-puzzleid: {5B2196A1-5C91-4FAE-AB17-E0E5AFBDD74E} Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: The mysterious Peter Leinhos Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:04:48 -0800 Message-ID: <864434907DE0E9429B16AD587941F73F078AF38D@EXVBE010-2.exch010.intermedia.net> In-Reply-To: <4D1D37C4.4080804@cruzio.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The mysterious Peter Leinhos Thread-Index: AcuojaZ69rjH9XmsSRicUrA9WzufaQAATziA References: <4D1D37C4.4080804@cruzio.com> From: "Andy Owens" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2010 02:04:42.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[16969C70:01CBA88F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Hey I found him on Linkedin and asked him to join my network! Would have sent ya'll a pic, but not one on his profile. Hey just be glad he's on digest!! Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 02:34:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C6E31834D5; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3BIb2GQhhkYQkgJn+LLRHYIag/nekkvLz18jFkV69qg=; b=sISJJZlK1nofESiRt+vPIy3dO4tORJYIps3DUNi+4J7WAFgbhtlPYtUMaxzeTqRttH WXGLqHc3TbsdDh6DhnaOIuljk9zKd1zNfIlMpswNmQAEnkTB6OXf8pMRr7mEsW6Iljl2 fqXqPbz11YApqDHjetZeaRVPaTE2Wsi6nNp3A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=SQCQ1fUfuxIEWEneBZ4P45gzW83xw3o2TuDpu4E50Gqf/eEGw6+93slfwcMcEQ6YZS bUvOqM5nhMHTAOjDAKrG8wnDY9vYdTMltEJSVbtE3dZREB3uUC3teseUipYxcuT1g49D 1wwHoKMPj1Wb7t1TERefFLdH/fjTGuwOS2CN0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <864434907DE0E9429B16AD587941F73F078AF38D@EXVBE010-2.exch010.intermedia.net> References: <4D1D37C4.4080804@cruzio.com> <864434907DE0E9429B16AD587941F73F078AF38D@EXVBE010-2.exch010.intermedia.net> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:34:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The mysterious Peter Leinhos From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367f997e8024600498aba5b2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:34:52 +0000 (UTC) --0016367f997e8024600498aba5b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 we could use that pic for the other side of the t-shirt! 2010/12/31 Andy Owens > Hey I found him on Linkedin and asked him to join my network! Would have > sent ya'll a pic, but not one on his profile. Hey just be glad he's on > digest!! > > Andy > > -- .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com --0016367f997e8024600498aba5b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable we could use that pic for the other side of the t-shirt!

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--0016367f997e8024600498aba5b2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 03:17:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 578B41834D1; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Subject: Re: The EDP and the Looperlative and me From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <4D1D37C4.4080804@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:17:12 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4A0A15EF-AA3E-448A-9CE6-E367713CFCA0@grubmah.com> References: <4D1D37C4.4080804@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:17:17 +0000 (UTC) I completely understand you preferring the Looperlative, Rick. My point = was to answer the question of why anyone might prefer the EDP which = seems to come as a shock to some people on this list. Though they might be dismissed as minor functionality, I'll note that = two items on my list can't be replicated on the Looperlative: * It doesn't have a big time readout that you can absorb at a glance. * I'm pretty sure it doesn't have a function to let you set the tempo in = advance which can actually be rather nice if you are using the looper as = the clock source. It could presumably gain the latter through a software update and maybe = approximate the former depending on how much flexibility there is = regarding its screen. But you nailed it when you said the question is whether you want to = spend your time working with multiple tracks or working in a more linear = fashion. Each can do a bit of the other, but each is also clearly = optimized around a particular point of view. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 03:27:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D05E1834D7; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1D4DAF.5020803@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:27:43 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fwd: OT SYNTHETIC MODES References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1oKEVC.A.Nh.22UHNB@hemlock> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:27:50 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, William Walker wrote: >> >> Now, my question is, how were these synthetic modes derived? >> here is the Wikipedia definition which seems in alignment with what I >> learned in music school. Incidentally Leinhos, Peter is out of the >> office.!!! >> happy new year one and all. >> * bill >> * > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_scale > So this reinforces my understanding that the scales are just augmentations (or diminutions) of the basic modes. I have for a long time used the Greek modes as a point of departure (reference) when learning Indian, Arabic, Persian, Chinese, Japanese, Malaysian, Indonesian, SouthEast Asian. I find it a useful approach and it's a lot easier to consider something an 'alteration' of something you already know. As an example, a favorite scale of mine is the Rag called 'Bhairav' which goes 1 b2 nat3 4 5 b 6 nat7 8va So it's easy to think of this as Ionian with a b2nd and a b6th or as Phrygian with a natural 3 and a natural 7th The alterations in these scales add to their sophistication or complexity, emotionally as I see it. I think it's so hip that the alteration of a single note from a typical mode causes a strong emotional response. Another of my favorite scales currently, is the Lydian mode with a flattened 7th 1 2 3 #4 5 6 b7 8va "Pretty Ballerina" by the Sixties baroque pop group, "The Left Banke" (of "Walk Away Renee" fame) is the only pop song I've ever heard that uses this scale. I just love how exotic it sounds and yet, to my ear it doesn't sound 'foreign' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 03:46:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E9B41834D7; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aDJUeoUZOB9IKMZu6PbampT439fRpoWf6cabwZPWfGk=; b=tnieqijxf+m37p0cm7070XNwlsMr1MocO7Kw5wPkAfNdo00dKZ2mkaZE9GqGWWEmfk BRYaBLX2qW8dn9TfWx1PA+VjLj76BOnGlT31HcezdggWs98yZM0Xe+okzNwZQ7IEswXc Jrs1L6T4czuYskRB6xaSmUWvilhqgy0kOLD5I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=NOzohZHa3nHYZqqYAa3j6BohRFaLbG+j2EsXd8++W7en4MVgf6DAr6frG9wKhCGfex H8WM/s2lgZwMtfYS1i+hkndg2+KRFmyt+YG6rbRAIZ6XPC1hHlRUUUotQATEQdVVUmRr uTakwjiLGOn/vIeeu46rqRk3wQV1++lIGdydg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87F1EACECE69487D90591034B1C823AB@ELUK1> References: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D1CEC2C.7070401@cruzio.com> <87F1EACECE69487D90591034B1C823AB@ELUK1> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:46:52 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. From: "^|>^m" To: Loopers_Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255751da1b3d240498aca725 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:46:53 +0000 (UTC) --0003255751da1b3d240498aca725 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Do people have Leinhos, Peter shirts? I didn't realize they had been made. Anyone got a picture of the design? I would throw down bucks for a shirt. Adam --0003255751da1b3d240498aca725 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do people have=A0Leinhos, Peter=A0shi= rts? =A0I didn't realize they had been made. =A0Anyone got a picture of= the design? =A0I would throw down bucks for a shirt.

Adam
--0003255751da1b3d240498aca725-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 03:54:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F14F1834DB; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LwUem3I7JgzOj5/K6xsrHF7RdGEBpY2wlDp/boJEz+8=; b=fYZe9VQ0aqbZJ0RTs95P/CjpkgKKI4c6Y3vLKjCzc+Mv15SmH/wrwHAu3LRmt+2heT 49EN2pTxTUFJ5YIcsHuJihIS9LWl4dv9u25+1/6FsbmcfzezybKtrgngI6odR5QlCXML g7XgrZiBWSpBAWyph0i2ll6hBhGIWGMstDvKk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=FEHRyrQYt+R5ArCDN6E9ciWW9xcqgqX8EgUhbIh5mYgQKR6ZmnFzokWc8P15fkCJ/K uTWtFm9EHWxmZ/eIVJtpLePMTracYY03JpwwOhy/9wERQA5ej2FhU7OC/k7QEFqlwpt3 GGmRzA3roPyOHtZFQFZteVjcmrUE0nvQWS4KA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:54:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New software multi effect plugin, PSP N20 From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e645aabc65c1310498acc115 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:54:14 +0000 (UTC) --0016e645aabc65c1310498acc115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "I still think the closest comparison is the hardware boxes Eclipse and FireworX." now i'm listening. i'll give the demo a shot. thanks for the heads-up, per. - jim --0016e645aabc65c1310498acc115 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "I still think the closest comparison is the hardware boxes Eclipse an= d FireworX."

now i'm listening.=A0 i'll give the demo a= shot.=A0 thanks for the heads-up, per.

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--0016e645aabc65c1310498acc115-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 04:31:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BE9F1834DE; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 04:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FbJIykcRdLLZtpbls0chCZLLlxUd1iQm4MtvD5sLkV4=; b=pvqJ7FjXsDH3XT0OH569ljONw+8shFn1wx3aQMTLk4edxG82Bc+KAN3aAOLm+ij8xd jd+z2aLQ7X5glYw4MuElnZLt5zXnTcjehzzKjtRxrStcOlVAR9pOznQ2KaCYtNtXdung yPPXnRR9W8Rc1zZYpSeuxhg+vZMzwwASmW4pA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Ob7ClhDTzw4AmdaRQsNkieH1erTLWDG9m/3XjAMACXRcu8ddVRQgq+eC6JfzoJzi3r gcAgRdszeLA/UPGYJah5+q44fjCbpiTbVSLxlqhLxn0xqXvO+3qt3goY4bxUOaaRJIcY k1LdG2fN0bAK5h8EkP6AZQK9YH9cYpED5RkZo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D1CEC2C.7070401@cruzio.com> <87F1EACECE69487D90591034B1C823AB@ELUK1> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 05:31:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163642751f8e8da60498ad46d1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 04:31:28 +0000 (UTC) --00163642751f8e8da60498ad46d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 oh yeah!... i'd like to have the 'official' t-shirt... maybe we could fund loopers-delight too.. 2010/12/31 ^|>^m > Do people have Leinhos, Peter shirts? I didn't realize they had been > made. Anyone got a picture of the design? I would throw down bucks for a > shirt. > > Adam > -- .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com --00163642751f8e8da60498ad46d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oh yeah!... i'd like to have the 'official' t-shirt... maybe we= could fund loopers-delight too..

2010/12/31 ^|>^m <will.it.go.round@gmail.com><= /span>
Do people have=A0Leinhos, Peter=A0shirts? =A0I didn't realize the= y had been made. =A0Anyone got a picture of the design? =A0I would throw do= wn bucks for a shirt.

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--00163642751f8e8da60498ad46d1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 10:52:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E8951834DD; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4157723F0E01456E8A6DB8517C005807@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><4D1CEC2C.7070401@cruzio.com><87F1EACECE69487D90591034B1C823AB@ELUK1> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:52:17 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01CBA8D8.CA6FFBD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:52:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CBA8D8.CA6FFBD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BFActually it would be a just thing, given that so much bandwidth = on LD seems to be taken up by =E2=80=98out of the office=E2=80=99 = bouncebacks on Leinhos, Peter emails. I=E2=80=99d propose however that = maybe a Where In The World Is Leinhos, Peter? theme be found... From: Raul Bonell=20 Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 4:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. oh yeah!... i'd like to have the 'official' t-shirt... maybe we could = fund loopers-delight too.. 2010/12/31 ^|>^m Do people have Leinhos, Peter shirts? I didn't realize they had been = made. Anyone got a picture of the design? I would throw down bucks for = a shirt.=20 Adam --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CBA8D8.CA6FFBD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually it would be a just thing, given that so much bandwidth on = LD seems=20 to be taken up by =E2=80=98out of the office=E2=80=99 bouncebacks on = Leinhos, Peter=20 emails.  I=E2=80=99d propose however that maybe a Where In The = World Is Leinhos,=20 Peter? theme be found...
 
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oh=20 yeah!... i'd like to have the 'official' t-shirt... maybe we could fund=20 loopers-delight too..

2010/12/31 ^|>^m <will.it.go.round@gmail.com= >
Do people have Leinhos,=20 Peter shirts?  I didn't realize they had been made.  = Anyone=20 got a picture of the design?  I would throw down bucks for a = shirt.=20
 
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------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CBA8D8.CA6FFBD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 10:52:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECDCD1834DB; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=u5rDRICax41i/kVxlktM8QoH4PpNVJObcsxpdxiE2+Q=; b=qaaf0fenhoOSDfAD2uEKZU4c7UDWOoRNVI1C5c6mexqeb4EC8jtWvxB5RRR3a13NQX gu8eTWXKjbTr6GNk6zeDU/WI0TS46w5XtTxMnj0z7Hd30rgXiNeuE6LsYMJG/hCSEHeB rW65e/4uNIjoxOsskJK0usG3qhhkdbqETTssM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=aN0N984MHClEEoxYxJoBnIL7GSDkTVQ/P0A4K+MdVwf9UMworjCWbLKY9oauBG82Uo x0bfu1qT+U5tQUzA5m26ZqjPAQRCeYMuTLibnxv2OWzItsV75dVTuT5NX64MlTdn5Zvx 0AHkNHih4ndyL6nAs6wtpewjqQviP6qYj1ncc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5BA362A9-1CA4-47BF-A76B-341846FB50BF@gmail.com> References: <4D1520CD.404@cruzio.com> <4D1B532F.1000007@gmail.com> <4D1D0BA5.8030001@googlemail.com> <5BA362A9-1CA4-47BF-A76B-341846FB50BF@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:52:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Musical discoveries of 2010 From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054ad1de541790498b29945 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:52:42 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054ad1de541790498b29945 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tell No Lies album on spotify: Juldeh Camara =96 Tell No Lies 2010/12/31 RP Collier > > Today on NPR (Thursday) Morning Edition they played a very nice clip for > transition between segments by these guys > http://tinyurl.com/2btx6t2 > the clip was from the song Gainako, sort of Ali Farka Toure-ish with njar= ka > work etc. > > Not new, from 2009, but just heard it first time today. > > Interestingly, they played 2 clips for transition back to back. The first > was the above, and the second clip was > Tetrishead by Zoe Keating! > http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=3D3 > (scroll to mid-page it is just after >middle east> In Israel) > > regards > > BobC > > http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j > > http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --20cf3054ad1de541790498b29945 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tell No Lies album on spotify:

Juldeh Camara =96 Tell No Lies


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Today on NPR (Thursday) Morning Edition = they played a very nice clip for transition between segments by these guys<= /div>
the clip was from the song G= ainako, sort of Ali Farka Toure-ish with njarka work etc.

Not new, from 2009, but just heard it fir= st time today.

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Tetrishead by Zoe Keating!



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--20cf3054ad1de541790498b29945-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 10:55:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8139D1834E4; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=m4kB/32J+RZwjxCbs8FWX/pF/afS7cI2/1tarxDTWp4=; b=kOLRw89Pi3ES0z4RwI+YPYNYN2/ThtATA9gfWkcFD7uedwaXirkqDuXy1hes1O+m8s o2OBHXcq28jEhvNpldCvvzCtGHaKh8E9rDP5vhbAGJlJKAawZTQhwjzbJ0/35ufLBVeI a+bg7KGVs1+b4Itww7+gzlTBPv/17jd4/+EKU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hvzPafWVpJ5fmRXr3J+0zhkgRB4htTQlbbafe9idHOTnevQiftdjDJpRuN76GLd3fA JVoYMtAk0pswBGubZNznf9IgnpeYN+xtuk0zxoZPUHikzZURNu2MV8UD3R3E09oPrhs/ 9GE2FAZlP2ocn5rljSB1oCPxr/efw+B1CUrAE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:55:18 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New software multi effect plugin, PSP N20 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:55:19 +0000 (UTC) > "I still think the closest comparison is the hardware boxes Eclipse and > FireworX." > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 4:54 AM, james fowler wrote: > now i'm listening.=C2=A0 i'll give the demo a shot.=C2=A0 thanks for the = heads-up, per. Cool :-). I have had a couple of days now with the N2O and can only say that I just love this modular multi effect plugin! I have assigned expression pedals to morph the sound while I'm playing live through the thing and this works well. Not a single click or zipper noise, as many other effect plugins perform when continuous parameters are changed in real-time. And it is really light on the CPU, must be exceptionally well coded regarding Intel optimization I guess (SSE). The default patches make a good library and for the layout is logic and powerful for creating your own live processing patches. Here's a a bunch of instruction videos: http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/multimode_effects/psp_n2o/psp_n2o_video= / Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 11:19:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 865D81834E2; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/IvRR/KTqCHOUWr950QdomvIsqIyr7RQk19gex/O7zQ=; b=Vfu0m2W4nQoFZUfOtK9B0m7M5ohnISmE1lcLqaSCxa5FaEdpbb/qjbXJDkuDHXZ7KP dukU4sn0zbSGcSLtGAzOejfLfhcDJSp7ztwtYSyIspPIL3YA/93+kkRdnJtyzRlh0x1g DNYESx1epprrvlnd5bSf7Zk4zzt3TWgbciTo4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=I2NyYomvJcmKyAEbmoX7pkNQygiz6wmYrWEMhgOlF5TqgsWx5wLxcsmYLZE7lQ4vtF BhryxxprcKqF2IfZXE2weAU4ESozbG9JB/bfelrrMim7f6FYPZUHj/Fjs/Jkb0qcOPA9 GHn+CTYTmB72Ojz80CIIJyzc6R0yyVeH9YrxA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <864434907DE0E9429B16AD587941F73F078AF38B@EXVBE010-2.exch010.intermedia.net> References: <4D1520CD.404@cruzio.com> <4D1B532F.1000007@gmail.com> <4D1D0BA5.8030001@googlemail.com> <5BA362A9-1CA4-47BF-A76B-341846FB50BF@gmail.com> <864434907DE0E9429B16AD587941F73F078AF38B@EXVBE010-2.exch010.intermedia.net> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:19:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoe on NPR From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:19:51 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Andy Owens wrote: > Today on NPR (Thursday) Morning Edition they played a very nice clip for > transition between segments by these guys > > http://tinyurl.com/2btx6t2 > > the clip was from the song Gainako, sort of Ali Farka Toure-ish with njarka > work etc. Such a lovely mash-up of Chicago blues, African and mid east stuff! Some parts spiced up with the legendary Bo Diddley beat too - wow!! Awesome! I like this :-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 13:37:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F36E71834E8; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Bunp92NIIcLC3Z1ch4OIlW47Mg3JuIvC+mrL8l3Y+Sp7VFEiFXeW5rbJBL1Yp3iHCOO1BTLwrqpSsDPv0k9VryeZi/k3xs+wgEqLWtXaoWzBycOryUIhpuWNR/+MhBUd; Message-ID: <20101231073753.yz50gpqiu8kg048g@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 07:37:53 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. References: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><4D1CEC2C.7070401@cruzio.com><87F1EACECE69487D90591034B1C823AB@ELUK1> <4157723F0E01456E8A6DB8517C005807@ELUK1> In-Reply-To: <4157723F0E01456E8A6DB8517C005807@ELUK1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:37:55 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to purchase one of these t-shirts whenever it is available. -- Kevin Quoting Stephen Goodman : > =EF=BB=BFActually it would be a just thing, given that so much bandwidth o= n =20 > LD seems to be taken up by =E2=80=98out of the office=E2=80=99 bouncebacks= on =20 > Leinhos, Peter emails. I=E2=80=99d propose however that maybe a Where In = =20 > The World Is Leinhos, Peter? theme be found... > > From: Raul Bonell > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 4:31 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. > > oh yeah!... i'd like to have the 'official' t-shirt... maybe we =20 > could fund loopers-delight too.. > > > 2010/12/31 ^|>^m > > Do people have Leinhos, Peter shirts? I didn't realize they had =20 > been made. Anyone got a picture of the design? I would throw down =20 > bucks for a shirt. > > Adam > > > > -- > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 13:52:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D59411834EA; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. References: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D1CEC2C.7070401@cruzio.com> <87F1EACECE69487D90591034B1C823AB@ELUK1> <4157723F0E01456E8A6DB8517C005807@ELUK1> <20101231073753.yz50gpqiu8kg048g@mail.kevinkissinger.com> From: "Andy Owens" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" In-Reply-To: <20101231073753.yz50gpqiu8kg048g@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Message-ID: <9473837F-7908-4E24-A147-407F019E123A@1800dialword.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:51:44 -0500 To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Thread-Topic: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. Thread-Index: Acuo8gFl0aOny49nTtqC+/4wr94V6Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2010 13:52:47.0622 (UTC) FILETIME=[01D10A60:01CBA8F2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:52:49 +0000 (UTC) V2hhdHMgZnVubnkgaXMgd2UgYWxsIGhhdmUgaGlzIGVtYWlsIGFkZHJlc3MgYW5kIGNvdWxkIGFz ayBoaW0gdG8gZGVhbCB3aXRoIGl0IGJ1dCB3ZSBoYXZlIG1vcmUgZnVuIHJpZmZpbmcgb24gaXQh IQ0KDQpTb21lYm9keSBzYWlkIHRoZXkgZ290IHRzaGlydCBzY3JlZW5zIGZvciBDaHJpc3RtYXMu Li4uLnNvdW5kcyBsaWtlIGFuIGVudHJlcHJlbnVyYWwgY2hhbmNlIHRvIG1lISENCg0KQW5keSBP d2Vucw0KMS04MDAtQW5keU93ZW5zDQpTZW50IGZyb20gbXkgaVBob25lDQpTbyB0aGUgdHlwaW5n IG1pZ2h0IG5vdCBiZSBteSBiZXN0IQ0KDQoNCk9uIERlYyAzMSwgMjAxMCwgYXQgODozNyBBTSwg ImtraXNzaW5nZXJAa2V2aW5raXNzaW5nZXIuY29tIiA8a2tpc3NpbmdlckBrZXZpbmtpc3Npbmdl ci5jb20+IHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IEknZCBsaWtlIHRvIHB1cmNoYXNlIG9uZSBvZiB0aGVzZSB0LXNo aXJ0cyB3aGVuZXZlciBpdCBpcyBhdmFpbGFibGUuDQo+IA0KPiAtLSBLZXZpbg0KPiANCj4gUXVv dGluZyBTdGVwaGVuIEdvb2RtYW4gPHNwZ29vZG1hbkBlYXJ0aGxpZ2h0Lm5ldD46DQo+IA0KPj4g 77u/QWN0dWFsbHkgaXQgd291bGQgYmUgYSBqdXN0IHRoaW5nLCBnaXZlbiB0aGF0IHNvIG11Y2gg YmFuZHdpZHRoIG9uICBMRCBzZWVtcyB0byBiZSB0YWtlbiB1cCBieSDigJhvdXQgb2YgdGhlIG9m ZmljZeKAmSBib3VuY2ViYWNrcyBvbiAgTGVpbmhvcywgUGV0ZXIgZW1haWxzLiAgSeKAmWQgcHJv cG9zZSBob3dldmVyIHRoYXQgbWF5YmUgYSBXaGVyZSBJbiAgVGhlIFdvcmxkIElzIExlaW5ob3Ms IFBldGVyPyB0aGVtZSBiZSBmb3VuZC4uLg0KPj4gDQo+PiBGcm9tOiBSYXVsIEJvbmVsbA0KPj4g U2VudDogRnJpZGF5LCBEZWNlbWJlciAzMSwgMjAxMCA0OjMxIEFNDQo+PiBUbzogTG9vcGVycy1E ZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20NCj4+IFN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBMZWluaG9zLCBQZXRl ciBpcyBvdXQgb2YgdGhlIG9mZmljZS4NCj4+IA0KPj4gb2ggeWVhaCEuLi4gaSdkIGxpa2UgdG8g aGF2ZSB0aGUgJ29mZmljaWFsJyB0LXNoaXJ0Li4uIG1heWJlIHdlICBjb3VsZCBmdW5kIGxvb3Bl cnMtZGVsaWdodCB0b28uLg0KPj4gDQo+PiANCj4+IDIwMTAvMTIvMzEgXnw+Xm0gPHdpbGwuaXQu Z28ucm91bmRAZ21haWwuY29tPg0KPj4gDQo+PiAgRG8gcGVvcGxlIGhhdmUgTGVpbmhvcywgUGV0 ZXIgc2hpcnRzPyAgSSBkaWRuJ3QgcmVhbGl6ZSB0aGV5IGhhZCAgYmVlbiBtYWRlLiAgQW55b25l IGdvdCBhIHBpY3R1cmUgb2YgdGhlIGRlc2lnbj8gIEkgd291bGQgdGhyb3cgZG93biAgYnVja3Mg Zm9yIGEgc2hpcnQuDQo+PiANCj4+ICBBZGFtDQo+PiANCj4+IA0KPj4gDQo+PiAtLQ0KPj4gLi0u LS4tLi0uLS4tLi0uLS4tLi0uLS4tLi0uLS4tLi0uLS4tLi0uLS4tLi0uLS4tLi0uLS4tLg0KPj4g cmF1bGJvbmVsbC50dW1ibHIuY29tIC0gY29sbGVjdGl2ZS5jb20NCj4+IA0KPj4gDQo+PiANCj4g DQo+IA0KPiANCg== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 14:28:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D776E1834EC; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=czpB593hzP12rRnjM4ddn/1J/4NZ2YXfIK1u2eYULhM=; b=Aug4fVRD7vtt8/T/5e2FebE2LG/Elw/9lgNptgrrMuxj+Gv5ysqxZ9zj+6kxt1kfcz 9a4TBHKEQIxqyXaf09y2bNXcZPVkZ0yWukyu0aUV3FnoKD3jpHmLGBQbURsiJodqfdkR dFiL5pum77sdVD39Iyxwiymunm9sPxxTLnHw0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gXHB06B1eQHEBe3XQIi8a/85sBvDvsr0dCPt724+jG94w2iGFZV/5Ke3q4/O11DlgJ dbvRTOVE4Gjhn8bP0+IqZR+CBSukEtU3Oq1/R/FiGnpDar+5k3P5bkbFndkKYI0Hrh1k BEyvC6lZP3HTUhrcb8TbVjy3gxZ0a9gjnb02s= Message-ID: <4D1DE867.7010307@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 09:27:51 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fwd: OT SYNTHETIC MODES References: <4D1D4DAF.5020803@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4D1D4DAF.5020803@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Jdc8.A.R1H.zheHNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:28:03 +0000 (UTC) A friend taught me this Rag, calling it the "Hindustani" scale. Dunno where that may come from, but it's a goodie for sure. The Lydian flat 7th is the fourth mode of the melodic minor scale, a great source of cool scales. I dig the fifth mode too, Mixolydian flat 6th (which works over augmented 7th chords if you want to stay relatively inside). ah, notes... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > As an example, a favorite scale of mine is the Rag called 'Bhairav' > which goes > > 1 b2 nat3 4 5 b 6 nat7 8va > > So it's easy to think of this as Ionian with a b2nd and a b6th > > or as Phrygian with a natural 3 and a natural 7th > > > The alterations in these scales add to their sophistication or > complexity, emotionally > as I see it. > > I think it's so hip that the alteration of a single note from a > typical mode > causes a strong emotional response. > > Another of my favorite scales currently, is > the Lydian mode with a flattened 7th > > 1 2 3 #4 5 6 b7 8va > > > "Pretty Ballerina" by the Sixties baroque pop group, "The Left Banke" > (of "Walk Away Renee" fame) is the only pop song I've ever heard that > uses this scale. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 14:46:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 181EF1834EE; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mVcDNn6bI1vDG9es1bUOD84dbCVyeA5qjeW1Mikin4w=; b=cky083eMyLwnRNJbi712zpAgbOkFF67MW8V/mx/fTGUTojqMoleMr1V7UGcQEAem7a xUjNwM7VPcsEjWC/1R1CxGA803cfB9uv/1ELnkARk3PuLzGDkOg3kXuT+ODSDOMOmHRi cDtrOME4vSwsqeDhya/ekSH+gMoegwEeGYf94= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Att5/53Ekv87P3giuFW8ivnqcIBOUHw7XK00FDXo9G3hi/L95L6aYZ9rl5gDPEh6MJ Ze9Kk1m8/vVwoqeavv74Hl3sCo8M+xuzIIA02yrPqtbAS4Jf71cpCyruqHB6VOeRpTDd cd9Ym17ARN9W6zk2ivdN66umXuOhtHlbxSsoo= Message-ID: <4D1DECA9.2040701@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 09:46:01 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: OT: On Minimalism (possibly loop-related) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:46:22 +0000 (UTC) I found this interesting, as a big fan of minimalist composers. I was struck instantly by how these observations could apply to listening to loop-based music. To wit: -- As a listener, you a free to build your own experience of the piece, and often that focus is on subtleties. You may focus on submelodies, countermelodies, overtones, acoustics, metrical ambiguity, timbral combinations, etc. -- www.chambermusiciantoday.com/blog/posts/How-to-Listen-to-Minimalism/ Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 14:51:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9ACF1834F0; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1+Slk4GttJTaMxIwJesUJ8cwTcEAn+3qH2QyMlSEGhc=; b=eoFgrhaPyq1IaP7PXyzi5Fr3uo49+ItVH+/09lt+uAgDMy9pAd9XLqS9W3ieaB03en +Ew7Ty6inds1Kt1iLFFeUlhOfEmnGlvSg0UeT1t/HgR8K83qn6FbweyREzOHbGivZOGZ FtVCoXmWVlR1rH7DCe6hlmZ9SBJYwr6iuPKYg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Sj6akmDaXpGGjvwgvfd8Rc8R5YoTqNLAUVnOqYdUZ0BtUVo1wsW2Z75zKQKcrJ9h51 hG96pDy2a1QLSaGmbP56E3Nc+DhkWnCX8jPmAv9UiKYY0gITNY3IJ1dAX4QkkqRnwZR3 /kkV2Kpp+oWS6df4yY2vHp+gUOEztmgExCefo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A0A15EF-AA3E-448A-9CE6-E367713CFCA0@grubmah.com> References: <4D1D37C4.4080804@cruzio.com> <4A0A15EF-AA3E-448A-9CE6-E367713CFCA0@grubmah.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 06:51:28 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The EDP and the Looperlative and me From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5ab67f2779a0498b5efac Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:51:30 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5ab67f2779a0498b5efac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i had both and chose the EDP at the end,it seems a lot more responsive and with loopIV hard to make it crash in fact it never did.Unfortunately the EDP in stereo with 2 units synced was never stable enough so i use it in mono.The other drag is that you better have a midi controller that sends notes on otherwise good luck. the LP1 attractiveness for me was its stereo capabilities and easy to program with a foot controller.But it did crashed on me a lot and did not give me the confidence to go on stage with it,but my unit had other faults,it was quite noisy so i think i unfortunately got a faulty unit. I never got to compare the midi sync possiblitiies but the EDP rocks on that department as well. just my 2 cents oh and happy new year!!! Luis On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I completely understand you preferring the Looperlative, Rick. My point was > to answer the question of why anyone might prefer the EDP which seems to > come as a shock to some people on this list. > > Though they might be dismissed as minor functionality, I'll note that two > items on my list can't be replicated on the Looperlative: > > * It doesn't have a big time readout that you can absorb at a glance. > > * I'm pretty sure it doesn't have a function to let you set the tempo in > advance which can actually be rather nice if you are using the looper as the > clock source. > > It could presumably gain the latter through a software update and maybe > approximate the former depending on how much flexibility there is regarding > its screen. > > But you nailed it when you said the question is whether you want to spend > your time working with multiple tracks or working in a more linear fashion. > Each can do a bit of the other, but each is also clearly optimized around a > particular point of view. > > Mark > > --001636c5ab67f2779a0498b5efac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i had both and chose the EDP=A0 at the end,it seems a lot more responsive a= nd with loopIV hard to make it crash in fact it never did.Unfortunately the= EDP in stereo with 2 units synced was never stable enough so i use it in m= ono.The other drag is that you better have a midi controller that sends not= es on otherwise good luck.
the LP1 attractiveness for me was its stereo capabilities and easy to progr= am with a foot controller.But it did crashed on me a lot and did not give m= e the confidence to go on stage with it,but my unit had other faults,it was= quite noisy so i think i unfortunately got a faulty unit.
I never got to compare the midi sync possiblitiies but the EDP rocks on tha= t department as well.
just my 2 cents

oh and happy new year!!!Luis








On Thu,= Dec 30, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
I completely unde= rstand you preferring the Looperlative, Rick. My point was to answer the qu= estion of why anyone might prefer the EDP which seems to come as a shock to= some people on this list.

Though they might be dismissed as minor functionality, I'll note that t= wo items on my list can't be replicated on the Looperlative:

* It doesn't have a big time readout that you can absorb at a glance.
* I'm pretty sure it doesn't have a function to let you set the tem= po in advance which can actually be rather nice if you are using the looper= as the clock source.

It could presumably gain the latter through a software update and maybe app= roximate the former depending on how much flexibility there is regarding it= s screen.

But you nailed it when you said the question is whether you want to spend y= our time working with multiple tracks or working in a more linear fashion. = Each can do a bit of the other, but each is also clearly optimized around a= particular point of view.

Mark


--001636c5ab67f2779a0498b5efac-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 15:05:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93D941834F2; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CYuwbjfcp89stcrIXxsNaGrzz68QBn5tNK74Y5By+L8=; b=luQGWSQitQXbZbTbbnoBQ4vI1lb8z9UF5dQGNg+knj9R1ajGzTtI2cM34Bpu5wcpqu pmeeichpBNjJmG8MQCPF/+LQr74qc7Rh8sH5hSCWVRizz7C8tyhzHK1UHLQiroIWl7lK QrvrxwhiFG/wuLruLVL8K0ViH7gr+2RyJ0xYs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hyuOJ+dzMPKJ55MPbYJ/yOpm1In0+4musstqbjwWxkuxYJdcr1FMUCcy633ncGnbMq RZZWUvsq2p3joSV4Ua47sXIZ0OT2I5Xcr/R/Di9j5bocdiHc5WiLgp0j70cvg3DbIMMS KZs4HMUXHBLJc/Ma31l6xheg7lpmZofVzhtl0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D1D219C.5090905@googlemail.com> References: <4D1D219C.5090905@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:05:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Heavily OT: Release Announcement - "Akustik Kies: Transitiv Sehen" (solo acoustic piano) From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a71992de5b0498b62231 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:05:40 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3054a71992de5b0498b62231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rainer this sounds wonderful. I'm going to DL now. This will catch me up for many of the Moinsound 'live's's I have unfortunately missed. Happy New Year and much creativity to you. Jim On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Brethren, > > I'm proud to announce the release of the first part of my double album of > solo acoustic piano stuff, "Akustik Kies". > > This double album contains solo piano performances from my 2010 MoinSound > Studio Sessions bi-weekly live performances (which some of you were so ki= nd > to attend virtually). > > Now this is why it's OT: the first part "Transitiv Sehen", is piano witho= ut > anything else. Meaning no huge surreal reverb spaces, no cascading modula= ted > delays, and no loops. No komische Elektronik. No safety net. > > Still, I'd be delighted if you'd check it out: > Blog Article: > http://moinsound.wordpress.com/2010/12/31/album-relase-akustik-kies-trans= itiv-sehen/ > moinlabs.de: http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=3D288 > bandcamp: http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/album/akustik-kies-transitiv-sehen > > The download includes a fancy 12-page PDF booklet and an additional track > not available for streaming - and it's name your price (including nothing= at > all)! > > The second part, "Reflexiv H=F6ren", is scheduled for release Q1/2011 and > will give you all the crazy loop (and otherwise) processing you long for = ;). > > Yours, > > Rainer > > btw: reviews, comments, critizism (of any kind) very welcome! > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > --=20 >From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com --20cf3054a71992de5b0498b62231 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rainer this sounds wonderful. =A0I'm going to DL now. =A0This will catc= h me up for many of the Moinsound 'live's's I have unfortunatel= y missed. =A0Happy New Year and much creativity to you.

= Jim

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Rainer Stra= schill <mo= insound@googlemail.com> wrote:
Brethren,

I'm proud to announce the release of the first part of my double album = of solo acoustic piano stuff, "Akustik Kies".

This double album contains solo piano performances from my 2010 MoinSound S= tudio Sessions bi-weekly live performances (which some of you were so kind = to attend virtually).

Now this is why it's OT: the first part "Transitiv Sehen", is= piano without anything else. Meaning no huge surreal reverb spaces, no cas= cading modulated delays, and no loops. No komische Elektronik. No safety ne= t.

Still, I'd be delighted if you'd check it out:
Blog Article: http://moinsound.word= press.com/2010/12/31/album-relase-akustik-kies-transitiv-sehen/
moinlabs.de: http://moinlab= s.de/index.php?id=3D288
bandcamp: http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/album/akustik-kie= s-transitiv-sehen

The download includes a fancy 12-page PDF booklet and an additional track n= ot available for streaming - and it's name your price (including nothin= g at all)!

The second part, "Reflexiv H=F6ren", is scheduled for release Q1/= 2011 and will give you all the crazy loop (and otherwise) processing you lo= ng for ;).

Yours,

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Rainer

btw: reviews, comments, critizism (of any kind) very welcome!

--
http://moinlabs.de
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs




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From Brooklyn To= Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6r= n.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.= =A0 jimgoodinpeterthorn= .bandcamp.com.

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--20cf3054a71992de5b0498b62231-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 15:46:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AB2E1834F4; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Subject: Re: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. From: Reyn Ouwehand In-Reply-To: <9473837F-7908-4E24-A147-407F019E123A@1800dialword.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:45:56 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <74F06B31-196A-4DC7-9D7F-620B30D7B47B@reyn.net> References: <549374.25185.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D1CEC2C.7070401@cruzio.com> <87F1EACECE69487D90591034B1C823AB@ELUK1> <4157723F0E01456E8A6DB8517C005807@ELUK1> <20101231073753.yz50gpqiu8kg048g@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <9473837F-7908-4E24-A147-407F019E123A@1800dialword.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: <8mzoqC.A.1xB.3qfHNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:45:59 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 31, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Andy Owens wrote: > Whats funny is we all have his email address and could ask him to deal = with it but we have more fun riffing on it!! Yeh true, and I did try to to reach him, but he was out of the office... = :-S R.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 16:11:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38FAC1834F5; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:11:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_AFzBQc0sS4d0xHsZqADsMA)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1010190000 definitions=main-1012310047 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-12-31_08:2010-12-31,2010-12-31,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <8D9E656E-4999-4828-8B34-5994171CB324@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <4D1D4DAF.5020803@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: OT SYNTHETIC MODES Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 09:11:18 -0700 References: <4D1D4DAF.5020803@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:11:20 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_AFzBQc0sS4d0xHsZqADsMA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT more modal madness for exploration: - Messiaen's modes of limited transposition << Modes of limited transposition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia >> - Slonimsky's book: Thesaurus of scales and melodic patterns << Amazon.com: Thesaurus Of Scales And Melodic Patterns (Text) (9780825614491): Nicolas Slonimsky: Books >> - invent your own..... > > --Boundary_(ID_AFzBQc0sS4d0xHsZqADsMA) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT more modal madness for exploration:

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--Boundary_(ID_AFzBQc0sS4d0xHsZqADsMA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 16:27:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F21EF1834F3; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=WcJIeSinXY5NR+C9/weU7As3NYe9ywUVYWrpouLS9GM=; b=S3VF0BpSAuHyoFoixS8R6x0PYIOO9jHyaIpb4yxw8r5TMYRcPu0jlNP9rsGhDxiNtK JuMVznBJ2yC3YO30qRWrrbU3rBkYwfpyPBqSDgh99yQnkTEHgXYQLNfrVDMOX+DjlU5b fdJJfIFtwOZ4/umOsR3i1pIl8Un8vJtBE6EOU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=Zga2Y1eZCNPr61ZvDdlwdkhSIIVDnhJ8sIuicYqQ7uFsQv63Cpc9DVaqe98zsIsNmA Umdce1gTNXgiQjkhES2xzCktRMABPcdlAyYfef54bC7T3UK6PZ+lz0MDNnlXMiLbPmkN X4jfjDKPQ26/AIivOt1P0rRch8A7n54jtql4s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4D1520CD.404@cruzio.com> <4D1B532F.1000007@gmail.com> <4D1D0BA5.8030001@googlemail.com> <5BA362A9-1CA4-47BF-A76B-341846FB50BF@gmail.com> <864434907DE0E9429B16AD587941F73F078AF38B@EXVBE010-2.exch010.intermedia.net> From: todd reynolds Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:27:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoe on NPR To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5ae018794300498b747fa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:27:34 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5ae018794300498b747fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for this! an immediate buy for me! T. > --001636c5ae018794300498b747fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for this! =A0an immediate buy for me!=A0

 --001636c5ae018794300498b747fa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 17:00:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 495391834FA; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1E0AFB.9000400@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:55:23 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #717 for December 30, 2010. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:00:34 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/101230.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #717 December 30, 2010. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Alien Forest Observations" which is a self -released title. Modulator ESP: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#dec Congratulations to local listener James of Easton, Pennsylvania, USA, and internet listener Rob of Nieuwe Pekela, The Netherlands. They each won a set of DVDs by Klaus Schulze, featuring Lisa Gerrard. The DVDs are Rheingold - Live at the Loreley (a two DVD set) and Dziekuje Bardo. Thank you to Jon Freeman of Freeman Promotions LLC for supplying the DVDs to support Galactic Travels and WDIY, Lehigh Valley Community Public Radio. PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) The Eletric Golem This Must Be the The Electric Golem (Ricochet Place Dream) Picture Palace Music Drowning Someone's Midsummer (Groove) Sorrow Into the Ocean pt. I Ian Boddy Aquanaut Pearl (DiN) Ken Elkinson Unfolding Music for Commuting (August Son) Ombient Oceans Edge Oceans Edge (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Modulator ESP Alien Forest Alien Forest Observations Observations (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Nemesis. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Sky Archeology" on Freeride Records. Nemesis: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#jan Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 17:08:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19E241834FC; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <40FEE14C-AAD1-4148-9626-1A7642B03CCB@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--171979009 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: The EDP and the Looperlative and me Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 09:08:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:08:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--171979009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit completely understand you preferring the Looperlative, Rick. My point was to answer the question of why anyone might prefer the EDP which seems to come as a shock to some people on this list. Though they might be dismissed as minor functionality, I'll note that two items on my list can't be replicated on the Looperlative: * It doesn't have a big time readout that you can absorb at a glance. * I'm pretty sure it doesn't have a function to let you set the tempo in advance which can actually be rather nice if you are using the looper as the clock source. It could presumably gain the latter through a software update and maybe approximate the former depending on how much flexibility there is regarding its screen. But you nailed it when you said the question is whether you want to spend your time working with multiple tracks or working in a more linear fashion. Each can do a bit of the other, but each is also clearly optimized around a particular point of view. Mark Hi Mark , as far as I can tell you need to dig deeper in to the LP-1 to reveal its mysteries and I can't for the life of me understand why you are so resistant. . I say live with the LCD screen and learn not to be so dependent on it. I rarely look at the front panel of mine unless I have lost track of which track I'm on. I almost always use sync record and there is a work around that lets you set the tempo in advance . You simply record a blank loop without playing anything to set clock tempo for other effects. Works like a charm, I do it all the time. It takes a couple of moments of silence before starting to play but I don't sense it is distracting to an audience. When I moved from the Repeater to the LP-1 I gave up some functions that where not reproduced in the same way. I jettisoned time stretch and mellotron mode (though its possible to fake both things in the LP-1 now) and I took the LP-1 as its own animal and I proceeded to dig in as deeply as I could and I spent a lot of time doing it. i find it fascinating that some folks on this list are willing to take that kind of time to get inside the machine and some want everything nice and simple. One list member gave up on the LP-1 after spending a paltry two weeks? What the fuck can one hope to possibly understand about a machine this sophisticated in two weeks?????? perhaps enough to realize it isn't an EDP, but not enough time to understand its potential. This is a machine that takes a bit of work to understand just like the EDP did. Unlike the time I've spent trying to make modeling amps sound right, working to learn how to use the LP-1 has been totally gratifying and musically rewarding to me. You saw my performance at Y2K10 didn't you? Did I look like someone who was struggling with my gear? I would be happy to help you accelerate your growth on the machine if time is an issue, and I know that with a family and a high powered tech job, time is at a premium for you. But at this stage of the game I'm a bit exhausted by giving out free advice to people about the LP-1. Bill --Apple-Mail-4--171979009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  completely understand you preferring the = Looperlative, Rick. My point was to answer the question of why anyone = might prefer the EDP which seems to come as a shock to some people on = this list.

Though they might be dismissed as minor functionality, = I'll note that two items on my list can't be replicated on the = Looperlative:

* It doesn't have a big time readout that you can = absorb at a glance.

* I'm pretty sure it doesn't have a function = to let you set the tempo in advance which can actually be rather nice if = you are using the looper as the clock source.

It could presumably = gain the latter through a software update and maybe approximate the = former depending on how much flexibility there is regarding its = screen.

But you nailed it when you said the question is whether = you want to spend your time working with multiple tracks or working in a = more linear fashion. Each can do a bit of the other, but each is also = clearly optimized around a particular point of = view.

Mark



Hi Mark , as far as I can tell you need to dig deeper = in to the LP-1 to reveal its mysteries and I can't for the life of me = understand why you are so resistant. . I say  live with the LCD = screen and learn not to be so dependent on it. I rarely look at the = front panel of mine unless I have lost track of which track I'm on. I = almost always use sync record and there is a work around that lets you = set the tempo in advance . You simply record a blank loop without = playing anything to set clock tempo for other effects. Works like a = charm, I do it all the time. It takes a couple of moments of silence = before starting to play but I don't sense it is distracting to an = audience. When I moved from the Repeater to the LP-1 I gave up some = functions that where not reproduced in the same way. I jettisoned time = stretch and mellotron mode (though its possible to fake both things in = the LP-1 now) and I took the LP-1 as its own animal and I proceeded to = dig in as deeply as I could and I spent a lot of time doing it. i find = it fascinating that some folks on this list are willing to take that = kind of time to get inside the machine and some want everything nice and = simple. One list member gave up on the LP-1 after spending a paltry =  two weeks? What the fuck can one hope to possibly understand about = a machine this sophisticated in two weeks?????? perhaps enough to = realize it isn't an EDP, but not enough time to understand its = potential. This is a machine that takes a bit of work to understand just = like the EDP did.  Unlike the time I've spent trying to make = modeling amps sound right, working  to learn how to use the LP-1 = has been totally gratifying and musically rewarding to me. You saw my = performance at Y2K10 didn't you? Did I look like someone who was = struggling with my gear? I would be happy to help you accelerate your = growth on the machine if time is an issue, and I know that with a family = and a high powered tech job,  time is at a premium for you. But at = this stage of the game I'm a bit exhausted by giving out free advice to = people about the LP-1.  
Bill
= --Apple-Mail-4--171979009-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 17:55:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBEB51834FD; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2TPkqJgI0hzmjg82aj4FhYHfoo60AZuJUosjGBrnsX4=; b=xzKfihn+K8+XqxQ9prXbVSlB40t/lwkO6HOHvlqdNEu5IwtNAARYSKCep5jbD41g16 +w5JY1IjX/I3cVe/NHNcyBIF5tCEB49X0xckFkskjYbAPPmkKe+s+CfVm5UQN7DYoJbk fZW0S+2J44wPGwF/cSq3P63Dkp5S9TOeYGWB4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ECg+W2PjOsviNH6CWL919Uaro3JVqDWF5JmRwRK0ks3hlIGI8fbY8jbnJ4+RrGRPsS WX55MEbZIAdoIebLbXlNQ6LmkhgHdENHBRP2lCyOxdX0ttku4gwIfvSkG6mWVxcVPpmf IPpLOpGhD9GkKxgNG7tRHS37+LoJsq+MqRMNY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8D9E656E-4999-4828-8B34-5994171CB324@mac.com> References: <4D1D4DAF.5020803@cruzio.com> <8D9E656E-4999-4828-8B34-5994171CB324@mac.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:55:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT SYNTHETIC MODES From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Was wond'ring how soon Messiaen would get mentioned... http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > more modal madness for exploration: > - Messiaen's modes of limited transposition <<=A0Modes of limited > transposition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia=A0>> > - Slonimsky's book: Thesaurus of scales and melodic patterns <<=A0Amazon.= com: > Thesaurus Of Scales And Melodic Patterns (Text) (9780825614491): Nicolas > Slonimsky: Books=A0>> > - invent your own..... > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 18:00:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC8041834FB; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mark Hamburg Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3819--168899233 Subject: Re: The EDP and the Looperlative and me Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 09:59:56 -0800 In-Reply-To: <40FEE14C-AAD1-4148-9626-1A7642B03CCB@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <40FEE14C-AAD1-4148-9626-1A7642B03CCB@baymoon.com> Message-Id: <91FBD053-58FE-4BDD-9068-294501242FB5@grubmah.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:00:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3819--168899233 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Dec 31, 2010, at 9:08 AM, William Walker wrote: > Hi Mark , as far as I can tell you need to dig deeper in to the LP-1 = to reveal its mysteries and I can't for the life of me understand why = you are so resistant. . I say live with the LCD screen and learn not to = be so dependent on it. I rarely look at the front panel of mine unless I = have lost track of which track I'm on. I almost always use sync record = and there is a work around that lets you set the tempo in advance . You = simply record a blank loop without playing anything to set clock tempo = for other effects. Works like a charm, I do it all the time. It takes a = couple of moments of silence before starting to play but I don't sense = it is distracting to an audience. When I moved from the Repeater to the = LP-1 I gave up some functions that where not reproduced in the same way. = I jettisoned time stretch and mellotron mode (though its possible to = fake both things in the LP-1 now) and I took the LP-1 as its own animal = and I proceeded to dig in as deeply as I could and I spent a lot of time = doing it. i find it fascinating that some folks on this list are willing = to take that kind of time to get inside the machine and some want = everything nice and simple. One list member gave up on the LP-1 after = spending a paltry two weeks? What the fuck can one hope to possibly = understand about a machine this sophisticated in two weeks?????? perhaps = enough to realize it isn't an EDP, but not enough time to understand its = potential. This is a machine that takes a bit of work to understand just = like the EDP did. Unlike the time I've spent trying to make modeling = amps sound right, working to learn how to use the LP-1 has been totally = gratifying and musically rewarding to me. You saw my performance at = Y2K10 didn't you? Did I look like someone who was struggling with my = gear? I would be happy to help you accelerate your growth on the machine = if time is an issue, and I know that with a family and a high powered = tech job, time is at a premium for you. But at this stage of the game = I'm a bit exhausted by giving out free advice to people about the LP-1. =20= > Bill I'm not sure why it's so important to you and Rick that I come to love = the LP-1. I appreciate it and I appreciate the offers of help, but it's = rather odd how saying that one is more comfortable with the EDP elicits = some of the reactions that it does. My initial post on this thread was = sparked by a question from someone else a few weeks back on why one = might prefer the EDP and I tried to sort through what it is that I find = appealing about the EDP. One thing I'll note on learning curves is that almost all of the = Looperlative discussions start with: "It's really easy to program a MIDI = controller for it." It's worth noting that that's a much bigger initial = learning curve than exhibited by the EDP for which you can get a custom = footswitch for which the software has already been optimized. The EDP = programming depth is about customization, but on arrival it's set up and = ready to go whereas the Looperlative is relatively lost without a MIDI = controller or at least some programming of the user buttons. Now, I'm = certainly capable of doing that programming, but now I need to step back = and start thinking about designing a looper control set that's right for = me. So, I start down that path and I ask what, for example, would I like to = do? Hmm. I've had times where I have my feedback set to 0% and basically = just work with a long synchronized delay, but I'd like to be able to = transition to feedback =3D 100% to build a seamless loop. I can program = a button to go to feedback =3D 100%, but I can't program a button to go = to feedback =3D 0%. I could use a continuous pedal to control this with = a suitable MIDI controller, but that has it's own set of complexities = with respect to when the controller signal gets sent. Given a = sufficiently powerful MIDI controller, I could program buttons to send = those control values but now we're out of the "the Looperlative is = trivial to get working with a MIDI controller" realm. My first thought = had been to use Replace+ mode, but it's interaction with Rec/Dub proved = to be "interesting". Now, that said, this is difficult to make work with the stock EDP as = well given that substitute is a sustained function (cool for quantized = replace, not a good answer for a generic take the feedback to 0% option) = and various interface modes aren't friendly to stereo EDP use. But my = point is that the EDP basically comes optimized for a particular way of = working whereas the Looperlative comes expecting the user to program it = to fit their working style only to then present various at times = unexpected bumps in the road. Maybe this is also why I generally prefer = Apple equipment. It has all sorts of limitations, but it has also been = subjected to a lot of focus on making it good at working in a particular = way. But really with the Looperlative, it comes down to saying: Here's what I = want to do. Then figure out what the Looperlative would need to do to = best approximate that. Then figure out how sophisticated a MIDI = controller I need to get. Then get it programmed. Maybe at the end of = the day that all works out well, but it also feels a lot like what I = spend my time at work worrying about doing. Mark --Apple-Mail-3819--168899233 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi Mark , as far as I can = tell you need to dig deeper in to the LP-1 to reveal its mysteries and I = can't for the life of me understand why you are so resistant. . I say =  live with the LCD screen and learn not to be so dependent on it. I = rarely look at the front panel of mine unless I have lost track of which = track I'm on. I almost always use sync record and there is a work around = that lets you set the tempo in advance . You simply record a blank loop = without playing anything to set clock tempo for other effects. Works = like a charm, I do it all the time. It takes a couple of moments of = silence before starting to play but I don't sense it is distracting to = an audience. When I moved from the Repeater to the LP-1 I gave up some = functions that where not reproduced in the same way. I jettisoned time = stretch and mellotron mode (though its possible to fake both things in = the LP-1 now) and I took the LP-1 as its own animal and I proceeded to = dig in as deeply as I could and I spent a lot of time doing it. i find = it fascinating that some folks on this list are willing to take that = kind of time to get inside the machine and some want everything nice and = simple. One list member gave up on the LP-1 after spending a paltry =  two weeks? What the fuck can one hope to possibly understand about = a machine this sophisticated in two weeks?????? perhaps enough to = realize it isn't an EDP, but not enough time to understand its = potential. This is a machine that takes a bit of work to understand just = like the EDP did.  Unlike the time I've spent trying to make = modeling amps sound right, working  to learn how to use the LP-1 = has been totally gratifying and musically rewarding to me. You saw my = performance at Y2K10 didn't you? Did I look like someone who was = struggling with my gear? I would be happy to help you accelerate your = growth on the machine if time is an issue, and I know that with a family = and a high powered tech job,  time is at a premium for you. But at = this stage of the game I'm a bit exhausted by giving out free advice to = people about the LP-1.  
Bill

I'm = not sure why it's so important to you and Rick that I come to love the = LP-1. I appreciate it and I appreciate the offers of help, but it's = rather odd how saying that one is more comfortable with the EDP elicits = some of the reactions that it does. My initial post on this thread was = sparked by a question from someone else a few weeks back on why one = might prefer the EDP and I tried to sort through what it is that I find = appealing about the EDP.

One thing I'll note on = learning curves is that almost all of the Looperlative discussions start = with: "It's really easy to program a MIDI controller for it." It's worth = noting that that's a much bigger initial learning curve than exhibited = by the EDP for which you can get a custom footswitch for which the = software has already been optimized. The EDP programming depth is about = customization, but on arrival it's set up and ready to go whereas the = Looperlative is relatively lost without a MIDI controller or at least = some programming of the user buttons. Now, I'm certainly capable of = doing that programming, but now I need to step back and start thinking = about designing a looper control set that's right for = me.

So, I start down that path and I ask what, = for example, would I like to do? Hmm. I've had times where I have my = feedback set to 0% and basically just work with a long synchronized = delay, but I'd like to be able to transition to feedback =3D 100% to = build a seamless loop. I can program a button to go to feedback =3D = 100%, but I can't program a button to go to feedback =3D 0%. I could use = a continuous pedal to control this with a suitable MIDI controller, but = that has it's own set of complexities with respect to when the = controller signal gets sent. Given a sufficiently powerful MIDI = controller, I could program buttons to send those control values but now = we're out of the "the Looperlative is trivial to get working with a MIDI = controller" realm. My first thought had been to use Replace+ mode, but = it's interaction with Rec/Dub proved to be = "interesting".

Now, that said, this is = difficult to make work with the stock EDP as well given that substitute = is a sustained function (cool for quantized replace, not a good answer = for a generic take the feedback to 0% option) and various interface = modes aren't friendly to stereo EDP use. But my point is that the EDP = basically comes optimized for a particular way of working whereas the = Looperlative comes expecting the user to program it to fit their working = style only to then present various at times unexpected bumps in the = road. Maybe this is also why I generally prefer Apple equipment. It has = all sorts of limitations, but it has also been subjected to a lot of = focus on making it good at working in a particular = way.

But really with the Looperlative, it comes = down to saying: Here's what I want to do. Then figure out what the = Looperlative would need to do to best approximate that. Then figure out = how sophisticated a MIDI controller I need to get. Then get it = programmed. Maybe at the end of the day that all works out well, but it = also feels a lot like what I spend my time at work worrying about = doing.

Mark

= --Apple-Mail-3819--168899233-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 18:04:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CBC2183502; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Y6IerueahWfVRP8P1fYAsAFixnMqGzIuHo8UQ1pjfPw=; b=fV2qVDy+telTscVq0y/ly+6EkJ5VuMSq7q87q6TfEZInN1hLW1efWVxnVdQkB9v0IY 6hkurVdYDBhgVsb/lqInw8/731S3UtCuvd9hD0Sch3pgExhuhZD6oE/G/ouiEcpH7Ysm nibEvjcOJeUCuXuKAfJeanADZzTfB3wE0p8ek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=RyV2oi7iEsHC4weM6pkf9bDYg05VZhz2i8JFep/UkGm12cC3Ta7kVcQvqZPEGMKySS /yVMDI7LkPoHpH5GJbR51pEkdywO6ksj7fH0Xi67GoXEx8GIJaLyH8Pu178SdPl7TQ4C M+z0u7RX5iYZZm7+6VYe+HD/HVRfzOD5Rh7tk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:04:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: welcome 2011 From: Fabio_A To: "" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64355caa6d05f0498b8a28a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:04:38 +0000 (UTC) --0016e64355caa6d05f0498b8a28a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 how I say "bye bye" to 2010... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgin63jUBBw Happy new year to you all ! -f --0016e64355caa6d05f0498b8a28a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
how I say "bye bye" to 2010...

Happy new year to you all !

-f
--0016e64355caa6d05f0498b8a28a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 18:12:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B874E183504; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0a91fc98-40f8-4c65-976a-e81314a6bfce_" X-Originating-IP: [81.132.96.226] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: The EDP and the Looperlative and me Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:11:59 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <91FBD053-58FE-4BDD-9068-294501242FB5@grubmah.com> References: <40FEE14C-AAD1-4148-9626-1A7642B03CCB@baymoon.com>,<91FBD053-58FE-4BDD-9068-294501242FB5@grubmah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2010 18:11:59.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[37802230:01CBA916] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:12:01 +0000 (UTC) --_0a91fc98-40f8-4c65-976a-e81314a6bfce_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This looks like a strat vs sg debate to me - it's what we call horses for = courses over here. Choose your weapon gentlemen and PLAY! =20 HNY =20 Gareth =20 From: mark@grubmah.com Subject: Re: The EDP and the Looperlative and me Date: Fri=2C 31 Dec 2010 09:59:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com On Dec 31=2C 2010=2C at 9:08 AM=2C William Walker wrote: Hi Mark =2C as far as I can tell you need to dig deeper in to the LP-1 to r= eveal its mysteries and I can't for the life of me understand why you are s= o resistant. . I say live with the LCD screen and learn not to be so depen= dent on it. I rarely look at the front panel of mine unless I have lost tra= ck of which track I'm on. I almost always use sync record and there is a wo= rk around that lets you set the tempo in advance . You simply record a blan= k loop without playing anything to set clock tempo for other effects. Works= like a charm=2C I do it all the time. It takes a couple of moments of sile= nce before starting to play but I don't sense it is distracting to an audie= nce. When I moved from the Repeater to the LP-1 I gave up some functions th= at where not reproduced in the same way. I jettisoned time stretch and mell= otron mode (though its possible to fake both things in the LP-1 now) and I = took the LP-1 as its own animal and I proceeded to dig in as deeply as I co= uld and I spent a lot of time doing it. i find it fascinating that some fol= ks on this list are willing to take that kind of time to get inside the mac= hine and some want everything nice and simple. One list member gave up on t= he LP-1 after spending a paltry two weeks? What the fuck can one hope to p= ossibly understand about a machine this sophisticated in two weeks?????? pe= rhaps enough to realize it isn't an EDP=2C but not enough time to understan= d its potential. This is a machine that takes a bit of work to understand j= ust like the EDP did. Unlike the time I've spent trying to make modeling a= mps sound right=2C working to learn how to use the LP-1 has been totally g= ratifying and musically rewarding to me. You saw my performance at Y2K10 di= dn't you? Did I look like someone who was struggling with my gear? I would = be happy to help you accelerate your growth on the machine if time is an is= sue=2C and I know that with a family and a high powered tech job=2C time i= s at a premium for you. But at this stage of the game I'm a bit exhausted b= y giving out free advice to people about the LP-1. =20 Bill I'm not sure why it's so important to you and Rick that I come to love the = LP-1. I appreciate it and I appreciate the offers of help=2C but it's rathe= r odd how saying that one is more comfortable with the EDP elicits some of = the reactions that it does. My initial post on this thread was sparked by a= question from someone else a few weeks back on why one might prefer the ED= P and I tried to sort through what it is that I find appealing about the ED= P. One thing I'll note on learning curves is that almost all of the Looperlati= ve discussions start with: "It's really easy to program a MIDI controller f= or it." It's worth noting that that's a much bigger initial learning curve = than exhibited by the EDP for which you can get a custom footswitch for whi= ch the software has already been optimized. The EDP programming depth is ab= out customization=2C but on arrival it's set up and ready to go whereas the= Looperlative is relatively lost without a MIDI controller or at least some= programming of the user buttons. Now=2C I'm certainly capable of doing tha= t programming=2C but now I need to step back and start thinking about desig= ning a looper control set that's right for me. So=2C I start down that path and I ask what=2C for example=2C would I like = to do? Hmm. I've had times where I have my feedback set to 0% and basically= just work with a long synchronized delay=2C but I'd like to be able to tra= nsition to feedback =3D 100% to build a seamless loop. I can program a butt= on to go to feedback =3D 100%=2C but I can't program a button to go to feed= back =3D 0%. I could use a continuous pedal to control this with a suitable= MIDI controller=2C but that has it's own set of complexities with respect = to when the controller signal gets sent. Given a sufficiently powerful MIDI= controller=2C I could program buttons to send those control values but now= we're out of the "the Looperlative is trivial to get working with a MIDI c= ontroller" realm. My first thought had been to use Replace+ mode=2C but it'= s interaction with Rec/Dub proved to be "interesting". Now=2C that said=2C this is difficult to make work with the stock EDP as we= ll given that substitute is a sustained function (cool for quantized replac= e=2C not a good answer for a generic take the feedback to 0% option) and va= rious interface modes aren't friendly to stereo EDP use. But my point is th= at the EDP basically comes optimized for a particular way of working wherea= s the Looperlative comes expecting the user to program it to fit their work= ing style only to then present various at times unexpected bumps in the roa= d. Maybe this is also why I generally prefer Apple equipment. It has all so= rts of limitations=2C but it has also been subjected to a lot of focus on m= aking it good at working in a particular way. But really with the Looperlative=2C it comes down to saying: Here's what I = want to do. Then figure out what the Looperlative would need to do to best = approximate that. Then figure out how sophisticated a MIDI controller I nee= d to get. Then get it programmed. Maybe at the end of the day that all work= s out well=2C but it also feels a lot like what I spend my time at work wor= rying about doing. Mark = --_0a91fc98-40f8-4c65-976a-e81314a6bfce_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This looks like a =3Bstrat vs sg debate to me =3B - it's what we ca= ll horses for courses over here. Choose your weapon gentlemen and PLAY!
 =3B
HNY
 =3B
Gareth
 =3B
From: mark@grubmah.com
Subject: Re: The EDP and the Looperlative and me<= BR>Date: Fri=2C 31 Dec 2010 09:59:56 -0800
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com

On Dec 31=2C 2010=2C at 9:08 AM=2C William Walker wrote:

Hi Mark =2C as far a= s I can tell you need to dig deeper in to the LP-1 to reveal its mysteries = and I can't for the life of me understand why you are so resistant. . I say=  =3Blive with the LCD screen and learn not to be so dependent on it. I= rarely look at the front panel of mine unless I have lost track of which t= rack I'm on. I almost always use sync record and there is a work around tha= t lets you set the tempo in advance . You simply record a blank loop withou= t playing anything to set clock tempo for other effects. Works like a charm= =2C I do it all the time. It takes a couple of moments of silence before st= arting to play but I don't sense it is distracting to an audience. When I m= oved from the Repeater to the LP-1 I gave up some functions that where not = reproduced in the same way. I jettisoned time stretch and mellotron mode (t= hough its possible to fake both things in the LP-1 now) and I took the LP-1= as its own animal and I proceeded to dig in as deeply as I could and I spe= nt a lot of time doing it. i find it fascinating that some folks on this li= st are willing to take that kind of time to get inside the machine and some= want everything nice and simple. One list member gave up on the LP-1 after= spending a paltry  =3Btwo weeks? What the fuck can one hope to possibl= y understand about a machine this sophisticated in two weeks?????? perhaps = enough to realize it isn't an EDP=2C but not enough time to understand its = potential. This is a machine that takes a bit of work to understand just li= ke the EDP did.  =3BUnlike the time I've spent trying to make modeling = amps sound right=2C working  =3Bto learn how to use the LP-1 has been t= otally gratifying and musically rewarding to me. You saw my performance at = Y2K10 didn't you? Did I look like someone who was struggling with my gear? = I would be happy to help you accelerate your growth on the machine if time = is an issue=2C and I know that with a family and a high powered tech job=2C=  =3Btime is at a premium for you. But at this stage of the game I'm a = bit exhausted by giving out free advice to people about the LP-1.  =3B<= /FONT>
Bill

I'm not sure why it's so important to you and Rick that I come to love= the LP-1. I appreciate it and I appreciate the offers of help=2C but it's = rather odd how saying that one is more comfortable with the EDP elicits som= e of the reactions that it does. My initial post on this thread was sparked= by a question from someone else a few weeks back on why one might prefer t= he EDP and I tried to sort through what it is that I find appealing about t= he EDP.

One thing I'll note on learning curves is that almost all of the Loope= rlative discussions start with: "It's really easy to program a MIDI control= ler for it." It's worth noting that that's a much bigger initial learning c= urve than exhibited by the EDP for which you can get a custom footswitch fo= r which the software has already been optimized. The EDP programming depth = is about customization=2C but on arrival it's set up and ready to go wherea= s the Looperlative is relatively lost without a MIDI controller or at least= some programming of the user buttons. Now=2C I'm certainly capable of doin= g that programming=2C but now I need to step back and start thinking about = designing a looper control set that's right for me.

So=2C I start down that path and I ask what=2C for example=2C would I = like to do? Hmm. I've had times where I have my feedback set to 0% and basi= cally just work with a long synchronized delay=2C but I'd like to be able t= o transition to feedback =3D 100% to build a seamless loop. I can program a= button to go to feedback =3D 100%=2C but I can't program a button to go to= feedback =3D 0%. I could use a continuous pedal to control this with a sui= table MIDI controller=2C but that has it's own set of complexities with res= pect to when the controller signal gets sent. Given a sufficiently powerful= MIDI controller=2C I could program buttons to send those control values bu= t now we're out of the "the Looperlative is trivial to get working with a M= IDI controller" realm. My first thought had been to use Replace+ mode=2C bu= t it's interaction with Rec/Dub proved to be "interesting".

Now=2C that said=2C this is difficult to make work with the stock EDP = as well given that substitute is a sustained function (cool for quantized r= eplace=2C not a good answer for a generic take the feedback to 0% option) a= nd various interface modes aren't friendly to stereo EDP use. But my point = is that the EDP basically comes optimized for a particular way of working w= hereas the Looperlative comes expecting the user to program it to fit their= working style only to then present various at times unexpected bumps in th= e road. Maybe this is also why I generally prefer Apple equipment. It has a= ll sorts of limitations=2C but it has also been subjected to a lot of focus= on making it good at working in a particular way.

But really with the Looperlative=2C it comes down to saying: Here's wh= at I want to do. Then figure out what the Looperlative would need to do to = best approximate that. Then figure out how sophisticated a MIDI controller = I need to get. Then get it programmed. Maybe at the end of the day that all= works out well=2C but it also feels a lot like what I spend my time at wor= k worrying about doing.

Mark

= --_0a91fc98-40f8-4c65-976a-e81314a6bfce_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 18:23:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C469183506; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c83d8520-8746-4b90-b62b-2fd8eb097f75_" X-Originating-IP: [81.132.96.226] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: welcome 2011 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:23:18 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2010 18:23:18.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC5B7980:01CBA917] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:23:20 +0000 (UTC) --_c83d8520-8746-4b90-b62b-2fd8eb097f75_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bravo! =20 Felice ano nuovo =20 pace =20 =20 Gareth Date: Fri=2C 31 Dec 2010 19:04:37 +0100 Subject: welcome 2011 From: eterogenus@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com how I say "bye bye" to 2010... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTgin63jUBBw Happy new year to you all ! -f = --_c83d8520-8746-4b90-b62b-2fd8eb097f75_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bravo!
 =3B
Felice ano nuovo
 =3B
pace
 =3B
 =3B
Gareth
Date: Fri=2C 31 Dec 2010 19:04:37 +0100
Subject: welcome 2011
From: e= terogenus@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

how I say "bye bye" to 2010...

Happy new year to you all !

-f
= --_c83d8520-8746-4b90-b62b-2fd8eb097f75_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 18:27:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 335CD183508; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Happy New Year to Come! Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:27:29 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01CBA918.619D2930" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:27:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CBA918.619D2930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BFWhile I suspect tonight=E2=80=99s Audio Tarot show is = pre-empted by some mode of merriment =E2=80=93 We=E2=80=99re going down = to the old 14th Century church near midnight =E2=80=93 I just finished = the Seventh Day of Christmas show on ustream.tv. The happiest to all in the meantime! http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/11743955 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CBA918.619D2930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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2010/12/31 Gareth Whittock &= lt;buddhamachine@live.co.uk= >
Bravo!
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Felice ano nuovo
=A0
pace
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=A0
Gareth
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:04:37 +0100
Subject: welcome 2011
From: eterogenus@gmail.com=
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


how I say "bye bye" to 2010...

Happy new year to you all !

-f



--
Petri Lahtinen
http://www.petrilahti= nen.com
http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/
http://so= undcloud.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen
http://petrilahtinen.ba= ndcamp.com/
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"Only become pr= ofessional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
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"Some people never go c= razy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-
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--20cf3054a20302a3970498b9580d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 19:53:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78B8E1834FB; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1293825190; bh=cmS6VDZFkN28NjXi/afP2nuAzS+DYyDv8DGPPbyHFys=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mwlUboVteA8NOZOt68TIoyYAWGokCyMAFwmtekZxi1WK8I/Pen4JhoyRbbQf0KiamOF2UGxhtIiB/RZ9k+VmYHHp9fplgms4om0Lq3TJo9VZM2bFDe8qicvEVHBzT1xy7sX0xtm0J7VrFM4XeWN8Z+sLQi910yQWopLvhAVkdTM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BM//ZxwjHycjDbMod+rw9ENeUvl6NRWi8I2VCc/3chpQeHYyOMSVVzA5hr/JkEAtcDSyfdrNzRe5gBIam88nPBAS1NJ8GkTC6T30hiPma0hU5CEgTgZUM9EJdMdiSbwgOYaXOsPgYPFkyILBQ2PTUIMRsH5EevY2S83B7dFK9jM=; Message-ID: <870758.38733.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: vP1aixUVM1lancMhLB6w0dICWchLuPtzBmdqDNtPylDmbiS HTWqijEJ8WDUU8q3Iac_34GZ4n.s3yuRXmS575Aeu0iwEcsPyP0JhQnrWI5f GxU7zuSRtpIBgbfrTMCfPPS.uvpbCSs0X8ZSPVLQhnRk8ynzpWdIgWnmb9EP JTwuR9xh5Z997QYP3PsRREYJNBhlpX.f3_jSjXk8csdsmTKovrbz4J6cHQHi Ly4Rtm6ef4jseqa2sDsY0mQmo2DDxj6wwyIublauHn1zoyIuB1Z3Yw4kAeo9 paWsHzU150jhbZKGq.IaG X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:53:10 -0800 (PST) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: welcome 2011 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-437621865-1293825190=:38733" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:53:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-437621865-1293825190=:38733 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii happy new year form France Antony and Anton Hequet ________________________________ From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 7:37:21 PM Subject: Re: welcome 2011 Happy New Year 2011 to everyone on the Looper's Delight list! 2010/12/31 Gareth Whittock Bravo! > >Felice ano nuovo > >pace > > >Gareth >________________________________ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:04:37 +0100 >Subject: welcome 2011 >From: eterogenus@gmail.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >how I say "bye bye" to 2010... >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgin63jUBBw > > >Happy new year to you all ! > > >-f -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --0-437621865-1293825190=:38733 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
happy new year form France

Antony and Anton Hequet

From: Petri Lahtinen <aikuinen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 7:37:21 PM
Subject: Re: welcome 2011

Happy New Year 2011 to everyone on the Looper's Delight list!


2010/12/31 Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
Bravo!
 
Felice ano nuovo
 
pace
 
 
Gareth
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:04:37 +0100
Subject: welcome 2011
From: eterogenus@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


how I say "bye bye" to 2010...

Happy new year to you all !

-f



--
Petri Lahtinen
http://www.petrilahtinen.com
http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/
http://soundcloud.com/petrilahtinen
http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen
http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/
---------------------------------------------------
"Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp-
---------------------------------------------------
"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski-


--0-437621865-1293825190=:38733-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 20:05:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 302DF183508; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBA925.FF941A9F" Subject: RE: The EDP and the Looperlative and me Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:05:04 -0800 Message-ID: <864434907DE0E9429B16AD587941F73F078AF411@EXVBE010-2.exch010.intermedia.net> In-Reply-To: <91FBD053-58FE-4BDD-9068-294501242FB5@grubmah.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The EDP and the Looperlative and me Thread-Index: AcupFI2D+oU3n64GTQaArXw7z2FRnQAEJcsQ References: <40FEE14C-AAD1-4148-9626-1A7642B03CCB@baymoon.com> <91FBD053-58FE-4BDD-9068-294501242FB5@grubmah.com> From: "Andy Owens" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2010 20:04:57.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFBF43C0:01CBA925] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:04:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBA925.FF941A9F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Mark, I was probably the one that started this mess, sorry!!! Anyway, I have had LP1 a couple of years now, and I use this Novation controller =20 http://www.novationmusic.com/us/products/midi_controllers/sl_mkii =20 and it is killer, killer, killer, easy to program and you can control anything on the LP1 with it, I also use a midibuddy footswitch, and the combination is great. The screen is a bit small I agree, but like Bill said, all you really need it for is to remember what track is selected. That's one thing that would be cool to change on the LP1 is to have an led showing what track is up. =20 People must like the EDP though, cause you sure never see them on ebay. =20 I also use the Novation to control two TC M300's in my rack, just a button push and the template controls everything on the FX units, pretty cool, and keyboard, I just use for keys, but lots of options there too, oh and it fits in a rack space. =20 Andy =20 =20 =20 From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark@grubmah.com]=20 Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 1:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The EDP and the Looperlative and me =20 On Dec 31, 2010, at 9:08 AM, William Walker wrote: Hi Mark , as far as I can tell you need to dig deeper in to the LP-1 to reveal its mysteries and I can't for the life of me understand why you are so resistant. . I say live with the LCD screen and learn not to be so dependent on it. I rarely look at the front panel of mine unless I have lost track of which track I'm on. I almost always use sync record and there is a work around that lets you set the tempo in advance . You simply record a blank loop without playing anything to set clock tempo for other effects. Works like a charm, I do it all the time. It takes a couple of moments of silence before starting to play but I don't sense it is distracting to an audience. When I moved from the Repeater to the LP-1 I gave up some functions that where not reproduced in the same way. I jettisoned time stretch and mellotron mode (though its possible to fake both things in the LP-1 now) and I took the LP-1 as its own animal and I proceeded to dig in as deeply as I could and I spent a lot of time doing it. i find it fascinating that some folks on this list are willing to take that kind of time to get inside the machine and some want everything nice and simple. One list member gave up on the LP-1 after spending a paltry two weeks? What the fuck can one hope to possibly understand about a machine this sophisticated in two weeks?????? perhaps enough to realize it isn't an EDP, but not enough time to understand its potential. This is a machine that takes a bit of work to understand just like the EDP did. Unlike the time I've spent trying to make modeling amps sound right, working to learn how to use the LP-1 has been totally gratifying and musically rewarding to me. You saw my performance at Y2K10 didn't you? Did I look like someone who was struggling with my gear? I would be happy to help you accelerate your growth on the machine if time is an issue, and I know that with a family and a high powered tech job, time is at a premium for you. But at this stage of the game I'm a bit exhausted by giving out free advice to people about the LP-1. Bill =20 I'm not sure why it's so important to you and Rick that I come to love the LP-1. I appreciate it and I appreciate the offers of help, but it's rather odd how saying that one is more comfortable with the EDP elicits some of the reactions that it does. My initial post on this thread was sparked by a question from someone else a few weeks back on why one might prefer the EDP and I tried to sort through what it is that I find appealing about the EDP. =20 One thing I'll note on learning curves is that almost all of the Looperlative discussions start with: "It's really easy to program a MIDI controller for it." It's worth noting that that's a much bigger initial learning curve than exhibited by the EDP for which you can get a custom footswitch for which the software has already been optimized. The EDP programming depth is about customization, but on arrival it's set up and ready to go whereas the Looperlative is relatively lost without a MIDI controller or at least some programming of the user buttons. Now, I'm certainly capable of doing that programming, but now I need to step back and start thinking about designing a looper control set that's right for me. =20 So, I start down that path and I ask what, for example, would I like to do? Hmm. I've had times where I have my feedback set to 0% and basically just work with a long synchronized delay, but I'd like to be able to transition to feedback =3D 100% to build a seamless loop. I can program = a button to go to feedback =3D 100%, but I can't program a button to go to feedback =3D 0%. I could use a continuous pedal to control this with a suitable MIDI controller, but that has it's own set of complexities with respect to when the controller signal gets sent. Given a sufficiently powerful MIDI controller, I could program buttons to send those control values but now we're out of the "the Looperlative is trivial to get working with a MIDI controller" realm. My first thought had been to use Replace+ mode, but it's interaction with Rec/Dub proved to be "interesting". =20 Now, that said, this is difficult to make work with the stock EDP as well given that substitute is a sustained function (cool for quantized replace, not a good answer for a generic take the feedback to 0% option) and various interface modes aren't friendly to stereo EDP use. But my point is that the EDP basically comes optimized for a particular way of working whereas the Looperlative comes expecting the user to program it to fit their working style only to then present various at times unexpected bumps in the road. Maybe this is also why I generally prefer Apple equipment. It has all sorts of limitations, but it has also been subjected to a lot of focus on making it good at working in a particular way. =20 But really with the Looperlative, it comes down to saying: Here's what I want to do. Then figure out what the Looperlative would need to do to best approximate that. Then figure out how sophisticated a MIDI controller I need to get. Then get it programmed. Maybe at the end of the day that all works out well, but it also feels a lot like what I spend my time at work worrying about doing. =20 Mark =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBA925.FF941A9F Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey Mark, I was probably the one that started this mess, sorry!!! Anyway, I have had LP1 a couple of years now, and I use this = Novation controller

 

http://www.novationmusic.com/us/products/midi_controllers/sl_mkii

 

and it is killer, killer, killer, easy to program and you = can control anything on the LP1 with it, I also use a midibuddy footswitch, = and the combination is great. The screen is a bit small I agree, but like Bill = said, all you really need it for is to remember what track is selected. = That’s one thing that would be cool to change on the LP1 is to have an led = showing what track is up.

 

People must like the EDP though, cause you sure never see = them on ebay.

 

I also use the Novation to control two TC M300’s in = my rack, just a button push and the template controls everything on the FX = units, pretty cool, and keyboard, I just use for keys, but lots of options = there too, oh and it fits in a rack space.

 

Andy

 

 

 

From:= Mark = Hamburg [mailto:mark@grubmah.com]
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 1:00 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: The EDP and the Looperlative and = me

 

On Dec 31, 2010, at 9:08 AM, William Walker = wrote:



Hi Mark , as far as I can tell you need to dig deeper in = to the LP-1 to reveal its mysteries and I can't for the life of me understand = why you are so resistant. . I say  live with the LCD screen and learn not = to be so dependent on it. I rarely look at the front panel of mine unless I have = lost track of which track I'm on. I almost always use sync record and there = is a work around that lets you set the tempo in advance . You simply record a = blank loop without playing anything to set clock tempo for other effects. = Works like a charm, I do it all the time. It takes a couple of moments of silence = before starting to play but I don't sense it is distracting to an audience. = When I moved from the Repeater to the LP-1 I gave up some functions that where = not reproduced in the same way. I jettisoned time stretch and mellotron mode (though its possible to fake both things in the LP-1 now) and I took the = LP-1 as its own animal and I proceeded to dig in as deeply as I could and I = spent a lot of time doing it. i find it fascinating that some folks on this list = are willing to take that kind of time to get inside the machine and some = want everything nice and simple. One list member gave up on the LP-1 after = spending a paltry  two weeks? What the fuck can one hope to possibly = understand about a machine this sophisticated in two weeks?????? perhaps enough to = realize it isn't an EDP, but not enough time to understand its potential. This = is a machine that takes a bit of work to understand just like the EDP did.  Unlike the time I've spent trying to make modeling amps sound = right, working  to learn how to use the LP-1 has been totally gratifying = and musically rewarding to me. You saw my performance at Y2K10 didn't you? = Did I look like someone who was struggling with my gear? I would be happy to = help you accelerate your growth on the machine if time is an issue, and I know = that with a family and a high powered tech job,  time is at a premium for = you. But at this stage of the game I'm a bit exhausted by giving out free advice = to people about the LP-1.  

Bill

 

I'm not sure why it's so important to you and Rick = that I come to love the LP-1. I appreciate it and I appreciate the offers of = help, but it's rather odd how saying that one is more comfortable with the EDP = elicits some of the reactions that it does. My initial post on this thread was = sparked by a question from someone else a few weeks back on why one might prefer = the EDP and I tried to sort through what it is that I find appealing about = the EDP.

 

One thing I'll note on learning curves is that = almost all of the Looperlative discussions start with: "It's really easy to = program a MIDI controller for it." It's worth noting that that's a much = bigger initial learning curve than exhibited by the EDP for which you can get a = custom footswitch for which the software has already been optimized. The EDP programming depth is about customization, but on arrival it's set up and = ready to go whereas the Looperlative is relatively lost without a MIDI = controller or at least some programming of the user buttons. Now, I'm certainly = capable of doing that programming, but now I need to step back and start thinking = about designing a looper control set that's right for me.

 

So, I start down that path and I ask what, for = example, would I like to do? Hmm. I've had times where I have my feedback set to = 0% and basically just work with a long synchronized delay, but I'd like to be = able to transition to feedback =3D 100% to build a seamless loop. I can program = a button to go to feedback =3D 100%, but I can't program a button to go to = feedback =3D 0%. I could use a continuous pedal to control this with a suitable MIDI = controller, but that has it's own set of complexities with respect to when the = controller signal gets sent. Given a sufficiently powerful MIDI controller, I could program buttons to send those control values but now we're out of the = "the Looperlative is trivial to get working with a MIDI controller" = realm. My first thought had been to use Replace+ mode, but it's interaction with = Rec/Dub proved to be "interesting".

 

Now, that said, this is difficult to make work with = the stock EDP as well given that substitute is a sustained function (cool = for quantized replace, not a good answer for a generic take the feedback to = 0% option) and various interface modes aren't friendly to stereo EDP use. = But my point is that the EDP basically comes optimized for a particular way of = working whereas the Looperlative comes expecting the user to program it to fit = their working style only to then present various at times unexpected bumps in = the road. Maybe this is also why I generally prefer Apple equipment. It has = all sorts of limitations, but it has also been subjected to a lot of focus = on making it good at working in a particular way.

 

But really with the Looperlative, it comes down to = saying: Here's what I want to do. Then figure out what the Looperlative would = need to do to best approximate that. Then figure out how sophisticated a MIDI controller I need to get. Then get it programmed. Maybe at the end of = the day that all works out well, but it also feels a lot like what I spend my = time at work worrying about doing.

 

Mark

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CBA925.FF941A9F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 20:17:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEABC183511; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1E3A38.4010703@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:16:56 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Hamburg CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: The EDP and the Looperlative and me References: <4A0A15EF-AA3E-448A-9CE6-E367713CFCA0@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: <4A0A15EF-AA3E-448A-9CE6-E367713CFCA0@grubmah.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:17:05 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I completely understand you preferring the Looperlative, Rick. My point was to answer the question of why anyone might prefer the EDP which seems to come as a shock to some people on this list. I understand and respect your intentions. > Though they might be dismissed as minor functionality, I'll note that two items on my list can't be replicated on the Looperlative: > > * It doesn't have a big time readout that you can absorb at a glance. This is true, it's a small screen, but frankly, I don't look at my looper when I use it. I just use it's functions, musically. However, there used to be a device called a Midi Nome which had a visual readout of BPM and generated midi clock.......I suppose that might make the Looperlative work for you if you wanted it to. But really, not all things are for all people. Ableton's LIVE, as an example , is an amazing piece of software. I just don't like it for several reasons (one of which is small screen functionality) and that's all there is to it. My not liking it has nothing to do with whether it is a viable solution for thousands of loopers. I just wanted to clarify what the Looperlative can do after reading your posts about it. I just had the feeling that you haven't delved into it deeply enough to figure out how to make it work for you, but that's an assumption and we both know how accurate they are sometimes. Also, there's nothing that says you should use the Looperlative. The EDP is a wonderful piece of gear! I've loved using mine in my life. I do respect diversity. I just want the record to be accurate, hence my replies to your post. > * I'm pretty sure it doesn't have a function to let you set the tempo in advance which can actually be rather nice if you are using the looper as the clock source. Honestly, I don't use midi in my work at all, but I know the Looperlative has Midi Sync Record function, so that means that you could send BPM (if not bar length) through any sequencer, drum machine or other midi syncable looper > It could presumably gain the latter through a software update and maybe approximate the former depending on how much flexibility there is regarding its screen. > > But you nailed it when you said the question is whether you want to spend your time working with multiple tracks or working in a more linear fashion. Each can do a bit of the other, but each is also clearly optimized around a particular point of view. Yeah, and that's why Bob Amstadt decided to make the Looperlative. He got excited watching live looping in action, went out and looked at what was on the market and wished that there were more features available that weren't at the time. I'm pretty happy that he did. Happy New Year and a big hug to you, my friend, Rick Walker > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 20:31:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D798318350E; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1E3D8E.7080807@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:31:10 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Hamburg CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: The EDP and the Looperlative and me References: <91FBD053-58FE-4BDD-9068-294501242FB5@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: <91FBD053-58FE-4BDD-9068-294501242FB5@grubmah.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:31:17 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I'm not sure why it's so important to you and Rick that I come to love > the LP-1. I can't speak for Bill, Mark, but it is NOT important for me to come to love the LP-1. It does concern me, however, when you compare it critically in print and the fact of the matter is that you haven't sat down and done your homework in your criticism. I've just been trying to make the record straight in the interest of fair critique and analysis. I responded to you to try and set the record straight from my understanding having worked with both truly great and inspirational machines. After reading everything that you've posted, it's obvious that you are more comfortable (for whatever reasons) with the EDP. That's fine by me. I'm a little sad that you've decided not to delve deeper into the LP-1 only because I love it. It's obvious that you know the EDP on a far deeper level. I can honestly say that I have loved the EDP. Furthermore, I can't wait for the amazing instrument that is going to come out of Matthias Grob's beautiful brain in the next year or so that will transcend it while retaining all of it's functionality. So, please just know that I'm not invested in you loving the LP-1...........that's an assumption you've made from my posts but not a correct one. With respect, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 20:35:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29192183518; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 7773.85475.bm@omp1031.mail.ird.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.no; s=s1024; t=1293827715; bh=ECr76QRxtIs++22iU/TbSYWMEmsr98LjoDhO9vnyx/w=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3SNKNbY8XSCZcF4Sq4R8rqbHMEhLHLfMz8Cz8htiGhnKsoTy4JZWx748y1gqHcKUEtefSIsiGu9++3zEnGXKIcE8mZN4lgO1xXnQHunKSFRjWUNu/IYxj8khz7GiCFXbBohzQFe0MphSZXE/rVq7n5iFQMYw8SrsLSOXRkUIXY0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jxI2p4pWcJp0Aik85h7JRLwxtq4qErQAFyyFJYLPG5DZoKUoP6bEKa4Q/y5f4tS5bP3XEV9p/6BLVdrc6lJ53d6Xreyf/A7CiA6wSSWRWoq5xkrtMp6GJg0TJ+qqD27ShFf6laEzdV2/MLbp4T9RghMXEOmdHNHrTs5tAO59peE=; Message-ID: <920381.14286.qm@web29710.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: cGxHBpkVM1kw5BOE9C3XSVkGdjcC6GBim5bMeC5K0zkpM6q 0UEh7ZV8LkmQ395OrnqFWiK4ioqE.x0MM4aFlBORU8mdoLePSDfOx7xXuGGI vMx1Et7LXKoj1PpKfyQ0pC1.x6rmqjI61qgzZTKAstAihclSIt0kLsNlt4.J LlIN_0XknKFaWKi3aeWlU8ttUT8pPffS5nmczHyf7uSwjSYsBfggWRY6pSJ. Il7luptrnzGpn97fw.kQO6yLavdB6vvuEqq3gXNnVg_pWZRG3vY.dm1aFxM_ G.RmhDFs.4WLdTQhUD005cyPwCKUdDkrCntt.6Qx12m0.Tqgypi7LYH2uFg2 t7AmMFtiV2sUa8hl8HbJEUqMU2A-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:35:15 +0000 (GMT) From: rune fagereng Subject: OT- new tune/sounds To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-536818930-1293827715=:14286" Resent-Message-ID: <1GPkz.A.fU.F6jHNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:35:17 +0000 (UTC) --0-536818930-1293827715=:14286 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy new year! OT: Here is a new tune (sounds). Its delay and reverb, no regular looping. = Please listen if you got the time :) http://www.myspace.com/runefagereng/music/songs/Langsom-78537603 best regards Rune F.=A0=0A=0A --0-536818930-1293827715=:14286 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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OT: Here is a new tune (sounds). Its delay and reverb, no regular loop= ing. Please listen if you got the time :)

http://w= ww.myspace.com/runefagereng/music/songs/Langsom-78537603

best regards Rune F. 

--0-536818930-1293827715=:14286-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 20:39:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A883518351B; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4D1E3F6D.3050905@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:39:09 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gareth Whittock CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: The EDP and the Looperlative and me References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:39:16 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > This looks like a strat vs sg debate to me - it's what we call horses > for courses over here. Choose your weapon gentlemen and PLAY! > > I beg to differ, with respect, Gareth. I truly don't care what looper Mark uses. It's NOT a competition or a debate. It's trying to be accurate in writing about a powerful instrument. Looperlative doesn't have the public profile that Gibson had with the EDP originally (though Gibson horribly let the EDP down imho) so when people research it on the web, they come upon discussions like the one that Mark initiated. I disagreed with his conclusions, so I have only been trying to set the record straight about what the LP-1 can do....... .......not trying to diss the EDP or win some competition. Come on, I've hosted hundreds of loopers from all over the world and I, of all people, truly believe that Music is the most important thing.............not your equipment. The public at large is never going to judge someone's musical output by whether they use software/hardware, strat/sg (lol, why doesn't Danelectro make the cut in that classis debate), edp, looperlative, roland, digitech, boomerang, etc., etc. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 22:15:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89CC8183520; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JgNo6plPff+exBhMfH68g+0EiNyQ5TS2V6M+Z4vHRE4=; b=uba1xXnShXpy2UDHIWU4EIiFV9F6Cq0HmsG5PM3Hc2PL4eOUe+sqHycn0VF3UsaUzt R0/PndZTTObpeWd7OcDyoe5AdtCJdlmXNT5tqbkAvRtiRLoizYXBzrI9v8bSoYmxkcGl XrEoWNwO+cCoB4qMWWzf3lJtKBBjZbdziOMAo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AksH68vvfCsWoNT+c4czeTM74YohtSlo/RXCyj+vrRbgRdN6hYbRPKJVBgKYh1chs0 YjzaqVVZpv+3o9C8x2v7TQ2DXjM9G8voYB5cNfrQCxqQwFVCR4mWuIrL413DD9A3IyVJ k4szrJ1Qnyf3f6waH/E7IdHoO1O/CSUB4dNNI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <870758.38733.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <870758.38733.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:15:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: welcome 2011 From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <4DjMQB.A.taC.bYlHNB@hemlock> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Happy new year to all members of Loopers Delight! I hope it will be a good, healthy and musical year for all of us. Cheers :) -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 23:29:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BACE183524; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 965437.93012.bm@omp1001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=RczhNyVtpkV+r72RfufGzj1aoEnuK4EBnYlnLTs1MXPGab9KsYwBCJuEoo7IxhRrhDN3Q+VMAKBqsHEe6qSTdNWdJbcxnhAolEcvoJmZMQFr679g01yNqtR3k1edYaS3n2Z1tNFMfLLdJZ70KYxR4d6if8+T8VRXI4xiCuXh2IU= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1293838179; bh=X2rSfvDrzgtGsLzyHYkVjCDkjpQJxVl2kEY7Mht0v4o=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=3QtASNTjsmFrFgc8mAAFjIbzklxQYQp/qsQGfRlRTeRSQJ/7TAL/pmF2CQSn5XJEbViUDSyG+N695v4ODUhucsGnfvH3y5aY24UU6Jj+XqVoV2sR2q4m8Omm4MWsMwCPJb7xLk/3oFPXtCanNgrKjTGFNWkQGW82PbFJ6HwOYK0= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: bsF0aJIVM1lHFbEnktOR0d5trIbqv4XtoNWxn.vBcDnB8WS cc_fj.LhpwHKRwFVQzHFZm3JKN3S_ix14HbSgHUiLwFAEF11HSWL1yBQMzkd R6mhaAdNKnwbVkfBOF.IHEc5hyAutwIJ6RQY7F28JyRyD1xVYIN2xREho8ki MB2EWt3G9c.WtyaZ4HaGvEJtI.MgKy9cyQdsDJRHrWiq7qoL8Ww407y8oKbZ rKvbZNVzzc.Mh8aOTeyQx8ehrbE65i510qBcPw5JUI4BjHIgrV9I1znyG72K J1so7CMZCgaZjL4Y3tWY- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <870758.38733.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--149121576 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: welcome 2011 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:29:34 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:29:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--149121576 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Continued inspiration in 2011 everyone :) Happy new year!!!! Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 31 Dec 2010, at 22:15, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote: > Happy new year to all members of Loopers Delight! I hope it will be a > good, healthy and musical year for all of us. Cheers :) > -- > Sjaak Overgaauw > http://premonitionfactory.com/ > http://livelooping.be/ > --Apple-Mail-1--149121576 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Continued inspiration in 2011 everyone :)

Happy new = year!!!!

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 31 Dec 2010, = at 22:15, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:

Happy new year to all members of Loopers Delight! I = hope it will be a
good, healthy and musical year = for all of us. Cheers :)
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Sjaak Overgaauw

= --Apple-Mail-1--149121576-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 31 23:46:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by hemlock.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D855A183528; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4E0103D8-A9EC-4BE3-9A6D-30B96B07CF5C@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--148103187 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: RE: The EDP and the Looperlative and me Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:46:32 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:46:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--148103187 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This looks like a strat vs sg debate to me - it's what we call horses for courses over here. Choose your weapon gentlemen and PLAY! HNY Gareth Actually, what I'm trying to convey is not that kind of a debate. Its more from my point of view of: "hey, you have this cool piece of gear in your possession that has a deep feature set, why not explore its capability to the fullest? perhaps discover some new methods of loop creation, and also maybe some cool work arounds that fulfill some of the the things that the EDP provided, and if you still aren't satisfied, sell it , or better yet, give it to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:-):-) This is the same advice I'd give to anyone on any piece of gear (well maybe not the very last part). Bill PS besides Strats totally kick ass over SG's :-) --Apple-Mail-2--148103187 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This looks like = a strat vs sg debate to me  - it's what we call horses for = courses over here. Choose your weapon gentlemen and = PLAY!
 
HNY
 
Gareth

 Actually,= what I'm trying to convey is not that kind of a debate. Its more from = my point of view of: 
"hey, you = have this cool piece of gear in your possession that has a deep feature = set, why not explore its capability to the fullest? perhaps discover = some new methods of loop creation, and also maybe some cool work arounds = that  fulfill some of the the things that the EDP provided, and if = you still aren't satisfied, sell it , or better yet,  give it to = me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:-):-) This is the same advice I'd give to anyone on = any piece of gear (well maybe not the very last part). =  
Bill

PS besides = Strats totally kick ass over SG's :-)
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