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So this show *sucked.*  :-(

There were two crappy and really annoying noise bands first.

Finally, Wolf Eyes and Pinhas came on stage - after setting up and then jus=
t
leaving us to age for 30 minutes - and did about a 30 minute, somewhat nois=
y
set where you heard very little of Pinhas and then left... no encore, no
nothing.

The crowd was subdued.

Let me tell you that Mr. Pinhas will not get to play with my SoftStep.


On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Tom Swirly <tom@swirly.com> wrote:

> Oh, my, God, Richard Pinhas!
>
> So glad I checked my mailbox tonight...
> 9/30: Wolf Eyes + Richard Pinhas / 99 / Yellow Tears<http://www.google.co=
m/calendar/event?eid=3Db3M2dHJqYjQ5MTBqMjhpbHVxNmpwY3MwY2sgNnJqMXI1ZGtpdjhv=
OXZnbGMzdGZobGRyYjhAZw>
> *When:* Thu, Sep 30 2010 - 8pm to 12am
>
> *Where:* 210 Kent Ave Brooklyn, NY 11211 (Secret Project Robot)<http://ma=
ps.google.com/maps?q=3D210+Kent+Ave+Brooklyn%2C+NY+11211+%28Secret+Project+=
Robot%29&nl=3Den>
>
> *Description:*
>     Music Show by Pendu at Secret Project Robot in Williamsburg
>
>     Admission: $10
>
>     +++=3D=3D=3D+++
>
>     WOLF EYES (http://www.myspace.com/therealwolfeyes)
>     &
>     RICHARD PINHAS (HELDON) (http://www.richard-pinhas.com)
>     +
>     99 (ex-graveyards)
>     +
>     YELLOW TEARS (http://www.myspace.com/yellowtears)
>
>     =E2=80=9CComposer, guitarist and electronics innovator Richard Pinhas=
 is
> recognized as one of France=E2=80=99s major experimental musicians. A piv=
otal figure
> in the international development of electronic rock music, Pinhas=E2=80=
=99 stature
> in France is analogous to Tangerine Dream=E2=80=99s in Germany: the fathe=
r figure of
> an entire musical movement. The pioneering, aggressive music produced by =
his
> band Heldon during the 1970s, fusing electronics, guitar and rock, herald=
ed
> the industrial and techno to come and remains today vital and unsurpassed=
.
> The =E2=80=98Father=E2=80=99 of electronic music in France is also recogn=
ized as a
> world-class guitarist whose =E2=80=9Cdiabolical guitar work=E2=80=9D (Pro=
gression) earns
> comparisons with Robert Fripp.=E2=80=9D
>
>     Facebook RSVP @ http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=3D1509085882746=
61
>
>             The extreme NY music and arts calendar <http://extremeNY.com>
>
> --
>      /t
>
> http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000
>



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So this show <i>sucked.</i>=C2=A0=C2=A0:-(<div><br></div><div>There were tw=
o crappy and really annoying noise bands first.</div><div><br></div><div>Fi=
nally, Wolf Eyes and Pinhas came on stage - after setting up and then just =
leaving us to age for 30 minutes - and did about a 30 minute, somewhat nois=
y set where you heard very little of Pinhas and then left... no encore, no =
nothing.</div>

<div><br></div><div>The crowd was subdued.</div><div><br></div><div>Let me =
tell you that Mr. Pinhas will not get to play with my SoftStep.</div><div><=
br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Tom Swir=
ly <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tom@swirly.com">tom@swirly.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Oh, my, God, Ric=
hard Pinhas! =C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">

So glad I checked my mailbox tonight...<br><div>

<h1><a href=3D"http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=3Db3M2dHJqYjQ5MTBqM=
jhpbHVxNmpwY3MwY2sgNnJqMXI1ZGtpdjhvOXZnbGMzdGZobGRyYjhAZw" target=3D"_blank=
">9/30: Wolf Eyes + Richard Pinhas / 99 / Yellow Tears</a></h1>

<b>When:</b> Thu, Sep 30 2010 - 8pm to 12am=C2=A0<br>

<br><b>Where:</b> <a href=3D"http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3D210+Kent+Ave+B=
rooklyn%2C+NY+11211+%28Secret+Project+Robot%29&amp;nl=3Den" target=3D"_blan=
k">210 Kent Ave Brooklyn, NY 11211 (Secret Project Robot)</a>
<br>
<br><b>Description:</b><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Music Show by Pendu at S=
ecret Project Robot in Williamsburg<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<br>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Admission: $10<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<br>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0+++=3D=3D=3D+++<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0WOLF EYES (<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/therealwolfeyes" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://www.myspace.com/therealwolfeyes</a>)<br>


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0&amp;<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0RICHARD PINHAS (HE=
LDON) (<a href=3D"http://www.richard-pinhas.com" target=3D"_blank">http://w=
ww.richard-pinhas.com</a>)<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0+<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A099 (ex-graveyards)<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0+<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0YELLOW TEARS (<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/yellowtears" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://www.myspace.com/yellowtears</a>)<br>


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=E2=80=9CComposer, guit=
arist and electronics innovator Richard Pinhas is recognized as one of Fran=
ce=E2=80=99s major experimental musicians. A pivotal figure in the internat=
ional development of electronic rock music, Pinhas=E2=80=99 stature in Fran=
ce is analogous to Tangerine Dream=E2=80=99s in Germany: the father figure =
of an entire musical movement. The pioneering, aggressive music produced by=
 his band Heldon during the 1970s, fusing electronics, guitar and rock, her=
alded the industrial and techno to come and remains today vital and unsurpa=
ssed. The =E2=80=98Father=E2=80=99 of electronic music in France is also re=
cognized as a world-class guitarist whose =E2=80=9Cdiabolical guitar work=
=E2=80=9D (Progression) earns comparisons with Robert Fripp.=E2=80=9D<br>


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Facebook RSVP @ <a href=
=3D"http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=3D150908588274661" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=3D150908588274661</a><br>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<a =
href=3D"http://extremeNY.com" target=3D"_blank">The extreme NY music and ar=
ts calendar</a></div></div><br><font color=3D"#888888">-- <br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 /t<br><br><a href=3D"http://radio.swirly.com" target=3D"_blank">http=
://radio.swirly.com</a> - art music radio 24/7 366/1000<br>



</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=
=A0 /t<br><br><a href=3D"http://radio.swirly.com">http://radio.swirly.com</=
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 23:17:55 -0700 (PDT)
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hey thanks,

just noticed that looper messages where going to the spam box. How is it working 
with prarlells?

Antony Hequet


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I use parallels on my macbook pro.  and have a windows xp sp3 load and also a 
ubuntu 

linux load.  It works great.  XP pro seems to be a very stable and predictable 
operating 

system.  I think the reason to go with XP more over Windows 7, is that you might 
have an 

old machine laying around (or a friends) that isn't being used any more.  You 
can snag the 

license key off the case and use that on the mac instead of buying a new OS like 
Windows 

7.


On 22 Sep 2010 at 23:01, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote:

> 
>     hello, back on the block for some more tech nerd stuff.
>    
>     I need to reinstall windows on an iMac to run editor for Gordius BLG 
>     and other editor programs.
>    
>     I plan to run Bootcamp and windows 7. Is this a wise choice: any 
>     reason I should stick to XP? 
>     Another side question: any reason I should prefer paralells to 
>     bootcamp?
>    
>     Again, I will be running editors not real time audio...
>    
>     Antony Hequet
> 
> 
> 


      

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really enjoyed Jazz Hands Michael it moved me
and you re ahead of time with the Christmas cap
keep it up you gonna get there
Luis

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:02 PM, <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:

> unless you are a BFF of mine on facebook you may have missed my new
> adventures in movie making.....
> some of you have suggested that i put my toons up on vimeo and being a
> horse that is directed by the shadow of a whip, i have done so!
> www.vimeo.com/klobuchar
> give them a look see if you care to.....tanks.....:)m
>
>
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really enjoyed Jazz Hands Michael it moved me<br>and you re ahead of time w=
ith the Christmas cap<br>keep it up you gonna get there<br>Luis<br><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:02 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nemoguitt@aol.com">nemoguitt@aol.com</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">unless you are a =
BFF of mine on facebook you may have missed my new adventures in movie maki=
ng.....<br>

some of you have suggested that i put my toons up on vimeo and being a hors=
e that is directed by the shadow of a whip, i have done so!<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/klobuchar" target=3D"_blank">www.vimeo.com/=
klobuchar</a><br>
give them a look see if you care to.....tanks.....:)m<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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=A0<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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When the conversation turns to  great directors, one name will have to  
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Hi Paul,
 the new Jamman Delay sounds quite interesting. But I couldn=B4t find =
any information about Midi.
Does it have Midi? This is an option I like a lot with my RC 50, as =
I=B4m using it with an external
drum machine and loops can be synced this way.
Best,
Christo=20

=20


From: Paul Richards=20
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:25 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50


      I've had both (am currently using a Digitech Jamman Delay - ow). I =
really liked the new 'Rang a lot. The sound quality was pretty good and =
the pedal action was acceptable. But--I really didn't like that =
"circular" lighted construct at all. I found it confusing and =
non-intuitive. And it was time consuming to reassign pedal functions. I =
may purchase another one now that the new software version is available. =


      As far as the RC-50 goes, I found that to be a somewhat flakey =
device, i.e. the interface. A ot of button pushes bending over to setup =
loops the way I wanted them (e.g. with the proper clicktrack sound). =
But, maybe I'll get another one day and give it a second chance.

      I think the new Jamman w/Delay is an acceptable looper (my =
favorite has always been the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro followed by the =
Electrix Repeater and then the original Jamman). No external pedals are =
needed for loop-up and loop-down. It does save loops and has a USB port. =
Quality is very good. The Delay is icing on the cake.=20

      Regards, Paul


      --- On Thu, 9/30/10, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de> wrote:


        From: Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de>
        Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 6:07 AM



        If you=B4re looking for a save and easy to handle looping-device =
with lots of options,
        like storing f.inst., I would recommend the RC 50. And it=B4s =
not expensive too.
        The thing is, you can rely on it. It works.
        If I need my synthie-sound loops to be more round, more smooth, =
I rather go for
        my RC 20 Delay functions.
        But all in all the RC 50 is a clever apparature and a good =
compromise.
        Best,
        Christo
        www.christojota.de

        --------------------------------------------------
        From: "Hank & Michelle" <musdnc@mchsi.com>
        Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:31 PM
        To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
        Subject: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50

        > Hi Everyone,
        >=20
        > I'm torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50.  I've got =
a Boomerang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can move =
my looper to the end of my signal chain.  The Boomerang would easily fit =
on my board, and like I said I love my Plus, but I really like the idea =
of being able to save my loops.
        >=20
        > Any ideas/suggestions?
        >=20
        > Thanks,
        > Hank=20

    =20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Hi Paul,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>&nbsp;the new Jamman Delay sounds quite =
interesting. But=20
I&nbsp;couldn=B4t find any information about Midi.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Does it have Midi? This is an option I like a =
lot with=20
my RC 50, as I=B4m using it with an external</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>drum machine and loops can be synced this=20
way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Best,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Christo</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri><BR></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
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href=3D"mailto:paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com">Paul Richards</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:25 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
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      <DIV>I've had both (am currently using a Digitech Jamman Delay - =
ow). I=20
      really liked the new 'Rang a lot. The sound quality was pretty =
good and=20
      the pedal action was acceptable. But--I really didn't like that =
"circular"=20
      lighted construct at all. I found it confusing and non-intuitive. =
And it=20
      was time consuming to reassign pedal functions. I may purchase =
another one=20
      now that the new software version is available. </DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>As far as the RC-50 goes, I found that to be a somewhat =
flakey=20
      device, i.e. the interface. A ot of button pushes bending over to =
setup=20
      loops the way I wanted them (e.g. with the proper clicktrack =
sound). But,=20
      maybe I'll get another one day and give it a second chance.</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>I think the new Jamman w/Delay is an acceptable looper (my =
favorite=20
      has always been the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro&nbsp;followed by =
the=20
      Electrix Repeater and then the original Jamman). No external =
pedals are=20
      needed for loop-up and loop-down. It does save loops and has a USB =
port.=20
      Quality is very good. The Delay is icing on the cake. </DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Regards, Paul</DIV>
      <DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 9/30/10, Christo Jota=20
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      style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From:=20
        Christo Jota &lt;chris@christojota.de&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: =
Boomerang 3=20
        vs. Boss RC-50<BR>To: =
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>Date:=20
        Thursday, September 30, 2010, 6:07 AM<BR><BR>
        <DIV class=3DplainMail><BR>If you=B4re looking for a save and =
easy to handle=20
        looping-device with lots of options,<BR>like storing f.inst., I =
would=20
        recommend the RC 50. And it=B4s not expensive too.<BR>The thing =
is, you=20
        can rely on it. It works.<BR>If I need my synthie-sound loops to =
be more=20
        round, more smooth, I rather go for<BR>my RC 20 Delay =
functions.<BR>But=20
        all in all the RC 50 is a clever apparature and a good=20
        =
compromise.<BR>Best,<BR>Christo<BR>www.christojota.de<BR><BR>------------=
--------------------------------------<BR>From:=20
        "Hank &amp; Michelle" &lt;<A=20
        =
href=3D"http://us.mc367.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dmusdnc@mchsi.com" =

        =
ymailto=3D"mailto:musdnc@mchsi.com">musdnc@mchsi.com</A>&gt;<BR>Sent:=20
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opers-delight.com"=20
        =
ymailto=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@lo=
opers-delight.com</A>&gt;<BR>Subject:=20
        Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50<BR><BR>&gt; Hi Everyone,<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt; I'm=20
        torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50.&nbsp; I've got =
a=20
        Boomerang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can =
move my=20
        looper to the end of my signal chain.&nbsp; The Boomerang would =
easily=20
        fit on my board, and like I said I love my Plus, but I really =
like the=20
        idea of being able to save my loops.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Any=20
        ideas/suggestions?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Thanks,<BR>&gt; Hank=20
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Hi Christo

Which drum machine do you use? I'm also thinking about buying one at some
point. I guess you "sacrifice" one of the 3 phrases just for the drum loop
right?

Andreas

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de> wrote:

>  Hi Paul,
>  the new Jamman Delay sounds quite interesting. But I couldn=B4t find any
> information about Midi.
> Does it have Midi? This is an option I like a lot with my RC 50, as I=B4m
> using it with an external
> drum machine and loops can be synced this way.
> Best,
> Christo
>
>
>
>  *From:* Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:25 PM
> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Subject:* Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50
>
>   I've had both (am currently using a Digitech Jamman Delay - ow). I
> really liked the new 'Rang a lot. The sound quality was pretty good and t=
he
> pedal action was acceptable. But--I really didn't like that "circular"
> lighted construct at all. I found it confusing and non-intuitive. And it =
was
> time consuming to reassign pedal functions. I may purchase another one no=
w
> that the new software version is available.
>
> As far as the RC-50 goes, I found that to be a somewhat flakey device, i.=
e.
> the interface. A ot of button pushes bending over to setup loops the way =
I
> wanted them (e.g. with the proper clicktrack sound). But, maybe I'll get
> another one day and give it a second chance.
>
> I think the new Jamman w/Delay is an acceptable looper (my favorite has
> always been the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro followed by the Electrix
> Repeater and then the original Jamman). No external pedals are needed for
> loop-up and loop-down. It does save loops and has a USB port. Quality is
> very good. The Delay is icing on the cake.
>
> Regards, Paul
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 9/30/10, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de>
> Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 6:07 AM
>
>
> If you=B4re looking for a save and easy to handle looping-device with lot=
s of
> options,
> like storing f.inst., I would recommend the RC 50. And it=B4s not expensi=
ve
> too.
> The thing is, you can rely on it. It works.
> If I need my synthie-sound loops to be more round, more smooth, I rather =
go
> for
> my RC 20 Delay functions.
> But all in all the RC 50 is a clever apparature and a good compromise.
> Best,
> Christo
> www.christojota.de
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Hank & Michelle" <musdnc@mchsi.com<http://us.mc367.mail.yahoo.com/=
mc/compose?to=3Dmusdnc@mchsi.com>
> >
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:31 PM
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<http://us.mc367.mail.yahoo.com/m=
c/compose?to=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> >
> Subject: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I'm torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50.  I've got a
> Boomerang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can move my
> looper to the end of my signal chain.  The Boomerang would easily fit on =
my
> board, and like I said I love my Plus, but I really like the idea of bein=
g
> able to save my loops.
> >
> > Any ideas/suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Hank
>
>
>

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Hi Christo<div><br></div><div>Which drum machine do you use? I&#39;m also t=
hinking about buying one at some point. I guess you &quot;sacrifice&quot; o=
ne of the 3 phrases just for the drum loop right?</div><div><br></div><div>
Andreas<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:51 AM, C=
hristo Jota <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de">c=
hris@christojota.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;=
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<div style=3D"padding-left:10px;padding-right:10px;padding-top:15px" name=
=3D"Compose message area">
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">Hi Paul,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">=A0the new Jamman Delay sounds quite interestin=
g. But=20
I=A0couldn=B4t find any information about Midi.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">Does it have Midi? This is an option I like a l=
ot with=20
my RC 50, as I=B4m using it with an external</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">drum machine and loops can be synced this=20
way.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">Best,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">Christo</font>=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri"><br></font>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font:10pt Tahoma">
<div><br></div>
<div style=3D"background:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com" href=3D"mailto:p=
aulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">Paul Richards</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:25 PM</div><div class=3D"i=
m">
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" href=3D"ma=
ilto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight=
@loopers-delight.com</a>=20
</div>
</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: Boomerang =
3 vs. Boss RC-50</div></div></div></div></div><div><div></div><div class=3D=
"h5">
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      <div>I&#39;ve had both (am currently using a Digitech Jamman Delay - =
ow). I=20
      really liked the new &#39;Rang a lot. The sound quality was pretty go=
od and=20
      the pedal action was acceptable. But--I really didn&#39;t like that &=
quot;circular&quot;=20
      lighted construct at all. I found it confusing and non-intuitive. And=
 it=20
      was time consuming to reassign pedal functions. I may purchase anothe=
r one=20
      now that the new software version is available. </div>
      <div>=A0</div>
      <div>As far as the RC-50 goes, I found that to be a somewhat flakey=
=20
      device, i.e. the interface. A ot of button pushes bending over to set=
up=20
      loops the way I wanted them (e.g. with the proper clicktrack sound). =
But,=20
      maybe I&#39;ll get another one day and give it a second chance.</div>
      <div>=A0</div>
      <div>I think the new Jamman w/Delay is an acceptable looper (my favor=
ite=20
      has always been the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro=A0followed by the=20
      Electrix Repeater and then the original Jamman). No external pedals a=
re=20
      needed for loop-up and loop-down. It does save loops and has a USB po=
rt.=20
      Quality is very good. The Delay is icing on the cake. </div>
      <div>=A0</div>
      <div>Regards, Paul</div>
      <div><br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 9/30/10, Christo Jota=20
      <i>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de" target=3D"_blank">chri=
s@christojota.de</a>&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br></div>
      <blockquote style=3D"border-left:rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;padding-lef=
t:5px;margin-left:5px"><br>From:=20
        Christo Jota &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de" target=3D"=
_blank">chris@christojota.de</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: Boomerang 3=20
        vs. Boss RC-50<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-del=
ight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>Date=
:=20
        Thursday, September 30, 2010, 6:07 AM<br><br>
        <div><br>If you=B4re looking for a save and easy to handle=20
        looping-device with lots of options,<br>like storing f.inst., I wou=
ld=20
        recommend the RC 50. And it=B4s not expensive too.<br>The thing is,=
 you=20
        can rely on it. It works.<br>If I need my synthie-sound loops to be=
 more=20
        round, more smooth, I rather go for<br>my RC 20 Delay functions.<br=
>But=20
        all in all the RC 50 is a clever apparature and a good=20
        compromise.<br>Best,<br>Christo<br><a href=3D"http://www.christojot=
a.de" target=3D"_blank">www.christojota.de</a><br><br>---------------------=
-----------------------------<br>From:=20
        &quot;Hank &amp; Michelle&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"http://us.mc367.mail=
.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dmusdnc@mchsi.com" target=3D"_blank">musdnc@mchsi=
.com</a>&gt;<br>Sent:=20
        Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:31 PM<br>To: &lt;<a href=3D"http://=
us.mc367.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<br>Subject:=
=20
        Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50<br><br>&gt; Hi Everyone,<br>&gt; <br>&gt=
; I&#39;m=20
        torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50.=A0 I&#39;ve got a=
=20
        Boomerang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can mo=
ve my=20
        looper to the end of my signal chain.=A0 The Boomerang would easily=
=20
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the=20
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Hi Andreas,
I=B4m using a Zoom RT 223. I sync it with the 3 phrases of the RC 50, if =
that=B4s what you mean.
The internal drum patterns of the RC 50 are crap. The Zoom sounds better =
and I can programm my
own patterns. I bought the Zoom just a few weeks ago, but seems to be ok =
with quite good sounds
and easy handling, which is important to me. And it=B4s cheap: 150 =
Euros.
Christo=20


From: andreas=20
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:44 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50


Hi Christo=20


Which drum machine do you use? I'm also thinking about buying one at =
some point. I guess you "sacrifice" one of the 3 phrases just for the =
drum loop right?


Andreas


On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de> =
wrote:

  Hi Paul,
   the new Jamman Delay sounds quite interesting. But I couldn=B4t find =
any information about Midi.
  Does it have Midi? This is an option I like a lot with my RC 50, as =
I=B4m using it with an external
  drum machine and loops can be synced this way.
  Best,
  Christo=20

  =20


  From: Paul Richards=20
  Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:25 PM
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50


        I've had both (am currently using a Digitech Jamman Delay - ow). =
I really liked the new 'Rang a lot. The sound quality was pretty good =
and the pedal action was acceptable. But--I really didn't like that =
"circular" lighted construct at all. I found it confusing and =
non-intuitive. And it was time consuming to reassign pedal functions. I =
may purchase another one now that the new software version is available. =


        As far as the RC-50 goes, I found that to be a somewhat flakey =
device, i.e. the interface. A ot of button pushes bending over to setup =
loops the way I wanted them (e.g. with the proper clicktrack sound). =
But, maybe I'll get another one day and give it a second chance.

        I think the new Jamman w/Delay is an acceptable looper (my =
favorite has always been the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro followed by the =
Electrix Repeater and then the original Jamman). No external pedals are =
needed for loop-up and loop-down. It does save loops and has a USB port. =
Quality is very good. The Delay is icing on the cake.=20

        Regards, Paul


        --- On Thu, 9/30/10, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de> wrote:


          From: Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de>
          Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50
          To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
          Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 6:07 AM



          If you=B4re looking for a save and easy to handle =
looping-device with lots of options,
          like storing f.inst., I would recommend the RC 50. And it=B4s =
not expensive too.
          The thing is, you can rely on it. It works.
          If I need my synthie-sound loops to be more round, more =
smooth, I rather go for
          my RC 20 Delay functions.
          But all in all the RC 50 is a clever apparature and a good =
compromise.
          Best,
          Christo
          www.christojota.de

          --------------------------------------------------
          From: "Hank & Michelle" <musdnc@mchsi.com>
          Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:31 PM
          To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
          Subject: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50

          > Hi Everyone,
          >=20
          > I'm torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50.  I've =
got a Boomerang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can =
move my looper to the end of my signal chain.  The Boomerang would =
easily fit on my board, and like I said I love my Plus, but I really =
like the idea of being able to save my loops.
          >=20
          > Any ideas/suggestions?
          >=20
          > Thanks,
          > Hank=20

      =20




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<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>I=B4m using a Zoom RT 223. I sync it with the =
3 phrases of=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>The&nbsp;internal drum patterns of the RC 50 =
are crap.=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>own&nbsp;patterns. I bought the Zoom just a =
few weeks=20
ago, but seems to be ok with quite good sounds</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>and easy handling, which is important to me. =
And it=B4s=20
cheap: 150 Euros.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Christo</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma">
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3D"mailto:e.a.antoniou@gmail.com&#10;STRG + Klicken, um =
Verkn=FCpfung zu folgen"=20
href=3D"mailto:e.a.antoniou@gmail.com">andreas</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 01, 2010 9:44 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&#10;STRG + Klicken, =
um Verkn=FCpfung zu folgen"=20
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Christo=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Which drum machine do you use? I'm also thinking about buying one =
at some=20
point. I guess you "sacrifice" one of the 3 phrases just for the drum =
loop=20
right?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Andreas<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Christo Jota =
<SPAN=20
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wrote:<BR>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Hi Paul,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>&nbsp;the new Jamman Delay sounds quite =
interesting.=20
  But I&nbsp;couldn=B4t find any information about Midi.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Does it have Midi? This is an option I like =
a lot with=20
  my RC 50, as I=B4m using it with an external</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>drum machine and loops can be synced this=20
  way.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Best,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Christo</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dpaulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com" target=3D_blank>Paul =
Richards</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:25 PM</DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dim>
  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20
  target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A> </DIV></DIV>
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  <DIV></DIV>
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  <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss=20
  RC-50</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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        <DIV>I've had both (am currently using a Digitech Jamman Delay - =
ow). I=20
        really liked the new 'Rang a lot. The sound quality was pretty =
good and=20
        the pedal action was acceptable. But--I really didn't like that=20
        "circular" lighted construct at all. I found it confusing and=20
        non-intuitive. And it was time consuming to reassign pedal =
functions. I=20
        may purchase another one now that the new software version is =
available.=20
        </DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>As far as the RC-50 goes, I found that to be a somewhat =
flakey=20
        device, i.e. the interface. A ot of button pushes bending over =
to setup=20
        loops the way I wanted them (e.g. with the proper clicktrack =
sound).=20
        But, maybe I'll get another one day and give it a second =
chance.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>I think the new Jamman w/Delay is an acceptable looper (my =
favorite=20
        has always been the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro&nbsp;followed by =
the=20
        Electrix Repeater and then the original Jamman). No external =
pedals are=20
        needed for loop-up and loop-down. It does save loops and has a =
USB port.=20
        Quality is very good. The Delay is icing on the cake. </DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Regards, Paul</DIV>
        <DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 9/30/10, Christo Jota <I>&lt;<A=20
        href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de"=20
        target=3D_blank>chris@christojota.de</A>&gt;</I></B> =
wrote:<BR></DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE=20
        style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From:=20
          Christo Jota &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de"=20
          target=3D_blank>chris@christojota.de</A>&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: =
Boomerang 3=20
          vs. Boss RC-50<BR>To: <A=20
          href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20
          =
target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A><BR>Date:=20
          Thursday, September 30, 2010, 6:07 AM<BR><BR>
          <DIV><BR>If you=B4re looking for a save and easy to handle=20
          looping-device with lots of options,<BR>like storing f.inst., =
I would=20
          recommend the RC 50. And it=B4s not expensive too.<BR>The =
thing is, you=20
          can rely on it. It works.<BR>If I need my synthie-sound loops =
to be=20
          more round, more smooth, I rather go for<BR>my RC 20 Delay=20
          functions.<BR>But all in all the RC 50 is a clever apparature =
and a=20
          good compromise.<BR>Best,<BR>Christo<BR><A=20
          href=3D"http://www.christojota.de"=20
          =
target=3D_blank>www.christojota.de</A><BR><BR>---------------------------=
-----------------------<BR>From:=20
          "Hank &amp; Michelle" &lt;<A=20
          =
href=3D"http://us.mc367.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dmusdnc@mchsi.com" =

          target=3D_blank>musdnc@mchsi.com</A>&gt;<BR>Sent: Wednesday, =
September=20
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          =
href=3D"http://us.mc367.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DLoopers-Delight@lo=
opers-delight.com"=20
          =
target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A>&gt;<BR>Subject:=20
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<BR>&gt;=20
          I'm torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50.&nbsp; =
I've got a=20
          Boomerang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I =
can move=20
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would=20
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really=20
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Any=20
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sounds good I'll check it out!
I'm only a bit confused because I thought the rc-50 cannot be used as a
slave with midi. I thought it could only send a tempo signal to which other
devices can be synced but not the opposite. Or am I missing something here?

andreas

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de> wrote:

>  Hi Andreas,
> I=B4m using a Zoom RT 223. I sync it with the 3 phrases of the RC 50, if
> that=B4s what you mean.
> The internal drum patterns of the RC 50 are crap. The Zoom sounds better
> and I can programm my
> own patterns. I bought the Zoom just a few weeks ago, but seems to be ok
> with quite good sounds
> and easy handling, which is important to me. And it=B4s cheap: 150 Euros.
> Christo
>
>  *From:* andreas <e.a.antoniou@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 01, 2010 9:44 AM
> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Subject:* Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50
>
> Hi Christo
>
> Which drum machine do you use? I'm also thinking about buying one at some
> point. I guess you "sacrifice" one of the 3 phrases just for the drum loo=
p
> right?
>
> Andreas
>
> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de> wrote=
:
>
>>  Hi Paul,
>>  the new Jamman Delay sounds quite interesting. But I couldn=B4t find an=
y
>> information about Midi.
>> Does it have Midi? This is an option I like a lot with my RC 50, as I=B4=
m
>> using it with an external
>> drum machine and loops can be synced this way.
>> Best,
>> Christo
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:25 PM
>>  *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>   *Subject:* Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50
>>
>>   I've had both (am currently using a Digitech Jamman Delay - ow). I
>> really liked the new 'Rang a lot. The sound quality was pretty good and =
the
>> pedal action was acceptable. But--I really didn't like that "circular"
>> lighted construct at all. I found it confusing and non-intuitive. And it=
 was
>> time consuming to reassign pedal functions. I may purchase another one n=
ow
>> that the new software version is available.
>>
>> As far as the RC-50 goes, I found that to be a somewhat flakey device,
>> i.e. the interface. A ot of button pushes bending over to setup loops th=
e
>> way I wanted them (e.g. with the proper clicktrack sound). But, maybe I'=
ll
>> get another one day and give it a second chance.
>>
>> I think the new Jamman w/Delay is an acceptable looper (my favorite has
>> always been the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro followed by the Electrix
>> Repeater and then the original Jamman). No external pedals are needed fo=
r
>> loop-up and loop-down. It does save loops and has a USB port. Quality is
>> very good. The Delay is icing on the cake.
>>
>> Regards, Paul
>>
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 9/30/10, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de>
>> Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 6:07 AM
>>
>>
>> If you=B4re looking for a save and easy to handle looping-device with lo=
ts
>> of options,
>> like storing f.inst., I would recommend the RC 50. And it=B4s not expens=
ive
>> too.
>> The thing is, you can rely on it. It works.
>> If I need my synthie-sound loops to be more round, more smooth, I rather
>> go for
>> my RC 20 Delay functions.
>> But all in all the RC 50 is a clever apparature and a good compromise.
>> Best,
>> Christo
>> www.christojota.de
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Hank & Michelle" <musdnc@mchsi.com<http://us.mc367.mail.yahoo.com=
/mc/compose?to=3Dmusdnc@mchsi.com>
>> >
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:31 PM
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<http://us.mc367.mail.yahoo.com/=
mc/compose?to=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> >
>> Subject: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50
>>
>> > Hi Everyone,
>> >
>> > I'm torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50.  I've got a
>> Boomerang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can move my
>> looper to the end of my signal chain.  The Boomerang would easily fit on=
 my
>> board, and like I said I love my Plus, but I really like the idea of bei=
ng
>> able to save my loops.
>> >
>> > Any ideas/suggestions?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Hank
>>
>>
>>
>

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sounds good I&#39;ll check it out!<div>I&#39;m only a bit confused because =
I thought the rc-50 cannot be used as a slave with midi. I thought it could=
 only send a tempo signal to which other devices can be synced but not the =
opposite. Or am I missing something here?</div>
<div><br></div><div>andreas<br><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, =
Oct 1, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Christo Jota <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:chris@christojota.de">chris@christojota.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex;">




<div style=3D"padding-left:10px;padding-right:10px;padding-top:15px" name=
=3D"Compose message area">
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">Hi Andreas,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">I=B4m using a Zoom RT 223. I sync it with the 3=
 phrases of=20
the RC 50, if that=B4s what you mean.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">The=A0internal drum patterns of the RC 50 are c=
rap.=20
The Zoom sounds better and I can programm my</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">own=A0patterns. I bought the Zoom just a few we=
eks=20
ago, but seems to be ok with quite good sounds</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">and easy handling, which is important to me. An=
d it=B4s=20
cheap: 150 Euros.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">Christo</font>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font:10pt Tahoma">
<div><br></div>
<div style=3D"background:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"mailto:e.a.antoniou@gmail.com
STRG + Klicken, um Verkn=FCpfung zu folgen" href=3D"mailto:e.a.antoniou@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">andreas</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 01, 2010 9:44 AM</div><div><div></div><di=
v class=3D"h5">
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
STRG + Klicken, um Verkn=FCpfung zu folgen" href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@=
loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<=
/a>=20
</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50</div></div></div></div>=
</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">
<div><br></div>Hi Christo=20
<div><br></div>
<div>Which drum machine do you use? I&#39;m also thinking about buying one =
at some=20
point. I guess you &quot;sacrifice&quot; one of the 3 phrases just for the =
drum loop=20
right?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Andreas<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Christo Jota <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de" target=3D"_blank=
">chris@christojota.de</a>&gt;</span>=20
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;pa=
dding-left:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
  <div style=3D"padding-left:10px;padding-right:10px;padding-top:15px" name=
=3D"Compose message area">
  <div><font face=3D"Calibri">Hi Paul,</font></div>
  <div><font face=3D"Calibri">=A0the new Jamman Delay sounds quite interest=
ing.=20
  But I=A0couldn=B4t find any information about Midi.</font></div>
  <div><font face=3D"Calibri">Does it have Midi? This is an option I like a=
 lot with=20
  my RC 50, as I=B4m using it with an external</font></div>
  <div><font face=3D"Calibri">drum machine and loops can be synced this=20
  way.</font></div>
  <div><font face=3D"Calibri">Best,</font></div>
  <div><font face=3D"Calibri">Christo</font>=A0</div>
  <div><font face=3D"Calibri"><br></font>=A0</div>
  <div style=3D"font:10pt Tahoma">
  <div><br></div>
  <div style=3D"background:#f5f5f5">
  <div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com" href=3D"mailto=
:paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">Paul Richards</a>=20
  </div>
  <div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:25 PM</div>
  <div>
  <div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" href=3D"=
mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delig=
ht@loopers-delight.com</a> </div></div>
  <div>
  <div></div>
  <div>
  <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss=20
  RC-50</div></div></div></div></div>
  <div>
  <div></div>
  <div>
  <div><br></div>
  <table border=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0">
    <tbody>
    <tr>
      <td valign=3D"top">
        <div>I&#39;ve had both (am currently using a Digitech Jamman Delay =
- ow). I=20
        really liked the new &#39;Rang a lot. The sound quality was pretty =
good and=20
        the pedal action was acceptable. But--I really didn&#39;t like that=
=20
        &quot;circular&quot; lighted construct at all. I found it confusing=
 and=20
        non-intuitive. And it was time consuming to reassign pedal function=
s. I=20
        may purchase another one now that the new software version is avail=
able.=20
        </div>
        <div>=A0</div>
        <div>As far as the RC-50 goes, I found that to be a somewhat flakey=
=20
        device, i.e. the interface. A ot of button pushes bending over to s=
etup=20
        loops the way I wanted them (e.g. with the proper clicktrack sound)=
.=20
        But, maybe I&#39;ll get another one day and give it a second chance=
.</div>
        <div>=A0</div>
        <div>I think the new Jamman w/Delay is an acceptable looper (my fav=
orite=20
        has always been the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro=A0followed by the=
=20
        Electrix Repeater and then the original Jamman). No external pedals=
 are=20
        needed for loop-up and loop-down. It does save loops and has a USB =
port.=20
        Quality is very good. The Delay is icing on the cake. </div>
        <div>=A0</div>
        <div>Regards, Paul</div>
        <div><br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 9/30/10, Christo Jota <i>&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:chris@christojota.de" target=3D"_blank">chris@christojota.de</a>&gt=
;</i></b> wrote:<br></div>
        <blockquote style=3D"border-left:rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;padding-l=
eft:5px;margin-left:5px"><br>From:=20
          Christo Jota &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de" target=
=3D"_blank">chris@christojota.de</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: Boomerang 3=20
          vs. Boss RC-50<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-d=
elight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>Da=
te:=20
          Thursday, September 30, 2010, 6:07 AM<br><br>
          <div><br>If you=B4re looking for a save and easy to handle=20
          looping-device with lots of options,<br>like storing f.inst., I w=
ould=20
          recommend the RC 50. And it=B4s not expensive too.<br>The thing i=
s, you=20
          can rely on it. It works.<br>If I need my synthie-sound loops to =
be=20
          more round, more smooth, I rather go for<br>my RC 20 Delay=20
          functions.<br>But all in all the RC 50 is a clever apparature and=
 a=20
          good compromise.<br>Best,<br>Christo<br><a href=3D"http://www.chr=
istojota.de" target=3D"_blank">www.christojota.de</a><br><br>--------------=
------------------------------------<br>From:=20
          &quot;Hank &amp; Michelle&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"http://us.mc367.ma=
il.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dmusdnc@mchsi.com" target=3D"_blank">musdnc@mch=
si.com</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Wednesday, September=20
          29, 2010 8:31 PM<br>To: &lt;<a href=3D"http://us.mc367.mail.yahoo=
.com/mc/compose?to=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<br>Subject:=20
          Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50<br><br>&gt; Hi Everyone,<br>&gt; <br>&=
gt;=20
          I&#39;m torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50.=A0 I&#39=
;ve got a=20
          Boomerang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can =
move=20
          my looper to the end of my signal chain.=A0 The Boomerang would=
=20
          easily fit on my board, and like I said I love my Plus, but I rea=
lly=20
          like the idea of being able to save my loops.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; An=
y=20
          ideas/suggestions?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thanks,<br>&gt; Hank=20
        <br><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><br></div></di=
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Hank,

The Rang 3 has stereo input and output. As for saving loops, I prefer not
being able to save them for many reasons. However, most important to me is
the fact that as someone who loops for live performance, I want the
flexibility in each performance to change the loops as the music feels. I've
been a "rangster" since 98. I have dabbled with others alon g the way,
including the boss,jamman, looperalitive, etc. Each has it's compromises,
but for a great sounding, very portable, live performance,tool, I keep
coming back to the Rang 3

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Hank,<br><br>The Rang 3 has stereo input and output. As for saving loops, I=
 prefer not being able to save them for many reasons. However, most importa=
nt to me is the fact that as someone who loops for live performance, I want=
 the flexibility in each performance to change the loops as the music feels=
. I&#39;ve been a &quot;rangster&quot; since 98. I have dabbled with others=
 alon
g the way, including the boss,jamman, looperalitive, etc. Each has it&#39;s=
 compromises, but for a great sounding, very portable, live performance,too=
l, I keep coming back to the Rang 3<br><br>Mike Dimin

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I use the Zoom as slave. Not the RC 50.
Not sure if it=B4s possible opposite. I remember from previous =
discussions here,
that it may be problematic. Who knows?
Best,
Christo


From: andreas=20
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:49 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50


sounds good I'll check it out!=20
I'm only a bit confused because I thought the rc-50 cannot be used as a =
slave with midi. I thought it could only send a tempo signal to which =
other devices can be synced but not the opposite. Or am I missing =
something here?


andreas



On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de> =
wrote:

  Hi Andreas,
  I=B4m using a Zoom RT 223. I sync it with the 3 phrases of the RC 50, =
if that=B4s what you mean.
  The internal drum patterns of the RC 50 are crap. The Zoom sounds =
better and I can programm my
  own patterns. I bought the Zoom just a few weeks ago, but seems to be =
ok with quite good sounds
  and easy handling, which is important to me. And it=B4s cheap: 150 =
Euros.
  Christo=20


  From: andreas=20
  Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:44 AM
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50


  Hi Christo=20


  Which drum machine do you use? I'm also thinking about buying one at =
some point. I guess you "sacrifice" one of the 3 phrases just for the =
drum loop right?


  Andreas


  On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de> =
wrote:

    Hi Paul,
     the new Jamman Delay sounds quite interesting. But I couldn=B4t =
find any information about Midi.
    Does it have Midi? This is an option I like a lot with my RC 50, as =
I=B4m using it with an external
    drum machine and loops can be synced this way.
    Best,
    Christo=20

    =20


    From: Paul Richards=20
    Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:25 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
    Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50


          I've had both (am currently using a Digitech Jamman Delay - =
ow). I really liked the new 'Rang a lot. The sound quality was pretty =
good and the pedal action was acceptable. But--I really didn't like that =
"circular" lighted construct at all. I found it confusing and =
non-intuitive. And it was time consuming to reassign pedal functions. I =
may purchase another one now that the new software version is available. =


          As far as the RC-50 goes, I found that to be a somewhat flakey =
device, i.e. the interface. A ot of button pushes bending over to setup =
loops the way I wanted them (e.g. with the proper clicktrack sound). =
But, maybe I'll get another one day and give it a second chance.

          I think the new Jamman w/Delay is an acceptable looper (my =
favorite has always been the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro followed by the =
Electrix Repeater and then the original Jamman). No external pedals are =
needed for loop-up and loop-down. It does save loops and has a USB port. =
Quality is very good. The Delay is icing on the cake.=20

          Regards, Paul


          --- On Thu, 9/30/10, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de> =
wrote:


            From: Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de>
            Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50
            To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
            Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 6:07 AM



            If you=B4re looking for a save and easy to handle =
looping-device with lots of options,
            like storing f.inst., I would recommend the RC 50. And =
it=B4s not expensive too.
            The thing is, you can rely on it. It works.
            If I need my synthie-sound loops to be more round, more =
smooth, I rather go for
            my RC 20 Delay functions.
            But all in all the RC 50 is a clever apparature and a good =
compromise.
            Best,
            Christo
            www.christojota.de

            --------------------------------------------------
            From: "Hank & Michelle" <musdnc@mchsi.com>
            Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:31 PM
            To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
            Subject: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50

            > Hi Everyone,
            >=20
            > I'm torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50.  I've =
got a Boomerang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can =
move my looper to the end of my signal chain.  The Boomerang would =
easily fit on my board, and like I said I love my Plus, but I really =
like the idea of being able to save my loops.
            >=20
            > Any ideas/suggestions?
            >=20
            > Thanks,
            > Hank=20

        =20






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<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>I use the Zoom as slave. Not the RC =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Not sure if it=B4s possible opposite. I =
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previous discussions here,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>that it may be problematic. Who =
knows?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Best,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Christo</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3De.a.antoniou@gmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:e.a.antoniou@gmail.com">andreas</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 01, 2010 10:49 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>sounds good I'll check it out!=20
<DIV>I'm only a bit confused because I thought the rc-50 cannot be used =
as a=20
slave with midi. I thought it could only send a tempo signal to which =
other=20
devices can be synced but not the opposite. Or am I missing something=20
here?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>andreas<BR>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Christo Jota =
<SPAN=20
dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de">chris@christojota.de</A>&gt;</SPAN> =

wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
class=3Dgmail_quote>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Hi Andreas,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>I=B4m using a Zoom RT 223. I sync it with =
the 3 phrases=20
  of the RC 50, if that=B4s what you mean.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>The&nbsp;internal drum patterns of the RC 50 =
are crap.=20
  The Zoom sounds better and I can programm my</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>own&nbsp;patterns. I bought the Zoom just a =
few weeks=20
  ago, but seems to be ok with quite good sounds</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>and easy handling, which is important to me. =
And it=B4s=20
  cheap: 150 Euros.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Christo</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma">
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
  <DIV><B>From:</B> <A=20
  title=3D"mailto:e.a.antoniou@gmail.com&#13;&#10;STRG + Klicken, um =
Verkn=FCpfung zu folgen"=20
  href=3D"mailto:e.a.antoniou@gmail.com" target=3D_blank>andreas</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 01, 2010 9:44 AM</DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dh5>
  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&#13;&#10;STRG + =
Klicken, um Verkn=FCpfung zu folgen"=20
  href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20
  target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss=20
  RC-50</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dh5>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Christo=20
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Which drum machine do you use? I'm also thinking about buying one =
at some=20
  point. I guess you "sacrifice" one of the 3 phrases just for the drum =
loop=20
  right?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Andreas<BR><BR>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Christo Jota =
<SPAN=20
  dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de"=20
  target=3D_blank>chris@christojota.de</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Hi Paul,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>&nbsp;the new Jamman Delay sounds quite =
interesting.=20
    But I&nbsp;couldn=B4t find any information about Midi.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Does it have Midi? This is an option I =
like a lot=20
    with my RC 50, as I=B4m using it with an external</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>drum machine and loops can be synced this=20
    way.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Best,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Christo</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri><BR></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma">
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
    <DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dpaulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com" target=3D_blank>Paul =
Richards</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:25 PM</DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20
    target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A> </DIV></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss=20
    RC-50</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
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          <DIV>I've had both (am currently using a Digitech Jamman Delay =
- ow).=20
          I really liked the new 'Rang a lot. The sound quality was =
pretty good=20
          and the pedal action was acceptable. But--I really didn't like =
that=20
          "circular" lighted construct at all. I found it confusing and=20
          non-intuitive. And it was time consuming to reassign pedal =
functions.=20
          I may purchase another one now that the new software version =
is=20
          available. </DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>As far as the RC-50 goes, I found that to be a somewhat =
flakey=20
          device, i.e. the interface. A ot of button pushes bending over =
to=20
          setup loops the way I wanted them (e.g. with the proper =
clicktrack=20
          sound). But, maybe I'll get another one day and give it a =
second=20
          chance.</DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>I think the new Jamman w/Delay is an acceptable looper =
(my=20
          favorite has always been the Gibson Echoplex Digital =
Pro&nbsp;followed=20
          by the Electrix Repeater and then the original Jamman). No =
external=20
          pedals are needed for loop-up and loop-down. It does save =
loops and=20
          has a USB port. Quality is very good. The Delay is icing on =
the cake.=20
          </DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>Regards, Paul</DIV>
          <DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 9/30/10, Christo Jota <I>&lt;<A=20
          href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de"=20
          target=3D_blank>chris@christojota.de</A>&gt;</I></B> =
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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          style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From:=20
            Christo Jota &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de"=20
            target=3D_blank>chris@christojota.de</A>&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: =
Boomerang=20
            3 vs. Boss RC-50<BR>To: <A=20
            href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20
            =
target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A><BR>Date:=20
            Thursday, September 30, 2010, 6:07 AM<BR><BR>
            <DIV><BR>If you=B4re looking for a save and easy to handle=20
            looping-device with lots of options,<BR>like storing =
f.inst., I=20
            would recommend the RC 50. And it=B4s not expensive =
too.<BR>The thing=20
            is, you can rely on it. It works.<BR>If I need my =
synthie-sound=20
            loops to be more round, more smooth, I rather go for<BR>my =
RC 20=20
            Delay functions.<BR>But all in all the RC 50 is a clever =
apparature=20
            and a good compromise.<BR>Best,<BR>Christo<BR><A=20
            href=3D"http://www.christojota.de"=20
            =
target=3D_blank>www.christojota.de</A><BR><BR>---------------------------=
-----------------------<BR>From:=20
            "Hank &amp; Michelle" &lt;<A=20
            =
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            target=3D_blank>musdnc@mchsi.com</A>&gt;<BR>Sent: Wednesday, =
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            =
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            =
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<BR>&gt;=20
            I'm torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50.&nbsp; =
I've got=20
            a Boomerang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so =
I can=20
            move my looper to the end of my signal chain.&nbsp; The =
Boomerang=20
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Plus, but I=20
            really like the idea of being able to save my loops.<BR>&gt; =

            <BR>&gt; Any ideas/suggestions?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
Thanks,<BR>&gt;=20
            Hank=20
    =
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MK,

Seen all of these before, but sat and watched them all again.

Too much fun!

Thanks for sharing.

Best,

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some of you have suggested that i put my toons up on vimeo and being a 
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www.vimeo.com/klobuchar
give them a look see if you care to.....tanks.....:)m






  


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klobachur?.....who is he, a pretender for the crown?


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When the conversation turns to  great directors, one name will have to=20
be added to to the list of directing legends such  as  Bergman,=20
Kurosawa, Fellini , Hitchcock, Godard, and Herzog... ...........=C2=A0
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I find the RC-50 is complicated yet does a lot. =20
I find the 2-double peddles to be necessary.
I use it with a DR-5 drum machine(slave).
I don't like the  RC-50 drum sounds.
I like using the RC-50 as the tempo control.
I dial up a drum patch on the DR-5 and control it with the RC50.
I can route drums left on the DR-5=2C and instruments right to the RC-50.
With the amount of settings available=2C I can go from one setting=20
to another with pedals controlling the patch wheel.(multi/single=2Cfade=2Co=
utputs=2Cetc)(maybe 99 different options)
I use output to input as a feedback controlling repeats=2C which is a littl=
e different than the fade which only works
when the loop is shut off.
=20
I want the SL-20 now with it's midi tempo input.
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Capt
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I find the 2-double peddles to be necessary.<BR>
I use it with a DR-5 drum machine(slave).<BR>
I don't like the&nbsp=3B RC-50 drum sounds.<BR>
I like using the RC-50 as the tempo control.<BR>
I dial up a drum patch on the DR-5 and control it with the RC50.<BR>
I can route drums left on the DR-5=2C and instruments right to the RC-50.<B=
R>
With the amount of settings available=2C I can go from one setting <BR>
to another with pedals controlling the patch wheel.(multi/single=2Cfade=2Co=
utputs=2Cetc)(maybe 99 different options)<BR>
I use output to input as a feedback controlling repeats=2C which is a littl=
e different than the fade which only works<BR>
when the loop is shut off.<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
I want the SL-20 now with it's midi tempo input.<BR>
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> I dial up a drum patch on the DR-5 and control it with the RC50.

Probably a dumb question, but I'm not one to shy away from them.

Can I create a drum/bass loop (or any other kind of loop for that  
matter) on my computer (in Live, for example) and then stop/start it  
with the RC50?

Thanks,

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As far as I know you can only do that by saving the loop as wav and copying
it to the rc-50 as a phrase, so you can trigger it anytime

cheers,
andreas

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>
> I dial up a drum patch on the DR-5 and control it with the RC50.
>
>
> Probably a dumb question, but I'm not one to shy away from them.
>
> Can I create a drum/bass loop (or any other kind of loop for that matter)
> on my computer (in Live, for example) and then stop/start it with the RC50?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
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Hi guys!

I'm new to the looping world but I really want to explore it...

I play several percussion instruments=2C plus bass and guitar and do some v=
ocals also..

I'm interested in strict live looping as well as using computer loops of in=
dian drones and instruments and so on...

so my question is a huge one i think...hope that there's someone so kind to=
 explain me and give me advice.

It is convenient for me to have a laptop and a software for the loops or it=
's better a drum machine=2C another machine for indian music loops etc..? i=
f the laptop is better what kind (mac or not=2C what requirment and model=
=2C what audio interface and so on and what software?)

thinking I'll get the boss rc 50=2C what the more ocnvenient setup to have =
good sound and no feedback.levels problems on stage? plugging all my instru=
ments on a mixer and then in one of the rc-50 input..or separate mics with =
a preamp (or not) into the mic input and instruments with a mixer or d.i. i=
n the line input?

and how to use the stereo outputs?

lots of questions=2C sorry...please=2C please=2C  help me...:)

Andrea

Date: Fri=2C 1 Oct 2010 17:50:52 +0200
Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50
From: e.a.antoniou@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

As far as I know you can only do that by saving the loop as wav and copying=
 it to the rc-50 as a phrase=2C so you can trigger it anytime
cheers=2Candreas

On Fri=2C Oct 1=2C 2010 at 5:35 PM=2C Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@frontier.com> =
wrote:



I dial up a drum patch on the DR-5 and control it with the RC50.

Probably a dumb question=2C but I'm not one to shy away from them.

Can I create a drum/bass loop (or any other kind of loop for that matter) o=
n my computer (in Live=2C for example) and then stop/start it with the RC50=
?=20
Thanks=2C

Jeff
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Hi guys!<br><br>I'm new to the looping world but I really want to explore i=
t...<br><br>I play several percussion instruments=2C plus bass and guitar a=
nd do some vocals also..<br><br>I'm interested in strict live looping as we=
ll as using computer loops of indian drones and instruments and so on...<br=
><br>so my question is a huge one i think...hope that there's someone so ki=
nd to explain me and give me advice.<br><br>It is convenient for me to have=
 a laptop and a software for the loops or it's better a drum machine=2C ano=
ther machine for indian music loops etc..? if the laptop is better what kin=
d (mac or not=2C what requirment and model=2C what audio interface and so o=
n and what software?)<br><br>thinking I'll get the boss rc 50=2C what the m=
ore ocnvenient setup to have good sound and no feedback.levels problems on =
stage? plugging all my instruments on a mixer and then in one of the rc-50 =
input..or separate mics with a preamp (or not) into the mic input and instr=
uments with a mixer or d.i. in the line input?<br><br>and how to use the st=
ereo outputs?<br><br>lots of questions=2C sorry...please=2C please=2C&nbsp=
=3B help me...:)<br><br>Andrea<br><br><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Date: Fri=2C =
1 Oct 2010 17:50:52 +0200<br>Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50<br>Fro=
m: e.a.antoniou@gmail.com<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><br=
>As far as I know you can only do that by saving the loop as wav and copyin=
g it to the rc-50 as a phrase=2C so you can trigger it anytime<div><br></di=
v><div>cheers=2C</div><div>andreas<br><div><br><div class=3D"ecxgmail_quote=
">On Fri=2C Oct 1=2C 2010 at 5:35 PM=2C Jeff Shirkey <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
=3B<a href=3D"mailto:jcshirke@frontier.com">jcshirke@frontier.com</a>&gt=3B=
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div></span></blockquote><div><br></div></div>Probably a dumb question=2C bu=
t I'm not one to shy away from them.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Can I create a drum/bass loop (or any other kind of loo=
p for that matter) on my computer (in Live=2C for example) and then stop/st=
art it with the RC50?&nbsp=3B</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks=2C</div><div>=
<br></div>
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At 10:35 AM -0500 10/1/10, Jeff Shirkey wrote:
>>I dial up a drum patch on the DR-5 and control it with the RC50.
>
>Probably a dumb question, but I'm not one to shy away from them.
>
>Can I create a drum/bass loop (or any other kind of loop for that 
>matter) on my computer (in Live, for example) and then stop/start it 
>with the RC50?

Actually, what it sounds like you're asking is, "Does the RC50 send 
MIDI Machine Control Start & Stop commands?"

I don't know the answer to that, but you should be able to download 
the MIDI Implementation Chart (or look at it in the back of the 
manual), to check if the RC50 supports MMC.

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Hey all, I'm hitting the West Coast (of the US) again. Half of the shows 
are loopy ones, this time around. The rest are acoustic (this kinda 
thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SrUv9qh2kg).

Make sure to say hi if you come out!

I'll be keeping a tour diary here, as much as is practical. Last night's 
entry is now up. http://thegrandschlep.posterous.com

# Thursday, September 30, 2010

    John Natsoulas Gallery
    521 1st Street, Davis, CA
    tape loop improv set w/Ross Hammond, Kevin Corcoran & Wes Steed
    7 p.m.
    FREE

# Friday, October 1, 2010

    NorCal Noisefest
    Luna's Cafe
    1414 16th Street, Sacramento, CA
    solo tape loop set
    8:00 pm
    $10

# Sunday, October 3, 2010

    Nomad Cafe
    6500 Shattuck Ave. (at 65th St.), Oakland, CA
    11:30 a.m. - 1:00 pm (acoustic set)
    FREE

# Monday, October 4, 2010

    Luna's Cafe
    1414 16th Street, Sacramento, CA
    tape loop improv in duo w/Laurie Amat
    8:00 pm
    $5-10, sliding scale (free with Noisefest admission button)

# Tuesday, October 5, 2010

    Border's Books
    4980 Stockdale Highway, Bakersfield, CA
    7:00 pm (acoustic set)
    FREE

# Wednesday, October 6, 2010

    Amsterdam Cafe
    10905 Magnolia Blvd, North Hollywood, CA
    7:00 - 9:00 pm (acoustic set)
    FREE

# Friday, October 8, 2010

    Café Montmartre
    4362 Main, Vancouver, BC, CANADA
    9:00 pm (acoustic set)
    w/Nothofagus

# Thursday, October 14, 2010

    Gallery 1412
    1412 18th Ave. (@ Union), Seattle, WA
    tape loop improv in trio w/Greg Campbell & Tom Baker
    8 p.m.
    $5-15 sliding scale

# Sunday, October 17, 2010

    Loopfest!!!
    120 Pearl Alley, Santa Cruz, CA
    improvised tape loop set as part of Chinapainting
    5 p.m.



Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

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Hello fellows,
im still trying to solve the problem of taking my bulky FCB1010 to S.C im
overloaded with other things to take and want to reduce weight as much as
possible.
If anyody is performing at the festival with an FCB1010 with the UnO chip
installed and is willing to rent it out to me for a half an hour it would be
very kind of you
but please let me know as soon as possible,that im already fyling from
Germany to California next thursday
Im scheduled to play saturday at 18.30,but will be cruising to Santa Cruz to
check out the show on friday.So if i could borrow it then or early
on saturday that would give me enough time to program it for the show.
I would then just take my FCB1010 sysex file and istall it with my
laptop,then i can install yours back and give it back to you the way it was.
The Walker bros have always been very kind and let me use their gear in past
festivals
but they been smart enough to get rid of those evil monster FCBs;-)
Hopefully this will be the last time i have to deal with this since ive
ordered the new SoftStep midi foot controller!
Thanx a lot and i appreciate your help dearly
cheers
Luis

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<div>Hello fellows,</div>
<div>im still trying to solve the problem of taking my bulky FCB1010 to S.C=
 im overloaded with other things to take and want to reduce weight as much =
as possible.</div>
<div>If anyody is performing at the festival with an FCB1010 with=A0the UnO=
 chip installed and is willing to rent it out to me=A0for=A0a half an hour =
it would be very kind=A0of you</div>
<div>but=A0please let me know as soon as possible,that im already fyling fr=
om Germany to California next thursday</div>
<div>Im scheduled to play saturday at 18.30,but will be cruising to Santa C=
ruz=A0to check out the show on friday.So if i could borrow it then or early=
 on=A0saturday that would give me enough time to program it for the show.</=
div>

<div>I would then just=A0take my FCB1010 sysex file and istall it with my l=
aptop,then i can install yours back and give it back to you the way it was.=
</div>
<div>The Walker bros have always been very kind and=A0let me use their gear=
 in past festivals=A0</div>
<div>but they been smart enough to get rid of those evil monster FCBs;-)</d=
iv>
<div>Hopefully this will be the last time i have to deal with this since iv=
e ordered the new SoftStep midi foot controller!</div>
<div>Thanx a lot and i appreciate your help dearly</div>
<div>cheers</div>
<div>Luis</div>

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im tellin you Mr. klobachur your going all the way to stardom
straight to the top

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:09 PM, <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:

> klobachur?.....who is he, a pretender for the crown?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2010 2:28 am
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> When the conversation turns to  great directors, one name will have to be
> added to to the list of directing legends such  as  Bergman, Kurosawa,
> Fellini , Hitchcock, Godard, and Herzog... ...........
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<div>im tellin you Mr.=A0klobachur your going all the way to stardom</div>
<div>straight to the top<br><br></div>
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<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">klobachur?.....who is he, a pret=
ender for the crown?=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: William W=
alker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com" target=3D"_blank">billw=
alker@baymoon.com</a>&gt;<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-=
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Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2010 2:28 am<br>Subject: Re: klob-a-toons<br><br><br>When=
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lini , Hitchcock, Godard, and Herzog... ...........=A0<br>
=A0<br>Klobachur=A0<br>=A0<br><br>=A0<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br=
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I would say yes Louie, because (unles my softstep turns up in time- which I
doubt) I will be bringing mine with me, the only thing is that Im pretty
sure it doesnt have the UNO chip, as I never installed it myself, and
actually have no idea what it does... or I have a vague Idea... I would also
say that my button number 6 has gone a bit dicky, so I dont use that
anymore, can be safe for overdub or insert, but NOT record which it is for
me...

Its yours if you want it...

m



On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Louie Angulo
<louie.angulo@googlemail.com>wrote:

> Hello fellows,
> im still trying to solve the problem of taking my bulky FCB1010 to S.C im
> overloaded with other things to take and want to reduce weight as much as
> possible.
> If anyody is performing at the festival with an FCB1010 with the UnO chip
> installed and is willing to rent it out to me for a half an hour it would be
> very kind of you
> but please let me know as soon as possible,that im already fyling from
> Germany to California next thursday
> Im scheduled to play saturday at 18.30,but will be cruising to Santa
> Cruz to check out the show on friday.So if i could borrow it then or early
> on saturday that would give me enough time to program it for the show.
> I would then just take my FCB1010 sysex file and istall it with my
> laptop,then i can install yours back and give it back to you the way it was.
> The Walker bros have always been very kind and let me use their gear in
> past festivals
> but they been smart enough to get rid of those evil monster FCBs;-)
> Hopefully this will be the last time i have to deal with this since ive
> ordered the new SoftStep midi foot controller!
> Thanx a lot and i appreciate your help dearly
> cheers
> Luis
>



-- 
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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

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I would say yes Louie, because (unles my softstep turns up in time- which I=
 doubt) I will be bringing mine with me, the only thing is that Im pretty s=
ure it doesnt have the UNO chip, as I never installed it myself, and actual=
ly have no idea what it does... or I have a vague Idea... I would also say =
that my button number 6 has gone a bit dicky, so I dont use that anymore, c=
an be safe for overdub or insert, but NOT record which it is for me...<br>

<br>Its yours if you want it...<br><br>m<br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Louie Angulo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:louie.angulo@googlemail.com">louie.angulo@googlemail.com=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div>Hello fellow=
s,</div>
<div>im still trying to solve the problem of taking my bulky FCB1010 to S.C=
 im overloaded with other things to take and want to reduce weight as much =
as possible.</div>
<div>If anyody is performing at the festival with an FCB1010 with=A0the UnO=
 chip installed and is willing to rent it out to me=A0for=A0a half an hour =
it would be very kind=A0of you</div>
<div>but=A0please let me know as soon as possible,that im already fyling fr=
om Germany to California next thursday</div>
<div>Im scheduled to play saturday at 18.30,but will be cruising to Santa C=
ruz=A0to check out the show on friday.So if i could borrow it then or early=
 on=A0saturday that would give me enough time to program it for the show.</=
div>



<div>I would then just=A0take my FCB1010 sysex file and istall it with my l=
aptop,then i can install yours back and give it back to you the way it was.=
</div>
<div>The Walker bros have always been very kind and=A0let me use their gear=
 in past festivals=A0</div>
<div>but they been smart enough to get rid of those evil monster FCBs;-)</d=
iv>
<div>Hopefully this will be the last time i have to deal with this since iv=
e ordered the new SoftStep midi foot controller!</div>
<div>Thanx a lot and i appreciate your help dearly</div>
<div>cheers</div>
<div>Luis</div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D=
"http://www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markfrancomb=
e<br>

<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br>=
<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

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thanx Mark very kind of you man,i would really need to know if the UnO chip
is installed though which lets you use the Ripwerx software in order for me
to transfer all my programing
oh,oh your 6 has gone bad,thats my all mute button;-((
faulty 6...better watch it, it must b the number of the beast....

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:20 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>wrote:

> I would say yes Louie, because (unles my softstep turns up in time- which I
> doubt) I will be bringing mine with me, the only thing is that Im pretty
> sure it doesnt have the UNO chip, as I never installed it myself, and
> actually have no idea what it does... or I have a vague Idea... I would also
> say that my button number 6 has gone a bit dicky, so I dont use that
> anymore, can be safe for overdub or insert, but NOT record which it is for
> me...
>
> Its yours if you want it...
>
> m
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hello fellows,
>> im still trying to solve the problem of taking my bulky FCB1010 to S.C im
>> overloaded with other things to take and want to reduce weight as much as
>> possible.
>> If anyody is performing at the festival with an FCB1010 with the UnO chip
>> installed and is willing to rent it out to me for a half an hour it would be
>> very kind of you
>> but please let me know as soon as possible,that im already fyling from
>> Germany to California next thursday
>> Im scheduled to play saturday at 18.30,but will be cruising to Santa
>> Cruz to check out the show on friday.So if i could borrow it then or early
>> on saturday that would give me enough time to program it for the show.
>> I would then just take my FCB1010 sysex file and istall it with my
>> laptop,then i can install yours back and give it back to you the way it was.
>> The Walker bros have always been very kind and let me use their gear in
>> past festivals
>> but they been smart enough to get rid of those evil monster FCBs;-)
>> Hopefully this will be the last time i have to deal with this since ive
>> ordered the new SoftStep midi foot controller!
>> Thanx a lot and i appreciate your help dearly
>> cheers
>> Luis
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mark francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
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<div>thanx Mark very kind of you man,i would really need to know if the UnO=
 chip is installed though=A0which lets you use the Ripwerx software in orde=
r for me to transfer all my programing</div>
<div>oh,oh your 6 has gone bad,thats my all mute button;-((</div>
<div>faulty 6...better watch it,=A0it must b the number of the beast....<br=
><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:20 AM, mark francombe <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com">mark@markfra=
ncombe.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">I would say yes Louie, because (=
unles my softstep turns up in time- which I doubt) I will be bringing mine =
with me, the only thing is that Im pretty sure it doesnt have the UNO chip,=
 as I never installed it myself, and actually have no idea what it does... =
or I have a vague Idea... I would also say that my button number 6 has gone=
 a bit dicky, so I dont use that anymore, can be safe for overdub or insert=
, but NOT record which it is for me...<br>
<br>Its yours if you want it...<br><br>m=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Louie Angulo <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:louie.angulo@googlemail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">louie.angulo@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt 0=
pt 0pt 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>Hello fellows,</div>
<div>im still trying to solve the problem of taking my bulky FCB1010 to S.C=
 im overloaded with other things to take and want to reduce weight as much =
as possible.</div>
<div>If anyody is performing at the festival with an FCB1010 with=A0the UnO=
 chip installed and is willing to rent it out to me=A0for=A0a half an hour =
it would be very kind=A0of you</div>
<div>but=A0please let me know as soon as possible,that im already fyling fr=
om Germany to California next thursday</div>
<div>Im scheduled to play saturday at 18.30,but will be cruising to Santa C=
ruz=A0to check out the show on friday.So if i could borrow it then or early=
 on=A0saturday that would give me enough time to program it for the show.</=
div>

<div>I would then just=A0take my FCB1010 sysex file and istall it with my l=
aptop,then i can install yours back and give it back to you the way it was.=
</div>
<div>The Walker bros have always been very kind and=A0let me use their gear=
 in past festivals=A0</div>
<div>but they been smart enough to get rid of those evil monster FCBs;-)</d=
iv>
<div>Hopefully this will be the last time i have to deal with this since iv=
e ordered the new SoftStep midi foot controller!</div>
<div>Thanx a lot and i appreciate your help dearly</div>
<div>cheers</div>
<div>Luis</div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br></div></div><fo=
nt color=3D"#888888">-- <br>mark francombe<br><a href=3D"http://www.markfra=
ncombe.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"http=
://www.ordoabkhao.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>
twitter @markfrancombe<br><a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" target=3D=
"_blank">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.looop.no/=
" target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no</a><br></font></blockquote></div><b=
r>

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http://looperpedals.info/

once again Boss RC-50 is rated as the cream of the crop fellows!
chers
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<div>once again Boss RC-50 is rated as the cream of the crop fellows!</div>
<div>chers</div>
<div>Luis</div>

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>
> Actually, what it sounds like you're asking is, "Does the RC50 send  
> MIDI Machine Control Start & Stop commands?"
>
> I don't know the answer to that, but you should be able to download  
> the MIDI Implementation Chart (or look at it in the back of the  
> manual), to check if the RC50 supports MMC.
>

Thanks....I looked at the MIDI Implementation Chart, and I don't see  
anything about MMC. But it does say (under Real Time Messages) that FA  
(start) and FC (stop) are supported. But maybe that is for receiving  
only? There's no mention of sending.

But there is a whole section about using the RC-50 with other gear,  
including a whole section on MIDI, so who knows. I hate manuals...and  
this one looks especially daunting. I'm all about simplicity. Plug and  
play.

Jeff


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is, "Does the RC50 send MIDI Machine Control Start &amp; Stop =
commands?"<br><br>I don't know the answer to that, but you should be =
able to download the MIDI Implementation Chart (or look at it in the =
back of the manual), to check if the RC50 supports =
MMC.<br><br></div></blockquote><br></div><div>Thanks....I looked at the =
MIDI Implementation Chart, and I don't see anything about MMC. But it =
does say (under Real Time Messages) that FA (start) and FC (stop) are =
supported. But maybe that is for receiving only? There's no mention of =
sending.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>But there is a whole section =
about using the RC-50 with other gear, including a whole section on =
MIDI, so who knows. I hate manuals...and this one looks especially =
daunting. I'm all about simplicity. Plug and =
play.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Jeff</div><br></body></html>=

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Daryl,

I don't know if you're driving or flying or what.

But should you find yourself in need of a pit stop on Intersate 5 =20
between these 2 dates, you'd be welcome.

Happy touring.

Ted


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> # Wednesday, October 6, 2010
>
>   Amsterdam Cafe
>   10905 Magnolia Blvd, North Hollywood, CA
>   7:00 - 9:00 pm (acoustic set)
>   FREE
>
> # Friday, October 8, 2010
>
>   Caf=E9 Montmartre
>   4362 Main, Vancouver, BC, CANADA
>   9:00 pm (acoustic set)
>   w/Nothofagus

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I still have an FCB with  a somewhat hinky #5 switch (still woks but  
occasionally false triggers. No uno firmware, though.
  welcome to it though. Since you are both getting  soft steps why  
don't you guys arrange to pick them up in Berkeley ?  Or have them  
shipped to Santa Cruz? Or are they already in transet? I assume you  
are both using them with lap tops? I assume if you are wanting to use  
them as stand alone midi controllers for your EDP's  you also have   
the midi converter box ( action figure sold separately) on order? just  
double checking I would hate for you to get it all the way across the  
pond only to find out the soft step only has usb out. look at me, i've  
become a looping co-dependent.
  bill

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My RC-50 sends start and stop to my DR-5 drum machine along with tempo. Wor=
ks fine for me.=20
I can't answer for computor use drum stuff as I don't use them stuff. :-)
Capt
=20
=20
Date: Fri=2C 1 Oct 2010 10:35:41 -0500
From: jcshirke@frontier.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50





I dial up a drum patch on the DR-5 and control it with the RC50.


Probably a dumb question=2C but I'm not one to shy away from them.


Can I create a drum/bass loop (or any other kind of loop for that matter) o=
n my computer (in Live=2C for example) and then stop/start it with the RC50=
?=20


Thanks=2C


Jeff 		 	   		  =

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My RC-50 sends start and stop to my DR-5 drum machine along with tempo. Wor=
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Capt<BR>
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&nbsp=3B<BR>
Date: Fri=2C 1 Oct 2010 10:35:41 -0500<BR>From: jcshirke@frontier.com<BR>To=
: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss =
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yeah bro im using mine with laptop,but Keith has not answered as to when hes
going to ship me the softstep and midi box
thats another reason why i dont wanna go through all this hassle with the
behringer,so i think ill just borrow your M9 and loop what there is to be
looped with it:-)
thanx  man
Luis
(P.S. funny that your 5 is also acting up,my last FCB1010 2 yrs ago had the
5 messing up as well,this one is relative new)
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:53 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>wrote:

> I still have an FCB with  a somewhat hinky #5 switch (still woks but
> occasionally false triggers. No uno firmware, though.
>  welcome to it though. Since you are both getting  soft steps why don't you
> guys arrange to pick them up in Berkeley ?  Or have them shipped to Santa
> Cruz? Or are they already in transet? I assume you are both using them with
> lap tops? I assume if you are wanting to use them as stand alone midi
> controllers for your EDP's  you also have  the midi converter box ( action
> figure sold separately) on order? just double checking I would hate for you
> to get it all the way across the pond only to find out the soft step only
> has usb out. look at me, i've become a looping co-dependent.
>  bill
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<div>yeah bro im using mine with laptop,but Keith has not answered as to wh=
en hes going to ship me the softstep and midi box</div>
<div>thats another reason why i dont wanna go through all this hassle with =
the behringer,so i think ill just borrow your M9 and loop what there is to =
be looped with it:-)</div>
<div>thanx=A0 man<br>Luis</div>
<div>(P.S. funny that your 5 is also acting up,my last FCB1010 2 yrs ago=A0=
had the 5 messing up=A0as well,this one=A0is relative new)<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:53 AM, William Walker <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com">billwalker@b=
aymoon.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
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mewhat hinky #5 switch (still woks but occasionally false triggers. No uno =
firmware, though.<br>
=A0welcome to it though. Since you are both getting =A0soft steps why don&#=
39;t you guys arrange to pick them up in Berkeley ? =A0Or have them shipped=
 to Santa Cruz? Or are they already in transet? I assume you are both using=
 them with lap tops? I assume if you are wanting to use them as stand alone=
 midi controllers for your EDP&#39;s =A0you also have =A0the midi converter=
 box ( action figure sold separately) on order? just double checking I woul=
d hate for you to get it all the way across the pond only to find out the s=
oft step only has usb out. look at me, i&#39;ve become a looping co-depende=
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=A0bill<br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 6:31 AM, Louie Angulo
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> (P.S. funny that your 5 is also acting up,my last FCB1010 2 yrs ago=C2=A0=
had the
> 5 messing up=C2=A0as well,this one=C2=A0is relative new)

On my first FCB switch #1 fucked up first, on my second FCB switch #6
first took the dive and on my last FCB switch #1 started to
malfunction first. From day one all three suffered random false MIDI
events sent out now and then (the programmed event was sent out ok but
quite often there was this false trigger coming out as well). I am now
fully convinced that the Behringer FCB 1010 is a wonderfully cheap and
available product but of the most crappy quality. I have a more
portable Gordius LG2 now and it works better for me in a technical
sense and also better in the musical sense that it offers 12 instant
pads per bank, two more than the FCB. I found it expensive having to
buy a new FCB every third year and annoying never knowing when it will
start to self destruct.

Looking forward to see the M9 in action, Louie, and also to hear your
experience of working with it.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.perboysen.com
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I hear you Per,thats where the UnO chip rocks,i used to have all kinds of
weird things happening,the behringer spits out weird messages but since
installing the UnO all that got cleaned up plus the software is great and
you dont have to reboot the unit anytime you midi dump programing back and
forth.
It has served me good but im ready for the new softstep we will see!!
Luis

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 6:31 AM, Louie Angulo
> <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > (P.S. funny that your 5 is also acting up,my last FCB1010 2 yrs ago had
> the
> > 5 messing up as well,this one is relative new)
>
> On my first FCB switch #1 fucked up first, on my second FCB switch #6
> first took the dive and on my last FCB switch #1 started to
> malfunction first. From day one all three suffered random false MIDI
> events sent out now and then (the programmed event was sent out ok but
> quite often there was this false trigger coming out as well). I am now
> fully convinced that the Behringer FCB 1010 is a wonderfully cheap and
> available product but of the most crappy quality. I have a more
> portable Gordius LG2 now and it works better for me in a technical
> sense and also better in the musical sense that it offers 12 instant
> pads per bank, two more than the FCB. I found it expensive having to
> buy a new FCB every third year and annoying never knowing when it will
> start to self destruct.
>
> Looking forward to see the M9 in action, Louie, and also to hear your
> experience of working with it.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>

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I hear you Per,thats where the UnO chip rocks,i used to have all kinds of w=
eird things happening,the behringer spits out weird messages but since inst=
alling the UnO all that got cleaned up plus the software is great and you d=
ont have to reboot the unit anytime you midi dump programing back and forth=
.<br>
It has served me good but im ready for the new softstep we will see!!<br>Lu=
is<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Per B=
oysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboyse=
n@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">On Sat, Oct 2, 20=
10 at 6:31 AM, Louie Angulo<br>
<div class=3D"im">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:louie.angulo@googlemail.com">louie.=
angulo@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; (P.S. funny that your 5 is also acting up,my l=
ast FCB1010 2 yrs ago=A0had the<br>
&gt; 5 messing up=A0as well,this one=A0is relative new)<br>
<br>
</div>On my first FCB switch #1 fucked up first, on my second FCB switch #6=
<br>
first took the dive and on my last FCB switch #1 started to<br>
malfunction first. From day one all three suffered random false MIDI<br>
events sent out now and then (the programmed event was sent out ok but<br>
quite often there was this false trigger coming out as well). I am now<br>
fully convinced that the Behringer FCB 1010 is a wonderfully cheap and<br>
available product but of the most crappy quality. I have a more<br>
portable Gordius LG2 now and it works better for me in a technical<br>
sense and also better in the musical sense that it offers 12 instant<br>
pads per bank, two more than the FCB. I found it expensive having to<br>
buy a new FCB every third year and annoying never knowing when it will<br>
start to self destruct.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to see the M9 in action, Louie, and also to hear your<br>
experience of working with it.<br>
<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
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internet music hub<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br>

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Point 1:
The only thing I would say about all this, is that... I dont really know wh=
y
all of you are moaning so much about that FCB1010.. Im sure that We
(loopers) are hitting those buttons THOUSANDS of t=EDmes a week... My numbe=
r 6
has gone wrong admittedly, but that is after 4 years of looping.. its not
being used as multi-effects pedel, where maybe I press the 6 button once in
a while to turn on the chorus...

The poor old FCB is being driven like a Taxi.. would YOU buy a second hand
Taxi? I wouldnt!

Point 2:
 what ever happened to soldering irons? My GR30 guitar synth has almost the
same buttons, and Ive changed them ALL!!! its a bit fiddly, and a caring
manufacturer might think about that when they put in multiple solder points
that must be all DE-soldered to swap them out.

But I did it, and Im not a particularly experience electrician (as you all
know by now)...

Point 3:
There ARE some issues with the FCB, and most of us will agree that ITS FAR
TOO FUCKING BIG.. and THATS the reason I want a softstep, and have ordered
on.

Point4:
@Bill, twas a good idea to have the softstep sent to you before YK2, but I
think theres some setting up to be done, and I would rather take my time to
do that at home, where there no beer to be drunk with nice friendly
loopers...

Rambling poetic and amusing ending:
Having said all that, I might leave my FCB in Santa Cruz, vertically placed
in the sand, like a gravestone...

I will be sorry to see the back of it, a tear will be shed, its been like a
faithful old friend, but... well.. now (not unlike some real life old
friends) its over-stayed its welcome, left its socks all over the place, it=
s
beginning to smell, and looks like its never going to pay any rent... so no=
w
that a clean, new, more intelligent friend is coming over to stay for a
while...it can just fuck right off...


M




--=20
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
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Point 1:<br>The only thing I would say about all this, is that... I dont re=
ally know why all of you are moaning so much about that FCB1010.. Im sure t=
hat We (loopers) are hitting those buttons THOUSANDS of t=EDmes a week... M=
y number 6 has gone wrong admittedly, but that is after 4 years of looping.=
. its not being used as multi-effects pedel, where maybe I press the 6 butt=
on once in a while to turn on the chorus... <br>


<br>The poor old FCB is being driven like a Taxi.. would YOU buy a second h=
and Taxi? I wouldnt!<br><br>Point 2:<br>=A0what ever happened to soldering =
irons? My GR30 guitar synth has almost the same buttons, and Ive changed th=
em ALL!!! its a bit fiddly, and a caring manufacturer might think about tha=
t when they put in multiple solder points that must be all DE-soldered to s=
wap them out.<br>


<br>But I did it, and Im not a particularly experience electrician (as you =
all know by now)...<br><br>Point 3:<br>There ARE some issues with the FCB, =
and most of us will agree that ITS FAR TOO FUCKING BIG.. and THATS the reas=
on I want a softstep, and have ordered on. <br>


<br>Point4:<br>@Bill, twas a good idea to have the softstep sent to you bef=
ore YK2, but I think theres some setting up to be done, and I would rather =
take my time to do that at home, where there no beer to be drunk with nice =
friendly loopers... <br>


<br>Rambling poetic and amusing ending:<br>Having said all that, I might le=
ave my FCB in Santa Cruz, vertically placed in the sand, like a gravestone.=
.. <br><br>I will be sorry to see the back of it, a tear will be shed, its =
been like a faithful old friend, but... well.. now (not unlike some real li=
fe old friends) its over-stayed its welcome, left its socks all over the pl=
ace, its beginning to smell, and looks like its never going to pay any rent=
... so now that a clean, new, more intelligent friend is coming over to sta=
y for a while...it can just fuck right off... <br>


<br><br>M<br><br><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a href=
=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com" target=3D"_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</=
a><br><a href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com" target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkha=
o.com</a><br>

twitter @markfrancombe<br>
<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/=
user825094</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.looop.no" target=3D"_blank">http://=
www.looop.no</a><br>

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Hi, loopers! would be possible for Keith Mc Millen take some brand new 
Softsteps to the Fest in order to sell them?
I (But i think not only me) could be very interested on buyng one, I was in 
their first 100 list but with the trip to 
S.Cruz that i'm going ti do i didn't order it, I thought i could save 
transports and taxes.

Greetings from Italy

Massimo Liverani

>
 Since you are both getting  soft steps why  
>don't you guys arrange to pick them up in Berkeley ?  Or have them  
>shipped to Santa Cruz? Or are they already in transet? I assume you  
>are both using them with lap tops? I assume if you are wanting to use  
>them as stand alone midi controllers for your EDP's  you also have   
>the midi converter box ( action figure sold separately) on order? just  
>double checking I would hate for you to get it all the way across the  
>pond only to find out the soft step only has usb out. look at me, i've  
>become a looping co-dependent.
>  bill
>
>


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On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Rambling poetic and amusing ending:
> Having said all that, I might leave my FCB in Santa Cruz, vertically placed
> in the sand, like a gravestone...

In fact that is not too odd at all... Since it is about halloween in
US many people in Santa Cruz build similar kind of "gravestone
installations" in their gardens. I'm sure Bill and Nancy would love
having a true Francomb Halloween installation set up for free beside
the pool (the raccoon pool, that is). Let me know if you need help to
(sledge) hammer it down into the lawn.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub

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Friends,

I woke up this morning thinking:

although I hate musical competition, it might be interesting to balance =
the loopers contest a little.
many of us feel strange that art is categorized by the brand of =
equipment used, even more so, because the smartest looping artists =
usually do not use the Boss tools.
all the Boss contest contributions come up on youtube now and I have to =
gather them at youtube.com/livelooping in order to not behave as =
ignoring as Boss does, so I could open a playlist with contests and =
include the Boss and Y2K ones, or two separate playlists - we can =
discuss this here or on youtube or on Facebook...

I think we should keep it simple and friendly (rather not call it =
contest?):
each y2k player could point at one of his pieces which he thinks would =
have the most public success and a reasonable length (the HIT) and we =
would record those and show them either at the y2k site or on =
youtube.com/livelooping or both
and then have people vote on them or so and maybe rather select the 10 =
best instead of the 1 best...

I think its natural that some musicians to it "better" than others. =
there is no measure for that except for "taste" which is different for =
each listener, so I do not think we have to define any criteria or =
discuss about "what is quality" (if you are interested in this question, =
I recommend the book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintainance" by =
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Pirsig ) - but we can, its also =
interesting...

this may bring some new awareness to the festival itself
and spread better to the world what happens there
and the result may be more interesting than what Boss collected, at =
least more open... :-)

what do you think?
Matthias=

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">Friends,<div><br>I woke up this morning thinking:<br><br>although I =
hate musical competition, it might be interesting to balance the loopers =
contest a little.</div><div>many of us feel strange that art is =
categorized by the brand of equipment used, even more so, because the =
smartest looping artists usually do not use the Boss tools.<br>all the =
Boss contest contributions come up on youtube now and I have to gather =
them at <a =
href=3D"http://youtube.com/livelooping">youtube.com/livelooping</a> in =
order to not behave as ignoring as Boss does, so I could open a playlist =
with contests and include the&nbsp;Boss and Y2K ones, or two separate =
playlists - we can discuss this here or on youtube or on =
Facebook...</div><div><br></div><div>I think we should keep it simple =
and friendly (rather not call it contest?):<br>each y2k player could =
point at one of his pieces which he thinks would have the most public =
success and a reasonable length (the HIT) and we would record those and =
show them either at the y2k site or on <a =
href=3D"http://youtube.com/livelooping">youtube.com/livelooping</a> or =
both<br>and then have people vote on them or so and maybe rather select =
the 10 best instead of the 1 best...</div><div><br></div><div>I think =
its natural that some musicians to it "better" than others. there is no =
measure for that except for "taste" which is different for each =
listener, so I do not think we have to define any criteria or discuss =
about "what is quality" (if you are interested in this question, I =
recommend the book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintainance" =
by&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Pirsig">http://en.wikipedia=
.org/wiki/Robert_M._Pirsig</a>&nbsp;) - but we can, its also =
interesting...</div><div><br>this may bring some new awareness to the =
festival itself</div><div>and spread better to the world what happens =
there<br>and the result may be more interesting than what Boss =
collected, at least more open... :-)<br><br>what do you =
think?<br>Matthias</div></body></html>=

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How many FCB's will there be at Santa Cruz do you think?
Some sort of FCB structure might make an interesting temporary sculpture po=
ssibly suitable for a publicity grabbing newspaper article...
I would suggest a stonehenge type circle echoing=2C (sic) the theme of loop=
ing but that's probably cause there are stone circles around here. or possi=
bly a pentagram.
Anyway=2C Im sad not to be going to the last Santa Cruz festy myself - I'm =
suffering from the age old musicians disease of cripling poverty..
=20
All the best to you guys who are going :-(
=20
Peace
=20
G
=20
> Date: Sat=2C 2 Oct 2010 16:11:19 +0200
> Subject: Joke-ish OT (Re: questions for FCB1010 with UnO chip users at th=
e Santa Cruz Loop festival)
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> On Sat=2C Oct 2=2C 2010 at 2:31 PM=2C mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.=
com> wrote:
> > Rambling poetic and amusing ending:
> > Having said all that=2C I might leave my FCB in Santa Cruz=2C verticall=
y placed
> > in the sand=2C like a gravestone...
>=20
> In fact that is not too odd at all... Since it is about halloween in
> US many people in Santa Cruz build similar kind of "gravestone
> installations" in their gardens. I'm sure Bill and Nancy would love
> having a true Francomb Halloween installation set up for free beside
> the pool (the raccoon pool=2C that is). Let me know if you need help to
> (sledge) hammer it down into the lawn.
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
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How many&nbsp=3BFCB's will there be at Santa Cruz do you think?<BR>
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I would suggest a stonehenge type circle echoing=2C (sic) the theme of loop=
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why do all your emails get through my email filter (loopers folder (yahoo)), and 
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It gets quite annoying.




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From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 9:55:49 AM
Subject: RE: Joke-ish OT (Re: questions for FCB1010 with UnO chip users at the 
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  How many FCB's will there be at Santa Cruz do you think?
Some sort of FCB structure might make an interesting temporary sculpture 
possibly suitable for a publicity grabbing newspaper article...
I would suggest a stonehenge type circle echoing, (sic) the theme of looping but 
that's probably cause there are stone circles around here. or possibly a 
pentagram.
Anyway, Im sad not to be going to the last Santa Cruz festy myself - I'm 
suffering from the age old musicians disease of cripling poverty..
 
All the best to you guys who are going :-(
 
Peace
 
G
 
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:11:19 +0200
> Subject: Joke-ish OT (Re: questions for FCB1010 with UnO chip users at the 
>Santa Cruz Loop festival)
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> 
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> > Rambling poetic and amusing ending:
> > Having said all that, I might leave my FCB in Santa Cruz, vertically placed
> > in the sand, like a gravestone...
> 
> In fact that is not too odd at all... Since it is about halloween in
> US many people in Santa Cruz build similar kind of "gravestone
> installations" in their gardens. I'm sure Bill and Nancy would love
> having a true Francomb Halloween installation set up for free beside
> the pool (the raccoon pool, that is). Let me know if you need help to
> (sledge) hammer it down into the lawn.
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:tahoma,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>why do all your emails get through my email filter (loopers folder (yahoo)), and end up o my main page ?<br>It gets quite annoying.<br></div><div style="font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Gareth Whittock &lt;buddhamachine@live.co.uk&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sat, October 2, 2010 9:55:49 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: Joke-ish OT (Re: questions for FCB1010 with UnO chip users at the Santa Cruz Loop festival)<br></font><br>
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How many&nbsp;FCB's will there be at Santa Cruz do you think?<br>
Some sort of&nbsp;FCB structure might make an interesting&nbsp;temporary sculpture possibly suitable for a publicity grabbing newspaper article...<br>
I would suggest a stonehenge type circle echoing, (sic) the theme of looping but that's probably cause there are stone circles around here. or possibly a pentagram.<br>
Anyway, Im sad not to be going to the last&nbsp;Santa Cruz festy myself - I'm suffering from the age old musicians disease of cripling poverty..<br>
&nbsp;<br>
All the best to you guys who are going :-(<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Peace<br>
&nbsp;<br>
G<br>&nbsp;<br>
&gt; Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:11:19 +0200<br>&gt; Subject: Joke-ish OT (Re: questions for FCB1010 with UnO chip users at the Santa Cruz Loop festival)<br>&gt; From: perboysen@gmail.com<br>&gt; To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>&gt; <br>&gt; On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, mark francombe &lt;mark@markfrancombe.com&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Rambling poetic and amusing ending:<br>&gt; &gt; Having said all that, I might leave my FCB in Santa Cruz, vertically placed<br>&gt; &gt; in the sand, like a gravestone...<br>&gt; <br>&gt; In fact that is not too odd at all... Since it is about halloween in<br>&gt; US many people in Santa Cruz build similar kind of "gravestone<br>&gt; installations" in their gardens. I'm sure Bill and Nancy would love<br>&gt; having a true Francomb Halloween installation set up for free beside<br>&gt; the pool (the raccoon pool, that is). Let me know if you need help to<br>&gt; (sledge) hammer it down into the lawn.<br>&gt;
 <br>&gt; Greetings from Sweden<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Per Boysen<br>&gt; <a target="_blank" href="http://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br>&gt; <a target="_blank" href="http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboysen.com</a><br>&gt; <a target="_blank" href="http://www.looproom.com">www.looproom.com</a> internet music hub<br>&gt; <br> 		 	   		  <meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="on"></div></div>
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I like your idea  Matthias,  Like you I'm not a big fan of competition  
in music though i enjoy it in baseball!
  Bill

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You guys are getting me very emotional with all of this...
I would suggest at least all dessing properly before the burning ritual and
inviting Behringer
we can also use middle ages torture methods
(Per,Mark wanna be the Hangman?)
here is a guide take your pic,i dont mind using any of them

http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/middle-ages-torture.htm

I would no doubt cry watching such a scene,but i think is time to call
behringers attention
every looper is invited to the ceremony
Michael Klobuchar would you dare to make a video documentary? you are a
brilliant vidoe producer!
Luis






On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> wrote:
> > Rambling poetic and amusing ending:
> > Having said all that, I might leave my FCB in Santa Cruz, vertically
> placed
> > in the sand, like a gravestone...
>
> In fact that is not too odd at all... Since it is about halloween in
> US many people in Santa Cruz build similar kind of "gravestone
> installations" in their gardens. I'm sure Bill and Nancy would love
> having a true Francomb Halloween installation set up for free beside
> the pool (the raccoon pool, that is). Let me know if you need help to
> (sledge) hammer it down into the lawn.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>

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<div>You guys are getting me very emotional with all of this...</div>
<div>I would suggest at least=A0all dessing=A0properly before the burning r=
itual and inviting Behringer</div>
<div>we can also use middle ages torture methods</div>
<div>(Per,Mark wanna be the=A0Hangman?)</div>
<div>here is a guide take your pic,i dont mind using any of them</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/middle-ages-torture.htm">http=
://www.middle-ages.org.uk/middle-ages-torture.htm</a></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I would no doubt cry watching such a scene,but i think is time to call=
 behringers attention</div>
<div>every looper is invited to the ceremony</div>
<div>Michael Klobuchar would you dare to make a video documentary? you are =
a brilliant vidoe producer!</div>
<div>Luis</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div>
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<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
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ombe.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Rambling poetic and amusing ending:<br>&gt; Having said all that, I mi=
ght leave my FCB in Santa Cruz, vertically placed<br>&gt; in the sand, like=
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bout halloween in<br>
US many people in Santa Cruz build similar kind of &quot;gravestone<br>inst=
allations&quot; in their gardens. I&#39;m sure Bill and Nancy would love<br=
>having a true Francomb Halloween installation set up for free beside<br>
the pool (the raccoon pool, that is). Let me know if you need help to<br>(s=
ledge) hammer it down into the lawn.<br><br>Greetings from Sweden<br><font =
color=3D"#888888"><br>Per Boysen<br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se/" targe=
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<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</=
a><br><a href=3D"http://www.looproom.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.looproom.c=
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Personally, I'd love to see a pyre of FCB1010s. I'd contribute mine, but
happily I sold it long ago.

We could call it "burning loop" or something.

: )

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Art Simon
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Personally, I&#39;d love to see a pyre of FCB1010s. I&#39;d contribute mine=
, but happily I sold it long ago.<br><br>We could call it &quot;burning loo=
p&quot; or something.<br><br>: )<br><br>-- <br>Art Simon<br><a href=3D"mail=
to:simart@gmail.com">simart@gmail.com</a><br>
myspace [dot] com/artsimon<br>

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No idea. Pearhaps you need to check your filter out.
Peace
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Date: Sat=2C 2 Oct 2010 10:00:22 -0700
From: redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com
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why do all your emails get through my email filter (loopers folder (yahoo))=
=2C and end up o my main page ?
It gets quite annoying.





From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sat=2C October 2=2C 2010 9:55:49 AM
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How many FCB's will there be at Santa Cruz do you think?
Some sort of FCB structure might make an interesting temporary sculpture po=
ssibly suitable for a publicity grabbing newspaper article...
I would suggest a stonehenge type circle echoing=2C (sic) the theme of loop=
ing but that's probably cause there are stone circles around here. or possi=
bly a pentagram.
Anyway=2C Im sad not to be going to the last Santa Cruz festy myself - I'm =
suffering from the age old musicians disease of cripling poverty..
=20
All the best to you guys who are going :-(
=20
Peace
=20
G
=20
> Date: Sat=2C 2 Oct 2010 16:11:19 +0200
> Subject: Joke-ish OT (Re: questions for FCB1010 with UnO chip users at th=
e Santa Cruz Loop festival)
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> On Sat=2C Oct 2=2C 2010 at 2:31 PM=2C mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.=
com> wrote:
> > Rambling poetic and amusing ending:
> > Having said all that=2C I might leave my FCB in Santa Cruz=2C verticall=
y placed
> > in the sand=2C like a gravestone...
>=20
> In fact that is not too odd at all... Since it is about halloween in
> US many people in Santa Cruz build similar kind of "gravestone
> installations" in their gardens. I'm sure Bill and Nancy would love
> having a true Francomb Halloween installation set up for free beside
> the pool (the raccoon pool=2C that is). Let me know if you need help to
> (sledge) hammer it down into the lawn.
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
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g<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>

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Yes,the rack one would also be interesting
http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/the-rack-torture.htm

now i should also mention that this tortures should only apply to the
original malfunctioning midi spitter and button faulty FCB1010s
without the UnO Chip
I dont think Xavier the creator of the UnO chip from Gordius who has saved
us all lots of headaches would be too happy seeing something like this...
Luis

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:

> Personally, I'd love to see a pyre of FCB1010s. I'd contribute mine, but
> happily I sold it long ago.
>
> We could call it "burning loop" or something.
>
> : )
>
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<div>Yes,the rack one would also be interesting</div>
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<div>now i should also mention that this=A0tortures should only apply=A0to =
the original malfunctioning midi spitter and button faulty FCB1010s</div>
<div>without the UnO Chip</div>
<div>I dont think Xavier the creator of the UnO=A0chip=A0from Gordius=A0who=
 has saved=A0 us all lots of headaches would be too happy seeing something =
like this...</div>
<div>Luis<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Art Simon <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simart@gmail.com">simart@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>
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.<br>
<br>We could call it &quot;burning loop&quot; or something.<br><br>: )<br><=
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10,000+ in my loopers folder. 
I'll need to modify it I guess. 
...thanks for responding.

Hey, anybody want a RDS 3600 Digitech delay? works except for a cryptic readout. 
??
I upgraded all the electrolytics, and I think I replaced one (1) cap's polarity 
wrong....therefor the cryptic display. I am sure it is a quick solder job to fix 
it. 

I have no schematic. It could be one of four caps...I forgot to mark those four 
caps' polarity before I swapped them with better/newer caps......darnnit.
Up to 3.6 seconds delay, with more upon tweaking.
If you have a schematic, I will repair it free.
Sell "as is"...$35
Sell fixed.....$65 (if I can fix the display.)
Besides the display, it works and sounds perfectly right now.
=R=

see my ebay listings for additional items.....
"midiochre" (ebay name)




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From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 1:01:56 PM
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  No idea. Pearhaps you need to check your filter out.
Peace
 
g
 
________________________________
 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:00:22 -0700
From: redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Joke-ish OT (Re: questions for FCB1010 with UnO chip users at the 
Santa Cruz Loop festival)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

 
why do all your emails get through my email filter (loopers folder (yahoo)), and 
end up o my main page ?
It gets quite annoying.




________________________________
 From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 9:55:49 AM
Subject: RE: Joke-ish OT (Re: questions for FCB1010 with UnO chip users at the 
Santa Cruz Loop festival)

 How many FCB's will there be at Santa Cruz do you think?
Some sort of FCB structure might make an interesting temporary sculpture 
possibly suitable for a publicity grabbing newspaper article...
I would suggest a stonehenge type circle echoing, (sic) the theme of looping but 
that's probably cause there are stone circles around here. or possibly a 
pentagram.
Anyway, Im sad not to be going to the last Santa Cruz festy myself - I'm 
suffering from the age old musicians disease of cripling poverty..
 
All the best to you guys who are going :-(
 
Peace
 
G
 
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:11:19 +0200
> Subject: Joke-ish OT (Re: questions for FCB1010 with UnO chip users at the 
>Santa Cruz Loop festival)
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> 
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> > Rambling poetic and amusing ending:
> > Having said all that, I might leave my FCB in Santa Cruz, vertically placed
> > in the sand, like a gravestone...
> 
> In fact that is not too odd at all... Since it is about halloween in
> US many people in Santa Cruz build similar kind of "gravestone
> installations" in their gardens. I'm sure Bill and Nancy would love
> having a true Francomb Halloween installation set up for free beside
> the pool (the raccoon pool, that is). Let me know if you need help to
> (sledge) hammer it down into the lawn.
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:tahoma,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>10,000+ in my loopers folder. <br>I'll need to modify it I guess. <br>...thanks for responding.<br><br>Hey, anybody want a RDS 3600 Digitech delay? works except for a cryptic readout. ??<br>I upgraded all the electrolytics, and I think I replaced one (1) cap's polarity wrong....therefor the cryptic display. I am sure it is a quick solder job to fix it. <br>I have no schematic. It could be one of four caps...I forgot to mark those four caps' polarity before I swapped them with better/newer caps......darnnit.<br>Up to 3.6 seconds delay, with more upon tweaking.<br>If you have a schematic, I will repair it free.<br>Sell "as is"...$35<br>Sell fixed.....$65 (if I can fix the display.)<br>Besides the display, it works and sounds perfectly right now.<br>=R=<br><br>see my ebay listings for additional
 items.....<br>"midiochre" (ebay name)<br></div><div style="font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Gareth Whittock &lt;buddhamachine@live.co.uk&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sat, October 2, 2010 1:01:56 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: Joke-ish OT (Re: questions for FCB1010 with UnO chip users at the Santa Cruz Loop festival)<br></font><br>
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How many&nbsp;FCB's will there be at Santa Cruz do you think?<br>Some sort of&nbsp;FCB structure might make an interesting&nbsp;temporary sculpture possibly suitable for a publicity grabbing newspaper article...<br>I would suggest a stonehenge type circle echoing, (sic) the theme of looping but that's probably cause there are stone circles around here. or possibly a pentagram.<br>Anyway, Im sad not to be going to the last&nbsp;Santa Cruz festy myself - I'm suffering from the age old musicians disease of cripling poverty..<br>&nbsp;<br>All the best to you guys who are going :-(<br>&nbsp;<br>Peace<br>&nbsp;<br>G<br>&nbsp;<br>&gt; Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:11:19 +0200<br>&gt; Subject: Joke-ish OT (Re: questions for FCB1010 with UnO chip users at the Santa Cruz Loop festival)<br>&gt; From: perboysen@gmail.com<br>&gt; To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>&gt; <br>&gt; On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, mark francombe &lt;mark@markfrancombe.com&gt;
 wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Rambling poetic and amusing ending:<br>&gt; &gt; Having said all that, I might leave my FCB in Santa Cruz, vertically placed<br>&gt; &gt; in the sand, like a gravestone...<br>&gt; <br>&gt; In fact that is not too odd at all... Since it is about halloween in<br>&gt; US many people in Santa Cruz build similar kind of "gravestone<br>&gt; installations" in their gardens. I'm sure Bill and Nancy would love<br>&gt; having a true Francomb Halloween installation set up for free beside<br>&gt; the pool (the raccoon pool, that is). Let me know if you need help to<br>&gt; (sledge) hammer it down into the lawn.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Greetings from Sweden<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Per Boysen<br>&gt; <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.boysen.se/">www.boysen.se</a><br>&gt; <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.perboysen.com/">www.perboysen.com</a><br>&gt; <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Louie Angulo
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> now i should also mention that this=C2=A0tortures should only apply=C2=A0=
to the
> original malfunctioning midi spitter and button faulty FCB1010s
> without the UnO Chip

In a locked closet I still got the three evil boxes that tortured my
musicianship for almost a decade. If the Bashment Board refunds me the
over weight fee I can bring them for their righteous punishment in
Santa Cruz. May Bad Boxes Burn!

/ Per
- FCB Bashment Quality Assurance Assistant

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I think that if you guys really wanted to do something scary for  
Halloween,  after you torture Your FCB 1010's, you box them up and  
Send them in a giant box to Behringer  marked  Planned Obsolescence.
Bill

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ja,ja,ja,ja,ja!!!!!!!

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:20 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>wrote:

> I think that if you guys really wanted to do something scary for Halloween,
>  after you torture Your FCB 1010's, you box them up and Send them in a giant
> box to Behringer  marked  Planned Obsolescence.
> Bill
>
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ja,ja,ja,ja,ja!!!!!!!<br><br>
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Hi Gang,
after messing around with my RME trying to assign all inputs to a single
port so that you can use all channels of the soundcard and loop them in any
track in mobius to avoid using a mixer Jeff finally helped me out to
configure it and i thought i share it with all of you RME users.There were
many suggestions of using other software like bidule but ive always used
mobius as a stand alone and wanted to keep it that way.

>  on the manual its on page 78, RME calls this "loopback mode".
>
> for example lets say you want to use the 2 front mic inputs and the other 2
> instrument inputs of your RME FW400
>


>  first you would just route inputs 1&2 and 2&3 to output 1&2 down below on
> the correspondent track strip.
> Then you would control-click the third row (AN1,AN2) track strips to turn
> them orange.
>
     Mobius port 1 should then receive the combination of the four RME
inputs instead of just 1&2.

>  At first i had the problem of everything including the loop playback
> getting recorded into an empty track so be sure that in the total mix window
> the input rows have to be up,the playback row all the way down,and the
> output row all the way up.
> RME is brilliant but i find the total mix and matrix quite confusing
> soemtimes, perhaps because of the way they are labeled.
> Hope i can save you some headaches;-)
>


>  thanx a million Jeff !
> cheers
> Luis
>

>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Louie Angulo [louie.angulo@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, October 01, 2010 5:55 PM
> *To:* Jeff Larson
>
> *Subject:* help assigning RME audio outputs to Mobius ports
>
>    Hi Jeff,
> for the life of me ive tried everything and just dont seem to be able to
> route all inputs to a single stereo output so that mobius recognises it.Im
> trying to route all 4 inputs on the front panel of my RME400 to outputs
> 1+2,but i only get signal from inputs 1+2
> I know that i could assign inputs 3+4 under track setup in mobius,but i
> dont like this because i want to be able to freely loop everything in any
> track i want.
> If you would be so kind to look at the manual and confirm to me if i should
> stop trying using mobius as a stand alone and use it only as a plugin i
> would appreciate it.I thinkit would be on pg. 65
> This is one of the reasons i bought this soundcard,it said everywhere that
> all outputs and inputs could be routed as desired without using any x tra
> software but i see that perhaps this is not the case.
> Or is the isse more with mobius?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>wrote:
>
>>  I'm not familiar with the RME but it looks a lot like the MOTU
>> Ultralite.
>>
>> The Ultralite has a built-in mixer that you can control from the front
>>
>> panel as well as a software virtual mixer.  Using this mixer you can route
>>
>> any inputs to any outputs, RME probably has the same thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you can't do this in the hardware, then you'll have to mix them
>>
>> in software.  This will require running Mobius as a VST plugin,
>>
>> then mixing in the host.  For Bidule you would just connect
>>
>> input pins 1 and 3 from the RME to Mobius pin 1 and RME pins
>>
>> 2 and 4 to Moibus pin 2.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Louie Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@googlemail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:24 AM
>> *To:* Loopers Delight
>> *Subject:* help assigning RME audio outputs to Mobius ports
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi folks,
>> I recently bought the RME FW400 and im having problems assigning ports.
>> I have on my RME mics plugged into channels 1,2 and stereo guitar signal
>> into 3,4,
>> i only hear the output of the mics but not the guitars.
>> In mobius i would like to have them all assigned to ports 1,2 to be able
>> to record in any track i want
>> is this possible or how do you guys do this?
>> thanx
>> Luis
>>
>
>
>

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Hi Gang,</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">after messing around with my RME trying to assig=
n all inputs to a single port so that you can use all channels of the sound=
card and loop them in any track in mobius to avoid using a mixer Jeff final=
ly helped me out to configure it and i thought i share it with all of you R=
ME users.There were many suggestions of using other software like bidule bu=
t ive always used mobius as a stand alone and wanted to keep it that way.<b=
r>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#000000" size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">on the =
manual its on page 78, RME calls this &quot;loopback mode&quot;.=A0 </font>=
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"tahoma"></font>=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"tahoma">for example lets say you =
want to use the 2 front mic inputs and the other 2 instrument inputs of you=
r RME FW400</font></div></div></blockquote>
<div>=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"tahoma">first you would just rout=
e inputs 1&amp;2 and 2&amp;3 to output 1&amp;2 down below on the correspond=
ent=A0track strip.</font></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"tahoma">Then you would control-cl=
ick the third row=A0(AN1,AN2) track strips to turn them orange.</font></div=
></div></blockquote>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"tahoma">=A0=A0=A0 Mobius port 1 s=
hould then receive the combination of the four RME inputs instead </font><f=
ont size=3D"2" face=3D"tahoma">of just 1&amp;2.=A0</font></div></div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">At first i had the problem of everything including the loo=
p playback getting recorded into an empty track so be sure that in the tota=
l mix=A0window the input rows have to be up,the playback row all the way do=
wn,and the output row all the way up.<br>
RME is brilliant but i find the total mix and matrix quite confusing soemti=
mes,=A0perhaps because of the way they are labeled.<br>Hope i can save you =
some headaches;-)</div></div></blockquote>
<div>=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">thanx a million Jeff !<br>cheers<br>Luis</div></div></bloc=
kquote>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"tahoma">=A0</font></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"tahoma"></font>=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"tahoma"></font>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"DIRECTION: ltr">
<hr>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Louie Angulo [<a href=3D"mail=
to:louie.angulo@googlemail.com" target=3D"_blank">louie.angulo@googlemail.c=
om</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 01, 2010 5:55 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jeff=
 Larson=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><b>Subject:</b> help assigning RME audio outputs to M=
obius ports<br></div></div></font><br></div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5">
<div></div>
<div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Hi Jeff,<br>for the life of me ive tried everyth=
ing and just dont seem to be able to route all inputs to a single stereo ou=
tput so that mobius recognises it.Im trying to route all 4 inputs on the fr=
ont panel of my RME400 to outputs 1+2,but i only get signal from inputs 1+2=
<br>
I know that i could assign inputs 3+4 under track setup in mobius,but i don=
t like this because i want to be able to freely loop everything in any trac=
k i want.<br>If you would be so kind to look at the manual and confirm to m=
e if i should stop trying using mobius as a stand alone and use it only as =
a plugin i would appreciate it.I thinkit would be on pg. 65<br>
This is one of the reasons i bought this soundcard,it said everywhere that =
all outputs and inputs could be routed as desired without using any x tra s=
oftware=A0but i see that perhaps this is not the case.<br>Or is the=A0isse =
more with mobius?=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Jeff Larson <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com" target=3D"_=
blank">jeff.larson@sailpoint.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt 0=
pt 0pt 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11p=
t">I&#39;m not familiar with the RME but it looks a lot like the MOTU Ultra=
lite.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11p=
t">The Ultralite has a built-in mixer that you can control from the front</=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11p=
t">panel as well as a software virtual mixer.=A0 Using this mixer you can r=
oute</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11p=
t">any inputs to any outputs, RME probably has the same thing.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11p=
t"></span>=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11p=
t">If you can&#39;t do this in the hardware, then you&#39;ll have to mix th=
em</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11p=
t">in software.=A0 This will require running Mobius as a VST plugin,</span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11p=
t">then mixing in the host.=A0 For Bidule you would just connect</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11p=
t">input pins 1 and 3 from the RME to Mobius pin 1 and RME pins</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11p=
t">2 and 4 to Moibus pin 2.=A0=A0=A0 </span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11p=
t"></span>=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11p=
t">Jeff</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11p=
t"></span>=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11p=
t"></span>=A0</p>
<div style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING=
-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: 1pt solid;=
 BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><=
span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Louie Angulo [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:loui=
e.angulo@googlemail.com" target=3D"_blank">louie.angulo@googlemail.com</a>]=
 <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> Loopers Del=
ight<br><b>Subject:</b> help assigning RME audio outputs to Mobius ports</s=
pan></p></div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi folks,<br>I recently bought the RME FW400 and im =
having problems assigning ports.<br>I have on my RME mics plugged into chan=
nels 1,2 and stereo guitar signal into 3,4,<br>i only hear the output of th=
e mics but not the guitars.<br>
In mobius i would like to have them all assigned to ports 1,2 to be able to=
 record in any track i want<br>is this possible or how do you guys do this?=
<br>thanx<br>Luis</p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
</div></div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br>

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Very "Here Come the Warm Jets"-ish ...

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/



On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:42 AM,  <fh@flatheadband.com> wrote:
> preview track, 2 forms of anger:
>
> http://brian-eno.net/listen/
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: OT: Brian Eno "coming soon on Warp"
> From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, August 02, 2010 1:21 pm
> To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>
> Since we just discussed his methods for applied creativity in music
> I'd like to share this link that just dropped into my inbox:
>
> http://warp.net/records/brian-eno
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
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I Like it, Matthias !!!

Lele Bassi


From: Matthias Grob=20
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 6:28 PM
To: Loop List=20
Subject: Y2k hits collection


Friends,=20

I woke up this morning thinking:

although I hate musical competition, it might be interesting to balance =
the loopers contest a little.
many of us feel strange that art is categorized by the brand of =
equipment used, even more so, because the smartest looping artists =
usually do not use the Boss tools.
all the Boss contest contributions come up on youtube now and I have to =
gather them at youtube.com/livelooping in order to not behave as =
ignoring as Boss does, so I could open a playlist with contests and =
include the Boss and Y2K ones, or two separate playlists - we can =
discuss this here or on youtube or on Facebook...


I think we should keep it simple and friendly (rather not call it =
contest?):
each y2k player could point at one of his pieces which he thinks would =
have the most public success and a reasonable length (the HIT) and we =
would record those and show them either at the y2k site or on =
youtube.com/livelooping or both
and then have people vote on them or so and maybe rather select the 10 =
best instead of the 1 best...


I think its natural that some musicians to it "better" than others. =
there is no measure for that except for "taste" which is different for =
each listener, so I do not think we have to define any criteria or =
discuss about "what is quality" (if you are interested in this question, =
I recommend the book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintainance" by =
http://en.wikipediaorg/wiki/Robert_M._Pirsig ) - but we can, its also =
interesting...

this may bring some new awareness to the festival itself
and spread better to the world what happens there
and the result may be more interesting than what Boss collected, at =
least more open... :-)

what do you think?
Matthias


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  Interesting track......................

but $99.99?

Brian Eno is becoming the Apple of electronic artists.

Expensive, prestigious, elitist music for upper middle class and wealthy 
people.

Save your money and invest in artists like Bola, Oval, Trente Moller or 
my next CD
or,   fuck it...................save your money and produce your own all 
original
electronic CD.

Brian Eno has been a constant source of inspiration to me throughout
my artistic life but this elitist pricing just makes me spiney.

rick walker




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?Actually I was reminded of "Neroli", the first Eno album I listened to and 
said to myself, "I can already do this."  Yes, I've an ego the size of 
Montana, but I think the above is a valid assessment.

--------------------------------------------------
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>
>  Interesting track......................
>
> but $99.99?
>
> Brian Eno is becoming the Apple of electronic artists.
>
> Expensive, prestigious, elitist music for upper middle class and wealthy 
> people.
>
> Save your money and invest in artists like Bola, Oval, Trente Moller or my 
> next CD
> or,   fuck it...................save your money and produce your own all 
> original
> electronic CD.
>
> Brian Eno has been a constant source of inspiration to me throughout
> my artistic life but this elitist pricing just makes me spiney.
>
> rick walker
>
>
> 

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Since I am tuning in late, maybe I or someone else missed something  
here with this thread, but the pricey item is only for the special  
very limited collectors screen print edition which,
in the long history of various music releases, is certainly not  
unheard of. There is also a "standard" CD release of the new Eno  
album that is only $14.99 (+ S&H) and currently is
a "pre-order" item from Bleep.com, which I've already done,  
natch. :-)  There will also be a download available for purchase, as  
well. I'm looking *very forward* to hearing this...!

Cheers,
Rev. Fever
Portland,OR
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever


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>
>>
>>  Interesting track......................
>>
>> but $99.99?
>>
>> Brian Eno is becoming the Apple of electronic artists.
>>
>> Expensive, prestigious, elitist music for upper middle class and  
>> wealthy people.
>>
>> Save your money and invest in artists like Bola, Oval, Trente  
>> Moller or my next CD
>> or,   fuck it...................save your money and produce your  
>> own all original
>> electronic CD.
>>
>> Brian Eno has been a constant source of inspiration to me throughout
>> my artistic life but this elitist pricing just makes me spiney.
>>
>> rick walker
>>
>>
>

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<<I would no doubt cry watching such a scene,but i think is time to=20
call behringers attention
every looper is invited to the ceremony
Michael Klobuchar would you dare to make a video documentary? you are a=20
brilliant vidoe producer!
Luis>>

luis.....i wouldn't use the word "brilliant", who am i kidding, sure i=20
would!!!!!.....tanks!.....
i don't come cheap, a beer, cheap gin, a donut, i'm yours.....:)m=C2=A0
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Hi to all, and especially European colleagues,

I know that many of you are dreaming of Santa Cruz in October right now, but
I'd like to distract you for one moment, if I might.

My circumstances have suddenly changed in a way that leaves me with a rare
opportunity to travel on my own for a while (this is kind of a "if you're
handed a bunch of lemons, make lemonade" situation for me). I have never
seen much of Europe, and would love to meet some of you, play with you and
see your towns. I expect to be ready to travel around the beginning of
November and have not yet decided how long I will be "on the road."

If you would be amenable to having me stay with you for a few days, please
contact me off-list and let me know. Also, if you'd just like to get
together if I pass your way, but can't host, I'd still like to hear from
you.

Thanks,
Warren

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Hi to all, and especially European colleagues,
<div><br></div><div>I know that many of you are dreaming of Santa Cruz in O=
ctober right now, but I&#39;d like to distract you for one moment, if I mig=
ht.</div><div><br></div><div>My circumstances have suddenly changed in a wa=
y that leaves me with a rare opportunity to travel on my own for a while (t=
his is kind of a &quot;if you&#39;re handed a bunch of lemons, make lemonad=
e&quot; situation for me). I have never seen much of Europe, and would love=
 to meet some of you, play with you and see your towns. I expect to be read=
y to travel around the beginning of November and have not yet decided how l=
ong I will be &quot;on the road.&quot;</div>
<div><br></div><div>If you would be amenable to having me stay with you for=
 a few days, please contact me off-list and let me know. Also, if you&#39;d=
 just like to get together if I pass your way, but can&#39;t host, I&#39;d =
still like to hear from you.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Warren</div><div><br></div><div><br><=
/div>

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yeah!
i think we are rockin Michael you ll see
now we got the real crew
we ll take a bite of a pink dunkin dougnut with a sip of that cheapo 7/11gin

spit in on the fire on a starless night and dance possesed in cirlces with
christmas hats on
untilt the word behringer FCB1010 lights up with 1000 fire sparks in the sky
i cant wait...




On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:35 PM, <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:

> <<I would no doubt cry watching such a scene,but i think is time to call
> behringers attention
> every looper is invited to the ceremony
> Michael Klobuchar would you dare to make a video documentary? you are a
> brilliant vidoe producer!
> Luis>>
>
> luis.....i wouldn't use the word "brilliant", who am i kidding, sure i
> would!!!!!.....tanks!.....
> i don't come cheap, a beer, cheap gin, a donut, i'm yours.....:)m
>
>
>
>
>
>

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yeah! <br>i think we are rockin Michael you ll see<br>now we got the real c=
rew <br>we ll take a bite of a pink dunkin dougnut with a sip of that cheap=
o 7/11gin <br>spit in on the fire on a starless night and dance possesed in=
 cirlces with christmas hats on<br>
untilt the word behringer FCB1010 lights up with 1000 fire sparks in the sk=
y<br>i cant wait...<br><br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, O=
ct 3, 2010 at 5:35 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nemoguitt@a=
ol.com">nemoguitt@aol.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">&lt;&lt;I would n=
o doubt cry watching such a scene,but i think is time to call behringers at=
tention<br>

every looper is invited to the ceremony<br>
Michael Klobuchar would you dare to make a video documentary? you are a bri=
lliant vidoe producer!<br>
Luis&gt;&gt;<br>
<br>
luis.....i wouldn&#39;t use the word &quot;brilliant&quot;, who am i kiddin=
g, sure i would!!!!!.....tanks!.....<br>
i don&#39;t come cheap, a beer, cheap gin, a donut, i&#39;m yours.....:)m=
=A0<br>
=A0<br>
=A0<br>
=A0<br>
=A0<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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In endeavoring to strip my rig down, I've been playing with just the =
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sometimes I do, but I still end up back at the soloing over a static =
loop point fairly quickly. Any advice? Does feedback work well enough on =
the M13 to make it viable for loop evolution? (I'm finding my existing =
expression pedals don't seem to give all that precise control with Line =
6 equipment.) Or is it time to wire the EDP back into the set up?

Mark

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How about adding the occasional extra bit into the loop Mark?=20
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of an evolving soundscape.
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G
=20
> From: mark@grubmah.com
> Subject: Fighting the temptation to noodle
> Date: Sun=2C 3 Oct 2010 11:55:07 -0700
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> In endeavoring to strip my rig down=2C I've been playing with just the lo=
oper in the Line 6 M13. This is fun=2C but I find myself recording a loop a=
nd then just leaving it be while I play over the top. From a live looping s=
tandpoint=2C this feels like cheating. Everything turns into one long ambie=
nt guitar solo over a static loop which isn't really what I was after. Yes=
=2C I could go play with half speed and reverse and sometimes I do=2C but I=
 still end up back at the soloing over a static loop point fairly quickly. =
Any advice? Does feedback work well enough on the M13 to make it viable for=
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How about adding the occasional extra bit into the loop Mark?&nbsp=3B<BR>
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G<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>
&gt=3B From: mark@grubmah.com<BR>&gt=3B Subject: Fighting the temptation to=
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p my rig down=2C I've been playing with just the looper in the Line 6 M13. =
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be while I play over the top. From a live looping standpoint=2C this feels =
like cheating. Everything turns into one long ambient guitar solo over a st=
atic loop which isn't really what I was after. Yes=2C I could go play with =
half speed and reverse and sometimes I do=2C but I still end up back at the=
 soloing over a static loop point fairly quickly. Any advice? Does feedback=
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ding my existing expression pedals don't seem to give all that precise cont=
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I find I really want 3 feedback levels on my loops:

* 100%: Really useful when simply closing the loop. Sometimes useful for =
adding extra material.
* Something in the middle (TBD -- 60 to 70% seems to work well): Useful =
for evolving the loop
* 0%: The loop is now a long delay.

I don't think anything right now makes this easy to set up all three =
cases and particularly makes it easy to go into the overdub @ 100% mode =
from the other cases.

But I need to keep myself focused not on designing a looper (always fun =
to think about) but rather on optimizing the behavior of a simplified =
set up to lead me in fruitful directions. I'll see whether I can get =
something reasonable to happen with overdub control on the M13.

Mark

On Oct 3, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote:

> How about adding the occasional extra bit into the loop Mark?=20
> I also find that setting the loop to less than 100% feedback produces =
more of an evolving soundscape.
> =20
> G
> =20
> > From: mark@grubmah.com
> > Subject: Fighting the temptation to noodle
> > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:55:07 -0700
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >=20
> > In endeavoring to strip my rig down, I've been playing with just the =
looper in the Line 6 M13. This is fun, but I find myself recording a =
loop and then just leaving it be while I play over the top. =46rom a =
live looping standpoint, this feels like cheating. Everything turns into =
one long ambient guitar solo over a static loop which isn't really what =
I was after. Yes, I could go play with half speed and reverse and =
sometimes I do, but I still end up back at the soloing over a static =
loop point fairly quickly. Any advice? Does feedback work well enough on =
the M13 to make it viable for loop evolution? (I'm finding my existing =
expression pedals don't seem to give all that precise control with Line =
6 equipment.) Or is it time to wire the EDP back into the set up?
> >=20
> > Mark
> >=20


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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I =
find I really want 3 feedback levels on my loops:<div><br></div><div>* =
100%: Really useful when simply closing the loop. Sometimes useful for =
adding extra material.</div><div>* Something in the middle (TBD -- 60 to =
70% seems to work well): Useful for evolving the loop</div><div>* 0%: =
The loop is now a long delay.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't think =
anything right now makes this easy to set up all three cases and =
particularly makes it easy to go into the overdub @ 100% mode from the =
other cases.</div><div><br></div><div>But I need to keep myself focused =
not on designing a looper (always fun to think about) but rather on =
optimizing the behavior of a simplified set up to lead me in fruitful =
directions. I'll see whether I can get something reasonable to happen =
with overdub control on the =
M13.</div><div><br></div><div>Mark</div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 3, =
2010, at 12:01 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
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class=3D"hmmessage" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">How =
about adding the occasional extra bit into the loop Mark?&nbsp;<br>I =
also find that setting the loop to less than 100% feedback produces more =
of an evolving soundscape.<br>&nbsp;<br>G<br>&nbsp;<br>&gt; From:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:mark@grubmah.com">mark@grubmah.com</a><br>&gt; Subject: =
Fighting the temptation to noodle<br>&gt; Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 11:55:07 =
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href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com</a><br>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; In endeavoring to =
strip my rig down, I've been playing with just the looper in the Line 6 =
M13. This is fun, but I find myself recording a loop and then just =
leaving it be while I play over the top. =46rom a live looping =
standpoint, this feels like cheating. Everything turns into one long =
ambient guitar solo over a static loop which isn't really what I was =
after. Yes, I could go play with half speed and reverse and sometimes I =
do, but I still end up back at the soloing over a static loop point =
fairly quickly. Any advice? Does feedback work well enough on the M13 to =
make it viable for loop evolution? (I'm finding my existing expression =
pedals don't seem to give all that precise control with Line 6 =
equipment.) Or is it time to wire the EDP back into the set =
up?<br>&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; =
Mark<br>&gt;<span =
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I'm not familiar with most hardware devices but could you simply assign a p=
edal to feedback amount?=20
=20


From: mark@grubmah.com
Subject: Re: Fighting the temptation to noodle
Date: Sun=2C 3 Oct 2010 12:14:11 -0700
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


I find I really want 3 feedback levels on my loops:


* 100%: Really useful when simply closing the loop. Sometimes useful for ad=
ding extra material.
* Something in the middle (TBD -- 60 to 70% seems to work well): Useful for=
 evolving the loop
* 0%: The loop is now a long delay.


I don't think anything right now makes this easy to set up all three cases =
and particularly makes it easy to go into the overdub @ 100% mode from the =
other cases.


But I need to keep myself focused not on designing a looper (always fun to =
think about) but rather on optimizing the behavior of a simplified set up t=
o lead me in fruitful directions. I'll see whether I can get something reas=
onable to happen with overdub control on the M13.


Mark



On Oct 3=2C 2010=2C at 12:01 PM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote:

How about adding the occasional extra bit into the loop Mark?=20
I also find that setting the loop to less than 100% feedback produces more =
of an evolving soundscape.
=20
G
=20
> From: mark@grubmah.com
> Subject: Fighting the temptation to noodle
> Date: Sun=2C 3 Oct 2010 11:55:07 -0700
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> In endeavoring to strip my rig down=2C I've been playing with just the lo=
oper in the Line 6 M13. This is fun=2C but I find myself recording a loop a=
nd then just leaving it be while I play over the top. From a live looping s=
tandpoint=2C this feels like cheating. Everything turns into one long ambie=
nt guitar solo over a static loop which isn't really what I was after. Yes=
=2C I could go play with half speed and reverse and sometimes I do=2C but I=
 still end up back at the soloing over a static loop point fairly quickly. =
Any advice? Does feedback work well enough on the M13 to make it viable for=
 loop evolution? (I'm finding my existing expression pedals don't seem to g=
ive all that precise control with Line 6 equipment.) Or is it time to wire =
the EDP back into the set up?
>=20
> Mark
>=20

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I'm not familiar with most hardware devices but could you simply assign a p=
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  kill the loop...! it's so refreshing... after listening to some of my 
performances I wish I did it often earlier than I had been. it's such a 
temptation to go along and just keep on playing but variation is so 
necessary. I have been working with several channels / loopers and then 
turning the first basic loop down when another is already recorded...


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    kill the loop...! it's so refreshing... after listening to some of
    my performances I wish I did it often earlier than I had been. it's
    such a temptation to go along and just keep on playing but variation
    is so necessary. I have been working with several channels / loopers
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Okay. Pedal control over overdub/feedback is now deemed more valuable =
than control over the loop volume. Still leading me down heavily ambient =
paths (pretty much where I've often headed anyway), but at least there =
is evolution now.

Mark

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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
> I find myself recording a loop and then just leaving it be while I play over the top. From a live looping standpoint, this feels like cheating. Everything turns into one long ambient guitar solo over a static loop which isn't really what I was after.


This is a common trap we all fall into now and then. But the remedy is
so simple: just listen to the loop rather than to your instrument!

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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  yeah cool remedy.... never thought of that one...

Am 03.10.10 21:40, schrieb Per Boysen:
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Mark Hamburg<mark@grubmah.com>  wrote:
>> I find myself recording a loop and then just leaving it be while I play over the top. From a live looping standpoint, this feels like cheating. Everything turns into one long ambient guitar solo over a static loop which isn't really what I was after.
>
> This is a common trap we all fall into now and then. But the remedy is
> so simple: just listen to the loop rather than to your instrument!
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
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> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
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    yeah cool remedy.... never thought of that one... <br>
    <br>
    Am 03.10.10 21:40, schrieb Per Boysen:
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      <pre wrap="">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Mark Hamburg <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mark@grubmah.com">&lt;mark@grubmah.com&gt;</a> wrote:
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        <pre wrap="">I find myself recording a loop and then just leaving it be while I play over the top. From a live looping standpoint, this feels like cheating. Everything turns into one long ambient guitar solo over a static loop which isn't really what I was after.
</pre>
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      <pre wrap="">

This is a common trap we all fall into now and then. But the remedy is
so simple: just listen to the loop rather than to your instrument!

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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ll gets a bit much..
BTW. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool ambient kind of guy and not fighting it one bit=
 - it's me dharma nature man!
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Peace
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> Subject: Re: Fighting the temptation to noodle
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> Okay. Pedal control over overdub/feedback is now deemed more valuable tha=
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Mark Hamburg wrote:
> I find I really want 3 feedback levels on my loops:
> 
> * 100%: Really useful when simply closing the loop. Sometimes useful for 
> adding extra material.
> * Something in the middle (TBD -- 60 to 70% seems to work well): Useful 
> for evolving the loop
> * 0%: The loop is now a long delay.
> 
> I don't think anything right now makes this easy to set up all three 
> cases and particularly makes it easy to go into the overdub @ 100% mode 
> from the other cases.
> 

???  but the EDP does that
??? and it does all the things you seek in terms of allowing musical development

saw the rack ears off if necessary

more generally....

Nadia's right though,
kill that loop.
Best advice a looper ever heard.

If the loop device lets you, you can "kill" it
with the option to bring it back later.
If not, then a loop can be re-recorded...
...and if it needs more than one layer learn
to build/re-build loops real fast.
...but don't let the first loop be the continuity,
backbone and main theme of the whole piece.

andy b



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mark.....imho, the feedback on the m 13 is great for evolving a=20
loop.....also sending the loop, itself, back into the m 13 can give you=20
lots-o-options or throw something into the "send" to muss up the=20
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Some other things to try might be making the first loop fairly sparse and then copy it a time or two to other slots. Then seque to those from time to time and add different things to each of the copies (and even the original). Soon you have 2-3 loops with the same basic theme but with different things going on and you can switch from one to another to add variety. This can be especially powerful if you can play multiple loops simultaneously. Also you can add something new and then use UNDO to remove it. And using feedback to let loops gradually morph to something new can be interesting too. This works best for me if I have a "theme" loop which plays all the time and other loops that can evolve/devolve along with it.

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>Okay. Pedal control over overdub/feedback is now deemed more valuable than control over the loop volume. Still leading me down heavily ambient paths (pretty much where I've often headed anyway), but at least there is evolution now.
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also mark.....using the "UNDO" button will remove the last thing added=20
to the loop and it can be brought back into the loop UNTILL you record=20
something new on
the loop.....this gives you some variety.....here's something i'm=20
working on, record a C chord, jam over it, then add a B flat making it=20
a C7, this lets you change keys
so you get a different tonal quality, you can go from C major or A=20
minor then you can go to B flat major or D minor, just by hitting the=20
UNDO button, almost like having two
different loops.....or throw another looper into the send then you can=20
go totally nutz!.....:)


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i am no expert on looping although I've done quite a bit.  But for me, =
chord changes are the difference between snoring thru a piece and =
sitting on the edge of your chair - or some grey zone between those two =
states.  We've all heard both approaches.  I guess it depends on YOUR =
OWN desire.  Who cares what I or anyone else thinks? =20

The musicians of India have done fine with no chord changes.  Although =
they do usually have improv tablas and very stretched scales to hold the =
interest. =20

Still, I tend to listen to ragas, though, when I want to dissolve into =
the Big Empty.  So if that's you're goal, and it's a worthy one, that's =
fine!

Another consideration is that the sitar and sarod players from India =
most folks tend to listen to are hard core virtuoso acrobats of the =
fretboard.=20

To further confuse things, I have had tremendous luck putting chord =
changes under vocalists from India who normally sing over a one key =
tamboura drone.  One particular CD has done very well in the uber =
independent, way underground world of non artificial spiritual music. =
That technique has been copied many times over since.

My own take? For me, not being Ravi Shankar or Ali Akbar Khan, good =
chord changes make it easier to create interest and color. =20

But the key is YOU and what YOU want to hear.=20

I don't know Jack

or Jill.

But you do.

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On Oct 3, 2010, at 12:50 PM, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

> mark.....imho, the feedback on the m 13 is great for evolving a =
loop.....also sending the loop, itself, back into the m 13 can give you =
lots-o-options or throw something into the "send" to muss up the =
loop.....
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">i am =
no expert on looping although I've done quite a bit. &nbsp;But for me, =
chord changes are the difference between snoring thru a piece and =
sitting on the edge of your chair - or some grey zone between those two =
states. &nbsp;We've all heard both approaches. &nbsp;I guess it depends =
on YOUR OWN desire. &nbsp;Who cares what I or anyone else thinks? =
&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>The musicians of India have done fine with no =
chord changes. &nbsp;Although they do usually have improv tablas and =
very stretched scales to hold the interest. =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Still, I tend to listen to ragas, =
though, when I want to dissolve into the Big Empty. &nbsp;So if that's =
you're goal, and it's a worthy one, that's =
fine!</div><div><br></div><div>Another consideration is that the sitar =
and sarod players from India most folks tend to listen to are hard core =
virtuoso acrobats of the fretboard.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>To =
further confuse things, I have had tremendous luck putting chord changes =
under vocalists from India who normally sing over a one key tamboura =
drone. &nbsp;One particular CD has done very well in the uber =
independent, way underground world of non artificial spiritual music. =
That technique has been copied many times over =
since.</div><div><br></div><div>My own take? For me, not being Ravi =
Shankar or Ali Akbar Khan, good chord changes make it easier to create =
interest and color. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>But the key is YOU =
and what YOU want to hear.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I don't know =
Jack</div><div><br></div><div>or Jill.</div><div><br></div><div>But you =
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It's actually more challenging and interesting to have a single note 
background, then you can try all sorts of modes over it.  If you can do two 
asynchronous loops you can have one with a single note background, then the 
other looper brings in a chord every once in a while to change the harmonic 
structure.  And those can vary in the performance according to your taste.

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In endeavoring to strip my rig down, I've been playing with just the looper 
in the Line 6 M13. This is fun, but I find myself recording a loop and then 
just leaving it be while I play over the top. From a live looping 
standpoint, this feels like cheating. Everything turns into one long ambient 
guitar solo over a static loop which isn't really what I was after. Yes, I 
could go play with half speed and reverse and sometimes I do, but I still 
end up back at the soloing over a static loop point fairly quickly. Any 
advice? Does feedback work well enough on the M13 to make it viable for loop 
evolution? (I'm finding my existing expression pedals don't seem to give all 
that precise control with Line 6 equipment.) Or is it time to wire the EDP 
back into the set up?

Mark


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Subject: Re: Fighting the temptation to noodle
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Mark,

I have an M13 too . . . with a couple of the Line 6 expression pedals  
to go along with it to modify loop volume, or feedback, or other FX  
parameters.

That provides some means to interact and modify the loop in basic ways  
(as I am sure you know already).

But still (for me) the best way to fiddle with the loop more and  
introduce more dramatic changes is to have a second looper to use in  
conjunction.

Frequently I use a DD20 "downstream" from the M13 to start things off  
rhythmically and then go "upstream" to the looper in the M13 to make  
some sort of longer "ambienty" loop to go in and out of phase with that.

Later I can "capture" fragments of the longer "ambienty" loop running  
in the M13 in the DD20s shorter loop delay and produce interesting  
glitchy rhythms that are related to the content of the longer loop and  
still related to the rhythm that had been going on all along in the  
DD20.

It sort of work like loop "windowing" in the EDP.

When that gets something interesting happening I fade out the longer  
loop in the M13 entirely so that only the DD20 is going and I can then  
begin something altogether new and different in the M13 looper.

Trading back and forth between two loopers this way I find I can have  
more "defined" sections of a looping performance with more quickly  
changing compositional textures - as contrasted with simply letting a  
loop slowly evolve all the time (which cam be cool too).

Thank goodness for tap tempo.

On noodling . . . something I know all too much about.

Some people simply use the term "noodling" generally for any  
improvisational musical exploration.

Some would divide such exploration up between creatively alert and  
engaged improv . . . and aimless, formless, mindless noodling  . . .  
and be using the term actually as a pejorative.

Sometimes the "muse" doesn't show up to the gig on cue and it becomes  
hard not to wander aimlessly for a little bit.

There is a lot that can be said to taking active control of your loops  
and modifying them and working on them as directly and actively as you  
do any other musical "instrument."

But there is also something to be said for creating something very  
simple and primal and letting it be the "one big thing" that runs  
throughout a piece.

It's not so much that one is bad and unacceptable and the other is  
good and superior.

What's bad is if you feel like you're "stuck" and want to move on.

For me, 2 loopers is really handy - even if one of them is pretty full- 
featured and the other totally basic.

Got an extra looper of some sort to feed the output of the M13 into?

Give it a try.

Best,

Ted


On Oct 3, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote:

> In endeavoring to strip my rig down, I've been playing with just the  
> looper in the Line 6 M13. This is fun, but I find myself recording a  
> loop and then just leaving it be while I play over the top. From a  
> live looping standpoint, this feels like cheating. Everything turns  
> into one long ambient guitar solo over a static loop which isn't  
> really what I was after. Yes, I could go play with half speed and  
> reverse and sometimes I do, but I still end up back at the soloing  
> over a static loop point fairly quickly. Any advice? Does feedback  
> work well enough on the M13 to make it viable for loop evolution?  
> (I'm finding my existing expression pedals don't seem to give all  
> that precise control with Line 6 equipment.) Or is it time to wire  
> the EDP back into the set up?
>
> Mark

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  having one chord playing all the way through is not so much the 
problem as having the same sound sample repeat itself through your 
piece... that's just mechanical


Am 03.10.10 22:21, schrieb Toby G:
> It's actually more challenging and interesting to have a single note 
> background, then you can try all sorts of modes over it.  If you can 
> do two asynchronous loops you can have one with a single note 
> background, then the other looper brings in a chord every once in a 
> while to change the harmonic structure.  And those can vary in the 
> performance according to your taste.
>
> t
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" <mark@grubmah.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:55 AM
> Subject: Fighting the temptation to noodle
>
>
> In endeavoring to strip my rig down, I've been playing with just the 
> looper in the Line 6 M13. This is fun, but I find myself recording a 
> loop and then just leaving it be while I play over the top. From a 
> live looping standpoint, this feels like cheating. Everything turns 
> into one long ambient guitar solo over a static loop which isn't 
> really what I was after. Yes, I could go play with half speed and 
> reverse and sometimes I do, but I still end up back at the soloing 
> over a static loop point fairly quickly. Any advice? Does feedback 
> work well enough on the M13 to make it viable for loop evolution? (I'm 
> finding my existing expression pedals don't seem to give all that 
> precise control with Line 6 equipment.) Or is it time to wire the EDP 
> back into the set up?
>
> Mark
>
>
>


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    having one chord playing all the way through is not so much the
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    Am 03.10.10 22:21, schrieb Toby G:
    <blockquote cite="mid:F094041E89984D939DEC35FF0FB64B09@NORBY11"
      type="cite">It's actually more challenging and interesting to have
      a single note background, then you can try all sorts of modes over
      it.&nbsp; If you can do two asynchronous loops you can have one with a
      single note background, then the other looper brings in a chord
      every once in a while to change the harmonic structure.&nbsp; And those
      can vary in the performance according to your taste.
      <br>
      <br>
      t
      <br>
      ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg"
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      Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:55 AM
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      Subject: Fighting the temptation to noodle
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      <br>
      <br>
      In endeavoring to strip my rig down, I've been playing with just
      the looper in the Line 6 M13. This is fun, but I find myself
      recording a loop and then just leaving it be while I play over the
      top. From a live looping standpoint, this feels like cheating.
      Everything turns into one long ambient guitar solo over a static
      loop which isn't really what I was after. Yes, I could go play
      with half speed and reverse and sometimes I do, but I still end up
      back at the soloing over a static loop point fairly quickly. Any
      advice? Does feedback work well enough on the M13 to make it
      viable for loop evolution? (I'm finding my existing expression
      pedals don't seem to give all that precise control with Line 6
      equipment.) Or is it time to wire the EDP back into the set up?
      <br>
      <br>
      Mark
      <br>
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What a fantastic thing to be trying Warren.

I wish you much luck.

That's one way of turning a potential negative into a positive.

Way to go!

On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:

> Hi to all, and especially European colleagues,
>
> I know that many of you are dreaming of Santa Cruz in October right  
> now, but I'd like to distract you for one moment, if I might.
>
> My circumstances have suddenly changed in a way that leaves me with  
> a rare opportunity to travel on my own for a while (this is kind of  
> a "if you're handed a bunch of lemons, make lemonade" situation for  
> me). I have never seen much of Europe, and would love to meet some  
> of you, play with you and see your towns. I expect to be ready to  
> travel around the beginning of November and have not yet decided how  
> long I will be "on the road."
>
> If you would be amenable to having me stay with you for a few days,  
> please contact me off-list and let me know. Also, if you'd just like  
> to get together if I pass your way, but can't host, I'd still like  
> to hear from you.
>
> Thanks,
> Warren
>
>

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Unless mechanical is what you want...
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Peace
G
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Date: Sun=2C 3 Oct 2010 23:15:39 +0200
From: nadia.salom@gmx.de
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Fighting the temptation to noodle


having one chord playing all the way through is not so much the problem as =
having the same sound sample repeat itself through your piece... that's jus=
t mechanical


Am 03.10.10 22:21=2C schrieb Toby G:=20
It's actually more challenging and interesting to have a single note backgr=
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nchronous loops you can have one with a single note background=2C then the =
other looper brings in a chord every once in a while to change the harmonic=
 structure.  And those can vary in the performance according to your taste.=
=20

t=20
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In endeavoring to strip my rig down=2C I've been playing with just the loop=
er in the Line 6 M13. This is fun=2C but I find myself recording a loop and=
 then just leaving it be while I play over the top. From a live looping sta=
ndpoint=2C this feels like cheating. Everything turns into one long ambient=
 guitar solo over a static loop which isn't really what I was after. Yes=2C=
 I could go play with half speed and reverse and sometimes I do=2C but I st=
ill end up back at the soloing over a static loop point fairly quickly. Any=
 advice? Does feedback work well enough on the M13 to make it viable for lo=
op evolution? (I'm finding my existing expression pedals don't seem to give=
 all that precise control with Line 6 equipment.) Or is it time to wire the=
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Mark=20






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  oh yeah definetely... of course

in my case i guess it doesnt work with some particular voice samples..
best


Am 03.10.10 23:22, schrieb Gareth Whittock:
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>
> Peace
> G
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> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 23:15:39 +0200
> From: nadia.salom@gmx.de
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Fighting the temptation to noodle
>
> having one chord playing all the way through is not so much the 
> problem as having the same sound sample repeat itself through your 
> piece... that's just mechanical
>
>
> Am 03.10.10 22:21, schrieb Toby G:
>
>     It's actually more challenging and interesting to have a single
>     note background, then you can try all sorts of modes over it.  If
>     you can do two asynchronous loops you can have one with a single
>     note background, then the other looper brings in a chord every
>     once in a while to change the harmonic structure.  And those can
>     vary in the performance according to your taste.
>
>     t
>     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg"
>     <mark@grubmah.com> <mailto:mark@grubmah.com>
>     To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>     <mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>     Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:55 AM
>     Subject: Fighting the temptation to noodle
>
>
>     In endeavoring to strip my rig down, I've been playing with just
>     the looper in the Line 6 M13. This is fun, but I find myself
>     recording a loop and then just leaving it be while I play over the
>     top. From a live looping standpoint, this feels like cheating.
>     Everything turns into one long ambient guitar solo over a static
>     loop which isn't really what I was after. Yes, I could go play
>     with half speed and reverse and sometimes I do, but I still end up
>     back at the soloing over a static loop point fairly quickly. Any
>     advice? Does feedback work well enough on the M13 to make it
>     viable for loop evolution? (I'm finding my existing expression
>     pedals don't seem to give all that precise control with Line 6
>     equipment.) Or is it time to wire the EDP back into the set up?
>
>     Mark
>
>
>
>
>
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    oh yeah definetely... of course<br>
    <br>
    in my case i guess it doesnt work with some particular voice
    samples.. <br>
    best<br>
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    <br>
    Am 03.10.10 23:22, schrieb Gareth Whittock:
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      having one chord playing all the way through is not so much the
      problem as having the same sound sample repeat itself through your
      piece... that's just mechanical<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Am 03.10.10 22:21, schrieb Toby G:
      <blockquote cite="mid:F094041E89984D939DEC35FF0FB64B09@NORBY11">It's
        actually more challenging and interesting to have a single note
        background, then you can try all sorts of modes over it.&nbsp; If you
        can do two asynchronous loops you can have one with a single
        note background, then the other looper brings in a chord every
        once in a while to change the harmonic structure.&nbsp; And those can
        vary in the performance according to your taste. <br>
        <br>
        t <br>
        ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" <a
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        <br>
        Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:55 AM <br>
        Subject: Fighting the temptation to noodle <br>
        <br>
        <br>
        In endeavoring to strip my rig down, I've been playing with just
        the looper in the Line 6 M13. This is fun, but I find myself
        recording a loop and then just leaving it be while I play over
        the top. From a live looping standpoint, this feels like
        cheating. Everything turns into one long ambient guitar solo
        over a static loop which isn't really what I was after. Yes, I
        could go play with half speed and reverse and sometimes I do,
        but I still end up back at the soloing over a static loop point
        fairly quickly. Any advice? Does feedback work well enough on
        the M13 to make it viable for loop evolution? (I'm finding my
        existing expression pedals don't seem to give all that precise
        control with Line 6 equipment.) Or is it time to wire the EDP
        back into the set up? <br>
        <br>
        Mark <br>
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Is there any way to use my FCB1010 to control two EDP's that are assigned
separate midi channels (1 & 7)?  I still want to be able to control them
independently from my computer, but I'd like to control both of them at the
same time using the fcb1010.

Also, is there a way on the fcb1010 to have separate banks send note
messages to different channels?  I could have bank 1 control midi channel 1,
bank 2 control midi channel 7, and then bank 3 control 1 and 7.  Is this
possible?

Thanks.  Hope you all had a great weekend!
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Is there any way to use my FCB1010 to control two EDP&#39;s that are assign=
ed separate midi channels (1 &amp; 7)?=A0 I still want to be able to contro=
l them independently from my computer, but I&#39;d like to control both of =
them at the same time using the fcb1010.<br>
<br>Also, is there a way on the fcb1010 to have separate banks send note me=
ssages to different channels?=A0 I could have bank 1 control midi channel 1=
, bank 2 control midi channel 7, and then bank 3 control 1 and 7.=A0 Is thi=
s possible?<br>
<br>Thanks.=A0 Hope you all had a great weekend!<br>Adam from Wyoming.<br>

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On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Brian Carabee <compguy2@comcast.net> wrote:
> Best I can do as a "non-ambient" musician.

Thanks for the info Brian, you're doing well ;-)

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lots of musicians are doing the special edition these days. Look at NIN and
Radiohead, they both gave away their album, but then had special editions to
purchase. This is their way of keeping their fans satisfied and making some
money at the same time. And giving us an investment we can most likely later
sell and get all our money out of it.

It's all in the way you look at it.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:

> Since I am tuning in late, maybe I or someone else missed something here
> with this thread, but the pricey item is only for the special very limited
> collectors screen print edition which,
> in the long history of various music releases, is certainly not unheard of.
> There is also a "standard" CD release of the new Eno album that is only
> $14.99 (+ S&H) and currently is
> a "pre-order" item from Bleep.com, which I've already done, natch. :-)
>  There will also be a download available for purchase, as well. I'm looking
> *very forward* to hearing this...!
>
> Cheers,
> Rev. Fever
> Portland,OR
> http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever <http://www.spiritone.com/%7Ervfever>
>
>
>
>  From: "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 3:02 PM
>> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Subject: OT: Brian Eno "coming soon on Warp"
>>
>>
>>>  Interesting track......................
>>>
>>> but $99.99?
>>>
>>> Brian Eno is becoming the Apple of electronic artists.
>>>
>>> Expensive, prestigious, elitist music for upper middle class and wealthy
>>> people.
>>>
>>> Save your money and invest in artists like Bola, Oval, Trente Moller or
>>> my next CD
>>> or,   fuck it...................save your money and produce your own all
>>> original
>>> electronic CD.
>>>
>>> Brian Eno has been a constant source of inspiration to me throughout
>>> my artistic life but this elitist pricing just makes me spiney.
>>>
>>> rick walker
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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lots of musicians are doing the special edition these days. Look at NIN and=
 Radiohead, they both gave away their album, but then had special editions =
to purchase. This is their way of keeping their fans satisfied and making s=
ome money at the same time. And giving us an investment we can most likely =
later sell and get all our money out of it.<br>
<br>It&#39;s all in the way you look at it.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Revfever <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com">revfever@ubergadget.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Since I am tuning=
 in late, maybe I or someone else missed something here with this thread, b=
ut the pricey item is only for the special very limited collectors screen p=
rint edition which,<br>

in the long history of various music releases, is certainly not unheard of.=
 There is also a &quot;standard&quot; CD release of the new Eno album that =
is only $14.99 (+ S&amp;H) and currently is<br>
a &quot;pre-order&quot; item from Bleep.com, which I&#39;ve already done, n=
atch. :-) =A0There will also be a download available for purchase, as well.=
 I&#39;m looking *very forward* to hearing this...!<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Rev. Fever<br>
Portland,OR<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.spiritone.com/%7Ervfever" target=3D"_blank">http://ww=
w.spiritone.com/~rvfever</a><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
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r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
From: &quot;Rick Walker&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:looppool@cruzio.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">looppool@cruzio.com</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 3:02 PM<br>
To: &quot;LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Del=
ight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=
.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: OT: Brian Eno &quot;coming soon on Warp&quot;<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
=A0Interesting track......................<br>
<br>
but $99.99?<br>
<br>
Brian Eno is becoming the Apple of electronic artists.<br>
<br>
Expensive, prestigious, elitist music for upper middle class and wealthy pe=
ople.<br>
<br>
Save your money and invest in artists like Bola, Oval, Trente Moller or my =
next CD<br>
or, =A0 fuck it...................save your money and produce your own all =
original<br>
electronic CD.<br>
<br>
Brian Eno has been a constant source of inspiration to me throughout<br>
my artistic life but this elitist pricing just makes me spiney.<br>
<br>
rick walker<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote>
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:16 AM, ^|>^m <will.it.go.round@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there any way to use my FCB1010 to control two EDP's that are assigned
> separate midi channels (1 & 7)?=C2=A0 I still want to be able to control =
them
> independently from my computer, but I'd like to control both of them at t=
he
> same time using the fcb1010.

Not that I know of. Possibly by setting the EDP to be controlled by
CC#s instead of notes... but all I have heard about this is people
saying "notes are better for the EDP".

> Also, is there a way on the fcb1010 to have separate banks send note
> messages to different channels?=C2=A0 I could have bank 1 control midi ch=
annel 1,
> bank 2 control midi channel 7, and then bank 3 control 1 and 7.=C2=A0 Is =
this
> possible?

No. For the same reason as regarding the first question: on the FCB a
MIDI channel can only be set per each "pad" ("pad" in the sense the
manual uses that word) and there is only one pad for MIDI Notes. For
CC#s there are two, though. And for PC's there are four, if my memory
serves me correctly. That's an unlucky design, it should have been at
least two pads for Note Numbers. We could do fine with one less pad
for Program Change. A typical mistake due to product designers not
being in contact with real musicians.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub

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On Oct 3, 2010, at 12:48 PM, andy butler wrote:

> Mark Hamburg wrote:
>> I find I really want 3 feedback levels on my loops:
>> * 100%: Really useful when simply closing the loop. Sometimes useful =
for adding extra material.
>> * Something in the middle (TBD -- 60 to 70% seems to work well): =
Useful for evolving the loop
>> * 0%: The loop is now a long delay.
>> I don't think anything right now makes this easy to set up all three =
cases and particularly makes it easy to go into the overdub @ 100% mode =
from the other cases.
>=20
> ???  but the EDP does that
> ??? and it does all the things you seek in terms of allowing musical =
development

What the EDP doesn't make it all that easy to do is bounce between "I'd =
like to close the loop seamlessly and hence I want to be overdubbing at =
100%" and "I want to add a new layer and fade the old material back". =
Certainly it can do that, but it's a multi-control operation as opposed =
to just having different modes of working.

Mark

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Well,

The closer we get to the festival, the more things are falling into  
place so I can attend it this year.

I got the time off work.

Got permission from the wife.

And I just booked my hotel accommodation through Priceline.com.

Woohoo!

The only bummer is that I have to work on Monday the 18th.

So that means I will have to start driving back on Sunday, missing  
most of that day's performances, and miss out on Monday's looper  
brunch once again too.

Sigh...

But I will be there from Wednesday the 13th through Sunday Morning the  
17th.

If anyone wants to meet up for a meal or a beer somewhere in that span  
of time I am pretty open.

Ted

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Great Ted!! I finally will get to meet you! I'll be there for the whole 
week!

Jeff

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> Well,
>
> The closer we get to the festival, the more things are falling into  place 
> so I can attend it this year.
>
> I got the time off work.
>
> Got permission from the wife.
>
> And I just booked my hotel accommodation through Priceline.com.
>
> Woohoo!
>
> The only bummer is that I have to work on Monday the 18th.
>
> So that means I will have to start driving back on Sunday, missing  most 
> of that day's performances, and miss out on Monday's looper  brunch once 
> again too.
>
> Sigh...
>
> But I will be there from Wednesday the 13th through Sunday Morning the 
> 17th.
>
> If anyone wants to meet up for a meal or a beer somewhere in that span  of 
> time I am pretty open.
>
> Ted
> 

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  The Reverend Fever wrote:
"There is also a "standard" CD release of the new Eno album that is only 
$14.99 (+ S&H)"


Ooops,   Senor Eno  (notice there's a little eno inside senor?)
does not deserve my vitriol after all.

My bad and apologies...........I should fire salvos before doing my 
research,   I regret
it every time...................well,  to poorly paraphrase the 
replicant at the end of
Blade Runner................"......time to grow.."

It is nice to hear Eno do something a little edgier just from my little
narcissistic viewpoint.

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Thanks for that, Rick!

Yeah, a bit elitist on Eno's part! Add Boards of Canada to that list of worthy artist and, if you don't mind, I'll plug my CD "Tape" under my moniker "Colfax". Check it out on iTunes!

Peace,
Daniel Berkman




On Oct 3, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Rick Walker wrote:

> Interesting track......................
> 
> but $99.99?
> 
> Brian Eno is becoming the Apple of electronic artists.
> 
> Expensive, prestigious, elitist music for upper middle class and wealthy people.
> 
> Save your money and invest in artists like Bola, Oval, Trente Moller or my next CD
> or,   fuck it...................save your money and produce your own all original
> electronic CD.
> 
> Brian Eno has been a constant source of inspiration to me throughout
> my artistic life but this elitist pricing just makes me spiney.
> 
> rick walker
> 
> 
> 
> 

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it's a real shame when somebody of eno's caliber makes such an obvious cash
maneuver.  you think that certain people are above a certain type of
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- jim

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As has been pointed out, this is the 'fanboy' super limited deluxe edition,
much like others artsist release exclusively for the hardcore faithful...
There is a regular price edition thats around $14 bucks.

Eno is not doing anything worthy of such badmouthing (as Rick has
acknowledged).


> it's a real shame when somebody of eno's caliber makes such an obvious
cash
> maneuver.  you think that certain people are above a certain type of
> behavior...
>
> - jim
>

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Greetings all,

Well, I think I'm going to accept the inevitable (for me at least) and
prepare myself for a musical life in the laptop.  However, to achieve
this I will have to liberate a lot of hardware to raise the cash.  And
so, here is a list of stuff I'll be looking to move to a more
appreciative home.

I've been on this list for ages so I'm sure folks can vouch for me and
I've got the ebay feedback thing if you want.  If you're interested in
anything but don't like the price and want to offer me more feel free.
 If you'd like to offer less, we can talk.

Boss VF-1 $200  Great red half rack of fine Boss effects.  Sort of
like the son of the GP 100 and the GT series I think.  Quite few bells
and whistles, great sounds, very configurable and small.  Original
manual and PS.

Lexicon LXP 5, LXP 1 and MRC (midi controller with four sliders built
to program the LXP and other Lexicon gear)  $200  .Fine set of Lexicon
reverbs and delays and modulation effects.  In combo with the MRC,
this is a very powerful and deep set up of very programmable reverbs.
Original manuals for two and a copy of the other and original power
supply for the the LXPs and a hacked power supply for the MRC (you may
want to replace this as it does work but its not elegant at all).

Elextrix Repeater (with 2 256 MG cards)  $600  You know what this is.
One of the cards works on all the functions and one does MOST (it can
be overloaded and give a too slow error if you push it).  Original
box, manual and PS.  Repeater has been upgraded to the latest 2.1
software and I have those manuals as well.

Electrix EQ-Killer $100  The forgotten effect of the Electrix line.
This is a three band EQ that you can play quite muisically.  It also
has a fine Band Kill setting that sends the killed frequency to the
processor or distination of your choice where it is then routed back
to your original mix.   Original Box, Manual and PS.

Korg AM 8000R $400  I'm not positive I want to sell this, hence the
high price.  Sometimes called the poor man's Eventide, this is an
incredibly versatile mod FX unit.  2 effects groups and a reverb/delay
group that can be routed in any number of ways for some fantastic
sounds.  Can also run 8 foot controllers to really sculpt the sound in
real time if you wish.  Original PS and copy of manual.

Lexicon Vortex $200  You know what this is right.  Original PS and manual.

Boss DR 770 $150 Small compact drum machine with a lot of options to
doctor the sounds to your liking.  Midi out also makes it a decent
sequencer as well. Original PS and copy of the manual.

Alesis ModFX Ampliton $50 Really versatile tremolo and panning device.
 Can set them both up with a variety of options that can produces some
wicked pulses.  Original PS and I might have a manual somewhere (but
its pretty simple to figure out)

Alesis ModFX Phlanger $35  Similiar layout and design as the rest of
the series this one gives you a number of ways to make a flanger
flange magnificently.  No PS (I'll send one if I can find one) and
maybe a manual.

Digitech 2112 (upgraded to a 2120 with a Control One)* $200 This one
is an odd situation.  Its a 2112 tube preamp and multi FX unit with a
2120 chip.  The tube preamp drives a really solid array of digitech
sounds (including a 10 second looper with feedback control).  I really
like the pitch shifting on this unit but its got a lot of great sounds
in it.  It comes with the Control one which is basically a midi
controller designed especially for the 2120.  Easy to program from the
2120 and capable of controlling a whole host of parameters.  Now the
catch on this is, the display on the 2120 has gone out.  It still
lights up but now has no readout.  When it is connected to the C-1 you
can read what patch has been selected and with RP Edit you can easily
program anything on the 2120.  A hassle but possibly worth it for
those who want to.  Comes with Manual and Power cable.

Electrix Filter Factory. $150 Analog Filter that is, like all Electrix
gear, very playable as well.  Good filters coupled with distortions
that can be dropped in and out as you wish.  Midi capable and a really
great analog sound.  Original Box and Manual.



Kevin
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LOL.

Half of your list sounds like mine (VF-1, LXP-1, LXP-5, MRC, Vortex).

Good luck.

I suppose I ought to hold off putting the rest of mine up on Ebay for  
just a little while longer so we don't produce a glut on the market.

Best,

Ted

On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:17 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> Well, I think I'm going to accept the inevitable (for me at least) and
> prepare myself for a musical life in the laptop.  However, to achieve
> this I will have to liberate a lot of hardware to raise the cash.  And
> so, here is a list of stuff I'll be looking to move to a more
> appreciative home.
>
> I've been on this list for ages so I'm sure folks can vouch for me and
> I've got the ebay feedback thing if you want.  If you're interested in
> anything but don't like the price and want to offer me more feel free.
> If you'd like to offer less, we can talk.
>
> Boss VF-1 $200  Great red half rack of fine Boss effects.  Sort of
> like the son of the GP 100 and the GT series I think.  Quite few bells
> and whistles, great sounds, very configurable and small.  Original
> manual and PS.
>
> Lexicon LXP 5, LXP 1 and MRC (midi controller with four sliders built
> to program the LXP and other Lexicon gear)  $200  .Fine set of Lexicon
> reverbs and delays and modulation effects.  In combo with the MRC,
> this is a very powerful and deep set up of very programmable reverbs.
> Original manuals for two and a copy of the other and original power
> supply for the the LXPs and a hacked power supply for the MRC (you may
> want to replace this as it does work but its not elegant at all).
>
> Elextrix Repeater (with 2 256 MG cards)  $600  You know what this is.
> One of the cards works on all the functions and one does MOST (it can
> be overloaded and give a too slow error if you push it).  Original
> box, manual and PS.  Repeater has been upgraded to the latest 2.1
> software and I have those manuals as well.
>
> Electrix EQ-Killer $100  The forgotten effect of the Electrix line.
> This is a three band EQ that you can play quite muisically.  It also
> has a fine Band Kill setting that sends the killed frequency to the
> processor or distination of your choice where it is then routed back
> to your original mix.   Original Box, Manual and PS.
>
> Korg AM 8000R $400  I'm not positive I want to sell this, hence the
> high price.  Sometimes called the poor man's Eventide, this is an
> incredibly versatile mod FX unit.  2 effects groups and a reverb/delay
> group that can be routed in any number of ways for some fantastic
> sounds.  Can also run 8 foot controllers to really sculpt the sound in
> real time if you wish.  Original PS and copy of manual.
>
> Lexicon Vortex $200  You know what this is right.  Original PS and  
> manual.
>
> Boss DR 770 $150 Small compact drum machine with a lot of options to
> doctor the sounds to your liking.  Midi out also makes it a decent
> sequencer as well. Original PS and copy of the manual.
>
> Alesis ModFX Ampliton $50 Really versatile tremolo and panning device.
> Can set them both up with a variety of options that can produces some
> wicked pulses.  Original PS and I might have a manual somewhere (but
> its pretty simple to figure out)
>
> Alesis ModFX Phlanger $35  Similiar layout and design as the rest of
> the series this one gives you a number of ways to make a flanger
> flange magnificently.  No PS (I'll send one if I can find one) and
> maybe a manual.
>
> Digitech 2112 (upgraded to a 2120 with a Control One)* $200 This one
> is an odd situation.  Its a 2112 tube preamp and multi FX unit with a
> 2120 chip.  The tube preamp drives a really solid array of digitech
> sounds (including a 10 second looper with feedback control).  I really
> like the pitch shifting on this unit but its got a lot of great sounds
> in it.  It comes with the Control one which is basically a midi
> controller designed especially for the 2120.  Easy to program from the
> 2120 and capable of controlling a whole host of parameters.  Now the
> catch on this is, the display on the 2120 has gone out.  It still
> lights up but now has no readout.  When it is connected to the C-1 you
> can read what patch has been selected and with RP Edit you can easily
> program anything on the 2120.  A hassle but possibly worth it for
> those who want to.  Comes with Manual and Power cable.
>
> Electrix Filter Factory. $150 Analog Filter that is, like all Electrix
> gear, very playable as well.  Good filters coupled with distortions
> that can be dropped in and out as you wish.  Midi capable and a really
> great analog sound.  Original Box and Manual.
>
>
>
> Kevin
> -- 
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to  
> have a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all  
> trouble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>
> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos

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As much as I'm struck by those impressively well-shaved chests, I'm more 
taken by the fact that the verse is a note-for-note copy of Billy Joel's 
"My Life", which came out much later in the decade. Methinks our Long 
Island piano man had a thing for Danish glam.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5kBF8cByIY&feature=related 
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well id be damned Rick and Bill you guys looked great back then!

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5kBF8cByIY&feature=related
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well id be damned Rick and Bill you guys looked great back then!<br><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:36 AM, William Walker <spa=
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No problem Warren just drop me a line privately and ill see what i can do.
Ill be quite busy in november with perhaps a new job but weekends should
work.
cheers
Luis

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:18 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>wr=
ote:

> What a fantastic thing to be trying Warren.
>
> I wish you much luck.
>
> That's one way of turning a potential negative into a positive.
>
> Way to go!
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:
>
>  Hi to all, and especially European colleagues,
>>
>> I know that many of you are dreaming of Santa Cruz in October right now,
>> but I'd like to distract you for one moment, if I might.
>>
>> My circumstances have suddenly changed in a way that leaves me with a ra=
re
>> opportunity to travel on my own for a while (this is kind of a "if you'r=
e
>> handed a bunch of lemons, make lemonade" situation for me). I have never
>> seen much of Europe, and would love to meet some of you, play with you a=
nd
>> see your towns. I expect to be ready to travel around the beginning of
>> November and have not yet decided how long I will be "on the road."
>>
>> If you would be amenable to having me stay with you for a few days, plea=
se
>> contact me off-list and let me know. Also, if you'd just like to get
>> together if I pass your way, but can't host, I'd still like to hear from
>> you.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Warren
>>
>>
>>
>

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No problem Warren just drop me a line privately and ill see what i can do.<=
br>Ill be quite busy in november with perhaps a new job but weekends should=
 work.<br>cheers<br>Luis<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2=
010 at 11:18 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:te=
dkillian@charter.net">tedkillian@charter.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">What a fantastic =
thing to be trying Warren.<br>
<br>
I wish you much luck.<br>
<br>
That&#39;s one way of turning a potential negative into a positive.<br>
<br>
Way to go!<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi to all, and especially European colleagues,<br>
<br>
I know that many of you are dreaming of Santa Cruz in October right now, bu=
t I&#39;d like to distract you for one moment, if I might.<br>
<br>
My circumstances have suddenly changed in a way that leaves me with a rare =
opportunity to travel on my own for a while (this is kind of a &quot;if you=
&#39;re handed a bunch of lemons, make lemonade&quot; situation for me). I =
have never seen much of Europe, and would love to meet some of you, play wi=
th you and see your towns. I expect to be ready to travel around the beginn=
ing of November and have not yet decided how long I will be &quot;on the ro=
ad.&quot;<br>

<br>
If you would be amenable to having me stay with you for a few days, please =
contact me off-list and let me know. Also, if you&#39;d just like to get to=
gether if I pass your way, but can&#39;t host, I&#39;d still like to hear f=
rom you.<br>

<br>
Thanks,<br>
Warren<br>
<br>
<br>
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Hey Kevin (and all, of course),

as Ted already said, there is some intersection with what I have (or
had), so I'd like to comment on some of your gear as an info for
potenti buyers:
> Boss VF-1 $200  Great red half rack of fine Boss effects.  Sort of
> like the son of the GP 100 and the GT series I think.

According to Boss' product strategy, the VF1 was the followup on the
SE-50/SE-70 line, however it shares with the GT series their COSM
architecture.
If there is a downside, then it's that the VF1 (like the SE series)
only allows you to choose your combination of algorithms and routings
according to some preset structures. Apart from that, really nifty
multi-tap delays and whatnot. It also has an acceptable guitar in and
S/PDIF outputs, so can also be used as a frontend plus processing.

> Elextrix Repeater (with 2 256 MG cards)  $600
Yup, they seem to hold their value well, even though it seems that
there are so many much more powerful thingies available nowadays.
However, afaik, the Repeater is the only (hw) looper which allows
integrated time-stretch AND pitch-shift AND varispeed. OS2 also gives
you the possibility to treat the four tracks rather individually with
regard to transport functions.
Some of the Repeaters had issues with noisebleed right from the
factory, why others didn't - just mentioning this.
I really recommend the Repeater. Used it a lot on my older albums,
especially "Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg"
(http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=271), but also on most tracks on
"kybermusik: Quelques Papiers D'Abord"
(http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=272)

> Lexicon Vortex $200
also interesting, as this is more $ than the "last pieces blowout,
original packaging" a few years ago (I'm not hinting that your price
would not be ok, Kevin, I assume all of your prices are oriented
towards market). I believe Ted had three of those in the past. Andy
Butler runs a dedicated page for it. Great thing - it does odd things
if you want it to. And it can sound very analogue. I used it for the
snare drum delay in the soft section of my "Saustoi" track
(http://moinsound.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/saustoi-the-twitterchords-submission/)

> Electrix Filter Factory. $150
If you're looking to enhance something like a drum machine, then the
distortion on this unit is worth the price alone. Like all Electrix
things, it takes up two rack spaces (which was the main reason why I
sold mine), but as Kevin says, it's very playable. Great fun for the
whole music family!

           Rainer

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^|>^m wrote:
> Is there any way to use my FCB1010 to control two EDP's that are 
> assigned separate midi channels (1 & 7)?  I still want to be able to 
> control them independently from my computer, but I'd like to control 
> both of them at the same time using the fcb1010.

No, put both edps on the same channel and configure 
the Source# parameter on the edps so that they each use a different range of note-On.

andy

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Mark Hamburg wrote:
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 12:48 PM, andy butler wrote:
> 
>> Mark Hamburg wrote:
>>> I find I really want 3 feedback levels on my loops:
>>> * 100%: Really useful when simply closing the loop. Sometimes useful for adding extra material.
>>> * Something in the middle (TBD -- 60 to 70% seems to work well): Useful for evolving the loop
>>> * 0%: The loop is now a long delay.
>>> I don't think anything right now makes this easy to set up all three cases and particularly makes it easy to go into the overdub @ 100% mode from the other cases.
>> ???  but the EDP does that
>> ??? and it does all the things you seek in terms of allowing musical development
> 
> What the EDP doesn't make it all that easy to do is bounce between
> "I'd like to close the loop seamlessly and hence I want to be
> overdubbing at 100%" and "I want to add a new layer and fade 
>the old material back". Certainly it can do that, but it's a 
>multi-control operation as opposed to just having different modes of working.

hi Mark,
the EDP *will* do that, using Substitute as a single operation.
You need to either plug in an expression pedal or
just a dummy jack plug.
Then the expression pedal controls feedback until you
go into Substitute, in which case feedback setting is taken from the 
feedback knob.

andy



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Per sez:
> A typical mistake due to product designers not
> being in contact with real musicians.

While I don't know whether the product designers were in contact with
"real muscians" (whatever that means), it seems to me that the FCB1010
was designed with another main application in mind: that being
switching programs on a multitude of separate devices which do not
share PC mapping to application (e.g. songs). And a second main
application: controlling lots of stuff (e.g. with exp pedals) on one
specific device. And for both of those, it works quite ok.

           Rainer

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Nadia Salom wrote:
>   having one chord playing all the way through is not so much the 
> problem as having the same sound sample repeat itself through your 
> piece... that's just mechanical
> 

yep, can be. that's the time to kill it.

Certain types of loop seem to be able  sink into the background
and offer unobtrusive support, while others don't.



richard sales wrote:

> The musicians of India have done fine with no chord changes.  

I reckon it somewhat has to do with the way they carefully move
to different parts of the scale, focussing around one or two
notes for a while then moving on.

andy butler

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Looking forward to meeting you finally Ted... Im almost tempted to ask that
you bring your boss hexaphonic effect... maybe I want it? Then again.. Im
gonna be broke after making the trip from Norway... Its gonna be worth it t=
o
spend a week in CA while here the winter is coming all too close...

Mark

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:39 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>wro=
te:

> Well,
>
> The closer we get to the festival, the more things are falling into place
> so I can attend it this year.
>
> I got the time off work.
>
> Got permission from the wife.
>
> And I just booked my hotel accommodation through Priceline.com.
>
> Woohoo!
>
> The only bummer is that I have to work on Monday the 18th.
>
> So that means I will have to start driving back on Sunday, missing most o=
f
> that day's performances, and miss out on Monday's looper brunch once agai=
n
> too.
>
> Sigh...
>
> But I will be there from Wednesday the 13th through Sunday Morning the
> 17th.
>
> If anyone wants to meet up for a meal or a beer somewhere in that span of
> time I am pretty open.
>
> Ted
>
>


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Looking forward to meeting you finally Ted... Im almost tempted to ask that=
 you bring your boss hexaphonic effect... maybe I want it? Then again.. Im =
gonna be broke after making the trip from Norway... Its gonna be worth it t=
o spend a week in CA while here the winter is coming all too close...<br>

<br>Mark<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:39 AM, =
tEd =AE KiLLiAn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tedkillian@charter.=
net">tedkillian@charter.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(=
204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">

Well,<br>
<br>
The closer we get to the festival, the more things are falling into place s=
o I can attend it this year.<br>
<br>
I got the time off work.<br>
<br>
Got permission from the wife.<br>
<br>
And I just booked my hotel accommodation through Priceline.com.<br>
<br>
Woohoo!<br>
<br>
The only bummer is that I have to work on Monday the 18th.<br>
<br>
So that means I will have to start driving back on Sunday, missing most of =
that day&#39;s performances, and miss out on Monday&#39;s looper brunch onc=
e again too.<br>
<br>
Sigh...<br>
<br>
But I will be there from Wednesday the 13th through Sunday Morning the 17th=
.<br>
<br>
If anyone wants to meet up for a meal or a beer somewhere in that span of t=
ime I am pretty open.<br><font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
Ted<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<b=
r><a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markf=
rancombe<br>

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<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

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The FCB would certainly have saved me alot of time 15 years ago, when I had
a rack full of effects and had to program them all to have the changes I
needed on the same PGM numbers... if ONLY I could have programmed them all
on the FCB...

But a recognised fault of the 1010 was to make it that ALL note numbers
would be sent out on ONE preselected midi channel... if that could have been
set on a PER PAD basis, alot of headaches could have been avoided...

M


On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com
> wrote:

> Per sez:
> > A typical mistake due to product designers not
> > being in contact with real musicians.
>
> While I don't know whether the product designers were in contact with
> "real muscians" (whatever that means), it seems to me that the FCB1010
> was designed with another main application in mind: that being
> switching programs on a multitude of separate devices which do not
> share PC mapping to application (e.g. songs). And a second main
> application: controlling lots of stuff (e.g. with exp pedals) on one
> specific device. And for both of those, it works quite ok.
>
>           Rainer
>
>


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The FCB would certainly have saved me alot of time 15 years ago, when I had=
 a rack full of effects and had to program them all to have the changes I n=
eeded on the same PGM numbers... if ONLY I could have programmed them all o=
n the FCB...<br>

<br>But a recognised fault of the 1010 was to make it that ALL note numbers=
 would be sent out on ONE preselected midi channel... if that could have be=
en set on a PER PAD basis, alot of headaches could have been avoided...<br>

<br>M<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM=
, Rainer Straschill <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:moinsound@googl=
email.com">moinsound@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px so=
lid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">

<div class=3D"im">Per sez:<br>
&gt; A typical mistake due to product designers not<br>
&gt; being in contact with real musicians.<br>
<br>
</div>While I don&#39;t know whether the product designers were in contact =
with<br>
&quot;real muscians&quot; (whatever that means), it seems to me that the FC=
B1010<br>
was designed with another main application in mind: that being<br>
switching programs on a multitude of separate devices which do not<br>
share PC mapping to application (e.g. songs). And a second main<br>
application: controlling lots of stuff (e.g. with exp pedals) on one<br>
specific device. And for both of those, it works quite ok.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<b=
r><a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markf=
rancombe<br>

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I thought the FCB1010 was designed to control their line of amps.

On Oct 4, 2010, at 3:38 PM, mark francombe wrote:

> The FCB would certainly have saved me alot of time 15 years ago, when =
I had a rack full of effects and had to program them all to have the =
changes I needed on the same PGM numbers... if ONLY I could have =
programmed them all on the FCB...
>=20
> But a recognised fault of the 1010 was to make it that ALL note =
numbers would be sent out on ONE preselected midi channel... if that =
could have been set on a PER PAD basis, alot of headaches could have =
been avoided...
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> M
>=20
>=20
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Rainer Straschill =
<moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Per sez:
> > A typical mistake due to product designers not
> > being in contact with real musicians.
>=20
> While I don't know whether the product designers were in contact with
> "real muscians" (whatever that means), it seems to me that the FCB1010
> was designed with another main application in mind: that being
> switching programs on a multitude of separate devices which do not
> share PC mapping to application (e.g. songs). And a second main
> application: controlling lots of stuff (e.g. with exp pedals) on one
> specific device. And for both of those, it works quite ok.
>=20
>           Rainer
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> mark francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no


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<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I thought the FCB1010 was designed to control their line of amps.<div><br><div><div>On Oct 4, 2010, at 3:38 PM, mark francombe wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">The FCB would certainly have saved me alot of time 15 years ago, when I had a rack full of effects and had to program them all to have the changes I needed on the same PGM numbers... if ONLY I could have programmed them all on the FCB...<br>

<br>But a recognised fault of the 1010 was to make it that ALL note numbers would be sent out on ONE preselected midi channel... if that could have been set on a PER PAD basis, alot of headaches could have been avoided...<br>

<br>M<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Rainer Straschill <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com">moinsound@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">

<div class="im">Per sez:<br>
&gt; A typical mistake due to product designers not<br>
&gt; being in contact with real musicians.<br>
<br>
</div>While I don't know whether the product designers were in contact with<br>
"real muscians" (whatever that means), it seems to me that the FCB1010<br>
was designed with another main application in mind: that being<br>
switching programs on a multitude of separate devices which do not<br>
share PC mapping to application (e.g. songs). And a second main<br>
application: controlling lots of stuff (e.g. with exp pedals) on one<br>
specific device. And for both of those, it works quite ok.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Rainer<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a href="http://www.markfrancombe.com/">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href="http://www.ordoabkhao.com/">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markfrancombe<br>

<a href="http://vimeo.com/user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br><a href="http://www.looop.no/">http://www.looop.no</a><br>
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In case it might be of interest, this popped up on another list.
Recording under 6 minutes wanted.


regards
BobC

FWD..................................

(via Bryan Baker)

Greetings!

GAJOOB is returning to print with a new issue coming out this winter
and we're looking for recording artists who want to participate.

A big part of the upcoming GAJOOB print edition will be an mp3 CD with
~100 recordings. To be considered, just send an mp3 (192k) along with
details about making it (such as inspiration, anecdotes, recording
process, interesting techniques, etc.). All genres. Recent recordings
or vintage, but send us just one per artist. Keep the length under 5-6
minutes. Email it to gajoob@indieonestop.com. Please include artist
name, song name, credits and a website for linking. This should fill
up quickly, so get your contribution in. The deadline is when it's full.

Please share this notice with your creative contacts -- I'd really
appreciate it.

Thank you!

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font-size: 13px; ">Recording under 6 minutes =
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font-size: 13px; "><br></span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
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">FWD..................................</span></div><div><span =
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Bryan Baker)<br><br>Greetings!<br><br>GAJOOB is returning to print with =
a new issue coming out this winter<br>and we're looking for recording =
artists who want to participate.<br><br>A big part of the upcoming =
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On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:17 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:

> Korg AM 8000R $400  I'm not positive I want to sell this, hence the
> high price.  Sometimes called the poor man's Eventide, this is an
> incredibly versatile mod FX unit.  2 effects groups and a reverb/delay
> group that can be routed in any number of ways for some fantastic
> sounds.  Can also run 8 foot controllers to really sculpt the sound in
> real time if you wish.  Original PS and copy of manual.

I'm contemplating whether I should raise my hand for any of the gear on =
this list, but in the meantime I will heartily endorse the AM8000R. I =
have two. Really great boxes. A little colder sounding than the Vortex, =
but a great range of potentially complex effects. The only real downside =
is that it doesn't do tempo syncing.

Mark

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Good to hear that you're coming, Ted! :-)  I've been less lucky this
time; just received word today that I won't get the grant I applied
for to cover traveling costs. Since it is too close to call off the
flight tickets I will go anyway on borrowed money that I will have to
bring in somehow later on. Oh well, shit happens as they say. But at
least bad economy doesn't spoil a great party!!! I'm very excited
about meeting everyone :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:39 AM, tEd =C2=AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.ne=
t>
> wrote:
>> Well,
>> The closer we get to the festival, the more things are falling into plac=
e
>> so I can attend it this year.
>> I got the time off work.
>> Got permission from the wife.
>> And I just booked my hotel accommodation through Priceline.com.
>> Woohoo!
>> The only bummer is that I have to work on Monday the 18th.
>> So that means I will have to start driving back on Sunday, missing most =
of
>> that day's performances, and miss out on Monday's looper brunch once aga=
in
>> too.
>>
>> Sigh...
>>
>> But I will be there from Wednesday the 13th through Sunday Morning the
>> 17th.
>>
>> If anyone wants to meet up for a meal or a beer somewhere in that span o=
f
>> time I am pretty open.
>>
>> Ted

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Thanks!

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:

> In case it might be of interest, this popped up on another list.
> Recording under 6 minutes wanted.
>
>
> regards
> BobC
>
> FWD..................................
>
> (via Bryan Baker)
>
> Greetings!
>
> GAJOOB is returning to print with a new issue coming out this winter
> and we're looking for recording artists who want to participate.
>
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Thanks!<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, =
RP Collier <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:skeptikalist@gmail.com">=
skeptikalist@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
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<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,san=
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In case it might be of interest, this popped up on another list.</span></di=
v>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial,sans-serif; border-collapse: collaps=
e; font-size: 13px;">Recording under 6 minutes wanted.</span></div><div><br=
></div><div><span style=3D"font-family: arial,sans-serif; border-collapse: =
collapse; font-size: 13px;"><br>
</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-family: arial,sans-serif; border-coll=
apse: collapse; font-size: 13px;">regards=A0</span></div><div><span style=
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px;">BobC</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial,sans-serif; border-collapse: collaps=
e; font-size: 13px;"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-family: aria=
l,sans-serif; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;">FWD.............=
.....................</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial,sans-serif; border-collapse: collaps=
e; font-size: 13px;"><br></span></div>(via Bryan Baker)<br><br>Greetings!<b=
r><br>GAJOOB is returning to print with a new issue coming out this winter<=
br>
and we&#39;re looking for recording artists who want to participate.<br><br=
>A big part of the upcoming GAJOOB print edition will be an mp3 CD with<br>=
~100 recordings. To be considered, just send an mp3 (192k) along with<br>
details about making it (such as inspiration, anecdotes, recording<br>proce=
ss, interesting techniques, etc.). All genres. Recent recordings<br>or vint=
age, but send us just one per artist. Keep the length under 5-6<br>minutes.=
 Email it to=A0<a href=3D"mailto:gajoob@indieonestop.com" style=3D"color: r=
gb(0, 0, 204);" target=3D"_blank">gajoob@indieonestop.com</a>. Please inclu=
de artist<br>
name, song name, credits and a website for linking. This should fill<br>up =
quickly, so get your contribution in. The deadline is when it&#39;s full.<b=
r><br>Please share this notice with your creative contacts -- I&#39;d reall=
y<br>
appreciate it.<br><br>Thank you!<br><br>The website:=A0<a href=3D"http://ga=
joob.indieonestop.com/" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 204);" target=3D"_blank">=
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Subject: Fighting the temptation to noodle/walker bros early days...
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simplify--i did recently remove my zoom g2 from my setup, wanting to explore
some other simpler (analog) distortion options, my setup is: digitech
rp150-boss hyper fuzz-seymour duncan lava box-digitech dl8-eh 16ddl-boss
slicer-behringer tweakalizer-lexicon mx200--out to amp....

i will say that i'm liking the sounds coming out of my amp as of late... i
used to hate my amp sounds & preferred my direct sound....which has switched
now...

as for loop process, yea, simple static things come out a lot. i know i find
i'm messing w/ the feedback level a lot on the dl8 (great for adjusting
levels)--and i did do my 1st bit of recording a few bars of drum machine w/
playing into my eh16ddl, and boy dropping that low in pitch (& slower) up
speeding it up is most fun...the funny thing doing this i think: am i just
trying to make dance music? i might be. odd for me....

i will say my latest obsession is fuzz and process drum sounds....wish i
would have kept my adrenalinn--loved the drum machine in it....i'll never
learn i guess.....

oh as for "static & simple" -wasn't it adrian belew when he was playing w/
one of the late 80s or early 90s bowie tours said his favorite stuff to play
was a couple of the bowie songs that had basically 1 chord and allowed him
to go crazy over it....paraphrase of course....but i thought interesting....

funny thing when people say "feedback" referring to setting delay/loop
level, i always think: do they turn on their feedback mic in their guitar
like me and get the howling sounds? fun to loop and then change the pitch on
the 16ddl....

ok, that walker bros clip from '74. wow that was GREAT!!! that group should
have gone on to rule the 70s!!!!! loved the big head strat!!!!!

s---
www.myspace.com/scotthansen

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simplify--i did recently remove my zoom g2 from my setup, wanting to explor=
e some other simpler (analog) distortion options, my setup is: digitech rp1=
50-boss hyper fuzz-seymour duncan lava box-digitech dl8-eh 16ddl-boss slice=
r-behringer tweakalizer-lexicon mx200--out to amp....<br>
<br>i will say that i&#39;m liking the sounds coming out of my amp as of la=
te... i used to hate my amp sounds &amp; preferred my direct sound....which=
 has switched now...<br><br>as for loop process, yea, simple static things =
come out a lot. i know i find i&#39;m messing w/ the feedback level a lot o=
n the dl8 (great for adjusting levels)--and i did do my 1st bit of recordin=
g a few bars of drum machine w/ playing into my eh16ddl, and boy dropping t=
hat low in pitch (&amp; slower) up speeding it up is most fun...the funny t=
hing doing this i think: am i just trying to make dance music? i might be. =
odd for me....<br>
<br>i will say my latest obsession is fuzz and process drum sounds....wish =
i would have kept my adrenalinn--loved the drum machine in it....i&#39;ll n=
ever learn i guess.....<br><br>oh as for &quot;static &amp; simple&quot; -w=
asn&#39;t it adrian belew when he was playing w/ one of the late 80s or ear=
ly 90s bowie tours said his favorite stuff to play was a couple of the bowi=
e songs that had basically 1 chord and allowed him to go crazy over it....p=
araphrase of course....but i thought interesting....<br>
<br>funny thing when people say &quot;feedback&quot; referring to setting d=
elay/loop level, i always think: do they turn on their feedback mic in thei=
r guitar like me and get the howling sounds? fun to loop and then change th=
e pitch on the 16ddl....<br>
<br>ok, that walker bros clip from &#39;74. wow that was GREAT!!! that grou=
p should have gone on to rule the 70s!!!!! loved the big head strat!!!!!<br=
><br>s---<br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/scotthansen">www.myspace.com=
/scotthansen</a><br>

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Hi Guys!

New to the looping world I hope someone very kind could help me:)

I play several percussion instruments and a little vocals (one condenser mi=
c)
Pandeiro (another condenser mic dedicated)
Guitar mainly=2C but maybe also bass

How to use my RC - 50 connections wise?

Mixer=2C no mixer? using send return or the line input? preamp for mic and =
straight to the mic input? Equalizers? I don't have idea how to make a good=
 set-up for a good sound=2C no clips=2C feedback etc...

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y=2C to be abe to pan pot them L and R...

Thank you so much!

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Hi Guys!<br><br>New to the looping world I hope someone very kind could hel=
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inly=2C but maybe also bass<br><br>How to use my RC - 50 connections wise?<=
br><br>Mixer=2C no mixer? using send return or the line input? preamp for m=
ic and straight to the mic input? Equalizers? I don't have idea how to make=
 a good set-up for a good sound=2C no clips=2C feedback etc...<br><br>I'd l=
ike to have stereo output=2C due to the many musical phases for clarity=2C =
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It really depends on how many instruments you'd like to include at once and
what level of control you ideally envision having.

I think that because you have are talking about several percussion pieces,
using a mixer will be super beneficial. At that point, you might as well,
run everything into your mixer (depending on how big it is) and plug that
into your RC-50's stereo in (and then you'll get full capacity with the
stereo out, too!). This will give you the greatest amount of control over
your levels.

It's also super groovy that the RC50 has phantom power, individual XLR in
and volume control.

I vote mixer!


love,
Daniel Harris <http://danielharris.bandcamp.com>



On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:26 PM, andrea trabucco <
andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi Guys!
>
> New to the looping world I hope someone very kind could help me:)
>
> I play several percussion instruments and a little vocals (one condenser
> mic)
> Pandeiro (another condenser mic dedicated)
> Guitar mainly, but maybe also bass
>
> How to use my RC - 50 connections wise?
>
> Mixer, no mixer? using send return or the line input? preamp for mic and
> straight to the mic input? Equalizers? I don't have idea how to make a good
> set-up for a good sound, no clips, feedback etc...
>
> I'd like to have stereo output, due to the many musical phases for clarity,
> to be abe to pan pot them L and R...
>
> Thank you so much!
>
> Andrea
>
>

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It really depends on how many instruments you&#39;d like to include at once=
 and what level of control you ideally envision having. <br><br>I think tha=
t because you have are talking about several percussion pieces, using a mix=
er will be super beneficial. At that point, you might as well, run everythi=
ng into your mixer (depending on how big it is) and plug that into your RC-=
50&#39;s stereo in (and then you&#39;ll get full capacity with the stereo o=
ut, too!). This will give you the greatest amount of control over your leve=
ls. <br>
<br>It&#39;s also super groovy that the RC50 has phantom power, individual =
XLR in and volume control. <br><br>I vote mixer! <br><br><br>love,<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://danielharris.bandcamp.com">Daniel Harris</a><br><br><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:26 PM, andrea trabucco=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com">andre=
a.trabucco@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">




<div>
Hi Guys!<br><br>New to the looping world I hope someone very kind could hel=
p me:)<br><br>I play several percussion instruments and a little vocals (on=
e condenser mic)<br>Pandeiro (another condenser mic dedicated)<br>Guitar ma=
inly, but maybe also bass<br>
<br>How to use my RC - 50 connections wise?<br><br>Mixer, no mixer? using s=
end return or the line input? preamp for mic and straight to the mic input?=
 Equalizers? I don&#39;t have idea how to make a good set-up for a good sou=
nd, no clips, feedback etc...<br>
<br>I&#39;d like to have stereo output, due to the many musical phases for =
clarity, to be abe to pan pot them L and R...<br><br>Thank you so much!<br>=
<br>Andrea<br><br> 		 	   		  </div>
</blockquote></div><br>

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There's a wonderful single pinched guitar note on Pink Floyd's "Bike"=2C so=
unds very mechanical I'm glad they didn't kill..=20
Mechanical can be wonderful!
=20
Gareth
=20
> Date: Mon=2C 4 Oct 2010 10:45:02 +0100
> From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Fighting the temptation to noodle
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> > having one chord playing all the way through is not so much the=20
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> yep=2C can be. that's the time to kill it.
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> Certain types of loop seem to be able sink into the background
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> > The musicians of India have done fine with no chord changes.=20
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> I reckon it somewhat has to do with the way they carefully move
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Thank you very much=2C Daniel

I begin to understand a little bit:)

ideally I want to have a good control of equalization and volume to be able=
 to make each sound be audible and nice in a multi-layered percussion piece=
s.. I have surdo=2C snare=2C repique=2C tamborim=2C many instruments from B=
razil ranging from very low to very high pitch...

I don't anything about impedance but I thought it was not fine to run in an=
 inst input a mic source=2C but it's not a mic it's a mixer so it will be f=
ine...:)

do yuo have any suggestion on mixers to buy=2C a good sounding one but not =
too expensive? and maybe with that mute function to solve the problem of fe=
edback and my looping stuff going into the mics during playback?

any advice (also the non-requested ones) are very welcome!!

all the best=2C

Andrea


Date: Mon=2C 4 Oct 2010 13:00:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections set-up
From: daniel@ithinkwethink.org
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

It really depends on how many instruments you'd like to include at once and=
 what level of control you ideally envision having.=20

I think that because you have are talking about several percussion pieces=
=2C using a mixer will be super beneficial. At that point=2C you might as w=
ell=2C run everything into your mixer (depending on how big it is) and plug=
 that into your RC-50's stereo in (and then you'll get full capacity with t=
he stereo out=2C too!). This will give you the greatest amount of control o=
ver your levels.=20


It's also super groovy that the RC50 has phantom power=2C individual XLR in=
 and volume control.=20

I vote mixer!=20


love=2C
Daniel Harris




On Mon=2C Oct 4=2C 2010 at 12:26 PM=2C andrea trabucco <andrea.trabucco@hot=
mail.com> wrote:






Hi Guys!

New to the looping world I hope someone very kind could help me:)

I play several percussion instruments and a little vocals (one condenser mi=
c)
Pandeiro (another condenser mic dedicated)
Guitar mainly=2C but maybe also bass


How to use my RC - 50 connections wise?

Mixer=2C no mixer? using send return or the line input? preamp for mic and =
straight to the mic input? Equalizers? I don't have idea how to make a good=
 set-up for a good sound=2C no clips=2C feedback etc...


I'd like to have stereo output=2C due to the many musical phases for clarit=
y=2C to be abe to pan pot them L and R...

Thank you so much!

Andrea

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Thank you very much=2C Daniel<br><br>I begin to understand a little bit:)<b=
r><br>ideally I want to have a good control of equalization and volume to b=
e able to make each sound be audible and nice in a multi-layered percussion=
 pieces.. I have surdo=2C snare=2C repique=2C tamborim=2C many instruments =
from Brazil ranging from very low to very high pitch...<br><br>I don't anyt=
hing about impedance but I thought it was not fine to run in an inst input =
a mic source=2C but it's not a mic it's a mixer so it will be fine...:)<br>=
<br>do yuo have any suggestion on mixers to buy=2C a good sounding one but =
not too expensive? and maybe with that mute function to solve the problem o=
f feedback and my looping stuff going into the mics during playback?<br><br=
>any advice (also the non-requested ones) are very welcome!!<br><br>all the=
 best=2C<br><br>Andrea<br><br><br><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Date: Mon=2C 4 Oc=
t 2010 13:00:52 -0400<br>Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections se=
t-up<br>From: daniel@ithinkwethink.org<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig=
ht.com<br><br>It really depends on how many instruments you'd like to inclu=
de at once and what level of control you ideally envision having. <br><br>I=
 think that because you have are talking about several percussion pieces=2C=
 using a mixer will be super beneficial. At that point=2C you might as well=
=2C run everything into your mixer (depending on how big it is) and plug th=
at into your RC-50's stereo in (and then you'll get full capacity with the =
stereo out=2C too!). This will give you the greatest amount of control over=
 your levels. <br>
<br>It's also super groovy that the RC50 has phantom power=2C individual XL=
R in and volume control. <br><br>I vote mixer! <br><br><br>love=2C<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://danielharris.bandcamp.com" target=3D"_blank">Daniel Harris</a>=
<br><br><br><br>
<div class=3D"ecxgmail_quote">On Mon=2C Oct 4=2C 2010 at 12:26 PM=2C andrea=
 trabucco <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:andrea.trabucco@hotmail=
.com">andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com</a>&gt=3B</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
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<div>
Hi Guys!<br><br>New to the looping world I hope someone very kind could hel=
p me:)<br><br>I play several percussion instruments and a little vocals (on=
e condenser mic)<br>Pandeiro (another condenser mic dedicated)<br>Guitar ma=
inly=2C but maybe also bass<br>
<br>How to use my RC - 50 connections wise?<br><br>Mixer=2C no mixer? using=
 send return or the line input? preamp for mic and straight to the mic inpu=
t? Equalizers? I don't have idea how to make a good set-up for a good sound=
=2C no clips=2C feedback etc...<br>
<br>I'd like to have stereo output=2C due to the many musical phases for cl=
arity=2C to be abe to pan pot them L and R...<br><br>Thank you so much!<br>=
<br>Andrea<br><br> 		 	   		  </div>
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^|>^m wrote:

> Is there any way to use my FCB1010 to control two EDP's that are assigned
> separate midi channels (1 & 7)?  I still want to be able to control them
> independently from my computer, but I'd like to control both of them at the
> same time using the fcb1010.
>

*No, put both edps on the same channel and configure the Source# parameter
on the edps so that they each use a different range of note-On.

Andy*

The FCB1010 only sends one note value per button - if it sent two this would
totally work.  I tried CC#'s (it send two) which worked, but I couldn't do
any long presses, like to erase the loop or reset all loops - so that's out.

I'm thinking I need one of these in the middle to map all the notes coming
in on Channel 1 to Channel 7: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm I
hope there is no latency issue.

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Is there any way to use my FCB1010 to control two EDP&#39;s that are assign=
ed separate midi channels (1 &amp; 7)? =A0I still want to be able to contro=
l them independently from my computer, but I&#39;d like to control both of =
them at the same time using the fcb1010.<br>

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<i>No, put both edps on the same channel and configure the Source# paramete=
r on the edps so that they each use a different range of note-On.<br><font =
color=3D"#888888">
</font><br>Andy</i><br><br>The FCB1010 only sends one note value per button=
 - if it sent two this would totally work.=A0 I tried CC#&#39;s (it send tw=
o) which worked, but I couldn&#39;t do any long presses, like to erase the =
loop or reset all loops - so that&#39;s out.<br>
<br>I&#39;m thinking I need one of these in the middle to map all the notes=
 coming in on Channel 1 to Channel 7: <a href=3D"http://www.midisolutions.c=
om/prodevp.htm">http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm</a> I hope there i=
s no latency issue.<br>
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Hey Andrea,

No prob!

Mixers... Pretty much every mixer is going to have a mute button for each
channel. How many channels are you looking for, ideally?

Mackie's are great, not cheap, but worth the moneys.


On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:01 PM, andrea trabucco <andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com
> wrote:

>  Thank you very much, Daniel
>
> I begin to understand a little bit:)
>
> ideally I want to have a good control of equalization and volume to be able
> to make each sound be audible and nice in a multi-layered percussion
> pieces.. I have surdo, snare, repique, tamborim, many instruments from
> Brazil ranging from very low to very high pitch...
>
> I don't anything about impedance but I thought it was not fine to run in an
> inst input a mic source, but it's not a mic it's a mixer so it will be
> fine...:)
>
> do yuo have any suggestion on mixers to buy, a good sounding one but not
> too expensive? and maybe with that mute function to solve the problem of
> feedback and my looping stuff going into the mics during playback?
>
> any advice (also the non-requested ones) are very welcome!!
>
> all the best,
>
> Andrea
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:00:52 -0400
> Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections set-up
> From: daniel@ithinkwethink.org
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
> It really depends on how many instruments you'd like to include at once and
> what level of control you ideally envision having.
>
> I think that because you have are talking about several percussion pieces,
> using a mixer will be super beneficial. At that point, you might as well,
> run everything into your mixer (depending on how big it is) and plug that
> into your RC-50's stereo in (and then you'll get full capacity with the
> stereo out, too!). This will give you the greatest amount of control over
> your levels.
>
> It's also super groovy that the RC50 has phantom power, individual XLR in
> and volume control.
>
> I vote mixer!
>
>
> love,
> Daniel Harris <http://danielharris.bandcamp.com>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:26 PM, andrea trabucco <
> andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi Guys!
>
> New to the looping world I hope someone very kind could help me:)
>
> I play several percussion instruments and a little vocals (one condenser
> mic)
> Pandeiro (another condenser mic dedicated)
> Guitar mainly, but maybe also bass
>
> How to use my RC - 50 connections wise?
>
> Mixer, no mixer? using send return or the line input? preamp for mic and
> straight to the mic input? Equalizers? I don't have idea how to make a good
> set-up for a good sound, no clips, feedback etc...
>
> I'd like to have stereo output, due to the many musical phases for clarity,
> to be abe to pan pot them L and R...
>
> Thank you so much!
>
> Andrea
>
>
>

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Hey Andrea, <br><br>No prob! <br><br>Mixers... Pretty much every mixer is g=
oing to have a mute button for each channel. How many channels are you look=
ing for, ideally? <br><br>Mackie&#39;s are great, not cheap, but worth the =
moneys. <br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:01 PM, andrea t=
rabucco <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com=
">andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rg=
b(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">




<div>
Thank you very much, Daniel<br><br>I begin to understand a little bit:)<br>=
<br>ideally I want to have a good control of equalization and volume to be =
able to make each sound be audible and nice in a multi-layered percussion p=
ieces.. I have surdo, snare, repique, tamborim, many instruments from Brazi=
l ranging from very low to very high pitch...<br>
<br>I don&#39;t anything about impedance but I thought it was not fine to r=
un in an inst input a mic source, but it&#39;s not a mic it&#39;s a mixer s=
o it will be fine...:)<br><br>do yuo have any suggestion on mixers to buy, =
a good sounding one but not too expensive? and maybe with that mute functio=
n to solve the problem of feedback and my looping stuff going into the mics=
 during playback?<br>
<br>any advice (also the non-requested ones) are very welcome!!<br><br>all =
the best,<br><br>Andrea<br><br><br><hr>Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:00:52 -0400=
<br>Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections set-up<br>From: <a href=
=3D"mailto:daniel@ithinkwethink.org" target=3D"_blank">daniel@ithinkwethink=
.org</a><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank=
">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">=
<br><br>It really depends on how many instruments you&#39;d like to include=
 at once and what level of control you ideally envision having. <br>
<br>I think that because you have are talking about several percussion piec=
es, using a mixer will be super beneficial. At that point, you might as wel=
l, run everything into your mixer (depending on how big it is) and plug tha=
t into your RC-50&#39;s stereo in (and then you&#39;ll get full capacity wi=
th the stereo out, too!). This will give you the greatest amount of control=
 over your levels. <br>

<br>It&#39;s also super groovy that the RC50 has phantom power, individual =
XLR in and volume control. <br><br>I vote mixer! <br><br><br>love,<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://danielharris.bandcamp.com" target=3D"_blank">Daniel Harris</a>=
<br>
<br><br><br>
<div>On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:26 PM, andrea trabucco <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">andrea.tr=
abucco@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"padding-le=
ft: 1ex;">





<div>
Hi Guys!<br><br>New to the looping world I hope someone very kind could hel=
p me:)<br><br>I play several percussion instruments and a little vocals (on=
e condenser mic)<br>Pandeiro (another condenser mic dedicated)<br>Guitar ma=
inly, but maybe also bass<br>

<br>How to use my RC - 50 connections wise?<br><br>Mixer, no mixer? using s=
end return or the line input? preamp for mic and straight to the mic input?=
 Equalizers? I don&#39;t have idea how to make a good set-up for a good sou=
nd, no clips, feedback etc...<br>

<br>I&#39;d like to have stereo output, due to the many musical phases for =
clarity, to be abe to pan pot them L and R...<br><br>Thank you so much!<br>=
<br>Andrea<br><br> 		 	   		  </div>
</blockquote></div><br> 		 	   		  </div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br>

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Hi Daniel!

I think that if this project of mine will work=2C I'd like to use:

guitar=2C bass=2C some kind of drum machine or probably better a laptop (I'=
ll open a whole new topic on this one=2C because I'm not used to computer a=
nd software for making music as you can imagine:)) and maybe 5 or 6 differe=
nt percussion and voice...

I hope I 'l find some mic able to catch panoramiccally all the percussion b=
ut it's better to have some extra channel in the case this will not be poss=
ible...

so maybe 4 inst channels plus four mic channels?

Since I'm so unaware of many technological and sound-engineering things=2C =
if you know or ahave in mine a good set-up for the kind of thing I want to =
do=2C feel free to advice me of your opinion regarding a set-up that will b=
e practical=2C good sounding and easy to arrange and use live.

thank you again!

Andrea


Date: Mon=2C 4 Oct 2010 14:30:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections set-up
From: daniel@ithinkwethink.org
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Hey Andrea=2C=20

No prob!=20

Mixers... Pretty much every mixer is going to have a mute button for each c=
hannel. How many channels are you looking for=2C ideally?=20

Mackie's are great=2C not cheap=2C but worth the moneys.=20



On Mon=2C Oct 4=2C 2010 at 2:01 PM=2C andrea trabucco <andrea.trabucco@hotm=
ail.com> wrote:






Thank you very much=2C Daniel

I begin to understand a little bit:)

ideally I want to have a good control of equalization and volume to be able=
 to make each sound be audible and nice in a multi-layered percussion piece=
s.. I have surdo=2C snare=2C repique=2C tamborim=2C many instruments from B=
razil ranging from very low to very high pitch...


I don't anything about impedance but I thought it was not fine to run in an=
 inst input a mic source=2C but it's not a mic it's a mixer so it will be f=
ine...:)

do yuo have any suggestion on mixers to buy=2C a good sounding one but not =
too expensive? and maybe with that mute function to solve the problem of fe=
edback and my looping stuff going into the mics during playback?


any advice (also the non-requested ones) are very welcome!!

all the best=2C

Andrea


Date: Mon=2C 4 Oct 2010 13:00:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections set-up
From: daniel@ithinkwethink.org

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

It really depends on how many instruments you'd like to include at once and=
 what level of control you ideally envision having.=20


I think that because you have are talking about several percussion pieces=
=2C using a mixer will be super beneficial. At that point=2C you might as w=
ell=2C run everything into your mixer (depending on how big it is) and plug=
 that into your RC-50's stereo in (and then you'll get full capacity with t=
he stereo out=2C too!). This will give you the greatest amount of control o=
ver your levels.=20



It's also super groovy that the RC50 has phantom power=2C individual XLR in=
 and volume control.=20

I vote mixer!=20


love=2C
Daniel Harris





On Mon=2C Oct 4=2C 2010 at 12:26 PM=2C andrea trabucco <andrea.trabucco@hot=
mail.com> wrote:







Hi Guys!

New to the looping world I hope someone very kind could help me:)

I play several percussion instruments and a little vocals (one condenser mi=
c)
Pandeiro (another condenser mic dedicated)
Guitar mainly=2C but maybe also bass



How to use my RC - 50 connections wise?

Mixer=2C no mixer? using send return or the line input? preamp for mic and =
straight to the mic input? Equalizers? I don't have idea how to make a good=
 set-up for a good sound=2C no clips=2C feedback etc...



I'd like to have stereo output=2C due to the many musical phases for clarit=
y=2C to be abe to pan pot them L and R...

Thank you so much!

Andrea

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Hi Daniel!<br><br>I think that if this project of mine will work=2C I'd lik=
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tter a laptop (I'll open a whole new topic on this one=2C because I'm not u=
sed to computer and software for making music as you can imagine:)) and may=
be 5 or 6 different percussion and voice...<br><br>I hope I 'l find some mi=
c able to catch panoramiccally all the percussion but it's better to have s=
ome extra channel in the case this will not be possible...<br><br>so maybe =
4 inst channels plus four mic channels?<br><br>Since I'm so unaware of many=
 technological and sound-engineering things=2C if you know or ahave in mine=
 a good set-up for the kind of thing I want to do=2C feel free to advice me=
 of your opinion regarding a set-up that will be practical=2C good sounding=
 and easy to arrange and use live.<br><br>thank you again!<br><br>Andrea<br=
><br><br><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Date: Mon=2C 4 Oct 2010 14:30:18 -0400<br>=
Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections set-up<br>From: daniel@ithi=
nkwethink.org<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><br>Hey Andrea=
=2C <br><br>No prob! <br><br>Mixers... Pretty much every mixer is going to =
have a mute button for each channel. How many channels are you looking for=
=2C ideally? <br><br>Mackie's are great=2C not cheap=2C but worth the money=
s. <br>
<br><br><div class=3D"ecxgmail_quote">On Mon=2C Oct 4=2C 2010 at 2:01 PM=2C=
 andrea trabucco <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:andrea.trabucco@=
hotmail.com">andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com</a>&gt=3B</span> wrote:<br><blockq=
uote class=3D"ecxgmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left: 1ex=3B">




<div>
Thank you very much=2C Daniel<br><br>I begin to understand a little bit:)<b=
r><br>ideally I want to have a good control of equalization and volume to b=
e able to make each sound be audible and nice in a multi-layered percussion=
 pieces.. I have surdo=2C snare=2C repique=2C tamborim=2C many instruments =
from Brazil ranging from very low to very high pitch...<br>
<br>I don't anything about impedance but I thought it was not fine to run i=
n an inst input a mic source=2C but it's not a mic it's a mixer so it will =
be fine...:)<br><br>do yuo have any suggestion on mixers to buy=2C a good s=
ounding one but not too expensive? and maybe with that mute function to sol=
ve the problem of feedback and my looping stuff going into the mics during =
playback?<br>
<br>any advice (also the non-requested ones) are very welcome!!<br><br>all =
the best=2C<br><br>Andrea<br><br><br><hr>Date: Mon=2C 4 Oct 2010 13:00:52 -=
0400<br>Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections set-up<br>From: <a =
href=3D"mailto:daniel@ithinkwethink.org">daniel@ithinkwethink.org</a><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@=
loopers-delight.com</a><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br>It really =
depends on how many instruments you'd like to include at once and what leve=
l of control you ideally envision having. <br>
<br>I think that because you have are talking about several percussion piec=
es=2C using a mixer will be super beneficial. At that point=2C you might as=
 well=2C run everything into your mixer (depending on how big it is) and pl=
ug that into your RC-50's stereo in (and then you'll get full capacity with=
 the stereo out=2C too!). This will give you the greatest amount of control=
 over your levels. <br>

<br>It's also super groovy that the RC50 has phantom power=2C individual XL=
R in and volume control. <br><br>I vote mixer! <br><br><br>love=2C<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://danielharris.bandcamp.com" target=3D"_blank">Daniel Harris</a>=
<br>
<br><br><br>
<div>On Mon=2C Oct 4=2C 2010 at 12:26 PM=2C andrea trabucco <span dir=3D"lt=
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=3B">





<div>
Hi Guys!<br><br>New to the looping world I hope someone very kind could hel=
p me:)<br><br>I play several percussion instruments and a little vocals (on=
e condenser mic)<br>Pandeiro (another condenser mic dedicated)<br>Guitar ma=
inly=2C but maybe also bass<br>

<br>How to use my RC - 50 connections wise?<br><br>Mixer=2C no mixer? using=
 send return or the line input? preamp for mic and straight to the mic inpu=
t? Equalizers? I don't have idea how to make a good set-up for a good sound=
=2C no clips=2C feedback etc...<br>

<br>I'd like to have stereo output=2C due to the many musical phases for cl=
arity=2C to be abe to pan pot them L and R...<br><br>Thank you so much!<br>=
<br>Andrea<br><br> 		 	   		  </div>
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Get yourself some sm57s! In my experience doing this kind of stuff they are
just simply the best. Think about mic'ing your percussion setup like you'd
mic a drum kit and try and par it down to two mics.

What are you running everything into at the end? One guitar amp? Bass amp?
PA?

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:40 PM, andrea trabucco <andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com
> wrote:

>  Hi Daniel!
>
> I think that if this project of mine will work, I'd like to use:
>
> guitar, bass, some kind of drum machine or probably better a laptop (I'll
> open a whole new topic on this one, because I'm not used to computer and
> software for making music as you can imagine:)) and maybe 5 or 6 different
> percussion and voice...
>
> I hope I 'l find some mic able to catch panoramiccally all the percussion
> but it's better to have some extra channel in the case this will not be
> possible...
>
> so maybe 4 inst channels plus four mic channels?
>
> Since I'm so unaware of many technological and sound-engineering things, if
> you know or ahave in mine a good set-up for the kind of thing I want to do,
> feel free to advice me of your opinion regarding a set-up that will be
> practical, good sounding and easy to arrange and use live.
>
> thank you again!
>
> Andrea
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:30:18 -0400
>
> Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections set-up
> From: daniel@ithinkwethink.org
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> Hey Andrea,
>
> No prob!
>
> Mixers... Pretty much every mixer is going to have a mute button for each
> channel. How many channels are you looking for, ideally?
>
> Mackie's are great, not cheap, but worth the moneys.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:01 PM, andrea trabucco <
> andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Thank you very much, Daniel
>
> I begin to understand a little bit:)
>
> ideally I want to have a good control of equalization and volume to be able
> to make each sound be audible and nice in a multi-layered percussion
> pieces.. I have surdo, snare, repique, tamborim, many instruments from
> Brazil ranging from very low to very high pitch...
>
> I don't anything about impedance but I thought it was not fine to run in an
> inst input a mic source, but it's not a mic it's a mixer so it will be
> fine...:)
>
> do yuo have any suggestion on mixers to buy, a good sounding one but not
> too expensive? and maybe with that mute function to solve the problem of
> feedback and my looping stuff going into the mics during playback?
>
> any advice (also the non-requested ones) are very welcome!!
>
> all the best,
>
> Andrea
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:00:52 -0400
> Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections set-up
> From: daniel@ithinkwethink.org
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
> It really depends on how many instruments you'd like to include at once and
> what level of control you ideally envision having.
>
> I think that because you have are talking about several percussion pieces,
> using a mixer will be super beneficial. At that point, you might as well,
> run everything into your mixer (depending on how big it is) and plug that
> into your RC-50's stereo in (and then you'll get full capacity with the
> stereo out, too!). This will give you the greatest amount of control over
> your levels.
>
> It's also super groovy that the RC50 has phantom power, individual XLR in
> and volume control.
>
> I vote mixer!
>
>
> love,
> Daniel Harris <http://danielharris.bandcamp.com>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:26 PM, andrea trabucco <
> andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi Guys!
>
> New to the looping world I hope someone very kind could help me:)
>
> I play several percussion instruments and a little vocals (one condenser
> mic)
> Pandeiro (another condenser mic dedicated)
> Guitar mainly, but maybe also bass
>
> How to use my RC - 50 connections wise?
>
> Mixer, no mixer? using send return or the line input? preamp for mic and
> straight to the mic input? Equalizers? I don't have idea how to make a good
> set-up for a good sound, no clips, feedback etc...
>
> I'd like to have stereo output, due to the many musical phases for clarity,
> to be abe to pan pot them L and R...
>
> Thank you so much!
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
>

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Get yourself some sm57s! In my experience doing this kind of stuff they are=
 just simply the best. Think about mic&#39;ing your percussion setup like y=
ou&#39;d mic a drum kit and try and par it down to two mics. <br><br>What a=
re you running everything into at the end? One guitar amp? Bass amp? PA? <b=
r>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:40 PM, andrea trabu=
cco <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com">an=
drea.trabucco@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(20=
4, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">




<div>
Hi Daniel!<br><br>I think that if this project of mine will work, I&#39;d l=
ike to use:<br><br>guitar, bass, some kind of drum machine or probably bett=
er a laptop (I&#39;ll open a whole new topic on this one, because I&#39;m n=
ot used to computer and software for making music as you can imagine:)) and=
 maybe 5 or 6 different percussion and voice...<br>
<br>I hope I &#39;l find some mic able to catch panoramiccally all the perc=
ussion but it&#39;s better to have some extra channel in the case this will=
 not be possible...<br><br>so maybe 4 inst channels plus four mic channels?=
<br>
<br>Since I&#39;m so unaware of many technological and sound-engineering th=
ings, if you know or ahave in mine a good set-up for the kind of thing I wa=
nt to do, feel free to advice me of your opinion regarding a set-up that wi=
ll be practical, good sounding and easy to arrange and use live.<br>
<br>thank you again!<br><br>Andrea<br><br><br><hr>Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:=
30:18 -0400<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>Subject: Re: Help needed w=
ith RC 50 connections set-up<br>From: <a href=3D"mailto:daniel@ithinkwethin=
k.org" target=3D"_blank">daniel@ithinkwethink.org</a><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank=
">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br><br>Hey Andrea, <br><br>No pro=
b! <br><br>Mixers... Pretty much every mixer is going to have a mute button=
 for each channel. How many channels are you looking for, ideally? <br>
<br>Mackie&#39;s are great, not cheap, but worth the moneys. <br>
<br><br><div>On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:01 PM, andrea trabucco <span dir=3D"l=
tr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">an=
drea.trabucco@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"pad=
ding-left: 1ex;">





<div>
Thank you very much, Daniel<br><br>I begin to understand a little bit:)<br>=
<br>ideally I want to have a good control of equalization and volume to be =
able to make each sound be audible and nice in a multi-layered percussion p=
ieces.. I have surdo, snare, repique, tamborim, many instruments from Brazi=
l ranging from very low to very high pitch...<br>

<br>I don&#39;t anything about impedance but I thought it was not fine to r=
un in an inst input a mic source, but it&#39;s not a mic it&#39;s a mixer s=
o it will be fine...:)<br><br>do yuo have any suggestion on mixers to buy, =
a good sounding one but not too expensive? and maybe with that mute functio=
n to solve the problem of feedback and my looping stuff going into the mics=
 during playback?<br>

<br>any advice (also the non-requested ones) are very welcome!!<br><br>all =
the best,<br><br>Andrea<br><br><br><hr>Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:00:52 -0400=
<br>Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections set-up<br>From: <a href=
=3D"mailto:daniel@ithinkwethink.org" target=3D"_blank">daniel@ithinkwethink=
.org</a><br>

To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank=
">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><div><div></div><div><br><br>It re=
ally depends on how many instruments you&#39;d like to include at once and =
what level of control you ideally envision having. <br>

<br>I think that because you have are talking about several percussion piec=
es, using a mixer will be super beneficial. At that point, you might as wel=
l, run everything into your mixer (depending on how big it is) and plug tha=
t into your RC-50&#39;s stereo in (and then you&#39;ll get full capacity wi=
th the stereo out, too!). This will give you the greatest amount of control=
 over your levels. <br>


<br>It&#39;s also super groovy that the RC50 has phantom power, individual =
XLR in and volume control. <br><br>I vote mixer! <br><br><br>love,<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://danielharris.bandcamp.com" target=3D"_blank">Daniel Harris</a>=
<br>

<br><br><br>
<div>On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:26 PM, andrea trabucco <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">andrea.tr=
abucco@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"padding-le=
ft: 1ex;">






<div>
Hi Guys!<br><br>New to the looping world I hope someone very kind could hel=
p me:)<br><br>I play several percussion instruments and a little vocals (on=
e condenser mic)<br>Pandeiro (another condenser mic dedicated)<br>Guitar ma=
inly, but maybe also bass<br>


<br>How to use my RC - 50 connections wise?<br><br>Mixer, no mixer? using s=
end return or the line input? preamp for mic and straight to the mic input?=
 Equalizers? I don&#39;t have idea how to make a good set-up for a good sou=
nd, no clips, feedback etc...<br>


<br>I&#39;d like to have stereo output, due to the many musical phases for =
clarity, to be abe to pan pot them L and R...<br><br>Thank you so much!<br>=
<br>Andrea<br><br> 		 	   		  </div>
</blockquote></div><br> 		 	   		  </div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br> 		 	   		  </div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br>

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I've tried sm57?s but to me soundend too dark and not natural sounding so t=
o speak. I prefer ocndenser but htey have the problem of feedback=2C or may=
be I didn't equalized the sm57 properly...
but is it possible to use only two of them for so many different percussion=
s and timbre=2C and also as panoramic mics?
I'll run everything in a P.A.=2C the only way to have the very low sound ap=
pear in the mix and to have clarity and distinction of the instruments=2C I=
 think...


Date: Mon=2C 4 Oct 2010 14:48:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections set-up
From: daniel@ithinkwethink.org
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Get yourself some sm57s! In my experience doing this kind of stuff they are=
 just simply the best. Think about mic'ing your percussion setup like you'd=
 mic a drum kit and try and par it down to two mics.=20

What are you running everything into at the end? One guitar amp? Bass amp? =
PA?=20


On Mon=2C Oct 4=2C 2010 at 2:40 PM=2C andrea trabucco <andrea.trabucco@hotm=
ail.com> wrote:






Hi Daniel!

I think that if this project of mine will work=2C I'd like to use:

guitar=2C bass=2C some kind of drum machine or probably better a laptop (I'=
ll open a whole new topic on this one=2C because I'm not used to computer a=
nd software for making music as you can imagine:)) and maybe 5 or 6 differe=
nt percussion and voice...


I hope I 'l find some mic able to catch panoramiccally all the percussion b=
ut it's better to have some extra channel in the case this will not be poss=
ible...

so maybe 4 inst channels plus four mic channels?


Since I'm so unaware of many technological and sound-engineering things=2C =
if you know or ahave in mine a good set-up for the kind of thing I want to =
do=2C feel free to advice me of your opinion regarding a set-up that will b=
e practical=2C good sounding and easy to arrange and use live.


thank you again!

Andrea


Date: Mon=2C 4 Oct 2010 14:30:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections set-up
From: daniel@ithinkwethink.org

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Hey Andrea=2C=20

No prob!=20

Mixers... Pretty much every mixer is going to have a mute button for each c=
hannel. How many channels are you looking for=2C ideally?=20


Mackie's are great=2C not cheap=2C but worth the moneys.=20



On Mon=2C Oct 4=2C 2010 at 2:01 PM=2C andrea trabucco <andrea.trabucco@hotm=
ail.com> wrote:







Thank you very much=2C Daniel

I begin to understand a little bit:)

ideally I want to have a good control of equalization and volume to be able=
 to make each sound be audible and nice in a multi-layered percussion piece=
s.. I have surdo=2C snare=2C repique=2C tamborim=2C many instruments from B=
razil ranging from very low to very high pitch...



I don't anything about impedance but I thought it was not fine to run in an=
 inst input a mic source=2C but it's not a mic it's a mixer so it will be f=
ine...:)

do yuo have any suggestion on mixers to buy=2C a good sounding one but not =
too expensive? and maybe with that mute function to solve the problem of fe=
edback and my looping stuff going into the mics during playback?



any advice (also the non-requested ones) are very welcome!!

all the best=2C

Andrea


Date: Mon=2C 4 Oct 2010 13:00:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections set-up
From: daniel@ithinkwethink.org


To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

It really depends on how many instruments you'd like to include at once and=
 what level of control you ideally envision having.=20



I think that because you have are talking about several percussion pieces=
=2C using a mixer will be super beneficial. At that point=2C you might as w=
ell=2C run everything into your mixer (depending on how big it is) and plug=
 that into your RC-50's stereo in (and then you'll get full capacity with t=
he stereo out=2C too!). This will give you the greatest amount of control o=
ver your levels.=20




It's also super groovy that the RC50 has phantom power=2C individual XLR in=
 and volume control.=20

I vote mixer!=20


love=2C
Daniel Harris






On Mon=2C Oct 4=2C 2010 at 12:26 PM=2C andrea trabucco <andrea.trabucco@hot=
mail.com> wrote:








Hi Guys!

New to the looping world I hope someone very kind could help me:)

I play several percussion instruments and a little vocals (one condenser mi=
c)
Pandeiro (another condenser mic dedicated)
Guitar mainly=2C but maybe also bass




How to use my RC - 50 connections wise?

Mixer=2C no mixer? using send return or the line input? preamp for mic and =
straight to the mic input? Equalizers? I don't have idea how to make a good=
 set-up for a good sound=2C no clips=2C feedback etc...




I'd like to have stereo output=2C due to the many musical phases for clarit=
y=2C to be abe to pan pot them L and R...

Thank you so much!

Andrea

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I've tried sm57?s but to me soundend too dark and not natural sounding so t=
o speak. I prefer ocndenser but htey have the problem of feedback=2C or may=
be I didn't equalized the sm57 properly...<br>but is it possible to use onl=
y two of them for so many different percussions and timbre=2C and also as p=
anoramic mics?<br>I'll run everything in a P.A.=2C the only way to have the=
 very low sound appear in the mix and to have clarity and distinction of th=
e instruments=2C I think...<br><br><br><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Date: Mon=2C=
 4 Oct 2010 14:48:00 -0400<br>Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connectio=
ns set-up<br>From: daniel@ithinkwethink.org<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-=
delight.com<br><br>Get yourself some sm57s! In my experience doing this kin=
d of stuff they are just simply the best. Think about mic'ing your percussi=
on setup like you'd mic a drum kit and try and par it down to two mics. <br=
><br>What are you running everything into at the end? One guitar amp? Bass =
amp? PA? <br>
<br><div class=3D"ecxgmail_quote">On Mon=2C Oct 4=2C 2010 at 2:40 PM=2C and=
rea trabucco <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:andrea.trabucco@hotm=
ail.com">andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com</a>&gt=3B</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
 class=3D"ecxgmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left: 1ex=3B">




<div>
Hi Daniel!<br><br>I think that if this project of mine will work=2C I'd lik=
e to use:<br><br>guitar=2C bass=2C some kind of drum machine or probably be=
tter a laptop (I'll open a whole new topic on this one=2C because I'm not u=
sed to computer and software for making music as you can imagine:)) and may=
be 5 or 6 different percussion and voice...<br>
<br>I hope I 'l find some mic able to catch panoramiccally all the percussi=
on but it's better to have some extra channel in the case this will not be =
possible...<br><br>so maybe 4 inst channels plus four mic channels?<br>
<br>Since I'm so unaware of many technological and sound-engineering things=
=2C if you know or ahave in mine a good set-up for the kind of thing I want=
 to do=2C feel free to advice me of your opinion regarding a set-up that wi=
ll be practical=2C good sounding and easy to arrange and use live.<br>
<br>thank you again!<br><br>Andrea<br><br><br><hr>Date: Mon=2C 4 Oct 2010 1=
4:30:18 -0400<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>Subject: Re: Help needed=
 with RC 50 connections set-up<br>From: <a href=3D"mailto:daniel@ithinkweth=
ink.org">daniel@ithinkwethink.org</a><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@=
loopers-delight.com</a><br><br>Hey Andrea=2C <br><br>No prob! <br><br>Mixer=
s... Pretty much every mixer is going to have a mute button for each channe=
l. How many channels are you looking for=2C ideally? <br>
<br>Mackie's are great=2C not cheap=2C but worth the moneys. <br>
<br><br><div>On Mon=2C Oct 4=2C 2010 at 2:01 PM=2C andrea trabucco <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com">andrea.trabu=
cco@hotmail.com</a>&gt=3B</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"padding-lef=
t: 1ex=3B">





<div>
Thank you very much=2C Daniel<br><br>I begin to understand a little bit:)<b=
r><br>ideally I want to have a good control of equalization and volume to b=
e able to make each sound be audible and nice in a multi-layered percussion=
 pieces.. I have surdo=2C snare=2C repique=2C tamborim=2C many instruments =
from Brazil ranging from very low to very high pitch...<br>

<br>I don't anything about impedance but I thought it was not fine to run i=
n an inst input a mic source=2C but it's not a mic it's a mixer so it will =
be fine...:)<br><br>do yuo have any suggestion on mixers to buy=2C a good s=
ounding one but not too expensive? and maybe with that mute function to sol=
ve the problem of feedback and my looping stuff going into the mics during =
playback?<br>

<br>any advice (also the non-requested ones) are very welcome!!<br><br>all =
the best=2C<br><br>Andrea<br><br><br><hr>Date: Mon=2C 4 Oct 2010 13:00:52 -=
0400<br>Subject: Re: Help needed with RC 50 connections set-up<br>From: <a =
href=3D"mailto:daniel@ithinkwethink.org">daniel@ithinkwethink.org</a><br>

To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@=
loopers-delight.com</a><div><div></div><div><br><br>It really depends on ho=
w many instruments you'd like to include at once and what level of control =
you ideally envision having. <br>

<br>I think that because you have are talking about several percussion piec=
es=2C using a mixer will be super beneficial. At that point=2C you might as=
 well=2C run everything into your mixer (depending on how big it is) and pl=
ug that into your RC-50's stereo in (and then you'll get full capacity with=
 the stereo out=2C too!). This will give you the greatest amount of control=
 over your levels. <br>


<br>It's also super groovy that the RC50 has phantom power=2C individual XL=
R in and volume control. <br><br>I vote mixer! <br><br><br>love=2C<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://danielharris.bandcamp.com" target=3D"_blank">Daniel Harris</a>=
<br>

<br><br><br>
<div>On Mon=2C Oct 4=2C 2010 at 12:26 PM=2C andrea trabucco <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:andrea.trabucco@hotmail.com">andrea.trabucco@hot=
mail.com</a>&gt=3B</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 1ex=
=3B">






<div>
Hi Guys!<br><br>New to the looping world I hope someone very kind could hel=
p me:)<br><br>I play several percussion instruments and a little vocals (on=
e condenser mic)<br>Pandeiro (another condenser mic dedicated)<br>Guitar ma=
inly=2C but maybe also bass<br>


<br>How to use my RC - 50 connections wise?<br><br>Mixer=2C no mixer? using=
 send return or the line input? preamp for mic and straight to the mic inpu=
t? Equalizers? I don't have idea how to make a good set-up for a good sound=
=2C no clips=2C feedback etc...<br>


<br>I'd like to have stereo output=2C due to the many musical phases for cl=
arity=2C to be abe to pan pot them L and R...<br><br>Thank you so much!<br>=
<br>Andrea<br><br> 		 	   		  </div>
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Bill,
This is a great vintage video clip. Btw: who is who? ;-)

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Sjaak Overgaauw schrieb:
> Bill,
> This is a great vintage video clip. Btw: who is who? ;-)
>   
Should be a simple one: the drummer is Rick, the guitarist is Bill. I'm 
not entirely sure about that vocalist sitting in - Per, is that you?

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You missed the point that Andy was making.

You need to understand the concept of the EDP Source offset number? This is
a parameter located on the midi row and the multiply column of the EDP.
If you check there, the number is likely to be 36 (the default) It is THIS
number that you add to the note number in the chart.
Record = 2
Overdub = 3
Multiply = 4
Insert = 5
Undo = 7
NextLoop = 8

Therfore... for Instance. Your offset = 36. Record Function = 2. Enter 38

SO... bring in the second EDP...

Set the offset to much higher... (or lower maybe???)  I forget what it can
be right now, and re calulate all your numbers...

for Instance. Your offset = 5. Record Function = 2. Enter 7


So 7 will trigger EDP 2 into record and 38 will trigger EDP 1 into record...

Need more clarification...?

http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=593


:-)

Mark






On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:10 PM, ^|>^m <will.it.go.round@gmail.com> wrote:

> ^|>^m wrote:
>
>> Is there any way to use my FCB1010 to control two EDP's that are assigned
>> separate midi channels (1 & 7)?  I still want to be able to control them
>> independently from my computer, but I'd like to control both of them at the
>> same time using the fcb1010.
>>
>
> *No, put both edps on the same channel and configure the Source# parameter
> on the edps so that they each use a different range of note-On.
>
> Andy*
>
> The FCB1010 only sends one note value per button - if it sent two this
> would totally work.  I tried CC#'s (it send two) which worked, but I
> couldn't do any long presses, like to erase the loop or reset all loops - so
> that's out.
>
> I'm thinking I need one of these in the middle to map all the notes coming
> in on Channel 1 to Channel 7: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm I
> hope there is no latency issue.
>
>
>
>
>


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You missed the point that Andy was making.<br><br>You need to understand th=
e concept of the EDP Source offset number? This is a parameter located on t=
he midi row and the multiply column of the EDP.<br>If you check there, the =
number is likely to be 36 (the default) It is THIS number that you add to t=
he note number in the chart.<br>

Record =3D 2<br>
Overdub =3D 3<br>
Multiply =3D 4<br>
Insert =3D 5<br>
Undo =3D 7<br>
NextLoop =3D 8<br><br>Therfore... for Instance. Your offset =3D 36. Record =
Function =3D 2. Enter 38<br><br>SO... bring in the second EDP... <br><br>Se=
t the offset to much higher... (or lower maybe???)=A0 I forget what it can =
be right now, and re calulate all your numbers... <br>

<br>for Instance. Your offset =3D 5. Record Function =3D 2. Enter 7<br><br>=
<br>So 7 will trigger EDP 2 into record and 38 will trigger EDP 1 into reco=
rd...<br><br>Need more clarification...?<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.markf=
rancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D593">http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=
=3D593</a><br>

<br><br>:-)<br><br>Mark<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:10 PM, ^|&gt;^m <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:will.it.go.round@gmail.com">will.it.go.round@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">^|&gt;^m wrote:<b=
r>
<div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; =
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Is there any way to use my FCB1010 to control two EDP&#39;s that are assign=
ed separate midi channels (1 &amp; 7)? =A0I still want to be able to contro=
l them independently from my computer, but I&#39;d like to control both of =
them at the same time using the fcb1010.<br>



</blockquote>
<br></div>
<i>No, put both edps on the same channel and configure the Source# paramete=
r on the edps so that they each use a different range of note-On.<br><font =
color=3D"#888888">
</font><br>Andy</i><br><br>The FCB1010 only sends one note value per button=
 - if it sent two this would totally work.=A0 I tried CC#&#39;s (it send tw=
o) which worked, but I couldn&#39;t do any long presses, like to erase the =
loop or reset all loops - so that&#39;s out.<br>


<br>I&#39;m thinking I need one of these in the middle to map all the notes=
 coming in on Channel 1 to Channel 7: <a href=3D"http://www.midisolutions.c=
om/prodevp.htm" target=3D"_blank">http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm<=
/a> I hope there is no latency issue.<br>


<font color=3D"#888888">
</font><br><font color=3D"#888888">
</font><br><font color=3D"#888888">
</font><br><br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D=
"http://www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markfrancomb=
e<br>

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<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

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Yeah - get a second looper and a channel a/b switch, and practice
transitioning from one to another. Doing this right is still the
hardest part of my live sets - finding a way to get out of that
"infinite" DL-4 loop.

Basically I have a DL-4 going into one mixer channel, and a pair of
old 4 second loopers in sequence going into another mixer channel.
(The 4 second loopers are also great for introducing elements that
don't repeat at the same intervals as the main loop - making it sound
less 'canned'.)

This setup leads to a lot of DJ style thinking: Has this "song" been
going on too long? How do I transition it into the next "song"? Should
it be smooth and graceful, or just a sudden cut? Or should I stop
looping all together and play only "live" for a while?

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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
> In endeavoring to strip my rig down, I've been playing with just the loop=
er in the Line 6 M13. This is fun, but I find myself recording a loop and t=
hen just leaving it be while I play over the top. From a live looping stand=
point, this feels like cheating. Everything turns into one long ambient gui=
tar solo over a static loop which isn't really what I was after. Yes, I cou=
ld go play with half speed and reverse and sometimes I do, but I still end =
up back at the soloing over a static loop point fairly quickly. Any advice?=
 Does feedback work well enough on the M13 to make it viable for loop evolu=
tion? (I'm finding my existing expression pedals don't seem to give all tha=
t precise control with Line 6 equipment.) Or is it time to wire the EDP bac=
k into the set up?
>
> Mark
>
>

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*Therfore... for Instance. Your offset = 36. Record Function = 2. Enter 38

SO... bring in the second EDP...

Set the offset to much higher... (or lower maybe???)  I forget what it can
be right now, and re calulate all your numbers...

for Instance. Your offset = 5. Record Function = 2. Enter 7


So 7 will trigger EDP 2 into record and 38 will trigger EDP 1 into record...

Need more clarification...?*

So based on your example... how would I send a 7 and a 38 *at the same
time*to start recording on both units
*at the same time* with *one pedal press* on the fcb1010?

It seems like I could send a 7 OR 38 but not 7 AND 38 (because the FCB1010
only sends one note per pedal press).  Please tell me I am stupid and wrong.

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<i>Therfore... for Instance. Your offset =3D 36. Record Function =3D 2. Ent=
er 38<br><br>SO... bring in the second EDP... <br><br>Set the offset to muc=
h higher... (or lower maybe???)=A0 I forget what it can be right now, and r=
e calulate all your numbers... <br>
<br>for Instance. Your offset =3D 5. Record Function =3D 2. Enter 7<br><br>=
<br>So 7 will trigger EDP 2 into record and 38 will trigger EDP 1 into reco=
rd...<br><br>Need more clarification...?</i>

<br><br>So based on your example... how would I send a 7 and a 38 <i>at the=
 same time</i> to start recording on both units <i>at the same time</i> wit=
h <u>one pedal press</u> on the fcb1010?<br><br>It seems like I could send =
a 7 OR 38 but not 7 AND 38 (because the FCB1010 only sends one note per ped=
al press).=A0 Please tell me I am stupid and wrong.<br>
<br>Adam<br><div class=3D"h5"><br></div>

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Any word on the release? I order mine on the 23rd and emailed a couple =
times to get the ups tracking number but I haven't heard anything back =
form them yet.

Todd Matthews
On Sep 27, 2010, at 3:51 PM, William Walker wrote:

> Hey Keith,
> h how long before the midi adaptor is available. hardware using =
inquiring minds want to know.
> congratulations on the release.
> Bill
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Ok, I got positive reaction from Rick, Bill and Lele!
does the silent majority agree or not care?

I actually hoped that someone would help with the wording and =
announcement...
should we announce it on the site before the festival?
send an email to all participants so they can get prepared?

Is someone going to video the festival?


On 3 Oct 2010, at 01:50, Bassi Lele wrote:

> I Like it, Matthias !!!
> =20
> Lele Bassi
>=20
> From: Matthias Grob
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 6:28 PM
> To: Loop List
> Subject: Y2k hits collection
>=20
> Friends,
>=20
> I woke up this morning thinking:
>=20
> although I hate musical competition, it might be interesting to =
balance the loopers contest a little.
> many of us feel strange that art is categorized by the brand of =
equipment used, even more so, because the smartest looping artists =
usually do not use the Boss tools.
> all the Boss contest contributions come up on youtube now and I have =
to gather them at youtube.com/livelooping in order to not behave as =
ignoring as Boss does, so I could open a playlist with contests and =
include the Boss and Y2K ones, or two separate playlists - we can =
discuss this here or on youtube or on Facebook...
>=20
> I think we should keep it simple and friendly (rather not call it =
contest?):
> each y2k player could point at one of his pieces which he thinks would =
have the most public success and a reasonable length (the HIT) and we =
would record those and show them either at the y2k site or on =
youtube.com/livelooping or both
> and then have people vote on them or so and maybe rather select the 10 =
best instead of the 1 best...
>=20
> I think its natural that some musicians to it "better" than others. =
there is no measure for that except for "taste" which is different for =
each listener, so I do not think we have to define any criteria or =
discuss about "what is quality" (if you are interested in this question, =
I recommend the book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintainance" by =
http://en.wikipediaorg/wiki/Robert_M._Pirsig ) - but we can, its also =
interesting...
>=20
> this may bring some new awareness to the festival itself
> and spread better to the world what happens there
> and the result may be more interesting than what Boss collected, at =
least more open... :-)
>=20
> what do you think?
> Matthias
>=20
>=20
>=20
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<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Ok, I got positive reaction from Rick, Bill and Lele!<div>does the silent majority agree or not care?</div><div><br></div><div>I actually hoped that someone would help with the wording and announcement...</div><div>should we announce it on the site before the festival?</div><div>send an email to all participants so they can get prepared?</div><div><br></div><div>Is someone going to video the festival?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div><div>On 3 Oct 2010, at 01:50, Bassi Lele wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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!!!</strong></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="4">Lele Bassi</font></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:matilists@gmail.com
Ctrl + clic per seguire il collegamento" href="mailto:matilists@gmail.com">Matthias Grob</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 02, 2010 6:28 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loop List</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Y2k hits collection</div></div></div>
<div><br></div>Friends, 
<div><br>I woke up this morning thinking:<br><br>although I hate musical 
competition, it might be interesting to balance the loopers contest a 
little.</div>
<div>many of us feel strange that art is categorized by the brand of equipment 
used, even more so, because the smartest looping artists usually do not use the 
Boss tools.<br>all the Boss contest contributions come up on youtube now and I 
have to gather them at <a href="http://youtube.com/livelooping">youtube.com/livelooping</a> in order to 
not behave as ignoring as Boss does, so I could open a playlist with contests 
and include the&nbsp;Boss and Y2K ones, or two separate playlists - we can 
discuss this here or on youtube or on Facebook...</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I think we should keep it simple and friendly (rather not call it 
contest?):<br>each y2k player could point at one of his pieces which he thinks 
would have the most public success and a reasonable length (the HIT) and we 
would record those and show them either at the y2k site or on <a href="http://youtube.com/livelooping">youtube.com/livelooping</a> or both<br>and 
then have people vote on them or so and maybe rather select the 10 best instead 
of the 1 best...</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I think its natural that some musicians to it "better" than others. there 
is no measure for that except for "taste" which is different for each listener, 
so I do not think we have to define any criteria or discuss about "what is 
quality" (if you are interested in this question, I recommend the book "Zen and 
the art of motorcycle maintainance" by&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Pirsig">http://en.wikipediaorg/wiki/Robert_M._Pirsig</a>&nbsp;) 
- but we can, its also interesting...</div>
<div><br>this may bring some new awareness to the festival itself</div>
<div>and spread better to the world what happens there<br>and the result may be 
more interesting than what Boss collected, at least more open... :-)<br><br>what 
do you think?<br>Matthias</div><div>
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Hi Andrea,

I've toured all over the world as a multi-percussionist
and here's what I've found works:


Buy yourself an AKG C1000s microphone ($200 (USD) each or sometimes
available for 2 for $300 USD)

It's a condenser but it comes with a little plastic 'focusing' cone that 
you can
screw on that turns the mic into an ultra hyper cardioid pattern (thus 
eliminating
most feedback).

I'd also highly recommend that you invest in a decent set of
in ear monitors (for just your own monitoring).     Using
open ear plugs you can hear the other instrumentalists but you can
control your own volume with no danger of feedback whatsoever.

Do not be fooled into buy the expensive in ear monitor headphones.
Just invest in a good set of in ear headphones for a stereo.
I use a Shure wireless system.  It was relatively inexpensive (around 
$400 at the
time I bought it), it's light weight and it's amazing.

You can set up off stage at a music festival and get your sound 
completely dialed
in without disturbing anyone.   It has so radically reduced my anxiety 
touring
around the world when you are faced with really tough festival 
conditions and no
time to set up.

Additionally, I recommend that you either purchase or have someone
wire you a mic cable that has a silent on-off switch and then have the 
discpline
to continually turn your microphone off when you are not recording your 
loops.

There will be some venues where you will get feedback because of the 
particular
acoustics in the room.

Because of this I try to take either a Shure Beta 58 ($180 USD) or , 
better yer,
a Shure Beta 57 ($175 USD) to use instead of the C1000s.

You can pick them up cheaper and the Shures generally are very rugged so
buying a used one generally is a good bet.

The Beta Shures not only have a better frequency response than the older 
SM57 and SM58
(I've seen tablas sound like god with these puppies) and they also 
reject feedback at much higher
volumes than the older Shure SM57.

My last piece of advice for you is to be very, very careful if you use 
any kind of
frame drum..................the large parallel surface of the drum can 
be an instant
reflector for feedback coming from the monitors.

Some frame drummers (and other percussionists) will additionally use 
something
like a Schertler pickup that sticks inside of the drum.

Personally,  I just don't think this solution gets the nuance one needs 
from the drums
and, additionally, one cannot take advantate of the proximity effect 
that a good dynamic
microphone has which can be a great way of nuancing a performance.

A trick I love is to bring the mic right down on the frame drum or 
ghatam so that
it begins to feedback at the pitch of the fundamental frequency of the 
head.
By bending the head one can 'play' the feedback to end a song effectively.

Good luck and don't hesitate to write me if you need more advice along 
these lines.

yours,   Rick


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You're a wonderful man, Rick Walker!
richard sales
www.glasswing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com

On Oct 4, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

>=20
> Hi Andrea,
>=20
> I've toured all over the world as a multi-percussionist
> and here's what I've found works:
>=20
>=20
> Buy yourself an AKG C1000s microphone ($200 (USD) each or sometimes
> available for 2 for $300 USD)
>=20
> It's a condenser but it comes with a little plastic 'focusing' cone =
that you can
> screw on that turns the mic into an ultra hyper cardioid pattern (thus =
eliminating
> most feedback).
>=20
> I'd also highly recommend that you invest in a decent set of
> in ear monitors (for just your own monitoring).     Using
> open ear plugs you can hear the other instrumentalists but you can
> control your own volume with no danger of feedback whatsoever.
>=20
> Do not be fooled into buy the expensive in ear monitor headphones.
> Just invest in a good set of in ear headphones for a stereo.
> I use a Shure wireless system.  It was relatively inexpensive (around =
$400 at the
> time I bought it), it's light weight and it's amazing.
>=20
> You can set up off stage at a music festival and get your sound =
completely dialed
> in without disturbing anyone.   It has so radically reduced my anxiety =
touring
> around the world when you are faced with really tough festival =
conditions and no
> time to set up.
>=20
> Additionally, I recommend that you either purchase or have someone
> wire you a mic cable that has a silent on-off switch and then have the =
discpline
> to continually turn your microphone off when you are not recording =
your loops.
>=20
> There will be some venues where you will get feedback because of the =
particular
> acoustics in the room.
>=20
> Because of this I try to take either a Shure Beta 58 ($180 USD) or , =
better yer,
> a Shure Beta 57 ($175 USD) to use instead of the C1000s.
>=20
> You can pick them up cheaper and the Shures generally are very rugged =
so
> buying a used one generally is a good bet.
>=20
> The Beta Shures not only have a better frequency response than the =
older SM57 and SM58
> (I've seen tablas sound like god with these puppies) and they also =
reject feedback at much higher
> volumes than the older Shure SM57.
>=20
> My last piece of advice for you is to be very, very careful if you use =
any kind of
> frame drum..................the large parallel surface of the drum can =
be an instant
> reflector for feedback coming from the monitors.
>=20
> Some frame drummers (and other percussionists) will additionally use =
something
> like a Schertler pickup that sticks inside of the drum.
>=20
> Personally,  I just don't think this solution gets the nuance one =
needs from the drums
> and, additionally, one cannot take advantate of the proximity effect =
that a good dynamic
> microphone has which can be a great way of nuancing a performance.
>=20
> A trick I love is to bring the mic right down on the frame drum or =
ghatam so that
> it begins to feedback at the pitch of the fundamental frequency of the =
head.
> By bending the head one can 'play' the feedback to end a song =
effectively.
>=20
> Good luck and don't hesitate to write me if you need more advice along =
these lines.
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> yours,   Rick
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div>On Oct 4, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Rick Walker wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><br>Hi =
Andrea,<br><br>I've toured all over the world as a =
multi-percussionist<br>and here's what I've found works:<br><br><br>Buy =
yourself an AKG C1000s microphone ($200 (USD) each or =
sometimes<br>available for 2 for $300 USD)<br><br>It's a condenser but =
it comes with a little plastic 'focusing' cone that you can<br>screw on =
that turns the mic into an ultra hyper cardioid pattern (thus =
eliminating<br>most feedback).<br><br>I'd also highly recommend that you =
invest in a decent set of<br>in ear monitors (for just your own =
monitoring). &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Using<br>open ear plugs you can =
hear the other instrumentalists but you can<br>control your own volume =
with no danger of feedback whatsoever.<br><br>Do not be fooled into buy =
the expensive in ear monitor headphones.<br>Just invest in a good set of =
in ear headphones for a stereo.<br>I use a Shure wireless system. =
&nbsp;It was relatively inexpensive (around $400 at the<br>time I bought =
it), it's light weight and it's amazing.<br><br>You can set up off stage =
at a music festival and get your sound completely dialed<br>in without =
disturbing anyone. &nbsp;&nbsp;It has so radically reduced my anxiety =
touring<br>around the world when you are faced with really tough =
festival conditions and no<br>time to set up.<br><br>Additionally, I =
recommend that you either purchase or have someone<br>wire you a mic =
cable that has a silent on-off switch and then have the discpline<br>to =
continually turn your microphone off when you are not recording your =
loops.<br><br>There will be some venues where you will get feedback =
because of the particular<br>acoustics in the room.<br><br>Because of =
this I try to take either a Shure Beta 58 ($180 USD) or , better =
yer,<br>a Shure Beta 57 ($175 USD) to use instead of the =
C1000s.<br><br>You can pick them up cheaper and the Shures generally are =
very rugged so<br>buying a used one generally is a good bet.<br><br>The =
Beta Shures not only have a better frequency response than the older =
SM57 and SM58<br>(I've seen tablas sound like god with these puppies) =
and they also reject feedback at much higher<br>volumes than the older =
Shure SM57.<br><br>My last piece of advice for you is to be very, very =
careful if you use any kind of<br>frame drum..................the large =
parallel surface of the drum can be an instant<br>reflector for feedback =
coming from the monitors.<br><br>Some frame drummers (and other =
percussionists) will additionally use something<br>like a Schertler =
pickup that sticks inside of the drum.<br><br>Personally, &nbsp;I just =
don't think this solution gets the nuance one needs from the =
drums<br>and, additionally, one cannot take advantate of the proximity =
effect that a good dynamic<br>microphone has which can be a great way of =
nuancing a performance.<br><br>A trick I love is to bring the mic right =
down on the frame drum or ghatam so that<br>it begins to feedback at the =
pitch of the fundamental frequency of the head.<br>By bending the head =
one can 'play' the feedback to end a song effectively.<br><br>Good luck =
and don't hesitate to write me if you need more advice along these =
lines.<br><br>yours, =
&nbsp;&nbsp;Rick<br><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>=

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Thats a sharp eye you have there Rainer, in fact that is Per on lead  
vocals and me playing the black strat ( a large headstock 4 bolt   
transition era late 60's/ 70's model, a Jimi guitar, if you will )  
wish I still had it, and the hair to go with it.
True story,  sometime in the early 70's Rick and I were sitting in a  
salon in  waiting to get our chests waxed when in walks Per for a full  
body wax and mullet!!!!! We knew right away he was our lead singer /  
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or played in his life.! I'M NOT KIDDING!!!!!!!  6 months later we were  
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  Bill

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Per wow that's terrible re your support but glad you are still finding a wa=
y
to make the journey.  Looking forward to seeing you again.  I'm going to be
there Friday the 17th through Monday the 18th.  Ted sorry you won't make th=
e
brunch, this is the first year I've ever been able to be there for it.
Mark, Jeff of course looking forward to meeting you guys.

Jim

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Good to hear that you're coming, Ted! :-)  I've been less lucky this
> time; just received word today that I won't get the grant I applied
> for to cover traveling costs. Since it is too close to call off the
> flight tickets I will go anyway on borrowed money that I will have to
> bring in somehow later on. Oh well, shit happens as they say. But at
> least bad economy doesn't spoil a great party!!! I'm very excited
> about meeting everyone :-)
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>
>
> > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:39 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net=
>
> > wrote:
> >> Well,
> >> The closer we get to the festival, the more things are falling into
> place
> >> so I can attend it this year.
> >> I got the time off work.
> >> Got permission from the wife.
> >> And I just booked my hotel accommodation through Priceline.com.
> >> Woohoo!
> >> The only bummer is that I have to work on Monday the 18th.
> >> So that means I will have to start driving back on Sunday, missing mos=
t
> of
> >> that day's performances, and miss out on Monday's looper brunch once
> again
> >> too.
> >>
> >> Sigh...
> >>
> >> But I will be there from Wednesday the 13th through Sunday Morning the
> >> 17th.
> >>
> >> If anyone wants to meet up for a meal or a beer somewhere in that span
> of
> >> time I am pretty open.
> >>
> >> Ted
>
>


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Per wow that&#39;s terrible re your support but glad you are still finding =
a way to make the journey.=A0 Looking forward to seeing you again.=A0 I&#39=
;m going to be there Friday the 17th through Monday the 18th.=A0 Ted sorry =
you won&#39;t make the brunch, this is the first year I&#39;ve ever been ab=
le to be there for it.=A0 Mark, Jeff of course looking forward to meeting y=
ou guys.<br>
<br>Jim<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:16 AM, =
Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">per=
boysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 2=
04); padding-left: 1ex;">
Good to hear that you&#39;re coming, Ted! :-) =A0I&#39;ve been less lucky t=
his<br>
time; just received word today that I won&#39;t get the grant I applied<br>
for to cover traveling costs. Since it is too close to call off the<br>
flight tickets I will go anyway on borrowed money that I will have to<br>
bring in somehow later on. Oh well, shit happens as they say. But at<br>
least bad economy doesn&#39;t spoil a great party!!! I&#39;m very excited<b=
r>
about meeting everyone :-)<br>
<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.looproom.com" target=3D"_blank">www.looproom.com</a> =
internet music hub<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:39 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
tedkillian@charter.net">tedkillian@charter.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Well,<br>
&gt;&gt; The closer we get to the festival, the more things are falling int=
o place<br>
&gt;&gt; so I can attend it this year.<br>
&gt;&gt; I got the time off work.<br>
&gt;&gt; Got permission from the wife.<br>
&gt;&gt; And I just booked my hotel accommodation through Priceline.com.<br=
>
&gt;&gt; Woohoo!<br>
&gt;&gt; The only bummer is that I have to work on Monday the 18th.<br>
&gt;&gt; So that means I will have to start driving back on Sunday, missing=
 most of<br>
&gt;&gt; that day&#39;s performances, and miss out on Monday&#39;s looper b=
runch once again<br>
&gt;&gt; too.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Sigh...<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; But I will be there from Wednesday the 13th through Sunday Morning=
 the<br>
&gt;&gt; 17th.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; If anyone wants to meet up for a meal or a beer somewhere in that =
span of<br>
&gt;&gt; time I am pretty open.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Ted<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>From Brookl=
yn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter T=
h=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds<br>from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF Internati=
onal.=A0 <a href=3D"http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com">jimgoodinpeter=
thorn.bandcamp.com</a>.<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br=
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jajajajajajjaajajajajaja!!!!

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Rainer Straschill
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> Sjaak Overgaauw schrieb:
>
>  Bill,
>> This is a great vintage video clip. Btw: who is who? ;-)
>>
>>
> Should be a simple one: the drummer is Rick, the guitarist is Bill. I'm not
> entirely sure about that vocalist sitting in - Per, is that you?
>
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jajajajajajjaajajajajaja!!!!<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct =
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<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Sjaak Overgaauw s=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Bill,<br>
This is a great vintage video clip. Btw: who is who? ;-)<br>
 =A0<br>
</blockquote></div>
Should be a simple one: the drummer is Rick, the guitarist is Bill. I&#39;m=
 not entirely sure about that vocalist sitting in - Per, is that you?<br><f=
ont color=3D"#888888">
<br>
-- <br>
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can you sing us that same song at the festival?

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com>wrote:

> jajajajajajjaajajajajaja!!!!
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Rainer Straschill <
> moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sjaak Overgaauw schrieb:
>>
>>  Bill,
>>> This is a great vintage video clip. Btw: who is who? ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> Should be a simple one: the drummer is Rick, the guitarist is Bill. I'm
>> not entirely sure about that vocalist sitting in - Per, is that you?
>>
>> --
>> http://moinlabs.de
>> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs
>>
>>
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can you sing us that same song at the festival?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Louie Angulo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
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ajajaja!!!!<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">
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r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Bill,<br>
This is a great vintage video clip. Btw: who is who? ;-)<br>
 =A0<br>
</blockquote></div>
Should be a simple one: the drummer is Rick, the guitarist is Bill. I&#39;m=
 not entirely sure about that vocalist sitting in - Per, is that you?<br><f=
ont color=3D"#888888">
<br>
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useful information bro thanx!

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Andrea,
>
> I've toured all over the world as a multi-percussionist
> and here's what I've found works:
>
>
> Buy yourself an AKG C1000s microphone ($200 (USD) each or sometimes
> available for 2 for $300 USD)
>
> It's a condenser but it comes with a little plastic 'focusing' cone that
> you can
> screw on that turns the mic into an ultra hyper cardioid pattern (thus
> eliminating
> most feedback).
>
> I'd also highly recommend that you invest in a decent set of
> in ear monitors (for just your own monitoring).     Using
> open ear plugs you can hear the other instrumentalists but you can
> control your own volume with no danger of feedback whatsoever.
>
> Do not be fooled into buy the expensive in ear monitor headphones.
> Just invest in a good set of in ear headphones for a stereo.
> I use a Shure wireless system.  It was relatively inexpensive (around $400
> at the
> time I bought it), it's light weight and it's amazing.
>
> You can set up off stage at a music festival and get your sound completely
> dialed
> in without disturbing anyone.   It has so radically reduced my anxiety
> touring
> around the world when you are faced with really tough festival conditions
> and no
> time to set up.
>
> Additionally, I recommend that you either purchase or have someone
> wire you a mic cable that has a silent on-off switch and then have the
> discpline
> to continually turn your microphone off when you are not recording your
> loops.
>
> There will be some venues where you will get feedback because of the
> particular
> acoustics in the room.
>
> Because of this I try to take either a Shure Beta 58 ($180 USD) or , better
> yer,
> a Shure Beta 57 ($175 USD) to use instead of the C1000s.
>
> You can pick them up cheaper and the Shures generally are very rugged so
> buying a used one generally is a good bet.
>
> The Beta Shures not only have a better frequency response than the older
> SM57 and SM58
> (I've seen tablas sound like god with these puppies) and they also reject
> feedback at much higher
> volumes than the older Shure SM57.
>
> My last piece of advice for you is to be very, very careful if you use any
> kind of
> frame drum..................the large parallel surface of the drum can be
> an instant
> reflector for feedback coming from the monitors.
>
> Some frame drummers (and other percussionists) will additionally use
> something
> like a Schertler pickup that sticks inside of the drum.
>
> Personally,  I just don't think this solution gets the nuance one needs
> from the drums
> and, additionally, one cannot take advantate of the proximity effect that a
> good dynamic
> microphone has which can be a great way of nuancing a performance.
>
> A trick I love is to bring the mic right down on the frame drum or ghatam
> so that
> it begins to feedback at the pitch of the fundamental frequency of the
> head.
> By bending the head one can 'play' the feedback to end a song effectively.
>
> Good luck and don't hesitate to write me if you need more advice along
> these lines.
>
> yours,   Rick
>
>
>

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useful information bro thanx!<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct=
 5, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Rick Walker <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lo=
oppool@cruzio.com">looppool@cruzio.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px=
 solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
Hi Andrea,<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve toured all over the world as a multi-percussionist<br>
and here&#39;s what I&#39;ve found works:<br>
<br>
<br>
Buy yourself an AKG C1000s microphone ($200 (USD) each or sometimes<br>
available for 2 for $300 USD)<br>
<br>
It&#39;s a condenser but it comes with a little plastic &#39;focusing&#39; =
cone that you can<br>
screw on that turns the mic into an ultra hyper cardioid pattern (thus elim=
inating<br>
most feedback).<br>
<br>
I&#39;d also highly recommend that you invest in a decent set of<br>
in ear monitors (for just your own monitoring). =A0 =A0 Using<br>
open ear plugs you can hear the other instrumentalists but you can<br>
control your own volume with no danger of feedback whatsoever.<br>
<br>
Do not be fooled into buy the expensive in ear monitor headphones.<br>
Just invest in a good set of in ear headphones for a stereo.<br>
I use a Shure wireless system. =A0It was relatively inexpensive (around $40=
0 at the<br>
time I bought it), it&#39;s light weight and it&#39;s amazing.<br>
<br>
You can set up off stage at a music festival and get your sound completely =
dialed<br>
in without disturbing anyone. =A0 It has so radically reduced my anxiety to=
uring<br>
around the world when you are faced with really tough festival conditions a=
nd no<br>
time to set up.<br>
<br>
Additionally, I recommend that you either purchase or have someone<br>
wire you a mic cable that has a silent on-off switch and then have the disc=
pline<br>
to continually turn your microphone off when you are not recording your loo=
ps.<br>
<br>
There will be some venues where you will get feedback because of the partic=
ular<br>
acoustics in the room.<br>
<br>
Because of this I try to take either a Shure Beta 58 ($180 USD) or , better=
 yer,<br>
a Shure Beta 57 ($175 USD) to use instead of the C1000s.<br>
<br>
You can pick them up cheaper and the Shures generally are very rugged so<br=
>
buying a used one generally is a good bet.<br>
<br>
The Beta Shures not only have a better frequency response than the older SM=
57 and SM58<br>
(I&#39;ve seen tablas sound like god with these puppies) and they also reje=
ct feedback at much higher<br>
volumes than the older Shure SM57.<br>
<br>
My last piece of advice for you is to be very, very careful if you use any =
kind of<br>
frame drum..................the large parallel surface of the drum can be a=
n instant<br>
reflector for feedback coming from the monitors.<br>
<br>
Some frame drummers (and other percussionists) will additionally use someth=
ing<br>
like a Schertler pickup that sticks inside of the drum.<br>
<br>
Personally, =A0I just don&#39;t think this solution gets the nuance one nee=
ds from the drums<br>
and, additionally, one cannot take advantate of the proximity effect that a=
 good dynamic<br>
microphone has which can be a great way of nuancing a performance.<br>
<br>
A trick I love is to bring the mic right down on the frame drum or ghatam s=
o that<br>
it begins to feedback at the pitch of the fundamental frequency of the head=
.<br>
By bending the head one can &#39;play&#39; the feedback to end a song effec=
tively.<br>
<br>
Good luck and don&#39;t hesitate to write me if you need more advice along =
these lines.<br>
<br>
yours, =A0 Rick<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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  Bill, you mustn't forget to mention that
in those days,  we let Michael Klobuchar mix our entire set through
a single Digitech Space Station.

That was the secret to our success.     All that subtle whammying of the 
entire
sound.................a long time before My Bloody Valentine stole our 
'vibe'.

  Now, pass that beer.   And I'd love a small dose of Purple Sunshine 
with it, as well.


Rick




On 11:59 AM, William Walker wrote:
> Thats a sharp eye you have there Rainer, in fact that is Per on lead 
> vocals and me playing the black strat ( a large headstock 4 bolt  
> transition era late 60's/ 70's model, a Jimi guitar, if you will ) 
> wish I still had it, and the hair to go with it.
> True story,  sometime in the early 70's Rick and I were sitting in a 
> salon in  waiting to get our chests waxed when in walks Per for a full 
> body wax and mullet!!!!! We knew right away he was our lead singer / 
> songwriter /  frontman/ rhythm guitarist even though he had never sung 
> or played in his life.! I'M NOT KIDDING!!!!!!!  6 months later we were 
> climbing the danish charts......where's my beer????
>  Bill

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^|>^m wrote:


> Please tell me I am 
> stupid and wrong.
> 
> Adam
>
hey, Adam, Mark's giving up his time to help you there.

Even if it doesn't solve your immediate problem it's
good info to have for a 2 edp guy.


We couldn't guess that you wanted to use the fcb to
control the 2 edps as a stereo pair from your earlier posts.
(that must mean what you meant by "at the same time", no?)

You're spot on about the fcb1010, the only things it can do
is 
1) control 2 EDPs independently on one midi Channel with note On
2) control 2 EDPs together (stereo) on one midi channel with note On

So the best you can do for your scenario is to either
1) reach over to an edp and flip the channel when you want to use
    the other control method.
2) You could use the computer to change the EDP channel using sysex.
    (it causes a very slight temporary dropout in the edp sound output)

andy


 

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Hi, loopers! according to your opinion would be possible for Keith Mc Millen (if he Comes)  
take some brand new Softsteps to the Fest in order to sell them?
 I (But i think not only me) could be very interested on buying one, I was in 
 their first 100 list but with the trip to S.Cruz Loop Fest that i'm going to do i didn't order it, I thought i could save 
 transports and taxes.
 
 Greetings from Italy
 
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<p>Hi, loopers! according to your opinion would be possible for Keith Mc Millen (if he Comes)&nbsp; </p><p>take some brand new Softsteps to the Fest in order to sell them?<br> I (But i think not only me) could be very interested on buying one, I was in <br> their first 100 list but with the trip to S.Cruz Loop Fest that i'm going to do i didn't order it, I thought i could save <br> transports and taxes.<br> <br> Greetings from Italy<br> <br> Massimo Liverani</p>
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Hey Andy, Is the #Source saved in a preset?
(Maybe he can switch between them... dont think it is tho...)

Adam,

I wasnt giving up too much time, I just cut n paste from previous posts...

you could do what I do, and have  a mix of footpedals, I use midi from the
FCB and have buttons tha trigger record on both EDPs, via note on, and then
I have the dedicated footpedal also plugged in to do separate stuff... not a
lot of floor space on stage, for things like... other musicians.. so I dont
use them...!

Mark



On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:44 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> ^|>^m wrote:
>
>
>  Please tell me I am stupid and wrong.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>  hey, Adam, Mark's giving up his time to help you there.
>
> Even if it doesn't solve your immediate problem it's
> good info to have for a 2 edp guy.
>
>
> We couldn't guess that you wanted to use the fcb to
> control the 2 edps as a stereo pair from your earlier posts.
> (that must mean what you meant by "at the same time", no?)
>
> You're spot on about the fcb1010, the only things it can do
> is 1) control 2 EDPs independently on one midi Channel with note On
> 2) control 2 EDPs together (stereo) on one midi channel with note On
>
> So the best you can do for your scenario is to either
> 1) reach over to an edp and flip the channel when you want to use
>   the other control method.
> 2) You could use the computer to change the EDP channel using sysex.
>   (it causes a very slight temporary dropout in the edp sound output)
>
> andy
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
mark francombe
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Hey Andy, Is the #Source saved in a preset?<br>(Maybe he can switch between=
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o much time, I just cut n paste from previous posts...<br><br>you could do =
what I do, and have=A0 a mix of footpedals, I use midi from the FCB and hav=
e buttons tha trigger record on both EDPs, via note on, and then I have the=
 dedicated footpedal also plugged in to do separate stuff... not a lot of f=
loor space on stage, for things like... other musicians.. so I dont use the=
m...!<br>

<br>Mark<br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9=
:44 AM, andy butler <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:akbutler@tiscal=
i.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid=
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<div class=3D"im">^|&gt;^m wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Please tell me I am stupid and wrong.<br>
<br>
Adam<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>
hey, Adam, Mark&#39;s giving up his time to help you there.<br>
<br>
Even if it doesn&#39;t solve your immediate problem it&#39;s<br>
good info to have for a 2 edp guy.<br>
<br>
<br>
We couldn&#39;t guess that you wanted to use the fcb to<br>
control the 2 edps as a stereo pair from your earlier posts.<br>
(that must mean what you meant by &quot;at the same time&quot;, no?)<br>
<br>
You&#39;re spot on about the fcb1010, the only things it can do<br>
is 1) control 2 EDPs independently on one midi Channel with note On<br>
2) control 2 EDPs together (stereo) on one midi channel with note On<br>
<br>
So the best you can do for your scenario is to either<br>
1) reach over to an edp and flip the channel when you want to use<br>
 =A0 the other control method.<br>
2) You could use the computer to change the EDP channel using sysex.<br>
 =A0 (it causes a very slight temporary dropout in the edp sound output)<br=
><font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
andy<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<b=
r><a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markf=
rancombe<br>

<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br>=
<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

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andrea trabucco wrote:
> I've tried sm57?s but to me soundend too dark and not natural sounding 
> so to speak. I prefer ocndenser but htey have the problem of feedback, 
> or maybe I didn't equalized the sm57 properly...

the SM57 will sound unnatural compared to a condenser,
but possibly if the one you tried was "too dark" then
it simply wasn't a good SM57.
While the SM57 (and 58) have a great reputation 
for robustness what happens is that they get mistreated,
and sound degrades very noticeably. They're also
a very variable mic to start with.


The idea that condensers are feedback prone is 
handed down from generation to generation of
sound guys... but has no basis in fact whatsoever.



You mentioned "panoramic" pick up of the percussion,
that sounds problematic in terms of feedback.
Probably what you need to do is to set up one mic
at a fixed position and bring each percussion instrument up
to it in turn.
(check out some of Rick Walker's YouTube vids to supplement
his excellent advice)

Personally I wouldn't go with Rick's suggestion of 
open headphones, I'd be frightened of hearing damage.
(...but then my answer to feedback problem would be to
  turn the whole thing down)

andy butler
(occasional percussion looper, occasional sound guy) 



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As usual, Rick's advice is very sound and helpful - I'll only add
minor details here:

> Buy yourself an AKG C1000s microphone ($200 (USD) each or sometimes
> available for 2 for $300 USD)

I often called this the swiss army knife among microphones. Another
nice feature for some applications ('though not mentioned here, but as
far as I know that would be relevant when using it with a RC50) is
that you can power it with a battery, should no phantom power be
available. And you can also use it as a small hammer due to its rugged
construction.

> I'd also highly recommend that you invest in a decent set of
> in ear monitors

That is also an important advice, as well as the recommendation for
using a wireless system for your headphones. This has several
advantages (over using wired headphones), one of the most important
ones being that you don't need to attach cables when you come onstage
(and can really move around freely).
With all headphone (especially inear) based monitoring setups, there
comes a word of caution: do ensure that your levels don't get too
high. If feedback in your monitor speakers will hurt your ears, then
feedback in your inears will most probably damage your ears
irrevocably (the feedback could still come via the FOH system). In
computer-oriented solutions, a combination of a peak and RMS limiter
in the monitor output chain can save ear life - if you're not going
the computer route, look for a small and affordable compressor or
limiter (such as an Alesis NanoLimiter, or for the
sound-quality-conscious, a FRM RNLA).

> Additionally, I recommend that you either purchase or have someone
> wire you a mic cable that has a silent on-off switch and then have the
> discpline
> to continually turn your microphone off when you are not recording your
> loops.

I'm not sure if I will second this recommendation. Depending on your
acoustic setup, turning the microphone on and off can have a very
audible effect on what the audience hears which may be different to
what you intend to have. Of course, closing the loop when you don't
want to record should be done (which may be a problem with loopers
which don't have something like primary feedback).

> The Beta Shures not only have a better frequency response than the older
> SM57 and SM58

Here's another recommendation for dynamic microphones in the SM57-line
area of application: Beyer M201. More expensive, but for some
applications better sound. It's more like a C1000S, only better (and a
dynamic microphone as well).

> one cannot take advantate of the proximity effect that a good dynamic microphone has

The proximity effect is neither a property of a dynamic (or a good
dynamic) microphone, but of all pressure gradient receiver microphones
- in other words, of all microphones that aren't omnis (and all the
microphones mentioned above aren't).

The proximity effect is an effect where the effect of the acoustic
shortcut between front and back of the microphone diaphragm is reduced
when the sound source is very close to the microphone. This happens
because SPL decreases with a 1/r^2 function over distance from the
sound source. How pronounced the proximity effect is has mainly to do
with the effective distance between front and rear of the diaphragm.

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 I like your idea, Matthias.

I remember the festival was entirely on u-stream last year, but
don't know if Rick is providing video reportage from the Y2KX.
While I'm typing I'm suddenly thinking that - apart the contest idea - the
(huge-decennal and Rick's last) Y2KX definitively deserves to be video
documented: not just the performances - I mean - but expecially the "behind
the scenes".
Something about it, Rick ?

fabio



2010/10/5 Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com>

> Ok, I got positive reaction from Rick, Bill and Lele!
> does the silent majority agree or not care?
>
> I actually hoped that someone would help with the wording and
> announcement...
> should we announce it on the site before the festival?
> send an email to all participants so they can get prepared?
>
> Is someone going to video the festival?
>
>
>   On 3 Oct 2010, at 01:50, Bassi Lele wrote:
>
>  *I Like it, Matthias !!!*
>
> Lele Bassi
>
>  *From:* Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 02, 2010 6:28 PM
> *To:* Loop List <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> *Subject:* Y2k hits collection
>
> Friends,
>
> I woke up this morning thinking:
>
> although I hate musical competition, it might be interesting to balance the
> loopers contest a little.
> many of us feel strange that art is categorized by the brand of equipment
> used, even more so, because the smartest looping artists usually do not use
> the Boss tools.
> all the Boss contest contributions come up on youtube now and I have to
> gather them at youtube.com/livelooping in order to not behave as ignoring
> as Boss does, so I could open a playlist with contests and include the Boss
> and Y2K ones, or two separate playlists - we can discuss this here or on
> youtube or on Facebook...
>
> I think we should keep it simple and friendly (rather not call it
> contest?):
> each y2k player could point at one of his pieces which he thinks would have
> the most public success and a reasonable length (the HIT) and we would
> record those and show them either at the y2k site or on
> youtube.com/livelooping or both
> and then have people vote on them or so and maybe rather select the 10 best
> instead of the 1 best...
>
> I think its natural that some musicians to it "better" than others. there
> is no measure for that except for "taste" which is different for each
> listener, so I do not think we have to define any criteria or discuss about
> "what is quality" (if you are interested in this question, I recommend the
> book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintainance" by
> http://en.wikipediaorg/wiki/Robert_M._Pirsig<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Pirsig> )
> - but we can, its also interesting...
>
> this may bring some new awareness to the festival itself
> and spread better to the world what happens there
> and the result may be more interesting than what Boss collected, at least
> more open... :-)
>
> what do you think?
> Matthias
>
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<div>I like=A0your idea, Matthias.</div></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I remember the festival=A0was entirely on u-stream last year, but</div=
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<div>don&#39;t know if Rick is providing video reportage from the Y2KX.</di=
v>
<div>While I&#39;m typing I&#39;m suddenly thinking that - apart the contes=
t idea - the (huge-decennal and Rick&#39;s last) Y2KX definitively deserves=
=A0to be video documented: not just the performances - I mean - but expecia=
lly the=A0&quot;behind the scenes&quot;. </div>

<div>Something about it, Rick ?</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>fabio</div>
<div><br><br>=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/10/5 Matthias Grob <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:matilists@gmail.com">matilists@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">Ok, I got positive reaction from Rick,=
 Bill and Lele!=20
<div>does the silent majority agree or not care?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I actually hoped that someone would help with the wording and announce=
ment...</div>
<div>should we announce it on the site before the festival?</div>
<div>send an email to all participants so they can get prepared?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Is someone going to video the festival?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>On 3 Oct 2010, at 01:50, Bassi Lele wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 15px; W=
ORD-WRAP: break-word" name=3D"Compose message area">
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"5"><strong>I Like it, Matthias !!!</stron=
g></font></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"4">Lele Bassi</font></div>
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma">
<div><font face=3D"Arial"></font><br></div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"mailto:matilists@gmail.com
Ctrl + clic per seguire il collegamento" href=3D"mailto:matilists@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">Matthias Grob</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 02, 2010 6:28 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" href=3D"ma=
ilto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loop List</a> <=
/div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Y2k hits collection</div></div></div>
<div><br></div>Friends,=20
<div><br>I woke up this morning thinking:<br><br>although I hate musical co=
mpetition, it might be interesting to balance the loopers contest a little.=
</div>
<div>many of us feel strange that art is categorized by the brand of equipm=
ent used, even more so, because the smartest looping artists usually do not=
 use the Boss tools.<br>all the Boss contest contributions come up on youtu=
be now and I have to gather them at <a href=3D"http://youtube.com/liveloopi=
ng" target=3D"_blank">youtube.com/livelooping</a> in order to not behave as=
 ignoring as Boss does, so I could open a playlist with contests and includ=
e the=A0Boss and Y2K ones, or two separate playlists - we can discuss this =
here or on youtube or on Facebook...</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>I think we should keep it simple and friendly (rather not call it cont=
est?):<br>each y2k player could point at one of his pieces which he thinks =
would have the most public success and a reasonable length (the HIT) and we=
 would record those and show them either at the y2k site or on <a href=3D"h=
ttp://youtube.com/livelooping" target=3D"_blank">youtube.com/livelooping</a=
> or both<br>
and then have people vote on them or so and maybe rather select the 10 best=
 instead of the 1 best...</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I think its natural that some musicians to it &quot;better&quot; than =
others. there is no measure for that except for &quot;taste&quot; which is =
different for each listener, so I do not think we have to define any criter=
ia or discuss about &quot;what is quality&quot; (if you are interested in t=
his question, I recommend the book &quot;Zen and the art of motorcycle main=
tainance&quot; by=A0<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Pirsi=
g" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipediaorg/wiki/Robert_M._Pirsig</a>=A0) -=
 but we can, its also interesting...</div>

<div><br>this may bring some new awareness to the festival itself</div>
<div>and spread better to the world what happens there<br>and the result ma=
y be more interesting than what Boss collected, at least more open... :-)<b=
r><br>what do you think?<br>Matthias</div>
<div><br></div>
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Bob mentioned this weekend that he was going to stream the festival (or =
part of it?)=20
I am not sure whether he meant audio or video though.

and also, one thing is to run a camera on a stand to have a general =
document
a totally different thing is to follow the player to make a nice video
while we probably do not have any professional or some one patient do =
carefully do the whole event,
it might be possible to focus just on a few "HIT" minutes of each =
player.

in praxis this could mean that when the player announces his =
contribution, someone grabs the camera (or a second camera?!) and does =
close ups and whatever he becomes inspired to... or even what the player =
suggested before starting his presentation!

On 5 Oct 2010, at 02:59, Fabio_A wrote:

> I like your idea, Matthias.
> =20
> I remember the festival was entirely on u-stream last year, but
> don't know if Rick is providing video reportage from the Y2KX.
> While I'm typing I'm suddenly thinking that - apart the contest idea - =
the (huge-decennal and Rick's last) Y2KX definitively deserves to be =
video documented: not just the performances - I mean - but expecially =
the "behind the scenes".
> Something about it, Rick ?
> =20
> fabio
>=20
>=20
> =20
> 2010/10/5 Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com>
> Ok, I got positive reaction from Rick, Bill and Lele!
> does the silent majority agree or not care?
>=20
> I actually hoped that someone would help with the wording and =
announcement...
> should we announce it on the site before the festival?
> send an email to all participants so they can get prepared?
>=20
> Is someone going to video the festival?
>=20
>=20
> On 3 Oct 2010, at 01:50, Bassi Lele wrote:
>=20
>> I Like it, Matthias !!!
>> =20
>> Lele Bassi
>>=20
>> From: Matthias Grob
>> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 6:28 PM
>> To: Loop List
>> Subject: Y2k hits collection
>>=20
>> Friends,
>>=20
>> I woke up this morning thinking:
>>=20
>> although I hate musical competition, it might be interesting to =
balance the loopers contest a little.
>> many of us feel strange that art is categorized by the brand of =
equipment used, even more so, because the smartest looping artists =
usually do not use the Boss tools.
>> all the Boss contest contributions come up on youtube now and I have =
to gather them at youtube.com/livelooping in order to not behave as =
ignoring as Boss does, so I could open a playlist with contests and =
include the Boss and Y2K ones, or two separate playlists - we can =
discuss this here or on youtube or on Facebook...
>>=20
>> I think we should keep it simple and friendly (rather not call it =
contest?):
>> each y2k player could point at one of his pieces which he thinks =
would have the most public success and a reasonable length (the HIT) and =
we would record those and show them either at the y2k site or on =
youtube.com/livelooping or both
>> and then have people vote on them or so and maybe rather select the =
10 best instead of the 1 best...
>>=20
>> I think its natural that some musicians to it "better" than others. =
there is no measure for that except for "taste" which is different for =
each listener, so I do not think we have to define any criteria or =
discuss about "what is quality" (if you are interested in this question, =
I recommend the book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintainance" by =
http://en.wikipediaorg/wiki/Robert_M._Pirsig ) - but we can, its also =
interesting...
>>=20
>> this may bring some new awareness to the festival itself
>> and spread better to the world what happens there
>> and the result may be more interesting than what Boss collected, at =
least more open... :-)
>>=20
>> what do you think?
>> Matthias
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
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mentioned this weekend that he was going to stream the festival (or part =
of it?)&nbsp;<div>I am not sure whether he meant audio or video =
though.</div><div><br></div><div>and also, one thing is to run a camera =
on a stand to have a general document</div><div>a totally different =
thing is to follow the player to make a nice video</div><div>while we =
probably do not have any professional or some one patient do carefully =
do the whole event,</div><div>it might be possible to focus just on a =
few "HIT" minutes of each player.</div><div><br></div><div>in praxis =
this could mean that when the player announces his contribution, someone =
grabs the camera (or a second camera?!) and does close ups and whatever =
he becomes inspired to... or even what the player suggested before =
starting his presentation!</div><div><br><div><div>On 5 Oct 2010, at =
02:59, Fabio_A wrote:</div><br =
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<div>
<div>I like&nbsp;your idea, Matthias.</div></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I remember the festival&nbsp;was entirely on u-stream last year, =
but</div></div>
<div>don't know if Rick is providing video reportage from the =
Y2KX.</div>
<div>While I'm typing I'm suddenly thinking that - apart the contest =
idea - the (huge-decennal and Rick's last) Y2KX definitively =
deserves&nbsp;to be video documented: not just the performances - I mean =
- but expecially the&nbsp;"behind the scenes". </div>

<div>Something about it, Rick ?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>fabio</div>
<div><br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/10/5 Matthias Grob <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
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<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">Ok, I got positive reaction from =
Rick, Bill and Lele!=20
<div>does the silent majority agree or not care?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I actually hoped that someone would help with the wording and =
announcement...</div>
<div>should we announce it on the site before the festival?</div>
<div>send an email to all participants so they can get prepared?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Is someone going to video the festival?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>On 3 Oct 2010, at 01:50, Bassi Lele wrote:</div><br>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 02, 2010 6:28 PM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Y2k hits collection</div></div></div>
<div><br></div>Friends,=20
<div><br>I woke up this morning thinking:<br><br>although I hate musical =
competition, it might be interesting to balance the loopers contest a =
little.</div>
<div>many of us feel strange that art is categorized by the brand of =
equipment used, even more so, because the smartest looping artists =
usually do not use the Boss tools.<br>all the Boss contest contributions =
come up on youtube now and I have to gather them at <a =
href=3D"http://youtube.com/livelooping" =
target=3D"_blank">youtube.com/livelooping</a> in order to not behave as =
ignoring as Boss does, so I could open a playlist with contests and =
include the&nbsp;Boss and Y2K ones, or two separate playlists - we can =
discuss this here or on youtube or on Facebook...</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>I think we should keep it simple and friendly (rather not call it =
contest?):<br>each y2k player could point at one of his pieces which he =
thinks would have the most public success and a reasonable length (the =
HIT) and we would record those and show them either at the y2k site or =
on <a href=3D"http://youtube.com/livelooping" =
target=3D"_blank">youtube.com/livelooping</a> or both<br>
and then have people vote on them or so and maybe rather select the 10 =
best instead of the 1 best...</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I think its natural that some musicians to it "better" than others. =
there is no measure for that except for "taste" which is different for =
each listener, so I do not think we have to define any criteria or =
discuss about "what is quality" (if you are interested in this question, =
I recommend the book "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintainance" =
by&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Pirsig" =
target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipediaorg/wiki/Robert_M._Pirsig</a>&nbsp;) =
- but we can, its also interesting...</div>

<div><br>this may bring some new awareness to the festival itself</div>
<div>and spread better to the world what happens there<br>and the result =
may be more interesting than what Boss collected, at least more open... =
:-)<br><br>what do you think?<br>Matthias</div>
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Well, I've put hard work into the RC-50 to do what the Boomerang 3 does by default: Use 1 loop as master loop and switch between others.

If I'd buy a hardware looper, I'd save the work and get a Boomerang 3.

I think, my suggetion in general would be:
- Song-style looping artist ==> Boomerang 3 (master loop function nice)
- Ambient looper ==> RC-50 (more options - and yes, feedback possible ;-) )

But it's hard to tell & subjective...

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Hi Andrea

I would definitely go with a small mixer and simply connect the mix to stereo INs.
This gives you much better control in live situations. Plus, you can tweak EQ/pan on each mic.

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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> If I'd buy a hardware looper, I'd save the work and get a Boomerang 3.
>
> I think, my suggetion in general would be:
> - Song-style looping artist ==> Boomerang 3 (master loop function nice)
> - Ambient looper ==> RC-50 (more options - and yes, feedback possible ;-) )
>
> But it's hard to tell & subjective...


Thank you for spilling the knowledge! Good to know for us that have
not had the change to try both. Do I understand you correctly when
assuming "song-style looping" means creating many linear loops for the
purpose of switching between them?

Greetings from Sweden

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Matthias Grob wrote:

> one thing is to run a camera on a stand to have a general document
> a totally different thing is to follow the player to make a nice video
> while we probably do not have any professional or some one patient do 
> carefully do the whole event,

Most of the work would be in the editing.
Apart from that I'm sure it would be easy to make the footage.

> someone grabs the camera (or a second camera?!) and does 
> close ups and whatever he becomes inspired to... 

Sound on Sound had a great article about this recently.

Really you need at least one camera on a tripod,
in addition to any close ups.

Then it's possible to pick the good parts of the close up footage,
and cut to the tripod-cam for the rest.
If the tripod cam is good quality it'll will be possible to zoom
& pan the footage from that for added interest

Sound would need to be recorded at the desk, and synced in the editing.

andy



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  Andy wrote many wise things,
This one I can't agree with 100% from my experience on stages.

"The idea that condensers are feedback prone is handed down from 
generation to generation of
sound guys... but has no basis in fact whatsoever."

Feedback is a nightmare in the percussion world especially at high SPLs, 
on really big
festival stages, etc.

The AKG C1000s , as a case in point,  is virtually unuseable without the
plastic hyper-cartioid 'focuser' that it comes with from my experience.

There are certain venues where even with the focuser, the AKG C1000s is 
untenable
due to feedback.

It , of course, is mitigated by volume but if you are touring and 
playing different venues
and different kinds of professional settings (from talented amateur 
sound people
to completely jaded and coked out pros,  completely untalented amateurs 
and professionals
who are at the top of their game).............one cannot always depend 
upon the monitor
levels being 'reasonable' in volume..................frequently,  you 
have not time to do anything
but get your ass on stage and play under the worst of circumstances.

That's why I take a Sure Beta SM58 in case my beloved C1000s is 'testy'

Also,  as long as we're talking critiques,
I'd agree completely with Rainer's contention that one must have a limiter
on an in ear sound system but mitigate it with what situation you are in.

I don't use a limiter with my system and have never gotten FOH feedback 
in my 'in ears' but I also
am not playing at really high SPLs either.

If I was playing acoustic percussion in a very loud electric band I 
wouldn't even consider
using in ears WITHOUT a limiter, but the fact of the matter is , I don't 
even own one
because I don't play acoustic percussion in those settings (who would 
want to anyway.....
that's when you bring out your Bonham trapset kit and hit like 
hell..................lol

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  HI everyone,

I am so completely and utterly over my head with this years' festival
that I cannot possibly undertake a single other 'task'.  Not one more thing!

I love Matthias's idea but it's up to you guys to document this festival
if you want it documented.

I'm working as hard as I possibly can, day and night, to make sure that 
it even occurs.

I do know two things:

Bob Amstadt said he would try to document part of it..... so.....

1) why doesn't someone (Fabio?  Matthias?) contact him and ask him if
they could borrow his equipment for the times when he can't document it?

2)  The wonderful live video artist, Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is going 
to be
doing a documentary film on this 10th anniversary live looping festival so
there will be some footage emerging from that I imagine.

3)  I encourage people to take 'guerilla'  footage of people's sets to
augment the point and shoot method of the ustream footage.
That's what I'm going to do during my sets.

Everyone has great ideas......................I challenge you all to do 
something
proactive about it instead of waiting around for someone to organize it 
for you.

just sayin'


see you all there...............I'll be a little the worse for wear,  I 
warn you,
but I'll be there with bells and whistles on to represent!

rick walker

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hi,

i have just finished mixing 2 new duo records. one with the great bill =
walker and the other one with craig green. i am searching for the best =
option for cd manufacturing of 500 or 1000 copies. any ideas? of course, =
since the records will be released in usa, the manufacturing has to be =
done in usa too.

thanks a lot and best regards.

p.s. wish everyone the best for the looping festival. unfortunately i =
will miss this one :(

www.erdemhelvacioglu.com

New duo album with Per Boysen out now.
http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com

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LOL

mark francombe wrote:
> I am going to remain very quiet on this one...

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2010/10/5 Erdem Helvacioglu <erdemhel@tnn.net>:
> i have just finished mixing 2 new duo records. one with the great bill
> walker and the other one with craig green. i am searching for the best
> option for cd manufacturing of 500 or 1000 copies. any ideas? of course,
> since the records will be released in usa, the manufacturing has to be done
> in usa too.


Dear Erdem,

I'm not so well acquainted with the US pressing plant business. If I
was you I should to a forum search at Gearslutz. Maybe even initiate a
discussion, if appropriate information is not already available
withing older threads.
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/

Among those guys are some professionals that constantly spend time
looking for the best prices and services. Someone there must know, I
think.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub

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Erdem one of the best options is a short run maker actually here in Brookly=
n
that Krispen led me and others to called http://www.kunaki.com.  They are
mainly known for short run but I'm sure they will do larger such as you are
seeking and they have never never made a glitch on me and I've done @10
titles.  Really excellent and amazing prices for short run.

Congrats on the duo record and reviews you and Per have eceived.

Jim Goodin
http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com


On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2010/10/5 Erdem Helvacioglu <erdemhel@tnn.net>:
> > i have just finished mixing 2 new duo records. one with the great bill
> > walker and the other one with craig green. i am searching for the best
> > option for cd manufacturing of 500 or 1000 copies. any ideas? of course=
,
> > since the records will be released in usa, the manufacturing has to be
> done
> > in usa too.
>
>
> Dear Erdem,
>
> I'm not so well acquainted with the US pressing plant business. If I
> was you I should to a forum search at Gearslutz. Maybe even initiate a
> discussion, if appropriate information is not already available
> withing older threads.
> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/
>
> Among those guys are some professionals that constantly spend time
> looking for the best prices and services. Someone there must know, I
> think.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>


--=20
>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &
Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com

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Erdem one of the best options is a short run maker actually here in Brookly=
n that Krispen led me and others to called <a href=3D"http://www.kunaki.com=
">http://www.kunaki.com</a>.=A0 They are mainly known for short run but I&#=
39;m sure they will do larger such as you are seeking and they have never n=
ever made a glitch on me and I&#39;ve done @10 titles.=A0 Really excellent =
and amazing prices for short run.<br>
<br>Congrats on the duo record and reviews you and Per have eceived.<br><br=
>Jim Goodin<br><a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com">http://woo=
dandwiremusic.wordpress.com</a><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tu=
e, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">2010/10/5 Erdem H=
elvacioglu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:erdemhel@tnn.net">erdemhel@tnn.net</a>&gt;=
:<br>

<div class=3D"im">&gt; i have just finished mixing 2 new duo records. one w=
ith the great bill<br>
&gt; walker and the other one with craig green. i am searching for the best=
<br>
&gt; option for cd manufacturing of 500 or 1000 copies. any ideas? of cours=
e,<br>
&gt; since the records will be released in usa, the manufacturing has to be=
 done<br>
&gt; in usa too.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Dear Erdem,<br>
<br>
I&#39;m not so well acquainted with the US pressing plant business. If I<br=
>
was you I should to a forum search at Gearslutz. Maybe even initiate a<br>
discussion, if appropriate information is not already available<br>
withing older threads.<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.gearslutz.com/board/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ge=
arslutz.com/board/</a><br>
<br>
Among those guys are some professionals that constantly spend time<br>
looking for the best prices and services. Someone there must know, I<br>
think.<br>
<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.looproom.com" target=3D"_blank">www.looproom.com</a> =
internet music hub<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>From Brooklyn To=
 Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6r=
n.=A0 Proceeds<br>from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=
=A0 <a href=3D"http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com">jimgoodinpeterthorn=
.bandcamp.com</a>.<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br=
><a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</=
a><br><a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com">woodandwiremusic.wo=
rdpress.com</a><br>


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I'll be there in Santa Cruz form 12th to 19th, that's enough time for a bee=
r
or two...
Happy to meet you all !

-fabio



2010/10/5 Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>

> Per wow that's terrible re your support but glad you are still finding a
> way to make the journey.  Looking forward to seeing you again.  I'm going=
 to
> be there Friday the 17th through Monday the 18th.  Ted sorry you won't ma=
ke
> the brunch, this is the first year I've ever been able to be there for it=
.
> Mark, Jeff of course looking forward to meeting you guys.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Good to hear that you're coming, Ted! :-)  I've been less lucky this
>> time; just received word today that I won't get the grant I applied
>> for to cover traveling costs. Since it is too close to call off the
>> flight tickets I will go anyway on borrowed money that I will have to
>> bring in somehow later on. Oh well, shit happens as they say. But at
>> least bad economy doesn't spoil a great party!!! I'm very excited
>> about meeting everyone :-)
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se
>> www.perboysen.com
>> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:39 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.ne=
t>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Well,
>> >> The closer we get to the festival, the more things are falling into
>> place
>> >> so I can attend it this year.
>> >> I got the time off work.
>> >> Got permission from the wife.
>> >> And I just booked my hotel accommodation through Priceline.com.
>> >> Woohoo!
>> >> The only bummer is that I have to work on Monday the 18th.
>> >> So that means I will have to start driving back on Sunday, missing mo=
st
>> of
>> >> that day's performances, and miss out on Monday's looper brunch once
>> again
>> >> too.
>> >>
>> >> Sigh...
>> >>
>> >> But I will be there from Wednesday the 13th through Sunday Morning th=
e
>> >> 17th.
>> >>
>> >> If anyone wants to meet up for a meal or a beer somewhere in that spa=
n
>> of
>> >> time I am pretty open.
>> >>
>> >> Ted
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin =
&
> Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
> from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
> jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.
>
> www.jimgoodinmusic.com
> www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com
>

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<div>I&#39;ll be there in Santa Cruz form 12th to 19th, that&#39;s enough t=
ime for a beer or two...</div>
<div>Happy to meet you all !</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>-fabio</div>
<div><br><br>=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/10/5 Jim Goodin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com">jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Per wow that&#39;s terrible re y=
our support but glad you are still finding a way to make the journey.=A0 Lo=
oking forward to seeing you again.=A0 I&#39;m going to be there Friday the =
17th through Monday the 18th.=A0 Ted sorry you won&#39;t make the brunch, t=
his is the first year I&#39;ve ever been able to be there for it.=A0 Mark, =
Jeff of course looking forward to meeting you guys.<br>
<br>Jim=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Per Boysen <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">=
perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0=
pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Good to hear that yo=
u&#39;re coming, Ted! :-) =A0I&#39;ve been less lucky this<br>time; just re=
ceived word today that I won&#39;t get the grant I applied<br>
for to cover traveling costs. Since it is too close to call off the<br>flig=
ht tickets I will go anyway on borrowed money that I will have to<br>bring =
in somehow later on. Oh well, shit happens as they say. But at<br>least bad=
 economy doesn&#39;t spoil a great party!!! I&#39;m very excited<br>
about meeting everyone :-)<br><br>Greetings from Sweden<br><font color=3D"#=
888888"><br>Per Boysen<br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se/" target=3D"_blan=
k">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com/" target=3D"_bl=
ank">www.perboysen.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.looproom.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.looproom.com</a>=
 internet music hub<br></font>
<div>
<div></div>
<div><br><br><br>&gt; On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:39 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:tedkillian@charter.net" target=3D"_blank">tedkillian@chart=
er.net</a>&gt;<br>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; Well,<br>&gt;&gt; The closer we g=
et to the festival, the more things are falling into place<br>
&gt;&gt; so I can attend it this year.<br>&gt;&gt; I got the time off work.=
<br>&gt;&gt; Got permission from the wife.<br>&gt;&gt; And I just booked my=
 hotel accommodation through Priceline.com.<br>&gt;&gt; Woohoo!<br>&gt;&gt;=
 The only bummer is that I have to work on Monday the 18th.<br>
&gt;&gt; So that means I will have to start driving back on Sunday, missing=
 most of<br>&gt;&gt; that day&#39;s performances, and miss out on Monday&#3=
9;s looper brunch once again<br>&gt;&gt; too.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Sigh.=
..<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; But I will be there from Wednesday the 13th through Su=
nday Morning the<br>&gt;&gt; 17th.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; If anyone wants =
to meet up for a meal or a beer somewhere in that span of<br>&gt;&gt; time =
I am pretty open.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Ted<br><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clea=
r=3D"all"><br></div></div><font color=3D"#888888">-- <br>From Brooklyn To G=
lindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6rn.=
=A0 Proceeds<br>
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 <a href=3D"htt=
p://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com/" target=3D"_blank">jimgoodinpeterthor=
n.bandcamp.com</a>.<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com/" targe=
t=3D"_blank">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.chinap=
aintingmusic.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com</a><br></font></blockquote=
></div>
<br>

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If you go with Kunaki though, they get MORE expensive the more you do
(or they did recently).  Its cheaper per piece to do ten at a time
than to do 100 (of course postage may balance that out).

But Kunaki is really great.  I've done all my DVDs through them and
they look great.

Kevin

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote=
:
> Erdem one of the best options is a short run maker actually here in Brook=
lyn
> that Krispen led me and others to called http://www.kunaki.com.=A0 They a=
re
> mainly known for short run but I'm sure they will do larger such as you a=
re
> seeking and they have never never made a glitch on me and I've done @10
> titles.=A0 Really excellent and amazing prices for short run.
>
> Congrats on the duo record and reviews you and Per have eceived.
>
> Jim Goodin
> http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2010/10/5 Erdem Helvacioglu <erdemhel@tnn.net>:
>> > i have just finished mixing 2 new duo records. one with the great bill
>> > walker and the other one with craig green. i am searching for the best
>> > option for cd manufacturing of 500 or 1000 copies. any ideas? of cours=
e,
>> > since the records will be released in usa, the manufacturing has to be
>> > done
>> > in usa too.
>>
>>
>> Dear Erdem,
>>
>> I'm not so well acquainted with the US pressing plant business. If I
>> was you I should to a forum search at Gearslutz. Maybe even initiate a
>> discussion, if appropriate information is not already available
>> withing older threads.
>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/
>>
>> Among those guys are some professionals that constantly spend time
>> looking for the best prices and services. Someone there must know, I
>> think.
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se
>> www.perboysen.com
>> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>>
>
>
>
> --
> From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin =
&
> Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
> from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
> jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.
>
> www.jimgoodinmusic.com
> www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com
>



--=20
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

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Rick Walker wrote:
>  Andy wrote many wise things,
> This one I can't agree with 100% from my experience on stages.



> 
> "The idea that condensers are feedback prone is handed down from 
> generation to generation of
> sound guys... but has no basis in fact whatsoever."


Even in the face of Rick's evidence I gonna stick with that statement,
especially since all the top mic manufacturers are now producing
condenser mics specifically aimed at stage use (even Neumann).
Condensers tend to have a more accurate polar pattern, so if
correctly aligned with the monitor should give better rejection.



Of course, if we're talking about individual mics 
then that doesn't necessarily apply.

I'd agree with Rick, in a gig situation
the monitoring can be awful with a very uneven frequency response.

It makes sense to try a different mic like the SM58, in the hope
that the dips in it's frequency response line up with the 
peaks in the monitoring .

One advantage of the SM58 is that (strange/insane as it may  
seem) it's common practise to set up pa systems using an SM58.
(the whole foh mix is put through a graphic equaliser which is 
used to null out feedback).
Under those situations, any non-SM58 is at a disadvantage.
(and I've sometimes found pa people uninterested in getting the best
out of any other mic).

I don't know the C1000, maybe it's not a typical condenser mic
in terms of polar response (quite likely with it's budget
method for attaining a dual pattern.)

The old pa guy mantra is "condensers feed back because they 
are more sensitive"...I've heard it many times...origins
and meaning lost to antiquity.



The mic I'd try is the trusty Sennheiser 421, 
as used by 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTljMHlyA1o&feature=fvw


andy
ps. *do* check out that link, it's important

> 
> Feedback is a nightmare in the percussion world especially at high SPLs, 
> on really big
> festival stages, etc.
> 
> The AKG C1000s , as a case in point,  is virtually unuseable without the
> plastic hyper-cartioid 'focuser' that it comes with from my experience.
> 
> There are certain venues where even with the focuser, the AKG C1000s is 
> untenable
> due to feedback.
> 
> It , of course, is mitigated by volume but if you are touring and 
> playing different venues
> and different kinds of professional settings (from talented amateur 
> sound people
> to completely jaded and coked out pros,  completely untalented amateurs 
> and professionals
> who are at the top of their game).............one cannot always depend 
> upon the monitor
> levels being 'reasonable' in volume..................frequently,  you 
> have not time to do anything
> but get your ass on stage and play under the worst of circumstances.
> 
> That's why I take a Sure Beta SM58 in case my beloved C1000s is 'testy'
> 

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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> I encourage people to take 'guerilla'  footage of people's sets to
> augment the point and shoot method of the ustream footage.
> That's what I'm going to do during my sets.
>

If the US is anything like Norway, then I=B4ll wager everyone in the audien=
ce
will have a HD video camera with them anyway... thats when they=B4re not
talking to it, or checking in to it, or doing FarmVille on it... Or looping
on it for that matter...

So I dont expect there to be a shortage of footage, just a shortage of life
to edit it all...

I propose this, EVERYONE shoot whoever, then privately get your footage to
the performer, and let them edit/dispose of it... after wards ther can be a
mass uploading or collating or DVD=EDng...

M

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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Rick Walker <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:looppool@cruzio.com">looppool@cruzio.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-=
left: 1ex;">

<div id=3D":ze">I encourage people to take &#39;guerilla&#39; =A0footage of=
 people&#39;s sets to<br>
augment the point and shoot method of the ustream footage.<br>
That&#39;s what I&#39;m going to do during my sets.</div></blockquote></div=
><br>If the US is anything like Norway, then I=B4ll wager everyone in the a=
udience will have a HD video camera with them anyway... thats when they=B4r=
e not talking to it, or checking in to it, or doing FarmVille on it... Or l=
ooping on it for that matter...<br>

<br>So I dont expect there to be a shortage of footage, just a shortage of =
life to edit it all...<br><br>I propose this, EVERYONE shoot whoever, then =
privately get your footage to the performer, and let them edit/dispose of i=
t... after wards ther can be a mass uploading or collating or DVD=EDng...<b=
r>

<br>M<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a href=3D"http://www.m=
arkfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.ordoab=
khao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markfrancombe<br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://vimeo.com/user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br>

<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> The mic I'd try is the trusty Sennheiser 421, as used by
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTljMHlyA1o&feature=fvw
>
>
> andy
> ps. *do* check out that link, it's important
>


And they have a Vox Jaguar lying un-used at the back of the stage... I wish
I had mine with me in Norway... why oh why do I come from a country you cant
drive from... wait... the tunnel... Hmmm?



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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, andy butler <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
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ote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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adding-left: 1ex;">

<div id=3D":198">The mic I&#39;d try is the trusty Sennheiser 421, as used =
by <br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtTljMHlyA1o&amp;feature=3Dfvw" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtTljMHlyA1o&amp;feature=
=3Dfvw</a><br>
<br>
<br>
andy<br>
ps. *do* check out that link, it&#39;s important</div></blockquote><div><br=
><br>And they have a Vox Jaguar lying un-used at the back of the stage... I=
 wish I had mine with me in Norway... why oh why do I come from a country y=
ou cant drive from... wait... the tunnel... Hmmm? <br>

</div></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a href=3D"h=
ttp://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"http:/=
/www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markfrancombe<br><a=
 href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br>

<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

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Perhaps you guys could team up wiuth a buddy and film each other's sets?
G
=20


From: mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Tue=2C 5 Oct 2010 20:07:39 +0200
Subject: Re: Y2k hits collection / video recording
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

On Tue=2C Oct 5=2C 2010 at 5:05 PM=2C Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wro=
te:



I encourage people to take 'guerilla'  footage of people's sets to
augment the point and shoot method of the ustream footage.
That's what I'm going to do during my sets.
If the US is anything like Norway=2C then I=B4ll wager everyone in the audi=
ence will have a HD video camera with them anyway... thats when they=B4re n=
ot talking to it=2C or checking in to it=2C or doing FarmVille on it... Or =
looping on it for that matter...

So I dont expect there to be a shortage of footage=2C just a shortage of li=
fe to edit it all...

I propose this=2C EVERYONE shoot whoever=2C then privately get your footage=
 to the performer=2C and let them edit/dispose of it... after wards ther ca=
n be a mass uploading or collating or DVD=EDng...

M
--=20
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
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G<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>

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well people as im getting ready to fly ive decided to go the pedal route
instead of laptop and FCB1010 since im just doing a 1/2" hour set.
Hsas anybody ever checked in a pedalboard with pedals,cables etc. at the
airport? how safe is this?you think they will go through this stuff and
dismantle it?
is there anything i can do so they dont mess evrrything up, like perhaps
putting a list fo everything thats inside or do you have a wiser advice?
i know i could put all the pedals on my main case but since im checking it
in i want to take advantage and fit as much weight as possible on the
pedalboard and have room on my main bags,i just dont know how safe this
would be.
thanx for your advice!
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well people as im getting ready to fly ive decided to go the pedal route in=
stead of laptop and FCB1010 since im just doing a 1/2&quot; hour set.<br>Hs=
as anybody ever checked in a pedalboard with pedals,cables etc. at the airp=
ort? how safe is this?you think they will go through this stuff and dismant=
le it?<br>
is there anything i can do so they dont mess evrrything up, like perhaps pu=
tting a list fo everything thats inside or do you have a wiser advice?<br>i=
 know i could put all the pedals on my main case but since im checking it i=
n i want to take advantage and fit as much weight as possible on the pedalb=
oard and have room on my main bags,i just dont know how safe this would be.=
<br>
thanx for your advice!<br>Luis<br><br>

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oh, thank you Mark, you are great!
I knew that some competent friend like you could not resist to help a little!

On 5 Oct 2010, at 07:27, mark francombe wrote:

> I am going to remain very quiet on this one...

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On 5 Oct 2010, at 08:05, Rick Walker wrote:

> HI everyone,
>=20
> I am so completely and utterly over my head with this years' festival
> that I cannot possibly undertake a single other 'task'.  Not one more =
thing!
>=20
> I love Matthias's idea but it's up to you guys to document this =
festival
> if you want it documented.

oh, sure, you would have been the last person I would have asked to do =
something ;-)
>=20
> I'm working as hard as I possibly can, day and night, to make sure =
that it even occurs.
>=20
> I do know two things:
>=20
> Bob Amstadt said he would try to document part of it..... so.....
>=20
> 1) why doesn't someone (Fabio?  Matthias?) contact him and ask him if
> they could borrow his equipment for the times when he can't document =
it?

I did yesterday...
>=20
> 2)  The wonderful live video artist, Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is =
going to be
> doing a documentary film on this 10th anniversary live looping =
festival so
> there will be some footage emerging from that I imagine.

great, I did not know! are you on the list, Mark?
>=20
> 3)  I encourage people to take 'guerilla'  footage of people's sets to
> augment the point and shoot method of the ustream footage.
> That's what I'm going to do during my sets.

I do not think I understand that... live mixing of cameras?
or are you going to ask someone to operate the general camera while you =
play?
>=20
> Everyone has great ideas......................I challenge you all to =
do something
> proactive about it instead of waiting around for someone to organize =
it for you.

yeah, I know, my biggest problem is the ideas... I could have such a =
relaxed life without them...
>=20
> just sayin'
>=20
>=20
> see you all there...............I'll be a little the worse for wear,  =
I warn you,
> but I'll be there with bells and whistles on to represent!
>=20
> rick walker
>=20

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On 5 Oct 2010, at 07:25, andy butler wrote:

> Matthias Grob wrote:
>=20
>> one thing is to run a camera on a stand to have a general document
>> a totally different thing is to follow the player to make a nice =
video
>> while we probably do not have any professional or some one patient do =
carefully do the whole event,
>=20
> Most of the work would be in the editing.

thats why I suggest to reduce the quantity of material to 3 min / artist =
from the start

> Apart from that I'm sure it would be easy to make the footage.
>=20
>> someone grabs the camera (or a second camera?!) and does close ups =
and whatever he becomes inspired to...=20
>=20
> Sound on Sound had a great article about this recently.
>=20
> Really you need at least one camera on a tripod,
> in addition to any close ups.

sure, thats the professional way.=20
with only one camera, there are always moments of movement that look bad
- with is not a huge problem for our use, in my opinion...
>=20
> Then it's possible to pick the good parts of the close up footage,
> and cut to the tripod-cam for the rest.
> If the tripod cam is good quality it'll will be possible to zoom
> & pan the footage from that for added interest

right, two people operating is perfect!
>=20
> Sound would need to be recorded at the desk, and synced in the =
editing.

yes, or more perfectly: 2ch room mic / 2 ch line direct=20
the mix of it sounds natural and fat and contains all screems and such  =
:-)
>=20
> andy
>=20
>=20
>=20

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Luis sedd
>>i just dont know how safe this would be.


I have no idea, but.. apart from my laptop (cold dead hands and all that) Im
checking everything... guitar... and er... suitcase... very very big
suitcase, with er... lots and lots of socks in... I have smelly feet ok? I
need socks!

In the old days, there were scary things called Carnets, that we used to
have to do... complete lists of gear with serial numbers, just in case we
sold the shit, just in case Im gonna bring a list with me.. but basicaly my
theory is this... if they nab it and delay it, then I borrow gear and have
lots of fun and some good stories... if not then.. all is well.

I dont think they will dismantle dismantle, but Im pretty sure they will
poke about...

I have really pared down my pedal board and stuck the really necessary on a
piece of wood, partly to save space, but also cos my cat pissed in my real
pedal board, and that SURE is gonna attract the doggies!!

Mark






On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com>wrote:

> well people as im getting ready to fly ive decided to go the pedal route
> instead of laptop and FCB1010 since im just doing a 1/2" hour set.
> Hsas anybody ever checked in a pedalboard with pedals,cables etc. at the
> airport? how safe is this?you think they will go through this stuff and
> dismantle it?
> is there anything i can do so they dont mess evrrything up, like perhaps
> putting a list fo everything thats inside or do you have a wiser advice?
> i know i could put all the pedals on my main case but since im checking it
> in i want to take advantage and fit as much weight as possible on the
> pedalboard and have room on my main bags,i just dont know how safe this
> would be.
> thanx for your advice!
> Luis
>
>


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Luis sedd<br>&gt;&gt;i just dont know how safe this would be.<br>
<br><br>I have no idea, but.. apart from my laptop (cold dead hands and all=
 that) Im checking everything... guitar... and er... suitcase... very very =
big suitcase, with er... lots and lots of socks in... I have smelly feet ok=
? I need socks!<br>

<br>In the old days, there were scary things called Carnets, that we used t=
o have to do... complete lists of gear with serial numbers, just in case we=
 sold the shit, just in case Im gonna bring a list with me.. but basicaly m=
y theory is this... if they nab it and delay it, then I borrow gear and hav=
e lots of fun and some good stories... if not then.. all is well.<br>

<br>I dont think they will dismantle dismantle, but Im pretty sure they wil=
l poke about...<br><br>I have really pared down my pedal board and stuck th=
e really necessary on a piece of wood, partly to save space, but also cos m=
y cat pissed in my real pedal board, and that SURE is gonna attract the dog=
gies!!<br>

<br>Mark<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct =
5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Louie Angulo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lo=
uie.angulo@googlemail.com">louie.angulo@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">well people as im=
 getting ready to fly ive decided to go the pedal route instead of laptop a=
nd FCB1010 since im just doing a 1/2&quot; hour set.<br>

Hsas anybody ever checked in a pedalboard with pedals,cables etc. at the ai=
rport? how safe is this?you think they will go through this stuff and disma=
ntle it?<br>
is there anything i can do so they dont mess evrrything up, like perhaps pu=
tting a list fo everything thats inside or do you have a wiser advice?<br>i=
 know i could put all the pedals on my main case but since im checking it i=
n i want to take advantage and fit as much weight as possible on the pedalb=
oard and have room on my main bags,i just dont know how safe this would be.=
<br>


thanx for your advice!<br>Luis<br><br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D=
"http://www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markfrancomb=
e<br>

<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br>=
<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

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Take a look at these guys.

http://www.discmakers.com/

2010/10/5 Erdem Helvacioglu <erdemhel@tnn.net>

>  hi,
>
> i have just finished mixing 2 new duo records. one with the great bill
> walker and the other one with craig green. i am searching for the best
> option for cd manufacturing of 500 or 1000 copies. any ideas? of course,
> since the records will be released in usa, the manufacturing has to be done
> in usa too.
>
> thanks a lot and best regards.
>
> p.s. wish everyone the best for the looping festival. unfortunately i will
> miss this one :(
>
> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
>
> New duo album with Per Boysen out now.
> http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com
>



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tp://www.discmakers.com/</a><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/10/5 Er=
dem Helvacioglu <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:erdemhel@tnn.net">e=
rdemhel@tnn.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">





<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">hi,</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">i have just finished mixing 2 new duo =
records. one=20
with the great bill walker and the other one with craig green. i am searchi=
ng=20
for the best option for cd manufacturing of 500 or 1000 copies. any ideas? =
of=20
course, since the records will be released in usa, the manufacturing has to=
 be=20
done in usa too.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">thanks a lot and best regards.</font><=
/div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">p.s. wish everyone the best for the lo=
oping=20
festival. unfortunately i will miss this one :(</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><a href=3D"http://www.erdemhelvacioglu=
.com" target=3D"_blank">www.erdemhelvacioglu.com</a></font></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">New duo album with Per Boysen out now.=
<br><a href=3D"http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com" target=3D"=
_blank">http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com</a></font></div>



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I tried discmakers once and had problems. Fortunately, it was only a =
demo.

On Oct 5, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Tony K wrote:

> Take a look at these guys.
>=20
> http://www.discmakers.com/
>=20
> 2010/10/5 Erdem Helvacioglu <erdemhel@tnn.net>
> hi,
> =20
> i have just finished mixing 2 new duo records. one with the great bill =
walker and the other one with craig green. i am searching for the best =
option for cd manufacturing of 500 or 1000 copies. any ideas? of course, =
since the records will be released in usa, the manufacturing has to be =
done in usa too.
> =20
> thanks a lot and best regards.
> =20
> p.s. wish everyone the best for the looping festival. unfortunately i =
will miss this one :(
> =20
> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
> =20
> New duo album with Per Boysen out now.
> http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com
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>=20
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> -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D-=20
> Tony


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<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I tried discmakers once and had problems. Fortunately, it was only a demo.<div><br><div><div>On Oct 5, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Tony K wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Take a look at these guys.<br><br><a href="http://www.discmakers.com/">http://www.discmakers.com/</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/5 Erdem Helvacioglu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:erdemhel@tnn.net">erdemhel@tnn.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">





<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">hi,</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">i have just finished mixing 2 new duo records. one 
with the great bill walker and the other one with craig green. i am searching 
for the best option for cd manufacturing of 500 or 1000 copies. any ideas? of 
course, since the records will be released in usa, the manufacturing has to be 
done in usa too.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">thanks a lot and best regards.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">p.s. wish everyone the best for the looping 
festival. unfortunately i will miss this one :(</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"><a href="http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com/" target="_blank">www.erdemhelvacioglu.com</a></font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">New duo album with Per Boysen out now.<br><a href="http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com/" target="_blank">http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com</a></font></div>



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Matthias Grob wrote:

>> Then it's possible to pick the good parts of the close up footage,
>> and cut to the tripod-cam for the rest.
>> If the tripod cam is good quality it'll will be possible to zoom
>> & pan the footage from that for added interest
> 
> right, two people operating is perfect!

I don't disagree, but I meant that pan &
zoom can be done on static footage when editing.
(I'm just quoting the article though, I wasn't able to try this)

andy



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Gentlemen, I'm offering the basic service that I did last year.  
Anything more advanced and somebody else will need to take over.

Sorry, but that is all I can handle right now.

--Bob Amstadt

On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:56 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

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>
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yes my only fear is that they will lose my gear or most importantly my =
guitar, I don't know where I could borrow a sustainor equipped axe. I =
thought about shipping but I am checking suitcase and said axe as =
baggage.

I am going to call American Airlines and see if there might be room for =
a guitar in the cabin somewhere. Gaetano has said that they will =
possibly accommodate him if it's in a soft small case.=20

I am taking a very minimal setup so it will fit in a regular suitcase. =
may have to buy clothes when I arrive, although Gaetano has said he may =
have some sharp Italian dudes for me :)

I hardly like to leave my apartment so this will be an adventure for =
sure! I am looking forward to meeting many of you there.

peace out,

J
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mark francombe=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 3:06 PM
  Subject: Re: taking a Pedalboard full of pedals on the plane


  Luis sedd
  >>i just dont know how safe this would be.


  I have no idea, but.. apart from my laptop (cold dead hands and all =
that) Im checking everything... guitar... and er... suitcase... very =
very big suitcase, with er... lots and lots of socks in... I have smelly =
feet ok? I need socks!

  In the old days, there were scary things called Carnets, that we used =
to have to do... complete lists of gear with serial numbers, just in =
case we sold the shit, just in case Im gonna bring a list with me.. but =
basicaly my theory is this... if they nab it and delay it, then I borrow =
gear and have lots of fun and some good stories... if not then.. all is =
well.

  I dont think they will dismantle dismantle, but Im pretty sure they =
will poke about...

  I have really pared down my pedal board and stuck the really necessary =
on a piece of wood, partly to save space, but also cos my cat pissed in =
my real pedal board, and that SURE is gonna attract the doggies!!

  Mark







  On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Louie Angulo =
<louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:

    well people as im getting ready to fly ive decided to go the pedal =
route instead of laptop and FCB1010 since im just doing a 1/2" hour set.
    Hsas anybody ever checked in a pedalboard with pedals,cables etc. at =
the airport? how safe is this?you think they will go through this stuff =
and dismantle it?
    is there anything i can do so they dont mess evrrything up, like =
perhaps putting a list fo everything thats inside or do you have a wiser =
advice?
    i know i could put all the pedals on my main case but since im =
checking it in i want to take advantage and fit as much weight as =
possible on the pedalboard and have room on my main bags,i just dont =
know how safe this would be.
    thanx for your advice!
    Luis





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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:

>  I don't know where I could borrow a sustainor equipped axe


>From me? Except mines a fernandes...

-- 
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whoo hoo! Me too, I am bringing one of my 2 Retrorockets, I also have an =
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you da man! Hopefully we will both get there gear/axe's intact :)

J
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     I don't know where I could borrow a sustainor equipped axe

  From me? Except mines a fernandes...=20

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A good seven or eight times out of ten, I'm able to take my full-size 
acoustic guitar onto the plane, in a hard gig bag. An electric will be 
even easier (in a gig bag). Crews are almost always very helpful - 
they'd rather you NOT check an instrument. Often they can find space in 
a closet, most often they allow me to find space of my own in the 
overhead. Make sure to book a seat way in the back, get in line to get 
on the plane as early as possible, run back there and claim your space.

Regarding the pedalboard, I'd check the board itself, but take your most 
valuable pedals onboard in a big laptop bag or rolling carry-on suitcase.

My best travel tip - take minimal clothes and do a load of laundry after 
a few days!

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> yes my only fear is that they will lose my gear or most importantly my
> guitar,

I've had a instrument from 1929 "tagged as suspect luggage and carried
away for termination within 30 minutes if not claimed by the owner" so
I totally get your point, Jeff!

I'll bring a guitar in a sturdy Gator case to check in and a small
second instrument in the cabin, just in case.

mark francombe wrote:
> very very big suitcase, with er... lots and lots of socks in...
> I have smelly feet ok? I need socks!

I bring two pair of socks. And a small bag of white powder in the
guitar case - detergent!

BTW, I'm looking forward to see your sustainer equipped guitars, Mark
and Jeff. I'd like to get such a pick-up for my fretless guitar ASAP.
Some years ago I bought a the mechanical vibrator driven Sustaniac-C
but that turned out to be a mistake as the magnet lost power and it
hardly works at all now. But since my fretless Tele can't handle the
magnetic waves from a sustaine pick-up I need to switch guitar before
I even start looking at sustainer pickups. The French Vigier
Surfretter looks as a very good instrument for the money:
http://www.vigierguitars.com/  I meet many guitar builders in my daily
life and it always surprises my that no one builds fretless necks!

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub

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hi Bob,

wasn't aware that that post would be seen as
an attempt to heap a load of editing work in your direction,

apologies

andy

Bob Amstadt wrote:
> Gentlemen, I'm offering the basic service that I did last year. Anything 
> more advanced and somebody else will need to take over.
> 
> Sorry, but that is all I can handle right now.
> 
> --Bob Amstadt
> 
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:56 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Matthias Grob wrote:
>>
>>>> Then it's possible to pick the good parts of the close up footage,
>>>> and cut to the tripod-cam for the rest.
>>>> If the tripod cam is good quality it'll will be possible to zoom
>>>> & pan the footage from that for added interest
>>> right, two people operating is perfect!
>>
>> I don't disagree, but I meant that pan &
>> zoom can be done on static footage when editing.
>> (I'm just quoting the article though, I wasn't able to try this)
>>
>> andy
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 

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Per,

Alan Hoover of Maniac Music does Sustainiac repairs and is quite friendly.

I've had my model B since 1985 and periodically, yes, things do break.

I never play without the silly thing (it has become so essential to what I do) so it's no surprise things break or wear out.

But, considering I've been using it for a quarter of s century, not all that often.

Give him a call, wrap the whole Model C system up in bubble wrap in a box, and ship it to him.

It's usually nothing serious and always fixable (in my experience).

I just sold off my Model C to a fellow looper on this list (since I've always preferred the older model anyway).

If it isn't working for you, get it fixed . . . perhaps even while you're in the states.

I feel somewhat responsible I guess, since I feel like I talked you into the thing in some way.

But there is no sense not getting it fixed . . . even if it's only to turn around and sell it on Ebay.

Cheers,

Ted

---- Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: 

=============
Some years ago I bought a the mechanical vibrator driven Sustaniac-C
but that turned out to be a mistake as the magnet lost power and it
hardly works at all now. 

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Shoot... I was hoping someone would point out something I overlooked...

Looks like running 2 EDP's on separate midi channels AND controlling them as
a stereo pair with the FCB1010 is not to be had straight out of the box.

I *really* appreciate everyone's time and input.  Happy looping to all :)

Thanks,
Adam

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Shoot... I was hoping someone would point out something I overlooked...=A0 =
<br><br>Looks like running 2 EDP&#39;s on separate midi channels AND contro=
lling them as a stereo pair with the FCB1010 is not to be had straight out =
of the box.<br>
<br>I <b><u><i>really</i></u></b> appreciate everyone&#39;s time and input.=
=A0 Happy looping to all :)<br><br>Thanks,<br>Adam<br>

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This is what I'm doing now and I love it. Two DL4s with volume pedals and an a/b switch. Switch from one to the other, fade out the first when you're tired of it. You can fade it with the volume pedal or by putting it into overdub mode and letting it fade out on its own while you're playing with the other looper. It's a nice, organic way to work, IMO.

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On Oct 4, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah - get a second looper and a channel a/b switch, and practice
> transitioning from one to another. Doing this right is still the
> hardest part of my live sets - finding a way to get out of that
> "infinite" DL-4 loop.
> 
> Basically I have a DL-4 going into one mixer channel, and a pair of
> old 4 second loopers in sequence going into another mixer channel.
> (The 4 second loopers are also great for introducing elements that
> don't repeat at the same intervals as the main loop - making it sound
> less 'canned'.)
> 
> This setup leads to a lot of DJ style thinking: Has this "song" been
> going on too long? How do I transition it into the next "song"? Should
> it be smooth and graceful, or just a sudden cut? Or should I stop
> looping all together and play only "live" for a while?
> 
> -- 
> Matt Davignon
> mattdavignon@gmail.com
> www.ribosomemusic.com
> Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt
> 
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
>> In endeavoring to strip my rig down, I've been playing with just the looper in the Line 6 M13. This is fun, but I find myself recording a loop and then just leaving it be while I play over the top. From a live looping standpoint, this feels like cheating. Everything turns into one long ambient guitar solo over a static loop which isn't really what I was after. Yes, I could go play with half speed and reverse and sometimes I do, but I still end up back at the soloing over a static loop point fairly quickly. Any advice? Does feedback work well enough on the M13 to make it viable for loop evolution? (I'm finding my existing expression pedals don't seem to give all that precise control with Line 6 equipment.) Or is it time to wire the EDP back into the set up?
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
> 

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On Oct 5, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> I think, my suggetion in general would be:
> - Song-style looping artist ==> Boomerang 3 (master loop function nice)
> - Ambient looper ==> RC-50 (more options - and yes, feedback possible ;-) )
> 

Interesting. In my experience the RC-50 is still very song-based. I find the Line 6 loopers better for ambient music.

Darren

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Discmakers.com?

I've only done one run with them, but was pleased with the results.

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On Oct 5, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu <erdemhel@tnn.net> wrote:

> hi,
>  
> i have just finished mixing 2 new duo records. one with the great bill walker and the other one with craig green. i am searching for the best option for cd manufacturing of 500 or 1000 copies. any ideas? of course, since the records will be released in usa, the manufacturing has to be done in usa too.
>  
> thanks a lot and best regards.
>  
> p.s. wish everyone the best for the looping festival. unfortunately i will miss this one :(
>  
> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
>  
> New duo album with Per Boysen out now.
> http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com

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<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><a href="http://Discmakers.com">Discmakers.com</a>?</div><div><br></div><div>I've only done one run with them, but was pleased with the results.</div><div><br><div>--</div><div>Darren Nelsen</div><div><a href="http://curiomusic.com">http://curiomusic.com</a></div><div><a href="http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic">http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic</a></div></div><div><br>On Oct 5, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu &lt;<a href="mailto:erdemhel@tnn.net">erdemhel@tnn.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>

<div><font size="2" face="Arial">hi,</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">i have just finished mixing 2 new duo records. one 
with the great bill walker and the other one with craig green. i am searching 
for the best option for cd manufacturing of 500 or 1000 copies. any ideas? of 
course, since the records will be released in usa, the manufacturing has to be 
done in usa too.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">thanks a lot and best regards.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">p.s. wish everyone the best for the looping 
festival. unfortunately i will miss this one :(</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"><a href="http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com"><a href="http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com">www.erdemhelvacioglu.com</a></a></font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">New duo album with Per Boysen out now.<br><a href="http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com"><a href="http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com">http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com</a></a></font></div>




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Also note that if you have a pre-2007 Model C, it=20
can be upgraded to a stronger neodimium magnet:

http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm


At 2010.10.05 04:22 PM, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn wrote:
>Per,
>
>Alan Hoover of Maniac Music does Sustainiac repairs and is quite friendly.
>
>I've had my model B since 1985 and periodically, yes, things do break.
>
>I never play without the silly thing (it has=20
>become so essential to what I do) so it's no surprise things break or wear=
 out.
>
>But, considering I've been using it for a=20
>quarter of s century, not all that often.
>
>Give him a call, wrap the whole Model C system=20
>up in bubble wrap in a box, and ship it to him.
>
>It's usually nothing serious and always fixable (in my experience).
>
>I just sold off my Model C to a fellow looper on=20
>this list (since I've always preferred the older model anyway).
>
>If it isn't working for you, get it fixed . . .=20
>perhaps even while you're in the states.
>
>I feel somewhat responsible I guess, since I=20
>feel like I talked you into the thing in some way.
>
>But there is no sense not getting it fixed . . .=20
>even if it's only to turn around and sell it on Ebay.

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=46rom: Art Simon <simart@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:39:02 -0700
>
>I've toyed with the idea of building a rack mount music computer. I
>especially like the idea of built-in touchscreen, so you wouldn't need =
to
>have a keyboard and monitor on stage. Here's an example:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811321006&Tpk=3DR=
PC-919T
>
>What's kept me from doing it is that most of the rack mount server cases=
 are
>too deep for the typical musicians 19" flight case, and while it would =
be
>portable, it would be awkward and heavy to carry. Also, the costs start =
to
>add up. A laptop seems much more cost effective...  ...The alienware =
M11x
>is slightly larger than a netbook and costs under $1000. It could make a
>very portable and unobtrusive music laptop.
http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/alienware-m11x/pd.aspx?refid=3Da=
lienware-m11x&cs=3D19&s=3Ddhs

Good points, thanks for the links,
-- G.

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http://blogs.sfweekly.com/shookdown/2010/09/prague_rock_free_radiohead_con.php

Maybe you could get the audience involved.
Make an announcement at the show and in any PR you do.
Maybe offer a prize for the best footage.

Wish I could be there.

Andre





On Tue, October 5, 2010 6:28 pm, andy butler wrote:
> hi Bob,
>
> wasn't aware that that post would be seen as
> an attempt to heap a load of editing work in your direction,
>
> apologies
>
> andy
>
> Bob Amstadt wrote:
>> Gentlemen, I'm offering the basic service that I did last year. Anything
>> more advanced and somebody else will need to take over.
>>
>> Sorry, but that is all I can handle right now.
>>
>> --Bob Amstadt
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:56 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Matthias Grob wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Then it's possible to pick the good parts of the close up footage,
>>>>> and cut to the tripod-cam for the rest.
>>>>> If the tripod cam is good quality it'll will be possible to zoom
>>>>> & pan the footage from that for added interest
>>>> right, two people operating is perfect!
>>>
>>> I don't disagree, but I meant that pan &
>>> zoom can be done on static footage when editing.
>>> (I'm just quoting the article though, I wasn't able to try this)
>>>
>>> andy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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=46rom: james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:52:29 -0400
>sure.  here goes:

Thanks james.  :)
-- G.

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=46rom: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
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Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit
>With a structure like that, there's no need to boot/load the program =
(i.e. it=20
>would startup right after power is supplied), realtime behaviour would =
be easy=20
>to guarantee, and the risk of system crashes would be much smaller.
>
>So the idea was to have M=F6bius in a device which doesn't have all of =
the=20
>negative aspects usually associated with computers.
>         Rainer

A couple of months ago I was pondering a turn key system like this for
my floorboard... no doubt there were many concerns.

However since aquiring a really great rack effect unit, I need a
computer to drive the editing software for three of my units.
My thinking was, well I may as well get a light small laptop for that
and fit it in a rack sliding draw.... then thought Ah! And when I'm not
editing (ie when I'm playing) I could use it for looping.
Hence why I've veered in that direction.

Perhaps a dedicated looping unit would be better, but (for me) it's more
money, takes up more space and adds complexity (including a laptop
running editors).  Thinking about it there's nothing stopping me getting
the laptop and using it for everything.  If it becomes too much of a
headache and I run into problems, then I'll consider something similar
to what you describe.
-- G.

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I've done it many times. =20
Never had anything busted up.  I have mine in an Anvil case =
(Pedaltrain).  And it's always a good idea to put underwear and socks =
etc in the case.  It's extra protection for the pedals and it slows down =
the snoopy baggage handlers.  DIRTY underwear is most effective.

As always, get insurance.

Did I say get insurance?

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On Oct 5, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Louie Angulo wrote:

> well people as im getting ready to fly ive decided to go the pedal =
route instead of laptop and FCB1010 since im just doing a 1/2" hour set.
> Hsas anybody ever checked in a pedalboard with pedals,cables etc. at =
the airport? how safe is this?you think they will go through this stuff =
and dismantle it?
> is there anything i can do so they dont mess evrrything up, like =
perhaps putting a list fo everything thats inside or do you have a wiser =
advice?
> i know i could put all the pedals on my main case but since im =
checking it in i want to take advantage and fit as much weight as =
possible on the pedalboard and have room on my main bags,i just dont =
know how safe this would be.
> thanx for your advice!
> Luis
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do you get insurance at the airport for this?

j
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  I've done it many times. =20
  Never had anything busted up.  I have mine in an Anvil case =
(Pedaltrain).  And it's always a good idea to put underwear and socks =
etc in the case.  It's extra protection for the pedals and it slows down =
the snoopy baggage handlers.  DIRTY underwear is most effective.


  As always, get insurance.


  Did I say get insurance?


  R

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  www.hayleysales.com





















  On Oct 5, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Louie Angulo wrote:


    well people as im getting ready to fly ive decided to go the pedal =
route instead of laptop and FCB1010 since im just doing a 1/2" hour set.
    Hsas anybody ever checked in a pedalboard with pedals,cables etc. at =
the airport? how safe is this?you think they will go through this stuff =
and dismantle it?
    is there anything i can do so they dont mess evrrything up, like =
perhaps putting a list fo everything thats inside or do you have a wiser =
advice?
    i know i could put all the pedals on my main case but since im =
checking it in i want to take advantage and fit as much weight as =
possible on the pedalboard and have room on my main bags,i just dont =
know how safe this would be.
    thanx for your advice!
    Luis




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Here's another possible solution, less trouble=20
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touch screen, but I prefer to use the mouse. And=20
this is cheaper than build it yourself....=20
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3D7_124&item_id=3D0326=
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I just got one of these for my wife, 20 inch=20
touch screen or wireless mouse and keyboard....=20
I'd be a little concerned how to travel with it,=20
but still I'm sure a bunch of creative people=20
could come up with a way.... do we know any creative people around here????

Paul Haslem
www.dulcify.ca
Ontario, Canada





At 10:47 PM 10/5/2010, you wrote:
>From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:04:16 PM
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> >With a structure like that, there's no need to=20
> boot/load the program (i.e. it
> >would startup right after power is supplied),=20
> realtime behaviour would be easy
> >to guarantee, and the risk of system crashes would be much smaller.
> >
> >So the idea was to have M=F6bius in a device which doesn't have all of=
 the
> >negative aspects usually associated with computers.
> >         Rainer
>
>A couple of months ago I was pondering a turn key system like this for
>my floorboard... no doubt there were many concerns.
>
>However since aquiring a really great rack effect unit, I need a
>computer to drive the editing software for three of my units.
>My thinking was, well I may as well get a light small laptop for that
>and fit it in a rack sliding draw.... then thought Ah! And when I'm not
>editing (ie when I'm playing) I could use it for looping.
>Hence why I've veered in that direction.
>
>Perhaps a dedicated looping unit would be better, but (for me) it's more
>money, takes up more space and adds complexity (including a laptop
>running editors).  Thinking about it there's nothing stopping me getting
>the laptop and using it for everything.  If it becomes too much of a
>headache and I run into problems, then I'll consider something similar
>to what you describe.
>-- G.

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Here's another possible solution, less trouble than my setup which is:
rackmount computer, small touch screen, but I prefer to use the mouse.
And this is cheaper than build it yourself....
<a=
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tem_id=3D032610" eudora=3D"autourl">
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http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3D7_124&amp;item_id=3D=
032610</a>
 <br><br>
</font>I just got one of these for my wife, 20 inch touch screen or
wireless mouse and keyboard.... I'd be a little concerned how to travel
with it, but still I'm sure a bunch of creative people could come up with
a way.... do we know any creative people around here????<br><br>
Paul Haslem<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.dulcify.ca/" eudora=3D"autourl">www.dulcify.ca<br>
</a>Ontario, Canada<br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
At 10:47 PM 10/5/2010, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">From: Rainer Straschill
&lt;moinsound@googlemail.com&gt;<br>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:04:16 PM<br>
Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit<br>
&gt;With a structure like that, there's no need to boot/load the program
(i.e. it <br>
&gt;would startup right after power is supplied), realtime behaviour
would be easy <br>
&gt;to guarantee, and the risk of system crashes would be much
smaller.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;So the idea was to have M=F6bius in a device which doesn't have all of
the <br>
&gt;negative aspects usually associated with computers.<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Rainer<br><br>
A couple of months ago I was pondering a turn key system like this
for<br>
my floorboard... no doubt there were many concerns.<br><br>
However since aquiring a really great rack effect unit, I need a<br>
computer to drive the editing software for three of my units.<br>
My thinking was, well I may as well get a light small laptop for
that<br>
and fit it in a rack sliding draw.... then thought Ah! And when I'm
not<br>
editing (ie when I'm playing) I could use it for looping.<br>
Hence why I've veered in that direction.<br><br>
Perhaps a dedicated looping unit would be better, but (for me) it's
more<br>
money, takes up more space and adds complexity (including a laptop<br>
running editors).&nbsp; Thinking about it there's nothing stopping me
getting<br>
the laptop and using it for everything.&nbsp; If it becomes too much of
a<br>
headache and I run into problems, then I'll consider something
similar<br>
to what you describe.<br>
-- G.</blockquote></body>
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i wonder if any one has been experiencing what I have been with my  
M-9's looper, I have an expression pedal set to control both the  
volume and the feedback of the looper and I've been leaving the looper  
at the front of the effects chain so I can change the effects post  
loop. What happens is after i create a loop, if i am in overdub mode  
and have the pedal off (heal down) so that the feedback is at minimum  
and volume is also at minimum, when I put my toe down and bring the  
loop back up , it has faded away as i want it too, but it is also full  
of artifacts and is severely degraded, not just faded. It may have to  
do with being if half speed, but it seems like a phenomena when you  
leave the looper in overdub mode with ought adding anything new anyone  
else have this issue?
  Bill

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Bill, i just tested mine like that with no artifacts. I built a loop in half 
speed and then brought volume and overdub all the way down via ex ped. I 
also built one in normal speed then put it in half speed and did the same 
and it just comes up blank if I don't add anything to it.. No artifacts.
see ya at Y2K!

Jeff


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>i wonder if any one has been experiencing what I have been with my  M-9's 
>looper, I have an expression pedal set to control both the  volume and the 
>feedback of the looper and I've been leaving the looper  at the front of 
>the effects chain so I can change the effects post  loop. What happens is 
>after i create a loop, if i am in overdub mode  and have the pedal off 
>(heal down) so that the feedback is at minimum  and volume is also at 
>minimum, when I put my toe down and bring the  loop back up , it has faded 
>away as i want it too, but it is also full  of artifacts and is severely 
>degraded, not just faded. It may have to  do with being if half speed, but 
>it seems like a phenomena when you  leave the looper in overdub mode with 
>ought adding anything new anyone  else have this issue?
>  Bill
> 

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Subject: Re: taking a Pedalboard full of pedals on the plane
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Have you checked out Ned Evett? He plays a mean fretless w/Fernandes 
sustainor. With a glass fretboard also.
http://www.unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=interviews/ned_evett

Check this out at about 3 min in it changes to a great looped demo of it in 
the middle of the song for some reason, the full version of that middle 
section doesnt play any more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j10F9_K9O7Y&feature=related

best,

J


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com>
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> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> yes my only fear is that they will lose my gear or most importantly my
>> guitar,
>
> I've had a instrument from 1929 "tagged as suspect luggage and carried
> away for termination within 30 minutes if not claimed by the owner" so
> I totally get your point, Jeff!
>
> I'll bring a guitar in a sturdy Gator case to check in and a small
> second instrument in the cabin, just in case.
>
> mark francombe wrote:
>> very very big suitcase, with er... lots and lots of socks in...
>> I have smelly feet ok? I need socks!
>
> I bring two pair of socks. And a small bag of white powder in the
> guitar case - detergent!
>
> BTW, I'm looking forward to see your sustainer equipped guitars, Mark
> and Jeff. I'd like to get such a pick-up for my fretless guitar ASAP.
> Some years ago I bought a the mechanical vibrator driven Sustaniac-C
> but that turned out to be a mistake as the magnet lost power and it
> hardly works at all now. But since my fretless Tele can't handle the
> magnetic waves from a sustaine pick-up I need to switch guitar before
> I even start looking at sustainer pickups. The French Vigier
> Surfretter looks as a very good instrument for the money:
> http://www.vigierguitars.com/  I meet many guitar builders in my daily
> life and it always surprises my that no one builds fretless necks!
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
> 

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You can always set your computer up to autorun your looping software. I did=
 this for a while.Just press the power button and let it boot your software=
 while you plug other stuff in.
=20
G

=20
> Date: Wed=2C 6 Oct 2010 14:47:58 +1200
> From: gigs@paradise.net.nz
> Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Sun=2C September 12=2C 2010 12:04:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit
> >With a structure like that=2C there's no need to boot/load the program (=
i.e. it=20
> >would startup right after power is supplied)=2C realtime behaviour would=
 be easy=20
> >to guarantee=2C and the risk of system crashes would be much smaller.
> >
> >So the idea was to have M=F6bius in a device which doesn't have all of t=
he=20
> >negative aspects usually associated with computers.
> > Rainer
>=20
> A couple of months ago I was pondering a turn key system like this for
> my floorboard... no doubt there were many concerns.
>=20
> However since aquiring a really great rack effect unit=2C I need a
> computer to drive the editing software for three of my units.
> My thinking was=2C well I may as well get a light small laptop for that
> and fit it in a rack sliding draw.... then thought Ah! And when I'm not
> editing (ie when I'm playing) I could use it for looping.
> Hence why I've veered in that direction.
>=20
> Perhaps a dedicated looping unit would be better=2C but (for me) it's mor=
e
> money=2C takes up more space and adds complexity (including a laptop
> running editors). Thinking about it there's nothing stopping me getting
> the laptop and using it for everything. If it becomes too much of a
> headache and I run into problems=2C then I'll consider something similar
> to what you describe.
> -- G.
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You can always set your computer up to autorun your looping software. I did=
 this for a while.Just press the power button and let it boot your software=
&nbsp=3Bwhile you plug other stuff in.<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
G<BR>
<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>
&gt=3B Date: Wed=2C 6 Oct 2010 14:47:58 +1200<BR>&gt=3B From: gigs@paradise=
.net.nz<BR>&gt=3B Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit<BR>&gt=3B To: Loopers-=
Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B From: Rainer Straschill &l=
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light.com<BR>&gt=3B Sent: Sun=2C September 12=2C 2010 12:04:16 PM<BR>&gt=3B=
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hat=2C there's no need to boot/load the program (i.e. it <BR>&gt=3B &gt=3Bw=
ould startup right after power is supplied)=2C realtime behaviour would be =
easy <BR>&gt=3B &gt=3Bto guarantee=2C and the risk of system crashes would =
be much smaller.<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3BSo the idea was to have M=
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my units.<BR>&gt=3B My thinking was=2C well I may as well get a light small=
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ht Ah! And when I'm not<BR>&gt=3B editing (ie when I'm playing) I could use=
 it for looping.<BR>&gt=3B Hence why I've veered in that direction.<BR>&gt=
=3B <BR>&gt=3B Perhaps a dedicated looping unit would be better=2C but (for=
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including a laptop<BR>&gt=3B running editors). Thinking about it there's no=
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I have also been having quite rare problems with the M-9 looper, although m=
ine are not related to the use of expression pedals.  Very occasionally, I =
find that the most recent overdub sounds EXTREMELY distorted, as though bei=
ng played through a ring modulator.  The older layers in the loop are unaff=
ected.  This tends to occur more often when using longish loops (20 secs +)=
, and especially after heavy use of the reverse button while in overdub.  H=
owever, it has also occurred at least once using a loop of only a few secon=
ds, when I only had 2 or 3 quiet layers running with no FX (ie, no chance o=
f any volume overloading).  Line 6's answer was to reinstall the firmware (=
v 2.01), which I did a few days ago.  This initially seemed to solve the pr=
oblem, but I just had a recurrence.  Line 6 have not yet responded to my la=
test report of this.=0A=0AI'd be keen to hear of any other similar tales of=
 woe regarding the M9 looper.   =0A=0AStephen=0Awww.myspace.com/sylvianfish=
er=0A=0A=0A--- On Wed, 6/10/10, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wro=
te:=0A=0A> From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>=0A> Subject: M-9 l=
ooper issues=0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Date: Wednesda=
y, 6 October, 2010, 3:47=0A> i wonder if any one has been=0A> experiencing =
what I have been with my M-9's looper, I have=0A> an expression pedal set t=
o control both the volume and the=0A> feedback of the looper and I've been =
leaving the looper at=0A> the front of the effects chain so I can change th=
e effects=0A> post loop. What happens is after i create a loop, if i am in=
=0A> overdub mode and have the pedal off (heal down) so that the=0A> feedba=
ck is at minimum and volume is also at minimum, when I=0A> put my toe down =
and bring the loop back up , it has faded=0A> away as i want it too, but it=
 is also full of artifacts and=0A> is severely degraded, not just faded. It=
 may have to do with=0A> being if half speed, but it seems like a phenomena=
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That´s my opinion too. If I need Ambient Sounds I add my Boss DD 20 with
Delay functions to my setup.

Christo
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> On Oct 5, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> I think, my suggetion in general would be:
>> - Song-style looping artist ==> Boomerang 3 (master loop function nice)
>> - Ambient looper ==> RC-50 (more options - and yes, feedback possible 
>> ;-) )
>>
>
> Interesting. In my experience the RC-50 is still very song-based. I find 
> the Line 6 loopers better for ambient music.
>
> Darren
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Hi,
A laptop is probably not part of your rig if you play with two EDPs,
but if it were/is and you have multiple midi outs, you could use
Bidule to remap the midi notes from your FCB to other midi notes.  The
midi signal path would look like this in Bidule:  FCB to Midi out1
AND Midi Note remapper, Remapper to Midi out2.  One key press, two
midi notes.  That's what you need, right?  Of course this may create
some latency...  maybe there's hardware that can do this?
Sylvain


On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:35 PM, ^|>^m <will.it.go.round@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shoot... I was hoping someone would point out something I overlooked...
>
> Looks like running 2 EDP's on separate midi channels AND controlling them=
 as
> a stereo pair with the FCB1010 is not to be had straight out of the box.
>
> I really appreciate everyone's time and input.=A0 Happy looping to all :)
>
> Thanks,
> Adam
>

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I'm an ambient looper and have used an RC-50 in the past and didn't
like it for ambient due to the lack of feedback control per
track/phrase. I know there's a workaround but it only works for 1
track and I need at least 2 tracks. Perhaps Roland will release a new
uberlooper on Namm 2011 ;-)
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http://livelooping.be/

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Got my SoftStep and am happily trying to program it.
So far, I've made the LCD say "woop" which seems like a promising  
start ;-)

http://yfrog.com/e46muj

I'll let you know how it all goes...

So excited to get that FCB1010 brick out of my gearbag

Zoe


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you're holding it upside down, it says 'dOOM'.. hehe.. :)

-cpr

Quoting Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>:

> Got my SoftStep and am happily trying to program it.
> So far, I've made the LCD say "woop" which seems like a promising start ;-)
>
> http://yfrog.com/e46muj
>
> I'll let you know how it all goes...
>
> So excited to get that FCB1010 brick out of my gearbag
>
> Zoe


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Zoe,

Do keep us posted on this.

The soft step is something I am taking a hard look at getting myself.

I am finally making the transition to latop and software (from my mountains of hardware) I have so long planned and so frequently delayed.

Best,

Ted Killian


---- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote: 

=============
Got my SoftStep and am happily trying to program it.
So far, I've made the LCD say "woop" which seems like a promising  
start ;-)

http://yfrog.com/e46muj

I'll let you know how it all goes...

So excited to get that FCB1010 brick out of my gearbag

Zoe



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This is actually a viable short term option.  If I happen to go without the
mac I can just switch to another EDP preset and run the EDP's on the same
channel with the FCB1010 plugged into the EDP's.

I am ultimately looking into getting this piece of hardware to do the
mapping:

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm

This thing looks pretty powerful.  I think it could really expand the
functionality of the FCB1010.

Thank you for the feedback Sylvain :)

Adam

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This is actually a viable short term option.=A0 If I happen to go without t=
he mac I can just switch to another EDP preset and run the EDP&#39;s on the=
 same channel with the FCB1010 plugged into the EDP&#39;s.<br><br>I am ulti=
mately looking into getting this piece of hardware to do the mapping:=A0 <b=
r>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm">http://www.midisolutio=
ns.com/prodevp.htm</a><br><br>This thing looks pretty powerful.=A0 I think =
it could really expand the functionality of the FCB1010.<br><br>Thank you f=
or the feedback Sylvain :)<br>
<br>Adam<br>

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Haha, Woop woop is right! I can't wait to hear about it so I live =
vicariously through you for now. I ordered one on sept 23rd but I was =
told today that they had a delay with manufacturing in China and it =
could be two more weeks before they ship it to me.=20



Todd Matthews


On Oct 6, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:

> Got my SoftStep and am happily trying to program it.
> So far, I've made the LCD say "woop" which seems like a promising =
start ;-)
>=20
> http://yfrog.com/e46muj
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> I'll let you know how it all goes...
>=20
> So excited to get that FCB1010 brick out of my gearbag
>=20
> Zoe
>=20
>=20

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This morning, I discovered how to use my favorite multi-effects unit, the Vox ToneLab LE, for looping AND soloing over the top. I found the information in a forum post on Vox's website (thanks to nmkalen in Germany.) I gave it a shot and it worked great. The looping function, though not as full featured as say a DL4, does a decent job and offers some interesting possibilities. I'm particularly impressed that I can get amp/cab simulation, stompbox, mod/delay, reverb, and looping all at the same time in one unit. And it sounds good too. :)  

Here's what you do:

1) Set the Delay to HOLD.
2) If you set the expression pedal to DELAY/INPUT and put the delay as the last part of the chain (MOD/RV/DLY), you can use the expression pedal to open and close the loop. (Toe down to open the loop and put things in; heel down to close the loop, allowing you to solo over it.) You can swell things into the loop too, which is nice.
3) Switching the CONTROL button allows you to hold the loop or let it decay. (Feedback setting on the HOLD delay controls how quickly the loop decays, of course.)

If you need delay on your path in addition to looping, you can use the Mod Delay setting on the Mod pedal. Limited, but works.

I used a Fuzz setting in the PEDAL switch to differentiate between a clean looped sound and overdriven solo sound.

I was able to get some real nice sounds with this. I'll post an audio and/or video sample soon.

Too bad Vox has discontinued the LE. I think it's one of the best multi-effects units on the market.

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><div><div><div><div></div><div>This morning, I discovered how to use my =
favorite multi-effects unit, the Vox ToneLab LE, for looping AND soloing =
over the top. I found the information in a forum post on Vox's website =
(t<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: =
rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, =
192, 227, 0.222656); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
0.222656); ">hanks to nmkalen in Germany.)&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: =
rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, =
192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
0.230469); ">I gave it a shot and it worked great. The looping function, =
though not as full featured as say a DL4, does a decent job and offers =
some interesting possibilities. I'm particularly impressed that I can =
get<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: =
rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, =
192, 227, 0.222656); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
0.222656); ">&nbsp;amp/cab simulation, stompbox, mod/delay, reverb, and =
looping all at the same time in one unit. And it sounds good too. =
:)&nbsp;<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); =
">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span></div><div><br></div><div>Here's =
what you do:</div><div><br></div><div>1) Set the Delay to =
HOLD.</div><div>2) If you set the expression pedal to DELAY/INPUT and =
put the delay as the last part of the chain (MOD/RV/DLY), you can use =
the expression pedal to open and close the loop. (Toe down to open the =
loop and put things in; heel down to close the loop, allowing you to =
solo over it.) You can swell things into the loop too, which is =
nice.</div><div>3) Switching the CONTROL button allows you to hold the =
loop or let it decay. (Feedback setting on the HOLD delay controls how =
quickly the loop decays, of course.)</div><div><br></div><div>If you =
need delay on your path in addition to looping, you can use the Mod =
Delay setting on the Mod pedal. Limited, but =
works.</div><div><br></div><div>I used a Fuzz setting in the PEDAL =
switch to differentiate between a clean looped sound and overdriven solo =
sound.</div><div><br></div><div>I was able to get some real nice sounds =
with this. I'll post an audio and/or video sample soon.</div><div><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica, Trebuchet, Arial, =
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192, 227, 0.226562); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
0.226562);">Too bad Vox has discontinued the LE. I think it's one of the =
best multi-effects units on the =
market.</span></span></font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
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192, 227, 0.222656); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
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...or a firmware update with feedback control. That would be cool.

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On Oct 6, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm an ambient looper and have used an RC-50 in the past and didn't
> like it for ambient due to the lack of feedback control per
> track/phrase. I know there's a workaround but it only works for 1
> track and I need at least 2 tracks. Perhaps Roland will release a new
> uberlooper on Namm 2011 ;-)
> -- 
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
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Hi All,

We received the initial shipment before all of China went on holiday. We are 
still fulfilling from this run, but it will not take of everyone. Golden week:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Week_(China)

They get more days off than I do... So basically last Friday everyone left for 
vacation with the 2nd shipment sitting there. They get back to work next Monday 
and we should get the 2nd order delivered. These are coming in to us FedEx and 
we will expedite upon receipt. Not what was planned.

The units are beautiful and working great. Please download software and see what 
SoftStep can do. 

Thanks,

Keith
 Keith McMillen 
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www.beamfoundation.org 
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great, let us know how that works out.

That looks like a nice box and I'd be all over it had I not forsaken
hardware...  but $149...  man I have so many little virtual boxes that
do pretty similar things in Bidule...  one patch I made for a recent
project would probably cost me thousands to create physically...  (Of
course, I would have tried to do it differently with h/w).

Sylvain

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:06 PM, ^|>^m <will.it.go.round@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is actually a viable short term option.=A0 If I happen to go without=
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> mac I can just switch to another EDP preset and run the EDP's on the same
> channel with the FCB1010 plugged into the EDP's.
>
> I am ultimately looking into getting this piece of hardware to do the
> mapping:
>
> http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm
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> This thing looks pretty powerful.=A0 I think it could really expand the
> functionality of the FCB1010.
>
> Thank you for the feedback Sylvain :)
>
> Adam
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Thanks Paul,=20
I've bookmarked for a closer look later.
-- G.

>Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit
>From: paul <phaslem@wightman.ca>
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>Here's another possible solution, less trouble=20
>than my setup which is: rackmount computer, small=20
>touch screen, but I prefer to use the mouse. And=20
>this is cheaper than build it yourself....=20
>http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3D7_124&item_id=3D=
032610
>
>I just got one of these for my wife, 20 inch=20
>touch screen or wireless mouse and keyboard....=20
>I'd be a little concerned how to travel with it,=20
>but still I'm sure a bunch of creative people=20
>could come up with a way.... do we know any creative people around =
here????
>
>Paul Haslem

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True, good idea
thanks
-- G.

>From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
>Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 06:44:24 +0000
>You can always set your computer up to autorun your looping software. I =
did this for a while.
>Just press the power button and let it boot your software while you plug=
 other stuff in.
>G

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On 10/6/10 5:58 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:
> Got my SoftStep and am happily trying to program it.
> So far, I've made the LCD say "woop" which seems like a promising start ;-)
>
> http://yfrog.com/e46muj
>
> I'll let you know how it all goes...
>
> So excited to get that FCB1010 brick out of my gearbag
>
> Zoe

Still waiting for mine. Since you're holding it one-handed, I assume 
it's just a bit lighter than the FCB-1010?

Brian

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think I'll report as I go, since otherwise I'll never get around to it!


I downloaded the software, plugged in the pedal (comes with a nice  
long USB cable in case you need to be far away from your computer),  
launched the software and the pedal lit up with its friendly blue  
leds. (reminds me of the dashboard of a mini cooper)It goes without  
saying that the pedal is small, lightweight and cute. Its not TOO  
small though. The numbered buttons are the same size as the one on the  
FCB1010. The navigation arrows are small and I have to look at my  
toes, but I think I'll get the hang of it.

I'm a bit impatient with manuals, so I decided to poke around the  
software interface first. I didn't get very far, and had to go and  
read the manual ;-)
I was stumped at first by all the modes, figuring out what was  
clickable, trying to read the tiny fonts, and understanding the naming  
terminology. However, after almost 2 hours of blundering around I  
managed to grasp the rudiments of the interface and modify some of the  
presets. Now I'm mapping these to run to the basics of my set. (I'm  
told documentation of the presets is coming, so this will be a quicker  
process).

As I started to realize the depth of what the SoftStep does, all the  
interface modes begin to make sense. Every single thing is  
customizable, from what kind of footwork the buttons respond to, to  
how the lights behave (do you want a green light when you press?), to  
how you want to page through your banks. I'm not even scratching the  
surface of this pedal yet. So I'd rather have a complex, nested  
interface where I can control any and everything, to an out-of-the-box  
pedal that is not customizable at all.

So far I've got one "scene" (or what I would call a bank) that sends  
Program Changes on Channel3 to MIDIPipe and one that sends notes to  
Ableton on Channel1. Each scene is accessed by going left or right  
with the navigation arrows. When I'm in my program change scene, the  
navigation up and down arrows increase or decrease in increments of  
10, just like you'd expect.  Now I have to make another scene of notes  
for Ableton, and two scenes for SooperLooper and do some more  
experiments with how I want the pedals to respond to my edwardian  
boots and how the red and green lights should behave.

That's it for now.

Happy times!!

Zoe



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Man... I'm reading these SoftStep post from Zoe... that thing is really
catching my eye...

!!!
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Man... I&#39;m reading these SoftStep post from Zoe... that thing is really catching my eye...<br><br>!!!<br>Adam<br>

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Thank you for the explanation Keith.

Could Golden Week in China have anything to do with week long marathons of
Golden Girls reruns? Globalization!

Thanks for the update, Zoe. That's really exciting. Now you really can fit
your rig in your backpack. With the red and green lights I'll have to set up
a happy holiday's bank.

Todd Matthews

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:

> think I'll report as I go, since otherwise I'll never get around to it!
>
>
> I downloaded the software, plugged in the pedal (comes with a nice long USB
> cable in case you need to be far away from your computer), launched the
> software and the pedal lit up with its friendly blue leds. (reminds me of
> the dashboard of a mini cooper)It goes without saying that the pedal is
> small, lightweight and cute. Its not TOO small though. The numbered buttons
> are the same size as the one on the FCB1010. The navigation arrows are small
> and I have to look at my toes, but I think I'll get the hang of it.
>
> I'm a bit impatient with manuals, so I decided to poke around the software
> interface first. I didn't get very far, and had to go and read the manual
> ;-)
> I was stumped at first by all the modes, figuring out what was clickable,
> trying to read the tiny fonts, and understanding the naming terminology.
> However, after almost 2 hours of blundering around I managed to grasp the
> rudiments of the interface and modify some of the presets. Now I'm mapping
> these to run to the basics of my set. (I'm told documentation of the presets
> is coming, so this will be a quicker process).
>
> As I started to realize the depth of what the SoftStep does, all the
> interface modes begin to make sense. Every single thing is customizable,
> from what kind of footwork the buttons respond to, to how the lights behave
> (do you want a green light when you press?), to how you want to page through
> your banks. I'm not even scratching the surface of this pedal yet. So I'd
> rather have a complex, nested interface where I can control any and
> everything, to an out-of-the-box pedal that is not customizable at all.
>
> So far I've got one "scene" (or what I would call a bank) that sends
> Program Changes on Channel3 to MIDIPipe and one that sends notes to Ableton
> on Channel1. Each scene is accessed by going left or right with the
> navigation arrows. When I'm in my program change scene, the navigation up
> and down arrows increase or decrease in increments of 10, just like you'd
> expect.  Now I have to make another scene of notes for Ableton, and two
> scenes for SooperLooper and do some more experiments with how I want the
> pedals to respond to my edwardian boots and how the red and green lights
> should behave.
>
> That's it for now.
>
> Happy times!!
>
> Zoe
>
>
>
>

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<div>Thank you for the explanation Keith.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Could=
 Golden Week in China have anything to do with week long marathons of Golde=
n Girls reruns? Globalization!</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the upda=
te, Zoe. That&#39;s really exciting. Now you really can fit your rig in you=
r backpack. With the red and green lights I&#39;ll have to set up a happy h=
oliday&#39;s bank.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Todd Matthews<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed,=
 Oct 6, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Zoe Keating <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:info@zoekeating.com">info@zoekeating.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex;">
think I&#39;ll report as I go, since otherwise I&#39;ll never get around to=
 it!<br>
<br>
<br>
I downloaded the software, plugged in the pedal (comes with a nice long USB=
 cable in case you need to be far away from your computer), launched the so=
ftware and the pedal lit up with its friendly blue leds. (reminds me of the=
 dashboard of a mini cooper)It goes without saying that the pedal is small,=
 lightweight and cute. Its not TOO small though. The numbered buttons are t=
he same size as the one on the FCB1010. The navigation arrows are small and=
 I have to look at my toes, but I think I&#39;ll get the hang of it.<br>

<br>
I&#39;m a bit impatient with manuals, so I decided to poke around the softw=
are interface first. I didn&#39;t get very far, and had to go and read the =
manual ;-)<br>
I was stumped at first by all the modes, figuring out what was clickable, t=
rying to read the tiny fonts, and understanding the naming terminology. How=
ever, after almost 2 hours of blundering around I managed to grasp the rudi=
ments of the interface and modify some of the presets. Now I&#39;m mapping =
these to run to the basics of my set. (I&#39;m told documentation of the pr=
esets is coming, so this will be a quicker process).<br>

<br>
As I started to realize the depth of what the SoftStep does, all the interf=
ace modes begin to make sense. Every single thing is customizable, from wha=
t kind of footwork the buttons respond to, to how the lights behave (do you=
 want a green light when you press?), to how you want to page through your =
banks. I&#39;m not even scratching the surface of this pedal yet. So I&#39;=
d rather have a complex, nested interface where I can control any and every=
thing, to an out-of-the-box pedal that is not customizable at all.<br>

<br>
So far I&#39;ve got one &quot;scene&quot; (or what I would call a bank) tha=
t sends Program Changes on Channel3 to MIDIPipe and one that sends notes to=
 Ableton on Channel1. Each scene is accessed by going left or right with th=
e navigation arrows. When I&#39;m in my program change scene, the navigatio=
n up and down arrows increase or decrease in increments of 10, just like yo=
u&#39;d expect. =A0Now I have to make another scene of notes for Ableton, a=
nd two scenes for SooperLooper and do some more experiments with how I want=
 the pedals to respond to my edwardian boots and how the red and green ligh=
ts should behave.<br>

<br>
That&#39;s it for now.<br>
<br>
Happy times!!<br><font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
Zoe<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br></div>

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The theory is that it's one pound exactly.

The FCB is 3.5kg and so is almost eight(!) times as heavy.

WHERE'S MINE ARG ARG ARG!

:-D

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Brian Good <bsgood@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/6/10 5:58 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:
>
>> Got my SoftStep and am happily trying to program it.
>> So far, I've made the LCD say "woop" which seems like a promising start
>> ;-)
>>
>> http://yfrog.com/e46muj
>>
>> I'll let you know how it all goes...
>>
>> So excited to get that FCB1010 brick out of my gearbag
>>
>> Zoe
>>
>
> Still waiting for mine. Since you're holding it one-handed, I assume it's
> just a bit lighter than the FCB-1010?
>
> Brian
>
>


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The theory is that it&#39;s one pound exactly.<div><br></div><div>The FCB i=
s 3.5kg and so is almost eight(!) times as heavy.</div><div><br></div><div>=
WHERE&#39;S MINE ARG ARG ARG!</div><div><br></div><div>:-D<br><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Brian Good <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:bsgood@gmail.com">bsgood@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex;">

<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">On 10/6/10 5:58 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:<br=
>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Got my SoftStep and am happily trying to program it.<br>
So far, I&#39;ve made the LCD say &quot;woop&quot; which seems like a promi=
sing start ;-)<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://yfrog.com/e46muj" target=3D"_blank">http://yfrog.com/e46m=
uj</a><br>
<br>
I&#39;ll let you know how it all goes...<br>
<br>
So excited to get that FCB1010 brick out of my gearbag<br>
<br>
Zoe<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div></div>
Still waiting for mine. Since you&#39;re holding it one-handed, I assume it=
&#39;s just a bit lighter than the FCB-1010?<br><font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
Brian<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=
=A0 /t<br><br><a href=3D"http://radio.swirly.com">http://radio.swirly.com</=
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I think that estimate is correct. It seems about 1lb.

I'm in love with it right now. Only been taking breaks to nurse the  
baby. Its the first time that gear-fixation has interfered with my  
motherhood!

On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:40 PM, Tom Swirly wrote:

> The theory is that it's one pound exactly.
>
> The FCB is 3.5kg and so is almost eight(!) times as heavy.
>
> WHERE'S MINE ARG ARG ARG!
>
> :-D
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Brian Good <bsgood@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/6/10 5:58 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:
> Got my SoftStep and am happily trying to program it.
> So far, I've made the LCD say "woop" which seems like a promising  
> start ;-)
>
> http://yfrog.com/e46muj
>
> I'll let you know how it all goes...
>
> So excited to get that FCB1010 brick out of my gearbag
>
> Zoe
>
> Still waiting for mine. Since you're holding it one-handed, I assume  
> it's just a bit lighter than the FCB-1010?
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>      /t
>
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^|>^m wrote:
> This is actually a viable short term option.  If I happen to go without 
> the mac I can just switch to another EDP preset and run the EDP's on the 
> same channel with the FCB1010 plugged into the EDP's.

I've got a feeling that the Midi params aren't saved in the preset :-(
you could always test it quickly enough.

I ended up using sysex to swap the midi ch.
(not really recommended)

I was thinking though..
..as you don't actually seem to need to do it *during* a piece
of music then it's hardly a big effort to change the edp midi
param manually.

andy


> 
> I am ultimately looking into getting this piece of hardware to do the 
> mapping: 
> 
> http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm
> 
> This thing looks pretty powerful.  I think it could really expand the 
> functionality of the FCB1010.
> 
> Thank you for the feedback Sylvain :)
> 
> Adam

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Hi Darren,
I have a Boss GT 8 Effect board. But I=B4m not happy with the sound. Can =
you recommend the Vox ToneLab ?
I=B4m looking for warm jazzy, ambient sounds.=20
Best,
Christo
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=20
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This morning, I discovered how to use my favorite multi-effects unit, =
the Vox ToneLab LE, for looping AND soloing over the top. I found the =
information in a forum post on Vox's website (thanks to nmkalen in =
Germany.) I gave it a shot and it worked great. The looping function, =
though not as full featured as say a DL4, does a decent job and offers =
some interesting possibilities. I'm particularly impressed that I can =
get amp/cab simulation, stompbox, mod/delay, reverb, and looping all at =
the same time in one unit. And it sounds good too. :) =20


Here's what you do:


1) Set the Delay to HOLD.
2) If you set the expression pedal to DELAY/INPUT and put the delay as =
the last part of the chain (MOD/RV/DLY), you can use the expression =
pedal to open and close the loop. (Toe down to open the loop and put =
things in; heel down to close the loop, allowing you to solo over it.) =
You can swell things into the loop too, which is nice.
3) Switching the CONTROL button allows you to hold the loop or let it =
decay. (Feedback setting on the HOLD delay controls how quickly the loop =
decays, of course.)


If you need delay on your path in addition to looping, you can use the =
Mod Delay setting on the Mod pedal. Limited, but works.


I used a Fuzz setting in the PEDAL switch to differentiate between a =
clean looped sound and overdriven solo sound.


I was able to get some real nice sounds with this. I'll post an audio =
and/or video sample soon.


Too bad Vox has discontinued the LE. I think it's one of the best =
multi-effects units on the market.


--
Darren Nelsen
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style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20
class=3DApple-style-span>I gave it a shot and it worked great. The =
looping=20
function, though not as full featured as say a DL4, does a decent job =
and offers=20
some interesting possibilities. I'm particularly impressed that I can =
get<SPAN=20
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656)"=20
class=3DApple-style-span>&nbsp;amp/cab simulation, stompbox, mod/delay, =
reverb,=20
and looping all at the same time in one unit. And it sounds good too.=20
:)&nbsp;<SPAN=20
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20
class=3DApple-style-span>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Here's what you do:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>1) Set the Delay to HOLD.</DIV>
<DIV>2) If you set the expression pedal to DELAY/INPUT and put the delay =
as the=20
last part of the chain (MOD/RV/DLY), you can use the expression pedal to =
open=20
and close the loop. (Toe down to open the loop and put things in; heel =
down to=20
close the loop, allowing you to solo over it.) You can swell things into =
the=20
loop too, which is nice.</DIV>
<DIV>3) Switching the CONTROL button allows you to hold the loop or let =
it=20
decay. (Feedback setting on the HOLD delay controls how quickly the loop =
decays,=20
of course.)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>If you need delay on your path in addition to looping, you can use =
the Mod=20
Delay setting on the Mod pedal. Limited, but works.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I used a Fuzz setting in the PEDAL switch to differentiate between =
a clean=20
looped sound and overdriven solo sound.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I was able to get some real nice sounds with this. I'll post an =
audio=20
and/or video sample soon.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=3DApple-style-span=20
face=3D"Helvetica, Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><SPAN=20
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20
class=3DApple-style-span><SPAN=20
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.300781); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.234375); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.234375)"=20
class=3DApple-style-span><BR></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=3DApple-style-span=20
face=3D"Helvetica, Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><SPAN=20
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656)"=20
class=3DApple-style-span><SPAN=20
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.226562); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.226562)"=20
class=3DApple-style-span>Too bad Vox has discontinued the LE. I think =
it's one of=20
the best multi-effects units on the market.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=3DApple-style-span=20
face=3D"Helvetica, Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><SPAN=20
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656)"=20
class=3DApple-style-span><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>--</DIV>
<DIV>Darren Nelsen</DIV>
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I've got a feeling that the Midi params aren't saved in the preset :-(

> you could always test it quickly enough.
>
>
yesp from the manual:

GLOBAL PARAMETERS NOT CHANGED BY PRESETS
The MIDI parameters plus a few others are set globally and independent of
the Presets. They will always retain the value set no matter which Preset i=
s
loaded. The following are Global:
Reference - Parameter Presets    8-3
Parameter Presets
Continued
=E2=96=A0    MIDI Channel =E2=96=A0    ControlSource =E2=96=A0    Source# =
=E2=96=A0    VolumeCont =E2=96=A0
 FeedBkCont
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I&#39;ve got a feeling that the Midi params aren&#39;t saved in the preset =
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you could always test it quickly enough.<br><br></blockquote><div><br>yesp =
from the manual:<br><br>GLOBAL PARAMETERS NOT CHANGED BY PRESETS<br>The MID=
I parameters plus a few others are set globally and independent of the Pres=
ets. They will always retain the value set no matter which Preset is loaded=
. The following are Global:<br>

Reference - Parameter Presets=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A08-3<br>Parameter Presets<br=
>Continued<br>=E2=96=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0MIDI Channel =E2=96=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0ControlSource =E2=96=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0<span style=3D"backgrou=
nd-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">Source#</span> =E2=96=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0V=
olumeCont =E2=96=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0FeedBkCont<br>=E2=96=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
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ump =E2=96=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Last Preset <br>

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dear zoe and keith,

could you  comment on the use of continuous controllers of the softstep? i 
really wonder how the pressure, x-y axis works and how it "feels" like 
compared to other hardware expression pedals?

5 degrees of continuous control for each pad:
X- and Y- axis, Clockwise Rotation, Counter-Clockwise Rotation and Pressure. 
These control sources are mappable to any MIDI or OSC destination

thanks and best.

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> think I'll report as I go, since otherwise I'll never get around to it!
>
>
> I downloaded the software, plugged in the pedal (comes with a nice  long 
> USB cable in case you need to be far away from your computer),  launched 
> the software and the pedal lit up with its friendly blue  leds. (reminds 
> me of the dashboard of a mini cooper)It goes without  saying that the 
> pedal is small, lightweight and cute. Its not TOO  small though. The 
> numbered buttons are the same size as the one on the  FCB1010. The 
> navigation arrows are small and I have to look at my  toes, but I think 
> I'll get the hang of it.
>
> I'm a bit impatient with manuals, so I decided to poke around the 
> software interface first. I didn't get very far, and had to go and  read 
> the manual ;-)
> I was stumped at first by all the modes, figuring out what was  clickable, 
> trying to read the tiny fonts, and understanding the naming  terminology. 
> However, after almost 2 hours of blundering around I  managed to grasp the 
> rudiments of the interface and modify some of the  presets. Now I'm 
> mapping these to run to the basics of my set. (I'm  told documentation of 
> the presets is coming, so this will be a quicker  process).
>
> As I started to realize the depth of what the SoftStep does, all the 
> interface modes begin to make sense. Every single thing is  customizable, 
> from what kind of footwork the buttons respond to, to  how the lights 
> behave (do you want a green light when you press?), to  how you want to 
> page through your banks. I'm not even scratching the  surface of this 
> pedal yet. So I'd rather have a complex, nested  interface where I can 
> control any and everything, to an out-of-the-box  pedal that is not 
> customizable at all.
>
> So far I've got one "scene" (or what I would call a bank) that sends 
> Program Changes on Channel3 to MIDIPipe and one that sends notes to 
> Ableton on Channel1. Each scene is accessed by going left or right  with 
> the navigation arrows. When I'm in my program change scene, the 
> navigation up and down arrows increase or decrease in increments of  10, 
> just like you'd expect.  Now I have to make another scene of notes  for 
> Ableton, and two scenes for SooperLooper and do some more  experiments 
> with how I want the pedals to respond to my edwardian  boots and how the 
> red and green lights should behave.
>
> That's it for now.
>
> Happy times!!
>
> Zoe
>
>
> 





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How many seconds of looping?
=A0
I've been using the 38 sec. looper on the Boss ME70 for quick & dirty loops=
 and jamming fun. The ME70, btw, is really an excellent sounding, full-feat=
ured device. I just received it about 10 days ago. I'm 'stuck' on a few eff=
ects that I am really enjoying and haven't scratched the surface of its cap=
abilities.=20
=A0
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From: Darren Nelsen <dmnelsen@me.com>
Subject: Using Vox ToneLab LE for looping
To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 11:36 AM


















This morning, I discovered how to use my favorite multi-effects unit, the V=
ox ToneLab LE, for looping AND soloing over the top. I found the informatio=
n in a forum post on Vox's website (thanks to nmkalen in Germany.)=A0I gave=
 it a shot and it worked great. The looping function, though not as full fe=
atured as say a DL4, does a decent job and offers some interesting possibil=
ities. I'm particularly impressed that I can get=A0amp/cab simulation, stom=
pbox, mod/delay, reverb, and looping all at the same time in one unit. And =
it sounds good too. :)=A0=A0


Here's what you do:


1) Set the Delay to HOLD.
2) If you set the expression pedal to DELAY/INPUT and put the delay as the =
last part of the chain (MOD/RV/DLY), you can use the expression pedal to op=
en and close the loop. (Toe down to open the loop and put things in; heel d=
own to close the loop, allowing you to solo over it.) You can swell things =
into the loop too, which is nice.
3) Switching the CONTROL button allows you to hold the loop or let it decay=
. (Feedback setting on the HOLD delay controls how quickly the loop decays,=
 of course.)


If you need delay on your path in addition to looping, you can use the Mod =
Delay setting on the Mod pedal. Limited, but works.


I used a Fuzz setting in the PEDAL switch to differentiate between a clean =
looped sound and overdriven solo sound.


I was able to get some real nice sounds with this. I'll post an audio and/o=
r video sample soon.


Too bad Vox has discontinued the LE. I think it's one of the best multi-eff=
ects units on the market.



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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>How many seconds of looping?</DIV>
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<DIV>I've been using the 38 sec. looper on the Boss ME70 for quick &amp; di=
rty loops and jamming fun. The ME70, btw, is really an excellent sounding, =
full-featured device. I just received it about 10 days ago. I'm 'stuck' on =
a few effects that I am really enjoying and haven't scratched the surface o=
f its capabilities. </DIV>
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<DIV>Regards, Paul<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 10/6/10, Darren Nelsen <I>&lt;dmne=
lsen@me.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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bject: Using Vox ToneLab LE for looping<BR>To: "Looper's Delight Mailing Li=
st" &lt;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&gt;<BR>Date: Wednesday, October=
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<DIV>This morning, I discovered how to use my favorite multi-effects unit, =
the Vox ToneLab LE, for looping AND soloing over the top. I found the infor=
mation in a forum post on Vox's website (t<SPAN class=3Dyiv197975485Apple-s=
tyle-span>hanks to nmkalen in Germany.)&nbsp;<SPAN class=3Dyiv197975485Appl=
e-style-span>I gave it a shot and it worked great. The looping function, th=
ough not as full featured as say a DL4, does a decent job and offers some i=
nteresting possibilities. I'm particularly impressed that I can get<SPAN cl=
ass=3Dyiv197975485Apple-style-span>&nbsp;amp/cab simulation, stompbox, mod/=
delay, reverb, and looping all at the same time in one unit. And it sounds =
good too. :)&nbsp;<SPAN class=3Dyiv197975485Apple-style-span>&nbsp;</SPAN><=
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<DIV>Here's what you do:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>1) Set the Delay to HOLD.</DIV>
<DIV>2) If you set the expression pedal to DELAY/INPUT and put the delay as=
 the last part of the chain (MOD/RV/DLY), you can use the expression pedal =
to open and close the loop. (Toe down to open the loop and put things in; h=
eel down to close the loop, allowing you to solo over it.) You can swell th=
ings into the loop too, which is nice.</DIV>
<DIV>3) Switching the CONTROL button allows you to hold the loop or let it =
decay. (Feedback setting on the HOLD delay controls how quickly the loop de=
cays, of course.)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>If you need delay on your path in addition to looping, you can use the=
 Mod Delay setting on the Mod pedal. Limited, but works.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I used a Fuzz setting in the PEDAL switch to differentiate between a c=
lean looped sound and overdriven solo sound.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I was able to get some real nice sounds with this. I'll post an audio =
and/or video sample soon.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=3Dyiv197975485Apple-style-span face=3D"Helvetica, Trebuche=
t, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><SPAN class=3Dyiv197975485Apple-style-span=
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t, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><SPAN class=3Dyiv197975485Apple-style-span=
><SPAN class=3Dyiv197975485Apple-style-span>Too bad Vox has discontinued th=
e LE. I think it's one of the best multi-effects units on the market.</SPAN=
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i just checked the manual online for the vox tonelab LE-it says that it has
8 sec of delay time, is this correct?

the ability to use the pedal to input material & then then "turn off input"
and solo over is what David Torn did in his video "Painting W/ Sound" in the
2nd
tape that he demos his looping setup/methods (circa '93).

in the vox tonelab LE -can you manipulate the time (8 sec to short time to
pitch it up, then back down to 8 sec for low pitches etc)?

that's sort of why i like my Digitech DL8-i use the 8 sec of digital delay
w/ 100% feedback, mess w/ the time. it doesn't keep the information as
clear/clean
as the Lexicon PCM42 (which DT uses), but it's ok, it has this sort of
warping / glitch thing....which reminded me of when i had my boss dd20...

my old dod d12 w/ 12 sec of delay kept the info more intact (but would pitch
up or down if you modulated the time, it was sort of a budget pcm42)...

i still wish Lexicon (or whoever owns them) would release a pedal version of
the PCM 42 w/ the 20 sec of delay that mr. torn uses/abuses so well....
oh well...
dream on....
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i just checked the manual online for the vox tonelab LE-it says that it has=
 8 sec of delay time, is this correct?<br><br>the ability to use the pedal =
to input material &amp; then then &quot;turn off input&quot; and solo over =
is what David Torn did in his video &quot;Painting W/ Sound&quot; in the 2n=
d<br>
tape that he demos his looping setup/methods (circa &#39;93).<br><br>in the=
 vox tonelab LE -can you manipulate the time (8 sec to short time to pitch =
it up, then back down to 8 sec for low pitches etc)?<br><br>that&#39;s sort=
 of why i like my Digitech DL8-i use the 8 sec of digital delay w/ 100% fee=
dback, mess w/ the time. it doesn&#39;t keep the information as clear/clean=
<br>
as the Lexicon PCM42 (which DT uses), but it&#39;s ok, it has this sort of =
warping / glitch thing....which reminded me of when i had my boss dd20...<b=
r><br>my old dod d12 w/ 12 sec of delay kept the info more intact (but woul=
d pitch up or down if you modulated the time, it was sort of a budget pcm42=
)...<br>
<br>i still wish Lexicon (or whoever owns them) would release a pedal versi=
on of the PCM 42 w/ the 20 sec of delay that mr. torn uses/abuses so well..=
..<br>oh well...<br>dream on....<br>s---<br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.c=
om/scotthansen">www.myspace.com/scotthansen</a><br>

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Hi All,=0A=0AEach of the sensor sources are different and make for good uti=
lity depending on =0Athe target. =0A=0AThe most direct is, of course, press=
ure - just how hard are you pressing a key. =0AThis is great for wah, rampi=
ng up distortion, bringing in a specific live result =0Athat varies over ti=
me by pressure.=0A=0AThe X-Y increment are ideal for setting values. Say yo=
u have Reverb depth and =0Aroom size mapped to X-Y Increment, you can dial =
in the correct amount of both =0Asimultaneously and leave them at a particu=
lar setting. When you return they can =0Abe taken from that setting and mov=
ed to a new setting.=0A=0AX - Y live is an obvious choice for quad panning =
where you want a sound to =0Areturn to the center. X-Y Latched captures the=
 data when you remove your foot so =0Aa sound will stay where you put it.=
=0A=0ARotation takes a minute or two to get comfy with. You literally are t=
urning a =0Aknob up and down by rotation the foot. If you have some levels =
you need to set =0Afor loops this can be perfect.=0A=0ARotation - Relative =
- I wanted to do pitch bends on chords so this operates like =0Athis: When =
you hit the key it sets rotation to 63 (no bend, centered, etc) and =0Athen=
 goes pos or neg depending on your foot motion. This way you can hit it fro=
m =0Aany angle and start in tune and then take it up or down.=0A=0ASince yo=
u can have six sources mapped to six destinations per key, you can =0Acombi=
ne and do things that have always been a problem before. Take wah for =0Ain=
stance. Ever get your cable stuck under the front of your  pedal? You canno=
t =0Aturn off the effect. Now you can program a key to be live pressure to =
wah and =0Afoot on to turn effect on. Then when you take your foot off the =
key the wah =0Aeffect is bypassed automatically. When you press the key the=
 wah is turned on =0Aand pressure adjust wah position.=0A=0ABelow is a deta=
ils description of each of the sources. Don't let it scare you - =0Athink o=
f it as walking into a big store with lots of choices. You will likely =0Au=
se most of these as you advance the control of your setup.=0A=0AKeith=0A=0A=
=0ASources:=0APressure   Live=0AX Live, Y Live Averages   the total pressur=
e of the piezos per key. =0APolar (circular)=0A Plots   the relative locati=
on of pressure in the Cartesian plane. When no =0Apressure is   applied to =
the key, coordinates are (64,64).=0A=0AConvert   from Cartesian coordinates=
 to polar where x is the real input and y is =0Athe   imaginary. Add 0.7853=
98 to phase, and convert back to polar coordinates, =0Awith   additional sc=
aling.=0A  =0APressure   Latch, X Latch, Y Latch Same as   live parameters =
above, except when =0Athe user removes foot from key, the value   remains. =
All live values are, in =0Aaddition, delayed in software to make   latching=
 possible.=0A =0AX   Increment=0A If   pressure is weighted negatively or p=
ositively along the X-axis, =0Aadd/subtract   to the current value in propo=
rtion to the weight=E2=80=99s magnitude. =0A=0AY   Increment Same as   X In=
crement but measured along the Y-axis. =0ARotation Assign   a target value =
to each piezo. When the pressure on one corner =0Aexceeds the   others, sle=
w from the current value to the value assigned to that =0Aparticular corner=
. =0A=0ARotation   Rel. Same as   Rotation above except that when the user =
initially =0Aapplies significant   pressure to a key, rotation value initia=
lizes to 63, and =0Aone navigates to a   new value from this starting point=
. =0A=0AFoot On =0A=0AIf the   total pressure (derived from pressure live) =
exceeds a designated =0Athreshold,   then Foot On goes true. =0A=0AFoot   O=
ff =0A=0AIf the   total pressured falls below a designated threshold, the F=
oot Off goes =0Atrue.=0A =0AWait   Trig If a   Foot On is detected, and rem=
ains true for a specified =0Aduration, =0AWait Trig   outputs the total pre=
ssure applied to that key at the moment that =0Aduration   has elapsed. Aft=
er the pressure value is ouput, Wait Trig returns to =0Azero   after anothe=
r specified duration. =0A=0AFast   Trig Same as   Wait Trig, with minimal d=
elay. =0ADbl   Trig Same as   Wait Trig, except Dbl Trig must detect a Foot=
 On, and Foot =0AOff, and an   additional Foot On (two Foot On events) in a=
 designated amount of =0Atime. Like   a double click on a mouse. =0A=0ALong=
 Trig Same as   Wait Trig, with a longer duration. =0AOff   Trig Same as   =
Foot Off, except that after a specified duration after a =0AFoot Off event,=
 Off   Trig returns to a value of 0. =0A=0ADelta   Trig If the   change in =
pressure exceeds a user-defined value in the =0Apositive direction within  =
 a given amount of time, output the total pressure at =0Athe moment the cha=
nge in   pressure occurred. This allows multiple triggers =0Awithout requir=
ing the   pressure to fall below the Foot Off threshold. =0A=0AWait   Trig =
Latch, Fast Trig Latch, Dbl Trig Latch, Long Trig Latch Same as   =0ATrig s=
ources above, except that the output values do not return to zero. =0A=0ANa=
v Y If the   pressure exceeds a user-defined value on the North quadrant of=
 =0Athe Nav Pad,   then increase the current value of the Nav Y source by o=
ne. If =0Athe pressure   exceeds a user-defined value on the South quadrant=
 of the Nav =0APad, then   decrease the value of the Nav Y source by one. T=
he source=E2=80=99s value =0Acannot be   increased or decreased by more tha=
n one until the pressure of the =0Aactivated   quadrant has fallen below th=
e defined pressure threshold value. =0A=0ANav   Yx10 & Key Multiplies   the=
 Nav Y source by 10, and adds the value of the =0Akey number to it. If Nav =
Y   =3D 10, and key 1 is hit, Nav Yx10 & Key outputs 11. =0A=0AKey   Value =
If   total pressure of a key exceeds the user-defined pressure =0Athreshold=
 (i.e.   Foot On), then output the value of the key pressed (0-9). =0A=0APr=
ev   Key Value When a   new Key Value is received, Prev Key Value outputs t=
he =0Aprevious value. If the   user presses key 4, and then presses key 7, =
Prev Key =0AValue outputs a value of   4. =0A=0AThis   Key Value Same as   =
Key Value, except outputs the value of the key =0Apressed, only if it is eq=
ual   to the value of the key in which the source is =0Aselected. =0A=0AKey=
 #   Pressed Same   principle as Key Value. If Key 3 Pressed is selected, a=
nd =0Athe pressure   exceeds the threshold of key three, Key 3 Pressed outp=
uts a 1. If =0Aany key   other than 3 are pressed, Key 3 Pressed outputs 0.=
 =0A=0A =0AIsolation functions: Often the location of keys are near each ot=
her as this is =0Adesirable to make a smaller device.  In order to prevent =
accidental key =0Aoperations from a large foot or shoe, several isolation f=
unctions are available. =0AThese are unique to a foot operated device as co=
mpared to a device operated by =0Amultiple fingers. =0A=0AThe simplest mode=
 operates by shutting off data input from keys that are not =0Apressed. If =
the pressure threshold is exceeded on key 1, then all data from =0Aother ke=
ys=E2=80=99 sensors are deactivated until key 1 is relinquished.=0A=0AA mor=
e advanced mode operates by shutting off data from keys adjacent to initial=
 =0Adesired key after it is pressed. This allows two keys to operate =E2=80=
=93 one per foot =0A=E2=80=93 without unintended key activity. =0A Keith Mc=
Millen =0Awww.keithmcmillen.com =0Awww.beamfoundation.org =0A"Music For A N=
ew Reason"=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Erdem Helvacioglu=
 <erdemhel@tnn.net>=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Thu, =
October 7, 2010 3:20:50 AM=0ASubject: Re: softstep report #1=0A=0Adear zoe =
and keith,=0A=0Acould you  comment on the use of continuous controllers of =
the softstep? i =0Areally wonder how the pressure, x-y axis works and how i=
t "feels" like compared =0Ato other hardware expression pedals?=0A=0A5 degr=
ees of continuous control for each pad:=0AX- and Y- axis, Clockwise Rotatio=
n, Counter-Clockwise Rotation and Pressure. =0AThese control sources are ma=
ppable to any MIDI or OSC destination=0A=0Athanks and best.=0A=0Awww.erdemh=
elvacioglu.com=0A=0ANew duo album with Per Boysen out now.=0Ahttp://erdemhe=
lvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com=0A----- Original Message ----- From: "Zo=
e Keating" <info@zoekeating.com>=0ATo: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
>=0ASent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 4:31 AM=0ASubject: softstep report #1=
=0A=0A=0A> think I'll report as I go, since otherwise I'll never get around=
 to it!=0A> =0A> =0A> I downloaded the software, plugged in the pedal (come=
s with a nice  long USB =0A>cable in case you need to be far away from your=
 computer),  launched the =0A>software and the pedal lit up with its friend=
ly blue  leds. (reminds me of the =0A>dashboard of a mini cooper)It goes wi=
thout  saying that the pedal is small, =0A>lightweight and cute. Its not TO=
O  small though. The numbered buttons are the =0A>same size as the one on t=
he  FCB1010. The navigation arrows are small and I have =0A>to look at my  =
toes, but I think I'll get the hang of it.=0A> =0A> I'm a bit impatient wit=
h manuals, so I decided to poke around the software =0A>interface first. I =
didn't get very far, and had to go and  read the manual ;-)=0A> I was stump=
ed at first by all the modes, figuring out what was  clickable, =0A>trying =
to read the tiny fonts, and understanding the naming  terminology. =0A>Howe=
ver, after almost 2 hours of blundering around I  managed to grasp the =0A>=
rudiments of the interface and modify some of the  presets. Now I'm mapping=
 =0A>these to run to the basics of my set. (I'm  told documentation of the =
presets is =0A>coming, so this will be a quicker  process).=0A> =0A> As I s=
tarted to realize the depth of what the SoftStep does, all the interface =
=0A>modes begin to make sense. Every single thing is  customizable, from wh=
at kind =0A>of footwork the buttons respond to, to  how the lights behave (=
do you want a =0A>green light when you press?), to  how you want to page th=
rough your banks. I'm =0A>not even scratching the  surface of this pedal ye=
t. So I'd rather have a =0A>complex, nested  interface where I can control =
any and everything, to an =0A>out-of-the-box  pedal that is not customizabl=
e at all.=0A> =0A> So far I've got one "scene" (or what I would call a bank=
) that sends Program =0A>Changes on Channel3 to MIDIPipe and one that sends=
 notes to Ableton on Channel1. =0A>Each scene is accessed by going left or =
right  with the navigation arrows. When =0A>I'm in my program change scene,=
 the navigation up and down arrows increase or =0A>decrease in increments o=
f  10, just like you'd expect.  Now I have to make =0A>another scene of not=
es  for Ableton, and two scenes for SooperLooper and do some =0A>more  expe=
riments with how I want the pedals to respond to my edwardian  boots =0A>an=
d how the red and green lights should behave.=0A> =0A> That's it for now.=
=0A> =0A> Happy times!!=0A> =0A> Zoe=0A> =0A> =0A> 

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here is hoping that all my loopy brothers and sisters have SAFE and=20
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Hello Erdem!

I haven't explored yet anything other than pressure. This works very  
well, and you can set the sensitivity.
There is a very helpful GUI that shows you in real time how the pad/ 
button is responding to your toe press.

Nothing "gives" or clicks on the softstep. Its just a rubberized pad.  
This sounds disorienting, but what I've found so far is that if i  
press while looking at the GUI, I get a sense of the motion. Then once  
i've trained my brain, I can close the GUI start using it.  I don't  
know how to relate that to a wah-style mechanical pedal because I've  
never been successful in using those.

I have to put my experiments aside now and get to San Diego. My hope  
is to incorporate the SoftStep for a show in SF on Oct 12.

(sorry to miss the Y2KX! I leave for New York the day after)

best, Z

On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:

> dear zoe and keith,
>
> could you  comment on the use of continuous controllers of the  
> softstep? i really wonder how the pressure, x-y axis works and how  
> it "feels" like compared to other hardware expression pedals?
>
> 5 degrees of continuous control for each pad:
> X- and Y- axis, Clockwise Rotation, Counter-Clockwise Rotation and  
> Pressure. These control sources are mappable to any MIDI or OSC  
> destination
>
> thanks and best.
>
> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
>
> New duo album with Per Boysen out now.
> http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoe Keating" <info@zoekeating.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 4:31 AM
> Subject: softstep report #1
>
>
>> think I'll report as I go, since otherwise I'll never get around to  
>> it!
>>
>>
>> I downloaded the software, plugged in the pedal (comes with a nice   
>> long USB cable in case you need to be far away from your  
>> computer),  launched the software and the pedal lit up with its  
>> friendly blue  leds. (reminds me of the dashboard of a mini  
>> cooper)It goes without  saying that the pedal is small, lightweight  
>> and cute. Its not TOO  small though. The numbered buttons are the  
>> same size as the one on the  FCB1010. The navigation arrows are  
>> small and I have to look at my  toes, but I think I'll get the hang  
>> of it.
>>
>> I'm a bit impatient with manuals, so I decided to poke around the  
>> software interface first. I didn't get very far, and had to go and   
>> read the manual ;-)
>> I was stumped at first by all the modes, figuring out what was   
>> clickable, trying to read the tiny fonts, and understanding the  
>> naming  terminology. However, after almost 2 hours of blundering  
>> around I  managed to grasp the rudiments of the interface and  
>> modify some of the  presets. Now I'm mapping these to run to the  
>> basics of my set. (I'm  told documentation of the presets is  
>> coming, so this will be a quicker  process).
>>
>> As I started to realize the depth of what the SoftStep does, all  
>> the interface modes begin to make sense. Every single thing is   
>> customizable, from what kind of footwork the buttons respond to,  
>> to  how the lights behave (do you want a green light when you  
>> press?), to  how you want to page through your banks. I'm not even  
>> scratching the  surface of this pedal yet. So I'd rather have a  
>> complex, nested  interface where I can control any and everything,  
>> to an out-of-the-box  pedal that is not customizable at all.
>>
>> So far I've got one "scene" (or what I would call a bank) that  
>> sends Program Changes on Channel3 to MIDIPipe and one that sends  
>> notes to Ableton on Channel1. Each scene is accessed by going left  
>> or right  with the navigation arrows. When I'm in my program change  
>> scene, the navigation up and down arrows increase or decrease in  
>> increments of  10, just like you'd expect.  Now I have to make  
>> another scene of notes  for Ableton, and two scenes for  
>> SooperLooper and do some more  experiments with how I want the  
>> pedals to respond to my edwardian  boots and how the red and green  
>> lights should behave.
>>
>> That's it for now.
>>
>> Happy times!!
>>
>> Zoe
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

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On the current minimalist trip, I discovered that my DL4 has obviously 
ceased to function.

Question:
can anyone tell me (or point me to a document that explains) how to take 
apart the DL4 properly (dismounting PCB etc.)?

Yours,

          Rainer

ps: and failing that - is there anything you'd like to recommend as a 
replacement - thinking ahead a bit here. Requirements: should do cool 
delays mainly (like the sweeping filter of the DL4). A nice looper would 
also be fine. Varispeed for delays a plus but not required.

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Rainer I just bought a Hardwire Delay/Looper that just got yesterday and
have not eval'd but will report soon.  I liked it's spec's particularly for
travel which was partly my reason.

Jim

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Rainer Straschill
<moinsound@googlemail.com>wrote:

> On the current minimalist trip, I discovered that my DL4 has obviously
> ceased to function.
>
> Question:
> can anyone tell me (or point me to a document that explains) how to take
> apart the DL4 properly (dismounting PCB etc.)?
>
> Yours,
>
>         Rainer
>
> ps: and failing that - is there anything you'd like to recommend as a
> replacement - thinking ahead a bit here. Requirements: should do cool del=
ays
> mainly (like the sweeping filter of the DL4). A nice looper would also be
> fine. Varispeed for delays a plus but not required.
>
> --
> http://moinlabs.de
> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs
>
>


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Rainer I just bought a Hardwire Delay/Looper that just got yesterday and ha=
ve not eval&#39;d but will report soon.=A0 I liked it&#39;s spec&#39;s part=
icularly for travel which was partly my reason.<br><br>Jim<br><br><div clas=
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span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt =
0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
On the current minimalist trip, I discovered that my DL4 has obviously ceas=
ed to function.<br>
<br>
Question:<br>
can anyone tell me (or point me to a document that explains) how to take ap=
art the DL4 properly (dismounting PCB etc.)?<br>
<br>
Yours,<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer<br>
<br>
ps: and failing that - is there anything you&#39;d like to recommend as a r=
eplacement - thinking ahead a bit here. Requirements: should do cool delays=
 mainly (like the sweeping filter of the DL4). A nice looper would also be =
fine. Varispeed for delays a plus but not required.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
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Do you only run the software to set the softstep up and then the hardware
saves the settings for stand alone performance or does the software have to
be running in the background?

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:

> Hello Erdem!
>
> I haven't explored yet anything other than pressure. This works very well,
> and you can set the sensitivity.
> There is a very helpful GUI that shows you in real time how the pad/button
> is responding to your toe press.
>
> Nothing "gives" or clicks on the softstep. Its just a rubberized pad. This
> sounds disorienting, but what I've found so far is that if i press while
> looking at the GUI, I get a sense of the motion. Then once i've trained my
> brain, I can close the GUI start using it.  I don't know how to relate that
> to a wah-style mechanical pedal because I've never been successful in using
> those.
>
> I have to put my experiments aside now and get to San Diego. My hope is to
> incorporate the SoftStep for a show in SF on Oct 12.
>
> (sorry to miss the Y2KX! I leave for New York the day after)
>
> best, Z
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:
>
> dear zoe and keith,
>>
>> could you  comment on the use of continuous controllers of the softstep? i
>> really wonder how the pressure, x-y axis works and how it "feels" like
>> compared to other hardware expression pedals?
>>
>> 5 degrees of continuous control for each pad:
>> X- and Y- axis, Clockwise Rotation, Counter-Clockwise Rotation and
>> Pressure. These control sources are mappable to any MIDI or OSC destination
>>
>> thanks and best.
>>
>> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
>>
>> New duo album with Per Boysen out now.
>> http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoe Keating" <info@zoekeating.com>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 4:31 AM
>> Subject: softstep report #1
>>
>>
>> think I'll report as I go, since otherwise I'll never get around to it!
>>>
>>>
>>> I downloaded the software, plugged in the pedal (comes with a nice  long
>>> USB cable in case you need to be far away from your computer),  launched the
>>> software and the pedal lit up with its friendly blue  leds. (reminds me of
>>> the dashboard of a mini cooper)It goes without  saying that the pedal is
>>> small, lightweight and cute. Its not TOO  small though. The numbered buttons
>>> are the same size as the one on the  FCB1010. The navigation arrows are
>>> small and I have to look at my  toes, but I think I'll get the hang of it.
>>>
>>> I'm a bit impatient with manuals, so I decided to poke around the
>>> software interface first. I didn't get very far, and had to go and  read the
>>> manual ;-)
>>> I was stumped at first by all the modes, figuring out what was
>>>  clickable, trying to read the tiny fonts, and understanding the naming
>>>  terminology. However, after almost 2 hours of blundering around I  managed
>>> to grasp the rudiments of the interface and modify some of the  presets. Now
>>> I'm mapping these to run to the basics of my set. (I'm  told documentation
>>> of the presets is coming, so this will be a quicker  process).
>>>
>>> As I started to realize the depth of what the SoftStep does, all the
>>> interface modes begin to make sense. Every single thing is  customizable,
>>> from what kind of footwork the buttons respond to, to  how the lights behave
>>> (do you want a green light when you press?), to  how you want to page
>>> through your banks. I'm not even scratching the  surface of this pedal yet.
>>> So I'd rather have a complex, nested  interface where I can control any and
>>> everything, to an out-of-the-box  pedal that is not customizable at all.
>>>
>>> So far I've got one "scene" (or what I would call a bank) that sends
>>> Program Changes on Channel3 to MIDIPipe and one that sends notes to Ableton
>>> on Channel1. Each scene is accessed by going left or right  with the
>>> navigation arrows. When I'm in my program change scene, the navigation up
>>> and down arrows increase or decrease in increments of  10, just like you'd
>>> expect.  Now I have to make another scene of notes  for Ableton, and two
>>> scenes for SooperLooper and do some more  experiments with how I want the
>>> pedals to respond to my edwardian  boots and how the red and green lights
>>> should behave.
>>>
>>> That's it for now.
>>>
>>> Happy times!!
>>>
>>> Zoe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Do you only run the software to set the softstep up and then the hardware s=
aves the settings for stand alone performance or does=A0the software=A0have=
 to be running in the background?<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Zoe Keating <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:info@zoekeating.com">info@zoekeating.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Hello Erdem!<br><br>I haven&#39;=
t explored yet anything other than pressure. This works very well, and you =
can set the sensitivity.<br>
There is a very helpful GUI that shows you in real time how the pad/button =
is responding to your toe press.<br><br>Nothing &quot;gives&quot; or clicks=
 on the softstep. Its just a rubberized pad. This sounds disorienting, but =
what I&#39;ve found so far is that if i press while looking at the GUI, I g=
et a sense of the motion. Then once i&#39;ve trained my brain, I can close =
the GUI start using it. =A0I don&#39;t know how to relate that to a wah-sty=
le mechanical pedal because I&#39;ve never been successful in using those.<=
br>
<br>I have to put my experiments aside now and get to San Diego. My hope is=
 to incorporate the SoftStep for a show in SF on Oct 12.<br><br>(sorry to m=
iss the Y2KX! I leave for New York the day after)<br><br>best, Z=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br>On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu wro=
te:<br><br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">dear zoe and keith,<br><br>could=
 you =A0comment on the use of continuous controllers of the softstep? i rea=
lly wonder how the pressure, x-y axis works and how it &quot;feels&quot; li=
ke compared to other hardware expression pedals?<br>
<br>5 degrees of continuous control for each pad:<br>X- and Y- axis, Clockw=
ise Rotation, Counter-Clockwise Rotation and Pressure. These control source=
s are mappable to any MIDI or OSC destination<br><br>thanks and best.<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.erde=
mhelvacioglu.com</a><br><br>New duo album with Per Boysen out now.<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com/" target=3D"_blank">=
http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com</a><br>
----- Original Message ----- From: &quot;Zoe Keating&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:info@zoekeating.com" target=3D"_blank">info@zoekeating.com</a>&gt;<br=
>To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_=
blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 4:31 AM<br>Subject: softstep report #1<br>=
<br><br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">think I&#39;ll report as I go, s=
ince otherwise I&#39;ll never get around to it!<br><br><br>I downloaded the=
 software, plugged in the pedal (comes with a nice =A0long USB cable in cas=
e you need to be far away from your computer), =A0launched the software and=
 the pedal lit up with its friendly blue =A0leds. (reminds me of the dashbo=
ard of a mini cooper)It goes without =A0saying that the pedal is small, lig=
htweight and cute. Its not TOO =A0small though. The numbered buttons are th=
e same size as the one on the =A0FCB1010. The navigation arrows are small a=
nd I have to look at my =A0toes, but I think I&#39;ll get the hang of it.<b=
r>
<br>I&#39;m a bit impatient with manuals, so I decided to poke around the s=
oftware interface first. I didn&#39;t get very far, and had to go and =A0re=
ad the manual ;-)<br>I was stumped at first by all the modes, figuring out =
what was =A0clickable, trying to read the tiny fonts, and understanding the=
 naming =A0terminology. However, after almost 2 hours of blundering around =
I =A0managed to grasp the rudiments of the interface and modify some of the=
 =A0presets. Now I&#39;m mapping these to run to the basics of my set. (I&#=
39;m =A0told documentation of the presets is coming, so this will be a quic=
ker =A0process).<br>
<br>As I started to realize the depth of what the SoftStep does, all the in=
terface modes begin to make sense. Every single thing is =A0customizable, f=
rom what kind of footwork the buttons respond to, to =A0how the lights beha=
ve (do you want a green light when you press?), to =A0how you want to page =
through your banks. I&#39;m not even scratching the =A0surface of this peda=
l yet. So I&#39;d rather have a complex, nested =A0interface where I can co=
ntrol any and everything, to an out-of-the-box =A0pedal that is not customi=
zable at all.<br>
<br>So far I&#39;ve got one &quot;scene&quot; (or what I would call a bank)=
 that sends Program Changes on Channel3 to MIDIPipe and one that sends note=
s to Ableton on Channel1. Each scene is accessed by going left or right =A0=
with the navigation arrows. When I&#39;m in my program change scene, the na=
vigation up and down arrows increase or decrease in increments of =A010, ju=
st like you&#39;d expect. =A0Now I have to make another scene of notes =A0f=
or Ableton, and two scenes for SooperLooper and do some more =A0experiments=
 with how I want the pedals to respond to my edwardian =A0boots and how the=
 red and green lights should behave.<br>
<br>That&#39;s it for now.<br><br>Happy times!!<br><br>Zoe<br><br><br></blo=
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One more quick question..

Does the softstep use bluetooth at all for wireless operation? For some
reason I had that floating around in my head awhile ago but I didn't read it
about it on the website lately.

Thank you for the updates,

Todd Matthews

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you only run the software to set the softstep up and then the hardware
> saves the settings for stand alone performance or does the software have to
> be running in the background?
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Erdem!
>>
>> I haven't explored yet anything other than pressure. This works very well,
>> and you can set the sensitivity.
>> There is a very helpful GUI that shows you in real time how the pad/button
>> is responding to your toe press.
>>
>> Nothing "gives" or clicks on the softstep. Its just a rubberized pad. This
>> sounds disorienting, but what I've found so far is that if i press while
>> looking at the GUI, I get a sense of the motion. Then once i've trained my
>> brain, I can close the GUI start using it.  I don't know how to relate that
>> to a wah-style mechanical pedal because I've never been successful in using
>> those.
>>
>> I have to put my experiments aside now and get to San Diego. My hope is to
>> incorporate the SoftStep for a show in SF on Oct 12.
>>
>> (sorry to miss the Y2KX! I leave for New York the day after)
>>
>> best, Z
>>
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:
>>
>> dear zoe and keith,
>>>
>>> could you  comment on the use of continuous controllers of the softstep?
>>> i really wonder how the pressure, x-y axis works and how it "feels" like
>>> compared to other hardware expression pedals?
>>>
>>> 5 degrees of continuous control for each pad:
>>> X- and Y- axis, Clockwise Rotation, Counter-Clockwise Rotation and
>>> Pressure. These control sources are mappable to any MIDI or OSC destination
>>>
>>> thanks and best.
>>>
>>> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
>>>
>>> New duo album with Per Boysen out now.
>>> http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoe Keating" <info@zoekeating.com>
>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 4:31 AM
>>> Subject: softstep report #1
>>>
>>>
>>> think I'll report as I go, since otherwise I'll never get around to it!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I downloaded the software, plugged in the pedal (comes with a nice  long
>>>> USB cable in case you need to be far away from your computer),  launched the
>>>> software and the pedal lit up with its friendly blue  leds. (reminds me of
>>>> the dashboard of a mini cooper)It goes without  saying that the pedal is
>>>> small, lightweight and cute. Its not TOO  small though. The numbered buttons
>>>> are the same size as the one on the  FCB1010. The navigation arrows are
>>>> small and I have to look at my  toes, but I think I'll get the hang of it.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a bit impatient with manuals, so I decided to poke around the
>>>> software interface first. I didn't get very far, and had to go and  read the
>>>> manual ;-)
>>>> I was stumped at first by all the modes, figuring out what was
>>>>  clickable, trying to read the tiny fonts, and understanding the naming
>>>>  terminology. However, after almost 2 hours of blundering around I  managed
>>>> to grasp the rudiments of the interface and modify some of the  presets. Now
>>>> I'm mapping these to run to the basics of my set. (I'm  told documentation
>>>> of the presets is coming, so this will be a quicker  process).
>>>>
>>>> As I started to realize the depth of what the SoftStep does, all the
>>>> interface modes begin to make sense. Every single thing is  customizable,
>>>> from what kind of footwork the buttons respond to, to  how the lights behave
>>>> (do you want a green light when you press?), to  how you want to page
>>>> through your banks. I'm not even scratching the  surface of this pedal yet.
>>>> So I'd rather have a complex, nested  interface where I can control any and
>>>> everything, to an out-of-the-box  pedal that is not customizable at all.
>>>>
>>>> So far I've got one "scene" (or what I would call a bank) that sends
>>>> Program Changes on Channel3 to MIDIPipe and one that sends notes to Ableton
>>>> on Channel1. Each scene is accessed by going left or right  with the
>>>> navigation arrows. When I'm in my program change scene, the navigation up
>>>> and down arrows increase or decrease in increments of  10, just like you'd
>>>> expect.  Now I have to make another scene of notes  for Ableton, and two
>>>> scenes for SooperLooper and do some more  experiments with how I want the
>>>> pedals to respond to my edwardian  boots and how the red and green lights
>>>> should behave.
>>>>
>>>> That's it for now.
>>>>
>>>> Happy times!!
>>>>
>>>> Zoe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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<div>One more quick question..</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Does the softstep use bluetooth at all for wireless operation? For som=
e reason I had that floating around in my head awhile ago but I didn&#39;t =
read it about it on the website lately.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Thank you for the updates,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Todd Matthews<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Todd Matthews <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gtmatthews@gmail.com">gtmatthews@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Do you only run the software to =
set the softstep up and then the hardware saves the settings for stand alon=
e performance or does=A0the software=A0have to be running in the background=
?=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Zoe Keating <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:info@zoekeating.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>info@zoekeating.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Hello Erdem!<br><br>I haven&#39;=
t explored yet anything other than pressure. This works very well, and you =
can set the sensitivity.<br>
There is a very helpful GUI that shows you in real time how the pad/button =
is responding to your toe press.<br><br>Nothing &quot;gives&quot; or clicks=
 on the softstep. Its just a rubberized pad. This sounds disorienting, but =
what I&#39;ve found so far is that if i press while looking at the GUI, I g=
et a sense of the motion. Then once i&#39;ve trained my brain, I can close =
the GUI start using it. =A0I don&#39;t know how to relate that to a wah-sty=
le mechanical pedal because I&#39;ve never been successful in using those.<=
br>
<br>I have to put my experiments aside now and get to San Diego. My hope is=
 to incorporate the SoftStep for a show in SF on Oct 12.<br><br>(sorry to m=
iss the Y2KX! I leave for New York the day after)<br><br>best, Z=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div><br><br>On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">dear zoe and keith,<br><br>could=
 you =A0comment on the use of continuous controllers of the softstep? i rea=
lly wonder how the pressure, x-y axis works and how it &quot;feels&quot; li=
ke compared to other hardware expression pedals?<br>
<br>5 degrees of continuous control for each pad:<br>X- and Y- axis, Clockw=
ise Rotation, Counter-Clockwise Rotation and Pressure. These control source=
s are mappable to any MIDI or OSC destination<br><br>thanks and best.<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.erde=
mhelvacioglu.com</a><br><br>New duo album with Per Boysen out now.<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com/" target=3D"_blank">=
http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com</a><br>
----- Original Message ----- From: &quot;Zoe Keating&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:info@zoekeating.com" target=3D"_blank">info@zoekeating.com</a>&gt;<br=
>To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_=
blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 4:31 AM<br>Subject: softstep report #1<br>=
<br><br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">think I&#39;ll report as I go, s=
ince otherwise I&#39;ll never get around to it!<br><br><br>I downloaded the=
 software, plugged in the pedal (comes with a nice =A0long USB cable in cas=
e you need to be far away from your computer), =A0launched the software and=
 the pedal lit up with its friendly blue =A0leds. (reminds me of the dashbo=
ard of a mini cooper)It goes without =A0saying that the pedal is small, lig=
htweight and cute. Its not TOO =A0small though. The numbered buttons are th=
e same size as the one on the =A0FCB1010. The navigation arrows are small a=
nd I have to look at my =A0toes, but I think I&#39;ll get the hang of it.<b=
r>
<br>I&#39;m a bit impatient with manuals, so I decided to poke around the s=
oftware interface first. I didn&#39;t get very far, and had to go and =A0re=
ad the manual ;-)<br>I was stumped at first by all the modes, figuring out =
what was =A0clickable, trying to read the tiny fonts, and understanding the=
 naming =A0terminology. However, after almost 2 hours of blundering around =
I =A0managed to grasp the rudiments of the interface and modify some of the=
 =A0presets. Now I&#39;m mapping these to run to the basics of my set. (I&#=
39;m =A0told documentation of the presets is coming, so this will be a quic=
ker =A0process).<br>
<br>As I started to realize the depth of what the SoftStep does, all the in=
terface modes begin to make sense. Every single thing is =A0customizable, f=
rom what kind of footwork the buttons respond to, to =A0how the lights beha=
ve (do you want a green light when you press?), to =A0how you want to page =
through your banks. I&#39;m not even scratching the =A0surface of this peda=
l yet. So I&#39;d rather have a complex, nested =A0interface where I can co=
ntrol any and everything, to an out-of-the-box =A0pedal that is not customi=
zable at all.<br>
<br>So far I&#39;ve got one &quot;scene&quot; (or what I would call a bank)=
 that sends Program Changes on Channel3 to MIDIPipe and one that sends note=
s to Ableton on Channel1. Each scene is accessed by going left or right =A0=
with the navigation arrows. When I&#39;m in my program change scene, the na=
vigation up and down arrows increase or decrease in increments of =A010, ju=
st like you&#39;d expect. =A0Now I have to make another scene of notes =A0f=
or Ableton, and two scenes for SooperLooper and do some more =A0experiments=
 with how I want the pedals to respond to my edwardian =A0boots and how the=
 red and green lights should behave.<br>
<br>That&#39;s it for now.<br><br>Happy times!!<br><br>Zoe<br><br><br></blo=
ckquote><br><br><br><br><br></blockquote><br></div></div></blockquote></div=
><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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I don't have an answer, just a comment from the peanut gallery, but
that would be really cool if they did that!



On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:
> One more quick question..
>
> Does the softstep use bluetooth at all for wireless operation? For some
> reason I had that floating around in my head awhile ago but I didn't read=
 it
> about it on the website lately.
>
> Thank you for the updates,
>
> Todd Matthews
>
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>>
>> Do you only run the software to set the softstep up and then the hardwar=
e
>> saves the settings for stand alone performance or does=A0the software=A0=
have to
>> be running in the background?
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote=
:
>>>
>>> Hello Erdem!
>>>
>>> I haven't explored yet anything other than pressure. This works very
>>> well, and you can set the sensitivity.
>>> There is a very helpful GUI that shows you in real time how the
>>> pad/button is responding to your toe press.
>>>
>>> Nothing "gives" or clicks on the softstep. Its just a rubberized pad.
>>> This sounds disorienting, but what I've found so far is that if i press
>>> while looking at the GUI, I get a sense of the motion. Then once i've
>>> trained my brain, I can close the GUI start using it. =A0I don't know h=
ow to
>>> relate that to a wah-style mechanical pedal because I've never been
>>> successful in using those.
>>>
>>> I have to put my experiments aside now and get to San Diego. My hope is
>>> to incorporate the SoftStep for a show in SF on Oct 12.
>>>
>>> (sorry to miss the Y2KX! I leave for New York the day after)
>>>
>>> best, Z
>>>
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:
>>>
>>>> dear zoe and keith,
>>>>
>>>> could you =A0comment on the use of continuous controllers of the softs=
tep?
>>>> i really wonder how the pressure, x-y axis works and how it "feels" li=
ke
>>>> compared to other hardware expression pedals?
>>>>
>>>> 5 degrees of continuous control for each pad:
>>>> X- and Y- axis, Clockwise Rotation, Counter-Clockwise Rotation and
>>>> Pressure. These control sources are mappable to any MIDI or OSC destin=
ation
>>>>
>>>> thanks and best.
>>>>
>>>> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
>>>>
>>>> New duo album with Per Boysen out now.
>>>> http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoe Keating" <info@zoekeating.com>
>>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 4:31 AM
>>>> Subject: softstep report #1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> think I'll report as I go, since otherwise I'll never get around to i=
t!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I downloaded the software, plugged in the pedal (comes with a nice
>>>>> =A0long USB cable in case you need to be far away from your computer)=
,
>>>>> =A0launched the software and the pedal lit up with its friendly blue =
=A0leds.
>>>>> (reminds me of the dashboard of a mini cooper)It goes without =A0sayi=
ng that
>>>>> the pedal is small, lightweight and cute. Its not TOO =A0small though=
. The
>>>>> numbered buttons are the same size as the one on the =A0FCB1010. The
>>>>> navigation arrows are small and I have to look at my =A0toes, but I t=
hink I'll
>>>>> get the hang of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a bit impatient with manuals, so I decided to poke around the
>>>>> software interface first. I didn't get very far, and had to go and =
=A0read the
>>>>> manual ;-)
>>>>> I was stumped at first by all the modes, figuring out what was
>>>>> =A0clickable, trying to read the tiny fonts, and understanding the na=
ming
>>>>> =A0terminology. However, after almost 2 hours of blundering around I =
=A0managed
>>>>> to grasp the rudiments of the interface and modify some of the =A0pre=
sets. Now
>>>>> I'm mapping these to run to the basics of my set. (I'm =A0told docume=
ntation
>>>>> of the presets is coming, so this will be a quicker =A0process).
>>>>>
>>>>> As I started to realize the depth of what the SoftStep does, all the
>>>>> interface modes begin to make sense. Every single thing is =A0customi=
zable,
>>>>> from what kind of footwork the buttons respond to, to =A0how the ligh=
ts behave
>>>>> (do you want a green light when you press?), to =A0how you want to pa=
ge
>>>>> through your banks. I'm not even scratching the =A0surface of this pe=
dal yet.
>>>>> So I'd rather have a complex, nested =A0interface where I can control=
 any and
>>>>> everything, to an out-of-the-box =A0pedal that is not customizable at=
 all.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far I've got one "scene" (or what I would call a bank) that sends
>>>>> Program Changes on Channel3 to MIDIPipe and one that sends notes to A=
bleton
>>>>> on Channel1. Each scene is accessed by going left or right =A0with th=
e
>>>>> navigation arrows. When I'm in my program change scene, the navigatio=
n up
>>>>> and down arrows increase or decrease in increments of =A010, just lik=
e you'd
>>>>> expect. =A0Now I have to make another scene of notes =A0for Ableton, =
and two
>>>>> scenes for SooperLooper and do some more =A0experiments with how I wa=
nt the
>>>>> pedals to respond to my edwardian =A0boots and how the red and green =
lights
>>>>> should behave.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's it for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy times!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Zoe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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Thanks, Jim.
As for the disassembling the DL4 part, I've already done that. The 
tricky part (for me) was to pull of the five knobs on the top - for 
which you need to pull hard (e.g. with a pair of channellocks covered by 
some cloth) to get them off.

As for suggestions for a replacement - keep 'em coming!

          Rainer

Jim Goodin schrieb:
> Rainer I just bought a Hardwire Delay/Looper that just got yesterday 
> and have not eval'd but will report soon.  I liked it's spec's 
> particularly for travel which was partly my reason.
>
> Jim
>
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Rainer Straschill 
> <moinsound@googlemail.com <mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com>> wrote:
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>     On the current minimalist trip, I discovered that my DL4 has
>     obviously ceased to function.
>
>     Question:
>     can anyone tell me (or point me to a document that explains) how
>     to take apart the DL4 properly (dismounting PCB etc.)?
>
>     Yours,
>
>             Rainer
>
>     ps: and failing that - is there anything you'd like to recommend
>     as a replacement - thinking ahead a bit here. Requirements: should
>     do cool delays mainly (like the sweeping filter of the DL4). A
>     nice looper would also be fine. Varispeed for delays a plus but
>     not required.
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Rainer, the m9 might be a good replacement for you. It has everything that 
the DL 4 has plus all the other modelers and a decent looper. It is what I 
am using now although my DL 4 is still working.

I will state that IMO the M9's delay's are not as "good" as the DL 4's. To 
my worn out ears anyway. I would recommend trying it first if possible. Not 
to say that they are bad by any means. Just not as 'real" I guess? You do 
get the great reverbs however :)

my two cents

j
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> On the current minimalist trip, I discovered that my DL4 has obviously 
> ceased to function.
>
> Question:
> can anyone tell me (or point me to a document that explains) how to take 
> apart the DL4 properly (dismounting PCB etc.)?
>
> Yours,
>
>          Rainer
>
> ps: and failing that - is there anything you'd like to recommend as a 
> replacement - thinking ahead a bit here. Requirements: should do cool 
> delays mainly (like the sweeping filter of the DL4). A nice looper would 
> also be fine. Varispeed for delays a plus but not required.
>
> -- 
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On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you only run the software to set the softstep up and then the hardware
> saves the settings for stand alone performance or does the software have to
> be running in the background?
>
>
>
My understanding is that the software just sets up the pedal, and that its
possible to use with hardware only, it is possible to use via midi after
all,  if using the extar midi box thingy...

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On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Todd Matthews <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
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Do you only run the software to set the softstep up and then the hardware s=
aves the settings for stand alone performance or does=A0the software=A0have=
 to be running in the background?<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br>=
</div>

</div></blockquote><div><br>My understanding is that the software just sets=
 up the pedal, and that its possible to use with hardware only, it is possi=
ble to use via midi after all,=A0 if using the extar midi box thingy...<br>

<br>I am however not completely sure about anything, now I come to write it=
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Hi!

Lately I've spent more time with my solder iron than I have creating  
music.  I built some logic circuits to support clocked events within  
very long loops.

(I consider a "Very Long Loop" to be a loop that takes so long to  
repeat that it isn't particularly recognizable as a loop).

One of the issues with long loops is that it is humanly impossible to  
play highly spaced notes on any kind of beat.  Yet, I wanted to be  
able to start with unconnected sounds and have them slowly morph into  
something rhythmic over time.

I posted the mp3 download at electro-music along with a little more  
technical data about the recording.

If you like music that is kind of relaxing and ambient, you may like  
this track.

http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44449

Look forward to seeing everyone at Y2KX -- since I'm traveling by air,  
I will not be able to bring the synthesizer that I used to make this  
track... such is life!

-- Kevin

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On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:
> I have to put my experiments aside now and get to San Diego. My hope is to
> incorporate the SoftStep for a show in SF on Oct 12.
>
> (sorry to miss the Y2KX! I leave for New York the day after)


We're in SF on the 12th but unfortunately missing your gig at Yoshi's
with a couple of hours. Have to jump the Greyhound for Santa Cruz at 9
PM. Would have been nice to hear you're recent set and watch the
Softstep twinkle as an extra bonus :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Hi Kevin,

Nice bell sounds and wide open feel to this music!

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:09 PM,  <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Lately I've spent more time with my solder iron than I have creating musi=
c.
> =C2=A0I built some logic circuits to support clocked events within very l=
ong
> loops.
>
> (I consider a "Very Long Loop" to be a loop that takes so long to repeat
> that it isn't particularly recognizable as a loop).
>
> One of the issues with long loops is that it is humanly impossible to pla=
y
> highly spaced notes on any kind of beat. =C2=A0Yet, I wanted to be able t=
o start
> with unconnected sounds and have them slowly morph into something rhythmi=
c
> over time.
>
> I posted the mp3 download at electro-music along with a little more
> technical data about the recording.
>
> If you like music that is kind of relaxing and ambient, you may like this
> track.
>
> http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D44449
>
> Look forward to seeing everyone at Y2KX -- since I'm traveling by air, I
> will not be able to bring the synthesizer that I used to make this track.=
..
> such is life!
>
> -- Kevin
>
>

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fantastic kevin... I never realised you were a modular man... your synth
looks great! I love balanced(ring) modulators... I have I believe nine! But
the only one I will be bringing to Y2KX is not really a ring mod, but can
sound like one..


Ahh now the track is really beginnning to sound like a clock shop at 12!

Mark






On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:09 PM, <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Lately I've spent more time with my solder iron than I have creating music.
>  I built some logic circuits to support clocked events within very long
> loops.
>
> (I consider a "Very Long Loop" to be a loop that takes so long to repeat
> that it isn't particularly recognizable as a loop).
>
> One of the issues with long loops is that it is humanly impossible to play
> highly spaced notes on any kind of beat.  Yet, I wanted to be able to start
> with unconnected sounds and have them slowly morph into something rhythmic
> over time.
>
> I posted the mp3 download at electro-music along with a little more
> technical data about the recording.
>
> If you like music that is kind of relaxing and ambient, you may like this
> track.
>
> http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44449
>
> Look forward to seeing everyone at Y2KX -- since I'm traveling by air, I
> will not be able to bring the synthesizer that I used to make this track...
> such is life!
>
> -- Kevin
>
>


-- 
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
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fantastic kevin... I never realised you were a modular man... your synth lo=
oks great! I love balanced(ring) modulators... I have I believe nine! But t=
he only one I will be bringing to Y2KX is not really a ring mod, but can so=
und like one.. <br>

<br><br>Ahh now the track is really beginnning to sound like a clock shop a=
t 12!<br><br>Mark<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On =
Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:09 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kkiss=
inger@kevinkissinger.com">kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi!<br>
<br>
Lately I&#39;ve spent more time with my solder iron than I have creating mu=
sic. =A0I built some logic circuits to support clocked events within very l=
ong loops.<br>
<br>
(I consider a &quot;Very Long Loop&quot; to be a loop that takes so long to=
 repeat that it isn&#39;t particularly recognizable as a loop).<br>
<br>
One of the issues with long loops is that it is humanly impossible to play =
highly spaced notes on any kind of beat. =A0Yet, I wanted to be able to sta=
rt with unconnected sounds and have them slowly morph into something rhythm=
ic over time.<br>


<br>
I posted the mp3 download at electro-music along with a little more technic=
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<br>
If you like music that is kind of relaxing and ambient, you may like this t=
rack.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D44449" target=
=3D"_blank">http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D44449</a><br>
<br>
Look forward to seeing everyone at Y2KX -- since I&#39;m traveling by air, =
I will not be able to bring the synthesizer that I used to make this track.=
.. such is life!<br>
<br>
-- Kevin<br>
<br>
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Hi All,

SoftStep is designed to operate with or without a host computer.

SoftStep operates with the SoftStep application to talk to other applications. 
The SoftStep plugs into USB and the application (available on our site for Mac 
and PC)  is used to edit and store Scenes as well as for additional user 
interface.

SoftStep uses a variation of the SoftStep application as an editor to program 
the hardware unit. Once programmed the hardware unit will operate in 
"Standalone" mode. You will need the MIDI Expander to get data out of the 
SoftStep. We plan a Gate/CV out expander in the near future. 

Our K-Bow violin sensor bow uses 
Bluetooth. http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/k-bow/

The footswitch draws power for illumination and displays that the batteries 
would have added unacceptable weight for a wireless version. 

Keith
 Keith McMillen 
www.keithmcmillen.com 
www.beamfoundation.org 
"Music For A New Reason"




________________________________
From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 11:44:33 AM
Subject: Re: softstep report #1

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:

Do you only run the software to set the softstep up and then the hardware saves 
the settings for stand alone performance or does the software have to be running 
in the background?
>
>
>

My understanding is that the software just sets up the pedal, and that its 
possible to use with hardware only, it is possible to use via midi after all,  
if using the extar midi box thingy...

I am however not completely sure about anything, now I come to write it...



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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div></div><div>Hi All,</div><div><br></div><div>SoftStep is designed to operate with or without a host computer.</div><div><br></div><div>SoftStep operates with the SoftStep application to talk to other applications. The SoftStep plugs into USB and the application (available on our site for Mac and PC) &nbsp;is used to edit and store Scenes as well as for additional user interface.</div><div><br></div><div>SoftStep uses a variation of the SoftStep application as an editor to program the hardware unit. Once programmed the hardware unit will operate in "Standalone" mode. You will need the MIDI Expander to get data out of the SoftStep. We plan a Gate/CV out expander in the near future.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><span>Our K-Bow violin sensor bow uses Bluetooth.&nbsp;<a target="_blank"
 href="http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/k-bow/">http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/k-bow/</a></span></div><div><br></div><div>The footswitch draws power for illumination and displays that the batteries would have added unacceptable weight for a wireless version.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Keith<br>&nbsp;</div>Keith McMillen <br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.keithmcmillen.com">www.keithmcmillen.com</a> </span><br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.beamfoundation.org">www.beamfoundation.org</a> </span><br>"Music For A New Reason"<div><br></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> mark francombe &lt;mark@markfrancombe.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, October 7, 2010 11:44:33 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: softstep report #1<br></font><br>On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Todd Matthews <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gtmatthews@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gtmatthews@gmail.com">gtmatthews@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;">

Do you only run the software to set the softstep up and then the hardware saves the settings for stand alone performance or does&nbsp;the software&nbsp;have to be running in the background?<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br></div>

</div></blockquote><div><br>My understanding is that the software just sets up the pedal, and that its possible to use with hardware only, it is possible to use via midi after all,&nbsp; if using the extar midi box thingy...<br>

<br>I am however not completely sure about anything, now I come to write it...<br></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>

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Kevin,

Really enjoyed that.

Looking forward to seeing you in SantaCruz, if it winds up that I am able to come.

There's some doubt about that at the moment, but we'll see.

Cheers,

Ted

---- kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: 

=============
Hi!

Lately I've spent more time with my solder iron than I have creating  
music.  I built some logic circuits to support clocked events within  
very long loops.

(I consider a "Very Long Loop" to be a loop that takes so long to  
repeat that it isn't particularly recognizable as a loop).

One of the issues with long loops is that it is humanly impossible to  
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something rhythmic over time.

I posted the mp3 download at electro-music along with a little more  
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If you like music that is kind of relaxing and ambient, you may like  
this track.

http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44449

Look forward to seeing everyone at Y2KX -- since I'm traveling by air,  
I will not be able to bring the synthesizer that I used to make this  
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-- Kevin


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Fly safe Michael!

With any luck I may be there too.

Bet,

Ted

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well thats just perfect... snot fair that you jammy bastards in US are
getting yours already... boo hoo..

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:00 PM, keith mcmillen <keefer07@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> SoftStep is designed to operate with or without a host computer.
>
> SoftStep operates with the SoftStep application to talk to other
> applications. The SoftStep plugs into USB and the application (available on
> our site for Mac and PC)  is used to edit and store Scenes as well as for
> additional user interface.
>
> SoftStep uses a variation of the SoftStep application as an editor to
> program the hardware unit. Once programmed the hardware unit will operate in
> "Standalone" mode. You will need the MIDI Expander to get data out of the
> SoftStep. We plan a Gate/CV out expander in the near future.
>
> Our K-Bow violin sensor bow uses Bluetooth.
> http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/k-bow/
>
> The footswitch draws power for illumination and displays that the batteries
> would have added unacceptable weight for a wireless version.
>
> Keith
>
> Keith McMillen
> www.keithmcmillen.com
> www.beamfoundation.org
> "Music For A New Reason"
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Sent:* Thu, October 7, 2010 11:44:33 AM
> *Subject:* Re: softstep report #1
>
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Do you only run the software to set the softstep up and then the hardware
>> saves the settings for stand alone performance or does the software have to
>> be running in the background?
>>
>>
>>
> My understanding is that the software just sets up the pedal, and that its
> possible to use with hardware only, it is possible to use via midi after
> all,  if using the extar midi box thingy...
>
> I am however not completely sure about anything, now I come to write it...
>
>
>
> --
> mark francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
>



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well thats just perfect... snot fair that you jammy bastards in US are gett=
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t 7, 2010 at 11:00 PM, keith mcmillen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:keefer07@yahoo.com">keefer07@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
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div>

Hi All,</div><div><br></div><div>SoftStep is designed to operate with or wi=
thout a host computer.</div><div><br></div><div>SoftStep operates with the =
SoftStep application to talk to other applications. The SoftStep plugs into=
 USB and the application (available on our site for Mac and PC) =A0is used =
to edit and store Scenes as well as for additional user interface.</div>

<div><br></div><div>SoftStep uses a variation of the SoftStep application a=
s an editor to program the hardware unit. Once programmed the hardware unit=
 will operate in &quot;Standalone&quot; mode. You will need the MIDI Expand=
er to get data out of the SoftStep. We plan a Gate/CV out expander in the n=
ear future.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div><span>Our K-Bow violin sensor bow uses Bluetooth.=A0<a =
href=3D"http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/k-bow/" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/k-bow/</a></span></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>

The footswitch draws power for illumination and displays that the batteries=
 would have added unacceptable weight for a wireless version.=A0</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Keith<br>=A0</div>Keith McMillen <br><span><a href=3D"http:/=
/www.keithmcmillen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.keithmcmillen.com</a> </span>=
<br>

<span><a href=3D"http://www.beamfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">www.beamf=
oundation.org</a> </span><br>&quot;Music For A New Reason&quot;<div><br></d=
iv><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"=
>
<br>
<div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size:=
 12pt;"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><hr size=3D"1"><b><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> mark francombe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ma=
rk@markfrancombe.com" target=3D"_blank">mark@markfrancombe.com</a>&gt;<br>

<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
 <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">L=
oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bo=
ld;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, October 7, 2010 11:44:33 AM<br><b><span style=3D=
"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: softstep report #1<br>

</font><br>On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Todd Matthews <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:gtmatthews@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">gtmatthews@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; bor=
der-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">



Do you only run the software to set the softstep up and then the hardware s=
aves the settings for stand alone performance or does=A0the software=A0have=
 to be running in the background?<div><div></div><div><br><br></div>

</div></blockquote><div><br>My understanding is that the software just sets=
 up the pedal, and that its possible to use with hardware only, it is possi=
ble to use via midi after all,=A0 if using the extar midi box thingy...<br>



<br>I am however not completely sure about anything, now I come to write it=
...<br></div></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a re=
l=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com" target=3D"_blank">www.=
markfrancombe.com</a><br>

<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com" target=3D"_blank">ww=
w.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>

twitter @markfrancombe<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user=
825094" target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br><a rel=3D"nofo=
llow" href=3D"http://www.looop.no" target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no</a=
><br>
</div></div><div></div>


</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark franco=
mbe<br><a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><b=
r><a href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @=
markfrancombe<br>

<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br>=
<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

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Saw this on another list, thought it might of interest here:
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Hi Kevin,
Enjoyed it a lot! I'm a synth man, it's interesting to read how you
experiment with your instruments and explore the unknown. I haven't
worked with modulars a lot ...and will wait for a while because I
think it could become the most addictive hobby ever ;-) Anyway, what
exactly do you mean with " clocked events within very long loops"?
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http://livelooping.be/

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Hi Christo,

Yes, I recommend the ToneLab. I love the tones I get with it. I have a =
PODxt Live, but was never happy with it. Once I switched to the ToneLab, =
I was delighted. The tones are great and the articulation and =
responsiveness are so much better. Maybe it's because the ToneLabs have =
tubes in them, I don't know, but they sound and feel great.

My only problem with the ToneLab LE is that the expression pedal went =
out after 6 months. The tension on it completely failed. I took it apart =
and tried to fix it, but no luck. I had to buy a new unit ('cause I had =
gigs lined up and couldn't wait for repair.)

You can get these on eBay. I expect the prices to come down, especially =
if Vox introduces a new model. But the LE serves my needs. I'll probably =
pick up a couple more for backup.=20

--
Darren Nelsen
http://curiomusic.com
http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic

On Oct 7, 2010, at 4:02 AM, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de> wrote:

> Hi Darren,
> I have a Boss GT 8 Effect board. But I=C2=B4m not happy with the =
sound. Can you recommend the Vox ToneLab ?
> I=C2=B4m looking for warm jazzy, ambient sounds.
> Best,
> Christo
> www.christojota.de
>=20
> =20
> From: Darren Nelsen
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:36 PM
> To: Looper's Delight Mailing List
> Subject: Using Vox ToneLab LE for looping
>=20
> This morning, I discovered how to use my favorite multi-effects unit, =
the Vox ToneLab LE, for looping AND soloing over the top. I found the =
information in a forum post on Vox's website (thanks to nmkalen in =
Germany.) I gave it a shot and it worked great. The looping function, =
though not as full featured as say a DL4, does a decent job and offers =
some interesting possibilities. I'm particularly impressed that I can =
get amp/cab simulation, stompbox, mod/delay, reverb, and looping all at =
the same time in one unit. And it sounds good too. :) =20
>=20
> Here's what you do:
>=20
> 1) Set the Delay to HOLD.
> 2) If you set the expression pedal to DELAY/INPUT and put the delay as =
the last part of the chain (MOD/RV/DLY), you can use the expression =
pedal to open and close the loop. (Toe down to open the loop and put =
things in; heel down to close the loop, allowing you to solo over it.) =
You can swell things into the loop too, which is nice.
> 3) Switching the CONTROL button allows you to hold the loop or let it =
decay. (Feedback setting on the HOLD delay controls how quickly the loop =
decays, of course.)
>=20
> If you need delay on your path in addition to looping, you can use the =
Mod Delay setting on the Mod pedal. Limited, but works.
>=20
> I used a Fuzz setting in the PEDAL switch to differentiate between a =
clean looped sound and overdriven solo sound.
>=20
> I was able to get some real nice sounds with this. I'll post an audio =
and/or video sample soon.
>=20
> Too bad Vox has discontinued the LE. I think it's one of the best =
multi-effects units on the market.
>=20
> --
> Darren Nelsen
> http://curiomusic.com
> http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic


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<html><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div><div>Hi =
Christo,</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I recommend the ToneLab. I love =
the tones I get with it. I have a PODxt Live, but was never happy with =
it. Once I switched to the ToneLab, I was delighted. The tones are great =
and the articulation and responsiveness are so much better. Maybe it's =
because the ToneLabs have tubes in them, I don't know, but they sound =
and feel great.</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.285156); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.21875); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
0.21875);"><br></span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656); ">My only =
problem with the ToneLab LE is that the expression pedal went out after =
6 months. The tension on it completely failed. I took it apart and tried =
to fix it, but no luck. I had to buy a new unit ('cause I had gigs lined =
up and couldn't wait for repair.)</span></div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: =
rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.285156); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, =
192, 227, 0.21875); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
0.21875);"><br></span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656); ">You can =
get these on eBay. I expect the prices to come down, especially if Vox =
introduces a new model. But the LE serves my needs. I'll probably pick =
up a couple more for =
backup.&nbsp;</span></div><div><br><div>--</div><div>Darren =
Nelsen</div><div><a href=3D"http://curiomusic.com"><a =
href=3D"http://curiomusic.com">http://curiomusic.com</a></a></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic"><a =
href=3D"http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic">http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic=
</a></a></div></div><div><br>On Oct 7, 2010, at 4:02 AM, Christo Jota =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de"><a =
href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de">chris@christojota.de</a></a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>

<div><font face=3D"Calibri">Hi Darren,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">I have a Boss GT 8 Effect board. But I=C2=B4m =
not happy with=20
the sound. Can you recommend the Vox ToneLab ?<br>I=C2=B4m looking for =
warm jazzy,=20
ambient sounds. </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">Best,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">Christo</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri"><a title=3D"http://www.christojota.de
STRG + Klicken, um Verkn=C3=BCpfung zu folgen" =
href=3D"http://www.christojota.de"></a><a =
href=3D"http://www.christojota.de"><a =
href=3D"http://www.christojota.de">www.christojota.de</a></a></font></div>=

<div><br>&nbsp;</div>
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<div style=3D"font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a =
title=3D"mailto:dmnelsen@me.com
STRG + Klicken, um Verkn=C3=BCpfung zu folgen" =
href=3D"mailto:dmnelsen@me.com">Darren Nelsen</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:36 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
STRG + Klicken, um Verkn=C3=BCpfung zu folgen" =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Looper's Delight =
Mailing=20
List</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Using Vox ToneLab LE for looping</div></div></div>
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<div>This morning, I discovered how to use my favorite multi-effects =
unit, the=20
Vox ToneLab LE, for looping AND soloing over the top. I found the =
information in=20
a forum post on Vox's website (t<span =
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656)" =
class=3D"Apple-style-span">hanks to nmkalen in Germany.)&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)" =
class=3D"Apple-style-span">I gave it a shot and it worked great. The =
looping=20
function, though not as full featured as say a DL4, does a decent job =
and offers=20
some interesting possibilities. I'm particularly impressed that I can =
get<span style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, =
0.289062); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, =
0.222656); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
0.222656)" class=3D"Apple-style-span">&nbsp;amp/cab simulation, =
stompbox, mod/delay, reverb,=20
and looping all at the same time in one unit. And it sounds good too.=20
:)&nbsp;<span style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, =
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<div>Here's what you do:</div>
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as the=20
last part of the chain (MOD/RV/DLY), you can use the expression pedal to =
open=20
and close the loop. (Toe down to open the loop and put things in; heel =
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close the loop, allowing you to solo over it.) You can swell things into =
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loop too, which is nice.</div>
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it=20
decay. (Feedback setting on the HOLD delay controls how quickly the loop =
decays,=20
of course.)</div>
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<div>If you need delay on your path in addition to looping, you can use =
the Mod=20
Delay setting on the Mod pedal. Limited, but works.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I used a Fuzz setting in the PEDAL switch to differentiate between =
a clean=20
looped sound and overdriven solo sound.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I was able to get some real nice sounds with this. I'll post an =
audio=20
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192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
0.230469)" class=3D"Apple-style-span"><span =
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-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.226562); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.226562)" =
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I've not tried the Boss multi-effects pedals but have a friend that produced good tones with them.  

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On Oct 7, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:

> How many seconds of looping?
>  
> I've been using the 38 sec. looper on the Boss ME70 for quick & dirty loops and jamming fun. The ME70, btw, is really an excellent sounding, full-featured device. I just received it about 10 days ago. I'm 'stuck' on a few effects that I am really enjoying and haven't scratched the surface of its capabilities.
>  
> Regards, Paul
> 
> --- On Wed, 10/6/10, Darren Nelsen <dmnelsen@me.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Darren Nelsen <dmnelsen@me.com>
> Subject: Using Vox ToneLab LE for looping
> To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 11:36 AM
> 
> This morning, I discovered how to use my favorite multi-effects unit, the Vox ToneLab LE, for looping AND soloing over the top. I found the information in a forum post on Vox's website (thanks to nmkalen in Germany.) I gave it a shot and it worked great. The looping function, though not as full featured as say a DL4, does a decent job and offers some interesting possibilities. I'm particularly impressed that I can get amp/cab simulation, stompbox, mod/delay, reverb, and looping all at the same time in one unit. And it sounds good too. :)  
> 
> Here's what you do:
> 
> 1) Set the Delay to HOLD.
> 2) If you set the expression pedal to DELAY/INPUT and put the delay as the last part of the chain (MOD/RV/DLY), you can use the expression pedal to open and close the loop. (Toe down to open the loop and put things in; heel down to close the loop, allowing you to solo over it.) You can swell things into the loop too, which is nice.
> 3) Switching the CONTROL button allows you to hold the loop or let it decay. (Feedback setting on the HOLD delay controls how quickly the loop decays, of course.)
> 
> If you need delay on your path in addition to looping, you can use the Mod Delay setting on the Mod pedal. Limited, but works.
> 
> I used a Fuzz setting in the PEDAL switch to differentiate between a clean looped sound and overdriven solo sound.
> 
> I was able to get some real nice sounds with this. I'll post an audio and/or video sample soon.
> 
> Too bad Vox has discontinued the LE. I think it's one of the best multi-effects units on the market.
> 
> --
> Darren Nelsen
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<html><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>8 =
seconds</div><div><br></div><div>I've not tried the Boss multi-effects =
pedals but have a friend that produced good tones with them. =
&nbsp;<br><br><div>--</div><div>Darren Nelsen</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://curiomusic.com">http://curiomusic.com</a></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic">http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic=
</a></div></div><div><br>On Oct 7, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Paul Richards =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com">paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><table=
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valign=3D"top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><div>How many seconds of =
looping?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I've been using the 38 sec. looper on the Boss ME70 for quick &amp; =
dirty loops and jamming fun. The ME70, btw, is really an excellent =
sounding, full-featured device. I just received it about 10 days ago. =
I'm 'stuck' on a few effects that I am really enjoying and haven't =
scratched the surface of its capabilities. </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Regards, Paul<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 10/6/10, Darren Nelsen =
<i>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmnelsen@me.com">dmnelsen@me.com</a>&gt;</i></b> =
wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; =
PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: Darren Nelsen &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dmnelsen@me.com">dmnelsen@me.com</a>&gt;<br>Subject: =
Using Vox ToneLab LE for looping<br>To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com</a>&gt;<br>Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 11:36 =
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<div>This morning, I discovered how to use my favorite multi-effects =
unit, the Vox ToneLab LE, for looping AND soloing over the top. I found =
the information in a forum post on Vox's website (t<span =
class=3D"yiv197975485Apple-style-span">hanks to nmkalen in =
Germany.)&nbsp;<span class=3D"yiv197975485Apple-style-span">I gave it a =
shot and it worked great. The looping function, though not as full =
featured as say a DL4, does a decent job and offers some interesting =
possibilities. I'm particularly impressed that I can get<span =
class=3D"yiv197975485Apple-style-span">&nbsp;amp/cab simulation, =
stompbox, mod/delay, reverb, and looping all at the same time in one =
unit. And it sounds good too. :)&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"yiv197975485Apple-style-span">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><=
/div>
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<div>Here's what you do:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>1) Set the Delay to HOLD.</div>
<div>2) If you set the expression pedal to DELAY/INPUT and put the delay =
as the last part of the chain (MOD/RV/DLY), you can use the expression =
pedal to open and close the loop. (Toe down to open the loop and put =
things in; heel down to close the loop, allowing you to solo over it.) =
You can swell things into the loop too, which is nice.</div>
<div>3) Switching the CONTROL button allows you to hold the loop or let =
it decay. (Feedback setting on the HOLD delay controls how quickly the =
loop decays, of course.)</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If you need delay on your path in addition to looping, you can use =
the Mod Delay setting on the Mod pedal. Limited, but works.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I used a Fuzz setting in the PEDAL switch to differentiate between =
a clean looped sound and overdriven solo sound.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I was able to get some real nice sounds with this. I'll post an =
audio and/or video sample soon.</div>
<div><font class=3D"yiv197975485Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica, =
Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span =
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Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span =
class=3D"yiv197975485Apple-style-span"><span =
class=3D"yiv197975485Apple-style-span">Too bad Vox has discontinued the =
LE. I think it's one of the best multi-effects units on the =
market.</span></span></font></div>
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Christo,

I think the ToneLab would be good for your jazzy, ambient sounds. You =
might have to tweak a bit to dial it in, but I think you'll find the =
right settings. Try a YouTube search for ToneLab demonstrations. There's =
some good ones. Also, on my YouTube channel (follow the link in my sig), =
all the live clips use the ToneLab. Some of the rehearsal footage is =
using the PODxt.

When I post a video demonstration of the looping capabilities of the LE, =
I'll send the link to the list. Might take me a couple weeks, as I'm =
heading out of town. But I'll post when I can.

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On Oct 7, 2010, at 4:02 AM, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de> wrote:

> Hi Darren,
> I have a Boss GT 8 Effect board. But I=C2=B4m not happy with the =
sound. Can you recommend the Vox ToneLab ?
> I=C2=B4m looking for warm jazzy, ambient sounds.
> Best,
> Christo
> www.christojota.de
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> Subject: Using Vox ToneLab LE for looping
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> This morning, I discovered how to use my favorite multi-effects unit, =
the Vox ToneLab LE, for looping AND soloing over the top. I found the =
information in a forum post on Vox's website (thanks to nmkalen in =
Germany.) I gave it a shot and it worked great. The looping function, =
though not as full featured as say a DL4, does a decent job and offers =
some interesting possibilities. I'm particularly impressed that I can =
get amp/cab simulation, stompbox, mod/delay, reverb, and looping all at =
the same time in one unit. And it sounds good too. :) =20
>=20
> Here's what you do:
>=20
> 1) Set the Delay to HOLD.
> 2) If you set the expression pedal to DELAY/INPUT and put the delay as =
the last part of the chain (MOD/RV/DLY), you can use the expression =
pedal to open and close the loop. (Toe down to open the loop and put =
things in; heel down to close the loop, allowing you to solo over it.) =
You can swell things into the loop too, which is nice.
> 3) Switching the CONTROL button allows you to hold the loop or let it =
decay. (Feedback setting on the HOLD delay controls how quickly the loop =
decays, of course.)
>=20
> If you need delay on your path in addition to looping, you can use the =
Mod Delay setting on the Mod pedal. Limited, but works.
>=20
> I used a Fuzz setting in the PEDAL switch to differentiate between a =
clean looped sound and overdriven solo sound.
>=20
> I was able to get some real nice sounds with this. I'll post an audio =
and/or video sample soon.
>=20
> Too bad Vox has discontinued the LE. I think it's one of the best =
multi-effects units on the market.
>=20
> --
> Darren Nelsen
> http://curiomusic.com
> http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic

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<html><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Christo,</div><div><br></div><div>I =
think the ToneLab would be good for your jazzy, ambient sounds. You =
might have to tweak a bit to dial it in, but I think you'll find the =
right settings. Try<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.28125); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.214844); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.214844); ">&nbsp;a =
YouTube search for ToneLab demonstrations. There's some good ones. Also, =
on my YouTube channel (follow the link in my sig), all the live clips =
use the ToneLab. Some of the rehearsal footage is using the =
PODxt.</span></div><div><br></div><div>When I post a video demonstration =
of the looping capabilities of the LE, I'll send the link to the list. =
Might take me a couple weeks, as I'm heading out of town. But I'll post =
when I can.</div><div><br><div>--</div><div>Darren Nelsen</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://curiomusic.com">http://curiomusic.com</a></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic">http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic=
</a></div></div><div><br>On Oct 7, 2010, at 4:02 AM, Christo Jota &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de">chris@christojota.de</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>

<div><font face=3D"Calibri">Hi Darren,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">I have a Boss GT 8 Effect board. But I=C2=B4m =
not happy with=20
the sound. Can you recommend the Vox ToneLab ?<br>I=C2=B4m looking for =
warm jazzy,=20
ambient sounds. </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">Best,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">Christo</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri"><a title=3D"http://www.christojota.de
STRG + Klicken, um Verkn=C3=BCpfung zu folgen" =
href=3D"http://www.christojota.de"><a =
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<div style=3D"font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a =
title=3D"mailto:dmnelsen@me.com
STRG + Klicken, um Verkn=C3=BCpfung zu folgen" =
href=3D"mailto:dmnelsen@me.com">Darren Nelsen</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:36 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Looper's Delight =
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Using Vox ToneLab LE for looping</div></div></div>
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<div>This morning, I discovered how to use my favorite multi-effects =
unit, the=20
Vox ToneLab LE, for looping AND soloing over the top. I found the =
information in=20
a forum post on Vox's website (t<span =
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656)" =
class=3D"Apple-style-span">hanks to nmkalen in Germany.)&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)" =
class=3D"Apple-style-span">I gave it a shot and it worked great. The =
looping=20
function, though not as full featured as say a DL4, does a decent job =
and offers=20
some interesting possibilities. I'm particularly impressed that I can =
get<span style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, =
0.289062); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, =
0.222656); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
0.222656)" class=3D"Apple-style-span">&nbsp;amp/cab simulation, =
stompbox, mod/delay, reverb,=20
and looping all at the same time in one unit. And it sounds good too.=20
:)&nbsp;<span style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, =
0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, =
0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
0.230469)" =
class=3D"Apple-style-span">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Here's what you do:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>1) Set the Delay to HOLD.</div>
<div>2) If you set the expression pedal to DELAY/INPUT and put the delay =
as the=20
last part of the chain (MOD/RV/DLY), you can use the expression pedal to =
open=20
and close the loop. (Toe down to open the loop and put things in; heel =
down to=20
close the loop, allowing you to solo over it.) You can swell things into =
the=20
loop too, which is nice.</div>
<div>3) Switching the CONTROL button allows you to hold the loop or let =
it=20
decay. (Feedback setting on the HOLD delay controls how quickly the loop =
decays,=20
of course.)</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If you need delay on your path in addition to looping, you can use =
the Mod=20
Delay setting on the Mod pedal. Limited, but works.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I used a Fuzz setting in the PEDAL switch to differentiate between =
a clean=20
looped sound and overdriven solo sound.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I was able to get some real nice sounds with this. I'll post an =
audio=20
and/or video sample soon.</div>
<div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica, Trebuchet, =
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: =
rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, =
192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
0.230469)" class=3D"Apple-style-span"><span =
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.300781); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.234375); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.234375)" =
class=3D"Apple-style-span"><br></span></span></font></div>
<div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica, Trebuchet, =
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: =
rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, =
192, 227, 0.222656); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
0.222656)" class=3D"Apple-style-span"><span =
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.226562); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.226562)" =
class=3D"Apple-style-span">Too bad Vox has discontinued the LE. I think =
it's one of=20
the best multi-effects units on the market.</span></span></font></div>
<div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica, Trebuchet, =
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: =
rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, =
192, 227, 0.222656); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
0.222656)" class=3D"Apple-style-span"><br></span></font></div>
<div>
<div>--</div>
<div>Darren Nelsen</div>
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Yes, 8 seconds.

Damn, I had that David Torn VHS set, but I've searched high and low and can't find it. Probably went off in a box of donations to the library. Too bad it's not available on DVD. Anyway, cool to know that's how he did it.

Manipulating time... Hmm, I'll have to try that! Will report back on results.

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On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

> i just checked the manual online for the vox tonelab LE-it says that it has 8 sec of delay time, is this correct?
> 
> the ability to use the pedal to input material & then then "turn off input" and solo over is what David Torn did in his video "Painting W/ Sound" in the 2nd
> tape that he demos his looping setup/methods (circa '93).
> 
> in the vox tonelab LE -can you manipulate the time (8 sec to short time to pitch it up, then back down to 8 sec for low pitches etc)?
> 
> that's sort of why i like my Digitech DL8-i use the 8 sec of digital delay w/ 100% feedback, mess w/ the time. it doesn't keep the information as clear/clean
> as the Lexicon PCM42 (which DT uses), but it's ok, it has this sort of warping / glitch thing....which reminded me of when i had my boss dd20...
> 
> my old dod d12 w/ 12 sec of delay kept the info more intact (but would pitch up or down if you modulated the time, it was sort of a budget pcm42)...
> 
> i still wish Lexicon (or whoever owns them) would release a pedal version of the PCM 42 w/ the 20 sec of delay that mr. torn uses/abuses so well....
> oh well...
> dream on....
> s---
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<html><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Yes, 8 =
seconds.</div><div><br></div><div>Damn, I had that David Torn VHS set, =
but I've searched high and low and can't find it. Probably went off in a =
box of donations to the library. Too bad it's not available on DVD. =
Anyway, cool to know that's how he did =
it.</div><div><br></div><div>Manipulating time... Hmm, I'll have to try =
that! Will report back on results.<br><br><div>--</div><div>Darren =
Nelsen</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://curiomusic.com">http://curiomusic.com</a></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic">http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic=
</a></div></div><div><br>On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Scott Hansen =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com">evanpeewee@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>i just =
checked the manual online for the vox tonelab LE-it says that it has 8 =
sec of delay time, is this correct?<br><br>the ability to use the pedal =
to input material &amp; then then "turn off input" and solo over is what =
David Torn did in his video "Painting W/ Sound" in the 2nd<br>
tape that he demos his looping setup/methods (circa '93).<br><br>in the =
vox tonelab LE -can you manipulate the time (8 sec to short time to =
pitch it up, then back down to 8 sec for low pitches etc)?<br><br>that's =
sort of why i like my Digitech DL8-i use the 8 sec of digital delay w/ =
100% feedback, mess w/ the time. it doesn't keep the information as =
clear/clean<br>
as the Lexicon PCM42 (which DT uses), but it's ok, it has this sort of =
warping / glitch thing....which reminded me of when i had my boss =
dd20...<br><br>my old dod d12 w/ 12 sec of delay kept the info more =
intact (but would pitch up or down if you modulated the time, it was =
sort of a budget pcm42)...<br>
<br>i still wish Lexicon (or whoever owns them) would release a pedal =
version of the PCM 42 w/ the 20 sec of delay that mr. torn uses/abuses =
so well....<br>oh well...<br>dream on....<br>s---<br><a =
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Best way I've figured of making money off my music is to use my CDs as =
mouse coasters while I work (my day job) on my computer.  :)

But speaking of not selling, here is a not-selling pitch: my entire =
discography and videos are now on one compilation DVD here:=20

http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00Z4VF7D

It is a collection of works performed or produced by me between 2004 and =
2010. The DVD contains works from 20 CDs, over 200 MP3s, and 16 videos, =
including CD artwork and live recordings never produced on CD.=20

I am bringing some to Y2KX.

Cheers!

Kris

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best way I've figured of making money =
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computer.&nbsp; :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But speaking of not selling, here is a =
not-selling=20
pitch:&nbsp;my entire discography and videos are now on one compilation =
DVD=20
here: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00Z4VF7D">http://kunaki.com/S=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is a collection of works performed =
or produced=20
by me&nbsp;between 2004 and 2010. The DVD contains works from 20 CDs, =
over 200=20
MP3s, and 16 videos, including CD artwork and live recordings never =
produced on=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am bringing some to =
Y2KX.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers!</FONT></DIV>
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Thanks ted,

Suffice it to say that most of us can't give up our day jobs... There 
was a time in the early 90's when I could make a reasonable living 
selling my cds at concerts, busking, and at art shows. Now all my 
recordings are available online at the usual suspects and even though 
I have this wider world wide audience..... lets see..... I sold 
$133.84 in the last 14 months.

Actually the most money I've made as a musician over the last year 
has been selling off gear that I no longer use.

Looking forward to the Jekyl and Hyde show! Hey, anybody else on the 
list in Southern Ontario? Ted and his merry band of improvisors are 
doing the music for an old silent film of Doctory Jekyl and Mr. 
Hyde  on Oct. 28 in Kitchener. Contact Ted for details

Paul Haslem
www.dulcify.ca
Ontario, Canada





At 06:47 PM 10/7/2010, you wrote:

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>Ted H.
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yeah, thats what I want do to, for years, with all my recordings!
so it does not sell, because people are not used to that format?
or because 10$ is not enough?
I thought I would put it in some golden special envelop and charge 50$ =
or so...

On 7 Oct 2010, at 16:35, Kris Hartung wrote:

> Best way I've figured of making money off my music is to use my CDs as =
mouse coasters while I work (my day job) on my computer.  :)
> =20
> But speaking of not selling, here is a not-selling pitch: my entire =
discography and videos are now on one compilation DVD here:
> =20
> http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00Z4VF7D
> =20
> It is a collection of works performed or produced by me between 2004 =
and 2010. The DVD contains works from 20 CDs, over 200 MP3s, and 16 =
videos, including CD artwork and live recordings never produced on CD.
> =20
> I am bringing some to Y2KX.
> =20
> Cheers!
> =20
> Kris
> =20
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> =
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including CD artwork and live recordings never produced on =
CD.</font></div><div><font face=3D"Arial" =
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If you can find the gimmick that works, Matthias, let me know and I'll =
use it!  :)

Another idea is selling thumb drives.  You could get a 6 gig thumb drive =
and put all sorts on things on it.=20
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  yeah, thats what I want do to, for years, with all my recordings!
  so it does not sell, because people are not used to that format?
  or because 10$ is not enough?
  I thought I would put it in some golden special envelop and charge 50$ =
or so...


  On 7 Oct 2010, at 16:35, Kris Hartung wrote:


    Best way I've figured of making money off my music is to use my CDs =
as mouse coasters while I work (my day job) on my computer.  :)

    But speaking of not selling, here is a not-selling pitch: my entire =
discography and videos are now on one compilation DVD here:

    http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00Z4VF7D

    It is a collection of works performed or produced by me between 2004 =
and 2010. The DVD contains works from 20 CDs, over 200 MP3s, and 16 =
videos, including CD artwork and live recordings never produced on CD.

    I am bringing some to Y2KX.

    Cheers!

    Kris

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            Saw this on another list, thought it might of interest here:
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  Okay,  that does it.

That's the single most depressing website I've ever visited.

This then leads to the argument,   yeah, but what about
playing live gigs with their inherent revenue stream?

This then, is my own personal story.   It may sound like a lament
or a plea for pity but it truly isn't.  I'm happier than I've ever 
been........
.....just much poorer as a professional musician.

I put it out there as an adjunct to this particular article:



In 1969  the Cataylst in Santa Cruz was paying a 4 piece band $300
to play there.   $75/person

In the 1980's the money was flowing.   You could frequently
find gigs that paid anywhere from $100 - $300 in this area
or in Monterey/Carmel  or San Jose (where the pricier hotels
and resort centers are).      There was a lot of studio work too
which augmented income quite a bit.     There was a phase in the
late 80's and early 90's where I wouldn't walk out of house to
play a gig that paid less than $200 but I was also quite a bit in demand.

At the end of the 90's and before the dot com bubble burst,  there
were many gigs that paid extremely well (but the studio work
had completely vanished)

Then the bubble burst and that was that.  I went from having between 12 and
20 very high paying corporate gigs to finally having only 1 a year and then
none.

I had raised my rates from $30 a lesson (40 minutes) to $40 a lesson (40 
minutes
or $50 a lesson (60 minutes) sometime in the early 90's.

I haven't raised my rates since then (though my skill level and 
knowledge base is
vastly higher than 20 years ago.

Then the recession hit and it's really been rough ever since.     I 
stubbornly
refused to lower my rates but my teaching schedule dropped rapidly.

Commensurately around 2003 or 2004  people stopped buying CDs (at least 
in my
world).   I went from selling 20-upwards of 50 a gig to the point where 
I no longer bring CDs to gigs because it's a waste of time and energy.

Additionally,  the number of gigs that pay in this area has just dried up.
I'd dearly love to do $50 gigs in this region.    There are still some 
$100 - $200 gigs out there
but way too many professional musicians vying for them to be viable as 
income.

And I've been blessed to be one of the most lucky and fortunate 
professional musicians
in this area.   One by one, most of the professional musicians I came up 
with have left
the field because there just was no way to make a decent living.

So,  it looks like the paradigm has changed irrevocably and the life 
that I have known as a professional
is coming to an end.

It makes me infinitely sad that things have gotten so bad but it is just 
life.

I also realize that my own story may be anomalous.............after 
all,  I've successfully been able to have
an unencumbered artists life that sat along side of my 
professional/commercial work.
Also, Santa Cruz is just a weird,anomalous place demographically.   The 
average family makes
$83,000 a year in Santa Cruz according to census figures just 
released.    The price of housing is very high compared to the price of 
low waged jobs (a professional musician being lumped in with
most minimum wage jobs in terms of monthly income).

It would be interesting to hear from professional musicians on this list 
who live in other regions
and countries.

yours, in the spirit of music and community,

Rick Walker

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Quoting Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>:
>
> Hi Kevin,
> Enjoyed it a lot! I'm a synth man, it's interesting to read how you
> experiment with your instruments and explore the unknown. I haven't
> worked with modulars a lot ...and will wait for a while because I
> think it could become the most addictive hobby ever ;-)
>
Yes, it really is addictive.  Particularly DIY synth building because, =20
once has built up a stock of parts and tools, the cost to build an =20
additional module isn't too bad.  Thus, the temptation to build =20
another module is ever-present.
>
> Anyway, what
> exactly do you mean with " clocked events within very long loops"?
>

The short explanation is that I use the LP1's Midi Clock to assure =20
that every note starts precisely on a "beat".  It is a real-time =20
quantization.

Here is a more technical explanation:

I'm using the Looperlative LP1 and, as you may know, it sends MIDI =20
CLOCK that is synced with the master track.  In this track, I set the =20
LP1's  "beats per measure" =3D 8.  The loop was around 24 seconds long =20
which corresponds to a beat (a quarter note) every 3 seconds.  =20
However, MIDI Clock divides each beat into 24 "ticks".

The point here is that the ticks will be in sync with each iteration =20
of the loop.   On my synthesizer, I send the ticks into a clock =20
divider and set it to the smallest note value that I wish to use.  =20
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this divider, I can then run the ticks through more dividers and, =20
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get a tick that corresponds to a 32nd note.  (One of my modules is a =20
Voltage-Controlled Clock divider that will divide by as much as 60.)

My synthesizer utilizes Gate/Trigger logic which requires both a gate =20
and a trigger signal to play a note (i.e., to "fire" the envelope =20
generators).  If I use the gate from a keyboard and the trigger from =20
the divided LP1 ticks, then the note won't start anywhere except on a =20
32nd note boundary.  Thus, I can play notes that appear to randomly =20
placed that are, in reality, placed precisely on a beat.

So, that is what I meant by "clocked events within Very Long Loops".

-- Kevin

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yaeh now that seems like the right size!

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:

> I think that estimate is correct. It seems about 1lb.
>
> I'm in love with it right now. Only been taking breaks to nurse the baby.
> Its the first time that gear-fixation has interfered with my motherhood!
>
>  On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:40 PM, Tom Swirly wrote:
>
> The theory is that it's one pound exactly.
>
> The FCB is 3.5kg and so is almost eight(!) times as heavy.
>
> WHERE'S MINE ARG ARG ARG!
>
> :-D
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Brian Good <bsgood@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  On 10/6/10 5:58 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:
>>
>>> Got my SoftStep and am happily trying to program it.
>>> So far, I've made the LCD say "woop" which seems like a promising start
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> http://yfrog.com/e46muj
>>>
>>> I'll let you know how it all goes...
>>>
>>> So excited to get that FCB1010 brick out of my gearbag
>>>
>>> Zoe
>>>
>>
>> Still waiting for mine. Since you're holding it one-handed, I assume it's
>> just a bit lighter than the FCB-1010?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>      /t
>
> http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000
>
>
>

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yaeh now that seems like the right size!<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Zoe Keating <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:info@zoekeating.com">info@zoekeating.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">I think that estimate is correct. It s=
eems about 1lb.=20
<div><br></div>
<div>I&#39;m in love with it right now. Only been taking breaks to nurse th=
e baby. Its the first time that gear-fixation has interfered with my mother=
hood!=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5">
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:40 PM, Tom Swirly wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">The theory is that it&#39;s one pound exactly.=20
<div><br></div>
<div>The FCB is 3.5kg and so is almost eight(!) times as heavy.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>WHERE&#39;S MINE ARG ARG ARG!</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>:-D<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Brian Good <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bsgood@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bsgo=
od@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>
<div></div>
<div>On 10/6/10 5:58 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Got my SoftStep and am happily t=
rying to program it.<br>So far, I&#39;ve made the LCD say &quot;woop&quot; =
which seems like a promising start ;-)<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://yfrog.com/e46muj" target=3D"_blank">http://yfrog.com/=
e46muj</a><br><br>I&#39;ll let you know how it all goes...<br><br>So excite=
d to get that FCB1010 brick out of my gearbag<br><br>Zoe<br></blockquote><b=
r>
</div></div>Still waiting for mine. Since you&#39;re holding it one-handed,=
 I assume it&#39;s just a bit lighter than the FCB-1010?<br><font color=3D"=
#888888"><br>Brian<br><br></font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><=
br>
-- <br>=A0 =A0=A0 /t<br><br><a href=3D"http://radio.swirly.com/" target=3D"=
_blank">http://radio.swirly.com</a> - art music radio 24/7 366/1000<br></di=
v></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><=
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My story is similar toy yours, Rick - good periods then a trailing off =
to the lean times of today - but since I live in France, I still don't =
need a day job.  I also still sell CDs and books at gigs. I teach a bit =
(I definitely need to do more) and I get a couple of workshops a year. =
It all helps, but without the French welfare system, I'd be teaching =
English somewhere to make ends meet.

If you don't know how the system works - about half of the money I make =
goes into a government program. =46rom that, they estimate my average =
daily income per month. Each month I get some money back based on  the =
number of days I worked and how much I made.  I have to do about a gig a =
week to qualify. At income tax time I pay taxes on the combined income =
of my gigs/teaching plus the benefit, so it is far from a free giveaway, =
but it works and I couldn't survive without it.

I have a good project going based on 18th century French dance music, =
with funding and everything, but now that we're ready to record, the =
producer informs me that the money has dried up. Great, eh?  Still, if =
the agent does his job, we should have a couple of years of concert and =
festival gigs based around this project, supplemented by CD/DVD sales.  =
That's the hope...  By the way,  I can't be at the looping festival this =
year because I'm about to leave for a week-long residence in Corsica =
with this band.=20

I'm doing what I want to do. I didn't start playing because I had stars =
in my eyes or because I wanted to get rich and famous.  I play because I =
love it. I took about 10 years off to do a PhD and be a university =
professor and I was miserable even though I'd kept doing gigs.  Now I'm =
broke but healthy and happy and more creative than I've been for years. =
Self doubt rears its ugly head often mostly because of the economics of =
the whole thing - Why am I broke? Why don't I have more gigs? All those =
questions. I wonder whether the cycle will start going back up again.

I guess the moral of my story is that socialism - even the very soft =
kind that we have here is France - is allowing me live the life I've =
chosen even in times of very little work.

Have a great time at the Looping festival -=20

Doc Rossi

On Oct 8, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Rick Walker wrote:

> Okay,  that does it.
>=20
> That's the single most depressing website I've ever visited.
>=20
> This then leads to the argument,   yeah, but what about
> playing live gigs with their inherent revenue stream?
>=20
> This then, is my own personal story.   It may sound like a lament
> or a plea for pity but it truly isn't.  I'm happier than I've ever =
been........
> .....just much poorer as a professional musician.
>=20
> I put it out there as an adjunct to this particular article:
>=20
>=20
>=20
> In 1969  the Cataylst in Santa Cruz was paying a 4 piece band $300
> to play there.   $75/person
>=20
> In the 1980's the money was flowing.   You could frequently
> find gigs that paid anywhere from $100 - $300 in this area
> or in Monterey/Carmel  or San Jose (where the pricier hotels
> and resort centers are).      There was a lot of studio work too
> which augmented income quite a bit.     There was a phase in the
> late 80's and early 90's where I wouldn't walk out of house to
> play a gig that paid less than $200 but I was also quite a bit in =
demand.
>=20
> At the end of the 90's and before the dot com bubble burst,  there
> were many gigs that paid extremely well (but the studio work
> had completely vanished)
>=20
> Then the bubble burst and that was that.  I went from having between =
12 and
> 20 very high paying corporate gigs to finally having only 1 a year and =
then
> none.
>=20
> I had raised my rates from $30 a lesson (40 minutes) to $40 a lesson =
(40 minutes
> or $50 a lesson (60 minutes) sometime in the early 90's.
>=20
> I haven't raised my rates since then (though my skill level and =
knowledge base is
> vastly higher than 20 years ago.
>=20
> Then the recession hit and it's really been rough ever since.     I =
stubbornly
> refused to lower my rates but my teaching schedule dropped rapidly.
>=20
> Commensurately around 2003 or 2004  people stopped buying CDs (at =
least in my
> world).   I went from selling 20-upwards of 50 a gig to the point =
where I no longer bring CDs to gigs because it's a waste of time and =
energy.
>=20
> Additionally,  the number of gigs that pay in this area has just dried =
up.
> I'd dearly love to do $50 gigs in this region.    There are still some =
$100 - $200 gigs out there
> but way too many professional musicians vying for them to be viable as =
income.
>=20
> And I've been blessed to be one of the most lucky and fortunate =
professional musicians
> in this area.   One by one, most of the professional musicians I came =
up with have left
> the field because there just was no way to make a decent living.
>=20
> So,  it looks like the paradigm has changed irrevocably and the life =
that I have known as a professional
> is coming to an end.
>=20
> It makes me infinitely sad that things have gotten so bad but it is =
just life.
>=20
> I also realize that my own story may be anomalous.............after =
all,  I've successfully been able to have
> an unencumbered artists life that sat along side of my =
professional/commercial work.
> Also, Santa Cruz is just a weird,anomalous place demographically.   =
The average family makes
> $83,000 a year in Santa Cruz according to census figures just =
released.    The price of housing is very high compared to the price of =
low waged jobs (a professional musician being lumped in with
> most minimum wage jobs in terms of monthly income).
>=20
> It would be interesting to hear from professional musicians on this =
list who live in other regions
> and countries.
>=20
> yours, in the spirit of music and community,
>=20
> Rick Walker
>=20

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Interesting developement, Rick. A bit frustrating too.

Similar situation here in Germany.

I´m not a professional musician but I´m trying to get gigs from time to 
time.
This year my Duo played in churches and galleries cause it fits well with
our music. We didn´t get a guarantee at any venue. It was either percentage 
from the door or
just a donation deal (people are free to give a few Euros or not), which is 
the policy for
churches sometimes. They don´t do "Deals at the house of God" you know?
At the end of the day, we could be happy to just pay our expenses (mainly 
car costs).
It´s ok for us, but even getting jobs when you are willing to do it for 
nearly no fee is difficult.
Not sure, but for me it looks like the live business is about to collapse. 
Too many
musicians want to play live. Probably because for them it´s the only 
possibility to sell
some CD´s (even this is quite poor when there are only 10 - 20 people 
listening).
Another reason: The instrument industry generates more and more 
possibilities to
make music even when you haven´t learned to play an instrument. Example: 
Making
music on the laptop and other electronic devices.
It´s ok, but does everyone need to play live?
I think that´s different from the 70ies/80ies. It´s a huge society of so 
called -musicians all over the world.
Too many musci/concerts everywhere.

In an ideal world I would be happy to do my dayjob (not more than 20 hours a 
week) and
playing around 3-5 concerts a months with a fee of 50 Euro (after expenses) 
per musician per gig.
AAAHH! That could be paradise.....

Christo
www.christojota.de


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Subject: making money off your music

>  Okay,  that does it.
>
> That's the single most depressing website I've ever visited.
>
> This then leads to the argument,   yeah, but what about
> playing live gigs with their inherent revenue stream?
>
> This then, is my own personal story.   It may sound like a lament
> or a plea for pity but it truly isn't.  I'm happier than I've ever 
> been........
> .....just much poorer as a professional musician.
>
> I put it out there as an adjunct to this particular article:
>
>
>
> In 1969  the Cataylst in Santa Cruz was paying a 4 piece band $300
> to play there.   $75/person
>
> In the 1980's the money was flowing.   You could frequently
> find gigs that paid anywhere from $100 - $300 in this area
> or in Monterey/Carmel  or San Jose (where the pricier hotels
> and resort centers are).      There was a lot of studio work too
> which augmented income quite a bit.     There was a phase in the
> late 80's and early 90's where I wouldn't walk out of house to
> play a gig that paid less than $200 but I was also quite a bit in demand.
>
> At the end of the 90's and before the dot com bubble burst,  there
> were many gigs that paid extremely well (but the studio work
> had completely vanished)
>
> Then the bubble burst and that was that.  I went from having between 12 
> and
> 20 very high paying corporate gigs to finally having only 1 a year and 
> then
> none.
>
> I had raised my rates from $30 a lesson (40 minutes) to $40 a lesson (40 
> minutes
> or $50 a lesson (60 minutes) sometime in the early 90's.
>
> I haven't raised my rates since then (though my skill level and knowledge 
> base is
> vastly higher than 20 years ago.
>
> Then the recession hit and it's really been rough ever since.     I 
> stubbornly
> refused to lower my rates but my teaching schedule dropped rapidly.
>
> Commensurately around 2003 or 2004  people stopped buying CDs (at least in 
> my
> world).   I went from selling 20-upwards of 50 a gig to the point where I 
> no longer bring CDs to gigs because it's a waste of time and energy.
>
> Additionally,  the number of gigs that pay in this area has just dried up.
> I'd dearly love to do $50 gigs in this region.    There are still some 
> $100 - $200 gigs out there
> but way too many professional musicians vying for them to be viable as 
> income.
>
> And I've been blessed to be one of the most lucky and fortunate 
> professional musicians
> in this area.   One by one, most of the professional musicians I came up 
> with have left
> the field because there just was no way to make a decent living.
>
> So,  it looks like the paradigm has changed irrevocably and the life that 
> I have known as a professional
> is coming to an end.
>
> It makes me infinitely sad that things have gotten so bad but it is just 
> life.
>
> I also realize that my own story may be anomalous.............after all, 
> I've successfully been able to have
> an unencumbered artists life that sat along side of my 
> professional/commercial work.
> Also, Santa Cruz is just a weird,anomalous place demographically.   The 
> average family makes
> $83,000 a year in Santa Cruz according to census figures just released. 
> The price of housing is very high compared to the price of low waged jobs 
> (a professional musician being lumped in with
> most minimum wage jobs in terms of monthly income).
>
> It would be interesting to hear from professional musicians on this list 
> who live in other regions
> and countries.
>
> yours, in the spirit of music and community,
>
> Rick Walker
> 

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Thanks for the information, Darren.
What do you think/know about the first edition of VOX Tone Lab, not the =
LE-series.
It=C2=B4s the blue, vintage looking device.
Do you or everyone else know if it=C2=B4s good sounding etc?

Christo




From: Darren Nelsen=20
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 4:40 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
Subject: Re: Using Vox ToneLab LE for looping


Hi Christo,


Yes, I recommend the ToneLab. I love the tones I get with it. I have a =
PODxt Live, but was never happy with it. Once I switched to the ToneLab, =
I was delighted. The tones are great and the articulation and =
responsiveness are so much better. Maybe it's because the ToneLabs have =
tubes in them, I don't know, but they sound and feel great.


My only problem with the ToneLab LE is that the expression pedal went =
out after 6 months. The tension on it completely failed. I took it apart =
and tried to fix it, but no luck. I had to buy a new unit ('cause I had =
gigs lined up and couldn't wait for repair.)


You can get these on eBay. I expect the prices to come down, especially =
if Vox introduces a new model. But the LE serves my needs. I'll probably =
pick up a couple more for backup.=20


--
Darren Nelsen
http://curiomusic.com
http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic

On Oct 7, 2010, at 4:02 AM, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de> wrote:


  Hi Darren,
  I have a Boss GT 8 Effect board. But I=C2=B4m not happy with the =
sound. Can you recommend the Vox ToneLab ?
  I=C2=B4m looking for warm jazzy, ambient sounds.=20
  Best,
  Christo
  www.christojota.de

  =20
  From: Darren Nelsen=20
  Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:36 PM
  To: Looper's Delight Mailing List=20
  Subject: Using Vox ToneLab LE for looping


  This morning, I discovered how to use my favorite multi-effects unit, =
the Vox ToneLab LE, for looping AND soloing over the top. I found the =
information in a forum post on Vox's website (thanks to nmkalen in =
Germany.) I gave it a shot and it worked great. The looping function, =
though not as full featured as say a DL4, does a decent job and offers =
some interesting possibilities. I'm particularly impressed that I can =
get amp/cab simulation, stompbox, mod/delay, reverb, and looping all at =
the same time in one unit. And it sounds good too. :) =20


  Here's what you do:


  1) Set the Delay to HOLD.
  2) If you set the expression pedal to DELAY/INPUT and put the delay as =
the last part of the chain (MOD/RV/DLY), you can use the expression =
pedal to open and close the loop. (Toe down to open the loop and put =
things in; heel down to close the loop, allowing you to solo over it.) =
You can swell things into the loop too, which is nice.
  3) Switching the CONTROL button allows you to hold the loop or let it =
decay. (Feedback setting on the HOLD delay controls how quickly the loop =
decays, of course.)


  If you need delay on your path in addition to looping, you can use the =
Mod Delay setting on the Mod pedal. Limited, but works.


  I used a Fuzz setting in the PEDAL switch to differentiate between a =
clean looped sound and overdriven solo sound.


  I was able to get some real nice sounds with this. I'll post an audio =
and/or video sample soon.


  Too bad Vox has discontinued the LE. I think it's one of the best =
multi-effects units on the market.


  --
  Darren Nelsen
  http://curiomusic.com
  http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic
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<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Thanks for the information, =
Darren.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>What do you think/know about the first edition =
of VOX=20
Tone Lab, not the LE-series.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>It=C2=B4s the blue, vintage looking =
device.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Do you or everyone else know if it=C2=B4s good =
sounding=20
etc?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=3Ddmnelsen@me.com =

href=3D"mailto:dmnelsen@me.com">Darren Nelsen</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 07, 2010 4:40 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Using Vox ToneLab LE for =
looping</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Hi Christo,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Yes, I recommend the ToneLab. I love the tones I get with it. I =
have a=20
PODxt Live, but was never happy with it. Once I switched to the ToneLab, =
I was=20
delighted. The tones are great and the articulation and responsiveness =
are so=20
much better. Maybe it's because the ToneLabs have tubes in them, I don't =
know,=20
but they sound and feel great.</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN=20
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.285156); =
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<DIV><SPAN=20
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-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656)"=20
class=3DApple-style-span>My only problem with the ToneLab LE is that the =

expression pedal went out after 6 months. The tension on it completely =
failed. I=20
took it apart and tried to fix it, but no luck. I had to buy a new unit =
('cause=20
I had gigs lined up and couldn't wait for repair.)</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN=20
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.285156); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.21875); =
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<DIV><SPAN=20
style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656)"=20
class=3DApple-style-span>You can get these on eBay. I expect the prices =
to come=20
down, especially if Vox introduces a new model. But the LE serves my =
needs. I'll=20
probably pick up a couple more for backup.&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>--</DIV>
<DIV>Darren Nelsen</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://curiomusic.com"><A=20
href=3D"http://curiomusic.com">http://curiomusic.com</A></A></DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic"><A=20
href=3D"http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic">http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusi=
c</A></A></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Oct 7, 2010, at 4:02 AM, Christo Jota &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de"><A=20
href=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de">chris@christojota.de</A></A>&gt;=20
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
  <DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Hi Darren,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>I have a Boss GT 8 Effect board. But =
I=C2=B4m not happy=20
  with the sound. Can you recommend the Vox ToneLab ?<BR>I=C2=B4m =
looking for warm=20
  jazzy, ambient sounds. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Best,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri>Christo</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DCalibri><A=20
  title=3D"http://www.christojota.de&#13;&#10;STRG + Klicken, um =
Verkn=C3=BCpfung zu folgen"=20
  href=3D"http://www.christojota.de"></A><A =
href=3D"http://www.christojota.de"><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.christojota.de">www.christojota.de</A></A></FONT></DIV=
>
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  <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
  <DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
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Verkn=C3=BCpfung zu folgen"=20
  href=3D"mailto:dmnelsen@me.com">Darren Nelsen</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:36 PM</DIV>
  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&#13;&#10;STRG + =
Klicken, um Verkn=C3=BCpfung zu folgen"=20
  href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Looper's Delight =
Mailing=20
  List</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Using Vox ToneLab LE for =
looping</DIV></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV>This morning, I discovered how to use my favorite multi-effects =
unit, the=20
  Vox ToneLab LE, for looping AND soloing over the top. I found the =
information=20
  in a forum post on Vox's website (t<SPAN=20
  style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656)"=20
  class=3DApple-style-span>hanks to nmkalen in Germany.)&nbsp;<SPAN=20
  style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20
  class=3DApple-style-span>I gave it a shot and it worked great. The =
looping=20
  function, though not as full featured as say a DL4, does a decent job =
and=20
  offers some interesting possibilities. I'm particularly impressed that =
I can=20
  get<SPAN=20
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-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656)"=20
  class=3DApple-style-span>&nbsp;amp/cab simulation, stompbox, =
mod/delay, reverb,=20
  and looping all at the same time in one unit. And it sounds good too.=20
  :)&nbsp;<SPAN=20
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-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20
  class=3DApple-style-span>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Here's what you do:</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>1) Set the Delay to HOLD.</DIV>
  <DIV>2) If you set the expression pedal to DELAY/INPUT and put the =
delay as=20
  the last part of the chain (MOD/RV/DLY), you can use the expression =
pedal to=20
  open and close the loop. (Toe down to open the loop and put things in; =
heel=20
  down to close the loop, allowing you to solo over it.) You can swell =
things=20
  into the loop too, which is nice.</DIV>
  <DIV>3) Switching the CONTROL button allows you to hold the loop or =
let it=20
  decay. (Feedback setting on the HOLD delay controls how quickly the =
loop=20
  decays, of course.)</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>If you need delay on your path in addition to looping, you can =
use the=20
  Mod Delay setting on the Mod pedal. Limited, but works.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>I used a Fuzz setting in the PEDAL switch to differentiate =
between a=20
  clean looped sound and overdriven solo sound.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>I was able to get some real nice sounds with this. I'll post an =
audio=20
  and/or video sample soon.</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT class=3DApple-style-span=20
  face=3D"Helvetica, Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); =
-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); =
-webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)"=20
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At 9:49 AM +0200 10/8/10, Christo Jota wrote:
>
>What do you think/know about the first edition=20
>of VOX Tone Lab, not the LE-series.
>It=B4s the blue, vintage looking device.
>Do you or everyone else know if it=B4s good sounding etc?

Christo,

Are you talking about the original ToneLab=20
tabletop model (compact blue model), or the=20
ToneLab SE floorpedal (blue pedalboard with two=20
footpedals)?

I've got one of the tabletop "blue meanies".=20
It's an excellent device and sounds great, but=20
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want to consider the SE pedalboard instead.=20
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controller for live use.  This can be a good=20
thing if you already have a MIDI pedalboard, or a=20
bad one if you don't and need to purchase more=20
gear.

However, the biggest shortcoming I've found in=20
the original tabletop model is that it came out=20
before they implemented that wonderful 8-second=20
looping delay into the ToneLabs.  The ToneLab SE=20
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luck.  Otherwise, I think it sounds great, just=20
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archives, since Bill Walker was a heavy user for=20
a long time (until he finally went totally=20
boutique analog for his tone-shaping, I believe).=20
If you look through his previous posts to this=20
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information and impressions on using the ToneLab=20
live and as a looping device.

Remember, the archive search is your friend....  ;)

	-- m.
-- 
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On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
> It would be interesting to hear from professional musicians on this list who
> live in other regions
> and countries.


I live in Sweden and here the market for recorded music has always
been global. So when I was signed as an artist to a couple of (yes,
the contract was sold and bought and sold and bought many times)
record labels they were all working on the international market, so
the changes I've seen are not particularly for this region.  It seems
the whole business went global by 1990 some time. Anyway, 1997 was the
year when CD sales dropped and since then many labels went bankrupt.
So much for the recording side of the job. I did some studio work as a
guitarist in the 80's and 90's but then the studio scene changed from
working on high budget projects to working on low budget demo
recordings, and that means no money to hire studio musicians.

If I compare the payment for working as a "hired gun" tour musician
the wage I had in 1987 was the same as that job is paid today - while
most other jobs in Sweden has seen at least a doubling of the wage
level since then.

My personal history is more about "trying to get out of full time
musicianship" rather than "making it" and I guess that says a lot
about my own musical tastes vs the market and common taste implied by
the music business ;-)  But I can tell that there is less money in the
circles now compared to one or two decades ago, when it comes to
booking freelance gigs (not going with the established booking
agencies).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub

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Hi all,

I'm looking for a foot controller to attach to a software based looper I'm
developing under Linux, and very much like the  looks of this one:
   http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/gio.php

The manufactures blurb makes a big deal about it being 'Mac only', but I see
no reason why it should be, as it implements bog standard MIDI over USB.
Has anyone here had sucess getting that hardware to work on non Mac
systems?  getting access to the build in audio interface and the lights on
the unit would be nice, but not essential for what I'm doing

Jacob

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oks of this one:<br>=A0=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.apogeedigital.com/products=
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<br>The manufactures blurb makes a big deal about it being &#39;Mac only&#3=
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I meant the ToneLab tabletop model.
But maybe I should look for the SE model.
The delay function sounds interesting although I don´t need
the looper function that much.
If I had a good delay and amp modeling in one device,
I could sell the external Boss DD20 Delay.
Easier for live-gigs with less equipement.
OR does the tabeltop model have good delay options too,
just not having the loop function?
Then I might use the Tabletop with a midi controller.
Which is more gear, you´re right.
mmmh...

Christo

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From: "Dustbunnies" <mech@m3ch.net>
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> At 9:49 AM +0200 10/8/10, Christo Jota wrote:
>>
>>What do you think/know about the first edition of VOX Tone Lab, not the 
>>LE-series.
>>It´s the blue, vintage looking device.
>>Do you or everyone else know if it´s good sounding etc?
>
> Christo,
>
> Are you talking about the original ToneLab tabletop model (compact blue 
> model), or the ToneLab SE floorpedal (blue pedalboard with two 
> footpedals)?
>
> I've got one of the tabletop "blue meanies". It's an excellent device and 
> sounds great, but there are a couple of things that might make you want to 
> consider the SE pedalboard instead. Obviously, the tabletop version has no 
> footswitches (although there are a couple of jacks for external pedals in 
> the back), so it's really meant more to be controlled by a MIDI controller 
> for live use.  This can be a good thing if you already have a MIDI 
> pedalboard, or a bad one if you don't and need to purchase more gear.
>
> However, the biggest shortcoming I've found in the original tabletop model 
> is that it came out before they implemented that wonderful 8-second 
> looping delay into the ToneLabs.  The ToneLab SE has that, but for the 
> original ToneLab... no such luck.  Otherwise, I think it sounds great, 
> just the way you'd expect it to.
>
> As for the ToneLab SE, look back through the archives, since Bill Walker 
> was a heavy user for a long time (until he finally went totally boutique 
> analog for his tone-shaping, I believe). If you look through his previous 
> posts to this list, you'll find a lot of very useful information and 
> impressions on using the ToneLab live and as a looping device.
>
> Remember, the archive search is your friend....  ;)
>
> -- m.
> -- 
> _____
> "...but Whitey had not, and was not, coming up with it."
> 

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  Kris wrote:
"Another idea is selling thumb drives.  You could get a 6 gig thumb 
drive and put all sorts on things on it"


I have a project in mind around exactly that same idea but I've been 
researching 4 gig - 8 gig
thumb drive prices and the cheapest you can buy them is around $7-$8 each.

What do you sell it for to make it worth it's while?     I'd say at 
least $20 but I honestly
think that won't float in this economy.

Another approach is the approach being taken by Steve Wilson, the leader of
Porcupine Tree where he invests in the artwork of a really nicely done 
project
and sells it all as an 'object d-art'.

It works for him because
1)  he's built a following up for years and years
2)  he has the money to invest in the first place
3)  he lives with his parents who support him in lots of ways

Still,  I've decide that's going to be my approach..........merely 
because I want to create
art , even if it is modest art.   This next year of my life I"m finally 
going to have the time and
energy to finish several projects that have been gestating for the past 
5 years.

LOL,  I"m just going to flood the world with new art and hope somebody 
wants to
buy it.

R.

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Kris,

sorry for the stupid question but are thumb drives and flash drives one and the 
same?

Good idea making an objet d'art. I have collaborated with visual artists in the 
past but never published a collaborative object.

Antony Hequet



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Kris wrote:
"Another idea is selling thumb drives.  You could get a 6 gig thumb drive and 
put all sorts on things on it"


I have a project in mind around exactly that same idea but I've been researching 
4 gig - 8 gig
thumb drive prices and the cheapest you can buy them is around $7-$8 each.

What do you sell it for to make it worth it's while?     I'd say at least $20 
but I honestly
think that won't float in this economy.

Another approach is the approach being taken by Steve Wilson, the leader of
Porcupine Tree where he invests in the artwork of a really nicely done project
and sells it all as an 'object d-art'.

It works for him because
1)  he's built a following up for years and years
2)  he has the money to invest in the first place
3)  he lives with his parents who support him in lots of ways

Still,  I've decide that's going to be my approach..........merely because I 
want to create
art , even if it is modest art.   This next year of my life I"m finally going to 
have the time and
energy to finish several projects that have been gestating for the past 5 years.

LOL,  I"m just going to flood the world with new art and hope somebody wants to
buy it.

R.


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Kris,</div><div><br></div><div>sorry for the stupid question but are thumb drives and flash drives one and the same?</div><div><br></div><div>Good idea making an objet d'art. I have collaborated with visual artists in the past but never published a collaborative object.</div><div><br></div><div>Antony Hequet</div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Rick Walker &lt;looppool@cruzio.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) &lt;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, October 8, 2010 11:35:59
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 Kris wrote:<br>"Another idea is selling thumb drives.&nbsp; You could get a 6 gig thumb drive and put all sorts on things on it"<br><br><br>I have a project in mind around exactly that same idea but I've been researching 4 gig - 8 gig<br>thumb drive prices and the cheapest you can buy them is around $7-$8 each.<br><br>What do you sell it for to make it worth it's while?&nbsp; &nbsp;  I'd say at least $20 but I honestly<br>think that won't float in this economy.<br><br>Another approach is the approach being taken by Steve Wilson, the leader of<br>Porcupine Tree where he invests in the artwork of a really nicely done project<br>and sells it all as an 'object d-art'.<br><br>It works for him because<br>1)&nbsp; he's built a following up for years and years<br>2)&nbsp; he has the money to invest in the first place<br>3)&nbsp; he lives with his parents who support him in lots of ways<br><br>Still,&nbsp; I've decide that's going to be my
 approach..........merely because I want to create<br>art , even if it is modest art.&nbsp;  This next year of my life I"m finally going to have the time and<br>energy to finish several projects that have been gestating for the past 5 years.<br><br>LOL,&nbsp; I"m just going to flood the world with new art and hope somebody wants to<br>buy it.<br><br>R.<br><br></div></div><div style="position:fixed"></div>


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well it seems that my situation is nearly the opposite...

i have started playing in rock bands at the end of 1990s at clubs in and 
around istanbul. since we did not have a record out, we made very little 
money ( maybe 100 usd for the whole band a night ). there were not many 
studios and engineers you could work with to get the sound you want, also 
the recording gear was way too expensive. then in 2000 the first sound 
engineering school has opened up. a lof musicians from my generation 
gradutated from there. now i am about to finish the phd hopefully.

during the 2000s, i had to work very very hard to get my name and records 
out there. since there is nearly no record labels to release non-commercial 
work and there is nearly no financial support from the government and 
institutions, it has been a tough ride. like other musicians from my 
generation in turkey we have learned to survive under these conditions. that 
means that we have trained ourselves to become a sound engineer, producer, 
remixer, arranger, performing artist, contemporary music composer etc and 
everything in between in one personality!

these days i produce major rock bands, r and b - pop acts, but also work on 
my own material, write music for visuals, receive commissions for 
contemporary music etc. my income is good compared with the life standard in 
turkey.

so i think if you get excited about working with a rock band in the studio 
one day, and try to finish your electroacoustic opera the next, you will be 
more than fine in today's music world. i think the trick is to be able to do 
different things without losing your energy and concentration.

anyways that is my short story...

best.

www.erdemhelvacioglu.com

New duo album with Per Boysen out now.
http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com
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>  Okay,  that does it.
>
> That's the single most depressing website I've ever visited.
>
> This then leads to the argument,   yeah, but what about
> playing live gigs with their inherent revenue stream?
>
> This then, is my own personal story.   It may sound like a lament
> or a plea for pity but it truly isn't.  I'm happier than I've ever 
> been........
> .....just much poorer as a professional musician.
>
> I put it out there as an adjunct to this particular article:
>
>
>
> In 1969  the Cataylst in Santa Cruz was paying a 4 piece band $300
> to play there.   $75/person
>
> In the 1980's the money was flowing.   You could frequently
> find gigs that paid anywhere from $100 - $300 in this area
> or in Monterey/Carmel  or San Jose (where the pricier hotels
> and resort centers are).      There was a lot of studio work too
> which augmented income quite a bit.     There was a phase in the
> late 80's and early 90's where I wouldn't walk out of house to
> play a gig that paid less than $200 but I was also quite a bit in demand.
>
> At the end of the 90's and before the dot com bubble burst,  there
> were many gigs that paid extremely well (but the studio work
> had completely vanished)
>
> Then the bubble burst and that was that.  I went from having between 12 
> and
> 20 very high paying corporate gigs to finally having only 1 a year and 
> then
> none.
>
> I had raised my rates from $30 a lesson (40 minutes) to $40 a lesson (40 
> minutes
> or $50 a lesson (60 minutes) sometime in the early 90's.
>
> I haven't raised my rates since then (though my skill level and knowledge 
> base is
> vastly higher than 20 years ago.
>
> Then the recession hit and it's really been rough ever since.     I 
> stubbornly
> refused to lower my rates but my teaching schedule dropped rapidly.
>
> Commensurately around 2003 or 2004  people stopped buying CDs (at least in 
> my
> world).   I went from selling 20-upwards of 50 a gig to the point where I 
> no longer bring CDs to gigs because it's a waste of time and energy.
>
> Additionally,  the number of gigs that pay in this area has just dried up.
> I'd dearly love to do $50 gigs in this region.    There are still some 
> $100 - $200 gigs out there
> but way too many professional musicians vying for them to be viable as 
> income.
>
> And I've been blessed to be one of the most lucky and fortunate 
> professional musicians
> in this area.   One by one, most of the professional musicians I came up 
> with have left
> the field because there just was no way to make a decent living.
>
> So,  it looks like the paradigm has changed irrevocably and the life that 
> I have known as a professional
> is coming to an end.
>
> It makes me infinitely sad that things have gotten so bad but it is just 
> life.
>
> I also realize that my own story may be anomalous.............after all, 
> I've successfully been able to have
> an unencumbered artists life that sat along side of my 
> professional/commercial work.
> Also, Santa Cruz is just a weird,anomalous place demographically.   The 
> average family makes
> $83,000 a year in Santa Cruz according to census figures just released. 
> The price of housing is very high compared to the price of low waged jobs 
> (a professional musician being lumped in with
> most minimum wage jobs in terms of monthly income).
>
> It would be interesting to hear from professional musicians on this list 
> who live in other regions
> and countries.
>
> yours, in the spirit of music and community,
>
> Rick Walker
> 





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>  Kris wrote:
>"Another idea is selling thumb drives.  You could get a 6 gig thumb 
>drive and put all sorts on things on it"

Yes, but...what are thumb drives?  eh eh :-)

So The question of the money i think also if not merely artistic or tecnical 
is important 
and i'd like to give my contribution to the discussion. I don't think is only 
a 'internet problem'.
Here in Italy where i was born and where i live the situation is very similar 
to those you
described from other countries. But i'd like to put the attention to some 
statements:
Objouvsly making money with music has never been simple, But now the market is 
more
and more like a reversed pyramid a few pop and commercial similar musicians 
keep the 99% of the 
market. The reason for me is that business treats music and art in general 
like a merely marketing   
system and this destroys diversity. Another question is the education, here in 
Italy in this years
we are seeing a costant degradation of music and art education, so young 
people are no more used
to 'listen' music but they live it only in ther i-pod not really listening but 
only for fashion. 
(i don't know if i'm expressed well in english but i think you undertstand the 
concept) 
third: the music pollution and inflaction (bad music everywhere and anytime) 
has spread so 
people are used to defend themselves from that and no more to listen or to be 
pleased by sounds (pubs,restaurants,bar). 
By this way concerts and exibitions are deserted or there is an incredible gap 
between 
the famous hot pop name of the top of the pyramid that makes 60.000 people and 
the honest
club musician that see 20 not paying people at his gig (talking eachother and 
non listening) if it goes well.
Here in Italy the only way to try to get attention is giving food or make 
dance.
Folk and traditional dance bands are the only bands that still now gain 
something and
for paradox they are alla composed by 'not young people'. Here only music is 
loosing interest to the
majority of people. So how to be positive talking about money? Music must 
return to be consider
like a value, a passion, a desire, a mystery...when this will happen again 
(Like in the years between '50-'80)
we will talk again about living honestly by music but sincerily i don't see it 
close to happen
Your  

Max Liver



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My situation is may be a little odd compared to some ..my music is my only =
income but it was a back up plan originally ....i worked as a maintenance m=
an in a mortuary ...then a new cooperate bought it out....and decided to sa=
ck me and hire a part timer for 2/3rd's my pay....i always wanted to focus =
fully on my music any way ..guess they just gave me the extra kick ..in mor=
e ways than one.....i love playing...but it been tough...around here the go=
ing rate is $100 US for three hours playing...but with set up time i end up=
 at the venue 5 to 6 hours..this month I'm averaging 2 gigs a week so I'm g=
etting by barely...starting to lose a few gigs though when i call back...be=
cause another musician "friend".snagged my venues by quoting them 50 bucks =
for 3 hours....Bugger!

Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA=A0 50131

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20
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It would be interesting to hear from professional musicians on this list wh=
o live in other regions
and countries.

yours, in the spirit of music and community,

Rick Walker


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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-style:=
 italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">My situation is may be a little odd compared=
 to some ..my music is my only income but it was a back up plan originally =
....i worked as a <span><span>maintenance</span></span> man in a mortuary .=
..then a new cooperate bought it out....and decided to sack me and hire a p=
art timer for 2/3rd's my pay....i always wanted to focus fully on my music =
any way ..guess they just gave me the extra kick ..in more ways than one...=
..i love playing...but it been tough...around here the going rate is $100 U=
S for three hours playing...but with set up time i end up at the venue 5 to=
 6 hours..this month I'm averaging 2 gigs a week so I'm getting by barely..=
.starting to lose a few gigs though when i call back...because another musi=
cian "friend".snagged my venues by quoting them 50 bucks for 3
 hours....Bugger!</span><br><br><div><address style=3D"font-family: arial,h=
elvetica,sans-serif; font-weight: bold;"><font color=3D"#bf00bf" size=3D"2"=
>Kyle Dean Patten</font></address> <address style=3D"font-family: arial,hel=
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lvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 128, 255); font-weight: bold;"><font size=
=3D"2">Johnston, IA&nbsp; 50131<br><br style=3D"color: rgb(0, 128, 255);"><=
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;" size=3D"1"><a
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128, 255);">http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten </span><br><span style=3D=
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://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten</a></font><font style=3D"font-family:=
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" size=3D"2"><font style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 255); font-family: tahoma,ne=
w york,times,serif;" size=3D"2"><font size=3D"1">&nbsp;</font>&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;</font>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br></font><font style=3D"font-family: arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(128, 192, 255); font-weight: bold;" size=
=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size:
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pan></font><br style=3D"font-weight: bold;"><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_=
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teresting to hear from professional musicians on this list who live in othe=
r regions<br>and countries.<br><br>yours, in the spirit of music and commun=
ity,<br><br>Rick Walker<br><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table>
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I agree with the Rick that the figures in this chart are very depressing. I
shut up a few younger voices in my office, with these statistics, who feel
that the internet is good for music... and I have always been saying,
"Yes... for the consumer, not the artist".

I NEVER wanted to be a professional musician, I created a couple of pretty
far-out bands in the 80=B4s, one was successful and one was not, but I was =
as
surprised as anyone when I found myself to be a pro for about 10 years. I
was not well paid during this time (I currently earn about 10 times what I
did back then) but it was a fun time, and very creative.

Now I work as a film-maker, and occasionally get to produce music for
corporate films, and I=B4m pretty happy doing that, but Im not sure that
anyone I know is earning money thru only music.

I am not clever enough to guess where this will all lead, but I=B4m very
afraid that we will look back at the 60=B4s and 70=B4s and reminisce that i=
t was
the only time in history where it was possible to have a job as a musician,
and NOT be a huge star. Remember the recording industry is relatively new,
maybe one hundred and fifty years, maybe its over now...?

Luckily, people will always love music, so there will always be musicians,
and at least we now live in a peroid where almost everyone can afford to
make and publish an album, (a film, a computer game, a book) now THAT wasn=
=B4t
possible in the 60=B4s and 70=B4s!

Art will never die, long live Art!


MArk


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mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
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I agree with the Rick that the figures in this chart are very depressing. I=
 shut up a few younger voices in my office, with these statistics, who feel=
 that the internet is good for music... and I have always been saying, &quo=
t;Yes... for the consumer, not the artist&quot;.<br>

<br>I NEVER wanted to be a professional musician, I created a couple of pre=
tty far-out bands in the 80=B4s, one was successful and one was not, but I =
was as surprised as anyone when I found myself to be a pro for about 10 yea=
rs. I was not well paid during this time (I currently earn about 10 times w=
hat I did back then) but it was a fun time, and very creative.<br>

<br>Now I work as a film-maker, and occasionally get to produce music for c=
orporate films, and I=B4m pretty happy doing that, but Im not sure that any=
one I know is earning money thru only music.<br><br>I am not clever enough =
to guess where this will all lead, but I=B4m very afraid that we will look =
back at the 60=B4s and 70=B4s and reminisce that it was the only time in hi=
story where it was possible to have a job as a musician, and NOT be a huge =
star. Remember the recording industry is relatively new, maybe one hundred =
and fifty years, maybe its over now...?<br>

<br>Luckily, people will always love music, so there will always be musicia=
ns, and at least we now live in a peroid where almost everyone can afford t=
o make and publish an album, (a film, a computer game, a book) now THAT was=
n=B4t possible in the 60=B4s and 70=B4s!<br>

<br>Art will never die, long live Art!<br><br><br>MArk<br><br clear=3D"all"=
><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.=
markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoabkh=
ao.com</a><br>

twitter @markfrancombe<br><a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094">http://vi=
meo.com/user825094</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.=
no</a><br>

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Cool... I like the randomness of it..=20

I have also aquired a modular synth=2C Jasuto on IPhona AND they have a FRE=
E VST PLUGIN.. It's very=2C very=2C very fun and while not exactly the "rea=
l thing" it can do some pretty need tricks even with samples. Chek it out !=
!! I will soon post my first expirments with it.. http://www.jasuto.com=20

Not sure if it can do clocked events=2C mayby inside live or together with =
Mobius??

=20

THanks for sharing KEvin...
=20
> Date: Thu=2C 7 Oct 2010 22:51:30 -0500
> From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: New looping track
>=20
> Quoting Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Hi Kevin=2C
> > Enjoyed it a lot! I'm a synth man=2C it's interesting to read how you
> > experiment with your instruments and explore the unknown. I haven't
> > worked with modulars a lot ...and will wait for a while because I
> > think it could become the most addictive hobby ever =3B-)
> >
> Yes=2C it really is addictive. Particularly DIY synth building because=2C=
=20
> once has built up a stock of parts and tools=2C the cost to build an=20
> additional module isn't too bad. Thus=2C the temptation to build=20
> another module is ever-present.
> >
> > Anyway=2C what
> > exactly do you mean with " clocked events within very long loops"?
> >
>=20
> The short explanation is that I use the LP1's Midi Clock to assure=20
> that every note starts precisely on a "beat". It is a real-time=20
> quantization.
>=20
> Here is a more technical explanation:
>=20
> I'm using the Looperlative LP1 and=2C as you may know=2C it sends MIDI=20
> CLOCK that is synced with the master track. In this track=2C I set the=20
> LP1's "beats per measure" =3D 8. The loop was around 24 seconds long=20
> which corresponds to a beat (a quarter note) every 3 seconds.=20
> However=2C MIDI Clock divides each beat into 24 "ticks".
>=20
> The point here is that the ticks will be in sync with each iteration=20
> of the loop. On my synthesizer=2C I send the ticks into a clock=20
> divider and set it to the smallest note value that I wish to use.=20
> Normally=2C I divide by three which corresponds to a 32nd note. From=20
> this divider=2C I can then run the ticks through more dividers and=2C=20
> regardless of how I set or change the division amount=2C I will always=20
> get a tick that corresponds to a 32nd note. (One of my modules is a=20
> Voltage-Controlled Clock divider that will divide by as much as 60.)
>=20
> My synthesizer utilizes Gate/Trigger logic which requires both a gate=20
> and a trigger signal to play a note (i.e.=2C to "fire" the envelope=20
> generators). If I use the gate from a keyboard and the trigger from=20
> the divided LP1 ticks=2C then the note won't start anywhere except on a=20
> 32nd note boundary. Thus=2C I can play notes that appear to randomly=20
> placed that are=2C in reality=2C placed precisely on a beat.
>=20
> So=2C that is what I meant by "clocked events within Very Long Loops".
>=20
> -- Kevin
>=20
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Cool...&nbsp=3BI like the randomness of it.. <BR>
I have also aquired a&nbsp=3Bmodular synth=2C Jasuto&nbsp=3Bon IPhona AND t=
hey have a FREE VST PLUGIN.. It's very=2C very=2C very fun and while not ex=
actly the "real thing" it can do some pretty need tricks even with samples.=
 Chek it out !!! I will soon post my first expirments with it.. <A href=3D"=
http://www.jasuto.com">http://www.jasuto.com</A> <BR>
Not sure if it can do clocked events=2C mayby inside live or together with =
Mobius??<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
THanks for sharing KEvin...<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>&gt=3B Date: Thu=2C 7 Oct 2010 2=
2:51:30 -0500<BR>&gt=3B From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com<BR>&gt=3B To: L=
oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>&gt=3B Subject: Re: New looping track=
<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B Quoting Sjaak Overgaauw &lt=3Btcplugin@gmail.com&gt=
=3B:<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B Hi Kevin=2C<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B Enjoyed=
 it a lot! I'm a synth man=2C it's interesting to read how you<BR>&gt=3B &g=
t=3B experiment with your instruments and explore the unknown. I haven't<BR=
>&gt=3B &gt=3B worked with modulars a lot ...and will wait for a while beca=
use I<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B think it could become the most addictive hobby ever =
=3B-)<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B<BR>&gt=3B Yes=2C it really is addictive. Particularl=
y DIY synth building because=2C <BR>&gt=3B once has built up a stock of par=
ts and tools=2C the cost to build an <BR>&gt=3B additional module isn't too=
 bad. Thus=2C the temptation to build <BR>&gt=3B another module is ever-pre=
sent.<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B Anyway=2C what<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B exa=
ctly do you mean with " clocked events within very long loops"?<BR>&gt=3B &=
gt=3B<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B The short explanation is that I use the LP1's Mi=
di Clock to assure <BR>&gt=3B that every note starts precisely on a "beat".=
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more technical explanation:<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B I'm using the Looperlative=
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d with the master track. In this track=2C I set the <BR>&gt=3B LP1's "beats=
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orresponds to a beat (a quarter note) every 3 seconds. <BR>&gt=3B However=
=2C MIDI Clock divides each beat into 24 "ticks".<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B The =
point here is that the ticks will be in sync with each iteration <BR>&gt=3B=
 of the loop. On my synthesizer=2C I send the ticks into a clock <BR>&gt=3B=
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=3B Normally=2C I divide by three which corresponds to a 32nd note. From <B=
R>&gt=3B this divider=2C I can then run the ticks through more dividers and=
=2C <BR>&gt=3B regardless of how I set or change the division amount=2C I w=
ill always <BR>&gt=3B get a tick that corresponds to a 32nd note. (One of m=
y modules is a <BR>&gt=3B Voltage-Controlled Clock divider that will divide=
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er logic which requires both a gate <BR>&gt=3B and a trigger signal to play=
 a note (i.e.=2C to "fire" the envelope <BR>&gt=3B generators). If I use th=
e gate from a keyboard and the trigger from <BR>&gt=3B the divided LP1 tick=
s=2C then the note won't start anywhere except on a <BR>&gt=3B 32nd note bo=
undary. Thus=2C I can play notes that appear to randomly <BR>&gt=3B placed =
that are=2C in reality=2C placed precisely on a beat.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B =
So=2C that is what I meant by "clocked events within Very Long Loops".<BR>&=
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I think the key is to have multiple streams. I just lost my day job =20
due to my back injury but I'm getting better so I am currently a =20
musician by default!

Matt Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com
mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com




On 8 Oct 2010, at 12:19, mark francombe wrote:

> I agree with the Rick that the figures in this chart are very =20
> depressing. I shut up a few younger voices in my office, with these =20=

> statistics, who feel that the internet is good for music... and I =20
> have always been saying, "Yes... for the consumer, not the artist".
>
> I NEVER wanted to be a professional musician, I created a couple of =20=

> pretty far-out bands in the 80=B4s, one was successful and one was =20
> not, but I was as surprised as anyone when I found myself to be a =20
> pro for about 10 years. I was not well paid during this time (I =20
> currently earn about 10 times what I did back then) but it was a =20
> fun time, and very creative.
>
> Now I work as a film-maker, and occasionally get to produce music =20
> for corporate films, and I=B4m pretty happy doing that, but Im not =20
> sure that anyone I know is earning money thru only music.
>
> I am not clever enough to guess where this will all lead, but I=B4m =20=

> very afraid that we will look back at the 60=B4s and 70=B4s and =20
> reminisce that it was the only time in history where it was =20
> possible to have a job as a musician, and NOT be a huge star. =20
> Remember the recording industry is relatively new, maybe one =20
> hundred and fifty years, maybe its over now...?
>
> Luckily, people will always love music, so there will always be =20
> musicians, and at least we now live in a peroid where almost =20
> everyone can afford to make and publish an album, (a film, a =20
> computer game, a book) now THAT wasn=B4t possible in the 60=B4s and =
70=B4s!
>
> Art will never die, long live Art!
>
>
> MArk
>
>
> --=20
> mark francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no


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I think the key is to have multiple streams. I just lost my day job due =
to my back injury but I'm getting better so I am currently a musician by =
default!<div><br><div> <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
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auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div>Matt =
Stevens</div><div>www.mattstevensguitar.com</div><div><a =
href=3D"mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com">mattstevensguitar@btinter=
net.com</a></div><div><br></div></span><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On 8 Oct 2010, =
at 12:19, mark francombe wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">I agree =
with the Rick that the figures in this chart are very depressing. I shut =
up a few younger voices in my office, with these statistics, who feel =
that the internet is good for music... and I have always been saying, =
"Yes... for the consumer, not the artist".<br> <br>I NEVER wanted to be =
a professional musician, I created a couple of pretty far-out bands in =
the 80=B4s, one was successful and one was not, but I was as surprised =
as anyone when I found myself to be a pro for about 10 years. I was not =
well paid during this time (I currently earn about 10 times what I did =
back then) but it was a fun time, and very creative.<br> <br>Now I work =
as a film-maker, and occasionally get to produce music for corporate =
films, and I=B4m pretty happy doing that, but Im not sure that anyone I =
know is earning money thru only music.<br><br>I am not clever enough to =
guess where this will all lead, but I=B4m very afraid that we will look =
back at the 60=B4s and 70=B4s and reminisce that it was the only time in =
history where it was possible to have a job as a musician, and NOT be a =
huge star. Remember the recording industry is relatively new, maybe one =
hundred and fifty years, maybe its over now...?<br> <br>Luckily, people =
will always love music, so there will always be musicians, and at least =
we now live in a peroid where almost everyone can afford to make and =
publish an album, (a film, a computer game, a book) now THAT wasn=B4t =
possible in the 60=B4s and 70=B4s!<br> <br>Art will never die, long live =
Art!<br><br><br>MArk<br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark =
francombe<br><a =
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href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br> twitter =
@markfrancombe<br><a =
href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br><a=
 =
href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no</a><br></blockquote></div=
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  Erdem wrote:
"that means that we have trained ourselves to become a sound engineer, 
producer, remixer, arranger, performing artist, contemporary music 
composer etc and everything in between in one personality!"


Exactly!

for the record, in order to make my rent and buy equipment (and food), I 
have

been a bandleader, a promoter,  a festival organizer,  put up posters 
professionally,
made posters professionally,  been a band manager,   been a professional 
publicist,
been a professional music business consultant,  been a live sound 
engineer,  been a
studio engineer,   been a producer,   been a remixer,  been a masterer,  
been a studio
musician,  been a hired gun (drums/percussion), been an author,  been a 
lecturer,
been a teacher of percussion, drums, digital sound design, production, 
arrangement,
rhythmic theory, timbral and acoustic theory,  been an instrument 
designer, been
an endorsing artist,  been a software developer,  been a drum 
programmer, bought
and sold used equipment and  worked the counter at a music store (back 
in the day) all
in order to stay solvent as a musician.

It keeps you young, though,  I have to say.

thanks for you inspiring message,  Erdem!   Good luck with your artistry 
in Turkey and all over
the world...............good things are coming for you, my talented friend!

Rick

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  Mark Francombe wrote:

"Art will never die, long live Art!:


Yeah, verily!!!!!!


I'm really enjoying this thread..............which started out 
depressing to me but
I also realized how much Ilove this list and all the people on it with 
their attitudes
towards music.

Beautiful and informative responses by everybody!

I realize that as hard as doing the looping festival is for me,  that 
it's always the highlight of
my life each year and that I"m so excited to get to physically hang out 
with several members
of this very thread.

long live Art!!!!

I can't imagine life without it, frankly!

Now back to trying to figure out how to get everybody from the airport 
to my home
and to the gigs on Wednesday and Thursday.......lol


gratefully,   Rick Walker

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well,

I feel less lonely now. I am not the only crazy person doing 5 jobs and working 
my arse off just to produce something that holds some meaning (or I hope it 
does)...

Antony Hequet
poet, composer, singer, multi instrumentalist, self promoter, Robin Hood, 
producer, sound designer, casanova...



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Mark Francombe wrote:

"Art will never die, long live Art!:


Yeah, verily!!!!!!


I'm really enjoying this thread..............which started out depressing to me 
but
I also realized how much Ilove this list and all the people on it with their 
attitudes
towards music.

Beautiful and informative responses by everybody!

I realize that as hard as doing the looping festival is for me,  that it's 
always the highlight of
my life each year and that I"m so excited to get to physically hang out with 
several members
of this very thread.

long live Art!!!!

I can't imagine life without it, frankly!

Now back to trying to figure out how to get everybody from the airport to my 
home
and to the gigs on Wednesday and Thursday.......lol


gratefully,   Rick Walker


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div>well,</div><div><br></div><div>I feel less lonely now. I am not the only crazy person doing 5 jobs and working my arse off just to produce something that holds some meaning (or I hope it does)...</div><div><br></div><div>Antony Hequet</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">poet, composer, singer, multi instrumentalist, self promoter, Robin Hood, producer, sound designer, casanova...</span></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Rick Walker &lt;looppool@cruzio.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)
 &lt;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, October 8, 2010 2:54:40 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: making money off your music<br></font><br>
 Mark Francombe wrote:<br><br>"Art will never die, long live Art!:<br><br><br>Yeah, verily!!!!!!<br><br><br>I'm really enjoying this thread..............which started out depressing to me but<br>I also realized how much Ilove this list and all the people on it with their attitudes<br>towards music.<br><br>Beautiful and informative responses by everybody!<br><br>I realize that as hard as doing the looping festival is for me,&nbsp; that it's always the highlight of<br>my life each year and that I"m so excited to get to physically hang out with several members<br>of this very thread.<br><br>long live Art!!!!<br><br>I can't imagine life without it, frankly!<br><br>Now back to trying to figure out how to get everybody from the airport to my home<br>and to the gigs on Wednesday and Thursday.......lol<br><br><br>gratefully,&nbsp;  Rick Walker<br><br></div></div><div style="position:fixed"></div>


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?>  Erdem wrote:
> "that means that we have trained ourselves to become a sound engineer, 
> producer, remixer, arranger, performing artist, contemporary music 
> composer etc and everything in between in one personality!"

Either a kind of pleasant Renaissance Man curse-blessing, or the online, 
digital version of a one-man band-with-director-producer as well...?

I've decided that if I keep considering it as Art, while attempting to keep 
my business schmarts about me, at the very least I'll be happy with it. 
We'll see on that one...

On a slightly similar subject I'm working on a PD print of Ed Wood Jr's 
"Plan 9 From Outer Space" for airing this month on Ustream, as well as some 
other sort-of classics including "Test Tube Baby", "White Zombie" and 
"Teenagers from Outer Space".  For Halloween weekend I'm doing up 
"Nosferatu" from a fairly-restored copy, which will be a good experiment in 
soundtrackking for situational music therapy, or something.  I've got the 
copy with the cock crowing!

Stephen Goodman
EarthLight Productions
*
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http://www.earthlight.tv
*
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Can we broadcast that on www.cafenoodle.ning.com - amazing idea :)

Matt Stevens
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On 8 Oct 2010, at 14:20, Stephen Goodman wrote:

> ?>  Erdem wrote:
>> "that means that we have trained ourselves to become a sound  
>> engineer, producer, remixer, arranger, performing artist,  
>> contemporary music composer etc and everything in between in one  
>> personality!"
>
> Either a kind of pleasant Renaissance Man curse-blessing, or the  
> online, digital version of a one-man band-with-director-producer as  
> well...?
>
> I've decided that if I keep considering it as Art, while attempting  
> to keep my business schmarts about me, at the very least I'll be  
> happy with it. We'll see on that one...
>
> On a slightly similar subject I'm working on a PD print of Ed Wood  
> Jr's "Plan 9 From Outer Space" for airing this month on Ustream, as  
> well as some other sort-of classics including "Test Tube Baby",  
> "White Zombie" and "Teenagers from Outer Space".  For Halloween  
> weekend I'm doing up "Nosferatu" from a fairly-restored copy, which  
> will be a good experiment in soundtrackking for situational music  
> therapy, or something.  I've got the copy with the cock crowing!
>
> Stephen Goodman
> EarthLight Productions
> *
> http://www.earthlight.net
> http://www.earthlight.tv
> *
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What can we do about this apparent decline in appreciation of the live 
musical arts? And what is the root cause, if any, of this?  It seems today 
that the media and music industry is "conditioning" people to appreciate 
immediate satisfaction, e-media, canned art.  People just want to download 
music to load on their iPODS and run off and do their own independent thing. 
One could argue that the predecessor to this phenomenon was the advent of 
radio.  There was a time when to listen to music you had to go to a concert 
hall, town hall, local pub, church, or make it at home with the family. 
Then once radio came along, families could listen to  music and never leave 
the house...I think it was downhill from that point onward...just my 
pessimistic view here, but that seemed like a start of a trend, moving music 
away from community settings to more private settings, thus precluding the 
live art element.   So, the historical progression of decline would start 
with the radio and then move to recorded media, and then finally to 
downloadable media.   All that is left is to reproduce live concerts with 
holographic video in the living rooms of listeners, and we are dead in the 
water.   How many people in the world "really" care and value listeing to a 
live band, not in a club for dancing or drinking purposes, but a real 
performance where the group is the center of attention and considered an 
artistic performance?

Kris

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Hi Anja - all the history stuff is here :) http://www.loopers- 
delight.com/history/history.html

Any questions give us a shout

Matt Stevens
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> I have to write a dissertation about looping. My question is about  
> the beginnings of that technique. When did looping come up? Who was  
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> Thank you, Anja


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-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
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at 14:55, Anja Hohl wrote:</div><br =
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Those small flash drives that you plub into your USB.  I guess that is a =
US term.  :)
Kris

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  Kris,


  sorry for the stupid question but are thumb drives and flash drives =
one and the same?


  Good idea making an objet d'art. I have collaborated with visual =
artists in the past but never published a collaborative object.


  Antony Hequet



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  Subject: Re: making money off your music

  Kris wrote:
  "Another idea is selling thumb drives.  You could get a 6 gig thumb =
drive and put all sorts on things on it"


  I have a project in mind around exactly that same idea but I've been =
researching 4 gig - 8 gig
  thumb drive prices and the cheapest you can buy them is around $7-$8 =
each.

  What do you sell it for to make it worth it's while?    I'd say at =
least $20 but I honestly
  think that won't float in this economy.

  Another approach is the approach being taken by Steve Wilson, the =
leader of
  Porcupine Tree where he invests in the artwork of a really nicely done =
project
  and sells it all as an 'object d-art'.

  It works for him because
  1)  he's built a following up for years and years
  2)  he has the money to invest in the first place
  3)  he lives with his parents who support him in lots of ways

  Still,  I've decide that's going to be my approach..........merely =
because I want to create
  art , even if it is modest art.  This next year of my life I"m finally =
going to have the time and
  energy to finish several projects that have been gestating for the =
past 5 years.

  LOL,  I"m just going to flood the world with new art and hope somebody =
wants to
  buy it.

  R.




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Well, it's awfully nice to be paid.

I never turn down money and always say "thank you" when I get it.

And, it would be doubly wonderful to be paid for exactly the the art  
one wanted to do (whatever that is).

But there is a slight problem that I find often occurs when mixing  
commerce and art.

You get stuck doing what other people want and will pay for  
(eventually) whether it's what you personally want to do or not.

That is, unless you are the recipient of the triple bonus prize of  
evolution and good fortune - finding yourself so talented and  
artistically in-tune with a large (enough), ready and willing-to-pay  
audience (or other patronage) that will buy absolutely anything you  
do, and the thing that you most crave to do is exactly what they crave  
most to have you do - a match made in heaven or hell (I don't know  
which).

Otherwise, lots of us seem to be out of luck (at least that sort of  
luck).

I don't make much money with my music.

But, I never really planned (or plan) to.

I work (a day job) to live . . . and to buy time and resources to make  
art.

I make art (the art I want) in order to be happy and satisfied while  
living life.

When I am occasionally not happy and satisfied with living life, it is  
usually because there is an imbalance somewhere.

The funny thing is, that imbalance never ever seems to have anything  
to do with whether or not I've been paid for my art.

If there is some magic scheme or whatever to take the "day job" out of  
the equation and make more time for my art, or family, or whatever  
that would be super swell.

But, I am really not much into playing lotteries - be they state-run  
or genetic/evolutionary.

I figure I've already been dealt whatever cards I'm going to get to  
play in this game, and I might as well make the best of it.

Just some thoughts.

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I bought an RC-50 a few weeks ago but couldn't figure out how to use it =
in time for tour. Now I'm home and I want to get that thing into =
service.

Can anyone tell me how to set it up for plain looping, with an arbitrary =
loop time and three empty buckets? Every time I think I have created a =
blank-slate setting, it turns out to have a preprogrammed loop duration =
and I can't make it do what I want. And I am not finding this =
information in the manual. Frustrating!

- David Gans



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I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.  I make a reasonable amount of money =
playing music - not enough to pay my mortgage, but more than enough to =
make it worthwhile - and I am able to do so on my own terms for the most =
part.  I play music festivals (hippie jam-band festivals, for the most =
part), club gigs, farmers' markets, and house concerts.  I'm leaning =
toward more house concerts these days, because clubs are a lot less fun =
and these days less likely to be financially satisfying (as guarantees =
disappear and the venue wants a bigger share of the door, etc.).

I have CDs for sale on CDBaby, amazon.com, etc., but I hardly ever sell =
any through those channels.  The vast majority of my sales are, like =
most musicians' these days, at the gig: after the show you schmooze, =
sell CDs, and sign 'em.

I've also offered "bootleg" CDs of particularly satisfying shows via my =
blog, Facebook, etc.  These are properly mastered but not =
handsomely-produced - burned CDs with hand-written labels, offered at a =
bargain price (e.g. $10 for a two-disc set, plus postage).  I set that =
money aside for studio recordings, which I do a song at a time as the =
budget permits.




On Oct 8, 2010, at 7:48 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote:

> That is, unless you are the recipient of the triple bonus prize of =
evolution and good fortune - finding yourself so talented and =
artistically in-tune with a large (enough), ready and willing-to-pay =
audience (or other patronage) that will buy absolutely anything you do, =
and the thing that you most crave to do is exactly what they crave most =
to have you do - a match made in heaven or hell (I don't know which).

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com
Web site: http://www.dgans.com
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans
Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans




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Ted I parallel some of  your thoughts and some from the others.
Particularly enjoyed Kris's CD/mouse coaster comment (grins).

Despite the bleakness of the artistic pursuit I've always had it in my focu=
s
and though most of the time not, I've had the good fortune to make a little
money from time to time with my music but largely as with many of you
particularly now with the focus on 'freer' experimental music it's I do it
'because it's there' to quote a previous influence.

I graduated in 1977 with a BA in music as it was my dream to study and majo=
r
in it though at the time didn't choose to teach and hung on to my loftier
hopes/dreams which led to day jobs more than not.  My post college years
(20/30's) were plagued by low confidence in my music publicly yet the love
of it stayed steady.

Ironically my confidence grew with my timeliness of meeting my to be wife
and relocating to New York City in 1991 though the relocation took some out
of me and it wasn't till my son was a few months old and I was home with th=
e
flu that a major bolt hit me.  I was reading an interview with Pat Metheny
and he was talking about arriving a point of no longer doing some of the
early gigs where he had to do everything from toting his gear and playing i=
n
hellholes to where he is then at present.  It was the look back at a career
I admired early on.  Something from that though reached me and internally I
felt a voice screaming intensely that demanded to be heard.

In 1996 I started officially gigging in NYC and chasing just about any live
opportunity that found me.  I was at the time steeped in @15 years in solo
acoustic guitar in the style of my main influence Michael Hedges. Several
good things happened in that period that had some positive parallels.  My
confidence grew for the most part, through the help of a therapist who had
another influence on me I went from dealing with performance anxiety that
had plagued me to totally loving the performance experience.

I got my name out locally and through encouragement from a friend who was a
Taylor clinician at the time I began to try to get endorsement with the hop=
e
of pursuing the clinician trail which was the one thing I thought might
bring income from music.  After getting a string endorse with GHS I tapped
in to a contact at Sam Ash stores that led me to doing clinics in their
stores nationally between 2001-06 however despite all I tried I never got
beyond product and did them on my own dime throughout all of them.  I had
some close calls with Godin/Seagull and better with Larrivee re getting som=
e
backing but in the end nothing and as the millenium moved on it seemed that
the retail clinician was not a desirable thing to the stores anymore though
I did have a lot of fun and really enjoyed this form of teaching in a
sense.  My fav stores were those in southern CA that I got to play on
several trips to winter NAMM seeking the illusive 'guitar' endorse.

Another thing that happened in that period and probably the best thing at
least from visibility and commercial side was I had the good fortune to get
in the Mel Bay family and got a book deal in 2001 that led to the publishin=
g
of a book CD I authored on DADGAD.  This finally saw ink in January 2008.
In addition to that I got a piece in an anthology and currently have a
second book deal in the works though this one will be released as a 'print
on demand' which is due to economy MB's main way of publishing these days.
My DADGAD book I had the good fortune to get in the time of an official
'run' meaning the print up a 1,000 copies.  The residual was 10% of ever
copy sold which to date of the 1,000 run has been @400 copies.  Additionall=
y
the anthology has brought a few dollars though it's essentially for one
piece.

In 2006 after feeling that I wanted something more musically beyond where I
had gone as a solo acoustic guy, feeling as Peter Sellers said in the last
film where he played a gardener, 'the garden needs a rest' meaning I felt
the whole solo acoustic scene was tapped and that honestly though very
artful it had become sort of boring and an exercise of arrogance by some an=
d
a contest.  I was really interested in exploring the use of more technology
in music as well as a quest to play 'free'.  Both led me on a browse which
led to Loopers-Delight.

Through the community I met a guy named Daryl Shawn who was particularly
interesting from random bio browse as he was working with cassette tapes
doing some crazy stuff with endless loops and he was living in southern
Mexico which was intriguing to me.  We struck up dialog via email and he
introduced me to something called NinJam and honestly this was the most
significant thing in my music development since getting the major spark
years ago from discovering the late Michael Hedges and the aforementioned
interview with Metheny.

Ninjam led me to comfort in playing 'free' something I can't express enough
thanks for as well as branching out in instruments and so many global
friendships including really all of you that I know through LD.  It gave me
the opportunity to remotely perform live at the first Y2k festival in 2006
after just learning of it's existence about a week before becoming part of
it.

I've probably taken too much of the stage for this thread but that's my
story.  As the years have begun to eat their tails I've come to accept more
and more that I do this because I do this and the idea of income from it
though appreciated when it happens will never prevent me from doing it.  Th=
e
therapist I alluded to earlier had his office during that time in the
residence on the edge of the west Village here in NYC, that Charles Ives
used to live.  As I talked of my desires to one day get away from the day
gig and have support from the muse he used to remind me that Charles sold
insurance to pay his way for all of his adult life if memory serves me yet
he clearly stayed with his 'art' and that's where I think I am today.  I do
juggle this with a family, a day job, cost of life in NY but I do juggle it
and I guess in the end that's what it's about as there have many we all kno=
w
who as Rick said, have let go of the muse.

I look forward to seeing those of you who are coming to Y2K, can't wait.

Jim

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:48 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>wr=
ote:

> Well, it's awfully nice to be paid.
>
> I never turn down money and always say "thank you" when I get it.
>
> And, it would be doubly wonderful to be paid for exactly the the art one
> wanted to do (whatever that is).
>
> But there is a slight problem that I find often occurs when mixing commer=
ce
> and art.
>
> You get stuck doing what other people want and will pay for (eventually)
> whether it's what you personally want to do or not.
>
> That is, unless you are the recipient of the triple bonus prize of
> evolution and good fortune - finding yourself so talented and artisticall=
y
> in-tune with a large (enough), ready and willing-to-pay audience (or othe=
r
> patronage) that will buy absolutely anything you do, and the thing that y=
ou
> most crave to do is exactly what they crave most to have you do - a match
> made in heaven or hell (I don't know which).
>
> Otherwise, lots of us seem to be out of luck (at least that sort of luck)=
.
>
> I don't make much money with my music.
>
> But, I never really planned (or plan) to.
>
> I work (a day job) to live . . . and to buy time and resources to make ar=
t.
>
> I make art (the art I want) in order to be happy and satisfied while livi=
ng
> life.
>
> When I am occasionally not happy and satisfied with living life, it is
> usually because there is an imbalance somewhere.
>
> The funny thing is, that imbalance never ever seems to have anything to d=
o
> with whether or not I've been paid for my art.
>
> If there is some magic scheme or whatever to take the "day job" out of th=
e
> equation and make more time for my art, or family, or whatever that would=
 be
> super swell.
>
> But, I am really not much into playing lotteries - be they state-run or
> genetic/evolutionary.
>
> I figure I've already been dealt whatever cards I'm going to get to play =
in
> this game, and I might as well make the best of it.
>
> Just some thoughts.
>
>


--=20
>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &
Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
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Ted I parallel some of=A0 your thoughts and some from the others.=A0 Partic=
ularly enjoyed Kris&#39;s CD/mouse coaster comment (grins).<br><br>Despite =
the bleakness of the artistic pursuit I&#39;ve always had it in my focus an=
d though most of the time not, I&#39;ve had the good fortune to make a litt=
le money from time to time with my music but largely as with many of you pa=
rticularly now with the focus on &#39;freer&#39; experimental music it&#39;=
s I do it &#39;because it&#39;s there&#39; to quote a previous influence.<b=
r>
<br>I graduated in 1977 with a BA in music as it was my dream to study and =
major in it though at the time didn&#39;t choose to teach and hung on to my=
 loftier hopes/dreams which led to day jobs more than not.=A0 My post colle=
ge years (20/30&#39;s) were plagued by low confidence in my music publicly =
yet the love of it stayed steady.<br>
<br>Ironically my confidence grew with my timeliness of meeting my to be wi=
fe and relocating to New York City in 1991 though the relocation took some =
out of me and it wasn&#39;t till my son was a few months old and I was home=
 with the flu that a major bolt hit me.=A0 I was reading an interview with =
Pat Metheny and he was talking about arriving a point of no longer doing so=
me of the early gigs where he had to do everything from toting his gear and=
 playing in hellholes to where he is then at present.=A0 It was the look ba=
ck at a career I admired early on.=A0 Something from that though reached me=
 and internally I felt a voice screaming intensely that demanded to be hear=
d.<br>
<br>In 1996 I started officially gigging in NYC and chasing just about any =
live opportunity that found me.=A0 I was at the time steeped in @15 years i=
n solo acoustic guitar in the style of my main influence Michael Hedges. Se=
veral good things happened in that period that had some positive parallels.=
=A0 My confidence grew for the most part, through the help of a therapist w=
ho had another influence on me I went from dealing with performance anxiety=
 that had plagued me to totally loving the performance experience.=A0 <br>
<br>I got my name out locally and through encouragement from a friend who w=
as a Taylor clinician at the time I began to try to get endorsement with th=
e hope of pursuing the clinician trail which was the one thing I thought mi=
ght bring income from music.=A0 After getting a string endorse with GHS I t=
apped in to a contact at Sam Ash stores that led me to doing clinics in the=
ir stores nationally between 2001-06 however despite all I tried I never go=
t beyond product and did them on my own dime throughout all of them.=A0 I h=
ad some close calls with Godin/Seagull and better with Larrivee re getting =
some backing but in the end nothing and as the millenium moved on it seemed=
 that the retail clinician was not a desirable thing to the stores anymore =
though I did have a lot of fun and really enjoyed this form of teaching in =
a sense.=A0 My fav stores were those in southern CA that I got to play on s=
everal trips to winter NAMM seeking the illusive &#39;guitar&#39; endorse.<=
br>
<br>Another thing that happened in that period and probably the best thing =
at least from visibility and commercial side was I had the good fortune to =
get in the Mel Bay family and got a book deal in 2001 that led to the publi=
shing of a book CD I authored on DADGAD.=A0 This finally saw ink in January=
 2008.=A0 In addition to that I got a piece in an anthology and currently h=
ave a second book deal in the works though this one will be released as a &=
#39;print on demand&#39; which is due to economy MB&#39;s main way of publi=
shing these days.=A0 My DADGAD book I had the good fortune to get in the ti=
me of an official &#39;run&#39; meaning the print up a 1,000 copies.=A0 The=
 residual was 10% of ever copy sold which to date of the 1,000 run has been=
 @400 copies.=A0 Additionally the anthology has brought a few dollars thoug=
h it&#39;s essentially for one piece.<br>
<br>In 2006 after feeling that I wanted something more musically beyond whe=
re I had gone as a solo acoustic guy, feeling as Peter Sellers said in the =
last film where he played a gardener, &#39;the garden needs a rest&#39; mea=
ning I felt the whole solo acoustic scene was tapped and that honestly thou=
gh very artful it had become sort of boring and an exercise of arrogance by=
 some and a contest.=A0 I was really interested in exploring the use of mor=
e technology in music as well as a quest to play &#39;free&#39;.=A0 Both le=
d me on a browse which led to Loopers-Delight.<br>
<br>Through the community I met a guy named Daryl Shawn who was particularl=
y interesting from random bio browse as he was working with cassette tapes =
doing some crazy stuff with endless loops and he was living in southern Mex=
ico which was intriguing to me.=A0 We struck up dialog via email and he int=
roduced me to something called NinJam and honestly this was the most signif=
icant thing in my music development since getting the major spark years ago=
 from discovering the late Michael Hedges and the aforementioned interview =
with Metheny.<br>
<br>Ninjam led me to comfort in playing &#39;free&#39; something I can&#39;=
t express enough thanks for as well as branching out in instruments and so =
many global friendships including really all of you that I know through LD.=
=A0 It gave me the opportunity to remotely perform live at the first Y2k fe=
stival in 2006 after just learning of it&#39;s existence about a week befor=
e becoming part of it.<br>
<br>I&#39;ve probably taken too much of the stage for this thread but that&=
#39;s my story.=A0 As the years have begun to eat their tails I&#39;ve come=
 to accept more and more that I do this because I do this and the idea of i=
ncome from it though appreciated when it happens will never prevent me from=
 doing it.=A0 The therapist I alluded to earlier had his office during that=
 time in the residence on the edge of the west Village here in NYC, that Ch=
arles Ives used to live.=A0 As I talked of my desires to one day get away f=
rom the day gig and have support from the muse he used to remind me that Ch=
arles sold insurance to pay his way for all of his adult life if memory ser=
ves me yet he clearly stayed with his &#39;art&#39; and that&#39;s where I =
think I am today.=A0 I do juggle this with a family, a day job, cost of lif=
e in NY but I do juggle it and I guess in the end that&#39;s what it&#39;s =
about as there have many we all know who as Rick said, have let go of the m=
use.<br>
<br>I look forward to seeing those of you who are coming to Y2K, can&#39;t =
wait.<br><br>Jim<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 1=
0:48 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tedkillian=
@charter.net" target=3D"_blank">tedkillian@charter.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Well, it&#39;s awfully nice to be paid.<br>
<br>
I never turn down money and always say &quot;thank you&quot; when I get it.=
<br>
<br>
And, it would be doubly wonderful to be paid for exactly the the art one wa=
nted to do (whatever that is).<br>
<br>
But there is a slight problem that I find often occurs when mixing commerce=
 and art.<br>
<br>
You get stuck doing what other people want and will pay for (eventually) wh=
ether it&#39;s what you personally want to do or not.<br>
<br>
That is, unless you are the recipient of the triple bonus prize of evolutio=
n and good fortune - finding yourself so talented and artistically in-tune =
with a large (enough), ready and willing-to-pay audience (or other patronag=
e) that will buy absolutely anything you do, and the thing that you most cr=
ave to do is exactly what they crave most to have you do - a match made in =
heaven or hell (I don&#39;t know which).<br>


<br>
Otherwise, lots of us seem to be out of luck (at least that sort of luck).<=
br>
<br>
I don&#39;t make much money with my music.<br>
<br>
But, I never really planned (or plan) to.<br>
<br>
I work (a day job) to live . . . and to buy time and resources to make art.=
<br>
<br>
I make art (the art I want) in order to be happy and satisfied while living=
 life.<br>
<br>
When I am occasionally not happy and satisfied with living life, it is usua=
lly because there is an imbalance somewhere.<br>
<br>
The funny thing is, that imbalance never ever seems to have anything to do =
with whether or not I&#39;ve been paid for my art.<br>
<br>
If there is some magic scheme or whatever to take the &quot;day job&quot; o=
ut of the equation and make more time for my art, or family, or whatever th=
at would be super swell.<br>
<br>
But, I am really not much into playing lotteries - be they state-run or gen=
etic/evolutionary.<br>
<br>
I figure I&#39;ve already been dealt whatever cards I&#39;m going to get to=
 play in this game, and I might as well make the best of it.<br>
<br>
Just some thoughts.<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>From Brooklyn To Glindr=
an, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 P=
roceeds<br>from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com" target=3D"_blank">jimgoodi=
npeterthorn.bandcamp.com</a>.<br>

<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.jimgood=
inmusic.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com" target=3D"=
_blank">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusi=
c.wordpress.com" target=3D"_blank">woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com</a><br>



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David,

Do you have the metronome set to "off"? This is how you can turn off  
quantization.
I'm not sure why you're ending up with preset loop duration. I  
haven't encountered that so far, but the first thing I did was save  
all the presets with metronome OFF.

The RC-50 is definitely a different beast. I used the RC-20XL prior  
to it and the learning curve was higher than I expected.  I'm  
starting to get the hang of it now.

Good luck,
	Stan



On Oct 8, 2010, at 11:22 AM, David Gans wrote:

>
> I bought an RC-50 a few weeks ago but couldn't figure out how to  
> use it in time for tour. Now I'm home and I want to get that thing  
> into service.
>
> Can anyone tell me how to set it up for plain looping, with an  
> arbitrary loop time and three empty buckets? Every time I think I  
> have created a blank-slate setting, it turns out to have a  
> preprogrammed loop duration and I can't make it do what I want. And  
> I am not finding this information in the manual. Frustrating!
>
> - David Gans
>
>
>

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Kris Hartung wrote:
> It seems 
> today that the media and music industry is "conditioning" people to 
> appreciate immediate satisfaction, e-media, canned art. 


> How many people in the world "really" care and value 
> listeing to a live band, not in a club for dancing or drinking purposes, 
> but a real performance where the group is the center of attention and 
> considered an artistic performance?

Yep, things are bleak.

here's something positive

Here's my friend Chris Doddridge performing to half a
dozen or so people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL9wHQH0jKg

Chris has no desire to play to larger audience,
and considers his playing to be a meditation rather than
a performance.
He follows the ancient Dhrupad school of North Indian music,
and has quite strict views on not playing flashy stuff to
impress an audience.
While he comes across as very much the traditionalist,
Chris has his own distinctive style which often involves the 
re-stringing and retuning of instruments to a much lower pitch.

andy




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I am a very happy RC-20XL user and I have been surprised at how hard it =
was to move over :^)

I'm off to a gig today but I'll try this over the weekend.  Thanks!



On Oct 8, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Stan Stewart wrote:

> David,
>=20
> Do you have the metronome set to "off"? This is how you can turn off =
quantization.
> I'm not sure why you're ending up with preset loop duration. I haven't =
encountered that so far, but the first thing I did was save all the =
presets with metronome OFF.
>=20
> The RC-50 is definitely a different beast. I used the RC-20XL prior to =
it and the learning curve was higher than I expected.  I'm starting to =
get the hang of it now.
>=20
> Good luck,
> 	Stan
>=20

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
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On Oct 8, 2010, at 9:35 AM, andy butler wrote:

>> How many people in the world "really" care and value listeing to a =
live band, not in a club for dancing or drinking purposes, but a real =
performance where the group is the center of attention and considered an =
artistic performance?

This is why I am doing more house concerts.  People show up to hear =
music, and so the performance is not a backdrop for mating rituals and =
beer sales.  Plus the financial arrangement is better.




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I count myself as real lucky. I spent 10 years making music for a 
living before dusting off my plumbers licence and going back to a day 
job. Now I'm able to support myself and able to play what I want and 
when I want to.... well, most of the time... I mean when I was doing 
music for a living I took any gig that came my way because I needed 
the money. If they said we don't want you to do any original music, 
well I didn't. Now, somebody says that to me I can tell them that 
they should contact some other musician. So I'd say that I'm quite 
content to be able to work on music that I find interesting, 
recordings that I give away and/or put out on the internet and any 
other variety of music related projects that catch my interest.

Around here, or maybe it's just the circle of friends that I have, 
I've seen a growing trend towards people wanting to play music with 
other folks, Sort of going back to the idea of community and people 
creating their own entertainment. One friend and I are talking about 
starting a monthly or bimonthly song circle that could sometimes 
bring in a guest performer for a house concert.

I'd say that I feel a sort of optimism about the future of music as 
an art form and as a creative expression for myself and others. But, 
I don't really see things getting any easier for people to be able to 
make a living as a performer. I do think you can have a reasonable 
success if you don't mind being a total gypsy and doing lots of house 
concerts and other small gigs, and then getting the occasional 
festival spot, or if you can tie into some niche market and be THE go 
to person for whatever that is.

What I don't feel optimistic about is what I see coming out in the 
commercial world from all the "you can be a star" shows. If we were 
to let the corporate world set the standards for us could you ever 
imagine a Bob Dylan or Tom Waits coming out of one of those shows? I 
guess this whole phenomena is the natural result of Karaoke.

Oh well,

Long live ART! and Creativity.

Paul Haslem
www.dulcify.ca
Ontario, Canada






At 11:30 AM 10/8/2010, you wrote:

>I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.  I make a reasonable amount of 
>money playing music - not enough to pay my mortgage, but more than 
>enough to make it worthwhile - and I am able to do so on my own 
>terms for the most part.  I play music festivals (hippie jam-band 
>festivals, for the most part), club gigs, farmers' markets, and 
>house concerts.  I'm leaning toward more house concerts these days, 
>because clubs are a lot less fun and these days less likely to be 
>financially satisfying (as guarantees disappear and the venue wants 
>a bigger share of the door, etc.).
>
>I have CDs for sale on CDBaby, amazon.com, etc., but I hardly ever 
>sell any through those channels.  The vast majority of my sales are, 
>like most musicians' these days, at the gig: after the show you 
>schmooze, sell CDs, and sign 'em.

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Hi list,

enjoying the discussion of survival ideas for musicians.
(I LOVE bandcamp.com)

Now i am wondering:
Is there a public black list for record labels, that don't deliver  
license statements?
I could contribute a few missing ones from 15 years of releases :)  
Aaaah, relieving.

Musicians are being enslaved all over the place, so i am also wondering
which labels are known to contract artists and their releases mostly  
for the purpose of keeping the
market free for already planned releases?
Which labels do you know, that still charge for artists for packaging,  
storage cost and/or
final sale of remnants of physical media?
Ha.

How about a list of publishers acquiring rights to works only for the  
purpose of increasing the number of
acquired rights, actually intentionally collecting just to sell rights  
by number/in packages whenever possible?
What about a list of publishers failing to plug acquired artists and  
their rights in money-making opportunities?
How about publishers using contract clauses still, which eventually  
turn an artist unwillingly into a ghost writer
for a head line act instead of taking care of releasing the original  
artist?

I'm loving this.

However, it really would be interesting to work the other way round:
List labels, publishers, booking agents, promoters, distributors,  
journalists etc, who have a proven record of
believing in their (signed or unsigned) artists.
I have a few for this list as well :)
(Byron Coley of WIRE magazine just gave us a review for a limited 75  
copies release on CASSETTE TAPE!)

Besides all this i can confirm, that people look for gems, not for  
generic product.
The respect level seems to rise massively as soon as one can get  
customized hand-made product, in limited editions.
Those fly off the shelves here, anythign else never worked with me.

Salud,
- - -
jayrope
http://www.kliklak.net



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Matt,

May I, in the capacity of my "day job" submit that that is ONE of the
histories of looping? There may be others, waiting to be
written...such is the historical record and its processes...

Best,

Dennis "Who does NOT play a librarian in Real Life"

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http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/



On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Matt Stevens
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> Hi Anja - all the history stuff is here
> :)=A0http://www.loopers-delight.com/history/history.html
> Any questions give us a shout
> Matt Stevens
> www.mattstevensguitar.com
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>
>
>
> On 8 Oct 2010, at 14:55, Anja Hohl wrote:
>
> I have to write a dissertation about looping. My question is about the
> beginnings of that technique. When did looping come up? Who was the firs
> loop artist? Did Fripp and Eno actually invite the Frippertronics or beca=
me
> it just famous through them?
> Thank you, Anja
>
>

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I Absolutely agree with you Kris as i told in my message Before, instead of all 
there so many people
that continue to make 'bella arte rinascimentale', 'reinassance art' and 
working hard for it, people that  concentrate to themselves 
many different skills and the live in precarius way with very few money. 
Under the ashes there are fantastic flames, maybe one day these flames will 
rise up.
So i think that many of the people in this list belongs to this type.
Must i remember to myself that i live in Florence that many years ago was the 
'mother of reinassance'
love to you all
Max  

>What can we do about this apparent decline in appreciation of the live 
>musical arts? And what is the root cause, if any, of this?  It seems today 
>that the media and music industry is "conditioning" people to appreciate 
>immediate satisfaction, e-media, canned art.  People just want to download 
>music to load on their iPODS and run off and do their own independent thing. 
>One could argue that the predecessor to this phenomenon was the advent of 
>radio.  There was a time when to listen to music you had to go to a concert 
>hall, town hall, local pub, church, or make it at home with the family. 
>Then once radio came along, families could listen to  music and never leave 
>the house...I think it was downhill from that point onward...just my 
>pessimistic view here, but that seemed like a start of a trend, moving music 
>away from community settings to more private settings, thus precluding the 
>live art element.   So, the historical progression of decline would start 
>with the radio and then move to recorded media, and then finally to 
>downloadable media.   All that is left is to reproduce live concerts with 
>holographic video in the living rooms of listeners, and we are dead in the 
>water.   How many people in the world "really" care and value listeing to a 
>live band, not in a club for dancing or drinking purposes, but a real 
>performance where the group is the center of attention and considered an 
>artistic performance?
>
>Kris
>
>


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Indeed, infact that technique that Eno introduced to Fripp, and he blithely
called Frippertronics, was infact the same technique that Terry Riley used
on DAMN.. forgotten... rainbow... curved air... something like that... and
he called it the "Time Lag Accumulator" . Which I think is a MUCH better
term for it!!!

So if you want to write about the history of Time Lag Accumulating, you nee=
d
to look further that Fripp. Stockhausen is known to have used the technique
(and disliked it I believe, for the same reasons that Eno LIKED it...) and
the BBC=B4s radiophonic workshop were also big on tape loop and feedback
experiments, although I havent heard anything with LONG ENOUGH looping to b=
e
called looping... if such a time exists... when does delay become looping
exactly?

I think its a very interesting history, but either you define your
parameters, like is sampling looping? so when does looping stop being
looping and become sampling? If you stop the loop.. and then start it again=
?
OR (which is the only real answer.. but a HUGE subject) is to include all
forms of looping, DJ, Live looping, Sampling, delay, and basically any
repetitive recorded music...

One could start with a history of artificial delay, Elvis perhaps? Buddy
Holly?

Mark






On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>wrote=
:

> Matt,
>
> May I, in the capacity of my "day job" submit that that is ONE of the
> histories of looping? There may be others, waiting to be
> written...such is the historical record and its processes...
>
> Best,
>
> Dennis "Who does NOT play a librarian in Real Life"
>
> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
> http://audiozoloft.com
> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Matt Stevens
> <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Hi Anja - all the history stuff is here
> > :) http://www.loopers-delight.com/history/history.html
> > Any questions give us a shout
> > Matt Stevens
> > www.mattstevensguitar.com
> > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8 Oct 2010, at 14:55, Anja Hohl wrote:
> >
> > I have to write a dissertation about looping. My question is about the
> > beginnings of that technique. When did looping come up? Who was the fir=
s
> > loop artist? Did Fripp and Eno actually invite the Frippertronics or
> became
> > it just famous through them?
> > Thank you, Anja
> >
> >
>
>


--=20
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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
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Indeed, infact that technique that Eno introduced to Fripp, and he blithely=
 called Frippertronics, was infact the same technique that Terry Riley used=
 on DAMN.. forgotten... rainbow... curved air... something like that... and=
 he called it the &quot;Time Lag Accumulator&quot; . Which I think is a MUC=
H better term for it!!! <br>

<br>So if you want to write about the history of Time Lag Accumulating, you=
 need to look further that Fripp. Stockhausen is known to have used the tec=
hnique (and disliked it I believe, for the same reasons that Eno LIKED it..=
.) and the BBC=B4s radiophonic workshop were also big on tape loop and feed=
back experiments, although I havent heard anything with LONG ENOUGH looping=
 to be called looping... if such a time exists... when does delay become lo=
oping exactly?<br>

<br>I think its a very interesting history, but either you define your para=
meters, like is sampling looping? so when does looping stop being looping a=
nd become sampling? If you stop the loop.. and then start it again? OR (whi=
ch is the only real answer.. but a HUGE subject) is to include all forms of=
 looping, DJ, Live looping, Sampling, delay, and basically any repetitive r=
ecorded music... <br>

<br>One could start with a history of artificial delay, Elvis perhaps? Budd=
y Holly?<br><br>Mark<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Dennis Moser <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sinsofmachaut@gmail.com">sinsofmachaut@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Matt,<br>
<br>
May I, in the capacity of my &quot;day job&quot; submit that that is ONE of=
 the<br>
histories of looping? There may be others, waiting to be<br>
written...such is the historical record and its processes...<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Dennis &quot;Who does NOT play a librarian in Real Life&quot;<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin" target=3D"_blank">http://soundclo=
ud.com/usrsbin</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://audiozoloft.com" target=3D"_blank">http://audiozoloft.com=
</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://usrsla=
shsbin.angrek.com/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Matt Stevens<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com">mattstevensguitar@b=
tinternet.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi Anja - all the history stuff is here<br>
&gt; :)=A0<a href=3D"http://www.loopers-delight.com/history/history.html" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://www.loopers-delight.com/history/history.html</a><br=
>
&gt; Any questions give us a shout<br>
&gt; Matt Stevens<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.mattstevensguitar.com" target=3D"_blank">www.mat=
tstevensguitar.com</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com">mattstevensguitar@=
btinternet.com</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 8 Oct 2010, at 14:55, Anja Hohl wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I have to write a dissertation about looping. My question is about the=
<br>
&gt; beginnings of that technique. When did looping come up? Who was the fi=
rs<br>
&gt; loop artist? Did Fripp and Eno actually invite the Frippertronics or b=
ecame<br>
&gt; it just famous through them?<br>
&gt; Thank you, Anja<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D=
"http://www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markfrancomb=
e<br>

<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br>=
<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

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You know..  a gmail account is basically FREE....

>I will be out of the office starting  10/08/2010 and will not return until
>10/18/2010.
>
>For telecom, Audio or Video issues,  contact Greg Bouffard @ 323 932 3793
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But when you're out of the office, nothings free

2010/10/8 Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>

> You know..  a gmail account is basically FREE....
>
>  I will be out of the office starting  10/08/2010 and will not return until
>> 10/18/2010.
>>
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>>
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>
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>
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>
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<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
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I will be out of the office starting =A010/08/2010 and will not return unti=
l<br>
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<br>
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mark francombe wrote:


> Stockhausen is known to have used the 
> technique 

afaik Stockhausen had a completely different technique
using just one tape deck with an actual loop of tape.

The tape heads were reordered, so instead of going
Erase>Rec>Playback like in a regular deck
they were changed to
Playback>Erase>Record.

andy

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"Another thing that happened in that period and probably the best  
thing at least from visibility and commercial side was I had the good  
fortune to get in the Mel Bay family and got a book deal in 2001 that  
led to the publishing of a book CD I authored on DADGAD. "

excellent book BTW Jim, I came across it just the other day in our  
music store.  I will recommend it to students and do-it-your-selfers  
alike.
Bill

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He doesn't appear to be using a mezrab. Is that correct?  The miserable 
mezrab as I called it, when I played sitar.
But that doesn't even look like a normal sitar. :)

Kris


----- Original Message ----- 
> here's something positive
>
> Here's my friend Chris Doddridge performing to half a
> dozen or so people.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL9wHQH0jKg
>
> Chris has no desire to play to larger audience,
> and considers his playing to be a meditation rather than
> a performance.
> He follows the ancient Dhrupad school of North Indian music,
> and has quite strict views on not playing flashy stuff to
> impress an audience.
> While he comes across as very much the traditionalist,
> Chris has his own distinctive style which often involves the re-stringing 
> and retuning of instruments to a much lower pitch.
>
> andy

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I'm still thinking about having "Leinhos, Peter is out of the office"
T-shirts made...Another great way to spot a fellow looper.

-- 
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On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Petri Lahtinen <aikuinen@gmail.com> wrote:

> But when you're out of the office, nothings free
>
> 2010/10/8 Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
>
> You know..  a gmail account is basically FREE....
>>
>> I will be out of the office starting  10/08/2010 and will not return until
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<div>I&#39;m still thinking about having=A0&quot;Leinhos, Peter is out of t=
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<div>=A0<br>-- <br>Clint E. Allen<br>* Technology Consultant<br>* Sound Eng=
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Petri Lahtinen <=
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om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/10/8 Charles Zwicky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
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l account is basically FREE....<br><br>
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thats right actually...



On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:10 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
> mark francombe wrote:
>
>
>  Stockhausen is known to have used the technique
>>
>
> afaik Stockhausen had a completely different technique
> using just one tape deck with an actual loop of tape.
>
> The tape heads were reordered, so instead of going
> Erase>Rec>Playback like in a regular deck
> they were changed to
> Playback>Erase>Record.
>
> andy
>
>


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thats right actually... <br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, =
Oct 8, 2010 at 11:10 PM, andy butler <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
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<br>
<br>
mark francombe wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Stockhausen is known to have used the technique <br>
</blockquote>
<br>
afaik Stockhausen had a completely different technique<br>
using just one tape deck with an actual loop of tape.<br>
<br>
The tape heads were reordered, so instead of going<br>
Erase&gt;Rec&gt;Playback like in a regular deck<br>
they were changed to<br>
Playback&gt;Erase&gt;Record.<br><font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
andy<br>
<br>
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On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Clint Allen <clint.allen@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm still thinking about having "Leinhos, Peter is out of the office"
> T-shirts made...Another great way to spot a fellow looper.
>
>

Im always thinking about   contacting Greg Bouffard with my telecom, Audio
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  On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Clint Allen <clint.allen@gmail.com> wrote:

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It's a ways off yet . . . but start saving you pennies nickels and dimes now.

Ronin USA Tour dates in 2011:

February 23 - Oakland,CA - Yoshis

February 25 - Portland, OR - PDX JAZZ FESTIVAL

February 26 - Knoxville, TN

February 27 - New York, NY - (Highline) TBD

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Now that is one of the funniest things I've heard in a looooooong time!

I'll buy one

Paul Haslem
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At 05:55 PM 10/8/2010, you wrote:
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I play both synth and guitar but most guitar-FX floor models have mono
inputs, which is really strange because many keyboard players use
guitar stompboxes and fx units. It would be great if some company
would release a stereo guitar FX unit with a stereo delay/looper of
30-40 seconds.
-- 
Sjaak Overgaauw
http://premonitionfactory.com/
http://livelooping.be/

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Just a heads up for any potential rack mount music PC builders. Newegg
has a server case on sale today for $59 free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?nm_mc=3DAFC-TechBargains&cm_mmc=
=3DAFC-TechBargains-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&Item=3DN82E16811147154
I'm thinking about it. . .

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Sylvain Poitras
<sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the info, James. =A0I've been thinking about this for a while
> and this may give me the final push to finally get it done.
> Sylvain
>
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:52 AM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>> sure.=A0 here goes:
>>
>> COMPUTER
>>
>> case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811165083
>> motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16813=
121357
>> processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E1681911=
5041
>> ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16820134582
>> hd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16822136098
>> cd drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16827140=
042
>>
>> i bought a power supply locally...forgot to order at the time...but some=
 $50
>> unit from best buy works just fine.=A0 search "power supply 500w" and it=
'll
>> pull up what you need.
>>
>> that's it for the basic computer components.=A0 all of that crap just ki=
nda
>> plugs together.=A0 you might want a 3.5" drive for drivers/software that=
 come
>> only in that format...i got an external usb off craigslist and i used it
>> once just to load software.=A0 you could always but an internal multi-fo=
rmat
>> card reader/3.5" drive/sandwich press but i opted against as it seemed
>> superfluous.
>>
>> check out that hp monitor i mentioned: TFT5600.=A0 it's 1u high and slid=
es in
>> and out...but you gotta get it with the sliding rack rails, which it is
>> normally sold with.=A0 trackball kinda blows so i have a usb mouse sitti=
ng on
>> some spare keyboard real estate.
>>
>> this all makes for a 4u setup, which will fit in this:
>> http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddetail.php?f=3Dsku_rack_space=
_units-4-80&id=3D125&o=3D&offset=3D1&c=3D80&s=3D80
>>
>> i'm sure there are others, but the server case is deep and you'll need a
>> rack case that will afford you the extra room.=A0 plus, you can put your
>> interfaces in the rear as you'll have some spare room.
>>
>> INSTRUMENT/CONTROL INTERFACE
>>
>> my keyboard and percussion pad are both usb, which the motherboard alrea=
dy
>> accommodates amply.=A0 my foot controller is midi so i have an m-audio 2=
x2 usb
>> interface that works great for getting midi in and out of the computer.
>> midi output distribution (to various processors and hardware synths) is
>> handled by a midi solutions thru box.
>>
>> AUDIO INTERFACE
>>
>> here's where you can spend a lot or a little.=A0 i initially spent a lit=
tle
>> and bought an m-audio delta 66 (4 i/o, spdif i/o) and it sounded pretty
>> crappy.=A0 all my soft synths sounded thin and two-dimensional.=A0 per b=
oysen
>> (from this list) suggested checking out rme.=A0 here again, very expensi=
ve new
>> but second hand is very affordable.=A0 the converters are great...much b=
etter
>> fidelity and now all my thin soft synths sound SO much better.=A0 so my =
advice
>> is to buy something worth buying.=A0 you don't have to spend 3 grand on =
the
>> baddest thing out there, but there are some high-end-of-the-mid-range gu=
ys
>> out there that will do the job very well.=A0 lynx, rme, etc...you'll nee=
d to
>> look around and of course consider what's enough for your personal needs=
.
>> as well, you can go pci, firewire or usb.=A0 i prefer pci, but that's ju=
st
>> me.=A0 i picked up an rme multiface for 200 bucks and couldn't be happie=
r.
>>
>> SOFTWARE
>>
>> super-subjective, but just so you know:
>>
>> i have a non-registered (but legit) copy of xp.=A0 service pack 3, i
>> think...anyhow, last major update i reckon.=A0 works great.=A0 seems mos=
t
>> everything is written with xp in mind.=A0 i mean EVERYBODY supports it.=
=A0 i run
>> mobius (among other things) inside plogue bidule.=A0 it's a modular grap=
hic
>> host that actually has a lot under the hood if you need it.=A0 but on th=
e
>> surface you just click and drag virtual cables (audio, midi, etc.) from
>> inputs to outputs and that's it.=A0 can be very quick and easy if you're=
 just
>> hustling trying new shit.=A0 i love it.
>>
>> MISCELLANY
>>
>> i have a few old analog synths.=A0 one cool perk is that people have wri=
tten
>> software editors for them.=A0 so...it's sort of the best of both worlds:
>> analog fidelity and digital/graphical manipulation.=A0 i also have a usb
>> wireless card...good for downloading software.=A0 in hindsight, i would =
have
>> gone with an internal wireless carb but no big deal.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Sylvain Poitras
>> <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey James,
>>> Can you give us your parts list for that rack pc?
>>> Sylvain
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:29 AM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > i built my own rackmount pc.=A0 cost me about 700 bucks and everythin=
g
>>> > came
>>> > from newegg.com=A0 it's 3u high and skb makes a deep shock rack that =
will
>>> > accommodate server cases.=A0 for the money it's far more powerful tha=
n
>>> > anything you could buy off the shelf.=A0 plenty of memory, ram, proce=
ssor
>>> > is
>>> > plenty fast, etc.=A0 and i'm not a computer-y person, so don't be
>>> > dissuaded if
>>> > you feel that you lack the requisite know-how.=A0 it's pretty much
>>> > bone-simple.
>>> >
>>> > touch screens are dope and all but hp makes a slide-out keyboard/moni=
tor
>>> > combo that works great.=A0 i'm typing on it right now, actually.=A0 g=
oogle
>>> > "TFT5600" and see what comes up.=A0 i paid 30 bucks for mine on
>>> > ebay...apparently they're absurdly expensive new and absurdly cheap w=
hen
>>> > bought used.=A0 i use bidule and on anything but the simplest of pres=
ets
>>> > i'm
>>> > needing all the screen i can get.=A0 a tiny touch screen would be
>>> > infuriating.
>>> >
>>> > only things left are a good pci audio interface and midi i/o and you'=
re
>>> > all
>>> > set.
>>> >
>>> > if anybody is seriously considering something similar, feel free to
>>> > email me
>>> > off (or on, i suppose) for gory details.
>>> >
>>> > - jim
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I've toyed with the idea of building a rack mount music computer. I
>>> >> especially like the idea of built-in touchscreen, so you wouldn't ne=
ed
>>> >> to
>>> >> have a keyboard and monitor on stage. Here's an example:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811321006&Tp=
k=3DRPC-919T
>>> >>
>>> >> What's kept me from doing it is that most of the rack mount server
>>> >> cases
>>> >> are too deep for the typical musicians 19" flight case, and while it
>>> >> would
>>> >> be portable, it would be awkward and heavy to carry. Also, the costs
>>> >> start
>>> >> to add up. A laptop seems much more cost effective, unless you alrea=
dy
>>> >> have
>>> >> a good desktop and just want to transfer it to a new case. The
>>> >> alienware
>>> >> M11x is slightly larger than a netbook and costs under $1000. It cou=
ld
>>> >> make
>>> >> a very portable and unobtrusive music laptop.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/alienware-m11x/pd.aspx?refi=
d=3Dalienware-m11x&cs=3D19&s=3Ddhs
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:58 AM, G <gigs@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>> >>> Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit
>>> >>> From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
>>> >>> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:10:53 +0200
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >Jeff Larson said (with regard to the Altium NanoBoard):
>>> >>> >> I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them fo=
r
>>> >>> >> me
>>> >>> >> boils down to the operating system. =A0Besides the big things li=
ke
>>> >>> >> how
>>> >>> >> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was
>>> >>> >> also
>>> >>> >> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a f=
ile
>>> >>> >> system.
>>> >>> 8<
>>> >>> >> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and =
Mac
>>> >>> >> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> 8<
>>> >>> >I just had this idea because a) this hardware has everything you'd
>>> >>> > need,
>>> >>> >b) the "you can't fit M=F6bius into a rack unit" topic had come up=
 just
>>> >>> >recently and c) the fact that I assume that something like M=F6biu=
s
>>> >>> > (due
>>> >>> >to its eight parallel engines and a state-machine-oriented logic)
>>> >>> > really
>>> >>> >lends itself to be implemented on a FPGA.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >But there was a reason I neded my originall message with a
>>> >>> >smileyface...I perfectly understand that you don't want to get int=
o
>>> >>> > yet
>>> >>> >another version to support.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >Yours,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Rainer
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi
>>> >>> Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop or pc into a
>>> >>> rack
>>> >>> is something I'm pondering. =A0I missed the earlier thread.
>>> >>> In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers are housed in 19"
>>> >>> racks.
>>> >>> I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC case installing an adequa=
te
>>> >>> computer into it. =A0I've yet to look into the keyboard/mouse/monit=
or.
>>> >>> -- G.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Art Simon
>>> >> simart@gmail.com
>>> >> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



--=20
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/artsimon

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?From the looks of it you'd have to probably replace the fans with the 
silent variety.  Cool though!

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Art Simon" <simart@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 1:06 AM
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
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> Just a heads up for any potential rack mount music PC builders. Newegg
> has a server case on sale today for $59 free shipping.
> http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?nm_mc=AFC-TechBargains&cm_mmc=AFC-TechBargains-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&Item=N82E16811147154
> I'm thinking about it. . .
>
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Sylvain Poitras
> <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the info, James.  I've been thinking about this for a while
>> and this may give me the final push to finally get it done.
>> Sylvain
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:52 AM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> sure.  here goes:
>>>
>>> COMPUTER
>>>
>>> case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811165083
>>> motherboard: 
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121357
>>> processor: 
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041
>>> ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134582
>>> hd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136098
>>> cd drive: 
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827140042
>>>
>>> i bought a power supply locally...forgot to order at the time...but some 
>>> $50
>>> unit from best buy works just fine.  search "power supply 500w" and 
>>> it'll
>>> pull up what you need.
>>>
>>> that's it for the basic computer components.  all of that crap just 
>>> kinda
>>> plugs together.  you might want a 3.5" drive for drivers/software that 
>>> come
>>> only in that format...i got an external usb off craigslist and i used it
>>> once just to load software.  you could always but an internal 
>>> multi-format
>>> card reader/3.5" drive/sandwich press but i opted against as it seemed
>>> superfluous.
>>>
>>> check out that hp monitor i mentioned: TFT5600.  it's 1u high and slides 
>>> in
>>> and out...but you gotta get it with the sliding rack rails, which it is
>>> normally sold with.  trackball kinda blows so i have a usb mouse sitting 
>>> on
>>> some spare keyboard real estate.
>>>
>>> this all makes for a 4u setup, which will fit in this:
>>> http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddetail.php?f=sku_rack_space_units-4-80&id=125&o=&offset=1&c=80&s=80
>>>
>>> i'm sure there are others, but the server case is deep and you'll need a
>>> rack case that will afford you the extra room.  plus, you can put your
>>> interfaces in the rear as you'll have some spare room.
>>>
>>> INSTRUMENT/CONTROL INTERFACE
>>>
>>> my keyboard and percussion pad are both usb, which the motherboard 
>>> already
>>> accommodates amply.  my foot controller is midi so i have an m-audio 2x2 
>>> usb
>>> interface that works great for getting midi in and out of the computer.
>>> midi output distribution (to various processors and hardware synths) is
>>> handled by a midi solutions thru box.
>>>
>>> AUDIO INTERFACE
>>>
>>> here's where you can spend a lot or a little.  i initially spent a 
>>> little
>>> and bought an m-audio delta 66 (4 i/o, spdif i/o) and it sounded pretty
>>> crappy.  all my soft synths sounded thin and two-dimensional.  per 
>>> boysen
>>> (from this list) suggested checking out rme.  here again, very expensive 
>>> new
>>> but second hand is very affordable.  the converters are great...much 
>>> better
>>> fidelity and now all my thin soft synths sound SO much better.  so my 
>>> advice
>>> is to buy something worth buying.  you don't have to spend 3 grand on 
>>> the
>>> baddest thing out there, but there are some high-end-of-the-mid-range 
>>> guys
>>> out there that will do the job very well.  lynx, rme, etc...you'll need 
>>> to
>>> look around and of course consider what's enough for your personal 
>>> needs.
>>> as well, you can go pci, firewire or usb.  i prefer pci, but that's just
>>> me.  i picked up an rme multiface for 200 bucks and couldn't be happier.
>>>
>>> SOFTWARE
>>>
>>> super-subjective, but just so you know:
>>>
>>> i have a non-registered (but legit) copy of xp.  service pack 3, i
>>> think...anyhow, last major update i reckon.  works great.  seems most
>>> everything is written with xp in mind.  i mean EVERYBODY supports it.  i 
>>> run
>>> mobius (among other things) inside plogue bidule.  it's a modular 
>>> graphic
>>> host that actually has a lot under the hood if you need it.  but on the
>>> surface you just click and drag virtual cables (audio, midi, etc.) from
>>> inputs to outputs and that's it.  can be very quick and easy if you're 
>>> just
>>> hustling trying new shit.  i love it.
>>>
>>> MISCELLANY
>>>
>>> i have a few old analog synths.  one cool perk is that people have 
>>> written
>>> software editors for them.  so...it's sort of the best of both worlds:
>>> analog fidelity and digital/graphical manipulation.  i also have a usb
>>> wireless card...good for downloading software.  in hindsight, i would 
>>> have
>>> gone with an internal wireless carb but no big deal.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Sylvain Poitras
>>> <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey James,
>>>> Can you give us your parts list for that rack pc?
>>>> Sylvain
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:29 AM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > i built my own rackmount pc.  cost me about 700 bucks and everything
>>>> > came
>>>> > from newegg.com  it's 3u high and skb makes a deep shock rack that 
>>>> > will
>>>> > accommodate server cases.  for the money it's far more powerful than
>>>> > anything you could buy off the shelf.  plenty of memory, ram, 
>>>> > processor
>>>> > is
>>>> > plenty fast, etc.  and i'm not a computer-y person, so don't be
>>>> > dissuaded if
>>>> > you feel that you lack the requisite know-how.  it's pretty much
>>>> > bone-simple.
>>>> >
>>>> > touch screens are dope and all but hp makes a slide-out 
>>>> > keyboard/monitor
>>>> > combo that works great.  i'm typing on it right now, actually. 
>>>> > google
>>>> > "TFT5600" and see what comes up.  i paid 30 bucks for mine on
>>>> > ebay...apparently they're absurdly expensive new and absurdly cheap 
>>>> > when
>>>> > bought used.  i use bidule and on anything but the simplest of 
>>>> > presets
>>>> > i'm
>>>> > needing all the screen i can get.  a tiny touch screen would be
>>>> > infuriating.
>>>> >
>>>> > only things left are a good pci audio interface and midi i/o and 
>>>> > you're
>>>> > all
>>>> > set.
>>>> >
>>>> > if anybody is seriously considering something similar, feel free to
>>>> > email me
>>>> > off (or on, i suppose) for gory details.
>>>> >
>>>> > - jim
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I've toyed with the idea of building a rack mount music computer. I
>>>> >> especially like the idea of built-in touchscreen, so you wouldn't 
>>>> >> need
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> have a keyboard and monitor on stage. Here's an example:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811321006&Tpk=RPC-919T
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What's kept me from doing it is that most of the rack mount server
>>>> >> cases
>>>> >> are too deep for the typical musicians 19" flight case, and while it
>>>> >> would
>>>> >> be portable, it would be awkward and heavy to carry. Also, the costs
>>>> >> start
>>>> >> to add up. A laptop seems much more cost effective, unless you 
>>>> >> already
>>>> >> have
>>>> >> a good desktop and just want to transfer it to a new case. The
>>>> >> alienware
>>>> >> M11x is slightly larger than a netbook and costs under $1000. It 
>>>> >> could
>>>> >> make
>>>> >> a very portable and unobtrusive music laptop.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/alienware-m11x/pd.aspx?refid=alienware-m11x&cs=19&s=dhs
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:58 AM, G <gigs@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>> >>> Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit
>>>> >>> From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
>>>> >>> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:10:53 +0200
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >Jeff Larson said (with regard to the Altium NanoBoard):
>>>> >>> >> I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them 
>>>> >>> >> for
>>>> >>> >> me
>>>> >>> >> boils down to the operating system.  Besides the big things like
>>>> >>> >> how
>>>> >>> >> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was
>>>> >>> >> also
>>>> >>> >> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a 
>>>> >>> >> file
>>>> >>> >> system.
>>>> >>> 8<
>>>> >>> >> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and 
>>>> >>> >> Mac
>>>> >>> >> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen.
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> 8<
>>>> >>> >I just had this idea because a) this hardware has everything you'd
>>>> >>> > need,
>>>> >>> >b) the "you can't fit Möbius into a rack unit" topic had come up 
>>>> >>> >just
>>>> >>> >recently and c) the fact that I assume that something like Möbius
>>>> >>> > (due
>>>> >>> >to its eight parallel engines and a state-machine-oriented logic)
>>>> >>> > really
>>>> >>> >lends itself to be implemented on a FPGA.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >But there was a reason I neded my originall message with a
>>>> >>> >smileyface...I perfectly understand that you don't want to get 
>>>> >>> >into
>>>> >>> > yet
>>>> >>> >another version to support.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >Yours,
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >          Rainer
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hi
>>>> >>> Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop or pc into a
>>>> >>> rack
>>>> >>> is something I'm pondering.  I missed the earlier thread.
>>>> >>> In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers are housed in 19"
>>>> >>> racks.
>>>> >>> I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC case installing an 
>>>> >>> adequate
>>>> >>> computer into it.  I've yet to look into the 
>>>> >>> keyboard/mouse/monitor.
>>>> >>> -- G.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Art Simon
>>>> >> simart@gmail.com
>>>> >> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Art Simon
> simart@gmail.com
> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
> 

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  Ted wrote:
.....
Nik Bartsch's Ronin rare US tour dates

February 23 - Oakland,CA - Yoshis

February 25 - Portland, OR - PDX JAZZ FESTIVAL

February 26 - Knoxville, TN

February 27 - New York, NY - (Highline) TBD



Oh, thanks for pointing this out, Ted.      I'm sooooo there!!!

I was fortunate to see them on their famous Montags gig in Zurich
with our own Berhnard Wagner doing a wonderful opening set.

This is my favorite jazz/experimental/new instrumental band in the world
currently. No hyperbole..........just fact there.

They don't loop, per se, but they are so into cyclical parts that are
played in a very, very disciplined and accurate way,  mixing
odd time signatures and polyrhythmic playing.

Imagine Steve Reich meets any of the great ECM bands,
except that pigeonholes them too much.

Every member of this ensemble is an amazing musician.
They all are really exploiting their individual instruments to get
traditional and highly non-traditional sounds out of them.

I can't say enough good things about them.

Don't miss them..............they never come to the US.
I'll see you there at both shows if they have them.

yours,   Rick Walker

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Bill wow, thank you.  That means a lot.  It was a long path getting DADGAD
Encyclopedia out.  When I got the deal I thought wow one more book on
DADGAD, is it really needed but 184 pages later I managed to say something
about it from my experiences and influences.  MB has done a good job keepin=
g
it on the shelves and it's nice to hear when it turns up in a local store.
Greatly appreciate your words and referrals.

Can't wait for the Fest, really looking fwd to seeing (hearing) you and Ric=
k
and everyone.

Jim

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:21 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>wrot=
e:

> "Another thing that happened in that period and probably the best thing a=
t
> least from visibility and commercial side was I had the good fortune to g=
et
> in the Mel Bay family and got a book deal in 2001 that led to the publish=
ing
> of a book CD I authored on DADGAD. "
>
> excellent book BTW Jim, I came across it just the other day in our music
> store.  I will recommend it to students and do-it-your-selfers alike.
> Bill
>
>


--=20
>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &
Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
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Bill wow, thank you.=A0 That means a lot.=A0 It was a long path getting DAD=
GAD Encyclopedia out.=A0 When I got the deal I thought wow one more book on=
 DADGAD, is it really needed but 184 pages later I managed to say something=
 about it from my experiences and influences.=A0 MB has done a good job kee=
ping it on the shelves and it&#39;s nice to hear when it turns up in a loca=
l store.=A0 Greatly appreciate your words and referrals.=A0 <br>
<br>Can&#39;t wait for the Fest, really looking fwd to seeing (hearing) you=
 and Rick and everyone.<br><br>Jim<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri=
, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:21 PM, William Walker <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:billwalker@baymoon.com">billwalker@baymoon.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"im"=
>&quot;Another thing that happened in that period and probably the best thi=
ng at least from visibility and commercial side was I had the good fortune =
to get in the Mel Bay family and got a book deal in 2001 that led to the pu=
blishing of a book CD I authored on DADGAD. &quot;<br>

<br></div>
excellent book BTW Jim, I came across it just the other day in our music st=
ore. =A0I will recommend it to students and do-it-your-selfers alike.<br>
Bill<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>From Brooklyn To Glindr=
an, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 P=
roceeds<br>from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com">jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandca=
mp.com</a>.<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br=
><a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</=
a><br><a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com">woodandwiremusic.wo=
rdpress.com</a><br>


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i hope everyone is eagerly awaiting to buy  my one page tome on the girthin=
ess and playability of AEAC#EA  tuning that i use to great advantage for my=
 Drones. that lo A is @ 55 hz.
seeyall at the fest
http://stanosaur.com/


-----Original Message-----

From: Jim Goodin=20

Sent: Oct 8, 2010 8:02 PM

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Subject: Re: making money off your music



Bill wow, thank you.  That means a lot.  It was a long path getting DADGAD =
Encyclopedia out.  When I got the deal I thought wow one more book on DADGA=
D, is it really needed but 184 pages later I managed to say something about=
 it from my experiences and influences.  MB has done a good job keeping it =
on the shelves and it's nice to hear when it turns up in a local store.  Gr=
eatly appreciate your words and referrals. =20


Can't wait for the Fest, really looking fwd to seeing (hearing) you and Ric=
k and everyone.

Jim

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:21 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wro=
te:

"Another thing that happened in that period and probably the best thing at =
least from visibility and commercial side was I had the good fortune to get=
 in the Mel Bay family and got a book deal in 2001 that led to the publishi=
ng of a book CD I authored on DADGAD. "




excellent book BTW Jim, I came across it just the other day in our music st=
ore.  I will recommend it to students and do-it-your-selfers alike.

Bill






--=20
>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & =
Peter Th=C3=B6rn.  Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.  jimgoodinpeterth=
orn.bandcamp.com.


www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com

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Stan that's rrrrich!  Love the Csharp in there, sounds country.  Looking
forward to seeing you in a few days and can't wait for Mr Duke to experienc=
e
your drones that shake Santa Cruz

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:35 PM, <stanitarium@earthlink.net> wrote:

> i hope everyone is eagerly awaiting to buy  my one page tome on the
> girthiness and playability of AEAC#EA  tuning that i use to great advanta=
ge
> for my Drones. that lo A is @ 55 hz.
> seeyall at the fest
> http://stanosaur.com/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Jim Goodin
>
> Sent: Oct 8, 2010 8:02 PM
>
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> Subject: Re: making money off your music
>
>
>
> Bill wow, thank you.  That means a lot.  It was a long path getting DADGA=
D
> Encyclopedia out.  When I got the deal I thought wow one more book on
> DADGAD, is it really needed but 184 pages later I managed to say somethin=
g
> about it from my experiences and influences.  MB has done a good job keep=
ing
> it on the shelves and it's nice to hear when it turns up in a local store=
.
>  Greatly appreciate your words and referrals.
>
>
> Can't wait for the Fest, really looking fwd to seeing (hearing) you and
> Rick and everyone.
>
> Jim
>
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:21 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
> wrote:
>
> "Another thing that happened in that period and probably the best thing a=
t
> least from visibility and commercial side was I had the good fortune to g=
et
> in the Mel Bay family and got a book deal in 2001 that led to the publish=
ing
> of a book CD I authored on DADGAD. "
>
>
>
>
> excellent book BTW Jim, I came across it just the other day in our music
> store.  I will recommend it to students and do-it-your-selfers alike.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin =
&
> Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
> from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
> jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.
>
>
> www.jimgoodinmusic.com
> www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com
>
>


--=20
>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &
Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com

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Stan that&#39;s rrrrich!=A0 Love the Csharp in there, sounds country.=A0 Lo=
oking forward to seeing you in a few days and can&#39;t wait for Mr Duke to=
 experience your drones that shake Santa Cruz<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:35 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
tanitarium@earthlink.net">stanitarium@earthlink.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; bor=
der-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
i hope everyone is eagerly awaiting to buy =A0my one page tome on the girth=
iness and playability of AEAC#EA =A0tuning that i use to great advantage fo=
r my Drones. that lo A is @ 55 hz.<br>
seeyall at the fest<br>
<a href=3D"http://stanosaur.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://stanosaur.com/</=
a><br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
<br>
From: Jim Goodin<br>
<br>
Sent: Oct 8, 2010 8:02 PM<br>
<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@=
loopers-delight.com</a><br>
<br>
Subject: Re: making money off your music<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">Bill wow, thank you. =A0That means =
a lot. =A0It was a long path getting DADGAD Encyclopedia out. =A0When I got=
 the deal I thought wow one more book on DADGAD, is it really needed but 18=
4 pages later I managed to say something about it from my experiences and i=
nfluences. =A0MB has done a good job keeping it on the shelves and it&#39;s=
 nice to hear when it turns up in a local store. =A0Greatly appreciate your=
 words and referrals.<br>

<br>
<br>
Can&#39;t wait for the Fest, really looking fwd to seeing (hearing) you and=
 Rick and everyone.<br>
<br>
Jim<br>
<br>
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:21 PM, William Walker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:billwa=
lker@baymoon.com">billwalker@baymoon.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&quot;Another thing that happened in that period and probably the best thin=
g at least from visibility and commercial side was I had the good fortune t=
o get in the Mel Bay family and got a book deal in 2001 that led to the pub=
lishing of a book CD I authored on DADGAD. &quot;<br>

<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
excellent book BTW Jim, I came across it just the other day in our music st=
ore. =A0I will recommend it to students and do-it-your-selfers alike.<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &a=
mp; Peter Th=F6rn. =A0Proceeds<br>
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. =A0<a href=3D"htt=
p://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com" target=3D"_blank">jimgoodinpeterthorn=
.bandcamp.com</a>.<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.jimgoodinmu=
sic.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.chinapa=
intingmusic.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com" target=3D"_blank">woodand=
wiremusic.wordpress.com</a><br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>From Brookl=
yn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter T=
h=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds<br>from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF Internati=
onal.=A0 <a href=3D"http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com">jimgoodinpeter=
thorn.bandcamp.com</a>.<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br=
><a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</=
a><br><a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com">woodandwiremusic.wo=
rdpress.com</a><br>


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Right you are Jim, I can hardly wait to experience Stanosaur! I saw you =
last year Stan on the Ustream broadcast and loved it but i knew then =
that what you do must be heard (felt) live in person :)

peace,

j
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jim Goodin=20
  To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 11:48 PM
  Subject: Re: making money off your music


  Stan that's rrrrich!  Love the Csharp in there, sounds country.  =
Looking forward to seeing you in a few days and can't wait for Mr Duke =
to experience your drones that shake Santa Cruz


  On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:35 PM, <stanitarium@earthlink.net> wrote:

    i hope everyone is eagerly awaiting to buy  my one page tome on the =
girthiness and playability of AEAC#EA  tuning that i use to great =
advantage for my Drones. that lo A is @ 55 hz.
    seeyall at the fest
    http://stanosaur.com/



    -----Original Message-----

    From: Jim Goodin

    Sent: Oct 8, 2010 8:02 PM

    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

    Subject: Re: making money off your music




    Bill wow, thank you.  That means a lot.  It was a long path getting =
DADGAD Encyclopedia out.  When I got the deal I thought wow one more =
book on DADGAD, is it really needed but 184 pages later I managed to say =
something about it from my experiences and influences.  MB has done a =
good job keeping it on the shelves and it's nice to hear when it turns =
up in a local store.  Greatly appreciate your words and referrals.


    Can't wait for the Fest, really looking fwd to seeing (hearing) you =
and Rick and everyone.

    Jim

    On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:21 PM, William Walker =
<billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

    "Another thing that happened in that period and probably the best =
thing at least from visibility and commercial side was I had the good =
fortune to get in the Mel Bay family and got a book deal in 2001 that =
led to the publishing of a book CD I authored on DADGAD. "




    excellent book BTW Jim, I came across it just the other day in our =
music store.  I will recommend it to students and do-it-your-selfers =
alike.

    Bill






    --
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Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
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jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.


    www.jimgoodinmusic.com
    www.chinapaintingmusic.com
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Not many people know this but I invented looping by placing a piece of card=
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It was only much later that I discovered that other people had also discove=
red it using other means =3B-)

Peace

G

From: mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Sat=2C 9 Oct 2010 00:40:05 +0200
Subject: Re: Fripp and Eno
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

thats right actually...=20



On Fri=2C Oct 8=2C 2010 at 11:10 PM=2C andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>=
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mark francombe wrote:






Stockhausen is known to have used the technique=20




afaik Stockhausen had a completely different technique

using just one tape deck with an actual loop of tape.



The tape heads were reordered=2C so instead of going

Erase>Rec>Playback like in a regular deck

they were changed to

Playback>Erase>Record.



andy





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Not many people know this but I invented looping by placing a piece of card=
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I wonder if the first record player, tin can recording device or whatever, carved one groove at the same radius the first time it was tested.  Like, they didn't think to make it a spiral?

t
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  Not many people know this but I invented looping by placing a piece of cardboard over the erase head of a WEM copicat tape delay unit.
  It was only much later that I discovered that other people had also discovered it using other means ;-)

  Peace

  G


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  From: mark@markfrancombe.com
  Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 00:40:05 +0200
  Subject: Re: Fripp and Eno
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

  thats right actually... 




  On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:10 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:



    mark francombe wrote:



      Stockhausen is known to have used the technique 


    afaik Stockhausen had a completely different technique
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    The tape heads were reordered, so instead of going
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    they were changed to
    Playback>Erase>Record.

    andy





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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I wonder if the first record player, tin can recording 
device or whatever, carved one groove at the same radius the first time it was 
tested.&nbsp; Like, they didn't think to make it a spiral?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>t</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=buddhamachine@live.co.uk 
  href="mailto:buddhamachine@live.co.uk">Gareth Whittock</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  title=loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com 
  href="mailto:loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com">loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 08, 2010 10:10 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Fripp and Eno</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Not many people know this but I invented looping by placing a 
  piece of cardboard over the erase head of a WEM copicat tape delay unit.<BR>It 
  was only much later that I discovered that other people had also discovered it 
  using other means ;-)<BR><BR>Peace<BR><BR>G<BR><BR>
  <HR id=stopSpelling>
  From: <A 
  href="mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com">mark@markfrancombe.com</A><BR>Date: Sat, 
  9 Oct 2010 00:40:05 +0200<BR>Subject: Re: Fripp and Eno<BR>To: <A 
  href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A><BR><BR>thats 
  right actually... <BR><BR><BR><BR>
  <DIV class=ecxgmail_quote>On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:10 PM, andy butler <SPAN 
  dir=ltr>&lt;<A 
  href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</A>&gt;</SPAN> 
  wrote:<BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=ecxgmail_quote><BR><BR>mark 
    francombe wrote:<BR><BR><BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=ecxgmail_quote>Stockhausen is 
      known to have used the technique <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>afaik Stockhausen had 
    a completely different technique<BR>using just one tape deck with an actual 
    loop of tape.<BR><BR>The tape heads were reordered, so instead of 
    going<BR>Erase&gt;Rec&gt;Playback like in a regular deck<BR>they were 
    changed to<BR>Playback&gt;Erase&gt;Record.<BR><FONT 
    color=#888888><BR>andy<BR><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR 
  clear=all><BR>-- <BR>mark francombe<BR><A href="http://www.markfrancombe.com" 
  target=_blank>www.markfrancombe.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.ordoabkhao.com" 
  target=_blank>www.ordoabkhao.com</A><BR>twitter @markfrancombe<BR><A 
  href="http://vimeo.com/user825094" 
  target=_blank>http://vimeo.com/user825094</A><BR><A href="http://www.looop.no" 
  target=_blank>http://www.looop.no</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

--Boundary_(ID_9cEcvwXOeQZoSeskdEBzNQ)--

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are there any meetings of musicians (on stage) at y2k?

Chinapainting and  IVAN KAPEK & VISLAV LABOSH and Third Wave are ready =
groups...

so will we hear synced loops and loopers enough?

hardly any festival has that many solo acts...

Jon Wagner and I started syncing his Repeater with my EDP at Loopstock
two years ago I had the great pleasure to try with Arild Anderson (I had =
screwed up sync in my then pretty new Echoloop plugin)
this time its Tim Crowe with whom I played in several places in 2002... =
his beats really require sync!

courage and give it a try
its so much more fun!

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Subject: Re: OT- NIK BARTSCH'S RONIN
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Saw them live in Perugia last july:......an amazing band playing amazing mus=
ic.
 Strongly raccomended !

Fabio



Il giorno 08/ott/2010, alle ore 18:15, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> ha s=
critto:

> Ted wrote:
> .....
> Nik Bartsch's Ronin rare US tour dates
>=20
> February 23 - Oakland,CA - Yoshis
>=20
> February 25 - Portland, OR - PDX JAZZ FESTIVAL
>=20
> February 26 - Knoxville, TN
>=20
> February 27 - New York, NY - (Highline) TBD
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Oh, thanks for pointing this out, Ted.      I'm sooooo there!!!
>=20
> I was fortunate to see them on their famous Montags gig in Zurich
> with our own Berhnard Wagner doing a wonderful opening set.
>=20
> This is my favorite jazz/experimental/new instrumental band in the world
> currently. No hyperbole..........just fact there.
>=20
> They don't loop, per se, but they are so into cyclical parts that are
> played in a very, very disciplined and accurate way,  mixing
> odd time signatures and polyrhythmic playing.
>=20
> Imagine Steve Reich meets any of the great ECM bands,
> except that pigeonholes them too much.
>=20
> Every member of this ensemble is an amazing musician.
> They all are really exploiting their individual instruments to get
> traditional and highly non-traditional sounds out of them.
>=20
> I can't say enough good things about them.
>=20
> Don't miss them..............they never come to the US.
> I'll see you there at both shows if they have them.
>=20
> yours,   Rick Walker
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Unlikely, as the bearing on which the drum turned
was also the threaded bolt which created the helix. 

Toby G wrote:
> I wonder if the first record player, tin can recording device or 
> whatever, carved one groove at the same radius the first time it was 
> tested.  Like, they didn't think to make it a spiral?
>  

I also heard of a Stockhausen device which was a glass
disc with the waveform printed on it. It would have been
rotated at variable speed, and the waveform read optically
like the soundtrack of an old style movie film.
...but I don't have the reference to check...the Norwich library 
burned down a few years back.


andy

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Electro Harmonix Stereo Memory Man
32s loop, feedback adjustable while overdubbing.
(the clue is in the name)

andy butler

Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
> I play both synth and guitar but most guitar-FX floor models have mono
> inputs, which is really strange because many keyboard players use
> guitar stompboxes and fx units. It would be great if some company
> would release a stereo guitar FX unit with a stereo delay/looper of
> 30-40 seconds.

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Hi Kris,
that's quite right, the instrument is commonly called
a Rudra Vina, though Chris tells me that "Rudra Been"
is more appropriate.
Been players don't use a mezrab(mizrab?), so he plays with his
fingers. His fingernails are short apart from on the 4th finger
which he often uses for a brighter sound on the drone strings.  

Kris Hartung wrote:
> He doesn't appear to be using a mezrab. Is that correct?  The miserable 
> mezrab as I called it, when I played sitar.
> But that doesn't even look like a normal sitar. :)
> 
> Kris
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> here's something positive
>>
>> Here's my friend Chris Doddridge performing to half a
>> dozen or so people.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL9wHQH0jKg
>>
>> Chris has no desire to play to larger audience,
>> and considers his playing to be a meditation rather than
>> a performance.
>> He follows the ancient Dhrupad school of North Indian music,
>> and has quite strict views on not playing flashy stuff to
>> impress an audience.
>> While he comes across as very much the traditionalist,
>> Chris has his own distinctive style which often involves the 
>> re-stringing and retuning of instruments to a much lower pitch.
>>
>> andy
> 
> 

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THOUGHT RADIO:                       http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio
=======================================================================
My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show,
will be Saturday, October 9 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4.  I will continue the
special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs.  You will
also hear music from The Tangent Project who will play at the
Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, October 10, 8 pm at the Nazareth
Center for the Arts.  Today's show will be a special, all electronic
music show.

Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at
http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html

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On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:35 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Electro Harmonix Stereo Memory Man
> 32s loop, feedback adjustable while overdubbing.
> (the clue is in the name)
>
> andy butler

Hi Andy,
You mean the "Stereo Memory Man with Hazarai"? I checked this one
earlier this year but like you say, feedback is only adjustable while
overdubbing, so you can't fade out a loop while continue playing. At
least, not without using an additional switcher. And that's what I use
all the time. Anyway, that's why I still use a DD-20. Interesting
about the SMM is that looper supports reverse, speed etc and that you
can use the effects as a pre-looper and record them in the loop. The
DD-20 has 23 sec stereo delay time, with adustable feedback. It's a
great pedal though, very reliable too.
-- 
Sjaak Overgaauw
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http://livelooping.be/

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  Stan wrote:
"i hope everyone is eagerly awaiting to buy my one page tome on the
girthiness and playability of AEAC#EA tuning that i use to great
advantage for my Drones. that lo A is @ 55 hz."

seeyall at the fest
http://stanosaur.com/


Man, Stan,  that's so synchronous.
I tuned my Strat down to A last week (although I'm using
an   AEABEA  tuning myself (I'm so in love with Sus 2, lately)
and I've been loving it.

I've been putting it (you'll laugh)  through a little
teeny Roland Bass Practice amp (that runs off of batteries)
but also putting it through a the really fantastic
octave fuzz sound that is on the BOSS OD20 (distortion/fuzz/overdrive
modeling pedal that has all the BOSS pedals ever made in it).

The modeling distortions are okay but the octave fuzz is the
best sound one I've ever heard and one string sounds like GODZILLA
even through my minuscule amp.


And I totally spaced that A is 55 HZ  (of course  440, 220, 110, 55)

That is also amazingly synchronous, because I've been working on an EP called
5:55:55 that I began in my 55th year that has 5 songs
all in 5/4, 5/8, 10/8 or are based on the concept of
5 of 5 of 5 (that sus2 again).

I'll have to record one of those tracks over with this guitar.

cool, cool,  cool,   cool!!!!!!!

  I can't wait to hear your set at Y2k-X

Rick

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Yes, go see (and listen to) them!

Johannes

Fabio_A schrieb:
> Saw them live in Perugia last july:......an amazing band playing amazing music.
>  Strongly raccomended !
>
> Fabio
>
>
>
> Il giorno 08/ott/2010, alle ore 18:15, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> ha scritto:
>
>   
>> Ted wrote:
>> .....
>> Nik Bartsch's Ronin rare US tour dates
>>
>> February 23 - Oakland,CA - Yoshis
>>
>> February 25 - Portland, OR - PDX JAZZ FESTIVAL
>>
>> February 26 - Knoxville, TN
>>
>> February 27 - New York, NY - (Highline) TBD
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, thanks for pointing this out, Ted.      I'm sooooo there!!!
>>
>> I was fortunate to see them on their famous Montags gig in Zurich
>> with our own Berhnard Wagner doing a wonderful opening set.
>>
>> This is my favorite jazz/experimental/new instrumental band in the world
>> currently. No hyperbole..........just fact there.
>>
>> They don't loop, per se, but they are so into cyclical parts that are
>> played in a very, very disciplined and accurate way,  mixing
>> odd time signatures and polyrhythmic playing.
>>
>> Imagine Steve Reich meets any of the great ECM bands,
>> except that pigeonholes them too much.
>>
>> Every member of this ensemble is an amazing musician.
>> They all are really exploiting their individual instruments to get
>> traditional and highly non-traditional sounds out of them.
>>
>> I can't say enough good things about them.
>>
>> Don't miss them..............they never come to the US.
>> I'll see you there at both shows if they have them.
>>
>> yours,   Rick Walker
>>
>>     
>
>
>   


-- 
Johannes Korn  - j.korn@gmx.de
http://www.myspace.com/nashorn

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Today's MoinSound Studio Session - my bi-weekly series of video 
streaming concerts - will move away from my typical 
computer/Möbius-based approach.

Following the lengthy discussion recently on this list about stompbox 
reverbs, I decided to work a little with reverb effects. And as reverbs 
also have something to do with delays (and to keep it on-topic for this 
list), there will also be delays.

Hardware devices. I'm right now finishing the setup, but expect Eventide 
Eclipse (everybody's favourite Manifold Alpha and Ultratap2 mostly), TC 
FireworX, Boss VF1, Lexicon Vortex, Zoom 1201 (there's some odd reverbs 
in there) and Boss DD20 - and perhaps something else as well (like my 
old Sony GRMP5).

Link to the event (on ustream): http://bit.ly/9gy1Iq
Link to date/time info: http://bit.ly/9MeT6b

No registration required, free for all ages.

Starting in a little more then 1.5h

See you there!

             Rainer

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Interesting.  It sounds great and even looks like it might be more enjoyable 
to play than the sitar, which I thought at the time was excruciating.  :)
Kris

----- Original Message ----- 



> Hi Kris,
> that's quite right, the instrument is commonly called
> a Rudra Vina, though Chris tells me that "Rudra Been"
> is more appropriate.
> Been players don't use a mezrab(mizrab?), so he plays with his
> fingers. His fingernails are short apart from on the 4th finger
> which he often uses for a brighter sound on the drone strings.
> Kris Hartung wrote:
>> He doesn't appear to be using a mezrab. Is that correct?  The miserable 
>> mezrab as I called it, when I played sitar.
>> But that doesn't even look like a normal sitar. :)
>>
>> Kris
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> here's something positive
>>>
>>> Here's my friend Chris Doddridge performing to half a
>>> dozen or so people.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL9wHQH0jKg
>>>
>>> Chris has no desire to play to larger audience,
>>> and considers his playing to be a meditation rather than
>>> a performance.
>>> He follows the ancient Dhrupad school of North Indian music,
>>> and has quite strict views on not playing flashy stuff to
>>> impress an audience.
>>> While he comes across as very much the traditionalist,
>>> Chris has his own distinctive style which often involves the 
>>> re-stringing and retuning of instruments to a much lower pitch.
>>>
>>> andy
>>
>>
> 

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rab?), so he plays with his=0Afingers. His fingernails are short apart from=
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=0A>> =0A>> Chris has no desire to play to larger audience,=0A>> and consid=
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follows the ancient Dhrupad school of North Indian music,=0A>> and has quit=
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I was wondering if anyone on this list has ever tried using DNA Groove
Templates when quantizing midi notes.

http://www.numericalsound.com/dna-groove-templates-notes.html

I do a one-man-band type of thing (i.e. guitar karaoke) and am really
looking into getting a good feel for my backing drum tracks.  I often play
around with MPC 3K quantization or just record the midi notes myself.  I am
curious though if anyone has ever tried DNA Groove Templates as a way of
giving the drum/bass tracks a more realistic feel?

Any notes on your experiences appreciated!!

Have a good day :)
Adam

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I was wondering if anyone on this list has ever tried using DNA Groove Temp=
lates when quantizing midi notes.=A0 <br><br><a href=3D"http://www.numerica=
lsound.com/dna-groove-templates-notes.html">http://www.numericalsound.com/d=
na-groove-templates-notes.html</a><br>
<br>I do a one-man-band type of thing (i.e. guitar karaoke) and am really l=
ooking into getting a good feel for my backing drum tracks.=A0 I often play=
 around with MPC 3K quantization or just record the midi notes myself.=A0 I=
 am curious though if anyone has ever tried DNA Groove Templates as a way o=
f giving the drum/bass tracks a more realistic feel?=A0 <br>
<br>Any notes on your experiences appreciated!!<br><br>Have a good day :)<b=
r>Adam<br>

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I have tried sometime, the dna groove templates, I can say there really ver=
y groovy...cool stuff.=A0If you dont' want a 100% quantization feel, and at=
 this point, if you wanna use dna gro...it's good to take a look at the dir=
ection <> the notes are moved and the velocity painted curve asigned to eac=
h one, in order to have an idea , for example how you can recreate a kind o=
f swing, and then bla bla you get deep with your ideas...then come back and=
 make a one groove for yourself....
=A0=A0 =A0I recommend you to try dna groo....
lucho

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From: ^|>^m <will.it.go.round@gmail.com>
Subject: OT: DNA Groove Templates...?
To: "Loopers_Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Received: Saturday, 9 October, 2010, 9:01 PM

I was wondering if anyone on this list has ever tried using DNA Groove Temp=
lates when quantizing midi notes.=A0=20

http://www.numericalsound.com/dna-groove-templates-notes.html
=0A
I do a one-man-band type of thing (i.e. guitar karaoke) and am really looki=
ng into getting a good feel for my backing drum tracks.=A0 I often play aro=
und with MPC 3K quantization or just record the midi notes myself.=A0 I am =
curious though if anyone has ever tried DNA Groove Templates as a way of gi=
ving the drum/bass tracks a more realistic feel?=A0=20
=0A
Any notes on your experiences appreciated!!

Have a good day :)
Adam
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;">I have tried sometime, the dna groove templat=
es, I can say there really very groovy...cool stuff.&nbsp;<div>If you dont'=
 want a 100% quantization feel, and at this point, if you wanna use dna gro=
...it's good to take a look at the direction &lt;&gt; the notes are moved a=
nd the velocity painted curve asigned to each one, in order to have an idea=
 , for example how you can recreate a kind of swing, and then bla bla you g=
et deep with your ideas...then come back and make a one groove for yourself=
....</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;I recommend you to try dna=
 groo....</div><div><br></div><div>lucho<br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 9/10/10, ^|&=
gt;^m <i>&lt;will.it.go.round@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote s=
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t:
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loopers-delight.com&gt;<br>Received: Saturday, 9 October, 2010, 9:01 PM<br>=
<br><div id=3D"yiv346139118">I was wondering if anyone on this list has eve=
r tried using DNA Groove Templates when quantizing midi notes.&nbsp; <br><b=
r><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.numericalsound.c=
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. guitar karaoke) and am really looking into getting a good feel for my bac=
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Rick,

I am definitely going to try to make the Portland show, but failing that I may try to make Oakland.

I've been listening to NBR for a couple of years - at  the recommendation of journalist pal Josef Woodard.

I'm also on the ECM mailing list, which is where I got this notice.

Looking forward to it.

Cheers,

Ted

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=============
  Ted wrote:
.....
Nik Bartsch's Ronin rare US tour dates

February 23 - Oakland,CA - Yoshis

February 25 - Portland, OR - PDX JAZZ FESTIVAL

February 26 - Knoxville, TN

February 27 - New York, NY - (Highline) TBD



Oh, thanks for pointing this out, Ted.      I'm sooooo there!!!

I was fortunate to see them on their famous Montags gig in Zurich
with our own Berhnard Wagner doing a wonderful opening set.

This is my favorite jazz/experimental/new instrumental band in the world
currently. No hyperbole..........just fact there.

They don't loop, per se, but they are so into cyclical parts that are
played in a very, very disciplined and accurate way,  mixing
odd time signatures and polyrhythmic playing.

Imagine Steve Reich meets any of the great ECM bands,
except that pigeonholes them too much.

Every member of this ensemble is an amazing musician.
They all are really exploiting their individual instruments to get
traditional and highly non-traditional sounds out of them.

I can't say enough good things about them.

Don't miss them..............they never come to the US.
I'll see you there at both shows if they have them.

yours,   Rick Walker


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History can be tedious. I'm pretty sure that Vladimir Ussachevsky
performed a piano piece by Otto Luening in the fifties that clearly
used the sound on sound tape recording technique that would later be
used by Terry Riley and even later by Fripp & Eno. I don't have the
title, but I'm pretty confident on this. The Ussachevsky recording
that I heard wasn't very interesting and I don't think it's really
that important who was first. Riley really explored looping as an
instrument, and I think he's really the first looping composer and
performer.

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Toby G <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:
> I wonder if the first record player, tin can recording device or whatever=
,
> carved one groove at the same radius the first time it was tested.=A0 Lik=
e,
> they didn't think to make it a spiral?
>
> t
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gareth Whittock
> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:10 PM
> Subject: RE: Fripp and Eno
> Not many people know this but I invented looping by placing a piece of
> cardboard over the erase head of a WEM copicat tape delay unit.
> It was only much later that I discovered that other people had also
> discovered it using other means ;-)
>
> Peace
>
> G
>
> ________________________________
> From: mark@markfrancombe.com
> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 00:40:05 +0200
> Subject: Re: Fripp and Eno
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> thats right actually...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:10 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wro=
te:
>
>
> mark francombe wrote:
>
>
> Stockhausen is known to have used the technique
>
> afaik Stockhausen had a completely different technique
> using just one tape deck with an actual loop of tape.
>
> The tape heads were reordered, so instead of going
> Erase>Rec>Playback like in a regular deck
> they were changed to
> Playback>Erase>Record.
>
> andy
>
>
>
>
> --
> mark francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
>



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Hey guiys

I just want to let you know I'm doing a streaming gig at 2pm UK time  
(about an hours time).

This week i shall be playing the whole of my first album Echo - all  
loops 2 x DL4.

Watch live at 2pm UK time here:

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  Sunday, October 10, the Soundscapes Concert Series returns to the 
Nazareth Center for the Arts with The Tangent Project.  Jeff Coulter 
(electronics) and Harrison McKay (guitar and devices) are the most 
recent incarnation of this musical vision which started 30 years ago. 
Influences are drawn from such disparate genres as Minimalism, the 
Avant-Garde, Ambient, Prog, IDM, and, of course, Spacemusic which 
originated in the '70s.

Doors open at 7:30 pm and the concert is at 8:00 pm. The concert is 
free. Donations are requested to support the musician and to enable the 
Nazareth Center for the Arts to pay operating expenses. The NCA is 
located at 30 Belvidere Street, Nazareth, PA 18064 just off of Route 191 
on the southwest corner of Belvidere Street and South Spruce Street. 
Check the NCA site for parking information.

The Soundscapes Concert Series is the concert companion to the Galactic 
Travels radio program on WDIY and to Thought Radio on WMUH and presents 
electronic music to the Lehigh Valley. This is the concert series that 
presented Robert Rich (California), vidnaObmana (Belgium), The Ministry 
of Inside Things (Philadelphia), Richard Lainhart (New York), Orbital 
Decay (Quakertown), Modulator ESP (UK), Mikronesia (Philadelphia), 
Technicolor Travel Agency (Poconos), and Twyndyllyngs (Lehigh Valley) to 
local audiences.

Here is a collection of links that may be used in promoting this 
concert. Photos, banner, flier, and map links are included.

THE TANGENT PROJECT:
http://www.tangent-project.com

SOUNDSCAPES:
http://soundscapes.us
http://soundscapes.us/flier.pdf
http://vimeo.com/channels/soundscapes

NAZARETH CENTER FOR THE ARTS:
http://nazaretharts.com
http://facebook.com/nazaretharts
http://soundscapes.us/images/NCAlogo.jpg
MAP: http://is.gd/aF8Ih

GALACTIC TRAVELS:
http://galactictravels.info

THOUGHT RADIO:
http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio

FUTURE:
December 5: Chuck Van Zyl

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Hello,

History can be tedious indeed. However, most things that are informative ca=
n be tedious.In fact, I believe the literal translation of the word is:  In=
credibly boring tedious information that accumulates over the years & can b=
e summed up in two words, " Who cares? "

 I remember a fellow while I was in school in Nashville who used answering =
machine message tapes to record loops & then play two or more on different =
cassette players in his room to create aleatoric music. I started using the=
 same technique but recorded the loops onto an 2" eight track I had at the =
time. My friend told me of a composer he had heard who used tape loops to b=
oth record & perform & I believe the name was Ussaschevsky.

 As an interesting side note, once I started using the answering machine ta=
pes a local Radio Shack almost resorted to banning me from their store as t=
hey were the only inexpensive source of these tapes & the bloody things bro=
ke so often I was constantly returning them. When asked why I was having su=
ch a problem with the tapes, I replied I was a Music Major at Belmonte Coll=
ege & I was using the tapes to compose aleatoric music. The idiot who was a=
pparently the manager of the store said that using their tapes for that pur=
pose was not covered by any Radio Shack guarantee, I asked him to show me i=
n writing where Radio Shack had this policy specifically stating that recor=
ding aleatoric music voided their guarantee. What was surrealistic at the m=
oment was the sound system was playing the Hungarian composer Ligeti's "Atm=
ospheres"........ and yes, there was a guy standing in the shadows dressed =
in black smoking a cigarette too..... and an old priest with a large black =
hat walked into the store carrying a even larger black satchel.... very str=
ange........=20

According to Seamus Online:

Ussachevsky was one of the most significant pioneers in the composition of =
electronic music, and one of its most potent forces. He produced the first =
works of &#8220;tape music,&#8221; a uniquely American synthesis of the Fre=
nch musique-concr=E8te and the German pure electronic schools.=20

However, doing a search on Fripp's diary using Ussaschevsky name did not pr=
oduce any results.
If interested, you might also take a look at the following link:

livelooping.org/researchpaper/Chapter_3.pdf

>=20
> History can be tedious. I'm pretty sure that Vladimir Ussachevsky
> performed a piano piece by Otto Luening in the fifties that clearly
> used the sound on sound tape recording technique that would later be
> used by Terry Riley and even later by Fripp & Eno. I don't have the
> title, but I'm pretty confident on this. The Ussachevsky recording
> that I heard wasn't very interesting and I don't think it's really
> that important who was first. Riley really explored looping as an
> instrument, and I think he's really the first looping composer and
> performer.
>=20
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Toby G <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:
> > I wonder if the first record player, tin can recording device or whatev=
er,
> > carved one groove at the same radius the first time it was tested.=A0 L=
ike,
> > they didn't think to make it a spiral?
> >
> > t
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gareth Whittock
> > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:10 PM
> > Subject: RE: Fripp and Eno
> > Not many people know this but I invented looping by placing a piece of
> > cardboard over the erase head of a WEM copicat tape delay unit.
> > It was only much later that I discovered that other people had also
> > discovered it using other means ;-)
> >
> > Peace
> >
> > G
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: mark@markfrancombe.com
> > Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 00:40:05 +0200
> > Subject: Re: Fripp and Eno
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >
> > thats right actually...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:10 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> w=
rote:
> >
> >
> > mark francombe wrote:
> >
> >
> > Stockhausen is known to have used the technique
> >
> > afaik Stockhausen had a completely different technique
> > using just one tape deck with an actual loop of tape.
> >
> > The tape heads were reordered, so instead of going
> > Erase>Rec>Playback like in a regular deck
> > they were changed to
> > Playback>Erase>Record.
> >
> > andy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > mark francombe
> > www.markfrancombe.com
> > www.ordoabkhao.com
> > twitter @markfrancombe
> > http://vimeo.com/user825094
> > http://www.looop.no
> >
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --
> Art Simon
> simart@gmail.com
> myspace [dot] com/artsimon

>



Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

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Thanks Mark,

I read and enjoyed the third chapter. Is the whole research paper
available online?

I think it's little more than a footnote, but I found the title of
that Ussachevsky piano looping piece. It's a live performance at the
Museum of Modern Art in 1952 that was broadcast on radio, so I'd say
it's the first live looping I'm aware of.  The title is "Sonic
Contours" by Vladimir Ussachevsky. It was performed and broadcast live
and is basically piano played through a tape delay. Otto Luening also
participated in the concert, but "Sonic Contours" is only credited to
Ussachevsky. The length of the delay and amount of feedback varies
over the performance (maybe at the hand of Luening?). At times the
delay is very short producing a slap back echo effect, but at the 5
minute mark, the delay is lengthened and the there is sufficient
feedback that several layers of people piano are heard simultaneously.

Amazon has it as an 99 cent mp3 download:
http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Contours/dp/B000S4B8YK

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Mark Showalter
<folkstone57@operamail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> History can be tedious indeed. However, most things that are informative =
can be tedious.In fact, I believe the literal translation of the word is: =
=A0Incredibly boring tedious information that accumulates over the years & =
can be summed up in two words, " Who cares? "
>
> =A0I remember a fellow while I was in school in Nashville who used answer=
ing machine message tapes to record loops & then play two or more on differ=
ent cassette players in his room to create aleatoric music. I started using=
 the same technique but recorded the loops onto an 2" eight track I had at =
the time. My friend told me of a composer he had heard who used tape loops =
to both record & perform & I believe the name was Ussaschevsky.
>
> =A0As an interesting side note, once I started using the answering machin=
e tapes a local Radio Shack almost resorted to banning me from their store =
as they were the only inexpensive source of these tapes & the bloody things=
 broke so often I was constantly returning them. When asked why I was havin=
g such a problem with the tapes, I replied I was a Music Major at Belmonte =
College & I was using the tapes to compose aleatoric music. The idiot who w=
as apparently the manager of the store said that using their tapes for that=
 purpose was not covered by any Radio Shack guarantee, I asked him to show =
me in writing where Radio Shack had this policy specifically stating that r=
ecording aleatoric music voided their guarantee. What was surrealistic at t=
he moment was the sound system was playing the Hungarian composer Ligeti's =
"Atmospheres"........ and yes, there was a guy standing in the shadows dres=
sed in black smoking a cigarette too..... and an old priest with a large bl=
ack hat walked into the store carrying a even larger black satchel.... very=
 strange........
>
> According to Seamus Online:
>
> Ussachevsky was one of the most significant pioneers in the composition o=
f electronic music, and one of its most potent forces. He produced the firs=
t works of &#8220;tape music,&#8221; a uniquely American synthesis of the F=
rench musique-concr=E8te and the German pure electronic schools.
>
> However, doing a search on Fripp's diary using Ussaschevsky name did not =
produce any results.
> If interested, you might also take a look at the following link:
>
> livelooping.org/researchpaper/Chapter_3.pdf
>
>>
>> History can be tedious. I'm pretty sure that Vladimir Ussachevsky
>> performed a piano piece by Otto Luening in the fifties that clearly
>> used the sound on sound tape recording technique that would later be
>> used by Terry Riley and even later by Fripp & Eno. I don't have the
>> title, but I'm pretty confident on this. The Ussachevsky recording
>> that I heard wasn't very interesting and I don't think it's really
>> that important who was first. Riley really explored looping as an
>> instrument, and I think he's really the first looping composer and
>> performer.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Toby G <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:
>> > I wonder if the first record player, tin can recording device or whate=
ver,
>> > carved one groove at the same radius the first time it was tested.=A0 =
Like,
>> > they didn't think to make it a spiral?
>> >
>> > t
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Gareth Whittock
>> > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
>> > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:10 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Fripp and Eno
>> > Not many people know this but I invented looping by placing a piece of
>> > cardboard over the erase head of a WEM copicat tape delay unit.
>> > It was only much later that I discovered that other people had also
>> > discovered it using other means ;-)
>> >
>> > Peace
>> >
>> > G
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: mark@markfrancombe.com
>> > Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 00:40:05 +0200
>> > Subject: Re: Fripp and Eno
>> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> >
>> > thats right actually...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:10 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> =
wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > mark francombe wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Stockhausen is known to have used the technique
>> >
>> > afaik Stockhausen had a completely different technique
>> > using just one tape deck with an actual loop of tape.
>> >
>> > The tape heads were reordered, so instead of going
>> > Erase>Rec>Playback like in a regular deck
>> > they were changed to
>> > Playback>Erase>Record.
>> >
>> > andy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > mark francombe
>> > www.markfrancombe.com
>> > www.ordoabkhao.com
>> > twitter @markfrancombe
>> > http://vimeo.com/user825094
>> > http://www.looop.no
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Art Simon
>> simart@gmail.com
>> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>
>>
>
>
>
> Mark Showalter
> Minden Jot!
>
> myspace.com/folkstone57
> http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter
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>
>
> --
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>
>



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myspace [dot] com/artsimon

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>=20
> Thanks Mark,
>=20
> I read and enjoyed the third chapter. Is the whole research paper
> available online?

I'm not sure, I didn't get that far into the paper.
>=20
> I think it's little more than a footnote, but I found the title of
> that Ussachevsky piano looping piece. It's a live performance at the
> Museum of Modern Art in 1952 that was broadcast on radio, so I'd say
> it's the first live looping I'm aware of.  The title is "Sonic
> Contours" by Vladimir Ussachevsky. It was performed and broadcast live
> and is basically piano played through a tape delay. Otto Luening also
> participated in the concert, but "Sonic Contours" is only credited to
> Ussachevsky. The length of the delay and amount of feedback varies
> over the performance (maybe at the hand of Luening?). At times the
> delay is very short producing a slap back echo effect, but at the 5
> minute mark, the delay is lengthened and the there is sufficient
> feedback that several layers of people piano are heard simultaneously.

I would like to point out that in the time I've been reading these emails, =
I've noticed that there are a lot of varying ideas about what looping is. M=
any seem to prefer that loops are short & don't seem to think that  a lot o=
f sample time/memory is needed; some think looping is all about mangling a =
sample as much as possible & so on. All of these are cases, of course, of e=
lectronic looping, & I would of include actual tape looping techniques in t=
his category.I however, prefer loops that are rather long so that it isn't =
obvious that a loop is restarting since for me this usually just ends up so=
 repetitive that I get quickly bored listening. Mangling the loops helps so=
metimes along with various filtering & such. I'd also like to point out tha=
t looping as such is not at all a recent idea as there are also mechanical =
loopers. The player piano is one & of course there is the beautiful traditi=
on behind the toy box or music box. It took me ages as a kid to figure out =
how the hell my mother's jewelry box could play "Beautiful Dreamer " for wh=
at seemed like hours & yet it had no wires or antennae.
A story I heard while in school in Nashville was about a violinist who had =
to prepare a piece for an orchestra audition. He couldn't find someone to p=
lay piano for him to rehearse with so he had a local music box maker constr=
uct a music box with the piano part, which he brought with him to the audit=
ion & explained how he had rehearsed the piece. The group was so amused by =
his ingenuity that they made him do the audition with the music box. They t=
hen told him that although they could see he had practiced well, they were =
far more interested in acquiring the music box...... they were just joking =
of course & did hire him but with the proviso that he would when asked do h=
is bit with the music box as a novelty bit.=20

> Amazon has it as an 99 cent mp3 download:
> http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Contours/dp/B000S4B8YK
>=20
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Mark Showalter
> <folkstone57@operamail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > History can be tedious indeed. However, most things that are=20
> > informative can be tedious.In fact, I believe the literal=20
> > translation of the word is: =A0Incredibly boring tedious=20
> > information that accumulates over the years & can be summed up in=20
> > two words, " Who cares? "
> >
> > =A0I remember a fellow while I was in school in Nashville who used=20
> > answering machine message tapes to record loops & then play two=20
> > or more on different cassette players in his room to create=20
> > aleatoric music. I started using the same technique but recorded=20
> > the loops onto an 2" eight track I had at the time. My friend=20
> > told me of a composer he had heard who used tape loops to both=20
> > record & perform & I believe the name was Ussaschevsky.
> >
> > =A0As an interesting side note, once I started using the answering=20
> > machine tapes a local Radio Shack almost resorted to banning me=20
> > from their store as they were the only inexpensive source of=20
> > these tapes & the bloody things broke so often I was constantly=20
> > returning them. When asked why I was having such a problem with=20
> > the tapes, I replied I was a Music Major at Belmonte College & I=20
> > was using the tapes to compose aleatoric music. The idiot who was=20
> > apparently the manager of the store said that using their tapes=20
> > for that purpose was not covered by any Radio Shack guarantee, I=20
> > asked him to show me in writing where Radio Shack had this policy=20
> > specifically stating that recording aleatoric music voided their=20
> > guarantee. What was surrealistic at the moment was the sound=20
> > system was playing the Hungarian composer Ligeti's=20
> > "Atmospheres"........ and yes, there was a guy standing in the=20
> > shadows dressed in black smoking a cigarette too..... and an old=20
> > priest with a large black hat walked into the store carrying a=20
> > even larger black satchel.... very strange........
> >
> > According to Seamus Online:
> >
> > Ussachevsky was one of the most significant pioneers in the=20
> > composition of electronic music, and one of its most potent=20
> > forces. He produced the first works of &#8220;tape music,&#8221;=20
> > a uniquely American synthesis of the French musique-concr=E8te and=20
> > the German pure electronic schools.
> >
> > However, doing a search on Fripp's diary using Ussaschevsky name=20
> > did not produce any results.
> > If interested, you might also take a look at the following link:
> >
> > livelooping.org/researchpaper/Chapter_3.pdf
> >
> >>
> >> History can be tedious. I'm pretty sure that Vladimir Ussachevsky
> >> performed a piano piece by Otto Luening in the fifties that clearly
> >> used the sound on sound tape recording technique that would later be
> >> used by Terry Riley and even later by Fripp & Eno. I don't have the
> >> title, but I'm pretty confident on this. The Ussachevsky recording
> >> that I heard wasn't very interesting and I don't think it's really
> >> that important who was first. Riley really explored looping as an
> >> instrument, and I think he's really the first looping composer and
> >> performer.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Toby G <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:
> >> > I wonder if the first record player, tin can recording device or wha=
tever,
> >> > carved one groove at the same radius the first time it was tested.=
=A0 Like,
> >> > they didn't think to make it a spiral?
> >> >
> >> > t
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Gareth Whittock
> >> > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:10 PM
> >> > Subject: RE: Fripp and Eno
> >> > Not many people know this but I invented looping by placing a piece =
of
> >> > cardboard over the erase head of a WEM copicat tape delay unit.
> >> > It was only much later that I discovered that other people had also
> >> > discovered it using other means ;-)
> >> >
> >> > Peace
> >> >
> >> > G
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> > From: mark@markfrancombe.com
> >> > Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 00:40:05 +0200
> >> > Subject: Re: Fripp and Eno
> >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> >
> >> > thats right actually...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:10 PM, andy butler=20
> >> <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > mark francombe wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Stockhausen is known to have used the technique
> >> >
> >> > afaik Stockhausen had a completely different technique
> >> > using just one tape deck with an actual loop of tape.
> >> >
> >> > The tape heads were reordered, so instead of going
> >> > Erase>Rec>Playback like in a regular deck
> >> > they were changed to
> >> > Playback>Erase>Record.
> >> >
> >> > andy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > mark francombe
> >> > www.markfrancombe.com
> >> > www.ordoabkhao.com
> >> > twitter @markfrancombe
> >> > http://vimeo.com/user825094
> >> > http://www.looop.no
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Art Simon
> >> simart@gmail.com
> >> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Showalter
> > Minden Jot!
> >
> > myspace.com/folkstone57
> > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter
> > <a href=3D"http://www.mylivesignature.com" target=3D"_blank"><img=20
> > src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA=
1E10C1043965108.png" style=3D"border: 0 !important; background:=20
> > transparent;"/></a>
> >
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way:
> > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com
> >
> >
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --
> Art Simon
> simart@gmail.com
> myspace [dot] com/artsimon

>



Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

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well we have talked a lot about making money with music and the key note was 
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So he is out there making money with music, in what fields and how do they do 
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Manipulating time in the LE didn't work too well. I tried it on Sat. and i=
t was weird... and not in a good way. It was unpredictable. Sometimes the =
loop just stopped or went silent when I changed the time. Sometimes it cam=
e back when I went back to the original time. Sometimes parts of the loop =
were erased. In any case, changing time and then trying to put more in the=
 loop to manipulate pitch, etc. just didn't work.=0A=0AI'll depend on my D=
L4s for that. ;)=0A=0A--=0ADarren Nelsen=0Ahttp://curiomusic.com=0Ahttp://=
reverbnation.com/dmnmusic=0A=EF=BB=BF=0A=0A=0AOn Oct 07, 2010, at 04:31 PM=
, Darren Nelsen <dmnelsen@me.com> wrote:=0A=0A> Yes, 8 seconds.=0A>=0A> Da=
mn, I had that David Torn VHS set, but I've searched high and low and can'=
t find it. Probably went off in a box of donations to the library. Too bad=
 it's not available on DVD. Anyway, cool to know that's how he did it.=0A>=
=0A> Manipulating time... Hmm, I'll have to try that! Will report back on =
results.=0A>=0A> --=0A> Darren Nelsen=0A> http://curiomusic.com=0A>  =0A> =
http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic=0A>  =0A>=0A> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:00 AM=
, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>> i just checked t=
he manual online for the vox tonelab LE-it says that it has 8 sec of delay=
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terial & then then "turn off input" and solo over is what David Torn did i=
n his video "Painting W/ Sound" in the 2nd=0A>> tape that he demos his loo=
ping setup/methods (circa '93).=0A>>=0A>> in the vox tonelab LE -can you m=
anipulate the time (8 sec to short time to pitch it up, then back down to =
8 sec for low pitches etc)?=0A>>=0A>> that's sort of why i like my Digitec=
h DL8-i use the 8 sec of digital delay w/ 100% feedback, mess w/ the time.=
 it doesn't keep the information as clear/clean=0A>> as the Lexicon PCM42 =
(which DT uses), but it's ok, it has this sort of warping / glitch thing..=
.which reminded me of when i had my boss dd20...=0A>>=0A>> my old dod d12=
 w/ 12 sec of delay kept the info more intact (but would pitch up or down =
if you modulated the time, it was sort of a budget pcm42)...=0A>>=0A>> i s=
till wish Lexicon (or whoever owns them) would release a pedal version of =
the PCM 42 w/ the 20 sec of delay that mr. torn uses/abuses so well....=0A=
>> oh well...=0A>> dream on....=0A>> s---=0A>> www.myspace.com/scotthansen=
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<html><body><div>Manipulating time in the LE didn't work too well. I tried it on Sat. =
and=0A it was weird... and not in a good way. It was unpredictable. Someti=
mes =0Athe loop just stopped or went silent when I changed the time. Somet=
imes =0Ait came back when I went back to the original time. Sometimes part=
s of =0Athe loop were erased. In any case, changing time and then trying t=
o put =0Amore in the loop to manipulate pitch, etc. just didn't work.<br><=
br>I'll depend on my DL4s for that. ;)</div><pre style=3D"font-family: Hel=
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etica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">--=0ADarren Nelsen=0Ahttp://curi=
omusic.com=0Ahttp://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic<br></pre><div><br>On Oct 07,=
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iv><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Yes, 8 seconds.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Damn, I had that David Torn VHS set, but I've se=
arched high and low and can't find it. Probably went off in a box of donat=
ions to the library. Too bad it's not available on DVD. Anyway, cool to kn=
ow that's how he did it.</div><div><br></div><div>Manipulating time... Hmm=
, I'll have to try that! Will report back on results.<br><br><div>--</div>=
<div>Darren Nelsen</div><div><a href=3D"http://curiomusic.com" _mce_href=3D=
"http://curiomusic.com">http://curiomusic.com</a><div style=3D"width: 0px;=
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mnmusic" _mce_href=3D"http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic">http://reverbnatio=
n.com/dmnmusic</a><div style=3D"width: 0px; height: 0px;">&nbsp;</div></di=
v></div><div><br>On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Scott Hansen &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com" _mce_href=3D"mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com">eva=
npeewee@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div>i just checked the manual online for the vox tonelab LE-=
it says that it has 8 sec of delay time, is this correct?<br><br>the abili=
ty to use the pedal to input material &amp; then then "turn off input" and=
 solo over is what David Torn did in his video "Painting W/ Sound" in the =
2nd<br>=0Atape that he demos his looping setup/methods (circa '93).<br><br=
>in the vox tonelab LE -can you manipulate the time (8 sec to short time t=
o pitch it up, then back down to 8 sec for low pitches etc)?<br><br>that's=
 sort of why i like my Digitech DL8-i use the 8 sec of digital delay w/ 10=
0% feedback, mess w/ the time. it doesn't keep the information as clear/cl=
ean<br>=0Aas the Lexicon PCM42 (which DT uses), but it's ok, it has this s=
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d20...<br><br>my old dod d12 w/ 12 sec of delay kept the info more intact =
(but would pitch up or down if you modulated the time, it was sort of a bu=
dget pcm42)...<br>=0A<br>i still wish Lexicon (or whoever owns them) would=
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So=2C


Not much time to play BUT i got an IPhone with cool apps..=20

So what I did was to make a sort of glitchy drumtratrck in JR Hexaphonic=20

And another approach was to take a beat from the looping performance=2C sen=
d it to Beatmaker Pro=2C chop it up and pitch shift=2C add some drums=2C ex=
port the track to Cubase and use it as a backing for the orginal live loopi=
ng perfomance

AND lastly use the amazing JAsuto Pro modular synt as a VST plugin and tran=
sform the guitar loop into ambient synth peice...

The clips are all on my soundclick page:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=3D924516

=20

What do you think=2C is it better than having the track "as is" with ust de=
lay (The plague of justinian)=20

I really like the fact that i can mess with music on my way to work :-)

=20

Cheers all !!

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Anders
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So=2C<BR>
<BR>Not much time to play BUT i got an IPhone with cool apps.. <BR>
So what I did was to make a sort of glitchy drumtratrck in JR Hexaphonic <B=
R>
And another approach was to take a beat from the looping performance=2C sen=
d it to Beatmaker Pro=2C chop it up and pitch shift=2C add some drums=2C ex=
port the track to Cubase and use it as a backing for the orginal live loopi=
ng perfomance<BR>
AND lastly use the amazing JAsuto Pro modular synt as a VST plugin and tran=
sform the guitar loop into ambient synth peice...<BR>
The clips are all on my soundclick page:<BR>
<A href=3D"http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=3D924516">=
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=3D924516</A><BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
What do you think=2C is it better than having the track "as is" with ust de=
lay (<A class=3Dsongtitle href=3D"javascript:Player('../player/single_playe=
r.cfm?songid=3D9365187&amp=3Bq=3Dhi&amp=3Bnewref=3D1')=3B">The plague of ju=
stinian</A>) <BR>
I really like the fact that i can mess with music on my way to work :-)<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
Cheers all !!<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
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Hi folks,

I'm putting on a special Visual Music LIVE double bill at Outpost 186 
Sunday. I'll be doing video with two of my favorite improvising 
musicians at 8 PM, and presenting a special show by Loup-Garou at 9 
PM.


8 PM
Dr. T -- Video Projections
Forbes Graham -- trumpet
Kevin Frenette -- Guitar


9 PM
Loup-Garou
Setheyny Pen - drums
Walter Wright - electronics
with
Steve Norton - bass clarinet
Greg Kowalski - live video

Many of my finished video pieces (both studio and live) can be seen 
at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld. with a piece from the Spring 
Series at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxBtaJajCkU

Those of you who attend or perform at events at Outpost 186 may find 
my photo essay "Improvisations from an Outpost" 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157624670849749/ to 
be of interest,

Outpost 186, 186 Hampshire St (in the back), Cambridge

617.876.0860 ~ all ages ~ 
<http://www.zeitgeist-outpost.org>http://www.zeitgeist-outpost.org
-- 

		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer			Image Processing Specialist
Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
http://www.foryourhead.com		http://www.borisfx.com

"My destination is always the same, but I work out a different route 
to get there"  -- Henri Matisse

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I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live?  
I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members about  
where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a  
sense of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in  
another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I  
already know this info about but I want to see what countries are  
currently represented.
thanks
  bill

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New York, New York, but feels like a continent away from Santa Cruz right  
now.  Unfortunately I have a wedding to attend this weekend or otherwise I  
would have been there.  Does it matter that I grew up in Brooklyn?   That's 
like another country .......
 
Regards to all,
 
Harry  Weinberg, Esq.
292 Madison Avenue - 16th Floor
New York, N.Y.  10017
(212) 889-4100 (T)
(212) 889-4105 (F)
(917) 687-6019 (C)  

 
In a message dated 10/12/2010 11:08:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
billwalker@baymoon.com writes:

I'm  sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live?   
I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members  about  
where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just  trying to get a  
sense of  our global community. Also if you are  an ex-pat living in  
another country I'd like to find that out as  well. Many of you I  
already know this info about but I want to see  what countries are  
currently represented.
thanks
bill




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North London

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On 12 Oct 2010, at 16:07, William Walker wrote:

> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone  
> live? I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members  
> about where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying  
> to get a sense of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat  
> living in another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many  
> of you I already know this info about but I want to see what  
> countries are currently represented.
> thanks
>  bill
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Portland=2C OR. Home to Billions and Billions of raindrops.

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Medford, Oregon (Oregon's "me too" answer to California places like  
Barstow, Oxnard, or Taft).

It's a place none of you would want to be . . . I sure as heck don't.

That's why I'll be driving down to Santa Cruz tomorrow for a few days  
visit.

On Oct 12, 2010, at 8:07 AM, William Walker wrote:

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> thanks
> bill
>

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near Geneva Switzerland,

Antony Hequet



________________________________
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North London


Matt Stevens
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On 12 Oct 2010, at 16:07, William Walker wrote:

I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'm 
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>thanks
> bill
>
>



      
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North London<div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;"><div>Matt Stevens</div><div><a target="_blank" href="http://www.mattstevensguitar.com">www.mattstevensguitar.com</a></div><div><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com" target="_blank"
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 about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;">thanks</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;"><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>bill</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;min-height:14px;"><br></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></div></div><div style="position:fixed"></div>


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Helsinki, Finland.

R.


On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:07 PM, William Walker wrote:

> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? =
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> thanks
> bill
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Hi, I'm new to this mailing list so hello to you loopers!

=20

I'm in Northish London too...... is there a Looping community in London?
I'm new to Looping in general so would be good to meet/watch like minded
muso types.

=20

Rob

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________________________________

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=20

North London

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Matt Stevens

www.mattstevensguitar.com

mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com

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On 12 Oct 2010, at 16:07, William Walker wrote:





I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live?
I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members about where
they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense
of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another
country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know
this info about but I want to see what countries are currently
represented.

thanks

 bill

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Rev. Fever. Portland, Oregon, USA  (But, who dreams constantly of  
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Cheers....

On Oct 12, 2010, at 8:07 AM, William Walker wrote:

> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone  
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>  bill
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Brembio
a little village (2000 people) in the country - 40 km south of Milan
The kingdom of moisture !!!
Bye
Lele

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> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live?
> I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members about
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Wijdenes, The Netlerhands.

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On Oct 12, 2010, at 5:07 PM, William Walker wrote:

> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? =
I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members about where =
they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense =
of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another =
country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know =
this info about but I want to see what countries are currently =
represented.
> thanks
> bill
>=20
>=20

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Bethlehem PA. USA

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:07 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>wrote:

> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'm
> curious to get a break down on the current  list members about where they
> live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of  our
> global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd
> like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about
> but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
> thanks
>  bill
>
>


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Bethlehem PA. USA<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at=
 11:07 AM, William Walker <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:billwalke=
r@baymoon.com">billwalker@baymoon.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex;">
I&#39;m sure =A0this question was posed before but where does everyone live=
? I&#39;m curious to get a break down on the current =A0list members about =
where they live, =A0what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a se=
nse of =A0our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another=
 country I&#39;d like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know =
this info about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.=
<br>

thanks<br>
=A0bill<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>-=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- <br>To=
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Third stone from the sun, parking section MM, aisle 17, at 4789' in elevation equals- 
Longmont Colorado, USA (15 years) 

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Milan, Italy

yes the question was posed before and if I don't remember wrong it was =
your brother (yes, yes the one who never answers my email...:-)
there should be a gmap somewhere with all those little flags on it


best

b:k=

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San Mateo, California


> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live?  

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  Hi Lee,

hope you're well. I've just received the recycled EEPROMS. Thank You.
Now I need a little bit of your help.
My sautering friend has looked at it and is asking:
Which Eeprom needs to be replaced on the board ?
Seems there is more than one candidate.
Do both boards need to be removed ?
Could you mail me a picture, small video or describe it ?
Other urgent question is, how do i remove the knobs (potentiometers)
on top of the unit. We're afraid to pull them too hard and break them
or is force the way to go ?

Thanks for your reply, best regards from Leipzig

Christian

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Brookings, OR.



On Oct 12, 2010, at 8:07 AM, William Walker wrote:

> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone  
> live? I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members  
> about where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying  
> to get a sense of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat  
> living in another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of  
> you I already know this info about but I want to see what countries  
> are currently represented.
> thanks
> bill
>

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Vi=F1a del Mar, Chile
South America

Cheers,

Claudio

2010/10/12 David Coffin <dpcoffin@earthlink.net>

> Brookings, OR.
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2010, at 8:07 AM, William Walker wrote:
>
>  I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I=
'm
>> curious to get a break down on the current  list members about where the=
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>> live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of  ou=
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>> bill
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Vi=F1a del Mar, Chile=A0<div>South America<br><br><div>Cheers,=A0</div><div=
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t">dpcoffin@earthlink.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Brookings, OR.<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
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bill<br>
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In a small village (400) in France about 1000m up, called Brison, 35km =
south of Geneva.

Doc Rossi
Looping student...

On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:17 PM, d.nix wrote:

> San Mateo, California
>=20
>=20
>> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone =
live? =20
>=20

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Oakland, California.



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yeah bro
citizenships,mexican,american,german
current adress:
Am Kraehenhag 28
78315 Markelfigen
Germany
tel  49 7732 910-858
U.S tel 619-209 8717
cheers
Luis




On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 5:07 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>wrote:

> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'm
> curious to get a break down on the current  list members about where they
> live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of  our
> global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd
> like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about
> but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
> thanks
>  bill
>
>

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this info about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.=
<br>

thanks<br>
=A0bill<br>
<br>
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Missoula, Montana

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Roll call!

I'm loosely based in Brooklyn, NY, though I'm on the road most of the 
time. Writing now from Vancouver Island, BC.

Daryl Shawn
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Planet Vulcan, in the 40 Eridani system, 16 light years from Earth. 

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Boston, MA

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:27 PM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:

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> Oakland, California.
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> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
> Blog:  http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com
> Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans
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Oakland, California.<br>
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David Gans - <a href=3D"mailto:david@trufun.com">david@trufun.com</a> or <a=
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Blog: =A0<a href=3D"http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//cloudsurfing.gdhour.com</a><br>
Music: <a href=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
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?American, in Gittisham, Devon UK.

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> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live?  
> I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members about  
> where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a  
> sense of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in  
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> already know this info about but I want to see what countries are  
> currently represented.
> thanks
>  bill 

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San Jose, CA. Although my neighbors wish that I would move.

--Bob Amstadt

On Oct 12, 2010, at 9:29 AM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:

> Boston, MA
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> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:27 PM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:
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> Oakland, California.
>
>
>
> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
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> Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans
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<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>San Jose, CA. Although my neighbors wish that I would move.&nbsp;<br><br>--Bob Amstadt</div><div><br>On Oct 12, 2010, at 9:29 AM, daniel &lt;<a href="mailto:daniel@ithinkwethink.org">daniel@ithinkwethink.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Boston, MA<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:27 PM, David Gans <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:david@trufun.com"><a href="mailto:david@trufun.com">david@trufun.com</a></a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Oakland, California.<br>
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<br>
David Gans - <a href="mailto:david@trufun.com"><a href="mailto:david@trufun.com">david@trufun.com</a></a> or <a href="mailto:david@gdhour.com"><a href="mailto:david@gdhour.com">david@gdhour.com</a></a><br>
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Music: <a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans">http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans</a></a><br>
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Fabio Anile-Roma, Italy




Il giorno 12/ott/2010, alle ore 08:07, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.co=
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> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'm=
 curious to get a break down on the current  list members about where they l=
ive,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of  our glo=
bal community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd like t=
o find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about but I wa=
nt to see what countries are currently represented.
> thanks
> bill
>=20

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Overseas.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:07 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
> where does everyone live?

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over which sea you viking...



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From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
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Overseas.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:07 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
> where does everyone live?


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div>over which sea you viking...</div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Per Boysen &lt;perboysen@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, October 12, 2010 7:12:24 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: OT where are you in the world<br></font><br>
Overseas.<br><br>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen<br><a target="_blank" href="http://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a target="_blank" href="http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboysen.com</a><br><a target="_blank" href="http://www.looproom.com">www.looproom.com</a> internet music hub<br><br><br><br>On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:07 AM, William Walker &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com" href="mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com">billwalker@baymoon.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; where does everyone live?<br><br></div></div><div style="position:fixed"></div>


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Louisville, KY - my neighbors also wish I would move!

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:20 PM, <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:

>  over which sea you viking...
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
>
> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Sent:* Tue, October 12, 2010 7:12:24 PM
> *Subject:* Re: OT where are you in the world
>
> Overseas.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:07 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
> wrote:
> > where does everyone live?
>
>
>


-- 
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* Sound Engineering

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Louisville, KY - my neighbors also wish I would move!<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:20 PM, <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:antonyhequet@yahoo.com">antonyhequet@yahoo.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
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<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">
<div>over which sea you viking...</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><=
br>
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font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">
<hr size=3D"1">
<b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Per Boysen &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;=20
<div class=3D"im"><br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> <=
a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loo=
pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br></div><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT=
: bold">Sent:</span></b> Tue, October 12, 2010 7:12:24 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: OT where are y=
ou in the world<br></font>
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<div class=3D"h5"><br>Overseas.<br><br>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boy=
sen<br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se/" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a=
><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.=
com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.looproom.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.looproom.com</a>=
 internet music hub<br><br><br><br>On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:07 AM, William=
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lwalker@baymoon.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; where does everyone live?<br><br></div></div></div></div>
<div></div></div><br></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- =
<br>Clint E. Allen<br>* Technology Consultant<br>* Sound Engineering<br>

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pretty neat the spread of the community here, I'm in Brooklyn, NY

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pretty neat the spread of the community here, I&#39;m in Brooklyn, NY<br><br>jim<br>

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michael klobuchar.....the belly of the beast!


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Howdy,
=A0
=A0South-central Washington State. 10 miles from where they made plutonium.
Rig

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North London



Matt Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com
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On 12 Oct 2010, at 16:07, William Walker wrote:


I'm sure=A0 this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'=
m curious to get a break down on the current=A0 list members about where th=
ey live,=A0 what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of=
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ry I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info =
about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
thanks
=A0bill


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<DIV>&nbsp;South-central Washington State. 10 miles from where they made pl=
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New York City,  in  Manhattan, specifically...!


>I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone 
>live? I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members 
>about where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying 
>to get a sense of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat 
>living in another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of 
>you I already know this info about but I want to see what countries 
>are currently represented.
>thanks
>  bill


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hey that's where my mother is from



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pretty neat the spread of the community here, I'm in Brooklyn, NY

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pretty neat the spread of the community here, I'm in Brooklyn, NY<br><br>jim<br>
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I split my time between Austin, Texas and the family estate in Monte Carlo.=

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Earth, North American Continent, America, California, Cupertino, my home.. :)

Quoting William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>:

> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live?
> I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members about
> where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a
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> another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I
> already know this info about but I want to see what countries are
> currently represented.
> thanks
>  bill


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Gillingham, Kent, England.

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> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live?  
> I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members about  
> where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a  
> sense of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in  
> another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I  
> already know this info about but I want to see what countries are  
> currently represented.
> thanks
>  bill
>

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Gatineau, Qu=E9bec
Sylvain

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:07 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> w=
rote:
> I'm sure =A0this question was posed before but where does everyone live? =
I'm
> curious to get a break down on the current =A0list members about where th=
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> like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about
> but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
> thanks
> =A0bill
>
>

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Seattle, WA
Born in Tacoma
Meat Eater
Unemployed electronic tech

On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote:

> Gatineau, Qu=E9bec
> Sylvain
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:07 AM, William Walker =20
> <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
>> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone =20
>> live? I'm
>> curious to get a break down on the current  list members about =20
>> where they
>> live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense =20
>> of  our
>> global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another =20
>> country I'd
>> like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this =20
>> info about
>> but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
>> thanks
>>  bill
>>
>>
>

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Just outside Cleveland, OH.

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<br>Just outside Cleveland, OH.<br><br>

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Born in Rotterdam, The Netherlands
Currently living in Antwerp, Belgium for almost 10 years
Will move to Loopers Island  when I retire

Have a great Y2K10 my friends! :)
-- 
Sjaak Overgaauw
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Hello everyone!

Tim Longfellow
Norton, Ohio 
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I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live?  
I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members about  
where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a  
sense of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in  
another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I  
already know this info about but I want to see what countries are  
currently represented.
thanks
  bill



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Tampere, Finland!

2010/10/12 Bruno E. Kleinefeld <bruno.bk@gmail.com>

> Milan, Italy
>
> yes the question was posed before and if I don't remember wrong it was your
> brother (yes, yes the one who never answers my email...:-)
> there should be a gmap somewhere with all those little flags on it
>
>
> best
>
> b:k
>



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<br>
<br>
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Am 12.10.2010 um 17:07 schrieb William Walker:

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>----Messaggio originale----
>Da: billwalker@baymoon.com
>Data: 12/10/2010 17.07
>A: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Ogg: OT where are you in the world
>
>I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live?  
>I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members about  
>where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a  
>sense of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in  
>another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I  
>already know this info about but I want to see what countries are  
>currently represented.
>thanks
>  bill
>
>


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I'm in Cape Elizabeth, on the rocky coast of Maine (near Portland), US of A=
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-t-


=0Ahttp://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson
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--- On Tue, 10/12/10, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
Subject: OT where are you in the world
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 11:07 AM

I'm sure=A0 this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'=
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I have no idea.

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US citizen.  Living in Tokushima, Shikoku, Japan.  Konichi-wa!!!

(although perhaps soon relocating to Singapore for economic reasons)

	--m.


At 8:07 AM -0700 10/12/10, William Walker wrote:
>I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone 
>live? I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members 
>about where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying 
>to get a sense of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat 
>living in another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of 
>you I already know this info about but I want to see what countries 
>are currently represented.
>thanks
>  bill

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I'm an American living in Korea Town, Osaka (Japan)

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Give us a shout mate :)

Matt Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com
mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com




On 12 Oct 2010, at 16:23, <RKoster@uk.imshealth.com> wrote:

> Hi, I=92m new to this mailing list so hello to you loopers!
>
> I=92m in Northish London too=85=85 is there a Looping community in =20
> London? I=92m new to Looping in general so would be good to meet/=20
> watch like minded muso types.
>
> Rob
>
> From: Matt Stevens [mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com]
> Sent: 12 October 2010 16:16
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: OT where are you in the world
>
> North London
>
> Matt Stevens
> www.mattstevensguitar.com
> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com
>
>
>
>
> On 12 Oct 2010, at 16:07, William Walker wrote:
>
>
> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone =20
> live? I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members =20
> about where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying =20=

> to get a sense of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat =20
> living in another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many =20
> of you I already know this info about but I want to see what =20
> countries are currently represented.
> thanks
>  bill
>
>


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Give us a shout mate :)<div><br><div> <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
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at 16:23, &lt;<a =
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loopers!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font =
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" =
face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">I=92m in Northish London too=85=85 =
is there a Looping community in <st1:city w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">London</st1:place></st1:city>? I=92m new to Looping in =
general so would be good to meet/watch like minded muso =
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btinternet.com</a>] <br> <b><span =
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<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a =
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s-delight.com</a><br> <b><span =
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face=3D"Helvetica"><span =
style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">www.mattsteven=
sguitar.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p =
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New =
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William Walker wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div><p =
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">I'm sure<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp; </span>this question was posed =
before but where does everyone live? I'm curious to get a break down on =
the current<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp; </span>list =
members about where they live,<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;=
 </span>what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense =
of<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp; </span>our global =
community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd like =
to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about but =
I want to see what countries are currently =
represented.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> =
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style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;</span></font></span>bill<o:p></o:p></p> =
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On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:07 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members about where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
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Barbados.

On Tue, October 12, 2010 11:07 am, William Walker wrote:
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> currently represented.
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>   bill
>
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Hi,

Who of you have ordered & paid for SoftSteps will be at LoopFest this weekend? 
We can bring you your SoftStep. Let me know.

I do not know if we will have extras yet - we are still fulfilling the first 100 
purchasers. If you are going to be there and want to purchase and pick one up 
please contact me at:

keith@keithmcmillen.com

Sorry for the blatant commercial and practical nature of this email. Loop on.

Thanks,

Keith
 Keith McMillen 
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www.beamfoundation.org 
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I lives in the land of Frank.........Hoboken=2C NJ

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Richmond, Virginia, USA

-Todd Matthews
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> bill
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At 7:10 AM +0900 10/13/10, Philip wrote:
>I'm an American living in Korea Town, Osaka (Japan)

Whoa, bloody hell.  Nihon represent, yo!

Now if we can just get Sunao in Kobe to respond and then maybe find 
somebody in Kyoto, we'll pretty much have Kansai covered.  :D

	--m.
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vancouver island, canada

US citizen
Permanent Resident, Canada

Will be dual citizen soon.

2 hours by ferry from Vancouver.=20

I love it here!  Come on up, Bill!!!!

richard sales
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Charlottesville, VA & Pittsburgh PA USA

-Todd Matthews
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At 7:10 AM +0900 10/13/10, Philip wrote:
>I'm an American living in Korea Town, Osaka (Japan)

Whoa, bloody hell.  Nihon represent, yo!

Now if we can just get Sunao in Kobe to respond and then maybe find 
somebody in Kyoto, we'll pretty much have Kansai covered.  :D

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likewise

At 2010.10.12 09:17 AM, d.nix wrote:
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Brooklyn, NY

(born in LA)

kenn lowy (aka wrinklemuzik)

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Just out side of Des Moines=A0 Iowa.............Der..is that dude play'n to=
 a tape??.....hey...man!! play some "skynard" !!

Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA=A0 50131

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20
 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20
http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20
=A0http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20


--- On Tue, 10/12/10, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
Subject: OT where are you in the world
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 10:07 AM

I'm sure=A0 this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'=
m curious to get a break down on the current=A0 list members about where th=
ey live,=A0 what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of=
=A0 our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another count=
ry I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info =
about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
thanks
 bill


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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-style:=
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ude play'n to a tape??.....hey...man!! play some "skynard" !!</span><br><br=
><div><address style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-weigh=
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ank" href=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kd=
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ex.html"><span class=3D"yshortcuts" id=3D"lw_1230810272_0"><br></span></a><=
/address></div><br>--- On <b>Tue, 10/12/10, William Walker <i>&lt;billwalke=
r@baymoon.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px s=
olid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Will=
iam Walker &lt;billwalker@baymoon.com&gt;<br>Subject: OT where are you in t=
he world<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>Date: Tuesday, Octob=
er 12, 2010, 10:07 AM<br><br><div class=3D"plainMail">I'm sure&nbsp; this q=
uestion was posed
 before but where does everyone live? I'm curious to get a break down on th=
e current&nbsp; list members about where they live,&nbsp; what their citize=
nship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of&nbsp; our global community. Al=
so if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd like to find that out=
 as well. Many of you I already know this info about but I want to see what=
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Australian in Seoul, Korea here...

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Australian in Seoul, Korea here...<br>

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Subject: OT where are you in the world

I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? =20
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  bill


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I need to apologize to everybody.  I won't be able to be at the  
festival Friday night.  It is nothing bad, but a family matter came up  
that I can't say no to.  I will be at the festival Saturday and Sunday  
to stream video to those of you that couldn't make it.

I'm so sorry.

Bob

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tinytown, saskatchewan, canada. dust in your eye, wind up your crack, 
locomotives loop into the eventual horizon.

shayne

>I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'm 
>curious to get a break down on the current  list members about where they 
>live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of  our 
>global community.< 

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This is something we should do, if possibe...like a gear swap meet in =
the parking lot. :)

I am bringing a like new Gemeinhardt 10AS Alto Flute, played only a few =
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Anyone interested in a trade?

http://boise.craigslist.org/msg/1987549801.html

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yeah play some skynard man



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From: K D Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com>
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Just out side of Des Moines  Iowa.............Der..is that dude play'n to a 
tape??.....hey...man!! play some "skynard" !!


Kyle Dean Patten
P.O. Box 22
Johnston, IA  50131


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9g93s0q3uc

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
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>From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
>Subject: OT where are you in the world
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 10:07 AM
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>I'm sure  this question was posed  before but where does everyone live? I'm 
>curious to get a break down on the current  list members about where they live,  
>what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of  our global 
>community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd like to find 
>that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about but I want to see 
>what countries are currently represented.
>thanks
>bill
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div>yeah play some skynard man</div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> K D Patten &lt;kdpatten@yahoo.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, October 13, 2010 3:01:45 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: OT where are you in the world<br></font><br>
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit;"><span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">Just out side of Des Moines&nbsp; Iowa.............Der..is that dude play'n to a tape??.....hey...man!! play some "skynard" !!</span><br><br><div><address style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-weight:bold;"><font color="#bf00bf" size="2">Kyle Dean Patten</font></address> <address style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0, 128, 255);font-weight:bold;"><font size="2">P.O. Box 22</font></address> <address style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0, 128, 255);font-weight:bold;"><font size="2">Johnston, IA&nbsp; 50131<br><br style="color:rgb(0, 128, 255);"></font></address> <address style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-weight:bold;"><font style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0, 128, 255);font-weight:bold;" size="5"><span
 style="font-size:9pt;"><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9g93s0q3uc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9g93s0q3uc</a></span></span></font><font size="2"> <br></font></address> <address><font style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;color:rgb(128, 192, 255);font-weight:bold;" size="1"><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten</a></span><br><span style="color:rgb(0, 128, 255);"><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten">http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten</a> </span></span><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;</span></font><font style="color:rgb(255, 0, 255);font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-weight:bold;" size="1"><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten">http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten</a></span></font><font style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;color:rgb(128,
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 before but where does everyone live? I'm curious to get a break down on the current&nbsp; list members about where they live,&nbsp; what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of&nbsp; our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.<br>thanks<br> bill<br><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div><div style="position:fixed"></div>


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Somerset=2C England in a tiny village between Bristol and Bath.
Yep=2C I have problems with a neighbour too....

Peace=2C love and looping

Gareth

From: tubaczar98@hotmail.com
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I lives in the land of Frank.........Hoboken=2C NJ

> From: billwalker@baymoon.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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kinda tiring to avoid it.......hey i caught a couple of your videos ...fasc=
inating.......well wishes to you in Switzerland

Kyle=20


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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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yeah play some skynard man
From: K D Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com>
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=0AJust out side of Des Moines=A0 Iowa.............Der..is that dude play'n=
 to a tape??.....hey...man!! play some "skynard" !!

Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA=A0 50131

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20
 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20
=A0http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20


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From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
Subject: OT where are you in the world
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 10:07 AM

I'm sure=A0 this question was posed=0A before but where does everyone live?=
 I'm curious to get a break down on the current=A0 list members about where=
 they live,=A0 what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense o=
f=A0 our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another coun=
try I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info=
 about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
thanks
 bill

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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">kinda tiring to avoid it.......hey i caught a=
 couple of your videos ...fascinating.......well wishes to you in <span sty=
le=3D"border-bottom: 2px dotted rgb(54, 99, 136); cursor: pointer; backgrou=
nd: none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent;" class=3D"yshortcuts" id=3D"lw_12=
86956274_0">Switzerland</span><br><br><div><address><font color=3D"#bf00bf"=
 size=3D"2">Kyle </font><br style=3D"font-weight: bold;"><a rel=3D"nofollow=
" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/GWQuiz/Te=
stindex.html"><span class=3D"yshortcuts" id=3D"lw_1230810272_0"><br></span>=
</a></address></div><br>--- On <b>Wed, 10/13/10, antonyhequet@yahoo.com <i>=
&lt;antonyhequet@yahoo.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"borde=
r-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><=
br>From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com &lt;antonyhequet@yahoo.com&gt;<br>Subject: =
Re: OT where are you in the
 world<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>Date: Wednesday, Octob=
er 13, 2010, 2:23 AM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv2006002527"><style type=3D"text/c=
ss"><!--#yiv2006002527 DIV {margin:0px;}--></style><div style=3D"font-famil=
y: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"><div>yeah play some skynar=
d man</div><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size=
: 14pt;"><br><div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,new york,times,seri=
f; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><hr size=3D"1"><b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> K D Patten &lt;kdpatten@ya=
hoo.com&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers=
-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:=
</span></b> Wed, October 13, 2010 3:01:45 AM<br><b><span style=3D"font-weig=
ht: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: OT where are you in the world<br></font>=
<br>=0A<table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody><tr><=
td style=3D"font: inherit;" valign=3D"top"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
; font-style: italic;">Just out side of Des Moines&nbsp; Iowa.............D=
er..is that dude play'n to a tape??.....hey...man!! play some "skynard" !!<=
/span><br><br><div><address style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f; font-weight: bold;"><font color=3D"#bf00bf" size=3D"2">Kyle Dean Patten<=
/font></address> <address style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
 color: rgb(0, 128, 255); font-weight: bold;"><font size=3D"2">P.O. Box 22<=
/font></address> <address style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
 color: rgb(0, 128, 255); font-weight: bold;"><font size=3D"2">Johnston, IA=
&nbsp; 50131<br><br style=3D"color: rgb(0, 128, 255);"></font></address> <a=
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"><font style=3D"font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 1=
28, 255); font-weight: bold;"
 size=3D"5"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><span><a rel=3D"nofollow" targe=
t=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc">http://w=
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc</a></span></span></font><font size=3D"=
2"> <br></font></address> <address><font style=3D"font-family: tahoma,new y=
ork,times,serif; color: rgb(128, 192, 255); font-weight: bold;" size=3D"1">=
<span><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/c=
d/kdpatten">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten</a></span><br><span style=3D"=
color: rgb(0, 128, 255);"><span><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten">http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanp=
atten</a> </span></span><br><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">&nbsp;</span=
></font><font style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 255); font-family: tahoma,new yor=
k,times,serif; font-weight: bold;" size=3D"1"><span><a rel=3D"nofollow" tar=
get=3D"_blank"
 href=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten">http://www.linkedin.com=
/in/kyledeanpatten</a></span></font><font style=3D"font-family: tahoma,new =
york,times,serif; color: rgb(128, 192, 255); font-weight: bold;" size=3D"2"=
><font style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 255); font-family: tahoma,new york,times=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br></font><font style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,s=
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style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><span style=3D"font-family: tahoma,new york,times=
,serif;"></span></span></font><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/GWQuiz/Testindex.html"><br></a></add=
ress></div><br>--- On <b>Tue, 10/12/10, William Walker <i>&lt;billwalker@ba=
ymoon.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid=
 rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: William =
Walker
 &lt;billwalker@baymoon.com&gt;<br>Subject: OT where are you in the world<b=
r>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>Date: Tuesday, October 12, 201=
0, 10:07 AM<br><br><div class=3D"yiv2006002527plainMail">I'm sure&nbsp; thi=
s question was posed=0A before but where does everyone live? I'm curious to=
 get a break down on the current&nbsp; list members about where they live,&=
nbsp; what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of&nbsp; o=
ur global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'=
d like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about=
 but I want to see what countries are currently represented.<br>thanks<br> =
bill<br><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div><div s=
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hey thanks, just make up a real raw kosmic version or some skyn!

A





________________________________
From: K D Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 9:52:05 AM
Subject: Re: OT where are you in the world


kinda tiring to avoid it.......hey i caught a couple of your videos 
...fascinating.......well wishes to you in Switzerland


Kyle 


--- On Wed, 10/13/10, antonyhequet@yahoo.com <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:


>From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com <antonyhequet@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: OT where are you in the  world
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 2:23 AM
>
>
>yeah play some skynard man
>
>
>
________________________________
From: K D Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com>
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 3:01:45 AM
>Subject: Re: OT where are you in the world
>
>
>Just out side of Des Moines  Iowa.............Der..is that dude play'n to a 
>tape??.....hey...man!! play some "skynard" !!
>
>
>Kyle Dean Patten
>P.O. Box 22
>Johnston, IA  50131
>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9g93s0q3uc
>
>http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
>http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten 
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten        
>
>
>--- On Tue, 10/12/10, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: William Walker  <billwalker@baymoon.com>
>>Subject: OT where are you in the world
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 10:07 AM
>>
>>
>>I'm sure  this question was posed  before but where does everyone live? I'm 
>>curious to get a break down on the current  list members about where they live,  
>>what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of  our global 
>>community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd like to find 
>>that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about but I want to see 
>>what countries are currently represented.
>>thanks
>>bill
>>
>> 
> 


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt">hey thanks, just make up a real raw kosmic version or some skyn!<br><br>A<br><div><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> K D Patten &lt;kdpatten@yahoo.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, October 13, 2010 9:52:05 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: OT where are you in the world<br></font><br>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">kinda tiring to avoid it.......hey i caught a couple of your videos ...fascinating.......well wishes to you in <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1286956880_0">Switzerland</span><br><br><div><address><font color="#bf00bf" size="2">Kyle </font><br style="font-weight: bold;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/GWQuiz/Testindex.html"><br></a></address></div><br>--- On <b>Wed, 10/13/10, antonyhequet@yahoo.com <i>&lt;antonyhequet@yahoo.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com &lt;antonyhequet@yahoo.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: OT where are you in the
 world<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 2:23 AM<br><br><div id="yiv2006002527"><style type="text/css"><!--#yiv2006002527 DIV {margin:0px;}--></style><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"><div>yeah play some skynard man</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> K D Patten &lt;kdpatten@yahoo.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, October 13, 2010 3:01:45 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: OT where are you in the world<br></font><br>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font: inherit;" valign="top"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Just out side of Des Moines&nbsp; Iowa.............Der..is that dude play'n to a tape??.....hey...man!! play some "skynard" !!</span><br><br><div><address style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-weight: bold;"><font color="#bf00bf" size="2">Kyle Dean Patten</font></address> <address style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 128, 255); font-weight: bold;"><font size="2">P.O. Box 22</font></address> <address style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 128, 255); font-weight: bold;"><font size="2">Johnston, IA&nbsp; 50131<br><br style="color: rgb(0, 128, 255);"></font></address> <address style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-weight: bold;"><font style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 128, 255); font-weight: bold;"
 size="5"><span style="font-size: 9pt;"><span><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9g93s0q3uc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9g93s0q3uc</a></span></span></span></font><font size="2"> <br></font></address> <address><font style="font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; color: rgb(128, 192, 255); font-weight: bold;" size="1"><span><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten</a></span></span><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 128, 255);"><span><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten">http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten</a> </span></span></span><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">&nbsp;</span></font><font style="color: rgb(255, 0, 255); font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; font-weight: bold;" size="1"><span><span><a target="_blank"
 href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten">http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten</a></span></span></font><font style="font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; color: rgb(128, 192, 255); font-weight: bold;" size="2"><font style="color: rgb(255, 0, 255); font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif;" size="2"><font size="1">&nbsp;</font>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(128, 192, 255); font-weight: bold;" size="3"><span style="font-size: 9pt;"><span style="font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif;"></span></span></font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/GWQuiz/Testindex.html"><br></a></address></div><br>--- On <b>Tue, 10/12/10, William Walker <i>&lt;billwalker@baymoon.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: William Walker
 &lt;billwalker@baymoon.com&gt;<br>Subject: OT where are you in the world<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 10:07 AM<br><br><div class="yiv2006002527plainMail">I'm sure&nbsp; this question was posed
 before but where does everyone live? I'm curious to get a break down on the current&nbsp; list members about where they live,&nbsp; what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of&nbsp; our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.<br>thanks<br> bill<br><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div><div style=""></div>


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i live in west yellowstone, MT.=A0 i'm from anniston, AL.
=A0
=A0
my main creative push of late is my identity as tsunami D, creator of rap b=
acking tracks.=A0 no sampling, however, all samples are now (as opposed to =
when i was first starting out, and used any samples i found interesting) pl=
ayed live and thrown in with a REX player or whatever.=A0=A0 i'm just getti=
ng a kick out of learning how to program drums and assemble sounds.=A0 i ha=
ve 2 loopers, but sadly am so interested in using them to record things tha=
t i only ocassionally pull them out to play them live.=A0 i need to get ano=
ther midi mixer, as i haven't a functional one at the moment that lets mult=
iple signals in, and then my looping can just be integrated into the studio=
, and it won't be so bothersome to extrapolate it.=A0 i know i must seem li=
ke a stalker, because i never comment, but i even have a file of looping ti=
ps.=A0 you never know who is watching and quietly learning.
=A0
time


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From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com <antonyhequet@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: OT where are you in the world
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 3:03 AM





hey thanks, just make up a real raw kosmic version or some skyn!

A







From: K D Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 9:52:05 AM
Subject: Re: OT where are you in the world





kinda tiring to avoid it.......hey i caught a couple of your videos ...fasc=
inating.......well wishes to you in Switzerland



Kyle=20


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From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com <antonyhequet@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: OT where are you in the world
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 2:23 AM






yeah play some skynard man




From: K D Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 3:01:45 AM
Subject: Re: OT where are you in the world





Just out side of Des Moines=A0 Iowa.............Der..is that dude play'n to=
 a tape??.....hey...man!! play some "skynard" !!



Kyle Dean Patten
P.O. Box 22
Johnston, IA=A0 50131


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20
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--- On Tue, 10/12/10, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:


From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
Subject: OT where are you in the world
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 10:07 AM


I'm sure=A0 this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'=
m curious to get a break down on the current=A0 list members about where th=
ey live,=A0 what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of=
=A0 our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another count=
ry I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info =
about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
thanks
bill




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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>i live in west yellowstone, MT.&nbsp; i'=
m from anniston, AL.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>my main creative push of late is my identity as tsunami D, creator of =
rap backing tracks.&nbsp; no sampling, however, all samples are now (as opp=
osed to when i was first starting out, and used any samples i found interes=
ting) played live and thrown in with a REX player or whatever.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
i'm just getting a kick out of learning how to program drums and assemble s=
ounds.&nbsp; i have 2 loopers, but sadly am so interested in using them to =
record things that i only ocassionally pull them out to play them live.&nbs=
p; i need to get another midi mixer, as i haven't a functional one at the m=
oment that lets multiple signals in, and then my looping can just be integr=
ated into the studio, and it won't be so bothersome to extrapolate it.&nbsp=
; i know i must seem like a stalker, because i never comment, but i even ha=
ve a file of looping tips.&nbsp; you never know who is watching and quietly=
 learning.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>time</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 10/13/10, antonyhequet@yahoo.com <I>&lt;antonyh=
equet@yahoo.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com &lt;antonyhequet@yah=
oo.com&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: OT where are you in the world<BR>To: Loopers-Del=
ight@loopers-delight.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 3:03 AM<BR><=
BR>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">h=
ey thanks, just make up a real raw kosmic version or some skyn!<BR><BR>A<BR=
>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><=
BR>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SI=
ZE: 12pt"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma>
<HR SIZE=3D1>
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> K D Patten &lt;kdpatt=
en@yahoo.com&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Loo=
pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Se=
nt:</SPAN></B> Wed, October 13, 2010 9:52:05 AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-W=
EIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: OT where are you in the world<BR></FON=
T><BR>
<TABLE border=3D0 cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop>kinda tiring to avoid it.......hey i caught a couple of yo=
ur videos ...fascinating.......well wishes to you in <SPAN id=3Dyiv11983574=
13lw_1286956880_0 class=3Dyiv1198357413yshortcuts>Switzerland</SPAN><BR><BR=
>
<DIV>
<ADDRESS><FONT color=3D#bf00bf size=3D2>Kyle </FONT><BR style=3D"FONT-WEIGH=
T: bold"><A href=3D"http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/GWQuiz/Testindex.=
html" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank><BR></A></ADDRESS></DIV><BR>--- On <B>=
Wed, 10/13/10, antonyhequet@yahoo.com <I>&lt;antonyhequet@yahoo.com&gt;</I>=
</B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com &lt;antonyhequet@yah=
oo.com&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: OT where are you in the world<BR>To: Loopers-Del=
ight@loopers-delight.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 2:23 AM<BR><=
BR>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">
<DIV>yeah play some skynard man</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><=
BR>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SI=
ZE: 12pt"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma>
<HR SIZE=3D1>
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> K D Patten &lt;kdpatt=
en@yahoo.com&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Loo=
pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Se=
nt:</SPAN></B> Wed, October 13, 2010 3:01:45 AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-W=
EIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: OT where are you in the world<BR></FON=
T><BR>
<TABLE border=3D0 cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=3Dtop><SPAN style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Just=
 out side of Des Moines&nbsp; Iowa.............Der..is that dude play'n to =
a tape??.....hey...man!! play some "skynard" !!</SPAN><BR><BR>
<DIV>
<ADDRESS style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: b=
old"><FONT color=3D#bf00bf size=3D2>Kyle Dean Patten</FONT></ADDRESS>
<ADDRESS style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,1=
28,255); FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><FONT size=3D2>P.O. Box 22</FONT></ADDRESS>
<ADDRESS style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,1=
28,255); FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><FONT size=3D2>Johnston, IA&nbsp; 50131<BR><BR =
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old"><FONT style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb=
(0,128,255); FONT-WEIGHT: bold" size=3D5><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><SP=
AN><SPAN><A href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc" rel=3Dnof=
ollow target=3D_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc</A></SPA=
N></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D2> <BR></FONT></ADDRESS>
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//www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>http://www.cdb=
aby.com/cd/kdpatten</A></SPAN></SPAN><BR><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: rgb(0,128,25=
5)"><SPAN><SPAN><A href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten" rel=3Dnof=
ollow target=3D_blank>http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten</A> </SPAN></SP=
AN></SPAN><BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT s=
tyle=3D"FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, new york, times, serif; COLOR: rgb(255,0,255);=
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/in/kyledeanpatten" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>http://www.linkedin.com/=
in/kyledeanpatten</A></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: tahom=
a, new york, times, serif; COLOR: rgb(128,192,255); FONT-WEIGHT: bold" size=
=3D2><FONT style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, new york, times, serif; COLOR: rgb=
(255,0,255)" size=3D2><FONT
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NT><FONT style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(128=
,192,255); FONT-WEIGHT: bold" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><SPAN=
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><A href=3D"http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/GWQuiz/Testindex.html" re=
l=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank><BR></A></ADDRESS></DIV><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 10/=
12/10, William Walker <I>&lt;billwalker@baymoon.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: William Walker &lt;billwalker@baymoon.com&g=
t;<BR>Subject: OT where are you in the world<BR>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers=
-delight.com<BR>Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 10:07 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dyiv1198357413yiv2006002527plainMail>I'm sure&nbsp; this questi=
on was posed before but where does everyone live? I'm curious to get a brea=
k down on the current&nbsp; list members about where they live,&nbsp; what =
their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of&nbsp; our global c=
ommunity. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd like to f=
ind that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about but I want=
 to see what countries are currently represented.<BR>thanks<BR>bill<BR><BR>=
</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV></DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></D=
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     After an incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,
all the loopers are finally in bed asleep.

They came as early as 1 o'clock (Randolf Ariola from Singapore)
and as late as 1 a.m. (Leander Reininghaus from Berlin).

All day long we've had wonderful stimulating conversations punctuated
by the constant stream (on the average of one every 10 or 15 mintues)
of small fires that I needed to put out.

Chris and Nancy and Bill and I worked all day to make sure everyone
was comfortable and there is now a tiny global village in my neighborhood.
Two loopers will sleep across the street;  two at the house next door,
eleven in the empty house that my gracious and generous neighbor, Mark 
Riley donated
(he got married to a woman in the neighborhood, moved in with her and 
his old house
is completely empty).  Thirteen people are sleeping at our compound 
(eleven of them loopers)

I went and bought 5 sleeping bags and 11 air mattresses to augment the huge
amount of sleeping bags and mattresses lent us by friends, family and 
neighbors.

Our washing machine died on us day before yesterday and we now have a brand
new one winging it's way to us tomorrow (of course, delivery is just as 
all ten loopers
get ready for their trip to the first San Jose concert and Bill and I 
prepare for our
15th anniversary of the 1st digital live looping monthly series 
performance at
Mobo Sushi..........a venue that hasn't had live music in ten years but 
which is opening
it's doors up to this historic occasion.

I'm so buzzed that I can't sleep but the house is so full of sleeping 
people
that I have to be really careful not to disturb anyone.

Tomorrow it begins...............the 10th Anniversary of this wonderful 
festival.
Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is here doing a documentary film on the whole 
weeks'
proceedings and I'm very excited.

Tomorrow I actually may have a half an hour to try and get some kind of 
performance together.
There's been no time to think music until right now.

Awesome!!!!!!!   Everyone's here!!!!!

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I live in Adelaide, South Australia.  Been here most of my 36 years.  My
neighbours are pretty good as I've never had a complaint.  Or they're really
scared from the weird sounds that permeate from my abode.  haha.  This
includes me tweaking guitar and bass sounds at loud volumes.  :)

Ritchie

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I live in Adelaide, South Australia. =A0Been here most of my 36 years. =A0M=
y neighbours are pretty good as I&#39;ve never had a complaint. =A0Or they&=
#39;re really scared from the weird sounds that permeate from my abode. =A0=
haha. =A0This includes me tweaking guitar and bass sounds at loud volumes. =
=A0:)<div>
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?Well done Rick!  Best wishes to all.

--------------------------------------------------
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>
>     After an incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,
> all the loopers are finally in bed asleep.
>
> They came as early as 1 o'clock (Randolf Ariola from Singapore)
> and as late as 1 a.m. (Leander Reininghaus from Berlin).
>
> All day long we've had wonderful stimulating conversations punctuated
> by the constant stream (on the average of one every 10 or 15 mintues)
> of small fires that I needed to put out.
>
> Chris and Nancy and Bill and I worked all day to make sure everyone
> was comfortable and there is now a tiny global village in my neighborhood.
> Two loopers will sleep across the street;  two at the house next door,
> eleven in the empty house that my gracious and generous neighbor, Mark 
> Riley donated
> (he got married to a woman in the neighborhood, moved in with her and his 
> old house
> is completely empty).  Thirteen people are sleeping at our compound 
> (eleven of them loopers)
>
> I went and bought 5 sleeping bags and 11 air mattresses to augment the 
> huge
> amount of sleeping bags and mattresses lent us by friends, family and 
> neighbors.
>
> Our washing machine died on us day before yesterday and we now have a 
> brand
> new one winging it's way to us tomorrow (of course, delivery is just as 
> all ten loopers
> get ready for their trip to the first San Jose concert and Bill and I 
> prepare for our
> 15th anniversary of the 1st digital live looping monthly series 
> performance at
> Mobo Sushi..........a venue that hasn't had live music in ten years but 
> which is opening
> it's doors up to this historic occasion.
>
> I'm so buzzed that I can't sleep but the house is so full of sleeping 
> people
> that I have to be really careful not to disturb anyone.
>
> Tomorrow it begins...............the 10th Anniversary of this wonderful 
> festival.
> Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is here doing a documentary film on the whole 
> weeks'
> proceedings and I'm very excited.
>
> Tomorrow I actually may have a half an hour to try and get some kind of 
> performance together.
> There's been no time to think music until right now.
>
> Awesome!!!!!!!   Everyone's here!!!!! 

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Happy looping to everyone at or on your way to, Santa Cruz for the festival. 
I suupose it goes without saying that I wish I could be there, but I'm glad 
that so many of you could make it and I know that you will all have a great 
time.

Love and best wishes to you all,

Steve

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>     After an incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,
> all the loopers are finally in bed asleep.
> 

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Blessings on you all,. Have a fantastic festival. I'm with you in spirit!
Keep up the stream of info for the rest of us.

Will there be audio or video streaming?

Warren

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Blessings on you all,. Have a fantastic festival. I&#39;m with you in spirit! Keep up the stream of info for the rest of us.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Will there be audio or video streaming?</div><div class="gmail_quote">
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Warren</div>

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I could hear the snoring all the way from Geneva:-) Shoould loop it



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Blessings on you all,. Have a fantastic festival. I'm with you in spirit! Keep 
up the stream of info for the rest of us.


Will there be audio or video streaming?

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Blessings on you all,. Have a fantastic festival. I'm with you in spirit! Keep up the stream of info for the rest of us.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Will there be audio or video streaming?</div><div class="gmail_quote">
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Agreed - have a great one

Matt Stevens
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On 13 Oct 2010, at 13:24, Gareth Whittock wrote:

> Wonderful Rick - What a monumental task - you are an inspiration to  
> us all!
>
> ~Peace
>
> Gareth
>
> > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 03:16:18 -0700
> > From: looppool@cruzio.com
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Y2K-X BEGINS
> >
> > After an incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,
> > all the loopers are finally in bed asleep.
> >
> > They came as early as 1 o'clock (Randolf Ariola from Singapore)
> > and as late as 1 a.m. (Leander Reininghaus from Berlin).
> >
> > All day long we've had wonderful stimulating conversations  
> punctuated
> > by the constant stream (on the average of one every 10 or 15  
> mintues)
> > of small fires that I needed to put out.
> >
> > Chris and Nancy and Bill and I worked all day to make sure everyone
> > was comfortable and there is now a tiny global village in my  
> neighborhood.
> > Two loopers will sleep across the street; two at the house next  
> door,
> > eleven in the empty house that my gracious and generous neighbor,  
> Mark
> > Riley donated
> > (he got married to a woman in the neighborhood, moved in with her  
> and
> > his old house
> > is completely empty). Thirteen people are sleeping at our compound
> > (eleven of them loopers)
> >
> > I went and bought 5 sleeping bags and 11 air mattresses to  
> augment the huge
> > amount of sleeping bags and mattresses lent us by friends, family  
> and
> > neighbors.
> >
> > Our washing machine died on us day before yesterday and we now  
> have a brand
> > new one winging it's way to us tomorrow (of course, delivery is  
> just as
> > all ten loopers
> > get ready for their trip to the first San Jose concert and Bill  
> and I
> > prepare for our
> > 15th anniversary of the 1st digital live looping monthly series
> > performance at
> > Mobo Sushi..........a venue that hasn't had live music in ten  
> years but
> > which is opening
> > it's doors up to this historic occasion.
> >
> > I'm so buzzed that I can't sleep but the house is so full of  
> sleeping
> > people
> > that I have to be really careful not to disturb anyone.
> >
> > Tomorrow it begins...............the 10th Anniversary of this  
> wonderful
> > festival.
> > Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is here doing a documentary film on the  
> whole
> > weeks'
> > proceedings and I'm very excited.
> >
> > Tomorrow I actually may have a half an hour to try and get some  
> kind of
> > performance together.
> > There's been no time to think music until right now.
> >
> > Awesome!!!!!!! Everyone's here!!!!!
> >


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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 03:16:18 -0700<br>&gt; From: <a =
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<a =
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s-delight.com</a><br>&gt; Subject: Y2K-X BEGINS<br>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; After an =
incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,<br>&gt; all the loopers are =
finally in bed asleep.<br>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; They came as early =
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a.m. (Leander Reininghaus from Berlin).<br>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; All day long we've =
had wonderful stimulating conversations punctuated<br>&gt; by the =
constant stream (on the average of one every 10 or 15 mintues)<br>&gt; =
of small fires that I needed to put out.<br>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&gt; Chris and Nancy =
and Bill and I worked all day to make sure everyone<br>&gt; was =
comfortable and there is now a tiny global village in my =
neighborhood.<br>&gt; Two loopers will sleep across the street; two at =
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Rick,

I'll be saying a little prayer for you Rick.

I am looking forward to seeing you all and being there.

I am already scheduled to help Chris Cohn with the door sometime this  
weekend.

If there is any other way I can help out let me know.

See you soon.

Best,

Ted


On Oct 13, 2010, at 3:16 AM, Rick Walker wrote:

>    After an incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,
> all the loopers are finally in bed asleep.
>
> They came as early as 1 o'clock (Randolf Ariola from Singapore)
> and as late as 1 a.m. (Leander Reininghaus from Berlin).
>
> All day long we've had wonderful stimulating conversations punctuated
> by the constant stream (on the average of one every 10 or 15 mintues)
> of small fires that I needed to put out.
>
> Chris and Nancy and Bill and I worked all day to make sure everyone
> was comfortable and there is now a tiny global village in my  
> neighborhood.
> Two loopers will sleep across the street;  two at the house next door,
> eleven in the empty house that my gracious and generous neighbor,  
> Mark Riley donated
> (he got married to a woman in the neighborhood, moved in with her  
> and his old house
> is completely empty).  Thirteen people are sleeping at our compound  
> (eleven of them loopers)
>
> I went and bought 5 sleeping bags and 11 air mattresses to augment  
> the huge
> amount of sleeping bags and mattresses lent us by friends, family  
> and neighbors.
>
> Our washing machine died on us day before yesterday and we now have  
> a brand
> new one winging it's way to us tomorrow (of course, delivery is just  
> as all ten loopers
> get ready for their trip to the first San Jose concert and Bill and  
> I prepare for our
> 15th anniversary of the 1st digital live looping monthly series  
> performance at
> Mobo Sushi..........a venue that hasn't had live music in ten years  
> but which is opening
> it's doors up to this historic occasion.
>
> I'm so buzzed that I can't sleep but the house is so full of  
> sleeping people
> that I have to be really careful not to disturb anyone.
>
> Tomorrow it begins...............the 10th Anniversary of this  
> wonderful festival.
> Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is here doing a documentary film on the  
> whole weeks'
> proceedings and I'm very excited.
>
> Tomorrow I actually may have a half an hour to try and get some kind  
> of performance together.
> There's been no time to think music until right now.
>
> Awesome!!!!!!!   Everyone's here!!!!!

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Laramie, Wyoming (at 7200+ feet, I'm probably the highest!).

~Dennis

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On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Dustbunnies <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:
> At 7:10 AM +0900 10/13/10, Philip wrote:
>>
>> I'm an American living in Korea Town, Osaka (Japan)
>
> Whoa, bloody hell. =A0Nihon represent, yo!
>
> Now if we can just get Sunao in Kobe to respond and then maybe find someb=
ody
> in Kyoto, we'll pretty much have Kansai covered. =A0:D
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m.
> --
> _____
> "i've got no houston to wind down to. i've got no protocol...."
>
>

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Outstanding, Rick. You are doing a spectacular and superb job, as usual.  I 
am amazed at the international presense at this year's festival, and the 
number of parallel shows going on.  See you early Saturday.
Kris

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Peace and looping
J.D.Devros

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Cheers to you Rick!! Great to meet you last night, see you today soon!

Jeff

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

>    After an incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,
> all the loopers are finally in bed asleep.
>
> They came as early as 1 o'clock (Randolf Ariola from Singapore)
> and as late as 1 a.m. (Leander Reininghaus from Berlin).
>
> All day long we've had wonderful stimulating conversations punctuated
> by the constant stream (on the average of one every 10 or 15 mintues)
> of small fires that I needed to put out.
>
> Chris and Nancy and Bill and I worked all day to make sure everyone
> was comfortable and there is now a tiny global village in my neighborhood.
> Two loopers will sleep across the street;  two at the house next door,
> eleven in the empty house that my gracious and generous neighbor, Mark
> Riley donated
> (he got married to a woman in the neighborhood, moved in with her and his
> old house
> is completely empty).  Thirteen people are sleeping at our compound (eleven
> of them loopers)
>
> I went and bought 5 sleeping bags and 11 air mattresses to augment the huge
> amount of sleeping bags and mattresses lent us by friends, family and
> neighbors.
>
> Our washing machine died on us day before yesterday and we now have a brand
> new one winging it's way to us tomorrow (of course, delivery is just as all
> ten loopers
> get ready for their trip to the first San Jose concert and Bill and I
> prepare for our
> 15th anniversary of the 1st digital live looping monthly series performance
> at
> Mobo Sushi..........a venue that hasn't had live music in ten years but
> which is opening
> it's doors up to this historic occasion.
>
> I'm so buzzed that I can't sleep but the house is so full of sleeping
> people
> that I have to be really careful not to disturb anyone.
>
> Tomorrow it begins...............the 10th Anniversary of this wonderful
> festival.
> Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is here doing a documentary film on the whole
> weeks'
> proceedings and I'm very excited.
>
> Tomorrow I actually may have a half an hour to try and get some kind of
> performance together.
> There's been no time to think music until right now.
>
> Awesome!!!!!!!   Everyone's here!!!!!
>

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Cheers to you Rick!! Great to meet you last night, see you today soon!<br><=
br>Jeff<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:16 AM, =
Rick Walker <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:looppool@cruzio.com">lo=
oppool@cruzio.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> =A0 =A0After an =
incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,<br>
all the loopers are finally in bed asleep.<br>
<br>
They came as early as 1 o&#39;clock (Randolf Ariola from Singapore)<br>
and as late as 1 a.m. (Leander Reininghaus from Berlin).<br>
<br>
All day long we&#39;ve had wonderful stimulating conversations punctuated<b=
r>
by the constant stream (on the average of one every 10 or 15 mintues)<br>
of small fires that I needed to put out.<br>
<br>
Chris and Nancy and Bill and I worked all day to make sure everyone<br>
was comfortable and there is now a tiny global village in my neighborhood.<=
br>
Two loopers will sleep across the street; =A0two at the house next door,<br=
>
eleven in the empty house that my gracious and generous neighbor, Mark Rile=
y donated<br>
(he got married to a woman in the neighborhood, moved in with her and his o=
ld house<br>
is completely empty). =A0Thirteen people are sleeping at our compound (elev=
en of them loopers)<br>
<br>
I went and bought 5 sleeping bags and 11 air mattresses to augment the huge=
<br>
amount of sleeping bags and mattresses lent us by friends, family and neigh=
bors.<br>
<br>
Our washing machine died on us day before yesterday and we now have a brand=
<br>
new one winging it&#39;s way to us tomorrow (of course, delivery is just as=
 all ten loopers<br>
get ready for their trip to the first San Jose concert and Bill and I prepa=
re for our<br>
15th anniversary of the 1st digital live looping monthly series performance=
 at<br>
Mobo Sushi..........a venue that hasn&#39;t had live music in ten years but=
 which is opening<br>
it&#39;s doors up to this historic occasion.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m so buzzed that I can&#39;t sleep but the house is so full of sleepi=
ng people<br>
that I have to be really careful not to disturb anyone.<br>
<br>
Tomorrow it begins...............the 10th Anniversary of this wonderful fes=
tival.<br>
Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is here doing a documentary film on the whole wee=
ks&#39;<br>
proceedings and I&#39;m very excited.<br>
<br>
Tomorrow I actually may have a half an hour to try and get some kind of per=
formance together.<br>
There&#39;s been no time to think music until right now.<br>
<br>
Awesome!!!!!!! =A0 Everyone&#39;s here!!!!!<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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=A0
I'm=A0in Kitchener/Waterloo, Ontario=A0- which is currently in the thrall o=
f Oktoberfest (drunk tourists & students=A0pretending they're German - ugh)=
.
=A0
Saaa-lute!=A0 (a=A0Hee Haw reference=A0if people are wondering...)
=A0
=A0
ted h.

Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog

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From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
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I'm sure=A0 this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'=
m curious to get a break down on the current=A0 list members about where th=
ey live,=A0 what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of=
=A0 our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another count=
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about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
thanks
bill

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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
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<DIV>I'm&nbsp;in Kitchener/Waterloo, Ontario&nbsp;- which is currently in t=
he thrall of Oktoberfest (drunk tourists &amp; students&nbsp;pretending the=
y're German - ugh).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Saaa-lute!&nbsp; (a&nbsp;Hee Haw reference&nbsp;if people are wonderin=
g...)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>ted h.<BR><BR>Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog<BR><=
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;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
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t;<BR>Subject: OT where are you in the world<BR>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers=
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<DIV class=3DplainMail>I'm sure&nbsp; this question was posed before but wh=
ere does everyone live? I'm curious to get a break down on the current&nbsp=
; list members about where they live,&nbsp; what their citizenship is etc..=
 Just trying to get a sense of&nbsp; our global community. Also if you are =
an ex-pat living in another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many=
 of you I already know this info about but I want to see what countries are=
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Apparently  Leinhos, Peter is from "out of the office".
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great news Rick ill be arriving on friday looking orward to metting u all!
Luis

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:

> I love the image if all the little sleeping loopers!
>
> Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Cheers to you Rick!! Great to meet you last night, see you today soon!
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
> >
> >>    After an incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,
> >> all the loopers are finally in bed asleep.
> >>
> >> They came as early as 1 o'clock (Randolf Ariola from Singapore)
> >> and as late as 1 a.m. (Leander Reininghaus from Berlin).
> >>
> >> All day long we've had wonderful stimulating conversations punctuated
> >> by the constant stream (on the average of one every 10 or 15 mintues)
> >> of small fires that I needed to put out.
> >>
> >> Chris and Nancy and Bill and I worked all day to make sure everyone
> >> was comfortable and there is now a tiny global village in my
> neighborhood.
> >> Two loopers will sleep across the street;  two at the house next door,
> >> eleven in the empty house that my gracious and generous neighbor, Mark
> >> Riley donated
> >> (he got married to a woman in the neighborhood, moved in with her and
> his
> >> old house
> >> is completely empty).  Thirteen people are sleeping at our compound
> (eleven
> >> of them loopers)
> >>
> >> I went and bought 5 sleeping bags and 11 air mattresses to augment the
> huge
> >> amount of sleeping bags and mattresses lent us by friends, family and
> >> neighbors.
> >>
> >> Our washing machine died on us day before yesterday and we now have a
> brand
> >> new one winging it's way to us tomorrow (of course, delivery is just as
> all
> >> ten loopers
> >> get ready for their trip to the first San Jose concert and Bill and I
> >> prepare for our
> >> 15th anniversary of the 1st digital live looping monthly series
> performance
> >> at
> >> Mobo Sushi..........a venue that hasn't had live music in ten years but
> >> which is opening
> >> it's doors up to this historic occasion.
> >>
> >> I'm so buzzed that I can't sleep but the house is so full of sleeping
> >> people
> >> that I have to be really careful not to disturb anyone.
> >>
> >> Tomorrow it begins...............the 10th Anniversary of this wonderful
> >> festival.
> >> Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is here doing a documentary film on the whole
> >> weeks'
> >> proceedings and I'm very excited.
> >>
> >> Tomorrow I actually may have a half an hour to try and get some kind of
> >> performance together.
> >> There's been no time to think music until right now.
> >>
> >> Awesome!!!!!!!   Everyone's here!!!!!
> >>
>

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great news Rick ill be arriving on friday looking orward to metting u all!<=
br>Luis<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:05 AM,=
 Zoe Keating <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:info@zoekeating.com">i=
nfo@zoekeating.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">I love the image =
if all the little sleeping loopers!<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
Jeff Duke &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeffloops@gmail.com">jeffloops@gmail.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;Cheers to you Rick!! Great to meet you last night, see you today soon!<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Jeff<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Rick Walker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loop=
pool@cruzio.com">looppool@cruzio.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =A0 =A0After an incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,<br>
&gt;&gt; all the loopers are finally in bed asleep.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; They came as early as 1 o&#39;clock (Randolf Ariola from Singapore=
)<br>
&gt;&gt; and as late as 1 a.m. (Leander Reininghaus from Berlin).<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; All day long we&#39;ve had wonderful stimulating conversations pun=
ctuated<br>
&gt;&gt; by the constant stream (on the average of one every 10 or 15 mintu=
es)<br>
&gt;&gt; of small fires that I needed to put out.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Chris and Nancy and Bill and I worked all day to make sure everyon=
e<br>
&gt;&gt; was comfortable and there is now a tiny global village in my neigh=
borhood.<br>
&gt;&gt; Two loopers will sleep across the street; =A0two at the house next=
 door,<br>
&gt;&gt; eleven in the empty house that my gracious and generous neighbor, =
Mark<br>
&gt;&gt; Riley donated<br>
&gt;&gt; (he got married to a woman in the neighborhood, moved in with her =
and his<br>
&gt;&gt; old house<br>
&gt;&gt; is completely empty). =A0Thirteen people are sleeping at our compo=
und (eleven<br>
&gt;&gt; of them loopers)<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I went and bought 5 sleeping bags and 11 air mattresses to augment=
 the huge<br>
&gt;&gt; amount of sleeping bags and mattresses lent us by friends, family =
and<br>
&gt;&gt; neighbors.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Our washing machine died on us day before yesterday and we now hav=
e a brand<br>
&gt;&gt; new one winging it&#39;s way to us tomorrow (of course, delivery i=
s just as all<br>
&gt;&gt; ten loopers<br>
&gt;&gt; get ready for their trip to the first San Jose concert and Bill an=
d I<br>
&gt;&gt; prepare for our<br>
&gt;&gt; 15th anniversary of the 1st digital live looping monthly series pe=
rformance<br>
&gt;&gt; at<br>
&gt;&gt; Mobo Sushi..........a venue that hasn&#39;t had live music in ten =
years but<br>
&gt;&gt; which is opening<br>
&gt;&gt; it&#39;s doors up to this historic occasion.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I&#39;m so buzzed that I can&#39;t sleep but the house is so full =
of sleeping<br>
&gt;&gt; people<br>
&gt;&gt; that I have to be really careful not to disturb anyone.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Tomorrow it begins...............the 10th Anniversary of this wond=
erful<br>
&gt;&gt; festival.<br>
&gt;&gt; Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is here doing a documentary film on the =
whole<br>
&gt;&gt; weeks&#39;<br>
&gt;&gt; proceedings and I&#39;m very excited.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Tomorrow I actually may have a half an hour to try and get some ki=
nd of<br>
&gt;&gt; performance together.<br>
&gt;&gt; There&#39;s been no time to think music until right now.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Awesome!!!!!!! =A0 Everyone&#39;s here!!!!!<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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Look forward to playing and meeting you all Thursday!

- Daniel=20

_____________________

Daniel Berkman | Colfax | Kora=20
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On Oct 13, 2010, at 6:17 AM, tEd =C2=AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wro=
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> Rick,
>=20
> I'll be saying a little prayer for you Rick.
>=20
> I am looking forward to seeing you all and being there.
>=20
> I am already scheduled to help Chris Cohn with the door sometime this week=
end.
>=20
> If there is any other way I can help out let me know.
>=20
> See you soon.
>=20
> Best,
>=20
> Ted
>=20
>=20
> On Oct 13, 2010, at 3:16 AM, Rick Walker wrote:
>=20
>>   After an incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,
>> all the loopers are finally in bed asleep.
>>=20
>> They came as early as 1 o'clock (Randolf Ariola from Singapore)
>> and as late as 1 a.m. (Leander Reininghaus from Berlin).
>>=20
>> All day long we've had wonderful stimulating conversations punctuated
>> by the constant stream (on the average of one every 10 or 15 mintues)
>> of small fires that I needed to put out.
>>=20
>> Chris and Nancy and Bill and I worked all day to make sure everyone
>> was comfortable and there is now a tiny global village in my neighborhood=
.
>> Two loopers will sleep across the street;  two at the house next door,
>> eleven in the empty house that my gracious and generous neighbor, Mark Ri=
ley donated
>> (he got married to a woman in the neighborhood, moved in with her and his=
 old house
>> is completely empty).  Thirteen people are sleeping at our compound (elev=
en of them loopers)
>>=20
>> I went and bought 5 sleeping bags and 11 air mattresses to augment the hu=
ge
>> amount of sleeping bags and mattresses lent us by friends, family and nei=
ghbors.
>>=20
>> Our washing machine died on us day before yesterday and we now have a bra=
nd
>> new one winging it's way to us tomorrow (of course, delivery is just as a=
ll ten loopers
>> get ready for their trip to the first San Jose concert and Bill and I pre=
pare for our
>> 15th anniversary of the 1st digital live looping monthly series performan=
ce at
>> Mobo Sushi..........a venue that hasn't had live music in ten years but w=
hich is opening
>> it's doors up to this historic occasion.
>>=20
>> I'm so buzzed that I can't sleep but the house is so full of sleeping peo=
ple
>> that I have to be really careful not to disturb anyone.
>>=20
>> Tomorrow it begins...............the 10th Anniversary of this wonderful f=
estival.
>> Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is here doing a documentary film on the whole w=
eeks'
>> proceedings and I'm very excited.
>>=20
>> Tomorrow I actually may have a half an hour to try and get some kind of p=
erformance together.
>> There's been no time to think music until right now.
>>=20
>> Awesome!!!!!!!   Everyone's here!!!!!
>=20

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Freiburg, Southern Germany, right next to the Black Forest.


William Walker schrieb:
> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? 
> I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members about 
> where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a 
> sense of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in 
> another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I 
> already know this info about but I want to see what countries are 
> currently represented.
> thanks
>  bill
>
>
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Best wishes to you all, have a wonderful time!

Rick Walker schrieb:
>     After an incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,
> all the loopers are finally in bed asleep.
>
> They came as early as 1 o'clock (Randolf Ariola from Singapore)
> and as late as 1 a.m. (Leander Reininghaus from Berlin).
>
> All day long we've had wonderful stimulating conversations punctuated
> by the constant stream (on the average of one every 10 or 15 mintues)
> of small fires that I needed to put out.
>
> Chris and Nancy and Bill and I worked all day to make sure everyone
> was comfortable and there is now a tiny global village in my 
> neighborhood.
> Two loopers will sleep across the street;  two at the house next door,
> eleven in the empty house that my gracious and generous neighbor, Mark 
> Riley donated
> (he got married to a woman in the neighborhood, moved in with her and 
> his old house
> is completely empty).  Thirteen people are sleeping at our compound 
> (eleven of them loopers)
>
> I went and bought 5 sleeping bags and 11 air mattresses to augment the 
> huge
> amount of sleeping bags and mattresses lent us by friends, family and 
> neighbors.
>
> Our washing machine died on us day before yesterday and we now have a 
> brand
> new one winging it's way to us tomorrow (of course, delivery is just 
> as all ten loopers
> get ready for their trip to the first San Jose concert and Bill and I 
> prepare for our
> 15th anniversary of the 1st digital live looping monthly series 
> performance at
> Mobo Sushi..........a venue that hasn't had live music in ten years 
> but which is opening
> it's doors up to this historic occasion.
>
> I'm so buzzed that I can't sleep but the house is so full of sleeping 
> people
> that I have to be really careful not to disturb anyone.
>
> Tomorrow it begins...............the 10th Anniversary of this 
> wonderful festival.
> Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is here doing a documentary film on the 
> whole weeks'
> proceedings and I'm very excited.
>
> Tomorrow I actually may have a half an hour to try and get some kind 
> of performance together.
> There's been no time to think music until right now.
>
> Awesome!!!!!!!   Everyone's here!!!!!
>
>


-- 
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got me beat by 600 feet.  we are at 6666 ft here in west yellowstone.

time

--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: OT where are you in the world
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 9:11 AM
> Laramie, Wyoming (at 7200+ feet, I'm
> probably the highest!).
>=20
> ~Dennis
>=20
> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
> http://audiozoloft.com
> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Dustbunnies <mech@m3ch.net>
> wrote:
> > At 7:10 AM +0900 10/13/10, Philip wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm an American living in Korea Town, Osaka
> (Japan)
> >
> > Whoa, bloody hell. =A0Nihon represent, yo!
> >
> > Now if we can just get Sunao in Kobe to respond and
> then maybe find somebody
> > in Kyoto, we'll pretty much have Kansai covered. =A0:D
> >
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m.
> > --
> > _____
> > "i've got no houston to wind down to. i've got no
> protocol...."
> >
> >
>=20
> =0A=0A

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Excellent news! Rick, I vote for you as the president of the current
international live looping movement :) It's a pity I can't join you
this yea but I say hello from Antwerp and wish you all a fantastic
Y2K10! :)
-- 
Sjaak Overgaauw
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http://livelooping.be/

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Yay! Thanks for the update for those who can't be there.

Good luck with all. Can't wait to see/hear what comes out of the festival.

And thanks for all the work you've put into it. Many thanks.

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On Oct 13, 2010, at 6:16 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

>    After an incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,
> all the loopers are finally in bed asleep.
> 
> They came as early as 1 o'clock (Randolf Ariola from Singapore)
> and as late as 1 a.m. (Leander Reininghaus from Berlin).
> 
> All day long we've had wonderful stimulating conversations punctuated
> by the constant stream (on the average of one every 10 or 15 mintues)
> of small fires that I needed to put out.
> 
> Chris and Nancy and Bill and I worked all day to make sure everyone
> was comfortable and there is now a tiny global village in my neighborhood.
> Two loopers will sleep across the street;  two at the house next door,
> eleven in the empty house that my gracious and generous neighbor, Mark Riley donated
> (he got married to a woman in the neighborhood, moved in with her and his old house
> is completely empty).  Thirteen people are sleeping at our compound (eleven of them loopers)
> 
> I went and bought 5 sleeping bags and 11 air mattresses to augment the huge
> amount of sleeping bags and mattresses lent us by friends, family and neighbors.
> 
> Our washing machine died on us day before yesterday and we now have a brand
> new one winging it's way to us tomorrow (of course, delivery is just as all ten loopers
> get ready for their trip to the first San Jose concert and Bill and I prepare for our
> 15th anniversary of the 1st digital live looping monthly series performance at
> Mobo Sushi..........a venue that hasn't had live music in ten years but which is opening
> it's doors up to this historic occasion.
> 
> I'm so buzzed that I can't sleep but the house is so full of sleeping people
> that I have to be really careful not to disturb anyone.
> 
> Tomorrow it begins...............the 10th Anniversary of this wonderful festival.
> Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is here doing a documentary film on the whole weeks'
> proceedings and I'm very excited.
> 
> Tomorrow I actually may have a half an hour to try and get some kind of performance together.
> There's been no time to think music until right now.
> 
> Awesome!!!!!!!   Everyone's here!!!!!
> 

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Zoe! wonderful show lastnite @ Yoshis here in town. that damn rattling(broken) p.a. spkr tho was driving me nuts on those lo tones...you probably couldnt hear it-it was foh...
good to see some looper guys there too-Sean E. playing busdriver was in good spirits.
hopefully we can get half the crowd you had for a future loopfest :-)


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>From: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
>Sent: Oct 13, 2010 10:05 AM
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>I love the image if all the little sleeping loopers!
>
>Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Cheers to you Rick!! Great to meet you last night, see you today soon!
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>
>>>    After an incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,
>>> all the loopers are finally in bed asleep.
>>>
>>> They came as early as 1 o'clock (Randolf Ariola from Singapore)
>>> and as late as 1 a.m. (Leander Reininghaus from Berlin).
>>>
>>> All day long we've had wonderful stimulating conversations punctuated
>>> by the constant stream (on the average of one every 10 or 15 mintues)
>>> of small fires that I needed to put out.
>>>
>>> Chris and Nancy and Bill and I worked all day to make sure everyone
>>> was comfortable and there is now a tiny global village in my neighborhood.
>>> Two loopers will sleep across the street;  two at the house next door,
>>> eleven in the empty house that my gracious and generous neighbor, Mark
>>> Riley donated
>>> (he got married to a woman in the neighborhood, moved in with her and his
>>> old house
>>> is completely empty).  Thirteen people are sleeping at our compound (eleven
>>> of them loopers)
>>>
>>> I went and bought 5 sleeping bags and 11 air mattresses to augment the huge
>>> amount of sleeping bags and mattresses lent us by friends, family and
>>> neighbors.
>>>
>>> Our washing machine died on us day before yesterday and we now have a brand
>>> new one winging it's way to us tomorrow (of course, delivery is just as all
>>> ten loopers
>>> get ready for their trip to the first San Jose concert and Bill and I
>>> prepare for our
>>> 15th anniversary of the 1st digital live looping monthly series performance
>>> at
>>> Mobo Sushi..........a venue that hasn't had live music in ten years but
>>> which is opening
>>> it's doors up to this historic occasion.
>>>
>>> I'm so buzzed that I can't sleep but the house is so full of sleeping
>>> people
>>> that I have to be really careful not to disturb anyone.
>>>
>>> Tomorrow it begins...............the 10th Anniversary of this wonderful
>>> festival.
>>> Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is here doing a documentary film on the whole
>>> weeks'
>>> proceedings and I'm very excited.
>>>
>>> Tomorrow I actually may have a half an hour to try and get some kind of
>>> performance together.
>>> There's been no time to think music until right now.
>>>
>>> Awesome!!!!!!!   Everyone's here!!!!!
>>>

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Perkasie, PA USA (north of Philadelphia)

grew up in Wyomissing, PA USA (hometown of Taylor Swift ;)

Good luck this week! wish I could be there......




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I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'm 
curious to get a break down on the current  list members about where they live,  
what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of  our global 
community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd like to find 
that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about but I want to see 
what countries are currently represented.
thanks
bill


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Perkasie, PA USA (north of Philadelphia)<br><br>grew up in Wyomissing, PA USA (hometown of Taylor Swift ;)<br><br>Good luck this week! wish I could be there......<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> William Walker &lt;billwalker@baymoon.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, October 12, 2010 11:07:51 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> OT where are you in the world<br></font><br>
I'm sure&nbsp; this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'm curious to get a break down on the current&nbsp; list members about where they live,&nbsp; what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of&nbsp; our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.<br>thanks<br> bill<br><br></div></div>
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Liked the brushes KD.  Gillette, WY orig from Des Moines, IA

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Liked the brushes KD.=A0 Gillette, WY orig from Des Moines, IA<br>

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ha,ha... me from beniarres (not india) in catalonia (not spain!)

2010/10/13 Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>:
> Apparently =A0Leinhos, Peter is from "out of the office".
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Thanks Adam.......i try to have fun ;-)

Kyle=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20


--- On Wed, 10/13/10, ^|>^m <will.it.go.round@gmail.com> wrote:

From: ^|>^m <will.it.go.round@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT where are you in the world
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 8:15 PM

Liked the brushes KD.=A0 Gillette, WY orig from Des Moines, IA
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Thanks <span class=3D"email">Adam.......i try=
 to have fun ;-)</span><br><br><div><address><font color=3D"#bf00bf" size=
=3D"2">Kyle&nbsp;</font><font style=3D"font-family: tahoma,new york,times,s=
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All, sounding great, bet it was a wonderful opening eve, very much
looking fwd to being there one slight obstacLe but think its gonna be
alright as the song goes.  Go Y2KX!

Jim

On 10/13/10, stanitarium@earthlink.net <stanitarium@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Zoe! wonderful show lastnite @ Yoshis here in town. that damn
> rattling(broken) p.a. spkr tho was driving me nuts on those lo tones...yo=
u
> probably couldnt hear it-it was foh...
> good to see some looper guys there too-Sean E. playing busdriver was in g=
ood
> spirits.
> hopefully we can get half the crowd you had for a future loopfest :-)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
>>Sent: Oct 13, 2010 10:05 AM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: Y2K-X BEGINS
>>
>>I love the image if all the little sleeping loopers!
>>
>>Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Cheers to you Rick!! Great to meet you last night, see you today soon!
>>>
>>>Jeff
>>>
>>>On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote=
:
>>>
>>>>    After an incredibly exhausting and exhilirating day,
>>>> all the loopers are finally in bed asleep.
>>>>
>>>> They came as early as 1 o'clock (Randolf Ariola from Singapore)
>>>> and as late as 1 a.m. (Leander Reininghaus from Berlin).
>>>>
>>>> All day long we've had wonderful stimulating conversations punctuated
>>>> by the constant stream (on the average of one every 10 or 15 mintues)
>>>> of small fires that I needed to put out.
>>>>
>>>> Chris and Nancy and Bill and I worked all day to make sure everyone
>>>> was comfortable and there is now a tiny global village in my
>>>> neighborhood.
>>>> Two loopers will sleep across the street;  two at the house next door,
>>>> eleven in the empty house that my gracious and generous neighbor, Mark
>>>> Riley donated
>>>> (he got married to a woman in the neighborhood, moved in with her and
>>>> his
>>>> old house
>>>> is completely empty).  Thirteen people are sleeping at our compound
>>>> (eleven
>>>> of them loopers)
>>>>
>>>> I went and bought 5 sleeping bags and 11 air mattresses to augment the
>>>> huge
>>>> amount of sleeping bags and mattresses lent us by friends, family and
>>>> neighbors.
>>>>
>>>> Our washing machine died on us day before yesterday and we now have a
>>>> brand
>>>> new one winging it's way to us tomorrow (of course, delivery is just a=
s
>>>> all
>>>> ten loopers
>>>> get ready for their trip to the first San Jose concert and Bill and I
>>>> prepare for our
>>>> 15th anniversary of the 1st digital live looping monthly series
>>>> performance
>>>> at
>>>> Mobo Sushi..........a venue that hasn't had live music in ten years bu=
t
>>>> which is opening
>>>> it's doors up to this historic occasion.
>>>>
>>>> I'm so buzzed that I can't sleep but the house is so full of sleeping
>>>> people
>>>> that I have to be really careful not to disturb anyone.
>>>>
>>>> Tomorrow it begins...............the 10th Anniversary of this wonderfu=
l
>>>> festival.
>>>> Mark Thorton (aka Arkmay) is here doing a documentary film on the whol=
e
>>>> weeks'
>>>> proceedings and I'm very excited.
>>>>
>>>> Tomorrow I actually may have a half an hour to try and get some kind o=
f
>>>> performance together.
>>>> There's been no time to think music until right now.
>>>>
>>>> Awesome!!!!!!!   Everyone's here!!!!!
>>>>
>
>

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jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

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sounds like it's going to be another wonderful festival this year. congrats
to you, mr walker, for keeping it going for so long! can't wait to see some
videos of the performances. all the best to you and all the other loopers
attending....wish i could be there with you all.

sim

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sounds like it&#39;s going to be another wonderful festival this year. cong=
rats to you, mr walker, for keeping it going for so long! can&#39;t wait to=
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<br>sim<br>

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  I'm such a vampire......................again,   all the musicians sleep
soundly and the only light in the entire house is the glow from
my laptop.

The show was wonderful tonight at Mobo Sushi.

So many people came (including all of the artists who were not
playing in Santa Cruz).

Bill, Gary and I played as 'Third Wave' for a glorious 2 hours in
the first performance at Mobo in 10 years.

All the sushi master chefs came up afterwards and thanked us
and Kevin , the manager made an unbelievable tray
of ridiculously beautiful and delicious shushi at the end of the night.

Additionally,  Kevin had us sample really incredible and rare Sakis
and Japanese beers at the end of the night.

Exhausted,  I look forward to tomorrow's first multiple artist performance
in Santa  Cruz (and the shows at Anno Domini in San Jose and the
Luggage Store  in San Francisco..


Creativity abounds..............all who are here are so fortunate,  
including me.


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you, a vamp? your dream huh...=20
I am still up, too, but only sucking red tea...
was fun playing at the galery, and amazing sound colors from everybody!
maybe the biggest surprise was the baloons...

Bob + crew maintained a great sound, thank you!

On 14 Oct 2010, at 04:03, Rick Walker wrote:

> I'm such a vampire......................again,   all the musicians =
sleep
> soundly and the only light in the entire house is the glow from
> my laptop.
>=20
> The show was wonderful tonight at Mobo Sushi.
>=20
> So many people came (including all of the artists who were not
> playing in Santa Cruz).
>=20
> Bill, Gary and I played as 'Third Wave' for a glorious 2 hours in
> the first performance at Mobo in 10 years.
>=20
> All the sushi master chefs came up afterwards and thanked us
> and Kevin , the manager made an unbelievable tray
> of ridiculously beautiful and delicious shushi at the end of the =
night.
>=20
> Additionally,  Kevin had us sample really incredible and rare Sakis
> and Japanese beers at the end of the night.
>=20
> Exhausted,  I look forward to tomorrow's first multiple artist =
performance
> in Santa  Cruz (and the shows at Anno Domini in San Jose and the
> Luggage Store  in San Francisco..
>=20
>=20
> Creativity abounds..............all who are here are so fortunate,  =
including me.
>=20
>=20

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Thanks, Rick -  I really wish I could be there, but I'm in the studio...

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

>  I'm such a vampire......................again,   all the musicians sleep
> soundly and the only light in the entire house is the glow from
> my laptop.
>
> The show was wonderful tonight at Mobo Sushi.
>
> So many people came (including all of the artists who were not
> playing in Santa Cruz).
>
> Bill, Gary and I played as 'Third Wave' for a glorious 2 hours in
> the first performance at Mobo in 10 years.
>
> All the sushi master chefs came up afterwards and thanked us
> and Kevin , the manager made an unbelievable tray
> of ridiculously beautiful and delicious shushi at the end of the night.
>
> Additionally,  Kevin had us sample really incredible and rare Sakis
> and Japanese beers at the end of the night.
>
> Exhausted,  I look forward to tomorrow's first multiple artist performance
> in Santa  Cruz (and the shows at Anno Domini in San Jose and the
> Luggage Store  in San Francisco..
>
>
> Creativity abounds..............all who are here are so fortunate,
>  including me.
>
>
>

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Thanks, Rick - =A0I really wish I could be there, but I&#39;m in the studio=
...<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Rick=
 Walker <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:looppool@cruzio.com">looppo=
ol@cruzio.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">=A0I&#39;m such a vampire..................=
....again, =A0 all the musicians sleep<br>
soundly and the only light in the entire house is the glow from<br>
my laptop.<br>
<br>
The show was wonderful tonight at Mobo Sushi.<br>
<br>
So many people came (including all of the artists who were not<br>
playing in Santa Cruz).<br>
<br>
Bill, Gary and I played as &#39;Third Wave&#39; for a glorious 2 hours in<b=
r>
the first performance at Mobo in 10 years.<br>
<br>
All the sushi master chefs came up afterwards and thanked us<br>
and Kevin , the manager made an unbelievable tray<br>
of ridiculously beautiful and delicious shushi at the end of the night.<br>
<br>
Additionally, =A0Kevin had us sample really incredible and rare Sakis<br>
and Japanese beers at the end of the night.<br>
<br>
Exhausted, =A0I look forward to tomorrow&#39;s first multiple artist perfor=
mance<br>
in Santa =A0Cruz (and the shows at Anno Domini in San Jose and the<br>
Luggage Store =A0in San Francisco..<br>
<br>
<br>
Creativity abounds..............all who are here are so fortunate, =A0inclu=
ding me.<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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Salvador Bahia Brasil

will you publish the result here? please?

thank you!
Matthias

On 12 Oct 2010, at 08:07, William Walker wrote:

> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? =
I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members about where =
they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense =
of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another =
country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know =
this info about but I want to see what countries are currently =
represented.
> thanks
> bill
>=20

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Hi Rick, sounds like a really exciting event! I'm new to looping and
this mailing list so would be good to maybe see some video's of you and
the other players to see how it should be done! Are the performances
being made video'd? Can anyone recommend any youtube vids for a
newbee???


=20

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  I'm such a vampire......................again,   all the musicians
sleep
soundly and the only light in the entire house is the glow from
my laptop.

The show was wonderful tonight at Mobo Sushi.

So many people came (including all of the artists who were not
playing in Santa Cruz).

Bill, Gary and I played as 'Third Wave' for a glorious 2 hours in
the first performance at Mobo in 10 years.

All the sushi master chefs came up afterwards and thanked us
and Kevin , the manager made an unbelievable tray
of ridiculously beautiful and delicious shushi at the end of the night.

Additionally,  Kevin had us sample really incredible and rare Sakis
and Japanese beers at the end of the night.

Exhausted,  I look forward to tomorrow's first multiple artist
performance
in Santa  Cruz (and the shows at Anno Domini in San Jose and the
Luggage Store  in San Francisco..


Creativity abounds..............all who are here are so fortunate, =20
including me.


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Maybe he's in- cognito




At 11:29 AM 10/13/2010, you wrote:
>Apparently  Leinhos, Peter is from "out of the office".
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Ocala, Florida.

J

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:07 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>wrote:

> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'm
> curious to get a break down on the current  list members about where they
> live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of  our
> global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd
> like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about
> but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
> thanks
>  bill
>

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Ocala, Florida. <br><br>J<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 12,=
 2010 at 8:07 AM, William Walker <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bi=
llwalker@baymoon.com">billwalker@baymoon.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-lef=
t: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I&#39;m sure =A0this question was posed before but where does everyone live=
? I&#39;m curious to get a break down on the current =A0list members about =
where they live, =A0what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a se=
nse of =A0our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another=
 country I&#39;d like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know =
this info about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.=
<br>

thanks<br>
=A0bill<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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well, I'm originally from Chile, but living mostly of the time in Italy and=
 some in India....

I have the feeling that I carry my "home" with me.....
lucho prado

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Ocala, Florida.=20

J

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:07 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wr=
ote:
=0AI'm sure =A0this question was posed before but where does everyone live?=
 I'm curious to get a break down on the current =A0list members about where=
 they live, =A0what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense o=
f =A0our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another coun=
try I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info=
 about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
=0A=0Athanks
=0A=A0bill
=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A      
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;">well, I'm originally from Chile, but living m=
ostly of the time in Italy and some in India....<div><br></div><div><div><b=
r></div><div>I have the feeling that I carry my "home" with me.....</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>lucho prado<br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 14/10/10, Jeff Duke <i>=
&lt;jeffloops@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-l=
eft: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>=
From: Jeff Duke &lt;jeffloops@gmail.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: OT where are yo=
u in the world<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>Received: Thur=
sday, 14 October, 2010, 4:32 PM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv92520952">Ocala, Flori=
da. <br><br>J<br><br><div class=3D"yiv92520952gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 12, =
2010 at 8:07 AM, William Walker <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" y=
mailto=3D"mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com" target=3D"_blank"
 href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dbillwalker@baymoon.com">billwalker@baymoon.com</a=
>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"yiv92520952gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex;">=0AI'm sure &nbsp;this question was posed before but where do=
es everyone live? I'm curious to get a break down on the current &nbsp;list=
 members about where they live, &nbsp;what their citizenship is etc.. Just =
trying to get a sense of &nbsp;our global community. Also if you are an ex-=
pat living in another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of yo=
u I already know this info about but I want to see what countries are curre=
ntly represented.<br>=0A=0Athanks<br>=0A&nbsp;bill<br>=0A</blockquote></div=
><br>=0A</div></blockquote></div></div></td></tr></table><br>=0A=0A=0A=0A  =
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  haven't been active here lately, but saw this and am also interested 
in knowing the result

i'm in dallas, tx, usa


> On 12 Oct 2010, at 08:07, William Walker wrote:
>
>> I'm sure  this question was posed before but where does everyone live? I'm curious to get a break down on the current  list members about where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of  our global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
>> thanks
>> bill
>>
>

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i have Keith bu as i said send it to my adress in San Diego
cheers

Luis





On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 4:52 PM, keith mcmillen <keefer07@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Who of you have ordered & paid for SoftSteps will be at LoopFest this
> weekend?
> We can bring you your SoftStep. Let me know.
>
> I do not know if we will have extras yet - we are still fulfilling the
> first 100
> purchasers. If you are going to be there and want to purchase and pick one
> up
> please contact me at:
>
> keith@keithmcmillen.com
>
> Sorry for the blatant commercial and practical nature of this email. Loop
> on.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith
>  Keith McMillen
> www.keithmcmillen.com
> www.beamfoundation.org
> "Music For A New Reason"
>
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i have Keith bu as i said send it to my adress in San Diego<br>cheers<br><b=
r>Luis<br><br><br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 12, 20=
10 at 4:52 PM, keith mcmillen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:keefe=
r07@yahoo.com">keefer07@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br>
<br>
Who of you have ordered &amp; paid for SoftSteps will be at LoopFest this w=
eekend?<br>
We can bring you your SoftStep. Let me know.<br>
<br>
I do not know if we will have extras yet - we are still fulfilling the firs=
t 100<br>
purchasers. If you are going to be there and want to purchase and pick one =
up<br>
please contact me at:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:keith@keithmcmillen.com">keith@keithmcmillen.com</a><br>
<br>
Sorry for the blatant commercial and practical nature of this email. Loop o=
n.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Keith<br>
<font color=3D"#888888">=A0Keith McMillen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.keithmcmillen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.keithmcmille=
n.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.beamfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">www.beamfoundat=
ion.org</a><br>
&quot;Music For A New Reason&quot;<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br>

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It was a great show Rick.

All of you outdid yourselves.

Glad I got to be there to see it.

The sushi wasn't bad either.

The only downer is that with multiple venues and simultaneous performances, there is necessarily stuff one is going to miss out on.

Well, it's another day...and I have to decide which performances I will attend tonight.

Decisions, decissions...

Cheers,

Ted

---- Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote: 

=============
  I'm such a vampire......................again,   all the musicians sleep
soundly and the only light in the entire house is the glow from
my laptop.

The show was wonderful tonight at Mobo Sushi.

So many people came (including all of the artists who were not
playing in Santa Cruz).

Bill, Gary and I played as 'Third Wave' for a glorious 2 hours in
the first performance at Mobo in 10 years.

All the sushi master chefs came up afterwards and thanked us
and Kevin , the manager made an unbelievable tray
of ridiculously beautiful and delicious shushi at the end of the night.

Additionally,  Kevin had us sample really incredible and rare Sakis
and Japanese beers at the end of the night.

Exhausted,  I look forward to tomorrow's first multiple artist performance
in Santa  Cruz (and the shows at Anno Domini in San Jose and the
Luggage Store  in San Francisco..


Creativity abounds..............all who are here are so fortunate,  
including me.



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Matthias,

Aw doggone it, did I miss your performance last night?

Will you be at any of the rest of the festival?

Hope to see you there.

Cheers,

Ted

---- Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com> wrote: 

=============
you, a vamp? your dream huh... 
I am still up, too, but only sucking red tea...
was fun playing at the galery, and amazing sound colors from everybody!
maybe the biggest surprise was the baloons...

Bob + crew maintained a great sound, thank you!

On 14 Oct 2010, at 04:03, Rick Walker wrote:

> I'm such a vampire......................again,   all the musicians sleep
> soundly and the only light in the entire house is the glow from
> my laptop.
> 
> The show was wonderful tonight at Mobo Sushi.
> 
> So many people came (including all of the artists who were not
> playing in Santa Cruz).
> 
> Bill, Gary and I played as 'Third Wave' for a glorious 2 hours in
> the first performance at Mobo in 10 years.
> 
> All the sushi master chefs came up afterwards and thanked us
> and Kevin , the manager made an unbelievable tray
> of ridiculously beautiful and delicious shushi at the end of the night.
> 
> Additionally,  Kevin had us sample really incredible and rare Sakis
> and Japanese beers at the end of the night.
> 
> Exhausted,  I look forward to tomorrow's first multiple artist performance
> in Santa  Cruz (and the shows at Anno Domini in San Jose and the
> Luggage Store  in San Francisco..
> 
> 
> Creativity abounds..............all who are here are so fortunate,  including me.
> 
> 


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I just went there, ain't nobody in sight!

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On 2010-10-14, at 15:05, paul <phaslem@wightman.ca> wrote:

Maybe he's in- cognito




At 11:29 AM 10/13/2010, you wrote:
Apparently  Leinhos, Peter is from "out of the office".
--




      

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Hi everyone!

Sounds like Y2KX is off to a great start.

I will arrive in Santa Cruz Friday afternoon -- look forward to seeing =20
and hearing everyone.

-- Kevin

Quoting tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>:

> It was a great show Rick.
>
> All of you outdid yourselves.
>
> Glad I got to be there to see it.
>
> The sushi wasn't bad either.
>
> The only downer is that with multiple venues and simultaneous  =20
> performances, there is necessarily stuff one is going to miss out on.
>
> Well, it's another day...and I have to decide which performances I  =20
> will attend tonight.
>
> Decisions, decissions...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ted
>
> ---- Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>   I'm such a vampire......................again,   all the musicians sleep
> soundly and the only light in the entire house is the glow from
> my laptop.
>
> The show was wonderful tonight at Mobo Sushi.
>
> So many people came (including all of the artists who were not
> playing in Santa Cruz).
>
> Bill, Gary and I played as 'Third Wave' for a glorious 2 hours in
> the first performance at Mobo in 10 years.
>
> All the sushi master chefs came up afterwards and thanked us
> and Kevin , the manager made an unbelievable tray
> of ridiculously beautiful and delicious shushi at the end of the night.
>
> Additionally,  Kevin had us sample really incredible and rare Sakis
> and Japanese beers at the end of the night.
>
> Exhausted,  I look forward to tomorrow's first multiple artist performance
> in Santa  Cruz (and the shows at Anno Domini in San Jose and the
> Luggage Store  in San Francisco..
>
>
> Creativity abounds..............all who are here are so fortunate,
> including me.
>
>
>
>



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  Braunschweig, Germany

my neighbors dont know much about me except how much I like to sing and 
play the piano... :-[

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  Well,  was the heaviest day of the festival for me because there
were performances in 3 different cities.

I was planning to deliver the sound system to the young woman
who had agreed to produce the gig at the Namaste Tea House
and then continue to organize the myriad list of I have to accomplish
for the opening of the main venue later tonight (It's 3:43 as I write).

I could get no answers to my phone calls and got to the venue to
find that the woman was a complete no-show......

...........suddenly ,  I had to load in the system, be the sound guy, the
MC (and even play a little as one of the artists just didn't show).

The show went great:   Soren Wagner did a beautiful newbie set;
David Berkmann did a fascinating set with a Gravichord (an elecronic
Kora, or 21 String African harp---also a first for the festival),  Chris 
Cohn
did a relaxing ambient set,  Ambassador of Trouts did a really interesting
set using (amongst other instruments) a bass clarinet............one of 
my favorite
instruments in the world and then Laurie Amat, the wonderful experimental
vocalist did a 'newbie' set that was really fascinating.    Because of 
last minute
cancellations in the festival,  I set up some of my gear and joined Laurie
for a trio improvisationally with Adrian Gormley (Ambassador of Trouts).
I've never played with these two musicians before but it was really magical
and a nice way to end a very stressful situation for me.

Then everyone in the audience pitched in and loaded out the PA so that I 
could
get over to the main venue in time to help load in the sophisticated sound
and lighting system that we'll use for the next three days.

The board is a digital board and fellow looper Daniel Thomas' son Trevor 
(who played percussion with him in last years festival) brought in the 
system and set it up.

Daniel came down (amazing because he leave tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. for 
Ireland where he will
do a tour with traditional Irish musicians and Bob Brozman (who we've 
both played with in the past)
and taught Maha (my trusty and amazing assistant for the festival) and I 
how to use the digital
board.

Tim Thompson and David Tristram came in with us and set up the 
sophisticated interactive
lighting/video system that they'll be using to improvise with the 
musicians on stage.
David even brought an enoromous latter; crawled to the top of the venue 
and put
tarps over the skylights so we can have amazing visuals in the middle of 
the day tomorrow.

I finished and got home by 2:45.  I started working at 2:00 this 
afternoon so it was a long,
long, long, long day.  I"m so thankful tthat I can sleep in today and be 
back
to start it all off at 6:00 tonight.

Oh...................and we got the cover to the 
Goodtimes...............fantastic!!!!!!!
Linda Koffman wrote a really long article on the history of the festival 
and said
some very nice things about it (and about me).

Awesome............................onto day 3.

Rick Walker

ps   Any one want to write in about yesterdays gigs in San Jose and San 
Francisco.
I was sad to have to miss them.

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Dear Rick,

thanks for doing all these daily writeups on your festival - even
though sadly I can't be there, you certainly give those of us who are
forced to miss the event some inspiration just how crazy this is what
you're all doing.

I guess you'll love the digital board - as soon as you accept that
clipping the inputs is not only bad but REALLY REALLY bad with a
digital board. I had in the past worked very successfully with a
digital board for live applications; having a full-fledged channel
strip for each and every channel helps a lot imo.

I'm really looking forward to any possible video streams for the rest
of the event (I believe Bob Armstad mentioned that he will be
attending the event starting on Saturday) - and I sure hope you're at
least doing recordings of all the stuff you do.

With all the best wishes, and give my regards to all those great
people at the festival I had the pleasure to meet/work with in the
past...in no specific order Krispen, Per, Nemoguitt, Matt, Daryl, Jim,
Ryussei, Bill, Chris,...heck, just give my best wishes to everyone!

Yours,

         Rainer

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> From: Clint Allen [mailto:clint.allen@gmail.com] 
> I'm still thinking about having "Leinhos, Peter is out of the office"
T-shirts made...Another great way to spot a fellow looper. 


ROFL 

-Michael

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Thank you sooooo much, Rick, for all your hard work and dedication! And so g=
reat to finally work with you and to be part of the "loop"!

Last night at the Tea House was a blast and the artists were amazing!
Really dug the closing set with you, the Ambassador of Trouts and Laurie Ama=
t.

Thank you again for the opportunity to share my Gravikord looping set with y=
ou and Cafe Namaste!=20
Already can't wait for next year!=20

Cheers,
Daniel Berkman

_____________________

Daniel Berkman | Colfax | Kora=20
Musician =E2=80=A2 Composer =E2=80=A2 Producer
www.danielberkman.com
Phone: (415) 254-4895
Email: danielberkman@mac.com

On Oct 15, 2010, at 3:56 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> Well,  was the heaviest day of the festival for me because there
> were performances in 3 different cities.
>=20
> I was planning to deliver the sound system to the young woman
> who had agreed to produce the gig at the Namaste Tea House
> and then continue to organize the myriad list of I have to accomplish
> for the opening of the main venue later tonight (It's 3:43 as I write).
>=20
> I could get no answers to my phone calls and got to the venue to
> find that the woman was a complete no-show......
>=20
> ...........suddenly ,  I had to load in the system, be the sound guy, the
> MC (and even play a little as one of the artists just didn't show).
>=20
> The show went great:   Soren Wagner did a beautiful newbie set;
> David Berkmann did a fascinating set with a Gravichord (an elecronic
> Kora, or 21 String African harp---also a first for the festival),  Chris C=
ohn
> did a relaxing ambient set,  Ambassador of Trouts did a really interesting=

> set using (amongst other instruments) a bass clarinet............one of my=
 favorite
> instruments in the world and then Laurie Amat, the wonderful experimental
> vocalist did a 'newbie' set that was really fascinating.    Because of las=
t minute
> cancellations in the festival,  I set up some of my gear and joined Laurie=

> for a trio improvisationally with Adrian Gormley (Ambassador of Trouts).
> I've never played with these two musicians before but it was really magica=
l
> and a nice way to end a very stressful situation for me.
>=20
> Then everyone in the audience pitched in and loaded out the PA so that I c=
ould
> get over to the main venue in time to help load in the sophisticated sound=

> and lighting system that we'll use for the next three days.
>=20
> The board is a digital board and fellow looper Daniel Thomas' son Trevor (=
who played percussion with him in last years festival) brought in the system=
 and set it up.
>=20
> Daniel came down (amazing because he leave tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. for Irela=
nd where he will
> do a tour with traditional Irish musicians and Bob Brozman (who we've both=
 played with in the past)
> and taught Maha (my trusty and amazing assistant for the festival) and I h=
ow to use the digital
> board.
>=20
> Tim Thompson and David Tristram came in with us and set up the sophisticat=
ed interactive
> lighting/video system that they'll be using to improvise with the musician=
s on stage.
> David even brought an enoromous latter; crawled to the top of the venue an=
d put
> tarps over the skylights so we can have amazing visuals in the middle of t=
he day tomorrow.
>=20
> I finished and got home by 2:45.  I started working at 2:00 this afternoon=
 so it was a long,
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>=20
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> I was sad to have to miss them.
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  Thanks for the reports and letting us know how things are going at the 
festival. Wishing all the musicians and participants the best of luck.  
I'm sure it'll be a lot of fun!

best

Nadia

Am 15.10.10 12:56, schrieb Rick Walker:
>  Well,  was the heaviest day of the festival for me because there
> were performances in 3 different cities.
>
> I was planning to deliver the sound system to the young woman
> who had agreed to produce the gig at the Namaste Tea House
> and then continue to organize the myriad list of I have to accomplish
> for the opening of the main venue later tonight (It's 3:43 as I write).
>
> I could get no answers to my phone calls and got to the venue to
> find that the woman was a complete no-show......
>
> ...........suddenly ,  I had to load in the system, be the sound guy, the
> MC (and even play a little as one of the artists just didn't show).
>
> The show went great:   Soren Wagner did a beautiful newbie set;
> David Berkmann did a fascinating set with a Gravichord (an elecronic
> Kora, or 21 String African harp---also a first for the festival),  
> Chris Cohn
> did a relaxing ambient set,  Ambassador of Trouts did a really 
> interesting
> set using (amongst other instruments) a bass clarinet............one 
> of my favorite
> instruments in the world and then Laurie Amat, the wonderful experimental
> vocalist did a 'newbie' set that was really fascinating.    Because of 
> last minute
> cancellations in the festival,  I set up some of my gear and joined 
> Laurie
> for a trio improvisationally with Adrian Gormley (Ambassador of Trouts).
> I've never played with these two musicians before but it was really 
> magical
> and a nice way to end a very stressful situation for me.
>
> Then everyone in the audience pitched in and loaded out the PA so that 
> I could
> get over to the main venue in time to help load in the sophisticated 
> sound
> and lighting system that we'll use for the next three days.
>
> The board is a digital board and fellow looper Daniel Thomas' son 
> Trevor (who played percussion with him in last years festival) brought 
> in the system and set it up.
>
> Daniel came down (amazing because he leave tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. for 
> Ireland where he will
> do a tour with traditional Irish musicians and Bob Brozman (who we've 
> both played with in the past)
> and taught Maha (my trusty and amazing assistant for the festival) and 
> I how to use the digital
> board.
>
> Tim Thompson and David Tristram came in with us and set up the 
> sophisticated interactive
> lighting/video system that they'll be using to improvise with the 
> musicians on stage.
> David even brought an enoromous latter; crawled to the top of the 
> venue and put
> tarps over the skylights so we can have amazing visuals in the middle 
> of the day tomorrow.
>
> I finished and got home by 2:45.  I started working at 2:00 this 
> afternoon so it was a long,
> long, long, long day.  I"m so thankful tthat I can sleep in today and 
> be back
> to start it all off at 6:00 tonight.
>
> Oh...................and we got the cover to the 
> Goodtimes...............fantastic!!!!!!!
> Linda Koffman wrote a really long article on the history of the 
> festival and said
> some very nice things about it (and about me).
>
> Awesome............................onto day 3.
>
> Rick Walker
>
> ps   Any one want to write in about yesterdays gigs in San Jose and 
> San Francisco.
> I was sad to have to miss them.
>
>


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    Thanks for the reports and letting us know how things are going at
    the festival. Wishing all the musicians and participants the best of
    luck.&nbsp; I'm sure it'll be a lot of fun!<br>
    <br>
    best<br>
    <br>
    Nadia <br>
    <br>
    Am 15.10.10 12:56, schrieb Rick Walker:
    <blockquote cite="mid:4CB83353.2060508@cruzio.com" type="cite">&nbsp;Well,&nbsp;
      was the heaviest day of the festival for me because there
      <br>
      were performances in 3 different cities.
      <br>
      <br>
      I was planning to deliver the sound system to the young woman
      <br>
      who had agreed to produce the gig at the Namaste Tea House
      <br>
      and then continue to organize the myriad list of I have to
      accomplish
      <br>
      for the opening of the main venue later tonight (It's 3:43 as I
      write).
      <br>
      <br>
      I could get no answers to my phone calls and got to the venue to
      <br>
      find that the woman was a complete no-show......
      <br>
      <br>
      ...........suddenly ,&nbsp; I had to load in the system, be the sound
      guy, the
      <br>
      MC (and even play a little as one of the artists just didn't
      show).
      <br>
      <br>
      The show went great:&nbsp;&nbsp; Soren Wagner did a beautiful newbie set;
      <br>
      David Berkmann did a fascinating set with a Gravichord (an
      elecronic
      <br>
      Kora, or 21 String African harp---also a first for the festival),&nbsp;
      Chris Cohn
      <br>
      did a relaxing ambient set,&nbsp; Ambassador of Trouts did a really
      interesting
      <br>
      set using (amongst other instruments) a bass
      clarinet............one of my favorite
      <br>
      instruments in the world and then Laurie Amat, the wonderful
      experimental
      <br>
      vocalist did a 'newbie' set that was really fascinating.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
      Because of last minute
      <br>
      cancellations in the festival,&nbsp; I set up some of my gear and
      joined Laurie
      <br>
      for a trio improvisationally with Adrian Gormley (Ambassador of
      Trouts).
      <br>
      I've never played with these two musicians before but it was
      really magical
      <br>
      and a nice way to end a very stressful situation for me.
      <br>
      <br>
      Then everyone in the audience pitched in and loaded out the PA so
      that I could
      <br>
      get over to the main venue in time to help load in the
      sophisticated sound
      <br>
      and lighting system that we'll use for the next three days.
      <br>
      <br>
      The board is a digital board and fellow looper Daniel Thomas' son
      Trevor (who played percussion with him in last years festival)
      brought in the system and set it up.
      <br>
      <br>
      Daniel came down (amazing because he leave tomorrow at 6:00 a.m.
      for Ireland where he will
      <br>
      do a tour with traditional Irish musicians and Bob Brozman (who
      we've both played with in the past)
      <br>
      and taught Maha (my trusty and amazing assistant for the festival)
      and I how to use the digital
      <br>
      board.
      <br>
      <br>
      Tim Thompson and David Tristram came in with us and set up the
      sophisticated interactive
      <br>
      lighting/video system that they'll be using to improvise with the
      musicians on stage.
      <br>
      David even brought an enoromous latter; crawled to the top of the
      venue and put
      <br>
      tarps over the skylights so we can have amazing visuals in the
      middle of the day tomorrow.
      <br>
      <br>
      I finished and got home by 2:45.&nbsp; I started working at 2:00 this
      afternoon so it was a long,
      <br>
      long, long, long day.&nbsp; I"m so thankful tthat I can sleep in today
      and be back
      <br>
      to start it all off at 6:00 tonight.
      <br>
      <br>
      Oh...................and we got the cover to the
      Goodtimes...............fantastic!!!!!!!
      <br>
      Linda Koffman wrote a really long article on the history of the
      festival and said
      <br>
      some very nice things about it (and about me).
      <br>
      <br>
      Awesome............................onto day 3.
      <br>
      <br>
      Rick Walker
      <br>
      <br>
      ps&nbsp;&nbsp; Any one want to write in about yesterdays gigs in San Jose
      and San Francisco.
      <br>
      I was sad to have to miss them.
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
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San Francisco, CA.

_____________________

Daniel Berkman | Colfax | Kora=20
Musician =E2=80=A2 Composer =E2=80=A2 Producer
www.danielberkman.com
Phone: (415) 254-4895
Email: danielberkman@mac.com

On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:32 AM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ocala, Florida.=20
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Well, Rick may be working his tailbone off, but the show is running wonderfully from an audience perspective.

It was a bit tough to choose between venues last night. 

But most folks who played in SF and SJ will also be in SC sometime during the main fest at Pearl Alley.

So, I feel there is still every chance I will get to see it all.

Hat's off to you Rick-o!

This is definitely the best fest ever.

Looking forward to the weekend.

Get some rest every chance you can.

Cheers,

Ted

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You played a amazing set Daniel.

Thanks for sharing you music with the rest of us.

I enjoyed your performance immensely.

Best,

Ted Killian

---- Daniel Berkman <danielberkman@mac.com> wrote:=20

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Thank you sooooo much, Rick, for all your hard work and dedication! And so =
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On Oct 15, 2010, at 3:56 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> Well,  was the heaviest day of the festival for me because there
> were performances in 3 different cities.
>=20
> I was planning to deliver the sound system to the young woman
> who had agreed to produce the gig at the Namaste Tea House
> and then continue to organize the myriad list of I have to accomplish
> for the opening of the main venue later tonight (It's 3:43 as I write).
>=20
> I could get no answers to my phone calls and got to the venue to
> find that the woman was a complete no-show......
>=20
> ...........suddenly ,  I had to load in the system, be the sound guy, the
> MC (and even play a little as one of the artists just didn't show).
>=20
> The show went great:   Soren Wagner did a beautiful newbie set;
> David Berkmann did a fascinating set with a Gravichord (an elecronic
> Kora, or 21 String African harp---also a first for the festival),  Chris =
Cohn
> did a relaxing ambient set,  Ambassador of Trouts did a really interestin=
g
> set using (amongst other instruments) a bass clarinet............one of m=
y favorite
> instruments in the world and then Laurie Amat, the wonderful experimental
> vocalist did a 'newbie' set that was really fascinating.    Because of la=
st minute
> cancellations in the festival,  I set up some of my gear and joined Lauri=
e
> for a trio improvisationally with Adrian Gormley (Ambassador of Trouts).
> I've never played with these two musicians before but it was really magic=
al
> and a nice way to end a very stressful situation for me.
>=20
> Then everyone in the audience pitched in and loaded out the PA so that I =
could
> get over to the main venue in time to help load in the sophisticated soun=
d
> and lighting system that we'll use for the next three days.
>=20
> The board is a digital board and fellow looper Daniel Thomas' son Trevor =
(who played percussion with him in last years festival) brought in the syst=
em and set it up.
>=20
> Daniel came down (amazing because he leave tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. for Irel=
and where he will
> do a tour with traditional Irish musicians and Bob Brozman (who we've bot=
h played with in the past)
> and taught Maha (my trusty and amazing assistant for the festival) and I =
how to use the digital
> board.
>=20
> Tim Thompson and David Tristram came in with us and set up the sophistica=
ted interactive
> lighting/video system that they'll be using to improvise with the musicia=
ns on stage.
> David even brought an enoromous latter; crawled to the top of the venue a=
nd put
> tarps over the skylights so we can have amazing visuals in the middle of =
the day tomorrow.
>=20
> I finished and got home by 2:45.  I started working at 2:00 this afternoo=
n so it was a long,
> long, long, long day.  I"m so thankful tthat I can sleep in today and be =
back
> to start it all off at 6:00 tonight.
>=20
> Oh...................and we got the cover to the Goodtimes...............=
fantastic!!!!!!!
> Linda Koffman wrote a really long article on the history of the festival =
and said
> some very nice things about it (and about me).
>=20
> Awesome............................onto day 3.
>=20
> Rick Walker
>=20
> ps   Any one want to write in about yesterdays gigs in San Jose and San F=
rancisco.
> I was sad to have to miss them.
>=20


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youhou!

I still hang on to my idea of having the most popular 3 minutes of each =
artist to create a panorama for the worlds music listeners and curious =
about LiveLooping

so we made a start and edited our "Cherli" ( a swiss expression for a =
simple chord change )
apart from one cut, is all live:

http://matthiasgrob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Matthias+Tim-Cherli.mp3

does somebody have the video that matches it?

have fun
Matthias + Tim=

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Hi,

Everyone asked to have their SoftSteps mailed to them as they did not want to 
carry more things back home, so I will not be coming down.

Keith
 Keith McMillen 
www.keithmcmillen.com 
www.beamfoundation.org 
"Music For A New Reason"



----- Original Message ----
From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 3:56:19 AM
Subject: Y2K-X  Day Two:  SANTA CRUZ

Well,  was the heaviest day of the festival for me because there
were performances in 3 different cities.

I was planning to deliver the sound system to the young woman
who had agreed to produce the gig at the Namaste Tea House
and then continue to organize the myriad list of I have to accomplish
for the opening of the main venue later tonight (It's 3:43 as I write).

I could get no answers to my phone calls and got to the venue to
find that the woman was a complete no-show......

...........suddenly ,  I had to load in the system, be the sound guy, the
MC (and even play a little as one of the artists just didn't show).

The show went great:   Soren Wagner did a beautiful newbie set;
David Berkmann did a fascinating set with a Gravichord (an elecronic
Kora, or 21 String African harp---also a first for the festival),  Chris Cohn
did a relaxing ambient set,  Ambassador of Trouts did a really interesting
set using (amongst other instruments) a bass clarinet............one of my 
favorite
instruments in the world and then Laurie Amat, the wonderful experimental
vocalist did a 'newbie' set that was really fascinating.    Because of last 
minute
cancellations in the festival,  I set up some of my gear and joined Laurie
for a trio improvisationally with Adrian Gormley (Ambassador of Trouts).
I've never played with these two musicians before but it was really magical
and a nice way to end a very stressful situation for me.

Then everyone in the audience pitched in and loaded out the PA so that I could
get over to the main venue in time to help load in the sophisticated sound
and lighting system that we'll use for the next three days.

The board is a digital board and fellow looper Daniel Thomas' son Trevor (who 
played percussion with him in last years festival) brought in the system and set 
it up.

Daniel came down (amazing because he leave tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. for Ireland 
where he will
do a tour with traditional Irish musicians and Bob Brozman (who we've both 
played with in the past)
and taught Maha (my trusty and amazing assistant for the festival) and I how to 
use the digital
board.

Tim Thompson and David Tristram came in with us and set up the sophisticated 
interactive
lighting/video system that they'll be using to improvise with the musicians on 
stage.
David even brought an enoromous latter; crawled to the top of the venue and put
tarps over the skylights so we can have amazing visuals in the middle of the day 
tomorrow.

I finished and got home by 2:45.  I started working at 2:00 this afternoon so it 
was a long,
long, long, long day.  I"m so thankful tthat I can sleep in today and be back
to start it all off at 6:00 tonight.

Oh...................and we got the cover to the 
Goodtimes...............fantastic!!!!!!!
Linda Koffman wrote a really long article on the history of the festival and 
said
some very nice things about it (and about me).

Awesome............................onto day 3.

Rick Walker

ps   Any one want to write in about yesterdays gigs in San Jose and San 
Francisco.
I was sad to have to miss them.

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i think i'm going to press one for me .... ha,ha,ha

2010/10/15 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>:
>> From: Clint Allen [mailto:clint.allen@gmail.com]
>> I'm still thinking about having "Leinhos, Peter is out of the office"
> T-shirts made...Another great way to spot a fellow looper.
>
>
> ROFL
>
> -Michael
>
>



--=20
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava
il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de
m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!=
,
no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? "


Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com

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I'm in Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada.  But I do a fair bit of traveling
as well (3 Canadian tours [totalling 8 months] this year, and more in
the works for 2011).

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Daniel Berkman <danielberkman@mac.com> wr=
ote:
> San Francisco, CA.
> _____________________
> Daniel Berkman |=A0Colfax | Kora
> Musician =95 Composer =95 Producer
> www.danielberkman.com
> Phone: (415) 254-4895
> Email: danielberkman@mac.com
> On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:32 AM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ocala, Florida.
>
> J
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:07 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure =A0this question was posed before but where does everyone live?=
 I'm
>> curious to get a break down on the current =A0list members about where t=
hey
>> live, =A0what their citizenship is etc.. Just trying to get a sense of =
=A0our
>> global community. Also if you are an ex-pat living in another country I'=
d
>> like to find that out as well. Many of you I already know this info abou=
t
>> but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
>> thanks
>> =A0bill
>
>



--=20
Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376

Check out the brand new video for "You"!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DW7QnxUgGQPc

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Which keeps with my belief that Norwich is the second looping capital  
of the word. Its like the Bermuda Triangle down there....

Matt Stevens
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On 16 Oct 2010, at 11:43, Stephen Scott wrote:

> A few miles east of
> Norwich, Norfolk, UK
>
> Stephen Scott
> www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher
>
>
> --- On Tue, 12/10/10, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
>
>> From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
>> Subject: OT where are you in the world
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Date: Tuesday, 12 October, 2010, 15:07
>> I'm sure  this question was
>> posed before but where does everyone live? I'm curious to
>> get a break down on the current  list members about
>> where they live,  what their citizenship is etc.. Just
>> trying to get a sense of  our global community. Also if
>> you are an ex-pat living in another country I'd like to find
>> that out as well. Many of you I already know this info about
>> but I want to see what countries are currently represented.
>> thanks
>>  bill
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


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Yes, I love the reports - thank you Rick. I did a loopy set myself last 
night here in Seattle, now I've got a 24-hour train ride, followed by a 
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Excellent night of Loopfest last night, my first evening there.  All
wonderful shows including. Jeff Duke/6aetano Fontanazza, james Bailey,
Kevin Kessinger, Ryushi, duo frome Corsica, trio from Germany and
manyt more.

Chinapainting performs Sunday at 5.  There will be possible live video
streamed to the web today/tomorrow.  Stay tuned.
Jim



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> two-hour bus ride, then I'm there. Can't wait!
>
> Daryl Shawn
> www.swanwelder.com
>
>

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Video today will be streamed on http://www.ustream.tv/channel/y2kxloopfest

I have a tight schedule today and hope to be there right at noon to  
begin broadcasting as the festival starts its day.

--
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Hi Keith, it's a sad news for me! i were counting to carry one with me in 
Italy...
So no matter, i'll order it. bye!
Max

>----Messaggio originale----
>Da: keefer07@yahoo.com
>Data: 16/10/2010 0.08
>A: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Ogg: He&#39;s Not There
>
>Hi,
>
>Everyone asked to have their SoftSteps mailed to them as they did not want 
to 
>carry more things back home, so I will not be coming down.
>
>Keith
> Keith McMillen 
>www.keithmcmillen.com 
>www.beamfoundation.org 
>"Music For A New Reason"
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
>To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 3:56:19 AM
>Subject: Y2K-X  Day Two:  SANTA CRUZ
>
>Well,  was the heaviest day of the festival for me because there
>were performances in 3 different cities.
>
>I was planning to deliver the sound system to the young woman
>who had agreed to produce the gig at the Namaste Tea House
>and then continue to organize the myriad list of I have to accomplish
>for the opening of the main venue later tonight (It's 3:43 as I write).
>
>I could get no answers to my phone calls and got to the venue to
>find that the woman was a complete no-show......
>
>...........suddenly ,  I had to load in the system, be the sound guy, the
>MC (and even play a little as one of the artists just didn't show).
>
>The show went great:   Soren Wagner did a beautiful newbie set;
>David Berkmann did a fascinating set with a Gravichord (an elecronic
>Kora, or 21 String African harp---also a first for the festival),  Chris Cohn
>did a relaxing ambient set,  Ambassador of Trouts did a really interesting
>set using (amongst other instruments) a bass clarinet............one of my 
>favorite
>instruments in the world and then Laurie Amat, the wonderful experimental
>vocalist did a 'newbie' set that was really fascinating.    Because of last 
>minute
>cancellations in the festival,  I set up some of my gear and joined Laurie
>for a trio improvisationally with Adrian Gormley (Ambassador of Trouts).
>I've never played with these two musicians before but it was really magical
>and a nice way to end a very stressful situation for me.
>
>Then everyone in the audience pitched in and loaded out the PA so that I 
could
>get over to the main venue in time to help load in the sophisticated sound
>and lighting system that we'll use for the next three days.
>
>The board is a digital board and fellow looper Daniel Thomas' son Trevor 
(who 
>played percussion with him in last years festival) brought in the system and 
set 
>it up.
>
>Daniel came down (amazing because he leave tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. for Ireland 
>where he will
>do a tour with traditional Irish musicians and Bob Brozman (who we've both 
>played with in the past)
>and taught Maha (my trusty and amazing assistant for the festival) and I how 
to 
>use the digital
>board.
>
>Tim Thompson and David Tristram came in with us and set up the sophisticated 
>interactive
>lighting/video system that they'll be using to improvise with the musicians 
on 
>stage.
>David even brought an enoromous latter; crawled to the top of the venue and 
put
>tarps over the skylights so we can have amazing visuals in the middle of the 
day 
>tomorrow.
>
>I finished and got home by 2:45.  I started working at 2:00 this afternoon so 
it 
>was a long,
>long, long, long day.  I"m so thankful tthat I can sleep in today and be back
>to start it all off at 6:00 tonight.
>
>Oh...................and we got the cover to the 
>Goodtimes...............fantastic!!!!!!!
>Linda Koffman wrote a really long article on the history of the festival and 
>said
>some very nice things about it (and about me).
>
>Awesome............................onto day 3.
>
>Rick Walker
>
>ps   Any one want to write in about yesterdays gigs in San Jose and San 
>Francisco.
>I was sad to have to miss them.
>
>


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Not to blow my own vuvuzela or anything, but I got mentioned in today's New York Times. 

<http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/movies/17quay.html?_r=1&ref=movies> 

(I'm at the very end of the piece. I DID in fact talk a little about looping when Franz Lidz interviewed me in August, but none of that made it in. But when you see the film, rest assured there's loopcontent!)

-t-

ps: "ambient noodling"???????????????



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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Not to blow my own vuvuzela or anything, but I got mentioned in today's New York Times. <br><br>&lt;http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/movies/17quay.html?_r=1&amp;ref=movies&gt; <br><br>(I'm at the very end of the piece. I DID in fact talk a little about looping when Franz Lidz interviewed me in August, but none of that made it in. But when you see the film, rest assured there's loopcontent!)<br><br>-t-<br><br>ps: "ambient noodling"???????????????<br><br><br>
http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson<div class="plainMail"><br></div></td></tr></table><br>

      
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Ok, so I decided on the following:

Just before the last day of Rick's fantastic festival starts today, I'm 
playing a kinda-warmup session via ustream. So just before the event 
starts (and hopefully gets transmitted on video on 
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/y2kxloopfest), tune in for some acoustic 
piano, perhaps some melodica, delays and filters and other effects - and 
of course loops (Möbius, in case you wonder).

Link: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions
Time/Date Link: 
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=17&month=10&year=2010&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=224
(it's 11:00 US West, 15:00 US East, 20:00 GB, 21:00 Western Europe)

Of course, festival guests are also invited to watch - and the festival 
stuff is even invited to play it back via the pa and the video projector 
during setup ;).

Already looking forward to today's portion of the festival!

Yours,

             Rainer

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Obviously, I got the time wrong in my last post:

My show starts around 11:00 California time, which is 14:00 US East, 
19:00 GB and 20:00 Western Europe!
Here's the correct link:
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=17&month=10&year=2010&hour=11&min=0&sec=0&p1=224

And again, the link to the show:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions


Sorry for the confusion,

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Hello :)

Hope everyone is having a great time at Santa Cruz :) - Wish i was there

Tonight at 8pm UK time tonight I will be webstreaming. I'll be  
playing my album Ghost in full - 2DL4's versus the world

The international times are:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html? 
day=17&month=10&year=2010&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=136

and you can watch at:

www.cafenoodle.ning.com

Ta!!

Matt Stevens
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mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com





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Hi Matt,

just inquiring: you're aware of the fact that your performance time is 
in conflict with the performances of Bob Armstadt and Mogli? And don't 
do it one hour earlier, either, because then you'd be conflicting with 
my session...

          Rainer

Matt Stevens schrieb:
> Hello :)
>
> Hope everyone is having a great time at Santa Cruz :) - Wish i was there
>
> Tonight at 8pm UK time tonight I will be webstreaming. I'll be playing 
> my album Ghost in full - 2DL4's versus the world
>
> The international times are:
>
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=17&month=10&year=2010&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=136 
> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=17&month=10&year=2010&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=136>
>
> and you can watch at:
>
> www.cafenoodle.ning.com
> <http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com>
> Ta!!
>
> Matt Stevens
> www.mattstevensguitar.com
> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com <mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>
>
>
>
>


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Sorry mate had this planned some weeks in advance

Matt Stevens
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On 17 Oct 2010, at 13:59, Rainer Straschill wrote:

> Hi Matt,
>
> just inquiring: you're aware of the fact that your performance time  
> is in conflict with the performances of Bob Armstadt and Mogli? And  
> don't do it one hour earlier, either, because then you'd be  
> conflicting with my session...
>
>          Rainer
>
> Matt Stevens schrieb:
>> Hello :)
>>
>> Hope everyone is having a great time at Santa Cruz :) - Wish i was  
>> there
>>
>> Tonight at 8pm UK time tonight I will be webstreaming. I'll be  
>> playing my album Ghost in full - 2DL4's versus the world
>>
>> The international times are:
>>
>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html? 
>> day=17&month=10&year=2010&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=136 <http:// 
>> www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html? 
>> day=17&month=10&year=2010&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=136>
>>
>> and you can watch at:
>>
>> www.cafenoodle.ning.com
>> <http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com>
>> Ta!!
>>
>> Matt Stevens
>> www.mattstevensguitar.com
>> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com  
>> <mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> http://moinlabs.de
> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs
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Sorry mate had this planned some weeks in advance&nbsp;<div><br><div> =
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auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div>Matt =
Stevens</div><div>www.mattstevensguitar.com</div><div><a =
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at 13:59, Rainer Straschill wrote:</div><br =
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style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
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14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">just inquiring: you're aware of =
the fact that your performance time is in conflict with the performances =
of Bob Armstadt and Mogli? And don't do it one hour earlier, either, =
because then you'd be conflicting with my session...</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
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margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hello :)</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hope =
everyone is having a great time at Santa Cruz :) - Wish i was =
there</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Tonight at 8pm UK time tonight I will be =
webstreaming. I'll be playing my album Ghost in full - 2DL4's versus the =
world</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">The international times are:</div><div =
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margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3D17&amp;month=3D=
10&amp;year=3D2010&amp;hour=3D20&amp;min=3D0&amp;sec=3D0&amp;p1=3D136 =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3D17&amp;=
month=3D10&amp;year=3D2010&amp;hour=3D20&amp;min=3D0&amp;sec=3D0&amp;p1=3D=
136">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3D17&amp;mon=
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0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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">www.cafenoodle.ning.com</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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&gt;</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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">www.mattstevensguitar.com</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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=0ADear Friend,=20
=0A =20
=0A(TOP SECRET)=20
=0A
=0AI am MR.BANGU MALI, the manager in charge of auditing and accounting sec=
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l be=20
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=0A =20
=0ADuring our investigation and auditing in this bank, my department came a=
cross a very huge sum of money belonging to a=20
=0Adeceased person Mr.Andreas Schranner who died with his wife and their on=
ly=20
=0Adaughter on 31 July 2000 in a plane crash and the fund has been dormant =
in his=20
=0Aaccount with this Bank without any claim of the fund in our custody eith=
er=20
=0Afrom his family or relation before our discovery to this development.=20
=0A
=0AThe said amount was U.S $10.150M ((Ten million one hundred and fifty tho=
usand=20
=0AUS dollars)).=20
=0A As it may interest you to know, I got your impressive=20
=0Ainformation through international search in Burkina-Faso here in Ouagado=
ugou=20
=0ABurkina-Faso. Meanwhile all the whole arrangement to put claim over this=
 fund as the bonafide next of kin to the deceased, get the required approva=
l and transfer this money to a foreign account has been put in place and di=
rectives and the needed information will be relayed to you as soon as=20
=0Ayou indicate your interest and willingness to assist me and also=20
=0Abenefit your self to this great business opportunity.=20
=0A =20
=0A In fact I could have done this deal alone but because of my position in=
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a foreign account and would eventually raise an eye brow on my side during =
the time of transfer because I work in this bank. This is the actual reason=
 why it will require a second party or fellow who will forward claims as th=
e next of kin with affidavit of trust of oath to the Bank and also=20
=0Apresent a foreign account where he will need the money to be re-transfer=
red into on his request as it may be after due verification and clarificati=
on by the correspondent branch of the bank where the whole money will be re=
mitted from to your own designation bank account.=20
=0A =20
=0AI will not fail to inform you that this transaction is 100% risk free. O=
n smooth conclusion of this transaction, you will be=20
=0Aentitled to 35% of the total sum as gratification, while 55% will be for=
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=0A =20
=0APlease, you have been advised to keep "top secret" as I am still in serv=
ice and intend to retire from service after we conclude this deal with you.=
=20
=0AI will be monitoring the whole situation here in this bank until you con=
firm the money in your account and ask me to come down to your country for =
subsequent sharing of the fund according to percentages previously indicate=
d and further investment, either in your country or any country you advice =
us to invest in.=20
=0A =20
=0AAll other necessary information will be sent to you when I hear from you=
.=20
=0ATrusting to hear from you. you can contact me=20
=0Athrough this number(00226 78 80 16 64). And i will advice you to reply b=
ack on my private email address :(mr.bangu_mali2010@yahoo.com)=20
=0AYou can visit the sit=20
=0Ahttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi /world/europe/859479.stm=20
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N REMITTANCE <br>=0ADEPARTMENT, AFRICA DEVELOPMENT BANK (ADB) BURKINA FASO.=
 <br>=0ADear Friend, <br>=0A  <br>=0A(TOP SECRET) <br>=0A<br>=0AI am MR.BAN=
GU MALI, the manager in charge of auditing and accounting section of Africa=
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pects and <br>=0Aregard. I have decided to contact you on a business transa=
ction that will be <br>=0Avery beneficial to both of us at the end of the t=
ransaction. <br>=0A  <br>=0ADuring our investigation and auditing in this b=
ank, my department came across a very huge sum of money belonging to a <br>=
=0Adeceased person Mr.Andreas Schranner who died with his wife and their on=
ly <br>=0Adaughter on 31 July 2000 in a plane crash and the fund has been d=
ormant in his <br>=0Aaccount with this Bank without any claim of the fund i=
n our custody either <br>=0Afrom his family or relation before our discover=
y to this development. <br>=0A<br>=0AThe said amount was U.S $10.150M ((Ten=
 million one hundred and fifty thousand <br>=0AUS dollars)). <br>=0A As it =
may interest you to know, I got your impressive <br>=0Ainformation through =
international search in Burkina-Faso here in Ouagadougou <br>=0ABurkina-Fas=
o. Meanwhile all the whole arrangement to put claim over this fund as the b=
onafide next of kin to the deceased, get the required approval and transfer=
 this money to a foreign account has been put in place and directives and t=
he needed information will be relayed to you as soon as <br>=0Ayou indicate=
 your interest and willingness to assist me and also <br>=0Abenefit your se=
lf to this great business opportunity. <br>=0A  <br>=0A In fact I could hav=
e done this deal alone but because of my position in this country as a civi=
l servant (A Banker), we are not allowed to operate a foreign account and w=
ould eventually raise an eye brow on my side during the time of transfer be=
cause I work in this bank. This is the actual reason why it will require a =
second party or fellow who will forward claims as the next of kin with affi=
davit of trust of oath to the Bank and also <br>=0Apresent a foreign accoun=
t where he will need the money to be re-transferred into on his request as =
it may be after due verification and clarification by the correspondent bra=
nch of the bank where the whole money will be remitted from to your own des=
ignation bank account. <br>=0A  <br>=0AI will not fail to inform you that t=
his transaction is 100% risk free. On smooth conclusion of this transaction=
, you will be <br>=0Aentitled to 35% of the total sum as gratification, whi=
le 55% will be for me as the founder of the deal, while 10% will be for exp=
enses. <br>=0A  <br>=0APlease, you have been advised to keep "top secret" a=
s I am still in service and intend to retire from service after we conclude=
 this deal with you. <br>=0AI will be monitoring the whole situation here i=
n this bank until you confirm the money in your account and ask me to come =
down to your country for subsequent sharing of the fund according to percen=
tages previously indicated and further investment, either in your country o=
r any country you advice us to invest in. <br>=0A  <br>=0AAll other necessa=
ry information will be sent to you when I hear from you. <br>=0ATrusting to=
 hear from you. you can contact me <br>=0Athrough this number(00226 78 80 1=
6 64). And i will advice you to reply back on my private email address :(mr=
.bangu_mali2010@yahoo.com) <br>=0AYou can visit the sit <br>=0Ahttp://news.=
bbc.co.uk/1/hi /world/europe/859479.stm <br>=0Ayours faithfully, <br>=0AMR.=
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hey guys,

hope everyone is having a great time in santa cruz at the festival right =
now!

unfortunately i will miss the festival but will be there next wednesday.

i would like to sell some of my gear that i do not use anymore. if =
anyone is interested and will be around california next week, i can =
bring it along with me.

gear list=20
behringer modulizer - stereo fx processor




behringer composer pro - compressor, gate, limiter




joemeek vc6q - microphone preamp, eq, comp




art tube eq - mono tube parametric eq




beyerdynamic dt 770 pro headphone

thanks and best.


www.erdemhelvacioglu.com

New duo album with Per Boysen out now.
http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>hey guys,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>hope everyone is having a great time in =
santa cruz=20
at the festival right now!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>unfortunately i will miss the festival =
but will be=20
there next wednesday.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>i would like to&nbsp;sell some of my =
gear that i do=20
not use anymore. if anyone is interested and will be around california =
next=20
week, i can bring it along with me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><U>gear list</U></EM></STRONG>&nbsp;
<P=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: =
none">behringer=20
modulizer &#8211; stereo fx processor</P>
<P=20
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none"><BR></P>
<P=20
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dt 770 pro headphone</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: =
none"><FONT=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>thanks and best.</FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><A=20
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NT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>New duo album with Per Boysen out =
now.<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://erdemhelvaciogluandperboysen.bandcamp.com">http://erdemhel=
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Hi Matt, sorry missed the stream yesterday; have the mailing list to my
work email and didn't check it over the weekend. Hope it went well!

=20

Best regards,=20

Rob=20

=20

________________________________

From: Matt Stevens [mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com]=20
Sent: 17 October 2010 13:53
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=20

Hello :)

=20

Hope everyone is having a great time at Santa Cruz :) - Wish i was there

Tonight at 8pm UK time tonight I will be webstreaming. I'll be playing
my album Ghost in full - 2DL4's versus the world


The international times are:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3D17&month=3D10&=
yea
r=3D2010&hour=3D20&min=3D0&sec=3D0&p1=3D136

and you can watch at:

www.cafenoodle.ning.com


Ta!!

Matt Stevens

www.mattstevensguitar.com

mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com

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font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>Rob</span></font><font =
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style=3D'color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Matt Stevens [mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 17 October 2010 =
13:53<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Webstream spam =
tonight
looping gig 2DL4's and a microphone</span></font><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Hello :)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Hope everyone is having a great time at <st1:City =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place
 w:st=3D"on">Santa Cruz</st1:place></st1:City> :) - Wish i was there<br>
<br>
Tonight at 8pm <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>
time tonight I will be webstreaming. I'll be playing my album Ghost in =
full -
2DL4's versus the world<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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The international times are:<br>
<br>
<a
href=3D"http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3D17&amp=
;month=3D10&amp;year=3D2010&amp;hour=3D20&amp;min=3D0&amp;sec=3D0&amp;p1=3D=
136"
_fcksavedurl=3D"http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3D=
17&amp;month=3D10&amp;year=3D2010&amp;hour=3D20&amp;min=3D0&amp;sec=3D0&a=
mp;p1=3D136">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3D1=
7&amp;month=3D10&amp;year=3D2010&amp;hour=3D20&amp;min=3D0&amp;sec=3D0&am=
p;p1=3D136</a><br>
<br>
and you can watch at:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com"
_fcksavedurl=3D"http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com">www.cafenoodle.ning.com<b=
r>
</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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rnet.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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congrats Tim, why not blow your vuvuzela a bit? :)  -Michael


  _____  

From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 11:01 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: LD listmember in NY Times


Not to blow my own vuvuzela or anything, but I got mentioned in today's New
York Times. 

<http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/movies/17quay.html?_r=1&ref=movies> 

(I'm at the very end of the piece. I DID in fact talk a little about looping
when Franz Lidz interviewed me in August, but none of that made it in. But
when you see the film, rest assured there's loopcontent!)

-t-

ps: "ambient noodling"???????????????


http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson 





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I'm looking forward to chowing and chatting, but I wasn't at last  
nights performances to hear where it will be... anyone? anyone?  
bueler? bueler? :)

-cpr

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At the Walnut Street Cafe.

On . . . of all places . . . Walnut Street.

---- cpr@musetrap.com wrote: 

=============
I'm looking forward to chowing and chatting, but I wasn't at last  
nights performances to hear where it will be... anyone? anyone?  
bueler? bueler? :)

-cpr


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Thanks Ted, I'll see you and Bill Walker there, and hopefully we will =20
have a most excellent adventure.. lol.. :)

-cpr

Quoting tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>:

> At the Walnut Street Cafe.
>
> On . . . of all places . . . Walnut Street.
>
> ---- cpr@musetrap.com wrote:
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> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> I'm looking forward to chowing and chatting, but I wasn't at last
> nights performances to hear where it will be... anyone? anyone?
> bueler? bueler? :)
>
> -cpr
>
>
>


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Just a quick note to thank everyone for another fantastic Live Looping  
festival.

I received many compliments on my Friday performance and just want you  
to know that I appreciate your support and feel inspired to more  
creativity.

And for everyone who performed -- I enjoyed it all and, as usual, am  
leaving with a lot of ideas that I want to try out as soon as I get  
back into the studio.

To greet and talk with old looping friends and to make new ones is  
particularly gratifying.

Thank you Rick and to all the volunteers for putting your time,  
energy, and heart into this festival.  May it continue to flourish in  
the future.

All the best to one and all!

-- Kevin

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hear! hear! :)

Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com:

> Just a quick note to thank everyone for another fantastic Live Looping
> festival.
>
> I received many compliments on my Friday performance and just want you
> to know that I appreciate your support and feel inspired to more
> creativity.
>
> And for everyone who performed -- I enjoyed it all and, as usual, am
> leaving with a lot of ideas that I want to try out as soon as I get
> back into the studio.
>
> To greet and talk with old looping friends and to make new ones is
> particularly gratifying.
>
> Thank you Rick and to all the volunteers for putting your time, energy,
> and heart into this festival.  May it continue to flourish in the
> future.
>
> All the best to one and all!
>
> -- Kevin


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Hi Rob

Was all good man - fun and messy :)

Matt Stevens
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On 18 Oct 2010, at 09:50, <RKoster@uk.imshealth.com> =20
<RKoster@uk.imshealth.com> wrote:

> Hi Matt, sorry missed the stream yesterday; have the mailing list =20
> to my work email and didn=92t check it over the weekend. Hope it went =20=

> well!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> From: Matt Stevens [mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com]
> Sent: 17 October 2010 13:53
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Webstream spam tonight looping gig 2DL4's and a microphone
>
> Hello :)
>
> Hope everyone is having a great time at Santa Cruz :) - Wish i was =20
> there
>
> Tonight at 8pm UK time tonight I will be webstreaming. I'll be =20
> playing my album Ghost in full - 2DL4's versus the world
>
> The international times are:
>
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?=20
> day=3D17&month=3D10&year=3D2010&hour=3D20&min=3D0&sec=3D0&p1=3D136
>
> and you can watch at:
>
> www.cafenoodle.ning.com
> Ta!!
>
> Matt Stevens
> www.mattstevensguitar.com
> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com
>
>
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Hi Rob&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Was all good man - fun and messy =
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class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On 18 Oct 2010, =
at 09:50, &lt;<a =
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sorry missed the stream yesterday; have the mailing list to my work =
email and didn=92t check it over the weekend. Hope it went =
well!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" =
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font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Rob</span></font><font =
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p><font size=3D"3" color=3D"navy" =
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btinternet.com</a>] <br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> 17 October 2010 13:53<br> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com</a><br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Webstream spam tonight =
looping gig 2DL4's and a microphone</span></font><span =
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">Hope everyone is having a great =
time at <st1:city w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Santa =
Cruz</st1:place></st1:city> :) - Wish i was there<br> <br> Tonight at =
8pm <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> time tonight I will be =
webstreaming. I'll be playing my album Ghost in full - 2DL4's versus the =
world<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font =
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12.0pt"><br> The international times are:<br> <br> <a =
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month=3D10&amp;year=3D2010&amp;hour=3D20&amp;min=3D0&amp;sec=3D0&amp;p1=3D=
136" =
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17&amp;month=3D10&amp;year=3D2010&amp;hour=3D20&amp;min=3D0&amp;sec=3D0&am=
p;p1=3D136">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3D17&=
amp;month=3D10&amp;year=3D2010&amp;hour=3D20&amp;min=3D0&amp;sec=3D0&amp;p=
1=3D136</a><br> <br> and you can watch at:<br> <br> <a =
href=3D"http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com" =
_fcksavedurl=3D"http://www.cafenoodle.ning.com">www.cafenoodle.ning.com<br=
> </a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
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Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Ta!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> =
<div> <div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"1" face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt">Matt =
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style=3D"font-size: =
9.0pt">www.mattstevensguitar.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> =
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Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.0pt"><a =
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This was just a fabulous event this year, thanks to Rick, and I am totally 
elated with who I had the opportunity to perform with this time.

Here are my Y2KX recordings:

1) Me and Rent Romus Thursday night at the Luggage Store.  Guitar and Sax, 
with Max/MSP doing the random looping.
http://www.box.net/shared/3y2foxcsix


2) Me and Rick Walker, Saturday at 4:30pm, Santa Cruz...again with the MAX 
random looper.  I loved this!!! Totally insanity, the way I like it.    :)
http://www.box.net/shared/uipjvv28eh

3) Pics of Rick and I playing Saturday.
http://www.box.net/shared/ekf56pd5qj

I hope to see some of the videos taken soon.

Kris
www.krispenhartung.com 

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See ya'll at 1, very glad to here for it this year.

On 10/18/10, cpr@musetrap.com <cpr@musetrap.com> wrote:
> Thanks Ted, I'll see you and Bill Walker there, and hopefully we will
> have a most excellent adventure.. lol.. :)
>
> -cpr
>
> Quoting tEd =AE kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>:
>
>> At the Walnut Street Cafe.
>>
>> On . . . of all places . . . Walnut Street.
>>
>> ---- cpr@musetrap.com wrote:
>>
>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>> I'm looking forward to chowing and chatting, but I wasn't at last
>> nights performances to hear where it will be... anyone? anyone?
>> bueler? bueler? :)
>>
>> -cpr
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Very nice!
Kris

----- Original Message ----- 

youhou!

I still hang on to my idea of having the most popular 3 minutes of each 
artist to create a panorama for the worlds music listeners and curious about 
LiveLooping

so we made a start and edited our "Cherli" ( a swiss expression for a simple 
chord change )
apart from one cut, is all live:

http://matthiasgrob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Matthias+Tim-Cherli.mp3

does somebody have the video that matches it?

have fun
Matthias + Tim 

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Y2KX Performers -

If you have links to your Y2KX recordings, videos, or photos, please =
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http://www.y2kloopfest.com/

Thanks,

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cool! a rare thing, matthias accompanied by electronic percussion. what's
that? the korg wavedrum?

2010/10/19 Kris Hartung <krispenhartung@gmail.com>

> Very nice!
> Kris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> youhou!
>
> I still hang on to my idea of having the most popular 3 minutes of each
> artist to create a panorama for the worlds music listeners and curious ab=
out
> LiveLooping
>
> so we made a start and edited our "Cherli" ( a swiss expression for a
> simple chord change )
> apart from one cut, is all live:
>
> http://matthiasgrob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Matthias+Tim-Cherli.mp3
>
> does somebody have the video that matches it?
>
> have fun
> Matthias + Tim
>



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cool! a rare thing, matthias accompanied by electronic percussion. what&#39=
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is Hartung <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:krispenhartung@gmail.com=
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<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
youhou!<br>
<br>
I still hang on to my idea of having the most popular 3 minutes of each art=
ist to create a panorama for the worlds music listeners and curious about L=
iveLooping<br>
<br>
so we made a start and edited our &quot;Cherli&quot; ( a swiss expression f=
or a simple chord change )<br>
apart from one cut, is all live:<br>
<br>
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<br>
does somebody have the video that matches it?<br>
<br>
have fun<br>
Matthias + Tim <br>
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Hi everyone!

Y2KX was my 4th festival in Santa Cruz and I noticed a few things and =20
wonder if they indicate a trend in Live Looping.

1) Few (if any) equipment glitches.

In the past, equipment glitches occurred with enough regularity that =20
one considered glitches to be part of the looping game.  This year, =20
the only noticeable glitch was when Bob utilized his prototype LP2 -- =20
and, after all -- it was a prototype still in development.

2) Equipment setups tended to be smaller.

Compared to past years, people used less equipment on stage.  This may =20
be attributed to the difficulty to travel with equipment and perhaps a =20
a trend to keep things simple to minimize setup time and to minimize =20
the risk of glitches.

3) Looping tended to be simple, most of the time.

While some people manipulated loops (i.e., reverse, stretch, etc) most =20
of the loops ranged from 2 to 12 bars with an emphasis on overlaying =20
sound.

Either that or the loop mangling was so subtle and/or integrated into =20
the performance that one didn't immediately notice it.

Again, this reflects an approach that avoids too much complexity.

4) Tunings tended to be 12-TET or unpitched

That is, sets utilized unpitched sounds or tended towards traditional =20
tuning.  My set, too, was 12-TET except for intonation issues that are =20
inherent with the theremin. ;)

Keyboards and fretted instruments are biased towards 12-TET.  I guess =20
I noticed this because, lately, I've been experimenting with =20
alternative temperaments such as 14-TET.  The problem is, that I do =20
this work on my modular synth which won't fit on an airplane!  Would =20
be fun to do some synth looping in Santa Cruz and perhaps, down the =20
road, I'll build a portable system that I can bring with me.

5) The visuals!

... were awesome and really added a lot to the festivals.  Also, the =20
visuals really complimented the music.  Thanks to the visual artists =20
who put this together.

6) Lots of laptops

I didn't keep count, but it seemed the majority of performers utilize =20
laptop computers.  The debate between the use of laptop computers and =20
equipment that contains imbedded systems continues however may people =20
appeared to use both (i.e., external boxes with laptop).

You may be interested to know that I use laptop-based looping with the =20
theremin -- mainly for logistical reasons.  One can't easily manage =20
pedal pushes AND in-tune playing concurrently on the theremin.

However, with my modular synthesizer, I love the LP1 and my footpedals.

~~

In my own personal work, I tend to swing between simplicity and =20
complexity -- trying to achieve some kind of balance.  I think as a =20
community, we may do the same thing.  One of the fun things about such =20
an event is to look at where we are as individual artists and where we =20
are as a movement.

Anyway, these are my observations.  Look forward to hearing others' =20
observations and opinions.

-- Kevin

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Interesting info here. Sadly=2C I missed the event but it sounds tremendous=
 - hats off to all of you!
=20
G
=20
> Date: Tue=2C 19 Oct 2010 12:22:42 -0500
> From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Some observations about Y2KX
>=20
> Hi everyone!
>=20
> Y2KX was my 4th festival in Santa Cruz and I noticed a few things and=20
> wonder if they indicate a trend in Live Looping.
>=20
> 1) Few (if any) equipment glitches.
>=20
> In the past=2C equipment glitches occurred with enough regularity that=20
> one considered glitches to be part of the looping game. This year=2C=20
> the only noticeable glitch was when Bob utilized his prototype LP2 --=20
> and=2C after all -- it was a prototype still in development.
>=20
> 2) Equipment setups tended to be smaller.
>=20
> Compared to past years=2C people used less equipment on stage. This may=20
> be attributed to the difficulty to travel with equipment and perhaps a=20
> a trend to keep things simple to minimize setup time and to minimize=20
> the risk of glitches.
>=20
> 3) Looping tended to be simple=2C most of the time.
>=20
> While some people manipulated loops (i.e.=2C reverse=2C stretch=2C etc) m=
ost=20
> of the loops ranged from 2 to 12 bars with an emphasis on overlaying=20
> sound.
>=20
> Either that or the loop mangling was so subtle and/or integrated into=20
> the performance that one didn't immediately notice it.
>=20
> Again=2C this reflects an approach that avoids too much complexity.
>=20
> 4) Tunings tended to be 12-TET or unpitched
>=20
> That is=2C sets utilized unpitched sounds or tended towards traditional=20
> tuning. My set=2C too=2C was 12-TET except for intonation issues that are=
=20
> inherent with the theremin. =3B)
>=20
> Keyboards and fretted instruments are biased towards 12-TET. I guess=20
> I noticed this because=2C lately=2C I've been experimenting with=20
> alternative temperaments such as 14-TET. The problem is=2C that I do=20
> this work on my modular synth which won't fit on an airplane! Would=20
> be fun to do some synth looping in Santa Cruz and perhaps=2C down the=20
> road=2C I'll build a portable system that I can bring with me.
>=20
> 5) The visuals!
>=20
> ... were awesome and really added a lot to the festivals. Also=2C the=20
> visuals really complimented the music. Thanks to the visual artists=20
> who put this together.
>=20
> 6) Lots of laptops
>=20
> I didn't keep count=2C but it seemed the majority of performers utilize=20
> laptop computers. The debate between the use of laptop computers and=20
> equipment that contains imbedded systems continues however may people=20
> appeared to use both (i.e.=2C external boxes with laptop).
>=20
> You may be interested to know that I use laptop-based looping with the=20
> theremin -- mainly for logistical reasons. One can't easily manage=20
> pedal pushes AND in-tune playing concurrently on the theremin.
>=20
> However=2C with my modular synthesizer=2C I love the LP1 and my footpedal=
s.
>=20
> ~~
>=20
> In my own personal work=2C I tend to swing between simplicity and=20
> complexity -- trying to achieve some kind of balance. I think as a=20
> community=2C we may do the same thing. One of the fun things about such=20
> an event is to look at where we are as individual artists and where we=20
> are as a movement.
>=20
> Anyway=2C these are my observations. Look forward to hearing others'=20
> observations and opinions.
>=20
> -- Kevin
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Interesting info here. Sadly=2C I missed the event but it sounds tremendous=
 - hats off to all of you!<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
G<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>
&gt=3B Date: Tue=2C 19 Oct 2010 12:22:42 -0500<BR>&gt=3B From: kkissinger@k=
evinkissinger.com<BR>&gt=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>&gt=
=3B Subject: Some observations about Y2KX<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B Hi everyone!=
<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B Y2KX was my 4th festival in Santa Cruz and I noticed =
a few things and <BR>&gt=3B wonder if they indicate a trend in Live Looping=
.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B 1) Few (if any) equipment glitches.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&g=
t=3B In the past=2C equipment glitches occurred with enough regularity that=
 <BR>&gt=3B one considered glitches to be part of the looping game. This ye=
ar=2C <BR>&gt=3B the only noticeable glitch was when Bob utilized his proto=
type LP2 -- <BR>&gt=3B and=2C after all -- it was a prototype still in deve=
lopment.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B 2) Equipment setups tended to be smaller.<BR>=
&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B Compared to past years=2C people used less equipment on s=
tage. This may <BR>&gt=3B be attributed to the difficulty to travel with eq=
uipment and perhaps a <BR>&gt=3B a trend to keep things simple to minimize =
setup time and to minimize <BR>&gt=3B the risk of glitches.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&=
gt=3B 3) Looping tended to be simple=2C most of the time.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=
=3B While some people manipulated loops (i.e.=2C reverse=2C stretch=2C etc)=
 most <BR>&gt=3B of the loops ranged from 2 to 12 bars with an emphasis on =
overlaying <BR>&gt=3B sound.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B Either that or the loop m=
angling was so subtle and/or integrated into <BR>&gt=3B the performance tha=
t one didn't immediately notice it.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B Again=2C this refl=
ects an approach that avoids too much complexity.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B 4) T=
unings tended to be 12-TET or unpitched<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B That is=2C set=
s utilized unpitched sounds or tended towards traditional <BR>&gt=3B tuning=
. My set=2C too=2C was 12-TET except for intonation issues that are <BR>&gt=
=3B inherent with the theremin. =3B)<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B Keyboards and fre=
tted instruments are biased towards 12-TET. I guess <BR>&gt=3B I noticed th=
is because=2C lately=2C I've been experimenting with <BR>&gt=3B alternative=
 temperaments such as 14-TET. The problem is=2C that I do <BR>&gt=3B this w=
ork on my modular synth which won't fit on an airplane! Would <BR>&gt=3B be=
 fun to do some synth looping in Santa Cruz and perhaps=2C down the <BR>&gt=
=3B road=2C I'll build a portable system that I can bring with me.<BR>&gt=
=3B <BR>&gt=3B 5) The visuals!<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B ... were awesome and re=
ally added a lot to the festivals. Also=2C the <BR>&gt=3B visuals really co=
mplimented the music. Thanks to the visual artists <BR>&gt=3B who put this =
together.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B 6) Lots of laptops<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B I di=
dn't keep count=2C but it seemed the majority of performers utilize <BR>&gt=
=3B laptop computers. The debate between the use of laptop computers and <B=
R>&gt=3B equipment that contains imbedded systems continues however may peo=
ple <BR>&gt=3B appeared to use both (i.e.=2C external boxes with laptop).<B=
R>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B You may be interested to know that I use laptop-based l=
ooping with the <BR>&gt=3B theremin -- mainly for logistical reasons. One c=
an't easily manage <BR>&gt=3B pedal pushes AND in-tune playing concurrently=
 on the theremin.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B However=2C with my modular synthesiz=
er=2C I love the LP1 and my footpedals.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B ~~<BR>&gt=3B <=
BR>&gt=3B In my own personal work=2C I tend to swing between simplicity and=
 <BR>&gt=3B complexity -- trying to achieve some kind of balance. I think a=
s a <BR>&gt=3B community=2C we may do the same thing. One of the fun things=
 about such <BR>&gt=3B an event is to look at where we are as individual ar=
tists and where we <BR>&gt=3B are as a movement.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B Anywa=
y=2C these are my observations. Look forward to hearing others' <BR>&gt=3B =
observations and opinions.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B -- Kevin<BR>&gt=3B <BR> 		 =
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I was hoping to touch base with a friendl;y monome user  to help me
determine if the unit I have is working right. I have looked at the forum=
s
and run the various tests and drills posted on the site but am still a bi=
t
confused on how to get $%#@in MIDI out of this thing.

The tests running the runtime let me press buttons and light up the grid
but I'll be damned if I can get ANY of that to translate to playing a not=
e
either via software only or via midi (god forbid).

I mam trying toi start small with this but at this point I'm concerned if
there might be something wrong and the window to return it is closing
fast.


Any help greatly appreciated.


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The monome hardware itself doesn't do MIDI - software on your 
computer connects to the monome and turns monome events into MIDI 
events.  If the monome is responding to button presses and the LEDs 
light up in response to the presses, then the hardware is working.

I don't have a full monome - I used the kit to build a controller and 
I use my own software with it, so can't be completely helpful.  What 
software are you using (and what OS)?



At 2010/10/19 10:47 AM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote:

>I was hoping to touch base with a friendl;y monome user  to help me
>determine if the unit I have is working right. I have looked at the forums
>and run the various tests and drills posted on the site but am still a bit
>confused on how to get $%#@in MIDI out of this thing.
>
>The tests running the runtime let me press buttons and light up the grid
>but I'll be damned if I can get ANY of that to translate to playing a note
>either via software only or via midi (god forbid).
>
>I mam trying toi start small with this but at this point I'm concerned if
>there might be something wrong and the window to return it is closing
>fast.
>
>
>Any help greatly appreciated.

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On 18 Oct 2010, at 21:54, Raul Bonell wrote:

> cool! a rare thing, matthias accompanied by electronic percussion. =
what's that? the korg wavedrum?

yes! its not that much electronic, rather electrorganic=20
(would not use a midi controller really)

>=20
> 2010/10/19 Kris Hartung <krispenhartung@gmail.com>
> Very nice!
> Kris
>=20
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> youhou!
>=20
> I still hang on to my idea of having the most popular 3 minutes of =
each artist to create a panorama for the worlds music listeners and =
curious about LiveLooping
>=20
> so we made a start and edited our "Cherli" ( a swiss expression for a =
simple chord change )
> apart from one cut, is all live:
>=20
> http://matthiasgrob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Matthias+Tim-Cherli.mp3
>=20
> does somebody have the video that matches it?
>=20
> have fun
> Matthias + Tim=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
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"><br><div><div>On 18 Oct 2010, at 21:54, Raul Bonell wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">cool! a =
rare thing, matthias accompanied by electronic percussion. what's that? =
the korg wavedrum?<br></blockquote><div><br></div>yes! its not that much =
electronic, rather electrorganic&nbsp;</div><div>(would not use a midi =
controller really)</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/10/19 Kris Hartung <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:krispenhartung@gmail.com">krispenhartung@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
/span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid =
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Very =
nice!<br><font color=3D"#888888">
Kris</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
youhou!<br>
<br>
I still hang on to my idea of having the most popular 3 minutes of each =
artist to create a panorama for the worlds music listeners and curious =
about LiveLooping<br>
<br>
so we made a start and edited our "Cherli" ( a swiss expression for a =
simple chord change )<br>
apart from one cut, is all live:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://matthiasgrob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Matthias+Tim-Cherli.mp3"=
 =
target=3D"_blank">http://matthiasgrob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Matthias+Tim-Cher=
li.mp3</a><br>
<br>
does somebody have the video that matches it?<br>
<br>
have fun<br>
Matthias + Tim <br>
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thank you, Bob!

I think this link deserves to be spread better, at least on the festival =
site
I made an effort to put it on youtube, but rather to late

somebody said that the San Jose gigs were streamed by the galery, but I =
could not find where?


On 16 Oct 2010, at 08:35, Robert Amstadt wrote:

> Video today will be streamed on =
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/y2kxloopfest
>=20
> I have a tight schedule today and hope to be there right at noon to =
begin broadcasting as the festival starts its day.
>=20
> --
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Matthias in all prob I do re the video.  I shot everyone's set at the least
1 min some more depending on how my record battery time/memory time were.  =
I
unfortunately missed the first set on Saturday due not being there yet but
beyond all that I have everyone till the end from Fri/Sat/Sun.  It's going
to take me some time, over the next couple months but my plan is to cut
several individual pieces telescoping several sets together and post to YT
and maybe Vimeo.  Will publish the links as I get them done.  If anyone
wants their raw video I will of course make that available.  Re your's
Matthias if this piece was in the beginning I probably have the footage.
I'll check as soon as I can and get back to you.  It was great to meet, hea=
r
and be around you a bit this past weekend.

Jim [Goodin]

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com> wrote:

> youhou!
>
> I still hang on to my idea of having the most popular 3 minutes of each
> artist to create a panorama for the worlds music listeners and curious ab=
out
> LiveLooping
>
> so we made a start and edited our "Cherli" ( a swiss expression for a
> simple chord change )
> apart from one cut, is all live:
>
> http://matthiasgrob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Matthias+Tim-Cherli.mp3
>
> does somebody have the video that matches it?
>
> have fun
> Matthias + Tim
>



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Matthias in all prob I do re the video.=A0 I shot everyone&#39;s set at the=
 least 1 min some more depending on how my record battery time/memory time =
were.=A0 I unfortunately missed the first set on Saturday due not being the=
re yet but beyond all that I have everyone till the end from Fri/Sat/Sun.=
=A0 It&#39;s going to take me some time, over the next couple months but my=
 plan is to cut several individual pieces telescoping several sets together=
 and post to YT and maybe Vimeo.=A0 Will publish the links as I get them do=
ne.=A0 If anyone wants their raw video I will of course make that available=
.=A0 Re your&#39;s Matthias if this piece was in the beginning I probably h=
ave the footage.=A0 I&#39;ll check as soon as I can and get back to you.=A0=
 It was great to meet, hear and be around you a bit this past weekend.<br>
<br>Jim [Goodin]<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at =
2:44 PM, Matthias Grob <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:matilists@gm=
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gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb=
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youhou!<br>
<br>
I still hang on to my idea of having the most popular 3 minutes of each art=
ist to create a panorama for the worlds music listeners and curious about L=
iveLooping<br>
<br>
so we made a start and edited our &quot;Cherli&quot; ( a swiss expression f=
or a simple chord change )<br>
apart from one cut, is all live:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://matthiasgrob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Matthias+Tim-Cherli.mp3" =
target=3D"_blank">http://matthiasgrob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Matthias+Tim-Cherl=
i.mp3</a><br>
<br>
does somebody have the video that matches it?<br>
<br>
have fun<br>
Matthias + Tim<br>
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On 19 Oct 2010, at 10:22, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>=20
> Y2KX was my 4th festival in Santa Cruz and I noticed a few things and =
wonder if they indicate a trend in Live Looping.

nice, I like such thinking ;-)
>=20
> 1) Few (if any) equipment glitches.
>=20
> In the past, equipment glitches occurred with enough regularity that =
one considered glitches to be part of the looping game.  This year, the =
only noticeable glitch was when Bob utilized his prototype LP2 -- and, =
after all -- it was a prototype still in development.

hm... ok, but I noticed that even most headliners had to say at some =
point: "crap" and restart a loop or so...
as a listener, I do not have a problem at all. its even a circus =
tradition to do something wrong, to appear more human etc...
but "professionals" may conclude that its not suitable for big stages or =
so?
>=20
> 2) Equipment setups tended to be smaller.
>=20
> Compared to past years, people used less equipment on stage.  This may =
be attributed to the difficulty to travel with equipment and perhaps a a =
trend to keep things simple to minimize setup time and to minimize the =
risk of glitches.

true! I think some are still to big for the task. its nice to have all =
kinds of tricks and sounds available, but not quite necessary for half =
an hour...
>=20
> 3) Looping tended to be simple, most of the time.
>=20
> While some people manipulated loops (i.e., reverse, stretch, etc) most =
of the loops ranged from 2 to 12 bars with an emphasis on overlaying =
sound.
>=20
> Either that or the loop mangling was so subtle and/or integrated into =
the performance that one didn't immediately notice it.
>=20
> Again, this reflects an approach that avoids too much complexity.

are you saying that it has become simpler compared to other years?=20
yes, maybe there was less impulse to show off fancy looping and more =
focus on beauty and flux
> ...
> 5) The visuals!
>=20
> ... were awesome and really added a lot to the festivals.  Also, the =
visuals really complimented the music.  Thanks to the visual artists who =
put this together.

YES great videos!
>=20
> 6) Lots of laptops
>=20
> I didn't keep count, but it seemed the majority of performers utilize =
laptop computers.  The debate between the use of laptop computers and =
equipment that contains imbedded systems continues however may people =
appeared to use both (i.e., external boxes with laptop).

I had the impression that the majority did not run the main sound though =
laptop. as you say, many used them as helpers.
I think it will become much more common to control things by touch =
screens as Eric (Rasta) demonstrated nicely!
>=20
>=20
> In my own personal work, I tend to swing between simplicity and =
complexity -- trying to achieve some kind of balance.  I think as a =
community, we may do the same thing.  One of the fun things about such =
an event is to look at where we are as individual artists and where we =
are as a movement.

great!
I felt a lack of rap and beat boxing since (as you can confirm on =
http://youtube.com/livelooping ) there are many of them and its one of =
the most obvious use of livelooping. maybe due to the vibe (age?) of =
this community they feel lesser at home?
Also, there are many singers/songwriters that use livelooping as an aid,=20=

but I would agree to rather invite musicians that create new music with =
looping than those that recreate the old kinds (with less musicians)

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Quoting Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com>:
>
> On 19 Oct 2010, at 10:22, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote:
>
>> In the past, equipment glitches occurred with enough regularity  =20
>> that one considered glitches to be part of the looping game.  This  =20
>> year, the only noticeable glitch was when Bob utilized his  =20
>> prototype LP2 -- and, after all -- it was a prototype still in  =20
>> development.
>
> hm... ok, but I noticed that even most headliners had to say at some =20
>  point: "crap" and restart a loop or so...
> as a listener, I do not have a problem at all. its even a circus  =20
> tradition to do something wrong, to appear more human etc...
> but "professionals" may conclude that its not suitable for big stages or s=
o?
>
I had the impression that the "oh crap" moments were due to human =20
error -- for instance when Amy hit the <erase all> button in one =20
place.  (Made me grin because I did that last summer during one of my =20
live-streaming performances on electro-music.)

I didn't notice any software-crash glitches, though.
>>
>> While some people manipulated loops (i.e., reverse, stretch, etc)  =20
>> most of the loops ranged from 2 to 12 bars with an emphasis on  =20
>> overlaying sound.
>>
>> Either that or the loop mangling was so subtle and/or integrated  =20
>> into the performance that one didn't immediately notice it.
>
> are you saying that it has become simpler compared to other years?
> yes, maybe there was less impulse to show off fancy looping and more =20
>  focus on beauty and flux
>
What comes to mind is a statement that someone made (perhaps Eno, =20
can't remember) that repetition is not possible because the listener =20
is constantly changing and will experience the music differently each =20
time.

The first year that I attended the festival I was very new to =20
live-looping and was often very confused about what was going on.  =20
With four years of experience some things that may have sounded =20
complex in the past seem clear now.

Having said this, I think there was a little less loop-mangling than =20
in past years -- could simply be that the lineup of performers tended =20
to do less mangling than others that have appeared in the past.

Perhaps there isn't the urge to cram 2 hours of looping techniques =20
into a 25 minute set. :)
>
> I felt a lack of rap and beat boxing since (as you can confirm on  =20
> http://youtube.com/livelooping ) there are many of them and its one  =20
> of the most obvious use of livelooping. maybe due to the vibe (age?) =20
>  of this community they feel lesser at home?
>
I've not listened to a lot of beat-boxing and rap and I'm left with =20
general impressions of it, only.  One of the great things about the =20
Y2K festivals is the shear variety of music.
>
> Also, there are many singers/songwriters that use livelooping as an aid,
> but I would agree to rather invite musicians that create new music  =20
> with looping than those that recreate the old kinds (with less  =20
> musicians)
>
I can't think of any set heard at the Y2K events that could have been =20
done by a group of (non looped) musicians.   The performers at Y2K =20
approach live-looping as a process/technique/artform in and of itself.

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cannot seem to be able to play the audio mp3 below, any ideas?=0A=0AAntony =
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=0A=0A=0AOn 18 Oct 2010, at 21:54, Raul Bonell wrote:=0A=0Acool! a rare thi=
ng, matthias accompanied by electronic percussion. what's that? =0Athe korg=
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=0A(would not use a midi controller really)=0A=0A=0A=0A>=0A>2010/10/19 Kris=
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idea of having the most popular 3 minutes of each artist =0A>>to create a p=
anorama for the worlds music listeners and curious about =0A>>LiveLooping=
=0A>>=0A>>so we made a start and edited our "Cherli" ( a swiss expression f=
or a simple =0A>>chord change )=0A>>apart from one cut, is all live:=0A>>=
=0A>>http://matthiasgrob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Matthias+Tim-Cherli.mp3=0A>>=0A=
>>does somebody have the video that matches it?=0A>>=0A>>have fun=0A>>Matth=
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=0A>tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!, no podien posar-li un=
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Matthias Grob schrieb:
>
>> 1) Few (if any) equipment glitches.
>>
>> In the past, equipment glitches occurred with enough regularity that one considered glitches to be part of the looping game.  This year, the only noticeable glitch was when Bob utilized his prototype LP2 -- and, after all -- it was a prototype still in development.
>>     
>
> hm... ok, but I noticed that even most headliners had to say at some point: "crap" and restart a loop or so...
> as a listener, I do not have a problem at all. its even a circus tradition to do something wrong, to appear more human etc...
> but "professionals" may conclude that its not suitable for big stages or so?
>   
That reminds me:
I once was at a performance of a big symphony orchestra and choir, who 
performed a symphony by Gustav Mahler (professionals on a *big* stage).  
At one point the conductor stopped the performance, turned around to the 
audience and said: "We can do that better (Das können wir besser)." Then 
he started again with the movement where he had broken off. That 
impressed me very much,  I thought it was much more professional than 
somehow awkwardly trying to rescue the performance that had gone wrong.

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On 20 Oct 2010, at 00:54, Johannes Korn wrote:

> Matthias Grob schrieb:
>>=20
>>> 1) Few (if any) equipment glitches.
>>>=20
>>> In the past, equipment glitches occurred with enough regularity that =
one considered glitches to be part of the looping game.  This year, the =
only noticeable glitch was when Bob utilized his prototype LP2 -- and, =
after all -- it was a prototype still in development.
>>>   =20
>>=20
>> hm... ok, but I noticed that even most headliners had to say at some =
point: "crap" and restart a loop or so...
>> as a listener, I do not have a problem at all. its even a circus =
tradition to do something wrong, to appear more human etc...
>> but "professionals" may conclude that its not suitable for big stages =
or so?
>> =20
> That reminds me:
> I once was at a performance of a big symphony orchestra and choir, who =
performed a symphony by Gustav Mahler (professionals on a *big* stage).  =
At one point the conductor stopped the performance, turned around to the =
audience and said: "We can do that better (Das k=F6nnen wir besser)." =
Then he started again with the movement where he had broken off. That =
impressed me very much,  I thought it was much more professional than =
somehow awkwardly trying to rescue the performance that had gone wrong.

thats a nice story!
... but you tell it because its an exception in that world while its =
normal with looping :-)
and thats because no other instrument can have a defect as heavy as a =
looper out of time or accidentally reseted
even if a string or a skin breaks, the beat goes on...

that does not mean that the looper is a less useful instrument, its just =
a new challenge.

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My Greetings,

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I want to add a very small computer to my rig for doing three things:
. convolution
. stereo 31 band 1/3rd octave EQ
. stereo looper / phrase sampler

An issue will likely be how to run such plugins without having to use a 
whole grand theft auto DAW package.
Maybe one of the packages for live/stage use that comes with some of the 
DAW's, like MainStage or Ableton Live (IIRC)..
I basically need 'something' capable of loading VST plugins, perform 
things like routing, controlling levels and mixing signals..

The EQ won't be MIDI'ed; it's meant for finetuning to the venue, i.e. at 
home loud, at hole bedroom level, for headphone, a studio.. with presets 
named for each venue.  I'm not sure how much CPU the EQ will require..

A software looper / phrase sampler shouldn't require too much CPU power.


Which leaves by far the worst CPU hog: Convolution, but how much ?

I'll prefer either an Intel CoreDuo ultra-low voltage 1.2 or 1.4 Ghz or 
a Core i3, as both of those runs very lean => low heat dissipation.


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BIll Walker and I were joking that we were glad we didn't have to hit the "=
Just =0AKidding" button on our loopers during our sets.=0A=0A=0A=0A________=
________________________=0AFrom: Johannes Korn <j.korn@gmx.de>=0A=0AMatthia=
s Grob schrieb:=0A> =0A>> 1) Few (if any) equipment glitches.=0A>> =0A>> In=
 the past, equipment glitches occurred with enough regularity that one =0A>=
>considered glitches to be part of the looping game.  This year, the only =
=0A>>noticeable glitch was when Bob utilized his prototype LP2 -- and, afte=
r all -- =0A>>it was a prototype still in development.=0A>>    =0A> =0A> hm=
... ok, but I noticed that even most headliners had to say at some point: =
=0A>"crap" and restart a loop or so...=0A> as a listener, I do not have a p=
roblem at all. its even a circus tradition to =0A>do something wrong, to ap=
pear more human etc...=0A> but "professionals" may conclude that its not su=
itable for big stages or so?=0A>  =0AThat reminds me:=0AI once was at a per=
formance of a big symphony orchestra and choir, who performed =0Aa symphony=
 by Gustav Mahler (professionals on a *big* stage).  At one point the =0Aco=
nductor stopped the performance, turned around to the audience and said: "W=
e =0Acan do that better (Das k=F6nnen wir besser)." Then he started again w=
ith the =0Amovement where he had broken off. That impressed me very much,  =
I thought it was =0Amuch more professional than somehow awkwardly trying to=
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size=
:10pt"><div>BIll Walker and I were joking that we were glad we didn't have =
to hit the "Just Kidding" button on our loopers during our sets.</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br><di=
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br>=0AMatthias Grob schrieb:<br>&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; 1) Few (if any) equipment=
 glitches.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; In the past, equipment glitches occurre=
d with enough regularity that one considered glitches to be part of the loo=
ping game.&nbsp; This year, the only noticeable glitch was when Bob utilize=
d his prototype LP2 -- and, after all -- it was a prototype still in develo=
pment.<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  <br>&gt; <br>&gt; hm... ok, but I noticed =
that even most headliners had to say at some point: "crap" and restart a lo=
op or so...<br>&gt; as a listener, I do not have a problem at all. its even=
 a circus tradition to do something wrong, to appear more human etc...<br>&=
gt; but "professionals" may conclude that its not suitable for big stages o=
r so?<br>&gt;&nbsp;  <br>That reminds me:<br>I once was at a performance of=
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ler (professionals on a *big* stage).&nbsp; At one point the conductor
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I got video recordings of most (but not all, unfortunately) of the sets
where we had live looping video performances.  You can find them all in raw
unedited form here:

     http://blueparticles.com/particles/y2kx/

The recordings are direct from the video that was projected.  The files are
very large - 400 MB typically.  Half of them don't have any sound (noted in
the titles), but on Saturday I got a direct feed from the mixer and the
sound on the remaining ones is pretty good.  I am editing Bill Walker's set
to put on YouTube at some point, and it might be nice to collect samples of
isolated ElectroSlate visuals (which haven't been recorded or shown much
previously), but other than that I don't have any plans to edit anything
else.  Folks are free to do whatever they like with the videos.  At the very
least, the artists can see what the audience was seeing while they
performed.

If you don't want to download more than 7 GB (the total size of all of them)
but want to check out a few, I would recommend the Lilli Lewis set for
ElectroSlate examples, and the Krispen Hartung / Rick Walker and Andrew
Aldridge sets for LoopyCam examples.   The Bill Walker set is the best
combined (LoopyCam+ElectroSlate) example, but for that one you can wait for
the edited version - we might be getting better sound on that one.

     ...Tim...

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I got video recordings of most (but not all, unfortunately) of the sets whe=
re we had live looping video performances. =A0You can find them all in raw =
unedited form here:<div><br></div><div>=A0=A0 =A0=A0<a href=3D"http://bluep=
articles.com/particles/y2kx/">http://blueparticles.com/particles/y2kx/</a><=
/div>
<div><br></div><div>The recordings are direct from the video that was proje=
cted. =A0The files are very large - 400 MB typically. =A0Half of them don&#=
39;t have any sound (noted in the titles), but on Saturday I got a direct f=
eed from the mixer and the sound on the remaining ones is pretty good. =A0I=
 am editing Bill Walker&#39;s set to put on YouTube at some point, and it m=
ight be nice to collect samples of isolated ElectroSlate visuals (which hav=
en&#39;t been recorded or shown much previously), but other than that I don=
&#39;t have any plans to edit anything else. =A0Folks are free to do whatev=
er they like with the videos. =A0At the very least, the artists can see wha=
t the audience was seeing while they performed.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>If you don&#39;t want to download more than 7 GB (the t=
otal size of all of them) but want to check out a few, I would recommend th=
e Lilli Lewis set for ElectroSlate examples, and the Krispen Hartung / Rick=
 Walker and Andrew Aldridge sets for LoopyCam examples. =A0 The Bill Walker=
 set is the best combined (LoopyCam+ElectroSlate) example, but for that one=
 you can wait for the edited version - we might be getting better sound on =
that one.</div>
<div><br></div><div>=A0=A0 =A0 ...Tim...</div>

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Tim sidebar to your post, thank you for all you did to add this new creativ=
e
element to this year's festival.  The added visual was just amazing.

Jim Goodin
Chinapainting
www.chinapaintingmusic.com

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Tim Thompson <tjt@nosuch.com> wrote:

> I got video recordings of most (but not all, unfortunately) of the sets
> where we had live looping video performances.  You can find them all in r=
aw
> unedited form here:
>
>      http://blueparticles.com/particles/y2kx/
>
> The recordings are direct from the video that was projected.  The files a=
re
> very large - 400 MB typically.  Half of them don't have any sound (noted =
in
> the titles), but on Saturday I got a direct feed from the mixer and the
> sound on the remaining ones is pretty good.  I am editing Bill Walker's s=
et
> to put on YouTube at some point, and it might be nice to collect samples =
of
> isolated ElectroSlate visuals (which haven't been recorded or shown much
> previously), but other than that I don't have any plans to edit anything
> else.  Folks are free to do whatever they like with the videos.  At the v=
ery
> least, the artists can see what the audience was seeing while they
> performed.
>
> If you don't want to download more than 7 GB (the total size of all of
> them) but want to check out a few, I would recommend the Lilli Lewis set =
for
> ElectroSlate examples, and the Krispen Hartung / Rick Walker and Andrew
> Aldridge sets for LoopyCam examples.   The Bill Walker set is the best
> combined (LoopyCam+ElectroSlate) example, but for that one you can wait f=
or
> the edited version - we might be getting better sound on that one.
>
>      ...Tim...
>



--=20
>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &
Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com

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Tim sidebar to your post, thank you for all you did to add this new creativ=
e element to this year&#39;s festival.=A0 The added visual was just amazing=
.<br><br>Jim Goodin<br>Chinapainting<br><a href=3D"http://www.chinapainting=
music.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Tim Thomps=
on <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tjt@nosuch.com">tjt@nosuch.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: =
0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left:=
 1ex;">
I got video recordings of most (but not all, unfortunately) of the sets whe=
re we had live looping video performances. =A0You can find them all in raw =
unedited form here:<div><br></div><div>=A0=A0 =A0=A0<a href=3D"http://bluep=
articles.com/particles/y2kx/" target=3D"_blank">http://blueparticles.com/pa=
rticles/y2kx/</a></div>

<div><br></div><div>The recordings are direct from the video that was proje=
cted. =A0The files are very large - 400 MB typically. =A0Half of them don&#=
39;t have any sound (noted in the titles), but on Saturday I got a direct f=
eed from the mixer and the sound on the remaining ones is pretty good. =A0I=
 am editing Bill Walker&#39;s set to put on YouTube at some point, and it m=
ight be nice to collect samples of isolated ElectroSlate visuals (which hav=
en&#39;t been recorded or shown much previously), but other than that I don=
&#39;t have any plans to edit anything else. =A0Folks are free to do whatev=
er they like with the videos. =A0At the very least, the artists can see wha=
t the audience was seeing while they performed.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>If you don&#39;t want to download more than 7 GB (the t=
otal size of all of them) but want to check out a few, I would recommend th=
e Lilli Lewis set for ElectroSlate examples, and the Krispen Hartung / Rick=
 Walker and Andrew Aldridge sets for LoopyCam examples. =A0 The Bill Walker=
 set is the best combined (LoopyCam+ElectroSlate) example, but for that one=
 you can wait for the edited version - we might be getting better sound on =
that one.</div>

<div><br></div><font color=3D"#888888"><div>=A0=A0 =A0 ...Tim...</div>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>From Brooklyn To=
 Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6r=
n.=A0 Proceeds<br>from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=
=A0 <a href=3D"http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com">jimgoodinpeterthorn=
.bandcamp.com</a>.<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br=
><a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</=
a><br><a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com">woodandwiremusic.wo=
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Convolution is a very simple operation and requires little computer 
power.  Dynamic convolution is a bit more intense...

>I want to add a very small computer to my rig for doing three things:
>. convolution
>. stereo 31 band 1/3rd octave EQ
>. stereo looper / phrase sampler
>
>An issue will likely be how to run such plugins without having to 
>use a whole grand theft auto DAW package.
>Maybe one of the packages for live/stage use that comes with some of 
>the DAW's, like MainStage or Ableton Live (IIRC)..
>I basically need 'something' capable of loading VST plugins, perform 
>things like routing, controlling levels and mixing signals..
>
>The EQ won't be MIDI'ed; it's meant for finetuning to the venue, 
>i.e. at home loud, at hole bedroom level, for headphone, a studio.. 
>with presets named for each venue.  I'm not sure how much CPU the EQ 
>will require..
>
>A software looper / phrase sampler shouldn't require too much CPU power.
>
>
>Which leaves by far the worst CPU hog: Convolution, but how much ?
>
>I'll prefer either an Intel CoreDuo ultra-low voltage 1.2 or 1.4 Ghz 
>or a Core i3, as both of those runs very lean => low heat 
>dissipation.
>
>
>--
>rgds,
>van Sinn


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I will add my voice to the many words of high praise I heard about the visu=
als. =0A I loved what you=0Adid during my set and during the entire festiva=
l.  Beautiful, imaginative, =0Avaried, exciting!=0A=0Agfd=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___=
_____________________________=0AFrom: Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>=
=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Wed, October 20, 2010 10=
:05:19 AM=0ASubject: Re: video recordings from Y2KX=0A=0ATim sidebar to you=
r post, thank you for all you did to add this new creative =0Aelement to th=
is year's festival.  The added visual was just amazing.=0A=0AJim Goodin=0AC=
hinapainting=0Awww.chinapaintingmusic.com=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1=
1:33 AM, Tim Thompson <tjt@nosuch.com> wrote:=0A=0AI got video recordings o=
f most (but not all, unfortunately) of the sets where we =0Ahad live loopin=
g video performances.  You can find them all in raw unedited form =0Ahere:=
=0A>=0A>=0A>     http://blueparticles.com/particles/y2kx/=0A>=0A>=0A>The re=
cordings are direct from the video that was projected.  The files are very =
=0A>large - 400 MB typically.  Half of them don't have any sound (noted in =
the =0A>titles), but on Saturday I got a direct feed from the mixer and the=
 sound on the =0A>remaining ones is pretty good.  I am editing Bill Walker'=
s set to put on YouTube =0A>at some point, and it might be nice to collect =
samples of isolated ElectroSlate =0A>visuals (which haven't been recorded o=
r shown much previously), but other than =0A>that I don't have any plans to=
 edit anything else.  Folks are free to do =0A>whatever they like with the =
videos.  At the very least, the artists can see what =0A>the audience was s=
eeing while they performed. =0A>=0A>=0A>If you don't want to download more =
than 7 GB (the total size of all of them) but =0A>want to check out a few, =
I would recommend the Lilli Lewis set for ElectroSlate =0A>examples, and th=
e Krispen Hartung / Rick Walker and Andrew Aldridge sets for =0A>LoopyCam e=
xamples.   The Bill Walker set is the best combined =0A>(LoopyCam+ElectroSl=
ate) example, but for that one you can wait for the edited =0A>version - we=
 might be getting better sound on that one.=0A>=0A>     ...Tim...=0A=0A=0A-=
- =0AFrom Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Good=
in & Peter =0ATh=F6rn.  Proceeds=0Afrom the sale of this CD will benefit JD=
RF International.  =0Ajimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.=0A=0Awww.jimgoodinm=
usic.com=0Awww.chinapaintingmusic.com=0Awoodandwiremusic.wordpress.com=0A=
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size=
:10pt"><div>I will add my voice to the many words of high praise I heard ab=
out the visuals. &nbsp;I loved what you</div><div>did during my set and dur=
ing the entire festival. &nbsp;Beautiful, imaginative, varied, exciting!</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>gfd</div><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:ve=
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pan></b> Jim Goodin &lt;jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b=
><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, October 20, 2010 =
10:05:19 AM<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re=
: video
 recordings from Y2KX<br></font><br>=0ATim sidebar to your post, thank you =
for all you did to add this new creative element to this year's festival.&n=
bsp; The added visual was just amazing.<br><br>Jim Goodin<br>Chinapainting<=
br><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmu=
sic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>=0A<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
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lid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;">=0AI got video recordings of most=
 (but not all, unfortunately) of the sets where we had live looping video p=
erformances. &nbsp;You can find them all in raw unedited form here:<div><br=
></div><div><span>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"htt=
p://blueparticles.com/particles/y2kx/">http://blueparticles.com/particles/y=
2kx/</a></span></div>=0A=0A<div><br></div><div>The recordings are direct fr=
om the video that was projected. &nbsp;The files are very large - 400 MB ty=
pically. &nbsp;Half of them don't have any sound (noted in the titles), but=
 on Saturday I got a direct feed from the mixer and the sound on the remain=
ing ones is pretty good. &nbsp;I am editing Bill Walker's set to put on You=
Tube at some point, and it might be nice to collect samples of isolated Ele=
ctroSlate visuals (which haven't been recorded or shown much previously), b=
ut other than that I don't have any plans to edit anything else. &nbsp;Folk=
s are free to do whatever they like with the videos. &nbsp;At the very leas=
t, the artists can see what the audience was seeing while they performed.&n=
bsp;</div>=0A=0A<div><br></div><div>If you don't want to download more than=
 7 GB (the total size of all of them) but want to check out a few, I would =
recommend the Lilli Lewis set for ElectroSlate examples, and the Krispen Ha=
rtung / Rick Walker and Andrew Aldridge sets for LoopyCam examples. &nbsp; =
The Bill Walker set is the best combined (LoopyCam+ElectroSlate) example, b=
ut for that one you can wait for the edited version - we might be getting b=
etter sound on that one.</div>=0A=0A<div><br></div><font color=3D"#888888">=
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; ...Tim...</div>=0A</font></blockquote></div><br><b=
r clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz=
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le of this CD will benefit JDRF International.&nbsp; <a rel=3D"nofollow" ta=
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FROM AN ATTORNEY AT LAW=20
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Partner=20
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Official email;
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Good Day ,=20


This is a personal email directed to you and I request that it be treated a=
s such.=20
I am Barrister Paparazy, a solicitor at law. I am the personal attorney/sol=
e executor to the late Dr. George , hereinafter referred to as=E2=80=99 my =
client' who worked as an independent oil magnate in my country and who died=
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Since the death of my client in Oct, 1998, I have written several letters t=
o the embassy with intent to locate any of his extended relatives whom shal=
l be claimants/beneficiaries of his abandoned personal estate and all such =
efforts have been to no avail.=20

Moreover, I have received official letters in the last few weeks suggesting=
 a likely proceeding for confiscation of his abandoned personal assets in l=
ine with existing laws by the bank in which my client deposited the sum of =
22.5 Million United States Dollars.=20

On this note I decided to search for a credible person and finding that you=
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r consent, present you to the "trustee" bank as my late client's surviving =
family member so as to enable you put up a claim to the bank in that capaci=
ty as a next of kin of my client.=20

I find this possible for the fuller reasons that you bear a similar last na=
me with my client making it a lot easier for you to put up a claim in that =
capacity. I propose that 50% of the net sum will accrue to you at the concl=
usion of this deal in so far as I do not incur further expenses.=20

Therefore, to facilitate the immediate transfer of this fund, you need, fir=
st to contact me via email signifying your interest and as soon as I obtain=
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 as well as fax you the documents, with which you are to proceed and i shal=
l direct on how to put up an application to the bank.=20

However, you will have to assent to an express agreement which I will forwa=
rd to you in order to bind us in this transaction.=20

Upon the receipt of your reply, I will send you by fax or E-mail the next s=
tep to take. I will not fail to bring to your notice that this proposal is =
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<BR>Burkina Faso<BR>Official email;<BR><A href=3D"mailto:Hon.Barr.PaparazyE=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"times new roman, new york, times, serif"><BR>Goo=
d Day , <BR><BR><BR>This is a personal email directed to you and I request =
that it be treated as such. <BR>I am Barrister Paparazy, a solicitor at law=
. I am the personal attorney/sole executor to the late Dr. George , hereina=
fter referred to as=E2=80=99 my client' who worked as an independent oil ma=
gnate in my country and who died in a car crash with his immediate family o=
n the 4th of Oct,1998. <BR><BR>Since the death of my client in Oct, 1998, I=
 have written several letters to the embassy with intent to locate any of h=
is extended relatives whom shall be claimants/beneficiaries of his abandone=
d personal estate and all such efforts have been to no avail. <BR><BR>Moreo=
ver, I have received official letters in the last few weeks suggesting a li=
kely proceeding for confiscation of his abandoned personal assets in line w=
ith existing laws by the bank in which my client deposited the sum of 22.5
 Million United States Dollars. <BR><BR>On this note I decided to search fo=
r a credible person and finding that you bear a similar last name, I was ur=
ged to contact you, that I may, with your consent, present you to the "trus=
tee" bank as my late client's surviving family member so as to enable you p=
ut up a claim to the bank in that capacity as a next of kin of my client. <=
BR><BR>I find this possible for the fuller reasons that you bear a similar =
last name with my client making it a lot easier for you to put up a claim i=
n that capacity. I propose that 50% of the net sum will accrue to you at th=
e conclusion of this deal in so far as I do not incur further expenses. <BR=
><BR>Therefore, to facilitate the immediate transfer of this fund, you need=
, first to contact me via email signifying your interest and as soon as I o=
btain your confidence, I will immediately appraise you with the complete de=
tails as well as fax you the documents, with which you are to
 proceed and i shall direct on how to put up an application to the bank. <B=
R><BR>However, you will have to assent to an express agreement which I will=
 forward to you in order to bind us in this transaction. <BR><BR>Upon the r=
eceipt of your reply, I will send you by fax or E-mail the next step to tak=
e. I will not fail to bring to your notice that this proposal is hitch-free=
 and that you should not entertain any fears as the required arrangements h=
ave been made for the completion of this transfer. Like I said, I require o=
nly a solemn confidentiality on this. <BR><BR>Best regards, <BR><BR>Barr.Pa=
parazy. <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV></FONT></STRONG></td></tr></t=
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van Sinn wrote:

> Which leaves by far the worst CPU hog: Convolution, but how much ?

Depends on how large a sample you want to use.
Charles is right it's a very simple operation,
indeed your 31 band eq will likely use convolution as
the most efficient way to do the filtering.
 
...but 
there can still be an awful lot of work for the processor to do.
The eq is only going to have something like 1024samples to
calculate.

I'm using a dual core 3GHz intel machine and
it just took 15s to convolve a 1 minute file 
with a 5s stereo sample.

So..if I was running it real time (which I wasn't)
it seems reasonable to equate that with 25% use of resources.
...and an equally rough calculation says that a 20s stereo sample
would be the absolute limit for real time convolution on my machine.

...which suggests that if you want to use the convolution for a 
long reverb you might run out of processing power.

Maybe if you're more revealing about what you want the convolution for
then someone whose actually got experience will be able to give you
some better info.

andy butler






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pardon my ignorance but what are loopy cam and ElectroSlate?

Antony Hequet



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I got video recordings of most (but not all, unfortunately) of the sets where we 
had live looping video performances.  You can find them all in raw unedited form 
here:

     http://blueparticles.com/particles/y2kx/

The recordings are direct from the video that was projected.  The files are very 
large - 400 MB typically.  Half of them don't have any sound (noted in the 
titles), but on Saturday I got a direct feed from the mixer and the sound on the 
remaining ones is pretty good.  I am editing Bill Walker's set to put on YouTube 
at some point, and it might be nice to collect samples of isolated ElectroSlate 
visuals (which haven't been recorded or shown much previously), but other than 
that I don't have any plans to edit anything else.  Folks are free to do 
whatever they like with the videos.  At the very least, the artists can see what 
the audience was seeing while they performed. 

If you don't want to download more than 7 GB (the total size of all of them) but 
want to check out a few, I would recommend the Lilli Lewis set for ElectroSlate 
examples, and the Krispen Hartung / Rick Walker and Andrew Aldridge sets for 
LoopyCam examples.   The Bill Walker set is the best combined 
(LoopyCam+ElectroSlate) example, but for that one you can wait for the edited 
version - we might be getting better sound on that one.

     ...Tim...


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div>pardon my ignorance but what are loopy cam and ElectroSlate?</div><div><br></div><div>Antony Hequet</div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Tim Thompson &lt;tjt@nosuch.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, October 20, 2010 5:33:26 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> video recordings from Y2KX<br></font><br>
I got video recordings of most (but not all, unfortunately) of the sets where we had live looping video performances. &nbsp;You can find them all in raw unedited form here:<div><br></div><div><span>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;<a target="_blank" href="http://blueparticles.com/particles/y2kx/">http://blueparticles.com/particles/y2kx/</a></span></div>
<div><br></div><div>The recordings are direct from the video that was projected. &nbsp;The files are very large - 400 MB typically. &nbsp;Half of them don't have any sound (noted in the titles), but on Saturday I got a direct feed from the mixer and the sound on the remaining ones is pretty good. &nbsp;I am editing Bill Walker's set to put on YouTube at some point, and it might be nice to collect samples of isolated ElectroSlate visuals (which haven't been recorded or shown much previously), but other than that I don't have any plans to edit anything else. &nbsp;Folks are free to do whatever they like with the videos. &nbsp;At the very least, the artists can see what the audience was seeing while they performed.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br></div><div>If you don't want to download more than 7 GB (the total size of all of them) but want to check out a few, I would recommend the Lilli Lewis set for ElectroSlate examples, and the Krispen Hartung / Rick Walker and Andrew Aldridge sets for LoopyCam examples. &nbsp; The Bill Walker set is the best combined (LoopyCam+ElectroSlate) example, but for that one you can wait for the edited version - we might be getting better sound on that one.</div>
<div><br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; ...Tim...</div>
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> Which leaves by far the worst CPU hog: Convolution, but how much ?

I use convolution both with Native Instrument's Kontakt 4 and within
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andy butler wrote:
> van Sinn wrote:
> 
>> Which leaves by far the worst CPU hog: Convolution, but how much ?
> 
> 
> Depends on how large a sample you want to use.
> Charles is right it's a very simple operation,
> indeed your 31 band eq will likely use convolution as
> the most efficient way to do the filtering.
> 
> ...but there can still be an awful lot of work for the processor to do.
> The eq is only going to have something like 1024samples to
> calculate.
> 
> I'm using a dual core 3GHz intel machine and
> it just took 15s to convolve a 1 minute file with a 5s stereo sample.
> 
> So..if I was running it real time (which I wasn't)
> it seems reasonable to equate that with 25% use of resources.
> ...and an equally rough calculation says that a 20s stereo sample
> would be the absolute limit for real time convolution on my machine.
> 
> ...which suggests that if you want to use the convolution for a long 
> reverb you might run out of processing power.
> 
> Maybe if you're more revealing about what you want the convolution for
> then someone whose actually got experience will be able to give you
> some better info.
> 
> andy butler

Thanks Andy, Per and Charles.
My bad - I should of course have stated the convolution purpose..
It's for running impulses to emulate the guitar amp/speaker/mic chain.


Further, thinking back on theory on digtal signal processing, I agree on 
how compute intensive digital filters can be; should've used my brain ;)
This part can of what the computer is intended to be used for can be 
left out if need be; it's more on the wish list than strict requirement.


-- 
rgds,
van Sinn

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Just come back at home after that beautiful loopfest and I want to thanks
Rick for this wonderful loopfest.
Last year I've managed 9 loopers here in Rome and can understand how much
efforts and works can require connecting and organizing so many artists
coming from all over the world. This loopfest has gotten bigger and bigger
every year, with many talented musicians and also an interesting melting pot
of musical genres and artists, programmers or creatives sharing ideas,
opinions, desires.
Rick's contribution in growing up this community (or movement, or wherever
you want to call it)  is really huge, IMHO

Thanks to Bill for being the "shadow" of Rick, the "solver" of any problem.
And thanks to Chris and Nancy whose collaboration and dedication were as
precious as breething. Thanks to the dear Georgia for hosting me and Massimo
in her house and all those friends of yours and collaborators, Tim and his
team of visual artists whose contribution has been equally fundamental to
make that terrific machine working well as it did.

It was an amazing week.

-fabio

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Just come back at home after that beautiful loopfest and I want to thanks R=
ick for this wonderful loopfest.<div>Last year I&#39;ve managed 9 loopers h=
ere in Rome and can understand how much efforts and works can require conne=
cting and organizing so many artists coming from all over the world. This l=
oopfest has gotten bigger and bigger every year, with many talented musicia=
ns and also an interesting melting pot of=A0musical genres and=A0artists, p=
rogrammers or creatives sharing ideas, opinions, desires.</div>
<div>Rick&#39;s contribution in growing up this community (or movement, or =
wherever you want to call it) =A0is really huge, IMHO</div><div><br></div><=
div>Thanks to Bill for being the &quot;shadow&quot; of Rick, the &quot;solv=
er&quot; of any problem.</div>
<div>And thanks to Chris and Nancy whose collaboration and dedication were =
as precious as breething. Thanks to the dear Georgia for hosting me and Mas=
simo in her house and all those friends of yours and collaborators, Tim and=
 his team of visual artists whose contribution has been equally fundamental=
 to make that terrific machine working well as it did.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It was an amazing week.</div><div><br></div><div>-fabio=
</div>

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I made a bunch of 11X17 Y2KX Loop Fest Posters
if anyone is interested in them.

I had them printed on heavy 'art' stock and they are printed in
glossy.  They came out beautifullywith Ted Killians all original artwork 
on display.

To raise more funds for the festival expenses,
I'm selling them for $10 USD postage paid.

You can paypal me at  looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com
with your name and address if interested.

If you performed at the festival,  I apologize profusely for
forgetting to hand them out as I had intended on the last night
and day after.

I'll send you one for the price of a packing tube and the mailing costs
in that case.

I won't be sending anything until after my much needed week vacation
which I'm in the glorious and lazy first day of!!!!

thanks,  Rick

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I'll take one of those Rick. 

Thanks for everything!

gfd




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I made a bunch of 11X17 Y2KX Loop Fest Posters
if anyone is interested in them.

I had them printed on heavy 'art' stock and they are printed in
glossy.  They came out beautifullywith Ted Killians all original artwork on 
display.

To raise more funds for the festival expenses,
I'm selling them for $10 USD postage paid.

You can paypal me at  looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com
with your name and address if interested.

If you performed at the festival,  I apologize profusely for
forgetting to hand them out as I had intended on the last night
and day after.

I'll send you one for the price of a packing tube and the mailing costs
in that case.

I won't be sending anything until after my much needed week vacation
which I'm in the glorious and lazy first day of!!!!

thanks,  Rick


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>I'll take one of those Rick.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for everything!</div><div><br></div><div>gfd</div><div><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Rick Walker &lt;looppool@cruzio.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) &lt;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, October 20, 2010 3:56:49 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Y2KX ART POSTERS<br></font><br>
I made a bunch of 11X17 Y2KX Loop Fest Posters<br>if anyone is interested in them.<br><br>I had them printed on heavy 'art' stock and they are printed in<br>glossy.&nbsp; They came out beautifullywith Ted Killians all original artwork on display.<br><br>To raise more funds for the festival expenses,<br>I'm selling them for $10 USD postage paid.<br><br>You can paypal me at&nbsp; looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com<br>with your name and address if interested.<br><br>If you performed at the festival,&nbsp; I apologize profusely for<br>forgetting to hand them out as I had intended on the last night<br>and day after.<br><br>I'll send you one for the price of a packing tube and the mailing costs<br>in that case.<br><br>I won't be sending anything until after my much needed week vacation<br>which I'm in the glorious and lazy first day of!!!!<br><br>thanks,&nbsp; Rick<br><br></div></div><div style="position:fixed"></div>


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oops, sorry Loopers, I thought the email had come straight from Rick.

Mea culpa

gfd



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I'll take one of those Rick. 

Thanks for everything!

gfd




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From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 3:56:49 PM
Subject: Y2KX ART POSTERS

I made a bunch of 11X17 Y2KX Loop Fest Posters
if anyone is interested in them.

I had them printed on heavy 'art' stock and they are printed in
glossy.  They came out beautifullywith Ted Killians all original artwork on 
display.

To raise more funds for the festival expenses,
I'm selling them for $10 USD postage paid.

You can paypal me at  looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com
with your name and address if interested.

If you performed at the festival,  I apologize profusely for
forgetting to hand them out as I had intended on the last night
and day after.

I'll send you one for the price of a packing tube and the mailing costs
in that case.

I won't be sending anything until after my much needed week vacation
which I'm in the glorious and lazy first day of!!!!

thanks,  Rick


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>oops, sorry Loopers, I thought the email had come straight from Rick.</div><div><br></div><div>Mea culpa</div><div><br></div><div>gfd</div><div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> George Demarest &lt;g_demarest@yahoo.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, October 20, 2010 6:16:04 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Y2KX ART POSTERS<br></font><br>
<div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div>I'll take one of those Rick.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for everything!</div><div><br></div><div>gfd</div><div><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Rick Walker &lt;looppool@cruzio.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) &lt;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, October 20, 2010 3:56:49 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Y2KX ART POSTERS<br></font><br>
I made a bunch of 11X17 Y2KX Loop Fest Posters<br>if anyone is interested in them.<br><br>I had them printed on heavy 'art' stock and they are printed in<br>glossy.&nbsp; They came out beautifullywith Ted Killians all original artwork on display.<br><br>To raise more funds for the festival expenses,<br>I'm selling them for $10 USD postage paid.<br><br>You can paypal me at&nbsp; looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com<br>with your name and address if interested.<br><br>If you performed at the festival,&nbsp; I apologize profusely for<br>forgetting to hand them out as I had intended on the last night<br>and day after.<br><br>I'll send you one for the price of a packing tube and the mailing costs<br>in that case.<br><br>I won't be sending anything until after my much needed week vacation<br>which I'm in the glorious and lazy first day of!!!!<br><br>thanks,&nbsp; Rick<br><br></div></div><div style=""></div>


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Hello loopers! Steve Uccello here saying hi, thanks and posting some news a=
bout my project. I had such a great time listening, playing and hanging out=
 at Y2KX!=A0 It was so fun meeting some of you for the first time in person=
.=A0 It's a pretty special gathering of people and I'm honored to be a part=
 of it.=A0The appreciation and openness makes for a really comfortable perf=
orming environment-A *huge* thanks to Rick and the rest of the crew for all=
 the hard work!! =0A=0AVarious highlights I'm all stoked about:=0A   =0A=0A=
I am very exited to be playing a show with the inimitable Bill Walker this =
Friday night in Seaside, CA, here's a link to the facebook event page if an=
y can make it out:=0A=0Ahttp://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=3D16955091305=
5542&index=3D1=0A=0ALastly, I'd like to announce to the list that Australia=
n percussionist/composer, Nat Grant and I have a new virtual duo called 'su=
ng' and a new CD out: 'Melbourne, Monterey' -Here's a link to our bandcamp =
profile, there you can stream the whole record free, purchase a high qualit=
y download, or contact us to get a physical copy of the CD.=0A=0Ahttp://sun=
g-duo.bandcamp.com/=A0=0A=0AIf any are curious to here a little background =
on the collaboration, check out this wonderful podcast I did just last nigh=
t w/ bass phenom/producer Jeff Schmidt: =0A=0Ahttp://www.jeff-schmidt.com/s=
lsnc/audio/schmidt_uccello_sung_podcast_102010.mp3=0A=0A=0AThanks to all fo=
r your time, I hope to be able meet more of you someday, and also hope you'=
re all doing well-Steve Uccello=0A=0Ap.s. Here's a vid from my set at the f=
est:=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRAUhx4PMreA Y2KX vid-Atalanta Fu=
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Steve, it was very nice to meet you and get to see you perform! The whole 
Y2K experience was jsut wonderful! I completely agree with you in thanks to 
Rick, his family all the encouragment and kindness before and during the 
fest. I am very happy to be a part of this event. A dream of a lifetime for 
me!
I got to play with my guitar duo Gaetano Fontanazza whom i had never met in 
RL until the day before we played.and a bit of a solo set.

I didn't get much video of my set but here is the opener that Jim Goodin 
shot, thanks Jim!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk4QtY41R8Y

peace out,

J



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From: "Steve Uccello" <stevebassbird@yahoo.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:59 PM
Subject: Y2KX Thankfulness & Uccello Project News/Shows/Nat Grant collab 
announcement


Hello loopers! Steve Uccello here saying hi, thanks and posting some news 
about my project. I had such a great time listening, playing and hanging out 
at Y2KX! It was so fun meeting some of you for the first time in person. 
It's a pretty special gathering of people and I'm honored to be a part of 
it. The appreciation and openness makes for a really comfortable performing 
environment-A *huge* thanks to Rick and the rest of the crew for all the 
hard work!!

Various highlights I'm all stoked about:


I am very exited to be playing a show with the inimitable Bill Walker this 
Friday night in Seaside, CA, here's a link to the facebook event page if any 
can make it out:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=169550913055542&index=1

Lastly, I'd like to announce to the list that Australian 
percussionist/composer, Nat Grant and I have a new virtual duo called 'sung' 
and a new CD out: 'Melbourne, Monterey' -Here's a link to our bandcamp 
profile, there you can stream the whole record free, purchase a high quality 
download, or contact us to get a physical copy of the CD.

http://sung-duo.bandcamp.com/

If any are curious to here a little background on the collaboration, check 
out this wonderful podcast I did just last night w/ bass phenom/producer 
Jeff Schmidt:

http://www.jeff-schmidt.com/slsnc/audio/schmidt_uccello_sung_podcast_102010.mp3


Thanks to all for your time, I hope to be able meet more of you someday, and 
also hope you're all doing well-Steve Uccello

p.s. Here's a vid from my set at the fest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAUhx4PMreA Y2KX vid-Atalanta Fugiens




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h me for contacting you through this media as it is the easiest way I can c=
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to introduce my self to you before relenting you the business i want to eng=
age with you, my name is Mr George Jones manager audit and account departme=
nt of our bank, African development bank (ADB) Ouagadougou Burkina Faso in =
West Africa. <br><br>infect I kindly made up my mind to contact you to use =
your account to transfer the sum of (39,500,000) thirty nine million five h=
undred thousand USA Dollars in account, this money was discovered in the ac=
count of our late bank customer who died with his family in air crash leavi=
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me after the claim of this fund the bank will remit the fund into our bank =
treasurer as an abandoned fund which i don't want the money to go into our =
bank treasurer as an abandoned fund, this is the reasons of my earnest sear=
ch of a foreigner who is reliable and trustworthy that can handle this conf=
idential transaction with me for all assistance to enable us claim the fund=
 so that the bank can release the money to your account as the next of kin =
to the deceased customer.<br><br>After the funds have successfully transfer=
red into your account your share will be 40% of the total sum while 60% wil=
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Subject: My Y2KX recording
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Or is that Y2K-X?

http://grubmah.com/music/y2kx.mp3

Equipment: Taylor T3/B --> Way Huge Swollen Pickle --> Lovepedal Pickle =
Vibe --> Lovepedal Eternity Fuse Overdrive --> Line6 M13 --> Ernie Ball =
Stereo Volume Pedal --> Tech21 Blonde (left) & Liverpool (right) --> =
Line6 M13 ( --> M-Audio Microtrack II --> board)

Mark

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Subject: Re: Some observations about Y2KX
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I definitely reduced the scale of my looping set up. I thought briefly =
about bringing a rack with me this year but in the end I really wasn't =
motivated to do so. I've gotten used to having two EDPs so that I can =
let one maintain a reasonably steady pulse and use the other mostly as a =
shorter echo. I hadn't really gotten used to the stripped down world of =
just using the looper in the Line6 M13 so I was probably more inclined =
to just let it play in the background though I always feel guilty when =
doing so on the basis that that seems more like simple accompaniment =
rather than "live looping". That said, while I think I liked my set at =
Y2K7 better, I didn't find myself needing to restart any loops this =
year.

And in the more things change, the more things stay the same... someone =
should figure out the percentage of performers who are principally =
guitarists.

Mark

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On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote:

> Equipment: Taylor T3/B --> Way Huge Swollen Pickle --> Lovepedal =
Pickle Vibe --> Lovepedal Eternity Fuse Overdrive --> Line6 M13 --> =
Ernie Ball Stereo Volume Pedal --> Tech21 Blonde (left) & Liverpool =
(right) --> Line6 M13 ( --> M-Audio Microtrack II --> board)

In the quest for further simplification, if someone can recommend a good =
option for feeding stereo amp simulators, I'm tempted to replace the M13 =
with an M9 if I can manage to fit everything on one pedal board.

I would also note that Barry Cleveland's set now has me wanting a =
Euthymia ICBM fuzz -- and I just got the Swollen Pickle...

Mark

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I'd like to be able to use the 12 pads of a Nanopad as midi program change
controllers to control plugins in Bidule. But they send Note on/offs, not
CCs, so Bidule doesn't recognize them in the learn mode. Is there a way to
map the Nanopad note on/off signals to cc commands - on the fly, without
reprogramming it using the Kontrol editor (which would make global changes)?

-Michael

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I don't own a Nanopad, but I can suggest bidule "remappers" (search on
palette) to remap type, number e value of a midi command.
It works perfectly for me.

fabio

2010/10/21 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>

> I'd like to be able to use the 12 pads of a Nanopad as midi program change
> controllers to control plugins in Bidule. But they send Note on/offs, not
> CCs, so Bidule doesn't recognize them in the learn mode. Is there a way to
> map the Nanopad note on/off signals to cc commands - on the fly, without
> reprogramming it using the Kontrol editor (which would make global
> changes)?
>
> -Michael
>
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<div>I don&#39;t own a Nanopad, but I can suggest bidule &quot;remappers&qu=
ot; (search on palette) to remap type, number e value of a midi command. </=
div>
<div>It=A0works perfectly for me.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>fabio<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/10/21 Michael Peters <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:mp@mpeters.de">mp@mpeters.de</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I&#39;d like to be able to use t=
he 12 pads of a Nanopad as midi program change<br>controllers to control pl=
ugins in Bidule. But they send Note on/offs, not<br>
CCs, so Bidule doesn&#39;t recognize them in the learn mode. Is there a way=
 to<br>map the Nanopad note on/off signals to cc commands - on the fly, wit=
hout<br>reprogramming it using the Kontrol editor (which would make global =
changes)?<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>-Michael<br><br></font></blockquote></div><br>

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That's beautiful, Matthias !

fabio


2010/10/15 Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com>

> youhou!
>
> I still hang on to my idea of having the most popular 3 minutes of each
> artist to create a panorama for the worlds music listeners and curious about
> LiveLooping
>
> so we made a start and edited our "Cherli" ( a swiss expression for a
> simple chord change )
> apart from one cut, is all live:
>
> http://matthiasgrob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Matthias+Tim-Cherli.mp3
>
> does somebody have the video that matches it?
>
> have fun
> Matthias + Tim
>

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<div>That&#39;s beautiful, Matthias !</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>fabio</div>
<div><br>=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/10/15 Matthias Grob <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:matilists@gmail.com">matilists@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br=
>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">youhou!<br><br>I still hang on t=
o my idea of having the most popular 3 minutes of each artist to create a p=
anorama for the worlds music listeners and curious about LiveLooping<br>
<br>so we made a start and edited our &quot;Cherli&quot; ( a swiss expressi=
on for a simple chord change )<br>apart from one cut, is all live:<br><br><=
a href=3D"http://matthiasgrob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Matthias+Tim-Cherli.mp3" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://matthiasgrob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Matthias+Tim-Cherli=
.mp3</a><br>
<br>does somebody have the video that matches it?<br><br>have fun<br>Matthi=
as + Tim<br></blockquote></div><br>

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Yes, I did the same observations. Interesting! But I would say that is
to be expected given the more portable modern gear available and the
raised costs for traveling with gear.


On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
> And in the more things change, the more things stay the same... someone s=
hould figure out the percentage of performers who are principally guitarist=
s.

Do you think that would be a different percentage than the percentage
of guitarists compared to all other specialized musicians?

I too wanted to use guitar as sound source at this festival but facing
the transportation cost of =E2=82=AC 110 for a guitar I settled with only a
flute.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Well, here I am sat at work, its minus 3 outside...
I want to thank Rick for an absolutely amazing experience, Bill, Nancy and
Chris for their hospitality, all the amazing and inspiring performances.
It was an honour to finally meet up with all those LDers that I have been
rabbiting with all these years, especially Fabio, Mattias, Jeff D, Jeff L,
Micheal, Ted, Per, Krispen.. well just everyone really.. Thanks to Miro, who
I met on the plane and became a great drinking buddy...

Its not fair to judge, every single act I saw blew me away, but I would like
to highlight a few performances that stood out to my ears...
Per, for incredible distorted flute, lush textures, and warped rhythms.
Bill, (and Nancy) for... well... the most accomplished, seamless, looping I
have ever heard.
Massimo... that iPhone... cool...
Miro, for an insanely cool organic buildup to the most kick-ass beat in the
whole festival,
Kris and Rick, for the free jazz msp bleeps and bloops...
and the winner is:
The Balloon man! (San Jose set...) wow...

oh well....

back to life... back to reality...

Thanks again Rick

Mark


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Well, here I am sat at work, its minus 3 outside...<br>I want to thank Rick=
 for an absolutely amazing experience, Bill, Nancy and Chris for their hosp=
itality, all the amazing and inspiring performances.<br>It was an honour to=
 finally meet up with all those LDers that I have been rabbiting with all t=
hese years, especially Fabio, Mattias, Jeff D, Jeff L, Micheal, Ted, Per, K=
rispen.. well just everyone really.. Thanks to Miro, who I met on the plane=
 and became a great drinking buddy... <br>

<br>Its not fair to judge, every single act I saw blew me away, but I would=
 like to highlight a few performances that stood out to my ears...<br>Per, =
for incredible distorted flute, lush textures, and warped rhythms.<br>
Bill, (and Nancy) for... well... the most accomplished, seamless, looping I=
 have ever heard.<br>
Massimo... that iPhone... cool...<br>Miro, for an insanely cool organic bui=
ldup to the most kick-ass beat in the whole festival, <br>Kris and Rick, fo=
r the free jazz msp bleeps and bloops...<br>and the winner is:<br>The Ballo=
on man! (San Jose set...) wow...<br>

<br>oh well....<br><br>back to life... back to reality...<br><br>Thanks aga=
in Rick<br><br>Mark<br><br clear=3D"all">
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com" target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markfrancombe<br>=
<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/=
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<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no" target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no</a><b=
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Hi loopers, hope you are all well!

=20

Been reading through the feedback from Y2KX and noticed that someone
used an Iphone for looping in their set..... would love to know more!
I'm using an iphone too in my looping set up and would be really
interested to know what apps, hardware to connect the iphone to the rest
of the equipment, plus anything else relevant were used by Massimo.=20

=20

If anyone can share some info it would be appreciated!

=20

Thanks.

=20

Rob

=20

________________________________

From: markfrancombe@gmail.com [mailto:markfrancombe@gmail.com] On Behalf
Of mark francombe
Sent: 21 October 2010 11:16
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Subject: Y2K-X cold turkey

=20

Well, here I am sat at work, its minus 3 outside...
I want to thank Rick for an absolutely amazing experience, Bill, Nancy
and Chris for their hospitality, all the amazing and inspiring
performances.
It was an honour to finally meet up with all those LDers that I have
been rabbiting with all these years, especially Fabio, Mattias, Jeff D,
Jeff L, Micheal, Ted, Per, Krispen.. well just everyone really.. Thanks
to Miro, who I met on the plane and became a great drinking buddy...=20

Its not fair to judge, every single act I saw blew me away, but I would
like to highlight a few performances that stood out to my ears...
Per, for incredible distorted flute, lush textures, and warped rhythms.
Bill, (and Nancy) for... well... the most accomplished, seamless,
looping I have ever heard.
Massimo... that iPhone... cool...
Miro, for an insanely cool organic buildup to the most kick-ass beat in
the whole festival,=20
Kris and Rick, for the free jazz msp bleeps and bloops...
and the winner is:
The Balloon man! (San Jose set...) wow...

oh well....

back to life... back to reality...

Thanks again Rick

Mark


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love to know more! I&#8217;m using an iphone too in my looping set up =
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be really interested to know what apps, hardware to connect the iphone =
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Chris for their hospitality, all the amazing and inspiring =
performances.<br>
It was an honour to finally meet up with all those LDers that I have =
been
rabbiting with all these years, especially Fabio, Mattias, Jeff D, Jeff =
L,
Micheal, Ted, Per, Krispen.. well just everyone really.. Thanks to Miro, =
who I
met on the plane and became a great drinking buddy... <br>
<br>
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like to
highlight a few performances that stood out to my ears...<br>
Per, for incredible distorted flute, lush textures, and warped =
rhythms.<br>
Bill, (and Nancy) for... well... the most accomplished, seamless, =
looping I
have ever heard.<br>
Massimo... that iPhone... cool...<br>
Miro, for an insanely cool organic buildup to the most kick-ass beat in =
the
whole festival, <br>
Kris and Rick, for the free jazz msp bleeps and bloops...<br>
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<br>
oh well....<br>
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Thanks again Rick<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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<br>
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mark francombe<br>
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that's it
...specifically the Multi-Message Remapper is the one.

You may also need a Note Velocity Filter to get rid of the note-offs.

Having done that, I'm not sure the Midi Learn will work in that way :-(

 
What exactly do you want to achieve?
selecting fx presets?( that's achievable...just ask)

andy 




Fabio_A wrote:
> I don't own a Nanopad, but I can suggest bidule "remappers" (search on 
> palette) to remap type, number e value of a midi command.
> It works perfectly for me.
>  
> fabio
> 
> 2010/10/21 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de <mailto:mp@mpeters.de>>
> 
>     I'd like to be able to use the 12 pads of a Nanopad as midi program
>     change
>     controllers to control plugins in Bidule. But they send Note
>     on/offs, not
>     CCs, so Bidule doesn't recognize them in the learn mode. Is there a
>     way to
>     map the Nanopad note on/off signals to cc commands - on the fly, without
>     reprogramming it using the Kontrol editor (which would make global
>     changes)?
> 
>     -Michael
> 
> 

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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:27 AM,  <RKoster@uk.imshealth.com> wrote:
> Been reading through the feedback from Y2KX and noticed that someone used=
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> Iphone for looping in their set=E2=80=A6.. would love to know more! I=E2=
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> apps, hardware to connect the iphone to the rest of the equipment, plus
> anything else relevant were used by Massimo.>
>
> If anyone can share some info it would be appreciated!


I suggest you post that question on this list under an appropriate
subject line - "cold turkey" will probably not catch the eye of the
iPone loopers ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Good point Per - title changed!!

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Hi loopers, hope you are all well!

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Been reading through the feedback from Y2KX and noticed that someone
used an Iphone for looping in their set..... would love to know more!
I'm using an iphone too in my looping set up and would be really
interested to know what apps, hardware to connect the iphone to the rest
of the equipment, plus anything else relevant were used by Massimo.=20

=20

If anyone can share some info it would be appreciated!

=20

Thanks.

=20

Rob

=20

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Subject: Y2K-X cold turkey

=20

Well, here I am sat at work, its minus 3 outside...
I want to thank Rick for an absolutely amazing experience, Bill, Nancy
and Chris for their hospitality, all the amazing and inspiring
performances.
It was an honour to finally meet up with all those LDers that I have
been rabbiting with all these years, especially Fabio, Mattias, Jeff D,
Jeff L, Micheal, Ted, Per, Krispen.. well just everyone really.. Thanks
to Miro, who I met on the plane and became a great drinking buddy...=20

Its not fair to judge, every single act I saw blew me away, but I would
like to highlight a few performances that stood out to my ears...
Per, for incredible distorted flute, lush textures, and warped rhythms.
Bill, (and Nancy) for... well... the most accomplished, seamless,
looping I have ever heard.
Massimo... that iPhone... cool...
Miro, for an insanely cool organic buildup to the most kick-ass beat in
the whole festival,=20
Kris and Rick, for the free jazz msp bleeps and bloops...
and the winner is:
The Balloon man! (San Jose set...) wow...

oh well....

back to life... back to reality...

Thanks again Rick

Mark


--=20
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>Good point Per &#8211; title =
changed!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>Hi loopers, hope you are all =
well!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>Been reading through the feedback =
from
Y2KX and noticed that someone used an Iphone for looping in their =
set&#8230;..
would love to know more! I&#8217;m using an iphone too in my looping set =
up and
would be really interested to know what apps, hardware to connect the =
iphone to
the rest of the equipment, plus anything else relevant were used by =
Massimo. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>If anyone can share some info it =
would
be appreciated!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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markfrancombe@gmail.com [mailto:markfrancombe@gmail.com] <b><span
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 21 October 2010 =
11:16<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> loopers-delight<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Y2K-X cold =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Well, here I am sat at work, its minus 3 outside...<br>
I want to thank Rick for an absolutely amazing experience, Bill, Nancy =
and
Chris for their hospitality, all the amazing and inspiring =
performances.<br>
It was an honour to finally meet up with all those LDers that I have =
been
rabbiting with all these years, especially Fabio, Mattias, Jeff D, Jeff =
L,
Micheal, Ted, Per, Krispen.. well just everyone really.. Thanks to Miro, =
who I
met on the plane and became a great drinking buddy... <br>
<br>
Its not fair to judge, every single act I saw blew me away, but I would =
like to
highlight a few performances that stood out to my ears...<br>
Per, for incredible distorted flute, lush textures, and warped =
rhythms.<br>
Bill, (and Nancy) for... well... the most accomplished, seamless, =
looping I
have ever heard.<br>
Massimo... that iPhone... cool...<br>
Miro, for an insanely cool organic buildup to the most kick-ass beat in =
the
whole festival, <br>
Kris and Rick, for the free jazz msp bleeps and bloops...<br>
and the winner is:<br>
The Balloon man! (<st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">San =
Jose</st1:City></st1:place>
set...) wow...<br>
<br>
oh well....<br>
<br>
back to life... back to reality...<br>
<br>
Thanks again Rick<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
<br clear=3Dall>
<br>
-- <br>
mark francombe<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>
twitter @markfrancombe<br>
<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" =
target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Here's a video from the first part of my set at the Y2KX main festival I've
just posted on FB.
Audio recording is not perfect, but it gives a rough idea about what was
going on.
Deep thanks to Mark Courtney Fracombe for shooting the entire act with his
IPhone and for adding the "manual rotation" effect which 's a perfect
complement to the music and the visuals projected at my back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG3ThxTaK1Q

Fabio

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<div>Deep thanks to Mark Courtney Fracombe for shooting the entire act with=
 his IPhone and for adding the &quot;manual rotation&quot; effect which &#3=
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<div>=A0</div>
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Hate to do this but I'm broke... I'd rather see it go to one of you then =
sold in pieces.=20

Pictures on Craigslist:  =
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/msg/2017602941.html

For Sale: A complete EDP/Midi based dream hardware looping station for =
guitarists! Super versatile yet super simple and portable! $2399

This is version 3 of my dream EDP based loop station for a midi guitar + =
two instruments (the regular guitar output plus another, for instance.) =
Everything but a few of the pedals (which were used in earlier versions =
of my loop station) are in absolutely pristine condition. I never gigged =
with it at all. Actually, I hardly played with it.=20

In order of appearance in the picture from top to bottom and left to =
right.

Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus w/ Loop4 and Foot Switch (On Ebay for =
$775)  Mine is Like New! I'll sell for $649
=
http://cgi.ebay.com/Echoplex-Digital-Pro-Plus-Looper-/260680156345?pt=3DGu=
itar_Accessories&hash=3Ditem3cb1bf84b9#ht_500wt_1079

Terratec Axon Ax 100 is a Guitar-to-Midi Controller ($1200 new, if you =
can find =91em!) Mine is Like New! I'll sell for $799
http://4beatz.com/proddetail~prod~axonax100.htm
(Pickup and cable do not come with it, those are sold separately and I'm =
keeping mine.)

Custom modified cymbol stand with welded plate to hold rack mounts...  =
Oh, lets call it $75

Furman SPB8C Stereo Pedalboard with Power Conditioner and Case  ($350 =
New)  Like new for $299
http://www.zzounds.com/item--FURSPB8

Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal ($100 Online) My price:  $75=20
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/NS2/

2 Boss RV-3 Digital Reverb/Delay Pedals $150 used on-line (x2) =3D $300. =
But for you... $199 for the pair.
(One for guitar, one for whatever=92s selected via the Morley Switches=20=

=
http://compare.ebay.com/like/160494060388?ltyp=3DAllFixedPriceItemTypes&va=
r=3Dsbar&rvr_id=3D156417002903&crlp=3D1_263602_304662&UA=3DM*S%3F&GUID=3Db=
0ac3e631170a0e201f15441fffcf67b&itemid=3D160494060388&ff4=3D263602_304662

Ibanez TS9 9 Series Tubescreamer Distortion Guitar Effects Pedal (online =
for 99) My price:  $75
=
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=3Dsafari&rls=3Den&q=3Dibanez=
+tube+screamer&oe=3DUTF-8&um=3D1&ie=3DUTF-8&cid=3D5084989520753567920&ei=3D=
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2 Morley AB Switches $54.95 Each (x2) =3D $110 new.  My price: $75 for =
the pair.
(One for 2 instruments out to the second. The second switches (or mixes) =
that (or them) and the Axon AX100.
http://www.zzounds.com/item--MLYABY

Rocktron MidiMate (Midi controller for switching presets on the Axon =
AX100) $200 new. My price: $129=20
=
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Rocktron-MIDI-MATE-MIDI-Control=
-Pedal?sku=3D150139&src=3D3WWRWXGB&ZYXSEM=3D0&gclid=3DCJq6tpT246QCFQpvbAod=
U3wnKA

(I=92m keeping the VM2-1 Sustain pedal pictured in the lower left.)

Plus something like 14 audio cables and 2 midi cables, most cut to an =
exact fit. (All are working fine and should continue being fine, but =
they're not guaranteed... they are used cables after all.) Lets call it =
$100


So $2,475 gets just about any sound out of your head and into the world, =
without lots of weight and bulk or software crashes.=20

Hell, let's make it an even $2,399 for the package. (That's a further =
discount instead of an up-charge for thinking it all out and putting it =
all together!)

New this would all be North of $3800 ish.  (My best guess if everything =
listed was brand new in a box.)=20

TRANSACTION DETAILS:
1) I absolutely hate shipping stuff so I usually sell =
cash-in-person-only but obviously only we loopers will understand the =
true magic of having all these things together so I'm making an =
exception for Loopers Delight folk since we're likely all spread out. (I =
live in Portland OR.)
2) That means I'm not really interested in splitting it all up, but we =
can take a few things you won't want out or if there's only 2 or 3 =
divisions, that'd be fine.=20
3) Buyer pays packing, shipping, insurance and decides the shipping =
method.=20
4) How do people usually protect both interests when shipping stuff? =
Like, sellers know they'll get the money and buyers know they're buying =
things that work as advertised? (Everything works.) However people do =
that, I'm fine with that, I just don't know because I never do it! If =
somehow you live in portland, hooray, you get an EDP lesson to boot, if =
you like!=20
5) Serious inquiries only please! If you think I'm wildly off on some =
price, let me know and show me a link but other then that, I'm pretty =
firm. The Axon Ax 100 is the only one I'm uncertain of... I thought that =
was cheeper.... maybe I misread the link and that one came with a pickup =
but it didn't seem that way. Anyway, if I'm wrong about that let me know =
but I probably won't go much less because you can't get them anymore =
anyway! If there is an error in my logic though, let me know. I trust =
this community.=20

You're better off using darrow@christopherdarrow.com for actual =
inquires.  (No use snooping on christopherdarrow.com though, fyi, my =
music isn't up anywhere, just some video work at www.synstu.com )
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"><div><br></div><div>Hate to do this but I'm broke... I'd rather see it =
go to one of you then sold in =
pieces.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Pictures on Craigslist: &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/msg/2017602941.html">http://por=
tland.craigslist.org/mlt/msg/2017602941.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>=
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
"><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">For Sale: A complete EDP/Midi =
based dream hardware looping station for guitarists! Super versatile yet =
super simple and portable! $2399</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: =
normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><span =
style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
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normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><span =
style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">This is version 3 of my dream EDP based =
loop station for a midi guitar + two instruments (the regular guitar =
output plus another, for instance.) Everything but a few of the pedals =
(which were used in earlier versions of my loop station) are in =
absolutely pristine condition. I never gigged with it at all. Actually, =
I hardly played with it.&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: =
normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><span =
style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
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normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><span =
style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">In order of appearance in the picture =
from top to bottom and left to right.</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
min-height: 14px; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">Gibson =
Echoplex Digital Pro Plus w/ Loop4 and Foot Switch (On Ebay for =
$775)&nbsp; Mine is Like New! I'll sell for $649</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
color: rgb(30, 0, 168); "><span style=3D"text-decoration: underline ; =
letter-spacing: 0.0px"><a =
href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/Echoplex-Digital-Pro-Plus-Looper-/260680156345=
?pt=3DGuitar_Accessories&amp;hash=3Ditem3cb1bf84b9#ht_500wt_1079">http://c=
gi.ebay.com/Echoplex-Digital-Pro-Plus-Looper-/260680156345?pt=3DGuitar_Acc=
essories&amp;hash=3Ditem3cb1bf84b9#ht_500wt_1079</a></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
min-height: 14px; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">Terratec =
Axon Ax 100 is a Guitar-to-Midi Controller ($1200 new, if you can find =
=91em!) Mine is Like New! I'll sell for $799</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
color: rgb(30, 0, 168); "><span style=3D"text-decoration: underline ; =
letter-spacing: 0.0px"><a =
href=3D"http://4beatz.com/proddetail~prod~axonax100.htm">http://4beatz.com=
/proddetail~prod~axonax100.htm</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: =
normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><span =
style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">(Pickup and cable do not come with it, =
those are sold separately and I'm keeping mine.)</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
min-height: 14px; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">Custom =
modified cymbol stand with welded plate to hold rack mounts...&nbsp; Oh, =
lets call it $75</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><span =
style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: =
normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><span =
style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">Furman SPB8C Stereo Pedalboard with =
Power Conditioner and Case&nbsp; ($350 New)&nbsp; Like new for =
$299</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 0, 168); "><span =
style=3D"text-decoration: underline ; letter-spacing: 0.0px"><a =
href=3D"http://www.zzounds.com/item--FURSPB8">http://www.zzounds.com/item-=
-FURSPB8</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">Boss NS-2 =
Noise Suppressor Pedal ($100 Online) My price:&nbsp; =
$75&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 0, 168); "><span =
style=3D"text-decoration: underline ; letter-spacing: 0.0px"><a =
href=3D"http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/NS2/">http://www.sweetwater=
.com/store/detail/NS2/</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><span =
style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
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normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><span =
style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">2 Boss RV-3 Digital Reverb/Delay Pedals =
$150 used on-line (x2) =3D $300. But for you... $199 for the =
pair.</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">(One for =
guitar, one for whatever=92s selected via the Morley =
Switches&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 0, 168); "><span =
style=3D"text-decoration: underline ; letter-spacing: 0.0px"><a =
href=3D"http://compare.ebay.com/like/160494060388?ltyp=3DAllFixedPriceItem=
Types&amp;var=3Dsbar&amp;rvr_id=3D156417002903&amp;crlp=3D1_263602_304662&=
amp;UA=3DM*S%3F&amp;GUID=3Db0ac3e631170a0e201f15441fffcf67b&amp;itemid=3D1=
60494060388&amp;ff4=3D263602_304662">http://compare.ebay.com/like/16049406=
0388?ltyp=3DAllFixedPriceItemTypes&amp;var=3Dsbar&amp;rvr_id=3D15641700290=
3&amp;crlp=3D1_263602_304662&amp;UA=3DM*S%3F&amp;GUID=3Db0ac3e631170a0e201=
f15441fffcf67b&amp;itemid=3D160494060388&amp;ff4=3D263602_304662</a></span=
></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
min-height: 14px; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">Ibanez =
TS9 9 Series Tubescreamer Distortion Guitar Effects Pedal (online for =
99) My price:&nbsp; $75</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 0, 168); "><span =
style=3D"text-decoration: underline ; letter-spacing: 0.0px"><a =
href=3D"http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=3Dsafari&amp;rls=3De=
n&amp;q=3Dibanez+tube+screamer&amp;oe=3DUTF-8&amp;um=3D1&amp;ie=3DUTF-8&am=
p;cid=3D5084989520753567920&amp;ei=3DeDHATJPXAZO-sQPJr7ihDA&amp;sa=3DX&amp=
;oi=3Dproduct_catalog_result&amp;ct=3Dimage&amp;resnum=3D1&amp;ved=3D0CEMQ=
8gIwAA#">http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=3Dsafari&amp;rls=3D=
en&amp;q=3Dibanez+tube+screamer&amp;oe=3DUTF-8&amp;um=3D1&amp;ie=3DUTF-8&a=
mp;cid=3D5084989520753567920&amp;ei=3DeDHATJPXAZO-sQPJr7ihDA&amp;sa=3DX&am=
p;oi=3Dproduct_catalog_result&amp;ct=3Dimage&amp;resnum=3D1&amp;ved=3D0CEM=
Q8gIwAA#</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">2 Morley =
AB Switches $54.95 Each (x2) =3D $110 new.&nbsp; My price: $75 for the =
pair.</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">(One for =
2 instruments out to the second. The second switches (or mixes) that (or =
them) and the Axon AX100.</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 0, 168); "><span =
style=3D"text-decoration: underline ; letter-spacing: 0.0px"><a =
href=3D"http://www.zzounds.com/item--MLYABY">http://www.zzounds.com/item--=
MLYABY</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">Rocktron =
MidiMate (Midi controller for switching presets on the Axon AX100) $200 =
new. My price: $129&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(30, 0, 168); "><span =
style=3D"text-decoration: underline ; letter-spacing: 0.0px"><a =
href=3D"http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Rocktron-MIDI-MATE-MIDI=
-Control-Pedal?sku=3D150139&amp;src=3D3WWRWXGB&amp;ZYXSEM=3D0&amp;gclid=3D=
CJq6tpT246QCFQpvbAodU3wnKA">http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roc=
ktron-MIDI-MATE-MIDI-Control-Pedal?sku=3D150139&amp;src=3D3WWRWXGB&amp;ZYX=
SEM=3D0&amp;gclid=3DCJq6tpT246QCFQpvbAodU3wnKA</a></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
min-height: 14px; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">(I=92m =
keeping the VM2-1 Sustain pedal pictured in the lower =
left.)</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">Plus =
something like 14 audio cables and 2 midi cables, most cut to an exact =
fit. (All are working fine and should continue being fine, but they're =
not guaranteed... they are used cables after all.) Lets call it =
$100</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">So $2,475 =
gets just about any sound out of your head and into the world, without =
lots of weight and bulk or software crashes.&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
"><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px"><br></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
"><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">Hell, let's make it an even =
$2,399 for the package. (That's a further discount instead of an =
up-charge for thinking it all out and putting it all =
together!)</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">New this =
would all be North of $3800 ish.&nbsp; (My best guess if everything =
listed was brand new in a box.)&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
min-height: 14px; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px"></span><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px">TRANSACTION DETAILS:</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px">1) I absolutely hate shipping stuff so I usually sell =
cash-in-person-only but obviously only we loopers will understand the =
true magic of having all these things together so I'm making an =
exception for Loopers Delight folk since we're likely all spread out. (I =
live in Portland OR.)</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px">2) That means I'm not really interested in splitting it all up, =
but we can take a few things you won't want out or if there's only 2 or =
3 divisions, that'd be fine.&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: =
normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><span =
style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">3) Buyer pays packing, shipping, =
insurance and decides the shipping method.&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
"><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">4) How do people usually protect =
both interests when shipping stuff? Like, sellers know they'll get the =
money and buyers know they're buying things that work as advertised? =
(Everything works.) However people do that, I'm fine with that, I just =
don't know because I never do it! If somehow you live in portland, =
hooray, you get an EDP lesson to boot, if you =
like!&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">5) =
Serious inquiries only please! If you think I'm wildly off on some =
price, let me know and show me a link but other then that, I'm pretty =
firm. The Axon Ax 100 is the only one I'm uncertain of... I thought that =
was cheeper.... maybe I misread the link and that one came with a pickup =
but it didn't seem that way. Anyway, if I'm wrong about that let me know =
but I probably won't go much less because you can't get them anymore =
anyway! If there is an error in my logic though, let me know. I trust =
this community.&nbsp;</span></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: =
0.0px"><br></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; "><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">You're =
better off using <a =
href=3D"mailto:darrow@christopherdarrow.com">darrow@christopherdarrow.com<=
/a> for actual inquires. &nbsp;(No use snooping on <a =
href=3D"http://christopherdarrow.com">christopherdarrow.com</a> though, =
fyi, my music isn't up anywhere, just some video work at <a =
href=3D"http://www.synstu.com">www.synstu.com</a> )</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
"><span style=3D"letter-spacing: 0.0px">USA =
503.327.9329</span></div></body></html>=

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From: judy peterson <judycare13@att.net>
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Subject: Is me Judy From (www.loopers-delight.com)
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Hello sweetie

My name is judy, i am 25yrs old, i'm a free minded, open hearted girl, i like to take life as easy as i could, i'm one of the few that still belives in friendship,love, trust and signs, am very much single and ready to mingle. was browsing through the internet and came across your contact at (www.loopers-delight.com) belive me i like what i see and i am attracted to you, it will be my sincere pleasure to be your friend if you don't mind, i hope you will not take my request for granted, feel free to email me, i will appreciate it if you can send me some pics to my private email address, i look forward to hear from you soon.
Take care.

Judy.
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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Hello sweetie<br><br>My name is judy, i am 25yrs old, i'm a free minded, open hearted girl, i like to take life as easy as i could, i'm one of the few that still belives in friendship,love, trust and signs, am very much single and ready to mingle. was browsing through the internet and came across your contact at (www.loopers-delight.com) belive me i like what i see and i am attracted to you, it will be my sincere pleasure to be your friend if you don't mind, i hope you will not take my request for granted, feel free to email me, i will appreciate it if you can send me some pics to my private email address, i look forward to hear from you soon.<br>Take care.<br><br>Judy.</td></tr></table>
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Yes 'COLD TURKEY' is the way 'm feeling now...wow
I think Per refers to me...Instead of Per opinion i noticed the message :-)=
))=20
eh eh great Per!!!
I' d like to express my opinion about that, but before do it i have some=20
important things to say:

I think not to lie saying that for me has been one the most fastastic week =
of=20
my life.
I'd never been to an Y2k before, this is my first time, someone says that=
=20
could be the LAST but=20
i don't think so, this huge amount of energy, creativity and diversity that=
=20
spreads out it of it CAN'T
END with this year, maybe something will change and this is right, but let'=
s=20
try to continue this important tradition.
Then i'd like to say that i've apreciate the huge amount of creativity,=20
humanity and diversity that spreads out and that
this is the REAL VALUE of this event together with all the important things=
=20
about styiles, tecniques, skills and so on.

In the end 'id like to say INFINITE LOOPED THANKS:=20
to RICK for his infinite patient following the whole logistics of the fest
to BILL for the instruments, stuffs, technics and so on=20
to CHRIS and NANCY for the support to us and... to their men=20
to ALL CONTRIBUTORS, locationers, sounds, video etc etc
and the last but not the least  'GEORGINA' for her  ospitality, heart and=
=20
spirit=20

Now i can answer to the question:=20
There are tons of apps about music, for this fest i've used only
PROLOOP and THUMBJAM Infact both of them  can support=20
custom samplings that were things important for my performance.
I connected my iphone directly to my macbook in order to use moebius as=20
added looper. Very simple configuration.

So i'd like to say that i left my heart in... S. CRUZ
HELLO TO THE ALL LOOPERS!
LONG LIVE LOOPING!=20

Massimo  'MAX Liver'




>----Messaggio originale----
>Da: perboysen@gmail.com
>Data: 21/10/2010 12.39
>A: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Ogg: Re: Y2K-X cold turkey
>
>On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:27 AM,  <RKoster@uk.imshealth.com> wrote:
>> Been reading through the feedback from Y2KX and noticed that someone use=
d=20
an
>> Iphone for looping in their set=E2=80=A6.. would love to know more! I=E2=
=80=99m using an
>> iphone too in my looping set up and would be really interested to know w=
hat
>> apps, hardware to connect the iphone to the rest of the equipment, plus
>> anything else relevant were used by Massimo.>
>>
>> If anyone can share some info it would be appreciated!
>
>
>I suggest you post that question on this list under an appropriate
>subject line - "cold turkey" will probably not catch the eye of the
>iPone loopers ;-)
>
>Greetings from Sweden
>
>Per Boysen
>www.boysen.se
>www.perboysen.com
>www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>


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> What exactly do you want to achieve?

for the moment, I'd just like to call SUSReplace on the EDP by pressing the
Nanopad keys with my feet. As long as the Softstep hasn't arrived here :)

-Michael

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>> What exactly do you want to achieve?

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:

> for the moment, I'd just like to call SUSReplace on the EDP by pressing the
> Nanopad keys with my feet. As long as the Softstep hasn't arrived here :)

Why do you want to use a MIDI Program Change event for that? Isn't
MIDI Notes regarded a better choice for EDP control? And the Nanopad
already sends that event type. (just trying to understand what your up
to there ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub

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Thanks for the info Massimo!

Thumbjam is great - definitely the best sounding instrument samples of
any app I have tried. Will check out proloop. I would recommend everyday
looper especially, brilliant app for live looping, and beatwave, which
is great too.

Good luck and thanks for the info again!
=20


-----Original Message-----
From: Massimo Liverani [mailto:mas.liv@libero.it]=20
Sent: 21 October 2010 15:19
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: georgia065@aol.com
Subject: RE: Y2K-X cold turkey...and LONG LIVE LOOPING!!!

Yes 'COLD TURKEY' is the way 'm feeling now...wow
I think Per refers to me...Instead of Per opinion i noticed the message
:-)))=20
eh eh great Per!!!
I' d like to express my opinion about that, but before do it i have some

important things to say:

I think not to lie saying that for me has been one the most fastastic
week of=20
my life.
I'd never been to an Y2k before, this is my first time, someone says
that=20
could be the LAST but=20
i don't think so, this huge amount of energy, creativity and diversity
that=20
spreads out it of it CAN'T
END with this year, maybe something will change and this is right, but
let's=20
try to continue this important tradition.
Then i'd like to say that i've apreciate the huge amount of creativity,=20
humanity and diversity that spreads out and that
this is the REAL VALUE of this event together with all the important
things=20
about styiles, tecniques, skills and so on.

In the end 'id like to say INFINITE LOOPED THANKS:=20
to RICK for his infinite patient following the whole logistics of the
fest
to BILL for the instruments, stuffs, technics and so on=20
to CHRIS and NANCY for the support to us and... to their men=20
to ALL CONTRIBUTORS, locationers, sounds, video etc etc
and the last but not the least  'GEORGINA' for her  ospitality, heart
and=20
spirit=20

Now i can answer to the question:=20
There are tons of apps about music, for this fest i've used only
PROLOOP and THUMBJAM Infact both of them  can support=20
custom samplings that were things important for my performance.
I connected my iphone directly to my macbook in order to use moebius as=20
added looper. Very simple configuration.

So i'd like to say that i left my heart in... S. CRUZ
HELLO TO THE ALL LOOPERS!
LONG LIVE LOOPING!=20

Massimo  'MAX Liver'




>----Messaggio originale----
>Da: perboysen@gmail.com
>Data: 21/10/2010 12.39
>A: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Ogg: Re: Y2K-X cold turkey
>
>On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:27 AM,  <RKoster@uk.imshealth.com> wrote:
>> Been reading through the feedback from Y2KX and noticed that someone
used=20
an
>> Iphone for looping in their set..... would love to know more! I'm
using an
>> iphone too in my looping set up and would be really interested to
know what
>> apps, hardware to connect the iphone to the rest of the equipment,
plus
>> anything else relevant were used by Massimo.>
>>
>> If anyone can share some info it would be appreciated!
>
>
>I suggest you post that question on this list under an appropriate
>subject line - "cold turkey" will probably not catch the eye of the
>iPone loopers ;-)
>
>Greetings from Sweden
>
>Per Boysen
>www.boysen.se
>www.perboysen.com
>www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>


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> > for the moment, I'd just like to call SUSReplace on the EDP 
> 
> Why do you want to use a MIDI Program Change event for that? Isn't
> MIDI Notes regarded a better choice for EDP control? And the Nanopad
> already sends that event type. (just trying to understand what your up
> to there ;-)


virtual EDP, not hardware ... don't know if this makes a difference. I
always use Bidule's midi learn to connect nanokontrols to plugins - don't
know how to do it otherwise :)

-Michael


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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
>> > for the moment, I'd just like to call SUSReplace on the EDP
>>
>> Why do you want to use a MIDI Program Change event for that? Isn't
>> MIDI Notes regarded a better choice for EDP control? And the Nanopad
>> already sends that event type. (just trying to understand what your up
>> to there ;-)
>
>
> virtual EDP, not hardware ... don't know if this makes a difference. I
> always use Bidule's midi learn to connect nanokontrols to plugins - don't
> know how to do it otherwise :)


I see, that makes sense. "How to do it otherwise" (as opposed to using
Bidule's MIDI learn functioin) would be to type in the bindings in
Bidule's Parameter window. A third way of making one object in Bidule
affect another is to mouse-drag a cable between the two objects.

When building Bidule stuff for my EWI I typically type in manually
because the EWI sends a lot of different MIDI events at the same time.
If using a Behringer FCB1010 one may "safe up" regarding the random
false MIDI events it spits out now and then by setting up bindings
manually. When I was using an FCB I also added Bidules for filtering
out all MIDI data except exactly the data to be used for controlling
the object in target - something that makes me eager to use Bidule in
the future instead of Mainstage (that lacks good MIDI input
filtering).

Not only MIDI is flowing in Bidule but also data. When typing in
bindings in the Parameter window you are not limited to only MIDI.
When creating complex modules (that may include Math bidules) a
combination of all methods is mostly used.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub

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I've sent a few individual thank you's and a lot of FB chatter re the recen=
t
Y2KX fest but did not to be remiss re the list.  Echoing Mark, realty and
return to New York for me has set in but the memories and particularly with
beginning to look thru all stills and video I shot as well as watch those
posted by each of you, wow as I subjected, what a ride, what a wonderful
ride.

I live in two primary virtual worlds these days, Loopers-Delight and
ImprovFriday.  The thing that rings true with each and was so brought home
by the last few days, is the sense of community that exude from these
worlds.  As I get older and the years rapidly eat their tails that sense of
community and how Rick spoke about it several times during the weekend is s=
o
what its become for me personally and in a sense, I would say that's what
music has become more and more about as the illusive 'carrot' fades.

It was so good to reconnect with those of you I've had the pleasure to meet
at previous fests, to meet in person those that I've come to know
only by the wire and got to officially meet this weekend, wow and those of
you who I never knew but had the added bonus of meeting over the weekend.
All this was brought home on Monday at the Loopers brunch which I've never
until this trip had the time to go to and I'm so glad I was able to.  Monda=
y
was so rich and Fabio's video speaks volumes about it.

I was really excited to bring Daryl and my Chinapainting experience once
again live to Loopfest.  We hadn't played together since last February and
had not seen or spoken to one another in several weeks due to Daryl's busy
touring schedule this year so I was jazzed to share the stage again and
reconnect with my friend from this list that started it all for me in the
fall of 2006 when as a fluke I stumbled upon Loopers-Delight.

To continue that and as many have echo'd the performances by all of you
there were so inspired to me, so original, so blowing me away creatively an=
d
just so moving.  The energy of the two constant stages moving along one in
setup performance and the other live was exhilarating beyond words, just
everyone of them.  I dug this year so so much and came away with much
inspiration and new ideas.  My knowledge of looping is still young, naive
and evolving re the technical as I work through what works re the
electronics with my organic world which after this year's experiment I'm
leaning towards staying pedals.  The cool thing about this year as I think
Kevin pointed out was how minimal the technical issues were, everyone's rig
for the most part seemed to have no voodoo or gremlins.

Though Addam stated in his set on Sunday about Rick, you're not retiring
this time it's going to be Y2KXXXXX or something of such, despite that
desire that I'm sure all of us hold I can understand the angst of while
getting something of the magnitude of Loopfest to this stage at the
sacrifice of your own muse.  I've been there somewhat twice and it's really
hard as in one sense I think one thinks that out of doing good for all good
things will come but at the same time your own projects lay dormant.  This
said though there is an energy among us that I don't think will let the ide=
a
of a festival experience bringing us all together, die at the temporary los=
s
of experience and direction.  I'm at a stage that I want to do something bu=
t
not sure what that can be, for now it's to keep the idea out there.  I plan
to do something on a smaller scale and probably the idea of a series of Y2K
kind of evenings with a few artists together here in NY.  Several of us
northeasters have talked about this for some time and it just kind of sits
there.  Michael Klobachar has made a couple of suggestions that could stem
from Pittsburgh. Doing something of the magnitude of Y2K in NY I don't thin=
k
is as doable as in a place like it's been, due to space and expense.  I was
part of two New York Fretless Guitar festivals that were orchestrated by a
guy not in the area.  One in 2005 was held in the Tap Bar of the Knitting
Factory and did okay at least from the stand point that it was allowed to
run it's 3 day course.  The next time it was held in 2009 it was not as
successful and sadly was booted out of it's venue of Crash Mansion after th=
e
opening night.  I walked around with it's several of the European artists
that had come over for the event on their own dime, on the lower east side
seeking a venue for the 2nd night along with it's leader.  Fortunately a
home was found for that evening at the Delancy.  I don't mean to be a
naysayer but it seems that for this event to work it's present home might b=
e
best and possibly it could be managed from beyond.  I for one want to help
and I know the young man Eric/Mogli seems to have some new energy.  The
other possibility is in Europe which in fairness to those who have come to
the States from so far maybe it is 'our turn'.  All food for thought right
now.

I know I've gone on but the energy remains.  It was such a blast, thank you
for Rick, Bill, their supportive wives, thanks to all of you for what you
brought of yourselves and music to Loopfest.  This one really haunts me and
for that I'm thankful.

Incidentally I've posted a bunch of pix on Facebook, for those not on FB if
you'd like to see I'll put them elsewhere just advise.  As echo'd I shot a
pile of video and will be producing several video pieces over the next few
weeks as I can sort of personal documentaries.  Whoever wants there footage
I will get that to.

As they say, 'Loop on...'


Jim

PS Extra special thanks to George Wiltshire and Mark Hamburg for excellent
still image documentation for Tim Thompson and his colleague who I don't
recall the name, for their excellent video creativity.


--
>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim
Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

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>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &
Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
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I&#39;ve sent a few individual thank you&#39;s and a lot of FB chatter re t=
he recent Y2KX fest but did not to be remiss re the list. =A0Echoing Mark, =
realty and return to New York for me has set in but the memories and partic=
ularly with beginning to look thru all stills and video I shot as well as w=
atch those posted by each of you, wow as I subjected, what a ride, what a w=
onderful ride.<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<br>
I live in two primary virtual worlds these days, Loopers-Delight and Improv=
Friday. =A0The thing that rings true with each and was so brought home by t=
he last few days, is the sense of community that exude from these worlds. =
=A0As I get older and the years rapidly eat their tails that sense of commu=
nity and how Rick spoke about it several times during the weekend is so wha=
t its become for me personally and in a sense, I would say that&#39;s what =
music has become more and more about as the illusive &#39;carrot&#39; fades=
.<br>

<br>
It was so good to reconnect with those of you I&#39;ve had the pleasure to =
meet at previous fests, to meet in person those that I&#39;ve come to know<=
br>
only by the wire and got to officially meet this weekend, wow and those of =
you who I never knew but had the added bonus of meeting over the weekend.=
=A0 All this was brought home on Monday at the Loopers brunch which I&#39;v=
e never until this trip had the time to go to and I&#39;m so glad I was abl=
e to.=A0 Monday was so rich and Fabio&#39;s video speaks volumes about it.<=
br>

<br>I was really excited to bring Daryl and my Chinapainting experience onc=
e again live to Loopfest.=A0 We hadn&#39;t played together since last Febru=
ary and had not seen or spoken to one another in several weeks due to Daryl=
&#39;s busy touring schedule this year so I was jazzed to share the stage a=
gain and reconnect with my friend from this list that started it all for me=
 in the fall of 2006 when as a fluke I stumbled upon Loopers-Delight.<br>

<br>To continue that and as many have echo&#39;d the performances by all of=
 you there were so inspired to me, so original, so blowing me away creative=
ly and just so moving.=A0 The energy of the two constant stages moving alon=
g one in setup performance and the other live was exhilarating beyond words=
, just everyone of them.=A0 I dug this year so so much and came away with m=
uch inspiration and new ideas.=A0 My knowledge of looping is still young, n=
aive and evolving re the technical as I work through what works re the elec=
tronics with my organic world which after this year&#39;s experiment I&#39;=
m leaning towards staying pedals.=A0 The cool thing about this year as I th=
ink Kevin pointed out was how minimal the technical issues were, everyone&#=
39;s rig for the most part seemed to have no voodoo or gremlins.<br>

<br>Though Addam stated in his set on Sunday about Rick, you&#39;re not ret=
iring this time it&#39;s going to be Y2KXXXXX or something of such, despite=
 that desire that I&#39;m sure all of us hold I can understand the angst of=
 while getting something of the magnitude of Loopfest to this stage at the =
sacrifice of your own muse.=A0 I&#39;ve been there somewhat twice and it&#3=
9;s really hard as in one sense I think one thinks that out of doing good f=
or all good things will come but at the same time your own projects lay dor=
mant.=A0 This said though there is an energy among us that I don&#39;t thin=
k will let the idea of a festival experience bringing us all together, die =
at the temporary loss of experience and direction.=A0 I&#39;m at a stage th=
at I want to do something but not sure what that can be, for now it&#39;s t=
o keep the idea out there.=A0 I plan to do something on a smaller scale and=
 probably the idea of a series of Y2K kind of evenings with a few artists t=
ogether here in NY.=A0 Several of us northeasters have talked about this fo=
r some time and it just kind of sits there.=A0 Michael Klobachar has made a=
 couple of suggestions that could stem from Pittsburgh. Doing something of =
the magnitude of Y2K in NY I don&#39;t think is as doable as in a place lik=
e it&#39;s been, due to space and expense.=A0 I was part of two New York Fr=
etless Guitar festivals that were orchestrated by a guy not in the area.=A0=
 One in 2005 was held in the Tap Bar of the Knitting Factory and did okay a=
t least from the stand point that it was allowed to run it&#39;s 3 day cour=
se.=A0 The next time it was held in 2009 it was not as successful and sadly=
 was booted out of it&#39;s venue of Crash Mansion after the opening night.=
=A0 I walked around with it&#39;s several of the European artists that had =
come over for the event on their own dime, on the lower east side seeking a=
 venue for the 2nd night along with it&#39;s leader.=A0 Fortunately a home =
was found for that evening at the Delancy.=A0 I don&#39;t mean to be a nays=
ayer but it seems that for this event to work it&#39;s present home might b=
e best and possibly it could be managed from beyond.=A0 I for one want to h=
elp and I know the young man Eric/Mogli seems to have some new energy.=A0 T=
he other possibility is in Europe which in fairness to those who have come =
to the States from so far maybe it is &#39;our turn&#39;.=A0 All food for t=
hought right now.<br>

<br>I know I&#39;ve gone on but the energy remains.=A0 It was such a blast,=
 thank you for Rick, Bill, their supportive wives, thanks to all of you for=
 what you brought of yourselves and music to Loopfest.=A0 This one really h=
aunts me and for that I&#39;m thankful.<br>

<br>Incidentally I&#39;ve posted a bunch of pix on Facebook, for those not =
on FB if you&#39;d like to see I&#39;ll put them elsewhere just advise.=A0 =
As echo&#39;d I shot a pile of video and will be producing several video pi=
eces over the next few weeks as I can sort of personal documentaries.=A0 Wh=
oever wants there footage I will get that to.<br>

<br>As they say, &#39;Loop on...&#39;<br><br><br>Jim<br><br>PS Extra specia=
l thanks to George Wiltshire and Mark Hamburg for excellent still image doc=
umentation for Tim Thompson and his colleague who I don&#39;t recall the na=
me, for their excellent video creativity.<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim<br>
Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6rn. =A0Proceeds<br>
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.<br>
<a href=3D"http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com" target=3D"_blank">jimgo=
odinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com</a>.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.jimgoodinmu=
sic.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.chinapa=
intingmusic.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com" target=3D"_blank">woodand=
wiremusic.wordpress.com</a><br>
</div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new Wor=
ld/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds<br>fr=
om the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 <a href=3D"http:=
//jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com" target=3D"_blank">jimgoodinpeterthorn.b=
andcamp.com</a>.<br>

<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.jimgood=
inmusic.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com" target=3D"=
_blank">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusi=
c.wordpress.com" target=3D"_blank">woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com</a><br>



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Bill,=0A=0ALine 6 have finally acknowledged a distortion bug in the M9 loop=
er.  I don't know if this is the same as you're experiencing, but I have up=
loaded some examples in the line 6 forum thread;=0A=0Ahttp://line6.com/comm=
unity/message/191974#191974=0A=0AStephen=0Awww.myspace.com/sylvianfisher=0A=
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6 October, 2010, 3:47=0A> i wonder if any one has been=0A> experiencing wha=
t I have been with my M-9's looper, I have=0A> an expression pedal set to c=
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ving the looper at=0A> the front of the effects chain so I can change the e=
ffects=0A> post loop. What happens is after i create a loop, if i am in=0A>=
 overdub mode and have the pedal off (heal down) so that the=0A> feedback i=
s at minimum and volume is also at minimum, when I=0A> put my toe down and =
bring the loop back up , it has faded=0A> away as i want it too, but it is =
also full of artifacts and=0A> is severely degraded, not just faded. It may=
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ur mail id has just won United Nation Yearly award, This office wish to off=
icially inform you that we have finally succeeded in getting your packaged =
wining fund value for the sum of $7.2million along with the wining legal do=
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ization zonal attorney Mr.James Bowenm in charge of releasing all wining fu=
nds to the beneficiary, as he has assisted you to obtain all the legal docu=
ments require by your country law to convey such&nbsp; amount into your cou=
ntry.<br>&nbsp;<br>Reconfirm your full delivery information ONCE again to t=
he diplomatic agent team conveying the delivery immediately you receive thi=
s email notification,as he is currently at LAX International Airport Califo=
rnia with your Consignment, The diplomatic&nbsp; agent handling the deliver=
y
 of your consignment box called&nbsp; me this morning to inform me that the=
y misplaced your delivery address on arrival to your country with your parc=
el, According to his explanation he misplaced your location information alo=
ng with your phone number due to CUSTOMS /FBI/ CIA and POLICE searching and=
 scanning on the Box as if he is a terrorist there in your country but fina=
lly I thank God that they have confirmed that his movement is&nbsp; clear&n=
bsp; without any suspicious intentions to your country only to deliver this=
 Consignment Box along with the legal documents to you and the&nbsp; docume=
nts are updated as stated.Furthermore you are advice to be very fast in pro=
viding the following information require below as the diplomatic Agent has =
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y especially his flight ticket.<br><br><br>So the Information you are Requi=
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r>Call him on this number.951-267-0933<br>Email::diplomatharryj@aa.am<br>&n=
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our fund has getting to you without any hitch, Furthermore remember the Age=
nts delivering the Consignment Box does not know the content of that&nbsp; =
consignment box is money, Because the Attorney which represented you, regis=
tered it as a family valuable to avoid hitch during the delivery so unknown=
&nbsp; circumstances should you let him know the content of that consignmen=
t box is $7.2million to avoid lost of your fund as your Consignment was Sig=
n and Stamp by&nbsp; Federal Ministry of Justice to make sure that it is pr=
otected until it gets to you.forward the information to the diplomat
 via this&nbsp; email::Email:(diplomatharryj@aa.am) and call him on Call th=
is number.951-267-0933 as he is waiting at your airport so he will let you =
know his delivery plan.<br><br>Regard<br>Ambassador Mathew West.<br>United =
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Per Boysen wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
>>>> for the moment, I'd just like to call SUSReplace on the EDP
>>> Why do you want to use a MIDI Program Change event for that? Isn't
>>> MIDI Notes regarded a better choice for EDP control? And the Nanopad
>>> already sends that event type. (just trying to understand what your up
>>> to there ;-)
>>
>> virtual EDP, not hardware ... don't know if this makes a difference. I
>> always use Bidule's midi learn to connect nanokontrols to plugins - don't
>> know how to do it otherwise :)
> 
> 
> I see, that makes sense. "How to do it otherwise" (as opposed to using
> Bidule's MIDI learn functioin) would be to type in the bindings in
> Bidule's Parameter window. A third way of making one object in Bidule
> affect another is to mouse-drag a cable between the two objects.

Way 3 is the only one worth using with software edp.

Drag a virtual midi cable from the midi device to the edp.

> 
> When building Bidule stuff for my EWI I typically type in manually
> because the EWI sends a lot of different MIDI events at the same time.

hmmm.. midi learn *seems* so attractive, 
...but in many ways it ends up being inadequate.

andy

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>>
>> When building Bidule stuff for my EWI I typically type in manually
>> because the EWI sends a lot of different MIDI events at the same time.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:47 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> hmmm.. midi learn *seems* so attractive, ...but in many ways it ends up
> being inadequate.


Yes. A better implementation of a MIDI learn function in some software
would be that *if* there is multiple MIDI events incoming, during the
learn process, they should all be put into a temporary buffer so the
user can scroll through them and pick the one he is aiming for. Amazes
me that no one has yet done that implementation. Would be useful - as
in speeding up work - for more than just programming for use with an
EWI.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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hi Stephen,
that's a glitch rather than distortion.
Seems to be a discontinuity every 14 samples or so.
I'd guess that the dsp is done in blocks of 14 samples and that 
somehow line6 muddled up the direction for writing the overdub.

Anyway, likely it's a firmware bug, can't imagine what else.

If you wanted to prove it to line 6 you could make a wav file
of a single overdub on an empty loop, 
..that would make it possible to see for sure what was happening 
to the waveform.

andy



Stephen Scott wrote:
> Bill,
> 
> Line 6 have finally acknowledged a distortion bug in the M9 looper.  I don't know if this is the same as you're experiencing, but I have uploaded some examples in the line 6 forum thread;
> 
> http://line6.com/community/message/191974#191974
> 
> Stephen
> www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/10/10, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
>> Subject: M-9 looper issues
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Date: Wednesday, 6 October, 2010, 3:47
>> i wonder if any one has been
>> experiencing what I have been with my M-9's looper, I have
>> an expression pedal set to control both the volume and the
>> feedback of the looper and I've been leaving the looper at
>> the front of the effects chain so I can change the effects
>> post loop. What happens is after i create a loop, if i am in
>> overdub mode and have the pedal off (heal down) so that the
>> feedback is at minimum and volume is also at minimum, when I
>> put my toe down and bring the loop back up , it has faded
>> away as i want it too, but it is also full of artifacts and
>> is severely degraded, not just faded. It may have to do with
>> being if half speed, but it seems like a phenomena when you
>> leave the looper in overdub mode with ought adding anything
>> new anyone else have this issue?
>>  Bill
>>
>>
> 
> 
>       
> 
> 

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I'm thinking of getting the Swollen Pickle. How do you like it?

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On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:03 AM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:

> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote:
> 
>> Equipment: Taylor T3/B --> Way Huge Swollen Pickle --> Lovepedal Pickle Vibe --> Lovepedal Eternity Fuse Overdrive --> Line6 M13 --> Ernie Ball Stereo Volume Pedal --> Tech21 Blonde (left) & Liverpool (right) --> Line6 M13 ( --> M-Audio Microtrack II --> board)
> 
> In the quest for further simplification, if someone can recommend a good option for feeding stereo amp simulators, I'm tempted to replace the M13 with an M9 if I can manage to fit everything on one pedal board.
> 
> I would also note that Barry Cleveland's set now has me wanting a Euthymia ICBM fuzz -- and I just got the Swollen Pickle...
> 
> Mark
> 

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Mark,

You wrote:

>> In the quest for further simplification, if someone can recommend a 
>> good option for feeding stereo amp simulators, I'm tempted to replace 
>> the M13 with an M9 if I can manage to fit everything on one pedal 
>> board.

Yeah. I couldn't help but notice that you were running 2 of the SansAmp 
modelers in your rig (one to a side in stereo).

In the early days of my M13 acquisition I was sort of unhappy with the 
"sterile" sound of the M13 coming through my Mackies.

I thought (fairly naturally) that an amp simulator should go at the very 
end of the signal chain and because I play stereo I'd need 2 as well.

Well, Bill Walker kindly steped in (since I was asking his advice about 
the M13 anyway) and suggested that I simply use one Sans Amp GT-2 (or 
other box of that veriety) in mono at the head of the signal chain (just 
after the guitar).

I scratched my head and thought . . . nah, that's not right . . . but 
tried it anyway.

Sure enough, he was correct.

If an more "amp-y" sound is what you want (and with less space taken up 
in the board), try just using one of your pedals towards the beginning 
of the chain.

Surprisingly, the result is near enough to the same (unless for some 
reason you WANT the slightly divergent sims of the "tweedy" Blonde and 
the"Brittish" Liverpool specifically).

If it were me, I'd pick the Blonde and put it up front and save the 
space that way.

Just a thought.

Cheers,

Ted

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You'll find that a majority of Axe-Fx presets do the same - that is 
pitch, delays and reverbs after the amp and cab models.


At 2010.10.21 05:20 PM, =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= wrote:
>Mark,
>
>You wrote:
>
>>>In the quest for further simplification, if someone can recommend 
>>>a good option for feeding stereo amp simulators, I'm tempted to 
>>>replace the M13 with an M9 if I can manage to fit everything on 
>>>one pedal board.
>
>Yeah. I couldn't help but notice that you were running 2 of the 
>SansAmp modelers in your rig (one to a side in stereo).
>
>In the early days of my M13 acquisition I was sort of unhappy with 
>the "sterile" sound of the M13 coming through my Mackies.
>
>I thought (fairly naturally) that an amp simulator should go at the 
>very end of the signal chain and because I play stereo I'd need 2 as well.
>
>Well, Bill Walker kindly steped in (since I was asking his advice 
>about the M13 anyway) and suggested that I simply use one Sans Amp 
>GT-2 (or other box of that veriety) in mono at the head of the 
>signal chain (just after the guitar).
>
>I scratched my head and thought . . . nah, that's not right . . . 
>but tried it anyway.
>
>Sure enough, he was correct.

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On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote:

> You'll find that a majority of Axe-Fx presets do the same - that is  
> pitch, delays and reverbs after the amp and cab models.

just fyi...a lower cost alternative to the Axe-Fx: Line 6 POD HD500.  
Check it out.

Jeff

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I will chime in here, kind of funny because I was just in a Facebook thread 
about the Swollen Pickle. I got one the day before I played, tested it in 
the motel and then used it for my set at Y2KX. I was very happy with the 
result. This thing is very powerful. I think I had all the knobs on 10 and 
the volume knob on 1. Very dark, powerful and still allows definition even 
maxed out. As Steuart Liepeg just pointed out, mine is a reissue though and 
perhaps the older ones sounded different (better?) I will know more when I 
finally get my studio put back together after the trip :)

plus the attraction of the thread of jokes when you talk about it is worth a 
lot, hehe.

best,

j


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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 3:04 PM
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> I'm thinking of getting the Swollen Pickle. How do you like it?
>
> --
> Darren Nelsen
> http://curiomusic.com
> http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic
>
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:03 AM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote:
>>
>>> Equipment: Taylor T3/B --> Way Huge Swollen Pickle --> Lovepedal Pickle 
>>> Vibe --> Lovepedal Eternity Fuse Overdrive --> Line6 M13 --> Ernie Ball 
>>> Stereo Volume Pedal --> Tech21 Blonde (left) & Liverpool (right) --> 
>>> Line6 M13 ( --> M-Audio Microtrack II --> board)
>>
>> In the quest for further simplification, if someone can recommend a good 
>> option for feeding stereo amp simulators, I'm tempted to replace the M13 
>> with an M9 if I can manage to fit everything on one pedal board.
>>
>> I would also note that Barry Cleveland's set now has me wanting a 
>> Euthymia ICBM fuzz -- and I just got the Swollen Pickle...
>>
>> Mark
>>
> 

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Hey gang, I went to a Thursday night show in Santa Cruz at Cafe Namastae =
that turned out to be pretty special to me. Rick Walker was the mc, =
sound man, et all! It was a very eclectic night of first time in public =
looping artists. I got some video of probably the stangest and coolest =
imo, improv jam I saw at the fest. Here we have Laurie Amat (vocals, =
loops), Rick Walker (vocals, percussion, loops and electronics) and =
Adrian Gormley (bass clarinet)

Rick asked me to shoot it up to Youtube and post it here, enjoy :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DjIdD0RwpmB4



J




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Sorry for the typo, it's Steuart Liebig!! I had already tagged him wrong 
once, chalk it up to jet lag..

j


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>I will chime in here, kind of funny because I was just in a Facebook thread 
>about the Swollen Pickle. I got one the day before I played, tested it in 
>the motel and then used it for my set at Y2KX. I was very happy with the 
>result. This thing is very powerful. I think I had all the knobs on 10 and 
>the volume knob on 1. Very dark, powerful and still allows definition even 
>maxed out. As Steuart Liepeg just pointed out, mine is a reissue though and 
>perhaps the older ones sounded different (better?) I will know more when I 
>finally get my studio put back together after the trip :)
>
> plus the attraction of the thread of jokes when you talk about it is worth 
> a lot, hehe.
>
> best,
>
> j
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Darren Nelsen" <dmnelsen@me.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 3:04 PM
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>
>
>> I'm thinking of getting the Swollen Pickle. How do you like it?
>>
>> --
>> Darren Nelsen
>> http://curiomusic.com
>> http://reverbnation.com/dmnmusic
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:03 AM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote:
>>>
>>>> Equipment: Taylor T3/B --> Way Huge Swollen Pickle --> Lovepedal Pickle 
>>>> Vibe --> Lovepedal Eternity Fuse Overdrive --> Line6 M13 --> Ernie Ball 
>>>> Stereo Volume Pedal --> Tech21 Blonde (left) & Liverpool (right) --> 
>>>> Line6 M13 ( --> M-Audio Microtrack II --> board)
>>>
>>> In the quest for further simplification, if someone can recommend a good 
>>> option for feeding stereo amp simulators, I'm tempted to replace the M13 
>>> with an M9 if I can manage to fit everything on one pedal board.
>>>
>>> I would also note that Barry Cleveland's set now has me wanting a 
>>> Euthymia ICBM fuzz -- and I just got the Swollen Pickle...
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>
> 

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yep, thats the sound Stephen, I'll be looking for a bug fix soon  
hopefully
  Thanks
  Bill

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On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Jeff Duke wrote:

> I will chime in here, kind of funny because I was just in a Facebook =
thread about the Swollen Pickle. I got one the day before I played, =
tested it in the motel and then used it for my set at Y2KX. I was very =
happy with the result. This thing is very powerful. I think I had all =
the knobs on 10 and the volume knob on 1. Very dark, powerful and still =
allows definition even maxed out. As Steuart Liepeg just pointed out, =
mine is a reissue though and perhaps the older ones sounded different =
(better?) I will know more when I finally get my studio put back =
together after the trip :)

I would concur with this review. I've really liked it as a fuzz. It's =
also fairly easy to go test them since Guitar Center is carrying them. =
It's basically in the Big Muff vein. It can be a little harsh or bright =
(though that may just be because I've got the tone knob up) without the =
overdrive after it.

What stunned me with the ICBM was Barry's ability -- which he credited =
at least partially to the ICBM -- to get long, liquid lines with barely =
any picking.

On the amp sim front, the Blonde + Liverpool approach was essentially =
Bill Walker's idea a while back. I'm running a couple of M13 effects =
upstream of the amp sims and a couple downstream, but I'm contemplating =
doing something like using a chorus or phaser to stereoize the signal =
upstream of the M13 (or M9) and running the amp sims before the Line6 =
box. Certainly dropping to a single simulator would be an option, but I =
like the double amp effect, particularly if I set one to be somewhat =
more overdriven than the other.=20

Mark

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Tim, this is so freakin' awesome! Thank you!  I love what you did with =
the video of Rick and I....it's a total mind trip. Did you use my direct =
hard disk recording with the video?  I can hear all the stereo panning, =
etc.

Rick - we need to play at B-CIMF 2011...just like this stuff, but we can =
plan ahead.

Kris

  ----- Original Message -----=20


  I got video recordings of most (but not all, unfortunately) of the =
sets where we had live looping video performances.  You can find them =
all in raw unedited form here:


       http://blueparticles.com/particles/y2kx/


  The recordings are direct from the video that was projected.  The =
files are very large - 400 MB typically.  Half of them don't have any =
sound (noted in the titles), but on Saturday I got a direct feed from =
the mixer and the sound on the remaining ones is pretty good.  I am =
editing Bill Walker's set to put on YouTube at some point, and it might =
be nice to collect samples of isolated ElectroSlate visuals (which =
haven't been recorded or shown much previously), but other than that I =
don't have any plans to edit anything else.  Folks are free to do =
whatever they like with the videos.  At the very least, the artists can =
see what the audience was seeing while they performed.=20


  If you don't want to download more than 7 GB (the total size of all of =
them) but want to check out a few, I would recommend the Lilli Lewis set =
for ElectroSlate examples, and the Krispen Hartung / Rick Walker and =
Andrew Aldridge sets for LoopyCam examples.   The Bill Walker set is the =
best combined (LoopyCam+ElectroSlate) example, but for that one you can =
wait for the edited version - we might be getting better sound on that =
one.


       ...Tim...
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r winning=0ABatch Reference Number is: UK86/0017/01KY you have won =A31,000=
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y. Congratulations!</span></p>=0A=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
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ur Award Claims Manager are given below. Please contact=0Aour Award Claims =
Manager </span><span style=3D"font-family: Arial;">Allan<span style=3D"colo=
r: rgb(68, 68, 68);"> Born, for confirmation and processing of your award=
=0Aprize claim. Your prize claim must be processed before 12:00 midnight Gr=
eenwich=0AMean Time (GMT) on 30<sup>th</sup> November 2010.<br>=0A<br>=0AAw=
ard/Claims Manager: </span>Allan<span style=3D"color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"> Bo=
rn </span></span></p>=0A=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y: Arial; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">Tel:<span style=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span style=3D"font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51,=
 51, 51);">+44-7924556224</span><span style=3D"font-family: Arial; color: r=
gb(68, 68, 68);"></span></p>=0A=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family: Arial; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">Fax:<span style=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">E-mail:<span style=3D"=
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der listed&nbsp;winning references must be quoted and=0Asent in your confir=
mation contact/response with our Award Claims Manager and=0Amust be sent wi=
th a clear copy of your proof of identification or passport=0Adocument. Awa=
rd prize claims sent with incomplete winning references and=0Awithout prope=
r or proof of valid identification document will not be processed.<br>=0A&n=
bsp;<br>=0A1) Beneficiary's Full Names (First Name, Middle Name, Surname)<b=
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mbers<br>=0A5) Award Prize (Amount) Won<br>=0A6) Country of Residence, Phys=
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tached Notification Letter for further information/details.<br>=0A&nbsp;<br=
>=0AYour truly,<br>=0A<br>=0AMargaret LAMBERT(Director)<br>=0AInternational=
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Jeff Duke schrieb:
> plus the attraction of the thread of jokes when you talk about it is 
> worth a lot, hehe.
Ok, here it comes:
Did you also get a chance to compare your way huge swollen pickle with a 
super hard-on? ;)

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what's a hudge hard on?

Micro Soft



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From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
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Jeff Duke schrieb:
> plus the attraction of the thread of jokes when you talk about it is worth a 
>lot, hehe.
Ok, here it comes:
Did you also get a chance to compare your way huge swollen pickle with a super 
hard-on? ;)

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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div>what's a hudge hard on?</div><div><br></div><div>Micro Soft</div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Rainer Straschill &lt;moinsound@googlemail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, October 22, 2010 11:35:04 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> thread of jokes - Re: Swollen Pickle [was: My Y2KX recording]<br></font><br>
Jeff Duke schrieb:<br>&gt; plus the attraction of the thread of jokes when you talk about it is worth a lot, hehe.<br>Ok, here it comes:<br>Did you also get a chance to compare your way huge swollen pickle with a super hard-on? ;)<br><br><span>-- <a target="_blank" href="http://moinlabs.de">http://moinlabs.de</a></span><br><span>Follow me on twitter: <a target="_blank" href="http://twitter.com/moinlabs">http://twitter.com/moinlabs</a></span><br><br></div></div><div style="position:fixed"></div>


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It's the opposite of micro soft, obviously.

The Super Hard-On is a pedal that is loud by ZVEX. There's also a 
version which cascades two in one device, it's called the Super Duper 
Two in One. Both are available as Vexter versions.



antonyhequet@yahoo.com schrieb:
> what's a hudge hard on?
>
> Micro Soft


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No I did not Rainer, that one came up in the music store conversation 
however :)

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> Jeff Duke schrieb:
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> Ok, here it comes:
> Did you also get a chance to compare your way huge swollen pickle with a 
> super hard-on? ;)
>
> -- 
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Quoting Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>:
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> It's the opposite of micro soft, obviously.
>
> The Super Hard-On is a pedal that is loud by ZVEX. There's also a
> version which cascades two in one device, it's called the Super Duper
> Two in One. Both are available as Vexter versions.
>
The Super Hard-On has robust firmware that keeps it up and running.

However, it can be static-sensitive -- excessive handling can cause a  
discharge.

-- Kevin

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interesting Kevin, I must say that I am not impressed with my Vexer Fuzz 
Factory so far, I love the sound but for the second time (and just when I 
need it) the on button crapped out on me. I sent it for repair the first 
time (2 months!) and then just before my y2k trip it went out again :( hence 
the Swollen Pickle to replace the substitute MXR Classic Fuzz that I was 
going to use..I understand that it is difficult to replace the switch also.

I won't mention names but I was told that the Vexter versions are built to 
different specs, it's not just the lack of hand painting that get's the 
price down (grumble)


great meeting and chatting at the fest my friend!!

J


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> Quoting Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>:
>>
>> It's the opposite of micro soft, obviously.
>>
>> The Super Hard-On is a pedal that is loud by ZVEX. There's also a
>> version which cascades two in one device, it's called the Super Duper
>> Two in One. Both are available as Vexter versions.
>>
> The Super Hard-On has robust firmware that keeps it up and running.
>
> However, it can be static-sensitive -- excessive handling can cause a 
> discharge.
>
> -- Kevin
> 

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Nothing is as frightening as my Woolly Mammoth...  ;-)

>Quoting Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>:
>>
>>It's the opposite of micro soft, obviously.
>>
>>The Super Hard-On is a pedal that is loud by ZVEX. There's also a
>>version which cascades two in one device, it's called the Super Duper
>>Two in One. Both are available as Vexter versions.
>>
>The Super Hard-On has robust firmware that keeps it up and running.
>
>However, it can be static-sensitive -- excessive handling can cause 
>a discharge.
>
>-- Kevin


-- 

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix

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ooops... forgot the LINK:

http://zvex.com/mammoth.html

Nothing is as frightening as my Woolly Mammoth...  ;-)



>Quoting Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>:
>>
>>It's the opposite of micro soft, obviously.
>>
>>The Super Hard-On is a pedal that is loud by ZVEX. There's also a
>>version which cascades two in one device, it's called the Super Duper
>>Two in One. Both are available as Vexter versions.
>>
>The Super Hard-On has robust firmware that keeps it up and running.
>
>However, it can be static-sensitive -- excessive handling can cause 
>a discharge.
>
>-- Kevin


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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Quoting Rainer Straschill
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It's the opposite of micro soft, obviously.<br>
<br>
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version which cascades two in one device, it's called the Super
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>The Super Hard-On has robust firmware
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wr=
ote:
> ooops... forgot the LINK:
> http://zvex.com/mammoth.html
> Nothing is as frightening as my Woolly Mammoth...=C2=A0 ;-)


I watched the demo video and must say I really like this fuzzbox!!!!!
Smiling when imagining music possible with two Woolly Mammoth's on the
two Stick outputs ;-))

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub

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> Tim, this is so freakin' awesome! Thank you!  I love what you did with =
> the video of Rick and I....it's a total mind trip. Did you use my direct =
> hard disk recording with the video?  I can hear all the stereo panning, =
> etc.
>

On your set, I had a connection from the "tape out" of the main audio mixer,
which I was recording on a little Aiptek HD video recorder that also was
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Thanks Per,  I would imagine it would be good on the stick... does 
yours have passive or active pickups?

>On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Charles Zwicky 
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>>  Nothing is as frightening as my Woolly Mammoth...  ;-)
>
>
>I watched the demo video and must say I really like this fuzzbox!!!!!
>Smiling when imagining music possible with two Woolly Mammoth's on the
>two Stick outputs ;-))
>
>Greetings from Sweden
>
>Per Boysen
>www.boysen.se
>www.perboysen.com
>www.looproom.com internet music hub


-- 

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix

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I use passive pickups for my Stick, the PASV-4 to be precise. I like
them a lot.

Per



On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wr=
ote:
> Thanks Per, =C2=A0I would imagine it would be good on the stick... does y=
ours
> have passive or active pickups?
>
>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> =C2=A0ooops... forgot the LINK:
>>> =C2=A0http://zvex.com/mammoth.html
>>> =C2=A0Nothing is as frightening as my Woolly Mammoth... =C2=A0;-)
>>
>>
>> I watched the demo video and must say I really like this fuzzbox!!!!!
>> Smiling when imagining music possible with two Woolly Mammoth's on the
>> two Stick outputs ;-))
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se
>> www.perboysen.com
>> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>
> --
>
> ...
> http://www.zmix.net
>
> http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky
>
> http://albumcredits.com/zmix
>
>

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The build quality is inconsistent though.  The units available
here in Texas are thicker and have a longer battery life
than those in the rest of the world.

Jeff

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Quoting Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>:
>
> It's the opposite of micro soft, obviously.
>
> The Super Hard-On is a pedal that is loud by ZVEX. There's also a
> version which cascades two in one device, it's called the Super Duper
> Two in One. Both are available as Vexter versions.
>
The Super Hard-On has robust firmware that keeps it up and running.

However, it can be static-sensitive -- excessive handling can cause a =20
discharge.

-- Kevin

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Perfect...! Try to hear  a Woolly Mammoth soon!


>I use passive pickups for my Stick, the PASV-4 to be precise. I like
>them a lot.
>
>Per
>
>
>
>On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Charles Zwicky 
><cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>  Thanks Per,  I would imagine it would be good on the stick... does yours
>>  have passive or active pickups?
>>
>>>  On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   ooops... forgot the LINK:
>>>>   http://zvex.com/mammoth.html
>>>>   Nothing is as frightening as my Woolly Mammoth...  ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>  I watched the demo video and must say I really like this fuzzbox!!!!!
>>>  Smiling when imagining music possible with two Woolly Mammoth's on the
>>>  two Stick outputs ;-))
>>>
>>>  Greetings from Sweden
>>>
>>>  Per Boysen
>>>  www.boysen.se
>>>  www.perboysen.com
>>>  www.looproom.com internet music hub
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>>  ...
>>  http://www.zmix.net
>>
>>  http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky
>>
>>  http://albumcredits.com/zmix
>>
>>


-- 

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix

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verage on your fund that does not allow us to deduct a cent from your princ=
ipal amount.Therefore,you are required to send through western union in you=
r country to London for the=A0transfer charges of =A3185.00 on my name Lawr=
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I am Dr .D. Tweedie, the Director of Project Implementation with co-operation of four other top officials; we have in our possession, an overdue payment in US funds. I have an obscured business suggestion. You may be apprehensive because we have not met. The said funds represent certain percentage of the contract value executed on behalf of my Ministry by foreign contracting firms during the preparations for the last football world cup which took place in my country, which we the officials over-invoiced to the amount of US$42,700,000.00 (Forty Two Million Seven Hundred Thousand United States Dollars). Though the actual contract cost has been paid to the original contractor, leaving the excess balance unclaimed.
The Government of the Republic of South Africa believe that private investment in general, and foreign direct investment in particular, are the real engines for sustainable economic development, for which reason it  has continued to encouraged investment in the key  growth -oriented sector  with sincere  determination to pay foreign contractors all debts owed to them, so as to continue to enjoy close relationship, and a mutually beneficial co-operation with foreign governments and non-governmental financial agencies, We are seeking your assistance as the beneficiary of the unclaimed funds, since we are not allowed to operate a foreign account as civil servants (Government Official's )
Should you be interested please send me your, private phone and fax number and current residential address. I will give you details of the whole operation. Your earliest response to this mail will be appreciated
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Some other M9 looper bugs recently reported....might be related.

http://line6.com/community/message/192570#192570


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youhou, thats a nice one!
its the first in the new Playlist Y2k-X at =
http://youtube.com/livelooping !
any others to add, please?

On 21 Oct 2010, at 04:17, Fabio_A wrote:

> Here's a video from the first part of my set at the Y2KX main festival =
I've just posted on FB.
> Audio recording is not perfect, but it gives a rough idea about what =
was going on.
> Deep thanks to Mark Courtney Fracombe for shooting the entire act with =
his IPhone and for adding the "manual rotation" effect which 's a =
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<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">youhou, thats a nice one!<div>its the first in the new Playlist Y2k-X at <a href="http://youtube.com/livelooping">http://youtube.com/livelooping</a> !</div><div>any others to add, please?</div><div><br><div><div>On 21 Oct 2010, at 04:17, Fabio_A wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Here's a video from the first part of my set at the Y2KX main festival I've just posted on FB.</div>
<div>Audio recording is not perfect, but it gives a rough idea about what was going on.<br></div>
<div>Deep thanks to Mark Courtney Fracombe for shooting the entire act with his IPhone and for adding the "manual rotation" effect which 's a perfect complement to the music and the visuals projected at my back.</div>

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<div>Fabio</div>
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I will soon, have gone through all my stills and am just about to begin
cataloging video footage to edit.  Is there a login Matthias or do I just
post to my profile in YT and link to that playlist?

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com> wrote=
:

> youhou, thats a nice one!
> its the first in the new Playlist Y2k-X at http://youtube.com/livelooping=
!
> any others to add, please?
>
> On 21 Oct 2010, at 04:17, Fabio_A wrote:
>
> Here's a video from the first part of my set at the Y2KX main festival I'=
ve
> just posted on FB.
> Audio recording is not perfect, but it gives a rough idea about what was
> going on.
> Deep thanks to Mark Courtney Fracombe for shooting the entire act with hi=
s
> IPhone and for adding the "manual rotation" effect which 's a perfect
> complement to the music and the visuals projected at my back.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkG3ThxTaK1Q
>
> Fabio
>
>
>


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www.jimgoodinmusic.com
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I will soon, have gone through all my stills and am just about to begin cat=
aloging video footage to edit.=A0 Is there a login Matthias or do I just po=
st to my profile in YT and link to that playlist?<br><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Matthias Grob <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:matilists@gmail.com">matilists@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:=
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; b=
order-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">youhou, thats a nice one!<div>its the=
 first in the new Playlist Y2k-X at <a href=3D"http://youtube.com/liveloopi=
ng" target=3D"_blank">http://youtube.com/livelooping</a> !</div><div>any ot=
hers to add, please?</div>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br><div><div>On 21 Oct 2010, at 04:=
17, Fabio_A wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Here&#39;s a vid=
eo from the first part of my set at the Y2KX main festival I&#39;ve just po=
sted on FB.</div>

<div>Audio recording is not perfect, but it gives a rough idea about what w=
as going on.<br></div>
<div>Deep thanks to Mark Courtney Fracombe for shooting the entire act with=
 his IPhone and for adding the &quot;manual rotation&quot; effect which &#3=
9;s a perfect complement to the music and the visuals projected at my back.=
</div>


<div>=A0</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkG3ThxTaK1Q" target=3D"_bl=
ank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkG3ThxTaK1Q</a></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Fabio</div>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br c=
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cording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds<br>from the sale of =
this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 <a href=3D"http://jimgoodinpete=
rthorn.bandcamp.com">jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com</a>.<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br=
><a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</=
a><br><a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com">woodandwiremusic.wo=
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I dont recall this getting discussed here, and it looked like it might be
noteworthy...

http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=791892

Second link is a thread started by DT over at the Gear Page discussing it...

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I tried to discuss Octatrack erlier here=2C but met with mostly skepticism.=
 For me the octatrack seems like a major leep forward=2C some fresh thinkin=
g and a somewhatdiffrent approach. It will probably not to exactly what som=
e other gear does today or "replace" other solutions or perfectly meet the =
wishes of any looper. But it MIGHT be a very intresting new instrument that=
 will spark new creative uses of looping .
I will get one as soon as i can and I'm also looking forward to hear DT usi=
ng it=2C most things DT does are quite exeptional..
And a looper with sequencer=2C micro shifting.. as I said in the gear page =
thread - mind boggling :-)
=20
> From: d.nix@comcast.net
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Electron Octatrack
> Date: Fri=2C 22 Oct 2010 23:15:03 -0700
>=20
> I dont recall this getting discussed here=2C and it looked like it might =
be
> noteworthy...
>=20
> http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack
>=20
> http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=3D791892
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> Second link is a thread started by DT over at the Gear Page discussing it=
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I tried to discuss Octatrack erlier here=2C but met with mostly skepticism.=
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&gt=3B From: d.nix@comcast.net<BR>&gt=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh=
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i owned a machinedrum many years ago and it was really really awesome.  i
would expect this thing to be equally awesome.

- jim

On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Anders Bergdahl <
anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  I tried to discuss Octatrack erlier here, but met with mostly skepticism.
> For me the octatrack seems like a major leep forward, some fresh thinking
> and a somewhatdiffrent approach. It will probably not to exactly what some
> other gear does today or "replace" other solutions or perfectly meet the
> wishes of any looper. But it MIGHT be a very intresting new instrument that
> will spark new creative uses of looping .
> I will get one as soon as i can and I'm also looking forward to hear DT
> using it, most things DT does are quite exeptional..
> And a looper with sequencer, micro shifting.. as I said in the gear page
> thread - mind boggling :-)
>
> > From: d.nix@comcast.net
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Electron Octatrack
> > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 23:15:03 -0700
> >
> > I dont recall this getting discussed here, and it looked like it might be
> > noteworthy...
> >
> > http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack
> >
> > http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=791892
> >
> > Second link is a thread started by DT over at the Gear Page discussing
> it...
> >
>

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i owned a machinedrum many years ago and it was really really awesome.=A0 i=
 would expect this thing to be equally awesome.=A0 <br><br>- jim<br><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Anders Bergdahl <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com">anders=
_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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<div>
I tried to discuss Octatrack erlier here, but met with mostly skepticism. F=
or me the octatrack seems like a major leep forward, some fresh=A0thinking =
and a=A0somewhatdiffrent approach. It will probably not to exactly what som=
e other=A0gear does today or &quot;replace&quot; other solutions=A0or perfe=
ctly meet the wishes of any looper. But=A0it MIGHT be a very intresting new=
 instrument that will spark new creative uses of looping .<br>

I will get one as soon as i=A0can=A0and I&#39;m also=A0looking forward to h=
ear=A0DT using it, most things DT does are quite exeptional..<br>
And a looper with sequencer,=A0micro shifting.. as I said in the gear page =
thread - mind boggling :-)<br>=A0<br>
&gt; From: <a href=3D"mailto:d.nix@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">d.nix@com=
cast.net</a><br>&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.=
com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>&gt; Subj=
ect: Electron Octatrack<br>
&gt; Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 23:15:03 -0700<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I dont recall t=
his getting discussed here, and it looked like it might be<br>&gt; notewort=
hy...<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack=
" target=3D"_blank">http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack</a><br>
&gt; <br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=
=3D791892" target=3D"_blank">http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.ph=
p?t=3D791892</a><br>&gt; <br>&gt; Second link is a thread started by DT ove=
r at the Gear Page discussing it...<br>
&gt; <br> 		 	   		  </div>
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On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Anders Bergdahl
<anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I tried to discuss Octatrack erlier here, but met with mostly skepticism.


I'm very positive to Octatrack! It seems close to the dream instrument
I had a vision of twenty years ago: a real-time live sampler with
integrated step sequencing options. I tried to convince some
manufacturers to create such an instrument, but they all answered that
the market is too small. However my activities lead me to find out
about the Looper's Delight ;-). On LD DT suggested I should hook up a
step sequencer to my Repeater and that was one small step towards my
dream instrument. Today I would rather see a software version though,
because that would be easier for a user to tweak and set up in a
unique way. I won't say more until there is a detailed manual and
specification chart on the Octatrack published.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.looproom.com internet music hub

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Anders Bergdahl wrote:
> I tried to discuss Octatrack erlier here, but met with mostly 
> skepticism. 

At the time the actual available feature list for the device
was nothing special, it wasn't available and the price tag
was a bit frightening.
...and iirc the reaction of the list was 50% buoyant optimism
and 50% "wait and see".

> For me the octatrack seems like a major leep forward, some 
> fresh thinking and a somewhatdiffrent approach.

Since it was last discussed here the website is more revealing 
of it's feature list, which indeed looks impressive.


> But it MIGHT be a very 
> intresting new instrument that will spark new creative uses of looping .


Please get hold of one and do exactly that :-)


andy


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A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
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Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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ï»¿Once again LD offers the conduit for insight and inspiration.  Thanks Per!

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its fabulous thank you!

Am 23.10.10 16:29, schrieb Per Boysen:
> A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?iref=allsearch
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
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    its fabulous thank you!<br>
    <br>
    Am 23.10.10 16:29, schrieb Per Boysen:
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      <pre wrap="">A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
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Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboysen.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.looproom.com">www.looproom.com</a> internet music hub


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Yes,  Wonderful !!
Thanks
-Qua

> its fabulous thank you!
>
> Am 23.10.10 16:29, schrieb Per Boysen:
>> A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
>> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?iref=allsearch
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se
>> www.perboysen.com
>> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.nirmala07.net
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And the release is now on iTunes:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/mecca/id393506700

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ricky Graham
<rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> And you can now pre-order. T-shirts available too..
>
> Pre-order limited edition "Mecca" CD & T-Shirt now:
> http://signalsundertests.bandcamp.com/
>
> Ricky
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Ricky Graham
> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cheers Fabio!
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Agree !
>>> Good luck with your album, I really like the sound and the fact its
>>> atmosphere is coherent song by song...
>>>
>>> - Fabio
>>> www.eterogeneo.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Exciting music you're making there!
>>>> >
>>>> > Greetings from Sweden
>>>> >
>>>> > Per Boysen
>>>> > www.boysen.se
>>>> > www.perboysen.com
>>>> > www.looproom.com internet music hub
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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salutations, y'all!

It is a beautiful and brisk October morning in Boston, sitting in my room
with someone else's pug at my feet and listening to The Barr
Brothers<http://www.thebarrbrothers.com/>(formerly The Slip, still
incredible).

*Upcoming Shows*

On Monday, November 8th at 8pm I will be performing a free show at ZuZu in
Cambridge, MA alongside Night Fruit <http://nightfruit.muxtape.com/>
and Mountain
Interval <http://www.myspace.com/mountaininterval>.
*

Merch*
*
Music*: You can now download four of my albums + my performance at the Rose
Art Museum last November here:
danielharris.bandcamp.com.<http://danielharris.bandcamp.com%20/>(Physical
copies available as well, just holler!)
*
Art*: For the first time, my art is now available for purchase! Please visit
http://www.etsy.com/shop/danielharris for one-of-a-kind canvas
illustrations. These canvases are 100% original and there is only one of
each!!



love
Daniel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWU3q3AhA00

http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/
http://www.etsy.com/shop/danielharris

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<font size=3D"4">salutations</font>, y&#39;all! <br><br>It is a beautiful a=
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9;s pug at my feet and listening to <a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://www.=
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 Slip, still incredible). <br>

<br><u><b>Upcoming Shows</b></u><br><br>On Monday, November 8th at 8pm I wi=
ll be performing a free show at ZuZu in Cambridge, MA alongside <a rel=3D"n=
ofollow" href=3D"http://nightfruit.muxtape.com/" target=3D"_blank">Night Fr=
uit</a> and <a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/mountaininte=
rval" target=3D"_blank">Mountain Interval</a>. <br>

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blank">danielharris.bandcamp.com.</a> (Physical copies available as well, j=
ust holler!) <br>

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lease visit <a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://www.etsy.com/shop/danielharr=
is" target=3D"_blank">http://www.etsy.com/shop/danielharris</a> for one-of-=
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only one of each!! <br>

<br><br><br>love<br>Daniel <br><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?=
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nk">http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/</a><br>
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Great Video Per! Thank you! i think that express in a few words many important 
things about SOUNDS. 
As you know i'm VERY DEEP in that.
We could continue speaking about it for hours but is very difficoult to change 
the bad behaviour of the people about sounds and noise
For example: this night i went to a concert here in Florence in the middle of 
a square, many people were talking eachother, shouting, phoning... 
an so on...for listen to the pianist i went nearly under his piano!
but maybe is a problem more of latin people than others.
Thanx again Per.

Massimo

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>Ogg: Great speech video on &quot;Sound&quot;
>
>A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
>http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?
iref=allsearch
>
>Greetings from Sweden
>
>Per Boysen
>www.boysen.se
>www.perboysen.com
>www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
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Hey all,

Now that you've recovered from The Festival, I have a hardware question.

Many of you know the original Lexicon Jamman. You know about the 32
second upgrade.

But does anyone have any experience with the modification that Steve
at Signal Technology that claims to add some additional MIDI
functionality AND 17 minutes of recording time?

Inquiring loopers want to know ...

Best,

Dennis

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/

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Per this is quite much to absorb.  I just skimmed on my portable but
was caught by the topics on schzophenia and hearing loss from our ipod
genearation.

Per and Massimo, guys it was so great to see and hear you at Y2KX,
such a moving event this year.  You both were so inventive in your
muse.

Best jim

On 10/23/10, Massimo Liverani <mas.liv@libero.it> wrote:
> Great Video Per! Thank you! i think that express in a few words many
> important
> things about SOUNDS.
> As you know i'm VERY DEEP in that.
> We could continue speaking about it for hours but is very difficoult to
> change
> the bad behaviour of the people about sounds and noise
> For example: this night i went to a concert here in Florence in the middl=
e
> of
> a square, many people were talking eachother, shouting, phoning...
> an so on...for listen to the pianist i went nearly under his piano!
> but maybe is a problem more of latin people than others.
> Thanx again Per.
>
> Massimo
>
>>----Messaggio originale----
>>Da: perboysen@gmail.com
>>Data: 23/10/2010 16.29
>>A: "Loopers-Delight"<Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>Ogg: Great speech video on &quot;Sound&quot;
>>
>>A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
>>http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?
> iref=3Dallsearch
>>
>>Greetings from Sweden
>>
>>Per Boysen
>>www.boysen.se
>>www.perboysen.com
>>www.looproom.com internet music hub
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Per Boysen wrote:
> A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?iref=allsearch
> 

I like the conclusions he draws,
...but does anyone else here think his reasoning is half nonsensical?

curious

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I haven't listened to a lot of TED talks but usually there is some wisdom or a synthesis of ideas presented that makes me go "wow".  This didn't do that.

t
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Yeah, I'm not so sure about the usual "Mozart is good and *** is bad" assertion. I've heard this time and time again from middle class academics.
   
  G
   
  > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:43:07 +0100
  > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
  > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
  > Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
  > 
  > Per Boysen wrote:
  > > A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
  > > http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?iref=allsearch
  > > 
  > 
  > I like the conclusions he draws,
  > ...but does anyone else here think his reasoning is half nonsensical?
  > 
  > curious
  > 
  > andy
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I haven't listened to a lot of TED talks but usually there 
is some wisdom or a synthesis of ideas presented that makes me go "wow".&nbsp; 
This didn't do that.</FONT></DIV>
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  style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
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  href="mailto:buddhamachine@live.co.uk">Gareth Whittock</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  title=loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com 
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>Yeah, I'm not so sure about the usual "Mozart is good and *** 
  is bad"&nbsp;assertion. I've heard this time and time again from middle class 
  academics.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>G<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&gt; Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:43:07 
  +0100<BR>&gt; From: <A 
  href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</A><BR>&gt; To: <A 
  href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A><BR>&gt; 
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  http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?iref=allsearch<BR>&gt; 
  &gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I like the conclusions he draws,<BR>&gt; ...but does 
  anyone else here think his reasoning is half nonsensical?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
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Hello All,
I think whenever I hear such stuff as "Mozart is good" that we're getting
into an area that isn't so cut & dry. Music esthetics can't be tossed in
so casually to make a point about how art makes it's impression upon the
subject experiencing it. " One man's painting is another man's wallpaper"
is not only true but applies to all forms of art, including great art.
=A0I'm also not sure exactly what the overall point was, although I must
admit that a few minutes into his speal I simply turned the presentation
off. Was the point that noise can kill or that =A0bad music can make us
monsters? And I can certainly say that at no point did I ever think "wow"
, my thoughts were more along the line of " so what is your point? " &
then I turned it off.
BTW, this might also be a very good time for a discussion on the
esthetics of music & since it's one of my areas of interest, I'll start
with a simple question:
What is the definition of art?
My answer is: art is intent.



  I haven't listened to a lot of TED talks but usually there is some
  wisdom or a synthesis of ideas presented that makes me go "wow".=A0
  This didn't do that.=A0t

    ----- Original Message ----- From: Gareth WhittockTo:
    loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSent: Sunday, October 24, 2010
    2:24 AMSubject: RE: Great speech video on "Sound"
    Yeah, I'm not so sure about the usual "Mozart is good and *** is
    bad"=A0assertion. I've heard this time and time again from middle
    class academics.
    =A0
    G
    =A0
    > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:43:07 +0100
    > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
    > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    > Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
    >
    > Per Boysen wrote:
    > > A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
    > >
    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?ire=
f=3Dallsearch
    > >
    >
    > I like the conclusions he draws,
    > ...but does anyone else here think his reasoning is half
    nonsensical?
    >
    > curious
    >
    > andy
    >
    >




Mark Showalter
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Hello All,</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>I think whenever I hear such stuff as "=
Mozart is good" that we're getting into an area that isn't so cut &amp; dry=
. Music esthetics can't be tossed in so casually to make a point about how =
art makes it's impression upon the subject experiencing it. " One man's pai=
nting is another man's wallpaper" is not only true but applies to all forms=
 of art, including great art. =A0I'm also not sure exactly what the overall=
 point was, although I must admit that a few minutes into his speal I simpl=
y turned the presentation off. Was the point that noise can kill or that =
=A0bad music can make us monsters? And I can certainly say that at no point=
 did I ever think "wow" , my thoughts were more along the line of " so what=
 is your point? " &amp; then I turned it off.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>BTW,=
 this might also be a very good time for a discussion on the esthetics of m=
usic &amp; since it's one of my areas of interest, I'll start with a simple=
 question:</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>What is the definition of art?</DIV><DI=
V><BR></DIV><DIV>My answer is: art is intent.</DIV><DIV><BR>
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This didn't do that.</FONT></DIV>
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I like it:-)

Art is transformation of perception or intent to transform perception; in other 
words communicating a new perception so others may experience it too... This is 
also true of physics.

Antony Hequet



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Hello All,

I think whenever I hear such stuff as "Mozart is good" that we're getting into 
an area that isn't so cut & dry. Music esthetics can't be tossed in so casually 
to make a point about how art makes it's impression upon the subject 
experiencing it. " One man's painting is another man's wallpaper" is not only 
true but applies to all forms of art, including great art.  I'm also not sure 
exactly what the overall point was, although I must admit that a few minutes 
into his speal I simply turned the presentation off. Was the point that noise 
can kill or that  bad music can make us monsters? And I can certainly say that 
at no point did I ever think "wow" , my thoughts were more along the line of " 
so what is your point? " & then I turned it off.

BTW, this might also be a very good time for a discussion on the esthetics of 
music & since it's one of my areas of interest, I'll start with a simple 
question:

What is the definition of art?

My answer is: art is intent.



>
> 
>I haven't listened to a lot of TED talks but usually there  is some wisdom or a 
>synthesis of ideas presented that makes me go "wow".   This didn't do that.
> 
>t
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Gareth Whittock 
>>To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com 
>>Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 2:24    AM
>>Subject: RE: Great speech video on    "Sound"
>>
>>Yeah, I'm not so sure about the usual "Mozart is good and ***    is 
>>bad" assertion. I've heard this time and time again from middle class    
>>academics.
>> 
>>G
>> 
>>> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:43:07    +0100
>>> From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>    Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
>>> 
>>> Per Boysen    wrote:
>>> > A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
>>> > 
>>>http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?iref=allsearch
>>>
>>>    > 
>>> 
>>> I like the conclusions he draws,
>>> ...but does    anyone else here think his reasoning is half nonsensical?
>>> 
>>>    curious
>>> 
>>> andy
>>> 
>>> 
>>



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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div>I like it:-)</div><div><br></div><div>Art is transformation of perception or intent to transform perception; in other words communicating a new perception so others may experience it too... This is also true of physics.</div><div><br></div><div>Antony Hequet</div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Mark Showalter &lt;folkstone57@operamail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sun, October 24, 2010 4:42:08 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Great
 speech video on "Sound"<br></font><br>

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<br>
Hello All,</div><div><br></div><div>I think whenever I hear such stuff as "Mozart is good" that we're getting into an area that isn't so cut &amp; dry. Music esthetics can't be tossed in so casually to make a point about how art makes it's impression upon the subject experiencing it. " One man's painting is another man's wallpaper" is not only true but applies to all forms of art, including great art. &nbsp;I'm also not sure exactly what the overall point was, although I must admit that a few minutes into his speal I simply turned the presentation off. Was the point that noise can kill or that &nbsp;bad music can make us monsters? And I can certainly say that at no point did I ever think "wow" , my thoughts were more along the line of " so what is your point? " &amp; then I turned it off.</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, this might also be a very good time for a discussion on the esthetics of music &amp; since it's one of my areas of interest, I'll start
 with a simple question:</div><div><br></div><div>What is the definition of art?</div><div><br></div><div>My answer is: art is intent.</div><div><br>
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<div><font face="Arial">I haven't listened to a lot of TED talks but usually there 
is some wisdom or a synthesis of ideas presented that makes me go "wow".&nbsp; 
This didn't do that.</font></div>
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  <a rel="nofollow" title="buddhamachine@live.co.uk" ymailto="mailto:buddhamachine@live.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:buddhamachine@live.co.uk">Gareth Whittock</a> </div>
  <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" ymailto="mailto:loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com">loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com</a> 
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  <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 24, 2010 2:24 
  AM</div>
  <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> RE: Great speech video on 
  "Sound"</div>
  <div><br></div>Yeah, I'm not so sure about the usual "Mozart is good and *** 
  is bad"&nbsp;assertion. I've heard this time and time again from middle class 
  academics.<br>&nbsp;<br>G<br>&nbsp;<br>&gt; Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:43:07 
  +0100<br>&gt; From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a><br>&gt; To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>&gt; 
  Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Per Boysen 
  wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; A tip for inspiration. Check it out at<br><span>&gt; &gt; 
  <a target="_blank" href="http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?iref=allsearch">http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?iref=allsearch</a></span><br>&gt; 
  &gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; I like the conclusions he draws,<br>&gt; ...but does 
  anyone else here think his reasoning is half nonsensical?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; 
  curious<br>&gt; <br>&gt; andy<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br></blockquote>

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<pre>Mark Showalter
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On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Mark Showalter
<folkstone57@operamail.com> wrote:
>
> What is the definition of art?
> My answer is: art is intent.


Not much to discuss since I agree ;-)

"Intent" includes other less abstract descriptions as "communication
of perspective" etc. I mean, even if no one understands a piece of art
it still is art.

A related thought:
At the SC live looping festival last week Singapore musician Randolf
Arriola reminded us in a discussion about the three aspects that are
evident in public performance: entertainment value, musical value and
art value. The understatement in that discussion was that many live
looping artist focus mainly on music and art factors when putting on a
show.

Greetings from Sweden

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It's companion piece is here:

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/julian_treasure_the_4_ways_sound_affects_us.html

I  can now understand why  a 12 second loop is so soothing ...!

>A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
>http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?iref=allsearch
>
>Greetings from Sweden
>
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> Date: Sun=2C 24 Oct 2010 13:19:49 -0400
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> From: cazwicky@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
>=20
> It's companion piece is here:
>=20
> http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/julian_treasure_the_4_ways_sound_affect=
s_us.html
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> I can now understand why a 12 second loop is so soothing ...!
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> >A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
> >http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?iref=
=3Dallsearch
> >
> >Greetings from Sweden
> >
> >Per Boysen
> >www.boysen.se
> >www.perboysen.com
> >www.looproom.com internet music hub
>=20
>=20
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> http://www.zmix.net
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> http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky
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Hi, Thank you for this link, sound education is very important, is very 
important to know
tje importance of noise and music too and all the musicians should be conscius 
of their
power on proposing their music to people. I don't want to live in a world of 
deaf people.
Max liver

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>Ogg: Re: Great speech video on &quot;Sound&quot;
>
>It's companion piece is here:
>
>http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/julian_treasure_the_4_ways_sound_affects_us.
html
>
>I  can now understand why  a 12 second loop is so soothing ...!
>
>>A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
>>http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?
iref=allsearch
>>
>>Greetings from Sweden
>>
>>Per Boysen
>>www.boysen.se
>>www.perboysen.com
>>www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>
>-- 
>
>...
>http://www.zmix.net
>
>http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky
>
>http://albumcredits.com/zmix
>
>


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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. 10.26.10 THE AMBiENT PiNG presents FAR SiDE OF THE MOON
featuring FREIDA ABTAN + HOLZKOPF + NICK STORRING
+ WORKER + THE NAUSEA (ANJU SINGH)

@ Supermarket  . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market .
     just south of College  .  Map, info and directions at:
     http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact
     Tues. Oct. 26th . Doors open at 8pm . 1st set at 8:30 . $6

. Freida Abtan . Freida Abtan is a Canadian multi-disciplinary
artist and composer. Her music falls somewhere in between
musique concrete and more modern noise and experimental
audio and both genres are influential to her sound. Her work
has been compared to bands such as Coil, and Zoviet France,
and to that of performers such as Andrew Liles because of her
use of spectral manipulation and collage.

Freida primarily works with samples of both musical and non-musical
objects that she records herself and then manipulates, often beyond
recognition, through techniques derived from musique concrète and
through successive layers of digital signal processing. She uses
structures reminiscent of popular music and more abstract
compositional variants to sequence these sounds into melodic
songs before incorporating her own treated voice.

As well as having created visual shows for and performed with the
internationally renown group Nurse with Wound, Freida has presented
her own sound and visual work at festivals across North America and
Europe. Her first album "subtle movements" is available on United
Dairies / Jnana Records. Her upcoming release "the hands of the
dancer" will be available on Robot Records.

. Holzkopf . Since 2001, Holzkopf has been developing a style
of hypnotic and frenetic dance music made from a mishmash
of homemade tape collages, blown out drum machine beats,
dumpstered Chinese pop cassettes, raw data noise, barely
controlled feedback and smashed and grabbed found sounds.
The sound is reminiscent of proto-industrial, disco, hip-hop, global
psychedelia, gospel and breakcore synthesized into a complete
unique whole unlike any one component part. This is futurist and
anarchist music made on cheap gear, recorded live to tape or dusty
old hard drives. It embodies the spirits of rotting architecture and
100 year old brothels, the wide open spaces of the Canadian prairies
and the angst and anger of battling slum-lords, debt and panic.
More than anything else though, the music is a celebration.
Celebration, after all, is the best form of protest. Sharing the
stage with Princesse Rotative, Cex, Electric Kettle, Andrew Duke,
Maladroit, Botborg, the Shearing Pinx, Sam Shalabi, Knurl,
Emil Beaulieau and many others over multiple tours through
Canada and Europe (in squats, clubs, backyards and under
bridges), a Holzkopf performance is always a spontaneous,
raw and one of a kind experience.

. Nick Storring . Composer, cellist, electronic musician and freelance
journalist based out of Toronto. An omnivorous listener, I also make
a wide range of music spanning abstract electronica, chamber music,
fake world music to extensions of house and New Jack Swing! I play
in the bands Picastro and I Have Eaten The City and routinely
collaborate with various artists of other disciplines: dance,
installation, theatre and film.

. Worker + The Nausea (Anju Singh) . Both of these Vancouver
based artists share a serious passion for sound art, drone and
electronics. Worker does lots of circuit bending and modified
electronics and The Nausea (Anju Singh) does mostly ambient
and meditative drones via feedback, violins, etc. Anju also runs
experimental series in Vancouver called fake jazz wednesdays
for the sake of fun and experimentation!

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

COMiNG SOON:

TUESDAY NOVEMBER 23rd 2010 - DECRYiNG CENSORSHiP
featuring AMOEBA STARFISH + MICHAEL HOLCER
+ BENJAMIN ELFASSY & ERIC HOPPER
@ Supermarket  . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market .
     just south of College  .  Map, info and directions at:
     http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact
     PiNG doors open at 8pm . 1st set at 8:30 . $6

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of
audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG
presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic,
soundscape, space, drone, psychedelic, chillout, downtempo,
darkwave and experimental artists from around the world.
http://www.theambientping.com

The PiNG also has a Twitter account to send you advance
updates and reminders of the when & where of future PiNG events.
Just search for ambientping to find us. http://twitter.com

ViSiT the ping things store for ambient, electronic and chill things:
http://www.pingthings.com

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or
appropriate newsgroups. Thanks.

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Sorry, Of course 5 seconds.. typo!

>Should be 5 second loops, no.. (12 cycles per minute)
>my loops FREQUENTLY happends to have cycles that are around 2 and a 
>half second (2,4 on the edp display)
>
>>  Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 13:19:49 -0400
>>  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>  From: cazwicky@earthlink.net
>>  Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
>>
>>  It's companion piece is here:
>>
>> 
>>http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/julian_treasure_the_4_ways_sound_affects_us.html
>>
>>  I can now understand why a 12 second loop is so soothing ...!
>>
>>  >A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
>>  >http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?iref=allsearch
>>  >
>>  >Greetings from Sweden
>>  >
>>  >Per Boysen
>>  >www.boysen.se
>>  >www.perboysen.com
>>  >www.looproom.com internet music hub
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>>  ...
>>  http://www.zmix.net
>>
>>  http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky
>>
>>  http://albumcredits.com/zmix
>>
>


-- 

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 17:48:39 +0200
>=20
>=20
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Mark Showalter
> <folkstone57@operamail.com> wrote:
> >
> > What is the definition of art?
> > My answer is: art is intent.
>=20
>=20
> Not much to discuss since I agree ;-)
>=20
> "Intent" includes other less abstract descriptions as "communication
> of perspective" etc.
Not sure what you mean here, could you expand on this a bit more?

 I mean, even if no one understands a piece of art
> it still is art.

I agree here with only one additional comment. There is also the determinat=
ion of the "artist" validity i.e. can the person experiencing the art trust=
 the sincerity of the artist. Cubisim comes to mind here as I find it hard =
to know if a cube drawn on a piece of canvass because that was the style at=
 the time expresses the intent to produce art or is just a bandwagon produc=
t. Or, one could look at this as the old " give the audience what they want=
 " tactic, which I'm not so sure really constitutes art.=20

> A related thought:
> At the SC live looping festival last week Singapore musician Randolf
> Arriola reminded us in a discussion about the three aspects that are
> evident in public performance: entertainment value, musical value and
> art value. The understatement in that discussion was that many live
> looping artist focus mainly on music and art factors when putting on a
> show.

Do all Live Loopers agree with this statement? Or rather understatement?=20
=20=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub

>



Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com
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  Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
  Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:28:55 -0700 (PDT)

  I like it:-)
  Glad to hear this.
  Art is transformation of perception or intent to transform
  perception; in other words communicating a new perception so others
  may experience it too... This is also true of physics.
  Not so sure what the reference to physics means, but how would you
  include the realism approach into your statement?
  A photographer friend I had in college who's pictures were usually
  just plain amazing told me his whole point for taking pictures was so
  that his work " was the next best thing to being there" , like many
  of the guys he admired. Ansel Adams was one of his idols, although I
  thought the stuff he did was far superior to because of course, his
  were all colour photos. Shows you how much I know......=A0
  Antony Hequet

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  From: Mark Showalter <folkstone57@operamail.com>
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
  Sent: Sun, October 24, 2010 4:42:08 PM
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  Hello All,
  I think whenever I hear such stuff as "Mozart is good" that we're
  getting into an area that isn't so cut & dry. Music esthetics can't
  be tossed in so casually to make a point about how art makes it's
  impression upon the subject experiencing it. " One man's painting is
  another man's wallpaper" is not only true but applies to all forms of
  art, including great art. =A0I'm also not sure exactly what the overall
  point was, although I must admit that a few minutes into his speal I
  simply turned the presentation off. Was the point that noise can kill
  or that =A0bad music can make us monsters? And I can certainly say that
  at no point did I ever think "wow" , my thoughts were more along the
  line of " so what is your point? " & then I turned it off.
  BTW, this might also be a very good time for a discussion on the
  esthetics of music & since it's one of my areas of interest, I'll
  start with a simple question:
  What is the definition of art?
  My answer is: art is intent.



    I haven't listened to a lot of TED talks but usually there is
    some wisdom or a synthesis of ideas presented that makes me go
    "wow".=A0 This didn't do that.=A0t

      ----- Original Message ----- From: Gareth WhittockTo:
      loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSent: Sunday, October 24,
      2010 2:24 AMSubject: RE: Great speech video on "Sound"
      Yeah, I'm not so sure about the usual "Mozart is good and ***
      is bad"=A0assertion. I've heard this time and time again from
      middle class academics.
      =A0
      G
      =A0
      > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:43:07 +0100
      > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
      > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
      > Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
      >
      > Per Boysen wrote:
      > > A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
      > >
      http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?i=
ref=3Dallsearch
      > >
      >
      > I like the conclusions he draws,
      > ...but does anyone else here think his reasoning is half
      nonsensical?
      >
      > curious
      >
      > andy
      >
      >




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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"border-left:solid #1010ff 2px; margin-left:5px; paddin=
g-left:5px;">----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com<BR>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"<BR>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:28:55 -0700 (PDT)<BR>
<BR>

<STYLE type=3D"text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></STYLE><DIV style=3D"fo=
nt-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><DIV>I like it:-)</D=
IV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Glad to hear this.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Art is t=
ransformation of perception or intent to transform perception; in other wor=
ds communicating a new perception so others may experience it too... This i=
s also true of physics.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Not so sure what the refer=
ence to physics means, but how would you include the realism approach into =
your statement?<BR></DIV><DIV>A photographer friend I had in college who's =
pictures were usually just plain amazing told me his whole point for taking=
 pictures was so that his work " was the next best thing to being there" , =
like many of the guys he admired. Ansel Adams was one of his idols, althoug=
h I thought the stuff he did was far superior to because of course, his wer=
e all colour photos. Shows you how much I know......</DIV><DIV>=A0</DIV><DI=
V><BR></DIV><DIV>Antony Hequet</DIV><DIV style=3D"font-family:arial, helvet=
ica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><BR><DIV style=3D"font-family:times new rom=
an, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"=
><HR size=3D"1"><B><SPAN style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</SPAN></B> Mark=
 Showalter &lt;folkstone57@operamail.com&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"font-weig=
ht: bold;">To:</SPAN></B> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR><B><SPAN s=
tyle=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sun, October 24, 2010 4:42:08 =
PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Great
 speech video on "Sound"<BR></FONT><BR>

<DIV>
<BR>
Hello All,</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>I think whenever I hear such stuff as "=
Mozart is good" that we're getting into an area that isn't so cut &amp; dry=
. Music esthetics can't be tossed in so casually to make a point about how =
art makes it's impression upon the subject experiencing it. " One man's pai=
nting is another man's wallpaper" is not only true but applies to all forms=
 of art, including great art. =A0I'm also not sure exactly what the overall=
 point was, although I must admit that a few minutes into his speal I simpl=
y turned the presentation off. Was the point that noise can kill or that =
=A0bad music can make us monsters? And I can certainly say that at no point=
 did I ever think "wow" , my thoughts were more along the line of " so what=
 is your point? " &amp; then I turned it off.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>BTW,=
 this might also be a very good time for a discussion on the esthetics of m=
usic &amp; since it's one of my areas of interest, I'll start
 with a simple question:</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>What is the definition of=
 art?</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>My answer is: art is intent.</DIV><DIV><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial">I haven't listened to a lot of TED talks but usua=
lly there=20
is some wisdom or a synthesis of ideas presented that makes me go "wow".=A0=
=20
This didn't do that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>=A0</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial">t</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A rel=3D"nofollow" title=3D"buddhamachine@live.co.uk" ymailto=3D"mailto:=
buddhamachine@live.co.uk" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:buddhamachine@li=
ve.co.uk">Gareth Whittock</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;"><B>To:</B> <A rel=3D"nofollow" title=3D"l=
oopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:loopers-delight@loope=
rs-delight.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:loopers-delight@loopers-de=
light.com">loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 24, 2010 2:2=
4=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Great speech video on=
=20
  "Sound"</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Yeah, I'm not so sure about the usual "Mozart is good and =
***=20
  is bad"=A0assertion. I've heard this time and time again from middle clas=
s=20
  academics.<BR>=A0<BR>G<BR>=A0<BR>&gt; Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:43:07=20
  +0100<BR>&gt; From: <A rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:akbutler@tiscal=
i.co.uk" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@=
tiscali.co.uk</A><BR>&gt; To: <A rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:Loopers=
-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Deli=
ght@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A><BR>&gt;=20
  Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Per Boysen=20
  wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; A tip for inspiration. Check it out at<BR><SPAN>&gt; =
&gt;=20
  <A target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/tr=
easure.sound/index.html?iref=3Dallsearch">http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINI=
ON/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?iref=3Dallsearch</A></SPAN><BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I like the conclusions he draws,<BR>&gt; ...but do=
es=20
  anyone else here think his reasoning is half nonsensical?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt=
;=20
  curious<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; andy<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>

</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>

<PRE>Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

<A target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://myspace.com/folkstone57">myspace.com/fo=
lkstone57</A><SPAN>
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<PRE>Mark Showalter
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Complete video and audio of Bill Walker's and Krispen Hartung's sets are now
available on YouTube:

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Fantastic Tim! Almost as good as being there!

jeff
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At 11:20 PM +0100 10/24/10, Mark Showalter wrote:
>
>>  A related thought:
>>  At the SC live looping festival last week Singapore musician Randolf
>>  Arriola reminded us in a discussion about the three aspects that are
>>  evident in public performance: entertainment value, musical value and
>>  art value. The understatement in that discussion was that many live
>>  looping artist focus mainly on music and art factors when putting on a
>>  show.
>
>Do all Live Loopers agree with this statement? Or rather understatement?

To a great extent.  However, as always, the devil is in the details: 
define your terminology.

We're already hip-deep into another discussion on the definition of 
Art and its value.  (Not the first, and I'm sure it won't be the 
last.)

Musical Value may be close enough -- in this case -- to overlap with 
Art.  The difference may be subtle.  Dunno; gonna have to consider 
that one....

But keep in mind that Entertainment Value is not an absolute either. 
It is completely relative to the audience.  Compare somebody sitting 
quietly watching a symphony performance with another individual 
moshing his brains out at a hardcore show.  Both have vastly 
different expectations for the performance.  Is one more 
"entertained" than the other?

	--m.
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> At 11:20 PM +0100 10/24/10, Mark Showalter wrote:
> >
> >>  A related thought:
> >>  At the SC live looping festival last week Singapore musician Randolf
> >>  Arriola reminded us in a discussion about the three aspects that are
> >>  evident in public performance: entertainment value, musical value and
> >>  art value. The understatement in that discussion was that many live
> >>  looping artist focus mainly on music and art factors when putting on a
> >>  show.
> >
> > Do all Live Loopers agree with this statement? Or rather understatement?
>=20
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tself of great value in my opinion. I think the world in general would agre=
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I would be interested to hear what you come up with.
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I don't think anything can really be considered an absolute, especially art=
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 a word to emphasize "insane".

It is completely relative to the audience.  Compare=20
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r, then you have to quiz each person. How entertained they are is not just =
a matter of the music they listen to. Plus, we are obviously dealing with v=
ery subjective experiences so we're into what each would tell us. But my or=
iginal question was: what is art or a definition of what is or constitutes =
art.

> 	--m.
> -- _____
> "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of=20
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>



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Wow, I'm just floored by the beauty of it. That's really the nicest thing
I've seen and heard, well maybe, ever.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Tim Thompson <tjt@nosuch.com> wrote:

> Complete video and audio of Bill Walker's and Krispen Hartung's sets are
> now available on YouTube:
>
>       Bill Walker - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEYSnSKah7o
>
>       Krispen Hartung - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAPutsL3oWk
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>   ...Tim...
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Wow, I&#39;m just floored by the beauty of it. That&#39;s really the nicest=
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l_quote">On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Tim Thompson <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:tjt@nosuch.com">tjt@nosuch.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div>Complete video and audio of=A0Bill Walker&#39;s and Krispen =
Hartung&#39;s sets=A0are now available on YouTube:</div>
<div><br></div><div>=A0=A0 =A0 =A0Bill Walker -=A0<a href=3D"http://www.you=
tube.com/watch?v=3DhEYSnSKah7o" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/wa=
tch?v=3DhEYSnSKah7o</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>=A0=A0 =A0 =A0Krispen Hartung -=A0<a href=3D"http://www=
.youtube.com/watch?v=3DeAPutsL3oWk" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.co=
m/watch?v=3DeAPutsL3oWk</a></div><div><br></div><font color=3D"#888888"><di=
v>=A0=A0...Tim...</div>
<div><br></div><div>=A0=A0 =A0=A0</div></font></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Art Simon<br><a href=3D=
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Awesome!  Tim, can you put this one on your server so I can download it?
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 6:17 PM
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  Complete video and audio of Bill Walker's and Krispen Hartung's sets =
are now available on YouTube:


        Bill Walker - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhEYSnSKah7o


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    ...Tim...


       
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I wanted to forward this on, what I sent to a few groups I run, but mainly 
to get a good plug in for Rick.  I meant everything I said below, Rick!  :)
Kris

----- Original Message ----- 

Hello folks,

Below is a link to the YouTube video of my set with festival director Rick 
Walker at his recent Y2KX International Live Looping Festival in San 
Francisco, San Jose, and Santa Cruz, CA.  This was the grand finale of this 
festival series, sadly, but this has to be one of the most inspirational 
sets I have played in my career as an improvisational guitarist.  Rick is a 
fabulous percussionist, who really knows how to listen, has a sense of 
humor, and and can play just about any genre on the planet.  I am so elated 
to have played with him, yet again, and I hope to bring him to the 6th 
Annual Boise Creative and Improvised Music festival this year so that I can 
selfishly steal him for another set like this.  :)

I am playing through a custom archtop guitar and a Fender Blue Junior Tweed 
re-issue, and I am looping both Rick and I through my laptop, Max/MSP, and a 
looping patch written by Jeff Kaiser, which I have customized to be totally 
automated and randomly loop and generate random loop effects (reverse, half 
speed, double-speed, random speed, random buffer, etc, and a combination of 
these). Rick is also looping as well on top of this.

This is a far out set, as is the video, which was shot and edit by Tim 
Thompson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAPutsL3oWk


Kris Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com
. 

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Hi, great and brave discussion! what is ART? one the question of the humanity.I think that is not possible to define ART, is the classical word that everyone means in different waysso the definition that we could attribute to it is a form of communication without using classical channel, by the way i agree with Mark, it is impossible to know the value of art (even if many people do it) sometimesit hit directly inside our heart sometimes it does no effects, probably because we are differently tuned, i don'tknow but when it does it seems like somone have touch your inner chords and is fantastic.I excuse me for my not perfect english. I hope you understand my efforts to express these complicated concepts but i'd like to give my contribute to the discusion.Greetings to evrbdy! 
Massimo Liverani







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-->I like it:-)
Glad to hear this.
Art is transformation of perception or intent to transform perception; in other words communicating a new perception so others may experience it too... This is also true of physics.
Not so sure what the reference to physics means, but how would you include the realism approach into your statement?
A photographer friend I had in college who's pictures were usually just plain amazing told me his whole point for taking pictures was so that his work " was the next best thing to being there" , like many of the guys he admired. Ansel Adams was one of his idols, although I thought the stuff he did was far superior to because of course, his were all colour photos. Shows you how much I know...... 
Antony Hequet
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Hello All,
I think whenever I hear such stuff as "Mozart is good" that we're getting into an area that isn't so cut &amp; dry. Music esthetics can't be tossed in so casually to make a point about how art makes it's impression upon the subject experiencing it. " One man's painting is another man's wallpaper" is not only true but applies to all forms of art, including great art.  I'm also not sure exactly what the overall point was, although I must admit that a few minutes into his speal I simply turned the presentation off. Was the point that noise can kill or that  bad music can make us monsters? And I can certainly say that at no point did I ever think "wow" , my thoughts were more along the line of " so what is your point? " &amp; then I turned it off.
BTW, this might also be a very good time for a discussion on the esthetics of music &amp; since it's one of my areas of interest, I'll start
 with a simple question:
What is the definition of art?
My answer is: art is intent.













I haven't listened to a lot of TED talks but usually there 
is some wisdom or a synthesis of ideas presented that makes me go "wow".  
This didn't do that.
 
t

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Gareth Whittock 
  To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 2:24 
  AM
  Subject: RE: Great speech video on 
  "Sound"
  
Yeah, I'm not so sure about the usual "Mozart is good and *** 
  is bad" assertion. I've heard this time and time again from middle class 
  academics.
 
G
 
> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:43:07 
  +0100
> From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> 
  Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
> 
> Per Boysen 
  wrote:
> > A tip for inspiration. Check it out at
> > 
  http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/10/treasure.sound/index.html?iref=allsearch
> 
  > 
> 
> I like the conclusions he draws,
> ...but does 
  anyone else here think his reasoning is half nonsensical?
> 
> 
  curious
> 
> andy
> 
> 










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<p style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Hi, great and brave discussion! wha=
t is ART? one the question of the humanity.</p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; pad=
ding: 0px;">I think that is not possible to define ART, is the classical wo=
rd that everyone means in different ways</p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; paddin=
g: 0px;">so the definition that we could attribute to it is a form of commu=
nication without using classical channel, </p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; padd=
ing: 0px;">by the way i agree with Mark, it is impossible to know the value=
 of art (even if many people do it) sometimes</p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; p=
adding: 0px;">it hit directly inside our heart sometimes it does no effects=
, probably because we are differently tuned, i don't</p><p style=3D"margin:=
 0px; padding: 0px;">know but when it does it seems like somone have touch =
your inner chords and is fantastic.</p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0p=
x;">I excuse me for my not perfect english. I hope you understand my effort=
s to express these complicated </p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">=
concepts but i'd like to give my contribute to the discusion.</p><p style=
=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Greetings to evrbdy! </p><p style=3D"margin=
: 0px; padding: 0px;"><br></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Massi=
mo Liverani<br></p>

<blockquote><div>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: =
5px; padding-left: 5px;" mce_style=3D"border-left:solid #1010ff 2px; margin=
-left:5px; padding-left:5px;">----- Original Message -----<br>
From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com<br>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"<br>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:28:55 -0700 (PDT)<br>
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ns-serif;font-size:14pt"><div>I like it:-)</div><div><br></div><div>Glad to=
 hear this.</div><div><br></div><div>Art is transformation of perception or=
 intent to transform perception; in other words communicating a new percept=
ion so others may experience it too... This is also true of physics.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Not so sure what the reference to physics means, but how=
 would you include the realism approach into your statement?<br></div><div>=
A photographer friend I had in college who's pictures were usually just pla=
in amazing told me his whole point for taking pictures was so that his work=
 " was the next best thing to being there" , like many of the guys he admir=
ed. Ansel Adams was one of his idols, although I thought the stuff he did w=
as far superior to because of course, his were all colour photos. Shows you=
 how much I know......</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Antony Heq=
uet</div><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: =
14pt;" mce_style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt=
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"font-weight: bold;" mce_style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Looper=
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 speech video on "Sound"<br></font><br>

<div>
<br>
Hello All,</div><div><br></div><div>I think whenever I hear such stuff as "=
Mozart is good" that we're getting into an area that isn't so cut &amp; dry=
. Music esthetics can't be tossed in so casually to make a point about how =
art makes it's impression upon the subject experiencing it. " One man's pai=
nting is another man's wallpaper" is not only true but applies to all forms=
 of art, including great art. &nbsp;I'm also not sure exactly what the over=
all point was, although I must admit that a few minutes into his speal I si=
mply turned the presentation off. Was the point that noise can kill or that=
 &nbsp;bad music can make us monsters? And I can certainly say that at no p=
oint did I ever think "wow" , my thoughts were more along the line of " so =
what is your point? " &amp; then I turned it off.</div><div><br></div><div>=
BTW, this might also be a very good time for a discussion on the esthetics =
of music &amp; since it's one of my areas of interest, I'll start
 with a simple question:</div><div><br></div><div>What is the definition of=
 art?</div><div><br></div><div>My answer is: art is intent.</div><div><br>
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<pre>Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

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Minden Jot!

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Hello from sunny but COLD London, Loopers! I'm selling some music =
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The main item is my beautiful Airline Twin Tone guitar. Here's the ebay =
ad for pictures and spec (I put the ad on last week, but it doesn't look =
like it's going to meet my reserve so probably won't be sold):

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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D300483207147&ssPag=
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It is the same make as the famous Jack White red guitar used in the =
White Stripes and he also uses the Airline make in The Raconteurs, plus =
this particular model has been used by lots of pro musicians, from the =
Black Keys to David Bowie. As you can see from the ad, it's had some new =
amazing pick ups fitted, which really gives it that dirty blues sound =
and it's been set up by a pro so it plays like a dream. It's a reluctant =
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owned and really comes into its own when playing blues.... I definitely =
would not sell if I didn't have to! I'm looking for around =A3320 for =
the guitar - do you know anyone?

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Also selling the stock dual hot rail humbuckers which came fitted to the =
guitar, that are pretty damn good too.... I just wanted a rawer sound. =
The guitar tech said they were up there with the best humbuckers on the =
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Looking for =A350 for these. Open to offers though.

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If you know anyone who wants to buy any of the above please get them to =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
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10.0pt;color:navy'>Hello from sunny but COLD <st1:place =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:City
 w:st=3D"on">London</st1:City></st1:place>, Loopers! I&#8217;m selling =
some music
equipment and I wondered if you knew anyone who might be =
interested?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DVerdana><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>The main item is my beautiful Airline Twin Tone =
guitar.
Here&#8217;s the ebay ad for pictures and spec (I put the ad on last =
week, but
it doesn&#8217;t look like it&#8217;s going to meet my reserve so =
probably won&#8217;t
be sold):<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DVerdana><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
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href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3D300483=
207147&amp;ssPageName=3DSTRK:MESELX:IT"
title=3D"http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3D30048=
3207147&amp;ssPageName=3DSTRK:MESELX:IT">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISA=
PI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3D300483207147&amp;ssPageName=3DSTRK:MESELX:IT</=
a></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>It is the same make as the famous Jack White red =
guitar used
in the White Stripes and he also uses the Airline make in The =
Raconteurs, plus
this particular model has been used by lots of pro musicians, from the =
Black
Keys to David Bowie. As you can see from the ad, it&#8217;s had some new
amazing pick ups fitted, which really gives it that dirty blues sound =
and
it&#8217;s been set up by a pro so it plays like a dream. It&#8217;s a
reluctant sale as I need the money; it is by far the best sounding =
guitar I
have owned and really comes into its own when playing blues&#8230;. I
definitely would not sell if I didn&#8217;t have to! I&#8217;m looking =
for
around =A3320 for the guitar &#8211; do you know =
anyone?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DVerdana><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>Also selling the stock dual hot rail humbuckers which =
came
fitted to the guitar, that are pretty damn good too&#8230;. I just =
wanted a
rawer sound. The guitar tech said they were up there with the best =
humbuckers
on the market&#8230;. So if he was impressed I&#8217;m sure the buyers =
will be
too! Looking for =A350 for these. Open to offers =
though.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DVerdana><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DVerdana><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>If you know anyone who wants to buy any of the above =
please
get them to get in touch&#8230;.. happy to answer any questions&#8230;. =
Or negotiate&#8230;&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DVerdana><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>We can discuss shipping, etc too if you are =
interested.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DVerdana><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DVerdana><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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> Awesome!  Tim, can you put this one on your server so I can download it?

Sure.  Both of these edited videos (the exact files I uploaded to YouTube)
can now be found in .mp4 format here:

    http://blueparticles.com/particles/y2kx/mp4

They're very large - 600-700 MB.

    ...Tim...

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">&gt; Awesome! =A0Tim, can you put this one on yo=
ur server so I can download it?<div><br></div><div>Sure. =A0Both of these e=
dited videos (the exact files I uploaded to YouTube)<br>can now be found in=
 .mp4 format here:</div>
<div><br></div><div>=A0=A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://blueparticles.com/particles=
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div><div>They&#39;re very large - 600-700 MB.</div><div><br></div><div>=A0=
=A0 =A0...Tim...</div>
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Title sez it. I am selling my 1970s Greyface Arp 2600. In VGC with CMS
audio path upgrades and extra work.  FULLY working in great shape.

Original Arp 2600 modular synthesizer. Greyface unit with original "moog"
4012 filer. When I bought this in the 90s it was in bad shape. I had CMS
(THE top ARP 2600 authority in the country) go over everything from top t=
o
bottom and had them install a new CMS VCO, clean and lubricate all
sliders, jacks, etc.

 I also had the full audio path upgrade performed and had a new old stock
speaker put in, 1/4" in and output jacks, extra multiples, and a new
Power supply upgrade. This thing is a MONSTER and a great player synth.

Check out the CMS pages for what the Audio upgrade and features they
perform are here:=20
http://www.discretesynthesizers.com/arptronics/services.htm

Cosmetically the tolex is worn but the case is solid and comes with a lid=
.
 The front panel is about an 8/10 with no major scratches etc and it has =
a
dedicated LFO mod installed under VCO 1 which could have been done to loo=
k
better but actually works quite well. (You can see the knobs and three
outputs in the pic). I had CMS work on the spring reverb and it has a
slightly different mod mix between the left and right channels which is
cool for making things cleaner or deeper into space depending on how you
plug in and out.

Bad phone pic of the actual unit up at:
http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/Salez/2600s.jpg  I will take others
for serious buyers of course.

Asking $6000 US ONO. That is my stock price for the 2600 with all upgrade=
$
and service (which cost a few thousand on their own).  I do not want any
more than that so the only cost will be actual shipping and packing to
where you are for a total.

I REALLY REALLY do NOT want to ship this but for a quick and painless sal=
e
I will consider it if the buyer handles all costs. I imagine it will be
expensive to ship to Europe mostly because of insurance and taxes but as
long as I get our agreed price I will do it.

If you pick it up locally here in Phila PA I will happily be a bit
flexible on the price. Will consider meeting nearby as well. NY and DC
buyers very welcome. Do your research and see what this unit in this
condition with CMS work is going for.  No trades.

Unit is 100% functional and will be tested demoed for any serious buyer.
If you are out of town I'll do a phone and/or video demo.

This is my personal 2600 and I have good trader posts locally and online
from Analog Heaven, Ebay, and more since the mid 1990s. I know synths and
their condition. As the dealer sharks say "no surprises" here. This is a
great unit with awesome features and sounds wonderful. Will send
references to serious buyers once we meet.

Given the price I may work out a partial cash and local bank cashiers
check deal as well. The full check will need to be cleared and verified
prior to the unit being delivered. Same with bank transfers from those fa=
r
away. I'm flexible and helpful but not stupid :)


Any questions please let me know. I do not HAVE to sell this but would be
happy to do so to a good and solid buyer.

Thanks for looking!



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> Mark S. wrote:

> But my original question was: what is art or a definition of what is or co=
nstitutes art.

I'd say: communication coherent to the artist's intention.
IMHO, Art is "a value" shared between the artist and the public that just wo=
rks on a different level of our brain and in a subjective way.


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Per Boysen wrote:

>  even if no one understands a piece of art
> it still is art.

give an example 

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I think it'd be rather difficult to give an example because for any you =
would care to give, someone somewhere would have understood it as art.

On Oct 26, 2010, at 10:45 AM, andy butler wrote:

> Per Boysen wrote:
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>> even if no one understands a piece of art
>> it still is art.
>=20
> give an example=20

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>> Per Boysen wrote:
>>
>>> even if no one understands a piece of art
>>> it still is art.

> On Oct 26, 2010, at 10:45 AM, andy butler wrote:
>> give an example

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:56 AM, doc rossi <docittern@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it'd be rather difficult to give an example because for any you would care to give, someone somewhere would have understood it as art.

Yes, it is indeed "in the eye of the beholder".

But maybe one could give the example "opera music"; I mean, you need
to follow the plot in order to understand the meaning of some musical
parts. But a new opera play is still art even before having been
performed in public for the first time. Another example would be
ethnic (folk) music where the listener might need to be comfortable
with a certain tuning, or a specific instrument's cultural heritage,
in order to *understand the art*.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.perboysen.com
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andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Per Boysen wrote:
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>   even if no one understands a piece of art
>> it still is art.
>>
>
> give an example
>

ha ha.. surely almost any piece of Art is not truly understandable... at
least not in a complete transference of meaning from the Artist to the
Viewer.

Without reading up on it, do you understand Andres bricks, De Vinci's Mona
Lisa, Lynches Inland Empire... ?

Art is when the Artist deems it to be thus... that is it! (maybe someone
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Per Boysen wrote:<br>
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=A0even if no one understands a piece of art<br>
it still is art.<br>
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give an example <br>
</blockquote></div><br>ha ha.. surely almost any piece of Art is not truly =
understandable... at
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Viewer.<br>
<br>
Without reading up on it, do you understand Andres bricks, De Vinci&#39;s M=
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>     Per Boysen wrote:
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>          even if no one understands a piece of art
>         it still is art.
 andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk <mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>> wrote:> 
>     give an example

mark francombe wrote:
> ha ha.. surely almost any piece of Art is not truly understandable... at 
> least not in a complete transference of meaning from the Artist to the 
> Viewer.

:-)
yep, just got into Jan Svankmajer.


mark francombe wrote:
> Art is when the Artist deems it to be thus... that is it! 

is it necessary for the artist to understand it?




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:-)

> yep, just got into Jan Svankmajer



Svankmajer is possibly God...
I was into the Brother Quay before I discovered him... if you havenet
already seen it The Street of Crocdiles is one of my favorite bits of
animation ever.. very heavily influenced by Svankmeyer...



mark francombe wrote:

> Art is when the Artist deems it to be thus... that is it!
>

is it necessary for the artist to understand it?
>

Concepts yes... details.. maybe not...

Actually, this is somthing I maybe have to think about.. tis a good point...

Hmmm (adopts thinker pose)

I think that, yes, an Artist should understand their work. But it maybe that
part of the piece itself may be ways of creation that surprises the artist
or that produces work that they may not be fully comprehend-able, but
accepted as the piece due to the methodology behind it.
I think this is often the case... Matisse dropping coloured paper or indeed
Eno, with the tape loop system. An acceptance that "anything can happen" is
still understanding ones work. And creating work without definite meaning is
still producing something with that intent... so I think Artists do always
know what they are doing...

Does Lynch get to the end of Inland Empire and go... "What the fuck was that
all about?"... I doubt it... But he may easily think "Damn... I wonder why I
had Laura Dern coming in from the right instead of the left... oh well..!"



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yep, just got into Jan Svankmajer</blockquote><div class=3D"im"><br><br>Sva=
nkmajer is possibly God...<br>I was into the Brother Quay before I discover=
ed him... if you havenet already seen it The Street of Crocdiles is one of =
my favorite bits of animation ever.. very heavily influenced by Svankmeyer.=
..<br>

<br><br>
<br>
mark francombe wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Art is when the Artist deems it to be thus... that is it! <br>
</blockquote>
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.=
8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
is it necessary for the artist to understand it?<br></blockquote><div><br>C=
oncepts yes... details.. maybe not... <br></div><div><br>Actually, this is =
somthing I maybe have to think about.. tis a good point... <br>Hmmm (adopts=
 thinker pose)<br>

<br>I think that, yes, an Artist should understand their work. But it maybe=
 that part of the piece itself may be ways of creation that surprises the a=
rtist or that produces work that they may not be fully comprehend-able, but=
 accepted as the piece due to the methodology behind it.<br>

I think this is often the case... Matisse dropping coloured paper or indeed=
 Eno, with the tape loop system. An acceptance that &quot;anything can happ=
en&quot; is still understanding ones work. And creating work without defini=
te meaning is still producing something with that intent... so I think Arti=
sts do always know what they are doing... <br>

<br>Does Lynch get to the end of Inland Empire and go... &quot;What the fuc=
k was that all about?&quot;... I doubt it... But he may easily think &quot;=
Damn... I wonder why I had Laura Dern coming in from the right instead of t=
he left... oh well..!&quot;=A0 <br>

</div></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a href=3D"h=
ttp://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"http:/=
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  mark francombe wrote:

    Art is when the Artist deems it to be thus... that is it!

  Agreed, art is intent.

    is it necessary for the artist to understand it?


  Concepts yes... details.. maybe not...

  I think that, yes, an Artist should understand their work. But it
  maybe that part of the piece itself may be ways of creation that
  surprises the artist or that produces work that they may not be fully
  comprehend-able, but accepted as the piece due to the methodology
  behind it.=A0This sort of made sense untill"....they may not be fully
  comprehend-able, but accepted as the piece due to the methodology
  behind it....."This requires some explanation.
  I think this is often the case... Matisse dropping coloured paper or
  indeed Eno, with the tape loop system. An acceptance that "anything
  can happen" is still understanding ones work.=A0Generally the anything
  can happen in time based work is termed aleatoric. Not sure if this
  applies to painting or such.....=A0=A0And creating work without definite
  meaning is still producing something with that intent... so I think
  Artists do always know what they are doing...
  Could you give an example of this? I can't imagine in any way
  producing a work of art without defrinite meaning.... For instance,
  if I wrote a poem without any definite meaning, would it still be a
  poem? Would anyone be able to do this? I suspect that an honest
  attemp to do this would be fruitless, so my judgement of such a work
  would be possible art but completely sterile. Pure serialism in music
  would be an example in my opinion, even though I can still find such
  things as rthym, tempo or even random harmonies in serialism, I still
  find it sterial. I also wonder what the use of such art without
  definite meaning would be. If I wrote a play without any definite
  meaning, what would the audience go away with? Even an attempt to
  force the audience to create their own meaning would probably form a
  very short-lived fad, one reason why we don't see any of the
  wonderful Theater Of The Absurd revivals happenning often......
  Mark Showalter
  Minden Jot!

  myspace.com/folkstone57
  http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV class=3Dim><BR><BR>mark francombe wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt 0=
pt 0pt 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>Art is when the Artist=
 deems it to be thus... that is it! <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote><U><FONT size=3D4>Agreed, art is intent.</FONT></U>
<DIV class=3Dim><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt 0=
pt 0pt 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>is it necessary for th=
e artist to understand it?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>Concepts yes... details.. maybe not... <BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>I think that, yes, an Artist should understand their work. But it =
maybe that part of the piece itself may be ways of creation that surprises =
the artist or that produces work that they may not be fully comprehend-able=
, but accepted as the piece due to the methodology behind it.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><U><FONT size=3D4>This sort of made sense untill</FONT></U> </DIV>
<DIV>"....they may not be fully comprehend-able, but accepted as the piece =
due to the methodology behind it....."</DIV>
<DIV>This requires some explanation.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>I think this is often the case... Matisse dropping coloured paper =
or indeed Eno, with the tape loop system. An acceptance that "anything can =
happen" is still understanding ones work.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><U><FONT size=3D4>Generally the anything can happen in time based work=
 is termed aleatoric. Not sure if this applies to painting or such.....</FO=
NT></U></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;And creating work without definite meaning is still producing so=
mething with that intent... so I think Artists do always know what they are=
 doing... <BR></DIV>
<DIV><U><FONT size=3D4>Could you give an example of this? I can't imagine i=
n any way producing a work of art without defrinite meaning.... For instanc=
e, if I wrote a poem without any definite meaning, would it still be a poem=
? Would anyone be able to do this? I suspect that an honest attemp to do th=
is would be fruitless, so my judgement of such a work would be possible art=
 but completely sterile. Pure serialism in music would be an example in my =
opinion, even though I can still find such things as rthym, tempo or even r=
andom harmonies in serialism, I still find it sterial. I also wonder what t=
he use of such art without definite meaning would be. If I wrote a play wit=
hout any definite meaning, what would the audience go away with? Even an at=
tempt to force the audience to create their own meaning would probably form=
 a very short-lived fad, one reason why we don't see any of the wonderful T=
heater Of The Absurd revivals happenning often......</FONT></U></DIV>
<DIV><U><FONT size=3D4><BR></FONT></U>Mark Showalter<BR>Minden Jot!<BR><BR>=
myspace.com/folkstone57<BR>http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter<BR><A hr=
ef=3D"http://www.mylivesignature.com" target=3D_blank><IMG style=3D"BORDER-=
BOTTOM: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: 0px; BACKGROUND: none transparent scroll repeat 0=
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gnature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA1E10C1043965108.png"></A><BR></DIV></=
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> >=20
> >     Per Boysen wrote:
> >
> >          even if no one understands a piece of art
> >         it still is art.
> andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk <mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>> wrot=
e:>
> >     give an example
>=20
> mark francombe wrote:
> > ha ha.. surely almost any piece of Art is not truly=20
> > understandable... at least not in a complete transference of=20
> > meaning from the Artist to the Viewer.
>=20
This seems to me to be a counsel of despair. Also, what does "truely unders=
tandble" mean in this context? For instance, how long do we get to try to u=
nderstand a work of art before we either get it or don't? I also think this=
 would be like saying:
I have a 2 gallon pitcher & only 3 glasses, so the pitcher will never be em=
pty.
Well, clearly that is not the case. Drink the 3 glasses then refill them! A=
rt functions in the same way, although I'm not even sure if we ever truely =
understand or take our fill, not because we can't do so but because we can =
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> > > Mark S. wrote:
>
> > But my original question was: what is art or a definition of what
> > is or constitutes art.
>
> I'd say: communication coherent to the artist's intention.
No clue what your definittion means.=A0> IMHO, Art is "a value" shared
between the artist and the public
> that just works on a different level of our brain and in a
> subjective way.

OK, but different level from what? Also, why only subjective? Can art not
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al question was: what is art or a definition of what <BR>&gt; &gt; is or co=
nstitutes art. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I'd say: communication coherent to the art=
ist's intention. <BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4><U>No clue what your definittion means.</U></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><U><FONT size=3D4></FONT></U>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; IMHO, Art is "a value" shared between the artist and the public <=
BR>&gt; that just works on a different level of our brain and in a <BR>&gt;=
 subjective way. <BR><BR><FONT size=3D4><U>OK, but different level from wha=
t? Also, why only subjective? Can art not also be viewed objectively?</U></=
FONT></DIV><BR>

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> *Could you give an example of this? I can't imagine in any way producing a
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> *
>
> That statement seems very problematic to me.  What is your idea of DEFINITE
meaning?  I play improvisational music.  I do not know what it will sound
like or where it will go.  I consider my ability to do this an artform but I
would have no idea what the meaning of the sound is.  An expression that we
exist in a world of limitless creative possibilities?  Perhaps.

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 to me.=A0 What is your idea of DEFINITE meaning?=A0 I play improvisational=
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just listened to bill walker, trippy



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> Awesome!  Tim, can you put this one on your server so I can download it?

Sure.  Both of these edited videos (the exact files I uploaded to YouTube)
can now be found in .mp4 format here:

    http://blueparticles.com/particles/y2kx/mp4

They're very large - 600-700 MB.

    ...Tim...


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>just listened to bill walker, trippy</div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Tim Thompson &lt;tjt@nosuch.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Mon, October 25, 2010 7:58:53 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: video recordings from Y2KX<br></font><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">&gt; Awesome! &nbsp;Tim, can you put this one on your server so I can download it?<div><br></div><div>Sure. &nbsp;Both of these edited videos (the exact files I uploaded to YouTube)<br>can now be found in .mp4 format here:</div>
<div><br></div><div><span>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<a target="_blank" href="http://blueparticles.com/particles/y2kx/mp4">http://blueparticles.com/particles/y2kx/mp4</a></span></div><div><br></div><div>They're very large - 600-700 MB.</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;...Tim...</div>
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I concur with Kev here.. it's one of the things I have been thinking =20
about while reading this thread.. but, I think I resolved part of the =20
problem by moving the word 'meaning' from an intellectual context to =20
an emotional one.. and therefore, the meaning of my work is emotional =20
response.. otoh, maybe the meaning (ie. my meaning) of my work is =20
'satisfying an internal need of expression'.. where-as anyone else =20
listening brings their own meaning to it.. and, thus we revolve back =20
to the 'subjective'.. :)

-cpr

Quoting Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>:

>>
>>
>> *Could you give an example of this? I can't imagine in any way producing =
a
>> work of art without defrinite meaning.... For instance, if I wrote a
>> *
>>
>> That statement seems very problematic to me.  What is your idea of DEFINI=
TE
> meaning?  I play improvisational music.  I do not know what it will sound
> like or where it will go.  I consider my ability to do this an artform but=
 I
> would have no idea what the meaning of the sound is.  An expression that w=
e
> exist in a world of limitless creative possibilities?  Perhaps.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>
> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>


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>>
>> Could you give an example of this? I can't imagine in any way producing =
a
>> work of art without defrinite meaning.... For instance, if I wrote a

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando
<billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:

> That statement seems very problematic to me.=C2=A0 What is your idea of D=
EFINITE
> meaning?=C2=A0 I play improvisational music.=C2=A0 I do not know what it =
will sound
> like or where it will go.=C2=A0 I consider my ability to do this an artfo=
rm but I
> would have no idea what the meaning of the sound is.=C2=A0 An expression =
that we
> exist in a world of limitless creative possibilities?=C2=A0 Perhaps.


Yes, I think so. Here's an interesting extreme example: It might even
occur that the art in improvisational music has less to do with what
sounds are actually produced as with the process of the musicians
trying to find "something to say" (i.e. looking for common ground). In
this case *the artist's intention* - to go with that definition of art
- is to put themselves into unknown territory and just deal with that
situation as best as they can. An audience can even enjoy following
this process if the musicians are unsuccessful in finding a common
ground expression (goofing around in confusion until the piece is
over).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub

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Well said, Per.. :)

Quoting Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:

>>>
>>> Could you give an example of this? I can't imagine in any way producing =
a
>>> work of art without defrinite meaning.... For instance, if I wrote a
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando
> <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That statement seems very problematic to me.=C2=A0 What is your idea of D=
EFINITE
>> meaning?=C2=A0 I play improvisational music.=C2=A0 I do not know what it =
will sound
>> like or where it will go.=C2=A0 I consider my ability to do this an artfo=
rm but I
>> would have no idea what the meaning of the sound is.=C2=A0 An expression =
that we
>> exist in a world of limitless creative possibilities?=C2=A0 Perhaps.
>
>
> Yes, I think so. Here's an interesting extreme example: It might even
> occur that the art in improvisational music has less to do with what
> sounds are actually produced as with the process of the musicians
> trying to find "something to say" (i.e. looking for common ground). In
> this case *the artist's intention* - to go with that definition of art
> - is to put themselves into unknown territory and just deal with that
> situation as best as they can. An audience can even enjoy following
> this process if the musicians are unsuccessful in finding a common
> ground expression (goofing around in confusion until the piece is
> over).
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>


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Art is really both a process=2C vehicle and interactive technique for human=
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>=20
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> Kevin
>=20
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> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
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> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos=20


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2010/10/26 Mark Showalter <folkstone57@operamail.com>
> > > Mark S. wrote:
>
> > But my original question was: what is art or a definition of what
> > is or constitutes art.
>
> I'd say: communication coherent to the artist's intention.

> *No clue what your definittion means.*
>

 Sorry, it's rather difficult for me discussing about that in my non native
language, but I'll try again.

Let's start with this: art is a form of "communication" between the artist
and the public, isn't it ?
It should be "coherent" to the artist intention means that the work must
have an intent and that intent is well rapresented.
The first is an idea or a magician or so....catched by the artist and
represented in his piece of art made in studio or even improvised when the
artist must lives deeply the intention to explore and bring people into new
territories while he's making art.
"Coherent" means that the artist must be able to builds new "bridges" to
connect public with that idea or magician.


>  > IMHO, Art is "a value" shared between the artist and the public
> > that just works on a different level of our brain and in a
> > subjective way.
>
> *OK, but different level from what? Also, why only subjective? Can art not
> also be viewed objectively?*
>

- "Dirrent level" respect our normal state of exploring, knowing,
undestanding, liking or disliking things. IMHO, Art talks to each trough
"channels" (if it does making sense for you) that are different from the
usual ones and that could be different from person to person.

- Not "only subjective", but "mostly" subjective: we can feel the same piece
of art 'cos we are connected to that piece of art trough the "same channel".
Or you consider Art something that doesn't say nothing to me, just because
that "channel" doesn't work for me.

Hope it makes sense.

fabio

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; &gt; Mark S. wrote: <br>&gt; <br>&gt; &gt; But my original question was: =
what is art or a definition of what <br>
&gt; &gt; is or constitutes art. <br>&gt; <br>&gt; I&#39;d say: communicati=
on coherent to the artist&#39;s intention. <br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
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<div><font size=3D"4"><u>No clue what your definittion means.</u></font></d=
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<div>=A0</div>
<div>
<div>Sorry, it&#39;s rather difficult for me discussing about that in my no=
n native language, but I&#39;ll try again.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Let&#39;s start with this: art is a form of &quot;communication&quot; =
between the artist and the public, isn&#39;t it=A0?</div>
<div>It should be &quot;coherent&quot; to the artist intention means that t=
he work must have an intent and that intent is well rapresented.</div>
<div>The first=A0is=A0an idea or a=A0magician or so....catched by the artis=
t=A0and represented in his piece of art made=A0in studio or=A0even=A0improv=
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&quot;bridges&quot; to connect public with that idea or magician.</div></di=
v>
<div>=A0</div>
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<div>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; IMHO, Art is &quot;a value&quot; shared between the =
artist and the public <br>&gt; that just works on a different level of our =
brain and in a <br>&gt; subjective way. <br><br></div><font size=3D"4"><u>O=
K, but different level from what? Also, why only subjective? Can art not al=
so be viewed objectively?</u></font></div>
</blockquote>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>- &quot;Dirrent level&quot; respect our normal state of exploring, kno=
wing, undestanding, liking or disliking=A0things. IMHO, Art talks to each t=
rough &quot;channels&quot; (if it does making sense for you) that=A0are=A0d=
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son.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>- Not &quot;only subjective&quot;, but &quot;mostly&quot; subjective: =
we can feel the same piece of art &#39;cos we are connected to that piece o=
f art trough the &quot;same channel&quot;. Or you consider Art something th=
at doesn&#39;t say nothing to me, just because that &quot;channel&quot; doe=
sn&#39;t work for me.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Hope it makes sense. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>fabio</div>
<div>=A0</div></div><br>

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Hi,
Sorry, this message is mainly dedicated to french speakers Logelloop' =
users (http://logelloop.logellou.com)

The logelloop user manual now exists in french, and can be found at : =
http://logelloop.logellou.com/files/
A forum has recently opened for french speakers people at : =
http://groups.google.fr/group/logelloop-utilisateurs-francophones

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--> sounds like a Grateful Dead concert!


Yes, I think so. Here's an interesting extreme example: It might even
occur that the art in improvisational music has less to do with what
sounds are actually produced as with the process of the musicians
trying to find "something to say" (i.e. looking for common ground). In
this case *the artist's intention* - to go with that definition of art
- is to put themselves into unknown territory and just deal with that
situation as best as they can. An audience can even enjoy following
this process if the musicians are unsuccessful in finding a common
ground expression (goofing around in confusion until the piece is
over).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">--&gt; sounds like a Grateful Dead concert!<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Yes, I think so. Here's an interesting extreme example: It might even<br>occur that the art in improvisational music has less to do with what<br>sounds are actually produced as with the process of the musicians<br>trying to find "something to say" (i.e. looking for common ground). In<br>this case *the artist's intention* - to go with that definition of art<br>- is to put themselves into unknown territory and just deal with that<br>situation as best as they can. An audience can even enjoy following<br>this process if the musicians are unsuccessful in finding a common<br>ground expression (goofing
 around in confusion until the piece is<br>over).<br><br>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen<br><a target="_blank" href="http://www.boysen.se"></a><br></div></div>
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>=20
>=20
> would OBJECTIVE ART say the same thing to everyone?

Hello,

I doubt it myself. Even if it was something very simple, each person might =
find it to represent something very different. Even something as simple as =
a cube, for instance, could draw up many different meanings, even though it=
's just a block of wood. One of the marvels of humanity is it seems we are =
always searching for meaning in our experiences.



Mark Showalter
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  ----- Original Message -----
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  Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:39:51 -0700 (PDT)

  --> sounds like a Grateful Dead concert!

  Yes, I think so. Here's an interesting extreme example: It might even
  occur that the art in improvisational music has less to do with what
  sounds are actually produced as with the process of the musicians
  trying to find "something to say" (i.e. looking for common ground).
  In
  this case *the artist's intention* - to go with that definition of
  art
  - is to put themselves into unknown territory and just deal with that
  situation as best as they can. An audience can even enjoy following
  this process if the musicians are unsuccessful in finding a common
  ground expression (goofing around in confusion until the piece is
  over).

  Hello Per,

  =A0 I pretty much agree with your take on improvisation, although I
  think it would matter what sounds are produced. Trying to improvise
  while beating a dead horse ( both literally & figuratively ) would
  not be pleasant to me although my Hungarian ancestors might enjoy it.
  I also would point out the live improv is a rather limiting & limited
  form in art, especially in music. It might be easily attempted in a
  duo or even up to a quartet, for instance, but I think that asking a
  symphony orchestra to do a live improv would not elicit any fresh
  exciting music. Whereas, any composer writing for a symphony is
  constantly improvising & can then have a live orchestra play his
  score. I'm pointing this out to show the differences in how improv
  might or might not work depending on the situation.
  Greetings from Sweden

  Per Boysen





Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

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http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter[IMAGE]

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g-left:5px;">----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: E Gross <slapbandjam @yahoo.com=3D""><BR>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"<BR>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:39:51 -0700 (PDT)<BR>
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<STYLE type=3D"text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></STYLE><DIV style=3D"fo=
nt-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">--&gt; sound=
s like a Grateful Dead concert!<BR><BR><DIV style=3D"font-family: times new=
 roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><DIV style=3D"font-family: a=
rial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Yes, I think so. Here's an int=
eresting extreme example: It might even<BR>occur that the art in improvisat=
ional music has less to do with what<BR>sounds are actually produced as wit=
h the process of the musicians<BR>trying to find "something to say" (i.e. l=
ooking for common ground). In<BR>this case *the artist's intention* - to go=
 with that definition of art<BR>- is to put themselves into unknown territo=
ry and just deal with that<BR>situation as best as they can. An audience ca=
n even enjoy following<BR>this process if the musicians are unsuccessful in=
 finding a common<BR>ground expression (goofing
 around in confusion until the piece is<BR>over).<BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"fo=
nt-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><BR></DIV><DIV sty=
le=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Hello Per,=
<BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:=
 10pt;"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 10pt;">=A0 I pretty much agree with your take on improvisation, al=
though I think it would matter what sounds are produced. Trying to improvis=
e while beating a dead horse ( both literally &amp; figuratively ) would no=
t be pleasant to me although my Hungarian ancestors might enjoy it. I also =
would point out the live improv is a rather limiting &amp; limited form in =
art, especially in music. It might be easily attempted in a duo or even up =
to a quartet, for instance, but I think that asking a symphony orchestra to=
 do a live improv would not elicit any fresh exciting music. Whereas, any c=
omposer writing for a symphony is constantly improvising &amp; can then hav=
e a live orchestra play his score. I'm pointing this out to show the differ=
ences in how improv might or might not work depending on the situation.</DI=
V><DIV style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">=
<BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:=
 10pt;">Greetings from Sweden<BR><BR>Per Boysen<BR><BR></DIV></DIV>
</DIV><BR>

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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: John Cecil Price
  To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
  Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
  Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
  Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:36:21 -0400

  Art is really both a process, vehicle and interactive technique for
  human storytelling.
  Yes, but then there is a difference between programmatic music &
  absolute music, with the latter having no story involved.=C2=A0

  It's all that simple and also much more complex at any given moment.
  And the nature of any art is more or less depending upon the
  storyteller, the story and the audience.
  I would only substitute artist for storyteller & art form or piece
  for story, but I certainly agree here. You've have also presented a
  very nice example of how art functions.=C2=A0
  Whereas the emphasis of any value or meaning in art is assigned in an
  infinite number of ways or to specific and maybe even shifting
  places/phases to almost any aspect of a human telling/sharing their
  human stories.
  Completely agree.
  Sent from my iPhone,
  John Cecil Price2154856128 phn/txt

  On Oct 26, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>
  wrote:


        Could you give an example of this? I can't imagine in any
        way producing a work of art without defrinite meaning....
        For instance, if I wrote a

    That statement seems very problematic to me.=C2=A0 What is your idea
    of DEFINITE meaning?=C2=A0
    Simply that art must have some meaning to give it a direction or
    interpretation, at least for the artist to have some grasp of
    what to produce. As I pointed out in an earlier reply, serialism
    in music is considered by many to still be art, but I would
    consider it sterile art. What's the point other than to follow
    the rules =C2=A0& go through the steps required to create a work of
    serial music? When I wrote a song with lyrics, I certainly had a
    very definite meaning, a theme I was writing about. Even when I
    work on my Space or electronic=C2=A0 music I still have a definite
    meaning going on, even if it's just an emotion one that I am
    expressing.
    I play improvisational music.=C2=A0 I do not know what it will sound
    like or where it will go.
    Having a lack of direction doesn't mean there is no meaning,
    you're still expressing something as an artist.

    =C2=A0 I consider my ability to do this an artform but I would have
    no idea what the meaning of the sound is.=C2=A0 An expression that we
    exist in a world of limitless creative possibilities?=C2=A0
    Sure, & using music to express that is in my opinion a perfectly
    legitimate meaning in your music.
    Just try for a minute or two to come up with a musical idea that
    expresses nothing. Is devoid of meaning. Is sterile. I have in my
    musical life tried to do this & never succeed. I have written
    serial music during my study of music in college that I found
    completely lacking in any form of expression, but then I was also
    just following the rules of serial composing. Onje could say that
    there was definite meaning there i.e. following the rules. But
    that to me would be like getting a book called "Following The
    Rules To Fall In Love"... i.e. Fromme's "The Art Of Love", which
    I found completely lacking in any feeling of what love is.

    Perhaps.

    Kevin
    =C2=A0

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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"border-left:solid #1010ff 2px; margin-left:5px; paddin=
g-left:5px;">----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: John Cecil Price <johncecilprice @hotmail.com=3D""><BR>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight @loopers-delight=
.com=3D""><BR>
Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight @loopers-delight=
.com=3D""><BR>
Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"<BR>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:36:21 -0400<BR>
<BR>

<DIV><DIV>Art is really both a process, vehicle and interactive technique f=
or human storytelling. </DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Yes, but then there is a d=
ifference between programmatic music &amp; absolute music, with the latter =
having no story involved.=C2=A0</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>It'=
s all that simple and also much more complex at any given moment. And the n=
ature of any art is more or less depending upon the storyteller, the story =
and the audience. </DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>I would only substitute artist =
for storyteller &amp; art form or piece for story, but I certainly agree he=
re. You've have also presented a very nice example of how art functions.=C2=
=A0</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Whereas the emphasis of any value or meaning i=
n art is assigned in an infinite number of ways or to specific and maybe ev=
en shifting places/phases to almost any aspect of a human telling/sharing t=
heir human stories.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Completely agree.</DIV><DIV><B=
R></DIV><DIV><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"-webkit-tap-highligh=
t-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(1=
75, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180=
, 0.230469); ">Sent from my iPhone,</SPAN><BR></DIV><DIV><DIV>John Cecil Pr=
ice</DIV><DIV>2154856128 phn/txt</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV></DIV><DIV><BR>On Oct =
26, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:billowhead@=
gmail.com">billowhead@gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:<BR><BR></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE typ=
e=3D"cite"><DIV><DIV class=3D"gmail_quote"><BLOCKQUOTE class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, =
204); padding-left: 1ex;"><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"border-left: 2px solid =
rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">
<DIV class=3D"gmail_quote"><BR><DIV><U><FONT size=3D"4">Could you give an e=
xample of this? I can't imagine in any way producing a work of art without =
defrinite meaning.... For instance, if I wrote a <BR></FONT></U></DIV></DIV>
</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>That statement seems very problematic=
 to me.=C2=A0 What is your idea of DEFINITE meaning?=C2=A0</DIV><DIV><BR></=
DIV><DIV>Simply that art must have some meaning to give it a direction or i=
nterpretation, at least for the artist to have some grasp of what to produc=
e. As I pointed out in an earlier reply, serialism in music is considered b=
y many to still be art, but I would consider it sterile art. What's the poi=
nt other than to follow the rules =C2=A0&amp; go through the steps required=
 to create a work of serial music? When I wrote a song with lyrics, I certa=
inly had a very definite meaning, a theme I was writing about. Even when I =
work on my Space or electronic=C2=A0 music I still have a definite meaning =
going on, even if it's just an emotion one that I am expressing.</DIV><DIV>=
<BR></DIV><DIV>I play improvisational music.=C2=A0 I do not know what it wi=
ll sound like or where it will go.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Having a lack o=
f direction doesn't mean there is no meaning, you're still expressing somet=
hing as an artist.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>=C2=A0 I conside=
r my ability to do this an artform but I would have no idea what the meanin=
g of the sound is.=C2=A0 An expression that we exist in a world of limitles=
s creative possibilities?=C2=A0 </DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Sure, &amp; using=
 music to express that is in my opinion a perfectly legitimate meaning in y=
our music.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Just try for a minute or two to come up=
 with a musical idea that expresses nothing. Is devoid of meaning. Is steri=
le. I have in my musical life tried to do this &amp; never succeed. I have =
written serial music during my study of music in college that I found compl=
etely lacking in any form of expression, but then I was also just following=
 the rules of serial composing. Onje could say that there was definite mean=
ing there i.e. following the rules. But that to me would be like getting a =
book called "Following The Rules To Fall In Love"... i.e. Fromme's "The Art=
 Of Love", which I found completely lacking in any feeling of what love is.=
</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Perhaps.<BR>
<BR>Kevin<BR>=C2=A0</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>

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> Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:48:20 -0500
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>=20
> I concur with Kev here.. it's one of the things I have been=20
> thinking  about while reading this thread.. but, I think I resolved=20
> part of the  problem by moving the word 'meaning' from an=20
> intellectual context to  an emotional one.. and therefore, the=20
> meaning of my work is emotional  response..=20

That certainly works for me.

otoh, maybe the meaning=20
> (ie. my meaning) of my work is  'satisfying an internal need of=20
> expression'.. where-as anyone else  listening brings their own=20
> meaning to it.. and, thus we revolve back  to the 'subjective'.. :)
>=20

I don't think we revolve back to the subjective, I think it's there the ent=
ire time. An artist or even a member of the audience can step back to being=
 objective, but I think the subjective experience is still always present.

> -cpr
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Hello, just got all the vids from my set at Y2KX up on my youtube channel. =
=A0The video and audio are just from the little camera I set up. =A0What a =
fun fest!! -btw-been enjoying listening to all the great music I missed tha=
t's on Matthias's live looping channel-thanks for all the great music every=
one- =A0
here's my Y2KX vid playlist on youtube-hope you enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3DB83093349FFA23BA




=0AOn Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
=0Ayouhou, thats a nice one!its the first in the new Playlist Y2k-X at http=
://youtube.com/livelooping !any others to add, please?=0A
On 21 Oct 2010, at 04:17, Fabio_A wrote:
Here's a video from the first part of my set at the Y2KX main festival I've=
 just posted on FB.=0A=0AAudio recording is not perfect, but it gives a rou=
gh idea about what was going on.
=0ADeep thanks to Mark Courtney Fracombe for shooting the entire act with h=
is IPhone and for adding the "manual rotation" effect which 's a perfect co=
mplement to the music and the visuals projected at my back.=0A=0A=0A=A0=0Ah=
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkG3ThxTaK1Q=0A=A0=0AFabio=0A



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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Hello, just got all the vids from my set at Y=
2KX up on my youtube channel. &nbsp;The video and audio are just from the l=
ittle camera I set up. &nbsp;What a fun fest!! -btw-been enjoying listening=
 to all the great music I missed that's on Matthias's live looping channel-=
thanks for all the great music everyone- &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>here's m=
y Y2KX vid playlist on youtube-hope you enjoy:</div><div><br></div><div>htt=
p://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3DB83093349FFA23BA</div><div><br></div=
><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16=
, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div id=3D"yiv586380109">=
<br></div><div id=3D"yiv586380109"><br><div class=3D"yiv586380109gmail_quot=
e">=0AOn Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Matthias Grob <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:matilists@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dmatilists@gmail.com">matilists@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"yiv586380109gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-le=
ft:1ex;">=0A<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">youhou, thats a nice one!<=
div>its the first in the new Playlist Y2k-X at <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://youtube.com/livelooping">http://youtube.com/live=
looping</a> !</div><div>any others to add, please?</div>=0A<div><div></div>=
<div class=3D"yiv586380109h5"><div><br><div><div>On 21 Oct 2010, at 04:17, =
Fabio_A wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Here's a video from =
the first part of my set at the Y2KX main festival I've just posted on FB.<=
/div>=0A=0A<div>Audio recording is not perfect, but it gives a rough idea a=
bout what was going on.<br></div>=0A<div>Deep thanks to Mark Courtney Fraco=
mbe for shooting the entire act with his IPhone and for adding the "manual =
rotation" effect which 's a perfect complement to the music and the visuals=
 projected at my back.</div>=0A=0A=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><a rel=3D"nof=
ollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkG3ThxTaK=
1Q">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkG3ThxTaK1Q</a></div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</d=
iv>=0A<div>Fabio</div>=0A</blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></b=
lockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>From Brooklyn To Glindran,=
 a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6rn.&nbsp; P=
roceeds<br>from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.&nbsp; =
<a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.ba=
ndcamp.com">jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com</a>.<br>=0A<br><a rel=3D"nofol=
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I think I forgot to post the video of me at YK2-X, thanks for Jeff Duke for
filming it... It wasnt completely without hitches, but... it was loud.. so
thats always nice!! ha ha....

http://vimeo.com/16137557



-- 
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 filming it... It wasnt completely without hitches, but... it was loud.. so=
 thats always nice!! ha ha....<br><br><a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/16137557"=
>http://vimeo.com/16137557</a><br>

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rkfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.ordoabk=
hao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markfrancombe<br><a href=3D"htt=
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Mark and everyone I have video of you all as well as many others.  I'm goin=
g
to be building several segments budded together as small films about the
fest and will be posting.  I will get everyone their raw footage if they
want it.  I think I have everything cataloged but have yet to begin editing
together.  Will keep posted.  Miss everyone who was there this year, it was
such a great and inspiring gathering.

Jim

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:29 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>wro=
te:

> I think I forgot to post the video of me at YK2-X, thanks for Jeff Duke f=
or
> filming it... It wasnt completely without hitches, but... it was loud.. s=
o
> thats always nice!! ha ha....
>
> http://vimeo.com/16137557
>
>
>
> --
> mark francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
>



--=20
>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &
Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
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Mark and everyone I have video of you all as well as many others.=A0 I&#39;=
m going to be building several segments budded together as small films abou=
t the fest and will be posting.=A0 I will get everyone their raw footage if=
 they want it.=A0 I think I have everything cataloged but have yet to begin=
 editing together.=A0 Will keep posted.=A0 Miss everyone who was there this=
 year, it was such a great and inspiring gathering.<br>
<br>Jim<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:29 AM, =
mark francombe <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.c=
om">mark@markfrancombe.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(2=
04, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I think I forgot to post the video of me at YK2-X, thanks for Jeff Duke for=
 filming it... It wasnt completely without hitches, but... it was loud.. so=
 thats always nice!! ha ha....<br><br><a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/16137557"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/16137557</a><br>
<font color=3D"#888888">

<br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a href=3D"http://www.ma=
rkfrancombe.com" target=3D"_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"=
http://www.ordoabkhao.com" target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twit=
ter @markfrancombe<br>
<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/=
user825094</a><br>

<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no" target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no</a><b=
r>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>From Brooklyn To=
 Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6r=
n.=A0 Proceeds<br>from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=
=A0 <a href=3D"http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com">jimgoodinpeterthorn=
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Yours was one of my favorite sets Mark! There was a sense of imminent
danger! Intense! The video you made worked very well with it also.
The only thing is that I forgot to get the blacklight you were going to give
me! I am hunting one for my pedalboard :)

peace,
j


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> I think I forgot to post the video of me at YK2-X, thanks for Jeff Duke for
> filming it... It wasnt completely without hitches, but... it was loud.. so
> thats always nice!! ha ha....
>
> http://vimeo.com/16137557
>
>
>
> --
> mark francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
>

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Yours was one of my favorite sets Mark! There was a sense of imminent dange=
r! Intense! The video you made worked very well with it also. <br>The only =
thing is that I forgot to get the blacklight you were going to give me! I a=
m hunting one for my pedalboard :)<br>
<br>peace,<br>j<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 =
at 4:29 AM, mark francombe <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@mar=
kfrancombe.com">mark@markfrancombe.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px=
 solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I think I forgot to post the video of me at YK2-X, thanks for Jeff Duke for=
 filming it... It wasnt completely without hitches, but... it was loud.. so=
 thats always nice!! ha ha....<br><br><a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/16137557"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/16137557</a><br>
<font color=3D"#888888">

<br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a href=3D"http://www.ma=
rkfrancombe.com" target=3D"_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"=
http://www.ordoabkhao.com" target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twit=
ter @markfrancombe<br>
<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/=
user825094</a><br>

<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no" target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no</a><b=
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2010/10/27 Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com>

> Yours was one of my favorite sets Mark! There was a sense of imminent
> danger! Intense!


 - I must agree ! A really powerful set driving straight to the unknow...

fabio

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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Yours was one of my favorite set=
s Mark! There was a sense of imminent danger! Intense! </blockquote>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0- I must agree !=A0A really powerful set driving straight to the un=
know...</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>fabio</div></div>

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Well...Having no story is indeed a huge story in and of itself...but there =
is always a story present even when you think or want to escape from being =
tied to one. You're inevitably creating or deconstructing/sampling or recon=
structing=2C re-writing &/or reacting to one story or another.=20

& I do think what is really a more interesting question here would be just =
why do we human's even need to tell stories-make music/art=2C etc.=2C in th=
e 1st place?

Is it to teach=2C to inspire or imagine more than what there actually is be=
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Is it for amusement? Or is it because we find ourselves lonely and need to =
know our feelings are not unique but common?=20

Or is there a genetic trigger drawing us all to storytelling-songs=2C etc?

I just personally think I'm predisposed to the "compulsive musician gene" t=
hat is compelling me toward seeing songs/stories and musical performances a=
s being my children and playing with other musicians as co-parenting partne=
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& maybe I'm just vain too.

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Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
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Sometimes we just need to howl at the moon.

On Oct 27, 2010, at 7:20 AM, John Cecil Price wrote:

> Well...Having no story is indeed a huge story in and of itself...but  
> there is always a story present even when you think or want to  
> escape from being tied to one. You're inevitably creating or  
> deconstructing/sampling or reconstructing, re-writing &/or reacting  
> to one story or another.
>
> & I do think what is really a more interesting question here would  
> be just why do we human's even need to tell stories-make music/art,  
> etc., in the 1st place?
>
> Is it to teach, to inspire or imagine more than what there actually  
> is beyond all of us?
>
> Is it for amusement? Or is it because we find ourselves lonely and  
> need to know our feelings are not unique but common?
>
> Or is there a genetic trigger drawing us all to storytelling-songs,  
> etc?
>
> I just personally think I'm predisposed to the "compulsive musician  
> gene" that is compelling me toward seeing songs/stories and musical  
> performances as being my children and playing with other musicians  
> as co-parenting partners providing both pre & post natal care of our  
> children.
>
> & maybe I'm just vain too.

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On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:20 PM, John Cecil Price
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> a more interesting question here would be just why do we human's even need
> to tell stories-make music/art, etc., in the 1st place?
///////
> Or is there a genetic trigger drawing us all to storytelling-songs, etc?


I thinks so. That idea came to me from a radio documentary where they
compared a typical five year old children with a typical chimpanzee.
They are of equal intellectual capacity but the huge difference is in
sharing stories. The five year child is constantly telling stories -
about anything and to whomever want (or doesn't) to listen - but the
chimp just sits silent until a need of any kind arises.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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great Jim I would LOVE my stuff...

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gm

> mark francombe
>> www.markfrancombe.com
>> www.ordoabkhao.com
>> twitter @markfrancombe
>> http://vimeo.com/user825094
>> http://www.looop.no
>>
>
>
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great Jim I would LOVE my stuff...<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed=
, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jim Goodin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;jimgoodinmusic@=
gm</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt=
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-le=
ft: 1ex;"><font color=3D"#888888">mark francombe<br><a href=3D"http://www.m=
arkfrancombe.com" target=3D"_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br>

<a href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com" target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com<=
/a><br>twitter @markfrancombe<br>
<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/=
user825094</a><br>

<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no" target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no</a><b=
r>
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On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have video of you all

I'd love to have my set on video - but only IF I can get hold a decent
stereo audio recording. Eric said he was going to tap the mixer of my
set, but I have not heard from him yet so it might be that he didn't
manage to set up the recording in time up for my gig. With no audio I
wouldn't want to bother your, Jim, but I'm still awaiting word on
that.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub

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Mark sure.  I hope to begin wading through what I shot maybe this evening.
I can probably dropbox it to you next few days.  Have a question about one
of your sites will email you off list.

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:24 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>wr=
ote:

> great Jim I would LOVE my stuff...
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gm
>
> mark francombe
>>> www.markfrancombe.com
>>> www.ordoabkhao.com
>>> twitter @markfrancombe
>>> http://vimeo.com/user825094
>>> http://www.looop.no
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>


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Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
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jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
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Mark sure.=A0 I hope to begin wading through what I shot maybe this evening=
.=A0 I can probably dropbox it to you next few days.=A0 Have a question abo=
ut one of your sites will email you off list.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:24 AM, mark francombe <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com">mark@markfrancombe.com</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=
.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
great Jim I would LOVE my stuff...<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed=
, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jim Goodin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;jimgoodinmusic@=
gm</span><div class=3D"im"><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); paddin=
g-left: 1ex;">


<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-le=
ft: 1ex;"><font color=3D"#888888">mark francombe<br><a href=3D"http://www.m=
arkfrancombe.com" target=3D"_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br>


<a href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com" target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com<=
/a><br>twitter @markfrancombe<br>
<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/=
user825094</a><br>

<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no" target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no</a><b=
r>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br><br>
</blockquote></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>From Brooklyn To Glindr=
an, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 P=
roceeds<br>from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com">jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandca=
mp.com</a>.<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br=
><a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</=
a><br><a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com">woodandwiremusic.wo=
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Per my camcorder is not board q/c but it's not bad for YouTube and other we=
b
so I'm happy to get it to you.  I was juggling camera sources between my
Samsung corder, video capture on my still cam a few times and when all was
tapped my blackberry video cam which is not horrible for what it is.  In
just about everyone's case I got camcorder footage which is SD 640/480 and
said sounds decent.  Once I know which file is who I can db it to you if yo=
u
want.

Also Bob [Amstadt] was shooting from @12:30 or 1 on Saturday through variou=
s
times possibly all on Sunday.  I don't know how late he stayed each night.
He was streaming out to uStream on the Loopers channel. Here is the link.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/y2kxloopfest  His video archive has several o=
f
the sets I'm not sure how many.  I know he did get our set [Chinapainting].
I suspect he can give whoever is interested the login so they can dl their
footage.  Last year I had it.  I'll relay if I get it.

Jim

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I have video of you all
>
> I'd love to have my set on video - but only IF I can get hold a decent
> stereo audio recording. Eric said he was going to tap the mixer of my
> set, but I have not heard from him yet so it might be that he didn't
> manage to set up the recording in time up for my gig. With no audio I
> wouldn't want to bother your, Jim, but I'm still awaiting word on
> that.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>


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Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com

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Per my camcorder is not board q/c but it&#39;s not bad for YouTube and othe=
r web so I&#39;m happy to get it to you.=A0 I was juggling camera sources b=
etween my Samsung corder, video capture on my still cam a few times and whe=
n all was tapped my blackberry video cam which is not horrible for what it =
is.=A0 In just about everyone&#39;s case I got camcorder footage which is S=
D 640/480 and said sounds decent.=A0 Once I know which file is who I can db=
 it to you if you want.<br>
<br>Also Bob [Amstadt] was shooting from @12:30 or 1 on Saturday through va=
rious times possibly all on Sunday.=A0 I don&#39;t know how late he stayed =
each night.=A0 He was streaming out to uStream on the Loopers channel. Here=
 is the link.=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.ustream.tv/channel/y2kxloopfest">htt=
p://www.ustream.tv/channel/y2kxloopfest</a>=A0 His video archive has severa=
l of the sets I&#39;m not sure how many.=A0 I know he did get our set [Chin=
apainting].=A0 I suspect he can give whoever is interested the login so the=
y can dl their footage.=A0 Last year I had it.=A0 I&#39;ll relay if I get i=
t.<br>
<br>Jim<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:35 AM,=
 Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">pe=
rboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, =
204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jim Goodin &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com">jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br>
&gt; I have video of you all<br>
<br>
</div>I&#39;d love to have my set on video - but only IF I can get hold a d=
ecent<br>
stereo audio recording. Eric said he was going to tap the mixer of my<br>
set, but I have not heard from him yet so it might be that he didn&#39;t<br=
>
manage to set up the recording in time up for my gig. With no audio I<br>
wouldn&#39;t want to bother your, Jim, but I&#39;m still awaiting word on<b=
r>
that.<br>
<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.looproom.com" target=3D"_blank">www.looproom.com</a> =
internet music hub<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>From Brooklyn To=
 Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6r=
n.=A0 Proceeds<br>from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=
=A0 <a href=3D"http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com">jimgoodinpeterthorn=
.bandcamp.com</a>.<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br=
><a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</=
a><br><a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com">woodandwiremusic.wo=
rdpress.com</a><br>


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> Anyone going to Moogfest in Asheville this weekend? I will be there for
> unrelated reasons and completely forgot that it was happening until
> today. I'm trying to decide whether to sink $150 for two people, general
> admission..ouch.
>
>
> --
>
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<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
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rgot that it was happening until today.=A0I&#39;m trying to decide whether =
to sink $150 for two people, general admission..ouch.<br>
<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br></blockquote></div>
<div>Clint E. Allen<br>* Technology Consultant<br>* Sound Engineering</div>
<div>*=A0Musician</div><br>

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someone said:
But my original question was: "what is art or a definition of what is
or constitutes art"

i'm very late to this, and haven't read all the posts, but saw this,
so i will chime in:

there is no ONE definition of "art" or "Art".
art is basically a western european term, that has been in our lexicon
for about 500 yrs or so (think Renaissance).
sure you can look up in the dictionary or wiki or encyclopedia for a
definition, but the way w/ modern art (anytime from late 1790s to
1850s for start-lots of debate)
is that whatever definition is made for art, a new group of artists
goes against this and challenges conventions (this can be applied to
anything from impressionists
through dadaists to conceptual art, etc)...

s---
www.myspace.com/scotthansen

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<pre><font size=3D"2">someone said:<br>But my original question was: &quot;=
what is art or a definition of what is or constitutes art&quot;<br><br>i&#3=
9;m very late to this, and haven&#39;t read all the posts, but saw this, so=
 i will chime in:<br>
<br>there is no ONE definition of &quot;art&quot; or &quot;Art&quot;.<br>ar=
t is basically a western european ter</font>m, that has been in our lexicon=
 for about 500 yrs or so (think Renaissance).<br>sure you can look up in th=
e dictionary or wiki or encyclopedia for a definition, but the way w/ moder=
n art (anytime from late 1790s to 1850s for start-lots of debate)<br>
is that whatever definition is made for art, a new group of artists goes ag=
ainst this and challenges conventions (this can be applied to anything from=
 impressionists<br>through dadaists to conceptual art, etc)...<br><br>s---<=
br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/scotthansen">www.myspace.com/scotthansen<=
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In addition to our community I'm also a member of
ImprovFriday<http://improvfriday.ning.com>on the Ning network that
some of you are members and some have heard of.  I
run a blog publishing two to three times a month that's news and reviews
about the goings on at ImprovFriday.

Timely to the recent Y2KX I included in the posting I did earlier today,
some thoughts on the Y2KX experience and some pictures from it of those of
us who are in both communities.  Hence this might be of some interest or if
you're curious about ImprovFriday then have a look.

My link is http://whatsnewatimprovfriday.wordpress.com

Best

Jim


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>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &
Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
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jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

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In addition to our community I&#39;m also a member of <a href=3D"http://imp=
rovfriday.ning.com">ImprovFriday</a> on the Ning network that some of you a=
re members and some have heard of.=A0 I run a blog publishing two to three =
times a month that&#39;s news and reviews about the goings on at ImprovFrid=
ay.<br>
<br>Timely to the recent Y2KX I included in the posting I did earlier today=
, some thoughts on the Y2KX experience and some pictures from it of those o=
f us who are in both communities.=A0 Hence this might be of some interest o=
r if you&#39;re curious about ImprovFriday then have a look.<br>
<br>My link is <a href=3D"http://whatsnewatimprovfriday.wordpress.com">http=
://whatsnewatimprovfriday.wordpress.com</a><br><br>Best<br><br>Jim<br><br c=
lear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz re=
cording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds<br>
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 <a href=3D"htt=
p://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com">jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com</a>.=
<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a=
><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a=
><br><a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com">woodandwiremusic.wor=
dpress.com</a><br>

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Clint,

I will be at Moogfest and will present a theremin performance/seminar  
on Saturday at 3pm.

Before you book rooms, you may want to check to be sure that there are  
still tickets available for Moogfest -- I heard from one source that  
they may be sold-out.

-- Kevin

Quoting Clint Allen <clint.allen@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Anyone going to Moogfest in Asheville this weekend? I will be there for
>> unrelated reasons and completely forgot that it was happening until
>> today. I'm trying to decide whether to sink $150 for two people, general
>> admission..ouch.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
> Clint E. Allen
> * Technology Consultant
> * Sound Engineering
> * Musician
>



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Nice! Thanks Kevin... We already have a cottage in the hills for an
unrelated reason, but hopefully if tickets are still around we can grab a
few. Would love to see/hear the Theramin performance/seminar!

Clint

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:12 PM, <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com> wrote:

> Clint,
>
> I will be at Moogfest and will present a theremin performance/seminar on
> Saturday at 3pm.
>
> Before you book rooms, you may want to check to be sure that there are
> still tickets available for Moogfest -- I heard from one source that they
> may be sold-out.
>
> -- Kevin
>
>
> Quoting Clint Allen <clint.allen@gmail.com>:
>
>>
>>> Anyone going to Moogfest in Asheville this weekend? I will be there for
>>> unrelated reasons and completely forgot that it was happening until
>>> today. I'm trying to decide whether to sink $150 for two people, general
>>> admission..ouch.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Clint E. Allen
>> * Technology Consultant
>> * Sound Engineering
>> * Musician
>>
>>
>
>
>


-- 
Clint E. Allen
* Technology Consultant
* Sound Engineering
* Musician

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<div>Nice! Thanks Kevin... We already have a cottage in the hills for an un=
related reason, but hopefully if tickets are still around we can grab a few=
. Would love to see/hear the Theramin performance/seminar!</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Clint<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:12 PM, <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com">kkissinger@kevinkis=
singer.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Clint,<br><br>I will be at Moogf=
est and will present a theremin performance/seminar on Saturday at 3pm.<br>
<br>Before you book rooms, you may want to check to be sure that there are =
still tickets available for Moogfest -- I heard from one source that they m=
ay be sold-out.<br><br>-- Kevin=20
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<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br>Quoting Clint Allen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:clint.a=
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tely forgot that it was happening until<br>
today. I&#39;m trying to decide whether to sink $150 for two people, genera=
l<br>admission..ouch.<br><br><br>--<br><br></blockquote>Clint E. Allen<br>*=
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uote>
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>
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Wow.. thanks Fabio, thats quite an honour coming from you. I felt that the
central part of my set failed totally, but weirdly when I watch the video it
reminds me of some weird old lo fi electronica like.. oh .. I dont know ..
Zoviet France or something... (if you dont know this then check it out...)

so Im pretty happy...

as for danger... I think thats one of the things that appeals to me about
improv, and I think Per summed it up well, that was... "I had something
planned, but when the time came I just played freely" this freedom is what I
strive for in music, and when presented with a crossroads of possiblilities
musically, I tend to try the rockier path.. as in likely to fail, path. And
I often do... Although my set doesnt demonstrate it, Im actually a pretty OK
guitarist, but I really try hard to never play repetitively, I rather let
the loopers do that, so they are like my rope and crampons, and I am free to
swing about like a naked crazy man... but as this analogy is not going
anywhere sensible, Ill close now...

mcf

mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

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>
>
> 2010/10/27 Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com>
>
> Yours was one of my favorite sets Mark! There was a sense of imminent
>> danger! Intense!
>
>
>  - I must agree ! A really powerful set driving straight to the unknow...
>
> fabio
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Wow.. thanks Fabio, thats quite an honour coming from you. I felt that the =
central part of my set failed totally, but weirdly when I watch the video i=
t reminds me of some weird old lo fi electronica like.. oh .. I dont know .=
. Zoviet France or something... (if you dont know this then check it out...=
)<br>

<br>so Im pretty happy...<br><br>as for danger... I think thats one of the =
things that appeals to me about improv, and I think Per summed it up well, =
that was... &quot;I had something planned, but when the time came I just pl=
ayed freely&quot; this freedom is what I strive for in music, and when pres=
ented with a crossroads of possiblilities musically, I tend to try the rock=
ier path.. as in likely to fail, path. And I often do... Although my set do=
esnt demonstrate it, Im actually a pretty OK guitarist, but I really try ha=
rd to never play repetitively, I rather let the loopers do that, so they ar=
e like my rope and crampons, and I am free to swing about like a naked craz=
y man... but as this analogy is not going anywhere sensible, Ill close now.=
..<br>

<br>mcf<br><br>mark francombe<br><a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com">w=
ww.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoa=
bkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markfrancombe<br><a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user=
825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br>

<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no</a><br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Fabio_A <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eterogenus@gmail.com">eterogenus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>

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&gt;</span><div class=3D"im"><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left: 1ex; margin: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);">Yours was one of =
my favorite sets Mark! There was a sense of imminent danger! Intense! </blo=
ckquote>


<div>=A0</div>
</div><div>=A0- I must agree !=A0A really powerful set driving straight to =
the unknow...</div>
<div>=A0</div><font color=3D"#888888">
<div>fabio</div></font></div>
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Maybe not sensible, but I'd bet pretty accurate :-)

Kevin
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Before I put this up on EBay I'd like to offer it this esteemed group. I
purchased it a year and a half ago to supplement my live playing and studio
and never used it live and used my laptop in the studio so I'm letting it go
for respectable offer.

Please let me know off list if you're interested.

Thanks!

~Peace~

Plish



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Hello,
My question was not what is the latest trend or popular idea of art, but
what is art, the thing itself. As far as if there is ONE definition, I
think that if there isn't, we're back to just a councel of despair & why
try, which was not the purpose of my question. Also, I think as artists
it is incumbent of us as artists to have some idea of what it is we are
doing & have some i9dea of what it's called. Clearly we are musicians of
some sort or other, but we are creating art, just as Baqch did, &
Shakespeare, & they guy who created the cave paintings of animals 20,000
years ago. Art may have trends, but art isn't a trend.=A0

someone said:
But my original question was: "what is art or a definition of what is or co=
nstitutes art"

i'm very late to this, and haven't read all the posts, but saw this, so i w=
ill chime in:

there is no ONE definition of "art" or "Art".
art is basically a western european term, that has been in our lexicon for =
about 500 yrs or so (think Renaissance).
sure you can look up in the dictionary or wiki or encyclopedia for a defini=
tion, but the way w/ modern art (anytime from late 1790s to 1850s for start=
-lots of debate)
is that whatever definition is made for art, a new group of artists goes ag=
ainst this and challenges conventions (this can be applied to anything from=
 impressionists
through dadaists to conceptual art, etc)...

s---
www.myspace.com/scotthansen




Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

myspace.com/folkstone57
http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter[IMAGE]

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<DIV>
<BR>
<evanpeewee @gmail.com=3D"">Hello,</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>My question was=
 not what is the latest trend or popular idea of art, but what is art, the =
thing itself. As far as if there is ONE definition, I think that if there i=
sn't, we're back to just a councel of despair &amp; why try, which was not =
the purpose of my question. Also, I think as artists it is incumbent of us =
as artists to have some idea of what it is we are doing &amp; have some i9d=
ea of what it's called. Clearly we are musicians of some sort or other, but=
 we are creating art, just as Baqch did, &amp; Shakespeare, &amp; they guy =
who created the cave paintings of animals 20,000 years ago. Art may have tr=
ends, but art isn't a trend.</DIV><DIV>=A0</DIV><DIV><evanpeewee @gmail.com=
=3D""><BR>

<PRE><FONT size=3D"2">someone said:<BR>But my original question was: "what =
is art or a definition of what is or constitutes art"<BR><BR>i'm very late =
to this, and haven't read all the posts, but saw this, so i will chime in:<=
BR>
<BR>there is no ONE definition of "art" or "Art".<BR>art is basically a wes=
tern european ter</FONT>m, that has been in our lexicon for about 500 yrs o=
r so (think Renaissance).<BR>sure you can look up in the dictionary or wiki=
 or encyclopedia for a definition, but the way w/ modern art (anytime from =
late 1790s to 1850s for start-lots of debate)<BR>
is that whatever definition is made for art, a new group of artists goes ag=
ainst this and challenges conventions (this can be applied to anything from=
 impressionists<BR>through dadaists to conceptual art, etc)...<BR><BR>s---<=
BR>
<A href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/scotthansen">www.myspace.com/scotthansen<=
/A><BR></PRE>

<BR>
<BR>
<BR>

<PRE>Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

myspace.com/folkstone57
http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter
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tp://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA1E10C10439651=
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<BR>

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  I try not to analyze it too much when in the midst, as it=E2=80=99s more a
  struggle adhering to what Les Paul referred to in that reprinted
  TapeOp interview, about not letting the technology control the
  process of creation.
  Agree that technology is not the end of art but a means towards art.
  That includes technology at any level from samples & synths to
  paintbrushes & marble.
  =C2=A0 When that happens I don=E2=80=99t necessarily know if it=E2=80=99s
  =E2=80=98creating=E2=80=99 per se, except in the reactions one is having =
to the
  technology.=C2=A0 That is still a kind of Art in the end, but more a bit
  of performance art than Art sometimes.=C2=A0
  I don't think that performance art is what you mean, since you're
  giving the term a negative connotation. Art controlled by technology
  could be, say, the disco era when it was all about having the right
  drum pattern & keyboard sound etc. , or the 80's technology bands
  like Human League that could only platy at one tempo because that's
  the only one they could get their drum machine to sound good at.
  I seek transparency to the work, a more direct line between the urge
  to create and the product of that urge.
  Interesting statement but I must admit I don't quite understand it.
  Could you give an example?=C2=A0From: John Cecil Price=C2=A0Well...Having=
 no
  story is indeed a huge story in and of itself...but there is always a
  story present even when you think or want to escape from being tied
  to one. You're inevitably creating or deconstructing/sampling or
  reconstructing, re-writing &/or reacting to one story or another. =C2=A0&
  I do think what is really a more interesting question here would be
  just why do we human's even need to tell stories-make music/art,
  etc., in the 1st place?=C2=A0Is it to teach, to inspire or imagine more
  than what there actually is beyond all of us?=C2=A0Is it for amusement?
  Or is it because we find ourselves lonely and need to know our
  feelings are not unique but common? =C2=A0Or is there a genetic trigger
  drawing us all to storytelling-songs, etc?=C2=A0I just personally think
  I'm predisposed to the "compulsive musician gene" that is compelling
  me toward seeing songs/stories and musical performances as being my
  children and playing with other musicians as co-parenting partners
  providing both pre & post natal care of our children.=C2=A0& maybe I'm
  just vain too.=C2=A0Sent from my iPhone, John Cecil Price2154856128
  phn/txt




Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

myspace.com/folkstone57
http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter[IMAGE]

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<PRE>Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

myspace.com/folkstone57
http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter
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There is an interesting book by Daniel Levitin, "The world in six songs". 
It's about music and how it could have helped humans to survive. He talks 
about the co-evolution of music and the brain, how deeply music is 
engrained in our natureÂ and how it helps us to bond, to cooperate orÂ to 
transfer information.Â As neuroscientist and musician, he can approach the 
subject from both sides. I highly recommend the book (as well as his other 
one "This is your brain on music").


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> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:38:01 +0200
> Von: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> 
>         On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:20 PM, John Cecil Price
> <johncecilprice@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > a more interesting question here would be just why do we human's even 
> need
> > to tell stories-make music/art, etc., in the 1st place?
> ///////
> > Or is there a genetic trigger drawing us all to storytelling-songs, 
> etc?
> 
> 
> I thinks so. That idea came to me from a radio documentary where they
> compared a typical five year old children with a typical chimpanzee.
> They are of equal intellectual capacity but the huge difference is in
> sharing stories. The five year child is constantly telling stories -
> about anything and to whomever want (or doesn't) to listen - but the
> chimp just sits silent until a need of any kind arises.
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
> 
> 
    
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ok, this is from wiki:

*Art* is the product or process of deliberately arranging
symbolic<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol>elements in a way that
influences and affects the
senses <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senses>,
emotions<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotions>,
and/or intellect <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellect>. It encompasses a
diverse range of human activities, creations, and modes of expression,
including music <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music>,
literature<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literature>,
film <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film>,
photography<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography>,
sculpture <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculpture>, and
paintings<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paintings>.
The meaning of art is explored in a branch of
philosophy<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy>known as
aesthetics <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetics> and even disciplines
such as history <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History> and
psychoanalysis<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoanalysis>analyze its
relationship with humans and generations.

Traditionally, the term *art* was used to refer to any skill or mastery.
This conception changed during the
Romantic<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism>period, when art
came to be seen as "a special faculty of the human mind to
be classified with religion and
science".[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art#cite_note-0>Generally,
art is made with the intention of stimulating thoughts and
emotions.


i think this is a pretty good definition, mainly the 1st sentence. (the 2nd
part is extrapolating idea that before the Renaissance, the only thing that
created was GOD, after the Renaissance, man could create....also the move
from "craftsman" to "artist"...)

as i get older (grad school from 28-31, didn't find my "dream college
teaching art job", now 46...), i think the academic tradition of
art/arts/whatever are wrong, backwards, something.
i honestly think it should just be "Creative Studies" & encompass
everything...this dividing things up i think becomes screwie (in my opinion)

in grad school i ran into this, one of my profs had wanted to teach a course
on "Sound Art", which i was interested in, coming from my non-music
background yrs of playing guitar...
but the music prof that he wanted to co-teach w/ didn't think that Visual
Arts follow rules per say as music does (i guess us Visual artists are TOO
FREE!!!). so the class was
bagged.

i understand that academics needs to follow some system, which is generally
based on the Master-Apprentice model from the Renaissance....which i suppose
for the most part
works....there was an article from early 70s we read in Grad school about
this artist who did an experimental class, where they just had the room full
of material, no
specific type of material (not 2D or 3D specific)...and the people in the
class just took the stuff and made things...it was interesting...but that
was the care-free free-wheeling days of the 70s, doubt it would happen
today....heck i got in trouble at my last "Art teaching job" for giving kids
project based assignments & freedom...can't do that!!!!!

so my pt...well, there's the definition for you (above)...the first problem
w/ the definition as i see it: where do you put Duchamp-he wanted to return
art to the realm of the mind, he felt w/ everything from Ren to Cubism dealt
only w/ the retina? of course the last thing says "intellect",
but his ready-mades took away the "deliberately arranging" part of art, he
would just pick mass produced things (urinal, shovel, bottle rack), sign
them, name them
and called them art. this happened almost a 100 yrs ago, i think most still
don't know how to deal w/ that. Most Conservative Critics would say it is
not art, and Duchamp's
fountain (the urinal) was rejected for it's 1st show he put it in. So
there's the dilemma.   Same can be said for other Dada artists, and same for
the Conceptualists...where you are
dealing only w/ an "idea".

how this deals w/ music...well, i'm not sure...i know for me, i never think
of myself as a guitarist or musician (god forbid-i have no training!), i
think of myself as a visual artist who plays guitar & likes electronic
stuff....so there i go...more categories....
i'm sure i've confused the matter more....ha...
s---
www.myspace.com/scotthansen

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ok, this is from wiki:<br><p><b>Art</b> is the product or process of delibe=
rately arranging <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol" title=3D"S=
ymbol">symbolic</a> elements in a way that influences and affects the <a hr=
ef=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senses" title=3D"Senses" class=3D"mw-red=
irect">senses</a>, <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotions" title=
=3D"Emotions" class=3D"mw-redirect">emotions</a>, and/or <a href=3D"http://=
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellect" title=3D"Intellect" class=3D"mw-redirect">=
intellect</a>. It encompasses a diverse range of human activities, creation=
s, and modes of expression, including <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wi=
ki/Music" title=3D"Music">music</a>, <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wik=
i/Literature" title=3D"Literature">literature</a>, <a href=3D"http://en.wik=
ipedia.org/wiki/Film" title=3D"Film">film</a>, <a href=3D"http://en.wikiped=
ia.org/wiki/Photography" title=3D"Photography">photography</a>, <a href=3D"=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculpture" title=3D"Sculpture">sculpture</a>, =
and <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paintings" title=3D"Paintings" =
class=3D"mw-redirect">paintings</a>. The meaning of art is explored in a br=
anch of <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy" title=3D"Philos=
ophy">philosophy</a> known as <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesth=
etics" title=3D"Aesthetics">aesthetics</a> and even disciplines such as <a =
href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History" title=3D"History">history</a>=
 and <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoanalysis" title=3D"Psych=
oanalysis">psychoanalysis</a> analyze its relationship with humans and gene=
rations.</p>

<p>Traditionally, the term <i>art</i> was used to refer to any skill or mas=
tery. This conception changed during the <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org=
/wiki/Romanticism" title=3D"Romanticism">Romantic</a> period, when art came=
 to be seen as &quot;a special faculty of the human mind to be classified w=
ith religion and science&quot;.<sup id=3D"cite_ref-0" class=3D"reference"><=
a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art#cite_note-0"><span>[</span>1<spa=
n>]</span></a></sup> Generally, art is made with the intention of stimulati=
ng thoughts and emotions.</p>
<p><br></p>i think this is a pretty good definition, mainly the 1st sentenc=
e. (the 2nd part is extrapolating idea that before the Renaissance, the onl=
y thing that created was GOD, after the Renaissance, man could create....al=
so the move from &quot;craftsman&quot; to &quot;artist&quot;...)<br>
<br>as i get older (grad school from 28-31, didn&#39;t find my &quot;dream =
college teaching art job&quot;, now 46...), i think the academic tradition =
of art/arts/whatever are wrong, backwards, something.<br>i honestly think i=
t should just be &quot;Creative Studies&quot; &amp; encompass everything...=
this dividing things up i think becomes screwie (in my opinion)<br>
<br>in grad school i ran into this, one of my profs had wanted to teach a c=
ourse on &quot;Sound Art&quot;, which i was interested in, coming from my n=
on-music background yrs of playing guitar...<br>but the music prof that he =
wanted to co-teach w/ didn&#39;t think that Visual Arts follow rules per sa=
y as music does (i guess us Visual artists are TOO FREE!!!). so the class w=
as<br>
bagged.<br><br>i understand that academics needs to follow some system, whi=
ch is generally based on the Master-Apprentice model from the Renaissance..=
..which i suppose for the most part<br>works....there was an article from e=
arly 70s we read in Grad school about this artist who did an experimental c=
lass, where they just had the room full of material, no <br>
specific type of material (not 2D or 3D specific)...and the people in the c=
lass just took the stuff and made things...it was interesting...but that wa=
s the care-free free-wheeling days of the 70s, doubt it would happen today.=
...heck i got in trouble at my last &quot;Art teaching job&quot; for giving=
 kids project based assignments &amp; freedom...can&#39;t do that!!!!!<br>
<br>so my pt...well, there&#39;s the definition for you (above)...the first=
 problem w/ the definition as i see it: where do you put Duchamp-he wanted =
to return art to the realm of the mind, he felt w/ everything from Ren to C=
ubism dealt only w/ the retina? of course the last thing says &quot;intelle=
ct&quot;,<br>
but his ready-mades took away the &quot;deliberately arranging&quot; part o=
f art, he would just pick mass produced things (urinal, shovel, bottle rack=
), sign them, name them<br>and called them art. this happened almost a 100 =
yrs ago, i think most still don&#39;t know how to deal w/ that. Most Conser=
vative Critics would say it is not art, and Duchamp&#39;s<br>
fountain (the urinal) was rejected for it&#39;s 1st show he put it in. So t=
here&#39;s the dilemma. =A0 Same can be said for other Dada artists, and sa=
me for the Conceptualists...where you are<br>dealing only w/ an &quot;idea&=
quot;.<br>
<br>how this deals w/ music...well, i&#39;m not sure...i know for me, i nev=
er think of myself as a guitarist or musician (god forbid-i have no trainin=
g!), i think of myself as a visual artist who plays guitar &amp; likes elec=
tronic stuff....so there i go...more categories....<br>
i&#39;m sure i&#39;ve confused the matter more....ha...<br>s---<br><a href=
=3D"http://www.myspace.com/scotthansen">www.myspace.com/scotthansen</a><br>

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  There is an interesting book by Daniel Levitin, "The world in six
  songs". It's about music and how it could have helped humans to
  survive. He talks about the co-evolution of music and the brain, how
  deeply music is engrained in our nature=A0and how it helps us to bond,
  to cooperate or=A0to transfer information.=A0As neuroscientist and
  musician, he can approach the subject from both sides. I highly
  recommend the book (as well as his other one "This is your brain on
  music").

    -------- Original-Nachricht --------
    Datum: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:38:01 +0200
    Von: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
    An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Betreff: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"

    On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:20 PM, John Cecil Price
    <johncecilprice@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > a more interesting question here would be just why do we
    human's even need
    > to tell stories-make music/art, etc., in the 1st place?
    ///////
    > Or is there a genetic trigger drawing us all to
    storytelling-songs, etc?


    I thinks so. That idea came to me from a radio documentary where
    they
    compared a typical five year old children with a typical
    chimpanzee.

    I'd like to know how they came up with that determination,
    especially since I work in a branch of healthcare & I don't think
    most of the sup's/managers have the intellect of a 5 year old.
    Chimp, I mean........


    They are of equal intellectual capacity but the huge difference
    is in
    sharing stories.=A0The five year child is constantly telling
    stories -
    about anything and to whomever want (or doesn't) to listen - but
    the
    chimp just sits silent until a need of any kind arises.

    My comment to this is, did the documentary explore any of the
    reasons those chimps we're sharing stories? Did they see if
    perhaps the chimps simply didn't like the children they were
    forced to be with? Or perhaps the chimps found that the children
    simply jabbered on so much they couldn't get a word in edgewise?
    Did anyone ask the chimps if they were so bored with the children
    jabbering on that they didn't want to make the verbal onslaught
    any worse? Perhaps the chimps were really stuck-up & refused to
    have anything to do with such creatures as children. The
    chimps=A0might have thought that children were an evolutionary
    dead-end & really, what was the point since they would be extinct
    sometime in the future & telling chimp stories would be wasted on
    the children. Also, if the chimps actually just sat there
    silently, did anyone check to see if the chimps were still
    breathing? Or hadn't been self-medicating to get through the
    study? It seems to me that there are a lot of unanswered
    questions here, not the least of which might be did the study
    accidentally get a bunch of mute chimps? I mean, the last time I
    was a 5 year old & was in a study comparing humans to chimps,
    those bloody chimps would never shut up! They would just go on &
    on about the most mundane things like bannanas & climbing trees &
    daring one chimp to hold a bannana while climbing a tree, ect ect
    .... Goodness it was almost unbearable!


    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se
    www.perboysen.com
    www.looproom.com internet music hub




  --
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<DIV><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MAR=
GIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>There is an interesting book by Daniel Levitin, "The wor=
ld in six songs". It's about music and how it could have helped humans to s=
urvive. He talks about the co-evolution of music and the brain, how deeply =
music is engrained in our nature&nbsp;and how it helps us to bond, to coope=
rate or&nbsp;to transfer information.&nbsp;As neuroscientist and musician, =
he can approach the subject from both sides. I highly recommend the book (a=
s well as his other one "This is your brain on music").<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<P>-------- Original-Nachricht --------<BR>Datum: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:38:01=
 +0200<BR>Von: Per Boysen &lt;perboysen@gmail.com&gt;<BR>An: Loopers-Deligh=
t@loopers-delight.com<BR>Betreff: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"<BR><BR>=
</P>
<P>On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:20 PM, John Cecil Price<BR>&lt;johncecilprice@=
hotmail.com&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt; a more interesting question here would be ju=
st why do we human's even need<BR>&gt; to tell stories-make music/art, etc.=
, in the 1st place?<BR>///////<BR>&gt; Or is there a genetic trigger drawin=
g us all to storytelling-songs, etc?<BR><BR><BR>I thinks so. That idea came=
 to me from a radio documentary where they<BR>compared a typical five year =
old children with a typical chimpanzee.</P>
<P>I'd like to know how they came up with that determination, especially si=
nce I work in a branch of healthcare &amp; I don't think most of the sup's/=
managers have the intellect of a 5 year old. Chimp, I mean........</P>
<P><BR>They are of equal intellectual capacity but the huge difference is i=
n<BR>sharing stories.&nbsp;The five year child is constantly telling storie=
s -<BR>about anything and to whomever want (or doesn't) to listen - but the=
<BR>chimp just sits silent until a need of any kind arises.<BR></P>
<P>My comment to this is, did the documentary explore any of the reasons th=
ose chimps we're sharing stories? Did they see if perhaps the chimps simply=
 didn't like the children they were forced to be with? Or perhaps the chimp=
s found that the children simply jabbered on so much they couldn't get a wo=
rd in edgewise? Did anyone ask the chimps if they were so bored with the ch=
ildren jabbering on that they didn't want to make the verbal onslaught any =
worse? Perhaps the chimps were really stuck-up &amp; refused to have anythi=
ng to do with such creatures as children. The chimps&nbsp;might have though=
t that children were an evolutionary dead-end &amp; really, what was the po=
int since they would be extinct sometime in the future &amp; telling chimp =
stories would be wasted on the children. Also, if the chimps actually just =
sat there silently, did anyone check to see if the chimps were still breath=
ing? Or hadn't been self-medicating to get through the study? It seems to m=
e that there are a lot of unanswered questions here, not the least of which=
 might be did the study accidentally get a bunch of mute chimps? I mean, th=
e last time I was a 5 year old &amp; was in a study comparing humans to chi=
mps, those bloody chimps would never shut up! They would just go on &amp; o=
n about the most mundane things like bannanas &amp; climbing trees &amp; da=
ring one chimp to hold a bannana while climbing a tree, ect ect .... Goodne=
ss it was almost unbearable!</P>
<P><BR>Greetings from Sweden<BR><BR>Per Boysen<BR>www.boysen.se<BR>www.perb=
oysen.com<BR>www.looproom.com internet music hub<BR><BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=3Dsignature><BR><BR><BR>-- <BR>Johannes Korn - j.korn@gmx.de <BR=
>http://www.myspace.com/nashorn<BR><BR>GRATIS! Movie-FLAT mit =C3=BCber 300=
 Videos. <BR>Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome</=
DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><PRE>Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

myspace.com/folkstone57
http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter
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Another interesting book that visits the brain/music topic is =20
"Musicophilia: Tales of Music and the Brain" by Oliver Sacks...

-cpr

Quoting Mark Showalter <folkstone57@operamail.com>:

>   There is an interesting book by Daniel Levitin, "The world in six
>   songs". It's about music and how it could have helped humans to
>   survive. He talks about the co-evolution of music and the brain, how
>   deeply music is engrained in our nature=A0and how it helps us to bond,
>   to cooperate or=A0to transfer information.=A0As neuroscientist and
>   musician, he can approach the subject from both sides. I highly
>   recommend the book (as well as his other one "This is your brain on
>   music").
>
>     -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>     Datum: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:38:01 +0200
>     Von: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
>     An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>     Betreff: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
>
>     On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:20 PM, John Cecil Price
>     <johncecilprice@hotmail.com> wrote:
>     > a more interesting question here would be just why do we
>     human's even need
>     > to tell stories-make music/art, etc., in the 1st place?
>     ///////
>     > Or is there a genetic trigger drawing us all to
>     storytelling-songs, etc?
>
>
>     I thinks so. That idea came to me from a radio documentary where
>     they
>     compared a typical five year old children with a typical
>     chimpanzee.
>
>     I'd like to know how they came up with that determination,
>     especially since I work in a branch of healthcare & I don't think
>     most of the sup's/managers have the intellect of a 5 year old.
>     Chimp, I mean........
>
>
>     They are of equal intellectual capacity but the huge difference
>     is in
>     sharing stories.=A0The five year child is constantly telling
>     stories -
>     about anything and to whomever want (or doesn't) to listen - but
>     the
>     chimp just sits silent until a need of any kind arises.
>
>     My comment to this is, did the documentary explore any of the
>     reasons those chimps we're sharing stories? Did they see if
>     perhaps the chimps simply didn't like the children they were
>     forced to be with? Or perhaps the chimps found that the children
>     simply jabbered on so much they couldn't get a word in edgewise?
>     Did anyone ask the chimps if they were so bored with the children
>     jabbering on that they didn't want to make the verbal onslaught
>     any worse? Perhaps the chimps were really stuck-up & refused to
>     have anything to do with such creatures as children. The
>     chimps=A0might have thought that children were an evolutionary
>     dead-end & really, what was the point since they would be extinct
>     sometime in the future & telling chimp stories would be wasted on
>     the children. Also, if the chimps actually just sat there
>     silently, did anyone check to see if the chimps were still
>     breathing? Or hadn't been self-medicating to get through the
>     study? It seems to me that there are a lot of unanswered
>     questions here, not the least of which might be did the study
>     accidentally get a bunch of mute chimps? I mean, the last time I
>     was a 5 year old & was in a study comparing humans to chimps,
>     those bloody chimps would never shut up! They would just go on &
>     on about the most mundane things like bannanas & climbing trees &
>     daring one chimp to hold a bannana while climbing a tree, ect ect
>     .... Goodness it was almost unbearable!
>
>
>     Greetings from Sweden
>
>     Per Boysen
>     www.boysen.se
>     www.perboysen.com
>     www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
>
>
>
>   --
>   Johannes Korn - j.korn@gmx.de
>   http://www.myspace.com/nashorn
>
>   GRATIS! Movie-FLAT mit =C3=BCber 300 Videos.
>   Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome
>
>
>
>
> Mark Showalter
> Minden Jot!
>
> myspace.com/folkstone57
> http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter[IMAGE]
>
> --
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On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Mark Showalter
<folkstone57@operamail.com> wrote:
>
> My comment to this is, did the documentary explore any of the reasons those chimps we're sharing stories?
> Did they see if perhaps the chimps simply didn't like the children they were forced to be with?


Oh, I'm afraid I didn't explain it well enough: Chimpanzee and
children never met. Typical behavior of five old children was compared
to typical behavior of chimpanzee. The obvious difference mentioned -
that I find interesting for this discussion about man's urge to tell
stories maybe being a typical human instinct - was that children
always babble away telling stories but chimpanzee only communicate
when there is a practical need for it.

My point, to be understood, was that we already have the instinctual
urge to communicate and that music is just another language to babble
and have fun with. Like someone already said.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
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Hi Folks,

I know we're ALL trying to lighten up a bit, but I thought in case anyone
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All the best to my brother and sister loopers.

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> > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Mark Showalter
> <folkstone57@operamail.com> wrote:
> >
> > My comment to this is, did the documentary explore any of the=20
> > reasons those chimps we're sharing stories?
> > Did they see if perhaps the chimps simply didn't like the=20
> > children they were forced to be with?
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> Oh, I'm afraid I didn't explain it well enough: Chimpanzee and
> children never met. Typical behavior of five old children was compared
> to typical behavior of chimpanzee. The obvious difference mentioned -
> that I find interesting for this discussion about man's urge to tell
> stories maybe being a typical human instinct - was that children
> always babble away telling stories but chimpanzee only communicate
> when there is a practical need for it.

I thought that there was something lost in translation, but I had too much =
fun going to town on that one.

> My point, to be understood, was that we already have the instinctual
> urge to communicate and that music is just another language to babble
> and have fun with. Like someone already said.

Completely agree with the idea that music is an almost universal language &=
 certainbly that it can be graet fun. Probably one of the reasons it can be=
 so close to universal is that it seems people almost instictively recogniz=
e music even if it's in a form that isn't familliar. The first time I heard=
 some Oriental forms of music it sounded much more like a battle carried on=
 in a Lego factory than music. Eventually I caught on & there's some that I=
 really like.
> Greetings from Sweden
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> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub

>



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Kevin

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Yes, I can second that. IÂ read the two books ("Musicophilia" and "This is 
your brain on music") in direct succession, and they complement each other 
very nicely.



>         
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:20:51 -0500
> Von: cpr@musetrap.com
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Mark Showalter 
> <folkstone57@operamail.com>
> Betreff: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
> 
>         Another interesting book that visits the brain/music topic is 
> "Musicophilia: Tales of Music and the Brain" by Oliver Sacks...
> 
> -cpr
> 
> Quoting Mark Showalter <folkstone57@operamail.com>:
> 
> > There is an interesting book by Daniel Levitin, "The world in six
> > songs". It's about music and how it could have helped humans to
> > survive. He talks about the co-evolution of music and the brain, how
> > deeply music is engrained in our natureÂ and how it helps us to bond,
> > to cooperate orÂ to transfer information.Â As neuroscientist and
> > musician, he can approach the subject from both sides. I highly
> > recommend the book (as well as his other one "This is your brain on
> > music").
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:38:01 +0200
> > Von: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Betreff: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:20 PM, John Cecil Price
> > <johncecilprice@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > a more interesting question here would be just why do we
> > human's even need
> > > to tell stories-make music/art, etc., in the 1st place?
> > ///////
> > > Or is there a genetic trigger drawing us all to
> > storytelling-songs, etc?
> >
> >
> > I thinks so. That idea came to me from a radio documentary where
> > they
> > compared a typical five year old children with a typical
> > chimpanzee.
> >
> > I'd like to know how they came up with that determination,
> > especially since I work in a branch of healthcare & I don't think
> > most of the sup's/managers have the intellect of a 5 year old.
> > Chimp, I mean........
> >
> >
> > They are of equal intellectual capacity but the huge difference
> > is in
> > sharing stories.Â The five year child is constantly telling
> > stories -
> > about anything and to whomever want (or doesn't) to listen - but
> > the
> > chimp just sits silent until a need of any kind arises.
> >
> > My comment to this is, did the documentary explore any of the
> > reasons those chimps we're sharing stories? Did they see if
> > perhaps the chimps simply didn't like the children they were
> > forced to be with? Or perhaps the chimps found that the children
> > simply jabbered on so much they couldn't get a word in edgewise?
> > Did anyone ask the chimps if they were so bored with the children
> > jabbering on that they didn't want to make the verbal onslaught
> > any worse? Perhaps the chimps were really stuck-up & refused to
> > have anything to do with such creatures as children. The
> > chimpsÂ might have thought that children were an evolutionary
> > dead-end & really, what was the point since they would be extinct
> > sometime in the future & telling chimp stories would be wasted on
> > the children. Also, if the chimps actually just sat there
> > silently, did anyone check to see if the chimps were still
> > breathing? Or hadn't been self-medicating to get through the
> > study? It seems to me that there are a lot of unanswered
> > questions here, not the least of which might be did the study
> > accidentally get a bunch of mute chimps? I mean, the last time I
> > was a 5 year old & was in a study comparing humans to chimps,
> > those bloody chimps would never shut up! They would just go on &
> > on about the most mundane things like bannanas & climbing trees &
> > daring one chimp to hold a bannana while climbing a tree, ect ect
> > .... Goodness it was almost unbearable!
> >
> >
> > Greetings from Sweden
> >
> > Per Boysen
> > www.boysen.se
> > www.perboysen.com
> > www.looproom.com internet music hub
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Johannes Korn - j.korn@gmx.de
> > http://www.myspace.com/nashorn
> >
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        Yes, I can second that. I&nbsp;read the two books (&quot;Musicophil=
ia&quot; and &quot;This is your brain on music&quot;) in direct succession,=
 and they complement each other very nicely.<br /><br /><br /><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite">
        <p>-------- Original-Nachricht --------<br />Datum: Thu, 28 Oct 201=
0 11:20:51 -0500<br />Von: cpr@musetrap.com<br />An: Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com, Mark Showalter &lt;folkstone57@operamail.com&gt;<br />Betref=
f: Re: Great speech video on &quot;Sound&quot;<br /><br /></p>
        Another interesting book that visits the brain/music topic is <br /=
>&quot;Musicophilia: Tales of Music and the Brain&quot; by Oliver Sacks...<=
br /><br />-cpr<br /><br />Quoting Mark Showalter &lt;folkstone57@operamail=
.com&gt;:<br /><br />&gt; There is an interesting book by Daniel Levitin, &=
quot;The world in six<br />&gt; songs&quot;. It's about music and how it co=
uld have helped humans to<br />&gt; survive. He talks about the co-evolutio=
n of music and the brain, how<br />&gt; deeply music is engrained in our na=
ture&nbsp;and how it helps us to bond,<br />&gt; to cooperate or&nbsp;to tr=
ansfer information.&nbsp;As neuroscientist and<br />&gt; musician, he can a=
pproach the subject from both sides. I highly<br />&gt; recommend the book =
(as well as his other one &quot;This is your brain on<br />&gt; music&quot;=
).<br />&gt;<br />&gt; -------- Original-Nachricht --------<br />&gt; Datum=
: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:38:01 +0200<br />&gt; Von: Per Boysen &lt;perboysen@g=
mail.com&gt;<br />&gt; An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br />&gt; Be=
treff: Re: Great speech video on &quot;Sound&quot;<br />&gt;<br />&gt; On W=
ed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:20 PM, John Cecil Price<br />&gt; &lt;johncecilprice@=
hotmail.com&gt; wrote:<br />&gt; &gt; a more interesting question here woul=
d be just why do we<br />&gt; human's even need<br />&gt; &gt; to tell stor=
ies-make music/art, etc., in the 1st place?<br />&gt; ///////<br />&gt; &gt=
; Or is there a genetic trigger drawing us all to<br />&gt; storytelling-so=
ngs, etc?<br />&gt;<br />&gt;<br />&gt; I thinks so. That idea came to me f=
rom a radio documentary where<br />&gt; they<br />&gt; compared a typical f=
ive year old children with a typical<br />&gt; chimpanzee.<br />&gt;<br />&=
gt; I'd like to know how they came up with that determination,<br />&gt; es=
pecially since I work in a branch of healthcare &amp; I don't think<br />&g=
t; most of the sup's/managers have the intellect of a 5 year old.<br />&gt;=
 Chimp, I mean........<br />&gt;<br />&gt;<br />&gt; They are of equal inte=
llectual capacity but the huge difference<br />&gt; is in<br />&gt; sharing=
 stories.&nbsp;The five year child is constantly telling<br />&gt; stories =
-<br />&gt; about anything and to whomever want (or doesn't) to listen - bu=
t<br />&gt; the<br />&gt; chimp just sits silent until a need of any kind a=
rises.<br />&gt;<br />&gt; My comment to this is, did the documentary explo=
re any of the<br />&gt; reasons those chimps we're sharing stories? Did the=
y see if<br />&gt; perhaps the chimps simply didn't like the children they =
were<br />&gt; forced to be with? Or perhaps the chimps found that the chil=
dren<br />&gt; simply jabbered on so much they couldn't get a word in edgew=
ise?<br />&gt; Did anyone ask the chimps if they were so bored with the chi=
ldren<br />&gt; jabbering on that they didn't want to make the verbal onsla=
ught<br />&gt; any worse? Perhaps the chimps were really stuck-up &amp; ref=
used to<br />&gt; have anything to do with such creatures as children. The<=
br />&gt; chimps&nbsp;might have thought that children were an evolutionary=
<br />&gt; dead-end &amp; really, what was the point since they would be ex=
tinct<br />&gt; sometime in the future &amp; telling chimp stories would be=
 wasted on<br />&gt; the children. Also, if the chimps actually just sat th=
ere<br />&gt; silently, did anyone check to see if the chimps were still<br=
 />&gt; breathing? Or hadn't been self-medicating to get through the<br />&=
gt; study? It seems to me that there are a lot of unanswered<br />&gt; ques=
tions here, not the least of which might be did the study<br />&gt; acciden=
tally get a bunch of mute chimps? I mean, the last time I<br />&gt; was a 5=
 year old &amp; was in a study comparing humans to chimps,<br />&gt; those =
bloody chimps would never shut up! They would just go on &amp;<br />&gt; on=
 about the most mundane things like bannanas &amp; climbing trees &amp;<br =
/>&gt; daring one chimp to hold a bannana while climbing a tree, ect ect<br=
 />&gt; .... Goodness it was almost unbearable!<br />&gt;<br />&gt;<br />&g=
t; Greetings from Sweden<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Per Boysen<br />&gt; www.boyse=
n.se<br />&gt; www.perboysen.com<br />&gt; www.looproom.com internet music =
hub<br />&gt;<br />&gt;<br />&gt;<br />&gt;<br />&gt; --<br />&gt; Johannes=
 Korn - j.korn@gmx.de<br />&gt; http://www.myspace.com/nashorn<br />&gt;<br=
 />&gt; GRATIS! Movie-FLAT mit &Atilde;&frac14;ber 300 Videos.<br />&gt; Je=
tzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome<br />&gt;<br />&=
gt;<br />&gt;<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Mark Showalter<br />&gt; Minden Jot!<br /=
>&gt;<br />&gt; myspace.com/folkstone57<br />&gt; http://www.last.fm/music/=
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Hi.=20

There are a few essential items in Bidule it would greatly help to see =
an example of so I can figure out how to hook it up correctly...=20

Anyone have a Bidule setup with 1) a midi device that looks to another =
midi device for the sync timing, 2) a noise gate, 3) a switcher (audio =
or midi if they function the same, each if not.)

Uses:  1) sync: start a pattern in BFD, press record in EchoLoop/LoopV =
with quantize on and set to cycle, record begins on the 1 beat of the =
BFD pattern.
             2) set up all my instruments into a mixer, each with a =
noise gate so I don't have to manually select instruments, only the =
instrument I'm playing passes through, if playing bass (for instance) =
guitar signal is silent.=20
             3) many routing uses but mostly to select which midi plugin =
gets the signal from whatever midi input I select (otherwise all of 'em =
go at once... the idea here is to have all my sounds loaded and ready to =
roll and just switch and be able to use any one of several input devices =
at any time.) Down the road, another use would be to switch the "sync =
master" if that's even possible so I can start with BFD one time, Stylus =
RMX another, or ultimately even Echoloop if I want to start out with =
what I'm playing and then sync the drums to that (the reverse of the =
first one I mentioned, which is a good starting point for now.)

Examples (like a Bidule setup I can look at as a template) or any =
specific instructions very welcome.=20

THANK YOU for your time!

----Christopher "why didn't I take up knitting instead" Darrow


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Yes Per i agree, but 'd like to say more:
music like litarature, poetry, paint, sculpture and so on ar more than a 
merely 
language as i told before there are misterious ways by whitch they 'tell us 
something' instead of
our native language, culture, intellectual level etc, i'd like to point on 
this, sometimes they touch special 
chords inside us and finally i ithink that this is could be an interesting 
definition of ART.
Massimo 


is a practical need for it.
>
>My point, to be understood, was that we already have the instinctual
>urge to communicate and that music is just another language to babble
>and have fun with. Like someone already said.
>
>Greetings from Sweden
>
>Per Boysen
>www.boysen.se
>www.perboysen.com
>www.looproom.com internet music hub
>
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Another hearty thumbs-up for Oliver Sacks' amazing books on the human =
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Christopher Darrow <thedarrow@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bidule

Maybe you can find some hints here:
http://www.perboysen.com/archives/542

Also check the Bidule forum.

Greetings from Sweden

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Yahoogroups and other lists have been blocking my playlists for over a 
month and I am SOOOO tired of trying to figure out what's triggering the 
various filters.  My announcements before the shows are getting through 
just fine so I am at a loss to understand why playlists aren't treated 
the same.  In yet another effort to support the artists who appear in my 
playlists, I have stripped out nearly all of the links that I 
traditionally include.  You may see the unvarnished playlists on my 
websites and blogs.  Meanwhile, let's see if this even gets though or 
not. <sigh...>
==================

http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/101028.html

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

                 Show #708                October 28, 2010.

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the Ricochet Gathering
which took place this month in Berlin.  The Featured CD at Midnight was
"Okefenokee 2002" on the Ricochet Dream label.  I also played music by
Chuck Van Zyl, xeroid entity, and the Tangent Project who will be
playing at various concerts in the area.  Visit the events page for
details.

PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
xeroid entity        Megalith             Clouds of Dust (electro-music)
Van Zyl and Gulch    Regeneration Mode    Regeneration Mode (Synkronos)
The Tangent Project  Flow                 Live on Star's End Radio
                                             12-26-09 (none)
Ian Boddy            Hyperion             Pearl (DiN)
Dan Pound            Always On the Run    Wolf Moon (Poundsounds)
Ricochet Gathering   8:01 pm at the Gate  Okefenokee 2002 (Ricochet
                        to the Okefenokee    Dream)
Ricochet Gathering   Ommatidial Sorcerers Okefenokee 2002 (Ricochet
                                             Dream)

12:00 am
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Ricochet Gathering   Sunny Dew Pixie      Okefenokee 2002 (Ricochet
                        Stix                 Dream)
Ricochet Gathering   Tacit Fox            Oke. 2002 (Ricochet Dream)
Ricochet Gathering   Suwannee Riversill   Oke. 2002 (Ricochet Dream)
Ricochet Gathering   Name That Tune       Oke. 2002 (Ricochet Dream)
Ricochet Gathering   Spacestation Hamburg Oke. 2002 (Ricochet Dream)
Ricochet Gathering   East Stranded Time   Oke. 2002 (Ricochet Dream)
Ricochet Gathering   Mars                 Oke. 2002 (Ricochet Dream)
Ricochet Gathering   Syncing in the Swamp Oke. 2002 (Ricochet Dream)
Ricochet Gathering   Latern Eyes          Oke. 2002 (Ricochet Dream)
Ricochet Gathering   Jupiter              Oke. 2002 (Ricochet Dream)

1:00 am

  * = excerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist
-- = Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Dan
Pound.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Drift" on Poundsounds
Records.


Bill
========================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
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Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio
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BIG DAY!

My softstep arrived today, I have blogged my initial reactions to it at
http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892
I have also made a little film to celebrate its arrival, so you should go t=
o
the blog to view that, but the main text I will juts paste below, to get a
thread going.. I have basically one main BEEF!!

Go see the film, then Read on!

*Initial thoughts:*

*PROS:*
Its Extremely well made (tank etc)
Very small, but usable (and very light!!! Goodbye FCB)
Seems to have a good feel (haven't tried it with anything other than the
software yet.)
*CONS:*
One tiny con,
I don=B4t really believe that the pressure and 360degree movement is actual=
ly
very usable, not for musical purposes anyway, Im sure it takes some
practice, and sure I can SEE the sensors changing, but its not really
possible to smoothly increase a value (like you would need for a pan or a
volume or a wah. its a bit haphazard... I think you need tobe wearing soft
light shoes, something with a flat surface, which is a bit aukward for us
skandinavians who basically NEVER wear shoes indoors (not the done thing du=
e
to sand/grit ruining parquet floors) I have to get  some "soft-stepping
shoes".

&

ONE HUGE CON!!!
The midi box=85 Needed for US hardware users.
Hmmm=85 is this an afterthought? Doesnt seem to fit withe the wonderfully
designed pedal, light breakable, connected by, get this.. A MICRO USB UGH!!=
!
How is it powered when NOT using USB (which is the only way you WILL use it
after all..) Well by another usb connection, into a USA USB conector=85 I c=
ant
use that!!! And probably cant find one here with a Euro plug=85 WHAT WRONG
WITH A FUCKING WALL WART??? Well OK we KNOW what is wrong, but a USB
cable??? into a MICRO USB socket.. This with fail, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.. I
have had a micro usb on my work cameras changes, oohhh maybe 7 times?
TOTALLY USELESS for a rock and roll product.. Because I think Keith Mac is
forgetting this a bit, due to the fact that is target group are profesional
experimental violinists, and laptop loopers=85 what about heavy footed
guitarists..?

SOLUTION: They SHOULD have come up with a midi module that clamped onto the
pedal, had MIANS (110/240 switchable) input socket, with midi in/out. (and =
a
mini usb for the convenience of programming from the computer at the same
time as having the hardwre plugged in.)
The module could have clicked into place around the current USB input. OK
the transformer would have added some weight, but this fiddlin solution now=
,
is gonna break, Im sure of it=85
Im going to try to mount the midi box IN my pedal board, and have a short
jumper cable over to the Softstep, but Im gonna be nervous!

OK grumble over=85 LOVE the pedal=85 OK better launch the program=85. BRB=
=85


Mark


--=20
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

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BIG DAY!<br><br>My softstep arrived today, I have blogged my initial reacti=
ons to it at <a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892</a><br>I ha=
ve also made a little film to celebrate its arrival, so you should go to th=
e blog to view that, but the main text I will juts paste below, to get a th=
read going.. I have basically one main BEEF!!<br>


<br>Go see the film, then Read on!<br><br><p><b>Initial thoughts:</b></p>
<p><b>PROS:</b><br>
Its Extremely well made (tank etc)<br>
Very small, but usable (and very light!!! Goodbye FCB)<br>
Seems to have a good feel (haven&#39;t tried it with anything other than th=
e software yet.)<br>
<b>CONS:</b><br>One tiny con,<br>I don=B4t really believe that the pressure=
 and 360degree movement is actually very usable, not for musical purposes a=
nyway, Im sure it takes some practice, and sure I can SEE the sensors chang=
ing, but its not really possible to smoothly increase a value (like you wou=
ld need for a pan or a volume or a wah. its a bit haphazard... I think you =
need tobe wearing soft light shoes, something with a flat surface, which is=
 a bit aukward for us skandinavians who basically NEVER wear shoes indoors =
(not the done thing due to sand/grit ruining parquet floors) I have to get=
=A0 some &quot;soft-stepping shoes&quot;.<br>


</p><p>&amp;</p><p>ONE HUGE CON!!!<br>
The midi box=85 Needed for US hardware users.<br>
Hmmm=85 is this an afterthought? Doesnt seem to fit withe the wonderfully=
=20
designed pedal, light breakable, connected by, get this.. A MICRO USB=20
UGH!!!  How is it powered when NOT using USB (which is the only way you=20
WILL use it after all..) Well by another usb connection, into a USA USB=20
conector=85 I cant use that!!! And probably cant find one here with a Euro
 plug=85 WHAT WRONG WITH A FUCKING WALL WART??? Well OK we KNOW what is=20
wrong, but a USB cable??? into a MICRO USB socket.. This with fail, NO=20
DOUBT ABOUT IT.. I have had a micro usb on my work cameras changes,=20
oohhh maybe 7 times? TOTALLY USELESS for a rock and roll product..=20
Because I think Keith Mac is forgetting this a bit, due to the fact that
 is target group are profesional experimental violinists, and laptop=20
loopers=85 what about heavy footed guitarists..? </p>
<p>SOLUTION: They SHOULD have come up with a midi module that clamped=20
onto the pedal, had MIANS (110/240 switchable) input socket, with midi=20
in/out. (and a mini usb for the convenience of programming from the=20
computer at the same time as having the hardwre plugged in.)<br>
The module could have clicked into place around the current USB input.=20
OK the transformer would have added some weight, but this fiddlin=20
solution now, is gonna break, Im sure of it=85<br>
Im going to try to mount the midi box IN my pedal board, and have a=20
short jumper cable over to the Softstep, but Im gonna be nervous!</p>

<p>OK grumble over=85 LOVE the pedal=85 OK better launch the program=85. BR=
B=85</p><p><br></p><p>Mark<br></p><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francom=
be<br><a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com" target=3D"_blank">www.markfr=
ancombe.com</a><br>

<a href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com" target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com<=
/a><br>
twitter @markfrancombe<br><a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" target=3D=
"_blank">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.looop.no"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

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The vid is private - intentional?


At 2010.10.29 12:22 PM, mark francombe wrote:
>BIG DAY!
>
>My softstep arrived today, I have blogged my initial reactions to it 
>at 
><http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892>http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892
>I have also made a little film to celebrate its arrival, so you 
>should go to the blog to view that, but the main text I will juts 
>paste below, to get a thread going.. I have basically one main BEEF!!
>
>Go see the film, then Read on!

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just after I posted to LD, the wife said she didnt want a video of our son
on the net... bit late really, Ive got lots, and theres gigs of photos..
but.. you know...

Anyway Ill unlock it for tonight.. its just abit of fun anyway..

so for a limited time... go see may Softstep unwrap movie...

http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892

Mark

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Sean Echevarria <
fuckthespam@creepingfog.com> wrote:

> The vid is private - intentional?
>
>
>
> At 2010.10.29 12:22 PM, mark francombe wrote:
>
>> BIG DAY!
>>
>> My softstep arrived today, I have blogged my initial reactions to it at <
>> http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892>
>> http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892
>>
>> I have also made a little film to celebrate its arrival, so you should go
>> to the blog to view that, but the main text I will juts paste below, to get
>> a thread going.. I have basically one main BEEF!!
>>
>> Go see the film, then Read on!
>>
>
>


-- 
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

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just after I posted to LD, the wife said she didnt want a video of our son =
on the net... bit late really, Ive got lots, and theres gigs of photos.. bu=
t.. you know... <br><br>Anyway Ill unlock it for tonight.. its just abit of=
 fun anyway..<br>

<br>so for a limited time... go see may Softstep unwrap movie...<br><br> <a=
 href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892</a><br><br>Mark<br><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Sean Echevarria <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:fuckthespam@creepingfog.com">fuckthespam@creepingfog.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt=
 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1e=
x;">

The vid is private - intentional?<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<br>
At 2010.10.29 12:22 PM, mark francombe wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
 border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
BIG DAY!<br>
<br>
My softstep arrived today, I have blogged my initial reactions to it at &lt=
;<a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892</a>&gt;<a href=3D"http:=
//www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ma=
rkfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892</a><div class=3D"im">

<br>
I have also made a little film to celebrate its arrival, so you should go t=
o the blog to view that, but the main text I will juts paste below, to get =
a thread going.. I have basically one main BEEF!!<br>
<br>
Go see the film, then Read on!<br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D=
"http://www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markfrancomb=
e<br>

<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br>=
<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

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Best product demo video ever!

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com


> just after I posted to LD, the wife said she didnt want a video of our 
> son on the net... bit late really, Ive got lots, and theres gigs of 
> photos.. but.. you know...
>
> Anyway Ill unlock it for tonight.. its just abit of fun anyway..
>
> so for a limited time... go see may Softstep unwrap movie...
>
> http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892
>
> Mark

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Great video! SO much smaller than an fcb.=20


On Oct 29, 2010, at 6:30 PM, mark francombe wrote:

> just after I posted to LD, the wife said she didnt want a video of our =
son on the net... bit late really, Ive got lots, and theres gigs of =
photos.. but.. you know...=20
>=20
> Anyway Ill unlock it for tonight.. its just abit of fun anyway..
>=20
> so for a limited time... go see may Softstep unwrap movie...
>=20
> http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892
>=20
> Mark
>=20
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Sean Echevarria =
<fuckthespam@creepingfog.com> wrote:
> The vid is private - intentional?
>=20
>=20
>=20
> At 2010.10.29 12:22 PM, mark francombe wrote:
> BIG DAY!
>=20
> My softstep arrived today, I have blogged my initial reactions to it =
at =
<http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892>http://www.markfrancombe.=
com/wordpress/?p=3D892
>=20
> I have also made a little film to celebrate its arrival, so you should =
go to the blog to view that, but the main text I will juts paste below, =
to get a thread going.. I have basically one main BEEF!!
>=20
> Go see the film, then Read on!
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> mark francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no


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<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Great video! SO much smaller than an fcb.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 29, 2010, at 6:30 PM, mark francombe wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">just after I posted to LD, the wife said she didnt want a video of our son on the net... bit late really, Ive got lots, and theres gigs of photos.. but.. you know... <br><br>Anyway Ill unlock it for tonight.. its just abit of fun anyway..<br>

<br>so for a limited time... go see may Softstep unwrap movie...<br><br> <a href="http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892" target="_blank">http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892</a><br><br>Mark<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Sean Echevarria <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fuckthespam@creepingfog.com">fuckthespam@creepingfog.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">

The vid is private - intentional?<div class="im"><br>
<br>
<br>
At 2010.10.29 12:22 PM, mark francombe wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
BIG DAY!<br>
<br>
My softstep arrived today, I have blogged my initial reactions to it at &lt;<a href="http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892" target="_blank">http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892</a>&gt;<a href="http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892" target="_blank">http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892</a><div class="im">

<br>
I have also made a little film to celebrate its arrival, so you should go to the blog to view that, but the main text I will juts paste below, to get a thread going.. I have basically one main BEEF!!<br>
<br>
Go see the film, then Read on!<br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a href="http://www.markfrancombe.com/">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href="http://www.ordoabkhao.com/">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markfrancombe<br>

<a href="http://vimeo.com/user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br><a href="http://www.looop.no/">http://www.looop.no</a><br>
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Mark,

Thanks for keep us in the loop.

I'll be posting soon about my adventures with the StringPort.

Ciao!

Ted

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:22 PM, mark francombe wrote:

  BIG DAY!

My softstep arrived today, I have blogged my initial reactions to it at=20
http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892=20
<http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892>
I have also made a little film to celebrate its arrival, so you should=20
go to the blog to view that, but the main text I will juts paste below,=20
to get a thread going.. I have basically one main BEEF!!

Go see the film, then Read on!

Initial thoughts:  <http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892>
PROS:
Its Extremely well made (tank etc)
Very small, but usable (and very light!!! Goodbye FCB)
Seems to have a good feel (haven't tried it with anything other than the=20
software yet.)
CONS:
One tiny con,
I don=C2=B4t really believe that the pressure and 360degree movement is=20
actually very usable, not for musical purposes anyway, Im sure it takes=20
some practice, and sure I can SEE the sensors changing, but its not=20
really possible to smoothly increase a value (like you would need for a=20
pan or a volume or a wah. its a bit haphazard... I think you need tobe=20
wearing soft light shoes, something with a flat surface, which is a bit=20
aukward for us skandinavians who basically NEVER wear shoes indoors (not=20
the done thing due to sand/grit ruining parquet floors) I have to get=C2=A0=
=20
some "soft-stepping shoes".
  <http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892>
&  <http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892>
ONE HUGE CON!!!
The midi box=E2=80=A6 Needed for US hardware users.
Hmmm=E2=80=A6 is this an afterthought? Doesnt seem to fit withe the wonderf=
ully=20
designed pedal, light breakable, connected by, get this.. A MICRO USB=20
UGH!!!  How is it powered when NOT using USB (which is the only way you=20
WILL use it after all..) Well by another usb connection, into a USA USB=20
conector=E2=80=A6 I cant use that!!! And probably cant find one here with a=
 Euro=20
plug=E2=80=A6 WHAT WRONG WITH A FUCKING WALL WART??? Well OK we KNOW what i=
s=20
wrong, but a USB cable??? into a MICRO USB socket.. This with fail, NO=20
DOUBT ABOUT IT.. I have had a micro usb on my work cameras changes,=20
oohhh maybe 7 times? TOTALLY USELESS for a rock and roll product..=20
Because I think Keith Mac is forgetting this a bit, due to the fact that=20
is target group are profesional experimental violinists, and laptop=20
loopers=E2=80=A6 what about heavy footed guitarists..?=20
<http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892>
SOLUTION: They SHOULD have come up with a midi module that clamped  onto=20
the pedal, had MIANS (110/240 switchable) input socket, with midi=20
in/out. (and a mini usb for the convenience of programming from the=20
computer at the same time as having the hardwre plugged in.)
The module could have clicked into place around the current USB input.=20
OK the transformer would have added some weight, but this fiddlin=20
solution now, is gonna break, Im sure of it=E2=80=A6
Im going to try to mount the midi box IN my pedal board, and have a=20
short jumper cable over to the Softstep, but Im gonna be nervous!=20
<http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892>
OK grumble over=E2=80=A6 LOVE the pedal=E2=80=A6 OK better launch the progr=
am=E2=80=A6. BRB=E2=80=A6=20
<http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892>

  <http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892>
Mark
  <http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892>

--=20
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com <http://www.markfrancombe.com>
www.ordoabkhao.com <http://www.ordoabkhao.com>
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094 <http://vimeo.com/user825094>
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<DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LET=
TERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Mark,</FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZ=
E=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV=
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PACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Thanks for keep us in the loop.</FONT></DIV><FON=
T FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=
=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COL=
OR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">I'll be posting soon about=
 my adventures with the StringPort.</FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=
=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV =
ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSP=
ACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Ciao!</FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"=
2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIG=
N=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACIN=
G=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Ted</FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COL=
OR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"V=
erdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br>=
</FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#0000=
00" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:22 PM, mar=
k francombe wrote:</FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#=
000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><F=
ONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNI=
NG=3D"0">&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D"3">BIG DAY! </FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"=
Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br=
></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000=
000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">My softstep arrived today, I have bl=
ogged my initial reactions to it at <FONT COLOR=3D"#3333FF"><A HREF=3D"http=
://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892" TARGET=3D"_blank"><U>http://ww=
w.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892</U></A></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV ALIG=
N=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACIN=
G=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">I have also made a little film to celebrate its arriv=
al, so you should go to the blog to view that, but the main text I will jut=
s paste below, to get a thread going.. I have basically one main BEEF!! </F=
ONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=
=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" =
SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Go see the f=
ilm, then Read on! </FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"=
#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><=
FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERN=
ING=3D"0"><B>Initial thoughts: </B><FONT COLOR=3D"#3333FF"><A HREF=3D"http:=
//www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892" TARGET=3D"_blank"></A></FONT></=
FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#=
000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><B>PROS: </B></FONT></DIV><DIV AL=
IGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPAC=
ING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Its Extremely well made (tank etc) </FONT></DIV><DI=
V ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTER=
SPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Very small, but usable (and very light!!! Goodb=
ye FCB) </FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" =
COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Seems to have a good fe=
el (haven't tried it with anything other than the software yet.) </FONT></D=
IV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" =
LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><B>CONS: </B></FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"L=
EFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0=
" KERNING=3D"0">One tiny con, </FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=
=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"=
>I don=C2=B4t really believe that the pressure and 360degree movement is ac=
tually very usable, not for musical purposes anyway, Im sure it takes some =
practice, and sure I can SEE the sensors changing, but its not really possi=
ble to smoothly increase a value (like you would need for a pan or a volume=
 or a wah. its a bit haphazard... I think you need tobe wearing soft light =
shoes, something with a flat surface, which is a bit aukward for us skandin=
avians who basically NEVER wear shoes indoors (not the done thing due to sa=
nd/grit ruining parquet floors) I have to get=C2=A0 some &quot;soft-steppin=
g shoes&quot;. </FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=
=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#3333FF" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><A HREF=3D"http:=
//www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892" TARGET=3D"_blank"></A></FONT></=
DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000"=
 LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">&amp; <FONT COLOR=3D"#3333FF"><A HREF=3D=
"http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892" TARGET=3D"_blank"></A></F=
ONT></FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLO=
R=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">ONE HUGE CON!!! </FONT></DI=
V><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" L=
ETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">The midi box=E2=80=A6 Needed for US hardwa=
re users. </FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3=
" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Hmmm=E2=80=A6 is this=
 an afterthought? Doesnt seem to fit withe the wonderfully&nbsp; designed p=
edal, light breakable, connected by, get this.. A MICRO USB&nbsp; UGH!!!&nb=
sp; How is it powered when NOT using USB (which is the only way you&nbsp; W=
ILL use it after all..) Well by another usb connection, into a USA USB&nbsp=
; conector=E2=80=A6 I cant use that!!! And probably cant find one here with=
 a Euro&nbsp; plug=E2=80=A6 WHAT WRONG WITH A FUCKING WALL WART??? Well OK =
we KNOW what is&nbsp; wrong, but a USB cable??? into a MICRO USB socket.. T=
his with fail, NO&nbsp; DOUBT ABOUT IT.. I have had a micro usb on my work =
cameras changes,&nbsp; oohhh maybe 7 times? TOTALLY USELESS for a rock and =
roll product..&nbsp; Because I think Keith Mac is forgetting this a bit, du=
e to the fact that&nbsp; is target group are profesional experimental violi=
nists, and laptop&nbsp; loopers=E2=80=A6 what about heavy footed guitarists=
..? <FONT COLOR=3D"#3333FF"><A HREF=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpre=
ss/?p=3D892" TARGET=3D"_blank"></A></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT">=
<FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KER=
NING=3D"0">SOLUTION: They SHOULD have come up with a midi module that clamp=
ed&nbsp; onto the pedal, had MIANS (110/240 switchable) input socket, with =
midi&nbsp; in/out. (and a mini usb for the convenience of programming from =
the&nbsp; computer at the same time as having the hardwre plugged in.) </FO=
NT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#00=
0000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">The module could have clicked into =
place around the current USB input.&nbsp; OK the transformer would have add=
ed some weight, but this fiddlin&nbsp; solution now, is gonna break, Im sur=
e of it=E2=80=A6 </FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SI=
ZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Im going to tr=
y to mount the midi box IN my pedal board, and have a&nbsp; short jumper ca=
ble over to the Softstep, but Im gonna be nervous! <FONT COLOR=3D"#3333FF">=
<A HREF=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892" TARGET=3D"_blan=
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=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">OK grumble over=
=E2=80=A6 LOVE the pedal=E2=80=A6 OK better launch the program=E2=80=A6. BR=
B=E2=80=A6 <FONT COLOR=3D"#3333FF"><A HREF=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com/=
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Thanks for the size comparison with the FCB: it really says so much.
Nice video ..and take care, they would love to have it on their
website....;-)

fabio

2010/10/30 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>

> just after I posted to LD, the wife said she didnt want a video of our son
> on the net... bit late really, Ive got lots, and theres gigs of photos..
> but.. you know...
>
> Anyway Ill unlock it for tonight.. its just abit of fun anyway..
>
> so for a limited time... go see may Softstep unwrap movie...
>
>
> http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Sean Echevarria <
> fuckthespam@creepingfog.com> wrote:
>
>> The vid is private - intentional?
>>
>>
>>
>> At 2010.10.29 12:22 PM, mark francombe wrote:
>>
>>> BIG DAY!
>>>
>>> My softstep arrived today, I have blogged my initial reactions to it at <
>>> http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892>
>>> http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892
>>>
>>> I have also made a little film to celebrate its arrival, so you should go
>>> to the blog to view that, but the main text I will juts paste below, to get
>>> a thread going.. I have basically one main BEEF!!
>>>
>>> Go see the film, then Read on!
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
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<div>Thanks for the size comparison with the FCB: it really says so much.</=
div>
<div>Nice video ..and=A0take care, they would love to have it on their webs=
ite....;-)</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>fabio<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/10/30 mark francombe <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com">mark@markfrancombe.com</a>&gt;</s=
pan><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">just after I posted to LD, the w=
ife said she didnt want a video of our son on the net... bit late really, I=
ve got lots, and theres gigs of photos.. but.. you know... <br>
<br>Anyway Ill unlock it for tonight.. its just abit of fun anyway..<br><br=
>so for a limited time... go see may Softstep unwrap movie...=20
<div class=3D"im"><br><br><a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress=
/?p=3D892" target=3D"_blank">http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D89=
2</a><br><br></div><font color=3D"#888888">Mark</font>=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Sean Echevarria=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fuckthespam@creepingfog.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">fuckthespam@creepingfog.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0=
pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">The vid is private -=
 intentional?=20
<div><br><br><br>At 2010.10.29 12:22 PM, mark francombe wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0=
pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">BIG DAY!<br><br>My s=
oftstep arrived today, I have blogged my initial reactions to it at &lt;<a =
href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892</a>&gt;<a href=3D"http://ww=
w.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892" target=3D"_blank">http://www.markfr=
ancombe.com/wordpress/?p=3D892</a>=20
<div><br>I have also made a little film to celebrate its arrival, so you sh=
ould go to the blog to view that, but the main text I will juts paste below=
, to get a thread going.. I have basically one main BEEF!!<br><br>Go see th=
e film, then Read on!<br>
</div></blockquote><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br></div><=
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Have you ordered the stringport Ted? I'm curious about the interface as I'm=
 thinking of using it on a PC.

Peace

Gareth


Thanks for keep us in the loop.
I'll be posting soon about my adventures with the StringPort.
Ciao!
Ted

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hello,

I am looking to upgrade my 2003 PowerBook to a MacBook pro. It is possible to 
upgrade the internal drive to a 7200 RPM but it is a bit pricey and takes time: 
you must order it from Apple Store. Is it really a necessary : I will be doing 
live recording of my concerts with as many as 16 tracks over firewire (Yamaha 
mLAN to be specific). 


Antony Hequet




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To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sat, October 30, 2010 9:54:02 AM
Subject: RE: THE SOFTSTEP HAS ARRIVED!!

 Have you ordered the stringport Ted? I'm curious about the interface as I'm 
thinking of using it on a PC.

Peace

Gareth



Thanks for keep us in the loop.

I'll be posting soon about my adventures with the StringPort.

Ciao!

Ted


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>hello,<br><br>I am looking to upgrade my 2003 PowerBook to a MacBook pro. It is possible to upgrade the internal drive to a 7200 RPM but it is a bit pricey and takes time: you must order it from Apple Store. Is it really a necessary : I will be doing live recording of my concerts with as many as 16 tracks over firewire (Yamaha mLAN to be specific). <br><br>Antony Hequet<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Gareth Whittock &lt;buddhamachine@live.co.uk&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight:
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<font style="font-size: 10pt;" color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="2">Have you ordered the stringport Ted? I'm curious about the interface as I'm thinking of using it on a PC.<br><br>Peace<br><br>Gareth<br><br><br></font><div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="2">Thanks for keep us in the loop.</font></div><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="2"><br></font><div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="2">I'll be posting soon about my adventures with the StringPort.</font></div><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="2"><br></font><div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="2">Ciao!</font></div><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="2"><br></font><div align="LEFT"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="2">Ted</font></div><font color="#000000" face="Verdana" size="2"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" color="#3333ff" face="Verdana" size="3"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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Damn, I missed it! It's back to private now. :)

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Daryl Shawn <darylshawn@gmail.com> wrote:

> Best product demo video ever!
>
> Daryl Shawn
> www.swanwelder.com
>
>
>  just after I posted to LD, the wife said she didnt want a video of our son
>> on the net... bit late really, Ive got lots, and theres gigs of photos..
>> but.. you know...
>>
>> Anyway Ill unlock it for tonight.. its just abit of fun anyway..
>>
>> so for a limited time... go see may Softstep unwrap movie...
>>
>> http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892
>>
>> Mark
>>
>

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Damn, I missed it! It&#39;s back to private now. :)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Daryl Shawn <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:darylshawn@gmail.com">darylshawn@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Best product demo video ever!<br>
<br>
Daryl Shawn<br>
<a href="http://www.swanwelder.com" target="_blank">www.swanwelder.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
just after I posted to LD, the wife said she didnt want a video of our son on the net... bit late really, Ive got lots, and theres gigs of photos.. but.. you know...<br>
<br>
Anyway Ill unlock it for tonight.. its just abit of fun anyway..<br>
<br>
so for a limited time... go see may Softstep unwrap movie...<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892" target="_blank">http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=892</a><br>
<br>
Mark<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote></div><br>

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Join me if you will for my Halloween show tonight live on Ustream! Anything
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Where: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/loopydroneyglitchywacky-presents
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When: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html
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Looping will abound natch!

peace out,

J

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On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 9:59 AM,  <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am looking to upgrade my 2003 PowerBook to a MacBook pro. It is possible
> to upgrade the internal drive to a 7200 RPM but it is a bit pricey and takes
> time: you must order it from Apple Store. Is it really a necessary : I will
> be doing live recording of my concerts with as many as 16 tracks


If you will record to the system disc I would guess 7200 is necessary.
But I don't understand why you want to do that? Personally I always
look for laptops with a slower drive (I think that qualifies better
for music application since it makes the machine less loud) and the
fastest CPU and system bus I can find. Then I use several external
firewire drives for recording.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub

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What external drive would you recommend?
Antony

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-10-30, at 15:06, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 9:59 AM,  <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am looking to upgrade my 2003 PowerBook to a MacBook pro. It is possible
to upgrade the internal drive to a 7200 RPM but it is a bit pricey and takes
time: you must order it from Apple Store. Is it really a necessary : I will
be doing live recording of my concerts with as many as 16 tracks


If you will record to the system disc I would guess 7200 is necessary.
But I don't understand why you want to do that? Personally I always
look for laptops with a slower drive (I think that qualifies better
for music application since it makes the machine less loud) and the
fastest CPU and system bus I can find. Then I use several external
firewire drives for recording.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub




      

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On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Antony Hequet <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What external drive would you recommend?

Sorry, I don't know anything about different brands or even being
interested in technical sufficiency. Even within a brand the drives
seem to differ regarding different size. But things might have changed
in the last years. I've been using he same LaCie drives for almost a
decade. My guess is that most external firewire drives you can buy
today is good for the job... just beware of the models that are
marketed by slogans as "less expensive" or "extremely compact".

Per

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I was just gonna say, that I have used many different brands of external
HD... the ONLY ones that have NEVER failed are those orange LaCie drives
with the rubber edges.

When I first started using them (maybe 6 years ago) the guy said "Its what
the cameramen take to Iraq)

Thats good enough for me...

If they are fast enought to render film on, they are surley fast enough for
Audio, dont cha think

Mark


On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Antony Hequet <antonyhequet@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > What external drive would you recommend?
>
> Sorry, I don't know anything about different brands or even being
> interested in technical sufficiency. Even within a brand the drives
> seem to differ regarding different size. But things might have changed
> in the last years. I've been using he same LaCie drives for almost a
> decade. My guess is that most external firewire drives you can buy
> today is good for the job... just beware of the models that are
> marketed by slogans as "less expensive" or "extremely compact".
>
> Per
>
>


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I was just gonna say, that I have used many different brands of external HD=
... the ONLY ones that have NEVER failed are those orange LaCie drives with=
 the rubber edges.<div><br></div><div>When I first started using them (mayb=
e 6 years ago) the guy said &quot;Its what the cameramen take to Iraq)</div=
>

<div><br></div><div>Thats good enough for me...</div><div><br></div><div>If=
 they are fast enought to render film on, they are surley fast enough for A=
udio, dont cha think</div><div><br></div><div>Mark</div><div><br><br><div c=
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On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
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1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Antony Hequet &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:antony=
hequet@yahoo.com">antonyhequet@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; What external drive would you recommend?<br>
<br>
Sorry, I don&#39;t know anything about different brands or even being<br>
interested in technical sufficiency. Even within a brand the drives<br>
seem to differ regarding different size. But things might have changed<br>
in the last years. I&#39;ve been using he same LaCie drives for almost a<br=
>
decade. My guess is that most external firewire drives you can buy<br>
today is good for the job... just beware of the models that are<br>
marketed by slogans as &quot;less expensive&quot; or &quot;extremely compac=
t&quot;.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<b=
r><a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br>twitter @markf=
rancombe<br>

<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br>=
<a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no</a><br>
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> the ONLY ones that have NEVER failed are those orange LaCie drives =
with the rubber edges.

Mine died with little use and no abuse.=20

I mention this only to emphasize that you're really never safe with any =
one hard drive, though your odds may generally be slightly better with =
one brand or another.=20

So back it up!

Does this mean I think two cheep drives are better then one expensive =
one?=20

Yes, why yes it does.=20


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> the ONLY ones that have NEVER failed are those orange LaCie drives =
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On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Christopher Darrow <thedarrow@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mine died with little use and no abuse.
>
> I mention this only to emphasize that you're really never safe with any one hard drive, though your odds may generally be slightly better with one brand or another.
>
> So back it up!


Can't be stated too often! I use two external firewire LaCie drives
and they contain the same data. As soon as a recording session is over
I copy the project folder with my work documents and audio files to
the other drive. So if ever one dies I won't loose any work.

Another aspect of having two drives is to save time by not having to
use those time consuming "disc health applications" to defrag drives.
What I do is to simply wipe one drive (reformat) and drop-n-drag all
stuff again from the other drive. This gives a new and optimal disc
access to those huge audio files (computer systems, and especially
hard drives, are not designed to handle such huge files under the
pressure of doing stuff in time that music applications demands and as
a result the system may store files "less wisely" on the disc)

For backing up daily business work on the system drive (text files
etc) I can recommend Time Machine if using a Mac. I have a cigarette
package sized USB drive for that. Not to be recommended for audio work
though! ;-)

per

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Very quick report...

After a very few software headaches, I VERY QUICKLY got a bank of pedals
working with the EDP. I didnt have to program the NOTE OFFS although that IS
possible. This enables allsorts of nice sus things like press down for
reverse, when you release the pedal, go to half speed.

There ARE some silly things, but I havent figured out if its just cos Im not
doing things the sensible way. Like when you have programed somthing for a
button, it gets to be in a drop down menu. So you can select it easily again
on a different BANK.. sorry Scene (still in FCB world) .. BUT that finctin
is ONLY available on THAT button, so if you want RECORD to be on button 1 on
one bank and button 4 on another bank, you cant just select it... bit silly,
and I suspect its a bug.

I HAVE hade some odd things happening on the EDP without me pressing at all,
have to figure out if that an EDP issue.. may be.

Main thing for me is the switch pressure. I find it VERY hard to ensure a
good, well timed press. as there is no "click" i means the most reliable
method is to STAMP HARD!!!

I have tried to adjust the sensitivity, but haven't really noticed a
difference as yet.

There is no issue with accidentally triggering adjacent pads, as they
disable any pad in the area of foot stampage (so if you wanna use the
multitouch stomping, its best to move those 2 pads far apart) I have on bank
where I have 2 substitutes on either end of the softstep. One is for my
first EDP and one is for the second, and I can feed stuff into 1, 2 or both
at the same time, which is nice.

Thats it for now... food shopping to be done... BOOOO who needs to eat...?

BTW, Is anyone interested in an online app where you can save/share you
pedal arrangements. (What you put on different Banks etc)  During Y2K-X I
discussed with a few people how they set up their FCBs and what-not, I
thought it was pretty interesting the variation.
Anyway, Im toying with creating a form where you can save a profile and then
add functions you use on what buttons, and even add new functions (like
scripts).

It wont DO anything just a way to document it on the web and show each
other.. maybe theres a simple solution to this however?




Mark

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Very quick report...
<div><br></div><div>After a very few software headaches, I VERY QUICKLY got=
 a bank of pedals working with the EDP. I didnt have to program the NOTE OF=
FS although that IS possible. This enables allsorts of nice sus things like=
 press down for reverse, when you release the pedal, go to half speed.</div=
>

<div><br></div><div>There ARE some silly things, but I havent figured out i=
f its just cos Im not doing things the sensible way. Like when you have pro=
gramed somthing for a button, it gets to be in a drop down menu. So you can=
 select it easily again on a different BANK.. sorry Scene (still in FCB wor=
ld) .. BUT that finctin is ONLY available on THAT button, so if you want RE=
CORD to be on button 1 on one bank and button 4 on another bank, you cant j=
ust select it... bit silly, and I suspect its a bug.</div>

<div><br></div><div>I HAVE hade some odd things happening on the EDP withou=
t me pressing at all, have to figure out if that an EDP issue.. may be.=A0<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Main thing for me is the switch pressure. I find i=
t VERY hard to ensure a good, well timed press. as there is no &quot;click&=
quot; i means the most reliable method is to STAMP HARD!!!=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>I have tried to adjust the=A0sensitivity, but=A0haven&#=
39;t=A0really=A0noticed a difference as yet.</div><div><br></div><div>There=
 is no issue with=A0accidentally=A0triggering adjacent pads, as they disabl=
e any pad in the area of foot stampage (so if you wanna use the multitouch =
stomping, its best to move those 2 pads far apart) I have on bank where I h=
ave 2 substitutes on either end of the softstep. One is for my first EDP an=
d one is for the second, and I can feed stuff into 1, 2 or both at the same=
 time, which is nice.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Thats it for now... food shopping to be done... BOOOO w=
ho needs to eat...?</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, Is anyone interested in a=
n online app where you can save/share you pedal arrangements. (What you put=
 on different Banks etc) =A0During Y2K-X I discussed with a few people how =
they set up their FCBs and what-not, I thought it was pretty interesting th=
e variation.</div>

<div>Anyway, Im toying with creating a form where you can save a profile an=
d then add functions you use on what buttons, and even add new functions (l=
ike scripts).</div><div><br></div><div>It wont DO anything just a way to do=
cument it on the web and show each other.. maybe theres a simple solution t=
o this however?</div>

<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Mark</div>

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Gareth,

I don't know that it's PC compatible (though it might be, I don't know).

You should read up on that.

I received mine about a week ago but have been too busy with work and  
family to delve into it much.

I need fewer distraction right now.

I'll post about it when I can.

Best,

Ted

On Oct 30, 2010, at 12:54 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote:

> Have you ordered the stringport Ted? I'm curious about the interface  
> as I'm thinking of using it on a PC.
>
> Peace
>
> Gareth
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>
> Thanks for keep us in the loop.
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> Ciao!
>
> Ted
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Does anyone know what A L means on the EDP?

Im actually not understanding why, but my second EDP is responding to
softstep button presses designed for EDP 1, even tho it is set to a
different MIDI channel.

I press my softstep button 6 to enable RECORD on EDP1. No problems with
EDP1. On EDP 2 it goes into F.SP then after a beat ( a loop or a cycle
maybe) it displays A L.

I dont know what that is...



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Does anyone know what A L means on the EDP?<div><br></div><div>Im actually not understanding why, but my second EDP is responding to softstep button presses designed for EDP 1, even tho it is set to a different MIDI channel.</div>

<div><br></div><div>I press my softstep button 6 to enable RECORD on EDP1. No problems with EDP1. On EDP 2 it goes into F.SP then after a beat ( a loop or a cycle maybe) it displays A L.</div><div><br></div><div>I dont know what that is...</div>

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mark francombe wrote:
> Does anyone know what A L means on the EDP?

yes

> 
> Im actually not understanding why, but my second EDP is responding to 
> softstep button presses designed for EDP 1, even tho it is set to a 
> different MIDI channel.
> 
> I press my softstep button 6 to enable RECORD on EDP1. No problems with 
> EDP1. On EDP 2 it goes into F.SP then after a beat ( a loop or a cycle 
> maybe) it displays A L.

A L   is displayed when the EDP is waiting to re-align to an
incoming sync.
There's a couple of direct midi buttons that do that, one
with mute, one without,
but the most common appearance of the function is when the user 
hits Mute followed by Multiply.

> 
> I dont know what that is...

Looks like the Softstep is sending extra commands.

Stop jumping up and down on it.

andy


> 
> 
> 
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I'm pretty sure it's pc-compatible; the sw is in Max, the connection is usb=
.
it would be too weird for it not to be

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:34 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>w=
rote:

> Gareth,
>
> I don't know that it's PC compatible (though it might be, I don't know).
>
> You should read up on that.
>
> I received mine about a week ago but have been too busy with work and
> family to delve into it much.
>
> I need fewer distraction right now.
>
> I'll post about it when I can.
>
> Best,
>
> Ted
>
>
> On Oct 30, 2010, at 12:54 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote:
>
>  Have you ordered the stringport Ted? I'm curious about the interface as
>> I'm thinking of using it on a PC.
>>
>> Peace
>>
>> Gareth
>>
>>
>> Thanks for keep us in the loop.
>>
>> I'll be posting soon about my adventures with the StringPort.
>>
>> Ciao!
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>
>


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I&#39;m pretty sure it&#39;s pc-compatible; the sw is in Max, the connectio=
n is usb. it would be too weird for it not to be<br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:34 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tedkillian@charter.net">tedkillian@charter.net</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Gareth,<br>
<br>
I don&#39;t know that it&#39;s PC compatible (though it might be, I don&#39=
;t know).<br>
<br>
You should read up on that.<br>
<br>
I received mine about a week ago but have been too busy with work and famil=
y to delve into it much.<br>
<br>
I need fewer distraction right now.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ll post about it when I can.<br>
<br>
Best,<br><font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
Ted</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On Oct 30, 2010, at 12:54 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Have you ordered the stringport Ted? I&#39;m curious about the interface as=
 I&#39;m thinking of using it on a PC.<br>
<br>
Peace<br>
<br>
Gareth<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks for keep us in the loop.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ll be posting soon about my adventures with the StringPort.<br>
<br>
Ciao!<br>
<br>
Ted<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><=
a href=3D"http://www.warrensirota.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.warrens=
irota.com</a><br>Latest CD: Loops, Live &amp; Otw<br><a href=3D"http://www.=
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On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 7:04 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Looks like the Softstep is sending extra commands.


thats what Im afraid of...




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thank you Per,

this is most useful info.

Antony



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On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Christopher Darrow <thedarrow@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mine died with little use and no abuse.
>
> I mention this only to emphasize that you're really never safe with any one 
>hard drive, though your odds may generally be slightly better with one brand or 
>another.
>
> So back it up!


Can't be stated too often! I use two external firewire LaCie drives
and they contain the same data. As soon as a recording session is over
I copy the project folder with my work documents and audio files to
the other drive. So if ever one dies I won't loose any work.

Another aspect of having two drives is to save time by not having to
use those time consuming "disc health applications" to defrag drives.
What I do is to simply wipe one drive (reformat) and drop-n-drag all
stuff again from the other drive. This gives a new and optimal disc
access to those huge audio files (computer systems, and especially
hard drives, are not designed to handle such huge files under the
pressure of doing stuff in time that music applications demands and as
a result the system may store files "less wisely" on the disc)

For backing up daily business work on the system drive (text files
etc) I can recommend Time Machine if using a Mac. I have a cigarette
package sized USB drive for that. Not to be recommended for audio work
though! ;-)

per


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>thank you Per,</div><div><br></div><div>this is most useful info.</div><div><br></div><div>Antony</div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Per Boysen &lt;perboysen@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sat, October 30, 2010 5:12:26 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: 7200 HD for live recording<br></font><br>
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Christopher Darrow &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:thedarrow@gmail.com" href="mailto:thedarrow@gmail.com">thedarrow@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; Mine died with little use and no abuse.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I mention this only to emphasize that you're really never safe with any one hard drive, though your odds may generally be slightly better with one brand or another.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; So back it up!<br><br><br>Can't be stated too often! I use two external firewire LaCie drives<br>and they contain the same data. As soon as a recording session is over<br>I copy the project folder with my work documents and audio files to<br>the other drive. So if ever one dies I won't loose any work.<br><br>Another aspect of having two drives is to save time by not having to<br>use those time consuming "disc health applications" to defrag drives.<br>What I do is to simply wipe one drive (reformat) and drop-n-drag all<br>stuff again from the other
 drive. This gives a new and optimal disc<br>access to those huge audio files (computer systems, and especially<br>hard drives, are not designed to handle such huge files under the<br>pressure of doing stuff in time that music applications demands and as<br>a result the system may store files "less wisely" on the disc)<br><br>For backing up daily business work on the system drive (text files<br>etc) I can recommend Time Machine if using a Mac. I have a cigarette<br>package sized USB drive for that. Not to be recommended for audio work<br>though! ;-)<br><br>per<br><br></div></div><div style="position:fixed"></div>


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Yes=2C the hardware is PC compatible. Since I currently use a 13pin to jack=
 converter into a large(ish) soundcard=2C I was hoping to reduce my gear fo=
otprint.
I'd like to check the noise/distortion figures though=2C (can't find them o=
n their website)

Have fun and report back Ted

Gareth

Date: Sat=2C 30 Oct 2010 13:12:58 -0400
Subject: Re: THE SOFTSTEP HAS ARRIVED!!
From: wsirota@wsdesigns.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I'm pretty sure it's pc-compatible=3B the sw is in Max=2C the connection is=
 usb. it would be too weird for it not to be

On Sat=2C Oct 30=2C 2010 at 11:34 AM=2C tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter=
.net> wrote:

Gareth=2C



I don't know that it's PC compatible (though it might be=2C I don't know).



You should read up on that.



I received mine about a week ago but have been too busy with work and famil=
y to delve into it much.



I need fewer distraction right now.



I'll post about it when I can.



Best=2C



Ted



On Oct 30=2C 2010=2C at 12:54 AM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote:




Have you ordered the stringport Ted? I'm curious about the interface as I'm=
 thinking of using it on a PC.



Peace



Gareth





Thanks for keep us in the loop.



I'll be posting soon about my adventures with the StringPort.



Ciao!



Ted








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br>Subject: Re: THE SOFTSTEP HAS ARRIVED!!<br>From: wsirota@wsdesigns.com<b=
r>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><br>I'm pretty sure it's pc-co=
mpatible=3B the sw is in Max=2C the connection is usb. it would be too weir=
d for it not to be<br><br><div class=3D"ecxgmail_quote">On Sat=2C Oct 30=2C=
 2010 at 11:34 AM=2C tEd =AE KiLLiAn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=3B<a href=3D"mai=
lto:tedkillian@charter.net">tedkillian@charter.net</a>&gt=3B</span> wrote:<=
br>
<blockquote class=3D"ecxgmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(20=
4=2C 204=2C 204)=3B padding-left: 1ex=3B">Gareth=2C<br>
<br>
I don't know that it's PC compatible (though it might be=2C I don't know).<=
br>
<br>
You should read up on that.<br>
<br>
I received mine about a week ago but have been too busy with work and famil=
y to delve into it much.<br>
<br>
I need fewer distraction right now.<br>
<br>
I'll post about it when I can.<br>
<br>
Best=2C<br><font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
Ted</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On Oct 30=2C 2010=2C at 12:54 AM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"ecxgmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(20=
4=2C 204=2C 204)=3B padding-left: 1ex=3B">
Have you ordered the stringport Ted? I'm curious about the interface as I'm=
 thinking of using it on a PC.<br>
<br>
Peace<br>
<br>
Gareth<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks for keep us in the loop.<br>
<br>
I'll be posting soon about my adventures with the StringPort.<br>
<br>
Ciao!<br>
<br>
Ted<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><=
a href=3D"http://www.warrensirota.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.warrens=
irota.com</a><br>Latest CD: Loops=2C Live &amp=3B Otw<br><a href=3D"http://=
www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota" target=3D"_blank">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/=
warrensirota</a><br> 		 	   		  </body>
</html>=

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On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:25 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Very quick report...

Thank you, Mark.

Gearwire has published a little longer review here:
http://www.gearwire.com/kmi-soft-step-multi-touch-usb-midi-foot-controller.html

>From Keith McMillen's company I heard that they now have units in stock.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub

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I am thinking about selling my trusty eHX 2880 and getting a boomerang III.

There have been some reports here on it but wondered if anyone has any new
reviews on how they are liking it.

Even better would be someone who has used both the 2880 and the Rang III for
a more direct idea of the differences/similarities.

thanks,

Jeff

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I am thinking about selling my trusty eHX 2880 and getting a boomerang III.=
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any new reviews on how they are liking it.<br><br>Even better would be some=
one who has used both the 2880 and the Rang III for a more direct idea of t=
he differences/similarities.<br>
<br>thanks,<br><br>Jeff <br><br><br>

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This just showed up tonite over at TGP:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=797746

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> I am thinking about selling my trusty eHX 2880 and getting a boomerang
III.
>
> There have been some reports here on it but wondered if anyone has any new
> reviews on how they are liking it.
>
> Even better would be someone who has used both the 2880 and the Rang III
for
> a more direct idea of the differences/similarities.
>
> thanks,
>
> Jeff
>

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We have had a excellent thread event this weekend on ImprovFriday in the
spirit of Halloween.  ImprovFriday if you don't know is an experimental
music community on the Ning network at http://improvfriday.ning.com which
some of us from LD are participating members.

Each weekend we have an open call for work created for the thread which
begins Thur afternoon and concludes Saturday evening at 10pm PST.  The
musical works are all posted under Creative Commons and many of them evolve
getting 'mashed' in to other pieces.

All the work created during the event is left posted on the ImprovFriday
front page through the following Thursday.  Take a listen at
http://improvfriday.ning.com and even better consider joining in next time.
Topping off last evening Jeff Duke did an excellent live video webcast in
the 'spirit' via
uStream<http://www.ustream.tv/channel/loopydroneyglitchywacky-presents>host=
ed
on the ImprovFriday page.

I contributed three violin trax to the thread, all created with my new down
sized looping rig which traveled with me to Loopfest.

Happy Hallows...

Jim

--=20
>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &
Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com

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We have had a excellent thread event this weekend on ImprovFriday in the sp=
irit of Halloween.=A0 ImprovFriday if you don&#39;t know is an experimental=
 music community on the Ning network at <a href=3D"http://improvfriday.ning=
.com">http://improvfriday.ning.com</a> which some of us from LD are partici=
pating members.<br>
<br>Each weekend we have an open call for work created for the thread which=
 begins Thur afternoon and concludes Saturday evening at 10pm PST.=A0 The m=
usical works are all posted under Creative Commons and many of them evolve =
getting &#39;mashed&#39; in to other pieces.<br>
<br>All the work created during the event is left posted on the ImprovFrida=
y front page through the following Thursday.=A0 Take a listen at <a href=3D=
"http://improvfriday.ning.com">http://improvfriday.ning.com</a> and even be=
tter consider joining in next time.=A0 Topping off last evening Jeff Duke d=
id an excellent live video webcast in the &#39;spirit&#39; via <a href=3D"h=
ttp://www.ustream.tv/channel/loopydroneyglitchywacky-presents">uStream</a> =
hosted on the ImprovFriday page.<br>
<br>I contributed three violin trax to the thread, all created with my new =
down sized looping rig which traveled with me to Loopfest.<br><br>Happy Hal=
lows...<br><br>Jim<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>From Brooklyn To Glindran, a=
 new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Procee=
ds<br>
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 <a href=3D"htt=
p://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com">jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com</a>.=
<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a=
><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a=
><br><a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com">woodandwiremusic.wor=
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Thanks for that, looks good,  would like to see it used in an ambient
unsynced mode with the version 2 upgrade.

Like if you have one track fading while you are recording another if you
follow me, Just how independent are these tracks?
Can a track fade even when not in overdub? Probably not but it would be a
good thing.
separate reverse and half speed for all unsynced tracks.

Can it still do the reverse thing that I used to love on the old one?
Through input mute I think it was called.

It seems there is always a gotcha with loopers, some if only or two :)

J

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:32 AM, d.nix <d.nix@comcast.net> wrote:

> This just showed up tonite over at TGP:
>
> http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=797746
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Duke" <jeffloops@gmail.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:22 PM
> Subject: Boomerang 3
>
>
> > I am thinking about selling my trusty eHX 2880 and getting a boomerang
> III.
> >
> > There have been some reports here on it but wondered if anyone has any
> new
> > reviews on how they are liking it.
> >
> > Even better would be someone who has used both the 2880 and the Rang III
> for
> > a more direct idea of the differences/similarities.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
>

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Thanks for that, looks good,=A0 would like to see it used in an ambient uns=
ynced mode with the version 2 upgrade.<br><br>Like if you have one track fa=
ding while you are recording another if you follow me, Just how independent=
 are these tracks? <br>
Can a track fade even when not in overdub? Probably not but it would be a g=
ood thing.<br>separate reverse and half speed for all unsynced tracks.<br><=
br>Can it still do the reverse thing that I used to love on the old one? Th=
rough input mute I think it was called.<br>
<br>It seems there is always a gotcha with loopers, some if only or two :) =
<br><br>J<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:32 A=
M, d.nix <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:d.nix@comcast.net">d.nix@c=
omcast.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">This just showed =
up tonite over at TGP:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=3D797746" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=3D797746</a=
><br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: &quot;Jeff Duke&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeffloops@gmail.com">jeff=
loops@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Deli=
ght@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:22 PM<br>
Subject: Boomerang 3<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; I am thinking about selling my trusty eHX 2880 and getting a boomerang=
<br>
III.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; There have been some reports here on it but wondered if anyone has any=
 new<br>
&gt; reviews on how they are liking it.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Even better would be someone who has used both the 2880 and the Rang I=
II<br>
for<br>
&gt; a more direct idea of the differences/similarities.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; thanks,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Jeff<br>
&gt;<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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I love my Boomerang III !! I have been straddling the fence since I =
starting looping which way to go laptop or hardware. I continue to make =
attempts with both but the Rang 3 has been the most productive way for =
me to work so far. =46rom my perspective, I mostly do song style looping =
with another musician and with the Boomerang it just gets the job done =
and I 'm not spending time learning new software with an endless upgrade =
path. It has a really small footprint which I like because I sit down =
when I play my instrument and only have so much available space to reach =
pedals with my foot. The Boomerang has lots of features but the downside =
is that you can have 4 engaged at any one time. (with a long or short =
press of the Bonus green/yellow buttons) This is actually a feature for =
me because I get more music done with less features. If you are somebody =
that would half the tempo, reverse, stutter, overdub, undo/redo, and =
fade out all in the same tune the Boomerang could be frustrating because =
the buttons you use to change the function of the yellow/green bonus =
buttons are extremely small and I would only feel doing in between =
songs.
I'll post some videos of me doing some cover tunes soon that I arranged =
for the purpose of learning the rang 3 and an M9.


-Todd Matthews


On Oct 31, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:

> I am thinking about selling my trusty eHX 2880 and getting a boomerang =
III.
>=20
> There have been some reports here on it but wondered if anyone has any =
new reviews on how they are liking it.
>=20
> Even better would be someone who has used both the 2880 and the Rang =
III for a more direct idea of the differences/similarities.
>=20
> thanks,
>=20
> Jeff=20
>=20
>=20

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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Fabio_A
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
  Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"
  Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:04:49 +0200

  2010/10/26 Mark Showalter <folkstone57@operamail.com>
  > > > Mark S. wrote:
  >
  > > But my original question was: what is art or a definition of what
  > > is or constitutes art.
  >
  > I'd say: communication coherent to the artist's intention.

    No clue what your definittion means.

  =A0Sorry, it's rather difficult for me discussing about that in my non
  native language, but I'll try again.=A0Let's start with this: art is a
  form of "communication" between the artist and the public, isn't it=A0?
  Yes, I agree.
  It should be "coherent" to the artist intention means that the work
  must have an intent and that intent is well rapresented.
  Sure, but this also is moving towards the ability of the artist to
  create art. So, someone with 2 years experience would probably be
  less able than someone with 30 years experience. I'm speakling in
  general here as in all things being equal & leaving out the instant
  genius & the person who will never improve.

  The first=A0is=A0an idea or a=A0magician or so....catched by the artist=
=A0and
  represented in his piece of art made=A0in studio
  or=A0even=A0improvised=A0when the artist must lives deeply=A0the intentio=
n to
  explore and bring people into new territories while he's making art."Cohe=
rent"
  means that the artist must be able to builds new "bridges" to connect
  public with that idea or magician.
  I on't know what "magician" =A0means here so I think you may be
  translating a word into English incorrectly. I think I understand
  your use of "coherent", so =A0I'm good so far.......I hope.

    > IMHO, Art is "a value" shared between the artist and the public
    > that just works on a different level of our brain and in a
    > subjective way.

    OK, but different level from what? Also, why only subjective? Can
    art not also be viewed objectively?

  =A0- "Dirrent level" respect our normal state of exploring, knowing,
  undestanding, liking or disliking=A0things. IMHO, Art talks to each
  trough "channels" (if it does making sense for you)
  that=A0are=A0different from the usual ones and that could be different
  from person to person.
  I wouldn't say different channels but rather hightened or something
  like that.=A0- Not "only subjective", but "mostly" subjective: we can
  feel the same piece of art 'cos we are connected to that piece of art
  trough the "same channel". Or you consider Art something that doesn't
  say nothing to me, just because that "channel" doesn't work for me.
  Sure, personal taste, awareness of the message, cultural differences,
  etc. all lead to how the person experiencing the piece of art will
  either get it or not. Here is also where objective experience comes
  into place. For instance, in the "1812 Overture" if you don't
  recognize the French theme the historical aspect of the music won't
  be realized. When I look at Hindu art most of the characters are
  meaningless to me because I simply don't know who they are or what
  they represent. So, even though I can see the beauty of the piece I
  have no understanding of the meaning or the story it's from, etc.

  Hope it makes sense. =A0Me too, let me know how I did!
  fabio=A0




Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

myspace.com/folkstone57
http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter[IMAGE]

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g-left:5px;">----- Original Message -----<br>
From: Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com><br>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
Subject: Re: Great speech video on "Sound"<br>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:04:49 +0200<br>
<br>

<div>2010/10/26 Mark Showalter <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:folk=
stone57@operamail.com">folkstone57@operamail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>&gt; &gt=
; &gt; Mark S. wrote: <br>&gt; <br>&gt; &gt; But my original question was: =
what is art or a definition of what <br>
&gt; &gt; is or constitutes art. <br>&gt; <br>&gt; I'd say: communication c=
oherent to the artist's intention. <br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div><font size=3D"4"><u>No clue what your definittion means.</u></font></d=
iv></blockquote>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>
<div>Sorry, it's rather difficult for me discussing about that in my non na=
tive language, but I'll try again.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Let's start with this: art is a form of "communication" between the ar=
tist and the public, isn't it=A0?</div><div><br></div><div><u><font size=3D=
"4">Yes, I agree.</font></u></div><div><br></div>
<div>It should be "coherent" to the artist intention means that the work mu=
st have an intent and that intent is well rapresented.</div><div><br></div>=
<div><u><font size=3D"4">Sure, but this also is moving towards the ability =
of the artist to create art. So, someone with 2 years experience would prob=
ably be less able than someone with 30 years experience. I'm speakling in g=
eneral here as in all things being equal &amp; leaving out the instant geni=
us &amp; the person who will never improve.</font></u></div><div><u><font s=
ize=3D"4"><br></font></u></div><div><br></div>
<div>The first=A0is=A0an idea or a=A0magician or so....catched by the artis=
t=A0and represented in his piece of art made=A0in studio or=A0even=A0improv=
ised=A0when the artist must lives deeply=A0the intention to explore and bri=
ng people into new territories while he's making art.</div>

<div>"Coherent" means that the artist must be able to builds new "bridges" =
to connect public with that idea or magician.</div></div>
<div><br></div><div><u><font size=3D"4">I on't know what "magician" =A0mean=
s here so I think you may be translating a word into English incorrectly. I=
 think I understand your use of "coherent", so =A0I'm good so far.......I h=
ope.</font></u></div><div><br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; IMHO, Art is "a value" shared between the artist and=
 the public <br>&gt; that just works on a different level of our brain and =
in a <br>&gt; subjective way. <br><br></div><font size=3D"4"><u>OK, but dif=
ferent level from what? Also, why only subjective? Can art not also be view=
ed objectively?</u></font></div>
</blockquote>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>- "Dirrent level" respect our normal state of exploring, knowing, unde=
standing, liking or disliking=A0things. IMHO, Art talks to each trough "cha=
nnels" (if it does making sense for you) that=A0are=A0different from the us=
ual ones and that could be different from person to person.</div>

<div><br></div><div><u><font size=3D"4">I wouldn't say different channels b=
ut rather hightened or something like that.</font></u> </div><div>=A0</div>
<div>- Not "only subjective", but "mostly" subjective: we can feel the same=
 piece of art 'cos we are connected to that piece of art trough the "same c=
hannel". Or you consider Art something that doesn't say nothing to me, just=
 because that "channel" doesn't work for me.</div><div><br></div><div><u><f=
ont size=3D"4">Sure, personal taste, awareness of the message, cultural dif=
ferences, etc. all lead to how the person experiencing the piece of art wil=
l either get it or not. Here is also where objective experience comes into =
place. For instance, in the "1812 Overture" if you don't recognize the Fren=
ch theme the historical aspect of the music won't be realized. When I look =
at Hindu art most of the characters are meaningless to me because I simply =
don't know who they are or what they represent. So, even though I can see t=
he beauty of the piece I have no understanding of the meaning or the story =
it's from, etc.</font></u></div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hope it makes sense. </div>
<div>=A0</div><div><u><font size=3D"4">Me too, let me know how I did!</font=
></u></div><div><br></div>
<div>fabio</div>
<div>=A0</div></div><br>

</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<pre>Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

myspace.com/folkstone57
http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter
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Thanks Todd, after reading the not exactly confusing but complicated manual
I am not convinced yet that it could work for an unsynced delay type ambient
looper guy like me.

One thing is you can't add overdubs (or stack) while it is fading?!  With
the 2880 you can add more sound while it is fading at whatever rate the
slider is set at.

I am most interested in the Free Play style which sounds interesting but
then it seems that you have up to 4 independent MONO loops? 2 stereo loops
would have been the way for me. This is how i use the 2880 s 4 tracks or two
stereo pairs. I really must have stereo.

 I may be wrong on this, I am not clear on this stereo function of the III.
It goes on to say at the end that if you plug into both R & L input/output
jacks this makes it stereo? I don't think this means that it records stereo
loops somehow...?

you said "If you are somebody that would half the tempo, reverse, stutter,
overdub, undo/redo, and fade out all in the same tune"  Yes that's me! I do
play barefoot or in light socks so perhaps a toe could operate those
buttons? It does seem to have independent reverse,octave, etc...a good
thing! maybe tricky toe tapping to do this though.

I do like the looper in the M9 but since it is mono also I end up not using
it much or the same way i would with a stereo looper, I place it before
other fx and treat it more like another instrument to be stereoized later.
hehe, my spell checker hates that word stereoized!

I am sure there is more and many things I wouldn't find until I actually try
one for a while

enough out of me,

J




On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love my Boomerang III !! I have been straddling the fence since I
> starting looping which way to go laptop or hardware. I continue to make
> attempts with both but the Rang 3 has been the most productive way for me to
> work so far. From my perspective, I mostly do song style looping with
> another musician and with the Boomerang it just gets the job done and I 'm
> not spending time learning new software with an endless upgrade path. It has
> a really small footprint which I like because I sit down when I play my
> instrument and only have so much available space to reach pedals with my
> foot. The Boomerang has lots of features but the downside is that you can
> have 4 engaged at any one time. (with a long or short press of the Bonus
> green/yellow buttons) This is actually a feature for me because I get more
> music done with less features. If you are somebody that would half the
> tempo, reverse, stutter, overdub, undo/redo, and fade out all in the same
> tune the Boomerang could be frustrating because the buttons you use to
> change the function of the yellow/green bonus buttons are extremely small
> and I would only feel doing in between songs.
> I'll post some videos of me doing some cover tunes soon that I arranged for
> the purpose of learning the rang 3 and an M9.
>
>
> -Todd Matthews
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:
>
> > I am thinking about selling my trusty eHX 2880 and getting a boomerang
> III.
> >
> > There have been some reports here on it but wondered if anyone has any
> new reviews on how they are liking it.
> >
> > Even better would be someone who has used both the 2880 and the Rang III
> for a more direct idea of the differences/similarities.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
>

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Thanks Todd, after reading the not exactly confusing but complicated manual=
 I am not convinced yet that it could work for an unsynced delay type ambie=
nt looper guy like me.<br><br>One thing is you can&#39;t add overdubs (or s=
tack) while it is fading?!=A0 With the 2880 you can add more sound while it=
 is fading at whatever rate the slider is set at.<br>
<br>I am most interested in the Free Play style which sounds interesting bu=
t then it seems that you have up to 4 independent MONO loops? 2 stereo loop=
s would have been the way for me. This is how i use the 2880 s 4 tracks or =
two stereo pairs. I really must have stereo.<br>
<br>=A0I may be wrong on this, I am not clear on this stereo function of th=
e III. It goes on to say at the end that if you plug into both R &amp; L in=
put/output jacks this makes it stereo? I don&#39;t think this means that it=
 records stereo loops somehow...?<br>
<br>you said &quot;If you are somebody that would half the tempo, reverse, =
stutter, overdub, undo/redo, and fade out all in the same tune&quot;=A0 Yes=
 that&#39;s me! I do play barefoot or in light socks so perhaps a toe could=
 operate those buttons? It does seem to have independent reverse,octave, et=
c...a good thing! maybe tricky toe tapping to do this though.<br>
<br>I do like the looper in the M9 but since it is mono also I end up not u=
sing it much or the same way i would with a stereo looper, I place it befor=
e other fx and treat it more like another instrument to be stereoized later=
. hehe, my spell checker hates that word stereoized!<br>
<br>I am sure there is more and many things I wouldn&#39;t find until I act=
ually try one for a while<br><br>enough out of me,<br><br>J<br><br><br><br>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Todd Matthe=
ws <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gtmatthews@gmail.com">gtmatthews=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">I love my Boomera=
ng III !! I have been straddling the fence since I starting looping which w=
ay to go laptop or hardware. I continue to make attempts with both but the =
Rang 3 has been the most productive way for me to work so far. From my pers=
pective, I mostly do song style looping with another musician and with the =
Boomerang it just gets the job done and I &#39;m not spending time learning=
 new software with an endless upgrade path. It has a really small footprint=
 which I like because I sit down when I play my instrument and only have so=
 much available space to reach pedals with my foot. The Boomerang has lots =
of features but the downside is that you can have 4 engaged at any one time=
. (with a long or short press of the Bonus green/yellow buttons) This is ac=
tually a feature for me because I get more music done with less features. I=
f you are somebody that would half the tempo, reverse, stutter, overdub, un=
do/redo, and fade out all in the same tune the Boomerang could be frustrati=
ng because the buttons you use to change the function of the yellow/green b=
onus buttons are extremely small and I would only feel doing in between son=
gs.<br>

I&#39;ll post some videos of me doing some cover tunes soon that I arranged=
 for the purpose of learning the rang 3 and an M9.<br>
<br>
<br>
-Todd Matthews<br>
<br>
<br>
On Oct 31, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; I am thinking about selling my trusty eHX 2880 and getting a boomerang=
 III.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; There have been some reports here on it but wondered if anyone has any=
 new reviews on how they are liking it.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Even better would be someone who has used both the 2880 and the Rang I=
II for a more direct idea of the differences/similarities.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; thanks,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Jeff<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
> Like if you have one track fading while you are recording another if you
> follow me, Just how independent are these tracks?
> Can a track fade even when not in overdub? Probably not but it would be a
> good thing.

Sounds like you're looping the same way as me. There was another tread
1-2 months ago and if I remember it well, the Rang III can't do that.
It's still not clear to me how the feedback (called Decay) exactly
works, global or per track.

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http://livelooping.be/

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Saw this listing for Robotspeak:
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Saturday Dec 4th @ 2 PM at ROBOTSPEAK
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On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:25 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> > Very quick report...
>
> Thank you, Mark.
>
> Gearwire has published a little longer review here:
> http://www.gearwire.com/kmi-soft-step-multi-touch-usb-midi-foot-controller.html
>
> From Keith McMillen's company I heard that they now have units in stock.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>

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Maybe I'll find out on Nov 8th how Adrian Belew's drummer copes with the
loops that come from Adrian. Does he have a click in an in-ear monitor, or
something like that, or does he simply listen to the loops on the monitor
box, and that is enough to keep him synced?

What are your experiences of rhythmic guitar looping in a band - what is the
best way to keep the drummer synced to the loop that you create? do you use
a predefined click, something like a Ableton backing track - or do you set
the loop timing by foot and leave it to the drummer to stay synced with it?
do you give him headphones or just point some speaker towards him?

I have this fabulous bassist and drummer and we're just starting to develop
material. It is not sure if we will find a suitable keyboard player - we
might stay a power trio for a while, and I'd like to find ways to enhance
this situation by using loops. Not sure how though.

-Michael

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Here's what comes to mind:

- A pedal to instantly retrigger the loop takes you far. With a multi
track looper this command should affect all loops that play in
parallel.

- A way to change tempo is nice too. But this only works if your
looper can time-stretch loops. Do not use normal tap-tempo method that
most manuals recommend. Go for an EDP style tempo reset instead -
which means kicking some pedal twice with one or two bar's distance in
time and have the looper instantly calculate the new tempo. I use this
with a five to eight piece band that plays composed songs for a
dancing audience (West African stuff with an electronic edge). I loop
a little between songs but most loops in the songs are pre prepared on
the laptop that I use to amplify the EWI I play. Instead of using a
looper I put those loops into the plug-in Playback because this allows
for handling the audio in an "elastic" way to match instantly defined
new tempi by the above mentioned method. Oh, I use a "dummy" (no audio
in/output) instance of the Loopback plug-in of Mainstage's to set new
tempi "EDP style". Since this is a pro band we have stand-in musicians
to not miss out on gigs if some guy should be gigging somewhere else
with another band. The first drummer always brought a pocket metronome
and always started the songs at the right tempo, so I could set up
patches with a sampler to trigger pre sequenced lines that are to be
triggered by some of the notes I play. But then we got a new drummer
that doesn't and I needed to rework all sampler patches into Playback
patches in order to follow his tempo on stage.

- If you use a looper that doesn't handle elastic audio you can simply
record a new loop as you perform the EDP style tempo fix trick.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
> Maybe I'll find out on Nov 8th how Adrian Belew's drummer copes with the
> loops that come from Adrian. Does he have a click in an in-ear monitor, or
> something like that, or does he simply listen to the loops on the monitor
> box, and that is enough to keep him synced?
>
> What are your experiences of rhythmic guitar looping in a band - what is the
> best way to keep the drummer synced to the loop that you create? do you use
> a predefined click, something like a Ableton backing track - or do you set
> the loop timing by foot and leave it to the drummer to stay synced with it?
> do you give him headphones or just point some speaker towards him?
>
> I have this fabulous bassist and drummer and we're just starting to develop
> material. It is not sure if we will find a suitable keyboard player - we
> might stay a power trio for a while, and I'd like to find ways to enhance
> this situation by using loops. Not sure how though.
>
> -Michael
>
>

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Oops, I forgot in my other post to write that I think technical sync
sucks. A click track that the audience can't hear is a real killer of
magic in music. As is stuff hooked up by MIDI Clock. It actually
sounds cool if a musician drifts out of tempo for a while and then
drift back into the groove. What does NOT sound cool is if someone
drifts out of tempo and suddenly changes to play in the correct tempo.
The "unlucky" musician should drift back slowly as he did drift off
because then it will only make the music better.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
> Maybe I'll find out on Nov 8th how Adrian Belew's drummer copes with the
> loops that come from Adrian. Does he have a click in an in-ear monitor, or
> something like that, or does he simply listen to the loops on the monitor
> box, and that is enough to keep him synced?
>
> What are your experiences of rhythmic guitar looping in a band - what is the
> best way to keep the drummer synced to the loop that you create? do you use
> a predefined click, something like a Ableton backing track - or do you set
> the loop timing by foot and leave it to the drummer to stay synced with it?
> do you give him headphones or just point some speaker towards him?
>
> I have this fabulous bassist and drummer and we're just starting to develop
> material. It is not sure if we will find a suitable keyboard player - we
> might stay a power trio for a while, and I'd like to find ways to enhance
> this situation by using loops. Not sure how though.
>
> -Michael
>
>

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I agree 100%
Antony

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On 2010-10-31, at 21:07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

Oops, I forgot in my other post to write that I think technical sync
sucks. A click track that the audience can't hear is a real killer of
magic in music. As is stuff hooked up by MIDI Clock. It actually
sounds cool if a musician drifts out of tempo for a while and then
drift back into the groove. What does NOT sound cool is if someone
drifts out of tempo and suddenly changes to play in the correct tempo.
The "unlucky" musician should drift back slowly as he did drift off
because then it will only make the music better.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
Maybe I'll find out on Nov 8th how Adrian Belew's drummer copes with the
loops that come from Adrian. Does he have a click in an in-ear monitor, or
something like that, or does he simply listen to the loops on the monitor
box, and that is enough to keep him synced?

What are your experiences of rhythmic guitar looping in a band - what is the
best way to keep the drummer synced to the loop that you create? do you use
a predefined click, something like a Ableton backing track - or do you set
the loop timing by foot and leave it to the drummer to stay synced with it?
do you give him headphones or just point some speaker towards him?

I have this fabulous bassist and drummer and we're just starting to develop
material. It is not sure if we will find a suitable keyboard player - we
might stay a power trio for a while, and I'd like to find ways to enhance
this situation by using loops. Not sure how though.

-Michael






      

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Yes I think so Sjaak, we do have a similar approach I think. I come from
using delays for my looping and have never been really comfortable with
"phrase samplers" which the Boomer is of course. Just too stiff for me.
Great if I played songs, hehe

The 2880 is a phrase sampler at heart but also comes from the EH 16 sec
school of thinking in some important ways. I use it as close as I can to a
delay type looper only with reverse and octave. And I combine that with the
DD 20. The two together are as close as I have been able to get to what I am
looking for. The M 9 although mono is actually a pretty cool looper with an
ex ped. But not the end all of course.

The main reason I am reconsidering the 2880 is the frustrating lack of
headroom! I can and do deal with it but it really limits my use of
dynamics...

I guess that is hardware and will never be addressed although i do write to
the forums, etc...sigh :)


thanks,

J

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Like if you have one track fading while you are recording another if you
> > follow me, Just how independent are these tracks?
> > Can a track fade even when not in overdub? Probably not but it would be a
> > good thing.
>
> Sounds like you're looping the same way as me. There was another tread
> 1-2 months ago and if I remember it well, the Rang III can't do that.
> It's still not clear to me how the feedback (called Decay) exactly
> works, global or per track.
>
> --
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
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Yes I think so Sjaak, we do have a similar approach I think. I come from us=
ing delays for my looping and have never been really comfortable with &quot=
;phrase samplers&quot; which the Boomer is of course. Just too stiff for me=
. Great if I played songs, hehe<br>
<br>The 2880 is a phrase sampler at heart but also comes from the EH 16 sec=
 school of thinking in some important ways. I use it as close as I can to a=
 delay type looper only with reverse and octave. And I combine that with th=
e DD 20. The two together are as close as I have been able to get to what I=
 am looking for. The M 9 although mono is actually a pretty cool looper wit=
h an ex ped. But not the end all of course.<br>
<br>The main reason I am reconsidering the 2880 is the frustrating lack of =
headroom! I can and do deal with it but it really limits my use of dynamics=
...<br><br>I guess that is hardware and will never be addressed although i =
do write to the forums, etc...sigh :)<br>
<br><br>thanks,<br><br>J<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 31, =
2010 at 2:55 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tc=
plugin@gmail.com">tcplugin@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px s=
olid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Jeff Duke &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeffloops@=
gmail.com">jeffloops@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Like if you have one track fading while you are recording another if y=
ou<br>
&gt; follow me, Just how independent are these tracks?<br>
&gt; Can a track fade even when not in overdub? Probably not but it would b=
e a<br>
&gt; good thing.<br>
<br>
Sounds like you&#39;re looping the same way as me. There was another tread<=
br>
1-2 months ago and if I remember it well, the Rang III can&#39;t do that.<b=
r>
It&#39;s still not clear to me how the feedback (called Decay) exactly<br>
works, global or per track.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
Sjaak Overgaauw<br>
<a href=3D"http://premonitionfactory.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://premoni=
tionfactory.com/</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://livelooping.be/" target=3D"_blank">http://livelooping.be/=
</a><br>
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I read in an interview that he uses these new monitors "Atomic". This is not
the same interview but he talks about his new setup including going to
Mobius for looping!
http://www.theaquarian.com/2010/06/15/interview-with-adrian-belew-the-guitar-man/2/

He is always so good live no matter what format he has going, have fun!

j

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:

> Maybe I'll find out on Nov 8th how Adrian Belew's drummer copes with the
> loops that come from Adrian. Does he have a click in an in-ear monitor, or
> something like that, or does he simply listen to the loops on the monitor
> box, and that is enough to keep him synced?
>
> What are your experiences of rhythmic guitar looping in a band - what is
> the
> best way to keep the drummer synced to the loop that you create? do you use
> a predefined click, something like a Ableton backing track - or do you set
> the loop timing by foot and leave it to the drummer to stay synced with it?
> do you give him headphones or just point some speaker towards him?
>
> I have this fabulous bassist and drummer and we're just starting to develop
> material. It is not sure if we will find a suitable keyboard player - we
> might stay a power trio for a while, and I'd like to find ways to enhance
> this situation by using loops. Not sure how though.
>
> -Michael
>

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I read in an interview that he uses these new monitors &quot;Atomic&quot;. =
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oing to Mobius for looping! <a href=3D"http://www.theaquarian.com/2010/06/1=
5/interview-with-adrian-belew-the-guitar-man/2/">http://www.theaquarian.com=
/2010/06/15/interview-with-adrian-belew-the-guitar-man/2/</a><br>
<br>He is always so good live no matter what format he has going, have fun!=
<br><br>j<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 3:33 PM=
, Michael Peters <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mp@mpeters.de">mp@=
mpeters.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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loops that come from Adrian. Does he have a click in an in-ear monitor, or<=
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r>
box, and that is enough to keep him synced?<br>
<br>
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e<br>
best way to keep the drummer synced to the loop that you create? do you use=
<br>
a predefined click, something like a Ableton backing track - or do you set<=
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<br>
do you give him headphones or just point some speaker towards him?<br>
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material. It is not sure if we will find a suitable keyboard player - we<br=
>
might stay a power trio for a while, and I&#39;d like to find ways to enhan=
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<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
-Michael<br>
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I've used the odd guitar loop with a band, but never synced.
Two methods that are nice.
1) a loop with no definite attacks ( as in old style 'God Save the Queen' frippertronics) which floats
   along with whatever rhythm is being played.
2) just catching short loops and varispeeding them as part of a solo, 
    or using a sustained single loop note varispeeded as a theremin type sound.

I have done fixed time loops with bass though, and the drummer just synced
to bass as usual, so I expect it *would* work with a rhythm guitar part.

Personally I wouldn't want to lay down a rhythm guitar part loop if I was playing
in a power trio unless for a specific composition that needed it,
 or rather, as a bass player I'd prefer the guitarist not to
do it ;-)
(bass players love the freedom when the guitar allows it)

andy

Michael Peters wrote:
> Maybe I'll find out on Nov 8th how Adrian Belew's drummer copes with the
> loops that come from Adrian. Does he have a click in an in-ear monitor, or
> something like that, or does he simply listen to the loops on the monitor
> box, and that is enough to keep him synced?
> 
> What are your experiences of rhythmic guitar looping in a band - what is the
> best way to keep the drummer synced to the loop that you create? do you use
> a predefined click, something like a Ableton backing track - or do you set
> the loop timing by foot and leave it to the drummer to stay synced with it?
> do you give him headphones or just point some speaker towards him?
> 
> I have this fabulous bassist and drummer and we're just starting to develop
> material. It is not sure if we will find a suitable keyboard player - we
> might stay a power trio for a while, and I'd like to find ways to enhance
> this situation by using loops. Not sure how though.
> 
> -Michael
> 
> 

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Jeff,

Just got back home from a long day of rehearsals. I'm gonna kick back =
for a bit, eat a massive amount of mashed potatoes and then I will =
investigate feedback control on the Boomerang for ya. I will report back =
shortly.


-Todd Matthews


On Oct 31, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Jeff Duke wrote:

> Yes I think so Sjaak, we do have a similar approach I think. I come =
from using delays for my looping and have never been really comfortable =
with "phrase samplers" which the Boomer is of course. Just too stiff for =
me. Great if I played songs, hehe
>=20
> The 2880 is a phrase sampler at heart but also comes from the EH 16 =
sec school of thinking in some important ways. I use it as close as I =
can to a delay type looper only with reverse and octave. And I combine =
that with the DD 20. The two together are as close as I have been able =
to get to what I am looking for. The M 9 although mono is actually a =
pretty cool looper with an ex ped. But not the end all of course.
>=20
> The main reason I am reconsidering the 2880 is the frustrating lack of =
headroom! I can and do deal with it but it really limits my use of =
dynamics...
>=20
> I guess that is hardware and will never be addressed although i do =
write to the forums, etc...sigh :)
>=20
>=20
> thanks,
>=20
> J
>=20
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> =
wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> =
wrote:
> > Like if you have one track fading while you are recording another if =
you
> > follow me, Just how independent are these tracks?
> > Can a track fade even when not in overdub? Probably not but it would =
be a
> > good thing.
>=20
> Sounds like you're looping the same way as me. There was another tread
> 1-2 months ago and if I remember it well, the Rang III can't do that.
> It's still not clear to me how the feedback (called Decay) exactly
> works, global or per track.
>=20
> --
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
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<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Jeff,<div><br></div><div>Just got back home from a long day of rehearsals. I'm gonna kick back for a bit, eat a massive amount of mashed potatoes and then I will investigate feedback control on the Boomerang for ya. I will report back shortly.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-Todd Matthews</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 31, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Jeff Duke wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Yes I think so Sjaak, we do have a similar approach I think. I come from using delays for my looping and have never been really comfortable with "phrase samplers" which the Boomer is of course. Just too stiff for me. Great if I played songs, hehe<br>
<br>The 2880 is a phrase sampler at heart but also comes from the EH 16 sec school of thinking in some important ways. I use it as close as I can to a delay type looper only with reverse and octave. And I combine that with the DD 20. The two together are as close as I have been able to get to what I am looking for. The M 9 although mono is actually a pretty cool looper with an ex ped. But not the end all of course.<br>
<br>The main reason I am reconsidering the 2880 is the frustrating lack of headroom! I can and do deal with it but it really limits my use of dynamics...<br><br>I guess that is hardware and will never be addressed although i do write to the forums, etc...sigh :)<br>
<br><br>thanks,<br><br>J<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tcplugin@gmail.com">tcplugin@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Jeff Duke &lt;<a href="mailto:jeffloops@gmail.com">jeffloops@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Like if you have one track fading while you are recording another if you<br>
&gt; follow me, Just how independent are these tracks?<br>
&gt; Can a track fade even when not in overdub? Probably not but it would be a<br>
&gt; good thing.<br>
<br>
Sounds like you're looping the same way as me. There was another tread<br>
1-2 months ago and if I remember it well, the Rang III can't do that.<br>
It's still not clear to me how the feedback (called Decay) exactly<br>
works, global or per track.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
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Sjaak Overgaauw<br>
<a href="http://premonitionfactory.com/" target="_blank">http://premonitionfactory.com/</a><br>
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Maybe the Atomic amp wedges?
http://www.fractalaudio.com/products-at-reactor.html


At 2010/10/31 01:54 PM, Jeff Duke wrote:
>I read in an interview that he uses these new monitors "Atomic".

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Hi Michael,

I went to see the Belew Trio when they played here last winter, and afterwards 
spoke with the drummer and asked that question. He has in ear monitors with a 
click track also a midi controller pad (or two) to his left. I am not sure how 
he uses that, he may be using it to switch the tempo of the loop to fit his 
tempo. I can say the end result seems seemless, everything was pretty synced for 
the performance.

It was an awesome show, they were having a lot of fun and Belew really plays 
some nice loops.

Eric




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Maybe I'll find out on Nov 8th how Adrian Belew's drummer copes with the
loops that come from Adrian. Does he have a click in an in-ear monitor, or
something like that, or does he simply listen to the loops on the monitor
box, and that is enough to keep him synced?

What are your experiences of rhythmic guitar looping in a band - what is the
best way to keep the drummer synced to the loop that you create? do you use
a predefined click, something like a Ableton backing track - or do you set
the loop timing by foot and leave it to the drummer to stay synced with it?
do you give him headphones or just point some speaker towards him?

I have this fabulous bassist and drummer and we're just starting to develop
material. It is not sure if we will find a suitable keyboard player - we
might stay a power trio for a while, and I'd like to find ways to enhance
this situation by using loops. Not sure how though.

-Michael


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Hi Michael,<br><br>I went to see the Belew Trio when they played here last winter, and afterwards spoke with the drummer and asked that question. He has in ear monitors with a click track also a midi controller pad (or two) to his left. I am not sure how he uses that, he may be using it to switch the tempo of the loop to fit his tempo. I can say the end result seems seemless, everything was pretty synced for the performance.<br><br>It was an awesome show, they were having a lot of fun and Belew really plays some nice loops.<br><br>Eric<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
 Michael Peters &lt;mp@mpeters.de&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sun, October 31, 2010 3:33:42 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Looping with a drummer<br></font><br>
Maybe I'll find out on Nov 8th how Adrian Belew's drummer copes with the<br>loops that come from Adrian. Does he have a click in an in-ear monitor, or<br>something like that, or does he simply listen to the loops on the monitor<br>box, and that is enough to keep him synced?<br><br>What are your experiences of rhythmic guitar looping in a band - what is the<br>best way to keep the drummer synced to the loop that you create? do you use<br>a predefined click, something like a Ableton backing track - or do you set<br>the loop timing by foot and leave it to the drummer to stay synced with it?<br>do you give him headphones or just point some speaker towards him?<br><br>I have this fabulous bassist and drummer and we're just starting to develop<br>material. It is not sure if we will find a suitable keyboard player - we<br>might stay a power trio for a while, and I'd like to find ways to enhance<br>this situation by using loops. Not sure how
 though.<br><br>-Michael<br><br></div></div>
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oops, how quickly my mind wanders! Here is my post from the show:

Last night Adrian Belew Power Trio was in town, put on a great show in which he 
looped in all but one  song. I was able to move to the front towards the end of 
the show, it  looks like all he is using is a boomerang. He also has an FBC1010 
but  looked like all he did with that was use an expression pedal to adjust  
between the mix of two effects chains. Nice use of his timefactor delay  for 
harmony lines (he also has a harmonizer he steps on frequently). His  backing 
band is a drums/bass brother/sister team from Philadelphia who kicked butt, I 
only heard the drums get out of sync with the loop  one time; didn't see any 
in-ear monitors but they did have the Bose L1 PA system setup on stage, besides 
using stage monitors and house PA. A very eclectic sound I have no idea how they 
keep everything  in sync so well.




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Hi Michael,

I went to see the Belew Trio when they played here last winter, and afterwards 
spoke with the drummer and asked that question. He has in ear monitors with a 
click track also a midi controller pad (or two) to his left. I am not sure how 
he uses that, he may be using it to switch the tempo of the loop to fit his 
tempo. I can say the end result seems seemless, everything was pretty synced for 
the performance.

It was an awesome show, they were having a lot of fun and Belew really plays 
some nice loops.

Eric




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From: Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 3:33:42 PM
Subject: Looping with a drummer

Maybe I'll find out on Nov 8th how Adrian Belew's drummer copes with the
loops that come from Adrian. Does he have a click in an in-ear monitor, or
something like that, or does he simply listen to the loops on the monitor
box, and that is enough to keep him synced?

What are your experiences of rhythmic guitar looping in a band - what is the
best way to keep the drummer synced to the loop that you create? do you use
a predefined click, something like a Ableton backing track - or do you set
the loop timing by foot and leave it to the drummer to stay synced with it?
do you give him headphones or just point some speaker towards him?

I have this fabulous bassist and drummer and we're just starting to develop
material. It is not sure if we will find a suitable keyboard player - we
might stay a power trio for a while, and I'd like to find ways to enhance
this situation by using loops. Not sure how  though.

-Michael


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>oops, how quickly my mind wanders! Here is my post from the show:<br><br>Last night <span style="cursor: pointer; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent;" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1288563368_0">Adrian Belew Power</span>
 Trio was in town, put on a great show in which he looped in all but one
 song. I was able to move to the front towards the end of the show, it 
looks like all he is using is a boomerang. He also has an FBC1010 but 
looked like all he did with that was use an expression pedal to adjust 
between the mix of two effects chains. Nice use of his timefactor delay 
for harmony lines (he also has a harmonizer he steps on frequently). His
 backing band is a drums/bass brother/sister team from <span style="border-bottom: 2px dotted rgb(54, 99, 136); cursor: pointer;" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1288563368_1">Philadelphia</span>
 who kicked butt, I only heard the drums get out of sync with the loop 
one time; didn't see any in-ear monitors but they did have the <span style="border-bottom: 2px dotted rgb(54, 99, 136); cursor: pointer;" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1288563368_2">Bose</span> L1&nbsp;<span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1288563368_3">PA system setup</span> on stage, besides using stage monitors and house <span style="border-bottom: 2px dotted rgb(54, 99, 136); cursor: pointer; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent;" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1288563368_4">PA</span>. A very eclectic sound I have no idea how they keep everything
 in sync so well.<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> E Gross &lt;slapbandjam@yahoo.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sun, October 31, 2010 6:06:28 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Looping with a drummer<br></font><br>
<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div>Hi Michael,<br><br>I went to see the Belew Trio when they played here last winter, and afterwards spoke with the drummer and asked that question. He has in ear monitors with a click track also a midi controller pad (or two) to his left. I am not sure how he uses that, he may be using it to switch the tempo of the loop to fit his tempo. I can say the end result seems seemless, everything was pretty synced for the performance.<br><br>It was an awesome show, they were having a lot of fun and Belew really plays some nice loops.<br><br>Eric<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
 Michael Peters &lt;mp@mpeters.de&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sun, October 31, 2010 3:33:42 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Looping with a drummer<br></font><br>
Maybe I'll find out on Nov 8th how Adrian Belew's drummer copes with the<br>loops that come from Adrian. Does he have a click in an in-ear monitor, or<br>something like that, or does he simply listen to the loops on the monitor<br>box, and that is enough to keep him synced?<br><br>What are your experiences of rhythmic guitar looping in a band - what is the<br>best way to keep the drummer synced to the loop that you create? do you use<br>a predefined click, something like a Ableton backing track - or do you set<br>the loop timing by foot and leave it to the drummer to stay synced with it?<br>do you give him headphones or just point some speaker towards him?<br><br>I have this fabulous bassist and drummer and we're just starting to develop<br>material. It is not sure if we will find a suitable keyboard player - we<br>might stay a power trio for a while, and I'd like to find ways to enhance<br>this situation by using loops. Not sure how
 though.<br><br>-Michael<br><br></div></div>
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