From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 01:46:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9027C3BE8F; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 01:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 01:46:02 UTC Message-Id: From: john floridis To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: synching RC 2's Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:39:19 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 01:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Hello everyone, I wanted to ask if anyone knew if/how two Boss RC 2's can be synced together. The idea being the smallest footprint for having two available loops that could be synced together and play loops of different lengths. Doesn't seem like the RC 2's is capable of it, but maybe I'm not up on what they're capable of. Thanks, John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 02:54:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C84B3BE8B; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 02:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009a01cb4981$709d0aa0$925d0418@vulcan> From: "d.nix" To: References: <285109.74434.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: guide to programming the fcb1010 for echoplex? Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:57:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 02:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Oooooh, excellent. Thanks Mark! DN ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark francombe" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:27 AM Subject: Re: guide to programming the fcb1010 for echoplex? > That would be me... > > http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=593 > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:06 PM, mark wrote: > > > Apologies in advance - I've been searching but unable to find... > > > > At one point someone had put together a step-by-step guide for programming > > the FCB1010 for use with the Echoplex. Can someone post or forward a link? > > > > If I recall, there was sort of a recommended switch layout (I realize this > > is all subjective), along with the expression pedals, etc. Even a SysEx > > file would be great! > > > > I've had the Echoplex (Loop iv version) and the FCB1010 (uno version) for a > > while, but unfortunately they've been packed away in a box. I finally have > > time to set them up and enjoy. I'm not a complete midi/gear newbie, so I > > think I can get through this. > > > > I'm looking to accelerate through the technical barriers and get quickly to > > using the tools and making music/sounds. > > > > Thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 03:53:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FE423BE8E; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 03:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 664535.59634.bm@omp210.mail.re3.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283313204; bh=3J6UGH9dnMWw8ddW6/m0fLxwHMGw4PnK6rhxb+TWBHU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OOM3szWAkPVFu2ezfSwmrwCcsJxW4zU7tdBZivtyEgPPcnmn2Zp0gE2Wvz3ab3rKavJrxoochpwP4nR95cGbwIag/jwJnlvkYItr1YLxPgaMJ0ytt9h8M9OH6/8CdQ1DY4JPD2KMNsj2R6GtvaeTARRCEXQx1FzolMlBwAXNgdU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RPP7KiQRXTer0vk/Aamv0dRA+gwt3cpy3Q+ZWGH2ClpXkoctZJUGJrD6aXIJYi0UJCbGlO3bOPkg8U2ZH0hYYTX3HY69sb5CtzsqLvPlzS41t3Xp4NBhLXGso6VmEJHqszjhGQDZUTBaM7PZJbOjDBVKMr1e7Cjx3tDUwZ0u3Q0=; Message-ID: <332758.61090.qm@web56501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wt0D0jIVM1lqvFC6aBukKnvQgfBXsAKxgWnBH_ewfBISZRC tJrhp81Od2F3mYdRbFt_4YybWxm1zGrrQLzoAzhpOCvR3LKclX1RjSfpwLGK AWW7lewQqJoX24deYZjxq_A35iXFKJpjTFgdq3K4qWc3wxzn1nC0JWQCqnt4 9xOVgvxizsoYnQMJij1EA_2UL2YM4Q_trwzbGOj4aKtzyAscBkCeUm3T2M.C 8WIlWRjJR4KCm_fLzHDqKinBpwmxNRTUcqXKyEETQ8H4WZWFSWvB0zEWDzdi fV7OG4Y5hyEyPuJyM8xk1jR4bRvWhk5hciqCO_wMIdVIJesNEoU_bDXEwq1V ZtaJE8GjooBKH X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:53:24 -0700 (PDT) From: KalimbaMan Subject: Re: OT- new video clip To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 03:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Jeff! 2880's rule :) On Tue Aug 31st, 2010 7:30 PM EDT Jeff Duke wrote: >Excellent Kevin! Freaked me out when the vocoder came in, :) RC 50? no worries, some belittle my 2880 also, lol. Good job! > >Jeff > >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: "Loopers Delight" >Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:00 PM >Subject: OT- new video clip > > >> Hey Everyone, In the spirit of looping, I wanted to share with you a video clip called "Kalimba Vocoder" that we just posted last night >> (although I'm aware of how you feel about the loop station I'm using in the video :) >> >> Thanks, -Kev >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 04:40:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9167E3BE8E; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 04:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:content-type:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :references:to:x-mailer; bh=2q3x8PyszMjcCp1urjB+BaEOFWseeerLHv1I6PdXnZA=; b=bSFAbL9go8sGrm51WjeMycG8UAH6V5iVGlIraAbM7YqyM0EfHkqc2RX8z+LPxPKh56 Wivpex7O2RF1iLD2xtG/LOH+vnlUhpNSBrsO3nmhfXmbuKecQBOd/F7Hg7KJ93UdS7Li 6rJlalK49hzVLmNo13byYeFJGDEUdzOs07G4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=jHkjDChqRZgP8r+Qhge/TFImxjSPASBv51+8V45YmenB1OlCQBxJvto2KU91Rh8nJE SjsDAD9NWbpyO0mR1vdYObFdNcFy6WxqusWsCdTDxey0UD4jbmIbhz4GvnNhHjXdih1X v36nRCuMYQs4fI6YdjNfnKckrFGAvuKO9PwgI= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: synching RC 2's From: Myke Atkinson In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:40:06 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1532AB80-A54D-4655-B865-55CD0AF67D40@gmail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 04:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Hey John, =46rom my experience with the RC-2's, I don't think there is a way to = sync two of them. My friend was just showing me this crazy new synth he got from Bleep = labs that syncs to other devices using infrared - someone should do that = with a pint sized looper. -Myke On 2010-08-31, at 7:39 PM, john floridis wrote: > Hello everyone, I wanted to ask if anyone knew if/how two Boss RC 2's = can be synced together. The idea being the smallest footprint for = having two available loops that could be synced together and play loops = of different lengths. Doesn't seem like the RC 2's is capable of it, = but maybe I'm not up on what they're capable of. >=20 > Thanks, > John >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 04:50:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 811D43BE8C; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 04:50:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=klbvlzjwN9dnhNkOjIIA+B5sWdJ6jST4iRdHmKiMch0=; b=IW5MGf4djoT9rWT0npD0H2xYRMDMzTuOFahefpqjgwPRyYl/pmlMp2anZu0nsKoRea oXBg3wYYnKbU5qOjZEsgm7QsYXMNAjKmBeoZPU7lDkiAXyAvlBiuvfli+8TTstXKl/bU jbpQNlBiKLE8Hu86xImtiw9O90CmJ+AydSSco= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LrXOw4yIuV3U+FsqV+GozfWvGn/Np9/fCypajdTAfRgNp+IirXundF3xVTYdqzBKUi AEImN3DV5GppPC6NDMFIA/HniHAd5c8fC/5Sx/beB7LG5yVX1XKWK/WdENrE1fe2F7DL cW3FJCM6M0IzoJiuwPAsAXCC15+YlgaKiQaps= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <332758.61090.qm@web56501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <332758.61090.qm@web56501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:50:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT- new video clip From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 04:50:41 +0000 (UTC) That was great. Thanks for sharing it. Kevin (another one) On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:53 PM, KalimbaMan wrote: > Thanks Jeff! 2880's rule :) > > On Tue Aug 31st, 2010 7:30 PM EDT Jeff Duke wrote: > >>Excellent Kevin! Freaked me out when the vocoder came in, :) RC 50? no wo= rries, some belittle my 2880 also, lol. Good job! >> >>Jeff >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: >>To: "Loopers Delight" >>Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:00 PM >>Subject: OT- new video clip >> >> >>> Hey Everyone, In the spirit of looping, I wanted to share with you a vi= deo clip called "Kalimba Vocoder" that we just posted last night >>> (although I'm aware of how you feel about the loop station I'm using in= the video :) >>> >>> Thanks, =A0-Kev >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>> >> > > > > > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 05:04:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63CFD3BE8D; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <97A25DEC-7DC1-430A-A703-8393403E07A4@johnfloridis.com> From: john floridis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: synching RC 2's Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 23:04:10 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:04:10 +0000 (UTC) What I'm looking for might be the Boomerang with the software upgrade which the website says will be released this coming month. John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 05:15:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1B2A3BE8C; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3LVPyJDq89B63qjtY06HoPYLaaFTAvxG5C5aZdPCuTU=; b=dAxFuzlJcC4SqnRUeZERB08bEv9wh4IlC9WdebjRXazTZlK6+06pviY4spIJ8lAbwq molO0GOIFUXlY+Bb8CgyNnRT7aWdK8HYQJSuyivYBWBAeOGHbJCTifllJ4d1ipphL5T/ 0tIN2SUTO6NJa/fB/leafnEuG0NY+kR3pJ6y8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=HwNdhVpPp6SvvjgpZJ64Hj2Xm9RNtC/6N5XxW87MvFyKzjPLF62F5ZPopGxEVZ/3vI NA5Ifh/2Gaxu14CaIotVDSd9QVITV2sTa2omcNfHwO0Ev67qkqrX2TEH40QpGS45CAHO +Jkk/siWJYMnKHIHY6qH7K+BsVEU6Y4gRcNio= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 01:15:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Jazz Electronica as a category label From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485e9a65cf88055048f2bc9b1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:15:42 +0000 (UTC) --001485e9a65cf88055048f2bc9b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warren, congratulations on creative marketing, I'm glad you accenuated the positive as it's said. Listening to Tom's stream now. Wild to see the Incredible String Band on a playlist. Going to Santa Cruz for Y2K? Hope so I'll be there albeit short time but will be there. Jim On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Warren Sirota wrote= : > Many of you have noticed that we periodically go on long rounds of > discussion about how to label the kind of music we do. Well, this is a > contribution inspired by constraints. I was booked to play the first annu= al Warwick > Valley Jazz Festival, > mainly because I'm old friends with the originator of the concept, drumme= r > Steve Rubin. (Steve was in my kindergarten class - and those of you who'v= e > met me know how long ago *that* was!) > > I needed a headline for my set - putting my name up there would draw my 3 > closest family members and 2 local musicians.... so I chose *Jazz > Electronica* and then tried to figure out how much of what I do could fit > in that category! I think it was a good idea, and I had a full (small) > house, which was wonderful. (of course, if i didn't have the association > with the jazz festival, i probably wouldn't have pulled that well, even w= ith > that label) > > As it turns out, my smartest move was, 2 weeks ahead of time, to figure o= ut > that performing 2 full-length solo sets was utter folly, and I managed to > convince fellow looper Tom Ritchford, aka Tom Swirly, to perform with me.= He > plays electronic woodwinds, among other things, has great melodic and als= o > adventurous sensibilities, and never has to be told what key I've wandere= d > into. We were featured in a little write-up of the fest in the Times > Herald-Record, which is the major paper for the county. > http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20100829/NEWS/82= 90337 - > it's more impressive in the paper than it is online. > > My first step was to start identifying drum approaches that worked with > swing time. I've been experimenting with RMX lately, and it has time > profiles which allow you to fit any of their patterns to whatever groove = you > like with a pretty fair amt of flexibility. And, the compelling feature o= f > RMX for me is the ways in which variability (lfos and randomness) can be > easily used. I still have a lot to learn, but it's quite interesting. > > I also noticed during "development" of the meta-instrument for this > performance that the Mobius plugin was far easiest to control than RMX > because of Mobius' midi inputs independent of the host. Everything in RMX > has to be mapped to a host control in order to use MIDI with it, and that= 's > a bit of a PITA. > > btw, Tom has a formidable music collection, and you can listen in at > radio.swirly.com. > --=20 >From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com --001485e9a65cf88055048f2bc9b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warren, congratulations on creative marketing, I'm glad you accenuated = the positive as it's said.=A0 Listening to Tom's stream now.=A0 Wil= d to see the Incredible String Band on a playlist.

Going to Santa Cr= uz for Y2K?=A0 Hope so I'll be there albeit short time but will be ther= e.

Jim

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM, = Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
Many of you have noticed that we periodically go on long rounds of discussi= on about how to label the kind of music we do. Well, this is a contribution= inspired by constraints. I was booked to play the first annual Warwick Valley J= azz Festival, mainly because I'm old friends with the originator of= the concept, drummer Steve Rubin. (Steve was in my kindergarten class - an= d those of you who've met me know how long ago *that* was!)

I needed a headline for my set - putting my name up there wo= uld draw my 3 closest family members and 2 local musicians.... so I chose <= b>Jazz Electronica=A0and then tried to figure out how much of what I do= could fit in that category! I think it was a good idea, and I had a full (= small) house, which was wonderful. (of course, if i didn't have the ass= ociation with the jazz festival, i probably wouldn't have pulled that w= ell, even with that label)

As it turns out, my smartest move was, 2 weeks ahead of= time, to figure out that performing 2 full-length solo sets was utter foll= y, and I managed to convince fellow looper Tom Ritchford, aka Tom Swirly, t= o perform with me. He plays electronic woodwinds, among other things, has g= reat melodic and also adventurous sensibilities, and never has to be told w= hat key I've wandered into. We were featured in a little write-up of th= e fest in the Times Herald-Record, which is the major paper for the county.= =A0http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.= dll/article?AID=3D/20100829/NEWS/8290337=A0- it's more impressive i= n the paper than it is online.

My first step was to start identifying drum= approaches that worked with swing time. I've been experimenting with R= MX lately, and it has time profiles which allow you to fit any of their pat= terns to whatever groove you like with a pretty fair amt of flexibility. An= d, the compelling feature of RMX for me is the ways in which variability (l= fos and randomness) can be easily used. I still have a lot to learn, but it= 's quite interesting.

I also noticed during "development" of the me= ta-instrument for this performance that the Mobius plugin was far easiest t= o control than RMX because of Mobius' midi inputs independent of the ho= st. Everything in RMX has to be mapped to a host control in order to use MI= DI with it, and that's a bit of a PITA.

btw, Tom has a formidable music collect= ion, and you can listen in at radio.swirly.com.



--
From Brooklyn To Glindr= an, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 P= roceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandca= mp.com.

www.jimgoodinmusic.comwww.chinapaintingmusic.com
woodandwiremusic.wo= rdpress.com
--001485e9a65cf88055048f2bc9b1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 07:16:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E28523BE8E; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 491 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:16:42 UTC Message-ID: <012a01cb49a4$e472e3f0$925d0418@vulcan> From: "d.nix" To: References: <285109.74434.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: guide to programming the fcb1010 for echoplex? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 00:11:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Related question; is there any advantage to the UNO chip upgrade if you are using the FCB1010 to control an EDP? I've got an EDP, but havent picked up the FCB yet... Not sure if I should spring for the UNO chip or not... Currently only planning on controlling the EDP, but might possbly also want to change patches, etc on an Alesis Quadraverb2 as well. Thanks! > > I've had the Echoplex (Loop iv version) and the FCB1010 (uno version) for a while, but unfortunately they've been packed away in a box. I finally have time to set them up and enjoy. I'm not a complete midi/gear newbie, so I think I can get through this. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 07:55:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C79553BE8A; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=ansYCw3Z2+8CsoC6gCwN2bdjrz1n4fl558diZ6tHNHA=; b=IT6Ek0gTnxj71J1FkveDocujTomTMP3afq1MLeveL9jsCNCxjrw45qltLq6d0Yvogq e3mzSaI9JjTN8HPQdIvH9l5C//mBbYXeEvElzm0D/1tW+6qaUc1Cb1VDgRSxErSUthqi fTTZuzNUoG6XN7+91EJO72YTG7lS0wW8p6yMY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=RFrEydv2RKrohm4itMRoQp1V88vPs+acL26+3yV4MvRKbhvklVnsZC3S14t/RGFiw+ Mt4chdwQwHfSSZiT2Ld9S3NsPJLhIUhZ+Oru/oc/1OiW63UK5Y2+DgTO2vdOyAzoro79 7q4a357XAHv4TCukV3+x/N0K/Bo5r38uzTPtM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <012a01cb49a4$e472e3f0$925d0418@vulcan> References: <285109.74434.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <012a01cb49a4$e472e3f0$925d0418@vulcan> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:55:32 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tOI3kXal57dhsMoMz_VeMVUuwGc Message-ID: Subject: Re: guide to programming the fcb1010 for echoplex? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367fa1badc7cad048f2e06df Resent-Message-ID: <3JrRU.A.ndF.JcgfMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:55:53 +0000 (UTC) --0016367fa1badc7cad048f2e06df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I dont know; I have an unaltered 1010, and its works fine with edp... note sure what the chip does TBH M On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:11 AM, d.nix wrote: > Related question; is there any advantage to the UNO chip upgrade if you are > using the FCB1010 to control an EDP? > > I've got an EDP, but havent picked up the FCB yet... Not sure if I should > spring for the UNO chip or not... Currently only planning on controlling > the > EDP, but might possbly also want to change patches, etc on an Alesis > Quadraverb2 as well. > > Thanks! > > > > > I've had the Echoplex (Loop iv version) and the FCB1010 (uno version) for > a while, but unfortunately they've been packed away in a box. I finally > have time to set them up and enjoy. I'm not a complete midi/gear newbie, > so > I think I can get through this. > > > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016367fa1badc7cad048f2e06df Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dont know; I have an unaltered 1010, and its works fine with edp...
note sure what the chip does TBH

M


On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:11 AM, d.nix <d.nix@comcast.net> wrote:
Related question;= is there any advantage to the UNO chip upgrade if you are
using the FCB1010 to control an EDP?

I've got an EDP, but havent picked up the FCB yet... Not sure if I shou= ld
spring for the UNO chip or not... Currently only planning on controlling th= e
EDP, but might possbly also want to change patches, etc on an Alesis
Quadraverb2 as well.

Thanks!

>
> I've had the Echoplex (Loop iv version) and the FCB1010 (uno versi= on) for
a while, but unfortunately they've been packed away in a box. =A0I fina= lly
have time to set them up and enjoy. =A0I'm not a complete midi/gear new= bie, so
I think I can get through this.
>




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mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--0016367fa1badc7cad048f2e06df-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 08:19:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34D643BE8D; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006101cb49ae$54ba8c40$845f2d52@eced5194571a442> From: "Steve Moyes" To: References: <285109.74434.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <012a01cb49a4$e472e3f0$925d0418@vulcan> Subject: Re: guide to programming the fcb1010 for echoplex? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:18:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100831-1, 31/08/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:19:14 +0000 (UTC) I use an FCB1010 with UNO chip to control Mobius. The one big advantage for me has been that the UNO allows me to use this pc editor to program the FCB http://www.ripwerx.com/. There are other FCB editors for pc and mac, but I found this one to be the easiest. It really makes FCB programming very simple. The other added features that the UNO chip provides, like the stompbox mode, ure unlikely to be of any use to you in controlling an EDP as far as I know. I hope this is some help. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "d.nix" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:11 AM Subject: Re: guide to programming the fcb1010 for echoplex? > Related question; is there any advantage to the UNO chip upgrade if you > are > using the FCB1010 to control an EDP? > > I've got an EDP, but havent picked up the FCB yet... Not sure if I should > spring for the UNO chip or not... Currently only planning on controlling > the > EDP, but might possbly also want to change patches, etc on an Alesis > Quadraverb2 as well. > > Thanks! > >> >> I've had the Echoplex (Loop iv version) and the FCB1010 (uno version) for > a while, but unfortunately they've been packed away in a box. I finally > have time to set them up and enjoy. I'm not a complete midi/gear newbie, > so > I think I can get through this. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 10:26:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED3783BE8B; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=mudRBaNX+aAWBotFKeOAA/T8od1D+0TKvmxC+4smVqc=; b=TPDl2ThTvdT6+IjXoGJoeyvDS/YYMsX+95mPKguz1GyTb/0QmvrSlyVjr/czE93q1V fc5jsIWuILncXwtJSz9UyRzetBQQgZOFXZBRNO2SrR7UPI42SACth1bF2rIvd63n1rPm UAjoKBbfr3pNcH/GcJQf2PPhCcoLX9QUlaXE4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=R5US4TKauFYFM+jIjZc3XCGlk0Rshdyq+L7DhMq/Q0FWjZfbc4MCVlxwMXWKUrez1h QtfKY59xDBrD9S+gtWgjrW9vMpeHNDKM9zuh3el26Sg2Tfr37t6fTM3kICfDafOLQ6XX nHm2QtIldk5O9GTGWhKYi70lS5lIYIeKAFmEk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:26:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, ambient list Cc: Rick Walker Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c92d4737a3a3048f302092 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:26:09 +0000 (UTC) --001636c92d4737a3a3048f302092 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, I've uploaded on bancamp a *preview of my composition for the nextcoming Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV* (curated by David Kirkdorffer - UNDO), , with the intention to *donate all the incoming money to support Rick's Y2K-X Loopfest *(www.y2kloopfest.com) . It's called "Polymetric Counterpoint #1" and it's a minimalistic loop based composition realized superimposing musical patterns with different metrics (3-4-5-6) sharing the same pulse. All cellos, strings and piano patterns were played and looped live and later mixed with a computer software. Here is the link: http://eterogeneo.bandcamp.com/releases Hope you'll like it and, anyway, *please contribute as you can* to support the Y2K-X Loopfest and don't forget to *spread this link to your friends, lists, FB, myspace*, ecc... -fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: I need this communities help: Y2K-X LOOP FEST > > > > Hi everyone, >> >> So far, donations for this year's Y2K-X festival are running a little >> under >> 25% from previous years. >> >> The festival this year is going to be close to twice as large. >> >> This has been a tough recessionary year and I know things are really >> tight. >> >> So, it is not lightly that I ask if you could consider donating some >> funds >> to help the festival come off. >> >> The price of admission doesn't come close to covering all of my costs >> and so many people are coming this year that we're going to have a hard >> time raising very much money at the door. >> >> If you have anything to give, it will cover the costs of sleeping bags, >> transportation >> and many incidental costs. >> >> My paypal account is looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com >> >> Thanks a lot, >> >> yours, Rick Walker >> >> > --001636c92d4737a3a3048f302092 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
I've uploaded on bancamp a preview of my composition for t= he nextcoming Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV=A0(curated = by David Kirkdorffer - UNDO), ,=A0with the intention to donate all = the incoming money to support Rick's Y2K-X Loopfest (www.y2kloopfest.com) .
=A0
It's called "Polymetric Counterpoint #1" and it's a = minimalistic loop based composition realized superimposing musical patterns= with different metrics (3-4-5-6) sharing the same pulse.
All cellos, strings and piano patterns=A0were played and looped live a= nd later mixed with a computer software.
=A0
Hope you'll like it and, anyway, please=A0contribute as yo= u can to support the Y2K-X Loopfest and don't forget to spread this link to your friends, lists, FB, myspace,=A0=A0ecc..= .
=A0
-fabio
=A0
=A0


----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" <= ;looppool@cruzio.c= om>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Cc: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August = 24, 2010 5:49 PM
Subject: I need this communities help: Y2K-X LOOP FEST =



Hi everyone,

So far, dona= tions for this year's Y2K-X festival are running a little under
25% = from previous years.

The festival this year is going to be close to twice as large.

T= his has been a tough recessionary year and I know things are really tight.<= br>
So, =A0it is not lightly that I ask if you could consider donating s= ome funds
to help the festival come off.

The price of admission doesn't co= me close to covering all of my costs
and so many people are coming this = year that we're going to have a hard
time raising very much money at= the door.

If you have anything to give, =A0it will cover the costs of sleeping ba= gs, transportation
and many incidental costs.

My paypal account i= s =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com

Thanks a lot,=

yours, =A0 Rick Walker



--001636c92d4737a3a3048f302092-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 11:38:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAB1B3BE8C; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:38:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:38:19 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100901113819.203510@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: synching RC 2's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+2w4lgRpG208jQ4G3E67sszWoqMHsksq24IOqyhu 9cK0SXRbF9Jc7lLWBeMFNAY5azNP6+5khl/A== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: RVYcGDhvbXB+MMxpyTU2mzAiLyUmZYif X-FuHaFi: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:38:25 +0000 (UTC) > Doesn't seem like the RC 2's is capable of it That's right. Buzap -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 15:10:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E65A3BE84; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4B1C82EE-6DDF-4A3A-AAD0-5AEB2CA5B8F4@ricoloop.com> From: rico diessner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-103937548 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: no more newsletter Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 17:10:15 +0200 References: <001a01cb34b5$d7a598b0$377b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <51429.99593.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C5C0857.9000801@tiscali.co.uk> <4C5C5EF9.8020602@tiscali.co.uk> <343906.49897.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <800915.72181.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <92408E08-3534-4F67-8254-2D91AE60608D@zoekeating.com> <4C6662BC.1050300@tiscali.co.uk> <482982.28280.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9279121B-B486-4588-A935-AD9D3EE4746B@ricoloop.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Df-Sender: [pbs]cmljb0ByaWNvbG9vcC5jb20= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:10:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-103937548 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thank you! also for not teasing me ;) i will... rico On 29.08.2010, at 20:40, mark francombe wrote: > Rico, before peopel start teasing you, please go to Loopers- > delight.com to find unsubscribing instructions.. > > You joined, so YOU have to leave... there no owner or moderator to > do it for you... > > cheers Mark > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM, rico diessner > wrote: > please take me out of the newsletter :) > > thanks! > > i change my email ;) > > have fun looping! > > love and music, > > rico. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-1-103937548 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thank = you!

also for not teasing me = ;)

i = will...

rico


On 29.08.2010, at 20:40, mark francombe wrote:

Rico, = before peopel start teasing you, please go to Loopers-delight.com to = find unsubscribing instructions..

You joined, so YOU have to = leave... there no owner or moderator to do it for you...

cheers = Mark

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM, = rico diessner <rico@ricoloop.com> = wrote:
= please take me out of the newsletter :)

thanks!

i = change my email ;)

have fun looping!

love and = music,

rico.




=





-- =
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

= --Apple-Mail-1-103937548-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 15:27:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09CE93BE8C; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 836 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:27:03 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Bvtoi9oDKfzfMr4B6TNlty1OZaYKT7r7WajNZpL2n7w3WZdHASh7mekiQzvMO4zJ; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4B1C82EE-6DDF-4A3A-AAD0-5AEB2CA5B8F4@ricoloop.com> References: <001a01cb34b5$d7a598b0$377b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <51429.99593.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C5C0857.9000801@tiscali.co.uk> <4C5C5EF9.8020602@tiscali.co.uk> <343906.49897.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <800915.72181.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <92408E08-3534-4F67-8254-2D91AE60608D@zoekeating.com> <4C6662BC.1050300@tiscali.co.uk> <482982.28280.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9279121B-B486-4588-A935-AD9D3EE4746B@ricoloop.com> <4B1C82EE-6DDF-4A3A-AAD0-5AEB2CA5B8F4@ricoloop.com> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:11:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: no more newsletter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-928768521==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d41a639f66f7b945f898393da99b880f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:27:03 +0000 (UTC) --============_-928768521==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" No problem... the teasing doesn't usually begin until you've left anyway.....!!! :) >thank you! > >also for not teasing me ;) > >i will... > >rico > > > >On 29.08.2010, at 20:40, mark francombe wrote: > >>Rico, before peopel start teasing you, please go to >>Loopers-delight.com to find unsubscribing instructions.. >> >>You joined, so YOU have to leave... there no owner or moderator to >>do it for you... >> >>cheers Mark >> >>On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM, rico diessner >><rico@ricoloop.com> wrote: >> >>please take me out of the newsletter :) >> >>thanks! >> >>i change my email ;) >> >>have fun looping! >> >>love and music, >> >>rico. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>mark francombe >>www.markfrancombe.com >>www.ordoabkhao.com >>twitter @markfrancombe >>http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>http://www.looop.no -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-928768521==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: no more newsletter
No problem...  the teasing doesn't usually begin until you've left anyway.....!!! :)

thank you!

also for not teasing me ;)

i will...

rico


On 29.08.2010, at 20:40, mark francombe wrote:

Rico, before peopel start teasing you, please go to Loopers-delight.com to find unsubscribing instructions..

You joined, so YOU have to leave... there no owner or moderator to do it for you...

cheers Mark
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM, rico diessner <rico@ricoloop.com> wrote:
please take me out of the newsletter :)

thanks!

i change my email ;)

have fun looping!

love and music,

rico.








--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-928768521==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 15:32:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED16B3BE8D; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: rico diessner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-105245081 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: no more newsletter Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 17:32:02 +0200 References: <001a01cb34b5$d7a598b0$377b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <51429.99593.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C5C0857.9000801@tiscali.co.uk> <4C5C5EF9.8020602@tiscali.co.uk> <343906.49897.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <800915.72181.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <92408E08-3534-4F67-8254-2D91AE60608D@zoekeating.com> <4C6662BC.1050300@tiscali.co.uk> <482982.28280.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9279121B-B486-4588-A935-AD9D3EE4746B@ricoloop.com> <4B1C82EE-6DDF-4A3A-AAD0-5AEB2CA5B8F4@ricoloop.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Df-Sender: [pbs]aW5mb0ByaWNvbG9vcC5jb20= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:32:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-105245081 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hehe :)))))) loopers forever! On 01.09.2010, at 17:11, Charles Zwicky wrote: > No problem... the teasing doesn't usually begin until you've left > anyway.....!!! :) > >> thank you! >> >> also for not teasing me ;) >> >> i will... >> >> rico >> >> >> On 29.08.2010, at 20:40, mark francombe wrote: >> >>> Rico, before peopel start teasing you, please go to Loopers- >>> delight.com to find unsubscribing instructions.. >>> >>> You joined, so YOU have to leave... there no owner or moderator to >>> do it for you... >>> >>> cheers Mark >>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM, rico diessner >>> wrote: >>> please take me out of the newsletter :) >>> >>> thanks! >>> >>> i change my email ;) >>> >>> have fun looping! >>> >>> love and music, >>> >>> rico. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mark francombe >>> www.markfrancombe.com >>> www.ordoabkhao.com >>> twitter @markfrancombe >>> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>> http://www.looop.no > > > -- > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix --Apple-Mail-2-105245081 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hehe = :))))))

loopers forever!

On = 01.09.2010, at 17:11, Charles Zwicky wrote:

No = problem...  the teasing doesn't usually begin until you've left = anyway.....!!! :)

thank = you!

also for not = teasing me ;)
i = will...
On 29.08.2010, at = 20:40, mark francombe wrote:
Rico, before peopel start teasing you, please go = to Loopers-delight.com to find unsubscribing instructions..

You = joined, so YOU have to leave... there no owner or moderator to do it for = you...

cheers Mark
On Sun, Aug = 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM, rico diessner <rico@ricoloop.com> = wrote:

rico.








--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


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= --Apple-Mail-2-105245081-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 16:07:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A29483BE8D; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:references:from :content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=xvnQFmCpFU9J4bAxcxpnZOgfOacjrX32KDaid0eZq84=; b=lJLgo2HVzJyXhmZakemlCUXaBMMkoVFXspg0r7TwpHOg3GIzSwJmIU0WhV8o9LM6ye UNXd798efvXbeqtriqpoBHQjLxvyldNQhD78xlxjdwSasT3l4BNRv5D07KEFjPhkrChN Kl7+YPJmzeWathWO/e5uM+K5RJ53LNXonugVE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=p9/XD1WV5pmcI+jHFkV76c+KJDqnLGe9USE+WKf58Dm0QcVLbUhsM0Bz6rOLVdsc13 E0Zq8Z2pLLB6gZljJxdW/4RDX/G+PRwTbn2bwZmdaDbmIaN2LINMQ76R/AiyYeSAIpRY RNzaXeaEE6D5lgqcgpcMJneP+aXTt4T9uF/n4= Subject: Re: no more newsletter References: <001a01cb34b5$d7a598b0$377b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <51429.99593.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C5C0857.9000801@tiscali.co.uk> <4C5C5EF9.8020602@tiscali.co.uk> <343906.49897.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <800915.72181.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <92408E08-3534-4F67-8254-2D91AE60608D@zoekeating.com> <4C6662BC.1050300@tiscali.co.uk> <482982.28280.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9279121B-B486-4588-A935-AD9D3EE4746B@ricoloop.com> <4B1C82EE-6DDF-4A3A-AAD0-5AEB2CA5B8F4@ ricoloop.com> From: toejampc@gmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-107329968 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A306) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 01:06:44 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:07:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-107329968 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "...you can check out anytime you like, But you can never leave..." Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2010, at 12:32 AM, rico diessner wrote: > hehe :)))))) >=20 > loopers forever! >=20 > On 01.09.2010, at 17:11, Charles Zwicky wrote: >=20 >> No problem... the teasing doesn't usually begin until you've left anyway= .....!!! :) >>=20 >>> thank you! >>>=20 >>> also for not teasing me ;) >>>=20 >>> i will... >>>=20 >>> rico >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 29.08.2010, at 20:40, mark francombe wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Rico, before peopel start teasing you, please go to Loopers-delight.com= to find unsubscribing instructions.. >>>>=20 >>>> You joined, so YOU have to leave... there no owner or moderator to do i= t for you... >>>>=20 >>>> cheers Mark >>>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM, rico diessner wrot= e: >>>> please take me out of the newsletter :) >>>>=20 >>>> thanks! >>>>=20 >>>> i change my email ;) >>>>=20 >>>> have fun looping! >>>>=20 >>>> love and music, >>>>=20 >>>> rico. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> mark francombe >>>> www.markfrancombe.com >>>> www.ordoabkhao.com >>>> twitter @markfrancombe >>>> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>>> http://www.looop.no >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >>=20 >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >>=20 >> http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky >>=20 >> http://albumcredits.com/zmix >=20 --Apple-Mail-2-107329968 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
"...you can check out anytime you like,=
But you can never leave..."

Sent from my iPhone
=
On Sep 2, 2010, at 12:32 AM, rico diessner <rico@ricoloop.com> wrote:

=
hehe :))))))

loopers= forever!

On 01.09.2010, at 17:11, Charles Zwicky wr= ote:

=
No problem...  the teasing doesn't usually begi= n until you've left anyway.....!!! :)

thank you= !

also for not teasing me ;= )

i will...

rico


On 29.08.2010, at 20:40, mark fran= combe wrote:

Rico, before peopel start t= easing you, please go to Loopers-deli= ght.com to find unsubscribing instructions..

You joined, so YOU h= ave to leave... there no owner or moderator to do it for you...

cheer= s Mark
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM, rico diess= ner <rico@ricoloop.com> wrote:
please take me out of the newsletter :)
<= br>thanks!

i change my email ;)

have fun looping!

love a= nd music,

rico.








--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @mar= kfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


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= --Apple-Mail-2-107329968-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 16:11:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE6EE3BE8D; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: no more newsletter From: Reyn Ouwehand In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:11:16 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <87E3009D-6570-4234-996F-6E3B4D448A51@reyn.net> References: <001a01cb34b5$d7a598b0$377b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <51429.99593.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C5C0857.9000801@tiscali.co.uk> <4C5C5EF9.8020602@tiscali.co.uk> <343906.49897.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <800915.72181.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <92408E08-3534-4F67-8254-2D91AE60608D@zoekeating.com> <4C6662BC.1050300@tiscali.co.uk> <482982.28280.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9279121B-B486-4588-A935-AD9D3EE4746B@ricoloop.com> <4B1C82EE-6DDF-4A3A-AAD0-5AEB2CA5B8F4! @ ricoloop.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Resent-Message-ID: <4Idt5C.A.VaF.msnfMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:11:18 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:06 PM, toejampc@gmail.com wrote: > "...you can check out anytime you like, > But you can never leave..." Sounds to me as a slogan from a new novel by Stephan King about a = haunted hotel.... .....where the movie version of course begins with "In = a world ......" :-) Cheers, Reyn ___________ www.reyn.net www.reyn.vs.reyn.net www.studio.reyn.net management: www.lalalamanagement.nl twitter/facebook/youtube: ReynOuwehand From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 16:13:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C5A53BE8C; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: stompbox reverbs? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:12:57 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:13:04 +0000 (UTC) I would take a longer look at the TC Nova reverb and the Digitech hardwire reverb. I think both boast a more pristine reverb quality than the Verbzilla. If you are coming across the pond it will be cheaper to buy here. The store I work at partime usually stocks both the verbzilla and digitech as well as EH and boss, and I have a nova verb as well you could try out. I settled on the Nova verb over the others because I thought it had the most useable parameters and the most transparent sound. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 16:31:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6756A3BE90; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=b/0+RGLTiPXyd15EkzbRccMfKBbSg3coSr1UAMDuQ3gvS3zVDWhLbBntMXRwhzK2M006TnV/GB6OPI4pOKq/ylL8/AhcWVbfQZ5QwtxakzWN4YUaa6ZWIBE49MzgBAVT2n5qZZniWktXUbEBqSoslvO0uLB7BeEMQ5yMNCkFqBc= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1283358708; bh=k4W4H0MFCQ1TX50vAJhHqzqXEF4vK4xBxBPVYQmINYw=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=Pr6rQEa13VdGAcl0e7PrI9hvxQzQgXadOf8rbve/a7E0rKFpxCvxWvIylN5nuMIE2hs7OKflTa3k5qOP6MNq9VuVI5g57Yd29RziWwi+XV7qZ5KYoMv5J79JZW7DAyxTt3lmcZGdcqN+DN/w4hu9wVmJsuXKVSEqxGkaTv++6Co= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: EQ77fa0VM1nHNLWENnvPhhjWfRryKUMSmAtNH0OVaxa6dRv bHL098CCjk6wKYTUVK5zxnH44HeDau7N6PIEP11f2XVfOvIPCRPpR1klwVX6 5Z1AP6cv4D8TGrklOYdoX9vxjDFfc7ZCrO4f1ajt6VZwYmyEtwe4AKizqeim IXVh8UbmHV8iqtayst2nNucK6Az.vm6ta0u1_PM7yy8ERhWR8_3lKBgGfLhI J8tmzQJQQrFm45sgAl86P3iwUFIGLw3Kg8rCKiYx_lQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <4848A8A8-E97B-49A2-9CEB-C8B63820C4EE@btinternet.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-108826442 Message-Id: <60FFE499-0875-4DBC-92FD-F348D2CCA8CD@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Call For Performers (slightly OT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 17:31:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:31:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12-108826442 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Brilliant - let me know mate Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 29 Aug 2010, at 13:33, Simeon Harris wrote: > just to add - if you'd like to submit a video, but don't have a > camcorder, but you do have a mac with iSight, then you can use > Quicktime Broadcaster to record a video to disk > check vimeo for the best settings to use. here's the link - http:// > support.apple.com/kb/DL764 > > sim > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Matt Stevens > wrote: > Hello Loopers! > > Loopers are very welcome at this event: > > On The 18 and 19th of Sept we will be hold a Ustream/web streamed > festival at http://cafenoodle.ning.com with donations in aid of the > MS Society. > > If you are unsure on how to do a gig via ustream you can find some > useful info here: > > http://www.liveunsigned.com/blog/category/ustreams/ > > You don't have to use ustream - as long as you can provide the > embed code thats great! > > If you would like to perform at the festival please let me know > this week, I would like to confirm the line up by next weekend. > Please email me at mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com to confirm you > want to play. I will be doing lots of promo for this in the coming > weeks. > > Thanks in advance > > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > --Apple-Mail-12-108826442 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Brilliant - let me know mate

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 29 Aug 2010, = at 13:33, Simeon Harris wrote:

just to = add - if you'd like to submit a video, but don't have a camcorder, but = you do have a mac with iSight, then you can use Quicktime Broadcaster to = record a video to disk
check vimeo for the best settings to use. = here's the link - http://support.apple.com/kb/DL7= 64

sim

On Sun, Aug 29, = 2010 at 11:03 AM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com> wrote:
Hello = Loopers!

Loopers are very welcome at this event:
=
On The 18 and 19th of Sept we will be hold a Ustream/web streamed = festival at http://cafenoodle.ning.com with donations in aid = of the MS Society.

If you are unsure on how to do a gig via = ustream you can find some useful info here:

http://www.liveunsigned.com/blog/category/ustreams/<= br>
You don't have to use ustream - as long as you can provide the = embed code thats great!

If you would like to perform at the = festival please let me know this week, I would like to confirm the line = up by next weekend. Please email me at mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com to confirm you = want to play. I will be doing lots of promo for this in the coming = weeks.

Thanks in advance



= = --Apple-Mail-12-108826442-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 16:41:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED6B43BE84; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <54678623-4732-47E9-A16B-98548CD82980@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: guide to programming the fcb1010 for echoplex? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:40:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <1WIKzB.A.kCG.gIofMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Ok here is my programming guide for the FCB1010. 1 unwrap your Behringer pedal 2 get a good hot fire going 3 find a big metal pot of sufficient size to fit the behringer in 4 drop behringer FCB1010 in to metal pot, place on raging fire and begin to stir, being sure to wear a good filter mask to avoid any toxic outgassing 5 cheerfully begin to stir the pot until the FCB1010 is melted down to its essential elements 6 bite the bullet and purchase a good quality midi foot controller like the Gordius Little giant, Voodoo laps ground control or liquid foot, and rejoice in the knowledge that if you ever experience a break down you can and will be able to obtain parts to fix it. over the period of 6 -7 years I went through threee behringer FCB1010's before I finally realized that my controller was of equal importance to any other piece of gear in my chain so I made the switch to the little giant about three years ago and other than having an issue with the LCD beginning to fail (Xavier told me his initial batch of LCDs had some dimming issues,I'm getting it fixed as soon as there is a lull in my work schedule.), it has performed flawlessly. The last time I tried to reach Behringer about replacing parts they where kind enough to send me a list of all of the parts, but do not carry any replacement parts. Fat lot of good that did me. Thanks Behringer,. What this means is the FCB1010 is no different than any other disposable technology these days, like a cell phone, if it breaks you have to buy a new one. With all of the attention paid to recycling and reusing, the behringer stuff is throw away. I wont buy another behringer product because of this, and the fact they are the reverse engineering Kings, regularly plundering and pillaging other peoples designs. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 19:50:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFBA73BE8B; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 19:50:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=a/1pdy27rH0mRK8Y+/DEvVTMxz3xHM7L0A9T5Gmi5O4=; b=xCEmIG2+6xpVzbuLOGWAM8pGdVbqNK99Zv05DczmJYedoFqGy3b6IN2swYMdjk07Ct 8xc/d/epiKS3NqAQijIiEiYCXNn1TMhboRnPO9aRDuFT99znvp+4Zokh+6bPRk822IDu Y7E9Hh3iw49nhtiadqiybr5z6h/EzMl1Q63dI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=PJrCvj+iQNusRlOIZo/wbPxF8YcFElvwKMcO0eab3FYi+mWayqfO200m61nxNoBIiV n7WXS8/G7JQ6wdqXV24bTgpZmLqi74AUpCDTPuhqzarWNbhNj7XN2/cjBWaNiLtINiIe mKGMNfqXDx8d4CrVZDLVXK/xUbY5JEXvPqj4c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <54678623-4732-47E9-A16B-98548CD82980@baymoon.com> References: <54678623-4732-47E9-A16B-98548CD82980@baymoon.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:49:57 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2ginhL9dAvCyKcpfZgxeXCMvQqM Message-ID: Subject: Re: guide to programming the fcb1010 for echoplex? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363103dfd25072048f3801da Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 19:50:22 +0000 (UTC) --0016363103dfd25072048f3801da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 heh heh.. i wish... mines just hanging on by the skin of its teeth.. a dodgy switch again.. Ive had that 3 times too.. but I had a different take on Behringer, when I asked for part numbers, I didnt expect them to supply me them, I just walked 100 meters to my local electronics store and bought 3 switches... sucked some solder, and popped in some new ones!! Easy as pie! Bill said > What this means is the FCB1010 is no different than any other disposable > technology these days, > > I say.. it only disposable if you dispose of it! Have to admit, Im looking forward to the Softstep... Im just fed up with carrying around a tank!!! Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016363103dfd25072048f3801da Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable heh heh.. i wish... mines just hanging on by the skin of its teeth.. a dodg= y switch again.. Ive had that 3 times too.. but I had a different take on B= ehringer, when I asked for part numbers, I didnt expect them to supply me t= hem, I just walked 100 meters to my local electronics store and bought 3 sw= itches... sucked some solder, and popped in some new ones!!
Easy as pie!

Bill said
What this means is the FCB1010 is no di= fferent than any other disposable technology these days,

I say.. it only disposable if you dispose of it!

Have to admit, Im looking forward to the Softstep... Im j= ust fed up with carrying around a tank!!!


Mark


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--0016363103dfd25072048f3801da-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 19:59:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 605D83BE8F; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 19:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=/T5mgitGmnHcWwsFZAhpai9x8SA+SCPQAsqq6vKumyA=; b=NuQA487yDzV/D8VOZE6xpUVxBggfEJGmwbu3n+JLjrUBivkCtFaBJnJAZYh4Pxbzj8 /WXeJPoYxsad2FFnRICnvf2eZ5rWvVhzy2cLpkhMAD+J2/CO1yRCx4ybKgADKDGw6b2d 0jQJOu9h9XddBmmIXscXAnEdnEqZpgjiDPW6Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=VmuKPF4CBXNoXS0cSyYEbyZar4PMvyV5JPbsKVLs3iLULTzrPezl4L72uKAw9pvs+o rQ6EbLCzQIYh5oRlAYrPU/5YkjbgQ9I+i+sGbgcEpjp/AvSEDfDe6j+z0tXUYnLlXCY0 URfZFdDu4zTJ80dJnJf/OfftoQqrWO6Lmfbus= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:59:05 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oFmkoTfxbi-eAbBy9AI6neb3w98 Message-ID: Subject: Re: stompbox reverbs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f8235ca6ab25a048f3822c2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 19:59:26 +0000 (UTC) --00c09f8235ca6ab25a048f3822c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I played the Digitech today Bill... The local store didnt have the Verbzilla, but there getting in for me to A/B with the digitech (Anyone know if the Digitech runs on normal Boss style power? - not buying another AC pedal... ever! I think if prob does cos it takes 9v batteries) Now.. I only tried the Hardwire in mono, into an AC30 I think.. and it was OK... but I hated the reverse.. totally useless, and the spring was OK, but the other big reverbs all sounded the same to me, nice but I couldnt hear any difference between them.. UNTILL I GOT TO THE GATE... Oh my... Oh my oh fucking my.. lovely.. I used to use a hard gated reverb (from a SPX90 I think) in the Cranes on bass... for this machine anlegg Front242 industrial chugger thing (check out Cranes Self Non Self a track called Fuse... thats me...) Fuck me Id forgotton that gated reverb used to BE MY THING... So I think, unless the Verbzill really blows me away, Im going with the Hardwire and getting my sound back... So.. Im very gald you think its got good fidelity and is hight quality Bill, I trust your ears more than mine frankly... TC, well.. its a bit out of my pocket Im afraid... Mark On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:12 PM, William Walker wrote: > I would take a longer look at the TC Nova reverb and the Digitech hardwire > reverb. I think both boast a more pristine reverb quality than the > Verbzilla. If you are coming across the pond it will be cheaper to buy here. > The store I work at partime usually stocks both the verbzilla and digitech > as well as EH and boss, and I have a nova verb as well you could try out. I > settled on the Nova verb over the others because I thought it had the most > useable parameters and the most transparent sound. > Bill > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00c09f8235ca6ab25a048f3822c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I played the Digitech today Bill... The local store didnt have the Verbzill= a, but there getting in for me to A/B with the digitech (Anyone know if the= Digitech runs on normal Boss style power? - not buying another AC pedal...= ever! I think if prob does cos it takes 9v batteries)

Now.. I only tried the Hardwire in mono, into an AC30 I thin= k.. and it was OK... but I hated the reverse.. totally useless, and the spr= ing was OK, but the other big reverbs all sounded the same to me, nice but = I couldnt hear any difference between them.. UNTILL
I
GOT
TO
THE
GATE...

Oh my... Oh my oh fucking my..

lov= ely..

I used to use a hard gated reverb (from a SP= X90 I think) in the Cranes on bass... for this machine anlegg =A0Front242 i= ndustrial chugger thing (check out Cranes Self Non Self a track called Fuse= ... thats me...)

Fuck me Id forgotton that gated reverb used to BE MY TH= ING...

So I think, unless the Verbzill really blow= s me away, Im going with the Hardwire and getting my sound back...

So.. Im very gald you think its got good fidelity and i= s hight quality Bill, I trust your ears more than mine frankly...=A0
<= div>
TC, well.. its a bit out of my pocket Im afraid...


Mark



On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:12 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymo= on.com> wrote:
I would take a longer look at the TC Nova r= everb and the Digitech hardwire reverb. I think both boast a more pristine = reverb quality than the Verbzilla. If you are coming across the pond it wil= l be cheaper to buy here. The store I work at partime usually stocks both t= he verbzilla and digitech as well as EH and boss, and I have a nova verb as= well you could try out. I settled on the Nova verb over the others because= I thought it had the most useable parameters and the most transparent soun= d.
=A0Bill




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--00c09f8235ca6ab25a048f3822c2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 20:03:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 588723BE8D; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283371421; bh=3R0B86WT4PuBDLa0Im6dJxveKPGQqsutCOPzPiAd3x0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Wq/p8MOoVAQZOmz6o6p2h/j/E21HwA4oAXmISD5Qt0dJ1RtXvv3PBK+SX/QYgASoehS4ipzC1x2YXTyUytrZKv5DFfeo3YZr0imFYfFR6kPRbM+MHew6WxAEfIv1FqdMDpYjtJyz7afK/Kd5RjD9aVzH5c3RKO/VC+qBDVcE75k= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3FnoojI2/bKub5si6rbXQfr5N9BJ9oaBpY72jkmcyh8Ve4m10q7jWG7EX5k7waC/5DDMrRb1wHqlOsJc4HYz9NBBNsd2zrdaAA+MbDEZ6urgTzp/cnPfta3/vyIUoKOXD2F9iKUKw0tG91kktmXYl7lopPguOneVdKTdIts2Jio=; Message-ID: <284148.62701.qm@web120505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KAHW4B8VM1nhrehJ95jh4ZPiCNdJZ8W27LN3oECIxq6q0lW v5yU- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:03:40 -0700 (PDT) From: jan gyn Subject: Re: stompbox reverbs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1029274413-1283371420=:62701" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:03:44 +0000 (UTC) --0-1029274413-1283371420=:62701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Neither the Verbzilla nor the TC Nova have a gate. -jan ________________________________ From: mark francombe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 12:59:05 PM Subject: Re: stompbox reverbs? I played the Digitech today Bill... The local store didnt have the Verbzilla, but there getting in for me to A/B with the digitech (Anyone know if the Digitech runs on normal Boss style power? - not buying another AC pedal... ever! I think if prob does cos it takes 9v batteries) Now.. I only tried the Hardwire in mono, into an AC30 I think.. and it was OK... but I hated the reverse.. totally useless, and the spring was OK, but the other big reverbs all sounded the same to me, nice but I couldnt hear any difference between them.. UNTILL I GOT TO THE GATE... Oh my... Oh my oh fucking my.. lovely.. I used to use a hard gated reverb (from a SPX90 I think) in the Cranes on bass... for this machine anlegg Front242 industrial chugger thing (check out Cranes Self Non Self a track called Fuse... thats me...) Fuck me Id forgotton that gated reverb used to BE MY THING... So I think, unless the Verbzill really blows me away, Im going with the Hardwire and getting my sound back... So.. Im very gald you think its got good fidelity and is hight quality Bill, I trust your ears more than mine frankly... TC, well.. its a bit out of my pocket Im afraid... Mark On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:12 PM, William Walker wrote: I would take a longer look at the TC Nova reverb and the Digitech hardwire reverb. I think both boast a more pristine reverb quality than the Verbzilla. If you are coming across the pond it will be cheaper to buy here. The store I work at partime usually stocks both the verbzilla and digitech as well as EH and boss, and I have a nova verb as well you could try out. I settled on the Nova verb over the others because I thought it had the most useable parameters and the most transparent sound. > Bill > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0-1029274413-1283371420=:62701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Neither the Verbzilla nor the TC Nova have a gate.
-jan

From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 12:59:05 PM
Subject: Re: stompbox reverbs?

I played the Digitech today Bill... The local store didnt have the Verbzilla, but there getting in for me to A/B with the digitech (Anyone know if the Digitech runs on normal Boss style power? - not buying another AC pedal... ever! I think if prob does cos it takes 9v batteries)

Now.. I only tried the Hardwire in mono, into an AC30 I think.. and it was OK... but I hated the reverse.. totally useless, and the spring was OK, but the other big reverbs all sounded the same to me, nice but I couldnt hear any difference between them.. UNTILL
I
GOT
TO
THE
GATE...

Oh my... Oh my oh fucking my..

lovely..

I used to use a hard gated reverb (from a SPX90 I think) in the Cranes on bass... for this machine anlegg  Front242 industrial chugger thing (check out Cranes Self Non Self a track called Fuse... thats me...)

Fuck me Id forgotton that gated reverb used to BE MY THING...

So I think, unless the Verbzill really blows me away, Im going with the Hardwire and getting my sound back...

So.. Im very gald you think its got good fidelity and is hight quality Bill, I trust your ears more than mine frankly... 

TC, well.. its a bit out of my pocket Im afraid...


Mark



On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:12 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
I would take a longer look at the TC Nova reverb and the Digitech hardwire reverb. I think both boast a more pristine reverb quality than the Verbzilla. If you are coming across the pond it will be cheaper to buy here. The store I work at partime usually stocks both the verbzilla and digitech as well as EH and boss, and I have a nova verb as well you could try out. I settled on the Nova verb over the others because I thought it had the most useable parameters and the most transparent sound.
 Bill




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--0-1029274413-1283371420=:62701-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 20:07:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DD733BE8B; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=qHyu8FPkq9Yo0e44nOniKTgB0HISj4Ti+Po56VbiTM4=; b=X1NDjSxCjmXdxi+8jGj5PG3Vu7VbdxkQyeiYJl81jPnR7xLSWK+C+ZmEkpYVSCS/dE kW4/q1FoBnpAx5evqr2KbdA6N3VdYubE+UkH62f/qP8sc9s8iIyUSz+vvyo9m4WBXx8r 46JETyPDRDUkEZyxF2kEEhsGm/4OKOd70XLDA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=aLjzPr9gwOU4sWRfWf/hA43we+GkbfaMix70pVb0Y4LnCBZm/wd8+4BB7/7qkErwbj hdx3v8uuxXucJnK+uxmfoWTM9x7gCXvpyg9e4ta5VHPnaQy1W8XCyJdueZta5PGWV670 TslyCfQW7FMxMnO6CUyfAaNMwBw9FyW6blMc8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <284148.62701.qm@web120505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <284148.62701.qm@web120505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:06:52 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8FzR9tdXP-1x-N7QvUHsWEddLX4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: stompbox reverbs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000feae7b0c1427840048f383e29 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:07:12 +0000 (UTC) --000feae7b0c1427840048f383e29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I know :(( But I still have the spx 90.. heh heh or wait a moment (returning from the "rack of un-used gear") Its a Alesis!! I think... gah!! My memory... On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:03 PM, jan gyn wrote: > Neither the Verbzilla nor the TC Nova have a gate. > -jan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* mark francombe > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Wed, September 1, 2010 12:59:05 PM > *Subject:* Re: stompbox reverbs? > > I played the Digitech today Bill... The local store didnt have the > Verbzilla, but there getting in for me to A/B with the digitech (Anyone know > if the Digitech runs on normal Boss style power? - not buying another AC > pedal... ever! I think if prob does cos it takes 9v batteries) > > Now.. I only tried the Hardwire in mono, into an AC30 I think.. and it was > OK... but I hated the reverse.. totally useless, and the spring was OK, but > the other big reverbs all sounded the same to me, nice but I couldnt hear > any difference between them.. UNTILL > I > GOT > TO > THE > GATE... > > Oh my... Oh my oh fucking my.. > > lovely.. > > I used to use a hard gated reverb (from a SPX90 I think) in the Cranes on > bass... for this machine anlegg Front242 industrial chugger thing (check > out Cranes Self Non Self a track called Fuse... thats me...) > > Fuck me Id forgotton that gated reverb used to BE MY THING... > > So I think, unless the Verbzill really blows me away, Im going with the > Hardwire and getting my sound back... > > So.. Im very gald you think its got good fidelity and is hight quality > Bill, I trust your ears more than mine frankly... > > TC, well.. its a bit out of my pocket Im afraid... > > > Mark > > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:12 PM, William Walker wrote: > >> I would take a longer look at the TC Nova reverb and the Digitech hardwire >> reverb. I think both boast a more pristine reverb quality than the >> Verbzilla. If you are coming across the pond it will be cheaper to buy here. >> The store I work at partime usually stocks both the verbzilla and digitech >> as well as EH and boss, and I have a nova verb as well you could try out. I >> settled on the Nova verb over the others because I thought it had the most >> useable parameters and the most transparent sound. >> Bill >> >> > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --000feae7b0c1427840048f383e29 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know
:((


But I still have the= spx 90.. heh heh or wait a moment (returning from the "rack of un-use= d gear") Its a Alesis!! I think... gah!! My memory...


On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:03 PM, jan gyn <jan_gyn@yahoo.com> wrote:
Neither the Verbzilla nor the TC Nova have a gate.
-jan

<= b>From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.= com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com
Sent:= Wed, September 1, 2010 12:59:05 PM
Subject: Re: stompbox reverb= s?

I played the Digitech today Bill... The local store didnt have the Verbzill= a, but there getting in for me to A/B with the digitech (Anyone know if the= Digitech runs on normal Boss style power? - not buying another AC pedal...= ever! I think if prob does cos it takes 9v batteries)

Now.. I only tried the Hardwire in mono, into an AC30 I thin= k.. and it was OK... but I hated the reverse.. totally useless, and the spr= ing was OK, but the other big reverbs all sounded the same to me, nice but = I couldnt hear any difference between them.. UNTILL
I
GOT
TO
THE
GATE...

Oh my... Oh my oh fucking my..

lov= ely..

I used to use a hard gated reverb (from a SP= X90 I think) in the Cranes on bass... for this machine anlegg =A0Front242 i= ndustrial chugger thing (check out Cranes Self Non Self a track called Fuse= ... thats me...)

Fuck me Id forgotton that gated reverb used to BE MY TH= ING...

So I think, unless the Verbzill really blow= s me away, Im going with the Hardwire and getting my sound back...

So.. Im very gald you think its got good fidelity and i= s hight quality Bill, I trust your ears more than mine frankly...=A0
<= div>
TC, well.. its a bit out of my pocket Im afraid...


Mark



On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:12 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
I would take a longer l= ook at the TC Nova reverb and the Digitech hardwire reverb. I think both bo= ast a more pristine reverb quality than the Verbzilla. If you are coming ac= ross the pond it will be cheaper to buy here. The store I work at partime u= sually stocks both the verbzilla and digitech as well as EH and boss, and I= have a nova verb as well you could try out. I settled on the Nova verb ove= r the others because I thought it had the most useable parameters and the m= ost transparent sound.
=A0Bill




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www.= markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
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http://www.looop.no




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--000feae7b0c1427840048f383e29-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 20:13:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D3363BE8F; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=5UyjEWdMj8RXDkoC2tV5D7o7vd+6dxhL3J/vOsUu2JA=; b=N8dMcLcxL5/An8CgOXowmroD51OYpT1ON6tG56LNLNgSeRzaX5b5FYfl4RD8bKc58i eefKGptY+DPRWGIdzCYd9MtUGhYe4PevqutteYAVPlYdXafSZ6gEitV/558hlwcyMWNQ lcDRuzr+IeiFz/4Ng+0IIvDctnD0FvQeD8klQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=KlXG0fPZ2Brz8tlUqNSU/VVXU4X64Mvq9NPpnGV9296iJfB6zep/eiDOHELKNz4hYl MLbl2rH72WhBwapuS6yKprDyZxDfkSvNKsQulgUD4JbJ5OVjFXwW0hvDzO1K0NgdKT5S 9bhszhsxh0vjnd6VYQrb8Sg8T3wgDmoNJvdY0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4848A8A8-E97B-49A2-9CEB-C8B63820C4EE@btinternet.com> References: <4848A8A8-E97B-49A2-9CEB-C8B63820C4EE@btinternet.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:08:26 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: kni1YtrVjzvfgn9zRQiI9EFBQxQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: Call For Performers (slightly OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e04544e247048f385682 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:13:56 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d7e04544e247048f385682 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Matt Stevens < mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote: > donations in aid of the MS Society. Whats that? The Matt Stevens Society? -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016e6d7e04544e247048f385682 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.= com> wrote:
donations in aid of the MS Society.

Whats that? The M= att Stevens Society?

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twitter @markfrancombe
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--0016e6d7e04544e247048f385682-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 20:35:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80A333BEAE; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BZD/STYzbFZKJoY/pvKiHk0oLF02fobE/XcbnVNOD78=; b=U2IO6C8rTcs6g/BAHJRxwkUX8lF70kEcXs6gW4SzwTPxMJhu9UZJgX8b6loC82Y6ua 9PSAWaZNO9fjGWoeNEdeTz+nzS+ReCnxiNOTXKzneewLLHGmNSmlUSBhRFh//tsX8DB+ 7co0N2KKtIHX62DZPGsy3W5mjWWmEuL+WOsXw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=kU7xBh/dlwjcMGhSWJeVC1nqfr5xZLc1kvR2msl4OmL9uoE67ddPFowNqW5GHLbU5S agGQ1x4R1DBvJ8fejYL4NC5a7V6aXVqcyZFOe7Nu6rNZxY62GPS7lkn52BElF9cdhI6j sE8blrPLvFoChzxTMp1eIGbA08853dg9//iG0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:35:04 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:35:05 +0000 (UTC) I have a Gordius Little Giant 2 incoming any day now! Think I will keep all my three used and partly defect Behringer pedals just for my own Morbid Mausoleum of Evil Gear. I already long for the day my LG2 will have an issue so I can walk across the local street and pick up the appropriate spare part. Such luxury isn't an option with the FCB tanks, but they all served me well until one part broke and forced be to buy a full new pedalboard. Since they come cheap I didn't mind the first time. Then it stopped feeling so cheap and by the third havoc I am realizing that the more expensive LG2 actually is less expensive in the long run. And simpler to travel with. If anyone wondered what this post was about, it is about MIDI Control Pedalboard Psychosis. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 20:45:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A30A3BEC3; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=u8AP5naCAm6FzPyyiSHxeQVMYlzc4uuPQf3Sz5MtSF8=; b=fAx51ligtbrX38nQa29kgO0phuElLOv9d5UqP9SN7rwOhBL0KFpsiD8hU0QaCme6gs c6olyROOXJtfASQhkJjqLKIGeCUOUj5CLh/NXlULI0LdirS/LwhDfjfKKdW+KDSUz+94 NEH+5E/1akbHQiaR9b2B/qvsRKEbxfQoU/VEw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KAifbrHqPF/Gqjortz5OkaGbGcwH7s2+oELorYLAwugjibHYSNjbnQwu6lkvr/aJO4 ct3rfHKuiFPg1wCdOqp7qCtNeVQF0McqIp2nQiczhgmxZ6KVPPJ8W3nHZ3/RrXoPkmJx x+sQcHminqkw9AQ0kzawT4s65CzLMmkVVPgUA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:45:41 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Jazz Electronica as a category label From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Some "Jazz Electronica" I can think of: Flanger Triosk Kammerflimmer Kollectief Jaga Jazzist DJ Spooky's "Optometry" album Roger Tubesound Ensemble (aka Atom Heart) Dawid Szczesny The Heliocentrics (more jazz hip-hop) Madlib (certain aliases such as "Yesterday's New Quintet") (more jazz hip-hop) This was the stuff I could find that combined elements of jazz and modern electronic "pop" music. There's lots of jazz with electronic elements going way back. I'm sure there's lots of stuff I'm missing even within the limits I set... Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 20:54:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FAC73BE8D; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:54:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=X8THweoCfWpHOdJsgzfsVAwRLn1jAdxwSsR7QqwzjFn3g26Pa4TY3D451Kgu1sRJ1vmzMhPMf3jEbxiGuvZ+dADYVp38G/s7I/d1heiTLrc9ufy9lBYrYdqyOCshNZlAyrM6apGxExS0tD7MhW/ttabETVHpR4zXB+5OYUwwA/M= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1283374449; bh=DAJDdRn2VfwdxGK3ljueuZzYifgKab1Q0vrAKDL49j8=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=XHXvVeKZX42950sim6kZ5WLPAfZJPYFuzB6rPiZwZvuL7wGt4FXJ/M1AgelQm9rFIjpQMnpTkNiS+vu35aLhFrRlwOlYj8DPdlwttERCc/UFuoHXmja8nzi4WjOh3Az12w3oEoTv3cMyAO8EIy5EAX3ZHPG7/LqA/7mQXy+NQiE= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: gtM7wysVM1kT2It0LSRtLRqtSGsCqlrQbLMOsfn9zHBKWJ9 vB6KFI0mNqUvGJsLxfxp3rD3NnaYcxrzHMopjPX7I99.ojXrX8fLdpOdYztu Zh_Ke_59psMfqZYB.xoq_0crcH9X91iXi8js4h9s5P97gygUa.RgiBfvqnNs JMKHCAkRadw5iT2Hbd.fw3sTRaTWAk_mkIR7FCGDCjujqyVLFl5es.i_LMQ7 uMa9Ad_A- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <4848A8A8-E97B-49A2-9CEB-C8B63820C4EE@btinternet.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-17-124566520 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Call For Performers (slightly OT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:54:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:54:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-17-124566520 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Multiple Sclerosis Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 1 Sep 2010, at 21:08, mark francombe wrote: > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Matt Stevens > wrote: > donations in aid of the MS Society. > > Whats that? The Matt Stevens Society? > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-17-124566520 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Multiple Sclerosis

Matt = Stevens
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On 1 Sep 2010, = at 21:08, mark francombe wrote:

On Sun, = Aug 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com> wrote:
donations in aid of the MS = Society.

Whats that? The Matt Stevens Society?

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= --Apple-Mail-17-124566520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 21:02:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40B5C3BE84; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Gjstbdk9/Tk6sM2BrLjLC10INrikVUSHfKEfHjUhAJw=; b=fmGl5enu9Av1osvljqQD45lb0903US4TE6OJ6udYPGN/uafo5NCYm7eAdmzIJ/V3pW xeCSVI/MJdkqkbVfdGqMRKxihJmECOYuo4tPM4/w66BV6Xsa75g79+TybYLbFgPa0jPH UFFOwdSa0Wdeymfr8DKg1HInofV90QhY+sfLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MIGmt+SUgipb94H5sN1hTrmkFZKCCpSNyRN9tn+e95zr8GfpJ77QYMGwqakKE6529F AQDJMGIRPdS7VuOww7wnLIarhvH2+gLYoC45qiUpeLOXN/qGSgIxfcAOPyudEl6QqrNF f5eb4TFjTzkP5d2QiqO3V1aSVQHBdQwbFUQaM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:01:59 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Jazz Electronica as a category label From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Don't forget Eivind Aarset is labeled this way as well. Good company indeed my friend. Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 21:15:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FA0C3BE8B; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Nth5AdWV02iktkcakOiYU5KCs5vPdoJ6mfxf17UYMX4=; b=p7ZA9beiOKrAwGDLiEXwGIMzzZ4GvN6EakrcAf8VnadVLloxDpZ2BDSLBJvmY6A1Oe pNZenmwj2nqdD3FLoglV14MVi+1Rh/2fTR1Csk5yBES0b5JpjYPekchkTsakk5qA/tKw PmGZqRAbL0z8n+9NDWLif4QHjjJPh/72Od5Z4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=hAocW0zW24eIy3LDf0Tg1dgQzMdFIKZ8LABemvuHEfxdc+Dov8TusJoJV8GzIM8rH9 YOrMOYmrZksygrLZmlzkeCRY39R4cDyHalMk1KVnLcuFcfuXHhhEBbrHiRgo/eIbC9Yg 3mXx7o24QNv0dKhlve6SSRnaBGGecd17iyGKM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:15:33 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: X3JpWC0LGkRA6ubrsCEf_fbTH_Y Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b324e1a9f7048f39339f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:15:54 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5b324e1a9f7048f39339f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > If anyone wondered what this post was about, it is about MIDI Control > Pedalboard Psychosis. > Which I am currently in... grrrr!! Tell me please the secret of having your laptop set-up KNOW your setting the next time you try and have a go... EVERY time I try to have a go at preparing a laptop set-up, I spend a WHOLE evening, trying all sortys of different settings... This time the sound card (Ozone Keyboard) worked np.. but did f***ing Live/Mobius (Who knows which???) find the FCB 1010 thru the midisport 2x2.. er no... Im gonna have to UN-plug the 1010, and plug it back into the EDPs so I can just wind-down... talk about Burning the Behringer, Im gonna "light the Laptop".. Mark > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --001636c5b324e1a9f7048f39339f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


If anyone wondered what this post was about, it is about MIDI Control
Pedalboard Psychosis.

Which I am curren= tly in... grrrr!!=A0

Tell me please the secret of = having your laptop set-up KNOW your setting the next time you try and have = a go...
EVERY time I try to have a go at preparing a laptop set-up, I spend a = WHOLE evening, trying all sortys of different settings...

This time the sound card (Ozone Keyboard) worked np.. but did f***i= ng Live/Mobius (Who knows which???) =A0find the FCB 1010 thru the midisport= 2x2..=A0

er no...

Im gonna have to UN-p= lug the 1010, and plug it back into the EDPs so I can just wind-down... tal= k about Burning the Behringer, Im gonna "light the Laptop"..

Mark



=

=A0

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub




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--001636c5b324e1a9f7048f39339f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 21:18:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87DBD3BEA9; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=RD6ioHvZ0OQ1JF4+8+h5izbWsWxW0wvjjIVbsmSLpZE=; b=PANZdoAfjDeHZm7dPcY4T7ipDrIbe4RGMqZ+OpHevP6Bb5lFd1/qBZ2TjEGvdkFLqm yjwsbuVzMHPLFaT4BN0Ytr2QL1OEMdHPwTtZFGbWCH+US3QrAEzdZT++OE0uhD8buwAX VvQ8ikShdP9GQOz7cOmcQlwyzxgT+Xa5PhM48= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=EVeEJT520uJwhMOJ/ey+eARqitUdpXYF2aDX6WPBSTQe2bSXZNUzqbWbpvSqcTn3tx Ly07AebEoHnRA4qZKma8qr+Uh4VPTy+Zfj2BrKyibf2nzIxEnbj9Wbux28ylx1Uay59U 37BKLvc8yncKPbdQz78RLkHSZ7vII7uW0F+A0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:18:18 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: iQNoP9DIpZVR9y3-CCUD7GY1y2g Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5ab04b94957048f393d60 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:18:39 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5ab04b94957048f393d60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I have a Gordius Little Giant 2 incoming any day now! Think I will > keep all my three used and partly defect Behringer pedals just for my > own Morbid Mausoleum of Evil Gear. But Per... ? Isnt Little Gordius just some kinda extension product for the Evil Silver Box? I have to admit, therefore switches still a problem? I never really understood what it was? -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --001636c5ab04b94957048f393d60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Per Boy= sen <perboysen@= gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Gordius Little Giant 2 incoming any day now! Think I will
keep all my three used and partly defect Behringer pedals just for my
own Morbid Mausoleum of Evil Gear.=A0

But P= er... ? Isnt Little Gordius just some kinda extension product for the Evil = Silver Box? I have to admit, therefore switches still a problem?
I never really understood what it was?=A0

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--001636c5ab04b94957048f393d60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 21:27:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C3893BED2; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) From: Reyn Ouwehand In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:27:46 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <983756B9-295A-4DC7-A868-1DBAF912E208@reyn.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Resent-Message-ID: <9gUi7.A.j1D.UVsfMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:27:48 +0000 (UTC) I love my Gordius pedal................. On Sep 1, 2010, at 10:35 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I have a Gordius Little Giant 2 incoming any day now! Think I will > keep all my three used and partly defect Behringer pedals just for my > own Morbid Mausoleum of Evil Gear. I already long for the day my LG2 > will have an issue so I can walk across the local street and pick up > the appropriate spare part. Such luxury isn't an option with the FCB > tanks, but they all served me well until one part broke and forced be > to buy a full new pedalboard. Since they come cheap I didn't mind the > first time. Then it stopped feeling so cheap and by the third havoc I > am realizing that the more expensive LG2 actually is less expensive in > the long run. And simpler to travel with. > > If anyone wondered what this post was about, it is about MIDI Control > Pedalboard Psychosis. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 21:31:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E9F83BEDE; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=avtBN1Sj+wm2ddGZcVLKXxkagZsYKcZfLotwSwYTNaM=; b=Fmps2M+ornhacdWyP5uepJ7n3/PTvXtMibff2WhvfoiUdnVzh8t4FA2FqjDPuZCSzL 2Dc3CY3+KsFZUvTDqQ1EE4JtSGZohOQYWcj4NP4WSTytFn97XFFfzQLc6puurbLjSOWd ZQ0Fg7I2pmWvKpoecTDNEraLxD+ffb9UM/768= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=NKGt5xl9f/OPaQPZ8c2SIBdTJcETxpGVxvRN6MrtvSHIKfdU7O/do6lz8fI1O3qwI3 Aq3CwqRexldX1NxScGx0NEpEVcZrDonDDTUHqbh2QYryPCiL+E9O2S+iZ4TvXxvCrRZL 155KFmzTR+gXuUuP88x3zdx3Hv7mT4NY9g1t4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:31:34 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dQaTtYF5dx4OzmOEvnkIuHJWXTo Message-ID: Subject: Re: Call For Performers NOW live4Pakistan thoughts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f78f6a2cc9ec048f396ddf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:31:55 +0000 (UTC) --001485f78f6a2cc9ec048f396ddf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it me? Or Is humour banned in the USA now? No Smokin=B4 No Jokin=B4 I think MS stands for Mister Serious... Anyway.. sorry Matt... good job! By the way, did anyone drop in on the REALLY COOL live4Pakistan event on vokal last night. Zoe played twice from her forest, I posted to the group a= s it was happening.. but havent heard any peep from you=E1ll. It was an inspiring evenings entertainment, but prob morning in the US...(didnt understand the programming really) Organised by Imogen Heap, wh= o sadly couldnt make it, but in her stead, any one from the audience was aske= d to step up and play. resulting in some truly AMAZING finds... A guy called Sean Ryan, had the 1000 strong net audience SCREAMING ( caps typing) for more... There was also live looping from seminal film composer Mark Isham, who did = a really distorted Trumpet and drum machine thing... I think Zoe helped him set up the live looping cos I saw her tweet that she was round his house 2 days ago... It was an OUTSTANDING event, that I felt I was part of the future... and They/we raised 12,000 dollars, in 3 hours.. which I thought was pretty darn good. Apparently enough to help build temporary housing for 25 familiys. sorry you UStream guys missed it... Mark On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Matt Stevens < mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote: > Multiple Sclerosis > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > On 1 Sep 2010, at 21:08, mark francombe wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Matt Stevens < > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> donations in aid of the MS Society. > > > Whats that? The Matt Stevens Society? > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > > > --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --001485f78f6a2cc9ec048f396ddf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it me?=A0Or Is humour banned in the USA now? No Smokin=B4 No Jokin=B4
I think MS stands for Mister Seri= ous...

Anyway.. sorry Matt... good job!
=
By the way, did anyone drop in on the REALLY COOL live4Pakistan event = on vokal last night. Zoe played twice from her forest, I posted to the grou= p as it was happening.. but havent heard any peep from you=E1ll.

It was an inspiring evenings entertainment, but prob morning= in the US...(didnt understand the programming really) Organised by Imogen = Heap, who sadly couldnt make it, but in her stead, any one from the audienc= e was asked to step up and play. resulting in some truly AMAZING finds... A= guy called Sean Ryan, had the 1000 strong net audience SCREAMING ( caps ty= ping) for more...

There was also live looping from seminal film composer = Mark Isham, who did a really distorted Trumpet and drum machine thing... I = think Zoe helped him set up the live looping cos I saw her tweet that she w= as round his house 2 days ago...

It was an OUTSTANDING event, that I felt I was part of = the future... and They/we raised 12,000 dollars, in 3 hours.. which I thoug= ht was pretty darn good. Apparently enough to help build temporary housing = for 25 familiys.

sorry you UStream guys missed it...

Mark






On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:54 PM, M= att Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:
Multiple Sclerosis


On 1 Sep 2010, at 21:08, mark francombe wrote:
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On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Matt Steven= s <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:
donations in aid= of the MS Society.

Whats that? The Matt Stevens Soci= ety?

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--001485f78f6a2cc9ec048f396ddf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 21:36:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 947B73BEE9; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=keRK/x7Y1sOxVrMngdvVFHG+W8CewZwEON5cIYxTQpU=; b=uX4dtGjVC5gNFySGuhy2s9MVLNuTnt3kwGHlajGU6v1fo7kzPxaAjXUGvuF0DY9p2a 7r5mYU8kBuCXvktuu7XSM+HxckL3Grkb36hRWHJE2xbUuhNC9awgf61xjCJZlo7O68tk ApBeB01qlgur6k7to2e8hxiIAyGVUlj9K4etA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=aX5GX9G3qZU0pHjGKkmRTC4X2he9ocYynJC4xotj6+Tn1SaBBBi3lrqXBSsnvJlNv0 Oz2kCKSC3OMWcm5e+REKrpqd5w0t84YpOlqnsA13xugr+6/yFsIH+mINyh0KBcfBjSf+ ujqFk2AOkOF8/+Z0WGfbvE7bv8UCgC22OKRHA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:36:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:36:10 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:15 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Tell me please the secret of having your laptop set-up KNOW your setting the > next time you try and have a go... To me it is not "a laptop setup". It is "my setup". In fact the same live looping setup I have been using since around 2000. What I mean by "set up" is "my palette of real-time audio processing commands" and they have rarely changed in ten years. I stick with the same interface and that interface is mental, an idea about live audio processing possible with a looper. Developed once and then rarely changed at all, although refined in detail over time. But if you look at it from a technical view the whole shebang has of course changed - but not my way of playing it. First audio was caught and processed insed an EDP and an Electrixpro Repeater, mixed with a Lexicon reverb on a bus and an AKAI MFC42 analog filterbank. Sometimes an Alesis MMT8 MIDI sequencer were used to feed MIDI sequences to induce delirium in the loopers but when this box packed up it was replaced by a wimpy old Powerbook laptop. By 2005 I noticed all my sixty-something looping and processing commands could be handled by Mobius, a new PC freeware. So I picked up a PC lappy and stored away the boxes, but I never changed MY SETUP! But instead of the Alesis MIDI sequencer, or a slaved Ableton Live MIDI Clips session, I made scripts in Mobius to achieve the dynamic processing (different systems of manipulating looper speed while all in overdub mode, and some other goodies). For two years I used a TC Electronics FireworX in front of the Mobius lappy - for live sound processing pre looper - but when Mobius got available as a plugin I could throw that task at a host application instead (Bidule, Mainstage). So you see, there's no secret and nothing has ever changed. Well, hopefully the music is changing ;-) I never changed my Behringer FCB1010 bank layout i ten years. Now I will need to make some adjustments because the Gordious pedalboard doesn't seem to allow the same layout of "Bank A of MIDI Note number 1 to 10, Bank B of MIDI Note number 11 to 20, Bank C of MIDI Note 21 to 30 etc etc. I use 70 foot commands and they have almost never changed. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 21:38:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C1723BEF7; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=h+AXWDv2Vyc3myk+LDKvC+enfX7vuROepby3Dl8kK7E=; b=IWJ3+G2GKHsR3lQmcaNFEQpwI7BjLIFaaGADMd0MT1XhB9ZbNokD659gPU0sJYoNvz 1EQVemwEB+DgAobC18dWkGiDH8PPqJPBgleE6OFm97MLzpeTLLoFJP0IVqNz4C6FSHd7 EJPQljg1P8j8ZiyHOuLEVnF5cOYePFvbQDRL4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xGVKyOUTDujkHU1enNjq4uEiLuCbwIxfOWaCtHxqpk8LgHwJubih8iPgfo1SReCDp4 TUiuWa6UiRXM8AFHhpkaC0v4NrTUaoGspRCnX7VvKJL9HtKD9Eob1BGgVccR4xx1cCWh cjbFfRzQNgg6PwjUhMHJqSk9Q3wAWBXv3EKQo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:38:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:38:20 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:18 PM, mark francombe wrote: > But Per... ? Isnt Little Gordius just some kinda extension product for the > Evil Silver Box? http://www.gordius.be/midi-footcontroller-lg.php p ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 21:47:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 154B43BF0E; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8F4AEC7E-BEB7-4C5A-9B38-E8637A32FB2D@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: guide to programming the fcb1010 for echoplex? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:47:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:47:16 +0000 (UTC) "heh heh.. i wish... mines just hanging on by the skin of its teeth.. a dodgy switch again.. Ive had that 3 times too.. but I had a different take on Behringer, when I asked for part numbers, I didn't expect them to supply me them, I just walked 100 meters to my local electronics store and bought 3 switches... sucked some solder, and popped in some new ones!! Easy as pie!" It didn't even occur to me at the time that perhaps i could source the parts, now I have to get in touch with them again to get the list...I think Homer Simpson said it best....Doh! i still have two off them, the one in better condition is in the hands of a friend, and the other one is languishing in my garage with a couple of hinky switches and a squeaky cc pedal, at the very least I'll see if i can source the right parts. I don't own a soldering tool which is something I need to invest in. They sent me an entire list of parts with no descriptions other than numerical part numbers, and I think the fact that it was going to require detective work on my part was the final nail in the coffin for looking in to investing more money in a better pedal. Also perhaps Behringer Europe is more user friendly that Behringer in the US, as far as customer service goes. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 21:56:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25A2A3BE8E; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Js4uxHBfaV4A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=zQiYORMAAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=pxYv7M_wG8a7XVFNcwIA:9 a=yuPeb3ZxhvCAJuhcCxPLx5fyh2cA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 Message-ID: <20100901175608.6QUFL.8280159.root@mp05> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:56:08 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jazz Electronica as a category label Cc: Matt Davignon In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 68.118.35.162 by ssomail.charter.net; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 17:56:07 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:56:09 +0000 (UTC) I suppose that the recent project that Krispen Hartung and I did, "Dance Music foe Inanimate Objects", pretty much falls into that category. The CDs not out yet but Krispen has files to listen to at: ---- Matt Davignon wrote: ============= Some "Jazz Electronica" I can think of: Flanger Triosk Kammerflimmer Kollectief Jaga Jazzist DJ Spooky's "Optometry" album Roger Tubesound Ensemble (aka Atom Heart) Dawid Szczesny The Heliocentrics (more jazz hip-hop) Madlib (certain aliases such as "Yesterday's New Quintet") (more jazz hip-hop) This was the stuff I could find that combined elements of jazz and modern electronic "pop" music. There's lots of jazz with electronic elements going way back. I'm sure there's lots of stuff I'm missing even within the limits I set... Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 22:49:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DE673BEC3; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=6DACiAKB9IWWaN7dhhD2IayOgKDdubb/gg7BteQYF4Q=; b=VJ3JzEMGAuq6w5e6vheAHw7ite2yUqkTAnPmWlGuCiRdFj2UPYuSM51mYD4uU7835Z TKhL4FZ/BGhA4iCHxtTpYNTc9u/PgyzhyC2XcZOnn8N7Waq82B/M7gNidkLYB5FbaCYM C+1YZixa+4fyBOzv+OGNdi8ZpfR0neIzXCzT0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=itJv6sk0Tt6/+aOU1AO4uUdP+xoNO0AjPipIprF1DDkOFS7yyOFot1vkFIXuNgAvRy 87GujLzwxEVrA6oZC6NJkEoG3QebrmMPWVlKe8Jebw4jF6IfafQfK2ZGYooGWsJwt7/R ZaqZuiJhETkgdCAiNah8y+7WjJF7r6ZSS0V3c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 00:49:22 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: L2IlVY7uO_2E8bIhc46lQVoeCj4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e045666f17048f3a83b0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:49:43 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d7e045666f17048f3a83b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry Per but you misunderstood me completely, I must try and be more concise.. Im just having my usual trouble, that everytime I go to the laptop and plug in.. It doesnt work.. and I waste an evening trying to figure out why! When it comes to computers, Im a film guy... music is often a bit of a trial for me on a computer, due to malfunctioning brain. It was YOU who helped me set up Mobius THRU Live, and if worked flawlessy that one time. but now I come back to it after a month and its not working... Im sure Ill get it working, but I probably wont know why! However, It was a fascinating read to hear about your changes in equipment... strangely simerlar to me actually. I have on my site somewhere a diagramI drew in 1981, and its remarkable similar to now, except two tape machines where the loopers are!! ha ha! Oh.. and I googled the Gordius and found the pedal... silly me Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016e6d7e045666f17048f3a83b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Per but you misunderstood me completely, I must try and be more conci= se.. Im just having my usual trouble, that everytime I go to the laptop and= plug in.. It doesnt work.. and I waste an evening trying to figure out why= !

When it comes to computers, Im a film guy... music is often = a bit of a trial for me on a computer, due to malfunctioning brain.

It was YOU who helped me set up Mobius THRU Live, and if = worked flawlessy that one time. but now I come back to it after a month and= its not working... Im sure Ill get it working, but I probably wont know wh= y!

However, It was a=A0fascinating=A0read to hear about yo= ur changes in equipment... strangely simerlar to me actually. I have on my = site somewhere a diagramI drew in 1981, and its remarkable=A0similar=A0to n= ow, except two tape machines where the loopers are!! ha ha!

Oh.. and I googled the Gordius and found the pedal...
silly me

Mark
--0016e6d7e045666f17048f3a83b0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 1 23:38:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DCFC3BEA2; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283384338; bh=oxOhyqPdW8PAGiZ8cbu46oXLGVWO5oJESXLtlp3N64g=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MjNY4Q6cVaxl4+UPpsjReEuBBuQ4pbD6YP8u0220nqGDOF/tWmmzdXsZxWYFNBmW6jMeSDAroE9AJ6KLrfa7W3Qj7xYlMKhrW2NXmS/aloKO9FMpPL+lruZMxIfA72KLdMp/wiguDULAuOHZL/4RGTxmpfNvHqr5BDAUwYTumPw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hxTMXs45LwCJPd0vbcVNCcj17Mgt148OCNH5RQjZE/2CnCJCAkKnh8C+/1aULb2GwfN3XwSTapeoFzroKhhjgef5gbipwgA2wGr9L6oBk/4cFqGtG+pCz/D+dh6x6H1ZjuA1qMlkz4Ug1ulaw94URrb8UMnG74DDaa4KboqDaj4=; Message-ID: <672392.67502.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gPgYzqMVM1lPg4eOmgzUzIeHXXwz8Lmex6By_kC86sUU2JM iWLONSkARD56TVXqGMxVj1DwcBAgDc5JPTjTvL_JW33jykiWluIvObIL6evO o0f7t_GfshWGFOLfBewKvsNdiTS1q9G7PE7IAdT6lnI45XXSuvrKwNWF090k AkmUuB0DD00nM2l4Xi.OzO1ofU5uwBcPc3dK24yAztw6kujifH1ZUWz7slKB .lm.A_unr6oMDcc6gDcGcw4aNaEvtWOmRKi5PjaQDBfvVw20Zt96aM7Y6cyV 0sQluYWJFQkZGrf0Ca_tz4w3WnU.6UQYLC5DnIvFUmnOyU56BkYE..FWPRsK PewpBlQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:38:58 -0700 (PDT) From: david kirkdorffer Subject: Jazz Electronica as a category label To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-692494920-1283384338=:67502" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:38:59 +0000 (UTC) --0-692494920-1283384338=:67502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking for "Jazz Electronica"?=0A=0AMan, you gotta check out FLYING LOTUS = from L.A.=A0 =0Ahttp://flying-lotus.com/=0Ahttp://flying-lotus.com/mmmhmm= =A0=0A=0AAnd De-Phazz=0Ahttp://www.dephazz.com/discography.htm=0Ahttp://www= .myspace.com/dephazz=0A=0AOver and out.=0A=0ADavid=0A=0A=0A --0-692494920-1283384338=:67502 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looking for "Jazz Electronica"?
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Man, you gotta check out FLYING LOTUS from = L.A. 
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=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-692494920-1283384338=:67502-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 01:15:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 063563BE8B; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 01:15:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-140224831 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: stompbox reverbs? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:15:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <4T1QNC.A.DlH.gqvfMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 01:15:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-140224831 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46rom the Nova verb manual, I haven't experiment with this feature as =20= a gate but i'll try it and see, if it works. if so, it might be worth trying to find a used one. The other feature =20= it has which is cool is an input attenuator test function that reads =20= your hardest dynamics and adjusts accordingly, I've used this on my =20 wife Nancy's vocal's and it helps to avoid any clipping Bill Knobs 9 - Dynamix A unique feature inherited from the legendary TC 2290 delay. Dynamix allows you to control the level of the reverb via the dynamics of the input signal. Turning the control clockwise towards =93pos=94 (positive), the reverb output is attenuated while you play and increased in-between phrases. This actually allows you to play with quite a lot of reverb without clouding or disturbing your phrases. Turning the control counterclockwise towards =93inv=94 (inverse), you can do exactly the opposite; more reverb applied while playing and less when you stop playing. With the knob in 12 o=92clock position, no dynamix is applied. Input Level Calibration Your Nova Reverb pedal is per default set up to work well right out the box - just as any other stompbox pedal. However, you can optimize the performance of your Nova pedals AD/DA converters by calibrating the input sensitivity. Follow this step-by-step guide: =95 Calibration of the input sensitivity should be done to the max. expected input level. Therefore you should turn on boosters etc. that are placed prior to the Nova Reverb pedal in the signal chain. =95 Press, hold and release the ROOM button. The 5 LEDs in second row from the bottom is lit. =95 Play with the loudest* sound you use for a few seconds and watch some of the 5 LEDs turn off one by one. How many that are turned off, depend on the output of your guitar. When no further changes seem to appear the pedal is calibrated. =95 Press any key to exit. =95 The pedal is now calibrated * By your =93loudest=94 sound we mean the sound with the highest dynamic content. This is most likely a clean sound as overdrive sounds per nature are compressed. Reverb Types Reverb type and sub-type can be selected using buttons 11-15. =95 Press once to select type. =95 Press same selector additional times to select subtype. Example: - Sub-types for =93Spring=94 is: Plain, Classic and Vintage. 11 - Room Press ROOM to select between the following types of room reverbs: Small, Medium, Large and Tiled. Small - Medium - Large Three variations tuned to reproduce the sound of differently sized rooms. Tiled Room Often you=92ll want to get the =93bathroom=94 effect, without actually wanting it to sound like you=92re playing in your bathroom. The Tiled Room reverb simulates the qualities of a small to medium sized tiled room with its many reflections and at the same time it behaves respectfully towards the original source material. Use it as an effect that adds quite a bit of color to your sound. 7 OPERATION= --Apple-Mail-2-140224831 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46rom the Nova verb manual, I = haven't experiment with this feature as a gate but i'll try it and see, = if it works.
if so,  it might be worth trying to find a used = one. The other feature it has which is cool is an input attenuator test =  function that reads your hardest dynamics and adjusts accordingly, = I've used this on my wife Nancy's vocal's and it helps to avoid any = clipping
Bill

 Knobs

9 - Dynamix
A unique feature = inherited from the legendary TC 2290
delay. Dynamix = allows you to control the level of the
reverb via the = dynamics of the input signal.
Turning the = control clockwise towards =93pos=94 = (positive),
the reverb output is attenuated while you = play and
increased in-between phrases. This actually = allows you
to play with quite a lot of reverb without = clouding or
disturbing your phrases. Turning the control = counterclockwise
towards =93inv=94 (inverse), you can do = exactly
the opposite; more reverb applied while = playing and
less when you stop playing. With the knob in = 12
o=92clock position, no dynamix is = applied.


Input Level Calibration
Your Nova Reverb = pedal is per default set up to work
well right out the = box - just as any other stompbox
pedal. However, = you can optimize the performance of
your Nova pedals = AD/DA converters by calibrating the
input sensitivity. = Follow this step-by-step guide:
=95 Calibration of = the input sensitivity should be done
to the max. = expected input level. Therefore you
should turn on = boosters etc. that are placed prior to
the Nova Reverb = pedal in the signal chain.
=95 Press, hold = and release the ROOM button. The 5
LEDs in second row = from the bottom is lit.
=95 Play with the loudest* sound you use for = a few
seconds and watch some of the 5 LEDs turn = off
one by one. How many that are turned off, = depend
on the output of your guitar. When no = further
changes seem to appear the pedal is = calibrated.
=95 Press any key to = exit.
=95 The pedal is now = calibrated
* By your =93loudest=94 sound we mean the = sound with the highest
dynamic content. This is most likely a clean = sound as overdrive
sounds per nature are = compressed.
Reverb Types
Reverb type and = sub-type can be selected using
buttons = 11-15.
=95 Press once to select = type.
=95 Press same selector additional times to = select subtype.
Example: - Sub-types for =93Spring=94 is: = Plain,
Classic and = Vintage.
11 - Room
Press ROOM to = select between the following types of
room reverbs: = Small, Medium, Large and Tiled.
Small - Medium - = Large
Three variations tuned to reproduce the sound = of
differently sized rooms.
Tiled = Room
Often you=92ll want to get the =93bathroom=94 effect, = without
actually wanting it to sound like you=92re = playing in your
bathroom. The Tiled Room reverb simulates = the
qualities of a small to medium sized tiled room with = its
many reflections and at the same time it = behaves
respectfully towards the original source = material. Use it
as an effect that adds quite a bit of color = to your sound.
7
OPERATION
=
= --Apple-Mail-2-140224831-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 01:57:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C54333BE8D; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 01:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <941401D5-F12C-4D60-97DD-624046DAE030@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Call For Performers NOW live4Pakistan thoughts Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:57:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 01:57:59 +0000 (UTC) This whole thing somehow failed to show up on my radar, because I haven't been reading all the posts and busy. Any chance for a re-broadcast? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 04:18:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 875943BE8B; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 04:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283401138; bh=yNGPA/PVQWXrMZZMV3aTZOW3VGU7vcWtRAcjKFvcCw4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W4Cz0iRVmRyQUop1kM3eujzz0tVSU+nP1m9IMJ585Crcf8JHN2dnOLJMqdPpGlP3QLG6vW9f32G5Fnsak0Ou5Wn+IUw0HgBZia512GPEo4+/IBr+8+Qv2OAsPCBu9WdMA/Yb0p4xd/VnOOaYkWyWUhSWzI+8UWEfFSWI8MIBy8A= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Rzi0N9gT5wWjv/tQ5/hOXXSvcfQa5icoLvrAfa1CH/O5lNRciLFPrugk90XQt6TYZr8a+1DXpynWYJCuJ1+jwbW8eksTDxZbqBDZvVDZnFMI39neusL7fcAlFOn1jEOcH9kylLop917GnI8SnXr3eFfDKCVpvIhniPXCw4qSBMA=; Message-ID: <405923.3166.qm@web120503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DgwsvXIVM1lTsCgYdVTdDufoeB6XJIm32KscP8mGr9zIbX9 jErZHc0bbmxIRaqXEl36CSRjp1L.1_iXg5NQPx.94PXpKbMsHWrnX8.PxoyM O1asmvGXkx_29l0I2mPihsR1D4OSSnZErRwXyhlNcCU2T1AGmx09fgvYAb3u yXT55dJAUfiHHxsSNk5XLN6sHcgFh3K8PaHcGElLRYhPrCOFYusde_ksLsyU GGlLm.IUb4z_n6W_Gv0XDjPT5_MI_Q_.ixUIgZdMkNHR.DR9wYnzHgLN2YqZ LNx_CH7gGXkWcjG_k X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:18:58 -0700 (PDT) From: jan gyn Subject: Re: stompbox reverbs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-425943042-1283401138=:3166" Resent-Message-ID: <8iSbTB.A.StC.zWyfMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 04:18:59 +0000 (UTC) --0-425943042-1283401138=:3166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This's a wonderful feature on the TC Nova, but it lacks the steampunk on/of= f =0Aeffect of the gate as known by 80s muzik.=0A-jan=0A=0A=0A=0A__________= ______________________=0AFrom: William Walker =0ATo= : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Wed, September 1, 2010 6:15:0= 2 PM=0ASubject: Re: stompbox reverbs?=0A=0AFrom the Nova verb manual, I hav= en't experiment with this feature as a gate but =0Ai'll try it and see, if = it works.=0Aif so, it might be worth trying to find a used one. The other = feature it has =0Awhich is cool is an input attenuator test function that = reads your hardest =0Adynamics and adjusts accordingly, I've used this on m= y wife Nancy's vocal's and =0Ait helps to avoid any clipping=0ABill=0A=0A= =0A Knobs=0A=0A9 - Dynamix=0AA unique feature inherited from the legendary = TC 2290=0Adelay. Dynamix allows you to control the level of the=0Areverb vi= a the dynamics of the input signal.=0ATurning the control clockwise towards= =E2=80=9Cpos=E2=80=9D (positive),=0Athe reverb output is attenuated while = you play and=0Aincreased in-between phrases. This actually allows you=0Ato = play with quite a lot of reverb without clouding or=0Adisturbing your phras= es. Turning the control counterclockwise=0Atowards =E2=80=9Cinv=E2=80=9D (i= nverse), you can do exactly=0Athe opposite; more reverb applied while playi= ng and=0Aless when you stop playing. With the knob in 12=0Ao=E2=80=99clock = position, no dynamix is applied.=0A=0A=0AInput Level Calibration=0AYour Nov= a Reverb pedal is per default set up to work=0Awell right out the box - jus= t as any other stompbox=0Apedal. However, you can optimize the performance = of=0Ayour Nova pedals AD/DA converters by calibrating the=0Ainput sensitivi= ty. Follow this step-by-step guide:=0A=E2=80=A2 Calibration of the input se= nsitivity should be done=0Ato the max. expected input level. Therefore you= =0Ashould turn on boosters etc. that are placed prior to=0Athe Nova Reverb = pedal in the signal chain.=0A=E2=80=A2 Press, hold and release the ROOM but= ton. The 5=0ALEDs in second row from the bottom is lit.=0A=E2=80=A2 Play wi= th the loudest* sound you use for a few=0Aseconds and watch some of the 5 L= EDs turn off=0Aone by one. How many that are turned off, depend=0Aon the ou= tput of your guitar. When no further=0Achanges seem to appear the pedal is = calibrated.=0A=E2=80=A2 Press any key to exit.=0A=E2=80=A2 The pedal is now= calibrated=0A* By your =E2=80=9Cloudest=E2=80=9D sound we mean the sound w= ith the highest=0Adynamic content. This is most likely a clean sound as ove= rdrive=0Asounds per nature are compressed.=0AReverb Types=0AReverb type and= sub-type can be selected using=0Abuttons 11-15.=0A=E2=80=A2 Press once to = select type.=0A=E2=80=A2 Press same selector additional times to select sub= type.=0AExample: - Sub-types for =E2=80=9CSpring=E2=80=9D is: Plain,=0AClas= sic and Vintage.=0A11 - Room=0APress ROOM to select between the following t= ypes of=0Aroom reverbs: Small, Medium, Large and Tiled.=0ASmall - Medium - = Large=0AThree variations tuned to reproduce the sound of=0Adifferently size= d rooms.=0ATiled Room=0AOften you=E2=80=99ll want to get the =E2=80=9Cbathr= oom=E2=80=9D effect, without=0Aactually wanting it to sound like you=E2=80= =99re playing in your=0Abathroom. The Tiled Room reverb simulates the=0Aqua= lities of a small to medium sized tiled room with its=0Amany reflections an= d at the same time it behaves=0Arespectfully towards the original source ma= terial. Use it=0Aas an effect that adds quite a bit of color to your sound.= =0A7=0AOPERATION=0A=0A=0A --0-425943042-1283401138=:3166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This's a wonderful feature on the TC Nova, but it = lacks the steampunk on/off effect of the gate as known by 80s muzik.
<= div>-jan

From: William Walke= r <billwalker@baymoon.com>
T= o: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 6:15:02 PM
Subject: Re: stompbox reverbs?<= br>
=0AFrom the Nova verb manual, I haven't experiment with this = feature as a gate but i'll try it and see, if it works.
if so,  it= might be worth trying to find a used one. The other feature it has which i= s cool is an input attenuator test  function that reads your hardest d= ynamics and adjusts accordingly, I've used this on my wife Nancy's vocal's = and it helps to avoid any clipping
Bill

 Knobs

A unique feature inherited from the legendary TC 2290=
delay. Dynamix allows you to control the level of the=
reverb via the dynamics of the input si= gnal.
Turning the control clockwise towards =E2=80=9Cpos=E2=80=9D (positi= ve),
the reverb output is attenuated whi= le you play and
increased in-between phr= ases. This actually allows you
to play with quite a lot of reverb without clouding or
disturbing your phrases. Turning the control counter= clockwise
towards =E2=80=9Cinv=E2=80=9D = (inverse), you can do exactly
the opposite; more reverb applied while playing and
less when you stop playing. With the knob in 12=
o=E2=80=99clock position, no dynamix is applie= d.


Input Level Calibration
Your Nova Reverb peda= l is per default set up to work
well rig= ht out the box - just as any other stompbox
pedal. However, you can optimize the performance of
your Nova pedals AD/DA converters by calibrating the<= /b>
input sensitivity. Follow this step-by-step guide:
=E2=80=A2 Calibration of the input sensitiv= ity should be done
to the max. expected input level. Therefore you
should turn on boosters etc. that are placed prior to
= the Nova Reverb pedal in the signal chain.
=E2=80=A2 Press, hold and release the ROOM button. The 5
LEDs in second row from the bottom is lit.<= /font>
= =E2=80=A2 Play with the loudest* sound you use = for a few
seconds and watch some of the 5 LEDs turn off
one by one. How many that are turned off, depend
on the output of your guitar. When no further=
changes seem to appear the pedal is calibrated.
=E2=80=A2 Press any key to exit.
=E2=80=A2 The pedal is now calibrated
* By your =E2=80=9Cloudest= =E2=80=9D sound we mean the sound with the highest
<= div style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:= 0px;font:normal normal normal 7px/normal 'Gill Sans';">dynamic content. This is most likely a clean sound as overdrive<= /span>
<= b>Reve= rb Types
Reverb type and sub-type can be= selected using
buttons 11-15.
=E2=80=A2 Press once to select type.
=E2=80=A2 Press same selector additional times to select subtype.
Example: - Sub-types for =E2=80=9CSpri= ng=E2=80=9D is: Plain,
Classic a= nd Vintage.
11 - Room
Press ROOM to select b= etween the following types of
room reve= rbs: Small, Medium, Large and Tiled.
Small - Medium - Large
= Three variations tuned to reproduce the soun= d of
differently sized rooms.
Tiled Room
Often you=E2=80=99ll want to get t= he =E2=80=9Cbathroom=E2=80=9D effect, without
actually wanting it to sound like you=E2=80=99re playing in your
= bathroom. The Tiled Room reverb simulates th= e
qualities of a small to medium sized tiled room with its
many reflections and at the same time it behaves
respectfully towards the original source = material. Use it
as an effect that adds quite a bit of color to your sound.
<= i>7
= OPERATION
=0A=0A=0A

=0A= =0A --0-425943042-1283401138=:3166-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 05:51:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06D343BE8C; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 05:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: Subject: RE: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:50:57 +0200 Message-ID: <5AB602FAF44642F981F855A93D8FD4F7@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01CB4A73.9467B4B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: ActJ6kVupI5D6ahrTKuJV2I0jLk80gAeGnwg X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.4.46; VDF: 7.10.11.63) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 05:51:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01CB4A73.9467B4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It's called "Polymetric Counterpoint #1" and it's a minimalistic loop based composition realized superimposing musical patterns with different metrics (3-4-5-6) sharing the same pulse. All cellos, strings and piano patterns were played and looped live and later mixed with a computer software very nice Fabio ... will there eventually be a full length CD of this kind of music? -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01CB4A73.9467B4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> It's called "Polymetric = Counterpoint=20 #1" and it's a minimalistic loop based composition realized = superimposing=20 musical patterns with different metrics (3-4-5-6) sharing the same = pulse. All=20 cellos, strings and piano patterns were played and looped live and = later=20 mixed with a computer software 
 
very nice Fabio ... will there eventually be a full = length CD of=20 this kind of music? 
 
-Michael
------=_NextPart_000_008B_01CB4A73.9467B4B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 05:58:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F23C33BE8B; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 05:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_88bfee9e-aa60-4931-b877-3e1ba801119b_" X-Originating-IP: [86.143.215.242] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: guide to programming the fcb1010 for echoplex? Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 05:58:40 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <54678623-4732-47E9-A16B-98548CD82980@baymoon.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2010 05:58:40.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4A94F70:01CB4A63] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 05:58:41 +0000 (UTC) --_88bfee9e-aa60-4931-b877-3e1ba801119b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've ditched my fcb smply on the basis that it's too big and heavy. I gigge= d it for years without a hitch though several times a week so no complaints= there. I'm using a modified Zoom 8080 pedal from the 80's as my foot controller bu= t dread it giving up the ghost. It's small and light and ideal for me and t= he switches are SILENT! I've seen many a looping performance spoiled in part by the annoying clicki= ng of bloody switches. =20 \peace =20 g From: mark@markfrancombe.com Date: Wed=2C 1 Sep 2010 21:49:57 +0200 Subject: Re: guide to programming the fcb1010 for echoplex? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com heh heh.. i wish... mines just hanging on by the skin of its teeth.. a dodg= y switch again.. Ive had that 3 times too.. but I had a different take on B= ehringer=2C when I asked for part numbers=2C I didnt expect them to supply = me them=2C I just walked 100 meters to my local electronics store and bough= t 3 switches... sucked some solder=2C and popped in some new ones!! Easy as pie! Bill said What this means is the FCB1010 is no different than any other disposable te= chnology these days=2C I say.. it only disposable if you dispose of it! Have to admit=2C Im looking forward to the Softstep... Im just fed up with = carrying around a tank!!! Mark --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no = --_88bfee9e-aa60-4931-b877-3e1ba801119b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've ditched my fcb smply on the basis that it's too big and heavy. =3B= I =3Bgigged it for years without a hitch though several times =3Ba = week so no complaints there.
I'm using a modified Zoom 8080 pedal from the 80's as my foot controller&nb= sp=3Bbut dread it giving up the ghost. It's small and light and ideal for m= e and the switches are SILENT!
I've seen many a looping performance spoiled in part by the annoying clicki= ng of bloody switches.
 =3B
\peace
 =3B
g
From: mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Wed=2C 1 Sep 2010 21:49:57 +0200
S= ubject: Re: guide to programming the fcb1010 for echoplex?
To: Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com

heh heh.. i wish... mines just hanging on= by the skin of its teeth.. a dodgy switch again.. Ive had that 3 times too= .. but I had a different take on Behringer=2C when I asked for part numbers= =2C I didnt expect them to supply me them=2C I just walked 100 meters to my= local electronics store and bought 3 switches... sucked some solder=2C and= popped in some new ones!!
Easy as pie!

Bill said
What this means is the FCB1010 is no different than any = other disposable technology these days=2C

I say..= it only disposable if you dispose of it!

Have to admit=2C Im looking forward to the Softstep... Im just fed up = with carrying around a tank!!!


Mark
= --_88bfee9e-aa60-4931-b877-3e1ba801119b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 06:14:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1C5E3BE8C; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 06:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3782772c-b6f5-4758-bc4e-6b4862af1eb8_" X-Originating-IP: [86.143.215.242] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 06:14:47 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2010 06:14:48.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[25254430:01CB4A66] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 06:14:49 +0000 (UTC) --_3782772c-b6f5-4758-bc4e-6b4862af1eb8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's an odd one Mark. As long as you press save once you have it sorted o= ut=2C it should keep all the functions.=20 You might want to try inserting a midi monitor plugin to=2C well=2C monitor= =2C what's going on at several points though the chain.=20 =20 Peace =20 G =20 From: mark@markfrancombe.com Date: Wed=2C 1 Sep 2010 23:15:33 +0200 Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com If anyone wondered what this post was about=2C it is about MIDI Control Pedalboard Psychosis. Which I am currently in... grrrr!!=20 Tell me please the secret of having your laptop set-up KNOW your setting th= e next time you try and have a go... EVERY time I try to have a go at preparing a laptop set-up=2C I spend a WHO= LE evening=2C trying all sortys of different settings... This time the sound card (Ozone Keyboard) worked np.. but did f***ing Live/= Mobius (Who knows which???) find the FCB 1010 thru the midisport 2x2..=20 er no... Im gonna have to UN-plug the 1010=2C and plug it back into the EDPs so I ca= n just wind-down... talk about Burning the Behringer=2C Im gonna "light the= Laptop".. Mark =20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no = --_3782772c-b6f5-4758-bc4e-6b4862af1eb8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's an odd one Mark. As long as you press save =3Bonce you have it s= orted out=2C it should keep all the functions.
You might want to try inserting a midi monitor plugin to=2C well=2C monitor= =2C what's going on at several points though the chain.
 =3B
Peace
 =3B
G
 =3B
From: mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Wed=2C 1 Sep 2010 23:15:33 +0200
S= ubject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-)
To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com



If anyone wondered what this post was about=2C i= t is about MIDI Control
Pedalboard Psychosis.

Which I am currently in... grrrr!! =3B

Tell me please the secret of having your laptop set-up KNOW your setti= ng the next time you try and have a go...
EVERY time I try to have a go at preparing a laptop set-up=2C I spend = a WHOLE evening=2C trying all sortys of different settings...

This time the sound card (Ozone Keyboard) worked np.. but did f***ing = Live/Mobius (Who knows which???)  =3Bfind the FCB 1010 thru the midispo= rt 2x2.. =3B

er no...

Im gonna have to UN-plug the 1010=2C and plug it back into the EDPs so= I can just wind-down... talk about Burning the Behringer=2C Im gonna "ligh= t the Laptop"..

Mark




 =3B

Greetings from Sweden

P= er Boysen
www.boysen.s= e
www.perboyse= n.com
www.loopr= oom.com internet music hub




--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfranco= mbe
http://vimeo= .com/user825094
htt= p://www.looop.no
= --_3782772c-b6f5-4758-bc4e-6b4862af1eb8_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 07:45:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBEE93BE8C; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=HIXLzrR7XeqRKhvv8ZjFmmXmekonqyFtRGd10jC2rx7RcDO/QnbKqteYq+U1huRcH/f6PTxmaU7vyVNBRSVqeGW9/T4vV1QlAbafrj97xHWepbDrcBjEdHSUAtd3ijVN82B3A6VeDxYin4Y1XnX4tAatUeZ059XUbNdiCsatPTs= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1283413518; bh=lzQWFQWzsfSB+0eFYAJZUV0953F69GAzU4HRsnjpYwY=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=UGq9VdYJUGwG2ZUsDDxdYlB+SgJmScMZxFfQiWsSaeMnkP4AYawa9+f32tREH45F9v0wdY6qEfAR8SETy0RuU+MHvRGAu1LBFM3r7KBT9J5ZzJ/+QUAGvnvpKqDdZCCrVvZMTu+yNpHsdyXrduFio4/NxJ9h2H7UUhN86KVuWiQ= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: 03dUn2gVM1maHUp85r2Vd5LdFM0zVzuHBhr5aiuW3jiV7Pb do.4v5hpVAfaIqdWBdZnHZ4X4BALYph1mkrsCUnhxwjAcghlvk_NOmeQcucx eliMR4RlmMELhyTkqP0mq4l0ivnurw8vI2af5nEx4Q29S.a9HbqctbaDVHS6 xXd2b9y21fJKnQ0TB6Lzcg8CJ519oPf1B6spJgmiPzPcQZqprkvuZC8nP.oq N1cFsdJKr X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-20-163634336 Message-Id: <6AB872D8-E2CD-426E-B598-B27E87AD2779@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Call For Performers NOW live4Pakistan thoughts Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:45:12 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:45:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-20-163634336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed lol - seriously - someone said that they thought I was raising money =20 for me!! Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 1 Sep 2010, at 22:31, mark francombe wrote: > Is it me? Or Is humour banned in the USA now? No Smokin=B4 No Jokin=B4 > > I think MS stands for Mister Serious... > > Anyway.. sorry Matt... good job! > > By the way, did anyone drop in on the REALLY COOL live4Pakistan =20 > event on vokal last night. Zoe played twice from her forest, I =20 > posted to the group as it was happening.. but havent heard any peep =20= > from you=E1ll. > > It was an inspiring evenings entertainment, but prob morning in the =20= > US...(didnt understand the programming really) Organised by Imogen =20 > Heap, who sadly couldnt make it, but in her stead, any one from the =20= > audience was asked to step up and play. resulting in some truly =20 > AMAZING finds... A guy called Sean Ryan, had the 1000 strong net =20 > audience SCREAMING ( caps typing) for more... > > There was also live looping from seminal film composer Mark Isham, =20 > who did a really distorted Trumpet and drum machine thing... I =20 > think Zoe helped him set up the live looping cos I saw her tweet =20 > that she was round his house 2 days ago... > > It was an OUTSTANDING event, that I felt I was part of the =20 > future... and They/we raised 12,000 dollars, in 3 hours.. which I =20 > thought was pretty darn good. Apparently enough to help build =20 > temporary housing for 25 familiys. > > sorry you UStream guys missed it... > > Mark > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Matt Stevens =20 > wrote: > Multiple Sclerosis > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > On 1 Sep 2010, at 21:08, mark francombe wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Matt Stevens =20 >> wrote: >> donations in aid of the MS Society. >> >> Whats that? The Matt Stevens Society? >> >> --=20 >> mark francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no > > > > > --=20 > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-20-163634336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 lol - seriously - someone said that they thought I was raising money for = me!!

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 1 Sep 2010, = at 22:31, mark francombe wrote:

Is it = me? Or Is humour banned in the USA now? No Smokin=B4 No = Jokin=B4

I think MS stands = for Mister Serious...

Anyway.. sorry Matt... = good job!

By the way, did anyone drop in on = the REALLY COOL live4Pakistan event on vokal last night. Zoe played = twice from her forest, I posted to the group as it was happening.. but = havent heard any peep from you=E1ll.

It was an = inspiring evenings entertainment, but prob morning in the US...(didnt = understand the programming really) Organised by Imogen Heap, who sadly = couldnt make it, but in her stead, any one from the audience was asked = to step up and play. resulting in some truly AMAZING finds... A guy = called Sean Ryan, had the 1000 strong net audience SCREAMING ( caps = typing) for more...

There was also live = looping from seminal film composer Mark Isham, who did a really = distorted Trumpet and drum machine thing... I think Zoe helped him set = up the live looping cos I saw her tweet that she was round his house 2 = days ago...

It was an OUTSTANDING event, that = I felt I was part of the future... and They/we raised 12,000 dollars, in = 3 hours.. which I thought was pretty darn good. Apparently enough to = help build temporary housing for 25 familiys.
=

sorry you UStream guys missed = it...

Mark






On = Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com> wrote:
Multiple = Sclerosis


On 1 Sep = 2010, at 21:08, mark francombe wrote:

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> = wrote:
= donations in aid of the MS Society.

Whats that? = The Matt Stevens Society?

--
mark = francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

=



-- =
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
=

= --Apple-Mail-20-163634336-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 07:46:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 769633BE90; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=NSVe3BuBoCXWcKru4OTjuY5kvP23pJ4TZhOu+QYAoxrD5i+jGih1CILBLqZAWU2boxsr5v1U26N3mjBJCTvXWmWZsrUyDPgNin5wAZP6dFn9QRZBZhhlR963+3EK3v41086elJn6/moeDGQZYweaeHaAqlBehmQIJv58p6sVFa8= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1283413576; bh=mD9fP8e/ToYV0psH2SXHtg5jnQKn090AMOJqr+qy0YU=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=rlg5quY/o0JeJQk3NqO7XjEXBm0bMLb5szIDzPxPYdi+RiqbalZylB0W1Za84FvY26Nh7ZPhdj4H+iTTegIPq06dVtvgbJRoZngi7svTMVTyApAOrF3QDALHWker47m6uNhWk6PwNuYBqg6AGomAPLnPANIm7Eg03JEfH8C4W8Q= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: hdZHYCEVM1nw5pywTLHo3BgUnLBeYIxMNoDEZcuFTBHxNct LCi8neF4xL1dFeFKckf1MYeiQu1sp5mf5UhZJ_I6deTahEZRgnKyWYezMQMd yopDF9ume1xtwKwmFiRZ9OIArDcBKleuyaDMcqNaA_m4WIYu34_VTlOaCFs9 ir7cRhyX3QxeJsGmU5xB2UC6tgSpHnx8fA8u9eRprWXdbY193nnn.tWdYHyW dltAaQzA_ X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-21-163692545 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Call For Performers NOW live4Pakistan thoughts Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:46:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <1Ru8pC.A.x4G.JZ1fMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:46:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-21-163692545 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Live 4 Pakistan was awesome - like an internet telethon - great to =20 see Zoe Keating on there Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 1 Sep 2010, at 22:31, mark francombe wrote: > Is it me? Or Is humour banned in the USA now? No Smokin=B4 No Jokin=B4 > > I think MS stands for Mister Serious... > > Anyway.. sorry Matt... good job! > > By the way, did anyone drop in on the REALLY COOL live4Pakistan =20 > event on vokal last night. Zoe played twice from her forest, I =20 > posted to the group as it was happening.. but havent heard any peep =20= > from you=E1ll. > > It was an inspiring evenings entertainment, but prob morning in the =20= > US...(didnt understand the programming really) Organised by Imogen =20 > Heap, who sadly couldnt make it, but in her stead, any one from the =20= > audience was asked to step up and play. resulting in some truly =20 > AMAZING finds... A guy called Sean Ryan, had the 1000 strong net =20 > audience SCREAMING ( caps typing) for more... > > There was also live looping from seminal film composer Mark Isham, =20 > who did a really distorted Trumpet and drum machine thing... I =20 > think Zoe helped him set up the live looping cos I saw her tweet =20 > that she was round his house 2 days ago... > > It was an OUTSTANDING event, that I felt I was part of the =20 > future... and They/we raised 12,000 dollars, in 3 hours.. which I =20 > thought was pretty darn good. Apparently enough to help build =20 > temporary housing for 25 familiys. > > sorry you UStream guys missed it... > > Mark > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Matt Stevens =20 > wrote: > Multiple Sclerosis > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > On 1 Sep 2010, at 21:08, mark francombe wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Matt Stevens =20 >> wrote: >> donations in aid of the MS Society. >> >> Whats that? The Matt Stevens Society? >> >> --=20 >> mark francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no > > > > > --=20 > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-21-163692545 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Live 4 Pakistan was awesome - like an internet telethon - great to see = Zoe Keating on there

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 1 Sep 2010, = at 22:31, mark francombe wrote:

Is it = me? Or Is humour banned in the USA now? No Smokin=B4 No = Jokin=B4

I think MS stands = for Mister Serious...

Anyway.. sorry Matt... = good job!

By the way, did anyone drop in on = the REALLY COOL live4Pakistan event on vokal last night. Zoe played = twice from her forest, I posted to the group as it was happening.. but = havent heard any peep from you=E1ll.

It was an = inspiring evenings entertainment, but prob morning in the US...(didnt = understand the programming really) Organised by Imogen Heap, who sadly = couldnt make it, but in her stead, any one from the audience was asked = to step up and play. resulting in some truly AMAZING finds... A guy = called Sean Ryan, had the 1000 strong net audience SCREAMING ( caps = typing) for more...

There was also live = looping from seminal film composer Mark Isham, who did a really = distorted Trumpet and drum machine thing... I think Zoe helped him set = up the live looping cos I saw her tweet that she was round his house 2 = days ago...

It was an OUTSTANDING event, that = I felt I was part of the future... and They/we raised 12,000 dollars, in = 3 hours.. which I thought was pretty darn good. Apparently enough to = help build temporary housing for 25 familiys.
=

sorry you UStream guys missed = it...

Mark






On = Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com> wrote:
Multiple = Sclerosis


On 1 Sep = 2010, at 21:08, mark francombe wrote:

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> = wrote:
= donations in aid of the MS Society.

Whats that? = The Matt Stevens Society?

--
mark = francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

=



-- =
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
=

= --Apple-Mail-21-163692545-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 09:33:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 490C73BE8F; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FFsCNDsq40Tlx4Q0TUXCdYTun8u/MgnOpBRH1sphYxM=; b=Cpqp7VNevJDUdo7XHaqYRvJM/j+3suI0VOPDaRylF6MA2Mz9P+tkmGNtCYLxboLKje 6ESPICig+t2dAe/EpoRBo9djpNo+MJwQFVthlBPoxoCMTaz1Y2DZuC5IoTYif1Q8ZpJD aqJ0ft5M3i0ud+B9O/180L5/wHt5H5PQKf8DQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pgsLThU/+xLp3rfnJDeDd3LznyFxojGL8h4+E20fivSvJSq3lNC86D4og/GkgEEAzM 3IhnrLiAL0cWy5irXN8bwiQgJuj80uPAK8jt9XPdNENFApQSf4CNLIESX5qtY1MoamyT tRYp1yMser+hwNV+LecP8pcDAvRWBuQyX2ppc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:33:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:33:14 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:49 AM, mark francombe wr= ote: > However, It was a=C2=A0fascinating=C2=A0read to hear about your changes i= n > equipment... strangely simerlar to me actually. I have on my site somewhe= re > a diagramI drew in 1981, and its remarkable=C2=A0similar=C2=A0to now, exc= ept two tape > machines where the loopers are!! ha ha! lol Mark, must be this? http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?page_id=3D334 Cool. In -81 I looped with just too units: a 512 ms Ibanez Digital Delay and an Ibanez Harmo Delay. The DD had a "Hold" button with foot switch that froze the loop. The cool thing was that I could put the harmonizer in the effect loop of the DD and thus create those cascading delays (soon to be known as "Eventide-ish"). That was a rudimentary implementation so most of my present "setup" was just dreams back then. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 10:35:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01BC43BE8F; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=adE51S1BuakM4PAo970N9ziTlbv8QkSQ2uYBf4JZGZc=; b=fExyY05gUWBKoJ9N8xaI95jyO+toJKizoMvuKhwdhYnX9QQfFOhtaWB6piY7dZ7WhF eq6mwuDV4FEsd23aOO4gCKZTmnk07IEkQ/Jy39352yXR/sJHcf/006oLaNpIc0NN/A+/ h9ELpihn83SNCZeEvUYUR8guNikOAOVVuUI8E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mfMo3IySrLxMyGrBNs7Jz7LPVlqRBJdk9wQW2fYoodGLlFiZq7CYCd2R7Cz3YsI1Bg OJZh9f6XUOorHjQcpHiISsKNntolQg62Ymuh32ySGv8oBihiu4Oyx3sh8l/9etMS5CdN eUpJfeP8c4UCfIGMAiold4WlkXsfg1MHD8A7Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <332758.61090.qm@web56501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <332758.61090.qm@web56501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:35:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT- new video clip From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68f9c8458551f048f445ef4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:35:10 +0000 (UTC) --0016e68f9c8458551f048f445ef4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 great suff bro,gear no object,is what u do with it but you gotta like n feel comfortable with it since when do you use the loop station? is your digitech Jaman under the ground now? cheers Luis On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:53 AM, KalimbaMan wrote: > Thanks Jeff! 2880's rule :) > > On Tue Aug 31st, 2010 7:30 PM EDT Jeff Duke wrote: > > >Excellent Kevin! Freaked me out when the vocoder came in, :) RC 50? no > worries, some belittle my 2880 also, lol. Good job! > > > >Jeff > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: > >To: "Loopers Delight" > >Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:00 PM > >Subject: OT- new video clip > > > > > >> Hey Everyone, In the spirit of looping, I wanted to share with you a > video clip called "Kalimba Vocoder" that we just posted last night > >> (although I'm aware of how you feel about the loop station I'm using in > the video :) > >> > >> Thanks, -Kev > >> > >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > >> > > > > > > > > --0016e68f9c8458551f048f445ef4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable great suff bro,gear no object,is what u do with it but you gotta like n fee= l comfortable with it
since when do you use the loop station? is your di= gitech Jaman under the ground now?
cheers
Luis

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:53 AM, KalimbaMan <kalimbaman7@yahoo.com> wrote:<= br>
Thanks Jeff! 2880's rule :)

On Tue Aug 31st, 2010 7:30 PM EDT Jeff Duke wrote:

>Excellent Kevin! Freaked me out when the vocoder came in, :) RC 50? no = worries, some belittle my 2880 also, lol. Good job!
>
>Jeff
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: <kalimbaman7@yahoo.com>
>To: "Loopers Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:00 PM
>Subject: OT- new video clip
>
>
>> Hey Everyone, In the spirit of looping, I wanted to share with you= a video clip called "Kalimba Vocoder" that we just posted last n= ight
>> (although I'm aware of how you feel about the loop station I&#= 39;m using in the video :)
>>
>> Thanks, =A0-Kev
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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--0016e68f9c8458551f048f445ef4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 10:46:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 382DE3BE8C; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=UVteBeTuuQTIn+ft/HXWyXP8PvuzdWGNPvYqi3C4APQ=; b=csDQuJ7A5Jz1juqy1Dyl6AsI0nsLzGsYYd4pBCBhF99aGlnfOinF8pjaNSNZKQxKlH LYZfuQf5v7VEdicyjXg9ItLjkz2d2g+UPzHAeeXKd5Wk8XiSfveBp8KdpQEVyRpPL0/D PIRV5e0Nxi9SieeGL+IL+sQqmjZrZS1R8ILac= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uvR/X7uyXEA9PN5xyrXQO51ualSKQR5uWBq3WNos7HgF2r/LLxvflF52Pu70zML6IQ gxZLyhfFaVzOxjp01SqKE+Kx/5IHuik4uWLq46H0ry7/kujGiRpYFN15V74qsfOQLRqA Y8Xr+sp/5eb4j45IXuYCyIMhgHATDDVa4CcoE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <54678623-4732-47E9-A16B-98548CD82980@baymoon.com> References: <54678623-4732-47E9-A16B-98548CD82980@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:46:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: guide to programming the fcb1010 for echoplex? From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e8878e347bdf8048f448538 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:46:06 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e8878e347bdf8048f448538 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 wow,wow,wow stay away from the liquid fooot guys,it looks awesome but is very expensive,ackward and painful to program and horrible support,believe me i went throught it and could not get the virtual comands of the EDP to work,very flaky MIDI as well and is more geared to simple use with the AXE FX when i went back to the cheap behringer FCB1010 i felt so relieved that i actually apreciate it more now;-) id rather buy 4 FCB1010s than that thing! cheers Luis On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:40 PM, William Walker wrote: > Ok here is my programming guide for the FCB1010. > 1 unwrap your Behringer pedal > 2 get a good hot fire going > 3 find a big metal pot of sufficient size to fit the behringer in > 4 drop behringer FCB1010 in to metal pot, place on raging fire and begin to > stir, being sure to wear a good filter mask to avoid any toxic outgassing > 5 cheerfully begin to stir the pot until the FCB1010 is melted down to its > essential elements > 6 bite the bullet and purchase a good quality midi foot controller like the > Gordius Little giant, Voodoo laps ground control or liquid foot, and rejoice > in the knowledge that if you ever experience a break down you can and will > be able to obtain parts to fix it. > > over the period of 6 -7 years I went through threee behringer FCB1010's > before I finally realized that my controller was of equal importance to any > other piece of gear in my chain so I made the switch to the little giant > about three years ago and other than having an issue with the LCD beginning > to fail (Xavier told me his initial batch of LCDs had some dimming > issues,I'm getting it fixed as soon as there is a lull in my work > schedule.), it has performed flawlessly. The last time I tried to reach > Behringer about replacing parts they where kind enough to send me a list of > all of the parts, but do not carry any replacement parts. Fat lot of good > that did me. Thanks Behringer,. What this means is the FCB1010 is no > different than any other disposable technology these days, like a cell > phone, if it breaks you have to buy a new one. With all of the attention > paid to recycling and reusing, the behringer stuff is throw away. I wont > buy another behringer product because of this, and the fact they are the > reverse engineering Kings, regularly plundering and pillaging other peoples > designs. > Bill > > --e0cb4e8878e347bdf8048f448538 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow,wow,wow stay away from the liquid fooot guys,it looks awesome but is ve= ry expensive,ackward and painful to program and horrible support,believe me= i went throught it and could not get the virtual comands of the EDP to wor= k,very flaky MIDI as well and is more geared to simple use with the AXE FX<= br> when i went back to the cheap behringer FCB1010 i felt so relieved that i a= ctually apreciate it more now;-)
id rather buy 4 FCB1010s than that thin= g!
cheers
Luis

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 = at 6:40 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
Ok here is my pro= gramming guide for the FCB1010.
=A01 unwrap your Behringer pedal
2 =A0get a good hot fire going
3 find a big =A0metal pot of sufficient size to fit the behringer in
4 drop behringer FCB1010 in to metal pot, place on raging fire and begin to= stir, being sure to wear a good filter mask to avoid any toxic outgassing<= br> 5 cheerfully begin to stir the pot until the FCB1010 is melted down to its = essential elements
6 bite the bullet and purchase a good quality midi foot controller like the= Gordius Little giant, Voodoo laps ground control or liquid foot, and rejoi= ce in the knowledge that if you ever experience a break down you can and wi= ll be able to obtain parts to fix it.

=A0over the period of 6 -7 years I went through threee behringer FCB1010= 9;s before I finally realized that my controller was of equal importance to= any other piece of gear in my chain so I made the switch to the little gia= nt about three years ago and other than having an issue with the LCD beginn= ing to fail (Xavier told me his initial batch of LCDs had some dimming issu= es,I'm getting it fixed as soon as there is a lull in my work schedule.= ), it has performed flawlessly. =A0The last time I tried to reach Behringer= about replacing parts they where kind enough to send me a list of all of t= he parts, but do not carry any replacement parts. Fat lot of good that did = me. Thanks Behringer,. What this means is the FCB1010 is no different than = any other disposable technology these days, like a cell phone, if it breaks= you have to buy a new one. =A0With all of the attention paid to recycling = and reusing, the behringer stuff is throw away. =A0I wont buy another behri= nger product because of this, and the fact they are the reverse engineering= Kings, regularly plundering and pillaging other peoples designs.
=A0Bill


--e0cb4e8878e347bdf8048f448538-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 11:33:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 124F23BE8C; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=v0wfYKcg9S1esg4OL1hjYNGXy4URT9Ym7lPlaAaoLkU=; b=Apk+CTQvG6It1VaBxzc0qb8lmu3qOSzhaBN8TXV+j1yHZ8/GOEjGEAnlJKUYS7m00c 2HEDj84acgeNxaLXZWWANagkSl6vHpHSawtGMsiOdVJ40Xe6d98IysdI2R1bWJWl0DLP sw1HnmqlrbJdq1//G0JbbXDsab+TgxJrGGNcM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=J2sNr15Jl9anDX7RxkYzJ95I8rjqM+havTSINs/Uupcu6s3KGpPQVtYL+IhY/HKV9Q LCUKG37417naDmFPsrmkMwDRnGuTJNPvlxTs2NVk4cllUhYA1rzjihQD/yPuxaHvVuW/ NDB6/2z9J1S8v0i/H27+UxH0Qh5t5gzbMWbSM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5AB602FAF44642F981F855A93D8FD4F7@mpeserver> References: <5AB602FAF44642F981F855A93D8FD4F7@mpeserver> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:33:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:33:58 +0000 (UTC) > very nice Fabio ...=A0will there eventually be a full length CD of this k= ind > of music? Well done Fabio, very nice track...as always :) --=20 Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 11:47:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 678F23BE88; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rGFNECmjoyC5KcGltotFI6ai2nId/ObNXOdTqOumzyk=; b=JsqRuBH6dXzSCCcK2fKjcD8AO2SKwe+yW0+WZ3XTmXO0QcBqDl9nH01xWChwO+9k7u uFuxGbCrP4NeKGYDz7Ict3NoaewvOaBFeHDxwE3pRGeiGTYXz+akOt9in5aFjP5FfMWt Zal722AFo+VmYFUrNbJxiLasUz/BsEz5MhJOM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QRuX2BkN61WcuVCSSJRTQ1iv645rz4CN2JFNKPjr0BX30durKORfkZQvgdyOGH+jeR 48Uq6oR6Pxb66XB7NfwM4PAjp38w/JjwcZgP3yqmTXcUiZvQ02BtZsHLSW/NLLYiWuFG MsxjpshCNQn+B1HoI4tKQcPknebsPnxs+pmkI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5AB602FAF44642F981F855A93D8FD4F7@mpeserver> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:47:45 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0014853d202cf024ca048f456153 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:47:46 +0000 (UTC) --0014853d202cf024ca048f456153 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thank you, Sjaak. You're the 2nd who donated money; thanks ! fabio www.eterogeneo.com 2010/9/2 Sjaak Overgaauw > > very nice Fabio ... will there eventually be a full length CD of this > kind > > of music? > > Well done Fabio, very nice track...as always :) > > -- > Sjaak Overgaauw > http://premonitionfactory.com/ > http://livelooping.be/ > > --0014853d202cf024ca048f456153 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you, Sjaak.
You're the 2nd who donated money; thanks !
=A0
fabio


=A0
2010/9/2 Sjaak Overgaauw <<= a href=3D"mailto:tcplugin@gmail.com">tcplugin@gmail.com>
> very nice Fabio ...=A0will there eventually be a ful= l length CD of this kind
> of music?

Well done Fabio, ve= ry nice track...as always :)

--
Sjaak Ove= rgaauw
http://premoni= tionfactory.com/
http://livelooping.be/


--0014853d202cf024ca048f456153-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 12:30:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2C713BE8B; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:30:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=72pBmXDH1n8lbPSAYyE9ufhka3oQgsH+kKiBkuNaDfo=; b=xPT5jIu7/P5n/62D3RSH2NfHfzEBzIriQi9anLynToGAB4352luzqwBqDPCUJxX8Dl AVl1kWvXcblohuw369oO6uX3jOYtimrQgujNIYym7UNsisCBjb2+NHhSGiqFyFgGdQdT P2MuNG/Ziu4UldsiXObFJ/dfTIbH/tMcdD2Z0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mtdoPFriwOJ1ZoIEgCMwZeghYnd5mBjiEZsFPXLddOOKsNVWeskNFfVyV2HCce3wc8 4Ma3f0b+OakfpQ9fL3niZ+CqF5Lw63M1xx6V9g2DsRp6KKMecHR8b6ulvRA+6JNtdg/d YTfLKugh6CIXBT3fHc1pemJz0JPV6EWERw4lU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5AB602FAF44642F981F855A93D8FD4F7@mpeserver> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:30:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6a81e314455048f45f9d3 Resent-Message-ID: <2sv-FC.A.p7D.Lj5fMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:30:03 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6a81e314455048f45f9d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2010/9/2 Sjaak Overgaauw > > very nice Fabio ... will there eventually be a full length CD of this > kind > > of music? > I hope to have a new CD release using just that kind of musical approach, but I don't know "when" it will be done. I'm working on the "live side" of that approach for the Y2K-X Loopfest, so I surely will start working on the CD after the festival. I'll let you know. Thanks for the interest. fabio --000e0cd6a81e314455048f45f9d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2010/9/2 Sjaak Overgaauw <<= a href=3D"mailto:tcplugin@gmail.com">tcplugin@gmail.com>
> very nice Fabio ...=A0will there eventually be a ful= l length CD of this kind
> of music?
I hope to have a new CD release=A0using just=A0that kind=A0of musical = approach, but I don't know "when" it will be done.
I'm working on the "live side" of that approach for the = Y2K-X Loopfest, so I surely will start working on=A0the CD=A0after the fest= ival. I'll let you know.
=A0
Thanks for the interest.
=A0
fabio
--000e0cd6a81e314455048f45f9d3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 14:18:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 769A73BE8D; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uTKfS5JXocsA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=CGsdImSwAAAA:8 a=50Cz1CyOAAAA:8 a=EH147W0iAAAA:8 a=oTtuw1C_AAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=LpyYQff65qed4HtWWQ0A:9 a=z0xCmCJZRlPU2LKopMgA:7 a=4JyUzxE7liVuDRqezN3zBFrCym0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:18:01 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <8xfjJC.A.ypF.iI7fMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Terrific music Fabio! I'd love to hear more. On Sep 1, 2010, at 3:26 AM, Fabio_A wrote: > Hi all, > I've uploaded on bancamp a preview of my composition for the > nextcoming Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV (curated by David > Kirkdorffer - UNDO), , with the intention to donate all the incoming > money to support Rick's Y2K-X Loopfest (www.y2kloopfest.com) . > > It's called "Polymetric Counterpoint #1" and it's a minimalistic > loop based composition realized superimposing musical patterns with > different metrics (3-4-5-6) sharing the same pulse. > All cellos, strings and piano patterns were played and looped live > and later mixed with a computer software. > Here is the link: http://eterogeneo.bandcamp.com/releases > > Hope you'll like it and, anyway, please contribute as you can to > support the Y2K-X Loopfest and don't forget to spread this link to > your friends, lists, FB, myspace, ecc... > > -fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:49 PM > Subject: I need this communities help: Y2K-X LOOP FEST > > > > Hi everyone, > > So far, donations for this year's Y2K-X festival are running a > little under > 25% from previous years. > > The festival this year is going to be close to twice as large. > > This has been a tough recessionary year and I know things are really > tight. > > So, it is not lightly that I ask if you could consider donating > some funds > to help the festival come off. > > The price of admission doesn't come close to covering all of my costs > and so many people are coming this year that we're going to have a > hard > time raising very much money at the door. > > If you have anything to give, it will cover the costs of sleeping > bags, transportation > and many incidental costs. > > My paypal account is looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com > > Thanks a lot, > > yours, Rick Walker > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 14:19:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2BDE3BE8C; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=yKJpCDUT2YQzOfRdT0crdmNITjgv/mVJP/7PhwmPiCI=; b=HIXCDUCM1/41qYJf81uSd0Uv/cncPwQxOZBRhdayY30FeFozcKugbUzGUdVTx1QpZE WS4CnUlzcrUG2ZqGvvj4o0GmATjYGdNKFJYaYSNz6cPJX3tqoXmpL5bDYFbN+8MEAgih 1sdV7i4J9RN8O8G4OOb19qoEu/+xe7VIDK3E4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=e3gJuPBTHxCgMK7I6ZmuiMvDMfGPmSLtIXM3UlQbxefWfaGoX3A+TDXfxyMb5MkZtk KcL3ye4DtG4rLu0AVQKyxTj2UsurzRU0EE5Ujyusf8iMluG+vRBcfvUC4o61w08V19ED amOa0K5rLfPZT10syN/WEzeJk3cCXkjWgCH28= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 16:19:15 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CNL1cp1XPoJmgDPcjsSxN85-xV8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ed6da0204eb048f4781be Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:19:47 +0000 (UTC) --0016364ed6da0204eb048f4781be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually it was THIS pic I remembered... http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?page_id=3D339 Actually this is like a diagram of all the gear my band had at the time, what I think is a bit cute, we=B4ve even drawn in the Super8 editor and glu= e that we used to make projections...!!! mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016364ed6da0204eb048f4781be Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually it was THIS pic I remembered...

http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpr= ess/?page_id=3D339

Actually this is like a diagram of all the ge= ar my band had at the time, what I think is a bit cute, we=B4ve even drawn = in the Super8 editor and glue that we used to make projections...!!!

=A0




mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--0016364ed6da0204eb048f4781be-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 14:42:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE2643BE8C; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NvxltcLWlYjaGXJ8a0Awu9tUOVv8EJYZI/PEUNXMk+I=; b=lUg2aRF6FdXtOjJTMEWQdZeq87lu0V3c10Z6sCp/DD/Izpdr8PZ1YGzGHrQLu5rFi2 LXactqx/kkZ0Zf2hXPeT6rkjfCqZhZOxdTKVpdLG/0jpibpXUvPi8d0wV3qeHjKeuC6n y0TrHVba6yKOpbgBPXmFMwoun+h1NO37lD8XQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=dGGVlbWdfRmx9fc0hqehkpFKcKDCIrUTEHf9evcodU40m/qBGUd6RHwLlTaWaxDU8t Vm1FNBR3FwiSCVC86/0RvR7xBCQmWhQmtxs1U6E0KAV0DCcjhZrt/SKADlDjPZytSQgq c+3fG6LZVqFhUf4lYazL2XjtFLf/yBJa5OM8I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:42:54 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vEnEIJzOg8caQK7xrXWMD_RAA30 Message-ID: Subject: Thoughts on... From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364c7b4f5b0d9c048f47d485 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:42:56 +0000 (UTC) --0016364c7b4f5b0d9c048f47d485 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anyone have experience with the SKB-PS-55 Stagefive Professional Pedalboard ? I'm looking to upgrade my pedalboard setup, clean up my sound. Are these worth the money? My other thought is to get a pedaltrain board and a voodoo lab power supply. Thoughts? --0016364c7b4f5b0d9c048f47d485 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone have experience with the SKB-PS-55 Stagefive Professional Pedalboard= ?

I'm looking to upgrade my pedalboard setup, clean up my soun= d. Are these worth the money?

My other thought is to get a pedaltra= in board and a voodoo lab power supply.

Thoughts?=20 --0016364c7b4f5b0d9c048f47d485-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 14:53:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A38F3BE89; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CSPIjplZ9C8hw2S4EQpkyLpRbDrQevsnhLOQa4J+xKM=; b=siQt9tFWs3xL7FEQs3BHYD4+nQL+4SFB757/kufcVPbCQGJCiigz/b6G5nYxdRJHM+ IrnMXfO+IJlgWaL7vA/4y272wZl6sDDK0BKMJ8gotEavQBplLibvupS14kJk+GmKV6SX MwSeIffOC+ZK1bYCMv0vj0IJhS2ReRqiMJ2oY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=etzWwzEaVXLhnn+g38Gpf0dWreS/MWBWqsrLYJbf1J/OSh9kUYLLvIPKhT3UDcl396 W5qs3viQi8p9o2NUcB6yMdELPtW0W2mUjS0jGf2Sy2wKVakP6QkamVfcdspZP9DGF2C1 VbQIsOF1Qdd89JGqrS/tcHyNSbixPa/avcPmE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:53:11 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Thoughts on... From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:53:14 +0000 (UTC) I've got a SKB-pedalboard, not that model, but I think they make good products. Definitely worth trying for 2010/9/2 daniel : > Anyone have experience with the SKB-PS-55 Stagefive Professional Pedalboard > ? > > I'm looking to upgrade my pedalboard setup, clean up my sound. Are these > worth the money? > > My other thought is to get a pedaltrain board and a voodoo lab power supply. > > Thoughts? -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 15:22:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EE983BE8C; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hONGPDEpe3HJXosBekitQHfY4fh1syUTYVjQYnqT/2Y=; b=FcxrT6DMjzLCbrA33YVGwgusai0JAhMFOsqu+wHB/CDUxF7gCVIQ5fQC0/d+tRMUyE Bpv5lIgUx1X9SCXOf2WZbvrT1UPpoTILSAPExQPJntru9DW81ewy/s6v5kzmia6Z841r C96VKrZmMDm1LRmGAJkvDlVrIkn5jOpZJ6R4M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lCbAXVk+51g1T0P8f2jlPgJ7lH+DV8GsCuDNmGOjXUs19r7jq9JViJktGjwcGri8p1 5rILbwopML7GfvZHlMxHAWrhW+THq2MrU9e8ONi6GWPmaPF02AhtshWqJKxSDMM320vg 2TuAsw9VELoOeyfdxG6z7tAOWB6NwkBqKW0xc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:22:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <95XL_B.A.98.LF8fMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:22:51 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:19 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Actually it was THIS pic I remembered... > > http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?page_id=339 Ok, that makes more sense! I got misled by your initial mentioning of the year 1981 (found no other pic filed that year). Uncle Ian was very advanced from the very beginning I see. In the early 80's I had to experiment with electronics and looping all by myself, since the bands I played in were either Pop (Costello school), Jazz (Metheny, Abercrombie style) or Reggae (Black Uhuru style) and those musicians did not like too much experimentation - neither did their audience ;-) By -84 I finally managed to put together an electronic experimentation duo that got some gigs much thanks to the post punk spoken word festival scene. I think it's more fun today when you can realize live projects with less effort, thanks to the available technology. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 16:36:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 878723BE8C; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 16:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=m9Q1UxtwSbPiJcf+sl0vrU5407mIVoTSfj7u+A/2IYk=; b=IV509WqMJDYbmLLKMgg35QdK0OYYLefxHRRgQyiM3urh/w5eYBsN5L9CUiOlOIG77J PUvuwCEKmAfhAGF2Z9oLKSyn+UGTkeKs8off2AQKoYiV8uvRByb8x+j1EapGHftVr4C/ t/DllfMfxPXT2SSMF7ZWS+O81n5GxIjuTySRI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Li+HeTf/AN2zFaiNn2lg/je3ZL3XUfPB7g0fnf0cmD2WMOEJj0Fk4XQyzv3AP3See4 DOn1W15A7mSqHNZj6P6CwsQH4/+Tp52wGaixlw66mtqBl2o1sDe1mlsAwn+V0P3eepDX d9aU+M5YMM2gXzGwAsVsUx6IbTGRLOm+bzleA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 18:36:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3489ec14304048f496bba Resent-Message-ID: <3LDWq.A.nKC.jK9fMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 16:36:51 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd3489ec14304048f496bba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/9/2 tEd =AE KiLLiAn > Terrific music Fabio! > > I'd love to hear more. Thanks ! More will come.... fabio eterogeneo.com > > > On Sep 1, 2010, at 3:26 AM, Fabio_A wrote: > > Hi all, >> I've uploaded on bancamp a preview of my composition for the nextcoming >> Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV (curated by David Kirkdorffer - UND= O), >> , with the intention to donate all the incoming money to support Rick's >> Y2K-X Loopfest (www.y2kloopfest.com) . >> >> It's called "Polymetric Counterpoint #1" and it's a minimalistic loop >> based composition realized superimposing musical patterns with different >> metrics (3-4-5-6) sharing the same pulse. >> All cellos, strings and piano patterns were played and looped live and >> later mixed with a computer software. >> Here is the link: http://eterogeneo.bandcamp.com/releases >> >> Hope you'll like it and, anyway, please contribute as you can to support >> the Y2K-X Loopfest and don't forget to spread this link to your friends, >> lists, FB, myspace, ecc... >> >> -fabio >> www.eterogeneo.com >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:49 PM >> Subject: I need this communities help: Y2K-X LOOP FEST >> >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> So far, donations for this year's Y2K-X festival are running a little >> under >> 25% from previous years. >> >> The festival this year is going to be close to twice as large. >> >> This has been a tough recessionary year and I know things are really >> tight. >> >> So, it is not lightly that I ask if you could consider donating some >> funds >> to help the festival come off. >> >> The price of admission doesn't come close to covering all of my costs >> and so many people are coming this year that we're going to have a hard >> time raising very much money at the door. >> >> If you have anything to give, it will cover the costs of sleeping bags, >> transportation >> and many incidental costs. >> >> My paypal account is looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com >> >> Thanks a lot, >> >> yours, Rick Walker >> >> >> >> > --000e0cd3489ec14304048f496bba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2010/9/2 tEd =AE KiLLiAn <<= a href=3D"mailto:tedkillian@charter.net">tedkillian@charter.net>
Terrific music Fabio!

I&#= 39;d love to hear more.
=A0
Thanks !
More will come....
=A0
fabio
=A0
=A0
=A0


On Sep 1, 2010, at 3:26 AM, Fabio_A wrote:
Hi all,
I've uploaded on = bancamp a preview of my composition for the nextcoming Looper's Delight= Compilation Vol. IV (curated by David Kirkdorffer - UNDO), , with the inte= ntion to donate all the incoming money to support Rick's Y2K-X Loopfest= (www.y2kloopfest= .com) .

It's called "Polymetric Counterpoint #1" and it's a m= inimalistic loop based composition realized superimposing musical patterns = with different metrics (3-4-5-6) sharing the same pulse.
All cellos, str= ings and piano patterns were played and looped live and later mixed with a = computer software.
Here is the link: http://eterogeneo.bandcamp.com/releases

Hope you= 9;ll like it and, anyway, please contribute as you can to support the Y2K-X= Loopfest and don't forget to spread this link to your friends, lists, = FB, myspace, =A0ecc...

-fabio
www.= eterogeneo.com




----- Original Message ----- From: &q= uot;Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Cc: <Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:49 PM
Subject: I need this communities = help: Y2K-X LOOP FEST



Hi everyone,

So far, donations = for this year's Y2K-X festival are running a little under
25% from p= revious years.

The festival this year is going to be close to twice as large.

T= his has been a tough recessionary year and I know things are really tight.<= br>
So, =A0it is not lightly that I ask if you could consider donating s= ome funds
to help the festival come off.

The price of admission doesn't co= me close to covering all of my costs
and so many people are coming this = year that we're going to have a hard
time raising very much money at= the door.

If you have anything to give, =A0it will cover the costs of sleeping ba= gs, transportation
and many incidental costs.

My paypal account i= s =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com

Thanks a lot,=

yours, =A0 Rick Walker





--000e0cd3489ec14304048f496bba-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 19:02:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EE653BE8B; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Yh5ggKeR0aW7/43d/+LN99JNURQGlAn9Mk2XqHjg+Nk=; b=aX/5qKopCtKQU79Dwtic+1KNhWLmtHLZF7jmf04269pe6GtYbrkHXESpBsza51gJTt Fu/AubphqsNn7G8+mtJ6FNMDmFlh06cM2H4y3bQb+paIB3m4g6JriftOn2ptmpiG2htS MIGTHzCfaJPSmlh6MehcGD54SB9hBdoCMU4cc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=iwvYLqGa8iCJ69xKG14/AQREdEdmB+3ueD7oPJ+oeBYq63n3x3FYXOT7hE9k44nvbQ 6ip3F6RYJz+r5QFSwc2qqe07z37WAmiUEtWh9JiRQ9hpPnsTNPukrpIbKJtGsXgCnvHT V8TjCN5MwJPPg+v3OUE9yg+Sx+fGoR8CHAuUA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 21:02:02 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: U48XR0Id1tVqwpL_cYf4Du0_iZ4 Message-ID: Subject: Abelton Live question To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000feae7b0c13c647f048f4b7425 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:02:23 +0000 (UTC) --000feae7b0c13c647f048f4b7425 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry if anyone thinks this is too OT for LD, but this QT goes to people with HI IQ. Im in Abelton, got my Ozone keyboard plugged in.. I drag a piano over.. and play on the Ozone keyboard. lovely.. no problems I spend a happy 15 minutes in C Minor, discovering the exquisite limitations of a 2 octave keyboard. I drag a new sound over, this time a nasty synth sound... and play with that.. again,.. great, .. play with that for a bit, till the neighbors bang on the wall. NOW select the Piano channel again.. no piano.. juts noisy synth... I DELETE noisy synth.. silence.. no piano... piano gone.. must have piano... bang rocks together ... hunt wilderbeast... I WANT MY PIANO!! -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --000feae7b0c13c647f048f4b7425 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry if anyone thinks this is too OT for LD, but this QT goes to people wi= th HI IQ.

Im in Abelton, got my Ozone keyboard plugged i= n.. I drag a piano over.. and play on the Ozone keyboard. lovely.. no probl= ems
I spend a happy 15=A0minutes=A0in C Minor, discovering the=A0exquisite= =A0limitations of a 2 octave keyboard.

I drag a ne= w sound over, this time a nasty synth sound... and play with that.. again,.= . great, .. play with that for a bit, till the neighbors bang on the wall.<= /div>

NOW =A0select the Piano channel again.. no piano.. juts= noisy synth... I DELETE noisy synth.. silence.. no piano... piano gone.. m= ust have piano... bang rocks together ... hunt wilderbeast...

I WANT MY PIANO!!
--000feae7b0c13c647f048f4b7425-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 19:10:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D5903BE8C; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:10:31 -0700 Subject: live modular synth set tomorrow night (9/3/10) in Phila PA From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: "Loopers Delight" , "AH" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:10:34 +0000 (UTC) I'll be doing a set as Sweeping the Noise Floor for the Phila First friday gallery walk and artist John Malloy's show opening. Will have a medium sized 12U frac system and a few looping devices as well as a custom 4MS unit with 4-5 of their pedals in it. Also will be doing a set as part of a trio with bass, sitar/guitar, and synth. starts around 6 PM(ish) until ?? Dave's Art and Persian Rug Gallery, 108 North 2nd st Phila PA FREE!! Hope to see you there. D_ -- --------------------------------------- NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices "Making Something Extrodinary from the Ordinary" Music and More at the Mothership: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 19:42:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F0A43BE8C; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:42:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 696301.3623.bm@omp123.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283456556; bh=DWUDZjZMS55X8lLnG/2Wgx0p3k31rOFx5CUGQhXe8qk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IzszQNrK2/kg9OpNY1NNbO/eSRYF/bMhU1azTFVo/XjPMt7dmJrRjKry20E+kIH40lHRsXFSZWTBA9KWvNPkOFLMnjXFmfAPdGtj69VvkMu8L1oCdFy20WWXMMPKagslE4GcyOirroMUc61BjDofyinkHiwrMUfJ2+REV29khZs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H0r9LNuAXrzWbO8/obDpLVKDLGg74XZqm/bWykkSATEJMVnZ8+Nyau0yCpZOL1hEfH5EQubIJ6d9Z6eMVgkYWUh6Xs4n4LSRtdnL7krAm9CtI5mTygXu6eusvAfWMXe4iXbLEJK9kQ2JN9EQ98w3qN8OrIgIuUmsyMDpmO81JKc=; Message-ID: <545715.29415.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: y.MXau0VM1m3dh.dHmu3TFzb1apCvXrbqBEttn0zqPIB_yv Q5_CM0Fv4z1fDCzj5r.I_PqaeoGAnb0wiEwQ57Eae7bxKNg.Te9Nn_5BzVbf XTudUK7ULXoXp6vgNFs_OHvn20cWDottIxER22MxLnAGdNv8TU1zT3i1jQa5 _kAey.o3d.6a9TwuGKKQ2.7mWDuLKyxMo5x25woip_AcwYxBUT09xYUWxGg_ r7m_wbl2IkKqTSRG1junA.CfEExJcZ8tjPLtdpEeda7d1axCQkXBOjDdWcTz iV58NKAlnk2fAWIBcOXIODUyTipUjyZvAXkTjR30T82xTqrVl3xEXpQJI64f dzG2gHeWrkED.ClS_5.CI_9v7Uw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-350755532-1283456556=:29415" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:42:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-350755532-1283456556=:29415 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you playing sounds in Ableton Live? Be gentle now... It really helps! A= nyway, that's why I hav=E9 real synths made of rock and Wood. Give me some = more specific info mauve I CAN sniff out that piano:-)=0AAntony Hequet=0A= =0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn 2010-09-02, at 21:02, mark francombe wrote:=0A=0ASorry if anyone thinks this is too OT for LD,= but this QT goes to people with HI IQ.=0A=0AIm in Abelton, got my Ozone ke= yboard plugged in.. I drag a piano over.. and play on the Ozone keyboard. l= ovely.. no problems=0AI spend a happy 15 minutes in C Minor, discovering th= e exquisite limitations of a 2 octave keyboard.=0A=0AI drag a new sound ove= r, this time a nasty synth sound... and play with that.. again,.. great, ..= play with that for a bit, till the neighbors bang on the wall.=0A=0ANOW s= elect the Piano channel again.. no piano.. juts noisy synth... I DELETE noi= sy synth.. silence.. no piano... piano gone.. must have piano... bang rocks= together ... hunt wilderbeast...=0A=0AI WANT MY PIANO!!=0A=0A-- =0Amark fr= ancombe=0Awww.markfrancombe.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=0Atwitter @markfrancom= be=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.looop.no=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-350755532-1283456556=:29415 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Are you playing sounds in Ableton Live= ? Be gentle now... It really helps! Anyway, that's why I hav=E9 real synths= made of rock and Wood. Give me some more specific info mauve I CAN sniff o= ut that piano:-)
Antony Hequet

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-09-02, at 21:02, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

<= /div>
Sorry if anyone thinks this is too OT f= or LD, but this QT goes to people with HI IQ.

Im in Abel= ton, got my Ozone keyboard plugged in.. I drag a piano over.. and play on t= he Ozone keyboard. lovely.. no problems
=0A=0A
I spend a happy 15&= nbsp;minutes in C Minor, discovering the exquisite limitatio= ns of a 2 octave keyboard.

I drag a new sound over= , this time a nasty synth sound... and play with that.. again,.. great, .. = play with that for a bit, till the neighbors bang on the wall.
=0A=0A<= div>
NOW  select the Piano channel again.. no piano.. ju= ts noisy synth... I DELETE noisy synth.. silence.. no piano... piano gone..= must have piano... bang rocks together ... hunt wilderbeast...
= =0A
=0A
I WANT MY PIANO!!

--
mark francombe<= br>www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
t= witter @markfrancombe
=0A=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.= looop.no
=0A
=0A

=0A=0A <= /html> --0-350755532-1283456556=:29415-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 20:15:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F10983BE8A; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 20:15:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=fUStqLbLqcNYJxzvtdZt8cbId3qN6VCxI37F9/l1QAk=; b=PVQUpjsYzWnKAG3ccEGm4VHXLKhQvsKdGP5+BUHzuRKFanDKrgOZDqavBIcWQLQbCj /MyBhQ18Fe2iTnOzSJNE4oVqbw2FsI32vRsVxHro44Gs7I+cM8ljb8zczA+cibML6pzm b/dN6A+PHD3pVsOXcrPYa9mkggnOILihr0k4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=piI0IY/uO+Prl3V6NXcYtp8xZv5T9MyB45i9pBlALmhkEFP92JLJZtTLyuVYPBY6my j8EsMRdPvRrVVayX0x+OD6JAmkBhvwVHHGZhIiVddwew2y2OrNiQYD5nPdmuwq+Xrwx8 Vv9AzFZYinfdJDVQuCJQ09vbAzwS/isxJStkE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <545715.29415.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <545715.29415.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:14:45 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: TIrA_lsuh8G3A_GMU5eiJ4vXRvs Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016361e834a4cb80c048f4c78f4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 20:15:12 +0000 (UTC) --0016361e834a4cb80c048f4c78f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, Im trying to have a few channels of different instruments. So when I drag an instrument in to a channel, it will play.. but if I bring another in, THAT will play... but ONLY that, now I can no longer get back to the original instrument. I DID have it working once, where, whichever channel I selected it, the keyboard would play THAT instrument... PS, I also have real synths made of rock and wood, unfortunately, they wont let me bring them on a plane... or they will but I have to BUY the plane first. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Antony Hequet wrote= : > Are you playing sounds in Ableton Live? Be gentle now... It really helps! > Anyway, that's why I hav=E9 real synths made of rock and Wood. Give me so= me > more specific info mauve I CAN sniff out that piano:-) > Antony Hequet > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2010-09-02, at 21:02, mark francombe wrote: > > Sorry if anyone thinks this is too OT for LD, but this QT goes to people > with HI IQ. > > Im in Abelton, got my Ozone keyboard plugged in.. I drag a piano over.. a= nd > play on the Ozone keyboard. lovely.. no problems > I spend a happy 15 minutes in C Minor, discovering > the exquisite limitations of a 2 octave keyboard. > > I drag a new sound over, this time a nasty synth sound... and play with > that.. again,.. great, .. play with that for a bit, till the neighbors ba= ng > on the wall. > > NOW select the Piano channel again.. no piano.. juts noisy synth... I > DELETE noisy synth.. silence.. no piano... piano gone.. must have piano..= . > bang rocks together ... hunt wilderbeast... > > I WANT MY PIANO!! > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > > > --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016361e834a4cb80c048f4c78f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, Im trying to have a few channels of different instruments. So when I d= rag an instrument in to a=A0channel, it will play.. but if I bring another = in, THAT will play... but ONLY that, now I can no longer get back to the or= iginal instrument.=A0

I DID have it working once, where, whichever channel I selec= ted it, the keyboard would play THAT=A0instrument...
PS, I also h= ave real synths made of rock and wood,=A0unfortunately, they wont let me br= ing them on a plane... or they will but I have to BUY the plane first.


On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Ant= ony Hequet <= antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:
Are you playing sounds in Ableton Live? Be ge= ntle now... It really helps! Anyway, that's why I hav=E9 real synths ma= de of rock and Wood. Give me some more specific info mauve I CAN sniff out = that piano:-)
Antony Hequet

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-09-02, at 21:02, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com&= gt; wrote:

Sorry if anyone thinks = this is too OT for LD, but this QT goes to people with HI IQ.

Im in Abelton, got my Ozone keyboard plugged in.. I drag a piano over= .. and play on the Ozone keyboard. lovely.. no problems
I spend a happy 15=A0minutes=A0in C Minor, discovering the=A0exquisite= =A0limitations of a 2 octave keyboard.

I drag a ne= w sound over, this time a nasty synth sound... and play with that.. again,.= . great, .. play with that for a bit, till the neighbors bang on the wall.<= /div>

NOW =A0select the Piano channel again.. no piano.. juts= noisy synth... I DELETE noisy synth.. silence.. no piano... piano gone.. m= ust have piano... bang rocks together ... hunt wilderbeast...

I WANT MY PIANO!!




-- mark francombe
www.markfrancom= be.com
www.ordoabkhao.com<= br> twitter @markfrancombe
http://vi= meo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.= no
--0016361e834a4cb80c048f4c78f4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 20:55:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73C833BE8D; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 20:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 569507.29074.bm@omp123.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283460905; bh=cZsl0lfYr8VFgqalMXIHbLaEENtBM7IYAg2wd7Lrxrc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jpvA5Jw0xreo/uextTNYLMjR6PFD3JCwqRG91qOSxSVfM2DSHfoYN/kGit2HK3/I/3u3hOJ1t/i6kUv1BpbgdnhqSjn4DkNeDwUOKj0kAsOaNgECYGebVyYj+fmu8I77RiW3Atsuq9JKnW9pP2mvuGF6/cwa3dmlVCtyspfd5lU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n/5SIjDaLj21TtWutl+IdKqgRH7uau+drGLF2A4GrD/tjIS5FqgTNg2kii/b0gyU74INZhUEfMbgySEhZaIyp+xwDAAiTotHqE1QyP0EQwMF4dVbZ0SwXD8GhtczXgO/mvL1xp4MiehE0Pqq0UP7yQu7sbO2ucgjXCW1ur3UHQM=; Message-ID: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mhN5i3EVM1mKA.eewATiKdegNLGVthckksTCyZEa_NYBm6T oG8.t2Djq560GE3t2mYHUi5c4kFBxgaq4ghJHMaAcYHGB64VKQx9JhLGIRuC mPALf_RfN1HEKAmgo61fQdU_dzkOnAsiXvrjoQl3siDgOuESlct5WzZSWr3g _9hgqIEIK6vyxJ5lU_uDhLi9QuyE0rMRp1iDPcbXT8hsuGy.x8c3nrh2V2dP nf11dPNKRvAhDmQEf4RfX1xHpS_BcwW.lI5FPJN0GLtMVvFngANpaxuixrQt EGNTXFud_JDYtDKczLxwAxsORZJvssm2JsjflpVMlMhVj63ZHYVdxy1oksDF jtzzQphXS0QeMa7bFVLvEj3D2Iw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:55:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-253943878-1283460904=:26549" Resent-Message-ID: <1Mk5k.A.rZG.s8AgMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 20:55:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-253943878-1283460904=:26549 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You hav=E9 to look into your MIDi settings on those channels, that's probab= ly where th=E9 trouble is coming from. Star fresh with a new session and as= sign diff=E9rent channels to diff=E9rent MIDI channels when you create them= , then switch channels on your controllervto access the various channnels a= nd see if that works.=0AAntony Hequet=0APS I was thinking of travelling by = boat to avoid buyongbthe plane=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn 2010-09-02,= at 22:14, mark francombe wrote:=0A=0AYes, Im tryi= ng to have a few channels of different instruments. So when I drag an instr= ument in to a channel, it will play.. but if I bring another in, THAT will = play... but ONLY that, now I can no longer get back to the original instrum= ent. =0A=0AI DID have it working once, where, whichever channel I selected = it, the keyboard would play THAT instrument...=0APS, I also have real synth= s made of rock and wood, unfortunately, they wont let me bring them on a pl= ane... or they will but I have to BUY the plane first.=0A=0A=0AOn Thu, Sep = 2, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Antony Hequet wrote:=0AAre you= playing sounds in Ableton Live? Be gentle now... It really helps! Anyway, = that's why I hav=E9 real synths made of rock and Wood. Give me some more sp= ecific info mauve I CAN sniff out that piano:-)=0AAntony Hequet=0A=0ASent f= rom my iPhone=0A=0AOn 2010-09-02, at 21:02, mark francombe wrote:=0A=0ASorry if anyone thinks this is too OT for LD, but this= QT goes to people with HI IQ.=0A=0AIm in Abelton, got my Ozone keyboard pl= ugged in.. I drag a piano over.. and play on the Ozone keyboard. lovely.. n= o problems=0AI spend a happy 15 minutes in C Minor, discovering the exquisi= te limitations of a 2 octave keyboard.=0A=0AI drag a new sound over, this t= ime a nasty synth sound... and play with that.. again,.. great, .. play wit= h that for a bit, till the neighbors bang on the wall.=0A=0ANOW select the= Piano channel again.. no piano.. juts noisy synth... I DELETE noisy synth.= . silence.. no piano... piano gone.. must have piano... bang rocks together= ... hunt wilderbeast...=0A=0AI WANT MY PIANO!!=0A=0A-- =0Amark francombe= =0Awww.markfrancombe.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=0Atwitter @markfrancombe=0Aht= tp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.looop.no=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0Amark fr= ancombe=0Awww.markfrancombe.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=0Atwitter @markfrancom= be=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.looop.no=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-253943878-1283460904=:26549 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You hav=E9 to look into your MIDi sett= ings on those channels, that's probably where th=E9 trouble is coming from.= Star fresh with a new session and assign diff=E9rent channels to diff=E9re= nt MIDI channels when you create them, then switch channels on your control= lervto access the various channnels and see if that works.
Antony= Hequet
PS I was thinking of travelling by boat to avoid buyongbt= he plane

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-09-02, at 22:14, = mark francombe <mark@markfranc= ombe.com> wrote:

<= div>Yes, Im trying to have a few channels of different instruments. So when= I drag an instrument in to a channel, it will play.. but if I bring a= nother in, THAT will play... but ONLY that, now I can no longer get back to= the original instrument. 
=0A=0A
I DID have it work= ing once, where, whichever channel I selected it, the keyboard would play T= HAT instrument...
PS, I also have real synths made of rock a= nd wood, unfortunately, they wont let me bring them on a plane... or t= hey will but I have to BUY the plane first.
=0A=0A


On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Antony Hequet <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">=0A=0A
Are you = playing sounds in Ableton Live? Be gentle now... It really helps! Anyway, t= hat's why I hav=E9 real synths made of rock and Wood. Give me some more spe= cific info mauve I CAN sniff out that piano:-)
=0A=0A
Antony Heque= t

Sent from my iPhone
On 2010-09-02, at 21:02, mark francombe <ma= rk@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
=0A=0A
Sorry if anyone thinks this is too OT for LD, but= this QT goes to people with HI IQ.

Im in Abelton, got m= y Ozone keyboard plugged in.. I drag a piano over.. and play on the Ozone k= eyboard. lovely.. no problems
=0A=0A=0A=0A
I spend a happy 15 = ;minutes in C Minor, discovering the exquisite limitations o= f a 2 octave keyboard.

I drag a new sound over, th= is time a nasty synth sound... and play with that.. again,.. great, .. play= with that for a bit, till the neighbors bang on the wall.
=0A=0A=0A= =0A

NOW  select the Piano channel again.. no piano.= . juts noisy synth... I DELETE noisy synth.. silence.. no piano... piano go= ne.. must have piano... bang rocks together ... hunt wilderbeast...
=0A=0A=0A
=0A
I WANT MY PIANO!!

--
mark f= rancombe
= www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkha= o.com
=0A=0Atwitter @markfrancombe
=0A=0Ahttp://vim= eo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
=0A=0A=0A
=0A

=0A=0A



--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com<= br>www.ordoabkhao.com
=0A=0Atwitter @markfrancombe
ht= tp://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
=0A
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=0A=0A --0-253943878-1283460904=:26549-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 21:17:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E77C3BE8A; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 21:17:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=ZigA3aXltgBDqHttMkZqDCz3w+Gj5q0fpiPY52a+ZIs=; b=jml4a6Ud2XYSx7HVwLATD08Fv7tgxwENEuHiOYzEGBJIX7nyPeQh/u6rejAy+MnkwV JudK7NuUTorvj2ZkX9eH61a3kmpCVmy8qpRmPK8vk3yt1glp4Yku0jnQB4N6SdUmPH26 HRX6fhCxct3COpn28Ypl5jp1YpUuulYqrzKsY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=KYW4pOU2V35A9Z07CBP9R7rVcSNOc3rlMKztQK3MQYCehbUhUwR/zkYgI5vPPoooNp dp5ziX5KjahozQQsFupfGPKTBqWmubLfcPEB32+W7njlhqHOem+BCNewyJUaloYoVgEB him833f1U42hF+A/w0Ztax6pB4DCrF59UaJPk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:17:27 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Yg04VEyj5Ae-2OQ0AZBNl5-C34k Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364edcdc8801b7048f4d5817 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 21:17:48 +0000 (UTC) --0016364edcdc8801b7048f4d5817 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well if I knew how to do that, maybe I could fix what the problem is... but thanks for trying to help... I just tried a new Live Set... same thing happens.. new sound will mean tha= t I cant go back to the previous sound... I find Live very frustrating.. I never get anywhere further with my piece I am trying to write cos Im always struggling with tech issues... the boat eh? that would either be great (thinking Poirot here) or awful (thinking Danske B=E5t here, but you wont know what that is ha ha - basical= ly the booze cruise between Norway and Denmark) mark On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Antony Hequet wrot= e: > You hav=E9 to look into your MIDi settings on those channels, that's prob= ably > where th=E9 trouble is coming from. Star fresh with a new session and ass= ign > diff=E9rent channels to diff=E9rent MIDI channels when you create them, t= hen > switch channels on your controllervto access the various channnels and se= e > if that works. > Antony Hequet > PS I was thinking of travelling by boat to avoid buyongbthe plane > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2010-09-02, at 22:14, mark francombe wrote: > > Yes, Im trying to have a few channels of different instruments. So when I > drag an instrument in to a channel, it will play.. but if I bring another > in, THAT will play... but ONLY that, now I can no longer get back to the > original instrument. > > I DID have it working once, where, whichever channel I selected it, the > keyboard would play THAT instrument... > PS, I also have real synths made of rock and wood, unfortunately, they wo= nt > let me bring them on a plane... or they will but I have to BUY the plane > first. > > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Antony Hequet < > antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Are you playing sounds in Ableton Live? Be gentle now... It really helps= ! >> Anyway, that's why I hav=E9 real synths made of rock and Wood. Give me s= ome >> more specific info mauve I CAN sniff out that piano:-) >> Antony Hequet >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2010-09-02, at 21:02, mark francombe < >> mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote: >> >> Sorry if anyone thinks this is too OT for LD, but this QT goes to people >> with HI IQ. >> >> Im in Abelton, got my Ozone keyboard plugged in.. I drag a piano over.. >> and play on the Ozone keyboard. lovely.. no problems >> I spend a happy 15 minutes in C Minor, discovering >> the exquisite limitations of a 2 octave keyboard. >> >> I drag a new sound over, this time a nasty synth sound... and play with >> that.. again,.. great, .. play with that for a bit, till the neighbors b= ang >> on the wall. >> >> NOW select the Piano channel again.. no piano.. juts noisy synth... I >> DELETE noisy synth.. silence.. no piano... piano gone.. must have piano.= .. >> bang rocks together ... hunt wilderbeast... >> >> I WANT MY PIANO!! >> >> -- >> mark francombe >> >> www.markfrancombe.com >> >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> twitter @markfrancombe >> >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> >> >> > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > > > --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016364edcdc8801b7048f4d5817 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well if I knew how to do that, maybe I could fix what the problem is... but= thanks for trying to help...
I just tried a new Live Set... same thing= happens.. new sound will mean that I cant go back to the previous sound...=
I find Live very frustrating.. I never get anywhere further with my pi= ece I am trying to write cos Im always struggling with tech issues...
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the boat eh? that would either be great (thinking Poiro= t here) or awful (thinking Danske B=E5t here, but you wont know what that i= s ha ha - basically the booze cruise between Norway and Denmark)

mark

On Thu, Sep 2, 2= 010 at 10:55 PM, Antony Hequet <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:
You hav=E9 to look into your MIDi settings on= those channels, that's probably where th=E9 trouble is coming from. St= ar fresh with a new session and assign diff=E9rent channels to diff=E9rent = MIDI channels when you create them, then switch channels on your controller= vto access the various channnels and see if that works.
Antony Hequet
PS I was thinking of travelling by boat to avo= id buyongbthe plane

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-09-02, at 22:14, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com= > wrote:

Yes, Im trying to have = a few channels of different instruments. So when I drag an instrument in to= a=A0channel, it will play.. but if I bring another in, THAT will play... b= ut ONLY that, now I can no longer get back to the original instrument.=A0
I DID have it working once, where, whichever channel I selec= ted it, the keyboard would play THAT=A0instrument...
PS, I also h= ave real synths made of rock and wood,=A0unfortunately, they wont let me br= ing them on a plane... or they will but I have to BUY the plane first.


On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Ant= ony Hequet <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:
Are you playing sounds in Ableton Live? Be ge= ntle now... It really helps! Anyway, that's why I hav=E9 real synths ma= de of rock and Wood. Give me some more specific info mauve I CAN sniff out = that piano:-)
Antony Hequet

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-09-02, at 21:02, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

Sorry if anyone thinks = this is too OT for LD, but this QT goes to people with HI IQ.

Im in Abelton, got my Ozone keyboard plugged in.. I drag a piano over= .. and play on the Ozone keyboard. lovely.. no problems
I spend a happy 15=A0minutes=A0in C Minor, discovering the=A0exquisite= =A0limitations of a 2 octave keyboard.

I drag a ne= w sound over, this time a nasty synth sound... and play with that.. again,.= . great, .. play with that for a bit, till the neighbors bang on the wall.<= /div>

NOW =A0select the Piano channel again.. no piano.. juts= noisy synth... I DELETE noisy synth.. silence.. no piano... piano gone.. m= ust have piano... bang rocks together ... hunt wilderbeast...

I WANT MY PIANO!!




-- mark francombe
www.markf= rancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http= ://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looo= p.no




-- mark francombe
www.markfrancom= be.com
www.ordoabkhao.com<= br> twitter @markfrancombe
http://vi= meo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.= no
--0016364edcdc8801b7048f4d5817-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 21:19:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C8BF3BE89; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 21:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Es8aOUBeFpjM0Y0OLhNLWvtK/sJFx23D0f+aomgCnYU=; b=vEgYqqJkbjwBMcOysi8o4MAaGVmF0Pq4mUMvZWyXBBxxWCo7XNn2yc2N2AtHxZxrRh uIlV33MKE90Hvpgjb3KA+rRMp2Bj7CiIwQQw2IKHgnHyiZVuRuYvUje40WCOf4pKL/Q0 Z7H+G3c3GV3zWH58QoL4LfgpnjeNe5sir9Kpw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=KwvDn2zTfCAOqGAO9DLKgox1PDpKsR2PLIIi52O4CXdOThtQgVJ+PYx8y/cWwXfkwF Vqc7tJ30aMWT/RwLJJVLRsJBXwyFzUlLjdLf/pwKMwYFSYxQHbXmno/HhEtBttJIZMAU CEi8QlI607WDs5XkiC/YOtwHOWgo2fn/7WmzQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:19:31 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: v1d1UlMtrjoSkreiy9_02yv0rI4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: live modular synth set tomorrow night (9/3/10) in Phila PA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cdd64e8433a048f4d5f81 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 21:19:52 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cdd64e8433a048f4d5f81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 medium sized 12 U frac system??? Thats not medium sized in my book... thats HUGE!! you lucky bastard... wish I could be there for that! good luck! On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:10 PM, wrote: > > I'll be doing a set as Sweeping the Noise Floor for the Phila First friday > gallery walk and artist John Malloy's show opening. > > Will have a medium sized 12U frac system and a few looping devices as well > as a custom 4MS unit with 4-5 of their pedals in it. Also will be doing a > set as part of a trio with bass, sitar/guitar, and synth. > > starts around 6 PM(ish) until ?? > > Dave's Art and Persian Rug Gallery, 108 North 2nd st Phila PA > > FREE!! > > Hope to see you there. > > D_ > > > > -- > --------------------------------------- > NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com > DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices > "Making Something Extrodinary from the Ordinary" > > Music and More at the Mothership: > Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0015175cdd64e8433a048f4d5f81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable medium sized 12 U frac system??? Thats not medium sized in my book... thats= HUGE!! you lucky bastard... wish I could be there for that! good luck!
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On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:10 PM, <legion@hel= pwantedproductions.com> wrote:

I'll be doing a set as Sweeping the Noise Floor for the Phila First fri= day
gallery walk and artist John Malloy's show opening.

Will have a medium sized 12U frac system and a few looping devices as well<= br> as a custom 4MS unit with 4-5 of their pedals in it. Also will be doing =A0= a
set as part of a trio with bass, sitar/guitar, and synth.

starts around 6 PM(ish) until ??

Dave's Art and Persian Rug Gallery, 108 North 2nd st Phila PA

FREE!!

Hope to see you there.

D_



--
=A0 =A0 ---------------------------------------
=A0 =A0 NEW DAED SITE!! =A0- =A0Http://DaedSound.com
=A0DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices
"Making Something Extrodinary from the Ordinary"

=A0 =A0 =A0Music and More at the Mothership:
=A0 =A0= Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com




--
mark francombewww.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markf= rancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--0015175cdd64e8433a048f4d5f81-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 21:46:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82A953BE8B; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 21:46:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mbYS8pB7fGw22r2js21b4gEC5/COPv2qn5EiQvoGU8E=; b=BLKHAMm88IJHTLOHaLngK9MzZVevQ3/EOvCOffVbrr09eckbApusTIUiWqs0XDJHc6 wAej4iiyjMN6k0OD41nnpcXkAhDHyldetYuQV7wighR5zf5uvxrJCZMbt9ritridKPjk WWesY1hY5Bbx54xRGn9WmzaenyBM+1vlCx9sI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EqujSZgPKHRzF8EfwfvYdpgK50YzUpZBFzgW/YznYPXh35oktEbK4UbEFmFGWOZCEO BMvIZTTJTHGu+lPYXWBoW87Xa4H8LJqiGvvsXf7xDH55b/5BaeGUNzgignCRnNCAvwmV uCuJg98U2GQ8Ki01Ts9zZbVg32Dx4YRL/H9QQ= Message-ID: <4C801B4D.40109@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:46:53 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Abelton Live question References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 21:46:51 +0000 (UTC) >> Yes, Im trying to have a few channels of different instruments. >> So when I drag an instrument in to a channel, it will play.. but >> if I bring another in, THAT will play... but ONLY that, now I can >> no longer get back to the original instrument. > Also would like to chime in here... Could you be more specific with regard to how exactly you work here? More specifically: are you dragging different soft synths onto different Ableton MIDI tracks, or different sounds into the same soft synth, or two different soft synths onto the same Ableton MIDI track? And as Antony said, look out for your MIDI input channel settings on your tracks. By default, they accept MIDI input from any MIDI input (selected in your preference to receive instrument MIDI data) and on any channel. Then you need to check that the track the synth is on is selected for recording or for monitoring - I guess you already know that, just to be sure... If you'd explain in a more detailed way how you work this, I could try and do some howto, adding some screenshots (but not today I guess)... And, on a completely unrelated note: >>> Im in Abelton, got my Ozone keyboard plugged in.. I drag a >>> piano over.. and play on the Ozone keyboard. lovely.. no >>> problems >>> I spend a happy 15 minutes in C Minor, discovering >>> the exquisite limitations of a 2 octave keyboard >> That's priority #1, obviously: get a decent seven-octave keyboard! ;) Yours, Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 21:53:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F04183BE8B; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 21:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MzFmUsKFq2kI9QnjcJVNnFXj1UYQNgb2evkZs5LLodQ=; b=l/IqSiaymLjHcOHgp84gpzWI39Jn4l3gqcXbFJWumgyk04ofQF6dYozGljntStX2/3 /JllDtzgufcoNOXAD6elxn5dTbdt6N8GPS9M6ETUmCKZoM4JdPWns8J1xT5ZjopikoB3 3lbBv6hVg1J2XdWotdKtxiy3sigJqBaakzf9g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=SpTktL13oS47frBSI+YDpXEO7oF4IdezInGSqpBULSRT9sX9OQ8BlR0KGK2x/IUTSP S+j0UXteMgR8og0OwahJGzn+3t0KJUZ/+joTr+EVfJ31zLPZ3hWDuYWYeZDgYQRvYOaI 6u3vrhCzrCodkg2+ITCqmBv1oxSh61KGM3tpY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:53:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 21:53:33 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:17 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I just tried a new Live Set... same thing happens.. new sound will mean that > I cant go back to the previous sound... Why not using two instrument tracks instead of one? Then open the two different software synths on those tracks and "chose your sound" by toggling the track's Monitor switch to "In". When set to "Monitor = In" an Instrument Track will let you play its hosted synth. Your problem seems to be that when you open one synth on an instrument track this new synth replaces the other one. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 22:03:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81EB33BE8A; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ui8LxpKKJHUxUkbyuhLzQoG9aTG4HeyjUT5cvAv9rJc=; b=oVkz06LqkObiiO2HrxZAzMB93BCWggJNn7VLZJYHwaHEM0++LQmvIKMBIupI+pTvUs z62X4rl3IkwDggNmni/+MFORaxVpTAd8e+oJ2FqvZINvhU5P8Ng2CiS6NbTDQvG1+CQv 2kWgrxLH/rRCBW5CiveI45j4Yg86sSFLvacis= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QcgfG7TooNDg6HrK1sGKu8cpvf0YGvI3kCQRcYZmIAlWeCSzvjQXkiydvjXAK9dwYa TsnqtsSmu8QHxYksHQcSku1mMMsdsdl48KNN0rQC0pMRRnMDzF1a1F0QyvpETZXPVCaH T5n4NOoEWlCNeoHTEKYEoOZFV9gbkWT7+tEeA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 00:03:32 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:03:33 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Why not using two instrument tracks instead of one? Then open the two > different software synths on those tracks and "chose your sound" by > toggling the track's Monitor switch to "In". When set to "Monitor = > In" an Instrument Track will let you play its hosted synth. You may assign a MIDI Note to the Monitor switch. Now here's a cool trick: IF you like to switch between three synths while playing. Assign the same MIDI Note to all three Instrument Track's Monitor Off button! Then go out of MIDI Assignment Mode and put the first track in the "In" position, the second track in the "Auto" position and the third track in the "Off" position. Voila! Now that precious MIDI Note of yours (foot pedal?) has become a three way Synth Toggle!. In order to switch between only two tracks - by the same MIDI Note - assign the note to the track's mute buttons (instead of Monitor buttons)! The manually put on in Mute mode to kick it off. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 22:10:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B4BD3BE8B; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: guide to programming the fcb1010 for echoplex?Luis sez: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:10:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Luis Sez: wow,wow,wow stay away from the liquid foot guys,it looks awesome but is very expensive,awkward and painful to program and horrible support,believe me i went through it and could not get the virtual commands of the EDP to work,very flaky MIDI as well and is more geared to simple use with the AXE FX OK maybe a bad example:-) but bear in mind that the EDP is more midi note eccentric in some ways, were as the LP-1 can do everything it needs to do with PC and CC messages. A liquid foot work probably work fine for anything that works on PC and CC commands like most software loopers,DSP's, the LP-1, original jam-man, etc. When I first got my Gordius, I did the same thing i did with the behringer, try to figure out how to program it without consulting the manual, when I did consult the manual, in both cases it at first was more confusing, until I finally figured it out but it took hours of frustration in both cases. With the Behringer there was a bunch of preloaded midi command info, and I was trying program it to a Repeater's extensive and some what arbitrary midi and CC command list. With the Gordius, I was just being a little dumb and stubborn and not realizing that my new machine was a blank slate as far as midi commands go. So I waisted an evening before Xavier took pity on me and sent me a few banks of midi commands to download. Once I got familiar with the editor librarian I realized the smartest and easiest thing would be to use it! I think I unconsciously dive in to new technology with a "how hard can it be" attitude and one can get quite a distance down a rabbit hole with that mindset. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 22:41:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65B753BE8A; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=KZZPfLk7AYu2mz7ostNo6wUkWkJh5SS5V/jD5NqEI9w=; b=YCPN5rzxTmArgmQ/tKGTPdENkY6fztxxiA0YhC4s8F2I1hugDsCvWpL2/Dib79DiBE mnzlU8mO+n4QfbH67USo7DSaYhRqcCcYrMAJyx8CBK8SzxQW9tA1BTG0U9LckhkfLVqG vfK0oXb5vNQyI0cWzBqSZX5q5+D7YaGfu1MZo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=ARHf4RsTyChLm3mmjq6exdbejWa0btJxpJJwES1S6jcFBbfgNHTgCXXlP+xhGhusAO yhY/DniD+/u9wB8UxP2Qvcaoeicr0suWCzY9i6jl/yZJqD08b02hhR6UHeW5MpPMJmy1 odSEz7DwyIXkd/FyRwgX9ftWxXntwhvmkAEdc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 00:41:15 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NTpPJuJPNaIq-7vIWQUD_GVkZYw Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364edcde39d110048f4e840a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:41:36 +0000 (UTC) --0016364edcde39d110048f4e840a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 thx Rainer,... Could you be more specific with regard to how exactly you work here? More specifically: are you dragging different soft synths onto different Ableton MIDI tracks, Yes this and it used to work fine... I had a piano on one track with a delay after it and a gate after that, then on a completely NEW track I had a synth with an Arp midi effect.. I USED to be able to just select the yellow HEADER of the channel, and play the keyboard and THAT instrument + effects would play. And as Antony said, look out for your MIDI input channel settings on your tracks. By default, they accept MIDI input from any MIDI input (selected in your preference to receive instrument MIDI data) and on any channel. Thats is how it is... isnt it best just to leave that? Then you need to check that the track the synth is on is selected for recording or for monitoring - I guess you already know that, just to be sure... Actually not really... no checking if I see what you mean here... I dont RECORD at all yet in Abelton, so I have no understanding of it in that mode. If you'd explain in a more detailed way how you work this, I could try and do some howto, adding some screenshots (but not today I guess)... Im afraid Im being about as detailed as I know how... get a decent seven-octave keyboard! ;) ahh .. yes... probably wise... Yours, Rainer Then from Per Why not using two instrument tracks instead of one? Thats what Im trying to do Then open the two different software synths on those tracks and "chose your sound" by toggling the track's Monitor switch to "In". When set to "Monitor = In" an Instrument Track will let you play its hosted synth. Both the channels are set to IN... I used to be able to simple chose the channel and then THAT synth would play Your problem seems to be that when you open one synth on an instrument track this new synth replaces the other one. *EXACTLY!!* Per * Look guys.. heres the set up... can you see anything weird here?* * * *http://skitch.com/markfrancombe/dw6xm/preferences* * * *Thanks * * * * * *Mark F* * * --0016364edcde39d110048f4e840a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thx Rainer,...

Could you be more specific with regard to how exactly you work here?
More specifically: are you dragging different soft synths onto different Ableton MIDI tracks,
Yes this and= it used to work fine... I had a piano on one track with a delay after it a= nd a gate after that, then on a completely NEW track I had a synth with an = Arp midi effect..
I USED to be able to just select the y= ellow HEADER of the channel, and play the keyboard and THAT instrument + ef= fects would play.
=A0And as Antony said, look out for your MIDI input channel settings on=20 your tracks. By default, they accept MIDI input from any MIDI input=20 (selected in your preference to receive instrument MIDI data) and on any channel.
Thats is how it is... isn= t it best just to leave that?
=A0Then you need to check that the track the synth is on is selected for=20 recording or for monitoring - I guess you already know that, just to be=20 sure...
Actually not really... no c= hecking if I see what you mean here... I dont RECORD at all yet in Abelton,= so I have no understanding of it in that mode.
=A0If you'd explain in a more detailed way how you work this, I could t= ry=20 and do some howto, adding some screenshots (but not today I guess)...
Im afraid Im being about as detailed as = I know how...
get a decent seven-octave keyboard! ;)
ahh .. yes... probably wise...
=A0Yours,
=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer
Then from Per
Why not using two instrument tracks instead of one?
=
Thats what Im trying to do=
Then open the two different software synths on those tracks and "c= hose your sound" by
toggling the track's Monitor switch to "In". When set to &quo= t;Monitor =3D
In" an Instrument Track will let you play its hosted synth.
Both the channels are set to IN... I used to = be able to simple chose the channel and then THAT synth would play =A0Your problem seems to be that when you open one synth on an instrument track this new synth replaces the other one.

EXACTLY= !!

Per

Look guys..=A0 heres the set up... ca= n you see anything weird here?


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--0016364edcde39d110048f4e840a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 23:32:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6DA23BE8B; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283470354; bh=U+e3c2QxCG4JZVr+ZIUkxEXqjC90IMlxy/2D3KvCLXY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bdtGu02Gjiap53HnXix9svzwl2bExhF4PMH1i6yvImBQjWuOA9eDZEH5RrL639qZffdbjxh0JZnCBc0BajcoR9MG6LqUeA8RPDCz0JFVBgwsWHe1okC4gSqN1ULy69CpiQrO1Hnmy+g3d6pmSW0G4p6p+1EIYryhhBHGQEhglRQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t0E+lWuKdqTMOYaNh0KXjkiYzM1/Bn7UmxZgDt1o5w9rendR/uMxq+PIylszYkGmudUquIbsCXc0gxn5bTYKYrQH3g4ilzFnVm1+JDE6J8LpaDbHw8cj6VyCSNLa7/6P7jj3jFkHjpMTNxSR30yvWzw32QAzYDdPenhHBPv2DzA=; Message-ID: <520907.7591.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9fgHiOYVM1kgn_iG4NptYdW0unKB3xpPSAYvdQBmjxctVmo t10XlC_xWihnAB0fyMl_oBSaC2hi7.g6bnv2g2KuFvmP2AyL5G_GJUyWeqvy wbacmJYJ9vCca2fQ55FFeU97E5V0CFMoYGl6_8ch4g5UX9eDjcPttEpvIq.W JLO2Q6EzMMwI84rSAIlCVAIUPI3XQ2K5gufgNM3hy2hWt3iKQzA2miHEZN3q Tk8.453GWp21e9GmJxZibyNaaRTIo2Cw9Nj6y.ftHjjuirAF480Ltgi17d7S EIr5KLfCZ.xLYbyNS X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 16:32:34 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: stompbox reverbs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, You were in the CRANES!!!!???? I havve an old cassette of them, from who knows where, but I'll never forget that girls voice. And the spacey kewl muzik! Rig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 2 23:52:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68C663BE89; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C8038CC.1070006@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:52:44 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Macintosh/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:52:55 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "New Horizons" by Modulator ESP, a self-released album. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#sep Modulator ESP will play at the Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, September 5. You will also hear music from the new albums by Rudy Adrian and Steve Roach. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 00:23:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 280233BE8C; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 00:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C803FE7.6010904@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:23:03 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Macintosh/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: The Soundscapes Concert Series Presents Modulator ESP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 00:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Sunday, September 5, the Soundscapes Concert Series returns to the Nazareth Center for the Arts with Modulator ESP. Based in the UK, Modulator ESP is an electronic musician who concentrates on Dark Ambient and Berlin School. Doors open at 7:30 pm and the concert is at 8:00 pm. The concert is free. Donations are requested to support the musician and to enable the Nazareth Center for the Arts to pay operating expenses. The NCA is located at 30 Belvidere Street, Nazareth, PA 18064 just off of Route 191 on the southwest corner of Belvidere Street and South Spruce Street. Check the NCA site for parking information. The Soundscapes Concert Series is the concert companion to the Galactic Travels radio program on WDIY and to Thought Radio on WMUH and presents electronic music to the Lehigh Valley. This is the concert series that presented Robert Rich (California), vidnaObmana (Belgium), The Ministry of Inside Things (Philadelphia), Richard Lainhart (New York), Orbital Decay (Quakertown), Mikronesia (Philadelphia), Technicolor Travel Agency (Poconos), and Twyndyllyngs (Lehigh Valley) to local audiences. THE SOUNDSCAPES CONCERT SERIES: http://soundscapes.us FUTURE CONCERTS: October 10: THE TANGENT PROJECT December 5: CHUCK VAN ZYL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 06:14:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 591F93BE94; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 06:14:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 708441.5367.bm@omp102.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283494452; bh=LIe5ZJrghPLqIDaEFlXxLOYnoveKKZ6QljuTwmaiEsQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cKbJ+P3SlojNwu2t4/JF/jxgnC9gEwTyC7/gmXwSCzGBzUbKPVUbjzn+S8fLrhcbxN02NN6cIZ41INzCEzv749Mu+5XQkbp9oJk6HPxmOWqsb4lcF4rxRBlK7mfz5HXqwoUrMLZFj8fBnMxxs3/wRTaS74XlL3rvKP7vgva+SYg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P+hoom2NywdIA6CANpnUyUIlN6JDywepkbRn4WlBVJw0mtJLY8wDflNot9Pf+Br6LIGKB5Mp3+giiGAiH7AOYxz8icOFeomUv4rWq8zN5s9bCCBYX/K5rje80j6L0k9eSD6+bTRg30GIYqTs94DwJmmKxfuFnWSAlU9VY1Fcn+s=; Message-ID: <917262.30998.qm@web65604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TJQaCZgVM1mUGZQYspRSs9y5MeJ.gFrpDqXDyY.2xOCMqr1 7bXW0xVaNCRpI3BrBYeS2MhUE8gsJDT5uTBZVC65sIIfDAt8_1cWgav81103 d9q6NY7RYD9SuOTfOsP.wTIR3.J.eZ4W8iEM5o86j5Glkwdb8yW7aTvyEuqv NwKj.PyLxrSd8dsfNYq5MpWUByB6AcpOTkMTwnXo.Aerb5tHZF9I6Z5s7CRR lk1Bqpda8wcmzZvMtirKbpdtvggNl_eqJILj9yfxHlAbPRiPUwO4wZw6Z2wV lmia5Xip5lO.II7ox9BgsCvC6LQy47rilf8AHt25gFRA8_MF4i6rYq23I1KP NJ.tjRZg37C5EZdQSF3YXU0.Ouw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:14:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-210490878-1283494452=:30998" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 06:14:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-210490878-1283494452=:30998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have heard of the booze cruises:-)=0AYou should read carefully the part o= f the manual relating to Midi and instrument channels. Ableton is very reli= able sobthe problem must be coming from your settings. Read the monitoring = part in detail. An instrument can only be heard if in =0AMonitor or in Reco= rd mode!=0ACreate several instruments on various midi channels. By default = the midi input is set to omni (accepting input from all channels).=0ADo thi= s before the booze cruise:-)=0ALete know how it go!=0AAntony =0A=0ASent fro= m my iPhone=0A=0AOn 2010-09-02, at 23:17, mark francombe wrote:=0A=0AWell if I knew how to do that, maybe I could fix what th= e problem is... but thanks for trying to help...=0AI just tried a new Live = Set... same thing happens.. new sound will mean that I cant go back to the = previous sound...=0AI find Live very frustrating.. I never get anywhere fur= ther with my piece I am trying to write cos Im always struggling with tech = issues...=0A=0Athe boat eh? that would either be great (thinking Poirot her= e) or awful (thinking Danske B=E5t here, but you wont know what that is ha = ha - basically the booze cruise between Norway and Denmark)=0A=0Amark=0A=0A= On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Antony Hequet wro= te:=0AYou hav=E9 to look into your MIDi settings on those channels, that's = probably where th=E9 trouble is coming from. Star fresh with a new session = and assign diff=E9rent channels to diff=E9rent MIDI channels when you creat= e them, then switch channels on your controllervto access the various chann= nels and see if that works.=0AAntony Hequet=0APS I was thinking of travelli= ng by boat to avoid buyongbthe plane=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn 2010-= 09-02, at 22:14, mark francombe wrote:=0A=0AYes, I= m trying to have a few channels of different instruments. So when I drag an= instrument in to a channel, it will play.. but if I bring another in, THAT= will play... but ONLY that, now I can no longer get back to the original i= nstrument. =0A=0AI DID have it working once, where, whichever channel I sel= ected it, the keyboard would play THAT instrument...=0APS, I also have real= synths made of rock and wood, unfortunately, they wont let me bring them o= n a plane... or they will but I have to BUY the plane first.=0A=0A=0AOn Thu= , Sep 2, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Antony Hequet wrote:=0AA= re you playing sounds in Ableton Live? Be gentle now... It really helps! An= yway, that's why I hav=E9 real synths made of rock and Wood. Give me some m= ore specific info mauve I CAN sniff out that piano:-)=0AAntony Hequet=0A=0A= Sent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn 2010-09-02, at 21:02, mark francombe wrote:=0A=0ASorry if anyone thinks this is too OT for LD, bu= t this QT goes to people with HI IQ.=0A=0AIm in Abelton, got my Ozone keybo= ard plugged in.. I drag a piano over.. and play on the Ozone keyboard. love= ly.. no problems=0AI spend a happy 15 minutes in C Minor, discovering the e= xquisite limitations of a 2 octave keyboard.=0A=0AI drag a new sound over, = this time a nasty synth sound... and play with that.. again,.. great, .. pl= ay with that for a bit, till the neighbors bang on the wall.=0A=0ANOW sele= ct the Piano channel again.. no piano.. juts noisy synth... I DELETE noisy = synth.. silence.. no piano... piano gone.. must have piano... bang rocks to= gether ... hunt wilderbeast...=0A=0AI WANT MY PIANO!!=0A=0A-- =0Amark franc= ombe=0Awww.markfrancombe.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=0Atwitter @markfrancombe= =0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.looop.no=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0Ama= rk francombe=0Awww.markfrancombe.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=0Atwitter @markfr= ancombe=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.looop.no=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-= - =0Amark francombe=0Awww.markfrancombe.com=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=0Atwitter = @markfrancombe=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.looop.no=0A=0A=0A= =0A --0-210490878-1283494452=:30998 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have heard of the booze cruises:-)
You should read carefully the part of the manual relating to Midi = and instrument channels. Ableton is very reliable sobthe problem must be co= ming from your settings. Read the monitoring part in detail. An instrument = can only be heard if in 
Monitor or in Record mode!
Create several instruments on various midi channels. By default the midi = input is set to omni (accepting input from all channels).
Do this= before the booze cruise:-)
Lete know how it go!
Antony=  

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-09-02, at 23:17, ma= rk francombe <mark@markfrancom= be.com> wrote:

Well if I knew how to do that, maybe I could fix what the problem is... b= ut thanks for trying to help...
I just tried a new Live Set... same thing happens.. new sound will mean that I cant go back to the previous so= und...
=0A=0A
I find Live very frustrating.. I never get anywhere = further with my piece I am trying to write cos Im always struggling with te= ch issues...

the boat eh? that would either be gre= at (thinking Poirot here) or awful (thinking Danske B=E5t here, but you won= t know what that is ha ha - basically the booze cruise between Norway and D= enmark)
=0A=0A

mark

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Antony Hequet <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:
=0A=0A
You hav=E9 to look into = your MIDi settings on those channels, that's probably where th=E9 trouble i= s coming from. Star fresh with a new session and assign diff=E9rent channel= s to diff=E9rent MIDI channels when you create them, then switch channels o= n your controllervto access the various channnels and see if that works.=0A=0A
Antony Hequet
PS I was thinking of travelling by bo= at to avoid buyongbthe plane

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-09-02, at 22:14, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
=0A= =0A
Yes, Im trying to ha= ve a few channels of different instruments. So when I drag an instrument in= to a channel, it will play.. but if I bring another in, THAT will pla= y... but ONLY that, now I can no longer get back to the original instrument= . 
=0A=0A=0A=0A
I DID have it working once, where, w= hichever channel I selected it, the keyboard would play THAT instrumen= t...
PS, I also have real synths made of rock and wood, unfo= rtunately, they wont let me bring them on a plane... or they will but I hav= e to BUY the plane first.
=0A=0A=0A=0A


On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Antony Hequet <= ;antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:
=0A=0A=
=0A=0A
Are you = playing sounds in Ableton Live? Be gentle now... It really helps! Anyway, t= hat's why I hav=E9 real synths made of rock and Wood. Give me some more spe= cific info mauve I CAN sniff out that piano:-)
=0A=0A=0A=0A
Antony= Hequet

Sent from my iPhone

On 20= 10-09-02, at 21:02, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.c= om> wrote:
=0A=0A=0A=0A
Sorry if anyone thinks this is too OT for LD, but this QT go= es to people with HI IQ.

Im in Abelton, got my Ozone key= board plugged in.. I drag a piano over.. and play on the Ozone keyboard. lo= vely.. no problems
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
I spend a happy 15 minu= tes in C Minor, discovering the exquisite limitations of a 2= octave keyboard.

I drag a new sound over, this ti= me a nasty synth sound... and play with that.. again,.. great, .. play with= that for a bit, till the neighbors bang on the wall.
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A

NOW  select the Piano channel again.. no piano.= . juts noisy synth... I DELETE noisy synth.. silence.. no piano... piano go= ne.. must have piano... bang rocks together ... hunt wilderbeast...
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A
I WANT MY PIANO!!
=0A

=0A=0A



--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
=0A=0Awww.ordoabkhao.com=
=0A=0Atwitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user82= 5094
http://www.looop.no
=0A=0A=0A
=0A

= =0A=0A



= --
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.or= doabkhao.com
=0A=0Atwitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.c= om/user825094
http://www.looop.no
=0A
=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-210490878-1283494452=:30998-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 08:01:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EC673BE8D; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=DF3gYej8jL4L8f26E4O2s+K15nA1tDbbxelS2zkYIgg=; b=bRGBB4Po5/CnOjtQtbYS/TqWpNDWklRuuh5J5/CqdaqNDokOAcL1CQN0SYZwBhHKnI cH9aYEFZl72ysjJumzxboXgrQt4nnV7M/Ux5j5DSRYtB9OT9ysot1+ozxHRPL1VPgiD2 /q3imzQyEEpYgmPEn4hzoXOIccPuFs0A4Fv5Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=tkgBftKyVih0ccZGPsFs0QSWSw2aE2ZC3nJkXRr1G0AxYYCQCjHvKgzVs/38e5xl5q 2VLPDoGTMUA0qCq5aOcgO+bLCSWtK0tns8hk6Y8BAd6tfv6V5BtVKEjE3sG9HfUtGr9z +3YTo4bkNxIwlO9umCjVB2dbCLTgN3vTgqYdY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:01:17 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 895SDWR9DiOGprf-n8YG1CcHLoQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175caade0d5897048f5657e5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:01:38 +0000 (UTC) --0015175caade0d5897048f5657e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 thx Rainer,... Could you be more specific with regard to how exactly you work here? More specifically: are you dragging different soft synths onto different Ableton MIDI tracks, Yes this and it used to work fine... I had a piano on one track with a delay after it and a gate after that, then on a completely NEW track I had a synth with an Arp midi effect.. I USED to be able to just select the yellow HEADER of the channel, and play the keyboard and THAT instrument + effects would play. And as Antony said, look out for your MIDI input channel settings on your tracks. By default, they accept MIDI input from any MIDI input (selected in your preference to receive instrument MIDI data) and on any channel. Thats is how it is... isnt it best just to leave that? Then you need to check that the track the synth is on is selected for recording or for monitoring - I guess you already know that, just to be sure... Actually not really... no checking if I see what you mean here... I dont RECORD at all yet in Abelton, so I have no understanding of it in that mode. If you'd explain in a more detailed way how you work this, I could try and do some howto, adding some screenshots (but not today I guess)... Im afraid Im being about as detailed as I know how... get a decent seven-octave keyboard! ;) ahh .. yes... probably wise... Yours, Rainer Then from Per Why not using two instrument tracks instead of one? Thats what Im trying to do Then open the two different software synths on those tracks and "chose your sound" by toggling the track's Monitor switch to "In". When set to "Monitor = In" an Instrument Track will let you play its hosted synth. Both the channels are set to IN... I used to be able to simple chose the channel and then THAT synth would play Your problem seems to be that when you open one synth on an instrument track this new synth replaces the other one. *EXACTLY!! LOOK guys * --0015175caade0d5897048f5657e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thx Rainer,...

Could you be more specific with regard to how exactly you work here?
More specifically: are you dragging different soft synths onto different Ableton MIDI tracks,

Yes th= is and it used to work fine... I had a piano on one track with a delay afte= r it and a gate after that, then on a completely NEW track I had a synth wi= th an Arp midi effect..
I USED to be able to just select the= yellow HEADER of the channel, and play the keyboard and THAT instrument + = effects would play.

And as Antony said, look out for your MIDI input channel settings on=20 your tracks. By default, they accept MIDI input from any MIDI input=20 (selected in your preference to receive instrument MIDI data) and on any channel.

Thats is how it is.= .. isnt it best just to leave that?

Then you need to check that the track the synth is on is selected for=20 recording or for monitoring - I guess you already know that, just to be=20 sure...

Actually not really..= . no checking if I see what you mean here... I dont RECORD at all yet in Ab= elton, so I have no understanding of it in that mode.

If you'd explain in a more detailed way how you work this, I could try= =20 and do some howto, adding some screenshots (but not today I guess)...
I= m afraid Im being about as detailed as I know how...

get a decent seven-octave keyboard! ;)

ahh .. yes... probably wise.= ..

Yours,

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer

Then from Per
Why not using two instrument tracks instead of one?
=

Thats what Im trying to do<= /span>
Then open the two different software synths on those tracks and &= quot;chose your sound" by
toggling the track's Monitor switch to "In". When set to &quo= t;Monitor =3D
In" an Instrument Track will let you play its hosted synth.

Both t= he channels are set to IN... I used to be able to simple chose the channel = and then THAT synth would play

Your problem seems to be that when you open one synth on an instrument
track this new synth replaces the other one.

EXACT= LY!!

LOOK guys
--0015175caade0d5897048f5657e5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 08:43:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD6933BE92; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jLYzWb4E+eSbKISWFqLLhjBBa8rLySZnQSNS4JSRCf4=; b=kIKXvxn/B9X/s1uTXK0cP3m159RjkmWFfC1roYecJCMtJMlUHCviAtx74xHAweiqDs UYlxE+qzI+5p9kK1GkXtQW4Aelduq1BnsAboL5dbyAnyg4nefI4Y5FVoXSAcKUVqUXY+ PLG7OuSzhpOnIvsjEQYJOiq6PA+ijllEewnjA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=t2xzR13Y4V8nV2Nje+YiE56KE8UZeHlQq4a5rv8tXsJ6+UrGDgNa9EUpZGNl/DhZ8e RAIlAVyrHNGyemP6G8LkifS28wl1KoJOFTszc9kQBgcXkNmffeMIOhGZ1FirPEx8ACrz xwiHo7v85uIHCDztyNIPOjXYzFBBLjlZHYDTc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:43:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:43:11 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:41 AM, mark francombe wr= ote: > > Look guys..=C2=A0 heres the set up... can you see anything weird here? > > http://skitch.com/markfrancombe/dw6xm/preferences With this setting both the piano and the synth+arp shall sound as you play on the Ozone (on any MIDI channel). If you want only one of them to sound: mute the other one. You may also set up What I do not understand is what you mean by saying "I used to be able to chose sound by clicking the yellow track header". I see no yellow track headers at all? If you don't have any particular reason for defining the Ozone as "Control Surface" in the preferences I suggest you make sure all fileds in that upper area say "none". Defining a Control Surface means that Live reacts automatically to whatever may be going on in the Control Surface device (your Ozone). If you don't want that it is better to use the Ozone as a traditional MIDI controller. Your pref's settings below - under MIDI Ports - are correct and should do perfectly well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 08:59:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E6DA3BE92; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:59:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=cbH3a0RYxImftL+wQYuUjiVv+RNFFksO6KL0o1NA1GE=; b=CzbYXhfzn8fKpwBa6v3ODYxunPd2j+1X4GQiccyWMCNbaFUkXc1g+oaTvK41akBJ89 BRY5webTLgQEm80WihjEUMf26YWrxvQY00gJTxwSZhJee3ppfpcbu01u4qWzEt/7KfU6 u7KfULPXQkP7o0pL5jCA8t5Zb6AotjjOBXAm0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=O3Cu7up8ljCOT8cN2E6bR+pZWovxwzD0rXn85JfDC5jnc6kb8ZTDeojVHu/bTjAjmp qJPmA8CXn2gDSzawAhX1lYodMA4+1SP/A6UlVFU25GTOQuvqDp6MRyQfHUCUJ7RDp9P0 qWKsX5i7WOqbHSI5EA2mbw6QvnS4QkYOvg9JQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:59:24 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QDCuq2I_5P3Xm-mvTRadNYRuUT0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f899589e41e41048f57265f Resent-Message-ID: <6fli_C.A.NBD.AkLgMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:59:44 +0000 (UTC) --00c09f899589e41e41048f57265f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:41 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > > > Look guys.. heres the set up... can you see anything weird here? > > > > http://skitch.com/markfrancombe/dw6xm/preferences > > > With this setting both the piano and the synth+arp shall sound as you > play on the Ozone (on any MIDI channel). If you want only one of them > to sound: mute the other one. You may also set up > This is not currently happening, if I heard both sounds I would probably have come to the same conclusion. I thought that by giving a track "focus" it selected THAT instrument, defined for that track to be the current instrument when played on the Ozone keyboard. > > What I do not understand is what you mean by saying "I used to be able > to chose sound by clicking the yellow track header". I see no yellow > track headers at all? > Thats odd, the track header becomes yellow when I select it, (and the track becomes white) maybe a different colour for you? > > If you don't have any particular reason for defining the Ozone as > "Control Surface" in the preferences I suggest you make sure all > fileds in that upper area say "none". Defining a Control Surface means > that Live reacts automatically to whatever may be going on in the > Control Surface device (your Ozone). If you don't want that it is > better to use the Ozone as a traditional MIDI controller. Your pref's > settings below - under MIDI Ports - are correct and should do > perfectly well. > I DO like the Ozone to be a control surface, this way, (with the functionality that USED to work,) then the most useful controls PER SYNTH are given control from my Ozone knobs. I have 8 possible knobs and they should change function depending on which channel I select. This was particularly useful whn the Mobius channel was selected, as the first knob (on the Ozone) allowed be to choose which Mobius track to be on, and the other controlls selcted volume pan, feedback and secondary feedback. A admit however that I DO need to have the track changing mapped to FCB1010 footswitch (I expect this needs to be a script) and I would be happy with tow footswitches mapped to NEXT TRACK and PREV TRACK That was my next question heh heh... It WOULD be good however to permanently have a readout somewhere on the Live interface that tells me what Mobius track I am on, currently it is just shown via a little drop down menu, that I cannot see with my eye sight (unless I am hunched over the screen!!!) Is i possible to ,make a limited view version of the mobius interface, that can be a floating (always in front) window over Live? (I think not...) Greetings from Norway M > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00c09f899589e41e41048f57265f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Per Boy= sen <perboysen@= gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:41 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:<= br> >
> Look guys..=A0 heres the set up... can you see anything weird here? >
> http://skitch.com/markfrancombe/dw6xm/preferences


With this setting both the piano and the synth+arp shall sound as you=
play on the Ozone (on any MIDI channel). If you want only one of them
to sound: mute the other one. You may also set up

= This is not currently happening, if I heard both sounds I would probably ha= ve come to the same conclusion. I thought that by giving a track "focu= s" it selected THAT instrument, defined for that track to be the curre= nt instrument when played on the Ozone keyboard.
=A0

What I do not understand is what you mean by saying "I used to be able=
to chose sound by clicking the yellow track header". I see no yellow track headers at all?

Thats odd, the track header = becomes yellow when I select it,=A0 (and the track becomes white) maybe a d= ifferent colour for you?

If you don't have any particular reason for defining the Ozone as
"Control Surface" in the preferences I suggest you make sure all<= br> fileds in that upper area say "none". Defining a Control Surface = means
that Live reacts automatically to whatever may be going on in the
Control Surface device (your Ozone). If you don't want that it is
better to use the Ozone as a traditional MIDI controller. Your pref's settings below - under MIDI Ports - are correct and should do
perfectly well.

I DO like the Ozone to be a contro= l surface, this way, (with the functionality that USED to work,) then the m= ost useful controls PER SYNTH are given control from my Ozone knobs. I have= 8 possible knobs and they should change function depending on which channe= l I select.

This was particularly useful whn the Mobius channel was selected, as th= e first knob=A0 (on the Ozone) allowed be to choose which Mobius track to b= e on, and the other controlls selcted volume pan, feedback and secondary fe= edback.

A admit however that I DO need to have the track changing mapped to FCB= 1010 footswitch (I expect this needs to be a script) and I would be happy w= ith tow footswitches mapped to NEXT TRACK and PREV TRACK

That was my= next question heh heh...

It WOULD be good however to permanently have a readout somewhere on the= Live interface that tells me what Mobius track I am on, currently it is ju= st shown via a little drop down menu, that I cannot see with my eye sight (= unless I am hunched over the screen!!!) Is i possible to ,make a limited vi= ew version of the mobius interface, that can be a floating (always in front= ) window over Live? (I think not...)



Greetings from Norway

M


=A0

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub




--
mark francombewww.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markf= rancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--00c09f899589e41e41048f57265f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 09:11:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B005F3BE94; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 09:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <9A792991C4B146D987C8357C27128F85@ELUK1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20749426220B4857BE057E0ABB19AE01@ELUK1> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: How creativity is being strangled by the law Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:11:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01CB4B50.67AD0410" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 09:11:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01CB4B50.67AD0410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Incorrect judgement-assumption, Milo. When I inquired to Asus about = this they admitted it was disabled and asked why I needed Stereo Mix! = After some tweaking of the registry I removed the block, without = changing drivers. http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/dell_colludes_with_riaa_disables_st= ereo_mix_without_forewarning http://gizmodo.com/5022726/the-riaa-may-be-forcing-laptop-manufactuers-to= -disable-stereo-mix-recording http://forum.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3D9&t=3D33629&start=3D0 From: Milo=20 Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: How creativity is being strangled by the law If your professional audio card is not able to provide you with a stereo = mix, then something is broken, either in the software or hardware = domain. It is not RIAA's or IFPI's fault, either way. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Stephen Goodman = wrote: Thanks Louie. Another issue that's not been discussed here affects us = even more: the covert elimination of "Stereo Mix" from sound card = drivers, thanks to our old pals at the RIAA. Once again, the RIAA and = its cronies are attempting to eliminate our ability to record our own = work, while preparing to whine about how the presence of a "Stereo Mix" = option on Recording Devices constitutes an invitation to steal (aka = "piracy", which the RIAA and IFPI continue to manically claim is the = sole cause of reduced sales). From: Louie Angulo=20 interesting view of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7Q25-S7jzgs cheers Luis ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01CB4B50.67AD0410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Incorrect judgement-assumption, Milo.  = When I=20 inquired to Asus about this they admitted it was disabled and asked why = I needed=20 Stereo Mix!  After some tweaking of the registry I removed the = block,=20 without changing drivers.
 
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/ne= ws/dell_colludes_with_riaa_disables_stereo_mix_without_forewarning
 
http://gizmodo.com/5022726/the-ria= a-may-be-forcing-laptop-manufactuers-to-disable-stereo-mix-recording<= /FONT>
 
http://forum.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3D9&t=3D33629= &start=3D0
 
 

From: Milo
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:23 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Subject: Re: How creativity is being strangled by the=20 law

If your professional audio card is not able to = provide you=20 with a stereo mix, then something is broken, either in the software or = hardware=20 domain. It is not RIAA's or IFPI's fault, either way.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Stephen = Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>= =20 wrote:
Thanks Louie.  Another issue that's not = been=20 discussed here affects us even more: the covert elimination of "Stereo = Mix"=20 from sound card drivers, thanks to our old pals at the RIAA.  = Once again,=20 the RIAA and its cronies are attempting to eliminate our ability to = record our=20 own work, while preparing to whine about how the presence of a "Stereo = Mix"=20 option on Recording Devices constitutes an invitation to steal (aka = "piracy",=20 which the RIAA and IFPI continue to manically claim is the sole cause = of=20 reduced sales).

From: Louie = Angulo=20
interesting view of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7Q25-S7jzgs

c= heers
Luis

------=_NextPart_000_005A_01CB4B50.67AD0410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 12:59:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E5FD3BE95; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 12:59:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C80F118.6000207@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 08:59:04 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Macintosh/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #700 for September 2, 2010. 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Modulator ESP: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#sep Events: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Mahoney and Peck Fallen Are the A Life Incandescent (Waiting Pillars World) Rudy Adrian Trajectory Distant Stars (Lotuspike) Secret Druid Society Restles (Foreboding) Restless (First Fallen Star) Mystified Eulogy for Thomas Passing Through the Outer Park Gates (First Fallen Star) Steve Roach and Part 1 Nightbloom (Projekt) Mark Seelig 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Modulator ESP Part One New Horizons (none) Modulator ESP Part Two New Horizons (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Modulator ESP. 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It = is not RIAA's or IFPI's fault, either way. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Stephen Goodman = wrote: Thanks Louie.=A0 Another issue that's not been discussed here affects us ev= en more: the covert elimination of "Stereo Mix" from sound card drivers, th= anks to our old pals at the RIAA.=A0 Once again, the RIAA and its cronies a= re attempting to eliminate our ability to record our own work, while prepar= ing to whine about how the presence of a "Stereo Mix" option on Recording D= evices constitutes an invitation to steal (aka "piracy", which the RIAA and= IFPI continue to manically claim is the sole cause of reduced sales). From: Louie Angulo=20 interesting view of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7Q25-S7jzgs cheers Luis =0A=0A=0A --0-1460573699-1283519160=:88206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(How creativity is being strangled by th= e law)
 
Strangled by CORPORATIONS buying off the politicians who make the laws= is another way of saying it.

--- On Fri, 9/3/10, Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight= .net> wrote:

From: Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.ne= t>
Subject: Re: How creativity is being strangled by the law
To: L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 5:11= AM

Incorrect judgement-assumption, Milo.  When = I inquired to Asus about this they admitted it was disabled and asked why I= needed Stereo Mix!  After some tweaking of the registry I removed the= block, without changing drivers.
 
 
 
 
 

From: Milo
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: How creativity is being strangled by the law
=

If your professional audio card is not able to provid= e you with a stereo mix, then something is broken, either in the software o= r hardware domain. It is not RIAA's or IFPI's fault, either way.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Steph= en Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Thanks Louie.  Another issue that's not been= discussed here affects us even more: the covert elimination of "Stereo Mix= " from sound card drivers, thanks to our old pals at the RIAA.  Once a= gain, the RIAA and its cronies are attempting to eliminate our ability to r= ecord our own work, while preparing to whine about how the presence of a "S= tereo Mix" option on Recording Devices constitutes an invitation to steal (= aka "piracy", which the RIAA and IFPI continue to manically claim is the so= le cause of reduced sales).
interesting view of it:

htt= p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7Q25-S7jzgs

cheers
Luis

<= br>=0A=0A --0-1460573699-1283519160=:88206-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 14:01:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 174E33BE92; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=p/RRoJvF4oiRVz0zH0w0kJ6t6XqhmBCQmIoJQf5IlIw=; b=BW+Eq7EIDUOlaHM3VcgPt+tcTfOOlYcjzkyURegILxDqINb+1heHrYlu8YFvxTIpSt 8IuZaN47//aqTwCWU/HNyzovLI0ctYbaZC+f6K26Gf2ILoJdc6xczRJ/M0J62coJfBOP 0NrL2KWGK0i+hHTcNQHI+qHsSoWXktBphA4LY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mnaqFDAnZ4LGtZD0e5U5A7qync2r6bXLb7BsxMKgwo1eD0nzjPztfRkYdV5gzTQcib T2ffzDMNUJ5sSE7bpJ7RVQa0XN0D/eVZrpwSnOXxyDX/+iDhOIDUpRECQBP7DHNO4WZG e2cC5ajS7M/sNv6R5XT/++FjXQlEsVsvT0qaw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <332758.61090.qm@web56501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 22:01:01 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT- new video clip From: halim zainal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636416c7569ee27048f5b5cc3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:01:04 +0000 (UTC) --001636416c7569ee27048f5b5cc3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Awesome! Thank you for sharing. --001636416c7569ee27048f5b5cc3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Awesome! Thank you for sharing.
--001636416c7569ee27048f5b5cc3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 16:04:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 171C63BE93; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 257386.37738.bm@omp125.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283529857; bh=WiofUnNHueKd00yQy+X2GTCjfTGOSfIw/NiYUICveE0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s6oA5nUbdVrhg9jYRzGWgFdTzKSfiQded5QLPl5dAPKoo7f7l3NrpoL59m2tsXCRUZww3hXdemBYXQPbGQUxKRwXONTXFTJLgLtJof3Wh85wSrD4DZ03mC/ug1zjLzlu8S/niRgbkbXQ0467LcrdFG2thtjqjLb/OWOWr3p4w/E= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q5HoHTf92setBAD22Dy8aKRYCWAmIm5JOQcO9+5dZ6KS2PhvybPonT6+05T5kVh1GMMwJGOjp1SIuhfrWSyxrtc9PRwIA8a4CrdsfGDGvnI4dFnYoJTg23cd+3IDfFf30KfR+fHXcSg6JbCGBg4tqFB8Xp0RFWqTjXqdy9/a3KE=; Message-ID: <36149.53746.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9YLlKuoVM1kiMOPgTzUDE59iCk64tvnKV96zjf2316yG96F yIWAtRQ16WTyblHU8.wUl_kIcmELgwNZh.47ENGnlfNxnoNiFrSoDEdGwm3f C0FJmH9LXUW5AOsaZgjdMq51pAtlh.0VucoBdYw02Ash._5RhAwzXIxXNAb6 TymasLEaxzUQLLla_2tgGVByjiYlHKoKv0f2UcgTj9bCJ1s46avYCG3XFEJI pYIZlR7dkHKjPbCkq5rIRlBjsNlwXa4c4uZLIG3.nof6FYS3HkY8xmJryfXF qVFcmB7SPX_d7Ki96AGsd2sNi_1abao5Wv2icSaL7_eSw1TmXG76jcaygz_f CKSsnD0awBvk- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <797309.99827.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 09:04:16 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Self promotion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-721209741-1283529856=:53746" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:04:18 +0000 (UTC) --0-721209741-1283529856=:53746 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hello Matt, sorry for the slow answer. I have no internet access till next wednesday. Thanks for the most useful information. Will be back in touch after wednesday. Antony Hequet poet composer ________________________________ From: Matt Stevens To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:28:05 PM Subject: Re: Self promotion How to promote yourself online http://mattstevensguitar.com/page20.htm List of loop friendly bloggers/podcasters http://mattstevensguitar.com/page14.htm Hope this helps Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 31 Aug 2010, at 21:20, Antony Hequet wrote: Please forgive me for letting this fly bye me, someone posted am article about. Self promotion/production. The source was CD Baby and I believe the person posting or comenting was Andy Butler. Would you please forward the link again. I am setting up to publish my own stuff and could use some pointers. >Antony Hequet >Poet composer > > > > > > > > --0-721209741-1283529856=:53746 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
hello Matt,
sorry for the slow answer. I have no internet access till next wednesday. Thanks for the most useful information. Will be back in touch after wednesday.

Antony Hequet
poet composer


From: Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:28:05 PM
Subject: Re: Self promotion

How to promote yourself online


List of loop friendly bloggers/podcasters


Hope this helps



On 31 Aug 2010, at 21:20, Antony Hequet wrote:

Please forgive me for letting this fly bye me, someone posted am article about. Self promotion/production. The source was CD Baby and I believe the person posting or comenting was Andy Butler. Would you please forward the link again. I am setting up to publish my own stuff and could use some pointers.
Antony Hequet
Poet composer






--0-721209741-1283529856=:53746-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 16:22:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A58973BE92; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9TzG9i7VskDG7aCPe/IkiJefVB/UxWeYGk9taAj9bfo=; b=rElpoj3tMHXjemddXcMspxMhx/yprpB7ZMNUHqzYdq6wgF3eEKxRQoXvAHfiTq+xp1 SRfLEg+kpKtG8Mo5OuZ9WrsDSnBJBJl88UL0pLTb4lzrSAAlT2wi+iJAZ78Gfjb3DjZd Pkuxopki0pHs8nXVAHwGPp3/Y/HHedQ5g9NL4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=g2a5+A+9pDO3iWtxxEXuf2QhZlh+reQmw9nK+bJYKihScuNkde8F9F0hk4GK69CPGf ls9MUZFl0tboLaBdSjNlZHXrHUOAKNhf/NqNKEFg7CPlw23IZNLPI8mjWYiR6odzEvEy KuW/2N6INUZsX2KwARYv4oW3r1ktZVtU6k0wY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 09:22:08 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Playing in San Jose tonight From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I'll be playing solo drum machine in San Jose tonight, as part of an art opening at Anno Domini Gallery 8pm / Free Anno Domini Gallery 366 So. First Street San Jose, CA 95113 http://galleryad.com/#alex_mcleod -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 16:53:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55A3B3BE8F; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1283532810; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=dDHzPv9lMehZC3Sl/cPCqz2+Zv8=; b=OqvzN6lqhrzr0Z3+3GVtACfB5KGcJMuM1hlviH8aWjtft0F7FnkDMoBFoaFsbS+H vORvOQ4wlW++8/hfQ9rWHWbJHb18vxZqHz+JxlKHNRiOdhckyiIfsbwEQqrdAldy; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=KrcFizPo0Ecmcy0GolTWLFrfIH1QHXp7Dgf/1Vlt1Pg= c=1 sm=0 a=GSgjJ0CmwfzA/5D+KzHz8g==:17 a=50Cz1CyOAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=qyk2pYupAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=SKWMHSxcEKOC3jUXOO8A:9 a=89x3bbOxjm9Lc_p9BAEFCPHL3kUA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rgQfVWZxlWGDvFkXo80A:9 a=XZKgLjtr9An9A_F9dFMA:7 a=K4ngM0JHMm54YGpn8keNVblAA0AA:4 a=GSgjJ0CmwfzA/5D+KzHz8g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001001cb4b88$89062d70$2d7b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: Subject: OT: portable audio recorders Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 12:53:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB4B67.01952F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100903-0, 09/03/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:53:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB4B67.01952F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking to replace my aging Sony 702 mini disk recorder (still = works). Anyone have a recommendation? Budget minded so I was looking at = the Zoom H2. I would use it for field recordings and grabbing live gigs = on the fly. After reading mixed reviews I thought to ask here for hands = on experience. best, Jeff http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ http://www.vimeo.com/jeffduke http://livestream.com/jeffdukelive http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace http://usit.bandcamp.com/ http://digitsignal.bandcamp.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB4B67.01952F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am looking to replace my aging Sony = 702 mini disk=20 recorder (still works). Anyone have a recommendation? Budget minded so I = was=20 looking at the Zoom H2. I would use it for field recordings and grabbing = live=20 gigs on the fly. After reading mixed reviews I thought to ask here for = hands on=20 experience.
 
 
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Jeff
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB4B67.01952F60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 16:57:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E28583BE91; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jzX1drFq1WDROJxC4thoXg1r1FcLhl7rmjlfCRXccJg=; b=Fo+B1XRMmsQPh3IYCFZiqH3/JYe48mEoeaPm7jnMplhisHb4qSR9AtWEdJjpFH1dUE GDvTykLmESap6uEmbsdp0ypY++oz/1cf9jUyt8IlpVeEoeo2o71H8ca4Xgdy6Iza0ALO +w6SU5Ih8Ak8UHEPUbvEBTob1mE01zreJYCVU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KVo7/r8Cp25DsyjkIrdaZGR/Xxzbboe3YSqHysop9lSBOzoAOeS8fbfZlxK7HKrYjq RynhOQRW3Y0qRPT4S6YKhLReEy9Ltbbcav0KA4n0PVCAVEZeTtxmHh7OwTQc/aU0ZbPx yBxc1DONk0QGs7b/xIR7oYttVFhQCkoCjU860= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001001cb4b88$89062d70$2d7b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> References: <001001cb4b88$89062d70$2d7b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:56:46 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:56:59 +0000 (UTC) I've got Olympus LS-10 and its very good. Highly recommendable!! -petri- 2010/9/3 Jeff Duke : > I am looking to replace my aging Sony 702 mini disk recorder (still works). > Anyone have a recommendation? Budget minded so I was looking at the Zoom H2. > I would use it for field recordings and grabbing live gigs on the fly. After > reading mixed reviews I thought to ask here for hands on experience. > > > best, > > Jeff > > > http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ > http://www.vimeo.com/jeffduke > http://livestream.com/jeffdukelive > http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace > http://usit.bandcamp.com/ > http://digitsignal.bandcamp.com/ > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 17:18:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0A8C3BE90; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jQDGiaKMZhkA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=j9Fhf-rECLW84jNBNW4A:9 a=_4SaOyQWF5l8M83fvXIA:7 a=xWdKPYS9o_nSy3hiADVP0lxIfkEA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Message-ID: <20100903131848.RY1WF.10783950.root@mp07> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:18:48 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: ANY THOUGHTS ON THE NEW "PING" SOCIAL NETWORK INCLUDED IN THE LATEST iTUNES In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 68.118.35.162 by ssomail.charter.net; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 13:18:48 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:18:49 +0000 (UTC) I was just wondering what to make if it. I updated my software this morning and there it was. Although I like iTunes well enough . . . and am a long time Apple product user . . . it seems to me just another opportunity to have my privacy invaded and have Big Brother (or somebody) collect marketing data about me. It's no worse than FarceBook or Amazon or anyone else . . . but gee wiz . . . ain't there enough of this stuff out there already?. Any thoughts on the matter? Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 17:32:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B988C3BE8F; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 212632.59943.bm@omp111.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283535123; bh=nnvwiRq/C8D7aAGlVexbTHJmpRSY9QP1O6oyS3TmVr8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o17g7azRw9QwPyNswRor+V43vdbKukHfn9OsYDG4AGletRYbZ+E0GXwBTIWMXhYcZF9mRjdS8N3f3sLWVRJ+u8A2RN4fMuAVtSi5gS8zIQ9s/CH2TP34TeIbJNc5rUxKgKZLyWzzgWJbxsqy+E6Zd9dJkPc0101Vvwk3CkerkMU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q9ONsJob+6fpwXjZiSGkS4R2zx9oMu+jvyZRRMW49lmFv9wFTAE9XB7fW6kHyV87gqupf2+6I8TlpFwZrTX9tGtJ2YSb2G4SKeHgbgscscA7QTTcqdGWhhaaQMVSO0p3Qp7iorpgvrj6fZOMjWFgU54aXOAzNCdCmbHxUbOu0OA=; Message-ID: <16261.92441.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: oXrLZGQVM1neFfkALlEwFqHqpGzVxYtRZHf2ZrUfH1V_JUg 8bEmisPct2aeaz5FCPO0Ah97p7_yWSjpYiTBlHe.5WNcHut1RRTuWJAAvyi1 26aHvxRumAkOkf9mqQM6C44AVIKQsSOweqlhYmnSnlq8xHbNN0qKlXklePQz 1XzK2zVO_3O6qUK2xmKmAD6XKzIVMtSnWj9J8Dgf3Jr4cbK1bBsMg28wcZbZ ph_XlzorIL0bvdjWKAsdrhFFTbDvn3sRbCm3HseQ4671E9GIRASh3vJ.EmYy klM47.O8FpHu8NC3lSAE_NWNh4BEjd4OJP7Y_ImnIwUW_NgAn9YMoySXMfk8 H3g-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1339740270-1283535122=:92441" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:32:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-1339740270-1283535122=:92441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lov=E9 th=E9 Sony D50, lots of internal =0AMemory, gr=E9=E2t sound with bui= lt in mics.=0AAntony Hequet=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn 2010-09-03, at= 18:53, "Jeff Duke" wrote:=0A=0AI am looking to rep= lace my aging Sony 702 mini disk recorder (still works). Anyone have a reco= mmendation? Budget minded so I was looking at the Zoom H2. I would use it f= or field recordings and grabbing live gigs on the fly. After reading mixed= reviews I thought to ask here for hands on experience.=0A =0A =0Abest,=0A = =0AJeff=0A =0A =0Ahttp://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/=0Ahttp://www.vimeo.com/jeff= duke=0Ahttp://livestream.com/jeffdukelive=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/loopsinp= hasespace=0Ahttp://usit.bandcamp.com/=0Ahttp://digitsignal.bandcamp.com/=0A= =0A=0A=0A --0-1339740270-1283535122=:92441 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lov=E9 th=E9 Sony D50, lots of interna= l 
Memory, gr=E9=E2t sound with built in mics.
Ant= ony Hequet

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-09-03, at 18:53= , "Jeff Duke" <jeff_d@embarqmai= l.com> wrote:

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I am looking to replace my agin= g Sony 702 mini disk =0Arecorder (still works). Anyone have a recommendatio= n? Budget minded so I was =0Alooking at the Zoom H2. I would use it for fie= ld recordings and grabbing live =0Agigs on the fly. After reading mixed rev= iews I thought to ask here for hands on =0Aexperience.
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=0A=0A --0-1339740270-1283535122=:92441-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 17:35:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DD053BE95; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:35:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1283535319; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=ufRJ/VIVzOw1iHs6sJGMShGtC50=; b=gap5sutfGCu770czQBHEWVm4cKquxLg9wNyKZKkFSme3XiT8VHbAitj2y6VS/siv DvwDMNznoj7w4NHIDWyopM3STWcpIawP7R1j9knG2CU6o6Eymj3LLARSQp0NJduX; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=PkxXPvy1vp7WdU2s2YcsjdISwAJ+QdLk1qg6NM9vxjI= c=1 sm=0 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=GSgjJ0CmwfzA/5D+KzHz8g==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=xJF_FzRFZ4FT73Zs3qkA:9 a=iEIsWxu1ofIw_6OgWtIrG2G1IYUA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=GSgjJ0CmwfzA/5D+KzHz8g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000a01cb4b8e$606bd530$2d7b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <001001cb4b88$89062d70$2d7b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 13:35:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100903-0, 09/03/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:35:19 +0000 (UTC) nice! A bit more in price but some of the features and reviews look very good. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petri Lahtinen" To: Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders > I've got Olympus LS-10 and its very good. > Highly recommendable!! > > -petri- > > 2010/9/3 Jeff Duke : >> I am looking to replace my aging Sony 702 mini disk recorder (still >> works). >> Anyone have a recommendation? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 17:40:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 002D93BE93; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=m2wRPyM4vAS6mL7zf1PRR/nH3zPFWDb/fxxx/M/WsyA=; b=PZ5Mfxz9LM5N+mAu8oyvc3HRHNzWWP35n/IfdgYGmbIiyBBwzrEHZrJ13OccjxA10c 39l9/ZSFAWQ2WzYaP04l1/Acw/YYZittRKPNeKUL5yXWOdD67pov4YIc9OU7JoqPg4Np LTl8yvyGK+hQjrRI4Us2WsfxDNLVCD759AEVI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JK6Kc6RrOPzDUGhbU0eQkD6PFUnwcofx5qzV4iQdQ0UhdECxh58Rrfw7DJRVP33/3n igkWhEDM0PXqniIeqoMyQDt0GEhh0zXQ8n2u42jJgDFvno7GQdc2uQA8yIzwheO6yxe5 facSRZUx+puzcli0LeKlS/SKZ8nganplB4pzM= Message-ID: <4C813314.5050902@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:40:36 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Abelton Live question References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:40:32 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe schrieb: > Yes this and it used to work fine... I had a piano on one track with a > delay after it and a gate after that, then on a completely NEW track I > had a synth with an Arp midi effect.. > I USED to be able to just select the yellow HEADER of the channel, and > play the keyboard and THAT instrument + effects would play. Mhmm, seems to look fine to me (judging from that screenshot you posted - http://skitch.com/markfrancombe/dw6xm/preferences) One thing you can use when going troubleshooting is those level meters you have at various positions in Live. In that example shot, you have: a) the meter next to the "All Channels" text on your "keys" track - this is what comes into the input interface for that track. b) a meter on the left side of your piano synth - this is the MIDI data that goes into the plugin (not necessarily processed by it, though) c) a meter on the right side of the synth - that's the audio going out Same for the other plugins you have here, and then of course the channel output's meter (in that mixing console part of the track view, next to the fader). Now, in that situation where nothing works (and I assume you took the screenshot when you were specifically in that situation): Which of those meters move and which do not when you play your keyboard? (Also, I assume that you dropped your other synth on the track saying "10-Ryhtmic" in the track header, is that correct?) Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 17:42:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA14B3BE99; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283535775; bh=TVVlyYridwPg4edUT+mTPurQo1zXEQoYn+vDS/yGGS4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z6YkchT4GM4tEoTW0sdCBns53/G19W4cZDPiqTijDf25FEO9gXNVKBMk23VBWP6F8PxGwoSWBraoWK157C9vzFDbb/xRdHO9tTzagvlj0SAAakp9/R6FMvtHGy+AArYbupOGKY95gfPCUXiN3kZc1LINniVu3vl2Sj5116NsLFg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Uc7XXCwO47SWsn5WRVMtknV2JqaDIK4AOiQT+j6ZFXknDfSiGjpKYpKlm9J2wxiG4NYANsZlSiF7mOI28mud8Aim7RT59LWOk2EkJIeddvtBQBOBb62GuNWTOaRwvMZGIynkWqGswP3O1jn3H32snAWFnkovr7p9KFsNhHPfJHQ=; Message-ID: <243849.42881.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WLOjO4IVM1lAp6lgIweEpSDtUIyrFytI4zLGNNh7q9eyPv4 JGYH11Gqckin.DzFJzyNYAgrWlFLhnh_5BR7ri5EvmTNOoFTB1lnWgfmgoH5 DkxAMEG6FzMzIywc.G_v.UnYsLaOhixlsM_zqBYER15CwYS5dGdIPkd6hWyX jA9ZM5xlpyV4uGmYgnecuh47ZEttLCzIACqN0Ps_0YXtBGv5.a5tPx62W8P1 qZo4zHJj9MySexCNC3Un0LfeHYnumJL8LES1IlxUu.MziHdRP4.UeXCouZPi rBUYbFGum4NPhiKelDGmLW_yfbSjWxH7qBRKk5GR0_S5PUrJpf0_SSFemnVs y.u1FdGHgorNREtdkqagvZzvNX4vB78c- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:42:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001001cb4b88$89062d70$2d7b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-262967001-1283535775=:42881" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:42:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-262967001-1283535775=:42881 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My Sharp MDM15 still does a good job! =A0 I had a Zoom H4 and recorded a number of 'live' jams with it. I just placed= it on=A0a tripod in the middle of my PA spkrs & guitar amp. It faithfully = recorded the performance. I since sold it and replaced it with a newer Zoom= H4N which I just received yesterday. The advantage the Zoom has over most = if not all of the other portables is that it can function as a 4 track MTR.= Plus it has a lot of other capabilities (e.g. acting as an audio PC interf= ace). I wouldn't be surprised if the H2 performed admirably as well. =A0 I was considering the Sony PCMM10 which is selling for $229 (was $289)=A0pr= esently and which had a rebate for a free case, if I remember correctly. Bu= t, I opted for the extra features of the Zoom. =A0 Regards, Paul --- On Fri, 9/3/10, Jeff Duke wrote: From: Jeff Duke Subject: OT: portable audio recorders To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 12:53 PM I am looking to replace my aging Sony 702 mini disk recorder (still works).= Anyone have a recommendation? Budget minded so I was looking at the Zoom H= 2. I would use it for field recordings and grabbing live gigs on the fly. A= fter reading mixed reviews I thought to ask here for hands on experience. =A0 =A0 best, =A0 Jeff =A0 =A0 http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ http://www.vimeo.com/jeffduke http://livestream.com/jeffdukelive http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace http://usit.bandcamp.com/ http://digitsignal.bandcamp.com/ =0A=0A=0A --0-262967001-1283535775=:42881 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My Sharp MDM15 still does a good job!
 
I had a Zoom H4 and recorded a number of 'live' jams with it. I just p= laced it on a tripod in the middle of my PA spkrs & guitar amp. It= faithfully recorded the performance. I since sold it and replaced it with = a newer Zoom H4N which I just received yesterday. The advantage the Zoom ha= s over most if not all of the other portables is that it can function as a = 4 track MTR. Plus it has a lot of other capabilities (e.g. acting as an aud= io PC interface). I wouldn't be surprised if the H2 performed admirably as = well.
 
I was considering the Sony PCMM10 which is selling for $229 (was $289)=  presently and which had a rebate for a free case, if I remember corre= ctly. But, I opted for the extra features of the Zoom.
 
Regards, Paul
--- On Fri, 9/3/10, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarq= mail.com> wrote:

From: Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
= Subject: OT: portable audio recorders
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com
Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 12:53 PM

I am looking to replace my aging Sony 702 = mini disk recorder (still works). Anyone have a recommendation? Budget mind= ed so I was looking at the Zoom H2. I would use it for field recordings and= grabbing live gigs on the fly. After reading mixed reviews I thought to as= k here for hands on experience.
 
 
best,
 
Jeff
 
 

=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-262967001-1283535775=:42881-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 17:43:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B39463BE93; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MFRd/Z+D/MhhiVAOC0gn445lBCu5MDGIb986oWct2j4=; b=M0V4fQbhavaHuUmkM2+ZskLe10+t/riyt8P3gYjLcUFO6dmzRu3io3lwX64otwW9du lKnsfZp1QeGfEA+3mWCH/Zo/SXoUCyHul/TLMPA7dBwSqxOSLW4/mwyHflj/Qem9/3iE tomHNgqPcE3VUhG8dtKBX4AYdSq3tzEn7xvMY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=e8xGjgmRga9Y3GulutUB0yhcNhUTQEU5n/zsGU0nH12q804ExOFIbCtdRA/43/ssd4 Jm302uvGywJpL55RYPyrO3/lAWB61HGXp3beRzkWsLN3MP9z04NC4UCpRqeZvLVBx02W sV8hs8fRB5gA6tmmtL01WetRf/3lryDv5l5CE= Message-ID: <4C8133BE.9010106@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:43:26 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders References: <001001cb4b88$89062d70$2d7b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> In-Reply-To: <001001cb4b88$89062d70$2d7b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7-3jeB.A.x1E.5OTgMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Duke schrieb: > I am looking to replace my aging Sony 702 mini disk recorder (still > works). Anyone have a recommendation? Budget minded so I was looking > at the Zoom H2. I would use it for field recordings and grabbing live > gigs on the fly. After reading mixed reviews I thought to ask here for > hands on experience. > I have the Zoom H2. Three things that suck: 1) no level adjustment for the line in before the converters 2) the mic sensitivity switch has three positions. The lowest sensitivity is already too sensitive when trying to record an acoustic jazz trio. 3) you need to set date/time info again every time you exchange batteries. Apart from that, it works fine, really. So due to (2) aboove, you might have problems with the "live gig" use case. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 18:39:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EB653BE93; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 18:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=IawLECcIYiGcEzD22PaaFTL7Yhv47khspNuIk0oWnA78sAlqyDKg86CdFa8ghUJCjD4W1O1/FXOryn9Y4yR/ju57ZF/klR9VU/IRnsNSvLqcJ3p5OiG1kHMY+IaGU+wyXofrqOyBLXgVLeDLy1DWIRiBMqjC6VJW0Tat7hA4oc0= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1283539155; bh=uwOJTsROv82QQ5pn+1u7jZ5vZYLafxr7205k5PitaI8=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=UfqE47c1LIYlrIqAq3qKUN0Xy1kjd2wIn5C9j2y79r6ap+5TxnJ6uk5CbYwdZy5IAyfA45gdOOKyhEZHxaaXB+LsDVMvZcF2TwbPnPeMF9wsHZC9tcvXiEgs3nYSGttMHYlECbIyYzfSHmsnc1gHN4ORZGa24yfjwIW+XBp83bc= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: E16ploYVM1kPv7NhxXEK_uoSHaayEeCpkHD29WMx1oUmnGJ s9uUf4jbqW.QGwM0OyHgD0C0ktNTcbpSK8CNxvMp32J1HcO21M1CVDABhL2V Cn3J3xaZR8gJA0JtP5qhA4Xsh1NIIQzpD_PyQn7Q.FRGBB2bdDfx5rXCBaP_ ZXO_7Ya7I9X4ujkFA.y97CL_.OH6mLgbK2L6Rl74mcdBNmZPNFowIdZfYerg 0OeUtzNcuC6teNbcZ2oCM X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <36149.53746.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <797309.99827.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <36149.53746.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-289274446 Message-Id: <0EBAB5D6-86B9-448A-AA18-9581F099449F@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Self promotion Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:39:12 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 18:39:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-289274446 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Glad to help :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 3 Sep 2010, at 17:04, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: > hello Matt, > sorry for the slow answer. I have no internet access till next > wednesday. Thanks for the most useful information. Will be back in > touch after wednesday. > > Antony Hequet > poet composer > > > From: Matt Stevens > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:28:05 PM > Subject: Re: Self promotion > > How to promote yourself online > > http://mattstevensguitar.com/page20.htm > > List of loop friendly bloggers/podcasters > > http://mattstevensguitar.com/page14.htm > > Hope this helps > > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > On 31 Aug 2010, at 21:20, Antony Hequet wrote: > >> Please forgive me for letting this fly bye me, someone posted am >> article about. Self promotion/production. The source was CD Baby >> and I believe the person posting or comenting was Andy Butler. >> Would you please forward the link again. I am setting up to >> publish my own stuff and could use some pointers. >> Antony Hequet >> Poet composer >> >> >> >> > > > --Apple-Mail-3-289274446 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Glad to help :)

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 3 Sep 2010, = at 17:04, antonyhequet@yahoo.com = wrote:

hello Matt,
sorry for the slow answer. I have no = internet access till next wednesday. Thanks for the most useful = information. Will be back in touch after wednesday.

Antony = Hequet
poet composer


 Matt = Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com>
 Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
 Tue, = August 31, 2010 10:28:05 PM
 Re: Self = promotion

How to promote yourself online

List of loop friendly = bloggers/podcasters

Hope this helps


Matt = Stevens

On 31 Aug 2010, at 21:20, Antony Hequet = wrote:

Please forgive me for letting = this fly bye me, someone posted am article about. Self = promotion/production. The source was CD Baby and I believe the person = posting or comenting was Andy Butler. Would you please forward the link = again. I am setting up to publish my own stuff and could use some = pointers.
Antony Hequet
Poet composer




= --Apple-Mail-3-289274446-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 18:49:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 455413BE8C; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 18:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 488 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 18:49:51 UTC Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 18:41:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1261586831.1051069.1283539304450.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <16261.92441.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1051068_2033840590.1283539304450" X-Originating-IP: [170.63.96.108] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2429.RHEL4 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.5_GA_2427.RHEL4) Resent-Message-ID: <2628WD.A.IRG.PNUgMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 18:49:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1051068_2033840590.1283539304450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Me too! Excellent sound quality and excellent build quality. Best of breed.= Pricier than the Zoom but I think it's well worth it.=20 Chris=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Antony Hequet" =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 3, 2010 1:32:02 PM=20 Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders=20 Lov=C3=A9 th=C3=A9 Sony D50, lots of internal=20 Memory, gr=C3=A9=C3=A2t sound with built in mics.=20 Antony Hequet=20 ------=_Part_1051068_2033840590.1283539304450 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Me too!&n= bsp; Excellent sound quality and excellent build quality.  Best of bre= ed.  Pricier than the Zoom but I think it's well worth it.

Chri= s

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Lov=C3=A9 th=C3=A9 Sony D50, lots of internal 
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Antony Hequet=


------=_Part_1051068_2033840590.1283539304450-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 19:07:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6AEB3BE8F; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:07:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hOm8hJEAmVg5dgnVrOt12WnpCKzsABzpY+l4cxKuLI8=; b=CwCHLt5k2bx+z3F3Zetcf8bPBlbEYg8vZneqNVoMZ7rKwuIK+aAHvTKE+fFrYMCzFh yG3H7QUxtA4T5bQFEgAi+nQGVINE7OGivPrXi36QuadAooHNPImL0AH3LuXUdtBb9+Pm +jH6QaSLRIwXVd4E+xOZ1KlW7KCPwh8pz2ViA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tBt8evmVYmq/vyaKhKaKmzjQAfuEgsMFbvVgAYKPt214oY5L34UGS+gpxghJWZx+aA GDws+eFRlfH7QVrMnQvNcKa+4TUAbA5Sh5yfAlXh4SK7CDTEy2Rom4It5jsEbUuWO3KJ Yxlh0vZD2OHiYMvpfOr7D+ak8s5og0HkBbjLQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100903131848.RY1WF.10783950.root@mp07> References: <20100903131848.RY1WF.10783950.root@mp07> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 21:07:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: ANY THOUGHTS ON THE NEW "PING" SOCIAL NETWORK INCLUDED IN THE LATEST iTUNES From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:07:45 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 7:18 PM, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn = wrote: > Any thoughts on the matter? If you need it, use it. Otherwise don't. Over here I just upgraded iTunes to 10.0, but I see no Ping function. Can't say I miss it ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 19:09:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A5B93BE94; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4B8641EF56CC4E099E9B3960CB8E7B2C@ELUK1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20100903131848.RY1WF.10783950.root@mp07> In-Reply-To: <20100903131848.RY1WF.10783950.root@mp07> Subject: Re: OT: ANY THOUGHTS ON THE NEW "PING" SOCIAL NETWORK INCLUDED IN THE LATEST iTUNES Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 20:09:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:09:39 +0000 (UTC) To me Apple has always presented the happy face but carried the fascist inside, so my take on this would be Just Another 'Social Network' Trying To Cash In And Collect Your Data For Undisclosed Use. I'm still juggling the idea of letting Myspace 'link up with' my Facebook page. -------------------------------------------------- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:18 PM To: Subject: OT: ANY THOUGHTS ON THE NEW "PING" SOCIAL NETWORK INCLUDED IN THE LATEST iTUNES > I was just wondering what to make if it. > > I updated my software this morning and there it was. > > Although I like iTunes well enough . . . and am a long time Apple product > user . . . it seems to me just another opportunity to have my privacy > invaded and have Big Brother (or somebody) collect marketing data about > me. > > It's no worse than FarceBook or Amazon or anyone else . . . but gee wiz . > . . ain't there enough of this stuff out there already?. > > Any thoughts on the matter? > > Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 19:16:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10C043BEB2; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:16:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <53FB40443F7A4F00BFDBA6A0CF08A123@ELUK1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20100903131848.RY1WF.10783950.root@mp07> In-Reply-To: <20100903131848.RY1WF.10783950.root@mp07> Subject: Steinberger? Opinions? Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 20:16:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:16:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi Folks, Another query from here: I decided not to go with one of Brian May's great guitars as they don't sound like something you could play softly without heavy processing... and also because I'm interested in some MIDI on the next guitar. And so, the Steinberger. I understand the original ones had the graphite-wood construction and the recent Spirits are all Maple. Beyond that I have yet to find too many London guitar shops to go try one out - but I'm curious as to your opinions regarding this axe. MIDI use anyone? Or am I wasting my efforts on the unit? The opinions of this happy/scrappy group are as usual more than appreciated. Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net http://www.earthlight.tv * Sent from a PC, not an iPhone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 19:17:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 885E13BEA9; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=B6G7taebX9YNVuSmk8KlADOn6cco2BHZgJEqtlSlARs=; b=vqV91V7ghfCloYMLVzeVrkC3kCnpTBB4zKMqygL9HCzvtrOPIvAVQxkTAyYMYezhmN P1UsD+HvjuEq57ACEancxlAJ5rJNVYG9PUtCd7OrzLRonYySCLAF+/ccVS940E7rlpjO 7lq4b94NMpeCWA4NUntIYyk7exAUScI4uZD9g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Qy4v+qgT/B44KfSmucGTg8FVVaGrmlF2ejD+xIm73UgZsV1INJ2qBNVLaAEjh4+zXC v/ZhEyjz1FTEc6SfbLxXhHfAsNumQlOvOAXRcVcPFLBQmrMZ22+VtckWkWS/LGQW9dMp bHAlqOeV2BzeTHFINeUwdB/io+RtyT3JLPnkw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Mecca From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d975bad58294048f5fc723 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:17:25 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d975bad58294048f5fc723 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca." http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests Feedback much appreciated! Ricky --0016e6d975bad58294048f5fc723 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca." http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests

Feedback much appreciated!

Ricky
--0016e6d975bad58294048f5fc723-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 19:23:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 813AC3BEA2; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2//ZV1Wx6fxoThQbL9YpCb5wR9x3UCYd9Ge9LO1OFFk=; b=km/T6KfFRtw/Tm7adOm7CH/UGc0Ks0MiZoX5HNs1fEzyAAXrtEE7gvjBp1hGkMImNa +kL6G37kOHLlGxkLVrQ3ADfnZtmft8ghfXM2E6fbjm0a6TsaLApilo8nI6e95YfUdidF tuGUmzc7K0NTc+qJb3dktnMzVWLNlE2WCOTYY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=JIVCrVJs7s8nW03hYLXHgHIqPm47NCQUmpORzMcBq1IFtsxPNf9+QQxFE5mhw83ieB cDqVSv58c8IK9tw4I4QdCIXdrjxsTkA/eDS8l4jWivB8goFjvOOjIabkRcWaEnbUran/ UhhUgNbqPlkJsmNXks7gST0tmK2iqozm7U9sI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <53FB40443F7A4F00BFDBA6A0CF08A123@ELUK1> References: <20100903131848.RY1WF.10783950.root@mp07> <53FB40443F7A4F00BFDBA6A0CF08A123@ELUK1> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 15:23:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Steinberger? Opinions? From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517511c4a268533048f5fdd3d Resent-Message-ID: <7gr9rB.A.SDH.ssUgMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:23:24 +0000 (UTC) --001517511c4a268533048f5fdd3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you are looking at built in MIDI, see if you can find someone who carries Brian Moore iGuitars. I have one and I like it a lot. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Another query from here: I decided not to go with one of Brian May's great > guitars as they don't sound like something you could play softly without > heavy processing... and also because I'm interested in some MIDI on the next > guitar. And so, the Steinberger. I understand the original ones had the > graphite-wood construction and the recent Spirits are all Maple. Beyond > that I have yet to find too many London guitar shops to go try one out - but > I'm curious as to your opinions regarding this axe. MIDI use anyone? Or am > I wasting my efforts on the unit? > > The opinions of this happy/scrappy group are as usual more than > appreciated. > > Stephen Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net > http://www.earthlight.tv > * > Sent from a PC, not an iPhone > -- -==-=-=- Tony --001517511c4a268533048f5fdd3d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you are looking at built in MIDI, see if you can find someone who carrie= s Brian Moore iGuitars.=A0 I have one and I like it a lot.

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlig= ht.net> wrote:
Hi Folks,

Another query from here: I decided not to go with one of Brian May's gr= eat guitars as they don't sound like something you could play softly wi= thout heavy processing... and also because I'm interested in some MIDI = on the next guitar. =A0And so, the Steinberger. =A0I understand the origina= l ones had the graphite-wood construction and the recent Spirits are all Ma= ple. =A0Beyond that I have yet to find too many London guitar shops to go t= ry one out - but I'm curious as to your opinions regarding this axe. = =A0MIDI use anyone? =A0Or am I wasting my efforts on the unit?

The opinions of this happy/scrappy group are as usual more than appreciated= .

Stephen Goodman
EarthLight Productions
*
http://www.earthlig= ht.net
http://www.earthligh= t.tv
*
Sent from a PC, not an iPhone



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Tony
--001517511c4a268533048f5fdd3d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 19:29:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C1233BE8F; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=m21DFknJlO0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=_ak9i7-zAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=49pfpiDRRj8LQ7DlgWEA:9 a=L15mCkJyfKvPZV2gv_YA:7 a=0I68J3tsFBdce5oFGu83yN-uL8kA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_l2Q2dtbBbIA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 Message-ID: <20100903152940.ALWD3.8356762.root@mp11> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 12:29:40 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: ANY THOUGHTS ON THE NEW "PING" SOCIAL NETWORK INCLUDED IN THE LATEST iTUNES Cc: Stephen Goodman In-Reply-To: <4B8641EF56CC4E099E9B3960CB8E7B2C@ELUK1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 68.118.35.162 by ssomail.charter.net; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 15:29:39 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I understand. I quit Twitter some months back . . . and killed both of my MySpace pages a= couple weeks ago. Too much connectivity is . . .well, too much. :-) Ted ---- Stephen Goodman wrote:=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To me Apple has always presented the happy face but carried the fascist=20 inside, so my take on this would be Just Another 'Social Network' Trying To= =20 Cash In And Collect Your Data For Undisclosed Use. I'm still juggling the= =20 idea of letting Myspace 'link up with' my Facebook page. -------------------------------------------------- From: "tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:18 PM To: Subject: OT: ANY THOUGHTS ON THE NEW "PING" SOCIAL NETWORK INCLUDED IN THE= =20 LATEST iTUNES > I was just wondering what to make if it. > > I updated my software this morning and there it was. > > Although I like iTunes well enough . . . and am a long time Apple product= =20 > user . . . it seems to me just another opportunity to have my privacy=20 > invaded and have Big Brother (or somebody) collect marketing data about= =20 > me. > > It's no worse than FarceBook or Amazon or anyone else . . . but gee wiz .= =20 > . . ain't there enough of this stuff out there already?. > > Any thoughts on the matter? > > Ted=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 19:56:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59F193BE8D; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 941480.44584.bm@omp124.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283543795; bh=/83C4mz6W7wSMg+5FtK+0M3Tk3BEqvD5j28Nj6DOz2U=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CYiGwLGeUhZbpmm4vVDjXFtXf7Vxbu1FoqrwFo0He7HOm1SLdJEkKgZBcVPgqUuCvPfaXBdD3UII8yIrNLAXiQxLBM99PK4yI+8EApxAM0HSteBw/93k0r0frOs5vTZL1aUvWg3QUPoB4Lcb4s05ufvadLrbZQ7Udev6xFWmQfA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bnxdH6fftZ7PsMTfPSlStj8GMpbb2CdjY+eDkVCfPdFEHVddhlvzsT223TD7HlbbdGJ9bmzzpCMPBru+ztqMIQcV2370Q5lZb/fydQsJAudHBC/DRJNjcAqWWNdITlQa9Vdub9TVjvIZJokn+cpdk2J3g7hFAJYaRcDGNxBEjDs=; Message-ID: <770674.21271.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: GWfvuJ8VM1mVoFnwqRZgOmn.Rf22lxpK4Lbs2zq0j1dKbdj TfM71GIrHTIUfms_HkJy3PfgJsJk0te6IpV517LOgKCwCV7ZcOpzNS_8Qd_. _VJoFI1ir3xp34wZ6RPPyFXPGVviXpzh71.vI9v9KPoENE08eF4uwNssPeOp heu4JlJfEhUZXfJCCtAncZKGr0Y_52GmH_2S2Ylh2xRz.Ody1niKr124NMqz fv6ve3irOF96ZiavmK6j1cDmGvyMA1uwOl1U_O.e6PMO2SnMbGVcrJilzBty 1uxX47DdthY8kO9lGwzoPE0vekCpUgXtKtnnP1yPSB_5xnQpAbfq6PJhUcMQ TwczgW9QJAxXhVIOSGtAB3fkQ_44yI0uE5aGvM_w- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 12:56:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-210269009-1283543795=:21271" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:56:36 +0000 (UTC) --0-210269009-1283543795=:21271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another cool feature it's very frugal with batteries. Th=E9 mics CAN be SET= to diff=E9rent Angles. It's really the best . Only competitor is H4 becaus= e of the 4 channels but build quality is very cheap compared to Sony.=0AAnt= ony Hequet=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn 2010-09-03, at 20:41, Christoph= e wrote:=0A=0AMe too! Excellent sound quality and e= xcellent build quality. Best of breed. Pricier than the Zoom but I think = it's well worth it.=0A=0AChris=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: "A= ntony Hequet" =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com=0ASent: Friday, September 3, 2010 1:32:02 PM=0ASubject: Re: OT: porta= ble audio recorders=0A=0ALov=E9 th=E9 Sony D50, lots of internal =0AMemory,= gr=E9=E2t sound with built in mics.=0AAntony Hequet=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A = --0-210269009-1283543795=:21271 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another cool feature it's very frugal = with batteries. Th=E9 mics CAN be SET to diff=E9rent Angles. It's really th= e best . Only competitor is H4 because of the 4 channels but build quality = is very cheap compared to Sony.
Antony Hequet

Sent from my= iPhone

On 2010-09-03, at 20:41, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> wrote:

Me too!  Excellent sound quality an= d excellent build quality.  Best of breed.  Pricier than the Zoom= but I think it's well worth it.

Chris

----- Original Message= -----
From: "Antony Hequet" <antonyhequet@yahoo.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Sent: Friday, September 3, 2010 1:32:02 PM
Subj= ect: Re: OT: portable audio recorders

Lov=E9 th=E9 Sony D50, lo= ts of internal 
Memory, gr=E9=E2t sound with built in mics.<= /div>
Antony Hequet

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=0A=0A --0-210269009-1283543795=:21271-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 20:04:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FB223BEA2; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 20:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 576183.31801.bm@omp110.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283544273; bh=iGBPQusbB6hp9Wbx71FzbytgPuBG7DwKMdVQrrLWXGM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ax4hCPbfYl7EBj3xJJpSW5Wtb6ZGYBzz1RNQcfS7+tVN9RjHBDDrAqMStZGPZtoypdigD/47/w1pCiGPW+z2oVOvxLnDJpXyoqga1dgXq87WVCFqGoPN55O4JwXgb2ROrw5B7UcJdcMXqNJR4suLezxcEE1B/wKbr6BkH/FOczE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QPLnIiqxW6NZZERFdXVY/dtsS1BXSnB15+FgANuQLvHyBTzMKbv6eBhSXalIi6uG7RMOK5SVRUJnb3YppBuMB59TzrOMbNM0cG5d6kLGWM/sWHPWiCfyaF8DXs3yJ1xlaXRm/+bhnUrkxt+CmV7v68glqNvkxY5uTPFBPYPgcEk=; Message-ID: <348916.91229.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7QTuqKcVM1ku5M6VpqRmEp16QHS1wJLkfCB_obSt_oVM5Da kw2PgwjWoZHoXgCke7POeHVQwe5HZfwauHuups7tV.fkxsQLjWZ8N7wYRI3u u2Smf8qKY5WWqxFpoXOBk7ETAD64z5kHp9WiToLkf1V5r7SuBk959KI70Dry Sdy_iv1GxJ63uvcomi37ruHfu3LtrhYzqV8InV0YxODKfYslr9rTlhk8h.2g JWmZv0Xi.h67_BEO7d1v8itANSc9zR3IKrd7o66YqtH0tdSyk9oac8T9wTaD AeYMsKZCncv_KTa1KVvk2IgcKM.puSFnX5KqDPcz..1ws0oM0WECcLs46mAH IyGsYrGtJidk- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 13:04:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: Self promotion To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-242472767-1283544273=:91229" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 20:04:34 +0000 (UTC) --0-242472767-1283544273=:91229 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There is a lot of info on your web site, I am looking thru it! Antony Hequet Sent from my iPhone On 2010-09-03, at 20:39, Matt Stevens wrote: Glad to help :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 3 Sep 2010, at 17:04, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: hello Matt, sorry for the slow answer. I have no internet access till next wednesday. Thanks for the most useful information. Will be back in touch after wednesday. Antony Hequet poet composer From: Matt Stevens To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:28:05 PM Subject: Re: Self promotion How to promote yourself online http://mattstevensguitar.com/page20.htm List of loop friendly bloggers/podcasters http://mattstevensguitar.com/page14.htm Hope this helps Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 31 Aug 2010, at 21:20, Antony Hequet wrote: Please forgive me for letting this fly bye me, someone posted am article about. Self promotion/production. The source was CD Baby and I believe the person posting or comenting was Andy Butler. Would you please forward the link again. I am setting up to publish my own stuff and could use some pointers. Antony Hequet Poet composer --0-242472767-1283544273=:91229 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
There is a lot of info on your web site, I am looking thru it!
Antony Hequet

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-09-03, at 20:39, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:

Glad to help :)


On 3 Sep 2010, at 17:04, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote:

hello Matt,
sorry for the slow answer. I have no internet access till next wednesday. Thanks for the most useful information. Will be back in touch after wednesday.

Antony Hequet
poet composer


From: Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:28:05 PM
Subject: Re: Self promotion

How to promote yourself online


List of loop friendly bloggers/podcasters


Hope this helps



On 31 Aug 2010, at 21:20, Antony Hequet wrote:

Please forgive me for letting this fly bye me, someone posted am article about. Self promotion/production. The source was CD Baby and I believe the person posting or comenting was Andy Butler. Would you please forward the link again. I am setting up to publish my own stuff and could use some pointers.
Antony Hequet
Poet composer









--0-242472767-1283544273=:91229-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 20:21:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95A533BEC3; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 20:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C8158AB.1000902@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:20:59 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders References: <4C8133BE.9010106@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4C8133BE.9010106@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 20:21:06 +0000 (UTC) I think the Olympus DS10 has it all over the Zoom 2. It's really solidly built, has 2 gigs of memory onboard but will accept hella large SC cards. (I keep 2 4 gig cards around for this purpose), it's very small and it has the ability to either USB into a computer or you have the use of a card reader for the SD cards. I think the onboard condenser microphones sound really pretty good (vastly better than, say a typical video camera mic) but it also has the ability to use offboard mics (just mini stereo plugs however). That being said , I rue the day that I got it, because my brother just spent 3 bills and bought the amazing Zoom Q3 which has all these features plus HD video capabilities for only about $50 more in price. Buy the Q3 and then you can really document everything, not to mention the wondrous Boss Looping Competition video that you all need to make with non-Boss products (wink) rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 21:44:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 722663BE92; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 21:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283550295; bh=OZAI1sqNZYgzFzDmsOvHjDLS/bqhsNMlbaq5T356T/0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OeziNxzDXgP7z0F/MYK0U6+Uk2bWX76Ak5AesbMJ5L5nx4sKkY1WV1qvv36uM+EfxwM8YFnjk2sWloRz1pNEryCFZ38R7t/AHvguUqUve9HETFK/Unq9T6W/T0dh1I8LOmqy19tyStcxpAZD11zb9qGG20xLhpD0LfF4FRLklB4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KJTz+hWU3JswImgoDchXQMD1hJt7BcbZ9lxZMLfjXw9ZykRMJoIfD0vJeXWyOiV8FRy3TIHsKcEOuqpn/m4bFeYr5zDKktWL24U8jMXVqwAo1E4TYUHJqhMqFXsiA56Pi/MWQzolYAWFZqJaaUqceLKpmpqoWOuI8SGC5CMsmcA=; Message-ID: <626340.78315.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: geqcRW8VM1lgJB6l0nTYe3wU9GTFqxkpmMtvDjsQ6PwKUYK 5TcWUHkWf4fip6KTwIDVf7EExsq.PG9GqJTtm.ivZ.2k_SdtgUbBXVr6wUH1 dPi6Fi8SnUQ8PP37vWjLn8lufgMtGpxPd19xnQYBi97uXbYaVHDMBlvrnwwS Wx4i5ibai3uVoeE0Ju5eeBM2LQPf0jd_DwbPgejn_Pu._wpnUasdr08PD.mA 65NFnJSrj_5S5NC.H9lhfLfNMtrusf77YDhwPPfRM_QjRT5vgrbsMYrcxgU. nLyg8BwV8IJRPwL7og0rwtXi1Mf7b.Qb47ml0iD4Yz1QYLGaHFgtWOmmkipT GwW0LqK3YEcMLWXI1iBSuiBwx16XbEIjn X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:44:55 -0700 (PDT) From: david kirkdorffer Subject: OT: portable audio recorders To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-383740119-1283550295=:78315" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 21:44:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-383740119-1283550295=:78315 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too have the H2.=A0 Rainer is spot on with this observations.=A0=A0=A0 In= my rock-band =0Aapplication, this is a problem:=0A=0A=A0 2) the mic sensit= ivity switch has three positions. The lowest sensitivity is =0Aalready too = sensitive when trying to record an acoustic jazz trio.=0A=0A=0A=0ANOTE: wit= h there "seems" to be an ability to attenuate the signal that you can =0Aac= cess, it is operating on the converted digital signal AFTER the mic/pre-amp= =0Awhere=A0the clipping has already happened.=A0 Drum impacts=A0are often = the culprit for =0Ame.=A0 And the built-in compression systems are no help = either.=A0 Great for spoken =0Aword and lectures however! :-)=0A=0ASo, if y= our sound pressure levels are less rigorous, =A0the sound quality of the = =0Arecordings is=A0really=A0 o u t s t a n d i n g . =A0 =0A=0A=0ASo, if yo= u work with high sound pressure levels, investigate how any signal =0Aatten= uation is accomplished.=0A=0AI hope that helps.=0A=0ADavid.=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom= : =0A>"Rainer Straschill" =0A>To: =0A>"" =0A>Jeff Duke schrieb:=0A>> I am looking to re= place my aging Sony 702 mini disk recorder (still works). =0A>>Anyone have = a recommendation? Budget minded so I was looking at the Zoom H2. I =0A>>wou= ld use it for field recordings and grabbing live gigs on the fly. After =0A= >>reading mixed reviews I thought to ask here for hands on experience.=0A>>= =A0 =0A>I have the Zoom H2. Three things that suck:=0A>=A0 1) no level adju= stment for the line in before the converters=0A>=A0 2) the mic sensitivity = switch has three positions. The lowest sensitivity is =0A>already too sensi= tive when trying to record an acoustic jazz trio.=0A>=A0 3) you need to set= date/time info again every time you exchange batteries.=0A>=0A>Apart from = that, it works fine, really.=0A>=0A>So due to (2) aboove, you might have pr= oblems with the "live gig" use case.=0A>=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer=0A>=0A>-= - http://moinlabs.de=0A>Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs= =0A>=0A=0A=0A --0-383740119-1283550295=:78315 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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  3) you need to set date/time info again every time you exchang= e batteries.

Apart from that, it works fine, really.

So due t= o (2) aboove, you might have problems with the "live gig" use case.

=         Rainer

-- http://moinlabs.de
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=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-383740119-1283550295=:78315-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 21:52:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32E973BE93; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 21:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <53FB40443F7A4F00BFDBA6A0CF08A123@ELUK1> Subject: RE: Steinberger? Opinions? Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 23:51:57 +0200 Message-ID: <6CA3DB3680984DB0951D8503F0431E55@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: ActLo1k3DAX4995wSySTqGPuMHAkUgADp/Gg In-Reply-To: <53FB40443F7A4F00BFDBA6A0CF08A123@ELUK1> X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.4.46; VDF: 7.10.11.73) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 21:52:05 +0000 (UTC) > And so, the Steinberger. MIDI use anyone? not sure if I understand what you're asking for but I'm playing a Hohner Steinberger copy with a GK-2a on top. Or rather, because no space for a GK-2a, i taped it to the bottom of the body. I have no problem if my guitar looks clunky or like a cyborg. Anyway it works great. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 22:50:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCAEC3BE8F; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 22:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wrQcFKn+XR7BIGAYx1WKoNuD2ZXHJMtcT/TvjbiUxl8=; b=pC2tGiiR2P0u38MXbKveL0TpDiSPP1eYZwBdbQD5MCqmMdSi9QHVWTuSAEgY1+1WkK OQug/jRAaRbAbpI0vPggaoQNq4HWjTM3NpEiKCfVs4DcyHMrusIQ7c/VjkSBgu39UWIr IQ1Q5bnw+o9RQnqSd0gd7v3HibUoeiq2LDSgk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=JeQrf5PMW2FAvTagdZPptBg2eF4G24CwbDGYjexmislSYWuH5/wiLtyJ3XNngnkg5c X9/pXf294l531fItkyJEKLltBoIylZdxjz0KE8QVFjn/fG7ZOq4I+812EHeZpWBHmp9Q xgNf1p0K9uGk4edeTLKVrrnneC7Gufbm1m4CM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:49:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Preference test for pitch transposition From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 22:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi, You might be interested in helping out with this interesting research project at IRCAM. Sylvain Begin forwarded message: From: Gilles Degottex Date: 2010 September 3 6:16:44 AM EDT Subject: Preference test for pitch transposition: small variations (1/2) Reply-To: Gilles Degottex Hi all, Here is a first preference test which aim to evaluate methods which change the pitch of a given recording. This test should not take more than 10 minutes ! http://recherche.ircam.fr/anasyn/degottex/index.php?n=Main.TestDegottex2010c Thank you very much for your time ! Best regards, Gilles Degottex -- IRCAM - CNRS-UMR9912-STMS, 1 place Stravinsky, 75004 Paris Phone: 0033 6 37 51 98 31; Work: 0033 1 44 78 48 62 Fax: 0033 1 44 78 15 40 Team: www.ircam.fr/anasyn Homepage: recherche.ircam.fr/anasyn/degottex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 23:05:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 072303BE92; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 23:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=P7jlWNBX8a2Bk9MRXt9s7WJSlGZH/dES3HXHpek/B2E=; b=kG7Ghhin0uy1iAXd4KcnflkqM4lq9ib6/1fe3LQmcfYb8CNgKyfKIEjk7en7jnA1/E g3nNEU03jnIHcqnWBp8Eg3Y1UsEslWWbwTacuaWkm+EIlzdMOhaw5/NfXM3XNSqe2HTl iZudiBBeiBeyOhyF50SyY7Yf2Y7QYJ/Vz9pLE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qA+UQ73DHIfGUaadoKXUn2eEC/96u510DiW3DaNjNpXdBU0w/yjA7UbRlsrA9yroV4 O0QkdtUNHFVHozXDzUtBG9hw1Qh98iFQMnpY67WibAviwj5Nlp0KoIyRMEDfwiwzVaLK 10BqTfWYFcz1Ndag3wIBBfbO1hFKRpY0ogFU0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <626340.78315.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <626340.78315.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:05:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 23:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Yeah - I found the same problem with recording with my H2. It's excellent for direct line recordings, but you should plug it in to the HEADPHONE jack of your board (not the tape out jack) with 1/4" to 1/8" stereo cable. That way you can control the volume level feeding into the device. The H2's ability to turn down the input level really sucks. For several shows, I tried to turn down the "Recording Level" on the device. I wound up with recordings that were very quiet, but with just as much clipping. When not clipping, the recording quality is excellent - even better than the mics. I don't get any of that "air noise" that I've been used to from cassette recorders. And the most awesome advantage over minidisc? No proprietary file formats. You just pop out the SD card, plug it into your computer, and there are the .wav or .mp3 files. (Depending on how you set the device.) I'm really hoping to get the video version for "Rigs" videos. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 2:44 PM, david kirkdorffer w= rote: > I too have the H2.=A0 Rainer is spot on with this observations.=A0=A0=A0 = In my > rock-band application, this is a problem: > > =A0 2) the mic sensitivity switch has three positions. The lowest sensiti= vity > is already too sensitive when trying to record an acoustic jazz trio. > > > NOTE: with there "seems" to be an ability to attenuate the signal that yo= u > can access, it is operating on the converted digital signal AFTER the > mic/pre-amp where=A0the clipping has already happened.=A0 Drum impacts=A0= are often > the culprit for me.=A0 And the built-in compression systems are no help > either.=A0 Great for spoken word and lectures however! :-) > > So, if your sound pressure levels are less rigorous, =A0the sound quality= of > the recordings is=A0really=A0 o u t s t a n d i n g . > > So, if you work with high sound pressure levels, investigate how any sign= al > attenuation is accomplished. > > I hope that helps. > > David. > > > > > From: > "Rainer Straschill" > To: > "" > Jeff Duke schrieb: >> I am looking to replace my aging Sony 702 mini disk recorder (still >> works). Anyone have a recommendation? Budget minded so I was looking at = the >> Zoom H2. I would use it for field recordings and grabbing live gigs on t= he >> fly. After reading mixed reviews I thought to ask here for hands on >> experience. >> > I have the Zoom H2. Three things that suck: > =A0 1) no level adjustment for the line in before the converters > =A0 2) the mic sensitivity switch has three positions. The lowest sensiti= vity > is already too sensitive when trying to record an acoustic jazz trio. > =A0 3) you need to set date/time info again every time you exchange batte= ries. > > Apart from that, it works fine, really. > > So due to (2) aboove, you might have problems with the "live gig" use cas= e. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer > > -- http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 3 23:25:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3CB13BE8F; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 23:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CatLC/CxiEGT5rv3UORfzL90ahCk/rxLSSyMrm6IYs4=; b=jNXNyN7i2rZIKozAonkp2daNC1VWOHp9U9r7zVJjVGwcZtCBIBMWcQLow4Tl7owDHE ZN+/IJUYV3PE5/GIQf4mKwOk8P3g3C8qihV0s1ae10fv+j62qpPhqV1zsd/vmrB9mZYg DCmXFCg1kdbJcbyXG4a8wh/ffaRJ5ufw83kEU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=SK3Zd1h41u2WwI/ncSlOITSSAX6qmh7H+2T8HDfpUb4P0Cdd1t8Y/0X0JOQcippE4e PpxfRVBVKus4PKmma96uDlML0yBSOic8GxCziXdau9LPOyX0ZqU62ZYxgfW2l+TcWyWW wZzH+LEx4tqDrLgrBFc3Gv5x4EH8VASM2DO6o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 01:25:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 23:25:55 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca." http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests > Feedback much appreciated! Really good Ricky, enjoyed it very much! Looking forward to the rest :) -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 00:03:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F28933BE93; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 00:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=xR7AzbIdniSm/h6KusvfO52xs1KIjDv01+P/JTU/7Oo=; b=v3zWKYS1NYoaKWTY5/r1BWbpb8sDr0BrQyqXx+HngcSbEXz5sa9KropStxFmynj/83 UT08uW8IQdsKWBIDv6kDWDzYNyFvyVNfi7VIvM9x+OwcP46+JiaAFBYZ6OLXnwmC2uMi zEsLzX1aOkP+iNMVkpnirKXsR8zGuWsWpbGKo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=SgY93URPWInO3Iut8s57UjBhQmSzdVdwa/HdGvvA4Gf6Ttc2uERR/t/aMgL8PSTB+g dAkNXNYMpjwq/NEsLT5Yi1KI1UCWhNMMkHQMyjDE4RISDxHMHKs3CRfToNtLX7zyfriZ cCoI8cLPkI6kCn0DGgR5NQnfpmjdmNKhLb9d8= Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-308746177 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 17:03:44 -0700 References: <626340.78315.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 00:03:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-308746177 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sep 3, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > The H2's ability to turn down the input level really sucks. For > several shows, I tried to turn down the "Recording Level" on the > device. I wound up with recordings that were very quiet, but with just > as much clipping. The Zoom H4 has a limiter setting as part of the software. When activated, I can put the mic sensitivity switch at the middle setting, and place the H4 right next to the amp speaker at fairly strong volume and get quite decent recording with no clipping at all. I'm surprised they removed that option for the H2. I just sprung for the Zoom H1, thought it might be good for a bit of traveling I have to do. Low budget so I don't have to baby it. Might tend to have the same issue as the H2, not much range of control for adjusting sensitivity and levels. Maybe for many situations mic sensitivity needs to be set low, then adjust the recording level to 75% or so and expect to have to add gain later to the recorded file. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego --Apple-Mail-2-308746177 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sep 3, 2010, = at 4:05 PM, Matt Davignon wrote:

The H2's = ability to turn down the input level really sucks. For
several shows, = I tried to turn down the "Recording Level" on the
device. I wound up = with recordings that were very quiet, but with just
as much = clipping.



= The Zoom H4 has a limiter setting as part of the = software. 
When activated, I can put the mic sensitivity = switch at the middle setting, and place the H4 right next to the amp = speaker at fairly strong volume and get quite decent recording with no = clipping at all.
I'm surprised they  removed that option = for the H2.

I just sprung for the Zoom H1, = thought it might be good for a bit of traveling I have to do. Low budget = so I don't have to baby it. Might tend to have the same issue as the H2, = not much range of control for adjusting sensitivity and = levels. 

Maybe for many situations mic = sensitivity needs to be set low, then adjust the recording level to 75% = or so and expect to have to add gain later to the recorded = file.


regards

=
BobC



= --Apple-Mail-2-308746177-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 00:51:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1068E3BE8F; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 00:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C819829.5040209@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:51:53 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Macintosh/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 00:51:57 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, September 4 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. 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I hope =0Ato post re= cordings of your environment, sound art, home made instruments and =0Aothe= r audio oddities. In particular, I am looking for the unique. There will b= e =0Ano compensation for these submissions but hopefully some satisfaction= in =0Asharing.=0A=0A=0A=0ASOUND WORKS ARE PRESENTED IN THE FOLLOWING CATEG= ORIES=0A=0AARCHIVAL RECORDINGS: Old vinyl snippets and other bits of sound = history=0A=0AFIELD RECORDINGS: Recordings taken from the natural environmen= t with minimal =0Astudio processing.=0A=0AUNUSUAL INSTRUMENTS & GEAR: Recor= dings from unique electronic and acoustic =0Ainstruments.=0A=0APERFORMANCE:= Excerpts from live sound art performances.=0A=0APROCESS: Sound art composi= tions with interesting source material and studio =0Aprocessing.=0A=0ASOUND= ODDITIES: Uncategorized interesting sound phenomena.=0A=0ATo contribute pl= ease email me these three items:=0A=0A1. 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=0A=0A --0-1872061684-1283561951=:75579-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 01:21:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8C043BE94; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 01:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5C9D60679C564CE3A81A28477AF27D83@ELUK1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20100903131848.RY1WF.10783950.root@mp07><53FB40443F7A4F00BFDBA6A0CF08A123@ELUK1> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Steinberger? Opinions? Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 02:20:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB4BD7.CF8B5D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 01:21:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB4BD7.CF8B5D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ouch! Pricey! From: Tony K=20 If you are looking at built in MIDI, see if you can find someone who = carries Brian Moore iGuitars. I have one and I like it a lot. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Stephen Goodman = wrote: Hi Folks, Another query from here: I decided not to go with one of Brian May's = great guitars as they don't sound like something you could play softly = without heavy processing... and also because I'm interested in some MIDI = on the next guitar. And so, the Steinberger. I understand the original = ones had the graphite-wood construction and the recent Spirits are all = Maple. Beyond that I have yet to find too many London guitar shops to = go try one out - but I'm curious as to your opinions regarding this axe. = MIDI use anyone? Or am I wasting my efforts on the unit? The opinions of this happy/scrappy group are as usual more than = appreciated. Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net http://www.earthlight.tv * Sent from a PC, not an iPhone=20 --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D-=20 Tony ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB4BD7.CF8B5D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ouch! Pricey!

From: Tony K

If you are looking at built in MIDI, see if you can find = someone=20 who carries Brian Moore iGuitars.  I have one and I like it a = lot.

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Stephen Goodman = <spgoodman@earthlight.net>= =20 wrote:
Hi Folks,

Another query from here: I decided = not to=20 go with one of Brian May's great guitars as they don't sound like = something=20 you could play softly without heavy processing... and also because I'm = interested in some MIDI on the next guitar.  And so, the = Steinberger.=20  I understand the original ones had the graphite-wood = construction and=20 the recent Spirits are all Maple.  Beyond that I have yet to find = too=20 many London guitar shops to go try one out - but I'm curious as to = your=20 opinions regarding this axe.  MIDI use anyone?  Or am I = wasting my=20 efforts on the unit?

The opinions of this happy/scrappy group = are as=20 usual more than appreciated.

Stephen=20 Goodman
EarthLight Productions
*
http://www.earthlight.net
http://www.earthlight.tv
*
Sent from a PC, = not an=20 iPhone



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Tony
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB4BD7.CF8B5D20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 02:03:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EF763BE95; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 02:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <040d01cb4bd5$c49dbc20$925d0418@vulcan> From: "d.nix" To: References: <001001cb4b88$89062d70$2d7b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Subject: Re: portable audio recorders Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:06:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 02:03:33 +0000 (UTC) I love my H2 as a field recorder/documentary device; we record every rehearsal with my band... money wise, it's the most bang for the buck I run into in a while... Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Duke" To: Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:53 AM Subject: OT: portable audio recorders I am looking to replace my aging Sony 702 mini disk recorder (still works). Anyone have a recommendation? Budget minded so I was looking at the Zoom H2. I would use it for field recordings and grabbing live gigs on the fly. After reading mixed reviews I thought to ask here for hands on experience. best, Jeff http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ http://www.vimeo.com/jeffduke http://livestream.com/jeffdukelive http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace http://usit.bandcamp.com/ http://digitsignal.bandcamp.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 02:25:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 665173BE93; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 02:25:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <044a01cb4bd8$e13ecec0$925d0418@vulcan> From: "d.nix" To: References: <626340.78315.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: portable audio recorders Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:28:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 02:25:49 +0000 (UTC) I record my progressive/post-rock/post-metal band with and H2 and we are anything but quiet... Ampeg SVT with 1x15 and 2x10 cabs, Marshall 100 watt head and two 4x10 cabs and a ham fisted animal drummer that worships John Bonham. It works just fine. I keep it on the Low sensitivity setting and drop the input volume to 75 from the default of 100. I use none of the internal compression schemes... Occasionally a drum or cymbal spike will cause it to clip, but that is very rare. Once I got these settings figured out it's been 'set it and forget it' - I have a permanent mount in our rehersal room and I use the ac power adapter all the time. For documenting rehersals it's a godsend, and for working out song parts, riffs, etc at home to send to others, it's fidelity is awesome when you can devote a little set up time for good placement and what not. The internal mikes are really good, the results were better with them live in the room than when we tried close miking and mixing and then feeding the line in... I could not pad the signal down enough to not clip, and decided the live in the room wide-field (front and back) stereo pairs were more realistic for judging how we really sound. I love my H2. ----- Original Message ----- From: "david kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 2:44 PM Subject: OT: portable audio recorders I too have the H2. Rainer is spot on with this observations. In my rock-band application, this is a problem: 2) the mic sensitivity switch has three positions. The lowest sensitivity is already too sensitive when trying to record an acoustic jazz trio. NOTE: with there "seems" to be an ability to attenuate the signal that you can access, it is operating on the converted digital signal AFTER the mic/pre-amp where the clipping has already happened. Drum impacts are often the culprit for me. And the built-in compression systems are no help either. Great for spoken word and lectures however! :-) So, if your sound pressure levels are less rigorous, the sound quality of the recordings is really o u t s t a n d i n g . So, if you work with high sound pressure levels, investigate how any signal attenuation is accomplished. I hope that helps. David. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 04:56:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42DE63BE93; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 04:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6Xk6jNpWWRw2yfEsA8dq6nEwhmb77Jruvk1O2buNGEc=; b=KVmL0v9PfmK7lmIwyUwdOMbKS8Cuz/rioo0TCQ0AK0wzqkaQTP1+TCH6DD/Xc6+M5v For9lqlJOEsNntMSiOr6ProwNo7anGId6eVQzGtIwUjVm4R+dmjxHUyd9cPNcT2fzaV9 x+/lqlxZFITzQDzaS00uJU9tTv0lIHOl+cdRo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=WZ8xeX/nMZGbKML71LU4CEs9kvfMthFi2fSK0L5aAUL46D9lTHJNoiP1mOWBIC1WCE zOMHYCx8gXLMWGZGRJcYLuYuen3yVwmkc1xc8KTd9dSJYK/qrJraszj3Cp7OqeD98LwQ pown5OslrWTJWlu7ad/o53sMCSmyNq95Tlw3s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 23:56:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 04:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Sjaak! On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote: > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: >> Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca." http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests >> Feedback much appreciated! > > Really good Ricky, enjoyed it very much! Looking forward to the rest :) > > -- > Sjaak Overgaauw > http://premonitionfactory.com/ > http://livelooping.be/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 05:41:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71CF53BE8F; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 05:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DrFztaahI6kgeRnosfusFWryZytKdwCQ9YUnzeOFpb0=; b=IGLEyGdnYaPL9MZ7GB3q+oiWsNN1+j4lplX2jOKbncgtTbH1GVwlwTqWgfjTxlEfU2 lq7ZSWOAiIJbudG2hV+xi11/BVXLJrERJlZxzMlflAkWiwp1Xuy48+kQiw8NMo3zUEmy IwZVz++ArVX2WZ4PC2BxJ4Y7wVy+Dbtalmv9U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Z/PlbaAvL3GaXvWRMp0D+Ccedpds+Ano2wHJi1jcx339gM1odEKfaTmZb5jsd8VSlX U+u5BkUk4QMO48ROPd+7wCJbwvSqMu+zk21uSeBz+Zo1PL3SgEScv/KFQX0rNRQVr+l9 IA0d8iL0WDYA5ltJ9TyIbnnwAZX3m9Vvy3v4c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <546494.75579.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <546494.75579.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 00:41:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sound is Art: Seeking Submissions From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <5aL3rD.A.W1B.MwdgMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 05:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Sent you an email, Margaret. I think my project fits a few categories fairly well. I'll look forward to hearing your response. Ricky On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 7:59 PM, margaret noble wrote: > I am eager for a new exciting sounds to populate my growing blog, Sound i= s > Art. > > http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart > > > With 500+ subscribers, it is a great place to share your work be heard! I > hope to post recordings of your environment, sound art, home made > instruments and other audio oddities. In particular, I am looking for the > unique. There will be no compensation for these submissions but hopefully > some satisfaction in sharing. > > SOUND WORKS ARE PRESENTED IN THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES > > ARCHIVAL RECORDINGS: Old vinyl snippets and other bits of sound history > > FIELD RECORDINGS: Recordings taken from the natural environment with mini= mal > studio processing. > > UNUSUAL INSTRUMENTS & GEAR: Recordings from unique electronic and acousti= c > instruments. > > PERFORMANCE: Excerpts from live sound art performances. > > PROCESS: Sound art compositions with interesting source material and stud= io > processing. > > SOUND ODDITIES: Uncategorized interesting sound phenomena. > > To contribute please email me these three items: > > 1. A description, written in your email body, about the process, content > and/or other details regarding the recording. > > 2. An mp3 sound clip. > > 3. A high quality jpeg (150 by 150 pixels) that is depictive of your > sound(s) in some way. If you have supplemental photos, you can send those > too (but extra images are not required). > > Please email to: margaretnoble2000@yahoo.com > > I will do my best to honor all submissions that fit the above criterion. > Submit as many times as you like and please do not fret if I don=92t get = back > to you right away, I will! > > > THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Margaret Noble > http://margaretnoble.net > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 09:06:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 038E23BE97; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 09:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=aPYkCmpOxwBQB69uFRzQ4YzcuL8zHMRDf3TgQdUi6Fo=; b=iK52Qw6dXVxtB/KaSG+vNylvyWgFe92ONqMuDkeCcxqEXLL/tI6lFkBQpADpErizGd yhXv+YAOr386SkE9j7cIh0Pom1398nWihbkTrauroTTNzo1Jx4/eUdOtgNCdZP8vwo8p /aEI/39ul2IbapEdVRYszJ4PIXUWEWz8pQjYo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=dBLpAVmRN3RdyFsEnSkfMyFzUxsHKQEZo9i0UPL3sdmxGdvvBxSndpVmIdcwVqpzOt ME2YF/D0u9e+xqEPWUxtFOgcYXZ/Iw7Y007tdDuNBsKH1vUn+Y8XausqTFycgtnxSeu6 qQL6HflRxjIbk/jktQ9xaPRp78PG8ErlMppWA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C813314.5050902@googlemail.com> References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C813314.5050902@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:06:31 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: jQmczPI9IH9AK3w593fNjv6G34U Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b7f522c9f66048f6b5eda Resent-Message-ID: <9HwQZB.A.tUF.rwggMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 09:06:51 +0000 (UTC) --0016363b7f522c9f66048f6b5eda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rainer said > One thing you can use when going troubleshooting is those level meters you > have at various positions in Live. In that example shot, you have: > a) the meter next to the "All Channels" text on your "keys" track - this > is what comes into the input interface for that track. > b) a meter on the left side of your piano synth - this is the MIDI data > that goes into the plugin (not necessarily processed by it, though) > c) a meter on the right side of the synth - that's the audio going out > Actually lookng at these was quite useful, I managed to figure out that there WAS midi getting all the way thru all plugins... Then I remembered... you said... Then you need to check that the track the synth is on is selected for recording or for monitoring - I guess you already know that, just to be sure... and i said... Actually not really... no checking if I see what you mean here... I dont RECORD at all yet in Abelton, so I have no understanding of it in that mode. So I investigated THAT.. and sure enough, it works AS EXPECTED, IF I use the tiny ARM SESSION buttons to select the channel. What I dont undrstand, is that previously I did have it working where I dont HAVE to select that tiny button, but could just move focus (using crsow keys if I wanted) onto the next channel... The reason I remember this was the case, is that I once had fun, soloing woth the right hand on my keyboard while using the left to swich back and forth between sounds, and getting quite a cool patch changing effect... So... Im still a bit in the dark... but... at least its working.. -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016363b7f522c9f66048f6b5eda Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rainer said
One thing you can use when going troubleshooting is those level meters you = have at various positions in Live. In that example shot, you have:
=A0 a) the meter next to the "All Channels" text on your "k= eys" track - this is what comes into the input interface for that trac= k.
=A0 b) a meter on the left side of your piano synth - this is the MIDI dat= a that goes into the plugin (not necessarily processed by it, though)
=A0 c) a meter on the right side of the synth - that's the audio going= out

Actually lookng at these was quite useful, I = managed to figure out that there WAS midi getting all the way thru all plug= ins...


Then I remembered...
you said...
=A0Then you need to check th= at the track the synth is on is selected for=20 recording or for monitoring - I guess you already know that, just to be=20 sure...
and i said...
Actually= not=20 really... no checking if I see what you mean here... I dont RECORD at=20 all yet in Abelton, so I have no understanding of it in that mode.
So I investigated THAT.. and sure enough, it works AS EXPECTED, IF I = use the tiny ARM SESSION buttons to select the channel.

What I dont = undrstand, is that previously I did have it working where I dont HAVE to se= lect that tiny button, but could just move focus (using crsow keys if I wan= ted) onto the next channel...
The reason I remember this was the case, is that I once had fun, soloing wo= th the right hand on my keyboard while using the left to swich back and for= th between sounds, and getting quite a cool patch changing effect...

So... Im still a bit in the dark... but... at least its working..
<= br>
--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vi= meo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.= no
--0016363b7f522c9f66048f6b5eda-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 13:21:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC7643BE8F; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 13:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7yQun9Cx2J7Q4apblJNBi9XRlBdkgsxv+RQI/9HgUVo=; b=iSUCwHoJVopd2AY1Vt1GadfnHzbDKslMAodFiVGPbB3cHAghZVEEZHdahF/nf9AW0b /CcS7bl7JnhxJKdi5u6sRTeyRsp3zRIOwFZjQ5rvE07GpiCCYCAix5/g1hSera8qRu2Y 2kviYV9OJ/SBR8a242PmjRXWB87in91QO3DFY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=n0ylUX94NxHqgeb1WAgZtkp8PY3b/cmQLq9Px/6IQh2ZXsmKUsEyB+9MJO+TOKxZmn u6c8A529mGcISPQhIHvXbG2AqJsGN01w2onTz56U03VpIK6PZekzaa7t7vCQnUO3fCv5 b+Wc/7Nznl2aywwu5GwkzYnv233WxCtIPb6qw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 15:21:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: silent switches From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e88782779b6ab048f6eee6b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 13:21:57 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e88782779b6ab048f6eee6b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hi gang, ive been testing the new jamman stereo looper,not bad really,it can be quite interesting combined with the M9 the one thing i dont like about it is the switches they are terribly loud! do you think it would be easy to replace them with more silent switches or a complicated task? anybody ever replaced switches on digitech pedals?what kind of switches would you suggest? actually the ones on the Digitech FS 300 footswitcher are really nice and quite they should have put those on! thanx Luis --e0cb4e88782779b6ab048f6eee6b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi gang,
ive been testing the new jamman stereo looper,not bad really,it= can be quite interesting combined with the M9
the one thing i dont like= about it is the switches they are terribly loud! do you think it would be = easy to replace them with more silent switches or a complicated task? anybo= dy ever replaced switches on digitech pedals?what kind of switches would yo= u suggest?
actually the ones on the Digitech FS 300 footswitcher are really nice and q= uite they should have put those on!
thanx
Luis
--e0cb4e88782779b6ab048f6eee6b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 15:12:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 821A93BE8C; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 15:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 67514.81410.bm@omp306.mail.re3.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283613170; bh=KdULz/r0lT0DuBniMOp8hSg6FSvPUYOW2Xq6AOggfUo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kw+OmpGsKMGA0nAfOyCaRtz247Qy28hhCdJ3x2/rD45E0A2yl3xd8vCt7KkFUEiuMCGQpbNAtJKluZ10EX+uGcahZSffUW0v+xcqvD+uFshv1znKv6icTW5AfpFYBSMSSZ2oRgnwY64kkXenpeoLUXEXME04+ejN9MONaHpThMs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ez8aoVr1/t0yUrAZDaP7ATBklEnQhEOQFY2+hq4k9Wk1Nbl+d3xu3SyKmCWt4/VXl9YgtizVs6uissp1mw17CrmDqnafIK/8R7dyXxFjtQsv78sTGeb2r4gOkrtTFF5Rzk9Bb2gT3JQ6cVoxA9AQ7xzp7vjDdz/4/rXDf8A4q8c=; Message-ID: <945919.38394.qm@web56505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WKJm5QcVM1lXU2SmAw8QcUj9ZHV0T8JjOrxu3ycRRee25WT JqngqGGS6X5JmXv6Ums2HRDDNspl1IkhtXCsbzpLwmFJ1CXuWGvcW.Pj.EaD LsFfDbR4K6CXpv3fTTEyXRAHQa1QT1het2VslOT3EHu_f0T.WUoCrM3HVOGj 6e1aO1iqF8a3C0vQUP0dwr_jvkhK3h_3zCE28Cbnx.vK1pDSspwOiBxvHjC2 dk7AklfTgsfpIwHePv_5e.ykDSTKunv1tdghcwFM3DbsXkrDK0TK7Hm61ieE 7qmLt7tOXd_ih7Rtwhu.PBRrRWkf6dKynJZTFpZbuIrl.Sv.24JDvXA6skwd ZQuOnEUjz1DvIsv7KzeCfhLPAbzpuK625toQS3BcU X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 08:12:50 -0700 (PDT) From: KalimbaMan Subject: Re: OT- new video clip To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 15:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Hey Luis, thanks for the kind word. I've had the RC-50 for about 2 months now although I've wanted one for quite sometime. About 2 years ago I got a chance to demo the RC-50 and liked it ever since. Having the ability to utilize 3 loops in sync or independently is perfect for my approach to looping and live performance. Take care my friend, -Kev On Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 6:35 AM EDT Louie Angulo wrote: >great suff bro,gear no object,is what u do with it but you gotta like n feel >comfortable with it >since when do you use the loop station? is your digitech Jaman under the >ground now? >cheers >Luis > >On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:53 AM, KalimbaMan wrote: > >> Thanks Jeff! 2880's rule :) >> >> On Tue Aug 31st, 2010 7:30 PM EDT Jeff Duke wrote: >> >> >Excellent Kevin! Freaked me out when the vocoder came in, :) RC 50? no >> worries, some belittle my 2880 also, lol. Good job! >> > >> >Jeff >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- From: >> >To: "Loopers Delight" >> >Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:00 PM >> >Subject: OT- new video clip >> > >> > >> >> Hey Everyone, In the spirit of looping, I wanted to share with you a >> video clip called "Kalimba Vocoder" that we just posted last night >> >> (although I'm aware of how you feel about the loop station I'm using in >> the video :) >> >> >> >> Thanks, -Kev >> >> >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 15:19:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 998333BE92; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 15:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <546494.75579.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Sound is Art: Seeking Submissions Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 11:19:09 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.240.103.122 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32447-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD1A5BA805F40A-1F28-EFF2@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 15:19:17 +0000 (UTC) http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart margaret.....this is wonderful! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 15:20:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A03343BE8F; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 15:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 172344.33998.bm@omp306.mail.re3.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283613652; bh=4V3DMIpNoMTZk0vW0V56Hy87u0PmPT/zyS0XkEMZdEQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dvXB04UdTt+atgkELhwZB+lK86pU4i4INgLwGrcXU2+RbvlasO4pbJcL2JmADjvZ2FVr9Cqp5YCuYS0bZwts81NbTTossZYHXGOJ29vj9AsiIfws7+1ItsvoS/UcJEr4CrDDN0RkmfDuHdVin6bC35AJmmA7ezwNudSeQ3Vpej4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aBJ+ANgRcvpY21duP0DTE/ui/nxgBX5bnpkinhKTOhWnoWH3bHWKJJddHYOGRMYhtI6abNOmP/E1n2rwueMhn595kYYc/tyv77wtZo1hHL0PemOjlnhYNY7iDXWA6Hby09Eutjlzo02d5YVgtNmFCkUGRXeM8LsqO6Aot6Zd/V4=; Message-ID: <959917.64081.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: GKB3.0cVM1kbh7OLU9nInvVONdHYLG26xLUpCnnh5P9ygL8 CcpRyN5CP0l_SqpTtHaapjlhrCEPoaPtpc9KBvmiEKpT_gjmzxR0ZwjlcLXI 8lfpKhrA5LM_c9BaD6HBxYnZSRkvsDGS8wh3rbOHXwh2Z_hSev8ltfY8y43Y HYt21YLxM.ld_6Du4.XYZ_8NLSsWDL1qHlnoUOQnUB6gGjH3f0drYpx687A. WtlbOHSFIHN0KoJ1Uwexc3EqFFZuQrRRXa1bfHBc9_m6MGF2QDHpnMA6PUvP d7EC6RYry657qnSPJpvXHbOb0qburCTHN0CLKgJ32JXWnpXSumABNIMWge40 - X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 08:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: KalimbaMan Subject: Re: OT- new video clip To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6lrdNC.A.2QE.VPmgMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 15:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Kevin That's a cool name :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 15:21:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDFA83BE97; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 15:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 265084.45999.bm@omp303.mail.re3.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283613667; bh=0+6H/0Fa46ia1Vnez0BGNJLwvRPAweWmBvhgOgQ4cV0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w0gvcbrDrpKtjG1gug7ut+Gn2yV1chBjFV7lPUGHeq3GthSbXGqIXF/xI/ujbab/vVIX8RxymyooXeHfgVDUaIWYlS5UEFoHRDyFfQBLpwDEdlof4tK9XXK47p2+tSyXhIJBPoTKeYknwmJrCjR8ye8QXa939f1RyMUtF9qQ3Fo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2yLoxZBOhTo6aRBzzYKQHziwXSiJwvJYOa2UYXlCqOh3v0F/ZauSq9oZeq/CCt6P09taTxkQtyj/LXF4hoDZRRxdBGakcPho4h6E0RG+s46zHwiGWGO4WIO6TUAXyn17R5fWxCIqb/5TCspltfYX7U2Z9amBF6ZURK+/7Hx8Yjc=; Message-ID: <70192.90546.qm@web56504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YR0SkPYVM1laS8HQCLSt9HMpdzbxtQd_.SN0uEpczHCR0.l Mjz0smrJpWLADnf7KgLTpMrI48ZVXcHqikwINOJ38azPRSJtdytyhJydaU6K eSAWlCjFRtKmY0VtvInVEwr5kfWD205vrWAfWi.9fSoFa7_duFMeY2ZPi56Y JTkvrwgUxzviC0yNXCT5NPEKD6iQ_myhN9.3av0VLQrTGMoiOcILQuh2he9M OK9V3sth33cyyPdAr3wKhfxXLPjdISgzGQ1_W74eR9flJG3rG.YzhvdWmcdX LBtmuKy3xsCK87OLK2IxP5Cw32.gA1zg- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 08:21:07 -0700 (PDT) From: KalimbaMan Subject: Re: OT- new video clip To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9Vz1qC.A.XTE.jPmgMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 15:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Kevin! That's a cool name :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 16:30:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 927793BE90; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 16:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=pM/sAAeB01Ic0VlqTRjWLep8bBK6rv1iGFsnX6nDQC4=; b=oOLwyY5b65RdDuXPD7bd4eDuEP9JbvA8las3AUFk6xI8oDmEm9rVs4PegMGv39EfHY LrZnY0KTBu86ket9W5CtwFgfGrRgMYkWwa99ZRBmMto8FsXWnZ25X8gzXgSBZ7WJhD4u xmuudzGCLChh/sp7EpSN2bI8ct3GXSJ4df6qY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=kHqENxkkgc6OWIZfTWH8TM7l/RJiqFDvUoSLYopMVOqdm14CCXxKaTp79V8o7IW4/1 sP/Q0CF0QW+hSQTBvhrW4L8iyHIsltGOxypvPSpT4G6sFdVL8ZF1zTTqgcFDYw/gt6U9 54ruF6ASR70TktG355KgyxH8h5l9YAclUipjc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 12:30:40 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bmCMLSzgowHJP9MaIgxQRZyhy68 Message-ID: Subject: Podcasts? From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d6441c6c62d7048f71913a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 16:30:51 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d6441c6c62d7048f71913a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > Those of you with podcasts, how about making it easy for me (there must be others who prefer podcast format) to listen to you and post links in this thread? Thanks! -- Warren http://www.warrensirota.com CD: Loops, Live & Otw http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota --0016e6d6441c6c62d7048f71913a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Those of you with podcasts, how about making it easy for me (there must be others who prefer podcast format) to listen to you and post links in this thread? Thanks!


--
Warren
http://www.warrensirota.com
CD: Loops, Live & Otw
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota
--0016e6d6441c6c62d7048f71913a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 17:01:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 711663BE8F; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sat, 04 Sep 2010 17:01:11 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_840e05b8-4bd8-48b4-9ff1-8b8b4abe91d6_" X-Originating-IP: [24.21.162.195] From: Jeremy devros To: Subject: RE: OT: Mecca Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 09:56:10 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2010 16:56:10.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[13430660:01CB4C52] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:01:11 +0000 (UTC) --_840e05b8-4bd8-48b4-9ff1-8b8b4abe91d6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mecca! Very sweet. When is the official release? J.D. deafrose58 Date: Fri=2C 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500 Subject: OT: Mecca From: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sneak peak of title track=2C "Mecca." http://www.myspace.com/signalsunderte= sts=20 Feedback much appreciated! Ricky = --_840e05b8-4bd8-48b4-9ff1-8b8b4abe91d6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mecca! Very sweet. When is the official release?
J.D.

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Date: Fri=2C 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500
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From: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com
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Sneak peak of title track=2C "Mecca." http://www.= myspace.com/signalsundertests

Feedback much appreciated!
Ricky
= --_840e05b8-4bd8-48b4-9ff1-8b8b4abe91d6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 17:18:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCD0A3BE8E; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283620703; bh=HLnXM5EXnDGKgIR+xba5WutEb9uOX2JyzIpAWInbF/4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Npx5ZjXPiErBv9rD38bUT9NAjGvu0uYAlGy/K0+bNv7b+DWbNN2RWDA2ExPxp7AtuQzmqU1BEej3voZJHMmIyVJRTscdRs1+JEEaP69pTcpg91iSIdIDe6P5rkK9/vP73Dv9Zf4WF7IMjn0RSw0nIqcLF+WMX4dd6myKNNIP1gg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vzPyuwaPvaiPp6SXkXOpjSvJ5qIHAmkYMCgSQbcuk9JWdXj75Dy0A1qspoIWpluYnTiOJp1ynSDviDKMWPCKqQgp7ifwvfVIqbYv/XdaqPAczhD7kZQ+xf2XarBW3FaXCDilR1lkIEOXbbxCdE9KmNIOcbre0UR0pGb3Xj+FuMI=; Message-ID: <69580.17175.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: yTYr9SAVM1nNb93UkvKIwr49ajpycW7XhZuXAH5mthlbSDS P9GCQ4_2Bz3XgtFWUX0tq2QbqOvoPIM7LAavgcAZZtHC9m3A0kMgyFHytQr6 93tYMzgsYapse09vyY_NTqoDxJvN1vAUU_kIraS5A_1n95m3saEZ6fvUxFwI 36etFiwk2U7rBNM54SrJO81Pn6MKTupsWBUAw5NckzQaPudEoO8pX1EMSt9M Hq6jQg3gcl41P9LjDa9QS2bnQONB56HSSjfTvYVK3fHfsLF8oH4hoiCSMym6 8RYlktW5XbV0TNqrc2vT0tgVC3dqRzSh8ldBNVoZSlT0z3QmnP0B0cjxX33G hn3WOKonbY9Mv7xSWfOXOD.rPq98icuFjBaMN3w-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <546494.75579.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CD1A5BA805F40A-1F28-EFF2@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 10:18:22 -0700 (PDT) From: margaret noble Subject: Re: Sound is Art: Seeking Submissions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8CD1A5BA805F40A-1F28-EFF2@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-142352897-1283620702=:17175" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:18:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-142352897-1283620702=:17175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you so much. Please share sounds and spread the word :-) Margaret Noble http://margaretnoble.net ________________________________ From: "nemoguitt@aol.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 8:19:09 AM Subject: Re: Sound is Art: Seeking Submissions http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart margaret.....this is wonderful! --0-142352897-1283620702=:17175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thank you so much. Please share sounds and spread the word :-)
 


Margaret Noble
http://margaretnoble.net
 




From: "nemoguitt@aol.com" <nemoguitt@aol.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 8:19:09 AM
Subject: Re: Sound is Art: Seeking Submissions


http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart


margaret.....this is wonderful!


--0-142352897-1283620702=:17175-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 17:36:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC9CF3BE8D; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:36:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C82838F.6070300@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 13:36:15 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Macintosh/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for September 4, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:36:19 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2010/100904.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EDT/GMT-4 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #181 September 4, 2010. On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music magazine. Each contemporary issue comes with a CD. However, the early issues came with a cassette. The cassettes from issues one through thirteen have been remastered and are now available on CDR in plastic slip covers with artwork and track details. Details are at: http://sequencesmagazine.com I played music by Modulator ESP who will play at the Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, September 5, a t 8:00 pm and also at the electro-music festival which takes place on September 10 - 12. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Mystified Dark Transition Passing Through the Outer Gates (First Fallen Star) Modulator ESP Part One * New Horizons (none) VA [Vasudeva] Lourdata Waves Sequences No. 11 VA [Rudolf Heimann] Little Girls Won't Sequences No. 11 Understand VA [Christoph Kranig]Destination Heavenn Sequences No. 11 VA [Modulator ESP] Broken Orbits Awakenings 2008 Volume 1 (AmbientLive) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Acoustic Ocean Night Flight Heart Strings (none) Helen Jane Long Embers Embers (BLE Music Group) Helen Jane Long One Day Embers (BLE Music Group) Steven C. First Light Heart Strings (none) Steven C. Grace Heart Strings (none) vid Lanz Rain Eight Days A Liverpool (Moon Boy Music) Week Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Nathan Mahl De Praestigiis Heretik Volume II 0 The Trial Daemonum (none) The Muffins The Adventures of Manna/Mirage (Cuneiform) Captain Boomerang * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. 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To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ======================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 17:43:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71CEA3BE8F; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C828547.2030205@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 13:43:35 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Macintosh/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Chez Mosc Today Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Saturday nights at 6:00 pm EDT/UTC-4, join Twyndyllyngs (Howard Moscovitz and me) in our weekly netcast concert. With guitar, slide guitar, and Lots of synthesizers at hand, we weave electronic soundscapes on-line for world wide enjoyment. Listen and chat at: http://radio.electro-music.com Guest musicians are welcomed. This week, Modulator ESP (Jez Creek) will join us. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 17:54:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7B083BE8E; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JTQyJIuIxbi8qxIhNvWTrjvrsn8X+Vl5gk8jjZ7hwz8=; b=noGRO4j8erGybG3qS0p1hgl/6Q37ZeMySVv/HE4PCbbWlh7fijcW8+5opDsOux5gYW H6w5RQUHC5K3KC7lPreJ9qdjTc7CXjf0CT11U346h0UMjRK5gS0lftZIeYDX01CmfGfE NStEGZCMOtVtiMnbDNgBZscPiWjYCJMKE9oVU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=CbdPQMbfuecMzEUIAhD8LJ2dnTkdw9zAOtKB1bdrWJ/4FNErVQ5EkYk4df4VPlI4Aj 8ETpQOFdhqVE8me9Wtf+dfSCZkwsMwJyiJbYDUJAVN5RLBEEKaLr0fW72vRvUJx15m0p v+6w9HWxph0u/7Ly6/4O2LZdGLS2Kt2L+MxWI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 12:54:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeremy, We're looking at a release date around the end of September at the moment. The release will be available digitally and on CD. Thanks for the kind words. Ricky On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jeremy devros wrote: > Mecca! Very sweet. When is the official release? > J.D. > > deafrose58 > > ________________________________ > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500 > Subject: OT: Mecca > From: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca." http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests > > Feedback much appreciated! > > Ricky > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 4 18:01:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8D9D3BE8F; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 18:01:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/RUWKVT4N8YmnRy+aqLB8b8FbvE9WnFgmviBeuCdzW8=; b=FByYhgmkhMWrCWnOIOq7tT4POWQICfHVxLeBtynAnDi/s0vK4RdxxEqdATB/vo3g7t OvkW6hpE+e/cJg3T016MBsarIFjr6lXPTEnzulFwHf3tiVQTqwVXlUYJk9OStNTIxGEn DcLsOt7ck3mCfMBsZFRW8KHJz9JojwyoanLNs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=wUNUDjad9O17aQUDXEXjU9nWfJK/yfJzWZFoF6JH+Y48kfh3Y5xTy9pMhxxJS4KL/M EUDK2YOqnBa+qxFu4SZwIxoXbmbffpVaKI68j58YmGAbrIJUHXjh4OPynboiIXGT8dbK k9UcoW7vIKQKJtU6CImXN3T1Dbd7d14CCLAOg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 13:01:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 18:01:09 +0000 (UTC) And when I say digitally, I mean Wav, Mp3, Flac via the usual online distributors/bandcamp etc. as well as a tangible disc :-) I need some caffeine, me thinks. Ricky On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Hi Jeremy, > > We're looking at a release date around the end of September at the > moment. The release will be available digitally and on CD. Thanks for > the kind words. > > Ricky > > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jeremy devros wrote: >> Mecca! Very sweet. When is the official release? >> J.D. >> >> deafrose58 >> >> ________________________________ >> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500 >> Subject: OT: Mecca >> From: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca." http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests >> >> Feedback much appreciated! >> >> Ricky >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 00:40:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D0D73BE89; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 00:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1283647228; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=MEVOdyIsiTW8/HO43hZbDLg1O04=; b=MSB11zv7xVAdXQM/96uZmNmbzjjMn1RhQbIXy5bFcQgXFRvN70uEijmGSs7h74yz CNxah1k8MPa4Jm3Sqo8zhxPymo/hjZTc3StTqUTCDE0VmYqx4xn4tcA67GuY5sil; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=KrcFizPo0Ecmcy0GolTWLFrfIH1QHXp7Dgf/1Vlt1Pg= c=1 sm=0 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=O8tBp3qsm6Mkxkn4j2bHZg==:17 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=uGVPFrsMd0htL-LNKhkA:9 a=uChjrveq1Lk9WtTN1jQA:7 a=THt4KdEXKYajl3o1i5513HedDqYA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=O8tBp3qsm6Mkxkn4j2bHZg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000801cb4c92$ee845fe0$5a7c3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <626340.78315.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <044a01cb4bd8$e13ecec0$925d0418@vulcan> Subject: Re: portable audio recorders Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 20:40:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100904-0, 09/04/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 00:40:29 +0000 (UTC) I appreciate all the replies. I think I need something with more control over input levels, I have never had good luck with auto level and preset schemes. I am glad I asked, I will keep my eyes open. Prices are still pretty high. Maybe my old Sharp 702 MD will go a bit longer. It is one thing I have bought that I truly have gotten my moneys worth from. thanks, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "d.nix" To: Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:28 PM Subject: Re: portable audio recorders >I record my progressive/post-rock/post-metal band with and H2 and we are > anything but quiet... Ampeg SVT with 1x15 and 2x10 cabs, Marshall 100 watt > head and two 4x10 cabs and a ham fisted animal drummer that worships John > Bonham. It works just fine. I keep it on the Low sensitivity setting and > drop the input volume to 75 from the default of 100. I use none of the > internal compression schemes... Occasionally a drum or cymbal spike will > cause it to clip, but that is very rare. >snip > > I love my H2. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david kirkdorffer" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 2:44 PM > Subject: OT: portable audio recorders > > > I too have the H2. Rainer is spot on with this observations. In my > rock-band > application, this is a problem: > > 2) the mic sensitivity switch has three positions. The lowest sensitivity > is > already too sensitive when trying to record an acoustic jazz trio. > > > > David. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 00:54:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CF603BE8A; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 00:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04dc01cb4c95$3ff96c60$925d0418@vulcan> From: "d.nix" To: Cc: Subject: question regarding programming the fcb1010 for the EDP Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:57:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 00:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Hello Mark- You posted this link on the Loopers Delight mail list, thank you very much... http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=593 However I find that I'm not getting the behavior you describe in the section on assigning note numbers to pedals. I wonder if you could elaborate a bit, or point out where I'm getting it wrong... Assigning Note numbers to pedals for the EDP functions. (Performed once per EDP function required) 0. Choose the pedal you wish to give a function to I want button #1 to be Record, so I select it... the LED on the switch lights up, the switch1 red LED up top lights up, the display reads '00', and the two expression pedal LEDs are lit. 1. Press and hold DOWN button (to edit) The LED on button#1 stays lit, the green led blinks, no numerical display, no expression leds lit. 2. Press UP once (to pass another function we dont need) button#1, #8,#9 & #10 LED's lit up, the 'select' LED is lit, nothing else lights... 3. Now all lights should be OFF except for the one we want, that it 10. uh, see above... button#1, #8,#9 & #10 LED's lit up, the 'select' LED is lit... This is where I get stumped and cant get any farther in the process... Any assistance would be helpful... I'm a bit of a MIDI-phobe as it is, and this isnt helping my situation... Your instructions looked very cut and dry and simple to understand, but I'm not seeing the same behavior as you described. Fow what it's worth, my FCB1010 is brand new, and has the latest 2.5 eprom chip, and my EDP is the latest rev running Loop4, 1.1. Thanks! Dave Nix 4. Press and hold pedals to switch lights off, and press and hold the 10 button to switch it ON. (The 10 button denotes the use of the Note Number function) 5. Briefly press the 10 button to choose it for editing, it should flash. 6. Press up (to edit) 7. choose the EDP function number PLUS your offset number, using the Expression pedal A. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 01:50:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76F003BE85; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 01:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04e801cb4c9d$168480b0$925d0418@vulcan> From: "d.nix" To: , References: <04dc01cb4c95$3ff96c60$925d0418@vulcan> Subject: Re: question regarding programming the fcb1010 for the EDP Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 18:53:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 01:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Bah, I'm an idiot... Nevermind I got it working, I think... I'm just too impatient and not holding the FCB buttons down long enough... :-) Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "d.nix" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:57 PM Subject: question regarding programming the fcb1010 for the EDP > Hello Mark- > > You posted this link on the Loopers Delight mail list, thank you very > much... > > http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=593 > > However I find that I'm not getting the behavior you describe in the section > on assigning note numbers to pedals. I wonder if you could elaborate a bit, > or point out where I'm getting it wrong... > > Assigning Note numbers to pedals for the EDP functions. (Performed once per > EDP function required) > > 0. Choose the pedal you wish to give a function to > > I want button #1 to be Record, so I select it... the LED on the switch > lights up, the switch1 red LED up top lights up, the display reads '00', and > the two expression pedal LEDs are lit. > > > 1. Press and hold DOWN button (to edit) > > The LED on button#1 stays lit, the green led blinks, no numerical display, > no expression leds lit. > > > 2. Press UP once (to pass another function we dont need) > > button#1, #8,#9 & #10 LED's lit up, the 'select' LED is lit, nothing else > lights... > > > 3. Now all lights should be OFF except for the one we want, that it 10. > > uh, see above... button#1, #8,#9 & #10 LED's lit up, the 'select' LED is > lit... This is where I get stumped and cant get any farther in the > process... > > Any assistance would be helpful... I'm a bit of a MIDI-phobe as it is, and > this isnt helping my situation... Your instructions looked very cut and dry > and simple to understand, but I'm not seeing the same behavior as you > described. Fow what it's worth, my FCB1010 is brand new, and has the latest > 2.5 eprom chip, and my EDP is the latest rev running Loop4, 1.1. > > Thanks! > > Dave Nix > > > 4. Press and hold pedals to switch lights off, and press and hold the 10 > button to switch it ON. (The 10 button denotes the use of the Note Number > function) > 5. Briefly press the 10 button to choose it for editing, it should flash. > 6. Press up (to edit) > 7. choose the EDP function number PLUS your offset number, using the > Expression pedal A. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 10:41:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6135B3BE7F; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 10:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=UMaRH7vdChVJq21Peg0vUQ0vRg1LbVcpdFMimRpghvlcVeFN+s7zdgGB1kRzcURbB1DRfCGjrLrDW4fbXnnZct2xtMLpJZH6l/OrxWNqFm41ihhp9RwFsh8sEoSoNRHnmKuDM1YqSMjNR2679HakU6SHKLQPk1iTtgm9xtjhhnQ= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1283683285; bh=Cqb4TG//LqSKbfs+yj1G/PD+t4JSXEJ8kPP1wV/D2qg=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=uh8OCSFd7I1DVTR6Ilm73z1j4qbzzXERQZdQKnzFRmEMXynXgMxnr5TMU4Im5JlE4HcQJt1VFMRdbeLCyLAgYOmQp8vAc3L53eyzrh/6no6UHA9l9rDF82kAgvG4leoF2SuR8eN5cIeoJ1qqH7OKwd8bhEh+yKbExj6VdJEmyo8= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: o5dDRqwVM1kaiqL9cn33BYhsPudYAm773uv2HFDOcbICogc _YKfMCE0xi8h7stzRNd8Rb1u6jqtXkXELeAABFdCF72_7dcGpXXm6SHQki87 TbDTRfX7g1QDJ5odGcsgh02yJ_8WDcFWn8UZXTaG5plntRggj.L0yUAyCUzN hvZY_IHDROpk7wjby4J9mHtD0o0TSBbS2RoUCTyAYTCikLUENSUAiZOLvtvP c1bNuTqBa X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13-433402691 Message-Id: <64B60894-8CB1-48A1-BDA0-0D9400B621DE@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Podcasts? Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 11:41:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 10:41:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13-433402691 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Useful list of podcasters http://www.mattstevensguitar.com/page14.htm Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 4 Sep 2010, at 17:30, Warren Sirota wrote: > > Those of you with podcasts, how about making it easy for me (there > must be others who prefer podcast format) to listen to you and post > links in this thread? Thanks! > > > -- > Warren > http://www.warrensirota.com > CD: Loops, Live & Otw > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota --Apple-Mail-13-433402691 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Useful list of podcasters http://www.mattsteven= sguitar.com/page14.htm

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= --Apple-Mail-13-433402691-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 10:49:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB09B3BE8A; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 10:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=0kd+gMputqPCpCnU6CJbzw6DbLYkvKueiuotE2a/btM56riXHOR46VmMa+Ue9/Z/Kp1TJ0k44C0YKrKuN4ajIV/Q0dVz7cc76WR1f+JwArL6z2MkcCm8Ug6NAZlAUCyYrG5eRpl7xfdhPFqn7a+uq2zsQmtsrpU+p+eMHBGZNjc= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1283683784; bh=4T4SNxpaXqSzjBI4RpfPx+Jxh+DNpeIt+jo3CB4nq1s=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=XX1yh13UFjEtXC5LdyZxRkcWkOAYsxsG5pdozzXYrZ/mTbMplHWk28Xpz10x4vU72brDG6dcW0VdnQAUZMzAY5pCu772373LtiR0F4tz3WJItEgDc+McnZfCS+HoyO6OjH/FD1Bwo+6XOW3iitXOSy+z7Zd63KpI4OUpKZcg4CU= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: SRriNvoVM1nUGgBhZc49dJK6kasAoeJMjb2KjmvApgvA_kR iIEjeTrzEg1z8YD8R8mdMNibmYZ5.OlXMmejPJ6pbe27k5pP7rCAcKhVWl6W IRuP.WMaQdonC6bze0gkifg00Kg1nxd7kG78cM456Ut4Msh0JKsezPTVxP_x 2C2s83A.ikoQn1gPJhLidwqTmHlovlSVtHBi7y0RKbIswrpx7CzrqiJVrPjR HHF6VT5bSXoThGZgP9CSjCAazfIh3hPQ_6yUIFcNkjQuR3Onf8qkDp6KH X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <348916.91229.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <348916.91229.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-17-433901925 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Self promotion Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 11:49:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 10:49:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-17-433901925 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed and more stuff :) http://www.liveunsigned.com/blog Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 3 Sep 2010, at 21:04, Antony Hequet wrote: > There is a lot of info on your web site, I am looking thru it! > Antony Hequet > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2010-09-03, at 20:39, Matt Stevens > wrote: > >> Glad to help :) >> >> Matt Stevens >> www.mattstevensguitar.com >> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >> >> >> >> >> On 3 Sep 2010, at 17:04, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: >> >>> hello Matt, >>> sorry for the slow answer. I have no internet access till next >>> wednesday. Thanks for the most useful information. Will be back >>> in touch after wednesday. >>> >>> Antony Hequet >>> poet composer >>> >>> >>> From: Matt Stevens >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:28:05 PM >>> Subject: Re: Self promotion >>> >>> How to promote yourself online >>> >>> http://mattstevensguitar.com/page20.htm >>> >>> List of loop friendly bloggers/podcasters >>> >>> http://mattstevensguitar.com/page14.htm >>> >>> Hope this helps >>> >>> >>> Matt Stevens >>> www.mattstevensguitar.com >>> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 31 Aug 2010, at 21:20, Antony Hequet wrote: >>> >>>> Please forgive me for letting this fly bye me, someone posted am >>>> article about. Self promotion/production. The source was CD Baby >>>> and I believe the person posting or comenting was Andy Butler. >>>> Would you please forward the link again. I am setting up to >>>> publish my own stuff and could use some pointers. >>>> Antony Hequet >>>> Poet composer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --Apple-Mail-17-433901925 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII and more stuff :)


Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 3 Sep 2010, = at 21:04, Antony Hequet wrote:

There = is a lot of info on your web site, I am looking thru = it!
Antony Hequet

Sent from my iPhone

On = 2010-09-03, at 20:39, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com> wrote:

Glad to help :)

Matt Stevens

On 3 Sep 2010, = at 17:04, antonyhequet@yahoo.com = wrote:

hello Matt,
sorry for the slow answer. I have no = internet access till next wednesday. Thanks for the most useful = information. Will be back in touch after wednesday.

Antony = Hequet
poet composer


 Matt = Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com>
 Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
 Tue, = August 31, 2010 10:28:05 PM
 Re: Self = promotion

How to promote yourself online

List of loop friendly = bloggers/podcasters

Hope this helps


Matt = Stevens

On 31 Aug 2010, at 21:20, Antony Hequet = wrote:

Please forgive me for letting = this fly bye me, someone posted am article about. Self = promotion/production. The source was CD Baby and I believe the person = posting or comenting was Andy Butler. Would you please forward the link = again. I am setting up to publish my own stuff and could use some = pointers.
Antony Hequet
Poet composer






= --Apple-Mail-17-433901925-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 11:57:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E45103BE89; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 11:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C8385AB.8080707@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 07:57:31 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Macintosh/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: TODAY!! The Soundscapes Concert Series Presents Modulator ESP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 11:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Sunday, September 5, the Soundscapes Concert Series returns to the Nazareth Center for the Arts with Modulator ESP. Based in the UK, Modulator ESP is an electronic musician who concentrates on Dark Ambient and Berlin School. Doors open at 7:30 pm and the concert is at 8:00 pm. The concert is free. Donations are requested to support the musician and to enable the Nazareth Center for the Arts to pay operating expenses. The NCA is located at 30 Belvidere Street, Nazareth, PA 18064 just off of Route 191 on the southwest corner of Belvidere Street and South Spruce Street. Check the NCA site for parking information. The Soundscapes Concert Series is the concert companion to the Galactic Travels radio program on WDIY and to Thought Radio on WMUH and presents electronic music to the Lehigh Valley. This is the concert series that presented Robert Rich (California), vidnaObmana (Belgium), The Ministry of Inside Things (Philadelphia), Richard Lainhart (New York), Orbital Decay (Quakertown), Mikronesia (Philadelphia), Technicolor Travel Agency (Poconos), and Twyndyllyngs (Lehigh Valley) to local audiences. THE SOUNDSCAPES CONCERT SERIES: http://soundscapes.us FUTURE CONCERTS: October 10: THE TANGENT PROJECT December 5: CHUCK VAN ZYL NAZARETH CENTER FOR THE ARTS: http://nazaretharts.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 16:10:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50E0A3BE87; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 16:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pit8gL4lBQxW07KufBS2cHKhbaVHhnSjb1hyuONBQsc=; b=LeYqK2QtOKNgfU/p18hpcvlTq5ihO8/zBhfshAmXLVexm2wWMP4cd/SzXL1kignAGT vZzDiy16nspdGa05UFtReAhjdUsy/lPC4vOxIbJgIDdP7qI8Pln1VxcfBsIa3OasUtW6 YIfDWATuriJUAqQFVsu1Tf/sxHUAKR17jiuoE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QL7JzzhrDr710P8npsdRjjIec/0i/quHzpuvvHGjWJCndMjylZzxK/Ed1S7Wh7lke4 XVvd7pnEWiIbqmPOzEs3Rzu8bu/oE10xS8NTa0g4M2GnxbpnVT3Py3LSD3FmlYF3haXN AV8JiQM/ZqmbOUs43v15GXgHAxbkU4vehz3Tg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <64B60894-8CB1-48A1-BDA0-0D9400B621DE@btinternet.com> References: <64B60894-8CB1-48A1-BDA0-0D9400B621DE@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 12:10:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Podcasts? From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 16:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Warren I co produce one each month for ImprovFriday. Paul Muller and I trade off each month. The august episode. On mixes and mashes featuring the work of jc combs, bruce hamilton and adam kondor is up on our channel page at http://improvfridayradio.podomatic.com or search subscribe ImprovFriday in iTunes. I host the september show and will be interviewing steve moyes whic we did by skype. The episode will be up in couple of weeks maybe sooner. To learn more about the work being done on ImprovFriday visit http://improvfriday.ning.com or our blog at http://whatsnewatimprovfriday.wordpress.com. Jim On 9/5/10, Matt Stevens wrote: > Useful list of podcasters http://www.mattstevensguitar.com/page14.htm > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > On 4 Sep 2010, at 17:30, Warren Sirota wrote: > >> >> Those of you with podcasts, how about making it easy for me (there >> must be others who prefer podcast format) to listen to you and post >> links in this thread? Thanks! >> >> >> -- >> Warren >> http://www.warrensirota.com >> CD: Loops, Live & Otw >> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota > > --=20 Sent from my mobile device >From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 19:29:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBB803BE82; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:29:00 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: FS: high quality patch cords, interconnects From: Qua Veda In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 12:22:18 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <64B60894-8CB1-48A1-BDA0-0D9400B621DE@btinternet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-MagicMail-UUID: e64c6ac8-b922-11df-9f9f-001517857ac1 X-MagicMail-MUA: e64c6ac8-b922-11df-9f9f-001517857ac1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:29:00 +0000 (UTC) I've got a lot of premium quality, and some custom ordered, patch cords = and interconnect cables of various lengths and terminations (RCA, TRS, = XLR). I'm going to inventory all of them and make a list, but thought I'd see = if anyone might be interested in them. I would sell them as a lot for a = fraction of what they cost. =20 if interested please contact me offlist. -Qua= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 19:29:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 413E73BE88; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+IQBYpyI//Dm4/lZSpFxwQO/NRpxRJWFbz6+GVTpjfo=; b=XzoCQ8tV03b/omCFAzbszlxPZqjh1GFDQ6L0u5mmY3NrsFKRR1+YDJOk5GdKxIir1a nQkHBKVk2QRDvvJDGTgx/TTynKUTK3i4gMElsNSutLd2QtB2NKOxkOyxirtS6yaJXiOU enX0P4r0FJp0MS0lGfPiQA/YBClYSf3LgvRsY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=b2aeDUdafjphoR7bB5U+Nvwso5XgWwlRfKIw6917BSry7mRQmsbAkMbmD5EsZ9729W ealxNqBsOn2DodLQFrM7Mz2eWlza0iKfFLIUAefB4AAyDeiBX29Lb25t12OzI2d7slpf dtsqinBjnfzuVWWfGJQaTa58tG+YTDv05ukrc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 21:29:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e887865719224048f883037 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:29:59 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e887865719224048f883037 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 excellent Fabio!! id like to learn more about polyritmic counterpoint,if u guys have any links to good sources id be very thankful! keep up the good work my friend arriverderchi Luis On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Fabio_A wrote: > Hi all, > I've uploaded on bancamp a *preview of my composition for the nextcoming > Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV* (curated by David Kirkdorffer - > UNDO), , with the intention to *donate all the incoming money to support > Rick's Y2K-X Loopfest *(www.y2kloopfest.com) . > > It's called "Polymetric Counterpoint #1" and it's a minimalistic loop based > composition realized superimposing musical patterns with different metrics > (3-4-5-6) sharing the same pulse. > All cellos, strings and piano patterns were played and looped live and > later mixed with a computer software. > Here is the link: http://eterogeneo.bandcamp.com/releases > > Hope you'll like it and, anyway, *please contribute as you can* to support > the Y2K-X Loopfest and don't forget to *spread this link to your friends, > lists, FB, myspace*, ecc... > > -fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:49 PM > Subject: I need this communities help: Y2K-X LOOP FEST > >> >> >> >> Hi everyone, >>> >>> So far, donations for this year's Y2K-X festival are running a little >>> under >>> 25% from previous years. >>> >>> The festival this year is going to be close to twice as large. >>> >>> This has been a tough recessionary year and I know things are really >>> tight. >>> >>> So, it is not lightly that I ask if you could consider donating some >>> funds >>> to help the festival come off. >>> >>> The price of admission doesn't come close to covering all of my costs >>> and so many people are coming this year that we're going to have a hard >>> time raising very much money at the door. >>> >>> If you have anything to give, it will cover the costs of sleeping bags, >>> transportation >>> and many incidental costs. >>> >>> My paypal account is looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com >>> >>> Thanks a lot, >>> >>> yours, Rick Walker >>> >>> >> > --e0cb4e887865719224048f883037 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable excellent Fabio!!
id like to learn more about polyritmic counterpoint,i= f u guys have any links to good sources id be very thankful!
keep up the= good work my friend
arriverderchi
Luis

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border= -left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi all,
I've uploaded on bancamp a preview of my composition for the ne= xtcoming Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV=A0(curated by David K= irkdorffer - UNDO), ,=A0with the intention to donate all the incoming mo= ney to support Rick's Y2K-X Loopfest (www.y2kloopfest.com) .
=A0
It's called "Polymetric Counterpoint #1" and it's a = minimalistic loop based composition realized superimposing musical patterns= with different metrics (3-4-5-6) sharing the same pulse.
All cellos, strings and piano patterns=A0were played and looped live a= nd later mixed with a computer software.
=A0
Hope you'll like it and, anyway, please=A0contribute as you can= to support the Y2K-X Loopfest and don't forget to spread this l= ink to your friends, lists, FB, myspace,=A0=A0ecc...
=A0
-fabio
=A0
=A0


----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" <= ;looppool@cruzio.c= om>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Cc: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August = 24, 2010 5:49 PM
Subject: I need this communities help: Y2K-X LOOP FEST =



Hi everyone,
<= br>So far, donations for this year's Y2K-X festival are running a littl= e under
25% from previous years.

The festival this year is going to be close to twice as large.

T= his has been a tough recessionary year and I know things are really tight.<= br>
So, =A0it is not lightly that I ask if you could consider donating s= ome funds
to help the festival come off.

The price of admission doesn't co= me close to covering all of my costs
and so many people are coming this = year that we're going to have a hard
time raising very much money at= the door.

If you have anything to give, =A0it will cover the costs of sleeping ba= gs, transportation
and many incidental costs.

My paypal account i= s =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com

Thanks a lot,=

yours, =A0 Rick Walker




--e0cb4e887865719224048f883037-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 19:37:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F7A73BE85; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 479995824/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.99/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.99 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As8BAIeNg0xYbRtj/2dsb2JhbAAHk2jHdYU9BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,321,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="479995824" Message-ID: <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 20:37:17 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Abelton Live question References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:37:05 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > I find Live very frustrating.. you exactly fit the profile for "Happy Plogue Bidule User". ...all you have to do is connect stuff together with the on-screen equivalent of patch cords. it's *like hardware* andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 19:37:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 001B43BE8B; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 479995841/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.99/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.99 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtABAIeNg0xYbRtj/2dsb2JhbAAHgxGQV7Z5kHyBIoFEgWN0BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,321,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="479995841" Message-ID: <4C83F171.3080809@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 20:37:21 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <02HZtD.A.F7C.jF_gMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > I never changed my Behringer FCB1010 bank layout i ten years. Now I > will need to make some adjustments because the Gordious pedalboard > doesn't seem to allow the same layout of "Bank A of MIDI Note number 1 > to 10, Bank B of MIDI Note number 11 to 20, Bank C of MIDI Note 21 to > 30 etc etc. I use 70 foot commands and they have almost never changed. > It does allow the same setup. Except that normally buttons 9 & 10 are on top of the machine, next to the display. I got Xavier to re-arrange the buttons (not a complex job) and re-positioned the leds myself (requires drilling) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 19:42:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D06BC3BE86; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-465881274 Subject: Re: Sound is Art: Seeking Submissions Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 12:42:39 -0700 In-Reply-To: <69580.17175.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <546494.75579.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CD1A5BA805F40A-1F28-EFF2@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> <69580.17175.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <713BC2BD-8677-4F7C-8630-0E9116952239@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=lyV+XRjCp92gjFJjEBGdd+uk4cCEHFcEmNbKezYOog0= c=1 sm=0 a=OtOAcEjSBy0A:10 a=XCOojii/DAuONnnIhMMOzw==:17 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=qSEgxVnzAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=wQ0X-DbWcWb32hie6L8A:9 a=OWSHpFQ4JsfTTreiw5b6-eX17SYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=fNyyDQU_gNCEbFTstAUA:9 a=elchezfc7LwDxTU60l8A:7 a=Le-LauVk5FcDnWSELzVX4wgtCpIA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:42:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-465881274 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii you are a very smart woman! your fan R richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Sep 4, 2010, at 10:18 AM, margaret noble wrote: > Thank you so much. Please share sounds and spread the word :-) > > > > Margaret Noble > http://margaretnoble.net > > > > > > From: "nemoguitt@aol.com" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 8:19:09 AM > Subject: Re: Sound is Art: Seeking Submissions > > > http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart > > > margaret.....this is wonderful! > > > --Apple-Mail-1-465881274 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii you are a very smart = woman! 

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On Sep 4, 2010, at 10:18 AM, margaret noble = wrote:

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= --Apple-Mail-1-465881274-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 19:49:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 955883BE90; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZdzEWCRvmEsnVtLbaMzJAoDxlMQlw/vqM68XPSre4vM=; b=ZbGA/cT6ZRgpAn3xbshST7KGXDsrr6w9Lbr+7xzlvRsos8Uoeo320G6Gsp5tjI1NQx 5PaizQJwRxINGDFKrbQhfAvTXaBfHyEfLBeyqyQMVDFU/InHQ4QNYEMr2eUPCn6VB7Yc ZCBmDb0NNHGIhu+Knk2mDe3Z88iDJWVssIVFA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZfMFOGGaYoAM7XuhlZxxmg3cjeMmAbFOOpbiUsujs9KGfJPe7Wfl5IuobZkeg6KfY7 a/IfhhIH0G12iRDqGut4Kal58sTFcw1XjrPDHNyn6uuDt8bdabhNdlA33IIS4BYoQdAZ ToAan5Wb2uS2WVyX/IgXg8cQeA9SQLc/yQo/4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C83F171.3080809@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C83F171.3080809@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 21:49:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:49:03 +0000 (UTC) > Per Boysen wrote: > >> I never changed my Behringer FCB1010 bank layout i ten years. Now I >> will need to make some adjustments because the Gordious pedalboard >> doesn't seem to allow the same layout of "Bank A of MIDI Note number 1 >> to 10, Bank B of MIDI Note number 11 to 20, Bank C of MIDI Note 21 to >> 30 etc etc. I use 70 foot commands and they have almost never changed. >> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:37 PM, andy butler wrote: > It does allow the same setup. Thank you, that's really good news, Andy! > Except that normally buttons 9 & 10 are on > top of the machine, next to the display. No problems. > I got Xavier to re-arrange the buttons > (not a complex job) > and re-positioned the leds myself > (requires drilling) Smart! I'm not that handy, I'm afraid. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 19:50:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B0363BEA2; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 480001277/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.99/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.99 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As8BAAqRg0xYbRtj/2dsb2JhbAAHk2jIFoU9BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,321,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="480001277" Message-ID: <4C83F48D.2010100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 20:50:37 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders H3 References: <4C8133BE.9010106@googlemail.com> <4C8158AB.1000902@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4C8158AB.1000902@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > Buy the Q3 and then you can really document everything, not to mention the > wondrous Boss Looping Competition video that you all need to make > with non-Boss products (wink) the Q3 has it's microphones at 120 degrees. Thus while it works perfectly in Bill's setup to pick up his stereo monitors as he plays, it's actually useless as a stereo recorder in most situations. (there simply is no such thing as a stereo recording setup with that config, just produces "hole in the middle" recordings.) A real shame that Zoom crippled the product like that, seems they realised the mistake and equiped the new H1 with the correct 90 degree angle. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 19:55:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 221083BEBE; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:55:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=mN3/1XHIp/VlHt00e97+dfhCGMsm/9Cp054KV5aGbsU=; b=eabT9aGNyYIebM1Otb5t3hWQ5byGBO+R3RAqkDM6Sd3H2W7GPGXtzxHFg+sKPdE1j9 7erO7mFmG+HAzxfFoATzM70vJDzvuxYkSdSDLd/9tcFKyWqXvJ6HPAZ8BAP81D/YtaoW bsR+vxM8eMymgbt1MTUrwnJp5jnPhaGd0yTLE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=HlQjB/OoAfmQhRQfr6P17ZVrU21+WWhkyiK/xmeAwrzcyeGcrplZFntR/nGYn2vi74 97HqsQbl1Kg/gh94wNjYnoEu5jSZ0nWVurqeefUXkBtd4E1nx+wFVqZHI6k7T1xzRWRB h0pzT2uNG1deoKiGGlYQG4cfitS8eiXUYhlaE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F171.3080809@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 21:55:17 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: AIklemFy_mr2jtxO_jTaDJF_17w Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630fb5f343d7f048f888ce9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:55:38 +0000 (UTC) --00163630fb5f343d7f048f888ce9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > 70 foot commands and they have almost never changed. WOW.. thats crazy.. I have 2 questions... so you had your FCB programmed as 12345678910 (change bank) 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 etc??? Is that right? And then you assigned the actions you wanted to this setup? (Using midi learn in Mobius or midi learn in you host (Mainstage is it?) I guess you have one MAIN bank and a bunch of esoteric banks? (that was question one, more of a musing really... ) and secondly.. how the HELL did you remember what was where??? I use 2 banks, 1 main ad 1 esoteric... :-))) Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00163630fb5f343d7f048f888ce9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
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70 foot commands and they have almost never changed.

= WOW.. thats crazy..
I have 2 questions... so you had your FCB programme= d as 12345678910 (change bank) 11 12 13 14=A0 15 16 17 18 19 20 etc???

Is that right? And then you assigned the actions you wanted to this set= up? (Using midi learn in Mobius or midi learn in you host (Mainstage is it?= )
I guess you have one MAIN bank and a bunch of esoteric banks?
(that was question one, more of a musing really... )

and secondly.. how the HELL did you remember what was where???

I= use 2 banks, 1 main ad 1 esoteric...

:-)))

Mark

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--00163630fb5f343d7f048f888ce9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 20:13:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F6D53BECD; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:13:10 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT was Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Luis wrote: "excellent Fabio!! id like to learn more about polyritmic counterpoint,if u guys have any links to good sources id be very thankful!....." For what it's worth, Luis (and everyone on this list), this is my specific professional field of expertise. I am always available to this list to answer questions about this and any other aspect of rhythmic theory, time permitting. Please ask. Rick Walker ps I was just thinking that I should have put 'off topic' on this thread but I realize that the cyclical superimposition of regular time signatures is about as strong a looping concept as any. Before I looped the first time in the early 80's, I was very interested in Steve Reich, Harry Partch, Terry Riley and musics of Africa and Indonesia which have their own different paradigms about juxtaposing repeating rhythms. A good horn, funk band in the 70's was all about repeating parts. Now we just have machines to aid us in playing these kinds of musics, although I should definitely name check the amazing Nik Bartsch' Ronin on ECM records if you want to hear some truly beautiful and real time odd time superimposition. pps Thanks mucho, Fabio, for generously donating your sales to the festival. We can use every single penny we get this year. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 20:18:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C036E3BEDA; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AUZkzAwApfejXvOwPXyoBsS5GmH5dUAQtAIMjo4VncM=; b=Q7i++T4kXcqdI8KNhV7U3x9UB/Zna6w8T46KKXICxJ5yUfMErAVjMuBPgvPb06FOZk 6IAySXZJcAkF1bEn79fJfOjeYT4/MzKPz4CKQ+vpi64Ji8j6SG2hG9vsWG9A8g0/xIC9 89hTD3aUqTOk4tFFIeI+/cWaszpHjvFswQITM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=h3msYwypS+hIlRhyXGpbc0wl6n9KMHNsJO4bzBPrOnoiP9ysnO29W3fL7oJQbKfUNs oiFxz5R23ixWMVUee6dDgfmQe+MzcjyelKIwOjuUszs8NVWmkIY5fwVKtEFkCxclYe1n uAG62xpOfurblEpMOaecfIyCVWWyIbHsWzmoM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F171.3080809@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 22:18:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:18:52 +0000 (UTC) > On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> 70 foot commands and they have almost never changed. On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:55 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > WOW.. thats crazy.. It's not that much. Only looks so because some banks is for applying the same command but to optional Mobius tracks. I just do the basic EDP stuff but remember that Mobius kind of equals 8 EDPs. > I have 2 questions... so you had your FCB programmed as 12345678910 (chan= ge > bank) 11 12 13 14=C2=A0 15 16 17 18 19 20 etc??? yep. > Is that right? And then you assigned the actions you wanted to this setup= ? Yep. > (Using midi learn in Mobius or midi learn in you host (Mainstage is it?) Preferably assigned in Mobius, since I use Mobius with different host applications and I like to set Mobius to snag my tap dance MIDI directly from the MIDI port, thus side-stepping the host's MIDI port/distribution. But with both Mainstage and Bidule I set up some actions to happen from the host's MIDI In Port representation; but never the Mobius looping, only live playing of effect plug-in parameters. > I guess you have one MAIN bank and a bunch of esoteric banks? > (that was question one, more of a musing really... ) I kind of spread it out "ergonomically" - trying to optimize the MIDI Pedal for free improvisation in live looping. That's sort of the opposite strategy to a guy like for example Kid Beyond because he optimizes it for a smooth performance of a strong repertoire. I rather keep a few options open for immediate decision while playing - but not too many options. Reducing the number of options is crucial in free improvisation. Better know a few turns well and go from there IMHO. I mean, it's only technique, Music is unlimited anyway. > and secondly.. how the HELL did you remember what was where??? HOw do you remember the notes on your guitar? Doesn't it have 144 frets where you may push down a string... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 20:24:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C3643BEE6; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 488495319/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.176.199/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.176.199 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAHuZg0xV0rDH/2dsb2JhbAAHml/BT4U9BI0m X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,321,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="488495319" Message-ID: <4C83FC7A.3070500@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:24:26 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders --H2 review References: <001001cb4b88$89062d70$2d7b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> In-Reply-To: <001001cb4b88$89062d70$2d7b3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Here's my early review of the H2. Since then I've had some fantastic results with it for recording acoustic instruments. (to be released on CD) (recording at 24 bit it doesn't matter if the levels turn out low...and no noise problem at all). The new H1 does *look* very good, but I'd wouldn't recommend it having not checked it. The Zoom H2 just happens to produce excellent results with it's internal mics (and not if used in any other way). ok, here's the review 1) As a sketchbook recorder. I recorded myself improvising quite sparsely on a ukelele...easy to do and sounded good. The on-board mics are very good, rumored to be the same capsules as used on the H4. More noise than a studio recording, but not enough to worry about. 2) Ambient recordings with quiet birdsong worked well too. Again there's probably a bit more noise there than you'd want if you were going to do this professionally, but still listenable. The 4 channel mode for recording is good for this too, would be a quick way to grab some surround sound ambiance. 2b) using the rear facing mics to record produces "hole in the middle" stereo...totally pointless. 3) Recording direct from the mixing desk....disaster. The so called line in input is specified at -10dB, and there's no headroom whatsoever, in fact I've sent it a full scale signal at -10dB and it just pushes it into distortion. While you'd expect the on-board volume control to deal with this, it does nothing of the sort. The volume control, and also the on-board limiter/compressor work only in the digital domain. Result is that while the meters are showing you a clean and safe signal level your recording can still be a mush of fuzz. I'm going to work around this by soldering some resistors into a lead (to make a 20dB pad) and by never using the "record volume" below 100. Zoom really lose points for this, -10dB may be a standard for *nominal* input, but to provide it with no headroom whatsover is just stupid. (it won't work with *any* available source without an attenuator) 4) Setting up your band around the H4 and recording in 4 channel mode. Tried this in a small room, and the separation isn't enough to make it worth the effort. This would work a lot better if the rear mics were 90 degrees apart rather than 120 degrees. As there's now only 75 degrees between front and rear mics on either side it means that instruments directly to either side of the H2 get an extra boost. If your band is very loud then it's possible you won't be able to get an undistorted recording. 5) USB mic, fine. 6) Duplex audio interface. On pc, you can download "Asio4All" which makes the H2 into a low latency interface. Asio drivers available from Zoom. Unfortunately the input is permanently routed to the output of the zoom, rendering this feature more or less useless. 7) Tuner.. yep that works. 8) Works with 8GB sd card (recommended cards on zoom site). 9) Metronome. Works. time sigs 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 & 6/8. Range of sounds...cowbell's quite nice. 10) On-board limiter, or auto vol control doesn't work to prevent distortion. (see 3) Works with 2 ordinary AA batteries, which is a big plus. (easy to change). Comes with a little stand (which just lets in stand upright on a flat surface without adjustment) and also a kind of handle thing which can be used to mount it on a mic clip or shock mount. Won't fix straight onto a mic stand, but would be worth getting one of those little camera stands which will fit straight onto the recorder. The camera style mounting thread at the bottom of the unit looks like it's plastic (hence worries by other reviewers) but the "tongue test" says it's made of metal and thus suitably robust(full points to Zoom for this) It's "USB2 compatible"....which apparently means USB 1. So file transfer is not that fast unless you just have/buy a card reader. It's much faster than transferring from MD tho' :-) It's bigger in than the Edirol R-09 Plastic construction, feels sturdy enough. Door for the SD card could break quite easily while open (but H2 wouldn't then stop working). I found it very easy to use, but for the menu-phobic it might be frustrating. It's disappointing that 4-ch recording is only possible with the on-board mics, would have been useful for gigs to record both feed from the desk and a bit of live sound from the on-board mic for atmosphere. Rear facing mic would be more useful with 90 degree spacing rather than 120. Would still be handy to record with rear facing mics while viewing the levels. For 4-ch recording it would be much better to have 4 equally spaced mics ( I may hack the H2 to change the angles). So, the major downside is that there's no analog volume control before the A/D converters in line mode, and only a 3 position level switch for the mic. If the volume is set below 100 ( some websites say 95) then the level meters won't show if your sound is distorting. It's possible that the A/Ds are working at 24bit all the time, in which case, using the upper range of volume control from 100 to 127 is useful if your recording at 16 bit. With a 24bit recording there's no point at all in using the vol control. In any case, the recording quality of the unit is hardly going to make 24 bit recording worthwhile. At the price, no other downsides. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 20:35:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9589D3BEB2; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 488326797/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.176.199/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.176.199 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As8BABmcg0xV0rDH/2dsb2JhbAAHk2TIUYU9BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,321,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="488326797" Message-ID: <4C83FF1E.30901@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:35:42 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders References: <626340.78315.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:35:30 +0000 (UTC) RP Collier wrote: > The Zoom H4 has a limiter setting as part of the software. > When activated, I can put the mic sensitivity switch at the middle > setting, and place the H4 right next to the amp speaker at fairly strong > volume and get quite decent recording with no clipping at all. > I'm surprised they removed that option for the H2. > there *is* a limiter setting, ...it's *after* the conversion to digital. I always thought that the H4 was exactly the same in that respect. >From the H1 publicity it would appear they got their act together on limiting. d.nix wrote: > I record my progressive/post-rock/post-metal band with and H2 and we are > anything but quiet... Ampeg SVT with 1x15 and 2x10 cabs, Marshall 100 watt > head and two 4x10 cabs and a ham fisted animal drummer that worships John > Bonham. It works just fine. I keep it on the Low sensitivity setting and > drop the input volume to 75 from the default of 100. I use none of the > internal compression schemes... Occasionally a drum or cymbal spike will > cause it to clip, but that is very rare. > er, it's a total waste of time dropping the recording volume to 75. The distortion happens in the analog domain, and that vol control is digital. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 21:24:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9327F3BEAE; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 21:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" X-Originating-IP: 65.188.164.221 User-Agent: Web-Based Email 5.2.30 Message-Id: <20100905142421.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.3df6cf02a4.wbe@email00.secureserver.net> From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT was Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:24:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 21:24:22 +0000 (UTC)
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT was Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP
FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight
Compilation Vol. IV
From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzi= o.com>
Date: Sun, September 05, 2010 4:13 pm
To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>

Luis wrote:
"excellent Fabio!! id like to learn more about polyritmic
counterpoint,if u guys have any links to good sources id be very
thankful!....."


For what it's worth, Luis (and everyone on this list), this is my
specific professional field of expertise.

I am always available to this list to answer questions about this
and any other aspect of rhythmic theory, time permitting. Please ask.
Rick Walker

ps I was just thinking that I should have put 'off topic' on this
thread but I realize
that the cyclical superimposition of regular time signatures is about as strong
a looping concept as any. Before I looped the first time in the early 80's, I was very
interested in Steve Reich, Harry Partch, Terry Riley and musics of
Africa and Indonesia
which have their own different paradigms about juxtaposing repeating
rhythms. A
good horn, funk band in the 70's was all about repeating parts. Now we just have machines to aid us in playing these kinds of musics, although I should definitely name
check the amazing Nik Bartsch' Ronin on ECM records if you want to hear some truly beautiful and real time odd time superimposition.

pps Thanks mucho, Fabio, for generously donating your sales to the
festival.
We can use every single penny we get this year.

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 21:44:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CC623BEB9; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 21:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Bzwty0nLbyPVJarFRgXSS3hN8109cTdypWsop2EzfYg=; b=Nj4KhBdkfiaMRVYo6tCCfrEmhGzNwBjeslmH5QDCw5AW/bok6qYd0tip8WMognByjt XOwp2JoV1Gggz1C95P07eP1DqnTqdN+QvWcKdopvr8C/C9QMv81Ll6aIcaRBcN83+zwg AS1Cla+bkZotOBAE+HckBIUC4s3EPe5z3L8Og= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=r+WpqgbuNO6Ihmmyxf77TUbH6wfW4D19Vnf6BucefXvvKZeZ7uYeBtEfkLAxcskzKe DI9BiGNG1wMFX0t+ICtJ9XHyHofXqch6id2XFvQEo+/pg4g7P+M797M+03Fer46PqA6n slinJOjPn35lysHXtrBvA5T+ADddwRJfAs+Vc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 23:44:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT was Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68ea506bf5701048f8a105f Resent-Message-ID: <5iY17B.A.LbF.w8AhMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 21:44:16 +0000 (UTC) --0016e68ea506bf5701048f8a105f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanx Rick,yes i saw Nich Barsch in Z=FCrich man what an excellent band! th= ey play every monday night is too bad i have to work,but as soon as i had vacation i went to see him ive been digging the kosikas that Bernhard gave me(but im a real beginner o= n them),they are great to learn polyrythms and his page is very informative though im still gathering infromation about this and keeping an eye on any links where i can not only read about it but actually see it and hear it. Hopefully we can sit down together in october and you can give me a quick lesson as well! cheers Luis On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Luis wrote: > "excellent Fabio!! id like to learn more about polyritmic counterpoint,if= u > guys have any links to good sources id be very thankful!....." > > > For what it's worth, Luis (and everyone on this list), this is my specif= ic > professional field of expertise. > > I am always available to this list to answer questions about this and a= ny > other aspect of rhythmic theory, time permitting. Please ask. > > Rick Walker > > ps I was just thinking that I should have put 'off topic' on this threa= d > but I realize > that the cyclical superimposition of regular time signatures is about as > strong > a looping concept as any. Before I looped the first time in the early > 80's, I was very > interested in Steve Reich, Harry Partch, Terry Riley and musics of Africa > and Indonesia > which have their own different paradigms about juxtaposing repeating > rhythms. A > good horn, funk band in the 70's was all about repeating parts. Now we > just have machines to aid us in playing these kinds of musics, although = I > should definitely name > check the amazing Nik Bartsch' Ronin on ECM records if you want to hear > some truly beautiful and real time odd time superimposition. > > pps Thanks mucho, Fabio, for generously donating your sales to the > festival. > We can use every single penny we get this year. > > --0016e68ea506bf5701048f8a105f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanx Rick,yes i saw Nich Barsch in Z=FCrich man what an excellent band! th= ey play every monday night is too bad i have to work,but=A0 as soon as i ha= d vacation i went to see him
ive been digging the kosikas that Bernhard = gave me(but im a real beginner on them),they are great to learn polyrythms = and his page is very informative though im still gathering infromation abou= t this and keeping an eye on any links where i can not only read about it b= ut actually see it and hear it.
Hopefully we can sit down together in october and you can give me a quick l= esson as well!
cheers
Luis

On Sun, = Sep 5, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
=A0Luis wrote: "excellent Fabio!! id like to learn more about polyritmic counterpoint= ,if u guys have any links to good sources id be very thankful!....."

For what it's worth, =A0Luis (and everyone on this list), this is my sp= ecific professional field of expertise.

=A0 I am always available to this list to answer questions about this and = any other aspect of rhythmic theory, time permitting. =A0 =A0 Please ask.
Rick Walker

ps =A0 I was just thinking that I should have put 'off topic' on th= is thread but I realize
that the cyclical superimposition of regular time signatures is about as st= rong
a looping concept as any. =A0 =A0Before I looped the first time in the earl= y 80's, I was very
interested in Steve Reich, Harry Partch, Terry Riley and musics of Africa a= nd Indonesia
which have their own different paradigms about juxtaposing repeating rhythm= s. =A0A
good horn, funk band in the 70's was all about repeating parts. =A0 Now= we just have machines to aid us in playing these kinds of musics, =A0altho= ugh I should definitely name
check the amazing Nik Bartsch' Ronin on ECM records if you want to hear= some truly beautiful and real time odd time superimposition.

pps =A0 Thanks mucho, Fabio, for generously donating your sales to the fest= ival.
We can use every single penny we get this year.


--0016e68ea506bf5701048f8a105f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 22:06:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E28EE3BEAF; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 22:05:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=Fk+f7dy/fEme3zgP1SPI4ZzuH3BoJ+zeWYvX1xei5i0=; b=fmsJSPWFJaX2Juc2HAXAy1NFrXwi9+hsFiBI2JOh6Ic1zj7d8qXNJeQL9lgjGdMV9x TWrTEOhXQFyPYORJNgx6vMWs8xLH5bocvNg5+rQQbNybl9YcQLabO94gPRR6bmHlJxoa GP2cBN6D2UeOJCm8jAQDQXjs/TkUMDCBfMAPc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=pcpdNOHL2C6xl0ZXywQrvAOiYkh4Uz7e+Hu7nBPS4lSb0QhDAmvyrhc8AU1GdkNkbA 73EoENr75VgT79oVAlLBqg/R6FRhBUtFqPl98q6dPtyMVE40q47E4uLUBKW1kCA4+bO3 9l+6EK7M9fIcwpAo11lpX/6+gEk9ZNrhZZ5X0= Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4C83FF1E.30901@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 15:05:50 -0700 References: <626340.78315.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4C83FF1E.30901@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 22:05:59 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 5, 2010, at 1:35 PM, andy butler wrote: > there *is* a limiter setting, > ...it's *after* the conversion to digital. > > I always thought that the H4 was exactly the same > in that respect. I use the H4 limiter all the time and find it quite helpful in controlling the spikes that can occur. According to the manual: the H4 incorporates an effect section that can be inserted immediately after the inputs to process the signal before it is sent to the recorder tracks for recording. I don't know about the analog to digital conversion sequence but it seems strange for the H2 to have a recording level adjustment that does not do anything to lessen the signal and a limiter that would not limit distortion because the digital signal has been already compromised. regards BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 22:08:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F158A3BEA4; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 22:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283724528; bh=FCFXHwU9EzG+9p0q2AfNnaUtysVAWHywCWYzL4H4Vvs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SvnK4zFy55PpNST6MITtihf+Xe8CYnEc3nbC8m/8tzL/cF0RCoFTvY2FPJPLYTsOmTDE2uD4XYsdPAM80XSa54CkQitP4OQaMz2IRiMqfHfuAS6jegkaFhhfAenJ56PIHMiKYKyNLL6/VS/iLivvtdzKXO66LyqFSg8ekLXBDxQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6o1bdNMQQpn93/xVg/ggmNgLyOq8sWgFDTs0+2iE17HiSHkO1Am4FsxMKULaVfC+qWzX+Qqb5rmsfQSGDsxlN2qYU5xH6q3RttIsr8O30bPSx5RBOzqgvNrbdR0oAqHWIDBwa42kdfl65AR4MwzGB/G/Zqqg1jvq99x1QPhXOR8=; Message-ID: <526607.72389.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: c6JPICQVM1mwztJBkcpS0ZXcltiWczYNZl_sVBv3ymp1E0b 0F7fkNZvYM50vgEksEuJbD2qCqaqPV0Ln4vY5JUezcKjTqlZxLJwS_m5KsKG UPT417tbzxB5w8GYN9P0qGvjxpKcvq1fyuZGtFBLiFXZ5vITa2aHmBcNHQiY a2jiNUyfnbqJSceKpCcuKYW7v1vC6TUlo2QA.P2mZRIhFYxGMAJ8f1azzbXu Uy0VprueXwQgoZ2nzLupYPc_RrEQkOVVHkpoi.IKvvCiFnocCJhSaKXytve4 oPe3AufFjtn1YcKrPlhql.cpv2Q8mDT1nZ2KnAOSS9D3umNVIgr7g4UpYTPN R4XFMvFhX4PJFfcf1V7.9Bx_84w-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 15:08:48 -0700 (PDT) From: david kirkdorffer Subject: Zoom H2 - was OT: portable audio recorders To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2042414299-1283724528=:72389" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 22:08:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-2042414299-1283724528=:72389 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, I'm curious - Zoom H2 users our there, what software version are you = =0Arunning?=A0 If you got your H2 a while ago, did you make the upgrade to = System =0Aversion 1.81?=0A=0Ahttp://www.zoom.co.jp/english/download/softwar= e/h2.php=0A=0A=0A --0-2042414299-1283724528=:72389 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So, I'm curious - Zoom H2 users our there, what so= ftware version are you running?  If you got your H2 a while ago, did y= ou make the upgrade to System version 1.81?
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=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A --0-2042414299-1283724528=:72389-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 5 23:52:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3EF43BE86; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 23:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100905212422.F168E3BEBA@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-480850158 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V10 #632 Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 16:52:08 -0700 References: <20100905212422.F168E3BEBA@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 23:52:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-480850158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy sez: > the Q3 has it's microphones at 120 degrees. > Thus while it works perfectly in Bill's > setup to pick up his stereo monitors as > he plays, it's actually useless as a stereo recorder in most > situations. > (there simply is no such thing as a stereo recording > setup with that config, just produces "hole in the middle" > recordings.) OK MR rabbit ears I'm not hearing what you are hearing;-) I place the Q3 to one side of the monitors, not of equal distance between my monitors, just like they suggest, and the stereo image sounds fine, not imbalanced , no holes or phase cancellation that I can detect. Have you had personal experience with this or are you going on specs alone? Sometimes specs don't tell the whole story. The mic was designed for wide dispersion for a reason, to capture the width of the sound that a live band would put out, with the mic at relatively close range, but far enough away to capture the width of field that the camera is picking up. When i first got it, i took it to NAMM in january and filmed a bit of a singer songwriter and her band play on a big out door stage. Once i realized i needed to use the low mic setting to avoid clipping it sounded great and this was, again, standing in a position where I favored one side of what I assume was a monoral PA rig. I've Placed it a few feet in front of my acoustic guitar and it sounds excellent as well, the mics are pretty amazing for what they are. Sometimes specs don't tell the whole story. > > A real shame that Zoom crippled the product like that, > seems they realized the mistake and equipped the new H1 > with the correct 90 degree angle. Ok , I'm going to don my turban and look in to my crystal ball and predict they will release an updated version with improvements to the original, with hopefully the following upgrades. A line in to take a direct signal and or a pair of mic pres like the H4 and a line out that does not pass signal from the mics unless you want it to, making it easier to simply plug in to a monitor system and play back without the mics creating screeching feedback if the piece you are monitoring stops and the mics come back on line. I found this out the hard way trying to listen to tracks in my car with the Q3 plugged in to my car sound system. When the tune I was listening to ended, the mics kicked back in EEEEEEEEEEEEOuch!!!! Also an editor librarian that made it easy to extract the audio from the video if you like how something turned out but the video image was boring or embarrassing and you wanted to toss it. lastly it would be cool if there was some zoom capability but now I'm wishing for too much. The Q3 is in no way a perfect product but it is really easy to use and download, and it sounds great. As far as crippling the product, its sold really well for them so some folks are happy. I really dig mine though if I was solely interested in audio quality I would have picked the H4. Bill --Apple-Mail-2-480850158 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy sez:

the Q3 has = it's microphones at 120 degrees.
Thus  while it works perfectly = in Bill's
setup to pick up his stereo monitors as
he plays, it's = actually useless as a stereo recorder in most situations.
(there = simply is no such thing as a stereo recording
setup with that config, = just produces "hole in the  middle" = recordings.)

OK MR rabbit ears I'm not = hearing what you are hearing;-)  I place the Q3 to one side of the = monitors, not of equal distance between my monitors, just like they = suggest, and the stereo image sounds fine, not imbalanced , no holes or = phase cancellation that I can detect.  Have you had personal = experience with this or are you going on specs = alone?
Sometimes specs don't tell the whole story. The = mic was designed for wide dispersion for a reason, to capture the width = of the sound that a live band would put out, with the mic at relatively = close range, but far enough away to capture the width of field that the = camera is picking up.  When i first got it, i took it to NAMM in = january and filmed a bit of a singer songwriter and her band play on a = big out door stage. Once i realized i needed to use the low mic setting = to avoid clipping it sounded great and this was, again, standing in a = position where I favored one side of what I assume was a monoral PA rig. = I've Placed it a few feet in front of my acoustic guitar and it sounds = excellent as well, the mics are pretty amazing for what they are. = Sometimes specs don't tell the whole story.


A real = shame that Zoom crippled the product like that,
seems they realized = the mistake and equipped the new H1
with the correct 90 degree = angle.


Ok , I'm going to don my = turban and look in to my crystal ball and predict they will release an = updated version with improvements to the original, with hopefully = the following upgrades. A line in to take a direct signal and or a pair = of mic pres like the H4 and a line out that does not pass signal from = the mics unless you want it to, making it easier to simply plug in to a = monitor system and play back without the mics creating screeching = feedback if the piece you are monitoring stops and the mics come back on = line. I found this out the hard way trying to listen to tracks in my car = with the Q3 plugged in to my car sound system. When the tune I was = listening to ended, the mics kicked back in  EEEEEEEEEEEEOuch!!!! = Also an editor librarian that made it easy to extract the audio from the = video if you like how something turned out but the video image was = boring or embarrassing and you wanted to toss it. lastly it would be = cool if there was some zoom capability  but now I'm wishing for too = much. The Q3 is in no way a perfect product but it is really easy to use = and download, and it sounds great. As far as crippling the product, its = sold really well for them so some folks are happy. I really dig mine = though if I was solely interested in audio quality I would have picked = the H4.
Bill
= --Apple-Mail-2-480850158-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 01:02:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 605E33BE89; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 01:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <055901cb4d5f$9ef02040$925d0418@vulcan> From: "d.nix" To: References: <626340.78315.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4C83FF1E.30901@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 18:05:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 01:02:56 +0000 (UTC) >> I keep it on the Low sensitivity setting and > > drop the input volume to 75 from the default of 100. I use none of the > > internal compression schemes... Occasionally a drum or cymbal spike will > > cause it to clip, but that is very rare. > > > > er, it's a total waste of time dropping the recording volume to 75. > The distortion happens in the analog domain, and that vol > control is digital. > All I know is that if I *dont* lower that setting it _digitally_ clips and distorts, and if I do set it to 75 it does not distort. Therefore it's not a waste of time, regardless... :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 02:08:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C73F13BE85; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 02:08:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 03:08:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Steinberger? Opinions? X-Originating-Ip: 76.26.180.250 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100906020807.47D7A654F5C@c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: <11T9RC.A.nxB.I0EhMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 02:08:08 +0000 (UTC) Try Godin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Goodman" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Steinberger? Opinions? > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 20:16:08 +0100 >=20 >=20 > Hi Folks, >=20 > Another query from here: I decided not to go with one of Brian=20 > May's great guitars as they don't sound like something you could=20 > play softly without heavy processing... and also because I'm=20 > interested in some MIDI on the next guitar. And so, the=20 > Steinberger. I understand the original ones had the graphite-wood=20 > construction and the recent Spirits are all Maple. Beyond that I=20 > have yet to find too many London guitar shops to go try one out -=20 > but I'm curious as to your opinions regarding this axe. MIDI use=20 > anyone? Or am I wasting my efforts on the unit? >=20 > The opinions of this happy/scrappy group are as usual more than appreciat= ed. >=20 > Stephen Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net > http://www.earthlight.tv > * > Sent from a PC, not an iPhone > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 09:37:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 925683BE8B; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 09:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EZyuOlChZ3mggg2kDEB4CtlUQa2bgyltWqz6mbYw1Pw=; b=MQfvL5yKDBTeTa2jHxKxuU7RghAWX6wj2BDtYaQmPV5Sh8575+efvDZEY462YDlTfs ux+lI0waS5VhB2bK0MwyrPaSeyh4lHLhCQBQCUpjp8j+sCQHtf2vOAys+ehBEU+PpvZG bUozi4swJnEcN1GiVuhtknHEk+fCdjs0SCxms= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=S65JIwn/fyddcv0lxqYbQ9yPtkZ0bJRK7NCBwTbj1JhXwZBC6QAos3A1AD4CNt0UWk F0tatKcblgxlL8rR8idLMrmm/L5eFATW2MgTqH64IKflh5KIiOA7TJ10oFCJtYsrBP2l uoWRZ9mWr3uGYfhLqkEatAjMoZbACPuhLcTYU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:37:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT was Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00221538fc7616cb5f048f94098d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 09:37:58 +0000 (UTC) --00221538fc7616cb5f048f94098d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ....inevitably discussion here involves Nik Bartsch music. I have to admit that his music, and Steve Reich music as well, have ever fascinated me a lot. I've never really work on something like my Polymetric Counterpoint before = I discovered Nik Bartsch's music. As many of you already know, Bernhard the guy who introduced me to Bartsch 's music last year at the "In Rome Loopfest"...and at the same time, he introduced me to thelevi (or kosikas). I'm deeply grateful to him for that, because after practicing a bit on thelevi and on piano, I got surprised about what you can't obtain superimposing different metrics sharing the same "pulse". It sounds a bit mathematic, I know (and sometimes music can really "sounds" as it was just mathematic), but your creativity is the master of your ship and if if you can still follow your muse, while working on your 4 against 7= , you can obtain amazing results that sounds really musical. Just practice and try it. fabio www.eterogeneo.com PS: @Louis: happy to know that you too were "infected" by Bernhard's thelevi.... ;-) Let's play a "thelevi duo" set in Santa Cruz..... 2010/9/5 Louie Angulo > Thanx Rick,yes i saw Nich Barsch in Z=FCrich man what an excellent band! = they > play every monday night is too bad i have to work,but as soon as i had > vacation i went to see him > ive been digging the kosikas that Bernhard gave me(but im a real beginner > on them),they are great to learn polyrythms and his page is very informat= ive > though im still gathering infromation about this and keeping an eye on an= y > links where i can not only read about it but actually see it and hear it. > Hopefully we can sit down together in october and you can give me a quick > lesson as well! > cheers > Luis > > > On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > >> Luis wrote: >> "excellent Fabio!! id like to learn more about polyritmic counterpoint,i= f >> u guys have any links to good sources id be very thankful!....." >> >> >> For what it's worth, Luis (and everyone on this list), this is my >> specific professional field of expertise. >> >> I am always available to this list to answer questions about this and >> any other aspect of rhythmic theory, time permitting. Please ask. >> >> Rick Walker >> >> ps I was just thinking that I should have put 'off topic' on this thre= ad >> but I realize >> that the cyclical superimposition of regular time signatures is about as >> strong >> a looping concept as any. Before I looped the first time in the early >> 80's, I was very >> interested in Steve Reich, Harry Partch, Terry Riley and musics of Afric= a >> and Indonesia >> which have their own different paradigms about juxtaposing repeating >> rhythms. A >> good horn, funk band in the 70's was all about repeating parts. Now we >> just have machines to aid us in playing these kinds of musics, although= I >> should definitely name >> check the amazing Nik Bartsch' Ronin on ECM records if you want to hear >> some truly beautiful and real time odd time superimposition. >> >> pps Thanks mucho, Fabio, for generously donating your sales to the >> festival. >> We can use every single penny we get this year. >> >> > --00221538fc7616cb5f048f94098d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
....inevitably discussion here involves Nik Bartsch music.
I have to admit that his music, and Steve Reich music as well, have ev= er fascinated me a lot.
I've never really work on something like my Polymetric Counterpoin= t before I discovered Nik Bartsch's music.
As many of you already know, Bernhard the guy who introduced me to Bar= tsch 's music last year at the "In Rome Loopfest"...and at th= e same time, he introduced me to thelevi (or kosikas).
I'm deeply grateful to him for that, because after practicing a bi= t on thelevi=A0and on piano, I got surprised about what you can't obtai= n superimposing different metrics=A0sharing the same "pulse".
It sounds a bit mathematic, I know=A0(and sometimes=A0music can really= "sounds" as it was just mathematic), but your creativity is=A0 t= he master of your ship and if if you can still follow your muse, while work= ing on your 4 against 7, you can=A0obtain amazing=A0results that sounds rea= lly musical.
Just practice and try it.
=A0
fabio
=A0
PS: @Louis: happy to know that you too were "infected" by Be= rnhard's thelevi.... ;-)
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Let's pl= ay a "thelevi duo" set in Santa Cruz.....
=A0

=A0
2010/9/5 Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com&= gt;
Thanx Rick,yes i saw Nich Barsch= in Z=FCrich man what an excellent band! they play every monday night is to= o bad i have to work,but=A0 as soon as i had vacation i went to see him
ive been digging the kosikas that Bernhard gave me(but im a real beginner o= n them),they are great to learn polyrythms and his page is very informative= though im still gathering infromation about this and keeping an eye on any= links where i can not only read about it but actually see it and hear it.<= br> Hopefully we can sit down together in october and you can give me a quick l= esson as well!
cheers
Luis=20


On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
=A0Luis wrote:
&q= uot;excellent Fabio!! id like to learn more about polyritmic counterpoint,i= f u guys have any links to good sources id be very thankful!....."


For what it's worth, =A0Luis (and everyone on this list), this = is my specific professional field of expertise.

=A0 I am always avai= lable to this list to answer questions about this and any other aspect of r= hythmic theory, time permitting. =A0 =A0 Please ask.

Rick Walker

ps =A0 I was just thinking that I should have put &#= 39;off topic' on this thread but I realize
that the cyclical superim= position of regular time signatures is about as strong
a looping concept= as any. =A0 =A0Before I looped the first time in the early 80's, I was= very
interested in Steve Reich, Harry Partch, Terry Riley and musics of Africa a= nd Indonesia
which have their own different paradigms about juxtaposing = repeating rhythms. =A0A
good horn, funk band in the 70's was all abo= ut repeating parts. =A0 Now we just have machines to aid us in playing thes= e kinds of musics, =A0although I should definitely name
check the amazing Nik Bartsch' Ronin on ECM records if you want to hear= some truly beautiful and real time odd time superimposition.

pps = =A0 Thanks mucho, Fabio, for generously donating your sales to the festival= .
We can use every single penny we get this year.

<= br>

--00221538fc7616cb5f048f94098d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 09:41:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6782F3BE8A; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 09:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oUX1XElqQD+3qxILorB0+SrUe09/Qb9djvd4oGsfhCw=; b=MmCz6x8ti8oxHlzA00j8bagfelQd2kJC4vCglmvYuYSrHAR1O+Sj67WdcRg5OEUuFT s5f6iXg5C8ReRDPYeZLAppkTVoRGh9OJtC8Haymqo6PrJF+427j1xonPyUvNDpwFM061 cJrHV/FZTeITFIKJm+1IF9CpJmvZNUO4YjADE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gPpnLrufzOF5tt6kAHg94GwADwYvZzkGkTe8/fZtZV8QIY2fyxsnllxSxUYjDOuVa5 5wqbgDFAZgDFpnR7GAIAFHBNq0acbMo9cxMOY57IgQBCNNiD3OgfmD+ndG6xF0XjPGid jGaWDPBuPCBJJDB/6N9nd2XTwQxqcryjQXTGQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:41:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Podcasts? From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325564a268aec87048f9416d1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 09:41:44 +0000 (UTC) --000325564a268aec87048f9416d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Here's mine: http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/eterogeneo-minimal-ambient/id217423588 or if you are not an iTunes user: http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/eterogeneo.xml fabio www.eterogeneo.com 2010/9/4 Warren Sirota > >> Those of you with podcasts, how about making it easy for me (there must be > others who prefer podcast format) to listen to you and post links in this > thread? Thanks! > > > -- > Warren > http://www.warrensirota.com > CD: Loops, Live & Otw > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota > --000325564a268aec87048f9416d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's mine:
or if you=A0are not an iTunes user:
=A0
=A0
fabio
=A0


2010/9/4 Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com><= br>

Those of = you with podcasts, how about making it easy for me (there must be others wh= o prefer podcast format) to listen to you and post links in this thread? Th= anks!


--
Warren
http://www.warrensirota.com<= /a>
CD: Loops, Live & Otw
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota

--000325564a268aec87048f9416d1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 10:11:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE68D3BE90; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 10:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 332 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:11:36 UTC Message-ID: <6534375.314521283767562744.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 12:06:02 +0200 (CEST) From: "luigimeloni74@libero.it" Reply-To: "luigimeloni74@libero.it" To: Subject: R: Re: Steinberger? Opinions? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SenderIP: 151.49.239.171 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 10:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Well I've owned both a steinberger, and a spirit. The original steinberger has (for my opinion) a great sound if you want/need to use it through processors, but as far as "normal" guitar sounds I don't see too much difference with the new Spirits (a bit more definition). If you need a really versatile guitar a thing I suggest you is to find a Korean made Parker (since these seem to be in phase-out). I have one of the first P38 (single-single-hum) with the Wilkinson /Fishman tremolo and the quality and versatility is enormous, and they are more simple to find. I do prefer the steinberger neck shape, but the thin parker does a great job too (almost an '60s fender stratocaster to old charvel difference between the two...). The graphite necks (American steinbergers and american Parkers) tend to give a bit more attack and definition on the notes, and this is good for tracking in midi, but I've always used a midi pickup also on normal wooden guitars with great results. Luigi www.myspace.com/alt3redsounds >----Messaggio originale---- >Da: folkstone57@operamail.com >Data: 06/09/2010 4.08 >A: >Ogg: Re: Steinberger? Opinions? > >Try Godin > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stephen Goodman" >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Steinberger? Opinions? >> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 20:16:08 +0100 >> >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> Another query from here: I decided not to go with one of Brian >> May's great guitars as they don't sound like something you could >> play softly without heavy processing... and also because I'm >> interested in some MIDI on the next guitar. And so, the >> Steinberger. I understand the original ones had the graphite-wood >> construction and the recent Spirits are all Maple. Beyond that I >> have yet to find too many London guitar shops to go try one out - >> but I'm curious as to your opinions regarding this axe. MIDI use >> anyone? Or am I wasting my efforts on the unit? >> >> The opinions of this happy/scrappy group are as usual more than appreciated. >> >> Stephen Goodman >> EarthLight Productions >> * >> http://www.earthlight.net >> http://www.earthlight.tv >> * >> Sent from a PC, not an iPhone > >> > > > >Mark Showalter >Minden Jot! > >myspace.com/folkstone57 >http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter > > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: >Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 10:48:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4332F3BE8C; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 10:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 480224381/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.21/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.21 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIBADdkhExYbRgV/2dsb2JhbAAHk2DJboU9BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,324,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="480224381" Message-ID: <4C84C729.6030607@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:49:13 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders References: <626340.78315.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4C83FF1E.30901@tiscali.co.uk> <055901cb4d5f$9ef02040$925d0418@vulcan> In-Reply-To: <055901cb4d5f$9ef02040$925d0418@vulcan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_PTX4C.A.ZhC.bcMhMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 10:48:59 +0000 (UTC) d.nix wrote: >> er, it's a total waste of time dropping the recording volume to 75. >> The distortion happens in the analog domain, and that vol >> control is digital. >> > > All I know is that if I *dont* lower that setting it _digitally_ clips and > distorts, and if I do set it to 75 it does not distort. Therefore it's not a > waste of time, regardless... > > :-) > It's not impossible that your H2 behaves different to mine.. ...but surely that's very unlikely. I'd not argue that your "75" recording was actually distorted ...but I have to admit my first thought was that your band played a bit quieter, or the H2 was in a different position. ;-) Easy to settle the question (if you could be bothered :-) I'd be expecting to see that your file didn't have any peaks over what would correspond to the level of a distorted recording made at 75. If you've got bigger peaks than that in your file, then you're right and it's worth using the 75 setting. I've seen a number of comments on forums to say that the volume range beneath 100 on the Zoom H2 offers no advantage. I can assure you that I test stuff very thoroughly before criticising it, and that my only motivation is to help folks get best results on their recordings. I always have the volume at 100, I've never got digital clipping ..always analog. (it *is* very sharp clipping, but it's caused by the input to the D/A) I'm 100% certain you'd only get digital clipping if you put the volume up beyond 100...because at 100 you're getting exactly the full range of the converters. For critical recordings I use 24 bit and then convert to 16 after sorting the levels in an editor. The H2 *Is Capable Of Really Good Results* andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 11:14:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E19B3BE8B; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:14:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 485752699/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.21/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.21 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApEBAE9qhExYbRgV/2dsb2JhbAAH3VeFPQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,324,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="485752699" Message-ID: <4C84CD3B.6060607@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:15:07 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Zoom q3...I like it...honest References: <20100905212422.F168E3BEBA@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:14:54 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: > Andy sez: er.........like I said > >> the Q3 has it's microphones at 120 degrees. this bit here..... >> Thus while it works perfectly in Bill's >> setup to pick up his stereo monitors when you're micing up a pair of speakers there's *no* sound source in the center anyway, it's all "phantom image". Therefore good result. >> he plays, it's actually useless as a stereo recorder in most situations. >> (there simply is no such thing as a stereo recording >> setup with that config, just produces "hole in the middle" recordings.) > > OK MR rabbit ears I'm not hearing what you are hearing;-) twitch ..and on a visit to the zoom site, there's now no info about the 120degree angle. Of course I'm certain there used to be... ...but...um. Anyway, this is what Zoom say:- > Dear Andy Butler, > > Thank you for your inquiry. > > Although the built-in mics of the Q3 have a 120 degree stereo mic configuration, > I will forward your suggestion to the Q3 development team for future reference. > > The Q3 uses the same microphone capsules as the H4n. > > Sincerely yours, > ZOOM Corporation. seems maybe they did take notice... ...and simply removed the information that made their product less attractive. > sounded great and this was, again, standing in a position where I > favored one side of what I assume was a monoral PA rig. I've Placed it a > few feet in front of my acoustic guitar and it sounds excellent as well, > the mics are pretty amazing for what they are. Sometimes specs don't > tell the whole story. yep, same with a pa, the recorder isn't being called upon to reproduce a stereo image. Those cheap electret capsules very often produce good results. I've even had really good results recording saz and singing with a very cheap mic with capsules at 180 degrees . I treasure those recordings...and they indeed sound pretty good ...but while that "omni stereo" config is often found in mics it's never going to give a good stereo picture. I've seen some of your NAMM YouTube footage, and the H3 certainly works brilliantly in that context too. Luckily the wide mic angle helps to capture your comments which are made *behind* the camera. > >> >> A real shame that Zoom crippled the product like that, The Zoom H2 also has a (second) set of mics at 120degrees. I've been able to test those in comparison with the 90degree config, and my conclusion was that they produce an inferior stereo image. I don't buy the idea that the audio setup matches the video field of view...it would have to be ultra wide angle fish eye spectacular. Perhaps "crippled" is an overstatement, but for anyone wanting to get results as good as the H2, or H4(?) this is a deal breaker...and it didn't need to be. >> seems they realized the mistake and equipped the new H1 >> with the correct 90 degree angle. > > > Ok , I'm going to don my turban and look in to my crystal ball and > predict they will release an updated version with improvements to the > original, with hopefully the following upgrades. A line in to take a > direct signal and or a pair of mic pres like the H4 Dunnow about the H4 mic-pres, but those on the H2 are universally reviled. The line in on the H2 is also noticeably disappointing, I'd guess it's simply attenuated and fed to the mic pres. > and a line out that > does not pass signal from the mics unless you want it to, making it The H2 has that in it's menus, there's a monitor on/off setting. Surely the H3 has that? > Also an editor librarian that made it easy to > extract the audio from the video if you like how something turned out > but the video image was boring or embarrassing and you wanted to toss > it. yep, or they could put an "extract audio" command in there somewhere, along the lines of the "encode to mp3" feature the h2 has for audio. >lastly it would be cool if there was some zoom capability but now > I'm wishing for too much. The Q3 is in no way a perfect product but it > is really easy to use and download, and it sounds great. As far as > crippling the product, its sold really well for them so some folks are > happy. I really dig mine though if I was solely interested in audio > quality I would have picked the H4. > Bill The H2 is also by no means a perfect product...I'm very happy it...but I'd only recommend it for a limited number of applications. The ability to unobtrusively record an acoustic instrument (when used on a little camera stand) is most satisfactory. (and portability is 100%) I'd love to be able to recommend the H1...it *should* be an excellent product...it *should* give similar results to the H2, be easier to use, and solve the record level issues, but I don't trust Zoom not to produce an inferior product and rely on sales-speak to sell it. (try asking them *why* the latest Zoom capsules on the newer products are "better"....they won't answer). andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 15:21:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 666E83BE8F; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 15:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 877656.57771.bm@omp122.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283786475; bh=u1ggKwfZCV7OazlCJo9R9ufxdDjzF5LQNb5uXwaRh9E=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4LXUgE0hV0tXqCB2qTHfkD2CXWBOwcYa8jl9yg4PkND/TRze61X56rTAdW+ox5l3qcTCim22V72gADuQoxZRTswonyEmOPggjlgHjdrdHKAXOvGtaXKQO//dtcpu7UPGgzs/RK6vPEt9N933KC/N8HfBENANaIT8HnlCp13rCmo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uNGJ7JiBwVbrAPbRLI+r+xqjRsj0/hZu3tkxh2mh16ZhcAwuGjPmuQXOWgFEAZM79BP8U73xmV0RV0jgu8lXDQ95jZrl4p1fwbfIBsIPYLTjmJXVSeHnGPnpsWupyjKKBE+kiIWSPWGZ9JYNO3mqxxYKHcdUWeWcOFW4cEe4wU4=; Message-ID: <724117.2788.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ALR1ACwVM1mGMX9fZK9kdjSLXFKyXob_CbZ4pq3ABI8ADUr HOWcyDsiUIqJAC6lclJSDgpNMLDM3rQny9hPmFMZSI4PsXakfeXfLEqhmp7f UYLMJZAUi2n.bGo5RFj6A_n0wvdNOdciosonW69iFnxgt6muz7ZwebNUDjk. _ar5nieUBJkUERHBBSClAPsCSUE7n12UfGcypdTm.sbfKUdGrcw9JbQwrbvo A4yI57pFQ4.PvfLrmqJV4PwXXpVLxblnJkrnsDFz.byWXDGuVLS7pZstFH7q f7xRYwzVS0qhAyVYTgi7upWDoO4i7WYqFZk4ySHPoUelI9tjLtgkUHD6vNZK Brug2lUyFpys- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <348916.91229.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 08:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Self promotion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-112136440-1283786475=:2788" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 15:21:16 +0000 (UTC) --0-112136440-1283786475=:2788 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks Matt Antony Hequet ________________________________ From: Matt Stevens To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 12:49:39 PM Subject: Re: Self promotion and more stuff :) http://www.liveunsigned.com/blog Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 3 Sep 2010, at 21:04, Antony Hequet wrote: There is a lot of info on your web site, I am looking thru it! >Antony Hequet > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 2010-09-03, at 20:39, Matt Stevens wrote: > > >Glad to help :) >> >> >>Matt Stevens >>www.mattstevensguitar.com >>mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >> >> >> >> >> >>On 3 Sep 2010, at 17:04, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: >> >>hello Matt, >>>sorry for the slow answer. I have no internet access till next wednesday. Thanks >>>for the most useful information. Will be back in touch after wednesday. >>> >>>Antony Hequet >>>poet composer >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: Matt Stevens >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:28:05 PM >>>Subject: Re: Self promotion >>> >>>How to promote yourself online >>> >>> >>>http://mattstevensguitar.com/page20.htm >>> >>> >>>List of loop friendly bloggers/podcasters >>> >>> >>>http://mattstevensguitar.com/page14.htm >>> >>> >>>Hope this helps >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Matt Stevens >>>www.mattstevensguitar.com >>>mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On 31 Aug 2010, at 21:20, Antony Hequet wrote: >>> >>>Please forgive me for letting this fly bye me, someone posted am article about. >>>Self promotion/production. The source was CD Baby and I believe the person >>>posting or comenting was Andy Butler. Would you please forward the link again. I >>>am setting up to publish my own stuff and could use some pointers. >>>>Antony Hequet >>>>Poet composer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> --0-112136440-1283786475=:2788 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
thanks Matt
Antony Hequet


From: Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 12:49:39 PM
Subject: Re: Self promotion

and more stuff :)



On 3 Sep 2010, at 21:04, Antony Hequet wrote:

There is a lot of info on your web site, I am looking thru it!
Antony Hequet

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-09-03, at 20:39, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:

Glad to help :)


On 3 Sep 2010, at 17:04, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote:

hello Matt,
sorry for the slow answer. I have no internet access till next wednesday. Thanks for the most useful information. Will be back in touch after wednesday.

Antony Hequet
poet composer


From: Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:28:05 PM
Subject: Re: Self promotion

How to promote yourself online


List of loop friendly bloggers/podcasters


Hope this helps



On 31 Aug 2010, at 21:20, Antony Hequet wrote:

Please forgive me for letting this fly bye me, someone posted am article about. Self promotion/production. The source was CD Baby and I believe the person posting or comenting was Andy Butler. Would you please forward the link again. I am setting up to publish my own stuff and could use some pointers.
Antony Hequet
Poet composer











--0-112136440-1283786475=:2788-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 16:17:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A96A3BE8B; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yK1j00ye5ohw5bmNBoPGe6L4nzYl95F2o3iZfcbFkx4=; b=tNE6kYcBucSCHrd8RnsH5Vfqb8JHa/ygMVnaKv6+xdGff592d32gsl0owvQaPvSpf1 MTdZixOr7iXeonsK5XfAcuL1ICMkTOGCQ3cu9m0NPuF4ECk3f3jG3vZ1pl+FSWfGhAwH vK4Wj83ocJ+ZqO8LB0F53p8kMYWQX5ddpty0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=li4nh1ZvhNRimXBPwcqtrXKYGHAMXFPvqpfL44S7Yur2mOxMCPNJuAj+EE7qjQ8DHU xUwx8ODc0C1INFy4XI7nPUAbSVnanec/ddiaxLQHxrTfxOViL7a+QnlSGmINzmvN8joP HVnTy5gnatQZ8hUq9hD7vskXDWyU7awu+JXXc= Message-ID: <4C851435.6060401@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:17:57 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders References: <626340.78315.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4C83FF1E.30901@tiscali.co.uk> <055901cb4d5f$9ef02040$925d0418@vulcan> <4C84C729.6030607@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4C84C729.6030607@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3fN_gD.A.1d.uQRhMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Ok, for completeness, I did really try to find out what the level thing does (both for line-in and mic sources), using a proper test setup, and the level setting does effect things post-converter, thus rendering it practically useless. andy butler schrieb: > d.nix wrote: >>> er, it's a total waste of time dropping the recording volume to 75. >>> The distortion happens in the analog domain, and that vol >>> control is digital. >>> >> >> All I know is that if I *dont* lower that setting it _digitally_ >> clips and >> distorts, and if I do set it to 75 it does not distort. Therefore >> it's not a >> waste of time, regardless... >> >> :-) >> > > It's not impossible that your H2 behaves different to mine.. > ...but surely that's very unlikely. > > I'd not argue that your "75" recording was actually distorted ...but I > have to admit my first thought was that your band played a bit > quieter, or the H2 was in a different position. > ;-) -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 16:47:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C7553BE8B; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:47:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:47:26 UTC Message-ID: <0DBA0221CC2845B59BFD5ADD9AA4BCCE@office> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: Subject: Re: Podcasts? Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 12:39:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:47:26 +0000 (UTC) When I click on a link on your .xml page, Windows Media Player opens and plays the song, but the browser window completely closes. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Fabio_A Here's mine: http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/eterogeneo-minimal-ambient/id217423588 or if you are not an iTunes user: http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/eterogeneo.xml fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 17:03:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5A483BE8E; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 17:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT was Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 10:03:06 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1F3514E2-230D-4443-A2A1-FAC68A5B306B@grubmah.com> References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 17:03:08 +0000 (UTC) One of my early bits of recorded looping is all drifty on the actual = loop part (Roland GR-500 into Digitech RDS3600) but was built on top of = a drum pattern built out of several cycles of different lengths = carefully programmed into a Korg DDM-110 and DDM-220. The bass line was = also somewhat inspired by Terry Riley's In C in that that I wrote down a = series of figures and handed them to the bass player I was working with = and said play these in sequence at whatever rate of progression feels = right to you. I don't think he particularly appreciated trying to work = with the drum pattern, however. http://grubmah.com/music/midnight_train.mp3 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 18:17:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 467B83BE8E; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 18:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=W0gXwJ54g4HQ4d3bek6qEqNS+0yXWoNZFmK9+hKeYFA=; b=SU8v4DE5KU+PMwKcvmFVV+I3amx2ztGhoSrLovhwyjNLP4YHe73sIxfwxc0cPi+9Y6 YLBD6uT/LqSNG8PiydDBm5TzkIB6fi19ZGfjmiMEZcIeeW2P7XOKbPsrLRTA6ylEEzOY fyD+fmtlgW9f4d+3xxi7tVTD7yPi6zoPquuFc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=dep2u0piDtLv1OTLNSM2B70v58xHexBzVzWgO07oLpHlWFCun83AujFyC3P+COXVu2 DTXkPm3ZeS78Kt/d0yUbOLBVDmDfSv3vmIszF/rau3xhOY7wK6L/7qFwr4ZK6SpC2iN4 ftOQd5yMhkyx8UHVGLfb6fZYmkKBTwmkDW+7M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F171.3080809@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:17:02 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a9lXTUukOXzFb2BFeaBh9QzZXt8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cdd64bba49d048f9b4a30 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 18:17:24 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cdd64bba49d048f9b4a30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > HOw do you remember the notes on your guitar? Doesn't it have 144 > frets where you may push down a string... > ha ha.. nope.. cant remember any of them... -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0015175cdd64bba49d048f9b4a30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
HOw do you remember the notes on your guitar? Doesn't i= t have 144
frets where you may push down a string...

ha ha= ..=A0 nope.. cant remember any of them...


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--0015175cdd64bba49d048f9b4a30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 18:45:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED73D3BE8B; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 18:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+h2lr6eaXXl3Dbvhv3mhqsqsSwY2248Zz+grMY+PR6E=; b=sXxmqQHRjyEwX6e4aB4s7rebt9YXTHGmaPPrbXjyPUzqYW7TbD0XOAPR4jKyqPptOq 1mfq+9XrS7xdK9zX+2h/Xz19vHpfwuBt0cjlmZGLuuW931Gn6HDxT/AYb/1Bu1V9powC O661p3bZZCyCN/ZGvmCJQVvU5w6hnrHcRUGDw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OkEJkOWrHDpNhcMf6RP4yy7C3WUdkSXT6eO0GH7FuX9je4q0rZKmeTpDem2LzZP/B+ QWYJcqA9M+1Obz99Wg3RuWAzkSy+/sYCvViRdpqQuXKYLDkH0upO+769jYi20eAPWXtF h+A1iwGO75NLSyr1tG5AbqQrMgBZHW1WGn8os= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F171.3080809@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:45:35 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dancing in the Little Giant on FCB graveyard :-) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 18:45:36 +0000 (UTC) > On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> HOw do you remember the notes on your guitar? Doesn't it have 144 >> frets where you may push down a string... On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:17 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > ha ha..=C2=A0 nope.. cant remember any of them... But you play all those frets anyway! Well, there you see - if you *play* it there is no need for remembering every technical detail in analytical way. A looper is just another instrument. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 19:51:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E64DE3BE8E; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 19:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05f601cb4dfd$3a168490$925d0418@vulcan> From: "d.nix" To: References: <626340.78315.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4C83FF1E.30901@tiscali.co.uk> <055901cb4d5f$9ef02040$925d0418@vulcan> <4C84C729.6030607@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 12:53:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 19:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Hey Andy, I'd be happy to send you a file if you'd like to look at the peaks and what not. I doubt my recordings are pristine by any measure; I'm not doing any critical recording for sure, these are just rehearsal and jam recordings, and I'm using the 192k MP3 settings to keep file sizes portable, and using the 90 deg angle front stereo pair. I have a permanent mount, a mike gooseneck, about 6 ' high on the wall in the corner of our rehearsal space that the H2 is mounted on. It's a rectangular room about 20' x 12' with 10' ceiling that slopes. The drummer is in the far corner diagonally away from the H2, I (guitar) am on the long wall, basically facing the drums, and the bass player is on the far short wall, facing the drum kit, so no speakers directly face the H2. The drums/cymbols are the only thing that directly face the mikes. The room is about 80% carpeted on all surfaces, save for the ceiling and upper portions of the walls. Typically, it's drums or cymbols that cause hot peaks when they happen... I think I just have it far enough away that I'm not hammering the mike capsules, plus the fact we dont have the guitar or bass aimed at the mikes. When I record I'm generally getting about -7db levels on average, and run everything thru the normalizing processor on Audacity post recording to bring thing up to -3db before I cut things into individual songs and post them for my band mates. I do keep the raw recording around, so I can grab an example should you want to see it. Again, it's just documenting things, not critical recording - though I have set the H2 up in my living room and recorded a moderate volume guitar/amp rig using the medium gain settings and more critical mike placement and gotten really nice results... maybe not as nice as a true studio mike like a Sennheiser or Rode would give, but pretty darn good. I am however really dissapointed with the line in level on the H2, it's complete rubbish. We wasted a whole day close miking everyone only to discover we couldnt pad the signal down enough to not clip the input... Regards- Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 3:49 AM Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders > d.nix wrote: > >> er, it's a total waste of time dropping the recording volume to 75. > >> The distortion happens in the analog domain, and that vol > >> control is digital. > >> > > > > All I know is that if I *dont* lower that setting it _digitally_ clips and > > distorts, and if I do set it to 75 it does not distort. Therefore it's not a > > waste of time, regardless... > > > > :-) > > > > It's not impossible that your H2 behaves different to mine.. > ...but surely that's very unlikely. > > I'd not argue that your "75" recording was actually distorted > ...but I have to admit my first thought was that your band played a bit > quieter, or the H2 was in a different position. > ;-) > > Easy to settle the question (if you could be bothered :-) > I'd be expecting to see that your file didn't have > any peaks over what would correspond to the level of a distorted recording > made at 75. > If you've got bigger peaks than that in your file, then you're right > and it's worth using the 75 setting. > > I've seen a number of comments on forums to say that the > volume range beneath 100 on the Zoom H2 offers no advantage. > I can assure you that I test stuff very thoroughly before > criticising it, and that my only motivation is to help folks > get best results on their recordings. > > > > I always have the volume at 100, I've never got digital clipping > ..always analog. (it *is* very sharp clipping, but it's caused by the input to the D/A) > I'm 100% certain you'd only get digital clipping > if you put the volume up beyond 100...because at 100 > you're getting exactly the full range of the converters. > > > For critical recordings I use 24 bit and then > convert to 16 after sorting the levels in an editor. > > > The H2 > *Is Capable Of Really Good Results* > > andy > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 20:25:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 092C63BE8F; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C854E21.1060602@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 13:25:05 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Can San Francisca looper help house 3 European loopers on October 11th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, Per Boysen (Sweden), Mark Francombe (Norway by way of England) and Massimo Liverani (Italy) are flying in to SFO on October 11th. I was wondering if anyone in San Francisco (or the East Bay) could put them up for that evening and , perhaps, show them around San Francisco and leave them at SFO before they are picked up with all the other artists coming in from around the world on October 12th. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 21:32:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77E803BE91; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=e/pzT/iJGcZRhb4OSSnTL024Pj/Q53mNB5lI0BjhXno=; b=B2SUvnYDyh5GSO5GZLbeHv04Ik0ocL3gfSZbF2Jusc7h8HmJjqmbHHehUERNhady7M HoZ62s7QF0X6uB0uAwlmog8pWVFUo1cs26rGCyPCaHEotq808dN9c/tKoJdv2a5RQEZf Yn8dw9X6blNsYMK2BLIhI2zgBv5JJQipCXfp4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qR0KJ8biX/2plYCdO5h0ZGMzd0Wthju/Y90KsYHfiAbdEqKW0y+oh6y3PLeNxqj6KS I7LygyZCmLruN9J2D+1DJ5BLYY5NZZyT6b1QWkmCIWeH8geeZfGeaeBcdBMBy4M2x8RN ZRQ4/8znPSf+iW11eADNxPUJtHr3NvA9NlLCw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 23:32:11 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT was Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e887e5d6e6d98048f9e03d0 Resent-Message-ID: <6rzRN.A.-UE.d3VhMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:32:13 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e887e5d6e6d98048f9e03d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh Fabio man,im just in the begining stages actually you need to give me some lessons! you are probably very good now,isee you been messin with it a lot longer!! but they are really cool and fun to learn polyrythms with, but man it takes pracitce,practice.practice cheers Luis On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Fabio_A wrote: > ....inevitably discussion here involves Nik Bartsch music. > I have to admit that his music, and Steve Reich music as well, have ever > fascinated me a lot. > I've never really work on something like my Polymetric Counterpoint befor= e > I discovered Nik Bartsch's music. > As many of you already know, Bernhard the guy who introduced me to Bartsc= h > 's music last year at the "In Rome Loopfest"...and at the same time, he > introduced me to thelevi (or kosikas). > I'm deeply grateful to him for that, because after practicing a bit on > thelevi and on piano, I got surprised about what you can't obtain > superimposing different metrics sharing the same "pulse". > It sounds a bit mathematic, I know (and sometimes music can really "sound= s" > as it was just mathematic), but your creativity is the master of your sh= ip > and if if you can still follow your muse, while working on your 4 against= 7, > you can obtain amazing results that sounds really musical. > Just practice and try it. > > fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > PS: @Louis: happy to know that you too were "infected" by Bernhard's > thelevi.... ;-) > Let's play a "thelevi duo" set in Santa Cruz..... > > > > 2010/9/5 Louie Angulo > > Thanx Rick,yes i saw Nich Barsch in Z=FCrich man what an excellent band! = they >> play every monday night is too bad i have to work,but as soon as i had >> vacation i went to see him >> ive been digging the kosikas that Bernhard gave me(but im a real beginne= r >> on them),they are great to learn polyrythms and his page is very informa= tive >> though im still gathering infromation about this and keeping an eye on a= ny >> links where i can not only read about it but actually see it and hear it= . >> Hopefully we can sit down together in october and you can give me a quic= k >> lesson as well! >> cheers >> Luis >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Rick Walker wrote= : >> >>> Luis wrote: >>> "excellent Fabio!! id like to learn more about polyritmic counterpoint,= if >>> u guys have any links to good sources id be very thankful!....." >>> >>> >>> For what it's worth, Luis (and everyone on this list), this is my >>> specific professional field of expertise. >>> >>> I am always available to this list to answer questions about this and >>> any other aspect of rhythmic theory, time permitting. Please ask. >>> >>> Rick Walker >>> >>> ps I was just thinking that I should have put 'off topic' on this >>> thread but I realize >>> that the cyclical superimposition of regular time signatures is about a= s >>> strong >>> a looping concept as any. Before I looped the first time in the earl= y >>> 80's, I was very >>> interested in Steve Reich, Harry Partch, Terry Riley and musics of Afri= ca >>> and Indonesia >>> which have their own different paradigms about juxtaposing repeating >>> rhythms. A >>> good horn, funk band in the 70's was all about repeating parts. Now w= e >>> just have machines to aid us in playing these kinds of musics, althoug= h I >>> should definitely name >>> check the amazing Nik Bartsch' Ronin on ECM records if you want to hear >>> some truly beautiful and real time odd time superimposition. >>> >>> pps Thanks mucho, Fabio, for generously donating your sales to the >>> festival. >>> We can use every single penny we get this year. >>> >>> >> > --e0cb4e887e5d6e6d98048f9e03d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh Fabio man,im just in the begining stages actually you need to give = me some lessons!
you are probably=A0very good=A0now,isee you=A0been messin with it a lo= t longer!!
but they are really cool and fun=A0to learn polyrythms with,=A0but man= it takes pracitce,practice.practice
cheers
Luis

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com= > wrote:
....inevitably discussion here involves Nik Bartsch music.
I have to admit that his music, and Steve Reich music as well, have ev= er fascinated me a lot.
I've never really work on something like my Polymetric Counterpoin= t before I discovered Nik Bartsch's music.
As many of you already know, Bernhard the guy who introduced me to Bar= tsch 's music last year at the "In Rome Loopfest"...and at th= e same time, he introduced me to thelevi (or kosikas).
I'm deeply grateful to him for that, because after practicing a bi= t on thelevi=A0and on piano, I got surprised about what you can't obtai= n superimposing different metrics=A0sharing the same "pulse".
It sounds a bit mathematic, I know=A0(and sometimes=A0music can really= "sounds" as it was just mathematic), but your creativity is=A0 t= he master of your ship and if if you can still follow your muse, while work= ing on your 4 against 7, you can=A0obtain amazing=A0results that sounds rea= lly musical.
Just practice and try it.
=A0
fabio
=A0
PS: @Louis: happy to know that you too were "infected" by Be= rnhard's thelevi.... ;-)
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Let's pl= ay a "thelevi duo" set in Santa Cruz.....
=A0

=A0
2010/9/5 Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@g= ooglemail.com>=20

Thanx Rick,yes i saw Nich Barsch= in Z=FCrich man what an excellent band! they play every monday night is to= o bad i have to work,but=A0 as soon as i had vacation i went to see him
ive been digging the kosikas that Bernhard gave me(but im a real beginner o= n them),they are great to learn polyrythms and his page is very informative= though im still gathering infromation about this and keeping an eye on any= links where i can not only read about it but actually see it and hear it.<= br> Hopefully we can sit down together in october and you can give me a quick l= esson as well!
cheers
Luis=20


On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
=A0Luis wrote:
&q= uot;excellent Fabio!! id like to learn more about polyritmic counterpoint,i= f u guys have any links to good sources id be very thankful!....."


For what it's worth, =A0Luis (and everyone on this list), this = is my specific professional field of expertise.

=A0 I am always avai= lable to this list to answer questions about this and any other aspect of r= hythmic theory, time permitting. =A0 =A0 Please ask.

Rick Walker

ps =A0 I was just thinking that I should have put &#= 39;off topic' on this thread but I realize
that the cyclical superim= position of regular time signatures is about as strong
a looping concept= as any. =A0 =A0Before I looped the first time in the early 80's, I was= very
interested in Steve Reich, Harry Partch, Terry Riley and musics of Africa a= nd Indonesia
which have their own different paradigms about juxtaposing = repeating rhythms. =A0A
good horn, funk band in the 70's was all abo= ut repeating parts. =A0 Now we just have machines to aid us in playing thes= e kinds of musics, =A0although I should definitely name
check the amazing Nik Bartsch' Ronin on ECM records if you want to hear= some truly beautiful and real time odd time superimposition.

pps = =A0 Thanks mucho, Fabio, for generously donating your sales to the festival= .
We can use every single penny we get this year.

<= br>


--e0cb4e887e5d6e6d98048f9e03d0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 21:35:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3D0F3BE92; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3DRGsqdka+EvBeF3k/O4kjEJA+d2iWXDPtJV3kRt5Ik=; b=Q0lLn3CMgcyGHQNu+pXkQAW7nwhqZAcecwkEqy9S8QdhqV37BDVcjWun4NEqk1Xlu/ fXKgjL/CnYQiP5gBVg1PkMiWwLKKIJRYEP61vzwLx5lG8deHEtWFWqK3ouk++AiAgDUU NaTlu+V40AhoWYw2iJj48+HxSnRsZLePT0MZk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=aSMVgZ7q+Z0QQcBSCNbumvs3YAgeMDhBcvHkjXZCLhL1q46NIRkkS9c2tN/0zHMFo9 Jxh2tkZuaHkW3vWEMcE8XOtXD1zegrVFZDvyStmEKWGmrT0WvtWWkXFVuddif81R+2+L NIkwqQDP4iUr+ZhW9718bHVGDQaXUCe/ebr/I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1F3514E2-230D-4443-A2A1-FAC68A5B306B@grubmah.com> References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <1F3514E2-230D-4443-A2A1-FAC68A5B306B@grubmah.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 23:35:53 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT was Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630f8c19d0506048f9e1057 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:35:54 +0000 (UTC) --00163630f8c19d0506048f9e1057 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i also love the poly intros on Peter Gabriels "San Jacinto" and the original recording of "no self control" on the melting face album,i know he was into this kinds fo composers and the whole african,gamelan and world musics when he did those albums,but ive never quite figured out what exactly he is doing there,anybody? On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > One of my early bits of recorded looping is all drifty on the actual loop > part (Roland GR-500 into Digitech RDS3600) but was built on top of a drum > pattern built out of several cycles of different lengths carefully > programmed into a Korg DDM-110 and DDM-220. The bass line was also somewhat > inspired by Terry Riley's In C in that that I wrote down a series of figures > and handed them to the bass player I was working with and said play these in > sequence at whatever rate of progression feels right to you. I don't think > he particularly appreciated trying to work with the drum pattern, however. > > http://grubmah.com/music/midnight_train.mp3 > > Mark > > --00163630f8c19d0506048f9e1057 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i also love the poly intros on Peter Gabriels "San Jacinto" and t= he original recording of=A0"no self control" on the melting face = album,i know he was into this kinds fo composers and the whole african,game= lan and world musics=A0when he did those albums,but ive never quite figured= out what exactly he is doing there,anybody?

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com= > wrote:
One of my early bits of recorded= looping is all drifty on the actual loop part (Roland GR-500 into Digitech= RDS3600) but was built on top of a drum pattern built out of several cycle= s of different lengths carefully programmed into a Korg DDM-110 and DDM-220= . The bass line was also somewhat inspired by Terry Riley's In C in tha= t that I wrote down a series of figures and handed them to the bass player = I was working with and said play these in sequence at whatever rate of prog= ression feels right to you. I don't think he particularly appreciated t= rying to work with the drum pattern, however.

http://grubmah.com/music/midnight_train.mp3

Mark


--00163630f8c19d0506048f9e1057-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 21:42:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05CF63BE93; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tNqRhlDZHsz3HGdSafY9VYBBxnxhM51iyzXSgDToYIg=; b=wAt/I1DlYt/yPyGMOrT1M5/bvl/BccZtKjNuT+JBb8S1/O5TlMgkjmZfUhV7V4L6m9 X3IVMj8k2IwWcsHI1C98/LTbg3Y5wtLHuGjoD7EA/dAny17o1KpraVXy6UdVACR+L80Z iyz0jzVyt/m66MydqiXf7DvH+57Y5/N8ToLIg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=vSNTrAsvwp8ROknAtN4VATTpwyKY+f8tCgr1F8hDd9eXeRrYhkfnVf1V28RjrRTZ2Q fGXW5PFspoMJi3kCYESBp154omj7LdsSboAyGOooI2C5Qe6ujVDmNlCho0YmrfSicFa5 rcfdPEQNnGrK3Fxfba1EmnyRPUMys+9wcVCmQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 23:42:47 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Podcasts? From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630f8c14daaea048f9e29bf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:42:47 +0000 (UTC) --00163630f8c14daaea048f9e29bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hers is the LD Podcast http://itunes.apple.com/lb/podcast/loopers-delight-community/id251129406 cheers Luis On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > >> Those of you with podcasts, how about making it easy for me (there must be > others who prefer podcast format) to listen to you and post links in this > thread? Thanks! > > > -- > Warren > http://www.warrensirota.com > CD: Loops, Live & Otw > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota > --00163630f8c14daaea048f9e29bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hers is the LD Podcast
=A0
cheers
Luis
=A0
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesi= gns.com> wrote:

Those of = you with podcasts, how about making it easy for me (there must be others wh= o prefer podcast format) to listen to you and post links in this thread? Th= anks!


--
Warren
http://www.warrensirota.com<= /a>
CD: Loops, Live & Otw
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota

--00163630f8c14daaea048f9e29bf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 21:47:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AC143BE91; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C85615B.3070605@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 14:47:07 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7_IQk.A.l1E.gFWhMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:47:12 +0000 (UTC) I misposted the name of my portable digital recorder. It is the Olympus LS-10 (NOT the DS-10) And I just googled it and found it for $207 online. http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/EP99096444.htm?utm_medium=productsearch&utm_source=google It's vastly superior, from my experience, to the Zoom H2: more solidly built, better positioning of the onboard (and excellent) condenser mics and able to control level line inputs...............has 2 gigs onboard memory and the use of up to huge SD cards. I don't understand why more people don't have this excellent unit. I swear buy it and will only sell it if I try to get myself a Zoom Q3 like my brother has for convenience sake. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 22:01:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C1E33BE8E; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 22:01:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6FE5FFA2-E2CB-4A30-A635-4F5C19007722@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100906213213.E93E83BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 15:00:56 -0700 References: <20100906213213.E93E83BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 22:01:03 +0000 (UTC) Rainer wrote: > Ok, for completeness, I did really try to find out what the level > thing does (both for line-in and mic sources), using a proper test > setup, and the level setting does effect things post-converter, thus > rendering it practically useless. > Good to know, a feature thats not a feature Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 22:17:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B8373BE8D; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 22:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <20762120-89B0-471D-A9D2-3732FEE6B251@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 15:17:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <8IPlrD.A.PqF.OiWhMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 22:17:50 +0000 (UTC) I just downloaded this track Fabio, thanks alot for the support and a really cool piece with great sound. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 22:30:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 394663BE91; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 22:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 486181519/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.181.109/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.181.109 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIBAIMIhUxV0rVt/2dsb2JhbAAHk0HLY4U9BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,327,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="486181519" Message-ID: <4C856B94.3090404@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 23:30:44 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: portable audio recorders References: <626340.78315.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4C83FF1E.30901@tiscali.co.uk> <055901cb4d5f$9ef02040$925d0418@vulcan> <4C84C729.6030607@tiscali.co.uk> <05f601cb4dfd$3a168490$925d0418@vulcan> In-Reply-To: <05f601cb4dfd$3a168490$925d0418@vulcan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 22:30:29 +0000 (UTC) d.nix wrote: > Hey Andy, > > I'd be happy to send you a file if you'd like to look at the peaks and what > not. I doubt my recordings are pristine by any measure; I'm not doing any > critical recording for sure, these are just rehearsal and jam recordings, > and I'm using the 192k MP3 settings to keep file sizes portable, and using > the 90 deg angle front stereo pair. ahh, I reckon that explains it. I bet it's down to the fact that mp3 handles clipped signal quite badly (the reconstituted signal very likely to be a digital "over" even tho' the original before encoding was within limits) and that the 75 volume setting helps with that. ( I've had slightly clipped recordings in .wav, and they don't sound bad at all as long as it's only the drum transients, but I never used mp3). I'll add that to my list of useful stuff to know about the H2. :-) thanx Usually I put the H2 over the drums, but pointing across them at the amps...(the drummer I play with has a very light touch). It gives quite a good balance...and makes the kit sound good. > > I am however really dissapointed with the line in level on the H2, it's > complete rubbish. We wasted a whole day close miking everyone only to > discover we couldnt pad the signal down enough to not clip the input... Yep, the first desk recording I made was badly distorted, while the H2 meters showed "all good", disappointing. Anything over -10dB will be clipped, which is stupid, a -10dB input is not only a standard that no-one uses any more, but should have *some* headroom. I made myself a special lead with a couple of resistors in each channel. In>--- 100k --+-------< Out | | 10k (view with fixed width font) If you or a band member is happy with a soldering iron I'd recommend giving it a go. It works fine, though I don't think the H2 line input is great quality wise. andy > > Regards- > > Dave > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 22:40:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C86C83BE91; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 22:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <45944BE6-A0F5-4B15-82A1-E39FC6F1C739@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Kim's memorial Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 15:40:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 22:40:11 +0000 (UTC) I have been so busy and so much in my own world lately that I forgot to share my experience attending Kim's memorial, August 14th. Ted killian, Rick and I attended the memorial at the Lawrence Hall of Science high in the berkley hills. We arrive painfully late due to work commitments, but were able to meet and interact a bit with members of his family and friends. It was completely fogged in with a strong steady wind, very eire when one ventured outside, as if the spirits were hurtling past you. It was good to connect however briefly and share some experiences with Kim's mom and dad, and there was even some levity at the end with people playing with the interactive exhibits, the highlight for me being a ride on the roller coaster simulator. Later we repaired to a favorite bar of Kim's and Violets to share a few beers and listen to the house band play, and cover Wish You Were Here in Kim's honor. There were no dry eyes in the party. I hope everyone will buy a copy of Violet's download if you haven't already, she is trying to keep this great site going and needs our help. bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 6 23:14:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C05D03BE92; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 23:14:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <94D13461-29C8-412E-AA53-9697E0EB7E94@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-564990388 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: New youtube post Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:14:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 23:14:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-564990388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey y'all, I was working in the studio yesterday and recorded this acoustic lap steel improv. I had neglected to start rolling video until i had built a few tracks up, so rather than be the usual build from scratch it starts about two minutes in. The track also features both pre and post loop delay and delayed pitch shift tracks, notably the TC fireworx acting as the post looper effects with an expression pedal controlling effects mix and the same polyrhythmic delay setting on both the Fireworx and my pre loop delays from the M-9, both processors are synchronized to the LP-1's first loop. more details of what I used are in the tag line. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqZgh7NxNMQ Enjoy and feel free to subscribe to my Youtube site Thanks Bill --Apple-Mail-1-564990388 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey y'all, I was working in the = studio yesterday and recorded this acoustic lap steel improv. I had = neglected to start rolling video until i had built a few tracks up, so = rather than be the usual build from scratch it starts about two minutes = in. The track also features both pre and post loop delay and =  delayed pitch shift tracks, notably the TC fireworx acting as the = post looper effects with an expression pedal controlling  effects = mix and  the same polyrhythmic delay setting on both the Fireworx = and my pre loop delays from the M-9, both processors are synchronized to = the LP-1's first loop. more details of what I used are in the tag = line.
 Enjoy and feel free to = subscribe to my Youtube = site
 Thanks
 Bill
= --Apple-Mail-1-564990388-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 00:11:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2FFE3BE92; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 00:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ydpZyWuypcfI/jG2+N1YzOqV0aRanN/oyEIvSARk0ss=; b=Ny2R8eMAqLJrXvpp+MCMG7noXNk4u7HK5MEC5uORyG+W4u6862r1wj/nc+u93Fq6Hx Wn7QF8E3OBUDpjbdw8QVE9QQjNrESd5ghgZsrQtZqRGf1wI8zolg497FOTNoSP9am+UH jxY4tw+T2X51868kDYBl8Mldn95BhMwL0xZxM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=SzDMNbAncDl02sVTo0CybcLY8ygflJnDXQi8SOsPzQD/DUnHdldjo9va4U8tjvxAeJ txUX1AQSyaM6JbmW670sv4TRaIQuHj7uPZrgcpohCn3xqB+cBcr6/zCIsIB9i4Ipo6Hg IT8qxkCznoY7yN7JeojyZITR35Te+skL8IEb4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <94D13461-29C8-412E-AA53-9697E0EB7E94@baymoon.com> References: <94D13461-29C8-412E-AA53-9697E0EB7E94@baymoon.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 02:10:59 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New youtube post From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d34cc5570e31048fa03b8d Resent-Message-ID: <9quYa.A.sI.UMYhMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 00:11:00 +0000 (UTC) --001636d34cc5570e31048fa03b8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 awesome piece Bill! (thats a groovy lamp you got in the background as well) cheers Luis On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:14 AM, William Walker wrote: > Hey y'all, I was working in the studio yesterday and recorded this acoustic > lap steel improv. I had neglected to start rolling video until i had built a > few tracks up, so rather than be the usual build from scratch it starts > about two minutes in. The track also features both pre and post loop delay > and delayed pitch shift tracks, notably the TC fireworx acting as the post > looper effects with an expression pedal controlling effects mix and the > same polyrhythmic delay setting on both the Fireworx and my pre loop delays > from the M-9, both processors are synchronized to the LP-1's first loop. > more details of what I used are in the tag line. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqZgh7NxNMQ > Enjoy and feel free to subscribe to my Youtube site > Thanks > Bill > --001636d34cc5570e31048fa03b8d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
awesome piece Bill!
(thats a groovy lamp you got in the background as well)
cheers
Luis

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:14 AM, William Walker <= span dir=3D"ltr"><billwalker@b= aymoon.com> wrote:
Hey y'all, I was working in the st= udio yesterday and recorded this acoustic lap steel improv. I had neglected= to start rolling video until i had built a few tracks up, so rather than b= e the usual build from scratch it starts about two minutes in. The track al= so features both pre and post loop delay and =A0delayed pitch shift tracks,= notably the TC fireworx acting as the post looper effects with an expressi= on pedal controlling =A0effects mix and =A0the same polyrhythmic delay sett= ing on both the Fireworx and my pre loop delays from the M-9, both processo= rs are synchronized to the LP-1's first loop. more details of what I us= ed are in the tag line.=20
=A0Enjoy and feel free to subscribe to my Youtube site
=A0Thanks
=A0Bill

--001636d34cc5570e31048fa03b8d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 00:16:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E17A3BE92; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 00:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=v/agvWsAh4pVJP/oVA5nUueQGg+dPOes1I+q+I2yPOY=; b=JtrxhzS6IdPj87bE/xlFAgSArybwLapL4CrAvbeDmskg57g5Ac5GzP3xOKKhUlqNjv H1fAwYu/SJLi7s418eMtvie59kyFYngjzyJrgJS3rBt5LJT9lvmnQXdvd1g6Ff0XA+4E cLfpDm33DINd3I7Up+dvT5wAFdaLYLJ1CjT2A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=knOKfV6xF2sNIjp5N2OGELwx8Zf2K1vGfXlvazf/abfH9yK5leyakXlA4wZP66/jsH sNcLUHgexSy5jErp97sAv1Pz8JwtKUJQ5W2cM5FCTCn7FP1MSotARdzYMHZ7nNZdjRsv VvpQbMjahJ0PzrwafhCydSK/41naGnhEfVyn0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 02:16:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c93321413657048fa05014 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 00:16:51 +0000 (UTC) --001636c93321413657048fa05014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ricky it rocks! keep it up man and dont forget to say hello to Mr.King (how bout a Belgian beer?) Luis On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > And when I say digitally, I mean Wav, Mp3, Flac via the usual online > distributors/bandcamp etc. as well as a tangible disc :-) I need some > caffeine, me thinks. > > Ricky > > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: > > Hi Jeremy, > > > > We're looking at a release date around the end of September at the > > moment. The release will be available digitally and on CD. Thanks for > > the kind words. > > > > Ricky > > > > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jeremy devros > wrote: > >> Mecca! Very sweet. When is the official release? > >> J.D. > >> > >> deafrose58 > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500 > >> Subject: OT: Mecca > >> From: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca." > http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests > >> > >> Feedback much appreciated! > >> > >> Ricky > >> > > > > --001636c93321413657048fa05014 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ricky it rocks!
keep it up man and dont forget to say hello to Mr.King
(how bout a Belgian beer?)
Luis

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Ricky Graham <rickygraha= mmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
And when I say digitally, I mean= Wav, Mp3, Flac via the usual online
distributors/bandcamp etc. as well = as a tangible disc :-) I need some
caffeine, me thinks.

Ricky

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ricky Graham
<= rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> We're looking at a rele= ase date around the end of September at the
> moment. The release will be available digitally and on CD. Thanks for<= br>> the kind words.
>
> Ricky
>
> On Sat, Sep 4= , 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jeremy devros <deafrose58@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Mecca! Very sweet. When is the official release?
>> J.D.<= br>>>
>> deafrose58
>>
>> ________________= ________________
>> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500
>&g= t; Subject: OT: Mecca
>> From: rickygrahammus= ic@gmail.com
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>>= ; Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca." http://www.myspace.com/signalsu= ndertests
>>
>> Feedback much appreciated!
>>
>> Ric= ky
>>
>


--001636c93321413657048fa05014-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 01:59:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F94B3BE8F; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8BC29090-E035-4B27-B774-0BE3AABD1324@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100907001651.CA7643BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: New youtube post Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 18:59:15 -0700 References: <20100907001651.CA7643BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <5N9_4C.A.7SC.IyZhMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Gracias Amigo! Bill > awesome piece Bill! > (thats a groovy lamp you got in the background as well) > cheers > Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 02:07:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A6B53BE91; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 02:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 02:07:24 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: In-reply-to: References: Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:49:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: How creativity is being strangled by the law Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 02:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the link, Louie At 11:29 AM +0200 8/23/10, Louie Angulo wrote: >interesting view of it: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q25-S7jzgs > >cheers >Luis -- Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer and Digital Photographer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld "Truth flies like an arrow. Time is stranger than fiction" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 02:29:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF1923BE91; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 02:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nSTFYtomdxXKKbQMxMJT/hf9zFvoQ+0cTDI9niKEOjE=; b=Z6Tnr/4W+a/mTT8RHrbIsbBBsonsTY+AMIHZR54NnH8vnShUYUqRa8x+CziAHIemlJ gaxtUsnQFWfpG/oDKAR8bdQAtXDVW5Y/1eUMfCFyvC/KMLB+uFYx4AUy2aIw0ynZ5V0z 9G9A1NuTTxBPLlrUUrLm/04iTkgSDvBlaNVVw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nHmZzfToUChl78NI45CzVp/VfKk7ld0ZwjPawT2Z0LZePy0nofIs5VDTBCI3rhLfiV lfAuxZYjYGpyp8crj9ev4kGNPB6NFJ79qAP41SOTuaTW0Wg2Q/k8xPE81F2Vk5MLnQ0r 3+HsVjRjudy3DZKomSW4KRIb+nso4GwUkVIV4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8BC29090-E035-4B27-B774-0BE3AABD1324@baymoon.com> References: <20100907001651.CA7643BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <8BC29090-E035-4B27-B774-0BE3AABD1324@baymoon.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 19:29:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New youtube post From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 02:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Really nice stuff. Thanks, Kevin On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 6:59 PM, William Walker wro= te: > Gracias Amigo! > Bill > >> awesome piece Bill! >> (thats a groovy lamp you got in the background as well) >> cheers >> Luis > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 03:08:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EF6A3BE8A; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 03:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-579021160 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Yet another Youtube post Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:08:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 03:08:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-579021160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another improv from the same day. Again On weissenborn style lap guitar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gI5-k8a99Q Enjoy Bill --Apple-Mail-1-579021160 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Another improv from the same day. Again On weissenborn style lap guitar

Enjoy
 Bill
--Apple-Mail-1-579021160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 04:15:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12C483BE8B; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 04:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ApIsPrBfjF9WToqloZwjUa8q1onerxtoW63U1VuKAdM=; b=RnK/a57/FWbWaHmt05d0V+yPxRBmed6svSB9nH6ifArWmNrgHNpTUz+2qCYlXGAkhy 6+CMpUhXbHvASxLiRe7EqOiP9JRfhEIe0h5cH9Yu9CuxXFobiocyebo+SoCKUwMbgV48 kKigQXnd3VhnEZMYnAHt7bq5wwGYq2AWNv5bM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qNgeUajKD7EAGZqaqJLQwiv45P1tqQKuNDW5UkfMc9RDPnSDH4/rQs0nuT0/7ziggr bv5GwByz3IgZJf83gKDxO3NMUccle0IAXOLZM0no+XHVaMuai1el4AgFcTwKWGYGNXOn JGIh+Xcmz6gDv7QZFB2ppsRgX+WxvUH2TG/hw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:15:08 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Yet another Youtube post From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5ab067731d6048fa3a48a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 04:15:10 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5ab067731d6048fa3a48a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Awesome Bill! Really, really, nice! On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:08 PM, William Walker wrote: > Another improv from the same day. Again On weissenborn style lap guitar > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gI5-k8a99Q > > Enjoy > Bill > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon --001636c5ab067731d6048fa3a48a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Awesome Bill! Really, really, nice!

On Mo= n, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:08 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:=
=A0Another improv from the same day. Again On weissenb= orn style lap guitar

E= njoy
=A0Bill


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--001636c5ab067731d6048fa3a48a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 04:20:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFC853BE8D; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 04:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 04:20:23 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0bdc5e37-5db9-4783-b13a-704815cc17ee_" X-Originating-IP: [24.21.162.195] From: Jeremy devros To: Subject: RE: Yet another Youtube post Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:15:22 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2010 04:15:22.0841 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A69BC90:01CB4E43] Resent-Message-ID: <-kS2B.A.l9E.H2bhMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 04:20:23 +0000 (UTC) --_0bdc5e37-5db9-4783-b13a-704815cc17ee_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice work=2C Bill!=20 Shot w/ Zoom Q3? JD From: billwalker@baymoon.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Yet another Youtube post Date: Mon=2C 6 Sep 2010 20:08:19 -0700 Another improv from the same day. Again On weissenborn style lap guitarhtt= p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3gI5-k8a99Q Enjoy Bill = --_0bdc5e37-5db9-4783-b13a-704815cc17ee_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice work=2C Bill!
Shot w/ Zoom Q3?
JD

From: billwalker@baymoon.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: Yet another Youtube post
Date: Mon=2C 6 Sep 2010 20:08:19 -07= 00

 =3BAnother improv from the same day. Again On weissenborn st= yle lap guitar
Enjoy
 =3BBill
= --_0bdc5e37-5db9-4783-b13a-704815cc17ee_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 04:25:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAC733BE8D; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 04:25:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=pH5vrG1YWQP0lEYqWQU6FUxmzr1yJ2xdh7aRl22AvIw=; b=pw+J0F8aBuHeAWLLXkUWPCcG8cFN2EQX63ovfcfbzIBQ5KTA+e88gP5YaPF+9umZjo ykykVL6OWb1iWYWuiAsHa9cNF+3tBM4rljg873JFdNBR029JDzThv8ZWHW69u+C4dSmj 4vPxMtlxZ0Ir/jrpvAtTMxFcXBly37k4ApbV0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=BwUbx7CBLyOjIIoYWa8SDg9feJV+m4nxi4mNQRDE/DFDIfSPQdThH773bbonBpCNaV 0uC+0GOtXimNqsHsN7eHWYtmb5yrHwjfMu+jCf19i0vUUE5kA28aFGFGuMoV6Bhsh5mn PZGXP8+d7oifmN4BCbm4+0Fxwn6h0Ncmem9sA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:25:48 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How creativity is being strangled by the law From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163662e7359d61a3048fa3ca58 Resent-Message-ID: <3NgSM.A.oGF.N7bhMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 04:25:49 +0000 (UTC) --00163662e7359d61a3048fa3ca58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Excellent lecture, I loved it. I've always wondered if some art form like "the blues" that recycles and builds on itself could develop in the current litigious atmosphere. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > interesting view of it: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q25-S7jzgs > > cheers > Luis > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon --00163662e7359d61a3048fa3ca58 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent lecture, I loved it.

I've always wondered if some art= form like "the blues" that recycles and builds on itself could d= evelop in the current litigious atmosphere.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com>= wrote:
interesting view of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7Q25-S7jzgs=

cheers
Luis



--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
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--00163662e7359d61a3048fa3ca58-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 06:28:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B9FC3BE8E; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 06:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cBHChCmwI4EbOjEcg+jYrybHiAcKL2mGbLUMEa+KqjA=; b=TcNLUFvnkQ50Jbq9WTPoElifYFLOL5IIn9fMufpjD+1joUdkp2fuCTSmCRSTj4RkH0 5cljItmEKRYduRScSMCAtuZ0suaXzV5Ae9FbgtwfWl9OT0rqa0rArxVy6fV8RnZFirLj o09OFPU41PuoMncXE7raZ1OLbcYeTdnUltxWQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=am9PZAnU3PdiJpdL93zfrk2z4T2tpgEqs7pGwMU6czkTBaHrziK1YAwHBWQDmhY+lZ 1ZOWu0wDeaMcvRtwxuh67tGVFwEZL7WBJKZqAi8gBcMdincjfzezeMnDhescQa4yr9YQ BBL9FO10NWIkLlhPppq9CNQ1bFOCQNvlcoX9c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:28:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 06:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Luis. I will say "hi" to John for you. I may save the Belgian beer until the CD is packaged! :) Take care man, Ricky On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Ricky it rocks! > keep it up man and dont forget to say hello to Mr.King > (how bout a Belgian beer?) > Luis > > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> >> And when I say digitally, I mean Wav, Mp3, Flac via the usual online >> distributors/bandcamp etc. as well as a tangible disc :-) I need some >> caffeine, me thinks. >> >> Ricky >> >> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ricky Graham >> wrote: >> > Hi Jeremy, >> > >> > We're looking at a release date around the end of September at the >> > moment. The release will be available digitally and on CD. Thanks for >> > the kind words. >> > >> > Ricky >> > >> > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jeremy devros >> > wrote: >> >> Mecca! Very sweet. When is the official release? >> >> J.D. >> >> >> >> deafrose58 >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500 >> >> Subject: OT: Mecca >> >> From: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> >> Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca." >> >> http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests >> >> >> >> Feedback much appreciated! >> >> >> >> Ricky >> >> >> > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 07:46:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 729D63BE8F; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 489186795/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.156/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.156 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoCANOKhUxV0rac/2dsb2JhbAAHk0HNHYU9BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,327,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="489186795" Message-ID: <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 08:47:02 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > I am always available to this list to answer questions about this and > any other aspect of rhythmic theory, time permitting. Please ask. > > Rick Walker ok then ;-) (and any other contributors of course) It seems to me that all the examples quoted here involve the explicit playing of the underlying sub-division ...all the time. d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d- Are there any examples where this is not the case? (for me that would make it *much* more interesting/enjoyable for listening) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 07:46:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FCEF3BE97; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b6cfebb2-36af-4444-96b4-e0ea55230184_" X-Originating-IP: [86.143.215.242] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Abelton Live question Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:46:51 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> ,<4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2010 07:46:52.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5E9B000:01CB4E60] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:46:53 +0000 (UTC) --_b6cfebb2-36af-4444-96b4-e0ea55230184_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why don't you go back to Audiomulch Mark? It'll do everything and more than= Ableton and is rock solid.. =20 > Date: Sun=2C 5 Sep 2010 20:37:17 +0100 > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Abelton Live question >=20 > mark francombe wrote: >=20 > > I find Live very frustrating..=20 >=20 > you exactly fit the profile for > "Happy Plogue Bidule User". >=20 > ...all you have to do is connect stuff together > with the on-screen equivalent of patch cords. >=20 > it's *like hardware* >=20 > andy >=20 >=20 = --_b6cfebb2-36af-4444-96b4-e0ea55230184_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why don't you go back to Audiomulch Mark? It'll do everything and more than= Ableton and is rock solid..

 =3B
>=3B Date: Sun=2C 5 Sep 2010 20:37:17 +0100
>=3B Fro= m: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
>=3B Subject: Re: Abelton Live question
>=3B
>=3B mark fra= ncombe wrote:
>=3B
>=3B >=3B I find Live very frustrating.. >=3B
>=3B you exactly fit the profile for
>=3B "Happy Plogue= Bidule User".
>=3B
>=3B ...all you have to do is connect stuff = together
>=3B with the on-screen equivalent of patch cords.
>=3B =
>=3B it's *like hardware*
>=3B
>=3B andy
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>= =3B
= --_b6cfebb2-36af-4444-96b4-e0ea55230184_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 07:57:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67E413BE8F; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MKJGYR6LKyJN+i1R+19cx9zdEqNBb+ziS4kzWbMNxec=; b=og5vN/KrASr0NmVqULWfZ1XYNNITj3PZnl3/VkBxlJE/cwcz31rPa3l9Sg53gmtbFp lMogX4v4NS7k4pSTuwIjUbnKBJdyZMBmxdc7AMZVYE7TmZiHSeqxdb6GY+HUIfa6c0f2 wZcZtGHwCBedee/ckNZqMLoXlv92+Px9JyDz8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jhNY7xBD2Y2B8dy6AakN6C5hLUc38tmtcCcXVoV7LF69tu+nwo+CkXr99O7hoFYffR KtEEc8IaLs+nADLJCdoezjrtrZ1oiykB1A9eufHjLVd2j6t5p1S1InkMmI0htpb61Bq1 K089x7Cno8vWVdRprjdrbquw+mBz8VSErXe/0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:57:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:57:35 +0000 (UTC) besides, mulch is less powerful than bidule, but so eeeaassy to use. similar modular concept. major dropback. you can't send midi out, if not using 3rd party plugins. 2010/9/7 Gareth Whittock : > Why don't you go back to Audiomulch Mark? It'll do everything and more th= an > Ableton and is rock solid.. > > >> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:37:17 +0100 >> From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Abelton Live question >> >> mark francombe wrote: >> >> > I find Live very frustrating.. >> >> you exactly fit the profile for >> "Happy Plogue Bidule User". >> >> ...all you have to do is connect stuff together >> with the on-screen equivalent of patch cords. >> >> it's *like hardware* >> >> andy >> >> > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 08:31:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 932F53BE8E; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3c5835c4-daed-4ba5-aa1e-3dcc4a1ecc81_" X-Originating-IP: [86.143.215.242] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Abelton Live question Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:31:53 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>,,<4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk>,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2010 08:31:54.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[207F6910:01CB4E67] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:31:56 +0000 (UTC) --_3c5835c4-daed-4ba5-aa1e-3dcc4a1ecc81_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good point about the lack of MIDI out Raul - I've never had to use it so n= ever noticed its absence.=20 I tried Bidule but couldn't got on with it - it's so UGLY too! Powerful tho= ugh=2C I agree. =20 G =20 > Date: Tue=2C 7 Sep 2010 09:57:34 +0200 > Subject: Re: Abelton Live question > From: raul.bonell@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > besides=2C mulch is less powerful than bidule=2C but so eeeaassy to use. > similar modular concept. major dropback. you can't send midi out=2C if > not using 3rd party plugins. >=20 > 2010/9/7 Gareth Whittock : > > Why don't you go back to Audiomulch Mark? It'll do everything and more = than > > Ableton and is rock solid.. > > > > > >> Date: Sun=2C 5 Sep 2010 20:37:17 +0100 > >> From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Abelton Live question > >> > >> mark francombe wrote: > >> > >> > I find Live very frustrating.. > >> > >> you exactly fit the profile for > >> "Happy Plogue Bidule User". > >> > >> ...all you have to do is connect stuff together > >> with the on-screen equivalent of patch cords. > >> > >> it's *like hardware* > >> > >> andy > >> > >> > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > I b=E9=2C despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava > il.luminada=2C exclamava: "O siga=2C que he pagat per aquesta merda de > m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no=2C =F2st= ies!=2C > no podien posar-li una agulla =2C o que pitara=2C o alguna cosa aix=ED? " >=20 >=20 > Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com >=20 = --_3c5835c4-daed-4ba5-aa1e-3dcc4a1ecc81_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good point about the lack of MIDI out Raul =3B - I've never had to use = it so never noticed its absence.
I tried Bidule but couldn't got on =3Bwith it - it's so UGLY too! Power= ful though=2C I agree.
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>=3B Date: Tue=2C 7 Sep 2010 09:57:34 +0200
>=3B Su= bject: Re: Abelton Live question
>=3B From: raul.bonell@gmail.com
&= gt=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B besides= =2C mulch is less powerful than bidule=2C but so eeeaassy to use.
>=3B= similar modular concept. major dropback. you can't send midi out=2C if
= >=3B not using 3rd party plugins.
>=3B
>=3B 2010/9/7 Gareth Wh= ittock <=3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.uk>=3B:
>=3B >=3B Why don't you= go back to Audiomulch Mark? It'll do everything and more than
>=3B &g= t=3B Ableton and is rock solid..
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>= =3B >=3B>=3B Date: Sun=2C 5 Sep 2010 20:37:17 +0100
>=3B >=3B>= =3B From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
>=3B >=3B>=3B To: Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com
>=3B >=3B>=3B Subject: Re: Abelton Live quest= ion
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B mark francombe wrote:
= >=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B I find Live very frustrat= ing..
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B you exactly fit the pro= file for
>=3B >=3B>=3B "Happy Plogue Bidule User".
>=3B >= =3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B ...all you have to do is connect stuff tog= ether
>=3B >=3B>=3B with the on-screen equivalent of patch cords.<= BR>>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B it's *like hardware*
>= =3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B andy
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>= =3B >=3B>=3B
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>=3B I b=E9=2C despr=E9s estav= a aquella dona que sense saber que estava
>=3B il.luminada=2C exclamav= a: "O siga=2C que he pagat per aquesta merda de
>=3B m=E0quina i resul= ta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no=2C =F2sties!=2C
>=3B n= o podien posar-li una agulla =2C o que pitara=2C o alguna cosa aix=ED? ">=3B
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>=3B Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blo= gspot.com
>=3B Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
= >=3B
= --_3c5835c4-daed-4ba5-aa1e-3dcc4a1ecc81_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 08:42:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3B273BE8D; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=T6TxUypboQtyooVsx8iq3hR/X8hNQ/1e04J8ZbrJ5ak=; b=tm6Rc8wsAQa0+et5kui6qCZq87aR2v8u4cwNLbbGeAiSGbxr5jXzpqMVJDmWj+M0T2 rGPntjXJca2i6C7DOWO5OQK6P7xUxQUj7gutv2QkpEriT/o4iargPfV5EZqiL6T3Nrdq 8F5ER4D0uJg0XzKzjDbKOKj0tcyAG1xwRQq7c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=JyKYzWK9yxWLSAwKbMMlqe9Kg5OhZv2BxqmnTJ4xiWczyAVWxXrj/ayuXLcVgZQRju p7Dn7qrBXfc0Vy5stHIxIGaPlCVkxYkND5YCiMh6TNYYBMGI4qwM1hPZ+5xxWJFMKs0N 6HyEnF0Iw0Qwf7Fd2sGOh9TW/WsU683iIXfrg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20762120-89B0-471D-A9D2-3732FEE6B251@baymoon.com> References: <20762120-89B0-471D-A9D2-3732FEE6B251@baymoon.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 10:42:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Supporting the Y2K-X LOOP FEST with a preview of my composition for the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. IV From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045014080564e9a048fa76028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:42:29 +0000 (UTC) --005045014080564e9a048fa76028 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for your donation and for the kind words, Bill, See you soon ! fabio 2010/9/7 William Walker > I just downloaded this track Fabio, thanks alot for the support and a > really cool piece with great sound. > Bill > > --005045014080564e9a048fa76028 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for your donation and for the kind words, Bill,
See you=A0soon !
=A0
fabio

2010/9/7 William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
I just downloaded this track Fab= io, thanks alot for the support and a really cool piece with great sound. Bill


--005045014080564e9a048fa76028-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 09:03:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD4ED3BE8D; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0ZeBVnAwsJHvD0MA2g0sGoeSaKgCSTOaadZ1DBzBPB4=; b=oAmoTbWNz3ZvzZS8pUhhZrMPGzpzsbNe/27n885UyJK0c/sB/BaSktMOggciPpzjxo /VAX4AvAKXqLvN70swbvbqiNnEJeGOS+bmBK5Wm7r3YduA+v2xOnDGj/5fRAznI/EiLU mnqU71ArdINGBKNRSkOKYN3dkEpgpMwJfBZ5U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=YPLRhY1oOVR5OF9TNhrp08qWbgeI4+bsu/OQngMzmCzw3N9FPyBmVw0HZ6Pl2eQ383 W4u0drbTOGXnK0YRBZ6aFYG6WJ2KyIe245TynXv+9OUE9LdH0dNEKFQeDmBznGG3kJEu w1x3J9hQi3i7vPUWHhQ8fDEZqVWQ+SM/4Ipkg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:03:04 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Yet another Youtube post From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a7a53523b7048fa7aa80 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:03:05 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5a7a53523b7048fa7aa80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Love it ! thanks -fabio 2010/9/7 Jeremy devros > Nice work, Bill! > Shot w/ Zoom Q3? > JD > > ------------------------------ > From: billwalker@baymoon.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Yet another Youtube post > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:08:19 -0700 > > > Another improv from the same day. Again On weissenborn style lap guitar > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gI5-k8a99Q > > Enjoy > Bill > --001636c5a7a53523b7048fa7aa80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Love it ! thanks
=A0
-fabio

2010/9/7 Jeremy devros <deafrose58@hotmail.com>
Nice work, Bill!
Shot w/ Zoom Q3?
JD

From: billwalke= r@baymoon.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Yet another Youtube post
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:08:19 -0700=20


=A0Another improv from the same day. Again On wei= ssenborn style lap guitar=20

Enjoy
=A0Bill

--001636c5a7a53523b7048fa7aa80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 09:24:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B5393BE8F; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mbTYtvH4lHswN+bQoaSluKPxf/nxNmuAOD6OBpt0GZc=; b=U/aglURhYbwA8zVeYXeKanve/0U0S3Z2GZ7kR7EjMbFEFIL+l/TyB8lozA8I3ODPO9 2Tn+EHe7N+Y+dqytSK78gsLuMaR6+c6njyrmW0LexcBP1UD9ZP3wS/saqXRXgZb3emrT P4CKF+nsc/fqGyarB20WUlliU/okCH/WpZ9xo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=p455DRqJL84coo5BNj3H2st5u6Dy8bxozPrmcS8hkZLZWecM7duCq7ZdGRsIyK25xp 3ns0f8TAVZnkTZ+m4ESb80ChfeUY3ZrEt/Ghf6GvYzgEkI8BF/ACVW5UyLYRczpltiE2 9WxTo15qa1mMLZW+rCq+WUR5TaNmjEFHikflo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:24:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:24:23 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > I tried Bidule but couldn't got on=C2=A0with it - it's so UGLY too! Ha, ha.... that's so true! I mentioned it once over at the Plogue forum, as a helpful gesture to help Plogue to increase sales, and to my big surprise none of those extremely experienced Bidule users agreed! They all said "it is beautifully efficient". This attitude, plus the fact that Plogue as a company already has a good business going by licensing out the code engine to other applications, may explain why the don't bother to shape up the GUI. Personally I don't mind though, because I only look at the screen for a shot time when setting up a system - not when playing and using it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 09:34:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EF733BE8E; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=y5X10TwAtyBI8Wr2r4abdHIH4XVqme8MI0h6j+rH1UQ=; b=h2vPj7t9EjlrvWqjM0dO1zFYwiTO8E77ru3qEgN/uHZ7LG1PJTOC5F46+xS/HfoDSm dIlPA4KpvYEp9GuVkMiAACAuctVbbaXbMwOnDvQP/y6tOM3GXw63F3K15dSTiL50dC07 A/L/6v65YugGpJXHtAchhDVNXlFZvHZOp9CMU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=CPjxt/gZ/5JP1gR09W61mZcmN8N+uwKRp/vP4kKEdDO9S1W1BPlONzNJuGroOA2Ayg ZvTlHJiOPuDvmC1lLjOGeqIvVzJWToZpVgDAy6dSqF2mtCzXj+uVZ56t7/i8atfFQ+tx hC5Hb7F19ILqqb+uEDeKGXoLTBFzcE8lLdfjk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 10:34:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Yet another Youtube post From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f7c4da2b3f1c048fa81afe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:34:24 +0000 (UTC) --001485f7c4da2b3f1c048fa81afe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 gorgeous! :O) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Yet another Youtube post >> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:08:19 -0700 >> >> >> Another improv from the same day. Again On weissenborn style lap guitar >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gI5-k8a99Q >> >> Enjoy >> Bill >> > > From: billwalker@baymoon.com --001485f7c4da2b3f1c048fa81afe Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable gorgeous! :O)


To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Yet another Yout= ube post
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:08:19 -0700=20


=A0Another improv from the same day. Again On weissenborn styl= e lap guitar=20

Enjoy
=A0Bill

From: billwalker@baymoon.com

--001485f7c4da2b3f1c048fa81afe-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 10:01:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0ABA3BE98; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 10:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 489311853/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.156/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.156 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoCAHaqhUxV0rac/2dsb2JhbAAHgxGQL7o6kRqBIoMndAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,327,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="489311853" Message-ID: <4C860D6B.5030304@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:01:15 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Abelton Live question References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5n5DFD.A.NnE.c1ghMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 10:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Gareth Whittock > wrote: >> I tried Bidule but couldn't got on with it - it's so UGLY too! > > Ha, ha.... that's so true! I mentioned it once over at the Plogue > forum, as a helpful gesture to help Plogue to increase sales, and to > my big surprise none of those extremely experienced Bidule users > agreed! They all said "it is beautifully efficient". This attitude, > plus the fact that Plogue as a company already has a good business > going by licensing out the code engine to other applications, may > explain why the don't bother to shape up the GUI. Generally people who work using software on a day to day basis don't want any extraneous graphic. ..and the people who pay for it *usually* want to pay for functionality...not distracting eye candy. Luckily Plogue don't need to 'sell' Bidule, if they did the graphic work would push the price up. andy (oh yes, my pc still looks like win98) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 10:50:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC3CD3BE90; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 10:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <94D13461-29C8-412E-AA53-9697E0EB7E94@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: New youtube post Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:50:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0093_01CB4E82.D65F5CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 10:50:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01CB4E82.D65F5CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, good energy in the piece, Bill. What monitor speakers are those? On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:14 AM, William Walker = wrote: Hey y'all, I was working in the studio yesterday and recorded this = acoustic lap steel improv. I had neglected to start rolling video until = i had built a few tracks up, so rather than be the usual build from = scratch it starts about two minutes in. The track also features both pre = and post loop delay and delayed pitch shift tracks, notably the TC = fireworx acting as the post looper effects with an expression pedal = controlling effects mix and the same polyrhythmic delay setting on = both the Fireworx and my pre loop delays from the M-9, both processors = are synchronized to the LP-1's first loop. more details of what I used = are in the tag line.=20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOqZgh7NxNMQ Enjoy and feel free to subscribe to my Youtube site Thanks Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01CB4E82.D65F5CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, good energy in the piece, Bill.  = What monitor=20 speakers are those?

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:14 AM, = William Walker=20 <billwalker@baymoon.com>=20 wrote:
Hey y'all, I was working in the = studio=20 yesterday and recorded this acoustic lap steel improv. I had neglected = to=20 start rolling video until i had built a few tracks up, so rather than = be the=20 usual build from scratch it starts about two minutes in. The track = also=20 features both pre and post loop delay and  delayed pitch shift = tracks,=20 notably the TC fireworx acting as the post looper effects with an = expression=20 pedal controlling  effects mix and  the same polyrhythmic = delay=20 setting on both the Fireworx and my pre loop delays from the M-9, both = processors are synchronized to the LP-1's first loop. more details of = what I=20 used are in the tag line.=20
 Enjoy and feel free to subscribe to my Youtube site
 Thanks
 Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0093_01CB4E82.D65F5CC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 10:51:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B1433BE91; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 10:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <793F1E0D4CEF42108E3DA436E38F7491@ELUK1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: How creativity is being strangled by the law Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:51:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009B_01CB4E82.FC2CF1B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 10:51:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CB4E82.FC2CF1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm working on something for next year that might be right in this = arena. Shh! From: Art Simon=20 I've always wondered if some art form like "the blues" that recycles and = builds on itself could develop in the current litigious atmosphere. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Louie Angulo = wrote: interesting view of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7Q25-S7jzgs cheers Luis --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CB4E82.FC2CF1B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm working on something for next year that might be right in this=20 arena.  Shh!
 
I've always wondered if some art form = like "the=20 blues" that recycles and builds on itself could develop in the current = litigious=20 atmosphere.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Louie Angulo = <louie.angulo@googlemail.com>=20 wrote:
interesting view of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7Q25-S7jzgs

c= heers
Luis


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------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CB4E82.FC2CF1B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 11:11:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 180813BE90; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=ssoiE7vDY3/ahBYPKrWAJCgXcjxR5sQ2FjTl9f1DTGo=; b=Sc2xg7jlW+CY1Q0/2BLXV36q7VhWAY+b1RiG3eTyaNWqhfAuEzAyF42/H0qLl86b0V LD/HCfTIs1J6C31qr1y2T4p9y7sm1NROtS65iFzI2nd69gAF8mEojz5fq8NLZB4ohxTE fDLLWzP6+DK+eiTfZ6e6NbVx3vNJ5rj2Yh0x0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=tLIhSLHg80MKq9yvo7WHVyBB2YzB9f0h9QTgItELqa3Noy3/Zs7TjmrVeSuhXUxhUL GKhkrLTKTa3YQr2IVGE6Je3v6dKNgs+3lzo5NeVZvEwe8y8dth6STyRz7s/vLXkJgOoC p8gEs3ds8JQpexH7i3eBGskhmUwtqHOA0P8do= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:11:37 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YDrE9xxIlRqavzh3Dk_rtWYHY2M Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f899315298784048fa9771a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:11:59 +0000 (UTC) --00c09f899315298784048fa9771a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Good point!! Im not completely sure that I GET when something is 7;4 for example, if there is a click click click on every beat. My mind makes it 4:4 cos I LIKE that, Im comfortable with it. Fabios clicking video seems very clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking aspect of it, but IS 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the er... 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean? I love the way "peaks" reoccur and interact as they move in and out of synch, the "phasing" that Reich does so well. I do this mostly by multiplying out a tiny but silent loop to say 17, then on a different machine (or track in Mobius) doing the same out to 18. then SUS SUB into each in tiny snips... the gaps in the music become the interesting part, and this is somthing Ive been working with ever I since I had a VERY DEEP LISTENING experience to crickets in Thailand 25 years ago I was so focused on the sound of the crickets, really trying to hear Steve Reichian phasing effects when all of a sudden I was listening the WRONG way round, listening to the GAPS and not the clicks. There are pictures that do this relatively easily, (the famous two faces hidden in a vase pic) but its amazing when it happens in music... Mark On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, andy butler wrote: > Rick Walker wrote: > > I am always available to this list to answer questions about this and >> any other aspect of rhythmic theory, time permitting. Please ask. >> >> Rick Walker >> > > ok then ;-) > (and any other contributors of course) > > It seems to me that all the examples quoted here > involve the explicit playing of the underlying sub-division > ...all the time. > d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d- > Are there any examples where this is not the case? > (for me that would make it *much* more interesting/enjoyable > for listening) > > andy > > > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00c09f899315298784048fa9771a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good point!!

Im not completely sure that I GET when something is 7;4= for example, if there is a click click click on every beat. My mind makes = it 4:4 cos I LIKE that, Im comfortable with it. Fabios clicking video seems= very clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy strok= ing aspect of it, but IS 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" s= ound, if you remove the er... 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I= mean?

I love the way "peaks" reoccur and interact as they move in a= nd out of synch, the "phasing" that Reich does so well.

I= do this mostly by multiplying out a tiny=A0 but silent loop to say 17, the= n on a different machine (or track in Mobius) doing the same out to 18. the= n SUS SUB into each in tiny snips... the gaps in the music become the inter= esting part, and this is somthing Ive been working with ever I since I had = a VERY DEEP LISTENING experience to crickets in Thailand 25 years ago I was= so focused on the sound of the crickets, really trying to hear Steve Reich= ian phasing effects when all of a sudden I was listening the WRONG way roun= d, listening to the GAPS and not the clicks. There are pictures that do thi= s relatively easily, (the famous two faces hidden in a vase pic) but its am= azing when it happens in music...

Mark







On Tue, = Sep 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Rick Walker wrote:

=A0 I am always available to this list to answer questions about this and = any other aspect of rhythmic theory, time permitting. =A0 =A0 Please ask.
Rick Walker

ok then ;-)
(and any other contributors of course)

It seems to me that all the examples quoted here
involve the explicit playing of the underlying sub-division
...all the time.
d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d- =A0
Are there any examples where this is not the case?
(for me that would make it *much* more interesting/enjoyable
for listening)

andy






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--00c09f899315298784048fa9771a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 11:37:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC62B3BE93; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=/GDCTCM8rcAb2WXTAS8Gs+NgtJ78PWW39x4E+Z4dEDM=; b=dTbWdwL783y0Dm2GZ/VuXr5wwstcYWPKeqPLwY8DeEDu/oOxm106814gFSUwglYy3R bpD4sbVIcWNbNQJst1JhbE39vqEa0wI+0rQDyfsjOlBgQu/5SRE9Lwcv333sXp/xVpbE 70OaW2z2kH8mFKwj5nLSxcbW1y3qKcS/F2J6Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=BN0gFpKJa94hPzIQvuiWyv7huaCJ7FMkRLVNctTK927RM0gdTr5NeS5dM/nPNx8b9O peKEYq1dTzcBo1QGyxL7UU3vzOeCvzlhrHmD7atWjXro5ZSNMwGMt9lZ64RNaKvFAg2Y aDoZXVRjb7mAPxvx8xRM4HCMsmee7CbItDhmU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:36:48 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: viDInOp8Y_Voh72NuF3B3J9MiL4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163628480a36f7e1048fa9d159 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:37:09 +0000 (UTC) --00163628480a36f7e1048fa9d159 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Believe me, I have thought about it.. the truth is I want to get my head around Abelton Live, I not sure I agree that Mulch will do everything and more... I love Mulch, but for me it was very much a electronica tool, and I recorded one whole album on nothing else...(http://markfrancombe.bandcamp.com/album/the-money-hush-room) but Live has some other features that, although Im not getting to work totally as I would want, I feel it will get there in the end. Mulch has no midi sequencing AFAIK, although Im sure theres plugins and such... Im very tempted to go with products that work "out of the box", there was a time that I had a million photoshop plug-ins, but now... none. In After Effects I only have one plug-in (particular if anyone is interested). I dont have the time to learn something like Bidule, I need to "play" every night, and that means guitar on knee play, not head scratching as you connect virtual cables playing... At the moment Live isnt working for me, but being an a new place is a place I enjoy, and (if it would stop frightening me by crashing) I would be happy with my progress, I can NEARLY use Mobius as EDPs now, I still cant use the Mobius multiply (wrongly implemented from the EDP ) and I miss the EDP UNDO (no loop windowing) which is a nightmare for me, as it my main EDP tool, after SUS SUB. When I am au fait with Mobius, I will start to work a bit more with the Live side. While Im here. q1) how do people monitor what is going on in Mobius when the windo is closed? Can I make the default Live plugin window (that chooses the main Mobius functions) bigger? My eysight is poor and cant see at any distance. q2) Ive set up to use 4 of Mobiuss tracks in Live. I dont need any more... On my foot controller I have 2 buttons programmed to go NEXT Track and PREV track. but when I get to track 4 Id like the NEXT Track button to take me back to track 1 not track 5 (that Im not using) Any way to do this? (scriptin obvoisly) guess Id have to somehow make a new Next Prev button and somehow assign THAT to a pedal instead? (I dont know YET how to do that, as Im not using any scripting in Mobius) Mark On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Why don't you go back to Audiomulch Mark? It'll do everything and more > than Ableton and is rock solid.. > > > > Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:37:17 +0100 > > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Abelton Live question > > > > > mark francombe wrote: > > > > > I find Live very frustrating.. > > > > you exactly fit the profile for > > "Happy Plogue Bidule User". > > > > ...all you have to do is connect stuff together > > with the on-screen equivalent of patch cords. > > > > it's *like hardware* > > > > andy > > > > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00163628480a36f7e1048fa9d159 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Believe me, I have thought about it..

the truth is I want to get my = head around Abelton Live, I not sure I agree that Mulch will do everything = and more... I love Mulch, but for me it was very much a electronica tool, a= nd I recorded one whole album on nothing else...(http://markfrancombe.bandcamp= .com/album/the-money-hush-room) but Live has some other features that, = although Im not getting to work totally as I would want, I feel it will get= there in the end.

Mulch has no midi sequencing AFAIK, although Im sure theres plugins and= such... Im very tempted to go with products that work "out of the box= ",=A0 there was a time that I had a million photoshop plug-ins, but no= w... none. In After Effects I only have one plug-in (particular if anyone i= s interested).

I dont have the time to learn something like Bidule, I need to "pl= ay" every night, and that means guitar on knee play, not head scratchi= ng as you connect virtual cables playing... At the moment Live isnt working= for me, but being an a new place is a place I enjoy, and (if it would stop= frightening me by crashing) I would be happy with my progress, I can NEARL= Y use Mobius as EDPs now, I still cant use the Mobius multiply (wrongly imp= lemented from the EDP ) and I miss the EDP UNDO (no loop windowing) which i= s a nightmare for me, as it my main EDP tool, after SUS SUB.

When I am au fait with Mobius, I will start to work a bit more with the= Live side.

While Im here.

q1) how do people monitor what is = going on in Mobius when the windo is closed? Can I make the default Live pl= ugin window (that chooses the main Mobius functions) bigger? My eysight is = poor and cant see at any distance.

q2) Ive set up to use 4 of Mobiuss tracks in Live. I dont need any more= ... On my foot controller I have 2 buttons programmed to go NEXT Track and = PREV track. but when I get to track 4 Id like the NEXT Track button to take= me back to track 1 not track 5 (that Im not using) Any way to do this? (sc= riptin obvoisly) guess Id have to somehow make a new Next Prev button and s= omehow assign THAT to a pedal instead? (I dont know YET how to do that, as = Im not using any scripting in Mobius)

Mark


On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:46 = AM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
Why don't you go back to Audiomulch Mark? It'll do everything and m= ore than Ableton and is rock solid..

=A0
> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:37:17 +0100
> From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk=

> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Abelton Live question

>
> mark francombe wrote:
>
> > I find Li= ve very frustrating..
>
> you exactly fit the profile for
> "Happy Plogue Bidule User".
>
> ...all you have= to do is connect stuff together
> with the on-screen equivalent of p= atch cords.
>
> it's *like hardware*
>
> andy=
>
>



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--00163628480a36f7e1048fa9d159-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 11:40:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FABF3BE95; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=0RQcqTl4q0gt3gxt9kxeJImUoqH/cLpS/pPkm2oi3Bg=; b=EwgANe7gG98ZpywVERc8DgG60tfi0zo/JKXH8LthB5zgQqPcVdpFt4WCID5jJyhITd qtwQJM8gRyEecQsnoYDgXxpCrtKd3oUewXxtAeL3apTskcwMXN08AZRs5WABcOCJmYED KfrzsQ3ay4GS2SQumH4V3yn0E1FcHbTl0IjSY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=Q4KFLlSy82aeP5my3/DbpTW9OClhRIVp07mdwDRfgYE/dueYoUKOjTgabZUD4FPrLn 6mtMW5tAewHFRziWmohLNEYq+fecxRAAvV3HhRjIW9NXD2Yn/8yI7Hbpo9+iAopJ7Eqm snhmYSBJnr697uhPAiU0XPK+NboEYZmL34UrU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C860D6B.5030304@tiscali.co.uk> References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <4C860D6B.5030304@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:39:49 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: t-B0Cb_VSziklvVhaxKi2ZNV59g Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64bc0f809c735048fa9dc6a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:40:11 +0000 (UTC) --0016e64bc0f809c735048fa9dc6a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:01 PM, andy butler wrote: > andy (oh yes, my pc still looks like win98) and my pc IS win98!!! ha ha -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016e64bc0f809c735048fa9dc6a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:01 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wr= ote:
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--0016e64bc0f809c735048fa9dc6a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 11:56:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C05C43BE93; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bwrYeMSadzKLwGnFY2qG0y74DJb8tElnPGBjyEQjfHk=; b=giqW6E0Wgkp5UroCaHZmbVFl3ktU+tIjevSfCU1qJXcbBR6yYMWM+xxxFGHZf6H0dH /X+v/+WDWB5oo/6uYQa4x1J9Y+m0rliAN78jv4qqusBUFtf/868/wifPNlHdg7empWIm MQ9Tq/bieJACMGBaicMFU2qd+82ayJTGycKaQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=H+BLCh24aktXPZXNI2Y/x9SjX5CfWI3tjQvIKbEY3c4lZazm9qI581qFf6fPD0jSUz PTjwVhAKIhIugvhJnY9Lm3QOEknduRB2ABtSzXaArNwOg6kYSUmbpM4zQ70arahXQ4GS Y3E0T3Z5DhzLYFMbQxakHxc8zXfg3rc2pESvE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:56:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:56:13 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:11 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Im not completely sure that I GET when something is 7;4 for example, if > there is a click click click on every beat. My mind makes it 4:4 cos I LIKE > that, Im comfortable with it. Fabios clicking video seems very clever to me, > and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking aspect of it, but > IS 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the er... > 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean? Very interesting topic! :-)) Ten years ago I was only comfortable playing (and imagining - "playing in the mind") the times 4/4 and 6/8. I knew Dave Brubeck's classic Take Five and Paul McCartney's Bond theme Live and Let Die with the riff in 5/4, but I had not played hands-on in 5/4. Very much thanks to Rick's inspiration I started learning 5/4 by tapping one hand's fingers, thumb indicating each bar's downbeat, and thinking improvised melodies that fit in with that groove. With that method it took a day to incorporate it with my usual musical reactions so I could move on to using real instruments to play in 5/4. The turning point is to get comfortable with the new groove, so you won't have to think about it when improvising. If looping with an EDP or with Mobius there is a good and fun exercise you can do. Set the "8ths Per Cycle" to 5 or 10 and start doing "Substitue Stuff" (replacing quantized slices of the loop with your live audio input). I prefere 10 for playing in 5/4 because that makes you substitute 8th notes - if one Cycle equals one bar, that is. In my looping setup I keep a bunch of fast commands to switch "8ths Per Cycle" for the particular reason of moving between different time measures when improvising. But I restrict my options to these five: - "8ths Per Cycle = 16" for playing normal four-on-the-floor music. - "8ths Per Cycle = 10" for playing in 5/4. - "8ths Per Cycle = 12" for playing in 6/8. - "8ths Per Cycle = 14" for playing in 7/8 (this one I like very much). - "8ths Per Cycle = 9" for playing in 9/8 (this is pretty new to me). For each of these five alternatives I also have a special "fast button" to set the grid to 64th note duration. This is for creating glitchy granular loops that will nevertheless lock into the odd groove as they evolve. 7/8 is a favorite of mine. This groove tends to give any noise you play a mesmerizing rhythm. A simple but very rewarding trick. To learn it quickly you can use the finger tapping method and imagine each bar as "4 fingers + 3 fingers". A different approach to 7/8 would be "3 fingers + 4 fingers" per bar. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 12:10:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E6063BE8F; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eBIg46SJ4FJ0WwfcsL2+4YdjeQgqyhY6M3HBUe63IHA=; b=tiIYstk6e+fdn22dUxfc4ASXQYcF6zPp4bdK028kI8c6YCwOPhSpJSGqPZktFIIU01 AzZ/usbIHXfGIQpqRy3+JUAhxAgUolq9zWfVXQOlzVAiWl6qDSRWHyYbWuip5em9H3XV ShRK2UDK9unMI0+AxWkPj0aK6G/tfkcQZM6N4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uNLRnA7Sqv+R20qro0+2R2R7VnyhLGrtRY908QuPX1/xPJaYvBHDmTjb8aPweULbzy pVl2HBPTDwwRZDIrZCpXzcOnOV5DwCC2h0ms/w9tnR1CW5zK2hjYmpTWo0jwX4s3LDkA 71B7TK/rIgARLlWjasr2E20RBJkwb0NupZw8c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:10:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:10:44 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:36 PM, mark francombe wrote: > q1) how do people monitor what is going on in Mobius when the windo is > closed? I keep the Mobius GUI window open all the time. Fiver years ago I used Live a the host for a short period and then I made a full screen Live mixer view window with a certain area of visually less important tracks and in that area I kept the on top floating Mobius GUI window. I use very few GUI objects in my Mobius window. No buttons for example. Just the pacman loop meter, the track level faders, the 16ths Per Cycle indicator, the Undo/Redo history chain meter and under each track fader the loop slots (I restrict Mobius to only allow 5 loops - "MooreLoops" in the EDP). > Can I make the default Live plugin window (that chooses the main > Mobius functions) bigger? My eysight is poor and cant see at any distance. Don't think so. Ableton's plug-in GUI window (the one at the bottom) is very standardized and can't be customized except for creating racks etc. BTW, personally I never use Abe's GUI for Moibus. I can't stand that it only shows plug-ins on the track selected in the Live Mixer. > q2) Ive set up to use 4 of Mobiuss tracks in Live. I dont need any more... You can modify some of Mobius text files to make it default to 4 tracks instead of 8. I remember I did that when using Live as the host. Don't forget to move away a back-up copy of the text file before you start mocking around with it in the Text Editor. > On my foot controller I have 2 buttons programmed to go NEXT Track and PREV > track. but when I get to track 4 Id like the NEXT Track button to take me > back to track 1 not track 5 (that Im not using) Any way to do this? With Mobius set to 4 tracks as default you would instantly achieve that. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 12:36:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC4C63BE94; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=a9bXsbD8b68JbYtOGxjR5vYxGJaIHp/MZvzst8URqOE=; b=PYdqXxgJVHTpHl5Y8/2zjwBdGGSt7dGpu8u7yDde21jYlNpPCkr5dXSk6Rt/CqpVbg IBLHCjy14TjJ/l+u2NWTPdxvhzdIvQi393SA73VuQLi6AYP0o0akzb4jOBRsytG61hf/ ra5Y0bWaj578vRuipBUdOb3jfrJKaoHnR0QNY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=e8hk8sYIfqnpQPE0cJ2mOBRXtXQabrrleQmaOYwIOEtvcl+uef0d5o8chQgwyz6B9M rx+sTe9JnMTz+hgZlN6eWltphfzOiTiteUad1BF4GJ0yd8FeNC90IkGkTxLSAq+y/53z 5CRCBfbnV9/Hg6U7g65+cJYLwp1q/1lnEfrPM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:35:41 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 68RPw7qJRRxfBJi5xe88LNSxbEM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630f6b7bf00ba048faaa33f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:36:01 +0000 (UTC) --00163630f6b7bf00ba048faaa33f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Per Boysen answered wisely as the software guru he most certainly is... I use very few GUI objects in my Mobius window. Mark blustered... I dont know you could do that!! ha ha! Can you save different GUI configs, one of In a host (minimal) or fullscreen (all)? Per expounded... > With Mobius set to 4 tracks as default you would instantly achieve that. Mark exploded... YIPPIEEEEEE! -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00163630f6b7bf00ba048faaa33f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> answered wisely as the software guru he most certainly is...

I use very few GUI objects in my Mobius window.

Mark blustered...
I dont know you could do that!! ha ha! Can you save different GUI configs, one of In a host (minimal) or fullscreen (all)?

Per expounded...
With Mobius set to 4 tracks as default you would instantly achieve that.

Mark exploded...
YIPPIEEEEEE!


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--00163630f6b7bf00ba048faaa33f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 12:50:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCE183BE92; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C863529.6070804@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 05:50:49 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Andy said, "It seems to me that all the examples quoted here involve the explicit playing of the underlying sub-division ...all the time. d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d- Are there any examples where this is not the case? (for me that would make it *much* more interesting/enjoyable for listening)" This is one of my pet peeves about most experiments with odd time signatures and their juxtaposition, Andy. I also, however, think that this is natural when people are first experimenting with these concepts. Go give yourself a treat and listen to the body of work that Nik Bartsch has put out (some 10 CDs)...............he's really gone deep with this concept. I just love his last CD on ECM. ******************* Another aspect of this phemenon is that when when odd time groupings are juxtaposed, the brain has a tendency to hear one of them as the 'pulse' and the others as syncopations against that pulse. I think this tendency is a natural extension of the way our brains perceive information and it's tendency to find pattern in things we experience (the natural extension of a binary mentality-----synapses that connect (ones) or don't (zeros) on the physiological level. Here is a hip writing exercise that points this phenomenon out dramatically: Try to write a tune, with a melody against an ostinato line with two poly-rhythms in it, say 3 and 4 (with a common denominator of 12 notes). First write a song where you think of this poly-rhythm as 3 against 4 In other words, in 4/4 using triplet eighths as a subdivision and then accenting every fourth triplet eighth note to produce the '3' of the poly-rhythm......................write a couple of melodies thinking in this way. Now turn the time signature around and play in 3/4 using 16th notes as the 'subpulse' with an accent against this 3 pulse every 3 16th notes. It will produce an entirely different piece of music depending on what the pulse is and what subpulses are accented creating the polyrhythm. Dramatically different feeling songs will result from this exercise. Now try the same thing with more esoteric (by pop standards) juxtapositions: 3 against 5, 7 against 4 and into really wooly territory 5 against 9, 7 against 5, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 12:56:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A22D3BE94; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BCEOVaKtziWdpD8fgsf8ANdGxXhczqWvDxpQ2BZN6/c=; b=wiDpzQRJl5pRouWlEli3yqZm6gXaAh308a4ogK6JlMAKioTfii23YNh9kYxxC23OfC RfbHjSS6WKWa+610CQrN393bTzB5e9b81fnxDV2c4wF2m99l9CB6toXkeKfmNQP2RWx1 FR9o7ue9fRc1Ro8z/XztmWEZKWnoYXt91M/vQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=U02BvUTBuKMT1EvV67MyJK0/m56AtgPpiXrnQogxytlGNXChgVOghvhWjhvFGGH1RV QWWqPVoXqSag+dbGV/wDexINU4ZK457eeHUeQY49xe140gpTohEia8aZscVBnkPDsHDX CDncC7Wo/3bdktnmguLeKmfIjndJD/cByIvAI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:56:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:56:31 +0000 (UTC) > I use very few GUI objects in my Mobius window. > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:35 PM, mark francombe wrote:> Mark blustered... > I dont know you could do that!! ha ha! Can you save different GUI configs, > one of In a host (minimal) or fullscreen (all)? No. This is a default setting for Mobius and it affects Mobius standalone and Mobius plug-in equally. You make the settings in Mobius "Configuration / Display Components". Going there will open a window called "UI Configuration" and here you may chose what graphic components Mobius will display on the "Main" level as well as for the "Track Strip" level. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 13:47:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8856F3BE93; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+tFCUuj7EZ3yslL5NEmZhkAoxnXjA8vZlM8u/ZbYnFI=; b=I5zpdbZvehWe4gBOljqtQBD4hlUfsae5OM+dH8EColK2zSu9EDEFTjPdQLtvYURf2v MIgHSOq10RggTirjPKJDyEF0KKRvC8TDin/I3tKHLBltzcv3enY1lwz9A2K7SueblrzM OGk5GEoUMzHYO07sgJhckSxG8WALf6J8dBE3M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=DuuviljTQQaJdXnIDJG6ESwNm1zxYQiEs1CxuPh9hZaUHU/SYlHXIJxyTYAGfbbNaL YufbNibEjR9b5peXcJqtaxwtXFjimh3GG93azpcx5P3zNXOIXmVDGinGLqt+dyUlK1Rd xvZIwSWt2sK3AIRQvuOrHNzMFiNQ99wGjFVjA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:47:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e1ea846100e6048faba274 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:47:14 +0000 (UTC) --001636e1ea846100e6048faba274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2010/9/7 Per Boysen perboysen@gmail.com > > If looping with an EDP or with Mobius there is a good and fun exercise > you can do. Set the "8ths Per Cycle" to 5 or 10 and start doing > "Substitue Stuff" (replacing quantized slices of the loop with your > live audio input). I prefere 10 for playing in 5/4 because that makes > you substitute 8th notes - if one Cycle equals one bar, that is. > > In my looping setup I keep a bunch of fast commands to switch "8ths > Per Cycle" for the particular reason of moving between different time > measures when improvising. But I restrict my options to these five: > > - "8ths Per Cycle = 16" for playing normal four-on-the-floor music. > - "8ths Per Cycle = 10" for playing in 5/4. > - "8ths Per Cycle = 12" for playing in 6/8. > - "8ths Per Cycle = 14" for playing in 7/8 (this one I like very much). > - "8ths Per Cycle = 9" for playing in 9/8 (this is pretty new to me). > I made this setup configuration in Mobius: track 1 for playing out of synch track 2 for playing in binary time signature where 8ths Per Cycle = 4 track 3 for playing in 3/4 where 8ths Per Cycle = 3 track 4 for playing in 4/4 where 8ths Per Cycle = 4 track 5 for playing in 5/4 where 8ths Per Cycle = 5 . track 6 for playing in 6/4 where 8ths Per Cycle = 6 track 7 for playing in 7/4 where 8ths Per Cycle = 7 track 8 for playing in 8/4 where 8ths Per Cycle = 8 I can also change the 8th Per Cycle setting on the fly, but it is useful for me having dedicated tracks, 'cos I can easly access to each of them, without having to recall in my memory which track is playing in 5.. A bit different from yours, Per, 'cos I tend to consider the pulse as 8th. In other words, I dont' think to the 4/4 as a bar of 16th, but as a bar of 4 pulse. It's like having a metronome going super-fast, but I think the final result is the same. > > For each of these five alternatives I also have a special "fast > button" to set the grid to 64th note duration. This is for creating > glitchy granular loops that will nevertheless lock into the odd groove > as they evolve. > > 7/8 is a favorite of mine. This groove tends to give any noise you > play a mesmerizing rhythm. A simple but very rewarding trick. To learn > it quickly you can use the finger tapping method and imagine each bar > as "4 fingers + 3 fingers". A different approach to 7/8 would be "3 > fingers + 4 fingers" per bar. > Or you can also think the 7/8 like: - 2+2+3 - 2+3+2 - 3+2+2 or : - 5+2 -2+5 Fabio --001636e1ea846100e6048faba274 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/9/7 Per Boysen perboysen@gmail.com

If looping with an EDP or with Mobius there is a good= and fun exercise
you can do. Set the "8ths Per Cycle" to 5 or= 10 and start doing
"Substitue Stuff" (replacing quantized sli= ces of the loop with your
live audio input). I prefere 10 for playing in 5/4 because that makes
yo= u substitute 8th notes - if one Cycle equals one bar, that is.

In my= looping setup I keep a bunch of fast commands to switch "8ths
Per Cycle" for the particular reason of moving between different time<= br>measures when improvising. But I restrict my options to these five:
<= br>- "8ths Per Cycle =3D 16" for playing normal four-on-the-floor= music.
- "8ths Per Cycle =3D 10" for playing in 5/4.
- "8ths Per= Cycle =3D 12" for playing in 6/8.
- "8ths Per Cycle =3D 14&qu= ot; for playing in 7/8 (this one I like very much).
- "8ths Per Cyc= le =3D 9" for playing in 9/8 (this is pretty new to me).
I made=A0this setup configuration in Mobius:
track 1 for playing out of synch
track 2 for playing in binary time signature=A0where 8ths Per Cycle = =3D 4
track 3 for playing in 3/4 where 8ths Per Cycle =3D 3
track 4 for playing in 4/4 where 8ths Per Cycle =3D=A04
track 5=A0 for playing in 5/4 where 8ths Per Cycle =3D=A05 .
track = 6 for playing in 6/4 where 8ths Per Cycle =3D=A06
track 7 for playing in 7/4 where 8ths Per Cycle =3D=A07
track 8 for playing in 8/4 where 8ths Per Cycle =3D 8
=A0
I can also change the 8th Per Cycle setting on the fly, but it is usef= ul for me having dedicated tracks, 'cos I can easly access to each of t= hem, without having to recall in my memory which track is playing in 5..
=A0
A bit different from yours, Per, 'cos I tend to consider the pulse= as 8th.
In other words, I dont'=A0think to the=A04/4 as=A0a bar of 16th, b= ut as a bar of 4 pulse.
It's like having a metronome going super-fast, but I think the fin= al result is the same.

For each of these five alternatives I also have a spe= cial "fast
button" to set the grid to 64th note duration. This= is for creating
glitchy granular loops that will nevertheless lock into= the odd groove
as they evolve.

7/8 is a favorite of mine. This groove tends to give= any noise you
play a mesmerizing rhythm. A simple but very rewarding tr= ick. To learn
it quickly you can use the finger tapping method and imagi= ne each bar
as "4 fingers + 3 fingers". A different approach to 7/8 would be = "3
fingers + 4 fingers" per bar.
=A0
Or you can also think the 7/8 like:
- 2+2+3
- 2+3+2
- 3+2+2
or :
- 5+2
=A0-2+5
=A0
Fabio

--001636e1ea846100e6048faba274-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 14:10:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C5C73BE91; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283868655; bh=VsTc4UQm9T8xcJ+vYwAbJH1ieqzEUIAkgxGhI4aPI4Q=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=v34zIFBp2BcSwxlk532mtdgEjy2UKPLxIgsxsnOYduBYoswYf70JWQrsLmrG7bDH3DNlx9XBr4icn7mn8F7BtjbF8+SN8VYr5IvVVXQAarmE9bhCWUFbymOEWUD48PEwkgxQznFAMPrDAcOw7Ue63Xm7XYRxaCEbVDv+lls6N0M= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0w4/KFYKtDrM4euGLJuxMyT8BtKxtZsrXt6At/JvVQTWCZBIWlC9AYbFMnE/U5lS0C39Kz6IYXqUGFUhUwnfZ4YkKX2yjwOQ8XdHrRrvsYe0T5ulcVzQ7RERi82s3daH0/Fj7/WxtqLmoLQo/k186/2XTKfg9beedIC2Lg5A0Ag=; Message-ID: <836881.72295.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8jCYBgsVM1nN33Lfxs8y20AEv6kMkONtCRQ6lOy.72VX711 gFTXkVUp8N_m_MQKrGhXfIcy46nhPOc5tte1AdzjDBRGjlPPa0snTtWizAKE 1WvO6MUB2RrT_A24aoGpJOZqlU6z49L3AAXq9XqrdUa6OvVv7ISRAq6FCiKe .khz51ji87aKHdCARGYhardcOtsa6J_diSut6CPgi6RVsyheMjlBp8AEfKkt SQ02TLQoVHCvHPZJ36id_F1iC1uVbCGl7ZrWDJ9xNL0yFu8QzhW415V7iPB4 1dSgTbvT86l3rgDReHqgCvLBU91Q- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.3.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:10:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: OT: Korg Wavedrum $100 Rebate To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4C83F48D.2010100@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-261300744-1283868655=:72295" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:10:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-261300744-1283868655=:72295 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just an FYI..I've been in the market for one of the Wavedrums and just noti= ced yesterday there is a $100 rebate offer until 12-31-10. =A0 Regards, Paul =A0=0A=0A=0A --0-261300744-1283868655=:72295 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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=0A= =0A --0-261300744-1283868655=:72295-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 14:58:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27AB23BE92; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:58:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=OmG_XN0DVI-yz_WwdnUA:9 a=FxmhoM6pTXba1iyQ3yIA:7 a=TsM9Mu0ar7dREHJK3ntU6sHMeYoA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: <40C2CD5C-47D3-41FD-82DE-BD46527C5E06@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <94D13461-29C8-412E-AA53-9697E0EB7E94@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: New youtube post Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:58:26 -0700 References: <94D13461-29C8-412E-AA53-9697E0EB7E94@baymoon.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:58:32 +0000 (UTC) Watched and listened . . . transfixed . . . Bill. Wonderful stuff. On Sep 6, 2010, at 4:14 PM, William Walker wrote: > Hey y'all, I was working in the studio yesterday and recorded this > acoustic lap steel improv. I had neglected to start rolling video > until i had built a few tracks up, so rather than be the usual build > from scratch it starts about two minutes in. The track also features > both pre and post loop delay and delayed pitch shift tracks, > notably the TC fireworx acting as the post looper effects with an > expression pedal controlling effects mix and the same polyrhythmic > delay setting on both the Fireworx and my pre loop delays from the > M-9, both processors are synchronized to the LP-1's first loop. more > details of what I used are in the tag line. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqZgh7NxNMQ > Enjoy and feel free to subscribe to my Youtube site > Thanks > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 14:59:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1049A3BE98; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pqVzTRzCc6Vw7SGc7MUA:9 a=zO9e0sC64EKee9kW6v949JGzwQAA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=voZrjb6_8qcA:10 Message-Id: <6806D79E-909D-4ABA-8FC9-49CAB39FDF57@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Yet another Youtube post Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:59:06 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Ditto. You be da master. On Sep 6, 2010, at 8:08 PM, William Walker wrote: > Another improv from the same day. Again On weissenborn style lap > guitar > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gI5-k8a99Q > > Enjoy > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 15:15:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 455293BE95; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:15:14 UTC Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Abelton Live question Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:06:58 -0400 Message-ID: <007a01cb4e9e$514c1110$f3e43330$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-Index: AQKzaxo/93xsADrct2OIDq4f22Td5AITAQ+VAr7DSdoDKq2pogMQB+geAh2E8BABTjv7UAGbwLIHkLW6aTA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Here's what I think is the source of the original problem. In Ableton Live, selecting a track does not, by itself, change what = happens to the audio or MIDI routing. It simply chooses the track that = you're going to be working on at the moment. Independently of what track is selected, your MIDI instrument(s) are = routed to one or more tracks for potential recording purposes. The way = to tell which track will receive MIDI input is to look at the small red = "record" indicator in the channel strip, adjacent to the bottom of the = strip's volume fader. When you drag an instrument to a track, Live automatically arms that = track for recording. So I think that this is what happened: 1) You drag an instrument to a new MIDI track. That automatically arms = the track for recording, so when you play your MIDI keyboard, that's the = instrument that sounds. 2) You drag an instrument to a second MIDI track. That arms the second = track for recording and disarms the first track, so when you play your = MIDI keyboard, you hear the second track. 3) You select the first MIDI track. That does not change which tracks = are armed, so when you play your MIDI keyboard, you still hear the = second track. To solve this problem, instead of just selecting the track, click the = track's "record arm" button. This will select the track, and arm it for = recording, and disarm the other track. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 15:39:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E2033BE98; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=uX1o72igiDO6hG+fBFgi4oFhxkREVaxrrVT2hoOeuJM=; b=ju+RHxF2ptFafViuXGPRfcUw4xHCbMkoT42Q+dBUPjB3Nho15CbcGja9BczbkUqxJO PicILz13dKSVGzw08xfZEiV6SYTk3i7l9p/zH2cHp741QrwPbox3lhzS0PoL6TklaGao KkqHiFMvKbiTMdLAVdwiJPkyA6pVGxYfMwUoU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=n4ndPvGPN2QCRx57kkpsc80ooHDRyAMSGDcTCXLWVQ/SIZARZzt+DISMaQzsWcMENX +15VKqtGUtKGI7P/9srridS/GcKS15YW5S6sfjRyQqPN/8TvQY9G4oMCoKn3A6RB4cax GBf8fH6NGb/5bIFvWKgr0qQmrsEpFUhvirY9A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <836881.72295.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4C83F48D.2010100@tiscali.co.uk> <836881.72295.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:27:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Korg Wavedrum $100 Rebate From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d206b38f309048fad08fa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:39:29 +0000 (UTC) --0016364d206b38f309048fad08fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 thanks for the heads up, I'm also eyeing one and the timing is perfect. Kevin On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > Just an FYI..I've been in the market for one of the Wavedrums and just > noticed yesterday there is a $100 rebate offer until 12-31-10. > > Regards, Paul > > > > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos --0016364d206b38f309048fad08fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for the heads up, I'm also eyeing one and the timing is perfect.=

Kevin

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:10= AM, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:
Just an FYI..I've been in the market for one of the Wavedrums and = just noticed yesterday there is a $100 rebate offer until 12-31-10.
=A0
Regards, Paul

=A0




--
Till now you seri= ously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the= primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana M= aharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.mi= nds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
--0016364d206b38f309048fad08fa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 15:49:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00A9E3BE95; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: jayrope LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100907001651.C71AA3BE98@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Kim's memorial Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:48:50 +0200 References: <20100907001651.C71AA3BE98@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Bill, thank you for sharing this. Would you mind posting the link to Violet's download again? I seem to have missed it. Thank you very much. j - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Sep 7, 2010, at 2:16 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Kim's memorial > > > I have been so busy and so much in my own world lately that I forgot > to share my experience attending Kim's memorial, August 14th. Ted > killian, Rick and I attended the memorial at the Lawrence Hall of > Science high in the berkley hills. We arrive painfully late due to > work commitments, but were able to meet and interact a bit with > members of his family and friends. It was completely fogged in with > a strong steady wind, very eire when one ventured outside, as if > the spirits were hurtling past you. It was good to connect however > briefly and share some experiences with Kim's mom and dad, and > there was even some levity at the end with people playing with the > interactive exhibits, the highlight for me being a ride on the > roller coaster simulator. Later we repaired to a favorite bar of > Kim's and Violets to share a few beers and listen to the house band > play, and cover Wish You Were Here in Kim's honor. There were no > dry eyes in the party. I hope everyone will buy a copy of Violet's > download if you haven't already, she is trying to keep this great > site going and needs our help. > bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 15:55:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95AD73BE98; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9cba26fc-9658-46b7-8cbd-24c9cdcac3ec_" X-Originating-IP: [86.143.215.242] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Abelton Live question Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:55:21 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4C860D6B.5030304@tiscali.co.uk> References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> ,<4C860D6B.5030304@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2010 15:55:21.0795 (UTC) FILETIME=[13BD8930:01CB4EA5] Resent-Message-ID: <3De97.A.iZE.qBmhMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:55:22 +0000 (UTC) --_9cba26fc-9658-46b7-8cbd-24c9cdcac3ec_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AM hasn't got any distracting eye candy=2C it's just nicely designed and ve= ry functional.=20 I think good visual design is especially important if you use it every day = too - but maybe I'm just too sensitive =3B-) Peace =20 g >=20 > Generally people who work using software on a day to day basis > don't want any extraneous graphic. > ..and the people who pay for it *usually* want to > pay for functionality...not distracting eye candy. >=20 > Luckily Plogue don't need to 'sell' Bidule=2C if they did > the graphic work would push the price up. >=20 >=20 > andy (oh yes=2C my pc still looks like win98) >=20 = --_9cba26fc-9658-46b7-8cbd-24c9cdcac3ec_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= --_9cba26fc-9658-46b7-8cbd-24c9cdcac3ec_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 16:19:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D189E3BE99; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <2FBC8A47-450D-4BF9-B7A8-1A5E8A7D0EC8@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100907092424.38B8C3BE97@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-626474944 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: RE: Yet another Youtube post Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:19:12 -0700 References: <20100907092424.38B8C3BE97@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:19:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-626474944 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JD wrote > Nice work, Bill! Shot w/ Zoom Q3? JD thanks man, yes a Q3 set on high setting with the studio monitors not too loud. Bill --Apple-Mail-2-626474944 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
JD wrote


Nice work, Bill! 
Shot w/ Zoom Q3?
JD Sneak peak of = title track, "Mecca." http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests

 Feedback much = appreciated!

 Ricky


This track is = really cool I love the tension and the noise beats great = atmosphere
Bill

> =A0Feedback much appreciated! > > =A0Ricky > > > This track is really cool I love the tension and the noise beats great > atmosphere > Bill > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 16:50:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6B573BE9E; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:48:52 -0500 Subject: RE: Abelton Live question Thread-Topic: Abelton Live question Thread-Index: ActOi9UphWKd7/okRWOd5R4DGFNHKgAIJL5A Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4A8@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-vipre-scanned: 5C896A9A001AB95C896BE7 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:50:50 +0000 (UTC) W01hcmtdDQo+IEkgZG9udCBrbm93IHlvdSBjb3VsZCBkbyB0aGF0ISEgaGEgaGEhIENhbiB5b3Ug c2F2ZSBkaWZmZXJlbnQgR1VJIGNvbmZpZ3MsDQo+IG9uZSBvZiBJbiBhIGhvc3QgKG1pbmltYWwp IG9yIGZ1bGxzY3JlZW4gKGFsbCk/DQoNCltQZXJdDQo+IE5vLiBUaGlzIGlzIGEgZGVmYXVsdCBz ZXR0aW5nIGZvciBNb2JpdXMgYW5kIGl0IGFmZmVjdHMgTW9iaXVzDQo+IHN0YW5kYWxvbmUgYW5k IE1vYml1cyBwbHVnLWluIGVxdWFsbHkuIA0KDQpJZiB5b3UncmUgY29tZm9ydGFibGUgbWVzc2lu ZyBhcm91bmQgd2l0aCBmaWxlcyB5b3UgY2FuIGNyZWF0ZQ0KbXVsdGlwbGUgR1VJIGNvbmZpZ3Mg YnV0IGl0IGlzbid0IGVhc3kuICBHVUkgY29uZmlndXJhdGlvbiBpcyBzdG9yZWQNCmluIHRoZSBm aWxlIHVpLnhtbCAod2hpY2ggb24gTWFjIHdpbGwgYmUgaW4gL0xpYnJhcnkvQXBwbGljYXRpb24N ClN1cHBvcnQvTW9iaXVzKS4gIENoYW5nZSB0aGUgZGlzcGxheSBjb21wb25lbnRzIGxpa2UgUGVy IGRlc2NyaWJlcywNCnRoZW4gY29weSB0aGlzIGZpbGUgdG8gc29tZXRoaW5nIHdpdGggYSBtZWFu aW5nZnVsIG5hbWUgbGlrZQ0KdWktbWluaW1hbC54bWwuICBSZXBlYXQgdGhpcyBwcm9jZXNzIGNy ZWF0aW5nIGRpZmZlcmVudCBmaWxlcy4gIE5vdw0Kd2hlbiB5b3Ugd2FudCB0byBzd2FwIGNvbmZp Z3VyYXRpb25zIHVzZSBGaW5kZXIgb3IgdGhlIGNvbW1hbmQgbGluZSB0bw0KcmVuYW1lIG9uZSBv ZiB5b3VyIGZpbGVzIHRvIHVpLnhtbC4gIE1vYml1cyBjYW4ndCBiZSBydW5uaW5nIHdoZW4geW91 DQpkbyB0aGlzLg0KDQpKZWZmDQoNCg== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 16:55:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBCF53BEAF; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XzDKX/B/5+9d0sP5O136aKyi6/SbQA1sLm94SYBJPwE=; b=kJ/NGSiZYoixbci1WvNolI4m3kHtErQqBO+Xzn+o0sAMas7LBq6uUwCEgEP3FxW7bn R8fvRcJ3LY576TwPl7Jt7P28jWc09vZzpDsJ9O7lVPiKo72aePqaCyOBEmF/emHtkRo+ 2NYSu7LsoSDnvd/WZJ6AmpLVj9xIHwfAk9P9M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=KdVUhd428l+8dQGsTyv3/nfOeG575i7Ba13BI1hiHmx0zRcMUBzFIYs/rkV7dWEepQ ZVkEEP28RdHRLP6BY+z9VCDZYG+kE5JJAT4uNRsWycWZziwK5dAAgdjhQoBN36oYYbTV 7IOEcapaNr7Qk8GOJ/6RxlU4lNLW60G66mpUU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:55:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: portable recorders/new music posted at scott hansen's myspace page... From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7df98f4d5a5048fae41fc Resent-Message-ID: <099WwC.A.WCG.l5mhMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:55:01 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d7df98f4d5a5048fae41fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 thanks for having the discussion on portable recorders. sometime in the near future i'd like to get something different, and i've been checking out a few things people have been suggesting here.... the funny thing after reading a few of these posts i saw in our sunday's paper, the best buy ads for this week had the Zoom H4n on sale for $299- couldn't believe i'd see a small 4 track recorder on sale at a local place... and speaking of recordings.... a few months ago i posted some new stuff to my myspace page: www.myspace.com/scotthansen it would be the APRIL 2010 recordings-i think there's 6 on there (or is it 5?). mostly stuff i recorded w/ my new setup w/ my EH 16 ddl-ri, there's also some use of the digitech DL8 and my behringer tweakalizer. ok the funny thing, my direct recording to my fostex mr-8, one of the inputs has died, so i couldn't do that...so i was wanting to try to record some new stuff (since i've taken like a 2 yr break from obsessive recording), so i was thinking , what can i do: well, i decided to just put the fostex mr-8 right next to my fender keyboard 60 amp and record w/ the onboard condenser mic to make things easy. so recorded i think 50 min of stuff over a couple of days, originally was going to try to press up a few copies on cd form to offer, make some feeble cover, but then decided to put a few of the recorded things on myspace instead. so there they are. i think it's the first time i've ever recorded my amp live for playing-always just gone direct w/ my setup....i think it sounds ok...stuff is all live , one take loops and stuff. there is one track that i cheated, it would be the one w/ acoustic guitar (but i can't remember if i put that one up or not-the acoustic is live overdub over i think some feedbacky noise things -i think).... i recorded these in april, i don't think i got them transferred to my computer until june, mention it to folks in sept...oh well.... i think after i recorded it, i thought, man i should get a new smaller recorder to record things, the mr8 seems huge compared to these new tiny recorders...... s--- www.myspace.com/scotthansen --0016e6d7df98f4d5a5048fae41fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for having the discussion on portable recorders. sometime in the nea= r future i'd like to get something different, and i've been checkin= g out
a few things people have been suggesting here....

the funny= thing after reading a few of these posts i saw in our sunday's paper, = the best buy ads for this week had the Zoom H4n on sale for $299-
couldn't believe i'd see a small 4 track recorder on sale at a loca= l place...

and speaking of recordings....

a few months ago i = posted some new stuff to my myspace page:

www.myspace.com/scotthansen

it would be the APRIL 2010 recordings-i think there's 6 on there (o= r is it 5?). mostly stuff i recorded w/ my new setup w/ my EH 16 ddl-ri, th= ere's also
some use of the digitech DL8 and my behringer tweakalize= r.

ok the funny thing, my direct recording to my fostex mr-8, one of the i= nputs has died, so i couldn't do that...so i was wanting to try to
= record some new stuff (since i've taken like a 2 yr break from obsessiv= e recording), so i was thinking , what can i do: well, i decided to just put the fostex mr-8 right next to my fender keyboard 60 amp and record w/ t= he onboard condenser mic to make things easy. so recorded i think
50 min= of stuff over a couple of days, originally was going to try to press up a = few copies on cd form to offer, make some feeble cover, but then decided to put a few of the recorded things on myspace instead. so there they are. = i think it's the first time i've ever recorded my amp live for play= ing-always just
gone direct w/ my setup....i think it sounds ok...stuff = is all live , one take loops and stuff. there is one track that i cheated, = it would be the one w/ acoustic guitar (but i
can't remember if i put that one up or not-the acoustic is live overdub= over i think some feedbacky noise things -i think)....
i recorded these= in april, i don't think i got them transferred to my computer until ju= ne,=A0 mention it to folks in sept...oh well....

i think after i recorded it, i thought, man i should get a new smaller = recorder to record things, the mr8 seems huge compared to these new tiny re= corders......
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--0016e6d7df98f4d5a5048fae41fc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 16:58:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 910893BEC3; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:56:49 -0500 Subject: RE: Abelton Live question Thread-Topic: Abelton Live question Thread-Index: ActOhXA09C5XIsNcTsWMSVaCo/yQUwAKANqA Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4B4@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-vipre-scanned: 5C90B3CA001AB95C90B517 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:58:48 +0000 (UTC) W1Blcl0NCj4gWW91IGNhbiBtb2RpZnkgc29tZSBvZiBNb2JpdXMgdGV4dCBmaWxlcyB0byBtYWtl IGl0IGRlZmF1bHQgdG8gNA0KPiB0cmFja3MgaW5zdGVhZCBvZiA4LiBJIHJlbWVtYmVyIEkgZGlk IHRoYXQgd2hlbiB1c2luZyBMaXZlIGFzIHRoZQ0KPiBob3N0LiBEb24ndCBmb3JnZXQgdG8gbW92 ZSBhd2F5IGEgYmFjay11cCBjb3B5IG9mIHRoZSB0ZXh0IGZpbGUgYmVmb3JlDQo+IHlvdSBzdGFy dCBtb2NraW5nIGFyb3VuZCB3aXRoIGl0IGluIHRoZSBUZXh0IEVkaXRvci4NCg0KRWRpdCB0aGUg ZmlsZSAvTGlicmFyeS9BcHBsaWNhdGlvbiBTdXBwb3J0L01vYml1cy9tb2JpdXMueG1sLCB5b3Ug c2hvdWxkDQpzZWUgYSBtZXNzIGF0IHRoZSB0b3AgdGhhdCBsb29rcyBsaWtlIHRoaXMuDQoNCjxN b2JpdXNDb25maWcgcXVpY2tTYXZlPSdtb2JpdXNsb29wJyBub2lzZUZsb29yPScxMycgc3VnZ2Vz dGVkTGF0ZW5jeU1zZWM9JzAnIGlucHV0TGF0ZW5jeT0nMCcgb3V0cHV0TGF0ZW5jeT0nMCcgZmFk ZUZyYW1lcz0nMCcgbWF4U3luY0RyaWZ0PScyMDQ4JyB0cmFja3M9JzgnIHRyYWNrR3JvdXBzPScy JyBtYXhMb29wcz0nNCcgbG9uZ1ByZXNzPSc1MDAnIG1pZGlNb2RlPSdub3JtYWwnIHBsdWdpblBp bnM9JzE2JyBzaGlmdFJhbmdlPSc0OCcgdHJhY2VQcmludExldmVsPScxJyB0cmFjZURlYnVnTGV2 ZWw9JzInIGRyaWZ0Q2hlY2tQb2ludD0nbG9vcCcgZHVhbFBsdWdpbldpbmRvdz0ndHJ1ZScgcHJl c2V0PSdEZWZhdWx0Jz4NCg0KDQpOb3RpY2UgaW4gdGhlIG1pZGRsZSBvZiB0aGlzIGlzIHRyYWNr cz0nOCcsIGNoYW5nZSB0aGUgOCB0byBhIDQgYW5kIGJlDQpjYXJlZnVsIHRvIHByZXNlcnZlIHRo ZSBzaW5nbGUgcXVvdGVzIGFyb3VuZCB0aGUgdmFsdWUuICBNb2JpdXMgbXVzdCBub3QNCmJlIHJ1 bm5pbmcgd2hlbiB5b3UgZG8gdGhpcy4gIFNhdmUgdGhlIGZpbGUgYW5kIHN0YXJ0IE1vYml1cy4g IA0KDQpKZWZmDQoNCg== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 17:12:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 895CE3BEDD; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:10:04 -0500 Subject: RE: Abelton Live question Thread-Topic: Abelton Live question Thread-Index: ActOgL8/0+xcGxfEQRiNZmU31cUBWgALVxig Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-vipre-scanned: 5C9CD204001ABA5C9CD351 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BEbarqsailpoi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:12:00 +0000 (UTC) --_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BEbarqsailpoi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I can NEARLY use Mobius as EDPs now, I still cant use the > Mobius multiply (wrongly implemented from the EDP ) If you're having the "extra cycle" problem, did you try setting Multiply Mo= de to "New Jeff --_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BEbarqsailpoi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> I can NEARLY use Mobius as EDPs now, I still cant use t= he

> Mobius multiply (wrongly implemented from the EDP )

 

If you're having the "extra cycle" problem, did yo= u try setting Multiply Mode

to "New

 

Jeff

 

--_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BEbarqsailpoi_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 17:50:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC3903BE8F; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=Jseri/bvPdrx5nCmvnGxziGmo2bCb99D8cOaTMlbEJK4qBwRlMlrJjm0PuZQpk93vODatOJRQLgq+wNrbKpSk8mMGWbdarZtxA2v0A5o3BtGvt8hLAx6qtPMIp0sGiwo/7bcqxr5wBwKQXnPIAxlTxAVJX0y3gMp1wGMJ6kh7QY= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1283881845; bh=c80ypoIjQexo2OS88qFkZZYDg1zFjySiZkwNhZ6IG8k=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=ktimcdbX0X7x4JMOK2x/0nOrnmHB67W8CHWw5sSlKDYQBg8fCNIMpLjyDaKrcEGFFCqejXE9Y4rIBCk8MXT7JNUi7Q8syu8CyB8le/UAPZH13DcMmGR3r9In4AfvE/bvGaj2JC3U44EIL1uLRLasR6Eeaxp2Ki/zqXToy05B/NE= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: .en1SesVM1krKrBlsYCik9jyaR7PU2b8jDuOw6vghjUE6dn 8oKm4Ws3NpEv4CKZbWsan8Zgkddyv3jGjBOddmBsuBkxPqn79hcUHhaafJtv duTnYMXWO5JvDurP7RCP1A8tUk9uvtc2JhrsoaUy4Lr9rXn4IcJdUtNhSSaG XfAdKUUDbNfDtD.eBaUcmG3h9ajvd7Q_FuLkh8Wn9cFY2Ilgo3sg9JTAbyQi a5RL3f1kmlQFUnMz.Nh0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4C866556.60202@gmail.com> References: <20100907001651.C71AA3BE98@arsenic.violacea.com> <4C866556.60202@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-631963590 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Kim's memorial Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 18:50:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:50:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8-631963590 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Just purchased - this is lovely. Wonderful tribute. Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 7 Sep 2010, at 17:16, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I just bought this as well. Beautiful tribute. > > (Love your voice, Violet!) > > Here's the Amazon link: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0040SYZ5E/ref=dm_ty_trk > > and itunes: > > http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/wish-you-were-here/id388767038? > i=388767212&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > > >> Bill, thank you for sharing this. >> Would you mind posting the link to Violet's download again? I seem >> to have missed it. >> Thank you very much. >> j >> - - - >> jayrope >> http://www.kliklak.net >> >> On Sep 7, 2010, at 2:16 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers- >> delight.com wrote: >> >>> Subject: Kim's memorial >>> >>> >>> I have been so busy and so much in my own world lately that I >>> forgot to share my experience attending Kim's memorial, August >>> 14th. Ted killian, Rick and I attended the memorial at the >>> Lawrence Hall of Science high in the berkley hills. We arrive >>> painfully late due to work commitments, but were able to meet and >>> interact a bit with members of his family and friends. It was >>> completely fogged in with a strong steady wind, very eire when >>> one ventured outside, as if the spirits were hurtling past you. >>> It was good to connect however briefly and share some >>> experiences with Kim's mom and dad, and there was even some >>> levity at the end with people playing with the interactive >>> exhibits, the highlight for me being a ride on the roller coaster >>> simulator. Later we repaired to a favorite bar of Kim's and >>> Violets to share a few beers and listen to the house band play, >>> and cover Wish You Were Here in Kim's honor. There were no dry >>> eyes in the party. I hope everyone will buy a copy of Violet's >>> download if you haven't already, she is trying to keep this great >>> site going and needs our help. >>> bill >> >> > --Apple-Mail-8-631963590 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Just purchased - this is lovely. Wonderful tribute.

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 7 Sep 2010, = at 17:16, Daryl Shawn wrote:

I just bought this as well. Beautiful = tribute.

(Love your voice, Violet!)

Here's = the Amazon link:


and = itunes:


Daryl = Shawn
www.swanwelder.com




=
Bill, thank you for sharing = this.
Would you mind posting the link = to Violet's download again? I seem to have missed it.
Thank you very much.
- - -
jayrope

On Sep = 7, 2010, at 2:16 AM, Loopers-Deli= ght-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:

Subject: Kim's = memorial


I have = been so busy and so much in my own world lately that I forgot to share = my experience attending Kim's memorial, August 14th. Ted killian, Rick = and I attended the memorial at the Lawrence Hall of Science high in the = berkley hills.  We = arrive painfully late due to work commitments, but were able to meet and = interact a bit with members of his family and friends. It was completely = fogged in with a strong steady wind,  very eire when one = ventured outside, as if the spirits were hurtling past you.  It was good to connect = however briefly and share some experiences  with Kim's mom and dad, = and there was even some levity at the end with people playing with the = interactive exhibits, the highlight for me being a ride on the roller = coaster simulator. Later we repaired to a favorite bar of Kim's and = Violets to share a few beers and listen to the house band play, and  cover  Wish You Were Here in = Kim's honor.  There = were no dry eyes in the party. I hope everyone will buy a copy of = Violet's download if you haven't already, she is trying to keep this = great site going and needs our help.
bill
=



=

= --Apple-Mail-8-631963590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 19:53:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07FB33BE93; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 19:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=SnZmmb8qq+b0x5bJp+I4fd+w+djnJkjxtQQM8zi6FQ4=; b=DrAxVNJfU6gcnOOMTR0VeHEB2HMOkgVg2oZ7poj2PxAXmPhQEbgVCI5oKGgTzv3EN8 zmLZmHJ2nsJN8kLYjlhkkmChxRzuAVAOpi/kdEJ1WfPCChyerQYkgUSRk5AsxsIrF8Y6 tbXJPKNEmP4Mh+hnOeclQ4If9O44aQDYc/oZs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=oIvxWlW92rgOqxC9iOUYjdTvLJTMh+fpNvFhwAp0dzYmSDsTMdEkeszB/oDhIxMGfj fNuk8WcogH+DsxlCNMSnbHvrYmaCY7Sjko7e0Up90orRwuxz6Daoe2p6JdzBvXKO4VHc bnJ41QzEme3fhc/ODGcl9sxoqdDWiXR+Bu7RE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:52:45 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: eU97An-lEI3NaZssEy_WAdVUJBc Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016361e813cd0e16b048fb0be9b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 19:53:05 +0000 (UTC) --0016361e813cd0e16b048fb0be9b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 aha.. lots of new stuff to try GREAT!!!!! I will def be making a Live floating window version of the GUI!! And Multiply to NEW.. wow... can it be? will it work... *drooling* And today of all days, when I (hear this Bill) I went and chose the Digitech Hardwire Reverb pedal... too much to play with!!! Why do I have to go to work??? M.xxx On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > > I can NEARLY use Mobius as EDPs now, I still cant use the > > > Mobius multiply (wrongly implemented from the EDP ) > > > > If you're having the "extra cycle" problem, did you try setting Multiply > Mode > > to "New > > > > Jeff > > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016361e813cd0e16b048fb0be9b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable aha.. lots of new stuff to try GREAT!!!!!

I will def be making a Li= ve floating window version of the GUI!!

And Multiply to NEW.. wow..= . can it be? will it work... *drooling*

And today of all days, when= I (hear this Bill) I went and chose the Digitech Hardwire Reverb pedal...<= br>
too much to play with!!!

Why do I have to go to work???

= M.xxx





On Tue, Sep 7, 2010= at 7:10 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:

> I can NEARLY use Mobius as EDPs now, I still cant use the=

> Mobius multiply (wrongly implemented from the EDP )

=A0

If you're having the "extra cycle" problem, did y= ou try setting Multiply Mode

to "New

=A0

Jeff

=A0




--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancomb= e
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--0016361e813cd0e16b048fb0be9b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 20:44:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B767F3BE95; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 20:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C86A443.7070609@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:44:51 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Mecca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 20:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Dear Ricky, I've been so busy with the logistics of this huge 10th anniversary loopfestival that I've not been able to follow much of the artistic output at Loopers Delight lately. I finally got a chance to listen to Mecca today.............WOW!!!!! This is really wonderful. You've got glitch and melody, very cool drum programming, the whole enchilada. I wanna buy the CD. let us know when it comes out. Rick Walker ps truly wishing that an angel would come forth and pay for your flight to California so you could play this festival that you deserve to be featured at! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 21:49:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6543E3BE8E; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=UATEQv2ZJNveNoabMrQA:9 a=y-GKCE34DsUcbsXI3KQA:7 a=-YSNUp-k98Q5ZLUhQdMGKWFnmDQA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 Message-ID: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:49:41 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Mecca Cc: Ricky Graham In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 24.216.248.15 by ssomail.charter.net; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:49:38 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:49:54 +0000 (UTC) I enjoyed this too. Nice work. Cool distressed/degenerated techno backing. ---- Ricky Graham wrote: ============= Thanks Luis. I will say "hi" to John for you. I may save the Belgian beer until the CD is packaged! :) Take care man, Ricky On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Ricky it rocks! > keep it up man and dont forget to say hello to Mr.King > (how bout a Belgian beer?) > Luis > > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> >> And when I say digitally, I mean Wav, Mp3, Flac via the usual online >> distributors/bandcamp etc. as well as a tangible disc :-) I need some >> caffeine, me thinks. >> >> Ricky >> >> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ricky Graham >> wrote: >> > Hi Jeremy, >> > >> > We're looking at a release date around the end of September at the >> > moment. The release will be available digitally and on CD. Thanks for >> > the kind words. >> > >> > Ricky >> > >> > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jeremy devros >> > wrote: >> >> Mecca! Very sweet. When is the official release? >> >> J.D. >> >> >> >> deafrose58 >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500 >> >> Subject: OT: Mecca >> >> From: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> >> Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca." >> >> http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests >> >> >> >> Feedback much appreciated! >> >> >> >> Ricky >> >> >> > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 7 23:29:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BCA33BE97; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 23:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6z5ouRhoNWQj3vszqu4qHeiQl+zHNPczLhKr2Ofd1PQ=; b=UuczwyXNbINANTznm6ExqkIJlvWabwJwW2UVGCrjfF/25zn5dApsFi0NYb4ouXgNn7 WGYlC4uoWJUFT34liPvOgs2oCeEeOLei8B2nSGE9UjmqIHzu8bgHNT5BF7zDxfD0v7Hz LjxNcq/ZYxLUJ/myJSTiUwOIJNdSE/YyQ6GD0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=X8qmrr/JmOemQTYjP0CPoKpKEfxpspF1s2o76lv3z1ZTiMNll3wW4WX0kG+KNu7PLg a+Dxqp06wA2epjogUYVuAc+8N/VNkZJdf3oQy+t8tqHZF3jRw/oKUj3CfMCwLne4DrYn Ktl6l+8GcoaJ6+KCHkWpv6RiwICxBoctne42M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2FBC8A47-450D-4BF9-B7A8-1A5E8A7D0EC8@baymoon.com> References: <20100907092424.38B8C3BE97@arsenic.violacea.com> <2FBC8A47-450D-4BF9-B7A8-1A5E8A7D0EC8@baymoon.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 19:29:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Yet another Youtube post From: Todd Matthews To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 23:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Beautiful!! I loved both of the videos!! Look forward to the next ones, -Todd Matthews On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, William Walker wr= ote: > > JD wrote > > Nice work, Bill! > Shot w/ Zoom Q3? > JD > > thanks =A0man, yes a Q3 set on high setting with the studio monitors not = too > loud. > =A0Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 00:14:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 612913BE93; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <856ced2b6eb6771447769d3fbc55c2c1.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 20:15:01 -0400 Subject: OT: Thought some of you guitarist might like this From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Andr=E9_Donawa=22?= To: "Loopers-Delight Loopers-Delight" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:14:59 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOb3Crrlfh0&feature=sub Gotta love the name. Andre http://barbadosguitar.com/wordpress http://twitter.com/AndreDonawa http://www.andredonawa.com http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 00:30:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8B803BE94; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=LYfjascdfS8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=-tTWHOVuOCa8RkE0z_4A:9 a=_kLBFSkaAJGLt7R-AbJWdn0udGYA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=voZrjb6_8qcA:10 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <856ced2b6eb6771447769d3fbc55c2c1.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT: Thought some of you guitarist might like this X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:30:27 -0700 References: <856ced2b6eb6771447769d3fbc55c2c1.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 00:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Sure do. Thanks for sharing the link. On Sep 7, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Andr=E9 Donawa wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBOb3Crrlfh0&feature=3Dsub > > Gotta love the name. > > Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 04:29:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ECE93BE93; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 04:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=uV26lZxe//Q5EvOyM8DVN8VnUh80n0IaRIgOl2OwJng=; b=lM+xm2qFSsd3qRxVapksK5gHYRY6RlQox/Gsq7ltkHtEi2s6RThIRtTNZyDBlsUSYE OkbUo2FdH9/jKVR+vdAvfnbYBWPDQsq2G3fqswLn+R+siPxuUACUlhwh3X6Z4OaoatiR Yxw7e6MQh18iVMYiL5z1oIgQX8Loyg++Ubo7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=U0IXZYlifu8Ube3Ot2ktd4J/HmHzwYMZPrXKHvG4KcbEW+dp5FlS555Qv4cqo+E1we K2So9eEZMn6ixziF+spWBbcjlxF3Nk0KUvl0gCE3tu0jdP4x3TjtUuChi4yJanqKcUaQ NAfvYqr8U5E/ARGfmZvbpf56GckLWtMFoN2S8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C86A443.7070609@cruzio.com> References: <4C86A443.7070609@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 05:29:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 04:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Rick. I'll let you know when the CD is ready. On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > =A0Dear Ricky, > > I've been so busy with the logistics of this huge 10th anniversary > loopfestival > that I've not been able to follow much of the artistic output at Loopers > Delight > lately. > > I finally got a chance to listen to Mecca today.............WOW!!!!! > This is really wonderful. > > You've got glitch and melody, =A0very cool drum programming, the whole > enchilada. > > I wanna buy the CD. =A0let us know when it comes out. > > Rick Walker > > ps truly wishing that an angel would come forth and pay for your flight t= o > California so you could play this festival that you deserve to be feature= d > at! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 05:07:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23ABE3BE91; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 05:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:07:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 05:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Per wrote: Very interesting topic! :-)) Ten years ago I was only comfortable, playing (and imagining - "playing in the mind") the times 4/4 and 6/8., I knew Dave Brubeck's classic Take Five and Paul McCartney's Bond, theme Live and Let Die with the riff in 5/4, but I had not played, hands-on in 5/4. Very much thanks to Rick's inspiration I started, learning 5/4 by tapping one hand's fingers, thumb indicating each, bar's downbeat, and thinking improvised melodies that fit in with that, groove. With that method it took a day to incorporate it with my usual, musical reactions so I could move on to using real instruments to play, in 5/4. The turning point is to get comfortable with the new groove, so you won't have to think about it when improvising., If looping with an EDP or with Mobius there is a good and fun exercise, you can do. Set the "8ths Per Cycle" to 5 or 10 and start doing, "Substitue Stuff" (replacing quantized slices of the loop with your live audio input). I prefere 10 for playing in 5/4 because that makes, you substitute 8th notes - if one Cycle equals one bar, that is., In my looping setup I keep a bunch of fast commands to switch "8ths Per Cycle" for the particular reason of moving between different time, measures when improvising. But I restrict my options to these five:, - "8ths Per Cycle = 16" for playing normal four-on-the-floor music., - "8ths Per Cycle = 10" for playing in 5/4., - "8ths Per Cycle = 12" for playing in 6/8., - "8ths Per Cycle = 14" for playing in 7/8 (this one I like very much)., - "8ths Per Cycle = 9" for playing in 9/8 (this is pretty new to me)., For each of these five alternatives I also have a special "fast button" to set the grid to 64th note duration. This is for creating, glitchy granular loops that will nevertheless lock into the odd groove, as they evolve., 7/8 is a favorite of mine. This groove tends to give any noise you, play a mesmerizing rhythm. A simple but very rewarding trick. To learn, it quickly you can use the finger tapping method and imagine each bar, as "4 fingers + 3 fingers". A different approach to 7/8 would be "3 fingers + 4 fingers" per Great points per, I have been infatuated with what Quantize Replace on the Looperlative, the equivalant function the EDP's 8th per Cycle replace function, can do to create odd time groupings. I have set up my LP-1 so that each track is preset to the following Quantize Replace factors. trk 1 is a value of 16 , trk 2 is a value of 12 , trk3 is 9, trk 4 is 16 again, trk5 is 10, track 6 is 12 again, trk 7 is 7 and trk 8 is 16, once again. Tracks 1, 4 and 8 are for doing 16th note replaces which I use the most for 4/4 based time signatures, but I have been delving in to 9, 10 and 7 beat divisions as well as 12 beats which is one of my favorites for 3/4 6/8 and 12/8 grooves. Combing them can work as well, example: a 16 beat division against a 9 beat, but more than two beat divisions at athe same time can get cluttered really quickly. its also fun to have non synced loops of various lengths and time signature playing together but requires a higher degree of skill and awareness of the one whereas Quantize Replace can get even people without much odd meter experience taka taka taka takita -ing in no time. Realy fun stuff, and stimulating and challenging as well. its one thing to play melodically and fluidly over 4/4 and another thing to do the same thing over a 9/8 without sounding herky jerky. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 07:59:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73F5B3BE93; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:59:25 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/LcthLoF/L/ria+VwuxFqazxkYr8SpyiJwUFpO8c A1556lVym5MJoQzFCyhOLYg7NjOXpQpI+CxA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: DjbiPH8CZCEEWsdhnm0h98R4IGhpZYYi X-FuHaFi: 0.72999999999999998 Resent-Message-ID: <_GfvwD.A.RtH.gJ0hMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark >aha.. lots of new stuff to try GREAT!!!!! I have modified almost every command to do exactly what I want. Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can achieve pretty much everything else with Mobius. best regards Buzap -- GMX DSL SOMMER-SPECIAL: Surf & Phone Flat 16.000 für nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 08:24:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40FD43BE95; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:24:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XcMyjDlxQ637dxieFY5irB22tkRYmJTuYMaZd90NE68=; b=Uhkev86Ru3Jp1T8gAViGpR7pQVmg/AOFWB1V3RhmJJeV2rmzcZcwb6HJwTIZrkbGRn cXBo2HlHfxBeWDhuH9oZzpqlpjh9vuJ8zFcytu3SLxilVm6ZP1iPnjvU4Mqtd1qHubQ9 vpL4LcLDamCXfol8Iq1pMsmmuXt5km2z+PWkg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gLu6Ok6gF8jt73sfvznkNubQMsf4QoMlZlNxEn2kBAcd0QQKA116Ku7CWcUptykSOc bHEIGNEB4m/J/0s/eXER0/W5VjLVoJY3WICkXpQ1BAJpcT4YjaYH9H1r4kJ5detPr1pi /Ltdqa2vAfPr54E/zMOUuIImN6gUz+3lY4+3Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:24:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <-LDPXC.A.kU.rg0hMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:24:11 +0000 (UTC) >>aha.. lots of new stuff to try GREAT!!!!! On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > I have modified almost every command to do exactly what I want. > Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can achieve pretty much everything else with Mobius. Check out the different options for *Shuffle"! It reminds a bit of loopwindowing in the EDP. But Mobius Shuffle only slices up the loop and reorders the slice (according to the chosen preset, or your own scripted). It can't snag snippets from older, now thrown away, parts of the loop. But Augustus Loop does that, if looking for a "software loop windowing" alternative. Per - programming Gordius Little Giant while listening to Finntroll http://bit.ly/chNgmU From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 08:26:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC2033BE95; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:26:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=EvERnKBV59cnVDgdsmxkVKDSEtTMg/3A2ePNmK+ypfc=; b=nhZKmnufTBYzylZmcB7LRLwkeaygaPTHukKhc9167EQUp0n3Mje/Hxp7K8y6z88nfP Szwkht1Z3Chnh2QEtnNTkax083H8wqHEDE3XoRxgPGPwXYleAGn5TdqUmAL4Ecd7TxQI bCaL8E8TFl+b6gCl+SU3UXUYwhu2HTKDfy3e0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=GqYJOhhi0lkrGh/nICsESLjZlw8Eb5jJfEKHH8P2OIr/R9FE8UEvyfGgca44aiCI8J LPZ5LyiZOsycnCyY8BZvHN8WbgCCkQwHFlVUyAj1RCBDppXBT6e4IMX1bHOLbrbPkXF0 J54PG+hNe+d+rqKOtjC/5liJi5vsUvFrboQrQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:26:30 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3yt93HTIIWzeugv_sdU1Em0syMI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630ff2f71e859048fbb46ad Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:26:51 +0000 (UTC) --00163630ff2f71e859048fbb46ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice to hear Buzap... on one point... >I will def be making a Live floating window version of the GUI!! I removed almost everything fro the gui now, reduced tracks to 4, just left the pie chart and volumes inputs actually per channel... I removed some of the default controls, and added some that wernt deafauly.= . BUT Can I move them now, to bunch them together or shrink them? I have a very EMPTY interace now, all I want is to see whats going on on each 4 tracks, the loop display thing, the UNDO thing, and all the more esoteric buttons, normal ones being handled by footpedal. OH and one more point... is it normal that Mobius/Live crashes if you divid= e the loop using instant divide, over and over till its just a buzz.. I do this on EDP by SUS MULT-ing on Mobius its cool as fuck, but tends to crash the machine if Im trying to divide TOOOO short.. is there a limit? and how can I stop it going past that limit? Buzap said... Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can achieve pretty much everything else with Mobius. I couldnt program this to save my life, but I know HOW you could do it... i= f Mobius commands happen immediatly... First record a long loop, say on 8th setting 16. Then run script that auto-divides by 16. (this just chops the loop down to a small portion) THEN run new script (the loop windowing script) Which will AT THE SAME TIME (or a micro second later) UNDO the loop back to full length, MOVE (or lag, or change start point or whatever this is called in Mobius) THEN auto divid= e down to 16ths again.. run the same script again to move one MORE chunk. so we are constantly (but immediatly) undoing back to fll length , moving thru by a 16th, then deviding back again... Could this work.. IF SO.. someone please program it for me!! Mark M. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Mark > > >aha.. lots of new stuff to try GREAT!!!!! > > I have modified almost every command to do exactly what I want. > Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can achieve pret= ty > much everything else with Mobius. > > best regards > Buzap > -- > GMX DSL SOMMER-SPECIAL: Surf & Phone Flat 16.000 f=FCr nur 19,99 Euro/mtl= .!* > http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00163630ff2f71e859048fbb46ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice to hear Buzap...

on one point...
>I will def be making a = Live floating window version of the GUI!!

I removed almost everythi= ng fro the gui now, reduced tracks to 4, just left the pie chart and volume= s inputs actually per channel...
I removed some of the default controls, and added some that wernt deafauly.= .

BUT

Can I move them now, to bunch them together or shrink = them? I have a very EMPTY interace now, all I want is to see whats going on= on each 4 tracks, the loop display thing, the UNDO thing, and all the more= esoteric buttons, normal ones being handled by footpedal.

OH and one more point... is it normal that Mobius/Live crashes if you d= ivide the loop using instant divide, over and over till its just a buzz.. I= do this on EDP by SUS MULT-ing on Mobius its cool as fuck, but tends to cr= ash the machine if Im trying to divide TOOOO short.. is there a limit? and = how can I stop it going past that limit?

=A0Buzap said...
Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can achieve pretty= much everything else with Mobius.

I couldnt program this to save my life, but I know HOW you could do it... i= f Mobius commands happen immediatly...

First record a long loop, say on 8th setting 16. Then run script that=20 auto-divides by 16. (this just chops the loop down to a small portion)
THEN run new script (the loop windowing script) Which will AT THE SAME=20 TIME (or a micro second later) UNDO the loop back to full length, MOVE=20 (or lag, or change start point or whatever this is called in Mobius)=20 THEN auto divide down to 16ths again.. run the same script again to move one MORE chunk. so we are constantly (but immediatly) undoing back to=20 fll length , moving thru by a 16th, then deviding back again...

Could this work..
IF SO.. someone please program it for me!!

Mark
=A0

M.




On Wed, Sep 8, 201= 0 at 9:59 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
Hi Mark

>aha.. lots of new stuff to try GREAT!!!!!

I have modified almost every command to do exactly what I want.
Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can achieve pretty= much everything else with Mobius.

best regards
Buzap
--
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--00163630ff2f71e859048fbb46ad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 08:28:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E70A93BE99; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=ZjyemHYjJobMJ6A6CpuSvp/ZnwAQMZmmPdhN0/Nfcss=; b=BBtU93s3zI+RBWw4hlxWAej7EM71KsVKTfAAZP2GSBTlj/IY/Y8veLnw1ZSUwf0WJY deUsfPVYPnlz5uRsXG9Ymmil6B7nRwwafeNju3aVsuuUpCAMgYeC8CL2x21RdYo0IZjX qeZ+i4QuEAg1h7oU7DSCNdspyN/W5hZnQLBW8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=V4ftW5hA0IHpcUz4sfiCdJX5PEp5RmudV+9Q1iMhtvXNY7OxJSCw1NQDsrnW3JjZx3 fUPfso3wQYflmQzdDwUaKqJahms/uNR3tppFaw161J82LwBQGHitKYILr50Qt3bM5ORr 5rxTP1C1Bo380tKn/i57ChPpyky0wajkiV1q8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:28:10 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YDCS1brU5MKoeDPbdX-DwfKJHX4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ed0a46615fd048fbb4c77 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:28:30 +0000 (UTC) --0016364ed0a46615fd048fbb4c77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Already there Per... Its fast becoming my favorite way of ending any command.. multiply> shuffle.. didn't know you could alter the way it works, actually I'm disapointed, I thought it was random!!! Mark On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >>aha.. lots of new stuff to try GREAT!!!!! > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > I have modified almost every command to do exactly what I want. > > Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can achieve > pretty much everything else with Mobius. > > > Check out the different options for *Shuffle"! It reminds a bit of > loopwindowing in the EDP. But Mobius Shuffle only slices up the loop > and reorders the slice (according to the chosen preset, or your own > scripted). It can't snag snippets from older, now thrown away, parts > of the loop. But Augustus Loop does that, if looking for a "software > loop windowing" alternative. > > Per > - programming Gordius Little Giant while listening to Finntroll > http://bit.ly/chNgmU > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016364ed0a46615fd048fbb4c77 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Already there Per... Its fast becoming my favorite way of ending any comman= d.. multiply> shuffle.. didn't know you could alter the way it works= , actually I'm disapointed, I thought it was random!!!

Mark

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Per Boysen = <perboysen@gmai= l.com> wrote:
>>aha.. lots of new stuff to try GREAT!!!!!

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> I have modified almost every command to do exactly what I want.
> Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can achieve p= retty much everything else with Mobius.


Check out the different options for *Shuffle"! It reminds a bit = of
loopwindowing in the EDP. But Mobius Shuffle only slices up the loop
and reorders the slice (according to the chosen preset, or your own
scripted). It can't snag snippets from older, now thrown away, parts of the loop. But Augustus Loop does that, if looking for a "software loop windowing" alternative.

Per
- programming Gordius Little Giant while listening to Finntroll
http://bit.ly/chNgmU=




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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancomb= e
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--0016364ed0a46615fd048fbb4c77-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 08:29:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2F003BE99; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PbEdGgBXQmziE08rSOa6SGtSj1kFyDMiDfgG5RvycoY=; b=Bz7RzxqcgEEp2YPWeMj1t3YSEnuf4cXVvKzD4mBtdroIYMqXnujcVuwGQ+gkdPHhv2 4RmVyOWqY7plPQPNrOwbBQUPXDlcm/nNClr0XwNds0Sn2PaBWCvEkQZlwnxqSKrwowQp xW/bQ9MgtUaX61V0pzMKFIliNIjzY4VDzTz8Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=NsQ3zMPz5u8kC5mzV5u7Y66PzIpT53Xz37Nrrt5VJCXIHs5F0QZiNsGW6N6Y8mGZMF rYwZoHuZtMDFKybbxRcT2tCEd+FqgCXe2eHJsdemWSXctpwsN0fARt5XDxFDJgOvRg4g r/cENRYdknuI2difrvwdRVftcSyScZLG4d5Bk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:29:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd254143a1bb3048fbb50f2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:29:41 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd254143a1bb3048fbb50f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I enjoyed your song, Ricky, beautiful sounds and intense atmosphere. -fabio www.eterogeneo.com 2010/9/7 tEd =AE kiLLiAn > I enjoyed this too. > > Nice work. > > Cool distressed/degenerated techno backing. > > ---- Ricky Graham wrote: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Thanks Luis. I will say "hi" to John for you. I may save the Belgian > beer until the CD is packaged! :) > > Take care man, > > Ricky > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Louie Angulo > wrote: > > Ricky it rocks! > > keep it up man and dont forget to say hello to Mr.King > > (how bout a Belgian beer?) > > Luis > > > > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Ricky Graham > > > wrote: > >> > >> And when I say digitally, I mean Wav, Mp3, Flac via the usual online > >> distributors/bandcamp etc. as well as a tangible disc :-) I need some > >> caffeine, me thinks. > >> > >> Ricky > >> > >> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ricky Graham > >> wrote: > >> > Hi Jeremy, > >> > > >> > We're looking at a release date around the end of September at the > >> > moment. The release will be available digitally and on CD. Thanks fo= r > >> > the kind words. > >> > > >> > Ricky > >> > > >> > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jeremy devros < > deafrose58@hotmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> Mecca! Very sweet. When is the official release? > >> >> J.D. > >> >> > >> >> deafrose58 > >> >> > >> >> ________________________________ > >> >> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500 > >> >> Subject: OT: Mecca > >> >> From: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com > >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> >> > >> >> Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca." > >> >> http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests > >> >> > >> >> Feedback much appreciated! > >> >> > >> >> Ricky > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > --000e0cd254143a1bb3048fbb50f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I enjoyed=A0your song, Ricky, beautiful sounds and intense atmosphere.=
=A0
-fabio
=A0


=A0
2010/9/7 tEd =AE kiLLiAn <<= a href=3D"mailto:tedkillian@charter.net">tedkillian@charter.net>
I enjoyed this too.

Nice = work.

Cool distressed/degenerated techno backing.

---- Ricky = Graham <rickygrahammusic@g= mail.com> wrote:

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Thanks Luis. I will say "hi" to John for you. I= may save the Belgian
beer until the CD is packaged! :)

Take care= man,

Ricky

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Louie Angulo
<louie.angulo@googlemail.= com> wrote:
> Ricky it rocks!
> keep it up man and dont = forget to say hello to Mr.King
> (how bout a Belgian beer?)
> L= uis
>
> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com>
>= wrote:
>>
>> And when I say digitally, I mean Wav, Mp3, = Flac via the usual online
>> distributors/bandcamp etc. as well as a tangible disc :-) I need s= ome
>> caffeine, me thinks.
>>
>> Ricky
>&= gt;
>> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ricky Graham
>> &= lt;rickygrahammusic@gmail.com= > wrote:
>> > Hi Jeremy,
>> >
>> > We're lookin= g at a release date around the end of September at the
>> > mom= ent. The release will be available digitally and on CD. Thanks for
>&= gt; > the kind words.
>> >
>> > Ricky
>> >
>> > On S= at, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jeremy devros <deafrose58@hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>= ;> >> Mecca! Very sweet. When is the official release?
>> >> J.D.
>> >>
>> >> deafrose58=
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________=
>> >> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500
>> >= > Subject: OT: Mecca
>> >> From: ricky= grahammusic@gmail.com
>> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
&= gt;> >>
>> >> Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca."
>>= >> http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests
>> >>
>> >> Feedback much appreciated!
>> >>
>&g= t; >> Ricky
>> >>
>> >
>>
>=
>



--000e0cd254143a1bb3048fbb50f2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 08:29:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CECAC3BEA9; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=vVrTFw3vdcQFGx46WscirinjZmMYhuSyKzWWMLQHEHk=; b=AHKjB58mgKDChiFhzwLe3Els08Z+maENcD/p3MrQO6JsrQZYzxp3oFtyK3Y5siSMwK EB55U+piC0LO/zlhj7LWBLjUvbz6ItlU3e0NLeJyijhedgkdTiA7y0lyCd3pFFKO6xZh oidcae1TuwWt9HFwU2W9bOnSSdCRbsggDmvzU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=V2f704l3F9R16m9wCyuJNlQEa9qAnMRCYsYS2Pz6vrv5do3Cy44mkt6/PdMdcPg6ch +iJgrzy6cV4tF/5pTBGMqKxFjYwz0IqO/Q6+3R3GlYuQYXCnHxFv6KKr5zpBdO7b2lYb pDDlWpGeqxctpsVMH74NaMjsMyadYW6jOzpHk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:29:32 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9n1zine9x_dhWfBlXj50U2K38Yw Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0014853493a448fec3048fbb511d Resent-Message-ID: <5rm1K.A.Dn.Am0hMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:29:52 +0000 (UTC) --0014853493a448fec3048fbb511d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 FINNTROLL! GGGGWWWAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Already there Per... Its fast becoming my favorite way of ending any > command.. multiply> shuffle.. didn't know you could alter the way it works, > actually I'm disapointed, I thought it was random!!! > > Mark > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> >>aha.. lots of new stuff to try GREAT!!!!! >> >> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> >> > I have modified almost every command to do exactly what I want. >> > Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can achieve >> pretty much everything else with Mobius. >> >> >> Check out the different options for *Shuffle"! It reminds a bit of >> loopwindowing in the EDP. But Mobius Shuffle only slices up the loop >> and reorders the slice (according to the chosen preset, or your own >> scripted). It can't snag snippets from older, now thrown away, parts >> of the loop. But Augustus Loop does that, if looking for a "software >> loop windowing" alternative. >> >> Per >> - programming Gordius Little Giant while listening to Finntroll >> http://bit.ly/chNgmU >> >> > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0014853493a448fec3048fbb511d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FINNTROLL! GGGGWWWAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
Already there Per= ... Its fast becoming my favorite way of ending any command.. multiply> = shuffle.. didn't know you could alter the way it works, actually I'= m disapointed, I thought it was random!!!

Mark

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Per Boysen = <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>aha.. lots of new stuff to try GREAT!!!!!

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> I have modified almost every command to do exactly what I want.
> Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can achieve p= retty much everything else with Mobius.


Check out the different options for *Shuffle"! It reminds a bit = of
loopwindowing in the EDP. But Mobius Shuffle only slices up the loop
and reorders the slice (according to the chosen preset, or your own
scripted). It can't snag snippets from older, now thrown away, parts of the loop. But Augustus Loop does that, if looking for a "software loop windowing" alternative.

Per
- programming Gordius Little Giant while listening to Finntroll
http://bit.ly/chNgmU=







--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--0014853493a448fec3048fbb511d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 08:32:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 363E83BEC7; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MuSaOsrqHkhqs9bRG9LG8d7qUvTQY37G3Te8g56OnNk=; b=LxLkJn3fZzk85/sqlhlOX3ov8ga/hIkRs8lHtgtFe4rH/QLz3kzDlVSr9MT9PM/8Nk cl8OJ0p8trUxl0+qlzW+5AVjiXZ4TTWSw6OJ3C/+e5G/QwX1YnJgXuhrUoCy1gUfwBqL v0KWM3mR2a0g0X5dBBmCv5RfyaTJqEFlq0nzY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=bRt4piKAb2L47rhrd9fh4HHVkezOHYx0gqS2CF0vTMHX4PiUP7Tgqi1xmAx7Hg50fu 7+LUHIyNsUfW/juJvNs7vlfLCAJ4Fklel/fjHPZxLbdOJUaWPsdjAEcRtxr4jVTPuVFJ BmqyFFWTHPxB+Bvx/nl37ygY9Z4YLd7d+Ty7c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:32:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:32:29 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Already there Per... Its fast becoming my favorite way of ending any > command.. multiply> shuffle.. didn't know you could alter the way it works, > actually I'm disapointed, I thought it was random!!! Shuffle has four modes as optional preset. One of them is random. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 08:35:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E17DC3BEA9; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=tSyK8K677fU6YapVZi3yFHXaRTf0ZnrLLH/7iehSLuk=; b=eqFq1xItlbu4P/JnUj39Uj8xjJFbAwhDqplzaIEJpG8lGzr9H/hPRtfknCPuqM8fO4 9sMY+7n0sfVQpjOQrRCSyoDR6uV5p3+7X9qrLFBKTJaYasthqc52kW+0UIV5PTkRScKi BaHoIytrFLhXXkf5TNHdAkC0wcmYKHqxZx9uk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=EHotTRn6oFzOdli+yAvsrzoe2dbISldPEuCM5Xe0RnkGihw8ph/0iezIpn+wH/a7fY kY5oWf8uEkWCkVvyf7tUfbN1uidJh8w5AHWQO40lP3Mw/5A2DCFRo/9W/2rqRSxrZeW6 UnEtF//sB7H8abasz0OPmc9tzNvMRvdanmmYA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:35:37 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: df6CMUcUihVVBxLkG4bFl7FtJ-8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630f7390b010d048fbb675a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:35:57 +0000 (UTC) --00163630f7390b010d048fbb675a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It could be that Ive set it to random, and forgot it then.. sounds pretty random to me! On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Already there Per... Its fast becoming my favorite way of ending any > > command.. multiply> shuffle.. didn't know you could alter the way it > works, > > actually I'm disapointed, I thought it was random!!! > > Shuffle has four modes as optional preset. One of them is random. > > Per > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00163630f7390b010d048fbb675a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It could be that Ive set it to random, and forgot it then.. sounds pretty r= andom to me!

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:32= AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Already there Per... Its fast becoming my favorite way of ending any > command.. multiply> shuffle.. didn't know you could alter the w= ay it works,
> actually I'm disapointed, I thought it was random!!!

Shuffle has four modes as optional preset. One of them is random.

Per




--
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www.ordoabkhao.com
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--00163630f7390b010d048fbb675a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 09:05:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 315B33BED2; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 315052.4656.bm@omp117.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283936729; bh=CZDBgLKM7I9mHrBMAylPKMPoNJ5XVSnGFGzg9V/IdbY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0fK1VwWtKyuvl5E+1jPa6DNJi7jnG3jCyS0RcR0qyD64xv8n2r6cioBFykATZMcrcUDWb5YI7ScjmVHFgH350NU2/wLKWdR36wAH+NfmH4AzzhOzpvlqgZ3b2kg4VLKs7N4B06oD+v9sckM5ol+cifcNNHXtuoyVeMNsyYwy7eM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H7ViGMBFIcNrzlmFPdgOLMoyUKnyVc+FO1eRyemkZL7rDInLoGVK27SXleSaTTXFhHiIq1Xc5/qojIHp6PqSZoctXF809/zI/04NpmrrTNGAEtd7KdmYuTyxZZhhuHjqxvzxltJoBPXlWBh0Fc6wb8DKUZBw7PXsaoxMmMBs8fc=; Message-ID: <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: igYdWvYVM1khvxnHZsqiBsRJKVqqkhGPNkZhozRUguGqAiT HyrC92ySxAFildYDNpaQIzDJyfoAOsTgXPzlBCOXYjfySXmxgkaRCEfeXPQa n1p5G3CYYuCWtCsF0tQQSM3T3EElm2Fme_Q.U1KwKKBhGkG88nOFEjv2Hbr4 EhDB0hDaOv0S3ne0jcYMkvSH2sxx0QnZG3KsECcI7M.FxAVcEutWmGzdUfsQ 3LY0Yg5u94AboFV5i_w4OitoauFWZSJOJHXvdzpCeuAsdd4zZqPkK32IRUoo AVKu0aGkkPOQTnbD.njmSlIn83TEzBAKg.sUmr.UL2yNDvhMgevlU4HTJlx1 EvA8I X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 02:05:29 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: Mecca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-432198992-1283936729=:52214" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:05:31 +0000 (UTC) --0-432198992-1283936729=:52214 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable gotta love those bad beats=0A=0AAntony=0Awww.mund.fr=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____= ___________________________=0AFrom: Fabio_A =0ATo: Lo= opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Wed, September 8, 2010 10:29:34 A= M=0ASubject: Re: OT: Mecca=0A=0A=0AI enjoyed your song, Ricky, beautiful so= unds and intense atmosphere.=0A =0A-fabio=0Awww.eterogeneo.com=0A =0A=0A=0A= =0A2010/9/7 tEd =AE kiLLiAn =0A=0AI enjoyed this t= oo.=0A>=0A>Nice work.=0A>=0A>Cool distressed/degenerated techno backing.=0A= >=0A>---- Ricky Graham wrote:=0A>=0A>=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A>=0A>Thanks Luis. I will say "hi" to John = for you. I may save the Belgian=0A>beer until the CD is packaged! :)=0A>=0A= >Take care man,=0A>=0A>Ricky=0A>=0A>On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Louie A= ngulo=0A> wrote:=0A>> Ricky it rocks!=0A>> kee= p it up man and dont forget to say hello to Mr.King=0A>> (how bout a Belgia= n beer?)=0A>> Luis=0A>>=0A>> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Ricky Graham <= rickygrahammusic@gmail.com>=0A>> wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>> And when I say digitall= y, I mean Wav, Mp3, Flac via the usual online=0A>>> distributors/bandcamp e= tc. as well as a tangible disc :-) I need some=0A>>> caffeine, me thinks.= =0A>>>=0A>>> Ricky=0A>>>=0A>>> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ricky Graha= m=0A>>> wrote:=0A>>> > Hi Jeremy,=0A>>> >=0A>>= > > We're looking at a release date around the end of September at the=0A>>= > > moment. The release will be available digitally and on CD. Thanks for= =0A>>> > the kind words.=0A>>> >=0A>>> > Ricky=0A>>> >=0A>>> > On Sat, Sep = 4, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jeremy devros =0A>>> > wrote:= =0A>>> >> Mecca! Very sweet. When is the official release?=0A>>> >> J.D.=0A= >>> >>=0A>>> >> deafrose58=0A>>> >>=0A>>> >> ______________________________= __=0A>>> >> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500=0A>>> >> Subject: OT: Mecc= a=0A>>> >> From: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com=0A>>> >> To: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com=0A>>> >>=0A>>> >> Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca."=0A>= >> >> http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests=0A>>> >>=0A>>> >> Feedback m= uch appreciated!=0A>>> >>=0A>>> >> Ricky=0A>>> >>=0A>>> >=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>= =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-432198992-1283936729=:52214 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
gotta love those bad beats

Antony
www.mund.fr

From: Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com>To: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com
Sent: W= ed, September 8, 2010 10:29:34 AM
= Subject: Re: OT: Mecca

=0A
I enjoyed your= song, Ricky, beautiful sounds and intense atmosphere.
=0A
 <= /div>=0A
-fabio
=0A=0A
 <= /div>=0A


 
=0A
2010/9/7 tEd= =AE kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>
=0A
I enjoyed this too.

Nice work.
Cool distressed/degenerated techno backing.

---- Ricky Graham <<= a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:rickygrahammusic@gmail.com" target=3D"= _blank" href=3D"mailto:rickygrahammusic@gmail.com">rickygrahammusic@gmail.c= om> wrote:
=0A
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=0A<= div>=0A
=0A
Thanks Luis. I will say "hi" to John= for you. I may save the Belgian
beer until the CD is packaged! :)
Take care man,

Ricky

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Louie = Angulo
=0A<loui= e.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Ricky it rocks!
> keep= it up man and dont forget to say hello to Mr.King
> (how bout a Belg= ian beer?)
> Luis
=0A>
> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM, = Ricky Graham <rickyg= rahammusic@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> And whe= n I say digitally, I mean Wav, Mp3, Flac via the usual online
=0A>>= ; distributors/bandcamp etc. as well as a tangible disc :-) I need some
= >> caffeine, me thinks.
>>
>> Ricky
>>
= >> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ricky Graham
>> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
=0A>> > Hi Jeremy,
>> >
>> = > We're looking at a release date around the end of September at the
= >> > moment. The release will be available digitally and on CD. Th= anks for
>> > the kind words.
=0A>> >
>> &= gt; Ricky
>> >
>> > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:56 AM= , Jeremy devros <deafrose58@= hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Mecca! Ver= y sweet. When is the official release?
=0A>> >> J.D.
>= > >>
>> >> deafrose58
>> >>
>&= gt; >> ________________________________
>> >> Date: Fr= i, 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500
>> >> Subject: OT: Mecca
=0A= >> >> From: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com
>> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers= -delight.com
>> >>
=0A>> >> Sneak peak of= title track, "Mecca."
>> >> http://www.myspace.com/signal= sundertests
>> >>
=0A>> >> Feedbac= k much appreciated!
>> >>
>> >> Ricky
>= > >>
>> >
>>
>
>



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=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A --0-432198992-1283936729=:52214-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 09:24:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6613D3BE91; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 490349340/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.194/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.194 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiECAIfzhkxYbRfC/2dsb2JhbAAHk1mFJsZWhT0E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,333,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="490349340" Message-ID: <4C875654.9010408@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 10:24:36 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Abelton Live question References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_AVcj.A.OmB.WZ1hMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:24:38 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Buzap said... > Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can achieve > pretty much everything else with Mobius. > but he doesn't mean "everything else possible with the edp" of course andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 09:31:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 546F33BE91; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=drGot86OBQFr4Ro/vC/obpLQgYa6h3I0XfgUq8FnJG4=; b=S4for3hAlcE70mM5x6xXidWUPQUb8GAV8wNZ2aqruqCqTECiL4NxF5cJS9a6YnWo2c TZk3ULajYATvNI8wqasPSzOJ98UOT/z11Ko9do9VXsMnI42Syu9pt7Ci0NG9D8o8Ts5G z3Rv2VEpWA/Kz+GUIXwWYHINwwJyIeoLSCNp0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=r/XLTUKci35VAXmp+wQhFKv7tdwg2VyHBl8goq/XVpsIUyiQAXGhxLwtPNa07DdRPF c36L7WlU6FLA6a7KNJjox1WqGtAlQyb19V0bgRISoVbAtFa+Koea9Ave47yHqrksrsWC tADIhlRKSgo4Iff0lAZMrEmP73hafB0QEbMfs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C875654.9010408@tiscali.co.uk> References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> <4C875654.9010408@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:31:08 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uscWmDIdJQ3o8hp0FSyA59BxHsU Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd5da9addde048fbc2d64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:31:29 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cd5da9addde048fbc2d64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You cannot for example fill a 1 U space in a rack with Mobius... that would be a happy day! On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:24 AM, andy butler wrote: > > > mark francombe wrote: > > Buzap said... >> Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can achieve >> pretty much everything else with Mobius. >> >> > but he doesn't mean "everything else possible with the edp" of course > > andy > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0015175cd5da9addde048fbc2d64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You cannot for example fill a 1 U space in a rack with Mobius... that would= be a happy day!

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1= 1:24 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


mark francombe wrote:

=A0Buzap said...
Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can achieve pretty= much everything else with Mobius.


but he doesn't mean "everything else possible with the edp" o= f course

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--0015175cd5da9addde048fbc2d64-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 09:35:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BEC93BEA9; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=G8S1QbSvwQN8HnwpuUQv71nS6GSm0oz+BP12XNfTh8M=; b=FjMPySyXGN9GK0gKPpC90Iq33/I9VjoeLhGPtWxqJb+Zr9HYPEVMVbDS8JtVYGhIe/ h326+yZQ0fI9EHlEKvAzpiW14t1/xsa4I4Jl++lUUWJGyul2hnnDyn8cnveKZGeOlYeV ZRT8tctGRpxVIschTIOCUh7enulj1R9jsL9wA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=OdNGOiO0QRQyKmGVNnUrEGmled3uMjgCRJfqTavAs/JWVDJETjoS5OTLIJVy5hE2Ib rNO/7GtYV+W9JKJQaqXf79ytzG8X4e1yvM6ZczgifLOxq/mH4h3taTFE/AsAxDyCTjon nK/cnw4dty0TFEcLFIHqif7patjK/FCRMNoaM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> <4C875654.9010408@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:35:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Abelton Live question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:35:08 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:31 AM, mark francombe wrote: > You cannot for example fill a 1 U space in a rack with Mobius... that would > be a happy day! Wot! Can't you pop a Mac Mini into that space? And aren't there Windows loaded machines of a rack format? (normally used as servers) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 10:00:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 608CC3BE97; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1373 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 10:00:36 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: Abelton Live question From: Reyn Ouwehand In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:37:41 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> <4C875654.9010408@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Yeh, I was thinking of buying an Apple Xserve once to put in my rack... http://www.apple.com/xserve/ On Sep 8, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:31 AM, mark francombe = wrote: >> You cannot for example fill a 1 U space in a rack with Mobius... that = would >> be a happy day! >=20 > Wot! Can't you pop a Mac Mini into that space? And aren't there > Windows loaded machines of a rack format? (normally used as servers) >=20 > per >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 10:05:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A9C23BEA4; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3cQLIVKlvywkR6DYA9kg8UmdAef0GY5A1ocGkHioAvE=; b=eLV36A7V8RczEOMd3ft0OBQWOascGTp4ZRQu8lTR9yQVdHVLTXU1qLSOrVTnpOnFJg Slifhc1yZjBk5j7LIcU8ez766Ke1XNlJwObCMP0hmjqQfbYc/fxXDGrmxJJik6DuwmjK uKwZDkikkba8F4r+IcpTibgFsl7RBusSNwfog= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ppf4Jz+jikAPONaiZyRty8KaNzz89crU0UEMbgxg0yPpLMKZ6BepTMevQKR/xf979P kYTJskg1JOJGOh2X1eyGRA9hAMJhSnVGAuHEOd03TsT/jCnwlf0OvBSrl6sgphFto3Ao 4KT3Ek+pnkUuJCEl4X4/uHRzVM0kkuMTkySPQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:05:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Thanks! :-) On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:05 AM, wrote: > gotta love those bad beats > > Antony > www.mund.fr > > > ________________________________ > From: Fabio_A > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 10:29:34 AM > Subject: Re: OT: Mecca > > I enjoyed=A0your song, Ricky, beautiful sounds and intense atmosphere. > > -fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > > > 2010/9/7 tEd =AE kiLLiAn >> >> I enjoyed this too. >> >> Nice work. >> >> Cool distressed/degenerated techno backing. >> >> ---- Ricky Graham wrote: >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> Thanks Luis. I will say "hi" to John for you. I may save the Belgian >> beer until the CD is packaged! :) >> >> Take care man, >> >> Ricky >> >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Louie Angulo >> wrote: >> > Ricky it rocks! >> > keep it up man and dont forget to say hello to Mr.King >> > (how bout a Belgian beer?) >> > Luis >> > >> > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Ricky Graham >> > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> And when I say digitally, I mean Wav, Mp3, Flac via the usual online >> >> distributors/bandcamp etc. as well as a tangible disc :-) I need some >> >> caffeine, me thinks. >> >> >> >> Ricky >> >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ricky Graham >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hi Jeremy, >> >> > >> >> > We're looking at a release date around the end of September at the >> >> > moment. The release will be available digitally and on CD. Thanks f= or >> >> > the kind words. >> >> > >> >> > Ricky >> >> > >> >> > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jeremy devros >> >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> Mecca! Very sweet. When is the official release? >> >> >> J.D. >> >> >> >> >> >> deafrose58 >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500 >> >> >> Subject: OT: Mecca >> >> >> From: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com >> >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> >> >> >> Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca." >> >> >> http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests >> >> >> >> >> >> Feedback much appreciated! >> >> >> >> >> >> Ricky >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 10:06:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 304C03BEB2; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C876028.5070405@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:06:32 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Bill Walker said, "its one thing to play melodically and fluidly over 4/4 and another thing to do the same thing over a 9/8 without sounding herky jerky." Yeah Bill, you said a mouth full there. Lately, and coincidentally, I've been really deeply into both 9/8 and 10/8. I too, have my LP-1 set to 4/4, 6/8, 7/8, 9/8, 10/8 and 12/8 with an additional 1/64th note for glitchy fun. They finally put Dave Bruebecks' long out of print record, 'Time In' out in a remastered version on CD. As you know , because we wrote an answer song to the beautiful 9/8 tune, "Forty Day's" called "Forty Nights" in Worlds Collide, that tune is in a 3-3-2-2, 10/8. I've just had it on repeat in my car for days since I got it in the mail. Joe Morello's drumming is so unbelievably fluid (and much more so than on the famous earlier 9/8, 'Blue Ronda A La Turk" off of the 'Time In' record. I'm just trying to train myself to be able to do what he did 50 years ago. It's awe inspiring how fluid he is. ***** Here's a game I've been playing lately to amuse myself and to help my writing: I've really been into the fact that a 9/8 can also be thought of as a 3/4 with triplet 8th notes as the 'sub pulse' (the fourth bar of the four bar phrase from Blue Ronda A La Turk) which goes 2-2-2-3, 2-2-2-3, 2-2-2-3, 3-3-3 The hip thing about the 9/8 is that 4 measures of it equals three measures of 12/8, so you can get a very hip poly-measure thing happening that comes back every two bars (so it's musical simple and viable). a phrase of 12/8 (as in a typical West African Bell line) goes like this * 6/8 ||: X * X * X X * X * X * X :||* So if you impose this over a typical 9/8 Bell ostinato, say *9/8 ||: X * X * X * X * X :||* You can get this interesting polyrhtymic juxtaposition *9/8 ||: _X_ * X * X X * X * | X * X _X_ * X * X X | * X * X * X_ X_ * X | * X X * X * X * X : ||* Now if you think of this four bar phrase as triplet 8th notes in 3/4 you get: *4/4 || X * X * X X * X * | X * X X * X * X X | * X * X * X X * X | * X X * X * X * X :|| 1 + a 2 + a 3 + a 1 + a 2 + a 3 + a 1 + a 2 + a 3 + a 1 + a 2 + a 3 + a * Below are all the triple eight note permutations: (Q) X * * (T) X X * (W) X X X 1 + a 1 + a 1 + a (R) * X * (U) * X X (X) * * * 1 + a 1 + a 1 + a (S) * * X (V) X * X 1 + a 1 + a Note the constant appearance of these three rhythmic figures that are found constantly in both West African Music and Modern Jazz (R), (U) 'offbeat triplets' and (V) 'shuffles in the above juxtaposed pattern. The pattern goes like this: 9/8 ||: V U R | V V U | R V V | U R V :|| You are playing a polyrhythm in two time signatures but it can easily sound like a Jazz Waltz...............cool, hunh? Enjoy, I am!!!! Rick * * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 10:58:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 937893BE93; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: Subject: RE: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:58:07 +0200 Message-ID: <279751EC7FD14193A73BCBA792C81186@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: ActPQc5i+Rz5oWV2RSK6RVqzGK6vagAAkshg X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.4.50; VDF: 7.10.11.105) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:58:10 +0000 (UTC) > Quantize Replace can get even people without much odd meter experience taka taka taka takita -ing in no time I wish you or one of our other loop digeratis would do a series of loop clinic youtube flicks, explaining in detail, from simple to sophisticated, how to do this with the looperlative and with the EDP (or whatever other boxes can do it), demonstrating what can be done with it. I've used these boxes for years now and still haven't gotten around finding out some of the tricks that are possible, so I could still learn something, and certainly videos like that would turn on more people to use them in more sophisticated ways. Just my 2 cents -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 11:02:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32F783BEA2; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 490219074/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.194/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.194 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhoCAAYKh0xYbRfC/2dsb2JhbAAHk1jLVoU9BI9y X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,333,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="490219074" Message-ID: <4C876D40.3060009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:02:24 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Abelton Live question References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> <4C875654.9010408@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:02:29 +0000 (UTC) hm now I'm going to live in fear of having to explain why that made me LOL andy mark francombe wrote: > You cannot for example fill a 1 U space in a rack with Mobius... that > would be a happy day! > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:24 AM, andy butler > wrote: > > > > mark francombe wrote: > > Buzap said... > Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can > achieve pretty much everything else with Mobius. > > > but he doesn't mean "everything else possible with the edp" of course > > andy > > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 11:24:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59D733BE95; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 490433089/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.194/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.194 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhoCAKYPh0xYbRfC/2dsb2JhbAAHk1jLU4U9BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,333,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="490433089" Message-ID: <4C877256.5010100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:24:06 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:24:07 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking > IS 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if > you remove the er... 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean? > The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the notes in right place is *success*, and leave it at that. A stiff 4/4 where you see the player's lips move as they go "1 er and a..." isn't much fun to listen to. Same with polyrhythms. I can just about do 7 against 5 with right and left hands. It's not practical to think of the subdivisions, to learn it you have to 1) work out a beat so that the 2 hands are at least tapping away in the right places. 2) get in going, in this case with the right hand doing a regular 7 tap, and the left flapping away at an inaccurate travesty of 5. 3) make a perceptual shift to listen to the left hand, and then even it up. ..it feels good when hearing the 5 get even, and the 7 sort of running away over the top, but musical?..... well one day maybe. When I'm allowed to play drums (not often) I have a 5 against 4 beat where the left hand in 4 plays 3 toms in sequence while the right hand stays on the ride, a poly within poly effect...I think it sounds cool, especially if I can get the kick on every other beat of the 5 ( another simple poly). I guess that makes the tom figure in 3/1.25 ..or the ride in 5/0.8 andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 11:38:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 088D53BE94; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=y+8OkjIWBKsMRmiMySP2OXaXkfmfDlZi/NCBmTIJxLA=; b=q88sJP58yikQRb2UYZjEfKv+XRwb9dacQh1bPK2tMfqHdEOl1yZvDidcADYrwe+IwM PZqFiDARVf7pquHz9XG7mcUxmdMZEZTp8LKpil3/DmrESbeu7nrtw4yo1Wr2lhdvpDVc Pp7FOQlZZgWGtCIId+lnw6Ss4g8fTgzOgL6rM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=EowXit+BhldGn5AZ7O/OcS255puRwpqeHsxpnFM3IxcUIi5my+LkK0TmF5nnXvovTD TzHiC2PwenP123rfpi+FSX+v8jiXee71Ab5j2DO0KPQbcEZ5F9tsg7yX/WT9jEhqSbX/ wTlMYVwvaZUtv1vtUi50FKrvatX0/3IAi8Heg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C877256.5010100@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> <4C877256.5010100@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:37:58 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -yb4Fs_nC-PzpTji7QKOU9xk6PQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f9729423ad17d048fbdf343 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:38:19 +0000 (UTC) --00c09f9729423ad17d048fbdf343 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler wrote: > mark francombe wrote: > > clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking >> IS 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the er... >> 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean? >> >> > The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the > notes in right place is *success*, > and leave it at that. > My point entirely! As a musician I can=B4t help but be a bit impressed by clever and physicall= y ambidextrous guitarist doing impossible things on a guitar, hell I once looked up on YouTube how to do a shredders sweep... but musically, these performances do tend to make me be a little sick in my mouth. I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a musician is doing it .. alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m hearing technique and "clever clogs-ness". Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups? If only one could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology to achieve the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device that could , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd timings, so you didn't have to... that would be wonderful! --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00c09f9729423ad17d048fbdf343 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wr= ote:
mark francombe wrote:

clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking IS= 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the = er... 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean?


The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the no= tes in right place is *success*,
and leave it at that.

My point entirely!
=A0As a musician I can=B4t help but be a= bit impressed by clever and physically ambidextrous guitarist doing imposs= ible things on a guitar, hell I once looked up on YouTube how to do a shred= ders sweep... but musically, these performances do tend to make me be a lit= tle sick in my mouth.

I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a m= usician is doing it ..=A0 alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m h= earing technique and "clever clogs-ness".
Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups?
If only o= ne could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology to achieve = the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device that coul= d , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd timings, so y= ou didn't have to... that would be wonderful!



--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--00c09f9729423ad17d048fbdf343-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 12:02:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C50D3BE95; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=uqX3HdtQlnehB1PmNP54/CjHIJk1MNMlN5qPEtZ2bSQ=; b=UOLULvBYPikf9PBtnDLNTyWTrsSHMFo44xR3gI2fkRZb6Hft7F1FgqnWO68THCT5DB uK4KkiCdviIn4NK9cMk8+lWnZjdQrrDc8Mr9eN4wvXPTz5lbukpD+rzxWXPbWc3zzkY8 qClYKn6xbqk6zJ6cNFwFRQC3ZqhCRp4QPQjqo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=OpkETs2XHQP9JEmG25iiahpjgxUvAGjgRVGg3TjIhw1PBoKGL8h6XZNyStdCQj6ARX Etd9s0CRwGLtsNbCNdeJSos7EwAKKkmjb3h442ECzc0jLn2N4e+UfsUAqFZKJNQbxcll q7yIVrU4IjVelUUsWVUYBDrf0aku09lQKcpEQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> <4C877256.5010100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:02:05 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367658303e3431048fbe48dd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:02:06 +0000 (UTC) --0016367658303e3431048fbe48dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/9/8 mark francombe > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler wrote= : > >> mark francombe wrote: >> >> clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking >>> IS 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the er..= . >>> 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean? >>> >>> >> The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the >> notes in right place is *success*, >> and leave it at that. >> > > My point entirely! > That could be true for every time signature you're using. You can play a 4/= 4 with the right notes on the right place and it could still sound non musical, isn't it ? Like it or not, music is math at some level, but achivi= ng a "musical" result for your composition involves working on an emotional leve= l > > > As a musician I can=B4t help but be a bit impressed by clever and > physically ambidextrous guitarist doing impossible things on a guitar, he= ll > I once looked up on YouTube how to do a shredders sweep... but musically, > these performances do tend to make me be a little sick in my mouth. > > I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a > musician is doing it .. alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m > hearing technique and "clever clogs-ness". > ...then, it's a matter of "how" your brain works....? > Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups? > If only one could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology = to > achieve the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device > that could , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd > timings, so you didn't have to... that would be wonderful! > not sure I've understand your point here, Mark, but I'm almost sure that technology will allow that in the future and I would try that for sure (I'd like a sort of "generative odd time signature software...lot of fun !). > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > --0016367658303e3431048fbe48dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2010/9/8 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler <akbutl= er@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
mark francombe wrote= :

clever to me, and Im= very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking IS 7 beats against 5 a= pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the er... 16ths.. well n= ot 16ths... but you know what I mean?


The trouble with odd times is that people tend to thin= k that getting the notes in right place is *success*,
and leave it at th= at.

My point entirely!
=A0
That could be true=A0for every time signature = you're using. You can play a 4/4 with the right notes on the right plac= e and it could still sound non musical, isn't it ? Like it or not, music is math at some level, but achiving=A0a "musical" result for your composit= ion involves working on=A0an emotional level
=A0
=A0
As a musician I can=B4t help but be = a bit impressed by clever and physically ambidextrous guitarist doing impos= sible things on a guitar, hell I once looked up on YouTube how to do a shre= dders sweep... but musically, these performances do tend to make me be a li= ttle sick in my mouth.

I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a m= usician is doing it ..=A0 alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m h= earing technique and "clever clogs-ness".
=A0
...then, it's a matter of "how" = your brain works....?
=A0
Are they pla= ying an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups?
If only one could che= at and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology to achieve the same sou= nd, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device that could , oh I dont k= now, record what you play and repeat it at odd timings, so you didn't h= ave to... that would be wonderful!
=A0
=A0=A0=A0not sure I've understand your poi= nt here, Mark, but=A0I'm almost sure tha= t technology will allow that in the future and I would try that for sure (I= 'd like=A0a sort of "generative odd time signature software...lot = of fun !).

--0016367658303e3431048fbe48dd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 12:27:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 816D23BE94; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:27:51 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100908122751.53640@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <856ced2b6eb6771447769d3fbc55c2c1.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> Subject: Re: OT: Thought some of you guitarist might like this To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19tifAvErNt5V6mQeSU5mWAnst8OhHBLw+zpzo+/k 2ufmHmaFRVlVgiCZL43aHZk7pnrKzOW5cTow== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: EMXNC7xza2AoXc0tzHUy/hU6OWhhakdH X-FuHaFi: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:27:56 +0000 (UTC) intimate and beautiful, thanks :) Buzap -- GMX DSL SOMMER-SPECIAL: Surf & Phone Flat 16.000 für nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 12:56:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 421C33BE95; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=amld7DBY1WaBdIHkeXRLu4/RqktDMBFEV0ZJQ1PAeUw=; b=SLkSbhhOYHXMjHLy5XR9k92nZSMYynbwlAlLAaN4aFHh+dMNVCs1WTphwfOzxG84g2 DHYaspGuXRuYWj1RD9jnl45GjtNYE/sGCqtOH8aK+No6yVquT76UnXDOTJJThCdhT7T7 MMEE4WYA/oevRIXwrCBq9lk3iIZ95pDNMLeqY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=n1dAQTU+QPu4VjnuNYTHmQB31a8VtNLwWYKPrrouS++amC0cf8mBvxuhqH5DReOZrD QWqQQ0DA2cxR2w4Lb2V6+eM5mld4/ImqvC6OCqyVpKEksXaFc+bU0DHT+crjLLvEB+OS nkus/owzx7uVXlyaw48oyYMhy5gO94z+6mlvI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> <4C877256.5010100@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:56:15 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a2g2YdefIvoweYJXH5LfrsEyeVY Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f9daf37281a28048fbf0b26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:56:36 +0000 (UTC) --00c09f9daf37281a28048fbf0b26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups? >> If only one could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology >> to achieve the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a >> device that could , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at >> odd timings, so you didn't have to... that would be wonderful! >> > > not sure I've understand your point here, Mark, but I'm almost sure > that technology will allow that in the future and I would try that for sure > (I'd like a sort of "generative odd time signature software...lot of fun !). > Ahh OK, sorry maybe was being a bit obscure... I was of course referring to loopers.. the thread has previously been filled with lots of examples of how to do it with a looper... Interesting that you responded Fabio, I often like to watch open mouthed at your clicking percussion video... theres very little emotion there however Im just transfixed by the skill you have there, and not a little jealous I am sure. Its this dichotomy I struggle with... Musicians need to be skillful... but NOT THAT SKILLFUL, or else it becomes a freak show. By the way I dissagree with your comment.. >but achieving a "musical" result for your composition involves working on an emotional level just to point out that where (above) I said "there very little emotion here" .. is NOT an insult! I love many types of music that has very little emotion, and my wife HATES music with emotion, and only listens to the most minimal electronic music. -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00c09f9daf37281a28048fbf0b26 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Are they = playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups?
If only one could = cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology to achieve the same = sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device that could , oh I = dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd timings, so you didn&#= 39;t have to... that would be wonderful!
=A0
=A0=A0=A0not sure I've understand yo= ur point here, Mark, but=A0I'm almost su= re that technology will allow that in the future and I would try that for s= ure (I'd like=A0a sort of "generative odd time signature software.= ..lot of fun !).


Ahh OK, sorry maybe was being = a bit obscure... I was of course referring to loopers.. the thread has prev= iously been filled with lots of examples of how to do it with a looper... <= br>
Interesting that you responded Fabio, I often like to watch open mouthe= d at your clicking percussion video... theres very little emotion there how= ever Im just transfixed by the skill you have there, and not a little jealo= us I am sure. Its this dichotomy I struggle with... Musicians need to be sk= illful... but NOT THAT SKILLFUL, or else it becomes a freak show.

By the way I dissagree with your comment..

>but achieving a "musical" = result for your composition involves working on=A0an emotional level
=A0just to point out that where (above) I said "there very little emot= ion here" .. is NOT an insult! I love many types of music that has ver= y little emotion, and my wife HATES music with emotion, and only listens to= the most minimal electronic music.


--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe<= br> http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--00c09f9daf37281a28048fbf0b26-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 13:27:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0481E3BE97; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=z+xpCiTkoMZgzMSjmVcxs+T7T1zW/aDglDEVHRXVmlk=; b=wYvJ9addDnLeB6A37imPAUUzmTSxobPn/kiXz2WMIKvXh0/pVPEWPHPECTAj5F5om+ 4Bvvv/1Jp/7UgZaXHBYYe+7pmXzB0K0BI2ulDkhvUcL7AkRqjrFqBk11dkcTC3CAy/c7 C/EXr6BZdRKLzbbaPSwJq3K76+wSo6fY+ahf0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=VvQ/BT5crGOdcye6tT3KUcDycJsCQXu+TlyBmVvdrVUPY9SadRm+8NFwNsTBEPkb9+ qlIqsiX44aPyBhQWPQo+PDumjrQYc9bz2kfMX1gsZrUJ8WT99IrzLRmUcr+iGfPPn0Zf Luz7CwXLNxXCVByOdiy4I3MWABeHlnRR43q0c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> <4C877256.5010100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:27:27 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e887f4987ab6c048fbf799c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:27:30 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e887f4987ab6c048fbf799c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i personally never been interested in mechanical plain odd time signatures for the sake of playing "odd" im more interested in the hidden subtle "blended" ones this is why i love them within song context,because they still have to be appealing;-) ok so lets name some of the most memorable tunes or hits that have odd time signatures! (an odd time hit is a good sign because it means that the average western 4/4 listener probably isnt even aware of the time signature and still dance= s drunk to a normal 4/4:-) ill start with one of my old time favorite: "Solsbury Hill" - Peter Gabriel, The song uses a 7/4 time signature in most of the song but the last two measures of each chorus are in 4/4 "Black Dog" -Led Zeppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of 4/4 and on= e of 5/4 ,then i think in the second part it goes into 10 ive never been completly sure what the hell is going on here (please refer to Rick for thi= s one) i still cant understand how this one even got any radio play (warning: dont try to dance this one with a girl) "Thela Hun Ginjeet" - king crimson,i rember hearing this one often in the radio,most instruments on 4/4 but the riff is in 7/8 feel free to add! cheers Luis On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mark francombe wrot= e: > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler wrote= : > >> mark francombe wrote: >> >> clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy strokin= g >>> IS 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the er..= . >>> 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean? >>> >>> >> The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the >> notes in right place is *success*, >> and leave it at that. >> > > My point entirely! > > As a musician I can=B4t help but be a bit impressed by clever and physica= lly > ambidextrous guitarist doing impossible things on a guitar, hell I once > looked up on YouTube how to do a shredders sweep... but musically, these > performances do tend to make me be a little sick in my mouth. > > I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a > musician is doing it .. alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m > hearing technique and "clever clogs-ness". > Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups? > If only one could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology = to > achieve the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device > that could , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd > timings, so you didn't have to... that would be wonderful! > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > --e0cb4e887f4987ab6c048fbf799c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i personally never been interested in mechanical plain odd time signatures = for the sake of playing "odd" im more interested in the hidden su= btle "blended" ones
this is why i love them within song contex= t,because they still have to be appealing;-)

ok so lets name some of the most memorable tunes or hits that have odd = time signatures!
(an odd time hit is a good sign because it means that t= he average western 4/4 listener probably isnt even aware of the time signat= ure and still dances drunk to a normal 4/4:-)

ill start with one of my old time favorite:

"Solsbury Hill&= quot; - Peter Gabriel, The song uses a 7/4 time signature in most of the so= ng but the last two measures of each chorus are in 4/4

"Black D= og" -Led Zeppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of 4/4 and one o= f 5/4 ,then i think in the second part it goes into 10 ive never been compl= etly sure what the hell is going on here (please refer to Rick for this one= )
i still cant understand how this one even got any radio play (warning: dont= try to dance this one with a girl)

"Thela Hun Ginjeet" - = king crimson,i rember hearing this one often in the radio,most instruments = on 4/4 but the riff is in 7/8

feel free to add!
cheers
Luis








=



On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, = mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk= > wrote:
mark francombe wrote:

clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking IS= 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the = er... 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean?


The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the no= tes in right place is *success*,
and leave it at that.

My point entirely!
= =A0
As a musician I can=B4t help bu= t be a bit impressed by clever and physically ambidextrous guitarist doing = impossible things on a guitar, hell I once looked up on YouTube how to do a= shredders sweep... but musically, these performances do tend to make me be= a little sick in my mouth.

I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a m= usician is doing it ..=A0 alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m h= earing technique and "clever clogs-ness".
Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups?
If only o= ne could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology to achieve = the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device that coul= d , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd timings, so y= ou didn't have to... that would be wonderful!



--e0cb4e887f4987ab6c048fbf799c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 13:36:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80A3A3BE9E; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oiZKEPRfvsBBPthwV3UZb5yh/H8JQ0TyRzKSiBuZDRY=; b=ihJXxS1fXKGUiZn8L0Q/Njc0/Xjc4ru377T2KrMSzUcN3++VAxnRKEd+Ns8rcerSO1 L6UurBGB0le/YLb8DCxYXvKQ8FPZI0YZq78RURRswyLHlflws7XDC0tkyIUqsyj5+hGH 3ZwMsvtWFDbYJzbjSm3++4TaMG9QHFF4BoByU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UgAMn6JvFTpx4SaWX/ky8B/U1xGznP/mYskscNn7Lxr0fBYT04P3AgF3Z/qksPR2v0 SlEMEyQt1i82PPKCXrjrLpQCk4czDNNEelgDDyrKEGz8PuecNDqD3V95MPuvzMTf6kkx 9FsgdgivWymjIvXe4HiRbgkFp2PUulcfFhvuw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> <4C877256.5010100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:36:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00221532cf44b1be11048fbf9ac7 Resent-Message-ID: <6ytRzC.A.DAH.vF5hMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:36:47 +0000 (UTC) --00221532cf44b1be11048fbf9ac7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2010/9/8 mark francombe > > Interesting that you responded Fabio, I often like to watch open >>> mouthed at your clicking percussion video... theres very little emotion >>> there however Im just transfixed by the skill you have there, and not a >>> little jealous I am sure. Its this dichotomy I struggle with... Musicians >>> need to be skillful... but NOT THAT SKILLFUL, or else it becomes a freak >>> show. >>> >> Here again, Mark, and happy to connect with you ! I'd like to chime in here more often, but I dont' write often 'cos my english is unfortunately not so good. ..Then you find "very little emotion" in that video ? I don't, really ! It's just ME emotionated while doing that (look at 1,21" of that video...where I lost myself ...) By the way I dissagree with your comment.. >but achieving a "musical" result for your composition involves working on an emotional level just to point out that where (above) I said "there very little emotion here" .. is NOT an insult! I Yes, it isn't ! love many types of music that has very little emotion, and my wife HATES music with emotion, and only listens to the most minimal electronic music. Mee too like minimal electronic music. I think it's just a linguistic matter. It depends by what each of us intend for "music with emotion". Maybe it's clear to say: music that "touches" you on some level ? ...see you in Santa Cruz...I'll show you a 4:13.... ;-) Fabio www.eterogeneo.com > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > --00221532cf44b1be11048fbf9ac7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/9/8 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>

Interesting that you responded Fabio, I often like to watch open mouth= ed at your clicking percussion video... theres very little emotion there ho= wever Im just transfixed by the skill you have there, and not a little jeal= ous I am sure. Its this dichotomy I struggle with... Musicians need to be s= killful... but NOT THAT SKILLFUL, or else it becomes a freak show.
Here again, Mark, and happy to connect with yo= u ! I'd like to chime in here more often, but I=A0dont' write often 'cos my english is unfortunately not so= good.
=A0
=A0..Then you find "very little emotion&q= uot; in that video ? I don't, really=A0!=
It's just=A0ME emotionated while doing tha= t=A0(look at 1,21" of that video...where I lost myself ...)
=
By the way I dissagree with your comment..

>but achieving a "musical" = result for your composition involves working on=A0an emotional level
=A0just to point out that where (above) I sa= id "there very little emotion here" .. is NOT an insult! I= =A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Yes, it isn't !
=A0
love many types of music that has very little = emotion, and my wife HATES music with emotion, and only listens to the most= minimal electronic music.
=A0
Mee too like minimal e= lectronic music.
I think it's just = a linguistic matter.=A0 It depends by what each of us intend for "musi= c with emotion". Maybe it's clear to say: music that "touches= " you on some level=A0?
=A0
...see you in Santa Cruz...I'll show=A0you= a=A04:13.... ;-)=A0
=A0
Fabio


=A0

--00221532cf44b1be11048fbf9ac7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 13:51:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72C7A3BE95; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=GW7RA29p5CPIA3mWu6HcYavO4CL4M6YFpC9xx3YoT1c=; b=WqU0raQOokAitcxF3xb8LItU4Ae9L0CrSsInJcoYoMoYQ9EU/1gKWOoYgnOJvauNx8 FwNv9us4SrzbUhBxNwo50gOZYBr3PuqPyShUsrTOhbmPyBnrAW2m43JU0nxVPWdv2MJQ Fj/hjx37jbfBR4URk0LqncHbbLPFv1EsKVcbI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=OI4P+wOB4R5DWOIlxlDL75VM6jViJcpM9GQPd1IoRCk6jLM8urpJTh/ggQA7LowVA2 fTs11uCp5amVjOLFIydZ0lEBO/sfhrZwpqnXTUcOosr4uRjIDrcDaD0eRzbjMqyVycI5 P1ryHbi5K0IfU8ZqVCb2N8BLDjQEXREy/klt0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> <4C877256.5010100@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:50:48 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -qttfXxv3IIpDieISkgfdMc7FJE Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016361e83763cc68f048fbfce5a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:51:09 +0000 (UTC) --0016361e83763cc68f048fbfce5a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too, love it when a song is played so effortlessly and smoothly that one doesnt even notice the "odd" time sig... a good example is a bit of a boring song. Golden Brown by the Stranglers ha= s a bit that is 3 bars of 3/4 followed by one bar of.. (???) maybe 5/4 Not particularly famous, but a great band nevertheless was "The Cardiacs" who I was lucky enough to make some (very cheap VHS ) videos for in the 80=B4s... heres one... is it 5:4 ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dt_jhBoM0_As Anyway.. twas difficult to pogo to!!! Mark On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Louie Angulo w= rote: > i personally never been interested in mechanical plain odd time signature= s > for the sake of playing "odd" im more interested in the hidden subtle > "blended" ones > this is why i love them within song context,because they still have to be > appealing;-) > > ok so lets name some of the most memorable tunes or hits that have odd ti= me > signatures! > (an odd time hit is a good sign because it means that the average western > 4/4 listener probably isnt even aware of the time signature and still dan= ces > drunk to a normal 4/4:-) > > ill start with one of my old time favorite: > > "Solsbury Hill" - Peter Gabriel, The song uses a 7/4 time signature in mo= st > of the song but the last two measures of each chorus are in 4/4 > > "Black Dog" -Led Zeppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of 4/4 and > one of 5/4 ,then i think in the second part it goes into 10 ive never bee= n > completly sure what the hell is going on here (please refer to Rick for t= his > one) > i still cant understand how this one even got any radio play (warning: do= nt > try to dance this one with a girl) > > "Thela Hun Ginjeet" - king crimson,i rember hearing this one often in the > radio,most instruments on 4/4 but the riff is in 7/8 > > feel free to add! > cheers > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > >> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler wrot= e: >> >>> mark francombe wrote: >>> >>> clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroki= ng >>>> IS 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the er.= .. >>>> 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean? >>>> >>>> >>> The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting th= e >>> notes in right place is *success*, >>> and leave it at that. >>> >> >> My point entirely! >> >> As a musician I can=B4t help but be a bit impressed by clever and physic= ally >> ambidextrous guitarist doing impossible things on a guitar, hell I once >> looked up on YouTube how to do a shredders sweep... but musically, these >> performances do tend to make me be a little sick in my mouth. >> >> I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a >> musician is doing it .. alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m >> hearing technique and "clever clogs-ness". >> Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups? >> If only one could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology >> to achieve the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a de= vice >> that could , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd >> timings, so you didn't have to... that would be wonderful! >> >> >> >> -- >> mark francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> > > --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016361e83763cc68f048fbfce5a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too, love it when a song is played so effortlessly and smoothly that one = doesnt even notice the "odd" time sig...
a good example is a b= it of a boring song. Golden Brown by the Stranglers has a bit that is 3 bar= s of 3/4 followed by one bar of.. (???) maybe 5/4

Not particularly famous, but a great band nevertheless was "The Ca= rdiacs" who I was lucky enough to make some (very cheap VHS ) videos f= or in the 80=B4s... heres one... is it 5:4 ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dt_jhBoM= 0_As

Anyway.. twas difficult to pogo to!!!

Mark





On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Louie Angu= lo <lou= ie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
i personally neve= r been interested in mechanical plain odd time signatures for the sake of p= laying "odd" im more interested in the hidden subtle "blende= d" ones
this is why i love them within song context,because they still have to be a= ppealing;-)

ok so lets name some of the most memorable tunes or hits that have odd = time signatures!
(an odd time hit is a good sign because it means that t= he average western 4/4 listener probably isnt even aware of the time signat= ure and still dances drunk to a normal 4/4:-)

ill start with one of my old time favorite:

"Solsbury Hill&= quot; - Peter Gabriel, The song uses a 7/4 time signature in most of the so= ng but the last two measures of each chorus are in 4/4

"Black D= og" -Led Zeppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of 4/4 and one o= f 5/4 ,then i think in the second part it goes into 10 ive never been compl= etly sure what the hell is going on here (please refer to Rick for this one= )
i still cant understand how this one even got any radio play (warning: dont= try to dance this one with a girl)

"Thela Hun Ginjeet" - = king crimson,i rember hearing this one often in the radio,most instruments = on 4/4 but the riff is in 7/8

feel free to add!
cheers
Luis












On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.= com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep = 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
mark francombe wrote:

clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking IS= 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the = er... 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean?


The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the no= tes in right place is *success*,
and leave it at that.

My point entirely!
= =A0
As a musician I can=B4t help bu= t be a bit impressed by clever and physically ambidextrous guitarist doing = impossible things on a guitar, hell I once looked up on YouTube how to do a= shredders sweep... but musically, these performances do tend to make me be= a little sick in my mouth.

I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a m= usician is doing it ..=A0 alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m h= earing technique and "clever clogs-ness".
Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups?
If only o= ne could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology to achieve = the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device that coul= d , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd timings, so y= ou didn't have to... that would be wonderful!






--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--0016361e83763cc68f048fbfce5a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 13:54:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2043BE93; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=jTtjkX7qC4hcgDZfVIl1dIHTPrAqdToWYCU9uxZQkos=; b=ewfm3KeIxcrIQ6E0CDQllo0v3YiH01bKsBhxbxBDP1n9EIB1PCwgWyi4Wa2FwKJHB6 nM/YL73UePTmA0pJlKRWCn+RZxY5tIkNCs8gUMKn9EshLH8/kvFKciuofeMSRpTWQ8rc Q69iIsXhSMQV1Ew8dACq0UepL92KsDWLTCm5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=dv+5aNEnoPXhTfG3KabfzqBgqpCpP1v3V8mpE40gh4tLoY84A24xuaqJ7KZhyitvqv Wzprez2OxIRTadC4MjAqIrK8VCdH1yT7AmyTOuwQrxsnJDGQzAeVKpDTWxDO48+7DyEB CccAbPqPwLqo+8jvTPBWprK3vqQDdxZLr6jm0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> <4C877256.5010100@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:53:39 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: jUcE2ksae13OzSZBwuxohEhKsCQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f93de657c2f40048fbfd858 Resent-Message-ID: <9jLg1B.A.SdH.4V5hMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:54:01 +0000 (UTC) --00c09f93de657c2f40048fbfd858 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Fabio_A wrote: ...see you in Santa Cruz... REALLY looking forward to finally meeting you... I'll show you a 4:13.... ;-) I wont.. except maybe by accident!! :-) -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00c09f93de657c2f40048fbfd858 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com> wrote:

...see you in Santa Cruz...
=A0
REALLY looking forward to finally meeting you...

I'll show=A0you a=A04:13.... ;-)=A0

I wont.. except maybe by ac= cident!!

:-)



--
mark f= rancombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfra= ncombe
http://vimeo.com/user8250= 94
http://www.looop.no
--00c09f93de657c2f40048fbfd858-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 14:30:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2DE93BE94; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eaJyHasnWyWSaN56tYNuAQCllaARq4K8hzh65seVa44=; b=L7SnRLluFogNQh0F5F3osNYEtsKv478HKYfDCGaEmA0yhMd6iq22b5BucgwmipgeAA bEad3v9UR7f6Io4SZ4ndXkBnSFxzFgJgOZAz99CNOLOFT19TAKwW4fElezaz/ntYUQZA OA9qCqOx1t6+XoY3ciJ9WhfxFGtF1AIi7K0VY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=j8j3CmUvwSemcitW0JDcZkj1bEg69sx7rXeRPGk8TS0EFbM8DBDzU7KeGOkcJBVS77 RpfJQTGIH/EM9ribSbKvFs+1sOIMwILjGvGTj9Td6V8j7Rp4/E8u++Z9XXOWmCI9Eve8 2Br1gUaF/RYOAHsEqW4sSmQUiTM8TDYByigIc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> <4C877256.5010100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:30:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2de14c6c9b2048fc05ae6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:30:27 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd2de14c6c9b2048fc05ae6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice tune Mark! but sounds like 7/8 to me....? though not a song "gandinga, mondongo y sandunga" is an interesting afro cuban syncopation jam drifting from 6/8 to 4/4 while the bass keeps a syncopated ostinato http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D22Vo0uEumo0 cheers Luis On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:50 PM, mark francombe wrot= e: > I too, love it when a song is played so effortlessly and smoothly that on= e > doesnt even notice the "odd" time sig... > a good example is a bit of a boring song. Golden Brown by the Stranglers > has a bit that is 3 bars of 3/4 followed by one bar of.. (???) maybe 5/4 > > Not particularly famous, but a great band nevertheless was "The Cardiacs" > who I was lucky enough to make some (very cheap VHS ) videos for in the > 80=B4s... heres one... is it 5:4 ? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dt_jhBoM0_As > > Anyway.. twas difficult to pogo to!!! > > Mark > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > >> i personally never been interested in mechanical plain odd time signatur= es >> for the sake of playing "odd" im more interested in the hidden subtle >> "blended" ones >> this is why i love them within song context,because they still have to b= e >> appealing;-) >> >> ok so lets name some of the most memorable tunes or hits that have odd >> time signatures! >> (an odd time hit is a good sign because it means that the average wester= n >> 4/4 listener probably isnt even aware of the time signature and still da= nces >> drunk to a normal 4/4:-) >> >> ill start with one of my old time favorite: >> >> "Solsbury Hill" - Peter Gabriel, The song uses a 7/4 time signature in >> most of the song but the last two measures of each chorus are in 4/4 >> >> "Black Dog" -Led Zeppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of 4/4 and >> one of 5/4 ,then i think in the second part it goes into 10 ive never be= en >> completly sure what the hell is going on here (please refer to Rick for = this >> one) >> i still cant understand how this one even got any radio play (warning: >> dont try to dance this one with a girl) >> >> "Thela Hun Ginjeet" - king crimson,i rember hearing this one often in th= e >> radio,most instruments on 4/4 but the riff is in 7/8 >> >> feel free to add! >> cheers >> Luis >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mark francombe w= rote: >> >>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler wro= te: >>> >>>> mark francombe wrote: >>>> >>>> clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy >>>>> stroking IS 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remo= ve the >>>>> er... 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting t= he >>>> notes in right place is *success*, >>>> and leave it at that. >>>> >>> >>> My point entirely! >>> >>> As a musician I can=B4t help but be a bit impressed by clever and >>> physically ambidextrous guitarist doing impossible things on a guitar, = hell >>> I once looked up on YouTube how to do a shredders sweep... but musicall= y, >>> these performances do tend to make me be a little sick in my mouth. >>> >>> I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a >>> musician is doing it .. alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4= m >>> hearing technique and "clever clogs-ness". >>> Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups? >>> If only one could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technolog= y >>> to achieve the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a d= evice >>> that could , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd >>> timings, so you didn't have to... that would be wonderful! >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mark francombe >>> www.markfrancombe.com >>> www.ordoabkhao.com >>> twitter @markfrancombe >>> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>> http://www.looop.no >>> >> >> > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > --000e0cd2de14c6c9b2048fc05ae6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice tune Mark! but sounds like 7/8 to me....?

though not a song &qu= ot;gandinga, mondongo y sandunga" is an interesting afro cuban syncopa= tion jam drifting from 6/8 to 4/4 while the bass keeps a syncopated ostinat= o

http://www.you= tube.com/watch?v=3D22Vo0uEumo0

cheers
Luis




On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:50 PM, mark franco= mbe <mark@ma= rkfrancombe.com> wrote:
I too, love it wh= en a song is played so effortlessly and smoothly that one doesnt even notic= e the "odd" time sig...
a good example is a bit of a boring song. Golden Brown by the Stranglers ha= s a bit that is 3 bars of 3/4 followed by one bar of.. (???) maybe 5/4

Not particularly famous, but a great band nevertheless was "The Ca= rdiacs" who I was lucky enough to make some (very cheap VHS ) videos f= or in the 80=B4s... heres one... is it 5:4 ?

http://www.youtube.com= /watch?v=3Dt_jhBoM0_As

Anyway.. twas difficult to pogo to!!!

Ma= rk







On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
i personally neve= r been interested in mechanical plain odd time signatures for the sake of p= laying "odd" im more interested in the hidden subtle "blende= d" ones
this is why i love them within song context,because they still have to be a= ppealing;-)

ok so lets name some of the most memorable tunes or hits that have odd = time signatures!
(an odd time hit is a good sign because it means that t= he average western 4/4 listener probably isnt even aware of the time signat= ure and still dances drunk to a normal 4/4:-)

ill start with one of my old time favorite:

"Solsbury Hill&= quot; - Peter Gabriel, The song uses a 7/4 time signature in most of the so= ng but the last two measures of each chorus are in 4/4

"Black D= og" -Led Zeppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of 4/4 and one o= f 5/4 ,then i think in the second part it goes into 10 ive never been compl= etly sure what the hell is going on here (please refer to Rick for this one= )
i still cant understand how this one even got any radio play (warning: dont= try to dance this one with a girl)

"Thela Hun Ginjeet" - = king crimson,i rember hearing this one often in the radio,most instruments = on 4/4 but the riff is in 7/8

feel free to add!
cheers
Luis












On Wed, Sep= 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep = 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
mark francombe wrote:

clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking IS= 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the = er... 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean?


The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the no= tes in right place is *success*,
and leave it at that.

My point entirely!
= =A0
As a musician I can=B4t help bu= t be a bit impressed by clever and physically ambidextrous guitarist doing = impossible things on a guitar, hell I once looked up on YouTube how to do a= shredders sweep... but musically, these performances do tend to make me be= a little sick in my mouth.

I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a m= usician is doing it ..=A0 alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m h= earing technique and "clever clogs-ness".
Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups?
If only o= ne could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology to achieve = the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device that coul= d , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd timings, so y= ou didn't have to... that would be wonderful!






--
mark franco= mbe
www.markf= rancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/= user825094
http://= www.looop.no

--000e0cd2de14c6c9b2048fc05ae6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 15:14:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B88503BE97; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 490587056/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.194/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.194 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiECAI9Fh0xYbRfC/2dsb2JhbAAHk1qFJshshT0E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,335,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="490587056" Message-ID: <4C87A84C.8030008@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 16:14:20 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> <4C877256.5010100@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Louie Angulo wrote: > "Black Dog" -Led Zeppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of 4/4 and > one of 5/4 ,then i think in the second part it goes into 10 ive never the explanation is rather more simple John Bonham only ever played in 4/4, regardless of the others. Kashmire is a nice poly feel. the cardiacs song is in 7/8... ...and surely that's wacky Euro-prog. (great vid Mark) andy ps Strawberry Fields - the Beatles From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 15:20:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CDB73BE9E; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:20:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:20:24 +0000 (UTC) I wish you or one of our other loop digeratis would do a series of loop clinic youtube flicks, explaining in detail, from simple to sophisticated, how to do this with the looperlative and with the EDP (or whatever other boxes can do it), demonstrating what can be done with it. I've used these boxes for years now and still haven't gotten around finding out some of the tricks that are possible, so I could still learn something, and certainly videos like that would turn on more people to use them in more sophisticated ways. Its on my to do list along with a tutorial on using track speed toggling to create odd meters I have to get the list that bernard started making of the experiments we did with this whilst hammered on beer Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 15:24:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3F5F3BE99; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7019D8C5-EB60-4946-9623-59384BE316E9@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100907163114.632453BEA4@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-709591796 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: New youtube post Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:24:29 -0700 References: <20100907163114.632453BEA4@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:24:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-709591796 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ted Said: > Watched and listened . . . transfixed . . . Bill. > > Wonderful stuff. Thanks MR K, I still owe you for gas money from the drive to and from the memorial, i'll make it up to you someway somehow. Bill --Apple-Mail-1-709591796 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ted Said:

Watched and listened . . . transfixed . . . = Bill.

Wonderful = stuff.

  Thanks MR K, I = still owe you for gas money from the drive to and from the memorial, = i'll make it up to you someway somehow.
Bill
= --Apple-Mail-1-709591796-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 15:35:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7E2D3BE97; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4Ssmed9v3t7Om/7vlcGqZmIxlRIAgb/gL2aT28OOiKY=; b=UMe8sDF2G9FJRkblA7x4DK1f52RMd5zbn68S6JpknNdBtiP5FbBeY5ZvgBRbkWaLg1 D64CkDkD8Dkr8X95bSh7CoW+ParOYDEAfPjD5p/3MNbvtNG+KnpdqWsSgDnwwNDUHY2O Oej6m1K4axoDPyfPM8oC0WVdE8cMNsn/iZkio= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ku2G07WDMBkHiqLnErXoe79Rh+hPK3v8OPY/iZg9y5nfz5fQYJt41+8Iwq2Mhjwmb6 MB4+ziM7RYkgbgUFdIV5EE+soW14vfrDWAYo3XPCzyHUfUQW2CFZ50weW7UnUbsxk+m6 RN161y+FHHboIUG/YGmNADATzcS3DM9uyPNzw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C83F9D6.4030708@cruzio.com> <4C85EDF6.4060504@tiscali.co.uk> <4C877256.5010100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:35:00 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:35:07 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > that have odd time signatures! "Future Wide Open" by by Erdem Helvacio=C4=9Flu & Per Boysen. I guess for the average listener the 7/8 measure doesn't become obvious until a melody lead kicks in at 3:27 http://bit.ly/awskN1 Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 17:10:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20AD13BE97; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_1283965839163930" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:10:39 -0400 Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT X-Originating-Ip: 12.232.29.12 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100908171039.6BB7715F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:10:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_1283965839163930 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "Money" Pink Floyd7/4 main part of verse6/4 end of verse4/4 end of verse & guitar solo & outro=A0"21st Century Schizoid Man"Time Signatures change all over the place randomly without any sense of planning or such, mostly in the extended solo section(s) ----- Original Message ----- From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:27:27 +0200 i personally never been interested in mechanical plain odd time signatures for the sake of playing "odd" im more interested in the hidden subtle "blended" ones this is why i love them within song context,because they still have to be appealing;-) ok so lets name some of the most memorable tunes or hits that have odd time signatures! (an odd time hit is a good sign because it means that the average western 4/4 listener probably isnt even aware of the time signature and still dances drunk to a normal 4/4:-) ill start with one of my old time favorite: "Solsbury Hill" - Peter Gabriel, The song uses a 7/4 time signature in most of the song but the last two measures of each chorus are in 4/4 "Black Dog" -Led Zeppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of 4/4 and one of 5/4 ,then i think in the second part it goes into 10 ive never been completly sure what the hell is going on here (please refer to Rick for this one) i still cant understand how this one even got any radio play (warning: dont try to dance this one with a girl) "Thela Hun Ginjeet" - king crimson,i rember hearing this one often in the radio,most instruments on 4/4 but the riff is in 7/8 feel free to add! cheers Luis On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mark francombe wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler wrote: mark francombe wrote: clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking IS 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the er... 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean? The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the notes in right place is *success*, and leave it at that. My point entirely! =A0 As a musician I can=B4t help but be a bit impressed by clever and physically ambidextrous guitarist doing impossible things on a guitar, hell I once looked up on YouTube how to do a shredders sweep... but musically, these performances do tend to make me be a little sick in my mouth. I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a musician is doing it ..=A0 alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m hearing technique and "clever clogs-ness". Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups? If only one could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology to achieve the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device that could , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd timings, so you didn't have to... that would be wonderful! -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter[IMAGE] --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com --_----------=_1283965839163930 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

"Money" Pink Floyd
7/4 main part of verse
6/4 end of verse
4/4 end of verse & guitar solo & outro
 
"21st Century Schizoid Man"
Time Signatures change all over the place randomly without any sense o= f planning or such, mostly in the extended solo section(s)
----- Original Message -----
From: Louie Angulo
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:= Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:27:27 +0200
<= BR>i personally never been interested in mechanical plain odd time signatur= es for the sake of playing "odd" im more interested in the hidden subtle "b= lended" ones
this is why i love them within song context,because they st= ill have to be appealing;-)

ok so lets name some of the most memorab= le tunes or hits that have odd time signatures!
(an odd time hit is a go= od sign because it means that the average western 4/4 listener probably isn= t even aware of the time signature and still dances drunk to a normal 4/4:-= )

ill start with one of my old time favorite:

"Solsbury Hill"= - Peter Gabriel, The song uses a 7/4 time signature in most of the song bu= t the last two measures of each chorus are in 4/4

"Black Dog" -Led Z= eppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of 4/4 and one of 5/4 ,then i t= hink in the second part it goes into 10 ive never been completly sure what = the hell is going on here (please refer to Rick for this one)
i still ca= nt understand how this one even got any radio play (warning: dont try to da= nce this one with a girl)

"Thela Hun Ginjeet" - king crimson,i rembe= r hearing this one often in the radio,most instruments on 4/4 but the riff = is in 7/8

feel free to add!
cheers
Luis











On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancom= be.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tis= cali.co.uk> wrote:
mark francombe wrote:<= BR>
clever to me, and Im v= ery impressed with the head patting tummy stroking IS 7 beats against 5 a p= leasant "musical" sound, if you remove the er... 16ths.. well not 16ths... = but you know what I mean?


The trouble with odd time= s is that people tend to think that getting the notes in right place is *su= ccess*,
and leave it at that.

My point entirely!
 
= As a musician I can=B4t help but be a bit impressed by clever and physicall= y ambidextrous guitarist doing impossible things on a guitar, hell I once l= ooked up on YouTube how to do a shredders sweep... but musically, these per= formances do tend to make me be a little sick in my mouth.

I actuall= y often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a musician is do= ing it ..  alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m hearing tec= hnique and "clever clogs-ness".
Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 5= 0 push-ups?
If only one could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow us= e technology to achieve the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only ther= e was a device that could , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat= it at odd timings, so you didn't have to... that would be wonderful!






Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

myspace.com/folkstone57
http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter

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--_----------=_1283965839163930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 17:27:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D15D33BE97; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: Subject: RE: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:27:05 +0200 Message-ID: <19DEE55AC6794491879838AFA82851DC@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: ActPeOq1G572BsLhRLKIRlRUvX/yngAAdJ1g Resent-Message-ID: <0PoOXD.A.lKE.td8hMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:27:09 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qQVVabAX80 Jon Hassell's Powerspot is one of my favorite 9/8 pieces ... it has also a 3/4 feel to it, I love that -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 17:33:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3194A3BE98; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:33:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: Subject: RE: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:33:48 +0200 Message-ID: <428DC9F5B9A944589589866EF7C032A7@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: ActPeOq1G572BsLhRLKIRlRUvX/yngAAdJ1g Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:33:51 +0000 (UTC) and on Jon Hassell's Empire V, the rhythm gets completely strange ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFRIXg4b9vM this is my favorite Hassell piece -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 17:34:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BFA33BE91; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <19DEE55AC6794491879838AFA82851DC@mpeserver> References: <19DEE55AC6794491879838AFA82851DC@mpeserver> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-717407025 Message-Id: From: Revfever Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:34:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host5.webserveralpha.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ubergadget.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:34:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-717407025 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Tried link. Got this instead: 'This video contains content from UMG. It is no longer available in your country. ' ???? The irony here is that Jon Hassell is an American. :-) Cheers, Rev. Fever Portland,OR http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever On Sep 8, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qQVVabAX80 > > Jon Hassell's Powerspot is one of my favorite 9/8 pieces ... it has > also a > 3/4 feel to it, I love that > > -Michael > --Apple-Mail-2-717407025 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Tried link. Got this instead:

'This video = contains content from UMG. It is no longer available in your country. = '

????

The irony here is = that Jon Hassell is an American. = :-)

Cheers,
Rev. = Fever
Portland,OR

On Sep 8, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Michael = Peters wrote:


Jon Hassell's Powerspot is one = of my favorite 9/8 pieces ... it has also a
3/4 = feel to it, I love that

-Michael

=

= --Apple-Mail-2-717407025-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 17:59:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0F5A3BE98; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:57:17 -0500 Subject: RE: Abelton Live question Thread-Topic: Abelton Live question Thread-Index: ActPL1PCy5YZNcwYQwanlIU+sBj7JgATxAlA Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FE58B@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FE58Bbarqsailpoi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:59:15 +0000 (UTC) --_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FE58Bbarqsailpoi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [mark] > BUT > Can I move them now, to bunch them together or shrink them? There is a function called "Move Display Components" I usually bind to the Z key. When you hold this down the things in the UI will draw only their outlines so you can see if they overlap. While in this mode you can then click and hold the mouse over them and drag them around. The problem with the version that's out there now is that these boxes aren't labeled so it can be hard to know what they do, especially for the ones that are normally invisible like the Minor Mode component that shows things like the status of rate or pitch shift. Once you drag the components around then you can resize the window. To change the buttons at the top use the Configuration->Buttons window. > OH and one more point... is it normal that Mobius/Live crashes if you div= ide the > loop using instant divide, over and over till its just a buzz There could certainly be a bug here. There is a minimum size enforced when you record a new loop, it's very small, around 256 samples I think but it's also related to latency compensation. But Divide probably isn't checking this limit, it will keep dividing until the loop length goes to zero. Then like all computers that reach a logical conflict, Mobius will overheat and sparks and smoke will come pouring out of the keyboard. You could protect yourself with a script that checks the loop length before doing the divide. Something like this: !name Safe Divide if loopFrames > 1000 Divide endif > First record a long loop, say on 8th setting 16. Then run script that aut= o-divides by 16. > (this just chops the loop down to a small portion) > THEN run new script (the loop windowing script) Which will AT THE SAME TI= ME.... I think I see what you want. It isn't exactly loop windowing but the audib= le effect could be similar. Is this it? 1) record base loop 2) run magic script, 16th slice of base loop plays 3) run magic script, 15th slice of base loop plays 4) run magic script, 14th slice of base loop plays 5) ... That's possible but I'll have to think about it more. One of the differences between this and true loop windowing will be what happens when you get to slice 1. On the EDP it will keep going back in time through previous layers you may have created while building up the base loop. I suppose the magic script could do something similar, by undoing twice instead of once when you get to the first slice. What you can't do though is have a "window" that spans two layers. For example, say you have a loop 1 second long that was built up over 3 layers. Now you use Unrounded Mulitply to carve out the last .75 seconds of the base loop. On the EDP if you now press UNDO (or would it be two presses?) the loop you hear will be made up of .5 seconds from layer 2 and the first .25 seconds of layer 3. Mobius can't do that yet, but if you can live with having the slices be exact divisions of the base loop, then we might be able to do something similar. Jeff --_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FE58Bbarqsailpoi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

[mark]

> BUT

> Can I move them now, to bunch them together or shrink t= hem?

 

There is a function called "Move Display Components&quo= t; I usually bind to

the Z key.  When you hold this down the things in the U= I will draw

only their outlines so you can see if they overlap.  Wh= ile in this

mode you can then click and hold the mouse over them and dra= g them

around.  The problem with the version that's out there = now is that

these boxes aren't labeled so it can be hard to know what th= ey do,

especially for the ones that are normally invisible like the=

Minor Mode component that shows things like the status of ra= te

or pitch shift.  Once you drag the components around th= en you can

resize the window.

 

To change the buttons at the top use the Configuration->Buttons window.

 

> OH and one more point... is it normal that Mobius/Live crashes if you divide the

> loop using instant divide, over and over till its just = a buzz

 

There could certainly be a bug here.  There is a minimu= m size enforced

when you record a new loop, it's very small, around 256 samp= les I

think but it's also related to latency compensation.  B= ut Divide

probably isn't checking this limit, it will keep dividing un= til the

loop length goes to zero.  Then like all computers that reach a logical

conflict,  Mobius will overheat and sparks and smoke wi= ll

come pouring out of the keyboard.

 

You could protect yourself with a script that checks the loo= p length

before doing the divide.  Something like this:

 

   !name Safe Divide

   if loopFrames > 1000

      Divide

   endif

 

> First record a long loop, say on 8th setting 16. Then r= un script that auto-divides by 16.

> (this just chops the loop down to a small portion)=

> THEN run new script (the loop windowing script) Which w= ill AT THE SAME TIME....

 

I think I see what you want.  It isn't exactly loop windowing but the audible

effect could be similar.  Is this it?=

 

  1) record base loop

  2) run magic script, 16th slice of base loop plays

  3) run magic script, 15th slice of base loop plays

  4) run magic script, 14th slice of base loop plays

  5) ...

 

That's possible but I'll have to think about it more.  = One of the

differences between this and true loop windowing will be wha= t happens

when you get to slice 1.  On the EDP it will keep going back in time

through previous layers you may have created while building = up the

base loop.  I suppose the magic script could do somethi= ng similar, by

undoing twice instead of once when you get to the first slice. 

 

What you can't do though is have a "window" that s= pans two layers.  For

example, say you have a loop 1 second long that was built up over 3 layers. 

Now you use Unrounded Mulitply to carve out the last .75 sec= onds of the

base loop.  On the EDP if you now press UNDO (or would = it be two presses?)

the loop you hear will be made up of .5 seconds from layer 2= and the first

.25 seconds of layer 3.  Mobius can't do that yet, but = if you can live

with having the slices be exact divisions of the base loop, = then we might

be able to do something similar.

 

Jeff

 

--_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FE58Bbarqsailpoi_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 18:50:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54A833BE91; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 18:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dean, Hal" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:49:57 -0400 Subject: RE: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Thread-Topic: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Thread-Index: ActPf5Cv6aTIZ+HETQWd0W9aofnfXAABmEGg Message-ID: <86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB42407526DC090@WCU-EX-EMP1-MB.PASSHE.LCL> References: <20100908171039.6BB7715F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> In-Reply-To: <20100908171039.6BB7715F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB42407526DC090WCUEXEMP1MBPA_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <9pVc7B.A.hGG.Zr9hMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 18:50:01 +0000 (UTC) --_004_86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB42407526DC090WCUEXEMP1MBPA_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB42407526DC090WCUEXEMP1MBPA_" --_000_86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB42407526DC090WCUEXEMP1MBPA_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Navajo" by Fred Frith, from Speechless. There are plenty of other Frith ex= amples of wacked-out meterliness, but this one has always seemed peculiarly= weird, but mesmerizing. Mike Giles plays "21st C..." in 3 for long stretches, albeit while madness = erupts around him. Of course, now that we've slid into prog territory the list can become endl= ess. For anyone who is a huge Henry Cow fan, the boxed set released last year (o= r was it 2008?) has a lot of interesting essays and interviews, including s= everal discussions of their practicing multiple ways to create additive rhy= thms. Hal Dean From: Mark Showalter [mailto:folkstone57@operamail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT "Money" Pink Floyd 7/4 main part of verse 6/4 end of verse 4/4 end of verse & guitar solo & outro "21st Century Schizoid Man" Time Signatures change all over the place randomly without any sense of pla= nning or such, mostly in the extended solo section(s) ----- Original Message ----- From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:27:27 +0200 i personally never been interested in mechanical plain odd time signatures = for the sake of playing "odd" im more interested in the hidden subtle "blen= ded" ones this is why i love them within song context,because they still have to be a= ppealing;-) ok so lets name some of the most memorable tunes or hits that have odd time= signatures! (an odd time hit is a good sign because it means that the average western 4= /4 listener probably isnt even aware of the time signature and still dances= drunk to a normal 4/4:-) ill start with one of my old time favorite: "Solsbury Hill" - Peter Gabriel, The song uses a 7/4 time signature in most= of the song but the last two measures of each chorus are in 4/4 "Black Dog" -Led Zeppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of 4/4 and on= e of 5/4 ,then i think in the second part it goes into 10 ive never been co= mpletly sure what the hell is going on here (please refer to Rick for this = one) i still cant understand how this one even got any radio play (warning: dont= try to dance this one with a girl) "Thela Hun Ginjeet" - king crimson,i rember hearing this one often in the r= adio,most instruments on 4/4 but the riff is in 7/8 feel free to add! cheers Luis On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mark francombe > wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler > wrote: mark francombe wrote: clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking IS= 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the er... 16th= s.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean? The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the no= tes in right place is *success*, and leave it at that. My point entirely! As a musician I can=B4t help but be a bit impressed by clever and physicall= y ambidextrous guitarist doing impossible things on a guitar, hell I once l= ooked up on YouTube how to do a shredders sweep... but musically, these per= formances do tend to make me be a little sick in my mouth. I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a music= ian is doing it .. alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m hearing= technique and "clever clogs-ness". Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups? If only one could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology to= achieve the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device = that could , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd timi= ngs, so you didn't have to... that would be wonderful! -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter [cid:~WRD000.jpg] -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com --_000_86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB42407526DC090WCUEXEMP1MBPA_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

“Navajo” by Fred Frith, from Speechless. There a= re plenty of other Frith examples of wacked-out meterliness, but this one has always seemed peculiarly weird, but mesmerizing.

 

Mike Giles plays “21st C…” in 3= for long stretches, albeit while madness erupts around him.

 

Of course, now that we’ve slid into prog territory the list can become endless.

 

For anyone who is a huge Henry Cow fan, the boxed set releas= ed last year (or was it 2008?) has a lot of interesting essays and interviews,= including several discussions of their practicing multiple ways to create additive rh= ythms.

 

Hal Dean

From: Mark Showalte= r [mailto:folkstone57@operamail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:11 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT

 


"Money" Pink Floyd

7/4 main part of verse

6/4 end of verse

4/4 end of verse & guitar solo & outro

 

"21st Century Schizoid Man"

Time Signatures change all over the place randomly wit= hout any sense of planning or such, mostly in the extended solo section(s)<= /o:p>

----- Original Message = -----
From: Louie Angulo
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:27:27 +0200

i personally never been interested in mechanical plain odd time signatures = for the sake of playing "odd" im more interested in the hidden subtle "blended" ones
this is why i love them within song context,because they still have to be appealing;-)

ok so lets name some of the most memorable tunes or hits that have odd time signatures!
(an odd time hit is a good sign because it means that the average western 4= /4 listener probably isnt even aware of the time signature and still dances dr= unk to a normal 4/4:-)

ill start with one of my old time favorite:

"Solsbury Hill" - Peter Gabriel, The song uses a 7/4 time signatu= re in most of the song but the last two measures of each chorus are in 4/4

"Black Dog" -Led Zeppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of = 4/4 and one of 5/4 ,then i think in the second part it goes into 10 ive never b= een completly sure what the hell is going on here (please refer to Rick for thi= s one)
i still cant understand how this one even got any radio play (warning: dont= try to dance this one with a girl)

"Thela Hun Ginjeet" - king crimson,i rember hearing this one ofte= n in the radio,most instruments on 4/4 but the riff is in 7/8

feel free to add!
cheers
Luis











On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote= :

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.c= o.uk> wrote:

mark francombe wrote:

clever to me, and Im ve= ry impressed with the head patting tummy stroking IS 7 beats against 5 a pleas= ant "musical" sound, if you remove the er... 16ths.. well not 16ths..= . but you know what I mean?


The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the no= tes in right place is *success*,
and leave it at that.


My point entirely!
 
As a musician I can=B4t help but be a bit impre= ssed by clever and physically ambidextrous guitarist doing impossible things on a guitar, hell I once looked up on YouTube how to do a shredders sweep... but musically, these performances do tend to make me be a little sick in my mou= th.

I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a music= ian is doing it ..  alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m hearin= g technique and "clever clogs-ness".
Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups?
If only one could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology to achieve the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device t= hat could , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd timings, = so you didn't have to... that would be wonderful!

 



Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!
<=
o:p> 
myspace.com/folkstone57
htt=
p://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter
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Something like this: > > > > !name Safe Divide > > if loopFrames > 1000 > > Divide > > endif > thats the whole script? drop it in as a script then use it instead of Divide?? Awesome! (as one says in the us I believe) > > > > First record a long loop, say on 8th setting 16. Then run script that > auto-divides by 16. > > > (this just chops the loop down to a small portion) > > > THEN run new script (the loop windowing script) Which will AT THE SAME > TIME.... > > > > I think I see what you want. It isn't exactly loop windowing but the > audible > > effect could be similar. Is this it? > > > > 1) record base loop > > 2) run magic script, 16th slice of base loop plays > > 3) run magic script, 15th slice of base loop plays > > 4) run magic script, 14th slice of base loop plays > > 5) ... > Yes!! I realise that its not loop windowing, but it would sound like a loop window doing its funky thang.. Of course, us Loop Window Cleaners need to mult out a bit add a bit and mult in (divide again to add some new shit once in a while.. Im guessing thats where the deviation happens... and Jeff? I was using Multiply = New... so... no cake yet... Played Portal? Sorry cake is a reference to Portal... Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --001636426fc19295c9048fc495c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Jeff Lar= son <jeff= .larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:

Mobius will overheat and sparks and smoke will

come pouring out of the keyboard.


Ahh= .. thats exactly what happened so that must be it then!!!

=A0

You could protect yourself with a script that checks the loop length

before doing the divide.=A0 Something like this:

=A0

=A0=A0 !name Safe Divide

=A0=A0 if loopFrames > 1000

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Divide

=A0=A0 endif


thats the whole script? = drop it in as a script then use it instead of Divide?? Awesome! (as one say= s in the us I believe)

=A0

> First record a long loop, say on 8th setting 16. Then run script that auto-divides by 16.

> (this just chops the loop down to a small portion)

> THEN run new script (the loop windowing script) Which will AT THE SAME TIME....

=A0

I think I see what you want.=A0 It isn't exactly loop windowing but the audible

effect could be similar.=A0 Is this it?

=A0

=A0 1) record base loop

=A0 2) run magic script, 16th slice of base loop plays

=A0 3) run magic script, 15th slice of base loop plays

=A0 4) run magic script, 14th slice of base loop plays

=A0 5) ...


Yes!! I realise that its n= ot loop windowing, but it would sound like a loop window doing its funky th= ang.. Of course, us Loop Window Cleaners need to mult out a bit add a bit a= nd mult in (divide again to add some new shit once in a while.. Im guessing= thats where the deviation happens...

and Jeff? I was using Multiply =3D New... so... no cake yet... Played P= ortal? Sorry cake is a reference to Portal...

Mark
<= br>

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--001636426fc19295c9048fc495c7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 20:21:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0DFC3BE91; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:19:26 -0500 Subject: RE: Abelton Live question Thread-Topic: Abelton Live question Thread-Index: ActPjGoz2Ex3CmlKRb+r1IGgT+vgvwABp+0A Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FE68A@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FE58B@barq.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FE68Abarqsailpoi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:21:25 +0000 (UTC) --_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FE68Abarqsailpoi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [mark] > thats the whole script? drop it in as a script then > use it instead of Divide?? Awesome! (as one says in the us I believe) Yes, use the Configuration->Scripts window to register the script, then it should show up in the function lists just like built-in functions. I liked these definitions of awesome from urbandictionary.com: Something Americans use to describe everything. A 'sticking plaster' word used by Americans to cover over the huge gaps= in their vocabulary. > Yes!! I realise that its not loop windowing, but it would sound like a lo= op window > doing its funky thang.. Good, I'll see if I can throw a script together. > and Jeff? I was using Multiply =3D New... so... no cake yet... Okay, we should probably move this discussion over to the circularlabs foru= m or just send me private email describing what you don't like. AFAIK the only = major difference between what the EDP does and what MultiplyMode=3DNew does in Mo= bius is where it leaves the start point in the new loop. But I may have missed som= ething else. Jeff --_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FE68Abarqsailpoi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

[mark]

> thats the whole script? drop it in as a script then

> use it instead of Divide?? Awesome! (as one says in the= us I believe)

 

Yes, use the Configuration->Scripts window to register th= e script, then

it should show up in the function lists just like built-in functions.

 

I liked these definitions of awesome from urbandictionary.co= m:

 

    Something Americans use to describe every= thing.

 

    A 'sticking plaster' word used by America= ns to cover over the huge gaps in their vocabulary.

 

 

> Yes!! I realise that its not loop windowing, but it wou= ld sound like a loop window

> doing its funky thang..

 

Good, I'll see if I can throw a script together.<= /span>

 

> and Jeff? I was using Multiply =3D New... so... no cake yet...

 

Okay, we should probably move this discussion over to the circularlabs forum  or

just send me private email describing what you don't like.&n= bsp; AFAIK the only major

difference between what the EDP does and what MultiplyMode= =3DNew does in Mobius is

where it leaves the start point in the new loop.  But I= may have missed something

else.

 

Jeff

 

 

 

--_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FE68Abarqsailpoi_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 20:41:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D22843BE8E; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+h4frJlCus9zXP5wjSr6/feqo48aV06RJvCCdkjyrMI=; b=xlcAvWp9jSKcMcfUvZaWVyJQ4CqE2JDsX5A3mKj5qdgw+CaTsn4rFa0PSiqajLH6+h dAe7eOHX0q95nurvivrmjtduS8zfolqsWJZPKlzCYn2XJci94t/DCMz0461bJk3TZuzQ /gDViyjtbTBH3+OdS3yZ/wU4QKKankSw1q0u8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=dwUgsoB9b87+4YDpKmiCNm+A8buVExoRx4fCByPaY60Q9vBpMOyHmPyYhBBvrbG4sm qHflTGxqNTYz6pUND3/e05yosb8dY5zWTipzpNTuuHydosfAv0rycfQAL4+GA1q1hAqv 5OPM0z/uqXn55cK8R0kSxCyFKzpAp6gIIRWSU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB42407526DC090@WCU-EX-EMP1-MB.PASSHE.LCL> References: <20100908171039.6BB7715F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> <86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB42407526DC090@WCU-EX-EMP1-MB.PASSHE.LCL> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:41:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d34ded94e7fc048fc589da Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:41:36 +0000 (UTC) --001636d34ded94e7fc048fc589da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok gang,but as i said keep it radio play i know there is plenty of this stuff everywhere,but very few odd time signatures make it in the pop radio world, and thats the challenge of this money from pink floyd,yes how could i have forgotten that one another 7/8 million seller! On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Dean, Hal wrote: > =93Navajo=94 by Fred Frith, from Speechless. There are plenty of other F= rith > examples of wacked-out meterliness, but this one has always seemed > peculiarly weird, but mesmerizing. > > > > Mike Giles plays =9321st C=85=94 in 3 for long stretches, albeit while ma= dness > erupts around him. > > > > Of course, now that we=92ve slid into prog territory the list can become > endless. > > > > For anyone who is a huge Henry Cow fan, the boxed set released last year > (or was it 2008?) has a lot of interesting essays and interviews, includi= ng > several discussions of their practicing multiple ways to create additive > rhythms. > > > > *Hal Dean* > > *From:* Mark Showalter [mailto:folkstone57@operamail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:11 PM > > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT > > > > > "Money" Pink Floyd > > 7/4 main part of verse > > 6/4 end of verse > > 4/4 end of verse & guitar solo & outro > > > > "21st Century Schizoid Man" > > Time Signatures change all over the place randomly without any sense of > planning or such, mostly in the extended solo section(s) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Louie Angulo > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:27:27 +0200 > > i personally never been interested in mechanical plain odd time signature= s > for the sake of playing "odd" im more interested in the hidden subtle > "blended" ones > this is why i love them within song context,because they still have to be > appealing;-) > > ok so lets name some of the most memorable tunes or hits that have odd ti= me > signatures! > (an odd time hit is a good sign because it means that the average western > 4/4 listener probably isnt even aware of the time signature and still dan= ces > drunk to a normal 4/4:-) > > ill start with one of my old time favorite: > > "Solsbury Hill" - Peter Gabriel, The song uses a 7/4 time signature in mo= st > of the song but the last two measures of each chorus are in 4/4 > > "Black Dog" -Led Zeppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of 4/4 and > one of 5/4 ,then i think in the second part it goes into 10 ive never bee= n > completly sure what the hell is going on here (please refer to Rick for t= his > one) > i still cant understand how this one even got any radio play (warning: do= nt > try to dance this one with a girl) > > "Thela Hun Ginjeet" - king crimson,i rember hearing this one often in the > radio,most instruments on 4/4 but the riff is in 7/8 > > feel free to add! > cheers > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler > wrote: > > mark francombe wrote: > > clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking = IS > 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the er... > 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean? > > > The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the > notes in right place is *success*, > and leave it at that. > > > My point entirely! > > As a musician I can=B4t help but be a bit impressed by clever and physica= lly > ambidextrous guitarist doing impossible things on a guitar, hell I once > looked up on YouTube how to do a shredders sweep... but musically, these > performances do tend to make me be a little sick in my mouth. > > I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a > musician is doing it .. alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m > hearing technique and "clever clogs-ness". > Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups? > If only one could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology = to > achieve the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device > that could , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd > timings, so you didn't have to... that would be wonderful! > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > > > > > > Mark Showalter > > Minden Jot! > > > > myspace.com/folkstone57 > > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter > > [image: Image removed by sender.] > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > > > --001636d34ded94e7fc048fc589da Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok gang,but as i said keep it radio play i know there is plenty of this stu= ff everywhere,but very few odd time signatures make it in the pop radio wor= ld, and thats the challenge of this
money from pink floyd,yes=A0 how cou= ld i have forgotten that one another 7/8 million seller!

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Dean, Hal <HDean@wcupa.edu&= gt; wrote:

=93Navajo=94 by Fred Frith, from Speechless. There are plenty of other Frith examples of wacked-out meterliness, but this one has always seemed peculiarly weird, but mesmerizing.

=A0

Mike Giles plays =9321st C=85=94 in 3 for long stretches, albeit while madness erupts around him.

=A0

Of course, now that we=92ve slid into prog territory the list can become endless.

=A0

For anyone who is a huge Henry Cow fan, the boxed set released last year (or was it 2008?) has a lot of interesting essays and interviews,= including several discussions of their practicing multiple ways to create additive rh= ythms.

=A0

Hal = Dean

From:= Mark Showalter [mailto:folk= stone57@operamail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:11 PM


To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT

=A0


"Money" Pink Floyd

7/4 main part of verse

6/4 end of verse

4/4 end of verse & guitar solo & outro

=A0

"21st Century Schizoid Man"

Time Signatures change all over the place randomly w= ithout any sense of planning or such, mostly in the extended solo section(s)

----- Original Messag= e -----
From: Louie Angulo
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:27:27 +0200

i personally never been interested in mechanical plain odd time signatures = for the sake of playing "odd" im more interested in the hidden subtle "blended" ones
this is why i love them within song context,because they still have to be appealing;-)

ok so lets name some of the most memorable tunes or hits that have odd time signatures!
(an odd time hit is a good sign because it means that the average western 4= /4 listener probably isnt even aware of the time signature and still dances dr= unk to a normal 4/4:-)

ill start with one of my old time favorite:

"Solsbury Hill" - Peter Gabriel, The song uses a 7/4 time signatu= re in most of the song but the last two measures of each chorus are in 4/4

"Black Dog" -Led Zeppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of = 4/4 and one of 5/4 ,then i think in the second part it goes into 10 ive never b= een completly sure what the hell is going on here (please refer to Rick for thi= s one)
i still cant understand how this one even got any radio play (warning: dont= try to dance this one with a girl)

"Thela Hun Ginjeet" - king crimson,i rember hearing this one ofte= n in the radio,most instruments on 4/4 but the riff is in 7/8

feel free to add!
cheers
Luis











On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mark francombe <<= a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com" target=3D"_blank">mark@markfrancom= be.com> wrote:

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co= .uk> wrote:

mark francombe wrote:=

clever to me, and Im = very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking IS 7 beats against 5 a pleas= ant "musical" sound, if you remove the er... 16ths.. well not 16ths..= . but you know what I mean?


The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the no= tes in right place is *success*,
and leave it at that.


My point entirely!
=A0
As a musician I can=B4t help but be a bit imp= ressed by clever and physically ambidextrous guitarist doing impossible things on a guitar, hell I once looked up on YouTube how to do a shredders sweep... but musically, these performances do tend to make me be a little sick in my mou= th.

I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a music= ian is doing it ..=A0 alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I=B4m hearing technique and "clever clogs-ness".
Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups?
If only one could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology to achieve the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device t= hat could , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd timings, = so you didn't have to... that would be wonderful!

=A0



Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!
=A0
myspace.com/folkstone=
57
http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter
3D"Image


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--001636d34ded94e7fc048fc589da-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 20:58:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE49F3BE91; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z+ivggQ1ldh4M8cTK1QpN7JgvR4gwkbgPYVwFgyPAg4=; b=UmSiDXMuk8E/AauRXUeyA0ios+4W9/rsb1P2Gp/TPiwQzrDHp3mTV7IRlKM1az5CkQ KqfIDlSM24Xt0sZDzEClidVOtlDmiyyB+ngfwmWdShQrtesxjKjtOILww+1H6PLS96B4 U4QUKqetVPzaLaVaMVf5R4jXAbGmBzI8bm3jo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=fDslyYI0fEvTina7v3yPnwfNHeJp7UQMhzqS7A/G0c783tnX6iuEbQx1mG2iYWCNdk 6YDeYtOOszoNxK4aWssrJn+1KP3ZDRCiV3hzMeHqNR+Gx9tU4/cQ4eQgRSB09P0UBvzo tATC+w4oly0J+smTACNgLWoKOorqmKwRBXuCg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:58:32 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: OT: (pseudo) American expressions (Was: Abelton Live question) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:58:33 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jeff Larson wr= ote: > I liked these definitions of awesome from urbandictionary.com: > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Something Americans use to describe everything. > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A 'sticking plaster' word used by Americans to cover o= ver the huge gaps > in their vocabulary. Here "overseas" we use to have fun with this even stronger superlative "AWE-F*NG-SOME" ;-) The fun part is to come up with constructions that follow the generic rules but translate TO-F*NG-TALLY rubbish. Per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 21:01:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 242E43BE95; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:01:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=a4I9cDZs3NUG1CZVsYhCZoVu/j5XM3Bo4iGbbBLZw04=; b=LXBxjnoUGLD60dgHNSSzTzccZujEXg/C1dvreEx7LYlKW8DaU6nU7y49dexn0U1zlR bpl0U0zst3V9wX6Jr06FaKOTAqrEGPZ+8Lbsdqxjb9B2Pwb5BKPOt+VoHQAbYKsOkd84 Pnw37vUG30zkQXU8uJkEjq7lPmmUs+cD3nDB0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=smVKed17D/mfS2GSNGldDee5JI9G1zSCgVkFoCTr0Ssvl8NO88eUSmF+tr8mbPcwRZ AZ4BeHQNnGO1sdrQoCggcErlDW+aQaYrbf3sxy6lcOSV61rlIRyaYfHuaRJ9fhTvVSG5 LkzCw/ghiBNBSsffjG129CM/jDMX8jpxtOw6o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20100908171039.6BB7715F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> <86FEE8BCF5652949A08D1EB0545EB42407526DC090@WCU-EX-EMP1-MB.PASSHE.LCL> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 23:01:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e887cf9545cd0048fc5d275 Resent-Message-ID: <0PMgO.A.4MB.8m_hMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:01:48 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e887cf9545cd0048fc5d275 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > money from pink floyd,yes how could i have forgotten that one another 7/8 > million seller! Another one was Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells; the first theme. Let's see... it must be 15/16. And that record was a chart topper and top seller for months! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub --e0cb4e887cf9545cd0048fc5d275 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com>= wrote:
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen=C2=A0
www.boysen.se
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--e0cb4e887cf9545cd0048fc5d275-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 21:18:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 788663BE95; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=sfB5wHUGumXXAXoyQFAHTjKfpO0xrDjnnEMUhCOQ0Ig=; b=w2YAJ5mzOHqYb6srt3C9s6u6MKYvdXSP4taY95iQilxqnFb9UjBtPeNnweRvy1EBcM 8H7nBmc3gq4jiM6g5th7qJlLrpCDoJd1FqWdTcjLux3oCfdKZO9vQhXmH2zQ2vP5UJ1I kl6867J4rxqi8ZxIS/oZGXnlBM8z9+aEsNx4o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=U/DIT6aLtDBDt+twNZKJCmmkc0tTV5IXrOUdEd1S2xTd9TphfBmTsiMlKvQOo3G78V BOIIk0WOt6XWENcZ9jldqlpBx+px/+AvnlQGTI0G7okwDR6hli6P3Z3y1t0HpU+F0IJh Z0LswgObGi7ajf7GU1CjSWa5jZwFkADllfByc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 23:18:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Questions regarding Gordius LG2 MIDI pedalboard From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys, I have now spent the first day of the rest of my life with Gordius Little Giant 2. What a lovely pedalboard it is! But very slow to program. Took me ten hours to set it up for eight banks with ten patches in each. More than double the time it takes to program a Behringer FCB1010. There is a software application for Windows the speeds up programming a lot, but I estimated I would lose even more time if first installing windows on one of the computers. But I can't complain - you only set up the Gordius once. And the GLG2 offers a lot more than the Behringer, plus that it is CLEAN! A big problem I had with my three Behringer pedals is that they are leaking random MIDI CC# messages that you have not programmed it to send out. When using an application like Mainstage gets pretty nasty because some of Mainstage's mixer parameters are hard-wired to react to any incoming MIDI matching the Roland General MIDI protocol. Horrible! Glad that nightmare is over now. Problem: I can't get my External Switch to work with Gordious! I activated "Ext Switch 1" in Gordius and connected a foot switch - but it doesn't work. The foot switch I use is a typical simple analog momentary switch that comes with cheap synths as "sustain pedal". Any helpful expertise on this list that can spot a possible mistake here? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 21:53:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 483E83BE91; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1283982831; bh=rHVsubtCX4edZsCqH9g+1UfM/3nNsGOge6snciUD064=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TR8O8hxRW36aS1Z/8x7MhcV5u/5TUUSDOiRmeSy2l4pDw7D6fsg8dxpdhltF5pFCTZOZd7dXUZQ9R7q0LkRA8Z+O5Bczu6Pj9QO401hRYRuUYgrcqHyntJ7WjdgvmIKnHj3vfFYAHOo/HRAk6e5VeaIESb75ZTzjaYR3H0nG1JY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RISrcBRZbToED0YXWayN5NHEkZbE1IFOV8Fc2eDDCP5m1ESHUPn3kV4DtqCr/m7iQtXCHBtVDMImhBUcLwxTjG7QTMS4sw15kf3RlUFLGw07Ch1txpNSdl4RqApBBKjxyfdUDXLMyUj+Bc0k9sXHvnsWpoypzMa1RZQuJWzw2Ls=; Message-ID: <127573.60724.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 01QTAhMVM1nsqF9pfkljVVYjn9x_eM5LqjWjYg2.MJ__jub pCjx92I8I1Lps6mtStCRoiB73PDbBtiCGQlxdDpC79JWiAptkk39D6VXBKEm ihan3hibJlIcDYO8sKYIfLRsyFAirnzdIPsuQKKTfL_hdHA2VkApvRVY99Jz zazSFzQ6KHJjYBEHdZaAviN9OY8H0w_7jo3c1dkZmuozDWcR4rb_QmVfQKCK 3_c3V55PcNU04pINduAQC_9rf0sIBsD_FNJ3oREZddavCXaTex7TnQuEvKT0 H4EcHG3m.EgFh2OTUCX3rt4uwi8E4mDKPgJMvZfMjde_uAFqqNFhTMpM- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:53:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: iMac for Recording To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1276346328-1283982831=:60724" Resent-Message-ID: <6UeCK.A.OPC.wXAiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:53:52 +0000 (UTC) --0-1276346328-1283982831=:60724 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello: =A0 I was wondering about using an iMac (3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB memory *= 500GB hard drive) version for recording. The machine only has one drive. I= s it kosher to record on the iMac with only one drive. In the PC world, I'v= e always used two drives: one with the o/s, software, et al and another for= the actual recordings. Plus, I've always tried to stay with hard drives th= at have a rotational speed of 7200. =A0 Will I have issues with the iMac using just the one hard drive? I assume th= at I could always, at least, utilize an external USB or Firewire-connected = drive if necessary. And, am I hanging onto an outdated parameter as far as = the rotational speed is concerned? THX! =A0 Oh, I don't really need that many channels of audio. =A0 Regards, Paul=0A=0A=0A --0-1276346328-1283982831=:60724 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello:
 
I was wondering about using an iMac (3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB mem= ory * 500GB hard drive) version for recording. The machine only has one dri= ve. Is it kosher to record on the iMac with only one drive. In the PC world= , I've always used two drives: one with the o/s, software, et al and anothe= r for the actual recordings. Plus, I've always tried to stay with hard driv= es that have a rotational speed of 7200.
 
Will I have issues with the iMac using just the one hard drive? I assu= me that I could always, at least, utilize an external USB or Firewire-conne= cted drive if necessary. And, am I hanging onto an outdated parameter as fa= r as the rotational speed is concerned? THX!
 
Oh, I don't really need that many channels of audio.
 
Regards, Paul

=0A=0A --0-1276346328-1283982831=:60724-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 22:10:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 327583BE95; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C8809E1.70609@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:10:41 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:10:50 +0000 (UTC) and two of my very favorite odd time signature songs that my wife wrote and recorded SILVER STREET Christine Wedertz from 'Silver Street in 5/4 http://www.chriswhatever.net/Silver_Street.mp3 WHO WOULDN'T LEAVE Christine Wedertz from 'Silver Street' in 5/4 http://www.chriswhatever.net/Who_Wouldnt_Leave.mp3 And some famous and and some of my favorite odd time signatures in popular music: TAKE FIVE Dave Bruebeck (a 'waltz' in 5/4, swung) --- first million selling single in Jazz history from his ground breaking record 'Time Out' BLUE RONDA A LA TURK Dave Bruebeck (from the same record) --- A Blues, using a Rondo form (I believe) in Karsilama - the most famous Turkish 9/8 rhythm counted 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 THEM from MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 10/8 counted 3 3 2 2 MONEY Pink Floyd in 7/4 from 'Dark Side of the Moon' MORNING BELL Radio Head in 5/4 from "Kid A" ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE The Beatles with the verses in 7/4, the rest in 4/4 LIVING IN THE PAST Jethro Tull 7/4 RIVER MAN Nick Drake from 'Five Leaves Left' PLAYIN' IN THE BAND Grateful Dead 10/4 (or two bars of 4/4 and one of 2/4) GET CLOSER Linda Rondstadt (that was actually on top 40 radio in the day) 7/4 whole albums by the group TOOL who really favor 5/4 , 10/8, 5/8 Here's an interesting podcast on the subject: called "Meters and Time Signatures" from Pandora Internet Radio http://blog.pandora.com/archives/podcast/2007/09/meters_time_sig.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 22:20:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E73C03BE94; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:20:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JxdTICSVL8bPqv06LuTzsrHurTsh2QfnH4YU4hpjte0=; b=vY/vyjlG4YX6F96hUrr4P/GSWhtrKTnwGpfqTFjFc/CtqnegwfRvXKBt6yiPnN76kl qkEujpWXqEYdvT3Ei+eMoPPFJxTm9EjN4lq1xcugGlyLC1zdpGws5iTPQ7oWjlxzXVNw aGpGS6lT3AVdhk/aISpfyUMKACKc+VTbYicVg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xmlUUxqn4gfq5SbSuypMzQdOJbapI4A2UdQWbiBcHJXNYaAvELrfQlP28Ky1pqMbeE x0btrzx6xYaMClkrgun0jxU9sjDzMsc6MJ3t/k/LxjTItjFkK+MgALOJadZxjcLT++L3 ljax7t5Idrpc7b+8Dv69Rlx6hvjjRZTHVGnC0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <127573.60724.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <127573.60724.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:20:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iMac for Recording From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <3ZiOYC.A.ywC.2wAiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:20:38 +0000 (UTC) Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Paul Richards w= rote: > I was wondering about using an iMac (3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB memory= * 500GB hard drive) version for recording. The machine only has one drive.= Is it kosher to record on the iMac with only one drive. In the PC world, I= 've always used two drives: one with the o/s, software, et al and another f= or the actual recordings. Plus, I've always tried to stay with hard drives = that have a rotational speed of 7200. > Will I have issues with the iMac using just the one hard drive? I assume = that I could always, at least, utilize an external USB or Firewire-connecte= d drive if necessary. And, am I hanging onto an outdated parameter as far a= s the rotational speed is concerned? THX! Hi Paul, It depends on the number of channels you want to record simultaneously. Both my Macbook and iMac have 5400 rpm drives and run fine=A0when recording 4 tracks. FYI: I haven't tested 6 or 8 tracks yet on these machines but I would expect that 7200 rpm is recommend when recording 8-16 or more tracks of audio simultaneously. -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 22:23:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C98E3BE93; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:23:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C880CEB.9070505@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:23:39 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT References: <4C87A84C.8030008@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4C87A84C.8030008@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <99bIdD.A.m2C.xzAiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:23:46 +0000 (UTC) On 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote: > > John Bonham only ever played in 4/4, regardless of the others. errrrr, not entirely true, Andy: Check out 'The Crunge' from Houses of the Holy, a wonderful James Brown funk styled romp that continually changes time signature and Bonham's not playing 4/4 over the top as he usually did. I know, because I was in a Zepellin/Who cover band in 1972 and could NOT figure that out at the time (much to my chagrin), because I was such a bone head 4/4 rock/funk drummer in those days. It would be another 8 years before I taught myself how to read music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 22:25:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A7E23BE98; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: re: Questions regarding Gordius LG2 MIDI pedalboard Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:25:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:25:19 +0000 (UTC) First off, I believe you need to use the editor librarian to program the ext switch functions. I may be wrong. Andy? care to chime in? If Xavier's lurking he will tell you or shoot him an e-mail. Are you talking about all 4 inputs on the back including the expression pedals ,or just the two dedicated to switch functions? I had Xavier's help and I just downloaded his presets initially but since that time have done all my bank creation using the editor, way easier to deal with. What I did was give the external switches sequential PC numbers, so bank 1 would have the two extra switch ports assigned to midi PC's #11 and #12, bank 2 would be #23 and #24, etc, as I wanted to have all my banks have 12 accessable commands + 2 global expression pedals one for feedback and one for volume that don't change from bank to bank lastly, I had a night of living hell initially trying to navigate the machine from the front panel so do yourself a favor get the editor librarian going, plug in the usb port and git er done! Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 22:28:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FFAD3BE93; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <0CEF3739-E543-43C6-B387-BCEA8327CC36@kliklak.net> From: jayrope LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100908215352.9D0A53BEA0@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT: (pseudo) American expressions (Was: Abelton Live question) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:28:19 +0200 References: <20100908215352.9D0A53BEA0@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:28:22 +0000 (UTC) i like it "flawsome". - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Sep 8, 2010, at 11:53 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > OT: (pseudo) American expressions (Was: Abelton Live question) > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jeff Larson > wrote: >> I liked these definitions of awesome from urbandictionary.com: >> >> Something Americans use to describe everything. >> A 'sticking plaster' word used by Americans to cover over the >> huge gaps >> in their vocabulary. > > > Here "overseas" we use to have fun with this even stronger superlative > "AWE-F*NG-SOME" ;-) > The fun part is to come up with constructions that follow the generic > rules but translate TO-F*NG-TALLY rubbish. > > Per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 22:33:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 029183BE92; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C880F1D.7010408@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:33:01 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Well, this isn't technically counterpoint, but here is a really fun and fairly natural sounding 11/8 rhythm. essentially, you play a blues shuffle and cut it off at the end of the last beat. I learned this from the 1st or 2nd Mahavishnu Orchestra record: These are two records with wonderfully inventive odd time signatures on them (hugely influential in my musical development as was Yes earlier on in the same vein) 11/8 ||: X * X X * X X * X X X :|| 1 + a 2 + a 3 + a 4 a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 22:42:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 764EC3BEA2; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=T7jlciAyyPu0k9v+jV8W6PdNpsOulnm2PD31rN4PwYY=; b=HFwTXCPQtYTS3CRcqmxATM7AK9bdWA1FhfvnNJN6OG7WYqCP58I286LS0Ju3D0Ri2t 0Td6/Yj22H9+sPtkL/udM22jsjyE4RNN6IvVt3Lq0ZzxOgImKfEWbRFw3X92KgVD1jQp OwgJTY5EWM2FTppTZ7m1OT2Y9FqHYhtSUrK3U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lXckR2im0b5uDPvAYhgYuXzb2YSflgqVQtExvhHid1NL0pf2nY8qLOXFP2EyO1/kgM 0NHtw25MmSJPHG6GvOL/L4Ofa/uzI7glmU88Apbq4Nfh2VuoI4CCV0CXwMXkbcwyiCHU PI0YlpGGmN97qgtqedsKEZWases3lRJwEjTEI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7019D8C5-EB60-4946-9623-59384BE316E9@baymoon.com> References: <20100907163114.632453BEA4@arsenic.violacea.com> <7019D8C5-EB60-4946-9623-59384BE316E9@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:42:19 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New youtube post From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bill, Very nice, I enjoyed it very much. Looking forward to hear you play at the 3rd Antwerp Loopfest next year. The line-up is now complete, and I'm really happy with it. It will be difficult to beat the last edition of the festival with Steve Lawson, Luis Angulo, Dirk Serries, N, Signals under Tests (Ricky Graham) etc but we'll try. It feels like we should do more of these events, can't wait :) PS I wish you and all the other friends here on list a good time and a good performance at Y2K10! -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 22:45:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8A253BEB9; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C88120E.7050007@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:45:34 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Another one was Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells; the first theme. Let's > see... it must be 15/16. And that record was a chart topper and top > seller for months! Yeah, wow, how could I have forgotten that famous big seller! I count it as 30/8 divided 7/8 (2+3+3) + 7/8 (2+2+3) 7/8 (2+2+3) + 9/8 (2+2+3+2) It might sound like splitting hairs, but the time signature is generally written according to the phrasing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 22:51:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E508D3BED0; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C881373.50200@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:51:31 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: OT: (pseudo) American expressions (Was: Abelton Live question) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:51:37 +0000 (UTC) per wrote: Here "overseas" we use to have fun with this even stronger superlative "AWE-F*NG-SOME" ;-) The fun part is to come up with constructions that follow the generic rules but translate TO-F*NG-TALLY rubbish. Per ;-) LOL, it just suddenly occurred to me, do we really have to use an asterisk in the word f*ck? Are there people on this forum who would be offended if we added the little 'u'? I'm actually serious here. Would anyone find that offensive? If so, I apologize because I've used that word a few times in emails to everyone. If not, then, well, f*ck it!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 8 22:54:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1E1F3BEE0; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8; reply-type=response X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1009080174 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.0.10011,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-09-08_10:2010-09-08,2010-09-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <0ADB6990F6624025AC374EDA8143748A@NORBY11> From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4C88120E.7050007@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:54:07 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, it bothers me when somebody says a piece is in 45/8 or some huge number. t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT > Per Boysen wrote: >> Another one was Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells; the first theme. Let's >> see... it must be 15/16. And that record was a chart topper and top >> seller for months! > > Yeah, wow, how could I have forgotten that famous big seller! > > I count it as 30/8 > divided 7/8 (2+3+3) + 7/8 (2+2+3) 7/8 (2+2+3) + 9/8 (2+2+3+2) > > It might sound like splitting hairs, but the time signature is generally > written according to the phrasing > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 00:26:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF2D53BE91; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 01:26:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100909002633.7CE2815F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Hello, What part of Tubular Bell's are we talking about here? >=20 >=20 > Per Boysen wrote: > > Another one was Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells; the first theme.=20 > > Let's see... it must be 15/16. And that record was a chart topper=20 > > and top seller for months! >=20 > Yeah, wow, how could I have forgotten that famous big seller! >=20 > I count it as 30/8 > divided 7/8 (2+3+3) + 7/8 (2+2+3) 7/8 (2+2+3) + 9/8 (2+2+3+2) >=20 > It might sound like splitting hairs, but the time signature is generally > written according to the phrasing > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 05:13:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFF203BE8F; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 05:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lw1Z7ufEcjEpndPEp3qnCLUVMNhIuS78lhjvyJprhqg=; b=kKdXZy/miXDCEoCb4hS00bbtg2EidXHV3HV1JOv+UjW8EKl+6mixBh1mxl1mw2KRZb nWIV6QAjj6ASwgmp0uiyWqI2WXkpqnHe5mXoA0SDaSI/CWfrM+iwSvouUCXrYQrNADBN Mee0Q01bXJ+vrZ2ITPVm2i8B8mGGtpdMKl2qM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Kv4O8Z2uWYX+ryw/ahYSbPCjpVVogRea26aJjZY6UWPIHWRTXlsPOfSOoFtJuHglvd aaQ9clMqvV2TSdalZ2cVAdQTc75eF4lzATV4AXLVFgB7DRREfC9WDyvkBzByInjTjmEC t5j6+wJIKHo2uuMU0q8S1Gd8tAKfhDIKxdnpA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0ADB6990F6624025AC374EDA8143748A@NORBY11> References: <4C88120E.7050007@cruzio.com> <0ADB6990F6624025AC374EDA8143748A@NORBY11> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 07:13:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <4JP-MC.A.aND.0zGiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 05:13:24 +0000 (UTC) related story: once, attending to a composition workshop led by orlando jacinto garc=EDa (who studied with morton feldman) i asked him why he was using *really* odd meters like 29/4 and left intentionally in silence a bunch of bars for some parts ... i couldn't figure out how somebody could count that at first sight or why he was not using more efficiently the meter tool, but he told me that that was the only way he had found to make the performers count silent bars and don't get distracted :) 2010/9/9 Toby G : > Yeah, it bothers me when somebody says a piece is in 45/8 or some huge > number. > > t > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT > > >> =A0Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>> Another one was Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells; the first theme. Let's >>> see... it must be 15/16. And that record was a chart topper and top sel= ler >>> for months! >> >> Yeah, wow, how could I have forgotten that famous big seller! >> >> I count it as 30/8 >> divided =A0 7/8 (2+3+3) + 7/8 (2+2+3) 7/8 (2+2+3) + 9/8 (2+2+3+2) >> >> It might sound like splitting hairs, but the time signature is generally >> written according to the phrasing >> >> > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 05:39:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E1803BE95; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 05:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hOP652dVizVtEYLsAeZp8qWOKPn1jSwWYQrnomvOlVs=; b=jaM7lq31P40oumQtIBuAFBvxlvJCqnnhv3e1kcTBMUfOzWqTFCIQCc6+Rg5ere6qC9 KYuXeDeKu5h65QkLAyPxyz3Gs+pzMfqtnjm4s1zyn/29Fq1GCqmYTClX9lUmEPNsQIdz ncSx57AuTGGCghhX6CpsjAl7XZlCFdAOt6ih0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QbT+Tj7HP0+JOf9NT9hv2P/52J4BKetTAQsGgrwNhBuUHl7ArNr0c7eNF8drY1q2mF lRJC6t/XRMFwRwLQVmyorBYtnXAwk4Gc/tjP1wG5I1XMS4sqZt2hqV8m+dQ2TufqgEVV LeRStRy8FAcuJifaADmN0pm989bbo/QZYkSFg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 07:39:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Questions regarding Gordius LG2 MIDI pedalboard From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c92f7727a90f048fcd0fac Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 05:39:52 +0000 (UTC) --001636c92f7727a90f048fcd0fac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 auch that sounds scarry! Is the editor also for mac as well? i was really considering getting this baby but this really scares me, i want to be able to program a FC without any editors quickly! and Per i honeslty dont think you will just set it up once:-) (think ill just order another evil Behringer with the Uno chip bulit in and keep it stored at my house in the U.S. i just saw them for 150.00dlls.) Luis On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi guys, > > I have now spent the first day of the rest of my life with Gordius > Little Giant 2. What a lovely pedalboard it is! But very slow to > program. Took me ten hours to set it up for eight banks with ten > patches in each. More than double the time it takes to program a > Behringer FCB1010. There is a software application for Windows the > speeds up programming a lot, but I estimated I would lose even more > time if first installing windows on one of the computers. But I can't > complain - you only set up the Gordius once. And the GLG2 offers a lot > more than the Behringer, plus that it is CLEAN! A big problem I had > with my three Behringer pedals is that they are leaking random MIDI > CC# messages that you have not programmed it to send out. When using > an application like Mainstage gets pretty nasty because some of > Mainstage's mixer parameters are hard-wired to react to any incoming > MIDI matching the Roland General MIDI protocol. Horrible! Glad that > nightmare is over now. > > Problem: > I can't get my External Switch to work with Gordious! I activated "Ext > Switch 1" in Gordius and connected a foot switch - but it doesn't > work. The foot switch I use is a typical simple analog momentary > switch that comes with cheap synths as "sustain pedal". Any helpful > expertise on this list that can spot a possible mistake here? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > --001636c92f7727a90f048fcd0fac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable auch that sounds scarry!
Is the editor also for mac as well? i was real= ly considering getting this baby but this really scares me, i want to be ab= le to program a FC
without any editors quickly! and Per i honeslty dont= think you will just set it up once:-)
(think ill just order another evil Behringer with the Uno chip bulit in and= keep it stored at my house in the U.S. i just saw them for 150.00dlls.)Luis

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Pe= r Boysen <perbo= ysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys,

I have now spent the first day of the rest of my life with Gordius
Little Giant 2. What a lovely pedalboard it is! But very slow to
program. Took me ten hours to set it up for eight banks with ten
patches in each. More than double the time it takes to program a
Behringer FCB1010. There is a software application for Windows the
speeds up programming a lot, but I estimated I would lose even more
time if first installing windows on one of the computers. But I can't complain - you only set up the Gordius once. And the GLG2 offers a lot
more than the Behringer, plus that it is CLEAN! A big problem I had
with my three Behringer pedals is that they are leaking random MIDI
CC# messages that you have not programmed it to send out. When using
an application like Mainstage gets pretty nasty because some of
Mainstage's mixer parameters are hard-wired to react to any incoming MIDI matching the Roland General MIDI protocol. Horrible! Glad that
nightmare is over now.

Problem:
I can't get my External Switch to work with Gordious! I activated "= ;Ext
Switch 1" in Gordius and connected a foot switch - but it doesn't<= br> work. The foot switch I use is a typical simple analog momentary
switch that comes with cheap synths as "sustain pedal". Any helpf= ul
expertise on this list that can spot a possible mistake here?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub


--001636c92f7727a90f048fcd0fac-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 05:44:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D1773BE93; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 05:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tQSB9sJxiA0Zy+lRk0vfkw69vqvkux9K1qbg3LaN/PI=; b=F0KYwPNKoWDqeC0tG8+Nf+4ikgMPT22FyEFxOHGXrnaoO8zbtNBGSr36NIpe6l1kip 4aLQOvJucsxBE0w47+Tc7rz0KWRijN84fpU0zThHGwwJq5K/TfLySjwP+4ZxNT45mh/V PwN34vXFGOw/wDVIxwStEzW1lR/6PgsXWYWLw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=n5ybdZveGooLyAkXcKcIrouggd6qP89tXIxuOpXPIL48a0yNXYpBRyqPCHcC77jkMQ 6jjOSwEmsmQ7nBOsfLYQnUI4rUtoBf+K0ErG7Ns4foEmMmGJw0PGuZ7ZB2Ui6F7lasjd r2wAd+81miRktP3jjkySMP3mM8OSqHj4i3ElE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <127573.60724.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <127573.60724.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 07:44:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iMac for Recording From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c92f77595806048fcd2075 Resent-Message-ID: <-uw5xC.A.C5D.JRHiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 05:44:41 +0000 (UTC) --001636c92f77595806048fcd2075 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 this is the one i have Paul (mine is 7200) so far so good playing logic pro demos that have many tracks already recorded,though i have not tried it recording many tracks at once yet cheers Luis On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > Hello: > > I was wondering about using an iMac (3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB memory * > 500GB hard drive) version for recording. The machine only has one drive. Is > it kosher to record on the iMac with only one drive. In the PC world, I've > always used two drives: one with the o/s, software, et al and another for > the actual recordings. Plus, I've always tried to stay with hard drives that > have a rotational speed of 7200. > > Will I have issues with the iMac using just the one hard drive? I assume > that I could always, at least, utilize an external USB or Firewire-connected > drive if necessary. And, am I hanging onto an outdated parameter as far as > the rotational speed is concerned? THX! > > Oh, I don't really need that many channels of audio. > > Regards, Paul > > --001636c92f77595806048fcd2075 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this is the one i have Paul (mine is 7200) so far so good playing logic pro= demos that have many tracks already recorded,though i have not tried it re= cording many tracks at once yet
cheers
Luis

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>= ; wrote:
Hello:
=A0
I was wondering about using an iMac (3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB mem= ory * 500GB hard drive) version for recording. The machine only has one dri= ve. Is it kosher to record on the iMac with only one drive. In the PC world= , I've always used two drives: one with the o/s, software, et al and an= other for the actual recordings. Plus, I've always tried to stay with h= ard drives that have a rotational speed of 7200.
=A0
Will I have issues with the iMac using just the one hard drive? I assu= me that I could always, at least, utilize an external USB or Firewire-conne= cted drive if necessary. And, am I hanging onto an outdated parameter as fa= r as the rotational speed is concerned? THX!
=A0
Oh, I don't really need that many channels of audio.
=A0
Regards, Paul


--001636c92f77595806048fcd2075-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 05:45:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D4BA3BE97; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 05:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1009080235 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.0.10011,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-09-09_03:2010-09-09,2010-09-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <7641B178148944E98A3F894F8BB9D04F@NORBY11> From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4C88120E.7050007@cruzio.com> <0ADB6990F6624025AC374EDA8143748A@NORBY11> Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:44:59 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 05:45:18 +0000 (UTC) They may not get distracted but they will count beats/pulses incorrectly. t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul Bonell" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT related story: once, attending to a composition workshop led by orlando jacinto garcía (who studied with morton feldman) i asked him why he was using *really* odd meters like 29/4 and left intentionally in silence a bunch of bars for some parts ... i couldn't figure out how somebody could count that at first sight or why he was not using more efficiently the meter tool, but he told me that that was the only way he had found to make the performers count silent bars and don't get distracted :) 2010/9/9 Toby G : > Yeah, it bothers me when somebody says a piece is in 45/8 or some huge > number. > > t > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT > > >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>> Another one was Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells; the first theme. Let's >>> see... it must be 15/16. And that record was a chart topper and top >>> seller >>> for months! >> >> Yeah, wow, how could I have forgotten that famous big seller! >> >> I count it as 30/8 >> divided 7/8 (2+3+3) + 7/8 (2+2+3) 7/8 (2+2+3) + 9/8 (2+2+3+2) >> >> It might sound like splitting hairs, but the time signature is generally >> written according to the phrasing >> >> > > -- ================================ I bé, després estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de màquina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si sóc un Buda o no, òsties!, no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa així? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 05:47:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D89913BEA0; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 05:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SIqTso0stiTdh1k5sSDqXWQDsealAggSHxNyoJvRwh0=; b=eb40GfnPxTjHqcRn2SIo6yWUBJrXeEgTLdgAPfFf9PffXQvE8+WGHQfYYHUGWPr+80 tlTbYzRDP7XJGvHfNedG5UQPuU1GUK82I0OYYqRT44KBQxMY08/VHnXSJm5E0sM/jj6Y EWm0xkl1zCpo4WGeiOGuOiXDg8VbQEd2fkIIE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=eq8U08sumT7waTwYKwG8E3arUUb1I/V6GzpAgxh5cYJgwPaaStO49a7pOxn0IkAJbF Nuc7SWpcgrDgO7EkBhbK028/LFixnygTBIqucdrDVsRS7NDax767xQatmLC4ZUPUbt6O lajVgiLUDXvnxTS0BpgIdU4W1wmqtVITXhXg4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C881373.50200@cruzio.com> References: <4C881373.50200@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 07:47:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: (pseudo) American expressions (Was: Abelton Live question) From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e6ff6296011a3048fcd2ad9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 05:47:29 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e6ff6296011a3048fcd2ad9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 oh shit,sorry if i ever offended anyone but i never even used that asterik i just stayed organic and i was always too lazy to type it anyway;-) On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > per wrote: > > Here "overseas" we use to have fun with this even stronger superlative > "AWE-F*NG-SOME" ;-) > The fun part is to come up with constructions that follow the generic > rules but translate TO-F*NG-TALLY rubbish. > > Per ;-) > > > > LOL, it just suddenly occurred to me, > > do we really have to use an asterisk in the word f*ck? > Are there people on this forum who would be offended > if we added the little 'u'? > > I'm actually serious here. Would anyone find that offensive? > If so, I apologize because I've used that word a few times in > emails to everyone. If not, then, well, f*ck it!!!! > > > --e0cb4e6ff6296011a3048fcd2ad9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oh shit,sorry if i ever offended anyone but i never even used that asterik = i just stayed organic
and i was always too lazy to type it anyway;-)
=
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Rick Walker= <looppool@cruz= io.com> wrote:
=A0per wrote:

Here "overseas" we use to have fun with this even stronger superl= ative
"AWE-F*NG-SOME" =A0;-)
The fun part is to come up with constructions that follow the generic
rules but translate TO-F*NG-TALLY rubbish.

Per ;-)



LOL, =A0it just suddenly occurred to me,

do we really have to use an asterisk in the word f*ck?
Are there people on this forum who would be offended
if we added the little 'u'?

I'm actually serious here. =A0 Would anyone find that offensive?
If so, I apologize because I've used that word a few times in
emails to everyone. =A0 If not, =A0 then, =A0 well, =A0 =A0 f*ck it!!!!



--e0cb4e6ff6296011a3048fcd2ad9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 06:46:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FC593BE92; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 06:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VU/f4C8MEzMB63wlvhgQ4dzXK0WwaWjuP8cLaJ7UR/Y=; b=g0sDBw9JoBqad0g8MzLK+z4ZuVaBs+69p+4hyftUVJPa0xnEus1ongZj6XbdZ3Wi4h /edCocjAlvYq7lf4K1hjlidOEXHKq9Qohe5AfxOf2ncWUnw5hHiQ+/igIUjQJ6XaW/UN 8rQUJZnn2jFGsqf3ZHJJfrNlHf+SbyfgmgWQM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=NZJjx0REdyHc4EUglNjWI1OaMRLOkaatgQ3scpGagskw4O5XhkSIPKuFo0utR2VQA7 Es68/6Dp0qJUfeCmXm1Y3xdqEZIYTzFD/QTGWvtTzmen+0R37gAET/c0MCQjXEJscX6W ccHFgKA5xwoZy468+EPYg4TCrWnOcJZxu3Xd8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 23:46:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: San Francisco Electronic Music Festival starts Thursday From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 06:46:11 +0000 (UTC) This Thursday through Saturday - www.sfemf.org Featured artists: Thursday: Alessandro Cortini with Don Buchla (Alessandro's from Nine Inch Nails. Buchla's an early synth inventor.) John M. Chowning (another synthesizer pioneer) Ben Bracken Friday: =E2=80=A8MKM (G=C3=BCnter M=C3=BCller, Jason Kahn, N=C3=B6rbert Moslang) Trimpin (He's a builder of automated sculptures that play music. Search him on Youtube.) Pod Blotz Saturday: Caroliner Rainbow Shadow Walking Over Waves Somewhere Stephan Mathieu Joseph Hammer (Tape manipulator extraordinaire!) Lobby installation by Jacqueline Gordon (who used to build musical blankets= ) --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 06:48:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1A013BE92; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 06:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XI72OTDQUhn+LKErc4SAJdGkCmZH9/ESbGmKG6IO1ps=; b=F9xlzFGnvlc7E+1M2+dnEKRxsg/btl5OhdhYqTprzlr3FSzhylifydD1zt4r+gLizW fgQtISHRCBhgQfMX9TctTVhSCxXToLNfOL+0LnxyLOB326vXxMz/R5iEM6nl3tNna18v ca+d/HTaJzr+mAqSBnLUrFbaUbQmnqVhceWDk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=BKE/u/r86xIOfT0cHI9vAoPWEDmnTieH5Oid97tAq5mCdWqihcBT0qKOA5PKJlmBce 2R3txJKgiQGV50EvchJPSJVWdGj8cAFb9t4IEktEG0Xy5HHTmlLwwkcaz0GQTcLcO0Bp 3g27wz1LdGMmzPI0pmk1UjhzapP46ERLwvHp8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 23:48:51 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Another Youtube video - MD and Eric Glick Rieman From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <-spiXD.A.liF.TNIiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 06:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Just posted this a week or so ago. I'm playing with Eric Glick Rieman, who plays a deconstructed Fender Rhodes Piano http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4sp057iYFc -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 08:21:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D9AF3BE93; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=F8te+7uD4s69xSzb6OSZyTyQoh10WS1TSUgECcxKsjo=; b=fYnZDleDRNV1ulfXAWczp4d9gRRzflxz6nI80ILVxU6nLrSoe2JQs+wA2S1IQ661Kk xuRRr7P3OqSs4RCdiHyCtyO9LGz0C2peqeSxqt//dh4jI6S+GMT/LhfRsLqoVXPBwMEX zv9XhEeG+GprHzr35Otx+KXzVU8QD9BEVnPUg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=A5Z9pyKecFQuEt2i8/+SXf5gAt20SRL3Sl3jEF18XP+pkKmjevTYOH+C+JYKo7Z736 k3Htgat22jOO929/1aZ47Dm6IKdwnYMQHIitL3nOxSbFOeuAZNXjhTQeG+dFTiCOJH7W F2NjvamK71Fb7b1pWEUSzE2B5nitQ6fK5gNFw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C881373.50200@cruzio.com> References: <4C881373.50200@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:20:49 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: U6wlw3lVNMzeBIYIXlsRRSpt97w Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: (pseudo) American expressions (Was: Abelton Live question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f9daf37f35397048fcf4f42 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:21:10 +0000 (UTC) --00c09f9daf37f35397048fcf4f42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > I'm actually serious here. Would anyone find that offensive? > If so, I apologize because I've used that word a few times in > emails to everyone. If not, then, well, f*ck it!!!! > Im also very interested to! I must say that I just type it right out without thinking, and say it out loud in all sorts of inappropriate places. But certainly here in Norway it NOT considered rude, its a foreign word after all! Now if I was to shout FITTE FAEN I HELVETE HESTE KUK!!! at the top of my voice in church, I might get some looks... Heres a funny clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkJf0md1kG8 Funny thing: There was a film here here in Scandinavia a few years back called (avert your eyes, ye of weak disposition, I shall use the letter u) "FUCKING AM=C5L" It is refering to a place in Sweden I believe (Sant Per?) Anyway, my friend was visiting from England, and a bus went past with an advertisment for the film. My friend stopped in his tracks and exclaimed "Y= o cant write THAT on a bus!" He was seriously shocked! Another point. I actually think that there is a difference between spelling the word fuck or f*ck. The first spelling is casual use, not meant to draw attention to it, not meant as an expletive, not meant to offend, the assumption is that the reader is an adult, and will pay no attention. The second spelling, equally viable, denotes its use as a swear-word , and draws attention to the fact that the writer wished to convey a strong emotion, as if they actually shouted it out loud. And finally I must say that I hate the over use of this word: I was once shot down in flames by my grand-father who once told me off for using the word (He was an intellectual latin and greek teacher). He said, can you not express your anger as a series of cleverly constructed arguments and statements without resorting to cheating by falsely strengthening the veracity of your augment with a strong word, to resort to that tactic, is t= o already have lost your argument. I said But "Granddad, why don't you like that word, it just rhymmes with duck, its nothing to be frightened of" And hes said.. "But Mark, I LOVE tha= t word... I love that the english language has words that mean things and hav= e different strengths. (Then he said it out loud, the only time I ever heard him say it) "... Mark... FUCK is a magic word, dont you want to keep it tah= t way, or do you want it to be water4ed down to be as strong as the word, Milk, or Potato, or Duck" My grand-father was a wise man Mark --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00c09f9daf37f35397048fcf4f42 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
I'm actually serious here. =A0 Would anyone find that = offensive?
If so, I apologize because I've used that word a few times in
emails to everyone. =A0 If not, =A0 then, =A0 well, =A0 =A0 f*ck it!!!!

Im also very interested to!
I must say that I = just type it right out without thinking, and say it out loud in all sorts o= f inappropriate places. But certainly here in Norway it NOT considered rude= , its a foreign word after all! Now if I was to shout FITTE FAEN I HELVETE = HESTE KUK!!! at the top of my voice in church, I might get some looks...
Heres a funny clip:

http://www.youtube= .com/watch?v=3DAkJf0md1kG8

Funny thing: There was a film here he= re in Scandinavia a few years back called (avert your eyes, ye of weak disp= osition, I shall use the letter u) "FUCKING AM=C5L" It is referin= g to a place in Sweden I believe (Sant Per?) Anyway, my friend was visiting= from England, and a bus went past with an advertisment for the film. My fr= iend stopped in his tracks and exclaimed "Yo cant write THAT on a bus!= " He was seriously shocked!

Another point. I actually think that there is a difference between spel= ling the word fuck or f*ck.
The first spelling is casual use, not meant = to draw attention to it, not meant as an expletive, not meant to offend, th= e assumption is that the reader is an adult, and will pay no attention. The= second spelling, equally viable, denotes its use as a swear-word , and dra= ws attention to the fact that the writer wished to convey a strong emotion,= as if they actually shouted it out loud.

And finally I must say that I hate the over use of this word: I was onc= e shot down in flames by my grand-father who once told me off for using the= word (He was an intellectual latin and greek teacher). He said, can you no= t express your anger as a series of cleverly constructed arguments and stat= ements without resorting to cheating by falsely strengthening the veracity = of your augment with a strong word, to resort to that tactic, is to already= have lost your argument.

I said But "Granddad, why don't you like that word, it just rh= ymmes with duck, its nothing to be frightened of" And hes said.. "= ;But Mark, I LOVE that word... I love that the english language has words t= hat mean things and have different strengths. (Then he said it out loud, th= e only time I ever heard him say it) "... Mark... FUCK is a magic word= , dont you want to keep it taht way, or do you want it to be water4ed down = to be as strong as the word, Milk, or Potato, or Duck"

My grand-father was a wise man




Mark

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mark francombe
www= .markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabk= hao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vi= meo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.= no
--00c09f9daf37f35397048fcf4f42-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 08:41:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CD6C3BE8B; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 490859342/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.211/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.211 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcBALc6iExYbRvT/2dsb2JhbAAHk23KaoJmglcEjRI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,338,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="490859342" Message-ID: <4C889DB6.4080502@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:41:26 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Questions regarding Gordius LG2 MIDI pedalboard References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8iOpuC.A.Fq.02JiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:41:24 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: > First off, I believe you need to use the editor librarian to program the > ext switch functions. I may be wrong. Andy? care to chime in? no idea sorry, my original LG1 was modded to have 4 expression peds, and so far (after upgrade)I didn't need the extra switches ..and I never tried to program without the editor, but it's true that some functions aren't available without it. A quick look into the LG shows a limited capability to set up the switch/ped choice. I bet you have to set the "Number of expression pedals" to 2 as well as activate the switches in the Global menu. ...and then I *expect* that it's inputs 3&4 that become the switch inputs. >If > Xavier's lurking he will tell you or shoot him an e-mail. or there's a GORDIUS group, ...but a direct mail to Xavier is the quickest way for tech question like this. > Are you > talking about all 4 inputs on the back including the expression pedals > ,or just the two dedicated to switch functions? In the LG2 all 4 inputs are software configurable. They can be either pedal or switch. After the next big upgrade they'll each support 2 switches (or the ped) > lastly, I had a night of living hell initially trying to navigate the > machine from the front panel so do yourself a favor get the editor > librarian going, plug in the usb port and git er done! there's no editor for mac as yet. What makes the LG series a lot more difficult to program is that you first have to set up Patches, and then assign those to Presets...and then add the Preset to a Bank(which you have to create). So, it's not possible to figure without the manual, even though it seems you can just dive into the menus, and it's not like the fcb1010 where all you have to do is follow a series of rigid instructions. For me it's great, I can program in a mad script for edp control and only put it in one of the banks if I actually need it. (it stays in memory as a *named* preset, so I can use it or not without having to program the same long script ever again) As soon as you want to do complex stuff the LG becomes a dream machine, which means that as a source of simple commands for midi-learn it's a bit overspec'ed, ...can't really have one without the other, but Xavier's looking to make programming somewhat easier when he brings out the next generation of firmware. andy ps. expect some evidence of LG scripts for the LP1 in the near future From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 08:45:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C98DD3BE92; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JBELYZUFI/lagK64UFgXv8sAxKsWULWsqB/wZ/jFyH4=; b=iDB03wnXHWVbosxAswcNvarr90lCk76lDkaakJzM3FFbt4hClZDe6agb23psyvEvc0 nxMzi9pVyTJ024TZ65gNujzH4IMxO8t6sHV+qDvXrdgVIfMobMOHrqfXmXyB69ddtwcb fgXNcuu98OuKEMw7QvL2gETcp3Qp7vEDsrVTI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=TJd7J2sIfG4HCbaDyxg9OiqOrHPkD55408Qh++4eiwxj8F880EM6/JVSHAJoB+X2E4 OjQVyHcU/er+09IM4zLM+1uYFaa1hssgppIbzomfhdKYXXMAoTPPQjjV8T36tLpxsQBf 8Js3Mo3tBLDk+dGli1KysGdaAAWFr8UNhJYpQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C881373.50200@cruzio.com> References: <4C881373.50200@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:45:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: (pseudo) American expressions (Was: Abelton Live question) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:45:38 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > do we really have to use an asterisk in the word f*ck? I love the asterisk and use it for irony! ;-) So funny that the asterisk says more than the actual bad word it is put to represent. In a logical sense it is of course totally lame to use the asterisk; everyone knows what it stands for anyway, so it doesn't protect you at all. I just love it because it is so fucking half-assed! ;-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 09:01:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 333F13BE91; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 785958.24939.bm@omp113.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284022872; bh=1SbZR3hmLUIeetyt1xmClCUOpTrfdZYyT7x/qjwk3+o=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V2SJltx83R9EvExUyQTwqE/CbkerHQHWyBNqyKNFrz9Ix7gidZZcfndB/iAORrXiSQ9hSXMyNbfY04c+z4l+HXJD3kfi+uyrRO6zLn3kdBxUAuYa38mf6WoY1gACqGICh6E5PAPDuHwZICTuxIh8mpzxPdENy9c7tT7hOktVV7s= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hRla+NyM6MJlUvLMfLevWJWctkK0P2sMYzKTZ4p0ISmg/qXR53QoDP5Ts5HWmNvQCnc4y5+4kqRE0rm+4OzKtb8zOcoL/t+A0ha+1ESYqusg70V8wSJ+MILpSK/aBdqvtWxHq3EAQ6dYC4OUgdTuZjTAJwOL9P99SoWX+Ir+fGU=; Message-ID: <625741.89919.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aS0No88VM1mn9Pkn1Okpa4ZPJL.X1Jy0iAlzsFUTufbLNdX bZek- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <4C881373.50200@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 02:01:12 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: (pseudo) American expressions (Was: Abelton Live question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:01:13 +0000 (UTC) puritans:-) they are so wonderful and they love pornography, maybe they even invented it!!! Antony ----- Original Message ---- From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 10:45:37 AM Subject: Re: OT: (pseudo) American expressions (Was: Abelton Live question) On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > do we really have to use an asterisk in the word f*ck? I love the asterisk and use it for irony! ;-) So funny that the asterisk says more than the actual bad word it is put to represent. In a logical sense it is of course totally lame to use the asterisk; everyone knows what it stands for anyway, so it doesn't protect you at all. I just love it because it is so fucking half-assed! ;-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 09:17:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85A253BE93; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lMca5o/ZIB9tUFN/SrbVXeaZ0fFCGiCnhlEvIfAtxdI=; b=dCpnaVbROjEKlJ4DIxcm181F4ywqBAh4JJ96FQtu5DT0V0Pcj6+oOAPZ7ZkRJNQnpR pSwZU+cGMxlRrGP9F+DHCb3ODWT3vPCBqA5LrdLwdCIdUeYxN8pKlM2DURBw69n81zc0 u2PL7N+dAz0O2yu4hAnwuJrm2THSuZrQ9phIE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=kOyb4Y+Mf9kddMwBGjOOxHAf1k/qD0kTL6ZYPan3MhHRPqpDE6L8k+ncwCjhRNTQJi a7vSbMlyKgr7Mf/IEdB2VNPf73VGcK+4ZfYyx8N7vLP1RMP3qmfoOcAuy34ri8HmwSGB HY/m+MaCLMq1sSEx5E+sPLR4QmDjG5z9jQYmk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C889DB6.4080502@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C889DB6.4080502@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:17:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Questions regarding Gordius LG2 MIDI pedalboard From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:17:55 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:41 AM, andy butler wrote: > I bet you have to set the "Number of expression pedals" to 2 > as well as activate the switches in the Global menu. > ...and then I *expect* that it's inputs 3&4 that become the switch > inputs. Yes, of course I have globally set my LG2 to "two expression pedals and two external switches". I just didn't mention that in the post since I held it for understood. Maybe my issue has to do with the switch pedal I use? I'd like to state that I'm finding the LG2 quite simple to program, but very time consuming because of the dialing wheel, the many levels and the fact that you can't go down from level 1 to reach level 122 faster; you have to go all the way from 1 to 122. I would compare programming the LG2 to programming a TC Electronics FireworX or an Eventide Eclipse; regarding the time it takes and the feeling it evokes that makes you want to smash things around you (programming by the panel buttons is not a healthy thing to do). As Andy said, you have to know about the three levels: Patches, Presets, Banks. This is a genius design IMHO because when you finally have all the patches in the box you combine them differently in many alternative banks. And there is a Mac OS editor in the making to be released when ready. Regarding "setting it up just once" that has to stand for me, because I don't use any MIDI controlled gear that isn't totally configurable. So my LG2 banks just go Bank 1 holds note numbers 1 - 10, Bank 2 holds note numbers 11 - 20 etc etc. And then I set up the receiving end to perform whatever action I want on a given pedal kick. But I may leave this concept in the future because I can see the power of the LG2 when it comes to setting up experimental banks that has patches spit out multiple MIDI messages and also redefining the expression pedal setup on a patch/preset basis. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 09:33:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 617713BE91; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" X-Originating-IP: 65.188.164.221 User-Agent: Web-Based Email 5.2.30 Message-Id: <20100909023354.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.ab9c28eda2.wbe@email00.secureserver.net> From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 02:33:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:33:56 +0000 (UTC)
what time sig would this song be:

ht= tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DifV5vSnbwv8&feature=3Drelated

just curious..especially the verses..
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT
From: Toby G <carpet8@mac.com>=
Date: Thu, September 09, 2010 1:44 am
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com

They may not get distracted but they will count beats/pulses incorrectly.
t
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raul Bonell" <raul.bonel= l@gmail.com>
To: <Loopers-Deli= ght@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT


related story:

once, attending to a composition workshop led by orlando jacinto
garc=C3=ADa (who studied with morton feldman) i asked him why he was using<= br> *really* odd meters like 29/4 and left intentionally in silence a
bunch of bars for some parts ... i couldn't figure out how somebody
could count that at first sight or why he was not using more
efficiently the meter tool, but he told me that that was the only way
he had found to make the performers count silent bars and don't get
distracted :)


2010/9/9 Toby G <carpet8@mac.com&= gt;:
> Yeah, it bothers me when somebody says a piece is in 45/8 or some huge=
> number.
>
> t
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com>
> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT
>
>
>> Per Boysen wrote:
>>>
>>> Another one was Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells; the first theme= . Let's
>>> see... it must be 15/16. And that record was a chart topper an= d top
>>> seller
>>> for months!
>>
>> Yeah, wow, how could I have forgotten that famous big seller!
>>
>> I count it as 30/8
>> divided 7/8 (2+3+3) + 7/8 (2+2+3) 7/8 (2+2+3) + 9/8 (2+2+3+2)
>>
>> It might sound like splitting hairs, but the time signature is gen= erally
>> written according to the phrasing
>>
>>
>
>



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I b=C3=A9, despr=C3=A9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava
il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de
m=C3=A0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=C3=B3c un Buda o no, =C3= =B2sties!,
no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=C3=AD? "

Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://r= aulbonell.blogspot.com
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.= ct-collective.com


From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 09:45:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7542D3BE91; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fIb7c1gv8esxMR0LDbsRsw)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1009090017 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.0.10011,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-09-09_05:2010-09-09,2010-09-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <7CED0C2665EA43C0817F634102A96E4C@NORBY11> From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20100909023354.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.ab9c28eda2.wbe@email00.secureserver.net> Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 02:45:29 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:45:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_fIb7c1gv8esxMR0LDbsRsw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I'd say 4/8+5/8 because it doesn't have a flowing idea across 9 beats. = In my mind every time signature has a unique essence and it just doesn't = sound like nine. It feels like 4 and 5. You could notate it any way = you want. =20 t ----- Original Message -----=20 From: fh@flatheadband.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:33 AM Subject: RE: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT what time sig would this song be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DifV5vSnbwv8&feature=3Drelated just curious..especially the verses.. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Toby G Date: Thu, September 09, 2010 1:44 am To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com They may not get distracted but they will count beats/pulses = incorrectly. t ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT related story: once, attending to a composition workshop led by orlando jacinto garc=C3=ADa (who studied with morton feldman) i asked him why he was = using *really* odd meters like 29/4 and left intentionally in silence a bunch of bars for some parts ... i couldn't figure out how somebody could count that at first sight or why he was not using more efficiently the meter tool, but he told me that that was the only = way he had found to make the performers count silent bars and don't get distracted :) 2010/9/9 Toby G : > Yeah, it bothers me when somebody says a piece is in 45/8 or some = huge > number. > > t > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" = > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" = > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT > > >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>> Another one was Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells; the first theme. = Let's >>> see... it must be 15/16. And that record was a chart topper and = top=20 >>> seller >>> for months! >> >> Yeah, wow, how could I have forgotten that famous big seller! >> >> I count it as 30/8 >> divided 7/8 (2+3+3) + 7/8 (2+2+3) 7/8 (2+2+3) + 9/8 (2+2+3+2) >> >> It might sound like splitting hairs, but the time signature is = generally >> written according to the phrasing >> >> > > --=20 = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=C3=A9, despr=C3=A9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que = estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=C3=A0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=C3=B3c un Buda o = no, =C3=B2sties!, no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa = aix=C3=AD? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com --Boundary_(ID_fIb7c1gv8esxMR0LDbsRsw) Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
I'd say 4/8+5/8 because it doesn't have = a flowing=20 idea across 9 beats.  In my mind every time signature has a unique = essence=20 and it just doesn't sound like nine.  It feels like 4 and 5.  = You=20 could notate it any way you want. 
 
t
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 fh@flatheadband.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, September 09, = 2010 2:33=20 AM
Subject: RE: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC=20 COUNTERPOINT

what time sig would this song be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DifV5vSnbwv8&feature=3Drelated=

just curious..especially the verses..
-------- Original Message = --------
Subject: Re:=20 Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT
From: Toby G <carpet8@mac.com>
Date: = Thu,=20 September 09, 2010 1:44 am
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com

They=20 may not get distracted but they will count beats/pulses=20 incorrectly.

t
----- Original Message -----
From: = "Raul=20 Bonell" <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
To= :=20 <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Sent:=20 Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Re: = POLYRHYTHMIC=20 COUNTERPOINT


related story:

once, attending to a=20 composition workshop led by orlando jacinto
garc=C3=ADa (who = studied with=20 morton feldman) i asked him why he was using
*really* odd meters = like=20 29/4 and left intentionally in silence a
bunch of bars for some = parts ...=20 i couldn't figure out how somebody
could count that at first = sight or why=20 he was not using more
efficiently the meter tool, but he told me = that=20 that was the only way
he had found to make the performers count = silent=20 bars and don't get
distracted :)


2010/9/9 Toby G = <carpet8@mac.com>:
> = Yeah, it=20 bothers me when somebody says a piece is in 45/8 or some = huge
>=20 number.
>
> t
> ----- Original Message ----- From: = "Rick=20 Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com>
> = To:=20 "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
>=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: = POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT
>
>
>> Per Boysen=20 wrote:
>>>
>>> Another one was Mike = Oldfield's=20 Tubular Bells; the first theme. Let's
>>> see... it must = be=20 15/16. And that record was a chart topper and top
>>>=20 seller
>>> for months!
>>
>> Yeah, = wow, how=20 could I have forgotten that famous big = seller!
>>
>> I=20 count it as 30/8
>> divided 7/8 (2+3+3) + 7/8 (2+2+3) 7/8 = (2+2+3) +=20 9/8 (2+2+3+2)
>>
>> It might sound like splitting = hairs,=20 but the time signature is generally
>> written according to = the=20 phrasing
>>
>>
>
>



--=20 =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
I b=C3=A9, despr=C3=A9s estava aquella = dona=20 que sense saber que estava
il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que = he pagat=20 per aquesta merda de
m=C3=A0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em = diu si s=C3=B3c un=20 Buda o no, =C3=B2sties!,
no podien posar-li una agulla , o que = pitara, o=20 alguna cosa aix=C3=AD? "


Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
Chain=20 Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com

 --Boundary_(ID_fIb7c1gv8esxMR0LDbsRsw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 10:51:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 257563BE93; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=C8XDoxW9SG8kTI/AuCEb/uWwtfnwfX+S6z//7lXGz+U=; b=xmqRSI8pJDIU12gHrrYclcBo37P1OecKjVzVf2RBnQr8kS9k+R8oplR9vGI3ZdmmO8 9GivxrVvdwr6KKtREytU840hVwgkfw1gNZLxP6DiXbhwWLG2aQ4xI2uWBGz65/VRueIP BzhuIeqjehIufh0QKoFXW+ZhGtck9rl6XgD20= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=poXz/7vzyIbuQRGqKmxIHjZu5EO3v4dIvdxr5anwKdOrlM36Hju1IB+ppDnV+pMa1s xh+tqBjPQdK2QZAIYe2T5MEgcyU4XSh5XZXBIBGMAngY4DyZqtBUFuIKjFPOb5Bf3Yt7 hJc0UfDc8Qi+dvxpccc9hJYNOA+aBzgjrTnIo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:51:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing meter (was POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT) From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68f9daef8a476048fd16a3d Resent-Message-ID: <76pigB.A.NOD.JxLiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:51:54 +0000 (UTC) --0016e68f9daef8a476048fd16a3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yesterday night I was thinking the subject of this discussion is not theoretically correct. Here we are talking about "Polymeter", "Polyrhythm" or "Changing meter", as it is the same stuff. Songs like "Solsbury Hill", Money or 21st Century Schizoid Man are just using odd time signatures or changing meters: that's neither polymeter, neither polyrhythm... From wikipedia: *Although sometimes used synonymously, polymeter is the use of two metric frameworks (**time signatures* *) simultaneously, while polyrhythm refers to the simultaneous use of two or more different patterns, which may be in the same time-signature (Anon. 1999).* [see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meter_(music) and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm ] What they have in common is just *the "illusion" of the perceived rhythm*, nothing else. Technically and theoretically they are different technics, am I wrong ? ...Rick ? In my "Polymetric Counterpoint" composition, I superimposed one on top of another patterns with different lenghts, sharing the same "pulse". ...And just to be clear...ther's no 3/4, 5/4, 7/4...but 3/8, 5/8, 7/8. About "Counterpoint": that's another topic, common to any musical approach not specifically referred to polymeters, polyrythm or changing meter. Generally (in calassical music) counterpoint is referred to melodic lines. In my case ("Polymetric Counterpoint") the counterpoint is simply achieved by the interlocking patterns playing together. Too much theory ? Ok, I'll shut my mouth... ;-) -fabio www.eterogeneo.com --0016e68f9daef8a476048fd16a3d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yesterday night I was thinking the subject of this discussion is not t= heoretically correct.
Here we are talking about "Polymeter",=A0"Polyrhythm&qu= ot;=A0or "Changing meter", as it is the same stuff.
Songs like "Solsbury Hill",=A0Money or 21st Century Schizoid= Man are just using odd time signatures or changing meters: that's neit= her polymeter, neither polyrhythm...
=A0
From wikipedia:
Although sometimes used synonymously, polymeter is the use = of two metric frameworks (time signa= tures) simultaneously, while polyrhythm refers t= o the simultaneous use of two or more different patterns, which may be in t= he same time-signature (Anon. 1999).
=A0
What they have in common is just the "illusion" = of the perceived rhythm, nothing else.
Technically and theoretically they are different technics, am I wrong = ? ...Rick ?
=A0
In my "Polymetric Cou= nterpoint" composition, I superimposed one on top of another patte= rns with different lenghts, sharing the same "pulse".
...And just to be clear...ther's no 3/4, 5/4, 7/4...but 3/8, 5/8, = 7/8.
=A0
About "Counterpoint": that's another topic, common to an= y musical approach not specifically referred=A0to polymeters, polyrythm or = changing meter.
Generally (in calassical music) counterpoint is referred to melodic li= nes.
In my case ("Polymetric Counterpoint") the counterpoint is s= imply achieved by the interlocking patterns playing together.
=A0
Too much theory ?
Ok, I'll shut my mouth... ;-)
=A0
-fabio
--0016e68f9daef8a476048fd16a3d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 11:20:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F4CD3BE91; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=G9tUJUtErzWRIzlCqAcO8ihS0o19yj6o5nXacFhOMBY=; b=bGEZc493kcTqBoB+uKZcVme3IznyBXb7d5qh40kzEjpnK8fEnQXm7Rla6QH5PNwHhP CoHYsV8GUf0nKMwNiohWTPJtWj+CJ2pqfoRUmlMDsprp87W6xVto4wa/Jhza2SSP5oVB 7Z41U3a9nY7nHHWaPEdBhP95a1M4A0+/LY8IM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=h3edDABImAZo16I1AoD+XQz3VE+Rq+PVxQqnDF6J2g66t67KeN76Gkc32NLEyQq93Y SJzr62gjgM8XFDWM2rxQ5+EreZP/1lhzEH+CZvyLPsCscMnnBvFUWKtThtWavRp1f86B k35jdfV5ZHSy+QSVNNLWnSCPOhFBBtnLRaCF8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:20:19 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UVDnT5HXJa7Ju0pZTvH4HQgg77E Message-ID: Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing meter (was POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb2e6e71c95048fd1d1b1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:20:41 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cb2e6e71c95048fd1d1b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Fabio_A wrote: > Too much theory ? > Ok, I'll shut my mouth... ;-) > > Nearly too much, but not quite... can someone explain to me what 4:4 is in comparison to 4:8? I always thought that the second number denoted a crotchet, or a "beat". so I understand that 4:8 is quicker beats (er.. minims?) If I play a "four on the floor" guitar chug, Im playing 4:4.. if I then just play double speed, has the song changed meter to 4:8.. I think not...? And what of when people write 16:5.. ist there such a thing as a 5 as the second number.. what the f*** is that? Also, is the meter a descriptor of how the notes loop? In polyrhythm 2 or more musical lines are superimposed, and indeed the clicks in you video are also poly rhythmic, but is that RHYTHM? I can play a 5 note looping riff, OVER a 4:4 beat, and that track is in 4:4, the fact that the notes revolve and dont come back the same way round for a few bars is just a melody played in a 4:4 song is it not? And just to prove that I'm NOT against odd time sigs... heres a song from the Cranes (Im playing the bass here... first chang is me) Now I'm guessing the is 6:8 and then 4:4... not topo weird, but I PROMISE you, we had NO IDEA what time sig it was when we wrote it... http://www.cranes-fan.com/audio/cranes-lemon_tree.mp3 -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0015175cb2e6e71c95048fd1d1b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com> wrote:
<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">
Too much theory ?
Ok, I'll shut my mouth... ;-)
=A0

Nearly too much, but not quite... can = someone explain to me what 4:4 is in comparison to 4:8? I always thought th= at the second number denoted a crotchet, or a "beat". so I unders= tand that 4:8 is quicker beats (er.. minims?)
If I play a "four on the floor" guitar chug, Im playing 4:4.. if = I then just play double speed, has the song changed meter to 4:8.. I think = not...?

And what of when people write 16:5.. ist there such a thing = as a 5 as the second number.. what the f*** is that?

Also, is the meter a descriptor of how the notes loop? In polyrhythm 2= =A0 or more musical lines are superimposed, and indeed the clicks in you vi= deo are also poly rhythmic, but is that RHYTHM? I can play a 5 note looping= riff, OVER a 4:4 beat, and that track is in 4:4, the fact that the notes r= evolve and dont come back the same way round for a few bars is just a melod= y played in a 4:4 song is it not?

And just to prove that I'm NOT against odd time sigs... heres a son= g from the Cranes=A0 (Im playing the bass here... first chang is me) Now I&= #39;m guessing the is 6:8 and then 4:4... not topo weird, but I PROMISE you= , we had NO IDEA what time sig it was when we wrote it...

http:= //www.cranes-fan.com/audio/cranes-lemon_tree.mp3

-= -
mark francombe
www.markfr= ancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @ma= rkfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/use= r825094
http://www.looop.no
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On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:20 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.c= om> wrote:
http://w= ww.cranes-fan.com/audio/cranes-lemon_tree.mp3


--
mark francombe
www.mark= francombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.c= om
twitter @markfrancombe
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--0016e64b92f2344b11048fd1e024-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 11:25:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 588D53BE92; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VEikcTGeHNt094g5lbCtGy9f5O2PfJUKLDuK8DFC9SU=; b=K+zVjwOwTRKpoocWKm7V9jS+b/6Ci4SFU1Y8qxqYWAEd0wmLQgQb5eakylRyLXIbCL J7xB+D8Zi2JgeOAo5PX0bRLxRZPUIELmUssAXAPMUSbKMC2mBASMYD5nzpnbKJdYLDOK RGk2Lr6RZWN9zeZZMYHXxkaYGARIGtn3Y18QU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hxS7vBTRqeyNzQNU7GN6d48bhXho3V6ovAl8Ru1CbT8x6iYuFC33PvxiB4gHDu1FIo jyDEFk4f7WyfMDHJzj7upZUjfGmk4gAFc/KORcLe42xQQmo9nc+e4zL+ygOEddjwrUW/ NxN6d979JYhoP7ABs52w8bOXGxctCsBun0mzg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:25:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing meter (was POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:25:27 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Fabio_A wrote: > Too much theory ? > Ok, I'll shut my mouth... ;-) Not at all, I would say! It's good to set the record straight now and then. List members that already know these things can just delete the post but for some folks it can be incredibly helpful. > mark francombe to Loopers-Delight: > can someone explain to me what 4:4 is in comparison to 4:8? Isn't "half tempo" and "double tempo" a good way of digesting that? Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 12:22:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 959473BE91; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yYQUV25hagXMiJXe5FNDYw/ohCQt7OPCWGi2/Ie7wVk=; b=Ua+CoM38G89QD9rRF65UXyv1RehiwYGvusqyZn6cKUzpkVaLAy8rBnDZqXry13dCG0 K3hmtcf/WAe29X7z3aLi8bJO4Wa3a9SnYwJRqjlFXlWeBYU7Zs4bH3734mzbm51JCHGW ouw/14UFSS5nEF1/FP4X0PLbCyYz9Y8fUJy6c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=VeSildyjA/pK2cM5naGg/f8qxpxSVArXRqN4YT7bU9+yKLdA/23PivDodZbV5iiO3s veanlIJ35sECFX/761BMzshWRNoWBOKH+xEs8S5nouKwI8seaRiwOY5U1mtgZsDs/FTD pKQ2fF7OE3B50PKIasEbfbZLNgGHGO/HBK5uA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:22:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Bandcamp: help needed From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0050450160167fe07c048fd2af21 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:22:38 +0000 (UTC) --0050450160167fe07c048fd2af21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm trying to upload an album on Bandcamp. - I upload the first song, set it as a part of an album; - when the upload is done, BC requires me to set the album title; I've done that (included cover art uploading) - then I upload the second song...same procedure, but at the end It looks (on the right pane) like I have two albums there. ...No ! I just want to collect a bunch of songs under the "same" album, but surely I'm missing something. I've read the F*Q (...!...), but can't find the solution. Anyone can help me ? -fabio --0050450160167fe07c048fd2af21 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm trying to upload an album on Bandcamp.
- I upload the first song, set=A0it as a part of an album;
- when the upload is done, BC requires me to set the album title; I= 9;ve done that (included cover art uploading)
- then I upload the second song...same procedure, but at the end It lo= oks (on the right pane) like I have two albums there.
...No ! I just want to collect a bunch of songs under the "same&q= uot; album, but surely I'm missing something.
I've read the F*Q (...!...), but=A0can't find=A0the solution.<= /div>
=A0
Anyone can help me ?
=A0
-fabio
--0050450160167fe07c048fd2af21-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 12:25:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 807EB3BE91; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=I30VKLf76tQ5PryIVffMVahCKqm25i8lqNobslCbows=; b=p4ywtDJjjdlWj0scjKPpqpnrgANlzHSkCb9ICdE/wmq6vla8DcpDZGoybulQ/BA7/+ itzYsxzRid4d5OdDDiKQtfCN1cXATy9pee/VstxRUGyBgyXRVPOCu22F2u+dwy/6dQ2e 9Yn9VrAwhnhQ1oQ3pDSt1fPY/WgoKXaoA/d4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=LUVdhp3qm9DEykkS2EAW4XeZuEnmxDxcFBfBTBqjIxuh5CVxSwNfS5Z7pCJMwNRpFr p81C/rhKamA5yg2NV9WzlK9bGE7aPEjCQWRRBncEucMtdb8OMoYGSaVx3ErR0FcgVUzt ujj+UpKS6U/1chjol6veNyoCrJV91hptxhBBo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:24:53 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NWbR6O22jEfayXYJLt4AE49VvlM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cba00e407d7048fd2b86c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:25:45 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cba00e407d7048fd2b86c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When you upload the second song, you should have the option to ADD it to an existing album, in a drop down menu... Im sure you can change it afterwards too... Mark On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Fabio_A wrote: > I'm trying to upload an album on Bandcamp. > - I upload the first song, set it as a part of an album; > - when the upload is done, BC requires me to set the album title; I've done > that (included cover art uploading) > - then I upload the second song...same procedure, but at the end It looks > (on the right pane) like I have two albums there. > ...No ! I just want to collect a bunch of songs under the "same" album, but > surely I'm missing something. > I've read the F*Q (...!...), but can't find the solution. > > Anyone can help me ? > > -fabio > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0015175cba00e407d7048fd2b86c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When you upload the second song, you should have the option to ADD it to an= existing album, in a drop down menu... Im sure you can change it afterward= s too...

Mark

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 = at 2:22 PM, Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm tryi= ng to upload an album on Bandcamp.
- I upload the first song, set=A0it as a part of an album;
- when the upload is done, BC requires me to set the album title; I= 9;ve done that (included cover art uploading)
- then I upload the second song...same procedure, but at the end It lo= oks (on the right pane) like I have two albums there.
...No ! I just want to collect a bunch of songs under the "same&q= uot; album, but surely I'm missing something.
I've read the F*Q (...!...), but=A0can't find=A0the solution.<= /div>
=A0
Anyone can help me ?
=A0
-fabio



--
mark francombewww.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markf= rancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--0015175cba00e407d7048fd2b86c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 12:29:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98F7F3BE94; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ni8OqnfeLDpbr0p5ObTPFLaz08sPJUE6EiENF4LFTak=; b=N2qM+ze67ZVWhjSrk/n2hvhyiNQZsnN9RHbogwaIOvPhX0EYkBUbPEEdcW2OQtb9yd cMgckzfFaECf/V/07uoykYSZpy2BBLsWoEKe+zdOndB0IgMKJYTx9qcAtnAtYOALFmsT EEGObueO7r2jZOe2l/a0/C2I8hLCQQI/9/5dw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=YP4lUaO1nLSKR9gW5rAJ0PM2IaW4VOXgRtLjzn1pzyBt5pzSKZ1dFCMmCh5WzMdqG4 Hh7/6jC5XGlavh0Gj3LVD7bDdjlKZ7EuMQ8u9L/3cMhgT8FxUikXPhorV6jpZAkvunMf g6Ob2r7IVb/L9Y1Aj2Lat6bEh9qXlWG62m7DI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:29:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045014302dc7423048fd2c68a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:29:10 +0000 (UTC) --005045014302dc7423048fd2c68a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2010/9/9 mark francombe > When you upload the second song, you should have the option to ADD it to an > existing album, in a drop down menu... Im sure you can change it afterwards > too... > > Mark Thanks, but where it is THAT button ? Can't find it -f > > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Fabio_A wrote: > >> I'm trying to upload an album on Bandcamp. >> - I upload the first song, set it as a part of an album; >> - when the upload is done, BC requires me to set the album title; I've >> done that (included cover art uploading) >> - then I upload the second song...same procedure, but at the end It looks >> (on the right pane) like I have two albums there. >> ...No ! I just want to collect a bunch of songs under the "same" album, >> but surely I'm missing something. >> I've read the F*Q (...!...), but can't find the solution. >> >> Anyone can help me ? >> >> -fabio >> > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > --005045014302dc7423048fd2c68a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/9/9 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
When you upload the second song,= you should have the option to ADD it to an existing album, in a drop down = menu... Im sure you can change it afterwards too...

Mark
=A0
Thanks, but where it is THAT button ? Can't find it
=A0
-f
=A0


On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Fabio_A <ete= rogenus@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm trying to upload an album on Bandcamp.
- I upload the first song, set=A0it as a part of an album;
- when the upload is done, BC requires me to set the album title; I= 9;ve done that (included cover art uploading)
- then I upload the second song...same procedure, but at the end It lo= oks (on the right pane) like I have two albums there.
...No ! I just want to collect a bunch of songs under the "same&q= uot; album, but surely I'm missing something.
I've read the F*Q (...!...), but=A0can't find=A0the solution.<= /div>
=A0
Anyone can help me ?
=A0
-fabio



=
--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--005045014302dc7423048fd2c68a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 12:33:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F4ED3BE92; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:33:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: Subject: RE: Bandcamp: help needed Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:33:41 +0200 Message-ID: <49D88B2007AE44CA8DFB99E139111B58@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01CB502C.00B42460" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: ActQGrh5Rx2/IzJES76GaPskI3PXWgAAFYhQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.4.50; VDF: 7.10.11.116) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:33:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CB502C.00B42460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you must have overlooked something Fabio ... I've uploaded 12 or so different albums and had no such problems. Only thing is that you have to specify the album that a song belongs to. -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CB502C.00B42460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
you must have overlooked something Fabio ... = I've=20 uploaded 12 or so different albums and had no such problems. Only thing = is that=20 you have to specify the album that a song belongs to.   -Michael
 
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CB502C.00B42460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 12:38:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 658283BE92; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RMP6nV7dViiRXamccS01BD1gh3xkCRUzUOOwJD5Eg/c=; b=SE7SIXVYaWi7VQQ/T7kpe37QQ6e+c/WAwHdN5UwoQGveJ/OY/QapWOcMZM0ktMOJac T8th6x1i3bupXt4OxlySylXLRNE6jmrF3IUMiTl1T6biwUoPX7DjMnc4juyfEmk3M4xh pf1T+/Ymj1ZLd0S610orT2JEaFz5uiVqBuw6g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=BqaOjZiSzskZisgN0P/7XFu0sciP5B80H0RMPGd7lZFWgwPvJI9u5I/+UOT9KwV4Aj 9F7cJAicXFSxc/BbWZoX8ggtQiXR54ZcDrsfJGYECrNogFYgp6ZBs6m5wQVskk5rWJyg TieQ/UHwxvViQGpG048XlVD8ltokdRzFmPtpk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49D88B2007AE44CA8DFB99E139111B58@mpeserver> References: <49D88B2007AE44CA8DFB99E139111B58@mpeserver> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:38:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517510b341c6c41048fd2e770 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:38:11 +0000 (UTC) --001517510b341c6c41048fd2e770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2010/9/9 Michael Peters > Only thing is that you have to specify the album that a song belongs to. > -Michael > please tell me where... > --001517510b341c6c41048fd2e770 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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2010/9/9 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>
Only thing is that you have to specify the album that a song belongs to.=A0=A0 -Michael
=A0
please tell me where...

--001517510b341c6c41048fd2e770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 12:43:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB0783BE93; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gWGq9rQnTNCX5ORtO7LwXnhwcDuIDGB4EM56zQTooxU=; b=lRfYMTNkUog7r4Pd6wY7avkWH3kpdeTu/UPTq7Sk6ZBVbaQmVIAT2ij0e5wYxRccGE SenrtHbyVSQbYS23pxICVZhcRwCsFX3EuqNyV6LcdTB74wI784SevUDPRyA/8WmH9x6v 5COW5vy6kGL/Vw+POV7M3n+Zc6OprjHjmAgrs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gcdGTiUAEY9h150QPVFEHl1fdN2cBCsGCxhPoy9pqy1Nj1YIab45ZLXGM8d6cFbk+x mUKW3C+0DpfDxSxAF1KOhEvliTQGSDBaT4Sd1Lzshs2SAsMf1vIEYdDotQehNm/vAbNx mvRKLXyDkgV4xWSS6hx782NGGSE3cwlJgTfxI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49D88B2007AE44CA8DFB99E139111B58@mpeserver> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:43:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504501430210afea048fd2fb10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:43:45 +0000 (UTC) --00504501430210afea048fd2fb10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I suspect that it is my "Windows" that doesn't display all the options... 2010/9/9 Fabio_A > > 2010/9/9 Michael Peters > > Only thing is that you have to specify the album that a song belongs to. >> -Michael >> > > please tell me where... > >> > --00504501430210afea048fd2fb10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I suspect that it is my "Windows" that doesn't display a= ll the options...
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=A0
2010/9/9 Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com>
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2010/9/9 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>=20

Only thing is that you have to specify the album that a song belongs to.=A0=A0 -Michael
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please tell me where...


--00504501430210afea048fd2fb10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 13:09:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 987D23BEAF; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yfboIkgKf2J9Ff6dbzAVHX7d2kxYLEKZinooTAS7TLI=; b=Mx0IYiL1wyu2+fmGwWZuWU/qW1wd8h5+6sQ1fiAe6Mkjn0ljClnuKnh+fwOPUA/B/C OEGuEuJ+P/kIeEBVrn6duD6JEpPYALh5GzLCKuqF5koZHn0CLasYL4Sf1v++ZdFSpb+4 AOgI13A7WEC+jE/2c0AwcoNQJ4er5w5LKc0FY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=kTeGCAEtNx9GI6e9Z07ltup7qW0LYzVwUsAyNqfkKyS3Hyq6skNMslfNozlzW2N1Cp R6zQsnMKGec4AXxspTxCArI6WEdlCxSI4mzc2o2NBPvQ1R0RmXMDhAz+B8adgKZa140G zptryUdmkIoH6rjXVtbvixee3QdCJuJlD5AXU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:09:47 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iMac for Recording From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:09:48 +0000 (UTC) >> Will I have issues with the iMac using just the one hard drive? I assume= that I >> could always, at least, utilize an external USB or Firewire-connected dr= ive if >> necessary. And, am I hanging onto an outdated parameter as far as the ro= tational >> speed is concerned? THX! > It depends on the number of channels you want to record > simultaneously. Both my Macbook and iMac have 5400 rpm drives and run > fine when recording 4 tracks. FYI: I haven't tested 6 or 8 tracks yet > on these machines but I would expect that 7200 rpm is recommend when > recording 8-16 or more tracks of audio simultaneously. The parameter of a HDD relevant in this context is the continuous (write) transfer speed - which somehow correlates to the RPMs, but not exactly in a linear fashion. Correlating the number of channels with the harddisc's RPMs now feels like looking for a dependency between top speed of a car and its rev redline. To get more technical: contemporary *mobile* HDDs (e.g. Samsung Spinpoint M6) are specified as 860Mbit/s (~100MB/s) from buffer to disc and 300MB/s from host to buffer. For comparison, a mono audio track (at 24/48, which makes sense in a lot of cases) would be 48000(samples)*3(24 bits=3D3 bytes)/(1024*1024 "byte to Mbyte") =3D 0,137MB/s. This is several dimensions below what your 5400RPM harddrive can do (or to put it in context to the car example - even an engine with a 5000rpm redline will be fast enough for innercity traffic). Continuous transfer rates of harddiscs are never the parameter that will endanger any kind of audio recording today (that was different like 15 years ago or so...). So unless your OS is configured oddly (so it has a lot of disc access apart from the audio traffic - here the second harddisc approach mentioned by Paul would help), there shouldn't be any problem at all. To give a real-life example: "A T=E4towierte Katz'" (http://moinsound.wordpress.com/2010/05/09/a-tatowierte-katz-another-twitte= rchords-tune/) was recorded onto 15 audio tracks at 24/48 on a machine with a 5400prm harddisk. Worked fine. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 13:19:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A15AD3BEC4; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:19:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1284038383; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=O8GCR9a/mVuqQrt95PCFTjQO7rc=; b=V206cdwG11l66zpKoibQ1Aeryg4u6kK3zypnwFvexWQkI3HAo1qrXHOSjBN491HO +K7Wzb1YnI6CMOUj19u/4owrk5yiYTPMsoNJVcuNoUWuXXrNR56OVEZbAPkyaQZs; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=tQ3rdkT10jK9LrT5CV5oP/7Hc2FYgH3wAOIngcBrRR4= c=1 sm=0 a=iD/6ivJ4D7Hv3lNKU3fayg==:17 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Wh5QU5ROEbhvJpfjuVQA:9 a=GzVw0d41jApS-xm6bB4A:7 a=uLUYh2SP1gR8t6X_YcCoxCMz97kA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=0GXzayXv4hcA:10 a=V1qUgzO4Yks7YtjDCVUA:9 a=2Hk83FEJgksKr9G11pMA:7 a=bx-dc-Od-pZYLA8YXfs9fM-SzAwA:4 a=iD/6ivJ4D7Hv3lNKU3fayg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000c01cb5021$a9f32c20$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <49D88B2007AE44CA8DFB99E139111B58@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:19:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CB5000.2260C360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100909-0, 09/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:19:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CB5000.2260C360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable when you are at the album page and you want to add a new song: 1) Be sure you are logged in, at the top of the page next to the the = small bc logo at the left should be stats - music - index - new track 2) click on new track 3) enter track name, under that is add audio (you can do that last after = filling out the page) 4) under that is a check box followed by "part of an album, EP, what = have you" followed by a dropdown menu. Check this box 5) this menu should have your album name listed. choose it 5) click add audio and wait, remember to save at the bottom of screen. hope this helps, J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio_A=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed I suspect that it is my "Windows" that doesn't display all the = options... 2010/9/9 Fabio_A 2010/9/9 Michael Peters =20 Only thing is that you have to specify the album that a song = belongs to. -Michael please tell me where... ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CB5000.2260C360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
when you are at the album page and you = want to add=20 a new song:
 
1) Be sure you are logged in, at the = top of the=20 page next to the the small bc logo at the left should be stats - music - = index -=20 new track
2) click on new track
3) enter track name, under that is add = audio (you=20 can do that last after filling out the page)
4) under that is a check box followed = by "part of=20 an album, EP, what have you" followed by a dropdown menu. Check this=20 box
5) this menu should have your album = name listed.=20 choose it
5) click add audio and wait, remember = to save at=20 the bottom of screen.
 
hope this helps,
 
J
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fabio_A=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, September 09, = 2010 8:43=20 AM
Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help = needed

I suspect that it is my "Windows" that doesn't display all the=20 options...
 
 
2010/9/9 Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com><= BR>
 
2010/9/9 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>=20

Only thing is=20 that you have to specify the album that a song belongs=20 to.  =20 -Michael
 
please tell me where...


------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CB5000.2260C360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 13:25:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4F473BEAE; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=S8swxfp+dJXWQ/lgHPYfcQxnVZgHBR2E53irHzAKsSQ=; b=KDLv3BnSgCzXlRFY3y7NtyVtxJLTYYFTAUnbLGOEXYZ2MVkIqLYGHfuC9EeqjZoTGV LCsmpD+c6if+6cVAprEGr2foLVaPRmdS3L9lf+oRwEeh/7PebqWIWvJOKtgH8aO0bMgI Pu+7cJL24OTOhtVhcEsqbiK1HREbvYDW1L9gg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=J2vp5lX30N5haMjZF4Z4Vzym+pUPIx4noDyqHNXW3nF6kDuV1IkZ8ahgApjMvGR86j pYIgT+99DloHSBnnYMogqN+tywWWwLbh13dUrgCMhGzFvvesua75LvBYuSOaARG4RKMI hsaOdwqSX5BdPr8MWfnOISeujLZ36YKrtghZw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000c01cb5021$a9f32c20$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> References: <49D88B2007AE44CA8DFB99E139111B58@mpeserver> <000c01cb5021$a9f32c20$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:25:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d6039accb58048fd39176 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:25:52 +0000 (UTC) --0022152d6039accb58048fd39176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the explanation Jeff, BUT..... 2010/9/9 Jeff Duke > when you are at the album page and you want to add a new song: > > 1) Be sure you are logged in, at the top of the page next to the the smal= l > bc logo at the left should be stats - music - index - new track > ok > 2) click on new track > done > 3) enter track name, under that is add audio (you can do that last after > filling out the page) > done > 4) under that is a check box followed by "part of an album, EP, what hav= e > you" followed by a dropdown menu. Check this box > HERE IS THE PROBLEM... I've cheched it but it dosen't diplay the drop down men=F9... So, now I'm sure that it fault of my PC > hope this helps, > thank you very much ! Looking forward to meet you in SC ! fabio > > J > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Fabio_A > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:43 AM > *Subject:* Re: Bandcamp: help needed > > I suspect that it is my "Windows" that doesn't display all the options... > > > 2010/9/9 Fabio_A > >> >> 2010/9/9 Michael Peters >> >> Only thing is that you have to specify the album that a song belongs to= . >>> -Michael >>> >> >> please tell me where... >> >>> >> > --0022152d6039accb58048fd39176 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the explanation Jeff, BUT.....
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2010/9/9 Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
when you are at the album page and you= want to add a new song:
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1) Be sure you are logged in, at the t= op of the page next to the the small bc logo at the left should be stats - = music - index - new track
ok
2) click on new track
done
3) enter track name, under that is add= audio (you can do that last after filling out the page)
=
done
4) under that is a check box followed = by "part of an album, EP, what have you" followed by a dropdown m= enu. Check this box
HERE IS THE PROBLEM... I've cheched it but it dosen't diplay t= he drop down men=F9...
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So, now I'm sure that it fault of=A0my PC
=A0
=A0
hope this helps,
=A0
thank you very much !
Looking forward to meet you in SC !
=A0
fabio
=A0
J
----- Original Message -----
From: Fabio_A
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8= :43 AM
Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed

I suspect that it is my "Windows" that doesn't display a= ll the options...
=A0
=A0
2010/9/9 Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com= >
=A0
2010/9/9 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>=20

Only thing is that you have to specify the album that a song belongs to.=A0=A0 -Michael
=A0
please tell me where...



--0022152d6039accb58048fd39176-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 13:29:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B18B73BEAE; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=lNipi6qAu2wBFyxiej87vfVDEA2vpUz9/aHe5trNzVQ=; b=exXyY1V3beMqyYkQzqsOVMXU7U0xDD4cehVfY9GA+af0RPTBrcsfl41hPZq2eJ7Acj KrVpbZbgjwrZHtpzNNcKLNtL3kQKLLZDruNF6QDt2c1WrHVX1pSOC3/O9TK0JEyArWB1 L2yiHWf8Vtm4WfF051XtEFNh3BEBEKWld+s5g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=nLXGOXXrslOB5GF5v5WLt8BiQc5lCOPsqtjt8WMnr8LL02WGp4+Lq6WEvxtxOzKhJZ YAD4l5mOrSKzjBMq3Geqj8Jwi/e+HnlIdzrT3b9Kvg07YoPniQLOJ9UGCxdcVzKt+XVo KHDwYAEPgYAgMPsJD99uvmeC4ULzPTqTUfCxM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <49D88B2007AE44CA8DFB99E139111B58@mpeserver> <000c01cb5021$a9f32c20$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:29:14 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GR0l0UvNKuJ-vIPc1MdOj91-Js4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175caa24eff28c048fd39eb0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:29:35 +0000 (UTC) --0015175caa24eff28c048fd39eb0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Look here! http://img.skitch.com/20100909-d8tjx4gqm4c941w7qd37rdrnfa.jpg --0015175caa24eff28c048fd39eb0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Look here!

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--0015175caa24eff28c048fd39eb0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 13:33:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F12FD3BEA0; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jlB74a3T5P7xqVzuTRz+L1uf10uX+cVd7Wp1K45PgcU=; b=vzNnwpVKz28FbwOVfmF7ybsBoeIMj4g9oU3V5W6c3Q9uY3ZqEyMNSJ1t52keOfDUL/ PG51/JUrPhGU5T7tAO7B8xl/q/neMC0/HQB9mnzX9ybgppeunlHGFrlYh10w5sPQq0UP /HoGRafJG0QsJ3v+UTrcJxe9JYQ1kBpMQNoNM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=t8w6RvWCEu3iMnD67ug66nTqpS3RLF+uODrdZxEVOvNL385UF2xvXYr7yu6vCae5tB zhlXKTxFvov+RMXMSN9q9p/d8T0+pLWTy/oTx9LShbrYFG7yZ8GW2qnDG/NWBwGh/3YC iB4JFnWQKRlxX2TXxlFrV+npvDBmGiE83tPXk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49D88B2007AE44CA8DFB99E139111B58@mpeserver> <000c01cb5021$a9f32c20$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:33:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d6039c17713048fd3acdb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:33:26 +0000 (UTC) --0022152d6039c17713048fd3acdb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mark, THANKS ! ...but, as I said, it doesn't show on my PC... I'll try from another computer this night I'm wondering If I continue to upload songs, can I group the uploaded tracks later ? -f 2010/9/9 mark francombe > Look here! > > http://img.skitch.com/20100909-d8tjx4gqm4c941w7qd37rdrnfa.jpg > > > --0022152d6039c17713048fd3acdb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark, THANKS !
...but, as I said, it doesn't show on my PC...
I'll try from another computer this night
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I'm wondering=A0If I continue to upload songs, can I group the upl= oaded tracks later ?
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-f
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2010/9/9 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
Look here!

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--0022152d6039c17713048fd3acdb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 13:35:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0216B3BEA2; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=RjHs9TbLjNvwp+JuSEmZ/Nau6vzLgtYBo/M5Goj2hUw=; b=jrr5GaKHbgRZYGB1D6nvLZNogqrQE0dZBG8ArSwIk630FKW9B55QSEoDo9RWAG3rht JAzvSKvp3luRj/KyHaPBOLndmjrY3Gnnjm7sC1+GbHOtuZxWz/EHB3qcGARGcGdDLVeJ pQsERKiW1/L3grgooopGzNKtZUnnKpBHpTmf8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=mXTms6X3t488j+xZkCL7awwhvTpio4UIq5CJ6dPPNnlnH3FJjbcY4+R14d5F/lsuB7 MmEGoDNaGYP/lC45dfHOftlX9dpulWWGuDbT8ZYphLShq9zfvv9iqks7Q8aGpNJ8Xy5J XInd9DPEQYwON7TRr/naAgqqBotZS/M9siVp8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <49D88B2007AE44CA8DFB99E139111B58@mpeserver> <000c01cb5021$a9f32c20$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:35:06 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: F51u8X_2Uyqowho0OClz8u0f-vo Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175ca7f6eb125f048fd3b382 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:35:26 +0000 (UTC) --0015175ca7f6eb125f048fd3b382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Im sure you can... any trouble.. hell... Ill do it for you!!! m On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Fabio_A wrote: > Mark, THANKS ! > ...but, as I said, it doesn't show on my PC... > I'll try from another computer this night > > I'm wondering If I continue to upload songs, can I group the uploaded > tracks later ? > > -f > > > > > > 2010/9/9 mark francombe > >> Look here! >> >> http://img.skitch.com/20100909-d8tjx4gqm4c941w7qd37rdrnfa.jpg >> >> >> > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0015175ca7f6eb125f048fd3b382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im sure you can... any trouble.. hell... Ill do it for you!!!


m<= br>



On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:33 P= M, Fabio_A <et= erogenus@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark, THANKS= !
...but, as I said, it doesn't show on my PC...
I'll try from another computer this night
=A0
I'm wondering=A0If I continue to upload songs, can I group the upl= oaded tracks later ?
=A0
-f
=A0
=A0


=A0
2010/9/9 mark francombe <mark@markfrancomb= e.com>
Look here!
http://img.skitch.com/20100909-d8tjx4gqm4c941w7qd37rdrnfa= .jpg






--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancomb= e
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--0015175ca7f6eb125f048fd3b382-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 13:39:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A9E43BEC1; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1284039549; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=ekjJcbVsMbdxVhdrRoSr0O6RBf0=; b=oiQjHYuGPP7kmY45fKehJfCIsXWe0loDtKfd3p6DdVduSqwpLrfaN/jLXSKQgMO7 RQl2SjKSxbUva2Lenee5XNKvdi0cx+q8WM0zINLwe0IFAKUP8wD9NGB/KpkmD/IQ; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=KrcFizPo0Ecmcy0GolTWLFrfIH1QHXp7Dgf/1Vlt1Pg= c=1 sm=0 a=iD/6ivJ4D7Hv3lNKU3fayg==:17 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=t2VfTl2VWCJlBfVMAPQA:9 a=7b4S7cwclH6Roa6_igoA:7 a=e3wDx9CywyKFP73F0ms_1986v4wA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=0GXzayXv4hcA:10 a=7i8kCMR_XrVblPcRfyMA:9 a=L8pCYFBXeUNXuAa9o1gA:7 a=8-bEtSs39KYMCbSsuHF4rzu3l9QA:4 a=iD/6ivJ4D7Hv3lNKU3fayg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000e01cb5024$6167d2f0$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <49D88B2007AE44CA8DFB99E139111B58@mpeserver><000c01cb5021$a9f32c20$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:39:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01CB5002.D9E3C210" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100909-0, 09/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:39:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CB5002.D9E3C210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what browser are you using? You might try a different one or check your = browser options. Possibly java script not turned on? Is the dropdown greyed out or not there at all? interesting.. J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio_A=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:25 AM Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed Thanks for the explanation Jeff, BUT..... 2010/9/9 Jeff Duke when you are at the album page and you want to add a new song: 1) Be sure you are logged in, at the top of the page next to the the = small bc logo at the left should be stats - music - index - new track ok 2) click on new track done 3) enter track name, under that is add audio (you can do that last = after filling out the page) done 4) under that is a check box followed by "part of an album, EP, what = have you" followed by a dropdown menu. Check this box HERE IS THE PROBLEM... I've cheched it but it dosen't diplay the drop = down men=F9... So, now I'm sure that it fault of my PC hope this helps, thank you very much ! Looking forward to meet you in SC ! fabio J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio_A=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed I suspect that it is my "Windows" that doesn't display all the = options... 2010/9/9 Fabio_A 2010/9/9 Michael Peters =20 Only thing is that you have to specify the album that a song = belongs to. -Michael please tell me where... ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CB5002.D9E3C210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what browser are you using? You might = try a=20 different one or check your browser options. Possibly java script not = turned=20 on?
 
Is the dropdown greyed out or not there = at=20 all?
 
interesting..
 
J
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fabio_A=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, September 09, = 2010 9:25=20 AM
Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help = needed

Thanks for the explanation Jeff, BUT.....
 
 
2010/9/9 Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
when you are at the album page and = you want to=20 add a new song:
 
1) Be sure you are logged in, at = the top of the=20 page next to the the small bc logo at the left should be stats - = music -=20 index - new track
ok
2) click on new=20 track
done
3) enter track name, under that is = add audio=20 (you can do that last after filling out the=20 page)
done
4) under that is a check box = followed by "part=20 of an album, EP, what have you" followed by a dropdown menu. Check = this=20 box
HERE IS THE PROBLEM... I've cheched it but it dosen't diplay the = drop=20 down men=F9...
 
So, now I'm sure that it fault of my PC
 
 
hope this = helps,
 
thank you very much !
Looking forward to meet you in SC !
 
fabio
 
J
----- Original Message ----- =
From: = Fabio_A
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, September = 09, 2010=20 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help = needed

I suspect that it is my "Windows" that doesn't display all = the=20 options...
 
 
2010/9/9 Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com>
 
2010/9/9 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>=20

Only thing=20 is that you have to specify the album that a song belongs=20 to.  =20 -Michael
 
please tell me where...


------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CB5002.D9E3C210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 13:41:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F8673BECC; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C88E40A.40604@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 06:41:30 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:41:38 +0000 (UTC) "what time sig would this song be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifV5vSnbwv8&feature=related just curious..especially the verses.." Some probably already beat me to the punch, but this is in 9/4 counted as a 5/4 + 4/4 as I hear it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 13:42:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 359E13BEDD; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1ynFd4NJZ1ZXOUSnJpsVad7gNor1nkFxA1ZM9Dn2kmQ=; b=ESxiXuyxWreqQJgtjNahPu9DhHl6vaoIkBYKCBo4dhjFvyHWjP15KtJ0WWzQlbGx5T UYHsytsZQKWNKEllNIv/qNMETgIN4Aw0aQ2HAAe4AuaoswOtHdqeNZbtQAEBBpz9/Op4 rrwQ7s3q1P1EJbseVr4O2U5MgWulCF1q3KoB4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=V/bmDhksexREINPFTd7BDid2jmnIaffizbUxIRB3ZTXSM4ZOsYmetqiDZegS2qxlqs W+KYVRAvH/faNhrmqL2QxqKEyEH2N7qn9yvSNr8Y8WgVoi6sDjEK4B4ViaC79NlgBKA0 cyH7Rd4lz9IQ/hd6baf77VHyk9esnuhbCNXsw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000e01cb5024$6167d2f0$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> References: <49D88B2007AE44CA8DFB99E139111B58@mpeserver> <000c01cb5021$a9f32c20$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <000e01cb5024$6167d2f0$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:42:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636284c9a7b8f9f048fd3cbde Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:42:03 +0000 (UTC) --001636284c9a7b8f9f048fd3cbde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ** 2010/9/9 Jeff Duke > what browser are you using? > I.E. > You might try a different one or check your browser options. Possibly > java script not turned on? > *You got it* ! installing now last java update... > > Is the dropdown greyed out or not there at all? > not at all ! > > interesting.. > not so muche interesting I'll report you after installed the last java update and reboot. I'll let you know f > > J > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Fabio_A > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:25 AM > *Subject:* Re: Bandcamp: help needed > > Thanks for the explanation Jeff, BUT..... > > > 2010/9/9 Jeff Duke > >> when you are at the album page and you want to add a new song: >> >> 1) Be sure you are logged in, at the top of the page next to the the sma= ll >> bc logo at the left should be stats - music - index - new track >> > ok > >> 2) click on new track >> > done > >> 3) enter track name, under that is add audio (you can do that last afte= r >> filling out the page) >> > done > >> 4) under that is a check box followed by "part of an album, EP, what >> have you" followed by a dropdown menu. Check this box >> > HERE IS THE PROBLEM... I've cheched it but it dosen't diplay the drop dow= n > men=F9... > > So, now I'm sure that it fault of my PC > > > >> hope this helps, >> > > thank you very much ! > Looking forward to meet you in SC ! > > fabio > >> >> J >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Fabio_A >> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:43 AM >> *Subject:* Re: Bandcamp: help needed >> >> I suspect that it is my "Windows" that doesn't display all the options..= . >> >> >> 2010/9/9 Fabio_A >> >>> >>> 2010/9/9 Michael Peters >>> >>> Only thing is that you have to specify the album that a song belongs >>>> to. -Michael >>>> >>> >>> please tell me where... >>> >>>> >>> >> > --001636284c9a7b8f9f048fd3cbde Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2010/9/9 Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
what browser are you using?
=A0
I.E.
=A0
You might try a different one or check= your browser options. Possibly java script not turned on?
=A0
You got it ! installing now last java update...
=A0
Is the dropdown greyed out or not ther= e at all?
=A0
not at all !
=A0
interesting..
=A0
not so muche interesting
I'll report you after installed the last java update and reboot.
I'll let you know
=A0
f
=A0
J
=A0
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From: Fabio_A
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9= :25 AM
Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed

Thanks for the explanation Jeff, BUT.....
=A0
=A0
2010/9/9 Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
when you are at the album page and you= want to add a new song:
=A0
1) Be sure you are logged in, at the t= op of the page next to the the small bc logo at the left should be stats - = music - index - new track
ok
2) click on new track
done
3) enter track name, under that is add= audio (you can do that last after filling out the page)
=
done
4) under that is a check box followed = by "part of an album, EP, what have you" followed by a dropdown m= enu. Check this box
HERE IS THE PROBLEM... I've cheched it but it dosen't diplay t= he drop down men=F9...
=A0
So, now I'm sure that it fault of=A0my PC
=A0
=A0
hope this helps,
=A0
thank you very much !
Looking forward to meet you in SC !
=A0
fabio
=A0
J
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8= :43 AM
Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed

I suspect that it is my "Windows" that doesn't display a= ll the options...
=A0
=A0
2010/9/9 Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com= >
=A0
2010/9/9 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>=20

Only thing is that you have to specify the album that a song belongs to.=A0=A0 -Michael
=A0
please tell me where...




--001636284c9a7b8f9f048fd3cbde-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 13:43:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27DC13BEE7; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 488258343/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.211/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.211 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcBAMuAiExYbRvT/2dsb2JhbAAHk23MKIU9BI0S X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,339,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="488258343" Message-ID: <4C88E487.6020307@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:43:35 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing meter (was POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:43:33 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: mark francombe wrote: > Nearly too much, but not quite... can someone explain to me what 4:4 is > in comparison to 4:8? I always thought that the second number denoted a > crotchet, or a "beat". so I understand that 4:8 is quicker beats (er.. > minims?) 4=crotchet 8=quavers > If I play a "four on the floor" guitar chug, Im playing 4:4.. if I then > just play double speed, has the song changed meter to 4:8.. I think not...? Essentially the time signature of a piece is the most convenient one for writing it down in notation. If the notation changes from 4/4 to 4/8 then the bar lines go by twice as fast, but the music doesn't have to change at all. > And what of when people write 16:5.. ist there such a thing as a 5 as > the second number.. usually this means that the person telling you has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. It makes no sense at all to use 16/5 if that's the only time sig in the piece. I might convey something in terms of describing how one rhythm relates to another. If you were playing 16/5 over a 4/4 beat (er..just supposin') then you'd be playing with a pulse that had 5 beats within the 4/4 bar. It'd feel like you were falling behind by 1 of your beats for every 3 bars of 4/4. Then after 5 of your bars suddenly you'd be "on the one" again. Zappa did something a bit similar on Joe's Garage, where he had recordings of live guitar solos that he matched up with newly recorded backing. >what the f*** is that? you mean *u** andy Doomsnight - Azzido da Bass - Timo Maas edit a UK hit single where the waaaaaarp-waaaaaarp-waaaaaarp noise on synth repeats 5 times in 2 bars of 4/4. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 13:44:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED64D3BEF1; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1284039878; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=elKjppwsdIqhaHWZJgpTAh2MUis=; b=gfUompe2VdA38z3HCKuqGvTeLPkEWWh3tmh3r9K6S9othoVsbBSY29ma+p+Mt+j8 mto7oihWFY3GBZ3z/HVxwIBh53w6KoXPnDGnvSphDEn/FVeVR2oC8VvqJT0L2XKH; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=tQ3rdkT10jK9LrT5CV5oP/7Hc2FYgH3wAOIngcBrRR4= c=1 sm=0 a=iD/6ivJ4D7Hv3lNKU3fayg==:17 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=XmhvbsX8BcLa4R9Z7ScA:9 a=1-Tbf6KMJ51tJXRHgEUA:7 a=SkJx_d6QluZ7JayOOHLIQy4PUr0A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=0GXzayXv4hcA:10 a=rkk1Vb1f5_bF_q8EUG8A:9 a=NKnWjSL_2Nv0q0v_CAEA:7 a=eAYgEuVdZzuJNfHRKeTAWxzag3IA:4 a=iD/6ivJ4D7Hv3lNKU3fayg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <002201cb5025$25303740$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <49D88B2007AE44CA8DFB99E139111B58@mpeserver><000c01cb5021$a9f32c20$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <000e01cb5024$6167d2f0$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:44:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01CB5003.9DB80D40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100909-0, 09/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <-wZgED.A.rWH.GTOiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:44:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CB5003.9DB80D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use Firefox and when I go to "tools/options/content and uncheck = "enable javascript" the box disapears for me also. Make sure that = javascript is enabled. Probably would be similar in IE. best, J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Duke=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed what browser are you using? You might try a different one or check = your browser options. Possibly java script not turned on? Is the dropdown greyed out or not there at all? interesting.. J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio_A=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:25 AM Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed Thanks for the explanation Jeff, BUT..... 2010/9/9 Jeff Duke when you are at the album page and you want to add a new song: 1) Be sure you are logged in, at the top of the page next to the = the small bc logo at the left should be stats - music - index - new = track ok 2) click on new track done 3) enter track name, under that is add audio (you can do that last = after filling out the page) done 4) under that is a check box followed by "part of an album, EP, = what have you" followed by a dropdown menu. Check this box HERE IS THE PROBLEM... I've cheched it but it dosen't diplay the = drop down men=F9... So, now I'm sure that it fault of my PC hope this helps, thank you very much ! Looking forward to meet you in SC ! fabio J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio_A=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed I suspect that it is my "Windows" that doesn't display all the = options... 2010/9/9 Fabio_A 2010/9/9 Michael Peters =20 Only thing is that you have to specify the album that a song = belongs to. -Michael please tell me where... ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CB5003.9DB80D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I use Firefox and when I go to=20 "tools/options/content and uncheck "enable javascript" the box disapears = for me=20 also. Make sure that javascript is enabled. Probably would be similar in = IE.
 
best, J
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff=20 Duke
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, September 09, = 2010 9:39=20 AM
Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help = needed

what browser are you using? You might = try a=20 different one or check your browser options. Possibly java script not = turned=20 on?
 
Is the dropdown greyed out or not = there at=20 all?
 
interesting..
 
J
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fabio_A=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, September 09, = 2010 9:25=20 AM
Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help=20 needed

Thanks for the explanation Jeff, BUT.....
 
 
2010/9/9 Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
when you are at the album page = and you want=20 to add a new song:
 
1) Be sure you are logged in, at = the top of=20 the page next to the the small bc logo at the left should be stats = - music=20 - index - new track
ok
2) click on new=20 track
done
3) enter track name, under that = is add audio=20 (you can do that last after filling out the=20 page)
done
4) under that is a check box = followed by=20 "part of an album, EP, what have you" followed by a dropdown menu. = Check=20 this box
HERE IS THE PROBLEM... I've cheched it but it dosen't diplay = the drop=20 down men=F9...
 
So, now I'm sure that it fault of my PC
 
 
hope this=20 helps,
 
thank you very much !
Looking forward to meet you in SC !
 
fabio
 
J
----- Original Message ----- =
From: Fabio_A
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, September = 09, 2010=20 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Bandcamp: = help=20 needed

I suspect that it is my "Windows" that doesn't display all = the=20 options...
 
 
2010/9/9 Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com>
 
2010/9/9 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>=20

Only=20 thing is that you have to specify the album that a song = belongs=20 to.  =20 -Michael
 
please tell me where...


------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CB5003.9DB80D40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 13:52:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B49F3BF06; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C88E6AF.9050800@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 06:52:47 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Fabio wrote: "Yesterday night I was thinking the subject of this discussion is not theoretically correct. Here we are talking about "Polymeter", "Polyrhythm" or "Changing meter", as it is the same stuff. Songs like "Solsbury Hill", Money or 21st Century Schizoid Man are just using odd time signatures or changing meters: that's neither polymeter, neither polyrhythm..." Yes, Fabio, you are correct but with an explanation. Thinks like Solsbury Hill are merely Odd Time Signatures, but it is possible to use different groupings of notes, 2s, 3s, 4s, 5s, 6s, 7s, 8s, 9s, etc. to create very long Polyrhythmic structures. It is just that juxtaposing these rhythms takes such a long time that is not possible for human beings to hear them simultaneously in the case of simple polyrhythms like 3 against 4 or 4 against 5. If I play in 84/8 as an example, then I can get polyrhythmic pulses that occur equally in 3, 4 and 7 against each other in much the same way that 12/8 allows simultaneously even polyrhythmic pulses in 2, 3, 4 and 6 I think any serious discussion of polyrhthyms and polymeters, however, naturally brings up the subject of odd time signatures which is why I didn't trip out on the conversation's accuracy to much. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 13:56:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B32AA3BF05; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qDbdwMQbXW4BsgeY11276J98K6yPh0n68igyH05WBKs=; b=agUZ6xx5MHW7hA3O5hO4VNikAd8O0YFUL430+7LdiWXrGYZoOyr+w+90AHRX2YE8pX zG+IsI78D2nl7LUQ0aLG+LuaMVzuwj5JUpM0dhOKGLdYGXjySMwOR1db404Ypa1JDEG9 WcZiNakIjc7dxIKXtTwaZi6dn2714srkYgFOE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=M/hbjA4f7xHdNOcvdRuajuRcfsMSccCUKSijnmzidLODXzRGrSrs3BcfcvDNAMX6my UNVcXJ+sCuqnApQWBUg0bqQ7nhTWl3E4ey0rTmREqjzn/4fV3uFlJYhPQmDtFY1Jm2g5 7MM3YiT9H8LU+EfNsZChBw7KmGvDqS8yMwOIg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7641B178148944E98A3F894F8BB9D04F@NORBY11> References: <4C88120E.7050007@cruzio.com> <0ADB6990F6624025AC374EDA8143748A@NORBY11> <7641B178148944E98A3F894F8BB9D04F@NORBY11> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:56:58 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:56:59 +0000 (UTC) 2010/9/9 Toby G : > They may not get distracted but they will count beats/pulses incorrectly. > > t the trick was that being 29 beats each bar, you have to concentrate counting. which is not so difficult, but you *have to be really* counting each beat to sum the total amount of silent bars. otherwise, if you write 7*(4/4)+1/4, people gets comfortable seeing that *common* seven 4/4 bars and thinking they can rest and catch the time line later... which not always happen ;) > once, attending to a composition workshop led by orlando jacinto > garc=EDa (who studied with morton feldman) i asked him why he was using > *really* odd meters like 29/4 and left intentionally in silence a > bunch of bars for some parts ... i couldn't figure out how somebody > could count that at first sight or why he was not using more > efficiently the meter tool, but he told me that that was the only way > he had found to make the performers count silent bars and don't get > distracted :) > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 14:17:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C67863BF1F; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:17:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4Z4y56wwpOcSjCD0hmJxHpLOQUS169Aw9LwIU3OProM=; b=eLY/3dJQGYl2Sfb5hzzEcObOpuXRV2mY7OczSKwqOnEkFvGubYpOJTFazOT8XPW5xV yTlRaLhbscpbusAB+v/ouyduARpidwHAEGB1Hj0mZD5A80fLrqKkhFm3ZLaQKl7vVlTC kMX08Np/1Lmb1Tk+TXtMzNtYOrNIWwjDhaPN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Usyhp99n5qrNIkPUEqfO3kv2eydb//psPNZzxtAhmNFGGBUCvrTq8Zi0dldLvCgOoq R5I/LP9VsG8S/SsmnTpWP5x0bEyY6fo5soY59UEUzKlTXfWnPvjKS5Hy80Ekc0m/Qhbx bPQ1oqPh1TM3pgfvFvt8kZVgDbqn+42ZJUlrc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <002201cb5025$25303740$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> References: <49D88B2007AE44CA8DFB99E139111B58@mpeserver> <000c01cb5021$a9f32c20$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <000e01cb5024$6167d2f0$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <002201cb5025$25303740$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:17:47 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd29cf665f933048fd44bad Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:17:48 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd29cf665f933048fd44bad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Java is enabled, java upgrade is istalled, PC was rebooted but I still can do that on THIS computer. Since it's a collaborative album wiht Per, he's doing that for me *Thanks all !* As usual this list is very helpful and I'm proud to be here. -fabio --000e0cd29cf665f933048fd44bad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--000e0cd29cf665f933048fd44bad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 14:21:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CA853BF27; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C88ED4F.9090306@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 07:21:03 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing meter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Mark asked: "Nearly too much, but not quite... can someone explain to me what 4:4 is in comparison to 4:8? I always thought that the second number denoted a crotchet, or a "beat". so I understand that 4:8 is quicker beats (er.. minims?)" My understanding is that time signatures do not denote tempo. So, theoretically, you could have a 4/4 where the quarter note equals 120 bpm write next to a 4/8 measure where the eight note equals 120 bpm (as long as the tempi are indicated over each bar) but in practise it is common to to juxtapose a 4/4 measure with a 7/8 measure and assume that the 8th note retains the same speed in each measure. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mark also asked: "And what of when people write 16:5.. ist there such a thing as a 5 as the second number.. what the f*** is that?" Technically speaking, in western music, there is no such time signature as 16/5. To write something like this, you would have to write it in 16/4 but use quintuplets (a group of five 1/2,1/4, 1/8 , 1/16 or 1/32 notes with a 5 bracketing depending on which subdivision you want divided into 5 equal notes. This is a common mistake made in notation. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mark also asked: "Also, is the meter a descriptor of how the notes loop?" Technically speaking (and I had this definition wrong for AGES!!!!! Meter merely refers to the time signature. There is, astonishingly, no technical music term in western notation that I've ever run into that refers to the pulses that define a 'groove' I finally have settle on the term 'sub pulses' to explain this rhythmic paradigm. And when I say 'sub pulses' I don't necessarily mean the lowest common note value either, because you can have a fast ska tune that has 8th notes as a 'sub pulse' but has embellishments in 16th notes that don't effect the movement or the feel of the 'groove' of the tune. This is probably because the whole notion of 'groove' came into Western Classical music with the music of the African Diaspora (blues, swing, rock, various Caribbean styles) in the early 20th century. (and, later, with musics from Africa and the Middle East (other musics have this sensibility too but either they didn't impact Western musical culture very deeply or they were, themselves, influenced by the spread of African rhythms, notably, through the rapid spread of Islam on the planet) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mark said: " In polyrhythm 2 or more musical lines are superimposed, and indeed the clicks in you video are also poly rhythmic, but is that RHYTHM? Of course, it's rhythm. It may just not be a rhythm that you are sophisticated enough to hear, and, by this, I mean that anyone can hear as a human being. I, myself, am fascinated by the concept of 'smears' of notes.............numerous notes that are so close together that they 'read' as a single rhythmic event. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mark also asked: " I can play a 5 note looping riff, OVER a 4:4 beat, and that track is in 4:4, the fact that the notes revolve and dont come back the same way round for a few bars is just a melody played in a 4:4 song is it not? " Well, yes and no, really. When one plays the polyrhythm 4 against 5, one can listen to the 5 pulse (with the 4 pulse as a 'syncopation' against it) or the 4 pulse (with the 5 pulse as a syncopation against it--- a much easier thing for us to hear due to the commonality of 4/4 rhythms) or one can hear what I refer to as the Linear Rhythm.............the combined syncopative of both rhythms combined............. it's 'melody', if you will. All three auditory phenomena are occurring simultaneously, but we are only able , as human beings to hear one of the three at a time. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Whew!!! That took a while to type. I wonder if anyone read this far.............lol From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 14:21:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 685133BF30; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Ia+1SOWWvl+4xWPFYI4MFdRHB7VyIKgfCI9QgSRz5ug=; b=vD3awvHLNbMOZZOaQwu7Eb5lYW52apODW6xRPgxpiYLJiKDQwes7djgb8u6zbue4Fg qvhVqAF1NQSJfF7zf5y9uIwbxapXLPwapYJnrjgPBy9zPZ8I4zelPKJiRIpZa51XZS0l DCr56RBHk/AkpAD07zblt0p9wLyFHmEu4Azbw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=WGDLX4iCKLwSxb/Ggk7r+DyjzQPpewAO1/JwyGujbrFWwZELRrzv3Uoewtlf2bojGo 0KNSHU8UkK71jllW4Eqo5Lm1PckTpZ2SjKDD9RKse94HQpVEuxF5DeJxmo5GrOOdfIsl Tc2JOpSCWzaNA4AojJy2sxN0nuyQpxt0TPmrU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:21:03 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tbblm6GvAVACaP_YGqu64Lqctxg Message-ID: Subject: midi signal dissapearing... To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d2e314022d7048fd45828 Resent-Message-ID: <1sn2E.A._X.k1OiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:21:24 +0000 (UTC) --0016364d2e314022d7048fd45828 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have a couple of midi merge boxes like this one: http://www.shreveaudio.com/midiman/merge2x2.jpg Now both work fine, I know this cos a little light comes on if I use them on their own, but NOW, in a slightly new arrangement, I need to send the midi from one box INTO the other, for some reason the second one doesnt get the midi, (no light). Now Ive never had to use a PSU cable with them before, but is that it? That the power from midi is being used up on the first box so it cant power the second? So if I power the FIRST box, will the second box be able to power itself from the incoming midi? The reason? well the second box lives in my pedalboard, and I dont want ANOTHER wall wart there (for some reason it hasnt got a standard Boss style socket, looks the same but bigger.. grrrr) mark PS; What on earth does everyone on this list do for a living, I suddenly realised that Ive got a whole program to export from FCP, thats 30 video clips, and I havent done anything today, just waffling on LD!!! better get back to work! -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016364d2e314022d7048fd45828 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a couple of midi merge boxes like this one:
http://www.shreveaudio.com/midiman/m= erge2x2.jpg

Now both work fine, I know this cos a little light c= omes on if I use them on their own, but NOW, in a slightly new arrangement,= I need to send the midi from one box INTO the other, for some reason the s= econd one doesnt get the midi, (no light).

Now Ive never had to use a PSU cable with them before, but is that it? = That the power from midi is being used up on the first box so it cant power= the second?

So if I power the FIRST box, will the second box be abl= e to power itself from the incoming midi? The reason? well the second box l= ives in my pedalboard, and I dont want ANOTHER wall wart there (for some re= ason it hasnt got a standard Boss style socket, looks the same but bigger..= grrrr)


mark

PS; What on earth does everyone on this l= ist do for a living, I suddenly realised that Ive got a whole program to ex= port from FCP, thats 30 video clips, and I havent done anything today, just= waffling on LD!!! better get back to work!


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--0016364d2e314022d7048fd45828-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 14:21:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA31F3BF3F; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:21:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter X-Originating-Ip: 12.232.29.12 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100909142124.6497E4FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Hello, I'd like to point out that the choice of time signatures is purely one of a= practical nature. You can take a song like "Norweigin Wood" by the Beatles= , & write it in 3/4 or 6/8 or 12/8 or even 300/8 if you want to. However, t= he choice is obviously what works for whoever has to read the music. I have= always played & thought of this song in 3/4 as it's simply easier to think= in a simple time signature rather than something like 12/8 or the ridiculo= us 300/8. The choice of time signature involves considering what the variou= s lines are going to read as. Putting a melody made up of, say, quarter not= es & using 12/8 means you end up counting across a huge measure, rather tha= n simply counting in 3/4 & having the notes of the melody easily fall withi= n individual measures. Keep in minf I'm refering here to "Norweigan Wood". = Also keep in mind that there is no absolute "feel" or "rythm" or "groove" a= ssociated with any time signature, even though traditionally some types of = music may be written in a usual time signature i.e. a "waltz" is almost alw= ays written in 3/4 or 3/8 etc. You can write a "waltz" in 4/4 if you want (= like my mother playing "Moon River" in 4/4 ), & just make it feel like a "= waltz" using hemiola. Not traditional but it can be done, but it would be a= bsolute hell to have to read.=20 I agree with Fabio that none of this discussion really involves poly-anythi= ng, so if this discussion is to continue, how about a better definition of = what poly____ (fill in blank with rythm or time signature or whatever) so e= veryone can get a clear idea of what we are discussinig. >=20 > Fabio wrote: > "Yesterday night I was thinking the subject of this discussion is=20 > not theoretically correct. > Here we are talking about "Polymeter", "Polyrhythm" or "Changing=20 > meter", as it is the same stuff. Songs like "Solsbury Hill", Money=20 > or 21st Century Schizoid Man are just using odd time signatures or=20 > changing meters: that's neither polymeter, neither polyrhythm..." >=20 >=20 > Yes, Fabio, you are correct but with an explanation. >=20 > Thinks like Solsbury Hill are merely Odd Time Signatures, > but it is possible to use different groupings of notes, 2s, 3s,=20 > 4s, 5s, 6s, 7s, 8s, 9s, etc. > to create very long Polyrhythmic structures. It is just that=20 > juxtaposing these rhythms > takes such a long time that is not possible for human beings to hear them > simultaneously in the case of simple polyrhythms like 3 against 4=20=20 > or 4 against 5. >=20 > If I play in 84/8 as an example, then I can get polyrhythmic=20 > pulses that occur > equally in 3, 4 and 7 against each other in much the same way > that 12/8 allows simultaneously even polyrhythmic pulses in 2, 3, 4 and 6 >=20 > I think any serious discussion of polyrhthyms and polymeters,=20 > however, naturally > brings up the subject of odd time signatures which is why I didn't=20 > trip out on the > conversation's accuracy to much. > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 14:34:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 953173BF07; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=yNSaxEE44K0YRS1QOo/27cdlmr1gr4E8qJAsbzFQklk=; b=IrAauyI38litWlFhk9x+76RGcSCftbgN6fFcq2bJSyqzxMNaADW0RQ+efvc9OR5G1k 6tRC7aQXPk8elGKgBk0KXxsL7mMNVqph8SzFL5VCGSIcqE9m3FevvnYcoWkIiZHGAz4m 6xojrJOE3cS+gRKxeEWjpquUIPVrfZXYbjJIA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=TIsfPtVNpfKNPYI5Jih6QNwwcSuNiRVqaqakwYKSevy3If7PwLbgeVa/GsPmKvflAL V2Xpt2iErJ3p0szOURvupMvTCBGvApPkH8VsLLD6CjVtqy10jUfJowpzrw8gxJ8J9N3w OtpAYZ1/LiqQYujlTKl3Gies72nleYwOIJTlU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C88ED4F.9090306@cruzio.com> References: <4C88ED4F.9090306@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:33:57 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ud38tMHOiPLcY8Ih-xGzj5elU2s Message-ID: Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing meter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d2e31757746048fd486c3 Resent-Message-ID: <3-BBoC.A.bq.rBPiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:34:19 +0000 (UTC) --0016364d2e31757746048fd486c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I wonder if anyone read this far.............lol I did! I wish I understood more... its the numbers, being dyslexic means I get a bit fuzzy in the head... All I know is that drum loops where you retrigger them at beat 9 are my favorites, and that if I run one loop at 9 cycles against another thats running 5..that sounds great too! And if you add all those numbers together you get 23, that strange re-occurring number that pops up too much! (See William Burroughs and Jim Carey) -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016364d2e31757746048fd486c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
I wonder if anyone read this far.............lol

I did!
I wish I understood more... its the numbers, being dyslexic means I ge= t a bit fuzzy in the head...

All I know is that drum loops where yo= u retrigger them at beat 9 are my favorites, and that if I run one loop at = 9 cycles against another thats running 5..that sounds great too!

And if you add all those numbers together you get 23, that strange re-o= ccurring number that pops up too much! (See William Burroughs and Jim Carey= )





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--0016364d2e31757746048fd486c3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 14:52:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDC953BEFF; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C88F48F.8070005@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 07:51:59 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Mark Showalter wrote: " You can take a song like "Norweigin Wood" by the Beatles, & write it in 3/4 or 6/8 or 12/8 or even 300/8" I see your point, Mark, it's a really good one in most cases, but I don't agree completely in this particular case. Here's my understanding: I would contend that Norwegian Wood is a Waltz, and, as such it should be written in 3/4 (or 3/8, or for the sake of argument 3/64)..........the point being that the natural subdivision is in groups of three. My understanding of the distinction between 3/4 and 6/8 is that 6/8 naturally subdivides into two groups of 3 but with the emphasis on the 6 notes figure. If "Norwegian Wood" had a backbeat on beat 4 of the 6/8, then I would agree with you and would NOT write it in 3/4 which does not have a similar rhythmic feel. This is what distinguishes a lot of Doo Wop tunes from more traditional Waltzes: the backbeat clearly delineates the midpoint in a 6 note figure. I would contend it is wrong to write it in 12/8 or 300/8 or maybe wrong is the wrong word.............let's just say it is unnecessarily obfuscating to do so. Your mom can write a rhythm in 3 as a hemiola in 4 but that is NOT how it is felt by the listener so I would say she is just goofing and trying to be a bit of a whimsical devils' advocate by doing so. But, seriously, I want to be respectful in my disagreement. It's tiny compared to the agreement I feel in most situations with what you write. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 14:57:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A33513BF23; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5BW42zvikgCn+eLxhA/OA2luO63MjeHdYATx3VupYLc=; b=Vq6BjGOQEiZGax13xrHys5Gp2tzkt9zY6uaHjK5889s3RARwLqHXiX04yrGDUsjQGK Z+z6kwD1K+nX8jrhmh+vBiUD9tWrCMLfRnorikfKdVN7kRSSvQWq3XXwyOZLTbjblboe VnjHOkrPG+Dh/2fhQtusKFDei90zF9e5Jjajs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cEK8ktU0ZvM19PDDQhJ+rAzdMy8UpYo/c5y18Me+1+OZV8KvqShOnFFCoOX61FIFzL C2OFBjVAt4nDcF1E5NzR7F3eDSMJGUqpssRJdJ5XG4owodKaJtw7HRqbjjzMMBx4cltD ubGxQQkFU/RA+5JKk2au29q6NxXuoZjTHZ9po= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C88ED4F.9090306@cruzio.com> References: <4C88ED4F.9090306@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:57:29 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing meter From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:57:31 +0000 (UTC) it's difficult for me to write about this techy english , i've studied this in spanish, but there i go ... sorry. 2010/9/9 Rick Walker : > =A0Mark asked: > "Nearly too much, but not quite... can someone explain to me what 4:4 is = in > comparison to 4:8? I always thought that the second number denoted a > crotchet, or a "beat". so I understand that 4:8 is quicker beats (er.. > minims?)" > > My understanding is that time signatures do not denote tempo. =A0So, > theoretically, > you could have a 4/4 where the quarter note equals 120 bpm write next to = a > 4/8 measure where the eight note equals 120 bpm (as long as the tempi are > indicated > over each bar) =A0but in practise it actually, in modern times, there's no difference. bpm rulez. but *before*, a 4/8 was double the speed of a 4/4. that was the original concept. > is common to to juxtapose a 4/4 measure with a 7/8 measure and assume > that the 8th note retains the same speed in each measure. true. if not additional tempo marks (figure A =3D figure B, figure A =3D new tempo) when changing meters. each figure retains its speed regardless the new meter. > Mark also asked: > "And what of when people write 16:5.. ist there such a thing as a 5 as th= e > second number.. what the f*** is that?" > > Technically speaking, in western music, there is no such time signature a= s > 16/5. > To write something like this, =A0you would have to write it in 16/4 =A0bu= t use > quintuplets > (a group of five 1/2,1/4, 1/8 , 1/16 or 1/32 notes with a 5 bracketing > depending > on which subdivision you want divided into 5 equal notes. > > This is a common mistake made in notation. but it's possible and correct to write meters with denominators not in base= 2. check whiskypedia ... > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Mark also asked: > "Also, is the meter a descriptor of how the notes loop?" > > Technically speaking (and I had this definition wrong for AGES!!!!! > Meter merely refers to the time signature. > > There is, astonishingly, =A0 no technical music term in western notation = that > I've > ever run into that refers to the =A0pulses that define a 'groove' > I finally have settle on the term 'sub pulses' =A0to explain this rhythmi= c > paradigm. > > And when I say 'sub pulses' I don't necessarily mean the lowest common no= te > value either, =A0because you can have a fast ska tune that has 8th notes = as a > 'sub pulse' =A0 but has embellishments in 16th notes that don't effect th= e > movement or the feel of the 'groove' of the tune. > > This is probably because the whole notion of 'groove' came into Western > Classical music > with the music of the African Diaspora (blues, swing, rock, various > Caribbean styles) in > the early 20th century. > (and, later, =A0with musics from Africa and the Middle East (other musics= have > this sensibility too but either they didn't impact Western musical cultur= e > very deeply or they were, themselves, influenced by the spread of African > rhythms, notably, through the rapid spread of Islam on the planet) yes. no term for that except articulations but... western classical music implied those *inherent* accents into bars, so to speak. let's see if i can manage to explain this: 2/4=3D+/-/+/-... 3/4=3D+/-/--/+/-/--... 4/4=3D++/-/+/-/++/-/+/-... then, if you want to defy/modify that, you use accents, articulation symbols above notes, that *basically* are, from softest to hardest: 1) plain note 2) this "-" above ... 3) then this ">" 4) and the hardest, "^" but contemporary (of these times) composers refuse the idea of that "inherent" accentuation of each meter, and just tell you by means of articulations where the strong beat goes. uff! --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 15:02:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EA573BF1C; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oCV59s5BqN34leHq5cYYDZGFrIqJXfFtqkvxikWpFME=; b=CRvfH7YXoBcJ4VIZi28l2hMiFNDn2ADPhlnH/fnzKUl9h5loyRkglGPfYkwg9eTiXu kTRDXEPqU+v7XdV+PApvIl9/Jh8SVwPhMQyx9TPbTw5z8cNtbRVWv0AJ7dEKjTGlnDZt XV066L5uQIlCb1hN4BiS0Pou8RwwekhcpVK9I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=D2Hw9i9pj9EmRjsFBVjUp1UrY4IAT/YfwU9R6lB7k9zNwlgjE3esOfKhiS5rcfTulm 3/wP5NMkGGCYTBlo7clvJFhQSdZNDbYbMkJasOqn4gl2SngCGkwC53NSO2q4nEOt9R2T L4/5HPg/zT7sCGP4JUYsSVpipjN0CNrrhE1do= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C88ED4F.9090306@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:02:20 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing meter From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:21 +0000 (UTC) 2010/9/9 mark francombe : > And if you add all those numbers together you get 23, that strange > re-occurring number that pops up too much! (See William Burroughs and Jim > Carey) ah! also, robert anton wilson and austin osman spare. :)) > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 15:13:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9A8B3BF34; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3DKEGF9B0nQf1p4S9HM/6ufj3joMuUqJqM/9qTH3608=; b=hScD5J+CG2lL4D8WFebSZAqCV5ZWEUYj+GN51Z6BdOxJjeEiK6nHtrDtYZ/rjwzHAz MPD+TKH2yiIkS5wCj6ubXzVKbSsxf7nFTj0BJeZ8MM+qkXQVyVUukiDFs51LdHmA+IZG X6GaWctTeHFTbH3cXXk44f5bCPmXlvJHNd7cw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aKM6JHUYy2c6Ad1bShp2N8umfWnVxtGScFbwvU1jDOe/8qkR26O+a5daRb6NX84cqF /EWriPeGAcxf59WQbhf64si4KPUzibLOIoI9MffZtYv5Y3+l0BROoGj5O6sKUEtZ1aHf wYRYCcFQtY6FyJcTir8AdrpgcgneLI+KQoI0Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C88F48F.8070005@cruzio.com> References: <4C88F48F.8070005@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:13:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:13:27 +0000 (UTC) rick's approach is right, since it makes things easier to read by putting strong beats at its place. making reading easier is the first goal when choosing "the" correct meter. basically, you can't choose a meter with ternary(?) subdivision of the beat, we call them "compuesto", to substitute a binary subdivided one, called "simple". 2010/9/9 Rick Walker : > =A0Mark Showalter wrote: > " > > You can take a song like "Norweigin Wood" by the Beatles, > & =A0write it in 3/4 or 6/8 or 12/8 or even 300/8" > > > I see your point, =A0Mark, it's a really good one in most cases, > but I don't agree completely in this particular case. > > Here's my understanding: > > I would contend that Norwegian Wood is a Waltz, and, as such > it should be written in 3/4 (or 3/8, or for the sake of argument > 3/64)..........the point being that the natural subdivision > is in groups of three. > > My understanding of the distinction between 3/4 and 6/8 > is that 6/8 naturally subdivides into two groups of 3 but > with the emphasis on the 6 notes figure. > > If "Norwegian Wood" had a backbeat on beat 4 of the 6/8, > then I would agree with you and would NOT write it in 3/4 > which does not have a similar rhythmic feel. > > This is what distinguishes a lot of Doo Wop tunes from > more traditional Waltzes: =A0the backbeat clearly delineates the > midpoint in a 6 note figure. > > I would contend it is wrong to write it in 12/8 or 300/8 > or maybe wrong is the wrong word.............let's just > say it is unnecessarily obfuscating to do so. > > > Your mom can write a rhythm in 3 as a hemiola in 4 but > that is NOT how it is felt by the listener so I would say > she is just goofing and trying to be a bit of a whimsical > devils' advocate by doing so. > > But, seriously, =A0I want to be respectful in my disagreement. > It's tiny compared to the agreement I feel in most situations > with what you write. > > > > > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 16:02:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70F153BE8E; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:02:25 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <4C875654.9010408@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <20100909160225.197170@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> <4C875654.9010408@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Abelton Live question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19s6CQEL3xs3DUEC82d4JCRcPRC1EiJTlNfxNoT4w +EYlTpNZeuPWkr6jQosq8m9M0vOCn9nAaC4w== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: cGz8fzF4ODB6dcN6iGVMUlg9Ji9SWpKe X-FuHaFi: 0.66000000000000003 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Well, what else do you think - besides 1U in rack ;-) - doesn't work with Mobius? See, Andy: There were so many things "not possible" (i.e. feedback on RC-50), still found a work-around. So, I'd be curious to know ;-) Buzap > > > Buzap said... > > Not so optimistic about the loop window, but I think you can achieve > > pretty much everything else with Mobius. > > > > but he doesn't mean "everything else possible with the edp" of course > > andy > -- GMX DSL SOMMER-SPECIAL: Surf & Phone Flat 16.000 für nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 16:22:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4D083BF05; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=wod9hcA5AAAA:8 a=I2jXFS1_xrkvGH8Glv0A:9 a=jplnwYIB9Au1tsEdjxwA:7 a=HKwLFMPsyqaMdE_A_m4tEeJTgtEA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=zaMPjcxdHi0A:10 Message-ID: <20100909122243.EWRLY.5581952.root@mp15> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:22:43 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kim's memorial Cc: William Walker In-Reply-To: <45944BE6-A0F5-4B15-82A1-E39FC6F1C739@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 68.118.35.162 by ssomail.charter.net; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:22:43 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <8t72dB.A.FOD.UnQiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Bill, Thanks for writing up something about Kim's memorial for the list. I have been slammed with work since then and (insensitive lazy butt that I am) I let it slide. It was good to exchange a few words with Violet and Kim's parents. I'm sure they will be feeling the loss for a long time. But Kim lives on in his legacy here at Loopers Delight and in the EDP he helped create. It was great to drive down from Oregon and hang with you, Rick and you lovely wives as well. See you in October (I hope). Best, Ted ---- William Walker wrote: ============= I have been so busy and so much in my own world lately that I forgot to share my experience attending Kim's memorial, August 14th. Ted killian, Rick and I attended the memorial at the Lawrence Hall of Science high in the berkley hills. We arrive painfully late due to work commitments, but were able to meet and interact a bit with members of his family and friends. It was completely fogged in with a strong steady wind, very eire when one ventured outside, as if the spirits were hurtling past you. It was good to connect however briefly and share some experiences with Kim's mom and dad, and there was even some levity at the end with people playing with the interactive exhibits, the highlight for me being a ride on the roller coaster simulator. Later we repaired to a favorite bar of Kim's and Violets to share a few beers and listen to the house band play, and cover Wish You Were Here in Kim's honor. There were no dry eyes in the party. I hope everyone will buy a copy of Violet's download if you haven't already, she is trying to keep this great site going and needs our help. bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 16:28:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ED9C3BF16; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date :x-mailer; bh=cZG9i0qmtCb1NiT4q501/8GvaUcT4tZTwz8AVaqyvp0=; b=Qd67e7Ts5lqflZO1XmMRFGCQgtfG3DTJNaA92DfYF3LB7hIFV/rG5N5igJ4+18aI62 L3dF1GPyIs4FnimkcT/UUdjaAEF7v06zoo7Wh+lhn8l2Zv/hr9NjG3AttzIE7/iQ5dze TREgzoGbUVUtzfDlJdanzuep8U8H+3PllO/Pc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; b=lvH9V5y1Q1PwFOlYZKl1mkl926j2MhmDrYcyTf7NYzy0otD3QBL+4vpH/LjtOpLgkE QnS+aMEh3UAJ/UA8gT+lfN7mBAmsT31URYICrxXX8ujrt1HERZBxMx/VjYgH2+91osX5 6b3CaLHjJjd0V1BsQ9xlB4SqNKm6DrB4S7Ah0= Message-Id: From: Jean-Luc THOMAS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: remove from the list Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:28:23 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Can you remove me from the list please. This forum is realy intresting but too much messages each day. i'm going on tour and I won't have time to read all the message. So please remove me. Have good music. Jean-luc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 16:30:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 984433BF02; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 441524.48976.bm@omp120.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284049832; bh=g8jGgELSVAhVQJ6Y6tvYutjMJPJyriSELEOIVbxX3io=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OPHXVgVq6wCgNiGD4qZ7F786YMQaKvdfQFJ2M8XNjVuVdbNOAkCfPD5HF6krxxQMIFkgWBZ7Hs1et3iir11Vw2Kk8ILtF8+2uneWHtwf3U+AlJO9IfGHmISqSeWZGeWzOVuz4gpfFJK4J9cJk5+Y5HUVGB2KhnwnqB/XSWuDcQM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vqKYNRuGNGnEix+wrwqH2/NqlgedEiwOjraYxGuh0NtRtUzGhGSVFPjp9Y/anA4Uv8qTItICTslmCK6god+T0DXiK5hSD4EmMzX13bDE4JgDVscNmTMwMHvcI8+46Ll2srWFui4M3fUWgf6vehaax6Qc2qleMs5RtZQMVV6pRoA=; Message-ID: <102358.91717.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OnfhyiEVM1lE.HSRcHONauSjsTUMLRqyrZ9wpK3QxhoVmL8 XSdF_7_WRcCzsor95Kezh64ELlZXOgjRbBF.BN8UvQMThccWZ5siqO6FwmE2 LSeMMovs88gf.2wYqtgn9sZctVPf80OlRHjG3fY.GS.e7Nb3bHQucmXxmfAz 568LDtNaUXjSoWvsmuvZAB5X4ErcKTwVIg2dzYo_EZ.QhA6epdJFVB9236ow dbU7Rwsdu3YCCzoUsaD6lM9jRyr4RDYht0soEzPnCIkiPYy7Dg3WxAc1GPM8 _1ydsQUfesg60csG.HGYmFjP0g65pwwTD30caF71YZe_._os0ZjNN5z4bayX ZFzknHWMakT1RGyRvviInqK0jDSY- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:30:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: remove from the list To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Where will you bevtouring anywhere close to Geneva? Antony H Sent from my iPhone On 2010-09-09, at 18:28, Jean-Luc THOMAS wrote: Hello, Can you remove me from the list please. This forum is realy intresting but too much messages each day. i'm going on tour and I won't have time to read all the message. So please remove me. Have good music. Jean-luc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 16:42:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CDF63BEF1; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=SyiJAxR3NVJy/5g6bE1bmo88GC5bGAAfJ33rfDitS1U=; b=yAIEjFVWbZkPOnMwpShlvleEC7mLILLwXPHMSmsNnWu/SqhgbbecrWjAq3D9hjtzCt Qh7nHdxEWhmXqIDb/foSCPq/zTQuQVEeHbx4jJYTW6d652UhZcpcxe+OVH7qsh250NQm 1DgDegwSS7DMcx8WbS+vAQV4kg9eN3/V21Z7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=DCRMSb+rJjUAKiZqna9+P2QEnoCs50J7/KAl6G59KIf3TAVWm9I+BK7dUi24pQneE5 vXdM52yHvn8W94YdF+y3lia8b5+C2U/uKjLSMOBtSQ0lyu/GYafhLJ4oBAbsG3N3Dyu/ fq2HtiXCrR/WOmYDqzpH4lhPbOKLIFkkRwLts= Message-Id: <4545C731-C774-4CBA-9FD7-69D051E94EC1@gmail.com> From: Jean-Luc THOMAS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <102358.91717.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: remove from the list Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:42:33 +0200 References: <102358.91717.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:42:39 +0000 (UTC) I don't know! no plans actually. Sorry. Jean-Luc. Le 9 sept. 10 =E0 18:30, Antony Hequet a =E9crit : > Where will you bevtouring anywhere close to Geneva? > Antony H > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2010-09-09, at 18:28, Jean-Luc THOMAS =20= > wrote: > > Hello, > Can you remove me from the list please. This forum is realy =20 > intresting but too much messages each day. i'm going on tour and I =20 > won't have time to read all the message. So please remove me. > Have good music. > Jean-luc. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 16:44:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5FC23BF02; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 75707.40098.bm@omp105.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284050654; bh=CPx5a/U3bncCTrQDI/KLF7CsQP5x1mJg3kPYPU4CYG8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RcDbzi+txHUNLxqWGqavwIT5X1zHTiHXxTTi3Vyw0kSExXpGNyYCSc45RjFORm9j8nHz2+L4E+WGw8Fx6r4VuyuxDtnSZWIxedrZg0Gnxo2gROJtsb4cFY4DgNaF4wwpQL611wOucJh2egobea3aUykExYQPC1KVlv3kcubQTfQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hMBxRJRPkpT2OdfqBI5j6/6SjBJbRbVmzNxvaG09Vmm7vR6gZxHRqLnTTsjZ+0w8dpBOqGE4bNv4HCQHcql+x/9WE7tFYctNtWMa9gqCDSk1EHlD0NiaRZ1YB96sovu6YGBy6UAP9umsth/qGWBJp6LXAYKxU1YY5gCyZuHYApY=; Message-ID: <947399.74212.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: HFgt8Y0VM1kiLlC_36B0ro5id1htiZq0KcJJxCCzUev52Pe rbsujYOnuRcRZxuK4J6MzsyLOauLjQP5BCrVuck.6R54CBWBMgQi2fn0XNWy AfvxBVvsfJdTFn2q4kU4FmFVR0YfeWlwChdB98paQsRC_lSE7NrTSoxYDz6q y0PCeqi411tRyuMDtplT8aiK7bbs4zDQUYXWsxSj50y29DLr7M5.aQG7b4SP bLk6CghUrc4zRQHHm66djY0RXcfP2HiKCFCe1IMLPxq.RM1Zusa7uRrklIQF bdoQLxVTpe2kfizbYFnKjsNitSyMTjl_7I1OG6yU5CaB1zuDoLqt3plfSQA- - X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 09:44:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: remove from the list To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <82ybL.A.IwD.f7QiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Let me know if youvare near Geneva or Lyon=0Aantonyhequet@yahoo.com=0A=0ASe= nt from my iPhone=0A=0AOn 2010-09-09, at 18:42, Jean-Luc THOMAS wrote:=0A=0AI don't know! no plans actually.=0ASorry.=0AJea= n-Luc.=0ALe 9 sept. 10 =E0 18:30, Antony Hequet a =E9crit :=0A=0AWhere will= you bevtouring anywhere close to Geneva?=0AAntony H=0A=0ASent from my iPho= ne=0A=0AOn 2010-09-09, at 18:28, Jean-Luc THOMAS = wrote:=0A=0AHello,=0ACan you remove me from the list please. This forum is= realy intresting but too much messages each day. i'm going on tour and I w= on't have time to read all the message. So please remove me.=0AHave good mu= sic.=0AJean-luc.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 16:46:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16EF63BF06; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 491355924/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.211/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.211 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBACesiExYbRvT/2dsb2JhbAAHgxLNSpFRgSKDJ3QEjRI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,340,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="491355924" Message-ID: <4C890F62.6010707@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:46:26 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Abelton Live question References: <936414.26549.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C83F16D.7010908@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140159ADCAE4BE@barq.sailpoint.com> <20100908075925.253670@gmx.net> <4C875654.9010408@tiscali.co.uk> <20100909160225.197170@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20100909160225.197170@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Please don't expect a list ;-) I'll send you a copy of my cd if you wanna contact me off list. andy Buzap Buzap wrote: > Well, what else do you think - besides 1U in rack ;-) - doesn't work with Mobius? > > See, Andy: There were so many things "not possible" (i.e. feedback on RC-50), still found a work-around. > > So, I'd be curious to know ;-) > > Buzap > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 16:56:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 427173BF0D; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1284051412; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=s5EQWsXVZoDKoCUDg7j+tmbu7oo=; b=euH/orTTPNYUEtOW729tjE9+BsSDaC+YS6ZOh8YPS36QmvSHDBlidq/TXeyQjlqv 88FVI3ZrKd5BFgFpnUxilv4JjiX2niZFBXSBQ2r9D305XLY1dPpV+fR6ieSb93zX; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=s1n2Wr348Lwf388qBIy7nKSPZL3X/a6JJCBZCbt99Pc= c=1 sm=0 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=iD/6ivJ4D7Hv3lNKU3fayg==:17 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=BThbgmv5P7A_3dvCSvMA:9 a=ep9XfOIC1Cij9VGSi1MA:7 a=jsAxlq0lhNbnAIZqg-B-auUJDYEA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=iD/6ivJ4D7Hv3lNKU3fayg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000e01cb5040$00610b40$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: remove from the list Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:56:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100909-0, 09/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Jean-luc, you have to unsubscribe yourself, Frome the LD site: I'm sorry, I need to unsubscribe from Looper's Delight. How do I do that? It's not that I dislike people there or anything, you understand. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-Luc THOMAS" To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: remove from the list > Hello, > Can you remove me from the list please. This forum is realy intresting > but too much messages each day. i'm going on tour and I won't have time > to read all the message. So please remove me. > Have good music. > Jean-luc. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 17:19:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39A2F3BF25; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=5aDS2zy9zBVjOTWDe/kCpD6KBeb2FPSm8y99KVWWBpjs5p5gjkhPNZOC0lpQFS1KYaSgy4qlblQIXpeB5KVvEHXN8MFkUnSXN/9aRP8s+37Fm2XPhCUKHRVEPav/s1r6zBUkoT+wHxIpbt6DQBdg8k7/jYdPnT9NWS1SBS7vrBo= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1284052760; bh=vXakUzA5VDJJDw0bk+wXvXdEN7OBoeIpoTRnf27SuCg=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=6ab6mLDK8NHe9Uk1Fq6iPTfzpnAD03ZCbrvCkyAD/zUHGoUpx0EewVPL5BuMZ3EKf80V/flPMCLdK0u4anOhQHSJ1WAWY/YjV3Wftx/J4CevNbvqc+dYzqO8G2Cz1p39eRmIL5qQ8PjpJ4FflCS5LY2M7OQQlqm3XruysVX74Zs= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: y_K8VecVM1lmp4CgzIWz37W2uNm3480zy7e2Ij8D_7LsWgh yYwvDSiaRmMt8agSMXjAtmj0SQdJ2e3BH1WMDwUOQJ9I3Ub8zMr0PmqxCxcm UQ1GeReuzvG_0bmE.FA2EJqu1bVBAFF78Oz6oVDwec52ClPgujwos0jAL8GM WG6p_hYKEQSyWDkn5W_V80rEWRlu6gONGOM06Aa9KMJKnBxVYp.AR05XEiud s90bVHg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <4848A8A8-E97B-49A2-9CEB-C8B63820C4EE@btinternet.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-802879902 Message-Id: <2743299A-1423-49E3-8932-81ED268ECA24@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Call For Performers (slightly OT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:19:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <9HBrYB.A.AhE.acRiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:19:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12-802879902 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Are you up for for playing? Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 29 Aug 2010, at 13:33, Simeon Harris wrote: > just to add - if you'd like to submit a video, but don't have a > camcorder, but you do have a mac with iSight, then you can use > Quicktime Broadcaster to record a video to disk > check vimeo for the best settings to use. here's the link - http:// > support.apple.com/kb/DL764 > > sim > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Matt Stevens > wrote: > Hello Loopers! > > Loopers are very welcome at this event: > > On The 18 and 19th of Sept we will be hold a Ustream/web streamed > festival at http://cafenoodle.ning.com with donations in aid of the > MS Society. > > If you are unsure on how to do a gig via ustream you can find some > useful info here: > > http://www.liveunsigned.com/blog/category/ustreams/ > > You don't have to use ustream - as long as you can provide the > embed code thats great! > > If you would like to perform at the festival please let me know > this week, I would like to confirm the line up by next weekend. > Please email me at mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com to confirm you > want to play. I will be doing lots of promo for this in the coming > weeks. > > Thanks in advance > > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > --Apple-Mail-12-802879902 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Are you up for for playing?

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 29 Aug 2010, = at 13:33, Simeon Harris wrote:

just to = add - if you'd like to submit a video, but don't have a camcorder, but = you do have a mac with iSight, then you can use Quicktime Broadcaster to = record a video to disk
check vimeo for the best settings to use. = here's the link - http://support.apple.com/kb/DL7= 64

sim

On Sun, Aug 29, = 2010 at 11:03 AM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com> wrote:
Hello = Loopers!

Loopers are very welcome at this event:
=
On The 18 and 19th of Sept we will be hold a Ustream/web streamed = festival at http://cafenoodle.ning.com with donations in aid = of the MS Society.

If you are unsure on how to do a gig via = ustream you can find some useful info here:

http://www.liveunsigned.com/blog/category/ustreams/<= br>
You don't have to use ustream - as long as you can provide the = embed code thats great!

If you would like to perform at the = festival please let me know this week, I would like to confirm the line = up by next weekend. Please email me at mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com to confirm you = want to play. I will be doing lots of promo for this in the coming = weeks.

Thanks in advance



= = --Apple-Mail-12-802879902-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 17:19:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECA8F3BF2F; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:19:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing meter (was POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT) X-Originating-Ip: 12.232.29.12 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100909171950.9EC4E15F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Hello, As long as there is no tempo change, nothing happens when you go from 4/4 t= o 4/8. The 4/8 measure would simply be one half of a 4/4 measure. You could= also say 2/4 & still nothing would change other than how you would read th= e measure unless the time sig change was accompanied with a tempo change. > > mark francombe to Loopers-Delight: > > can someone explain to me what 4:4 is in comparison to 4:8? >=20 > Isn't "half tempo" and "double tempo" a good way of digesting that? >=20 > Per > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 17:20:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76BBD3BF3B; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:20:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Bqa/F+E5rSQlxzyQPsSC0PlMNFdL+mbWvLq892PcNAk=; b=OXz0WBLOOZN2LCuqNqhwqEshkC9v1QAsoUuIIDSTfYIT2mTOYPctfHonW40WZnImhF 8Dld09+LZEFb0Izacq3soForwXX4tqpVd1FkvuGm81z4UbxJyYOpd50fLujwvnqvgaIu jOknzmJV3SBtN+uANfTcS50EHZoSMxsFjJ4hM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=s4wtfblhVRaIiYU+k2mtDJpMABEj/jUZJpENCJpyYlX9+LvHAUzWrBPYvaHqWQXMUg 608b8bid10ODJjBF3vTUG7VoBUZMa0ocd07CXFOTkXnXGbDYD5bOHqn6qHGQwicxOmIt cQSk9ZAc5fyN72VM8kxPVh5ZZ9GzoP/AePOb4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <2743299A-1423-49E3-8932-81ED268ECA24@btinternet.com> References: <4848A8A8-E97B-49A2-9CEB-C8B63820C4EE@btinternet.com> <2743299A-1423-49E3-8932-81ED268ECA24@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:20:15 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 11-PpKUf3UZ5FjWEigePlFGwc7U Message-ID: Subject: Re: Call For Performers (slightly OT) From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f6c762ee82f1048fd6d7d6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:20:16 +0000 (UTC) --001485f6c762ee82f1048fd6d7d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When and where? On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Matt Stevens < mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote: > Are you up for for playing? > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > On 29 Aug 2010, at 13:33, Simeon Harris wrote: > > just to add - if you'd like to submit a video, but don't have a camcorder, > but you do have a mac with iSight, then you can use Quicktime Broadcaster to > record a video to disk > check vimeo for the best settings to use. here's the link - > http://support.apple.com/kb/DL764 > > sim > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Matt Stevens < > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Hello Loopers! >> >> Loopers are very welcome at this event: >> >> On The 18 and 19th of Sept we will be hold a Ustream/web streamed festival >> at http://cafenoodle.ning.com with donations in aid of the MS Society. >> >> If you are unsure on how to do a gig via ustream you can find some useful >> info here: >> >> http://www.liveunsigned.com/blog/category/ustreams/ >> >> You don't have to use ustream - as long as you can provide the embed code >> thats great! >> >> If you would like to perform at the festival please let me know this week, >> I would like to confirm the line up by next weekend. Please email me at >> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com to confirm you want to play. I will be >> doing lots of promo for this in the coming weeks. >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> >> Matt Stevens >> www.mattstevensguitar.com >> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >> >> >> >> >> > > --001485f6c762ee82f1048fd6d7d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When and where?

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1= :19 PM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:<= br>
Are you up for for playing?


On 29 Aug 2010, at 13:33, Simeon Harris wrote:

<= div>
just to add - if you&= #39;d like to submit a video, but don't have a camcorder, but you do ha= ve a mac with iSight, then you can use Quicktime Broadcaster to record a vi= deo to disk
check vimeo for the best settings to use. here's the link - http://support.apple.c= om/kb/DL764

sim

On Sun, Aug 2= 9, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinte= rnet.com> wrote:
Hello Loopers!

Loopers are very w= elcome at this event:

On The 18 and 19th of Sept we will be hold a Ustream/web streamed fes= tival at http://ca= fenoodle.ning.com with donations in aid of the MS Society.

If = you are unsure on how to do a gig via ustream you can find some useful info= here:

http://www.liveunsigned.com/blog/category/ustreams/
You don't have to use ustream - as long as you can provide the embed= code thats great!

If you would like to perform at the festival please let me know this = week, I would like to confirm the line up by next weekend. Please email me = at ma= ttstevensguitar@btinternet.com to confirm you want to play. I will be d= oing lots of promo for this in the coming weeks.

Thanks in advance



--001485f6c762ee82f1048fd6d7d6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 17:22:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0936E3BF2E; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ubuVu/uJo0pXS6Eqx8fLa3mckPeLVvQXSdCXq/0dzj4=; b=Z9ZHXvX55vL+w7n7fDRQW3I/bK+DF4RcTAjODcH0ZnucgPMBZoJgKFllnglyBpZoVP P71ZSN3SpsHk4wdEBh5yFG6G3zMCBaETa0uSLKLmBXaVcqwr1N9ySM/GDqKPwcytaqKs Q7JvJE06Eqwg4l8fgROKAD1nI1Yf3IO30qBWA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=CjBiWqAHFdYqagNLgw3smGc31yLd8N2xf5aCc/5UXtNx+ZgmAH+4r5GAIM8MnG+qeb HNiaFk9ayZLtjbumDCgasZUJimMRiApeSdKRMjBGQqp8UIjb+nMKmmiQZG62QVvOJPtf 6YrvKw+Hem9VYfH2hoaI5dEVKoU8drGWzYHdo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:22:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: LG-M & FCB1010, eprom? From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:22:15 +0000 (UTC) does anybody know if the UnO eprom is the one that allows bidirectional communication between the lg-m and the fcb-1010 or is another chip? thanks! --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 17:38:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E58A33BEF8; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:38:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter X-Originating-Ip: 12.232.29.12 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100909173812.A3CDE655098@c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:38:13 +0000 (UTC) > > rick's approach is right, since it makes things easier to read by > putting strong beats at its place. Sorry but what was rick's approach again? making reading easier is the first > goal when choosing "the" correct meter. basically, you can't choose a > meter with ternary(?) subdivision of the beat, we call them > "compuesto", to substitute a binary subdivided one, called "simple". I have no idea what you are saying here. You can choose a ternary subdivisi= on, they are called triplets, just as in 3/4 you can have a duplet. No clue= again what the opint is here. > 2010/9/9 Rick Walker : > > =A0Mark Showalter wrote: > > " > > > > You can take a song like "Norweigin Wood" by the Beatles, > > & =A0write it in 3/4 or 6/8 or 12/8 or even 300/8" > > > > > > I see your point, =A0Mark, it's a really good one in most cases, > > but I don't agree completely in this particular case. > > > > Here's my understanding: > > > > I would contend that Norwegian Wood is a Waltz, I don't think that "Norweigan Wood" would in any way be confused for a Walt= z.... and, as such > > it should be written in 3/4 (or 3/8, or for the sake of argument > > 3/64)..........the point being that the natural subdivision > > is in groups of three. Yes, the measures are definitely groups of 3 beats. > > My understanding of the distinction between 3/4 and 6/8 > > is that 6/8 naturally subdivides into two groups of 3 but > > with the emphasis on the 6 notes figure. Again, not necessarily, the empasis may fall only on the first beat or only= on the fifth, just depends on the music & where "feel" or "groove" falls i= nto place.=20 > > If "Norwegian Wood" had a backbeat on beat 4 of the 6/8, > > then I would agree with you and would NOT write it in 3/4 > > which does not have a similar rhythmic feel. Again, rythm is not necessaryly set by the time sig. > > This is what distinguishes a lot of Doo Wop tunes from > > more traditional Waltzes: =A0the backbeat clearly delineates the > > midpoint in a 6 note figure. Not sure what you mean, could you give me a well known song as an example? = Also, there is no "midpoint" in a 6 note figure........ > > I would contend it is wrong to write it in 12/8 or 300/8 > > or maybe wrong is the wrong word.............let's just > > say it is unnecessarily obfuscating to do so. Comlpetely agree, the selection of time sig is purely to aide reading the m= usic. > > > > Your mom can write a rhythm in 3 as a hemiola in 4 but > > that is NOT how it is felt by the listener so I would say > > she is just goofing and trying to be a bit of a whimsical > > devils' advocate by doing so. If you played an entire piece in 4/4, say a waltz but used hemiola to creat= e the waltz time, the listener would still hear the waltz & be completely u= naware the piece was written in 4/4. Sorry, but you missed what I said. My mother could play "Moon River" in 4/4= not 3/4. She actually lenghtened the last beat of every 3/4 measure, so sh= e counted it in 4. She also wouldn't know a hemiola if it bit her on the tu= kus.... > > But, seriously, =A0I want to be respectful in my disagreement. > > It's tiny compared to the agreement I feel in most situations > > with what you write. Thanks, same here. > --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 18:01:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2B433BF1B; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C892110.90908@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:01:52 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Macintosh/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <54pr8D.A.riF.TESiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:01:55 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be preempted by a l ive, in-studio performance by Modulator ESP. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#sep You will also hear new music from xeroid entity who will play at the electro-music 2010 festival which takes place this weekend, Friday through Sunday, September 10 through 12. More details are below. You will also hear new music from the Spotted Peccary label. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 18:05:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 298EF3BF28; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:05:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qisGli8jAXxYqnXRHnVicL+eFV0gf1BkkcWA6chGL6w=; b=n/R3sYy6xgYgeyg7L/ZYV+Rckk6MHfe/5tij34yaSnAvIjskeug/C81yTxRmBcJ8bX Xm0yMi10k2ZREX4E9wt/bKbfClWN7LUeArivXZI1Rep0NrOBwgb/CAEN2usaSQ2K3dES xM1gu7Y2WQ80oXK4+doHylti8C+VDM5A+tUlY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RzbG0eFBPGLnGxmPQkuWNzKgr0A6R2BIBJ0EWZOILttGQHJyhIjpSiZEOrLQVQHotc eRTIV5JkguzFTvKBwk/3GxPBZ4O57Z1Hol+qh5cRZ67f3C3XpEPijdVOdMEkPpUxA8KF vvRGI/Dc8ztDRQ5ECgRbUr77hmAYi6Yi61AmY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100909173812.A3CDE655098@c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotuslive.com> References: <20100909173812.A3CDE655098@c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:05:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_nYxgB.A.srF.GISiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:05:59 +0000 (UTC) 2010/9/9 Mark Showalter : >You can choose a ternary subdivision, they are called triplets, just as in= 3/4 you can have a >duplet. No clue again what the opint is here. i'm agree. all is possible but some are better fitted if a human mind will be reading. a computer won't ask you why did you choose the wrong one ("wrong", as it's taught in theory books, although i'd leave it in "less convenient"). why to choose a 2-beats meter if it's going to wrap a waltz? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 18:08:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E50D43BF38; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_1284055712104920" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:08:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing meter (was POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT) X-Originating-Ip: 12.232.29.12 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100909180833.06B7715F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:08:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_1284055712104920 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello,=A0I hear this in 4/4 with 2/4 measures scattered around. ----- Original Message ----- From: mark francombe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing meter (was POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:24:19 +0200 now i listen to it, maybe its just 6;8 all the way thru...? On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:20 PM, mark francombe wrote: http://www.cranes-fan.com/audio/cranes-lemon_tree.mp3 -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter[IMAGE] --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com --_----------=_1284055712104920 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hello,
 
I hear this in 4/4 with 2/4 measures scattered around.
----- Original Message -----
From: mark francombe
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re= : Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing meter (was POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT)Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:24:19 +0200

now i listen to it, maybe its= just 6;8 all the way thru...?

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:20 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancom= be.com> wrote:
http://www.cran= es-fan.com/audio/cranes-lemon_tree.mp3



--
mark francomb= e
www.markfrancombe.com
= www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @ma= rkfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/use= r825094
http://www.looop.no
<= /BLOCKQUOTE> 



Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

myspace.com/folkstone57
http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter

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--_----------=_1284055712104920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 18:14:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B4DE3BF47; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_1284056084154971" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:14:44 -0400 Subject: RE: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT X-Originating-Ip: 12.232.29.12 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-01.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100909181444.4F38377A630@c-in3ws--03-01.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:14:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_1284056084154971 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello,=A0I would say the overall feel is in 3, with lots of syncopated stuff going on. ----- Original Message ----- From: fh@flatheadband.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 02:33:54 -0700 what time sig would this song be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DifV5vSnbwv8&feature=3Drelated just curious..especially the verses.. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Toby G Date: Thu, September 09, 2010 1:44 am To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com They may not get distracted but they will count beats/pulses incorrectly. t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul Bonell" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT related story: once, attending to a composition workshop led by orlando jacinto garc=C3=ADa (who studied with morton feldman) i asked him why he was using *really* odd meters like 29/4 and left intentionally in silence a bunch of bars for some parts ... i couldn't figure out how somebody could count that at first sight or why he was not using more efficiently the meter tool, but he told me that that was the only way he had found to make the performers count silent bars and don't get distracted :) 2010/9/9 Toby G : > Yeah, it bothers me when somebody says a piece is in 45/8 or some huge > number. > > t > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT > > >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>> Another one was Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells; the first theme. Let's >>> see... it must be 15/16. And that record was a chart topper and top >>> seller >>> for months! >> >> Yeah, wow, how could I have forgotten that famous big seller! >> >> I count it as 30/8 >> divided 7/8 (2+3+3) + 7/8 (2+2+3) 7/8 (2+2+3) + 9/8 (2+2+3+2) >> >> It might sound like splitting hairs, but the time signature is generally >> written according to the phrasing >> >> > > -- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=C3=A9, despr=C3=A9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=C3=A0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=C3=B3c un Buda o no, =C3=B2sties!, no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=C3=AD? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter[IMAGE] --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com --_----------=_1284056084154971 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hello,
 
I would say the overall feel is in 3, with lots of syncopated stuff go= ing on.
----- Original Message -----
From: fh@flatheadband.comTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC C= OUNTERPOINT
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 02:33:54 -0700

what time sig would this song be:


just curious..especially the verses..
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re:= Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT
From: Toby G <carpet8@mac.com>
Date: Thu, September 09, 2010 1:44 am=
To: Loopers-Deli= ght@loopers-delight.com

They may not get distracted but they wil= l count beats/pulses incorrectly.

t
----- Original Message ----- =
From: "Raul Bonell" <raul.b= onell@gmail.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesd= ay, September 08, 2010 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOI= NT


related story:

once, attending to a composition worksh= op led by orlando jacinto
garc=C3=ADa (who studied with morton feldman) = i asked him why he was using
*really* odd meters like 29/4 and left inte= ntionally in silence a
bunch of bars for some parts ... i couldn't figur= e out how somebody
could count that at first sight or why he was not usi= ng more
efficiently the meter tool, but he told me that that was the onl= y way
he had found to make the performers count silent bars and don't ge= t
distracted :)


2010/9/9 Toby G <carpet8@mac.com>:
> Yeah, it bothers me when somebod= y says a piece is in 45/8 or some huge
> number.
>
> t> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com>
> To: "LOOPERS DEL= IGHT (posting)" <= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, Septem= ber 08, 2010 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT
= >
>
>> Per Boysen wrote:
>>>
>>> = Another one was Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells; the first theme. Let's
&g= t;>> see... it must be 15/16. And that record was a chart topper and = top
>>> seller
>>> for months!
>>
>= > Yeah, wow, how could I have forgotten that famous big seller!
>&= gt;
>> I count it as 30/8
>> divided 7/8 (2+3+3) + 7/8 (2= +2+3) 7/8 (2+2+3) + 9/8 (2+2+3+2)
>>
>> It might sound li= ke splitting hairs, but the time signature is generally
>> written= according to the phrasing
>>
>>
>
>

<= BR>
--
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
I b=C3=A9, despr=C3=A9s estava aque= lla dona que sense saber que estava
il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que= he pagat per aquesta merda de
m=C3=A0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em= diu si s=C3=B3c un Buda o no, =C3=B2sties!,
no podien posar-li una agul= la , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=C3=AD? "


Raul Bonell at Blo= gger: http://raulbonell.blogspot= .com
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com


 



Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

myspace.com/folkstone57
http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter

--=20

_______________________________________________
Surf the Web in a fas= ter, safer and easier way:
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--_----------=_1284056084154971-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 18:22:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D0E03BF4E; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5YaJ71tmol3g83TDlC88SsFR8vr02JFKG93RD0janA8=; b=jAUAa6wsQtN+ycQlBJvRP8YTnPME4fT8y2rmbDhgdpHc5EiucpTUVGSlCS++elbw0m vDHJOJWjmdvxhEGPGy3tYFk5Y2VOXOrU2CR+gTq3Ooj94UQe/g6BlJcwqlKP3mPecO/J NiTji77JsNWt10GqqJShwdskCd3pio0nGQKkg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=A+oRd87XeGvQj9e51/6jFmeHZsvvtEa9bEQhzup4SxRzN31rPuPS87kuOgaTWRt6rZ kdU6FBeI590YWo5eqzgauAlBLk7a8rAxm7VlaG7yFE3zGsmQggnSmKtWdmQxFCFK6Mqh 6hvvOCcGOC85AWT/HaYGTzdlq1UrEU+rygQwQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20100909173812.A3CDE655098@c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:22:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-uy3YD.A.XNG.4XSiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:22:49 +0000 (UTC) i would 2010/9/9 Raul Bonell : > 2010/9/9 Mark Showalter : > > >>You can choose a ternary subdivision, they are called triplets, not exactly the same, or at least, how it's expected to work. example of "good use": if you need a binary meter, but with ternary subdivision, because the music you have in mind, seems to follow this pattern most of the times in your piece, you would better choose 6/X against 2/X. ra=FCl. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 19:10:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 715B93BED3; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=mP/7A2rLjSWBDK2hgkDETp37rsmpl/1SMsCJBk99zxexxcYxVWH6l1ooy8L3SnhThZoB73xteJNZ60H02CFX1VlpWQ4ouuvlPqOqueaaVr5Xy5Vqeai4I9Ep2AM/eK3r+rNSWjUsLgaiqMqD63JAL//Hl7LbAKwdfQaF0BNTJus= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1284059393; bh=EZ9sgNAG1ao4w7qK3hLFosXE90BxDGu8KMk+ESy5fhE=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=xAvJPnsEb4okJzwwfyQNuTsN44ByjLaBuHghX+gx9T3gm2nz1jQ7KISe9B8RtgH4eTOb/jCcnu0ELUJa3CvkV1mcDMz36k7rlWEkEAjLYSKAkR6+wnZYstu6/nObcrfwlopava3xVLMYwqfsA6D9hvSyCiU+OWT2/C+dO0OZQWo= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: DST7qsEVM1kI0XODhibzvVFjCzV3ubbTYWqqDlNk_iOZrSo zx_3HVfJgTLeEbCAYWVkEB8oz2cP5uv3HlijFEenIYq3gMNS9f2Xq.F5zNuF e5rzIsPyjo.Jq12Nx5gyT5T3HSa9UvK_A6Im8IXXOjdSi836Au6sP2KWpcsn 8DiHBOz3umJh9bFpgBD.t_MGtmzNKh.fDTCzsXeG60nQ4GW0qu5dy0Ege2em tZKH3Cw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <4848A8A8-E97B-49A2-9CEB-C8B63820C4EE@btinternet.com> <2743299A-1423-49E3-8932-81ED268ECA24@btinternet.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15-809513415 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Call For Performers (slightly OT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:09:51 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:10:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-15-809513415 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed All welcome to play at >> On The 18 and 19th of Sept we will be hold a Ustream/web streamed >> festival at http://cafenoodle.ning.com with donations in aid of >> the Multiple Sclerosis Society. Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 9 Sep 2010, at 18:20, daniel wrote: > When and where? > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Matt Stevens > wrote: > Are you up for for playing? > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > > On 29 Aug 2010, at 13:33, Simeon Harris wrote: > >> just to add - if you'd like to submit a video, but don't have a >> camcorder, but you do have a mac with iSight, then you can use >> Quicktime Broadcaster to record a video to disk >> check vimeo for the best settings to use. here's the link - http:// >> support.apple.com/kb/DL764 >> >> sim >> >> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Matt Stevens >> wrote: >> Hello Loopers! >> >> Loopers are very welcome at this event: >> >> On The 18 and 19th of Sept we will be hold a Ustream/web streamed >> festival at http://cafenoodle.ning.com with donations in aid of >> the MS Society. >> >> If you are unsure on how to do a gig via ustream you can find some >> useful info here: >> >> http://www.liveunsigned.com/blog/category/ustreams/ >> >> You don't have to use ustream - as long as you can provide the >> embed code thats great! >> >> If you would like to perform at the festival please let me know >> this week, I would like to confirm the line up by next weekend. >> Please email me at mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com to confirm you >> want to play. I will be doing lots of promo for this in the coming >> weeks. >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> >> Matt Stevens >> www.mattstevensguitar.com >> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >> >> >> >> >> > > --Apple-Mail-15-809513415 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII All welcome to play at 

On The 18 and 19th of Sept we = will be hold a Ustream/web streamed festival at http://cafenoodle.ning.com with donations in = aid of the Multiple Sclerosis = Society.

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 9 Sep 2010, = at 18:20, daniel wrote:

When and = where?

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:19 = PM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com> wrote:
Are you = up for for playing?


On 29 Aug 2010, at 13:33, Simeon Harris = wrote:

just to add - if you'd like to submit a video, but don't = have a camcorder, but you do have a mac with iSight, then you can use = Quicktime Broadcaster to record a video to disk
check vimeo for the = best settings to use. here's the link - http://support.apple.com/kb/DL764
=
sim

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:03 = AM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> = wrote:
Hello = Loopers!

Loopers are very welcome at this event:
=
On The 18 and 19th of Sept we will be hold a Ustream/web streamed = festival at http://cafenoodle.ning.com with donations in aid = of the MS Society.

If you are unsure on how to do a gig via = ustream you can find some useful info here:

http://www.liveunsigned.com/blog/category/ustreams/<= br>
You don't have to use ustream - as long as you can provide the = embed code thats great!

If you would like to perform at the = festival please let me know this week, I would like to confirm the line = up by next weekend. Please email me at mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com to confirm you = want to play. I will be doing lots of promo for this in the coming = weeks.

Thanks in advance





= --Apple-Mail-15-809513415-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 19:36:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 972753BED6; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5aXf3q3ynbGp3IX5LSBmxfLHoF8aM9BL8uTmyIhVDJg=; b=RLHY5YZQkr/lGxgZZb71v99pc9k/mrQIVXK6lFNT2RgnihJWbIM0jEvWsE85nDwQlg kas20R4LXiP6caQeST3Dzo2AqlSCYKEAxhwdbcCi1etfpPFvmfwvWrDu5ri3fUEHp3pP ZQSaOKMQNhxRQS0erP/BMvAKQklgIuNhWxoI0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QUCt1tx0MG/Qrb9FJCrB0ez3MqMgbYcK/VOIwvQ6T8KLr/M0ku+Zuc0gkfZ+8xje8w p6AZ7p8VBbyMTE181N8jbMfKzUSlkEmQ0jniBxxa7OIt5lsGZVIliVgpSkbI3iVvRDW7 0qYBiVbyzImbujicL7KiWC9LoDK2NPSSESXVA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <49D88B2007AE44CA8DFB99E139111B58@mpeserver> <000c01cb5021$a9f32c20$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <000e01cb5024$6167d2f0$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <002201cb5025$25303740$3a7a3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:36:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bandcamp: help needed From: Jeffrey Collins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c0cae872362048fd8bff3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:36:38 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c0cae872362048fd8bff3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Let us know when it's uploaded so we can check it out. Michael. I've gotta hit up your bandcamp page. I've still got "Escape Veloopity", still great album. Cheers, Jeffrey > --0015174c0cae872362048fd8bff3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Let us know when it's uploaded so we can check it out.

Michael. I've gotta hit up your bandcamp page. I've still got "Escape Veloopity", still great album.

Cheers, Jeffrey

--0015174c0cae872362048fd8bff3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 20:06:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 165C93BEC0; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=kxgTYZQwLiKqio2jD8/5bAm5YN4OkpymKVi0sDa+15g=; b=afX7OSNIf6fbcvzogxNQ9jMSv9BuhC0E5qSLsPq+2UHZMknhEnhrhSpJrLfdkLhnk7 DjvuFvYs1syMG5AvSAcDwvKSqbe0rOIWowkZzl572KWtb8aozcFfPHdRD6KccuvhHjf+ M1ESND0N6Mse+z4VYPBX5D1/BjEy1Ij5h42ks= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=GijOwVBSfF7iEJeuoHOI//JGPpA3C1PG1/nCawpwufIQKe3smMChz6woH3FC1qxy04 7fMkXRjq3N7q68lUiLlumtk1fzikIjffy27MjgAH2rggRZKLD4rYSF/FArqwz9AoYxdY XUYaM7170XS1pTPqhQR9rCTH4jrqo9wGtwszM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:05:38 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: EkaXhyVvrVhZjRc-GbOMnB6I-Yg Message-ID: Subject: Dont try this at home children! (mobius Live and Mulch at once!) To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb4a4a2ea4f048fd9284d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:06:00 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cb4a4a2ea4f048fd9284d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just accidentally tried running Mobius inside Mulch and Live at the same time.. get this.. it works... phased a bit... but hey! I was just trying out Mobius in Mulch and forgot I had Live open... I don't recommend it however... -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0015175cb4a4a2ea4f048fd9284d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just accidentally tried running Mobius inside Mulch and Live at the same time.. get this.. it works... phased a bit... but hey!

I was just trying out Mobius in Mulch and forgot I had Live open...

I don't recommend it however...

--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--0015175cb4a4a2ea4f048fd9284d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 20:08:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 324013BED2; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 21:08:41 +0100 Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter X-Originating-Ip: 12.232.29.12 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100909200841.A26E7160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Hello, >> i would You would what? =20 > 2010/9/9 Raul Bonell : > > 2010/9/9 Mark Showalter : > > > > > >> You can choose a ternary subdivision, they are called triplets, >=20 > not exactly the same, or at least, how it's expected to work. >=20 > example of "good use": >=20 > if you need a binary meter, but with ternary subdivision, because the > music you have in mind, seems to follow this pattern most of the times > in your piece, you would better choose 6/X against 2/X. Again, not sure what you are trying to say here. If I do have a clue, would= you be referring to music in a 2 feel but the rythm is in 3 like Gordon Li= ghtfoot's "The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald" ?=20 >=20 > ra=FCl. >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava > il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de > m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2stie= s!, > no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " >=20 >=20 > Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 20:11:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 326223BEDD; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HhN9q6D9e55gEar4sDIm3FZq5sXUMz9Ta29qpGeZk/U=; b=VbXx7yVDfTNj+eedD8WbaLO+dZPLu6ElhesJ5JaO5qyNMT393O45Zx1/dAoMuB7cwV yBQvoBh4v9D+oK5G06QPVNVdanxpy1uu+9xVxSKf1sp8yUSGWcQfLfw/XOhmthcqTQYb WwO3SIuZz+7kg8NOP5iB6pZyk3oE7KjMZEiPk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GD9Xmb+eInoZAk75jiwwdAvY+KaGwepDhwVRF9VBI9DETJ7hVe/NhI2iKCo1vpGpWN +F+tkhHGg3u8ODnO+QhxUO4jlU+Zk5qV5BubmGf0/ODMUsez+6H+HUHiYD1t3r7oS/X/ VXzpY4CNuhKxfU+xitoyBwL3NmDpnfqBlf3SA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:10:59 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dont try this at home children! (mobius Live and Mulch at once!) From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:11:01 +0000 (UTC) ha,ha,ha... 2010/9/9 mark francombe : > I just accidentally tried running Mobius inside Mulch and Live at the sam= e > time.. get this.. it works... phased a bit... but hey! > > I was just trying out Mobius in Mulch and forgot I had Live open... > > I don't recommend it however... > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 20:19:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9227B3BEEC; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 21:19:22 +0100 Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter X-Originating-Ip: 12.232.29.12 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-04.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100909201922.678B31F6904@c-in3ws--03-04.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Hello, I think the overall point, which we seem to agree on, is that you write the= arrangement in the time sig & tempo etc that makes the most sense & is the= easiest to read. I was taugh by one of my composition teachers in music sc= hool that you always work from the graetest sub-division back to plan how y= ou would right a piece. So, if there are 128th note values as the greatest = sub-division, you don't write the time signature as 64/128. That would be r= idiculous. It's still easier to have to deal with those notes on the ocassi= ons they appear. If everything is written in 128th notes by some dummy, you= simply turn them all into quarter or eigth notes to simplify reading, & of= course, counting. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Raul Bonell > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:05:57 +0200 >=20 >=20 > 2010/9/9 Mark Showalter : >=20 >=20 > > You can choose a ternary subdivision, they are called triplets,=20 > > just as in 3/4 you can have a >duplet. No clue again what the=20 > > opint is here. >=20 > i'm agree. all is possible but some are better fitted if a human mind > will be reading. a computer won't ask you why did you choose the wrong > one ("wrong", as it's taught in theory books, although i'd leave it in > "less convenient"). why to choose a 2-beats meter if it's going to > wrap a waltz? My point wasn't that you should write a waltz that way at all. It would be = the opposite of simple, but no listener would know that the music was writt= en in 4/4 if it was properly notated, but it would be just a silly excersiz= e in complex notation.=20 --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 20:25:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A256D3BEF9; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rlyptzYMHZ6XPyByngH3tFIUpGKbuQzZuhqBqAtvgBQ=; b=W+UXUMjcL2NwdXOXvcxcydmlHhH4B094p8+amGqEw8lL2Xe/OLsAwiqhLZPc019g7v aZHx6ksxN3eicCsSESs50WmL+QvKwj90b+n8fkCj+quOeRvSTzc9WIZsFmBeF7y8kWxB 711v+G+HAw7ev+DT8MNWLbfTN5pa+hFcUwvOw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Gn9379Zo7+i484T9SgVev2ZeoUdzU8/VjqZPNTvU2HhiEfxPs3XKxl8Z93ZT4++KRo UTqm0tHqLsVCAVrOnd1AG9ozQ9p2BMBv4NvfEGatf1kM2YQNLVThDcgJs0MNZcO2qNju pO+1MoDqb5xaK9j84ncGkdCFbyslGOdAbILio= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100909200841.A26E7160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> References: <20100909200841.A26E7160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:25:04 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <4igZwC.A.LXB.hKUiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:25:05 +0000 (UTC) 2010/9/9 Mark Showalter : > Hello, > >>> i would > > You would what? sorry. i forgot to delete that :) >> 2010/9/9 Raul Bonell : >> > 2010/9/9 Mark Showalter : >> > >> > >> >> You can choose a ternary subdivision, they are called triplets, >> >> not exactly the same, or at least, how it's expected to work. >> >> example of "good use": >> >> if you need a binary meter, but with ternary subdivision, because the >> music you have in mind, seems to follow this pattern most of the times >> in your piece, you would better choose 6/X against 2/X. > > Again, not sure what you are trying to say here. If I do have a clue, wou= ld you be referring to >music in a 2 feel but the rythm is in 3 like Gordon= Lightfoot's "The Wreck Of The Edmund >Fitzgerald" ? i think i don't know that song. i'm afraid. but it looks that's what i meant. sounds like a good chance to use a 6/X meter, isn't? could you write a 2/X or even better a 3/X? yes. but that's the best occasion to use a 6/X since that's his "raison d'=EAtre". ra=FCl. --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 20:31:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1911E3BF01; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xEhZFxd1l/t5rVSYtnWxLUk5w6pHhr/Q8sVpk53VVZQ=; b=OVAonOuArt3DWfJ3GN5NXBJD9uS76sOx9VmVhFs7FbPhSPx1/KXVrirZwUk1g53//m 4Hy2YHJBJ/NKnysnEuy8RRmbNTPLJ53KOqF4LE2TBsD88DObixykA0JFJuuzupf91S3s LLwZSnTT4Kmlp/cAQben3uNaneIaZ9EjJYTAE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PL9sOEEzpY6IQng7SthB+H43Hr0+BKFAP5CHBWEtzqY5b1OtTdwvh5+2g/C2MvDJ41 5S6+4/3PhprYOjtyEZ4YYm2wjIs2C2NDj3QYfFv9TVkT+zoxkXqQsMvx+WbHk9KAP+js jE6CZMy3pgtmFg/oEkRydZd4t3fIS5UweBXb8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100909201922.678B31F6904@c-in3ws--03-04.sv2.lotuslive.com> References: <20100909201922.678B31F6904@c-in3ws--03-04.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:31:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:31:22 +0000 (UTC) 2010/9/9 Mark Showalter : > Hello, > > I think the overall point, which we seem to agree on, is that you write t= he arrangement in the >time sig & tempo etc that makes the most sense & is = the easiest to read. I was taugh by one >of my composition teachers in musi= c school that you always work from the graetest >sub-division back to plan = how you would right a piece. So, if there are 128th note values as >the gre= atest sub-division, you don't write the time signature as 64/128. That woul= d be >ridiculous. It's still easier to have to deal with those notes on the= ocassions they appear. If >everything is written in 128th notes by some du= mmy, you simply turn them all into quarter or >eigth notes to simplify read= ing, & of course, counting. totally agree! > My point wasn't that you should write a waltz that way at all. It would b= e the opposite of >simple, but no listener would know that the music was wr= itten in 4/4 if it was properly notated, >but it would be just a silly exce= rsize in complex notation. even more than totally agree! ra=FCl. --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 9 21:45:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D4B53BE8E; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 21:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=D6B5frJByZfBK4XiBNuvKdkSxAwTxoRG19JHwOkw55U=; b=ro/4U5C98WqO04y/eZ81MjIeEkn1nx3fkERri8oyRpTkRtAaRRb9k/WUsMk+yDAjqP P15ExDCTFQCGu6vtkOBM/v7tgfFhlMOhf+r7HD8gwzDfvQsZRSV4S2CYh5nDQeE++H2o 236YIPvwhPEt0rRVSOF4RGjadekc4Z2m39+Xo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Z2DS9dr1I0mZnAwGUiwCwLbjdOs20xp7WEVK41Ld3jgRyY+DCpBYrC93KbDuU9Yaii ojDWnO6YiKS8cdN73q9j2OXxLKmUTkF+Cf+PmqkEltxvAmLOAStvNe9gQoSDn8LlzaTT TaGCpiIpEGCEYhRDVLLQUkSXNrMKd2u6Sxn6c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C8809E1.70609@cruzio.com> References: <4C8809E1.70609@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 23:45:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016368e31ce2294d2048fda8d59 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 21:45:43 +0000 (UTC) --0016368e31ce2294d2048fda8d59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 oh man she is just too awesome ....i cannot believe that she is not playing here in europe when you are here ,shes too shy and we gotta get this girl out of santa cruz man please!!! On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > and two of my very favorite odd time signature songs that my wife wrote > and recorded > > SILVER STREET Christine Wedertz from 'Silver Street in 5/4 > http://www.chriswhatever.net/Silver_Street.mp3 > > WHO WOULDN'T LEAVE Christine Wedertz from 'Silver Street' in 5/4 > http://www.chriswhatever.net/Who_Wouldnt_Leave.mp3 > > And some famous and and some of my favorite odd time signatures in popular > music: > > TAKE FIVE Dave Bruebeck (a 'waltz' in 5/4, swung) > --- first million selling single in Jazz history from his ground > breaking record 'Time Out' > > BLUE RONDA A LA TURK Dave Bruebeck (from the same record) > --- A Blues, using a Rondo form (I believe) in Karsilama - the most > famous Turkish 9/8 rhythm > counted 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 > > THEM from MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 10/8 counted 3 3 2 2 > > MONEY Pink Floyd in 7/4 from 'Dark Side of the Moon' > > MORNING BELL Radio Head in 5/4 from "Kid A" > > ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE The Beatles with the verses in 7/4, the rest in 4/4 > > LIVING IN THE PAST Jethro Tull 7/4 > > RIVER MAN Nick Drake from 'Five Leaves Left' > > PLAYIN' IN THE BAND Grateful Dead 10/4 (or two bars of 4/4 and one of > 2/4) > > GET CLOSER Linda Rondstadt (that was actually on top 40 radio in the day) > 7/4 > > whole albums by the group TOOL who really favor 5/4 , 10/8, 5/8 > > > > > Here's an interesting podcast on the subject: > called "Meters and Time Signatures" from Pandora Internet Radio > > http://blog.pandora.com/archives/podcast/2007/09/meters_time_sig.html > > --0016368e31ce2294d2048fda8d59 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oh man she is just too awesome ....i cannot believe that she is not playing= here in europe when you are here ,shes too shy and we gotta get this girl = out of santa cruz man please!!!

On Thu, S= ep 9, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
=A0and two of my = very favorite odd time signature songs that my wife wrote and recorded

SILVER STREET =A0 =A0 Christine Wedertz =A0 from 'Silver Street =A0 =A0= =A0in 5/4
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.chriswhatever.net/Silver_Street.mp3

WHO WOULDN'T LEAVE =A0 Christine Wedertz =A0 from 'Silver Street= 9; =A0 =A0in 5/4
=A0 =A0 http://www.chriswhatever.net/Who_Wouldnt_Leave.mp3

And some famous and and some of my favorite odd time signatures in popular = music:

TAKE FIVE =A0 =A0Dave Bruebeck =A0 (a 'waltz' in 5/4, =A0swung)
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--- =A0first million selling single in Jazz history =A0from= his ground breaking record 'Time Out'

BLUE RONDA A LA TURK =A0 =A0Dave Bruebeck (from the same record)
=A0 =A0 =A0--- A Blues, using a Rondo form (I believe) in Karsilama - the = most famous Turkish 9/8 rhythm
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 counted =A0 =A02 2 2 3 =A0 2 2 2 3 =A0 =A02 2 2 3 = =A0 =A03 3 3

THEM from MISSION IMPOSSIBLE =A0 =A010/8 =A0 counted =A03 3 2 2

MONEY Pink Floyd =A0 in 7/4 =A0 from 'Dark Side of the Moon'

MORNING BELL =A0 Radio Head =A0in 5/4 =A0 from "Kid A"

ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE =A0The Beatles =A0 with the verses in 7/4, the rest in= 4/4

LIVING IN THE PAST =A0 Jethro Tull =A07/4

RIVER MAN =A0 Nick Drake =A0from =A0'Five Leaves Left'

PLAYIN' IN THE BAND =A0Grateful Dead =A0 10/4 =A0(or two bars of 4/4 an= d one of 2/4)

GET CLOSER =A0Linda Rondstadt (that was actually on top 40 radio in the day= ) =A07/4

whole albums by the group TOOL who really favor 5/4 , 10/8, 5/8




Here's an interesting podcast on the subject:
called "Meters and Time Signatures" =A0from Pandora Internet Radi= o

http://blog.pandora.com/archives/podcast/2007/09/m= eters_time_sig.html


--0016368e31ce2294d2048fda8d59-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 00:16:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE5D73BE92; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:16:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100910001654.7D09E15F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Nous somme d'accorde! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Raul Bonell > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:31:21 +0200 >=20 >=20 > 2010/9/9 Mark Showalter : > > Hello, > > > > I think the overall point, which we seem to agree on, is that you=20 > > write the arrangement in the >time sig & tempo etc that makes the=20 > > most sense & is the easiest to read. I was taugh by one >of my=20 > > composition teachers in music school that you always work from=20 > > the graetest >sub-division back to plan how you would right a=20 > > piece. So, if there are 128th note values as >the greatest=20 > > sub-division, you don't write the time signature as 64/128. That=20 > > would be >ridiculous. It's still easier to have to deal with=20 > > those notes on the ocassions they appear. If >everything is=20 > > written in 128th notes by some dummy, you simply turn them all=20 > > into quarter or >eigth notes to simplify reading, & of course,=20 > > counting. >=20 > totally agree! >=20 >=20 > > My point wasn't that you should write a waltz that way at all. It=20 > > would be the opposite of >simple, but no listener would know that=20 > > the music was written in 4/4 if it was properly notated, >but it=20 > > would be just a silly excersize in complex notation. >=20 > even more than totally agree! >=20 > ra=FCl. >=20 >=20 > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava > il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de > m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2stie= s!, > no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " >=20 >=20 > Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 00:19:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83D143BE90; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:19:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100910001925.5D37C655099@c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:19:26 +0000 (UTC) > > Again, not sure what you are trying to say here. If I do have a=20 > > clue, would you be referring to >music in a 2 feel but the rythm=20 > > is in 3 like Gordon Lightfoot's "The Wreck Of The Edmund=20 > > >Fitzgerald" ? >=20 > i think i don't know that song. i'm afraid. but it looks that's what i > meant. sounds like a good chance to use a 6/X meter, isn't? could you > write a 2/X or even better a 3/X? yes. but that's the best occasion to > use a 6/X since that's his "raison d'=EAtre". > You've Got To Hide Your Love Away The Beatles Lucky Man ELP Along with Edmond Fitzgerald all have this same feel. =20 > ra=FCl. >=20 > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava > il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de > m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2stie= s!, > no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " >=20 >=20 > Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 00:45:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10A5A3BE91; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pQutYFi+xkYraSkC2+Yn6Wd6TDHctMjhPLAt3WZS5G4=; b=Njtf1EErQ/1invrIkovc9g4DfNwNAqEaRjuy637Nn+gB825m7g7hgOGL1qxMcq6sW4 jahvlMnKy0DY6uSY79K1MPT+n4xCBeBpGdWwIcbfrOaS+5S4iAFF/OClT7KWrgXeD3t7 EdvjWbwuuKvkpjvbVlJMCgtshUA2aFSzhMAyk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=iwiDQrRpp9VpoPwGI07cMjnBS6E3LKI93y088aiQ+Fcsz6rtVlUnNvJRbxrB1b7SBu JxORsB5K5h3soqw2hUkYyJ3A7GkgYIomYLdGVG7ztab4mazcYZzv6htUMkkwhznn6TXi bxIOnd7BodcrsefrAUOa9bPCUjYnHCrZkG5UE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:45:19 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Gordius LG.as LG-M From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:45:19 +0000 (UTC) while awaiting approval from the Gordius yahoo group, i'll ask here. can the cpu in the LG, that looks exactly as the LG-M, be detached from the buttons structure, for easy portability? thanks in advance! ra=FCl. --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 01:35:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAA9A3BE8E; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <33B7BBDD-64F5-4E62-8F8F-1F8C3131B9B1@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:34:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:35:05 +0000 (UTC) two songs that got radio play with odd meters back in the day though not major hits : The Wait and Tattooed Love Boys by the Pretenders The Wait verse cycles measures of 4334, and Tattooed Love Boys goes 4344 in the verse. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 02:03:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC9F13BE8E; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=beJ2mIGnqntlAAwpq/YGjtYtCLOBlSoCAKl6AqmHzs4=; b=hWVCKfd75vGzepkfOX8R5g85OrqSBUFfo7J2jCOqVXkYkBfMY72/5yKTu5rezExxQS rZqTxam7DYPt/v1JJIb2wPXwPcE2SmXP0LR9n9bbqJoP0+UiobDYyBwb6cOnrKfhtTa/ KIFDt6urseYJp7MVJMiL6NFRveHrgBMiF1tx4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YX2r5q0ZDlWJCwFgFA5I8ZB60lfuxCl1aAF8Eb7It9CybvHQXmWKFv0rFHwXmNST6N d1kvIc3aVIBNfOdx5muSh5AqGHF7Vr1sB7cRTI5lPk7uI8Xr9NsF20DdOl6UoOhSr8X4 Yz4zjHqkLFlNjHIj2wPcGxV3XyeaWUtSD0ssU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <33B7BBDD-64F5-4E62-8F8F-1F8C3131B9B1@baymoon.com> References: <33B7BBDD-64F5-4E62-8F8F-1F8C3131B9B1@baymoon.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 04:03:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:03:45 +0000 (UTC) "dange strays" by michael peters (where i've listened that name?:) is a great piece with cool use of different odd meters. any online samples of the trio version, mich? 2010/9/10 William Walker : > two songs that got radio play with odd meters back in the day though not > major hits : > =A0The Wait and Tattooed Love Boys by the Pretenders > =A0The Wait verse =A0cycles measures of 4334, =A0and Tattooed Love Boys g= oes 4344 > in the verse. > Bill > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 05:01:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 581593BE8F; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <4C88120E.7050007@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:01:47 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <4C88120E.7050007@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:01:50 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 8, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Yeah, wow, how could I have forgotten that famous big seller! > > I count it as 30/8 > divided 7/8 (2+3+3) + 7/8 (2+2+3) 7/8 (2+2+3) + 9/8 (2+2+3+2) > > It might sound like splitting hairs, but the time signature is generally > written according to the phrasing The sheet music reads as 3 bars of 7/8 and a bar of 9/8. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 05:23:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3522D3BE90; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:23:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <20100909200841.A26E7160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:23:22 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <773C27FD-A52A-472F-B735-23B5BECEC0BF@grubmah.com> References: <20100909200841.A26E7160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:23:26 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 9, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mark Showalter wrote: > Again, not sure what you are trying to say here. If I do have a clue, = would you be referring to music in a 2 feel but the rythm is in 3 like = Gordon Lightfoot's "The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald" ?=20 That song is pretty much a straight 3/4. Okay. I think the rhythm guitar = is playing essentially 1 2& 3. There are a lot of pairs of bars that = establish a macro rhythm, but it doesn't feel like 1 2& 3 4 5& 6. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 05:26:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C4E73BE90; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <773C27FD-A52A-472F-B735-23B5BECEC0BF@grubmah.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:25:57 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2A4264E8-E5C4-4C34-99C2-A3E65EAF831B@grubmah.com> References: <20100909200841.A26E7160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> <773C27FD-A52A-472F-B735-23B5BECEC0BF@grubmah.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:25:59 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 9, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > On Sep 9, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mark Showalter wrote: >=20 >> Again, not sure what you are trying to say here. If I do have a clue, = would you be referring to music in a 2 feel but the rythm is in 3 like = Gordon Lightfoot's "The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald" ?=20 >=20 > That song is pretty much a straight 3/4. Okay. I think the rhythm = guitar is playing essentially 1 2& 3. There are a lot of pairs of bars = that establish a macro rhythm, but it doesn't feel like 1 2& 3 4 5& 6. And I've got a picture of me watching the Edmund Fitzgerald go through = the locks at Sault Ste Marie for whatever that's worth. ;-) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 07:49:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 281BD3BE8A; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 491729714/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.211/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.211 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArkBAEyAiUxYbRvT/2dsb2JhbAAHk3vMOoU9BI0S X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,344,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="491729714" Message-ID: <4C89E314.4070404@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:49:40 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius LG.as LG-M References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:49:36 +0000 (UTC) yep, but it'll have ribbon cables dangling out of it. Raul Bonell wrote: > while awaiting approval from the Gordius yahoo group, i'll ask here. > > can the cpu in the LG, that looks exactly as the LG-M, be detached > from the buttons structure, for easy portability? > > thanks in advance! > raül. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 08:49:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40DA13BE8E; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 488796576/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.211/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.211 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArkBAFOOiUxYbRvT/2dsb2JhbAAHk3vLcoU9BI0S X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,345,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="488796576" Message-ID: <4C89F12D.6010105@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:49:49 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LG-M & FCB1010, eprom? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:49:45 +0000 (UTC) it's a different chip, which you'll get with the LG Raul Bonell wrote: > does anybody know if the UnO eprom is the one that allows > bidirectional communication between the lg-m and the fcb-1010 or is > another chip? > > thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 10:06:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9AAF3BE8F; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fZuNx6fHpCAJ3Z0YgVA/fnJ1VIjqEaNspZOqib+sSVI=; b=p7j2noreOzLCNjCsRTKOxGNI7CiP22SKyKGG5HaNFUgAxg9jW2SxiUIKbrzOGzIhBp T2KLMMNu4DiAuRuhKo0l+BdtrPhg46ZbYwAUXFDu0ziULnInZfMydZoaOvVDK/PukCO8 XjcfLBPC82Qk9iisS21mj+KHifteQ9IM17yGo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=VzcedsiWgJUI9Ffn+GAb2t8fTt2lWhuQl3yU7MBeXwzNMQE3WvEJ0woerO92o9cMEC hc0PoPkg276MWxIZYluGmfHdjTPgLQO+XTLwWE6KdPmEZ6HFRdfMmAFxamVGePsfmC/F q4wI9nFmI+2+VMz+pVIP72kaBN3jLStyZNMEA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:06:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Questions regarding Gordius LG2 MIDI pedalboard From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:06:07 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:25 AM, William Walker wrote: > First off, I believe you need to use the editor librarian to program the ext > switch functions. I may be wrong. You are perfectly right, Bill! I just had it confirmed by the manufacturer that manual programming of the pedal is obsolete. Even though the manual menus let you define the setup for external switches your (manual) settings are simply not detected by the pedal. You really have to use the editor software and for now only a Windows version of that is available. For a musician touring without a laptop, or with a Mac OS pc, this is important to know. Myself I have a Mac OS laptop as part of my instrumentation so I will look into options for putting back my Windows XP Bootcamp partition (maybe on a USB stick?). Before buying the LG2 I read everything at the web site, the manual and other PDFs but I still missed the information about manual programming not working properly. The LG2 is still a great piece of gear and I see no equally powerful alternative on the market, so I don't regret buying it at this "bad time". Great things for the LG2 is in the pipeline for the future; new firmware and Mac OS version of the editor. I think it is good that the manufacturer is sharing these plans and explaining in public that they are holding back on the upgrade release for the sake of securing stability in the final product (...can't help about thinking about the SoftStep that announced shipping by June and then just disappeared in silence). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 12:47:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4880B3BE8B; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:47:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C8A28E7.8090802@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:47:35 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Macintosh/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #701 for September 9, 2010. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <833KK.A.TdE.rjiiMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:47:39 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/100909.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #701 September 9, 2010. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight was preempted by a live, in-studio concert by Modulator ESP who will appear at the electro-music 2010 festival. The festival is in Huguenot, NY, this weekend, Friday, September 10 through Sunday, September 12. Modulator ESP: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#sep Events: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Deborah Martin The Strength of Deep Roots, Hidden Water Stones (Spotted Peccary) xeroid entity Light Dream Slowly Clouds of Dust (electro-music) Chuck Van Zyl Beyond the Known The Relic (Centaur) Horizon Blow Up Hollywood Areal Drift Take Flight (none) Harold Rimms Dividing By Zero Blue Moon of Capricorn (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Modulator ESP Concert Live, In-studio Concert 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be Marakata. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels ======================================================================= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 14:17:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4CA03BE8B; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:17:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:17:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter X-Originating-Ip: 12.232.29.12 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100910141709.6276A4FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:17:10 +0000 (UTC) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Hamburg > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:25:57 -0700 >=20 >=20 > On Sep 9, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >=20 > > On Sep 9, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mark Showalter wrote: > > > >> Again, not sure what you are trying to say here. If I do have a=20 > >> clue, would you be referring to music in a 2 feel but the rythm=20 > >> is in 3 like Gordon Lightfoot's "The Wreck Of The Edmund=20 > >> Fitzgerald" ? > > > > That song is pretty much a straight 3/4. Okay. I think the rhythm=20 > > guitar is playing essentially 1 2& 3. There are a lot of pairs of=20 > > bars that establish a macro rhythm, but it doesn't feel like 1 2&=20 > > 3 4 5& 6. There is a definite "feel" of 2 as in the 2 measures alternating even thoug= h the song is obviously in three beats per measure. The rythm in each measu= re is so fast that a measure can easily be felt as a beat, hence the "feel"= of a slow 2. This is typical of many songs that use this kind of "feel", w= hich is what I think Fabio was referring to. =20 > And I've got a picture of me watching the Edmund Fitzgerald go=20 > through the locks at Sault Ste Marie for whatever that's worth. ;-) I met a guy while performing in Ocala Florida who called me over after I ha= d finished "The Wreck Of The Edmond Fitzgerald". He told me he was on call = at the Search & Rescue station in WhiteFish Bay when the S.O.S. was recieve= d. He told me that when his ship tried to exit the bay they were encounteri= ng 90 waves & they weren't even able to get out of the bay. He also told me= that the signal only lasted about 5 to 10 minutes before it was cut off & = that the opinion from the guys in the know at the station was that the ship= had probably tried to turn into the storm so it would blow them back towar= ds the bay but the waves were so strong the ship had more than likely been = snapped in half like a twig. This was several years before the ship was fou= nd in that condition. It was definitely a strange moment to talk to this gu= y after having done that song for so many years. =20 > Mark > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 20:31:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 708C63BE91; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PDBPWqXcArdly92NYc2wEZa6KJOnDX6DQ05Wy03xYnM=; b=Cc8TBdKHHpWvQ+TiKgrfwtqNouhcELnJW+bzAaa65ryYXoRjm1DaVedPFr/B9yaMKK uB3ExbGsJLeIJwcEKb6pc1BNXBlG5vXN5FxxRi0iLHXOqbeHsLL4PCREWF0lcylA7s2q 3q0llCf/mhWGxLiZhXeRaqSsXzYNltrlCNLRM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=L7g+snlBIUBGDt/3x6EUW4l2/oO21++XvmlengRspd7zztxXKsChAzNIma2MiQK5cM 2WPln5F+HS6wsoc/HLfsS3OgHdBYBpylt9JYcrcqkG8eFD2HX/ztCIM6ctCrzC9S5E4f nYeS2ffQP/M+fDYO+Sl0fo7Dkq+q7Kd1l2WlI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100910141709.6276A4FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> References: <20100910141709.6276A4FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:31:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba53a0c06e7aa5048feda097 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:31:09 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba53a0c06e7aa5048feda097 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 interesting conversation is funny also how many people feel or count the typical chicago blues is 4/4 though it make sense,drummers also start with the drum sticks counting 1,2,3,4 and not 1,2,3,4,5,6 maybe that was the genuis in chuck berry,mayb he couldnt stand watching the white folks dance 6/8 in 4/4 so he turned 6/8 into 4/4 and named it johnny b. goode:-) Luis On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Mark Showalter wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mark Hamburg > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter > > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:25:57 -0700 > > > > > > On Sep 9, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > > > On Sep 9, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mark Showalter wrote: > > > > > >> Again, not sure what you are trying to say here. If I do have a > > >> clue, would you be referring to music in a 2 feel but the rythm > > >> is in 3 like Gordon Lightfoot's "The Wreck Of The Edmund > > >> Fitzgerald" ? > > > > > > That song is pretty much a straight 3/4. Okay. I think the rhythm > > > guitar is playing essentially 1 2& 3. There are a lot of pairs of > > > bars that establish a macro rhythm, but it doesn't feel like 1 2& > > > 3 4 5& 6. > > There is a definite "feel" of 2 as in the 2 measures alternating even > though the song is obviously in three beats per measure. The rythm in each > measure is so fast that a measure can easily be felt as a beat, hence the > "feel" of a slow 2. This is typical of many songs that use this kind of > "feel", which is what I think Fabio was referring to. > > > And I've got a picture of me watching the Edmund Fitzgerald go > > through the locks at Sault Ste Marie for whatever that's worth. ;-) > > I met a guy while performing in Ocala Florida who called me over after I > had finished "The Wreck Of The Edmond Fitzgerald". He told me he was on call > at the Search & Rescue station in WhiteFish Bay when the S.O.S. was > recieved. He told me that when his ship tried to exit the bay they were > encountering 90 waves & they weren't even able to get out of the bay. He > also told me that the signal only lasted about 5 to 10 minutes before it was > cut off & that the opinion from the guys in the know at the station was that > the ship had probably tried to turn into the storm so it would blow them > back towards the bay but the waves were so strong the ship had more than > likely been snapped in half like a twig. This was several years before the > ship was found in that condition. It was definitely a strange moment to talk > to this guy after having done that song for so many years. > > > Mark > > > > > > > Mark Showalter > Minden Jot! > > myspace.com/folkstone57 > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter > style="border: 0 !important; background: transparent;"/> > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > > --90e6ba53a0c06e7aa5048feda097 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable interesting conversation is funny also how many people feel or count the ty= pical chicago blues is 4/4
though it make sense,drummers also start with= the drum sticks counting 1,2,3,4 and not 1,2,3,4,5,6
maybe that was the= genuis in chuck berry,mayb he couldnt stand watching the white folks dance= 6/8 in 4/4 so he turned 6/8 into 4/4 and named it johnny b. goode:-)
Luis




On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at = 4:17 PM, Mark Showalter <folkstone57@operamail.com> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Hamburg <mark@grubma= h.com>
> To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter
> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:25:57 -0700
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote:
>
> > On Sep 9, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mark Showalter wrote:
> >
> >> Again, not sure what you are trying to say here. If I do have= a
> >> clue, would you be referring to music in a 2 feel but the ryt= hm
> >> is in 3 like Gordon Lightfoot's "The Wreck Of The Ed= mund
> >> Fitzgerald" ?
> >
> > That song is pretty much a straight 3/4. Okay. I think the rhythm=
> > guitar is playing essentially 1 2& 3. There are a lot of pair= s of
> > bars that establish a macro rhythm, but it doesn't feel like = 1 2&
> > 3 4 5& 6.

There is a definite "feel" of 2 as in the 2 measures altern= ating even though the song is obviously in three beats per measure. The ryt= hm in each measure is so fast that a measure can easily be felt as a beat, = hence the "feel" of a slow 2. This is typical of many songs that = use this kind of "feel", which is what I think Fabio was referrin= g to.

> And I've got a picture of me watching the Edmund Fitzgerald go
> through the locks at Sault Ste Marie for whatever that's worth. ;-= )

I met a guy while performing in Ocala Florida who called me over afte= r I had finished "The Wreck Of The Edmond Fitzgerald". He told me= he was on call at the Search & Rescue station in WhiteFish Bay when th= e S.O.S. was recieved. He told me that when his ship tried to exit the bay = they were encountering 90 waves & they weren't even able to get out= of the bay. He also told me that the signal only lasted about 5 to 10 minu= tes before it was cut off & that the opinion from the guys in the know = at the station was that the ship had probably tried to turn into the storm = so it would blow them back towards the bay but the waves were so strong the= ship had more than likely been snapped in half like a twig. This was sever= al years before the ship was found in that condition. It was definitely a s= trange moment to talk to this guy after having done that song for so many y= ears.

> Mark

>



Mark Showalter
Minden Jot!

myspace.com/fo= lkstone57
http:= //www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter
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--90e6ba53a0c06e7aa5048feda097-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 21:19:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6251A3BE8F; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0TAcctsVyjFGplrdnZh1CCB/y+IPMO4xfv8QeQqiyM8=; b=miEn4QpFPFvD1Ko3cuHVs3Xv08ogyU4YUgS5aHoJq749Q5IWM7gJr87gFZYIXuhW9/ r3YrIzyz3gOxnkuQdsFOxUxO6yCVRyzcCMJ/Tl3E9SvkzbW360khhEUq9Gj/Rt7i9MdI EHYO3oz8hqy8kZTHrXSKwjbFdC+UKmrMRn114= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=NiArsVWaEKITRh8dIjRhfBfTxUFnTybCiYJZHywqR6BHeCqjCY1dPx7RUSqofQq4oH GyPHBNDPWbS0OM/+RYFOaFGi4gykB8jSRUck+mWD3MIlL1OEVsJ6myLkl0FgbLJtcdSI WRGQ5I0m/GzI5iFcyyKYsJBZWeiPCOx9fzV3g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <625741.89919.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <4C881373.50200@cruzio.com> <625741.89919.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 23:19:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: (pseudo) American expressions (Was: Abelton Live question) From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d263d2be11d1048fee4bae Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:19:03 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d263d2be11d1048fee4bae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 so are we becoming pronographic with the word fuck? there isnt a better guy that can explain this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTdTvK_d9lQ&feature=related On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:01 AM, wrote: > puritans:-) they are so wonderful and they love pornography, maybe they > even > invented it!!! > Antony > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Per Boysen > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 10:45:37 AM > Subject: Re: OT: (pseudo) American expressions (Was: Abelton Live question) > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > > do we really have to use an asterisk in the word f*ck? > > I love the asterisk and use it for irony! ;-) > > So funny that the asterisk says more than the actual bad word it is > put to represent. > In a logical sense it is of course totally lame to use the asterisk; > everyone knows what it stands for anyway, so it doesn't protect you at > all. I just love it because it is so fucking half-assed! ;-) > > Per > > > > > --0016e6d263d2be11d1048fee4bae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so are we becoming pronographic with the word fuck?
there isnt a better = guy that can explain this
:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DVTd= TvK_d9lQ&feature=3Drelated


On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:01 AM, <antonyhequet@yaho= o.com> wrote:
puritans:-) they are so wonderful and they love pornography, maybe they eve= n
invented it!!!
Antony


----- Original Message ----
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail= .com>
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 10:45:37 AM
Subject: Re: OT: (pseudo) American expressions (Was: Abelton Live question)=

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
> do we really have to use an asterisk in the word f*ck?

I love the asterisk and use it for irony! ;-)

So funny that the asterisk says more than the actual bad word it is
put to represent.
In a logical sense it is of course totally lame to use the asterisk;
everyone knows what it stands for anyway, so it doesn't protect you at<= br> all. I just love it because it is so fucking half-assed! ;-)

Per





--0016e6d263d2be11d1048fee4bae-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 22:10:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABAC13BE90; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C8AACB8.10007@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:10:00 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Polymeter - Polyrhythm - Changing Meter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:10:06 +0000 (UTC) The Marks (Showalter and Hamburg) said: "Again, not sure what you are trying to say here. If I do have a clue, would you be referring to music in a 2 feel but the rythm is in 3 like Gordon Lightfoot's "The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald" That song is pretty much a straight 3/4. Okay. I think the rhythm guitar is playing essentially 1 2& 3. There are a lot of pairs of bars that establish a macro rhythm, but it doesn't feel like 1 2& 3 4 5& 6. And I've got a picture of me watching the Edmund Fitzgerald go through the locks at Sault Ste Marie for whatever that's worth. " this is tangential to the discussion but it just tripped me back through memory lane. Glad you are name checking Gordon Lightfoot. For my 16th birthday, my sister drove me to the Fillmore Auditorium to see Gordon Lightfoot and Canned Heat. It was amazing and formative for me to see the hippies in action on their turf for the first time. (and paranthetically, so sad that 16 year olds are barred from so much music in our culture these days) When Linda Brammer, my first puppy love of my life in 9th grade, broke up with me and walked home after school holding hands with my 1st and only best friend, Bob Murphy, ending a wonderful friendship that had lasted for 3 years I locked myself into my room and played Lightfoots' "Oh Linda" over and over for a couple of weeks. Wow, I didn't realize how bad abandonment could feel. I've always wanted to do a cover of that song for the loop festival. I should work it up. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 22:21:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 783E13BE91; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C8AAF74.3000700@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:21:40 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Luis wrote: "interesting conversation is funny also how many people feel or count the typical chicago blues is 4/4 though it make sense,drummers also start with the drum sticks counting 1,2,3,4 and not 1,2,3,4,5,6 maybe that was the genuis in chuck berry,mayb he couldnt stand watching the white folks dance 6/8 in 4/4 so he turned 6/8 into 4/4 and named it johnny b. goode:-)" The salient reason why the shuffle in the blues is written in 4/4 and not 6/8 from my experience is the presence of the backbeat (the offbeat clapping tradition from the Afro Americans of the African Diaspora on the '2' and '4' of a measure). The dancers dance to the four pulse (every three sub pulses in 12/8) and clap on the '2' and '4'. The shuffle is based off of the 4 pulse in 12/8. Due to the presence of different polyrhythmic feels in West African based musics, musicologists have taken to counting the music in 12/8 but honestly, I think this is inaccurate and they are just trying to be safe and beyond critique from other academics. I've played literally hundreds of hours of west african and caribbean dance classes (Cuban, Afro Haitian and Brazillian) in my life: watching what pulses the dancers dance to is very instructive. There are virtually NO dances from those parts of the world where the dancers emphasize the 3 pulse or the 6 pulse. They WILL make syncopated movements that hit these spots but almost entirely, the dancing is to the four pulse...................a very good case for writing the music in 4/4 in triplet eighth notes and NOT in 6/8. The drummers, on the other hand, are all over the place and frequently will emphasize the 3 and 6 pulses (as well as the 2 pulse which doesn't get mentioned enough) but these are embellishments designed to get the adrenal glands pumping, as happens in all syncopation. My view, however, is in a decided minority amongst academic musicologists (many of whom, I have to add, snarkily, have never set foot in a dance class, let alone played for one). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 10 22:35:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EDF63BE8F; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vySb/u4LV6Vchzb2atPLL9S+Y0rO0TVegEpJol9g3ME=; b=llbAbkLM2+/rULsSGAxrvoiMfhL5C5ExTYQPyGHQET/HLb9LfSnAFILIcN5UY9h1gn 8tNYlje/yOyPHXmUzSs6W17MBz1SwpSjUuYSmkDgTJjL65Az4wn6am5mSJ7ah7RB6b5Z axX80rotSteDf5v4vo3e+HM1SLS3VNo73G7Ns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=j5prk1suhnvCzASPtmrPyAq8Oq+TDur7OPCH0qhtPeEvoD7u5TDDzzJfgUib7OuN8/ N2eUrOe2R7jmzRdeW4KSA+uVCqm5UUxVc/T9TCvondyvKQelN4or7wPyBYe+QoYN5E4u UXELIH+fNuWKe2BeCcaGzHg+dv1QnoU8oX2QU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C8AAF74.3000700@cruzio.com> References: <4C8AAF74.3000700@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:35:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-PA6YC.A.frH.aKriMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Dancing to learn about music would be like drafting to understand architecture wouldn't it? I don't know if that works really, but its late and I tried. Kevin > My view, however, is in a decided minority amongst academic musicologists > (many of whom, I have > to add, snarkily, =A0have never set foot in a dance class, =A0let alone p= layed > for one). > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 08:15:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B3B33BE8E; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 08:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=FFX/bW3qNvDr887LIkwkL67tNEsfGRO7SHJv6OhyJM0=; b=l4Es3Y6dRaoI9vIo8SWP+RRJt8Y5H5EHhDGaDpd/F989VV0fkuKE2L20Oq0pG6eqPe JMChwiQFUA4GlRGIh/SStbEjKG42pX2MWLoaRWO+58aRPCOyPkNIDqWiEhSV2WR3/pSJ kSp3KJDATMPRryG6IJ56+2feupUe/9eYq2LNI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=JlaQesa2/M/6Gz2LaL8rGhBgPKPR0Ftuo9YbBnD9rxc6kMBbDQCX8/a9tmI5JOz5ZA uoazNwtvxSdU4lFvy9vA81oDSZZCbTU/iTt8HuyzBxwl+n5nRvVkr/aOGcN/2XnRJt/p GbM2eiiQ2tNTbErpckEjaREIuWNL0ahysiflI= Message-ID: <4C8B3A88.7020905@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 10:15:04 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBXaWVybm93b2xza2k=?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; pl-PL; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100725 Lanikai/3.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi signal dissapearing... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040000080507080002010809" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 08:15:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040000080507080002010809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You may take a look at the following faq: http://www.midisolutions.com/faqs.htm#List which has some guidelines. Moreover, according to the manual the device can be powered by external 9V DC adaptor. There should be no problem with using an adaptor from your pedal-board. You can make a cable splitter with a plug that fits the merger. Alternatively you can replace the socket in the merger with a one that's boss style compatible. Hope that helps, Michał W dniu 09.09.2010 16:21, mark francombe pisze: > I have a couple of midi merge boxes like this one: > http://www.shreveaudio.com/midiman/merge2x2.jpg > > Now both work fine, I know this cos a little light comes on if I use > them on their own, but NOW, in a slightly new arrangement, I need to > send the midi from one box INTO the other, for some reason the second > one doesnt get the midi, (no light). > > Now Ive never had to use a PSU cable with them before, but is that it? > That the power from midi is being used up on the first box so it cant > power the second? > > So if I power the FIRST box, will the second box be able to power > itself from the incoming midi? The reason? well the second box lives > in my pedalboard, and I dont want ANOTHER wall wart there (for some > reason it hasnt got a standard Boss style socket, looks the same but > bigger.. grrrr) > > > mark > > PS; What on earth does everyone on this list do for a living, I > suddenly realised that Ive got a whole program to export from FCP, > thats 30 video clips, and I havent done anything today, just waffling > on LD!!! better get back to work! > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --------------040000080507080002010809 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You may take a look at the following faq:
http://www.midisolutions.com/faqs.htm#List
which has some guidelines.

Moreover, according to the manual the device can be powered
by external 9V DC adaptor. There should be no problem with
using an adaptor from your pedal-board. You can make
a cable splitter with a plug that fits the merger.
Alternatively you can replace the socket in the merger
with a one that's boss style compatible.

Hope that helps,

Michał



W dniu 09.09.2010 16:21, mark francombe pisze:
I have a couple of midi merge boxes like this one:
http://www.shreveaudio.com/midiman/merge2x2.jpg

Now both work fine, I know this cos a little light comes on if I use them on their own, but NOW, in a slightly new arrangement, I need to send the midi from one box INTO the other, for some reason the second one doesnt get the midi, (no light).

Now Ive never had to use a PSU cable with them before, but is that it? That the power from midi is being used up on the first box so it cant power the second?

So if I power the FIRST box, will the second box be able to power itself from the incoming midi? The reason? well the second box lives in my pedalboard, and I dont want ANOTHER wall wart there (for some reason it hasnt got a standard Boss style socket, looks the same but bigger.. grrrr)


mark

PS; What on earth does everyone on this list do for a living, I suddenly realised that Ive got a whole program to export from FCP, thats 30 video clips, and I havent done anything today, just waffling on LD!!! better get back to work!


--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

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The power range is here in the 1400K system gate area. Comes with all kinds of interfaces (including USB, Ethernet, line and SPDIF audio I/O, MIDI (!), SVGA, onboard TFT and LEDs, and loads of static RAM (1GB - cool for loops!). And with a time-limited license of Altium's "Designer" framework. Seems to fit well into a half-rackspace (or full 1HU rackspace if you choose to do so). Price is ¤295...sooo, anyone interested in doing a Mobius port onto this one? Jeff? ;) Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 13:45:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5518C3BE85; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 13:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 489572247/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.211/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.211 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArkBADIli0xYbRvT/2dsb2JhbAAHlADKYoU9BI0S X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,351,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="489572247" Message-ID: <4C8B87EB.6000005@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:45:15 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 References: <4C8AAF74.3000700@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4C8AAF74.3000700@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 13:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > The salient reason why the shuffle in the blues is written in 4/4 and > not 6/8 from my experience is > the presence of the backbeat (the offbeat clapping tradition from the > Afro Americans of the African > Diaspora on the '2' and '4' of a measure). The dancers dance to the > four pulse (every three sub pulses > in 12/8) and clap on the '2' and '4'. > > The shuffle is based off of the 4 pulse in 12/8. Due to the presence > of different polyrhythmic feels > in West African based musics, musicologists have taken to counting the > music in 12/8 but > honestly, I think this is inaccurate and they are just trying to be > safe and beyond critique from > other academics. > I have a more jazz related perspective. (in a similar vein, and hoping Rick will enjoy this) The salient reason that most jazz tunes are written down in 4/4 (as in "Real Book" aka "Fake Book") is that it's much easier to scribble down, and then just write "swing 8s" at the top of the page, in the knowledge that in most practical situations no-one cares if a note or 2 is misplaced. When I wrote jazz stuff it often had to be in 12/8 simply to avoid a lot of triplet notation with awkward rests in it. I'd then write "4/4 swing feel" at the top, or some such. I'd let the academics have their say about notation, but mostly because notation really doesn't work to define rhythm anyway. Knowing what time sig a piece may be in, or which time sig it *could* be in only gives you enough info to start getting a feel for the rhythm, it's not a "conclusion". If 12/8 makes for the simplest look on page, and is in some sense technically accurate then why would anyone object? The worst thing anybody can do when learning rhythm is to learn notation *before* learning to play by ear. A lot of people do that, and it's commonly taught that way , but it's easy to hear the difference in their playing, and when someone can't play an offbeat without making some physical movement on the on-beat it's easy to see the difference too. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 15:38:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34EAB3BE89; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=PXq2eqVSPArCZTCrXRKkYCZ3OqTBvaGhOZ27aA3YA+4=; b=A+pDdx6I1cAZOongK6o6147Yesbo4fdGs6fmHyhodnSbaWKe3nZQoEdlEDM4LLbonx qsHOPiSLl3T4Q65exXWmjsuqmopBqZM+Q0UuOEUjzosM2mC01MG+gAk1cPbP0geBEXOB hWPD3AL70EALtP5XqBKvqOr+XK2F5jFEhwGm8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=ohgwvEkANjwUs4R3Fm0dI1oBfrymZ2lq4aW48zltTBpMjU1osVkpo7Ydp2CYbe6Zrk Bhoup9SLHUGmLMLujcu+6ys4LfLiTJmKcxCQEuARPPiVdZPQXiOCziRQ3hcMTMfsGqTl FikP9VuKMVbpMkkOZuuUqOzDLXaVLtj1Z2lBg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C8B3A88.7020905@gmail.com> References: <4C8B3A88.7020905@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:38:27 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zKE2oPzAAzUJ1U356u4vjZzqPNY Message-ID: Subject: Re: midi signal dissapearing... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f99e520cb71a2048ffda8de Resent-Message-ID: <3AT4dB.A.-gC.IK6iMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:38:49 +0000 (UTC) --00c09f99e520cb71a2048ffda8de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kinda helps, the only tig is as I already HAVE a working merge box Im not buying someone else, the FAQ you link to does suggest that the power provided by the center midi pin, can be used up on daisy chained devices, t= o myabe thats it... Im gonna try.. its not easy tho, so for some reasome the power in is NOT exactly a Boss style so (but almost.. stupid) so I dont wan= t to chop my power suppley cable to solder a plug , just to find out that THATS NOT the reason... Mark 2010/9/11 Micha=C5=82 Wiernowolski > You may take a look at the following faq: > http://www.midisolutions.com/faqs.htm#List > which has some guidelines. > > Moreover, according to the manual the device can be powered > by external 9V DC adaptor. There should be no problem with > using an adaptor from your pedal-board. You can make > a cable splitter with a plug that fits the merger. > Alternatively you can replace the socket in the merger > with a one that's boss style compatible. > > Hope that helps, > > Micha=C5=82 > > > > W dniu 09.09.2010 16:21, mark francombe pisze: > > I have a couple of midi merge boxes like this one: > http://www.shreveaudio.com/midiman/merge2x2.jpg > > Now both work fine, I know this cos a little light comes on if I use them > on their own, but NOW, in a slightly new arrangement, I need to send the > midi from one box INTO the other, for some reason the second one doesnt g= et > the midi, (no light). > > Now Ive never had to use a PSU cable with them before, but is that it? Th= at > the power from midi is being used up on the first box so it cant power th= e > second? > > So if I power the FIRST box, will the second box be able to power itself > from the incoming midi? The reason? well the second box lives in my > pedalboard, and I dont want ANOTHER wall wart there (for some reason it > hasnt got a standard Boss style socket, looks the same but bigger.. grrrr= ) > > > mark > > PS; What on earth does everyone on this list do for a living, I suddenly > realised that Ive got a whole program to export from FCP, thats 30 video > clips, and I havent done anything today, just waffling on LD!!! better ge= t > back to work! > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > > > --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00c09f99e520cb71a2048ffda8de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kinda helps, the only tig is as I already HAVE a working merge box Im not b= uying someone else, the FAQ you link to does suggest that the power provide= d by the center midi pin, can be used up on daisy chained devices, to myabe= thats it... Im gonna try.. its not easy tho, so for some reasome the power= in is NOT exactly a Boss style so (but almost.. stupid) so I dont want to = chop my power suppley cable to solder a plug , just to find out that =C2=A0= THATS NOT the reason...

Mark



=

2010/9/11 Micha=C5=82 Wiernowolski = <mihalw@gmail.com<= /a>>
=20 =20 =20 =20
You may take a look at the following faq:
http://www.midisolutions.com/faqs.htm#List
which has some guidelines.

Moreover, according to the manual the device can be powered
by external 9V DC adaptor. There should be no problem with
using an adaptor from your pedal-board. You can make
a cable splitter with a plug that fits the merger.
Alternatively you can replace the socket in the merger
with a one that's boss style compatible.

Hope that helps,

Micha=C5=82



W dniu 09.09.2010 16:21, mark francombe pisze:
I have a co= uple of midi merge boxes like this one:
http://www.shreveaudio.com/midiman/merge2x2.jpg

Now both work fine, I know this cos a little light comes on if I use them on their own, but NOW, in a slightly new arrangement, I need to send the midi from one box INTO the other, for some reason the second one doesnt get the midi, (no light).

Now Ive never had to use a PSU cable with them before, but is that it? That the power from midi is being used up on the first box so it cant power the second?

So if I power the FIRST box, will the second box be able to power itself from the incoming midi? The reason? well the second box lives in my pedalboard, and I dont want ANOTHER wall wart there (for some reason it hasnt got a standard Boss style socket, looks the same but bigger.. grrrr)


mark

PS; What on earth does everyone on this list do for a living, I suddenly realised that Ive got a whole program to export from FCP, thats 30 video clips, and I havent done anything today, just waffling on LD!!! better get back to work!


--
mark francombe
www.markfr= ancombe.com
www.ordoabkha= o.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vime= o.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no=




--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancomb= e
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--00c09f99e520cb71a2048ffda8de-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 16:44:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5E0A3BE8E; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 16:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:41:57 -0500 Subject: RE: Mobius in a rack unit Thread-Topic: Mobius in a rack unit Thread-Index: ActRqaNi6AI41t0uTIC4qdto9SiVjgAJFpSe Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC03034A7@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <4C8B7106.6020704@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4C8B7106.6020704@googlemail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 16:44:00 +0000 (UTC) > Price is =80295...sooo, anyone interested in doing a Mobius port onto thi= s > one? Jeff? ;) I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me boils down to the operating system. Besides the big things like how you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file system. It wouldn't really be a port, it would be a 25% to 50% rewrite. If I did this it wouldn't be Mobius as we know it today, it would have to be much more limited. =20 At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. Sorry, Jeff= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 17:45:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 880A43BE8E; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fswlfSQW7W+wrt4WtHt33HJq0rn2l9bYcRflLlSaZiU=; b=efRJMuDb7LhvObDloKd1gWPDKg8aPhNMTvEkDLGoZlcAKXckqFLVuY1r5mGgFN8O0C tpZU5frULGNIBrlJuTSZP2tOlePJmoS8QYZFk/8Oh9RQCqT+4omJfqX4bFckbDtV+t+e NIUZjLA9jFYWa0AGWwKmFU0RJR1FDwccJSe9Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BXvSV7iu8Ey34QUTTvRcna64AichwwglhrcM/+aMC1d3A15I+M6wyQIoF0Y7ryZrLK 65Qdh3f/FM0UFvWB12LCdhioafuGXaYiY60bFDVfqVXpWmNCErhyv2KY1RPY0NDffbww 9NeDizdjzm1ZE37gKY7JbprUL9ss+qTCSw4T0= Message-ID: <4C8BC03B.3030206@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 19:45:31 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: Semi-live looping artist video Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:45:25 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwjPmXl1qqk&feature=player_embedded#! Found this on the matrixsynth blog...what I like here is the combination of prerecorded synthesizer sequences and live loops. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 18:42:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBEC43BE89; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4937 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:42:52 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=p2+AJtORPCqgiIb1GLnEzM38JG/9906BinLiWeI6YUU= c=1 sm=0 a=Em1HGNj2-hUA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=mh+FvEA7I3/2BJh8eSJ0ZQ==:17 a=nom2dQuGRhvGmLlL9wkA:9 a=5-zfpgnTtITeGwQQecQA:7 a=9L4gxk1E4P6Cn4m9wD8JVr0rb04A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=mh+FvEA7I3/2BJh8eSJ0ZQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 173.88.214.139 Message-ID: <4C8BBB68.8060504@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 13:24:56 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 References: <4C8AAF74.3000700@cruzio.com> <4C8B87EB.6000005@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4C8B87EB.6000005@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:42:52 +0000 (UTC) On 9/11/10 9:45 AM, andy butler wrote: > When I wrote jazz stuff it often had to be in 12/8 simply to avoid > a lot of triplet notation with awkward rests in it. I'd > then write "4/4 swing feel" at the top, or some such. > > I'd let the academics have their say about notation, but > mostly because notation really doesn't work to define rhythm anyway. > Knowing what time sig a piece may be in, or which time sig it > *could* be in only gives you enough info to start > getting a feel for the rhythm, it's not a "conclusion". > If 12/8 makes for the simplest look on page, and is in > some sense technically accurate then why would anyone object? But up-tempo swing is usually not very close to 12/8, either. The faster the tempo, the closer the note values get to "even-eighths," and the swing feel is more defined by the placement of accents than by strict note values. Notating fast swing in 4/4 is almost certainly more accurate (and easier to read) than using 12/8. Then there's the whole issue of being fluid with note placement with respect to the beat. Listen to some of the old big bands. You'll hear the ensemble playing so far behind the beat that you think they're dragging by accident, but when everything needs to be solidly on the beat, they're right there. Really, this is simply a part of good musicianship--knowing your idiom well enough to be aware of what the notation doesn't specify. And the point of notation should be clarity; sometimes that means not over-specifying. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 19:30:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF0573BE89; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 19:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=m/s8gtpMstfRsWHmwCITmDA8IIXCK69z1vA8aAIH/TU=; b=SjZsOT4gunXUvWUb/x7MG789gAuNMSwF7www7AXk9Vdc43AEEgnYoEy2OedS/HglPH 6i1NY72NPlaOToX4aevPSNIb8M+y/Yszvrm8o4wwaVoL7XZJQH/03rYYIADfbv6hbIJ3 0TJEZlb6YZ4v7kwhZLWcNAoFyMr+h+bv+50Ls= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=AOqjyRgmMCElWUq4MmxPIK1Hc43XnykZfe3r6idmQWvFOQvhQIFWJXqwUNmAO0pldz 1sd1hTTsR3/MS2tC10rEwM2tVgUAcIsXloUQrXAMOQYSZfWrvgo/zrwSyTK2bc+PHHJ8 BR5J+ZoJTStqChh8DH6davVKtwIPA8KI8Qen0= Message-ID: <4C8BD8E2.1040005@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:30:42 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBXaWVybm93b2xza2k=?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; pl-PL; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100725 Lanikai/3.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi signal dissapearing... References: <4C8B3A88.7020905@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070200070007000909020700" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 19:30:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070200070007000909020700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark, in the list from FAQ you will find interfaces Midisport 1x1, 2x2, 4x4 USB MIDI from M-Audio (formerly Midiman !), which has been reported to NOT provide power through the MIDI port. It means you will NOT be able to power the second merger from the first one. You have to power the second merger separately from an adaptor or from another MIDI keyboard (or anything else with MIDI out that delivers power) plugged to the second MIDI-in. You can try the latter just for testing. You don't have to chop your cables either;-) I was thinking about building a splitter similar to this one: http://www.thomann.de/pl/ibanez_dc3.htm but with a plug that matches the merger socket. (Note that although I include links to someone's products I do not suggest to buy them... they are just for information :) Regards, Michał > Kinda helps, the only tig is as I already HAVE a working merge box Im > not buying someone else, the FAQ you link to does suggest that the > power provided by the center midi pin, can be used up on daisy chained > devices, to myabe thats it... Im gonna try.. its not easy tho, so for > some reasome the power in is NOT exactly a Boss style so (but almost.. > stupid) so I dont want to chop my power suppley cable to solder a plug > , just to find out that THATS NOT the reason... > > Mark > > > > > > 2010/9/11 Michał Wiernowolski > > > You may take a look at the following faq: > http://www.midisolutions.com/faqs.htm#List > which has some guidelines. > > Moreover, according to the manual the device can be powered > by external 9V DC adaptor. There should be no problem with > using an adaptor from your pedal-board. You can make > a cable splitter with a plug that fits the merger. > Alternatively you can replace the socket in the merger > with a one that's boss style compatible. > > Hope that helps, > > Michał > > > > W dniu 09.09.2010 16:21, mark francombe pisze: >> I have a couple of midi merge boxes like this one: >> http://www.shreveaudio.com/midiman/merge2x2.jpg >> >> Now both work fine, I know this cos a little light comes on if I >> use them on their own, but NOW, in a slightly new arrangement, I >> need to send the midi from one box INTO the other, for some >> reason the second one doesnt get the midi, (no light). >> >> Now Ive never had to use a PSU cable with them before, but is >> that it? That the power from midi is being used up on the first >> box so it cant power the second? >> >> So if I power the FIRST box, will the second box be able to power >> itself from the incoming midi? The reason? well the second box >> lives in my pedalboard, and I dont want ANOTHER wall wart there >> (for some reason it hasnt got a standard Boss style socket, looks >> the same but bigger.. grrrr) >> >> >> mark >> >> PS; What on earth does everyone on this list do for a living, I >> suddenly realised that Ive got a whole program to export from >> FCP, thats 30 video clips, and I havent done anything today, just >> waffling on LD!!! better get back to work! >> >> >> -- >> mark francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no > > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no --------------070200070007000909020700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark, in the list from FAQ you will find interfaces  Midisport 1x1, 2x2, 4x4 USB MIDI  from M-Audio
(formerly Midiman !), which has been reported to NOT provide power through the MIDI port.
It means you will NOT be able to power the second merger from the first one.

You have to power the second merger separately from an adaptor or from another MIDI keyboard
(or anything else with MIDI out that delivers power) plugged to the second MIDI-in. You can try
the latter just for testing.

You don't have to chop your cables either;-)
I was thinking about building a splitter similar to this one:
http://www.thomann.de/pl/ibanez_dc3.htm
but with a plug that matches the merger socket.

(Note that although I include links to someone's products I do not suggest to buy them...
they are just for information :)

Regards,
Michał


Kinda helps, the only tig is as I already HAVE a working merge box Im not buying someone else, the FAQ you link to does suggest that the power provided by the center midi pin, can be used up on daisy chained devices, to myabe thats it... Im gonna try.. its not easy tho, so for some reasome the power in is NOT exactly a Boss style so (but almost.. stupid) so I dont want to chop my power suppley cable to solder a plug , just to find out that  THATS NOT the reason...

Mark





2010/9/11 Michał Wiernowolski <mihalw@gmail.com>
You may take a look at the following faq:
http://www.midisolutions.com/faqs.htm#List
which has some guidelines.

Moreover, according to the manual the device can be powered
by external 9V DC adaptor. There should be no problem with
using an adaptor from your pedal-board. You can make
a cable splitter with a plug that fits the merger.
Alternatively you can replace the socket in the merger
with a one that's boss style compatible.

Hope that helps,

Michał



W dniu 09.09.2010 16:21, mark francombe pisze:
I have a couple of midi merge boxes like this one:
http://www.shreveaudio.com/midiman/merge2x2.jpg

Now both work fine, I know this cos a little light comes on if I use them on their own, but NOW, in a slightly new arrangement, I need to send the midi from one box INTO the other, for some reason the second one doesnt get the midi, (no light).

Now Ive never had to use a PSU cable with them before, but is that it? That the power from midi is being used up on the first box so it cant power the second?

So if I power the FIRST box, will the second box be able to power itself from the incoming midi? The reason? well the second box lives in my pedalboard, and I dont want ANOTHER wall wart there (for some reason it hasnt got a standard Boss style socket, looks the same but bigger.. grrrr)


mark

PS; What on earth does everyone on this list do for a living, I suddenly realised that Ive got a whole program to export from FCP, thats 30 video clips, and I havent done anything today, just waffling on LD!!! better get back to work!


--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no




--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no

--------------070200070007000909020700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 20:04:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A01FB3BE86; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 20:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 484234994/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.211/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.211 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArkBAAZ+i0xYbRvT/2dsb2JhbAAHlADMcIU9BI0S X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,352,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="484234994" Message-ID: <4C8BE0C2.6090500@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:04:18 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 References: <4C8AAF74.3000700@cruzio.com> <4C8B87EB.6000005@tiscali.co.uk> <4C8BBB68.8060504@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4C8BBB68.8060504@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8o-JhD.A.k8H.5C-iMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 20:04:09 +0000 (UTC) > On 9/11/10 9:45 AM, andy butler wrote: >> Knowing what time sig a piece may be in, or which time sig it >> *could* be in only gives you enough info to start >> getting a feel for the rhythm, it's not a "conclusion". Brian Good wrote: > But up-tempo swing is usually not very close to 12/8, either. > Then there's the whole issue of being fluid with note placement huh? thought I'd alluded to that, no? > the > point of notation should be clarity; sometimes that means not > over-specifying. Way back my bandleader days I wouldn't have had you in my band :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 21:08:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B5CE3BE84; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C8BEFAD.7060706@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:07:57 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9wiBRB.A.6SB.0--iMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy, Nice points that you make. My feeling however is that the Western perspective which assigns lesser value to rhythm than melody, harmony or lyric (note: if you invent an entire genre of music based on a single rhythm like Tony Allen did when he invented the groove for 'AfroBeat' for Fela Kuti you can't even get royalties from the music...........witness the Amen Break that so revolutionized a lot of sample based hip hop) has a very serious flaw when it comes to notation , and that is that it doesn't have the concept of the 'sub-pulse' To write African rhythms in 12/8 does not give enough information about how the music is felt. The purpose of writing is to give us information. The better the map, the easier it is to understand and the more information it gives us. I also agree with Brian Good's excellent observations and he brings up a very important phenomenon in music, the of 'feel' or 'mole' (pronounced moe-lay) as my Brazillian teacher told me. It is true that the percentage of swing (how late the second 8th note is in every beat) really effects the feel of things. In this case, it can be a more flexible map to write 8th notes with 'swing' over the top of them. However, having played as much jazz as I have in my life, I have to say that i run into more melodic musicians who don't even understand the concept of moveable swing and because so much jazz is written without triplet 8th notes, as it actually IS played at medium tempos, they are really not hip to how much polyrhythmic playing is possible. I've had a lot of jazz musicians take my Rhythm Intensive course and it usually is a revelation to them all the principles of swing and the polyrhtymic nature of the idiom that they've studied for years. I guess in the end, it's whatever floats your boat, but I'm a stickler for rhythmic accuracy as much as is possible with an obviously imperfect system. I will say, however, in the same breath, that Western Notation is a more accurate system (when understood) than any of the half a dozen ethnic rhythmic notation systems that I"ve learned..................though it scares the crap out of traditional ethnic rhythm students (especially white Americans............lol). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 21:10:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 108033BE84; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:10:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=//lIPK6rCShQHoyGA3DokxYHb0EXXZw7KNd04I0zbqM=; b=NV/5O+WETygSDkedfv9CkEljsw8fOBOkQYHQ63kCvN9uNWrYuyzcjSpqiBssI9v233 uzFWqeyNRvFoMKaQJoGYvO8Plqddeqd31EeYRh4LbUPIP/fE2j5ia3T6gpEb1v+YR2ks KvH4Si6SrgryEHAA5BjvojRVDErgscZxH7hUs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QzRy5IZfW/ZS02VwWwGKD91PItQldMJvHchyFwgXObmSjE90Ig/INYYVRluqxZLQly TsiTilvMRtSDi2X2oSHpRdyJia7DL0EBAOh8OGJAbCkPYBbA1iAe8dg5kl6hhvCKIxOl 8/qQ03O7DgNAvIuQIlxQyR2e2yfQjwD4L4LlA= Message-ID: <4C8BF05D.1070101@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:10:53 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit References: <4C8B7106.6020704@googlemail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC03034A7@barq.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC03034A7@barq.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:10:45 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson said (with regard to the Altium NanoBoard): > I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me > boils down to the operating system. Besides the big things like how > you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also > designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file > system. > > It wouldn't really be a port, it would be a 25% to 50% rewrite. If I > did this it wouldn't be Mobius as we know it today, it would have to > be much more limited. > > At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac > versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. > I'd even set the rewrite percentage higher for this, simply because that board is based on a FPGA, not a uC, so (unless you want to convert C/C++ to a HDL, which is possible but rather inefficient especially for that project) we're talking VHDL or Verilog here... I just had this idea because a) this hardware has everything you'd need, b) the "you can't fit Möbius into a rack unit" topic had come up just recently and c) the fact that I assume that something like Möbius (due to its eight parallel engines and a state-machine-oriented logic) really lends itself to be implemented on a FPGA. But there was a reason I neded my originall message with a smileyface...I perfectly understand that you don't want to get into yet another version to support. Yours, Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 22:00:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2417F3BE87; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <9e810140407c08b85d834a0fa70217fc.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> In-Reply-To: <4C8BC03B.3030206@googlemail.com> References: <4C8BC03B.3030206@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:00:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Semi-live looping artist video From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Andr=E9_Donawa=22?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rainer, Thanks for the link. Digging it. Are On Sat, September 11, 2010 1:45 pm, Rainer Straschill wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwjPmXl1qqk&feature=player_embedded#! > > Found this on the matrixsynth blog...what I like here is the combination > of prerecorded synthesizer sequences and live loops. > > Rainer > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > http://barbadosguitar.com/wordpress http://twitter.com/AndreDonawa http://www.andredonawa.com http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 22:28:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DB583BE89; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:27:42 +0100 Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-04.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100911222742.1AE6F1F6904@c-in3ws--03-04.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:28:38 +0000 (UTC) > Hi Andy, > Nice points that you make. >=20 > My feeling however is that the Western perspective which assigns=20 > lesser value to rhythm than > melody, harmony or lyric (note: if you invent an entire genre of=20 > music based on a single rhythm > like Tony Allen did when he invented the groove for 'AfroBeat' for=20 > Fela Kuti you can't even > get royalties from the music...........witness the Amen Break that=20 > so revolutionized a lot of sample based hip > hop) has a very serious flaw when it comes to notation , and that=20 > is that it doesn't have the > concept of the 'sub-pulse' >=20 Hello, I'd just like to point out here that the idea of getting royalties for comi= ng up with a "groove" or "feel" or such like is a very unreal concept. To s= ay the least, it would put the courts into a position that is far worse tha= n what is the norm today. Take Harrison being sued for "My Sweet Lord", whi= ch was ridiculous & almost certainly would not have gone into the courts to= day. Besides, keep in mind that courts are not "esthetically" trained to re= ally be in a position to make decisions about the arts. Plus, there would c= ome a time when one "groove" would start to sound like another & the more t= he lines blurred, the worse the situation would get. And to say the least, = try to explain to a court what a "sub-pulse" is........ Good luck on that one because as a composer/arranger with 8 years as a theo= ry/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still not clear on what the hell a sub-pu= lse is even though several drummers/percussionists that I have worked with = in the past have explained it to me over the years. I feel somewhat like on= e bemused fellow who said after taking a boat trip with Albert Einstein: "After several long explanations from the professor, I am finally able to s= ay that when it comes to Relativity Theory, he understands it well. " BTW, please do NOT try to explain what a sub-pulse is as I have the feeling= it would start a cascade of email arguments that would shut down the world= wide internet! --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 22:29:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CCF73BE90; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:28:55 +0100 Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100911222855.7703E15F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:29:18 +0000 (UTC) >=20 >=20 >=20 > > On 9/11/10 9:45 AM, andy butler wrote: >=20 > >> Knowing what time sig a piece may be in, or which time sig it > >> *could* be in only gives you enough info to start > >> getting a feel for the rhythm, it's not a "conclusion". =20 Huh?!?!?! --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 22:31:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F5093BE8F; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:31:12 +0100 Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100911223112.9A44315F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5lTl6D.A.z6C.4MAjMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Completely agree here, notation is & must be clear & as simple as possible. >=20 > Really, this is simply a part of good musicianship--knowing your=20 > idiom well enough to be aware of what the notation doesn't specify.=20 > And the point of notation should be clarity; sometimes that means=20 > not over-specifying. > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 22:49:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF2943BE8F; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:49:54 +0100 Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100911224954.F3F0E160221@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Now for something completely different..... Must disagree here with a caveat: Any student of music should learn BOTH at the same time, with obviously the= "ear" coming first. Once the student gets an idea of what the musical bit = is, understanding how to notate or read it should follow immediately. Music= is a language just like English or French or Hungarian, all of which I am = learning. I've been a music student for over 40 years, starting out by teac= hing myself how to read music & I wish I had started even earlier learning = to read. There are instances when it would be almost crucial to learn to re= ad a musical bit first, get it into your head ( what I call auralizing ) th= en hearing or playing it. For instance, when I learned augmented sixths, th= ey made absolutely no aural sense whatsoever until I could see what was hap= pening in the music, & even then I still don't have a good grasp of the blo= ody things. Keep in mind this entire comment is directed at "learning by ear", which us= ually is taken to mean that someone can play an instrument but not know how= to read music or doesn't learn until much later. There's also the problem = of how good a person should be learning by ear before beginning to learn to= read music. This would be the same problem as learning Hungarian & having = to wait until a certain proficiency is reached before starting to learn how= to read the language. Not a good idea at all. Also, the assumption that pe= ople who play by ear are better performers or improvisers or have better fe= el is on par with an old wives tale. It's anecdotal & is usually promoted b= y people who also insist that learning music in some way ruins you as a mus= ician, kills your creativity, blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda........ > The worst thing anybody can do when learning rhythm is to learn notation > *before* learning to play by ear. A lot of people do that, and it's > commonly taught that way , but it's easy to hear the difference in=20 > their playing, > and when someone can't play an offbeat without making > some physical movement on the on-beat it's easy to see the difference too. >=20 >=20 >=20 > andy butler > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 11 23:32:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 838EE3BE87; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HFaGpN6DXkYA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=c9eTbBAgAAAA:8 a=2nhGjAOeAAAA:8 a=HSWCTTXAAAAA:8 a=npx5NHmsAAAA:8 a=-KG3j4xFAAAA:8 a=bLmzTDcsAAAA:8 a=3AZ0NFO5YNoVAqMJRX4A:9 a=_myAhzDX5ZQcofWdo04A:7 a=gcZ_M2A9WAJ0Q8mLV0IOXjDuiJgA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=tRksERym6KwA:10 a=DlRPJ1AfLFIA:10 a=7D-7_bLXlE8A:10 a=EPQ08gsTE2cA:10 a=98forKxYaykA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: GEAR SPAM: STUFF I AM CONTEMPLATING SELLING IN THE NEAR FUTURE Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 16:32:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, Don't despair, I am not depressed and giving up music or looping (at =20 least not yet anyway) though it might seem like it when looking at the =20= following list. But I am thinking about selling off any or all of the following gear =20 on Ebay in the coming weeks and/or months to finance my final =20 migration to software processing and some other significant music tech =20= changes I want to make in the very near future. I have not even figured out what I want (or need) to charge for most =20 of these items yet. Selling off a lot of these things will be like selling off or saying =20 goodbye to old friends. So, if your interested, contact me off-list at =20 or call 541-890-6225 =E2=9C=94 2 beige-faced Oberheim EDPs in great working order = (currently =20 with Loop 3 software but I have the chips for Loop 4). =E2=9C=94 2 EFC-7 foot controllers for the above EDPs (these have = the =20 newer black paint job however). =E2=9C=94 2 Alesis Akiras (think rack-mount Alesis Ineko on steroids = with =20 MIDI) =E2=9C=94 A Line 6 M13 with 2 expression pedals =E2=9C=94 A Sustainiac Model C acoustic sustainer =E2=9C=94 A Boss DD-20 (most underrated looping box on the market) =E2=9C=94 A Boss WP-20G (a Boss/Roland COSM processor for 13-pin GK =20= equipped guitars with a few good tones and sounds ,mostly I use it for =20= a hexaphonic "slow gear" effect) =E2=9C=94 A Devi Ever Dream Mangler (look it up, amazing distortion = pedal) =E2=9C=94 3 Casio DH100 MIDI digital horns (2 working fine and one = not at =20 all, could be for "parts" use) =E2=9C=94 A Lexicon Vortex =E2=9C=94 2 Ebows (one grey one black) =E2=9C=94 A Boss SP303 Groove Sampler and sound library =E2=9C=94 A GK-2 Roland hex pickup =E2=9C=94 A GK-3 Roland hex pickup =E2=9C=94 3 P-90 pickups (neck, middle and bridge set) =E2=9C=94 A Furman rack power supply =E2=9C=94 One Odyssey 5-space rack bag (deep) =E2=9C=94 One Odyssey 2-space rack bag (shallow) =E2=9C=94 A tobacco sunburst Jay Turser JT-RES acoustic-electric = thin-=20 body resonator guitar (great for slide guitar) - with padded gig bag =E2=9C=94 A figured Maple top blonde JTLT DELUXE Tele Copy Electric =20= Guitar with gold hardware (among the nicest Teles I have EVER played) =20= - with padded gig bag =E2=9C=94 A tobacco sunburst Jay Turser JTSFM Surmaster guitar = (think =20 bastard guitar child of a Fender Jazzmaster and a Jaguar) with 3 =20 unique Seymour Duncan custom shop humbucker pickups housed in P-90 =20 sized housings, voices as JB (bridge) '59 (middle) and Jazz (neck) =20 with coil switching on all 3 - with padded gig bag =E2=9C=94 A sunburst Jay Turser Jazz bass - with padded gig bag =E2=9C=94 A Tech 21 Sans Amp GT2 amp simulating stompbox. =E2=9C=94 A LP mini conga =E2=9C=94 An authentic Amazonian Berimbau and 2-3 caxixi. =E2=9C=94 A raku ceramic Udu drum =E2=9C=94 A hand-painted bamboo Digeridoo =E2=9C=94 2 peruvian terra cotta ocarinas (of non-western = pitch/tuning) =E2=9C=94 A short (18") mini "rainstick" This is not a "fire sale." I am not desperately getting out of music. =20= I am just getting too old to own and shuffle so many physical object =20 around anymore. I'd rather have good samples and manipulate the heck out of those in =20 bizarre and creative ways. Those of you who know me will notice that my trusty '77 Gibson RD =20 Artist is not on this list. Someday I will be buried with that guitar =20= (just joking). But I don't plan on parting with it in the foreseeable future. I am also keeping my VG99, GR1, FC300 Lexicon LXP1, LXP5, Vortex, and =20= my '85 Sustainiac Model B, a half dozen EV-5 pedals, 2 Ernie Ball =20 volume pedals, 2 Mackie SRM150s and 2 SRM450s, and MacBook Pro, etc., =20= etc. I repeat, if you have any questions about this stuff, contact me off-=20 list at or call 541-890-6225. If you are not interested, pass it along. Cheers! Best regards, tEd =C2=AE KiLLiAn http://www.reverbnation.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 00:53:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7E9D3BE8A; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 00:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QlEJ5Zm4vhw6od7LfFiVK0sc9UjMDsdcS9t+L+4IJlA=; b=X/xFrGlBndaSZsU/9q127tzgE6bvIaK4LakIP+mVWoo7yW3hQG/bopZKDmAdIweLX7 I8op5QzVxuLxB27BeG3pBleHApK9U/E3Nfh+TQHn9sxM/gzD32Zj/pvrLNNd71FobW5m QLg0Nfk28J3ND2RgJSqn3oQAnx3ZwItTfuAa0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KW6/5rCyhuz3tHXrWDjeWdgoGfdj49DUXIkuGRyDitSeevDrdvJI7j9RQtvxw/nMVF /KeO6EvJUi798ALav6kDnjfuY/UePxNO5tU6LoAUyrRIl2Tkh00t+WTWmvnWT+vGh4Oq rPkDXZJg4mJQBjOm0B0Tn+x0ESN0vCETDmq8U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20100907163114.632453BEA4@arsenic.violacea.com> <7019D8C5-EB60-4946-9623-59384BE316E9@baymoon.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:46:58 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New youtube post From: halim zainal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68f9c84385f4404900551bd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 00:53:23 +0000 (UTC) --0016e68f9c84385f4404900551bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Brilliant. i really enjoyed the progression throughout the song. What tuning did you used on your lap guitar Bill? --0016e68f9c84385f4404900551bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Brilliant.=A0i really enjoyed the=A0progression throughout the song. Wha= t tuning did you used on your lap guitar Bill?

--0016e68f9c84385f4404900551bd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 02:46:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CABF53BE84; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C8C3EF1.7020407@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 19:46:09 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: live looper SHOVELMAN is Yahoo's Video Pick of the Day Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Isaac Frankle (aka Shovelman)'s video is one of Yahoo's video picks of the day on their front page. http://video.yahoo.com/network/100063489?v=8211464&l=100063517 He's already received 80,000+ hits today. It's a really nice tune/video with a strong 'retro' vibe. Congratulations, Isaac!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 03:35:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2236C3BE8A; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 03:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0zKrsVnkwRnmX9PL+Epoh6LGpvNGOsmh/c5jbqj7SJM=; b=gEnBDH2DdYR0ZHRNY1uKQhJQmAkYx4bYKiROR2AZJ4aJ3OpFfBcKHQ3kwY7lF7ljoE 1tzVui4qms+0+npSakNnc9usSUULnmb5y+UiQ+Ml5D3gAf6J3yqHloEquWqZCMfVJDqT WN9d75Ju3NiHm75Z3QOlrzPMP6cjF+KR74JjA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=PkL1Z1am2DOykbBeJMGLFvVxNkW8fY5XqVRdy033uvSwVs4z+A+bWwGmf/iaKSk3h3 WTnAAQv0RGq+NcZePhELz+bXdwPZ2ud0pGdX3cMbGfzbNBdMmktpKczB5Hzx/AgBR1oj iwBM2ky0o6sLLjW7cPAJcRMxzG0i8RlJBfRqE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C8C3EF1.7020407@cruzio.com> References: <4C8C3EF1.7020407@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 20:35:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: live looper SHOVELMAN is Yahoo's Video Pick of the Day From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a45bdb8c1b049007aad1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 03:35:17 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5a45bdb8c1b049007aad1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cool! Nice video! On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Isaac Frankle (aka Shovelman)'s video > is one of Yahoo's video picks of the day > on their front page. > > http://video.yahoo.com/network/100063489?v=8211464&l=100063517 > > He's already received 80,000+ hits today. > > It's a really nice tune/video with a strong 'retro' vibe. > > Congratulations, Isaac!!!! > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon --001636c5a45bdb8c1b049007aad1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool! Nice video!

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at= 7:46 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
=A0Isaac Frankle (aka Shovelman)'s video
is one of Yahoo's video picks of the day
on their front page.

http://video.yahoo.com/network/100063489?v=3D8211= 464&l=3D100063517

He's already received 80,000+ hits today.

It's a really nice tune/video with a strong 'retro' vibe.

Congratulations, Isaac!!!!




--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/artsimo= n
--001636c5a45bdb8c1b049007aad1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 05:26:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3A3D3BE8B; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 05:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 05:26:42 UTC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" X-Originating-IP: 198.144.199.186 User-Agent: Web-Based Email 5.2.30 Message-Id: <20100911221959.b0301655247fe6e0ebcad0bf52b87289.9fdfbff1c3.wbe@email06.secureserver.net> From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: live looper SHOVELMAN is Yahoo's Video Pick of the Day Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:19:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 05:26:42 +0000 (UTC)
At last year's looping festival, I hosted the night that he playe= d and I absolutely loved his performance.  He is bunches of fun to wat= ch.

Bob
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: live looper SHOVELMAN is Yahoo's Video Pick of the Day
From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzi= o.com>
Date: Sat, September 11, 2010 7:46 pm
To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>

Isaac Frankle (aka Shovelman)'s video
is one of Yahoo's video picks of the day
on their front page.

http://video.yahoo.com/network/100063489?v=3D8211464&l=3D100063= 517

He's already received 80,000+ hits today.

It's a really nice tune/video with a strong 'retro' vibe.

Congratulations, Isaac!!!!

 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 07:53:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 443D93BE89; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:58:35 +1200 From: G Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:53:39 +0000 (UTC) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit =46rom: Rainer Straschill Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:10:53 +0200 > >Jeff Larson said (with regard to the Altium NanoBoard): >> I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me >> boils down to the operating system. Besides the big things like how >> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also >> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file >> system. 8< >> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac >> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. >> =20 8<=20 >I just had this idea because a) this hardware has everything you'd need,= =20 >b) the "you can't fit M=F6bius into a rack unit" topic had come up just=20 >recently and c) the fact that I assume that something like M=F6bius (due= =20 >to its eight parallel engines and a state-machine-oriented logic) really= =20 >lends itself to be implemented on a FPGA. > >But there was a reason I neded my originall message with a=20 >smileyface...I perfectly understand that you don't want to get into yet=20 >another version to support. > >Yours, > > Rainer Hi Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop or pc into a rack is something I'm pondering. I missed the earlier thread. In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers are housed in 19" racks. I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC case installing an adequate computer into it. I've yet to look into the keyboard/mouse/monitor. -- G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 09:34:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A96A03BE86; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 484568911/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.211/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.211 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah8CAN47jExYbRvT/2dsb2JhbAAHlALKKIVABI0a X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,354,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="484568911" Message-ID: <4C8C9E99.9050803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:34:17 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 References: <20100911222855.7703E15F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> In-Reply-To: <20100911222855.7703E15F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:34:08 +0000 (UTC) >>> On 9/11/10 9:45 AM, andy butler wrote: >>>> Knowing what time sig a piece may be in, or which time sig it >>>> *could* be in only gives you enough info to start >>>> getting a feel for the rhythm, it's not a "conclusion". Mark Showalter wrote: > > Huh?!?!?! > :-) yep, I'm gonna stick with that one andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 10:11:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A49113BE89; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 165539.11296.bm@omp121.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284286274; bh=CipjoCUbsYF63koSLXYF4/5uVE9MLg4TMMHv45f3hm4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P5JPOUxUjXmbcGgTs9nbTHu7WfExh5OderoqpEkY686Kik7NUchj6cL/wA8iUQCeQU/eL64zlcmLGVWGxoITDIVCUWjdPioMpytx9hnN5BOiwXj7pcTtRSisnYYLJ2u+vspgEuXcbnBfqf1OKpvCJa2mpE/K6ytrlzFAOhYydVE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XSalGqd9g0ncwlG4YrF0K9VXzc946S0xOb54pNDe0zE34L6ub/6A3lVytzXH9jD9rClKD+NjMcrPoUDv9Q6s6+/1eec81/o1BiCdiIlW4FtjceYadpJNjP5i2D+SQDC/LOtBCgLpiQ06vHopqZDDLU4AWnaT+I1R9mM4xKq9hNI=; Message-ID: <86649.12915.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7Pu_mK0VM1n1gVCgxgQHFWXN1BcPETqaxh8NIPEdOxVlxHs WUD7jCQM1caZ5irv6X6RHnthk3OmpDu4YUHWZLSoHS9VoymKsVw7iLSMJAYJ DuO73saNfe2t9zUfUd8Z7Ql0QaMtALe2OiooA28kbBqua54BGX4bPbCephsx EljNRpJ2JdcC0cwVfE.zjV75POR5N75NZmrl.iykdOEw6sBn1ZWuJgN29WY6 .4jhV7aOAGCe1q6TJNaoNdpZ_i8dLyRstFTkSm7JXmIsF5DjeEF_OLlXxn0H E94NKiztFut5yQvrYrStMAnHi7StY.d_Jw1HK1XXa5ZBSeLZzGusDfQKF_49 QtZOQh.fRqJoDMG0y9uiCufyfmkl.YEyoskHfqqI- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <20100911222742.1AE6F1F6904@c-in3ws--03-04.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 03:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100911222742.1AE6F1F6904@c-in3ws--03-04.sv2.lotuslive.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:11:18 +0000 (UTC) hey let's shut down the world wide net: what is a sub pulse? Does anyone have one I could look at:-) Antony Hequet ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Showalter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:27:42 AM Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 > Hi Andy, > Nice points that you make. > > My feeling however is that the Western perspective which assigns > lesser value to rhythm than > melody, harmony or lyric (note: if you invent an entire genre of > music based on a single rhythm > like Tony Allen did when he invented the groove for 'AfroBeat' for > Fela Kuti you can't even > get royalties from the music...........witness the Amen Break that > so revolutionized a lot of sample based hip > hop) has a very serious flaw when it comes to notation , and that > is that it doesn't have the > concept of the 'sub-pulse' > Hello, I'd just like to point out here that the idea of getting royalties for coming up with a "groove" or "feel" or such like is a very unreal concept. To say the least, it would put the courts into a position that is far worse than what is the norm today. Take Harrison being sued for "My Sweet Lord", which was ridiculous & almost certainly would not have gone into the courts today. Besides, keep in mind that courts are not "esthetically" trained to really be in a position to make decisions about the arts. Plus, there would come a time when one "groove" would start to sound like another & the more the lines blurred, the worse the situation would get. And to say the least, try to explain to a court what a "sub-pulse" is........ Good luck on that one because as a composer/arranger with 8 years as a theory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still not clear on what the hell a sub-pulse is even though several drummers/percussionists that I have worked with in the past have explained it to me over the years. I feel somewhat like one bemused fellow who said after taking a boat trip with Albert Einstein: "After several long explanations from the professor, I am finally able to say that when it comes to Relativity Theory, he understands it well. " BTW, please do NOT try to explain what a sub-pulse is as I have the feeling it would start a cascade of email arguments that would shut down the world wide internet! -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 14:31:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BD193BE87; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 596144.89806.bm@omp112.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284301914; bh=sfWz8mDdbXHWrAu76NLnwGOFArYoFWW22HOF7VqEGSo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eI+BRAXPKdfO/dLVVVjlv6cCyPSH7qpBScLkwsasG1DMAaTE8hFDJgTK+GsUd4eTrUqYewcLeKNKVljoKBdAPoxsfPfZfnhWSEMsqddkGpfUw69U6io83Eq3cwvhFmp/oY9lCJtCLHDQIV9SQjhDjV4T+QPFT3uVzLn+0LZZf/g= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M7Z2fE1iZqAySorzjZ8DDFXHYnttAM2oYz+gs1PCiiEkM+yzOucotdRT5atyUU7supFDdDrubCnZtDN+p4Q2Fh2n+65J5Fxyvc+8m5AOpL5/rUHa2BAd3ExiJFcCPvAo8fyJzLKdrX/j5CifFzLnWEFBdYYOXhENgCpc5H82TJ4=; Message-ID: <494329.60881.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TLJjEXUVM1nINZQdi02aDC3kA.2zgpc.AohbW623O9OZBOk LXbyi9jDcUDGDkgTPUCoBCqcrMrGaFNzGaS43U508znfLEog2yJZ8.nyngVC 0.rVtZGI4zF2q48DdhQ.FBV42lVDIPwtFuyz.z2S3gV930X2LvxshhtxOo2w pc_qLapw8MYn9aj3OSyyVM.sRjkHhiwZgOxaIwzs9ArKGyFpcIRjhgg.HkDR GRtS1Sy08VwItowNCOnfzkl1mPQ2pWNwdO4tc2pZEySMW6ktV_OpYfr1MFB6 f1xWNfNPruPA3yYImG6fe8fZKAMkDKsEIaUqZA3HiJRH8aGHQCxJiPQLtWhg - X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <4C8C3EF1.7020407@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:31:54 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: live looper SHOVELMAN is Yahoo's Video Pick of the Day To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4C8C3EF1.7020407@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) what=B4s he playing, is this a home made stick guitar=0AAntony=0A=0A----- O= riginal Message ----=0AFrom: Rick Walker =0ATo: LOOPER= S DELIGHT (posting) =0ASent: Sun, Sept= ember 12, 2010 4:46:09 AM=0ASubject: live looper SHOVELMAN is Yahoo's Vide= o Pick of the Day=0A=0AIsaac Frankle (aka Shovelman)'s video=0Ais one of Ya= hoo's video picks of the day=0Aon their front page.=0A=0Ahttp://video.yahoo= .com/network/100063489?v=3D8211464&l=3D100063517=0A=0AHe's already received= 80,000+ hits today.=0A=0AIt's a really nice tune/video with a strong 'retr= o' vibe.=0A=0ACongratulations, Isaac!!!!=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 14:39:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADA0C3BE89; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5FNQ8AjJhjMWbVT0+30n+poWOCW2InOxtGU4feMBbRU=; b=vUFvZI42ZoY0zPEWxde14W4a7/N02HHFuRlHd1AWRsloncl5ldNytpFkGd2OERALN2 LgtU3c5ssfYvmhHfxY/kuMDl72eUIhKNpDwFv4UK+Gk3/h0BXzY8veVkT/In3n97YXqj BHJx+jpb6jQ1LBsHa9N/gBp8e4IHVbg6H7s1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hVsTN205p7sUzd97I+YSK+5yJUkTjddzlmcpces9LSg+IGCcslqm95Q8gBFe7QY6rB wSNATm0UxAiYu3as941fxsiY7Nr2CUa0ncgxEBOe4C5G8DGKisBzKxSwRCnG9eXYWaLD 9aoPIdcrWeHGCPk5Evm02ie1yuNH5nzdFqgSY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:39:02 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5ad7be7de4c049010f030 Resent-Message-ID: <_6UdrC.A.otE.HYOjMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:39:03 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5ad7be7de4c049010f030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've toyed with the idea of building a rack mount music computer. I especially like the idea of built-in touchscreen, so you wouldn't need to have a keyboard and monitor on stage. Here's an example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811321006&Tpk=3DRPC= -919T What's kept me from doing it is that most of the rack mount server cases ar= e too deep for the typical musicians 19" flight case, and while it would be portable, it would be awkward and heavy to carry. Also, the costs start to add up. A laptop seems much more cost effective, unless you already have a good desktop and just want to transfer it to a new case. The alienware M11x is slightly larger than a netbook and costs under $1000. It could make a very portable and unobtrusive music laptop. http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/alienware-m11x/pd.aspx?refid=3Dali= enware-m11x&cs=3D19&s=3Ddhs On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:58 AM, G wrote: > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit > From: Rainer Straschill > Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:10:53 +0200 > > > >Jeff Larson said (with regard to the Altium NanoBoard): > >> I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me > >> boils down to the operating system. Besides the big things like how > >> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also > >> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file > >> system. > 8< > >> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac > >> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. > >> > 8< > >I just had this idea because a) this hardware has everything you'd need, > >b) the "you can't fit M=F6bius into a rack unit" topic had come up just > >recently and c) the fact that I assume that something like M=F6bius (due > >to its eight parallel engines and a state-machine-oriented logic) really > >lends itself to be implemented on a FPGA. > > > >But there was a reason I neded my originall message with a > >smileyface...I perfectly understand that you don't want to get into yet > >another version to support. > > > >Yours, > > > > Rainer > > Hi > Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop or pc into a rack > is something I'm pondering. I missed the earlier thread. > In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers are housed in 19" racks. > I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC case installing an adequate > computer into it. I've yet to look into the keyboard/mouse/monitor. > -- G. > > --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon --001636c5ad7be7de4c049010f030 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've toyed with the idea of building a rack mount music computer. I esp= ecially like the idea of built-in touchscreen, so you wouldn't need to = have a keyboard and monitor on stage. Here's an example:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811321= 006&Tpk=3DRPC-919T

What's kept me from doing it is that most of the rack mount server = cases are too deep for the typical musicians 19" flight case, and whil= e it would be portable, it would be awkward and heavy to carry. Also, the c= osts start to add up. A laptop seems much more cost effective, unless you a= lready have a good desktop and just want to transfer it to a new case. The = alienware M11x is slightly larger than a netbook and costs under $1000. It = could make a very portable and unobtrusive music laptop.

http://www.dell.com/us/= en/home/notebooks/alienware-m11x/pd.aspx?refid=3Dalienware-m11x&cs=3D19= &s=3Ddhs

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:58 AM, G <gigs@paradise.net.nz<= /a>> wrote:
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit
From: Rainer Straschill <moi= nsound@googlemail.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:10:53 +0200
>
>Jeff Larson said (with regard to the Altium NanoBoard):
>> I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them = for me
>> boils down to the operating system. =A0Besides the big things like= how
>> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was al= so
>> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a fil= e
>> system.
8<
>> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep = the Windows and Mac
>> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen.
>>
8<
>I just had this idea because a) this hardware has eve= rything you'd need,
>b) the "you can't fit M=F6bius into a rack unit" topic ha= d come up just
>recently and c) the fact that I assume that something like M=F6bius (du= e
>to its eight parallel engines and a state-machine-oriented logic) reall= y
>lends itself to be implemented on a FPGA.
>
>But there was a reason I neded my originall message with a
>smileyface...I perfectly understand that you don't want to get into= yet
>another version to support.
>
>Yours,
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Rainer

Hi
Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop or pc into a rack
is something I'm pondering. =A0I missed the earlier thread.
In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers are housed in 19" racks= .
I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC case installing an adequate computer into it. =A0I've yet to look into the keyboard/mouse/monitor.<= br> -- G.




--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/= artsimon
--001636c5ad7be7de4c049010f030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 14:41:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96A513BE85; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:41:31 +0100 Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100912144131.0EE144FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:41:32 +0000 (UTC) > >=20 > hey let's shut down the world wide net: what is a sub pulse? Does anyone = have > one I could look at:-) Of you can go look at one. First, go to the nearest ocean. Second, find a sub. Third, follow it around, preferably several miles underwater because it's e= asier to see pulses way down there. Let us all know when you see one. =20 > Antony Hequet >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mark Showalter > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:27:42 AM > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 >=20 >=20 > > Hi Andy, > > Nice points that you make. > > > > My feeling however is that the Western perspective which assigns=20 > > lesser value to rhythm than > > melody, harmony or lyric (note: if you invent an entire genre of=20 > > music based on a single rhythm > > like Tony Allen did when he invented the groove for 'AfroBeat'=20 > > for Fela Kuti you can't even > > get royalties from the music...........witness the Amen Break=20 > > that so revolutionized a lot of sample based hip > > hop) has a very serious flaw when it comes to notation , and=20 > > that is that it doesn't have the > > concept of the 'sub-pulse' > > > Hello, >=20 > I'd just like to point out here that the idea of getting royalties=20 > for coming up > with a "groove" or "feel" or such like is a very unreal concept. To say t= he > least, it would put the courts into a position that is far worse than wha= t is > the norm today. Take Harrison being sued for "My Sweet Lord", which was > ridiculous & almost certainly would not have gone into the courts today. > Besides, keep in mind that courts are not "esthetically" trained to=20 > really be in > a position to make decisions about the arts. Plus, there would come=20 > a time when > one "groove" would start to sound like another & the more the lines=20 > blurred, the > worse the situation would get. And to say the least, try to explain to a = court > what a "sub-pulse" is........ > Good luck on that one because as a composer/arranger with 8 years as a > theory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still not clear on what the hell a > sub-pulse is even though several drummers/percussionists that I=20 > have worked with > in the past have explained it to me over the years. I feel somewhat like = one > bemused fellow who said after taking a boat trip with Albert Einstein: >=20 > "After several long explanations from the professor, I am finally able to= say > that when it comes to Relativity Theory, he understands it well. " >=20 > BTW, please do NOT try to explain what a sub-pulse is as I have the feeli= ng it > would start a cascade of email arguments that would shut down the world w= ide > internet! >=20 > -- > _______________________________________________ > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 14:44:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 695F43BE87; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 708473.47892.bm@omp120.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284302695; bh=b4T2TRf8CMOiyACcpi1q9SLH5eLdNjwf2ZaEDtiU7Nw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5cu8ilvZZeKtPl7gI2xsWhKgyQCXBdnuLs2w7Y+vq+6x5nPGurwUMYUr9j0SC7fiRzb31ZtnfBeKIlx7msPGg9OBwNf6lmfA4ORRdBWMmDBwAFNrBR0exC977zHYWosxZMphZ0z5/qUzKQyHsmVe7W44nHHKGU1zRHE/9WXTNrg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=woyAZQFiPUbe96kfacANGqv3/7EgYRXAC74gqxGyTkzY2IMz0qiKgkc2LVE8oQtNV3//3EQZ+qV1gmFPwTMRlXSNI1QWHUuKyb+iRgKGF59Iie/2Wy4OhQPMoV/gKAkmqmRwYKBwnoSzpZYqfBEEmTE1fDW8r2n0P+ge6mmWX6A=; Message-ID: <444193.21751.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 4PR0Sw0VM1nRUmuLMIiOEA62CrMfDMKSWllRvvmfmF0MUM2 YMEmUwofaCass9uN1DSSi3euU2UvK2VxqfCeLnnuWjmOsqcvfpPR_pfZTAnZ C7XPcSJsW9gUDgEcDsRmrjC.pntzZJKESxHfdXNXQqT.FmyDiIGn_ReCPmeR yxc5AQrrO8zG3uFgMHXu2_lFGoZpxQq1z36Oe4PSGa63cYqRh5cXfHKKhhqq pqa0r3u2VOszMrBXxQHkXQVOeIZTjagkf98yLMMVeSNN9kx7cfqkSUz02sdw 7QTJFfve1Nq9hamwg2oQ0JRUClbVLibU9gD29x16imkOgNF4bFRrSA4UwtYe 23ygoHZxrjD3HZXI21wI7ew4- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <20100912144131.0EE144FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:44:54 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100912144131.0EE144FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:44:56 +0000 (UTC) ok Mark I m taking a chamanic trip to the ocean right now, I ll let yi=F3u = know =0Awhat I see feel and hear.=0A=0AAntony=0A=0A=0A----- Original Messag= e ----=0AFrom: Mark Showalter =0ATo: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Sun, September 12, 2010 4:41:31 PM=0ASubje= ct: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A=0A= =0A>=0A> =0A> hey let's shut down the world wide net: what is a sub pulse? = Does anyone have=0A> one I could look at:-)=0A=0AOf you can go look at one.= First, go to the nearest ocean.=0A=0ASecond, find a sub.=0A=0AThird, follo= w it around, preferably several miles underwater because it's easier =0Ato = see pulses way down there.=0A=0ALet us all know when you see one.=0A=0A> An= tony Hequet=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> ----- Original Message ----=0A> From: M= ark Showalter =0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com=0A> Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:27:42 AM=0A> Subject: Re: O= T West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A> =0A> =0A> = > Hi Andy,=0A> > Nice points that you make.=0A> >=0A> > My feeling howeve= r is that the Western perspective which assigns =0A> > lesser value to rhyt= hm than=0A> > melody, harmony or lyric (note: if you invent an entire genr= e of =0A> > music based on a single rhythm=0A> > like Tony Allen did when h= e invented the groove for 'AfroBeat' =0A> > for Fela Kuti you can't even=0A= > > get royalties from the music...........witness the Amen Break =0A> > th= at so revolutionized a lot of sample based hip=0A> > hop) has a very serio= us flaw when it comes to notation , and =0A> > that is that it doesn't have= the=0A> > concept of the 'sub-pulse'=0A> >=0A> Hello,=0A> =0A> I'd just li= ke to point out here that the idea of getting royalties =0A> for coming up= =0A> with a "groove" or "feel" or such like is a very unreal concept. To sa= y the=0A> least, it would put the courts into a position that is far worse = than what is=0A> the norm today. Take Harrison being sued for "My Sweet Lor= d", which was=0A> ridiculous & almost certainly would not have gone into th= e courts today.=0A> Besides, keep in mind that courts are not "esthetically= " trained to =0A> really be in=0A> a position to make decisions about the a= rts. Plus, there would come =0A> a time when=0A> one "groove" would start t= o sound like another & the more the lines =0A> blurred, the=0A> worse the s= ituation would get. And to say the least, try to explain to a court=0A> wha= t a "sub-pulse" is........=0A> Good luck on that one because as a composer/= arranger with 8 years as a=0A> theory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still = not clear on what the hell a=0A> sub-pulse is even though several drummers/= percussionists that I =0A> have worked with=0A> in the past have explained = it to me over the years. I feel somewhat like one=0A> bemused fellow who sa= id after taking a boat trip with Albert Einstein:=0A> =0A> "After several l= ong explanations from the professor, I am finally able to say=0A> that when= it comes to Relativity Theory, he understands it well. "=0A> =0A> BTW, ple= ase do NOT try to explain what a sub-pulse is as I have the feeling it=0A> = would start a cascade of email arguments that would shut down the world wid= e=0A> internet!=0A> =0A> --=0A> ___________________________________________= ____=0A> Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way:=0A> Download Opera= 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0AMark Showalter= =0AMinden Jot!=0A=0Amyspace.com/folkstone57=0Ahttp://www.last.fm/music/Mark= +Showalter=0A<= img =0Asrc=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D652= 8EA1E10C1043965108.png"=0A style=3D"border: 0 !important; background: trans= parent;"/>=0A=0A=0A-- =0A______________________________________________= _=0ASurf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way:=0ADownload Opera 9 at h= ttp://www.opera.com=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 14:47:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A88833BE87; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:47:22 +0100 Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100912144722.9FA9F654F5C@c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:47:23 +0000 (UTC) > Hello, Sounds great & enjoy! BTW, watch out for sea lions, they can be vicious!=20 > ok Mark I m taking a chamanic trip to the ocean right now, I ll let yi=F3= u know > what I see feel and hear. >=20 > Antony >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mark Showalter > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 4:41:31 PM > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 >=20 >=20 > > > > > > hey let's shut down the world wide net: what is a sub pulse? Does anyon= e have > > one I could look at:-) >=20 > Of you can go look at one. First, go to the nearest ocean. >=20 > Second, find a sub. >=20 > Third, follow it around, preferably several miles underwater=20 > because it's easier > to see pulses way down there. >=20 > Let us all know when you see one. >=20 > > Antony Hequet > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Mark Showalter > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:27:42 AM > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 1= 2/8 > > > > > > > Hi Andy, > > > Nice points that you make. > > > > > > My feeling however is that the Western perspective which=20 > > assigns > lesser value to rhythm than > > > melody, harmony or lyric (note: if you invent an entire genre=20 > > of > music based on a single rhythm > > > like Tony Allen did when he invented the groove for 'AfroBeat'=20 > > > for Fela Kuti you can't even > > > get royalties from the music...........witness the Amen Break >=20 > > that so revolutionized a lot of sample based hip > > > hop) has a very serious flaw when it comes to notation , and >=20 > > that is that it doesn't have the > > > concept of the 'sub-pulse' > > > > > Hello, > > > > I'd just like to point out here that the idea of getting=20 > > royalties for coming up > > with a "groove" or "feel" or such like is a very unreal concept. To say= the > > least, it would put the courts into a position that is far worse than w= hat is > > the norm today. Take Harrison being sued for "My Sweet Lord", which was > > ridiculous & almost certainly would not have gone into the courts today. > > Besides, keep in mind that courts are not "esthetically" trained=20 > > to really be in > > a position to make decisions about the arts. Plus, there would=20 > > come a time when > > one "groove" would start to sound like another & the more the=20 > > lines blurred, the > > worse the situation would get. And to say the least, try to=20 > > explain to a court > > what a "sub-pulse" is........ > > Good luck on that one because as a composer/arranger with 8 years as a > > theory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still not clear on what the hell a > > sub-pulse is even though several drummers/percussionists that I=20 > > have worked with > > in the past have explained it to me over the years. I feel somewhat lik= e one > > bemused fellow who said after taking a boat trip with Albert Einstein: > > > > "After several long explanations from the professor, I am finally able = to say > > that when it comes to Relativity Theory, he understands it well. " > > > > BTW, please do NOT try to explain what a sub-pulse is as I have=20 > > the feeling it > > would start a cascade of email arguments that would shut down the world= wide > > internet! > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > > > > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mark Showalter > Minden Jot! >=20 > myspace.com/folkstone57 > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter > src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA1E= 10C1043965108.png" > style=3D"border: 0 !important; background: transparent;"/> >=20 >=20 > -- > _______________________________________________ > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 14:50:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D37703BE8B; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 346483.82192.bm@omp119.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284303002; bh=3ff4sCxEQwJG9xXznOi6Pmb349bzsZKV97TSEeV1+Kk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=B4w8KuwahWvktp/Ez6FMszrxvbcNVbNkRzRJkjvPUIh+GGConqoK4E41V6ocsUNLuhnSYRW2wF32Ws/aIzoMGjbvwj+dKqstwndzj65pRE3tYQO8ZKsvd0DyNUzvfFw1m07Np3idL+zwztlIuDs+7j1o/xSszvXhnMNN6kjUF24= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3tZURi/cn0S26GSZvqC4qCO7djEL+UTplQdKmXY6qS4QuHF4KZXMsdVyC1/rlA/vGQrlM/PHpEvvSH15NUj+4kXA8O+ZLXaIryi1ZRRUD1VY03rk+FetpGrxish//hDmFMEi/TxfenS7F8qmDE7Wg6dx7OzoWTBu6aFTKrckD5U=; Message-ID: <148071.15125.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Ve0fa_oVM1knp3f.d_NL1WknxNF4NgxjEdz3kYsSTOwUfLp FCdQy1ZtBdQLR2pJg3.DnESP_rzDNpBHHmwWMdZfx6lTLnAWv8.kd5stlpN. DpvJouxbI3nARJljU4qwHiCpvtyszF.wioLU_TgMbXnlsi56DaRI27owuH7m 60kfhkaJJ72tzXLdFT1CECqi6m1GaJaRFP.XlPpH2uZl5S3_YWu.PP.kI9Uh Nis6zUppNl8n3J6LlcPs0HZxlwuzE.UMi8QGJYAOH_Q7j2GuEmyX5cpj_wtz UePUjXqJJ8LJd9VCtDTh.3p_MXE5wN3VPvmYmH8Ca27SUX4m0uEh9fZY- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <20100912144722.9FA9F654F5C@c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100912144722.9FA9F654F5C@c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotuslive.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:50:02 +0000 (UTC) I am more afraid of mermaids, especially the very young ones...=0A=0A=0A---= -- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Mark Showalter = =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Sun, September 12, 2010 = 4:47:22 PM=0ASubject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/= 4, 6/8, 12/8=0A=0A=0A> Hello,=0A=0ASounds great & enjoy! BTW, watch out for= sea lions, they can be vicious! =0A=0A> ok Mark I m taking a chamanic trip= to the ocean right now, I ll let yi=F3u know=0A> what I see feel and hear.= =0A> =0A> Antony=0A> =0A> =0A> ----- Original Message ----=0A> From: Mark S= howalter =0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com=0A> Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 4:41:31 PM=0A> Subject: Re: OT West= African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A> =0A> =0A> >=0A> = >=0A> > hey let's shut down the world wide net: what is a sub pulse? Does a= nyone =0Ahave=0A> > one I could look at:-)=0A> =0A> Of you can go look at o= ne. First, go to the nearest ocean.=0A> =0A> Second, find a sub.=0A> =0A> T= hird, follow it around, preferably several miles underwater =0A> because it= 's easier=0A> to see pulses way down there.=0A> =0A> Let us all know when y= ou see one.=0A> =0A> > Antony Hequet=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > ----- Or= iginal Message ----=0A> > From: Mark Showalter = =0A> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> > Sent: Sun, September 1= 2, 2010 12:27:42 AM=0A> > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhy= thms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > > Hi Andy,=0A> > > Nice point= s that you make.=0A> > >=0A> > > My feeling however is that the Western per= spective which =0A> > assigns > lesser value to rhythm than=0A> > > melody,= harmony or lyric (note: if you invent an entire genre =0A> > of > music b= ased on a single rhythm=0A> > > like Tony Allen did when he invented the gr= oove for 'AfroBeat' =0A> > > for Fela Kuti you can't even=0A> > > get royal= ties from the music...........witness the Amen Break > =0A> > that so revol= utionized a lot of sample based hip=0A> > > hop) has a very serious flaw w= hen it comes to notation , and > =0A> > that is that it doesn't have the=0A= > > > concept of the 'sub-pulse'=0A> > >=0A> > Hello,=0A> >=0A> > I'd just = like to point out here that the idea of getting =0A> > royalties for coming= up=0A> > with a "groove" or "feel" or such like is a very unreal concept. = To say the=0A> > least, it would put the courts into a position that is far= worse than what =0Ais=0A> > the norm today. Take Harrison being sued for "= My Sweet Lord", which was=0A> > ridiculous & almost certainly would not hav= e gone into the courts today.=0A> > Besides, keep in mind that courts are n= ot "esthetically" trained =0A> > to really be in=0A> > a position to make d= ecisions about the arts. Plus, there would =0A> > come a time when=0A> > on= e "groove" would start to sound like another & the more the =0A> > lines bl= urred, the=0A> > worse the situation would get. And to say the least, try t= o =0A> > explain to a court=0A> > what a "sub-pulse" is........=0A> > Good = luck on that one because as a composer/arranger with 8 years as a=0A> > the= ory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still not clear on what the hell a=0A> >= sub-pulse is even though several drummers/percussionists that I =0A> > hav= e worked with=0A> > in the past have explained it to me over the years. I f= eel somewhat like one=0A> > bemused fellow who said after taking a boat tri= p with Albert Einstein:=0A> >=0A> > "After several long explanations from t= he professor, I am finally able to =0Asay=0A> > that when it comes to Relat= ivity Theory, he understands it well. "=0A> >=0A> > BTW, please do NOT try = to explain what a sub-pulse is as I have =0A> > the feeling it=0A> > would = start a cascade of email arguments that would shut down the world wide=0A> = > internet!=0A> >=0A> > --=0A> > __________________________________________= _____=0A> > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way:=0A> > Download = Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> =0A> = =0A> Mark Showalter=0A> Minden Jot!=0A> =0A> myspace.com/folkstone57=0A> ht= tp://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter=0A> src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignatur= e.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA1E10C1043965108.png"=0A>"=0A> style=3D"bo= rder: 0 !important; background: transparent;"/>=0A> =0A> =0A> --=0A> __= _____________________________________________=0A> Surf the Web in a faster,= safer and easier way:=0A> Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A=0A>= =0A=0A=0A=0AMark Showalter=0AMinden Jot!=0A=0Amyspace.com/folkstone57=0Ahtt= p://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0A____________________= ___________________________=0ASurf the Web in a faster, safer and easier wa= y:=0ADownload Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 14:59:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD3953BE9E; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: live looper SHOVELMAN is Yahoo's Video Pick of the Day Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: David Gans In-Reply-To: <494329.60881.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:59:09 -0700 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1E47DA13-7E8E-4ADA-890D-D89E6674642A@trufun.com> References: <4C8C3EF1.7020407@cruzio.com> <494329.60881.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:59:12 +0000 (UTC) It's an actual shovel. I shared a bill with him a few months ago and = really loved his set. On Sep 12, 2010, at 7:31 AM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: > what=B4s he playing, is this a home made stick guitar David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 15:11:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12C933BE87; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:11:15 +0100 Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-04.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100912151115.CF5461F6904@c-in3ws--03-04.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Hello, I would rather be torn to pieces by an entire pride of sea lions then face = one mermaid ***shudder*** >=20 >=20 > I am more afraid of mermaids, especially the very young ones... >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mark Showalter > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 4:47:22 PM > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 >=20 >=20 > > Hello, >=20 > Sounds great & enjoy! BTW, watch out for sea lions, they can be vicious! >=20 > > ok Mark I m taking a chamanic trip to the ocean right now, I ll let yi= =F3u know > > what I see feel and hear. > > > > Antony > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Mark Showalter > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 4:41:31 PM > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 1= 2/8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > hey let's shut down the world wide net: what is a sub pulse? Does any= one > have > > > one I could look at:-) > > > > Of you can go look at one. First, go to the nearest ocean. > > > > Second, find a sub. > > > > Third, follow it around, preferably several miles underwater=20 > > because it's easier > > to see pulses way down there. > > > > Let us all know when you see one. > > > > > Antony Hequet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Mark Showalter > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:27:42 AM > > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8,= 12/8 > > > > > > > > > > Hi Andy, > > > > Nice points that you make. > > > > > > > > My feeling however is that the Western perspective which >=20 > > assigns > lesser value to rhythm than > > > > melody, harmony or lyric (note: if you invent an entire=20 > > genre > of > music based on a single rhythm > > > > like Tony Allen did when he invented the groove for=20 > > 'AfroBeat' > > for Fela Kuti you can't even > > > > get royalties from the music...........witness the Amen Break=20 > > > > that so revolutionized a lot of sample based hip > > > > hop) has a very serious flaw when it comes to notation , and=20 > > > > that is that it doesn't have the > > > > concept of the 'sub-pulse' > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I'd just like to point out here that the idea of getting >=20 > > royalties for coming up > > > with a "groove" or "feel" or such like is a very unreal concept. To s= ay the > > > least, it would put the courts into a position that is far worse than= what > is > > > the norm today. Take Harrison being sued for "My Sweet Lord", which w= as > > > ridiculous & almost certainly would not have gone into the courts tod= ay. > > > Besides, keep in mind that courts are not "esthetically"=20 > > trained > to really be in > > > a position to make decisions about the arts. Plus, there would=20 > > > come a time when > > > one "groove" would start to sound like another & the more the >=20 > > lines blurred, the > > > worse the situation would get. And to say the least, try to >=20 > > explain to a court > > > what a "sub-pulse" is........ > > > Good luck on that one because as a composer/arranger with 8 years as a > > > theory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still not clear on what the hel= l a > > > sub-pulse is even though several drummers/percussionists that I=20 > > > have worked with > > > in the past have explained it to me over the years. I feel=20 > > somewhat like one > > > bemused fellow who said after taking a boat trip with Albert Einstein: > > > > > > "After several long explanations from the professor, I am finally abl= e to > say > > > that when it comes to Relativity Theory, he understands it well. " > > > > > > BTW, please do NOT try to explain what a sub-pulse is as I have=20 > > > the feeling it > > > would start a cascade of email arguments that would shut down=20 > > the world wide > > > internet! > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Showalter > > Minden Jot! > > > > myspace.com/folkstone57 > > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter > > > src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA= 1E10C1043965108.png" > > " > > style=3D"border: 0 !important; background: transparent;"/> > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mark Showalter > Minden Jot! >=20 > myspace.com/folkstone57 > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter > src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA1E= 10C1043965108.png" > style=3D"border: 0 !important; background: transparent;"/> >=20 >=20 > -- > _______________________________________________ > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 15:14:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C0E83BE86; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <7aa086eeb23971bcda63cf7bf79d28b6.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> In-Reply-To: <4C8C3EF1.7020407@cruzio.com> References: <4C8C3EF1.7020407@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:14:33 -0400 Subject: Re: live looper SHOVELMAN is Yahoo's Video Pick of the Day From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Andr=E9_Donawa=22?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2Vcrl.A.ayF.a5OjMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Really enjoyed his show at the loopfest. People still ask me about the really cool t shirt I got from him. Andre On Sat, September 11, 2010 10:46 pm, Rick Walker wrote: > Isaac Frankle (aka Shovelman)'s video > is one of Yahoo's video picks of the day > on their front page. > > http://video.yahoo.com/network/100063489?v=8211464&l=100063517 > > He's already received 80,000+ hits today. > > It's a really nice tune/video with a strong 'retro' vibe. > > Congratulations, Isaac!!!! > > http://barbadosguitar.com/wordpress http://twitter.com/AndreDonawa http://www.andredonawa.com http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 15:19:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D98DE3BE84; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 286535.26119.bm@omp117.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284304755; bh=URLdNDo8zDVNYc8pM5qtwOLslYrSCOKvIkzb3RgGfAs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iDxpge2jRk/63i420EzjmwQkaD2ymJn//jPspDWtcZ0egC/X++03KWn/sprMOsw8i5nlgZC92D8oWPOQKsjQ33v0JFKfxL1ni9eaYOQIfukttbwAJBIlJWeMpRHmWnI6T/EHuCqjtELJZzjpsQt/AlksbOIJKP4S0q/wmDVEg80= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YihaYAslwuYV7G5UKs0tKHQZJL3zXe0tWm5tlddUVC9ii8fx9EYkBDXKoQgIHqSdNq7QhyK2fpDM5Zn4MieAil6cWhIiIemdb0gepTnfbGLydQds18h4+0Z0G4DBNQpOy3005AXmqbRmuP0MApXBLyS1Lbv7iNcYvdf2E0+r4Yk=; Message-ID: <45490.74877.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gi7KgQIVM1mdPF576fzmx9twNE.HQiuMq4D2FjqijXtD8Yq WmcFCtWTnnbvShU1F4vkhmRrB4tgc2qO7hiuGRAfp8vaEVOubqLePaS9QAth NypAZCslk0hmvIARBp3btlJ.AYpwb_B3dQZNz0EO7SRqWY0x1ZLAdOFLdHVh aDChd7Kal7iK70LxyU5j.8.VB.JopkKeggohtqlQ0a3P_d2EXDqmkxF44BmP VGkjFBYl.PT065tOGa2CYQLHhbymom6uc8QnTQApTauarkCE4XmmcRnHpJ6j LLGtslsuxdrOiSRhYkePZu5FWnRYcJXpx1XOtnHBnmKgKI8oe5HZihkk- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <20100912151115.CF5461F6904@c-in3ws--03-04.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:19:14 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100912151115.CF5461F6904@c-in3ws--03-04.sv2.lotuslive.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:19:15 +0000 (UTC) notice how heroes always go soft when it comes to mermaids and amazons=0Ago= tta love that sub though, enjoying the low pulse, no sea lions, no sea hors= es =0Atherefore no sub aqua amazons...=0Abut I am hearing beautiful voices,= must go and see what it is, will report later =0Aabout these bone melting = sounds=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Mark Showalter =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Sun, S= eptember 12, 2010 5:11:15 PM=0ASubject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspor= a rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A=0AHello,=0A=0AI would rather be torn to p= ieces by an entire pride of sea lions then face one =0Amermaid ***shudder**= *=0A> =0A> =0A> I am more afraid of mermaids, especially the very young one= s...=0A> =0A> =0A> ----- Original Message ----=0A> From: Mark Showalter =0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Se= nt: Sun, September 12, 2010 4:47:22 PM=0A> Subject: Re: OT West African/Afr= ican Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A> =0A> =0A> > Hello,=0A> =0A> = Sounds great & enjoy! BTW, watch out for sea lions, they can be vicious!=0A= > =0A> > ok Mark I m taking a chamanic trip to the ocean right now, I ll le= t yi=F3u =0Aknow=0A> > what I see feel and hear.=0A> >=0A> > Antony=0A> >= =0A> >=0A> > ----- Original Message ----=0A> > From: Mark Showalter =0A> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> > Se= nt: Sun, September 12, 2010 4:41:31 PM=0A> > Subject: Re: OT West African/A= frican Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A= > > > hey let's shut down the world wide net: what is a sub pulse? Does any= one=0A> have=0A> > > one I could look at:-)=0A> >=0A> > Of you can go look = at one. First, go to the nearest ocean.=0A> >=0A> > Second, find a sub.=0A>= >=0A> > Third, follow it around, preferably several miles underwater =0A> = > because it's easier=0A> > to see pulses way down there.=0A> >=0A> > Let u= s all know when you see one.=0A> >=0A> > > Antony Hequet=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A= > > >=0A> > >=0A> > > ----- Original Message ----=0A> > > From: Mark Showal= ter =0A> > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com=0A> > > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:27:42 AM=0A> > > Subject: Re:= OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A> > >=0A> = > >=0A> > > > Hi Andy,=0A> > > > Nice points that you make.=0A> > > >=0A>= > > > My feeling however is that the Western perspective which > =0A> > as= signs > lesser value to rhythm than=0A> > > > melody, harmony or lyric (not= e: if you invent an entire =0A> > genre > of > music based on a single rhy= thm=0A> > > > like Tony Allen did when he invented the groove for =0A> > 'A= froBeat' > > for Fela Kuti you can't even=0A> > > > get royalties from the = music...........witness the Amen Break =0A> > > > that so revolutionized a = lot of sample based hip=0A> > > > hop) has a very serious flaw when it com= es to notation , and =0A> > > > that is that it doesn't have the=0A> > > > = concept of the 'sub-pulse'=0A> > > >=0A> > > Hello,=0A> > >=0A> > > I'd jus= t like to point out here that the idea of getting > =0A> > royalties for co= ming up=0A> > > with a "groove" or "feel" or such like is a very unreal con= cept. To say =0Athe=0A> > > least, it would put the courts into a position = that is far worse than what=0A> is=0A> > > the norm today. Take Harrison be= ing sued for "My Sweet Lord", which was=0A> > > ridiculous & almost certain= ly would not have gone into the courts today.=0A> > > Besides, keep in mind= that courts are not "esthetically" =0A> > trained > to really be in=0A> > = > a position to make decisions about the arts. Plus, there would =0A> > > c= ome a time when=0A> > > one "groove" would start to sound like another & th= e more the > =0A> > lines blurred, the=0A> > > worse the situation would ge= t. And to say the least, try to > =0A> > explain to a court=0A> > > what a = "sub-pulse" is........=0A> > > Good luck on that one because as a composer/= arranger with 8 years as a=0A> > > theory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm st= ill not clear on what the hell a=0A> > > sub-pulse is even though several d= rummers/percussionists that I =0A> > > have worked with=0A> > > in the past= have explained it to me over the years. I feel =0A> > somewhat like one=0A= > > > bemused fellow who said after taking a boat trip with Albert Einstein= :=0A> > >=0A> > > "After several long explanations from the professor, I am= finally able to=0A> say=0A> > > that when it comes to Relativity Theory, h= e understands it well. "=0A> > >=0A> > > BTW, please do NOT try to explain = what a sub-pulse is as I have =0A> > > the feeling it=0A> > > would start a= cascade of email arguments that would shut down =0A> > the world wide=0A> = > > internet!=0A> > >=0A> > > --=0A> > > __________________________________= _____________=0A> > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way:=0A> >= > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> >= =0A> > >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > Mark Showalter=0A> > Minden Jot!=0A> >=0A>= > myspace.com/folkstone57=0A> > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter=0A= > > >= =0A>src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528E= A1E10C1043965108.png"=0A>=0A> > "=0A> > style=3D"border: 0 !important; ba= ckground: transparent;"/>=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > --=0A> > __________________= _____________________________=0A> > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and eas= ier way:=0A> > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A>= =0A> =0A> Mark Showalter=0A> Minden Jot!=0A> =0A> myspace.com/folkstone57= =0A> http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter=0A> src=3D"http://signatures.mylives= ignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA1E10C1043965108.png"=0A>"=0A> styl= e=3D"border: 0 !important; background: transparent;"/>=0A> =0A> =0A> --= =0A> _______________________________________________=0A> Surf the Web in a = faster, safer and easier way:=0A> Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com= =0A=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0AMark Showalter=0AMinden Jot!=0A=0Amyspace.com/folkstone5= 7=0Ahttp://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0A_____________= __________________________________=0ASurf the Web in a faster, safer and ea= sier way:=0ADownload Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 15:29:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72C023BE89; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WgQ8nCrxS6uuuymRr0DS7KINor22NXgVHxNaXUhE6uQ=; b=pz6AzKCkf8f0xCIhf7x4kh3pMnhFJcyHTWx9cxyf4AD0AMT82JnKo4aXNpr4f0LRRT SOn18AK2YY6+zKyC/I7DrmKbc5/IqKOeX0AuD1nbHobDBMR1kVsA+ETnaLI2U0Z4wQvr AgZRi4xsx8zlX6uuic+ASUMt4jJlzZhl+KkNQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=S80cavTeRuoklgjSrxJweOqqGZhNEglFLae5LqX0qmjVjRpfqoODOvElHE6osVyUdO dV/eSHcz55PMF/RXV2hCfVx5yUoN76035jY/vPAsen4svdEYQDgIwKrTAFZ8Xojhb63C /Rn1JCj6RB5bPcoVBzTTrKiLK3XD/8d58CXEU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:29:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151743f87edf023c049011a4cc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:29:22 +0000 (UTC) --00151743f87edf023c049011a4cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i built my own rackmount pc. cost me about 700 bucks and everything came from newegg.com it's 3u high and skb makes a deep shock rack that will accommodate server cases. for the money it's far more powerful than anything you could buy off the shelf. plenty of memory, ram, processor is plenty fast, etc. and i'm not a computer-y person, so don't be dissuaded i= f you feel that you lack the requisite know-how. it's pretty much bone-simple. touch screens are dope and all but hp makes a slide-out keyboard/monitor combo that works great. i'm typing on it right now, actually. google "TFT5600" and see what comes up. i paid 30 bucks for mine on ebay...apparently they're absurdly expensive new and absurdly cheap when bought used. i use bidule and on anything but the simplest of presets i'm needing all the screen i can get. a tiny touch screen would be infuriating. only things left are a good pci audio interface and midi i/o and you're all set. if anybody is seriously considering something similar, feel free to email m= e off (or on, i suppose) for gory details. - jim On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Art Simon wrote: > I've toyed with the idea of building a rack mount music computer. I > especially like the idea of built-in touchscreen, so you wouldn't need to > have a keyboard and monitor on stage. Here's an example: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811321006&Tpk=3DR= PC-919T > > What's kept me from doing it is that most of the rack mount server cases > are too deep for the typical musicians 19" flight case, and while it woul= d > be portable, it would be awkward and heavy to carry. Also, the costs star= t > to add up. A laptop seems much more cost effective, unless you already ha= ve > a good desktop and just want to transfer it to a new case. The alienware > M11x is slightly larger than a netbook and costs under $1000. It could ma= ke > a very portable and unobtrusive music laptop. > > > http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/alienware-m11x/pd.aspx?refid=3Da= lienware-m11x&cs=3D19&s=3Ddhs > > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:58 AM, G wrote: > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit >> From: Rainer Straschill >> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:10:53 +0200 >> > >> >Jeff Larson said (with regard to the Altium NanoBoard): >> >> I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me >> >> boils down to the operating system. Besides the big things like how >> >> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also >> >> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file >> >> system. >> 8< >> >> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac >> >> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. >> >> >> 8< >> >I just had this idea because a) this hardware has everything you'd need= , >> >b) the "you can't fit M=F6bius into a rack unit" topic had come up just >> >recently and c) the fact that I assume that something like M=F6bius (du= e >> >to its eight parallel engines and a state-machine-oriented logic) reall= y >> >lends itself to be implemented on a FPGA. >> > >> >But there was a reason I neded my originall message with a >> >smileyface...I perfectly understand that you don't want to get into yet >> >another version to support. >> > >> >Yours, >> > >> > Rainer >> >> Hi >> Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop or pc into a rack >> is something I'm pondering. I missed the earlier thread. >> In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers are housed in 19" racks. >> I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC case installing an adequate >> computer into it. I've yet to look into the keyboard/mouse/monitor. >> -- G. >> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > myspace [dot] com/artsimon > --00151743f87edf023c049011a4cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i built my own rackmount pc.=A0 cost me about 700 bucks and everything came= from newegg.com=A0 it's 3u high and = skb makes a deep shock rack that will accommodate server cases.=A0 for the = money it's far more powerful than anything you could buy off the shelf.= =A0 plenty of memory, ram, processor is plenty fast, etc.=A0 and i'm no= t a computer-y person, so don't be dissuaded if you feel that you lack = the requisite know-how.=A0 it's pretty much bone-simple.

touch screens are dope and all but hp makes a slide-out keyboard/monito= r combo that works great.=A0 i'm typing on it right now, actually.=A0 g= oogle "TFT5600" and see what comes up.=A0 i paid 30 bucks for min= e on ebay...apparently they're absurdly expensive new and absurdly chea= p when bought used.=A0 i use bidule and on anything but the simplest of pre= sets i'm needing all the screen i can get.=A0 a tiny touch screen would= be infuriating.=A0

only things left are a good pci audio interface and midi i/o and you= 9;re all set.=A0

if anybody is seriously considering something simi= lar, feel free to email me off (or on, i suppose) for gory details.

- jim

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:39 AM, A= rt Simon <simart@g= mail.com> wrote:
I've toyed with the idea of building a rack mount music computer. I esp= ecially like the idea of built-in touchscreen, so you wouldn't need to = have a keyboard and monitor on stage. Here's an example:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?I= tem=3DN82E16811321006&Tpk=3DRPC-919T

What's kept me from doing it is that most of the rack mount server = cases are too deep for the typical musicians 19" flight case, and whil= e it would be portable, it would be awkward and heavy to carry. Also, the c= osts start to add up. A laptop seems much more cost effective, unless you a= lready have a good desktop and just want to transfer it to a new case. The = alienware M11x is slightly larger than a netbook and costs under $1000. It = could make a very portable and unobtrusive music laptop.

http:= //www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/alienware-m11x/pd.aspx?refid=3Dalienwar= e-m11x&cs=3D19&s=3Ddhs


On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:58 AM, G <gig= s@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit
From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:10:53 +0200
>
>Jeff Larson said (with regard to the Altium NanoBoard):
>> I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them = for me
>> boils down to the operating system. =A0Besides the big things like= how
>> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was al= so
>> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a fil= e
>> system.
8<
>> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows a= nd Mac
>> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen.
>>
8<
>I just had this idea because a) this hardware has everything you&#= 39;d need,
>b) the "you can't fit M=F6bius into a rack unit" topic ha= d come up just
>recently and c) the fact that I assume that something like M=F6bius (du= e
>to its eight parallel engines and a state-machine-oriented logic) reall= y
>lends itself to be implemented on a FPGA.
>
>But there was a reason I neded my originall message with a
>smileyface...I perfectly understand that you don't want to get into= yet
>another version to support.
>
>Yours,
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Rainer

Hi
Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop or pc into a rack
is something I'm pondering. =A0I missed the earlier thread.
In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers are housed in 19" racks= .
I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC case installing an adequate computer into it. =A0I've yet to look into the keyboard/mouse/monitor.<= br> -- G.




--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/artsimon

--00151743f87edf023c049011a4cc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 16:03:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 355F13BEA0; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:03:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:02:59 +0100 Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-01.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100912160259.7F2F777A630@c-in3ws--03-01.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:03:01 +0000 (UTC) > >=20 >=20 > notice how heroes always go soft when it comes to mermaids and amazons Well, I seem to recall that Theseus did OK when it came to Amazons, althoug= h he did have Hercules to help him with the hard bits. > gotta love that sub though, enjoying the low pulse, no sea lions,=20 > no sea horses > therefore no sub aqua amazons... Sounds perfectly boring, sorry my bad advice didn't prove more entertaining= when it came to the local fauna. > but I am hearing beautiful voices, must go and see what it is, will=20 > report later > about these bone melting sounds Well, that's all right then, something good came out of the odyssey after a= ll.=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mark Showalter > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 5:11:15 PM > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I would rather be torn to pieces by an entire pride of sea lions then fac= e one > mermaid ***shudder*** > > > > > > I am more afraid of mermaids, especially the very young ones... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Mark Showalter > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 4:47:22 PM > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 1= 2/8 > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > Sounds great & enjoy! BTW, watch out for sea lions, they can be vicious! > > > > > ok Mark I m taking a chamanic trip to the ocean right now, I ll let y= i=F3u > know > > > what I see feel and hear. > > > > > > Antony > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Mark Showalter > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 4:41:31 PM > > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8,= 12/8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hey let's shut down the world wide net: what is a sub pulse? Does a= nyone > > have > > > > one I could look at:-) > > > > > > Of you can go look at one. First, go to the nearest ocean. > > > > > > Second, find a sub. > > > > > > Third, follow it around, preferably several miles underwater >=20 > > because it's easier > > > to see pulses way down there. > > > > > > Let us all know when you see one. > > > > > > > Antony Hequet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > From: Mark Showalter > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:27:42 AM > > > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4,=20 > > 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Andy, > > > > > Nice points that you make. > > > > > > > > > > My feeling however is that the Western perspective which >=20 > > > assigns > lesser value to rhythm than > > > > > melody, harmony or lyric (note: if you invent an entire >=20 > > genre > of > music based on a single rhythm > > > > > like Tony Allen did when he invented the groove for >=20 > > 'AfroBeat' > > for Fela Kuti you can't even > > > > > get royalties from the music...........witness the Amen=20 > > Break > > > that so revolutionized a lot of sample based hip > > > > > hop) has a very serious flaw when it comes to notation ,=20 > > and > > > that is that it doesn't have the > > > > > concept of the 'sub-pulse' > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I'd just like to point out here that the idea of getting > >=20 > > royalties for coming up > > > > with a "groove" or "feel" or such like is a very unreal concept. To= say > the > > > > least, it would put the courts into a position that is far=20 > > worse than what > > is > > > > the norm today. Take Harrison being sued for "My Sweet Lord", which= was > > > > ridiculous & almost certainly would not have gone into the courts t= oday. > > > > Besides, keep in mind that courts are not "esthetically" >=20 > > trained > to really be in > > > > a position to make decisions about the arts. Plus, there=20 > > would > > come a time when > > > > one "groove" would start to sound like another & the more the=20 > > > > lines blurred, the > > > > worse the situation would get. And to say the least, try to >=20 > > > explain to a court > > > > what a "sub-pulse" is........ > > > > Good luck on that one because as a composer/arranger with 8 years a= s a > > > > theory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still not clear on what the h= ell a > > > > sub-pulse is even though several drummers/percussionists that=20 > > I > > have worked with > > > > in the past have explained it to me over the years. I feel >=20 > > somewhat like one > > > > bemused fellow who said after taking a boat trip with Albert Einste= in: > > > > > > > > "After several long explanations from the professor, I am finally a= ble to > > say > > > > that when it comes to Relativity Theory, he understands it well. " > > > > > > > > BTW, please do NOT try to explain what a sub-pulse is as I=20 > > have > > the feeling it > > > > would start a cascade of email arguments that would shut down=20 > > > the world wide > > > > internet! > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > > > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Showalter > > > Minden Jot! > > > > > > myspace.com/folkstone57 > > > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter > > > > >=20 > > src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA= 1E10C1043965108.png" > > > > > " > > > style=3D"border: 0 !important; background: transparent;"/> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Showalter > > Minden Jot! > > > > myspace.com/folkstone57 > > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter > > > src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA= 1E10C1043965108.png" > > " > > style=3D"border: 0 !important; background: transparent;"/> > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mark Showalter > Minden Jot! >=20 > myspace.com/folkstone57 > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter > src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA1E= 10C1043965108.png" > style=3D"border: 0 !important; background: transparent;"/> >=20 >=20 > -- > _______________________________________________ > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 16:04:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AB583BE95; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=++NC3xeANOI/BnaeSAdJfMyo82DRanwwQlJoFf4vrtI=; b=cR5M/fLoOYTed22jVS9mksDcs7Ot16Qc3fDkzhfBRd8iFCkhDTKsewDiQsAxCxq2Zf At98gXrlCl9win6pFejwHxX6I4K7OqtG8mniiWPM/IHJB+31iSTniDmdIm3GEgaXwwrh aOM6hT+GgMANV1YLYcCZGTjR3GoKJ11MHi2Bc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=on3gSTXBbIHcfijBXWbsUkUxFqi8KYadsctUmJDmkn8+HrBx6eDINSCGSuotinBpmu 5eBmS/vG1jBzVmfPTbAk3KuM6fbMBO/CIqZNNOFlOXGja7Id3kWgysEAR3KIkMJ9BYW8 ehwbX1rpx1UAsfwXszqVMgd3+IUSQGcvx6Wws= Message-ID: <4C8CFA00.4080709@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:04:16 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:04:10 +0000 (UTC) G schrieb: > Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop or pc into a rack > is something I'm pondering. I missed the earlier thread. > In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers are housed in 19" racks. > I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC case installing an adequate > computer into it. I've yet to look into the keyboard/mouse/monitor. > The idea I was toying with here was not to build a full-blown PC into a rack (with desktop OS and all), but rather to go the embedded system route, more specifically to use a device (like the one mentioned) which brings all the required peripherals with it and is centered around a FPGA, as I believe the way something like a looper works lends itself to being realized on such a platform (parallel processing, state machine structure,...). With a structure like that, there's no need to boot/load the program (i.e. it would startup right after power is supplied), realtime behaviour would be easy to guarantee, and the risk of system crashes would be much smaller. So the idea was to have Möbius in a device which doesn't have all of the negative aspects usually associated with computers. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 16:42:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F16653BE7E; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 491806.93635.bm@omp112.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284309758; bh=6PLyFHWT6jzZogCcaone3YVxdgUilLGrVI623PcC248=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jbMNAIy7TQ0AwphJDI2Rdac5RmA+FHv7gLdqN1T0Z647iiopzBOPszJaeQ9msG73mVEnPS9WxKaAgKxw6vsztMctHrjHRZRnJvT5/orMz17s7TKYEGiFCLPYGtZ5wtnld5jpWRNATqvfFuwEDN4GDk/2oaAFZhl7RRH5f1unkrc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=59+jr88cA7/LF1KJHPfyJUg4JBpKY2Ug3/A7bJK8i0BrBAFBUrAB6wRknXaCbm5nQ/wchmftbJl092OQo9MHT7lp1jfJ395qeI9QQlnR+eonvA2VbqcvW4fAci97y8uTW7MF+NCPSOPN0h/+29GC4p9K7PZUQohCVbmWTNuhlnQ=; Message-ID: <341867.25016.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: obie4xIVM1l0.Q_EuR83Jkxo49HWfIqucn83Q_14ZgwKFfy 5SGPHy1vejLsIT3NMM2ghIFD2EyjF66I.K7OIF5RaLLr2ickUvSEXAemdo2n 0IA8mSuevHPKoUVRnE4GaTBjsQh6JeX9gHj3FkmWbCykTYSLzchujZAwSg7v Uiw26msMkBBdE0RQKSMfDAwEuYcD.CZCAtmQBf5eDHnJS83LtGx99WcpKL9h c1P8j4Idq.b20orVLdBuBXgtk9QyH3upkuaWm64ZBJCDiH.zbdpDRcjqNYSj axVSaacYLaMX4aXiTmKx_CLzDEoKv3j17hi68sSmgdqKp9SZqI88NOG5EF.I 56aHreQSs6_Y_zzi0_dUBdMY- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <20100912160259.7F2F777A630@c-in3ws--03-01.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:42:38 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100912160259.7F2F777A630@c-in3ws--03-01.sv2.lotuslive.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-DG32B.A.ctH.-LQjMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:42:38 +0000 (UTC) I was thinking of hercules when i brought up the amazons, interesting how = =0Aheroes had to confront the amazons and this was considered some of the m= ost =0Adangerous feats. Amazons are like dragons, forces of nature:-)=0A=0A= I left my double to seek the source of those voices. He is better than I am= at =0Agetting out of trouble, especially when it comes to seductive ladies= . Hope he =0Awill get into trouble!=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AF= rom: Mark Showalter =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=0ASent: Sun, September 12, 2010 6:02:59 PM=0ASubject: Re: OT= West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A=0A=0A>=0A> = =0A> =0A> notice how heroes always go soft when it comes to mermaids and am= azons=0A=0AWell, I seem to recall that Theseus did OK when it came to Amazo= ns, although he =0Adid have Hercules to help him with the hard bits.=0A=0A>= gotta love that sub though, enjoying the low pulse, no sea lions, =0A> no = sea horses=0A> therefore no sub aqua amazons...=0A=0ASounds perfectly borin= g, sorry my bad advice didn't prove more entertaining when =0Ait came to th= e local fauna.=0A=0A> but I am hearing beautiful voices, must go and see wh= at it is, will =0A> report later=0A> about these bone melting sounds=0A=0AW= ell, that's all right then, something good came out of the odyssey after al= l. =0A=0A> =0A> ----- Original Message ----=0A> From: Mark Showalter =0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Sent:= Sun, September 12, 2010 5:11:15 PM=0A> Subject: Re: OT West African/Africa= n Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A> =0A> Hello,=0A> =0A> I would ra= ther be torn to pieces by an entire pride of sea lions then face one=0A> me= rmaid ***shudder***=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > I am more afraid of mermaids, especia= lly the very young ones...=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > ----- Original Message ----=0A= > > From: Mark Showalter =0A> > To: Loopers-Deli= ght@loopers-delight.com=0A> > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 4:47:22 PM=0A> = > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/= 8=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > > Hello,=0A> >=0A> > Sounds great & enjoy! BTW, watch o= ut for sea lions, they can be vicious!=0A> >=0A> > > ok Mark I m taking a c= hamanic trip to the ocean right now, I ll let yi=F3u=0A> know=0A> > > what = I see feel and hear.=0A> > >=0A> > > Antony=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > > ----- O= riginal Message ----=0A> > > From: Mark Showalter =0A> > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> > > Sent: Sun, Septe= mber 12, 2010 4:41:31 PM=0A> > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diasp= ora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > = > > hey let's shut down the world wide net: what is a sub pulse? Does anyon= e=0A> > have=0A> > > > one I could look at:-)=0A> > >=0A> > > Of you can go= look at one. First, go to the nearest ocean.=0A> > >=0A> > > Second, find = a sub.=0A> > >=0A> > > Third, follow it around, preferably several miles un= derwater > =0A> > because it's easier=0A> > > to see pulses way down there.= =0A> > >=0A> > > Let us all know when you see one.=0A> > >=0A> > > > Antony= Hequet=0A> > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > > > ----- Original Me= ssage ----=0A> > > > From: Mark Showalter =0A> >= > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> > > > Sent: Sun, September= 12, 2010 12:27:42 AM=0A> > > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspo= ra rhythms: 3/4, =0A> > 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A> > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > > > > Hi= Andy,=0A> > > > > Nice points that you make.=0A> > > > >=0A> > > > > My fe= eling however is that the Western perspective which > =0A> > > assigns > le= sser value to rhythm than=0A> > > > > melody, harmony or lyric (note: if y= ou invent an entire > =0A> > genre > of > music based on a single rhythm=0A= > > > > > like Tony Allen did when he invented the groove for > =0A> > 'Afr= oBeat' > > for Fela Kuti you can't even=0A> > > > > get royalties from the = music...........witness the Amen =0A> > Break > > > that so revolutionized = a lot of sample based hip=0A> > > > > hop) has a very serious flaw when it= comes to notation , =0A> > and > > > that is that it doesn't have the=0A> = > > > > concept of the 'sub-pulse'=0A> > > > >=0A> > > > Hello,=0A> > > >= =0A> > > > I'd just like to point out here that the idea of getting > > =0A= > > royalties for coming up=0A> > > > with a "groove" or "feel" or such lik= e is a very unreal concept. To say=0A> the=0A> > > > least, it would put th= e courts into a position that is far =0A> > worse than what=0A> > is=0A> > = > > the norm today. Take Harrison being sued for "My Sweet Lord", which was= =0A> > > > ridiculous & almost certainly would not have gone into the court= s today.=0A> > > > Besides, keep in mind that courts are not "esthetically"= > =0A> > trained > to really be in=0A> > > > a position to make decisions = about the arts. Plus, there =0A> > would > > come a time when=0A> > > > one= "groove" would start to sound like another & the more the =0A> > > > lines= blurred, the=0A> > > > worse the situation would get. And to say the least= , try to > =0A> > > explain to a court=0A> > > > what a "sub-pulse" is.....= ...=0A> > > > Good luck on that one because as a composer/arranger with 8 y= ears as a=0A> > > > theory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still not clear o= n what the hell a=0A> > > > sub-pulse is even though several drummers/percu= ssionists that =0A> > I > > have worked with=0A> > > > in the past have exp= lained it to me over the years. I feel > =0A> > somewhat like one=0A> > > >= bemused fellow who said after taking a boat trip with Albert Einstein:=0A>= > > >=0A> > > > "After several long explanations from the professor, I am = finally able =0Ato=0A> > say=0A> > > > that when it comes to Relativity The= ory, he understands it well. "=0A> > > >=0A> > > > BTW, please do NOT try t= o explain what a sub-pulse is as I =0A> > have > > the feeling it=0A> > > >= would start a cascade of email arguments that would shut down =0A> > > the= world wide=0A> > > > internet!=0A> > > >=0A> > > > --=0A> > > > __________= _____________________________________=0A> > > > Surf the Web in a faster, s= afer and easier way:=0A> > > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A>= > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > >=0A> > > >=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > = > Mark Showalter=0A> > > Minden Jot!=0A> > >=0A> > > myspace.com/folkstone5= 7=0A> > > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter=0A> > > > > =0A> > =0A>src=3D"= http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA1E10C104396= 5108.png"=0A>=0A> >=0A> > > "=0A> > > style=3D"border: 0 !important; back= ground: transparent;"/>=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > > --=0A> > > ____________= ___________________________________=0A> > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer= and easier way:=0A> > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A> >=0A>= > >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > Mark Showalter=0A> > Minden Jot!=0A> >=0A> > m= yspace.com/folkstone57=0A> > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter=0A> > = > =0A= >src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA1E1= 0C1043965108.png"=0A>=0A> > "=0A> > style=3D"border: 0 !important; backgr= ound: transparent;"/>=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > --=0A> > ______________________= _________________________=0A> > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier = way:=0A> > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> =0A= > =0A> Mark Showalter=0A> Minden Jot!=0A> =0A> myspace.com/folkstone57=0A> = http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter=0A> src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignat= ure.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA1E10C1043965108.png"=0A>"=0A> style=3D"= border: 0 !important; background: transparent;"/>=0A> =0A> =0A> --=0A> = _______________________________________________=0A> Surf the Web in a faste= r, safer and easier way:=0A> Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A=0A= >=0A=0A=0A=0AMark Showalter=0AMinden Jot!=0A=0Amyspace.com/folkstone57=0Aht= tp://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0A___________________= ____________________________=0ASurf the Web in a faster, safer and easier w= ay:=0ADownload Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 17:40:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E7B43BE88; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Frisell and PDS8000 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:40:30 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: ActSoZgRA3tCasTkQ1mYu71pRafnoQ== X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.4.50; VDF: 7.10.11.128) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:40:38 +0000 (UTC) I bought an ancient Digitech PDS8000 today. Does anyone know youtube videos where Frisell does his trademark loop manglings with this box? I've seen him do that live several times but I'd love to see it again now. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 17:56:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECC983BE89; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=uxsjjUOVqgH7ZGhjguWLDs2ozWyh7sAkkt08djYp+9A=; b=nvvVm31cI9LI2RbRK2fj4EY2FlZI8M7tU/Q6CM2S+q8r2FNf2RBP3aXvCmcS2GB3NI sLhSBOoYOXZS/wEr1SM91/4NB7iz/2VWe/HBoK143OtgVilEn/nB3RIbVjikxT34EceB Y5AqQXHK/Qaa51DWBlDpoUgHeaJoLk3WOHCEw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KUrg/5NdQpqCj0GAbCi2FGgdSFHMC0oCcwkdC00zvmayMhrWL4SylCUm2hLRqCn/1H 49HQfMCIEVtLAeVsEL43ZdORVvvFbQzSFzUET8uF9yqPEnQOwCuwciTZ9YFO2z9U1sU0 goEyqrPN+GA6Aann0vd9gjEtOHExXnSf0W1Tw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:56:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e68ae8fc56049013b115 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:56:13 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d7e68ae8fc56049013b115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Jim, The TFT5600 is a great tip. Do you have a model number for that deep skb rack? You got me thinking about building a rackmount pc again! -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon --0016e6d7e68ae8fc56049013b115 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Jim,

The TFT5600 is a great tip. Do you have a model number for that deep skb rack? You got me thinking about building a rackmount pc again!
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--0016e6d7e68ae8fc56049013b115-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 18:02:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6922B3BE85; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:02:03 +0100 Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100912180203.3858D15F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2LlB3B.A.bfB.cWRjMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:02:04 +0000 (UTC) >=20 >=20 > I was thinking of hercules when i brought up the amazons, interesting h= ow > heroes had to confront the amazons and this was considered some of the mo= st > dangerous feats. Amazons are like dragons, forces of nature:-) Hmm....isn't it interesting how some experiences are born out of a statemen= t based on plain common sense.? > I left my double to seek the source of those voices. He is better than I = am at > getting out of trouble, especially when it comes to seductive ladies. Hop= e he > will get into trouble! Doesn't sound like you & your double get along very well. Either that or h= is luck at dating is as bad as mine......=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mark Showalter > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 6:02:59 PM > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 >=20 >=20 > > > > > > > > notice how heroes always go soft when it comes to mermaids and amazons >=20 > Well, I seem to recall that Theseus did OK when it came to Amazons,=20 > although he > did have Hercules to help him with the hard bits. >=20 > > gotta love that sub though, enjoying the low pulse, no sea lions,=20 > > no sea horses > > therefore no sub aqua amazons... >=20 > Sounds perfectly boring, sorry my bad advice didn't prove more=20 > entertaining when > it came to the local fauna. >=20 > > but I am hearing beautiful voices, must go and see what it is,=20 > > will report later > > about these bone melting sounds >=20 > Well, that's all right then, something good came out of the odyssey after= all. >=20 > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Mark Showalter > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 5:11:15 PM > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 1= 2/8 > > > > Hello, > > > > I would rather be torn to pieces by an entire pride of sea lions=20 > > then face one > > mermaid ***shudder*** > > > > > > > > > I am more afraid of mermaids, especially the very young ones... > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Mark Showalter > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 4:47:22 PM > > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8,= 12/8 > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Sounds great & enjoy! BTW, watch out for sea lions, they can be vicio= us! > > > > > > > ok Mark I m taking a chamanic trip to the ocean right now, I ll let= yi=F3u > > know > > > > what I see feel and hear. > > > > > > > > Antony > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > From: Mark Showalter > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 4:41:31 PM > > > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4,=20 > > 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hey let's shut down the world wide net: what is a sub=20 > > pulse? Does anyone > > > have > > > > > one I could look at:-) > > > > > > > > Of you can go look at one. First, go to the nearest ocean. > > > > > > > > Second, find a sub. > > > > > > > > Third, follow it around, preferably several miles underwater=20 > > > > because it's easier > > > > to see pulses way down there. > > > > > > > > Let us all know when you see one. > > > > > > > > > Antony Hequet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > > From: Mark Showalter > > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:27:42 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4,=20 > > > 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Andy, > > > > > > Nice points that you make. > > > > > > > > > > > > My feeling however is that the Western perspective which=20 > > > > > assigns > lesser value to rhythm than > > > > > > melody, harmony or lyric (note: if you invent an entire=20 > > > > genre > of > music based on a single rhythm > > > > > > like Tony Allen did when he invented the groove for > >=20 > > 'AfroBeat' > > for Fela Kuti you can't even > > > > > > get royalties from the music...........witness the Amen >=20 > > Break > > > that so revolutionized a lot of sample based hip > > > > > > hop) has a very serious flaw when it comes to notation ,=20 > > > and > > > that is that it doesn't have the > > > > > > concept of the 'sub-pulse' > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > I'd just like to point out here that the idea of getting >=20 > > > > royalties for coming up > > > > > with a "groove" or "feel" or such like is a very unreal concept. = To say > > the > > > > > least, it would put the courts into a position that is far=20 > > > worse than what > > > is > > > > > the norm today. Take Harrison being sued for "My Sweet Lord", whi= ch was > > > > > ridiculous & almost certainly would not have gone into the=20 > > courts today. > > > > > Besides, keep in mind that courts are not "esthetically" >=20 > > > trained > to really be in > > > > > a position to make decisions about the arts. Plus, there >=20 > > would > > come a time when > > > > > one "groove" would start to sound like another & the more=20 > > the > > > lines blurred, the > > > > > worse the situation would get. And to say the least, try to=20 > > > > > explain to a court > > > > > what a "sub-pulse" is........ > > > > > Good luck on that one because as a composer/arranger with 8 years= as a > > > > > theory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still not clear on=20 > > what the hell a > > > > > sub-pulse is even though several drummers/percussionists=20 > > that > I > > have worked with > > > > > in the past have explained it to me over the years. I feel=20 > > > > somewhat like one > > > > > bemused fellow who said after taking a boat trip with Albert Eins= tein: > > > > > > > > > > "After several long explanations from the professor, I am finally= able > to > > > say > > > > > that when it comes to Relativity Theory, he understands it well. " > > > > > > > > > > BTW, please do NOT try to explain what a sub-pulse is as I=20 > > > have > > the feeling it > > > > > would start a cascade of email arguments that would shut=20 > > down > > the world wide > > > > > internet! > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > > > > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Showalter > > > > Minden Jot! > > > > > > > > myspace.com/folkstone57 > > > > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter > > > > > > > >=20 > > src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA= 1E10C1043965108.png" > > > > > > > > > " > > > > style=3D"border: 0 !important; background: transparent;"/> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > > > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Showalter > > > Minden Jot! > > > > > > myspace.com/folkstone57 > > > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter > > > > >=20 > > src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA= 1E10C1043965108.png" > > > > > " > > > style=3D"border: 0 !important; background: transparent;"/> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Showalter > > Minden Jot! > > > > myspace.com/folkstone57 > > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter > > > src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA= 1E10C1043965108.png" > > " > > style=3D"border: 0 !important; background: transparent;"/> > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mark Showalter > Minden Jot! >=20 > myspace.com/folkstone57 > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter > src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA1E= 10C1043965108.png" > style=3D"border: 0 !important; background: transparent;"/> >=20 >=20 > -- > _______________________________________________ > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 18:12:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6C983BE87; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 490348057/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.143/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.143 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au8BAM+0jExYbReP/2dsb2JhbAAHk3HMToVABI0a X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,355,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="490348057" Message-ID: <4C8D1818.10300@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:12:40 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 References: <4C8BEFAD.7060706@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4C8BEFAD.7060706@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > Hi Andy, > Nice points that you make. > > My feeling however is that the Western perspective which assigns lesser > value to rhythm than > melody, harmony or lyric has a very serious flaw when it comes to notation , and that is > that it doesn't have the > concept of the 'sub-pulse' That sounds interesting. Can't see how it's a problem. Just pick the time sig that makes the prettiest notation. > > To write African rhythms in 12/8 does not give enough information about > how the music is felt. I'd certainly agree with that, but then neither does "4/4" swing. ...afaik no notation system ever came close to doing that. In some cases 12/8 has a distinct advantage, and that's when some of the notes are swung, and some are straight. > > It is true that the percentage of swing (how late the second 8th note is > in every beat) really effects the feel > of things. In this case, it can be a more flexible map to write 8th > notes with 'swing' over the top of them. Any examples to illustrate? Maybe this relates to the Eastern European notion of "short" and "long" dance steps. Actually the drummer I play with has been criticised at college because his swing wasn't bang on 66.7%. ( don't worry, I was able to re-assure him) > I guess in the end, it's whatever floats your boat, but I'm a stickler > for rhythmic accuracy as much as is possible > with an obviously imperfect system. neither "4/4 swing" nor "12/8" tells the whole story in every situation. I'd use whichever option produced the performance I wanted. When I used 12/8 it certainly drew the players attention to the fact that I was hoping for an accurate rendition. andy butler ps google came up with this cf "Bilmes (1993) developed a model for groove-based expressive timing that features two simultaneous isochronous pulses, one at the foot-tapping tactus level (with a period typically between 300 and 800 ms), and another, the temporal atom or tatum, at the smallest operative subdivision of that pulse (typically 80 to 150 ms)" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 18:16:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53AE13BE88; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 790260.89965.bm@omp125.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284315403; bh=MLD7SXuqChaLs1np58O9BAz7bHcQTVE7qXQwrraYEhE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iP69870w7A83t8GN6OlRSzsOxyGPjs4OaRPX/O6Ym8pTx5g23S2FUwg4KTHp8XKuK7/yPnKPsMnXoeTn4NvNnusFr7wcn/6mk/tS9CJ7hf4YLODlFS5aTgHKMno/eW7HBd/vdhMj0fokSyzUN/Lzi6HerHu58Wk2nMtJIxNmilw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ex/0B7/bfg9eP02f/8KcMVFI3zkwohKICbtCMBTld6GyPI2h2p1VFeogCFwo8oGtwdzAHKb6oe4ilZynwaVJSLTVms947MC3bXbazPPpqlvEh7HHoEhwNTv/WAnmbfsjztMmwSjfJ99lKmUAs3K4hMco+034r9L92eKoEkqr5xs=; Message-ID: <565242.3944.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: u8tckkwVM1kqEepnxiqn1Ahici8fUNjVaUZXDPJynqvy2lD ZsoFI4p49aRZu78hrdvMKaqPXLedJStwirPfn.s1lWIw7nuzjiiLzZrIm5h0 tNUT3I79Svs4pwpAACo7421Ctp4kQbrhnaDcwFXX_H7NiwrgLE0wTJj6yOgP HBD2R3tGDdml1KeX9PSpNLtnRxIgL0ueXp8G2TxIBfYmTfQTImcAP4aa.I1f u98SKjQesaO5nmzNH0cNtTmMQiDIfV4.lBDnbYNwMDMK1_7zWq4XoEWaI_RQ KcHoBMDxzRhTLrP4eBzfOPIJer52dSPCNCgkwszLiJ26wPDXtHVpqAyI- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <20100912180203.3858D15F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:16:43 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100912180203.3858D15F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:16:44 +0000 (UTC) actually my double is meant to get in trouble, that we i can learn from his= =0Aexperience without losing a leg in the process.=0ASo we really do get a= long quite well, he just has a different job.=0A=0AWhen it comes to the lad= ies, luck has nothing to do with it. It's more a matter =0Aof mood...=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Mark Showalter =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Sun, Septemb= er 12, 2010 8:02:03 PM=0ASubject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhyt= hms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A=0A=0A> =0A> =0A> I was thinking of hercules w= hen i brought up the amazons, interesting how=0A> heroes had to confront th= e amazons and this was considered some of the most=0A> dangerous feats. Ama= zons are like dragons, forces of nature:-)=0A=0AHmm....isn't it interesting= how some experiences are born out of a statement =0Abased on plain common = sense.?=0A=0A> I left my double to seek the source of those voices. He is b= etter than I am at=0A> getting out of trouble, especially when it comes to = seductive ladies. Hope he=0A> will get into trouble!=0A=0ADoesn't sound lik= e you & your double get along very well. Either that or his =0Aluck at dati= ng is as bad as mine...... =0A=0A> =0A> ----- Original Message ----=0A> Fro= m: Mark Showalter =0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=0A> Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 6:02:59 PM=0A> Subject: Re= : OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A> =0A> = =0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > notice how heroes always go soft when it comes to = mermaids and amazons=0A> =0A> Well, I seem to recall that Theseus did OK wh= en it came to Amazons, =0A> although he=0A> did have Hercules to help him w= ith the hard bits.=0A> =0A> > gotta love that sub though, enjoying the low = pulse, no sea lions, =0A> > no sea horses=0A> > therefore no sub aqua amazo= ns...=0A> =0A> Sounds perfectly boring, sorry my bad advice didn't prove mo= re =0A> entertaining when=0A> it came to the local fauna.=0A> =0A> > but I = am hearing beautiful voices, must go and see what it is, =0A> > will report= later=0A> > about these bone melting sounds=0A> =0A> Well, that's all righ= t then, something good came out of the odyssey after all.=0A> =0A> >=0A> > = ----- Original Message ----=0A> > From: Mark Showalter =0A> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> > Sent: Sun, Sept= ember 12, 2010 5:11:15 PM=0A> > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspo= ra rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A> >=0A> > Hello,=0A> >=0A> > I would rath= er be torn to pieces by an entire pride of sea lions =0A> > then face one= =0A> > mermaid ***shudder***=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > > I am more afraid of me= rmaids, especially the very young ones...=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > > ----- Ori= ginal Message ----=0A> > > From: Mark Showalter = =0A> > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> > > Sent: Sun, Septemb= er 12, 2010 4:47:22 PM=0A> > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspor= a rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > > > Hello,=0A> > >=0A>= > > Sounds great & enjoy! BTW, watch out for sea lions, they can be viciou= s!=0A> > >=0A> > > > ok Mark I m taking a chamanic trip to the ocean right = now, I ll let yi=F3u=0A> > know=0A> > > > what I see feel and hear.=0A> > >= >=0A> > > > Antony=0A> > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > > > ----- Original Message --= --=0A> > > > From: Mark Showalter =0A> > > > To:= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> > > > Sent: Sun, September 12, 201= 0 4:41:31 PM=0A> > > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythm= s: 3/4, =0A> > 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A> > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > > > >=0A> > > > >= =0A> > > > > hey let's shut down the world wide net: what is a sub =0A> > p= ulse? Does anyone=0A> > > have=0A> > > > > one I could look at:-)=0A> > > >= =0A> > > > Of you can go look at one. First, go to the nearest ocean.=0A> >= > >=0A> > > > Second, find a sub.=0A> > > >=0A> > > > Third, follow it aro= und, preferably several miles underwater =0A> > > > because it's easier=0A>= > > > to see pulses way down there.=0A> > > >=0A> > > > Let us all know wh= en you see one.=0A> > > >=0A> > > > > Antony Hequet=0A> > > > >=0A> > > > >= =0A> > > > >=0A> > > > >=0A> > > > > ----- Original Message ----=0A> > > > = > From: Mark Showalter =0A> > > > > To: Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> > > > > Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:27= :42 AM=0A> > > > > Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3= /4, =0A> > > 4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A> > > > >=0A> > > > >=0A> > > > > > Hi Andy= ,=0A> > > > > > Nice points that you make.=0A> > > > > >=0A> > > > > > My f= eeling however is that the Western perspective which =0A> > > > > assigns >= lesser value to rhythm than=0A> > > > > > melody, harmony or lyric (note: = if you invent an entire =0A> > > > genre > of > music based on a single rh= ythm=0A> > > > > > like Tony Allen did when he invented the groove for > > = =0A> > 'AfroBeat' > > for Fela Kuti you can't even=0A> > > > > > get royalt= ies from the music...........witness the Amen > =0A> > Break > > > that so = revolutionized a lot of sample based hip=0A> > > > > > hop) has a very ser= ious flaw when it comes to notation , =0A> > > and > > > that is that it do= esn't have the=0A> > > > > > concept of the 'sub-pulse'=0A> > > > > >=0A> >= > > > Hello,=0A> > > > >=0A> > > > > I'd just like to point out here that = the idea of getting > =0A> > > > royalties for coming up=0A> > > > > with a= "groove" or "feel" or such like is a very unreal concept. To =0Asay=0A> > = the=0A> > > > > least, it would put the courts into a position that is far = =0A> > > worse than what=0A> > > is=0A> > > > > the norm today. Take Harris= on being sued for "My Sweet Lord", which =0Awas=0A> > > > > ridiculous & al= most certainly would not have gone into the =0A> > courts today.=0A> > > > = > Besides, keep in mind that courts are not "esthetically" > =0A> > > train= ed > to really be in=0A> > > > > a position to make decisions about the art= s. Plus, there > =0A> > would > > come a time when=0A> > > > > one "groove"= would start to sound like another & the more =0A> > the > > > lines blurre= d, the=0A> > > > > worse the situation would get. And to say the least, try= to =0A> > > > > explain to a court=0A> > > > > what a "sub-pulse" is......= ..=0A> > > > > Good luck on that one because as a composer/arranger with 8 = years as a=0A> > > > > theory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still not clea= r on =0A> > what the hell a=0A> > > > > sub-pulse is even though several dr= ummers/percussionists =0A> > that > I > > have worked with=0A> > > > > in t= he past have explained it to me over the years. I feel =0A> > > > somewhat = like one=0A> > > > > bemused fellow who said after taking a boat trip with = Albert Einstein:=0A> > > > >=0A> > > > > "After several long explanations f= rom the professor, I am finally able=0A> to=0A> > > say=0A> > > > > that wh= en it comes to Relativity Theory, he understands it well. "=0A> > > > >=0A>= > > > > BTW, please do NOT try to explain what a sub-pulse is as I =0A> > = > have > > the feeling it=0A> > > > > would start a cascade of email argume= nts that would shut =0A> > down > > the world wide=0A> > > > > internet!=0A= > > > > >=0A> > > > > --=0A> > > > > ______________________________________= _________=0A> > > > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way:=0A> >= > > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A> > > > >=0A> > > > >=0A>= > > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > > > Mark= Showalter=0A> > > > Minden Jot!=0A> > > >=0A> > > > myspace.com/folkstone5= 7=0A> > > > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter=0A> > > > > > > > =0A> > =0A= >src=3D"http://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA1E1= 0C1043965108.png"=0A>=0A> >=0A> > >=0A> > > > "=0A> > > > style=3D"border= : 0 !important; background: transparent;"/>=0A> > > >=0A> > > >=0A> > >= > --=0A> > > > _______________________________________________=0A> > > > S= urf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way:=0A> > > > Download Opera 9 a= t http://www.opera.com=0A> > >=0A> > > >=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > >=0A> > > Ma= rk Showalter=0A> > > Minden Jot!=0A> > >=0A> > > myspace.com/folkstone57=0A= > > > http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter=0A> > > > > =0A> > =0A>src=3D"http= ://signatures.mylivesignature.com/54488/99/F2BFFC9AD8D6528EA1E10C1043965108= .png"=0A>=0A> >=0A> > > "=0A> > > style=3D"border: 0 !important; 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background: transparent;"/>=0A> =0A> =0A> --=0A> __= _____________________________________________=0A> Surf the Web in a faster,= safer and easier way:=0A> Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A=0A>= =0A=0A=0A=0AMark Showalter=0AMinden Jot!=0A=0Amyspace.com/folkstone57=0Ahtt= p://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0A____________________= ___________________________=0ASurf the Web in a faster, safer and easier wa= y:=0ADownload Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 18:55:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C1213BE85; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C8D2225.3010006@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:55:33 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:55:40 +0000 (UTC) dear Mark Showalter, you wrote: > ".......explain to a court what a "sub-pulse" is........ > Good luck on that one because as a composer/arranger with 8 years as a > theory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still not clear on what the hell a > sub-pulse is even though several drummers/percussionists that I > have worked with > in the past have explained it to me over the years. and then go on to say: "BTW, please do NOT try to explain what a sub-pulse is as I have the feeling it would start a cascade of email arguments that would shut downthe world wideinternet!" *************************************************************************************** I really don't want to get you wrong (and please correct me if I'm mistaken), but what I am understanding about your stance here is that you seem to be dismissively telling us that you don't understand a musical level of sophistication that is understood by tens of thousands of groove musicians around the planet (whether they use the term 'sub pulse' or not) and that you profess to have no desire to educate yourself, or grow further as a musician, merely because it is a concept that was not included in your entirely Euro-centric (albeit rigorous and valuable) education about musical styles. I certainly have respect for the 8 years you spent studying Harmony and Melody in a rigorous academic environment. I just find it curious that you don't seem to have the same respect for my (or any other drummer/percussionist/arrangers) knowledge which has been accrued from 40 years of playing in popular styled bands as a band leader, arranger, composer, producer and instrumentalist(33 of them as a professional). I'm positive I could learn a thing or two from you about the things you have so deeply studied and am eager to do so if the chance presents itself. I wonder why you don't appear open to knowledge that I (or some other drummer) could teach you about the world of rhythm, conversely. The concept of a sub pulse is a very simple one and can be demonstrated very easily with a few choice examples. This concept absolutely defines the way human beings respond to syncopation on a neurophysiological level and is easily demonstrable with sonic examples. I'd be happy to share it with you unless you feel your mind is closed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 19:49:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D9653BE87; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 943806.10307.bm@omp109.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284320974; bh=l3qWePIJIzo240KoWIz5Ggh3ATvDj/iRWIFc1Z97Oeg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PrCLbQDJ74t2f+MgFvG27drUDo9N2Gas8coFt/dH388KZIcxXKTZGZGNKGeiznzW/fN/JZ+5V98i4C8UDSVuPQEhnnCuJTjDkFpct6MyV6caoVK884EI5UAYdxz/DzM9+WumrvpC8N+g9rTg6AMlFqC9i9jT3wQdSTMZxFVu3kU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0Q/ofhBeU8u/d1cGJEEPhJEgOURhoN7ezHJUoGc4V4a0KX5FKi3rd9+E1Jy22LL8/acaKeY8OaXrTeGigRQWMD22KPFgkvN2g27RFGQOalfd80OWQLnzEd2U9T0BWVJ22nv/jevKWTMCpgcAyPWcaEYb8y1e+wKQKYATvnaboVE=; Message-ID: <815287.3045.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: VQfHpVoVM1knJDAyla9GydDkKTc1wGwsg.NUu3NPqfj4yRs 5iw.dNrxOEikBnpXvlaxkwPDFbhQ3ChpguYo1ogyylf7MzUDvHNVaJQn.WSI o.xK4rQnv2_SE2q_Yvr6Xl8JzQZeiAYmlWglrSC6_KGENIaXEixlYvSMlErj uLG37k2vgRnMuOBHVMVv_NCHfLZj519UFS61Ue5bIFHMq04KEVcFwAs.5DYL 3EUMV6I9i5p6kAR.DN8Wh9c1I3jVuHma0eaGiAK35WHZdzXUYPP5o1C36DgZ 5WTofPIT0hpAD8vN7C0CIZA_GpZylmgokay5LOtUF5ANVkOoVXm8hHSVGPIM - X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <4C8D2225.3010006@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 12:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4C8D2225.3010006@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:49:35 +0000 (UTC) hey let's hear it.I am curious to learn. So is Mark he just has that brittish humor about him. Antony Hequet ----- Original Message ---- From: Rick Walker To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 8:55:33 PM Subject: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 dear Mark Showalter, you wrote: > ".......explain to a court what a "sub-pulse" is........ > Good luck on that one because as a composer/arranger with 8 years as a > theory/composition in 2 colleges, I'm still not clear on what the hell a > sub-pulse is even though several drummers/percussionists that I > have worked with > in the past have explained it to me over the years. and then go on to say: "BTW, please do NOT try to explain what a sub-pulse is as I have the feeling it would start a cascade of email arguments that would shut downthe world wideinternet!" *************************************************************************************** I really don't want to get you wrong (and please correct me if I'm mistaken), but what I am understanding about your stance here is that you seem to be dismissively telling us that you don't understand a musical level of sophistication that is understood by tens of thousands of groove musicians around the planet (whether they use the term 'sub pulse' or not) and that you profess to have no desire to educate yourself, or grow further as a musician, merely because it is a concept that was not included in your entirely Euro-centric (albeit rigorous and valuable) education about musical styles. I certainly have respect for the 8 years you spent studying Harmony and Melody in a rigorous academic environment. I just find it curious that you don't seem to have the same respect for my (or any other drummer/percussionist/arrangers) knowledge which has been accrued from 40 years of playing in popular styled bands as a band leader, arranger, composer, producer and instrumentalist(33 of them as a professional). I'm positive I could learn a thing or two from you about the things you have so deeply studied and am eager to do so if the chance presents itself. I wonder why you don't appear open to knowledge that I (or some other drummer) could teach you about the world of rhythm, conversely. The concept of a sub pulse is a very simple one and can be demonstrated very easily with a few choice examples. This concept absolutely defines the way human beings respond to syncopation on a neurophysiological level and is easily demonstrable with sonic examples. I'd be happy to share it with you unless you feel your mind is closed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 19:51:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82A073BE89; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DA/vy9m0vauV/Zu+SBo9zdrHzxRCcOJorhNdbmgQnf8=; b=fzh89zUVDtFSIrJbYluEIlWdi9q9QTHLBRA6no2BvoOIoacblDLNwGhqlNbCh5IQiz 1G/XaCK6zUj47fPPoDDf0B+egbjCsY+nLCw8po578aWLlZJKD18kZy8mLAlmLjcvDxHi Th/forvxbPF89P6cNboMkULemLDRTGFysysho= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=LVgpXl+QZ3/XM3bHklO8PsGSbxXEHTfPkCR7M7rpBFrLx2ObfmizRKgX2bNC8fnRlJ zQZc2BYjagLNr2QPvDNXSYKj0FpexfbgvAFRBMUd7F49BtcFrMFBMkgahdE8E3s8fo1z gsiDhJra+tIsmLfjbTxYndn5PcQuAkIW1VsI4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:51:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Frisell and PDS8000 From: Jeffrey Collins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3c780d4fee0490154ef5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:51:26 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c3c780d4fee0490154ef5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 you mean the ones from his instructional video. yeah that video made me wanna get one of those too. jeffrey On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > I bought an ancient Digitech PDS8000 today. Does anyone know youtube videos > where Frisell does his trademark loop manglings with this box? I've seen > him > do that live several times but I'd love to see it again now. -Michael > > --0015174c3c780d4fee0490154ef5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you mean the ones from his instructional video. yeah that video made me wan= na get one of those too.

jeffrey

O= n Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
I bought an ancie= nt Digitech PDS8000 today. Does anyone know youtube videos
where Frisell does his trademark loop manglings with this box? I've see= n him
do that live several times but I'd love to see it again now. =A0-Michae= l


--0015174c3c780d4fee0490154ef5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 20:07:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11DAF3BE86; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C8D3307.9070400@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 13:07:35 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Andy Butler asked "Any examples to illustrate? " to my observation: "In this case, it can be a more flexible map to write 8th notes with 'swing' over the top of them. Yes, specifically go listen to the tunes that swing from the Neville Brothers. Other examples, though generated entirely by drum machines are the grooves from Garage/Two Step, the UK dance musics. Andy said: "Maybe this relates to the Eastern European notion of "short" and "long" dance steps. " Actually, no, that's not what I'm referring to at all. Almost entirely, short dance steps are in phrases of 2 sub pulse and long dance steps are phrases of 3 sub pulses. Tellef Ogrim's wife Anna did her dissertation on minute timing fluctuations, stylistically in James Brown and George Clinton's music. She actually gave me some examples of short/long phrasing in Norwegian folk musics that does not seem to adhere to this phrases of 2 and 3 paradigm I'm talking about. Interestingly, though, these musics are played mostly with bowed instruments..................when a bow plays a short or long phrase it can vary greatly because of the length of time of a single stroke across the strings, where as string based ethnic musics tend to have a more 2 +3 combination approach merely because people are picking the strings and the envelopes of the instrument are considerably shorter. These are broad generalizations however (I can already hear Andy squirming uncomfortably at me making such broad generalizations) but I would dare to say that this effects 95% of the musics that we're talking about. Andy also said: "Actually the drummer I play with has been criticised at college because his swing wasn't bang on 66.7%. ( don't worry, I was able to re-assure him) " Well, it really depends.................I find that one of the most helpful things for me learning how to really 'move' and stretch the 'swing' quality of a piece of music (as defined by the hi hat or the ride cymbal in jazz or blues or 2nd line or whatever) was to set up a drum machine that had a single percentage point of swing customization built into it. Set your high hats on 1) Straight 8th notes and play for a while...........then 2) set your swing percentage (quantized to 8th notes and NOT 16th notes) to 52% 3) then 54% 4) 56% 5) 58% 6) 60% 7) 62% 8) 64% 9) 68% 10) 70% etc. all way up to 75% (which is the 4th 16th note in the beat) Play with these settings for a long time and try to 'get' the feel of each one. What I've discovered is that it's hard to hear swing until it gets past 54% You can hear it clearly at 58% and yet this is so obviously different than 66.6% (perfect triplet 8th note swing) right around 56% to 58% is where New Orleans and 2nd line music rests. Interestingly, cheap drum machines in the 80's only had 50%, 58% and 66.6% swing functions so a lot of hip hop finally had 58% swing because the underground musicians making it couldn't afford more sophisticated drum machines and were sick of so called 'straight 8ths' or triplet 8th swing (66.6%) Conversely, once you get up to around 72% the mind starts to want to hear the feel as the last 16th of the beat. What's important here for your drummer, probably, was that he could only play where he played....................I've encountered a lot of musicians who just have a 'feel' (which really translates to a way of 'swinging things') but are unable to lock with other musicians who have a different 'feel' So if you are playing a 56% swing and your musicians are phrasing in normal triplet 8th notes, his playing will really pull hard and frequently not sound 'locked' I've found that when playing 56%-60% swing that it's really helpful to think binarily in your fills (playing only two notes coherent with the swing percentage) whereas when you play 64%70% swing that if feels better to play ternary (triplet 8th notes) again, these are all generalizations but they work for me if I'm playing with a New Orleans styled musician or a Texas Swing musician or a big band musician or an afro-jazz musician. > I guess in the end, it's whatever floats your boat, but I'm a stickler > for rhythmic accuracy as much as is possible > with an obviously imperfect system. Andy said, "neither "4/4 swing" nor "12/8" tells the whole story in every situation." Actually from my experience playing drums/percussion/bass or keyboards extensively in Afro Cuban, Afro Haitian, Afro Brazillian, New Orleans, Afro Jamaican, Regional American Blues styles, Jazz and Rock/Pop/Funk/Soul situations a notated 4/4 swing rhythm (with swing percentages notated specifically) ends up being a lot more accurate than a 12/8 notation. When playing straight up West African music (with the exception of a lot of Mandinkan rhythms which specifically swing and are probably the root of where 'swing' came from in Africa) then I prefer notating in 4/4 in triplets and indicating polyrhythmic feels as syncopations against the 4 pulse as is generally felt by the dancers. I find 12/8 to be far to bland an unspecific a map in those musics precisely because it doesn't indicate any 'feel' or point out how the dancers dance, rhythmically. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 20:12:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 001273BE86; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=D6YSXw3DWK2Wb1z756cbAAAosZ4+8K0t+coaibB2EkQ=; b=ofRwGPzScoNSo41VYcxI6vhzdlnjtvjWvH1gprNtV1SftA1A7p72WKqTaAc2pIIuOP S4CPxGgfxCBlg4Z8+XhSg5XSnYaBrmdGHzMlf3Y70dgvUJxCqDI1n7YC5ib2RNWaBPmN qZ6jCMURzGxgI7zFzS5p12xHUjrvHRc+d7X7k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Id5xvu36RrrWhbkgc3ZBPmj2PwkLOfwOIWcmIvIi/ALM1H/xg/kyM3yZs7uh2imlVe f9oRJ9pTq6E2oj48HIzMquii2IlJYxlEjKUzn0lNaT80SUqizqm37G/xZ8LV9KDKegxP q9XUtC0mDKIL8DnbubDgaqqPlgD3DyjLjHguw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:12:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Hey James, Can you give us your parts list for that rack pc? Sylvain On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:29 AM, james fowler wrote: > i built my own rackmount pc.=A0 cost me about 700 bucks and everything ca= me > from newegg.com=A0 it's 3u high and skb makes a deep shock rack that will > accommodate server cases.=A0 for the money it's far more powerful than > anything you could buy off the shelf.=A0 plenty of memory, ram, processor= is > plenty fast, etc.=A0 and i'm not a computer-y person, so don't be dissuad= ed if > you feel that you lack the requisite know-how.=A0 it's pretty much > bone-simple. > > touch screens are dope and all but hp makes a slide-out keyboard/monitor > combo that works great.=A0 i'm typing on it right now, actually.=A0 googl= e > "TFT5600" and see what comes up.=A0 i paid 30 bucks for mine on > ebay...apparently they're absurdly expensive new and absurdly cheap when > bought used.=A0 i use bidule and on anything but the simplest of presets = i'm > needing all the screen i can get.=A0 a tiny touch screen would be > infuriating. > > only things left are a good pci audio interface and midi i/o and you're a= ll > set. > > if anybody is seriously considering something similar, feel free to email= me > off (or on, i suppose) for gory details. > > - jim > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Art Simon wrote: >> >> I've toyed with the idea of building a rack mount music computer. I >> especially like the idea of built-in touchscreen, so you wouldn't need t= o >> have a keyboard and monitor on stage. Here's an example: >> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811321006&Tpk=3D= RPC-919T >> >> What's kept me from doing it is that most of the rack mount server cases >> are too deep for the typical musicians 19" flight case, and while it wou= ld >> be portable, it would be awkward and heavy to carry. Also, the costs sta= rt >> to add up. A laptop seems much more cost effective, unless you already h= ave >> a good desktop and just want to transfer it to a new case. The alienware >> M11x is slightly larger than a netbook and costs under $1000. It could m= ake >> a very portable and unobtrusive music laptop. >> >> >> http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/alienware-m11x/pd.aspx?refid=3D= alienware-m11x&cs=3D19&s=3Ddhs >> >> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:58 AM, G wrote: >>> >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit >>> From: Rainer Straschill >>> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:10:53 +0200 >>> > >>> >Jeff Larson said (with regard to the Altium NanoBoard): >>> >> I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me >>> >> boils down to the operating system. =A0Besides the big things like h= ow >>> >> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also >>> >> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file >>> >> system. >>> 8< >>> >> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac >>> >> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. >>> >> >>> 8< >>> >I just had this idea because a) this hardware has everything you'd nee= d, >>> >b) the "you can't fit M=F6bius into a rack unit" topic had come up jus= t >>> >recently and c) the fact that I assume that something like M=F6bius (d= ue >>> >to its eight parallel engines and a state-machine-oriented logic) real= ly >>> >lends itself to be implemented on a FPGA. >>> > >>> >But there was a reason I neded my originall message with a >>> >smileyface...I perfectly understand that you don't want to get into ye= t >>> >another version to support. >>> > >>> >Yours, >>> > >>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Rainer >>> >>> Hi >>> Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop or pc into a rack >>> is something I'm pondering. =A0I missed the earlier thread. >>> In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers are housed in 19" racks. >>> I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC case installing an adequate >>> computer into it. =A0I've yet to look into the keyboard/mouse/monitor. >>> -- G. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Art Simon >> simart@gmail.com >> myspace [dot] com/artsimon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 20:33:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B64D73BE89; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1284323587; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=DMEPmJ8M+NpLE535ahvQwWC5JMc=; b=j/TXfG5CDqIwvNBBFF+68II7IIrCn8vib1ETyd9EH66jiyAA5pZGKHoEHVxeKyJN K8y80f/1oPnU9NmeHQjpKX5CZTjd4BjeDX5MzKgHJYvjifzvPp5dPrVWfa5V2WjE; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=bMkH8WRmSylW+MpjUlpL1qy+PnsO9haNJyVwH8UicU8= c=1 sm=0 a=E6PZjTDV1H5RiZc8wgrSmQ==:17 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=fQFgWQVweR1w04VoPQQA:9 a=TvUWkj0owGV5l79FT4Rx8Q2obJEA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=0GXzayXv4hcA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=5mFLNXLCN47CN8L9_ZEA:9 a=b3HaqtPSGdOt3LifdJ8A:7 a=4odOD09wFL48r50okCiVeRT6pusA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=E6PZjTDV1H5RiZc8wgrSmQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000c01cb52b9$b5143960$3d7f3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: Frisell and PDS8000 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:33:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CB5298.2D975470" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100912-0, 09/12/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:33:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CB5298.2D975470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have that video "The Guitar Artistry of Bill Frisell" and it does have = that setup which he demos and explains in Part 3 the effects. = Rat-DD3-Pds8000-Alesis(?) stereo reverb. Pretty cool section but short. = Actually a nice DVD, hadn't pulled it out in a while. Can't find any of = it on Youtube though.=20 Not really much on it that you won't figure out. He actually struggles = with it trying to explain what he just does naturally. Very humble quiet = spoken guy. Some nice playing throughout. Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeffrey Collins=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Frisell and PDS8000 you mean the ones from his instructional video. yeah that video made = me wanna get one of those too. jeffrey On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Michael Peters wrote: I bought an ancient Digitech PDS8000 today. Does anyone know youtube = videos where Frisell does his trademark loop manglings with this box? I've = seen him do that live several times but I'd love to see it again now. = -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CB5298.2D975470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have that video "The Guitar = Artistry of Bill=20 Frisell" and it does have that setup which he demos and explains in Part = 3 the=20 effects. Rat-DD3-Pds8000-Alesis(?) stereo reverb. Pretty cool section = but short.=20 Actually a nice DVD, hadn't pulled it out in a while. Can't find any of = it on=20 Youtube though.
 
Not really much on it that you won't = figure out. He=20 actually struggles with it trying to explain what he just does = naturally. Very=20 humble quiet spoken guy. Some nice playing throughout.
 
Jeff
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeffrey Collins =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, September 12, = 2010 3:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: Frisell and = PDS8000

you mean the ones from his instructional video. yeah = that video=20 made me wanna get one of those too.

jeffrey

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Michael = Peters <mp@mpeters.de>=20 wrote:
I=20 bought an ancient Digitech PDS8000 today. Does anyone know youtube=20 videos
where Frisell does his trademark loop manglings with this = box?=20 I've seen him
do that live several times but I'd love to see it = again=20 now. =  -Michael


------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CB5298.2D975470-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 20:44:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E97C53BE92; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=0zICRNO0vwqfV2DxfYds4gSisccHhZPBk/xCkboSX7Y=; b=uidgMws09WNuyrmlX8zz+iCmPNHmavRBG4GTMVjOJz777fC4h5LR7w3DzMxSoagczA zIAJdegkJD/XgX9vdMwMi+MTbB+5Iy+0UREHI48xwY5/a8+Y3MffwB72oQNrfVnRbEQX Ny3Qq24I9KoZ4f6m4IP9q0srC2mBfvsqh3ZWw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=WBP5Anrvgs7CJ4TXoPkO/QRadByF/VBPR6iyRi1ewNYjiR6YYzc3Q2MdXrJclEKIno e8qO6CxBTjXTzOn4SJ3HbyPdyJ9pcHrBaCgDF3gXwRooW4iRU08aCmHFaZiKxndtbHws XfAvRyJHE9uYfAPfFtSsBhSKJz3TwEgjxt1ME= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: darylshawn@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <000c01cb52b9$b5143960$3d7f3447@tbl01fcf9be917> References: <000c01cb52b9$b5143960$3d7f3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:44:01 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: yOP3kFgG5fa7yEiH8wv6X-fwpek Message-ID: Subject: Re: Frisell and PDS8000 From: Daryl Shawn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6ddfe0f374e1d0490160a18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:44:04 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6ddfe0f374e1d0490160a18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Funny, just pulled out my PDS2000 the other day. I like the immediacy of the short loop. And SO much fun in the pitchshifting department. Saw Frisell do a Q & A the other week. He speaks like he plays; fragmented, pithy, with flashes of insight and occasional weird tangents. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com On Sep 12, 2010 4:33 PM, "Jeff Duke" wrote: > I have that video "The Guitar Artistry of Bill Frisell" and it does have that setup which he demos and explains in Part 3 the effects. Rat-DD3-Pds8000-Alesis(?) stereo reverb. Pretty cool section but short. Actually a nice DVD, hadn't pulled it out in a while. Can't find any of it on Youtube though. > > Not really much on it that you won't figure out. He actually struggles with it trying to explain what he just does naturally. Very humble quiet spoken guy. Some nice playing throughout. > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeffrey Collins > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: Frisell and PDS8000 > > > you mean the ones from his instructional video. yeah that video made me wanna get one of those too. > > jeffrey > > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > > I bought an ancient Digitech PDS8000 today. Does anyone know youtube videos > where Frisell does his trademark loop manglings with this box? I've seen him > do that live several times but I'd love to see it again now. -Michael > > > --0016e6ddfe0f374e1d0490160a18 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Funny, just pulled out my PDS2000 the other day. I like the immediacy of= the short loop. And SO much fun in the pitchshifting department.

Saw Frisell do a Q & A the other week. He speaks like he plays; frag= mented, pithy, with flashes of insight and occasional weird tangents.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

On Sep 12, 2010 4:33 PM, "Jeff Duke" <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> I have that video "The Guitar Artistry of Bill Frisell"= ; and it does have that setup which he demos and explains in Part 3 the eff= ects. Rat-DD3-Pds8000-Alesis(?) stereo reverb. Pretty cool section but shor= t. Actually a nice DVD, hadn't pulled it out in a while. Can't find= any of it on Youtube though.
>
> Not really much on it that you won't figure out. He actua= lly struggles with it trying to explain what he just does naturally. Very h= umble quiet spoken guy. Some nice playing throughout.
>
> Jeff=
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff= rey Collins
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Sunday, Sep= tember 12, 2010 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Frisell and PDS8000
>
>
> you mea= n the ones from his instructional video. yeah that video made me wanna get = one of those too.
>
> jeffrey
>
>
> On= Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
>
> I bought an ancient Digitech PDS8000 today. Does anyone k= now youtube videos
> where Frisell does his trademark loop mangli= ngs with this box? I've seen him
> do that live several times= but I'd love to see it again now. -Michael
>
>
>

--0016e6ddfe0f374e1d0490160a18-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 21:24:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D8553BE80; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Px5KRlZLk0zVLsKjg0i8fgbm2vgN/8+ubVaGvISOBcP1M2yUY6md6eqcjcpnS25B; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <33263110.1284326645715.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:24:05 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frisell and PDS8000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48a63e3b2257c377bf17d0c62012140fda8483c75118a9a15a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.29 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:24:08 +0000 (UTC) yes that box is my goto loopthang since i cut my gear waayyyy down. lov the things BF did back in the day w/ it. its pretty easy to figure out where to go w/ the >delay time< knob to get it to work musically-1/2 1/4 1/8 so forth. my main setting is to set the length to 4 sec.-put in a sound then w/ the loop still open twist the delay time to 8sec. then >hold<-i go for the deep end of the pool :-) -----Original Message----- >From: Michael Peters >Sent: Sep 12, 2010 1:40 PM >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Frisell and PDS8000 > >I bought an ancient Digitech PDS8000 today. Does anyone know youtube videos >where Frisell does his trademark loop manglings with this box? I've seen him >do that live several times but I'd love to see it again now. -Michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 22:58:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60CBC3BE86; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 23:58:22 +0100 Subject: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100912225822.0D8B24FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:58:23 +0000 (UTC) >=20 > hey let's hear it.I am curious to learn. So is Mark he just has that Brit= ish > humor about him. Very good observation Anthony & yes I am a big fan of British humor, especi= al Monty Python. > Antony Hequet >=20 > *************************************************** >=20 >=20 > I really don't want to get you wrong (and please correct me if I'm mistak= en), > but what I am > understanding about your stance here is that you seem to be=20 > dismissively telling > us > that you don't understand a musical level of sophistication that is under= stood > by > tens of thousands of groove musicians around the planet (whether they use= the > term > 'sub pulse' or not) and that you profess to have no desire to=20 > educate yourself, > or > grow further as a musician, merely because it is a concept that was=20 > not included > in > your entirely Euro-centric (albeit rigorous and valuable) education about > musical styles. Hm....in fact, I think what I was going for was that I am clearly ignorant = of many things, one being what a "sub-pulse" is & another example I gave of= clearly not having augmented sixths in my head, which I don't. As for "Eur= o-centric" I'm not exactly sure where you came up with that one from as I a= m a big fan of oriental/Indian music & rhythms & both Ravi Shankar & his da= ughter are amazing musicians even though I have no problem admitting that I= have a hard time getting their sound in my head as well because I simply d= on't understand it, even though I love the music. As for being "dismissive"= , that was not my intention. I was rather trying to avoid another flurry of= emails about what a "sub-pulse" is because I have noticed a tenancy in the= se discussions to get so far off topic that I find it almost impossible to = get any kind of idea of what the discussion is really about. If you'd like = to start an email about what a "sub-pulse" is that would be great & I would= welcome the chance to learn something new. My statement about several drum= mers/percussionists attempting to explain the idea to me & my example of th= e poor fellow who took the trip with Albert Einstein was meant to illustrat= e my own current problem with understanding what my drummer/percussionists = friends were trying to explain to me.=20 > I certainly have respect for the 8 years you spent studying Harmony and M= elody > in a rigorous academic environment. Thank you although it wasn't that rigorous actually. And my emphasis was Th= eory & Composition, not Harmony & Melody. =20 > I just find it curious that you don't seem to have the same respect for my > (or any other drummer/percussionist/arrangers) knowledge > which has been accrued from 40 years of playing in popular styled bands a= s a > band leader, > arranger, composer, producer and instrumentalist(33 of them as a=20 > professional). I don't recall making any statement that I don't have any respect for you o= r any other person's knowledge, as once again, I was pointing out my own la= ck of understanding. If you feel that this indicates me showing a lack of r= espect, I must admit that the connection escapes me entirely. BTW,Ringo is = one of my favorite drummers, as well as Bill Bueford & Steve Gadd if this h= elps at all. Also, Nick Mason who as well as Ringo both of whom "float" bet= ter than any other drummers I've ever heard.=20 =20 > I'm positive I could learn a thing or two from you about the things=20 > you have so > deeply studied and am eager to do so if the chance presents itself. Happy to be of service at any time. =20 > I wonder why you don't appear open to knowledge that I (or some other > drummer) could teach you about the world of rhythm, conversely. Again, this is not the case. I have been a teacher since I was around 17 ye= ars old & the core of being a teacher is learning. As Socrates once said wh= en asked what all his wisdom had gained for him, he replied: " That there i= s so much that I do not know" . > The concept of a sub pulse is a very simple one and can be demonstrated v= ery > easily with a few > choice examples. This concept absolutely defines=20 ( I am not a big fan of "absolutes" as I have often found when someone uses= the word that they tend to quickly find the word was ill chosen ) the way human=20 > beings respond > to > syncopation on a neurophysiological level and is easily=20 > demonstrable with sonic > examples. If you are saying that syncopation is a "sub-pulse", then it is not necessa= ry to explain any further. However, I suspect it is not so simple an answer= , no? =20 > I'd be happy to share it with you unless you feel your mind is closed. Now who's being dismissive?=20 --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 12 23:15:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2FF93BE85; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 23:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284333342; bh=0QAtNHA9h6h0pHDL4L/+l4dpQ3z8tGNqrTrPu5PtVSw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X00n4LAzyvN2h4ZeOAsgITVQgF88D3Qd8fOxIUJPa4POWjcCLMM0W76lMqJ6truuKVg+X70mtm97l0YJkSiy7akwYO3AW4SHIAmmPI9U14NtyZyY/32FF6aPHgGRav+9PYF4BTvz7xKz2AAYrwyeZCsZ66sIWF6y8OOE/pIrWNo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=je5wxmgZjW2UIvvk68ico4ZsJsZwPq1Dmbf5lqM1R59KCl8NrAP9D7dzh5R81+X2W13ceTl1FDe2O0RfmMO1nrAl7zVO9YePS7g0EnRv897L0wi/eUklcQX7k8T8rb7SPeWKLIQz9nPmgBQiKfoB1ozi5IICwjx9NNqQ4QT2Zno=; Message-ID: <512765.67409.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KqAoAC8VM1nowJCostqJGGDk84JUyqUd9f1Zv40h43Ozszt q8FjrUAvZDNKGzIZiifn4mgj9PiCoSPD8tKbYKFGFemLw71V.rQXonDwHOPT 1fsT04dRxSbLtAY7SghBDCI._Bq4uyoPci6mnQFE82dmvJsdo7klBe3b1JFD IpuJB70UKv5ikReRjnwrQglqhhfnVJ9nPc621RKX0Shc9pPKqVlz6eW_Gc1m KzkWPRn1xvg37yXgVcQIyzVhs6kZFuhSIBg71VwVyyrlOvhcsbb5gB9lBJeO 7.WSGNnEOgRejZEbE3DAQNWr5g9.he6zSMeKitnh3RoTuwVBXKTCCQjgfHM2 RRA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:15:42 -0700 (PDT) From: david kirkdorffer Subject: Frisell and Digitech To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, mp@mpeters.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1361027987-1284333342=:67409" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 23:15:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-1361027987-1284333342=:67409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael - =0A=0AI know he was using the Digitech on the tour he did with Jo= ey Barron in the =0Alater 90's.=A0=A0 Wonderous!=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.co= m/watch?v=3DFlaRMbPTtOA=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4VkNvfdKt54&f= eature=3Drelated=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuYc2jR5yGDs&feature= =3Drelated=0A=0A=0AI hope that helps.=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-1361027987-1284333342=:67409 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-1361027987-1284333342=:67409-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 00:15:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0659A3BE85; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 00:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:15:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit In-Reply-To: References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20100913001520.D3A2214DD6@ns4.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 00:15:21 +0000 (UTC) I also built a rackmount computer about 4 years ago. At the time I found an old 1U case that was about 11 in deep and put together a computer with an mini intel board (DQ45EK) and a 3 ghz cpu, and 4 gig ram. at the time the largest hard drive was 500 gig but that has proved to be plenty since I'm only using it for live performance. At home I hook up a large monitor for programing but when I perform I just use one of those little touch screens which is adequate to see what's going on in mobius. I'm also using mobius inside of bidule. I'll have to look for one of those slide out monitors though that would be really slick and be much more convienient than pulling out all these small pieces and putting them together. check out this web site, they have a 1U barebones computer for under $600.00 if you add in the intel board, 4 gig ram and 500 gig hard drive. A CPU would add another $200.00 and you have one hell of a rackmount solution. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 00:18:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C15983BE81; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 00:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:18:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit In-Reply-To: <20100913001520.D3A2214DD6@ns4.tnt21.com> References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> <20100913001520.D3A2214DD6@ns4.tnt21.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20100913001807.E918024831@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: <60kSxC.A.IHC.A3WjMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 00:18:08 +0000 (UTC) sorry forgot to put the website..... http://www.itxdepot.com/xcart/product.php?productid=1789&cat=44055&page=1 At 08:15 PM 9/12/2010, you wrote: >I also built a rackmount computer about 4 years ago. At the time I >found an old 1U case that was about 11 in deep and put together a >computer with an mini intel board (DQ45EK) and a 3 ghz cpu, and 4 >gig ram. at the time the largest hard drive was 500 gig but that has >proved to be plenty since I'm only using it for live performance. At >home I hook up a large monitor for programing but when I perform I >just use one of those little touch screens which is adequate to see >what's going on in mobius. I'm also using mobius inside of bidule. >I'll have to look for one of those slide out monitors though that >would be really slick and be much more convienient than pulling out >all these small pieces and putting them together. > >check out this web site, they have a 1U barebones computer for under >$600.00 if you add in the intel board, 4 gig ram and 500 gig hard >drive. A CPU would add another $200.00 and you have one hell of a >rackmount solution. > >Paul Haslem >www.dulcify.ca >Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 03:27:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D79EF3BE89; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 03:27:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C8D9A0D.1040400@theambientping.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 23:27:09 -0400 From: PiNG Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , Dark Seeds , Drone Deep Chill , Loopers Delight , The Ambient Way Subject: 09.14.10 > The PiNG presents Heiki + ben john robertson + Noise Level,+ General Chaos Visuals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4C8D9A11.017F,ss=1,fgs=0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 03:27:14 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 09.14.10 THE AMBiENT PiNG presents iN TECHNOCOLOUR featuring HEIKI + ben john robertson (Hamilton ON) + NOISE LEVEL (London ON) + GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market . just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact PiNG doors open at 8pm . 1st set at 8:30 . $6 . 8:30 . ben john robertson . ben john robertson is an electronic experimental-ambient music and sound artist from Ontario Canada. His works span the spectrum of progressive sound, cathedral music, and melodic dronescapes. His experimental sound material boarders on the emotive where as his heavier drone works encourage his darker horizons. Mine, all mine! records describes one of his 2010 releases "city lights,” as “epic, organ-based minimalist soundscapes.” http://www.myspace.com/benjohnrobertson . 9:30 . HEIKI . Heiki (Hey-Key) is a veteran of the Toronto electronic music scene. Since 1987, Heiki Sillaste has released an impressive catalogue of well over 45 synthesizer-based records and made over 150 compilation appearances. Heiki’s brand new 12 track album Paper+Sound is his first album as a solo artist.The album is stylistically divided into two halves. The first half of the album features spacey minimal deep techno with an emphasis on sub woofing baselines and melodic atmospheres. The second half of the Paper+Sound album explores slower, dubbed- out down-tempo rhythms. Rib cage shaking bass and discrete ambient flourishes feature on all of the subtle melodic soundscapes. Several artistic promotional videos have been completed for the album. The videos have all been created and directed by Heiki and feature abstract imagery and typographic representations of the sounds. http://www.paperplusound.com . 10:30 . NOISE LEVEL . Keyboardist Ed Matthews began Noise Level in 2004 as an ethno-ambient, electronic sound project. The musical objective is to create music that exists in recorded form, yet lends itself to improvisation in a live setting. Noise Level's newest recording is The Liquid Sky: Remixed, which radically transforms earlier material into stronger, beat-driven “live” tracks. It also serves to highlight Mr. Matthews’ developing skills as a composer, keyboardist and producer. Noise Level continues to push toward an Impressionist blend of ethnographic World beats and lush electronic textures – and a Romantic longing for the Infinite. http://www.reverbnation.com/noiselevel . GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS . Bring your space goggles. We'll have a house full of Chaotic Light Painting as both Stephen Lindsey and Eric Siegerman will be providing the technocolour with their analog projectors and hand painted gels for both ben john robertson's and Noise Level's sets. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON: SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 25th . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 05:50:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23BF13BE85; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 05:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 450998.14810.bm@omp122.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284357054; bh=Yvcf3OlMHOppK/++ZT1TNzpD8f4S0ziIjfF+LDNr85o=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=enaWeJ4CJNHs6GvDdsowg2vFp0tcT58fD5tA8Kfod0Hhu5Qp9z6eZ/eqdbuYktACPopgMXP8iEjPDZd4mH0XwKsV3bgHn4O395zk1me2YkVY67eXJN4uIxb49kfzckKeh2WAP5IKNvWN3PqwuXupnkM1nrpIgoZlTstvALl6mk0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UidFcqb8tUVP9elKgZToDP/53JtSFF5ej8xKIfeAwTp31dFZSznLeZmCGJOvX/rG8JyPbhyZgG2O5IQGCgh2707N7QuatgfROU1Y5ev89Hu9uNzHt6l8bK4VKW/N+MYy55fbVBBRh0YHW23u2r+NQMOt8gdByEmuVRlJf3AaX+M=; Message-ID: <260203.91870.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: A15c.kQVM1m0QHXo47xOWoyKjsjUYYiIao2QZIvUd1zY_qt NcoQj4Myx0Pnlk2vXHpY.LQ2FOqXdZNf8tNRRNFxVEdK2rR_JGqRATMPM0m3 oYN4V1iwTFni19s.9N9wH1l7gZKyKeA8Hs1WYKH1GfAgvpw.s8A_I3XacnaW T6SMq3w7V0QQkejxVVuxMXeJdajE9FmYsAtQa33QVF9P1jzmbQCfRescOcIv uunw0OCMGANa_G4VyYTvEwZf_TEvlTrsEZa5igUBbdYHssNtYyzhozETiSOj 45uFNDVmmBaQCLxM5bP4Yu86CoIc1aaQpvMKzLuetVoNu7GJI8V6crlLuYq. eSWqq1W.wAqEPAzJZSGj_XooeSMUUop40eb5h.S8- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <20100912225822.0D8B24FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:50:53 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100912225822.0D8B24FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 05:50:55 +0000 (UTC) =FCddly enough, I am sure Monty Python would do a good job conveying what t= he sub =0Apulse is. I did take thta trip to the bottom of the ocean and I d= id get a sense =0Aof the sub pulse. By the way, I also struggled with Einst= ein and then after =0Ayears I got it. The focus should be placed on experie= ncing, perceiving, rather =0Athan understanding. People who discover stuff = in physics have a flash, they do =0Anot build theories like lego; that part= comes after. Math was created to convey =0Athese illuminations to others w= ho hopefully speak mathematics. The accent should =0Abe put on getting it, = having the same or a similar experience, recreating the =0Aoriginal illumin= ation. So let's imagination some conditions which would be =0Afavorable to = experience of sub pulse, let's be illuminated. Then we will go see =0Awhat = the girls are doing down there with my double.=0A=0AAntony=0A=0A=0A----- Or= iginal Message ----=0AFrom: Mark Showalter =0ATo= : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Mon, September 13, 2010 12:58= :22 AM=0ASubject: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rh= ythms: 3/4, =0A4/4, 6/8, 12/8=0A=0A=0A=0A> =0A> hey let's hear it.I am curi= ous to learn. So is Mark he just has that British=0A> humor about him.=0A= =0AVery good observation Anthony & yes I am a big fan of British humor, esp= ecial =0AMonty Python.=0A=0A> Antony Hequet=0A> =0A> **********************= *****************************=0A> =0A> =0A> I really don't want to get you = wrong (and please correct me if I'm mistaken),=0A> but what I am=0A> unders= tanding about your stance here is that you seem to be =0A> dismissively tel= ling=0A> us=0A> that you don't understand a musical level of sophistication= that is understood=0A> by=0A> tens of thousands of groove musicians around= the planet (whether they use the=0A> term=0A> 'sub pulse' or not) and that= you profess to have no desire to =0A> educate yourself,=0A> or=0A> grow fu= rther as a musician, merely because it is a concept that was =0A> not inclu= ded=0A> in=0A> your entirely Euro-centric (albeit rigorous and valuable) ed= ucation about=0A> musical styles.=0A=0AHm....in fact, I think what I was go= ing for was that I am clearly ignorant of =0Amany things, one being what a = "sub-pulse" is & another example I gave of clearly =0Anot having augmented = sixths in my head, which I don't. As for "Euro-centric" I'm =0Anot exactly = sure where you came up with that one from as I am a big fan of =0Aoriental/= Indian music & rhythms & both Ravi Shankar & his daughter are amazing =0Amu= sicians even though I have no problem admitting that I have a hard time =0A= getting their sound in my head as well because I simply don't understand it= , =0Aeven though I love the music. As for being "dismissive", that was not = my =0Aintention. I was rather trying to avoid another flurry of emails abou= t what a =0A"sub-pulse" is because I have noticed a tenancy in these discus= sions to get so =0Afar off topic that I find it almost impossible to get an= y kind of idea of what =0Athe discussion is really about. If you'd like to = start an email about what a =0A"sub-pulse" is that would be great & I would= welcome the chance to learn =0Asomething new. My statement about several d= rummers/percussionists attempting to =0Aexplain the idea to me & my example= of the poor fellow who took the trip with =0AAlbert Einstein was meant to = illustrate my own current problem with =0Aunderstanding what my drummer/per= cussionists friends were trying to explain to =0Ame. =0A=0A=0A> I certainly= have respect for the 8 years you spent studying Harmony and Melody=0A> in = a rigorous academic environment.=0A=0AThank you although it wasn't that rig= orous actually. And my emphasis was Theory =0A& Composition, not Harmony & = Melody.=0A=0A> I just find it curious that you don't seem to have the same = respect for my=0A> (or any other drummer/percussionist/arrangers) knowledge= =0A> which has been accrued from 40 years of playing in popular styled band= s as a=0A> band leader,=0A> arranger, composer, producer and instrumentalis= t(33 of them as a =0A> professional).=0A=0AI don't recall making any statem= ent that I don't have any respect for you or any =0Aother person's knowledg= e, as once again, I was pointing out my own lack of =0Aunderstanding. If yo= u feel that this indicates me showing a lack of respect, I =0Amust admit th= at the connection escapes me entirely. BTW,Ringo is one of my =0Afavorite d= rummers, as well as Bill Bueford & Steve Gadd if this helps at all. =0AAlso= , Nick Mason who as well as Ringo both of whom "float" better than any othe= r =0Adrummers I've ever heard. =0A=0A=0A=0A> I'm positive I could learn a t= hing or two from you about the things =0A> you have so=0A> deeply studied a= nd am eager to do so if the chance presents itself.=0A=0AHappy to be of ser= vice at any time.=0A=0A> I wonder why you don't appear open to knowledge t= hat I (or some other=0A> drummer) could teach you about the world of rhythm= , conversely.=0A=0AAgain, this is not the case. I have been a teacher since= I was around 17 years =0Aold & the core of being a teacher is learning. As= Socrates once said when asked =0Awhat all his wisdom had gained for him, h= e replied: " That there is so much that =0AI do not know" .=0A=0A> The conc= ept of a sub pulse is a very simple one and can be demonstrated very=0A> ea= sily with a few=0A> choice examples. This concept absolutely defines =0A=0A= ( I am not a big fan of "absolutes" as I have often found when someone uses= the =0Aword that they tend to quickly find the word was ill chosen )=0A=0A= the way human =0A> beings respond=0A> to=0A> syncopation on a neurophysiolo= gical level and is easily =0A> demonstrable with sonic=0A> examples.=0A=0AI= f you are saying that syncopation is a "sub-pulse", then it is not necessar= y to =0Aexplain any further. However, I suspect it is not so simple an answ= er, no?=0A=0A> I'd be happy to share it with you unless you feel your mind = is closed.=0A=0ANow who's being dismissive? =0A=0A=0A-- =0A________________= _______________________________=0ASurf the Web in a faster, safer and easie= r way:=0ADownload Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 09:21:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 280EC3BE85; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <512765.67409.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frisell and Digitech Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 05:20:55 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 75.11.48.8 In-Reply-To: <512765.67409.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Patrick Bishop X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CD213C1A4E6A1B_BF0_14F96_Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32644-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD213C1A49A759-BF0-10198@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: PJBMHB@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:21:12 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8CD213C1A4E6A1B_BF0_14F96_Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I love his version of "LIve to Tell"! I remember playing that for a friend= a long, long time ago and all of a sudden he shouted, "Oh my God, is that= a Madonna song!!??" It was hysterical. Bill is awesome! PJ -----Original Message----- From: david kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; mp@mpeters.de Sent: Sun, Sep 12, 2010 7:15 pm Subject: Frisell and Digitech Michael -=20 =20 I know he was using the Digitech on the tour he did with Joey Barron in th= e later 90's. Wonderous! =20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFlaRMbPTtOA =20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4VkNvfdKt54&feature=3Drelated =20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuYc2jR5yGDs&feature=3Drelated =20 =20 I hope that helps. =20 =20 =20 ----------MB_8CD213C1A4E6A1B_BF0_14F96_Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I love his version of "LIve to Tell"! I remember playing that for= a friend a long, long time ago and all of a sudden he shouted, "Oh my God= , is that a Madonna song!!??" It was hysterical. Bill is awesome!

PJ



----= -Original Message-----
From: david kirkdorffer <unstrungone@yahoo.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; mp@mpeters.de
Sent: Sun, Sep 12, 2010 7:15 pm
Subject: Frisell and Digitech

Michael -
 
I know he was using the Digitech on the tour he did with Joey Barron= in the later 90's.   Wonderous!
 
 
 
 
 
I hope that helps.
 

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----------MB_8CD213C1A4E6A1B_BF0_14F96_Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 11:15:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FE2E3BE81; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 493552972/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.183/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.183 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApEBABukjUxYbRq3/2dsb2JhbAAH0yuNToVABI0a X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,358,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="493552972" Message-ID: <4C8E07CD.4060000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:15:25 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 References: <4C8D3307.9070400@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4C8D3307.9070400@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > > Andy Butler asked > > "Any examples to illustrate? " > > to my observation: > "In this case, it can be a more flexible map to write 8th notes with > 'swing' over the top of them. > > Yes, specifically go listen to the tunes that swing from the Neville > Brothers. > Other examples, though generated entirely by drum machines are the grooves > from Garage/Two Step, the UK dance musics. > > Andy said: > > "Maybe this relates to the Eastern European notion > of "short" and "long" dance steps. " > > Actually, no, that's not what I'm referring to at all. > Almost entirely, short dance steps are in phrases of 2 sub pulse and > long dance steps are > phrases of 3 sub pulses. I'd be thinking that "almost entirely" covers swing as well. A uk dance genre seems as tightly defined as to be a single composition. Neville Bros on Spotify ...and the Meters? I'm indeed squirming at the generalisation about ethnic music :-) Quite a lot of it simply doesn't relate to the recent Western grid time idea. It's a broad generalisation to say that swing *is* played at 67%. ( ha...squirm So, we have 2 different note lengths normally at a ratio of 2:1 but on occasion known to become more equal, particularly as the tempo increases. > > Andy also said: > > "Actually the drummer I play with has been criticised at college because > his swing wasn't bang on 66.7%. > ( don't worry, I was able to re-assure him) " > > What's important here for your drummer, probably, was that he could only > play > where he played.................. I don't think so, if he was hearing triplet swing he'd lock into into it. We're well practised at staying on the same riff and making the music really vary by changing the feel (with me on bass). I think the college guy simply believed that swing had to be triplet. > I've found that when playing 56%-60% swing that it's really helpful to > think binarily > in your fills (playing only two notes coherent with the swing > percentage) whereas when you play 64%70% swing that if feels better to > play ternary (triplet 8th notes) :-) makes sense It's nice to put theory to it. Have to admit I do that stuff purely by ear, so probably not very reliable. I wonder if using a percentage is the best way to quantify? Probably it does very well as long as the tempo doesn't vary. ( I'm not a fan of fixed tempo as such) It would be equally interesting, perhaps, to have the swing settable as a fixed amount of time, either as a delay from the 50% point, or an advance from the 67%. > Andy said, > "neither "4/4 swing" nor "12/8" tells the whole story > in every situation." > > Actually from my experience So logical to conclude your experience doesn't cover "every situation". > I find 12/8 to be far to bland an > unspecific a map in those musics precisely because it doesn't indicate > any 'feel' or point out how the dancers dance, rhythmically. > ok, I think this is the point you missed (and edited out more than once) "4/4 swing" is just hopeless as a notation if the music *combines* swung and straights. ..and it's not exactly brilliant for notating the second beat of a triplet. here's an example (from the late eighties iirc) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6ZONZ_b7zs (with a straight 8 variation in the tune near the end of the clip, after the bit that really is in 4/4) I have the scribbled score before me now, marked "4/4 swing feel" at the top of the page (thus conveying *all* the info that writing in 4/4 swing would convey) but written in 6/8. As *all* Western notation tends to conceptually attach the offbeat to the on-beat preceding it rather than the on-beat following it it's never going to be my ideal system. I don't see it as defining the feel, just an aid to learning the tune. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 12:24:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D3333BE81; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 28293.87759.bm@omp114.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284380667; bh=+qD6Z5ZZIwKmT8KKcErixJGwc8SPkKuvdqRfL6SPmn0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=esMnLPosY1CLBNHk2cjs8bfcM9+mjzR9CgJbOYpFHZRJqmR8IsVV/CTcCsejEvyekGXX+lNa8bbyyNJ9VoLIV+mmDql4FMi0SVE0wvsPScXaGkC0Gx5Nse764ezjbhBTwN9n0WSBWAHIH5K9BfoeLoJ2+BHt+6oTdYqvyJWQ+TE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KR2mx3wTzJLLyRyBKpllJgWF2g9kWdZTvIStNa8cVzJYPYvQRanUNJAr+7DCHxR0C/GWOW2Urr0n1SzVGslP604UF8y0H1nYfOKjc1lDHtT7W0DNfAeHI4Pec9hK3PgYscYppM4CQYUEGMwf9IGtqE+ltbHokHSCxR7GyquDQZ4=; Message-ID: <786231.63454.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Xq63m50VM1l5Uzm6sNf4dpdA3UdPe_wFiwCC1XYDGdnk8rV dDHBjb2uLg4fpkuEa7deFY.Wek6g5RLF9AAMIU_P4l_wzdw_Nr5RKiUaSpOJ 7k3MwYf_0iyaVeJcV76juuM7an0hIRB8b7igY9ZAbx_5tdrGNVMiYbodCv9Z Rhunad2Z1ZokvP7FOJYk7BYmeIHzaiiuGmnrpY_fCPfNJUmGbGTke_hPoRC0 OfadbzeXFkWbLuXakniRvBQVdT1FPFly9COLlU8kTGM.3PXFEi9zra7nJShL GslMVD3FyuuN_F2mdlePwNH7ENkqRo.urPKzKErD_MFUXDPXPm88ZZdCFfct fChWNULue0pY- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <4C8D3307.9070400@cruzio.com> <4C8E07CD.4060000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 05:24:27 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4C8E07CD.4060000@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:24:28 +0000 (UTC) OK so what's a sub pulse? Antony Hequet scuba diver ----- Original Message ---- From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 1:15:25 PM Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 Rick Walker wrote: > > Andy Butler asked > > "Any examples to illustrate? " > > to my observation: > "In this case, it can be a more flexible map to write 8th notes with 'swing' >over the top of them. > > Yes, specifically go listen to the tunes that swing from the Neville Brothers. > Other examples, though generated entirely by drum machines are the grooves > from Garage/Two Step, the UK dance musics. > > Andy said: > > "Maybe this relates to the Eastern European notion > of "short" and "long" dance steps. " > > Actually, no, that's not what I'm referring to at all. > Almost entirely, short dance steps are in phrases of 2 sub pulse and long >dance steps are > phrases of 3 sub pulses. I'd be thinking that "almost entirely" covers swing as well. A uk dance genre seems as tightly defined as to be a single composition. Neville Bros on Spotify ...and the Meters? I'm indeed squirming at the generalisation about ethnic music :-) Quite a lot of it simply doesn't relate to the recent Western grid time idea. It's a broad generalisation to say that swing *is* played at 67%. ( ha...squirm So, we have 2 different note lengths normally at a ratio of 2:1 but on occasion known to become more equal, particularly as the tempo increases. > > Andy also said: > > "Actually the drummer I play with has been criticised at college because his >swing wasn't bang on 66.7%. > ( don't worry, I was able to re-assure him) " > > What's important here for your drummer, probably, was that he could only play > where he played.................. I don't think so, if he was hearing triplet swing he'd lock into into it. We're well practised at staying on the same riff and making the music really vary by changing the feel (with me on bass). I think the college guy simply believed that swing had to be triplet. > I've found that when playing 56%-60% swing that it's really helpful to think >binarily > in your fills (playing only two notes coherent with the swing percentage) >whereas when you play 64%70% swing that if feels better to play ternary (triplet >8th notes) :-) makes sense It's nice to put theory to it. Have to admit I do that stuff purely by ear, so probably not very reliable. I wonder if using a percentage is the best way to quantify? Probably it does very well as long as the tempo doesn't vary. ( I'm not a fan of fixed tempo as such) It would be equally interesting, perhaps, to have the swing settable as a fixed amount of time, either as a delay from the 50% point, or an advance from the 67%. > Andy said, > "neither "4/4 swing" nor "12/8" tells the whole story > in every situation." > > Actually from my experience So logical to conclude your experience doesn't cover "every situation". > I find 12/8 to be far to bland an unspecific a map in those musics precisely >because it doesn't indicate any 'feel' or point out how the dancers dance, >rhythmically. > ok, I think this is the point you missed (and edited out more than once) "4/4 swing" is just hopeless as a notation if the music *combines* swung and straights. ..and it's not exactly brilliant for notating the second beat of a triplet. here's an example (from the late eighties iirc) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6ZONZ_b7zs (with a straight 8 variation in the tune near the end of the clip, after the bit that really is in 4/4) I have the scribbled score before me now, marked "4/4 swing feel" at the top of the page (thus conveying *all* the info that writing in 4/4 swing would convey) but written in 6/8. As *all* Western notation tends to conceptually attach the offbeat to the on-beat preceding it rather than the on-beat following it it's never going to be my ideal system. I don't see it as defining the feel, just an aid to learning the tune. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 13:27:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 728E23BE87; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 740091.30438.bm@omp106.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284384423; bh=uIVqq2s9YYiBZgYxMW36DN43f1YNFJe9tUqMH60ylCY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0mhWTFEoyvuALtCvZExq1pQrd+olteSOsC3n0mtjtHfMyVM56IrVaDISmIx+bXJlZhLY39Bg4m32SZIodW4Cs9XNfQMrKxgQo7KbG1LNWEEtwCvoJAM4qip7navwLjMZJY0OyJPf9h4SksdImjGn61sQvZYgbTtMjKsVBF5mKe8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MxWouFGi1DycMoEXl+r9IvZbA/2hfZSLsCVOVgpdeIzAVN/goKKLl9hTUfKDF40ThPdbz4ftLB1xksHZxPW0uOraRS00o+4vKB79Nuosl0vZcBGRLmH+xW0ZPcUYqV9sXeiAF1L1NYxRzqKLL7OSWcShtBI4t31wR6iHWsXZT5A=; Message-ID: <628564.26683.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ddGjmO0VM1mxWTfNKCT5evJ.Bg2xcua1GWYnvFSYJUspzyL F7E1lqa8yGUY2lxtjSgzoeGC4t94K0CM67FdH3OwcN1pQ2MDhWfGWl65bVtP PCnJHt4ibNy94a7fV.hrmd1CX1Ls5MiXWqGIPHuCaPlt6eMFthW5gSxNFwTt D857aXANhUefPRq1en82rua9P8xJe9a491.hHW.fpTsd6HwYdXVTRqaL.ksy cwZPpY9CyGlY5RjN47s8JkIXBVUGIPdsORHKybbC8hKfIDvKq27g6A_J6dYa RbF9qCLutq_2WbVyr7OL7hr.pnhaaxfoOnyd8OtZgvbS941XnQIbScOciO6u BFSmEAEQkHUkNZRayKkinKZYzkH6LrzdgO4Q2qxc- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <4C8D3307.9070400@cruzio.com> <4C8E07CD.4060000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:27:03 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: question for tech junkies To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4C8E07CD.4060000@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Ok here it is. I recently traded my analog board for a Yamaha DM1000VCM, so I could have more IN and especially more OUT buss aux direct OUT etc... The idea was to have everything in the studio plugged in and then use the board as a patch with memory. I got three cards: one mLAN (MIDI and audio firewire), one ADAT with 16 channels, one analog 8 IN 8 OUT. Now the first thing that happened is that the mLAN card was faulty. So I sent that back to Yamaha and am now waiting to get it back. This was supposed to be my way into the computer for recording in the studio, and most important in concert. The DM1000 is very compact so I imagined I would have it all: - direct multichannel recording with one firewire cable - call up patches for different looping configurations with a program change from a pedal - basic compressor EQ and effects per channel. Now I got the ADAT card for a low price and figured I would experiment with it too. The point is I could use my current RME Multiface interface to expand the number of IN OUT channels. Getting to the point here, the mLAN let down got me thinking (I take it as an omen): why not can mLAN and buy one of these new firewire interfaces like the Focusrite Saffire Liquid 56, and have more flexibility while keeping the Firewire (well plus two ADAT cables no big deal) simplicity. Anybody have experince, knowledge or simply a solid opinion about the merits of mLAN versus this other approach. Basically the Saffire (or RME Fireface, or Multiface II) would have ADAT 2x8 going to the DM1000 thru the Yamaha ADAT board ( 16 IN - !6 OUT), and firewire running to my computer. I have no experience with firewire or mLAN because I was using a card into my PowerBook from the RME multiface. ADAT seems to be pretty reliable in the studio but I have no experience with ADAT on stage. Here is how I see it : mLAN is simpler (although the Yamha software to set it up in the computer is rather obscure at first sight). ADAT + firewire gives more inputs and flexibility (the routing matrix) bit also adds complexity. I did a lot of head scratching yesterday just trying to get sound IN and OUT of the board plus RME inertface and audio Matrix despite the fact that I am pretty familiar with the matrix. By the way, how flexible is the Matrix on the Saffire Liquid 56. I read different things about it; the first release sounded pretty stiff but it probably has been improved in the meantime. Of course, I am really tempted to stick with my first idea because both in the studio and on stage I love a set up which I can just forget about so I can play it like one big musical instrument. I am looping acoustic percussion, electronic and sampled percussion, using synths with and without sequencers, and last but not least chapman stick, blues harp and voice (my main instrument)... Anyway, anyone who is not dead of boredom reading all this: any contribution which may help me sort this out is most welcome. Cheers mate, salut les mecs, ciao Antony Hequet ----- Original Message ---- From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 1:15:25 PM Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 Rick Walker wrote: > > Andy Butler asked > > "Any examples to illustrate? " > > to my observation: > "In this case, it can be a more flexible map to write 8th notes with 'swing' >over the top of them. > > Yes, specifically go listen to the tunes that swing from the Neville Brothers. > Other examples, though generated entirely by drum machines are the grooves > from Garage/Two Step, the UK dance musics. > > Andy said: > > "Maybe this relates to the Eastern European notion > of "short" and "long" dance steps. " > > Actually, no, that's not what I'm referring to at all. > Almost entirely, short dance steps are in phrases of 2 sub pulse and long >dance steps are > phrases of 3 sub pulses. I'd be thinking that "almost entirely" covers swing as well. A uk dance genre seems as tightly defined as to be a single composition. Neville Bros on Spotify ...and the Meters? I'm indeed squirming at the generalisation about ethnic music :-) Quite a lot of it simply doesn't relate to the recent Western grid time idea. It's a broad generalisation to say that swing *is* played at 67%. ( ha...squirm So, we have 2 different note lengths normally at a ratio of 2:1 but on occasion known to become more equal, particularly as the tempo increases. > > Andy also said: > > "Actually the drummer I play with has been criticised at college because his >swing wasn't bang on 66.7%. > ( don't worry, I was able to re-assure him) " > > What's important here for your drummer, probably, was that he could only play > where he played.................. I don't think so, if he was hearing triplet swing he'd lock into into it. We're well practised at staying on the same riff and making the music really vary by changing the feel (with me on bass). I think the college guy simply believed that swing had to be triplet. > I've found that when playing 56%-60% swing that it's really helpful to think >binarily > in your fills (playing only two notes coherent with the swing percentage) >whereas when you play 64%70% swing that if feels better to play ternary (triplet >8th notes) :-) makes sense It's nice to put theory to it. Have to admit I do that stuff purely by ear, so probably not very reliable. I wonder if using a percentage is the best way to quantify? Probably it does very well as long as the tempo doesn't vary. ( I'm not a fan of fixed tempo as such) It would be equally interesting, perhaps, to have the swing settable as a fixed amount of time, either as a delay from the 50% point, or an advance from the 67%. > Andy said, > "neither "4/4 swing" nor "12/8" tells the whole story > in every situation." > > Actually from my experience So logical to conclude your experience doesn't cover "every situation". > I find 12/8 to be far to bland an unspecific a map in those musics precisely >because it doesn't indicate any 'feel' or point out how the dancers dance, >rhythmically. > ok, I think this is the point you missed (and edited out more than once) "4/4 swing" is just hopeless as a notation if the music *combines* swung and straights. ..and it's not exactly brilliant for notating the second beat of a triplet. here's an example (from the late eighties iirc) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6ZONZ_b7zs (with a straight 8 variation in the tune near the end of the clip, after the bit that really is in 4/4) I have the scribbled score before me now, marked "4/4 swing feel" at the top of the page (thus conveying *all* the info that writing in 4/4 swing would convey) but written in 6/8. As *all* Western notation tends to conceptually attach the offbeat to the on-beat preceding it rather than the on-beat following it it's never going to be my ideal system. I don't see it as defining the feel, just an aid to learning the tune. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 14:19:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EA963BE81; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:19:01 +0100 Subject: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 X-Originating-Ip: 12.232.29.12 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100913141901.D9B1615F021@c-in3ws--03-03.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:19:02 +0000 (UTC) >=20 >=20 > =FCddly enough, I am sure Monty Python would do a good job conveying=20 > what the sub > pulse is.=20 Agreed, although the explanation would probably involve soft pillows & Caro= l Cleveland in scanty attire which I don't think would do much to clear up = the issue.... =20 I did take thta trip to the bottom of the ocean and I did=20 > get a sense > of the sub pulse. Good for you! By the way, I also struggled with Einstein and then after > years I got it. The focus should be placed on experiencing, perceiving, r= ather > than understanding. I think you've got that the wrong way round: the focus should be on underst= anding by experiencing, perceiving. Einstein clearly stated he wanted to u= nderstand how the universe worked. People who discover stuff in physics have a flash, they do > not build theories like lego; that part comes after. Math was=20 > created to convey > these illuminations to others who hopefully speak mathematics. I agree that does ocassionaly happen, but there have been lots of examples= of a theory that was built up over a long period of time & then the eviden= ce for or against came round. Just take relativity for example: the idea th= at light bends ( yes, it came in a "flash" pun intended ) but the professo= r had to do a lot of work to get it right including having the amout of ben= ding off by half at first. The=20 > accent should > be put on getting it, having the same or a similar experience, recreating= the > original illumination. Absolutely agree. As in science, we should all be able to do the same exper= iment or have the same experience & get the same results. So let's imagination some conditions which would be > favorable to experience of sub pulse, let's be illuminated. I would say a clear definiteion would be a good place to start. Then we=20 > will go see > what the girls are doing down there with my double. I doubt my hormoans would survive that experience! >=20 > Antony >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mark Showalter > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 12:58:22 AM > Subject: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: = 3/4, > 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > > > hey let's hear it.I am curious to learn. So is Mark he just has that Br= itish > > humor about him. >=20 > Very good observation Anthony & yes I am a big fan of British humor, espe= cial > Monty Python. >=20 > > Antony Hequet > > > > *************************************************** > > > > > > I really don't want to get you wrong (and please correct me if I'm mist= aken), > > but what I am > > understanding about your stance here is that you seem to be=20 > > dismissively telling > > us > > that you don't understand a musical level of sophistication that=20 > > is understood > > by > > tens of thousands of groove musicians around the planet (whether they u= se the > > term > > 'sub pulse' or not) and that you profess to have no desire to=20 > > educate yourself, > > or > > grow further as a musician, merely because it is a concept that=20 > > was not included > > in > > your entirely Euro-centric (albeit rigorous and valuable) education abo= ut > > musical styles. >=20 > Hm....in fact, I think what I was going for was that I am clearly ignoran= t of > many things, one being what a "sub-pulse" is & another example I=20 > gave of clearly > not having augmented sixths in my head, which I don't. As for=20 > "Euro-centric" I'm > not exactly sure where you came up with that one from as I am a big fan of > oriental/Indian music & rhythms & both Ravi Shankar & his daughter are am= azing > musicians even though I have no problem admitting that I have a hard time > getting their sound in my head as well because I simply don't understand = it, > even though I love the music. As for being "dismissive", that was not my > intention. I was rather trying to avoid another flurry of emails about wh= at a > "sub-pulse" is because I have noticed a tenancy in these discussions to g= et so > far off topic that I find it almost impossible to get any kind of idea of= what > the discussion is really about. If you'd like to start an email about wha= t a > "sub-pulse" is that would be great & I would welcome the chance to learn > something new. My statement about several drummers/percussionists=20 > attempting to > explain the idea to me & my example of the poor fellow who took the trip = with > Albert Einstein was meant to illustrate my own current problem with > understanding what my drummer/percussionists friends were trying to expla= in to > me. >=20 >=20 > > I certainly have respect for the 8 years you spent studying=20 > > Harmony and Melody > > in a rigorous academic environment. >=20 > Thank you although it wasn't that rigorous actually. And my=20 > emphasis was Theory > & Composition, not Harmony & Melody. >=20 > > I just find it curious that you don't seem to have the same respect for= my > > (or any other drummer/percussionist/arrangers) knowledge > > which has been accrued from 40 years of playing in popular styled bands= as a > > band leader, > > arranger, composer, producer and instrumentalist(33 of them as a=20 > > professional). >=20 > I don't recall making any statement that I don't have any respect=20 > for you or any > other person's knowledge, as once again, I was pointing out my own lack of > understanding. If you feel that this indicates me showing a lack of respe= ct, I > must admit that the connection escapes me entirely. BTW,Ringo is one of my > favorite drummers, as well as Bill Bueford & Steve Gadd if this helps at = all. > Also, Nick Mason who as well as Ringo both of whom "float" better=20 > than any other > drummers I've ever heard. >=20 >=20 >=20 > > I'm positive I could learn a thing or two from you about the=20 > > things you have so > > deeply studied and am eager to do so if the chance presents itself. >=20 > Happy to be of service at any time. >=20 > > I wonder why you don't appear open to knowledge that I (or some other > > drummer) could teach you about the world of rhythm, conversely. >=20 > Again, this is not the case. I have been a teacher since I was around 17 = years > old & the core of being a teacher is learning. As Socrates once=20 > said when asked > what all his wisdom had gained for him, he replied: " That there is=20 > so much that > I do not know" . >=20 > > The concept of a sub pulse is a very simple one and can be demonstrated= very > > easily with a few > > choice examples. This concept absolutely defines >=20 > ( I am not a big fan of "absolutes" as I have often found when=20 > someone uses the > word that they tend to quickly find the word was ill chosen ) >=20 > the way human > > beings respond > > to > > syncopation on a neurophysiological level and is easily=20 > > demonstrable with sonic > > examples. >=20 > If you are saying that syncopation is a "sub-pulse", then it is not=20 > necessary to > explain any further. However, I suspect it is not so simple an answer, no? >=20 > > I'd be happy to share it with you unless you feel your mind is closed. >=20 > Now who's being dismissive? >=20 >=20 > -- > _______________________________________________ > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 15:00:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F4C63BE7F; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:00:03 EDT Subject: OT: PDS 1002 for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e43ad.12906932.39bf9673_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.5 sub 185 X-AOL-IP: 96.255.218.99 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Violindave@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:00:17 +0000 (UTC) --part1_e43ad.12906932.39bf9673_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seeing the thread on the PDS 8000 I'm going to exhume my RDS 8000. I have a mint PDS 1002 for sale, original box, manual thingy. Don't have the power supply, which is an optional easily available, it also runs off 9 volt batteries but is pretty juice intensive. Contact me off list if anyone is interested Dave --part1_e43ad.12906932.39bf9673_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Seeing the thread on the PDS 8000 I'm going to exhume my RDS 8000. I= have=20 a mint PDS 1002 for sale, original box, manual thingy. Don't have the= power=20 supply, which is an optional easily available, it also runs off 9 volt bat= teries=20 but is pretty juice intensive.
Contact me off list if anyone is interested
Dave
 --part1_e43ad.12906932.39bf9673_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 15:08:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A60F53BE88; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aAmz4vJHGBJ+ku55v3KuE4MPEmGlX3AXCfnrNjrElBE=; b=ZkE2OR8p9W2ikM+FQdrTEhbVhdI1Y6YPPDNqgVFeCKdYIELrROWh1h2G2FE2m+pIfi UtlKkQXoazsUuK97d//6YJA1vQ8euw2A0fqGpwpHoouVngAiRO6XENPaixSw7aHvI/zm uKgVegKlhjntVGq8FhIPZ6A+1+6GhKDWtj7jk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=FeaSZce8r/7EpWgVOmHjRTC/5VgEX5HhGcXW5vtRa/CIEjzZZkTGxFQW8TJyC8jiZ8 ZmyM8tTp7vddmo9Uax+RFo6elHQFO3UNdo/iZlz7/TkaIV+LWPTNlRZZttcvBuQFLOgn 8wVVV/JcRiLOBRmIgn2BYxQ7C7tJ53kT3o6Eg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 10:08:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Frisell and PDS8000 From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502d4b52e7e7704902578bb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:08:34 +0000 (UTC) --00504502d4b52e7e7704902578bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i think if you do a youtube search there is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YObRPim1Uvk he sort of shows what the pds8000 can do, i think the looping part or long delays are too short. but gives you a feel.... there are some others on there too, just don't have time to watch them. if i remember correctly, BF used the pds8000 when his original EH 16ddl started to die he has also used a line 6 DL4 for looping as well.... i'm still not sure why BF & Nels Cline haven't taken to the reissue of the EH16DDL, i think it's a great box, easy to use, the sliders make everything nice and visual, and i love the pitchshifting options...as Stan says, the pitching down for that slow underwater feel is most fun!!!!!! and the eh16ddl-ri does it nicely.... obviously it appears that Nels C.'s original eh16ddl is still working, i've seen lots of good examples of him using it in the last few months on a couple of DVDs.... the PDS8000 is an interesting box, do need some more demo vids of it doing some looping on youtube that's for sure. not sure why digitech hasn't reissued it, the new jamman delay thing, doesn't look like it at all, but i haven't seen any vids for it either....& haven't heard too many raving about it...might be there's too much out there to chose from now? which seems to be an odd place since i've been looping for almost 10 yrs....quite a journey for looping gear in options now.... s--- www.myspace.com/scotthansen --00504502d4b52e7e7704902578bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i think if you do a youtube search there is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYOb= RPim1Uvk

he sort of shows what the pds8000 can do, i think the l= ooping part or long delays are too short.
but gives you a feel....

there are some others on there too, just do= n't have time to watch them.

if i remember correctly, BF used th= e pds8000 when his original EH 16ddl started to die

he has also used= a line 6 DL4 for looping as well....


i'm still not sure why BF & Nels Cline haven't taken to= the reissue of the EH16DDL, i think it's a great box, easy to use, the= sliders make everything
nice and visual, and i love the pitchshifting o= ptions...as Stan says, the pitching down for that slow underwater feel is m= ost fun!!!!!!
and the eh16ddl-ri does it nicely....

obviously it appears that Nels= C.'s original eh16ddl is still working, i've seen lots of good exa= mples of him using it in the last few months on a couple of DVDs....


the PDS8000 is an interesting box, do need some more demo vids of i= t doing some looping on youtube that's for sure.
not sure why digite= ch hasn't reissued it, the new jamman delay thing, doesn't look lik= e it at all, but i haven't seen any vids for it either....& haven&#= 39;t heard too
many raving about it...might be there's too much out there to chose fro= m now? which seems to be an odd place since i've been looping for almos= t 10 yrs....quite a journey
for looping gear in options now....
s---<= br> www.myspace.com/scotthansen<= /a>


--00504502d4b52e7e7704902578bb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 15:26:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 161BC3BE86; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 485424986/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.183/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.183 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArYBAGffjUxYbRq3/2dsb2JhbAAHkzAx0S2FQASNGoJp X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,359,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="485424986" Message-ID: <4C8E42AF.7070304@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:26:39 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 References: <4C8D3307.9070400@cruzio.com> <4C8E07CD.4060000@tiscali.co.uk> <786231.63454.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <786231.63454.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:26:26 +0000 (UTC) antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: > OK so what's a sub pulse? > I have to let Rick answer that one. Meanwhile, there seem to be vital clues in the word "Pulse", the prefix "Sub", and the context "rhythm". andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 15:32:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6331C3BE81; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 242042.49446.bm@omp124.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284391969; bh=iW83SskL7sn4z6+9j1oboKrcIWNJ/0iYZO2UGm5U8Go=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PH+Jgu9V1ve29zqn9LlS7klKyL5J/YhNZKVQQfTQ9a3on78hxN5reApcA+2Dxc6V/ZLxe+/tNLhf8OEL0u/LMv/dlTRyXynjJalMdk6cJcqxJ97j/F3pneVzpaBKsufi3ViNTo4mJgrz0sXM5oA7+JioYfeawugrm5NBM6ABYgg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=S/phMinAcyUY5wy5Kvm5zM3UgSQ5bM3qygjKbxu//FE4521HavfV5dgZeTXUb4z5zCMeDPeEIHOCu6j+BgT7sexn0j0l3AtuljlW47XxM2uFIDiw6fLXRj/sqnqBAg0VB2oUcHqJbsb0dW8AzO1Sppb8NYeF+Y6Hd/4vlPOADjI=; Message-ID: <995145.93594.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SHsahFcVM1kGRk9PAfwxK2mv_TOjoIhWS2KVSMKhDNSQexE YAWNQNld_WCpMWW_U090hvl5M7kf7n9Xwq8gcw44kIzDc35CV.UBAGP9tsAw NwtrMUqEsVAB8iDXyoimjzC4j3YjEffDbKKPcgGTmhZuH.YcCE.Spyn.qkQE 0HCencpYgIMdP5ChApljRwPgKNlH1FRJLgk9aBI6wTRaSZAU5dNrDAXY.ScN IZmjPN9OpeuyOz0NZvqvtbLFJ7tIcgOJJRjaZ73R.EzPGrJ9OEs.wgr7mYNY sCIsUkU3HCt1puO3VT65CbQ24W_N144pKCik8R72J0SWLuy4X8m_nEjMV3t_ kDDwYNVEJK0Y- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <4C8D3307.9070400@cruzio.com> <4C8E07CD.4060000@tiscali.co.uk> <786231.63454.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C8E42AF.7070304@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 08:32:49 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4C8E42AF.7070304@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:32:51 +0000 (UTC) I am sure there are! Antony ----- Original Message ---- From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 5:26:39 PM Subject: Re: OT West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: > OK so what's a sub pulse? > I have to let Rick answer that one. Meanwhile, there seem to be vital clues in the word "Pulse", the prefix "Sub", and the context "rhythm". andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 15:50:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3085F3BE87; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=A7ukEXxSbti7GGg3ptjqq4MrooYJ+Pq+lQtwe+Is13A=; b=oiFZfVjqS/8Byt0Oiw+F41U25Ew+seDDNejKwqJcVyLU2tjghL113LtEJMaNUsOo9r Rri4CwIREfeZPzsawLZ/lSH5HMs+50VfMradl9K5x1FwrUvYB1dCGxgd7xRCj9ZVSWx/ uN7AtsV82HuQc5+OqW4jN/rNttri5z1wE1zjI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nx7+pxca8/FOQ6jXlHvybwip80Nx0y1rS/gh1hQuLpWCuGBEZbRskzQMpsHIjTZe8B 66X1sJ/o2zzeSdF9EVkVhBgDXY7ojYeBCxnWFI+A7C0RbBTPFlyphGqttwpzZVZQi2ox LFHLDieAHmNnfzXup/mR43NboKWLJR9HPa8yM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:50:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6ad2a0748df0490260e8d Resent-Message-ID: <8kz-KC.A.cqF.BhkjMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:50:26 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6ad2a0748df0490260e8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 skb part number: *1SKB-R904U20* On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Art Simon wrote: > Thanks Jim, > > The TFT5600 is a great tip. Do you have a model number for that deep skb > rack? You got me thinking about building a rackmount pc again! > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > myspace [dot] com/artsimon > --000e0cd6ad2a0748df0490260e8d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable skb part number: 1SKB-R904U20
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On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Jim,
The TFT5600 is a great tip. Do you have a model number for that deep skb = rack? You got me thinking about building a rackmount pc again!

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--000e0cd6ad2a0748df0490260e8d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 15:52:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D9223BE81; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:52:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=w5nwsVqNjF7Hnz0gZm+bv5zVQNiZdy3KaEtl46FeRcA=; b=nqIJ0aOHE8UQ7eVbsRKRSb2bKocfBZ9+KsspK1h0kZ3lP+Oeanq2U2zwe1MXl0DpXF thvTl836rqPh9qMbdfCOGudDer7RfHmYdY/HNrDPqomqUtsyYOblF461g8BYz/eZEHCt KTI6HNjTxjIPDmakGVYWPDK5mb/Qv9wdOQrc4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=FPViY54ybqt0+ribQe6UdWdOnd8Orsznt2FNPqAcuo4L+WzrSYKVl3QWhA4E3AsurZ 2xJzpznt/1l4S9b7LipSfFZJ7YyfnwH7+tzapRf3VGLakk49HLXfAzND2hWc1YZJsD6F MwOjFmDSw1ySGD4oECexXh63MyP6eXLI4bdHg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:52:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6a9706bd57704902615df Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:52:30 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6a9706bd57704902615df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sure. here goes: COMPUTER case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811165083 motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16813121= 357 processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E1681911504= 1 ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16820134582 hd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16822136098 cd drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16827140042 i bought a power supply locally...forgot to order at the time...but some $5= 0 unit from best buy works just fine. search "power supply 500w" and it'll pull up what you need. that's it for the basic computer components. all of that crap just kinda plugs together. you might want a 3.5" drive for drivers/software that come only in that format...i got an external usb off craigslist and i used it once just to load software. you could always but an internal multi-format card reader/3.5" drive/sandwich press but i opted against as it seemed superfluous. check out that hp monitor i mentioned: TFT5600. it's 1u high and slides in and out...but you gotta get it with the sliding rack rails, which it is normally sold with. trackball kinda blows so i have a usb mouse sitting on some spare keyboard real estate. this all makes for a 4u setup, which will fit in this: http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddetail.php?f=3Dsku_rack_space_un= its-4-80&id=3D125&o=3D&offset=3D1&c=3D80&s=3D80 i'm sure there are others, but the server case is deep and you'll need a rack case that will afford you the extra room. plus, you can put your interfaces in the rear as you'll have some spare room. INSTRUMENT/CONTROL INTERFACE my keyboard and percussion pad are both usb, which the motherboard already accommodates amply. my foot controller is midi so i have an m-audio 2x2 us= b interface that works great for getting midi in and out of the computer. midi output distribution (to various processors and hardware synths) is handled by a midi solutions thru box. AUDIO INTERFACE here's where you can spend a lot or a little. i initially spent a little and bought an m-audio delta 66 (4 i/o, spdif i/o) and it sounded pretty crappy. all my soft synths sounded thin and two-dimensional. per boysen (from this list) suggested checking out rme. here again, very expensive ne= w but second hand is very affordable. the converters are great...much better fidelity and now all my thin soft synths sound SO much better. so my advic= e is to buy something worth buying. you don't have to spend 3 grand on the baddest thing out there, but there are some high-end-of-the-mid-range guys out there that will do the job very well. lynx, rme, etc...you'll need to look around and of course consider what's enough for your personal needs. as well, you can go pci, firewire or usb. i prefer pci, but that's just me. i picked up an rme multiface for 200 bucks and couldn't be happier. SOFTWARE super-subjective, but just so you know: i have a non-registered (but legit) copy of xp. service pack 3, i think...anyhow, last major update i reckon. works great. seems most everything is written with xp in mind. i mean EVERYBODY supports it. i ru= n mobius (among other things) inside plogue bidule. it's a modular graphic host that actually has a lot under the hood if you need it. but on the surface you just click and drag virtual cables (audio, midi, etc.) from inputs to outputs and that's it. can be very quick and easy if you're just hustling trying new shit. i love it. MISCELLANY i have a few old analog synths. one cool perk is that people have written software editors for them. so...it's sort of the best of both worlds: analog fidelity and digital/graphical manipulation. i also have a usb wireless card...good for downloading software. in hindsight, i would have gone with an internal wireless carb but no big deal. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Hey James, > Can you give us your parts list for that rack pc? > Sylvain > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:29 AM, james fowler > wrote: > > i built my own rackmount pc. cost me about 700 bucks and everything ca= me > > from newegg.com it's 3u high and skb makes a deep shock rack that will > > accommodate server cases. for the money it's far more powerful than > > anything you could buy off the shelf. plenty of memory, ram, processor > is > > plenty fast, etc. and i'm not a computer-y person, so don't be dissuad= ed > if > > you feel that you lack the requisite know-how. it's pretty much > > bone-simple. > > > > touch screens are dope and all but hp makes a slide-out keyboard/monito= r > > combo that works great. i'm typing on it right now, actually. google > > "TFT5600" and see what comes up. i paid 30 bucks for mine on > > ebay...apparently they're absurdly expensive new and absurdly cheap whe= n > > bought used. i use bidule and on anything but the simplest of presets > i'm > > needing all the screen i can get. a tiny touch screen would be > > infuriating. > > > > only things left are a good pci audio interface and midi i/o and you're > all > > set. > > > > if anybody is seriously considering something similar, feel free to ema= il > me > > off (or on, i suppose) for gory details. > > > > - jim > > > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Art Simon wrote: > >> > >> I've toyed with the idea of building a rack mount music computer. I > >> especially like the idea of built-in touchscreen, so you wouldn't need > to > >> have a keyboard and monitor on stage. Here's an example: > >> > >> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811321006&Tpk=3DR= PC-919T > >> > >> What's kept me from doing it is that most of the rack mount server cas= es > >> are too deep for the typical musicians 19" flight case, and while it > would > >> be portable, it would be awkward and heavy to carry. Also, the costs > start > >> to add up. A laptop seems much more cost effective, unless you already > have > >> a good desktop and just want to transfer it to a new case. The alienwa= re > >> M11x is slightly larger than a netbook and costs under $1000. It could > make > >> a very portable and unobtrusive music laptop. > >> > >> > >> > http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/alienware-m11x/pd.aspx?refid=3Da= lienware-m11x&cs=3D19&s=3Ddhs > >> > >> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:58 AM, G wrote: > >>> > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit > >>> From: Rainer Straschill > >>> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:10:53 +0200 > >>> > > >>> >Jeff Larson said (with regard to the Altium NanoBoard): > >>> >> I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for = me > >>> >> boils down to the operating system. Besides the big things like h= ow > >>> >> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was al= so > >>> >> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a fil= e > >>> >> system. > >>> 8< > >>> >> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Ma= c > >>> >> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. > >>> >> > >>> 8< > >>> >I just had this idea because a) this hardware has everything you'd > need, > >>> >b) the "you can't fit M=F6bius into a rack unit" topic had come up j= ust > >>> >recently and c) the fact that I assume that something like M=F6bius = (due > >>> >to its eight parallel engines and a state-machine-oriented logic) > really > >>> >lends itself to be implemented on a FPGA. > >>> > > >>> >But there was a reason I neded my originall message with a > >>> >smileyface...I perfectly understand that you don't want to get into > yet > >>> >another version to support. > >>> > > >>> >Yours, > >>> > > >>> > Rainer > >>> > >>> Hi > >>> Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop or pc into a ra= ck > >>> is something I'm pondering. I missed the earlier thread. > >>> In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers are housed in 19" rack= s. > >>> I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC case installing an adequate > >>> computer into it. I've yet to look into the keyboard/mouse/monitor. > >>> -- G. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Art Simon > >> simart@gmail.com > >> myspace [dot] com/artsimon > > > > > > --000e0cd6a9706bd57704902615df Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sure.=A0 here goes:

COMPUTER

case: http:= //www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811165083
motherb= oard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item= =3DN82E16813121357
processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?= Item=3DN82E16819115041
ram: http://www.newegg.c= om/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16820134582
hd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3D= N82E16822136098
cd drive: http://www.newegg.com= /Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16827140042

i bought a power supply locally...forgot to order at the time...but=20 some $50 unit from best buy works just fine.=A0 search "power supply 5= 00w" and it'll pull up what you need.=A0

that's it for the basi= c=20 computer components.=A0 all of that crap just kinda plugs together.=A0 you= =20 might want a 3.5" drive for drivers/software that come only in that=20 format...i got an external usb off craigslist and i used it once just to load software.=A0 you could always but an internal multi-format card=20 reader/3.5" drive/sandwich press but i opted against as it seemed=20 superfluous.

check out that hp monitor i mentioned: TFT5600.=A0 it's 1u high and= =20 slides in and out...but you gotta get it with the sliding rack rails,=20 which it is normally sold with.=A0 trackball kinda blows so i have a usb=20 mouse sitting on some spare keyboard real estate.

this all makes for a 4u setup, which will fit in this: http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddetail.php?f=3Dsku_rack_s= pace_units-4-80&id=3D125&o=3D&offset=3D1&c=3D80&s=3D80<= /a>=A0

i'm sure there are others, but the server case is deep and you'= ll=20 need a rack case that will afford you the extra room.=A0 plus, you can put your interfaces in the rear as you'll have some spare room.=A0
INSTRUMENT/CONTROL INTERFACE =A0=A0

my keyboard and percussion pad= =20 are both usb, which the motherboard already accommodates amply.=A0 my foot controller is midi so i have an m-audio 2x2 usb interface that works=20 great for getting midi in and out of the computer.=A0 midi output=20 distribution (to various processors and hardware synths) is handled by a midi solutions thru box.

AUDIO INTERFACE

here's where you can spend a lot or a=20 little.=A0 i initially spent a little and bought an m-audio delta 66 (4=20 i/o, spdif i/o) and it sounded pretty crappy.=A0 all my soft synths=20 sounded thin and two-dimensional.=A0 per boysen (from this list) suggested checking out rme.=A0 here again, very expensive new but second hand is=20 very affordable.=A0 the converters are great...much better fidelity and=20 now all my thin soft synths sound SO much better.=A0 so my advice is to=20 buy something worth buying.=A0 you don't have to spend 3 grand on the= =20 baddest thing out there, but there are some high-end-of-the-mid-range=20 guys out there that will do the job very well.=A0 lynx, rme, etc...you'= ll=20 need to look around and of course consider what's enough for your=20 personal needs.=A0 as well, you can go pci, firewire or usb.=A0 i prefer=20 pci, but that's just me.=A0 i picked up an rme multiface for 200 bucks = and couldn't be happier.=A0

SOFTWARE

super-subjective, but just so you know:

i=20 have a non-registered (but legit) copy of xp.=A0 service pack 3, i=20 think...anyhow, last major update i reckon.=A0 works great.=A0 seems most= =20 everything is written with xp in mind.=A0 i mean EVERYBODY supports it.=A0 = i run mobius (among other things) inside plogue bidule.=A0 it's a modula= r=20 graphic host that actually has a lot under the hood if you need it.=A0 but on the surface you just click and drag virtual cables (audio, midi,=20 etc.) from inputs to outputs and that's it.=A0 can be very quick and ea= sy=20 if you're just hustling trying new shit.=A0 i love it.=A0

MISCELLANY

i have a few old analog synths.=A0 one cool perk is= =20 that people have written software editors for them.=A0 so...it's sort o= f=20 the best of both worlds: analog fidelity and digital/graphical=20 manipulation.=A0 i also have a usb wireless card...good for downloading=20 software.=A0 in hindsight, i would have gone with an internal wireless=20 carb but no big deal.


On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Sylvain= Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey James,
Can you give us your parts list for that rack pc?
Sylvain

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:29 AM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com> wrote:
> i built my own rackmount pc.=A0 cost me about 700 bucks and everything= came
> from newegg.com=A0= it's 3u high and skb makes a deep shock rack that will
> accommodate server cases.=A0 for the money it's far more powerful = than
> anything you could buy off the shelf.=A0 plenty of memory, ram, proces= sor is
> plenty fast, etc.=A0 and i'm not a computer-y person, so don't= be dissuaded if
> you feel that you lack the requisite know-how.=A0 it's pretty much=
> bone-simple.
>
> touch screens are dope and all but hp makes a slide-out keyboard/monit= or
> combo that works great.=A0 i'm typing on it right now, actually.= =A0 google
> "TFT5600" and see what comes up.=A0 i paid 30 bucks for mine= on
> ebay...apparently they're absurdly expensive new and absurdly chea= p when
> bought used.=A0 i use bidule and on anything but the simplest of prese= ts i'm
> needing all the screen i can get.=A0 a tiny touch screen would be
> infuriating.
>
> only things left are a good pci audio interface and midi i/o and you&#= 39;re all
> set.
>
> if anybody is seriously considering something similar, feel free to em= ail me
> off (or on, i suppose) for gory details.
>
> - jim
>
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've toyed with the idea of building a rack mount music comput= er. I
>> especially like the idea of built-in touchscreen, so you wouldn= 9;t need to
>> have a keyboard and monitor on stage. Here's an example:
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Prod= uct/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811321006&Tpk=3DRPC-919T
>>
>> What's kept me from doing it is that most of the rack mount se= rver cases
>> are too deep for the typical musicians 19" flight case, and w= hile it would
>> be portable, it would be awkward and heavy to carry. Also, the cos= ts start
>> to add up. A laptop seems much more cost effective, unless you alr= eady have
>> a good desktop and just want to transfer it to a new case. The ali= enware
>> M11x is slightly larger than a netbook and costs under $1000. It c= ould make
>> a very portable and unobtrusive music laptop.
>>
>>
>> = http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/alienware-m11x/pd.aspx?refid=3Dali= enware-m11x&cs=3D19&s=3Ddhs
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:58 AM, G <gigs@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>> To: Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit
>>> From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
>>> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:10:53 +0200
>>> >
>>> >Jeff Larson said (with regard to the Altium NanoBoard): >>> >> I've looked at things like this before, the probl= em with them for me
>>> >> boils down to the operating system. =A0Besides the bi= g things like how
>>> >> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, = Mobius was also
>>> >> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual mem= ory and a file
>>> >> system.
>>> 8<
>>> >> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the W= indows and Mac
>>> >> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen.
>>> >>
>>> 8<
>>> >I just had this idea because a) this hardware has everythi= ng you'd need,
>>> >b) the "you can't fit M=F6bius into a rack unit&q= uot; topic had come up just
>>> >recently and c) the fact that I assume that something like= M=F6bius (due
>>> >to its eight parallel engines and a state-machine-oriented= logic) really
>>> >lends itself to be implemented on a FPGA.
>>> >
>>> >But there was a reason I neded my originall message with a=
>>> >smileyface...I perfectly understand that you don't wan= t to get into yet
>>> >another version to support.
>>> >
>>> >Yours,
>>> >
>>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Rainer
>>>
>>> Hi
>>> Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop or pc in= to a rack
>>> is something I'm pondering. =A0I missed the earlier thread= .
>>> In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers are housed in 1= 9" racks.
>>> I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC case installing = an adequate
>>> computer into it. =A0I've yet to look into the keyboard/mo= use/monitor.
>>> -- G.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Art Simon
>> simart@gmail.com
>> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>
>


--000e0cd6a9706bd57704902615df-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 16:54:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2232C3BE84; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ODvXvSaT+x1UTzur+TrLXoDj5cJ1YJFXJ0ons1hDeB0=; b=II1aNtnbiTDo4JdTtTd4ZuWUf6ly0wNiqP7rvPJxUiup8XdxK4J1/s8H561eieYAZv WvbhSWp2Djfw1IA7F8KDSGXTzSq13D1AIGcxp76nIUZzIhKqSlsU7SBjIOZR9rUkkdIA sdR0ZQNRihScqUfpf+DR9ch2hdVB+nUWrY8Jk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=t73qz+eSBojS9iOZ33uCRSeu8NvJSR6phmPGY24u8oC72/wMKzNSGvGO+3D0GPAR8+ RAK3PksrdhAYyp9yQ6muVSXSosdx3v6QBnxckcxFettU310UsoWfk1/aTj/Z9xI0qsci UgtIHIpW6tixp8ekroekUJfVcEmtTBaUllRmo= Message-ID: <4C8E5747.1080100@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:54:31 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: question for tech junkies References: <4C8D3307.9070400@cruzio.com> <4C8E07CD.4060000@tiscali.co.uk> <628564.26683.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <628564.26683.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:54:21 +0000 (UTC) antonyhequet@yahoo.com schrieb: > Anyway, anyone who is not dead of boredom reading all this: any contribution > which may help me sort this out is most welcome. > Anthony, first of all, I'm not at all familiar with the mLAN technology, so can't comment on this. However, I had used similar setups in the past: once for "An Ambient Manifold" (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=69371931&blogId=525812431), then for recording "A tätowierte Katz'" (http://moinsound.wordpress.com/2010/05/09/a-tatowierte-katz-another-twitterchords-tune/) In both cases, the setup went something like: computer running a DAW software, RME digiface (3xADAT I/O 1xSPDIF I/O), two ADAT I/O pairs connected to a DDX3216 console (32x16x8x2 console w/ 16 analog ins and 2+4 analog outs and a pair of ADAT I/O), the remaining ADAT I/O connected to an ADA8000 (8ch analog I/O w/ micpres). There was also something connected to the SPDIFs I think...(Eclipse?) The problem here was: there were three things which did some kind of routing: the console, the digiface matrix, and the DAW. And as you said, this can get rather complex, because a) you don't have something physical to look at and, more importantly, b) you don't have one pivotal routing point. That being said: I would suggest that if this works for your application, go with the first (mLAN) route, this way being able (as I understood your description) to do everything routing-wise in your mixer. Or find a way to control everything from your DAW via some virtual mixer there. Everything else has a great chance of ending in chaos during a performance/live recording situation (including feedback loops - and we're not talking the good feedback here). Yours, Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 18:02:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E463A3BE85; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 532967.59472.bm@omp110.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284400931; bh=lGCxkMYIxhpTigRl7YLX2Y+MYZx9s3JssymMhNm8SQs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6upqG3HZT77Ik09AzxR1BPPBmR1pPAZgTvV8jD+6VSNP/CAFyl4yliCy0XtvBTmK3mASZTKV6PhuAXLaIhKlBIo51HaLmpC/QF5r6Zmyw9b/6TwP83CQgmBNaRUP9dq3O8FtamPMhXpr90INlETBHnhb8TNAUv4lcgwKCl7ycXI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wYalu3Wknadn0J0RB3xa6jlVShgnVP0KdZjEl0bCptffNDer0hlCGuvtQ+6ujtWRNdLYOY3Q4ZDoBx6VrCLuoKdGnb2oAsYbTrbbr1H8q282EzYgIiCGxh+fAI6JEa13CdP4mxG6BQN8QB6zOEzUR9vQHa3sdgWiFE/vGZRuSSE=; Message-ID: <368596.89267.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _1kuy80VM1kw8XJhCcR63DS5PLMBkF43bjVV6zs28Uj86a3 Nr5.LXCAvTeZcZ5cku_3cx5sozEKD8OXvZ3DHTQIQRAymNJMwj_lp4j.pAgw Mhw.6tN82DN2_BkR8OqzqXOBJ5FuvPkJcunTEXiL3h2cvMTGrjJ_7CSBq.Ek Q.EtoswzZSAcn8g3P3U76._Sj8zOb16BvngOMv.PBbENaRCIjQBC9auSqNCo WevgF2qxMU17MFhOTFLSdD1iTyYr_ax5w3W7JtzhS9VbR.ttRHm3ycwjBg8. L501DYl.usVe26Dk5bL5Bk.4j3eje1i92474kHwzvjgBuE1diF8gwfxIE8vb s9kvL X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <4C8D3307.9070400@cruzio.com> <4C8E07CD.4060000@tiscali.co.uk> <628564.26683.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C8E5747.1080100@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:02:11 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: question for tech junkies To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4C8E5747.1080100@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:02:11 +0000 (UTC) hey Rainer,=0A=0Athanks for the insight, that is what I was anticipating, t= oo many nodes makes =0Afor confusion.=0A=0AI am listening to your recording= s right now, having some problems with streaming =0Aprobably because of the= time of day. Everyone just got home. Love th idea of the =0Astudio perform= ance getting broadcast. I have a great room for that, tell me more =0Aabout= it.=0A=0AAntony=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Rainer Strasch= ill =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A= Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 6:54:31 PM=0ASubject: Re: question for tech j= unkies=0A=0Aantonyhequet@yahoo.com schrieb:=0A> Anyway, anyone who is not d= ead of boredom reading all this: any contribution =0A>which may help me sor= t this out is most welcome.=0A> =0AAnthony,=0A=0Afirst of all, I'm not at = all familiar with the mLAN technology, so can't comment =0Aon this.=0AHowev= er, I had used similar setups in the past: once for "An Ambient Manifold" = =0A(http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=3Dblog.view&friendId=3D69= 371931&blogId=3D525812431),=0A then for recording "A t=E4towierte Katz'" = =0A(http://moinsound.wordpress.com/2010/05/09/a-tatowierte-katz-another-twi= tterchords-tune/)=0A=0A=0AIn both cases, the setup went something like:=0Ac= omputer running a DAW software, RME digiface (3xADAT I/O 1xSPDIF I/O), two = ADAT =0AI/O pairs connected to a DDX3216 console (32x16x8x2 console w/ 16 a= nalog ins and =0A2+4 analog outs and a pair of ADAT I/O), the remaining ADA= T I/O connected to an =0AADA8000 (8ch analog I/O w/ micpres). There was als= o something connected to the =0ASPDIFs I think...(Eclipse?)=0A=0AThe proble= m here was: there were three things which did some kind of routing: =0Athe = console, the digiface matrix, and the DAW. And as you said, this can get = =0Arather complex, because a) you don't have something physical to look at = and, =0Amore importantly, b) you don't have one pivotal routing point.=0A= =0AThat being said: I would suggest that if this works for your application= , go =0Awith the first (mLAN) route, this way being able (as I understood y= our =0Adescription) to do everything routing-wise in your mixer. Or find a = way to =0Acontrol everything from your DAW via some virtual mixer there. Ev= erything else =0Ahas a great chance of ending in chaos during a performance= /live recording =0Asituation (including feedback loops - and we're not talk= ing the good feedback =0Ahere).=0A=0AYours,=0A=0A Rainer=0A=0A-- ht= tp://moinlabs.de=0AFollow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs=0A=0A= =0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 18:16:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2DAC3BE7F; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 494034605/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.183/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.183 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApEBABcGjkxYbRq3/2dsb2JhbAAH53GFQASNGg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,360,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="494034605" Message-ID: <4C8E6AA9.4080402@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:17:13 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Lexicon Vortex Varispeed patch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:16:59 +0000 (UTC) ok, this one really does a genuine varispeed morph on a short delay. It's not possible with the Vortex echoes, but Shadow B has a modulator with a delay long enough to be perceived as echo. A while back I posted a "closest thing to varispeed" patch which I was actually very old, and I hadn't checked. Although the delay is in the 100mS range this is the real deal. Load a pair of registers with 13 Shadow B set ALL PARAMS to 01 on both A & B apart from the following:- A B MIX 64 01 OUTPUT 64 64 MOD FX 64 01 MORPH 01 31 RES1 64 64 DEPTH2 64 08 RES2 64 64 Now reg A is a nice analog delay thing, reg B is dry signal. Try playing some audio into regA, and hit the A/B switch. (the other way round too) Modify to choice, of course. ..but it's worth going to reg A and turning up RATE2 very gradually. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 18:18:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EA593BE84; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:15:04 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Visual Music LIVE -- Outpost 186 , Cambridge Fall Schedule Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "atari-midi@yahoogroups.com.Frameworks"@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'm pleased to announce the schedule for my Visual Music LIVE serious for the Fall 2010 season, with the first event on September 19. These events happen on the third Sunday of the month at Outpost 186 in Cambridge at 8 PM. They combine my improvised video projections with music from some of the finest improvisors in the Boston area. The goal of the performances is to combine imagery and music into a single form in which music and visuals complement each other and neither is dominant. My projections are produced by mixing multiple DVD sources with video mixers and effects processors. The sources consist of computer-manipulated original material derived from my still photography and videography. The original subject matter is usually recognizable, but sometimes processed to complete abstraction. Sometimes the projections and music respond directly to each other -- sometimes they simply co-exist. Many of my finished video pieces (both studio and live) can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld. with a piece from the Spring Series at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxBtaJajCkU Those of you who attend or perform at events at Outpost 186 may find my photo essay "Improvisations from an Outpost" http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157624670849749/ to be of interest, THE SCHEDULE September 19 Duets Plus Kit Demos -- bass Glynis Lomon -- cello and voice Forbes Graham -- trumpet Jim Hobbs -- sax Dr. T -- Video Projections Eric Sack -- Camera The musicians will play duets in all possible combinations, followed by a quartet improv. October 17 Loup-Garou Setheyny Pen - drums Walter Wright - electronics with Steve Norton - bass clarinet Greg Kowalski - live video and Dr. T -- Video Projections Forbes Graham -- trumpet Kevin Frenette -- Guitar November 21 Duets Plus Glynis Lomon -- cello and voice Kevin Frenette -- guitar Eric Crawley -- harpejji and electronics 4th player tba Dr. T -- Video Projections December 19 Kevin Frenette Group Dr. T -- Video Projections -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 18:58:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EA713BE7F; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C8E7458.9010706@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:58:32 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Interesting points from Andy in our discussion about swing and other accurate/inaccurate mapping systems. Also, that pesky sub pulse. I'd really like to weigh in on both when I've got time but this is the absolute worst crunch time for publicity for the looping festival and I"m swamped. This is just a note to say I'm not ignoring this thread, it just may be towards the end of the week when I can sit down and compose my thoughts Here's an example though , to illustrate, for the time being take 'Mirror in the Bathroom' by the English Beat The song is in 4/4 (pulse = 4) sub pulse is twice as fast (sub pulse = 8th notes)(i.e., the bass line's lowest common note value) fills in the tune (on snare or timbale) are frequently at twice that speed but are NOT the way the tune if felt or danced too. (embellishment = 16th notes) That's how I map tunes conceptually in analysis (and also in attaining a feel for the 'groove' of a tune if I"m learning it for the first time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 19:40:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C7F03BE84; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=qRQQx/q4qLJKG1IuqEr8eeF900p0FqdL4usR2XCgEx0=; b=COMwuS73BZoOXflY8dETr3WJUvMpKYXhEwx/Pc+VyqoYQPno4jZn/qCe3BsPAnBBtU URx+daf1LNGlyFrkzmvuY4B5WwWcE07Jj4B2FRBels+KHs4NMW84dKY8F5hl2a7ak9Ef GXht6fTnM2ZC0hVVYfCFO6nlQ+hkjpmYihx3w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=ieHZVPCH6FzwUBiD3SR8GU0JKf1UMLQ/MMoh9PDGKSKjY97L8DMGysLFUh0tl+/3aq 9zmj2klvDbbkjPniayUA0JPXiljuYadJ9TNqYoRessSkst1D4RjAwI12eINOlNfo23Nb TnMiWvg+rf/+6IgFJRW9CYlkIha2WZO6OAHts= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:40:00 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: N4E7ahqpIz8wsygTf7-dGKqoF9g Message-ID: Subject: Small Stone Power connector.. where does it go? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a41049513704902944cd Resent-Message-ID: <-7sLTB.A.DeC.l4njMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:40:21 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5a41049513704902944cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Can someone with a Small Stone phaser please open it up and tell me where the power socket connects to? I have been using mine on batteries for years (lasts for ages) but now in a bid to stop using batteries at all in my life, I notice that the wires have come disconnected from the board... To make it easy, here is a picture of mine (you can see how I have cleverly CHOPPED the battery clip off (cant be tempted to use batteries) and replaced the silly mini jack with a proper barrel socket. If someone can d/l this pic and mark it with the 2 places red and black... or + and - or something... Please help, how can I get that hissy swoosh without it? M.xxx -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --001636c5a41049513704902944cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=A0

Can someone with a Small Stone phaser please open= it up and tell me where the power socket connects to? I have been using mi= ne on batteries for years (lasts for ages) but now in a bid to stop using b= atteries at all in my life, I notice that the wires have come disconnected = from the board...

To make it easy, here is a picture of mine (you can see= how I have cleverly CHOPPED the battery clip off (cant be tempted to use b= atteries) and replaced the silly mini jack with a proper barrel socket.

If someone can d/l this pic and mark it with the 2 plac= es red and black... or + and - or something...

Ple= ase help, how can I get that hissy swoosh without it?

--001636c5a41049513704902944cd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 19:43:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9200D3BE87; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=KWQN0w6ENEh47hfxoKK9SF9HATxnC5EXPpJosVtaj0c=; b=Mj0JIXgwhd+yNnJ11VT30c9w/+Sck+QXvjzdkFiear8IJaSuYLvSomr0nOVIOlqrEP BLaOjnQBAkCUaokUb3Jolnao7OMMSir/z7Da/a5UdI+o+i9oWJKzbZOpjKSfNNOR8Ay3 w7O9XWW4W3kWXMd/ty0DmD9n0Gv8ekIeInzlg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=iedZLNbwCKiOST/ktL1xePD7dRlay1SaKm3J2GHCVw5S/5xoM79Span+ULa0EEp+fW RkvcuyOSSb7DLQgK2YGLQ4wX+EavYJtfOJ4szeHZuKQtTeZSGp+M3yKxbG2ZKPxHS81o Xht1xyb5mPHUwgL+qPmDbHYH5ZeKmXQv2fAv8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:43:19 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mqHygzhDk8-7PByb7mIrtNM8SKo Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: Small Stone Power connector.. where does it go? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a410217e5d0490295015 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:43:40 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5a410217e5d0490295015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Of course I forgot the pic... http://skitch.com/markfrancombe/dsq1q/preview ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: mark francombe Date: Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:40 PM Subject: Small Stone Power connector.. where does it go? To: loopers-delight Hi, Can someone with a Small Stone phaser please open it up and tell me where the power socket connects to? I have been using mine on batteries for years (lasts for ages) but now in a bid to stop using batteries at all in my life, I notice that the wires have come disconnected from the board... To make it easy, here is a picture of mine (you can see how I have cleverly CHOPPED the battery clip off (cant be tempted to use batteries) and replaced the silly mini jack with a proper barrel socket. If someone can d/l this pic and mark it with the 2 places red and black... or + and - or something... Please help, how can I get that hissy swoosh without it? M.xxx -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --001636c5a410217e5d0490295015 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Of course I forgot the pic...=A0

http://skitch.com/markfrancombe/dsq1q/pr= eview

---------- Forwarded message --= --------
From: mark francombe &l= t;mark@markfran= combe.com>
Date: Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:40 PM
Subject: Small Stone Power connector.= . where does it go?
To: loopers-delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com>


Hi,=A0

Can someone with a Small Stone phaser ple= ase open it up and tell me where the power socket connects to? I have been = using mine on batteries for years (lasts for ages) but now in a bid to stop= using batteries at all in my life, I notice that the wires have come disco= nnected from the board...

To make it easy, here is a picture of mine (you can see= how I have cleverly CHOPPED the battery clip off (cant be tempted to use b= atteries) and replaced the silly mini jack with a proper barrel socket.

If someone can d/l this pic and mark it with the 2 plac= es red and black... or + and - or something...

Ple= ase help, how can I get that hissy swoosh without it?




--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.comtwitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/= user825094
http://www.looop.no
--001636c5a410217e5d0490295015-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 21:28:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 414073BE85; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284413313; bh=iuPXzR7ufI2u3sfu/WRS1A5ZCKuHLLqTQz/IDJbaTVc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wlxGb5Nsxcu9NU88uVbslBJnlrf03Ry8KLKcg3R7Ek/kNMBJZXypqcG+UE/8Lv50+Y/JyNWFU0Nj6+wP/Kgvv2C06gNeeVnoQMoPxZYaDLPng3l6CxMHKlopH6D3oFb6VWwH+TFEOk/Qw9Ugn0l2jRLfdcfcpSwD1l/koLM8fnc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SDLohIGVc8zW9+54cZI5+uLgK2Kpnk1Rk8qIiHFXQAEWzcVrysOwoCIIRaYToxHiYomcxd4wug+k0AqgeksIaO+DEGi2c9JfbJ4fIapCkzwTcxsplBsWqvD1v47LlfAsegA54ss8hSLplPx11TjJ1TWMSMwLoJUOqutZhHSqC6E=; Message-ID: <841664.95470.qm@web45904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0z4cfgsVM1naxAYWZwH_l797ETVqdIyozF30.Rjh3oz0McR PbEDWUVmOfVXh10.BVy9pGghU5xHyd0USSxBfSwFMyvVyeoHdB3XfRSnmAvq A6IqsCWsaKI52uJvICXxUnMOt2SnxEfGKna5ORQyxfoLC.0hd2d6Q2LU9lie MRyvTWctXCI7NrhPEYvlHyhMzLxATFQiqvxNQwRU.eFmFeIhNIdD5LTa0CrY M_Brg26kb5SrPXZwvdSr6i8EIVFtNkz6w9hZWxUNAYJoZmzV0Kc2YT1I2Esu FC961ZVlqMfPLV5id1RyvX_l5a2NejZ70 X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> <4C8CFA00.4080709@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: E Gross Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4C8CFA00.4080709@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-605767661-1284413313=:95470" Resent-Message-ID: <1b_BeB.A.oUG.DepjMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:28:35 +0000 (UTC) --0-605767661-1284413313=:95470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rainer,=0A=0AYou piqued my curiosity too....I know Jeff is way overloaded, = but is Mobius open =0Asource? That would be a fun project to do in my spare= time (if I had any......)=0A=0AThanks,=0AEric=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________= __________________=0AFrom: Rainer Straschill =0AT= o: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:0= 4:16 PM=0ASubject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit=0A=0AG schrieb:=0A> Since deci= ding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop or pc into a rack=0A> is someth= ing I'm pondering. I missed the earlier thread.=0A> In IT server rooms, ge= nerally multiple servers are housed in 19" racks.=0A> I'm thinking about ge= tting such a rack PC case installing an adequate=0A> computer into it. I'v= e yet to look into the keyboard/mouse/monitor.=0A> =0AThe idea I was toyin= g with here was not to build a full-blown PC into a rack =0A(with desktop O= S and all), but rather to go the embedded system route, more =0Aspecificall= y to use a device (like the one mentioned) which brings all the =0Arequired= peripherals with it and is centered around a FPGA, as I believe the way = =0Asomething like a looper works lends itself to being realized on such a p= latform =0A(parallel processing, state machine structure,...).=0A=0AWith a = structure like that, there's no need to boot/load the program (i.e. it =0Aw= ould startup right after power is supplied), realtime behaviour would be ea= sy =0Ato guarantee, and the risk of system crashes would be much smaller.= =0A=0ASo the idea was to have M=F6bius in a device which doesn't have all o= f the =0Anegative aspects usually associated with computers.=0A=0A = Rainer=0A=0A-- http://moinlabs.de=0AFollow me on twitter: http://twitter.co= m/moinlabs=0A=0A=0A --0-605767661-1284413313=:95470 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rainer,

You piqued my curiosity too....I know Jeff= is way overloaded, but is Mobius open source? That would be a fun project = to do in my spare time (if I had any......)

Thanks,
Eric

From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@go= oglemail.com>
To: Lo= opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
= Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 12:04:16 PM
Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit
=
=0AG schrieb:
> Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a la= ptop or pc into a rack
> is something I'm pondering.  I missed t= he earlier thread.
> In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers a= re housed in 19" racks.
> I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC c= ase installing an adequate
> computer into it.  I've yet to look= into the keyboard/mouse/monitor.
> 
The idea I was toying = with here was not to build a full-blown PC into a rack (with desktop OS and= all), but rather to go the embedded system route, more specifically to use= a device (like the one mentioned) which brings all the required peripheral= s with it and is centered around a FPGA, as I believe the way something lik= e a looper works lends itself to being realized on such a platform (paralle= l processing, state machine structure,...).

With a structure like th= at, there's no need to boot/load the program (i.e. it would startup right after power is supplied), realtime behaviour would be easy to guarantee, a= nd the risk of system crashes would be much smaller.

So the idea was= to have M=F6bius in a device which doesn't have all of the negative aspect= s usually associated with computers.

        Ra= iner

-- http:= //moinlabs.de
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs

=0A

=0A=0A --0-605767661-1284413313=:95470-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 21:57:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF2F13BE88; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:55:18 -0500 Subject: RE: Mobius in a rack unit Thread-Topic: Mobius in a rack unit Thread-Index: ActTilar6tN2mxZtTJOZxNA/Pn/YHwAAK6ew Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FF223@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> <4C8CFA00.4080709@googlemail.com> <841664.95470.qm@web45904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <841664.95470.qm@web45904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-vipre-scanned: 1F88ACC7001AD71F88AE14 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FF223barqsailpoi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:57:25 +0000 (UTC) --_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FF223barqsailpoi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No Mobius isn't open source for several reasons. Mostly there are pieces of it that I may choose to incorporate in a commercial product and I don't want to muddy things up with multiple-licenses and contributor copyrights. Honestly in this case I don't think it would make much difference. Mobius = on an FPGA would be so profoundly different that I would probably just start over from= scratch using some of the same design ideas but none of the same code. Jeff From: E Gross [mailto:slapbandjam@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 4:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit Rainer, You piqued my curiosity too....I know Jeff is way overloaded, but is Mobius= open source? That would be a fun project to do in my spare time (if I had = any......) Thanks, Eric --_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FF223barqsailpoi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No Mobius isn't open source for several reasons. Mostly ther= e are pieces

of it that I may choose to incorporate in a commercial produ= ct and I

don't want to muddy things up with multiple-licenses and contributor

copyrights.

 

Honestly in this case I don't think it would make much difference.  Mobius on an FPGA

would be so profoundly different that I would probably just start over from scratch

using some of the same design ideas but none of the same cod= e.

 

Jeff

 

 

From: E Gross [mailto:slapbandjam@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 4:29 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit

 

Rainer,

You piqued my curiosity too....I know Jeff is way overloaded, but is Mobius open source? That would be a fun project to do in my spare time (if I had any......)

Thanks,
Eric

--_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FF223barqsailpoi_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 22:02:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7D053BE7F; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2746 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:02:05 UTC Message-ID: <4C8E94EC.3060103@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 23:17:32 +0200 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex Varispeed patch References: <4C8E6AA9.4080402@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4C8E6AA9.4080402@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:02:05 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > ok, this one really does a genuine varispeed morph on a short delay. > > It's not possible with the Vortex echoes, but Shadow B has > a modulator with a delay long enough to be perceived as echo. > > A while back I posted a "closest thing to varispeed" patch > which I was actually very old, and I hadn't checked. > > Although the delay is in the 100mS range this is the real deal. > > > Load a pair of registers with 13 Shadow B > > set ALL PARAMS to 01 on both A & B apart from the following:- > > A B > > MIX 64 01 > OUTPUT 64 64 > MOD FX 64 01 > MORPH 01 31 > RES1 64 64 > DEPTH2 64 08 > RES2 64 64 > > Now reg A is a nice analog delay thing, > reg B is dry signal. > Try playing some audio into regA, and hit > the A/B switch. > (the other way round too) > > Modify to choice, of course. > > ..but it's worth going to reg A and turning up RATE2 very gradually. > > > andy butler Very cool Andy, I'll have to try this one of these days ;) Things like this makes it even more annoying the Vortex was build without MIDI. And it's a small comfort my MPX G2 have but a few Vortex modes in it ;) - plus its Jamman is only mono, damn.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 22:50:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A8273BE7F; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=36fjijv3s3R/9kWoDUfFv2/4YRicqzssjpHL7UczpZ4=; b=GrezTM0J29AKMhuTTTYD8URGytogfhPxqBQXtb4SEvm3mIhsSWlAtsYQC5OYlCgIMZ ZGZ20E1CUdEWOFSR4RsWUs8m80yVnD3Pog7o7W4wEcUfqYlaXUqEIBqhosELUgqWxlke Lm15sw/BMw2o2Sj35RRctr5Zv66mHDMrOj/j0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=btcGGpS54WWUHpQt7JF8S+w4o0Uf2x9WKWJcNNdBR2SKAneZG1wNI2wfGzkOEkb55u IG5SKlvflTBSGAiYKJMfbCqxMZGb3WML9WVOTiqQAoTcVLGAtIPrJl5nF2t7rIGLeKxd UMYwNyJctzhOy9Q1TDKZbKEm15EfIHZ9/oxK4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9A792991C4B146D987C8357C27128F85@ELUK1> References: <20749426220B4857BE057E0ABB19AE01@ELUK1> <9A792991C4B146D987C8357C27128F85@ELUK1> From: Milo Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 01:50:28 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How creativity is being strangled by the law To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7ef7a6cdc4604902bed55 Resent-Message-ID: <6wgaZ.A.R4.MrqjMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:50:52 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d7ef7a6cdc4604902bed55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Funny how all three websites you mentioned actively pursue copyright and ownership for their content and creations: maximumpc.com - Future US, Inc. gizmodo.com - GM Sites / Gawker Media virtualbox.org - Sun Microsystems, Inc. So, they like owning stuff, they even go as far as to become incorporated to protect their intellectual property more effectively in the US, they just don't like other people owning stuff. Some economists call this vulture capitalism. RIAA cannot eliminate your ability to record your own work, as you claimed, because this would be against the commercial rights of professional sound card manufacturers (RME, M-Audio, Motu e.t.c.). On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Incorrect judgement-assumption, Milo. When I inquired to Asus about this > they admitted it was disabled and asked why I needed Stereo Mix! After some > tweaking of the registry I removed the block, without changing drivers. > > > http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/dell_colludes_with_riaa_disables_stereo_mix_without_forewarning > > > http://gizmodo.com/5022726/the-riaa-may-be-forcing-laptop-manufactuers-to-disable-stereo-mix-recording > > http://forum.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=33629&start=0 > > > > *From:* Milo > *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 2:23 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: How creativity is being strangled by the law > > If your *professional audio card* is not able to provide you with a stereo > mix, then something is broken, either in the software or hardware domain. It > is not RIAA's or IFPI's fault, either way. > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Stephen Goodman > wrote: > >> Thanks Louie. Another issue that's not been discussed here affects us >> even more: the covert elimination of "Stereo Mix" from sound card drivers, >> thanks to our old pals at the RIAA. Once again, the RIAA and its cronies >> are attempting to eliminate our ability to record our own work, while >> preparing to whine about how the presence of a "Stereo Mix" option on >> Recording Devices constitutes an invitation to steal (aka "piracy", which >> the RIAA and IFPI continue to manically claim is the sole cause of reduced >> sales). >> >> *From:* Louie Angulo >> interesting view of it: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q25-S7jzgs >> >> cheers >> Luis >> > > --0016e6d7ef7a6cdc4604902bed55 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Funny how all three websites you mentioned actively pursue copyright and ow= nership for their content and creations:
maximumpc.com - Future US, Inc.
giz= modo.com - GM Sites / Gawker Media
virtualbox.org - Sun Microsystems, In= c.

So, they like owning stuff, they even go as far as to become inco= rporated to protect their intellectual property more effectively in the US,= they just don't like other people owning stuff. Some economists call t= his vulture capitalism.

RIAA cannot eliminate your ability to record your own work, as you clai= med, because this would be against the commercial rights of professional so= und card manufacturers (RME, M-Audio, Motu e.t.c.).

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Incorrect judgement-assumption, Milo.=C2=A0 Whe= n I=20 inquired to Asus about this they admitted it was disabled and asked why I n= eeded=20 Stereo Mix!=C2=A0 After some tweaking of the registry I removed the block,= =20 without changing drivers.
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From: Milo
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: How creativity is being strangled by the=20 law

If your professional audio card is not able to provid= e you=20 with a stereo mix, then something is broken, either in the software or hard= ware=20 domain. It is not RIAA's or IFPI's fault, either way.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Stephen Goodman= <spgoodman@earthlight.net>=20 wrote:
Thanks Louie.=C2=A0 Another issue that's = not been=20 discussed here affects us even more: the covert elimination of "Ster= eo Mix"=20 from sound card drivers, thanks to our old pals at the RIAA.=C2=A0 Once a= gain,=20 the RIAA and its cronies are attempting to eliminate our ability to recor= d our=20 own work, while preparing to whine about how the presence of a "Ster= eo Mix"=20 option on Recording Devices constitutes an invitation to steal (aka "= ;piracy",=20 which the RIAA and IFPI continue to manically claim is the sole cause of= =20 reduced sales).

From: Louie Angulo=20
interesting view of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7Q25= -S7jzgs

cheers
Luis
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--0016e6d7ef7a6cdc4604902bed55-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 13 22:52:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 542103BE8C; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=XoBTkyUGWjdoDlfODKgUpMt7bmw1RxkKK/X5IKYMDUs=; b=f0y4nAcbV4f8SLcH+8a91B2y/HnMKc/Y8VHnTijKgu3uH1AOVm9yrd8llpoEf9KTr5 FAbgC32TyCheYR5dQjX+M4h6F6/BF7cm2f04zK1rBb9F6/crufefzk60JeUZvS8pzmZ6 dElmcvytH9zBuFXjMDFW2nQthq0LcMD/2KOfE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=sPvrGtkQlWg1Kn1gnIdBo8S3JJQuJe3Ac7LJXELuC0mnIesiIImZ/F99sKvPz1mmGc PfHguDTdO4ock0M9p84E6iVbt1pvHiewG4YRSjXz4uegIT6D0LKyHRDqNOH7RmABUbcr HLZHksNPWXcXCNwwYTkfl+oQ9E2bu9BFDdEZE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: From: Milo Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 01:52:25 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: silent switches To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a4b366b74104902bf402 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:52:46 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5a4b366b74104902bf402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 If you can find the specifications of the Jamman stereo looper switches, perhaps there is a similar product in the market. If you have good soldering skills, it is worth a shot. On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > hi gang, > ive been testing the new jamman stereo looper,not bad really,it can be > quite interesting combined with the M9 > the one thing i dont like about it is the switches they are terribly loud! > do you think it would be easy to replace them with more silent switches or a > complicated task? anybody ever replaced switches on digitech pedals?what > kind of switches would you suggest? > actually the ones on the Digitech FS 300 footswitcher are really nice and > quite they should have put those on! > thanx > Luis > --001636c5a4b366b74104902bf402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you can find the specifications of the Jamman stereo looper switches, pe= rhaps there is a similar product in the market. If you have good soldering = skills, it is worth a shot.

On Sat, Sep 4= , 2010 at 4:21 PM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:=
hi gang,
ive b= een testing the new jamman stereo looper,not bad really,it can be quite int= eresting combined with the M9
the one thing i dont like about it is the switches they are terribly loud! = do you think it would be easy to replace them with more silent switches or = a complicated task? anybody ever replaced switches on digitech pedals?what = kind of switches would you suggest?
actually the ones on the Digitech FS 300 footswitcher are really nice and q= uite they should have put those on!
thanx
Luis

--001636c5a4b366b74104902bf402-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 00:12:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA84F3BE85; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 00:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0C2foKw24AGIO8L/RRf44n6P5grFQuClYw72wAOPlXw=; b=lzFtMnl9ya2JHmdLj3/uEZMaSAsL+z2M3U7In9u8HNt4q46mDnC+cQGxlHwMvQkLKo WaMtWMzO18mnVLmP5lDDXNGxVSCN5c/eRCc1KHllRDbtZ/6D3Zk6gS6/OLDz2rLLTGv7 BEj0JFVdORWi0R3qtqoGvTXSaG25GVeq51i0U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=erHjRDqRhfCm3au5uCfXfrsxVF29Ku1ZNtMDOiuGpRQjemUCx0eES2fegJCjD2LFK0 ccVULfaeB/LICbfWsQfFKMoQVaWcoHGYJ1CBAIfsS+o/a5XiDDtesGKwyKsl7qE5mlV7 HhKTvTIHs9A+TKGoJADH935l3bL2W8Czm5wBY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:12:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <6ck3_C.A.1NC.i3rjMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 00:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the info, James. I've been thinking about this for a while and this may give me the final push to finally get it done. Sylvain On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:52 AM, james fowler wrote: > sure.=A0 here goes: > > COMPUTER > > case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811165083 > motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168131= 21357 > processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16819115= 041 > ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16820134582 > hd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16822136098 > cd drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E168271400= 42 > > i bought a power supply locally...forgot to order at the time...but some = $50 > unit from best buy works just fine.=A0 search "power supply 500w" and it'= ll > pull up what you need. > > that's it for the basic computer components.=A0 all of that crap just kin= da > plugs together.=A0 you might want a 3.5" drive for drivers/software that = come > only in that format...i got an external usb off craigslist and i used it > once just to load software.=A0 you could always but an internal multi-for= mat > card reader/3.5" drive/sandwich press but i opted against as it seemed > superfluous. > > check out that hp monitor i mentioned: TFT5600.=A0 it's 1u high and slide= s in > and out...but you gotta get it with the sliding rack rails, which it is > normally sold with.=A0 trackball kinda blows so i have a usb mouse sittin= g on > some spare keyboard real estate. > > this all makes for a 4u setup, which will fit in this: > http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddetail.php?f=3Dsku_rack_space_= units-4-80&id=3D125&o=3D&offset=3D1&c=3D80&s=3D80 > > i'm sure there are others, but the server case is deep and you'll need a > rack case that will afford you the extra room.=A0 plus, you can put your > interfaces in the rear as you'll have some spare room. > > INSTRUMENT/CONTROL INTERFACE > > my keyboard and percussion pad are both usb, which the motherboard alread= y > accommodates amply.=A0 my foot controller is midi so i have an m-audio 2x= 2 usb > interface that works great for getting midi in and out of the computer. > midi output distribution (to various processors and hardware synths) is > handled by a midi solutions thru box. > > AUDIO INTERFACE > > here's where you can spend a lot or a little.=A0 i initially spent a litt= le > and bought an m-audio delta 66 (4 i/o, spdif i/o) and it sounded pretty > crappy.=A0 all my soft synths sounded thin and two-dimensional.=A0 per bo= ysen > (from this list) suggested checking out rme.=A0 here again, very expensiv= e new > but second hand is very affordable.=A0 the converters are great...much be= tter > fidelity and now all my thin soft synths sound SO much better.=A0 so my a= dvice > is to buy something worth buying.=A0 you don't have to spend 3 grand on t= he > baddest thing out there, but there are some high-end-of-the-mid-range guy= s > out there that will do the job very well.=A0 lynx, rme, etc...you'll need= to > look around and of course consider what's enough for your personal needs. > as well, you can go pci, firewire or usb.=A0 i prefer pci, but that's jus= t > me.=A0 i picked up an rme multiface for 200 bucks and couldn't be happier= . > > SOFTWARE > > super-subjective, but just so you know: > > i have a non-registered (but legit) copy of xp.=A0 service pack 3, i > think...anyhow, last major update i reckon.=A0 works great.=A0 seems most > everything is written with xp in mind.=A0 i mean EVERYBODY supports it.= =A0 i run > mobius (among other things) inside plogue bidule.=A0 it's a modular graph= ic > host that actually has a lot under the hood if you need it.=A0 but on the > surface you just click and drag virtual cables (audio, midi, etc.) from > inputs to outputs and that's it.=A0 can be very quick and easy if you're = just > hustling trying new shit.=A0 i love it. > > MISCELLANY > > i have a few old analog synths.=A0 one cool perk is that people have writ= ten > software editors for them.=A0 so...it's sort of the best of both worlds: > analog fidelity and digital/graphical manipulation.=A0 i also have a usb > wireless card...good for downloading software.=A0 in hindsight, i would h= ave > gone with an internal wireless carb but no big deal. > > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Sylvain Poitras > wrote: >> >> Hey James, >> Can you give us your parts list for that rack pc? >> Sylvain >> >> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:29 AM, james fowler >> wrote: >> > i built my own rackmount pc.=A0 cost me about 700 bucks and everything >> > came >> > from newegg.com=A0 it's 3u high and skb makes a deep shock rack that w= ill >> > accommodate server cases.=A0 for the money it's far more powerful than >> > anything you could buy off the shelf.=A0 plenty of memory, ram, proces= sor >> > is >> > plenty fast, etc.=A0 and i'm not a computer-y person, so don't be >> > dissuaded if >> > you feel that you lack the requisite know-how.=A0 it's pretty much >> > bone-simple. >> > >> > touch screens are dope and all but hp makes a slide-out keyboard/monit= or >> > combo that works great.=A0 i'm typing on it right now, actually.=A0 go= ogle >> > "TFT5600" and see what comes up.=A0 i paid 30 bucks for mine on >> > ebay...apparently they're absurdly expensive new and absurdly cheap wh= en >> > bought used.=A0 i use bidule and on anything but the simplest of prese= ts >> > i'm >> > needing all the screen i can get.=A0 a tiny touch screen would be >> > infuriating. >> > >> > only things left are a good pci audio interface and midi i/o and you'r= e >> > all >> > set. >> > >> > if anybody is seriously considering something similar, feel free to >> > email me >> > off (or on, i suppose) for gory details. >> > >> > - jim >> > >> > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Art Simon wrote: >> >> >> >> I've toyed with the idea of building a rack mount music computer. I >> >> especially like the idea of built-in touchscreen, so you wouldn't nee= d >> >> to >> >> have a keyboard and monitor on stage. Here's an example: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811321006&Tpk= =3DRPC-919T >> >> >> >> What's kept me from doing it is that most of the rack mount server >> >> cases >> >> are too deep for the typical musicians 19" flight case, and while it >> >> would >> >> be portable, it would be awkward and heavy to carry. Also, the costs >> >> start >> >> to add up. A laptop seems much more cost effective, unless you alread= y >> >> have >> >> a good desktop and just want to transfer it to a new case. The >> >> alienware >> >> M11x is slightly larger than a netbook and costs under $1000. It coul= d >> >> make >> >> a very portable and unobtrusive music laptop. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/alienware-m11x/pd.aspx?refid= =3Dalienware-m11x&cs=3D19&s=3Ddhs >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:58 AM, G wrote: >> >>> >> >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>> Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit >> >>> From: Rainer Straschill >> >>> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:10:53 +0200 >> >>> > >> >>> >Jeff Larson said (with regard to the Altium NanoBoard): >> >>> >> I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for >> >>> >> me >> >>> >> boils down to the operating system. =A0Besides the big things lik= e >> >>> >> how >> >>> >> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was >> >>> >> also >> >>> >> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a fi= le >> >>> >> system. >> >>> 8< >> >>> >> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and M= ac >> >>> >> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. >> >>> >> >> >>> 8< >> >>> >I just had this idea because a) this hardware has everything you'd >> >>> > need, >> >>> >b) the "you can't fit M=F6bius into a rack unit" topic had come up = just >> >>> >recently and c) the fact that I assume that something like M=F6bius >> >>> > (due >> >>> >to its eight parallel engines and a state-machine-oriented logic) >> >>> > really >> >>> >lends itself to be implemented on a FPGA. >> >>> > >> >>> >But there was a reason I neded my originall message with a >> >>> >smileyface...I perfectly understand that you don't want to get into >> >>> > yet >> >>> >another version to support. >> >>> > >> >>> >Yours, >> >>> > >> >>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Rainer >> >>> >> >>> Hi >> >>> Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop or pc into a >> >>> rack >> >>> is something I'm pondering. =A0I missed the earlier thread. >> >>> In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers are housed in 19" >> >>> racks. >> >>> I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC case installing an adequat= e >> >>> computer into it. =A0I've yet to look into the keyboard/mouse/monito= r. >> >>> -- G. >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Art Simon >> >> simart@gmail.com >> >> myspace [dot] com/artsimon >> > >> > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 00:45:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1E063BE84; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 00:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Visual Music LIVE -- Outpost 186 , Cambridge Fall Schedule Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 20:44:52 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.240.99.46 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32644-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD21BD2D4AF044-16E4-4BDF@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 00:45:01 +0000 (UTC) WOW!!!!!.....emile this looks wonderful.....if i had a car and some=20 floor i would be there.....:) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 00:51:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C63B53BE88; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 00:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 01:51:45 +0100 Subject: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100914005145.597394FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 00:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Ok, let me see if I have this now. The pulse is 4/4 because of the drums on the beat, but the "sub-pulse" is t= he bass & the palm muted guitar because they play on the sub-division of th= e beat? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Walker > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Subject: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: = 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:58:32 -0700 >=20 >=20 > Interesting points from Andy in our discussion about swing and > other accurate/inaccurate mapping systems. >=20 > Also, that pesky sub pulse. >=20 > I'd really like to weigh in on both when I've got time but this is=20 > the absolute > worst crunch time for publicity for the looping festival and I"m swamped. >=20 > This is just a note to say I'm not ignoring this thread, it just=20 > may be towards the > end of the week when I can sit down and compose my thoughts >=20 >=20 > Here's an example though , to illustrate, for the time being >=20 > take 'Mirror in the Bathroom' by the English Beat >=20 > The song is in 4/4 (pulse =3D 4) > sub pulse is twice as fast (sub pulse =3D 8th notes)(i.e., the bass=20 > line's lowest common note value) > fills in the tune (on snare or timbale) are frequently at twice that speed > but are NOT the way the tune if felt or danced too. (embellishment=20 > =3D 16th notes) >=20 > That's how I map tunes conceptually in analysis (and also in=20 > attaining a feel for the 'groove' of a tune > if I"m learning it for the first time. > Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 02:33:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 312AC3BE75; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 02:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OayC2uSNBXVPDZxILSpwS9BprviOnbtArdjvlHY4F3E=; b=djuuQv1yuWP1XFkRMfjLZyQBX1zXj8mTmA6vicINAwT6INWP9WUyUAVktngeLYwd2A uFkKu9/wjrsyY1oJoh4rRx9f4U6BzgqU4jZVTaOahJ6VD7yTjy+WZ1pB73s6fq0ET2Dc 3+izGoSLu9ZwELJGQQSOUFMBdDMTwJ1hg+3yw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hRz9csv34CN8mVoSsEfGwp8GQpIWlUePTqQlayB4lg+IbEkdC9iIFJweHO41JJaLj6 1qevYy8dm9GOEUl/P79JF40jRlyMjabKgFI/DKPs3rqt7Fx/n2nm81UlUcaU0rfUBA+j aSHqBsLPb3RzCnOu0aBUp7N7T4cJmAfWpVfLk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:33:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e1fbeaaa43e404902f090d Resent-Message-ID: <5_rZ1B.A.qkE.47tjMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 02:33:28 +0000 (UTC) --001636e1fbeaaa43e404902f090d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it was fun, educational, and rewarding. i strongly recommend it. - jim On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Thanks for the info, James. I've been thinking about this for a while > and this may give me the final push to finally get it done. > Sylvain > > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:52 AM, james fowler > wrote: > > sure. here goes: > > > > COMPUTER > > > > case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811165083 > > motherboard: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16813121357 > > processor: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16819115041 > > ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16820134582 > > hd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16822136098 > > cd drive: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16827140042 > > > > i bought a power supply locally...forgot to order at the time...but som= e > $50 > > unit from best buy works just fine. search "power supply 500w" and it'= ll > > pull up what you need. > > > > that's it for the basic computer components. all of that crap just kin= da > > plugs together. you might want a 3.5" drive for drivers/software that > come > > only in that format...i got an external usb off craigslist and i used i= t > > once just to load software. you could always but an internal > multi-format > > card reader/3.5" drive/sandwich press but i opted against as it seemed > > superfluous. > > > > check out that hp monitor i mentioned: TFT5600. it's 1u high and slide= s > in > > and out...but you gotta get it with the sliding rack rails, which it is > > normally sold with. trackball kinda blows so i have a usb mouse sittin= g > on > > some spare keyboard real estate. > > > > this all makes for a 4u setup, which will fit in this: > > > http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddetail.php?f=3Dsku_rack_space_= units-4-80&id=3D125&o=3D&offset=3D1&c=3D80&s=3D80 > > > > i'm sure there are others, but the server case is deep and you'll need = a > > rack case that will afford you the extra room. plus, you can put your > > interfaces in the rear as you'll have some spare room. > > > > INSTRUMENT/CONTROL INTERFACE > > > > my keyboard and percussion pad are both usb, which the motherboard > already > > accommodates amply. my foot controller is midi so i have an m-audio 2x= 2 > usb > > interface that works great for getting midi in and out of the computer. > > midi output distribution (to various processors and hardware synths) is > > handled by a midi solutions thru box. > > > > AUDIO INTERFACE > > > > here's where you can spend a lot or a little. i initially spent a litt= le > > and bought an m-audio delta 66 (4 i/o, spdif i/o) and it sounded pretty > > crappy. all my soft synths sounded thin and two-dimensional. per boys= en > > (from this list) suggested checking out rme. here again, very expensiv= e > new > > but second hand is very affordable. the converters are great...much > better > > fidelity and now all my thin soft synths sound SO much better. so my > advice > > is to buy something worth buying. you don't have to spend 3 grand on t= he > > baddest thing out there, but there are some high-end-of-the-mid-range > guys > > out there that will do the job very well. lynx, rme, etc...you'll need > to > > look around and of course consider what's enough for your personal need= s. > > as well, you can go pci, firewire or usb. i prefer pci, but that's jus= t > > me. i picked up an rme multiface for 200 bucks and couldn't be happier= . > > > > SOFTWARE > > > > super-subjective, but just so you know: > > > > i have a non-registered (but legit) copy of xp. service pack 3, i > > think...anyhow, last major update i reckon. works great. seems most > > everything is written with xp in mind. i mean EVERYBODY supports it. = i > run > > mobius (among other things) inside plogue bidule. it's a modular graph= ic > > host that actually has a lot under the hood if you need it. but on the > > surface you just click and drag virtual cables (audio, midi, etc.) from > > inputs to outputs and that's it. can be very quick and easy if you're > just > > hustling trying new shit. i love it. > > > > MISCELLANY > > > > i have a few old analog synths. one cool perk is that people have > written > > software editors for them. so...it's sort of the best of both worlds: > > analog fidelity and digital/graphical manipulation. i also have a usb > > wireless card...good for downloading software. in hindsight, i would > have > > gone with an internal wireless carb but no big deal. > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Sylvain Poitras > > wrote: > >> > >> Hey James, > >> Can you give us your parts list for that rack pc? > >> Sylvain > >> > >> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:29 AM, james fowler > >> wrote: > >> > i built my own rackmount pc. cost me about 700 bucks and everything > >> > came > >> > from newegg.com it's 3u high and skb makes a deep shock rack that > will > >> > accommodate server cases. for the money it's far more powerful than > >> > anything you could buy off the shelf. plenty of memory, ram, > processor > >> > is > >> > plenty fast, etc. and i'm not a computer-y person, so don't be > >> > dissuaded if > >> > you feel that you lack the requisite know-how. it's pretty much > >> > bone-simple. > >> > > >> > touch screens are dope and all but hp makes a slide-out > keyboard/monitor > >> > combo that works great. i'm typing on it right now, actually. goog= le > >> > "TFT5600" and see what comes up. i paid 30 bucks for mine on > >> > ebay...apparently they're absurdly expensive new and absurdly cheap > when > >> > bought used. i use bidule and on anything but the simplest of prese= ts > >> > i'm > >> > needing all the screen i can get. a tiny touch screen would be > >> > infuriating. > >> > > >> > only things left are a good pci audio interface and midi i/o and > you're > >> > all > >> > set. > >> > > >> > if anybody is seriously considering something similar, feel free to > >> > email me > >> > off (or on, i suppose) for gory details. > >> > > >> > - jim > >> > > >> > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Art Simon wrote= : > >> >> > >> >> I've toyed with the idea of building a rack mount music computer. I > >> >> especially like the idea of built-in touchscreen, so you wouldn't > need > >> >> to > >> >> have a keyboard and monitor on stage. Here's an example: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811321006&Tpk=3DR= PC-919T > >> >> > >> >> What's kept me from doing it is that most of the rack mount server > >> >> cases > >> >> are too deep for the typical musicians 19" flight case, and while i= t > >> >> would > >> >> be portable, it would be awkward and heavy to carry. Also, the cost= s > >> >> start > >> >> to add up. A laptop seems much more cost effective, unless you > already > >> >> have > >> >> a good desktop and just want to transfer it to a new case. The > >> >> alienware > >> >> M11x is slightly larger than a netbook and costs under $1000. It > could > >> >> make > >> >> a very portable and unobtrusive music laptop. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/alienware-m11x/pd.aspx?refid=3Da= lienware-m11x&cs=3D19&s=3Ddhs > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:58 AM, G wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> >>> Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit > >> >>> From: Rainer Straschill > >> >>> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:10:53 +0200 > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Jeff Larson said (with regard to the Altium NanoBoard): > >> >>> >> I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them f= or > >> >>> >> me > >> >>> >> boils down to the operating system. Besides the big things lik= e > >> >>> >> how > >> >>> >> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was > >> >>> >> also > >> >>> >> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a > file > >> >>> >> system. > >> >>> 8< > >> >>> >> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and > Mac > >> >>> >> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> 8< > >> >>> >I just had this idea because a) this hardware has everything you'= d > >> >>> > need, > >> >>> >b) the "you can't fit M=F6bius into a rack unit" topic had come u= p > just > >> >>> >recently and c) the fact that I assume that something like M=F6bi= us > >> >>> > (due > >> >>> >to its eight parallel engines and a state-machine-oriented logic) > >> >>> > really > >> >>> >lends itself to be implemented on a FPGA. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >But there was a reason I neded my originall message with a > >> >>> >smileyface...I perfectly understand that you don't want to get in= to > >> >>> > yet > >> >>> >another version to support. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Yours, > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Rainer > >> >>> > >> >>> Hi > >> >>> Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop or pc into a > >> >>> rack > >> >>> is something I'm pondering. I missed the earlier thread. > >> >>> In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers are housed in 19" > >> >>> racks. > >> >>> I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC case installing an > adequate > >> >>> computer into it. I've yet to look into the keyboard/mouse/monito= r. > >> >>> -- G. > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Art Simon > >> >> simart@gmail.com > >> >> myspace [dot] com/artsimon > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > --001636e1fbeaaa43e404902f090d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it was fun, educational, and rewarding.=A0 i strongly recommend it.
- jim

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 8:12 PM, S= ylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the in= fo, James. =A0I've been thinking about this for a while
and this may give me the final push to finally get it done.
Sylvain

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:52 AM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com> wrote:
> sure.=A0 here goes:
>
> COMPUTER
>
> case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?= Item=3DN82E16811165083
> motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc= t.aspx?Item=3DN82E16813121357
> processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product= .aspx?Item=3DN82E16819115041
> ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?I= tem=3DN82E16820134582
> hd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It= em=3DN82E16822136098
> cd drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product= .aspx?Item=3DN82E16827140042
>
> i bought a power supply locally...forgot to order at the time...but so= me $50
> unit from best buy works just fine.=A0 search "power supply 500w&= quot; and it'll
> pull up what you need.
>
> that's it for the basic computer components.=A0 all of that crap j= ust kinda
> plugs together.=A0 you might want a 3.5" drive for drivers/softwa= re that come
> only in that format...i got an external usb off craigslist and i used = it
> once just to load software.=A0 you could always but an internal multi-= format
> card reader/3.5" drive/sandwich press but i opted against as it s= eemed
> superfluous.
>
> check out that hp monitor i mentioned: TFT5600.=A0 it's 1u high an= d slides in
> and out...but you gotta get it with the sliding rack rails, which it i= s
> normally sold with.=A0 trackball kinda blows so i have a usb mouse sit= ting on
> some spare keyboard real estate.
>
> this all makes for a 4u setup, which will fit in this:
> http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddeta= il.php?f=3Dsku_rack_space_units-4-80&id=3D125&o=3D&offset=3D1&a= mp;c=3D80&s=3D80
>
> i'm sure there are others, but the server case is deep and you'= ;ll need a
> rack case that will afford you the extra room.=A0 plus, you can put yo= ur
> interfaces in the rear as you'll have some spare room.
>
> INSTRUMENT/CONTROL INTERFACE
>
> my keyboard and percussion pad are both usb, which the motherboard alr= eady
> accommodates amply.=A0 my foot controller is midi so i have an m-audio= 2x2 usb
> interface that works great for getting midi in and out of the computer= .
> midi output distribution (to various processors and hardware synths) i= s
> handled by a midi solutions thru box.
>
> AUDIO INTERFACE
>
> here's where you can spend a lot or a little.=A0 i initially spent= a little
> and bought an m-audio delta 66 (4 i/o, spdif i/o) and it sounded prett= y
> crappy.=A0 all my soft synths sounded thin and two-dimensional.=A0 per= boysen
> (from this list) suggested checking out rme.=A0 here again, very expen= sive new
> but second hand is very affordable.=A0 the converters are great...much= better
> fidelity and now all my thin soft synths sound SO much better.=A0 so m= y advice
> is to buy something worth buying.=A0 you don't have to spend 3 gra= nd on the
> baddest thing out there, but there are some high-end-of-the-mid-range = guys
> out there that will do the job very well.=A0 lynx, rme, etc...you'= ll need to
> look around and of course consider what's enough for your personal= needs.
> as well, you can go pci, firewire or usb.=A0 i prefer pci, but that= 9;s just
> me.=A0 i picked up an rme multiface for 200 bucks and couldn't be = happier.
>
> SOFTWARE
>
> super-subjective, but just so you know:
>
> i have a non-registered (but legit) copy of xp.=A0 service pack 3, i > think...anyhow, last major update i reckon.=A0 works great.=A0 seems m= ost
> everything is written with xp in mind.=A0 i mean EVERYBODY supports it= .=A0 i run
> mobius (among other things) inside plogue bidule.=A0 it's a modula= r graphic
> host that actually has a lot under the hood if you need it.=A0 but on = the
> surface you just click and drag virtual cables (audio, midi, etc.) fro= m
> inputs to outputs and that's it.=A0 can be very quick and easy if = you're just
> hustling trying new shit.=A0 i love it.
>
> MISCELLANY
>
> i have a few old analog synths.=A0 one cool perk is that people have w= ritten
> software editors for them.=A0 so...it's sort of the best of both w= orlds:
> analog fidelity and digital/graphical manipulation.=A0 i also have a u= sb
> wireless card...good for downloading software.=A0 in hindsight, i woul= d have
> gone with an internal wireless carb but no big deal.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Sylvain Poitras
> <sylvain.trombone@gma= il.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey James,
>> Can you give us your parts list for that rack pc?
>> Sylvain
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:29 AM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > i built my own rackmount pc.=A0 cost me about 700 bucks and e= verything
>> > came
>> > from newegg.c= om=A0 it's 3u high and skb makes a deep shock rack that will
>> > accommodate server cases.=A0 for the money it's far more = powerful than
>> > anything you could buy off the shelf.=A0 plenty of memory, ra= m, processor
>> > is
>> > plenty fast, etc.=A0 and i'm not a computer-y person, so = don't be
>> > dissuaded if
>> > you feel that you lack the requisite know-how.=A0 it's pr= etty much
>> > bone-simple.
>> >
>> > touch screens are dope and all but hp makes a slide-out keybo= ard/monitor
>> > combo that works great.=A0 i'm typing on it right now, ac= tually.=A0 google
>> > "TFT5600" and see what comes up.=A0 i paid 30 bucks= for mine on
>> > ebay...apparently they're absurdly expensive new and absu= rdly cheap when
>> > bought used.=A0 i use bidule and on anything but the simplest= of presets
>> > i'm
>> > needing all the screen i can get.=A0 a tiny touch screen woul= d be
>> > infuriating.
>> >
>> > only things left are a good pci audio interface and midi i/o = and you're
>> > all
>> > set.
>> >
>> > if anybody is seriously considering something similar, feel f= ree to
>> > email me
>> > off (or on, i suppose) for gory details.
>> >
>> > - jim
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I've toyed with the idea of building a rack mount mus= ic computer. I
>> >> especially like the idea of built-in touchscreen, so you = wouldn't need
>> >> to
>> >> have a keyboard and monitor on stage. Here's an examp= le:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.newegg= .com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16811321006&Tpk=3DRPC-919T
>> >>
>> >> What's kept me from doing it is that most of the rack= mount server
>> >> cases
>> >> are too deep for the typical musicians 19" flight ca= se, and while it
>> >> would
>> >> be portable, it would be awkward and heavy to carry. Also= , the costs
>> >> start
>> >> to add up. A laptop seems much more cost effective, unles= s you already
>> >> have
>> >> a good desktop and just want to transfer it to a new case= . The
>> >> alienware
>> >> M11x is slightly larger than a netbook and costs under $1= 000. It could
>> >> make
>> >> a very portable and unobtrusive music laptop.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/alienware-m11x/pd.aspx?re= fid=3Dalienware-m11x&cs=3D19&s=3Ddhs
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:58 AM, G <gigs@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> >>> Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit
>> >>> From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
>> >>> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:10:53 +0200
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Jeff Larson said (with regard to the Altium NanoB= oard):
>> >>> >> I've looked at things like this before, = the problem with them for
>> >>> >> me
>> >>> >> boils down to the operating system. =A0Besid= es the big things like
>> >>> >> how
>> >>> >> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display = devices, Mobius was
>> >>> >> also
>> >>> >> designed with certain OS assumptions like vi= rtual memory and a file
>> >>> >> system.
>> >>> 8<
>> >>> >> At the moment I barely have enough time to k= eep the Windows and Mac
>> >>> >> versions going so I doubt this will ever hap= pen.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> 8<
>> >>> >I just had this idea because a) this hardware has= everything you'd
>> >>> > need,
>> >>> >b) the "you can't fit M=F6bius into a ra= ck unit" topic had come up just
>> >>> >recently and c) the fact that I assume that somet= hing like M=F6bius
>> >>> > (due
>> >>> >to its eight parallel engines and a state-machine= -oriented logic)
>> >>> > really
>> >>> >lends itself to be implemented on a FPGA.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >But there was a reason I neded my originall messa= ge with a
>> >>> >smileyface...I perfectly understand that you don&= #39;t want to get into
>> >>> > yet
>> >>> >another version to support.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Yours,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Rainer
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi
>> >>> Since deciding to go the rack route, fitting a laptop= or pc into a
>> >>> rack
>> >>> is something I'm pondering. =A0I missed the earli= er thread.
>> >>> In IT server rooms, generally multiple servers are ho= used in 19"
>> >>> racks.
>> >>> I'm thinking about getting such a rack PC case in= stalling an adequate
>> >>> computer into it. =A0I've yet to look into the ke= yboard/mouse/monitor.
>> >>> -- G.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Art Simon
>> >> simart@gmail.com<= br> >> >> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>


--001636e1fbeaaa43e404902f090d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 03:01:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBCD43BE85; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 03:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FnKHnB3j7UvMBHeF4mF/vepR6ZkRtjBTiGUwBwTjJuQ=; b=QTKRq2Dup4qjZ6bpd1uwJjGHhfhzDwJ3zQ18oApj4UwjHZJT+TYSmDFnP0fL4Mo8fy YWxIkQZNvN3bWDSGwiJpVZZmkEILb933UCwcZDgIEReWqkobvnrIYb2wz7oOsSZcpDTD xqPn3NF19o946czdThi70AAwsybri0Ov+Fi0U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=WX4pQQMDWWzYL6vmuxc5UriMVe6oEYtIZGX/knfNDGmGrmy0P8cz3410pMjUAwqsJ3 EmIPPUG0/LLFR57eW5neHhq4ahjpHrpza2rtK5fAjqBwIT0LxWbllLwf9HpLtXr+sENV DlZsLF2cb0CIr3VDQEVlBByWLSW6kyM7IpU2s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100913001807.E918024831@ns3.tnt21.com> References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> <20100913001520.D3A2214DD6@ns4.tnt21.com> <20100913001807.E918024831@ns3.tnt21.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 20:01:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 03:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Paul. there are some cool mini itx motherboards out there. I can definitely see doing this. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 5:18 PM, paul wrote: > sorry forgot to put the website..... > http://www.itxdepot.com/xcart/product.php?productid=1789&cat=44055&page=1 > > At 08:15 PM 9/12/2010, you wrote: >> >> I also built a rackmount computer about 4 years ago. At the time I found >> an old 1U case that was about 11 in deep and put together a computer with an >> mini intel board (DQ45EK) and a 3 ghz cpu, and 4 gig ram. at the time the >> largest hard drive was 500 gig but that has proved to be plenty since I'm >> only using it for live performance. At home I hook up a large monitor for >> programing but when I perform I just use one of those little touch screens >> which is adequate to see what's going on in mobius. I'm also using mobius >> inside of bidule. >> I'll have to look for one of those slide out monitors though that would be >> really slick and be much more convienient than pulling out all these small >> pieces and putting them together. >> >> check out this web site, they have a 1U barebones computer for under >> $600.00 if you add in the intel board, 4 gig ram and 500 gig hard drive. A >> CPU would add another $200.00 and you have one hell of a rackmount solution. >> >> Paul Haslem >> www.dulcify.ca >> Ontario, Canada > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 03:59:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0E8C3BE7F; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 03:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C8EF335.7030705@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 20:59:49 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Showalter CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 References: <20100914005145.597394FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> In-Reply-To: <20100914005145.597394FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 03:59:56 +0000 (UTC) On 11:59 AM, Mark Showalter wrote: > Hello, > > Ok, let me see if I have this now. > > The pulse is 4/4 because of the drums on the beat, but the "sub-pulse" is the bass& the palm muted guitar because they play on the sub-division of the beat? > This is just how I organize it, think about it and teach it (after having analyzed, literally thousands of popular music styles from all over the world). When you count to the music (let's take good old 4/4) the numbers you count 1, 2, 3, 4 are the PULSE (In this case, the 4 pulse) The way you subdivide that pulse so that all of the notes in the ostinato rhythm (repetitive syncopative or non-syncopative rhythms) fall on the subdivisions (in the case of our example, the 8th notes) is what I call the SUB PULSE In a typical 3/4, 4/4, 5/4, 6/4, 7/4, etc. tune you might have a subpulse that is 8th notes, triplet 8th notes, 16th notes, triplet 16th notes or even 32nd notes (Mbalax from Senegal, or grooves from the hip hop producer Timbaland as the rare example) Any embellishment that occurs (as distinguished from what we call fills, or breaking from the pattern at the end of every 8, 16 or 32 bars, typically) at a faster rate (smaller note value) and in this particular case, 16th notes what I call EMBELLISHMENTS They are specifically played at a faster rate than the subpulse In groove playing or groove arrangement, it's extremely important to understand what the SUB PULSE is. if you ignore it or use a note value that is either too high or too low, you run the risk of not understanding how the listener hears the music; how the dancer dances to it. Though 16th notes are played periodically as embellishments by the drum or the 'pick bass' guitar lines in this case) the 'feel' of the music is NOT 16th notes, but rather 8th notes (the note value of the syncopative bass line that drives this song. People frequently mistake the PULSE for the SUBPULSE, the SUBPULSE for EMBELLISHMENTS. This is why so many guitar and keyboard players (sorry for picking on you guys) write such horrible drum machine patterns for their songs. If you guys are interested I'll lay out an approach for successful rhythm section writing and rhythm section arranging or tweaking in future posts but, again, this festival is just freezing my brain so it may have to come at odd intervals. Also, it should be said that in almost 30 years of producing and 35 years of professional playing that this approach has proven extrememely successful. Mine is a relatively conservative approach but it always works. I also believe that every single rhythm or rhythmic arrangement has a particular feel to human beings................you only need to add one 16/th note offbeat snare drum hit to the drum beat of Queen's 'We Will Rock You" to realize that the original and the embellished versions sound completely different to the the listener. Lastly, it should be said that this is a very effective map for arrangement, composition and even real time improvisation. As Alfred Korzybski said, "The Map is not the Territory". Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle states that by merely observing, on a sub atomic level, that we change the nature of the thing we observe (okay, this is a very simplistic understanding of his principle but a useful one). My mentor, the amazing maverick scientist Gregory Bateson said, "We are doomed to make imperfect maps of reality due to our inherent neurophysiology. He said that, however, there is such a thing as a better map. So, this is a small part of the best map I can offer and I try to constantly find holes in it and accept any critiques of it. (lol, after thirty years of teaching it, a student last week informed me that there isn't a word tertiary but that the two correct terms are binary and ternary................you learn something every day, hopefully. It doesn't not consider all kinds of musics but it particular effective when use in music of Africa, the African Diaspora, the Middle East (with the exception of Middleastern and Persian classical musics), the village groove musics of India (and NOT Indian Classical music), all the major regional popular music styles of the Americas (but not so called free Jazz) and most of the European and UK musical styles. yours, Rick Walker ps in the new year I'm going to be teaching my entire Rhythm Intensive online with real time video conferencing if anyone is interested in taking that 4 week, 1 hour a week course, of it's 4 week advanced addition. Let me know if anyone is interested in taking that course. It's taught one on one, is pure theory and has teaching materials supplied. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 05:51:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7394F3BE85; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 05:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 44147.39755.bm@omp106.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284443507; bh=lmcGr2UaLXS+d1gSv75g7NN7VUSoFsAofOsTzIAoY3E=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3g7769e80J7OLI7lw2cX9b4/YVONVOn6m5ktR0r+wGH4RmoYpet2zHU6YO9s4BrIiOeQSYhhSJbZmBnG4cp4woUHO9veugjnFn74RaIaNPgTsr8iR+BfdfyS4HVVmhBP4CIsmEPSWhMJqZY+qecohlfV2MFEFU6L8Ik24BDGgLM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fgEezB2i6h4W90WsyZ6rPSFj9SRuCmcNXHTA2FLxuU35tVozgOXHdOSpCTKRr9HDxI35OxRm4K0K+L235YSuzxKTSIl6zgcIid1niTBRbAJIWDdr3bOdSr/kzci2XtWElGCRMLUK5tloEktpdfottyPH6rtyxqmzpaypO3L0PqM=; Message-ID: <20897.41024.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JrbTSjoVM1mRy0H_XOStYWezInq_VUfdpTZWnbThozOtmGG bsTkkG90jH9wFlmDNJTr60eg31Z994uzfPlzdqqZGIFpQLUsWFqBoq7eWUmg UtWPZWPnXnQcoWBkPukP_O__RgzJwNcczYjiQO5fcG8mwM04QmVmOhfL_7Bh 2okgcl0ZCtJb3W7Cc4Z3PGMrk1LNfYHvn7hcJKQ9f8VuYckLJG4E3Vqe7tE0 WQ2axTffe9.56N9wHxNwNkLdvBBx3xOBMUimoXBM4B1Ofevwmnys.yx.mOW7 sDAXHVota9eK9nO7VCQB4ZKxZGnEUfuMw75odKuwOwQckby2Nsmjo0EOLw5o - X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:51:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Antony Hequet Subject: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 05:51:48 +0000 (UTC) I am intetested in the course, is this d=F4me online?=0AAntony Hequet=0A=0A= Sent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn 2010-09-14, at 05:59, Rick Walker wrote:=0A=0AOn 11:59 AM, Mark Showalter wrote:=0AHello,=0A=0AOk, l= et me see if I have this now.=0A=0AThe pulse is 4/4 because of the drums on= the beat, but the "sub-pulse" is the bass& the palm muted guitar because = they play on the sub-division of the beat?=0A=0A=0AThis is just how I organ= ize it, think about it and teach it (after having analyzed, literally thous= ands of popular music styles from all over the world).=0A=0AWhen you count = to the music (let's take good old 4/4)=0Athe numbers you count 1, 2,= 3, 4=0Aare the PULSE (In this case, the 4 pulse)=0A=0AThe wa= y you subdivide that pulse so that all of the notes in the ostinato rhythm = (repetitive syncopative=0Aor non-syncopative rhythms) fall on the subdivis= ions (in the case of our example, the 8th notes)=0Ais what I call the SUB= PULSE=0A=0AIn a typical 3/4, 4/4, 5/4, 6/4, 7/4, etc. tune you might have = a subpulse=0Athat is 8th notes, triplet 8th notes, 16th notes, triplet = 16th notes or even 32nd notes (Mbalax from Senegal,=0Aor grooves from the h= ip hop producer Timbaland as the rare example)=0A=0AAny embellishment that = occurs (as distinguished from what we call fills, or breaking from the pat= tern=0Aat the end of every 8, 16 or 32 bars, typically) at a faster rate (s= maller note value)=0Aand in this particular case, 16th notes what I call=0A= EMBELLISHMENTS=0AThey are specifically played at a faster rate than the sub= pulse=0A=0AIn groove playing or groove arrangement, it's extremely importa= nt to understand what the=0ASUB PULSE is. if you ignore it or use a note = value that is either too high or too low, you run the risk=0Aof not underst= anding how the listener hears the music; how the dancer dances to it.=0A= =0AThough 16th notes are played periodically as embellishments by the drum = or the 'pick bass' guitar lines=0Ain this case) the 'feel' of the music is = NOT 16th notes, but rather 8th notes (the note value of the syncopative=0Ab= ass line that drives this song.=0A=0APeople frequently mistake the PULSE fo= r the SUBPULSE, the SUBPULSE for EMBELLISHMENTS.=0AThis is why so many gui= tar and keyboard players (sorry for picking on you guys) write such horribl= e=0Adrum machine patterns for their songs.=0A=0AIf you guys are interested = I'll lay out an approach for successful rhythm section writing and=0Arhyth= m section arranging or tweaking in future posts but, again, this festival= is just freezing my brain so it may have to come at odd intervals.=0A=0AAl= so, it should be said that in almost 30 years of producing and 35 years of = professional playing that=0Athis approach has proven extrememely successful= . Mine is a relatively conservative approach but=0Ait always works. I a= lso believe that every single rhythm or rhythmic arrangement has a particul= ar feel to=0Ahuman beings................you only need to add one 16/th not= e offbeat snare drum hit to the drum beat of Queen's 'We Will Rock You" to = realize that the original and the embellished versions sound completely dif= ferent to the the listener.=0A=0ALastly, it should be said that this is a v= ery effective map for arrangement, composition and even real time=0Aimprovi= sation.=0A=0AAs Alfred Korzybski said, "The Map is not the Territory".=0AH= eisenberg's Uncertainty Principle states that by merely observing, on a sub= atomic level, that=0Awe change the nature of the thing we observe (okay, t= his is a very simplistic understanding of his=0Aprinciple but a useful one)= .=0AMy mentor, the amazing maverick scientist Gregory Bateson said, "We ar= e doomed to make=0Aimperfect maps of reality due to our inherent neurophysi= ology. He said that, however, there=0Ais such a thing as a better map.=0A= =0ASo, this is a small part of the best map I can offer and I try to cons= tantly find holes in it and accept any critiques of it. (lol, after thirty= years of teaching it, a student last week informed me that there isn't a = word tertiary but that the two correct terms are binary and ternary........= ........you learn something every day, hopefully.=0A=0AIt doesn't not con= sider all kinds of musics but it particular effective when use in music of = Africa, the African Diaspora, the Middle East (with the exception of Middl= eastern and Persian classical musics), the village groove musics of India = (and NOT Indian Classical music), all the major regional popular music sty= les of the Americas=0A(but not so called free Jazz) and most of the Europea= n and UK musical styles.=0A=0Ayours, Rick Walker=0Aps in the new year I'= m going to be teaching my entire Rhythm Intensive=0Aonline with real time v= ideo conferencing if anyone is interested in taking that=0A4 week, 1 hour a= week course, of it's 4 week advanced addition.=0ALet me know if anyone is= interested in taking that course. It's taught one on one, is pure theory= =0Aand has teaching materials supplied.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 07:10:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 944A13BE81; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 07:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8FOPxO7MZrXVvnDc2unxl90h7JF+qVAogxb1x8sS0r4=; b=LBRseAQ6YdpIdsBDBLvb8o21SB2JnmOtHQGaybToVeVtjaHW6i8NRpYkEHW9UqFBei oLcn5SVjPX7q3ppyNIZ2FpOgPeDvJqoFzw4CTTlSCWssl853VYWsquRyetqhfkwv8u14 ZsyJEeyTaigqL2ej2nCoDPG5JAw2fo1MHnHY4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UG25hHwr673/Ek93pdkvhankND18X0aZGlHuC+Q0vT+jFYLju7eso5wDPg3TvmzARM F0kOcmPOdmYt/Ybzj1hemsTZe2CqQHo9ZVxJxtkHqnnJn4Ep5MQ0krVctRI0tIAlaanI Nf5NDCMq32VrZ9sm1Nj5RkPyVxvDxiBl9uWJI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C8EF335.7030705@cruzio.com> References: <20100914005145.597394FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> <4C8EF335.7030705@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:10:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e887b9d16868b049032ea5f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 07:10:57 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e887b9d16868b049032ea5f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rock on Rick im all waiting for it and no doubt this will be succesful,we are all in need of this!!! Luis > > yours, Rick Walker > ps in the new year I'm going to be teaching my entire Rhythm Intensive > online with real time video conferencing if anyone is interested in taking > that > 4 week, 1 hour a week course, of it's 4 week advanced addition. > Let me know if anyone is interested in taking that course. It's taught one > on one, is pure theory > and has teaching materials supplied. > > > > > --e0cb4e887b9d16868b049032ea5f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rock on Rick im all waiting for it and no doubt this will be succesful,we a= re all in need of this!!!
Luis

yours, =A0 Rick Walker
ps =A0in the new year I'm going to be teaching my entire Rhythm Intensi= ve
online with real time video conferencing if anyone is interested in taking = that
4 week, 1 hour a week course, =A0of it's 4 week advanced addition.
Let me know if anyone is interested in taking that course. =A0It's taug= ht one on one, is pure theory
and has teaching materials supplied.





--e0cb4e887b9d16868b049032ea5f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 09:34:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 910AD3BE86; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 494411735/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.183/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.183 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au4BAO/djkxYbRq3/2dsb2JhbAAHk3fRRYVABI0a X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,363,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="494411735" Message-ID: <4C8F41A0.50606@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:34:24 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Small Stone Power connector.. where does it go? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:34:08 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Hi, > > Can someone with a Small Stone phaser please open it up yep > and tell me > where the power socket connects to? dammit, different version presumably Mark's is Eighties vintage, does anyone out there have such a device? > I have been using mine on batteries > for years (lasts for ages) but now in a bid to stop using batteries at > all in my life, I notice that the wires have come disconnected from the > board... > If someone can d/l this pic and mark it with the 2 places red and > black... or + and - or something... Originally you had a neat switching system where plugging in the power jack disconnected the negative side of the battery. So part 1 The Red +ve lead that you snipped from the battery clip is just right for connecting the +ve terminal of your new socket. is easy now part 2 Assuming your unit was working fine with batteries. All you have to do is find a way of connecting the -ve terminal of your power socket to the chassis of the pedal. ( the earth tags on either the audio input or output are the easiest way) The "ring" tag on the input jack socket can be used if you wanted to switch off power to the circuit when there's no input jack inserted. however part 3 ...but what about that mysterious yellow wire that seems to have come adrift? Looks like that's where the audio comes in. My SS has two wires on that terminal, one goes to the bypass switch (and it's hard to see but I think yours has a red wire disappearing under the circuit board.). So, looks like that yellow wire is the one that carries the input audio onto the circuit board. ...and this is where our 2 units differ the most. Somewhere in the middle of the lower half of the circuit board as pictured there'll be a big blob of solder just like the ones around it that have wires coming out. With luck you'll even be able to see a tiny bit of the wire as evidence. ok...I'm not going to say the sch-word, but failing the above..... That's as much as I can do with that photo, if I could see the circuit traces better I might be able to suss it. andy > > Please help, how can I get that hissy swoosh without it? > > M.xxx > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 09:56:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83A5F3BE85; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=NlQd1W7nAxvewgUTnQwPrq8duFeAnvSTSToCgbmHaGM=; b=tXgiurJVNVvrV5Yzd3c+D+nxad1Y7rKuvk22o37dkVr7vKdTMk5tI7YDx84fwAiP4j etq7f+wm4kEEIK7bACobWcbeJ9XiXaamtTDqFacfkxnYE5YmuH+bK+7woRonyRmAoNw5 XDpLH2TKFYJJMuqhH0+c2/WRVNcbuuUgbrUT0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=wfFvI/4/p6+nCP+ELt6HylBnZs7GQFSZU6SRZla4nB94VKj4HNXcNkscNwgA6Voibu b5aKcxZZ8quL5Cr+QPOZoo4GV6HaFFoAttgRzqZ2llboRqQGumMBFeiTC+JASCIXzLa4 W/xRqeAoVxDS+BaR9N3g5eNVTckYLJ2kTSDK8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C8F41A0.50606@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C8F41A0.50606@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:56:35 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5eynD8NRKJZbDWGM_A2Yo_Yqrf8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Small Stone Power connector.. where does it go? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cdc38b0823a0490353b93 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:56:56 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cdc38b0823a0490353b93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ha ha.. fantastic Andy.. I think I might be able to suss it out with you instructions.. I think it all made sense, just need to get home and try it out On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:34 AM, andy butler wrote: > ok...I'm not going to say the sch-word, but failing the above..... > Sorry Im a bit slow.. I think you have to say the word.. "Schmuck"??? "Schweppes"??"School"?? You know it WAS working from batteries.. but you are completely right, in my blindness I DID appear to have snipped that lead from the audio in, I found the other end dangling under the circuitboard connected to the footswitch. I replaced it, but the thing still didnt work. Ill try to follow you instructions later. I think you are right... Its been pretty fun pulling out all my dusty old pedals and making a stompbox solution, (I loved that Small Stone.. - hint! pull out the input jack heh heh.. fun!!!) for a few years now Ive been using multi effects, first the GP16, then Fireworx... Even tho its been a bit of a 'mare fitting all my pedals into my old pedal board, its kind of sexy... after THIS, my plan is to ad CV control to some of my pedals currently UN-used expression pedal inputs, and running them from an old analog sequencer... pretty old skool. but then synchin all that from Mobius thru Audio Mulch... yum yum... its gonna be crazy! -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0015175cdc38b0823a0490353b93 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ha ha.. fantastic Andy.. I think I might be able to suss it out with you in= structions.. I think it all made sense, just need to get home and try it ou= t

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:34 AM, andy = butler <akbu= tler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
o= k...I'm not going to say the sch-word, but failing the above.....

Sorry Im a bit slow.. I think you have to say = the word.. "Schmuck"??? "Schweppes"??"School"= ??

You know it WAS working from batteries.. but you are completely r= ight, in my blindness I DID appear to have snipped that lead from the audio= in, I found the other end dangling under the circuitboard connected to the= footswitch. I replaced it, but the thing still didnt work. Ill try to foll= ow you instructions later.

I think you are right...

Its been pretty fun pulling out all my= dusty old pedals and making a stompbox solution, (I loved that Small Stone= .. - hint! pull out the input jack heh heh.. fun!!!) for a few years now Iv= e been using multi effects, first the GP16, then Fireworx... Even tho its b= een a bit of a 'mare fitting all my pedals into my old pedal board, its= kind of sexy... after THIS, my plan is to ad CV control to some of my peda= ls currently UN-used expression pedal inputs, and running them from an old = analog sequencer... pretty old skool. but then synchin all that from Mobius= thru Audio Mulch... yum yum... its gonna be crazy!

--
mark francombe
www.m= arkfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkha= o.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--0015175cdc38b0823a0490353b93-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 09:58:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B48883BE8A; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=//2UXYQDsBU9bVe5feTyp7lrjHskNunyYkKVcMzFg7g=; b=swNDfMopdsQhBtPvU2htFUifLVBppGNBB4Ut8YYKNPf4kx4Z47xz/iEQ7vG53sdqSD tCjcDYkoOKE5LDimFKQvlo5q0oQvY80orMZdmfdQ4uBfB6Ti2Us4KE6ArUcif9Ud6GGO n5iG9OraC4aHqs9jVLx4UmWZRmj54oPktKbPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=SdStHb5eR4LEEPE9WdqFXzQFgCOCgjM87bfJx+Jgha+lnuOXfbJGlWvMezgKfJsa27 GlZHtFVNp6edo4SAnavqw9XGbbATbaVUJVADHUsXcQ8S4uOJfw2xRCEkP615D/W53GVO jkwBUuJmetS024FPH21SqEtsZAm6Ktntj5+XU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20100914005145.597394FCE5@c-in3ws--03-06.sv2.lotuslive.com> <4C8EF335.7030705@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:58:38 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: HwDG9VKm5DF4xut9VDnF-JkV2i8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd5f6a407e6ac04903543b9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:58:59 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd5f6a407e6ac04903543b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Me too... I might be a dismal failure though, I have no preciseness in my playing... but very interested in the theory... On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Rock on Rick im all waiting for it and no doubt this will be succesful,we > are all in need of this!!! > Luis > > >> yours, Rick Walker >> ps in the new year I'm going to be teaching my entire Rhythm Intensive >> online with real time video conferencing if anyone is interested in taking >> that >> 4 week, 1 hour a week course, of it's 4 week advanced addition. >> Let me know if anyone is interested in taking that course. It's taught >> one on one, is pure theory >> and has teaching materials supplied. >> >> >> >> >> > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --000e0cd5f6a407e6ac04903543b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Me too... I might be a dismal failure though, I have no preciseness in my p= laying... but very interested in the theory...

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Louie Angulo <<= a href=3D"mailto:louie.angulo@googlemail.com">louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
Rock on Rick im a= ll waiting for it and no doubt this will be succesful,we are all in need of= this!!!
Luis


yours, =A0 Rick Walker
ps =A0in the new year I'm going to be teaching my entire Rhythm Intensi= ve
online with real time video conferencing if anyone is interested in taking = that
4 week, 1 hour a week course, =A0of it's 4 week advanced addition.
Let me know if anyone is interested in taking that course. =A0It's taug= ht one on one, is pure theory
and has teaching materials supplied.








--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--000e0cd5f6a407e6ac04903543b9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 13:55:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C57323BE7F; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 494575451/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.183/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.183 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au4BAAocj0xYbRq3/2dsb2JhbAAHk3jRX4VABI0a X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,365,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="494575451" Message-ID: <4C8F7EE1.5080604@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:55:45 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Small Stone Power connector.. where does it go? References: <4C8F41A0.50606@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3ePneD.A.GPH.P73jMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:55:27 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Ha ha.. fantastic Andy.. I think I might be able to suss it out > Sorry Im a bit slow.. I think you have to say the word.. "Schmuck"??? > "Schweppes"??"School"?? in order to not offend the sensitive: sch*matic > Its been pretty fun pulling out all my dusty old pedals and making a > stompbox solution, (I loved that Small Stone.. - hint! pull out the > input jack heh heh.. fun!!!) on my small stone pulling out the in jack just switches off the circuit :-( I've also been playing around with some analog stuff, and may end up using the Gordius LG to generate sequenced CV. good luck Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 14:14:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02FD33BE84; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HZPT3I40FGyB7sXPHKwBUnJ4L97hCftHeNZFzSjLCtg=; b=pZEO4aKuaPaok5UUaErG+5sMh9DSp99lIfKlDWz9OcduFASIsex4nLIRx++90JOEBw oiksIA8eM91gK9oQCP+fUjc4qQZu9zvVFxCDB5HnHzloCKPdnwfmERduCCScOCjPXX68 vhO0PVNPgMYBCE37Bo+YzosVuSM0XtDOJ9hoQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UdrrwDY1/U3ZhnmweXgn7+12QYxcT7kvpCPxlqxexu5ECTBrRNg8XGS/8gsz4Apk8M ETcSZ1K5eqJMDqjeqeSXfjMojjr4wgkc+A8LDeC8ewvbnZ7VvwDCkGmMW8yOrEnJoA9q xQn5FomgrkMD5NAinAydRB9IxHABy3BLSOKWA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C8F7EE1.5080604@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C8F41A0.50606@tiscali.co.uk> <4C8F7EE1.5080604@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:14:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Small Stone Power connector.. where does it go? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:14:22 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:55 PM, andy butler wrote: > I've also been playing around with some analog stuff, and may end up using > the > Gordius LG to generate sequenced CV. Cool. I'm not that advanced yet with my LG2... So far I've only asked it to do the Behringer Waltz with me. But I have seen its power within and may want to stretch our relationship a bit further in the future. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 14:21:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A0F33BE86; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=kvZbdSRY3uk9OM4jJ9ddcIgW3uR6n6E93JfXb+5NJZQ=; b=qYlvdH9bFDyGP0fdDViRf5LErMaxeSN3LoOYCK75UWqvWfb/o0LskdCrzARoFj7UKW hJZd9+bXryuS2JQVJ6ieCz6fd3T6zglAosNOKgz6zKDMf/5bzqawo+wosHGsECPq2mZ7 PSiNVvf+Ph/uBQa9+Js7zD2X2I895DiYuvz/Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=k0BG17UVo0VRCQx5wXmkkxaibbb4f+lGkjQruPr5F3J80QIuMjAj5gNSrdB2Q3zZvy oqpfglR2ABsuU3BrW+Ke6EbmRCPpyFhtyYW3WvvUWxvn3zToUcVx0RtHcM6ER4i2lgWZ /McvZ4610Mr5le5S7Bk7YEiw3SWWuNZQPqvUw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C8F7EE1.5080604@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C8F41A0.50606@tiscali.co.uk> <4C8F7EE1.5080604@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:21:16 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: yjgG5FyigDUKuFW27qFqfCD5X7g Message-ID: Subject: Re: Small Stone Power connector.. where does it go? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65096e6488ecd049038eee8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:21:38 +0000 (UTC) --0016e65096e6488ecd049038eee8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ahh.. shame, they implemented a easter egg killer then?.... it makes a HUGE siren sound, dependant on the speed of the er... speed knob... Ive heard it on lots of old tracks... so its not so unknown... On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:55 PM, andy butler wrote: > on my small stone pulling out the in jack just switches off the circuit :-( -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016e65096e6488ecd049038eee8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahh.. shame, they implemented a easter egg killer then?.... it makes a HUGE= siren sound, dependant on the speed of the er... speed knob... Ive heard i= t on lots of old tracks... so its not so unknown...

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:55 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wr= ote:
on my small stone pulling out the in jack just switches off the circuit :-(=



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--0016e65096e6488ecd049038eee8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 14:37:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20B1D3BE86; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 491611255/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.183/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.183 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au4BAC8lj0xYbRq3/2dsb2JhbAAHk3nRfoVABI0agmo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,365,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="491611255" Message-ID: <4C8F88BF.9010702@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:37:51 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Small Stone Power connector.. where does it go? References: <4C8F41A0.50606@tiscali.co.uk> <4C8F7EE1.5080604@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Mine is presumably pre-easter egg, it was bought in the 70's, although I did once hear a short decaying tone on removing the jack . having taken mine apart, and needing to get out the soldering iron to fix the battery wire that came off I decided to try and sort out some nice mods. So far I've developed a battery fuelled warming device (short circuit from hasty re-assembly) and a version that has no wet signal at all. Lastest is a version with a working vibrato switch (cuts out the dry signal, easy well documented mod) and a very much non-working experimental mod to reduce the modulation depth. ...but I'm expecting it to stop working just as soon as it's re-assembled into the box. andy mark francombe wrote: > Ahh.. shame, they implemented a easter egg killer then?.... it makes a > HUGE siren sound, dependant on the speed of the er... speed knob... Ive > heard it on lots of old tracks... so its not so unknown... > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:55 PM, andy butler > wrote: > > on my small stone pulling out the in jack just switches off the > circuit :-( > > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 16:34:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 152703BE7E; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1284482066; bh=f33vP54Yd7C7zklFvtApqFFfPev0/KGWGfStk4ceZVU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5+xCKMe2SfcIW2Cq7SfsDqQBRVRM5UwlZRXf/Xqbna7pjeatngKHpgKWCQYrkIHqJSP957Rs6mx21fMTXzkII9Rwb1RcuzQ0oFxDtip5mn+hrS+NpDkguJnZQEJbKG/TI87vDh/4kU5Rl+px2V1v50gQgoEMaSACkEN1J9B0qAs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=q8CY/SxMwrWVC1XMjim9G07z18bNdW6Z/j62o8dfLiQDhxYHwsA/oLt0wXf0Hti6fRrzOPeWPhcsqi3ewgRiqw3zmhPlUkLwMDOgo5KW743EPE1rnEDkxMvEbM4Evobjpx/ioIHmTBH9pcKCxlJcSOAY3anL5m5Z77Kwi1KB8TU=; Message-ID: <606718.99385.qm@web45910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ujf1r5UVM1l9vxek1snp.D1UEnVmr8kjA5RijzBWJXxlhdC whAJzeUejD4k_5qVesTw4OG_HGcUYU5rgZyujty5dZqFQaVvxQCaOoXjErUd Mt7JiEsA20bd_8WRJzoSJX1UIhsVHNdB.OYgY6zn_dH7JIdKtYuSuc8Nxd3k f1X0_sjDLq6nIyLG7rUrjyfxKD56q37Leue98m3B3PjYYu8IOQlwCr2_noe3 rfJqwGKl5u8fLW1lYaa0JVOgH0q37baENRDgJMI03Xxj0UT4SMe_S4.c64G8 bGS_gVi7W3ZLWTTKl.sBHAA63ifkCU8fWtYdsSQ0- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/470 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <1seo86d63r1o30r23p6d71ok60ceit0ik9@4ax.com> <4C8CFA00.4080709@googlemail.com> <841664.95470.qm@web45904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FF223@barq.sailpoint.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: E Gross Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC00FF223@barq.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-117770435-1284482066=:99385" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:34:28 +0000 (UTC) --0-117770435-1284482066=:99385 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Jeff, Thanks, I have never programmed for audio applications before, and although I have used mobius (it is excellent, by the way), I have barely scratched the surface of all of the available capabilities it contains. So, if it was open source I would be looking at it more for the content (ideas) rather than the code. I can still do that just by using it more and learning all of the functionality -- right now I went back to hardware loopers mostly because I am on the computer 8-10 hours a day and would rather just twiddle knobs on a box than spend more time on a computer during my off hours. It is a nice product already and you have done an excellent job, you should reap some of the rewards of your work. Thanks, Eric ________________________________ From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 5:55:18 PM Subject: RE: Mobius in a rack unit No Mobius isn't open source for several reasons. Mostly there are pieces of it that I may choose to incorporate in a commercial product and I don't want to muddy things up with multiple-licenses and contributor copyrights. Honestly in this case I don't think it would make much difference. Mobius on an FPGA would be so profoundly different that I would probably just start over from scratch using some of the same design ideas but none of the same code. Jeff From:E Gross [mailto:slapbandjam@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 4:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit Rainer, You piqued my curiosity too....I know Jeff is way overloaded, but is Mobius open source? That would be a fun project to do in my spare time (if I had any......) Thanks, Eric --0-117770435-1284482066=:99385 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi Jeff,

Thanks, I have never programmed for audio applications before, and although I have used mobius (it is excellent, by the way), I have barely scratched the surface of all of the available capabilities it contains. So, if it was open source I would be looking at it more for the content (ideas) rather than the code. I can still do that just by using it more and learning all of the functionality -- right now I went back to hardware loopers mostly because I am on the computer 8-10 hours a day and would rather just twiddle knobs on a box than spend more time on a computer during my off hours.

It is a nice product already and you have done an excellent job, you should reap some of the rewards of your work.

Thanks,
Eric

From: Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 5:55:18 PM
Subject: RE: Mobius in a rack unit

No Mobius isn't open source for several reasons. Mostly there are pieces

of it that I may choose to incorporate in a commercial product and I

don't want to muddy things up with multiple-licenses and contributor

copyrights.

 

Honestly in this case I don't think it would make much difference.  Mobius on an FPGA

would be so profoundly different that I would probably just start over from scratch

using some of the same design ideas but none of the same code.

 

Jeff

 

 

From: E Gross [mailto:slapbandjam@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 4:29 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit

 

Rainer,

You piqued my curiosity too....I know Jeff is way overloaded, but is Mobius open source? That would be a fun project to do in my spare time (if I had any......)

Thanks,
Eric


--0-117770435-1284482066=:99385-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 18:10:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3D8F3BE7F; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:10:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: OT The Sub Pulse was West African/African Diaspora rhythms: 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 12/8 X-Originating-Ip: 12.232.29.12 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100914181005.B79A665509A@c-in3ws--03-02.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:10:06 +0000 (UTC) >=20 >=20 > On 11:59 AM, Mark Showalter wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Ok, let me see if I have this now. > > > > The pulse is 4/4 because of the drums on the beat, but the=20 > > "sub-pulse" is the bass& the palm muted guitar because they play=20 > > on the sub-division of the beat? > > > > When you count to the music (let's take good old 4/4) > the numbers you count 1, 2, 3, 4 > are the PULSE (In this case, the 4 pulse) Let's make sure we're clear here. 4/4 means: 4 beats to a measure & each beat is represented by a 1/4 note. >=20 > The way you subdivide that pulse so that all of the notes in the=20 > ostinato rhythm (repetitive syncopative > or non-syncopative rhythms) fall on the subdivisions (in the case=20 > of our example, the 8th notes) > is what I call the SUB PULSE Ok, so in the case of the song we're talking about, you're calling the firs= t sud-division of the beat the sub-pulse. Is this always the case? For inst= ance, what about the "sub-pulse" being an accented 1/16 note pattern & no 1= /8 note pattern? If I understand your next part, then this answer should be= yes. > In a typical 3/4, 4/4, 5/4, 6/4, 7/4, etc. tune you might have a subpulse > that is 8th notes, triplet 8th notes, 16th notes, triplet 16th=20 > notes or even 32nd notes (Mbalax from Senegal, > or grooves from the hip hop producer Timbaland as the rare example) =20 > Any embellishment that occurs (as distinguished from what we call=20 > fills, or breaking from the pattern > at the end of every 8, 16 or 32 bars, typically) at a faster rate=20 > (smaller note value) > and in this particular case, 16th notes what I call > EMBELLISHMENTS > They are specifically played at a faster rate than the subpulse So what would you call embellishments that aren't played faster than the su= b-pulse? > In groove playing or groove arrangement, it's extremely important=20 > to understand what the > SUB PULSE is. if you ignore it or use a note value that is either=20 > too high or too low, you run the risk > of not understanding how the listener hears the music; how the=20 > dancer dances to it. Not being a dancer I must admit this is getting a bit obscure for me. Am I = to assume that the concept of "sub-pulse" is raelly only important in regar= ds to dance music? =20 > Though 16th notes are played periodically as embellishments by the=20 > drum or the 'pick bass' guitar lines > in this case) the 'feel' of the music is NOT 16th notes, but rather=20 > 8th notes (the note value of the syncopative > bass line that drives this song. Sorry, but as far as I could tell, there was no syncopation in the bassline= or the muted guitar part whatsoever, although I might have missed it. =20 > People frequently mistake the PULSE for the SUBPULSE, the SUBPULSE=20 > for EMBELLISHMENTS. > This is why so many guitar and keyboard players (sorry for picking=20 > on you guys) write such horrible > drum machine patterns for their songs. This would not be me since I've never really thought about the "sub-pulse" = issue other than when some of my drummer/perc guys tried to explain the con= cept to me.....& hence this entire discussion. =20 you only need to add one 16/th note=20 > offbeat snare drum hit to the drum beat of Queen's 'We Will Rock=20 > You" to realize that the original and the embellished versions=20 > sound completely different to the the listener. I would have to mildly dissagree here as I doubt that most people really no= tice much differnce in an arragement, especially dance, since if you play a= song in 4/4 the majority of people are dancing to that only & don't notice= any additions or such. Now, if you are referring to professional dancers = then I would certainly agree that they would pick up on any changes & could= then incorporate those changes into their performance. The common everyday= folk however........=20=20 I would like to add that I have been a performer for over 30 years, althoug= h the majority of my music is not dance oriented. I do have some in my bag,= like early Beatles, Clapton's "wonderful Tonite" & such, but my work ( bot= h arranging & performing ) on dance material is rather limited. > Lastly, it should be said that this is a very effective map for=20 > arrangement, composition and even real time > improvisation. >=20 > As Alfred Korzybski said, "The Map is not the Territory". Picasso: "The picture is not the thing." > Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle states that by merely observing,=20 > on a sub atomic level, that > we change the nature of the thing we observe (okay, this is a very=20 > simplistic understanding of his > principle but a useful one). Not sure how this applies to any of this discussion....... and that is not = actually what the Uncertainty Principle states: When cannot know the values= of complimentary aspects of a particle beyond the limits of the principle = or the Heisenberg limit. So, you can get a good idea of the speed of a part= icle or it's position, but not both & the more you know of one value the le= ss you can know of the other. So, I'm lost as to why you brought this up...= ...... > My mentor, the amazing maverick scientist Gregory Bateson said,=20=20 > "We are doomed to make > imperfect maps of reality due to our inherent neurophysiology. He=20 > said that, however, there > is such a thing as a better map. >=20 > So, this is a small part of the best map I can offer and I try to=20 > constantly find holes in it and accept any critiques of it. (lol,=20 > after thirty years of teaching it, a student last week informed me=20 > that there isn't a word tertiary but that the two correct terms are=20 > binary and ternary................you learn something every day,=20=20=20 > hopefully. Your student was wrong: =E2=80=A2The Tertiary is a term for a geologic period 65 million to 2.588 m= illion years ago. The Tertiary covered the time span between the superseded= Secondary period and the Quaternary Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 21:03:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95E083BE84; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1LqI93aT/UKc75HpBkaZVWXAfuv0CZtWdxXAWcdwl1k=; b=upWdBarca7UHwCQoiX8KG9a0qSS6xPU+OArxFwixEMZgX/CVCWfYwZLw7a0TNFpUIr YtEyCibEgQF+99sfVJEe0YfRhoRIisjjfd6EuMgq1kSLyYsGdJarh7M9wYdfyfUbqTJo VdgxRujaEs5pY58b+ZJMfX7tLpV25I+oamkbI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=w2I/yTTl3NbeJi5rCZjMNZatw985ZRsRDOKXuTCBgn4B1YswG+pge7sXjvH21nQLED BCqLoNRqG7AOeZoh1D0s6a/bJzqxOwsR0En1jjJa4cVRfSvf5597sCDbt7Ji/PkzR9fN 5WsFoTrf/cpd57bEl72Icvcy5M/3ZwBH9A7BI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:03:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: silent switches- Jamman Stereo looper experiences so far From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba53ab449fc2f904903e8be8 Resent-Message-ID: <_erODC.A.mqG.kM-jMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:03:32 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba53ab449fc2f904903e8be8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes,is fun finally looping with a small stompbox in stereo,if u do panning delays etc.,is a bit limited as far as looping features but the fact that it has a microphone input,and room to load up samples all in a small stomp makes it interesting.Plus i can finally do it all without a mixer! because you can regulate the input of both guitar and mic separately. However i also tried it in the aux of a mixer because it can overload quite easy going straight into the mic input if u use vocal effects before it like i do with my voice tone create and harmony g which both have input volume gains. The jamman also has a "dry defeat" to use in the aux of a mixer feature But i found that the panorama of the stereo efx iarent as nice with this configuration,they tend to sound a bit more mono... i dont understand why though,i go into the line 6 m9 with my stereo guitar signal then the outs of the m9 straight into 2 separate mixer channels hard panned the mixer has 2 aux sends which i connect to the inputs of the jamman stereo and return them to separate channels on the mixer which i hard pan left and right.But still when i loop the pingpong delay signals from the M9 it doesnt sound as spread out as going directly into the jamman... The time stretching is also cool and i was surprised that it dones not create so many artifacts like a lof the other stuff,though it only works if u save a sample into a memory slot,also once you have done any overdubbing on top of that you will not be able to time stretch.It seems that that feature is more geared towards accompaniment. The software to manage samples is also really easy to use and now it works great in a mac as well! If those buttons were a bit more quiet it would be great,thats why im looking to perhaps have them replaced... all in all a little simple cool box if u dont want to carry stereo rack gear,samplers and mixers. cheers Luis On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Milo wrote: > If you can find the specifications of the Jamman stereo looper switches, > perhaps there is a similar product in the market. If you have good soldering > skills, it is worth a shot. > > > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > >> hi gang, >> ive been testing the new jamman stereo looper,not bad really,it can be >> quite interesting combined with the M9 >> the one thing i dont like about it is the switches they are terribly loud! >> do you think it would be easy to replace them with more silent switches or a >> complicated task? anybody ever replaced switches on digitech pedals?what >> kind of switches would you suggest? >> actually the ones on the Digitech FS 300 footswitcher are really nice and >> quite they should have put those on! >> thanx >> Luis >> > > --90e6ba53ab449fc2f904903e8be8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yes,is=A0 fun=A0finally looping with a small stompbox in stereo,if u d= o panning delays etc.,is a bit limited as far as looping features but the f= act that it has a microphone input,and room to load up samples all in a sma= ll stomp makes it interesting.Plus i can finally do it all without a mixer!= because you can regulate the input of both guitar and mic separately.
However i also tried it in the aux of a mixer because it can overload = quite easy going straight into the mic input if u use vocal effects before = it like i do with my voice tone create and harmony g which both have input = volume gains.
The jamman also has a "dry defeat" to use in the aux of a mi= xer =A0feature But i found that the panorama of the=A0stereo efx=A0iarent a= s nice with this configuration,they tend to sound a bit more mono...
i dont understand why though,i go into the line 6 m9=A0 with my stereo= guitar signal then the outs of the m9 straight into 2 separate mixer chann= els hard panned
the mixer has 2 aux sends which i connect to the inputs of the jamman = stereo and return them to separate channels on the mixer which i hard pan l= eft and right.But still when i loop the pingpong delay=A0signals from the M= 9 it doesnt sound as spread out as going directly into the jamman...
The time stretching is also cool and i was surprised that it dones not= create so many artifacts like a lof the other stuff,though it only works i= f u save a sample into=A0a memory slot,also once you have done any overdubb= ing on top of that you will not be able to time stretch.It seems that that = feature=A0is more geared towards accompaniment.
The software to manage samples is also really easy to use and now it w= orks great in a mac as well!
If=A0 those buttons were a bit more quiet it would be great,thats why = im looking to perhaps have them replaced...
all in all a little simple cool box if u dont want to carry stereo=A0r= ack gear,samplers and mixers.
cheers
Luis
=A0


=A0
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Milo <milo.vuc@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
If you can find the specificatio= ns of the Jamman stereo looper switches, perhaps there is a similar product= in the market. If you have good soldering skills, it is worth a shot.=20


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
hi gang,
ive been= testing the new jamman stereo looper,not bad really,it can be quite intere= sting combined with the M9
the one thing i dont like about it is the switches they are terribly loud! = do you think it would be easy to replace them with more silent switches or = a complicated task? anybody ever replaced switches on digitech pedals?what = kind of switches would you suggest?
actually the ones on the Digitech FS 300 footswitcher are really nice and q= uite they should have put those on!
thanx
Luis
=

--90e6ba53ab449fc2f904903e8be8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 21:11:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8A033BE7F; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=YehIoGoMvdbtkuBFJhfEURsGO4u3f933ovbvjplKcjs=; b=uj26Gc43RCtWZp6wzW2tCcGaGqdhL7W1m/NJEZjDNkfX96u3Ij6vXqwGuxVSHaxVAN GSTEs7J1MtNIEKCf9xQjxEb1mT4b262rKdl1x8PpB3JzzAr5j4upkt88ITFKK4jsazw3 xfRncxwr6jZ8T+fA4rCJEeHjmIyEK04zrhB6E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=PEoRiR2K9uwLzXHFN7qHUZ6gGOc0NUKH9ZtiZhnI/uoaCwcXLLEx4PZYLlVllnIvIg Eitffz3X5woaOi1Tiyf+btOj7JD70Efp1m2tNO9f11DLM9V2aR/CHX+QzeE9NtuLN4dJ hoQssRe5VQY041p8+cHWyh4ByqQVkXlH+pj7o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C8F41A0.50606@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C8F41A0.50606@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:11:35 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3hyagOhIHwWBGhIxomibk-cvle0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Small Stone Power connector.. where does it go? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367b6fa0a151c504903ea9b9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:11:55 +0000 (UTC) --0016367b6fa0a151c504903ea9b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Andy... the mysterious yellow wire.. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:34 AM, andy butler wrote: > part 3 > ...but what about that mysterious yellow wire that seems to have come > adrift? > > > > So, looks like that yellow wire is the one that carries the input audio > onto the circuit board. > ...and this is where our 2 units differ the most. > Somewhere in the middle of the lower half of the circuit board as pictured > there'll be a big blob of solder just like the ones around it > that have wires coming out. With luck you'll even be able to see a tiny bit > of the wire as evidence. > Here s new pic, close up the offending area: http://skitch.com/markfrancombe/dssjd/mail-2048x1536 As you can see, my 2 wires on the input tag are intact, red one sure does go to the footswitch and the yellow dives somewhere into the center of the circuitboard. It may be that you are right that this wire goes to the center at the bottom, altho I cant see any evidence of remains Im afraid, but what makes you have that Idea? Is that where YOUR corner yellow cable goes, or doesnt it exist in your version? thanks for your help.. Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016367b6fa0a151c504903ea9b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Andy... the=A0mysterious=A0yellow wire..

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:34 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.c= o.uk> wrote:
part 3
=A0...but what about that mysterious yellow wire that seems to have come a= drift?
=A0
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=A0
So, looks like that yellow wire is the one that carries the input audio ont= o the circuit board.
...and this is where our 2 units differ the most.
Somewhere in the middle of the lower half of the circuit board as pictured<= br> there'll be a big blob of solder just like the ones around it
that have wires coming out. With luck you'll even be able to see a tiny= bit of the wire as evidence.

Here s = new pic, close up the offending area:


As you can see, my 2 wires on the input tag are intact,= red one sure does go to the footswitch and the yellow dives somewhere into= the center of the circuitboard.

It may be that you are right that this wire goes to the= center at the bottom, altho I cant see any evidence of remains Im afraid, = but what makes you have that Idea? Is that where YOUR corner yellow cable g= oes, or doesnt it exist in your version?

thanks for your help..

Mark





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--0016367b6fa0a151c504903ea9b9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 21:13:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E743A3BE75; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VimgH7tZ7vC4sSkxhmPhHOEGz8iWZefk6EzmkpBUs50=; b=pEH4P7Yt7TQh2nlQzbQuz7YUetl/NYYDOUlAddfkOPug5v1Bwwe0kgHaZVVpqfueVR QxAjqDqVNrRRE3CG9z1d9c+HxA3tuIWufXh4cNLxbpMD8N+AVUkxYCeDoc9SvaS6kgrr Nc2rzfLkiRTQbFaRoRG8rasMhz52RFN/e0Ldk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=SKcvmvU329Dz2qtcmhfxzjppfPtbPTItCJF19auZ4Nw145w2TvmbgCRih7uF9luodt SqB+uYM5t1xTIwmmeRdOBNDhKpF0sbjTSyD7q9glXK6tdV1HMJmbEezvJx1fAMDYqW14 qYgWQHNQent0fWaIqLo1MOVva4M/7LIZ076uk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:13:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit From: Loaf citious To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:13:39 +0000 (UTC) James, Thanks so much for sharing this info on your custom computer. I've been looking for a simple midi merge and thru for some time and was very happy to read your post and go digging up the info. And of course wouldn't you know it, it's called MidiSolutions. cheers, Andy G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 21:14:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 837013BE8B; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=wcPGrpkapOWqS8t4ckJbR2fn+yvBdBe+SqlhkK4X8HU=; b=ai6LzLJvk/AnnkuPUHNPjf8L+8zsUAbzIOplB+gMl5rhaAOPSQeR/lSK/fjgUHKYh1 9DVc5QYBUGx+WLCF4J5OpwilWA3OVIqqPEzskTQVuE/ogTtZZX3aPTRBHPJQ+K6jQASb ULTvqFiMLdssLEknebPdk6fCbX3bR7L+pyEw8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=jSAsqkILtTIbPxrOgCIX7F8YW1dJa2GHnB6bey7DcOFyP1V5aE20wrreJTWDf6/68M CJWKf0aer9AhPJrYk+DYPsxBTlLee8zmRZvDzIL3q5uQ7fUPpDnZ1dtyTW8pWWBGTWlT 5goq/KIcKSUlxOgawQRJzARFOddJgcnnNNJJM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4C8F41A0.50606@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:14:05 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lMkQRrbe62AKa7A4_vxCGBQ2SFk Message-ID: Subject: Re: Small Stone Power connector.. where does it go? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f9da96ca8555104903eb2a0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:14:27 +0000 (UTC) --00c09f9da96ca8555104903eb2a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh.. by the way ;-))) http://music-electronics-forum.com/attachments/8640d1269453897-eh_small_stone_phaser.jpg Of course, its kind ok, I can just about see that the input needs to go to a cap and the switch.. well I thin thats OK, but how do I find.." disconnected yello cable?" on the schmatic -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00c09f9da96ca8555104903eb2a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh.. by the way

;-)))


Of course, its kind ok, I can just about see that the i= nput needs to go to a cap and =A0the switch.. well I thin thats OK, but how= do I find.." disconnected yello cable?" on the schmatic


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--00c09f9da96ca8555104903eb2a0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 14 21:29:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 193343BE87; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=vAVI4v6VoU38RftUEfSNh+1qwelCfDhc96hWVv/t+ok=; b=W/+sbyUVHgkNuy+uoTW+fMIRjukKsxHsci7frvDtWMDCymoIAwie9ZEdDn6TEH0C1+ Z99P7WSN6ZjpKQAaJrilsYdPMK2JDkF+HEucsqYvGI5HkPFNzS80s0bk51njQyx0UpkU 3OLYFqBwqxgfzG1/nl5TEVXWyreUxkCztkJH8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=CToPHQU7D9u4bWF/sSEx+B1scMEnoJzuzi25SChLixbkXIWg3UdFGOg9KduPE2ObOv k0zwzmpgrYpr/DHfYPaSKgnzzXBIad44u2g970zldSWF/618hjPBMxLMd5b9FT5bDzVD XUWJ3nY9DjQSqp02FiGVbsGP9gPolybEcV0kc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:28:57 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: te7exbb89q2vDp_-U_P6Xhj-cQw Message-ID: Subject: Re: Small Stone Power connector.. FIXED!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb1ecbcf9e104903ee7ce Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:29:18 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cb1ecbcf9e104903ee7ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 NEVER MIND its FIXED!! Yellow wire was just the ground cable for the power in socket!! Swoosh Swish Swooooooooooosh!!!! OK.. 10 mins of Hillage soloing to celebrate.. dont tell my serious improv noise friends... Swish swoosh Weeeeee TFH Mark On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:14 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Oh.. by the way > > ;-))) > > > http://music-electronics-forum.com/attachments/8640d1269453897-eh_small_stone_phaser.jpg > > Of course, its kind ok, I can just about see that the input needs to go to > a cap and the switch.. well I thin thats OK, but how do I find.." > disconnected yello cable?" on the schmatic > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0015175cb1ecbcf9e104903ee7ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NEVER MIND its FIXED!!

Yellow wire was just the ground c= able for the power in socket!!=A0

Swoosh Swish Swo= oooooooooosh!!!!=A0

OK.. 10 mins of Hillage soloin= g to celebrate.. dont tell my serious improv noise friends...

Swish swoosh Weeeeee


TFH


Mark

=




=A0

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:14 PM, mark francombe= <mark@markf= rancombe.com> wrote:
Oh.. by the way

;-)))


Of course, its kind ok, I can just about see that the i= nput needs to go to a cap and =A0the switch.. well I thin thats OK, but how= do I find.." disconnected yello cable?" on the schmatic



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--0015175cb1ecbcf9e104903ee7ce-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 03:07:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 731D43BE85; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 03:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XCSmwTHuXc7OSR+MXv3OcpiVSxIqJqT5FD8eRtlN6YA=; b=hMlevr9IveNFMYLpwOSnVV2KiMzBVBlkJvQR8We6McZyqtwRdDnfVBHk1FN1dIrolM pqcClDVvp04jGl7dx/REAA0mHS8CSGSWWBV58m9W13IFVwy8ZrpgcEXTyqgiuhSeN5au Wo7H1SmfJKuoPNljohrBA+DIg29RbMbyYmeR8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qJBxb8O5/TferpRbOgEDYdKJuwcCGe2K36sbFWvD3d24qP58kF4Jy6HE2KRFMjpKhI RWwgWZKJZz8veu+TNFWgTz1bzJBWOAaw9fCsySJfAMi6ECgkKlPkspyHA9T62OwwADPb 2xr9OIibRCzC1ccwZbniZoM3NeKiXrNf6Qb8s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:07:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius in a rack unit From: james fowler To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <8E5t7B.A.toF.chDkMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 03:07:08 +0000 (UTC) yeah, my go-to's for midi stuff are m-audio, midisolutions, and motu. - jim On Tuesday, September 14, 2010, Loaf citious wrote: > James, > Thanks so much for sharing this info on your custom computer. > I've been looking for a simple midi merge and thru for some time > and was very happy to read your post and go digging up the info. > And of course wouldn't you know it, it's called MidiSolutions. > > cheers, > Andy G > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 04:05:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 404563BE85; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 04:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=sZf1PufZQQa26E56Ok+WS1Ns7Y2Azqlyo7F/jYVyPvs=; b=X4OL2bar3Q8f8TGKMhYWDnyu234p7l/Pm0+kKWqoSne+W8625y2RDzEw2WgCjCWwAs tg4NA+3kApHGUEaLdkwWgb8Bl53PY9HuR1BrqnaGw1iWl1oFm5VG6YJ1LpGchj7Skllk 8kv2gpTeYgNHM23fNy/dFp0VBQu+SRJsCv+tE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=W5RCjia8YZLxWb6MIkcJ5XaQCEsxXSqDCN5wosxp80w0LnnzRVGSQq2zuynuz18Myy 6E9Wzy+Q1MYMRlOYTVvk8U7bydY96Ogvg2PB+chjGFwFpOwBG7vWiIX6rnrJIDY8ufKP M8+jCnpJtLYlxa1OtGn6/B/tC+uZORQ+n4uKE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 06:05:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: The eccentric world of home-made guitars From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e887beded38910490447031 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 04:05:34 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e887beded38910490447031 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hmm...the blue one looks familiar http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/14/crafted.guitars/index.html?hpt=C2 --e0cb4e887beded38910490447031 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hmm...the blue one looks familiar
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--e0cb4e887beded38910490447031-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 09:51:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E81DF3BE85; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 495227366/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.29.102/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.29.102 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au4BAB40kExYbR1m/2dsb2JhbAAHlBDQf4VBBI0ggmw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,370,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="495227366" Message-ID: <4C90972E.3090802@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:51:42 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Small Stone Power connector.. FIXED!!! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2tlRkB.A.6DE.ucJkMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:51:42 +0000 (UTC) wooohooo! :-) mark francombe wrote: > NEVER MIND its FIXED!! > > Yellow wire was just the ground cable for the power in socket!! > > Swoosh Swish Swooooooooooosh!!!! > > OK.. 10 mins of Hillage soloing to celebrate.. dont tell my serious > improv noise friends... > > Swish swoosh Weeeeee > > > TFH > > > Mark > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:14 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Oh.. by the way > > ;-))) > > http://music-electronics-forum.com/attachments/8640d1269453897-eh_small_stone_phaser.jpg > > Of course, its kind ok, I can just about see that the input needs to > go to a cap and the switch.. well I thin thats OK, but how do I > find.." disconnected yello cable?" on the schmatic > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 19:53:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78FA73BE7F; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XHPFrTDnE4jiaAOl/7zDpAYG43eB+d8F6ZRMN+liC4Q=; b=p36678qbs2G9xHWG115GCCa7b1UejMeDZLT2sCH6foLvuBKvlGUgZJ6I/6UBVyx2m8 2L6vJ4w0a3u1vIlFEeOqYpQWfm+w9fL76B6ThROE+BMM26W4mzIaWGC07qx/F17cgyRT Ges9y7F7cPC2mHHMZbcdcnvo50PlAdbNKyNhs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=sFPsSFbZCSePzIGcpaBi+p0+pFHmrnt2uBcFOA5HVqy2ZAdel3Z+ZwCpjDDqvmmV/7 Ot3DMHkHsL9rCWbAyTIwKz3kJme4986YjqPgyZI2Sf7I3lYu3+t8LYbv3LRSDTRBMbdj 2AQuyaKjQQdYDO1X54LA118mOdhVThs7y2od4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:53:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The eccentric world of home-made guitars From: Jeffrey Collins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00148531b6a55977ff049051ae8b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:53:20 +0000 (UTC) --00148531b6a55977ff049051ae8b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Did you see the pic of Bo Diddley and the guitar synth pickup on his guitar....Sweet! On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > hmm...the blue one looks familiar > > > http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/14/crafted.guitars/index.html?hpt=C2 > --00148531b6a55977ff049051ae8b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did you see the pic of Bo Diddley and the guitar synth pickup on his guitar= ....Sweet!

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:05 = AM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
hmm...the bl= ue one looks familiar
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--00148531b6a55977ff049051ae8b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 20:50:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66EDB3BE87; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dpBRPELKM7ICZ3J+XJm3m0sf5cA2FhBdejWW2xcacYA=; b=cK0O5W7T33xBrbnawJclLDQsUHOuCtGzC9DjJlWmxPX6dv+HuLEFWaiW+qFGvEFB1u Y96crBhSbCJWJHm0A6ZbfdX81ml+LQoq5ThrvtC7EOc5ASCMsLy8FjyeffFZN1crSKqt g95wSft9QkpCRmq39NsvExUHfM6JnwpwpToy8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=LRq5jRi6hGXJRx9mQAjHIKxq6uFXy6A4G/KW7VjoTrATuR4twn53VR03X9P3jamM8T MENuGAeaHhYQvp4Iusw1qcpVEMJYFdr51rav6z05v+LqvfPYvCVihxbqXV+ThZrB+N1/ Xqt4QiUUt1Fx/i/i3wBJj3irfSTnkzxysMO5g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:50:36 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Is this possible? From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:50:37 +0000 (UTC) I have a strange problem with some of my gear and I thought I'd run this by folks here to see if I can solve the mystery. I have a Korg AX300G effects pedal that I love dearly but it seems to behave quite strangely when playing for a while. It seems to me that while I'm playing the volume begins to fluctuate. Not abruptly, but slowly so half an hour in I feel like I can barely hear that chain of effects even though the second chain that is coming from the same guitar signal is just fine. What's strange is that it seems that the volume will come in and out like this over the course of continuous playing such that I'm not really sure what's happening. Is it possible that a piece of gear could have volume problems like this or should I be looking for some other culprit? Confused as is often the case, Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 20:56:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15AF63BE84; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1009150112 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.0.10011,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-09-15_15:2010-09-15,2010-09-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <8FF1EC380B054BCBBAF77FED2D3E9929@NORBY11> From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Is this possible? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:56:28 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Yes. When things get warm, weird stuff may happen. If you're not sure that it's the Korg, try to isolate the problem. (remove the Korg from the signal chain) t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:50 PM Subject: Is this possible? I have a strange problem with some of my gear and I thought I'd run this by folks here to see if I can solve the mystery. I have a Korg AX300G effects pedal that I love dearly but it seems to behave quite strangely when playing for a while. It seems to me that while I'm playing the volume begins to fluctuate. Not abruptly, but slowly so half an hour in I feel like I can barely hear that chain of effects even though the second chain that is coming from the same guitar signal is just fine. What's strange is that it seems that the volume will come in and out like this over the course of continuous playing such that I'm not really sure what's happening. Is it possible that a piece of gear could have volume problems like this or should I be looking for some other culprit? Confused as is often the case, Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 21:17:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 860F63BE81; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1284585438; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=xKofnG9GvQ+9W9YXZ0HrJV4ZZtA=; b=VIRlrVsA8qu4AP4Z0YkIgt08HFfQdbYsBEPjYO1VzPR6ZLXsQaLriFry4ZWUnd8g r+LqLPUSCr75HTEGiQTY/L/6OfCQcIAt8Yy4KXtWcSLhzcW2+pbfuqT/RLySnndZ; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=FUfFucYUhH+UYx9ip4Cu9//YTUkwqjg617NBoFnejps= c=1 sm=0 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=QshdvIN3DwYsIEhIzlh25w==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=kpHFvfvXAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=Dlo7cc_Y5wXQA5oWx0kA:9 a=X-0MjTv8o6hga0UTkOKYT__GzVIA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=QshdvIN3DwYsIEhIzlh25w==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000c01cb551b$5f1b1740$2d7f3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: Is this possible? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:17:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100915-1, 09/15/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <3UW4EC.A.NZG.ffTkMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:17:19 +0000 (UTC) A while back my Korg AX3000G started suddenly losing all volume after it runs for a while. All the lights are still on but nothings at home after maybe 5 min. If there is an easy fix I would love it! If i unplug it and re boot it it works for another few... Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: Is this possible? I have a strange problem with some of my gear and I thought I'd run this by folks here to see if I can solve the mystery. I have a Korg AX300G effects pedal that I love dearly but it seems to behave quite strangely when playing for a while. It seems to me that while I'm playing the volume begins to fluctuate. Not abruptly, but slowly so half an hour in I feel like I can barely hear that chain of effects even though the second chain that is coming from the same guitar signal is just fine. What's strange is that it seems that the volume will come in and out like this over the course of continuous playing such that I'm not really sure what's happening. Is it possible that a piece of gear could have volume problems like this or should I be looking for some other culprit? Confused as is often the case, Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 21:21:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F38C3BE81; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:21:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1009150116 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.0.10011,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-09-15_15:2010-09-15,2010-09-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000c01cb551b$5f1b1740$2d7f3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Subject: Re: Is this possible? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:21:24 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:21:45 +0000 (UTC) If there's a way to run it without the bottom of the enclosure so that cool air can get in that might give an answer. Who knows? t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Duke" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Is this possible? >A while back my Korg AX3000G started suddenly losing all volume after it >runs for a while. All the lights are still on but nothings at home after >maybe 5 min. If there is an easy fix I would love it! If i unplug it and re >boot it it works for another few... > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:50 PM > Subject: Is this possible? > > > I have a strange problem with some of my gear and I thought I'd run > this by folks here to see if I can solve the mystery. > > I have a Korg AX300G effects pedal that I love dearly but it seems to > behave quite strangely when playing for a while. It seems to me that > while I'm playing the volume begins to fluctuate. Not abruptly, but > slowly so half an hour in I feel like I can barely hear that chain of > effects even though the second chain that is coming from the same > guitar signal is just fine. What's strange is that it seems that the > volume will come in and out like this over the course of continuous > playing such that I'm not really sure what's happening. Is it > possible that a piece of gear could have volume problems like this or > should I be looking for some other culprit? > > Confused as is often the case, > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 21:35:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9023C3BE7F; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1284586544; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=WmXqysOKvuqeT2buyUMhkBT2WXc=; b=hu8Q1gDcNjWpewDHzpJ9wuiXLIGKkw/Cx6JtfJis94OMCq24OAlIo/xop8e9lYAi pc4DLnMMO4PyBQVWMYIo1GZrkt1SnzE8J39ulCTN/cdLgImkOJSo162SDLB2XczW; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=5XShBPJpsbaIvKGibIwRTcaqx6hKLuMOlHSKTTnZGzA= c=1 sm=0 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=QshdvIN3DwYsIEhIzlh25w==:17 a=n-kJSqksAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=kpHFvfvXAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=vV9FDJ3fI6piS2hsZDkA:9 a=EaYVhwckEodEzK01Ak_F-sSh6LAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=98jSFH7WqmUA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=QshdvIN3DwYsIEhIzlh25w==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000801cb551d$f27445f0$2d7f3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <000c01cb551b$5f1b1740$2d7f3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Subject: Re: Is this possible? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:35:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100915-1, 09/15/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Well that's worth a shot! I will try it and see if it makes a difference, It never seemed to get hot but I can't really damage it further, maybe there is user servicable parts in there :) J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby G" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Is this possible? > If there's a way to run it without the bottom of the enclosure so that > cool air can get in that might give an answer. Who knows? > > t > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Duke" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: Is this possible? > > >>A while back my Korg AX3000G started suddenly losing all volume after it >>runs for a while. All the lights are still on but nothings at home after >>maybe 5 min. If there is an easy fix I would love it! If i unplug it and >>re boot it it works for another few... >> >> Jeff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:50 PM >> Subject: Is this possible? >> >> >> I have a strange problem with some of my gear and I thought I'd run >> this by folks here to see if I can solve the mystery. >> >> I have a Korg AX300G effects pedal that I love dearly but it seems to >> behave quite strangely when playing for a while. It seems to me that >> while I'm playing the volume begins to fluctuate. Not abruptly, but >> slowly so half an hour in I feel like I can barely hear that chain of >> effects even though the second chain that is coming from the same >> guitar signal is just fine. What's strange is that it seems that the >> volume will come in and out like this over the course of continuous >> playing such that I'm not really sure what's happening. Is it >> possible that a piece of gear could have volume problems like this or >> should I be looking for some other culprit? >> >> Confused as is often the case, >> >> Kevin >> >> -- >> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >> trouble. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 21:45:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53C8C3BE85; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:45:22 UTC Message-ID: <20100915152821.zyjoialq80owksog@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:28:21 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Jeff Duke Subject: Re: Is this possible? References: <000c01cb551b$5f1b1740$2d7f3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <000801cb551d$f27445f0$2d7f3447@tbl01fcf9be917> In-Reply-To: <000801cb551d$f27445f0$2d7f3447@tbl01fcf9be917> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:45:23 +0000 (UTC) If simply turning it off and on fixes the problem, then I'd be =20 reluctant to point to heat as the problem, since a quick power cycle =20 will not cool anything down... not to say it's not heat, but I'd be =20 suspicious of that as a problem without a cool down period.. -cpr Quoting Jeff Duke : > Well that's worth a shot! I will try it and see if it makes a > difference, It never seemed to get hot but I can't really damage it > further, maybe there is user servicable parts in there :) > > J > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby G" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: Is this possible? > > >> If there's a way to run it without the bottom of the enclosure so =20 >> that cool air can get in that might give an answer. Who knows? >> >> t >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Duke" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:17 PM >> Subject: Re: Is this possible? >> >> >>> A while back my Korg AX3000G started suddenly losing all volume =20 >>> after it runs for a while. All the lights are still on but =20 >>> nothings at home after maybe 5 min. If there is an easy fix I =20 >>> would love it! If i unplug it and re boot it it works for another =20 >>> few... >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" =20 >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:50 PM >>> Subject: Is this possible? >>> >>> >>> I have a strange problem with some of my gear and I thought I'd run >>> this by folks here to see if I can solve the mystery. >>> >>> I have a Korg AX300G effects pedal that I love dearly but it seems to >>> behave quite strangely when playing for a while. It seems to me that >>> while I'm playing the volume begins to fluctuate. Not abruptly, but >>> slowly so half an hour in I feel like I can barely hear that chain of >>> effects even though the second chain that is coming from the same >>> guitar signal is just fine. What's strange is that it seems that the >>> volume will come in and out like this over the course of continuous >>> playing such that I'm not really sure what's happening. Is it >>> possible that a piece of gear could have volume problems like this or >>> should I be looking for some other culprit? >>> >>> Confused as is often the case, >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> --=20 >>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all troubl= e. >>> >>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >>> >>> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >>> >>> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 23:29:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95D183BE87; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4da65c0e3db2b071a48812810bae4671.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:29:28 -0400 Subject: Re: The eccentric world of home-made guitars From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Andr=E9_Donawa=22?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1OypnC.A.H8.WbVkMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Nice one. On Wed, September 15, 2010 12:05 am, Louie Angulo wrote: > hmm...the blue one looks familiar > > http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/14/crafted.guitars/index.html?hpt=C2 > http://barbadosguitar.com/wordpress http://twitter.com/AndreDonawa http://www.andredonawa.com http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 15 23:33:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35B533BE86; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: The eccentric world of home-made guitars From: Reyn Ouwehand In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 01:33:29 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1173587A-1109-4B50-8482-0579C16665DB@reyn.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: <0Qmhs.A.qDB.NfVkMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Lovely! On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:05 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > hmm...the blue one looks familiar > =20 > = http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/14/crafted.guitars/index.html= ?hpt=3DC2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 05:30:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A89A73BE89; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 05:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 01:27:32 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T, Jim Hobbs, Forbes Graham, Glynis Lomon Forbes Graham Sunday at Outpost 186 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 05:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the first event of Visual Music LIVE at Outpost 186 in Cambridge, MA. I'll be working with four of the finest improvising musicians in the Boston area, September 19 at 8 PM -- suggested donation $10 Duets Plus Kit Demos -- bass Glynis Lomon -- cello and voice Forbes Graham -- trumpet Jim Hobbs -- sax Dr. T -- Video Projections Eric Sack -- Camera The musicians will play duets in all possible combinations, followed by a quartet improv, accompanied b y my visuals. Many of my finished video pieces (both studio and live) can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld. with a piece from the Spring Series at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxBtaJajCkU Those of you who attend or perform at events at Outpost 186 may find my photo essay "Improvisations from an Outpost" http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157624670849749/ to be of interest, Outpost 186, 186 Hampshire St (in the back), Cambridge 617.876.0860 ~ all ages ~ http://www.zeitgeist-outpost.org -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 08:37:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E832D3BE89; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=b/A1cp18pL7+yzIixZqQAREVM1JONomTLH0PISA8/08=; b=sD4z+KtOmpQFuTiQj2TfXCi27OOfK3e08E1Ns4FVpGWm0deAcGNIBlTtX8jxqKqNiQ ThYhgjNxFfSrEf3acD/Pr/3XVBIjEz+dk2REomxRlCG82aaI8RwzuBTNg7TohIuPyexi 5oSV2GqhbmcXChBTLaURxliNsxQAzJfrO4uvs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=DcMCKaiZwU8Nnt4+/Bw9qH4sJlEp9l+9ryptVCwulvUyENPALdwz3pf3k5PTyDzzZh 2n7EDVWMV88IN47wiKUtgm+TFFK3BRSXjlW6XnK0/qI+d+RRqDbe3GeP5WClDNFRTISp Si7/HYT7j9lyOD6FZD4KO4YJpwpLmvoSu6Cjk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:37:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The eccentric world of home-made guitars From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c931b29951da04905c5b1d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:37:35 +0000 (UTC) --001636c931b29951da04905c5b1d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hahahahaha i had not see that in detail! rock on Hi tech Bo! but isnt the blue one the same "shovel man" used at the loop festival in Santa Cruz? i didnt see him unfortunately but saw pics of him,thogut he had built it himself On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Jeffrey Collins < jeffreycollins1975@gmail.com> wrote: > Did you see the pic of Bo Diddley and the guitar synth pickup on his > guitar....Sweet! > > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Louie Angulo < > louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> hmm...the blue one looks familiar >> >> >> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/14/crafted.guitars/index.html?hpt=C2 >> > > --001636c931b29951da04905c5b1d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hahahahaha i had not see that in detail! rock on Hi tech Bo!
but isnt th= e blue one the same "shovel man" used at the loop festival in San= ta Cruz? i didnt see him unfortunately but saw pics of him,thogut he had bu= ilt it himself

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Jeffrey Col= lins <= jeffreycollins1975@gmail.com> wrote:
Did you see the pic of Bo Diddley and the guitar synth pickup on his guitar= ....Sweet!


On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo= @googlemail.com> wrote:
hmm...the bl= ue one looks familiar
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--001636c931b29951da04905c5b1d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 14:44:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B56C83BE84; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <517DA5230FBF4A04A5969D0B1486DE83@ELUK1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20749426220B4857BE057E0ABB19AE01@ELUK1> <9A792991C4B146D987C8357C27128F85@ELUK1> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: How creativity is being strangled by the law Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:44:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01CB55B6.0D9BBC30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:44:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CB55B6.0D9BBC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Milo=20 Funny how all three websites you mentioned actively pursue copyright and = ownership for their content and creations: maximumpc.com - Future US, Inc. gizmodo.com - GM Sites / Gawker Media virtualbox.org - Sun Microsystems, Inc. So, they like owning stuff, they even go as far as to become = incorporated to protect their intellectual property more effectively in = the US, they just don't like other people owning stuff. Some economists = call this vulture capitalism. Many people call it Business As Usual in the old recording industry. RIAA cannot eliminate your ability to record your own work, as you = claimed, because this would be against the commercial rights of = professional sound card manufacturers (RME, M-Audio, Motu e.t.c.). All very fine and well except this somehow has not stopped efforts by = the RIAA against the reel-to-reel, cassette, DAT, CD, DVD being made = available to non-industry personnel (aka "us") in the past. =20 On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Stephen Goodman = wrote: Incorrect judgement-assumption, Milo. When I inquired to Asus about = this they admitted it was disabled and asked why I needed Stereo Mix! = After some tweaking of the registry I removed the block, without = changing drivers. = http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/dell_colludes_with_riaa_disables_st= ereo_mix_without_forewarning = http://gizmodo.com/5022726/the-riaa-may-be-forcing-laptop-manufactuers-to= -disable-stereo-mix-recording http://forum.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3D9&t=3D33629&start=3D0 From: Milo=20 Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: How creativity is being strangled by the law If your professional audio card is not able to provide you with a = stereo mix, then something is broken, either in the software or hardware = domain. It is not RIAA's or IFPI's fault, either way. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Stephen Goodman = wrote: Thanks Louie. Another issue that's not been discussed here affects = us even more: the covert elimination of "Stereo Mix" from sound card = drivers, thanks to our old pals at the RIAA. Once again, the RIAA and = its cronies are attempting to eliminate our ability to record our own = work, while preparing to whine about how the presence of a "Stereo Mix" = option on Recording Devices constitutes an invitation to steal (aka = "piracy", which the RIAA and IFPI continue to manically claim is the = sole cause of reduced sales). From: Louie Angulo=20 interesting view of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7Q25-S7jzgs cheers Luis ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CB55B6.0D9BBC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: Milo
Funny how all = three websites=20 you mentioned actively pursue copyright and ownership for their content = and=20 creations:
maximumpc.com - = Future US,=20 Inc.
gizmodo.com - GM Sites / = Gawker=20 Media
virtualbox.org - Sun = Microsystems,=20 Inc.

So, they like owning stuff, they even go as far as to become = incorporated to protect their intellectual property more effectively in = the US,=20 they just don't like other people owning stuff. Some economists call = this=20 vulture capitalism.
 
Many = people call it=20 Business As Usual in the old recording = industry.
RIAA cannot = eliminate your=20 ability to record your own work, as you claimed, because this would be = against=20 the commercial rights of professional sound card manufacturers (RME, = M-Audio,=20 Motu e.t.c.).
 
All = very fine and=20 well except this somehow has not stopped efforts by the RIAA against = the=20 reel-to-reel, cassette, DAT, CD, DVD being made available to = non-industry=20 personnel (aka "us") in the past.

 
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Stephen = Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>= =20 wrote:
Incorrect judgement-assumption, Milo.  = When I=20 inquired to Asus about this they admitted it was disabled and asked = why I=20 needed Stereo Mix!  After some tweaking of the registry I removed = the=20 block, without changing drivers.
 
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/dell_colludes_with_= riaa_disables_stereo_mix_without_forewarning
 
http://gizmodo.com/5022726/the-riaa-may-be-forcing-laptop= -manufactuers-to-disable-stereo-mix-recording
 
http://forum.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3D9&t=3D3= 3629&start=3D0
 
 

From: Milo
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:23 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: How creativity is being strangled by the=20 law

If your professional audio card is not able to = provide=20 you with a stereo mix, then something is broken, either in the = software or=20 hardware domain. It is not RIAA's or IFPI's fault, either way.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Stephen = Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Thanks Louie.  Another issue that's = not been=20 discussed here affects us even more: the covert elimination of = "Stereo Mix"=20 from sound card drivers, thanks to our old pals at the RIAA.  = Once=20 again, the RIAA and its cronies are attempting to eliminate our = ability to=20 record our own work, while preparing to whine about how the presence = of a=20 "Stereo Mix" option on Recording Devices constitutes an invitation = to steal=20 (aka "piracy", which the RIAA and IFPI continue to manically claim = is the=20 sole cause of reduced sales).

From: Louie = Angulo=20
interesting view of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7Q25-S7jzgs

c= heers
Luis


------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CB55B6.0D9BBC30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 14:48:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 632AD3BE8C; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:48:46 +0200 From: buzap@gmx.net Message-ID: <20100916144846.143180@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: SW/HW looper: more likely to get broken/stolen? To: "LD LoopersDelight" X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX192INQqBS12wPU1ZmVnx/UJ+yvonceSKLsh5YdLtm oqXgd7eMXgvbGgKt6cX6noVooWQDTPwuKS4A== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: eRaneKV9RkkNRd1hiGVqgdNudWkvKFNf X-FuHaFi: 0.73999999999999999 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I'm curious to know if that's me and what you think about this: When I bring my looping gear with me to a (semi-)public venue and I can't always keep an eye on my stuff, I feel more comfortable with a hardware setup rather than leaving my laptop standing there. I either fear somebody could break the computer (i.e. put a beer glass next to it) or it could get stolen easier. how do you feel about it - your experience? Buzap -- Neu: GMX De-Mail - Einfach wie E-Mail, sicher wie ein Brief! Jetzt De-Mail-Adresse reservieren: http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/demail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 15:30:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F063A3BE86; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0Ql1cMpMmS/zWISDidyX9gTbBQ0adTFiYvIKijodG+A=; b=wYF7X12lFpUxHC/a2ea8jz0nthgJo0o1eXrO6RctCEUD3D9UDLx/Cv33iBksSuLZHw fCt3vEzU/U1JGK0fb0du7voNqSSXTZjU/fEWGeyulWumtD853vMQky+x0vF9XJACLe38 0Ikkyh+bjvqE/EQM629NwOULBQK2g5Fw4aZdM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=V0AYnumh3gXerlT8tACWg1yBmzkWLn2WEQ5ec63+/znicJMMwJkE5OC6WuoVY+XYRM oq452hTwYqSg5rthMRmWY0ABYWYGm2tym879fVYC2LGt9kxEVohP9y3xAij//Gclm53w ZsgSz46KlFNSh7mYxsrbkzBEBaQBUJzm97bhg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100916144846.143180@gmx.net> References: <20100916144846.143180@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:30:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SW/HW looper: more likely to get broken/stolen? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <7pcU1.A.W8H.mgjkMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:30:46 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:48 PM, wrote: > I'm curious to know if that's me and what you think about this: > When I bring my looping gear with me to a (semi-)public venue and I can't always keep an eye on my stuff, I feel more comfortable with a hardware setup rather than leaving my laptop standing there. > I either fear somebody could break the computer (i.e. put a beer glass next to it) or it could get stolen easier. > > how do you feel about it - your experience? Get a case with a lock! After the gig, drop laptop and stuff into the case, lock it well secured to a firm part of the building and go buy yourself a refreshment at the bar! Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 16:00:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44C6A3BE8B; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7fB3A0YdqobPvL8YShk8PvbWFdGzjMZhshTyVpICNqQ=; b=Y/KPT+yJNXvDNjyOGRm3HAZdyGMus2XXpeYWq1jt1t5MVnhN6AaNartZfeqdoTMTK2 Vgxb42a41tZKdJTfp1HWll5vyug2DpEw+yYYiQtIi+PXmLlcZ1eaKiFVt/8mXh1bEwHi Vm5qkDC/8k3dzCHGFll/Qu6H+Txs/G4bOxWrA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=oKVtlNaDPveR9aID1D6QTVHUje3Fzo2mUnFvnCI7dkZFVEZb3193L2tPB54mM6T3mw JRooTOy10X+14LAojdlxaay0mVaA3xjmFhHRSfupDhGJMdn0Hhrs+is0IttHBdmmt62Z 0/bzMH9OQYFOUgVFBda8Ac7U9bpxNB7AEg7/c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:00:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: iPhone apps From: Tony K To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517573d84ec16670490628a68 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:00:23 +0000 (UTC) --001517573d84ec16670490628a68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Some interesting lookin iPhone/iPad music apps from Bram Bos for those of you who have them. Hammerhead drum and a Tabla app. http://brambos.com/ can't beat the price! -- -==-=-=- Tony --001517573d84ec16670490628a68 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Some interesting lookin iPhone/iPad music apps from Bram Bos for those of you who have them.

Hammerhead drum and a Tabla app.

http://brambos.com/

can't beat the price!

--
-==-=-=-
Tony
--001517573d84ec16670490628a68-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 18:18:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 120DE3BE85; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hESxdcUgYGSBslVmohtpsEF8dZrbZ7cWnuDoaAaWklY=; b=MNmogUCJYwoyhAer/dtlB8kys9iXGlIey+twTXRDPQkZzSHG0jyYxFSv0r9amaUZ5I XNdDPXcxJqo6mPFGcGi8bgRj5/90dQ15wX86EmSP811mNTi770z0ftOu6Czeha1Hi0bL SzbVdJ+Bpet/DTc/hhnKv1yv0Nt2KN7Ji5xGc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=iu4emfr0wG1sDOK82adnEtUavSk9DGmrhnZoSwSDbbMhsnKlv3p2chFWDuG5HuvXD4 WlxxnBKge8UI4EjMM8g1ktate7oZSAWlQyIH+/cKVoRb6PZkO283ivzmdZXRNYdMjzCx AmvRu/++rG75SJ+RtYdC4OJOekPInP1CzJDyw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20100916144846.143180@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:18:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SW/HW looper: more likely to get broken/stolen? From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e43ae6f3309070490647870 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:18:15 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e43ae6f3309070490647870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 but then you get a laptop with a case for free:-) On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:48 PM, wrote: > > I'm curious to know if that's me and what you think about this: > > When I bring my looping gear with me to a (semi-)public venue and I can't > always keep an eye on my stuff, I feel more comfortable with a hardware > setup rather than leaving my laptop standing there. > > I either fear somebody could break the computer (i.e. put a beer glass > next to it) or it could get stolen easier. > > > > how do you feel about it - your experience? > > > Get a case with a lock! After the gig, drop laptop and stuff into the > case, lock it well secured to a firm part of the building and go buy > yourself a refreshment at the bar! > > Per > > --e0cb4e43ae6f3309070490647870 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable but then you get a laptop with a case for free:-)

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Per Boysen <= perboysen@gmail.com> w= rote:
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:48 PM, =A0<b= uzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> I'm curious to know if that's me and what you think about this= :
> When I bring my looping gear with me to a (semi-)public venue and I ca= n't always keep an eye on my stuff, I feel more comfortable with a hard= ware setup rather than leaving my laptop standing there.
> I either fear somebody could break the computer (i.e. put a beer glass= next to it) or it could get stolen easier.
>
> how do you feel about it - your experience?


Get a case with a lock! After the gig, drop laptop and stuff into the=
case, lock it well secured to a firm part of the building and go buy
yourself a refreshment at the bar!

Per


--e0cb4e43ae6f3309070490647870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 18:42:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD2403BE8D; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_703de55e-fa67-442a-8a85-c24ce90c5b53_" X-Originating-IP: [90.229.132.96] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: Electron Octatrack Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:42:08 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2010 18:42:08.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDEAFD20:01CB55CE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:42:09 +0000 (UTC) --_703de55e-fa67-442a-8a85-c24ce90c5b53_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some new info on their site=2C iit looks like a intresting hybrid between a= looper=2C sequencer and sampler that can also mangle the loops... http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack?section=3Dfaq Reflections?? = --_703de55e-fa67-442a-8a85-c24ce90c5b53_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some new info on their site=2C iit looks like a intresting hybrid between a= looper=2C sequencer and sampler that can also mangle the loops...
http://= www.elektron.se/products/octatrack?section=3Dfaq
Reflections??
= --_703de55e-fa67-442a-8a85-c24ce90c5b53_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 19:59:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC2CE3BE8B; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GKainKt4dDKWK28P8q3+zNecEIY44xMSGh4XFUrfkJI=; b=Dbil85lRzKoeo7po6ci+Clfprx1D57MqDvB/IBjUBGym/S5IzA80tFcgNB1D4hkbqE o0oBjT7zDdk1SNIhyrkWLFAf6rImB2p4DAUOzS8OqOa2sXg92ox4uHQJIaoy2JndPqkd zY6ABPGCk8Sbvku1jh9wFmUL/iMHaxdORwnAE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=J2RsxYONMmKAzisSFoD3o4pHfqfMYNB8t7Yse6Kw4ZkCQEEkneJ/kZz6loSjDIO4o2 ynPhgy4nF5jt2v2Ja1sgGsoMfxxtqWGqKtj8JofS0cW9Yl4y00BfGTRZLtZKTc7pAs1l 9/sEetLUnhkhKbk1dG7fguajK0WA7j7KbozLQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:59:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Electron Octatrack From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:59:08 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > Some new info on their site, iit looks like a intresting hybrid between a > looper, sequencer and sampler that can also mangle the loops... > http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack?section=faq > Reflections?? An interesting product. Can't wait to see the feature-set specification and MIDI implementation chart - whenever those papers will hit the public..? I especially like to see that it has also a sequencer on board! Back in the Repeater days we plugged MIDI sequencers into the 'peter but now we get it all an one box, plus effects. And the "scenes" will be very cool; makes me think about slowly morphing between two mixer setups with different pitch shift values for every loop/track, like you can do in Logeloop. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 20:11:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EE383BE89; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:10:59 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_454e2911-d7dc-43ac-9b7e-2453e6e1a9d7_" X-Originating-IP: [90.229.132.96] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Electron Octatrack Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:05:59 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2010 20:05:59.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[94A58CA0:01CB55DA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:11:00 +0000 (UTC) --_454e2911-d7dc-43ac-9b7e-2453e6e1a9d7_ Content-Type: text/plain; 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Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--727251593 Subject: Re: Is this possible? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:48:29 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <6DFCFB85-2A82-4EBA-AFAD-B419F0C07698@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=mLjaIuxAVfMDew9XVH6/Nwp+J1HF/AfGS2Lt8NwtaoU= c=1 sm=0 a=XCOojii/DAuONnnIhMMOzw==:17 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=kpHFvfvXAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=QmfgCgfaHmL_zD6CWiAA:9 a=0ZTxfHF8cUuq-QxwkJslxdiT65UA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=YkFWQeq7zXBAPnpJyYUA:9 a=dgdCpO4cXxjWVRlz_iMA:7 a=V6q1rhxmIrA-vHlZkd-jxTMa2hkA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:48:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--727251593 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i used to have stuff like this happen with cheesy batteries. I don't = even know if the ax300g runs on batteries. before i got the voodoolab = pedal power plus i switched to Maha rechargables. Wonderful batteries, = last a long time, hold their charge till pretty much it's gone. They = don't slowly dwindle like some batteries do. Esp non Maha rechargables. = The dwindling thing drove me nuts for a while trying to figure it out. could also be a cheesed or fading power supply?=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Sep 15, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I have a strange problem with some of my gear and I thought I'd run > this by folks here to see if I can solve the mystery. >=20 > I have a Korg AX300G effects pedal that I love dearly but it seems to > behave quite strangely when playing for a while. It seems to me that > while I'm playing the volume begins to fluctuate. Not abruptly, but > slowly so half an hour in I feel like I can barely hear that chain of > effects even though the second chain that is coming from the same > guitar signal is just fine. What's strange is that it seems that the > volume will come in and out like this over the course of continuous > playing such that I'm not really sure what's happening. Is it > possible that a piece of gear could have volume problems like this or > should I be looking for some other culprit? >=20 > Confused as is often the case, >=20 > Kevin >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 --Apple-Mail-3--727251593 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii i = used to have stuff like this happen with cheesy batteries.  I don't = even know if the ax300g runs on batteries.  before i got the = voodoolab pedal power plus i switched to Maha rechargables. =  Wonderful batteries, last a long time, hold their charge till = pretty much it's gone.  They don't slowly dwindle like some = batteries do.  Esp non Maha rechargables.   The dwindling = thing drove me nuts for a while trying to figure it = out.

could also be a cheesed or fading power = supply? 

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
=









On Sep 15, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando = wrote:

I have a strange problem with some of my gear and I = thought I'd run
this by folks here to see if I can solve the = mystery.

I have a Korg AX300G effects pedal that I love dearly = but it seems to
behave quite strangely when playing for a while. =  It seems to me that
while I'm playing the volume begins to = fluctuate.  Not abruptly, but
slowly so half an hour in I feel = like I can barely hear that chain of
effects even though the second = chain that is coming from the same
guitar signal is just fine. =  What's strange is that it seems that the
volume will come in = and out like this over the course of continuous
playing such that I'm = not really sure what's happening.  Is it
possible that a piece = of gear could have volume problems like this or
should I be looking = for some other culprit?

Confused as is often the = case,

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously considered = yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal = ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana = Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
Video = http://www.vimeo.com/user8= 77640/videos


= --Apple-Mail-3--727251593-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 21:21:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BA0A3BE89; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1284672110; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=ICyEYoTPPch/rar0ykgRr4GuCeI=; b=nBSLrTdsav3U7XD2oLnbyYZcBzHzkqK9U2D1Exy7tpW9tuzNZslOh/VroEJi4/MF HTMarYvhAOLXXWHa9Ic+FgBrO2QoWhqdqrLLFTs9gRX+NVdtScqYHGXVCHZbTvYN; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=lnZurIC0cgRL2q4wgEcqv884vSgGS/8qrKCFfA+chpI= c=1 sm=0 a=J+kGEZleS27Ww0aOxkaLJQ==:17 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=kpHFvfvXAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=ayfOBm4FQ8XAmpwAUHkA:9 a=n8n9s3VTdXDM4zTKc-JyvAc5hEgA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=0ht2o8KT8FQhU_CUDxAA:9 a=4cKq9MgjtuXrnHf4QsAA:7 a=Y38m9rukOCZPyJBmF5AWqp2BWZ4A:4 a=emtTDZz8FtAA:10 a=J+kGEZleS27Ww0aOxkaLJQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000c01cb55e5$2bb0a620$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <6DFCFB85-2A82-4EBA-AFAD-B419F0C07698@glasswing.com> Subject: Re: Is this possible? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:21:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CB55C3.A4315030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100916-2, 09/16/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:21:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CB55C3.A4315030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you know Richard that sounds like a real possibility for mine also. No = battery running option but bad power supply might cause that. i am going = to dig it out and check it further before it joins my broken gear = sculpture i am going to build somwday! Thanks. J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: richard sales=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Is this possible? i used to have stuff like this happen with cheesy batteries. I don't = even know if the ax300g runs on batteries. before i got the voodoolab = pedal power plus i switched to Maha rechargables. Wonderful batteries, = last a long time, hold their charge till pretty much it's gone. They = don't slowly dwindle like some batteries do. Esp non Maha rechargables. = The dwindling thing drove me nuts for a while trying to figure it out. could also be a cheesed or fading power supply?=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Sep 15, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: I have a strange problem with some of my gear and I thought I'd run this by folks here to see if I can solve the mystery. I have a Korg AX300G effects pedal that I love dearly but it seems = to behave quite strangely when playing for a while. It seems to me = that while I'm playing the volume begins to fluctuate. Not abruptly, but slowly so half an hour in I feel like I can barely hear that chain = of effects even though the second chain that is coming from the same guitar signal is just fine. What's strange is that it seems that = the volume will come in and out like this over the course of continuous playing such that I'm not really sure what's happening. Is it possible that a piece of gear could have volume problems like this = or should I be looking for some other culprit? Confused as is often the case, Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to = have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CB55C3.A4315030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
you know Richard that sounds like a = real=20 possibility for mine also. No battery running option but bad = power=20 supply might cause that. i am going to dig it out and check it further = before it=20 joins my broken gear sculpture i am going to build somwday! = Thanks.
 
J
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 richard=20 sales
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, September 16, = 2010 4:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: Is this = possible?

i used to have stuff like this happen with cheesy = batteries.=20  I don't even know if the ax300g runs on batteries.  before = i got=20 the voodoolab pedal power plus i switched to Maha rechargables.=20  Wonderful batteries, last a long time, hold their charge till = pretty=20 much it's gone.  They don't slowly dwindle like some batteries = do.=20  Esp non Maha rechargables.   The dwindling thing drove me = nuts for=20 a while trying to figure it out.

could also be a cheesed or fading power supply? 

richard = sales
www.glasswing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com


On Sep 15, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:
I have a strange problem with some of my gear and I thought I'd = run
this by folks here to see if I can solve the = mystery.

I have a=20 Korg AX300G effects pedal that I love dearly but it seems = to
behave quite=20 strangely when playing for a while.  It seems to me = that
while I'm=20 playing the volume begins to fluctuate.  Not abruptly, = but
slowly so=20 half an hour in I feel like I can barely hear that chain = of
effects even=20 though the second chain that is coming from the same
guitar = signal is=20 just fine.  What's strange is that it seems that the
volume = will=20 come in and out like this over the course of continuous
playing = such that=20 I'm not really sure what's happening.  Is it
possible that a = piece=20 of gear could have volume problems like this or
should I be = looking for=20 some other culprit?

Confused as is often the=20 case,

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously considered = yourself=20 to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance = which is=20 the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi=20 (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
Video = http://www.vimeo.com/user= 877640/videos


------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CB55C3.A4315030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 21:28:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B0D53BE8C; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:28:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rDORQCrV6jx3SqMvCfkZhhKT/EXIUOngERx3c+3+mLQ=; b=CWklrc/lif2TzYL6ir6d+0HS2Ug8x03uF3VCXFMJt6Pcief6KwUgkS4q1xwWj2ZP+W 4Cg5iq9yhw1pmkOUSEkiry6Y2TEGJvlnZuxbKtlCP8flnN5ms1kA154hG1U+dVCVbd0p gdogXwKGxW8w0zVv96w5t/FtI+GxjCgzcHUqw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CY1SpfEJoPFicjZmxDK+rTT+euW8qRR1UzWFkCe0ZG9LYXSOsACAHaBu2Idp5t/Isd r02AJB0Iubv6AqS9SFJnVLS0NuRjX3En6BDnt55AFfAxUOEYamzFPPX8P3uDCUuBx5te P+jYE9CXhZY4ISwcF8a4dVJYcNdes1ddhTHoA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000c01cb55e5$2bb0a620$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> References: <6DFCFB85-2A82-4EBA-AFAD-B419F0C07698@glasswing.com> <000c01cb55e5$2bb0a620$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:28:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is this possible? From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:28:24 +0000 (UTC) How would one go about testing a power supply for something like this? As far as I can tell, the sound doesn't degrade, it just gets quieter. As least its good to know things like this are remotely possible and its not just a case of my tenuous grip on consensual reality getting slippier. Kevin On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > you know Richard that sounds like a real possibility for mine also.=A0No > battery running option but=A0bad power supply might cause that. i am goin= g to > dig it out and check it further before it joins my broken gear sculpture = i > am going to build somwday! Thanks. > > J > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: richard sales > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: Is this possible? > i used to have stuff like this happen with cheesy batteries. =A0I don't e= ven > know if the ax300g runs on batteries. =A0before i got the voodoolab pedal > power plus i switched to Maha rechargables. =A0Wonderful batteries, last = a > long time, hold their charge till pretty much it's gone. =A0They don't sl= owly > dwindle like some batteries do. =A0Esp non Maha rechargables. =A0 The dwi= ndling > thing drove me nuts for a while trying to figure it out. > could also be a cheesed or fading power supply? > > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > I have a strange problem with some of my gear and I thought I'd run > this by folks here to see if I can solve the mystery. > > I have a Korg AX300G effects pedal that I love dearly but it seems to > behave quite strangely when playing for a while. =A0It seems to me that > while I'm playing the volume begins to fluctuate. =A0Not abruptly, but > slowly so half an hour in I feel like I can barely hear that chain of > effects even though the second chain that is coming from the same > guitar signal is just fine. =A0What's strange is that it seems that the > volume will come in and out like this over the course of continuous > playing such that I'm not really sure what's happening. =A0Is it > possible that a piece of gear could have volume problems like this or > should I be looking for some other culprit? > > Confused as is often the case, > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 22:09:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C54D3BE88; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=YzZmxJR4rN2s2UB7sO56CvRHkNe/Fy6dDrjadTpy1QU=; b=UFu1wyBxFO8mD39mtx2hVK6AdQA2hmDyPCkNxIzAmajgvju4Ygd/g/e2Gmc3FGogXF GXJgZqIBdTEJSYl67gs25LxKkonR6kJdwLCxDD8hojyGyuWnvKuOm4nwLoehcwlemHkr bC7DeHTlE2JBahOUqrZoDG8VrOny8DX0xyNXk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=O1hXL2W5y0KwxvI5swn+0UT9bPAa20rvu9hgKL5H7PpZotQYEVqGLcq3c0zzlNDEsn 1xvR6bpwaAAprRydvIVwuE+RN+brZmXFBZwY1StNyVLo4IQ9ZoAJTGHjpH5hD4kOaEcH k38kG3ZBwpRR4mHQCkYmH0p5JGdP/A1NZQIpE= Message-Id: <99C2E7C9-1115-4D40-8370-448161D9F3B2@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Is this possible? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:09:18 -0700 References: <6DFCFB85-2A82-4EBA-AFAD-B419F0C07698@glasswing.com> <000c01cb55e5$2bb0a620$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:09:29 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 16, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > How would one go about testing a power supply for something like this? > As far as I can tell, the sound doesn't degrade, it just gets > quieter. > > As least its good to know things like this are remotely possible and > its not just a case of my tenuous grip on consensual reality getting > slippier. Not quite the same issue but it was solved by changing the AC adapter (assuming your equipment uses one): http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080729103750AAFS0t5 regards BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 22:30:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DBC83BE8D; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1284676254; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=amtW79CsSNotXtnSTSKdf1mvgbE=; b=GukbBLO9zo0KMzsuvIombDBbbz2EZZlQ9Q6PounKM81tTNdc3UND7HdrqB4iZ6M4 6Ix1q39Lgbhz7qCgyn+w2METsz9uLc8usCCtWdbZZQ72ioOnW2QgvZmFJOAfwv2v; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=lnZurIC0cgRL2q4wgEcqv884vSgGS/8qrKCFfA+chpI= c=1 sm=0 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=J+kGEZleS27Ww0aOxkaLJQ==:17 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=lU2Iy8lpcV4qtVL1ZAQA:9 a=Dil_c27yqD54m7k9dmiNdU38YoUA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=J+kGEZleS27Ww0aOxkaLJQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000601cb55ee$d1b4de20$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <6DFCFB85-2A82-4EBA-AFAD-B419F0C07698@glasswing.com> <000c01cb55e5$2bb0a620$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <99C2E7C9-1115-4D40-8370-448161D9F3B2@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Is this possible? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:30:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100916-2, 09/16/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <23bieC.A.XbH.eqpkMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Also found this, no word if he tried what they suggested, replace power supply but this is what mine did also then it began shutting off the sound fully. Digging it out now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIUVuwdkRbQ J ----- Original Message ----- From: "RP Collier" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Is this possible? > > On Sep 16, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > >> How would one go about testing a power supply for something like this? >> As far as I can tell, the sound doesn't degrade, it just gets >> quieter. >> >> As least its good to know things like this are remotely possible and >> its not just a case of my tenuous grip on consensual reality getting >> slippier. > > > Not quite the same issue but it was solved by changing the AC adapter > (assuming your equipment uses one): > > http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080729103750AAFS0t5 > > > regards > > BobC > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 22:36:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F36A3BE8A; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 488 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:36:23 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=messagingengine.com; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=Nc4LXhg8QvI+1OlTIKYL2b2KfoE=; b=M0h5np4u29baTH1ROj9vrhPQKjhZvBHuxP9MhxWsOTGqySThoK1iN6QkUtxdqam0oeo5J3oKO2cCmfhbkFKPY7HMei0owHtw67R5QEH86pmFd1yY8SAZ2E55bCXkLOpYlMuChOpvsGnrnB18kk23grGS4qeuWrfpZCgT1ynvG5Y= X-Sasl-enc: Y8fWQb7pa9KQPeKD1jZXViJSYCbW0sd6yjI/4kVSRwuB 1284676094 Message-ID: <4C9299F8.2010403@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:28:08 -0700 From: Bob Campbell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight Subject: Gordius LG v1 for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:36:23 +0000 (UTC) for sale: Gordius Little Giant - original version, 3 years old, mint condition. Never got around to using it. All yours for $300 USD + shipping from Seattle rcampbell@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 16 23:05:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 434703BE8B; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:05:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1284678328; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=e4Vvh4cBqN9XYAeS2dc34f16tb8=; b=ZyvN2oz+Bm/Gusu6IB6OA26DfEOJG8WHdIv9egUos+TDLO/iMqhFOWD4GN/qGghF XCi42rJtQFpdURFIGAKQAvDkfLhgHaLY4OHRCbzpygqt7/ElgYxmrC5H67pk0xSf; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=GBxxwS/rykgI42vT86aygWssjVt3jFGxCHh+WP4jERw= c=1 sm=0 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=J+kGEZleS27Ww0aOxkaLJQ==:17 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=Kc4trRk_0ZiJ_k9I9CwA:9 a=VVWYRR7OYO6SDzmjLN7B8GYsTQ4A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=J+kGEZleS27Ww0aOxkaLJQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000c01cb55f3$a5f19d00$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <6DFCFB85-2A82-4EBA-AFAD-B419F0C07698@glasswing.com> <000c01cb55e5$2bb0a620$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <99C2E7C9-1115-4D40-8370-448161D9F3B2@gmail.com> <000601cb55ee$d1b4de20$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Subject: Re: Is this possible? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:05:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100916-2, 09/16/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:05:29 +0000 (UTC) my AX3000G is running now for 20 min, I replaced the Korg 9v 600 ma adaptor with a spare 1Spot 9v 1700ma. I will leave it going with a loop going and report back in a couple of hours. J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Duke" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 6:30 PM Subject: Re: Is this possible? > Also found this, no word if he tried what they suggested, replace power > supply but this is what mine did also then it began shutting off the sound > fully. Digging it out now. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIUVuwdkRbQ > > J > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RP Collier" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: Is this possible? > > >> >> On Sep 16, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >> >>> How would one go about testing a power supply for something like this? >>> As far as I can tell, the sound doesn't degrade, it just gets >>> quieter. >>> >>> As least its good to know things like this are remotely possible and >>> its not just a case of my tenuous grip on consensual reality getting >>> slippier. >> >> >> Not quite the same issue but it was solved by changing the AC adapter >> (assuming your equipment uses one): >> >> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080729103750AAFS0t5 >> >> >> regards >> >> BobC >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 00:46:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB3E03BE8D; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C92BA5F.3040909@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:46:23 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:46:27 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Marakata" by Modulator ESP. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#sep You will also hear music from The Tangent Project who will play at the Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, October 10, 8 pm at the Nazareth Center for the Arts. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 01:32:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09E583BE8B; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1284687154; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=SSjbysBdOeXXvn/jSrQSWsyzMA4=; b=PHEj7ArvblE3V90wcHfCTaobonBSvBlUq4HqgQQeHshbsNbthbRtwf0m6mj6ZzKT BjAd81sdZswppsazaDBkc9O4WTSboIn4C1Mcd6O/ebq7oacTTGOk39MZXX8LhuuT; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=lnZurIC0cgRL2q4wgEcqv884vSgGS/8qrKCFfA+chpI= c=1 sm=0 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=A1gou2X6JyeXeMPhwk690A==:17 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=zzoB_MZP8P0vI1tFYk8A:9 a=_zLJ4DWZDuQP5aVkewP-lMOmmZ4A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=A1gou2X6JyeXeMPhwk690A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000401cb5608$3166f830$1a793447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <6DFCFB85-2A82-4EBA-AFAD-B419F0C07698@glasswing.com> <000c01cb55e5$2bb0a620$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <99C2E7C9-1115-4D40-8370-448161D9F3B2@gmail.com> <000601cb55ee$d1b4de20$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <000c01cb55f3$a5f19d00$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Subject: Re: Is this possible? Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:32:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100916-3, 09/16/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <2P2-UB.A._6C.yUskMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Now two hours and it's showing no problems at all with the new power supply. It will be nice to have this back in my arsenal! Knock on wood of course but it looks hopefull that this did the trick. J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Duke" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:05 PM Subject: Re: Is this possible? > my AX3000G is running now for 20 min, I replaced the Korg 9v 600 ma > adaptor with a spare 1Spot 9v 1700ma. I will leave it going with a loop > going and report back in a couple of hours. > > J > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Duke" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: Is this possible? > > >> Also found this, no word if he tried what they suggested, replace power >> supply but this is what mine did also then it began shutting off the >> sound fully. Digging it out now. >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIUVuwdkRbQ >> >> J >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RP Collier" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 6:09 PM >> Subject: Re: Is this possible? >> >> >>> >>> On Sep 16, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >>> >>>> How would one go about testing a power supply for something like this? >>>> As far as I can tell, the sound doesn't degrade, it just gets >>>> quieter. >>>> >>>> As least its good to know things like this are remotely possible and >>>> its not just a case of my tenuous grip on consensual reality getting >>>> slippier. >>> >>> >>> Not quite the same issue but it was solved by changing the AC adapter >>> (assuming your equipment uses one): >>> >>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080729103750AAFS0t5 >>> >>> >>> regards >>> >>> BobC >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 01:45:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3AF03BE8B; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bJK2j9R8MHH3f6rC8t7LI5PG/GWRLgiCe+nZq5NFfsg=; b=D6jR4YTuW2A2quqwiB8nwzbQKYEhd7wIzJTDJ1ypPwVmrzmi5t5Mqr+cR4znI7q4ij 63ADir/H1xNEfx7IL3+KOaW2InDcv5r6SaIT+fcO7L9w08wpXKoEgBQuKuStqPVQF+WC u+cp+crTeO1UAmmlXeQFEc2VEJkBxMnSqy4Nc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ksdg1C639kibadZruEbqZmY0n+YBuL7Ibu8078WHEzya16DdrSlp9PKGvJQA92cIy0 U4EkuMCxJEUzCdpsrF+X3aU+ztefHONpvqZlHz63mYvIUZbFrR8oS2L6bhdcJIbAXk6E Z18WLDzx0S8elDdGVUEjOfgp/1OV4aeL8ndbA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000401cb5608$3166f830$1a793447@tbl01fcf9be917> References: <6DFCFB85-2A82-4EBA-AFAD-B419F0C07698@glasswing.com> <000c01cb55e5$2bb0a620$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <99C2E7C9-1115-4D40-8370-448161D9F3B2@gmail.com> <000601cb55ee$d1b4de20$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <000c01cb55f3$a5f19d00$ac7d3447@tbl01fcf9be917> <000401cb5608$3166f830$1a793447@tbl01fcf9be917> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:45:47 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is this possible? From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:45:48 +0000 (UTC) I'll give it a try and see if it solves the mysterious drifting volume prob= lem. It would be great if it were this simple. K On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Now two hours and it's showing no problems at all with the new power supp= ly. > It will be nice to have this back in my arsenal! Knock on wood of course = but > it looks hopefull that this did the trick. > > J > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Duke" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:05 PM > Subject: Re: Is this possible? > > >> my AX3000G is running now for 20 min, I replaced the Korg 9v 600 ma >> adaptor with a spare 1Spot 9v 1700ma. I will leave it going with a loop >> going and report back in a couple of hours. >> >> J >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Duke" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 6:30 PM >> Subject: Re: Is this possible? >> >> >>> Also found this, no word if he tried what they suggested, replace power >>> supply but this is what mine did also then it began shutting off the so= und >>> fully. Digging it out now. >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMIUVuwdkRbQ >>> >>> J >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RP Collier" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 6:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: Is this possible? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 16, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >>>> >>>>> How would one go about testing a power supply for something like this= ? >>>>> As far as I can tell, the sound doesn't degrade, it just gets >>>>> quieter. >>>>> >>>>> As least its good to know things like this are remotely possible and >>>>> its not just a case of my tenuous grip on consensual reality getting >>>>> slippier. >>>> >>>> >>>> Not quite the same issue but it was solved by changing the AC adapter >>>> (assuming your equipment uses one): >>>> >>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=3D20080729103750AAFS0t5 >>>> >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> BobC >>>> >>> >> > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 04:50:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 723F23BE89; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 04:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3T9AzNdAl44ZOPxTvMqatmIc9wLhzpuD+2mgFf/tN2o=; b=OgVoK2n4/cvYWH1jYrQyLp4cxFFFGOvfNIwrxpiOnGktRdd/4DwB71liOT2Ktq0Fcq EWG7H+DKOSw814Q6jQKUAYxyuA/uv8HXNLLFVj0VSiTdFhEpV0Y9egS++t4CV4fu1CmY tptGyZcg/bDwvn4afQQiQw2a/t1Bw1UCxltrc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=iyiK9Dmnz/YEf5gex1FMbeS0EX1C3i3Gwk/I1IlSmv9arPdf6+rqsu0U/IE+uuKNZ+ r1C9Ovw19TpT6V3ApDSQRzgZCvl+fgSLddxg0yb9yo3hJiQEdku5WizufJl27lgoPqvh gZLAG44+4d4O88utI3+2DnxqX7ySNIIjyVtXM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:50:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: MIDI sync with Time Signature Retention From: Matt Walsh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64612a278434904906d4cca Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 04:50:16 +0000 (UTC) --0016e64612a278434904906d4cca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone-- I'm somewhat new to audio looping. I have been doing a form of looping by building up tracks with my Akai MPC60 and sampler. I am thinking about syncing some audio loops into the mix, as it were. So I am thinking of getting a real-deal audio looper. It will need to slave to to the Akai, and it will need to be a piece of hardware. Thing is, it will not only need to slave tempo, but will need to slave time signature as well. I'm not opposed to having to load a patch that has this data in it, if need be. But it definitely needs to respond to play/stop commands and stay in sync with the MPC. Thoughts? Thanks in advance! Matt W --0016e64612a278434904906d4cca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone--

I'm somewhat new to audio looping. I have been doi= ng a form of looping by building up tracks with my Akai MPC60 and sampler. = I am thinking about syncing some audio loops into the mix, as it were.

So I am thinking of getting a real-deal audio looper. It will need to s= lave to to the Akai, and it will need to be a piece of hardware. Thing is, = it will not only need to slave tempo, but will need to slave time signature= as well. I'm not opposed to having to load a patch that has this data = in it, if need be. But it definitely needs to respond to play/stop commands= and stay in sync with the MPC.

Thoughts?

Thanks in advance!
Matt W


--0016e64612a278434904906d4cca-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 05:45:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB3113BE8C; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <031a01cb562b$f2c01c50$6400a8c0@vulcan> From: "d.nix" To: References: Subject: Re: MIDI sync with Time Signature Retention Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:48:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:45:28 +0000 (UTC) I'm far from an expert, but I dont believe there is any way to indicate time signature in midi or any other system... you can send and recieve sync pulses that might represent some lowest common denominator concerning bmp or some such, but... Maybe if you can explain why you believe you need to communicate time signature someone can give you a better idea of whats possible and how other deal with similar issues... > So I am thinking of getting a real-deal audio looper. It will need to slave > to to the Akai, and it will need to be a piece of hardware. Thing is, it > will not only need to slave tempo, but will need to slave time signature as > well. I'm not opposed to having to load a patch that has this data in it, if > need be. But it definitely needs to respond to play/stop commands and stay > in sync with the MPC. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 05:53:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F9E13BE8A; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:53:47 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dustbunnies Subject: Re: MIDI sync with Time Signature Retention Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:53:53 +0000 (UTC) At 12:50 AM -0400 9/17/10, Matt Walsh wrote: > >I'm somewhat new to audio looping. I have been doing a form of >looping by building up tracks with my Akai MPC60 and sampler. I am >thinking about syncing some audio loops into the mix, as it were. > >So I am thinking of getting a real-deal audio looper. It will need >to slave to to the Akai, and it will need to be a piece of hardware. >Thing is, it will not only need to slave tempo, but will need to >slave time signature as well. I'm not opposed to having to load a >patch that has this data in it, if need be. But it definitely needs >to respond to play/stop commands and stay in sync with the MPC. > >Thoughts? You may be out of luck as far as hardware goes, since I believe that almost all hardware units respond to Midi Clock Sync and MMC (Midi Machine Control) commands. IIRC, Time Signature is a rather esoteric specification buried in MTC (Midi Time Code), which there is little reason for audio loopers to implement. (Even back when I did a lot of soundtrack and post-production work, we never bothered with that function. In fact, I'd forgotten it existed until I just did a search) MTC is mainly useful when syncing to SMPTE. In most setups, you'd want to be able to shuttle to different parts of a composition and have all the instruments immediately know which section of the score at which they should begin. Since most loopers merely record an audio loop then replay it over and over (yes, I know I'm oversimplifying here guys) there's little advantage to MTC over Clock Sync + MMC, so most manufacturers don't bother with it. In fact, I can't think of any hardware loopers at all that support it off the top of my head. I'm curious, though, why this is a requirement? Are you going to be recording a loop in realtime and then suddenly changing its time signature? If so, then there are perhaps some other functions that might assist you with doing that rather than using the MTC spec. For instance, changing 4/4 to 3/4 would be rather easy by simply truncating the loop. 4/4 to 7/4 would be a 2x multiply, then a quick truncate from 8 beats to 7. Many other time signature changes are going to be very difficult with recorded audio data, however. But, then again, merely changing the time signature via MTC spec isn't going to do any deep editing of the lines either. If you can give us some idea why you need this over just standard Clock + MMC, maybe we can help with a more comprehensive answer. FWIW, a few hardware loopers I know if that support Clock are the Looperlative, EDP, and Repeater. Probably a couple more I'm forgetting too. --m. -- _____ "beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a halt beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 07:34:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46A343BE8B; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Za62k94QeVLjo8ShyAgQA7mZf2QjOTvsTVygp6bSaP4=; b=aad9xW/2dtjUiz5dH8gO94/nl2IRBR68n0y3D1jiW68SywYitb4QAQ77FBxHdApg2H q/gZCuqhForOGD+FAygtF04WuFUA+AACcZoQFTvg2i9YOJ917a2Nt/CH5V8Jeq/t1Z1s p2BadEzPs0Km+Qtyb3tjyINEgZulxtHNSa7cg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=j/jbjhfVtaCb24DxKvI7lkFlLfA5IVfDAToyu8qeDdDxADSWv3DOnwvPpH102jAn// mD8qvQY4ppd/n9APNdsLSiCw0ckfXrM9xhxhSYkiiQhFub+DlL/90m0XP9o9CTiV3kxW 3DtwMLQ2SpYJPgjcg4WAGwEOtXrpQRAcDhmOM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:33:46 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hbowDoLRY_5F0f3TZiuCYyntre4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Electron Octatrack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ed12c6d416f04906f96a5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:34:07 +0000 (UTC) --0016364ed12c6d416f04906f96a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This looks VERY VERY interesting!! I think Im gonna have to get me one of them!!! INFACT... Anyone want to buy a Repeater? Serious... Im guessing I wont be able to give it away but... I gotta try!!! Offers?? Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016364ed12c6d416f04906f96a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This looks VERY VERY interesting!! I think Im gonna have to get me one of t= hem!!!

INFACT... Anyone want to buy a Repeater? Serious... Im guessi= ng I wont be able to give it away but... I gotta try!!!

Offers??


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--0016364ed12c6d416f04906f96a5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 08:44:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FAD43BE89; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 496608074/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.184.147/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.184.147 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqcBAPLGkkxV0riT/2dsb2JhbAAHlCnQGoVBBI0jIA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,381,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="496608074" Message-ID: <4C932A52.1000901@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:44:02 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electron Octatrack References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Anders Bergdahl wrote: > Some new info on their site, iit looks like a intresting hybrid between > a looper, sequencer and sampler that can also mangle the loops... > http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack?section=faq > Reflections?? Let's not get carried away here:- Caveat no.1 "your captured loops will immediately be time stretched to the BPM of the Octatrack." Can that feature be switched off? Caveat no.2 "5. Guitarists and multi-instrumentalists looking for the best looper option around?" anyone who claims "the best looper" doesn't know what a stupid comment that is. Caveat no.3 Isn't the favoured repeater trick the one where the pitch and tempo change together, aka varispeed? There's no mention of that. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 09:16:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D1203BE87; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 327 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:16:07 UTC Message-ID: <1894712.2329591284714638031.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:10:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Massimo Liverani Reply-To: Massimo Liverani To: Subject: Y2KX FEST ACCOMODATION MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_201936_25900133.1284714638031" X-SenderIP: 85.47.237.138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:16:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_201936_25900133.1284714638031 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to evrbdy loopers! Maybe a litte O.T. but in the vision of this festival and to help Rick's organization overhelmed by so many people arriving is someone staying in S. Cruz in those days interested to share a cheap hotel or motel room with me? I came from Italy on 12-10, i'm 49... i'm a quiet man and i don't snore :-) write to my private e-mail: Massimo Liverani - mas.liv@libero.it Thank you. greetings from Florence! ------=_Part_201936_25900133.1284714638031 Content-Type: text/html;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hello to evrbdy loopers! Maybe a litte O.T. but in the vision of this festival and to help

Rick's organization overhelmed by so many people arriving

is someone staying in S. Cruz in those days interested to share a cheap hotel

or motel room with me? 

I came from Italy on 12-10, i'm 49... i'm a quiet man and i don't snore :-)

write to my private e-mail:

Massimo Liverani - mas.liv@libero.it

Thank you.


greetings from Florence!

------=_Part_201936_25900133.1284714638031-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 09:17:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 597213BE8C; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=D1Fg0oiJEtoCf+bPUGMlVwH/49fiJsnnRWCzhHeE6Cw=; b=CCJNNDs0M4JZt1EEOCA5tahc6YON8ag8hvY7+1VXRRxFFS1X+IrM/V8L0JDwSA/kn/ 53zWy19fP9iMO6lqgiRkzN9CWEEpLc6+PQhLXsr7wivTEafGP9e4WRx3D8oW+Fp2IJjF 3D28Hi7qzJLD9KtdTBa9RkoQdOuHiGBPgZGrw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=ak0d7I3zFADQFlGIoav+E8KuMNGdaiW1JYlKBxbWhIHlds+mR8saABuXF4s6RCiDrf vSYmv66lxt7c2+RseBkLXBeJu2dTg88+73/NGvi+EwSgxNwpV/h5BMDIx78mRMl6DBkc udxLhRyOJ0YTuZan22CbNR/KBCTt3oW+rVEzM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C932A52.1000901@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C932A52.1000901@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:16:26 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hnfLqmwmuBb1_j6jSSRFepT_RKg Message-ID: Subject: Re: Electron Octatrack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000feaf20c819f730204907105c3 Resent-Message-ID: <4V3jHC.A.U3C.mIzkMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:17:26 +0000 (UTC) --000feaf20c819f730204907105c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Andy, dont be such a party pooper! "your captured loops will immediately be time stretched to the BPM of the Octatrack." > > Can that feature be switched off? > > this is the same as repeater, and you cant switch that off... its a loop, it stretches to fit the bpm... thats what I took that to mean... > > Caveat no.2 > > "5. Guitarists and multi-instrumentalists looking for the best looper > option around?" > > anyone who claims "the best looper" doesn't know what a stupid comment that > is. > ha ha I agree.. pretty risky, but I do LOVE the products from them, they are a great company, and to dare to make such a claim, is at least a challenge > > > Caveat no.3 > Isn't the favoured repeater trick the one where the pitch and tempo change > together, aka varispeed? There's no mention of that. > Thats a crap repeater gimmick yes... who uses that more than once? Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --000feaf20c819f730204907105c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Andy,=A0 dont be such a party pooper!

"your captured loops = will immediately be time stretched to the BPM of the Octatrack."

Can that feature be switched off?


this is the same as repeater, and you cant switch= that off...=A0 its a loop, it stretches to fit the bpm... thats what I too= k that to mean...

Caveat no.2

"5. Guitarists and multi-instrumentalists looking for the best looper = option around?"

anyone who claims "the best looper" doesn't know what a stupi= d comment that is.

ha ha I agree.. pretty risky, b= ut I do LOVE the products from them, they are a great company, and to dare = to make such a claim, is at least a challenge
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Caveat no.3
Isn't the favoured repeater trick the one where the pitch and tempo cha= nge
together, aka varispeed? There's no mention of that.

Thats=A0 a crap repeater gimmick yes... who uses that more than once= ?

Mark
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--000feaf20c819f730204907105c3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 10:20:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3019A3BE89; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C9340E1.8060505@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 03:20:17 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Introducing Luis Prado, a looper from Chile Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1LtfUB.A.T3D.qD0kMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:20:26 +0000 (UTC) I wanted to welcome Luis Prado to our community. Luis wrote me with inquiries about the looping festival but will be unable to attend this year's festival. He's from Chile but lives in Italy (and sometimes in India). I told him about L.D. and he just subscribed to the daily digest. Welcome, Luis!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 10:24:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13F373BE8B; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QQb9I9LMonmcSClVX6baqidMbUqv2AGv/G2TLo94b2I=; b=FM8RVLIX5qsWG0Bw75fsaCPRA26/jnrKcQDZCrqOkx4eXudrwclj+HlokIhHzN8h/J 4ZvmRNs2qoCJO+SeXtZw3cqw+7AXvE/a41Wa3uFLG4DEmZQFJbOpt4PGP97Yw3SN77WM haNLpU4c92CC2OpudbdfnjAm9YTs38cRWCnNA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=SOEPaZPn2upE63OoUOuvYSwxvYcOa8MRJkFW9UpImYPkMCIf0YOsqo8ZDmkCa4HDmx YOMsuUrmABqhmIIOEqn58lW9TvRYyq2Jzbwr5YpSU6Bc+cC0iiyt3A8OPHcKiBpG74jI Ry7KTn/Yafyng8cpqqRY6Cn9u0nDk8RFnxaQc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C932A52.1000901@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C932A52.1000901@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:24:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Electron Octatrack From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:24:09 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:44 AM, andy butler wrote: > > "5. Guitarists and multi-instrumentalists looking for the best looper option > around?" > > anyone who claims "the best looper" doesn't know what a stupid comment that > is. Andy, I dig your witty misanthropical attitude! :-) Sometimes the vibe on this list seems just a bit over enthusiastic towards new products that doesn't even exist yet. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 11:01:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63BEF3BE8B; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=34FuDQsdK9uNSlm+6urH+LC7tiU7npVN0z57cXdzB0E=; b=L90if2fEyWr4RZa56RcgbfKocHBn6pvDbjH6YrsjRHwjwVY60j50T143M39EhEEUE4 XDg1UbGgiyfBGb1Vcn9oqis62RupMsMgIzyzwZ/QUTON3BOiUK1ChzbrTvX7QEkXj+C7 teYeTLdwyfl37SrBdLamMrEYPs9rALeafXtpc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=oO3djESN9tkmzH7MhJHkDlzxdu5H4Xt3m6THs3oh0w6J1qR3dQJr8VsNLUx2Ios2kD geJ7O54ID4tQYb6DUJ3b+qUDhWNqcaIlonsnFijYaTvM7pqWOWDgozKPUBEhspFDTjEL z8c3TCySggW7xq2z6wZKgjv8OtgsC5Oqs8FRQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:00:59 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: FCB1010 from 220 to 115 From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163623ad4e523d400490727a9e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:01:00 +0000 (UTC) --00163623ad4e523d400490727a9e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi gang, has anyone taken their fcb1010 from europe to the U.S.?i take it i have to change the fuse, since i dont see a power selector anywhere on it, where did you get the fuse and can you find it anywhere overthere like Radio Shack or Home Depot? thanx Luis --00163623ad4e523d400490727a9e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi gang,
has anyone taken their fcb1010 from europe to the U.S.?i take it i have to change the fuse, since i dont see a power selector anywhere on it, where did you get the fuse and can you find it anywhere overthere like Radio Shack or Home Depot?
thanx
Luis
--00163623ad4e523d400490727a9e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 11:19:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 609163BE8D; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xe3yC0S0OtmrCLLSMfWiqNACF6jY/s8WZV+u2/CtE74=; b=VQRx4DU9YD6NKprpCH+X2O8eKWcyAg/mm8cnU8sqNlqO9y+vgHMd8JZoerexyU4TNC hnLTCsdgpU6OTZFL++RNwgbTqMi08io12XFH9plePB51pAPCRPZ/PmoO1EyJDF8wxgro eerdErlvEr8Io3B9ZB068nYr01ahjAhFMVdVM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=F7lxgDTE3DchZ8jCaSGBXh025lcP0jBbBIlRwtKcicQ+uOja/avuXz+GVxWpqIvv3P 2GCW4ANkUlU1Lx6QtTo1Vu72gAQRn/K4iLpg0OupZatGvtoyo5oOeD6xOKpAu5t9Kw7r LF3hkeH3WAZRdoVj1BK3z5hoxOVYWstSD2h7I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:19:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Settling with the Gordius MIDI foot pedalboard From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <2ddDr.A.Y5E.S70kMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Since I've had my new MIDI control pedalboard Gordius Little Giant 2 for a while now and found my ways around it I think I should post a write-up, in case someone else is wondering about this piece of gear. After wearing out three Behringer FCB1010 boards in the last ten years I realized that the LG2 will be cheaper if I am going to use it for more than three years, the normal life span of an FCB1010. Not only cheaper in the long run but also smaller, lighter and more portable. And of course a lot deeper and more powerful. Related to the FCB the LG2 offers two (or four) more switches per bank, if adding external switches to the 10 switches on the board. There are four jacks for externals and you can configure them as you want regarding number of external switches vs expression pedals. I have settled with using two extra switches and two expression pedals (I heard Andy Butler runs his LG set up for 4 expression pedals). Anyway, I use those two extra switches for scrolling up or down my pre looper audio effect patch list while dedicating the banks for only looping commands. The LG2 has room for 250 banks (FCB limited to 10) but I only use 8 and will try to keep it that tiny. For each bank you can define any combination of MIDI events that shall be sent out by any of the ten switches. You can also redefine the expression pedal's to use them for a specific purpose within one particular bank - or even within one particular preset/switch. The architecture of the Gordius builds on three levels: Patches, Presets and Banks. A Patch is where you define MIDI events to be sent out. A Preset can me any combination of patches and you may name them to show up on the Gordius display (like "Granular Lobotomy #3"). A Bank is were you assign presets to the physical switches on the Little Giant. Banks may also be named to show up in the display (like "Bank Of Songbuilding") A cool thing is that you can create more of them all than you actually assign to be used in the banks you perform with, and this makes room for experimenting and developing exciting setups "on the side". If you control gear that doesn't let you scale a continuous control curve this feature is offered by the LG2. I think a lot of loopists may benefit from that. Personally I prefer to do scaling in the receiving end because I often hook up a lot of processors to the same expression pedal curve and each process may need its own interpretation of the CC# sent out by the LG2. This is possible because all my processing and looping are done inside a laptop and the Mainstage 2 software offers such configurable scaling on the target end of live control. But back when I used boxes like EDP, Repeater, Akai MFC42 and Lexicon I would have loved the output scaling offered by Gordius! Well, that's about it as far as I'm concerned. Just like the case is with the Mobius looper I tend to use very little of the powerful features built into the Gordius Little Giant 2. My concern is rather to keep it small, portable and optimally playable when improvising music in an experimental context... But looking into what the LG2 offers I can imagine it would be totally awesome for all those guitar players that play with Ozzy and them alike... I mean boys with lotsa stacks 'n racks that gotta be tamed to behave within a gig playlist for a planned show. It seems the LG2 is so deep that you may set up whatever show you plan to put on, it's just a question of putting enough time into the preparations. For a pro tour that would be perfect. One should definitely use the USB cable and the Windows software to set up the pedalboard. A Mac OS version of the editor is planned, but I would advice Mac musicians to dedicate 5 GB drive space for a Bootcamp partition with Windows only to run the Gordius Control Center editor application. For all the Gordius deepness I have not covered here, check out the manual at http://www.gordius.be/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 11:23:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 659AB3BE8C; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:23:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=IaYxr+JLx3XStjVLjS5wBzB54tw5/BjfyN0VxJzmVQw=; b=xaBnjbQWvsOuqH8jgQWoDqaJsSEOrf4lnHNxZaZwChixHG2Vm4GbOYfpv8Ol9Aep1m N5I15QOtKCHHQcMZGXcv24w8HCxoPwD2R2n8K+z9uT7cWsOVd34UvGs9aGNwcQhzWuQs kkjKuaGyVi4au8B5ivzOUFMDvz0nPyRddhJBc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=XurIIIBoioRSBrVBZCXswFqoEkZ3sU5moWje3BTVPBvj0yEszpE560XUy7sjqKVvij WVWoHYyNrWBFDoD0uTNwakqSzDI6IbkPhEf5ulsYt/hxM4ayOGID3BZXeCQXtYVNOglX hz9V3hUIwAWewet+p0EEQKmzTONTz7dlPNkRY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:23:45 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCB1010 from 220 to 115 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:23:46 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > has anyone taken their fcb1010 from europe to the U.S.?i take it i have to > change the fuse, since i dont see a power selector anywhere on it, where did > you get the fuse and can you find it anywhere overthere like Radio Shack or > Home Depot? Yes, I've used European FCB's twice in the US. You have to change the fuse and also put back the slide upside down to make the pedal happy with the 110 volt power. It is described well in the manual and you can buy the needed US fuse in any radio or hi-fi store here in Europe. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 11:43:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9547C3BE89; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C93545F.3060501@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 04:43:27 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Dissing the Repeater's Varispeed function Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:43:34 +0000 (UTC) This exchange occurred: "Caveat no.3 Isn't the favoured repeater trick the one where the pitch and tempo change together, aka varispeed? There's no mention of that." reply: "Thats a crap repeater gimmick yes... who uses that more than once?" Errrrrr, me!!!!!! I love that the Repeater can make a found musical object become a three octave ranged chromatic instrument. It's allowed me to make music that no other technology that has existed has allowed me to do in real time. I can gong a brass candy dish with my thumb and rhythmically comb filter the frequencies with my mouth...............capture that as a loop and then play it, harmonically, with the wind, drum or keyboards midi controller. To me, it was the one huge redeeming facet of the Repeater. Unfortunately, mine is ill and I haven't gotten it looked at because I've been so ensconced in the world of the Looperlative , the M9 and the Walker Manual Glitch pedal, I am meaning to get mine fixed this year. I just wish the damned thing didn't hog two rack spaces. I love the Electrix Repeater! You can give me yours, when you get the Elektron OctaTrack, Mark........... rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 11:44:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED6EF3BE8B; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1M/UEK/zIYa51qh+/SZpoD4IROywtGXM5mvEXvab7W4=; b=hnX081ztOu+WiyyRw83TvTZY3Vq54sO/CV8qLmH9y+OBgtv+M9Dp02jcJqlBmT4ebL yM9K2fZHnGd4WEezJiycHLcV3p91Dv4bxMNkh0T7xeP1/JQjRExnzMCYX2fjQl+oTQ3i GgCHReZZtlHBXo4T3P9Bt/YwBsKzWGUHldmJE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=wItU6vAzP9V/duqDEdkHU7+sBFBD0SpCU7Kt5hV2pKohQMhiWtJvhEe3X7QBFbdeRN 5QIJZpaOJqhb8ffW9DdMEMbNM0tlxkY2FY2ebXfoxTJCx/M0H7qnvm3s8CuID9VnL17P AGAAOvk3jmuZPGwO0Nh7k615L292psmoFa9NM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:44:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Mecca - Now available to stream in full! From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:44:57 +0000 (UTC) http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests we're on facebook too: http://www.facebook.com/pages/signalsundertests/113768655305996 more info soon... thanks, Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 11:49:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E08CE3BE8C; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wt/OxVzt8eY9403NtxqbWSfTdEsSi8uucGDo+ZAMGxQ=; b=aMmnQgrquR/aR5FCyRxNX9ZzdMkGYb4uL3RX3s9toFZhTQGuElQhPpRkCG4XV7AACC kTPcH3Tfbwbv4pSFPJGjZN/ZwmJ7DmmZFrwF1ogsFlLAwa0aEWR0ig01PvmiderfTBTN fRk+k0GWpAd3SRz/34NFNYIX/Myfzeb+xF3Es= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HL5HHoXMPgqLquc3ZiV0LouTgSMslYZ28p9xsyNDxU40kfAjuD8B3Q3EsTueB0DpHv B+ARw1Ey4mZuqvFAkj6cmuiZl4RKDJvWebEP5FKRMpAV9ErIcnoOOmad9k4uPHRUSexL 5PetAvTbexEHAF+JZ5yGCKRnBX2PsQWZcETUA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C93545F.3060501@cruzio.com> References: <4C93545F.3060501@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:49:47 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dissing the Repeater's Varispeed function From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:49:48 +0000 (UTC) > "Caveat no.3 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Isn't the favoured repeater trick the o= ne where the pitch > and tempo change > together, aka varispeed? There's no mention of that." > > reply: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Thats =C2=A0a crap repeater gimmick yes... who uses= that more than > once?" I this is about the "CC#14 trick" on the Repeater. I liked that and used it sometimes. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 12:06:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA9733BE89; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1284725183; l=2146; s=domk; d=christojota.de; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:To:From:X-RZG-CLASS-ID: X-RZG-AUTH; bh=0GIXByynyYxtXpBEj6iUWBqHMLo=; b=r5+8Ws4smBprP3B8b1z5M4rx52/u1Tdml7d7SQoIElYItm5fZrvmscZBDVOQPipvdAz EyJoA5qOkODhV66bZRanPdy/eB29oo50gFLKM+63JQbzYvnIyig5sxSXuLGuVszJdJygS qd5Kg7VrOB440LRRbME+A6eE6CcCu+SLmAw= X-RZG-AUTH: :L2QWfFOIePcNBmV0yywuLUHS8OM2DDVxTuoYQATZ0ef73CyxOAEvvWjBOblRsw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Message-ID: <9370065C82A4477CA981862D2A885FF8@Christojota> From: "Christo Jota" To: Subject: Ambient NewAge stuff Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:05:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01CB5671.704F00B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CB5671.704F00B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Loopers, I would like to inform you about my new CD "Contemplation" with the = glorious trumpet and keyboardplayer "d:on:m" (delight on mind). 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------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CB5671.704F00B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 12:41:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 152683BE8C; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: jayrope LD To: loopers delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: OT: Album spam / Air Cushion Finish Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:40:30 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Yo fellow loopingsters Air Cushion Finish (info below) now have two digital album releases up =20= on http://aircushionfinish.bandcamp.com - the 2nd collaborating with Lichens aka Rob Lowe (Kranky Records). File under: standup trackwriting, absurd ambient, guys gorgeously =20 singing, ultra slow, humming is not only for birds, let's confuse =20 drones? (oh yeah) Air Cushion Finish is a duo of me & vocalist/looper Lippstueck from =20 Biesenthal, Germany, oftenly playing slower than slow music together since 2008. We like to get musically carried away at lake-side camps but as well =20 during supporting our own favourite artists on tour (Carla Bozoulich/Evangelista, Rusty =20= Santos' The Present, Lichens, Sunset Rubdown, Bachelorette, VUK - to name some.) Our own label Biesentales Records ( http://biesentales.com ) was =20 started to release not just our own gems in limited editions on hand-crafted physical =20 media. Two of those releases, the 12-track album "Bleifu=DF" and the 8-track =20= album "Air Cushion Finish & Lichens *live in Biesenthal" have found their =20 way to Bandcamp now. We hope some of you'll enjoy this. (What's the plural of Lexicon Jamman?) http://aircushionfinish.bandcamp.com http://kliklak.net/aircushionfinish/ http://www.facebook.com/pages/Air-Cushion-Finish/101262723265951 jrp - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 12:55:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B9C73BE87; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:55:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 494008774/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.184.147/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.184.147 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtEBAHoCk0xV0riT/2dsb2JhbAAHlCrQToVABI0n X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,381,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="494008774" Message-ID: <4C936551.3000509@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:55:45 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electron Octatrack References: <4C932A52.1000901@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:55:39 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Hey Andy, dont be such a party pooper! ...and that goes for Christmas too... > > "your captured loops will immediately be time stretched to the BPM of > the Octatrack." > > > Can that feature be switched off? > > > this is the same as repeater, and you cant switch that off... its a > loop, it stretches to fit the bpm... thats what I took that to mean... I thought you *could* switch that off in the Repeater. Why don't all you prospective purchasers email the company with your requirements? This is the best time to do it, before they finished it. Being able to tap in a loop without having it stretched (and to take the bpm from that) can't be hard for them to implement, but it's easy for them to overlook. > > > Caveat no.2 > > "5. Guitarists and multi-instrumentalists looking for the best > looper option around?" > > anyone who claims "the best looper" doesn't know what a stupid > comment that is. > > > ha ha I agree.. pretty risky, but I do LOVE the products from them, they > are a great company, and to dare to make such a claim, is at least a > challenge daring? probably they are as unaware of the whole live looping thing as the rest of the world. > Caveat no.3 > Isn't the favoured repeater trick the one where the pitch and tempo > change > together, aka varispeed? There's no mention of that. > > > Thats a crap repeater gimmick yes... who uses that more than once? see.... saying that was fun wasn't it ;-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 12:55:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4555F3BE89; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XkfDZZIusByewU2aps1QB8MqRTOQd/NiqjN4WUNWXsc=; b=qJ7oinkRL3vGkYcQew0KnSfpv4mC8eL4oJvQxVPLGurgK+qaRzvCN0UJV5PVv1+PVu 34rCaM2B5AyhGlZwcGd/u6zes1lQqdFmWiMVcmXJHysTi2MAgXVeIMmJxJvbLIg5749E vK51K4hyMeQ9PGRsp8Tl90QeIMPqGMqpM6Gsc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Ra6UunabVGdQbFO4HznXXBOFg/+tQNmANLRR3aG7rW1y0mOsoUdEVPFV0/bXIR7w2y nYuHM4+J+ongg2aMfujcjJm9IK/wJh8S1C/vnLM+iTAGRHtFnQ7bcvDS2I3Mzz7egAUs X0Ysu0COs3O1UUkpLWRuEJHQoVeVL/yVr9rtg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:55:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCB1010 from 220 to 115 From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ef5050c8d7304907415c4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:55:51 +0000 (UTC) --0016364ef5050c8d7304907415c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ok thanx u are a rockin man! cheers Luis On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Louie Angulo > wrote: > > has anyone taken their fcb1010 from europe to the U.S.?i take it i have > to > > change the fuse, since i dont see a power selector anywhere on it, where > did > > you get the fuse and can you find it anywhere overthere like Radio Shack > or > > Home Depot? > > > Yes, I've used European FCB's twice in the US. You have to change the > fuse and also put back the slide upside down to make the pedal happy > with the 110 volt power. It is described well in the manual and you > can buy the needed US fuse in any radio or hi-fi store here in Europe. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > --0016364ef5050c8d7304907415c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 ok thanx u are a rockin man!
cheers
Luis

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Louie Angulo
<louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
> has anyone taken their fcb1010 from europe to the U.S.?i take it i have to
> change the fuse, since i dont see a power selector anywhere on it, where did
> you get the fuse and can you find it anywhere overthere like Radio Shack or
> Home Depot?


Yes, I've used European FCB's twice in the US. You have to change the
fuse and also put back the slide upside down to make the pedal happy
with the 110 volt power. It is described well in the manual and you
can buy the needed US fuse in any radio or hi-fi store here in Europe.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub


--0016364ef5050c8d7304907415c4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 13:11:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E86B3BE89; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3erHrzq7iWZFzlFsr/1gjH5KSETSr2PI8ocsC4ZQWNQ=; b=tJxsCz19GeTEQGDUHclMSnNrtXwqp0PN9scfji5O69nit4KkYplLMdJwb/4Wuuwo7f uA9VspfRTxqqhCnv2IE2xIFK2APNGtD/vlpj9ZkHHH4SjlawM8rUPE/spAZvtlkTM/78 WmxE+ZFxNe8PwxaL7mwULqDhkz9Rvz0lGOijo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wV6Nj8BrnWgWf7RFK1kU/UOzdEAHRMnwxni+WQWKrRJ81U7YJSOfgn2S1w9hdT8tM5 6apUi12CeFxgciaPlS2YTxpOixEybm5moPowVBBcNzYFaGaf3XbditqMjplE8lPh9M6w +d5QInnclbTlA4GCPzAqyDCvl67V5i4DjP5c0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C936551.3000509@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C932A52.1000901@tiscali.co.uk> <4C936551.3000509@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:11:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Electron Octatrack From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:11:26 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:55 PM, andy butler wrote= : >> >> "your captured loops will immediately be time stretched to the BPM of th= e >> Octatrack." >> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Can that feature be switched off? >> >> this is the same as repeater, and you cant switch that off... =C2=A0its = a loop, >> it stretches to fit the bpm... thats what I took that to mean... > > I thought you *could* switch that off in the Repeater. The Repeater offers "the CC#14 trick" which means that if you feed it MIDI CC#14 (or equivalent parameter if the CC number changed with the software upgrade) two things happen simultaneously: Time-stretching is applied and pitch-shifting is applied. The funny thing is that these two processor demanding processes are applied in order to simulate the classic rate shifting "varispeed" of early samplers. In Mobius this oldschool sound is called Rate Shift, in the EDP it's called "speed" and I think Os calls it "speed" also in the Augustus Loop. But in these oldschool loopers rate shifting uses practically no extra CPU while the CC#14 trick almost bogs down the Repeater. I think the Repeater would come in handy today if lined up as tempo slave to Mobius. I think so because Mobius is the only looper I know that offers the user to set a max tempo and a minimum tempo to be calculated by the first loop you record. When I used to slave the Repeater to the EDP I often ran into problems if the tempo got too fast, as when starting out a session with making a short loop on the EDP. The Repeater then malfunctioned because it could process data in time. I feel very happy today with software available that may let us stay free from such classic issues. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 13:22:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B91FC3BE8A; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 488509721/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.184.147/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.184.147 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtEBAFcIk0xV0riT/2dsb2JhbAAHgxSRGL5MkkeBIoFGgWVzBI0n X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,382,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="488509721" Message-ID: <4C936BAE.3040909@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:22:54 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Settling with the Gordius MIDI foot pedalboard References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:22:47 +0000 (UTC) nice review Per, just a few comments Per Boysen wrote: > > Related to the FCB the LG2 offers two (or four) more switches per > bank, if adding external switches to the 10 switches on the board. > There are four jacks for externals and you can configure them as you > want regarding number of external switches vs expression pedals. I > have settled with using two extra switches and two expression pedals > (I heard Andy Butler runs his LG set up for 4 expression pedals). my LG1 was modded for 4 expression pedals, don't think I got round to using that tho'. The LG2 is planned to allow TWO switches per external socket, or an expression pedal. So that's up to 8 extra switches. Until the firmware upgrade there's a limited no of options Also the expression pedals offer the possibility of switching at toe up and toe down. (many options for that) Latest thing is that the LG will switch on your wah when you operate the pedal, and turn it off when you leave the pedal alone. (just released) > > The LG2 has room for 250 banks (FCB limited to 10) but I only use 8 LG also offers something called a setlist. Each setlist has an arbitrary number of songs, 'each which call up a bank, *and* optionally call up a preset. Using a "Song" to control one device is a very neat strategy for looping. Then, you can have as many banks as you like on the LG, but by using one setlist you can just have easily available a few banks that you want for a particular session. On very neat feature of as "Song" when used to control one device is that the associated preset can assing the footcontrollers to that device. > > The architecture of the Gordius builds on three levels: Patches, > Presets and Banks. Apparently this simplifies with the release of the new firmware. Hopefully without losing the flexibility. > A cool thing is that you can create more of them all > than you actually assign to be used in the banks you perform with, and > this makes room for experimenting and developing exciting setups "on > the side". right, and with the setlist mode you can put whole banks "on the side" > One should definitely use the USB cable and the Windows software to > set up the pedalboard. A Mac OS version of the editor is planned, but > I would advice Mac musicians to dedicate 5 GB drive space for a > Bootcamp partition with Windows only to run the Gordius Control Center > editor application. good advice from Per > For all the Gordius deepness I have not covered here, check out the > manual at http://www.gordius.be/ I'm still hassling Xavier for the switchable midi routing option. I think he's trying to work it so that the LG can run a script/sequence loop and still respond to button presses. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 13:43:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 278223BE85; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=M2kRQrAaAAAA:8 a=t7NJesxSz5GV2RaUnwUA:9 a=79eneAk6P4gUAvTYhl5MyUmFgBcA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Message-Id: <9C23BA4F-C170-47C0-BD8E-EF987F91B477@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9370065C82A4477CA981862D2A885FF8@Christojota> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Ambient NewAge stuff X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 06:43:01 -0700 References: <9370065C82A4477CA981862D2A885FF8@Christojota> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Very pleasant morning music to wake up and sip coffee to. Thanks! On Sep 17, 2010, at 5:05 AM, Christo Jota wrote: > Hello Loopers, > I would like to inform you about my new CD "Contemplation" with the =20= > glorious > trumpet and keyboardplayer "d:on:m" (delight on mind). Maybe it=B4s =20= > not the usual > experimental music that=B4s featured here on L.D. But one or the other = =20 > may > like the smooth ambient NewAge tracks and some looping too that you =20= > can find on our record. > Some samples here: > www.christojota.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 13:55:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 991943BE87; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Pj52JtUGx/B0YbbMjGE0FQEIJ4A4J7an2ZS7c8/+nVE=; b=VZiCe+qGl7K9Dgv+tdi3QHdJX1TJHC+Hj6DaJ9/pAz8MrYC2FYlzf4uMsTtoX4jV7k yu4kKUNKjxeYcbFiaqvAVs0+jPbn0y2obcwBq4KujpcRN2cypwZ5VnqeLuV6Nn4LNER4 iGgXTPlkfkFAXD+PT5vV6maaQv2qzyxSowEKU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kBwS1KvhdbqXeJdblBvwMv0SrfCzFqPfI65PHeJ/iDqoSZkosql0zNEAdD2PY1LWd0 FYKPM/gBOSz12FSmKs8QAGpVr7MOMa2hbg25jr6gwRDUIyCuhccCa5TxfBRKOfZpR3HG CLVW/hrFanXUMMRq/vuahw740fI1qXI11FcIw= Message-ID: <4C937353.3060501@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:55:31 -0400 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Massimo Liverani CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2KX FEST ACCOMODATION References: <1894712.2329591284714638031.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> In-Reply-To: <1894712.2329591284714638031.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:55:41 +0000 (UTC) For anyone who needs to get a hotel in SC, this place seems cheapest - $59 US a night single, $69 double. If anybody in the room has a AAA account, it's cheaper yet ($62 double). http://www.bayfrontinnsc.com/ Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Hello to evrbdy loopers! Maybe a litte O.T. but in the vision of this > festival and to help > > Rick's organization overhelmed by so many people arriving > > is someone staying in S. Cruz in those days interested to share a > cheap hotel > > or motel room with me? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 14:26:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE89A3BE8F; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=h+Of6sOoS6ey6uQampS5UWB0o55XjQf7gxQcEaoNLF8=; b=iHZbuISMHJkGXYky2AJTDRGDvDNpfoB11E7OztvKsaOdz9viGHe6OqaSqktwhuMPC+ fjrj7Ig2NNzwcB+IilHoy4iN8ITIGaBaiDuR0YeiBgSjgElbIAM8S52l2pJZJXyo/qc+ foKnIUVDmdIzxgwp6s1eRAleU+yKqfgqA+Eh4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=PIJ2oDoMQmUVVwSS9YQ9FmbCsq1/1oN4DOJchyZjsiy0xRTqXwUKQB3ZIT0f64R6I/ 1n2nPoEY+4H0BNFy3H11Jm5g5u6QSnd1YtCX9fNGUruBn1nm+D2shVF9RqTuHCK/uQf2 th44mgSgAHmf+7CWTtx5mEHugKmlkhM2llFpc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4C93545F.3060501@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:26:32 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NZt14mt8_ApYe5V2LG9Sl5yJGjg Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dissing the Repeater's Varispeed function To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016361e82fc95ee4a0490755ab0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:26:52 +0000 (UTC) --0016361e82fc95ee4a0490755ab0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i said, "Thats a crap repeater gimmick yes... who uses that more than > > once?" > > Rick said > > Errrrrr, me!!!!!! I love that the Repeater can make a found musical > object become > a three octave ranged chromatic instrument. It's allowed me to make musi= c > that > no other technology that has existed has allowed me to do in real time. > Its not the same thing Rick, I also LOVE to play the FCB like a keyboard, with the loop being pitched. The nice thing is that the rythmic nature of the loop is retained, just the pitch changes.. The CC14 trick however... > > I this is about the "CC#14 trick" on the Repeater. I liked that and > used it sometimes. > > Per said > ... is the trick of having the pitch AND loop speed slow down to a grinding halt. I have no doubt that Per user it with his fantastic creativity, for cool effect. I however just used it for that "one trick wonder" of the slow down at end of gig. Thats the clich=E9 that I was referring to... Im sorry for getting exited by a new product guys. Especially as its hardware, which I am personally more drawn to. I very much admire this companies previous products, am exited to see what this might be, and far from suggesting some features that will just make it similar to what I currently like and am into, I am psyched to wait and see what new and groov= y options these guys have thought up that doesn't fit the current looper mold= . I dont want another repeater, or a hardware mobius. Mark --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016361e82fc95ee4a0490755ab0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i said,
=A0 "Thats =A0a crap repeater gimmick yes... who uses that = more than
> once?"

Rick said

Errrrrr, me!!!!!! =A0 =A0 I love that the Repeater can= make a found musical object become
a three octave ranged chromatic instrument. =A0It's allowed me to make = music that
no other technology that has existed has allowed me to do in real time.

Its not the same thing Rick, I also LOVE to pl= ay the FCB like a keyboard, with the loop being pitched. The nice thing is = that the rythmic nature of the loop is retained, just the pitch changes..
The CC14 trick however...

I this is about the "CC#14 trick" on the Repeater. I liked = that and
used it sometimes.
=A0
Per said

... is the trick of having the pitch AND loop speed slow down to a grinding= halt. I have no doubt that Per user it with his fantastic creativity, for = cool effect.

I however just used it for that "one trick wonder&= quot; of the slow down at end of gig.
Thats the clich=E9 that I was referring to...

Im sorry for getting e= xited by a new product guys. Especially as its hardware, which I am persona= lly more drawn to. I very much admire this companies previous products, am = exited to see what this might be, and far from suggesting some features tha= t will just make it similar to what I currently like and am into, I am psyc= hed to wait and see what new and groovy options these guys have thought up = that doesn't fit the current looper mold. I dont want another repeater,= or a hardware mobius.

Mark

--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markf= rancombe
http://vimeo.com/= user825094
http://www.looop.no --0016361e82fc95ee4a0490755ab0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 14:33:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B2A03BE89; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 707 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:33:46 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1009170077 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.0.10011,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-09-17_07:2010-09-17,2010-09-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Subject: Y2kx References: <4C9340E1.8060505@cruzio.com> From: Daniel Berkman X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8B117) In-reply-to: <4C9340E1.8060505@cruzio.com> Message-id: <578B86AC-BC4D-4FC1-AED6-8C9ECF3DCCB4@mac.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:32:48 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rick, Looks like the 15th is out for me. Is there any room on Saturday, preferably in the evening? Best, Daniel Berkman _____________________ Daniel Berkman | Colfax | Kora Musician • Composer • Producer www.danielberkman.com Phone: (415) 254-4895 Email: danielberkman@mac.com On Sep 17, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > I wanted to welcome Luis Prado to our community. > > Luis wrote me with inquiries about the looping festival > but will be unable to attend this year's festival. > > He's from Chile but lives in Italy (and sometimes in India). > > I told him about L.D. and he just subscribed to the daily digest. > > Welcome, Luis!!!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 14:58:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 962D53BE8B; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oLCQ8QH40WpcL8Jah6TibvJzabHlwE3H6U85D7kGoEY=; b=bOdV1kZWDE0K8kFxuGcX1JmBLo4Nm/OV8uSdimfCdJTCncr5kCNqCdU4MLObonGb85 5U6UppfkqWiio34A+3j18AwKQV01jqdbspFfezh+JGmjcoLf6TMAM1SflKIsYOXm41cv dhN8/iEJYl+8XuXQ8lMZoE0kjr9mIdp1+wQlg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qhjCpYoBSFqorakrIU619T1yCiNgsm5xd1KLW2V3TzB1B78/PLsUQeK1nxG//CEhbl dgWfIcCBbBHBG1MHIxQN6XkFTBGogrFEn5nTohr2ysW9+l6notION350F9RwlVVv5jba yDZCsZ2MR7Gyceiza/kbOvm0N8aUcyX87Oeo8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:58:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI sync with Time Signature Retention From: Matt Walsh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c931b2c00550049075ca00 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:58:14 +0000 (UTC) --001636c931b2c00550049075ca00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks folks. This is very helpful. I think I have isunderstood some things and left some other pertinent info out. ;) I will not be changing time signatures; but I will be doing a lot of 5,6,7. A scenario: I set up a 2 bar loop on my MPC60 at a tempo of 130 BPM in 5/4. I create a rhythm/synth/sample track. The loop on the looper should be the same as the loop on the MPC. Time signature as such is actually not important. It just needs to be 10 beats at 130 BPM. The looper should also responding to the Play/stop commands on the MPC, so it should already be playing the empty loop in sync with the MPC loop. When I hit record I am essentially "punching in" over the synth. I will be feeding a mixer and singing/playing drums over the MPC base track. Is this clearer? Again, thanks for all the help! Best, Matt On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Dustbunnies wrote: > At 12:50 AM -0400 9/17/10, Matt Walsh wrote: > >> >> I'm somewhat new to audio looping. I have been doing a form of looping by >> building up tracks with my Akai MPC60 and sampler. I am thinking about >> syncing some audio loops into the mix, as it were. >> >> So I am thinking of getting a real-deal audio looper. It will need to >> slave to to the Akai, and it will need to be a piece of hardware. Thing is, >> it will not only need to slave tempo, but will need to slave time signature >> as well. I'm not opposed to having to load a patch that has this data in it, >> if need be. But it definitely needs to respond to play/stop commands and >> stay in sync with the MPC. >> >> Thoughts? >> > > You may be out of luck as far as hardware goes, since I believe that almost > all hardware units respond to Midi Clock Sync and MMC (Midi Machine Control) > commands. IIRC, Time Signature is a rather esoteric specification buried in > MTC (Midi Time Code), which there is little reason for audio loopers to > implement. (Even back when I did a lot of soundtrack and post-production > work, we never bothered with that function. In fact, I'd forgotten it > existed until I just did a search) > > MTC is mainly useful when syncing to SMPTE. In most setups, you'd want to > be able to shuttle to different parts of a composition and have all the > instruments immediately know which section of the score at which they should > begin. Since most loopers merely record an audio loop then replay it over > and over (yes, I know I'm oversimplifying here guys) there's little > advantage to MTC over Clock Sync + MMC, so most manufacturers don't bother > with it. In fact, I can't think of any hardware loopers at all that support > it off the top of my head. > > I'm curious, though, why this is a requirement? Are you going to be > recording a loop in realtime and then suddenly changing its time signature? > If so, then there are perhaps some other functions that might assist you > with doing that rather than using the MTC spec. For instance, changing 4/4 > to 3/4 would be rather easy by simply truncating the loop. 4/4 to 7/4 would > be a 2x multiply, then a quick truncate from 8 beats to 7. Many other time > signature changes are going to be very difficult with recorded audio data, > however. But, then again, merely changing the time signature via MTC spec > isn't going to do any deep editing of the lines either. > > If you can give us some idea why you need this over just standard Clock + > MMC, maybe we can help with a more comprehensive answer. > > FWIW, a few hardware loopers I know if that support Clock are the > Looperlative, EDP, and Repeater. Probably a couple more I'm forgetting too. > > --m. > -- > _____ > "beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a halt > beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me...." > > --001636c931b2c00550049075ca00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks folks. This is very helpful. I think I have isunderstood some things= and left some other pertinent info out. ;)

I will not be changing t= ime signatures; but I will be doing a lot of 5,6,7.=A0 A scenario: I set up= a 2 bar loop on my MPC60 at a tempo of 130 BPM in 5/4. I create a rhythm/s= ynth/sample track. The loop on the looper should be the same as the loop on= the MPC. Time signature as such is actually not important. It just needs t= o be 10 beats at 130 BPM. The looper should also responding to the Play/sto= p commands on the MPC, so it should already be playing the empty loop in sy= nc with the MPC loop.

When I hit record I am essentially "punching in" over the syn= th. I will be feeding a mixer and singing/playing drums over the MPC base t= rack.

Is this clearer? Again, thanks for all the help!

Best,<= br> Matt

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Dus= tbunnies <mech@m3ch.n= et> wrote:
At 12:50 AM -0400 9/17/10, Matt Walsh wro= te:

I'm somewhat new to audio looping. I have been doing a form of looping = by building up tracks with my Akai MPC60 and sampler. I am thinking about s= yncing some audio loops into the mix, as it were.

So I am thinking of getting a real-deal audio looper. It will need to slave= to to the Akai, and it will need to be a piece of hardware. Thing is, it w= ill not only need to slave tempo, but will need to slave time signature as = well. I'm not opposed to having to load a patch that has this data in i= t, if need be. But it definitely needs to respond to play/stop commands and= stay in sync with the MPC.

Thoughts?

You may be out of luck as far as hardware goes, since I believe that almost= all hardware units respond to Midi Clock Sync and MMC (Midi Machine Contro= l) commands. =A0IIRC, Time Signature is a rather esoteric specification bur= ied in MTC (Midi Time Code), which there is little reason for audio loopers= to implement. =A0(Even back when I did a lot of soundtrack and post-produc= tion work, we never bothered with that function. =A0In fact, I'd forgot= ten it existed until I just did a search)

MTC is mainly useful when syncing to SMPTE. =A0In most setups, you'd wa= nt to be able to shuttle to different parts of a composition and have all t= he instruments immediately know which section of the score at which they sh= ould begin. =A0Since most loopers merely record an audio loop then replay i= t over and over (yes, I know I'm oversimplifying here guys) there's= little advantage to MTC over Clock Sync + MMC, so most manufacturers don&#= 39;t bother with it. =A0In fact, I can't think of any hardware loopers = at all that support it off the top of my head.

I'm curious, though, why this is a requirement? =A0Are you going to be = recording a loop in realtime and then suddenly changing its time signature?= =A0If so, then there are perhaps some other functions that might assist yo= u with doing that rather than using the MTC spec. =A0For instance, changing= 4/4 to 3/4 would be rather easy by simply truncating the loop. =A04/4 to 7= /4 would be a 2x multiply, then a quick truncate from 8 beats to 7. =A0Many= other time signature changes are going to be very difficult with recorded = audio data, however. =A0But, then again, merely changing the time signature= via MTC spec isn't going to do any deep editing of the lines either.
If you can give us some idea why you need this over just standard Clock + M= MC, maybe we can help with a more comprehensive answer.

FWIW, a few hardware loopers I know if that support Clock are the Looperlat= ive, EDP, and Repeater. =A0Probably a couple more I'm forgetting too.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m.
--
_____
"beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a hal= t
=A0 beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me...."=


--001636c931b2c00550049075ca00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 15:22:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B4883BE8D; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1009170074 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.0.10011,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-09-17_07:2010-09-17,2010-09-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Subject: Re: Introducing Luis Prado, a looper from Chile References: <4C9340E1.8060505@cruzio.com> From: Daniel Berkman X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8B117) In-reply-to: <4C9340E1.8060505@cruzio.com> Message-id: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:21:15 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rick, Did you decide if I would fit in the line up this year? -Daniel _____________________ Daniel Berkman | Colfax | Kora Musician • Composer • Producer www.danielberkman.com Phone: (415) 254-4895 Email: danielberkman@mac.com On Sep 17, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > I wanted to welcome Luis Prado to our community. > > Luis wrote me with inquiries about the looping festival > but will be unable to attend this year's festival. > > He's from Chile but lives in Italy (and sometimes in India). > > I told him about L.D. and he just subscribed to the daily digest. > > Welcome, Luis!!!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 16:53:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A5BA3BE8F; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nm8EnokKKez4cz91jyfoM60Yv4+kohsTGzeVB+j+TKc=; b=r3GrXNPKnbhd1NLgQIjp4hlBLjYkTQAbPSwQszbUDKW0U5cnxjwWxe8FZCwmm/FEtA V5s6tSztyb6qWUJmzxTE7m7PV6WuIMd5HjxK7aY9mvknmIYccl526/8wFXUhD0ccLzB/ C4fMM/8dDaz+9gGN/A55e8ih/6jQHgoFBkIWU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GM0wKTzITbGmENI2sJPUyWitSkrp77QCWmj5peDGuTpmPvLBH3BVPu7hECvqsT/Yyh f1AOQk++YQ5UKM1DdBAw6U3EDk+q5YW4v2hSX6FnxymRsei+yq8jxIhNIy2rB0s8KzkX TjEGs/vqEczGvI7VPFqxHpGeWzPHd5iJQUuIk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C932A52.1000901@tiscali.co.uk> <4C936551.3000509@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 18:52:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Electron Octatrack From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:53:08 +0000 (UTC) for 1200=80 i'll stick with the notebook+controller by now ... 2010/9/17 Per Boysen : > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:55 PM, andy butler wro= te: >>> >>> "your captured loops will immediately be time stretched to the BPM of t= he >>> Octatrack." >>> >>> =A0 =A0Can that feature be switched off? >>> >>> this is the same as repeater, and you cant switch that off... =A0its a = loop, >>> it stretches to fit the bpm... thats what I took that to mean... >> >> I thought you *could* switch that off in the Repeater. > > > The Repeater offers "the CC#14 trick" which means that if you feed it > MIDI CC#14 (or equivalent parameter if the CC number changed with the > software upgrade) two things happen simultaneously: Time-stretching is > applied and pitch-shifting is applied. The funny thing is that these > two processor demanding processes are applied in order to simulate the > classic rate shifting "varispeed" of early samplers. In Mobius this > oldschool sound is called Rate Shift, in the EDP it's called "speed" > and I think Os calls it "speed" also in the Augustus Loop. But in > these oldschool loopers rate shifting uses practically no extra CPU > while the CC#14 trick almost bogs down the Repeater. > > I think the Repeater would come in handy today if lined up as tempo > slave to Mobius. I think so because Mobius is the only looper I know > that offers the user to set a max tempo and a minimum tempo to be > calculated by the first loop you record. When I used to slave the > Repeater to the EDP I often ran into problems if the tempo got too > fast, as when starting out a session with making a short loop on the > EDP. The Repeater then malfunctioned because it could process data in > time. I feel very happy today with software available that may let us > stay free from such classic issues. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 17 17:49:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0275E3BE8E; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZlYFmRGAeIC5TAFAuq+0y7hnrL4ImWd+VLRc6044bCs=; b=vuHpUZbeNm9XzcmAWifZ6hVFy3xqOqJyEWKWukSm5g185NtVuUJGXz7AFYEP6JjWa2 ezDgECOXfMwT/T7opv71+Tja5dyQR7sF01xeHeyfBXXKQKP9OSx+jWtW83GbUQnnuAje QZt2yDmNjMPFXY9d+7LdLIkBaxRYQqCCiGBzI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uI1NyX1JcRnv8+iha4XB4qtY8MhuLVoUo4vedrx4I99lGueMNBYoPPWO2mOFPXx4UL WP4Sjr9DBF+T5Y6/CbFjPODY9iCDjCPO16OPVwwqhcbCnIY05N9eeX9GlgdCm8DV1G2M i6fL5G5V4bHVQx6UN4dabJhKi+UcL5VMkuaSo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C93545F.3060501@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:49:25 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dissing the Repeater's Varispeed function From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Ah no, I use that all the time. If you really want to mess with the perception of time, just work that back and forth with an expression pedal changing the values and it is an amazing effect. BTW, this is a single control now in the updated 2. whatever Repeater OS (easily available via certain Yahoo groups btw). I love this effect and use it regularly. Kevin On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 7:26 AM, mark francombe wr= ote: > i said, > =A0 "Thats =A0a crap repeater gimmick yes... who uses that more than >> >> > once?" >> >> Rick said >> >> Errrrrr, me!!!!!! =A0 =A0 I love that the Repeater can make a found musi= cal >> object become >> a three octave ranged chromatic instrument. =A0It's allowed me to make m= usic >> that >> no other technology that has existed has allowed me to do in real time. > > Its not the same thing Rick, I also LOVE to play the FCB like a keyboard, > with the loop being pitched. The nice thing is that the rythmic nature of > the loop is retained, just the pitch changes.. > > The CC14 trick however... >> >> I this is about the "CC#14 trick" on the Repeater. I liked that and >> used it sometimes. > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 01:49:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C0023BE8D; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qSr9LhVgFWJZ4sX1o3p2yNLBFALcUr/DLjqkvkO3gX0=; b=Z4vHYt2KQ3655HTgUL+aHbeB4pisRZ1FObWwFBJGjWS1nzz0RN9QGnL4lnnY5lJ/gf zRr76NL5WXYJE5eclztP2EVjjq4xNs13XoNfr+5McTj3hHQdLM4W98ElZFb8ae2v9gQw LBIO9FKMhNMw2UrhQZsw3nIylN0KoalWZU+60= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=mzO2xbyl7bWr3Yybp9zYTRwLTOI4pisulaDhma7zI2WwOJGyJo+fldNJfUEFtf68Fo sPmWSTO1RFPion33h6E7ULBfU2s5AvLPLNH7KKRByp8qvVGYy3OKyuM/u3whFgmW+iLg IIQmCCRsb4QwESfL/WITPJcM2D17EjYIXfHuo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 20:49:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Electron Octatrack From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163649a099d5dfc904907ee4d9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:49:47 +0000 (UTC) --00163649a099d5dfc904907ee4d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hmmm, this Electron Octatrack looks interesting. but at 1200 eur, which i just looked up = $1500+ in U.S. currency, a tad bit out of my range. but the features look quite interesting.... i can't wait for this to come out and then make the repeater obsolete, maybe i'll be able to get a used repeater then. ha! s--- www.myspace.com/scotthansen --00163649a099d5dfc904907ee4d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hmmm, this Electron Octatrack=A0 looks interesting.
but at 1200 eur, which i just looked up =3D $1500+ in U.S. currency, a= tad bit out of my range.
but the features look quite interesting....
i can't wait for this to come out and then make the repeater obsol= ete, maybe i'll be able to get=A0a
used repeater then. ha!
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--00163649a099d5dfc904907ee4d9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 07:53:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 123F63BE8E; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 584 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:53:33 UTC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhICACcKlExcHMSp/2dsb2JhbAAHgxSRI70bkkWBIoMrcwSNRw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,385,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="305060291" Subject: Re: Electron Octatrack From: fluke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4C932A52.1000901@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C932A52.1000901@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:43:45 +0100 Message-ID: <1284795825.2878.2.camel@nik-tablet> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm... And can it overdub as the loop repeats with a user set feedback level? Can it go directly from record into overdub? Can it define the loop length based on the first clip recorded? Nik On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 09:44 +0100, andy butler wrote: > Anders Bergdahl wrote: > > Some new info on their site, iit looks like a intresting hybrid between > > a looper, sequencer and sampler that can also mangle the loops... > > http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack?section=faq > > Reflections?? > > Let's not get carried away here:- > > Caveat no.1 > > "your captured loops will immediately be time stretched to the BPM of the Octatrack." > > Can that feature be switched off? > > > Caveat no.2 > > "5. Guitarists and multi-instrumentalists looking for the best looper option around?" > > anyone who claims "the best looper" doesn't know what a stupid comment that is. > > > Caveat no.3 > Isn't the favoured repeater trick the one where the pitch and tempo change > together, aka varispeed? There's no mention of that. > > andy > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 08:18:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9B323BE89; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C9475C5.8090901@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 04:18:13 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <55f2D.A.nYC.IXHlMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:18:16 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, September 18 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs in Phase One. You will also hear music by The Tangent Project who will be playing at the Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, October 10. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 14:39:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FC5E3BE8D; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=r6mDEjpYpJF1AmfRB7vjxyUEI2FAkt/Vl6pLVI9t2tk=; b=SMYTU/vGbF4uqL9QP8Wh8ydb1MqQfC5zvlDnV2NAPNMJ7helTbSThNpKs1QmYEBsC7 IHIKjDeWrdiJkOJHwcP2NMMlzdIdqK+k+QOFm0WWtS6gbHta0G+ug1MtBWnoByDquiY9 FvrMpTRN59DuWVE89cpXfOmwDxRL/m34/c7HY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=BDtJZ60SQG7cwyrgO14pCoAa7ynidhE0sfn++wnNwVipYzVZA9jjq1h1IslJ/qlHiS /sL07tGuKK99ygjrPwOuQYK2e7SdrTYsBJXylbsxjHtZ+E1GYXTbtZE0+hRUjBGs+14R bsYiRbCTZ+SWEHNs0dfvFFikFnu+5wtmTRFTw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:39:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: OT: eventide following clock From: james fowler To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd4805c25ad92049089a5de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:39:23 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd4805c25ad92049089a5de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 anybody out there having a hard time getting their eventide to follow incoming midi clock? to be more specific: the tempo button (and corresponding bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get the tempo-based modulations to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting all over the place and thereby rendering it useless. plogue bidule is generating the clock, btw. any and all help is appreciated. i've gotten no love from both plogue's and eventide's forums. - jim --000e0cd4805c25ad92049089a5de Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anybody out there having a hard time getting their eventide to follow incom= ing midi clock?=A0 to be more specific: the tempo button (and corresponding= bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get the tempo-= based modulations to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting all over = the place and thereby rendering it useless.=A0 plogue bidule is generating = the clock, btw.

any and all help is appreciated.=A0 i've gotten no love from both p= logue's and eventide's forums.

- jim
--000e0cd4805c25ad92049089a5de-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 15:20:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B10CC3BE8C; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=a+9WEpXmqjc0ct4XKhD3iqkay0Z7615zcprA5nQOLreAQts6WnXVgcd39qhrlxi3Ce0L05ymFJ1b4D1MFTZuOz9eXxcACpCJtMN9lrE1AptZj59TA3FlcHOWCn68YMEnkLbrAKnV3WNAJFBumOHUXZb3jFa1d3i3uyNPQZXXKcI= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1284823220; bh=Iup7m4NQTcRe/kgbSjPx0dqPJlx+jBWsOc1mN0yri94=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=fjzQTXJVpZ4EoFV5GY0R0oyLvVkuM3uLux1AKV8ZJ9PSRdOKs9IsrRZ6C01pKPeuAWh7lKSKyKKKMoVfV14sMBrLVYTb2BtyKE2tbNjZwPtLXdoWWusuzxMEw8RciYtkZNVE+EE506akW8GL0gHKW9lyV26sXtMOR8uEFdOMhf0= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: POhmOuUVM1mbqa9MbdsETPmakAHLgcJ5qvo7Wdo9tFocOZB tIPIbvqJldwdoKJz4aCY3ruAbaiDQRWHi6K0tdm5oJJH3uhxFPqlN0ERyXpm h1gkAoc6dwV7nmkKEQSFwJjGZhom2itWaYdvonduYVKhkTZJz074gIFOlyq. GRF16Fvv98zNVeapjITLVBzVEG6e1XJ9nXScqJQJhkYjUVqDUIZOCksCFzHY nRQycnw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--574144567 From: Matt Stevens Subject: Livestream loop performance right now (Stream spam) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:20:16 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:20:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10--574144567 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Watching a great ambient soundscape cello/guitar loop set from Mr Steve Moyes http://cafenoodle.ning.com/ #cafenoodle - our man Rainer is on in 40minutes with lots of loopers streaming today and tomorrow from across the world :) Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com --Apple-Mail-10--574144567 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Watching a great ambient soundscape cello/guitar loop set from Mr Steve Moyes http://cafenoodle.ning.com/ #cafenoodle - our man Rainer is on in 40minutes with lots of loopers streaming today and tomorrow from across the world :)

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--Apple-Mail-10--574144567-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 15:46:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D1A93BE8A; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HO3z1hDaFEx1aKaRAAsWlAQwxruxLpqWLDMtQ0GnXd4=; b=imWVuWC4YFrxx8ag4P5CWI8n2FV3nXUXltSHSEhMmgr+6OqJIoV6vc51Yy4GSYZsEv Z7B5SpylGZxC8ICs+OyDaA8Gnjp33rxUdVNq3Q7JFnh+3mBjKE8ouOcoDQn/av6eWm2Q UAxdK0SwVoD7yC8M2FyUpzTAw8sxUJV6J3j0Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=s/UNvxWSUDoDCsPRNvRfO5hmm+r0wcXC11Ni7AC7n7TLDSLg6Tczm7Q19uN7VqbWFh rHsefoFNlwqSq2HcVpG4BLamAA3ReiMT0ioSXM67+FaVUTUYuEQSXjN1e4UgHUed/Lje vtyYlADUiX1JIC5nhG78kri+skupDV6Am3aEw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:46:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Livestream loop performance right now (Stream spam) From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:46:36 +0000 (UTC) I joined up. Cool concept. Ricky On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Matt Stevens wrote: > Watching a great ambient soundscape cello/guitar loop set from Mr Steve > Moyes http://cafenoodle.ning.com/ #cafenoodle - our man Rainer is on in > 40minutes with lots of loopers streaming today and tomorrow from across the > world :) > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 17:57:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A8C13BE8F; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WOwpnTDKYSTAbth6jgh+Tnjolu/uPRpg/pEvUGm74nk=; b=jaq2R+gIlEceajaCs6WcLavCtnJDtGl4cpYMr/QMmyBkIFMFcs7SbMqYGAfEgXr3zU JZih86GnK36Q/VtJ1ZVEjIxFhw3wtv9Vk4jQ7gYxzaL3TnNMWZQe63lEf+vlODn/Yhdg pWIfVbyxZVRSHJ+W91nSARNCL2un6Sd9noXB0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lDJwSIAO20j0opdqiDb00QUQRJhpgwZMJLUteqfQKoKLopAbCn5Il49ea2nPHh21Xa ZLZT0mnhVDT8kl1mpU741Fhj8A6yI+5tX5iBf8O4FWGAKAjqa8CpEFmBAtOzXw6rj54I jInY5yXOmoLJDI1wNFSr4SwJ5GJRxL3xx3WLQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:57:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e887cb52758cd04908c6b59 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:57:55 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e887cb52758cd04908c6b59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 same here James,their forums suck really,they dont seem to be planning on another update either... Luis On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:39 PM, james fowler wrote: > anybody out there having a hard time getting their eventide to follow > incoming midi clock? to be more specific: the tempo button (and > corresponding bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get > the tempo-based modulations to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting > all over the place and thereby rendering it useless. plogue bidule is > generating the clock, btw. > > any and all help is appreciated. i've gotten no love from both plogue's > and eventide's forums. > > - jim > --e0cb4e887cb52758cd04908c6b59 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable same here James,their forums suck really,they dont seem to be planning on a= nother update either...
Luis

On Sat, S= ep 18, 2010 at 4:39 PM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com> wrote:
anybody out there= having a hard time getting their eventide to follow incoming midi clock?= =A0 to be more specific: the tempo button (and corresponding bpm values) ar= e spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get the tempo-based modulatio= ns to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting all over the place and t= hereby rendering it useless.=A0 plogue bidule is generating the clock, btw.=

any and all help is appreciated.=A0 i've gotten no love from both p= logue's and eventide's forums.

- jim

--e0cb4e887cb52758cd04908c6b59-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 21:13:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8C7F3BE89; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100918154637.3E4663BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--552982668 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Dissing the Repeater's Varispeed function Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:12:58 -0700 References: <20100918154637.3E4663BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:13:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--552982668 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark said: > I however just used it for that "one trick wonder" of the slow down =20= > at end of gig. > Thats the clich=E9 that I was referring to... I know what you mean mark and I felt the same way, it was =20 definitely good for a few laughs though particularly when accompanied =20= by slow-mo body language :-)The Repeater was my main looper for a =20 number of years, and I used that trick initially for a while before =20 discovering mapping its midi notes to an FCB1010 and also triggering =20 it from a roland GR20 midi guitar with a programmable arpeggiator =20 that allowed me to create arpeggios of any rhythm or tempo out of =20 simple drone notes I looped on the repeater. This fascinated me as it =20= allowed me to create textures that I would never be able to create =20 trying to play those same figures on a midi guitar in real time. Just =20= about the time I was feeling like I had run my course with that =20 technique and gotten in to a rut by over using it, along came the =20 Looperlative. For a while I missed having that technique to use but I =20= wasn't missing dragging along my guitar synth and repeater and the =20 necessary midi patch bay to make them all behave together. A little =20 over a year ago I go I started to explore the quantize replace =20 function in the LP-2 that is similar to and inspired by the sus 8th =20 command on the echoplex, which I can't stop using. Rick had been =20 responsible for getting Bob to implement the feature, and at first his =20= description of what it did didn't quite register with me as to how =20 powerful it can be. Now I'm all about the technique and I need to be =20 careful as to not start over using it because it really is quite =20 extraordinary sounding and a great springboard for improvisation. I've =20= got different tracks set up for different beat subdivisions so I can =20 use this technique to create rhythmic note sequences in several =20 different time signatures and get a similar percolating result to what =20= i once did with the Repeater. One thing about QR I really like is =20 that there is an innate randomness to what the end result will be, I =20 may use the same note choices played in the same order while hitting =20 my quantize replace switch but the results will always vary slightly. =20= like any looping technique that is of the looper as instrument =20 variety, the quantize replace technique is quite startling to the =20 listener when first encountered, just like the slow down trick, having =20= a bunch of these techniques to call on is great, but using one over =20 and over again can start to seem like the guy who couldn't stop =20 twirling his microphone. > > Im sorry for getting exited by a new product guys. Especially as its =20= > hardware, which I am personally more drawn to. I very much admire =20 > this companies previous products, am exited to see what this might =20 > be, and far from suggesting some features that will just make it =20 > similar to what I currently like and am into, I am psyched to wait =20 > and see what new and groovy options these guys have thought up that =20= > doesn't fit the current looper mold. I dont want another repeater, =20 > or a hardware mobius. > > Mark Hey Mark, their not hating the player their hating the game. I'm =20 also tired of the over hyping of new products and claims of being the =20= best but I'm also excited about any new looping product coming out =20 particularly if it does new things as well as things I want it to do. Bill =20= --Apple-Mail-1--552982668 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark said:

I however = just used it for that "one trick wonder" of the slow down at end of = gig.
Thats the clich=E9 that I was referring = to...

 I know what you mean = mark and I felt the same way,  it was definitely good for a few = laughs though particularly when accompanied by slow-mo body language = :-)The Repeater was my main looper for a number of years, and I used = that trick initially for a while before discovering mapping its midi = notes to an FCB1010 and also triggering it from a roland  GR20 midi = guitar with a programmable arpeggiator that allowed me to create = arpeggios of any rhythm or tempo out of simple drone notes I looped on = the repeater. This fascinated me as it allowed me to create textures = that I would never be able to create trying to play those same figures = on a midi guitar in real time. Just about the time I was feeling like I = had run my course with that technique and gotten in to a rut by over = using it, along came the Looperlative.  For a while I missed having = that technique to use but I wasn't missing dragging along my guitar = synth and repeater and the necessary midi patch bay to make them all = behave together. A little over a year ago I go I started to explore the = quantize replace function in the LP-2 that is similar to and inspired by = the sus 8th command on the echoplex,  which I can't stop using. =  Rick had been responsible for getting Bob to implement the = feature, and at first his description of what it did didn't quite = register  with me as to how powerful it can be. Now I'm all about = the technique and I need to be careful as to not start over using it = because it really is quite extraordinary sounding and a great = springboard for improvisation. I've got different tracks set up for = different beat subdivisions so I can use this technique to create = rhythmic note sequences in  several different time signatures and = get a similar percolating result to what i once did with the Repeater. =  One thing about QR I really like is  that there is an innate = randomness to what the end result will be, I may use the same note = choices played in the same order while hitting my quantize replace = switch but the results will always vary slightly.  like any looping = technique that is of the looper as instrument variety,  the = quantize replace technique is quite startling to the listener when first = encountered, just like the slow down trick, having a bunch of these = techniques to call on is great, but using one over and over again can = start to seem like the guy who couldn't stop twirling his = microphone.

Im sorry = for getting exited by a new product guys. Especially as its hardware, = which I am personally more drawn to. I very much admire this companies = previous products, am exited to see what this might be, and far from = suggesting some features that will just make it similar to what I = currently like and am into, I am psyched to wait and see what new and = groovy options these guys have thought up that doesn't fit the current = looper mold. I dont want another repeater, or a hardware = mobius.

Mark
 Hey Mark, their not hating = the player their hating  the game. I'm also tired of the over = hyping of new products and claims of being the best but I'm also excited = about any new looping product coming out particularly  if it does = new things as well as  things  I want it to = do.
 Bill
 
= --Apple-Mail-1--552982668-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 21:56:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 131E33BE8B; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=VzATviMjZ/dgWCSKGXSIz+dTZUG/TB++qZGcQY+hHoEcQ5bcm/zFxhLVYvaVldnfVoXr5Y7OpNSa2D6giTfIfc54pehK1EIA/kdlgWNpiy7uF9Pg0fru1uRsTITglh4znilQJf3LzQFE29GU/ji3DiBXlh2lU0SXMdhXLRCW0E8= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1284846973; bh=usOlDU0ix4znkO6+GwsdGBIx4ZrbzlGGf9nYP3ialrA=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=r9xCL3owEp5OcjnoBX/Dq+repC96iKzsO5X+UDDRLTF2Wzpv9PcJZ6tWYzT1zM21qAEDb1nt6TCIpE3iB1BeaUtc1yrfPsAz8Z1LaY9nfVCSfiUk4WFUPLdElHT7Ycp4R9HGhw5EmQBw9cnTSqQWtCeIt3v4JpUkLHbGj9qJe1Q= X-Yahoo-SMTP: bp2iQ_WswBAqvmkedBWRh1x8POYZawg97xmdpCVZdN.C9.Pf32c_EWau9juk X-YMail-OSG: IUrQp34VM1mwsy6Rjr0eJOI6FkVG2hsIcsytjfjc62ZxWtQ K_Jk6mi0gWs0lka9hMTpTyYnBGuZdMcCT.r4hT1GOTf56OPxKE0GJmlMb0AL IOdIcATjOEpFsGqFHGlWErYc8W0aTo0AADRbuQRlbQh47WyfnskqwvWzAOC1 RDMyLcYtfzEToBRUnBr1LcoR_MDbSJLMYfFu6C_NsMkJ.H4sE6Zy86xnzQvE YfMxW9kr1F12sw6VsAizr2fOI4facG44BBdJK6HjN6A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--550389717 Message-Id: <8216F2CC-2472-4A7A-A320-4574172FF52E@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Livestream loop performance right now (Stream spam) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:56:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:56:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--550389717 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks Ricky - our friend Jim Goodin is on in 5 mins http:// cafenoodle.ning.com/ Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 18 Sep 2010, at 16:46, Ricky Graham wrote: > I joined up. Cool concept. > > Ricky > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Matt Stevens > wrote: >> Watching a great ambient soundscape cello/guitar loop set from Mr >> Steve >> Moyes http://cafenoodle.ning.com/ #cafenoodle - our man Rainer is >> on in >> 40minutes with lots of loopers streaming today and tomorrow from >> across the >> world :) >> >> Matt Stevens >> www.mattstevensguitar.com >> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >> >> >> >> > --Apple-Mail-4--550389717 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Thanks Ricky - our friend Jim Goodin is on in 5 mins http://cafenoodle.ning.com/ 
mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com




On 18 Sep 2010, = at 16:46, Ricky Graham wrote:

I joined up. Cool concept.


On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Matt = Stevens
Watching a great ambient soundscape cello/guitar = loop set from Mr Steve
Moyes http://cafenoodle.ning.com/ = #cafenoodle - our man Rainer is on in
world :)

Matt = Stevens






= --Apple-Mail-4--550389717-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 22:21:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77E133BE8C; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100918154637.3E4663BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--548871403 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Was: Dissing the Repeater's Varispeed Now: Fuzzy repeater Memorys. Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:21:30 -0700 References: <20100918154637.3E4663BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:21:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--548871403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was using a lexicon Jamman I bought in 1994 ( I believe, I did say the word fuzzy)fulfilling until my bother bought me a Repeater the year they came out. Rick had received a very generous gift from a long time friend and passed along his good fortune to me with the Repeater, one of the most unique experiences I had using it was the time I did a gig with Rick at 21 Grand in Oakland. I didn't play a looping set in the traditional sense with Rick, rather I re-triggered and re contextualized the loops he was creating with his RPTR by manipulating them with my GK equipped baritone strat , Gr30 and my floor controller, time stretching them, pitch shifting them and even playing them like melodies. Though not the most artistically fulfilling experience for me personally (what can I say, i like to play), it was never the less really fun, and opens up some really interesting possibilities of interaction , a great example being how Andrew and Michael from Darkroom interact where one guy does the playing and the other does the looping and sample manipulation. Bill > --Apple-Mail-3--548871403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 I was =  using a lexicon Jamman I bought in 1994 ( I believe, I did say the = word fuzzy)fulfilling until my bother bought me a Repeater the year they = came out. Rick had received a very generous gift from a long time friend = and passed along his good fortune to me with the Repeater, one of the = most unique experiences I had using it was the time I did a gig with = Rick at 21 Grand in Oakland. I didn't play a looping set in the = traditional sense with Rick, rather I re-triggered and re contextualized = the loops he was creating with his RPTR  by manipulating them with =  my  GK equipped baritone strat , Gr30 and my floor = controller, time stretching them, pitch shifting them and even playing = them like melodies. Though not the most artistically fulfilling = experience for me  personally (what can I say, i like to play), it = was never the less really fun, and opens up some really interesting = possibilities of interaction , a great example being how Andrew and = Michael from Darkroom interact where one guy does the playing and the = other does the looping and sample = manipulation.
Bill


= --Apple-Mail-3--548871403-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 18 22:38:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 663C03BE8B; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C953FF6.4080100@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 00:40:54 +0200 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 from 220 to 115 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Louie Angulo wrote: > Hi gang, > has anyone taken their fcb1010 from europe to the U.S.?i take it i have > to change the fuse, since i dont see a power selector anywhere on it, > where did you get the fuse and can you find it anywhere overthere like > Radio Shack or Home Depot? > thanx > Luis Adding to Per's comment, you can also convert it to use phantom power through a 7-pin cable (instructions on the net), and feed it from your rig using an international voltage wallwart. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 00:26:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22C363BE90; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 00:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: <739e2.7944357e.39c6b29a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:26:02 EDT Subject: stage solution needed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_739e2.7944357e.39c6b29a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.5 sub 185 X-AOL-IP: 96.255.218.99 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Violindave@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 00:26:09 +0000 (UTC) --part1_739e2.7944357e.39c6b29a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Want to use a Roland SDE 1000 and Lexicon Vortex in my stage set up. Looking for a solution that will bring them into reasonable reach on stage and slanted so I can view and adjust parameters as needed suggestions? --part1_739e2.7944357e.39c6b29a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Want to use a Roland SDE 1000 and Lexicon Vortex in my stage set up.&= nbsp;=20 Looking for a solution that will bring them into reasonable reach on stage= and=20 slanted so I can view and adjust parameters as needed
 
suggestions?
 --part1_739e2.7944357e.39c6b29a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 01:56:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 978303BE8F; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 01:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QgfE0XC2gQQeSvISruEIpdDJifGsujNL4GV0tWigYKo=; b=HtRfzNyIBvzHtrmP+LHTwOsNASIJJ6hUBaM48XjIcJ1P+a/J/LxzsBJ7eHLXBowaWR WEEmsbz+OLAo5Y3Jmh6aaWWVBIWmm5o3DTYHlbvBXeuQBvw2LiZY+g23hQ0ihKPDaHVT cRatDYEv08bPDsJFWbVGmIFOwA3YDdhz1iq+A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=NuqmsbnNwQ355KcwJuASepvvvJRh7bD4tjFlG9ZF874rG8Sk4DGJKZaw/9NUcZMQ2p edrZxIDlx7t+m8B+Oylq+9P/yTWHZGA7iW8GDe9f9hxLoqVe0MTp2SRnXdKOyFTjQFZF +GN6rcIL34lX5ykXvKYRzj+zSm0Yxf0Z5kces= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:56:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517510d0031fb7c0490931b6a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 01:56:38 +0000 (UTC) --001517510d0031fb7c0490931b6a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 did you have the same problem with midiclock or just the same problem with their forum? when eventide's help was via mail list italo was always a big help. i don't think he's on the eclipse forum. if all else fails i'll just call tech support. they've always been helpful but i've never called with this kind of problem...they'll probably just redirect me to the forum! - jim On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > same here James,their forums suck really,they dont seem to be planning on > another update either... > Luis > > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:39 PM, james fowler wrote: > >> anybody out there having a hard time getting their eventide to follow >> incoming midi clock? to be more specific: the tempo button (and >> corresponding bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get >> the tempo-based modulations to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting >> all over the place and thereby rendering it useless. plogue bidule is >> generating the clock, btw. >> >> any and all help is appreciated. i've gotten no love from both plogue's >> and eventide's forums. >> >> - jim >> > > --001517510d0031fb7c0490931b6a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable did you have the same problem with midiclock or just the same problem with = their forum?=A0 when eventide's help was via mail list italo was always= a big help.=A0 i don't think he's on the eclipse forum.=A0 if all = else fails i'll just call tech support.=A0 they've always been help= ful but i've never called with this kind of problem...they'll proba= bly just redirect me to the forum!

- jim

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 1:57 PM= , Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
same here James,their forums suck really,they dont seem to be planning on a= nother update either...
Luis


On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:39 PM, james fowler <= twostroke@gmail.com> wrote:
anybody out there= having a hard time getting their eventide to follow incoming midi clock?= =A0 to be more specific: the tempo button (and corresponding bpm values) ar= e spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get the tempo-based modulatio= ns to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting all over the place and t= hereby rendering it useless.=A0 plogue bidule is generating the clock, btw.=

any and all help is appreciated.=A0 i've gotten no love from both p= logue's and eventide's forums.

- jim


--001517510d0031fb7c0490931b6a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 03:26:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 856983BE8C; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 03:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 03:26:04 UTC Message-id: From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:27:06 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <9lTy1D.A.vCF.MLYlMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 03:26:04 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 18, 2010, at 8:56 PM, james fowler wrote: > did you have the same problem with midiclock or just the same > problem with their forum? when eventide's help was via mail list > italo was always a big help. i don't think he's on the eclipse forum. Italo's there--or at least he used to be. He'd always answer my questions. Now they have some other guys helping as well. If Italo's no longer there, it's news to me. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 07:46:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88C6A3BE8D; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 497859175/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.31.148/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.31.148 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgBAA5dlUxYbR+U/2dsb2JhbAAHlBExzSSFQQSNLA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,388,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="497859175" Message-ID: <4C95BFD9.5070102@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 08:46:33 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stage solution needed References: <739e2.7944357e.39c6b29a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <739e2.7944357e.39c6b29a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Violindave@aol.com wrote: > Want to use a Roland SDE 1000 and Lexicon Vortex in my stage set up. > Looking for a solution that will bring them into reasonable reach on > stage and slanted so I can view and adjust parameters as needed > > suggestions? There will will many... even now the psychic LDers are trying to divine whether you sit down while playing, and what your requirements are for quick setup, vs ease of transportation. Answer could be as simple as a couple of pieces of that non-slip rubbery stuff. (my ultra-light weight method for gigging with rack units) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 08:53:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5F543BE89; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 08:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=s8HhWU8X2CaAc204v27uFevCosmFgF9bBnblw32FDlI=; b=C5kXVC2ZsqqfqbMFtTbyXga3WqH8GXG2VdDD/1ALsgT0xpl78u4MkhkZuVeBqPy77p 826lX/fjamDe6XyzZQgg4U8AmUElYYcYP0Q2Qbm7a2f/sFZUKRi3cxoiVAveP3MI6hn0 GuKss+mcvHp91iWxfb57IMIt5extF9iACne1E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xc/q+AmFTpDwyijE8JVProcDMFze4l2e+RWXh3dtjqlbcyf7Ag3NpxoStlfLI9vyU4 vuBWbXGpdBBBHK9u/nYE8HKvtfbURCILUYyKzeukeN/1eWfiDNQfnRyaTFmp5fxBoGQo NrheTX68iC9EscOGlPa2MlvmxQYzyaGwqJ2F8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:53:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e88756550b0b9049098ef2d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 08:53:53 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e88756550b0b9049098ef2d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well i stop posting in the forum because it took ages for them to come up with the update and it dint adress a lot of the issues people were talking about after the last update the tap tempo via midi problem was corrected but if i recall i could not get the mod effects to sync either, though i did not test them long enough i was also hoping that the looper would also sync to midi clock but never did,that would have been awesome the other issue is that one of the switch buttons is starting to crap out ,big dissapointment because i bought it new and i ve never used that much for that to happen the thing does sound nice though cheers Luis On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:56 AM, james fowler wrote: > did you have the same problem with midiclock or just the same problem with > their forum? when eventide's help was via mail list italo was always a big > help. i don't think he's on the eclipse forum. if all else fails i'll just > call tech support. they've always been helpful but i've never called with > this kind of problem...they'll probably just redirect me to the forum! > > - jim > > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Louie Angulo > wrote: > >> same here James,their forums suck really,they dont seem to be planning on >> another update either... >> Luis >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:39 PM, james fowler wrote: >> >>> anybody out there having a hard time getting their eventide to follow >>> incoming midi clock? to be more specific: the tempo button (and >>> corresponding bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get >>> the tempo-based modulations to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting >>> all over the place and thereby rendering it useless. plogue bidule is >>> generating the clock, btw. >>> >>> any and all help is appreciated. i've gotten no love from both plogue's >>> and eventide's forums. >>> >>> - jim >>> >> >> > --e0cb4e88756550b0b9049098ef2d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well i stop posting in the forum because it took ages for them to come up w= ith the update and it dint adress a lot of the issues people were talking a= bout
=A0after the last update the tap tempo via midi problem was correct= ed but if i recall i could not get the mod effects to sync either, though i= did not test them long enough
i was also hoping that the looper would also sync to midi clock but never d= id,that would have been awesome
the other issue is that one of the switc= h buttons is starting to crap out ,big dissapointment because i bought it n= ew and i ve never used that much for that to happen
the thing does sound nice though
cheers
Luis

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:56 AM, james fowler &= lt;twostroke@gmail.com> wrote:
did you have the = same problem with midiclock or just the same problem with their forum?=A0 w= hen eventide's help was via mail list italo was always a big help.=A0 i= don't think he's on the eclipse forum.=A0 if all else fails i'= ll just call tech support.=A0 they've always been helpful but i've = never called with this kind of problem...they'll probably just redirect= me to the forum!

- jim


On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@g= ooglemail.com> wrote:
same here James,their forums suck really,they dont seem to be planning on a= nother update either...
Luis


On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:39 PM, james fowler <twostroke@gma= il.com> wrote:
anybody out there= having a hard time getting their eventide to follow incoming midi clock?= =A0 to be more specific: the tempo button (and corresponding bpm values) ar= e spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get the tempo-based modulatio= ns to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting all over the place and t= hereby rendering it useless.=A0 plogue bidule is generating the clock, btw.=

any and all help is appreciated.=A0 i've gotten no love from both p= logue's and eventide's forums.

- jim



--e0cb4e88756550b0b9049098ef2d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 09:03:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D74453BE87; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ses8j/8UT+hgnj9Ohzikhwzj8G0FNFIyaY4INETrK2M=; b=SIJZiE5dgfGAN5bAuDZ7EzrgTqEPXjeMTdYs966tot0EGvtY0XZwSfho4bC0vrw8Ni lUy4BFKmAPwZx+VyeJ3oQITkAzEQnvk+w6SsqXcXzwxxdvPaYZjB/n1MFaA7LPrxqy7V VjbgcrBdKwAKT/Jg62LdcpWor3FsxRM3ZKQkE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=sLNBvQvOs330yz5BovZAled8OuJsmhYNgjVZAIKnl1eqYZWmhK6n48XdKY7A8W0dLw 6IyPtTBDpAS6zl12YZf5Q+w/eMI6shZFIrLGdZY75+zhylXn0FQ2TC59bVVFZ0nmB49t fknuRzgnymwnMcDus8+EpgyEFvqvoVdQ4Ob9M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C953FF6.4080100@post.cybercity.dk> References: <4C953FF6.4080100@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:03:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCB1010 from 220 to 115 From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016369f9dde4f6f880490991376 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:03:55 +0000 (UTC) --0016369f9dde4f6f880490991376 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes i was inquiring about this,can you direct me to that????who does this mod? i Think Zoe said she had hers done but the pedals had to be excluded from the unit which i dont want unless i understood that wrong cheers Luis On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:40 AM, van Sinn wrote: > Louie Angulo wrote: > >> Hi gang, >> has anyone taken their fcb1010 from europe to the U.S.?i take it i have to >> change the fuse, since i dont see a power selector anywhere on it, where did >> you get the fuse and can you find it anywhere overthere like Radio Shack or >> Home Depot? >> thanx >> Luis >> > > > Adding to Per's comment, you can also convert it to use phantom power > through a 7-pin cable (instructions on the net), and feed it from your rig > using an international voltage wallwart. > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > > --0016369f9dde4f6f880490991376 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes i was inquiring about this,can you direct me to that????who does this m= od? i Think Zoe said she had hers done but the pedals had to be excluded fr= om the unit which i dont want unless i understood that wrong
cheers
Luis

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:40 AM, va= n Sinn <v= ansinn@post.cybercity.dk> wrote:
Louie Angulo wrote:
Hi gang,
has anyone taken their fcb1010 from europe to the U.S.?i take it i have to = change the fuse, since i dont see a power selector anywhere on it, where di= d you get the fuse and can you find it anywhere overthere like Radio Shack = or Home Depot?
thanx
Luis


Adding to Per's comment, you can also convert it to use phantom power t= hrough a 7-pin cable (instructions on the net), and feed it from your rig u= sing an international voltage wallwart.

--
rgds,
van Sinn


--0016369f9dde4f6f880490991376-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 10:51:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 072843BE8C; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C95EB16.9040008@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 03:51:02 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "loopers >> \"LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)\"" Subject: Fuzzy repeater Memorys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Wow, Bill, I had completely forgotten about that gig we did together at the 21 Grand, but it recalls a mode of improvisation I've done a lot in shows where one artist merely plays and another artist only manipulates what the person is playing. I did a festival called the Festival of Voice and Electronics where I paired 10 different really excellent singers form disparate traditions (concertizing opera singers to death metal singers; tuvan overtone singers to industrial beat boxers) and had three different people (me, Bill and Miko B) processing each 10 minute solo acapella piece with loopers and electronic processing. The results were really amazing. I love this juxtaposition where two people contribute to an improv but the instrumentalist can't control what the 'processor' throws back at them nor can the processor control what the instrumentalist plays. Pre looping, I used to have a favorite game with several sophisticated 5 or 6 string bassists, where I malleted their bass while they could only control the harmony of the strings I played.............usually I asked them to give me one open drone string..................the results are so cool and sound completely unlike any bassist you've ever heard because two people are double time the creativity. and, lastly, I really need to get my repeater fixed. I really miss using it. I also hope that someday, Bill, you will put one or two of the best Repeater improvs you developed out onto a CD for posterity's sake. The work you did with it was really inspiring to me at the time (just as your work with the LP-1 is so inspiring to me now)..............now if I could just settle on the right damn midi controller to control it all. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 12:10:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9A1B3BE8F; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:10:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=asB1vA8UdYFK79WZp54PzdxB6p9yWMKqjeuKa7GV1R4=; b=utEGyqeWPFA0rvahe96Q9PxvYzjYYBTal7/SbdZqIn0ZCZUj1690m8KQDL1gNFgRPi lr9I+mTHLAK/MAcypo6AeZUsbbfJb28dncPMUoCV8cT4sZ2mFVYhqFrYFO/OoYD5IoGW NCLoYV2CnHVsysQVP5R6IXdMp/KqorIjZWUR8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=vHicnlcxOHst7H2hiuwXfRb+JdoslTTdwk3pzTQCbXCQOzjpkPOknVug6Ua6HGNjQs nSBGh8j7YFgjMUFUcMXwBtTbymwRkwFbPZzrTnoOoK3cliuc6p8dl/F5B6s/ppNd2z+8 sr4Hkv6bIgHBOKbWFGRbs8+tbQRtt0nl7ncXo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C95EB16.9040008@cruzio.com> References: <4C95EB16.9040008@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:09:48 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 69Bc-Xfg4zNm6xYNhsWxZWXU7ks Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fuzzy repeater Memorys To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016361e7f3244fe7f04909bad30 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:10:08 +0000 (UTC) --0016361e7f3244fe7f04909bad30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to try this again sometime... I am mostely using the 16 note sequencer on my FX303 to send to the repeater, and I HAVE tried the GR30 on the pitch.,... but i have to admit Ive not had the success that Bill is famous for... I know he talks about the arpegiator sending midi notes to it= , but I just cant get this to work, somehow the arpegg sequence is internal o= n my machine, some setting I have no doubt. Plus I never could figure out how one could switch this on an off during a performance (without Live-Repatching, another genre that I am a member of, mostly modular synth based) but then I read in Bills post... midi patchbay.. of course!! Course = I dont have one so... What I have had success at is the FX303 sending CCs, and triggering that way, except that as Im often setting this number live, I often accidentally go PAST a CC I didnt want and set the repeater to some weird mode, (like MUTE channels- so not so weird really) and have a lovely couple of hours wondering why the repeater aint working... I love the "swoop" that the peter does, as it finds the pitch.. till I used it in a recording, and decided that I cant really use it too often again... another wonderful peter trick that becomes unusable by overuse... funny I dont get that with EDP.. I certainlu overuse SUSSUB, but it only makes me want to do it MORE!!! I just love that retro 8 note sequener thing so much.. I loved it when Tang Dream did it, I loved it when DAF did it, I even love it in Disco (Donna Summer I feel love (ok 4note) Now with EDP,.. its all I do!!! clich=E9 but cool! I also hope that someday, Bill, you will put one or two of the best > Repeater improvs you developed out > onto a CD for posterity's sake. The work you did with it was really > inspiring to me at the time (just as your > work with the LP-1 is so inspiring to me now)..............now if I could > just settle on the right damn midi controller > to control it all. > > post them BIll NOW!! I must hear!!! mark --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016361e7f3244fe7f04909bad30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to try this again sometime... I am mostely using the 16 note sequenc= er on my FX303 to send to the repeater, and I HAVE tried the GR30 on the pi= tch.,... but i have to admit Ive not had the success that Bill is famous fo= r... I know he talks about the arpegiator sending midi notes to it, but I j= ust cant get this to work, somehow the arpegg sequence is internal on my ma= chine, some setting I have no doubt. Plus I never could figure out how one = could switch this on an off during a performance (without Live-Repatching, = another genre that I am a member of, mostly modular synth based) but then I= read in Bills post... midi patchbay.. of course!! Course I dont have one s= o...

What I have had success at is the FX303 sending CCs, and tri= ggering that way, except that as Im often setting this number live, I often= accidentally go PAST a CC I didnt want and set the repeater to some weird = mode, (like MUTE=A0channels- so not so weird really) =A0and have a lovely c= ouple of hours wondering why the repeater aint working...

I love the "swoop" that the peter does, as it= finds the pitch.. till I used it in a recording, and decided that I cant r= eally use it too often again... another wonderful peter trick that becomes = unusable by overuse...

funny I dont get that with EDP.. I certainlu overuse SU= SSUB, but it only makes me want to do it MORE!!! I just love that retro 8 n= ote sequener thing so much.. I loved it when Tang Dream did it, I loved it = when DAF did it, I even love it in Disco (Donna Summer I feel love (ok 4not= e)

Now with EDP,.. its all I do!!! clich=E9 but cool!

I also hope that someday, Bill, =A0you will put one or two of the best Repe= ater improvs you developed out
onto a CD for posterity's sake. =A0 =A0The work you did with it was rea= lly inspiring to me at the time (just as your
work with the LP-1 is so inspiring to me now)..............now if I could j= ust settle on the right damn midi controller
to control it all.


post them BIll NOW!! I must hear!!!

--0016361e7f3244fe7f04909bad30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 14:35:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B15413BE8D; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: <84b62.12480aa5.39c779b4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:35:32 EDT Subject: Re: stage solution needed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_84b62.12480aa5.39c779b4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.5 sub 185 X-AOL-IP: 96.255.218.99 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Violindave@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:35:41 +0000 (UTC) --part1_84b62.12480aa5.39c779b4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I generally just float above the stage ;) Actually for guitars I sit, for fiddle I stand, or can sit if needed, but prefer to stand. Have a large pedal board also in front of me I do not want to velcro my amp/cab. Need it to be pretty easy setup, and it will need to be secure for transportation. Dave --part1_84b62.12480aa5.39c779b4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I generally just float above the stage ;)
Actually for guitars I sit, for fiddle I stand, or can sit if needed,= but=20 prefer to stand.
Have a large pedal board also in front of me
I do not want to velcro my amp/cab.
Need it to be pretty easy setup, and it will need to be secure for=20 transportation.
Dave
 --part1_84b62.12480aa5.39c779b4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 15:31:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E9723BE90; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=S21WGmHbe8JmMf3swacAS5JN5tyitv8Kws88sPy+UFE=; b=lggjutA7d6DTZvPTdNwQVC6z4GNt4TNvsNhoyxFKY1/GwmRiAL09KpSAvETdOduanN BBhFyIDShu+ONq3p1eSsNdstpd0GSl6lpMzFwcNp2sWBHroX0eEQKbjX3hkhdf+NMA+U O2YVWiK9I4HcG4f8whPfw23ne7iGF6rNn6XtM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=W0y7DFhITnJvNoRkKE3WSua7cLv1U1PcY56pqVa5cPHjdDWiEFCjNGS62UXLL9OLgO ScCtSZ0OOhthNMYiJWM/KLHk2eav9q+jluyd/IuQ2hhthqmjJsTKWMdaogbCLiSgztDa gL7zjwXxc9IdWm/lXrO0wpxhdiuEmTV9l+2Co= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:31:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6b17e6e7ac304909e7c0b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:31:14 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6b17e6e7ac304909e7c0b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 italo is still there but i think he monitors the forums for the bigger machines. he was always extremely helpful. nick rose appears to be the guy for the eclipse forum. i had 4.0 beta installed and it did all kinds of weird stuff to a LOT of the programs i was using so i had to revert back to 3.51. anyhow, just installed 4.01 and it seems to have addressed the problem. miraculously the t_rate is now modulating along with the system tempo. something else i noticed: previously the tap tempo light would flash on the one and now it's flashing every quarter note. hmm... i've never fucked around with the looper...lemme see if it gives me the same problem that you're getting. and you're right: it does sound nice. VERY nice. this is my second eventide machine and i just don't think i can live without them. kinda wish i had the $$$ for the h7600 ; ) - jim On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Well i stop posting in the forum because it took ages for them to come up > with the update and it dint adress a lot of the issues people were talking > about > after the last update the tap tempo via midi problem was corrected but if > i recall i could not get the mod effects to sync either, though i did not > test them long enough > i was also hoping that the looper would also sync to midi clock but never > did,that would have been awesome > the other issue is that one of the switch buttons is starting to crap out > ,big dissapointment because i bought it new and i ve never used that much > for that to happen > the thing does sound nice though > cheers > Luis > > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:56 AM, james fowler wrote: > >> did you have the same problem with midiclock or just the same problem with >> their forum? when eventide's help was via mail list italo was always a big >> help. i don't think he's on the eclipse forum. if all else fails i'll just >> call tech support. they've always been helpful but i've never called with >> this kind of problem...they'll probably just redirect me to the forum! >> >> - jim >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Louie Angulo < >> louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> same here James,their forums suck really,they dont seem to be planning on >>> another update either... >>> Luis >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:39 PM, james fowler wrote: >>> >>>> anybody out there having a hard time getting their eventide to follow >>>> incoming midi clock? to be more specific: the tempo button (and >>>> corresponding bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get >>>> the tempo-based modulations to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting >>>> all over the place and thereby rendering it useless. plogue bidule is >>>> generating the clock, btw. >>>> >>>> any and all help is appreciated. i've gotten no love from both plogue's >>>> and eventide's forums. >>>> >>>> - jim >>>> >>> >>> >> > --000e0cd6b17e6e7ac304909e7c0b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable italo is still there but i think he monitors the forums for the bigger mach= ines.=A0 he was always extremely helpful.=A0 nick rose appears to be the gu= y for the eclipse forum.=A0

i had 4.0 beta installed and it did all= kinds of weird stuff to a LOT of the programs i was using so i had to reve= rt back to 3.51.=A0 anyhow, just installed 4.01 and it seems to have addres= sed the problem.=A0 miraculously the t_rate is now modulating along with th= e system tempo.=A0 something else i noticed: previously the tap tempo light= would flash on the one and now it's flashing every quarter note.=A0 hm= m...

i've never fucked around with the looper...lemme see if it gives me= the same problem that you're getting.

and you're right: it = does sound nice.=A0 VERY nice.=A0 this is my second eventide machine and i = just don't think i can live without them.=A0 kinda wish i had the $$$ f= or the h7600 ; )

- jim

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:53 AM= , Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
Well i stop posting in the forum because it took ages for them to come up w= ith the update and it dint adress a lot of the issues people were talking a= bout
=A0after the last update the tap tempo via midi problem was correct= ed but if i recall i could not get the mod effects to sync either, though i= did not test them long enough
i was also hoping that the looper would also sync to midi clock but never d= id,that would have been awesome
the other issue is that one of the switc= h buttons is starting to crap out ,big dissapointment because i bought it n= ew and i ve never used that much for that to happen
the thing does sound nice though
cheers
Luis


On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:56 AM= , james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com> wrote:
did you have the = same problem with midiclock or just the same problem with their forum?=A0 w= hen eventide's help was via mail list italo was always a big help.=A0 i= don't think he's on the eclipse forum.=A0 if all else fails i'= ll just call tech support.=A0 they've always been helpful but i've = never called with this kind of problem...they'll probably just redirect= me to the forum!

- jim


On Sat, Se= p 18, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com= > wrote:
same here James,their forums suck really,they dont seem to be planning on a= nother update either...
Luis


On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:39 PM, james fowler <twostroke@gma= il.com> wrote:
anybody out there= having a hard time getting their eventide to follow incoming midi clock?= =A0 to be more specific: the tempo button (and corresponding bpm values) ar= e spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get the tempo-based modulatio= ns to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting all over the place and t= hereby rendering it useless.=A0 plogue bidule is generating the clock, btw.=

any and all help is appreciated.=A0 i've gotten no love from both p= logue's and eventide's forums.

- jim




--000e0cd6b17e6e7ac304909e7c0b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 16:55:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 863F43BE8E; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 16:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4C95EB16.9040008@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Fuzzy repeater Memorys Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:55:13 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.240.99.46 In-Reply-To: <4C95EB16.9040008@cruzio.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32679-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD26328FC22420-1F88-22BC9@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 16:55:27 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker <>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 we did that at the infamous EAST/WEST festival.....:)m=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 16:59:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10AD63BE8E; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 16:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1200 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 16:58:59 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1284914339; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=58OiihYfhVDnYC7HZ23h9DGU/9s=; b=IiqVZOHVvmg5gtUHnG+O97UdCp5ANNJKLstAJMkUOdkDNZ25x4WYh2KUMe0pd3Yo 9+W3AF4HNZFlhrpc2+83Szxv0s73feM0EBF4pI+05kqD0rVpJSVwh4KQgXeQlSI9; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=nprmzHsRrLpxjNdoFctFPdqsLCTKCHILVU9PD2DjMOI= c=1 sm=0 a=4vynfKSfiqsA:10 a=RFACXqeuRcftB78yd8Y3cg==:17 a=J4DssHDwbzqT08eTlV0A:9 a=WGLb2kVZmEW2ZuSmOz1ysM89q5kA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=dVXoYhxqA44HfFtsMtIA:9 a=OQ2wj_dslwKJVdcvgDAA:7 a=NSCaiSO1o3RrSUVHDRqSYeE0x0MA:4 a=RFACXqeuRcftB78yd8Y3cg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) From: "ejyuhas" Message-ID: <5E.AE.26129.3AC369C4@smtp01.embarq.synacor.com> To: Subject: OT: Laptops for general use & music? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:39:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01CB57F7.A4F80F50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: ActYGSuPMDDv6Fn+QA6pWbv+Sa2OyQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 16:58:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CB57F7.A4F80F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow loopists, I've seen this discussion before regarding laptop use for running all of your effects, looping, etc. But what are some of you using for reliable laptops that cover all your bases, meaning your workhorse, email, surfing, as well as using some programs like Soundplant, iTunes and/or desktop recording with an interface and Reason, or any other acceptable programs? I'm currently shopping and have been looking at the following laptops (but I'm open to suggestion): HP Pavilion series Dell Inspiron Sony VAIO Which of these are you guys/gals using and are there any reliability issues, or features I would benefit from? Most "bang for your buck"? You can email me privately, if this has been a beaten horsie. Regards, Edward ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CB57F7.A4F80F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fellow loopists,

 

I’ve seen this discussion before regarding = laptop use for running all of your effects, looping, = etc.

 

But what are some of you using for reliable laptops = that cover all your bases, meaning your workhorse, email, surfing, as well as = using some programs like Soundplant, iTunes and/or desktop recording with an interface and Reason, or any other acceptable = programs?

 

I’m currently shopping and have been looking at = the following laptops (but I’m open to = suggestion):

 

HP Pavilion series

Dell Inspiron

Sony VAIO

 

Which of these are you guys/gals using and are there = any reliability issues, or features I would benefit from? Most “bang for your = buck”?

 

You can email me privately, if this has been a beaten = horsie…

 

Regards,

 

Edward

------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CB57F7.A4F80F50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 17:04:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE0C13BE90; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6ba71be7-ba12-41f8-b0b2-9237686db3b5_" X-Originating-IP: [86.146.141.18] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT: Laptops for general use & music? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:04:30 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5E.AE.26129.3AC369C4@smtp01.embarq.synacor.com> References: <5E.AE.26129.3AC369C4@smtp01.embarq.synacor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2010 17:04:30.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[B974A8B0:01CB581C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:04:32 +0000 (UTC) --_6ba71be7-ba12-41f8-b0b2-9237686db3b5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a VAIO and I HATE it! Sony ceased to support my model 18 months after I bought it and needed to = change os to win7.... =20 Peace=20 =20 G =20 From: ejyuhas@embarqmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Laptops for general use & music? Date: Sun=2C 19 Sep 2010 12:39:04 -0400 Fellow loopists=2C =20 I=92ve seen this discussion before regarding laptop use for running all of = your effects=2C looping=2C etc. =20 But what are some of you using for reliable laptops that cover all your bas= es=2C meaning your workhorse=2C email=2C surfing=2C as well as using some p= rograms like Soundplant=2C iTunes and/or desktop recording with an interfac= e and Reason=2C or any other acceptable programs? =20 I=92m currently shopping and have been looking at the following laptops (bu= t I=92m open to suggestion): =20 HP Pavilion series Dell Inspiron Sony VAIO =20 Which of these are you guys/gals using and are there any reliability issues= =2C or features I would benefit from? Most =93bang for your buck=94? =20 You can email me privately=2C if this has been a beaten horsie=85 =20 Regards=2C =20 Edward = --_6ba71be7-ba12-41f8-b0b2-9237686db3b5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a VAIO and I HATE it!
Sony =3B =3Bceased to support my model 18 months after I bought it = and needed to change os to win7....
 =3B
Peace
 =3B
G
 =3B
From: ejyuhas@embarqmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
= Subject: OT: Laptops for general use &=3B music?
Date: Sun=2C 19 Sep = 2010 12:39:04 -0400

Fellow loopists=2C

 =3B

I=92ve seen this discussion before regarding= laptop use for running all of your effects=2C looping=2C etc.

 =3B

But what are some of you using for reliable = laptops that cover all your bases=2C meaning your workhorse=2C email=2C sur= fing=2C as well as using some programs like Soundplant=2C iTunes and/or des= ktop recording with an interface and Reason=2C or any other acceptable prog= rams?

 =3B

I=92m currently shopping and have been looki= ng at the following laptops (but I=92m open to suggestion):

 =3B

HP Pavilion series

Dell Inspiron

Sony VAIO

 =3B

Which of these are you guys/gals using and a= re there any reliability issues=2C or features I would benefit from? Most = =93bang for your buck=94?

 =3B

You can email me privately=2C if this has be= en a beaten horsie=85

 =3B

Regards=2C

 =3B

Edward

= --_6ba71be7-ba12-41f8-b0b2-9237686db3b5_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 18:47:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC5B03BE8D; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C965AA5.9090101@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:47:01 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: fuzzy Repeater memorys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:47:09 +0000 (UTC) m klobi wrote: <> "we did that at the infamous EAST/WEST festival....." Oh my god! Blasts from the past. I had forgotten that one, too How many live looping senior moments can one have in a day? How many live looping senior moments can one have in a day? How many live looping senior moments can one have in a day? How many live looping senior moments can one have in a day? How many live looping senior moments can one have in a day? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 19:36:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A40A3BE8A; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MbkVIsKLm/dLvI/aK/T1U7XJy8qQdt0bciMzo2+GicI=; b=m0TW4GEC+JdQDVV2m+h6Ojp4+aCQcREbzpfHZ0mazzM3DfdqiTIuc5TY45zhmXItaT GKOngK+kJBc4Os/aw17ZxJbjcHL1hm6YSEy4lXidosjp6DWmpxefmZM6FmS1PdhJ7UDj GByjXycKICoh8mkz9WZ/B3CbNVvuut8eu8oWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=izLfAuAOBSuEOYLROQdkuNOMWnIbLbmJkf+fSsgIvPpvNUKD7W9uHKz5Ln2+lMEAqb fylvJK0/HoqsAhWXclayTslLQPhEezo8ju4HZCl1tkUv5bD4Fg0kguEq2zyObywvMP92 3zCZGavYnuUnWYpgBiidTHh8r9of4k5Momn1I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5E.AE.26129.3AC369C4@smtp01.embarq.synacor.com> References: <5E.AE.26129.3AC369C4@smtp01.embarq.synacor.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:36:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Laptops for general use & music? From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c59a318c583a0490a1e859 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:36:13 +0000 (UTC) --001636c59a318c583a0490a1e859 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Edward, Recommending a Windows laptop for music is a bit of a minefield. IMHO the Apple MacBook Pro has the best hardware configuration whether you are running Windows or MacOS. However, it's expensive. I have an Acer Extensa that I'm happy with. I returned two Dell Inspirons because they used a chipset that didn't work well with my Line6 USB audio interface. The chipset is very important if you use a USB or Firewire audio interface, as it's the part on the motherboard that coordinates the data flow between the cpu and the audio interface. A bad chipset will result in dropouts, glitches and high latency settings. It can be difficult to discern from the specifications, but the TI chipset is preferred for most USB and Firewire audio interfaces. The Ricoh chipset of the Dell Inspirons that I tried did very poorly with my USB interface. I'd suggest you start with which interface you want to use, and then go to the forum for that specific audio interface to see which laptops people hav= e had good success with. When you're ready to buy the laptop, check the return policy to make sure you can return it if it doesn't work out. Even after you've done some research, you can still end up with a laptop that doesn't work well for music. Dell was very good about taking two returns in a row. So even though I can't recommend their laptops, their return policy gets a thumbs up! As for specs, you'll probably have the best luck for musical applications with an Intel i5 or i7 cpu (though the AMD models and previous Intel processors can certainly work well). Most new computers come with Windows 7= , it's not important which flavor of Windows 7, they are all a good music OS. Lots of RAM is good, 3 or 4 Gb. I'm running 32bit Windows 7, because at tha= t time ableton live didn't work well with a 64 bit OS. If I were installing the OS today, I'd probably install 64 bit Windows 7. Again, read the forums for your hardware and software to see if it is compatible with 64bit OS. I think 32 bit is on it's way out. If you are recording a lot of tracks, a 7200 rpm drive is good, though I find a 5400 rpm drive works great for me since I rarely have more than 4 to 6 tracks running simultaneously. I use lots of VST plugins, so cpu processing power and RAM seems to make the most difference for me. As for brands, I'd broaden your choices to include Acer, Lenovo and Toshiba= , as they are more likely to use the TI chipset. That being said, I was certainly tempted to try the HP dv7 laptop with the i7 quad core processor when HP had it on sale for under $1000. techbargains.com is a good website for tracking current laptop deals. Good Luck. I'd like to hear how things work out for you. On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:39 AM, ejyuhas wrote: > Fellow loopists, > > > > I=92ve seen this discussion before regarding laptop use for running all o= f > your effects, looping, etc. > > > > But what are some of you using for reliable laptops that cover all your > bases, meaning your workhorse, email, surfing, as well as using some > programs like Soundplant, iTunes and/or desktop recording with an interfa= ce > and Reason, or any other acceptable programs? > > > > I=92m currently shopping and have been looking at the following laptops (= but > I=92m open to suggestion): > > > > HP Pavilion series > > Dell Inspiron > > Sony VAIO > > > > Which of these are you guys/gals using and are there any reliability > issues, or features I would benefit from? Most =93bang for your buck=94? > > > > You can email me privately, if this has been a beaten horsie=85 > > > > Regards, > > > > Edward > --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon --001636c59a318c583a0490a1e859 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Edward,

Recommending a Windows laptop for music is a bit of a min= efield. IMHO the Apple MacBook Pro has the best hardware configuration whet= her you are running Windows or MacOS. However, it's expensive.

I have an Acer Extensa that I'm happy with. I returned two Dell Inspiro= ns because they used a chipset that didn't work well with my Line6 USB = audio interface. The chipset is very important if you use a USB or Firewire= audio interface, as it's the part on the motherboard that coordinates = the data flow between the cpu and the audio interface. A bad chipset will r= esult in dropouts, glitches and high latency settings.

It can be difficult to discern from the specifications, but the TI chip= set is preferred for most USB and Firewire audio interfaces. The Ricoh chip= set of the Dell Inspirons that I tried did very poorly with my USB interfac= e. I'd suggest you start with which interface you want to use, and then= go to the forum for that specific audio interface to see which laptops peo= ple have had good success with.

When you're ready to buy the laptop, check the return policy to mak= e sure you can return it if it doesn't work out. Even after you've = done some research, you can still end up with a laptop that doesn't wor= k well for music. Dell was very good about taking two returns in a row. So = even though I can't recommend their laptops, their return policy gets a= thumbs up!

As for specs, you'll probably have the best luck for musical applic= ations with an Intel i5 or i7 cpu (though the AMD models and previous Intel= processors can certainly work well). Most new computers come with Windows = 7, it's not important which flavor of Windows 7, they are all a good mu= sic OS. Lots of RAM is good, 3 or 4 Gb. I'm running 32bit Windows 7, be= cause at that time ableton live didn't work well with a 64 bit OS. If I= were installing the OS today, I'd probably install 64 bit Windows 7. A= gain, read the forums for your hardware and software to see if it is compat= ible with 64bit OS. I think 32 bit is on it's way out. If you are recor= ding a lot of tracks, a 7200 rpm drive is good, though I find a 5400 rpm dr= ive works great for me since I rarely have more than 4 to 6 tracks running = simultaneously. I use lots of VST plugins, so cpu processing power and RAM = seems to make the most difference for me.

As for brands, I'd broaden your choices to include Acer, Lenovo and= Toshiba, as they are more likely to use the TI chipset. That being said, I= was certainly tempted to try the HP dv7 laptop with the i7 quad core proce= ssor when HP had it on sale for under $1000. techbargains.com is a good website for tracking current laptop de= als. Good Luck. I'd like to hear how things work out for you.

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:39 AM, ejyuhas <ejyuhas@embarq= mail.com> wrote:

Fellow loopists,

=A0

I=92ve seen this discussion before regardi= ng laptop use for running all of your effects, looping, etc.

=A0

But what are some of you using for reliabl= e laptops that cover all your bases, meaning your workhorse, email, surfing, as well as us= ing some programs like Soundplant, iTunes and/or desktop recording with an interface and Reason, or any other acceptable programs?

=A0

I=92m currently shopping and have been loo= king at the following laptops (but I=92m open to suggestion):

=A0

HP Pavilion series

Dell Inspiron

Sony VAIO

=A0

Which of these are you guys/gals using and= are there any reliability issues, or features I would benefit from? Most =93bang for your buck=94?

=A0

You can email me privately, if this has be= en a beaten horsie=85

=A0

Regards,

=A0

Edward




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--001636c59a318c583a0490a1e859-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 19:38:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F16A3BE91; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CZE1XucXdofetpQ8DgKzkl2qkJYNwjNWQUveGxxa37Q=; b=lhL+FcgKbWNlHb8ZBKWmSIsa33dyjphDO5K697rfzSDkf13Gyt9CgMqHlKzEFTbLP5 6J8bKkBYwOQkzM/0jUD7Q4ETtQ12komUYhIvf3x/mdVDGqUfPejTExIWRhVmZ4o/hCS3 WlPN1cRuEh/5/TfaQQPMOXKlHEjK35k0QLWt4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=PzLPHRpOHfxsGxWiQhDDwDMlh+NXdSZn3/JfI5Bms0XM0T54K+mfXccDl85gCG3BLY TobmYx5pMXDa/4UPhMUwFgv/vhSzwfbvV4Djj2pOIogDuYf7nkpiqN/U6Blk0DoR2tVF XQADmjZVkle/6Lvkny2NpShwDHazwK/n+W4ic= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5E.AE.26129.3AC369C4@smtp01.embarq.synacor.com> References: <5E.AE.26129.3AC369C4@smtp01.embarq.synacor.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:38:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Laptops for general use & music? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:38:45 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:39 PM, ejyuhas wrote: > But what are some of you using for reliable laptops that cover all your > bases, meaning your workhorse, email, surfing, as well as using some > programs like Soundplant, iTunes and/or desktop recording with an interface > and Reason, or any other acceptable programs? Since a few years ago I have settled with laptops from Apple that run Mac OS. Before that I used Windows and built my own stationary computers where I picked particular components (motherboard, CPU, fans, RAM configuration and video card) that were known for working well together for audio applications. On these machines I had three or four alternative system boot partitions where two were audio optimized (identical mutual backup), one was for email and office work and one was for games and crap code applications. When the Centrino standard came around I had such an Intel single core cpu laptop for two years that was stable - although I did not use it for any network tasks or ever upgraded the XP Pro system from Microsoft, just kept it audio optimized all the time. When Intel launched the multi core CPU standard I decided to go with Apple's pc's to escape the extra work to keep a stable system optimized for audio and still escape virus and other evil network influences ;-) Can't really say I have looked back.. until writing this post ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 20:59:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3F9C3BE91; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cclVdm0tDrwc+J7kvur4Q0zljYSmyPw0JK8pcj7Q4fM=; b=abtOLUHfUPIb5MT4QoYAPgcMhpEo0+doeNMkP/B5DO7ZjZr5DTkPrLVCW/4xfZBHQI 39ubNP9avJOnHMwoCAtP0NmA7dhv6f3kdBjjxcK78gZn3CimPrLKONHHwUQhw5iDCdoo FR7EofdO1kZ7rSfjfEtsBp6luIq6ItFX82ikk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=tJOgo0bXEiY7bJ2QNzS2VTUL1gtBEflMrLsl7wGPgv5yKV7ygqV1JX91lx0493mGuy IL9j2suDxJH3V7i/+UCC4HywgJy/PVGLi9H4QXar5RuPqMnttcClzIKl8Kx0+MtjiGJk 2FAFO4ITHXfa9u7JfibGdj4zdJcv3Nqkc0l+U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 16:58:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: OT: midi mergers From: james fowler To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6b17e9d83590490a310bf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:59:00 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6b17e9d83590490a310bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 situation: i have three controllers that could at any time be being used to manipulate four different machines and sometimes these machines are getting info from multiple sources concurrently. for example: midi clock from vst host and cc from foot controller both feeding eventide. without a proper merger the cc fucks with the clock info and temporal pandemonium ensues. i've tried to envision all the permutations of this and have decided that i need a really flexible router/merger. looks like motu's express xt and mtp are the only machines in current production that would do the job. anybody care to disagree? thanky. - jim --000e0cd6b17e9d83590490a310bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable situation: i have three controllers that could at any time be being used to= manipulate four different machines and sometimes these machines are gettin= g info from multiple sources concurrently.=A0 for example: midi clock from = vst host and cc from foot controller both feeding eventide.=A0 without a pr= oper merger the cc fucks with the clock info and temporal pandemonium ensue= s.=A0 i've tried to envision all the permutations of this and have deci= ded that i need a really flexible router/merger.=A0 looks like motu's e= xpress xt and mtp are the only machines in current production that would do= the job.=A0 anybody care to disagree?

thanky.

- jim=A0
--000e0cd6b17e9d83590490a310bf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 21:13:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02C9A3BE8E; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fhhj5wjloVkghRg9vVFN9xBHuUm9TY6vBAec/TdMzdg=; b=rzaEppgX9/ZT067oUF8NwPuckOCGKfd40s2TE2XytsrnVmshomFo4CreRwmcrAU7az bPYP6haS9/VEfNMBymJYebMAbmPoFeTQz0NRE0i8231mqx45c7TvH166ZTf4oMxtTbte OI4/jYTvO9g8PLEix+NxhTDxCW6ybWT3NR+Gk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OZRadGKP4F6AO5ijzKI2wPJ1gJPdT6hYuweigx2A3nPmY4KFnwVU44q6ZWixkFsdHv 5nqC2/qk9GRhQuIUUtmFwOB6dKXjT0doP1nZ8DHMcdr1r9oc083IuIQtku2AwJND76J7 G8QhB8KsFdka1Tzw8nAtauBVcDFYndlsbAdgI= Message-ID: <4C967D04.9030808@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 23:13:40 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: midi mergers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:13:31 +0000 (UTC) If you're only using it in combination with a computer, then basically any MIDI interface in combination with e.g. MIDI OX can be used. Apart from that, I remember I was on the quest for a MIDI interface with proper router/merger functionality, and alas didn't found anything except the two choices you found as well. > temporal pandemonium ensues. i've tried to envision all the > permutations of this and have decided that i need a really flexible > router/merger. looks like motu's express xt and mtp are the only > machines in current production that would do the job. anybody care to > disagree? -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 22:15:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68DE03BE8F; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gQr76iN0xUUpNoQlvHkn2MI8K6oxoq2EYjXPrYukfF8=; b=V1sBJezelniUCsDf/eY5u8+rpJQOhBT0kwhQgszQ3iAUJ/pQgAPbOg/ykyWNDk1It1 Ao6NIoNFTfniIVMhdlDJT4dMr4CQIBM7p7AueFhqlZQeI/ueU3aJI95VbD0pHR5P00/l Pn58W97kg9T9/TtZCRRri5oFvgx6609Yj8taE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gIlAyfHWHmeg3d3Xu/9zzrdYCj5AqMfJDx66SgcGJPAlC6y0GmoOPKJMvTTrujOGuv T4NnrT2airPASOfEUEd4YLv/Q+hYQPy0dDSRSGjxrkGQCGD3yZU52MCt3Q0e55OwZ6K6 kGp9iMv3uzcfJMdCWgjp58GNXI3ZwiaQOiF58= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C967D04.9030808@googlemail.com> References: <4C967D04.9030808@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:15:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: midi mergers From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174ff446dcd4290490a4227b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:15:41 +0000 (UTC) --0015174ff446dcd4290490a4227b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yeah, i think i thought about that...it kinda starts to hurt my brain thinking about all this crap. anyhow, it appears that the eventide is having a very difficult time processing midi from multiple sources. perhaps a simple merge box would suffice but what if i run into this problem with one of the analog synths? another merge box and eventually i've got one interface, 4 merge boxes, 7 thru boxes, 9 thousand midi cables running every which-way and smoke coming out of my ears. the motu boxes, while relatively pricey, seem pretty turn-key and i won't have to think about this ever again. just click, drag and everybody is playing nice together. hell, it's worth the extra $$$ just to be done with it ; ) - jim On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > If you're only using it in combination with a computer, then basically any > MIDI interface in combination with e.g. MIDI OX can be used. Apart from > that, I remember I was on the quest for a MIDI interface with proper > router/merger functionality, and alas didn't found anything except the two > choices you found as well. > > temporal pandemonium ensues. i've tried to envision all the permutations >> of this and have decided that i need a really flexible router/merger. looks >> like motu's express xt and mtp are the only machines in current production >> that would do the job. anybody care to disagree? >> > > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > --0015174ff446dcd4290490a4227b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah, i think i thought about that...it kinda starts to hurt my brain think= ing about all this crap.=A0 anyhow, it appears that the eventide is having = a very difficult time processing midi from multiple sources.=A0 perhaps a s= imple merge box would suffice but what if i run into this problem with one = of the analog synths?=A0 another merge box and eventually i've got one = interface, 4 merge boxes, 7 thru boxes, 9 thousand midi cables running ever= y which-way and smoke coming out of my ears.=A0 the motu boxes, while relat= ively pricey, seem pretty turn-key and i won't have to think about this= ever again.=A0 just click, drag and everybody is playing nice together.=A0= hell, it's worth the extra $$$ just to be done with it ; )

- jim =A0=A0

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at= 5:13 PM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
If you're only using it in combination with a computer, then basically = any MIDI interface in combination with e.g. MIDI OX can be used. Apart from= that, I remember I was on the quest for a MIDI interface with proper route= r/merger functionality, and alas didn't found anything except the two c= hoices you found as well.

=A0temporal pandemonium ensues. =A0i've tried to envision all the permu= tations of this and have decided that i need a really flexible router/merge= r. =A0looks like motu's express xt and mtp are the only machines in cur= rent production that would do the job. =A0anybody care to disagree?


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--0015174ff446dcd4290490a4227b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 22:19:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C78C43BE91; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_1284934784186680" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Showalter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:19:44 -0400 Subject: Re: OT: Laptops for general use & music? X-Originating-Ip: 98.180.40.193 X-Originating-Server: c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotusliveops.com X-Ob-Auth: folkstone57:operamail.com@operamail.com Message-Id: <20100919221944.2BEEF160215@c-in3ws--03-05.sv2.lotuslive.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:19:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_1284934784186680 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Edward, I'd also advise taking a look at the Mac Mini. I've been using one for over a year now running Cubase & I have had very little in the way of problems. I have 2 external HD's dedicated to my audio & I couldn't happier unless the thing composed music for me & made me a millionaire... ----- Original Message ----- From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Laptops for general use & music? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:36:12 -0700 Hi Edward, Recommending a Windows laptop for music is a bit of a minefield. IMHO the Apple MacBook Pro has the best hardware configuration whether you are running Windows or MacOS. However, it's expensive. I have an Acer Extensa that I'm happy with. I returned two Dell Inspirons because they used a chipset that didn't work well with my Line6 USB audio interface. The chipset is very important if you use a USB or Firewire audio interface, as it's the part on the motherboard that coordinates the data flow between the cpu and the audio interface. A bad chipset will result in dropouts, glitches and high latency settings. It can be difficult to discern from the specifications, but the TI chipset is preferred for most USB and Firewire audio interfaces. The Ricoh chipset of the Dell Inspirons that I tried did very poorly with my USB interface. I'd suggest you start with which interface you want to use, and then go to the forum for that specific audio interface to see which laptops people have had good success with. When you're ready to buy the laptop, check the return policy to make sure you can return it if it doesn't work out. Even after you've done some research, you can still end up with a laptop that doesn't work well for music. Dell was very good about taking two returns in a row. So even though I can't recommend their laptops, their return policy gets a thumbs up! As for specs, you'll probably have the best luck for musical applications with an Intel i5 or i7 cpu (though the AMD models and previous Intel processors can certainly work well). Most new computers come with Windows 7, it's not important which flavor of Windows 7, they are all a good music OS. Lots of RAM is good, 3 or 4 Gb. I'm running 32bit Windows 7, because at that time ableton live didn't work well with a 64 bit OS. If I were installing the OS today, I'd probably install 64 bit Windows 7. Again, read the forums for your hardware and software to see if it is compatible with 64bit OS. I think 32 bit is on it's way out. If you are recording a lot of tracks, a 7200 rpm drive is good, though I find a 5400 rpm drive works great for me since I rarely have more than 4 to 6 tracks running simultaneously. I use lots of VST plugins, so cpu processing power and RAM seems to make the most difference for me. As for brands, I'd broaden your choices to include Acer, Lenovo and Toshiba, as they are more likely to use the TI chipset. That being said, I was certainly tempted to try the HP dv7 laptop with the i7 quad core processor when HP had it on sale for under $1000. techbargains.com is a good website for tracking current laptop deals. Good Luck. I'd like to hear how things work out for you. On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:39 AM, ejyuhas wrote: Fellow loopists, =A0 I=92ve seen this discussion before regarding laptop use for running all of your effects, looping, etc. =A0 But what are some of you using for reliable laptops that cover all your bases, meaning your workhorse, email, surfing, as well as using some programs like Soundplant, iTunes and/or desktop recording with an interface and Reason, or any other acceptable programs? =A0 I=92m currently shopping and have been looking at the following laptops (but I=92m open to suggestion): =A0 HP Pavilion series Dell Inspiron Sony VAIO =A0 Which of these are you guys/gals using and are there any reliability issues, or features I would benefit from? Most =93bang for your buck=94? =A0 You can email me privately, if this has been a beaten horsie=85 =A0 Regards, =A0 Edward -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon Mark Showalter Minden Jot! myspace.com/folkstone57 http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter[IMAGE] --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com --_----------=_1284934784186680 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello Edward,

I'd also advise taking a look at the Mac Mini. I've been using one for over= a year now running Cubase & I have had very little in the way of probl= ems. I have 2 external HD's dedicated to my audio & I couldn't happier = unless the thing composed music for me & made me a millionaire...
----- Original Message -----
From: Art Simon
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT: Laptops for general use & music?
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:36:12 -0700

Hi Edward,

Recommending a Windows laptop for music is a bit of a min= efield. IMHO the Apple MacBook Pro has the best hardware configuration whet= her you are running Windows or MacOS. However, it's expensive.

I have an Acer Extensa that I'm happy with. I returned two Dell Inspirons b= ecause they used a chipset that didn't work well with my Line6 USB audio in= terface. The chipset is very important if you use a USB or Firewire audio i= nterface, as it's the part on the motherboard that coordinates the data flo= w between the cpu and the audio interface. A bad chipset will result in dro= pouts, glitches and high latency settings.

It can be difficult to discern from the specifications, but the TI chip= set is preferred for most USB and Firewire audio interfaces. The Ricoh chip= set of the Dell Inspirons that I tried did very poorly with my USB interfac= e. I'd suggest you start with which interface you want to use, and then go = to the forum for that specific audio interface to see which laptops people = have had good success with.

When you're ready to buy the laptop, check the return policy to make su= re you can return it if it doesn't work out. Even after you've done some re= search, you can still end up with a laptop that doesn't work well for music= . Dell was very good about taking two returns in a row. So even though I ca= n't recommend their laptops, their return policy gets a thumbs up!

As for specs, you'll probably have the best luck for musical applicatio= ns with an Intel i5 or i7 cpu (though the AMD models and previous Intel pro= cessors can certainly work well). Most new computers come with Windows 7, i= t's not important which flavor of Windows 7, they are all a good music OS. = Lots of RAM is good, 3 or 4 Gb. I'm running 32bit Windows 7, because at tha= t time ableton live didn't work well with a 64 bit OS. If I were installing= the OS today, I'd probably install 64 bit Windows 7. Again, read the forum= s for your hardware and software to see if it is compatible with 64bit OS. = I think 32 bit is on it's way out. If you are recording a lot of tracks, a = 7200 rpm drive is good, though I find a 5400 rpm drive works great for me s= ince I rarely have more than 4 to 6 tracks running simultaneously. I use lo= ts of VST plugins, so cpu processing power and RAM seems to make the most d= ifference for me.

As for brands, I'd broaden your choices to include Acer, Lenovo and Tos= hiba, as they are more likely to use the TI chipset. That being said, I was= certainly tempted to try the HP dv7 laptop with the i7 quad core processor= when HP had it on sale for under $1000. techbargains.com is a good website for tracking current laptop deals.= Good Luck. I'd like to hear how things work out for you.

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:39 AM, ejyuhas <ejyuhas@embarq= mail.com> wrote:

Fellow loopists,

=A0

I=92ve seen this discussion before regardi= ng laptop use for running all of your effects, looping, etc.

=A0

But what are some of you using for reliabl= e laptops that cover all your bases, meaning your workhorse, email, surfing, as well as us= ing some programs like Soundplant, iTunes and/or desktop recording with an interface and Reason, or any other acceptable programs?

=A0

I=92m currently shopping and have been loo= king at the following laptops (but I=92m open to suggestion):

=A0

HP Pavilion series

Dell Inspiron

Sony VAIO

=A0

Which of these are you guys/gals using and= are there any reliability issues, or features I would benefit from? Most =93bang for your buck=94?

=A0

You can email me privately, if this has be= en a beaten horsie=85

=A0

Regards,

=A0

Edward




--
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simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/artsimo= n



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Minden Jot!

myspace.com/folkstone57
http://www.last.fm/music/Mark+Showalter

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--_----------=_1284934784186680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 22:35:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED75A3BE8D; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:35:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xsytHtIVlhvDcaFbKvY1FQxLqcuH14KGasmgfasSXEQ=; b=CVbpT352HCvqstFvTdIzAx4qDhFkp2BVkAAuohAxpDiYumLq54WNEkKwGiWfVv1T+7 paht0ioQfcDNtx/PfXHNY45+7u1By36zPnZZV7tuBI7bdqywPAQZGOM9Vckag2WjH6/b qhVwmwhqoikQYDXIG02mHKDpddL/Me3qibXeU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pcHf3dXvQlWUQi4oXr8dzm/lwGDf0ZjW6OWCDobTbngcOwtv7sG3Mm0j3ai9riIhIe ovwMn2EWS81/O05+Xifevvk5TinznB5L26MGIyKKa6+yEk5Ogu9rCaE2HQT+vuVnVeBs X49ddqfTYmvOgckL9dXQnAQ9756V+Pk6FRypc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C967D04.9030808@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:35:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: midi mergers From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:35:50 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:15 AM, james fowler wrote: > it appears that the eventide is having a very difficult time processing m= idi > from multiple sources.=C2=A0 perhaps a simple merge box would suffice Or a MIDI split interface; making sure you send only the relevant MIDI data to each receiving unit. That would reduce the stress of multiple simultaneous packets crowding the linear MIDI protocol paths. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 19 23:28:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE94F3BE8B; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 23:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3hssBCKEhANPJuxAmWh74L9DTqQVexIi8Y8wE14h3DY=; b=icjkal068TMrYJak/wSYpmZKPPK+qH76Xo0GgjElIV+9K2n+zoxT3LWUH+YJEwCgJr o7lkIvzqaOWe9Dtt5fQRVZdElzekuP8AoG9K+nrHQJce2GxNIOjGxmOjfw3MzyUhmyiz QMg4j1qbXYlOV9OPkx1sUkZpW3hSyPH0teNV0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=u8UzIRy1iCdNcM3hgdNOBDNHAzPjs1gEENR/H0h8vlNS1nSOxbI1AnJ0ldU1AiWura AkNZpfqlwEslnN5z5n8QFpd4kTr1Vbx5kNrlcAhwD7YQ4PYiBRuuty0g08/muntfjeBx K752AqdrwknMqaeXKY7Jf8ZNvVYnHetx5qyRo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C967D04.9030808@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:28:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: midi mergers From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151750eea27fc06e0490a526ac Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 23:28:17 +0000 (UTC) --00151750eea27fc06e0490a526ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Or a MIDI split interface; making sure you send only the relevant MIDI > data to each receiving unit. That would reduce the stress of multiple > simultaneous packets crowding the linear MIDI protocol paths. > yes, but i don't know that this would alleviate "competing" data that is headed toward its intended destination. or this could all be just be the eventide not working correctly. - jim --00151750eea27fc06e0490a526ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0Or a MIDI split interface; making sure you send only the relevant MIDI
data to each receiving unit. That would reduce the stress of multiple
simultaneous packets crowding the linear MIDI protocol paths.

yes, but i don't know that this would alleviate "compe= ting" data that is headed toward its intended destination.=A0 or this = could all be just be the eventide not working correctly.

- jim
--00151750eea27fc06e0490a526ac-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 00:00:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58BB13BE8E; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ajbTyJGpPSFUsbgaK3I3pSbSyLNKbF8oIzlnt0pw11s=; b=bp3VC97D0DoyB0o4zSslIv1YqYuJjX5YEFYtpegoNjrydnf03U2RdQi+TC/ibkwHVx w+WDbGts1VRMmyx6mnIbcoI1ThSN+UKBOaXky2TGViTgNxvVPe6UNmKAa2reZYmkpgDO QYGMWzofp/vt4qu/MrOzBt7LCoF+NXWBSjMVY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f/j5r+dPJoKiN9UkdrPSy4MfPKjRMcGSgZl6Y3gnh79JkswMKrng+QdcnN/XBx6m4v 0DuFJMVnzD2N/e2QF3DwC+m+ILVBioaD+sMkjNiQvmmLHMu0NC4TAS5sp2MX7SJETiBR criuhlyWlh6LVqrg5KeRZ+WERExc936ggJtrg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C967D04.9030808@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 02:00:47 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: midi mergers From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:00:48 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:28 AM, james fowler wrote: >> =C2=A0Or a MIDI split interface; making sure you send only the relevant = MIDI >> data to each receiving unit. That would reduce the stress of multiple >> simultaneous packets crowding the linear MIDI protocol paths. > > yes, but i don't know that this would alleviate "competing" data that is > headed toward its intended destination.=C2=A0 or this could all be just b= e the > eventide not working correctly. > > - jim The key word here is *linear*. If sending a lot more data as MIDI than the receiving device is listening for there is not going to be a steady flow of accurate data coming through. Everything simply can't be sent at the same time and the data intended for a certain receiving device may have its packages interrupted by other, irrelevant, data. If the receiving device needs to get information in a certain order to react correctly there might be issues. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 03:03:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0A173BE8B; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 03:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6E5EF239-06FE-472C-8CE1-6E997DF9C9D3@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100919211332.63AD73BE92@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--445535863 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: OT: midi mergers Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:03:45 -0700 References: <20100919211332.63AD73BE92@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 03:03:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--445535863 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > looks like motu's express xt and mtp are the only machines in > current production that would do the job. anybody care to disagree? nope. very few options anymore, even fewer programable options, its probably still possible to find an edirol machine but I believe there half rack may be out of production. Going the way of the Dodo I'm afraid. --Apple-Mail-1--445535863 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

looks like motu's express xt and mtp are the only machines in = current production that would do the job.  anybody care to = disagree?


nope= . very few options anymore, even fewer programable options, its probably = still possible to find an edirol machine  but I believe there half = rack may be out of production. Going the way of the Dodo I'm = afraid.

= --Apple-Mail-1--445535863-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 04:21:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BB7A3BE8D; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 04:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fKh1/etHF3cnNIj2lSTcMdCgZZfVjsNjpBsxGvB0Ays=; b=eOGGLepKGXMByCupbZUqarGl93VHQMpCT0UODmeQAO1/Sa6wMVxE9EjF0gW26Sv4RP 9833HCGoySF1Xw9J3YcwB9kSOIiAn+d8FAH49aZi0D0tqHSIn1AU6eD9WFOWe0tAe6r0 sRM8giFn5zYKXtvT8ge5npjUPdN5ZgCLnFhAI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=RuISzuSokvc5j3qy9HtF4JZn26BIb4pcXsz6x26F4266eqES264AiTKYtbmWrpBKJ8 YlzNg1oTNO4t2C25ZsJCiLYugNVcbz6N3melOyIvh8KjREMWxQ3psqGki5qy6EON7Kc+ ol9SOY6G22N6Y8ZFkfJWFs5xyY2TARS+xgxhY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C967D04.9030808@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:21:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: midi mergers From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174ff4460f301d0490a9400a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 04:21:46 +0000 (UTC) --0015174ff4460f301d0490a9400a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > The key word here is *linear*. If sending a lot more data as MIDI than > the receiving device is listening for there is not going to be a > steady flow of accurate data coming through. Everything simply can't > be sent at the same time and the data intended for a certain receiving > device may have its packages interrupted by other, irrelevant, data. > If the receiving device needs to get information in a certain order to > react correctly there might be issues i recall reading somewhere that midi clock data needs to be given precedence or something of that sort, so i feel you on this. it's only gonna get stickier as i attempt to use everything to control everything. so...i bought an express xt. problem solved. thanks for all the input. - jim --0015174ff4460f301d0490a9400a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The key word here is *linear*. If sending a lot more data as MI= DI than
the receiving device is listening for there is not going to be a
steady flow of accurate data coming through. Everything simply can't be sent at the same time and the data intended for a certain receiving
device may have its packages interrupted by other, irrelevant, data.
If the receiving device needs to get information in a certain order to
react correctly there might be issues

i recall reading= somewhere that midi clock data needs to be given precedence or something o= f that sort, so i feel you on this.=A0 it's only gonna get stickier as = i attempt to use everything to control everything.=A0 so...i bought an expr= ess xt.=A0 problem solved.

thanks for all the input.

- jim

--0015174ff4460f301d0490a9400a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 07:32:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5568D3BE8F; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3BivgFGuTL5RXS/bE75lYCt5gHWZNoocxCO/2i6W0C4=; b=uNuwM0NpQZtG6+ODKsF5rbPivxWGvozXEc7G/n81+XCdIOWYL2yteTL3c+TdRbiQmq CVA5xIli3PrqPTgDsZyjBzlyihBxo967ZLtVS6aItbpHHDd1vVjAtQ/Az7BM6g9Qw8S3 85GN4MmB045uBVxbDlaHXJW6Ic4D+GYbPyTj0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=MYAe/3+Qh/b/aso7kxzpWaCv23Rrvk/7VtD13aaHB+bzCOGdM356IlOlEXQk5t7nY2 1lDZI6Jz/+z6oEZzUEBLs+EQjE5btRH1IA3XMnRthDQQ/W84UXjRrHIB2RsaYZgMgqE3 1uCodtyWiq+sm4S1WTg+n5ps1aYK6+FjfUMEY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:32:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: OT: midi mergers - and odd stuff you can do with 'em From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:32:34 +0000 (UTC) "yeah, i think i thought about that...it kinda starts to hurt my brain thinking about all this crap. anyhow, it appears that the eventide is having a very difficult time processing midi from multiple sources." There is a fun trick you can sometimes do using midi from multiple sources. a) use several sources that produce MIDI clock. Have them set to any clock speed. b) merge them together with a simple merge box so the MIDI clock info gets merged together, too. c) send the merge box output to various destinations which react to MIDI clock in a very audible fashion (e.g. drum computer, sequencer, MIDI-synced arpeggiator etc.) d) see what happens. e) for added bonus: create a feedback loop and have one of the devices mentioned under a) sync to the output of one of the devices mentioned under c). Huge loads of fun! One simple version would be to use two clock sources (any), then first connect only one source, have (under c)) a Repeater and a drum machine (say, Roland MC505) synced to the source and record the drum machine into the Repeater. Both are running in sync - for now. Then start the second MIDI clock source - and both Repeater and MC505 do about anything with regard to clock, while essentially playing the same pattern. Note that for many years, I had been working without a proper merge box (hell, I didn't even have a decent multi-port MIDI interface, as I didn't use sequencers). Distributing the clock in a setup with multiple synths, one groove box, various effects and a Repeater was always a tricky riddle. When I somewhat reorganized my home setup early in 2008 and decided I'd need to be able to play those synths and drum machines without having the computer powered up, I also arrived at your (i.e. MOTU) conclusion. Turned out that many times I'd like to include the Akai controller (which is connected to the computer via USB), so most of the time I really use MIDI OX for routing (worked really fine the last time I had a complex hardware setup going). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 07:52:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1A6F3BE8B; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:52:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 490116669/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.186.217/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.186.217 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsoBAH6vlkxV0rrZ/2dsb2JhbAAHlCrRJ4VBBI0s X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,391,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="490116669" Message-ID: <4C9712CA.1080509@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:52:42 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fuzzy repeater Memorys References: <4C95EB16.9040008@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2ek7kD.A.sSD.8KxlMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:52:28 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > > post them BIll NOW!! I must hear!!! > Bill did hand out some cds in 2005. (er..it's pretty good) ...but now he's a youtube babe andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 08:05:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 004513BE8E; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:05:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 498561659/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.186.217/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.186.217 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsoBAAOzlkxV0rrZ/2dsb2JhbAAHk3kx0SOFQQSNLA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,391,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="498561659" Message-ID: <4C9715DF.1020009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:05:51 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stage solution needed References: <84b62.12480aa5.39c779b4@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <84b62.12480aa5.39c779b4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:05:37 +0000 (UTC) ok, I guess you need a "2u rack case". (maybe a bigger one "just in case"). there's a number of manufacturers with available product, depending on your geographic location. Hope soemone else here can advise as to which brands are good. andy butler Violindave@aol.com wrote: > I generally just float above the stage ;) > Actually for guitars I sit, for fiddle I stand, or can sit if needed, > but prefer to stand. > Have a large pedal board also in front of me > I do not want to velcro my amp/cab. > Need it to be pretty easy setup, and it will need to be secure for > transportation. > Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 09:09:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7581C3BE91; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hBqtmfA5n1gxN4fMCkPWxqME1zYMqYUZrQ7QOiF7U3k=; b=JJUsxIcNyvTNx6XRbw3DacnjqKvzEZMa7cio7gUmmBvGQJH31ytac2pWu1UQ4hN0k0 fzJNFAhxu/4xa/RpZxWMb3NVmsLADd3aRCNSfeG31wFeQ1nVTCVvASqZfUW74c16i9r7 vAaPKyFXJKjtDJeJPdNNXefAmtGBPvw/+uuBw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=MlgouMsecQIWorriQqGAEnJOIamkC2WtzokjmVXyiZyDEaF3woO2/N7U2dsJWOyE// Muv1lXGb+yZQsA93aLNe98XMMJnjvqndy7rY9jBDJix7xDrufjJC7lWDjUibhqgERBtm PCv0u+NZ95YxBX/F7pHzGlFYOEdD8leKcsCWY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <4C967D04.9030808@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:09:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: midi mergers From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d2a6ff076890490ad4474 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:09:28 +0000 (UTC) --0016364d2a6ff076890490ad4474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hi james. got your email, but i thought i'd answer here. i had problems with my eventide, as you know and at the time i was merging midi clock with pc data using a simple kenton passive merge box. the clock data was being interrupted by the pc messages and messing with the timing, so i ended up spending 70 quid on a Kenton active merge box, thinking this would solve the problem. it didn't. i spoke to one of the techs at Kenton (nice chap), who said the box was working normally (i sent him some data) and that the way the pc data was being interleaved with the clock data was causing the problem. he offered to write me some new firmware for it, to change the way this worked, but i never heard from him again. i don't merge data in this way now, so it's no longer a problem for me. sim On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:21 AM, james fowler wrote: > The key word here is *linear*. If sending a lot more data as MIDI than >> the receiving device is listening for there is not going to be a >> steady flow of accurate data coming through. Everything simply can't >> be sent at the same time and the data intended for a certain receiving >> device may have its packages interrupted by other, irrelevant, data. >> If the receiving device needs to get information in a certain order to >> react correctly there might be issues > > > i recall reading somewhere that midi clock data needs to be given > precedence or something of that sort, so i feel you on this. it's only > gonna get stickier as i attempt to use everything to control everything. > so...i bought an express xt. problem solved. > > thanks for all the input. > > - jim > > --0016364d2a6ff076890490ad4474 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi james. got your email, but i thought i'd answer here. i had problems= with my eventide, as you know and at the time i was merging midi clock wit= h pc data using a simple kenton passive merge box. the clock data was being= interrupted by the pc messages and messing with the timing, so i ended up = spending 70 quid on a Kenton active merge box, thinking this would solve th= e problem. it didn't. i spoke to one of the techs at Kenton (nice chap)= , who said the box was working normally (i sent him some data) and that the= way the pc data was being interleaved with the clock data was causing the = problem. he offered to write me some new firmware for it, to change the way= this worked, but i never heard from him again. i don't merge data in t= his way now, so it's no longer a problem for me.

sim

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:21 AM, = james fowler <t= wostroke@gmail.com> wrote:
The key word here is *linear*. If sending a lot more data as MI= DI than
the receiving device is listening for there is not going to be a
steady flow of accurate data coming through. Everything simply can't be sent at the same time and the data intended for a certain receiving
device may have its packages interrupted by other, irrelevant, data.
If the receiving device needs to get information in a certain order to
react correctly there might be issues

i recall r= eading somewhere that midi clock data needs to be given precedence or somet= hing of that sort, so i feel you on this.=A0 it's only gonna get sticki= er as i attempt to use everything to control everything.=A0 so...i bought a= n express xt.=A0 problem solved.

thanks for all the input.

- jim


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--0016e64c2cbaf9f1750490b30cc9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 17:50:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA1163BE91; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--392325564 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: OT: midi mergers Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:50:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:50:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--392325564 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey James, I saw a product in the latest Guitar Player magazine that, though it may not be a solution for you seems like it might have great possibilities when trying to sync midi clock with multiple performers. http://www.moltenvoltage.com/molten_midi_2.html Though its main selling feature is the ability to integrate with a digitech whammy pedal (midi version) and create user programmable arpeggios based on the whammies pitch shifts, it also serves as a stand alone midi clock generator with a tap tempo. One of these and a decent midi splitter box could send steady clock information to several devices and eliminate issues that occur when switching midi controllers, and clock responsibilities between band mates. I could see this as an effective tool if for example the drummer in the band used this to define tempos for the other members loopers or synced effects processors. BTW james is that a timefactor you are having issues with or a rack unit. its interesting to me that a piece of hardware from the vaunted Eventide would have these issues. In contrast my line 6 M-9 seems to have rock solid midi sync for all of its tempo based effects, but then again my midi routing is simpler and I'm always generating clock from my LP-2's first track. i wish in both of these items cases the onboard looper would also respond to midi clock, but I may be misinformed about the Timefactor in this regard. Bill --Apple-Mail-1--392325564 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  Hey James,
I saw a = product in the latest Guitar Player magazine that, though it may not be = a solution for you seems like it might have great possibilities when = trying to sync midi clock with multiple performers. http://www.molten= voltage.com/molten_midi_2.html
 Though its main selling = feature is the ability to integrate with a digitech whammy pedal (midi = version) and create user programmable arpeggios based on the whammies = pitch shifts, it also serves as a stand alone midi clock generator with = a tap tempo. One of these and a decent midi splitter box could send = steady clock information to several devices and eliminate issues that = occur when switching midi controllers, and clock responsibilities = between band mates. I could see this as an effective tool if for example = the drummer in the band used this to define tempos for the other members = loopers or synced effects processors. BTW james is that a timefactor you = are having issues with or a rack unit. its interesting to me that a = piece of hardware from the vaunted Eventide would have these issues. In = contrast my line 6 M-9 seems to have rock solid midi sync for all of its = tempo based effects, but then again my midi routing is simpler and I'm = always generating clock from my LP-2's first track. i wish in both of = these items cases the onboard looper would also respond to midi clock, = but I may be misinformed about the Timefactor in this = regard.
Bill
= --Apple-Mail-1--392325564-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 20:27:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB62D3BE8E; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 491 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:27:08 UTC Message-ID: <001001cb5901$03e66020$9f00a8c0@REC> From: "Sony Felberg" To: References: <5E.AE.26129.3AC369C4@smtp01.embarq.synacor.com> Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:18:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB58C6.57151740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:27:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB58C6.57151740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ejyuhas=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:39 AM Subject: OT: Laptops for general use & music? Fellow loopists, =20 I've seen this discussion before regarding laptop use for running all = of your effects, looping, etc. =20 But what are some of you using for reliable laptops that cover all = your bases, meaning your workhorse, email, surfing, as well as using = some programs like Soundplant, iTunes and/or desktop recording with an = interface and Reason, or any other acceptable programs? =20 I'm currently shopping and have been looking at the following laptops = (but I'm open to suggestion): =20 HP Pavilion series Dell Inspiron Sony VAIO =20 Which of these are you guys/gals using and are there any reliability = issues, or features I would benefit from? Most "bang for your buck"? =20 You can email me privately, if this has been a beaten horsie. =20 Regards, =20 Edward ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB58C6.57151740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ejyuhas
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Fellow=20 loopists,

 

I=92ve seen this = discussion before=20 regarding laptop use for running all of your effects, looping,=20 etc.

 

But what are some of you = using for=20 reliable laptops that cover all your bases, meaning your workhorse, = email,=20 surfing, as well as using some programs like Soundplant, iTunes and/or = desktop=20 recording with an interface and Reason, or any other acceptable=20 programs?

 

I=92m currently shopping = and have=20 been looking at the following laptops (but I=92m open to=20 suggestion):

 

HP Pavilion=20 series

Dell=20 Inspiron

Sony=20 VAIO

 

Which of these are you = guys/gals=20 using and are there any reliability issues, or features I would = benefit from?=20 Most =93bang for your buck=94?

 

You can email me = privately, if=20 this has been a beaten horsie=85

 

Regards,

 

Edward

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB58C6.57151740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 20:32:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A89F13BE8C; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Uf0I+He/VkHIePt0G4BfjHuDLKq+SuZd6vvCSd1D6HQ=; b=liZPtQSRl247c6XFOg0QPVghMhIWF95qqf/svXKuB6Nudbmb9Wq2U0QartiB5R/yx3 BMl3bve22C2tM9FAYatIhuoW7BBO9y3V7S+im+sjYlPcMR+lNnRKEW/Zj79LY1o9o4aC gmt27MYJ+0F2D1t29RUb1GOatpMNr0HX/A3+w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AvJadPPZkYXdT27ao2QKfJNIDxStdVtTtIZCrG1EQvU/urYxKb6oBmaK2J49lpWJ7Z 7LYSsD6nxsI5bYaeb424OxA2aU4l6I8NT7kT5zZP9aUTlxSvs+icZnUSho4cW3o4KU4S Q1xwKv1Flf8DfEhmzhccXj+rGl9P69Ui6HGD4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001001cb5901$03e66020$9f00a8c0@REC> References: <5E.AE.26129.3AC369C4@smtp01.embarq.synacor.com> <001001cb5901$03e66020$9f00a8c0@REC> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:32:23 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: unsubscribe From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64607c25334990490b6cf7e Resent-Message-ID: <_NDM4.A.uh.YT8lMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:32:24 +0000 (UTC) --0016e64607c25334990490b6cf7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable un sub scribe? 2010/9/20 Sony Felberg > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* ejyuhas > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:39 AM > *Subject:* OT: Laptops for general use & music? > > Fellow loopists, > > > > I=92ve seen this discussion before regarding laptop use for running all o= f > your effects, looping, etc. > > > > But what are some of you using for reliable laptops that cover all your > bases, meaning your workhorse, email, surfing, as well as using some > programs like Soundplant, iTunes and/or desktop recording with an interfa= ce > and Reason, or any other acceptable programs? > > > > I=92m currently shopping and have been looking at the following laptops (= but > I=92m open to suggestion): > > > > HP Pavilion series > > Dell Inspiron > > Sony VAIO > > > > Which of these are you guys/gals using and are there any reliability > issues, or features I would benefit from? Most =93bang for your buck=94? > > > > You can email me privately, if this has been a beaten horsie=85 > > > > Regards, > > > > Edward > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com http://petrilahtinen.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/petrilahtinen http://twitter.com/PetriLahtinen http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/ --------------------------------------------------- "Only become professional musician if there is no choice." -Robert Fripp- --------------------------------------------------- "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." -Charles Bukowski- --0016e64607c25334990490b6cf7e Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable un sub scribe?

2010/9/20 Sony Felberg <SonyArt@comcast.n= et>
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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ejyuhas
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 = 9:39=20 AM
Subject: OT: Laptops for general = use=20 & music?

Fellow=20 loopists,

=A0

I=92ve seen this discussion before=20 regarding laptop use for running all of your effects, looping,=20 etc.

=A0

But what are some of you using for=20 reliable laptops that cover all your bases, meaning your workhorse, email= ,=20 surfing, as well as using some programs like Soundplant, iTunes and/or de= sktop=20 recording with an interface and Reason, or any other acceptable=20 programs?

=A0

I=92m currently shopping and have=20 been looking at the following laptops (but I=92m open to=20 suggestion):

=A0

HP Pavilion=20 series

Dell=20 Inspiron

Sony=20 VAIO

=A0

Which of these are you guys/gals=20 using and are there any reliability issues, or features I would benefit f= rom?=20 Most =93bang for your buck=94?

=A0

You can email me privately, if=20 this has been a beaten horsie=85

=A0

Regards,

=A0

Edward




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--0016e64607c25334990490b6cf7e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 20:59:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7774B3BE8D; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:59:25 -0700 Subject: FS: Frac modules, S900, Vintage pedals, etc From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: "Loopers Delight" , "AH" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:59:28 +0000 (UTC) For sale in Phila PA: Pics/more info up at http://daedsound.com/Salez/FS.htm 1. 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Email any questions, thanks. -- --------------------------------------- NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices "Making Something Extrodinary from the Ordinary" Music and More at the Mothership: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 20 23:24:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 501013BE8C; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0CmAg9Bs5fJBw4XUSYk50bf4L9cne0nEHnAcG9n/M+o=; b=LHcBXnj4L9uSJON0F7HMX8a2LW2WLudR8rc2E3hSVRVHv4GjaQXN7AS9MKTY1iYxhm 55VPBOZsxOoJpRI8n8ViiDwkBYIqZEJ1/dZ0uQcq/aDOuacaEXUjglhko1yyuJYyBs14 LNGnVAjHTOn/FuKRH+fhRDXK5Xgxr8T1zU098= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=abOteNIe/+v0ON7A/GaJ9/1OP4LWn/kFgZ4sZK334e1sSqBd7lPJoHbsQJnTsPMdje 8T5ZTelnYjt0XB0nSukuSaR6jYN2MZRhEvmY8qWX/g0zdoCzwaPrSuLtvk3QHQLtG00o W5pAqfClBmyjp5wmi/OmYU1yd0AKzlXs1+47U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 01:24:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI sync with Time Signature Retention From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c9348826a92b0490b936b7 Resent-Message-ID: <-VX5-.A.53D.j0-lMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:24:20 +0000 (UTC) --001636c9348826a92b0490b936b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The mighty Echoplex Digital Pro, i dont know any other hardware looper that does it better and you can sore presets of different time signatures, if u wish. It also has start,stop,start point,realign,Quantize sync midi mute start which sends start stop comands to a drum machine retrigger etc. In my opinion is also the tightest when using it as a slave or master,i just wish it would have been stereo but if u can find a second one you are set,just sync them up! cheers Luis On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Matt Walsh wrote: > Thanks folks. This is very helpful. I think I have isunderstood some things > and left some other pertinent info out. ;) > > I will not be changing time signatures; but I will be doing a lot of > 5,6,7. A scenario: I set up a 2 bar loop on my MPC60 at a tempo of 130 BPM > in 5/4. I create a rhythm/synth/sample track. The loop on the looper should > be the same as the loop on the MPC. Time signature as such is actually not > important. It just needs to be 10 beats at 130 BPM. The looper should also > responding to the Play/stop commands on the MPC, so it should already be > playing the empty loop in sync with the MPC loop. > > When I hit record I am essentially "punching in" over the synth. I will be > feeding a mixer and singing/playing drums over the MPC base track. > > Is this clearer? Again, thanks for all the help! > > Best, > Matt > > > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Dustbunnies wrote: > >> At 12:50 AM -0400 9/17/10, Matt Walsh wrote: >> >>> >>> I'm somewhat new to audio looping. I have been doing a form of looping by >>> building up tracks with my Akai MPC60 and sampler. I am thinking about >>> syncing some audio loops into the mix, as it were. >>> >>> So I am thinking of getting a real-deal audio looper. It will need to >>> slave to to the Akai, and it will need to be a piece of hardware. Thing is, >>> it will not only need to slave tempo, but will need to slave time signature >>> as well. I'm not opposed to having to load a patch that has this data in it, >>> if need be. But it definitely needs to respond to play/stop commands and >>> stay in sync with the MPC. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >> >> You may be out of luck as far as hardware goes, since I believe that >> almost all hardware units respond to Midi Clock Sync and MMC (Midi Machine >> Control) commands. IIRC, Time Signature is a rather esoteric specification >> buried in MTC (Midi Time Code), which there is little reason for audio >> loopers to implement. (Even back when I did a lot of soundtrack and >> post-production work, we never bothered with that function. In fact, I'd >> forgotten it existed until I just did a search) >> >> MTC is mainly useful when syncing to SMPTE. In most setups, you'd want to >> be able to shuttle to different parts of a composition and have all the >> instruments immediately know which section of the score at which they should >> begin. Since most loopers merely record an audio loop then replay it over >> and over (yes, I know I'm oversimplifying here guys) there's little >> advantage to MTC over Clock Sync + MMC, so most manufacturers don't bother >> with it. In fact, I can't think of any hardware loopers at all that support >> it off the top of my head. >> >> I'm curious, though, why this is a requirement? Are you going to be >> recording a loop in realtime and then suddenly changing its time signature? >> If so, then there are perhaps some other functions that might assist you >> with doing that rather than using the MTC spec. For instance, changing 4/4 >> to 3/4 would be rather easy by simply truncating the loop. 4/4 to 7/4 would >> be a 2x multiply, then a quick truncate from 8 beats to 7. Many other time >> signature changes are going to be very difficult with recorded audio data, >> however. But, then again, merely changing the time signature via MTC spec >> isn't going to do any deep editing of the lines either. >> >> If you can give us some idea why you need this over just standard Clock + >> MMC, maybe we can help with a more comprehensive answer. >> >> FWIW, a few hardware loopers I know if that support Clock are the >> Looperlative, EDP, and Repeater. Probably a couple more I'm forgetting too. >> >> --m. >> -- >> _____ >> "beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a halt >> beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me...." >> >> > --001636c9348826a92b0490b936b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The mighty Echoplex Digital Pro, i dont know any other hardware looper= that does it better and you can sore presets=A0of different=A0time signatu= res, if u wish.
It also has start,stop,start point,realign,Quantize sync midi mute sta= rt which sends start stop comands to a drum machine retrigger etc.
In my opinion is also the tightest when using it as a slave or master,= i just wish it would have been stereo but if u can find a second one you ar= e set,just sync them up!
cheers
Luis
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Matt Walsh <matt1walsh@gmail.= com> wrote:
Thanks folks. This is very helpf= ul. I think I have isunderstood some things and left some other pertinent i= nfo out. ;)

I will not be changing time signatures; but I will be doing a lot of 5,= 6,7.=A0 A scenario: I set up a 2 bar loop on my MPC60 at a tempo of 130 BPM= in 5/4. I create a rhythm/synth/sample track. The loop on the looper shoul= d be the same as the loop on the MPC. Time signature as such is actually no= t important. It just needs to be 10 beats at 130 BPM. The looper should als= o responding to the Play/stop commands on the MPC, so it should already be = playing the empty loop in sync with the MPC loop.

When I hit record I am essentially "punching in" over the syn= th. I will be feeding a mixer and singing/playing drums over the MPC base t= rack.

Is this clearer? Again, thanks for all the help!

Best,<= br> Matt=20


On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Dustbunnies <mech@= m3ch.net> wrote:
At 12:50 AM -0400 9/17/10, Matt Walsh wrote:

I'm somewhat= new to audio looping. I have been doing a form of looping by building up t= racks with my Akai MPC60 and sampler. I am thinking about syncing some audi= o loops into the mix, as it were.

So I am thinking of getting a real-deal audio looper. It will need to s= lave to to the Akai, and it will need to be a piece of hardware. Thing is, = it will not only need to slave tempo, but will need to slave time signature= as well. I'm not opposed to having to load a patch that has this data = in it, if need be. But it definitely needs to respond to play/stop commands= and stay in sync with the MPC.

Thoughts?

You may be out of luck as far= as hardware goes, since I believe that almost all hardware units respond t= o Midi Clock Sync and MMC (Midi Machine Control) commands. =A0IIRC, Time Si= gnature is a rather esoteric specification buried in MTC (Midi Time Code), = which there is little reason for audio loopers to implement. =A0(Even back = when I did a lot of soundtrack and post-production work, we never bothered = with that function. =A0In fact, I'd forgotten it existed until I just d= id a search)

MTC is mainly useful when syncing to SMPTE. =A0In most setups, you'= d want to be able to shuttle to different parts of a composition and have a= ll the instruments immediately know which section of the score at which the= y should begin. =A0Since most loopers merely record an audio loop then repl= ay it over and over (yes, I know I'm oversimplifying here guys) there&#= 39;s little advantage to MTC over Clock Sync + MMC, so most manufacturers d= on't bother with it. =A0In fact, I can't think of any hardware loop= ers at all that support it off the top of my head.

I'm curious, though, why this is a requirement? =A0Are you going to= be recording a loop in realtime and then suddenly changing its time signat= ure? =A0If so, then there are perhaps some other functions that might assis= t you with doing that rather than using the MTC spec. =A0For instance, chan= ging 4/4 to 3/4 would be rather easy by simply truncating the loop. =A04/4 = to 7/4 would be a 2x multiply, then a quick truncate from 8 beats to 7. =A0= Many other time signature changes are going to be very difficult with recor= ded audio data, however. =A0But, then again, merely changing the time signa= ture via MTC spec isn't going to do any deep editing of the lines eithe= r.

If you can give us some idea why you need this over just standard Clock= + MMC, maybe we can help with a more comprehensive answer.

FWIW, a = few hardware loopers I know if that support Clock are the Looperlative, EDP= , and Repeater. =A0Probably a couple more I'm forgetting too.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m.
--
_____
"be= yond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a halt
=A0= beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me...."
=


--001636c9348826a92b0490b936b7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 02:32:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CEF93BE8B; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:31:45 EDT Subject: re: stage solution needed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e6308.3544bdce.39c97311_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.5 sub 185 X-AOL-IP: 96.255.218.99 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Violindave@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <-kFS-D.A.9GH.nkBmMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:32:07 +0000 (UTC) --part1_e6308.3544bdce.39c97311_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Andy, I have the rack cases. It is how do I handle it so the rack cases are not sitting on the floor, where it is difficult to get to them to adjust, but worse I cannot see them easily. I need to raise and slant them back so I can adjust and see the dials and settings easily cheers dave --part1_e6308.3544bdce.39c97311_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Andy, I have the rack cases. It is how do I handle it so the= rack=20 cases are not sitting on the floor, where it is difficult to get to them= to=20 adjust, but worse I cannot see them easily.  I need to raise and slan= t them=20 back so I can adjust and see the dials and settings easily
 
cheers
dave
 --part1_e6308.3544bdce.39c97311_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 03:45:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 676CD3BE87; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 03:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05d501cb593f$c7604d20$6400a8c0@vulcan> From: "d.nix" To: References: Subject: Re: stage solution needed Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:47:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 03:45:09 +0000 (UTC) I believe this will do what you want; I have one and you can reverse the angle of the arms that hold the amp or rack case. It will easily hold a 4-8 rack unit case, and I'd imagine you could use shock or bungie cords for added security, tho I never have. If this isnt tall enough, I've seen similar ones that lift higher... http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Musician%27s-Gear-Deluxe-Amp-Stand?sku=451065 regards- Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 7:31 PM Subject: re: stage solution needed > Thanks Andy, I have the rack cases. It is how do I handle it so the rack > cases are not sitting on the floor, where it is difficult to get to them to > adjust, but worse I cannot see them easily. I need to raise and slant them > back so I can adjust and see the dials and settings easily > > cheers > dave > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 13:23:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA2CF3BE80; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0hJIJstDi9C+C6n8mNgC4uxnnRlu3DEFVP6HZWmnVA0=; b=ImJYczyC3YK0cTWv+oGGf3S0OHsv/An9nGteDU28BApDb2maEGWABSk6acTBoWpp7i 0Yahh4nG0LooWqbcggRG88Jq4P0Eay+ssfc0Z6oStbbjcdUUjp5oHLtjLYXdZXwn1QCu ExBHF9b9CuCj6TFTY+QjJNVB2y0At2BO+u2NQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NVe2ng8tU2spYF54Wevu4tbH/reJL0Pjso1WGSIxPOzxy4nFxJDeo2fcg3W7K+8Vky JLISkE/A2R90WNWSGiPzhJOmsRQy7PVLe3MRi7zKe385MUIMHGsuSuDmCtxEXgMUSm20 KCO9leFkw038TMTL3ghedDSTmNB/DES7vYjBs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:23:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:23:18 +0000 (UTC) http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests we're on facebook too: http://www.facebook.com/pages/signalsundertests/113768655305996 more info soon... thanks, Ricky On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Thanks! :-) > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:05 AM, =A0 wrote: >> gotta love those bad beats >> >> Antony >> www.mund.fr >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Fabio_A >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 10:29:34 AM >> Subject: Re: OT: Mecca >> >> I enjoyed=A0your song, Ricky, beautiful sounds and intense atmosphere. >> >> -fabio >> www.eterogeneo.com >> >> >> >> 2010/9/7 tEd =AE kiLLiAn >>> >>> I enjoyed this too. >>> >>> Nice work. >>> >>> Cool distressed/degenerated techno backing. >>> >>> ---- Ricky Graham wrote: >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> Thanks Luis. I will say "hi" to John for you. I may save the Belgian >>> beer until the CD is packaged! :) >>> >>> Take care man, >>> >>> Ricky >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Louie Angulo >>> wrote: >>> > Ricky it rocks! >>> > keep it up man and dont forget to say hello to Mr.King >>> > (how bout a Belgian beer?) >>> > Luis >>> > >>> > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Ricky Graham >>> > >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> And when I say digitally, I mean Wav, Mp3, Flac via the usual online >>> >> distributors/bandcamp etc. as well as a tangible disc :-) I need som= e >>> >> caffeine, me thinks. >>> >> >>> >> Ricky >>> >> >>> >> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ricky Graham >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Hi Jeremy, >>> >> > >>> >> > We're looking at a release date around the end of September at the >>> >> > moment. The release will be available digitally and on CD. Thanks = for >>> >> > the kind words. >>> >> > >>> >> > Ricky >>> >> > >>> >> > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jeremy devros >>> >> > >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> Mecca! Very sweet. When is the official release? >>> >> >> J.D. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> deafrose58 >>> >> >> >>> >> >> ________________________________ >>> >> >> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:17:23 -0500 >>> >> >> Subject: OT: Mecca >>> >> >> From: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com >>> >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Sneak peak of title track, "Mecca." >>> >> >> http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Feedback much appreciated! >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Ricky >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 13:55:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D41E3BE8A; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xyl0/jwiW/QVk3YOKvQZV4fEq0+MgAflcBX9+9naNHo=; b=nQf/nsc6/pqcn44rG60JMv9mTGL3uMHh5D1x7txHR5jbwpP140nyQ9IcYC0BVj34sf JSyR46lljz6iKeV682eJ393rUe+WFryVLdmC7/AKicvzfKS5m/2hoUGYC4vpuK7m/YZ4 9HjKixwuiOmLFzEBGHJxRCPF9g2RXdTih7Jw8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=e5x60cfGJ9xRzpdHMcoRkfBBAp6Hgon2iLyANo3aFhRflmbl2ZFRdU8iXDIRWf97tV qYU3By0X4xItKhEAHZOol6qLHaNYLIJDnDQdAOeUnkCUfMgXPanDpa7nKvsr/eaY22KG EqbBNCsZOlIdpOwoZAMDaQoxLVTKegUkUAlrs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:55:29 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0YYEo.A.OGG.ZlLmMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:55:37 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests > > we're on facebook too: > http://www.facebook.com/pages/signalsundertests/113768655305996 Exciting music you're making there! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 15:54:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 170A53BE88; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xTlhxBQ4M4v4bvXwGTDhnYekzZS2vD+WNiLNQUnAN+Q=; b=kQQn1kmSP7qvKGJv6zqWIwCPJ56X/1qv8G53VtbhFfuazHrQwBfU42JO1Vt3jlYFpP uqPEplvLBrs3UMgRoCLzbwFjJrsA3/OJn/oyXvOcetZB6yZlomykCbGqB50CgLGhwp4Q 41n3vTxi2ZDorImrsyx2/UdR4wp665jAjCGLM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=MlVe5Ijgbw8j8rkFgcaOYzEk4hXezxigwfaDLHUbQFowPB0CTGTHRQTMW/hpg7pN43 8vJTsBRYYwbBIG9gdQ0MwOTDmQ6ZpVOEVPNUaIquvgn4NO21t6hAsS2IKoEcwXKxKAzJ CEmLku199Al/io44JY1Y4/VinEZOTxbe/pcG4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:54:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Thank you, Per! :-) On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> http://www.myspace.com/signalsundertests >> >> we're on facebook too: >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/signalsundertests/113768655305996 > > > Exciting music you're making there! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 16:22:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0F5F3BE8A; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/D15/DmHSZP8lXnEVTLv4W/A9Oche9qjsucRm70qju8=; b=T3CYArh/SQxn4BgRsAnOVXvtHMxG9BoRztaL/AK2x7bq+A5AUavlCPDL4zRoIf/MHs Ez0cVNf387tXXhpQpqQm0ULSNkZKf41zKjMpEJIuNlJ0AvYcWRBrwbD/VT5DImrvWCB4 Qh+JBo+Znf+PDpeWdnzY6pPN/vXhpJ2YCzPUc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=OrNYfKf3KsjE4E5hQbyHSf2eVTmdlCODETtkqWcN5OnBy2sUIWVCn8y9MJhRDIk9VT eAREFWDMt+qsv9xssvKbFTqyUZOe8sD2wRR4zgIjdZDJLhfksGB0f241coht4J7nC1Cm 9gymoePVYVlyLOW81cwGXGt7J/gZ1SNuH399c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:22:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032557626e0eef0a0490c771e6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:22:57 +0000 (UTC) --00032557626e0eef0a0490c771e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Agree ! Good luck with your album, I really like the sound and the fact its atmosphere is coherent song by song... - Fabio www.eterogeneo.com > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Exciting music you're making there! > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se > > www.perboysen.com > > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > > > > > --00032557626e0eef0a0490c771e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Good luck with your album, I really like the sound and the fact its at= mosphere is coherent song by song...
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--00032557626e0eef0a0490c771e6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 16:27:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 068C53BE89; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=X0T6Q/MM9+0rurh1Qxl5IBnzOzqWsAikV9+ND939z24=; b=u1wWnkASCHyJF+wpS77c2OykBfF8vyoBcyGNs5/xnsePnDoRyWRI3wNqu3xkwS9FhA 1OL5qvjJTnU+X+vLumU4fss5B+c5hn84laTU9mMPP4bZihrrqVDLPbMtKYZsDOPRMUwD FCwvn0+AzkBgamRr0htLY7GPNmZf8sVFPqVNY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qToIuFmmMmcF3QwZs4rUUFqCvORjOuYPJnQR7bQDlMW/1Pbxk8XvSp32pwNSKB3UVP Q+zEQINX1v0CIiEBZx9ytQbYAIuH+wjzIldR1OPT/e+EBVGkziNgP0sm2lRlI5bbycSm QSqJbaQ6F80KolHvgHQR7hmMZkmhJg+XwnZJI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:27:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Cheers Fabio! On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Fabio_A wrote: > Agree ! > Good luck with your album, I really like the sound and the fact its > atmosphere is coherent song by song... > > - Fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > > >> >> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> > Exciting music you're making there! >> > >> > Greetings from Sweden >> > >> > Per Boysen >> > www.boysen.se >> > www.perboysen.com >> > www.looproom.com internet music hub >> > >> > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 18:02:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD7EB3BE8D; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_06d5529d-e2af-4a95-9e00-7256ec66ff2b_" X-Originating-IP: [86.136.226.190] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Nyle Steiner - EVI Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:02:21 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2010 18:02:21.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[23749040:01CB59B7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:02:22 +0000 (UTC) --_06d5529d-e2af-4a95-9e00-7256ec66ff2b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very cool indeed! g Date: Mon=2C 20 Sep 2010 12:03:18 -0400 Subject: Nyle Steiner - EVI From: jeffloops@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I ran into this on Facebook=2C I hadn't seen it before=2C pretty cool! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsfgoLMz2ewc = --_06d5529d-e2af-4a95-9e00-7256ec66ff2b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very cool indeed!
g

Date: Mon=2C 20 Sep 2= 010 12:03:18 -0400
Subject: Nyle Steiner - EVI
From: jeffloops@gmail.= com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I ran into this on Fa= cebook=2C I hadn't seen it before=2C pretty cool!

http://www.youtube= .com/watch?v=3DsfgoLMz2ewc
= --_06d5529d-e2af-4a95-9e00-7256ec66ff2b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 20:41:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F194D3BE8C; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #39505143 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19Us9JaAthUr3cfczg01EYTKOArhEVMdWXXrXVSRH 1AuuecjQQEeVtI Message-ID: <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:41:25 +0200 From: Nadia Salom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: site specific looping References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090105010803070405010901" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:41:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090105010803070405010901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear loopers, lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations and I find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. just wanted to know if others are also working with site specific performance work. here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing looping technique): http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64 direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example i love old staircases or torn down buildings... ciao Nadia -- http://www.nirmala07.net --------------090105010803070405010901 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear loopers,

lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations and I find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. just wanted to know if others are also working with site specific performance work.

here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing looping technique):
http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64

direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM

another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc

would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example i love old staircases or torn down buildings...

ciao
Nadia

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Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9h0L+DN0zkoeVAPMTX0Ue6FgGxpQBBe8nzno447WV+U=; b=KAe0W8P5mFRRcZSKz8u3/hwJeXgKaMPsdrwM2uuxGODe4QpkXAdFi+6osCTnjwwHYg vKtRzYdawwPCBriDrhMgdPVJXQ4WjX4bXJSie2ZKBfPpYQT1eQDcqzxqm2afZqAQq5t7 rFdYDl2sqzOc/N1vtF3uFwhsnECZjACtedVVA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=au/EHrWh4noTtAWVV3ntnduJcSMMPA7rTWfrz9BE6GtgJOopmNGeoRY+YVHWYQZogV nH6jd5XdtZf4tpgh9BCFvp6ItQw9C6/OX/O8iPBys4ReLbW4y7cPlo3tkO+Ko82OhNJu BGa9rWS21oSjjA2EbB6qsH7VhM9wAjH4gEXpo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:27:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: site specific looping From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba53a942dcf0410490cbb36e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:28:04 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba53a942dcf0410490cbb36e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Nadja, thanx for the links will be checking them out are u using Mobius to do your looping? Luis On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Nadia Salom wrote: > dear loopers, > > lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations and I > find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. just wanted to > know if others are also working with site specific performance work. > > here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing looping > technique): > > http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64 > > direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM > > another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc > > would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example i love > old staircases or torn down buildings... > > ciao > Nadia > > -- > > http://www.nirmala07.net > --90e6ba53a942dcf0410490cbb36e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Nadja,
thanx for the links will be checking them out
are u using Mobius to do your looping?
Luis

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.d= e> wrote:
dear loopers,

lately i hav= e been performing more and more in interesting locations and I find this is= getting to be a real essential part of my work. just wanted to know if oth= ers are also working with site specific performance work.

here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing loo= ping technique):
http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=3Dcom_conte= nt&view=3Dcategory&layout=3Dblog&id=3D34&Itemid=3D64
direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvkRv3qgd8lM=

another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): http:= //www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgtGVjHWpOzc

would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example i = love old staircases or torn down buildings...

ciao
Nadia


--90e6ba53a942dcf0410490cbb36e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 21:32:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0943C3BE8A; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C99245D.2040400@soundscapes.us> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:32:13 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Playlists To Last Week's Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Once again, Yahoo is wrecking havoc with my playlists. Here are links to last week's programs, the most recent Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and Thought Radio. Afterglow Playlist for September 16, 2010. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/playlists/2010/100916.html Galactic Travels Playlist #702 for September 16, 2010. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/100916.html Thought Radio Playlist for September 18, 2010. http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2010/100918.html Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 21:58:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A27B3BE81; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: site specific looping Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:58:20 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.240.99.46 In-Reply-To: <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32679-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD27EF3D004CEF-1274-4A74@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:58:36 +0000 (UTC) nadia....this is some wonderful stuff.....love it!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 22:16:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF9F23BE8B; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #39505143 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/ptB4D6njpoKltjPe063bzFXiRpRnuJcoPQUh40T z4G7Po4jxw8K8k Message-ID: <4C992EBE.7080608@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:16:30 +0200 From: Nadia Salom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: site specific looping References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030600020400050703080308" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:16:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030600020400050703080308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey i use ableton. im not a big techie, try to go as simple as possible. so much to think about. best nadia Am 21.09.10 23:27, schrieb Louie Angulo: > Hi Nadja, > thanx for the links will be checking them out > are u using Mobius to do your looping? > Luis > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Nadia Salom > wrote: > > dear loopers, > > lately i have been performing more and more in interesting > locations and I find this is getting to be a real essential part > of my work. just wanted to know if others are also working with > site specific performance work. > > here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all > utilizing looping technique): > http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64 > > > direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM > > another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc > > would love to hear comments about working in this way... for > example i love old staircases or torn down buildings... > > ciao > Nadia > > -- > > http://www.nirmala07.net > > -- http://www.nirmala07.net --------------030600020400050703080308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey
i use ableton. im not a big techie, try to go as simple as possible. so much to think about.

best
nadia
Am 21.09.10 23:27, schrieb Louie Angulo:
Hi Nadja,
thanx for the links will be checking them out
are u using Mobius to do your looping?
Luis

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.de> wrote:
dear loopers,

lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations and I find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. just wanted to know if others are also working with site specific performance work.

here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing looping technique):
http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64

direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM

another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc

would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example i love old staircases or torn down buildings...

ciao
Nadia




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--------------030600020400050703080308-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 22:17:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E53F3BE8D; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #39505143 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX194vc0ORFR4uRdCQELK1bWtffMEKMiCXdNpQi95kA dhFpsiN5HotxkP Message-ID: <4C992EF0.4040204@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:17:20 +0200 From: Nadia Salom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: site specific looping References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> <8CD27EF3D004CEF-1274-4A74@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CD27EF3D004CEF-1274-4A74@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090805090507050601090902" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:17:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090805090507050601090902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thank you! Am 21.09.10 23:58, schrieb nemoguitt@aol.com: > nadia....this is some wonderful stuff.....love it!!!!! > > > -- http://www.nirmala07.net --------------090805090507050601090902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thank you!
Am 21.09.10 23:58, schrieb nemoguitt@aol.com: 
nadia....this is some wonderful stuff.....love it!!!!!


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--------------090805090507050601090902-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 22:50:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BF0B3BE89; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qZTsxtT+QA/H8oGu15aZMGh+dQjJS1Zg6e8R8pwswt8=; b=h1eQ0qU8VbzcCuyGj3jW9fsd6uNGtUCw112BW3BzbCMbbPrdSP5fUc+Djnbvdvyyg9 ZJpuoTiy9OIoZ8lR7JyHTYmY/boHGHsNNhGziLlhoczn5Iu+2mB2brHgirWJTSD+UPO/ kMf/+e+D+EMx2nKCBptUJ5/0uZgtrBYBQ0rko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=k0hSm518FWLQA1kxVAsGRsn0q/9X0lp/GPE1KVRDgHmzeclN0BHm0dZdH/v0Prp29o jyhi03iTvUxMWZz6K5yO9m9cr89yzf6QihTc+z+0OwDn0xoQwsgXI3IAmH7lUm9bz+7J XRXNcPKmITCcBzwfbVFIvHpY/nes+536XnVEo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:50:27 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: For Your Listening Enjoyment From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:50:29 +0000 (UTC) If you're looking for some appropriately atmospheric and diffuse listening here is an hour and a half of such a thing I performed on the radio last week http://soundcloud.com/billowhead/bge-khsu-pt-1 http://soundcloud.com/billowhead/bge-khsu-pt-2 There is looping in there somewhere. Enjoy, Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 23:11:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 458213BE87; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Qq8BXuY6aowwHqoM1fNB/IP79PDVzDyGu441tZhCHxU=; b=WGpSzg1WYMxkHC7vsB7lRjsC8bIlnVQhDOCmlDhBNDEeRyfmDgVz8t7uoOeUz8mLSE 6PT75EaT7fgRl13YmTH10x1UkNAUk42xijvdpnFO/KWij8iaW/gPlwYxMopYmjhMmonr Kh67F9gE3ywyUp97/UnHLDhHA7au/b5vigGP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=k6n7p2KFZu8XDirMmmIKLO35U/pICMhcG29hJls59aAKhbzhujBWOvOt2DuBrETgMf h6ugPNAEo3Go9eMzpYLyZjDMNJPXdrJucW3MNQGE1PRWekfXmTkJB1YSbeHCLpcXWL+b SUr3YQeZWXd25BWsBBQm9msJ6jdX5CDaD6yCI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:40:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: james fowler To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd4d4f49fd6570490ccb5e0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:11:17 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd4d4f49fd6570490ccb5e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i've sent an email to tech support at eventide, so hopefully they'll be helpful. if that fails, i'll be calling them. if they'll just admit "hey, yeah...tempo sync doesn't work very well" then i can at least stop wasting my time trying to make it cooperate. - jim On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:12 PM, wrote: > I have been really frustrated with the midi on this thing- and the seeming > lack of sync between visual tempo and midi tempo. Mine have more to do with > creating initial loop and having the midi pulse make any sense- hard to > explain- will mess w it more and report back. > C > > Sent via soup cans and string. > ------------------------------ > *From: * james fowler > *Date: *Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:39:22 -0400 > *To: *loopers-delight > *ReplyTo: * Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject: *OT: eventide following clock > > anybody out there having a hard time getting their eventide to follow > incoming midi clock? to be more specific: the tempo button (and > corresponding bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get > the tempo-based modulations to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting > all over the place and thereby rendering it useless. plogue bidule is > generating the clock, btw. > > any and all help is appreciated. i've gotten no love from both plogue's > and eventide's forums. > > - jim > --000e0cd4d4f49fd6570490ccb5e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i've sent an email to tech support at eventide, so hopefully they'l= l be helpful.=A0 if that fails, i'll be calling them.=A0 if they'll= just admit "hey, yeah...tempo sync doesn't work very well" t= hen i can at least stop wasting my time trying to make it cooperate.

- jim

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:12 PM= , <cnovey@gmail.c= om> wrote:
I have been really frustrated with the midi on this thing- and the seemi= ng lack of sync between visual tempo and midi tempo. Mine have more to do w= ith creating initial loop and having the midi pulse make any sense- hard to= explain- will mess w it more and report back.
C

Sent via soup cans and string.

From: james fowler &= lt;twostroke@gmail= .com>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:39:22 -0400
Subject: OT: eventide following clock

anybody out there having a hard time get= ting their eventide to follow incoming midi clock?=A0 to be more specific: = the tempo button (and corresponding bpm values) are spot-on, but for the li= fe of me i can't get the tempo-based modulations to sync and the modula= ted parameter is drifting all over the place and thereby rendering it usele= ss.=A0 plogue bidule is generating the clock, btw.

any and all help is appreciated.=A0 i've gotten no love from both p= logue's and eventide's forums.

- jim

--000e0cd4d4f49fd6570490ccb5e0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 21 23:50:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2389D3BE8D; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: jayrope LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100921211228.DDE0D3BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: site specific looping Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 01:50:22 +0200 References: <20100921211228.DDE0D3BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:50:26 +0000 (UTC) hey nadia, "site specific looping" is your term for playing a completely new concert each time on a new location i'd guess? yes, we do that, too. http://aircushionfinish.bandcamp.com *jrp - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > dear loopers, > > lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations > and I find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. > just wanted to know if others are also working with site specific > performance work. > > here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing > looping technique): > http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64 > > direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM > > another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc > > would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example > i love old staircases or torn down buildings... > > ciao > Nadia > > -- > http://www.nirmala07.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 03:04:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8213B3BE8A; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 03:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=29hGuvFqVum0rE8llf0he+0zns9yy9oxXtlPR1410LQ=; b=KOsbhmHj2PUZaL+ZH/1ctVgUoFyJ/QjkvL+ffqm+lkTfhn+3mCpYBHiZ8u6y8u+ii6 lBQpRhQluo0U+UIiBVcn6ww0Bug/cLGzv1T5nCnMgTLLewqIva1Kogx2ThQQkswqPH1M Q1SuM8wcl/eJTSKGerHrmZ9LERGnoU1ZQwQhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VYPTsrDpcHw8SdGyKBGmbtIrg1dz3X9nOslmmfWeIogpEp7KhEVfCaEEVPoQb3xzrh yPzvW9bfvRNUPMZmFI0ru5apICCCAvGsfH7p9vWXCPX6YNVtocCMUNrLQm4+GJ7O4Sel DQ4fa941WnQtGl5KJwPadk/hcIRza7ytN9KB4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:04:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: site specific looping From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 03:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Hey Nadia, The Musicworks issue from fall 2009 has a bunch of articles on the context of performance and site specific music. The music extermination night article should be of particular interest to you. www.musicworks.ca/backissues-105fall2009.asp On Tuesday, September 21, 2010, Nadia Salom wrote: > > > > > > > dear loopers, > > lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations > and I find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. > just wanted to know if others are also working with site specific > performance work. > > here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing > looping technique): > http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Dcategory&l= ayout=3Dblog&id=3D34&Itemid=3D64 > > direct links to video: Music Performance 17th of September 2010 Rorin= gen G=F6ttingen=A0 > > another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): > Performance Documentation - MMX Berlin - August 27th 2010=A0 > > would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example > i love old staircases or torn down buildings... > > ciao > Nadia > > -- > http://www.nirmala07.net > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 07:16:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D75A3BE8C; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:16:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=tjffrro4XPTFf1bAo7Ed+5nUGbjtYu2+a1zVL4+7k5A=; b=c8MnZGpXvrl+qwgpLLi4OPrGBz6oC69DQWcOp1efbg4YCPAR7Pl08GNltdhR9b/gHI iJlNQbGa4lIzYvu8ybjBU67MT+Rn07NIlmg9v8pAPQt/7viiQPVGONbQFRoRkHL2mVS8 5Pl1UxQg+ABg2mwbC6c6CRT7ePG+79u9dcxQY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=iW5SyKtnBYsDhg5fA8sKmvS0Y5xIPRLL6cCA2zlKriXv4ohYhyI31REvCcUNSInC6d GlT8+iXg/V4STobNGDLfbROhQKKHAka9xAgNFF7tQSbq0jGIb1ts7oOC+lMVrY+S3Jn8 qXZwXh+gzuym7tRyZa02vk4PCx1FmmMsXL3/8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20100921211228.DDE0D3BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:16:04 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ofYg7-KqdfEmpa-YEPXHnc6ahtU Message-ID: Subject: Re: site specific looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6509e425217c90490d3ec50 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:16:25 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6509e425217c90490d3ec50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don=B4t think Nadia was claiming that site-specific was HER term. To put = my understanding of the word as it is used in Art generally, is that the site where the piece is performed has something to say about the piece itself, i= t maybe special acoustics, or a history/story attached to the place. It may have some architecture that allows the performer to move in a particular wa= y in relationship to the audience, or it may refer to "playing of the place" itself. Via hits and percussion... I think maybe of us, as improvisors will find themselves reacting to the venue, however, doing a new concert each time in a new location is called "= a gig". ,-) Lovely stuff Nadia... (my first ever girlfriend when I was 8 or 9 was called Nadia.. ahhh where i= s she now?) Mark On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:50 AM, jayrope LD wrote: > hey nadia, "site specific looping" is your term for playing > a completely new concert each time on a new location i'd guess? > yes, we do that, too. > http://aircushionfinish.bandcamp.com > *jrp > - - - > jayrope > http://www.kliklak.net > > > On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:12 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > dear loopers, >> >> lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations and= I >> find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. just wanted= to >> know if others are also working with site specific performance work. >> >> here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing >> looping technique): >> >> http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Dcategory&= layout=3Dblog&id=3D34&Itemid=3D64 >> >> direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvkRv3qgd8lM >> >> another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgtGVjHWpOzc >> >> would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example i >> love old staircases or torn down buildings... >> >> ciao >> Nadia >> >> -- >> http://www.nirmala07.net >> >> > --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016e6509e425217c90490d3ec50 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don=B4t think Nadia was claiming that site-specific was HER term. To put = my understanding of the word as it is used in Art generally, is that the si= te where the piece is performed has something to say about the piece itself= , it maybe special acoustics, or a history/story attached to the place. It = may have some architecture that allows the performer to move in a particula= r way in relationship to the audience, or it may refer to "playing of = the place" itself. Via hits and percussion...

I think maybe of us, as improvisors will find themselves reacting to th= e venue, however, doing a new concert each time in a new location is called= "a gig".

,-)

Lovely stuff Nadia...

(my fir= st ever girlfriend when I was 8 or 9 was called Nadia.. ahhh where is she n= ow?)


Mark


On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at = 1:50 AM, jayrope LD <jrploopers@kliklak.net> wrote:
hey nadia, "site specific looping" is your term for playing
a completely new concert each time on a new location i'd guess?
yes, we do that, too.
http://a= ircushionfinish.bandcamp.com
*jrp
- - -
jayrope
http://www.kliklak.net=


On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-del= ight.com wrote:

dear loopers,

lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations and I = find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. just wanted to= know if others are also working with site specific performance work.

here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing looping= technique):
http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Dcatego= ry&layout=3Dblog&id=3D34&Itemid=3D64

direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvkRv3qgd8lM

another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): http://www.yo= utube.com/watch?v=3DgtGVjHWpOzc

would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example i love= old staircases or torn down buildings...

ciao
Nadia

--
http://www.nirmala07= .net





--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
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--0016e6509e425217c90490d3ec50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 07:25:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 400C13BE89; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1285140311; l=5147; s=domk; d=christojota.de; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:To: From:X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH; bh=j0yCigZL66GgyRRq1fPMd5D5LtI=; b=n0TJr11gaOxdbB0RQpzXBZqo5CkliDv8atL/soy9grvaX0vyWcJSJOvax1nqtPywd1k ezSt8mtC+2/MGMpcoI75N0OoIsznHOrUq3bH+LzL6Jy04YOi4KsilFz2K83cBs7sHKAbh Z+nFMLyyQ4E4q+Ym2Ov8y+MYKGyXeqGes/s= X-RZG-AUTH: :L2QWfFOIePcNBmV0yywuLUHS8OM2DDVxTuoYQATZ0ef73CyxOAEvvWjBOblRsw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Message-ID: <1484855C8EEE41F68B5FCF3102D580A5@Christojota> From: "Christo Jota" To: References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> Subject: Re: site specific looping Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:05:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009F_01CB5A35.3E9FD5E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01CB5A35.3E9FD5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nadia, I performed with my musical partner d:on:m in some churches this year. These are good locations for our music, which is kind of meditative = Ambient music, with some looping stuff for sure. As you are from Germany too, maybe we should exchange some contacts for live gigs, what do you think?=20 Best, Christo www.christojota.de From: Nadia Salom=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: site specific looping dear loopers, lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations and = I find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. just = wanted to know if others are also working with site specific performance = work.=20 here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing = looping technique): http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Dcategory&l= ayout=3Dblog&id=3D34&Itemid=3D64 direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvkRv3qgd8lM another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgtGVjHWpOzc would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example i = love old staircases or torn down buildings...=20 ciao Nadia=20 --=20 http://www.nirmala07.net ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01CB5A35.3E9FD5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Nadia,
I performed with my musical partner d:on:m in = some=20 churches this year.
These are good locations for our music, which = is kind of=20 meditative Ambient music,
with some looping stuff for sure.
As you are from Germany too, maybe we should = exchange=20 some contacts for
live gigs, what do you think?
Best,
Christo
www.christojota.de

From: Nadia Salom
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:41 PM
Subject: site specific looping

dear loopers,

lately i have been performing more = and more=20 in interesting locations and I find this is getting to be a real = essential part=20 of my work. just wanted to know if others are also working with site = specific=20 performance work.

here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th = Performance are=20 all utilizing looping technique):
http://www.nirmal= a07.net/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Dcategory&layout=3Db= log&id=3D34&Itemid=3D64

direct=20 links to video: http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DvkRv3qgd8lM

another=20 looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DgtGVjHWpOzc

would=20 love to hear comments about working in this way... for example i love = old=20 staircases or torn down buildings...

ciao
Nadia

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http://www.nirmala07.net

<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01CB5A35.3E9FD5E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 07:35:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D3313BE8A; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=8DxqdVuzHqZcHWQkfKP8XpZQhIUYspdlLKZdDkw2jKc=; b=XeW6o52O0ImN5yN2vJ0WzTT2XfipYfhCm1NPxW3z1VokFde3GquMyCsWsC4iEqAWm+ eLKR5xMioeWHPcrnlsHHBnZDk1jZi99PGitTGoyBliH/CUCfD7kacKig4DmGxsO+f2aS MHlkEvROGCOSLXr+2ufs5d5Px6u6ETYyMA0QM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=V0Cp5/ez3AG8aJcNZAsFlwXf3jKPC22Af60bK22RNo/nkt436LIzoaUhLTySZDipF4 YqfE+VP6FVMTsI4U9eDpiHpzOhSavuWm9NMr3pTDwLuSmjbjCylzxmtC6fyuNQDHfAZu gjkgwtmVIJn1hX2bbu3g7FDJGvMLVkEdP0NbQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:34:53 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: nqKiPVDTHbQ5uSkEsjytLWpjglg Message-ID: Subject: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09fa21cb49ffcc60490d42f74 Resent-Message-ID: <4NKVmC.A.GbD.xGbmMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:35:13 +0000 (UTC) --00c09fa21cb49ffcc60490d42f74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 One slightly controversial comment I have after watching these clips of Nadia again, that brings back the fear into me.. is... (donning fire retardant spider-man costume) What is with these German audiances? Nadia has almost packed up and gone home and put her feet up in front of the fire with a good book, before they start to react? Are they crazy, or maybe stunned? (Actually THIS is the controversial comment) When I used to play in germany, We often got this reaction, absolute silence during songs, minimal applause inbetween.. till the end, then.. after we had left the stage and thinking "God, they hated us", they would go CRAZY demanding 3 or 4 encores.. What is that...? It would put me in a bad mood during the show and had NO idea that they were enjoying it? Is this normal, directed at the german LDer,s Rainer etc? I think manly it because germans really listen, and listen hard (I think Stockhausen said this at a lecture I attended - is he German? I think so.. that the rest of Europe has to learn to listen!!!) and as such, maybe they are more absorbed, and it takes some time to snap out of it? If thats it, then its a compliment I guess.. still very off-putting. (and before anyone jumps at me for being generalistic, or god forbid, rascist.. Im just reporting what I promise was the case for me... never saw it anywhere else - except perhaps one strange gig in Scotland, on April fools day, when the audience played a trick on us by NEVER applauding once.. ha ha! very fucking funny... Mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00c09fa21cb49ffcc60490d42f74 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One slightly controversial comment I have after watching these clips of Nad= ia again, that brings back the fear into me.. is... (donning fire retardant= spider-man costume) What is with these German audiances? Nadia has almost = packed up and gone home and put her feet up in front of the fire with a goo= d book, before they start to react? Are they crazy, or maybe stunned?

(Actually THIS is the controversial comment) When I used to play in ger= many, We often got this reaction, absolute silence during songs, minimal ap= plause inbetween.. till the end, then.. after we had left the stage and thi= nking "God, they hated us", they would go CRAZY demanding 3 or 4 = encores.. What is that...?
It would put me in a bad mood during the show and had NO idea that they wer= e enjoying it?

Is this normal, directed at the german LDer,s Rainer = etc?

I think manly it because germans really listen, and listen har= d (I think Stockhausen said this at a lecture I attended - is he German? I = think so.. that the rest of Europe has to learn to listen!!!) and as such, = maybe they are more absorbed, and it takes some time to snap out of it?

If thats it, then its a compliment I guess.. still very off-putting. (a= nd before anyone jumps at me for being generalistic, or god forbid, rascist= .. Im just reporting what I promise was the case for me... never saw it any= where else - except perhaps one strange gig in Scotland, on April fools day= , when the audience played a trick on us by NEVER applauding once.. ha ha! = very fucking funny...

Mark

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http://www.looop.no
--00c09fa21cb49ffcc60490d42f74-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 08:32:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AC323BE8B; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #39505143 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18AMrJBdbkA+pinaBjB8mkrl+hF5zEvpZrPYK7MZ/ yYJPokAJXi6Jk5 Message-ID: <4C99BEFD.6060803@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:31:57 +0200 From: Nadia Salom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: site specific looping References: <20100921211228.DDE0D3BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040801090302050608000703" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:32:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040801090302050608000703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yes, the thing is sometimes I really do not like calling myself a musician. During performance I consider my voice to be an active medium in the moment, relating directly to the space I am playing in and the people in the audience. So I am finding the term performance art much more appropriate. Although I find it very frustrating to be using terms to defines ones work, in this case it can be helpful in order to differenciate the intention behind the work. Site specific is usually a term used in the art context. Mark has described it well. My performances do not relate directly to the architecture through symbolic use of imagery or language, expect my most recent performance in the attic of the pastors house, but since they are developed purely in the situation and space I would venture to say that being site specific is definitely a direction the work is going. I dont really know if it is a german thing... I do believe there is definite a bit of a schock value and that in a way I am playing with that, especially when I suddenly ended the piece on the flat. So I guess, people dont really know how to react, perhaps no one really wants to break the quiet atmosphere. I found it good that they did not immediately clap at the end of the performance. In the past I have had issues dealing with the reactions of the audience, but now I guess I've gotten more or less of a tough skin... @jayrope thx for the link, the recordings had a very nice texture, do you have pics? @Sylvain i couldnt read the article, do I have to purchase the magazine in order to read it????? @christo sure would love to ! Am 22.09.10 09:16, schrieb mark francombe: > I don´t think Nadia was claiming that site-specific was HER term. To > put my understanding of the word as it is used in Art generally, is > that the site where the piece is performed has something to say about > the piece itself, it maybe special acoustics, or a history/story > attached to the place. It may have some architecture that allows the > performer to move in a particular way in relationship to the audience, > or it may refer to "playing of the place" itself. Via hits and > percussion... > > I think maybe of us, as improvisors will find themselves reacting to > the venue, however, doing a new concert each time in a new location is > called "a gig". > > ,-) > > Lovely stuff Nadia... > > (my first ever girlfriend when I was 8 or 9 was called Nadia.. ahhh > where is she now?) > > > Mark > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:50 AM, jayrope LD > wrote: > > hey nadia, "site specific looping" is your term for playing > a completely new concert each time on a new location i'd guess? > yes, we do that, too. > http://aircushionfinish.bandcamp.com > *jrp > - - - > jayrope > http://www.kliklak.net > > > On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:12 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com > wrote: > > dear loopers, > > lately i have been performing more and more in interesting > locations and I find this is getting to be a real essential > part of my work. just wanted to know if others are also > working with site specific performance work. > > here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all > utilizing looping technique): > http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64 > > > direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM > > another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc > > would love to hear comments about working in this way... for > example i love old staircases or torn down buildings... > > ciao > Nadia > > -- > http://www.nirmala07.net > > > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no -- http://www.nirmala07.net --------------040801090302050608000703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes, the thing is sometimes I really do not like calling myself a musician. During performance I consider my voice to be an active medium in the moment, relating directly  to the space I am playing in and the people in the audience. So I am finding the term performance art much more appropriate. Although I find it very frustrating to be using terms to defines ones work, in this case it can be helpful in order to differenciate the intention behind the work. Site specific is usually a term used in the art context. Mark has described it well. My performances do not relate directly to the architecture through symbolic use of imagery or language, expect my most recent performance in the attic of the pastors house, but since they are developed purely in the situation and space I would venture to say that being site specific is definitely a direction the work is going.
I dont really know if it is a german thing... I do believe there is definite a bit of a schock value and that in a way I am playing with that, especially when I suddenly ended the piece on the flat. So I guess, people dont really know how to react, perhaps no one really wants to break the quiet atmosphere. I found it good that they did not immediately clap at the end of the performance. In the past I have had issues dealing with the reactions of the audience, but now I guess I've gotten more or less of a tough skin...

@jayrope thx for the link, the recordings had a very nice texture, do you have pics?
@Sylvain i couldnt read the article, do I have to purchase the magazine in order to read it?????
@christo sure would love to !

Am 22.09.10 09:16, schrieb mark francombe:
I don´t think Nadia was claiming that site-specific was HER term. To put my understanding of the word as it is used in Art generally, is that the site where the piece is performed has something to say about the piece itself, it maybe special acoustics, or a history/story attached to the place. It may have some architecture that allows the performer to move in a particular way in relationship to the audience, or it may refer to "playing of the place" itself. Via hits and percussion...

I think maybe of us, as improvisors will find themselves reacting to the venue, however, doing a new concert each time in a new location is called "a gig".

,-)

Lovely stuff Nadia...

(my first ever girlfriend when I was 8 or 9 was called Nadia.. ahhh where is she now?)


Mark


On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:50 AM, jayrope LD <jrploopers@kliklak.net> wrote:
hey nadia, "site specific looping" is your term for playing
a completely new concert each time on a new location i'd guess?
yes, we do that, too.
http://aircushionfinish.bandcamp.com
*jrp
- - -
jayrope
http://www.kliklak.net


On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:

dear loopers,

lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations and I find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. just wanted to know if others are also working with site specific performance work.

here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing looping technique):
http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64

direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM

another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc

would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example i love old staircases or torn down buildings...

ciao
Nadia

--
http://www.nirmala07.net





--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


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http://www.nirmala07.net

--------------040801090302050608000703-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 08:48:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 914093BE87; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IiRym6efIJY0hCRsCCeR9h422nGkBhsnN/JDruNvK6o=; b=fzRXactRoHeyCBP18pI6iJpv1EQOxZiIjcNpIVMnQjH/PpfTgtpzvDW3yqRlH4+LDw XevM2869UNDiP94aS/sT05Nu5CGFbJ/ExhOEHd11EQre3AN+h4LqTP7FpTqytwQ3S7F+ 1egTaxJrEEDCs9VI0OA9PEl2v0WhSQIpOBF+A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=g/Cwl3h24wX3AU+vFkriQXKpahHP66XdgjX6FmZa+9OYhgo5Tthpms/iqXCy4BA7Le YfEbO/hikkqOFXzePdXTx2Raq/yg4EG/vO7LH/HA9bYwf/W9apDP/+cQRzK0tJMe4CQ0 KZFkRRdv+NSPldc/Fj9s1pzF2/Ljls+yUcA5U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:48:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Mark said: "Is this normal, directed at the german LDer,s Rainer etc? I think manly it because germans really listen, and listen hard (I think Stockhausen said this at a lecture I attended - is he German? I think so.. that the rest of Europe has to learn to listen!!!) and as such, maybe they are more absorbed, and it takes some time to snap out of it?" So, here's my theory of it: First of all, I just claim that people who listen to the odd stuff a lot of us do (including Nadja and you ;) do often have a background in classical (including contemporary classical) music. The accepted behaviour for classical concert audiences (mainly ever since the Romantic era - see below) is not to interfere with the performance as long as it lasts and save the applause for after the piece (for works with multiple movements, until after the whole performance has been finished). And as there are works which work with extended pauses, the safe bet for the audience is to wait until the performer clearly shows that he is done. [note: behaviour in classical music events hasn't always been like that. Especially during the Wiener Klassik era (CPE Bach, Mozart, Haydn), a lot of performances happened by the ensemble of a wealthy peers to accompany their dinner or garden parties. This did only change when performances were moved more into a public context, and it also took composers as prolific and self-assured as Beethoven to keep people from loudly talking or walking around during a performance. As another note, Richard Wagner was the guy who, against great resistance from the opera audiences at that time, would include the rules that the lights in the audience were turned off during the actual performance and talking was prohibited. This mode of enjoying music performance has more or less remained constant since then in the classical realm - except from occasional fisticuffs and punchfests like at the premiere of Berg's "Zw=F6lf kleine Orchesterst=FCcke", or Strawinsky knocking out Debussy at the premiere of "Le Sacre du Printemps".] So simply, even if you're working with chainsaws or whatever, as long as it's understood it's "neither rock nor jazz", audiences in Germany will behave like this. You all be the judge if that is good or bad - but at least, it allows us to use a huge dynamic range, include drawn-out periods of silence etc. Yours, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 08:54:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0B993BE88; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=6RT+HZTbUGtQqz0Td9/bBhn7ID+2ZFz2Az/OLlC9FKg=; b=sYHxG8YR37ZtYe8uobrlzaO95pY/V1a81ylYpP6hdGT22RAfT5xf646oaVJOY+vmYM Yu5+VXTbAbiDUhMwHolaNS+0dbKu6kPqfAQVEPVzqjh+btWilNAEVkJUj5XPADuOhZvi xqTAB+9HreCfciKlb7Y768CBWIzp1Z2kdKkdM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=cdiVm904pi3Ot69JnGejpVEC2eHcLLZ6dWCUXvTpeWJAtU3xL5vtsl1tM6iKELAObg jdoWCY9CzE21zKCGVVLQazj4c1UoRrRIoPci8SRoz/er+3x8YoM3cZoLYE54L8wnQ6rV /HblWk7BFxSIM6MlAl5JzWmeav/fy+i2xPT4c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:53:11 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b9epNFXEjS94pvAcqippPutBTfU Message-ID: Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64beaf0a40b4b0490d54740 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:54:00 +0000 (UTC) --0016e64beaf0a40b4b0490d54740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 @Rainer.. Cool interesting anwser... So am I right..? that German audiences DO tend to be like this? So why Germany? mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016e64beaf0a40b4b0490d54740 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 @Rainer.. Cool interesting anwser...
So am I right..? that German audiences DO tend to be like this?

So why Germany?

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--0016e64beaf0a40b4b0490d54740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 09:00:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD68F3BE8B; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1009220018 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.0.10011,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-09-22_05:2010-09-22,2010-09-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <98CB9821CAFE4318AF0010627A8FF111@NORBY11> From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 01:59:53 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:00:20 +0000 (UTC) There is at least one piece where it is acceptable to clap after the third movement, Tchaikovsky's 6th Symph. And Sibelius's 7th Symphony is all in one movement so it is acceptable to clap after the "first" movement there as well. t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:48 AM Subject: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) Mark said: "Is this normal, directed at the german LDer,s Rainer etc? I think manly it because germans really listen, and listen hard (I think Stockhausen said this at a lecture I attended - is he German? I think so.. that the rest of Europe has to learn to listen!!!) and as such, maybe they are more absorbed, and it takes some time to snap out of it?" So, here's my theory of it: First of all, I just claim that people who listen to the odd stuff a lot of us do (including Nadja and you ;) do often have a background in classical (including contemporary classical) music. The accepted behaviour for classical concert audiences (mainly ever since the Romantic era - see below) is not to interfere with the performance as long as it lasts and save the applause for after the piece (for works with multiple movements, until after the whole performance has been finished). And as there are works which work with extended pauses, the safe bet for the audience is to wait until the performer clearly shows that he is done. [note: behaviour in classical music events hasn't always been like that. Especially during the Wiener Klassik era (CPE Bach, Mozart, Haydn), a lot of performances happened by the ensemble of a wealthy peers to accompany their dinner or garden parties. This did only change when performances were moved more into a public context, and it also took composers as prolific and self-assured as Beethoven to keep people from loudly talking or walking around during a performance. As another note, Richard Wagner was the guy who, against great resistance from the opera audiences at that time, would include the rules that the lights in the audience were turned off during the actual performance and talking was prohibited. This mode of enjoying music performance has more or less remained constant since then in the classical realm - except from occasional fisticuffs and punchfests like at the premiere of Berg's "Zwölf kleine Orchesterstücke", or Strawinsky knocking out Debussy at the premiere of "Le Sacre du Printemps".] So simply, even if you're working with chainsaws or whatever, as long as it's understood it's "neither rock nor jazz", audiences in Germany will behave like this. You all be the judge if that is good or bad - but at least, it allows us to use a huge dynamic range, include drawn-out periods of silence etc. Yours, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 09:36:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84FF73BE87; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: jayrope LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100922084848.34D3C3BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V10 #689 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:36:24 +0200 References: <20100922084848.34D3C3BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:36:27 +0000 (UTC) @mark term =3D word. gig =3D paid ;) @nadia interesting, how similar music can get, while you seem to =20 approach this from an art or performance art perspective whereas we =20 approach this from a musicians perspective. or vice versa, if in =20 question. ha. we oftently play in art galleries, too - if you visit =20 Berlin again we could set up a double night somewhere, maybe in =20 Biesenthal: http://biesentales.com - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Sep 22, 2010, at 10:48 AM, = Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com=20 wrote: > I don=B4t think Nadia was claiming that site-specific was HER term. To = =20 > put my understanding of the word as it is used in Art generally, is =20= > that the site where the piece is performed has something to say =20 > about the piece itself, it maybe special acoustics, or a history/=20 > story attached to the place. It may have some architecture that =20 > allows the performer to move in a particular way in relationship to =20= > the audience, or it may refer to "playing of the place" itself. Via =20= > hits and percussion... > > I think maybe of us, as improvisors will find themselves reacting to =20= > the venue, however, doing a new concert each time in a new location =20= > is called "a gig". > > ,-) > > Lovely stuff Nadia... > > (my first ever girlfriend when I was 8 or 9 was called Nadia.. ahhh =20= > where is she now?) > > > Mark > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:50 AM, jayrope LD =20= > wrote: > hey nadia, "site specific looping" is your term for playing > a completely new concert each time on a new location i'd guess? > yes, we do that, too. > http://aircushionfinish.bandcamp.com > *jrp > - - - > jayrope > http://www.kliklak.net > > > On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:12 PM, = Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com=20 > wrote: > > dear loopers, > > lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations =20= > and I find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. =20 > just wanted to know if others are also working with site specific =20 > performance work. > > here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing =20= > looping technique): > = http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Dcategory&la= yout=3Dblog&id=3D34&Itemid=3D64 > > direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvkRv3qgd8lM > > another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgtGVjHWpOzc > > would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example =20= > i love old staircases or torn down buildings... > > ciao > Nadia > > --=20 > http://www.nirmala07.net > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 09:47:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F8953BE8D; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iXLiZrQ/VvLm4oCnZeW2Fm2VKHcLR27Gwv/0Wmf6Nmo=; b=Xt0eiCpmzYaY4auU+Gl5uUxvL/0MPU8ZW/ohSW679yCzqedbcJOdLlrQgmzHpp0zO1 FNQSxTuccIMwX4Tru+zwuWZ7M8u/FS2kigDRTsDOmH1NywffNMbRBomH28+jL3ZglUW+ 5KKddHkMsz21MHxn52lMTMTNy5QbmbeQhBs34= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=vACnIZqJ71Znf4Zr9Eh2GmkgIYK2FFRy4omOUnhZwRyKej7Oigxo5ncC3TK72t+amQ JJLXG/gw9cjvT+7T3gUaggEBAas2tXoCgDkLdSsuHWqo4MjC52ZXQPPBIbie5/AUP+5m L9hAZjTOo6ZqWPUBgtqFEHIJUKVUOKQRSji7g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:47:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:47:34 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > [note: behaviour in classical music events hasn't always been like > that.... //// Very interesting note from Rainer there! I didn't know that social part of the classical music history. Thanks for telling! I did some touring in Germany by the mid nineties and had a similar experience as Mark of the German audiences. In my case though, the musical setting was rather commercial pop/rock/techno at major record label level and many concerts were promotion gigs for music business VIPs. But we did some gigs at German dance clubs as well and it was quite amazing how "civilized" people acted - I mean, even when the intensity was high and they were totally into the performance everyone seemed to keep the analytical approach. Just before the German tours we had done a long and intensive tour through five countries in South East Asia and with the exception from Tokyo the Asian audiences behaved wild compared to the Germans. Bear in mind though that these experiences come from the commercial party-rock-indie-dance-techno scene. I remember the record label's marketing guys used to say that "Germany is the best market, "loyal" because people tend to buy as many records as you put advertising money into the marketing budget. UK is totally unpredictable, an island of half crazy people that might love you or not-care-at-all no matter what marketing resources you throw at them. And US record stores has way too low record prices to make it worthwhile.... if you don't get a hit over there 'cause it is such a huge market (even though with less margins)." Funny memories form "the old world". Today those markets are almost dead. Another funny memory, associated with "Germany", is when Apple bought Emagic in 2002 (?), took over the music software Logic and put out adds like "German Precision meets American Design". Funny to me back then, because during the "corporate-rock-thing" touring I had experienced so much German non-precision and some ultimately ugly US stuff too. I guess those popular sayings were already decades old by then ;-) Germany actually had the best engineers and scientists in the world at the beginning of the previous century but many of those genius guys had to run from the Nazis and ended up in USA where they kept on their great work. We talk a lot here (me and my gaming sons) about possible alternative real-life history, which is another interesting topic... But hey - what about Norwegian audiences! Mark...? Germans and Norwegians seem both very interesting people to me. Special in many ways. It's an interesting topic how all this comes through in how an audience is experienced from the performers sides. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 10:13:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54B403BE8E; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=XGI1qDO7QJntMID8MzVMaEN5O/hahxeDY21T4AIROWU=; b=D37l6SKbeIr6MvrDifRGxdp8FGdfJzsXbKK57Mo/5Nx7gC37EiYoLvYMsFW9NjUbuH +LMa/YClr1WGzrQ6E6G47QuZUA+sBKM5HjN+GLCyhD/ER8HZ/xlW3G9W2KYPnh8iQW2C llON3dGA8vtVWws8ZpB5U/hasFe5ML+gXzSmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=xyGDe2OwMmj7vWAZ00C6EsP5cEKlmQnDu/Ft3RflByMiYavRe1TMznKiMDxlcO3eFb CW81X64Q/rxLDMC3Am8XV7UC8f87OX1B0B7QY0Ppty5gxNtWYxeciFoI3FbeHzifMVa4 FC4ahHSsg83vd7ENHlbAcjhHZvVBXlRmteNH4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--246986258 Message-Id: <8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> From: Simeon Harris Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:12:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:13:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--246986258 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed are you using the latest software? i had the same problem, but when i upgraded the eventide to 4.01, it got much better sim On 21 Sep 2010, at 23:40, james fowler wrote: > i've sent an email to tech support at eventide, so hopefully > they'll be helpful. if that fails, i'll be calling them. if > they'll just admit "hey, yeah...tempo sync doesn't work very well" > then i can at least stop wasting my time trying to make it cooperate. > > - jim > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:12 PM, wrote: > I have been really frustrated with the midi on this thing- and the > seeming lack of sync between visual tempo and midi tempo. Mine have > more to do with creating initial loop and having the midi pulse > make any sense- hard to explain- will mess w it more and report back. > C > Sent via soup cans and string. > > From: james fowler > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:39:22 -0400 > To: loopers-delight > ReplyTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: eventide following clock > > anybody out there having a hard time getting their eventide to > follow incoming midi clock? to be more specific: the tempo button > (and corresponding bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me > i can't get the tempo-based modulations to sync and the modulated > parameter is drifting all over the place and thereby rendering it > useless. plogue bidule is generating the clock, btw. > > any and all help is appreciated. i've gotten no love from both > plogue's and eventide's forums. > > - jim > --Apple-Mail-1--246986258 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
are you using the latest software? i had the same problem, but when = i upgraded the eventide to 4.01, it got much = better

sim

On 21 Sep 2010, = at 23:40, james fowler wrote:

i've sent = an email to tech support at eventide, so hopefully they'll be = helpful.  if that fails, i'll be calling them.  if they'll = just admit "hey, yeah...tempo sync doesn't work very well" then i can at = least stop wasting my time trying to make it cooperate.

- = jim

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:12 PM, = <cnovey@gmail.com> = wrote:
I have been really frustrated with the midi on this thing- and = the seeming lack of sync between visual tempo and midi tempo. Mine have = more to do with creating initial loop and having the midi pulse make any = sense- hard to explain- will mess w it more and report back.
= C

Sent via soup cans and string.

From: james = fowler <twostroke@gmail.com>
Date: = Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:39:22 -0400
Subject: OT: eventide following = clock

anybody out = there having a hard time getting their eventide to follow incoming midi = clock?  to be more specific: the tempo button (and corresponding = bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get the = tempo-based modulations to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting = all over the place and thereby rendering it useless.  plogue bidule = is generating the clock, btw.

any and all help is = appreciated.  i've gotten no love from both plogue's and eventide's = forums.

- jim
=


= --Apple-Mail-1--246986258-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 10:15:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 945BD3BE8D; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #39505143 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+jKjQ0ACKjYveXqFgxLqONKG3UJe/24N/zvd4YYX 9cYLagvcrL06cy Message-ID: <4C99D73C.1000508@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:15:24 +0200 From: Nadia Salom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) References: <98CB9821CAFE4318AF0010627A8FF111@NORBY11> In-Reply-To: <98CB9821CAFE4318AF0010627A8FF111@NORBY11> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040003010905030609010303" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:15:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040003010905030609010303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm not german but since I've lived here for a while now I can agree with Rainer. People want to be sure the performer is finished before clapping. Sometimes I even feel clapping is completely inappropriate, and we only do it because it is the expected reaction. It would be interested break those expectations even more. @jayrose - that sounds like a nice place. performance art is my approach but in the end there is no need to make categories. categories only block creativity. I guess it is only a question of the expectations an audience has when coming to see the performance, and how much responsibility does the artist have in carrying those expectations or breaking them... Am 22.09.10 10:59, schrieb Toby G: > There is at least one piece where it is acceptable to clap after the > third movement, Tchaikovsky's 6th Symph. And Sibelius's 7th Symphony > is all in one movement so it is acceptable to clap after the "first" > movement there as well. > > t > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Straschill" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:48 AM > Subject: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) > > > Mark said: > "Is this normal, directed at the german LDer,s Rainer etc? > > I think manly it because germans really listen, and listen hard (I > think Stockhausen said this at a lecture I attended - is he German? I > think so.. that the rest of Europe has to learn to listen!!!) and as > such, maybe they are more absorbed, and it takes some time to snap out > of it?" > > So, here's my theory of it: > First of all, I just claim that people who listen to the odd stuff a > lot of us do (including Nadja and you ;) do often have a background in > classical (including contemporary classical) music. > > The accepted behaviour for classical concert audiences (mainly ever > since the Romantic era - see below) is not to interfere with the > performance as long as it lasts and save the applause for after the > piece (for works with multiple movements, until after the whole > performance has been finished). And as there are works which work with > extended pauses, the safe bet for the audience is to wait until the > performer clearly shows that he is done. > > [note: behaviour in classical music events hasn't always been like > that. Especially during the Wiener Klassik era (CPE Bach, Mozart, > Haydn), a lot of performances happened by the ensemble of a wealthy > peers to accompany their dinner or garden parties. This did only > change when performances were moved more into a public context, and it > also took composers as prolific and self-assured as Beethoven to keep > people from loudly talking or walking around during a performance. As > another note, Richard Wagner was the guy who, against great resistance > from the opera audiences at that time, would include the rules that > the lights in the audience were turned off during the actual > performance and talking was prohibited. > This mode of enjoying music performance has more or less remained > constant since then in the classical realm - except from occasional > fisticuffs and punchfests like at the premiere of Berg's "Zwölf kleine > Orchesterstücke", or Strawinsky knocking out Debussy at the premiere > of "Le Sacre du Printemps".] > > So simply, even if you're working with chainsaws or whatever, as long > as it's understood it's "neither rock nor jazz", audiences in Germany > will behave like this. You all be the judge if that is good or bad - > but at least, it allows us to use a huge dynamic range, include > drawn-out periods of silence etc. > > Yours, > > Rainer > > -- http://www.nirmala07.net --------------040003010905030609010303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not german but since I've lived here for a while now I can agree with Rainer. People want to be sure the performer is finished before clapping. Sometimes I even feel clapping is completely inappropriate, and we only do it because it is the expected reaction. It would be interested break those expectations even more. 

@jayrose - that sounds like a nice place. performance art is my approach but in the end there is no need to make categories. categories only block creativity. I guess it is only a question of the expectations an audience has when coming to see the performance, and how much responsibility does the artist have in carrying those expectations or breaking them...


Am 22.09.10 10:59, schrieb Toby G:
There is at least one piece where it is acceptable to clap after the third movement, Tchaikovsky's 6th Symph.  And Sibelius's 7th Symphony is all in one movement so it is acceptable to clap after the "first" movement there as well.

t
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Straschill" <moinsound@googlemail.com>
To: <loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:48 AM
Subject: German audiences (WAS site specific looping)


Mark said:
"Is this normal, directed at the german LDer,s Rainer etc?

I think manly it because germans really listen, and listen hard (I
think Stockhausen said this at a lecture I attended - is he German? I
think so.. that the rest of Europe has to learn to listen!!!) and as
such, maybe they are more absorbed, and it takes some time to snap out
of it?"

So, here's my theory of it:
First of all, I just claim that people who listen to the odd stuff a
lot of us do (including Nadja and you ;) do often have a background in
classical (including contemporary classical) music.

The accepted behaviour for classical concert audiences (mainly ever
since the Romantic era - see below) is not to interfere with the
performance as long as it lasts and save the applause for after the
piece (for works with multiple movements, until after the whole
performance has been finished). And as there are works which work with
extended pauses, the safe bet for the audience is to wait until the
performer clearly shows that he is done.

[note: behaviour in classical music events hasn't always been like
that. Especially during the Wiener Klassik era (CPE Bach, Mozart,
Haydn), a lot of performances happened by the ensemble of a wealthy
peers to accompany their dinner or garden parties. This did only
change when performances were moved more into a public context, and it
also took composers as prolific and self-assured as Beethoven to keep
people from loudly talking or walking around during a performance. As
another note, Richard Wagner was the guy who, against great resistance
from the opera audiences at that time, would include the rules that
the lights in the audience were turned off during the actual
performance and talking was prohibited.
This mode of enjoying music performance has more or less remained
constant since then in the classical realm - except from occasional
fisticuffs and punchfests like at the premiere of Berg's "Zwölf kleine
Orchesterstücke", or Strawinsky knocking out Debussy at the premiere
of "Le Sacre du Printemps".]

So simply, even if you're working with chainsaws or whatever, as long
as it's understood it's "neither rock nor jazz", audiences in Germany
will behave like this. You all be the judge if that is good or bad -
but at least, it allows us to use a huge dynamic range, include
drawn-out periods of silence etc.

Yours,

          Rainer




--

http://www.nirmala07.net

--------------040003010905030609010303-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 10:19:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 158A83BE87; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C99D826.2030905@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 03:19:18 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:19:26 +0000 (UTC) I think this is just a cultural difference, Mark (referring to German audiences not seeming to react until the very end of a performance). When I was performing my one Goth song as a lead singer for the Kobe Underground Festival in Japan a few years back.............they introduced me and then the entire band left the stage with me standing there with a microphone and my looping gear with absolutely NOTHING planned. I improvised a 15 minute segment of mostly faux industrial beat boxing and live looping slice and dice tricks and ended my little 'set' with a huge blast of fake noise that ended abruptly. There was an amazingly pregnant pause of complete silence (with hundreds of japanese goth/industrial fans in the audience staring at me). I thought they hated it and then suddenly after an unbearable pause, they gave me one of the biggest ovations I've ever had playing in any kind of musical situation. It fucking blew my mind......especially that they had listened so attentively that they didn't at all risk not hearing any minutiae by applauding too early. I had experienced a similar thing when Worlds Collide played in Osaka many years back. I ended a song with the band slamming to a halt as I hit a very loud and long ringing tibetan bell tuned to E.................it took forever to finish ringing and you could hear a pin drop before we got a really big applause. I think American and British audiences can be kind of brutish as long as we are getting controversial here. I am sometimes distressed by how little American audiences listen at big shows. I nearly got into a fight at a show here while back by asking two girls who were talking extremely loudly right next to me all the way through a show I had paid $60 to see. Who was I to be so audacious as to ask them to please talk somewhere else so I could actually hear the show I had travelled an hour and a half to see. Actually, I'm proud of the looping festivals because the audiences at them seem so attentive. I've heard several people remark about that quality of the audiences. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 10:36:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F7223BE8B; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=//wLPrggwSpbzijmayzLA6KfHA43xec6egB/VUvi1us=; b=qI4hfXtEDGAzOHOdZpiqYOMTWcdPsd18du529JzMy+1xEcCTNqJXJPcV9XjaNO7Xcw iGHWIaDHPzE/Bl07REFCvFUFHnGPaQ5pziHV2qPrTR0x/LKkFM3hOaUyJPF6Z7uz5ka2 PyvxUadDFk/hAHpq4y6vVUra6yNikabzhYFAQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dKgWL7wkDfd5M0NW5AJrp49L4phnY/lUp/2Ac6NpkB63cNrPct0tKXV+nDxkPu23r+ ux14Cg1cUEVO/XL0zCrcvblUgvvRYg9+7drYqEkLZHV+usyFxlFG+SGj8WgVvVdU2JJS Ugz/V0yQNzavtSaCdAKh2QBEoTgqOfpI4GHjQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C99BEFD.6060803@gmx.de> References: <20100921211228.DDE0D3BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> <4C99BEFD.6060803@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 05:36:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: site specific looping From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, you'll have to buy it if you want to read it. Back issues are pretty cheap though, and libraries may have them. Sylvain On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, Nadia Salom wrote: > > > > > > > yes, the thing is sometimes I really do not like calling myself a > musician. During performance I consider my voice to be an active > medium in the moment, relating directly=A0 to the space I am playing > in and the people in the audience. So I am finding the term > performance art much more appropriate. Although I find it very > frustrating to be using terms to defines ones work, in this case it > can be helpful in order to differenciate the intention behind the > work. Site specific is usually a term used in the art context. Mark > has described it well. My performances do not relate directly to the > architecture through symbolic use of imagery or language, expect my > most recent performance in the attic of the pastors house, but since > they are developed purely in the situation and space I would venture > to say that being site specific is definitely a direction the work > is going. > I dont really know if it is a german thing... I do believe there is > definite a bit of a schock value and that in a way I am playing with > that, especially when I suddenly ended the piece on the flat. So I > guess, people dont really know how to react, perhaps no one really > wants to break the quiet atmosphere. I found it good that they did > not immediately clap at the end of the performance. In the past I > have had issues dealing with the reactions of the audience, but now > I guess I've gotten more or less of a tough skin... > > @jayrope thx for the link, the recordings had a very nice texture, > do you have pics? > @Sylvain i couldnt read the article, do I have to purchase the > magazine in order to read it????? > @christo sure would love to ! > > Am 22.09.10 09:16, schrieb mark francombe: > I don=B4t think Nadia was claiming that site-specific > was HER term. To put my understanding of the word as it is used in > Art generally, is that the site where the piece is performed has > something to say about the piece itself, it maybe special > acoustics, or a history/story attached to the place. It may have > some architecture that allows the performer to move in a > particular way in relationship to the audience, or it may refer to > "playing of the place" itself. Via hits and percussion... > > I think maybe of us, as improvisors will find themselves reacting > to the venue, however, doing a new concert each time in a new > location is called "a gig". > > ,-) > > Lovely stuff Nadia... > > (my first ever girlfriend when I was 8 or 9 was called Nadia.. > ahhh where is she now?) > > > Mark > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:50 AM, jayrope > LD > wrote: > > hey nadia, "site specific looping" is your term for playing > a completely new concert each time on a new location i'd > guess? > yes, we do that, too. > http://aircushionfinish.bandcamp.com > *jrp > - - - > jayrope > http://www.kliklak.net > > > > On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loo= pers-delight.com > wrote: > > > dear loopers, > > lately i have been performing more and more in > interesting locations and I find this is getting to be a > real essential part of my work. just wanted to know if > others are also working with site specific performance > work. > > here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are > all utilizing looping technique): > http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&v= iew=3Dcategory&layout=3Dblog&id=3D34&Itemid=3D64 > > direct links to video: Music Performance 17th of Septembe= r 2010 Roringen G=F6ttingen=A0 > > another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site > specific): Performance Documentation - MMX Berlin - Augus= t 27th 2010=A0 > > would love to hear comments about working in this way... > for example i love old staircases or torn down > buildings... > > ciao > Nadia > > -- > http://www.nirmala07.net > > > > > > > > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > > > > -- > http://www.nirmala07.net > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 10:37:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEA4A3BE8A; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0/itDpXZq0nxn4fEmqsjG0yWLvzWtm13eDg6VH/H4Bw=; b=GJVXEUS8Wb4DMeVY1K0fVPhlpkMHYHCVzLTT5fNe7pKfPa9kyo31wNUSl7ykHSiWl5 ouKdUJhKicdqNUtD/+GVbWbjOjN9vV6Sej2y+urAfSUOOcd1huAzpd2LmuHgh6Rlnx5b VJ2lNFdnd6+ZpWCUx4LwUZ9WCyhQbmE34XpLc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CHIwqDzKN9u1XSQo+KuqMFVEcpMB6V43XbGta54Ny6bSjHI8R/s7VgTlAaa+No7Hln 5dhtwQHSpC7I2a7N71YPftSF3SomUZfawmbkuHNprx2dHXbtxXV12K0QBTkEnP9UhPpJ JnOoYh+lfHNYVz1gXHbYPtlKevOJZn966AYE8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C99D826.2030905@cruzio.com> References: <4C99D826.2030905@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:37:53 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:37:53 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Actually, =C2=A0I'm proud of the looping festivals because the audiences = at them > seem so > attentive. =C2=A0I've heard several people remark about that quality of t= he > audiences. IMHO the ultra wide range of variations seem to be the most amazing aspect of USA. I feel good hearing Obama in the news talking widely about "tolerance as the foundation for the constitution", knowing that such tolerance is just another aspect of the freedom for any group of nerds to totally zoom in on whatever their little groups happens to fancy (like in this case, live looping). Here in Sweden I have experienced a similar group vibe of intensified listening in silence at traditional electronic music playbacks - not "concerts", I call it "playbacks" because the trend is that a composer plays back his produced music recording over an eight speaker surround system while the audience is placed in the center surrounded by the speakers. I enjoy attending such "listening gatherings", especially with old electronic music from the era before the majority of composers started using DJ inspired drum beats. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 10:54:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A1633BE87; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C99E073.1060601@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 03:54:43 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT Le Sacre Du Printemp's violent debut Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Rainer said that Stravinsky punched Debussy during the debut of 'Le Sacre Du Printemp' in Paris. I had always understood that both Ravel and Debussy were enthralled with the piece and have never heard that Stravinsky punched Debussy. I just found this description of those events on Classical.Net in an article called "Stravinsky's Le Sacre at 90: / "Le Sacre's première took place at the Théâtre des Champs-Elysées on May 29, 1913. It is arguably the most famous debacle in western artistic history. Audience members found the quiet, yet active, introduction ridiculous. When the curtain rose and Nijinsky's dances began, the auditorium went into a rage, their sophistication insulted. *Ravel and Debussy were both present and captivated by the music, but it was soon drowned out in the fracas. Debris was thrown, as well as punches. *The work was performed in full, but only with the help of Nijinsky calling steps from atop an offstage chair. / /Stravinsky had a breakdown after the première and spent weeks at a sanatorium in Neuilly to recover from typhoid fever........" / I'm just wondering where you read about Stravinsky punching Debussy, Rainer. Curious, not contentious in that query, my friend. You have a vast knowledge of classical music that I respect. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 11:01:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 606DF3BE8B; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: Subject: RE: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:01:27 +0200 Message-ID: <85B3EE479FA24C70A74F7A9869FE1E86@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009B_01CB5A56.44B21580" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: ActaMxB5cNOPjCclT9q8Z0k6PVObkQAEgfhw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.4.60; VDF: 7.10.11.251) Resent-Message-ID: <8ykfLC.A.e7G.KIemMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:01:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CB5A56.44B21580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit German audiences are like that. Germans are strange (I say this as a German :) I remember Colin Newman (of Wire) wondering why their audience was so quiet, compared to the UK audiences which go wild more easily. "Is it something that we said?" :) -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CB5A56.44B21580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
German audiences are like that. Germans are strange (I say = this as a=20 German :)  
 
I=20 remember Colin Newman (of Wire) wondering why their audience was so = quiet,=20 compared to the UK audiences which go wild more easily. "Is it something = that we=20 said?" :)
 
-Michael
 
------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CB5A56.44B21580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 11:11:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A27C3BE8E; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Q66FKCYLVnmXp2HSMSnn0ZKjoEabZ4vxHmt7jCtkV0s=; b=VmjlO1RPriSS6iM2pTPkwqUn31BHm6cSlC1H7wmV9lCh1vy07POD1iKAHkVa/t+GWb FB0XOXf9vCrY/KbG4UrwRYK8nMUDQRWK1Dpzpepwk0Wfp9BxJfZ9ufeJWhCztt+N2AKd mIPyxEuSzsmDa/ILGxS6oT9M+kapGULGoMr0k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=paznwT16fczTP4sYpXLlH5WVrTJorA3wQlT3t0HABnBjjdr0IaU3VCAN/cCADH0fIq 2rwVzGxdv77NYMSRsCO0ILToLx2pbqfKCdNXnw3jXq960FNmkCmlzaORpTmnHJ8FiHwR NZfmuNOIIB601VTn/dkvZV0knAV9RUvy7kU2E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:11:23 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BVN62bBgFF9moMk8zy9cEBLFdaQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65096e6efda610490d73567 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:11:44 +0000 (UTC) --0016e65096e6efda610490d73567 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > But hey - what about Norwegian audiences! Mark...? Germans and > Norwegians seem both very interesting people to me. Special in many > ways. It's an interesting topic how all this comes through in how an > audience is experienced from the performers sides. > heh heh put on the spot will ya? Actually I have always found Norwegian audiences to be great, maybe a little of the reserved thing too though, swedish, simerlar... UK better, US even better... Italian crazy (but got the impression they were not really paying attention and waiting for the disco) but the absolute BEST audiences I have ever played to were... *drum roll* Belgian! Specifically Gent so there ya go.. mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016e65096e6efda610490d73567 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
But hey - what about Norwegian audiences! Mark...? Germans= and
Norwegians seem both very interesting people to me. Special in many
ways. It's an interesting topic how all this comes through in how an audience is experienced from the performers sides.
=
heh heh put on the spot will ya?

Actually I have always found No= rwegian audiences to be great, maybe a little of the reserved thing too tho= ugh, swedish, simerlar...
UK better,
US even better...
Italian crazy (but got the impression = they were not really paying attention and waiting for the disco)
but the= absolute BEST audiences I have ever played to were...

*drum roll*
Belgian!

Specifically Gent

so there ya go..

mark


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--0016e65096e6efda610490d73567-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 11:29:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C18523BE8B; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vsaFslXbDXDin+ubYu2Ump/ZBe3wv204bX6dOXxGTzQ=; b=Ud6IKVg695r0Tt2qDskDvHDaxFmGax/t+reWQcW6uigx0MyGIszS6XZgstIkxE5nFh /hTwCmYWLCavyeZaGrDnA9AolAvYCloGWBEYsa4D0LT8ByJjK7pUYTr8SH+/X2xHjpLS YbJWY3zLjNbQScnWpKbo/v+tVR+jBnTIklnMA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uhe+ZWH0wUOSWgX+c7RvKeWrZieanP+LBCTVSNHdqKRqh+bsrxG7QNxhNUSozwxVPC f8O0w3x1aO796RIXZ17lz0S9Gb4zsa3P3j4ZlcdjpM0+wOSbBWSUMbLA01CWoEFX23l8 l/g7WDTWOlg/RgzyQsXbuAwS6IKQXxon5PqOA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:29:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:29:38 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:11 PM, mark francombe wrote: > but the absolute BEST audiences I have ever played to were... > > *drum roll* > > Belgian! Wow - had know idea... have never played there. But I will step on my Gordius Little Giant 2 with respect now when I know ;-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 11:34:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84E4C3BE87; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=rzjurZBu1Hm4o4/PjTtfBqn7bcic5vxZ4P7BPjjlS4Y=; b=JeHmwxy5UtHryY7WmhepXv5XxgNKxesggKC72meDN4M+rx4F79CMpKNdikeAAQyDCy vtSZBkNSI4+nk1rakifz5SFGwu3fb52whhbF6emKa387tdw2qJe1cLexNcU7/WW+RGi6 QNdxQ8pv8QdsJ3cgMM5PdVlRoHVDkLRfbrqrM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=r1Hdl+1iAin9jMsbMmrRm7yPJDFbAFG7Yl15rCYcxY9EczpayBPhSLHWbcphvTLvTJ xgfffk2W8d8lZ/PDxZpl8ijy6MNgOGUsIM6lsjo7jynhJPuPMCEm2ieq5X7tJXm6ovue b5zUXm6C8QBBftNVX62yV67Smpsan23aJ122M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <85B3EE479FA24C70A74F7A9869FE1E86@mpeserver> References: <85B3EE479FA24C70A74F7A9869FE1E86@mpeserver> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:34:16 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9JNvQtmL9H9C2ol1yHwZjE2GAC4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ed346b820e60490d78784 Resent-Message-ID: <074k4B.A.DiH.NnemMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:34:37 +0000 (UTC) --0016364ed346b820e60490d78784 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ha ha that sounds like Colin!!! Seriously, of course some (most?) of us are interested in contemporary music, and if I went to a classical concert, I would expect to 1) sit down 2) listen intently 3) only have a beer during intermission 4) clap at the end During a rock n roll show, 1) I wanna shake my funky thang (only kidding - anyone who has ever seen me shake the said item, will know that its not a pretty sight) but.. basically... I play rock n roll... call it another name if you want dubnoise is my current fave... but no.. I play rock n roll! mark On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > German audiences are like that. Germans are strange (I say this as a > German :) > > I remember Colin Newman (of Wire) wondering why their audience was so > quiet, compared to the UK audiences which go wild more easily. "Is it > something that we said?" :) > > -Michael > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016364ed346b820e60490d78784 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ha ha that sounds like Colin!!!

Seriously, of course some (most?) of= us are interested in contemporary music, and if I went to a classical conc= ert, I would expect to
1) sit down
2) listen intently
3) only hav= e a beer during intermission
4) clap at the end

During a rock n roll show,=A0
1) I wanna shak= e my funky thang

(only kidding - anyone who has ever seen me shake t= he said item, will know that its not a pretty sight)

but.. basically= ... I play rock n roll... call it another name if you want dubnoise is my c= urrent fave... but no.. I play rock n roll!

mark


On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:01= PM, Michael Peters <= mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
Germa= n audiences are like that. Germans are strange (I say this as a=20 German :)=A0=A0
=A0
I=20 remember Colin Newman (of Wire) wondering why their audience=A0was so quiet= ,=20 compared to the UK audiences which go wild more easily. "Is it somethi= ng that we=20 said?" :)
=A0
-Mich= ael
=A0



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--0016364ed346b820e60490d78784-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 11:36:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 301223BE93; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=g8L0e3xfyDMIXQ1ye6nvaMnP6fyDvZf0z8WopL4W2Yg=; b=ns2SrbL/Bz1C1biU+Qq9bMH99xJHR0ZfyM1/ia2tUOQDyNF4BrhZpWPVWaG9IKwaPm Pz0AbUHvOHny1L74zT/2JiwI3laVcbjcQ15wxeY7lRmjXssIGneXG8N9oLbqs92lsqBI e6zRFlEb+r9fmWIbkvyX9xPFspU4EUsrum44o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=IKmpRgy7D5KKshYPoTGfbRsbcoZ4r4pVqDLEm8BMYRpvvMZaEfMvS7tdAEDvJ1Ni/+ BZfm4LeMm7dxjA1Js7hLfxS8jMB2rLochCmeLgXQ8UhoEenF/e9ZwGgkhiBZVCNs9cYC RIIF21JZZbOk6SMffzse2jqB1cxcs+Ymrd9sA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:36:01 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zrQLr8JAd8DQBEnZ6ZR5Jc-jgOI Message-ID: Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cba8a0e5e3c0490d78ec7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:36:23 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cba8a0e5e3c0490d78ec7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just wait till you step on your Gordius IN Belgium... then you will understand! :-) m On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:11 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > but the absolute BEST audiences I have ever played to were... > > > > *drum roll* > > > > Belgian! > > > Wow - had know idea... have never played there. > But I will step on my Gordius Little Giant 2 with respect now when I know > ;-) > > Per > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0015175cba8a0e5e3c0490d78ec7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wait till you step on your Gordius IN Belgium... then you will underst= and!

:-)

m

On Wed, Sep 22, = 2010 at 1:29 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:11 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> but the absolute BEST audiences I have ever played to were...
>
> *drum roll*
>
> Belgian!


Wow - had know idea... have never played there.
But I will step on my Gordius Little Giant 2 with respect now when I know ;= -)

Per




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--0015175cba8a0e5e3c0490d78ec7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 11:41:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 024CF3BEAF; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=W0sYw3wg6HqCXC/YSobGYmmrsJiCjKVxZeDYdmlRNe0=; b=HyMDhXh0TqGic+8Ot9J86aIxqgiB+1eISfnN3uZ6/r7KVrxzk3X7lS90FRf3HmBUml rGXbVXDmwF8ohgT94kEURpzN/RQhxiW/BS6DGLLz0UmK/RlHlPrhv3RTIjSK9YZz9nFz JFRm+DPwdI3A+6gBi4b/yPA+ijLAkYEtxfm+Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=H1il5HQjovsCor9K80LOa2P3e774ZKuT4zy1S7zD1CDdiaJdGZV6LVVrWfzlg+jyaB aT2+qzNOeVE/XzfgTKUJ1me7zK1pY0slSm0vvU5dAFxa69Je4DvbLiS3I4kivvA/8TMB 2Ws1x4akOOJ1AOFHKxAsOKl3SMDIDSbYLAdkw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:41:05 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tw2vrFSO_r2L39DhsyDq4ppKvjQ Message-ID: Subject: Is this a good deal? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cba8a1994640490d7a0b9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:41:25 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cba8a1994640490d7a0b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can anyone say if this is a good deal? http://gitarhuset.no/ProductPage.aspx?PID=3514 3195 kroners is about 537 dollars mark -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0015175cba8a1994640490d7a0b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can anyone say if this is a good deal?

http://gitarhuset.no/ProductPage.aspx?PID=3514

3195 kroners is about 537 dollars

mark


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--0015175cba8a1994640490d7a0b9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 12:09:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 892843BEA2; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 491772748/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.18.166/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.18.166 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4BAH+OmUxYbRKm/2dsb2JhbAAHlDLRFIVBBI0sgm0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,406,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="491772748" Message-ID: <4C99F205.5020708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:09:41 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is this a good deal? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:09:41 +0000 (UTC) nope, under 300 quid in uk http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/14859-gretsch-g5700-lap-steel-tobacco-sunburst.html/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=base whether *thats* a good deal I've no idea. ...but it looks great. andy been watching Bill's vids? mark francombe wrote: > Can anyone say if this is a good deal? > > http://gitarhuset.no/ProductPage.aspx?PID=3514 > > 3195 kroners is about 537 dollars > > mark > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 12:11:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EDEF3BEA0; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:11:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=cNpSXmEYl7guHa1Ae7WOFdffTSc/W11InPzdyslyQBg=; b=tUC3bGzgfNixpPfl9kQkrzt/+PXnSRio4DqFhscfG5RwEWY9Mq5RUXTRw4ojfq1rmp TyLnn5Kd0oVxpjzMl90IhfyIIvYlrsQIKibQwugyw9IqEH9xvbB4jUDacSXopvU9PSkp 8g1Ri2dFej3CTZo6Bn02vnrjvHzHAKNIQbGtM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=t+C57+eBxaLJICqdxIs8dlGQLOora4EG+hGPg075DakRhwHlTyaPEO5I7l5LIDaAxT MW4vmAhV/LyP1igTMzxxdbd/k65WYmR8Kuc7hs8pmiiZ2GxWZaRGlfTuxmcRSXpI2G4+ xF7EEjtAFBU932/SvyIxgfHU1PDnoF8KrFGuI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C99F205.5020708@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4C99F205.5020708@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:11:01 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -ZqNABA8XUDwiU44l2RMp_o-wG8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is this a good deal? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb5423aadb60490d80bb4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:11:23 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cb5423aadb60490d80bb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:09 PM, andy butler wrote= : > been watching Bill's vids? er... might=B4ve... so what if I have? :-) --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0015175cb5423aadb60490d80bb4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:09 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wr= ote:
been watching Bill's vids?

er... might=B4ve... so= what if I have?

:-)

--
mark francombe
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www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
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http://www.looop.= no
--0015175cb5423aadb60490d80bb4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 12:27:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 618163BE87; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1285158450; l=6359; s=domk; d=christojota.de; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:To: From:X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH; bh=KZgkML+SC8+zLTWUlqcbVirbsoY=; b=msecLxGwPbNvjSvLF8d93X7lEI0jbrdz71jpCBqwU3QG9H7tpC5e3HJPHfJEXSKnH2I 9hpNt2z7gtTqI40UbHWVknA+UQ9e8sTRK/P8kZaPGf/RR3JYDYjkU27PW02E/biBdJNHb YmVlbCWmmpRJxkPRKQTkfy3FnihcSJXS9ks= X-RZG-AUTH: :L2QWfFOIePcNBmV0yywuLUHS8OM2DDVxTuoYQATZ0ef73CyxOAEvvWjBOblRsw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Message-ID: From: "Christo Jota" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:26:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01CB5A62.1B63EEE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CB5A62.1B63EEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable US- and British musicians often like to play in Germany. They told me, = in the US f.ex. people are drinking and talking while they perform. This is different here. In most clubs, except maybe = pubs, the people listen to the music respectfully. Then they react depending on the "value" of the = performance. Christo From: mark francombe=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) One slightly controversial comment I have after watching these clips of = Nadia again, that brings back the fear into me.. is... (donning fire = retardant spider-man costume) What is with these German audiances? Nadia = has almost packed up and gone home and put her feet up in front of the = fire with a good book, before they start to react? Are they crazy, or = maybe stunned?=20 (Actually THIS is the controversial comment) When I used to play in = germany, We often got this reaction, absolute silence during songs, = minimal applause inbetween.. till the end, then.. after we had left the = stage and thinking "God, they hated us", they would go CRAZY demanding 3 = or 4 encores.. What is that...? It would put me in a bad mood during the show and had NO idea that they = were enjoying it? Is this normal, directed at the german LDer,s Rainer etc?=20 I think manly it because germans really listen, and listen hard (I think = Stockhausen said this at a lecture I attended - is he German? I think = so.. that the rest of Europe has to learn to listen!!!) and as such, = maybe they are more absorbed, and it takes some time to snap out of it? If thats it, then its a compliment I guess.. still very off-putting. = (and before anyone jumps at me for being generalistic, or god forbid, = rascist.. Im just reporting what I promise was the case for me... never = saw it anywhere else - except perhaps one strange gig in Scotland, on = April fools day, when the audience played a trick on us by NEVER = applauding once.. ha ha! very fucking funny... Mark --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CB5A62.1B63EEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
US- and British musicians often like to play = in Germany.=20 They told me, in the US f.ex. people are drinking and = talking
while they perform. This is different here. In = most=20 clubs, except maybe pubs, the people listen to
the music respectfully. Then they react = depending on the=20 "value" of the performance.
Christo
 
From: mark francombe
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:34 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Subject: German audiences (WAS site specific=20 looping)

One slightly controversial comment I have after watching = these=20 clips of Nadia again, that brings back the fear into me.. is... (donning = fire=20 retardant spider-man costume) What is with these German audiances? Nadia = has=20 almost packed up and gone home and put her feet up in front of the fire = with a=20 good book, before they start to react? Are they crazy, or maybe stunned? =

(Actually THIS is the controversial comment) When I used to play = in=20 germany, We often got this reaction, absolute silence during songs, = minimal=20 applause inbetween.. till the end, then.. after we had left the stage = and=20 thinking "God, they hated us", they would go CRAZY demanding 3 or 4 = encores..=20 What is that...?
It would put me in a bad mood during the show and = had NO=20 idea that they were enjoying it?

Is this normal, directed at the = german=20 LDer,s Rainer etc?

I think manly it because germans really = listen, and=20 listen hard (I think Stockhausen said this at a lecture I attended - is = he=20 German? I think so.. that the rest of Europe has to learn to listen!!!) = and as=20 such, maybe they are more absorbed, and it takes some time to snap out = of=20 it?

If thats it, then its a compliment I guess.. still very = off-putting.=20 (and before anyone jumps at me for being generalistic, or god forbid, = rascist..=20 Im just reporting what I promise was the case for me... never saw it = anywhere=20 else - except perhaps one strange gig in Scotland, on April fools day, = when the=20 audience played a trick on us by NEVER applauding once.. ha ha! very = fucking=20 funny...

Mark

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mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter=20 @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
<= A=20 href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no
------=_NextPart_000_004E_01CB5A62.1B63EEE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 12:32:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 368DD3BE90; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZmJmS4RJZur4OxXBVrUB3emjeS3OhSbpOBEUF6Cjavk=; b=ZadRnWI0/cZJCJ00/2uGbPWdUTMvoF0zHzz2/uChFBqt/iEbFVmfAIOSvFt4iQGpmg CbOrQNoGPZsnv4TZBw0nwFJjwe0/h9Lq/4oPYkkj9I69gAs94TcEtyi9VMwZP4fI8dhh XfEyuTRXsSkf9aIVFrqn4zZvgQsqYUiYx0zJg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qKEJTwTUPvFswCLt/Rsn4SAOMSv/qDPXB7B9e2LpAJTu+hAjo9XNa3e8rz3YFWTg/h WO2CHb02qAr+Jbs1je6U7D7bghb6T3y7+Q0Cu1LoPq81Q2iIMmaxmsy311tn4znZwk05 7He+4nZnxJZruP1EBmoc+WIKUJPuExhVE3xow= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:32:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is this a good deal? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0XnzR.A.QBB.GdfmMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:32:07 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:41 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Can anyone say if this is a good deal? > > http://gitarhuset.no/ProductPage.aspx?PID=3514 > > 3195 kroners is about 537 dollars According to the guy in this video it's not a good deal but not a (very) bad one either. http://www.gearwire.com/gretsch-lapsteel.html But generally any NOK price would be pricey if compared to a USD price tag. Here in Sweden we fear Norway for the high prices ;-) Why don't you check US prices online and shop for one while in the bay area? Bring an empty case to take it a back home with you as your personal tool (guessing Norway has the same high consumer gadget import taxes as Sweden? ) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 12:47:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0869A3BEA2; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=LKU+AQP2jMxvKkpOvIGpU9XCx7Edo1ewrGiBKPH/2mU=; b=HVexs63QlOGwI5UVejU+H1GLNwVY/TvTsukc00/BMO5J80QkBvPpNl+Z8Gu+lGAoBP xBIyMe/UY3RFU+OOFnmhkeOAzyZRucvXdIx84NCiwf89dPn7CmoIDW5FoKeAabo2etWI Y7I5XQ7S0YEeEBaoSDRS3YXh8jaspmJjU3JFE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=kL91+WBRZCc6MEp2c3VHd4oos1l0X8Cs3+R4/Ts7gzN7qtRHS98kJF0ehlC5oc34/v 06ayCz+U+6TOCpOxtjg2dN8w5Bvq7A+R9zgaGc5QoIO6HAvVP9KXerDYpxDiVXXziNyJ ST+yH0XgFHGSirrAFp1sVTagJvqfZxX9PCZl4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:46:50 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: MC5B1azZEDCajoVqR4P_5x3YI6I Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is this a good deal? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b8fba59ad0d0490d88bd9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:47:12 +0000 (UTC) --0016363b8fba59ad0d0490d88bd9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 heh heh.. if that was a solution, I better just bring no gear and ALOT of empty cases... Nope Im not particularly in the market for a lap steel,, but Id like one, and this seemed pretty cheap!!! Remember that Im used to Norwegian prices, (apart for meat, which most Norwegians buy in Sweden... shhhh!!!) For-ex ...last weekend, I paid for an Indian meal, 7 of us in my familly. the bill came to 1,750 krner... thats 294 dollars.. 2 meals for one Gretch lap steel.. seems ok to me.. but have decided against.. for now... mark On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:41 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Can anyone say if this is a good deal? > > > > http://gitarhuset.no/ProductPage.aspx?PID=3514 > > > > 3195 kroners is about 537 dollars > > > According to the guy in this video it's not a good deal but not a > (very) bad one either. > > http://www.gearwire.com/gretsch-lapsteel.html > > But generally any NOK price would be pricey if compared to a USD price > tag. Here in Sweden we fear Norway for the high prices ;-) Why don't > you check US prices online and shop for one while in the bay area? > Bring an empty case to take it a back home with you as your personal > tool (guessing Norway has the same high consumer gadget import taxes > as Sweden? ) > > Per > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016363b8fba59ad0d0490d88bd9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable heh heh..

if that was a solution, I better just bring no gear and A= LOT of empty cases...
Nope Im not particularly in the market for a lap = steel,, but Id like one, and this seemed pretty cheap!!!

Remember th= at Im used to Norwegian prices, (apart for meat, which most Norwegians buy = in Sweden... shhhh!!!)
For-ex ...last weekend, I paid for an Indian meal, 7 of us in my familly. t= he bill came to 1,750 krner... thats 294 dollars..

2 meals for one G= retch lap steel.. seems ok to me.. but have decided against.. for now...
mark




On Wed, Sep 22, 2010= at 2:32 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:41 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:<= br> > Can anyone say if this is a good deal?
>
> http://gitarhuset.no/ProductPage.aspx?PID=3D3514
>
> 3195 kroners is about 537 dollars


According to the guy in this video it's not a good deal but not a=
(very) bad one either.

http://www.gearwire.com/gretsch-lapsteel.html

But generally any NOK price would be pricey if compared to a USD price
tag. Here in Sweden we fear Norway for the high prices ;-) =A0Why don't=
you check US prices online and shop for one while in the bay area?
Bring an empty case to take it a back home with you as your personal
tool (guessing Norway has the same high consumer gadget import taxes
as Sweden? )

Per




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mark francombewww.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markf= rancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--0016363b8fba59ad0d0490d88bd9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 13:00:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8199F3BE99; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rilqLP5irDC18T0XLcAxsi2hYRnr3simv4tNIKWb0ZM=; b=O6eJlIZNtOWUt2DEI6Be2TOCdFMOmzjXJWj5drDUR/4fkxqZN8Edhl+rlHdtvocR1d CjqIzwZQEgYp2/V16Er35E82eg2dUis/kzLSxgdJCMyCPfeQxMP7+ZifeKp9ZFY8Ewn/ WHpeenfAqc71ourxJFSeXUyV97QPhKVsuOPWY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=d+uDcjxeVqHNhuXlU3tZC8sS0cU/5t74Z6gsgh0EnIKIyQcKairvrdJ5nNkCA3ZCds Db1gng556UguyXQvLYJoyPuloHugo7i69vjUFo74pLoBT0jTKbGon/g8Huko7Ewh8k6U 14hflek3yx6731oT6LULoNGghbmhpHRSJhMLM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:00:36 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is this a good deal? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:00:37 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Remember that Im used to Norwegian prices, (apart for meat, which most > Norwegians buy in Sweden... shhhh!!!) He, he... hopefully those meat snugging former fish monglers of the salty west will save us Swedes now as last week's election gave us a former nazi friendly party as the tongue-on-weight decision maker to rule our politic affairs ;-) > For-ex ...last weekend, I paid for an Indian meal, 7 of us in my familly. > the bill came to 1,750 krner... thats 294 dollars.. > > 2 meals for one Gretch lap steel.. seems ok to me.. but have decided > against.. for now... LOL! Well, you have a Norwegian wage too! ;-)) If having your basic income in Sweden you need to hold your breath and grab your wallet when passing the border. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 13:30:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 218D23BE8D; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XSaopz2jY5YEeXnBhOjoMKTD7DqvTWhmLTlVQpmGaUM=; b=JAJzuAfh6Lq4GlmCtVIdkNivHocWIP3YaOdY3AdFvPoRAH8BtiC7wKBWVUJQlrZPg5 Lv5pmcmlgXA7RYXUDy323xHFQNmJbj4nnqx0F3gtk9WGrHoxXAR31t+6pg06r7rd/+tc PXKM6LC8oYvaLMFloX3bsIvKrNy+v4unDAyIc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=iCQanCtI70kqcfsKNr8W6+7Dt2PyXrWWmGMbwmzACMXLIXKUYfwJKQdk5mF7pLQCrq zUPwNZKaKkp8dpRFb1u/uc4a/RlZgUpshNNG2xnHzYOG0FUDMeymYNlTRJwjwg+yTxM6 S0rXCz2gSshgSPXOCX+raXAIWu2PbJUvZQ/j8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:30:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646c60095179f0490d925e4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:30:21 +0000 (UTC) --00163646c60095179f0490d925e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rainer I thought your writing was quite interesting and something I've thought for sometime, that being the European audiences (perhaps more than some) have more patience and are just more aware in listening tastes than those here in the States. I think the American audiences have been so conditioned by the commerical recording media from the early days that that is the perception and what they 'know' particularly when it comes to 'what we do' and I widen that to say the entire breadth of instrumental music. One of my most memorable back hand compliments was a few years ago when I played some performances in the Chicago area. Mid way in one a woman piped and asked, 'when are we going to hear you sing' which underscores a bit of what I said about 'conditioning' by clearly the radio media here in the early days and def'ly in the less educated areas such as where I'm from in the rural south. Good read and I hope I get to perform abroad at some point. If all goes well my family and I are visiting Sweden in March so possibly I'll find opportunity there. Jim On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Mark said: > "Is this normal, directed at the german LDer,s Rainer etc? > > I think manly it because germans really listen, and listen hard (I > think Stockhausen said this at a lecture I attended - is he German? I > think so.. that the rest of Europe has to learn to listen!!!) and as > such, maybe they are more absorbed, and it takes some time to snap out > of it?" > > So, here's my theory of it: > First of all, I just claim that people who listen to the odd stuff a > lot of us do (including Nadja and you ;) do often have a background in > classical (including contemporary classical) music. > > The accepted behaviour for classical concert audiences (mainly ever > since the Romantic era - see below) is not to interfere with the > performance as long as it lasts and save the applause for after the > piece (for works with multiple movements, until after the whole > performance has been finished). And as there are works which work with > extended pauses, the safe bet for the audience is to wait until the > performer clearly shows that he is done. > > [note: behaviour in classical music events hasn't always been like > that. Especially during the Wiener Klassik era (CPE Bach, Mozart, > Haydn), a lot of performances happened by the ensemble of a wealthy > peers to accompany their dinner or garden parties. This did only > change when performances were moved more into a public context, and it > also took composers as prolific and self-assured as Beethoven to keep > people from loudly talking or walking around during a performance. As > another note, Richard Wagner was the guy who, against great resistance > from the opera audiences at that time, would include the rules that > the lights in the audience were turned off during the actual > performance and talking was prohibited. > This mode of enjoying music performance has more or less remained > constant since then in the classical realm - except from occasional > fisticuffs and punchfests like at the premiere of Berg's "Zw=F6lf kleine > Orchesterst=FCcke", or Strawinsky knocking out Debussy at the premiere > of "Le Sacre du Printemps".] > > So simply, even if you're working with chainsaws or whatever, as long > as it's understood it's "neither rock nor jazz", audiences in Germany > will behave like this. You all be the judge if that is good or bad - > but at least, it allows us to use a huge dynamic range, include > drawn-out periods of silence etc. > > Yours, > > Rainer > > --=20 >From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com --00163646c60095179f0490d925e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rainer I thought your writing was quite interesting and something I've = thought for sometime, that being the European audiences (perhaps more than = some) have more patience and are just more aware in listening tastes than t= hose here in the States.=A0 I think the American audiences have been so con= ditioned by the commerical recording media from the early days that that is= the perception and what they 'know' particularly when it comes to = 'what we do' and I widen that to say the entire breadth of instrume= ntal music.=A0 One of my most memorable back hand compliments was a few yea= rs ago when I played some performances in the Chicago area.=A0 Mid way in o= ne a woman piped and asked, 'when are we going to hear you sing' wh= ich underscores a bit of what I said about 'conditioning' by clearl= y the radio media here in the early days and def'ly in the less educate= d areas such as where I'm from in the rural south.

Good read and I hope I get to perform abroad at some point.=A0 If all g= oes well my family and I are visiting Sweden in March so possibly I'll = find opportunity there.

Jim

On Wed= , Sep 22, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
Mark said:
"Is this normal, directed at the german LDer,s Rainer etc?

I think manly it because germans really listen, and listen hard (I
think Stockhausen said this at a lecture I attended - is he German? I
think so.. that the rest of Europe has to learn to listen!!!) and as
such, maybe they are more absorbed, and it takes some time to snap out
of it?"

So, here's my theory of it:
First of all, I just claim that people who listen to the odd stuff a
lot of us do (including Nadja and you ;) do often have a background in
classical (including contemporary classical) music.

The accepted behaviour for classical concert audiences (mainly ever
since the Romantic era - see below) is not to interfere with the
performance as long as it lasts and save the applause for after the
piece (for works with multiple movements, until after the whole
performance has been finished). And as there are works which work with
extended pauses, the safe bet for the audience is to wait until the
performer clearly shows that he is done.

[note: behaviour in classical music events hasn't always been like
that. Especially during the Wiener Klassik era (CPE Bach, Mozart,
Haydn), a lot of performances happened by the ensemble of a wealthy
peers to accompany their dinner or garden parties. This did only
change when performances were moved more into a public context, and it
also took composers as prolific and self-assured as Beethoven to keep
people from loudly talking or walking around during a performance. As
another note, Richard Wagner was the guy who, against great resistance
from the opera audiences at that time, would include the rules that
the lights in the audience were turned off during the actual
performance and talking was prohibited.
This mode of enjoying music performance has more or less remained
constant since then in the classical realm - except from occasional
fisticuffs and punchfests like at the premiere of Berg's "Zw=F6lf = kleine
Orchesterst=FCcke", or Strawinsky knocking out Debussy at the premiere=
of "Le Sacre du Printemps".]

So simply, even if you're working with chainsaws or whatever, as long as it's understood it's "neither rock nor jazz", audience= s in Germany
will behave like this. You all be the judge if that is good or bad -
but at least, it allows us to use a huge dynamic range, include
drawn-out periods of silence etc.

Yours,

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer




--
From Brooklyn To= Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6r= n.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.= =A0 jimgoodinpeterthorn= .bandcamp.com.

www.jimgoodinmusic.comwww.chinapaintingmusic.com
woodandwiremusic.wo= rdpress.com
--00163646c60095179f0490d925e4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 13:52:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 245143BE89; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZS+PDHq8x+c/41ATwQVmw8Csyw/yPkmjJYSkyND589k=; b=vFh+bwkD/yXiHytpU0ktSJIV4gYpkPqHKboaAhXNm+Hb5YObLjW5PTQMBi3SNp9eTk Hm+g75Gy5o4RCwCA7q3mbDUUAw0+AxnMUW84ZMiSb09zu11j2XVYhKtmW15bTRUuS+6P TznjLQbvExRnznSr/6b9r22xl09yrAks1oTnM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gic3JVqJaoyYHXRMSuceiU1Xww4eDPj67++jpOp7Z9b+dR3KMXLqC6U5UbvPvwDhRK L1ZBnNhYqCsH0TBymAiHIE8h8c1+cog1eaNXr9yn/ExgcW+K1fNuTYI1mzQeYBN9hCf2 qxe2a2JCEQjJD+CCuuwRuSMPTw0KCKMXv+gCc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:52:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151750eea2048fdd0490d9758c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:52:34 +0000 (UTC) --00151750eea2048fdd0490d9758c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i was using 4.0 beta but had to fall back to 3.51 as the beta version did some really strange thing to a lot of the shifters, which i use the shit out of. so, i just got 4.01 and yes it is better but still not up to snuff. i'm surprised, really, as this is the first problem i've had with eventide in nearly a decade of using their gear. - jim On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > are you using the latest software? i had the same problem, but when i > upgraded the eventide to 4.01, it got much better > > sim > > On 21 Sep 2010, at 23:40, james fowler wrote: > > i've sent an email to tech support at eventide, so hopefully they'll be > helpful. if that fails, i'll be calling them. if they'll just admit "hey, > yeah...tempo sync doesn't work very well" then i can at least stop wasting > my time trying to make it cooperate. > > - jim > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:12 PM, wrote: > >> I have been really frustrated with the midi on this thing- and the seeming >> lack of sync between visual tempo and midi tempo. Mine have more to do with >> creating initial loop and having the midi pulse make any sense- hard to >> explain- will mess w it more and report back. >> C >> >> Sent via soup cans and string. >> ------------------------------ >> *From: * james fowler >> *Date: *Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:39:22 -0400 >> *To: *loopers-delight >> *ReplyTo: * Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> *Subject: *OT: eventide following clock >> >> anybody out there having a hard time getting their eventide to follow >> incoming midi clock? to be more specific: the tempo button (and >> corresponding bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get >> the tempo-based modulations to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting >> all over the place and thereby rendering it useless. plogue bidule is >> generating the clock, btw. >> >> any and all help is appreciated. i've gotten no love from both plogue's >> and eventide's forums. >> >> - jim >> > > > --00151750eea2048fdd0490d9758c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i was using 4.0 beta but had to fall back to 3.51 as the beta version did s= ome really strange thing to a lot of the shifters, which i use the shit out= of.=A0 so, i just got 4.01 and yes it is better but still not up to snuff.= =A0 i'm surprised, really, as this is the first problem i've had wi= th eventide in nearly a decade of using their gear.

- jim

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:12 AM= , Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
are you using the latest software? i had the same problem, but when i = upgraded the eventide to 4.01, it got much better

= sim

On 21 Sep 2010, at= 23:40, james fowler wrote:

i've sent an email to tech support at eve= ntide, so hopefully they'll be helpful.=A0 if that fails, i'll be c= alling them.=A0 if they'll just admit "hey, yeah...tempo sync does= n't work very well" then i can at least stop wasting my time tryin= g to make it cooperate.

- jim

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:12 P= M, <cnovey@gmail.com> wrote:
I have been really frustrated with the midi on this thing- and the seemi= ng lack of sync between visual tempo and midi tempo. Mine have more to do w= ith creating initial loop and having the midi pulse make any sense- hard to= explain- will mess w it more and report back.
C

Sent via soup cans and string.

From: james fowler = <twostroke@gmai= l.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:39:22 -0400
To: loopers-delight<Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>= ;
Subject: OT: eventide following clock

anybody out there having a hard time getting their eventide= to follow incoming midi clock?=A0 to be more specific: the tempo button (a= nd corresponding bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me i can'= t get the tempo-based modulations to sync and the modulated parameter is dr= ifting all over the place and thereby rendering it useless.=A0 plogue bidul= e is generating the clock, btw.

any and all help is appreciated.=A0 i've gotten no love from both = plogue's and eventide's forums.

- jim



--00151750eea2048fdd0490d9758c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 13:56:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96F8D3BE8A; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GvRLilwZLHn5lQuoQObAnAmaxNYCcv+1xSQAamOIZ+I=; b=Krcd2ciV4RQfm0MC79vCsx3TqM3tG5a5VOSACyewSR29ZcUTnaAiLNFCy/eFHP5ROC KcdT+wS6RVKeutlGcG5QOjxcGg5IJUBXlBdCM8dkd2zGeLoaCGTyMvlMiunEaayjKymE Hts2YsoJ8e3A+a2o2FboEdxXoOWPQLi8VNDzM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=OahljVfEjlBNgypcb1ViC9Cqjiz2s4HvKj8EJDZzSSRhgQpnKRXaUxCPSvJw7auLmp YP++UII4QjEEIOf0K2F84iElfIoEYZe5sReQiHT01/4sJSrzBc/MxXIWkDsK9EZbQYui yCF00ERnfzjMETv2A96N9jhE5WSl0eab5eUSk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:56:12 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: site specific looping From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:56:13 +0000 (UTC) "Site-specific" is completely appropriate in describing Nadia's performances. And I deliberately used the word "performance" as opposed to Mark's use of the word "gig" because she is talking about her work in terms of the "intent" behind it, which moves it in to the realm of "performance art" that uses looping. (Sheesh! terms!) Nadia, if you aren't already aware of this (I'd be surprised if you weren't!), you might want to contact Carsten here: http://www.singuhr.de/page.php?ID=447 ...it was certainly one of the high points of my recent visit to Berlin and is an incredible space to hear. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Nadia Salom wrote: > dear loopers, > > lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations and I > find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. just wanted to > know if others are also working with site specific performance work. > > here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing looping > technique): > http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64 > > direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM > > another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc > > would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example i love > old staircases or torn down buildings... > > ciao > Nadia > > -- > > http://www.nirmala07.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 13:59:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95D1C3BE91; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=b9P6H2ysD3NVFMUsnAft2KlJ6fkDUfXsEjld/v8Sz4I=; b=J58PzSi5YofqgkQgkdCIpoAdglRGZ0yq1u42zcXEjRTdId0f3kpyDgPsoRqwJQ39+z 7v/nNUaBVHrcc+fWVeiOliFbl8s4PagMpCvdTO2fkH0bkZoSTXQs7w6o41si/vpuvDFJ ugQR4jRH8evvfLXx3CVqgB3sxmFsIWJ9+WSIU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=d4FXgh0mtJ6X/ujWTC0ylkg5KZrvFzHc0Wmsx9GE8kixCi0DcfdGPYsmlmugn4l5b4 aWVEOUK/l0OcBW62WidDeOTPJP8Zg8zAsDiYuRRmv42QTSObCxkVraXWaQHKteqjPOV3 qVls7iB+lI2A5Krm6q4lVopJvM9a7GELrETOk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:59:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6b23ed647630490d98d5b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:59:29 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6b23ed647630490d98d5b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i found i had problems with my t_rates with 4.0. incoming clock was so flaky that modulation rates set to a fraction of the global tempo were all over the place. i ended up setting them as absolute values. it was better with 4.1 though. it's like it's too over sensitive, or something. my D2, which i also had slaved to midi clock, was much less sensitive to small changes in clock value and was therefore more stable. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM, james fowler wrote: > i was using 4.0 beta but had to fall back to 3.51 as the beta version did > some really strange thing to a lot of the shifters, which i use the shit out > of. so, i just got 4.01 and yes it is better but still not up to snuff. > i'm surprised, really, as this is the first problem i've had with eventide > in nearly a decade of using their gear. > > - jim > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Simeon Harris < > simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> are you using the latest software? i had the same problem, but when i >> upgraded the eventide to 4.01, it got much better >> >> sim >> >> On 21 Sep 2010, at 23:40, james fowler wrote: >> >> i've sent an email to tech support at eventide, so hopefully they'll be >> helpful. if that fails, i'll be calling them. if they'll just admit "hey, >> yeah...tempo sync doesn't work very well" then i can at least stop wasting >> my time trying to make it cooperate. >> >> - jim >> >> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:12 PM, wrote: >> >>> I have been really frustrated with the midi on this thing- and the >>> seeming lack of sync between visual tempo and midi tempo. Mine have more to >>> do with creating initial loop and having the midi pulse make any sense- hard >>> to explain- will mess w it more and report back. >>> C >>> >>> Sent via soup cans and string. >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: * james fowler >>> *Date: *Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:39:22 -0400 >>> *To: *loopers-delight >>> *ReplyTo: * Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> *Subject: *OT: eventide following clock >>> >>> anybody out there having a hard time getting their eventide to follow >>> incoming midi clock? to be more specific: the tempo button (and >>> corresponding bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get >>> the tempo-based modulations to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting >>> all over the place and thereby rendering it useless. plogue bidule is >>> generating the clock, btw. >>> >>> any and all help is appreciated. i've gotten no love from both plogue's >>> and eventide's forums. >>> >>> - jim >>> >> >> >> > --000e0cd6b23ed647630490d98d5b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i found i had problems with my t_rates with 4.0. incoming clock was so flak= y that modulation rates set to a fraction of the global tempo were all over= the place. i ended up setting them as absolute values. it was better with = 4.1 though. it's like it's too over sensitive, or something. my D2,= which i also had slaved to midi clock, was much less sensitive to small ch= anges in clock value and was therefore more stable.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM, james fowle= r <twostroke@gm= ail.com> wrote:
i was using 4.0 beta but had to fall back to 3.51 as the beta version did s= ome really strange thing to a lot of the shifters, which i use the shit out= of.=A0 so, i just got 4.01 and yes it is better but still not up to snuff.= =A0 i'm surprised, really, as this is the first problem i've had wi= th eventide in nearly a decade of using their gear.

- jim


On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharri= s40@googlemail.com> wrote:
are you using the latest software? i had the same problem, but when i = upgraded the eventide to 4.01, it got much better

= sim

On 21 Sep 2010, at 23:40, james= fowler wrote:

i've sent an email to tech support at eve= ntide, so hopefully they'll be helpful.=A0 if that fails, i'll be c= alling them.=A0 if they'll just admit "hey, yeah...tempo sync does= n't work very well" then i can at least stop wasting my time tryin= g to make it cooperate.

- jim

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:12 P= M, <cnovey@gmail.com> wrote:
I have been really frustrated with the midi on this thing- and the seemi= ng lack of sync between visual tempo and midi tempo. Mine have more to do w= ith creating initial loop and having the midi pulse make any sense- hard to= explain- will mess w it more and report back.
C

Sent via soup cans and string.

From: james fowler = <twostroke@gmai= l.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:39:22 -0400
To: loopers-delight<Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>= ;
Subject: OT: eventide following clock

anybody out there having a hard time getting their eventide= to follow incoming midi clock?=A0 to be more specific: the tempo button (a= nd corresponding bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me i can'= t get the tempo-based modulations to sync and the modulated parameter is dr= ifting all over the place and thereby rendering it useless.=A0 plogue bidul= e is generating the clock, btw.

any and all help is appreciated.=A0 i've gotten no love from both = plogue's and eventide's forums.

- jim




--000e0cd6b23ed647630490d98d5b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 14:03:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 727223BE8F; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=duQ0DYtoO0ekz4N2rFr9bhUP4s+R5o6hJHMNNgoAr/k=; b=BwGRjZLov+SfGiNgRIu7oqbAHfq9gly26kKsEoJPc4GI3ErxzbbmIvz9NaXxqpbutP qP0+eq8csvzF0u4DB4z4Qr//1rn94QMGghZrX3/SluCv+6svusHJ9DYEjgCpwgu/BKVj Bc1DxUhemF/1UNVaqlzglpSS3qh0cpZNovaPI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Hz1BkTSfmRLgo8NWBCWYZAaK2OZMC8dCFiBlgkpBfcp/uCF+OuqMw4QALoD5K+rnoW zE5N3BVKNPGQ4zI2rKEdDkB0Y3zhMgK01+LSEB9fH+6KFxHQJzk35kLAZIaQLOwg+2Px 8BKW4JuMueDDR1NhCxSuKzFL4InwppROhvaIs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C99D826.2030905@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:03:11 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-fcD-D.A.I8C.gygmMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Per, You nailed it! (about the "playbacks" at European venues). I was surprised last week in Berlin to be sitting in a room at the Akademie der K=FCnste for the "Zero 'n' One" conference and we were "listening" to the playback of several works...the session was a "listening party"! It was very strange and yet had a very charming effect about it. Not something one encounters in the US very often, nor had it happened the previous week at DRHA, in Uxbridge. Best, Dennis P.S. Sorry I wasn't able to get up to Stockholm, but Berlin CERTAINLY kept me busy as I returned with about 15 GB of field recordings and new material! http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:37 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Rick Walker wrote= : >> Actually, =A0I'm proud of the looping festivals because the audiences at= them >> seem so >> attentive. =A0I've heard several people remark about that quality of the >> audiences. > > > IMHO the ultra wide range of variations seem to be the most amazing > aspect of USA. I feel good hearing Obama in the news talking widely > about "tolerance as the foundation for the constitution", knowing that > such tolerance is just another aspect of the freedom for any group of > nerds to totally zoom in on whatever their little groups happens to > fancy (like in this case, live looping). > > Here in Sweden I have experienced a similar group vibe of intensified > listening in silence at traditional electronic music playbacks - not > "concerts", I call it "playbacks" because the trend is that a composer > plays back his produced music recording over an eight speaker surround > system while the audience is placed in the center surrounded by the > speakers. I enjoy attending such "listening gatherings", especially > with old electronic music from the era before the majority of > composers started using DJ inspired drum beats. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 14:10:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B1973BE8B; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YDCfOWIxEzc02KYw6xIRiY/0sTz18DhUQn/PP64O5ow=; b=VgKCGlDyl3V7gNcwqbq4QGhcEN73G0zysKn9oYBukkovqPM/yvd7+YRBbkiSE8Prqw /L9ZyVchpVliZ/RX0HWQRzBNvdlsHVrAbXbvbxzYX5TrhP6uediuTAAVn1LbOIjS6HNQ vsbqFirRi+OW0N7OJBgzcsOSAdu11pLPtvnNQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=PBeqf0SQ+JSWvElAWPmPWvbH1rnhr6S2idST09C76O1noKYRXC2Wln5Wn+Z9T1JmTX Xb/5TeEKzc5Lv0iTGmsAgHGoZKU4oNilKf2UWYrn+VZ5oRpr+I4S28/x2Xt68qPz/SFv 76IcmO75UbimgkGFxN721ihEgPetG/OzQXAgg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:10:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd56a841afdd70490d9b627 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:10:46 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd56a841afdd70490d9b627 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ps - it was fine when i was passing clock straight to the eclipse, without any other midi activity going on. it was only when attempting to merge clock with pc or cc data that i had prolems sim On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > i found i had problems with my t_rates with 4.0. incoming clock was so > flaky that modulation rates set to a fraction of the global tempo were all > over the place. i ended up setting them as absolute values. it was better > with 4.1 though. it's like it's too over sensitive, or something. my D2, > which i also had slaved to midi clock, was much less sensitive to small > changes in clock value and was therefore more stable. > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM, james fowler wrote: > >> i was using 4.0 beta but had to fall back to 3.51 as the beta version did >> some really strange thing to a lot of the shifters, which i use the shit out >> of. so, i just got 4.01 and yes it is better but still not up to snuff. >> i'm surprised, really, as this is the first problem i've had with eventide >> in nearly a decade of using their gear. >> >> - jim >> >> > --000e0cd56a841afdd70490d9b627 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ps - it was fine when i was passing clock straight to the eclipse, without = any other midi activity going on. it was only when attempting to merge cloc= k with pc or cc data that i had prolems

sim

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
i found i had problems with my t_rates with 4.0. incoming clock was so flak= y that modulation rates set to a fraction of the global tempo were all over= the place. i ended up setting them as absolute values. it was better with = 4.1 though. it's like it's too over sensitive, or something. my D2,= which i also had slaved to midi clock, was much less sensitive to small ch= anges in clock value and was therefore more stable.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM, james fowle= r <twostroke@gmail.com> wrote:
i was using 4.0 beta but had to fall back to 3.51 as the beta version did s= ome really strange thing to a lot of the shifters, which i use the shit out= of.=A0 so, i just got 4.01 and yes it is better but still not up to snuff.= =A0 i'm surprised, really, as this is the first problem i've had wi= th eventide in nearly a decade of using their gear.

- jim



--000e0cd56a841afdd70490d9b627-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 14:12:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F7123BE91; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=l9875x3nhrhd0BHJaKnoV/1L9JMQq2BUt58CUjTXhKg=; b=x8K5ERJBN5ZITWfwwzBKTXuXhGbeLVKn5q+btMlI/X0QFhzIoRrJ2ms4OWqCbjmog8 L1tQKOkVfwPJM5Vn7lFjmJtcAUZwb2xDAJlKjT9DxSI4qrFRGD728QKacTHElIzGIvNw E8NXRYEQr3ZEc9kC/HVXQdQVuQQsjPKYOYHeI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ONgkQZXLL68jlkMkRRUXzMk3vSjhLd28rGR+t8YjL3aCrX7/7swHkYCy85JWctYNCR v5JeustPE9iBwqUxttJ69xGXhDK8NrvX72TB11HJN463SROPi79/CJtweaTMIsBEHhUV 5s/ba4Ph/N/KMav4cLuqwZ3ufoVymQvcFHrPU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:12:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151750eea24b6f2d0490d9bd14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:12:46 +0000 (UTC) --00151750eea24b6f2d0490d9bd14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i don't think i have a clock issue. the actual tempo is spot-on (as indicated by the "tap" led) and programs like loop10 lock on and stay right with the sequencer. same thing in the particular patch i'm struggling with "multishift 2". the tempo is fine but t_rate when set to 1/2 notes is all over the place. - jim On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > i found i had problems with my t_rates with 4.0. incoming clock was so > flaky that modulation rates set to a fraction of the global tempo were all > over the place. i ended up setting them as absolute values. it was better > with 4.1 though. it's like it's too over sensitive, or something. my D2, > which i also had slaved to midi clock, was much less sensitive to small > changes in clock value and was therefore more stable. > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM, james fowler wrote: > >> i was using 4.0 beta but had to fall back to 3.51 as the beta version did >> some really strange thing to a lot of the shifters, which i use the shit out >> of. so, i just got 4.01 and yes it is better but still not up to snuff. >> i'm surprised, really, as this is the first problem i've had with eventide >> in nearly a decade of using their gear. >> >> - jim >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Simeon Harris < >> simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> are you using the latest software? i had the same problem, but when i >>> upgraded the eventide to 4.01, it got much better >>> >>> sim >>> >>> On 21 Sep 2010, at 23:40, james fowler wrote: >>> >>> i've sent an email to tech support at eventide, so hopefully they'll be >>> helpful. if that fails, i'll be calling them. if they'll just admit "hey, >>> yeah...tempo sync doesn't work very well" then i can at least stop wasting >>> my time trying to make it cooperate. >>> >>> - jim >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:12 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> I have been really frustrated with the midi on this thing- and the >>>> seeming lack of sync between visual tempo and midi tempo. Mine have more to >>>> do with creating initial loop and having the midi pulse make any sense- hard >>>> to explain- will mess w it more and report back. >>>> C >>>> >>>> Sent via soup cans and string. >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: * james fowler >>>> *Date: *Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:39:22 -0400 >>>> *To: *loopers-delight >>>> *ReplyTo: * Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> *Subject: *OT: eventide following clock >>>> >>>> anybody out there having a hard time getting their eventide to follow >>>> incoming midi clock? to be more specific: the tempo button (and >>>> corresponding bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me i can't get >>>> the tempo-based modulations to sync and the modulated parameter is drifting >>>> all over the place and thereby rendering it useless. plogue bidule is >>>> generating the clock, btw. >>>> >>>> any and all help is appreciated. i've gotten no love from both plogue's >>>> and eventide's forums. >>>> >>>> - jim >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --00151750eea24b6f2d0490d9bd14 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i don't think i have a clock issue.=A0 the actual tempo is spot-on (as = indicated by the "tap" led) and programs like loop10 lock on and = stay right with the sequencer.=A0 same thing in the particular patch i'= m struggling with "multishift 2".=A0 the tempo is fine but t_rate= when set to 1/2 notes is all over the place.=A0

- jim

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:59 AM= , Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
i found i had problems with my t_rates with 4.0. incoming clock was so flak= y that modulation rates set to a fraction of the global tempo were all over= the place. i ended up setting them as absolute values. it was better with = 4.1 though. it's like it's too over sensitive, or something. my D2,= which i also had slaved to midi clock, was much less sensitive to small ch= anges in clock value and was therefore more stable.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM, james fowle= r <twostroke@gmail.com> wrote:
i was using 4.0 beta but had to fall back to 3.51 as the beta version did s= ome really strange thing to a lot of the shifters, which i use the shit out= of.=A0 so, i just got 4.01 and yes it is better but still not up to snuff.= =A0 i'm surprised, really, as this is the first problem i've had wi= th eventide in nearly a decade of using their gear.

- jim


On Wed, Se= p 22, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemai= l.com> wrote:
are you using the latest software? i had the same problem, but when i = upgraded the eventide to 4.01, it got much better

= sim

On 21 Sep 2010, at 23:40, james= fowler wrote:

i've sent an email to tech support at eve= ntide, so hopefully they'll be helpful.=A0 if that fails, i'll be c= alling them.=A0 if they'll just admit "hey, yeah...tempo sync does= n't work very well" then i can at least stop wasting my time tryin= g to make it cooperate.

- jim

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:12 P= M, <cnovey@gmail.com> wrote:
I have been really frustrated with the midi on this thing- and the seemi= ng lack of sync between visual tempo and midi tempo. Mine have more to do w= ith creating initial loop and having the midi pulse make any sense- hard to= explain- will mess w it more and report back.
C

Sent via soup cans and string.

From: james fowler = <twostroke@gmai= l.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:39:22 -0400
To: loopers-delight<Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>= ;
Subject: OT: eventide following clock

anybody out there having a hard time getting their eventide= to follow incoming midi clock?=A0 to be more specific: the tempo button (a= nd corresponding bpm values) are spot-on, but for the life of me i can'= t get the tempo-based modulations to sync and the modulated parameter is dr= ifting all over the place and thereby rendering it useless.=A0 plogue bidul= e is generating the clock, btw.

any and all help is appreciated.=A0 i've gotten no love from both = plogue's and eventide's forums.

- jim





--00151750eea24b6f2d0490d9bd14-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 14:26:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C6223BE99; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285165571; bh=1s9xZ2nYM6xQDR7Lm3/7OoParLQQf2NMwUZfAH7yACA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MgUozwNaQVYiOF5lGNs9AOqJ8PpOOdGzI3t86rzD6uEfoy0Rr7luRlmSP/fsVWDxJacKcAjS/hxbcaxzoxMumhDuzO6xuSf+lCXs027VhFqUub9rAD5RmJhDcr5QJwlGqJHT4VICjcMIDi+oAxLEfq0TBSRKn/jpO3Ph23nlcn4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rdzkMdWvy9PtVc7Jol8bb02SgccODAGOQBjbPvAVh+CiIA5qAzJ3uR1LQZcVZXhAsMUIT+IYFpVpSshBj1st4qyX9Tv9egy0WVB/DF4d9Nn9NJQkogt0c+4JtLeNX7X+h/waaqQzCRK+tiGoAlXuPq5NaKcSE1uhM4V1c8bZHrw=; Message-ID: <972804.82439.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: LKl2cmgVM1l9fPoH8HIhvWtq3.i_fNA1Q4lYcl.3aly0JsM xUEgKDb66iVOOAnroe1Gmeug6Lwj0thE7sh.fgIKZEKtFdXmhEuqKeODSn2Z zLRA41GMIaucG0K5O4nKMAYsxo2_eQUoQVEflfj9i8J6diwxmR3FaoQMJ_Wl Kbap45Cg8CqlAtOeCFPlk8E2oF8c3RPtSBAWlQLqML3hUHbzNgRA._6jh584 0EBW9J5l2aeBWYQ8uzI_BovwPXG7TMJAYzaIsYjs5FviQJC7WbUiCcvs2Pyv g5D5KfnsrgfIcKijvYcHlPXiGxMwH0srphi.Zv9d81AiBpUgn7eWsPL5WDNw gcp8uxZw4Ix65hoaoEQlB_3FKa3AXz.gGOlXYlHYywA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:26:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: OT Le Sacre Du Printemp's violent debut To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4C99E073.1060601@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2079771923-1285165571=:82439" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:26:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-2079771923-1285165571=:82439 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I heard he punched him in the nuts. --- On Wed, 9/22/10, Rick Walker wrote: From: Rick Walker Subject: OT Le Sacre Du Printemp's violent debut To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 6:54 AM Rainer said that Stravinsky punched Debussy during the debut of 'Le Sacre Du Printemp' in Paris. I had always understood that both Ravel and Debussy were enthralled with th= e piece and have never heard that Stravinsky punched Debussy. I just found this description of those events on Classical.Net in an article called "Stravinsky's Le Sacre=A0 at 90: / "Le Sacre's premi=E8re took place at the Th=E9=E2tre des Champs-Elys=E9es o= n May 29, 1913. It is arguably the most famous debacle in western artistic = history. Audience members found the quiet, yet active, introduction ridicul= ous. When the curtain rose and Nijinsky's dances began, the auditorium went= into a rage, their sophistication insulted. *Ravel and Debussy were both p= resent and captivated by the music, but it was soon drowned out in the frac= as. Debris was thrown, as well as punches. *The work was performed in full,= but only with the help of Nijinsky calling steps from atop an offstage cha= ir. / /Stravinsky had a breakdown after the premi=E8re and spent weeks at a sanat= orium in Neuilly to recover from typhoid fever........" / I'm just wondering where you read about Stravinsky punching Debussy, Rainer= . Curious,=A0 not contentious in that query, my friend. You have a vast knowledge of classical music that I respect. yours,=A0=A0=A0Rick Walker =0A=0A=0A --0-2079771923-1285165571=:82439 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I heard he punched him in the nuts.

--= - On Wed, 9/22/10, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wr= ote:

From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
= Subject: OT Le Sacre Du Printemp's violent debut
To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (p= osting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Wednesday, Se= ptember 22, 2010, 6:54 AM

Rainer said that Stravinsky punched Debussy duringthe debut of 'Le Sacre Du Printemp' in Paris.


I had always und= erstood that both Ravel and Debussy were enthralled with the piece
and h= ave never heard that Stravinsky punched Debussy.

I just found this d= escription of those events on Classical.Net
in an article called "Stravi= nsky's Le Sacre  at 90:
/
"Le Sacre's premi=E8re took place at t= he Th=E9=E2tre des Champs-Elys=E9es on May 29, 1913. It is arguably the mos= t famous debacle in western artistic history. Audience members found the qu= iet, yet active, introduction ridiculous. When the curtain rose and Nijinsk= y's dances began, the auditorium went into a rage, their sophistication ins= ulted. *Ravel and Debussy were both present and captivated by the music, bu= t it was soon drowned out in the fracas. Debris was thrown, as well as punc= hes. *The work was performed in full, but only with the help of Nijinsky calling steps from atop an offstage chair. /

/Stravinsky had a brea= kdown after the premi=E8re and spent weeks at a sanatorium in Neuilly to re= cover from typhoid fever........"
/

I'm just wondering where you = read about Stravinsky punching Debussy, Rainer.

Curious,  not c= ontentious in that query, my friend.
You have a vast knowledge of classi= cal music that I respect.

yours,   Rick Walker

=0A=0A --0-2079771923-1285165571=:82439-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 14:32:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 917AF3BE97; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:content-type:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :references:to:x-mailer; bh=CSaMj7a4awrMvV3ZGVReDBAaPSTWI9I5tXmqoptZhhU=; b=wM/Db2QkqFs0xYrfI18nMda2MvgTIyrNbZwG3VQ5SPQD0WpI6YcebcGzXqoN1vVXJk fsC3fsIE++GUOfyybNNsPnMfO8xCt7vEmSygnbiYDvvlHAvuDVNFTQM9lY2o0PA/cw6J NWS1KPFIbIVrodFNJ1LV1K1pqlljAtPf5Fsfs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=HjWByYWXzNagSTjFcZ1RUmFdsgLxYK2vO/dZqCZbLkLxgDxbrlZaRm1LrGOM6Ggzwm B1JJsyB/G3Jg+sO4Zcq65ll84fQYb76VInGVYXYEKmSqBcizKpAiC8htZMuGSvpDFZ/L af+xGJ5s51n3JRWxFE1vKzzIIcDP3TZ4zfa/E= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC03034A7@barq.sailpoint.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:25:02 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4C8B7106.6020704@googlemail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC03034A7@barq.sailpoint.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: <09Ftl.A.boD.xNhmMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:32:17 +0000 (UTC) friends,=20 I have not been present here because I work day and night exactly to = achieve this! The past years, I translated the EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop VST plugin = in C++ and the past months, with great help from Bob Amstadt, I adapt this = software to run on a little Linux processor as Jeff suspects, its pretty crazy and takes a lot of rewrite, but it = seems I will manage to maintain the core with the essencial typical = functions that make it all work the same, so all those musicians who = composed on the EDP or Mobius for years can seamlessly continue playing = with the Evoloop rack unit - with next to no audio latency (yes, its not = like running a plugin on Linux, Bob is much smarter! :-) back to work Matthias On 11 Sep 2010, at 13:41, Jeff Larson wrote: >=20 >> Price is =80295...sooo, anyone interested in doing a Mobius port onto = this >> one? Jeff? ;) >=20 > I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me > boils down to the operating system. Besides the big things like how > you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also > designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file > system. >=20 > It wouldn't really be a port, it would be a 25% to 50% rewrite. If I > did this it wouldn't be Mobius as we know it today, it would have to > be much more limited. =20 >=20 > At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac > versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. >=20 > Sorry, > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 14:34:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E39D3BEC1; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2hCItTti6n/RtteABHaeHIfxVTCpfD4LJaY+we0pN5E=; b=ebfb/OH0DeNxiaIi3OpLn7ubjQ7W/VDBRceqtMwyDDn13kHIdMCMxi9w0LlnjBPU/6 vxhQy7gPKdCK+qkSZgJwjazcCcz491ar+YAcfNSKBpdySwyyMCZ32GRlFvfI6xavt91q VaHklewwwvt049KoGFIre3ZTJVt5cI4eJmvu4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rRxr60ZYp+mhOCe+bhIUSEVRMhW/BXdTbTQFLosirRGGDIexxOvqfdOZS7cMfXzNkk z/5sRgB04gOr0MS6jV9V4Dl9C8ohHYTI0a31j/C8Si2M+iAL9H+qPbqepe/GsBoyIgQm DFRIi/URMUtiy4A3uTSEdRFvV7zKNbSkZsyLQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C99D826.2030905@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:34:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <1da64C.A.5uD.7PhmMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:34:35 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Dennis Moser wro= te: > P.S. Sorry I wasn't able to get up to Stockholm, but Berlin CERTAINLY > kept me busy as I returned with about 15 GB of field recordings and > new material! No worries. Great to hear you assembled new material! Let's meet up next time! :-) Yes, Berlin is a never ending loop. So big and flat! I hardly got back to Sweden last time at the Berlin looping festival. Calculated three hours with the S-Bahn but well at the platform I lost my nerves and asked an old German lady about what time it might take to my target. She put up a horrified face and estimated that I had only about forty percent chance to make it to my bus (yep, 18 hour on bus to Stockholm, with air pillow and iPod) so I ran out as fast as my instrument case allowed for and grabbed a taxi cab on der Strasse. The lady in the taxi told me I was late even given the fact that she was able to drive extremely fast through Berlin. And boy did she step on it! Parks and monuments flickered by =C3=BCber-schnell and two and a half hours later I stepped out of the cab to enter the bus for Stockholm. No time to buy snacks, the bus driver were already warming up the engine. Planned on picking up something to eat on the ferry Germany/Scandinavia but shitloads of migraines kicked in at sea and I had to say goodbye to my precious Berliner Fr=C3=BCst=C3=BCck among gigantic Danish families that we= re constantly eating stuff I couldn't stand to smell... ouch - tough journey. Berlin is fantastic but my exit was an epic failure ;-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 14:38:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C217F3BED8; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1613 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:38:19 UTC Message-ID: <362C040EEDA643578D5E4EE53DDE9031@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1693320.5316.1285162376391.JavaMail.root@m01> In-Reply-To: <1693320.5316.1285162376391.JavaMail.root@m01> Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:11:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_044B_01CB5A2D.BE74E0B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:38:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_044B_01CB5A2D.BE74E0B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's it...I'm moving to Europe! And I'm going to live right next to = where they brew Rochefort in Belgium. :)=20 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_044B_01CB5A2D.BE74E0B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's it...I'm moving to Europe!  = And I'm=20 going to live right next to where they brew Rochefort in Belgium. =20 :) 

Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_044B_01CB5A2D.BE74E0B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 14:40:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B884A3BEE1; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fa2f3cee-c129-429c-818d-f33e73f70437_" X-Originating-IP: [83.145.33.34] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:40:38 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <4C8B7106.6020704@googlemail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC03034A7@barq.sailpoint.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2010 14:40:39.0115 (UTC) FILETIME=[200D19B0:01CB5A64] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:40:39 +0000 (UTC) --_fa2f3cee-c129-429c-818d-f33e73f70437_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Soo will will have EDP back in production again but even BETTER... this is = great news! =20 > Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) > From: matilists@gmail.com > Date: Wed=2C 22 Sep 2010 11:25:02 -0300 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > friends=2C=20 > I have not been present here because I work day and night exactly to achi= eve this! > The past years=2C I translated the EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop VST plugi= n in C++ > and the past months=2C with great help from Bob Amstadt=2C I adapt this s= oftware to run on a little Linux processor > as Jeff suspects=2C its pretty crazy and takes a lot of rewrite=2C but it= seems I will manage to maintain the core with the essencial typical functi= ons that make it all work the same=2C so all those musicians who composed o= n the EDP or Mobius for years can seamlessly continue playing with the Evol= oop rack unit - with next to no audio latency (yes=2C its not like running = a plugin on Linux=2C Bob is much smarter! :-) >=20 > back to work > Matthias >=20 >=20 > On 11 Sep 2010=2C at 13:41=2C Jeff Larson wrote: >=20 > >=20 > >> Price is =A4295...sooo=2C anyone interested in doing a Mobius port ont= o this > >> one? Jeff? =3B) > >=20 > > I've looked at things like this before=2C the problem with them for me > > boils down to the operating system. Besides the big things like how > > you interface with MIDI=2C audio=2C and display devices=2C Mobius was a= lso > > designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file > > system. > >=20 > > It wouldn't really be a port=2C it would be a 25% to 50% rewrite. If I > > did this it wouldn't be Mobius as we know it today=2C it would have to > > be much more limited.=20 > >=20 > > At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac > > versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. > >=20 > > Sorry=2C > > Jeff >=20 = --_fa2f3cee-c129-429c-818d-f33e73f70437_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Soo will will have EDP back =3Bin production again but even BETTER... t= his is great news!
 =3B
>=3B Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius = in a rack unit)
>=3B From: matilists@gmail.com
>=3B Date: Wed=2C = 22 Sep 2010 11:25:02 -0300
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co= m
>=3B
>=3B friends=2C
>=3B I have not been present here b= ecause I work day and night exactly to achieve this!
>=3B The past yea= rs=2C I translated the EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop VST plugin in C++
&g= t=3B and the past months=2C with great help from Bob Amstadt=2C I adapt thi= s software to run on a little Linux processor
>=3B as Jeff suspects=2C= its pretty crazy and takes a lot of rewrite=2C but it seems I will manage = to maintain the core with the essencial typical functions that make it all = work the same=2C so all those musicians who composed on the EDP or Mobius f= or years can seamlessly continue playing with the Evoloop rack unit - with = next to no audio latency (yes=2C its not like running a plugin on Linux=2C = Bob is much smarter! :-)
>=3B
>=3B back to work
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>=3B On 11 Sep 2010=2C at 13:41=2C Jeff Larso= n wrote:
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>=3B >=3B Jeff
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= --_fa2f3cee-c129-429c-818d-f33e73f70437_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 14:41:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 275E73BEEE; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+34qT+Jz0RdUYnKdCTsUqp6fep4XBHyaSneJq/tf2ow=; b=kaESQZMQLKo8GhHsUc9lHiHuo0BEdZC1sLD4WEHPh7Qz+NgNBbaej/2AoxQTsPy+gk s3z1URt+qWKXWvZFtkJirLGNBEapblhNinRIzMryG28/DEnX0VYkqKBe/zbX3ae5vrzP sxxGPBc5xBWhw0mjzl1Z7v+Xb1zYTA2UyScp4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=I2y6qJlFW1QKns2zoDIkNQqJzPguGPOixQSGNXb8wlF5GiRHt2yRxoLDYm2pen3vhb 7i/MzB+K5poFmhqqN0jks3KAQ7c7nmSzjK2h3K5h880hcfLLpjrECInU2nNKiOvEB7BX PkrYHY5SAhhn7ujR5cLGz8rWfHCnLOrhRRKbs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C8B7106.6020704@googlemail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC03034A7@barq.sailpoint.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:41:45 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016362844d4107dc50490da2562 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:41:46 +0000 (UTC) --0016362844d4107dc50490da2562 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's an exciting new ! Anything to say about when it will be available ? -fabio www.eterogeneo.com 2010/9/22 Matthias Grob > friends, > I have not been present here because I work day and night exactly to > achieve this! > The past years, I translated the EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop VST plugin = in > C++ > and the past months, with great help from Bob Amstadt, I adapt this > software to run on a little Linux processor > as Jeff suspects, its pretty crazy and takes a lot of rewrite, but it see= ms > I will manage to maintain the core with the essencial typical functions t= hat > make it all work the same, so all those musicians who composed on the EDP= or > Mobius for years can seamlessly continue playing with the Evoloop rack un= it > - with next to no audio latency (yes, its not like running a plugin on > Linux, Bob is much smarter! :-) > > back to work > Matthias > > > On 11 Sep 2010, at 13:41, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > > >> Price is =80295...sooo, anyone interested in doing a Mobius port onto = this > >> one? Jeff? ;) > > > > I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me > > boils down to the operating system. Besides the big things like how > > you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also > > designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file > > system. > > > > It wouldn't really be a port, it would be a 25% to 50% rewrite. If I > > did this it wouldn't be Mobius as we know it today, it would have to > > be much more limited. > > > > At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac > > versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. > > > > Sorry, > > Jeff > > --0016362844d4107dc50490da2562 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's an exciting new=A0=A0!
Anything to say about when it will be available ?
=A0
-fabio
www.eterogeneo.com

<= /div>
2010/9/22 Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com>
friends,
I have not been pres= ent here because I work day and night exactly to achieve this!
The past = years, I translated the EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop VST plugin in C++
and the past months, with great help from Bob Amstadt, I adapt this softwar= e to run on a little Linux processor
as Jeff suspects, its pretty crazy = and takes a lot of rewrite, but it seems I will manage to maintain the core= with the essencial typical functions that make it all work the same, so al= l those musicians who composed on the EDP or Mobius for years can seamlessl= y continue playing with the Evoloop rack unit - with next to no audio laten= cy (yes, its not like running a plugin on Linux, Bob is much smarter! :-)
back to work
Matthias


On 11 Sep 2010, at 13:41, Jeff Lars= on wrote:

>
>> Price is =80295...sooo, anyone interested= in doing a Mobius port onto this
>> one? Jeff? ;)
>
>= I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me > boils down to the operating system. =A0Besides the big things like how=
> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was al= so
> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a f= ile
> system.
>
> It wouldn't really be a port, it would be = a 25% to 50% rewrite. =A0If I
> did this it wouldn't be Mobius as= we know it today, it would have to
> be much more limited.
> > At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen.
>
> Sorr= y,
> Jeff


--0016362844d4107dc50490da2562-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 14:42:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FACF3BF01; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lHE9XarZBtl7wjZ7juUHNzEHf4Xax1IuaYI4Jwz5aQg=; b=qmr2hZo8EdeS0bfbMi8F0R8SDBMF9Oja5UAmfN8qqctEyI6+XeuLBLVAC6ioiiTCun +JJt7CIwY/ZaWB9My3Cvg+MQ/GzmDM4eB6RkxemXcfzqMTdJHOof+wu+WKQhYsw0k/8O 3wmoCETqmaQn5bCWaUh2KfRJ3FY+8Zpbu6Emo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tiUfhDAxL6e9IbFGspe92Ts39beV6k2jCu9wW7mblX248IrGIwKSIb1jjHw8aLl0By FLiasfuXPQ2fNLFxVKU7ceLDwJPrcaH4CbzQHAmaIGd1A/XwdfBbtz9JEAbAx6ghFtbc RBBATNJgkhFnYiE+2qPK1oSfSZN4TfmnifNvY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C8B7106.6020704@googlemail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC03034A7@barq.sailpoint.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:42:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Exciting news, Matthias! I hope you and Bob can put on some Evoloop information seminar in Santa Cruz to talk about details! Wow.... Per On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > friends, > I have not been present here because I work day and night exactly to achi= eve this! > The past years, I translated the EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop VST plugin = in C++ > and the past months, with great help from Bob Amstadt, I adapt this softw= are to run on a little Linux processor > as Jeff suspects, its pretty crazy and takes a lot of rewrite, but it see= ms I will manage to maintain the core with the essencial typical functions = that make it all work the same, so all those musicians who composed on the = EDP or Mobius for years can seamlessly continue playing with the Evoloop ra= ck unit - with next to no audio latency (yes, its not like running a plugin= on Linux, Bob is much smarter! :-) > > back to work > Matthias > > > On 11 Sep 2010, at 13:41, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> >>> Price is =E2=82=AC295...sooo, anyone interested in doing a Mobius port = onto this >>> one? Jeff? ;) >> >> I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me >> boils down to the operating system. =C2=A0Besides the big things like ho= w >> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also >> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file >> system. >> >> It wouldn't really be a port, it would be a 25% to 50% rewrite. =C2=A0If= I >> did this it wouldn't be Mobius as we know it today, it would have to >> be much more limited. >> >> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac >> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. >> >> Sorry, >> Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 14:49:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E7CF3BEFB; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 332828.68932.bm@omp114.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285166948; bh=o4gLq4rAIv3Fny7MjoexIOpNER7saRQd/ONx13zGYPg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=n7YGIDxrC1TxaS9JlWXb65uY/7Dtk3syFwRPi1B2QwBjlW/1pJd5DqzMKENwBLMSSJ5FVwmDn8gCvbbtLhLehipdwo6OCmSEr3oMwH6TPWWO1wtaY2R1v1gqCAxKr/1XP7xhziqiXab/zlCIGK5avd+n/YpTXabT6rKFsA0bRaY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wPbm/wQv+JEG1Y113nHpifz2h8j+dWxBSufvuJ7uGC2br5COSrhH8bTIN3NSBk39wi1OGxKq9mN9OP3sqUQTd0NmiCct7MMUObf/bknrgGqBz6nc2ZsjUZbH82cXhK036vEE1GOUFJiZ7LhuSvCuFo0598n5Qh6GBypAA50dP/8=; Message-ID: <984801.17110.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: IQy.cKQVM1n6opOvBs6eD8Mhou6dx7w3T8J477r1Zb6F3Ud X3hh.YnmxndKB3wLnnVMviuLe1tOj9RkS5EeSoJTnG9G09OkIC3nTyuh2K7. hMacs5.G8cAaDyuDpMCaJMdIHgUbIXoYhA.zK94vrOo36x5Ae4hz_BrId07H H.8KNY1hbGyvoiRtJ6K5C.uOgHcs1BArnfCFcxzpIBLScWnR2IT.1IzbO7rG E9gCO04EyBhg.6zAPkFUCLVvzYu_iPHXkv.joS0JUrS8CG3rnQm31QzGBXtH auQp.UTwlSWNl.UIhK2fx1roxLsSJDcfGgqXR9NAQ4qT7IpTre4W6IgFdmyy tLHG_9iAcsdiU4bKJb2dhIu1Y4WCT1gl4 X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:49:08 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: windows 7 on Mac for BLG editor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:49:09 +0000 (UTC) hello,=0A=0AI need to run a Gordius BLG editor on a MAc using Windows with = boot camp. Will =0AWindows 7 do the job for the editor? Is it a good choice= for bootcamp?=0A=0AAntony=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: R= ainer Straschill =0ATo: loopers-delight@loopers-d= elight.com=0ASent: Wed, September 22, 2010 10:48:46 AM=0ASubject: German au= diences (WAS site specific looping)=0A=0AMark said:=0A"Is this normal, dire= cted at the german LDer,s Rainer etc?=0A=0AI think manly it because germans= really listen, and listen hard (I=0Athink Stockhausen said this at a lectu= re I attended - is he German? I=0Athink so.. that the rest of Europe has to= learn to listen!!!) and as=0Asuch, maybe they are more absorbed, and it ta= kes some time to snap out=0Aof it?"=0A=0ASo, here's my theory of it:=0AFirs= t of all, I just claim that people who listen to the odd stuff a=0Alot of u= s do (including Nadja and you ;) do often have a background in=0Aclassical = (including contemporary classical) music.=0A=0AThe accepted behaviour for c= lassical concert audiences (mainly ever=0Asince the Romantic era - see belo= w) is not to interfere with the=0Aperformance as long as it lasts and save = the applause for after the=0Apiece (for works with multiple movements, unti= l after the whole=0Aperformance has been finished). And as there are works = which work with=0Aextended pauses, the safe bet for the audience is to wait= until the=0Aperformer clearly shows that he is done.=0A=0A[note: behaviour= in classical music events hasn't always been like=0Athat. Especially durin= g the Wiener Klassik era (CPE Bach, Mozart,=0AHaydn), a lot of performances= happened by the ensemble of a wealthy=0Apeers to accompany their dinner or= garden parties. This did only=0Achange when performances were moved more i= nto a public context, and it=0Aalso took composers as prolific and self-ass= ured as Beethoven to keep=0Apeople from loudly talking or walking around du= ring a performance. As=0Aanother note, Richard Wagner was the guy who, agai= nst great resistance=0Afrom the opera audiences at that time, would include= the rules that=0Athe lights in the audience were turned off during the act= ual=0Aperformance and talking was prohibited.=0AThis mode of enjoying music= performance has more or less remained=0Aconstant since then in the classic= al realm - except from occasional=0Afisticuffs and punchfests like at the p= remiere of Berg's "Zw=F6lf kleine=0AOrchesterst=FCcke", or Strawinsky knock= ing out Debussy at the premiere=0Aof "Le Sacre du Printemps".]=0A=0ASo simp= ly, even if you're working with chainsaws or whatever, as long=0Aas it's un= derstood it's "neither rock nor jazz", audiences in Germany=0Awill behave l= ike this. You all be the judge if that is good or bad -=0Abut at least, it = allows us to use a huge dynamic range, include=0Adrawn-out periods of silen= ce etc.=0A=0AYours,=0A=0A Rainer=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 14:55:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B76C23BF12; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:55:35 UTC Message-Id: From: Bob Amstadt To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--230432675 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (7E18) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7E18) Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:48:46 -0700 References: <4C8B7106.6020704@googlemail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC03034A7@barq.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:55:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--230432675 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When it is done. It is a team effort though so hopefully it will be =20 done sooner than if one person did it. --Bob Amstadt On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Fabio_A wrote: > That's an exciting new ! > Anything to say about when it will be available ? > > -fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > 2010/9/22 Matthias Grob > friends, > I have not been present here because I work day and night exactly to =20= > achieve this! > The past years, I translated the EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop VST =20 > plugin in C++ > and the past months, with great help from Bob Amstadt, I adapt this =20= > software to run on a little Linux processor > as Jeff suspects, its pretty crazy and takes a lot of rewrite, but =20 > it seems I will manage to maintain the core with the essencial =20 > typical functions that make it all work the same, so all those =20 > musicians who composed on the EDP or Mobius for years can seamlessly =20= > continue playing with the Evoloop rack unit - with next to no audio =20= > latency (yes, its not like running a plugin on Linux, Bob is much =20 > smarter! :-) > > back to work > Matthias > > > On 11 Sep 2010, at 13:41, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > > >> Price is =E2=82=AC295...sooo, anyone interested in doing a Mobius = port on=20 > to this > >> one? Jeff? ;) > > > > I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me > > boils down to the operating system. Besides the big things like how > > you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also > > designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file > > system. > > > > It wouldn't really be a port, it would be a 25% to 50% rewrite. =20 > If I > > did this it wouldn't be Mobius as we know it today, it would have to > > be much more limited. > > > > At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac > > versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. > > > > Sorry, > > Jeff > > --Apple-Mail-2--230432675 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When it is done.  It is a team = effort though so hopefully it will be done sooner than if one person did = it.  

--Bob Amstadt

On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:41 = AM, Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com> = wrote:

That's = an exciting new  !
Anything to say about when it will be available ?
 
-fabio
www.eterogeneo.com

2010/9/22 Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com>=
friends,
I have not = been present here because I work day and night exactly to achieve = this!
The past years, I translated the EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop = VST plugin in C++
and the past months, with great help from Bob Amstadt, I adapt this = software to run on a little Linux processor
as Jeff suspects, its = pretty crazy and takes a lot of rewrite, but it seems I will manage to = maintain the core with the essencial typical functions that make it all = work the same, so all those musicians who composed on the EDP or Mobius = for years can seamlessly continue playing with the Evoloop rack unit - = with next to no audio latency (yes, its not like running a plugin on = Linux, Bob is much smarter! :-)

back to work
Matthias


On 11 Sep 2010, at 13:41, Jeff = Larson wrote:

>
>> Price is =E2=82=AC295...sooo, = anyone interested in doing a Mobius port onto this
>> one? = Jeff? ;)
>
> I've looked at things like this before, the = problem with them for me
> boils down to the operating system.  Besides the big things = like how
> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, = Mobius was also
> designed with certain OS assumptions like = virtual memory and a file
> system.
>
> It wouldn't really be a port, it would be a = 25% to 50% rewrite.  If I
> did this it wouldn't be Mobius as = we know it today, it would have to
> be much more = limited.
>
> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and = Mac
> versions going so I doubt this will ever = happen.
>
> Sorry,
> = Jeff


= --Apple-Mail-2--230432675-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 14:57:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 757ED3BF10; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mcZm04pC8nuCPqp/xKdW/f65V4z89qQmNJyhXJoZyBo=; b=XKa1qAFzyf4R+SGYHch87yBRaACpXtGDrLAxyHu2AFIZsySjDprDcCuYiehb7jRKm2 wEXPx5/gGIByQdcxeLsGJUilFa+3jY88kSwFIPtwUqeqtTiKQnq9+jtQqJGM74dvIJGF D2iUFQ8Mmsy/N/DI2AOxcdFD5Hj001tzYyO+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=OOFrltpkCUX/mCCjk35FnRSFMo0p9y3M494zc30o4Kx3qCeLXN3uJUxcXMt7IY3/+e TuRsNY83KcOsiQpx8kTgOQXl6Y3Q2dxPgFtiCHc20bctCTrYWiWCXVTGBkmQf5WuqL5G 3pW25eXp0WXwAVWwPHNNMYfc7RlZ/iyxpi4F0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <984801.17110.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <984801.17110.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:57:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: windows 7 on Mac for BLG editor From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:57:10 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:49 PM, wrote: > > I need to run a Gordius BLG editor on a MAc using Windows with boot camp. Will > Windows 7 do the job for the editor? Is it a good choice for bootcamp? Any system is good for Bootcamp. The relevant question would be if the system W7 will be good for the software you intend to run under it. I'm afraid I don't know about the Gordius editor. I run it under XP here. Did you check on the Gordius web site? You can always email Xavier and ask. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 15:04:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 416DD3BECA; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZOo/ewZxT0BHEZEk6t5T8tnv0DrI6JNuqB6MX54R6Qo=; b=c+vEXii13tsc4EurB6MtUO+Onv2R8wHADSNrDYbhrVCvrbRPJUctKUmHrlB4B+Lzq9 LEWOAcfMqzd0+ZI+GDpm2dmoWNEj+TGHz7gllGvdldbPROT++WB926C5bMJiDoArArJn ALyvmgBfoegA8DL4V1TW6jXcvcc+5JugTTG3I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=VG8urahT6kWOh5f28uvkLTVlYMUkH/xyvABDV22yR4XbXqF4oEpwljpFuXWUFLzv/c 2qxbxoMHJE1NF4mcN0F3hQoMI1bYax+oBZM1zOkcXm7xsXEMrlOalrhUNNt9WSlkwCQq a/EtKuvq2AMGtiUbo4ZJ640ek3zeL6DLQIAWc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:04:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6acbc0caaf50490da7753 Resent-Message-ID: <2aHmsB.A.XmE.KshmMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:04:42 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6acbc0caaf50490da7753 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 do you have tempo set to global, rather than preset? obvious question i know, but i had to ask... On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:12 PM, james fowler wrote: > i don't think i have a clock issue. the actual tempo is spot-on (as > indicated by the "tap" led) and programs like loop10 lock on and stay right > with the sequencer. same thing in the particular patch i'm struggling with > "multishift 2". the tempo is fine but t_rate when set to 1/2 notes is all > over the place. > > - jim > > > --000e0cd6acbc0caaf50490da7753 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable do you have tempo set to global, rather than preset?

obvious questio= n i know, but i had to ask...

On Wed, Sep= 22, 2010 at 3:12 PM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com> wrote:
i don't think= i have a clock issue.=A0 the actual tempo is spot-on (as indicated by the = "tap" led) and programs like loop10 lock on and stay right with t= he sequencer.=A0 same thing in the particular patch i'm struggling with= "multishift 2".=A0 the tempo is fine but t_rate when set to 1/2 = notes is all over the place.=A0

- jim



--000e0cd6acbc0caaf50490da7753-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 17:54:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4553A3BE8C; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C9A42D3.8000007@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:54:27 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: OT Le Sacre Du Printemp's violent debut References: <972804.82439.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <972804.82439.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <10TUw.A.OYH.bLkmMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:54:35 +0000 (UTC) On 11:59 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > I heard he punched him in the nuts. Debussy> I know, but where is the documentation? This could easily be a myth and I'd love to know what actually happened. Rainer, where are you in this discussion? You always seem to be able to research stuff like this. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 19:15:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 316753BE81; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:15:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=I9S3jICJFX0ksIQ1hTF7cB+hdkfzEOEMQBms3HIDSAM=; b=hkHcke7znRfZX+Gf4JweoV0pVlZzXPVwBfKIdg08BrephVeto9dNTao8OC81hz/rMR DjIfcxmw2hcwinEoHkZCVNMDc1DF72YbG1pKlRdhzPCjvXC7O8RfZPlsKevp7BoauiI6 G2JNhFs+7cEcsDI8eR+YTLBOQehvfcS54JrfI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RSUpz6+M1XqKYMh//TCOfMZIV9n7ZkqdGj0sMX5o6W7E/XoXh/hPJ+pce1uuXeBS1D E0ea8Mcbvu7WtTZe6p2RtHyUVFRNriZOCrIVrxYawGgYCpwuKdD4Ct7QKZKC0CsrmU1O zFPnIkXY2LM+zv0+9/0Mm033V++TkIqw91EO8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C9A42D3.8000007@cruzio.com> References: <972804.82439.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C9A42D3.8000007@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:15:55 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Le Sacre Du Printemp's violent debut From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <9YOS4B.A.Hw.tXlmMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:15:58 +0000 (UTC) I'm beginning to think the whole "Stravinsky punching Debussy" at all is a myth based on a possible mis-translation. Here's what I've come up with so far: http://blog.allmusic.com/2009/03/27/augurs-of-spring-some-anecdotes-of-stra= vinskys-le-sacre-du-printemps/ "In June of 1912, Stravinsky and the French composer Claude Debussy (left) sight-read it together. Debussy commented that the music resembled =E2=80=9Ca beautiful nightmare.=E2=80=9D " So they actually were working on it together while Stravinsky was composing it. A little further down the page, this passage suggests that there was more than a little "myth-making" going on: "The premiere at Paris=E2=80=99 Th=C3=83=C2=A9=C3=83=C2=A2tre des Champs-= =C3=83=E2=80=B0lys=C3=83=C2=A9es on May 29, 1913 is remembered for the riot, which started shortly after the introductory bassoon melody. Beyond that, little of the music was heard. Yet even though tradition holds that the boos and hisses were triggered by the strange sounds coming from the orchestra, the fracas was apparently preplanned, because factions had formed before the event and were itching for a fight. While the music certainly was shocking, as were the dancers, whose movements were decidedly primitive, awkward, and not at all the refined pirouetting of conventional ballet, the mayhem erupted on ideological grounds. As Jean Cocteau (right) recalled, the dispute was between =E2=80=9D =E2=80=A6= the smart audience in tails and tulle, diamonds and ospreys, and the suits and bandeaux of the aesthetic crowd. The latter would applaud novelty simply to show their contempt for the people in the boxes.=E2=80=9D Cocteau also related that the audience ridiculed the women dancers in their braids and primitive costumes as =E2=80=9Cknock-kneed Lolitas.=E2=80=9D So the "Stravinsky punching Debussy" probably DIDN'T happen. We do know that Stravinsky had his hands full anyway, as there are several accounts of him running backstage, where Diaghelev was turning the house lights on and off, and Stravinsky having to reach for Nijinsky's coat-tails (Nijinsky was standing on a chair, shouting out the count to the dancers)... This account even suggests that much of the "fracas" was made up by Stravinsky himself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rite_of_Spring). After all, there's no such thing as "bad press" unless it's "no press." Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > =C2=A0On 11:59 AM, Paul Richards wrote: >> >> I heard he punched him in the nuts. Debussy> > > I know, but where is the documentation? =C2=A0This could easily be a myth= and > I'd love to know what actually happened. > > Rainer, =C2=A0where are you in this discussion? =C2=A0 =C2=A0You always s= eem to be able > to research stuff like this. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 20:46:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0935F3BE89; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lmyp1o8nzKI0IA0OGtR9GAgz8BbTLRASKqQMWJThbgk=; b=HukD+0lqmPIGF7Wwv3bi2YutqYvi1ynR/hFKxGgZJeQhdMaQKbmvcuZ13WbY7p8mvo Hi3Nf5m09i07PkP85XWJZ1P0Yohx8RLzss1nf76AWPCFHBM2DIbyU0QDPuwRRzZzgBIX JY+R2ODeNZIoaqe9qx09pXM/EAvwaCLPO+qsw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=lSybufsHDAkbhsHzSdxoHyNpe20LhdoQWK+q9rYTgtGar95xiXadgnX0x7kYm/QVP6 wUqdyQdUeHlVLmnnRTPx1k2pZybQEg0CKkV6eXPMrlsjOChRuiS3MVTIc0w0lcunF2e5 KwQcLF4bYtrnilg9P4a9WdRM1joBE7s3Tiu7c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:46:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: new pods with looper From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:46:23 +0000 (UTC) http://www.thomann.de/es/line6_pod_hd500.htm http://www.thomann.de/es/line6_pod_hd400.htm http://www.thomann.de/es/line6_pod_hd300.htm --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I b=E9, despr=E9s estava aquella dona que sense saber que estava il.luminada, exclamava: "O siga, que he pagat per aquesta merda de m=E0quina i resulta que ni tan sols em diu si s=F3c un Buda o no, =F2sties!= , no podien posar-li una agulla , o que pitara, o alguna cosa aix=ED? " Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 21:11:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 793B83BE84; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285189902; bh=53qNVz7l63c2FofEDkJ20pd1eRHfZpMYPKjXlbTflH0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iEmmgCjm4N2vo6L8JsnOsdAfphqgqQy6nNXImv8rx3LBRghj8xHM39h+vgybMV/mr/ekr5NLZYnMXPi5Kf3oy0HjwCvUb0ESSiX5oleDS3x70+Jz+Bdi1EJbCcOEcWnmpRlwWdel/+xMsRvs60fg8uNskHcWflQp3mnvoBEc+dM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=umodAjDXzCtY3u9L5sCf1j3KzUbtjR7RirvxcZqvLsn4yJru8rgefXRCT4wODaA2yvok0RToFP4oNDBXRfmI0iYduYeMIHOulqQTbAiNUQcVSXndOtl2U2cLkaZZ/M/2JhKIytoybKS67fueixMvjxx9ENlnWV1GKzMa9ICY5Sc=; Message-ID: <903471.78845.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: BRx3RVcVM1lvcfThc2QQvq93yLdd3RpI0ehcQWCe5JDbfOT 6DqksrteNTNvGWZYxT1OF6CTsNKBRBWDitNrwWSieqWirxxFlKeSA1YRtnXG IGGy7tpKG1RLoTxlp39ma6.aXfK4Cny4.MT_PisqSJcIP8FIa1ddmXjb8Uqv 0Pgjpm1PjyOpNBKjsc_I7KJdfRTcDz5RGC1BG19n8CpVqMvHdTyU1VkMKliI je91GuRw5jyXQA94iD4uvqQ5GpZiUx.CfS.svnm10ks3jgmtwFCzZ8zAHbd9 P9mEzZMIvpLRoh5QjidqoxVntQV40rEkYK3yo6XcQCLKUHDUMZErglb.bRRZ 2EQk1R_U.q92oclkYNulsHAsYKkIY X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:11:42 -0700 (PDT) From: K D Patten Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-323923136-1285189902=:78845" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:11:44 +0000 (UTC) --0-323923136-1285189902=:78845 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You guys make me wish i could play over there more than ever......the place= s i play here in the mid west US......no applause or may be just a bit....f= ollowed by " do Ya know any Skynard ? " Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA=A0 50131 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20 =A0http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 --- On Wed, 9/22/10, Christo Jota wrote: From: Christo Jota Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 7:26 AM =0A=0A =0A=A0=0AUS- and British musicians often like to play in Germany. = =0AThey told me, in the US f.ex. people are drinking and talking=0Awhile th= ey perform. This is different here. In most =0Aclubs, except maybe pubs, th= e people listen to=0Athe music respectfully. Then they react depending on t= he =0A"value" of the performance.=0AChristo=0A=0A=A0=0A=0AFrom: mark franco= mbe =0ASent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:34 AM=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com =0A=0ASubject: German audiences (WAS site specific =0Aloo= ping)=0A One slightly controversial comment I have after watching these =0Aclips of = Nadia again, that brings back the fear into me.. is... (donning fire =0Aret= ardant spider-man costume) What is with these German audiances? Nadia has = =0Aalmost packed up and gone home and put her feet up in front of the fire = with a =0Agood book, before they start to react? Are they crazy, or maybe s= tunned? =0A (Actually THIS is the controversial comment) When I used to play in =0Agerm= any, We often got this reaction, absolute silence during songs, minimal =0A= applause inbetween.. till the end, then.. after we had left the stage and = =0Athinking "God, they hated us", they would go CRAZY demanding 3 or 4 enco= res.. =0AWhat is that...? It would put me in a bad mood during the show and had NO =0Aidea that they = were enjoying it? Is this normal, directed at the german =0ALDer,s Rainer etc?=20 I think manly it because germans really listen, and =0Alisten hard (I think= Stockhausen said this at a lecture I attended - is he =0AGerman? I think s= o.. that the rest of Europe has to learn to listen!!!) and as =0Asuch, mayb= e they are more absorbed, and it takes some time to snap out of =0Ait? If thats it, then its a compliment I guess.. still very off-putting. =0A(an= d before anyone jumps at me for being generalistic, or god forbid, rascist.= . =0AIm just reporting what I promise was the case for me... never saw it a= nywhere =0Aelse - except perhaps one strange gig in Scotland, on April fool= s day, when the =0Aaudience played a trick on us by NEVER applauding once..= ha ha! very fucking =0Afunny... Mark --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter =0A@markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0-323923136-1285189902=:78845 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You guys= make me wish i could play over there more than ever......the places i play= here in the mid west US......no applause or may be just a bit....followed = by " do Ya know any Skynard ? "

Kyle Dean Patten
P.O. Box 22
Johnston, IA  50131

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http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
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 http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten     =   





--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Christo Jota &l= t;chris@christojota.de> wrote:

F= rom: Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de>
Subject: Re: German audie= nces (WAS site specific looping)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 7:26 AM

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= US- and British musicians often like to play in Germany. =0AThey told me, i= n the US f.ex. people are drinking and talking
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while they perform. This is different here. In most =0Aclubs= , except maybe pubs, the people listen to
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the music respectfully. Then they react depending on the =0A"valu= e" of the performance.
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Christo
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=0A=0AFrom: mark francombe
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Sent: Wednesday, Sept= ember 22, 2010 9:34 AM
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Subject: Ge= rman audiences (WAS site specific =0Alooping)
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One slightly controversial comment I have after watching these =0Acli= ps of Nadia again, that brings back the fear into me.. is... (donning fire = =0Aretardant spider-man costume) What is with these German audiances? Nadia= has =0Aalmost packed up and gone home and put her feet up in front of the = fire with a =0Agood book, before they start to react? Are they crazy, or ma= ybe stunned? =0A

(Actually THIS is the controversial comment) When I= used to play in =0Agermany, We often got this reaction, absolute silence d= uring songs, minimal =0Aapplause inbetween.. till the end, then.. after we = had left the stage and =0Athinking "God, they hated us", they would go CRAZ= Y demanding 3 or 4 encores.. =0AWhat is that...?
It would put me in a ba= d mood during the show and had NO =0Aidea that they were enjoying it?
Is this normal, directed at the german =0ALDer,s Rainer etc?

I th= ink manly it because germans really listen, and =0Alisten hard (I think Sto= ckhausen said this at a lecture I attended - is he =0AGerman? I think so.. = that the rest of Europe has to learn to listen!!!) and as =0Asuch, maybe th= ey are more absorbed, and it takes some time to snap out of =0Ait?

I= f thats it, then its a compliment I guess.. still very off-putting. =0A(and= before anyone jumps at me for being generalistic, or god forbid, rascist..= =0AIm just reporting what I promise was the case for me... never saw it an= ywhere =0Aelse - except perhaps one strange gig in Scotland, on April fools= day, when the =0Aaudience played a trick on us by NEVER applauding once.. = ha ha! very fucking =0Afunny...

Mark

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--0-323923136-1285189902=:78845-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 22 21:59:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B72B3BE88; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Is this a good deal? Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:59:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:59:15 +0000 (UTC) These run about $379 in the USA, we have one in sunburst at Union Grove Music, the shop i work at part time . I took one of these to Europe in 2008 because it was light weight and easy to travel with and not as worrisome if lost or stolen. I did pimp it out with a better pickup, I chose aTV jones supertron pickup which have great clarity and top end but is humbucking whereas the stock pickup is single coil and thus noisier. But any F spaced humbucker would work. Its single coil sound is actually pretty good sounding though. Its got decent tuners, optional light weight gig bag. I ended up selling it and pairing back to one electric lap steel. The thing is about 35 inches long so could potentially fit in a larger suitcase, diagonally. Though i tied it to my other gig bag like a papoose. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 01:40:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDE623BE88; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 01:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=6jJznfYvAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=fLgXDse7aKWtFfz-c70A:9 a=ZOch8LMUmDtTPsutAlEA:7 a=mIfwkvyCX9-XCv-c2Rj8JO4tekAA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=QCbVq7ALbj8A:10 Message-Id: <8E3FF3EC-DD90-4E35-8C6A-55706CD6D0F7@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: site specific looping Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:39:56 -0700 References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <22i-Y.A._9G.8_qmMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 01:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Nadia, The one in the attic was quite haunting. Thanks for sharing. Ted On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Nadia Salom wrote: > dear loopers, > > lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations > and I find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. > just wanted to know if others are also working with site specific > performance work. > > here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing > looping technique): > http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64 > > direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM > > another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc > > would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example > i love old staircases or torn down buildings... > > ciao > Nadia > > -- > http://www.nirmala07.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 01:43:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 356953BE84; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 01:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=myP459r3AAAA:8 a=kpHFvfvXAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=fnSQuZt0YrvOMjx3bcYA:9 a=VekxPyKdFjBcAlv1plwCoxypjBkA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: <9390B9B4-9813-467A-9383-788166583F2A@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: For Your Listening Enjoyment Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:42:58 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 01:43:10 +0000 (UTC) I'm enjoying this too. Been a bit late getting to my email lately. Fun stuff Kevin. On Sep 21, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > If you're looking for some appropriately atmospheric and diffuse > listening here is an hour and a half of such a thing I performed on > the radio last week > > http://soundcloud.com/billowhead/bge-khsu-pt-1 > http://soundcloud.com/billowhead/bge-khsu-pt-2 > > There is looping in there somewhere. > > Enjoy, > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to > have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all > trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 02:36:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EBDF3BE88; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 02:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1285209363; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=hSsrx36L77dj4x8a7Payh368Ojc=; b=dYYj70TzAccU7eOvAEMpBs5VahsTejCfjfUnLk9tysy2T5qoxelUHmr+oy5YSU2/ Yj5ED1psTzP31lqc2Vn+GgoKQLCVYu2wytN3E6X+YIDeX/6rVLTGvQi2kkyAsujb; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=PGpGjwzzgrZfRqdDUbTKGMiyrnaoLpppVodYmV5zomA= c=1 sm=0 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ehtJdgEozhTLuTk3s5J8Og==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=myP459r3AAAA:8 a=kpHFvfvXAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=F7O0TBrx6eAQP8D67jcA:9 a=vOHaMAlGfaV6t0oSp4FJHndsj-EA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=ehtJdgEozhTLuTk3s5J8Og==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=Jeff_d; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000601cb5ac8$10c13e50$537e3447@tbl01fcf9be917> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <9390B9B4-9813-467A-9383-788166583F2A@charter.net> Subject: Re: For Your Listening Enjoyment Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:36:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100922-0, 09/22/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 02:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Kevin let me chime in also, I really enjoyed that for my surfing the net tunes, thanks! J ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® KiLLiAn" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: Re: For Your Listening Enjoyment > I'm enjoying this too. > > Been a bit late getting to my email lately. > > Fun stuff Kevin. > > On Sep 21, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > >> If you're looking for some appropriately atmospheric and diffuse >> listening here is an hour and a half of such a thing I performed on >> the radio last week >> >> http://soundcloud.com/billowhead/bge-khsu-pt-1 >> http://soundcloud.com/billowhead/bge-khsu-pt-2 >> >> There is looping in there somewhere. >> >> Enjoy, >> >> Kevin >> >> -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to >> have a >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >> trouble. >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 03:16:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DABC43BE88; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 03:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OmvyTSsyvk+zem8V8QKC1nY1/kmkMDzYBwDhj1TdI84=; b=u5LkZI8Th56BRpPEGgy8NmFR+P1rLt/RDqSuWQHSKQqlwJX/ho5tq/pBlH5D9tdPD2 yxDdDcOAzxkeVQHWFGK8IDM6Ih5aSS9vO15xuHfmDSvUt+bJXkVcnbpA6RY4D3593pPF KDvq9V2AJZRruXPqd0QvPb3v6O0tKXdnjcEkw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ImPHdGvFLnyzegtDN77HxenxmeLOOkTzuZxA7XjxmzqHVenbzC5kXlCT/XJu5PxPWD r+i8bkHB2qcfkmexLEpHao7vO8RZP3fultmZc+pJlt43sNjeLcvQ5JhONaUqdmdjAAGG 8aQ6NoE0sr7B+4C01XtdubFuU0+mJgvTBwo3s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:16:27 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3103e086c9e0490e4b081 Resent-Message-ID: <9vJ4a.A._m.MasmMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 03:16:28 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd3103e086c9e0490e4b081 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i've tried both but let me experiment again. a lot of my testing was done prior to updating the os...and it's all kinda running together. i know global is what i want, but shouldn't program be overridden if the machine sees a new tempo? manual isn't quite clear enough... - jim On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > do you have tempo set to global, rather than preset? > > obvious question i know, but i had to ask... > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:12 PM, james fowler wrote: > >> i don't think i have a clock issue. the actual tempo is spot-on (as >> indicated by the "tap" led) and programs like loop10 lock on and stay right >> with the sequencer. same thing in the particular patch i'm struggling with >> "multishift 2". the tempo is fine but t_rate when set to 1/2 notes is all >> over the place. >> >> - jim >> >> >> > --000e0cd3103e086c9e0490e4b081 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i've tried both but let me experiment again.=A0 a lot of my testing was= done prior to updating the os...and it's all kinda running together.= =A0 i know global is what i want, but shouldn't program be overridden i= f the machine sees a new tempo?=A0 manual isn't quite clear enough...
- jim

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:04 A= M, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
do you have tempo set to global, rather than preset?

obvious questio= n i know, but i had to ask...


On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:12 PM, james fowler <tw= ostroke@gmail.com> wrote:
i don't think= i have a clock issue.=A0 the actual tempo is spot-on (as indicated by the = "tap" led) and programs like loop10 lock on and stay right with t= he sequencer.=A0 same thing in the particular patch i'm struggling with= "multishift 2".=A0 the tempo is fine but t_rate when set to 1/2 = notes is all over the place.=A0

- jim




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hello, back on the block for some more tech nerd stuff.

I need to reinstall windows on an iMac to run editor for Gordius BLG and other editor programs.

I plan to run Bootcamp and windows 7. Is this a wise choice: any reason I should stick to XP?
Another side question: any reason I should prefer paralells to bootcamp?

Again, I will be running editors not real time audio...

Antony Hequet


--0-1466629177-1285221683=:16075-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 06:58:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 993EB3BE87; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 06:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #39505143 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18e9UBEBGMeibWC2/dk97HgPFQ82nXmzKt+JOutqA 9cvzXgDWKAbnbO Message-ID: <4C9AFAB0.1040309@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:58:56 +0200 From: Nadia Salom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: site specific looping References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> <8E3FF3EC-DD90-4E35-8C6A-55706CD6D0F7@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <8E3FF3EC-DD90-4E35-8C6A-55706CD6D0F7@charter.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030904050008090201040403" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 06:58:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030904050008090201040403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Ted, It looks like their are so many stories to find up there, but all it was, was a dusty loft with boxes of old bills. thx for the comment. Nadia Am 23.09.10 03:39, schrieb tEd ® KiLLiAn: > Nadia, > > The one in the attic was quite haunting. > > Thanks for sharing. > > Ted > > On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Nadia Salom wrote: > >> dear loopers, >> >> lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations >> and I find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. >> just wanted to know if others are also working with site specific >> performance work. >> >> here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing >> looping technique): >> http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64 >> >> >> direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM >> >> another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc >> >> would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example >> i love old staircases or torn down buildings... >> >> ciao >> Nadia >> >> -- >> http://www.nirmala07.net > > -- http://www.nirmala07.net --------------030904050008090201040403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Ted, It looks like their are so many stories to find up there, but all it was, was a dusty loft with boxes of old bills.

thx for the comment.

Nadia


Am 23.09.10 03:39, schrieb tEd ® KiLLiAn:
Nadia,

The one in the attic was quite haunting.

Thanks for sharing.

Ted

On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Nadia Salom wrote:

dear loopers,

lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations and I find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. just wanted to know if others are also working with site specific performance work.

here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing looping technique):
http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64

direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM

another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc

would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example i love old staircases or torn down buildings...

ciao
Nadia

-- 
http://www.nirmala07.net




--

http://www.nirmala07.net

--------------030904050008090201040403-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 07:28:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB6133BE89; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ba61f268-00b3-4119-b052-f362f390110e_" X-Originating-IP: [86.140.182.144] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: For Your Listening Enjoyment Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:28:32 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000601cb5ac8$10c13e50$537e3447@tbl01fcf9be917> References: <9390B9B4-9813-467A-9383-788166583F2A@charter.net>,<000601cb5ac8$10c13e50$537e3447@tbl01fcf9be917> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2010 07:28:32.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED001E90:01CB5AF0] Resent-Message-ID: <6eJ0cD.A.ocF.iGwmMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:28:34 +0000 (UTC) --_ba61f268-00b3-4119-b052-f362f390110e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep me too - really enjoyed this - gonna listen to it on a decent sound sys= tem later- any more material there Kevin? Peace Gareth > From: jeff_d@embarqmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: For Your Listening Enjoyment > Date: Wed=2C 22 Sep 2010 22:36:02 -0400 >=20 > Kevin let me chime in also=2C I really enjoyed that for my surfing the ne= t=20 > tunes=2C thanks! >=20 > J >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "tEd =AE KiLLiAn" > To: > Sent: Wednesday=2C September 22=2C 2010 9:42 PM > Subject: Re: For Your Listening Enjoyment >=20 >=20 > > I'm enjoying this too. > > > > Been a bit late getting to my email lately. > > > > Fun stuff Kevin. > > > > On Sep 21=2C 2010=2C at 3:50 PM=2C Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > > >> If you're looking for some appropriately atmospheric and diffuse > >> listening here is an hour and a half of such a thing I performed on > >> the radio last week > >> > >> http://soundcloud.com/billowhead/bge-khsu-pt-1 > >> http://soundcloud.com/billowhead/bge-khsu-pt-2 > >> > >> There is looping in there somewhere. > >> > >> Enjoy=2C > >> > >> Kevin > >> > >> -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to=20 > >> have a > >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all=20 > >> trouble. > >> > >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > >> > >> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > >=20 >=20 = --_ba61f268-00b3-4119-b052-f362f390110e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep me too - really enjoyed this - gonna listen to it on a decent sound sys= tem later- any more material there Kevin?

Peace

Gareth

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>=3B Subject: Re: For Your Listening Enjoyment
>= =3B Date: Wed=2C 22 Sep 2010 22:36:02 -0400
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>=3B Kevin let = me chime in also=2C I really enjoyed that for my surfing the net
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= --_ba61f268-00b3-4119-b052-f362f390110e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 08:36:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1C733BE84; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Bl1RzGtIrAZTG0bl7Vx6NlX70ccQMDvqVHdCnwTyjEI=; b=qw9jU/fBIZCffhG4WCWjVpp5j12BekmxpEDah5NFtbYnK/koQzLHcPFUczzyVHOCWe rfEexT33cf8JRCaUxjDL3GT15MLqO3mDnUfGnvXtRVPeTy/1OulH0Yb/RA8jD8QJfbtx DHbzsaeon9FJEG1bCGXdUqy8YHZnjp22gt8jg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=eUk9lyN9uE6N87mDLE5vvL4v4m6Cj/ey/QAGkuYSg98Xr/2Rso8QoSDtv6e8Bc5muA xd8CqLscW3xuTTnS3kvexDba0b6+Hf+8+aOt4lSzc/d7xe65mjaDpEF87+uiCdo6WB3d GTtfnb58Yw95h760CJCrYNdy553SE25sf2MKo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:36:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6ab720d81610490e92a0e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:36:54 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6ab720d81610490e92a0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes, global is the one. try again with the new os and see if it's more stable. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:16 AM, james fowler wrote: > i've tried both but let me experiment again. a lot of my testing was done > prior to updating the os...and it's all kinda running together. i know > global is what i want, but shouldn't program be overridden if the machine > sees a new tempo? manual isn't quite clear enough... > > - jim > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Simeon Harris < > simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> do you have tempo set to global, rather than preset? >> >> obvious question i know, but i had to ask... >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:12 PM, james fowler wrote: >> >>> i don't think i have a clock issue. the actual tempo is spot-on (as >>> indicated by the "tap" led) and programs like loop10 lock on and stay right >>> with the sequencer. same thing in the particular patch i'm struggling with >>> "multishift 2". the tempo is fine but t_rate when set to 1/2 notes is all >>> over the place. >>> >>> - jim >>> >>> >>> >> > --000e0cd6ab720d81610490e92a0e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes, global is the one. try again with the new os and see if it's more = stable.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:16 AM,= james fowler <= twostroke@gmail.com> wrote:
i've tried bo= th but let me experiment again.=A0 a lot of my testing was done prior to up= dating the os...and it's all kinda running together.=A0 i know global i= s what i want, but shouldn't program be overridden if the machine sees = a new tempo?=A0 manual isn't quite clear enough...

- jim

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:04 A= M, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com>= wrote:
do you have tempo set to global, rather than preset?

obvious questio= n i know, but i had to ask...


On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:12 PM, james fowler &= lt;twostroke@gmail= .com> wrote:
i don't think= i have a clock issue.=A0 the actual tempo is spot-on (as indicated by the = "tap" led) and programs like loop10 lock on and stay right with t= he sequencer.=A0 same thing in the particular patch i'm struggling with= "multishift 2".=A0 the tempo is fine but t_rate when set to 1/2 = notes is all over the place.=A0

- jim





--000e0cd6ab720d81610490e92a0e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 11:09:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 586F53BE8A; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3jHn8Hh6xM5oWM56yh2BvBefH9/21wtNjKpdKdpzGgc=; b=bXrC3UxfxSrS6K04ptpY6BFFpQ54/JR/BUSGtzaffhTuxHjmm6B6uGvEH12IG0ph+q AWX+JRZIBX6nUdaoEW2SBYRAbtTKpSo3s45vxcsZgotajQt4jhtL5EydXNMFdNX+r257 J3xhV76w0mxrjg9ZBvnrHWiWQ0/LBvI+wRAIc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=FpXIPpceYxsBKiHg/wrrdmO1yJuOhsUkZtY4wD9N+VZPp3TYPnEJEI1cwTSM7Q8jxV sI7wFqpQur/fJtyS8Eyxw+zpM6gLJiQ8zOJdrfCTy1og8iZfR0me0gLXf972J5zZO3k/ +C5KDKmeb8ZUBuGbLmRhzpPyF66j3ni1xKPFM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:09:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Unexpected - Boysen-Anile collaborative album From: Fabio_A To: "" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d447ef1566a60490eb4b64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:09:25 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d447ef1566a60490eb4b64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi people, this is to annouce the release of an improvisational collaborative album Pe= r and I have just released. The album *"Unexpected"* is a live recording of a musical duo improvisation session that took place in Rome on June 5 2009. Fabio Anile plays the Piano and the Synthesizer and Per Boysen plays the Alto Flute and the EWI (Electric Wind Instrument). Both musicians simultaneously play also interactive electronics, particularly utilizing the technique known as Live Looping. Exceptions are the two bonus tracks that were recorded later as a studio based long distance collaboration: Counterpoint (4) where Per plays the Chapman Stick and Bird=92s View (7) where Per plays the Electric Guitar while Fabio doubles on the Cajon and the Thelevi. http://www.perboysen-fabioanile.bandcamp.com/ http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/boysenanile http://itunes.apple.com/se/artist/per-boysen-fabio-anile/id392881853 Hope you'll enjoy listening to it ! -f www.eterogeneo.com --0016e6d447ef1566a60490eb4b64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi people,
this is to=A0annouce the release of an improvisational collaborative= =A0album Per and=A0I have just released.
=A0
The album "Unexpected" is a live recording of a mus= ical duo
improvisation session that took place in Rome on June 5=A0 2009= . Fabio
Anile plays the Piano and the Synthesizer and Per Boysen plays t= he
Alto Flute and the EWI (Electric Wind Instrument). Both musicians
simult= aneously play also interactive electronics, particularly
utilizing the t= echnique known as Live Looping. Exceptions are the two
bonus tracks that= were recorded later as a studio based long distance
collaboration: Counterpoint (4) where Per plays the Chapman Stick and
Bi= rd=92s View (7) where Per plays the Electric Guitar while Fabio
doubles = on the Cajon and the Thelevi.
=A0
=A0
Hope you'll enjoy listening to it !
=A0
-f
--0016e6d447ef1566a60490eb4b64-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 13:48:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FAB03BE8A; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=egYeheA+dFHRG7Talm+GpxA/CVFQs6T1bz2G0f77eDA=; b=QVs1aZhpo19CbU0xJYa5mj17wZoEG1pyRKuSwRRAVO+NFypxVJnT6UcWrDn7rT3jMc SSW7vThex9ysjhKKoTVjnn1YMWe1SYB7DUCc4luynvLKmgww79obaNE38jTzjcDbgkHm 1sMKNBc1nc9NZj54QEPPrGyAS7aaMA/j34XDw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gHeuMjlcEMpwbiXEwVCRDwZ+dBFjiUvaoq5JsMdYdFMiTKgu/vgMH+VfsserK9qQTy x/O2qPvEjFtKrTg1d1wVCnrhyicbnJHbl8C0dk5rUez4f59He1ekGw2MgG0VL+4y0UGM d42oByLCOH4JE/r4Cvg+GBFzaqRqeXgJy+CSU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C8B7106.6020704@googlemail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714015BC03034A7@barq.sailpoint.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:48:52 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cf83cbda7db0490ed85b4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:48:53 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cf83cbda7db0490ed85b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great news guys!!!!! On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > When it is done. It is a team effort though so hopefully it will be don= e > sooner than if one person did it. > > --Bob Amstadt > > On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Fabio_A wrote: > > That's an exciting new ! > Anything to say about when it will be available ? > > -fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > 2010/9/22 Matthias Grob > >> friends, >> I have not been present here because I work day and night exactly to >> achieve this! >> The past years, I translated the EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop VST plugin >> in C++ >> and the past months, with great help from Bob Amstadt, I adapt this >> software to run on a little Linux processor >> as Jeff suspects, its pretty crazy and takes a lot of rewrite, but it >> seems I will manage to maintain the core with the essencial typical >> functions that make it all work the same, so all those musicians who >> composed on the EDP or Mobius for years can seamlessly continue playing = with >> the Evoloop rack unit - with next to no audio latency (yes, its not like >> running a plugin on Linux, Bob is much smarter! :-) >> >> back to work >> Matthias >> >> >> On 11 Sep 2010, at 13:41, Jeff Larson wrote: >> >> > >> >> Price is =80295...sooo, anyone interested in doing a Mobius port onto >> this >> >> one? Jeff? ;) >> > >> > I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me >> > boils down to the operating system. Besides the big things like how >> > you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also >> > designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file >> > system. >> > >> > It wouldn't really be a port, it would be a 25% to 50% rewrite. If I >> > did this it wouldn't be Mobius as we know it today, it would have to >> > be much more limited. >> > >> > At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac >> > versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. >> > >> > Sorry, >> > Jeff >> >> > --=20 Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Verizon.net TheWeg@GMail.com --0015175cf83cbda7db0490ed85b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great news guys!!!!!

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Bob Amstadt <bob@amstadt.com&= gt; wrote:
When it is done. =A0It is a team effort though so hopefully it will be= done sooner than if one person did it. =A0

= --Bob Amstadt

On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com> wrote:
That's an exciting new=A0=A0!
Anything to say about when it will be available ?
=A0
-fabio
2010/9/22 Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com>=
friends,
I have not been pres= ent here because I work day and night exactly to achieve this!
The past = years, I translated the EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop VST plugin in C++
and the past months, with great help from Bob Amstadt, I adapt this softwar= e to run on a little Linux processor
as Jeff suspects, its pretty crazy = and takes a lot of rewrite, but it seems I will manage to maintain the core= with the essencial typical functions that make it all work the same, so al= l those musicians who composed on the EDP or Mobius for years can seamlessl= y continue playing with the Evoloop rack unit - with next to no audio laten= cy (yes, its not like running a plugin on Linux, Bob is much smarter! :-)
back to work
Matthias


On 11 Sep 2010, at 13:41, Jeff Lars= on wrote:

>
>> Price is =80295...sooo, anyone interested= in doing a Mobius port onto this
>> one? Jeff? ;)
>
>= I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me > boils down to the operating system. =A0Besides the big things like how=
> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was al= so
> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a f= ile
> system.
>
> It wouldn't really be a port, it would be = a 25% to 50% rewrite. =A0If I
> did this it wouldn't be Mobius as= we know it today, it would have to
> be much more limited.
> > At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen.
>
> Sorr= y,
> Jeff





--
Greg Wegman= n

TheWeg@Verizon.net
TheWeg@GMail.com

--0015175cf83cbda7db0490ed85b4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 15:34:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 665C33BE84; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :content-type:mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=BKzrlNO5P48+6iqi4twt0zy8D8yG7O+DD4HQqODAc3w=; b=bZN8lSlFMaEXXzdGpT0FzTnlGa2ZhBPNE2T8T+tiGIgfPDQD3nUId0eMqRcK3LWB4Q E7W/jX1pSyhxCNjHpPZqE8XKpVLyMC9a2WFHRihTtr+cvjNZQUTdKkP71iI/V9IUZil8 pu4U0G/Z6o+h5iBl+4dlqmsPWUVy7/2kyHbZU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; b=l5N31P0qFKlS5+ihBfYmp5yxXJOmNtAUuzm5xrU5ZKJ8+LW9LC6hPdp3CByMUHY3MO 6dm/x4rzCMBLZk1RhOsKXRhl4JL4HoC6yi/exGxRCwM2qeyCcsgREkFs6PCoMizrY00J iMnciLZY3iJVzH7CHZ8Z/Y4EhTuU+FAQ9kib8= Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--141306848 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: OT: old skool listening Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:34:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:34:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--141306848 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A composer friend of mine who studied with Messiaen sent me this link, he is a big fan of Tyminski and Douglas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24_vRRCvlhg Embarrassingly, I'd never heard of them. I love the intro section with the voice and the dobro. Lovely dobro playing. Overall well mic'd and nicely shot. Thought it might be of interest to some. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego --Apple-Mail-1--141306848 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A composer friend of mine = who studied with Messiaen sent me this link, he is a big fan of =  Tyminski and Douglas:

Embarrassingly= , I'd never heard of them.
I love the intro section with the = voice and the dobro. Lovely dobro playing. Overall well mic'd and nicely = shot.

Thought it might be of interest to = some.

regards

BobC
=


= --Apple-Mail-1--141306848-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 15:42:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CEBE3BE84; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rbHfproEOxOb/dwXxU+iBV+5OEpE9r7oTdjoOdh6XdU=; b=xL+b7Sh8jlN5n+NRRpx8GVhgIRyQ9I7OIO6GenA3MEkVdGhZ8HfBW0id48COYKFsCs tDmDjdtzRKqXkgb+3WdP+qr/5PJAOyv8i2Pj9mmapm0h3waHoEy42QEA9nfsP41ep6/V d3WURLwjx01pwnOVriZFJV+O6BrE5Y/TyY7NA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=RZhnU73kbQd4PP6tHaRKcNlCHO1c+xkrYuoIuu9K7VU52DgQS6Udr2fTDQZsSFK8Ja mEKghdLtlw5wHUTSk/Z0l8tTjqQP0mw2TCC83v7q/MdXm0ureQWHfUtsXtqdwAQCpMV2 IbMl448ILJ22sf24YKsiipZUcyauwYOmFw9PA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:42:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Latest release from N From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:42:09 +0000 (UTC) http://denovali.com/n/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 15:48:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 882F63BE88; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #39505143 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18n1aZMtgQnhUnQujCNgY1nWFz5E3mWEJ4m4bcVWt MKH9mcKG3SVdg+ Message-ID: <4C9B76D6.3040907@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:48:38 +0200 From: Nadia Salom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: old skool listening References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080909050500060201010309" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:48:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080909050500060201010309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yeah--- they're amazing!! Am 23.09.10 17:34, schrieb RP Collier: > A composer friend of mine who studied with Messiaen sent me this link, > he is a big fan of Tyminski and Douglas: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24_vRRCvlhg > > Embarrassingly, I'd never heard of them. > I love the intro section with the voice and the dobro. Lovely dobro > playing. Overall well mic'd and nicely shot. > > Thought it might be of interest to some. > > regards > > BobC > > > http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j > > http://www.youtube.com/user/tynego -- http://www.nirmala07.net --------------080909050500060201010309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yeah--- they're amazing!!

Am 23.09.10 17:34, schrieb RP Collier:
A composer friend of mine who studied with Messiaen sent me this link, he is a big fan of  Tyminski and Douglas:

Embarrassingly, I'd never heard of them.
I love the intro section with the voice and the dobro. Lovely dobro playing. Overall well mic'd and nicely shot.

Thought it might be of interest to some.

regards

BobC




--

http://www.nirmala07.net

--------------080909050500060201010309-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 16:29:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7D433BE89; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6FsHumrHXNhIttjTFrRypqI/DjPXjl/SCHhp3pgl7lY=; b=WVIB+uuZm/aoUdg6qEu0qV6IawVy42ZUirePSHMmYIvQ2l0cgGTyissESXnkGAQ5tb wBZnzcHxAzmhVlNGYkUdzGXi6JMRY6Ei540MeX0Imtf/gNDy6GXFLg20B9ZoTPWhdX+y SzGvbI7l04OdFDZvzGSxyaGb4tw8ljSwyfHTw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=owNi1yO34fqegajZoagdVcsnXx3u5WMaL9S7dWSWcSS6bMvKab2DAiVTInyVPqVjjT WabAfZUJ7WnCD4u3km0pgk7bBsGROib+I+dv+w1O+b4i9AuRlUXz08dBi9kzXUr8Na5y dWxiTBSxObSWfBF/hcILdE6xyytZoz+YZekBY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:29:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: old skool listening From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:29:29 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:34 PM, RP Collier wrote: > A=C2=A0composer friend of mine who studied with Messiaen sent me this lin= k, he is > a big fan of =C2=A0Tyminski and Douglas: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D24_vRRCvlhg What a funny mix of styles! I love it! :-)) I guess this is "made up"; there can't be any existing style like this? I keep hearing echoes from Delta Blues, Country and Irish. "Crossover is the new folk" ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 17:04:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60BCD3BE87; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=9E5xJIVNHiAxhC6PXgBhfHxctZWu2fGcPrZDcD0wxos=; b=tRLJZL7NPuMSRz8CjCWdP5VysC0OWz59FNubhlEQDgimUc5YByET2EsBupIxGDZHB7 JgOo65a+363vkhUrdZYixRYNguR80NA58Zyff+Xiqwwzb+BsywTNGW8k5w4MQv0UYW/Q 2sZy9KxDJzoSS2vDEfcvInxZVMW6M5J7gRkBk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Dv6QkMNXBQBEYovQGs9AwtiZP4qYmFAL55xkqomBgUPuqatdIGbFuRpIP23AGDvVlM 5PF72bEqILI+P2gqV7EE5+gPmyS7O/jBcfJaGVVCU18/j0Y3Gs+HXFQHiIoSNFd36IQ1 N++70WZI2ncewJx+s4kSs1tQMijnPIQS5nkZM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <362C040EEDA643578D5E4EE53DDE9031@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1693320.5316.1285162376391.JavaMail.root@m01> <362C040EEDA643578D5E4EE53DDE9031@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:04:11 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) From: Louie Angulo To: Kris Hartung Cc: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502bc3443afe50490f04054 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:04:13 +0000 (UTC) --00504502bc3443afe50490f04054 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable interesting topic gang! I can share only my experience here in Southern Germany iafter living in th= e U.S.,now im comparing a beautiful part of germany which is quite touristy and people for the most part have a higher standard of living than the rest of the country (that is Baden W=FCrttenberg and Bayern) i find audiences very appreciative of what you do and very loyal,that goes to people you work for,if they like you they will always hire you.The treatment towards artists and musicians is wonderful,you always get a table reserved and you food and drink in unlimited and there isnt any restriction= s that say"for musicians only" in the menus;-) For me Germany is a great consumer of music and art and is a great place to live if u happen to be a musician or an artist.Though not neccesarily with the best or most creative music scene currently. On the other hand clapping and cheering until you are done playing is perhaps also cultural and has to do with the way people in such countries are brought up.So it might not neccesarily have to do with listening.I thin= k it might have a lot of times to do more with politness,as my Japanese siste= r in law has told me;-) In switzerland for example sometimes they wont even clap or cheer too much if they dont feel like it,but it does not mean they dont like it or enjoyed it.Ive been in such situations and thought that i had done crap and then they came and said how much they enjoyed it and how good the show was;-) Also in a lot of such developed countries "loudness and noise" is a big deal.dont know why but It might have to do with demographics..asia and europe and their developed countires are the two regions facing severe population aging.There are so many rules and restrictions and intolerance towards loudness and noise especially for the younger that i think it has a= n effect on how people behave. In fact i was just watching yesterday a documentary about a German girl who= s moved permanently in Buenos Aires Argentina,one of the toughest to live but most creative artistically cities today,where lots of artists from other countries are lately going for inspiration. When asked why she moved there from Berlin she said "with all the dirt,toughness,loudness and noise is the power and energy not only within musicians and artists but from the audiences that ive become drawn to and addicted to".Ive always been atracted and found the music where conditions are tougher very creative. (Nevertheless im very happy to be here;-) And i also agree Belgium has an awesome audience!! cheers Luis On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Kris Hartung wro= te: > That's it...I'm moving to Europe! And I'm going to live right next to > where they brew Rochefort in Belgium. :) > > Kris > > --00504502bc3443afe50490f04054 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable interesting topic gang!
I can share only my experience here in Southern = Germany iafter living in the U.S.,now im comparing a beautiful part of germ= any which is quite touristy and people for the most part have a higher stan= dard of living than the rest of the country (that is Baden W=FCrttenberg an= d Bayern)
i find audiences very appreciative of what you do and very loyal,that goes = to people you work for,if they like you they will always hire you.The treat= ment towards artists and musicians is wonderful,you always get a table rese= rved and you food and drink in unlimited and there isnt any restrictions th= at say"for musicians only" in the menus;-)
For me Germany is a great consumer of music and art and is a great place to= live if u happen to be a musician or an artist.Though not neccesarily with= the best or most creative music scene currently.
On the other hand clap= ping and cheering until you are done playing is perhaps also cultural and h= as to do with the way people in such countries are brought up.So it might n= ot neccesarily have to do with listening.I think it might have a lot of tim= es to do more with politness,as my Japanese sister in law has told me;-) In switzerland for example sometimes they wont even clap or cheer too much = if they dont feel like it,but it does not mean they dont like it or enjoyed= it.Ive been in such situations and thought that i had done crap and then t= hey came and said how much they enjoyed it and how good the show was;-)
Also in a lot of such developed countries "loudness and noise" is= a big deal.dont know why but It might have to do with demographics..asia a= nd europe and their developed countires are the two regions facing severe p= opulation aging.There are so many rules and restrictions and intolerance to= wards loudness and noise especially for the younger that i think it has an = effect on how people behave.
In fact i was just watching yesterday a documentary about a German girl who= s moved permanently in Buenos Aires Argentina,one of the toughest to live b= ut most creative artistically cities today,where lots of artists from other= countries are lately going for inspiration.
When asked why she moved there from Berlin she said "with all the dirt= ,toughness,loudness and noise is the power and energy not only within music= ians and artists but from the audiences that ive become drawn to and addict= ed to".Ive always been atracted and found the music where conditions a= re tougher very creative.
(Nevertheless im very happy to be here;-)
And i also agree Belgium has a= n awesome audience!!
cheers
Luis




On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Kris Hartung &= lt;krispenhartung@gmail.com= > wrote:
That's it...I'm moving to Euro= pe!=A0 And I'm=20 going to live right next to where they brew Rochefort in Belgium.=A0=20 :)=A0

Kris
=A0

--00504502bc3443afe50490f04054-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 17:25:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1956A3BE89; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:25:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C9B8D7A.6020203@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:25:14 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4O_DqC.A.V6.914mMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:25:18 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Modulator ESP. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Silent Running" by Modulator ESP. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2010/focus.html#sep You will also hear music from The Tangent Project who will play at the Soundscapes Concert Series on Sunday, October 10, 8 pm at the Nazareth Center for the Arts. Vic Rek will stop by to talk about the Ricochet Gathering in Berlin and to play some new releases from the Ricochet Dream label. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 18:16:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F3353BE84; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Prk2QwR1XRiopkP5/epRL9uDOB7ZEIqGwvat9mHLU84=; b=kX153SLPm9/iBvqVxDA19UuMuC/nDBDh9G9TGUxWGRdLmR9SMq6FD2Y8cvhAjj0eeC OzSFah3QYixi8kPPoJ/rcpLcHVhk0h3Om6ivHj36eYtSMw59h+u9LFvf0buHs8JED7TF fwPHnzQb+fXM+SvMOCO+nvpcgoffE2Bspay74= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=nlUXPu3gTmxWCOuFAwjDiZGAPAEHx2CZLwniJ5bqsnk7iRCDrPf9iCylMo1Vj1TFwi ZC8poW3EEY1V5GenJfjNHJwZB4OCedgoBmlPp3mZuinMhPBef9Y6FvlTmxBCEGO3w0HV G5UbspuzNMHs4V1xaa18jvDzsHXS44v14+FfE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:15:41 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hnZj251X8neglpQcaz1rAJANJSM Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: old skool listening To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e648b04c4424aa0490f14159 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:16:03 +0000 (UTC) --0016e648b04c4424aa0490f14159 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for posting this, interesting that you think this is a crossover Per, in a way I hear you, and certainly the slide guitar sounds seems from somewhere else, but when I was watching this it reminded me so much of many of the reels and hornpipes that we would hear as children in the south west of England. Ive never thought of it before, as Irish music is so.. er Irish.. but Im wondering whether my view of Irish is defined by The Pogues and the Titanic soundtrack only (insert any celtic-esque film/sound-scape here). Does any one know? Maybe there is an underlying root from English Reels (could be Scottish maybe in origin) that crossed the water with the Irish sea workers (the Irish were for centuries the "workers" of the British Isles and built most of the trains/ships and buildings) and merge with country and blues? What of Bluegrass, hasnt that got a simerlar er.. tempo (out of depth here...) The somewhat country voice that the singer has (is that Tyminski) could easily be replaced with a dulcit West-country drawl from England, and be a very typical "country reel". I was often at barn dances as a kid, ( I even played in a Barn Dance Band once... The Scarecrows ha ha!) and this music really seems to have sunk in.... only to be squashed by Rock later in life... weird... something came back to me... have to check this out a bit... thanks for posting... hairs on back of neck standing to attention... Mark On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:34 PM, RP Collier > wrote: > > A composer friend of mine who studied with Messiaen sent me this link, he > is > > a big fan of Tyminski and Douglas: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24_vRRCvlhg > > > What a funny mix of styles! I love it! :-)) I guess this is "made > up"; there can't be any existing style like this? I keep hearing > echoes from Delta Blues, Country and Irish. "Crossover is the new > folk" ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0016e648b04c4424aa0490f14159 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for posting this, interesting that you think this is a crossover Per= , in a way I hear you, and certainly the slide guitar sounds seems from som= ewhere else, but when I was watching this it reminded me so much of many of= the reels and hornpipes that we would hear as children in the south west o= f England. Ive never thought of it before, as Irish music is so.. er Irish.= . but Im wondering whether my view of Irish is defined by The Pogues and th= e Titanic soundtrack only (insert any celtic-esque film/sound-scape here).<= br>
Does any one know? Maybe there is an underlying root from English Reels= (could be Scottish maybe in origin) that crossed the water with the Irish = sea workers (the Irish were for centuries the "workers" of the Br= itish Isles and built most of the trains/ships and buildings) and merge wit= h country and blues? What of Bluegrass, hasnt that got a simerlar er.. temp= o (out of depth here...)

The somewhat country voice that the singer has (is that Tyminski) could= easily be replaced with a dulcit West-country drawl from England, and be a= very typical "country reel". I was often at barn dances as a kid= , ( I even played in a Barn Dance Band once... The Scarecrows ha ha!) and t= his music really seems to have sunk in.... only to be squashed by Rock late= r in life...

weird... something came back to me... have to check this out a bit...
thanks for posting... hairs on back of neck standing to attention... =

Mark



On Thu, Sep 23, 2010= at 6:29 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:34 PM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:
> A=A0composer friend of mine who studied with Messiaen sent me this lin= k, he is
> a big fan of =A0Tyminski and Douglas:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D24_vRRCvlhg


What a funny mix of styles! I love it! :-)) =A0I guess this is "= made
up"; there can't be any existing style like this? I keep hearing echoes from Delta Blues, Country and Irish. =A0"Crossover is the new folk" ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub




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mark francombewww.markfrancombe.com
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--0016e648b04c4424aa0490f14159-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 18:29:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 551DF3BE8A; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <022D9A61F85A4567B90061DFBD8DE761@ELUK1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: OT: old skool listening Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:29:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB5B55.AF9338C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Resent-Message-ID: <8hJMIB.A.hSC.gy5mMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:29:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB5B55.AF9338C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ?Wiki isn't complete on this one, of course, but despite the Irish claim = to be such a 'musical people', slide guitar wasn't brought over from = Ireland. Slide guitar is traceable on many accounts to one-stringed = African instruments, and emerged in the US as far back as 1900 (as far = as academia is concerned). While there's little doubt that at times = white folks have filtered things in their own way, most likely we're = talking about violin/fiddle work when it comes to the = drifting/stretching fingering. From: mark francombe=20 Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: OT: old skool listening Thanks for posting this, interesting that you think this is a crossover = Per, in a way I hear you, and certainly the slide guitar sounds seems = from somewhere else, but when I was watching this it reminded me so much = of many of the reels and hornpipes that we would hear as children in the = south west of England. Ive never thought of it before, as Irish music is = so.. er Irish.. but Im wondering whether my view of Irish is defined by = The Pogues and the Titanic soundtrack only (insert any celtic-esque = film/sound-scape here). Does any one know? Maybe there is an underlying root from English Reels = (could be Scottish maybe in origin) that crossed the water with the = Irish sea workers (the Irish were for centuries the "workers" of the = British Isles and built most of the trains/ships and buildings) and = merge with country and blues? What of Bluegrass, hasnt that got a = simerlar er.. tempo (out of depth here...) The somewhat country voice that the singer has (is that Tyminski) could = easily be replaced with a dulcit West-country drawl from England, and be = a very typical "country reel". I was often at barn dances as a kid, ( I = even played in a Barn Dance Band once... The Scarecrows ha ha!) and this = music really seems to have sunk in.... only to be squashed by Rock later = in life... weird... something came back to me... have to check this out a bit... thanks for posting... hairs on back of neck standing to attention...=20 Mark On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Per Boysen wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:34 PM, RP Collier = wrote: > A composer friend of mine who studied with Messiaen sent me this = link, he is > a big fan of Tyminski and Douglas: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D24_vRRCvlhg What a funny mix of styles! I love it! :-)) I guess this is "made up"; there can't be any existing style like this? I keep hearing echoes from Delta Blues, Country and Irish. "Crossover is the new folk" ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB5B55.AF9338C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wiki isn't complete on this one, of course, = but despite=20 the Irish claim to be such a 'musical people', slide guitar wasn't = brought over=20 from Ireland.  Slide guitar is traceable on many accounts to = one-stringed=20 African instruments, and emerged in the US as far back as 1900 (as far = as=20 academia is concerned).  While there's little doubt that at times = white=20 folks have filtered things in their own way, most likely we're talking = about=20 violin/fiddle work when it comes to the drifting/stretching=20 fingering.

Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: OT: old skool listening

Thanks for posting this, interesting that you think this = is a=20 crossover Per, in a way I hear you, and certainly the slide guitar = sounds seems=20 from somewhere else, but when I was watching this it reminded me so much = of many=20 of the reels and hornpipes that we would hear as children in the south = west of=20 England. Ive never thought of it before, as Irish music is so.. er = Irish.. but=20 Im wondering whether my view of Irish is defined by The Pogues and the = Titanic=20 soundtrack only (insert any celtic-esque film/sound-scape = here).

Does any=20 one know? Maybe there is an underlying root from English Reels (could be = Scottish maybe in origin) that crossed the water with the Irish sea = workers (the=20 Irish were for centuries the "workers" of the British Isles and built = most of=20 the trains/ships and buildings) and merge with country and blues? What = of=20 Bluegrass, hasnt that got a simerlar er.. tempo (out of depth=20 here...)

The somewhat country voice that the singer has (is that=20 Tyminski) could easily be replaced with a dulcit West-country drawl from = England, and be a very typical "country reel". I was often at barn = dances as a=20 kid, ( I even played in a Barn Dance Band once... The Scarecrows ha ha!) = and=20 this music really seems to have sunk in.... only to be squashed by Rock = later in=20 life...

weird... something came back to me... have to check this = out a=20 bit...

thanks for posting... hairs on back of neck standing to=20 attention...

Mark



On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Per Boysen = <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:34 PM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com>=20 wrote:
> A composer friend of mine who studied with = Messiaen sent=20 me this link, he is
> a big fan of  Tyminski and = Douglas:
>=20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D24_vRRCvlhg

<= BR>
What=20 a funny mix of styles! I love it! :-))  I guess this is = "made
up";=20 there can't be any existing style like this? I keep hearing
echoes = from=20 Delta Blues, Country and Irish.  "Crossover is the new
folk"=20 ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet=20 music hub




-- =
mark=20 francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter=20 @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
<= A=20 href=3D"http://www.looop.no">http://www.looop.no
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CB5B55.AF9338C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 20:31:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 242843BE8A; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 498207540/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.181.229/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.181.229 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIBAGxWm0xV0rXl/2dsb2JhbAAHlDjXF4VCBI0s X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,225,1283727600"; d="scan'208";a="498207540" Message-ID: <4C9BB91A.5060806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:31:22 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: old skool listening References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0ZdeOB.A.aFF.bk7mMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:31:24 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > > Does any one know? I'm always looking out for info about the history of what we might call "ethnic musics", but I never came across much on this topic. To be fair though, I tend to think that grandfather Butler left Eire in order to escape the music, it's a genre I've never been drawn to. (in other words, no I don't know, just have some related ideas) > Maybe there is an underlying root from English Reels > (could be Scottish maybe in origin) that crossed the water with the > Irish sea workers Listening to the Irish jigs and reels I wonder if they've been re-constituted from sheet music at some time in their development. Aural traditions around the world tend to have rhythms that approach the the strong beat rather than follow it, and I reckon a lot of those jigs/reels would sound better if played in that way. Stephen Goodman wrote: > Slide guitar is traceable on many accounts to one-stringed > African instruments, I'd guess it would be ultimately traceable to the music bow, I'd be interested to hear (or hear about) any African instrument that had a slide. Presumably a Berimbau type instrument would be the missing link. There's certainly the Asian instruments, the most refined being the gotuvadyam vina. 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--0-168541331-1285274035=:80993-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 21:31:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A15F03BE84; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:31:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1845 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:31:06 UTC X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.10 X-EN-IMPSID: AM0L1f00G0D2B7u0000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:00:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Totally Fun Sounds - Looped Samples In-Reply-To: <635863.80993.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <635863.80993.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 8a678e7a1842afbad60fe446da7a5956:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog@creepingfog.com Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 76.14.77.15 X-EN-OrigHost: unknown Message-Id: <20100923213106.5F62C3BE7E@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:31:06 +0000 (UTC) Skinny Puppy! Nice work - makes me want to go back and do high school at HTH. At 2010.09.23 01:33 PM, margaret noble wrote: >Sampled horror films, 12th grade students: > > >http://margaretnoble.net/educator/copy-right-violation-volume-4/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 23 23:29:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5CBF3BE84; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4C9B76D6.3040907@gmx.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: OT: old skool listening Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:29:22 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 141.151.136.167 In-Reply-To: <4C9B76D6.3040907@gmx.de> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32679-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD298E49A040FE-1224-75FC@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:29:42 +0000 (UTC) made me want to go out and tip a cow.....love it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 00:18:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFAF73BE89; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 00:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2JknEPYFQIpQFTAxIe0c2sqs8AeP75NzMacNP9di4ic=; b=ZsT/OcpkNXgHuAbpRFfrWAHxPbhbJUdNYCSY4tmyqUOG7GCqIXepfyY5KNJBd/loZa Jyd2+5+vCrELLGPXTMhps33pkXj4oWMds2j9XMzLE2rhf3j7SDe1PIkx78rEERnz6eYE EL9bYur/ZpmLe6EFJt91Y5VT6pzV0u8lUvxc8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lcCDu8Mcf0KGCSE5SmEWqDJtBnttbUocN+djnbvgLTltk07gZsGxq1bqjB2AQGECfl E0i5vfPgLZvVk9oE4lkMvGWuP+lTYdZcEgT3zuk5tamU2YBHz0493hj+9Zc3wUXVTEzk 3KxSIv44E12eKFXGq4yplzUCHu1hvvYdAILME= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:18:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6b17ead727c0490f650d4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 00:18:17 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6b17ead727c0490f650d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 nope, still sucks. here's something bizarre that i've noticed...perhaps significant, perhaps not. tempo is staying locked no problem. when the sequencer is not running then the modulation stays locked to the tempo and all is well and the eventide is doing exactly what i expect it to do. as soon as i hit play on the sequencer and start feeding the eventide midiclock, that's when shit gets outta sync. if i stop the sequencer then the eventide adjusts the modulation to re-align with the tempo. so, it would appear that *something*about constant midiclock input is causing the problem. i dunno. furthermore, increasing "retrig" to 10.0 cycles (range 0.0 - 10.0) slows the inevitable drift. funny, the manual states this is in percentages but the machine is in "cycles". maybe this changes per preset...i've not looked. - jim On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:36 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > yes, global is the one. try again with the new os and see if it's more > stable. > > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:16 AM, james fowler wrote: > >> i've tried both but let me experiment again. a lot of my testing was done >> prior to updating the os...and it's all kinda running together. i know >> global is what i want, but shouldn't program be overridden if the machine >> sees a new tempo? manual isn't quite clear enough... >> >> - jim >> >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Simeon Harris < >> simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> do you have tempo set to global, rather than preset? >>> >>> obvious question i know, but i had to ask... >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:12 PM, james fowler wrote: >>> >>>> i don't think i have a clock issue. the actual tempo is spot-on (as >>>> indicated by the "tap" led) and programs like loop10 lock on and stay right >>>> with the sequencer. same thing in the particular patch i'm struggling with >>>> "multishift 2". the tempo is fine but t_rate when set to 1/2 notes is all >>>> over the place. >>>> >>>> - jim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --000e0cd6b17ead727c0490f650d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nope, still sucks.=A0 here's something bizarre that i've noticed...= perhaps significant, perhaps not.

tempo is staying locked no problem= .=A0 when the sequencer is not running then the modulation stays locked to = the tempo and all is well and the eventide is doing exactly what i expect i= t to do.=A0 as soon as i hit play on the sequencer and start feeding the ev= entide midiclock, that's when shit gets outta sync.=A0 if i stop the se= quencer then the eventide adjusts the modulation to re-align with the tempo= .=A0 so, it would appear that something about constant midiclock inp= ut is causing the problem.=A0 i dunno.=A0

furthermore, increasing "retrig" to 10.0 cycles (range 0.0 - = 10.0) slows the inevitable drift.=A0 funny, the manual states this is in pe= rcentages but the machine is in "cycles".=A0 maybe this changes p= er preset...i've not looked.=A0

- jim


On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:3= 6 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
yes, global is the one. try again with the new os and see if it's more = stable.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:16 AM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com= > wrote:
i've tried bo= th but let me experiment again.=A0 a lot of my testing was done prior to up= dating the os...and it's all kinda running together.=A0 i know global i= s what i want, but shouldn't program be overridden if the machine sees = a new tempo?=A0 manual isn't quite clear enough...

- jim

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:04 A= M, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com>= wrote:
do you have tempo set to global, rather than preset?

obvious questio= n i know, but i had to ask...


On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:12 PM, james fowler &= lt;twostroke@gmail= .com> wrote:
i don't think= i have a clock issue.=A0 the actual tempo is spot-on (as indicated by the = "tap" led) and programs like loop10 lock on and stay right with t= he sequencer.=A0 same thing in the particular patch i'm struggling with= "multishift 2".=A0 the tempo is fine but t_rate when set to 1/2 = notes is all over the place.=A0

- jim






--000e0cd6b17ead727c0490f650d4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 04:14:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9010D3BE89; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 04:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1A3F5E48575847238DAA021128930610@office> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> Subject: Boomerang III New Software is released! Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 00:14:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 04:14:05 +0000 (UTC) I just came home to an email from Mike N. with the Boomerang v.2 softwre attached. He included the new manual in Word format, too. V.2 allows free, non-synched simultaneous loops, among other nice goodies. You have to play a midi file into it in order to update it (there are no midi events... just sysex data). 30 seconds later, voila! A brand-new Boomerang. I tried to program it with Sonar 8.5 Producer through my midi ports on my Audigy ZS Platinum (I know...), and no joy no matter how I configured things. Then I downloaded "Sweet Midi Player 32" (recommended by Mike), installed it, opened up the file, played it, and as I said, 30 seconds later she was programmed with v.2. I played around with the free, non-synched capabilites very briefly and all seemed well. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 06:03:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A83C13BE88; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HL7vJENSCDiqbmrquo4TI4IaM6oxgZB2g/IlnYz7v1E=; b=UOu7CgmcAjtnkrOmoSHcaaF/hQA3b1V19cmtGbZr4u3/Z5hj+S3vs5eYcvxEmjwjt7 uUZm/fJHB7YZ482ABvmX1psA/F9WOXbGA5+EcesK7htZGb26xYpsX+4a00edp1RExMNu Nv+Wb4Qf6X8z0lboFpUWt+Kzs6GNZdohNWCVA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=LgDNF9HtG6n9R6zcaj+VS6/iIUyk/u1vDFdYSlevaUXiFnB9jpyfMSWEfJZ/U4TQDy jjAYXEyl8LPSvr+rwhot0owlqc4zd4LsIIE8tMS/Wy9Kf9xbtUZkDr1re+1aOM4LI9Gj +6bKZkFk8720Low6RxT98HtG9AQCTginD2mjA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1A3F5E48575847238DAA021128930610@office> References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> <1A3F5E48575847238DAA021128930610@office> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:03:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boomerang III New Software is released! From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016362837308ee1730490fb229c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:03:18 +0000 (UTC) --0016362837308ee1730490fb229c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 wow sounds exciting give us review of the new software when you play around with it!! cheers Luis On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:14 AM, Brian Carabee wrote: > I just came home to an email from Mike N. with the Boomerang v.2 softwre > attached. He included the new manual in Word format, too. > > V.2 allows free, non-synched simultaneous loops, among other nice goodies. > > You have to play a midi file into it in order to update it (there are no > midi events... just sysex data). 30 seconds later, voila! A brand-new > Boomerang. > > I tried to program it with Sonar 8.5 Producer through my midi ports on my > Audigy ZS Platinum (I know...), and no joy no matter how I configured > things. > > Then I downloaded "Sweet Midi Player 32" (recommended by Mike), installed > it, opened up the file, played it, and as I said, 30 seconds later she was > programmed with v.2. > > I played around with the free, non-synched capabilites very briefly and all > seemed well. > > Brian > --0016362837308ee1730490fb229c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow sounds exciting give us review of the new software when you play around= with it!!
cheers
Luis

On Fri, Sep = 24, 2010 at 6:14 AM, Brian Carabee <compguy2@comcast.net> wrote:
I just came home = to an email from Mike N. with the Boomerang v.2 softwre attached. He includ= ed the new manual in Word format, too.

V.2 allows free, non-synched simultaneous loops, among other nice goodies.<= br>
You have to play a midi file into it in order to update it (there are no mi= di events... just sysex data). 30 seconds later, voila! A brand-new Boomera= ng.

I tried to program it with Sonar 8.5 Producer through my midi ports on my A= udigy ZS Platinum (I know...), and no joy no matter how I configured things= .

Then I downloaded "Sweet Midi Player 32" (recommended by Mike), i= nstalled it, opened up the file, played it, and as I said, 30 seconds later= she was programmed with v.2.

I played around with the free, non-synched capabilites very briefly and all= seemed well.

Brian

--0016362837308ee1730490fb229c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 06:53:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E42EC3BE84; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=K9j+TOOPASTvDuVRtTEfSHmhd29gQTzeG5rI3arYvjo=; b=WLEMtrSd2xlCjM/kG5W/3IoxzJpiOcP/fPhMQBM+9PdTjPoCNrBVWUhXXxB3dAtexS Eyc+2Kme7t3dcah1EBMzhq1+hRvpd+hQUmgIE+NSF+lppUCdjcLGl7hEH2JvDJtq4lwj kFOBKd9hM3JzykPdROI62cmYps7dWISY91njw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=fcX5DRKOhjajZSf7j5tqzWVGsp0St3nHZAGKwkfvTwUsPB4YGSOCiPEd4FJJWgACXO k+d1pqooDAJYan+IjE8heDQZ4dwxw/mVVZoCuohz4o8kagQlEloF2ASZKf3AgVssS35V Lbhf0+0xhG7tI37nGUxTzk3uw1AzrGcuZoiBs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:53:29 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: German audiences (WAS site specific looping) From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d3518619656f0490fbd6b7 Resent-Message-ID: <8dHyg.A.F2H.qrEnMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:53:30 +0000 (UTC) --001636d3518619656f0490fbd6b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mark i hear you;-)) Just to give you an example: I recently got hired to play at a summer party,just playing by myself with acoustic guitar doing some looping etc. i started playing as the sun went down at around 20.45 and by 22.30 the guys that hired me started stressing me out to turn it down as i was playing because of the neighbours.Now im im playing acoustic stuff that many people now with the mixers volume at around 3 for an audience of about 120 outside in an open garden with great beer,wine,food,smell of home grown everywhere,fire,everybody talking in a good mood cheering up and even the church bells ringing...can it really be annoying loud? So i asked the audience if i was being loud and there was a big scream of NOOOOOO!!!! then i asked the guys that hired me if somebody had complained and they said no,but they wanted to avoid it.Then i said as far as i know you are allowed once a year at least in Germany to play and make noise till 24.00hrs. and i know this because i had a birthday party and i had to make sure it was not going to get ruined by some old fart calling the cops on me. So then i stopped playing and went for a beer and people came and said why i had stopped.After explaining they went to the guys and said i should keep playing so then they came back(it was after midnight) and said if i could play more.Then i said but i though it was too loud;-) Another experience in Switzerland:Im playing at a music festival called honky tonk in the middle of Luzern City at a bar with an Irish trio.acoustic bass,acoustic guitar and Cajon.We started at around 20.45 and by around 22.00 there is a guy in front uf us swinging some sort of loundness tester device in front of us.The bar owner runs through the crowd in fornt of the stage in complete panic and screams "turn it down now"!! now is typical here that the atmosphere at 20.00hrs. when you start playing is more like a obituary,but as the audiences get fed their dose of booze i swear to you that the crowd was louder than we were! After the guy with the mesurement device was gone,the bar owner came and apologized to us but said he didnt want to get fined and said now you can turn i t up;-)) Even funnier here is seeing so called "heavy rock bands" playing at perfect CD levels;-)) do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Then again during football season,religious carnavals like "fast nacht",summer festivals,church bells,october fest festivals,wine festivals and everything else that is organized by big agencies is not a problem..i ask myself are people being pre conditioned? moral of the story: this just aint no place for rock n roll man;-)) On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:34 AM, mark francombe wrote: > One slightly controversial comment I have after watching these clips of > Nadia again, that brings back the fear into me.. is... (donning fire > retardant spider-man costume) What is with these German audiances? Nadia has > almost packed up and gone home and put her feet up in front of the fire with > a good book, before they start to react? Are they crazy, or maybe stunned? > > (Actually THIS is the controversial comment) When I used to play in > germany, We often got this reaction, absolute silence during songs, minimal > applause inbetween.. till the end, then.. after we had left the stage and > thinking "God, they hated us", they would go CRAZY demanding 3 or 4 > encores.. What is that...? > It would put me in a bad mood during the show and had NO idea that they > were enjoying it? > > Is this normal, directed at the german LDer,s Rainer etc? > > I think manly it because germans really listen, and listen hard (I think > Stockhausen said this at a lecture I attended - is he German? I think so.. > that the rest of Europe has to learn to listen!!!) and as such, maybe they > are more absorbed, and it takes some time to snap out of it? > > If thats it, then its a compliment I guess.. still very off-putting. (and > before anyone jumps at me for being generalistic, or god forbid, rascist.. > Im just reporting what I promise was the case for me... never saw it > anywhere else - except perhaps one strange gig in Scotland, on April fools > day, when the audience played a trick on us by NEVER applauding once.. ha > ha! very fucking funny... > > Mark > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > --001636d3518619656f0490fbd6b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark i hear you;-))
Just to give you an example: I recently got hired to= play at a summer party,just playing by myself with acoustic guitar doing s= ome looping etc. i started playing as the sun went down at around 20.45 and= by 22.30 the guys that hired me started stressing me out to turn it down a= s i was playing because of the neighbours.Now im im playing acoustic stuff = that many people now with the mixers volume at around 3 for an audience of = about 120 outside in an open garden with great beer,wine,food,smell of home= grown everywhere,fire,everybody talking in a good mood cheering up and eve= n the church bells ringing...can it really be annoying loud?
So i asked the audience if i was being loud and there was a big scream of N= OOOOOO!!!! then i asked the guys that hired me if somebody had complained a= nd they said no,but they wanted to avoid it.Then i said as far as i know yo= u are allowed once a year at least in Germany to play and make noise till 2= 4.00hrs. and i know this because i had a birthday party and i had to make s= ure it was not going to get ruined by some old fart calling the cops on me.=
So then i stopped playing and went for a beer and people came and said why = i had stopped.After explaining they went to the guys and said i should keep= playing so then they came back(it was after midnight) and said if i could = play more.Then i said but i though it was too loud;-)

Another experience in Switzerland:Im playing at a music festival called= honky tonk in the middle of Luzern City at a bar with an Irish trio.acoust= ic bass,acoustic guitar and Cajon.We started at around 20.45 and by around = 22.00 there is a guy in front uf us swinging some sort of loundness tester = device in front of us.The bar owner runs through the crowd in fornt of the = stage in=A0 complete panic and screams "turn it down now"!! now i= s typical here that the atmosphere at 20.00hrs. when you start playing is m= ore like a obituary,but as the audiences get fed their dose of booze i swea= r to you that the crowd was louder than we were!
After the guy with the mesurement device was gone,the bar owner came and ap= ologized to us but said he didnt want to get fined and said now you can tur= n i t up;-))
Even funnier here is seeing so called "heavy rock band= s" playing at perfect CD levels;-)) do you know how ridiculous that so= unds?
Then again during football season,religious carnavals like "fast nacht= ",summer festivals,church bells,october fest festivals,wine festivals = and everything else that is organized by big agencies is not a problem..i a= sk myself are people being pre conditioned?

moral of the story: this just aint no place for rock n roll man;-))
=





On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at = 9:34 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
One slightly cont= roversial comment I have after watching these clips of Nadia again, that br= ings back the fear into me.. is... (donning fire retardant spider-man costu= me) What is with these German audiances? Nadia has almost packed up and gon= e home and put her feet up in front of the fire with a good book, before th= ey start to react? Are they crazy, or maybe stunned?

(Actually THIS is the controversial comment) When I used to play in ger= many, We often got this reaction, absolute silence during songs, minimal ap= plause inbetween.. till the end, then.. after we had left the stage and thi= nking "God, they hated us", they would go CRAZY demanding 3 or 4 = encores.. What is that...?
It would put me in a bad mood during the show and had NO idea that they wer= e enjoying it?

Is this normal, directed at the german LDer,s Rainer = etc?

I think manly it because germans really listen, and listen har= d (I think Stockhausen said this at a lecture I attended - is he German? I = think so.. that the rest of Europe has to learn to listen!!!) and as such, = maybe they are more absorbed, and it takes some time to snap out of it?

If thats it, then its a compliment I guess.. still very off-putting. (a= nd before anyone jumps at me for being generalistic, or god forbid, rascist= .. Im just reporting what I promise was the case for me... never saw it any= where else - except perhaps one strange gig in Scotland, on April fools day= , when the audience played a trick on us by NEVER applauding once.. ha ha! = very fucking funny...

Mark

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--001636d3518619656f0490fbd6b7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 07:04:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FD3F3BE81; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_356a56c0-921f-4f55-8f99-89d25f37e577_" X-Originating-IP: [86.140.182.144] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT: old skool listening - indian slide playing Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:04:10 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4C9BB91A.5060806@tiscali.co.uk> References: ,<4C9BB91A.5060806@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2010 07:04:10.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[B022FE90:01CB5BB6] Resent-Message-ID: <49yUg.A.uG.r1EnMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:04:12 +0000 (UTC) --_356a56c0-921f-4f55-8f99-89d25f37e577_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable check theses vids out for some Indian slide playing: http://chandrakantha.com/articles/indian_music/gotuvadyam.html peace =20 g > Date: Thu=2C 23 Sep 2010 21:31:22 +0100 > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: old skool listening >=20 > mark francombe wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > Does any one know? >=20 > I'm always looking out for info about the history > of what we might call "ethnic musics"=2C but > I never came across much on this topic. >=20 > To be fair though=2C I tend to think that=20 > grandfather Butler left Eire in order to escape the music=2C > it's a genre I've never been drawn to. >=20 > (in other words=2C no I don't know=2C just have some related ideas) > =20 >=20 > > Maybe there is an underlying root from English Reels=20 > > (could be Scottish maybe in origin) that crossed the water with the=20 > > Irish sea workers=20 >=20 > Listening to the Irish jigs and reels I wonder=20 > if they've been re-constituted from sheet music > at some time in their development. >=20 > Aural traditions around the world tend to have rhythms > that approach the the strong beat rather than follow it=2C > and I reckon a lot of those jigs/reels would sound=20 > better if played in that way. >=20 > Stephen Goodman wrote: > > Slide guitar is traceable on many accounts to one-stringed=20 > > African instruments=2C=20 >=20 > I'd guess it would be ultimately traceable to the music bow=2C > I'd be interested to hear (or hear about) any African instrument > that had a slide. >=20 > Presumably a Berimbau type instrument would be the missing link. >=20 > There's certainly the Asian instruments=2C the most refined being > the gotuvadyam vina. >=20 >=20 = --_356a56c0-921f-4f55-8f99-89d25f37e577_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable check theses vids out for some Indian slide playing:
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= --_356a56c0-921f-4f55-8f99-89d25f37e577_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 10:49:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 704863BE84; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <18781046.841121285325392526.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:49:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Massimo Liverani Reply-To: Massimo Liverani To: Subject: R: Re: site specific looping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SenderIP: 85.47.237.138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Nadia, site specific works and looping is one of my favorite act. I've done many performance here in Italy in the past especially in Spoleto and surroundings. We have done 2 performances during 8 hours and one during 12 hours one in a big old church (no more used as a church) and one in a holy wood, using the particular sounds of the sites (the church had a fantastic reverb of 8 seconds!) Your works are very interesting but here in italy is always more difficoult to do things like this... No one is interested... So keep on and good luck! Max Liver >> dear loopers, >> >> lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations >> and I find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. >> just wanted to know if others are also working with site specific >> performance work. >> >> here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing >> looping technique): >> http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php? option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64 >> >> direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM >> >> another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): http://www. youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc >> >> would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example >> i love old staircases or torn down buildings... >> >> ciao >> Nadia >> >> -- >> http://www.nirmala07.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 11:48:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A77403BE89; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:48:13 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20100924114813.24170@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> Subject: Re: site specific looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/8LWtTwMH8mf88KQwPJox8uSOKssdiscEpPi/QDQ J9/8uyYxIC3He5FtsisysLRc2+FAweGBzVxg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: zL26ZFiuLi50BIE/kWppYK5rZml1ZFg2 X-FuHaFi: 0.71999999999999997 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi Nadia the second video reminded my a lot of "Flamma Flamma" (Fire Reqiuem) by Nicholas Lens. ... which is freaky & awesome, btw ;-) Regards Buzap -- GMX DSL SOMMER-SPECIAL: Surf & Phone Flat 16.000 für nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 12:51:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3675D3BE88; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C9C9ED4.9040107@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 05:51:32 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: wonderful looping vocalist: Dub FX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:51:40 +0000 (UTC) http://wimp.com/dubfx/ check this wonderful Australian vocalist, travelling the world and doing live looping on the streets...................wow!!!! totally inspiring!!!! Dub FX is his moniker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 13:41:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 807B33BE85; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ym+qzwoMcY3cqfbZ0xTI2gPf3dMPMMhOodjOsWXpKyo=; b=AiMiwOsYr7PvpWX2dw3ixeVG2ATGtLG9/SU8waXedEKAjNmFTi8Gg7YiGViXSm92cp rOZ3IYD6FH2uJvZHYtus5eo0skO6fectxjNnFAnjflVVPSzmQSn191NtjpEatWiHguuG v8YQRyKzAoe8oUmQnxSihO0ogvJK/Qo7KGMzg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=INzpXz2fJCxo8PBpBTvqgl3gYGZ9GUOYaErEMoC0aBGl8GOTEOs4OOoke2HAc0WBI2 /MATWP1ykUP1QzMWptr736nsVBr6HjoPN99+eC5+yu/OIR6gDlgUpENhQ3/CVan4fk+M 73HEkLraDc4wH8CH2lv5HN5/Ik6oj7i2/BG5s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:41:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6b1beb5ee730491018a60 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:41:56 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd6b1beb5ee730491018a60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 is clock the only thing the sequencer is pumping out? if it's sending out other midi data, like notes and cc data, then i can imaging the eclipse would have problems sim On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:18 AM, james fowler wrote: > nope, still sucks. here's something bizarre that i've noticed...perhaps > significant, perhaps not. > > tempo is staying locked no problem. when the sequencer is not running then > the modulation stays locked to the tempo and all is well and the eventide is > doing exactly what i expect it to do. as soon as i hit play on the > sequencer and start feeding the eventide midiclock, that's when shit gets > outta sync. if i stop the sequencer then the eventide adjusts the > modulation to re-align with the tempo. so, it would appear that * > something* about constant midiclock input is causing the problem. i > dunno. > > furthermore, increasing "retrig" to 10.0 cycles (range 0.0 - 10.0) slows > the inevitable drift. funny, the manual states this is in percentages but > the machine is in "cycles". maybe this changes per preset...i've not > looked. > > --000e0cd6b1beb5ee730491018a60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is clock the only thing the sequencer is pumping out? if it's sending o= ut other midi data, like notes and cc data, then i can imaging the eclipse = would have problems

sim

On Fri, Se= p 24, 2010 at 1:18 AM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com> wrote:
nope, still sucks= .=A0 here's something bizarre that i've noticed...perhaps significa= nt, perhaps not.

tempo is staying locked no problem.=A0 when the sequencer is not runnin= g then the modulation stays locked to the tempo and all is well and the eve= ntide is doing exactly what i expect it to do.=A0 as soon as i hit play on = the sequencer and start feeding the eventide midiclock, that's when shi= t gets outta sync.=A0 if i stop the sequencer then the eventide adjusts the= modulation to re-align with the tempo.=A0 so, it would appear that some= thing about constant midiclock input is causing the problem.=A0 i dunno= .=A0

furthermore, increasing "retrig" to 10.0 cycles (range 0.0 - = 10.0) slows the inevitable drift.=A0 funny, the manual states this is in pe= rcentages but the machine is in "cycles".=A0 maybe this changes p= er preset...i've not looked.=A0

--000e0cd6b1beb5ee730491018a60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 13:44:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B25733BE8C; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:44:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 140995.42625.bm@omp1002.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285335887; bh=7P0a9HRsYXB+bKAqP/B/+2iDXPWhCA2jFsQEnIR3ny4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BcMb5q3CeHcwb73xS80GMObd/dj5HlQQvN3ErzVZsCL1DYtzinq/ZNDCbEy+Uy/eTdQRRmkME7ijLrv12Pgc/ifIQWHOajy70rjFTuCNQZojk418DEvPTA68w7dGf7fU5j8MBeCeZcRQOT3xcxs6BLmX8WoG5t/aKl4soExA1jg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GFvuovVKJ8xnIa78jHurQf5Om00WlD/HqvpJRHgFyeHoal7laGV+ou48z4cAlvpIK8XEfag/dJ4xKuzfyBDnvtVP8kkMJE0dGek7ypWM1gpraoxN10BqSMZOpr0Ee+ftdYEpbTpWAJ6JJJIrfbeZon+HzM8JXppNcjktYqHgZHo=; Message-ID: <894918.6004.qm@web59613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TRKniosVM1lqpUtv5iNPL6I8QgccMiHtIvL.1IAioH_w29b dJ_5YNoHS8ScHQ.axyupEwa_ehBq5Znk5sWba8zRyE3mFCFFDNLoiVoX9qY7 rmQk0tRFFMC8xz1AGrbKj7n_hbF3jQCDphnHY0_QweSVAYue8LCaUovdTs_z 9dQVekYTW5wqt5OtxqqQNaWh9zK9QHrEFgc.zFyGjMeUA6OtX0J0QMzsihHA l3f5yovLtQWXpAWYG6YZWhuGAnBWz_2jSSeNaVyvtfrBTfuolVgo5VGT53Fo 10Yc.cBc- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:44:47 -0700 (PDT) From: chuspa Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1552129983-1285335887=:6004" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:44:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-1552129983-1285335887=:6004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I try the standalone app of mobius, but I dont know how to use it, I look a= t the web side=C2=A0www.zonemobius.com=C2=A0to search for a manual, but the= site is not working... does anybody have some tips to see how it works mobius app? even I think it= has many bugs....... thanks luis --- On Thu, 23/9/10, Thomas Wegmann wrote: From: Thomas Wegmann Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Received: Thursday, 23 September, 2010, 3:48 PM Great news guys!!!!! =0AOn Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: =0A=0A=0AWhen it is done. =C2=A0It is a team effort though so hopefully it = will be done sooner than if one person did it. =C2=A0 --Bob Amstadt=0A=0A=0A=0A On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Fabio_A wrote: =0A=0A=0A=0AThat's an exciting new=C2=A0=C2=A0!=0AAnything to say about whe= n it will be available ?=0A=C2=A0=0A-fabio=0Awww.eterogeneo.com =0A2010/9/22 Matthias Grob =0Afriends, I have not been present here because I work day and night exactly to achiev= e this! The past years, I translated the EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop VST plugin in= C++ =0Aand the past months, with great help from Bob Amstadt, I adapt this soft= ware to run on a little Linux processor as Jeff suspects, its pretty crazy and takes a lot of rewrite, but it seems= I will manage to maintain the core with the essencial typical functions th= at make it all work the same, so all those musicians who composed on the ED= P or Mobius for years can seamlessly continue playing with the Evoloop rack= unit - with next to no audio latency (yes, its not like running a plugin o= n Linux, Bob is much smarter! :-) =0A back to work Matthias On 11 Sep 2010, at 13:41, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> Price is =E2=82=AC295...sooo, anyone interested in doing a Mobius port o= nto this >> one? Jeff? ;) > > I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me =0A> boils down to the operating system. =C2=A0Besides the big things like = how > you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also > designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file =0A> system. > > It wouldn't really be a port, it would be a 25% to 50% rewrite. =C2=A0If = I > did this it wouldn't be Mobius as we know it today, it would have to > be much more limited. > =0A> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac > versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. > > Sorry, > Jeff =0A --=20 Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Verizon.net=20 TheWeg@GMail.com =0A=0A=0A=0A --0-1552129983-1285335887=:6004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I try the standalone app of mobius, but I don= t know how to use it, I look at the web side www.zonemobius.com to search for a manual, but the site is n= ot working...

does anybody have some tips to see how it = works mobius app? even I think it has many bugs.......

=

thanks

luis

--- On T= hu, 23/9/10, Thomas Wegmann <theweg@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5= px; padding-left: 5px;">
From: Thomas Wegmann <theweg@gmail.com>Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit)
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com
Received: Thursday, 23 September, 2010, 3:48 PM
<= br>
Great news guys!!!!!

=0A
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Bob Amstadt <bob@amstadt.com> wrote:
=0A
=0A
=0A
When it is done.  It is a team effort though so ho= pefully it will be done sooner than if one person did it.  

--Bob Amstadt
=0A
=0A
=0A=0A=0A
=0A
= =0A
=0A
That's an exciting new  !
=0A
Anything t= o say about when it will be available ?
=0A
 
=0A
-f= abio
=0A=0A
2010/9/22 Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com>
=0A
friends,
I have not been present = here because I work day and night exactly to achieve this!
The past year= s, I translated the EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop VST plugin in C++
=0Aan= d the past months, with great help from Bob Amstadt, I adapt this software = to run on a little Linux processor
as Jeff suspects, its pretty crazy an= d takes a lot of rewrite, but it seems I will manage to maintain the core w= ith the essencial typical functions that make it all work the same, so all = those musicians who composed on the EDP or Mobius for years can seamlessly = continue playing with the Evoloop rack unit - with next to no audio latency= (yes, its not like running a plugin on Linux, Bob is much smarter! :-)
= =0A
back to work
Matthias


On 11 Sep 2010, at 13:41, Jeff L= arson wrote:

>
>> Price is =E2=82=AC295...sooo, anyone i= nterested in doing a Mobius port onto this
>> one? Jeff? ;)
>= ;
> I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for= me
=0A> boils down to the operating system.  Besides the big th= ings like how
> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, = Mobius was also
> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual m= emory and a file
=0A> system.
>
> It wouldn't really be a= port, it would be a 25% to 50% rewrite.  If I
> did this it wou= ldn't be Mobius as we know it today, it would have to
> be much more = limited.
>
=0A> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep= the Windows and Mac
> versions going so I doubt this will ever happe= n.
>
> Sorry,
> Jeff


=
=0A


=
--
Greg Wegmann

TheWeg@Verizon.net
TheWeg@GMail.com
<= br>=0A

=0A=0A=0A=0A &nbs= p; --0-1552129983-1285335887=:6004-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 13:53:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8B473BE89; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 377338.4246.bm@omp1003.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285336425; bh=1UjVcOe3JLgJVCgPfGsXGX9j+UG/bH2tWfpKqAFaTSQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JoenEPuZa0sKy9RRm1YhbI//DftbfnU8GH8vIQR4KSBcdMn7cOiYW3MtPo0/QZru3vQEzhIAmMaI3kBtlT2mNL2n8Sgb9a4WwxjMNQShNkMRRSGKX3JkPp2ZU/xbekkv7v2TL1sUCg8w5Q5l+9NADql2G4YnbuISS4V7OoWPKws= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qj4hLc2Ld4zw93wNaM0j3aFFagpDCWEoeer5i/epZXWFVn3i4KhFoLeD0FtJDZWwg5a4VSE0f0NrUrSCMAGA+rVvUi4Vds9Q9qFweUzAmOPIyWsv5/qIiuU2VrWCUXUFKMvxWiZeJ8JST6A00Yze7iVZA9eM/4WXLQjrW++JF9Q=; Message-ID: <75850.10509.qm@web59613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: y_CtofsVM1muc0VZhKh3JbP7JFq_OVpIQgCEFgjjkEpaR1d 4H2QEEiOoDVxuVpq0PyqdtLzs_OfHZfQYaEmLxA5OHuDQc2Zx2pTgG7vsx5a nZfALSHZEzGMBJ6LgFCzzvD.YX8.k1R4p8vwOkY4fqGWRqIpOIh41h2n.TUh 7MkubOvojQ394y8VZ2VuzWeo.JDcCehUabuADyyfARFfw2qkNL3el2Yi7zhl jGkYXEi9PJxL0h9LnMP1kYxD.ygkS_pDlLhHAe_4- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:53:44 -0700 (PDT) From: chuspa Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <894918.6004.qm@web59613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-562292315-1285336424=:10509" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:53:45 +0000 (UTC) --0-562292315-1285336424=:10509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable when I open the mobius app, it says "unable to open audio input device" and= then=C2=A0"unable to open audio output device" I used a mac intel 10.5.8 --- On Fri, 24/9/10, chuspa wrote: From: chuspa Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 3:44 PM I try the standalone app of mobius, but I dont know how to use it, I look a= t the web side=C2=A0www.zonemobius.com=C2=A0to search for a manual, but the= site is not working... does anybody have some tips to see how it works mobius app? even I think it= has many bugs....... thanks luis --- On Thu, 23/9/10, Thomas Wegmann wrote: From: Thomas Wegmann Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Received: Thursday, 23 September, 2010, 3:48 PM Great news guys!!!!! =0AOn Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: =0A=0A=0AWhen it is done. =C2=A0It is a team effort though so hopefully it = will be done sooner than if one person did it. =C2=A0 --Bob Amstadt=0A=0A=0A=0A On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Fabio_A wrote: =0A=0A=0A=0AThat's an exciting new=C2=A0=C2=A0!=0AAnything to say about whe= n it will be available ?=0A=C2=A0=0A-fabio=0Awww.eterogeneo.com =0A2010/9/22 Matthias Grob =0Afriends, I have not been present here because I work day and night exactly to achiev= e this! The past years, I translated the EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop VST plugin in= C++ =0Aand the past months, with great help from Bob Amstadt, I adapt this soft= ware to run on a little Linux processor as Jeff suspects, its pretty crazy and takes a lot of rewrite, but it seems= I will manage to maintain the core with the essencial typical functions th= at make it all work the same, so all those musicians who composed on the ED= P or Mobius for years can seamlessly continue playing with the Evoloop rack= unit - with next to no audio latency (yes, its not like running a plugin o= n Linux, Bob is much smarter! :-) =0A back to work Matthias On 11 Sep 2010, at 13:41, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> Price is =E2=82=AC295...sooo, anyone interested in doing a Mobius port o= nto this >> one? Jeff? ;) > > I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me =0A> boils down to the operating system. =C2=A0Besides the big things like = how > you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also > designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file =0A> system. > > It wouldn't really be a port, it would be a 25% to 50% rewrite. =C2=A0If = I > did this it wouldn't be Mobius as we know it today, it would have to > be much more limited. > =0A> At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac > versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. > > Sorry, > Jeff =0A --=20 Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Verizon.net=20 TheWeg@GMail.com =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2=A0=0A=0A=0A --0-562292315-1285336424=:10509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
when I open the mobius app, it says "unable t= o open audio input device" and then "unable to open audio output devic= e"

I used a mac intel 10.5.8

--- On Fri, 24/9/= 10, chuspa <chuspacpu@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: chuspa <chuspacpu@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Evol= oop (was: Mobius in a rack unit)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 3:44 PM

=
I try the standalone app of mobi= us, but I dont know how to use it, I look at the web side www.zonemobius.com to search for a manual, but the site is= not working...

does anybody have some tips to see how it wo= rks mobius app? even I think it has many bugs.......


thanks

luis

--- On Thu= , 23/9/10, Thomas Wegmann <theweg@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Thomas Wegmann <theweg@gmail.com>
Subje= ct: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers= -delight.com
Received: Thursday, 23 September, 2010, 3:48 PM

Great news guys!!!!!

=0A
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:48 A= M, Bob Amstadt <bob@amstadt.com> wrote:
=0A
=0A
=0A
When it is done.  It is a team effort = though so hopefully it will be done sooner than if one person did it.  = ;

--Bob Amstadt
=0A
=0A
=
=0A
=0A=0A
=0A
=0A=0A
That's an exciting new  !
=0A
Anything to say a= bout when it will be available ?
=0A
 
=0A
-fabio=0A=0A
2010/9/22 Matthias Grob <= ;matilists@gmail.com>
=0A
friends,
I have not been present here because I work day and night exac= tly to achieve this!
The past years, I translated the EDP ASM soft to th= e Echoloop VST plugin in C++
=0Aand the past months, with great help fro= m Bob Amstadt, I adapt this software to run on a little Linux processor
= as Jeff suspects, its pretty crazy and takes a lot of rewrite, but it seems= I will manage to maintain the core with the essencial typical functions th= at make it all work the same, so all those musicians who composed on the ED= P or Mobius for years can seamlessly continue playing with the Evoloop rack= unit - with next to no audio latency (yes, its not like running a plugin o= n Linux, Bob is much smarter! :-)
=0A
back to work
Matthias

On 11 Sep 2010, at 13:41, Jeff Larson wrote:

>
>> P= rice is =E2=82=AC295...sooo, anyone interested in doing a Mobius port onto = this
>> one? Jeff? ;)
>
> I've looked at things like t= his before, the problem with them for me
=0A> boils down to the opera= ting system.  Besides the big things like how
> you interface wi= th MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also
> designed with = certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file
=0A> system.>
> It wouldn't really be a port, it would be a 25% to 50% rewrit= e.  If I
> did this it wouldn't be Mobius as we know it today, i= t would have to
> be much more limited.
>
=0A> At the mom= ent I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac
> versions = going so I doubt this will ever happen.
>
> Sorry,
> Jeff=


=0A



--
Greg Wegmann

TheWeg@= Verizon.net
TheWeg@GMail.com

=0A

=0A=0A=0A=0A  

=0A=0A=0A=0A   --0-562292315-1285336424=:10509-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 14:09:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A3CF3BE87; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aiJCeqLcrNJOM2XhTwz/nhXZHpwuOuCU2vVwCkb7T7A=; b=IZQyjlX0fwCn9IqpwKq7nTeHLUfWk3cvITDdrI75e2MpGGAXVp29QeJgwMjWmzJDma SlzBFinbHl4APaKigmo//dqSr1ZCKWqUJ2gzrxYG4R6vS8WtLECj5YfLDcV6x94SkPWn jIIjibfQ+G6tRGC71ErbcptByZio43+nPYDIM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=FnR8H/3+s8PH5crkCl+Wd1OA9fCGcNBDQqsP2ScPv0mFrOpWCo1pmDSgjzJVd9v/yB +yJqOFQhLAX7gpalIkXeASD1wRWs+tjl8Fe+jeu8glW0hLa/y73EEK6NXktWVZ0Sw/1K XWosFDNBQzA8UoUFGN8NmZSR7Tf2rNlNV5LGk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:09:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151757647653eb6d049101ec66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:09:13 +0000 (UTC) --00151757647653eb6d049101ec66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 the sequencer is in bidule and doesn't send clock per se. in bidule things lock together with "sync" and in order to get midiclock out you have to use a module called "sync to midi clock" which generates clock info. so...yes, the eventide is getting clock and only clock. when i do give it more info it seems to be able to handle cc messages without fucking up further, ironically enough. - jim On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > is clock the only thing the sequencer is pumping out? if it's sending out > other midi data, like notes and cc data, then i can imaging the eclipse > would have problems > > sim > > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:18 AM, james fowler wrote: > >> nope, still sucks. here's something bizarre that i've noticed...perhaps >> significant, perhaps not. >> >> tempo is staying locked no problem. when the sequencer is not running >> then the modulation stays locked to the tempo and all is well and the >> eventide is doing exactly what i expect it to do. as soon as i hit play on >> the sequencer and start feeding the eventide midiclock, that's when shit >> gets outta sync. if i stop the sequencer then the eventide adjusts the >> modulation to re-align with the tempo. so, it would appear that * >> something* about constant midiclock input is causing the problem. i >> dunno. >> >> furthermore, increasing "retrig" to 10.0 cycles (range 0.0 - 10.0) slows >> the inevitable drift. funny, the manual states this is in percentages but >> the machine is in "cycles". maybe this changes per preset...i've not >> looked. >> >> --00151757647653eb6d049101ec66 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the sequencer is in bidule and doesn't send clock per se.=A0 in bidule = things lock together with "sync" and in order to get midiclock ou= t you have to use a module called "sync to midi clock" which gene= rates clock info.=A0 so...yes, the eventide is getting clock and only clock= .=A0 when i do give it more info it seems to be able to handle cc messages = without fucking up further, ironically enough.

- jim

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:41 AM= , Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
is clock the only thing the sequencer is pumping out? if it's sending o= ut other midi data, like notes and cc data, then i can imaging the eclipse = would have problems

sim


On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:18 AM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
nope, still sucks= .=A0 here's something bizarre that i've noticed...perhaps significa= nt, perhaps not.

tempo is staying locked no problem.=A0 when the sequencer is not runnin= g then the modulation stays locked to the tempo and all is well and the eve= ntide is doing exactly what i expect it to do.=A0 as soon as i hit play on = the sequencer and start feeding the eventide midiclock, that's when shi= t gets outta sync.=A0 if i stop the sequencer then the eventide adjusts the= modulation to re-align with the tempo.=A0 so, it would appear that some= thing about constant midiclock input is causing the problem.=A0 i dunno= .=A0

furthermore, increasing "retrig" to 10.0 cycles (range 0.0 - = 10.0) slows the inevitable drift.=A0 funny, the manual states this is in pe= rcentages but the machine is in "cycles".=A0 maybe this changes p= er preset...i've not looked.=A0


--00151757647653eb6d049101ec66-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 14:11:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21D903BE81; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:11:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #39505143 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+V8/s/B42Vk1dAdgi5qyeKAieMMgLa/JdfHVdM5t 57vknlSfEBbHXT Message-ID: <4C9CB182.7020402@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:11:14 +0200 From: Nadia Salom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wonderful looping vocalist: Dub FX References: <4C9C9ED4.9040107@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4C9C9ED4.9040107@cruzio.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040509050903060106010207" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:11:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040509050903060106010207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no kidding! wow Am 24.09.10 14:51, schrieb Rick Walker: > http://wimp.com/dubfx/ > > > check this wonderful Australian vocalist, travelling the world > and doing live looping on the streets...................wow!!!! > > totally inspiring!!!! > > Dub FX is his moniker > > -- http://www.nirmala07.net --------------040509050903060106010207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no kidding! wow
Am 24.09.10 14:51, schrieb Rick Walker:
 http://wimp.com/dubfx/


check this wonderful Australian vocalist,   travelling the world
and doing live looping on the streets...................wow!!!!

totally inspiring!!!!

Dub FX is his moniker




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--------------040509050903060106010207-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 14:18:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8B2E3BE81; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=A72EMHVWSfYA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=qwWvHvCVnDR6l8cGePoA:9 a=A3VOCYG4VaYXGD36RzaP9CKfkxQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Message-Id: From: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Unexpected - Boysen-Anile collaborative album Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:18:26 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <03bVvB.A.ltH.0MLnMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Yes I did. On Sep 23, 2010, at 4:09 AM, Fabio_A wrote: > Hope you'll enjoy listening to it ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 14:18:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBC5D3BE88; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #39505143 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+bQFMpMUObcJmjcccHE0Kxg3QzzqloDBp7R45fcj XrhpfXFvVZ+Fm1 Message-ID: <4C9CB349.9030604@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:18:49 +0200 From: Nadia Salom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: flamma flamma was: site specific looping References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C991875.1070201@gmx.de> <20100924114813.24170@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20100924114813.24170@gmx.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010505030707020908010804" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <1xO1YB.A.lxH.MNLnMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:18:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010505030707020908010804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow i like flamma flamma, thanks for letting me know about that.... using so much repetition within the choral orchestration could be compared to the technique of looping I suppose... Am 24.09.10 13:48, schrieb Buzap Buzap: > Hi Nadia > > the second video reminded my a lot of "Flamma Flamma" (Fire Reqiuem) by Nicholas Lens. > > ... which is freaky& awesome, btw ;-) > > Regards > Buzap -- http://www.nirmala07.net --------------010505030707020908010804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit wow i like flamma flamma, thanks for letting me know about that.... using so much repetition within the choral orchestration could be compared to the technique of looping I suppose...

 Am 24.09.10 13:48, schrieb Buzap Buzap: 
Hi Nadia

the second video reminded my a lot of "Flamma Flamma" (Fire Reqiuem) by Nicholas Lens.

... which is freaky & awesome, btw ;-)

Regards
Buzap


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--------------010505030707020908010804-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 14:24:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 550E43BE8A; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #39505143 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+n1PM0V3enFJJOF4MJkdnJw0quFruEcidejwMVEw wSIEbum0bHxUon Message-ID: <4C9CB497.8020700@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:24:23 +0200 From: Nadia Salom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: site specific looping References: <18781046.841121285325392526.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> In-Reply-To: <18781046.841121285325392526.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080908080600030100090701" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:24:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080908080600030100090701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow that sounds great. I also sang in the Inca Cemeteries in Pizac near Cusco. The echo there was fabulous. That sounds like an interesting place. do u have pics? Am 24.09.10 12:49, schrieb Massimo Liverani: > Hi Nadia, site specific works and looping is one of my favorite act. > I've done many performance here in Italy in the past especially in Spoleto and > surroundings. > We have done 2 performances during 8 hours and one during 12 hours > one in a big old church (no more used as a church) and one in a holy wood, > using > the particular sounds of the sites (the church had a fantastic reverb of 8 > seconds!) > Your works are very interesting but here in italy is always more difficoult to > do things like this... > No one is interested... So keep on and good luck! > > Max Liver > >>> dear loopers, >>> >>> lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations >>> and I find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work. >>> just wanted to know if others are also working with site specific >>> performance work. >>> >>> here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing >>> looping technique): >>> http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php? > option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64 >>> direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM >>> >>> another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): http://www. > youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc >>> would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example >>> i love old staircases or torn down buildings... >>> >>> ciao >>> Nadia >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.nirmala07.net >> > > -- http://www.nirmala07.net --------------080908080600030100090701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow that sounds great. I also sang in the Inca Cemeteries in Pizac near Cusco. The echo there was fabulous. That sounds like an interesting place. do u have pics?

Am 24.09.10 12:49, schrieb Massimo Liverani: 
Hi Nadia, site specific works and looping is one of my favorite act.
I've done many performance here in Italy in the past especially in Spoleto and 
surroundings.
We have done 2 performances during 8 hours and one during 12 hours
one in a big old church (no more used as a church) and one in a holy wood, 
using
the particular sounds of the sites (the church had a fantastic reverb of 8 
seconds!) 
Your works are very interesting but here in italy is always more difficoult to 
do things like this...
No one is interested... So keep on and good luck! 

Max Liver 


dear loopers,

lately i have been performing more and more in interesting locations  
and I find this is getting to be a real essential part of my work.  
just wanted to know if others are also working with site specific  
performance work.

here some examples ( 2nd, 3rd and 4th Performance are all utilizing  
looping technique):
http://www.nirmala07.net/index.php?

option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=34&Itemid=64

direct links to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRv3qgd8lM

another looping perf done in a gallery ( less site specific): http://www.

youtube.com/watch?v=gtGVjHWpOzc

would love to hear comments about working in this way... for example  
i love old staircases or torn down buildings...

ciao
Nadia

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--------------080908080600030100090701-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 15:20:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B460B3BE87; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hG4iG0BZk0XSSyszyaCFXur5eBVdi1+Lq9fHP55wxHM=; b=pWdZzF5r90+W4xMz8KDnKbKzcDMYaUHCqSEQydpPzKtUIxhRqVvXvn0t4v9usORnEC Ce5o4AQ7/J7n8e15+geYD5kkPAQC+19QJt1rbSimKje9+6+9gDOSwGAqbvVu4/0XNJIa YfBfKV+9TVPWeRUSpH41keBvKIFvwTmy7pSVo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Etofs1YjDUBtREJHTCpX+NWVSdq8TLkG06OSr343bABttqJfQPqMWXuzc1z4sLNyCB iW1u4PsFhvOOmD+BU210PxkqvN5ONXyKTJ/R3hMmMOYMWiPBAQQqUsMpNTWoyc49BxZX VasqmiJxTB41BI8A9c3wUxUK/u7hacPLHj9mU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <894918.6004.qm@web59613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <894918.6004.qm@web59613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:20:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:20:28 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:44 PM, chuspa wrote: > > I try the standalone app of mobius, but I dont know how to use it, I look= at the web side=C2=A0www.zonemobius.com=C2=A0to search for a manual, but t= he site is not working... > does anybody have some tips to see how it works mobius app? even I think = it has many bugs....... Here's the manual: http://www.circularlabs.com/download/download.html Compared to other software Mobius doesn't have so many documented bugs. One bug I know of, that affects the OS X plug-in version, is that the plug-in can not pick up host tempo sync. I use that version anyway and have no problems because I set the tempo by the loop I record first in the looper, not by typing a tempo into the host application. When "constructing looping" during producing recorded music you have to use host sync, but then I use Augustus Loop instead of Mobius. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 16:28:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B2AA3BE87; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20100924101757.vsakgxk3twwosskk@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:17:57 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wonderful looping vocalist: Dub FX References: <4C9C9ED4.9040107@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4C9C9ED4.9040107@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:28:59 +0000 (UTC) I'd seen 'Flow' before, but not this one.. and yes, amazing! inspiring! I'd love to see him and Beardyman on the same bill.. :) -cpr Quoting Rick Walker : > http://wimp.com/dubfx/ > > > check this wonderful Australian vocalist, travelling the world > and doing live looping on the streets...................wow!!!! > > totally inspiring!!!! > > Dub FX is his moniker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 16:43:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DA3B3BE81; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:43:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 517752.41095.bm@omp1001.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285346589; bh=AyoLLcVvzMDjef1GM8Imgyw+A+SuclhQ0zt6ROe88EQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qoUtFmzmX0J2fCrLcOvRa11gG8HKpaUQuPSUnLT0vHgrqX7f1OxFV7OQEAMJx20kOzumymXREh0wEzze8TAl2p6CmstAZoAM9arlMbZuUcs3Y1vU0nF2lwi7+zcfOyXDx/K5MdoqpQzfWnhTVdMY21TdZpJRm5kvqyXaKWSR4Dk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s1S+7cSeL1cNbKbcw/1KbgD9oaS1tl6hVGCCtOtKn94VbYW83auESPRBp+VtJMn2v4Fh43A0612vV+RcNhebUjon2FPjYdkYDZOE6ZHs04AQTAjrBG2x6H9uwWJWVV/jhX5A94xn6pRxDi0p7kVxp7QDt8Af9jUpqW/Je0scUgw=; Message-ID: <936726.14482.qm@web59615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: .Qh1K2YVM1mCSuY_iaB9UBTxqqcdWQYFjjCKInr189UFcsK XpGxHYgpIxwKv9vlx4ChTeEMRCE9CGEMX8kIu3zYSsOP0vqpVtQfemHSoTMI b0H_A7wwpJrwekjb3j4vGLNOqP1liHDjqfSX2RXolDPmu6Y0CFhfmyLExO9O julqOMz.OJeXtcPCHTQWw_9D3WUcYSbBrUhOcfrOSVeL3CE6RGslNjTIjISl mTjmtPKrSsEHr6FYuccVNLSPti6rBGyeXWxP5iC1Rmq4RL0N3nQ9QupVfeIN HP1xWcVlCAEjoO10KHA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:43:09 -0700 (PDT) From: chuspa Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1561916095-1285346589=:14482" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:43:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-1561916095-1285346589=:14482 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi per, thanks so much for the manual, I will check it ... regards luis --- On Fri, 24/9/10, Per Boysen wrote: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 5:20 PM On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:44 PM, chuspa wrote: > > I try the standalone app of mobius, but I dont know how to use it, I look= at the web side=A0www.zonemobius.com=A0to search for a manual, but the sit= e is not working... > does anybody have some tips to see how it works mobius app? even I think = it has many bugs....... Here's the manual: http://www.circularlabs.com/download/download.html Compared to other software Mobius doesn't have so many documented bugs. One bug I know of, that affects the OS X plug-in version, is that the plug-in can not pick up host tempo sync. I use that version anyway and have no problems because I set the tempo by the loop I record first in the looper, not by typing a tempo into the host application. When "constructing looping" during producing recorded music you have to use host sync, but then I use Augustus Loop instead of Mobius. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub =0A=0A=0A --0-1561916095-1285346589=:14482 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

hi per, thanks so much for the= manual, I will check it ...

regards

luis

--- On Fri, 24/9/10, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail= .com> wrote:

From: Per Boysen &l= t;perboysen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack un= it)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Received: Friday, 24 Sept= ember, 2010, 5:20 PM

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 a= t 3:44 PM, chuspa <chuspacpu@yahoo.com> wrote:
&g= t;
> I try the standalone app of mobius, but I dont know how to use i= t, I look at the web side www.zonemobius.com to search for a manu= al, but the site is not working...
> does anybody have some tips to see how it w= orks mobius app? even I think it has many bugs.......


Here's the= manual:
http://www.circularlabs.com/download/download.html
Compared to other software Mobius doesn't have so many documented bugs= .

One bug I know of, that affects the OS X plug-in version, is that = the
plug-in can not pick up host tempo sync. I use that version anyway a= nd
have no problems because I set the tempo by the loop I record first i= n
the looper, not by typing a tempo into the host application. When
"= constructing looping" during producing recorded music you have to use
ho= st sync, but then I use Augustus Loop instead of Mobius.

Greetings f= rom Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.l= ooproom.com internet music hub


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On Fri, Sep 24, 201= 0 at 3:09 PM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com> wrote:
the sequencer is = in bidule and doesn't send clock per se.=A0 in bidule things lock toget= her with "sync" and in order to get midiclock out you have to use= a module called "sync to midi clock" which generates clock info.= =A0 so...yes, the eventide is getting clock and only clock.=A0 when i do gi= ve it more info it seems to be able to handle cc messages without fucking u= p further, ironically enough.

- jim

--000e0cd6ab72fac3bd049104812c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 17:53:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3CE23BE86; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4C9C9ED4.9040107@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: wonderful looping vocalist: Dub FX Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:53:33 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 141.151.136.167 In-Reply-To: <4C9C9ED4.9040107@cruzio.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32679-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD2A288A32FAF9-F70-2A86@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:53:46 +0000 (UTC) holy shit!.....he was a tap dancing, educating, monster!!!!!.....do=20 people no longer "move" to the beat, everyone just stands there.....i=20 know i would be asked to leave for bustin' my kool moves, now available=20 on video btw.....i bet he made more scoot during that vid then i have=20 over the last 2 years.....also, why did he become jammacin when the=20 song started.....is that a specific, atlantic would make more sense,=20 approved "dialect" for this genre.....just wondering......tanks=20 rickeeee! http://wimp.com/dubfx/=C2=A0 =C2=A0 check this wonderful Australian vocalist, travelling the world=C2=A0 and doing live looping on the streets...................wow!!!!=C2=A0 =C2=A0 totally inspiring!!!!=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dub FX is his moniker=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 17:56:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7AE23BE87; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2LhWxD58VdrVV1Lrpgm0KiTxZvHhUNS2ESuUXBRu808=; b=kLQnywP0Dqg4cVdynCXOqr9x2Kxmu1XxJvwFpk8q7kUM40ZCwRBYfxNPVW2EONt6k9 QaZ9MD4SJ5VGhnCNdLvNNR+opBh+fhYzy+MVh5UT7o3LFBoDBkYnnirBbsR3P8Jle6ib nW1RBWM6NWB49wQvE3Z8D8i7SNXkWCuralWA4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=bs/QTjHi+pYi0Q0cEoGg+h6uiYKQRg4SOBpqSCIY555OQW0lg7Ng53ccazh3vANn7P yuxEKtwsX8uPx5EDL8mXJ59BfP5EJwvRjlz8VkH3uKZrnf5Ua8coR0XoVadKsPAEtjlR KtwlbAOTXo+JqnuMq59o8bO/8Ihgc3wlhnm8U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:56:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Unexpected - Boysen-Anile collaborative album From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:56:51 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Fabio_A wrote: > "Unexpected" > http://www.perboysen-fabioanile.bandcamp.com/ Thank you Fabio for announcing to our list friends that we are making this recording available. I would just like to add that I am especially excited with this album because it is a true live recording of real improvisation. It oozes of the energy and flow that you can only achieve by playing together in the same room after having enjoyed local Italian food. What I like with real improvisation is that the music is being born first, then instantly recorded and later on shared. That's different from the form of collaboration where players typically record locally on their own and exchange audio files over the internet, causing the music to be born at the process' very last stage: the final mixing of the files. I like both approaches and some combination thereof but to me nothing can replace the real thing. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 18:01:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3C383BE81; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=q6Ki4rCSwl9JDNOdthDxanDso8qvGoO5PqUjWEMJyfU=; b=IDY5Q8FsmJAVAwwzEU6iCRxa+CQREQUFnJmMOIchwJtaXneIwPR9F01Zp6zsLsZzQA 7LEtXmxHEmsBssNpdyMBhgMCywyCdAyIEhE9viHXKZzy2n/6HCH7MY9q68pNeSuC8IkR M8WSJkY5AEWmTyC9LzfEpE6Xr/u+S3A1X9SUA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=DsIovW7h/xLcoDnOZArl9hiGgE5+D/wEr3Ga2my8lf3iXfy/c5gUAiE6VDkpQpSxMH TGnP1COji+VyUADcDJYcDUm03H/TWEeb4iLbwYxLvq5fRXrUAWO6lt8fedN9yPNyexZ0 11bOZoitKgS6MzoME2vS/v5/F658A71ydG6mc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20100907174941.A51Y0.10895274.root@mp12> <950263.52214.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:01:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Mecca From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:01:35 +0000 (UTC) And you can now pre-order. T-shirts available too.. Pre-order limited edition "Mecca" CD & T-Shirt now: http://signalsundertests.bandcamp.com/ Ricky On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Cheers Fabio! > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Fabio_A wrote: >> Agree ! >> Good luck with your album, I really like the sound and the fact its >> atmosphere is coherent song by song... >> >> - Fabio >> www.eterogeneo.com >> >> >> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> > Exciting music you're making there! >>> > >>> > Greetings from Sweden >>> > >>> > Per Boysen >>> > www.boysen.se >>> > www.perboysen.com >>> > www.looproom.com internet music hub >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 18:07:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 968543BE87; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=20cV/seqMVs3coTJccrHOL0OlFlWd3w6TSb7LEfelUQ=; b=BDcZUcX5fASnoAnvxdLV/5KSiVKkOimuHWU4OcsqDOFYTs+kLLNwvDEl773TrAzkgm w9itCUUq1z2zgp/YNc4on79NELZtIjkbbOZgg2YZzjiJr8ULkNz90ZY8nMzXKhLqJAyq k9DDElsNjGTLC7pyVzv0U4c5uG4W7rKW1XFJc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=AxX+kAatmxweLbNtsjRyg5UVbCltg9QsrIOXaMX1ewDN5W354bfzyF7A38GbjtdZok apzpUOEvKRU8jWkrFq1ccrbtdUtwNgzw0hX4TgMxJNPNj5uHRDOo6hI7eiqKyNXv9Wdc UVt/2XXvVWR2fe/GQvo5lQbSRPB5dxyT0oSe8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4C9C9ED4.9040107@cruzio.com> References: <4C9C9ED4.9040107@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:06:58 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7cj6LMd2ShuEWiE_kd3YYP7ECv4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: wonderful looping vocalist: Dub FX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd592d539530491053fd9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:07:19 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cd592d539530491053fd9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Really cool, nearly a beardyman, not quite, but great singer... in the "raggamuffin stylee" i believe it is refered to. He says he is from Australia, but his accent is definitely English... strange... mark On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > http://wimp.com/dubfx/ > > > check this wonderful Australian vocalist, travelling the world > and doing live looping on the streets...................wow!!!! > > totally inspiring!!!! > > Dub FX is his moniker > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --0015175cd592d539530491053fd9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really cool, nearly a beardyman, not quite, but great singer... in the &quo= t;raggamuffin stylee" i believe it is refered to.

He says he is= from Australia, but his accent is definitely English... strange...

mark

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ric= k Walker <loopp= ool@cruzio.com> wrote:
=A0http://wimp.com/dub= fx/


check this wonderful Australian vocalist, =A0 travelling the world
and doing live looping on the streets...................wow!!!!

totally inspiring!!!!

Dub FX is his moniker




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mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancomb= e
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--0015175cd592d539530491053fd9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 18:12:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 755583BE87; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+CB9g1KoYkcGTaJ7tHxey6dgXEw9raCG/sNIYc0cAA8=; b=KeysDK1TuX8s8d6dLKN/Hj7DPfKWFYH/N8WDn1uUh2TQQMnZJV+GkfluGunjyTdOaT sxQlKzlKZSNL67TOlEBOhaz+taUJfQ7oKxYIaS9QlgkHUzcPeQWQ794ijnY3WTlao7Se NDIpptLjK8QSJjzRSchQngParv4OZjjehe9GU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HIO1LxBjLMUJcskTMX3poZZa+SnjiD/rCwjXacr1FUqJ+z5nYB5Y6lm/yOveErV0mB BqB1IgwUkYnH7+ft1E4FUi1bo/6XhcnSwys13lDA27pEkaeHrIPOXTbe8pRViN1pBfGm gVoZu0qQ7Flgjw+y4eIyE14YwH0shu9svdyw0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CD2A288A32FAF9-F70-2A86@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> References: <4C9C9ED4.9040107@cruzio.com> <8CD2A288A32FAF9-F70-2A86@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:12:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: wonderful looping vocalist: Dub FX From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:12:57 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:53 PM, wrote: > =C2=A0http://wimp.com/dubfx/ > > check this wonderful Australian vocalist, Inspiring! Must be wonderful to have such a good grip on ones voice - not needing to carry heavy instruments around. His singing is a lot better than most instrumentalist's playing! ;-) On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > He says he is from Australia, but his accent is definitely English... > strange... He could be still be Brittish but from somewhere "north of Hatfield"... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 18:55:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 904D13BE85; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C9CF432.5040508@theambientping.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:55:46 -0400 From: PiNG Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , Dark Seeds , Drone Deep Chill , Loopers Delight , The Ambient Way Subject: 09.25.10 > The PiNG presents a PiNG con:SORT @ Toronto (new music) Marathon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:55:56 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 09.25.10 THE AMBiENT PiNG presents a PiNG con:SORT featuring a one hour improvised evolving soundscape by James Bailey (Odradek), Alan Bloor (Pholde), Jim Field (spacenoiz, Rhea's Obsession), Michelangelo Iaffaldano (Odradek), Wally Jericho, Scott M2 (dreamSTATE), Phil Ogison (The Devil In The Design), Jamie Todd (dreamSTATE, URM) and Andy Yue (Odradek) performed in front of an improvised, analog projected light painting by General Chaos Visuals. @ Toronto (new music) Marathon at Yonge-Dundas Square South East Corner of Yonge St. and Dundas St. Starts at 2PM . THE AMBiENT PiNG con:SORT at 7:20PM . FREE Contact Contemporary Music is going to turn the corner of Yonge and Dundas into a street corner bustling with music and sound art as the Toronto (new music) Marathon returns to Yonge-Dundas Square on Saturday, September 25 from 2:00 PM to 10:00 PM. It’s free, it’s interactive, and it’s part of the nation-wide movement of Culture Days. “A marathon of sound in the middle of traffic” - Robert Everett Green, The Globe and Mail “Combines the diverse aesthetics of the now legendary Police Picnic... and Bang On A Can’s casual yet radical presentation of contemporary music” - David Dacks, Musicworks Magazine The incredible Christina Petrowska Quilico will perform Ann Southam’s Pond Life and Glass Houses. Contact’s own Allison Wiebe will perform Donnacha Dennehy’s amazing Stainless Staining for piano and soundtrack, Wallace Halladay will perform Grab It by Jacob Ter Veldhuis and Rob MacDonald will be leading Jordan Nobles’ Temporal Waves. THE AMBiENT PiNG presents a full on onslaught of experimental soundscapes and sound sculptures. A consortium of PiNG artists perform an hour-long ambient blow-out (Soundscapes for Squares Part 1 - 6) complete with an improvised, analog projected light painting by General Chaos Visuals. The marathon gets capped off with Contact performing Philip Glass' mind-bending Music In Fifths. Throughout the entire day New Adventures In Sound Art under the direction of Darren Copeland will re-create The Three Sided Square featuring real-time sound creations using Yonge-Dundas Square itself as the sound source, and sound artist Barry Prophet will be showcasing his interactive Rotary Mbira all day long. It all kicks off with an interactive performance of Terry Riley’s classic IN C. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON: TUESDAY OCTOBER 26th 2010 . THE FAR SiDE OF THE MOON featuring FREIDA ABTAN + HOLZKOPF + NICK STORING + WORKER + THE NAUSEA (Anju Singh) @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market . just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact PiNG doors open at 8pm . 1st set at 8:30 . $6 TUESDAY NOVEMBER 23rd 2010 - DECRYiNG CENSORSHiP featuring TDITD XP + BEN ELFASSY & ERIC HOPPER + MICHAEL HOLCER @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market . just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact PiNG doors open at 8pm . 1st set at 8:30 . $6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Our friends from New Adventures in Sound Art are having a Last Minute Call For Submissions on the theme ABOUT TIME Categories: Radio Art, Electroacoustic Music/Sound Art, Videomusic and Installation Art September 30, 2010 Deadline Details and online submission form at: http://naisa.ca/opportunities.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, space, drone, psychedelic, chillout, downtempo, darkwave and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com The PiNG also has a Twitter account to send you advance updates and reminders of the when & where of future PiNG events. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 19:34:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B25FB3BE80; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=g+OG7/lriQHIMMyKRXA/X32LI6qOQDG8Uyz4uBtqhFc=; b=aJ+8i6hO4weFlW/XmCVT1zAYx9br/CvpuJ/CcY/fhn4X1gsXKckiAmMo1dTN1zB66s tOLb4qd5QVxyFiTvnNy+ZWLWfHiLRwLvkrwSv6tEs67q1cT0/MB9xosigeqjvmADQVg7 1SkLKhHfw7y4FeVlN6B5Hh0FbE1vt9iBm6Ovo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AKzYRIzGGvG30OmPXSjYejvGoInkhRLT+3hF9guzJuM72Bue4vRBZ1JEFGR8O0uOmC AS+rqSAVBARUYSO1Zm3HoQO8MjaprD5jRAMctjcMBkm7tK3TTxeztdkVwD7czlqItQZ8 rotjNQt6MKbEguOQqparMnSXn7vEKAcgRwVH4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:34:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rang III Software Ver 2.0 From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Can anyone tell something about the audio and build quality of the Rang III? Thanks. -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 21:05:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCCF03BE88; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #39505143 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+qH997qn+qswv7ZNC0SEIfNdqlLv8umQ3/YE5ltd wavkwRr+RO8qEu Message-ID: <4C9D127D.4070602@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:05:01 +0200 From: Nadia Salom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: tech advice - audio interface Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000909020203050006050308" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:05:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000909020203050006050308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear loopers, is this the way you would set up a performance with many channels (at least 6 or 8): Audio Interface to macbook with Ableton Live... outputs direct to loudspeakers or mixer...? and if so one would need an interface with more than 4 outputs right? like this one??? http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_fast_track_ultra_8r.htm or http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_profire_610.htm or even http://www.thomann.de/de/focusrite_saffire_pro_40.htm or any recommendations... with my macbook i still have firewire, would that be recommendable... this is for live performances ... anything to consider with that? actually I do a live mix directly from the computer during the performance using midi controllers in ableton.. so this is a plausible solution right?????? best nadia -- http://www.nirmala07.net --------------000909020203050006050308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear loopers,

is this the way you would set up a performance with many channels (at least 6 or 8):
Audio Interface to macbook with Ableton Live... outputs direct to loudspeakers or mixer...?
and if so one would need an interface with more than 4 outputs right? like this one???
http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_fast_track_ultra_8r.htm
or
http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_profire_610.htm
or even
http://www.thomann.de/de/focusrite_saffire_pro_40.htm

or any recommendations... with my macbook i still have firewire, would that be recommendable... this is for live performances ... anything to consider with that? actually I do a live mix directly from the computer during the performance using midi controllers in ableton.. so this is a plausible solution right??????

best
nadia


--

http://www.nirmala07.net

--------------000909020203050006050308-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 21:18:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB3DE3BE85; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=sB958gHDjaUgWhbP7z1uK47IHgdKaFqfulK/xwgU52g=; b=T3w7jxL+iUa3f1cUKshuu/J5qLJGOrcmGjl1nh4DecgAVLdaOahNyM4W7YjF+WOJUv VbZ4/ynwJWsKEvznEPonbB9V3n+9Vvqyn7JTW1cOLxQuRS/Xl55cByzrkK4VNFXSXgdp jZHZoc+a2yhmX5eL+NwjTcE6iV7lBhejaz+oE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jH3jrqeegGqnAp/UGJHbEOy4PDsa1qwPNjEkv6zkS2hBpNa1g3fMAtfXiQdbHwmGMT pHEjIb7+EGkfnVQDn55CjkGaL+8ptHM/V3Ssy0UGb59VZI5DajXKrORk342yQ1leKDJ+ VVio4KwW0w4H/s31A9YD3JejMXFf0i0EV8hJE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C9D127D.4070602@gmx.de> References: <4C9D127D.4070602@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:18:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: tech advice - audio interface From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I would agree that firewire is to prefer. The reason is that this transmission protocol is independent from system resources. USB, to compare, is good as long as you do not strain the CPU too hard. As the CPU gets more busy audio transmission may suffer. If fidelity is important I would recommend RME's boxes in this mid price range; a little more expensive but better sounding. They are known by many users as price worthy, stable and constantly updated with drivers to match upgrade changes in computer systems. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Nadia Salom wrote: > dear loopers, > > is this the way you would set up a performance with many channels (at least > 6 or 8): > Audio Interface to macbook with Ableton Live... outputs direct to > loudspeakers or mixer...? > and if so one would need an interface with more than 4 outputs right? like > this one??? > http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_fast_track_ultra_8r.htm > or > http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_profire_610.htm > or even > http://www.thomann.de/de/focusrite_saffire_pro_40.htm > > or any recommendations... with my macbook i still have firewire, would that > be recommendable... this is for live performances ... anything to consider > with that? actually I do a live mix directly from the computer during the > performance using midi controllers in ableton.. so this is a plausible > solution right?????? > > best > nadia > > > -- > > http://www.nirmala07.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 24 21:38:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66D743BE85; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RYDH6HpEEj+H2iIDc4ptdEXXyW7g3Vl/ib4IajMmFbs=; b=Ilfbr93CQslQC5y2vI57U7abbFO3pFHprE3qSg9/nPy3ZgTSznMCjxXvdujU7zljbi /YiqFf5qso98lL9yYCXzrGr+OmxyjfACBzrUcZrsAHJ0Jzpzkiro9wnIViJL4OfhVHNw ps/at5DuJxslrwY1iuQi4oH+5+8VZnLDPUHqs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=dhiZeFRsDzPQZip96bOmNPkytJbPaMe72FZLkJjqoMrpCKUDSvvgdST65ADpOL5o1g aiS6xTbctShJ0fRkSvti+vsjaO1sQyAOzDkkfppwgQ8ZyuX0LA3E3EQ1Pt45iv1a0fCi jSek/jfeY15bhBB9hNFML06yadxRDwJJgG6/w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:38:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: OT: yamaha fs1r From: james fowler To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175764761b81a60491083452 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:38:47 +0000 (UTC) --0015175764761b81a60491083452 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 anybody know of anybody selling one of these? - jim --0015175764761b81a60491083452 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 anybody know of anybody selling one of these?

- jim
--0015175764761b81a60491083452-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 02:03:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 007A13BE89; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 02:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> Subject: Re: Rang III Software Ver 2.0 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:02:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 02:03:02 +0000 (UTC) If you're referring to the physical build quality, it's a tank. The only potential weakness might be the knobs on the pots. They stick up kind of high, which makes them very easy to use, but they are exposed and since they are high or "tall", a good kick or hit could conceivably break one. So far so good, though. I gig with mine a lot and have had no mishaps. I don't think it will a problem (knocks head). I like the pots as they are of the infinitely-spinning variety with tiny little détentes that you can feel as you spin them. The détentes are in such tiny increments that you can get very fine and accurate adjustments out of them. The footswitches are the same as on the 'Rang II, and I love them. They are very flat and close to the surface of the unit, and that makes for better accuracy since the travel distance of the switches is very small. Overall I am extremely happy with the unit, except that there are way too few foot switches. Obviously they went for a small footprint but at the expense of the musician having too choose some functions and not have the others available without bending down and re-assigning in the middle of your performance. The good news is that they are supposedly working on creating an add-on pedal with more switches. Sound quality is superb to my ear, far better than the 'Rang II, which is to be expected when you look at the specs. It lives up to the printed specs. A loop of my acoustic guitar playing back sounds almost identical to the original signal. I could tell the difference if I were blindfolded but certainly the average listener would not be able to. I hear there has been some discussion of people not being able to get a perfectly seamless loop, which I understand is a problem with most loopers. The new manual that I just received with the software has a section on getting a good seamless, droning loop going, but I haven't tried it yet. I'll report back. The new software seems to deliver as promised. You can do sequential loops and different types of synched loops. You can also do up to 4 independent loops that you can start and stop independently of the others. You can stack on those, of course. The input levels are far less finicky than on the 'Rang II. It adjusts completely automatically, and it seems to be extremely forgiving. Overall this is a superb machine IMO ...BUT... I NEED more footswitches. I hope some of that was useful for you. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sjaak Overgaauw" To: Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Rang III Software Ver 2.0 > Can anyone tell something about the audio and build quality of the > Rang III? Thanks. > > -- > Sjaak Overgaauw > http://premonitionfactory.com/ > http://livelooping.be/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 03:51:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B63D3BE87; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 03:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Rang III Software Ver 2.0 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:49:47 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 141.151.136.167 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32679-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD2A7BD4503E4C-1EF0-109F9@webmail-m008.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 03:51:47 +0000 (UTC) =C2=A0 I hope some of that was useful for you.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brian=C2=A0 =C2=A0 thanks for the review brian!.....anyone going to be using RANG lll=20 @Y2KX?=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 04:01:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D8163BE8A; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 04:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Rang III Software Ver 2.0 References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> From: "Johnfloridis.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A400) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2E490ACA-98C2-49FB-92F0-95BAC432710F@johnfloridis.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:01:11 -0600 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A400) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 04:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Excellent review Brian. Does anyone know if the new units come with the new s= oftware already installed? John Floridis On Sep 24, 2010, at 8:02 PM, "Brian Carabee" wrote: > If you're referring to the physical build quality, it's a tank. The only p= otential weakness might be the knobs on the pots. They stick up kind of high= , which makes them very easy to use, but they are exposed and since they are= high or "tall", a good kick or hit could conceivably break one. So far so g= ood, though. I gig with mine a lot and have had no mishaps. I don't think it= will a problem (knocks head). >=20 > I like the pots as they are of the infinitely-spinning variety with tiny l= ittle d=C3=A9tentes that you can feel as you spin them. The d=C3=A9tentes ar= e in such tiny increments that you can get very fine and accurate adjustment= s out of them. >=20 > The footswitches are the same as on the 'Rang II, and I love them. They ar= e very flat and close to the surface of the unit, and that makes for better a= ccuracy since the travel distance of the switches is very small. >=20 > Overall I am extremely happy with the unit, except that there are way too f= ew foot switches. Obviously they went for a small footprint but at the expen= se of the musician having too choose some functions and not have the others a= vailable without bending down and re-assigning in the middle of your perform= ance. The good news is that they are supposedly working on creating an add-o= n pedal with more switches. >=20 > Sound quality is superb to my ear, far better than the 'Rang II, which is t= o be expected when you look at the specs. It lives up to the printed specs. A= loop of my acoustic guitar playing back sounds almost identical to the orig= inal signal. I could tell the difference if I were blindfolded but certainly= the average listener would not be able to. >=20 > I hear there has been some discussion of people not being able to get a pe= rfectly seamless loop, which I understand is a problem with most loopers. Th= e new manual that I just received with the software has a section on getting= a good seamless, droning loop going, but I haven't tried it yet. I'll repor= t back. >=20 > The new software seems to deliver as promised. You can do sequential loops= and different types of synched loops. You can also do up to 4 independent l= oops that you can start and stop independently of the others. You can stack o= n those, of course. >=20 > The input levels are far less finicky than on the 'Rang II. It adjusts com= pletely automatically, and it seems to be extremely forgiving. >=20 > Overall this is a superb machine IMO ...BUT... I NEED more footswitches. >=20 > I hope some of that was useful for you. >=20 > Brian >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sjaak Overgaauw" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: Rang III Software Ver 2.0 >=20 >=20 >> Can anyone tell something about the audio and build quality of the >> Rang III? Thanks. >>=20 >> --=20 >> Sjaak Overgaauw >> http://premonitionfactory.com/ >> http://livelooping.be/ >>=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 04:16:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AEC73BE8C; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 04:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--14438965 From: richard sales X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:48:42 -0700 Message-Id: <7B38703C-5C4F-4243-98B2-C18EC81C397D@glasswing.com> References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=LgWhHQIt9d9R3wEJ+y/KXOj0QRFctHC046rY+N8xxaY= c=1 sm=0 a=g0u_TLNDQqoA:10 a=XCOojii/DAuONnnIhMMOzw==:17 a=mRc_h1AXAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=njZs8jP-zX9ULFbAuEQA:9 a=Df7QB2pfXbJsCtVNZ9UA:7 a=IMOHdNrKsYVjlH4dKlBB8k6qnwQA:4 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=VW0f4fVttSVoTK_B:21 a=ghpvqeTLJgHwoKh4:21 a=KiffgmFA5bwAcZ0bB1IA:7 a=HrDd5M9dx491xsMZHwizpXwYbF8A:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 04:16:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--14438965 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I'm forwarding this. It's important! I don't think you have to be a = union member to vote. Dear Musician, If you travel on airplanes, you know the hassle of bringing an = instrument. Some airlines are fine with you bringing an instrument, some = aren't. Some will accommodate you on alternate Tuesdays following Ground = Hog's day providing you're wearing their secret decoder ring, and some = will accommodate you if the flight attendant is in a good mood. And some = airlines that weren't a problem last month will demand you check your = guitar the next time you fly. There's also the gig bag/hardshell case issue. If your guitar's in a gig = bag, airlines are more likely to let you put it in the overhead = compartment. But if they refuse to do that and you have to check it, = don't expect your axe to be in one piece when you get off the plane. You = can check the hardshell case, but bringing your guitar in a hardshell = case probably eliminates any chance of storing it in the overhead=97if = the airlines indeed allow that. Well, help may be on the way. The American Federation of Musicians has = taken up the cause of musicians who fly to gigs, and Congress is = debating a bill that would specify consistent guidelines for carry-on = instruments. According to the AFM: "If this bill passes, musicians will = be able to carry most musical instruments onboard and place them in the = overhead compartment or in a seat (if a ticket is purchased)." This is = your chance to make your voice heard. Here's a link for signing the = petition: = http://www.afm.org/departments/legislative-office/carrying-instruments-on-= airplanes Until this (hopefully) becomes law, call ahead to the airline and ask = for their policy regarding carrying instruments on planes. If possible, = get this emailed or faxed to you so you have written backup should a = flight attendant balk. If the airline can guarantee that using a gig bag = will let you place it in the overhead, fine. Otherwise, you might need = to pursue the hardshell case/checked baggage route. But, note that the = case that came with your guitar might not be the best possible option. = Case companies like SKB make guitar cases that look like they could = survive a small thermonuclear explosion, and while they're not cheap, = they're cheaper than replacing a vintage guitar. Sign the petition! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-9--14438965 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I'm = forwarding this.  It's important!  I don't think you have to = be a union member to vote.

Dear Musician,

If = you travel on airplanes, you know the hassle of bringing an instrument. = Some airlines are fine with you bringing an instrument, some aren't. = Some will accommodate you on alternate Tuesdays following Ground Hog's = day providing you're wearing their secret decoder ring, and some will = accommodate you if the flight attendant is in a good mood. And some = airlines that weren't a problem last month will demand you check your = guitar the next time you fly.

There's also the gig bag/hardshell = case issue. If your guitar's in a gig bag, airlines are more likely to = let you put it in the overhead compartment. But if they refuse to do = that and you have to check it, don't expect your axe to be in one piece = when you get off the plane. You can check the hardshell case, but = bringing your guitar in a hardshell case probably eliminates any chance = of storing it in the overhead=97if the airlines indeed allow = that.

Well, help may be on the way. The American Federation of = Musicians has taken up the cause of musicians who fly to gigs, and = Congress is debating a bill that would specify consistent guidelines for = carry-on instruments. According to the AFM: "If this bill passes, = musicians will be able to carry most musical instruments onboard and = place them in the overhead compartment or in a seat (if a ticket is = purchased)." This is your chance to make your voice heard. Here's a link = for signing the petition:

http://www.afm.org/departments/legislative-office/carry= ing-instruments-on-airplanes

Until this (hopefully) becomes = law, call ahead to the airline and ask for their policy regarding = carrying instruments on planes. If possible, get this emailed or faxed = to you so you have written backup should a flight attendant balk. If the = airline can guarantee that using a gig bag will let you place it in the = overhead, fine. Otherwise, you might need to pursue the hardshell = case/checked baggage route. But, note that the case that came with your = guitar might not be the best possible option. Case companies like SKB = make guitar cases that look like they could survive a small = thermonuclear explosion, and while they're not cheap, they're cheaper = than replacing a vintage guitar.

Sign the petition!
richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
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= --Apple-Mail-9--14438965-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 05:14:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C61973BE8C; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 05:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9B099D72-6C37-4C84-B89E-F6A36516C22A@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Revfever Subject: semi-OT: Bob Ostertag Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:14:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host5.webserveralpha.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ubergadget.com Resent-Message-ID: <6Nv4NB.A.2aB.3UYnMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 05:14:31 +0000 (UTC) I have recently been reading "Creative Life: Music, Politics, People, and Machines" by Bob Ostertag. This is an excellent book and comes highly REVcommended. It was released in Sept / 2009, so copies should still be easily obtainable. (hopefully) Ostertag is truly a "Renaissance man". Cheers, Rev. Fever Portland,OR http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 05:41:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CBD93BE85; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 05:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> <22926073.22875.1285388348297.JavaMail.root@m01> In-Reply-To: <22926073.22875.1285388348297.JavaMail.root@m01> Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:41:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0227_01CB5C41.FAA8B0A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 05:41:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0227_01CB5C41.FAA8B0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am through with the BS. I have a $6K jazz archtop guitar, and there is = no way any airline is going to have space for this in an overhead or in = their private closets. And I am not checking it in or paying for a seat = for it....I defer to the YouTube video, United Breaks Guitars. :) I am = driving to San Franciso and Santa Cruz for Y2K, and to Seattle and = Portland for other gigs. I may have to by a Prius to afford the = travel, but oh well. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 I'm forwarding this. It's important! I don't think you have to be a = union member to vote. Dear Musician, If you travel on airplanes, you know the hassle of bringing an = instrument. Some airlines are fine with you bringing an instrument, some = aren't. Some will accommodate you on alternate Tuesdays following Ground = Hog's day providing you're wearing their secret decoder ring, and some = will accommodate you if the flight attendant is in a good mood. And some = airlines that weren't a problem last month will demand you check your = guitar the next time you fly. There's also the gig bag/hardshell case issue. If your guitar's in a = gig bag, airlines are more likely to let you put it in the overhead = compartment. But if they refuse to do that and you have to check it, = don't expect your axe to be in one piece when you get off the plane. You = can check the hardshell case, but bringing your guitar in a hardshell = case probably eliminates any chance of storing it in the overhead=97if = the airlines indeed allow that. Well, help may be on the way. The American Federation of Musicians has = taken up the cause of musicians who fly to gigs, and Congress is = debating a bill that would specify consistent guidelines for carry-on = instruments. According to the AFM: "If this bill passes, musicians will = be able to carry most musical instruments onboard and place them in the = overhead compartment or in a seat (if a ticket is purchased)." This is = your chance to make your voice heard. Here's a link for signing the = petition: = http://www.afm.org/departments/legislative-office/carrying-instruments-on= -airplanes Until this (hopefully) becomes law, call ahead to the airline and ask = for their policy regarding carrying instruments on planes. If possible, = get this emailed or faxed to you so you have written backup should a = flight attendant balk. If the airline can guarantee that using a gig bag = will let you place it in the overhead, fine. Otherwise, you might need = to pursue the hardshell case/checked baggage route. But, note that the = case that came with your guitar might not be the best possible option. = Case companies like SKB make guitar cases that look like they could = survive a small thermonuclear explosion, and while they're not cheap, = they're cheaper than replacing a vintage guitar. Sign the petition! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com ------=_NextPart_000_0227_01CB5C41.FAA8B0A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am through with the BS. I have a $6K = jazz archtop=20 guitar, and there is no way any airline is going to have space for this = in an=20 overhead or in their private closets. And I am not checking it in or = paying for=20 a seat for it....I defer to the YouTube video, United Breaks Guitars.=20 :)   I am driving to San Franciso and Santa Cruz for Y2K, and = to=20 Seattle and Portland for other gigs.   I may have to by a = Prius to=20 afford the travel, but oh well.

Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 

I'm forwarding this.  It's important!  I = don't think=20 you have to be a union member to vote.

Dear Musician,

If you travel on airplanes, you know the = hassle of=20 bringing an instrument. Some airlines are fine with you bringing an=20 instrument, some aren't. Some will accommodate you on alternate = Tuesdays=20 following Ground Hog's day providing you're wearing their secret = decoder ring,=20 and some will accommodate you if the flight attendant is in a good = mood. And=20 some airlines that weren't a problem last month will demand you check = your=20 guitar the next time you fly.

There's also the gig = bag/hardshell case=20 issue. If your guitar's in a gig bag, airlines are more likely to let = you put=20 it in the overhead compartment. But if they refuse to do that and you = have to=20 check it, don't expect your axe to be in one piece when you get off = the plane.=20 You can check the hardshell case, but bringing your guitar in a = hardshell case=20 probably eliminates any chance of storing it in the overhead=97if the = airlines=20 indeed allow that.

Well, help may be on the way. The American=20 Federation of Musicians has taken up the cause of musicians who fly to = gigs,=20 and Congress is debating a bill that would specify consistent = guidelines for=20 carry-on instruments. According to the AFM: "If this bill passes, = musicians=20 will be able to carry most musical instruments onboard and place them = in the=20 overhead compartment or in a seat (if a ticket is purchased)." This is = your=20 chance to make your voice heard. Here's a link for signing the=20 petition:

http://www.afm.org/departments/legislative-office/car= rying-instruments-on-airplanes

Until=20 this (hopefully) becomes law, call ahead to the airline and ask for = their=20 policy regarding carrying instruments on planes. If possible, get this = emailed=20 or faxed to you so you have written backup should a flight attendant = balk. If=20 the airline can guarantee that using a gig bag will let you place it = in the=20 overhead, fine. Otherwise, you might need to pursue the hardshell = case/checked=20 baggage route. But, note that the case that came with your guitar = might not be=20 the best possible option. Case companies like SKB make guitar cases = that look=20 like they could survive a small thermonuclear explosion, and while = they're not=20 cheap, they're cheaper than replacing a vintage guitar.

Sign = the=20 petition!
richard = sales
www.glasswing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com

=

=
------=_NextPart_000_0227_01CB5C41.FAA8B0A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 05:48:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 735C03BE8D; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 05:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 05:48:37 UTC Message-id: <968CBEE8-1596-40C5-9E4D-E6F07D2D67B9@verizon.net> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <2E490ACA-98C2-49FB-92F0-95BAC432710F@johnfloridis.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Rang III Software Ver 2.0 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:49:44 -0500 References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> <2E490ACA-98C2-49FB-92F0-95BAC432710F@johnfloridis.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 05:48:37 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Johnfloridis.com wrote: > Excellent review Brian. Does anyone know if the new units come with > the new software already installed? Apparently, they do. Check out the FAQ on the Boomerang web site. Might be worth calling, though, just to make sure. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 06:28:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 833A83BE8C; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 06:28:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1077e8be-b3e9-428e-a0c4-90bf6227ce1c_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.181.152] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: tech advice - audio interface Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 06:28:14 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4C9D127D.4070602@gmx.de> References: <4C9D127D.4070602@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2010 06:28:15.0314 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5D01320:01CB5C7A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 06:28:16 +0000 (UTC) --_1077e8be-b3e9-428e-a0c4-90bf6227ce1c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nadia=2C=20 I use the Saffire pro 40 soundcard for the 7 outputs from my guitar and can= recommend it. It's really clean to my ears and critically for me=2C has a = master volume control=2C ( handy if you don't carry a separate mixer around= ) I'm curious about your plans for a multi channel setup. I've dabbled with a= couple of Leslie cabs but have always fancied a proper surround gig. Peace Gareth Date: Fri=2C 24 Sep 2010 23:05:01 +0200 From: nadia.salom@gmx.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: tech advice - audio interface =20 =20 =20 =20 dear loopers=2C =20 is this the way you would set up a performance with many channels (at least 6 or 8):=20 Audio Interface to macbook with Ableton Live... outputs direct to loudspeakers or mixer...?=20 and if so one would need an interface with more than 4 outputs right? like this one??? http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_fast_track_ultra_8r.htm or http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_profire_610.htm or even=20 http://www.thomann.de/de/focusrite_saffire_pro_40.htm =20 or any recommendations... with my macbook i still have firewire=2C would that be recommendable... this is for live performances ... anything to consider with that? actually I do a live mix directly from the computer during the performance using midi controllers in ableton.. so this is a plausible solution right?????? =20 best nadia=20 =20 =20 --=20 =20 http://www.nirmala07.net = --_1077e8be-b3e9-428e-a0c4-90bf6227ce1c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nadia=2C
I use the Saffire pro 40 soundcard for the 7 outputs from m= y guitar and can recommend it. It's really clean to my ears and critically = for me=2C has a master volume control=2C ( handy if you don't carry a separ= ate mixer around)
I'm curious about your plans for a multi channel setup= . I've dabbled with a couple of Leslie cabs but have always fancied a prope= r surround gig.

Peace

Gareth

D= ate: Fri=2C 24 Sep 2010 23:05:01 +0200
From: nadia.salom@gmx.de
To: L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: tech advice - audio interfac= e

=20 =20 =20 =20 dear loopers=2C

is this the way you would set up a performance with many channels (at least 6 or 8):
Audio Interface to macbook with Ableton Live... outputs direct to loudspeakers or mixer...?
and if so one would need an interface with more than 4 outputs right? like this one???
http://www.thomann.de/de/= maudio_fast_track_ultra_8r.htm
or
http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_p= rofire_610.htm
or even
http://www.thomann.de/de/fo= cusrite_saffire_pro_40.htm

or any recommendations... with my macbook i still have firewire=2C would that be recommendable... this is for live performances ... anything to consider with that? actually I do a live mix directly from the computer during the performance using midi controllers in ableton.. so this is a plausible solution right??????

best
nadia


--

http://www.nirmala07.net

= --_1077e8be-b3e9-428e-a0c4-90bf6227ce1c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 08:51:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDA803BE89; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 08:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #39505143 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+QWm5v8Z6Qgk6zCYtAPzRndnz7ApyviSIcG7JfVj VtaW8ssgD/EsU/ Message-ID: <4C9DB807.5050900@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:51:19 +0200 From: Nadia Salom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tech advice - audio interface References: <4C9D127D.4070602@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040004060100040403000606" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 08:51:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040004060100040403000606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The saffire looks best for me too. The REM box that Per suggested are out of my price range...unfortunatley. I have been using a M-Audio Fasttrack Pro that I can borrow from school, but it only has 4 outputs. I set up differently in different situations, but like to have several sources of sound to create a more spatial experience. Though I havent had the chance yet to create a longer live sound installation w a duration performance. we'll see.... good to know that a firewire interface is better... thanks Nadia Am 25.09.10 08:28, schrieb Gareth Whittock: > Hi Nadia, > I use the Saffire pro 40 soundcard for the 7 outputs from my guitar > and can recommend it. It's really clean to my ears and critically for > me, has a master volume control, ( handy if you don't carry a separate > mixer around) > I'm curious about your plans for a multi channel setup. I've dabbled > with a couple of Leslie cabs but have always fancied a proper surround > gig. > > Peace > > Gareth > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:05:01 +0200 > From: nadia.salom@gmx.de > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: tech advice - audio interface > > dear loopers, > > is this the way you would set up a performance with many channels (at > least 6 or 8): > Audio Interface to macbook with Ableton Live... outputs direct to > loudspeakers or mixer...? > and if so one would need an interface with more than 4 outputs right? > like this one??? > http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_fast_track_ultra_8r.htm > or > http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_profire_610.htm > or even > http://www.thomann.de/de/focusrite_saffire_pro_40.htm > > or any recommendations... with my macbook i still have firewire, would > that be recommendable... this is for live performances ... anything to > consider with that? actually I do a live mix directly from the > computer during the performance using midi controllers in ableton.. so > this is a plausible solution right?????? > > best > nadia > > > -- > > http://www.nirmala07.net > -- http://www.nirmala07.net --------------040004060100040403000606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The saffire looks best for me too. The REM box that Per suggested are out of my price range...unfortunatley.  I have been using a M-Audio Fasttrack Pro that I can borrow from school, but it only has 4 outputs. I set up differently in different situations, but like to have several sources of sound to create a more spatial experience. Though I havent had the chance yet to create a longer live sound installation w a duration performance. we'll see....
good to know that a firewire interface is better...
thanks
Nadia
Am 25.09.10 08:28, schrieb Gareth Whittock:
Hi Nadia,
I use the Saffire pro 40 soundcard for the 7 outputs from my guitar and can recommend it. It's really clean to my ears and critically for me, has a master volume control, ( handy if you don't carry a separate mixer around)
I'm curious about your plans for a multi channel setup. I've dabbled with a couple of Leslie cabs but have always fancied a proper surround gig.

Peace

Gareth

Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:05:01 +0200
From: nadia.salom@gmx.de
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: tech advice - audio interface

dear loopers,

is this the way you would set up a performance with many channels (at least 6 or 8):
Audio Interface to macbook with Ableton Live... outputs direct to loudspeakers or mixer...?
and if so one would need an interface with more than 4 outputs right? like this one???
http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_fast_track_ultra_8r.htm
or
http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_profire_610.htm
or even
http://www.thomann.de/de/focusrite_saffire_pro_40.htm

or any recommendations... with my macbook i still have firewire, would that be recommendable... this is for live performances ... anything to consider with that? actually I do a live mix directly from the computer during the performance using midi controllers in ableton.. so this is a plausible solution right??????

best
nadia


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--------------040004060100040403000606-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 09:50:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D1C63BE8A; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4965B181D7C04450BC01AD13CFE503B9@ELUK1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> <7B38703C-5C4F-4243-98B2-C18EC81C397D@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <7B38703C-5C4F-4243-98B2-C18EC81C397D@glasswing.com> Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:50:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01CB5C9F.7E8B87A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:50:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CB5C9F.7E8B87A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ?Thanks Richard! Posted on my FB page. From: richard sales=20 Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very = relevant! I'm forwarding this. It's important! I don't think you have to be a = union member to vote.=20 Dear Musician, If you travel on airplanes, you know the hassle of bringing an = instrument. Some airlines are fine with you bringing an instrument, some = aren't. Some will accommodate you on alternate Tuesdays following Ground = Hog's day providing you're wearing their secret decoder ring, and some = will accommodate you if the flight attendant is in a good mood. And some = airlines that weren't a problem last month will demand you check your = guitar the next time you fly. There's also the gig bag/hardshell case issue. If your guitar's in a gig = bag, airlines are more likely to let you put it in the overhead = compartment. But if they refuse to do that and you have to check it, = don't expect your axe to be in one piece when you get off the plane. You = can check the hardshell case, but bringing your guitar in a hardshell = case probably eliminates any chance of storing it in the overhead=97if = the airlines indeed allow that. Well, help may be on the way. The American Federation of Musicians has = taken up the cause of musicians who fly to gigs, and Congress is = debating a bill that would specify consistent guidelines for carry-on = instruments. According to the AFM: "If this bill passes, musicians will = be able to carry most musical instruments onboard and place them in the = overhead compartment or in a seat (if a ticket is purchased)." This is = your chance to make your voice heard. Here's a link for signing the = petition: http://www.afm.org/departments/legislative-office/carrying-instruments-on= -airplanes Until this (hopefully) becomes law, call ahead to the airline and ask = for their policy regarding carrying instruments on planes. If possible, = get this emailed or faxed to you so you have written backup should a = flight attendant balk. If the airline can guarantee that using a gig bag = will let you place it in the overhead, fine. Otherwise, you might need = to pursue the hardshell case/checked baggage route. But, note that the = case that came with your guitar might not be the best possible option. = Case companies like SKB make guitar cases that look like they could = survive a small thermonuclear explosion, and while they're not cheap, = they're cheaper than replacing a vintage guitar. Sign the petition! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CB5C9F.7E8B87A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Richard!  Posted on my FB = page.

Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:48 AM
Subject: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool = and very=20 relevant!

I'm forwarding this.  It's important!  I don't = think=20 you have to be a union member to vote.=20

Dear Musician,

If you travel on airplanes, you know the = hassle of=20 bringing an instrument. Some airlines are fine with you bringing an = instrument,=20 some aren't. Some will accommodate you on alternate Tuesdays following = Ground=20 Hog's day providing you're wearing their secret decoder ring, and some = will=20 accommodate you if the flight attendant is in a good mood. And some = airlines=20 that weren't a problem last month will demand you check your guitar the = next=20 time you fly.

There's also the gig bag/hardshell case issue. If = your=20 guitar's in a gig bag, airlines are more likely to let you put it in the = overhead compartment. But if they refuse to do that and you have to = check it,=20 don't expect your axe to be in one piece when you get off the plane. You = can=20 check the hardshell case, but bringing your guitar in a hardshell case = probably=20 eliminates any chance of storing it in the overhead=97if the airlines = indeed allow=20 that.

Well, help may be on the way. The American Federation of = Musicians=20 has taken up the cause of musicians who fly to gigs, and Congress is = debating a=20 bill that would specify consistent guidelines for carry-on instruments.=20 According to the AFM: "If this bill passes, musicians will be able to = carry most=20 musical instruments onboard and place them in the overhead compartment = or in a=20 seat (if a ticket is purchased)." This is your chance to make your voice = heard.=20 Here's a link for signing the petition:

http://www.afm.org/departments/legislative-office/car= rying-instruments-on-airplanes

Until=20 this (hopefully) becomes law, call ahead to the airline and ask for = their policy=20 regarding carrying instruments on planes. If possible, get this emailed = or faxed=20 to you so you have written backup should a flight attendant balk. If the = airline=20 can guarantee that using a gig bag will let you place it in the = overhead, fine.=20 Otherwise, you might need to pursue the hardshell case/checked baggage = route.=20 But, note that the case that came with your guitar might not be the best = possible option. Case companies like SKB make guitar cases that look = like they=20 could survive a small thermonuclear explosion, and while they're not = cheap,=20 they're cheaper than replacing a vintage guitar.

Sign the = petition!
richard = sales
www.glasswing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com


=
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CB5C9F.7E8B87A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 10:11:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F5153BE87; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KUyvk5h1e5UlwjhEY/U9tw)" X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1009250026 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.0.10011,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-09-25_04:2010-09-25,2010-09-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Message-id: <6690BFD4F3FC480EACE76C18F5C3C28D@NORBY11> From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> <7B38703C-5C4F-4243-98B2-C18EC81C397D@glasswing.com> <4965B181D7C04450BC01AD13CFE503B9@ELUK1> Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 03:10:56 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:11:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_KUyvk5h1e5UlwjhEY/U9tw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I've shipped a lot of guitars and I don't know how much worse airline = guys will treat them compared to UPS. I do know my Ibanez Jem was = literally thrown on a baggage cart once--my ride to the airport saw it. = I do know what will make a guitar break--if it is not packed snugly and = immobilized in a hard case. (headstock/neck are prime candidates, = especially if there is an angled headstock). Perhaps packing well and = pretending like the guitar is being shipped(with peanuts around the = case) and in a box might be an improvement if that is possible. toby ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Goodman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 2:50 AM Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very = relevant! Thanks Richard! Posted on my FB page. From: richard sales=20 Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very = relevant! I'm forwarding this. It's important! I don't think you have to be a = union member to vote.=20 Dear Musician, If you travel on airplanes, you know the hassle of bringing an = instrument. Some airlines are fine with you bringing an instrument, some = aren't. Some will accommodate you on alternate Tuesdays following Ground = Hog's day providing you're wearing their secret decoder ring, and some = will accommodate you if the flight attendant is in a good mood. And some = airlines that weren't a problem last month will demand you check your = guitar the next time you fly. There's also the gig bag/hardshell case issue. If your guitar's in a = gig bag, airlines are more likely to let you put it in the overhead = compartment. But if they refuse to do that and you have to check it, = don't expect your axe to be in one piece when you get off the plane. You = can check the hardshell case, but bringing your guitar in a hardshell = case probably eliminates any chance of storing it in the overhead=97if = the airlines indeed allow that. Well, help may be on the way. The American Federation of Musicians has = taken up the cause of musicians who fly to gigs, and Congress is = debating a bill that would specify consistent guidelines for carry-on = instruments. According to the AFM: "If this bill passes, musicians will = be able to carry most musical instruments onboard and place them in the = overhead compartment or in a seat (if a ticket is purchased)." This is = your chance to make your voice heard. Here's a link for signing the = petition: = http://www.afm.org/departments/legislative-office/carrying-instruments-on= -airplanes Until this (hopefully) becomes law, call ahead to the airline and ask = for their policy regarding carrying instruments on planes. If possible, = get this emailed or faxed to you so you have written backup should a = flight attendant balk. If the airline can guarantee that using a gig bag = will let you place it in the overhead, fine. Otherwise, you might need = to pursue the hardshell case/checked baggage route. But, note that the = case that came with your guitar might not be the best possible option. = Case companies like SKB make guitar cases that look like they could = survive a small thermonuclear explosion, and while they're not cheap, = they're cheaper than replacing a vintage guitar. Sign the petition! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Boundary_(ID_KUyvk5h1e5UlwjhEY/U9tw) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
I've shipped a lot of guitars and I = don't know how=20 much worse airline guys will treat them compared to UPS.  I do know = my=20 Ibanez Jem was literally thrown on a baggage cart once--my ride to the = airport=20 saw it.  I do know what will make a guitar break--if it is not = packed=20 snugly and immobilized in a hard case. (headstock/neck are prime=20 candidates, especially if there is an angled headstock). Perhaps = packing=20 well and pretending like the guitar is being shipped(with peanuts around = the=20 case) and in a box might be an improvement if that is = possible.
 
toby
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stephen Goodman
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, September 25, = 2010 2:50=20 AM
Subject: Re: Carrying = instruments on=20 airplanes - this is cool and very relevant!

Thanks Richard!  Posted on my FB=20 page.

Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:48 AM
Subject: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool = and very=20 relevant!

I'm forwarding this.  It's important!  I = don't think=20 you have to be a union member to vote.=20

Dear Musician,

If you travel on airplanes, you know the = hassle of=20 bringing an instrument. Some airlines are fine with you bringing an=20 instrument, some aren't. Some will accommodate you on alternate = Tuesdays=20 following Ground Hog's day providing you're wearing their secret = decoder ring,=20 and some will accommodate you if the flight attendant is in a good = mood. And=20 some airlines that weren't a problem last month will demand you check = your=20 guitar the next time you fly.

There's also the gig = bag/hardshell case=20 issue. If your guitar's in a gig bag, airlines are more likely to let = you put=20 it in the overhead compartment. But if they refuse to do that and you = have to=20 check it, don't expect your axe to be in one piece when you get off = the plane.=20 You can check the hardshell case, but bringing your guitar in a = hardshell case=20 probably eliminates any chance of storing it in the overhead=97if the = airlines=20 indeed allow that.

Well, help may be on the way. The American=20 Federation of Musicians has taken up the cause of musicians who fly to = gigs,=20 and Congress is debating a bill that would specify consistent = guidelines for=20 carry-on instruments. According to the AFM: "If this bill passes, = musicians=20 will be able to carry most musical instruments onboard and place them = in the=20 overhead compartment or in a seat (if a ticket is purchased)." This is = your=20 chance to make your voice heard. Here's a link for signing the=20 petition:

http://www.afm.org/departments/legislative-office/car= rying-instruments-on-airplanes

Until=20 this (hopefully) becomes law, call ahead to the airline and ask for = their=20 policy regarding carrying instruments on planes. If possible, get this = emailed=20 or faxed to you so you have written backup should a flight attendant = balk. If=20 the airline can guarantee that using a gig bag will let you place it = in the=20 overhead, fine. Otherwise, you might need to pursue the hardshell = case/checked=20 baggage route. But, note that the case that came with your guitar = might not be=20 the best possible option. Case companies like SKB make guitar cases = that look=20 like they could survive a small thermonuclear explosion, and while = they're not=20 cheap, they're cheaper than replacing a vintage guitar.

Sign = the=20 petition!
richard = sales
www.glasswing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com

=

=
--Boundary_(ID_KUyvk5h1e5UlwjhEY/U9tw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 11:37:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C19643BE85; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 11:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b0daf024-3636-42c4-8d96-c6dcfb71e738_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.181.152] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: tech advice - audio interface Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 11:37:28 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4C9DB807.5050900@gmx.de> References: <4C9D127D.4070602@gmx.de> ,<4C9DB807.5050900@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2010 11:37:29.0056 (UTC) FILETIME=[08B46E00:01CB5CA6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 11:37:30 +0000 (UTC) --_b0daf024-3636-42c4-8d96-c6dcfb71e738_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whenever I'm thinking about buying a new piece of gear I always google the = model number followed by the word "problems". This can throw up issues befo= re you commit. I learned this from a Presonus firebox which I had to send b= ack eventually.. I heard macs are not supporting firewire for much longer - is this true any= one? Peace G Date: Sat=2C 25 Sep 2010 10:51:19 +0200 From: nadia.salom@gmx.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tech advice - audio interface =20 =20 =20 =20 The saffire looks best for me too. The REM box that Per suggested are out of my price range...unfortunatley. I have been using a M-Audio Fasttrack Pro that I can borrow from school=2C but it only has 4 outputs. I set up differently in different situations=2C but like to have several sources of sound to create a more spatial experience. Though I havent had the chance yet to create a longer live sound installation w a duration performance. we'll see....=20 good to know that a firewire interface is better...=20 thanks Nadia=20 Am 25.09.10 08:28=2C schrieb Gareth Whittock: =20 =20 Hi Nadia=2C=20 I use the Saffire pro 40 soundcard for the 7 outputs from my guitar and can recommend it. It's really clean to my ears and critically for me=2C has a master volume control=2C ( handy if you don't carry a separate mixer around) I'm curious about your plans for a multi channel setup. I've dabbled with a couple of Leslie cabs but have always fancied a proper surround gig. =20 Peace =20 Gareth =20 Date: Fri=2C 24 Sep 2010 23:05:01 +0200 From: nadia.salom@gmx.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: tech advice - audio interface =20 =20 =20 dear loopers=2C =20 is this the way you would set up a performance with many channels (at least 6 or 8):=20 Audio Interface to macbook with Ableton Live... outputs direct to loudspeakers or mixer...?=20 and if so one would need an interface with more than 4 outputs right? like this one??? http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_fast_track_ultra_8r.htm or http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_profire_610.htm or even=20 http://www.thomann.de/de/focusrite_saffire_pro_40.htm =20 or any recommendations... with my macbook i still have firewire=2C would that be recommendable... this is for live performances ... anything to consider with that? actually I do a live mix directly from the computer during the performance using midi controllers in ableton.. so this is a plausible solution right?????? =20 best nadia=20 =20 =20 --=20 =20 http://www.nirmala07.net =20 =20 =20 =20 --=20 =20 http://www.nirmala07.net = --_b0daf024-3636-42c4-8d96-c6dcfb71e738_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whenever I'm thinking about buying a new piece of gear I always google the = model number followed by the word "problems". This can throw up issues befo= re you commit. I learned this from a Presonus firebox which I had to send b= ack eventually..
I heard macs are not supporting firewire for much longe= r - is this true anyone?

Peace

G

Date: Sat=2C 25 Sep 2010 10:51:19 +0200
From: nadia.salom@gmx.de
T= o: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: tech advice - audio = interface

=20 =20 =20 =20 The saffire looks best for me too. The REM box that Per suggested are out of my price range...unfortunatley. =3B I have been using a M-Audio Fasttrack Pro that I can borrow from school=2C but it only has 4 outputs. I set up differently in different situations=2C but like to have several sources of sound to create a more spatial experience. Though I havent had the chance yet to create a longer live sound installation w a duration performance. we'll see....
good to know that a firewire interface is better...
thanks
Nadia
Am 25.09.10 08:28=2C schrieb Gareth Whittock:
Hi Nadia=2C
I use the Saffire pro 40 soundcard for the 7 outputs from my guitar and can recommend it. It's really clean to my ears and critically for me=2C has a master volume control=2C ( handy if you don't carry a separate mixer around)
I'm curious about your plans for a multi channel setup. I've dabbled with a couple of Leslie cabs but have always fancied a proper surround gig.

Peace

Gareth

Date: Fri=2C 24 Sep 2010 23:05:01 +0200 From: nadia.salom@gmx.de
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: tech advice - audio interface

=20 =20 dear loopers=2C

is this the way you would set up a performance with many channels (at least 6 or 8):
Audio Interface to macbook with Ableton Live... outputs direct to loudspeakers or mixer...?
and if so one would need an interface with more than 4 outputs right? like this one???
http://www.thomann.de/d= e/maudio_fast_track_ultra_8r.htm
or
http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio= _profire_610.htm
or even
http://www.thomann.de/de/= focusrite_saffire_pro_40.htm

or any recommendations... with my macbook i still have firewire=2C would that be recommendable... this is for live performances ... anything to consider with that? actually I do a live mix directly from the computer during the performance using midi controllers in ableton.. so this is a plausible solution right??????

best
nadia


--

http://www.nirmala07.net



--

http://www.nirmala07.net

= --_b0daf024-3636-42c4-8d96-c6dcfb71e738_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 13:40:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB4BC3BE8A; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=y9wSzofVU4FVSGYziOfFxcgkRDmAyKh4eIocJm1c5P0=; b=Jeb2prh6/Rz+SMMH+DOuqHeC+2spLYNDfE4GZT8U2bgNWWlPvp5ywEXm4qP9v49DAG 7hE55zg6ZD8+pqA5lXZzEoIKB1wR8Vilq1IueOEMtbd/CkurbDAgU7l6SYvxSIDYR043 gntecEkjgxIFjPP0tcO8S8N+xav0Oxm3vgLXM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=BQ5UxE5iGVL+Btxr9F2bQnwachaanXlBFTIdi/iRrUWPPPSSUTRsp9rC/IAcGiuphM Mc9pOpiereQRa70hcawgplSl7AwNMSCg1Gk/ygGSXm6hRWBLK+PugAvmSVuVGDnokKdZ yWcN2znnwY3Rhd0L2evjIPPtS+WUvcP6E4J9w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <6690BFD4F3FC480EACE76C18F5C3C28D@NORBY11> References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> <7B38703C-5C4F-4243-98B2-C18EC81C397D@glasswing.com> <4965B181D7C04450BC01AD13CFE503B9@ELUK1> <6690BFD4F3FC480EACE76C18F5C3C28D@NORBY11> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:40:31 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: LUC86UzrU_LwFORR0ooLWbgBGLk Message-ID: Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d975c79ab57b049115a30d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:40:34 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d975c79ab57b049115a30d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too have seen my guitar case thrown 4 feet onto a baggage cart. I hate those f*cking baggage handlers. I've signed the petition;.But the overall sentiment is right here, about guitars: it's a rare guitar that will fit in an overhead rack, and checking it is like shipping it, with all the attendant risk and care in packing that is necessary. I'm not happy about it, but that's the situation. In the "old days" (mid to late 70s) I used to be able to walk onto a plane with a gig bag or one of those flimsy but small cardboard cases and, on som= e airlines (ironically, United was usually *good* about this) count on gettin= g it stored in one of the closets. But soon the garment bags of the business travelers pre-empted all that space (grid forbid a suit gets wrinkled), and probably more people wanted to start carrying instruments, too. When I traveled to Y2K9, I shipped my equipment over in 2 boxes via UPS ahead of time. But it was not cheap. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Toby G wrote: > I've shipped a lot of guitars and I don't know how much worse airline > guys will treat them compared to UPS. I do know my Ibanez Jem was litera= lly > thrown on a baggage cart once--my ride to the airport saw it. I do know > what will make a guitar break--if it is not packed snugly and immobilized= in > a hard case. (headstock/neck are prime candidates, especially if there is= an > angled headstock). Perhaps packing well and pretending like the guitar is > being shipped(with peanuts around the case) and in a box might be an > improvement if that is possible. > > toby > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Stephen Goodman > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2010 2:50 AM > *Subject:* Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very > relevant! > > Thanks Richard! Posted on my FB page. > > *From:* richard sales > *Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:48 AM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very > relevant! > > I'm forwarding this. It's important! I don't think you have to be a uni= on > member to vote. > > Dear Musician, > > If you travel on airplanes, you know the hassle of bringing an instrument= . > Some airlines are fine with you bringing an instrument, some aren't. Some > will accommodate you on alternate Tuesdays following Ground Hog's day > providing you're wearing their secret decoder ring, and some will > accommodate you if the flight attendant is in a good mood. And some airli= nes > that weren't a problem last month will demand you check your guitar the n= ext > time you fly. > > There's also the gig bag/hardshell case issue. If your guitar's in a gig > bag, airlines are more likely to let you put it in the overhead compartme= nt. > But if they refuse to do that and you have to check it, don't expect your > axe to be in one piece when you get off the plane. You can check the > hardshell case, but bringing your guitar in a hardshell case probably > eliminates any chance of storing it in the overhead=97if the airlines ind= eed > allow that. > > Well, help may be on the way. The American Federation of Musicians has > taken up the cause of musicians who fly to gigs, and Congress is debating= a > bill that would specify consistent guidelines for carry-on instruments. > According to the AFM: "If this bill passes, musicians will be able to car= ry > most musical instruments onboard and place them in the overhead compartme= nt > or in a seat (if a ticket is purchased)." This is your chance to make you= r > voice heard. Here's a link for signing the petition: > > > http://www.afm.org/departments/legislative-office/carrying-instruments-on= -airplanes > > Until this (hopefully) becomes law, call ahead to the airline and ask for > their policy regarding carrying instruments on planes. If possible, get t= his > emailed or faxed to you so you have written backup should a flight attend= ant > balk. If the airline can guarantee that using a gig bag will let you plac= e > it in the overhead, fine. Otherwise, you might need to pursue the hardshe= ll > case/checked baggage route. But, note that the case that came with your > guitar might not be the best possible option. Case companies like SKB mak= e > guitar cases that look like they could survive a small thermonuclear > explosion, and while they're not cheap, they're cheaper than replacing a > vintage guitar. > > Sign the petition! > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > > > > --=20 Warren http://www.warrensirota.com Latest CD: Loops, Live & Otw http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota --0016e6d975c79ab57b049115a30d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too have seen my guitar case thrown 4 feet onto a baggage cart. I hate th= ose f*cking baggage handlers. I've signed the petition;.But the overall= sentiment is right here, about guitars: it's a rare guitar that will f= it in an overhead rack, and checking it is like shipping it, with all the a= ttendant risk and care in packing that is necessary. I'm not happy abou= t it, but that's the situation.

In the "old days" (mid to late 70s) I used to be a= ble to walk onto a plane with a gig bag or one of those flimsy but small ca= rdboard cases and, on some airlines (ironically, United was usually *good* = about this) count on getting it stored in one of the closets. But soon the = garment bags of the business travelers pre-empted all that space (grid forb= id a suit gets wrinkled), and probably more people wanted to start carrying= instruments, too.=A0

When I traveled to Y2K9, I shipped my equipment over in= 2 boxes via UPS ahead of time. But it was not cheap.

<= div>
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Toby G = <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:
I've shipped a lot of guitars and = I don't know how=20 much worse airline guys will treat them compared to UPS.=A0 I do know my=20 Ibanez Jem was literally thrown on a baggage cart once--my ride to the airp= ort=20 saw it.=A0 I do know what will make a guitar break--if it is not packed=20 snugly and immobilized in a hard case.=A0(headstock/neck are prime=20 candidates, especially if there is an angled headstock).=A0Perhaps packing= =20 well and pretending like the guitar is being shipped(with peanuts around th= e=20 case) and in a box might be an improvement if that is possible.
=A0
toby
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 2:50=20 AM
Subject: Re: Carrying instruments o= n=20 airplanes - this is cool and very relevant!

Thanks Richard!=A0 Posted on my FB=20 page.

Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:48 AM
Subject: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and= very=20 relevant!

I'm forwarding this. =A0It's important! =A0I don&#= 39;t think=20 you have to be a union member to vote.=20

Dear Musician,

If you travel on airplanes, you know the hassl= e of=20 bringing an instrument. Some airlines are fine with you bringing an=20 instrument, some aren't. Some will accommodate you on alternate Tuesd= ays=20 following Ground Hog's day providing you're wearing their secret = decoder ring,=20 and some will accommodate you if the flight attendant is in a good mood. = And=20 some airlines that weren't a problem last month will demand you check= your=20 guitar the next time you fly.

There's also the gig bag/hardshe= ll case=20 issue. If your guitar's in a gig bag, airlines are more likely to let= you put=20 it in the overhead compartment. But if they refuse to do that and you hav= e to=20 check it, don't expect your axe to be in one piece when you get off t= he plane.=20 You can check the hardshell case, but bringing your guitar in a hardshell= case=20 probably eliminates any chance of storing it in the overhead=97if the air= lines=20 indeed allow that.

Well, help may be on the way. The American=20 Federation of Musicians has taken up the cause of musicians who fly to gi= gs,=20 and Congress is debating a bill that would specify consistent guidelines = for=20 carry-on instruments. According to the AFM: "If this bill passes, mu= sicians=20 will be able to carry most musical instruments onboard and place them in = the=20 overhead compartment or in a seat (if a ticket is purchased)." This = is your=20 chance to make your voice heard. Here's a link for signing the=20 petition:

http://www.afm.or= g/departments/legislative-office/carrying-instruments-on-airplanes

Until=20 this (hopefully) becomes law, call ahead to the airline and ask for their= =20 policy regarding carrying instruments on planes. If possible, get this em= ailed=20 or faxed to you so you have written backup should a flight attendant balk= . If=20 the airline can guarantee that using a gig bag will let you place it in t= he=20 overhead, fine. Otherwise, you might need to pursue the hardshell case/ch= ecked=20 baggage route. But, note that the case that came with your guitar might n= ot be=20 the best possible option. Case companies like SKB make guitar cases that = look=20 like they could survive a small thermonuclear explosion, and while they&#= 39;re not=20 cheap, they're cheaper than replacing a vintage guitar.

Sign t= he=20 petition!




--
Warren
http://www.warrensirota.com
Latest CD: Loops, Live & Otw
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/warrensirota=
--0016e6d975c79ab57b049115a30d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 14:37:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C40593BE87; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=t4Plh55R2wHFTZxOiwsM8K+FWcj/+dd++kXu2jYbNGU=; b=J0FK3RASAE9XRvGa3BT9PKnEe5q8yvcvTDU1C2sGE9Jwa/2ByybNUf29LGn/KMJ6Ok SrCceYPW5+TEtvrwYno8XZpLQvOE3Br6tQ7Tm78DKCSluK+o/tRAM/EGlpCowD0wdl5t u5qpJho78UxmS8bGfckMMvEiRmTb3fVKg6a8A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=meV9q76hFvlv/58oUMxlagKr1vBh0Wk1kidMbC0l0BcYtSTMPfMw5whTw1i3awUUEI I2xOfbPbaIBBfSnMfcnQyWeMKK9sVFrxaySAJbiF8EIXhA9ogP9C8eDKS8+8lcoLOVHG n+qq/+GjiqtmiVXbt4reMWR6yMk1w5HU/RgsA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1520429408-1285103542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-684575716-@bda386.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <8985FBEC-7F5D-44E3-8D9F-E12E6D872638@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:37:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: eventide following clock From: james fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174ff446571cb90491166fcd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:37:30 +0000 (UTC) --0015174ff446571cb90491166fcd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 unfortunately i have no other means of sending midiclock. lemme see if i can find a friend with a drum machine... - jim On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > have you tested it with something else, like a drum machine...plugged > directly into the eclipse? > > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:09 PM, james fowler wrote: > >> the sequencer is in bidule and doesn't send clock per se. in bidule >> things lock together with "sync" and in order to get midiclock out you have >> to use a module called "sync to midi clock" which generates clock info. >> so...yes, the eventide is getting clock and only clock. when i do give it >> more info it seems to be able to handle cc messages without fucking up >> further, ironically enough. >> >> - jim >> >> --0015174ff446571cb90491166fcd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unfortunately i have no other means of sending midiclock.=A0 lemme see if i= can find a friend with a drum machine...

- jim

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@goo= glemail.com> wrote:
have you tested i= t with something else, like a drum machine...plugged directly into the ecli= pse?


On Fri, Sep= 24, 2010 at 3:09 PM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com> w= rote:
the sequencer is = in bidule and doesn't send clock per se.=A0 in bidule things lock toget= her with "sync" and in order to get midiclock out you have to use= a module called "sync to midi clock" which generates clock info.= =A0 so...yes, the eventide is getting clock and only clock.=A0 when i do gi= ve it more info it seems to be able to handle cc messages without fucking u= p further, ironically enough.

- jim


--0015174ff446571cb90491166fcd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 14:47:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0C6A3BE8C; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3013fb30-e7cd-461a-ad45-1b4797c9f9d9_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.181.152] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:47:10 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office>,,,<7B38703C-5C4F-4243-98B2-C18EC81C397D@glasswing.com>,<4965B181D7C04450BC01AD13CFE503B9@ELUK1>,<6690BFD4F3FC480EACE76C18F5C3C28D@NORBY11>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2010 14:47:12.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[89D0F480:01CB5CC0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:47:13 +0000 (UTC) --_3013fb30-e7cd-461a-ad45-1b4797c9f9d9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I hate those f*cking baggage handlers. I've signed the petition=3B That's a good point - why don't they just sack em when they're caught throw= ing=2C (literally)=2C expensive equipment and instruments around.=20 They're baggage handlers - not baggage chuckers.=20 There are some appalling stories of people picking up damaged instruments a= fter this sort of treatment. Still=2C peace G = --_3013fb30-e7cd-461a-ad45-1b4797c9f9d9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


 =3B>=3B I hate those f*cking bag= gage handlers. I've signed the petition=3B

That's a good point - why= don't they just sack em when they're caught throwing=2C (literally)=2C exp= ensive equipment and instruments around.
They're baggage handlers - not= baggage chuckers.
There are some appalling stories of people picking u= p damaged instruments after this sort of treatment.

Still=2C peace
G
= --_3013fb30-e7cd-461a-ad45-1b4797c9f9d9_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 16:54:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A02E53BE87; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tBNY07aAHz312WNcnTRn2H5jpOTJAuIEOfKjtpwAK0M=; b=kvj3s1xAUlL3CY5paC+mO2O+cGFf6pzqq6GU8gR/t+wX/m08Hf7crebiWlJLHI43Ai 8v14WjmbEgTvgjytWwl4K75HUQeWubQXZv/t+9aCcWHUqpOpatdx3y+zBmOgTEAUNUtz qnUPTqjCJ0rvH462qAl6oHlyzQ0JfUlodFk/M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=EFKvIDwyYVQcgtqS5VUuxJDUqgr7xR9VCaJV21psYHNIdV4RO/7BpTzIQ2kOAP60+V bL9h4W0FHu/JlmCQ1JgFVqc+qMGewQDrfFuMgodoL7yftZ5GZfxr6URYBlQev8ClMO5/ Zhxzi1fCb9e/c/j1tvUAWT3KsXTfHj9MeJoio= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> <7B38703C-5C4F-4243-98B2-C18EC81C397D@glasswing.com> <4965B181D7C04450BC01AD13CFE503B9@ELUK1> <6690BFD4F3FC480EACE76C18F5C3C28D@NORBY11> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:54:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d3422af9eeb70491185726 Resent-Message-ID: <32AKAD.A.oh.ykinMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:54:10 +0000 (UTC) --001636d3422af9eeb70491185726 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been through the mill with this and think about it every time. I've never had anything broken thankfully but have had twice now instruments not make the plane. Last year was the worst going to Y2K. My oud and guitar neither I could get on board Virgin with did not make the flight out of JFK though this was not the only issue. They were delivered to me the next day. The year before one instrument didn't make Jet Blue but came in later and actually made the show that evening. I will say despite whatever negligence in missing the initial flight each airline was hospitable gettin= g it to me as described. I suspect that the gig of a baggage handler is not easy to play devil's advocate here but don't get me wrong I've had plenty of angst about this an= d lots of arguments leading to unnecessary tension. I don't see this improving honestly not to be negative I just think it's part of the 'trip'. I saw a whole similar attempt by the NAMM All Star Guitars lady I can't think of. I just think with profits down and general decline in service under their own stress that the last thing the airlines will do is be benevolent to musicians but again not to be negative. It's worth a try. Jim On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > > > I hate those f*cking baggage handlers. I've signed the petition; > > That's a good point - why don't they just sack em when they're caught > throwing, (literally), expensive equipment and instruments around. > They're baggage handlers - not baggage chuckers. > There are some appalling stories of people picking up damaged instruments > after this sort of treatment. > > Still, peace > > G > --=20 >From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com --001636d3422af9eeb70491185726 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been through the mill with this and think about it every time.=A0 = I've never had anything broken thankfully but have had twice now instru= ments not make the plane.=A0 Last year was the worst going to Y2K.=A0 My ou= d and guitar neither I could get on board Virgin with did not make the flig= ht out of JFK though this was not the only issue.=A0 They were delivered to= me the next day.=A0 The year before one instrument didn't make Jet Blu= e but came in later and actually made the show that evening.=A0 I will say = despite whatever negligence in missing the initial flight each airline was = hospitable getting it to me as described.

I suspect that the gig of a baggage handler is not easy to play devil&#= 39;s advocate here but don't get me wrong I've had plenty of angst = about this and lots of arguments leading to unnecessary tension.=A0 I don&#= 39;t see this improving honestly not to be negative I just think it's p= art of the 'trip'.=A0 I saw a whole similar attempt by the NAMM All= Star Guitars lady I can't think of.=A0 I just think with profits down = and general decline in service under their own stress that the last thing t= he airlines will do is be benevolent to musicians but again not to be negat= ive.=A0 It's worth a try.

Jim

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM,= Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:



=A0> I hate those f*cking baggage hand= lers. I've signed the petition;

That's a good point - = why don't they just sack em when they're caught throwing, (literall= y), expensive equipment and instruments around.
They're baggage handlers - not baggage chuckers.
There are some app= alling stories of people picking up damaged instruments after this sort of = treatment.

Still, peace

G



--
From Brooklyn To Glindr= an, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 P= roceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandca= mp.com.

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--001636d3422af9eeb70491185726-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 17:32:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 442843BE85; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vJE9tA3FRbw6ZeBvP8/pSLZA5ffbInAlWuHlZuGhEGs=; b=KdDrg0EF0x5OQgmwnWDU6dGzzEUHGTwu3vJeXkQP0z9XhYB2hlmqx7UlZWzAkmO++W 672pBXhjCDmELMzbu+oD2qzYkXVzc8tS2j/w77WiftRE2QisT4Ig6oFE1yMB1iGjAK50 F0lw3Usq6s06a/cMx230LuWDW8L9wJy1grHcs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=JV8T99BkmtWQ2lc+vioqhD+jQNSbM4zD78ZApSoUTIPWdDxGyEtZPMBoJqLXR9e0/O P0xEiObcGhTzRfAbGjaBTz3hdpJnO/BWklExxxRyFGvP+UcaoRd8kUlZzatW+dC9l6jk HIXPS3wHwFferlziD38daLbpSNL234L0nsN+A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> <7B38703C-5C4F-4243-98B2-C18EC81C397D@glasswing.com> <4965B181D7C04450BC01AD13CFE503B9@ELUK1> <6690BFD4F3FC480EACE76C18F5C3C28D@NORBY11> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:32:11 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:32:13 +0000 (UTC) I live by these two rules on this matter: 1) Only bring small instruments that fit into your cabin luggage bag. 2) Use a foam diced hard case when checking in an instrument. It seems a hard case diced with foam protects the instruments well enough for checking it in. And these cases are a must for most air travel companies' luggage insurance. They are quite expensive though, so therefore I do not own one. Instead I stick with small instruments when having to fly somewhere. One thing I've been thinking about, regarding guitar, is to use a hard case that is bigger than the instrument and stuff it up with that cheap plastic "air pillows" material. Make sure the guitar can not move inside the case, especially not towards the neck direction! You may put some stopper blocks at the body horns, by the side of where the neck meets the body, to fix the guitar's position. I recently had a guitar sent to me that was very well packed by every aspect except that it had nothing to prevent it to glide upwards. Some UPS staff packed it upside down inside a lorry and on arrival the head stock was bent and the fretboard lose from the neck by the first and second fret. Sad. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 17:53:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E0EF3BE89; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1285437186; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=mXy96eKLSNfExXm26CeyMtdFeqU=; b=IBoqqdwfGRav6rUAMxaLZGq9bMBYzKmddQzfS0esL3hXvhzW4uMWFQvAgIzikna9 J9powv0o0WwlwBR/zNnbYcz+hKLIP4OcdZQGGaFDDb76NrfCGbG/Tha2kMnd3RuE; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=/4qwLja5AEm7fAhZ9xntfPKnuRzeGjmz6YSMSCDxNw8= c=1 sm=0 a=A72EMHVWSfYA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=RFACXqeuRcftB78yd8Y3cg==:17 a=CidIDWQ34F7S8zalSeQA:9 a=33PbszMsyk9oXwwOO_bw6snjgncA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=RFACXqeuRcftB78yd8Y3cg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) From: "ejyuhas" Message-ID: <57.42.01377.0073E9C4@smtp02.embarq.synacor.com> To: Subject: RE: Unexpected - Boysen-Anile collaborative album Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:53:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: thread-index: Actcwt5sU9GqLzkSSYuo1SvqRIamaAAFzTgQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: <0U5U1B.A.xvB.CcjnMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:53:06 +0000 (UTC) I've just purchased and downloaded this collaboration... Once again, beautiful and lush soundscapes from both of you gentlemen! I could only wish to have seen this performed live. May I ask...were there any live video improvisations going on while you played? I can imagine as a great and ever-changing film score... Thanks for the inspiration... Edward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 18:10:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 696253BE87; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wcxegtoUDKE9qn4ZQFUjAlxxkkkGNoSTALtv3jQNiRo=; b=Wrs9haWGHGo2fSMG8xihDWeIXRSdG3KYUBYcmkStVjxonh2Aj3gRMVFBcOoHU6mAU7 kacV8ffilHBD1sOinhJiamPg/rz5JgL5z8LqAUVq4XaqdqDMhxWJn3Xj5QhA9PLDbrU1 Rgtqp5q5vYGhWGXxdMA9UKtiPX8WZiM1VmIDw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=RsijR6c6iJ0duUhzvQlvZnffB3FBGoEgLCS5j89NkLYjKFYGDKTR6uXQWdt0K2Hl2h Oted6oB3VBfSWKoGEwfG73Wx8/ledz5ucJGdERrx/Df8vOvivK5Ht+v6+4FU7lEMdhpB Xbn12tXDX4eEgcrs9AczN0Xo4iOpE4/HzP5e8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57.42.01377.0073E9C4@smtp02.embarq.synacor.com> References: <57.42.01377.0073E9C4@smtp02.embarq.synacor.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:10:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Unexpected - Boysen-Anile collaborative album From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:10:15 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:53 PM, ejyuhas wrote: > May I ask...were there any live video improvisations going on while you > played? > No, but that would have been cool. Anyway, great un-seen movies kept rolling inside our minds as we played... Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 18:24:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACFEE3BE87; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DvKVYwI03Ol1wIYF83DHfo2l9KpY1Yi4UawC8KJT4Og=; b=gO0yPPwFm89CDcuGO6EnQYVMLFOegnZ/rJJnhzeI1vhVIhcpiHbwYJUPrm6rUcO7vv mNu28PbRhTDkMP44OolHGTvM/QmeMmn88CiOOvl8UgjeIqrEzeSuGi1dCYfE0SyQRbTa V44ufp/tZA99W/h5szBlmOwXuvRBvmeWHGL2Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=h1fmA0rjnHDEvv+BtjQtn8axbuk1zQl13ZaTKy3k+IBl1ZTEcKxJObeo6I2JcjI8jV nvwgF4tkGEIQJ6AsXo1K/+cTFpdyr8PjIb4lK0mlscOlyIoeQxEOVVTLAz89HSOxdvHT RJgBZ5c1e6t8rRz97d8+noZLYJHgmrg1yaqjs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:24:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Myself I wasn't able to wait for the delayed shipping date and as I ran into an emergency I picked up the existing Gordius pedal to keep momentum. If someone on the list is getting the SoftStep now it would be nice if you could post your first impressions from a loopist's perspective :-) http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/softstep/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 19:31:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D5F73BE8D; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RjhsoYTXJH/lNyARFVS6ySP+hql8ofg4TxdOX8jOdy0=; b=C6ey8D2v289BSq//C2ojESFXlMJBzopb+P6LSmolLlhPl0gQbwmoY0lp5GR/zBVaRF q3PS3V+zNMrEw/1BIq4BTzvQNkBst2wtxBbcgDpHIyDNYdC8eVmYN7h1mxIqQi+eRzVO Z1+hUst36Z6MmZ+WRSOU/AUvOqHwjlMg7j2tQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=g3d9hUqBLa2ht3O8kqSMCHkfu0jr9qG32+jq7tCg/FNIlhecHaevf8nsgWt2oMiLSg pD6JEFjObJs1WaMCMCumFNbhMxVgb88s0bAuMZOGzIpDt1ZO72SK5fPSInMKAAdFc54p OzQu3AzYIITh6MBvDibBGCz3mUWa3B1Cvt/9E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:31:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: FS: Axon-AX50 board for sale From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Hello, I know there are a few heads on here that may be interested in MIDI guitar orientated gear. I have an axon ax-50 board (without housing, but with adapter, USB cable, software etc.) in good working condition. Please drop me an email if you're interested. Best, Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 19:51:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1D213BE89; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-46928544 From: richard sales X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:51:30 -0700 Message-Id: <509CCDE8-076C-476F-92D5-FB936DD0845C@glasswing.com> References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> <22926073.22875.1285388348297.JavaMail.root@m01> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=+2vzdu/sOlVwvADijnkpmGp1LfEYK5jYYqEgKb3DaeE= c=1 sm=0 a=1ien1EITUJIA:10 a=XCOojii/DAuONnnIhMMOzw==:17 a=-fQJGxptAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=mRc_h1AXAAAA:8 a=ICEEuRe-uXQHzW-0ZRAA:9 a=vJMUHeCIoMVVvzCCeAcA:7 a=yi0GAlvJUYd37-UN5LNPAXexamsA:4 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=2kJRocTSC7gA:10 a=583R-u7hNszvyzL3:21 a=jtnIJyw-ycvpoqce:21 a=3O-ysMnhAAAA:8 a=e5CKw9o_pvAyxgquRGoA:7 a=H2Ij7QcTsEhjI7DEmGKM9EDGdRcA:4 a=i3CL9l_nl-wA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:51:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-46928544 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Yea Kris, I try to drive when I can but it's not always possible. =20 When will they build a bridge to Europe and Asia?=20 Insurance is a must. musicproinsurance.com is good for USA. Socan.ca = for Canada. I had a 1920 Larson Brothers Maurer and beautiful highly figured = brazilian rosewood Martin D35 kaboshed in Puerto Rica (75). Had an ugly = valuable vintage guitar lost in Oakland Airport for an hour, finally = showed up in the middle of nowhere, safe in Anvil case. In Oakland!=20 I have a Jetta wagon. Diesel. Runs great on pure biodiesel when I can = get it (Calif, Wash, OR). Almost 50mpg. They say they can go 300-400K = miles if well maintained. We'll see. I'm at about 150K now! I love driving. Environmentally bad, but it's my traveling monastery - = peace and quiet. I chucked my cell phones a few years back just so I = could enjoy the rolling monastery in peace. =20 Good cases are important. I haven't had anything broken (knock on wood) = since getting good cases. I did have a flight case ruined by baggage = savages leaving it out in the rain too long. The 50 year old amp was = okay, though.=20 Still, I like the idea of hand carrying hardbody electrics etc. It's a = start. richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Sep 24, 2010, at 10:41 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I am through with the BS. I have a $6K jazz archtop guitar, and there = is no way any airline is going to have space for this in an overhead or = in their private closets. And I am not checking it in or paying for a = seat for it....I defer to the YouTube video, United Breaks Guitars. :) = I am driving to San Franciso and Santa Cruz for Y2K, and to Seattle and = Portland for other gigs. I may have to by a Prius to afford the = travel, but oh well. >=20 > Kris > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > =20 >=20 > I'm forwarding this. It's important! I don't think you have to be a = union member to vote. >=20 > Dear Musician, >=20 > If you travel on airplanes, you know the hassle of bringing an = instrument. Some airlines are fine with you bringing an instrument, some = aren't. Some will accommodate you on alternate Tuesdays following Ground = Hog's day providing you're wearing their secret decoder ring, and some = will accommodate you if the flight attendant is in a good mood. And some = airlines that weren't a problem last month will demand you check your = guitar the next time you fly. >=20 > There's also the gig bag/hardshell case issue. If your guitar's in a = gig bag, airlines are more likely to let you put it in the overhead = compartment. But if they refuse to do that and you have to check it, = don't expect your axe to be in one piece when you get off the plane. You = can check the hardshell case, but bringing your guitar in a hardshell = case probably eliminates any chance of storing it in the overhead=97if = the airlines indeed allow that. >=20 > Well, help may be on the way. The American Federation of Musicians has = taken up the cause of musicians who fly to gigs, and Congress is = debating a bill that would specify consistent guidelines for carry-on = instruments. According to the AFM: "If this bill passes, musicians will = be able to carry most musical instruments onboard and place them in the = overhead compartment or in a seat (if a ticket is purchased)." This is = your chance to make your voice heard. Here's a link for signing the = petition: >=20 > = http://www.afm.org/departments/legislative-office/carrying-instruments-on-= airplanes >=20 > Until this (hopefully) becomes law, call ahead to the airline and ask = for their policy regarding carrying instruments on planes. If possible, = get this emailed or faxed to you so you have written backup should a = flight attendant balk. If the airline can guarantee that using a gig bag = will let you place it in the overhead, fine. Otherwise, you might need = to pursue the hardshell case/checked baggage route. But, note that the = case that came with your guitar might not be the best possible option. = Case companies like SKB make guitar cases that look like they could = survive a small thermonuclear explosion, and while they're not cheap, = they're cheaper than replacing a vintage guitar. >=20 > Sign the petition! > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-5-46928544 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Yea Kris, I try to drive when I can but it's not = always possible.  
When will they build a bridge to Europe and = Asia? 
Insurance is a must.  musicproinsurance.com is = good for USA.  Socan.ca for = Canada.
I had a 1920 Larson Brothers Maurer and beautiful = highly figured brazilian rosewood Martin D35 kaboshed in Puerto Rica = (75).  Had an ugly valuable vintage guitar lost in Oakland Airport = for an hour, finally showed up in the middle of nowhere, safe in Anvil = case.  In Oakland! 

I have a Jetta = wagon.  Diesel.  Runs great on pure biodiesel when I can get = it (Calif, Wash, OR).  Almost 50mpg.  They say they can go = 300-400K miles if well maintained.  We'll see.  I'm at about = 150K now!

I love driving.  Environmentally = bad, but it's my traveling monastery - peace and quiet.  I chucked = my cell phones a few years back just so I could enjoy the rolling = monastery in peace.  

Good cases are = important.  I haven't had anything broken (knock on wood) since = getting good cases.  I did have a flight case ruined by baggage = savages leaving it out in the rain too long.  The 50 year old amp = was okay, though. 

Still, I like the idea = of hand carrying hardbody electrics etc.   It's a = start.

richard sales
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On Sep 24, 2010, at 10:41 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:

I am through with the BS. I have a $6K jazz archtop guitar, = and there is no way any airline is going to have space for this in an = overhead or in their private closets. And I am not checking it in or = paying for a seat for it....I defer to the YouTube video, United Breaks = Guitars. :)   I am driving to San Franciso and Santa Cruz for = Y2K, and to Seattle and Portland for other gigs.   I may have = to by a Prius to afford the travel, but oh well.

Kris
 
----- Original Message = -----

http://www.afm.org/departments/legislative-office/carry= ing-instruments-on-airplanes

Until this (hopefully) becomes = law, call ahead to the airline and ask for their policy regarding = carrying instruments on planes. If possible, get this emailed or faxed = to you so you have written backup should a flight attendant balk. If the = airline can guarantee that using a gig bag will let you place it in the = overhead, fine. Otherwise, you might need to pursue the hardshell = case/checked baggage route. But, note that the case that came with your = guitar might not be the best possible option. Case companies like SKB = make guitar cases that look like they could survive a small = thermonuclear explosion, and while they're not cheap, they're cheaper = than replacing a vintage guitar.

Sign the petition!
richard sales
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= --Apple-Mail-5-46928544-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 19:58:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B3CF3BE8B; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:content-type:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :references:to:x-mailer; bh=gEe9IuuX9glEE9cppVBGPA4os6PNoc/IoiDVsDoE58Q=; b=loPtiOfpt/s5pbcwFEHfS/PyW773t7aIu9yaEpcSpXbauqnainHxY7up6hOZPwv3ua 2Cu4XB4FlwQs9YrthPKUkRpUt6L36g+p8TqBeYA2MCowOvG3tO5P9sW+DK29he9DbecN BAupOxrN4+yUnYjM/+Q354nCQQkJlt44JjNhI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=odJAgYeVzMsKFl3cbBizMkob9rBUPxCGujNqNR9vXRxbRBMUFATaS3h39xOWizPn1w TA7DeMyFVE2lL+K3rGlfmzGzr1K9f+Fc7sFeYZ/iD53nEUtRQXhKo8qPxXOswePGSDeI qdnv59FGvTELE37H5pPehEBWo7I+V4f332l1c= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship From: George Matthews In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:58:29 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <10144868-AADB-4DD9-A2A5-A4342068AC46@gmail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:58:43 +0000 (UTC) I got one on the way Per. I will post to the list as soon as I can give = her a good test run.=20 Todd Matthews On Sep 25, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Myself I wasn't able to wait for the delayed shipping date and as I > ran into an emergency I picked up the existing Gordius pedal to keep > momentum. If someone on the list is getting the SoftStep now it would > be nice if you could post your first impressions from a loopist's > perspective :-) >=20 > http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/softstep/ >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 20:01:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 818973BE8C; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 51595 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:01:10 UTC Message-ID: <35BCBD3A876B40B9AA364F309C5C4EBE@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> <22926073.22875.1285388348297.JavaMail.root@m01> <31297396.26683.1285444458139.JavaMail.root@m01> In-Reply-To: <31297396.26683.1285444458139.JavaMail.root@m01> Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:01:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02CC_01CB5CBA.1C603290" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:01:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02CC_01CB5CBA.1C603290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Totally understood...sometimes you just have to bight the bullet I have musicproinsurance as well...though I think they are very = overpriced. Have you investigated whether you can get enhanced home = owners or renter's insurance with the same coverage? I am contemplating getting a new vehicle at the new year...something = that gets better gas mileage than my Jeep Cherokee, but is not ugly as = sin. I won't drive a Prius...they look corny. I like the VWs...I = owned a Passat wagon, which was an excellent car, but not diesel. I may = check out the Jetta diesels. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Yea Kris, I try to drive when I can but it's not always possible. =20 When will they build a bridge to Europe and Asia?=20 Insurance is a must. musicproinsurance.com is good for USA. Socan.ca = for Canada. I had a 1920 Larson Brothers Maurer and beautiful highly figured = brazilian rosewood Martin D35 kaboshed in Puerto Rica (75). Had an ugly = valuable vintage guitar lost in Oakland Airport for an hour, finally = showed up in the middle of nowhere, safe in Anvil case. In Oakland!=20 I have a Jetta wagon. Diesel. Runs great on pure biodiesel when I = can get it (Calif, Wash, OR). Almost 50mpg. They say they can go = 300-400K miles if well maintained. We'll see. I'm at about 150K now! I love driving. Environmentally bad, but it's my traveling monastery = - peace and quiet. I chucked my cell phones a few years back just so I = could enjoy the rolling monastery in peace. =20 Good cases are important. I haven't had anything broken (knock on = wood) since getting good cases. I did have a flight case ruined by = baggage savages leaving it out in the rain too long. The 50 year old = amp was okay, though.=20 Still, I like the idea of hand carrying hardbody electrics etc. It's = a start. richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Sep 24, 2010, at 10:41 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: I am through with the BS. I have a $6K jazz archtop guitar, and = there is no way any airline is going to have space for this in an = overhead or in their private closets. And I am not checking it in or = paying for a seat for it....I defer to the YouTube video, United Breaks = Guitars. :) I am driving to San Franciso and Santa Cruz for Y2K, and = to Seattle and Portland for other gigs. I may have to by a Prius to = afford the travel, but oh well. Kris ----- Original Message ----- I'm forwarding this. It's important! I don't think you have to = be a union member to vote. Dear Musician, If you travel on airplanes, you know the hassle of bringing an = instrument. Some airlines are fine with you bringing an instrument, some = aren't. Some will accommodate you on alternate Tuesdays following Ground = Hog's day providing you're wearing their secret decoder ring, and some = will accommodate you if the flight attendant is in a good mood. And some = airlines that weren't a problem last month will demand you check your = guitar the next time you fly. There's also the gig bag/hardshell case issue. If your guitar's in = a gig bag, airlines are more likely to let you put it in the overhead = compartment. But if they refuse to do that and you have to check it, = don't expect your axe to be in one piece when you get off the plane. You = can check the hardshell case, but bringing your guitar in a hardshell = case probably eliminates any chance of storing it in the overhead=97if = the airlines indeed allow that. Well, help may be on the way. The American Federation of Musicians = has taken up the cause of musicians who fly to gigs, and Congress is = debating a bill that would specify consistent guidelines for carry-on = instruments. According to the AFM: "If this bill passes, musicians will = be able to carry most musical instruments onboard and place them in the = overhead compartment or in a seat (if a ticket is purchased)." This is = your chance to make your voice heard. Here's a link for signing the = petition: = http://www.afm.org/departments/legislative-office/carrying-instruments-on= -airplanes Until this (hopefully) becomes law, call ahead to the airline and = ask for their policy regarding carrying instruments on planes. If = possible, get this emailed or faxed to you so you have written backup = should a flight attendant balk. If the airline can guarantee that using = a gig bag will let you place it in the overhead, fine. Otherwise, you = might need to pursue the hardshell case/checked baggage route. But, note = that the case that came with your guitar might not be the best possible = option. Case companies like SKB make guitar cases that look like they = could survive a small thermonuclear explosion, and while they're not = cheap, they're cheaper than replacing a vintage guitar. Sign the petition! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com ------=_NextPart_000_02CC_01CB5CBA.1C603290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Totally understood...sometimes you just = have to=20 bight the bullet
I have musicproinsurance as = well...though I think=20 they are very overpriced.  Have you investigated whether you can = get=20 enhanced home owners or renter's insurance with the same = coverage?
 
I am contemplating getting a new = vehicle at the new=20 year...something that gets better gas mileage than my Jeep = Cherokee, but is=20 not ugly as sin.  I won't drive a Prius...they look = corny.   I=20 like the VWs...I owned a Passat wagon, which was an excellent car, but = not=20 diesel. I may check out the Jetta diesels.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 

Yea Kris, I try to drive when I can but it's not always = possible.  
When will they build a bridge to Europe and Asia? 
Insurance is a must.  musicproinsurance.com is = good=20 for USA.  Socan.ca for = Canada.
I had a 1920 Larson Brothers Maurer and beautiful highly figured=20 brazilian rosewood Martin D35 kaboshed in Puerto Rica (75).  Had = an ugly=20 valuable vintage guitar lost in Oakland Airport for an hour, finally = showed up=20 in the middle of nowhere, safe in Anvil case.  In = Oakland! 

I have a Jetta wagon.  Diesel.  Runs great on pure = biodiesel=20 when I can get it (Calif, Wash, OR).  Almost 50mpg.  They = say they=20 can go 300-400K miles if well maintained.  We'll see.  I'm = at about=20 150K now!

I love driving.  Environmentally bad, but it's my traveling=20 monastery - peace and quiet.  I chucked my cell phones a few = years back=20 just so I could enjoy the rolling monastery in peace.  

Good cases are important.  I haven't had anything broken = (knock on=20 wood) since getting good cases.  I did have a flight case ruined = by=20 baggage savages leaving it out in the rain too long.  The 50 year = old amp=20 was okay, though. 

Still, I like the idea of hand carrying hardbody electrics etc. =  =20 It's a start.

richard = sales
www.glasswing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com


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On Sep 24, 2010, at 10:41 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:
I am through with the BS. I have a = $6K jazz=20 archtop guitar, and there is no way any airline is going to have = space for=20 this in an overhead or in their private closets. And I am not = checking it in=20 or paying for a seat for it....I defer to the YouTube video, United = Breaks=20 Guitars. :)   I am driving to San Franciso and Santa Cruz = for Y2K,=20 and to Seattle and Portland for other gigs.   I may have = to by a=20 Prius to afford the travel, but oh well.

Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 

I'm forwarding this.  It's important!  I = don't=20 think you have to be a union member to vote.

Dear Musician,

If you travel on airplanes, you know = the hassle=20 of bringing an instrument. Some airlines are fine with you = bringing an=20 instrument, some aren't. Some will accommodate you on alternate = Tuesdays=20 following Ground Hog's day providing you're wearing their secret = decoder=20 ring, and some will accommodate you if the flight attendant is in = a good=20 mood. And some airlines that weren't a problem last month will = demand you=20 check your guitar the next time you fly.

There's also the = gig=20 bag/hardshell case issue. If your guitar's in a gig bag, airlines = are more=20 likely to let you put it in the overhead compartment. But if they = refuse=20 to do that and you have to check it, don't expect your axe to be = in one=20 piece when you get off the plane. You can check the hardshell = case, but=20 bringing your guitar in a hardshell case probably eliminates any = chance of=20 storing it in the overhead=97if the airlines indeed allow = that.

Well,=20 help may be on the way. The American Federation of Musicians has = taken up=20 the cause of musicians who fly to gigs, and Congress is debating a = bill=20 that would specify consistent guidelines for carry-on instruments. = According to the AFM: "If this bill passes, musicians will be able = to=20 carry most musical instruments onboard and place them in the = overhead=20 compartment or in a seat (if a ticket is purchased)." This is your = chance=20 to make your voice heard. Here's a link for signing the=20 petition:

http://www.afm.org/departments/legislative-office/car= rying-instruments-on-airplanes

Until=20 this (hopefully) becomes law, call ahead to the airline and ask = for their=20 policy regarding carrying instruments on planes. If possible, get = this=20 emailed or faxed to you so you have written backup should a flight = attendant balk. If the airline can guarantee that using a gig bag = will let=20 you place it in the overhead, fine. Otherwise, you might need to = pursue=20 the hardshell case/checked baggage route. But, note that the case = that=20 came with your guitar might not be the best possible option. Case=20 companies like SKB make guitar cases that look like they could = survive a=20 small thermonuclear explosion, and while they're not cheap, = they're=20 cheaper than replacing a vintage guitar.

Sign the = petition!
richard = sales
www.glasswing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com

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------=_NextPart_000_02CC_01CB5CBA.1C603290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 21:00:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE62D3BE90; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mark Hamburg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Rackless (and not going the computer route) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:00:31 -0700 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:00:34 +0000 (UTC) I'm contemplating whether I can move to a rackless configuration (and = not by replacing the rack with a computer that needs to be setup = somewhere). This has me looking at the RC50. That's a whole separate thread. But one of the things I pretty clearly need is a small mixer that would = fit on my pedalboard. It doesn't need to be sophisticated. It just needs = to support mixing a couple of stereo inputs to a stereo output. Does = anyone have any suggestions? Mark P.S. The rig I'm contemplating is: Guitar --> Lots of pedals --> M13 (effects 1 & 2) --> Looper Looper Dry Out (or Main Out) --> Mixer Looper Wet Out (or Sub Out) --> Volume Pedal --> M13 (effects 3 & 4) --> = Mixer The loss at the end of this is not being able to run it all through my = TC reverb and take the SPDIF out for digital recording, so maybe a rack = does make "sense". But the rack is more to setup and manage. But with = that in mind, any good line mixer suggestions since my Mackie 1202 isn't = going to work very well in a 4 space rack bag. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 21:20:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D65B3BE86; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-52279969 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:20:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:20:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-52279969 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I had a 1920 Larson Brothers Maurer and beautiful highly figured > brazilian rosewood Martin D35 kaboshed in Puerto Rica (75). Had an > ugly valuable vintage guitar lost in Oakland Airport for an hour, > finally showed up in the middle of nowhere, safe in Anvil case. In > Oakland! Oooooohhhhh that makes me sad, Maurers are so rare and beautiful. was that straight grain brazilian? Theory on the Oakland incident, The anvil case probably saved that instrument from being stolen as the fact it was found in the middle of knowhere suggest some one gave up trying to hall it away. I think the very fact that fender guitars have bolt on maple necks and are extremely hard to break was one reason I have always gravitated toward them. They aren't these precious delicate things Sure you can bend and break knobs and tuners and crack plastic, but I don't think I've ever even seen a strat or tele with a broken headstock. You would really have to work hard to destroy one of those...to wit check out how hard this guy works to break a strat in two, and he's the world's foremost authority. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2rolE9DlbA Bill --Apple-Mail-3-52279969 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had = a 1920 Larson Brothers Maurer and beautiful highly figured brazilian = rosewood Martin D35 kaboshed in Puerto Rica (75).  Had an ugly = valuable vintage guitar lost in Oakland Airport for an hour, finally = showed up in the middle of nowhere, safe in Anvil case.  In = Oakland! 

Oooooohhhhh that makes me sad, =  Maurers are so rare  and beautiful. was that  straight = grain brazilian? 
Theory on the Oakland incident, The = anvil case probably saved that instrument from being stolen as the fact = it was found in the middle of knowhere suggest some one gave up trying = to hall it away.

 I think the very fact = that fender guitars have  bolt on maple necks and are extremely = hard to break was one reason I have always gravitated toward them. They = aren't these precious delicate things Sure you can bend and break knobs = and tuners and crack plastic, but I don't think I've ever even seen a = strat or tele with a broken headstock. You would really have to work = hard to destroy one of those...to wit check out how hard this guy works = to break a strat in two, and he's the world's foremost = authority. http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DT2rolE9DlbA
 Bill
= --Apple-Mail-3-52279969-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 21:21:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E6AD3BE8D; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7Ir2rON4QI2nigNnpIAI9IBuPIfj88l4iAEbF94GhZk=; b=xFj+yZUMrc+7QdVG1m+Q3IVzYYI7E7m1s1X1+bU04UUvtP+vH/Z/PElgQBtkKu2vX4 VTiUoye4MdDt7gT0QLGqdXAwr9r5c6KTs2OYQrDN7Q3yy6NxyZSv8xbyqWCwwqi2K+Zm +KV/YFoyajzz9E5P04YpvX8Ln11IUjXCcmSg4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=rRPzvIKTZTPunasWWJHPdTp7Nuc/pvvll/1fD4MoIIjp+r+poISDUM41JajXg+Ooh+ HfOfFHJAq4yyX0y0O+g0Q4edpZTVxaaYdRqaqTDh4fYM1Xmifk4Z5hXNRj1WY6/VDD+g baG7xHwSuZO7iEVy3f7m4hADxnlKCGwcZDALY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57.42.01377.0073E9C4@smtp02.embarq.synacor.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 23:21:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Unexpected - Boysen-Anile collaborative album From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Nice work my friends, as always :) -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 21:42:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A55713BE8E; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285450922; bh=cGnPAk7H5erVbegoH1g0meTmzD4FVZJLaD8SKDRGAeQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cuPXhsq24RI9e8T4rpDe6kmekdxUBA0NOPqWFnso+iNiJyCVYmyGWgMGBKDjHtW9/1swjYR6Kul0rxXF+xzJhu2EADhyCf+sZcmvy31VQcpAStZCK7QYEJvrpjBn1NYDp86G34NcZGdUO5Es2n+W8F2CKOHj3VDIIRxm/ZOIEvI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ExLHwCu+UgqEXsiuLoy+4Vft7/lNxmyLJGP+u7yc7Vg4b7+NwFOZFWEpxiHX1+mjYBQjcFtUAKCHUUd2V7zKPCL/21WWlmgzNsG4AtR5UA4CcvbcVA/VTCaxX0vp/PuM84cm1q7jBAg7GHn3b9zKd+0ICala/kiU92lhQPqosSw=; Message-ID: <160175.47390.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: rvSBewAVM1nPJcxumcrlaonLNTaZqdQbrj43zvJSCFGXssQ SyllGPBzcQsAFzWZAoatQ1dNxJQRcTtBHVO7qsQDeMe7WBtEC3gPAERXZib0 yFyhjp5SUxu7peRBggueXQwjkE2XmJ6GewwJ.sx4bs82k_si1doc1PunfWW. WHdBfK1Yt7vzW1xWHXSNSqDRvJDvI56K._q6AcapTFc0FyiIqE_SAXREQl48 3KJoiR3WXvZmBIU5qWEYZwpstWnEpUPqq4KaD_iD5jKAkmsUsIYWxcll9_RQ 1VKMn.EbbyndBNu_gS1hbJ3HweZHTl9tKu6fWlq38twOKTW1nN11iIHFlSuM gnZTebZ4gHVA24xlA32HKk970IYhZQ9jHRJ4S X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <10144868-AADB-4DD9-A2A5-A4342068AC46@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:42:02 -0700 (PDT) From: keith mcmillen Subject: Invite to KMI October Demo Fridays at our Berkeley, CA HQ To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <10144868-AADB-4DD9-A2A5-A4342068AC46@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi All, If you are in the area: Keith McMillen Instruments KMI is pleased to announce October Demo Fridays at our Berkeley, CA HQ. Stop by Oct 1, 8, 15, 22 and 29 from 1-3pm for StringPort and SoftStep demos, pizza and more (more is probably sodas and napkins). RSVP to sales@keithmcillen.com. Also SoftSteps are finally done - please check out manual and tutorials. What a tough project - but I am really delighted with the results. And I needed one so that is the best motivation. http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/softstep/manual.php http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/softstep/videos.php Thanks, Keith Keith McMillen www.keithmcmillen.com www.beamfoundation.org "Music For A New Reason" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 21:47:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 480DA3BE89; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:47:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1f4e7ePS4KmWMhI9fSlPfLW4Erl4d/DKRq45rTGi6f0=; b=inLmTDRS2OVd1BnynoIc13FXzvXJWXOQWStPTx/DIIe3ORGVBXSWNB50Esv8dzpSS3 zi/8gZMWQy7nBZkTgLf8v5UhpyV3q0vjof6veLcUQRJOC8X91Ngy91cIp3jcBbydr1kp bLWGxaV75K8DB44I1gCTuwKQi+e0ks1pgXo7A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=JqQkCBRQjOIvKKZ714xgA02T87o0ly0HHk4z+ceJJn2GwIgfRG5As7HyC6aVncT+BO XcWqskkNEkC4Ct4I1IEDu+X57pyFzvXZ1TdZw8igWcDWfWhH/Pk8x8LqQSZ6phKnnxRS Iu866fB8OXwgu9SnXI2aAnUinpUyHi1sBP/Zk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9390B9B4-9813-467A-9383-788166583F2A@charter.net> <000601cb5ac8$10c13e50$537e3447@tbl01fcf9be917> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:47:37 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: For Your Listening Enjoyment From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:47:39 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for listening. I'm glad you folks liked it. This is the sort of stuff I've been playing for a while now so I have hours and hours of archives that I'll get up one of these days. I just need to do a little quality control because not every flight is entirely successful you know. BTW, this one was actually a duo, we go by the name of Black Ghost Emissary but it seems like everything I play ends up sounding like this anyway (solo or in a larger group). Kevin >> > >> > On Sep 21, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >> > >> >> If you're looking for some appropriately atmospheric and diffuse >> >> listening here is an hour and a half of such a thing I performed on >> >> the radio last week >> >> >> >> http://soundcloud.com/billowhead/bge-khsu-pt-1 >> >> http://soundcloud.com/billowhead/bge-khsu-pt-2 >> >> >> >> There is looping in there somewhere. >> >> >> >> Enjoy, >> >> >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to >> >> have a >> >> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all >> >> trouble. >> >> >> >> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >> >> >> >> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >> >> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 25 22:00:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54D363BE8E; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:00:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-54645098 Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:00:06 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=CbXqqR+21HYopSg0q7YKFgXQpubLus6Oai3faw8sWr8= c=1 sm=0 a=1ien1EITUJIA:10 a=XCOojii/DAuONnnIhMMOzw==:17 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=ine8s7tKxqAHPgRzVXQA:9 a=uyszyDL72E9sfvHSAqAA:7 a=xkd3PMmTjjQRZQ8syh7dbQbFvQMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=jjsOQl5srsc_fAhS:21 a=UtDcD1o2OEKnoY88:21 a=lqdJT3hS6lf10VewKF4A:7 a=07hiFUn9PjhN8HANL6xqeNQ2_QgA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:00:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-54645098 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Maurer, my grandfathers, was resuscitated, a bit different for the = wear but still the best sounding acoustic I own. Paul (R) Smith swore = it had a ghost in it! I love it so much I don't play it much anymore, = which is absurd. But it's so fragile. So only for some recording.=20 The 69 Martin still lives. I gave it to Hayley cuz she asked that when = I died I'd will it to her, so I figured I must be part dead already and = gave it to her. It's a great sounding, big throat guitar. I can still = use it to record when needed.=20 All of my Qsticks are like battle worn war vets. But they are still = fully capable of defending the country when put to test... if you get my = drift.=20 Musicproinsurance is better than anything I could find here. And I have = a studio, so homeowners doesn't really cover. They might SAY they do = but when you go to them with a very large shopping list they look closer = at their fine print and you're out. Had a friend who lost a $1M studio = that way. Thought he was insured but wasn't really. =20 Canadian insurers are like the banks here, VERY cautious, not into = rolling dice at all - like US insurance and banks. It's made the = economy more stable, but it's harder for a master of shuck and jive to = convince with a James Brown dance step and a yodel or two. In fact, = Socan, the best deal here, is still a point or so higher than musicpro. = That adds up fast when you try to insure a studio.=20 Musicpro, btw, might SAY they cover Canadian instruments but actually = don't. I had them for a couple years, then did the research when they = wouldn't send me an email (paper trail) confirming I was indeed covered = here. They don't, but they were happy to take a thousand or two of my = bucks per year while I figured it out.=20 Jettas rule. Like a luxury car but without the cost. =20 Anyone ever play a Grosh Electrojet? It's my new object of lust. =20 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Sep 25, 2010, at 2:20 PM, William Walker wrote: >> I had a 1920 Larson Brothers Maurer and beautiful highly figured = brazilian rosewood Martin D35 kaboshed in Puerto Rica (75). Had an ugly = valuable vintage guitar lost in Oakland Airport for an hour, finally = showed up in the middle of nowhere, safe in Anvil case. In Oakland!=20 >=20 > Oooooohhhhh that makes me sad, Maurers are so rare and beautiful. = was that straight grain brazilian?=20 > Theory on the Oakland incident, The anvil case probably saved that = instrument from being stolen as the fact it was found in the middle of = knowhere suggest some one gave up trying to hall it away. >=20 > I think the very fact that fender guitars have bolt on maple necks = and are extremely hard to break was one reason I have always gravitated = toward them. They aren't these precious delicate things Sure you can = bend and break knobs and tuners and crack plastic, but I don't think = I've ever even seen a strat or tele with a broken headstock. You would = really have to work hard to destroy one of those...to wit check out how = hard this guy works to break a strat in two, and he's the world's = foremost authority. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT2rolE9DlbA > Bill --Apple-Mail-1-54645098 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii The = Maurer, my grandfathers, was resuscitated, a bit different for the wear = but still the best sounding acoustic I own.  Paul (R) Smith swore = it had a ghost in it!  I love it so much I don't play it much = anymore, which is absurd.  But it's so fragile.  So only for = some recording. 

The 69 Martin still lives. =  I gave it to Hayley cuz she asked that when I died I'd will it to = her, so I figured I must be part dead already and gave it to her. =  It's a great sounding, big throat guitar.  I can still use it = to record when needed. 

All of my Qsticks = are like battle worn war vets.  But they are still fully capable of = defending the country when put to test... if you get my = drift. 

Musicproinsurance is better than = anything I could find here.  And I have a studio, so homeowners = doesn't really cover.  They might SAY they do but when you go to = them with a very large shopping list they look closer at their fine = print and you're out.  Had a friend who lost a $1M studio that way. =  Thought he was insured but wasn't really. =   

Canadian insurers are like the = banks here, VERY cautious, not into rolling dice at all - like US = insurance and banks.  It's made the economy more stable, but it's = harder for a master of shuck and jive to convince with a James Brown = dance step and a yodel or two.  In fact, Socan, the best deal here, = is still a point or so higher than musicpro.  That adds up fast = when you try to insure a = studio. 

Musicpro, btw, might SAY they = cover Canadian instruments but actually don't.  I had them for a = couple years, then did the research when they wouldn't send me an email = (paper trail) confirming I was indeed covered here.  They don't, = but they were happy to take a thousand or two of my bucks per year while = I figured it out. 

Jettas rule.  Like = a luxury car but without the cost. =   

Anyone ever play a Grosh = Electrojet?  It's my new object of lust. =   


richard sales
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On Sep 25, 2010, at 2:20 PM, William Walker = wrote:

I had a 1920 Larson Brothers Maurer and beautiful highly = figured brazilian rosewood Martin D35 kaboshed in Puerto Rica (75). =  Had an ugly valuable vintage guitar lost in Oakland Airport for an = hour, finally showed up in the middle of nowhere, safe in Anvil case. =  In Oakland! 

Oooooohhhhh that makes me = sad,  Maurers are so rare  and beautiful. was that =  straight grain brazilian? 
Theory on the Oakland = incident, The anvil case probably saved that instrument from being = stolen as the fact it was found in the middle of knowhere suggest some = one gave up trying to hall it away.

 I = think the very fact that fender guitars have  bolt on maple necks = and are extremely hard to break was one reason I have always gravitated = toward them. They aren't these precious delicate things Sure you can = bend and break knobs and tuners and crack plastic, but I don't think = I've ever even seen a strat or tele with a broken headstock. You would = really have to work hard to destroy one of those...to wit check out how = hard this guy works to break a strat in two, and he's the world's = foremost authority. http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DT2rolE9DlbA
 Bill
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= --Apple-Mail-1-54645098-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 03:30:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A78793BE8D; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 03:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4C9EBE55.7040206@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:30:29 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Rackless (and not going the computer route) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 03:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Hey Mark, A good friend of mine, John Connell, who will be playing the looping festival, just picked up the Mackie 802 VLZ3 mini mixer and is really happy about it. The VLZ3 preamps (it has three of them) are really loud, transparent and quiet, quiet, quiet! Plus it has not only one Aux send and return, but also a control room out so that you can use the Mute button as an alternate send (Aux 2). I'm seriously considering buying it when I have the moolah. It goes for about $200 at any self respecting independent local music shop though I highly recommend Union Grove Music in Santa Cruz (grin.......my wife and my brother both work there). Here's a picture of it..............I think it will tell you everything you need to know...........Interesting (and saliently for putting together a board) all insertion points (ins, outs, control room, aux send, insert points, phones, et. al.) are all on the top of the unit where you can have easy access to it. http://www.mackie.com/home/showimage.html?u=/products/802vlz3/photos/802VLZ3.jpg Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 03:55:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB6E83BE8D; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 03:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <8F6AB72797F046DEB73B6EC29B956958@office> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> <2E490ACA-98C2-49FB-92F0-95BAC432710F@johnfloridis.com> Subject: Re: Rang III Software Ver 2.0 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 23:54:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 03:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Yes, all new units come with the new software preinstalled. It really is working quite well. I thought I might find some glitches being that it took so darn long for v.2 to be released (figuring they were trying to overcome hardware limitations with software), but so far it's great. The sound is absolutely pristine. I really like the fact that there is a circle of LEDs on the front panel that indicate where your output levels are, and you can always rely on the fact that "7" is unity gain. No muss, no fuss, no guessing. You can adjust the output levels for each of the 4 loops, with 7 being unity and 10 giving you 10 dB gain. The numbers go from 0 through 10 so we can be just like Spinal Tap and play at "11"! There has been some discussion here about the fact that most loopers create a 2 millisecond ramp down and ramp up at the edges of the loop in order to prevent clicks. In my normal playing that is a non-issue and I haven't even tried to listen for that (I'm not an ambient guy...structured songs is more my thing), though I will. However, the option now exists to remove the volume ramps in order to get a perfect, seamless loop (such as an e-bow drone). Sorry, I haven't tried it yet, I will report back when I do. Mike N is such an absolute perfectionist, though, that I'll bet dollars to donuts it works. I wonder why manufacturers can't make a "zero cross" calculation in order to eliminate the possibility of pops or clicks. I used to drive myself mad in Sonar Producer when cutting audio clips until I realized that if I cut when the wave crossed the zero axis the problem was eliminated. I guess that kind of calculation is difficult for a processor to make on the fly. Anyway, I'm loving this thing. I'll trickle in some more info as I use it. I've actually been using it for some time with v.1 software. It seems to me that "Undo" is working much more reliably now. I used to lose the ability to undo, and now it works every time. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnfloridis.com" To: Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:01 AM Subject: Re: Rang III Software Ver 2.0 Excellent review Brian. Does anyone know if the new units come with the new software already installed? John Floridis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 07:22:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1CB23BE89; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 07:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_389c9b18-854d-428a-9d36-811e4ef06e56_" X-Originating-IP: [24.21.162.195] From: Jeremy devros To: Subject: RE: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 00:22:08 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office>,,,<7B38703C-5C4F-4243-98B2-C18EC81C397D@glasswing.com>,<4965B181D7C04450BC01AD13CFE503B9@ELUK1>,<6690BFD4F3FC480EACE76C18F5C3C28D@NORBY11>,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2010 07:22:08.0549 (UTC) FILETIME=[87625550:01CB5D4B] Resent-Message-ID: <_iK9NC.A.1YG.hSvnMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 07:22:09 +0000 (UTC) --_389c9b18-854d-428a-9d36-811e4ef06e56_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just came back from Lebanon w/ a Sukar oud which I carried on. I was afra= id people would cram their carry ons into it but it made it back safe and s= ound. I would carry on any instrument --That's what I was told -you're a mu= sician=2C bring it on board! Hardware gear is probably saferin baggage but = I don't know from experience. J.D.Devros deafrose58 > Date: Sat=2C 25 Sep 2010 19:32:11 +0200 > Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very re= levant! > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > I live by these two rules on this matter: >=20 > 1) Only bring small instruments that fit into your cabin luggage bag. > 2) Use a foam diced hard case when checking in an instrument. >=20 > It seems a hard case diced with foam protects the instruments well > enough for checking it in. And these cases are a must for most air > travel companies' luggage insurance. They are quite expensive though=2C > so therefore I do not own one. Instead I stick with small instruments > when having to fly somewhere. >=20 > One thing I've been thinking about=2C regarding guitar=2C is to use a har= d > case that is bigger than the instrument and stuff it up with that > cheap plastic "air pillows" material. Make sure the guitar can not > move inside the case=2C especially not towards the neck direction! You > may put some stopper blocks at the body horns=2C by the side of where > the neck meets the body=2C to fix the guitar's position. I recently had > a guitar sent to me that was very well packed by every aspect except > that it had nothing to prevent it to glide upwards. Some UPS staff > packed it upside down inside a lorry and on arrival the head stock was > bent and the fretboard lose from the neck by the first and second > fret. Sad. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 = --_389c9b18-854d-428a-9d36-811e4ef06e56_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just came back from Lebanon w/ a Sukar oud which I carried on. I was afra= id people would cram their carry ons into it but it made it back safe and s= ound. I would carry on any instrument --That's what I was told -you're a mu= sician=2C bring it on board! Hardware gear is probably saferin baggage but = I don't know from experience.
J.D.Devros
deafrose58

>=3B Dat= e: Sat=2C 25 Sep 2010 19:32:11 +0200
>=3B Subject: Re: Carrying instru= ments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant!
>=3B From: perboy= sen@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B <= br>>=3B I live by these two rules on this matter:
>=3B
>=3B 1)= Only bring small instruments that fit into your cabin luggage bag.
>= =3B 2) Use a foam diced hard case when checking in an instrument.
>=3B=
>=3B It seems a hard case diced with foam protects the instruments w= ell
>=3B enough for checking it in. And these cases are a must for mos= t air
>=3B travel companies' luggage insurance. They are quite expensi= ve though=2C
>=3B so therefore I do not own one. Instead I stick with = small instruments
>=3B when having to fly somewhere.
>=3B
>= =3B One thing I've been thinking about=2C regarding guitar=2C is to use a h= ard
>=3B case that is bigger than the instrument and stuff it up with = that
>=3B cheap plastic "air pillows" material. Make sure the guitar c= an not
>=3B move inside the case=2C especially not towards the neck di= rection! You
>=3B may put some stopper blocks at the body horns=2C by = the side of where
>=3B the neck meets the body=2C to fix the guitar's = position. I recently had
>=3B a guitar sent to me that was very well p= acked by every aspect except
>=3B that it had nothing to prevent it to= glide upwards. Some UPS staff
>=3B packed it upside down inside a lor= ry and on arrival the head stock was
>=3B bent and the fretboard lose = from the neck by the first and second
>=3B fret. Sad.
>=3B
&g= t=3B Greetings from Sweden
>=3B
>=3B Per Boysen
>=3B www.bo= ysen.se
>=3B www.perboysen.com
>=3B www.looproom.com internet mus= ic hub
>=3B
= --_389c9b18-854d-428a-9d36-811e4ef06e56_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 09:40:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C2123BE8B; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 09:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 502749772/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.16/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.16 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8BAJKxnkxYbRMQ/2dsb2JhbAAHlDPQJoVEBI0u X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,238,1283727600"; d="scan'208";a="502749772" Message-ID: <4C9F1505.30706@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:40:21 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rackless (and not going the computer route) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 09:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Mark Hamburg wrote: > I need a small mixer that would fit on my pedalboard. >It doesn't need to be sophisticated. >It just needs to support mixing a couple of stereo inputs to a stereo output. >Does anyone have any suggestions? Would you consider a solution that involved a soldering iron? (a y cable with 4 components going to a purchased DI box, or fx unit, or anything with a stereo in and suitable o/p for what you want.) Problem with v.small mixers is that they're all made with cost cutting in mind in a competitive market. I've not heard of a non-rack line mixer. ....anyone?? > P.S. The rig I'm contemplating is: > > Guitar --> Lots of pedals --> M13 (effects 1 & 2) --> Looper > Looper Dry Out (or Main Out) --> Mixer I'd advise against running the dry signal through the RC-50 if you can think of a way to avoid that. > Looper Wet Out (or Sub Out) --> Volume Pedal --> M13 (effects 3 & 4) --> Mixer > does the M13 have a master volume on the o/p ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 10:13:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 925FE3BE87; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:content-type:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :references:to:x-mailer; bh=S7hX7MH3uRb83DJ4OpM1U7HleBUp9tLJ4HWvMNfnNaY=; b=xlhF25ATQ5+nt702he4VEEWATdTyAEW2rUXop3iJR4O/WQWB2COIlKX7a1tkuhxtUg J3Jeb7eQGDB2Vv62y9rwgWQXsSnEIHxHkDN/rh6j7gtPJ/kgPh2Cdq8PinZPC80jt/sC zUWypTzidrn9hv9SshJEVy3orVpVSAd4+Hi6I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=OGlJCdwGTf7UaWbuesF533lwiosKFbFKBthnfm1YqSPQOl60DY3shqdmyBir14Rr72 c2zbbNyv/PoN850raZs5gj5PrUHGUSpCnR06FiJgzq3gmXlwumxwV6GQwekok2YUQd4d k4j3+yTVHeQMk2VDtC9NGm4uPNZbece7ZeTtg= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: Rackless (and not going the computer route) From: George Matthews In-Reply-To: <4C9F1505.30706@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 06:13:17 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4C9F1505.30706@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: <_ftQi.A.OKB.EzxnMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:13:24 +0000 (UTC) I'm interested in the soldering iron solution. I'm was also looking at = small mixers because I wanted someway to monitor the output of my = Boomerang with headphones and send another stereo out to the house = system. Excuse my ignorance but what does o/p mean?=20 On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:40 AM, andy butler wrote: >=20 >=20 > Mark Hamburg wrote: >=20 >> I need a small mixer that would fit on my pedalboard. It doesn't = need to be sophisticated. It just needs to support mixing a couple of = stereo inputs to a stereo output. Does anyone have any suggestions? >=20 > Would you consider a solution that involved a soldering iron? > (a y cable with 4 components going to a purchased DI box, or > fx unit, or anything with a stereo in and suitable o/p for > what you want.) >=20 > Problem with v.small mixers is that they're all made > with cost cutting in mind in a competitive market. > I've not heard of a non-rack line mixer. > ....anyone?? >=20 >=20 >> P.S. The rig I'm contemplating is: >> Guitar --> Lots of pedals --> M13 (effects 1 & 2) --> Looper >> Looper Dry Out (or Main Out) --> Mixer >=20 > I'd advise against running the dry signal through the RC-50 > if you can think of a way to avoid that. >=20 >=20 >> Looper Wet Out (or Sub Out) --> Volume Pedal --> M13 (effects 3 & 4) = --> Mixer > does the M13 have a master volume on the o/p ? >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 10:14:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49C843BE8F; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f7704854-a38b-4332-b9b9-ef5db29335b5_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.2.151] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Rackless (and not going the computer route) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:14:29 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <4C9F1505.30706@tiscali.co.uk>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2010 10:14:30.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BA5C930:01CB5D63] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:14:31 +0000 (UTC) --_f7704854-a38b-4332-b9b9-ef5db29335b5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable o/p =3D output g > Subject: Re: Rackless (and not going the computer route) > From: gtmatthews@gmail.com > Date: Sun=2C 26 Sep 2010 06:13:17 -0400 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > I'm interested in the soldering iron solution. I'm was also looking at sm= all mixers because I wanted someway to monitor the output of my Boomerang w= ith headphones and send another stereo out to the house system. > Excuse my ignorance but what does o/p mean?=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sep 26=2C 2010=2C at 5:40 AM=2C andy butler wrote: >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Mark Hamburg wrote: > >=20 > >> I need a small mixer that would fit on my pedalboard. It doesn't need= to be sophisticated. It just needs to support mixing a couple of stereo in= puts to a stereo output. Does anyone have any suggestions? > >=20 > > Would you consider a solution that involved a soldering iron? > > (a y cable with 4 components going to a purchased DI box=2C or > > fx unit=2C or anything with a stereo in and suitable o/p for > > what you want.) > >=20 > > Problem with v.small mixers is that they're all made > > with cost cutting in mind in a competitive market. > > I've not heard of a non-rack line mixer. > > ....anyone?? > >=20 > >=20 > >> P.S. The rig I'm contemplating is: > >> Guitar --> Lots of pedals --> M13 (effects 1 & 2) --> Looper > >> Looper Dry Out (or Main Out) --> Mixer > >=20 > > I'd advise against running the dry signal through the RC-50 > > if you can think of a way to avoid that. > >=20 > >=20 > >> Looper Wet Out (or Sub Out) --> Volume Pedal --> M13 (effects 3 & 4) -= -> Mixer > > does the M13 have a master volume on the o/p ? > >=20 >=20 = --_f7704854-a38b-4332-b9b9-ef5db29335b5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable o/p =3D output

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>=3B Subject: Re: Rackless (and not going = the computer route)
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>=3B Date: Su= n=2C 26 Sep 2010 06:13:17 -0400
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com
>=3B
>=3B I'm interested in the soldering iron solution. = I'm was also looking at small mixers because I wanted someway to monitor th= e output of my Boomerang with headphones and send another stereo out to the= house system.
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= --_f7704854-a38b-4332-b9b9-ef5db29335b5_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 10:29:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75A9A3BE8D; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 502773180/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.16/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.16 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqkBAEu9nkxYbRMQ/2dsb2JhbAAHlDPPfoVEBI0u X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,238,1283727600"; d="scan'208";a="502773180" Message-ID: <4C9F207C.9010205@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:29:16 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rackless (and not going the computer route) References: <4C9F1505.30706@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <06Vw-D.A.tiB.xBynMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:29:05 +0000 (UTC) George Matthews wrote: > I'm interested in the soldering iron solution. I'm was also looking at small mixers because I wanted someway to monitor the output of my Boomerang with headphones and send another stereo out to the house system. To split one output( aka o/p) to 2 or more inputs just use a Y-cable. (seems to be what you need) You may need to run through some kind of a DI box to go to the house system, i.e. splitter cables go to both headphone amp and DI box (from rang) To take more than one output to a single input you can also use a y cable, but each connection needs to be made through a Resistor. (this assumes that the things you are mixing have their own output volume controls). A good resistance value to use is 33k Ohm. 1/8 Watt will be fine, but no problem with larger wattage except that the size will be bigger. It's also possible to make small passive mixers with volume controls, and/or pan pots but the more features you add, the more signal level you need to make up in the next stage. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 11:18:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE5B43BE8B; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=S57breLME2tYATao+QC6WFHl7JaRRpc7m3AgAaHF2xg=; b=lW5wrL9XgxYgOngKuvfh4ujIX8mftukYIv4S1D/h6Mw8WrX/+AK2v7vb5nFmAMs+U9 hM9pIiukSm+u65Ve75HD2N0uyK7MJVjOs+QvjMit3rwz7eYVxYLDQ6eaC4ZR1OsMzABp svOdUJ/Efay55isliwihNcRXQYOoEL8k0cU14= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mMkxFY91i5DtwWupFUvZki+1Dx4yMUmGW8o3hs/fTwYX1HBrXQoPlLzooPQ7vQ5LTQ m5+3U0sAKhiJbtpXHgWx9oe4zJxYtgWirtW6TSBB55/8d3Cf/OSTR4EIDi0kA0pbntY/ moQPSgGvfX8GWeKlU2ighF6TN3BsXlXVATOPc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8F6AB72797F046DEB73B6EC29B956958@office> References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office> <2E490ACA-98C2-49FB-92F0-95BAC432710F@johnfloridis.com> <8F6AB72797F046DEB73B6EC29B956958@office> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:18:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rang III Software Ver 2.0 From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi Brian, Thanks for ther review , very usefull information. I'm an ambient looper and I noticed that with version 2.0 the Rang III can now handle up to 4 unsynced loops of different lenght, called Free play, right? I have checked the manual but I do have a couple of questions. - How do you select a loop? I have the impression that if you use the loop 1,2,3 buttons it either starts recording or stops playing. For example, how can you reverse loop 2 on the fly when you've not programmed your Bonus buttons to handle this? - Does every loop have it's own setting for feedback (= decay)? For example, is it possible to have loop 1 running with 90% feedback, something like decay 1, and loop 2 with 100%, decay 0? - Does the decay function remain active when a loop is in play mode and not in overdub mode (stacking)? Thanks for your time, -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 11:57:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B57C03BE88; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:57:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=o6DHQXT2RvXOklSyGVFHYgY1q2TfYZSP0Rs5MTmgN6Q=; b=boYUXGuErmgjuLFV78ObCiWYET7dhnIHlhxMJlgySYOK1lhWrbHjECo8JDhqjTqvDP 7OXzdKL6/+VUvdqWcapPLmbLrMCFJr5hUqXdI7/W/fyWeX2K5TZ4zFq+0aZnUHTt64es anridVEFW+W/hbB/cAhoa1GSB1AaQ9CzpVu9A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=GLCC7ACF3thylgBLoRPwP+j4gZDFlu3MYPoFcczh/JYw3bDnkdnVm04ImO8MNxhd5k aHqx4F8P6BLQfqu1uR0B/0H07i5Pap1JtZyL/7m2WdAwiHKEoNR0YJ0zcBiTk6sQqAT2 PprJHFKlHgOPKAGwYABKuiI4MDuwUTGa/ZnVg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:57:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: More Eigenharp info + Stick comparison From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:57:56 +0000 (UTC) New great CDM round-up on the Eigenharp http://bit.ly/9w73ci! I personally prefer the Chapman Stick though http://bit.ly/a9kA6E. Both instruments offer the musician to instantly play two different sounding rigs by each hand. Sometimes when I get bored with looping, because it is so hard to use with rubato playing, I get relief to play the Stick without looping. When watching the Eigenharp videos it surprises me that so many players go for music based on "beats and sequenced patterns"... like they totally miss the big point with the Eigenharp as I get it; to free your playing form a fixed tempo and to use tempo for your own musical expression. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 13:27:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83A3A3BE89; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=PrNTVHwggClSAp4on3QGM1TjAOUuoMCbhGWDnrCvfkA=; b=gT310bH6UMkMekglEM05GuorTA+gjunxu5kf9nxLeCJOmjFPCA1eCs0VfFJ/qUSLhE ytSKJHETXHapP3U1Mag3NOXetv7b9kh6aLJsRfbpAS1RJtxcXESTR/4bOfGM+phqfhsJ JHCcauCOfvu0scxqLotE7lwaTHQQ3uA7SB50o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=xn3gDtGBig+kW21IHQl/1uo8il0E25PF8bmjmphJb7lzGx1ELhHtys6wf4NDGSfvie jvBbWlhU6Zz7B4QqC6wVjXgjWX24pU2WzwbHKjgeHZf3+iI3BIgrtSQXkfzlYBVuzriG IWPP/rzMILieD+slvmdBYlAx9Idy7eyrtKj4A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <10144868-AADB-4DD9-A2A5-A4342068AC46@gmail.com> References: <10144868-AADB-4DD9-A2A5-A4342068AC46@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 15:26:45 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tfxAaMqhENevjvLtBvvRCNPN6DQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f8a4e5863fc3b04912991d4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:27:06 +0000 (UTC) --00c09f8a4e5863fc3b04912991d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I ordered one 2 minutes after the mail came in... Not sure that its gonna be here in time for me to er.. bring it back to the US for yk2-x... so Ill be luggin the slightly broken 1010 over, maybe Ill burn it at the end of my set? I will of course also report how it is after I do get it... M On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:58 PM, George Matthews wrote: > I got one on the way Per. I will post to the list as soon as I can give her > a good test run. > > Todd Matthews > On Sep 25, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > Myself I wasn't able to wait for the delayed shipping date and as I > > ran into an emergency I picked up the existing Gordius pedal to keep > > momentum. If someone on the list is getting the SoftStep now it would > > be nice if you could post your first impressions from a loopist's > > perspective :-) > > > > http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/softstep/ > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se > > www.perboysen.com > > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --00c09f8a4e5863fc3b04912991d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I ordered one 2 minutes after the mail came in... Not sure that its gonna b= e here in time for me to er.. bring it back to the US for yk2-x... so Ill b= e luggin the slightly broken 1010 over, maybe Ill burn it at the end of my = set?

I will of course also report how it is after I do get it...


= M

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:58 PM, George= Matthews <gtm= atthews@gmail.com> wrote:
I got one on the = way Per. I will post to the list as soon as I can give her a good test run.=

Todd Matthews
On Sep 25, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Per Boysen w= rote:

> Myself I wasn't able to wait for the delayed shipping date and as = I
> ran into an emergency I picked up the existing Gordius pedal to keep > momentum. If someone on the list is getting the SoftStep now it would<= br> > be nice if you could post your first impressions from a loopist's<= br> > perspective :-)
>
> http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/softstep/
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.c= om
> www.looproom.com= internet music hub
>




--
mark franco= mbe
www.markfrancombe.comwww.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @= markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://www.looop.no
--00c09f8a4e5863fc3b04912991d4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 16:42:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A2833BE8D; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KjEfqMs25JBNtzPjxXJXzbxHW3rj0Xkm5gYMLK13knY=; b=iYQ4og3gFwZh/L2eAmFCvPp05StW1v8Zem9RsErJQpNtUnYhacYlXkQ5DWfeRYoPW0 nllrGqRq97qgeNXtFuae6HK515pGxrlz3yqLQ2H7/StyVj+sUkauzhOXy4ujMwAPCsch nHfNG6e5TjG0eIYeYUyZ1hRr5BtIOoAXBKYXY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vM2MSdfkHgviuM30FeJ0CaaPFkGRYdkz2FjcnUhiAbo3N63/uadvU2u9c6WCHYrWbQ icO3jQlsnTi3hOaKI5wQ6EUC6bQyykNXAmmcQ1FsZHmW4G1nc9raNp0AcoUlJFGpbqD0 BYHYtgGuKMbSyQwYnbfDpp18sNQ4VmR/9rRFk= Message-ID: <4C9F7801.3010004@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:42:41 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: question for tech junkies References: <4C8D3307.9070400@cruzio.com> <4C8E07CD.4060000@tiscali.co.uk> <628564.26683.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C8E5747.1080100@googlemail.com> <368596.89267.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <368596.89267.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:42:36 +0000 (UTC) antonyhequet@yahoo.com schrieb: > probably because of the time of day. Everyone just got home. Love th idea of the > studio performance getting broadcast. I have a great room for that, tell me more > about it. > Sorry to have kept you waiting: What do you want to know more about? The streaming part, or the "all the stuff in the studio hooked together" part? Yours, Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 16:46:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABB363BE8A; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 295289.24659.bm@omp101.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285519585; bh=viyAZzu6sc8c36ilyZylH57V+CBekY4dTFL/dsQr/ns=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0PaYIkD8P+Xu+SBp92A2V3XFKFyr6k2KS+bceqTiWT44nXETCGabn7nLQRCxmPtHnzONGQ/kpqVO4GiHWNYRIHfwuqXLcV3AE3aFneS6Taa63AL/bM61y446hSCjcedJ5fDNrqDCZviWxQru0IQKuvzZKqsphbmz9Km9W5N6fpU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pKvqcYiDpQfyaBHMYpoqB2F2mFjO74yvSmg90v+JEjZNVtgKYxPtA4lj75Uk3/pY6MUH4lXvdvE6HlZ4NWND7LkLiDv2CBbBs1dcQfJQbpk/OrGvveyKUxdIJ7lEVFaGMaKR90UidvC7OpFn0LN9x3unWg6mAq7rzVfTVg9FEhE=; Message-ID: <143592.47974.qm@web65604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Y5VmeGsVM1lWxvOoDNUQgGgn6b5wOIt_BEqVPEWCXfbwLsx j8vJP8on__XEIlW94QVmuTLWPM8AK2tt4YaXqhnyPanfQkvKCigYN48Ei4mm zt_MipWVL3pn622H7vMFgYHtpcZWKuUvDX0hwNv2ETw8tF8j.vvLAEkD7y.n qmiJI.nlEAtEHhQo65RB6rWzlCR2UumL3SiIe0zUPifHiX__9R45fonJrxR8 ABGb2als21JjZ6H9npr5IdFxciJoBdBaTTtFNXsi6mxbiCmC2xl0wgEMLiNR CY_o19rWNBBLIyDkRp2WFra74YX15OGWHLqRXi9A1G.6UjnlKdNTXiL94sJy eX5zv X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <4C8D3307.9070400@cruzio.com> <4C8E07CD.4060000@tiscali.co.uk> <628564.26683.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C8E5747.1080100@googlemail.com> <368596.89267.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4C9F7801.3010004@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 09:46:25 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: Re: question for tech junkies To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4C9F7801.3010004@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:46:25 +0000 (UTC) the streaming part for now. You convinced about the other part. The mLAN is not working yet but i should be soon. Antony H ----- Original Message ---- From: Rainer Straschill To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sun, September 26, 2010 6:42:41 PM Subject: Re: question for tech junkies antonyhequet@yahoo.com schrieb: > probably because of the time of day. Everyone just got home. Love th idea of >the studio performance getting broadcast. I have a great room for that, tell me >more about it. > Sorry to have kept you waiting: What do you want to know more about? The streaming part, or the "all the stuff in the studio hooked together" part? Yours, Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 17:01:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F422E3BE87; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100926101325.3544D3BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-123149775 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: RE: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:01:51 -0700 References: <20100926101325.3544D3BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:01:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-123149775 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit back when I owned a jeff traugott guitar I bought it with a Calton case which he insisted on and if you think about,$800-1000 seems like a lot of money to invest in a case., but when you consider how valuable the instrument is, it makes perfect sense. I will eventually buy one for my custom made hawaiin lap steel if I get the opportunity to travel extensively with it. Both my lap guitar and my martin OM have very nice archtop gieb style cases, very sturdy and well built, but wooden cases do not radiate impact like fiber class or carbon fiber cases do. its much easier to sustain impact cracks from wooden cases. I would not hesistate to recomend one of these. They will build to custom order as well. http://www.caltoncases.com/categories/Custom-Fitted-Instrument-Cases/ Also it seems like carbon fiber technology is really starting to hit its stride and ther are new players cropping up all over though for the most part they have limited sizes and models: like this company whose stuff I've seen and is beautifully made. http://www.calderoriginals.com/ As far as gig bags go, I think these are still available. http://www.protecmusic.com/items.aspx?ProductID=406&InstrumentID=16&InstrumentGroupID=4&CategoryID=2&subCategoryID=45These have rigid side protection and built amazing tough and strong. I've had mine for 10 years and still going strong. These would work for solid body guitars and some thinlines but not full size guitars. Bill --Apple-Mail-1-123149775 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  back when I owned a jeff = traugott guitar  I bought it with a  Calton case which he = insisted on and if you think about,$800-1000 seems like a lot of money = to invest in a case., but when you consider how valuable the instrument = is, it makes perfect sense.  I will eventually buy one for my = custom made hawaiin lap steel if I get the opportunity to travel = extensively with it. Both my lap guitar and my martin OM have very nice = archtop gieb style cases, very sturdy and well built, but wooden cases = do not radiate impact like fiber class or carbon fiber cases do. its = much easier to sustain impact cracks from wooden cases. I would not = hesistate to recomend one of these. They will build to custom order as = well. http://www.caltoncases.com/categories/Custom-Fitted-Instrument-Cases/=

Also it seems like carbon fiber technology = is really starting to hit its stride and ther are new players cropping = up all over though for the most part they have limited sizes and models: = like this company whose stuff I've seen and is beautifully = made.

As far as gig bags go, I = think these are still available. http://www.protecmusic.com/items.aspx?ProductID=3D406&InstrumentID=3D16&a= mp;InstrumentGroupID=3D4&CategoryID=3D2&subCategoryID=3D45Thes= e have rigid side protection and built amazing tough and strong. I've = had mine for 10 years and still going strong. These would work for solid = body guitars and some thinlines but not full size = guitars.
 Bill
= --Apple-Mail-1-123149775-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 17:19:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 276773BE89; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_aad16d8f-689f-4f06-90b4-66087c7d0cd8_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.2.151] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: More Eigenharp info + Stick comparison Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:19:52 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2010 17:19:53.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[08536F20:01CB5D9F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:19:56 +0000 (UTC) --_aad16d8f-689f-4f06-90b4-66087c7d0cd8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah=2C I see what you mean here Per. I love sequenced beats and drum loops= /machines personally but this example is just badly done from a groove poin= t of view. I think maybe the player thought "oh I'll put some drums underne= ath this tune" and grabbed the nearest loop that seemed to fit. The drums a= re just badly done in this example. =20 Peace =20 G =20 > Date: Sun=2C 26 Sep 2010 13:57:55 +0200 > Subject: More Eigenharp info + Stick comparison > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loo pers-delight.com >=20 > New great CDM round-up on the Eigenharp http://bit.ly/9w73ci! I > personally prefer the Chapman Stick though http://bit.ly/a9kA6E. Both > instruments offer the musician to instantly play two different > sounding rigs by each hand. Sometimes when I get bored with looping=2C > because it is so hard to use with rubato playing=2C I get relief to play > the Stick without looping. When watching the Eigenharp videos it > surprises me that so many players go for music based on "beats and > sequenced patterns"... like they totally miss the big point with the > Eigenharp as I get it=3B to free your playing form a fixed tempo and to > use tempo for your own musical expression. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 = --_aad16d8f-689f-4f06-90b4-66087c7d0cd8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah=2C I see what you mean here Per. I love sequenced beats and drum loops= /machines personally but this example is just badly done from a groove poin= t of view. =3BI think maybe the player thought "oh I'll put some drums = underneath this tune" and grabbed the nearest loop that seemed to fit. The = drums are just badly done in this example.
 =3B
Peace
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>=3B Date: Sun=2C 26 Sep 2010 13:57:55 +0200
>=3B S= ubject: More Eigenharp info + Stick comparison
>=3B From: perboysen@gm= ail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Deligh= t@loo pers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B New great CDM round-up on t= he Eigenharp http://bit.ly/9w73ci! I
>=3B personally prefer the Chapma= n Stick though http://bit.ly/a9kA6E. Both
>=3B instruments offer the m= usician to instantly play two different
>=3B sounding rigs by each han= d. Sometimes when I get bored with looping=2C
>=3B because it is so ha= rd to use with rubato playing=2C I get relief to play
>=3B the Stick w= ithout looping. When watching the Eigenharp videos it
>=3B surprises m= e that so many players go for music based on "beats and
>=3B sequenced= patterns"... like they totally miss the big point with the
>=3B Eigen= harp as I get it=3B to free your playing form a fixed tempo and to
>= =3B use tempo for your own musical expression.
>=3B
>=3B Greetin= gs from Sweden
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>=3B Per Boysen
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>=3B www.looproom.com internet music hub
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= --_aad16d8f-689f-4f06-90b4-66087c7d0cd8_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 17:25:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE98C3BE8B; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20100926101325.3544D3BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-124562774 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: RE: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:25:24 -0700 References: <20100926101325.3544D3BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:25:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-124562774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Oh and another thing, new company USA made lots of choices. http://www.carbonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php --Apple-Mail-2-124562774 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Oh and another thing, new company  USA made lots of choices.

http://www.carbonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php --Apple-Mail-2-124562774-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 18:18:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5BBB3BE89; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=IaBXX2vApnrpmpJmDvywMMWZuLifwlcQeVxqW2NOE6s=; b=VxUzkAVt/U4AZejj/YTiWoFtCuO3jcAddc3SCbOUVyGa60KS3rqVoBnHap0QDdUp2c g7BaUUvu/EfiLxEXUWO4VHYg6q+Md1nbIs61gJQ5WM+XmHlMtWcNftDJ7YigR3pTUCOB ArbIb1uIacREkhIF6S/tVQ06RyQvLdBlidVKw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=YNrjsHj8qQpdD/Bq4Ly0fIpALeQ0LJ4WCYL4IpOyuhCvfB3sQpZUrN6Pn+vRUxbys0 Cozn6J+9aMtnSpsI6+RaYkdjxSvvYyAWDIV0xp4OP0mu+KdlSIjQmkkwq05o4WDEniTU dpqbA/YYV+P6A+lksiDDSWJ83jZpz34eZ3TCg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com From: Tom Swirly Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:17:52 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8vwWiNiv3ULGg_YKlZLmXFv8r48 Message-ID: Subject: softstep mailing list. To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e649ce4683b8e104912da23e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:18:14 +0000 (UTC) --0016e649ce4683b8e104912da23e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I created a mailing list for Softstep owners or prospective owners and it is here: http://groups.google.com/group/softstep I have mine on order. :-D -- /t http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 --0016e649ce4683b8e104912da23e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I created a mailing list for Softstep owners or prospective owners and it i= s here: =C2=A0http://gr= oups.google.com/group/softstep

I have mine on order.= =C2=A0:-D=C2=A0

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--0016e6dbe7e956a2ac04912dae9c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 19:33:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 575D03BE89; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285529579; bh=pUjLzVaqdrEpKy4ebhIGYerle5SX1/BIF790PJQ7+G0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZkjC8STgwGcBDCI/mxan/BSDpV/NmZz7u1wgFa6BoB45Bhk6KO5UsZ97kPB2osYxsQF7fjJJ8oTFWRTc3XlEzjOjnONRqpp/Wt+lxY3o/JQB9VLke8NnCUegOvr+RLqCyaaaIVu4ogp0D8i3zBT4oM1C06f/Snwjq4DRF56L5iY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PV1DPswTUQQk3yW/JV9SM3Ry5FshFKD5ZjTLj15a9Mhla4iLBj/7RWcV7BFnskZc96oWyiAv2f82H5xpRRI0CPnIQ4Nbd8psCUDJEf2M6iLT6krgjSFa6dEH52ikaheQceCRwbyjhWzLpoVaL4UyjgmBz81yvt0UUaWalnB85ZM=; Message-ID: <831338.84072.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0yTjUikVM1mUpdtin1JoF3Q3c2rDtPSDtPj1uWZlnnBmeTN YSJATL1DIU9beMRSkPSr72DKmYb3maGm3ZrPjnyBDmPpgr5UktNXHkNBr8Ub qaqBB3Xe1Uog3UZYrIwK7P0UALXc92DRVRgPUaFBf24lMeYdJKWxpIHohR.P VBrnEjTm3Z2KVOBa8VsdMs1sqUeVbXjJBrYdTu3lf5kQ7q6Ue6IHNBUAblZt wpaTeeEfGp6QH3MyOpS9ahs9uWCssqL3FXPRgzfyL2_0R_RtnIa3QDe9oqwF CM2GofC33tTvVwe06vp9C601IuIX3vDHxMOu5fpMREUkmyXOclKDAAwfxP9U 01wEhnh.iWL0_7yTfUFd0tM7x3fLPEl1i X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 12:32:59 -0700 (PDT) From: keith mcmillen Subject: Re: silent switches- one more reason To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1237243645-1285529579=:84072" Resent-Message-ID: <8WIOxC.A.vvE.t_5nMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:33:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-1237243645-1285529579=:84072 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, The silent switch thing is one more reason I made the SoftStep. I have received complaints from customers, engineers and audiences for over 30 years like: "Can you get rid of all that clicking noise when you play"? Good Human Interface design and decent software has removed hard switching from more and more modern devices so I figure it is time we stop dragging our feet (sorry) and distracting people with our decisions. For a long time I was concerned about the tactile feedback issue, but I find I can set up the sensitivity of an event so that there is no doubt that I have pressed a key on the SoftStep without having to hear about it. Keith Keith McMillen www.keithmcmillen.com www.beamfoundation.org "Music For A New Reason" ________________________________ From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 2:03:31 PM Subject: Re: silent switches- Jamman Stereo looper experiences so far yes,is fun finally looping with a small stompbox in stereo,if u do panning delays etc.,is a bit limited as far as looping features but the fact that it has a microphone input,and room to load up samples all in a small stomp makes it interesting.Plus i can finally do it all without a mixer! because you can regulate the input of both guitar and mic separately. However i also tried it in the aux of a mixer because it can overload quite easy going straight into the mic input if u use vocal effects before it like i do with my voice tone create and harmony g which both have input volume gains. The jamman also has a "dry defeat" to use in the aux of a mixer feature But i found that the panorama of the stereo efx iarent as nice with this configuration,they tend to sound a bit more mono... i dont understand why though,i go into the line 6 m9 with my stereo guitar signal then the outs of the m9 straight into 2 separate mixer channels hard panned the mixer has 2 aux sends which i connect to the inputs of the jamman stereo and return them to separate channels on the mixer which i hard pan left and right.But still when i loop the pingpong delay signals from the M9 it doesnt sound as spread out as going directly into the jamman... The time stretching is also cool and i was surprised that it dones not create so many artifacts like a lof the other stuff,though it only works if u save a sample into a memory slot,also once you have done any overdubbing on top of that you will not be able to time stretch.It seems that that feature is more geared towards accompaniment. The software to manage samples is also really easy to use and now it works great in a mac as well! If those buttons were a bit more quiet it would be great,thats why im looking to perhaps have them replaced... all in all a little simple cool box if u dont want to carry stereo rack gear,samplers and mixers. cheers Luis On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Milo wrote: If you can find the specifications of the Jamman stereo looper switches, perhaps there is a similar product in the market. If you have good soldering skills, it is worth a shot. > > > >On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Louie Angulo >wrote: > >hi gang, >>ive been testing the new jamman stereo looper,not bad really,it can be quite >>interesting combined with the M9 >>the one thing i dont like about it is the switches they are terribly loud! do >>you think it would be easy to replace them with more silent switches or a >>complicated task? anybody ever replaced switches on digitech pedals?what kind of >>switches would you suggest? >>actually the ones on the Digitech FS 300 footswitcher are really nice and quite >>they should have put those on! >>thanx >>Luis >> > --0-1237243645-1285529579=:84072 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi,

The silent switch thing is one more reason I made the SoftStep. I have received complaints from customers, engineers and audiences for over 30 years like: "Can you get rid of all that clicking noise when you play"? 

Good Human Interface design and decent software has removed hard switching from more and more modern devices so I figure it is time we stop dragging our feet (sorry) and distracting people with our decisions.

For a long time I was concerned about the tactile feedback issue, but I find I can set up the sensitivity of an event so that there is no doubt that I have pressed a key on the SoftStep without having to hear about it. 

Keith
 
Keith McMillen
www.keithmcmillen.com
www.beamfoundation.org
"Music For A New Reason"


From: Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 2:03:31 PM
Subject: Re: silent switches- Jamman Stereo looper experiences so far

yes,is  fun finally looping with a small stompbox in stereo,if u do panning delays etc.,is a bit limited as far as looping features but the fact that it has a microphone input,and room to load up samples all in a small stomp makes it interesting.Plus i can finally do it all without a mixer! because you can regulate the input of both guitar and mic separately.
However i also tried it in the aux of a mixer because it can overload quite easy going straight into the mic input if u use vocal effects before it like i do with my voice tone create and harmony g which both have input volume gains.
The jamman also has a "dry defeat" to use in the aux of a mixer  feature But i found that the panorama of the stereo efx iarent as nice with this configuration,they tend to sound a bit more mono...
i dont understand why though,i go into the line 6 m9  with my stereo guitar signal then the outs of the m9 straight into 2 separate mixer channels hard panned
the mixer has 2 aux sends which i connect to the inputs of the jamman stereo and return them to separate channels on the mixer which i hard pan left and right.But still when i loop the pingpong delay signals from the M9 it doesnt sound as spread out as going directly into the jamman...
The time stretching is also cool and i was surprised that it dones not create so many artifacts like a lof the other stuff,though it only works if u save a sample into a memory slot,also once you have done any overdubbing on top of that you will not be able to time stretch.It seems that that feature is more geared towards accompaniment.
The software to manage samples is also really easy to use and now it works great in a mac as well!
If  those buttons were a bit more quiet it would be great,thats why im looking to perhaps have them replaced...
all in all a little simple cool box if u dont want to carry stereo rack gear,samplers and mixers.
cheers
Luis
 


 
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Milo <milo.vuc@gmail.com> wrote:
If you can find the specifications of the Jamman stereo looper switches, perhaps there is a similar product in the market. If you have good soldering skills, it is worth a shot.


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
hi gang,
ive been testing the new jamman stereo looper,not bad really,it can be quite interesting combined with the M9
the one thing i dont like about it is the switches they are terribly loud! do you think it would be easy to replace them with more silent switches or a complicated task? anybody ever replaced switches on digitech pedals?what kind of switches would you suggest?
actually the ones on the Digitech FS 300 footswitcher are really nice and quite they should have put those on!
thanx
Luis


--0-1237243645-1285529579=:84072-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 26 19:59:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 379EC3BE89; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <80B42987-A2DA-4AC1-BC0D-209DD91F424A@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-133829265 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: RE: Rackless (and not going the computer route) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 12:59:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:59:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-133829265 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > >> I need a small mixer that would fit on my pedalboard. It doesn't need to be sophisticated. It just needs to support mixing a couple of stereo inputs to a stereo output. Does anyone have any suggestions? though not exactly a mixer, http://www.lehle.com/frameset.php?country=us&lang=en , this is a true stereo dual effects looper with a highly quality buffer amp, that can be used as one. I still have one and I can't believe no one on the list bought it the last time I posted it a few months back. Its a first generation none midi, D-Loop and of the highest quality. I currently have it on loan to someone local who is using it as a mixer putting one instrument in to the main input, and an instrument each into both returns of the loops and then out via the stereo main output. if you want to have complete isolation between the inputs you would have to use a simple 1/4 trs dummy plug inserted in to each loop's send, but in your case thats not an issue i don't think . I keep thinking I might use it again but I'm trying to pair back a bit and jettison gear that gets neglected. Contact me off list if interested. Thanks Bill --Apple-Mail-3-133829265 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Mark Hamburg = wrote:
> > 
> >> I need a small mixer that would fit on my = pedalboard. It doesn't need to be sophisticated. It just needs to = support mixing a couple of stereo inputs to a stereo output. Does anyone = have any suggestions?
 though not = exactly a mixer, http= ://www.lehle.com/frameset.php?country=3Dus&lang=3Den,  t= his is a true stereo dual effects looper with a highly quality buffer = amp, that can be used as one.  I still have one and I can't believe = no one on the list bought it  the last time I posted it a few = months back. Its a first generation none midi, D-Loop and of the highest = quality. I currently have it on loan to someone local who is using it as = a mixer putting one instrument in to the main input, and an instrument =  each into both returns of the loops and then out via the stereo = main output. if you want to have complete isolation between the inputs = you would have to use a simple 1/4 trs dummy plug inserted in to each = loop's send, but in your case thats not an issue i don't think .  I = keep thinking I might use it again but I'm trying to pair back a bit and = jettison gear that gets neglected. Contact me off list if = interested.
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 3:2= 6 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
I ordered one 2 minutes after the mail came in... Not sure that its gonna b= e here in time for me to er.. bring it back to the US for yk2-x... so Ill b= e luggin the slightly broken 1010 over, maybe Ill burn it at the end of my = set?

I will of course also report how it is after I do get it...


= M


On Sa= t, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:58 PM, George Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com= > wrote:
I got one on the = way Per. I will post to the list as soon as I can give her a good test run.=

Todd Matthews
On Sep 25, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Myself I wasn't able to wait for the delayed shipping date and as = I
> ran into an emergency I picked up the existing Gordius pedal to keep > momentum. If someone on the list is getting the SoftStep now it would<= br> > be nice if you could post your first impressions from a loopist's<= br> > perspective :-)
>
> http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/softstep/
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.c= om
> www.looproom.com= internet music hub
>




--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/= user825094
http://= www.looop.no

--0015175cb09e110eb3049139da96-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 09:46:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EE793BE8B; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 503391999/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.178/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.178 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwBAIcEoExYbRqy/2dsb2JhbAAHlCmXCr0bhUQEjS6JBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,242,1283727600"; d="scan'208";a="503391999" Message-ID: <4CA067F5.9070900@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:46:29 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rackless (and not going the computer route) References: <80B42987-A2DA-4AC1-BC0D-209DD91F424A@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <80B42987-A2DA-4AC1-BC0D-209DD91F424A@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:46:16 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: > though not exactly a mixer, > http://www.lehle.com/frameset.php?country=us&lang=en > , this is a true > stereo dual effects looper with a highly quality buffer amp, that can be > used as one. I still have one and I can't believe no one on the list > bought it the last time I posted it a few months back. Interesting, any chance you could name the product you're refering to? (they have a website which doesn't let you link to individual products) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 09:50:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5CA73BE8C; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yUm1gdRIkLeTPN3aJkcdaxyfhkpamcuasxrp2TBCRX8=; b=QXP5HnuS9ZORNRcfxbl17D1TdY4gdVZtuYvl7HK9C4bYGojLxXfIa3D8ZG+Dlu0yPZ 4l8KFoq/tSskQpbp37CG0tl8Yd4e/MDISOtSAteI/hWF0q8uJSBgQUYhGqSXRDkl5Cw2 BXpWGXZbdbUISNudhvgLmRkd11eis4JHXc4Wg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=B5hjlekqcQSDRWG2cy7w4HzJMHVxtY//JMWGzAzK+vRHzl04ATINE6F72Op3dtQMI/ vSXGHpqhiAIB0eoQqJoFZ3SD4ffsP1pTeYC15WyqJJPwNNsN5sDS0JtyBRJsvhh8gCLp QAdXFAZUmGQ3CdtNz/MFkVCjZhKfd6Z2/VrBQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <80B42987-A2DA-4AC1-BC0D-209DD91F424A@baymoon.com> References: <80B42987-A2DA-4AC1-BC0D-209DD91F424A@baymoon.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:50:29 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rackless (and not going the computer route) From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:50:30 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:59 PM, William Walker wr= ote: > =A0though not exactly a > mixer,=A0http://www.lehle.com/frameset.php?country=3Dus&lang=3Den,=A0=A0t= his is a true > stereo dual effects looper with a highly quality buffer amp, that can be > used as one. =A0I still have one and I can't believe no one on the list b= ought > it =A0the last time I posted it a few months back. Thanks for posting it again Bill, I missed your 1st post. Looks like a quality brand, will check it out. --=20 Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 09:52:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16F563BE91; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 503395398/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.178/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.178 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwBAKYFoExYbRqy/2dsb2JhbAAHlCrUGoVEBI0u X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,242,1283727600"; d="scan'208";a="503395398" Message-ID: <4CA0696D.60108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:52:45 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rackless (and not going the computer route) References: <4C9F1505.30706@tiscali.co.uk> <4C9F207C.9010205@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:52:31 +0000 (UTC) hi Mark, As it's passive, no worries about sound quality. It will let you mix 2 stereo signals. You'd have to use Y-cables on the inputs *and* output. In most situations the output of this box would then need to be fed to a stereo DI with gain make-up. Sorry to not be more help. andy Mark Hamburg wrote: > Is this essentially what I'm looking for and does anyone have any experience with ART equipment? > > http://www.artproaudio.com/products.asp?type=90&cat=13&id=155 > > If I read the description properly, it can split a stereo mix to two outputs and mix two stereo inputs to one mix output. > > Thanks. > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 10:09:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBA123BE8C; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:mime-version :content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to:references:message-id :x-mailer; bh=KKDpRLBLhOEriQH5uwIiWliSi5s3DpjjWlIpbUQMW5E=; b=mO87aINy0SssQIXSz6/o9J84WS1515sxnO9Pon1u4gJSZjeu/lp7ypavTehZIY6BsH GiHtwAqwlQLZkyUue8LqomtfNgSFPHvBC5pIxYF8TEZ6lOY9WE7VjptPyrpb2eDE9lrp JaAiCxkKKs5ZDZjFkJmM8J0D6hUMlj5l4K+90= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; b=oqKEJUpWSE+84IDkubchr8F2L8X6yPCcrBJdHdctNz0On3tWTWMs5yrS2UX6Dsjm3I ZBgZBLkTyo4qj0MH22+AEjWxV7tU6ArUE+ZpuuNEWpbQWv/Gq+fb+7APsvkeopEw+gDf kuBnCHq1V332rj/GZBYSwNemACQZZH0m3uFdE= From: George Matthews Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-184811912 Subject: Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship(question) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:09:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: <1Z701B.A.ZtF.g1GoMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:09:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-184811912 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Luis, Yes it sends midi note and your are correct that you do not need the = midi expander. The midi expander would just give you the option to go = into your midi port on your fw400 if you needed to free up a usb port on = your laptop. -Todd Mathews On Sep 27, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Hi guys, > just to make sure,this will be able to send note ons/off as well = correct? i dont see in the manual a midi chart > im also assuming if i use mobius with my RME fw400 soundcard i wont = need the expander,correct? so i woiuld go softstep usb into laptop and = firewire cable out to RME interface > thanx > Luis >=20 > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 3:26 PM, mark francombe = wrote: > I ordered one 2 minutes after the mail came in... Not sure that its = gonna be here in time for me to er.. bring it back to the US for = yk2-x... so Ill be luggin the slightly broken 1010 over, maybe Ill burn = it at the end of my set? >=20 > I will of course also report how it is after I do get it... >=20 >=20 > M >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:58 PM, George Matthews = wrote: > I got one on the way Per. I will post to the list as soon as I can = give her a good test run. >=20 > Todd Matthews > On Sep 25, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 > > Myself I wasn't able to wait for the delayed shipping date and as I > > ran into an emergency I picked up the existing Gordius pedal to keep > > momentum. If someone on the list is getting the SoftStep now it = would > > be nice if you could post your first impressions from a loopist's > > perspective :-) > > > > http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/softstep/ > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se > > www.perboysen.com > > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-184811912 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi Luis,

Yes it sends midi note and your are correct that you do not need the midi expander. The midi expander would just give you the option to go into your midi port on your fw400 if you needed to free up a usb port on your laptop.


-Todd Mathews
On Sep 27, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Louie Angulo wrote:

Hi guys,
just to make sure,this will be able to send note ons/off as well correct? i dont see in the manual a midi chart
im also assuming if i use mobius with my RME fw400 soundcard i wont need the expander,correct? so i woiuld go softstep usb into laptop and firewire cable out to RME interface
thanx
Luis

On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 3:26 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
I ordered one 2 minutes after the mail came in... Not sure that its gonna be here in time for me to er.. bring it back to the US for yk2-x... so Ill be luggin the slightly broken 1010 over, maybe Ill burn it at the end of my set?

I will of course also report how it is after I do get it...


M


On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:58 PM, George Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:
I got one on the way Per. I will post to the list as soon as I can give her a good test run.

Todd Matthews
On Sep 25, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Myself I wasn't able to wait for the delayed shipping date and as I
> ran into an emergency I picked up the existing Gordius pedal to keep
> momentum. If someone on the list is getting the SoftStep now it would
> be nice if you could post your first impressions from a loopist's
> perspective :-)
>
> http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/softstep/
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> www.looproom.com internet music hub
>




--
mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no


--Apple-Mail-1-184811912-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 10:17:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDFBF3BE91; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yeCn8ms3Nvw4cvEYnZcb0n1NNq/ciwVnM0eYBCYtxFI=; b=F3YSL9FHKIOOoHta/VEJXAQlNoIMULQumUqKlYzxfOibomLB2LQvdu1KWch37aHvBf bPFmdx//5IMk4dmvinPj6I7tQoTy7MMOwoSXTK0nlUQdo72Qv9xfIkR1k3FvZk8GSgM4 cUMZ2XaABpbUMuQTV5Q6aMqRv4e6AifVi0LUM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=t/53ktgsl9BG2D2GTKt+qiPxewm99s2XJP1NNyYB+tWaAXF8+IiftqRaZUmCl93MEb PD56hMfMJq7U9cPo6FqIWSxXDwIarho6zdNbZlW9fPwixTdWlybXCALJ3AwubIsbsJ1Q 0VLRPJXwnlD92xpX1KCqp5HNSjSHzHy31UDBs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:17:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship(question) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <8lfAW.A.x4F.T9GoMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:17:55 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > so i woiuld go softstep usb into laptop and firewire cable out to RME > interface Yes, but those are two different matters; one is MIDI transmission and one is audio transmission. The two processes are miles apart, witch is a good thing. Didn't we discuss Softstep's ability to send MIDI note on/off on this list a while back? If my memory serves me correctly Keith chimed to state that notes can be sent. Since it is about to ship now I guess the manual will be up at the site so you can check it out to be sure. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 12:38:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E761E3BE89; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13096388.4350871285591098376.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:38:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Massimo Liverani Reply-To: Massimo Liverani To: Subject: R: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SenderIP: 85.47.237.138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Yes, i know, i was in their list so they emailed me, but i don't think that it could arrive here in Italy before my leaving for the Y2KX fest... unfortunately! cause it could help me not to count on Fabio Anile's 1010... Maybe could it arrive in S. Cruz and buy it there? PS: Bill what do you say? Max Liver > >Myself I wasn't able to wait for the delayed shipping date and as I >ran into an emergency I picked up the existing Gordius pedal to keep >momentum. If someone on the list is getting the SoftStep now it would >be nice if you could post your first impressions from a loopist's >perspective :-) > >http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/softstep/ > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se >www.perboysen.com >www.looproom.com internet music hub > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 14:22:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59F1B3BE8E; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9DtEmhSQ29GGSqlcKMj6F1wKGtFZUGJlZh9ITzD/QEA=; b=rhYdYpgzG2xqputH+HlwUpT7YRDicdg+fl4ya0slTgcLGEH5vTxP6foczJaQleUaFK H5juBKgmiSUPf8QSARhRb4Rfj3BEM21Uoo4ldBGHrd2ZwRdX4Myi0t8AMKUYwIKNhK4y YyEvtRY5fAJ/QErFtYh8P2GGveY70t5N2n/2M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GN2x9DPUxiNoN/WQ/UtcXMI/WuRzoZb7Wiv0Vbz2NueX1pYb9eSrhx6jpU0ZzzGrqX qZqZDC318dWd0bTT2Z7P/M6Ghrdh5Ww56FQqyxY+UpSl46PNuXIfpn3v6JX9cP6SBQA8 aKWerKmMqMBNj4qkhI+zfTENVj8qwrOiwmGmg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:22:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship(question) From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d58dac8daecb04913e76a4 Resent-Message-ID: <6j51Y.A.0hC.8iKoMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:22:52 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d58dac8daecb04913e76a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i did ask about note ons a while back and got no answer,plus the manual does not have a midi chart as far as i know cheers Luis On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Louie Angulo > wrote: > > so i woiuld go softstep usb into laptop and firewire cable out to RME > > interface > > > Yes, but those are two different matters; one is MIDI transmission and > one is audio transmission. The two processes are miles apart, witch is > a good thing. > > Didn't we discuss Softstep's ability to send MIDI note on/off on this > list a while back? If my memory serves me correctly Keith chimed to > state that notes can be sent. Since it is about to ship now I guess > the manual will be up at the site so you can check it out to be sure. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > --0016e6d58dac8daecb04913e76a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i did ask about note ons a while back and got no answer,plus the manual doe= s not have a midi chart as far as i know
cheers
Luis

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Louie Angulo
<louie.angulo@googlemail.= com> wrote:
> so i woiuld go softstep usb into laptop and firewire cable out to RME<= br> > interface


Yes, but those are two different matters; one is MIDI transmission an= d
one is audio transmission. The two processes are miles apart, witch is
a good thing.

Didn't we discuss Softstep's ability to send MIDI note on/off on th= is
list a while back? If my memory serves me correctly Keith chimed to
state that notes can be sent. Since it is about to ship now I guess
the manual will be up at the site so you can check it out to be sure.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub


--0016e6d58dac8daecb04913e76a4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 16:19:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC4CB3BE8F; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=PTcTFUCVv+aNKl6XjAUELbkShj9sp7F/EeCuWBMgO7Q=; b=mHE432CELfcd3j1C+4GrgPAAzyvy7jNUSsBMWgxsfAgapEQ5welGrHOOMIfZtfanPO WYwyx8sDaIfq9/SVimWacGwNbHNj9kv/4B5cLwsx+ruuTlYRHiHFWIq0sjbWGop4JLvu m/2IqFYb7pdcHav+zvm89XgVEn+l3oFRPy8DU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=IGCQADQmxdCC1dZEAtAx2j7E5DXvSGydpUd2HEzLqEMLu/mt6crdq8XhEzyyRXMWzv aVn0mZgtzKqJWgwV1a7KhRTQ3iVnmcf74aldUUX5kow0pGC5mIkTRM0gcQPB5Zuak251 KQv/OClEmnQJQCr+PpfolM01bxoh6BMvs/sDc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: Tom Swirly Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:19:29 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: RdCdTLg21EiL0dwJyt8QQW5pzbw Message-ID: Subject: Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship(question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, softstep@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f8a545b0d399504914019b5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:19:52 +0000 (UTC) --00c09f8a545b0d399504914019b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There isn't a MIDI chart in the manual but page 17 in the channel mentions the output destinations, they being Note, CC, Bank, Program, OSC (Open Sound Control), Pitch Bend, MMC, Aftertouch, or Poly Aftertouch (no Sys Ex? :-D) and implies that there are further controls that you can set once you've chosen a destination. So we'll have to wait and see! Overall, I have been really impressed by the musicality of software as shown in the manual. If you need something "vanilla" like just note offs or just note ons, I'd anticipate that it would either do it right out of the box, or an early software update would fix it. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > i did ask about note ons a while back and got no answer,plus the manual > does not have a midi chart as far as i know > cheers > Luis > > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Louie Angulo >> wrote: >> > so i woiuld go softstep usb into laptop and firewire cable out to RME >> > interface >> >> >> Yes, but those are two different matters; one is MIDI transmission and >> one is audio transmission. The two processes are miles apart, witch is >> a good thing. >> >> Didn't we discuss Softstep's ability to send MIDI note on/off on this >> list a while back? If my memory serves me correctly Keith chimed to >> state that notes can be sent. Since it is about to ship now I guess >> the manual will be up at the site so you can check it out to be sure. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se >> www.perboysen.com >> www.looproom.com internet music hub >> >> > -- /t http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 --00c09f8a545b0d399504914019b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There isn't a MIDI chart in the manual but page 17 in the channel menti= ons the output destinations, they being=C2=A0Note, CC, Bank, Program, OSC (= Open Sound Control),=C2=A0Pitch Bend, MMC, Aftertouch, or Poly Aftertouch (= no Sys Ex? =C2=A0:-D) and implies that there are further controls that you = can set once you've chosen a destination. =C2=A0

So we'll have to wait and see!

Ov= erall, I have been really impressed by the musicality of software as shown = in the manual. =C2=A0

If you need something "= vanilla" like just note offs or just note ons, I'd anticipate that= it would either do it right out of the box, or an early software update wo= uld fix it.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM, = Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
i did ask about note ons a while back and got no answer,plus the manual doe= s not have a midi chart as far as i know
cheers
Luis
<= div class=3D"h5">

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at= 12:17 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27, 20= 10 at 10:52 AM, Louie Angulo
<louie.= angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
> so i woiuld go softstep usb into laptop and firewire cable out to RME<= br> > interface


Yes, but those are two different matters; one is MIDI transmission an= d
one is audio transmission. The two processes are miles apart, witch is
a good thing.

Didn't we discuss Softstep's ability to send MIDI note on/off on th= is
list a while back? If my memory serves me correctly Keith chimed to
state that notes can be sent. Since it is about to ship now I guess
the manual will be up at the site so you can check it out to be sure.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub





--
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0 /t

http://radio.swirly= .com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000
--00c09f8a545b0d399504914019b5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 16:21:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 454403BE8E; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285604474; bh=t071UfDHEZTlaaaHCXIcqewp2bDcVnsyx6Nmn29ipZk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=waFJtvF1fXQmcqZg5C5vkcb8UQHrqq7hHbmn9xtVY/sLjM8RjOIpPOBWlv1hsiGTSsXeBn6tDPLsUMKGVoTl+bSOqtMchPqyqg7orRk8xqdF4P+DBD888TKuHR7PtM5vbDg6ms/gwRMf4syatKoVJNG8YDwFxT1JWBIlID2EN1o= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eDufKgfzqLD26PRCp+unqp7xOMrxDcTKndymisOBbsaoTJE05a4zXRUVLGnbINzN6Ezw1D+3W7f57vgFQt7N/WPKrNdUizTsB+UnpazBLBh6iAP9ViCcVjM2C88+k/bCn74E2EWfgihonr7toTCd2Xve8M76/0Fzubc+Rs+PkYs=; Message-ID: <102117.95805.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FX9XBcIVM1nPQnEH6UCDlwBu.YQwS12jCJrBO7hN8lklXLj xK4LRTszxRWuULbSVQyGg3819luWw0Dt62xBUO4IMfj.rb2sJ2HOyiddCnN2 0XChfzLmJcHPHQQwW1N3rnKNAaCBl7_8d7xtTB5gQR7buwxb4sVOffPqE7LT JdtEvIyryK6aUcYpcauH4GkEsTMoxiLKZ5.MpA9_joT_WxVpAzYXsqAhEInd o6yTIEKFNIQpqpZMVWX1K6AmSVBZeIwoqiCgQvQsiWbceq0ZV_4w4yOwaNj5 L.EHOnH5lpzYs1quREbMyG5b6SNegMjFa70Z0TAPpNkT_eP1mV_rk9GPhBSW YPii8lEUQgkwZcjTuPQ0y9plKGS5i83cx X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: keith mcmillen Subject: What is sent - SOftStep To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: sarah@kesumo.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2092609828-1285604473=:95805" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:21:15 +0000 (UTC) --0-2092609828-1285604473=:95805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, We send Notes, CCs, Machine Control (MMC), Bank, Program change, Aftertouch, Poly Aftertouch, OSC and Bend. We will get the destination details up in the next manual revision - thanks for bringing this to our attention. Keith Keith McMillen www.keithmcmillen.com www.beamfoundation.org "Music For A New Reason" ________________________________ From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 7:22:48 AM Subject: Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship(question) i did ask about note ons a while back and got no answer,plus the manual does not have a midi chart as far as i know cheers Luis On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Louie Angulo > wrote: >> so i woiuld go softstep usb into laptop and firewire cable out to RME >> interface > > >Yes, but those are two different matters; one is MIDI transmission and >one is audio transmission. The two processes are miles apart, witch is >a good thing. > >Didn't we discuss Softstep's ability to send MIDI note on/off on this >list a while back? If my memory serves me correctly Keith chimed to >state that notes can be sent. Since it is about to ship now I guess >the manual will be up at the site so you can check it out to be sure. > > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se >www.perboysen.com >www.looproom.com internet music hub > > --0-2092609828-1285604473=:95805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi,

We send Notes, CCs, Machine Control (MMC), Bank, Program change, Aftertouch, Poly Aftertouch, OSC and Bend. 

We will get the destination details up in the next manual revision - thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Keith
 
Keith McMillen
www.keithmcmillen.com
www.beamfoundation.org
"Music For A New Reason"


From: Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 7:22:48 AM
Subject: Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship(question)

i did ask about note ons a while back and got no answer,plus the manual does not have a midi chart as far as i know
cheers
Luis

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Louie Angulo
<louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
> so i woiuld go softstep usb into laptop and firewire cable out to RME
> interface


Yes, but those are two different matters; one is MIDI transmission and
one is audio transmission. The two processes are miles apart, witch is
a good thing.

Didn't we discuss Softstep's ability to send MIDI note on/off on this
list a while back? If my memory serves me correctly Keith chimed to
state that notes can be sent. Since it is about to ship now I guess
the manual will be up at the site so you can check it out to be sure.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub


--0-2092609828-1285604473=:95805-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 16:52:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A871A3BE8D; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <74E14FC8-04B9-485C-8D61-A8B163EB4104@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Rackless (and not going the computer route) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:52:17 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Interesting, any chance you could name the product you're referring to? (they have a website which doesn't let you link to individual products) andy Its called the D-Loop, they also have to different mixers but both are single mono units. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 17:11:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27EE13BE8F; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 402 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:11:02 UTC Message-ID: <20100927170420.28620.qmail@sgt-zeno.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_1285607059286170" X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 3.023 (F2.74; A2.04; B3.05; Q3.03) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:04:19 +0000 Subject: Take a look at this... Reply-To: "Michael Klobuchar" To: "Loopers-Delight" From: "Michael Klobuchar" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:11:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_1285607059286170 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 these could be fun i think =09 I have found an interesting web page at a site called soundadviceblog.com The address (URL) is: http://www.soundadviceblog.com/amazing-keychain-video-camera-for-800-delive= red/ michael Klobuchar ----------------------------------------- Powered by http://www.refer-a-buddy.com= --_----------=_1285607059286170 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

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--_----------=_1285607059286170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 17:17:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BFB03BE92; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285607846; bh=r7KvybwFze2lQa12kyv9loKDxLlJThPs7i++Xmn6rBs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=k538moaRXSybE8RgtexjKVUcLHDDT+VibKNnGTwXaVV/U4VfcMV85alEc9bPupKo1jFs51GUZo0zv5wEyk0GCvFyc9+6sBFcwONdM03DIPE67p2okYzTCUsw9YkNJxOjC8wvLlf6hDG4hEFUv1EzwtjD52+hpQDBmNnDr5mjDyc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0uDHIHnOvOifbmevvQDBuQINI280YdNmzNy1Nz4UJggfN6dy8z+Q7nLltbcuE3cXOxz/317tB67pLx46R3EkNosf5zjbkHahxXDjigB3VhXPm6a6Kpvo5Dt0Os6a/pqetw13ES9RSWBT920HPn46SorWs6qarNfDtvpPS3KxMpA=; Message-ID: <849277.70863.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tYbGOQYVM1lcV3O90nxXGYwQAkLC.UBj.AMbqxM4BUVZpah TFw7CNevomQzlIxCLLrAX9rr5wOVnz4On7yHIt6fFYg9EP2a9oeE6UihY1AY xxp9F0wKaq1WFiYC6XOESnkrJ.jwT1nMojiHA48woE3WQTtPIpEYQmLBADkT F8iSLrPm3_ZZsZekUJ1Vyl_6zmKCpMbY9f.AtEcUVgam0DVmsN660sGsB3Lm UzRwEcPjx8bQCk60OU2bxmXULnI1U9kHszje0P0EpfgeOYpHxRGy8zToKRgh laULpG7ssqiSE0lvLe006tQUO98uE7IAVv33nTWqYvdGZ2IquBotK9tctx2g Kg7DXHh5mjHZwj6v.F3Aab8akOje1FC5Zg4lJ X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:17:26 -0700 (PDT) From: keith mcmillen Subject: Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship(question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, softstep@googlegroups.com Cc: Tom Ferguson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1835567062-1285607846=:70863" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:17:28 +0000 (UTC) --0-1835567062-1285607846=:70863 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, We have a demo video that will go up soon showing us play Mussorgsky's Pictures at and Exhibition from the SostStep using 5 note chords - so we do send note on and note offs. thx, Keith Keith McMillen www.keithmcmillen.com www.beamfoundation.org "Music For A New Reason" ________________________________ From: Tom Swirly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; softstep@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 9:19:29 AM Subject: Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship(question) There isn't a MIDI chart in the manual but page 17 in the channel mentions the output destinations, they being Note, CC, Bank, Program, OSC (Open Sound Control), Pitch Bend, MMC, Aftertouch, or Poly Aftertouch (no Sys Ex? :-D) and implies that there are further controls that you can set once you've chosen a destination. So we'll have to wait and see! Overall, I have been really impressed by the musicality of software as shown in the manual. If you need something "vanilla" like just note offs or just note ons, I'd anticipate that it would either do it right out of the box, or an early software update would fix it. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: i did ask about note ons a while back and got no answer,plus the manual does not have a midi chart as far as i know >cheers >Luis > > > >On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Louie Angulo >> wrote: >>> so i woiuld go softstep usb into laptop and firewire cable out to RME >>> interface >> >> >>Yes, but those are two different matters; one is MIDI transmission and >>one is audio transmission. The two processes are miles apart, witch is >>a good thing. >> >>Didn't we discuss Softstep's ability to send MIDI note on/off on this >>list a while back? If my memory serves me correctly Keith chimed to >>state that notes can be sent. Since it is about to ship now I guess >>the manual will be up at the site so you can check it out to be sure. >> >> >>Greetings from Sweden >> >>Per Boysen >>www.boysen.se >>www.perboysen.com >>www.looproom.com internet music hub >> >> > -- /t http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 --0-1835567062-1285607846=:70863 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi,

We have a demo video that will go up soon showing us play Mussorgsky's Pictures at and Exhibition from the SostStep using 5 note chords - so we do send note on and note offs.

thx,

Keith
 
Keith McMillen
www.keithmcmillen.com
www.beamfoundation.org
"Music For A New Reason"


From: Tom Swirly <tom@swirly.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; softstep@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 9:19:29 AM
Subject: Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship(question)

There isn't a MIDI chart in the manual but page 17 in the channel mentions the output destinations, they being Note, CC, Bank, Program, OSC (Open Sound Control), Pitch Bend, MMC, Aftertouch, or Poly Aftertouch (no Sys Ex?  :-D) and implies that there are further controls that you can set once you've chosen a destination.  

So we'll have to wait and see!

Overall, I have been really impressed by the musicality of software as shown in the manual.  

If you need something "vanilla" like just note offs or just note ons, I'd anticipate that it would either do it right out of the box, or an early software update would fix it.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
i did ask about note ons a while back and got no answer,plus the manual does not have a midi chart as far as i know
cheers
Luis


On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Louie Angulo
<louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
> so i woiuld go softstep usb into laptop and firewire cable out to RME
> interface


Yes, but those are two different matters; one is MIDI transmission and
one is audio transmission. The two processes are miles apart, witch is
a good thing.

Didn't we discuss Softstep's ability to send MIDI note on/off on this
list a while back? If my memory serves me correctly Keith chimed to
state that notes can be sent. Since it is about to ship now I guess
the manual will be up at the site so you can check it out to be sure.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub





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--0-1835567062-1285607846=:70863-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 17:20:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80A533BE98; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NTV7LRMdtCNtC1TCxMy+39iUXn/Kp8xVQaIYFRnsB8E=; b=Ta0KUnZR4j70J0jKGu7uLBE55caEHkZnR9l8szgoLa1rZccvEgTPHpXbYKWjuemq8k Lkwlp5b+BRTtc6VkX/qnwC794WMeitKumpaaPIGMIrCZ83QBiwKtF3zZvXCbtZK6Rsmm PrEruTa0RkPCvji5jyw+gKg9pzy0R7e0qXAvk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uY3bLSPcgxQioqbSMnCidvatyOrYvveGlQWXDbFYV3RMQMeT0dDIn9wwTYjMciB0rY eR9Os4SFBHjp6hsjujKKNGc5mw3Ye5lHVHr1m3Kui0gg4IqdGg/k95qn6kfj8TRX2vw1 cDt/d27SZP0KqlI/q8bKCaQsoxSHelbWkXR8Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <849277.70863.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <849277.70863.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:20:20 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship(question) From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65aeae472ffce049140f17e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:20:39 +0000 (UTC) --0016e65aeae472ffce049140f17e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 excellent Keith! i just order one,when do you think they will ship? i ordered it to my california adress because i will be playing overthere soon in acotober thanx man Luis On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:17 PM, keith mcmillen wrote: > Hi, > > We have a demo video that will go up soon showing us play Mussorgsky's > Pictures at and Exhibition from the SostStep using 5 note chords - so we do > send note on and note offs. > > thx, > > Keith > > Keith McMillen > www.keithmcmillen.com > www.beamfoundation.org > "Music For A New Reason" > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tom Swirly > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; softstep@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Mon, September 27, 2010 9:19:29 AM > *Subject:* Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to > ship(question) > > There isn't a MIDI chart in the manual but page 17 in the channel mentions > the output destinations, they being Note, CC, Bank, Program, OSC (Open Sound > Control), Pitch Bend, MMC, Aftertouch, or Poly Aftertouch (no Sys Ex? :-D) > and implies that there are further controls that you can set once you've > chosen a destination. > > So we'll have to wait and see! > > Overall, I have been really impressed by the musicality of software as > shown in the manual. > > If you need something "vanilla" like just note offs or just note ons, I'd > anticipate that it would either do it right out of the box, or an early > software update would fix it. > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Louie Angulo < > louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> i did ask about note ons a while back and got no answer,plus the manual >> does not have a midi chart as far as i know >> cheers >> Luis >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Louie Angulo >>> wrote: >>> > so i woiuld go softstep usb into laptop and firewire cable out to RME >>> > interface >>> >>> >>> Yes, but those are two different matters; one is MIDI transmission and >>> one is audio transmission. The two processes are miles apart, witch is >>> a good thing. >>> >>> Didn't we discuss Softstep's ability to send MIDI note on/off on this >>> list a while back? If my memory serves me correctly Keith chimed to >>> state that notes can be sent. Since it is about to ship now I guess >>> the manual will be up at the site so you can check it out to be sure. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.boysen.se >>> www.perboysen.com >>> www.looproom.com internet music hub >>> >>> >> > > > -- > /t > > http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 > --0016e65aeae472ffce049140f17e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable excellent Keith! i just order one,when do you think they will ship? i order= ed it to my california adress because i will be playing overthere soon in a= cotober
thanx man
Luis

On Mon, Sep = 27, 2010 at 7:17 PM, keith mcmillen <keefer07@yahoo.com> wrote:
<= div> Hi,

We have a demo video that will go up soon show= ing us play Mussorgsky's Pictures at and Exhibition from the SostStep u= sing 5 note chords - so we do send note on and note offs.

thx,

Keith
=A0
Keith McMillen <= br>www.kei= thmcmillen.com
www.beamfoundation.org
"Music For A New Reason"


From: Tom Swirly <tom@swirly.com= >
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com; softstep@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, September 27, 2= 010 9:19:29 AM
Subject:= Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship(question)

There isn't a MIDI chart in the manual= but page 17 in the channel mentions the output destinations, they being=A0= Note, CC, Bank, Program, OSC (Open Sound Control),=A0Pitch Bend, MMC, After= touch, or Poly Aftertouch (no Sys Ex? =A0:-D) and implies that there are fu= rther controls that you can set once you've chosen a destination. =A0
So we'll have to wait and see!

Ov= erall, I have been really impressed by the musicality of software as shown = in the manual. =A0

If you need something "van= illa" like just note offs or just note ons, I'd anticipate that it= would either do it right out of the box, or an early software update would= fix it.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM, = Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com&g= t; wrote:
i did ask about note ons a while back and got no answer,plus the manual doe= s not have a midi chart as far as i know
cheers
Luis
<= div>

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Pe= r Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep = 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Louie Angulo
<louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
> so i woiuld go softstep usb into laptop and firewire cable out to RME<= br> > interface


Yes, but those are two different matters; one is MIDI transmission an= d
one is audio transmission. The two processes are miles apart, witch is
a good thing.

Didn't we discuss Softstep's ability to send MIDI note on/off on th= is
list a while back? If my memory serves me correctly Keith chimed to
state that notes can be sent. Since it is about to ship now I guess
the manual will be up at the site so you can check it out to be sure.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boy= sen.se
www= .perboysen.com
www.= looproom.com internet music hub





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=A0 =A0=A0 = /t

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--0016e65aeae472ffce049140f17e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 17:53:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0F413BE91; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Uylcauzi5dUeSEufgmKLFiCuBzJl7TouLZ62Yf74K2Q=; b=kplDCytiA/8rOhs3mrYkxtnm8f/cBI6SFL5Y7e3xrFufsXBoyI9iC+mdcknKyxbth8 1pQnfJkZFu4+GFxUnsACNRyRphZVl9BuwAKRzycT7tgIcu8U4bu0kFPZ7TCcT4GUBlrx RMOKn4+c0JJDm0pzeUOSs7E1IpZO4HEUDwbos= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ub9wQsbe3UTYJh9gRz7K9Ml0vuSzF2ay+q2v2ptCCVxsfWi5KTIe/um/aJfjvN6ugN ziGCA6XySWFDTX8V8J/NAd6e384Cwq1E7w1K0GJ+UR3EGnkUsWxsuu2axVM5Kv5bQ+u/ CoRb6m/8YbHINhFtgFYiVHUGuEb+hA/uXrLMo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C9C9ED4.9040107@cruzio.com> References: <4C9C9ED4.9040107@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:53:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: wonderful looping vocalist: Dub FX From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016369cffe900d2cb0491416854 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:53:31 +0000 (UTC) --0016369cffe900d2cb0491416854 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 just amazing! ok so it seems hes using the loop station on his right but whats he using to process his voice,could it be a guitar proccessor? what a great synth sound! On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > http://wimp.com/dubfx/ > > > check this wonderful Australian vocalist, travelling the world > and doing live looping on the streets...................wow!!!! > > totally inspiring!!!! > > Dub FX is his moniker > > --0016369cffe900d2cb0491416854 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just amazing! ok so it seems hes using the loop station on his right but wh= ats he using to process his voice,could it be a guitar proccessor?
what = a great synth sound!

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010= at 2:51 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
=A0http://wimp.com/dubfx/


check this wonderful Australian vocalist, =A0 travelling the world
and doing live looping on the streets...................wow!!!!

totally inspiring!!!!

Dub FX is his moniker


--0016369cffe900d2cb0491416854-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 19:35:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56B603BE8E; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3368 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:35:45 UTC From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-215413670 Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:39:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20100926101325.3544D3BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> Message-Id: <6ADC1F10-8356-43DF-9B5F-F792283ACA59@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wZMH1GT9hVD2A8Qrob/aDTw0ulb8kIkTjwX29FqKv7o= c=1 sm=0 a=1ien1EITUJIA:10 a=XCOojii/DAuONnnIhMMOzw==:17 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=jufahBoiAAAA:8 a=BcS0liq5FtUO_iOLQjMA:9 a=FXoCpoLhI4G3HDTvdTgA:7 a=opOZbj8AsvpmBoCr4f20uZMP2ToA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=U2AbxlzL7VAA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=cVatTnf6lc47qWNkAC4A:9 a=7_MBMNSXCXSginnnCO4A:7 a=zG3FK-gwGKWSsqFHHPtBDlLnyqIA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:35:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-215413670 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nice tips, Bill! R richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:25 AM, William Walker wrote: > > >> Oh and another thing, new company USA made lots of choices. > > http://www.carbonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php --Apple-Mail-7-215413670 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Nice = tips, Bill!

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On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:25 AM, William Walker = wrote:



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= --Apple-Mail-7-215413670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 19:41:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 084D93BE90; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q22j9Skf6lNPeb6lE2sFHfvqnDwvF/QXVv9zcJdw3hc=; b=MpJqiIqK35ANuRQjOjB8W7Gtfogth47psZW4MvQXBPE1nUF7ecWiplb82u4k+Q56om 28zAPI6+qNMbTxevqBeH4IS/5dJdm62McbJ2IgbLo9MPjxsqLgaqjo1BJMtGg3IjXGc8 CB6aD6PMDYVsyAXx211McWbTApnwVFtwlxdnE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JSvVeZ3cLAkOf6qol+J8ox9TWNGQUi5OiIVVhYnQMjnBXHje1pweceKvu4M4yHZS7m FppB9EAWGhI8iVa4KIKSBTMha61Lf763gAFHoTOmrEXkuM5JDyubfiLO/aC9kjCo3ZE1 gjW6YsPg2+fhK35L2nGQS9uQ06CgAx1xIczWw= Message-ID: <4CA0F373.50608@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:41:39 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wonderful looping vocalist: Dub FX References: <4C9C9ED4.9040107@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Gearspotting! Looking at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBOv7dL3GN4&feature=channel at 1:34, it looks like a Boss GT10B. Rainer Louie Angulo schrieb: > just amazing! ok so it seems hes using the loop station on his right > but whats he using to process his voice,could it be a guitar proccessor? > what a great synth sound! -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 19:43:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B17083BE8E; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=7DJXrpgu8Hz3zIclyKCTB5C4F8JKpYffq3kNhJVbXVM=; b=L/go0u2uMnKlh2UG10QyCZVAk8xW6/+HRf0wJLyKFL1AUG3dtsTeUnx+EDZ34TTyxG Vtr4p2nQ2xOeL+YzFErX8kApctXhRYEufj+kpPhFAS48/mVcVjJMZsCwxE0Aqu6LnEmw cLhdOf591Q/23f5TjKBoL/8sERVIVm2qw/ji0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=hO61n7SkV8eO9x7qjLF4GI6R+S+puORqYXZ5GwENMeGZZ21GReHkO1taGdE46uRhb2 SkNDLfFDJY9BWCJU9olG6EoQ2Vg9Hdjbdrgc+YMtX+RVWxr/k7XufQXJQvf9/P12l1oW cfrPCTtGKqz8KBjPa0aHfzSXHp+m/RkFOHDVE= Message-ID: <4CA0F3CD.60900@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:43:09 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBXaWVybm93b2xza2k=?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; pl-PL; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100912 Lightning/1.0b3pre Lanikai/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wonderful looping vocalist: Dub FX References: <4C9C9ED4.9040107@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010606010409080103060506" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:43:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010606010409080103060506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dub FX uses Boss GT-10B for voice processing, but also BOSS SYB-5 synth to create bass lines. (see http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/06/15/lims09-dub-fx-beatboxer-boss-rc50-and-gt10b/ The GT-10B seems to work ok for vocals, which makes me wonder what are the real differences between GT-10B and GT-10 in terms of frequency response, fx selection, optimization for bass vs. guitar, etc. I think the GT-10 should be 'safer' to use for vocals. On the other hand GT-10B has been released before GT-10, so perhaps this is just a matter of timing? Michał Louie Angulo wrote: > just amazing! ok so it seems hes using the loop station on his right > but whats he using to process his voice,could it be a guitar proccessor? > what a great synth sound! > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Rick Walker > wrote: > > http://wimp.com/dubfx/ > > > check this wonderful Australian vocalist, travelling the world > and doing live looping on the streets...................wow!!!! > > totally inspiring!!!! > > Dub FX is his moniker > > --------------010606010409080103060506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dub FX uses Boss GT-10B for voice processing, but also BOSS SYB-5 synth to create bass lines.
(see http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/06/15/lims09-dub-fx-beatboxer-boss-rc50-and-gt10b/

The GT-10B seems to work ok for vocals, which makes me wonder what are the real differences
between GT-10B and GT-10 in terms of frequency response, fx selection, optimization for bass vs. guitar, etc.
I think the GT-10 should be 'safer' to use for vocals.
On the other hand GT-10B has been released before GT-10, so perhaps this is just a matter of timing?

Michał



Louie Angulo wrote:
just amazing! ok so it seems hes using the loop station on his right but whats he using to process his voice,could it be a guitar proccessor?
what a great synth sound!

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
 http://wimp.com/dubfx/


check this wonderful Australian vocalist,   travelling the world
and doing live looping on the streets...................wow!!!!

totally inspiring!!!!

Dub FX is his moniker



--------------010606010409080103060506-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 19:46:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21F513BE94; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:46:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SYnnIdPiT/nmSs/oXeKjfpiD5bBNeOVggZUMAY0b5+I=; b=S9s1s8kAQS7x8/khf6YxUNpSzeuOeRVjMJi1SxtfekntYwvommLI2dlxkqpn3tVHLr 2Z507pinovJawHV46Q1m1YySCIt5OlssFIGls/zYSM9RrQQAc5FZud5Xs7ZnhWWhwO6Y 80J1fcyiFZ3nzDoT3CxXAMzAOMTzwMqP5GdxA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kilhRI5pGMDonST0QnMCSLj77KrDCNkX14xR7ZfWjcpPlOFzQWGZ9q02UwtE4/vr7q 8OiAPAr8Nd6JJKf+IIY5gtTJ04+aK8By7lSJ5qJM5cOecCC/Uvq2Py3GDMPpMs7CEunx En8akiRcmGdUbI10UlsTwVS4yt/78NegzfCfA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <74E14FC8-04B9-485C-8D61-A8B163EB4104@baymoon.com> References: <74E14FC8-04B9-485C-8D61-A8B163EB4104@baymoon.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:46:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rackless (and not going the computer route) From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <6IeyFD.A.loB.qSPoMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:46:51 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:52 PM, William Walker wr= ote: > Its called the D-Loop, =A0they also have to different =A0mixers but both = are > single =A0mono units. Hi Bill, I just checked the specs of the D-Loop and according to the manual you can mix 3 stereo signals. It's a pitty that in doesn't have input level control leds but other than that, it might be the compact quality box I'm looking for. How does your unit sound? They advertise with "Pure sound, No noise, more tone" ;-) I suppose it would accept the input levels from both synths and guitars? --=20 Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 19:51:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ABB33BE8F; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: SoftStep MIDI control pedal board is about to ship(question) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:51:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Hey Keith, h how long before the midi adaptor is available. hardware using inquiring minds want to know. congratulations on the release. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 21:12:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C327A3BE8F; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=HGP9RgI2p99ft8eUs+hXpD0fftVP61I2Xf19bukcrRA=; b=T/9Smt/SOmkMEyumoEroeeR2lsJ0fDZyXbtr3cOWrR+UOa7O2IZD49e3Rlx1Sm17d1 Po+rcfQVDFvdvgdPaipXsxjN4JCYTw4Z4Gbzgzzz05FuJ1UHKcmAv+vNLB0dS8t3PC1c fqW52RFIVRgow1th/328MHi2NsoeORShIHafw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=UxYr6UrvrRRje2SzwfucKxkxbzkqpOeO8GAdJobda0h5DMtWE/xCPfngNy7CKqZcFZ Zxg+0eZTkRsMbQV0fNfCVp4Ia0dli5PbYdYiqMOjUUH3RAlpSU2P+kS36GzlbzIUOQNK QAFxc8Hi7M7iIkE6RL7upL4CWF0V+KHfwJHXI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <292589.93775.qm@web59613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <292589.93775.qm@web59613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:12:45 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fw: Re: wonderful looping vocalist: Dub FX From: Louie Angulo To: chuspa Cc: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba53a53e8ea5b4049144302b Resent-Message-ID: <_bkNVD.A.fYD.OjQoMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:12:46 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba53a53e8ea5b4049144302b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 wow i didnt know you could route a normal microphone through a guitar fx like that and get such an awesome sound,unless is a special mic with high gain no?if i route a normal sm58 in my m9 it sounds very weak or you think hes using some sort of preamp preset from the GT 10? souns really puchy and clear! also that portable P.A. he has souns quite nice cheers Luis On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:38 PM, chuspa wrote: > > its using a rc-50, gt-10, a synth bass pedal ( boss or behringer) and a > kind of switch, also an expression pedal... > > --- On *Mon, 27/9/10, Louie Angulo * wrote: > > > From: Louie Angulo > Subject: Re: wonderful looping vocalist: Dub FX > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Received: Monday, 27 September, 2010, 7:53 PM > > just amazing! ok so it seems hes using the loop station on his right but > whats he using to process his voice,could it be a guitar proccessor? > what a great synth sound! > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Rick Walker > > wrote: > > http://wimp.com/dubfx/ > > > check this wonderful Australian vocalist, travelling the world > and doing live looping on the streets...................wow!!!! > > totally inspiring!!!! > > Dub FX is his moniker > > > > --90e6ba53a53e8ea5b4049144302b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
wow i didnt know you could route a normal microphone through a guitar = fx like that=A0and get such an awesome sound,unless is a special mic with h= igh gain no?if i route a normal sm58 in my m9 it sounds very weak or you th= ink hes using some sort of preamp preset from the GT 10? souns really puchy= and clear!
also that portable P.A. he has souns quite nice
cheers
Luis
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:38 PM, chuspa <chuspacpu@yahoo.com> wrote:

its using a rc-50, gt-10, a synth bass pedal ( boss or behringer) and = a kind of switch, also an expression pedal...

--- On Mon, 27/9/= 10, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:

From: Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com><= br> Subject: Re: wonderful looping vocalist: Dub FX
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Received: Monday, 27 September, 2010, 7:53 PM

just amazing! ok so it seems hes using the loop station on his right b= ut whats he using to process his voice,could it be a guitar proccessor?
= what a great synth sound!

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
=A0http://wimp.com/dubfx/


check= this wonderful Australian vocalist, =A0 travelling the world
and doing live looping on the streets...................wow!!!!

tota= lly inspiring!!!!

Dub FX is his moniker


=A0

--90e6ba53a53e8ea5b4049144302b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 21:24:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8E8A3BE90; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4CA10B95.60308@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:24:37 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Take a look at this... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Woooohoooooo, Michael, I bought two of these miniature video cameras immediately. thanks for the tip. you know, there's a fun tribe at tribe.net that I go to called the Toy Camera Photography tribe. http://toycamera.tribe.net/ Originally for cameras like pinholes, holgas, etc. I asked the moderator, Alan O, if I could add cheap and trailing edge toy digital cameras to the fray and he graciously said yes, so I have a bunch of photos up their with similar crappy cell phone cameras, toy digital cameras and trailing edge USB cameras. Come join. the tribe needs new creativity. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 22:07:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A4663BE8F; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <285AFA3E753F41BEAD2FD8D939552D5F@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Sax or Trumpet Player to play with Rick and I at Y2K Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:07:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_046F_01CB5E5E.22B49D70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:07:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_046F_01CB5E5E.22B49D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Will there be any smokin' trumpet or sax players coming to Santa Cruz = that would be willling to play with me and Rick Walker at our set late = Saturday afternoon? If you've heard my prior Y2K performances, you'll know what I'm = into.....non-diatonic free improv, free jazz, and avant-garde, = perferrably with an aggressive and chaotic "jazz slant". I'll be looping my guitar randomly with max/msp, but with no effects. = The horn player doesn't have to take this appraoch, however. :) Thursday I'll be playing with Bay Area saxist Rent Romus at the Luggage = Store...be sure to check us out. Here are some examples of what I'm doing these days (see MP3s). www.boisemusicians.com/Jensen-Hartung/ Kris www.krispenhartung.com http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_046F_01CB5E5E.22B49D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Will there be any smokin' trumpet = or sax=20 players coming to Santa Cruz that would be willling to play with me and = Rick=20 Walker at our set late Saturday afternoon?
 
If you've heard my prior Y2K = performances, you'll=20 know what I'm into.....non-diatonic free improv, free jazz, and = avant-garde,=20 perferrably with an aggressive and chaotic "jazz = slant".
 
I'll be looping my guitar randomly with = max/msp,=20 but with no effects.  The horn player doesn't have to take this = appraoch,=20 however.  :)
 
Thursday I'll be playing with Bay Area = saxist Rent=20 Romus at the Luggage Store...be sure to check us out.
 
Here are some examples of what I'm = doing these days=20 (see MP3s).
 
 
Kris
www.krispenhartung.com<= /DIV>
http://www.y2kloopfest.com/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_046F_01CB5E5E.22B49D70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 22:47:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 414533BE8F; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DH2jjcc/ZnJGYKyEEXYc7qHxQ/r5WN05rNllz/Eiq9w=; b=smQdKpj1hBMKZhM8RdeunUpDCqY33+zEfgJwf0UlbUeTeRsX3G0lw7IfxDprG2lotL 4B5ZC8T6TmXTmaPw/pXx7NDC+FAqnKUM8rcarQ+9zrcE17AzbqCc2xpP7XBFYL1IxKgt 0E2AsANeKpfASBNKSMCs400/SGQWKZ+Fdn6Tg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ISxxjIH2O1Etraxf3352Mzu4lG5I2J+wvAD+ER2w+1mIUvOpt3/dqPiO7PARnJNvtM V1TcT2hhaIAq+5KId8dPrWpxyeO9tMz0st9YGlkZlUqKUggdB30gTS1IH95VAYlEtwtF HJ2Xr6nRYU8Plzj53UDl9xKQi7hG7a51Fr9ME= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4C9D127D.4070602@gmx.de> <4C9DB807.5050900@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:47:11 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: tech advice - audio interface From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d351864a0e53049145825b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:47:13 +0000 (UTC) --001636d351864a0e53049145825b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 mac pros do for sure i believe cheers Luis On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Whenever I'm thinking about buying a new piece of gear I always google the > model number followed by the word "problems". This can throw up issues > before you commit. I learned this from a Presonus firebox which I had to > send back eventually.. > I heard macs are not supporting firewire for much longer - is this true > anyone? > > Peace > > G > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:51:19 +0200 > > From: nadia.salom@gmx.de > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: tech advice - audio interface > > > The saffire looks best for me too. The REM box that Per suggested are out > of my price range...unfortunatley. I have been using a M-Audio Fasttrack > Pro that I can borrow from school, but it only has 4 outputs. I set up > differently in different situations, but like to have several sources of > sound to create a more spatial experience. Though I havent had the chance > yet to create a longer live sound installation w a duration performance. > we'll see.... > good to know that a firewire interface is better... > thanks > Nadia > Am 25.09.10 08:28, schrieb Gareth Whittock: > > Hi Nadia, > I use the Saffire pro 40 soundcard for the 7 outputs from my guitar and can > recommend it. It's really clean to my ears and critically for me, has a > master volume control, ( handy if you don't carry a separate mixer around) > I'm curious about your plans for a multi channel setup. I've dabbled with a > couple of Leslie cabs but have always fancied a proper surround gig. > > Peace > > Gareth > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:05:01 +0200 > From: nadia.salom@gmx.de > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: tech advice - audio interface > > dear loopers, > > is this the way you would set up a performance with many channels (at least > 6 or 8): > Audio Interface to macbook with Ableton Live... outputs direct to > loudspeakers or mixer...? > and if so one would need an interface with more than 4 outputs right? like > this one??? > http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_fast_track_ultra_8r.htm > or > http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_profire_610.htm > or even > http://www.thomann.de/de/focusrite_saffire_pro_40.htm > > or any recommendations... with my macbook i still have firewire, would that > be recommendable... this is for live performances ... anything to consider > with that? actually I do a live mix directly from the computer during the > performance using midi controllers in ableton.. so this is a plausible > solution right?????? > > best > nadia > > > -- > > http://www.nirmala07.net > > > > -- > > http://www.nirmala07.net > --001636d351864a0e53049145825b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
mac pros do for sure i believe
cheers
Luis

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Gareth Whittock= <buddhama= chine@live.co.uk> wrote:
Whenever I'm thinking about buying a new piece of gear I always go= ogle the model number followed by the word "problems". This can t= hrow up issues before you commit. I learned this from a Presonus firebox wh= ich I had to send back eventually..
I heard macs are not supporting firewire for much longer - is this true any= one?

Peace

G

Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:51:19 +0200=20

From: nadia.salom@gmx.de
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: tech advice - audio interface=20


The saffire looks best for me too. The REM box th= at Per suggested are out of my price range...unfortunatley.=A0 I have been = using a M-Audio Fasttrack Pro that I can borrow from school, but it only ha= s 4 outputs. I set up differently in different situations, but like to have= several sources of sound to create a more spatial experience. Though I hav= ent had the chance yet to create a longer live sound installation w a durat= ion performance. we'll see....
good to know that a firewire interface is better...
thanks
Nadia Am 25.09.10 08:28, schrieb Gareth Whittock:=20
Hi Nadia,
I use the Saffire pro 40 soundcard for the 7 outp= uts from my guitar and can recommend it. It's really clean to my ears a= nd critically for me, has a master volume control, ( handy if you don't= carry a separate mixer around)
I'm curious about your plans for a multi channel setup. I've dabble= d with a couple of Leslie cabs but have always fancied a proper surround gi= g.

Peace

Gareth

Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:05:01 +0200
From: nadia.salom@gmx.de
To: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com
Subject: tech advice - audio interface

dear loopers,

is this = the way you would set up a performance with many channels (at least 6 or 8)= :
Audio Interface to macbook with Ableton Live... outputs direct to lou= dspeakers or mixer...?
and if so one would need an interface with more than 4 outputs right? like = this one???
http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_fast_track_ultra_= 8r.htm
or
http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_profire_610.htm
or even http://www.thomann.de/de/focusrite_saffire_pro_40.htm

or any recommendations... with my macbook i still have firewire, would = that be recommendable... this is for live performances ... anything to cons= ider with that? actually I do a live mix directly from the computer during = the performance using midi controllers in ableton.. so this is a plausible = solution right??????

best
nadia





--001636d351864a0e53049145825b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 27 22:51:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C95D03BE91; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5uAnr/iiFPCjKHTC9RVyS4ee80hpGS7jXWUaUFTwWE8=; b=RJHt6gcCPXaAaZDN3KWkz3NWz4FwCI1o65AreSGFfL8UcNmidb62/UP7f8HQSZ3nch yuavLYFYOXmb94uB+gg4w3IYFbRc86QW/48ER1+sx3rxjeYmgrfpypYIygS+IRx9J/Jz 8RetUe/0uQk/sxDUWBiMEr6v10cWInBhpV4dE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=PWrI2t2pD74ka8Psu8g1RTY1Yd2MyH1qPLDxTWJumPVdQABZkj9vyH7N69fuWbJdbV BIT+H/E+7E4Nt86WsOPqJwFqqsAhvesG1VQZIJNqWP8DaAquIl3RWShJPDoO/Ya1Bffv Xo/Atk1rw8O8380GZ1twaiUO4k0COqkyOaO5M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <75850.10509.qm@web59613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <894918.6004.qm@web59613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <75850.10509.qm@web59613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:51:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175ce10e8073db04914592c9 Resent-Message-ID: <6AP6sD.A.5LF.AASoMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:51:44 +0000 (UTC) --0015175ce10e8073db04914592c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You need a soundcard interface and then you need to go to audio devices and set it up cheers Luis On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:53 PM, chuspa wrote: > when I open the mobius app, it says "unable to open audio input device" > and then "unable to open audio output device" > > I used a mac intel 10.5.8 > > --- On *Fri, 24/9/10, chuspa * wrote: > > > From: chuspa > > Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 3:44 PM > > > I try the standalone app of mobius, but I dont know how to use it, I > look at the web side www.zonemobius.com to search for a manual, but the > site is not working... > > does anybody have some tips to see how it works mobius app? even I think = it > has many bugs....... > > > thanks > > luis > > --- On *Thu, 23/9/10, Thomas Wegmann * wrote: > > > From: Thomas Wegmann > Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Received: Thursday, 23 September, 2010, 3:48 PM > > Great news guys!!!!! > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > When it is done. It is a team effort though so hopefully it will be don= e > sooner than if one person did it. > > --Bob Amstadt > > On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Fabio_A wrote: > > That's an exciting new ! > Anything to say about when it will be available ? > > -fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > 2010/9/22 Matthias Grob > > friends, > I have not been present here because I work day and night exactly to > achieve this! > The past years, I translated the EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop VST plugin = in > C++ > and the past months, with great help from Bob Amstadt, I adapt this > software to run on a little Linux processor > as Jeff suspects, its pretty crazy and takes a lot of rewrite, but it see= ms > I will manage to maintain the core with the essencial typical functions t= hat > make it all work the same, so all those musicians who composed on the EDP= or > Mobius for years can seamlessly continue playing with the Evoloop rack un= it > - with next to no audio latency (yes, its not like running a plugin on > Linux, Bob is much smarter! :-) > > back to work > Matthias > > > On 11 Sep 2010, at 13:41, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > > >> Price is =80295...sooo, anyone interested in doing a Mobius port onto = this > >> one? Jeff? ;) > > > > I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me > > boils down to the operating system. Besides the big things like how > > you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was also > > designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a file > > system. > > > > It wouldn't really be a port, it would be a 25% to 50% rewrite. If I > > did this it wouldn't be Mobius as we know it today, it would have to > > be much more limited. > > > > At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac > > versions going so I doubt this will ever happen. > > > > Sorry, > > Jeff > > > > > > -- > Greg Wegmann > > TheWeg@Verizon.net > TheWeg@GMail.com > > > > > > --0015175ce10e8073db04914592c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You need a soundcard interface and then you need to go to audio device= s and=A0 set it up
cheers
Luis

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:53 PM, chuspa <chuspacpu@yahoo.com> wrote:
when I open the mobius app, it says "unable to open= audio input device" and then=A0"unable to open audio output devi= ce"=20

I used a mac intel 10.5.8

--- On Fri, 24/9/10, chuspa <= ;chuspacpu@yahoo.c= om> wrote:

From: chuspa <chuspacpu@yahoo.com>=20

Subject: Re: Evoloop (was: Mobius in a rack unit)
= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Received: Friday, 24 Sep= tember, 2010, 3:44 PM=20


I try the standalone app of mobius, but I dont know how = to use it, I look at the web side=A0www.zonemobius.com<= /a>=A0to search for a manual, but the site is not working...=20

does anybody have some tips to see how it works mobius app? even I thi= nk it has many bugs.......


thanks

luis

--- On Thu, 23/9/10, Thomas Wegmann <theweg@gmail.com> = wrote:

From: Thomas Wegmann <theweg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Evol= oop (was: Mobius in a rack unit)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Received: Thursday, 23 Septemb= er, 2010, 3:48 PM

Great news guys!!!!!

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Bob Amstadt <bob@amstadt.com> wrote:
When it is done. =A0It is a team effort though so hopefully it will be= done sooner than if one person did it. =A0

= --Bob Amstadt

On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Fabio_A <etero= genus@gmail.com> wrote:

That's an exciting new=A0=A0!
Anything to say about when it will be available ?
=A0
-fabio
2010/9/22 Matthias Grob <= matilists@gmail.com>
friends,
I have not been present here because I wor= k day and night exactly to achieve this!
The past years, I translated th= e EDP ASM soft to the Echoloop VST plugin in C++
and the past months, with great help from Bob Amstadt, I adapt this softwar= e to run on a little Linux processor
as Jeff suspects, its pretty crazy = and takes a lot of rewrite, but it seems I will manage to maintain the core= with the essencial typical functions that make it all work the same, so al= l those musicians who composed on the EDP or Mobius for years can seamlessl= y continue playing with the Evoloop rack unit - with next to no audio laten= cy (yes, its not like running a plugin on Linux, Bob is much smarter! :-)
back to work
Matthias


On 11 Sep 2010, at 13:41, Jeff Lars= on wrote:

>
>> Price is =80295...sooo, anyone interested= in doing a Mobius port onto this
>> one? Jeff? ;)
>
>= I've looked at things like this before, the problem with them for me > boils down to the operating system. =A0Besides the big things like how=
> you interface with MIDI, audio, and display devices, Mobius was al= so
> designed with certain OS assumptions like virtual memory and a f= ile
> system.
>
> It wouldn't really be a port, it would be = a 25% to 50% rewrite. =A0If I
> did this it wouldn't be Mobius as= we know it today, it would have to
> be much more limited.
> > At the moment I barely have enough time to keep the Windows and Mac> versions going so I doubt this will ever happen.
>
> Sorr= y,
> Jeff





--
Greg Wegman= n

TheWeg@Verizon.net
TheWeg@GMail.com

=

=A0

=A0

--0015175ce10e8073db04914592c9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 09:22:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C9A73BE8B; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 495755207/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.183.42/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.183.42 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApEBANNQoUxV0rcq/2dsb2JhbAAH6mCFRASNLw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,246,1283727600"; d="scan'208";a="495755207" Message-ID: <4CA1B3E3.7010809@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:22:43 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: OT midi converter experiments(guitar & wind instruments) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Lately I've been messing around with a small analog synth (Doepfer Dark Energy). So it seemed like a fun idea to plug a guitar into a midi converter and give it a try. Just using the mono input of the Yamaha G50 (which is just like the Axon gear, except it has this very useful mono jack input). First thing I noticed was a quick response compared to a wavetable synth. Surprising, but taking away that little bit of extra latency, which isn't normally noticeable when playing from a keyboard really makes a difference. (also, I wasn't running through digital fx, which is what I'm used to.) Overall it felt surprisingly responsive. Next experiment was to plug in a microphone (needs some kind of pre-amp) and try blowing the clarinet into it. Apart from the usual problems of close micing the clarinet it seems to work pretty well, although feedback can easily cause the note to sustain indefinitely. For the clarinet/sax , it would need a p/u on the mouthpiece to be practical , but trumpet (& flute?) should be viable. I don't think Axon do a mono input device, and I guess that the hex inputs are designed to match the pitch range of the guitar strings, but patching to a single string input might be fun. The Sonuus G2m should work with a mic signal (via pre-amp or mixer). (it's not so fast tho') One other tech detail is that midi pitch bend has to be used as well as the CV from the Notes. Otherwise guitar trills don't work, and the clarinet will hardly work at all. On the DE synth this needs patch cables and an attenuator. hope that's useful/informative andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 09:56:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FEA83BE8D; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=AqPZARlXb73k5KGKlsG5nq5/xx6a8gHZ68Jke4s/tHA=; b=Lf4BvmxHIdUwFGvJocqrvHsLtjzrt6rgE3cyyz5A8fzV1pz8nXA6ZrM+N1lFhzY/PV eoGwdZzU6kv1JhIActDRR43/IvL21OiQfhvEUXhKDsdMnvKGdG81seO/HRNvYAVDjd4S /dKCcdMqj7NosOrK9S7NUV4RQzkQO/F2YFwg8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jBCJIkhfQN8aLnqswvXHDvhyCqBmkIE+xKL3AP6rZWLNpDcPp0+U+vhKh8PX8OeBrX E5CWDGUb4dNhss2HwaT1CNmsOxJ1EjlPtJgyJTBd7QS2xwp/fbQzfLd4mVbNuxipM8Nn gXOcjGYml+/Ry4X0DcH+V6L6/uQnolXvOqFMI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6ADC1F10-8356-43DF-9B5F-F792283ACA59@glasswing.com> References: <20100926101325.3544D3BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> <6ADC1F10-8356-43DF-9B5F-F792283ACA59@glasswing.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:56:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! From: alessandro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175746064af28d04914eda54 Resent-Message-ID: <8lI7IB.A.DED.2uboMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:56:06 +0000 (UTC) --0015175746064af28d04914eda54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Ehm... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo 2010/9/27 richard sales > Nice tips, Bill! > > R > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:25 AM, William Walker wrote: > > > > *Oh and another thing, new company USA made lots of choices.* > > > http://www.carbonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php > > > --0015175746064af28d04914eda54 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ehm...
http://w= ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5YGc4zOqozo


2010/9/27 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
Nice tips, Bill!

R

On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:25 AM, William Walker wrote:

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--0015175746064af28d04914eda54-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 15:23:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9770E3BE8F; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Z3+q5kF+/xewBuNvXEY0Vsn6foE3jaWeyw+ayaoT1tE=; b=ewPmHd1vAisMRxc891+J70q11ZfFXXZdCVJPTjKxDhqdQKITIryA5vxy195xoRU2s5 hXeuVMBAczfVyJry0I5JqRsHPHLlYPiw6Rjlyl2iG6TTfuR41/8jHSd1R8KVei5WyyCF HrIYtoL7zqBH/gPt2IaGOzkQspJxZnpKJCuC8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=P0yWaFwlxFYanhaZIxBsKj3hLSo9MCSmTBNFFYhABC9PDzJ0kQoiawj/c3A00zszjD AH8U8QIgacncJoFXLKVrhpFX2aZAIWoN72ekJ6ttX8DzAOweToflMl2OqkiSAn9MI3va /V7m8IYiYVYxRJldv+jHr7XBvUd1zBDso/fU4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:23:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: help assigning RME audio outputs to Mobius ports From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65b411cf28e7a0491536d04 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:23:42 +0000 (UTC) --0016e65b411cf28e7a0491536d04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi folks, I recently bought the RME FW400 and im having problems assigning ports. I have on my RME mics plugged into channels 1,2 and stereo guitar signal into 3,4, i only hear the output of the mics but not the guitars. In mobius i would like to have them all assigned to ports 1,2 to be able to record in any track i want is this possible or how do you guys do this? thanx Luis --0016e65b411cf28e7a0491536d04 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi folks,
I recently bought the RME FW400 and im having problems assigning ports.
I have on my RME mics plugged into channels 1,2 and stereo guitar signal into 3,4,
i only hear the output of the mics but not the guitars.
In mobius i would like to have them all assigned to ports 1,2 to be able to record in any track i want
is this possible or how do you guys do this?
thanx
Luis
--0016e65b411cf28e7a0491536d04-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 16:49:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 527453BE90; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ezrJTV3K9Pjfsr5XGcq0q/kLrIaoi+49t1GozFpzvoA=; b=NO+wKn106vXYqfEdWFDDctb0XJ7NsQHRPAZgit9bHNJDeGKSyBM2vaVasXkKO0hFzs LufG+sblaDB0TBLkCJSOZuRuZBrIBSvIpaWj5sygFtx6rBdUEGWqY9v7dk/VYRmjNuzq OBeAa+YvDqQI3BsbDjESw3VM2fo2EUKppzNI0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=F0jIdH1Z4ZNlVmEVwuK7DNLqwYUf9KYI9bXnszOpeXI9HtKuAs/LiwBSEtyMxgAlJW TXLc9sUKKx83oviW4SIjfM7mRr/VyJw73kLBPQ4/EQtwmnAxaxL0x7qMyvOlW+OCMZyo MV+akyS+fA8YrpQ9WK2CPE15QGVlaWHw4eZk8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:48:32 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: help assigning RME audio outputs to Mobius ports From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <4X07k.A.xgD.CyhoMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:49:06 +0000 (UTC) You do this in Mobius Track Setup. Depending on if you are using Mobius as a standalone application or a plug-in inside a host application you use either "Audio In/Out Port" or "Plugin In/Out port". If running it as a plug-in you may also need to match the settings of the host application. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Hi folks, > I recently bought the RME FW400 and im having problems assigning ports. > I have on my RME mics plugged into channels 1,2 and stereo guitar signal > into 3,4, > i only hear the output of the mics but not the guitars. > In mobius i would like to have them all assigned to ports 1,2 to be able to > record in any track i want > is this possible or how do you guys do this? > thanx > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 17:37:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C1C03BE86; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:34:49 -0500 Subject: RE: help assigning RME audio outputs to Mobius ports Thread-Topic: help assigning RME audio outputs to Mobius ports Thread-Index: ActfIMuMQOjWM4vcQk2n0yildWVDmgAEdW0w Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140168C09A10F8@barq.sailpoint.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-vipre-scanned: 1F352C41001B1C1F352D8E acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140168C09A10F8barqsailpoi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:37:23 +0000 (UTC) --_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140168C09A10F8barqsailpoi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not familiar with the RME but it looks a lot like the MOTU Ultralite. The Ultralite has a built-in mixer that you can control from the front panel as well as a software virtual mixer. Using this mixer you can route any inputs to any outputs, RME probably has the same thing. If you can't do this in the hardware, then you'll have to mix them in software. This will require running Mobius as a VST plugin, then mixing in the host. For Bidule you would just connect input pins 1 and 3 from the RME to Mobius pin 1 and RME pins 2 and 4 to Moibus pin 2. Jeff From: Louie Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:24 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: help assigning RME audio outputs to Mobius ports Hi folks, I recently bought the RME FW400 and im having problems assigning ports. I have on my RME mics plugged into channels 1,2 and stereo guitar signal in= to 3,4, i only hear the output of the mics but not the guitars. In mobius i would like to have them all assigned to ports 1,2 to be able to= record in any track i want is this possible or how do you guys do this? thanx Luis --_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140168C09A10F8barqsailpoi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not familiar with the RME but it looks a lot like the MO= TU Ultralite.

The Ultralite has a built-in mixer that you can control from= the front

panel as well as a software virtual mixer.  Using this mixer you can route

any inputs to any outputs, RME probably has the same thing.<= o:p>

 

If you can't do this in the hardware, then you'll have to mi= x them

in software.  This will require running Mobius as a VST plugin,

then mixing in the host.  For Bidule you would just con= nect

input pins 1 and 3 from the RME to Mobius pin 1 and RME pins=

2 and 4 to Moibus pin 2.   

 

Jeff

 

 

From: Louie Angulo [mailto:louie.angulo@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:24 AM
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: help assigning RME audio outputs to Mobius ports=

 

Hi folks,
I recently bought the RME FW400 and im having problems assigning ports.
I have on my RME mics plugged into channels 1,2 and stereo guitar signal in= to 3,4,
i only hear the output of the mics but not the guitars.
In mobius i would like to have them all assigned to ports 1,2 to be able to record in any track i want
is this possible or how do you guys do this?
thanx
Luis

--_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE7140168C09A10F8barqsailpoi_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 17:51:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A63DC3BE8E; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 723180.22039.bm@omp1003.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285696292; bh=21y8E8lOY8qTYKTaE99WyVmcfojnUFyAtTcxqLNBZCI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YufX/SXXHJm5wL/ghwn9D8Cn/8mPuhIxAEd7BmGeuAqG1ZEbfJ4j/BgRIKPF8c9ylluCnp0XYylo2u0yyIHaEoBU6IoKr0zUj+a2FsgPvJJ3Z6iSVuuBEKhBZBR4wnNoNUaXYURn9+HV7ZYTLUJVJQUwksU/i7FqU7ghDwqg1CQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0++9wCeG61Yds0sXd8soZMTfA0gOLE8NOfTvpsyJCW/yDCphp2mKb3eyikdamj1bk38da2bo4IfiEwrmH6LI+Ln+EbBZzshkfaXnl8Ou8XfRxh7xHp5xy4nQDwgOze8lXFIVecj3yK7nU+u+aXE4b1T9U6cSppZZUQ5dOSexE08=; Message-ID: <378120.59730.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TRN54vAVM1koXN9ZOU2GtXmV2O_Ytufne0UxHUGB_J.MQfx HR_.ag.L16mK5ZzaLDc2rFifD0Cvqv6V.n7.WMrYtWfujxAQMIXCi3xtOzoR UpAXFlmOJwy4VtcwjpnpH6Ixs13rOlHO58eJJL8389088M_ZIku84m5eXJEP 1QT8pNmzGq4qINh.Iy9ik_Ujl8ybRCzTxTr..N1L9ejFaInOKEuOYmGRq6NJ zlwmj7niZOMq1.sBqamFHECn8FqIXvmnvDCUPQ4.m.piIbbtRnrPtdLsoc2Z rgQfNeaasgHtWLRgmQh4- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:51:32 -0700 (PDT) From: chuspa Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-328693078-1285696292=:59730" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:51:33 +0000 (UTC) --0-328693078-1285696292=:59730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0Even it's not exactly what's the topic about I have to say,...I had a ve= ry unforgetable experience with continental airlines at NYC airport in 1999= . =A0I was flying from chile to england with a connection at NYC airport , be= cause of the NYC airport rules at this time the flying companies that makes= connection at NYC have to let the personal of the airport to recheck-in th= e baggage again,=A0( don't know if is still like this right now)=A0I had 2 = pieces of baggage , one was with my personal things and the second one was = a special case that I specially order to make for this trip and inside was = a one piece washburn electric guitar, a handmade bass and synth korg....=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 So I pickup my baggage and recheck-in again for continue to lo= ndon.=A0=A0 When I arrived to london, I went to pickup my baggage , the one= with my personal things arrived but the special case with instruments didn= 't ....and never see again.=A0=A0 So I claimed to continental airlines, sen= ding letters, emails, phone calls for a period of 3 months. I also send my = customs declaration when I left chile with all the serial numbers of each instrument ( so if I wanna =A0come back to chile and didn't needed =A0to p= ay tax ) but continental airlines replied to me saying that this documents = were not legal and finally they offer me 20 dollars per kg; total 640 dolla= rs.( according to 1 baggage missed, 32 kgs)=A0=A0=A0 With these money I was= not able to buy one of the "missing pieces". =A0=A0 I also have to say that this mad situation put me in a very bad feel= ing way, so sad. everynight before sleep was a nightmare.=A0=A0=A0 Because = I left my country chile with the idea of travel and make music, I arrived t= o europe with empty hands, can you imagine?....It took me like 1 year to pu= t myself ok. and slowly slowly buy again my instruments.=A0=A0 =A0Now it's = around 12 years of this incident, I got new stuff ( not the same one), I'm = still living in europe , everything it's normal right now.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = =A0 Yes, I know , why I didn't made an insurance before travelling?=A0=A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I never could imagine that something like this can happen to= me, because I never thought how can indiference can be an airline company = with their customers. =A0=A0 =A0 Sorry guys for these long history, even I made it short, but I k= now how each one of us really loves and take care about his instruments, th= is feeling it's hard to explain because it's similar to the feeling that on= e have to a loved person, and it's unique. =A0I hope the company airlines, in a nearly future, take in count that musi= cians need an special treatment with their stuff. =A0fullpower luis=A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0 --- On Tue, 28/9/10, alessandro wrote: From: alessandro Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very rele= vant! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Received: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 11:56 AM Ehm... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5YGc4zOqozo 2010/9/27 richard sales =0ANice tips, Bill! R =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Arichard saleswww.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com= =0Awww.hayleysales.com =0A =0A=0A On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:25 AM, William Walker wrote: Oh and another thing, new company =A0USA made lots of choices.=0A http://www.carbonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php =0A=0A=0A=0A --0-328693078-1285696292=:59730 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=0A=0A=0A=0A   --0-328693078-1285696292=:59730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 18:12:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 154373BE91; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:12:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kww0lX4B77fkkqKxaGFDyRoEemCipHIpA8+MfOrGhJU=; b=lwIohjfA8/rs7gN9rgm2wLoDMX8JGJEopGqs9t+lqNjFs5AGl84EprWkMfE3grf3hY o4+vWxzDdunmYBQVIxK14E/wiBUC0q93koRjuY1moUDPY5brxozzK7J8K1UxEavPSIax bTR6lsMWWNjrm5GMdwMFalU/s71zNNILCV9ho= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YBTKpIrq5A2aNJqH9WmiE5L9zBTlNyZW4KmMQ7oxgox0636lTNB4Br1OThXvUW/ciV E+N8JbhgIRQ5UK2L/ztAfOnwLbaYtwMZWZyT6HL03g94kJdLCY+7Z7h3+OdDCVa2AcA3 cVr2oOZ/Oi7jiLxY7V1Fzcm8/yT1rM3mBlPj0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <378120.59730.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <378120.59730.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:12:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <0KMCvB.A.1kF.z_ioMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Your story really touched my heart. I'm glad you managed to get back again! I traveled from Scandinavia to USA in 2006 and had the British Airways' security officer in chief inspect my tenor sax flight case at London airport and write a paper to verify security check was ok and it should be taken care of well when checked in. So I checked it in. But at San Fransisco it never showed up. I asked around among the airport clerks and finally got informed that my sax from 1929 had "been tagged as suspicious luggage and transported to a secure area for termination - if not claimed by the owner within thirty minutes". I ran like hell towards the mentioned secure area and got there just five minutes before termination time. Phiew... Still have that tenor, but when I fly I bring other instruments. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:51 PM, chuspa wrote: > > > =C2=A0Even it's not exactly what's the topic about I have to say,...I had= a very unforgetable experience with continental airlines at NYC airport in= 1999. > =C2=A0I was flying from chile to england with a connection at NYC airport= , because of the NYC airport rules at this time the flying companies that = makes connection at NYC have to let the personal of the airport to recheck-= in the baggage again,=C2=A0( don't know if is still like this right now) > =C2=A0I had 2 pieces of baggage , one was with my personal things and the= second one was a special case that I specially order to make for this trip= and inside was a one piece washburn electric guitar, a handmade bass and s= ynth korg.... > =C2=A0=C2=A0 So I pickup my baggage and recheck-in again for continue to = london. > =C2=A0=C2=A0 When I arrived to london, I went to pickup my baggage , the = one with my personal things arrived but the special case with instruments d= idn't ....and never see again. > =C2=A0=C2=A0 So I claimed to continental airlines, sending letters, email= s, phone calls for a period of 3 months. I also send my customs declaration= when I left chile with all the serial numbers of each instrument ( so if I= wanna =C2=A0come back to chile and didn't needed =C2=A0to pay tax ) but co= ntinental airlines replied to me saying that this documents were not legal = and finally they offer me 20 dollars per kg; total 640 dollars.( according = to 1 baggage missed, 32 kgs) > =C2=A0=C2=A0 With these money I was not able to buy one of the "missing p= ieces". > =C2=A0=C2=A0 I also have to say that this mad situation put me in a very = bad feeling way, so sad. everynight before sleep was a nightmare. > =C2=A0=C2=A0 Because I left my country chile with the idea of travel and = make music, I arrived to europe with empty hands, can you imagine?....It to= ok me like 1 year to put myself ok. and slowly slowly buy again my instrume= nts. > =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Now it's around 12 years of this incident, I got new s= tuff ( not the same one), I'm still living in europe , everything it's norm= al right now. > > =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yes, I know , why I didn't made an insurance before t= ravelling? > =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I never could imagine that something lik= e this can happen to me, because I never thought how can indiference can be= an airline company with their customers. > =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sorry guys for these long history, even I made it sho= rt, but I know how each one of us really loves and take care about his inst= ruments, this feeling it's hard to explain because it's similar to the feel= ing that one have to a loved person, and it's unique. > =C2=A0I hope the company airlines, in a nearly future, take in count that= musicians need an special treatment with their stuff. > =C2=A0fullpower > luis > > > > > --- On Tue, 28/9/10, alessandro wrote: > > From: alessandro > Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very re= levant! > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Received: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 11:56 AM > > Ehm... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5YGc4zOqozo > > > 2010/9/27 richard sales > > Nice tips, Bill! > R > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:25 AM, William Walker wrote: > > > Oh and another thing, new company =C2=A0USA made lots of choices. > > http://www.carbonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 18:13:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B800C3BE8C; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ed18ccd2-77e7-49fe-a8a4-5b091be6fe7f_" X-Originating-IP: [86.168.155.226] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:13:34 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <378120.59730.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: ,<378120.59730.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2010 18:13:34.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD6A4E50:01CB5F38] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:13:35 +0000 (UTC) --_ed18ccd2-77e7-49fe-a8a4-5b091be6fe7f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow - that's a terrible tale there. Glad you finally got your new instrumen= ts together.=20 People who don't play will probably never get how personal these objects ca= n be to us. Peace G Date: Tue=2C 28 Sep 2010 10:51:32 -0700 From: chuspacpu@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very rele= vant! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Even it's not exactly what's the topic about I have to say=2C...I had a ve= ry unforgetable experience with continental airlines at NYC airport in 1999= . I was flying from chile to england with a connection at NYC airport =2C be= cause of the NYC airport rules at this time the flying companies that makes= connection at NYC have to let the personal of the airport to recheck-in th= e baggage again=2C ( don't know if is still like this right now) I had 2 pi= eces of baggage =2C one was with my personal things and the second one was = a special case that I specially order to make for this trip and inside was = a one piece washburn electric guitar=2C a handmade bass and synth korg.... = So I pickup my baggage and recheck-in again for continue to london. When I arrived to london=2C I went to pickup my baggage =2C the = one with my personal things arrived but the special case with instruments d= idn't ....and never see again. So I claimed to continental airlines=2C se= nding letters=2C emails=2C phone calls for a period of 3 months. I also sen= d my customs declaration when I left chile with all the serial numbers of e= ach instrument ( so if I wanna come back to chile and didn't needed to pa= y tax ) but continental airlines replied to me saying that this documents w= ere not legal and finally they offer me 20 dollars per kg=3B total 640 doll= ars.( according to 1 baggage missed=2C 32 kgs) With these money I was no= t able to buy one of the "missing pieces". I also have to say that this mad situation put me in a very bad feeling = way=2C so sad. everynight before sleep was a nightmare. Because I left my country chile with the idea of travel and = make music=2C I arrived to europe with empty hands=2C can you imagine?....I= t took me like 1 year to put myself ok. and slowly slowly buy again my inst= ruments. Now it's around 12 years of this incident=2C I got new stuff ( = not the same one)=2C I'm still living in europe =2C everything it's normal = right now. Yes=2C I know =2C why I didn't made an insurance before t= ravelling? I never could imagine that something like this can happe= n to me=2C because I never thought how can indiference can be an airline co= mpany with their customers. Sorry guys for these long history=2C even I made it short=2C but I kno= w how each one of us really loves and take care about his instruments=2C th= is feeling it's hard to explain because it's similar to the feeling that one have to a loved perso= n=2C and it's unique. I hope the company airlines=2C in a nearly future=2C take in count that mu= sicians need an special treatment with their stuff. fullpower luis =20 =20 =20 --- On Tue=2C 28/9/10=2C alessandro wrote: From: alessandro Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very rele= vant! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Received: Tuesday=2C 28 September=2C 2010=2C 11:56 AM Ehm... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5YGc4zOqozo 2010/9/27 richard sales Nice tips=2C Bill! R richard saleswww.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Sep 26=2C 2010=2C at 10:25 AM=2C William Walker wrote: Oh and another thing=2C new company USA made lots of choices. http://www.carbonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php = --_ed18ccd2-77e7-49fe-a8a4-5b091be6fe7f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow - that's a terrible tale there. Glad you finally got your new instrumen= ts together.
People who don't play will probably never get how personal= these objects can be to us.

Peace

G

Date: Tue=2C 28 Sep 2010 10:51:32 -0700
From: chuspacpu@yahoo.com=
Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very = relevant!
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com



 Even it's= not exactly what's the topic about I have to say,...I had a very unforgeta= ble experience with continental airlines at NYC airport in 1999.

 I was flying from chile to england with a connection at NYC = airport , because of the NYC airport rules at this time the flying companie= s that makes connection at NYC have to let the personal of the airport to r= echeck-in the baggage again, ( don't know if is still like this right = now)
 I had 2 pieces of baggage , one was with my personal t= hings and the second one was a special case that I specially order to make = for this trip and inside was a one piece washburn electric guitar, a handma= de bass and synth korg....   
   So I pi= ckup my baggage and recheck-in again for continue to london.
   When I arrived to london, I went to pickup = my baggage , the one with my personal things arrived but the special case w= ith instruments didn't ....and never see again.
   So I= claimed to continental airlines, sending letters, emails, phone calls for = a period of 3 months. I also send my customs declaration when I left chile = with all the serial numbers of each instrument ( so if I wanna  come b= ack to chile and didn't needed  to pay tax ) but continental airlines = replied to me saying that this documents were not legal and finally they of= fer me 20 dollars per kg; total 640 dollars.( according to 1 baggage missed= , 32 kgs) 
   With these money I was not able to b= uy one of the "missing pieces".

   I als= o have to say that this mad situation put me in a very bad feeling way, so = sad. everynight before sleep was a nightmare. 
   Because I left my country chile wi= th the idea of travel and make music, I arrived to europe with empty hands,= can you imagine?....It took me like 1 year to put myself ok. and slowly sl= owly buy again my instruments.
    Now it's around= 12 years of this incident, I got new stuff ( not the same one), I'm still = living in europe , everything it's normal right now.
  =  
     Yes, I know , why I didn't made an ins= urance before travelling? 
        = I never could imagine that something like this can happen to me, because I = never thought how can indiference can be an airline company with their cust= omers.

     Sorry guys for these lo= ng history, even I made it short, but I know how each one of us really love= s and take care about his instruments, this feeling it's hard to explain because it's similar to the feeling that one have to a loved perso= n, and it's unique.

 I hope the company airli= nes, in a nearly future, take in count that musicians need an special treat= ment with their stuff.

 fullpower
<= br>
luis
   

&n= bsp;
   

--- On Tue, 28/9/10, alessandro <= i><alefisc@gmail.com> wrote:

= From: alessandro <alefisc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Carrying instrum= ents on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant!
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com
Received: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 11:56 AM
<= br>
Ehm...
http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3D5YGc4zOqozo


2010/9/27 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
=0A
Nice tips, Bill!

R
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On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:25 AM,= William Walker wrote:



Oh and another thing, new company  USA made lots of choic= es.
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http://www.car= bonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php


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 =3BEven it's no= t exactly what's the topic about I have to say=2C...I had a very unforgetab= le experience with continental airlines at NYC airport in 1999.

 =3BI was flying from chile to england with a connection at NYC= airport =2C because of the NYC airport rules at this time the flying compa= nies that makes connection at NYC have to let the personal of the airport t= o recheck-in the baggage again=2C =3B( don't know if is still like this= right now)
 =3BI had 2 pieces of baggage =2C one was with my= personal things and the second one was a special case that I specially ord= er to make for this trip and inside was a one piece washburn electric guita= r=2C a handmade bass and synth korg.... =3B =3B =3B
&= nbsp=3B =3B So I pickup my baggage and recheck-in again for continue to london.
 =3B =3B When I arrived to london=2C I went to p= ickup my baggage =2C the one with my personal things arrived but the specia= l case with instruments didn't ....and never see again.
 =3B&= nbsp=3B So I claimed to continental airlines=2C sending letters=2C emails= =2C phone calls for a period of 3 months. I also send my customs declaratio= n when I left chile with all the serial numbers of each instrument ( so if = I wanna  =3Bcome back to chile and didn't needed  =3Bto pay tax ) b= ut continental airlines replied to me saying that this documents were not l= egal and finally they offer me 20 dollars per kg=3B total 640 dollars.( acc= ording to 1 baggage missed=2C 32 kgs) =3B
 =3B =3B Wi= th these money I was not able to buy one of the "missing pieces".

 =3B =3B I also have to say that this mad situation= put me in a very bad feeling way=2C so sad. everynight before sleep was a nightmare. =3B
 =3B =3B Because I left my country ch= ile with the idea of travel and make music=2C I arrived to europe with empt= y hands=2C can you imagine?....It took me like 1 year to put myself ok. and= slowly slowly buy again my instruments.
 =3B =3B  = =3BNow it's around 12 years of this incident=2C I got new stuff ( not the s= ame one)=2C I'm still living in europe =2C everything it's normal right now= .
 =3B =3B =3B
 =3B =3B  =3B Ye= s=2C I know =2C why I didn't made an insurance before travelling? =3B
 =3B =3B  =3B  =3B  =3BI never could imagine t= hat something like this can happen to me=2C because I never thought how can= indiference can be an airline company with their customers.

=
 =3B =3B  =3B Sorry guys for these long history=2C e= ven I made it short=2C but I know how each one of us really loves and take = care about his instruments=2C this feeling it's hard to explain because it's similar to the feeling that one have to a loved perso= n=2C and it's unique.

 =3BI hope the company a= irlines=2C in a nearly future=2C take in count that musicians need an speci= al treatment with their stuff.

 =3Bfullpower

luis
 =3B =3B =3B
<= br>
 =3B
 =3B =3B =3B

--- On Tu= e=2C 28/9/10=2C alessandro <=3Balefisc@gmail.com>=3B wrote:<= br>

From:= alessandro <=3Balefisc@gmail.com>=3B
Subject: Re: Carrying instrume= nts on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant!
To: Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com
Received: Tuesday=2C 28 September=2C 2010=2C 11:56 AM=

Ehm...
http://www.= youtube.com/watch?v=3D5YGc4zOqozo


2010/9/27 richard sales <=3Brichard@glasswing.com>=3B
Nice tips=2C Bill!

R

On Sep 26=2C 2010=2C at 10:25 AM=2C William Walker wrote:


Oh and another thing=2C new company  =3BUSA made lots of choi= ces.

http://www.carbonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases= .php



= --_ed18ccd2-77e7-49fe-a8a4-5b091be6fe7f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 18:15:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87E0A3BE97; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bePVk9QWOv+RLOlUMF+DWuwXnrxtvotSKZaXU734FTc=; b=QWlvyj9SvOwJZVFtDACkOY82h+XgFODJOerQ3YI0RQfpO/B4TLXZJnoTpiv8s+IRSu wQuUqi/i8gTO7Xbk2N1FBMaxXDxFhoDemT2+uD/wgRirrfmWKk0xFG7luMFzCnw8pPbM i3fPekxWSmQ01mgZbqqCsEWMJ4+5VcPWrbkW8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Wqcwh/KTS1dRlEKwT4mLD1Vcq5HmBBgEVROb0aroOeAj/0xe0NVN1Pa9R25+CPrF9F pFMmGtIzIXskb7YCTbpPlDBl15CjILUVOm1bfn8Zwa0NxNJxWdECSlNySrIczk1pFLwK FBWRHEQ3TBOjbgw7mdKpJcq/sLeMiXGsEF6Es= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <378120.59730.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:15:48 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! From: miles ward To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6480d1e965bc2049155d5b3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:15:49 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6480d1e965bc2049155d5b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm about to take my Sousaphone to Greece, so I'll report back how it goes! Wish the Funk Engine luck! -miles On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Your story really touched my heart. I'm glad you managed to get back > again! I traveled from Scandinavia to USA in 2006 and had the British > Airways' security officer in chief inspect my tenor sax flight case at > London airport and write a paper to verify security check was ok and > it should be taken care of well when checked in. So I checked it in. > But at San Fransisco it never showed up. I asked around among the > airport clerks and finally got informed that my sax from 1929 had > "been tagged as suspicious luggage and transported to a secure area > for termination - if not claimed by the owner within thirty minutes". > I ran like hell towards the mentioned secure area and got there just > five minutes before termination time. Phiew... Still have that tenor, > but when I fly I bring other instruments. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:51 PM, chuspa wrote: > > > > > > Even it's not exactly what's the topic about I have to say,...I had a > very unforgetable experience with continental airlines at NYC airport in > 1999. > > I was flying from chile to england with a connection at NYC airport , > because of the NYC airport rules at this time the flying companies that > makes connection at NYC have to let the personal of the airport to > recheck-in the baggage again, ( don't know if is still like this right now) > > I had 2 pieces of baggage , one was with my personal things and the > second one was a special case that I specially order to make for this trip > and inside was a one piece washburn electric guitar, a handmade bass and > synth korg.... > > So I pickup my baggage and recheck-in again for continue to london. > > When I arrived to london, I went to pickup my baggage , the one with > my personal things arrived but the special case with instruments didn't > ....and never see again. > > So I claimed to continental airlines, sending letters, emails, phone > calls for a period of 3 months. I also send my customs declaration when I > left chile with all the serial numbers of each instrument ( so if I wanna > come back to chile and didn't needed to pay tax ) but continental airlines > replied to me saying that this documents were not legal and finally they > offer me 20 dollars per kg; total 640 dollars.( according to 1 baggage > missed, 32 kgs) > > With these money I was not able to buy one of the "missing pieces". > > I also have to say that this mad situation put me in a very bad > feeling way, so sad. everynight before sleep was a nightmare. > > Because I left my country chile with the idea of travel and make > music, I arrived to europe with empty hands, can you imagine?....It took me > like 1 year to put myself ok. and slowly slowly buy again my instruments. > > Now it's around 12 years of this incident, I got new stuff ( not the > same one), I'm still living in europe , everything it's normal right now. > > > > Yes, I know , why I didn't made an insurance before travelling? > > I never could imagine that something like this can happen to me, > because I never thought how can indiference can be an airline company with > their customers. > > Sorry guys for these long history, even I made it short, but I know > how each one of us really loves and take care about his instruments, this > feeling it's hard to explain because it's similar to the feeling that one > have to a loved person, and it's unique. > > I hope the company airlines, in a nearly future, take in count that > musicians need an special treatment with their stuff. > > fullpower > > luis > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 28/9/10, alessandro wrote: > > > > From: alessandro > > Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very > relevant! > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Received: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 11:56 AM > > > > Ehm... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo > > > > > > 2010/9/27 richard sales > > > > Nice tips, Bill! > > R > > richard sales > > www.glasswing.com > > www.richardsales.com > > www.hayleysales.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:25 AM, William Walker wrote: > > > > > > Oh and another thing, new company USA made lots of choices. > > > > http://www.carbonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php > > > > > > > > -- ---Miles Ward --0016e6480d1e965bc2049155d5b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm about to take my Sousaphone to Greece, so I'll report back how = it goes!=A0 Wish the Funk Engine luck!
-miles

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Per Boysen <= perboysen@gmail.com> w= rote:
Your story really= touched my heart. I'm glad you managed to get back
again! I traveled from Scandinavia to USA in 2006 and had the British
Airways' security officer in chief inspect my tenor sax flight case at<= br> London airport and write a paper to verify security check was ok and
it should be taken care of well when checked in. So I checked it in.
But at San Fransisco it never showed up. I asked around among the
airport clerks and finally got informed that my sax from 1929 had
"been tagged as suspicious luggage and transported to a secure area for termination - if not claimed by the owner within thirty minutes".<= br> I ran like hell towards the mentioned secure area and got there just
five minutes before termination time. Phiew... Still have that tenor,
but when I fly I bring other instruments.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub


On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:51 PM, chuspa <chuspacpu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> =A0Even it's not exactly what's the topic about I have to say,= ...I had a very unforgetable experience with continental airlines at NYC ai= rport in 1999.
> =A0I was flying from chile to england with a connection at NYC airport= , because of the NYC airport rules at this time the flying companies that = makes connection at NYC have to let the personal of the airport to recheck-= in the baggage again,=A0( don't know if is still like this right now) > =A0I had 2 pieces of baggage , one was with my personal things and the= second one was a special case that I specially order to make for this trip= and inside was a one piece washburn electric guitar, a handmade bass and s= ynth korg....
> =A0=A0 So I pickup my baggage and recheck-in again for continue to lon= don.
> =A0=A0 When I arrived to london, I went to pickup my baggage , the one= with my personal things arrived but the special case with instruments didn= 't ....and never see again.
> =A0=A0 So I claimed to continental airlines, sending letters, emails, = phone calls for a period of 3 months. I also send my customs declaration wh= en I left chile with all the serial numbers of each instrument ( so if I wa= nna =A0come back to chile and didn't needed =A0to pay tax ) but contine= ntal airlines replied to me saying that this documents were not legal and f= inally they offer me 20 dollars per kg; total 640 dollars.( according to 1 = baggage missed, 32 kgs)
> =A0=A0 With these money I was not able to buy one of the "missing= pieces".
> =A0=A0 I also have to say that this mad situation put me in a very bad= feeling way, so sad. everynight before sleep was a nightmare.
> =A0=A0 Because I left my country chile with the idea of travel and mak= e music, I arrived to europe with empty hands, can you imagine?....It took = me like 1 year to put myself ok. and slowly slowly buy again my instruments= .
> =A0=A0 =A0Now it's around 12 years of this incident, I got new stu= ff ( not the same one), I'm still living in europe , everything it'= s normal right now.
>
> =A0=A0 =A0 Yes, I know , why I didn't made an insurance before tra= velling?
> =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I never could imagine that something like this can h= appen to me, because I never thought how can indiference can be an airline = company with their customers.
> =A0=A0 =A0 Sorry guys for these long history, even I made it short, bu= t I know how each one of us really loves and take care about his instrument= s, this feeling it's hard to explain because it's similar to the fe= eling that one have to a loved person, and it's unique.
> =A0I hope the company airlines, in a nearly future, take in count that= musicians need an special treatment with their stuff.
> =A0fullpower
> luis
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 28/9/10, alessandro <alefisc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: alessandro <alefisc@gmai= l.com>
> Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very= relevant!
> To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
> Received: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 11:56 AM
>
> Ehm...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5YGc4zOqozo
>
>
> 2010/9/27 richard sales <r= ichard@glasswing.com>
>
> Nice tips, Bill!
> R
> richard sales
> www.glasswing.c= om
> www.richards= ales.com
> www.hayleysal= es.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:25 AM, William Walker wrote:
>
>
> Oh and another thing, new company =A0USA made lots of choices.
>
> http://www.carbonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php
>
>
>




--
---Miles Ward
--0016e6480d1e965bc2049155d5b3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 21:19:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20F793BE92; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=n37YoshFxJFJRnqs6bJgjDYHlg+9p6aVAaDOqZ4WIl0=; b=PzLC/zMJ+UDD/QK77MnUtGSqpsehXz4mkU3XmnWYafvHT5XUJBZ2NNf+Od0akGh1IA DgE8kx/Sx+rnp6d7cQKO6mWdU3Glq8cbtvJ3PViNCMeEk04bCSS1LREA7J8+5TIsL7xx qmPQLy+Ia2x4MR+OwxDCr/NEeLmor5Dl/XPVQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=c/Brf7Kg4hUy32pKeJ7rqnfOZTanpWpG2uoWcbigrXJdCELr5UcoW70qv/O7SiP4S5 dyiU7rTn2+PIB++o4AhGC9VYancYh6SFTBjmtEJSS+UYHEpJcD4KmHbpbcZgy6+v7YDB N1L4zdBOy7GDi/PCpblpmcFZo6Ux8M7QceUjY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:19:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: help assigning RME audio outputs to Mobius ports From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd330678572049158674d Resent-Message-ID: <68K0Y.A.LOC.xvloMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:19:46 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cd330678572049158674d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 thanx Jeff and Per,yes im using it as a stand alone,i just got the RME 400 used without a manual but im just reading the online one and i think is done by rather assigning channel 1+2 on every channel strip of the RME software mixer,im at work and cant try this right now but so it seems in the manual on pg.66. Now i have to find out how i can quickly do a "panic mute all output" or access the master level since i dont want to use a mixer I see it can also be configured to be controlled by a midi remote control In the manual it says: *"TotalMix can be remote controlled via MIDI. It is compatible to the widely spread Mackie Controlprotocol, so TotalMix can be controlled with all hardware controllers supporting this standard.Examples are the Mackie Control, Tascam US-2400 or Behringer BCF 2000.Additionally, the stereo output faders (lowest row) which are set up as **Monitor Main outputs inthe Monitor panel can also be controlled by the standard Control Change Volume * *via MIDIchannel 1**. With this, the main volume of the Fireface is controlable from nearly any MIDI equipped hardware device"* so what would be a nice and compact controller to use for this,any recomendations or is anybody using it with something like that? the smallest the better! cheers Luis Luis On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > You do this in Mobius Track Setup. Depending on if you are using > Mobius as a standalone application or a plug-in inside a host > application you use either "Audio In/Out Port" or "Plugin In/Out > port". If running it as a plug-in you may also need to match the > settings of the host application. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Louie Angulo > wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I recently bought the RME FW400 and im having problems assigning ports. > > I have on my RME mics plugged into channels 1,2 and stereo guitar signal > > into 3,4, > > i only hear the output of the mics but not the guitars. > > In mobius i would like to have them all assigned to ports 1,2 to be able > to > > record in any track i want > > is this possible or how do you guys do this? > > thanx > > Luis > > > > --0015175cd330678572049158674d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanx Jeff and Per,yes im using it as a stand alone,i just got the RME= 400 used without a manual but im just reading the=A0online one=A0and i thi= nk is done by rather assigning channel 1+2 on every channel strip of the RM= E software mixer,im at work and cant try=A0this right now=A0but=A0so it see= ms=A0in the manual on pg.66.
Now i have to find out how i can quickly do a "panic mute all out= put" or access the master level=A0since i dont want to=A0use a mixer
I see=A0it can also be configured to be controlled by a midi remote co= ntrol
In the manual it says:

"TotalMix can be remote controlled via MIDI. It = is compatible to the widely spread Mackie Controlprotocol, so TotalMix can = be controlled with all hardware controllers supporting this standard.Exampl= es are the Mackie Control, Tascam US-2400 or Behringer BCF 2000.Additionall= y, the stereo output faders (lowest row) which are set up as

Monitor Main outputs inthe Monitor panel can also be controlled b= y the standard Control Change Volume via MIDIc= hannel 1. With this, the main volume of the Fireface is c= ontrolable from nearly any MIDI equipped hardware device"<= /font>

so what would be a nice and compact controller to use for this,any r= ecomendations or is anybody using it with something like that? the smallest= the better!

cheers

Luis

Luis

=A0
=A0

=A0
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.co= m> wrote:
You do this in Mobius Track Setu= p. Depending on if you are using
Mobius as a standalone application or a= plug-in inside a host
application you use either "Audio In/Out Port" or "Plugin In= /Out
port". If running it as a plug-in you may also need to match t= he
settings of the host application.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub



On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Louie Angulo=
<louie.angulo@googlem= ail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I recently bought the RME = FW400 and im having problems assigning ports.
> I have on my RME mics plugged into channels 1,2 and stereo guitar sign= al
> into 3,4,
> i only hear the output of the mics but not the= guitars.
> In mobius i would like to have them all assigned to ports= 1,2 to be able to
> record in any track i want
> is this possible or how do you guys= do this?
> thanx
> Luis
>


--0015175cd330678572049158674d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 23:44:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB9423BE90; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-320074534 Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:43:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <378120.59730.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <68A1E6C3-0566-42C4-A5C0-7C0DBB3EAD88@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=txFPiKdnS8K1mMWlwBWhvcxcfSzL6u+/zZzovtK6Hm4= c=1 sm=0 a=1ien1EITUJIA:10 a=XCOojii/DAuONnnIhMMOzw==:17 a=ypecRYqTAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=c9eTbBAgAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=paUis6ZMAAAA:8 a=dMZfGW12AAAA:8 a=8h2tVM2zAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=jufahBoiAAAA:8 a=Bq03FN1lXBKjLrYneqQA:9 a=Q3aM2f_uKBCzMq_gykYA:7 a=qxh858jxWLy2B0JLZMZPAQAIvU0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=U2AbxlzL7VAA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=ePqU_3ItVtgA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=emtTDZz8FtAA:10 a=RoXiLv-OKXHxAeg9:21 a=UswYBz8aEM7ISxAa:21 a=mNr3vwdgKeTHTRDqdw8A:9 a=U2p70m4Q31D33MBy5PwA:7 a=xrO60oKqfkwS_nqYAjB2MFy2bkcA:4 a=RyiL-aZl26MA:10 a=Kh8wvr666hQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Resent-Message-ID: <8QL3VC.A.QHF.C3noMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:44:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-320074534 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Miles! They can't lose the Funk Engine. That would be like losing an elephant.=20= A purple one at that. with lights on it.=20 Have fun Say hi to Sokrates for me! you might consider www.musicinsurancepro.com. I know the F.E. is NOT replaceable... but, insurance makes breathing = easier... at least a bit. richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com www.reverbnation.com/richardsalestreefrogorchestra On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:15 AM, miles ward wrote: > I'm about to take my Sousaphone to Greece, so I'll report back how it = goes! Wish the Funk Engine luck! > -miles >=20 > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Per Boysen = wrote: > Your story really touched my heart. I'm glad you managed to get back > again! I traveled from Scandinavia to USA in 2006 and had the British > Airways' security officer in chief inspect my tenor sax flight case at > London airport and write a paper to verify security check was ok and > it should be taken care of well when checked in. So I checked it in. > But at San Fransisco it never showed up. I asked around among the > airport clerks and finally got informed that my sax from 1929 had > "been tagged as suspicious luggage and transported to a secure area > for termination - if not claimed by the owner within thirty minutes". > I ran like hell towards the mentioned secure area and got there just > five minutes before termination time. Phiew... Still have that tenor, > but when I fly I bring other instruments. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:51 PM, chuspa wrote: > > > > > > Even it's not exactly what's the topic about I have to say,...I had = a very unforgetable experience with continental airlines at NYC airport = in 1999. > > I was flying from chile to england with a connection at NYC airport = , because of the NYC airport rules at this time the flying companies = that makes connection at NYC have to let the personal of the airport to = recheck-in the baggage again, ( don't know if is still like this right = now) > > I had 2 pieces of baggage , one was with my personal things and the = second one was a special case that I specially order to make for this = trip and inside was a one piece washburn electric guitar, a handmade = bass and synth korg.... > > So I pickup my baggage and recheck-in again for continue to = london. > > When I arrived to london, I went to pickup my baggage , the one = with my personal things arrived but the special case with instruments = didn't ....and never see again. > > So I claimed to continental airlines, sending letters, emails, = phone calls for a period of 3 months. I also send my customs declaration = when I left chile with all the serial numbers of each instrument ( so if = I wanna come back to chile and didn't needed to pay tax ) but = continental airlines replied to me saying that this documents were not = legal and finally they offer me 20 dollars per kg; total 640 dollars.( = according to 1 baggage missed, 32 kgs) > > With these money I was not able to buy one of the "missing = pieces". > > I also have to say that this mad situation put me in a very bad = feeling way, so sad. everynight before sleep was a nightmare. > > Because I left my country chile with the idea of travel and make = music, I arrived to europe with empty hands, can you imagine?....It took = me like 1 year to put myself ok. and slowly slowly buy again my = instruments. > > Now it's around 12 years of this incident, I got new stuff ( not = the same one), I'm still living in europe , everything it's normal right = now. > > > > Yes, I know , why I didn't made an insurance before travelling? > > I never could imagine that something like this can happen to = me, because I never thought how can indiference can be an airline = company with their customers. > > Sorry guys for these long history, even I made it short, but I = know how each one of us really loves and take care about his = instruments, this feeling it's hard to explain because it's similar to = the feeling that one have to a loved person, and it's unique. > > I hope the company airlines, in a nearly future, take in count that = musicians need an special treatment with their stuff. > > fullpower > > luis > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 28/9/10, alessandro wrote: > > > > From: alessandro > > Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and = very relevant! > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Received: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 11:56 AM > > > > Ehm... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5YGc4zOqozo > > > > > > 2010/9/27 richard sales > > > > Nice tips, Bill! > > R > > richard sales > > www.glasswing.com > > www.richardsales.com > > www.hayleysales.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:25 AM, William Walker wrote: > > > > > > Oh and another thing, new company USA made lots of choices. > > > > http://www.carbonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > ---Miles Ward --Apple-Mail-5-320074534 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii www.musicinsurancepro.com.

I know the F.E. is  NOT replaceable... but, = insurance makes breathing easier... at least a = bit.


On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:15 AM, miles ward wrote:

I'm about = to take my Sousaphone to Greece, so I'll report back how it goes!  = Wish the Funk Engine luck!
-miles

On = Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:
Your = story really touched my heart. I'm glad you managed to get back
again! I traveled from Scandinavia to USA in 2006 and had the = British
Airways' security officer in chief inspect my tenor sax flight case = at
London airport and write a paper to verify security check was ok and
it should be taken care of well when checked in. So I checked it in.
But at San Fransisco it never showed up. I asked around among the
airport clerks and finally got informed that my sax from 1929 had
"been tagged as suspicious luggage and transported to a secure area
for termination - if not claimed by the owner within thirty = minutes".
I ran like hell towards the mentioned secure area and got there just
five minutes before termination time. Phiew... Still have that = tenor,
but when I fly I bring other instruments.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub


On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:51 PM, chuspa <chuspacpu@yahoo.com> = wrote:
>
>
>  Even it's not exactly what's the topic about I have to = say,...I had a very unforgetable experience with continental airlines at = NYC airport in 1999.
>  I was flying from chile to england with a connection at NYC = airport , because of the NYC airport rules at this time the flying = companies that makes connection at NYC have to let the personal of the = airport to recheck-in the baggage again, ( don't know if is still = like this right now)
>  I had 2 pieces of baggage , one was with my personal things = and the second one was a special case that I specially order to make for = this trip and inside was a one piece washburn electric guitar, a = handmade bass and synth korg....
>    So I pickup my baggage and recheck-in again for = continue to london.
>    When I arrived to london, I went to pickup my baggage = , the one with my personal things arrived but the special case with = instruments didn't ....and never see again.
>    So I claimed to continental airlines, sending letters, = emails, phone calls for a period of 3 months. I also send my customs = declaration when I left chile with all the serial numbers of each = instrument ( so if I wanna  come back to chile and didn't needed =  to pay tax ) but continental airlines replied to me saying that = this documents were not legal and finally they offer me 20 dollars per = kg; total 640 dollars.( according to 1 baggage missed, 32 kgs)
>    With these money I was not able to buy one of the = "missing pieces".
>    I also have to say that this mad situation put me in a = very bad feeling way, so sad. everynight before sleep was a = nightmare.
>    Because I left my country chile with the idea of = travel and make music, I arrived to europe with empty hands, can you = imagine?....It took me like 1 year to put myself ok. and slowly slowly = buy again my instruments.
>     Now it's around 12 years of this incident, I got = new stuff ( not the same one), I'm still living in europe , everything = it's normal right now.
>
>      Yes, I know , why I didn't made an insurance = before travelling?
>         I never could imagine that = something like this can happen to me, because I never thought how can = indiference can be an airline company with their customers.
>      Sorry guys for these long history, even I made = it short, but I know how each one of us really loves and take care about = his instruments, this feeling it's hard to explain because it's similar = to the feeling that one have to a loved person, and it's unique.
>  I hope the company airlines, in a nearly future, take in = count that musicians need an special treatment with their stuff.
>  fullpower
> luis
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 28/9/10, alessandro <alefisc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: alessandro <alefisc@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and = very relevant!
> To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
> Received: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 11:56 AM
>
> Ehm...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5YGc4zOqozo
>
>
> 2010/9/27 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>
> Nice tips, Bill!
> R
> richard sales
> www.glasswing.com
> www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:25 AM, William Walker wrote:
>
>
> Oh and another thing, new company  USA made lots of = choices.
>
> http://www.carbonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php
= >
>
>




--
---Miles Ward

= --Apple-Mail-5-320074534-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 28 23:46:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 784763BE8D; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-320221622 Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:46:23 -0700 In-Reply-To: <378120.59730.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <378120.59730.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <2588EEBA-6A06-4F07-9802-82C122034209@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=txFPiKdnS8K1mMWlwBWhvcxcfSzL6u+/zZzovtK6Hm4= c=1 sm=0 a=1ien1EITUJIA:10 a=XCOojii/DAuONnnIhMMOzw==:17 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=jufahBoiAAAA:8 a=Fvk0WnQ7CBrS0D4YTDAA:9 a=KPI7qHhv2qVBgAj8tJAA:7 a=c6S01qO547iIaW567bh6WefHcQMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=U2AbxlzL7VAA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=emtTDZz8FtAA:10 a=DAFoR_bvJ8MqgjQi:21 a=jUJLDhLkx66QAy7L:21 a=rMGrSMAZhFE6NaRXadsA:9 a=3C8JgT6HtNqjhNkDnz4A:7 a=2lZ_uMOmaVVs6sqYvp6WU2uDqPYA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:46:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-320221622 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's awful. I've never heard of anything like that.=20 Airlines can be very arrogant. But this is extreme. All the best to you,=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:51 AM, chuspa wrote: >=20 >=20 > Even it's not exactly what's the topic about I have to say,...I had a = very unforgetable experience with continental airlines at NYC airport in = 1999. >=20 > I was flying from chile to england with a connection at NYC airport , = because of the NYC airport rules at this time the flying companies that = makes connection at NYC have to let the personal of the airport to = recheck-in the baggage again, ( don't know if is still like this right = now) > I had 2 pieces of baggage , one was with my personal things and the = second one was a special case that I specially order to make for this = trip and inside was a one piece washburn electric guitar, a handmade = bass and synth korg.... =20 > So I pickup my baggage and recheck-in again for continue to london. > When I arrived to london, I went to pickup my baggage , the one = with my personal things arrived but the special case with instruments = didn't ....and never see again. > So I claimed to continental airlines, sending letters, emails, = phone calls for a period of 3 months. I also send my customs declaration = when I left chile with all the serial numbers of each instrument ( so if = I wanna come back to chile and didn't needed to pay tax ) but = continental airlines replied to me saying that this documents were not = legal and finally they offer me 20 dollars per kg; total 640 dollars.( = according to 1 baggage missed, 32 kgs)=20 > With these money I was not able to buy one of the "missing pieces". >=20 > I also have to say that this mad situation put me in a very bad = feeling way, so sad. everynight before sleep was a nightmare.=20 > Because I left my country chile with the idea of travel and make = music, I arrived to europe with empty hands, can you imagine?....It took = me like 1 year to put myself ok. and slowly slowly buy again my = instruments. > Now it's around 12 years of this incident, I got new stuff ( not = the same one), I'm still living in europe , everything it's normal right = now. > =20 > Yes, I know , why I didn't made an insurance before travelling?=20= > I never could imagine that something like this can happen to = me, because I never thought how can indiference can be an airline = company with their customers. >=20 > Sorry guys for these long history, even I made it short, but I = know how each one of us really loves and take care about his = instruments, this feeling it's hard to explain because it's similar to = the feeling that one have to a loved person, and it's unique. >=20 > I hope the company airlines, in a nearly future, take in count that = musicians need an special treatment with their stuff. >=20 > fullpower >=20 > luis > =20 >=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 28/9/10, alessandro wrote: >=20 > From: alessandro > Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very = relevant! > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Received: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 11:56 AM >=20 > Ehm... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5YGc4zOqozo >=20 >=20 > 2010/9/27 richard sales > Nice tips, Bill! >=20 > R > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:25 AM, William Walker wrote: >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> Oh and another thing, new company USA made lots of choices. >>=20 >> http://www.carbonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-6-320221622 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
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On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:51 AM, chuspa wrote:



 Even it's not exactly = what's the topic about I have to say,...I had a very unforgetable = experience with continental airlines at NYC airport in = 1999.

 I was flying from chile to england with a = connection at NYC airport , because of the NYC airport rules at this = time the flying companies that makes connection at NYC have to let the = personal of the airport to recheck-in the baggage again, ( don't = know if is still like this right now)
 I had 2 pieces of = baggage , one was with my personal things and the second one was a = special case that I specially order to make for this trip and inside was = a one piece washburn electric guitar, a handmade bass and synth = korg....   
   So I pickup my baggage = and recheck-in again for continue to london.
   When I arrived to london, I went to = pickup my baggage , the one with my personal things arrived but the = special case with instruments didn't ....and never see = again.
   So I claimed to continental airlines, = sending letters, emails, phone calls for a period of 3 months. I also = send my customs declaration when I left chile with all the serial = numbers of each instrument ( so if I wanna  come back to chile and = didn't needed  to pay tax ) but continental airlines replied to me = saying that this documents were not legal and finally they offer me 20 = dollars per kg; total 640 dollars.( according to 1 baggage missed, 32 = kgs) 
   With these money I was not able to buy = one of the "missing pieces".

   I = also have to say that this mad situation put me in a very bad feeling = way, so sad. everynight before sleep was a nightmare. 
   Because I left my country chile = with the idea of travel and make music, I arrived to europe with empty = hands, can you imagine?....It took me like 1 year to put myself ok. and = slowly slowly buy again my instruments.
    Now = it's around 12 years of this incident, I got new stuff ( not the same = one), I'm still living in europe , everything it's normal right = now.
   
     Yes, I = know , why I didn't made an insurance before = travelling? 
        I never = could imagine that something like this can happen to me, because I never = thought how can indiference can be an airline company with their = customers.

     Sorry guys for = these long history, even I made it short, but I know how each one of us = really loves and take care about his instruments, this feeling it's hard = to explain because it's similar to the feeling that one have to a loved = person, and it's unique.

 I hope the = company airlines, in a nearly future, take in count that musicians need = an special treatment with their = stuff.

 fullpower

l= uis
   

 
&= nbsp;  

--- On Tue, 28/9/10, alessandro <alefisc@gmail.com> = wrote:

From: alessandro <alefisc@gmail.com>
Subject: = Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very = relevant!
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Received: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 11:56 = AM

Ehm...
http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3D5YGc4zOqozo


2010/9/27 richard sales <richard@glasswin= g.com>
Nice tips, = Bill!

R

On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:25 AM, William Walker = wrote:



Oh and another thing, new company  USA = made lots of choices.

http://www.carbo= nfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php



 

= --Apple-Mail-6-320221622-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 00:18:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B2A23BE8E; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 00:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pIKjFkIZlr5mI8bEFmbW+DTQrpzFRQO9Wd/g2fQ43mA=; b=gq+/aPczdreCk5WRkoAVZej5gEja9Fgs3uKkBF+4YnsFy8bsp3K5CflKAz7gTLd+Wm WISQ6wvNizkqFaOaHrV6VlLfTN2B1yW6gGVRAOdGj7+QnOlK2dCG9IDziEkw6R2aQydQ dVM6wQ/LUagQw9L2GPdi21/UHRUdLeN8gGoHo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=i+1TF3k3EYxhA6jZcY5tC0yx217fCH1Cq6Y7/+Ef1ebYC+CqZ/PPlWjpDm8XUxj0ym ehz0FVaGlS9MICprsSfPhITdp0u4VdMNW5ZikZciRDK5VsXCd/SSgnQcs6haV1Ta/AXC UR2rMteTml6mvhmqdtpFBV1e+w3YC92G/Cs6Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:18:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: help assigning RME audio outputs to Mobius ports From: james fowler To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <5iB09C.A.c5F.lXooMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 00:18:45 +0000 (UTC) don't forget about rme's matrix mode...very cool for quick routing solution= s. - jim On Tuesday, September 28, 2010, Louie Angulo wrote: > thanx Jeff and Per,yes im using it as a stand alone,i just got the RME 40= 0 used without a manual but im just reading the=A0online one=A0and i think = is done by rather assigning channel 1+2 on every channel strip of the RME s= oftware mixer,im at work and cant try=A0this right now=A0but=A0so it seems= =A0in the manual on pg.66. > > Now i have to find out how i can quickly do a "panic mute all output" or = access the master level=A0since i dont want to=A0use a mixer > I see=A0it can also be configured to be controlled by a midi remote contr= ol > In the manual it says: > > "TotalMix can be remote controlled via MIDI. It is compatible to the wide= ly spread Mackie Controlprotocol, so TotalMix can be controlled with all ha= rdware controllers supporting this standard.Examples are the Mackie Control= , Tascam US-2400 or Behringer BCF 2000.Additionally, the stereo output fade= rs (lowest row) which are set up as > Monitor Main outputs inthe Monitor panel can also be controlled by the st= andard Control Change Volume via MIDIchannel 1. With this, the main volume = of the Fireface is controlable from nearly any MIDI equipped hardware devic= e" > so what would be a nice and compact controller to use for this,any recome= ndations or is anybody using it with something like that? the smallest the = better! > > cheers > Luis > Luis > > > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > You do this in Mobius Track Setup. Depending on if you are using > Mobius as a standalone application or a plug-in inside a host > application you use either "Audio In/Out Port" or "Plugin In/Out > port". If running it as a plug-in you may also need to match the > settings of the host application. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se=A0 > www.perboysen.com=A0 > www.looproom.com=A0 internet music hub > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Louie Angulo > wrote: >> Hi folks, >> I recently bought the RME FW400 and im having problems assigning ports. >> I have on my RME mics plugged into channels 1,2 and stereo guitar signal >> into 3,4, >> i only hear the output of the mics but not the guitars. >> In mobius i would like to have them all assigned to ports 1,2 to be able= to >> record in any track i want >> is this possible or how do you guys do this? >> thanx >> Luis >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 01:22:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE7163BE8E; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=uZqoJdu4C8E7PdS9h0NYax68kQY1Kw0w7IzmHfUlfao=; b=hSdYSH0gXa/u1aatJNW0oXhFaAVWcDCEPe8nxDyYtd/MrKSzDV4IzrxeHIFkWpPRNp KOD3c3CCpQB7X1311vdZwW9xHSGQ0gp+NvIzLSZCx7JOvcc8AwN074f5+PBZt9JYXPO5 MMXXbLj3U5TC9Tj8KWRscsyFPmfRDmPH7gMtA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=ohychrhohH0Wm5f7/aBhO4y5qHJus9O/cP2CeplnuUHmZy523aGVbxMd84QsxWRGhF 335DRNqW6oFSzgE1XQowluxwkCG7QZgn28UZZpiCgeZS+h+7R/j/VHVTM/0zV56DVXaL jTyWbs1tfA/fNdNYuEaPEqYNd5eURW3s3W+rI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:22:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: 220 to 110 adaptor for fcb1010 From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e887c630ccfd604915bcdcb Resent-Message-ID: <02z6wB.A.uLH.vTpoMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:22:55 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e887c630ccfd604915bcdcb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 im getting ready to travel to the U.S. and still looking for a small adaptor converter that will work with my FCB1010 in the U.S. I guess some of you europeans that have traveled with your FCBs (like Per) and have changed the fuse only for it to work overthere,must have an earlier version of the fcb i was just told by behringer that mine will not work since in the back it reads 230 only. So now im looking for some sort of adaptor for it,the FCB is only 10 watts ,will a normal traveling adaptor work for it? or do you guys have some links? thanx a lot Luis --e0cb4e887c630ccfd604915bcdcb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
im getting ready to travel to the U.S. and still looking for a small a= daptor converter that will work with my FCB1010 in the U.S.
I guess some of you europeans that have traveled with your FCBs (like = Per)=A0and have changed the fuse only for it to work overthere,must have an= earlier version of the fcb i was just told by behringer that mine will not= work since in the back it reads 230 only.
So now im looking for some sort of adaptor for it,the FCB is only 10 w= atts ,will a normal traveling adaptor work for it?
or do you guys have some links?
thanx a lot
Luis
--e0cb4e887c630ccfd604915bcdcb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 01:38:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA1A13BE8D; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 562 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:38:05 UTC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiYFADszokxic85J/2dsb2JhbACUGo4Czw6FRASEUIhp X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,250,1283731200"; d="scan'208";a="59370743" X-Previous-IP: 98.115.206.73 Message-Id: <55E558FD-5EF1-46D9-B553-38364CD04968@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: 220 to 110 adaptor for fcb1010 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:29:57 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Why not just get a step down converter? I use a step-up converter for my AC30s. But they also work in reverse--or at least many of them do. This one works great for my needs (converting AC30 juice to 240 Volts). I believe it's step up/step down. http://www.voltageconverters.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=VC500W Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 03:06:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9FE43BE8D; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=J7FfYXP8ixXZkW483OzzJur9fvbMJS1rLkb6IsP+ync=; b=Nncsl0K8ghmMsSeUdl/hO3+l8IB1e0HaUzOcvhCXIFndjlmiErqedPVrCP7bYcroge O0cODHkHQjtkm83jFh756rxgvSHICfSnG6OWDUmQ5e2VVzsPHLnaVEw31XlYsxzgcOj2 OeU2yQWRlB42+VkGQC9dIROTgKLbrlyUnSi+8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=aN/8S7Kx0H9+XDg/sxSHpXJreZdxXEdGnMRvdGKxkrV6ANWY/3TPJj5bc1pszg8eRo oHnSWI/iVUJKqkMWJUvcXup+NhtzbBzyAJCkeO2z1DhHsRpTZtJEXKLT38ti9N5hDzZH MPBzE9rhvWFsX0X+etvBYnFufrBSppfVh7JG0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55E558FD-5EF1-46D9-B553-38364CD04968@frontier.com> References: <55E558FD-5EF1-46D9-B553-38364CD04968@frontier.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:06:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 220 to 110 adaptor for fcb1010 From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e0b616fa7f8204915d4065 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:06:56 +0000 (UTC) --001636e0b616fa7f8204915d4065 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 is the weight man,that i want to avoid taking on the plane,the damn FCB1010 is heavy enough allready! and since it draws only 10W im wondering if a simple adaptor will do. Luis On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Why not just get a step down converter? I use a step-up converter for my > AC30s. But they also work in reverse--or at least many of them do. This one > works great for my needs (converting AC30 juice to 240 Volts). I believe > it's step up/step down. > > > http://www.voltageconverters.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=VC500W > > Jeff > > --001636e0b616fa7f8204915d4065 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
is the weight man,that i want to avoid taking on the plane,the damn FC= B1010=A0is heavy enough allready!
and since it draws only 10W im wondering if a simple adaptor will do.<= /div>
Luis


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On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@front= ier.com> wrote:
Why not just get a step down con= verter? I use a step-up converter for my AC30s. But they also work in rever= se--or at least many of them do. This one works great for my needs (convert= ing AC30 juice to 240 Volts). I believe it's step up/step down.


http://www.voltageconverters.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=3DVC5= 00W

Jeff


--001636e0b616fa7f8204915d4065-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 03:23:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAF903BE8B; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c901cb5f86$34f244a0$6400a8c0@vulcan> From: "d.nix" To: References: <55E558FD-5EF1-46D9-B553-38364CD04968@frontier.com> Subject: Re: 220 to 110 adaptor for fcb1010 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:27:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:23:54 +0000 (UTC) No way around it, to convert 110v to 220v requires a step up/down *transformer* - there is no 'adapter' that accomplishes this that doesnt use a transformer, and hence the weight. However you could likely buy or possibly rent/borrow one once you get to the US. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: Re: 220 to 110 adaptor for fcb1010 > is the weight man,that i want to avoid taking on the plane,the damn > FCB1010 is heavy enough allready! > and since it draws only 10W im wondering if a simple adaptor will do. > Luis > > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > Why not just get a step down converter? I use a step-up converter for my > > AC30s. But they also work in reverse--or at least many of them do. This one > > works great for my needs (converting AC30 juice to 240 Volts). I believe > > it's step up/step down. > > > > > > http://www.voltageconverters.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=VC500W > > > > Jeff > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 10:00:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53AF73BE8F; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eCiQt7+4cKGZTQC8FIqquq7zBdWB4407cmArQK+fybM=; b=X4qSjqBtkFjl9C1c6bWXcfYby0kFsWYPxQHxx9hUv/HyiR1qYajQSIqi8pYtrL3xDw d5s29YQOw5vcsjo3/b2Vo/CDcWH2TxVI0W7/PZRCNsGjA2kLjj25otAgGvYWYLHVOxGW Ih7dXpHpNzH0tG5zFc/xwR3CUNOPPc3C8XQbE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=onRBaJID275HNBJk+Cx9PU8/kks9eLLY25SmOo8lWHJbzycx4+x0Aqy55Q8FEHfewC EZ8LpKgg729CW8TUm1XqqTkpx4DrDMbBBVtT+4xKrTryAQ4YgNgMjICLyJLgJ5gK5Lxp P1cQLLNNF2pXc0olvJYid7Fro5CRRPIuAjMHE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00c901cb5f86$34f244a0$6400a8c0@vulcan> References: <55E558FD-5EF1-46D9-B553-38364CD04968@frontier.com> <00c901cb5f86$34f244a0$6400a8c0@vulcan> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:00:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 220 to 110 adaptor for fcb1010 From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis, Last year at Y2K, RIck had a transformer available on stage so I could my regular 230 plug + a standard euro-US adapter you can buy on any airport. PS I have such a 115-230 and 230-115 transformer but it's heavy and expensive and would not recommend to buy one ;-) -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 11:11:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C60933BE8F; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'Louie Angulo'" , "'Loopers Delight'" References: Subject: RE: 220 to 110 adaptor for fcb1010 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:11:02 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01CB5FD7.C4B47800" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: ActfvScOd35ljg+NSkOmlz8jrSgRPQACccOQ In-Reply-To: X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.4.66; VDF: 7.10.12.62) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:11:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CB5FD7.C4B47800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick has several step down converters for us Europeans, no need to buy or bring them -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CB5FD7.C4B47800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rick has several step down = converters for=20 us Europeans, no need to buy or bring = them
 
-Michael
 
------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CB5FD7.C4B47800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 12:15:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7F993BE8E; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tXAuT0B9Tgi2Av0T1VmFZCodQZJb85k4uY/eLPuUMGk=; b=Y6X14+LRmAGI53/gXW7AhpA204I0ee/7XTFUdtMoXkM/sA7VBB5VhjSZWEZh/Bo9m/ Tij213oGQ7HM5yROn2QKZ2TLhoUEnBxGVa0rm9YGZ5xb+zBSBFo+brpOCjkEVzyYy8l9 8A5eTPjUrdsi/QHQtbFTKRIC5bhWMsor12Ijw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EdBVVh4s2TCf/EPbWitKXtJUlwgpwAEDAD7UKhgY9CWq7aO4Izjx6Hs43P+6tjlsHd 7B93mW9TxwDQ1aWYHp3m0ghK/VC9TBelr2py8X21u012yEuLFAwdsc/tbmxKU0pyOUW6 JOhWP1nYWIApfii8gtBG+vden2hR3k+Beahhg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:15:00 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 220 to 110 adaptor for fcb1010 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Louie, My FCB too also reads "230 v" on the rear panel. It is in the manual it is explained how to change it for US current. Put in a new and appropriate fuse and swap the holder to match US standard. I totally understand that they do not dare to write out that on the rear panel because you really have to use the correct fuse to match the voltage - or you will fry the board, like Zoe did ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > I guess some of you europeans that have traveled with your FCBs (like > Per)=C2=A0and have changed the fuse only for it to work overthere,must ha= ve an > earlier version of the fcb i was just told by behringer that mine will no= t > work since in the back it reads 230 only. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 13:40:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 169AC3BE8E; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ihYLJwrqItd7SXj5uEG+FQ2/Nb0ZkGNO2+NO4fbMlUY=; b=m/DdRF6AdjYork02YJN+bT3P5b6VasZTV3DdcKrJH5iEEL/i0kYEwS25jJYtumJpDm PsLCmFiyZA+t0RKnmz2cyWMcP1UoLnjTNJ/ia2EfS1dQnW8PaLuFpGSKe2TwUQfI+64M RV/YVuoY5XhKj8QqWcm8l+Yu3O2x0FGN70ZiE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KG67NlRgWPZc1/QZuk/rGMXvTFB6/q6agqEW8+YvqHjbnPWlOGGv9zMbmnrq6QE7lx oSTnU/M4H2l1DiwmTh1/kY/d66OBggmca9NmQ3zIhmi6vQ8jBBQY/tXWldcfWKM1YElS EcktNyrX/+7ox7qFlTHMiALtTcyUE3aDOAu78= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:40:00 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 220 to 110 adaptor for fcb1010 From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:40:03 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > ...because you really have to use the correct fuse to match the voltage - > or you will fry the board, like Zoe did ;-) Burn it live on stage Luis! ;-) -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 15:57:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA0C33BE8E; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <32228254.3966091285775827049.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:57:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Massimo Liverani Reply-To: Massimo Liverani To: Subject: R: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevant! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SenderIP: 85.47.237.138 Resent-Message-ID: <7Uo23D.A.mkG.YH2oMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Incredible video! and incredible story Per!=20 So...maybe this is one of the reason for that i'll not carry my guitar=20 to S.C...but only my i-phone? ;-)=20 Max=20 >----Messaggio originale---- >Da: perboysen@gmail.com >Data: 28/09/2010 20.12 >A: >Ogg: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very relevan= t! > >Your story really touched my heart. I'm glad you managed to get back >again! I traveled from Scandinavia to USA in 2006 and had the British >Airways' security officer in chief inspect my tenor sax flight case at >London airport and write a paper to verify security check was ok and >it should be taken care of well when checked in. So I checked it in. >But at San Fransisco it never showed up. I asked around among the >airport clerks and finally got informed that my sax from 1929 had >"been tagged as suspicious luggage and transported to a secure area >for termination - if not claimed by the owner within thirty minutes". >I ran like hell towards the mentioned secure area and got there just >five minutes before termination time. Phiew... Still have that tenor, >but when I fly I bring other instruments. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se >www.perboysen.com >www.looproom.com internet music hub > > >On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:51 PM, chuspa wrote: >> >> >> =C2=A0Even it's not exactly what's the topic about I have to say,...I ha= d a very=20 unforgetable experience with continental airlines at NYC airport in 1999. >> =C2=A0I was flying from chile to england with a connection at NYC airpor= t ,=20 because of the NYC airport rules at this time the flying companies that mak= es=20 connection at NYC have to let the personal of the airport to recheck-in the= =20 baggage again,=C2=A0( don't know if is still like this right now) >> =C2=A0I had 2 pieces of baggage , one was with my personal things and th= e second=20 one was a special case that I specially order to make for this trip and ins= ide=20 was a one piece washburn electric guitar, a handmade bass and synth korg...= . >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 So I pickup my baggage and recheck-in again for continue to= london. >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 When I arrived to london, I went to pickup my baggage , the= one with my=20 personal things arrived but the special case with instruments didn't ....an= d=20 never see again. >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 So I claimed to continental airlines, sending letters, emai= ls, phone=20 calls for a period of 3 months. I also send my customs declaration when I l= eft=20 chile with all the serial numbers of each instrument ( so if I wanna =C2=A0= come back=20 to chile and didn't needed =C2=A0to pay tax ) but continental airlines repl= ied to me=20 saying that this documents were not legal and finally they offer me 20 doll= ars=20 per kg; total 640 dollars.( according to 1 baggage missed, 32 kgs) >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 With these money I was not able to buy one of the "missing = pieces". >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 I also have to say that this mad situation put me in a very= bad feeling=20 way, so sad. everynight before sleep was a nightmare. >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 Because I left my country chile with the idea of travel and= make music,=20 I arrived to europe with empty hands, can you imagine?....It took me like 1= =20 year to put myself ok. and slowly slowly buy again my instruments. >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Now it's around 12 years of this incident, I got new = stuff ( not the=20 same one), I'm still living in europe , everything it's normal right now. >> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yes, I know , why I didn't made an insurance before = travelling? >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I never could imagine that something li= ke this can happen to me,=20 because I never thought how can indiference can be an airline company with= =20 their customers. >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sorry guys for these long history, even I made it sh= ort, but I know=20 how each one of us really loves and take care about his instruments, this= =20 feeling it's hard to explain because it's similar to the feeling that one h= ave=20 to a loved person, and it's unique. >> =C2=A0I hope the company airlines, in a nearly future, take in count tha= t=20 musicians need an special treatment with their stuff. >> =C2=A0fullpower >> luis >> >> >> >> >> --- On Tue, 28/9/10, alessandro wrote: >> >> From: alessandro >> Subject: Re: Carrying instruments on airplanes - this is cool and very= =20 relevant! >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Received: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010, 11:56 AM >> >> Ehm... >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5YGc4zOqozo >> >> >> 2010/9/27 richard sales >> >> Nice tips, Bill! >> R >> richard sales >> www.glasswing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:25 AM, William Walker wrote: >> >> >> Oh and another thing, new company =C2=A0USA made lots of choices. >> >> http://www.carbonfibercases.com/Guitar_cases.php >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 15:58:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD4143BE90; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <88ABB909-03EB-4770-AB0A-D347A44BD4D0@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Louie Angulo , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: step down transformer, Y2KX performers. Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:58:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:58:28 +0000 (UTC) We have one step down transformer that I bought a few years back that Rick has for anyone to use, not sure its handling but its heavy and robust and has worked for everyone who has used it including bigger harware rigs. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 16:27:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 716EA3BE8B; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285777671; bh=ssjEsu9orHWONAY8mSSfXVQ97tt5radiBycbMOtqgJg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XzgBnqKJmz48TKNqzqx9NKacZY0kn0ZXJupZyKBw+zzNGFVuGGpWouUznEVKggFjuN3Z2GybjOoaEvxJiKFTl5Q9gQ4xSrN/hcmYbuyd/R768ZqrnKKgHMJNR4L6gJIE/mDz/Glp+SJL3MDznSCUaqn1MvcbB5fE3+T5FRmaEMU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Wh/EZ2c3RPl6Zve/BYqdk7jbwM5oVC8ewoCSVZ2v1/dzcdJeqFcp47BMvoV/kaKT8KqL60d4RgIG6FpKrhDmd9eYj2FlB878dcsLcee0kLU4+SEgj1QH89FFZsRg2LxTLLYW5RnFuQpn7dOEHBWMtsOlsFeS9ryP4QddVnP9Uws=; Message-ID: <36273.74986.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QzIFNBMVM1kOJF1W1Y7I8piNp8Q.bk.EHnFwPRZTbam9FC9 WZJw- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <88ABB909-03EB-4770-AB0A-D347A44BD4D0@baymoon.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: keith mcmillen Subject: Note Out - SoftStep To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <88ABB909-03EB-4770-AB0A-D347A44BD4D0@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <26IVxB.A.rMH.Ik2oMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:27:52 +0000 (UTC) http://tiny.cc/SoftStepExpanderDemo Keith McMillen www.keithmcmillen.com www.beamfoundation.org "Music For A New Reason" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 18:37:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D2243BE8C; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 330 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:37:10 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Qf3VHsEq1N2/QKi4j3p+Y7aaUShesWGaXgq916r3h1c= c=1 sm=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=+f8LDw5oGkY1UiW9B2UazQ==:17 a=SNWAHWlZrNgXC1L3j00A:9 a=uRfhZnZnRg6kbgZWPHWiG8pADmwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=+f8LDw5oGkY1UiW9B2UazQ==:117 From: Hank & Michelle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:31:40 -0700 Message-Id: <0D5BDB18-372B-44F9-8A8B-CFD86FC1BB70@mchsi.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi Everyone, I'm torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50. I've got a = Boomerang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can move my = looper to the end of my signal chain. The Boomerang would easily fit on = my board, and like I said I love my Plus, but I really like the idea of = being able to save my loops. Any ideas/suggestions? Thanks, Hank= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 18:43:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60D453BE8C; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3ABCD6999182437BA71533A2458814C6@office> From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <67D6A08C130D406E8DF7631BC23A0229@office><2E490ACA-98C2-49FB-92F0-95BAC432710F@johnfloridis.com><8F6AB72797F046DEB73B6EC29B956958@office> Subject: Re: Rang III Software Ver 2.0 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:43:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi Sjaak, You are correct. You can do up to 4 loops, either completely independent or synced to loop 3. Your choice. To program an individual loop you have to bend over and reprogram a bonus button if it's not already assigned that function. As you have seen, there are two bonus buttons, each of which can be assigned 2 parameters (one for tap, one for hold). They work exceptionally well (I love the buttons), but there are not enough of them. They are supposedly working on a "sidecar" or additional small pedal with more buttons. I hope they come out with that soon. I'm not sure about each loop having its own decay. I'll try to look into that when I get a chance. If I'm understanding your last question properly (you guys are a lot more advanced than I am), the first loop laid down does not decay until you start stacking. I have noticed that decay does indeed continue while the loop is in play mode, eventually leading to silence. Best I can do as a "non-ambient" musician. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sjaak Overgaauw" To: Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: Re: Rang III Software Ver 2.0 > Hi Brian, > Thanks for ther review , very usefull information. I'm an ambient > looper and I noticed that with version 2.0 the Rang III can now handle > up to 4 unsynced loops of different lenght, called Free play, right? I > have checked the manual but I do have a couple of questions. > > - How do you select a loop? I have the impression that if you use the > loop 1,2,3 buttons it either starts recording or stops playing. For > example, how can you reverse loop 2 on the fly when you've not > programmed your Bonus buttons to handle this? > - Does every loop have it's own setting for feedback (= decay)? For > example, is it possible to have loop 1 running with 90% feedback, > something like decay 1, and loop 2 with 100%, decay 0? > - Does the decay function remain active when a loop is in play mode > and not in overdub mode (stacking)? > > Thanks for your time, > -- > Sjaak Overgaauw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 18:45:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F3703BE92; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=0G+XBUvbx5jenBE2PspgOzrj8G1H7YZguPOWCEyHUrc=; b=uZPgTa3OIKWne0NOhQgfHhTUCmT3kM4rpqdlXnYuEb1CtXD1ZkiwANJUsHt+3ymb8V diDRkFKXGozrqLj+mG0h6N68ZKmduUfW0CjyVAhn02Ni8PA2INSM5BT7W6/MXK2fkWiw wAIsfZuHpMzHZuLh2Szb0dEO2I7NeYZjvXF4w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=ANZ830lDG9ee3GkRHRvPN1P0HDUBwGQ4FLvSl4mpafgQzQB4jF/KK184K6vTR5avf/ ELPRcIlStgeVQtM0+CfC2XIoIOZrCzpvg1vW3gM/xTKqRyOBt263HnasyyxpCvnHeypx WuMChO5JPuz7ST/Z9/Motin5Nh2frROfcDQDs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <0D5BDB18-372B-44F9-8A8B-CFD86FC1BB70@mchsi.com> References: <0D5BDB18-372B-44F9-8A8B-CFD86FC1BB70@mchsi.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:45:51 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: v1MKvDGzwmU7K4gxS8T02VebUBU Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50 From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367fb11fecea9404916a5e0c Resent-Message-ID: <0_P_DD.A.q3B.hl4oMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:45:53 +0000 (UTC) --0016367fb11fecea9404916a5e0c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Boomerang is a great machine and I've definitely enjoyed messing around with it, but I think the Boss RC-50 is much better. The audio quality/preservation of the RC-50 is definitely superior to Boomerang (and storing the loops is super awesome). I've had the RC-50 for two years now and the RC-20 for six. I vote Boss. On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Hank & Michelle wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50. I've got a Boomerang > Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can move my looper to the > end of my signal chain. The Boomerang would easily fit on my board, and > like I said I love my Plus, but I really like the idea of being able to save > my loops. > > Any ideas/suggestions? > > Thanks, > Hank > --0016367fb11fecea9404916a5e0c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Boomerang is a great machine and I've definitely enjoyed messing ar= ound with it, but I think the Boss RC-50 is much better. The audio quality/= preservation of the RC-50 is definitely superior to Boomerang (and storing = the loops is super awesome). I've had the RC-50 for two years now and t= he RC-20 for six. I vote Boss.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Hank & = Michelle <musdnc@m= chsi.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I'm torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50. =A0I've got a = Boomerang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can move my lo= oper to the end of my signal chain. =A0The Boomerang would easily fit on my= board, and like I said I love my Plus, but I really like the idea of being= able to save my loops.

Any ideas/suggestions?

Thanks,
Hank

--0016367fb11fecea9404916a5e0c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 19:50:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 864B63BE8F; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:50:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50 In-Reply-To: References: <0D5BDB18-372B-44F9-8A8B-CFD86FC1BB70@mchsi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2335546==.ALT" Message-Id: <20100929195050.7AC9F248B3@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5A_kI.A.WQD.bi5oMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:50:51 +0000 (UTC) --=====================_2335546==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've had both as well. Now that version 2 of the software is out I've sold the RC50 and kept the boomerang. Of course saving a loop was never critical to me. For me looping has always been about the spontaneity of what is created in the moment. If I want to save what's happening I'll record to my minidisc recorder. I like that the Boomerang is a small company that you can actually communicate with and that cares about your ideas. I also like the size of the boomerang. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada At 02:45 PM 9/29/2010, you wrote: >The Boomerang is a great machine and I've definitely enjoyed messing >around with it, but I think the Boss RC-50 is much better. The audio >quality/preservation of the RC-50 is definitely superior to >Boomerang (and storing the loops is super awesome). I've had the >RC-50 for two years now and the RC-20 for six. I vote Boss. > >On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Hank & Michelle ><musdnc@mchsi.com> wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >I'm torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50. I've got a >Boomerang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can >move my looper to the end of my signal chain. The Boomerang would >easily fit on my board, and like I said I love my Plus, but I really >like the idea of being able to save my loops. > >Any ideas/suggestions? > >Thanks, >Hank > --=====================_2335546==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I've had both as well. Now that version 2 of the software is out I've sold the RC50 and kept the boomerang. Of course saving a loop was never critical to me. For me looping has always been about the spontaneity of what is created in the moment. If I want to save what's happening I'll record to my minidisc recorder. I like that the Boomerang is a small company that you can actually communicate with and that cares about your ideas. I also like the size of the boomerang.

Paul Haslem
www.dulcify.ca
Ontario, Canada




At 02:45 PM 9/29/2010, you wrote:
The Boomerang is a great machine and I've definitely enjoyed messing around with it, but I think the Boss RC-50 is much better. The audio quality/preservation of the RC-50 is definitely superior to Boomerang (and storing the loops is super awesome). I've had the RC-50 for two years now and the RC-20 for six. I vote Boss.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Hank & Michelle <musdnc@mchsi.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I'm torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50.  I've got a Boomerang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can move my looper to the end of my signal chain.  The Boomerang would easily fit on my board, and like I said I love my Plus, but I really like the idea of being able to save my loops.

Any ideas/suggestions?

Thanks,
Hank

--=====================_2335546==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 20:03:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DFFA3BE8B; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QAeOI/OGDXOInNaZBhdH8j/J80+7pjzK87wAlqLIgas=; b=MSaJdhJwlS48pDZlV4RV+VeWa68DO85rgSpykvcghtC8wYXV+YIz3MUUrAi+Ycdeui 6zPyAEMQP9qMIcTyOV3YId5S0WEqi3GSEJQn5xfvd2XLEYMuHftq2+lUXeTWpwJHBu5j BektZl/dGLsYyJRLVOOPvCjz0otO1Sy0KzhZo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=BSw4w4+aBzAnqmFT5AngNb0zb2VvIxD+E6Bhg3Qquk0PvUYObtSx1ALOKFkCP6P4Hf kc/DmuQgZk3WdqZQ5QJOEmvKfQBRJh/x8oQlhvhkwgvNS6pcvuAz+RfHfzHlXzXYhQGh Y3Av2YX4//Oi5gvmShan9b1PdtMgQEpZXYRTE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:03:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 220 to 110 adaptor for fcb1010 From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502d9f8672dad04916b7429 Resent-Message-ID: <5XowaB.A.IiD.Ru5oMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:03:29 +0000 (UTC) --00504502d9f8672dad04916b7429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 nooooooooo!!!! On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote: > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > ...because you really have to use the correct fuse to match the voltage - > > or you will fry the board, like Zoe did ;-) > > Burn it live on stage Luis! ;-) > > -- > Sjaak Overgaauw > http://premonitionfactory.com/ > http://livelooping.be/ > > --00504502d9f8672dad04916b7429 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nooooooooo!!!!

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:= 40 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...because you really have to use the correct fuse to match the voltag= e -
> or you will fry the board, like Zoe did ;-)

Burn it live on stage Luis! ;-)

--00504502d9f8672dad04916b7429-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 20:18:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D6353BE8D; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jTsXT8qXrxYOlJskoDUNGJ7bdjXpG6J9oahuUVvqry4=; b=u0h6OFQJpPUVE6krdLhAw0rZYQyEfWdQXGnBVjjpM2QDXUQzhRCib/boGcO+1eIP9H 8vAPNzxD8Bj3OnNlFFks6X1XzDj5D3ARRW1RbcJ0Svg0pSZDeb1SJLyy2RnSBMLV/xFH Fm96M5ojIidE5zw9pSwQTVjGS1sZLdA28L3zk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=kgP6T+wuT2UqllqkTgKMG0z0gM30nN8jUaYucOfoWKf2e/nywRH6xBGDtNNTnNgXOD FI9TgVewuz5dM/rcuaLwOIDiI/oJQTPzf3gAnZHzNt8Pgr5u0/qEtwMhEcMmm0gA+xel 9ACI2TteCeaKSGQvv5h9sn5bs5IF8xB7iNprM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:13:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 220 to 110 adaptor for fcb1010 From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016369d00042e61ca04916b9703 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:18:17 +0000 (UTC) --0016369d00042e61ca04916b9703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 like i said i phoned Behringer and said whoever gave you that information is putting your gear at risk,the european behringer fcb1010s are not made to work in the U.S... but i see what you mean in the manual,the problem is the tip of the fuse compartment that locks it broke off in my unit,though everything still works and dont know if this is critical... think ill just use Ricks transformer over there and plug all the guacamole together! cheers Luis On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Louie, > > My FCB too also reads "230 v" on the rear panel. It is in the manual > it is explained how to change it for US current. Put in a new and > appropriate fuse and swap the holder to match US standard. I totally > understand that they do not dare to write out that on the rear panel > because you really have to use the correct fuse to match the voltage - > or you will fry the board, like Zoe did ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > www.looproom.com internet music hub > > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Louie Angulo > wrote: > > I guess some of you europeans that have traveled with your FCBs (like > > Per) and have changed the fuse only for it to work overthere,must have an > > earlier version of the fcb i was just told by behringer that mine will > not > > work since in the back it reads 230 only. > > --0016369d00042e61ca04916b9703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
like i said i phoned Behringer and said whoever gave you that informati= on is putting your gear at risk,the european behringer fcb1010s are not mad= e to work in the U.S...
but i see what you mean in the manual,the proble= m is the tip of the fuse compartment that locks it broke off in my unit,tho= ugh everything still works and dont know if this is critical...
think ill just use Ricks transformer over there and plug all the guacamole = together!
cheers
Luis

On Wed, Sep 2= 9, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Louie,

My FCB too also reads "230 v" on the rear panel. It is in the man= ual
it is explained how to change it for US current. Put in a new and
appropriate fuse and swap the holder to match US standard. I totally
understand that they do not dare to write out that on the rear panel
because you really have to use the correct fuse to match the voltage -
or you will fry the board, like Zoe did ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com = internet music hub



On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Louie Angulo
<louie.angulo@googlemail.= com> wrote:
> I guess some of you europeans that have traveled with your FCBs (like<= br> > Per)=A0and have changed the fuse only for it to work overthere,must ha= ve an
> earlier version of the fcb i was just told by behringer that mine will= not
> work since in the back it reads 230 only.


--0016369d00042e61ca04916b9703-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 20:54:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94FEC3BE8C; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 505305211/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.4/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqABAAtEo0xV0rEE/2dsb2JhbAAHlBHXOIVEBI0v X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,256,1283727600"; d="scan'208";a="505305211" Message-ID: <4CA3A79E.7010207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:54:54 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 220 to 110 adaptor for fcb1010 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Louie Angulo wrote: > > like i said i phoned Behringer and said whoever gave you that > information is putting your gear at risk,the european behringer fcb1010s > are not made to work in the U.S... Actually, what happens if you try to run a piece of Euro gear in US is that is just won't work. It won't fry, in the same way that a dead battery won't fry your stomp box. ...because 110V is *less* than 240V. If the fcb1010 has a switch (and I kind of remember that *some* of them do, and the manual specs this) then it's possible the 50mA fuse of a Euro fcb will blow by running it on 110V. Again, this won't damage the fcb, just spoil your gig. (probably this happened to Zoe??). For 110V use you need a 100mA fuse, which would work ok in Europe. Obviously as it's a safety issue I'm not going to recommend that, but personally I'd feel 100% safe with the 100mA fuse for 240V. Only way to fry Euro gear in US is 1) switch it to 110V 2) plug it into a transforming giving 240V which seems totally unlikely, but is actually all to easy. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 29 21:19:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEBFB3BE89; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_244e587a-62f7-46fa-b1d6-3a0084ca8bb2_" X-Originating-IP: [86.168.155.226] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: step down transformer, Y2KX performers. Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:19:26 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <88ABB909-03EB-4770-AB0A-D347A44BD4D0@baymoon.com> References: <88ABB909-03EB-4770-AB0A-D347A44BD4D0@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2010 21:19:26.0982 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF101A60:01CB601B] Resent-Message-ID: <_h-80.A.NKF.f16oMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:19:27 +0000 (UTC) --_244e587a-62f7-46fa-b1d6-3a0084ca8bb2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm pretty sure I donated my transformer there with Rick for other European= s to use about 4 or 5 years ago.=20 Can't remember how many amps but it ran my rig ok=2C (Zoom 8080 and laptop = so a couple of amps at least) It's been a while so might have wandered off = like these things do.. G > From: billwalker@baymoon.com > To: louie.a.angulo@gmail.com=3B Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: step down transformer=2C Y2KX performers. > Date: Wed=2C 29 Sep 2010 08:58:05 -0700 >=20 > We have one step down transformer that I bought a few years back that =20 > Rick has for anyone to use=2C not sure its handling but its heavy and =20 > robust and has worked for everyone who has used it including bigger =20 > harware rigs. > Bill >=20 = --_244e587a-62f7-46fa-b1d6-3a0084ca8bb2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm pretty sure I donated my transformer there with Rick for other European= s to use about 4 or 5 years ago.
Can't remember how many amps but it ra= n my rig ok=2C (Zoom 8080 and laptop so a couple of amps at least) It's bee= n a while so might have wandered off like these things do..

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>=3B From: billwalker@baymoon.com
>=3B To: louie.a.angulo@gmail.com= =3B Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: step down transf= ormer=2C Y2KX performers.
>=3B Date: Wed=2C 29 Sep 2010 08:58:05 -0700=
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>=3B We have one step down transformer that I bought a few= years back that
>=3B Rick has for anyone to use=2C not sure its han= dling but its heavy and
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>=3B harware rigs.
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= --_244e587a-62f7-46fa-b1d6-3a0084ca8bb2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 06:40:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 309B23BE8C; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=UC7JiPTC+EbiLr1U3N+Q2gjd0ke99iyXA5O/isUUZ7U=; b=ekl9lccC4EeHdfj+6ycpnE5BuIhBTn4+ghj4CQcK55Qy7ByHuSD5bBf4D7xVhwHtYF ZItetfd/M2pitwhLEtFuC4dCR1YpJWQJcKgnkGpqzgq3zpOcgbXZjGYhi+gX0v047PBW XmTQoXv0GI+zGZh3viGmdz+X2Db+3YRK/1NCg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; b=cFKSgG7VpFodFaRpoVR4wowLjN4ezKJshWtl3EXd7H2p7lQtQTTdC4090vl4wrawNP U0r1HYpA6HANw2RGJEp8h+k54jl2Xazws4CXv2ZguNFT40ilnyG8yRT9ejKfOLLJYfiP vtsqif7RU3XMQSuAaIdr0g9e1eikvZ6XK9g3c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com From: Tom Swirly Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 02:40:03 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fQpAhMOGR_wccG_axFzpJ_Nqdiw Message-ID: Subject: 9/30: Wolf Eyes + Richard Pinhas(!!!!!!!) / 99 / Yellow Tears To: extremeny , Loopers-Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b9e5a4fb14e0491745a9b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:40:27 +0000 (UTC) --0016363b9e5a4fb14e0491745a9b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, my, God, Richard Pinhas! So glad I checked my mailbox tonight... 9/30: Wolf Eyes + Richard Pinhas / 99 / Yellow Tears *When:* Thu, Sep 30 2010 - 8pm to 12am *Where:* 210 Kent Ave Brooklyn, NY 11211 (Secret Project Robot) *Description:* Music Show by Pendu at Secret Project Robot in Williamsburg Admission: $10 +++=3D=3D=3D+++ WOLF EYES (http://www.myspace.com/therealwolfeyes) & RICHARD PINHAS (HELDON) (http://www.richard-pinhas.com) + 99 (ex-graveyards) + YELLOW TEARS (http://www.myspace.com/yellowtears) =E2=80=9CComposer, guitarist and electronics innovator Richard Pinhas i= s recognized as one of France=E2=80=99s major experimental musicians. A pivot= al figure in the international development of electronic rock music, Pinhas=E2=80=99 = stature in France is analogous to Tangerine Dream=E2=80=99s in Germany: the father = figure of an entire musical movement. The pioneering, aggressive music produced by hi= s band Heldon during the 1970s, fusing electronics, guitar and rock, heralded the industrial and techno to come and remains today vital and unsurpassed. The =E2=80=98Father=E2=80=99 of electronic music in France is also recogniz= ed as a world-class guitarist whose =E2=80=9Cdiabolical guitar work=E2=80=9D (Progr= ession) earns comparisons with Robert Fripp.=E2=80=9D Facebook RSVP @ http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=3D150908588274661 The extreme NY music and arts calendar --=20 /t http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 --0016363b9e5a4fb14e0491745a9b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--0016363b9e5a4fb14e0491745a9b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 10:08:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 702963BE89; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1285841305; l=1052; s=domk; d=christojota.de; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject: In-Reply-To:References:To:From:X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH; bh=aB92MBsT33J6nKgkh6lvS5v3I20=; b=iX+q48c9Rf0eQ/41ByEcdgxQiyqC5yBPum6BdT/eWnuimSuAGsb58VINebfYLPLGBxJ OlgwZKA9LwUtNdkL8HKIPxhIGSYXDm98lZq+tByKsJImsLk9XY85lAlFFyAGW7yyatZf8 BVoeRIh0sk9BWsFICoPGaYqazoH0rFxrw7s= X-RZG-AUTH: :L2QWfFOIePcNBmV0yywuLUHS8OM2DDVxTuoYQATZ0ef73CyxOAEvvWjBOblRsw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Message-ID: <4D9CE058344845D9AE2F4F7CC1B9C22F@Christojota> From: "Christo Jota" To: References: <0D5BDB18-372B-44F9-8A8B-CFD86FC1BB70@mchsi.com> In-Reply-To: <0D5BDB18-372B-44F9-8A8B-CFD86FC1BB70@mchsi.com> Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:07:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 Resent-Message-ID: <0vcoWB.A.mTF.dGGpMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:08:29 +0000 (UTC) If you´re looking for a save and easy to handle looping-device with lots of options, like storing f.inst., I would recommend the RC 50. And it´s not expensive too. The thing is, you can rely on it. It works. If I need my synthie-sound loops to be more round, more smooth, I rather go for my RC 20 Delay functions. But all in all the RC 50 is a clever apparature and a good compromise. Best, Christo www.christojota.de -------------------------------------------------- From: "Hank & Michelle" Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:31 PM To: Subject: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50 > Hi Everyone, > > I'm torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50. I've got a Boomerang > Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can move my looper to > the end of my signal chain. The Boomerang would easily fit on my board, > and like I said I love my Plus, but I really like the idea of being able > to save my loops. > > Any ideas/suggestions? > > Thanks, > Hank From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 13:25:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 743C13BE86; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285853100; bh=qx45nIgaORyIUWnrnjoWCfhHcVxH2zP+rXJHBcI4cLc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1y+OpStNf/QN0xwVIt3OVeKcLMbPpYsg2qP5b+PQ0GqpXVKH7glEcIseVnPIWYjJ+iLulTBPFvUVJUd10VaFlE3KvJHfo8/c6OITOJ59H5ZC0NGwYWXvkdt0TznutQNPXfRHQLjheZWmXES/Nm0JqCgoYZKjitbIiWll1a4aXsY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z6bm9niUGaTu8Ez/0JTHvr5l7YbGRLOiBJG2BaLB4gdg6gpbH7ZFUXHYyo90YwkO8/THWajoeM/rl9A42dNrJyav0gbUSrIgKHR+E5IX8NuixDJatHoYquBv+/AaWOmUq7nQJGUQ96hsYRqhkYXHsvpvfCvc2lAVglQ77MPAP78=; Message-ID: <216236.47300.qm@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: MXnI8QEVM1mnwkK_JTAaOzCvUWoVLk9IFRyuwBFhVQAKNyq 1V.Qqcoy5yNMAqtxUuK6ZSRUVNmgq.BnWLuOXrBSc2qqft7IVnR7VIfEyULa AAm079yIT8t0Iv2ICwjIC.g0qaJdd.1I7RfZ6bM1BNJ4hhcqderZJmbZvueT WYmm6BpCF_lfVbJd65QRc9T.9knz6EbwDiKksrMavI0PviBf6g4noTul8Yih RSTE00IL.Q4mJaD7lVWTwWZ115kSGB.ha2L7tIcgvsqGjgz8AVFFSmWYY6Ff oqL4BKFIo0dnksl5uTnghaLWKLj284nKtiwhOeOHoEGRquN9m5xx1MbI9c7p D3Vo8n7ZbU9joRw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:25:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4D9CE058344845D9AE2F4F7CC1B9C22F@Christojota> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2034786882-1285853100=:47300" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:25:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-2034786882-1285853100=:47300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've had both (am currently using a Digitech Jamman Delay - ow). I really l= iked the new 'Rang a lot. The sound quality was pretty good and the pedal a= ction was acceptable. But--I really didn't like that "circular" lighted con= struct at all. I found it confusing and non-intuitive. And it was time cons= uming to reassign pedal functions. I may purchase another one now that the = new software version is available.=20 =A0 As far as the RC-50 goes, I found that to be a somewhat flakey device, i.e.= the interface. A ot of button pushes bending over to setup loops the way I= wanted them (e.g. with the proper clicktrack sound). But, maybe I'll get a= nother one day and give it a second chance. =A0 I think the new Jamman w/Delay is an acceptable looper (my favorite has alw= ays been the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro=A0followed by the Electrix Repeate= r and then the original Jamman). No external pedals are needed for loop-up = and loop-down. It does save loops and has a USB port. Quality is very good.= The Delay is icing on the cake.=20 =A0 Regards, Paul --- On Thu, 9/30/10, Christo Jota wrote: From: Christo Jota Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 6:07 AM If you=B4re looking for a save and easy to handle looping-device with lots = of options, like storing f.inst., I would recommend the RC 50. And it=B4s not expensive= too. The thing is, you can rely on it. It works. If I need my synthie-sound loops to be more round, more smooth, I rather go= for my RC 20 Delay functions. But all in all the RC 50 is a clever apparature and a good compromise. Best, Christo www.christojota.de -------------------------------------------------- From: "Hank & Michelle" Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:31 PM To: Subject: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50 > Hi Everyone, >=20 > I'm torn between the Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50.=A0 I've got a Boomer= ang Plus which I love, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can move my looper t= o the end of my signal chain.=A0 The Boomerang would easily fit on my board= , and like I said I love my Plus, but I really like the idea of being able = to save my loops. >=20 > Any ideas/suggestions? >=20 > Thanks, > Hank=20 =0A=0A=0A --0-2034786882-1285853100=:47300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've had both (am currently using a Digi= tech Jamman Delay - ow). I really liked the new 'Rang a lot. The sound qual= ity was pretty good and the pedal action was acceptable. But--I really didn= 't like that "circular" lighted construct at all. I found it confusing and = non-intuitive. And it was time consuming to reassign pedal functions. I may= purchase another one now that the new software version is available.
 
As far as the RC-50 goes, I found that to be a somewhat flakey device,= i.e. the interface. A ot of button pushes bending over to setup loops the = way I wanted them (e.g. with the proper clicktrack sound). But, maybe I'll = get another one day and give it a second chance.
 
I think the new Jamman w/Delay is an acceptable looper (my favorite ha= s always been the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro followed by the Electrix= Repeater and then the original Jamman). No external pedals are needed for = loop-up and loop-down. It does save loops and has a USB port. Quality is ve= ry good. The Delay is icing on the cake.
 
Regards, Paul


--- On Thu, 9/30/10, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.= de> wrote:

From: Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de>Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 vs. Boss RC-50
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-de= light.com
Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 6:07 AM


If you=B4re looking for a save and easy to handl= e looping-device with lots of options,
like storing f.inst., I would rec= ommend the RC 50. And it=B4s not expensive too.
The thing is, you can re= ly on it. It works.
If I need my synthie-sound loops to be more round, m= ore smooth, I rather go for
my RC 20 Delay functions.
But all in all = the RC 50 is a clever apparature and a good compromise.
Best,
Christo=
www.christojota.de

---------------------------------------------= -----
From: "Hank & Michelle" <musdnc@mchsi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:31 PM<= BR>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Boomeran= g 3 vs. Boss RC-50

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm torn between the = Boomerang 3 and the Boss RC-50.  I've got a Boomerang Plus which I lov= e, but I want stereo ins/outs so I can move my looper to the end of my sign= al chain.  The Boomerang would easily fit on my board, and like I said= I love my Plus, but I really like the idea of being able to save my loops.=
>
> Any ideas/suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> H= ank


=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A --0-2034786882-1285853100=:47300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 13:42:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 858A23BE8D; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" X-Originating-IP: 65.188.164.221 User-Agent: Web-Based Email 5.2.33 Message-Id: <20100930064211.95a0a121071e8df19db85607a1a5a351.57936255cb.wbe@email00.secureserver.net> From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Brian Eno "coming soon on Warp" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:42:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:42:14 +0000 (UTC)
preview track, 2 forms of anger:



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: OT: Brian Eno "coming soon on Warp"
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail= .com>
Date: Mon, August 02, 2010 1:21 pm
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>

Since we just discussed his methods for applied creativity in music
I'd like to share this link that just dropped into my inbox:

http://warp.net/records/brian= -eno

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub=

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 15:41:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AD453BE8B; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1926 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:41:40 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=Gbkd-XsZDh4Q0F06sqYA:9 a=XpNdXjQhkLpM-W6JWEc16qkx_HMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=I5AnrYF0YzMA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 From: baub@baub.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:46:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: windows 7 for Mac Message-ID: <4CA4A2D5.5652.F5DEA27@baub.baub.com> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <901717.16075.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: , , <901717.16075.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.52) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:41:41 +0000 (UTC) I use parallels on my macbook pro. and have a windows xp sp3 load and also a ubuntu linux load. It works great. XP pro seems to be a very stable and predictable operating system. I think the reason to go with XP more over Windows 7, is that you might have an old machine laying around (or a friends) that isn't being used any more. You can snag the license key off the case and use that on the mac instead of buying a new OS like Windows 7. On 22 Sep 2010 at 23:01, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote: > > hello, back on the block for some more tech nerd stuff. > > I need to reinstall windows on an iMac to run editor for Gordius BLG > and other editor programs. > > I plan to run Bootcamp and windows 7. Is this a wise choice: any > reason I should stick to XP? > Another side question: any reason I should prefer paralells to > bootcamp? > > Again, I will be running editors not real time audio... > > Antony Hequet > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 18:02:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49ED63BE8C; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: klob-a-toons Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:02:09 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 141.151.136.167 In-Reply-To: <216236.47300.qm@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32679-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD2EE0BB90F9BB-1E94-17EB@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:02:26 +0000 (UTC) unless you are a BFF of mine on facebook you may have missed my new=20 adventures in movie making..... some of you have suggested that i put my toons up on vimeo and being a=20 horse that is directed by the shadow of a whip, i have done so! www.vimeo.com/klobuchar give them a look see if you care to.....tanks.....:)m =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 18:34:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 347D13BE8C; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Oa55wfKTqM777vS0vyo4r4gjnCZRot1w8U+pHvFQtRw=; b=TKXUpHNnkxcEUwd1J9lmzU+TMU58lIxCjdwThrCVWR8Qk7epsGKxjk2k8AJKWVizYe yJoSRTocE3tUpkYOHoW7fBKbG7xKKwLrokRHJd8Vx+50HCYSuClwwozmB/PFVpGxGc6e PXZPljN3vtt0TMgWfL6qfn61datmhnhUReZIY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rz8SI2A/ZE4HLxWyGO7MhM6+KWrHsMWhT9gRZ2HJJxhk+nSf+xgEgSJemE1RfCBRwv M8xLV2fppKr2shypCynYMqN3J+JxzFTPdWDG8mxsPdfzr/6xBoPPMKJGAS94qpAt9edT 2JA1HLkcFTb5FYO0KmlGR4kg+4sgV3GG7BfFM= Message-ID: <4CA4D83D.4090108@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:34:37 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: klob-a-toons References: <8CD2EE0BB90F9BB-1E94-17EB@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CD2EE0BB90F9BB-1E94-17EB@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4ji2yB.A.KI.9gNpMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:34:38 +0000 (UTC) nemoguitt@aol.com schrieb: > unless you are a BFF of mine on facebook you may have missed my new > adventures in movie making..... > some of you have suggested that i put my toons up on vimeo and being a > horse that is directed by the shadow of a whip, i have done so! > www.vimeo.com/klobuchar > give them a look see if you care to.....tanks.....:)m Gearspotting time! I took a look at the "Jazz Hands" - http://www.vimeo.com/15410805 Top to bottom: Electrix MO-FX, Warp Factory, Filter Factory? What else is in this video (except for that hideously ugly logo just above the Electrix machines ;) ? Yours, Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 18:48:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 492723BE8B; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:48:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mCbFCkpdLTOnxZeD2CSGjlOWlMnJVbSbyMc4PC6oSnA=; b=NE3uxTbWjiOuLCscYjhbykjaJun3/N2zxWluL3MAjR7sLDO6OW+fqvQkErvQu25W0e mhnrviI/swtz5m6uDy/kM0xjWmJY08Xd4IHpASK/gNuRHzJXG8tnwLTAIvnSJhQKL4rk QLB084YoRhpbF4m2+2vDIcMhYoZR831AdlrNs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZQehFAWQz/ldZNse9wDPgTuiitQnYsfhcHijbJQHzhXXodDpo9fmIYIvYhJ0zRKXaK scmyYUFhUhY/ihcDO7kY3oWl4KbhinQEJVZINtXyIUmhUMMlYFA1jo5tzydEpc+6XAuC Skg4BelVKsl9TvBnchdSnqJZj1Lz6Ys6ryIMs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4CA4D83D.4090108@googlemail.com> References: <8CD2EE0BB90F9BB-1E94-17EB@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com> <4CA4D83D.4090108@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:48:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: klob-a-toons From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d34a0b51617f04917e86c9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:48:35 +0000 (UTC) --001636d34a0b51617f04917e86c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2010/9/30 Rainer Straschill > nemoguitt@aol.com schrieb: > > Top to bottom: Electrix MO-FX, Warp Factory, Filter Factory? > > What else is in this video (except for that hideously ugly logo just above > the Electrix machines ;) ? > Crazy and fun ! Love the "Star Wars" like titles... -fabio --001636d34a0b51617f04917e86c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/9/30 Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
nemoguitt@aol.com schrieb:=20

Top to bottom: Electrix MO-FX, Warp Factory, Filter F= actory?

What else is in this video (except for that hideously ugly l= ogo just above the Electrix machines ;) ?
=A0
Crazy and fun !
Love the "Star Wars" like titles...
-fabio
--001636d34a0b51617f04917e86c9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 19:13:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 674EE3BE8B; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=U7/AQh0L7MLLHQ4O5ReFyhpj3v1Y6mryrMuZy3II5SE=; b=OO0K2gaMMPvH3whzfdCiIg8ImMiiyb/YEQCy1PEEWYLakNDHXSTQ1gIhQfaCH4uqcb zjUUuuFTD48e5kys9Y/LTjAbb44226vYvOa4ERvgFAZkIUgOYW6VNSnw1a7cjoIPCnZa xfpdSAEJNIAzXA7sz6/dB5/SWR80Lh/IFmXoo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=aIeRAJsskppg3WXCvUpv9t6NFqkV+m/n60UGNrSuFFB9HubwlsUxRpuJgVq4H5OHGi i5WwFvciLUGqPgeaDWsm/tRyThuu/FnQm7PwRdGWp64tuOl9gevBnz2hOltVFdlox2lq W/4n0e5cc1Fq3Ksg0mrq4ZExGgy22msTd6PZ4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4CA4D83D.4090108@googlemail.com> References: <8CD2EE0BB90F9BB-1E94-17EB@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com> <4CA4D83D.4090108@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 21:13:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: klob-a-toons From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Monty python from Pittsburgh! ;-) -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 20:28:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B87383BE78; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 582847.47058.bm@omp103.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285878496; bh=5VGL3P/24LkUDohAlNbvGz/rrcM+CFNKvOiFjYLoBRo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OD4YbkoYsP8uoED5uev8zT1Z8wzAZMjJR1ih5BUpKajCcHnMgbsqcR0ZaGDNVpn9C335HGeIbJGtvMGOpisfxp7VUTn6kL1gFZYBLjlxz14KYGxxqTqxKXClIHrr0MzjKBV8mak0MHmr20D6reK+7ZXvrufUZZEiDu4a6g1olpM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3wFW0+5nUNlJNOU2ccoYIWJOuI8U0L8nnRVLNCNSlaFS03hcKfyde0f8nQAq/uZY0glAVa1nZZ49KYJek2uFuW/iyABl1wTriWwNCVZ2vgqARXH9d5WwEGEWVDcxdmQwYWuE8pA7H+vOGkzfVxplZtlyP28I5B+1ab24bqZfsHE=; Message-ID: <319889.40957.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tGvo.AsVM1kxh7WI149ZMZYrjGJWLNdj.qnBFMurwrefL96 rygvWGgJMAcm.s.tGPCGAJOklF.g9G8n5_UrDIXuuJI7Qw.GWIIGSgUpaUtL CYtS6hj5npepkcwuZgbKxshdym7L.4GYm9vNaMaN1oAokFLYuHtGxbNFd3fR UYuBxFWrYSKpyu7A8qOuy16ACGV0aTQ1TRS7MIxBgRwnyC0712iSBE6x.nPk OkbYQbAnuKMnRQyQvutkd6q0XYuxNwOMDN8KWmsLOy7rb2aOQvyExq1lNTd3 BtUwoGG3VAlt9tKROW_K.WnIRTPOG65bF7tN_97F9fZxwF0sBnrlX9w-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:28:16 -0700 (PDT) From: antonyhequet@yahoo.com Subject: the impossible snake To: loopers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:28:17 +0000 (UTC) hey,=0A=0Ai am looking for a snake floorbox, break OUT box that goes out of= my board with =0Afemale XLR and to a break out box with female balanced ja= ck to feed amps, =0Afilters, M=F6ooger Foogers.... I know I know, I could h= ave one made... But I want =0Ato find something pre made at a reasonable pr= ice. Does such a beast exist. The =0Aother way around easy, everybody has a= snake which feeds the input of the board!=0AANy creative ideas?=0A=0AAnton= y Hequet=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 30 20:42:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 875B43BE8B; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <8CD2EE0BB90F9BB-1E94-17EB@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com> <4CA4D83D.4090108@googlemail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: klob-a-toons Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:42:45 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 141.151.136.167 In-Reply-To: <4CA4D83D.4090108@googlemail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32679-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CD2EF72BF91170-83C-1316@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <9izaS.A.RwD.QZPpMB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Top to bottom: Electrix MO-FX, Warp Factory, Filter Factory?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 What else is in this video (except for that hideously ugly logo just=20 above the Electrix machines ;) ?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yours,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Rainer=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -- http://moinlabs.de=C2=A0 Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 in the rack: vortex (tanks stano), alesis Q-2, mackie 1202.....maybe a= =20 couple mod fx boxes.....keyboard is a cz-5000, rainer, i have never cared for the GATOR logo either.....:)