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I'm curious as to what you think when you guys listen back to recordings of=
 your own performances. I've recorded some jams which I thught were quite a=
cceptable while I was playing them=2C only to fell that they fell well shor=
t of expectations whilst just listening.

g

> Date: Mon=2C 31 Aug 2009 09:58:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM 	g=
uitarists)
> From: biffoz@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> Per wrote . . .
> > He=2C he... and I have sometimes been thinking that I maybe hear too mu=
ch structures in plain noise. =3B-))
>=20
> I find that my favorite loops are sometimes very eccentric and have a
> "limp" and often don't sound like they're worth even trying to play
> with them=97but in the process of letting them cycle for awhile=2C I star=
t
> getting used to the wobble and as I play along=2C I find myself adapting
> and finally playing fairly seamlessly over them.  (No comment on my
> ability to do this "live"!)
>=20
> >  Somehow I think it is not so much about talent but rather about trust =
and attitude. If you trust in the process it will reward you. But if you ju=
st feed a fraction of disbelief in your mind the music will not reveal a st=
ructure for you to play with. Another wonderful aspect is that if you do no=
t try hard=2C a lot of elements will fall into the right places. It really =
is the power of non-strength.
>=20
> A zen-like acceptance seems to be the most important factor for me.
> Doubt is the enemy.  Due to situational disturbances in my life over
> the past decade=2C I've been fighting my own battles with doubt=2C but
> might just be starting to feel like I'm readu to interact more=2C but
> don't quote me on that!  8-)
>=20
> --=20
> Miko Biffle
> Biffoz@Gmail.com
> "Running scared from all the usual distractions!"
>=20

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I'm curious as to what you think when you guys listen back to recordings of=
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cceptable while I was playing them=2C only to fell that they fell well shor=
t of expectations whilst just listening.<br><br>g<br><br>&gt=3B Date: Mon=
=2C 31 Aug 2009 09:58:53 -0700<br>&gt=3B Subject: Re: Composition &amp=3B I=
mprovisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM 	guitarists)<br>&gt=3B From: bif=
foz@gmail.com<br>&gt=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>&gt=3B <=
br>&gt=3B Per wrote . . .<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B He=2C he... and I have sometimes=
 been thinking that I maybe hear too much structures in plain noise. =3B-))=
<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B I find that my favorite loops are sometimes very ecce=
ntric and have a<br>&gt=3B "limp" and often don't sound like they're worth =
even trying to play<br>&gt=3B with them=97but in the process of letting the=
m cycle for awhile=2C I start<br>&gt=3B getting used to the wobble and as I=
 play along=2C I find myself adapting<br>&gt=3B and finally playing fairly =
seamlessly over them.  (No comment on my<br>&gt=3B ability to do this "live=
"!)<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B &gt=3B  Somehow I think it is not so much about ta=
lent but rather about trust and attitude. If you trust in the process it wi=
ll reward you. But if you just feed a fraction of disbelief in your mind th=
e music will not reveal a structure for you to play with. Another wonderful=
 aspect is that if you do not try hard=2C a lot of elements will fall into =
the right places. It really is the power of non-strength.<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=
=3B A zen-like acceptance seems to be the most important factor for me.<br>=
&gt=3B Doubt is the enemy.  Due to situational disturbances in my life over=
<br>&gt=3B the past decade=2C I've been fighting my own battles with doubt=
=2C but<br>&gt=3B might just be starting to feel like I'm readu to interact=
 more=2C but<br>&gt=3B don't quote me on that!  8-)<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B --=
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Hello,

Don't expect a corrected version of the RC50, it's -just- a singers edition 
of the RC20XL:
See it here:
http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=ve-20

greetings from Belgium,

Ben.


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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Gareth
Whittock<buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm curious as to what you think when you guys listen back to recordings =
of
> your own performances. I've recorded some jams which I thught were quite
> acceptable while I was playing them, only to fell that they fell well sho=
rt
> of expectations whilst just listening.

I agree. Listenening to recordings of live improvised music isn't the
best way of enjoying it. Better standing their in the room and
experience the energy as it happens.

But sometimes the "improvisation energy" makes it into a recording.
Check out Kulu Se Mama for an example of a great live jam recording!
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D5991

People talk about The Greatful Dead as "a great jam band" but although
I have been listening to some live recorded stuff I don't find in
there much of the communicative sensibility I tend to like in
improvised music. So maybe "The Dead" is a bad example? I like it when
you clearly hear how musicians are looking for common ground to unite
in harmony or even being obstructive and destroying every component
that could have caused "good music" to form. The Grand Wazoo by Zappa
is a nice take on composing and arranging those processes, but it is
more fun IMHO to hear it done by improvisation - even though fifty
percent of the notes fall outside the proper scale/key.

One important point is that improvisation definitely needs structure!
This is not saying the music needs structure. No matter if players
follow or avoid the structure, there is always a structure as a
musical backbone because music can not exist without being about
something, expressing something. If there isn't a structure,
expression, direction, movement... well, then the musicians simply
play bad and should immediately stop to start a new piece in a better
mode. Eh... maybe you're post hints at those embarrassing occasions
when playing is bad and for some reason doesn't stop? ;-)  l-o-l

For the record; I totally get Garteh's initial point in this thread.
Hearing his wonderful concert back at the Z=C3=BCrich Looping Festival I I
found it especially cool that the music he performed on duo was well
prepared to sound great, arranged with defined areas for improvisation
to take off. I look at that as related to how you work with pop or if
"playing for fans when having records out". It brings a different
energy than the improvisational flow IMHO.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Good points Per.=20
This whole thing follows on from a discussion I was having with my wife on =
recordings that seem to be endlessly playable=2C (I'm thinking of some clas=
sic Zeppelin=2C Tangerine Dream etc). The way they recorded was to play liv=
e together then maybe add some overdubs as opposed to today's recordng tech=
niques of laying tracks down singly=2C (unless it's jazz). I love the fresh=
ness and energy of some of this material and I'd lke to keep that in my own=
 work but condense it down to the really magc parts. The notion of a perfor=
mance just for that moment and not to be recorded is an interestng one that=
 I hadn't thought of though. Thanks for that. I shall mull it over... Thank=
s for the compliment too Per :-)

G

> Date: Tue=2C 1 Sep 2009 12:33:08 +0200
> Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM 	g=
uitarists)
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> On Tue=2C Sep 1=2C 2009 at 11:20 AM=2C Gareth
> Whittock<buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
> > I'm curious as to what you think when you guys listen back to recording=
s of
> > your own performances. I've recorded some jams which I thught were quit=
e
> > acceptable while I was playing them=2C only to fell that they fell well=
 short
> > of expectations whilst just listening.
>=20
> I agree. Listenening to recordings of live improvised music isn't the
> best way of enjoying it. Better standing their in the room and
> experience the energy as it happens.
>=20
> But sometimes the "improvisation energy" makes it into a recording.
> Check out Kulu Se Mama for an example of a great live jam recording!
> http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D5991
>=20
> People talk about The Greatful Dead as "a great jam band" but although
> I have been listening to some live recorded stuff I don't find in
> there much of the communicative sensibility I tend to like in
> improvised music. So maybe "The Dead" is a bad example? I like it when
> you clearly hear how musicians are looking for common ground to unite
> in harmony or even being obstructive and destroying every component
> that could have caused "good music" to form. The Grand Wazoo by Zappa
> is a nice take on composing and arranging those processes=2C but it is
> more fun IMHO to hear it done by improvisation - even though fifty
> percent of the notes fall outside the proper scale/key.
>=20
> One important point is that improvisation definitely needs structure!
> This is not saying the music needs structure. No matter if players
> follow or avoid the structure=2C there is always a structure as a
> musical backbone because music can not exist without being about
> something=2C expressing something. If there isn't a structure=2C
> expression=2C direction=2C movement... well=2C then the musicians simply
> play bad and should immediately stop to start a new piece in a better
> mode. Eh... maybe you're post hints at those embarrassing occasions
> when playing is bad and for some reason doesn't stop? =3B-)  l-o-l
>=20
> For the record=3B I totally get Garteh's initial point in this thread.
> Hearing his wonderful concert back at the Z=FCrich Looping Festival I I
> found it especially cool that the music he performed on duo was well
> prepared to sound great=2C arranged with defined areas for improvisation
> to take off. I look at that as related to how you work with pop or if
> "playing for fans when having records out". It brings a different
> energy than the improvisational flow IMHO.
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Just a fun thought relating to this thread: Yesterday I was at a
studio to play "a guitar solo". The guy put the part of the song in
cycle mode and said "you're on, Mate - go ahead". From a musical
performance point of view that's just a totally perverse method! Which
the situation did prove ;-))   We stopped, I had a listen to the part
for three times and then made sparse first-take that was hundred times
better then I would even come close by following the "DAW context" of
recording lots of crap in cycle mode and have some poor bastard spend
the night up trying to splice together scattered samples into
something that might tell some kind of story ;-))  Cycle recording
might be good to build up backing vocal layers, though. Besides,
didn't The Beatles play six nights a week for two years before even
beginning writing their own songs and record them! Obviously that
approach was quite successful.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.perboysen.com



On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Gareth Whittock<buddhamachine@live.co.uk> w=
rote:
> Good points Per.
> This whole thing follows on from a discussion I was having with my wife o=
n
> recordings that seem to be endlessly playable, (I'm thinking of some clas=
sic
> Zeppelin, Tangerine Dream etc). The way they recorded was to play live
> together then maybe add some overdubs as opposed to today's recordng
> techniques of laying tracks down singly, (unless it's jazz). I love the
> freshness and energy of some of this material and I'd lke to keep that in=
 my
> own work but condense it down to the really magc parts. The notion of a
> performance just for that moment and not to be recorded is an interestng =
one
> that I hadn't thought of though. Thanks for that. I shall mull it over...
> Thanks for the compliment too Per :-)
>
> G
>
>> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:33:08 +0200
>> Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM
>> guitarists)
>> From: perboysen@gmail.com
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Gareth
>> Whittock<buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> > I'm curious as to what you think when you guys listen back to recordin=
gs
>> > of
>> > your own performances. I've recorded some jams which I thught were qui=
te
>> > acceptable while I was playing them, only to fell that they fell well
>> > short
>> > of expectations whilst just listening.
>>
>> I agree. Listenening to recordings of live improvised music isn't the
>> best way of enjoying it. Better standing their in the room and
>> experience the energy as it happens.
>>
>> But sometimes the "improvisation energy" makes it into a recording.
>> Check out Kulu Se Mama for an example of a great live jam recording!
>> http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D5991
>>
>> People talk about The Greatful Dead as "a great jam band" but although
>> I have been listening to some live recorded stuff I don't find in
>> there much of the communicative sensibility I tend to like in
>> improvised music. So maybe "The Dead" is a bad example? I like it when
>> you clearly hear how musicians are looking for common ground to unite
>> in harmony or even being obstructive and destroying every component
>> that could have caused "good music" to form. The Grand Wazoo by Zappa
>> is a nice take on composing and arranging those processes, but it is
>> more fun IMHO to hear it done by improvisation - even though fifty
>> percent of the notes fall outside the proper scale/key.
>>
>> One important point is that improvisation definitely needs structure!
>> This is not saying the music needs structure. No matter if players
>> follow or avoid the structure, there is always a structure as a
>> musical backbone because music can not exist without being about
>> something, expressing something. If there isn't a structure,
>> expression, direction, movement... well, then the musicians simply
>> play bad and should immediately stop to start a new piece in a better
>> mode. Eh... maybe you're post hints at those embarrassing occasions
>> when playing is bad and for some reason doesn't stop? ;-) l-o-l
>>
>> For the record; I totally get Garteh's initial point in this thread.
>> Hearing his wonderful concert back at the Z=C3=BCrich Looping Festival I=
 I
>> found it especially cool that the music he performed on duo was well
>> prepared to sound great, arranged with defined areas for improvisation
>> to take off. I look at that as related to how you work with pop or if
>> "playing for fans when having records out". It brings a different
>> energy than the improvisational flow IMHO.
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se
>> www.perboysen.com
>>
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> You also talk about cultural starvation - are you aware of how many
> albums are released every day? You could spend your whole life
> listening to music, never listening to the same album twice. And I am
> talking about masterpieces of art, not fast food. :-)

I believe I said stagnation, not starvation.  My concern is more with
innovation and being allowed to build on what has come before you,
since I don't belive you can create out of nothing.

What if someone has, in their head, the best Batman story ever told?
Right now he can write it down and share it with friends.  He can also
pass it down to their kids, grand-kids and so on.  Eventually, maybe,
someone will be able to publish it.  I don't want to deprive creators
of their rights, but if someone can write the best Batman story ever
told, I want to read it.

The link below is to an article published yesterday that presents a
view akin to my own.  The author does a better job of presenting his
ideas than I did...

http://tucowsinc.com/news/2009/08/copyrights-creative-disincentive/

Sylvain

On 8/27/09, Milo <milo.vuc@gmail.com> wrote:
> The protection of copyright beyond the artists' life is in place so
> that his/her family is protected after his/her death. It was designed
> as a backup social protection for the art worker and his/her children,
> because most art workers are not superstars and they are living a
> normal life as you all know, I am sure.
>
> When you are a businessman, you own your business and its capital. If
> you suddenly die, your family inherits it. This is a choice of society
> as well.
>
> Do big corporations exploit the laws? Of course they do! But can you
> please point to the direction of a multinational corporation that is
> not exploiting a law nowadays?
>
> We can either abolish property completely or not. The middle way, the
> easy way, is the post modern capitalism we live in, crushing the
> people in favor of corporations.
>
> Pirate Bay is a corporation - a multimillion dollar one. Their shares
> are available for sale in the stock markets. How many dollars have
> those businessmen invested in art? Zero. How many artists have those
> businessmen assisted financially? Zero.
>
> You also talk about cultural starvation - are you aware of how many
> albums are released every day? You could spend your whole life
> listening to music, never listening to the same album twice. And I am
> talking about masterpieces of art, not fast food. :-)
>
> On 8/27/09, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:
> >What we have now, is a bit of
> > perversion of that original intent where copyrights extend beyond the
> > life of the original creator...  The aime of many rights holders is to
> > keep the works indefinitely out of the public domain by introducing
> > slight variations, re-issues and so on to renew the copyright to their
> > benefit, but to the detriment of everyone else.
> >
> > To see how absurd this is, imagine if patents worked the same way and
> > never ended up in the public sphere...  (not tha patent laws are
> > perfect)
> >
> > If, like me, you believe there is no creatio ex nihilo, being deprived
> > of building on what has come before us can only lead to cultural
> > stagnation.
> >
> > Sylvain
>
>

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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Per Boysen<perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> People talk about The Greatful Dead as "a great jam band" but although
> I have been listening to some live recorded stuff I don't find in
> there much of the communicative sensibility I tend to like in
> improvised music. So maybe "The Dead" is a bad example? I like it when
> you clearly hear how musicians are looking for common ground to unite
> in harmony or even being obstructive and destroying every component
> that could have caused "good music" to form.

I'm not a "deadhead" so I'm not familiar with the vast board archives
or most of the post-1980 recordings, however, I still rate Live Dead
as a stellar example of interaction in music. As the instrumental
sections between the songs start moving towards their "close", you can
definitely hear the dialog - almost conflict, or a debate - in the
guitars as Weir tries to take the music in one direction, Garcia in
another, etc. I haven't heard any other Dead recording that comes
close to this - they started to play much shorter songs immediately
afterwards - but of course, my exposure is limited. But this recording
is an absolute must-hear if you're unfamiliar with it.

-- 
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hmm..
I think it may be that the performer is the least
able person to judge the quality of a performance that they
just completed. Especially if there's improvised content.

I became aware of this when I recorded 2 different versions of
a similar structured improv at 2 different venues during the Y2K5
festival in California.
The version that was exciting at the time seemed weak and
meandering on playback,
whereas the performance that felt like going through the motions
produced a recording which I thought was full of energy 
as well as being compositionally attractive.

...and of course,  I heard Bill Walker express his unfounded
misgivings after every performance I saw ;-)


Then again. a performance isn't just the sound that gets recorded.
(and often, there's sounds that weren't going through the pa that
  don't get onto the recording).
A live performance is perhaps enough of a social ritual that the
music itself is only part of what makes it work.
Sometimes what works well as a live performance needs a bit of
editing to make a listenable recording...sometimes the whole
thing works better as a memory.

a
 



 

Gareth Whittock wrote:
> I'm curious as to what you think when you guys listen back to recordings 
> of your own performances. I've recorded some jams which I thught were 
> quite acceptable while I was playing them, only to fell that they fell 
> well short of expectations whilst just listening.
> 
> g

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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:28 AM, andy butler<akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> hmm..
> I think it may be that the performer is the least
> able person to judge the quality of a performance that they
> just completed. Especially if there's improvised content.
>

I don't figure I'm usually qualified to judge my own work, improvised
or not, until I haven't listened to a piece for a year. Well, that's
not exactly true. I can recognize crap and really boring parts
immediately (some of you may dispute that based on the evidence of my
work). But there's a lot of music that I make that is just on that
line where I'm not sure. It sounds nice, it flows, but is it
distinctive? Why *shouldn't* I just throw it away? Those can be hard
questions to answer without distance.

>
> Then again. a performance isn't just the sound that gets recorded.
> (and often, there's sounds that weren't going through the pa that
> =A0don't get onto the recording).
> A live performance is perhaps enough of a social ritual that the
> music itself is only part of what makes it work.
> Sometimes what works well as a live performance needs a bit of
> editing to make a listenable recording...sometimes the whole
> thing works better as a memory.
>

Hard to argue with any of that - I think it's an excellent perspective
to remember.

--=20
Warren
Destroyer of Keyboards
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I received this charming note from a friend of mine about my recent piece,
http://warrensirota.com/solostuff/y2k9sAcomin.mp3:

*Well done Warren - It's rather hard to imagine how you did that and
especially how you did it so smoothly.
I liked the over all grove but didn't like what the guitar sound morphed
into.  The only guitar sound I liked was the very opening.  Much of the rest
of it sounded like electronic problems (coming from bad instrument cords or
bad connections) that I have had to try and figure out how to remedy during
recording or live sound.

And to be perfectly honest, this did not make me feel good - but that is
probably just a reflection of musical taste - you are into experimental
music, I am not.  I guess it's just a reflection of being an old person now,
but, I do tend to be drawn to music that is soothing or beautiful to me,
music is really about being transported to some place I want to go and I
didn't want to go where Y2K9 took me.  But, don't worry, I am not a just
totally into musical pap - smooth jazz (with some exceptions) doesn't really
do it for me very much either.  But there is no question about it - there
are, no doubt, a lot of people (younger, I would guess) who would really dig
this.

Have fun at the looper festival.  I'm sure that looping works as well as
learning a new foreign language in staving off dementia.

*My answer:
*Interesting comments.

Thanks for listening despite your lack of connection with the style.
It's true that in this dimension of my playing I am getting into
grittier and grittier guitar sounds. I really think of what I'm doing
as a progression of textures, and I tend to judge the music, for
myself, on the basis of "does the pacing serve to focus my attention
on the textures without boring me" and "how do the moments of the
piece flow into one another - whether smoothly or dramatically, are
the transitions competent and interesting?" For me, this piece rates
pretty high on those measures, and I would say that it's the most
compelling continuous unedited narrative that I've come up with in a
long time (the other pieces that you've heard recently had at least
some slicing and dicing involved). It gives me hope that my live
performance at the festival will be better than ever.

It's not that I won't be making "beautiful" looping music - but I
start each piece with a concept of the palette of sounds I might use
and the tech tricks I might play to keep the loop evolving. Some
palettes seem more, uh... "tasteful" than others, but it's just a
question of the mood of the moment for me. And which guitar I pick up.

I haven't had any feedback other than you from the dozen or so people
I sent this out to - I wouldn't be too surprised if many feel like
you. On the loopers' list, reactions are more enthusiastic. When I
play for/with a younger set, reactions are also enthusiastic. But,
while I enjoy this and am most certainly an attention slut, I long ago
found that individuals' reactions to a piece of music, positive or
negative, rarely have much relationship to how I conceive or rate it
myself.

OTOH, I find myself utterly unable to sit and watch a traditional jazz
group anymore without being completely numbed. Head, sax solo, piano
solo, bass solo, drum solo, head, repeat until exhausted. If there are
vocals involved, it's usually a different story. The very concept of
soloing just seems - I don't know, misguided or something - to me at
this point.

So I guess you don't want to come down to Santa Cruz and hang out at
the looping festival :-)

Anyway, I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one. Thanks for
your honest reactions. Maybe you'll like the next one better.*

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I received this charming note from a friend of mine about my recent piece, =
<a href=3D"http://warrensirota.com/solostuff/y2k9sAcomin.mp3">http://warren=
sirota.com/solostuff/y2k9sAcomin.mp3</a>:<br><br><i>Well done Warren - It&#=
39;s rather hard to imagine how you did that and especially how you did it =
so smoothly.<br>
I liked the over all grove but didn&#39;t like what the guitar sound morphe=
d into. =A0The only guitar sound I liked was the very opening. =A0Much of t=
he rest of it sounded like electronic problems (coming from bad instrument =
cords or bad connections) that I have had to try and figure out how to reme=
dy during recording or live sound.<br>
<br>And to be perfectly honest, this did not make me feel good - but that i=
s probably just a reflection of musical taste - you are into experimental m=
usic, I am not. =A0I guess it&#39;s just a reflection of being an old perso=
n now, but, I do tend to be drawn to music that is soothing or beautiful to=
 me, music is really about being transported to some place I want to go and=
 I didn&#39;t want to go where Y2K9 took me. =A0But, don&#39;t worry, I am =
not a just totally into musical pap - smooth jazz (with some exceptions) do=
esn&#39;t really do it for me very much either. =A0But there is no question=
 about it - there are, no doubt, a lot of people (younger, I would guess) w=
ho would really dig this.<br>
<br>Have fun at the looper festival. =A0I&#39;m sure that looping works as =
well as learning a new foreign language in staving off dementia.<br><br></i=
>My answer:<br><i>Interesting comments.<br><br>
Thanks for listening despite your lack of connection with the style.<br>
It&#39;s true that in this dimension of my playing I am getting into<br>
grittier and grittier guitar sounds. I really think of what I&#39;m doing<b=
r>
as a progression of textures, and I tend to judge the music, for<br>
myself, on the basis of &quot;does the pacing serve to focus my attention<b=
r>
on the textures without boring me&quot; and &quot;how do the moments of the=
<br>
piece flow into one another - whether smoothly or dramatically, are<br>
the transitions competent and interesting?&quot; For me, this piece rates<b=
r>
pretty high on those measures, and I would say that it&#39;s the most<br>
compelling continuous unedited narrative that I&#39;ve come up with in a<br=
>
long time (the other pieces that you&#39;ve heard recently had at least<br>
some slicing and dicing involved). It gives me hope that my live<br>
performance at the festival will be better than ever.<br><br>
It&#39;s not that I won&#39;t be making &quot;beautiful&quot; looping music=
 - but I<br>
start each piece with a concept of the palette of sounds I might use<br>
and the tech tricks I might play to keep the loop evolving. Some<br>
palettes seem more, uh... &quot;tasteful&quot; than others, but it&#39;s ju=
st a<br>
question of the mood of the moment for me. And which guitar I pick up.<br><=
br>
I haven&#39;t had any feedback other than you from the dozen or so people<b=
r>
I sent this out to - I wouldn&#39;t be too surprised if many feel like<br>
you. On the loopers&#39; list, reactions are more enthusiastic. When I<br>
play for/with a younger set, reactions are also enthusiastic. But,<br>
while I enjoy this and am most certainly an attention slut, I long ago<br>
found that individuals&#39; reactions to a piece of music, positive or<br>
negative, rarely have much relationship to how I conceive or rate it<br>
myself.<br><br>
OTOH, I find myself utterly unable to sit and watch a traditional jazz<br>
group anymore without being completely numbed. Head, sax solo, piano<br>
solo, bass solo, drum solo, head, repeat until exhausted. If there are<br>
vocals involved, it&#39;s usually a different story. The very concept of<br=
>
soloing just seems - I don&#39;t know, misguided or something - to me at<br=
>
this point.<br><br>
So I guess you don&#39;t want to come down to Santa Cruz and hang out at<br=
>
the looping festival :-)<br><br>
Anyway, I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one. Thanks for<br>
your honest reactions. Maybe you&#39;ll like the next one better.</i>





<br>

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I'm with you on that one Warren.

If not a whole year . . . at least a few weeks or months.

It's extremely rare for me to like much of anything I've done  
immediately afterwards.

But I think I'll stop there before my comments begin to meander down  
some psycho-depressive rabbit hole.

I've been working on trying to change that by reading books like Kenny  
Werner's.

But I've had only limited success.

On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:

> I don't figure I'm usually qualified to judge my own work, improvised
> or not, until I haven't listened to a piece for a year.

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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM, tEd =C2=AE KiLLiAn<tedkillian@charter.net> =
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> I'm with you on that one Warren.

> On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:
>
>> I don't figure I'm usually qualified to judge my own work, improvised
>> or not, until I haven't listened to a piece for a year.


That's where a producer comes in handy! If not wanting to wait for a
year, I mean ;-) Simply letting someone else judge - after all,
playing is the fun part.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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At 7:50 AM -0700 9/1/09, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote:
>On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:
>
>>I don't figure I'm usually qualified to judge my own work, improvised
>>or not, until I haven't listened to a piece for a year.
>
>I'm with you on that one Warren.
>
>If not a whole year . . . at least a few weeks or months.
>
>It's extremely rare for me to like much of=20
>anything I've done immediately afterwards.
>
>But I think I'll stop there before my comments=20
>begin to meander down some psycho-depressive=20
>rabbit hole.

Oh don't stop on our account.  I'm right there with you both -- 110%!!!

I nearly-pathologically *despise* anything I've=20
done if I critique it right after finishing it.=20
But if I walk away for some period of time and=20
give myself a chance to forget about it=20
completely, I'll often come back and realize=20
there's some pretty interesting stuff in there.

That exact thing happened a few nights ago.  I=20
tripped over a folder filled with a bunch of=20
half-finished Live files.  I'd only bothered to=20
save them in the first place because "these suck,=20
but I've put in so frickin' many hours that I=20
might as well have something to show for it".=20
Listening back, I was actually quite fascinated=20
at some of the arrangements ("wow, how the hell=20
did i do that?").

Just keep me far away from the "delete" key until then.  ;)

	--m.
-- 
_____
"take one step outside yourself. the whole path=20
lasts no longer than one step..."

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This last Sunday Morning at
11<http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sunday-morning-at-11>webcast I did
(show date 8/23) I used Mobius for the first time 'live' after
briefly using it some in recording/practice last year.

I took my last loop from the show and did some add'l visual production on
the sequence with images and objects in my studio space.  I posted two
versions, the original (11:37) was too long for YouTube so it's on Vimeo
at... http://www.vimeo.com/6369568 .

I recut a 10 min version for YouTube which is at...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5eNMD4ztII

I have several things going on this weekend family wise as my daughter and I
both turn a year so debating about when I'll do my cast, I'll send out
another note confirming it's time this weekend.

Good week to all and thanks for viewing...


Jim

-- 
ReUse, an introspective textural aural
www.myspace.com/CtReUse

music links...
www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
www.myspace.com/jindream
www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic

video work/editing...
www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital

social networking...
www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic

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<div>This last <a href=3D"http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sunday-morning-at-1=
1">Sunday Morning at 11</a> webcast I did (show date 8/23) I used Mobius fo=
r the first time &#39;live&#39; after briefly using it some in recording/pr=
actice last year.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>I took my last loop from the show and did some add&#39;l visual produc=
tion on the sequence with images and objects in my studio space.=A0 I poste=
d two versions, the original (11:37) was too long for YouTube so it&#39;s o=
n Vimeo at... <a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/6369568">http://www.vimeo.com=
/6369568</a>=A0.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>I recut a 10 min version for YouTube which is at... <a href=3D"http://=
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DL5eNMD4ztII">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DL5e=
NMD4ztII</a></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I have several things going on this weekend family wise as my daughter=
 and I both turn a year so debating about when I&#39;ll do my cast, I&#39;l=
l send out another note confirming it&#39;s time this weekend.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Good week to all and thanks for viewing...</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Jim<br clear=3D"all"></div>
<div></div><br>-- <br>ReUse, an introspective textural aural<br><a href=3D"=
http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse">www.myspace.com/CtReUse</a><br><br>music li=
nks...<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com<=
/a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a=
><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.myspace.com/jimg=
oodinmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic">www=
.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro">www.myspace.com/j=
imgoodinviolinelectro</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jindream">ww=
w.myspace.com/jindream</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmu=
sic">www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
<br>video work/editing...<br><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigit=
al">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br><br>social networking...<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic=
</a><br>
<br>

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I'm curious what the folks on this list think of the concept of being  
able to use "real tme pitch correction" for vocals in a live  
performance as this pedal allows you to do.

I confess I used pitch correction once in the studio for a phrase that  
I didn't have time or money to go back in and correct, and I felt it  
was a crucial tune for that CD.  It wasn't a horrid take, and it was  
not far off pitch.  Also, it was something I knew I was able to do, I  
just hadn't done it in the recording.

To me it seems like that kind of situation is one thing, but live?

Any thoughts?



John Floridis
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    There's definitely something about being "too close" to the memory 
of having created it.

    When I listen back to older things I've recorded, I can barely 
remember being the person who recorded them... I'm curious "how did I 
get that sound"? Could I ever reproduce that accident? That mood?

    I wonder if this distance helps with appreciating the music as a 
whole rather than micro-managing every detail as though I were still 
playing it (in the moment of listening) rather than simply listening!

    I saw an interview some years back with Trent Reznor where he said 
that he felt the band had played the show of their career at Woodstock 
'94. He felt exhilaration as he left the stage. (paraphrasing) Then he 
saw the video of their performance and revised his opinion to say "we 
were terrible, we didn't play that well".

    So it seems that the "pros" suffer from the same thing!

TREVOR.

Mech wrote:
> At 7:50 AM -0700 9/1/09, tEd ® KiLLiAn wrote:
>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:
>>
>>> I don't figure I'm usually qualified to judge my own work, improvised
>>> or not, until I haven't listened to a piece for a year.
>>
>> I'm with you on that one Warren.
>>
>> If not a whole year . . . at least a few weeks or months.
>>
>> It's extremely rare for me to like much of anything I've done 
>> immediately afterwards.
>>
>> But I think I'll stop there before my comments begin to meander down 
>> some psycho-depressive rabbit hole.
>
> Oh don't stop on our account.  I'm right there with you both -- 110%!!!
>
> I nearly-pathologically *despise* anything I've done if I critique it 
> right after finishing it. But if I walk away for some period of time 
> and give myself a chance to forget about it completely, I'll often 
> come back and realize there's some pretty interesting stuff in there.
>
> That exact thing happened a few nights ago.  I tripped over a folder 
> filled with a bunch of half-finished Live files.  I'd only bothered to 
> save them in the first place because "these suck, but I've put in so 
> frickin' many hours that I might as well have something to show for 
> it". Listening back, I was actually quite fascinated at some of the 
> arrangements ("wow, how the hell did i do that?").
>
> Just keep me far away from the "delete" key until then.  ;)
>
>     --m.

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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:07 PM, john floridis<john@johnfloridis.com> wrote:
> I'm curious what the folks on this list think of the concept of being able
> to use "real tme pitch correction" for vocals in a live performance as this
> pedal allows you to do.

I read through the presentation briefly and got the impression that it
is a harmonizer function. You sing one note into the processor and get
a three notes output. And in order to create a smooth sounding chord
the device corrects the input pitch before applying its magic rather
than analyzing a unique pitch and calculating two additional pitch
intervals.

Greetings from Sweden

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i thought it sounded a bit cool actually, ive alwasy thought i would like to
loop my voice, but as i cant sing for toffee i was always looking for a cool
vocal effect. I played around with some of the digitech vocalist products,
but they were too much for what i needed... And i would definitely NEED
pitch correction... oh my god yes.. Pheweee..

this pedal seemed to have it al!


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i thought it sounded a bit cool actually, ive alwasy thought i would like t=
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ts, but they were too much for what i needed... And i would definitely NEED=
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"...and of course,  I heard Bill Walker express his unfounded misgivings
after every performance I saw ;-)

 

 

That's because everything I do sucks Ass!

Actually Andy, in 2005 at the Zurich fest and later at Y2K5 I was becoming
bored with what I was doing and limited by the Repeater's quirks and low
internal memory, finicky CFC issues etc. I was also sick of my Roland GR30
and the tricks I was using to drive the RPTR with it. I also was not happy
with my tone at the time, and felt in a musical rut. I was tired of hauling
around a shit pile of gear and wanted to strip my options down a bit.
That's probably where my lousy attitude came from :-)

     I too have a hard time being subjective about my music which is why I
don't have a recorded output like Prince Nelson Rogers. But like him, I too
am funky. I'm continually trying to best myself, get better tones, create
more interesting music, and find new ways of utilizing the technology.
Don't get me wrong, I actually like much of my own music, and I have a bunch
of music recorded. I just have a hard time producing myself, knowing when to
stop, what to edit, etc. It's a bit crazy making, but I'm getting more
patient with the engineering side of music making and recording in DAW, and
being my own producer etc., I'm just a tortoise poking along.  I admire
those of you out there who are more prolific. If I had the money to quite
working for a few months and hire a great producer, Manfred Eicher would do,
I would in a heart beat, but I don't.  That being said I'm as happy and
inspired as I have ever been making music, and looking forward to Y2K8.  The
journey is the destination.

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&#8220;...and of =
course,&nbsp; I
heard Bill Walker express his unfounded misgivings after every =
performance I
saw ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>That&#8217;s because everything I do sucks =
Ass!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Actually Andy, in 2005 at the Zurich fest and later =
at Y2K5 I
was becoming bored with what I was doing and limited by the =
Repeater&#8217;s
quirks and low internal memory, finicky CFC issues etc. I was also sick =
of my
Roland GR30 and the tricks I was using to drive the RPTR with it. I also =
was
not happy with my tone at the time, and felt in a musical rut. I was =
tired of
hauling around a shit pile of gear and wanted to strip my options down a =
bit. <font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'>That&#8217;s probably where my lousy attitude came =
from </span></font></span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DWingdings><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Wingdings;color:black'>J</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I too have a hard time being
subjective about my music which is why I don&#8217;t have a recorded =
output
like Prince Nelson Rogers. But like him, I too am funky. I&#8217;m =
continually
trying to best myself, get better tones, create more interesting music, =
and
find new ways of utilizing the technology.&nbsp; Don&#8217;t get me =
wrong, I
actually like much of my own music, and I have a bunch of music =
recorded. I
just have a hard time producing myself, knowing when to stop, what to =
edit,
etc. It&#8217;s a bit crazy making, but I&#8217;m getting more patient =
with the
<font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'>engineering side of =
music making
and recording in DAW, and being my own producer etc., I&#8217;m just a =
tortoise
poking along.&nbsp; I admire those of you out there who are more =
prolific. If I
had the money to quite working for a few months and hire a great =
producer,
Manfred Eicher would do, I would in a heart beat, but I =
don&#8217;t.&nbsp; That
being said I&#8217;m as happy and inspired as I have ever been making =
music,
and looking forward</span></font> to Y2K8.&nbsp; The journey is the
destination.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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sorry Bill, didn't mean to pick on you,

just happens that your performances always seem to be well liked
and admired.

Thanks for bringing some more thoughts about the issue.
Indeed I remember you were getting disillusioned with
you Repeater based setup....however don't forget that
for the audience it was still new and exciting.

Incidentally, do you still have "the tapes" from the 2005 Big Sur gig?
( I thought your set there was particularly fine) 


andy



William Walker wrote:
> “...and of course,  I heard Bill Walker express his unfounded misgivings 
> after every performance I saw ;-)
> 

> That’s because everything I do sucks Ass!
> 
> Actually Andy, in 2005 at the Zurich fest and later at Y2K5 I was 
> becoming bored with what I was doing and limited by the Repeater’s 
> quirks and low internal memory, finicky CFC issues etc. 

> That being said I’m as happy and inspired as I have ever been 
> making music, 

>and looking forward to Y2K8.

spoken as a true looper


>  The journey is the destination.
> 
> Bill
> 

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Ok. Following on from the improvisation/composition debate. How about some =
recommendations for inspiring improvisatons?
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any pointers.

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2 Pseudobuddha=2C "7 days in fat city". I don't know how this was recorded =
but it sounds and feels so flowingly fresh and organic=2C (thanks to James =
Sidlo for getting me a copy btw).

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it seems theres an infinite number of mac's to choose from (or maybe just 3=
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in a laptop I think i need the following...

RECORDING
2 inputs... vocal mic + guitar mic
how much does this interface cost?

LIVE
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input for a midi controller (keyboard) to play cubase or logic synths
output for that
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vocal=2C guitar and bass recording DI and miced cabs. Also looping would be=
 good. I've heard mobius works=2C does it allow multi tracks ala the roland=
 rc-50?<br><br>in a laptop I think i need the following...<br><br>RECORDING=
<br>2 inputs... vocal mic + guitar mic<br>how much does this interface cost=
?<br><br>LIVE<br>input for some sort of pedal to control mobius<br>gtr etc =
input and output for mobius<br>input for a midi controller (keyboard) to pl=
ay cubase or logic synths<br>output for that<br>can i use those 2 ^^ inputs=
 from before here!?<br><br>I guess I want to record drums too but they coul=
d probably just get recorded somewhere else then I can add layers here. I w=
ant to do a fair bit of drum programming (ableton probably=2C with dfh) to =
make some demo tracks for this band i'm making but my drummer of choice is =
out of action for 1 1/2 months with a broken foot... <br>How much RAM and s=
peed do I need and how much is superfluous? including lots of overdubs! and=
 perhaps my bro wants to do some lightshows on it too so extra room for gra=
phics could be an option...<br><br>what's the difference between having a f=
irewire port built in like the old ones and the pro's or not... is fiirewir=
e essential? best quality?<br><br>sorry for rambling so much=2C any directi=
on you can give would be really appreciated!<br><br>andy<br><br><br /><hr /=
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Personally I would listen to almost anything done by Can.
They are not anally improvisers, but they had this tchnique of recording
long improvisations, and then one of them would laboriously edit them down
on tape to album friendly lengths. You can hear the edits in places, and
accept them as part of the track. Starter Albums are Monster Movie
1968Delay, and the very wonderful Tago Mago.

This is the band that got me into improvising...

M

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>wrote:

>  Ok. Following on from the improvisation/composition debate. How about some
> recommendations for inspiring improvisatons?
> I dislike jazz so there go quite a few options I guess but I would welcome
> any pointers.
>
> 2 stand out for me
> 1 The band Man's live rendition of "spunk Box" at the greasy Truckers
> Garden Party. Amazing, sattiva drenched, inspired jamming that really
> translates to the recording
> 2 Pseudobuddha, "7 days in fat city". I don't know how this was recorded
> but it sounds and feels so flowingly fresh and organic, (thanks to James
> Sidlo for getting me a copy btw).
>
> g
>
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Personally I would listen to almost anything done by Can.<br>They are not a=
nally improvisers, but they had this tchnique of recording long improvisati=
ons, and then one of them would laboriously edit them down on tape to album=
 friendly lengths. You can hear the edits in places, and accept them as par=
t of the track. Starter Albums are Monster Movie 1968Delay, and the very wo=
nderful Tago Mago.<br>

<br>This is the band that got me into improvising...<br><br>M<br><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Gareth Whittock <span =
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d out for me<br>

1 The band Man&#39;s live rendition of &quot;spunk Box&quot; at the greasy =
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lly translates to the recording<br>2 Pseudobuddha, &quot;7 days in fat city=
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http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/top20-08aug.html

WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for August, 2009.
Shows #644 to #647; 6-August-2009 to 27-August-2009
Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order.
Compiled by Bill Fox
website: http://galactictravels.info
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The Special Focus for August was Saul Stokes.
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/focus.html#aug


ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
===========================================================
Alpha Wave Movement - Beyond Silence - HRR
Asnazzy - Voyage To Andromeda - none
Between Interval - The Edge of a Fairytale - Spotted Peccary
Cluster - Qua - Nepenthe
Create - In the Blink of an Eye - Groove
Faryus and Bodarenko 8 Atmospheres - Faria
Frank Van Bogaert with Erik Wollo - Air Machine - ACE
Johan Agebjorn - Mossebo - Lotuspike
Markus Reuter and Ian Boddy - Dervish - DiN
Meesha - Pentorama - none
Parallel Worlds - Shade - DiN
Ricochet Gathering - Romania 2008 - Riochet Dream
Robert Rich and Ian Boddy - React - DiN
Saul Stokes - Fields - Binary
Saul Stokes - Metacollage - Stokesmusic
Saul Stokes - Vast - The Foundry
Saul Stokes - Villa Galaxia - Binary
Stephen Parsick - Cambrium - Doombient
Steve Dinsdale - New Church - Northern Echo
Steve Roach - Dynamic Stillness - Projekt

Bill
=======================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in
Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on
93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD
Digital Radio on 88.1 FM.
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Hi Andy,
The "2008" white Apple Macbook with 2.4 GHz ( Dual-Core ) + 4Gb ram
should already be enough for Logic 8 or 9 + some soft synths and
Mobius. Regarding audio and midi interfaces, I can recommend the Motu
Ultralite mk3 which does all you need (have it myself). Mobius + a
flexible audio interface like the Motu can do everything the rc-50 can
plus a lot more, you can't really compare them.

> How much RAM and speed do I need and how much is superfluous?

I installed the maximum amount which is 4 Gb. Tip: buy cheap Kingston
memory chips, Apple chips are very expensive.

> what's the difference between having a firewire port built in like the old
> ones and the pro's or not... is fiirewire essential? best quality?

Firewire is good, I don't have experience with USB2 interfaces but
Motu offers models with either Firewire or USB2 for the same price.
both have been tested well by known magazines like Sound On Sound.
-- 
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Ditto. LOVE Can's grooves and that wiry guitar . . . There was Soft
Machine (more jazzy, yet still with a very rock esthetic).

Nels Cline's personal work and ensembles are chock full of cutting
edge improv.  He has a sorta lo-fi blended with high-tech vibe that's
truly unique.  I'm particularly liking his recent release "Coward".

Like Rypdal, Nels has a huge catalog and one has to work through it to
understand the enormous scope of his work. Through it all, Nels sounds
unique . . . a true original.

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> Personally I would listen to almost anything done by Can.

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what about Supersilent?

everything they do is improvised

sim


> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>wrote:
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>>  Ok. Following on from the improvisation/composition debate. How about
>> some recommendations for inspiring improvisatons?
>> I dislike jazz so there go quite a few options I guess but I would welcome
>> any pointers.
>>
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what about Supersilent?<br><br>everything they do is improvised<br><br>sim<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Gareth Whittock <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buddhamachine@live.co.uk" target="_blank">buddhamachine@live.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


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<div>
Ok. Following on from the improvisation/composition debate. How about some recommendations for inspiring improvisatons?<br>I dislike jazz so there go quite a few options I guess but I would welcome any pointers.<br><br></div>
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Rainer Straschill wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> if cheap and small are the main requirements, why not look at
> something like this:
> http://gamingmouse.com/weapon.php?pid=31
> 
> This gives you four buttons for $59 via USB, and those buttons can be
> mapped to keyboard commands (which in turn can trigger Mobius stuff).
> So you could use that for the "realtime critical" functions and switch
> between different mappings using scripts and keys on your keyboard (or
> buttons on the floor thing), like this:
> 
> Setup 1
> Record/Overdub, Mulitply, Mute, switch to setup 2
> 
> Setup 2
> Rate Shift Advance (which with the proper rate shift sequence will
> work as halfspeed), Reverse, Next Loop, switch to setup 1
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Hi loopers
And thanks for this link, Rainer; Fragpedal has arrived safely here in 
London after a couple of helpful e-mail exchanges (oh, & money too).
All I've got to do now is figure out some scripts......
Oh & how mobius works (since I'm not familiar with EDP).
JamMan (playing up), TimeMachine (now defunct), DL-8 (hmmm), & faithful 
Arion DDS-4 are my bunch of junk, plus a guitar & Sony GP5. Looks like I 
might be looking for a laptop soon....
Currently lurking on Zonemobius at Yahoo groups for pearls of wisdom!
Dave Draper

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Dave I think I have one coming to, a Fragpedal, as a birthday present if not
I'll order one but keep your thoughts posted as you use it, I'm interested
to know.  Hoping it's going to answer my Mobius needs as well.  Best with
the laptop quest and the experience.  Jim

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Dave Draper <dh.draper@virgin.net> wrote:

> Rainer Straschill wrote:
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>>  Jim,
>>
>> if cheap and small are the main requirements, why not look at
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>> http://gamingmouse.com/weapon.php?pid=31
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Just thought I'd mention the Liquid Foot Pro Jr. in case people  
weren't aware of its existence.

http://www.liquid-foot.com/products.shtml

Jeff

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I can't count past 8,  did I mention that handicap???? Doh

 

  _____  

From: warrensirota@gmail.com [mailto:warrensirota@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Warren Sirota
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:59 AM
To: billwalker@baymoon.com
Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation- the fatal moment of playback

 

 

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:17 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
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That being said I'm as happy and inspired as I have ever been making music,
and looking forward to Y2K8.  The journey is the destination. 

Bill

Uh, Bill, you better turn around. I think you're facing backwards.


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Louigi Verona schrieb:
> With the internet it is virtually impossible to control that at all.
> So I think that artists should stop chasing people who use their work
> without permission - they should change their business models and
> stop focusing on selling copies of their work.

This is a contradiction in a way, if you chase people you are 
controlling it. There even exist business models which would want you to 
find the work and abuse it and they send their bots around the web for 
chasing them, a sort of modern web spider carnivore...

> Also, and I've always believed it to be an interesting point - why
> would you get money for work done once? You record music - yes, that
> was hard work. You get some money - either from a person who
> contracted you to do the recording or from shows to which people came
> after listening to your records.

In a lot of cases I made music with a lot of work and didn't gain any
money at all. At that point I clearly say, before anybody else gains 
money I want at least a share of it. That is why I publish with a NC 
license...

> Guys, I may be wrong on this. I do not consider my views to be
> written in stone. I am constantly evaluating my views, thinking them
> over. But as fas as I can see it now, today, an artist should not be
> a person who elevates above the rest of the public, demanding
> everyone to run to them and ask permission. What if he denies? Many
> good works may cease to exist.

Read Lawrence Lessings book, its his opinion, but the artists still 
should be free to decide to which opinion they belong and live...

Stefan

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I can't get that site to load, but I found this:

http://gear.u2tutorials.com/2009/06/17/liquid-foot-junior-midi-controller-by-mick/


On Sep 2, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote:

> Just thought I'd mention the Liquid Foot Pro Jr. in case people  
> weren't aware of its existence.
>
> http://www.liquid-foot.com/products.shtml
>
> Jeff
>



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Thinking Fellers Union: Not sure how much is improvised, but I would
guess a good amount.

On 9/2/09, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: what
about Supersilent? everything they do is improvised

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...Nels Cline's personal work and ensembles are chock full of cutting
>edge improv.  He has a sorta lo-fi blended with high-tech vibe that's
>truly unique.  I'm particularly liking his recent release "Coward".
>Like Rypdal, Nels has a huge catalog and one has to work through it to
>understand the enormous scope of his work. Through it all, Nels sounds
>unique . . . a true original.
>Miko Biffle



going to see him tonite here in the city:
http://www.cafedunord.com/?temp=calendar

dont know what he is using for a loop pedal these days-i know he was a long time EH 16sec DDL (ab)user

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So, why are these things all so expensive? I know. I know. Small market.

What I really want is something in roughly the form factor of the  
Line6 M13 with something like the Looperlative built in.

Short of that, I'm looking for a controller in that form factor and  
the Looperlative will get to live in the then necessary rack. But the  
controller choices seem to be either outrageously pricey or severely  
crippled (Ground Control Pro, I'm looking at you).

Mark

On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote:

> Just thought I'd mention the Liquid Foot Pro Jr. in case people  
> weren't aware of its existence.
>
> http://www.liquid-foot.com/products.shtml
>
> Jeff
>
>

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Why oh why was the Digitech PMC-10 so damned buggy. It was (IS) the
total shit, when it came to robust capabilities and cool features. I
still have 1 sitting in mothballs. Sigh . . . I'm getting the feeling
the Gordius stuff is my only hope.  -m

On 9/2/09, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
> So, why are these things all so expensive? I know. I know. Small market.
>
>  What I really want is something in roughly the form factor of the Line6 M13
> with something like the Looperlative built in.
>
>  Short of that, I'm looking for a controller in that form factor and the
> Looperlative will get to live in the then necessary rack. But the controller
> choices seem to be either outrageously pricey or severely crippled (Ground
> Control Pro, I'm looking at you).
>
>  Mark

-- 
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Hello LD!  I've been off the list for some time now - pushing the buttons
and diving deeper and deeper into the EDP.

But, my FC-7 has been funny since the day I got it new in the mail.  So now
it's time to replace the buttons on the FC-7.  I'm a big guy so, being weary
of those little plastic red jobbies - I went for the sturdy looking metal
ones from British Audio Service.

Of course I trashed some of the reistors gutting the foot controller and
need to replace them ( I wanted to anyways - something was not right w/ the
overdub pedal and was it was occasionally to close to the 'edit parameter'
~20K ??).

Anyways, long story short, I called a supply place today to oder these
(cause radio shack is not cuttin' the mustard) and the tech on the phone
immediately asked "What's the wattage? 1Watt ? 1/2 Watt?"

Now I apologize if this information has been repeated elsewhere but, I
really have dug around.......can anyone tell me the appropriate wattage for
the 1% metal film resistors?

Super Big Tx,
Andy G.
Raleigh, NC-USA

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Hello LD!=A0 I&#39;ve been off the list for some time now - pushing the but=
tons and diving deeper and deeper into the EDP.<br><br>But, my FC-7 has bee=
n funny since the day I got it new in the mail.=A0 So now it&#39;s time to =
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I don't know what they were but I can't imagine them being larger than 1/2 watt.  1 Watt resistors usually look like a rectangular box.

t


From: Loaf citious 
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  Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:10 PM
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  Hello LD!  I've been off the list for some time now - pushing the buttons and diving deeper and deeper into the EDP.

  But, my FC-7 has been funny since the day I got it new in the mail.  So now it's time to replace the buttons on the FC-7.  I'm a big guy so, being weary of those little plastic red jobbies - I went for the sturdy looking metal ones from British Audio Service.

  Of course I trashed some of the reistors gutting the foot controller and need to replace them ( I wanted to anyways - something was not right w/ the overdub pedal and was it was occasionally to close to the 'edit parameter' ~20K ??).

  Anyways, long story short, I called a supply place today to oder these (cause radio shack is not cuttin' the mustard) and the tech on the phone immediately asked "What's the wattage? 1Watt ? 1/2 Watt?"

  Now I apologize if this information has been repeated elsewhere but, I really have dug around.......can anyone tell me the appropriate wattage for the 1% metal film resistors?

  Super Big Tx,
  Andy G.
  Raleigh, NC-USA

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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I don't know what they were but I can't imagine 
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box.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>t</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=loafcitious@gmail.com 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> FC-7 resistor wattage?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Hello LD!&nbsp; I've been off the list for some time now - 
  pushing the buttons and diving deeper and deeper into the EDP.<BR><BR>But, my 
  FC-7 has been funny since the day I got it new in the mail.&nbsp; So now it's 
  time to replace the buttons on the FC-7.&nbsp; I'm a big guy so, being weary 
  of those little plastic red jobbies - I went for the sturdy looking metal ones 
  from British Audio Service.<BR><BR>Of course I trashed some of the reistors 
  gutting the foot controller and need to replace them ( I wanted to anyways - 
  something was not right w/ the overdub pedal and was it was occasionally to 
  close to the 'edit parameter' ~20K ??).<BR><BR>Anyways, long story short, I 
  called a supply place today to oder these (cause radio shack is not cuttin' 
  the mustard) and the tech on the phone immediately asked "What's the wattage? 
  1Watt ? 1/2 Watt?"<BR><BR>Now I apologize if this information has been 
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  Tx,<BR>Andy G.<BR>Raleigh, NC-USA<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Jeff Shirkey wrote:
> Just thought I'd mention the Liquid Foot Pro Jr. in case people weren't 
> aware of its existence.
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> http://www.liquid-foot.com/products.shtml
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Well that's a new one on me too; there's also something called a midi 
mouse; v. small & limited, but not cheap (surprise!).
What I like about the fragpedal is that it's NOT midi!! (Guitarist, see?)
Lots of midi controllers out there, mostly big & unwieldy, & however 
versatile, too much to carry. I had eighteen months without a car 
recently (I dunno, just couldn't be bothered with one!) and it ain't 
easy - amp, rack flightcase, guitar, bus....
Dave

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Hey Stefan!

"In a lot of cases I made music with a lot of work and didn't gain any money
at all. At that point I clearly say, before anybody else gains money I want
at least a share of it. That is why I publish with a NC license..."

This sounds reasonable, but in real life turns out to be a disaster. In
order to control what everybody does with your music, you would require
draconian measures and you will have to literally spy on every person in the
world in order to actually see it through. Also, what if 10000 people use
it? Is it necessary to receive so much money for one piece of music?
Clearly, this business model is flawed and seems reasonable only at the
first glance.

But I think that the deeper argument would be this. You say "In a lot of
cases I made music with a lot of work and didn't gain any money at all". But
who said that making good music should result in gaining money? People do
lots of good things and do not gain money. In fact, people who do gain money
in many cases fail to deliver an inspired piece of music.

"but the artists still should be free to decide to which opinion they belong
and live..."

A person can decide for himself when it concerns only him. The question of
information control, however, concerns the whole society and in fact it
would influence the society more than the artist, since society would have
to abide by the license and the artist would only wait for the bonuses.
By trying to control the flow of information, one unwillingly would control
much more than that - personal freedom. That's the nature of information. So
licenses are a matter of freedom - everybody's freedom.

This is my view on the subject.

Louigi.

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Hey Stefan!<br><br>&quot;In a lot of cases I made music with a lot of work =
and didn&#39;t gain any money at all. At that point I clearly say, before a=
nybody else gains
money I want at least a share of it. That is why I publish with a NC
license...&quot;<br><br>This sounds reasonable, but in real life turns out =
to be a disaster. In order to control what everybody does with your music, =
you would require draconian measures and you will have to literally spy on =
every person in the world in order to actually see it through. Also, what i=
f 10000 people use it? Is it necessary to receive so much money for one pie=
ce of music? Clearly, this business model is flawed and seems reasonable on=
ly at the first glance.<br>
<br>But I think that the deeper argument would be this. You say &quot;In a =
lot of cases I made music with a lot of work and didn&#39;t gain any money =
at all&quot;. But who said that making good music should result in gaining =
money? People do lots of good things and do not gain money. In fact, people=
 who do gain money in many cases fail to deliver an inspired piece of music=
.<br>
<br>&quot;but the artists still
should be free to decide to which opinion they belong and live...&quot;<br>=
<br>A person can decide for himself when it concerns only him. The question=
 of information control, however, concerns the whole society and in fact it=
 would influence the society more than the artist, since society would have=
 to abide by the license and the artist would only wait for the bonuses.<br=
>
By trying to control the flow of information, one unwillingly would
control much more than that - personal freedom. That&#39;s the nature of
information. So licenses are a matter of freedom - everybody&#39;s freedom.=
<br><br>This is my view on the subject.<br><br>Louigi.<br>

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> On 9/2/09, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: what
> about Supersilent? everything they do is improvised

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Miko Biffle<biffoz@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thinking Fellers Union: Not sure how much is improvised, but I would
> guess a good amount.
>

I have some Super Silent here and would guess the most of it is improvised.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Raul Bonell<raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-against-improvisation-688630.html

A very interesting quote! Thanks for notifying us, Raul! :-)

However, I think it lacks the dimension we were recently discussing
here; how to improvise new stuff without becoming "a cover band of
yourself". The answer to that question is IMHO of course Structures.
Not structures in music but structures for how to stay creative during
improvisation. In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage
methods ;-)

The thesis "Improvisation is generally playing what you know and what
you like and what you feel" is a quite personal definition that I
don't agree with. The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good
strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in
order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical
instinct when confronting the un-known.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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whatever the lowest wattage is, that will do


If you're really good at destroying resistors (as you imply) 
then it wouldn't hurt to go for higher wattage,
they'll be more forgiving of bad treatment with the soldering iron.

andy

Loaf citious wrote:
> Hello LD!  I've been off the list for some time now - pushing the 
> buttons and diving deeper and deeper into the EDP.
> 
> But, my FC-7 has been funny since the day I got it new in the mail.  So 
> now it's time to replace the buttons on the FC-7.  I'm a big guy so, 
> being weary of those little plastic red jobbies - I went for the sturdy 
> looking metal ones from British Audio Service.
> 
> Of course I trashed some of the reistors gutting the foot controller and 
> need to replace them ( I wanted to anyways - something was not right w/ 
> the overdub pedal and was it was occasionally to close to the 'edit 
> parameter' ~20K ??).
> 
> Anyways, long story short, I called a supply place today to oder these 
> (cause radio shack is not cuttin' the mustard) and the tech on the phone 
> immediately asked "What's the wattage? 1Watt ? 1/2 Watt?"
> 
> Now I apologize if this information has been repeated elsewhere but, I 
> really have dug around.......can anyone tell me the appropriate wattage 
> for the 1% metal film resistors?
> 
> Super Big Tx,
> Andy G.
> Raleigh, NC-USA

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I really like my Gordius Little giant, I've gotten used to the proximity of
the upper tier switches to the lower tier,   I was surprised to see
Rocktron's All access flagship model list for over $1000, though it has many
switches. I'm curious, Mark H,  what flaws you find in the Ground Control
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yeah, why not? seems like an interesting niche product to me.
I guess it's less targeted at looping community but probably more targeted with the recent TC Electronics pedals in mind.

http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=ve-20

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On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Raul Bonell<raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-against-improvisation-688630.html
>
>
>
> The thesis "Improvisation is generally playing what you know and what
> you like and what you feel" is a quite personal definition that I
> don't agree with. The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good
> strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in
> order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical
> instinct when confronting the un-known.
>
>
I like that, Per. I used to set up musicians in a circle where each one
modulated the pitch of what the next one was playing via the midi output
from his/her own instrument - that way no-one even had deterministic control
over their own sound. The whole purpose was to force a complete break in
habits.



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<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Per Boysen <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"bo=
rder-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding=
-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Raul Bonell&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-agai=
nst-improvisation-688630.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/200=
1/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-against-improvisation-688630.html</a><br>
<br>
</div><br>
<br>
The thesis &quot;Improvisation is generally playing what you know and what<=
br>
you like and what you feel&quot; is a quite personal definition that I<br>
don&#39;t agree with. The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good<br>
strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in<br>
order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical<br>
instinct when confronting the un-known.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>I like that, Per. =
I used to set up musicians in a circle where each one modulated the pitch o=
f what the next one was playing via the midi output from his/her own instru=
ment - that way no-one even had deterministic control over their own sound.=
 The whole purpose was to force a complete break in habits. <br>
</div></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><a href=3D"http://ww=
w.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679">http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?=
_ArtistId=3D6679</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.warrensirota.com">http://www.=
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On 9/2/09, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@gmail.com> wrote:
> This sounds reasonable, but in real life turns out to be a disaster.

This is just your point of view, your experience, your expectations.
Not reality.

Thousands of art workers around the world disagree with you. If you
think they will just sit back and wait until every internet company
has a few more million dollars in their accounts, you are mistaken.
People have given their lifes for the right to work, people have
fought for the right to have a future, long before the internet.

Do you want to hear about real disasters? Check out how many people
lost their jobs in the last five years because of piracy. Those are
real people, not forum avatars. They have real families. Real dreams.
Yes, that is the truth: people lose their job when a studio has to
close down, when a band can't afford to tour anymore, when a record
label can't even pay the rent.

99% of the music industry is hard working people, small studios, indie
bands, small labels. Those are who are taking 100% of the risk, 100%
of the damage. Not the superstars.

> In
> order to control what everybody does with your music, you would require
> draconian measures and you will have to literally spy on every person in the
> world in order to actually see it through.

You don't understand how the law works, no one is spying on anyone. If
you use a sample from a movie and you release the album without a
license, the director is not going to spy on you. He has better things
to do, like make original films, for example. But you are liable for
damages from the first day of release. Do you want to risk a lawsuit
that will force you to pay money for all the years that the album was
available? Do you want to spend the rest of your life waiting for a
publisher somewhere to notice your music playing on the radio? Do you
want to risk your unlicensed material being tracked from the automatic
log systems of the royalties societies?

> Also, what if 10000 people use
> it?

If 10,000 use a sample without a license, then 10,000 lawyers are
going to make some extra money sooner or later. It is not about if you
are going to get caught, it is about when you are going to get caught.

>Is it necessary to receive so much money for one piece of music?

How can you possibly know how much money an artist has invested in his
profession?

> Clearly, this business model is flawed and seems reasonable only at the
> first glance.

The only business model that is flawed is the model of stealing the
indie artists to build internet corporations.

> But
> who said that making good music should result in gaining money?

Good music is used by many industries and companies to make money. Why
shouldn't the artist earn a fair share?

I have never heard a music supervisor/director say "hey, have you
heard any bad music lately? I have to find some really awful tracks
for a new documentary".

> People do
> lots of good things and do not gain money.

Do they do those good things for 8 hours every day, 360 days a year?

> In fact, people who do gain money
> in many cases fail to deliver an inspired piece of music.

Most artists who make a living from their art are delivering inspired
pieces of music, otherwise they would not make money at all.

Your assumption presents the music listeners as stupid consumers, as a
whole, worldwide.

> A person can decide for himself when it concerns only him. The question of
> information control, however, concerns the whole society and in fact it
> would influence the society more than the artist, since society would have
> to abide by the license and the artist would only wait for the bonuses.
> By trying to control the flow of information, one unwillingly would control
> much more than that - personal freedom. That's the nature of information. So
> licenses are a matter of freedom - everybody's freedom.
>
> This is my view on the subject.
>
> Louigi.

Music is an art, it is not information. The only information related
to music that exists is album notes, press releases, bios and
interviews. All this information is free for the public and no one is
interested in controlling its flow.

Calling music as information is the favorite game of the various
internet companies. Of course they want to present music as
information, how else are they going to sell bigger hard drives,
easily exploited social networks and traffic statistics to their
customers?

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oops! i didn't nocticed the article was written by cage specialist, pianist
margaret len tang.


2009/9/2 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Raul Bonell<raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-against-improvisation-688630.html
>
> A very interesting quote! Thanks for notifying us, Raul! :-)
>
> However, I think it lacks the dimension we were recently discussing
> here; how to improvise new stuff without becoming "a cover band of
> yourself". The answer to that question is IMHO of course Structures.
> Not structures in music but structures for how to stay creative during
> improvisation. In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage
> methods ;-)
>

i supose "strategies" would replace structures here, nicely.


The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good

> strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in
> order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical
> instinct when confronting the un-known.
>

i hope that musical instinct exists per se.
this would prove that music is an essential part of life.

can i have permission to use this wonderful quote, per.


> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>


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oops! i didn&#39;t nocticed the article was written by cage specialist, pia=
nist margaret len tang.<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/2 Per =
Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboys=
en@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"im"=
>On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Raul Bonell&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bon=
ell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-agai=
nst-improvisation-688630.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/200=
1/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-against-improvisation-688630.html</a><br>
<br>
</div>A very interesting quote! Thanks for notifying us, Raul! :-)<br>
<br>
However, I think it lacks the dimension we were recently discussing<br>
here; how to improvise new stuff without becoming &quot;a cover band of<br>
yourself&quot;. The answer to that question is IMHO of course Structures.<b=
r>
Not structures in music but structures for how to stay creative during<br>
improvisation. In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage<br>
methods ;-)<br></blockquote><div><br>i supose &quot;strategies&quot; would =
replace structures here, nicely.<br><br><br>The heart of improvisation, IMH=
O, is to have good<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"bord=
er-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-l=
eft: 1ex;">

strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in<br>
order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical<br>
instinct when confronting the un-known.<br></blockquote><div><br>i hope tha=
t musical instinct exists per se. <br>this would prove that music is an ess=
ential part of life.<br><br>can i have permission to use this wonderful quo=
te, per. <br>
</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:=
 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex=
;">
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at B=
logger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogsp=
ot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.co=
m">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
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I'd go as far as to say that improvisation is specifically NOT about what y=
ou know=2Clike and feel.=20
I don't think Margaret Leng Tan gets it..

G

>=20
> However=2C I think it lacks the dimension we were recently discussing
> here=3B how to improvise new stuff without becoming "a cover band of
> yourself". The answer to that question is IMHO of course Structures.
> Not structures in music but structures for how to stay creative during
> improvisation. In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage
> methods =3B-)
>=20
> The thesis "Improvisation is generally playing what you know and what
> you like and what you feel" is a quite personal definition that I
> don't agree with. The heart of improvisation=2C IMHO=2C is to have good
> strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in
> order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical
> instinct when confronting the un-known.
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
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2009/9/3 Gareth Whittock <buddhamachin
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>
>
> Sorry, I meant I don't think John Cage gets it... Neither do I get John
> Cage...
>
>
ha,ha,ha  .... i see a documentary where cage, talking to t.duchamp said the
same about m.duchamp's work.


>
> I'd go as far as to say that improvisation is specifically NOT about what
> you know,like and feel.
> I don't think Margaret Leng Tan gets it..
>
> G
>
> >
> > However, I think it lacks the dimension we were recently discussing
> > here; how to improvise new stuff without becoming "a cover band of
> > yourself". The answer to that question is IMHO of course Structures.
> > Not structures in music but structures for how to stay creative during
> > improvisation. In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage
> > methods ;-)
> >
> > The thesis "Improvisation is generally playing what you know and what
> > you like and what you feel" is a quite personal definition that I
> > don't agree with. The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good
> > strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in
> > order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical
> > instinct when confronting the un-known.
> >
> > Greetings from Sweden
> >
> > Per Boysen
> > www.boysen.se
> > www.perboysen.com
> >
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/3 Gareth Whittock <span dir=3D"lt=
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<br><br>Sorry, I meant I don&#39;t think John Cage gets it... Neither do I =
get John Cage...<br><font color=3D"#888888"><br></font></div></blockquote><=
div><br>ha,ha,ha=A0 .... i see a documentary where cage, talking to t.ducha=
mp said the same about m.duchamp&#39;s work.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid =
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nt color=3D"#888888"></font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>I&#39;d g=
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ow,like and feel. <br>
I don&#39;t think Margaret Leng Tan gets it..<br><br>G<br><br>&gt; <br>&gt;=
 However, I think it lacks the dimension we were recently discussing<br>&gt=
; here; how to improvise new stuff without becoming &quot;a cover band of<b=
r>
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es.<br>&gt; Not structures in music but structures for how to stay creative=
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 John Cage<br>
&gt; methods ;-)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; The thesis &quot;Improvisation is general=
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&gt; strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in=
<br>&gt; order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musica=
l<br>&gt; instinct when confronting the un-known.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Greeting=
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William Walker wrote:
> *I really like my Gordius Little giant, I’ve gotten used to the 
> proximity of the upper tier switches to the lower tier,   

how'd ya do that Bill?

I find that any time I need to hold down a button in the top row 
I tend to hit the bottom row.
It's something that's a real problem at gigs.
(not a problem with fcb1010, where the buttons lend enough support
 to rest the toe without pressing).

I couldn't find any way to make it possible to use the top row
with my heel on the floor, which would make controlled presses
easy.

..of course, when it's not a gig the feet can do it perfectly 




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Louigi Verona schrieb:
> So it does not mean that artists shouldn't be payed - they should. But 
> there is no need to give them a fortune at
> the expense of everybody's freedom. Providing them a living is quite 
> enough - and that does not require to pay or
> even ask permission each time one of the 5 billion people of our planet 
> decides to use a piece of their work.

If you are in a situation as artist where you hardly or not at all make 
a living, and someone else is making a fortune with your music this 
doesn't sound like a viable solution...

In your statement your assumption is that an artist is making a fortune. 
which is only true for a infinite small amount of artists. Unfortunately 
the associations which are in charge of protecting the rights of artists 
almost solely protect those which make a fortune, its all about money 
its nothing about art and their creators...

> I would say that as a decision one should credit the author if possible 
> - if the work is commercial you should credit the
> author if you know who the author is. That would provide him with enough 
> attention and that attention would be quite enough, I believe.

As artist I can decide to do so (see creative commons) but this is up to 
the artist.
I could imagine to legally free art from its protection according to its 
public success and visibility. There are pieces of music which become an 
integral part of a culture like the "happy birthday" song (not free 
yet). The obligation to ask and pay for such a thing is absurd, 
especially as its popularity is not related to its internal quality.

But I have no idea at all how to establish something like that. I'd also 
shorten the time the copyright is valid radically. And I would give the 
owners of inherited rights much less control over the whole process than 
the original creators. Within the Gema, the original composers are a 
minority, as the publishers and those who speak for already dead 
composers have more votes by design...

Stefan

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tEd ® KiLLiAn schrieb:
> I think, sink or swim, it is better to trust in the benevolence of one's 
> muse(s) to guide when one comes to the end of one's musical rope.
> 
> Letting go of the rope is what faith is all about (a concept that I 
> think can be understood by both religious and non-religious types).

Love that picture...
Faith though needs experience, letting go of the rope as often as you 
can, you won't sink, thats my experience, in the end faith turns into 
knowledge. (And you learn to swim and you let the rope go way before the 
end...)

Stefan

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Gareth Whittock schrieb:
> 
> I hate playing without a structure - unless there isn't an audience. I'm 
> getting into recording my private jams of late and whilst there often 
> are "good bits" in there, I would not be comfortable imposing that 
> amount of essentially barren noodling on an audience. I prefer to 
> condense my work for live performance, with some scope for 
> improvisation. This may just be because I am not a natural improviser. 
> It's more composition for me.

Don't mix up noodling on a recording with noodling in front of an 
audience. If its live, the audience appreciates it, even if its just 
noodling, because they are part of a process. And there is a chance that 
you get inspired and put up some magic moments. Noodling on a record is 
just boring because its missing that "being part of a process" which is 
the most important one in the concert situation...

Composing is much harder, you compete with Beethoven...;-)

Compare listening to Greatful Dead on a bootleg (replace with your 
favorite noodles), and being there at the event...

Stefan

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Per
>  > The thesis "Improvisation is generally playing what you know and what
>  > you like and what you feel" is a quite personal definition that I
>  > don't agree with. 


accurately(if that's meant to refer to the Cage quote)
"Improvisation is generally playing what you know and what you like and what you feel;"...Cage

to me, that looks like an observation, rather than a definition.


Actually, isn't it true that most improvisation is done within
a tradition?

some non-jazz improvisation:-
Indian Ragas
Persian Dastgah
Organ music( a strong tradition of improv upon a given theme).
Korean Sanjo ( although recently tends to be non-improv).
Javanese Gamelan( not composition, but structure)
Albanian Kaba
Turkish Clarinet music( which I think Gareth will like...probably)

and no-one mentioned King Crimson yet?too obvious i guess 
 



andy butler

...by the way, David Toop is the absolute paragon of all that was ever bad about music journalism.
...um...imo

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On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Raul Bonell<raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good
>>
>> strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in
>> order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical
>> instinct when confronting the un-known.
>
> i hope that musical instinct exists per se.
> this would prove that music is an essential part of life.
>
> can i have permission to use this wonderful quote, per.


Certainly! But that's not something I have mocked up; It's the essence
of zen (applied to musical improvisation).

I guess that without "musical instincts" we wouldn't be able to learn
languages, walk... or hardly interact with anything in the world.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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> what flaws you find in the Ground Control Pro?
> It seems pretty full featured and very well built.



The problem I have with the GCP is that it has a limited number of
momentary switches (send note/cc when pressed and another when
released).  It does not have "banks" of momentary switches like the
FCB or AllAccess.



Switches are configured in two groups, either "instant access" which
are momentary and send CCs when pressed and released, or non-momentary
that send one or more program changes.



You can configure either 0, 4, or 8 switches for instant access and
the rest send program changes.  There are bank up/down switches but
these only affect the program change switches, instant access switches
can only send one thing regardless of which bank is selected.  This is
the main difference between the GCP and the AllAccess, with the AA you
can have banks of momentary switches.  And for this you pay another $500.



It appears to be designed for guitar rigs where the program change
banks select patches and the instant access switches turn individual
effects on and off (they can also be configured as toggle switches).
Since no one would *ever* have more than 8 effects to turn on and
off I guess they thought these didn't need banks.



For controlling an EDP-ish looper though this is a major flaw because
there are way more than 8 functions that could use momentary switches.



Jeff

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&gt; what flaws you find in the Ground Control Pro? <br>
&gt; It seems pretty full featured and very well built.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The problem I have with the GCP is that it has a limited number of<br>
momentary switches (send note/cc when pressed and another when<br>
released).&nbsp; It does not have &quot;banks&quot; of momentary switches l=
ike the<br>
FCB or AllAccess.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Switches are configured in two groups, either &quot;instant access&quot;=
 which<br>
are momentary and send CCs when pressed and released, or non-momentary<br>
that send one or more program changes.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>You can configure either 0, 4, or 8 switches for instant access and<br>
the rest send program changes.&nbsp; There are bank up/down switches but<br=
>
these only affect the program change switches, instant access switches<br>
can only send one thing regardless of which bank is selected.&nbsp; This is=
<br>
the main difference between the GCP and the AllAccess, with the AA you<br>
can have banks of momentary switches.&nbsp; And for this you pay another $5=
00.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>It appears to be designed for guitar rigs where the program change<br>
banks select patches and the instant access switches turn individual<br>
effects on and off (they can also be configured as toggle switches).<br>
Since no one would *ever* have more than 8 effects to turn on and<br>
off I guess they thought these didn't need banks.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>For controlling an EDP-ish looper though this is a major flaw because <b=
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Well, actually my implication was that
the EDP I got on the last blow out from
musicians friend was a rush job (imho) and I wanted to
start from scratch as far as the resistors go;  worked
great 89% of the time but, made me mad the very
first day - right out of the box - edit mode via record.

So, are saying that it does not really matter?
Which one is better for accuracy?
Thanks for you input!

""Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:03:03 +0100
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whatever the lowest wattage is, that will do


If you're really good at destroying resistors (as you imply)
then it wouldn't hurt to go for higher wattage,
they'll be more forgiving of bad treatment with the soldering iron.

andy""

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Well, actually my implication was that <br> the EDP I got on the last blow =
out from <br>musicians friend was a rush job (imho) and I wanted to <br>sta=
rt from scratch as far as the resistors go;=A0 worked<br>great 89% of the t=
ime but, made me mad the very <br>

first day - right out of the box - edit mode via record.<br><br>So, are say=
ing that it does not really matter?<br>Which one is better for accuracy?<br=
>Thanks for you input!<br><br>&quot;&quot;Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:03:03 +=
0100<br>


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whatever the lowest wattage is, that will do<br>
<br>
<br>
If you&#39;re really good at destroying resistors (as you imply)<br>
then it wouldn&#39;t hurt to go for higher wattage,<br>
they&#39;ll be more forgiving of bad treatment with the soldering iron.<br>
<br>
andy&quot;&quot;

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I figured someone would address Louigi's remarks a little more strongly, 
so I though I'd make an attempt.

I'm really glad to see Milo's post because it is a well reasoned 
rebuttal to some serious flaws I see in the position Louigi takes.  I am 
disturbed that there are people that truly feel that they are entitled 
to use someone else's art for commercial gain without compensating it's 
author.  It is IMO a colossal rationalization for theft of intellectual 
property.

I had never seen the tenets of this view laid out before - that art is 
information, and that because society benefits even from art that 
'builds on' the work of others, it should not be subject to the most 
basic rules of commerce.

The digital age has made the theft of intellectual property ridiculously 
easy.  Behemoths like Microsoft, Sony, et al and the government that 
support their business models are desperately trying to shore up their 
leaking revenue streams.  But I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone 
suggest that an author is not somehow entitled to control the sale of 
works they produce, or more specifically, to give away their work while 
reserving certain rights.

Many musicians have recognized that the traditional music business model 
doesn't work for them. So they're experimenting with making downloadable 
versions of  their music available for free.  This might even mean that 
the work is free for use by others in their own commercial ventures.  
But I'm not sure that I've ever seen someone suggest that the author 
shouldn't be able to give away their work with certain restrictions on 
its use - restrictions that may be clearly stated and acknowledged when 
the consumer downloads it, in an easily implemented Creative Commons 
license.

Anyway, perhaps it just reflects a cultural shift away from the view I 
grew up with: that art and music have integral value; that they're 
important somehow.  I think artists are the eyes and even the conscience 
of a society, and have the same right to restrict the use of their 
art/work as any entrepreneur.  They just may not be able to enforce 
those rights in a society that condones theft and exploitation. 

Dan Ash
White Plains, NY



> Subject:
> Re: Samples and looping
> From:
> Milo <milo.vuc@gmail.com>
> Date:
> Thu, 3 Sep 2009 03:06:37 +0300
>
> To:
> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
> On 9/2/09, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> > This sounds reasonable, but in real life turns out to be a disaster.
>>     
>
> This is just your point of view, your experience, your expectations.
> Not reality.
>
> Thousands of art workers around the world disagree with you. If you
> think they will just sit back and wait until every internet company
> has a few more million dollars in their accounts, you are mistaken.
> People have given their lifes for the right to work, people have
> fought for the right to have a future, long before the internet.
>
> Do you want to hear about real disasters? Check out how many people
> lost their jobs in the last five years because of piracy. Those are
> real people, not forum avatars. They have real families. Real dreams.
> Yes, that is the truth: people lose their job when a studio has to
> close down, when a band can't afford to tour anymore, when a record
> label can't even pay the rent.
>
> 99% of the music industry is hard working people, small studios, indie
> bands, small labels. Those are who are taking 100% of the risk, 100%
> of the damage. Not the superstars.
>
>   
>> > In
>> > order to control what everybody does with your music, you would require
>> > draconian measures and you will have to literally spy on every person in the
>> > world in order to actually see it through.
>>     
>
> You don't understand how the law works, no one is spying on anyone. If
> you use a sample from a movie and you release the album without a
> license, the director is not going to spy on you. He has better things
> to do, like make original films, for example. But you are liable for
> damages from the first day of release. Do you want to risk a lawsuit
> that will force you to pay money for all the years that the album was
> available? Do you want to spend the rest of your life waiting for a
> publisher somewhere to notice your music playing on the radio? Do you
> want to risk your unlicensed material being tracked from the automatic
> log systems of the royalties societies?
>
>   
>> > Also, what if 10000 people use
>> > it?
>>     
>
> If 10,000 use a sample without a license, then 10,000 lawyers are
> going to make some extra money sooner or later. It is not about if you
> are going to get caught, it is about when you are going to get caught.
>
>   
>> >Is it necessary to receive so much money for one piece of music?
>>     
>
> How can you possibly know how much money an artist has invested in his
> profession?
>
>   
>> > Clearly, this business model is flawed and seems reasonable only at the
>> > first glance.
>>     
>
> The only business model that is flawed is the model of stealing the
> indie artists to build internet corporations.
>
>   
>> > But
>> > who said that making good music should result in gaining money?
>>     
>
> Good music is used by many industries and companies to make money. Why
> shouldn't the artist earn a fair share?
>
> I have never heard a music supervisor/director say "hey, have you
> heard any bad music lately? I have to find some really awful tracks
> for a new documentary".
>
>   
>> > People do
>> > lots of good things and do not gain money.
>>     
>
> Do they do those good things for 8 hours every day, 360 days a year?
>
>   
>> > In fact, people who do gain money
>> > in many cases fail to deliver an inspired piece of music.
>>     
>
> Most artists who make a living from their art are delivering inspired
> pieces of music, otherwise they would not make money at all.
>
> Your assumption presents the music listeners as stupid consumers, as a
> whole, worldwide.
>
>   
>> > A person can decide for himself when it concerns only him. The question of
>> > information control, however, concerns the whole society and in fact it
>> > would influence the society more than the artist, since society would have
>> > to abide by the license and the artist would only wait for the bonuses.
>> > By trying to control the flow of information, one unwillingly would control
>> > much more than that - personal freedom. That's the nature of information. So
>> > licenses are a matter of freedom - everybody's freedom.
>> >
>> > This is my view on the subject.
>> >
>> > Louigi.
>>     
>
> Music is an art, it is not information. The only information related
> to music that exists is album notes, press releases, bios and
> interviews. All this information is free for the public and no one is
> interested in controlling its flow.
>
> Calling music as information is the favorite game of the various
> internet companies. Of course they want to present music as
> information, how else are they going to sell bigger hard drives,
> easily exploited social networks and traffic statistics to their
> customers?
>   

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I don't see it as theft. If I have a loaf of bread and someone takes it=2C =
I can no longer eat it - that's theft.
An idea arrives in the mind of the artist. It's a gift. Why should people a=
ttempt to begrudge others the opportunity to listen/see that idea? How mean=
 and egotistical is that?
Applying marketplace ideologies to art is a mistake in my opinion.=20
Everything should NOT have a price. It's an age old Socialist/individualist=
=2C Left wing/right wing=2C European/American dualogue.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that commercialism doesn't have it's pla=
ce but music and money mix like oil and water.

peace

g

> Date: Thu=2C 3 Sep 2009 12:04:32 -0400
> From: Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Samples and looping
>=20
> I figured someone would address Louigi's remarks a little more strongly=
=2C=20
> so I though I'd make an attempt.
>=20
> I'm really glad to see Milo's post because it is a well reasoned=20
> rebuttal to some serious flaws I see in the position Louigi takes.  I am=
=20
> disturbed that there are people that truly feel that they are entitled=20
> to use someone else's art for commercial gain without compensating it's=20
> author.  It is IMO a colossal rationalization for theft of intellectual=20
> property.
>=20
> I had never seen the tenets of this view laid out before - that art is=20
> information=2C and that because society benefits even from art that=20
> 'builds on' the work of others=2C it should not be subject to the most=20
> basic rules of commerce.
>=20
> The digital age has made the theft of intellectual property ridiculously=
=20
> easy.  Behemoths like Microsoft=2C Sony=2C et al and the government that=
=20
> support their business models are desperately trying to shore up their=20
> leaking revenue streams.  But I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone=20
> suggest that an author is not somehow entitled to control the sale of=20
> works they produce=2C or more specifically=2C to give away their work whi=
le=20
> reserving certain rights.
>=20
> Many musicians have recognized that the traditional music business model=
=20
> doesn't work for them. So they're experimenting with making downloadable=
=20
> versions of  their music available for free.  This might even mean that=20
> the work is free for use by others in their own commercial ventures. =20
> But I'm not sure that I've ever seen someone suggest that the author=20
> shouldn't be able to give away their work with certain restrictions on=20
> its use - restrictions that may be clearly stated and acknowledged when=20
> the consumer downloads it=2C in an easily implemented Creative Commons=20
> license.
>=20
> Anyway=2C perhaps it just reflects a cultural shift away from the view I=
=20
> grew up with: that art and music have integral value=3B that they're=20
> important somehow.  I think artists are the eyes and even the conscience=
=20
> of a society=2C and have the same right to restrict the use of their=20
> art/work as any entrepreneur.  They just may not be able to enforce=20
> those rights in a society that condones theft and exploitation.=20
>=20
> Dan Ash
> White Plains=2C NY
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > Subject:
> > Re: Samples and looping
> > From:
> > Milo <milo.vuc@gmail.com>
> > Date:
> > Thu=2C 3 Sep 2009 03:06:37 +0300
> >
> > To:
> > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >
> >
> > On 9/2/09=2C Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  =20
> >> > This sounds reasonable=2C but in real life turns out to be a disaste=
r.
> >>    =20
> >
> > This is just your point of view=2C your experience=2C your expectations=
.
> > Not reality.
> >
> > Thousands of art workers around the world disagree with you. If you
> > think they will just sit back and wait until every internet company
> > has a few more million dollars in their accounts=2C you are mistaken.
> > People have given their lifes for the right to work=2C people have
> > fought for the right to have a future=2C long before the internet.
> >
> > Do you want to hear about real disasters? Check out how many people
> > lost their jobs in the last five years because of piracy. Those are
> > real people=2C not forum avatars. They have real families. Real dreams.
> > Yes=2C that is the truth: people lose their job when a studio has to
> > close down=2C when a band can't afford to tour anymore=2C when a record
> > label can't even pay the rent.
> >
> > 99% of the music industry is hard working people=2C small studios=2C in=
die
> > bands=2C small labels. Those are who are taking 100% of the risk=2C 100=
%
> > of the damage. Not the superstars.
> >
> >  =20
> >> > In
> >> > order to control what everybody does with your music=2C you would re=
quire
> >> > draconian measures and you will have to literally spy on every perso=
n in the
> >> > world in order to actually see it through.
> >>    =20
> >
> > You don't understand how the law works=2C no one is spying on anyone. I=
f
> > you use a sample from a movie and you release the album without a
> > license=2C the director is not going to spy on you. He has better thing=
s
> > to do=2C like make original films=2C for example. But you are liable fo=
r
> > damages from the first day of release. Do you want to risk a lawsuit
> > that will force you to pay money for all the years that the album was
> > available? Do you want to spend the rest of your life waiting for a
> > publisher somewhere to notice your music playing on the radio? Do you
> > want to risk your unlicensed material being tracked from the automatic
> > log systems of the royalties societies?
> >
> >  =20
> >> > Also=2C what if 10000 people use
> >> > it?
> >>    =20
> >
> > If 10=2C000 use a sample without a license=2C then 10=2C000 lawyers are
> > going to make some extra money sooner or later. It is not about if you
> > are going to get caught=2C it is about when you are going to get caught=
.
> >
> >  =20
> >> >Is it necessary to receive so much money for one piece of music?
> >>    =20
> >
> > How can you possibly know how much money an artist has invested in his
> > profession?
> >
> >  =20
> >> > Clearly=2C this business model is flawed and seems reasonable only a=
t the
> >> > first glance.
> >>    =20
> >
> > The only business model that is flawed is the model of stealing the
> > indie artists to build internet corporations.
> >
> >  =20
> >> > But
> >> > who said that making good music should result in gaining money?
> >>    =20
> >
> > Good music is used by many industries and companies to make money. Why
> > shouldn't the artist earn a fair share?
> >
> > I have never heard a music supervisor/director say "hey=2C have you
> > heard any bad music lately? I have to find some really awful tracks
> > for a new documentary".
> >
> >  =20
> >> > People do
> >> > lots of good things and do not gain money.
> >>    =20
> >
> > Do they do those good things for 8 hours every day=2C 360 days a year?
> >
> >  =20
> >> > In fact=2C people who do gain money
> >> > in many cases fail to deliver an inspired piece of music.
> >>    =20
> >
> > Most artists who make a living from their art are delivering inspired
> > pieces of music=2C otherwise they would not make money at all.
> >
> > Your assumption presents the music listeners as stupid consumers=2C as =
a
> > whole=2C worldwide.
> >
> >  =20
> >> > A person can decide for himself when it concerns only him. The quest=
ion of
> >> > information control=2C however=2C concerns the whole society and in =
fact it
> >> > would influence the society more than the artist=2C since society wo=
uld have
> >> > to abide by the license and the artist would only wait for the bonus=
es.
> >> > By trying to control the flow of information=2C one unwillingly woul=
d control
> >> > much more than that - personal freedom. That's the nature of informa=
tion. So
> >> > licenses are a matter of freedom - everybody's freedom.
> >> >
> >> > This is my view on the subject.
> >> >
> >> > Louigi.
> >>    =20
> >
> > Music is an art=2C it is not information. The only information related
> > to music that exists is album notes=2C press releases=2C bios and
> > interviews. All this information is free for the public and no one is
> > interested in controlling its flow.
> >
> > Calling music as information is the favorite game of the various
> > internet companies. Of course they want to present music as
> > information=2C how else are they going to sell bigger hard drives=2C
> > easily exploited social networks and traffic statistics to their
> > customers?
> >  =20
>=20

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ortunity to listen/see that idea? How mean and egotistical is that?<br>Appl=
ying marketplace ideologies to art is a mistake in my opinion. <br>Everythi=
ng should NOT have a price. It's an age old Socialist/individualist=2C Left=
 wing/right wing=2C European/American dualogue.<br>Don't get me wrong. I'm =
not saying that commercialism doesn't have it's place but music and money m=
ix like oil and water.<br><br>peace<br><br>g<br><br>&gt=3B Date: Thu=2C 3 S=
ep 2009 12:04:32 -0400<br>&gt=3B From: Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net<br>&gt=3B To:=
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ping<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B I figured someone would address Louigi's remarks =
a little more strongly=2C <br>&gt=3B so I though I'd make an attempt.<br>&g=
t=3B <br>&gt=3B I'm really glad to see Milo's post because it is a well rea=
soned <br>&gt=3B rebuttal to some serious flaws I see in the position Louig=
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hat they are entitled <br>&gt=3B to use someone else's art for commercial g=
ain without compensating it's <br>&gt=3B author.  It is IMO a colossal rati=
onalization for theft of intellectual <br>&gt=3B property.<br>&gt=3B <br>&g=
t=3B I had never seen the tenets of this view laid out before - that art is=
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that <br>&gt=3B 'builds on' the work of others=2C it should not be subject =
to the most <br>&gt=3B basic rules of commerce.<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B The di=
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ieces of music=2C otherwise they would not make money at all.<br>&gt=3B &gt=
=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B Your assumption presents the music listeners as stupid=
 consumers=2C as a<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B whole=2C worldwide.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B<br=
>&gt=3B &gt=3B   <br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B &gt=3B A person can decide for him=
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gt=3B&gt=3B &gt=3B By trying to control the flow of information=2C one unwi=
llingly would control<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B &gt=3B much more than that - p=
ersonal freedom. That's the nature of information. So<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=
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=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B &gt=3B This is my view on th=
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an art=2C it is not information. The only information related<br>&gt=3B &gt=
=3B to music that exists is album notes=2C press releases=2C bios and<br>&g=
t=3B &gt=3B interviews. All this information is free for the public and no =
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> I had never seen the tenets of this view laid out before - that art is=20
> information, and that because society benefits even from art that=20
> 'builds on' the work of others, it should not be subject to the most=20
> basic rules of commerce.

This is a theme in the open software movement which seems to have
influenced Louigi's thoughts on music licensing.

I don't have any useful opinions on how art should be licensed, but
I'm not sure open source philosophy applies here even though you could
think of digital audio as "code" that needs to be "free" so people
can "build on it", blah, blah.

I don't have a problem with open source, but I do find it interesting
that people involved with open source projects generally make very
comfortable livings.  It's easy to give something away and crow about
the good things you're doing for the world when you're pulling down
six figures.

Imagine a parallel universe where programming and software were valued
at the level that composition and recordings are now.  No one wants to
spend money on software because there are enough cheap alternatives
that are "good enough".  It is impossible to make a good living
writing software though some people will try, living in poverty because
they love what they do.   How many chest thumping open source
evangelists do you think we would have in that universe?

Jeff

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Gareth: yes, I view it very similarly.

Dan Ash: Actually, there is a lot in what you say that I agree with. In
these questions the problem lies in the assumption that
they are simple matters that can be resolved by throwing in a couple of
arguments. But this is not true, those questions are
quite complex. And very often people misunderstand each other. Reading
replies, I can see that some people misunderstand
me since initially we approach the question from different perspectives.

In short, I  would say that I simply do not try to view art as part of an
"economical ecosystem" at all. My argument speaks about
inspiration, art, giving away something valuable into the world as part of
the creative spirit - in this equation money is not present at
all. I believe that pricing art and arguing who owes what idea is missing
the whole point. I am afraid I cannot further explain this
without turning this discussion into a philosophical book.

I would say this though - it is a very positive discussion and such
discussions allow us all to take a peak at other people's opinion.
Let us value such experiences.

And also - complex questions require time. Think this over. Get experience
from life in this matter. Maybe over time you'll see my
position is not that ridiculous. Maybe on the contrary, you will see you
cannot agree with me. Either way, it is fine.

Louigi.

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Gareth: yes, I view it very similarly.<br><br>Dan Ash: Actually, there is a=
 lot in what you say that I agree with. In these questions the problem lies=
 in the assumption that<br>they are simple matters that can be resolved by =
throwing in a couple of arguments. But this is not true, those questions ar=
e<br>
quite complex. And very often people misunderstand each other. Reading repl=
ies, I can see that some people misunderstand<br>me since initially we appr=
oach the question from different perspectives.<br><br>In short, I=A0 would =
say that I simply do not try to view art as part of an &quot;economical eco=
system&quot; at all. My argument speaks about<br>
inspiration, art, giving away something valuable into the world as part of =
the creative spirit - in this equation money is not present at<br>all. I be=
lieve that pricing art and arguing who owes what idea is missing the whole =
point. I am afraid I cannot further explain this<br>
without turning this discussion into a philosophical book.<br><br>I would s=
ay this though - it is a very positive discussion and such discussions allo=
w us all to take a peak at other people&#39;s opinion.<br>Let us value such=
 experiences.<br>
<br>And also - complex questions require time. Think this over. Get experie=
nce from life in this matter. Maybe over time you&#39;ll see my<br>position=
 is not that ridiculous. Maybe on the contrary, you will see you cannot agr=
ee with me. Either way, it is fine.<br>
<br>Louigi.<br>

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Loaf citious wrote:
> Well, actually my implication was that
> the EDP I got on the last blow out from
> musicians friend was a rush job (imho) and I wanted to
> start from scratch as far as the resistors go;  worked
> great 89% of the time but, made me mad the very
> first day - right out of the box - edit mode via record.

not likely the resistors were at fault.
...the switches...yes

> 
> So, are saying that it does not really matter?

Yep.
It's a low power circuit, so a low wattage resistor is ok.
It never hurts to use a resistor of higher than specified wattage,
just means the component is bigger and more expensive.

> Which one is better for accuracy?

1% metal film resistors

is the necessary spec for accuracy

> Thanks for you input!

enjoy your loops

a

> 
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> whatever the lowest wattage is, that will do
> 
> 
> If you're really good at destroying resistors (as you imply)
> then it wouldn't hurt to go for higher wattage,
> they'll be more forgiving of bad treatment with the soldering iron.
> 
> andy""

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Louigi wrote > In short, I  would say that I simply do not try to view
art as part of an "economical ecosystem" at all. My argument speaks
about inspiration, art, giving away something valuable into the world
as part of the creative spirit - in this equation money is not present
at all. I believe that pricing art and arguing who owes what idea is
missing the whole point. I am afraid I cannot further explain this
without turning this discussion into a philosophical book.

To have an argument which isolates items such as "inspiration, art,
giving away . . . as part of the creative spirit" ignores the fact
that these actions ARE a part of an ecosystem, which requires some
form of balance.

For instance: To say this about an automobile or human body, and speak
only of one of various modules in isolation ignores the larger picture
of how the system functions could fail without the balance of the
entire system. Remove food from the human ecosystem and death follows
sometime later. Remove the heart or any other vital organ and bad
things occur.

I would equate gasoline or nutrition as the missing ingredient in this
discussion about art.  How is one to provide food and shelter if their
primary activity is art? Giving it away does nothing to address the
time spent, overhead incurred (equipment). So unless it's a hobby and
you provide food and shelter with another vocation, the system is
unbalanced and will have a very short life span.

I give my stuff away because I abhor the daily toil of the music
"business", especially the culturally retarded infrastructure
currently available.

-- 
Miko Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
"Running scared from all the usual distractions!"

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The MoinSound Studio Sessions, one of many bi-weekly transmissions via
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http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/

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> I find that any time I need to hold down a button in the top row I tend to
> hit the bottom row.
> It's something that's a real problem at gigs.
> (not a problem with fcb1010, where the buttons lend enough support
> to rest the toe without pressing).
>
> I couldn't find any way to make it possible to use the top row
> with my heel on the floor, which would make controlled presses
> easy.

I agree with you Andy. The Gordius is a fantastic controller in terms
of specs and possibilities but I hope the 2nd generation will be flat
model ;)
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I'll be following suite with Rainer this weekend, doing my bi-weekly *Sunday
Morning at 11* live webcast series, this Sunday morning at 11am EST.  I'm
probably going to cut short my normal hour performance and do @30 minutes in
lui of a busy weekend with much birthday celebration (my daughter and I each
turn a year on Saturday).
I'll be doing my mix on Sunday of improvisational looping pieces and
non-looped pieces, on oud, guitar and electric violin.  Last Sunday morning
cast I used Mobius for the first time in about a year and really enjoyed
coming back to it so I will continue experimenting with it this weekend.

My broadcast URL is http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sunday-morning-at-11 -
please tune in if you are around this weekend.  For time conversion in your
locale visit http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock .

Also as part of my birth month I decided to document each evening around
this time with a short solo oud improvisation.  I began on the 1st on
Tuesday, capturing live to webcam, one take each day and releasing.  The 1st
I did on My Space web capture and then decided to switch to YouTube's webcam
capturing which all the nights from the 2nd on are and will be on my YouTube
page <http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic>.  Here is the offering for Sept
3rd, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jza3waB4ueI .  At month's end I may edit
them all together to make one piece though I'm not quite sure right now.

Lastly I'm in fundraising this month for the annual *JDRF Walk for the
Cure*that I'll note in another email.  It's a series of walk events
that raise
money for diabetes research of which my daughter is afflicted.  I have a
friend in Sweden that I occasionally collab with through NinJam.  He is also
diabetic.  We're planning to record a series of pieces from NinJam this
month and release as a recording with proceeds going to JDRF.  More about
that a bit later.

So reminder this weekend tune in for Rainer's webset at 1600 UTC on Saturday
and my cast on Sunday at 11am EST.

Wishing everyone a wonderful weekend and those observing the Labor day
holiday a peaceful restful holiday.

Jim

-- 
ReUse, an introspective textural aural
www.myspace.com/CtReUse

music links...
www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
www.myspace.com/jindream
www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic

video work/editing...
www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital

social networking...
www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic

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I&#39;ll be following suite with Rainer this weekend, doing my bi-weekly <i=
>Sunday Morning at 11</i> live webcast series, this Sunday morning at 11am =
EST. =A0I&#39;m probably going to cut short my normal hour performance and =
do @30 minutes in lui of a busy weekend with much birthday celebration (my =
daughter and I each turn a year on Saturday).<div>

<br></div><div>I&#39;ll be doing my mix on Sunday of improvisational loopin=
g pieces and non-looped pieces, on oud, guitar and electric violin. =A0Last=
 Sunday morning cast I used Mobius for the first time in about a year and r=
eally enjoyed coming back to it so I will continue experimenting with it th=
is weekend.</div>

<div><br></div><div>My broadcast URL is <a href=3D"http://www.ustream.tv/ch=
annel/sunday-morning-at-11" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ustream.tv/channel=
/sunday-morning-at-11</a> - please tune in if you are around this weekend. =
=A0For time conversion in your locale visit <a href=3D"http://www.timeandda=
te.com/worldclock" target=3D"_blank">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock<=
/a> .</div>

<div><br></div><div>Also as part of my birth month I decided to document ea=
ch evening around this time with a short solo oud improvisation. =A0I began=
 on the 1st on Tuesday, capturing live to webcam, one take each day and rel=
easing. =A0The 1st I did on My Space web capture and then decided to switch=
 to YouTube&#39;s webcam capturing which all the nights from the 2nd on are=
 and will be on my <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic" target=
=3D"_blank">YouTube page</a>. =A0Here is the offering for Sept 3rd,=A0<a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Djza3waB4ueI" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Djza3waB4ueI</a> . =A0At month&#39;s end I may e=
dit them all together to make one piece though I&#39;m not quite sure right=
 now.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Lastly I&#39;m in fundraising this month for the annual=
 <i>JDRF Walk for the Cure</i> that I&#39;ll note in another email. =A0It&#=
39;s a series of walk events that raise money for diabetes research of whic=
h my daughter is afflicted. =A0I have a friend in Sweden that I occasionall=
y collab with through NinJam. =A0He is also diabetic. =A0We&#39;re planning=
 to record a series of pieces from NinJam this month and release as a recor=
ding with proceeds going to JDRF. =A0More about that a bit later.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So reminder this weekend tune in for Rainer&#39;s webse=
t at 1600 UTC on Saturday and my cast on Sunday at 11am EST.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Wishing everyone a wonderful weekend and those observing the Lab=
or day holiday a peaceful restful holiday.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Jim<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>ReUse, an introspective=
 textural aural<br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse" target=3D"_bl=
ank">www.myspace.com/CtReUse</a><br>
<br>music links...<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com" target=3D"_=
blank">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmus=
ic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br><a href=3D"http=
://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/jimgoo=
dinmusic</a><br>

<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic" target=3D"_blank">www=
.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/ji=
mgoodinviolinelectro" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelec=
tro</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jindream" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.c=
om/jindream</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic" target=3D"_blank">www.you=
tube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br><br>video work/editing...<br><a href=3D"http=
://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital" target=3D"_blank">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodi=
ndigital</a><br>
<br>social networking...<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic" target=3D"_blank">www.twi=
tter.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br><br>
</div>

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Howdy Miko!

You are of course correct - in real life the economical issue IS
present. However, in all discussions about copyright and licenses
I believe that its role is over emphasized. Really, making a living is
usually not a problem. I have a friend who does music for a living.
When he doesn't get a lot of booking (he plays gigs) or when he doesn't
get a lot of orders (he also writes music for games) - he gives occasional
English lessons. He is very far from starving - he lives fine and does
what he loves without imposing over-restrictive licenses over the public.

"So unless it's a hobby and
you provide food and shelter with another vocation, the system is
unbalanced and will have a very short life span."

Wanted to comment on this to a bit. You are correct if we are speaking
about a hobby. But also keep in mind that there is such thing as talent,
a gift that is more than a hobby - when art is part of a person's life and
moves that person to a point that it is not possible for this person to not
compose or not write or not paint. In such case it is much more than a
hobby.
And perhaps in this case the economical issue is also not too vividly
present.

Some time ago in this discussion someone mentioned this article:
http://tucowsinc.com/news/2009/08/copyrights-creative-disincentive/

It is a very nice one. I really like how they put the economical issue in
the
right perspective, gave it a right priority. They have a nice word for it -
enabler.

Louigi.

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Howdy Miko!<br><br>You are of course correct - in real life the economical =
issue IS<br>present. However, in all discussions about copyright and licens=
es<br>I believe that its role is over emphasized. Really, making a living i=
s<br>
usually not a problem. I have a friend who does music for a living.<br>When=
 he doesn&#39;t get a lot of booking (he plays gigs) or when he doesn&#39;t=
<br>get a lot of orders (he also writes music for games) - he gives occasio=
nal<br>
English lessons. He is very far from starving - he lives fine and does<br>w=
hat he loves without imposing over-restrictive licenses over the public.<br=
><br>&quot;So unless it&#39;s a hobby and<br>
you provide food and shelter with another vocation, the system is<br>
unbalanced and will have a very short life span.&quot;<br><br>Wanted to com=
ment on this to a bit. You are correct if we are speaking<br>about a hobby.=
 But also keep in mind that there is such thing as talent,<br>a gift that i=
s more than a hobby - when art is part of a person&#39;s life and<br>
moves that person to a point that it is not possible for this person to not=
<br>compose or not write or not paint. In such case it is much more than a =
hobby.<br>And perhaps in this case the economical issue is also not too viv=
idly present.<br>
<br>Some time ago in this discussion someone mentioned this article:<br><a =
href=3D"http://tucowsinc.com/news/2009/08/copyrights-creative-disincentive/=
">http://tucowsinc.com/news/2009/08/copyrights-creative-disincentive/</a><b=
r>
<br>It is a very nice one. I really like how they put the economical issue =
in the<br>right perspective, gave it a right priority. They have a nice wor=
d for it - enabler.<br><br>Louigi.<br>

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On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Louigi Verona<louigi.verona@gmail.com> wro=
te:
> Howdy Miko!

> You are of course correct - in real life the economical issue IS present.=
 However, in all discussions about copyright and licenses I believe that it=
s role is over emphasized.

Hi Louigi,

I'd bet that there are very few situations where a striving artist's
work is somehow used by another for substantial gain, so you are
probably correct that copyright and licensing issues simply don't
matter. The concept of relinquishing your legal claim to your own work
IS troubling though=97It's the first step towards the ultimate
devaluation of your work. Whether you choose to give it away or
charge, it should still be your choice.

> ... Really, making a living is usually not a problem. I have a friend who=
 does music for a living. When he doesn't get a lot of booking (he plays gi=
gs) or when he doesn't get a lot of orders (he also writes music for games)=
 - he gives occasional English lessons. He is very far from starving - he l=
ives fine and does what he loves without imposing over-restrictive licenses=
 over the public.

Your anecdote about <someone> making enough to live is just another of
many stories=97some with less agreeable outcomes. So, my main concern is
that the artist should decide just how their material is to be used
commercially.

>> "So unless it's a hobby and you provide food and shelter with another vo=
cation, the system is unbalanced and will have a very short life span."

> Wanted to comment on this to a bit. You are correct if we are speaking ab=
out a hobby. But also keep in mind that there is such thing as talent, a gi=
ft that is more than a hobby - when art is part of a person's life and move=
s that person to a point that it is not possible for this person to not com=
pose or not write or not paint. In such case it is much more than a hobby. =
And perhaps in this case the economical issue is also not too vividly prese=
nt.

When I say "hobby" I only mean that it doesn't earn your living. In NO
way do I suggest that a hobbyist has any less talent, drive, passion,
or absolute need to create=97I believe those who continue to create with
NO compensation and are forced to do other work for a living, may
actually be driven by a more powerful muse than those who work
commercially. They may also choose to avoid the pitfalls of committing
their security and other real concerns to the shaky endeavor of trying
to earn a living through art. It's all about choice my friend.

--=20
Miko Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
"Running scared from all the usual distractions!"

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"So, my main concern is
that the artist should decide just how their material is to be used
commercially."

Well, so I see. But how can one control it in a world of today without
draconian measures? With the power of Internet such control is simply
impossible without creating absurd laws that would bound how people
use their computers. Actually, this is what the current copyright law is
trying to do. So while theoretically it is fine, but how can that be done?

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&quot;So, my main concern is<br>
that the artist should decide just how their material is to be used<br>
commercially.&quot;<br><br>Well, so I see. But how can one control it in a world of today without<br>draconian measures? With the power of Internet such control is simply<br>impossible without creating absurd laws that would bound how people<br>
use their computers. Actually, this is what the current copyright law is<br>trying to do. So while theoretically it is fine, but how can that be done?<br><br>Louigi.<br>

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Hi,
I am new to this. I am predominantly a percussionist, with some gguitar
skills and some voice skills. I would like to launch into looping, with a
view to performing live and also song building in Logic 8 express on a mac.
I am confronted with:
1. Digitech Jamman
2. Boomerang +
3. Electro-harmonix 2880 super

These date to 2006...are there any newer models out which improve or combine
facets of the above 3 main contenders? The Jamman seems the best one, but
does not allow reverse
Any advice would be greatfully received...many thanks in advance,
Timbo

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<div>Hi, </div>
<div>I am new to this. I am predominantly a percussionist, with some gguita=
r skills and some voice skills. I would like to launch into looping, with a=
 view to performing live and also song building in Logic 8 express on a mac=
.</div>

<div>I am confronted with:</div>
<div>1. Digitech Jamman</div>
<div>2. Boomerang +</div>
<div>3. Electro-harmonix 2880 super</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>These date to 2006...are there any newer models out which improve or c=
ombine facets of the above 3 main contenders? The Jamman seems the best one=
, but does not allow reverse </div>
<div>Any advice would be greatfully received...many thanks in advance,</div=
>
<div>Timbo</div>

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 Hi,
Thanks for including me in the loopers forum.
I am new to this. I am predominantly a percussionist, with some gguitar
skills and some voice skills. I would like to launch into looping, with a
view to performing live and also song building in Logic 8 express on a mac.
I am confronted with:
1. Digitech Jamman
2. Boomerang +
3. Electro-harmonix 2880 super

These date to 2006...are there any newer models out which improve or combine
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does not allow reverse
Any advice would be greatfully received...many thanks in advance,
Timbo

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<div id=3D"mb_0">
<div>Hi, </div>
<div>Thanks for including me in the loopers forum.</div>
<div>I am new to this. I am predominantly a percussionist, with some gguita=
r skills and some voice skills. I would like to launch into looping, with a=
 view to performing live and also song building in Logic 8 express on a mac=
.</div>

<div>I am confronted with:</div>
<div>1. Digitech Jamman</div>
<div>2. Boomerang +</div>
<div>3. Electro-harmonix 2880 super</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>These date to 2006...are there any newer models out which improve or c=
ombine facets of the above 3 main contenders? The Jamman seems the best one=
, but does not allow reverse </div>
<div>Any advice would be greatfully received...many thanks in advance,</div=
>
<div>Timbo</div></div><br style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8px" clear=3D"all">

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I try this every time I move. If anyone lives near Lebanon New Hampshire and
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I try this every time I move. If anyone lives near Lebanon New Hampshire and wants to get together for an informal looping session, let me know. I move there in a couple of days. <br>-Eben<br><br><br>

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Tim said:
"I am confronted with:
1. Digitech Jamman
2. Boomerang +
3. Electro-harmonix 2880 super

These date to 2006...are there any newer models out which improve or
combine facets of the above 3 main contenders? The Jamman seems the
best one, but does not allow reverse "

First of all, welcome to this odd corner of the world! One thing in
advance: the rules for this list include using plain-text mail - just
mentioning that because your message arrived as HTML. I noticed you're
using google mail - you find the option for this right above the
window for the message text (to the right of the formatting icons,
there should be an option "plain text". Click that, and you're fine).

About the loopers:
Now it's always hard to tell which looper is "best", because a lot of
factors play a role there: price, form factor (floorboard),
hardware/software solutions, connections, feature set, number of
parallel loops and so on. Your priorities usually are affected by the
way you make music, the setting you're playing music in etc.

Your list seems to be missing the Roland products (which is ok 'cause
I don't like them), as well as the Line6 (LM4 or something) and some
more. For starters, there's a big comparison chart courtesy of our Per
Boysen at
http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php

Usually my first recommendation to any new looper is to try borrowing
any looper from a friend who has one, and then working with it and see
how it fits into your musical approach and which features you need and
which you don't.

Yours,

           Rainer

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http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/090903.html

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

                Show #648                September 3, 2009.

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Ulrich Schnauss.  The
Featured CD at Midnight was disc one from Far Away Trains Passing By on
Domino Records.

Ulrich Schnauss:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/focus.html#sep


PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
John Ellis           Matsu Kaze           Wabi-Sabi 21© (Japan Project1)
Jonn Serrie and      The Rivre of Heaven  Hidden World Beyond (none)
  Gary Stroutsos
Marc Hans Rummig     Talos Lullabye       Alien Hymns (none)
Rainow Serpent       Geyser Field         Elektrik Cowboys (Ricochet
                                            Dream)
3 Seconds 0f Air     Dead Poets Sing the  The Flight of a Song
                       Sunless Land         (Tonefloat)

12:00 am
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Ulrich Schnauss      Knuddelmaus          Far Away Trains Passing By
                                            disc 1 (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Between Us and Them  FATPB disc 1 (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Passing By           FATPB disc 1 (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Blumenwiese Neben    Far Away Trains Passing By
                       Autobahn             disc 1 (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Nobody's Home        FATPB disc 1 (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Molfsee              FATPB disc 1 (Domino)
Terraambient         Visionquest          Wanderlust (Lotuspike)
vidnaObmana          I                    An Opera for Four Fusion
                                            Works Act Two: Phrasing the
                                            Air (Hypnos)

1:00 am

 * = excerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist
-- = Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on
Ulrich Schnauss.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc two from Far
Away Trains Passing By on Domino records.

Bill
=======================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
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93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD
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Alex Leger said:
"I've got to contradict Rainer on this as I like the Roland/Boss products"

You're not contradicting me at all - the fact that you like them does
not in any way conflict with the fact that I don't :).

Leaving my personal dislikes aside (which are mainly based on the fact
that no RC looper does what I envision from a stompbox looper - the
DD20 is a different beast though, and I really enjoy using it in delay
mode), it's worth mentioning that:
  * the RC20 (or was it the RC20XL) was the first looper to feature
non-volatile loop storage,
  * the RC2 is the looper with the smallest footprint,
  * the RC50 is the only stompbox looper which features multiple tracks

(all of these facts to the best of my knowledge, and the ZVex Lofi
Loop Junky does have a small footprint and features non-volatile loop
storage and it even came before the Bosses, although I'm not sure
about that detail, but then again it's not a "looper" by LD
definition, as it doesn't allow for overdub).

The RC series are targeted at a crowd with a very song-oriented
approach, and for that they seem to work just fine, so they may work
for time just the same they work for you (and lots of other people).

           Rainer

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You could try out SooperLooper or Mobius, free programs, if you have a midi
device to trigger looping from (a few electronic drum pads would work for
that, most guitarists use a footpedal). With either of these programs, you
should run them as standalone and use something like the (also free) Jack
audio routing system to get audio from logic and back. SooperLooper at least
can be used as a plugin, but Logic 8 has trouble dealing with plugins that
generate clocks (although this may not be true if you don't try to have
logic sync to external clocks).

I'm a big devotee of laptop looping, some others here would advise a hw
device as you're proposing.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Tim Watson <timwatsontim@googlemail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
> I am new to this. I am predominantly a percussionist, with some gguitar
> skills and some voice skills. I would like to launch into looping, with a
> view to performing live and also song building in Logic 8 express on a mac.
> I am confronted with:
> 1. Digitech Jamman
> 2. Boomerang +
> 3. Electro-harmonix 2880 super
>
> These date to 2006...are there any newer models out which improve or
> combine facets of the above 3 main contenders? The Jamman seems the best
> one, but does not allow reverse
> Any advice would be greatfully received...many thanks in advance,
> Timbo
>



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You could try out SooperLooper or Mobius, free programs, if you have a midi=
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that, most guitarists use a footpedal). With either of these programs, you =
should run them as standalone and use something like the (also free) Jack a=
udio routing system to get audio from logic and back. SooperLooper at least=
 can be used as a plugin, but Logic 8 has trouble dealing with plugins that=
 generate clocks (although this may not be true if you don&#39;t try to hav=
e logic sync to external clocks).<br>
<br>I&#39;m a big devotee of laptop looping, some others here would advise =
a hw device as you&#39;re proposing.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On F=
ri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Tim Watson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:timwatsontim@googlemail.com">timwatsontim@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>Hi, </div>
<div>I am new to this. I am predominantly a percussionist, with some gguita=
r skills and some voice skills. I would like to launch into looping, with a=
 view to performing live and also song building in Logic 8 express on a mac=
.</div>


<div>I am confronted with:</div>
<div>1. Digitech Jamman</div>
<div>2. Boomerang +</div>
<div>3. Electro-harmonix 2880 super</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>These date to 2006...are there any newer models out which improve or c=
ombine facets of the above 3 main contenders? The Jamman seems the best one=
, but does not allow reverse </div>
<div>Any advice would be greatfully received...many thanks in advance,</div=
>
<div>Timbo</div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679">http://www.ubetoo.com/Arti=
st.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.warrensirota.com">http=
://www.warrensirota.com</a><br>


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Absolutely.

The RC-50 does have lots of limitations (can't output different "phrases" to
different outputs).  But for song based looping it works really well.  It
does massively garble the output though if you try to change the tempo mid
loop.



On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com
> wrote:

> Alex Leger said:
> "I've got to contradict Rainer on this as I like the Roland/Boss products"
>
> You're not contradicting me at all - the fact that you like them does
> not in any way conflict with the fact that I don't :).
>
> Leaving my personal dislikes aside (which are mainly based on the fact
> that no RC looper does what I envision from a stompbox looper - the
> DD20 is a different beast though, and I really enjoy using it in delay
> mode), it's worth mentioning that:
>  * the RC20 (or was it the RC20XL) was the first looper to feature
> non-volatile loop storage,
>  * the RC2 is the looper with the smallest footprint,
>  * the RC50 is the only stompbox looper which features multiple tracks
>
> (all of these facts to the best of my knowledge, and the ZVex Lofi
> Loop Junky does have a small footprint and features non-volatile loop
> storage and it even came before the Bosses, although I'm not sure
> about that detail, but then again it's not a "looper" by LD
> definition, as it doesn't allow for overdub).
>
> The RC series are targeted at a crowd with a very song-oriented
> approach, and for that they seem to work just fine, so they may work
> for time just the same they work for you (and lots of other people).
>
>           Rainer
>
>


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Absolutely.=A0 <br><br>The RC-50 does have lots of limitations (can&#39;t o=
utput different &quot;phrases&quot; to different outputs).=A0 But for song =
based looping it works really well.=A0 It does massively garble the output =
though if you try to change the tempo mid loop. <br>
<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rai=
ner Straschill <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:moinsound@googlemail=
.com">moinsound@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin=
: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Alex Leger said:<br>
&quot;I&#39;ve got to contradict Rainer on this as I like the Roland/Boss p=
roducts&quot;<br>
<br>
You&#39;re not contradicting me at all - the fact that you like them does<b=
r>
not in any way conflict with the fact that I don&#39;t :).<br>
<br>
Leaving my personal dislikes aside (which are mainly based on the fact<br>
that no RC looper does what I envision from a stompbox looper - the<br>
DD20 is a different beast though, and I really enjoy using it in delay<br>
mode), it&#39;s worth mentioning that:<br>
 =A0* the RC20 (or was it the RC20XL) was the first looper to feature<br>
non-volatile loop storage,<br>
 =A0* the RC2 is the looper with the smallest footprint,<br>
 =A0* the RC50 is the only stompbox looper which features multiple tracks<b=
r>
<br>
(all of these facts to the best of my knowledge, and the ZVex Lofi<br>
Loop Junky does have a small footprint and features non-volatile loop<br>
storage and it even came before the Bosses, although I&#39;m not sure<br>
about that detail, but then again it&#39;s not a &quot;looper&quot; by LD<b=
r>
definition, as it doesn&#39;t allow for overdub).<br>
<br>
The RC series are targeted at a crowd with a very song-oriented<br>
approach, and for that they seem to work just fine, so they may work<br>
for time just the same they work for you (and lots of other people).<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>My music is at <=
a href=3D"http://www.bewaretheleopard.com">http://www.bewaretheleopard.com<=
/a> <br>Be sure to check it out and sign up for the mailing list!<br><br><b=
r>


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 In the inumerable Variations on a Theme by Paganini (whether by Brahms or whoever) the original artist is given credit, and substantial reworking and additions are added by the "borrowing" artist, shall we call him.  Of course, the sound recording is not used, as sampling was confined to replaying the notes themselves for most of history.  Artists were paid upon the completion of each work by patrons and some artists were widely regarded as no-talent plaigarists.  Not until the advent of the sound recording does the situation change much--  the system of publishing the printed score in a folio to enable people to recreate it at home was how the artist (or more likely their publishing company, like Boosey and Hawkes) made money off of his work.  Many might claim that the score of a piece should now be as open-source as people claim the recording should be, and in this day and age it seems prudent to make online copies available as an educational aid. 
 But.

     For someone to take anyone else's work and use it TO MAKE MONEY  without compensation going to the original artist has been deemed infringement of copyright as much to ensure the rights of the artist to exert control over his work as to insure the bottom line of the corporation that exploits said artist. (And these are increasingly often the same!)  Samuel Beckett and his estate are well-known for seeking injunctions, rightly or wrongly, against performances that they find not true to the spirit of the play.  Art is not open-source software that other programmers add to and delete to create a more functional product.  In the cases where artists blurred the lines (Warhol's Marilyn or Campbell's soup prints or Paul's Boutique) there was debate about where the line was in the use or misuse of others' material.  (Has anyone else seen the Vanilla Ice interview where he is trying to explain how the riff in "Ice Ice Baby" differs from the Bowie/ Queen
 source material?   A sample (speaking of samples): "Theirs goes 'bing bing bing da da bing bing,' but ours goes 'bing BING bing bing da da bing bing," right?")

     So now that sampling is endemic in our society, we are supposed to just throw out copyright protection as antiquated and outdated?  There seems to be no argument that you can do anything in the privacy of your bedroom studio that you want but that your creation will be under scrutiny once it is played publicly and especially if it is packaged as a product to be sold.  So clear the sample--  what is the big deal?  True, Paul's Boutique could never be recorded in this day and age and be a marketable product.  But even then there was a copyright both for the piece and the recorded work which had to be applied to the new world of samples and the ramifications took years to sort out in court cases.  So, as long as there is no money being made off of the work that the sample is used in, it is fair use.  If you are going to make money off of something, should it not be your own?  And if you use someone else's work to make money, should they not be
 compensated?  Just because many people think that works of music should be free to download as one pleases does not somehow legitimize the use of samples free of charge in works DESIGNED TO MAKE MONEY.  That is the difference--  if you are using someone else's work TO MAKE MONEY, whether the work is given away for free to sell concert tickets or merchandise or whatever, they have the right to demand that you clear that use with them before you do so. Yes, all great works are built standing on the shoulders of giants.  They aren't built looking over their shoulders at their work, copying it down and calling it one's own.


time



--- On Thu, 9/3/09, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:

> From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: Samples and looping
> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 12:57 PM
> 
> 
> 
> #yiv1974056895 .hmmessage P
> {
> margin:0px;padding:0px;}
> #yiv1974056895 {
> font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;}
> 
> 
>  
> I don't see it as theft. If I have a loaf of bread and
> someone takes it, I can no longer eat it - that's
> theft.
> An idea arrives in the mind of the artist. It's a gift.
> Why should people attempt to begrudge others the opportunity
> to listen/see that idea? How mean and egotistical is that?
> Applying marketplace ideologies to art is a mistake in my
> opinion. 
> Everything should NOT have a price. It's an age old
> Socialist/individualist, Left wing/right wing,
> European/American dualogue.
> Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that
> commercialism doesn't have it's place but music and
> money mix like oil and water.
> 
> peace
> 
> g
> 
> > Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 12:04:32 -0400
> > From: Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Re: Samples and looping
> > 
> > I figured someone would address Louigi's remarks a
> little more strongly, 
> > so I though I'd make an attempt.
> > 
> > I'm really glad to see Milo's post because it
> is a well reasoned 
> > rebuttal to some serious flaws I see in the position
> Louigi takes.  I am 
> > disturbed that there are people that truly feel that
> they are entitled 
> > to use someone else's art for commercial gain
> without compensating it's 
> > author.  It is IMO a colossal rationalization for
> theft of intellectual 
> > property.
> > 
> > I had never seen the tenets of this view laid out
> before - that art is 
> > information, and that because society benefits even
> from art that 
> > 'builds on' the work of others, it should not
> be subject to the most 
> > basic rules of commerce.
> > 
> > The digital age has made the theft of intellectual
> property ridiculously 
> > easy.  Behemoths like Microsoft, Sony, et al and the
> government that 
> > support their business models are desperately trying
> to shore up their 
> > leaking revenue streams.  But I'm not sure
> I've ever heard anyone 
> > suggest that an author is not somehow entitled to
> control the sale of 
> > works they produce, or more specifically, to give away
> their work while 
> > reserving certain rights.
> > 
> > Many musicians have recognized that the traditional
> music business model 
> > doesn't work for them. So they're
> experimenting with making downloadable 
> > versions of  their music available for free.  This
> might even mean that 
> > the work is free for use by others in their own
> commercial ventures.  
> > But I'm not sure that I've ever seen someone
> suggest that the author 
> > shouldn't be able to give away their work with
> certain restrictions on 
> > its use - restrictions that may be clearly stated and
> acknowledged when 
> > the consumer downloads it, in an easily implemented
> Creative Commons 
> > license.
> > 
> > Anyway, perhaps it just reflects a cultural shift away
> from the view I 
> > grew up with: that art and music have integral value;
> that they're 
> > important somehow.  I think artists are the eyes and
> even the conscience 
> > of a society, and have the same right to restrict the
> use of their 
> > art/work as any entrepreneur.  They just may not be
> able to enforce 
> > those rights in a society that condones theft and
> exploitation. 
> > 
> > Dan Ash
> > White Plains, NY
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Subject:
> > > Re: Samples and looping
> > > From:
> > > Milo <milo.vuc@gmail.com>
> > > Date:
> > > Thu, 3 Sep 2009 03:06:37 +0300
> > >
> > > To:
> > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/2/09, Louigi Verona
> <louigi.verona@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >   
> > >> > This sounds reasonable, but in real life
> turns out to be a disaster.
> > >>     
> > >
> > > This is just your point of view, your experience,
> your expectations.
> > > Not reality.
> > >
> > > Thousands of art workers around the world
> disagree with you. If you
> > > think they will just sit back and wait until
> every internet company
> > > has a few more million dollars in their accounts,
> you are mistaken.
> > > People have given their lifes for the right to
> work, people have
> > > fought for the right to have a future, long
> before the internet.
> > >
> > > Do you want to hear about real disasters? Check
> out how many people
> > > lost their jobs in the last five years because of
> piracy. Those are
> > > real people, not forum avatars. They have real
> families. Real dreams.
> > > Yes, that is the truth: people lose their job
> when a studio has to
> > > close down, when a band can't afford to tour
> anymore, when a record
> > > label can't even pay the rent.
> > >
> > > 99% of the music industry is hard working people,
> small studios, indie
> > > bands, small labels. Those are who are taking
> 100% of the risk, 100%
> > > of the damage. Not the superstars.
> > >
> > >   
> > >> > In
> > >> > order to control what everybody does
> with your music, you would require
> > >> > draconian measures and you will have to
> literally spy on every person in the
> > >> > world in order to actually see it
> through.
> > >>     
> > >
> > > You don't understand how the law works, no
> one is spying on anyone. If
> > > you use a sample from a movie and you release the
> album without a
> > > license, the director is not going to spy on you.
> He has better things
> > > to do, like make original films, for example. But
> you are liable for
> > > damages from the first day of release. Do you
> want to risk a lawsuit
> > > that will force you to pay money for all the
> years that the album was
> > > available? Do you want to spend the rest of your
> life waiting for a
> > > publisher somewhere to notice your music playing
> on the radio? Do you
> > > want to risk your unlicensed material being
> tracked from the automatic
> > > log systems of the royalties societies?
> > >
> > >   
> > >> > Also, what if 10000 people use
> > >> > it?
> > >>     
> > >
> > > If 10,000 use a sample without a license, then
> 10,000 lawyers are
> > > going to make some extra money sooner or later.
> It is not about if you
> > > are going to get caught, it is about when you are
> going to get caught.
> > >
> > >   
> > >> >Is it necessary to receive so much money
> for one piece of music?
> > >>     
> > >
> > > How can you possibly know how much money an
> artist has invested in his
> > > profession?
> > >
> > >   
> > >> > Clearly, this business model is flawed
> and seems reasonable only at the
> > >> > first glance.
> > >>     
> > >
> > > The only business model that is flawed is the
> model of stealing the
> > > indie artists to build internet corporations.
> > >
> > >   
> > >> > But
> > >> > who said that making good music should
> result in gaining money?
> > >>     
> > >
> > > Good music is used by many industries and
> companies to make money. Why
> > > shouldn't the artist earn a fair share?
> > >
> > > I have never heard a music supervisor/director
> say "hey, have you
> > > heard any bad music lately? I have to find some
> really awful tracks
> > > for a new documentary".
> > >
> > >   
> > >> > People do
> > >> > lots of good things and do not gain
> money.
> > >>     
> > >
> > > Do they do those good things for 8 hours every
> day, 360 days a year?
> > >
> > >   
> > >> > In fact, people who do gain money
> > >> > in many cases fail to deliver an
> inspired piece of music.
> > >>     
> > >
> > > Most artists who make a living from their art are
> delivering inspired
> > > pieces of music, otherwise they would not make
> money at all.
> > >
> > > Your assumption presents the music listeners as
> stupid consumers, as a
> > > whole, worldwide.
> > >
> > >   
> > >> > A person can decide for himself when it
> concerns only him. The question of
> > >> > information control, however, concerns
> the whole society and in fact it
> > >> > would influence the society more than
> the artist, since society would have
> > >> > to abide by the license and the artist
> would only wait for the bonuses.
> > >> > By trying to control the flow of
> information, one unwillingly would control
> > >> > much more than that - personal freedom.
> That's the nature of information. So
> > >> > licenses are a matter of freedom -
> everybody's freedom.
> > >> >
> > >> > This is my view on the subject.
> > >> >
> > >> > Louigi.
> > >>     
> > >
> > > Music is an art, it is not information. The only
> information related
> > > to music that exists is album notes, press
> releases, bios and
> > > interviews. All this information is free for the
> public and no one is
> > > interested in controlling its flow.
> > >
> > > Calling music as information is the favorite game
> of the various
> > > internet companies. Of course they want to
> present music as
> > > information, how else are they going to sell
> bigger hard drives,
> > > easily exploited social networks and traffic
> statistics to their
> > > customers?
> > >   
> > 
> 
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Hi !
Link; Arild Andersen Oslo Jazzfestival (looping)
http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/180300
Best regards Rune Fagereng


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On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Louigi Verona<louigi.verona@gmail.com> wro=
te:
>> "So, my main concern is that the artist should decide just how their mat=
erial is to be used commercially."

> Well, so I see. But how can one control it in a world of today without dr=
aconian measures? With the power of Internet such control is simply impossi=
ble without creating absurd laws that would bound how people use their comp=
uters. Actually, this is what the current copyright law is trying to do. So=
 while theoretically it is fine, but how can that be done?  Louigi.

I'm not sure that just because it's *easier* to
steal-sample-plagarize, that should be the reason to discontinue
copyright practices. Maybe the "power" of the internet is a bit
dangerous to personal privacy and civil liberties? I LOVE the
internet, but the complications of hacking, identity theft,
downloading, etc. are REAL issues that require REAL SOLUTIONS=97not just
passively lying down and allowing marauders to pillage.

I'm not sure how rampant downloading (for commercial purposes) can be
controlled, but the practice of "clearing" samples with the author is
the current status-quo. Enforcement? I'd say that will be handled by
the parties involved and proceed as defined by current copyright law
and each parties ability to finance the proceedings. All this is about
$$$. It's wishful thinking to believe that we can simply dismantle
protections under the law and "natural" law will somehow kindly manage
everything.

Another thought comes to mind. If all this so-called artistic "talent"
still requires other's good work to be realized, is it really
"talent"? In the writing business they call those people editors, and
they do not magically become "authors". A good editor is invaluable to
the process, but the author is still credited, gets their share, etc.
The details of how each person in the process gets paid is a legal
decision and professionals typically sign contracts regarding such.

Sometimes the details are burdensome to the point of spoiling the
process (they have for me!)  But I'm not about to deny others' their
due when they successfully negotiate the terrain required to actually
earn a decent living.

--=20
Miko Biffle
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funny little moment this am before work:

i finished my newest guitar 2 days ago, and i still haven't gotten around to setting the intonation on it, strings are floppy, tuned a whole step low (to D), i was playing something, just sparse single string things and sliding into them, and for some reason it reminded me of the low-fi sort of garage rock things played w/ cheapo guitars, and i loop about 3 passages of the little riff, and then started playing over it, then i reverse it, and i do this for probably about 5 min. it sounded cool, but i didn't record it (i need to set up some mics in my studio!).
when i finished i realized that i couldn't play any chords, b/c they would sound out of tune, but then i realized that i've been playing like this for 2 days now...and the sad thing is it still sounds like me, and it doesn't sound that much different when i think i'm in tune....so maybe i'm regressing or something....
it was sort of a weird realization this am...
had to share...
happy looping.
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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">funny little moment this am before work:<br><br>i finished my newest guitar 2 days ago, and i still haven't gotten around to setting the intonation on it, strings are floppy, tuned a whole step low (to D), i was playing something, just sparse single string things and sliding into them, and for some reason it reminded me of the low-fi sort of garage rock things played w/ cheapo guitars, and i loop about 3 passages of the little riff, and then started playing over it, then i reverse it, and i do this for probably about 5 min. it sounded cool, but i didn't record it (i need to set up some mics in my studio!).<br>when i finished i realized that i couldn't play any chords, b/c they would sound out of tune, but then i realized that i've been playing like this for 2 days now...and the sad thing is it still sounds like me, and it doesn't sound that much different when
 i think i'm in tune....so maybe i'm regressing or something....<br>it was sort of a weird realization this am...<br>had to share...<br>happy looping.<br>s----<br></td></tr></table><br>



      
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Howdy,
 I do believe that Tommy Iomi of Black Sabbath used that tuning(down to D) to achieve his signature sound.
Rig

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> funny
> little moment this am before work:
> 
> i finished my newest guitar 2 days ago, and i still
> haven't gotten around to setting the intonation on it,
> strings are floppy, tuned a whole step low (to D), i was
> playing something, just sparse single string things and
> sliding into them, and for some reason it reminded me of the
> low-fi sort of garage rock things played w/ cheapo guitars,
> and i loop about 3 passages of the little riff, and then
> started playing over it, then i reverse it, and i do this
> for probably about 5 min. it sounded cool, but i didn't
> record it (i need to set up some mics in my studio!).
> when i finished i realized that i couldn't play any
> chords, b/c they would sound out of tune, but then i
> realized that i've been playing like this for 2 days
> now...and the sad thing is it still sounds like me, and it
> doesn't sound that much different when
>  i think i'm in tune....so maybe i'm regressing or
> something....
> it was sort of a weird realization this am...
> had to share...
> happy looping.
> s----
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       


      

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wow a builder among us, what's it look like Scott?  did you keep the
recording?  sounds interesting...

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wow a builder among us, what&#39;s it look like Scott? =A0did you keep the =
recording? =A0sounds interesting...<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><=
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  I have 2 which is why I am selling 1.

This one has the latest software (version2) and has the noise  
reduction modification done.
Complete with

original power supply
digitech footswitch FS300
original box
software on disk
original manual

$1000 (AUD)

Mebourne, Australia

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 =0A> But I think that the deeper argument would be this. You say=0A> "In a=
 lot of cases I made music with a lot of work and=0A> didn't gain any money=
 at all". But who said that=0A> making good music should result in gaining =
money? People do=0A> lots of good things and do not gain money. In fact, pe=
ople=0A> who do gain money in many cases fail to deliver an inspired=0A> pi=
ece of music.=0A> =0A=0Aid say people who do good things musically is preci=
sely because of HARDWORK but do not make money perhaps because they do not =
know how to,the people who do gain money as you say are people who know how=
 to make profit out of them and are less concerned about delivering inspire=
d good music!=0A=0A=0A      

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On Sep 5, 2009, at 9:19 AM, L.Angulo wrote:

>
>> But I think that the deeper argument would be this. You say
>> "In a lot of cases I made music with a lot of work and
>> didn't gain any money at all". But who said that
>> making good music should result in gaining money? People do
>> lots of good things and do not gain money. In fact, people
>> who do gain money in many cases fail to deliver an inspired
>> piece of music.
>>
>
> id say people who do good things musically is precisely because of  
> HARDWORK but do not make money perhaps because they do not know how  
> to,the people who do gain money as you say are people who know how  
> to make profit out of them and are less concerned about delivering  
> inspired good music!

isn't there a way to do both?


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that link crashed my browser, btw

2009/9/4 rune fagereng <rune_fagereng@yahoo.no>

> Hi !
>
> Link; Arild Andersen Oslo Jazzfestival (looping)
>
> http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/180300
> Best regards Rune Fagereng
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail <http://no.mail.yahoo.com> med adressekartote=
k,
> kalender og notisblokk.
>

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that link crashed my browser, btw<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/=
4 rune fagereng <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo=
.no">rune_fagereng@yahoo.no</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0p=
t 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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t: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign=3D"top">
<div>Hi !</div><div><br></div><div>Link; Arild Andersen Oslo Jazzfestival (=
looping)</div><div><br></div><a href=3D"http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/1=
80300" target=3D"_blank">http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/180300</a><div><=
br>
</div><div>Best regards Rune Fagereng<br><div class=3D"hm"><div><br></div><=
div><br></div></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div class=3D"hm"><br>


      <hr size=3D"1"><br><table><tbody><tr><td>Alt i ett. F=E5 <a href=3D"h=
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tek, kalender og notisblokk.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></blockquote></=
div>
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I see NH and I think New Haven. Whhooops.

=-) PJ


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I try this every time I move. If anyone lives near Lebanon New 
Hampshire and wants to get together for an informal looping session, 
let me know. I move there in a couple of days.
-Eben



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I see NH and I think New Haven. Whhooops.

=-) PJ


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I try this every time I move. If anyone lives near Lebanon New 
Hampshire and wants to get together for an informal looping session, 
let me know. I move there in a couple of days.
-Eben



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Ah well...

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:05 AM, <pjbmhb@aol.com> wrote:

> I see NH and I think New Haven. Whhooops.
>
> =-) PJ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radio radio <radiotelevision@gmail.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:52 am
> Subject: anybody out there in NH?
>
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> I try this every time I move. If anyone lives near Lebanon New Hampshire
> and wants to get together for an informal looping session, let me know. I
> move there in a couple of days.
> -Eben
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Ah well...<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:05 AM=
,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pjbmhb@aol.com">pjbmhb@aol.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-l=
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 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">I see NH and I think New Haven. Whhooops.<br>
<br>
=3D-) PJ<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
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=3D"_blank">radiotelevision@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank=
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Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:52 am<br>
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<br>
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I try this every time I move. If anyone lives near Lebanon New Hampshire an=
d wants to get together for an informal looping session, let me know. I mov=
e there in a couple of days.<br>
-Eben<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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There was a thread about a week ago
about a very talented young British singer/songwriter looper
who just had his shit DOWN!!!!!!!

I'm going nuts,  I can't find it in the archives and I can't remember 
his name.
He had a couple of videos on youtube.com and I really liked what he was 
doing
and wanted to send it out to a couple of friends.

He even wrote to me and I can't figure out where I put the email.
DOH!!!!!!!!!

Can anyone jog my failing memory?

thanks,   rick

"You wanna know the good part about losing
your memory as you grow older?.....................FAGET ABOUT IT!!!!!!!"


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Rainer is live on ustream now for about another 20 min, there was a mixup
and some went to Justin the old link he's at
URL: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
Date: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Subject: [Virtual Gig Sp=E4m]: The MoinSound Studio Sessions - Anniversary
Broadcast, Saturday Sept. 5th 1600 UTC
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com


The MoinSound Studio Sessions, one of many bi-weekly transmissions via
video streams in these days, celebrates an anniversary:

This Saturday, September 5th, will see the 10th session in this
series, which has in the past contained bedroom guitar playing,
leather-clad trombone-meets-melodica attacks, minimalist electronic
bleeps, improvised double trio sessions and heavy video processing.

Date/Time: Saturday September 5th, 1600 UTC (for your local time
conversion, please use http://tinyurl.com/njdtqd)
URL: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions

This session will feature an undisclosed guest appearance on odd
electronic noise (featuring various delays, sampler and effects) and
video processing.

Looking forward to see you there!

          Rainer

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video work/editing...
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Rainer is live on ustream now for about another 20 min, there was a mixup a=
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<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>F=
rom: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Rainer Straschill</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com">moinsound@googlemail.com</a=
>&gt;</span><br>
Date: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:51 PM<br>Subject: [Virtual Gig Sp=E4m]: The Moi=
nSound Studio Sessions - Anniversary Broadcast, Saturday Sept. 5th 1600 UTC=
<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com">loopers-deli=
ght@loopers-delight.com</a><br>
<br><br>The MoinSound Studio Sessions, one of many bi-weekly transmissions =
via<br>
video streams in these days, celebrates an anniversary:<br>
<br>
This Saturday, September 5th, will see the 10th session in this<br>
series, which has in the past contained bedroom guitar playing,<br>
leather-clad trombone-meets-melodica attacks, minimalist electronic<br>
bleeps, improvised double trio sessions and heavy video processing.<br>
<br>
Date/Time: Saturday September 5th, 1600 UTC (for your local time<br>
conversion, please use <a href=3D"http://tinyurl.com/njdtqd" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://tinyurl.com/njdtqd</a>)<br>
URL: <a href=3D"http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions=
" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sess=
ions</a><br>
<br>
This session will feature an undisclosed guest appearance on odd<br>
electronic noise (featuring various delays, sampler and effects) and<br>
video processing.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to see you there!<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer<br>
<br>
---<br>
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space.com/moinlabs</a><br>
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itter.com/moinlabs</a><br>
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get=3D"_blank">http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions<=
/a><br>
<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/moinlabs" target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/mo=
inlabs</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/</a><br>
<br>
</div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>ReUse, an introspective textural aur=
al<br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse">www.myspace.com/CtReUse</a=
><br><br>music links...<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.ji=
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><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.myspace.com/jimg=
oodinmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic">www=
.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro">www.myspace.com/j=
imgoodinviolinelectro</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jindream">ww=
w.myspace.com/jindream</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmu=
sic">www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
<br>video work/editing...<br><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigit=
al">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br><br>social networking...<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic=
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<br>
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Raul Bonell wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-against-improvisation-688630.html

So is she responding to an article by David Toop or an article about  
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On Sep 5, 2009, at 12:31 AM, doc rossi wrote:
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>> id say people who do good things musically is precisely because of  
>> HARDWORK but do not make money perhaps because they do not know how  
>> to,the people who do gain money as you say are people who know how  
>> to make profit out of them and are less concerned about delivering  
>> inspired good music!
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> isn't there a way to do both?

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Hi,

I haven't tried to compress for streaming video before, and I am 
preparing a piece for The Virtual Sound Festival 
(http://www.myspace.com/vsvfestival ) which will consist of musical 
and mixed media performances over the internet. My contribution will 
be pre-made video.

The instructions I have for compressing are a bit sketchy, and if 
someone can suggest compressor settings that will best give Rainer 
what he is asking for, that would be most helpful. Thanks.

At 10:37 PM +0200 8/17/09, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
>For Codec: more or less any of your choice. For the live streams, I've been
>using 400kbps bitrate (for video alone) at 480x360, but I may be using a
>higher bandwidth upstream for the festival, so it might make sense to go for
>something of higher quality.


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Hi folks,

I'll be performing video improvisations at 119 Gallery in Lowell as 
part of the series of events described below. I visited the space on 
Monday, and am completely blown away by the environment that Claire 
(working with plants) and Patrick (working  with industrial 
artifacts) have created. I'm looking forward to performing in the 
space and am planning a slowly moving two projector setup,  unlike 
the rapid cutting one projector setup I usually use in performance.

Whether or not you attend a performance, you owe it to yourself to at 
least visit the installation during gallery hours. On a scale from 1 
to 10, this show rates at least a 12!



Claire Elizabeth Barratt -
Video, sound - plus dance/movement, music & spoken word in performance

Patrick Pierce -
Sculpture pieces, poetry - plus movement, music & spoken word in performance

Life is Art is Life is...


September 1- 27, 2009, Lowell, MA-

This September Patrick Pierce and Claire Elizabeth Barratt have 
turned 119 Gallery into a fertile garden filled with sculpture, 
video, sound and poetry,
organic and inorganic matter.

Introduced in 2008 by the gallery, Claire, a British movement artist 
and Patrick, a Lowell sculptor, immediately sensed their connection 
and began exploring ideas to combine their talents. Their two week 
residency this August culminates in this immersive multi-part, 
multi-media installation and performance series with wooden and metal 
sculptures, video projections, poetry, sound and music.

Life is Art is Life... is a continuously unfolding installation and 
play of interactions that marries nature and industry, the organic 
and the fabricated, the muse and the workshop. A truly equal 
collaboration between the two artists, Claire says, "The creation of 
the installation itself is a combined effort. We both play quite 
different roles in the elements we bring to the work."

=


We each trust the others artistic integrity and understand our role 
as 'conduits' through which the work unfolds.--Claire Elizabeth 
Barratt

What we did not know we knew is what is revealed.--Patrick Pierce


The installation is free and open Tue - Sat 12noon - 5pm. 
Performances are scheduled by the artists and with guest musicians 
and collaborators throughout the month and during Lowell Open 
Studios. See below and check our website at www.119gallery.org and 
www.cillavee.com.


Opening Performance
Sept 4 - Claire Elizabeth Barratt & Patrick Pierce

Sept 5 - Claire Elizabeth Barratt, movement;
Lou Cohen, laptop; John Voigt, bass, Patrick Pierce

Sept 11 - Claire Elizabeth Barratt, movement;
Jon Glancy, percussion; Emile Tobenfeld , video mix

Sept 12 - Claire Elizabeth Barratt, movement, Andy Fordyce, 
percussion; Chris Gilmore, laptop & electronics

Sept 18 - TBA

Closing Performance
Sept 25 - Claire Elizabeth Barratt & Patrick Pierce

Lowell Open Studios
Sept 26 and Sept 27  - Apocalypso Trio: Joe Burgio, movement;
Shayna Dulberger, double bass; Walter Wright,
analog synths & video + Katt Hernandez, violin

Claire Elizabeth Barratt
a.k.a.  Cilla Vee, has a dance and musical theater background with 
the (British) Royal Academy of Dance, Associated Board of Music, The 
Laban Centre for Movement and Dance and The London Studio Centre. 
She has presented work in The New York Botanical Gardens, PS122, Art 
Basel - Miami and the Black Mountain College Museum + Art Center, NC. 
She specializes in performance, video and installation. She is 
director of Cilla Vee Life Arts, an inter-disciplinary arts 
organization.


Patrick Pierce
is a sculptor and poet of life-long practice who moved his studio to 
Lowell, MA in 2001. He has had multiple one-man and group shows in 
New York including the Denise Bibro Fine Art, with L'Attitude Gallery 
and Larry Powers, and with the Turtle Gallery on Deer Isle, Maine. 
His work is included in collections across the country and has been 
reviewed in The Atlantic Monthly, The Boston Globe, and other 
publications.



					119 Chelmsford Street 
Lowell, MA  01851
978.452.8138  http://www.119gallery.org



-- 
My photography can be viewed at 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/

My videos can be viewed at
http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld

		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer			Image Processing Specialist
Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
http://www.foryourhead.com		http://www.borisfx.com

" Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better."  -- Paul Bley

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Hi folks,

A number of my world trade center photographs will be on  digital 
display as part of "Twin Towers Once Stood", a group show that will 
be at

SB D Gallery
125 East 4th Street
New York, NY 10003

http://www.sbdigitalgallery.com/
tel.212-979-7239

from Sept. 11 through October 15. The opening reception is on Sept 12 
from 5 - 9 PM. I'll be in town on family business that day, and hope 
to get to the opening for the last hour or so.

Lower resolution versions of the images can be seen at my web site, 
http://www.foryourhead.com/


-- 
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		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer			Image Processing Specialist
Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
http://www.foryourhead.com		http://www.borisfx.com

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 this looks sweet!......i want one!


 


 




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This? <http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=2020>


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>  this looks
> sweet!......i want one!



      

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I have one on order, I'll let you know.

 Bill

 

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this looks sweet!......i want one!

 

 


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It's basically a FlipCamera. I've got a Flip and it's awesome.
Granted, the audio on the Zoom is superior.


On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Tim Nelson wrote:

> This? <http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=2020>
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 keep us posted billy bob!.....you're such a sweet young man.....yeah, talk about killing 2 birds with one tone.....i have been wanting one of those small pocket recorders and this has a camera to boot.....movie time!.....and yes tim, that was correct, thank you.....now if i got one of these AND COULD WALK.....i would do a musical about the G 20.....what a hoot.....i've already invited MR. J DUKE and anyone else that would like to be up close and personal with the MOST EVIL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.....i think this is going to be a real freak show and i'm excited to see it happening in mr. roger's neighborhood......:)m


 


 





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Hey Cap'n,=20

I have a slight mobility issue going also so we'll do our movie with a =
couple of these! I can see us now zooming around raising heck with mics =
and cameras!
http://www.scootaround.com/rentals_vehicles.htm

Jeff


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: nemoguitt@aol.com=20
  To: billwalker@baymoon.com ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:41 PM
  Subject: Re: zoom Q3


  keep us posted billy bob!.....you're such a sweet young man.....yeah, =
talk about killing 2 birds with one tone.....i have been wanting one of =
those small pocket recorders and this has a camera to boot.....movie =
time!.....and yes tim, that was correct, thank you.....now if i got one =
of these AND COULD WALK.....i would do a musical about the G 20.....what =
a hoot.....i've already invited MR. J DUKE and anyone else that would =
like to be up close and personal with the MOST EVIL PEOPLE IN THE =
WORLD.....i think this is going to be a real freak show and i'm excited =
to see it happening in mr. roger's neighborhood......:)m









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(MOST EVIL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.)
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Just feed them all a Primanti's sandwich.

--- On Sat, 9/5/09, nemoguitt@aol.com <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:


From: nemoguitt@aol.com <nemoguitt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: zoom Q3
To: billwalker@baymoon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 9:41 PM



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Wow! I want one too!

Can't wait to hear about it.
: )

-- 
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Fixed focus.....no zoom capabilities......closest focus is more than two fe=
et (.8 m).
Think I'll wait for version 2.=20

> Date: Sat=2C 5 Sep 2009 17:31:58 -0700
> From: psychle62@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: zoom Q3
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> This? <http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=3D2020>
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> --- On Sat=2C 9/5/09=2C nemoguitt@aol.com <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:=20
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u mean this guy?=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpaYvTKVTzU8=0A=0A=0A=
=0A=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Rick Walker <looppool@cr=
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.com>=0A> Betreff: Who was that looper?=0A> An: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)"=
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9, 5:53=0A> There was a thread about a week ago=0A> about a very talented y=
oung British singer/songwriter=0A> looper=0A> who just had his shit DOWN!!!=
!!!!=0A> =0A> I'm going nuts,=A0 I can't find it in the archives and I=0A> =
can't remember his name.=0A> He had a couple of videos on youtube.com and I=
 really liked=0A> what he was doing=0A> and wanted to send it out to a coup=
le of friends.=0A> =0A> He even wrote to me and I can't figure out where I =
put the=0A> email.=0A> DOH!!!!!!!!!=0A> =0A> Can anyone jog my failing memo=
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out losing=0A> your memory as you grow older?.....................FAGET=0A>=
 ABOUT IT!!!!!!!"=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A      

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It does look good.
I've been using the H2
and the onboard mics are excellent, so unless Zoom
downgraded for their later models  it'll be possible to make
great recordings.

£199 in uk
$249 US

for comparison, the audio only H2 is £150 these days.




3 reservations.
1) the H2 & H4 do the recording volume (and limiting) in the digital domain, 
  *after* any overload distortion. I doubt my H2 would cope with a loud band.
   Did Zoom address that issue? It would mean adding a VCA to the circuit at
    extra expense and/or quality loss. 
2) the audio will only sound good if the camera stays in one position 
   ( so ignore the  "make your own movie perfect sound" hype)
3) the supplied editing software. 

andy butler

ps.
the alternative is to record the audio separately and re-sync,
which means you can use the camera you already have 


    

nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
>   this looks sweet!......i want one!
> 
> 

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I have the h2 as well and like what it does (and how it does it) quite =20=

a lot.

The cheaply made plastic housing has been a bother though.

The tripod mount fitting has busted out twice - metal threaded ring =20
broke out of the flimsy plastic around it.

Not totally impressed with that.

It' epoxied back together okay though and I hope to get a Flip camera =20=

sometime soon.

All I can say is watch out for the flimsy plastic housings.

Best,

T=AEK

On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:27 AM, andy butler wrote:

> It does look good.
> I've been using the H2
> and the onboard mics are excellent, so unless Zoom
> downgraded for their later models  it'll be possible to make
> great recordings.
>
> =A3199 in uk
> $249 US
>
> for comparison, the audio only H2 is =A3150 these days.
>
>
>
>
> 3 reservations.
> 1) the H2 & H4 do the recording volume (and limiting) in the digital =20=

> domain,  *after* any overload distortion. I doubt my H2 would cope =20
> with a loud band.
>  Did Zoom address that issue? It would mean adding a VCA to the =20
> circuit at
>   extra expense and/or quality loss. 2) the audio will only sound =20
> good if the camera stays in one position   ( so ignore the  "make =20
> your own movie perfect sound" hype)
> 3) the supplied editing software.
> andy butler
>
> ps.
> the alternative is to record the audio separately and re-sync,
> which means you can use the camera you already have
>
>
> nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
>>  this looks sweet!......i want one!
>

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Hey All,

I searched thru the threads, but couldn't find anyting related to this.
Does anmybody synch their echoplex to ableton?
I've synced to macs no problem before.  I'm attempting to sync my Mac as the
master to an Echoplex, but maybe I have my EDP setting wrong, cuz it ain't
workin'.  
Any info would be greatly appreciated.



-- 
DVS aka Derek VanScoten
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"Fixed focus.....no zoom capabilities......closest focus is more than two
feet (.8 m).
Think I'll wait for version 2."

 

Good points, but not really an issue with me as I would be mounting it on a
tripod anyway, so zoom capability would be cool but not a deal breaker and
closer than 2 feet reveals my nose hair, anyway. I like the fact that I
don't have to use the Mac's I camera to create performance or tutorial
videos in my studio, and I've been really impressed with the live sound of
the H4 which has the same mics. This to me is a good stereo audio recorder
with the added bonus of a video camera. Ok and I'm a sucker for the color
blue.  No doubt they will come out with a version2 just like they did with
the H4

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
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a deal
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fact
that I don&#8217;t have to use the Mac&#8217;s I camera to create =
performance
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with the
live sound of the H4 which has the same mics. This to me is a good =
stereo audio
recorder with the added bonus of a video camera. Ok and I&#8217;m a =
sucker for
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I wanted to share this very important information. This is one the  
most incredible and beautiful things I have found out about in many  
years.
I would also think that the art of loopage would fit very well into  
this program, and also into the very essence of the idea itself.

Please let others know about it, far and wide. This is an idea that  
needs to spread...
TIA

http://www.childrenscancerassociation.org/programs/music-rx

L8r...
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<div>I wanted to share this very important information. This is one the most incredible and beautiful things I have found out about in many years.</div><div>I would also think that the art of loopage would fit very well into this program, and also into the very essence of the idea itself.</div><div><br></div><div>Please let others know about it, far and wide. This is an idea that needs to spread...</div><div>TIA</div><div><br></div><a href="http://www.childrenscancerassociation.org/programs/music-rx">http://www.childrenscancerassociation.org/programs/music-rx</a><br><br><div>L8r...</div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><div>Rev Fever</div><div>http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/</div></span> </div><br></div></body></html>
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Very interesting... and combined with the interest in repetition and mantra
as healing that there is on the list, I would say very ontopic, thanks for
posting...

m.

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Rev Fever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:

> I wanted to share this very important information. This is one the most
> incredible and beautiful things I have found out about in many years.
> I would also think that the art of loopage would fit very well into this
> program, and also into the very essence of the idea itself.
>
> Please let others know about it, far and wide. This is an idea that needs
> to spread...
> TIA
>
> http://www.childrenscancerassociation.org/programs/music-rx
>
> L8r...
> Rev Fever
> http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ <http://www.spiritone.com/%7Ervfever/>
>
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Very interesting... and combined with the interest in repetition and mantra=
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 at 5:27 AM, Rev Fever <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:revfever@ube=
rgadget.com">revfever@ubergadget.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
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<div>I wanted to share this very important information. This is one the mos=
t incredible and beautiful things I have found out about in many years.</di=
v><div>I would also think that the art of loopage would fit very well into =
this program, and also into the very essence of the idea itself.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Please let others know about it, far and wide. This is =
an idea that needs to spread...</div><div>TIA</div><div><br></div><a href=
=3D"http://www.childrenscancerassociation.org/programs/music-rx" target=3D"=
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<br><div>L8r...</div><div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 12px;"><div>Rev Fe=
ver</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.spiritone.com/%7Ervfever/" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/</a></div></span> </div><br></div><=
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On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:45 AM, dvs<dvsmusic@comcast.net> wrote:
> Does anmybody synch their echoplex to ableton?

Yes, I did that a lot a couple of years ago. MIDI Clock worked well as
the sync protocol. I have also found it work well with Pulse Sync if I
first record the pulse tones from the Echoplex into the computer and
then have them sent out into the Echoplex to follow tempo.

> I've synced to macs no problem before. =C2=A0I'm attempting to sync my Ma=
c as the
> master to an Echoplex,

I take that as you wanting to sync the Echoplex to follow Ableton Live
running on a Mac? Ableton Live being the Sync Master and the Echoplex
the Sync Slave? If this assumption is correct my advice above will be
relevant.

Greetings from Sweden

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Subject: Fwd: NOT A JOKE History of : Fanatics






A German's View on Islam

    A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned
a number of large industries and estates. When asked how  many German people
were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our  attitude toward
fanaticism. "Very few people were true Nazis," he said,  "but many enjoyed
the return of German pride, and many more were too  busy to care.  I was one
of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of  fools. So, the majority
just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we  knew it, they owned
us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world  had come.


    My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the
Allies destroyed my factories."

   We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam
is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to
live in peace. Although this  unqualified assertion may be true, it is
entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better,
 and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the
globe in the name of Islam.


    The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in  history. It
is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50
shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics  who systematically slaughter
Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over
the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb,
behead, murder or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after
mosque.   It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of
rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics  who teach their young to
kill and to become suicide bombers. The hard quantifiable fact is that the
peaceful majority,  the 'silent majority', is cowed and extraneous.


    Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live  in
peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about
30 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.


     China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists
managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.


    The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a war
mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South
East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12
million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.


    And who can forget Rwanda   which collapsed into butchery. 800,000
slaughtered.  Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace
loving'?


    History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our
powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:
Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because
like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the
fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.


    Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs,
Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others
have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too
late.


    As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only
group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.


    Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes
this email without sending it on is contributing to the passiveness that
allows the problems to expand.  So, extend  yourself a bit and send this on
and on and on!  Let us hope that thousands, world wide, read this and think
about  it,  and send it on before it's too late.


 Emanuel Tanay , MD
 Wayne State University
 Ann Arbor , Michigan

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tates. When asked how =A0many German people were true Nazis, the answer he =
gave can guide our =A0attitude toward fanaticism. &quot;Very few people wer=
e true Nazis,&quot; he said, =A0&quot;but many enjoyed the return of German=
 pride, and many more were too =A0busy to care. =A0I was one of those who j=
ust thought the Nazis were a bunch of =A0fools. So, the majority just sat b=
ack and let it all happen. Then, before we =A0knew it, they owned us, and w=
e had lost control, and the end of the world =A0had come.<br>
<br><br>=A0 =A0 My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration ca=
mp and the Allies destroyed my factories.&quot;<br><br>=A0 =A0We are told a=
gain and again by &#39;experts&#39; and &#39;talking heads&#39; that Islam =
is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want t=
o live in peace. Although this =A0unqualified assertion may be true, it is =
entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better,=
 =A0and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across =
the globe in the name of Islam.<br>
<br><br>=A0 =A0 The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in =
=A0history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any o=
ne of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics =A0who systematically =
slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually ta=
king over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who b=
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eir young to kill and to become suicide bombers. The hard quantifiable fact=
 is that the peaceful majority, =A0the &#39;silent majority&#39;, is cowed =
and extraneous.<span></span> <br>
<br><br>=A0 =A0 Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted =
to live =A0in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the mu=
rder of about 30 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.<br>=
<br>
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0China &#39;s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chine=
se Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.<br><br><br>=
=A0 =A0 The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a war=
 mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South=
 East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 =
million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.<br>
<br><br>=A0 =A0 And who can forget Rwanda =A0 which collapsed into butchery=
. 800,000 slaughtered. =A0Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandan=
s were &#39;peace loving&#39;?<br><br><br>=A0 =A0 History lessons are often=
 incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often mis=
s the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have bee=
n made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our en=
emy if they don&#39;t speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they =
will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of the=
ir world will have begun.<br>
<br><br>=A0 =A0 Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans=
, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and m=
any others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until i=
t was too late.<br>
<br><br>=A0 =A0 As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to=
 the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.<br>=
<br><br>=A0 =A0 Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and jus=
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ss that allows the problems to expand. =A0So, extend =A0yourself a bit and =
send this on and on and on! =A0Let us hope that thousands, world wide, read=
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<br><br>=A0Emanuel Tanay , MD<br>=A0Wayne State University<br>=A0Ann Arbor =
, Michigan<br><br>

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How curious that you haven't included America and to a lesser extent=2C the=
 UK. Between them thay have killed a million civillions  in Iraq=2C fosteri=
ng the next generation on terrorists in the process. Not to mention the end=
less meddling in other coutries' businesses. Arming and training where appr=
opriate=2C pumping money and arms in here and there=2C turning a blind eye =
where it suits them and disregarding international law at the drop of a hat=
.
I could go on - Lets not condemn muslims while endorsing our own grievious =
misdeeds - that would be gross complacency.

G




A German's View on Islam

    A man=2C whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II=2C o=
wned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how  many German =
people were true Nazis=2C the answer he gave can guide our  attitude toward=
 fanaticism. "Very few people were true Nazis=2C" he said=2C  "but many enj=
oyed the return of German pride=2C and many more were too  busy to care.  I=
 was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of  fools. So=2C =
the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then=2C before we  knew i=
t=2C they owned us=2C and we had lost control=2C and the end of the world  =
had come.



    My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the A=
llies destroyed my factories."

   We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam =
is the religion of peace=2C and that the vast majority of Muslims just want=
 to live in peace. Although this  unqualified assertion may be true=2C it i=
s entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff=2C meant to make us feel bet=
ter=2C  and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging acr=
oss the globe in the name of Islam.



    The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in  history. It=
 is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shoot=
ing wars worldwide. It is the fanatics  who systematically slaughter Christ=
ian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the en=
tire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb=2C behead=2C=
 murder or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosqu=
e.   It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rap=
e victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics  who teach their young to kil=
l and to become suicide bombers. The hard quantifiable fact is that the pea=
ceful majority=2C  the 'silent majority'=2C is cowed and extraneous.=20



    Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live  in =
peace=2C yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of abou=
t 30 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.



     China 's huge population was peaceful as well=2C but Chinese Communist=
s managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.


    The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a war mon=
gering sadist. Yet=2C Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South E=
ast Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 mi=
llion Chinese civilians=3B most killed by sword=2C shovel=2C and bayonet.



    And who can forget Rwanda   which collapsed into butchery. 800=2C000 sl=
aughtered.  Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace =
loving'?


    History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt=2C yet for all ou=
r powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points=
: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-lo=
ving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up=2C because like m=
y friend from Germany =2C they will awaken one day and find that the fanati=
cs own them=2C and the end of their world will have begun.



    Peace-loving Germans=2C Japanese=2C Chinese=2C Russians=2C Rwandans=2C =
Serbs=2C Afghans=2C Iraqis=2C Palestinians=2C Somalis=2C Nigerians=2C Alger=
ians and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak =
up until it was too late.



    As for us who watch it all unfold=2C we must pay attention to the only =
group that counts=3B the fanatics who threaten our way of life.


    Lastly=2C anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes =
this email without sending it on is contributing to the passiveness that al=
lows the problems to expand.  So=2C extend  yourself a bit and send this on=
 and on and on!  Let us hope that thousands=2C world wide=2C read this and =
think about  it=2C  and send it on before it's too late.=20



 Emanuel Tanay =2C MD
 Wayne State University
 Ann Arbor =2C Michigan


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the endless meddling in other coutries' businesses. Arming and training whe=
re appropriate=2C pumping money and arms in here and there=2C turning a bli=
nd eye where it suits them and disregarding international law at the drop o=
f a hat.<br>I could go on - Lets not condemn muslims while endorsing our ow=
n grievious<em></em> misdeeds - that would be gross complacency.<br><br>G<b=
r><br><br><br><br>A German's View on Islam<br><br>&nbsp=3B &nbsp=3B A man=
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ople were true Nazis=2C the answer he gave can guide our &nbsp=3Battitude t=
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happen. Then=2C before we &nbsp=3Bknew it=2C they owned us=2C and we had lo=
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<br><br>&nbsp=3B &nbsp=3B My family lost everything. I ended up in a concen=
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is the religion of peace=2C and that the vast majority of Muslims just want=
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feel better=2C &nbsp=3Band meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatic=
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<br><br>&nbsp=3B &nbsp=3B The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this =
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Gareth, pay attention to how the present Labour 'government' (aka a mad =
grab for cash) has truly sold out a number of peoples in the name of =
[drum roll] oil contracts with Libya.  It's more verifiable and less =
moldable to a personal philosophy as a matter of convenience.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gareth Whittock=20
  To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 3:02 PM
  Subject: RE: Fanatics ARE a problem. Complacency WILL do us in (Very =
OT)


  How curious that you haven't included America and to a lesser extent, =
the UK. Between them thay have killed a million civillions  in Iraq, =
fostering the next generation on terrorists in the process. Not to =
mention the endless meddling in other coutries' businesses. Arming and =
training where appropriate, pumping money and arms in here and there, =
turning a blind eye where it suits them and disregarding international =
law at the drop of a hat.
  I could go on - Lets not condemn muslims while endorsing our own =
grievious misdeeds - that would be gross complacency.

  G




  A German's View on Islam

      A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, =
owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how  many =
German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our  =
attitude toward fanaticism. "Very few people were true Nazis," he said,  =
"but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too  =
busy to care.  I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a =
bunch of  fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. =
Then, before we  knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and =
the end of the world  had come.


      My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and =
the Allies destroyed my factories."

     We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that =
Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims =
just want to live in peace. Although this  unqualified assertion may be =
true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make =
us feel better,  and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics =
rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.


      The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in  =
history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any =
one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics  who =
systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa =
and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. =
It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder or honour-kill. It is the =
fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.   It is the fanatics who =
zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and =
homosexuals. It is the fanatics  who teach their young to kill and to =
become suicide bombers. The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful =
majority,  the 'silent majority', is cowed and extraneous.=20


      Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live =
 in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of =
about 30 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.


       China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese =
Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.


      The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a =
war mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across =
South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic =
murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, =
and bayonet.


      And who can forget Rwanda   which collapsed into butchery. 800,000 =
slaughtered.  Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were =
'peace loving'?


      History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all =
our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of =
points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. =
Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, =
because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find =
that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.


      Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, =
Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and =
many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up =
until it was too late.


      As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the =
only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.


      Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just =
deletes this email without sending it on is contributing to the =
passiveness that allows the problems to expand.  So, extend  yourself a =
bit and send this on and on and on!  Let us hope that thousands, world =
wide, read this and think about  it,  and send it on before it's too =
late.=20


   Emanuel Tanay , MD
   Wayne State University
   Ann Arbor , Michigan



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Marvelous post!

Thanks!

On Sep 6, 2009, at 8:27 PM, Rev Fever wrote:

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> Please let others know about it, far and wide. This is an idea that  
> needs to spread...
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Hi all,

While to be honest, the article DOES have some prominent historical  
omissions, (the absence of USA and UK military "sins" of colonialism,  
military-adventurism and covert geo-political "meddling" being only  
the most glaring) it's main point is absolutely and totally spot on.

That's why (after reading it here) I posted a link to the original  
this morning on Facebook as part of a comment there.

I say "original" because, like a lot of things on the net, this  
article was NOT by "Emanuel Tanay, MD" as it turns out.

A little bit of investigation does wonders.

It was written in 2006 and posted first here: <http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2006/02/why-peaceful-majority-is-irrelevant.html 
 >

The honored Dr. Tanay is a very real and prominent person (and a  
holocaust survivor to boot).

He apparently read the article and shared it with others . . . and at  
some point in the chain of continued online sharing it eventually got  
attributed to him.

It was written by a Canadian gentleman and politico-blogger, Paul  
Marek, who (ironically) comes from the conservative side of the  
spectrum himself.

Funny how things happen isn't it?

However, the first thing that struck me about the article (besides the  
general verity of its thesis) was how much it reminded me of the way  
certain parties have so recently been behaving at those health-care  
reform "town-hall" meetings being held around the US.

We've got shouting angry mobs showing up, carrying sticks, waving  
signs (with some even wearing side-arms) calling Obama a grandma- 
killing Nazi while themselves behaving like Brownshirts.

Go figure, but it's true.

The world keeps turning and history keeps repeating itself.

Where are the rational voices (assuming there sill are some) on the  
conservative thinking side of things who will stand up and call these  
people what they are?

I am not a raving liberal myself.

I am smack dab in the middle, personally, aiming to think clearly and  
do what's right, and only leaning somewhat to the left.

When it comes to politicians, I am nobody's "true believer."

But before we tear apart the article for what it leaves out (and it's  
glaring OFF-TOPIC-NESS) let us all consider what it **SAYS**.

That's the point.

Isn't it?

Best,

Ted Killian


On Sep 7, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Tim Watson wrote:

> Subject: Fwd: NOT A JOKE History of : Fanatics

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Well said, Ted.

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>wr=
ote:

> Hi all,
>
> While to be honest, the article DOES have some prominent historical
> omissions, (the absence of USA and UK military "sins" of colonialism,
> military-adventurism and covert geo-political "meddling" being only the m=
ost
> glaring) it's main point is absolutely and totally spot on.
>
> That's why (after reading it here) I posted a link to the original this
> morning on Facebook as part of a comment there.
>
> I say "original" because, like a lot of things on the net, this article w=
as
> NOT by "Emanuel Tanay, MD" as it turns out.
>
> A little bit of investigation does wonders.
>
> It was written in 2006 and posted first here: <
> http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2006/02/why-peaceful-majority-is-irrelevant.htm=
l
> >
>
> The honored Dr. Tanay is a very real and prominent person (and a holocaus=
t
> survivor to boot).
>
> He apparently read the article and shared it with others . . . and at som=
e
> point in the chain of continued online sharing it eventually got attribut=
ed
> to him.
>
> It was written by a Canadian gentleman and politico-blogger, Paul Marek,
> who (ironically) comes from the conservative side of the spectrum himself=
.
>
> Funny how things happen isn't it?
>
> However, the first thing that struck me about the article (besides the
> general verity of its thesis) was how much it reminded me of the way cert=
ain
> parties have so recently been behaving at those health-care reform
> "town-hall" meetings being held around the US.
>
> We've got shouting angry mobs showing up, carrying sticks, waving signs
> (with some even wearing side-arms) calling Obama a grandma-killing Nazi
> while themselves behaving like Brownshirts.
>
> Go figure, but it's true.
>
> The world keeps turning and history keeps repeating itself.
>
> Where are the rational voices (assuming there sill are some) on the
> conservative thinking side of things who will stand up and call these peo=
ple
> what they are?
>
> I am not a raving liberal myself.
>
> I am smack dab in the middle, personally, aiming to think clearly and do
> what's right, and only leaning somewhat to the left.
>
> When it comes to politicians, I am nobody's "true believer."
>
> But before we tear apart the article for what it leaves out (and it's
> glaring OFF-TOPIC-NESS) let us all consider what it **SAYS**.
>
> That's the point.
>
> Isn't it?
>
> Best,
>
> Ted Killian
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Tim Watson wrote:
>
>  Subject: Fwd: NOT A JOKE History of : Fanatics
>>
>
>


--=20
-George

http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic

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Well said, Ted.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10=
:34 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tedkillian@=
charter.net">tedkillian@charter.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); mar=
gin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi all,<br>
<br>
While to be honest, the article DOES have some prominent historical omissio=
ns, (the absence of USA and UK military &quot;sins&quot; of colonialism, mi=
litary-adventurism and covert geo-political &quot;meddling&quot; being only=
 the most glaring) it&#39;s main point is absolutely and totally spot on.<b=
r>

<br>
That&#39;s why (after reading it here) I posted a link to the original this=
 morning on Facebook as part of a comment there.<br>
<br>
I say &quot;original&quot; because, like a lot of things on the net, this a=
rticle was NOT by &quot;Emanuel Tanay, MD&quot; as it turns out.<br>
<br>
A little bit of investigation does wonders.<br>
<br>
It was written in 2006 and posted first here: &lt;<a href=3D"http://cjunk.b=
logspot.com/2006/02/why-peaceful-majority-is-irrelevant.html" target=3D"_bl=
ank">http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2006/02/why-peaceful-majority-is-irrelevant.=
html</a>&gt;<br>

<br>
The honored Dr. Tanay is a very real and prominent person (and a holocaust =
survivor to boot).<br>
<br>
He apparently read the article and shared it with others . . . and at some =
point in the chain of continued online sharing it eventually got attributed=
 to him.<br>
<br>
It was written by a Canadian gentleman and politico-blogger, Paul Marek, wh=
o (ironically) comes from the conservative side of the spectrum himself.<br=
>
<br>
Funny how things happen isn&#39;t it?<br>
<br>
However, the first thing that struck me about the article (besides the gene=
ral verity of its thesis) was how much it reminded me of the way certain pa=
rties have so recently been behaving at those health-care reform &quot;town=
-hall&quot; meetings being held around the US.<br>

<br>
We&#39;ve got shouting angry mobs showing up, carrying sticks, waving signs=
 (with some even wearing side-arms) calling Obama a grandma-killing Nazi wh=
ile themselves behaving like Brownshirts.<br>
<br>
Go figure, but it&#39;s true.<br>
<br>
The world keeps turning and history keeps repeating itself.<br>
<br>
Where are the rational voices (assuming there sill are some) on the conserv=
ative thinking side of things who will stand up and call these people what =
they are?<br>
<br>
I am not a raving liberal myself.<br>
<br>
I am smack dab in the middle, personally, aiming to think clearly and do wh=
at&#39;s right, and only leaning somewhat to the left.<br>
<br>
When it comes to politicians, I am nobody&#39;s &quot;true believer.&quot;<=
br>
<br>
But before we tear apart the article for what it leaves out (and it&#39;s g=
laring OFF-TOPIC-NESS) let us all consider what it **SAYS**.<br>
<br>
That&#39;s the point.<br>
<br>
Isn&#39;t it?<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Ted Killian<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sep 7, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Tim Watson wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Subject: Fwd: NOT A JOKE History of : Fanatics<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>-George<br><br><a href=
=3D"http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic">http://www.myspace.com/george=
ludwigmusic</a><br>

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Hmmmm. Seem to be in the wrong loop here.....
Fanatics? Bad news, whatever the flavour; muslim, christian, hindi, 
buddhist, zionist, US, UK, U2, UI....
What's it got to do with this forum though?
Free the bandwidth!
Dave



George Ludwig wrote:
> Well said, Ted.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, tEd ® KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net 
> <mailto:tedkillian@charter.net>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi all,
> 
>     While to be honest, the article DOES have some prominent historical
>     omissions, (the absence of USA and UK military "sins" of
>     colonialism, military-adventurism and covert geo-political
>     "meddling" being only the most glaring) it's main point is
>     absolutely and totally spot on.
> 
>     That's why (after reading it here) I posted a link to the original
>     this morning on Facebook as part of a comment there.
> 
>     I say "original" because, like a lot of things on the net, this
>     article was NOT by "Emanuel Tanay, MD" as it turns out.
> 
>     A little bit of investigation does wonders.
> 
>     It was written in 2006 and posted first here:
>     <http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2006/02/why-peaceful-majority-is-irrelevant.html>
> 
>     The honored Dr. Tanay is a very real and prominent person (and a
>     holocaust survivor to boot).
> 
>     He apparently read the article and shared it with others . . . and
>     at some point in the chain of continued online sharing it eventually
>     got attributed to him.
> 
>     It was written by a Canadian gentleman and politico-blogger, Paul
>     Marek, who (ironically) comes from the conservative side of the
>     spectrum himself.
> 
>     Funny how things happen isn't it?
> 
>     However, the first thing that struck me about the article (besides
>     the general verity of its thesis) was how much it reminded me of the
>     way certain parties have so recently been behaving at those
>     health-care reform "town-hall" meetings being held around the US.
> 
>     We've got shouting angry mobs showing up, carrying sticks, waving
>     signs (with some even wearing side-arms) calling Obama a
>     grandma-killing Nazi while themselves behaving like Brownshirts.
> 
>     Go figure, but it's true.
> 
>     The world keeps turning and history keeps repeating itself.
> 
>     Where are the rational voices (assuming there sill are some) on the
>     conservative thinking side of things who will stand up and call
>     these people what they are?
> 
>     I am not a raving liberal myself.
> 
>     I am smack dab in the middle, personally, aiming to think clearly
>     and do what's right, and only leaning somewhat to the left.
> 
>     When it comes to politicians, I am nobody's "true believer."
> 
>     But before we tear apart the article for what it leaves out (and
>     it's glaring OFF-TOPIC-NESS) let us all consider what it **SAYS**.
> 
>     That's the point.
> 
>     Isn't it?
> 
>     Best,
> 
>     Ted Killian
> 
> 
>     On Sep 7, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Tim Watson wrote:
> 
>         Subject: Fwd: NOT A JOKE History of : Fanatics
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -George
> 
> http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic
> 
> 
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hi there
Does anyone use albeton live to use to trigger loops in a live or 
recording enviroment

I use a  4 second digital pedal and recently bought a new  digitech 
jamman which suits my setup.
.
regards
roger 

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frankly, i'm not surprised that the writer leans right - i would be =20
surprised if it were written by someone on the left. apart from all =20
the militarism in the usa and uk, there's also cultural imperialism, =20
if you know what i mean. that in itself is sinister enough, but =20
there's something even worse with religious fanaticism, regardless of =20=

the religion - all of that "god on our side" crap.

back to looping (or in my case, learning to loop)

On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:38 PM, George Ludwig wrote:

> Well said, Ted.
>
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn =20
> <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> While to be honest, the article DOES have some prominent historical =20=

> omissions, (the absence of USA and UK military "sins" of =20
> colonialism, military-adventurism and covert geo-political =20
> "meddling" being only the most glaring) it's main point is =20
> absolutely and totally spot on.
>
> That's why (after reading it here) I posted a link to the original =20
> this morning on Facebook as part of a comment there.
>
> I say "original" because, like a lot of things on the net, this =20
> article was NOT by "Emanuel Tanay, MD" as it turns out.
>
> A little bit of investigation does wonders.
>
> It was written in 2006 and posted first here: =
<http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2006/02/why-peaceful-majority-is-irrelevant.htm=
l=20
> >
>
> The honored Dr. Tanay is a very real and prominent person (and a =20
> holocaust survivor to boot).
>
> He apparently read the article and shared it with others . . . and =20
> at some point in the chain of continued online sharing it eventually =20=

> got attributed to him.
>
> It was written by a Canadian gentleman and politico-blogger, Paul =20
> Marek, who (ironically) comes from the conservative side of the =20
> spectrum himself.
>
> Funny how things happen isn't it?
>
> However, the first thing that struck me about the article (besides =20
> the general verity of its thesis) was how much it reminded me of the =20=

> way certain parties have so recently been behaving at those health-=20
> care reform "town-hall" meetings being held around the US.
>
> We've got shouting angry mobs showing up, carrying sticks, waving =20
> signs (with some even wearing side-arms) calling Obama a grandma-=20
> killing Nazi while themselves behaving like Brownshirts.
>
> Go figure, but it's true.
>
> The world keeps turning and history keeps repeating itself.
>
> Where are the rational voices (assuming there sill are some) on the =20=

> conservative thinking side of things who will stand up and call =20
> these people what they are?
>
> I am not a raving liberal myself.
>
> I am smack dab in the middle, personally, aiming to think clearly =20
> and do what's right, and only leaning somewhat to the left.
>
> When it comes to politicians, I am nobody's "true believer."
>
> But before we tear apart the article for what it leaves out (and =20
> it's glaring OFF-TOPIC-NESS) let us all consider what it **SAYS**.
>
> That's the point.
>
> Isn't it?
>
> Best,
>
> Ted Killian
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Tim Watson wrote:
>
> Subject: Fwd: NOT A JOKE History of : Fanatics
>
>
>
>
> --=20
> -George
>
> http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic


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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">frankly, i'm not surprised that =
the writer leans right - i would be surprised if it were written by =
someone on the left. apart from all the militarism in the usa and uk, =
there's also cultural imperialism, if you know what i mean. that in =
itself is sinister enough, but there's something even worse with =
religious fanaticism, regardless of the religion - all of that "god on =
our side" crap.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>back to looping (or in my case, =
learning to loop)</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:38 PM, =
George Ludwig wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Well said, =
Ted.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, =
tEd =AE KiLLiAn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:tedkillian@charter.net">tedkillian@charter.net</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px =
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: =
1ex;"> Hi all,<br> <br> While to be honest, the article DOES have some =
prominent historical omissions, (the absence of USA and UK military =
"sins" of colonialism, military-adventurism and covert geo-political =
"meddling" being only the most glaring) it's main point is absolutely =
and totally spot on.<br> <br> That's why (after reading it here) I =
posted a link to the original this morning on Facebook as part of a =
comment there.<br> <br> I say "original" because, like a lot of things =
on the net, this article was NOT by "Emanuel Tanay, MD" as it turns =
out.<br> <br> A little bit of investigation does wonders.<br> <br> It =
was written in 2006 and posted first here: &lt;<a =
href=3D"http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2006/02/why-peaceful-majority-is-irrelev=
ant.html" =
target=3D"_blank">http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2006/02/why-peaceful-majority-=
is-irrelevant.html</a>&gt;<br> <br> The honored Dr. Tanay is a very real =
and prominent person (and a holocaust survivor to boot).<br> <br> He =
apparently read the article and shared it with others . . . and at some =
point in the chain of continued online sharing it eventually got =
attributed to him.<br> <br> It was written by a Canadian gentleman and =
politico-blogger, Paul Marek, who (ironically) comes from the =
conservative side of the spectrum himself.<br> <br> Funny how things =
happen isn't it?<br> <br> However, the first thing that struck me about =
the article (besides the general verity of its thesis) was how much it =
reminded me of the way certain parties have so recently been behaving at =
those health-care reform "town-hall" meetings being held around the =
US.<br> <br> We've got shouting angry mobs showing up, carrying sticks, =
waving signs (with some even wearing side-arms) calling Obama a =
grandma-killing Nazi while themselves behaving like Brownshirts.<br> =
<br> Go figure, but it's true.<br> <br> The world keeps turning and =
history keeps repeating itself.<br> <br> Where are the rational voices =
(assuming there sill are some) on the conservative thinking side of =
things who will stand up and call these people what they are?<br> <br> I =
am not a raving liberal myself.<br> <br> I am smack dab in the middle, =
personally, aiming to think clearly and do what's right, and only =
leaning somewhat to the left.<br> <br> When it comes to politicians, I =
am nobody's "true believer."<br> <br> But before we tear apart the =
article for what it leaves out (and it's glaring OFF-TOPIC-NESS) let us =
all consider what it **SAYS**.<br> <br> That's the point.<br> <br> Isn't =
it?<br> <br> Best,<br> <br> Ted Killian<br> <br> <br> On Sep 7, 2009, at =
4:39 AM, Tim Watson wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt =
0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Subject: Fwd: NOT A JOKE History of : =
Fanatics<br> </blockquote> <br> </blockquote></div><br><br =
clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>-George<br><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic">http://www.myspace.com/g=
eorgeludwigmusic</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>=

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hi Dave,
honest, this sort of political Off Topic thread doesn't 
turn up here very often.

andy


Dave Draper wrote:
> Hmmmm. Seem to be in the wrong loop here.....
> Fanatics? Bad news, whatever the flavour; muslim, christian, hindi, 
> buddhist, zionist, US, UK, U2, UI....
> What's it got to do with this forum though?
> Free the bandwidth!
> Dave
> 
> 
> 

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On Sep 2, 2009, at 2:34 PM, William Walker wrote:

> I really like my Gordius Little giant, I=92ve gotten used to the =20
> proximity of the upper tier switches to the lower tier,   I was =20
> surprised to see Rocktron=92s All access flagship model list for over =20=

> $1000, though it has many switches. I=92m curious, Mark H,  what flaws =
=20
> you find in the Ground Control Pro? It seems pretty full featured =20
> and very well built.
> I mentioned this a while back as something for someone who only =20
> wanted a couple of switches but also expression pedal capability =
http://www.rocktron.com/frameset1.html
> Bill

My problem with the GCPro is that from what I can see it's mostly =20
focused on program switching and the specs read like it may filter out =20=

extra program sends. Since I'm looking for something to control a =20
Looperlative (or an EDP), what I mostly want are CC messages.

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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
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font-weight: bold; ">I really like my Gordius Little giant, I=92ve =
gotten used to the proximity of the upper tier switches to the lower =
tier,&nbsp; &nbsp;I was surprised to see Rocktron=92s All access =
flagship model list for over $1000, though it has many switches. I=92m =
curious, Mark H, &nbsp;what flaws you find in the Ground Control Pro? It =
seems pretty full featured and very well =
built.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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someone who only wanted a couple of switches but also expression pedal =
capability<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
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mostly focused on program switching and the specs read like it may =
filter out extra program sends. Since I'm looking for something to =
control a Looperlative (or an EDP), what I mostly want are CC =
messages.</div><div><br></div><div>Mark</div><div><br></div></body></html>=

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Well, this one was handy because it came with over 200 email addresses!

I have no use for them, but thought I'd point out the boon to  
information/data collectors.

R
richard sales
www.glasswing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:08 PM, andy butler wrote:

> hi Dave,
> honest, this sort of political Off Topic thread doesn't turn up here  
> very often.
>
> andy
>
>
> Dave Draper wrote:
>> Hmmmm. Seem to be in the wrong loop here.....
>> Fanatics? Bad news, whatever the flavour; muslim, christian, hindi,  
>> buddhist, zionist, US, UK, U2, UI....
>> What's it got to do with this forum though?
>> Free the bandwidth!
>> Dave
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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well, this one was handy =
because it came with over 200 email addresses! =
&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I have no use for them, but thought I'd point =
out the boon to information/data =
collectors.</div><div><br></div><div>R</div><div><span =
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<div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38"><a =
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span><div><div>On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:08 PM, andy butler wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>hi =
Dave,<br>honest, this sort of political Off Topic thread doesn't turn up =
here very often.<br><br>andy<br><br><br>Dave Draper =
wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hmmmm. Seem to be in the wrong loop =
here.....<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Fanatics? Bad news, =
whatever the flavour; muslim, christian, hindi, buddhist, zionist, US, =
UK, U2, UI....<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">What's it got =
to do with this forum though?<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Free the bandwidth!<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Dave<br></blockquote><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div =
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Rick - maybe you should start saving...

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Attention Winner,

Today your e-mail id was selected through the computer ballot system,as a winner of our Microsoft online lottery program.

You have to contact your claim agent for your payment process and include your personal information for smooth transaction. 

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From: Solomon Jomo. 
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Email: Solomon_jomo@live.com
 
 
Dear Sir/Madam, 
  
Don't be surprised to receive this letter from me since you don't know me in person. I am MR. SOLOMON JOMO from Zimbabwe the first Son of MR.NDULOV JOMO who was murdered in the land dispute in Zimbabwe by the agents of the ruling government of President ROBERT MUGABE, you must have heard his alleged support and sympathy for the opposition MDC PARTY led by the minority white farmers. 
  
My Father was among the few black Zimbabwean rich farmers murdered in cold blood by the war veterans backed by the government. Before the death of my Father, he deposited the sum of US$35,000,000.00 (Thirty Five Million United State Dollars) with one of the security company in South Africa, as if he knew the looming danger in ZIMBABWE. The money was deposited as a gem and precious stones to avoid much attraction & demurrage from the security firm. The money was earmarked for the purchase of new machinery and chemicals for the farms and the establishment of new farms in Lesotho and Swaziland before the regretted incident. 
  
This Land problem arose when President Robert Mugabe introduced a new land act. Which wholly affects the white rich farmers and some few blacks vehemently condemned the "Modus operandi" adopted by the government. 
  
This resulted to rampart killing and Mob actions. My mother and I are staying in South Africa now as Asylum seekers, which have not been beneficial to us; I have decided to transfer this money to a foreign country where we can invest it. I am faced with the dilemma of investing this amount of money in South Africa for fear of encountering the same experience in future since both countries have the same political policy and also law does not permit us to investment hence we’re refugees. 
 
I must let you know that this business is 100% risk free and the nature of your business does not necessarily matter, you can help us if you wish. I and my family have agreed to give you 25% of the total US$35M, 5% will be mapped out for all expenses that maybe incurred during the transfer and 70% will be for me and my family’s investment in your country. Therefore if you are willing and interested to render the needed assistance, endeavor to reply through this private mail Address for more brief clarifications. I also need your private mobile, telephone and fax numbers for easy communication. Remember; this is highly confidential and the success of this business depends on how secret it is kept. View this Website:(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/715001.stm)(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6448559.stm) 
  
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<BR><BR><STRONG>From: Solomon Jomo. <BR>No.04 Chester Court, 145 Jan Smuts Ave <BR>Opp. Goodman Gallery, Parkwood, JHB <BR>P.O.Box1105 Saxonwold, 2132. <BR>Tel; +27 836 950 441 <BR>Email</STRONG>: <A href="mailto:Solomon_jomo@live.com"><FONT color=#0066cc>Solomon_jomo@live.com</FONT></A><BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Dear Sir/Madam, <BR>&nbsp; <BR>Don't be surprised to receive this letter from me since you don't know me in person. I am MR. SOLOMON JOMO from Zimbabwe the first Son of MR.NDULOV JOMO who was murdered in the land dispute in Zimbabwe by the agents of the ruling government of President ROBERT MUGABE, you must have heard his alleged support and sympathy for the opposition MDC PARTY led by the minority white farmers. <BR>&nbsp; <BR>My Father was among the few black Zimbabwean rich farmers murdered in cold blood by the war veterans backed by the government. Before the death of my Father, he deposited the sum of US$35,000,000.00 (Thirty Five Million United State Dollars) with one of the security company in South Africa, as if he knew the looming danger in ZIMBABWE. The money was deposited as a gem and precious stones to avoid much attraction &amp; demurrage from the security firm. The money was earmarked for the purchase of new machinery and chemicals for the farms and the establishment of new farms in Lesotho and Swaziland before the regretted incident. <BR>&nbsp; <BR>This Land problem arose when President Robert Mugabe introduced a new land act. Which wholly affects the white rich farmers and some few blacks vehemently condemned the "Modus operandi" adopted by the government. <BR>&nbsp; <BR>This resulted to rampart killing and Mob actions. My mother and I are staying in South Africa now as Asylum seekers, which have not been beneficial to us; I have decided to transfer this money to a foreign country where we can invest it. I am faced with the dilemma of investing this amount of money in South Africa for fear of encountering the same experience in future since both countries have the same political policy and also law does not permit us to investment hence we’re refugees. <BR>&nbsp;<BR>I must let you know that this business is 100% risk free and the nature of your business does not necessarily matter, you can help us if you wish. I and my family have agreed to give you 25% of the total US$35M, 5% will be mapped out for all expenses that maybe incurred during the transfer and 70% will be for me and my family’s investment in your country. Therefore if you are willing and interested to render the needed assistance, endeavor to reply through this private mail Address for more brief clarifications. I also need your private mobile, telephone and fax numbers for easy communication. Remember; this is highly confidential and the success of this business depends on how secret it is kept. View this Website:(<A href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/715001.stm)(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6448559.stm"><FONT color=#0066cc>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/715001.stm)(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6448559.stm</FONT></A>) <BR>&nbsp; <BR>Expecting your reply soonest. <BR>Best regards, <BR>MR.SOLOMON JOMO (FOR THE FAMILY)<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></body>
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From: Solomon Jomo. 
No.04 Chester Court, 145 Jan Smuts Ave 
Opp. Goodman Gallery, Parkwood, JHB 
P.O.Box1105 Saxonwold, 2132. 
Tel; +27 836 950 441 
Email: Solomon_jomo@live.com
 
 
Dear Sir/Madam, 
  
Don't be surprised to receive this letter from me since you don't know me in person. I am MR. SOLOMON JOMO from Zimbabwe the first Son of MR.NDULOV JOMO who was murdered in the land dispute in Zimbabwe by the agents of the ruling government of President ROBERT MUGABE, you must have heard his alleged support and sympathy for the opposition MDC PARTY led by the minority white farmers. 
  
My Father was among the few black Zimbabwean rich farmers murdered in cold blood by the war veterans backed by the government. Before the death of my Father, he deposited the sum of US$35,000,000.00 (Thirty Five Million United State Dollars) with one of the security company in South Africa, as if he knew the looming danger in ZIMBABWE. The money was deposited as a gem and precious stones to avoid much attraction & demurrage from the security firm. The money was earmarked for the purchase of new machinery and chemicals for the farms and the establishment of new farms in Lesotho and Swaziland before the regretted incident. 
  
This Land problem arose when President Robert Mugabe introduced a new land act. Which wholly affects the white rich farmers and some few blacks vehemently condemned the "Modus operandi" adopted by the government. 
  
This resulted to rampart killing and Mob actions. My mother and I are staying in South Africa now as Asylum seekers, which have not been beneficial to us; I have decided to transfer this money to a foreign country where we can invest it. I am faced with the dilemma of investing this amount of money in South Africa for fear of encountering the same experience in future since both countries have the same political policy and also law does not permit us to investment hence we’re refugees. 
 
I must let you know that this business is 100% risk free and the nature of your business does not necessarily matter, you can help us if you wish. I and my family have agreed to give you 25% of the total US$35M, 5% will be mapped out for all expenses that maybe incurred during the transfer and 70% will be for me and my family’s investment in your country. Therefore if you are willing and interested to render the needed assistance, endeavor to reply through this private mail Address for more brief clarifications. I also need your private mobile, telephone and fax numbers for easy communication. Remember; this is highly confidential and the success of this business depends on how secret it is kept. View this Website:(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/715001.stm)(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6448559.stm) 
  
Expecting your reply soonest. 
Best regards, 
MR.SOLOMON JOMO (FOR THE FAMILY)





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<BR><BR><STRONG>From: Solomon Jomo. <BR>No.04 Chester Court, 145 Jan Smuts Ave <BR>Opp. Goodman Gallery, Parkwood, JHB <BR>P.O.Box1105 Saxonwold, 2132. <BR>Tel; +27 836 950 441 <BR>Email</STRONG>: <A href="mailto:Solomon_jomo@live.com"><FONT color=#0066cc>Solomon_jomo@live.com</FONT></A><BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Dear Sir/Madam, <BR>&nbsp; <BR>Don't be surprised to receive this letter from me since you don't know me in person. I am MR. SOLOMON JOMO from Zimbabwe the first Son of MR.NDULOV JOMO who was murdered in the land dispute in Zimbabwe by the agents of the ruling government of President ROBERT MUGABE, you must have heard his alleged support and sympathy for the opposition MDC PARTY led by the minority white farmers. <BR>&nbsp; <BR>My Father was among the few black Zimbabwean rich farmers murdered in cold blood by the war veterans backed by the government. Before the death of my Father, he deposited the sum of US$35,000,000.00 (Thirty Five Million United State Dollars) with one of the security company in South Africa, as if he knew the looming danger in ZIMBABWE. The money was deposited as a gem and precious stones to avoid much attraction &amp; demurrage from the security firm. The money was earmarked for the purchase of new machinery and chemicals for the farms and the establishment of new farms in Lesotho and Swaziland before the regretted incident. <BR>&nbsp; <BR>This Land problem arose when President Robert Mugabe introduced a new land act. Which wholly affects the white rich farmers and some few blacks vehemently condemned the "Modus operandi" adopted by the government. <BR>&nbsp; <BR>This resulted to rampart killing and Mob actions. My mother and I are staying in South Africa now as Asylum seekers, which have not been beneficial to us; I have decided to transfer this money to a foreign country where we can invest it. I am faced with the dilemma of investing this amount of money in South Africa for fear of encountering the same experience in future since both countries have the same political policy and also law does not permit us to investment hence we’re refugees. <BR>&nbsp;<BR>I must let you know that this business is 100% risk free and the nature of your business does not necessarily matter, you can help us if you wish. I and my family have agreed to give you 25% of the total US$35M, 5% will be mapped out for all expenses that maybe incurred during the transfer and 70% will be for me and my family’s investment in your country. Therefore if you are willing and interested to render the needed assistance, endeavor to reply through this private mail Address for more brief clarifications. I also need your private mobile, telephone and fax numbers for easy communication. Remember; this is highly confidential and the success of this business depends on how secret it is kept. View this Website:(<A href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/715001.stm)(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6448559.stm"><FONT color=#0066cc>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/715001.stm)(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6448559.stm</FONT></A>) <BR>&nbsp; <BR>Expecting your reply soonest. <BR>Best regards, <BR>MR.SOLOMON JOMO (FOR THE FAMILY)<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></body>
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Attention:Sir/Madam,

On behalf of the Trustees and Executor of The Estate of Late Mr.Bernard Poirier I once again try to notify you as my earlier letter was returned undelivered. I hereby attempt to reach you again by this same email address on the WILL. I wish to notify you that late Mr.Bernard Poirier left the sum of Twelve Million, Five Hundred Thousand United State Dollars (USD$12, 500,000.00)and i intend to make you the beneficiary of the Will 

you can confirm is death on the website below  
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/world/americas/502503.stm)
i shall be compensating you with 40% of the total sum for standing as the beneficiary while 60% is for me the initiator 
in your response to this email i will bring you into more picture on how we are going to claim the funds without any hurdle and this 
project is 100% risk free


Barrister Brian Olsen

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I really love this accapella Live looping vid from Ustream. Thought I would 
pass it on.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1789657


Jeff 

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A few new interesting items up for sale. I am cleaning out my vintage and
unusual pedal collection. (which include a 60s Heathkit Distortion/booster
and an original 60s Maestro Fuzztone- email fair offers for those or more
info).

So far I have gotten to these:

1. Swollen Pickle Fuzz. As new in box with all papers, etc. amazing Fuzz
worth it's weight in Big Muffs and then some. great sustain, lots of low
end, and note clairty on top of it all. tweakable with filter and gain
controls on the top and two easy to reach trimpots inside. Amazing varitey
of tones available and all fit nicely in a mix on drums, vocals, or
Geetar. $135

2. Original Zvex Fuzz Factory converted to Doepfer Euro Modular format.
Yes, this is a real Fuzz Factory (one of the earlier hand painted ones if
that makes a difference). the previous owner mounted and wired it up to
work in a Euro Modular. Levels are good and sound is amazing. Any diyer
could revert this to it's original stompbox glory but why? it's a one of
one waveshaper for your modular! $135

3. Vintage Ibanez AD9 analog delay. Made in japan in the 1980s. Original
"9" series. Smooth dubby analog delay with classic feedback. Awesome for
slapback and drum machines as well as any damn stringed instrument (used
on cello in it's life). Good shape, 100% working with battery cover and no
velcro or gunk. $110

There are more pedals, synths, etc and full pictures of the above up at:
http://helpwantedproductions.com/Salez/FS.htm

I think prices are fair but if you make the sale super easy or buy a few
things I'll deal with reasonable offers. I accept pickup (phila pa), USPS
MO, or paypal from confirmed accounts (buyer pays PP fees).

Any questions? Let me know. Thanks!


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It has been so quiet on the list that I thought...let's upload some
music. Here's a 10 minute excerpt of the new project I'm working
called Premonition Factory. Enjoy :)

http://euroloopfest.com/premonitionfactory/demos/01_090909.mp3

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http://livelooping.be/
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> I really love this accapella Live looping vid from Ustream. Thought I would
> pass it on.

I agree. She used to have some great tracks on myspace as well.
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Very nice, the perfect soundtrack to the end of the working day here.

Thanks

Kevin

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw<tcplugin@gmail.com> wrote:
> It has been so quiet on the list that I thought...let's upload some
> music. Here's a 10 minute excerpt of the new project I'm working
> called Premonition Factory. Enjoy :)
>
> http://euroloopfest.com/premonitionfactory/demos/01_090909.mp3
>
> --
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>
>



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On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando<kevin@minds-eye.org> wrote:
> Very nice, the perfect soundtrack to the end of the working day here.

Thanks Kevin!

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really great, don't know if you had already invited her to apply for VSV but
I just did in a comment, she should be in the mix for that day...

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really great, don&#39;t know if you had already invited her to apply for VSV but I just did in a comment, she should be in the mix for that day...<br><br>

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beautiful voice, great intonation (i know it's difficult to layer tonal
voice loops) although very basic loopage.

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beautiful voice, great intonation (i know it&#39;s difficult to layer tonal voice loops) although very basic loopage.<br><br clear="all">-- <br>Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href="http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br>
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Okay, this could be kinda cool...

http://www.d-touch.org/audio/

"Audio d-touch is a collection of applications for real-time musical 
composition and performance, with very special user interfaces. The 
collection includes a drum machine and a sampling sequencer, both are 
controlled by spatially arranging physical objects on an interactive 
table surface. Each object represents a sound, and its position with 
respect to the surface is mapped to certain playback parameters...."

Watch the video.  It's kinda like a cheap, DIY set of audiocubes, or 
some other visual/physical interaction device.

It might be a little unwieldy, but I think it could possibly be used 
for Live Looping performances, given a little customization.  It 
would probably be excellent for vocal loopers and other performers 
who have their hands free.  Plus, you can probably run a parallel 
feed off the webcam and give your audience something visual as well.

I know the Max/MSP set will be quick to jump in and point out that 
this sort of thing has been available with Jitter for a while.  I 
know, I know.  But not all of us can program in Max (yet!) and, heck, 
this is free...  ;)

	--m.
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looks like a chinese reactable ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm_FzLya8y4

2009/9/9 Mech <mech@m3ch.net>

> Okay, this could be kinda cool...
>
> http://www.d-touch.org/audio/
>
> "Audio d-touch is a collection of applications for real-time musical
> composition and performance, with very special user interfaces. The
> collection includes a drum machine and a sampling sequencer, both are
> controlled by spatially arranging physical objects on an interactive table
> surface. Each object represents a sound, and its position with respect to
> the surface is mapped to certain playback parameters...."
>
> Watch the video.  It's kinda like a cheap, DIY set of audiocubes, or some
> other visual/physical interaction device.
>
> It might be a little unwieldy, but I think it could possibly be used for
> Live Looping performances, given a little customization.  It would probably
> be excellent for vocal loopers and other performers who have their hands
> free.  Plus, you can probably run a parallel feed off the webcam and give
> your audience something visual as well.
>
> I know the Max/MSP set will be quick to jump in and point out that this
> sort of thing has been available with Jitter for a while.  I know, I know.
>  But not all of us can program in Max (yet!) and, heck, this is free...  ;)
>
>        --m.
> --
> _____
> "beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a halt
>   beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me...."
>
>


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looks like a chinese reactable ... <br><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.co=
m/watch?v=3Dvm_FzLya8y4">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dvm_FzLya8y4</a><b=
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f=3D"mailto:mech@m3ch.net">mech@m3ch.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Okay, this could =
be kinda cool...<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.d-touch.org/audio/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.d-to=
uch.org/audio/</a><br>
<br>
&quot;Audio d-touch is a collection of applications for real-time musical c=
omposition and performance, with very special user interfaces. The collecti=
on includes a drum machine and a sampling sequencer, both are controlled by=
 spatially arranging physical objects on an interactive table surface. Each=
 object represents a sound, and its position with respect to the surface is=
 mapped to certain playback parameters....&quot;<br>

<br>
Watch the video. =A0It&#39;s kinda like a cheap, DIY set of audiocubes, or =
some other visual/physical interaction device.<br>
<br>
It might be a little unwieldy, but I think it could possibly be used for Li=
ve Looping performances, given a little customization. =A0It would probably=
 be excellent for vocal loopers and other performers who have their hands f=
ree. =A0Plus, you can probably run a parallel feed off the webcam and give =
your audience something visual as well.<br>

<br>
I know the Max/MSP set will be quick to jump in and point out that this sor=
t of thing has been available with Jitter for a while. =A0I know, I know. =
=A0But not all of us can program in Max (yet!) and, heck, this is free... =
=A0;)<br>

<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m.<br><font color=3D"#888888">
-- <br>
_____<br>
&quot;beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a hal=
t<br>
 =A0 beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me....&quot;=
<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at B=
logger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogsp=
ot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.co=
m">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
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Reactable!  Yeah, I knew there was a better product for comparison 
than the Percussa Audiocubes, but couldn't recall what it was at that 
moment.

Thanks for jogging my memory, Raul!  :)

(p.s. wasn't the reactable like wicked expensive when it finally came 
out? i know the audiocubes ain't exactly cheap.)

	--m.


At 7:08 AM +0200 9/9/09, Raul Bonell wrote:
>looks like a chinese reactable ...
>
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm_FzLya8y4>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm_FzLya8y4
>
>2009/9/9 Mech <<mailto:mech@m3ch.net>mech@m3ch.net>
>
>Okay, this could be kinda cool...
>
><http://www.d-touch.org/audio/>http://www.d-touch.org/audio/
>
>"Audio d-touch is a collection of applications for real-time musical 
>composition and performance, with very special user interfaces. The 
>collection includes a drum machine and a sampling sequencer, both 
>are controlled by spatially arranging physical objects on an 
>interactive table surface. Each object represents a sound, and its 
>position with respect to the surface is mapped to certain playback 
>parameters...."
>
>Watch the video.  It's kinda like a cheap, DIY set of audiocubes, or 
>some other visual/physical interaction device.
>
>It might be a little unwieldy, but I think it could possibly be used 
>for Live Looping performances, given a little customization.  It 
>would probably be excellent for vocal loopers and other performers 
>who have their hands free.  Plus, you can probably run a parallel 
>feed off the webcam and give your audience something visual as well.
>
>I know the Max/MSP set will be quick to jump in and point out that 
>this sort of thing has been available with Jitter for a while.  I 
>know, I know.  But not all of us can program in Max (yet!) and, 
>heck, this is free...  ;)
>
>        --m.
>--
>_____
>"beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a halt
>   beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me...."
>
>
>
>
>--
>Raul Bonell at Blogger: 
><http://raulbonell.blogspot.com>http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>Chain Tape Collective: 
><http://www.ct-collective.com>http://www.ct-collective.com

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on wiki they say there are just 10 reactables. it was designed here in
barcelona (catalonia) at pompeu fabra university. one of the creators of the
software behind reactable is ross bencina the programmer of modular host,
audiomulch.

2009/9/9 Mech <mech@m3ch.net>

> Reactable!  Yeah, I knew there was a better product for comparison than the
> Percussa Audiocubes, but couldn't recall what it was at that moment.
>
> Thanks for jogging my memory, Raul!  :)
>
> (p.s. wasn't the reactable like wicked expensive when it finally came out?
> i know the audiocubes ain't exactly cheap.)
>
>        --m.
>
>
> At 7:08 AM +0200 9/9/09, Raul Bonell wrote:
>
>> looks like a chinese reactable ...
>>
>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm_FzLya8y4>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm_FzLya8y4
>>
>> 2009/9/9 Mech <<mailto:mech@m3ch.net>mech@m3ch.net>
>>
>> Okay, this could be kinda cool...
>>
>> <http://www.d-touch.org/audio/>http://www.d-touch.org/audio/
>>
>> "Audio d-touch is a collection of applications for real-time musical
>> composition and performance, with very special user interfaces. The
>> collection includes a drum machine and a sampling sequencer, both are
>> controlled by spatially arranging physical objects on an interactive table
>> surface. Each object represents a sound, and its position with respect to
>> the surface is mapped to certain playback parameters...."
>>
>> Watch the video.  It's kinda like a cheap, DIY set of audiocubes, or some
>> other visual/physical interaction device.
>>
>> It might be a little unwieldy, but I think it could possibly be used for
>> Live Looping performances, given a little customization.  It would probably
>> be excellent for vocal loopers and other performers who have their hands
>> free.  Plus, you can probably run a parallel feed off the webcam and give
>> your audience something visual as well.
>>
>> I know the Max/MSP set will be quick to jump in and point out that this
>> sort of thing has been available with Jitter for a while.  I know, I know.
>>  But not all of us can program in Max (yet!) and, heck, this is free...  ;)
>>
>>       --m.
>> --
>> _____
>> "beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a halt
>>  beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me...."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Raul Bonell at Blogger: <http://raulbonell.blogspot.com>
>> http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>> Chain Tape Collective: <http://www.ct-collective.com>
>> http://www.ct-collective.com
>>
>
>


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on wiki they say there are just 10 reactables. it was designed here in barc=
elona (catalonia) at pompeu fabra university. one of the creators of the so=
ftware behind reactable is ross bencina the programmer of modular host, aud=
iomulch. <br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/9 Mech <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:mech@m3ch.net">mech@m3ch.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin=
: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Reactable! =A0Yeah, I knew there was a better product for comparison than t=
he Percussa Audiocubes, but couldn&#39;t recall what it was at that moment.=
<br>
<br>
Thanks for jogging my memory, Raul! =A0:)<br>
<br>
(p.s. wasn&#39;t the reactable like wicked expensive when it finally came o=
ut? i know the audiocubes ain&#39;t exactly cheap.)<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m.<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<br>
At 7:08 AM +0200 9/9/09, Raul Bonell wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb=
(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=
=3D"im">
looks like a chinese reactable ...<br>
<br></div>
&lt;<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dvm_FzLya8y4" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dvm_FzLya8y4</a>&gt;<a href=3D"http://w=
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dvm_FzLya8y4" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.=
com/watch?v=3Dvm_FzLya8y4</a><br>

<br>
2009/9/9 Mech &lt;&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mech@m3ch.net" target=3D"_bl=
ank">mech@m3ch.net</a>&gt;<a href=3D"mailto:mech@m3ch.net" target=3D"_blank=
">mech@m3ch.net</a>&gt;<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
Okay, this could be kinda cool...<br>
<br></div>
&lt;<a href=3D"http://www.d-touch.org/audio/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.=
d-touch.org/audio/</a>&gt;<a href=3D"http://www.d-touch.org/audio/" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.d-touch.org/audio/</a><div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
&quot;Audio d-touch is a collection of applications for real-time musical c=
omposition and performance, with very special user interfaces. The collecti=
on includes a drum machine and a sampling sequencer, both are controlled by=
 spatially arranging physical objects on an interactive table surface. Each=
 object represents a sound, and its position with respect to the surface is=
 mapped to certain playback parameters....&quot;<br>

<br>
Watch the video. =A0It&#39;s kinda like a cheap, DIY set of audiocubes, or =
some other visual/physical interaction device.<br>
<br>
It might be a little unwieldy, but I think it could possibly be used for Li=
ve Looping performances, given a little customization. =A0It would probably=
 be excellent for vocal loopers and other performers who have their hands f=
ree. =A0Plus, you can probably run a parallel feed off the webcam and give =
your audience something visual as well.<br>

<br>
I know the Max/MSP set will be quick to jump in and point out that this sor=
t of thing has been available with Jitter for a while. =A0I know, I know. =
=A0But not all of us can program in Max (yet!) and, heck, this is free... =
=A0;)<br>

<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 --m.<br>
--<br>
_____<br>
&quot;beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a hal=
t<br>
 =A0beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me....&quot;<=
br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br></div>
Raul Bonell at Blogger: &lt;<a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a>&gt;<a href=3D"http://raulb=
onell.blogspot.com" target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br=
>
Chain Tape Collective: &lt;<a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a>&gt;<a href=3D"http://www.ct-co=
llective.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at Blogger:=
 <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com<=
/a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com">http=
://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
<br>

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directly from wiki:

reacTIVision

The live video stream received from a digital video camera is processed by
the open-source <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source> computer
vision<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_vision>software called
reacTIVision<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ReacTIVision&action=edit&redlink=1>,
originally developed by Martin Kaltenbrunner and Ross Bencina for the
Reactable project. reacTIVision detects cartesian and rotational placement
of fiducials on the table surface, then emits the specially designed Open
Sound Control <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Sound_Control> based network
protocol <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_protocol> called
TUIO<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TUIO&action=edit&redlink=1>,
which communicates to the actual synthesizer and visualization software that
outputs to the video projector. reacTIVision is also capable of multi-touch
fingertip tracking.


2009/9/9 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>

> on wiki they say there are just 10 reactables. it was designed here in
> barcelona (catalonia) at pompeu fabra university. one of the creators of the
> software behind reactable is ross bencina the programmer of modular host,
> audiomulch.
>
> 2009/9/9 Mech <mech@m3ch.net>
>
>> Reactable!  Yeah, I knew there was a better product for comparison than
>> the Percussa Audiocubes, but couldn't recall what it was at that moment.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for jogging my memory, Raul!  :)
>>
>> (p.s. wasn't the reactable like wicked expensive when it finally came out?
>> i know the audiocubes ain't exactly cheap.)
>>
>>        --m.
>>
>>
>> At 7:08 AM +0200 9/9/09, Raul Bonell wrote:
>>
>>> looks like a chinese reactable ...
>>>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm_FzLya8y4>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm_FzLya8y4
>>>
>>> 2009/9/9 Mech <<mailto:mech@m3ch.net>mech@m3ch.net>
>>>
>>> Okay, this could be kinda cool...
>>>
>>> <http://www.d-touch.org/audio/>http://www.d-touch.org/audio/
>>>
>>> "Audio d-touch is a collection of applications for real-time musical
>>> composition and performance, with very special user interfaces. The
>>> collection includes a drum machine and a sampling sequencer, both are
>>> controlled by spatially arranging physical objects on an interactive table
>>> surface. Each object represents a sound, and its position with respect to
>>> the surface is mapped to certain playback parameters...."
>>>
>>> Watch the video.  It's kinda like a cheap, DIY set of audiocubes, or some
>>> other visual/physical interaction device.
>>>
>>> It might be a little unwieldy, but I think it could possibly be used for
>>> Live Looping performances, given a little customization.  It would probably
>>> be excellent for vocal loopers and other performers who have their hands
>>> free.  Plus, you can probably run a parallel feed off the webcam and give
>>> your audience something visual as well.
>>>
>>> I know the Max/MSP set will be quick to jump in and point out that this
>>> sort of thing has been available with Jitter for a while.  I know, I know.
>>>  But not all of us can program in Max (yet!) and, heck, this is free...  ;)
>>>
>>>       --m.
>>> --
>>> _____
>>> "beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a halt
>>>  beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me...."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Raul Bonell at Blogger: <http://raulbonell.blogspot.com>
>>> http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>>> Chain Tape Collective: <http://www.ct-collective.com>
>>> http://www.ct-collective.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>
>


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directly from wiki:<br><br><h2><span class=3D"mw-headline">reacTIVision</sp=
an></h2>
<p>The live video stream received from a digital video camera is processed =
by the <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source" title=3D"Open-s=
ource" class=3D"mw-redirect">open-source</a> <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia=
.org/wiki/Computer_vision" title=3D"Computer vision">computer vision</a> so=
ftware called <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DReacTI=
Vision&amp;action=3Dedit&amp;redlink=3D1" class=3D"new" title=3D"ReacTIVisi=
on (page does not exist)">reacTIVision</a>,
originally developed by Martin Kaltenbrunner and Ross Bencina for the
Reactable project. reacTIVision detects cartesian and rotational
placement of fiducials on the table surface, then emits the specially
designed <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Sound_Control" title=
=3D"Open Sound Control">Open Sound Control</a> based <a href=3D"http://en.w=
ikipedia.org/wiki/Network_protocol" title=3D"Network protocol" class=3D"mw-=
redirect">network protocol</a> called <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/=
index.php?title=3DTUIO&amp;action=3Dedit&amp;redlink=3D1" class=3D"new" tit=
le=3D"TUIO (page does not exist)">TUIO</a>,
which communicates to the actual synthesizer and visualization software
that outputs to the video projector. reacTIVision is also capable of
multi-touch fingertip tracking.</p><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/=
9/9 Raul Bonell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.c=
om">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt =
0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
on wiki they say there are just 10 reactables. it was designed here in barc=
elona (catalonia) at pompeu fabra university. one of the creators of the so=
ftware behind reactable is ross bencina the programmer of modular host, aud=
iomulch. <br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">2009/9/9 Mech <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mech@m3ch.net" target=3D"_blank">mech@m3ch.net<=
/a>&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-l=
eft: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left:=
 1ex;">

Reactable! =A0Yeah, I knew there was a better product for comparison than t=
he Percussa Audiocubes, but couldn&#39;t recall what it was at that moment.=
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
Thanks for jogging my memory, Raul! =A0:)<br>
<br>
(p.s. wasn&#39;t the reactable like wicked expensive when it finally came o=
ut? i know the audiocubes ain&#39;t exactly cheap.)<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m.<div><br>
<br>
<br>
At 7:08 AM +0200 9/9/09, Raul Bonell wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb=
(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>
looks like a chinese reactable ...<br>
<br></div>
&lt;<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dvm_FzLya8y4" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dvm_FzLya8y4</a>&gt;<a href=3D"http://w=
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dvm_FzLya8y4" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.=
com/watch?v=3Dvm_FzLya8y4</a><br>


<br>
2009/9/9 Mech &lt;&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mech@m3ch.net" target=3D"_bl=
ank">mech@m3ch.net</a>&gt;<a href=3D"mailto:mech@m3ch.net" target=3D"_blank=
">mech@m3ch.net</a>&gt;<div><br>
<br>
Okay, this could be kinda cool...<br>
<br></div>
&lt;<a href=3D"http://www.d-touch.org/audio/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.=
d-touch.org/audio/</a>&gt;<a href=3D"http://www.d-touch.org/audio/" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.d-touch.org/audio/</a><div><br>
<br>
&quot;Audio d-touch is a collection of applications for real-time musical c=
omposition and performance, with very special user interfaces. The collecti=
on includes a drum machine and a sampling sequencer, both are controlled by=
 spatially arranging physical objects on an interactive table surface. Each=
 object represents a sound, and its position with respect to the surface is=
 mapped to certain playback parameters....&quot;<br>


<br>
Watch the video. =A0It&#39;s kinda like a cheap, DIY set of audiocubes, or =
some other visual/physical interaction device.<br>
<br>
It might be a little unwieldy, but I think it could possibly be used for Li=
ve Looping performances, given a little customization. =A0It would probably=
 be excellent for vocal loopers and other performers who have their hands f=
ree. =A0Plus, you can probably run a parallel feed off the webcam and give =
your audience something visual as well.<br>


<br>
I know the Max/MSP set will be quick to jump in and point out that this sor=
t of thing has been available with Jitter for a while. =A0I know, I know. =
=A0But not all of us can program in Max (yet!) and, heck, this is free... =
=A0;)<br>


<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 --m.<br>
--<br>
_____<br>
&quot;beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a hal=
t<br>
 =A0beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me....&quot;<=
br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br></div>
Raul Bonell at Blogger: &lt;<a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a>&gt;<a href=3D"http://raulb=
onell.blogspot.com" target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br=
>
Chain Tape Collective: &lt;<a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a>&gt;<a href=3D"http://www.ct-co=
llective.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div class=
=3D"im">Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com" =
target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br></div><div><div></d=
iv><div class=3D"h5">
Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" target=3D"_=
blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell=
 at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.b=
logspot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collecti=
ve.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
<br>

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... and there's a commercial site about here:

http://www.reactable.com/contact/faq/

2009/9/9 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>

> directly from wiki:
>
> reacTIVision
>
> The live video stream received from a digital video camera is processed by
> the open-source <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source> computer vision<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_vision>software called
> reacTIVision<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ReacTIVision&action=edit&redlink=1>,
> originally developed by Martin Kaltenbrunner and Ross Bencina for the
> Reactable project. reacTIVision detects cartesian and rotational placement
> of fiducials on the table surface, then emits the specially designed Open
> Sound Control <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Sound_Control> based network
> protocol <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_protocol> called TUIO<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TUIO&action=edit&redlink=1>,
> which communicates to the actual synthesizer and visualization software that
> outputs to the video projector. reacTIVision is also capable of multi-touch
> fingertip tracking.
>
>
> 2009/9/9 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>
> on wiki they say there are just 10 reactables. it was designed here in
>> barcelona (catalonia) at pompeu fabra university. one of the creators of the
>> software behind reactable is ross bencina the programmer of modular host,
>> audiomulch.
>>
>> 2009/9/9 Mech <mech@m3ch.net>
>>
>>> Reactable!  Yeah, I knew there was a better product for comparison than
>>> the Percussa Audiocubes, but couldn't recall what it was at that moment.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for jogging my memory, Raul!  :)
>>>
>>> (p.s. wasn't the reactable like wicked expensive when it finally came
>>> out? i know the audiocubes ain't exactly cheap.)
>>>
>>>        --m.
>>>
>>>
>>> At 7:08 AM +0200 9/9/09, Raul Bonell wrote:
>>>
>>>> looks like a chinese reactable ...
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm_FzLya8y4>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm_FzLya8y4
>>>>
>>>> 2009/9/9 Mech <<mailto:mech@m3ch.net>mech@m3ch.net>
>>>>
>>>> Okay, this could be kinda cool...
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.d-touch.org/audio/>http://www.d-touch.org/audio/
>>>>
>>>> "Audio d-touch is a collection of applications for real-time musical
>>>> composition and performance, with very special user interfaces. The
>>>> collection includes a drum machine and a sampling sequencer, both are
>>>> controlled by spatially arranging physical objects on an interactive table
>>>> surface. Each object represents a sound, and its position with respect to
>>>> the surface is mapped to certain playback parameters...."
>>>>
>>>> Watch the video.  It's kinda like a cheap, DIY set of audiocubes, or
>>>> some other visual/physical interaction device.
>>>>
>>>> It might be a little unwieldy, but I think it could possibly be used for
>>>> Live Looping performances, given a little customization.  It would probably
>>>> be excellent for vocal loopers and other performers who have their hands
>>>> free.  Plus, you can probably run a parallel feed off the webcam and give
>>>> your audience something visual as well.
>>>>
>>>> I know the Max/MSP set will be quick to jump in and point out that this
>>>> sort of thing has been available with Jitter for a while.  I know, I know.
>>>>  But not all of us can program in Max (yet!) and, heck, this is free...  ;)
>>>>
>>>>       --m.
>>>> --
>>>> _____
>>>> "beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a halt
>>>>  beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me...."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Raul Bonell at Blogger: <http://raulbonell.blogspot.com>
>>>> http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>>>> Chain Tape Collective: <http://www.ct-collective.com>
>>>> http://www.ct-collective.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>
>


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... and there&#39;s a commercial site about here:<br><br><a href=3D"http://=
www.reactable.com/contact/faq/">http://www.reactable.com/contact/faq/</a><b=
r><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/9 Raul Bonell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">directly from wik=
i:<br><br><h2><span>reacTIVision</span></h2>
<p>The live video stream received from a digital video camera is processed =
by the <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source" title=3D"Open-s=
ource" target=3D"_blank">open-source</a> <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org=
/wiki/Computer_vision" title=3D"Computer vision" target=3D"_blank">computer=
 vision</a> software called <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?=
title=3DReacTIVision&amp;action=3Dedit&amp;redlink=3D1" title=3D"ReacTIVisi=
on (page does not exist)" target=3D"_blank">reacTIVision</a>,
originally developed by Martin Kaltenbrunner and Ross Bencina for the
Reactable project. reacTIVision detects cartesian and rotational
placement of fiducials on the table surface, then emits the specially
designed <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Sound_Control" title=
=3D"Open Sound Control" target=3D"_blank">Open Sound Control</a> based <a h=
ref=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_protocol" title=3D"Network prot=
ocol" target=3D"_blank">network protocol</a> called <a href=3D"http://en.wi=
kipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTUIO&amp;action=3Dedit&amp;redlink=3D1" tit=
le=3D"TUIO (page does not exist)" target=3D"_blank">TUIO</a>,
which communicates to the actual synthesizer and visualization software
that outputs to the video projector. reacTIVision is also capable of
multi-touch fingertip tracking.</p><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/=
9/9 Raul Bonell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><=
div class=3D"h5">
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(2=
04, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
on wiki they say there are just 10 reactables. it was designed here in barc=
elona (catalonia) at pompeu fabra university. one of the creators of the so=
ftware behind reactable is ross bencina the programmer of modular host, aud=
iomulch. <br>


<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>2009/9/9 Mech <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mech@m3ch.net" target=3D"_blank">mech@m3ch.net</a>&gt;</span=
><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px soli=
d rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">


Reactable! =A0Yeah, I knew there was a better product for comparison than t=
he Percussa Audiocubes, but couldn&#39;t recall what it was at that moment.=
<div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
Thanks for jogging my memory, Raul! =A0:)<br>
<br>
(p.s. wasn&#39;t the reactable like wicked expensive when it finally came o=
ut? i know the audiocubes ain&#39;t exactly cheap.)<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m.<div><br>
<br>
<br>
At 7:08 AM +0200 9/9/09, Raul Bonell wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb=
(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>
looks like a chinese reactable ...<br>
<br></div>
&lt;<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dvm_FzLya8y4" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dvm_FzLya8y4</a>&gt;<a href=3D"http://w=
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dvm_FzLya8y4" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.=
com/watch?v=3Dvm_FzLya8y4</a><br>



<br>
2009/9/9 Mech &lt;&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mech@m3ch.net" target=3D"_bl=
ank">mech@m3ch.net</a>&gt;<a href=3D"mailto:mech@m3ch.net" target=3D"_blank=
">mech@m3ch.net</a>&gt;<div><br>
<br>
Okay, this could be kinda cool...<br>
<br></div>
&lt;<a href=3D"http://www.d-touch.org/audio/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.=
d-touch.org/audio/</a>&gt;<a href=3D"http://www.d-touch.org/audio/" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.d-touch.org/audio/</a><div><br>
<br>
&quot;Audio d-touch is a collection of applications for real-time musical c=
omposition and performance, with very special user interfaces. The collecti=
on includes a drum machine and a sampling sequencer, both are controlled by=
 spatially arranging physical objects on an interactive table surface. Each=
 object represents a sound, and its position with respect to the surface is=
 mapped to certain playback parameters....&quot;<br>



<br>
Watch the video. =A0It&#39;s kinda like a cheap, DIY set of audiocubes, or =
some other visual/physical interaction device.<br>
<br>
It might be a little unwieldy, but I think it could possibly be used for Li=
ve Looping performances, given a little customization. =A0It would probably=
 be excellent for vocal loopers and other performers who have their hands f=
ree. =A0Plus, you can probably run a parallel feed off the webcam and give =
your audience something visual as well.<br>



<br>
I know the Max/MSP set will be quick to jump in and point out that this sor=
t of thing has been available with Jitter for a while. =A0I know, I know. =
=A0But not all of us can program in Max (yet!) and, heck, this is free... =
=A0;)<br>



<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 --m.<br>
--<br>
_____<br>
&quot;beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a hal=
t<br>
 =A0beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me....&quot;<=
br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br></div>
Raul Bonell at Blogger: &lt;<a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a>&gt;<a href=3D"http://raulb=
onell.blogspot.com" target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br=
>
Chain Tape Collective: &lt;<a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a>&gt;<a href=3D"http://www.ct-co=
llective.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div>Raul B=
onell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br></div><div><div></div><div>
Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" target=3D"_=
blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5=
"><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http:=
//raulbonell.blogspot.com" target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com=
</a><br>
Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" target=3D"_=
blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell=
 at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.b=
logspot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collecti=
ve.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
<br>

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Dear Friends

As part of Guitar Player magazine's Guitar Player Live event in Livermore
California, I will be giving a clinic on live looping techniques and
sampling for the guitar,  on Sunday, September 13th, at Noon, at Fine
Fretted Instruments , 2181 1st street Livermore, California. The event is
free and open to the public,  and 1st street in downtown Livermore will have
outdoor stages and music and events, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Sounds
like a guitar orgy to me! Hope to see you there, find out more at the link
below.

 Thanks

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You can make your own control surface using reacTIVision software for the
price of the materials, which is essentially the same price as the d-touch
projects. I've got one sitting in my studio that i made mostly from cheap
craft store materials and slightly higher quality webcam. It may not have
the fancy visual feedback or the proximity sensing of the reactable, but its
still a great control surface.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:

> ... and there's a commercial site about here:
>
> http://www.reactable.com/contact/faq/
>
>
> 2009/9/9 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>
>> directly from wiki:
>>
>> reacTIVision
>>
>> The live video stream received from a digital video camera is processed by
>> the open-source <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source> computer
>> vision <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_vision> software called
>> reacTIVision<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ReacTIVision&action=edit&redlink=1>,
>> originally developed by Martin Kaltenbrunner and Ross Bencina for the
>> Reactable project. reacTIVision detects cartesian and rotational placement
>> of fiducials on the table surface, then emits the specially designed Open
>> Sound Control <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Sound_Control> based network
>> protocol <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_protocol> called TUIO<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TUIO&action=edit&redlink=1>,
>> which communicates to the actual synthesizer and visualization software that
>> outputs to the video projector. reacTIVision is also capable of multi-touch
>> fingertip tracking.
>>
>>

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You can make your own control surface using reacTIVision software for the p=
rice of the materials, which is essentially the same price as the d-touch p=
rojects. I&#39;ve got one sitting in my studio that i made mostly from chea=
p craft store materials and slightly higher quality webcam. It may not have=
 the fancy visual feedback or the proximity sensing of the reactable, but i=
ts still a great control surface. <br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Raul Bonell =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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... and there&#39;s a commercial site about here:<br><br><a href=3D"http://=
www.reactable.com/contact/faq/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.reactable.com/=
contact/faq/</a><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">
2009/9/9 Raul Bonell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">directly from wik=
i:<br><br><h2><span>reacTIVision</span></h2>
<p>The live video stream received from a digital video camera is processed =
by the <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source" title=3D"Open-s=
ource" target=3D"_blank">open-source</a> <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org=
/wiki/Computer_vision" title=3D"Computer vision" target=3D"_blank">computer=
 vision</a> software called <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?=
title=3DReacTIVision&amp;action=3Dedit&amp;redlink=3D1" title=3D"ReacTIVisi=
on (page does not exist)" target=3D"_blank">reacTIVision</a>,
originally developed by Martin Kaltenbrunner and Ross Bencina for the
Reactable project. reacTIVision detects cartesian and rotational
placement of fiducials on the table surface, then emits the specially
designed <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Sound_Control" title=
=3D"Open Sound Control" target=3D"_blank">Open Sound Control</a> based <a h=
ref=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_protocol" title=3D"Network prot=
ocol" target=3D"_blank">network protocol</a> called <a href=3D"http://en.wi=
kipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DTUIO&amp;action=3Dedit&amp;redlink=3D1" tit=
le=3D"TUIO (page does not exist)" target=3D"_blank">TUIO</a>,
which communicates to the actual synthesizer and visualization software
that outputs to the video projector. reacTIVision is also capable of
multi-touch fingertip tracking.</p><br>
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At 7:33 AM +0200 9/9/09, Raul Bonell wrote:
>... and there's a commercial site about here:
>
><http://www.reactable.com/contact/faq/>http://www.reactable.com/contact/faq/

The ReacTIVision and TUIO implementations look pretty cool. 
Although, like Max and Jitter, they look more like programming 
environments than ready-to-use tools, from what I can see.

For our purposes here, it looks like the D-Touch Sequencer has an 
obvious leg-up, IMNSHO, in that the software is already set up to 
Record Audio and Loop.

And it seems as if some Loop manipulation functions -- volume and 
position, playback rate, start/end points, etc. -- are already 
implemented as well.  With only some minor modifications you could 
probably have a pretty interesting laptop Looper right out of the box 
(hrm, I wonder if you could remap volume --> feedback?).

	--m.

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At 2:54 PM +0900 9/9/09, michael noble wrote:
>You can make your own control surface using reacTIVision software 
>for the price of the materials, which is essentially the same price 
>as the d-touch projects. I've got one sitting in my studio that i 
>made mostly from cheap craft store materials and slightly higher 
>quality webcam. It may not have the fancy visual feedback or the 
>proximity sensing of the reactable, but its still a great control 
>surface.

Oh snap!  Nice!  Are you using it as a Looper, or as a control device 
interface for other software Loopers?  Any links to stuff you've done 
using it?

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I used it for a piece in collaboration with a dancer/filmmaker, but I don't
have any extant copies of that. I use the table as both a spatialization
controller and to control sooperlooper and other plugin parameters. Because
I'm working with multichannel it makes it hard to produce decent
representation to distribute via the web. Hope to get something down over
the winter though, and explore maybe 5.1 or binaural distribution.

-michael

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:

> At 2:54 PM +0900 9/9/09, michael noble wrote:
>
>> You can make your own control surface using reacTIVision software for the
>> price of the materials, which is essentially the same price as the d-touch
>> projects. I've got one sitting in my studio that i made mostly from cheap
>> craft store materials and slightly higher quality webcam. It may not have
>> the fancy visual feedback or the proximity sensing of the reactable, but its
>> still a great control surface.
>>
>
> Oh snap!  Nice!  Are you using it as a Looper, or as a control device
> interface for other software Loopers?  Any links to stuff you've done using
> it?
>
>        --m.
> --
> _____
> "when you think your dreams are shattered, it's time to dream new dreams"
>
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I used it for a piece in collaboration with a dancer/filmmaker, but I don&#=
39;t have any extant copies of that. I use the table as both a spatializati=
on controller and to control sooperlooper and other plugin parameters. Beca=
use I&#39;m working with multichannel it makes it hard to produce decent re=
presentation to distribute via the web. Hope to get something down over the=
 winter though, and explore maybe 5.1 or binaural distribution.<br>
<br>-michael<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:55 =
PM, Mech <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mech@m3ch.net">mech@m3ch.n=
et</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"bord=
er-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-l=
eft: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">At 2:54 PM +0900 9/9/09, michael noble wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
You can make your own control surface using reacTIVision software for the p=
rice of the materials, which is essentially the same price as the d-touch p=
rojects. I&#39;ve got one sitting in my studio that i made mostly from chea=
p craft store materials and slightly higher quality webcam. It may not have=
 the fancy visual feedback or the proximity sensing of the reactable, but i=
ts still a great control surface.<br>

</blockquote>
<br></div>
Oh snap! =A0Nice! =A0Are you using it as a Looper, or as a control device i=
nterface for other software Loopers? =A0Any links to stuff you&#39;ve done =
using it?<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m.<br><font color=3D"#888888">
-- <br>
_____<br>
&quot;when you think your dreams are shattered, it&#39;s time to dream new =
dreams&quot;<br>
<br>
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Had the idea to start a improvisation with a heavy blues riff and cliche so=
loing over the top and then somehow mangle it with the EDP. I have  now sta=
rted to use a MIDI controller (roland) and have some buttons for half/full =
speed as well as reverse... this time i quite often overdub while reversing=
 and changing speed. I also have Feedback as expression on the MIDI board a=
nd found that it is quite nice to use it rhythmically=2C quickly rocking to=
 near zero to get a swell in the cycle..

I like the last half the best.. maybe I should do some editing put on the o=
ther hand I quite like the listener to hear the whole thing. THis is a impr=
ovised no fixes one take..

Anyway=2C please give it a listen and I appreciate constructive criticism..=
 A LOT

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=3D8071704

(by the way gear besides the EDP is a Custom By Cougar 50w ODS (Dumble) sty=
le amp that I bought used this week. The previous owner wanted a Robben For=
d style of tone=2C with me playing it sounds perhaps more like Kaiser... an=
yway I think the amp is great. Guitar is  a brand new hollow body Soloway S=
wan. As you may know I love these guitar and this hollow is great for this =
type of playing=2C it is easy to get into semi controlled feedback. The gui=
tar has two singel coils=2C DiMarzios . a virtual solo in bridge and virtua=
l tele in neck. Please feel free to discuss GEAR as i love GEAR :-) )

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Had the idea to start a improvisation with a heavy blues riff and cliche so=
loing over the top and then somehow mangle it with the EDP. I have&nbsp=3B =
now started to use a MIDI controller (roland) and have some buttons for hal=
f/full speed as well as reverse... this time i quite often overdub while re=
versing and changing speed. I also have Feedback as expression on the MIDI =
board and found that it is quite nice to use it rhythmically=2C quickly roc=
king to near zero to get a swell in the cycle..<BR>
I like the last half the best.. maybe I should do some editing put on the o=
ther hand I quite like the listener to hear the whole thing. THis is a impr=
ovised no fixes one take..<BR>
Anyway=2C please give it a listen and I appreciate constructive criticism..=
 A LOT<BR>
<A href=3D"http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=3D92451=
6&amp=3BsongID=3D8071704" target=3D_blank><FONT color=3D#22229c>http://www.=
soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=3D8071704</FONT></A><BR>
(by the way gear besides the EDP is a Custom By Cougar 50w ODS (Dumble) sty=
le amp that I bought used this week. The previous owner wanted a Robben For=
d style of tone=2C with me playing it sounds perhaps more like Kaiser... an=
yway I think the amp is great. Guitar is&nbsp=3B a brand new hollow body So=
loway Swan. As you may know I love these guitar and this hollow is great fo=
r this type of playing=2C it is easy to get into semi controlled feedback. =
The guitar has two singel coils=2C DiMarzios . a virtual solo in bridge and=
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Lllllllovely !

2009/9/9 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>

> beautiful voice, great intonation (i know it's difficult to layer tonal
> voice loops) although very basic loopage.
>
> --
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
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Lllllllovely !<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/9 Raul Bonell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br=
>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">beautiful voice, great intonatio=
n (i know it&#39;s difficult to layer tonal voice loops) although very basi=
c loopage.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br clear=3D"all">-- <br>Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a=
 href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://raulbone=
ll.blogspot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-coll=
ective.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
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listening right now....superb

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando<kevin@minds-eye.org>
> wrote:
> > Very nice, the perfect soundtrack to the end of the working day here.
>
> Thanks Kevin!
>
> --
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
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listening right now....superb<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep=
 9, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:tcplugin@gmail.com">tcplugin@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204=
); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org">kevin@minds-eye.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Very nice, the perfect soundtrack to the end of the working day here.<=
br>
<br>
</div>Thanks Kevin!<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">Sjaak Overgaauw<br>
<a href=3D"http://premonitionfactory.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://premoni=
tionfactory.com/</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://livelooping.be/" target=3D"_blank">http://livelooping.be/=
</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://euroloopfest.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://euroloopfest.=
com/</a><br>
<br>
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very nice, sjaak - that's made my afternoon more pleasant.

On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:12 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:

> It has been so quiet on the list that I thought...let's upload some
> music. Here's a 10 minute excerpt of the new project I'm working
> called Premonition Factory. Enjoy :)
>
> http://euroloopfest.com/premonitionfactory/demos/01_090909.mp3
>
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I use an old Guitar Rig 1 version in my current setup, a copy of an original
that a friend owns but never used. He still has the pedal too and could give
it to me. Right now it seems I need a midi volume pedal - but the Guitar Rig
pedal only has regular guitar jacks and does not seem to work as a midi
pedal. How does it work anyway? does anyone use it or remember it? I didn't
have a chance to try it yet.

About the midi volume pedal that I need, I have a volume pedal that I can
use as a volume control inside of Bidule but it is a regular volume pedal
with a regular jack, and works only in combination with my PMC10 midi
controller which recognizes it and turns it into a midi signal. I am
currently thinking of leaving the PMC10 at home when going to Y2K9 because
it is so large - if I do that I will have to control loops manually with the
Nanokontrol, and I can't use my volume pedal then. I'm thinking of getting
another volume pedal that can be connected directly into midi, e.g. as a
midi in into my Axon ... and because I also use Guitar Rig I thought maybe
that Guitar Rig pedal can be used as a volume controller not only for Guitar
Rig but also for other sound sources such as midi instruments.

I hope this doesn't sound too confusing :)  maybe I'm a little confused
myself.

-Michael


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I think...

g

> From: mp@mpeters.de
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Guitar Rig 1.1 pedal anyone?
> Date: Wed=2C 9 Sep 2009 13:21:37 +0200
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> On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:12 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
>
>> It has been so quiet on the list that I thought...let's upload some
>> music. Here's a 10 minute excerpt of the new project I'm working
>> called Premonition Factory. Enjoy :)
>>
>> http://euroloopfest.com/premonitionfactory/demos/01_090909.mp3

Nice music! Enjoying it.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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Must be so. Give it a check, M. I mixed for a client that brought a GR
pedal and used it to play additional wha-wha pedal inside my computer,
so there must be some way (probably as Garth describes).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com



On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Gareth Whittock
<buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
> Doesn't the guitar rig pedal have inputs for an expression pedal? Plug your
> volume pedal in there and try it out, Expression pedals usually have stereo
> jacks on them tho). The midi, (or equivlent control data) gets in to your
> computer via usb.
> I think...
>
> g
>
>> From: mp@mpeters.de
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Guitar Rig 1.1 pedal anyone?
>> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:21:37 +0200
>>
>> I use an old Guitar Rig 1 version in my current setup, a copy of an
>> original
>> that a friend owns but never used. He still has the pedal too and could
>> give
>> it to me. Right now it seems I need a midi volume pedal - but the Guitar
>> Rig
>> pedal only has regular guitar jacks and does not seem to work as a midi
>> pedal. How does it work anyway? does anyone use it or remember it? I
>> didn't
>> have a chance to try it yet.
>>
>> About the midi volume pedal that I need, I have a volume pedal that I can
>> use as a volume control inside of Bidule but it is a regular volume pedal
>> with a regular jack, and works only in combination with my PMC10 midi
>> controller which recognizes it and turns it into a midi signal. I am
>> currently thinking of leaving the PMC10 at home when going to Y2K9 because
>> it is so large - if I do that I will have to control loops manually with
>> the
>> Nanokontrol, and I can't use my volume pedal then. I'm thinking of getting
>> another volume pedal that can be connected directly into midi, e.g. as a
>> midi in into my Axon ... and because I also use Guitar Rig I thought maybe
>> that Guitar Rig pedal can be used as a volume controller not only for
>> Guitar
>> Rig but also for other sound sources such as midi instruments.
>>
>> I hope this doesn't sound too confusing :) maybe I'm a little confused
>> myself.
>>
>> -Michael
>>

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Yes, i agree with Per! very nice and relaxing! <br>
greetings from Florence! <br>
<br>
Max Liver<br>
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Nice music! Enjoying it.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Yeah=2C Had coffee and toast to it this morning - very chilled!

peace

g

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> > On Sep 9=2C 2009=2C at 1:12 AM=2C Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
> >
> >> It has been so quiet on the list that I thought...let's upload some
> >> music. Here's a 10 minute excerpt of the new project I'm working
> >> called Premonition Factory. Enjoy :)
> >>
> >> http://euroloopfest.com/premonitionfactory/demos/01_090909.mp3

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I have to steady myself with my other foot (even though I'm sitting  
down anyway)! Slightly awkward, but I'm used to it now. Other than  
that I find it [Gordius LG] a great unit, particularly in terms of  
size and weight. The FCB1010 is a pain when travelling a lot!

Initially I did have problems programming it because the control  
software isn't on OSX, but I managed to get it working via Parallels  
desktop, so that one was solved.

Steve
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On 3 Sep 2009, at 08:19, andy butler wrote:

> I find that any time I need to hold down a button in the top row I  
> tend to hit the bottom row.
> It's something that's a real problem at gigs.
> (not a problem with fcb1010, where the buttons lend enough support
> to rest the toe without pressing).



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Mention of the Line 6 M13 below caught my eye: I've just bought one  
and am really enjoying working with it. It seems well constructed and  
(at least for me on electric violin rather than guitar) a lot of the  
built in effects work really well and are fairly customisable.

It didn't take long to get the hang of it either!

The looper functions weren't my main reason for buying it, but they  
seem to work well: It means I can use it "standalone" if I'm doing a  
short presentation or school workshop demo with loops, but I've also  
been trying it out alongside my normally Mac/Logic/Sooperlooper setup.

When I do this it gets quite interesting as I can easily setup  
independent loops. or add a loop, or part of a loop from the M13 to  
Sooperlooper. Fun!

Probably old hat (-; but I'm enjoying the possibilities.

Steve
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On 2 Sep 2009, at 19:44, Mark Hamburg wrote:

> So, why are these things all so expensive? I know. I know. Small  
> market.
>
> What I really want is something in roughly the form factor of the  
> Line6 M13 with something like the Looperlative built in.
>
> Short of that, I'm looking for a controller in that form factor and  
> the Looperlative will get to live in the then necessary rack. But  
> the controller choices seem to be either outrageously pricey or  
> severely crippled (Ground Control Pro, I'm looking at you).
>
> Mark
>
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote:
>
>> Just thought I'd mention the Liquid Foot Pro Jr. in case people  
>> weren't aware of its existence.
>>
>> http://www.liquid-foot.com/products.shtml
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>



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On 3 Sep 2009, at 08:19, andy butler wrote:

 

> I find that any time I need to hold down a button in the top row I 

> tend to hit the bottom row.

> It's something that's a real problem at gigs.

> (not a problem with fcb1010, where the buttons lend enough support to 

> rest the toe without pressing).

 

Steve B wrote:

I have to steady myself with my other foot (even though I'm sitting down
anyway)! Slightly awkward, but I'm used to it now. Other than that I find it
[Gordius LG] a great unit, particularly in terms of size and weight. The
FCB1010 is a pain when travelling a lot!

 

 Actually Andy and Steve, what solved this problem for me was mounting the
gordius on an angled pedal board surface, in my case I put it on a pedal
train pro aluminum frame board, not exactly flight worthy but not overly
heavy for land travel. But any angled surface will work even a ply wood one
you made your self. It doesn't completely eradicate the issue but it helps a
lot.

 Bill

 

PS Hey Steve isn't resampling grand?  Two looper (in series) is always
better than one :-)


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row.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&gt; It's something =
that's a
real problem at gigs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&gt; (not a problem =
with
fcb1010, where the buttons lend enough support to =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&gt; rest the toe =
without
pressing).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Steve B =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I have to steady =
myself with
my other foot (even though I'm sitting down anyway)! Slightly awkward, =
but I'm
used to it now. Other than that I find it [Gordius LG] a great unit,
particularly in terms of size and weight. The FCB1010 is a pain when =
travelling
a lot!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;Actually Andy and Steve, what solved this =
problem for me
was mounting the gordius on an angled pedal board surface, in my case I =
put it
on a pedal train pro aluminum frame board, not exactly flight worthy but =
not
overly heavy for land travel. But any angled surface will work even a =
ply wood
one you made your self. It doesn&#8217;t completely eradicate the issue =
but it
helps a lot.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;Bill<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>PS Hey Steve isn&#8217;t resampling grand? &nbsp;Two =
looper (in
series) is always better than one </span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DWingdings><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>J</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
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I want to begin projecting my lo fi looping video efforts at shows that 
may not have
a screen in the venue.

Does anyone have some recommendations for very lightweight portable
screens that I might purchase (and good places to purchase it from)

Budget is consideration and I'd love advice on specific things to avoid 
as well.

thanks,  in advance.

Rick Walker

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Rick, funnny you ask. I just bought one.

I just bought the 70X70 inch screen, here, and it is quite large. You can 
get a smaller one for $123.

http://www.projectorscreenstore.com/PSS-Projector-Screens-Portable.html

Kris

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>I want to begin projecting my lo fi looping video efforts at shows that may 
>not have
> a screen in the venue.
>
> Does anyone have some recommendations for very lightweight portable
> screens that I might purchase (and good places to purchase it from)
>
> Budget is consideration and I'd love advice on specific things to avoid as 
> well.
>
> thanks,  in advance.
>
> Rick Walker
>
> 

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This is really hip Anders.

It's interestingly synchronous to me, as well, because
I've been on a jag listening to both Ali and Vieux Farka Toure as well
as a bunch of really early Delta Blues and realizing how primal and 
effecting
the blues can be when it's not associated with the typical commercial 
blues club and
blues jam kinds of things that are so ubiquitous (and which bore me, 
frankly).

Just yesterday I was experimenting with a Malian-esque piece on baritone 
ukulele of all things.
Through a little bit of overdrive it actually sounded killer.

The cool thing is that you really capture this primal quality in this 
improvisation.
I really like it a lot.

I wish I had tons of money.  I'd love to just fly you over here to play 
it for us at the loopfestival.
The recession has just killed us out here in Northern California, though 
(probably everywhere, too)
so we're dependent on people managing to come on their own dime.

You have a standing invite to perform at the festival if you can ever 
make it in the 3rd week of October.


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I was listening to Sjaak's beautiful ambient piece after having just 
listened
to Anders Skittered Blues piece.

I thought I had turned the volume off on Anders Soundclick page but 
somehow the track restarted
and started playing as a very quiet backdrop to Sjaak's piece.

I was not concentrating but doing festival email business and
by the middle of both pieces some beautiful synchronistic stuff was 
going on.

It's a fascinating accidental listen, imho.

try it out.   Make sure that Anders track is just barely audible or it 
doesn't work.
I had the volume set at 2 or 3 on the Soundclick player and the normal 
Mp3 volume
on the downloaded piece by Sjaak.

Beautiful piece just by itself, Sjaak.  I hope you'll play it at the 
festival coming up.
I can't wait to see you again.

Rick

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A well thought-out and timely article. Thanks, Raul.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/08/26/snow-leopard-watch-changes-compatibility-caution-native-instruments-plogue/
>
> --
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>
>


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A well thought-out and timely article. Thanks, Raul.<br><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Raul Bonell <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><a href=3D"http:/=
/createdigitalmusic.com/2009/08/26/snow-leopard-watch-changes-compatibility=
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music.com/2009/08/26/snow-leopard-watch-changes-compatibility-caution-nativ=
e-instruments-plogue/</a><br clear=3D"all">
<font color=3D"#888888">
<br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Colle=
ctive: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" target=3D"_blank">http://ww=
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<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><a hre=
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OR: red"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"6">From: Mrs. ROSE=20
ADAMS.</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><=
span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Euro-Afro-=
American- Asia=20
=96Detol Sweepstake Lottery</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"=
><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font =
size=3D"6">&nbsp=3Bheadquarters: 1a=2C Bexon=20
Court Carlton</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></=
i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Not=
tingham shire Nottingham=20
NG4 1SQ Essex</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></=
i><font size=3D"6"><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Uni=
ted=20
Kingdom</span></em><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial">.</=
span></em></font><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span sty=
le=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Customer Service: =
580 NCA=20
85914</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><s=
pan style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Ref:=20
EAASL/941OYI/04</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span>=
</i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">B=
atch: 12/25/DC34 RE:=20
LOTTO.</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><=
span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Call U.K H=
otline 24 hours=20
Tel: + 44 7024 -060189)</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br=
></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=
=3D"6">=3B CONGRATULATIONS WINNING=20
NOTIFICATION:</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></=
i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Dea=
r</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span =
style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">We happily anno=
unce to you=20
the draw of the Euro-Afro- American- Asia</font></span></em><i><span style=
=3D"COLOR: red"><br><em><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"6">Detol-</f=
ont></em></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><f=
ont size=3D"6">Sweepstake Lottery=20
International programs held on the 1st Jan 2009 in</font></span></em><i><sp=
an style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FON=
T-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Essex United Kingdom. Your=20
e-mail ad dress attached to ticket number: </font></span></em><i><span styl=
e=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial"><font size=3D"6">B9564 75604545 188 with!=20
Serial number 97560 drew the winning: </font></span></em><i><span style=3D"=
COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Ar=
ial"><font size=3D"6">01/10/11/18/19/46=2C which=20
subsequently won you the lottery in the 2nd</font></span></em><i><span styl=
e=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Category.</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"CO=
LOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><font size=3D"6">You have therefore been=20
approved to claim a total sum of US$1.2M.USD. </font></span></em><i><span s=
tyle=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">(ONE MILLION TWO HUNDRED=20
THOUSAND UNITED STATE DOLLARS) in cash</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"=
COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Ar=
ial"><font size=3D"6">Credited to file=20
KPC/9080118308/02.This is from a total cash prize of</font></span></em><i><=
span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B F=
ONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">$120=2C 000000.00 Million=20
dollars=2C shared amongst the first One Hundred </font></span></em><i><span=
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FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">(100)=20
</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span s=
tyle=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Lucky winners in=
 this=20
category worldwide.</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></s=
pan></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"=
6">Please note that your lucky=20
winning number falls within our Afro</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"CO=
LOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l"><font size=3D"6">Booklet representative=20
office in</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><f=
ont size=3D"6"><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Africa<=
/span></em><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> as indicat=
ed in your play coupon. In=20
view of this=2C your US$1.2M</span></em></font><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red=
"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font=
 size=3D"6">USD. (ONE MILLION TWO=20
HUNDRED T HOUSAND UNITED STATE DOLLARS) </font></span></em><i><span style=
=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY=
: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Would=20
be</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span=
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u by Absa Bank=20
South Africa .</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span><=
/i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Ou=
r African agent will=20
immediately commence the process to facilitate</font></span></em><i><span s=
tyle=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">the re lease of your funds=20
as</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span=
 style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Soon as you co=
ntact him. All=20
participants were selected randomly from</font></span></em><i><span style=
=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY=
: Arial"><font size=3D"6">World Wide Web&nbsp=3B site=20
through</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em>=
<span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Computer =
draws system and=20
extracted from over 10=2C000=2C00 companies.</font></span></em><i><span sty=
le=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMI=
LY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">This promotion takes place=20
annually. For security reasons=2C you are</font></span></em><i><span style=
=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY=
: Arial"><font size=3D"6">advised to keep your=20
winning</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em>=
<span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Informati=
on confidential=20
till your claim is processed and your money</font></span></em><i><span styl=
e=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Remitted to you in whatever=20
manner you deem fit to claim your prize.</font></span></em><i><span style=
=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY=
: Arial"><font size=3D"6">This is part of our=20
precautionary measure to avoid double claiming</font></span></em><i><span s=
tyle=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">and unwarranted abuse of=20
this program by some unscrupulous elements.</font></span></em><i><span styl=
e=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Please be warned. To file=20
for your claim=2C please</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><b=
r></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font siz=
e=3D"6">Contact our corresponding=20
agent in South Africa immediately you read</font></span></em><i><span style=
=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY=
: Arial"><font size=3D"6">this message for quick and=20
urgent release of your fund=2C contact</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"=
COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Ar=
ial"><font size=3D"6">Information is as=20
follow.</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em>=
<span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">MR. ZUMA=
=20
ADAMS.</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><=
span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">E-mail :(&=
nbsp=3B</font><a href=3D"http://uk.mc247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dzum=
aadams@live.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow"><font size=3D"6">zumaad=
ams@live.com</font></a><font size=3D"6"> )</font></span></em><i><span style=
=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY=
: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Call Direct Hot Line 24hrs:=20
+ 27 73 970 2374).</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></sp=
an></i><font size=3D"6"><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
">Please be informed that all winning must=20
be claimed on or before</span></em><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><span sty=
le=3D"COLOR: black"> </span><span style=3D"COLOR: red"></span></font></font=
>
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em><span style=3D=
"COLOR: red"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"6">September 30th &nbsp=
=3B&nbsp=3B&nbsp=3B 2009.=20
To avoid unnecessary delays and complications=2C </font></span></em><i><spa=
n style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT=
-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Please quote your=20
reference/batch numbers in any correspondences with</font></span></em><i><s=
pan style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FO=
NT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Our Designated agent or=20
us.</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><spa=
n style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Congratulatio=
ns once more=20
from all members and staffs of this program</font></span></em><i><span styl=
e=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial"><font size=3D"6">that has successfully won=20
this competition. Thank you for being part</font></span></em><i><span style=
=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY=
: Arial"><font size=3D"6">of our promotional lottery=20
program.</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em=
><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Sincerel=
y=2C=20
</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span s=
tyle=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">MRS.ROSE ADAMS=20
.</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span =
style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">United Kingdom =
Zonal=20
Co-coordinator.</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span>=
</i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">M=
r. Alexandra=20
Davis</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><font =
size=3D"6"><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial">United=20
Kingdom</span></em><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> zo=
nal=20
Secretary General.</span></em></font><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></sp=
an></i><font size=3D"3"><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
"><font size=3D"6">Thank you for your=20
Co-operation.</font></span></em><span style=3D"COLOR: black"><font face=3D"=
Times New Roman"> </font></span></font><span style=3D"COLOR: red"></span></=
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From: Mrs. ROSE=20
ADAMS.
Euro-Afro-American- Asia=20
=96Detol Sweepstake Lottery
 headquarters: 1a=2C Bexon=20
Court Carlton
Nottingham shire Nottingham=20
NG4 1SQ Essex
United=20
Kingdom.
Customer Service: 580 NCA=20
85914
Ref:=20
EAASL/941OYI/04
Batch: 12/25/DC34 RE:=20
LOTTO.
Call U.K Hotline 24 hours=20
Tel: + 44 7024 -060189)
=3B CONGRATULATIONS WINNING=20
NOTIFICATION:
Dear
We happily announce to you=20
the draw of the Euro-Afro- American- Asia
Detol-Sweepstake Lottery=20
International programs held on the 1st Jan 2009 in
Essex United Kingdom. Your=20
e-mail ad dress attached to ticket number:=20
B9564 75604545 188 with!=20
Serial number 97560 drew the winning:=20
01/10/11/18/19/46=2C which=20
subsequently won you the lottery in the 2nd
Category.
You have therefore been=20
approved to claim a total sum of US$1.2M.USD.=20
(ONE MILLION TWO HUNDRED=20
THOUSAND UNITED STATE DOLLARS) in cash
Credited to file=20
KPC/9080118308/02.This is from a total cash prize of
$120=2C 000000.00 Million=20
dollars=2C shared amongst the first One Hundred=20
(100)=20

Lucky winners in this=20
category worldwide.
Please note that your lucky=20
winning number falls within our Afro
Booklet representative=20
office in
Africa as indicated in your play coupon. In=20
view of this=2C your US$1.2M
USD. (ONE MILLION TWO=20
HUNDRED T HOUSAND UNITED STATE DOLLARS)=20
Would=20
be
Released to you by Absa Bank=20
South Africa .
Our African agent will=20
immediately commence the process to facilitate
the re lease of your funds=20
as
Soon as you contact him. All=20
participants were selected randomly from
World Wide Web  site=20
through
Computer draws system and=20
extracted from over 10=2C000=2C00 companies.
This promotion takes place=20
annually. For security reasons=2C you are
advised to keep your=20
winning
Information confidential=20
till your claim is processed and your money
Remitted to you in whatever=20
manner you deem fit to claim your prize.
This is part of our=20
precautionary measure to avoid double claiming
and unwarranted abuse of=20
this program by some unscrupulous elements.
Please be warned. To file=20
for your claim=2C please
Contact our corresponding=20
agent in South Africa immediately you read
this message for quick and=20
urgent release of your fund=2C contact
Information is as=20
follow.
MR. ZUMA=20
ADAMS.
E-mail :( zumaadams@live.com )
Call Direct Hot Line 24hrs:=20
+ 27 73 970 2374).
Please be informed that all winning must=20
be claimed on or before=20
September 30th     2009.=20
To avoid unnecessary delays and complications=2C=20
Please quote your=20
reference/batch numbers in any correspondences with
Our Designated agent or=20
us.
Congratulations once more=20
from all members and staffs of this program
that has successfully won=20
this competition. Thank you for being part
of our promotional lottery=20
program.
Sincerely=2C=20

MRS.ROSE ADAMS=20
.
United Kingdom Zonal=20
Co-coordinator.
Mr. Alexandra=20
Davis
United=20
Kingdom zonal=20
Secretary General.
Thank you for your=20
Co-operation. =

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><em><span style=3D"COL=
OR: red"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"6">From: Mrs. ROSE=20
ADAMS.</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><=
span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Euro-Afro-=
American- Asia=20
=96Detol Sweepstake Lottery</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"=
><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font =
size=3D"6">&nbsp=3Bheadquarters: 1a=2C Bexon=20
Court Carlton</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></=
i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Not=
tingham shire Nottingham=20
NG4 1SQ Essex</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></=
i><font size=3D"6"><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Uni=
ted=20
Kingdom</span></em><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial">.</=
span></em></font><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span sty=
le=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Customer Service: =
580 NCA=20
85914</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><s=
pan style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Ref:=20
EAASL/941OYI/04</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span>=
</i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">B=
atch: 12/25/DC34 RE:=20
LOTTO.</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><=
span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Call U.K H=
otline 24 hours=20
Tel: + 44 7024 -060189)</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br=
></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=
=3D"6">=3B CONGRATULATIONS WINNING=20
NOTIFICATION:</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></=
i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">Dea=
r</font></span></em><i><span style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span =
style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><font size=3D"6">We happily anno=
unce to you=20
the draw of the Euro-Afro- American- Asia</font></span></em><i><span style=
=3D"COLOR: red"><br><em><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"6">Detol-</f=
ont></em></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><f=
ont size=3D"6">Sweepstake Lottery=20
International programs held on the 1st Jan 2009 in</font></span></em><i><sp=
an style=3D"COLOR: red"><br></span></i><em><span style=3D"COLOR: red=3B FON=
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i thought others would find it informative. conclusion: don't upgrade your
lappy for live tasks and better test everything (hw/sw) booting from another
disk.

2009/9/10 Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>

> A well thought-out and timely article. Thanks, Raul.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/08/26/snow-leopard-watch-changes-compatibility-caution-native-instruments-plogue/
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i thought others would find it informative. conclusion: don&#39;t upgrade y=
our lappy for live tasks and better test everything (hw/sw) booting from an=
other disk.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/10 Warren Sirota <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com">wsirota@wsdesigns=
.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">A well thought-ou=
t and timely article. Thanks, Raul.<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><b=
r>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Raul Bonell <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><a href=3D"http:/=
/createdigitalmusic.com/2009/08/26/snow-leopard-watch-changes-compatibility=
-caution-native-instruments-plogue/" target=3D"_blank">http://createdigital=
music.com/2009/08/26/snow-leopard-watch-changes-compatibility-caution-nativ=
e-instruments-plogue/</a><br clear=3D"all">

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i read somewhere christian wolff saying contemporary music should have this
quality.

2009/9/9 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>

> I was listening to Sjaak's beautiful ambient piece after having just
> listened
> to Anders Skittered Blues piece.
>
> I thought I had turned the volume off on Anders Soundclick page but somehow
> the track restarted
> and started playing as a very quiet backdrop to Sjaak's piece.
>
> I was not concentrating but doing festival email business and
> by the middle of both pieces some beautiful synchronistic stuff was going
> on.
>
> It's a fascinating accidental listen, imho.
>
> try it out.   Make sure that Anders track is just barely audible or it
> doesn't work.
> I had the volume set at 2 or 3 on the Soundclick player and the normal Mp3
> volume
> on the downloaded piece by Sjaak.
>
> Beautiful piece just by itself, Sjaak.  I hope you'll play it at the
> festival coming up.
> I can't wait to see you again.
>
> Rick
>
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i read somewhere christian wolff saying contemporary music should have this=
 quality. <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/9 Rick Walker <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:looppool@cruzio.com">looppool@cruzio.com</a>=
&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I was listening t=
o Sjaak&#39;s beautiful ambient piece after having just listened<br>
to Anders Skittered Blues piece.<br>
<br>
I thought I had turned the volume off on Anders Soundclick page but somehow=
 the track restarted<br>
and started playing as a very quiet backdrop to Sjaak&#39;s piece.<br>
<br>
I was not concentrating but doing festival email business and<br>
by the middle of both pieces some beautiful synchronistic stuff was going o=
n.<br>
<br>
It&#39;s a fascinating accidental listen, imho.<br>
<br>
try it out. =A0 Make sure that Anders track is just barely audible or it do=
esn&#39;t work.<br>
I had the volume set at 2 or 3 on the Soundclick player and the normal Mp3 =
volume<br>
on the downloaded piece by Sjaak.<br>
<br>
Beautiful piece just by itself, Sjaak. =A0I hope you&#39;ll play it at the =
festival coming up.<br>
I can&#39;t wait to see you again.<br><font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
Rick<br>
<br>
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<head><style>body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;}p{margin:0px}</style></head><body id="compText">very cool-i lov the way way you done did that.<div>more please</div><div>s<br><br><br><blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message-----
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<br><br><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrn7Fj7_j4c"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1252540789_56">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrn7Fj7_j4c</span></a></font><br><br><div><address style="font-family: arial narrow; font-weight: bold;"><font color="#bf00bf" size="4">Kyle Dean Patten</font></address> <address>P.O. Box 22</address> <address>Johnston, IA&nbsp; 50131</address> <address>&nbsp;</address> <address><a rel="nofollow" style="font-weight: bold;" target="_blank" href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten </a><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 128, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(64, 64, 255); font-weight:
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hi lurker :-)

which harmonizer does the 3rds up?

thanks for sharing!


2009/9/10 K D Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrn7Fj7_j4c
>
> Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA  50131   http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
>
> http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten
> **
>
>
> <http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/GWQuiz/Testindex.html>
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hi lurker :-)<br><br>which harmonizer does the 3rds up?<br><br>thanks for s=
haring!<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/10 K D Patten <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kdpatten@yahoo.com">kdpatten@yahoo.com</a>&=
gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><table border=3D"=
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<font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">=
</span></font><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><a href=3D"http://w=
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRrn7Fj7_j4c" target=3D"_blank"><span>http://www.yo=
utube.com/watch?v=3DRrn7Fj7_j4c</span></a></font><br>
<br><div><address style=3D"font-family: arial narrow; font-weight: bold;"><=
font color=3D"#bf00bf" size=3D"4">Kyle Dean Patten</font></address> <addres=
s>P.O. Box 22</address> <address>Johnston, IA=A0 50131</address> <address>=
=A0</address> <address><a rel=3D"nofollow" style=3D"font-weight: bold;" hre=
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.com/cd/kdpatten </a><br>
<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"></span><span style=3D"color: rgb(128=
, 128, 255);"><span style=3D"color: rgb(64, 64, 255); font-weight: bold;"><=
a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten" target=3D"_blank">http://w=
ww.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten</a></span><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">=
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</span><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 127, 127);"></span><=
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//raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://w=
ww.ct-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
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Digitech Vocalist Performer.....used off of EBay since they don't make it a=
ny more......i didn't use any theory to figure the harmony out ...just fish=
ed for it on the settings....and settled on the closest i could live with

Kyle


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From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: a lurker here..... i finalaly got some thing up on YouTube
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:48 PM

hi lurker :-)

which harmonizer does the 3rds up?

thanks for sharing!


2009/9/10 K D Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com>
=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRrn7Fj7_j4c
=0A
Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA=A0 50131 =A0 http://www.cdbaby.co=
m/cd/kdpatten=20
=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20
=0A


=0A


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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Digitech Vocalist Performer.....used off of E=
Bay since they don't make it any more......i didn't use any theory to figur=
e the harmony out ...just fished for it on the settings....and settled on t=
he closest i could live with<br><br><div><address><font color=3D"#bf00bf" s=
ize=3D"4">Kyle</font><span style=3D"color: rgb(128, 128, 255);"><br></span>=
<b style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: gre=
en;"></span></b><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.gl=
obalwarmingheartland.org/GWQuiz/Testindex.html"><span class=3D"yshortcuts" =
id=3D"lw_1230810272_0"><br></span></a></address></div><br>--- On <b>Wed, 9/=
9/09, Raul <span>Bonell</span> <i>&lt;raul.bonell@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wro=
te:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin=
-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Raul Bonell &lt;raul.bonell@gmail=
.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re:
 a lurker here..... i finalaly got some thing up on YouTube<br>To: Loopers-=
Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:48 PM=
<br><br><div id=3D"yiv650119610">hi lurker :-)<br><br>which harmonizer does=
 the 3rds up?<br><br>thanks for sharing!<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2009/9/10 K D Patten <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:kdpatten@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dk=
dpatten@yahoo.com">kdpatten@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span><br>=0A<blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margi=
n: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><table border=3D"0" cellpadding=
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-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-size: in=
herit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inher=
it;" valign=3D"top">=0A<font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12pt;"></span></font><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3"><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/wa=
tch?v=3DRrn7Fj7_j4c"><span>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRrn7Fj7_j4c</sp=
an></a></font><br>=0A<br><div><address style=3D"font-family: arial narrow; =
font-weight: bold;"><font color=3D"#bf00bf" size=3D"4">Kyle Dean Patten</fo=
nt></address> <address>P.O. Box 22</address> <address>Johnston, IA&nbsp; 50=
131</address> <address>&nbsp;</address> <address><a rel=3D"nofollow" style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/=
kdpatten">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten </a><br>=0A<span style=3D"color=
: rgb(0, 0, 255);"></span><span style=3D"color: rgb(128, 128, 255);"><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(64, 64, 255); font-weight: bold;"><a rel=3D"nofollow" t=
arget=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten">http://www.=
myspace.com/kyledeanpatten</a></span><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>=0A</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 127, 127);"></span><b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: green;"></span></b><br><=
br><br><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.globalwarmi=
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tp://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br>Chain T=
ape Collective: <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ct=
-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>=0A<br>=0A</div></bloc=
kquote></td></tr></table>
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Per Boysen schrieb:
> In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage methods ;-)

John Cage was not an improviser, nor did he want improvisation in his
pieces. His work is about chance and the unforeseeable...

> The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good strategies to throw
> yourself out of what you like and what you feel in order to 
> successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical instinct 
> when confronting the un-known.

Stockhausen wanted to make a clear distinction between improvisation,
which in his time was mostly related to Jazz improvisation, and his
concept of free music. Thats why he called it intuitive music.
I like that term, though all the free jazz scene of the seventies called 
this sort of intuitive music still improvisation...
Improvisation in Jazz, Indian music or what Greatful Dead did is not
free improvisation, as it follows pretty strict rules...

Stefan

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Louigi Verona schrieb:
> This sounds reasonable, but in real life turns out to be a disaster. In 
> order to control what everybody does with your music, you would require 
> draconian measures and you will have to literally spy on every person in 
> the world in order to actually see it through.

Don't worry, I just tell anybody who could freely download my stuff: Its 
ok, but if you use it commercially, please consider my part as important 
for whatever you gain with it...
If someone gains a little, I am not pissed if she does without asking, 
(I'd never search for abuses, it can't pay off...) though if my patches 
or music appears in a Microschuft product its likely I would recognize...
I could even promise to never install a lawyer or sue anybody, and if 
Microschuft would not respect my wishes, I'd make it public in a way 
they wouldn't be amused... ;-)
Its not at all about legal actions, but being clear about what I want. I 
simply trust that this will be respected...

Stefan

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On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:59 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
> I was not concentrating but doing festival email business and
> by the middle of both pieces some beautiful synchronistic stuff was going
> on. It's a fascinating accidental listen, imho.

Hi Rick,
Thanks for the tip, I will try it out ;)

> Beautiful piece just by itself, Sjaak. =A0I hope you'll play it at the fe=
stival coming up.
> I can't wait to see you again.

Actually, this was a candidate track for the cd I'm working. But since
it contains some plops and clicks, I had to kill it for the cd
project. Btw: I have played this with my new airplane friendly looping
configuration I've been working on for the last 2 months, so I should
be able to play something in the same style at the festival.

And yes, I'm really looking forward to meet you again and many others
from the list. And....good luck with organizing this fantastic
festival; I know how difficult it is to do that: answering tons of
emails, picking up people and driving like crazy....it's pretty hectic
and I only had 8 artists on my festival in stead of the 50-60 you have
to deal with ;)

--=20
Sjaak Overgaauw
http://premonitionfactory.com/
http://livelooping.be/
http://euroloopfest.com/

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Thanks!!=20

=20

I tottaly agree with you're sentiments on popular blues=2C even if I can en=
joy Robben Ford and Joe Bonammassa=2C at occasions=2C they play something t=
hat is a VERY long way from the African heritage. When I listen to Robben J=
ohnsson=2C Muddy=2C Wolf=2C Elmore James it is a very different music. Raw=
=2C repetitive powerful yet beautiful and emotional.=20

And I am very grateful and glad for these thoughtful comments. NExt year I =
will try to buy less gear and instead save up to go and play at you're loop=
ing festival=2C it would be a privilege!

=20

I now feel that I'm starting to find a "voice" with looping=2C my intention=
 when I got the EDP was to dio sort of repetitive blues inspired looping=2C=
 perhaps with some influence of rock and country. Just using what I have be=
en doing with bands for 20 years to something mote personal.=20

=20

And thanks to this community for all inspiring music and discussions...

=20

Anders

=20
> Date: Tue=2C 8 Sep 2009 17:47:13 -0700
> From: looppool@cruzio.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: re: A new piece of music... seriously was.....
>=20
> This is really hip Anders.
>=20
> It's interestingly synchronous to me=2C as well=2C because
> I've been on a jag listening to both Ali and Vieux Farka Toure as well
> as a bunch of really early Delta Blues and realizing how primal and=20
> effecting
> the blues can be when it's not associated with the typical commercial=20
> blues club and
> blues jam kinds of things that are so ubiquitous (and which bore me=2C=20
> frankly).
>=20
> Just yesterday I was experimenting with a Malian-esque piece on baritone=
=20
> ukulele of all things.
> Through a little bit of overdrive it actually sounded killer.
>=20
> The cool thing is that you really capture this primal quality in this=20
> improvisation.
> I really like it a lot.
>=20
> I wish I had tons of money. I'd love to just fly you over here to play=20
> it for us at the loopfestival.
> The recession has just killed us out here in Northern California=2C thoug=
h=20
> (probably everywhere=2C too)
> so we're dependent on people managing to come on their own dime.
>=20
> You have a standing invite to perform at the festival if you can ever=20
> make it in the 3rd week of October.
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&nbsp=3B<BR>
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 perhaps with some influence of rock and country. Just using what I have be=
en doing with bands for 20 years to something mote personal.&nbsp=3B<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
And thanks to this community for all inspiring music and discussions...<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
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William Walker wrote:
> On 3 Sep 2009, at 08:19, andy butler wrote:
> 
>  
> 
>>  I find that any time I need to hold down a button in the top row I
> 
>>  tend to hit the bottom row.
> 
>>  It's something that's a real problem at gigs.
> 
>>  (not a problem with fcb1010, where the buttons lend enough support to
> 
>>  rest the toe without pressing).
> 
>  
> 
> Steve B wrote:
> 
> I have to steady myself with my other foot (even though I'm sitting down 
> anyway)! Slightly awkward, but I'm used to it now. Other than that I 
> find it [Gordius LG] a great unit, particularly in terms of size and 
> weight. The FCB1010 is a pain when travelling a lot!
 
Bill wrote 
>  Actually Andy and Steve, what solved this problem for me was mounting 
> the gordius on an angled pedal board surface, in my case I put it on a 
> pedal train pro aluminum frame board, not exactly flight worthy but not 
> overly heavy for land travel. But any angled surface will work even a 
> ply wood one you made your self. It doesn’t completely eradicate the 
> issue but it helps a lot.
> 
>  Bill

cheers Bill,
How big an angle?
(oh, and I should recap that we're talking about the Gordius LG here).


  
> 
> PS Hey Steve isn’t resampling grand?  Two looper (in series) is always 
> better than one J

Yep, have to admit I only started doing that this year,
with the EH Stereo Memory Man in front of my regular rig.
(the Walker's have been doing this for yearswith DL4s).
With the EH device I like to load up a simple melody and
play it back at different speeds while re-sampling.

andy



> 

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Stefan Tiedje wrote:
> Per Boysen schrieb:
>> In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage methods ;-)
> 
> John Cage was not an improviser, nor did he want improvisation in his
> pieces. His work is about chance and the unforeseeable...
> 
>> The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good strategies to throw
>> yourself out of what you like and what you feel in order to 
>> successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical instinct 
>> when confronting the un-known.
> 
> Stockhausen wanted to make a clear distinction between improvisation,
> which in his time was mostly related to Jazz improvisation, and his
> concept of free music. Thats why he called it intuitive music.
> I like that term, though all the free jazz scene of the seventies called 
> this sort of intuitive music still improvisation...
> Improvisation in Jazz, Indian music or what Greatful Dead did is not
> free improvisation, as it follows pretty strict rules...

Stockhausen's rules weren't written down, and I guess they weren't
explicitly stated.
...but the results always follow the "house style".
(e.g. "approximate short wave radio noises")

I'd doubt it's possible for improv to really be free without
conforming to some syle or other.


andy


> 
> Stefan
> 

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there's a short text called "intuitive music" written by stockhausen
himself, isn't stefan?

2009/9/10 andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>

>
>
> Stefan Tiedje wrote:
>
>> Per Boysen schrieb:
>>
>>> In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage methods ;-)
>>>
>>
>> John Cage was not an improviser, nor did he want improvisation in his
>> pieces. His work is about chance and the unforeseeable...
>>
>>  The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good strategies to throw
>>> yourself out of what you like and what you feel in order to successfully
>>> experiment with the reactions of your musical instinct when confronting the
>>> un-known.
>>>
>>
>> Stockhausen wanted to make a clear distinction between improvisation,
>> which in his time was mostly related to Jazz improvisation, and his
>> concept of free music. Thats why he called it intuitive music.
>> I like that term, though all the free jazz scene of the seventies called
>> this sort of intuitive music still improvisation...
>> Improvisation in Jazz, Indian music or what Greatful Dead did is not
>> free improvisation, as it follows pretty strict rules...
>>
>
> Stockhausen's rules weren't written down, and I guess they weren't
> explicitly stated.
> ...but the results always follow the "house style".
> (e.g. "approximate short wave radio noises")
>
> I'd doubt it's possible for improv to really be free without
> conforming to some syle or other.
>
>
> andy
>
>
>
>> Stefan
>>
>>
>


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there&#39;s a short text called &quot;intuitive music&quot; written by stoc=
khausen himself, isn&#39;t stefan? <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/=
9/10 andy butler <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:akbutler@tiscali.c=
o.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"im"=
><br>
<br>
Stefan Tiedje wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Per Boysen schrieb:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage methods ;-)<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
John Cage was not an improviser, nor did he want improvisation in his<br>
pieces. His work is about chance and the unforeseeable...<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good strategies to throw<br>
yourself out of what you like and what you feel in order to successfully ex=
periment with the reactions of your musical instinct when confronting the u=
n-known.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Stockhausen wanted to make a clear distinction between improvisation,<br>
which in his time was mostly related to Jazz improvisation, and his<br>
concept of free music. Thats why he called it intuitive music.<br>
I like that term, though all the free jazz scene of the seventies called th=
is sort of intuitive music still improvisation...<br>
Improvisation in Jazz, Indian music or what Greatful Dead did is not<br>
free improvisation, as it follows pretty strict rules...<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Stockhausen&#39;s rules weren&#39;t written down, and I guess they weren&#3=
9;t<br>
explicitly stated.<br>
...but the results always follow the &quot;house style&quot;.<br>
(e.g. &quot;approximate short wave radio noises&quot;)<br>
<br>
I&#39;d doubt it&#39;s possible for improv to really be free without<br>
conforming to some syle or other.<br>
<br>
<br>
andy<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
Stefan<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at Blogger:=
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://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
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nicely done and very good approach, that of go fishing.

2009/9/10 K D Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com>

> Digitech Vocalist Performer.....used off of EBay since they don't make it
> any more......i didn't use any theory to figure the harmony out ...just
> fished for it on the settings....and settled on the closest i could live
> with
>
> Kyle
> **
> <http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/GWQuiz/Testindex.html>
>
> --- On *Wed, 9/9/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: a lurker here..... i finalaly got some thing up on YouTube
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:48 PM
>
>
> hi lurker :-)
>
> which harmonizer does the 3rds up?
>
> thanks for sharing!
>
>
> 2009/9/10 K D Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=kdpatten@yahoo.com>
> >
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrn7Fj7_j4c
>>
>> Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA  50131   http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
>>
>> http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten
>> **
>>
>>
>> <http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/GWQuiz/Testindex.html>
>>
>
>
>
> --
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>
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nicely done and very good approach, that of go fishing.<br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/10 K D Patten <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:kdpatten@yahoo.com">kdpatten@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); marg=
in: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td styl=
e=3D"font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font=
-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjus=
t: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign=3D"top">
Digitech Vocalist Performer.....used off of EBay since they don&#39;t make =
it any more......i didn&#39;t use any theory to figure the harmony out ...j=
ust fished for it on the settings....and settled on the closest i could liv=
e with<br>
<br><div><address><font color=3D"#bf00bf" size=3D"4">Kyle</font><span style=
=3D"color: rgb(128, 128, 255);"><br></span><b><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt=
; font-family: Arial; color: green;"></span></b><a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D=
"http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/GWQuiz/Testindex.html" target=3D"_bl=
ank"><span><br>
</span></a></address></div><br>--- On <b>Wed, 9/9/09, Raul <span>Bonell</sp=
an> <i>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">raul.=
bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left=
: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">
<br>From: Raul Bonell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re:
 a lurker here..... i finalaly got some thing up on YouTube<div class=3D"im=
"><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"=
_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br></div>Date: Wednesday, S=
eptember 9, 2009, 11:48 PM<div>
<div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div>hi lurker :-)<br><br>which harmon=
izer does the 3rds up?<br><br>thanks for sharing!<br><br><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">2009/9/10 K D Patten <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow"=
 href=3D"http://mc/compose?to=3Dkdpatten@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">kdpat=
ten@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span><br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><table border=3D"=
0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit;=
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stretch: inherit;" valign=3D"top">

<font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">=
</span></font><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><a rel=3D"nofollow"=
 href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRrn7Fj7_j4c" target=3D"_blank"><s=
pan>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRrn7Fj7_j4c</span></a></font><br>

<br><div><address style=3D"font-family: arial narrow; font-weight: bold;"><=
font color=3D"#bf00bf" size=3D"4">Kyle Dean Patten</font></address> <addres=
s>P.O. Box 22</address> <address>Johnston, IA=A0 50131</address> <address>=
=A0</address> <address><a rel=3D"nofollow" style=3D"font-weight: bold;" hre=
f=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten" target=3D"_blank">http://www.cdbaby=
.com/cd/kdpatten </a><br>

<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"></span><span style=3D"color: rgb(128=
, 128, 255);"><span style=3D"color: rgb(64, 64, 255); font-weight: bold;"><=
a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten" target=3D=
"_blank">http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten</a></span><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight: bold;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0</span>=A0=A0=A0 <br>

</span><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 127, 127);"></span><=
b><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: green;"></span>=
</b><br><br><br><a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://www.globalwarmingheartla=
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</div>

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<br>
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> Per Boysen schrieb:
>>
>> In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage methods ;-)

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Stefan Tiedje
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> John Cage was not an improviser, nor did he want improvisation in his
> pieces. His work is about chance and the unforeseeable...


Yes, no one has said John Cage was an improviser! The article this
thread discussed also points that out. The similarity I mentioned is
the practicing of strategies for reaching into that realm of chance
and unforseeability. Unfortunately the link to the source article is
now lost from the thread's quote area but you should be able to find
it in the archives.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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AFTERGLOW ON WMUH:                      http://soundscapes.us/afterglow
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and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1
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CD at Midnight will be disc two from "Far Away Trains Passing By" on
Domino Records.  For details, see the Special Focus page at:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/focus.html#sep

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airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1
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Hi Sjaak,

Really cool piece.
Totally chilled.
Looking forward to seeing and hearing you do this live at the Fest.

Andre

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On Thu, September 10, 2009 3:12 am, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:59 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> I was not concentrating but doing festival email business and
>> by the middle of both pieces some beautiful synchronistic stuff was
>> going
>> on. It's a fascinating accidental listen, imho.
>
> Hi Rick,
> Thanks for the tip, I will try it out ;)
>
>> Beautiful piece just by itself, Sjaak.  I hope you'll play it at the
>> festival coming up.
>> I can't wait to see you again.
>
> Actually, this was a candidate track for the cd I'm working. But since
> it contains some plops and clicks, I had to kill it for the cd
> project. Btw: I have played this with my new airplane friendly looping
> configuration I've been working on for the last 2 months, so I should
> be able to play something in the same style at the festival.
>
> And yes, I'm really looking forward to meet you again and many others
> from the list. And....good luck with organizing this fantastic
> festival; I know how difficult it is to do that: answering tons of
> emails, picking up people and driving like crazy....it's pretty hectic
> and I only had 8 artists on my festival in stead of the 50-60 you have
> to deal with ;)
>
> --
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>
>



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(Funny Off Topic)
How bizarre! This guy is making music on a giant howling sperm! Don't
miss the best part at the end of the video http://bit.ly/2FNu5Z

Greetings from Sweden

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!!!!!!!!! I laughed til I stopped!!!
On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> (Funny Off Topic)
> How bizarre! This guy is making music on a giant howling sperm! Don't
> miss the best part at the end of the video http://bit.ly/2FNu5Z
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
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That is some seriously funny stuff! :)
Thanks Per!


On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:17 PM, doc rossi <docittern@gmail.com> wrote:

> !!!!!!!!! I laughed til I stopped!!!
>
> On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>  (Funny Off Topic)
>> How bizarre! This guy is making music on a giant howling sperm! Don't
>> miss the best part at the end of the video http://bit.ly/2FNu5Z
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se
>> www.perboysen.com
>>
>>
>
>
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That is some seriously funny stuff! :)<br>Thanks Per!<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:17 PM, doc rossi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:docittern@gmail.com">docittern@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">!!!!!!!!! I laughed til I stopped!!!<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Per Boysen wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
(Funny Off Topic)<br>
How bizarre! This guy is making music on a giant howling sperm! Don&#39;t<br>
miss the best part at the end of the video <a href="http://bit.ly/2FNu5Z" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2FNu5Z</a><br>
<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href="http://www.boysen.se" target="_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br>
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> Hi Sjaak,
> Really cool piece.
> Totally chilled.
> Looking forward to seeing and hearing you do this live at the Fest.

Thanks Andre, I'll do my best ;-)

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puta locura !!! ... the final rocks!

2009/9/10 Lasse juul Kolding <dubbilan@gmail.com>

> That is some seriously funny stuff! :)
> Thanks Per!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:17 PM, doc rossi <docittern@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> !!!!!!!!! I laughed til I stopped!!!
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
>>
>>  (Funny Off Topic)
>>> How bizarre! This guy is making music on a giant howling sperm! Don't
>>> miss the best part at the end of the video http://bit.ly/2FNu5Z
>>>
>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>
>>> Per Boysen
>>> www.boysen.se
>>> www.perboysen.com
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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puta locura !!! ... the final rocks!<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009=
/9/10 Lasse juul Kolding <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dubbilan@g=
mail.com">dubbilan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0=
pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
That is some seriously funny stuff! :)<br>Thanks Per!<div><div></div><div c=
lass=3D"h5"><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at =
9:17 PM, doc rossi <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:docittern@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">docittern@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">!!!!!!!!! I laugh=
ed til I stopped!!!<div><div></div><div><br>
On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Per Boysen wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
(Funny Off Topic)<br>
How bizarre! This guy is making music on a giant howling sperm! Don&#39;t<b=
r>
miss the best part at the end of the video <a href=3D"http://bit.ly/2FNu5Z"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://bit.ly/2FNu5Z</a><br>
<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
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<br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell=
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logspot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collecti=
ve.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
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Funny!

On a more serious side . .  the sound of the thing reminded me of an erhu.

I think the potential for some real expressivity is there . . . if someone chose to master it.

Best,

Ted

---- Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: 

=============
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How bizarre! This guy is making music on a giant howling sperm! Don't
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Greetings from Sweden

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http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/showcase-49/

Picture 4 is one of mine.

BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at 
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way cool!  Congrats!
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Hi
A bit OT but I know this may interest some of you.

http://www.inudge.net/index.en.html

Have fun 

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New cool Max 4 Live gadget:
http://ow.ly/oW7P

Goddammit, I need to find out why the SoundToys plug-ins sound like crap in
Live - and fix that issue so I can start using Live.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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New cool Max 4 Live gadget: <br><a href="http://ow.ly/oW7P">http://ow.ly/oW7P</a><br><br>Goddammit, I need to find out why the SoundToys plug-ins sound like crap in Live - and fix that issue so I can start using Live. <br>
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Yeah, Christopher Willits has done some interesting things with this in =
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Ricky
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Hi guys

not a lurker, even if in stand-by mode for a long time

I'm addressing this message to italian loopers, and especially to the =20=

ones living near me.
We did this long time ago, but apart from those coming from Fabio, =20
Luca and Massimo (ciao a tutti!), I haven't seen new "italian =20
posts" (or recognized them).

So allow me to write a few words in my beloved language to make a call =20=

for them.
But first - in regard of a topic about the utility of this list that I =20=

red a long time ago -
always remember that, even for the not active ones, this list is just =20=

so useful and full of hints and interesting readings.

A big hug to all the people I met years ago through LD.


best

b:k




Ciao a tutti

molto tempo fa era stato fatto su questa lista una sorta di appello =20
che aveva consentito ad alcuni di noi italiani che leggono LD di =20
entrare in contatto.
Ci riprovo ora, a distanza di anni, per vedere se si =E8 aggiunto =20
qualcuno che magari sta solo in ascolto e in lettura, come faccio io =20
da tanto.

Io sono a Milano. Decisamente inattivo da tempo: al punto che guardo =20
tutti i miei aggeggi e penso che sarebbe bello usarli un po' insieme a =20=

qualcuno, magari.

Insomma se ci siete battete un colpo.

ciao

b:k=

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Hi all

Thought you might find this interesting as I was looking to build one 
myself to control lives.

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/07/sexy-diy-footswitch-for-music-using-the-brain-of-a-usb-qwerty-keyboard/

regards
roger

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Links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmn4WyEMiE0 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7U2PalNlWY 

Feedback welcome.

Ricky

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roger wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Thought you might find this interesting as I was looking to build one 
> myself to control lives.
> 
> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/04/07/sexy-diy-footswitch-for-music-using-the-brain-of-a-usb-qwerty-keyboard/ 
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> regards
> roger
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Very cool link(s) Roger, Thanks.
I particularly liked the building a footswitch from a USB keypad, I 
bought one a few months ago with a view to using it....but my toes are 
too large! Interesting possibilities here (reaches for ancient Maplins 
catalogue...., roots through boxes of discarded footpedals....)
Dave

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Da Roma... eccomi !
A Pizzighettone vive Milco Montagna..., altro looper...
Spero di incontrarti prima o poi !

A presto
Fabio

Il giorno 11/set/2009, alle ore 14.48, "Bruno E. Kleinefeld" =
<bruno.bk@gmail.com=20
 > ha scritto:

> Hi guys
>
> not a lurker, even if in stand-by mode for a long time
>
> I'm addressing this message to italian loopers, and especially to =20
> the ones living near me.
> We did this long time ago, but apart from those coming from Fabio, =20
> Luca and Massimo (ciao a tutti!), I haven't seen new "italian =20
> posts" (or recognized them).
>
> So allow me to write a few words in my beloved language to make a =20
> call for them.
> But first - in regard of a topic about the utility of this list that =20=

> I red a long time ago -
> always remember that, even for the not active ones, this list is =20
> just so useful and full of hints and interesting readings.
>
> A big hug to all the people I met years ago through LD.
>
>
> best
>
> b:k
>
>
>
>
> Ciao a tutti
>
> molto tempo fa era stato fatto su questa lista una sorta di appello =20=

> che aveva consentito ad alcuni di noi italiani che leggono LD di =20
> entrare in contatto.
> Ci riprovo ora, a distanza di anni, per vedere se si =C3=A8 aggiunto =
qual=20
> cuno che magari sta solo in ascolto e in lettura, come faccio io da =20=

> tanto.
>
> Io sono a Milano. Decisamente inattivo da tempo: al punto che guardo =20=

> tutti i miei aggeggi e penso che sarebbe bello usarli un po' insieme =20=

> a qualcuno, magari.
>
> Insomma se ci siete battete un colpo.
>
> ciao
>
> b:k

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 > The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good
>> strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in
>> order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical
>> instinct when confronting the un-known.

Thanks for that quote, Per! I have never thought of improvisation in quite
that way before, but it gave me an Aha! moment when I read it.  Does anyone
have suggestions for practicing  throwing oneself out of what you like or
feel when practicing at home alone?

This approach to improvisation makes me think of John Zorn's game piece
"Cobra" where all the performers learn hand signals to tell the conducter
what should happen next in the music, and then conducter conducts a downbeat
to tell the performers when to implement the new command. It's a great piece
to see live, since the performers are going to end up in a situation new to
them at some point and requires them to listen to what is happening at the
moment to know what to play next and not rely on the predetermined song
structure.  This created an electric energy and synergy when I saw it live.

Jack

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Per Boysen schrieb:
> >>
> >> In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage methods ;-)
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Stefan Tiedje
> <stefantiedje@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > John Cage was not an improviser, nor did he want improvisation in his
> > pieces. His work is about chance and the unforeseeable...
>
>
> Yes, no one has said John Cage was an improviser! The article this
> thread discussed also points that out. The similarity I mentioned is
> the practicing of strategies for reaching into that realm of chance
> and unforseeability. Unfortunately the link to the source article is
> now lost from the thread's quote area but you should be able to find
> it in the archives.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>

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&gt; The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good<br>
&gt;&gt; strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you fee=
l in<br>
&gt;&gt; order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musica=
l<br>
&gt;&gt; instinct when confronting the un-known.<br>
<br>Thanks for that quote, Per! I have never thought of improvisation in qu=
ite that way before, but it gave me an Aha! moment when I read it.=A0 Does =
anyone have suggestions for practicing=A0 throwing oneself out of what you =
like or feel when practicing at home alone?<br>
<br>This approach to improvisation makes me think of John Zorn&#39;s game p=
iece &quot;Cobra&quot; where all the performers learn hand signals to tell =
the conducter what should happen next in the music, and then conducter cond=
ucts a downbeat to tell the performers when to implement the new command. I=
t&#39;s a great piece to see live, since the performers are going to end up=
 in a situation new to them at some point and requires them to listen to wh=
at is happening at the moment to know what to play next and not rely on the=
 predetermined song structure.=A0 This created an electric energy and syner=
gy when I saw it live.<br>
<br>Jack<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:10 AM,=
 Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">pe=
rboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
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.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">&gt; Per Boysen schrieb:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage methods ;-)=
<br>
<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Stefan Tiedje<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stefantiedje@googlemail.com">stefantiedje@googlemail.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; John Cage was not an improviser, nor did he want improvisation in his<=
br>
&gt; pieces. His work is about chance and the unforeseeable...<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Yes, no one has said John Cage was an improviser! The article this<br=
>
thread discussed also points that out. The similarity I mentioned is<br>
the practicing of strategies for reaching into that realm of chance<br>
and unforseeability. Unfortunately the link to the source article is<br>
now lost from the thread&#39;s quote area but you should be able to find<br=
>
it in the archives.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<br>
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Hi Folks,

A few looping videos from some recent performances.

Links:

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 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7U2PalNlWY 

 Feedback welcome,
 
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Very nice!

---- Ricky Graham <rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote: 

=============
Hi Folks,

A few looping videos from some recent performances.

Links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmn4WyEMiE0 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7U2PalNlWY 

 Feedback welcome,
 
 Ricky

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oh my!

richard sales
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http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/showcase-49/

Picture 4 is one of mine.

BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at 
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That is an awesome picture! Bravo!

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Excellent stuff.

On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote:

> http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/showcase-49/
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> Picture 4 is one of mine.
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> BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/
> -- 
> " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better."  -- Paul Bley
>
> 		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
> Video Producer			Image Processing Specialist
> Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
> http://www.foryourhead.com		http://www.borisfx.com

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I just took delivery on a brand new Boomerang III yesterday. Here's my 
impression:

First, this is a "pre-production" unit. That means that playing multiple 
loops together is not implemented yet, except for using loop 3 as a "Master" 
loop, in which case you can slave the other 3 loops to it.

The unit arrived in absolutely perfect shape cosmetically. It looks a lot 
nicer than it does in the pics on the site, and it is much smaller in size 
than the Boomerang II. In fact, I was surprised how small it is, yet it is 
large enough to have plenty of room around each button.

The buttons are the same that are used on the old 'Rang. I think these are 
perfect for a looper because they are very flat, low-profile and they have a 
minumum of throw distance. All this helps in timing, IMO.

Sound quality wise, I find the fidelity to be supurb. The recorded loops 
sound exactly like the original signal through my Hartke acoustic amp. The 
input level is very forgiving and I have yet to see any clipping at all. The 
unit handles all that internally (no switches and no input knob). The sound 
is clean and clear even when playing 9 or 10 layers simultaneously. The 
volume controls, which are mechanically detented, change the levels in very 
fine increments, not in perceptable steps. This is a real plus. I'm able to 
dial in the exactl levels I need for the loop playback.

Undo and redo works perfectly. There are no audible dropouts or seams 
between loops. I play one song with a 2.3 second loop, and unlike many 
modern loopers which have a minimum of 5 seconds or more, the Boomerang 
handles those super-short loops with ease.

I'm really trying hard right now to find something to complain about in 
order to make this a fair, balanced review, but I'm hard-pressed to come up 
with anything. Certainly as I use it I will think to myself, "I wish it had 
this or that feature", but let me tell you guys, right out of the box, this 
looper is an absolute monster with some real teeth.

Brian 

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Hello Brian,

I'm curious about how well, if at all, the Boomeran III can midi sync with a 
drum machine or other device.  I use the Gibson Echoplex and Lexicon Jamman 
primarily because I require the midi in/out for midi sync with my other 
machines.  I suppose I can look on the website for this info.  I believe the 
Boss RC-50 also has midi sync but it doesn't work well according reports. 
Maybe that's changed although off topic I know.

Congrats on your new Boomerang III!

Thanks,

Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
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>I just took delivery on a brand new Boomerang III yesterday. Here's my
> impression:
>
> First, this is a "pre-production" unit. That means that playing multiple
> loops together is not implemented yet, except for using loop 3 as a 
> "Master"
> loop, in which case you can slave the other 3 loops to it.
>
> The unit arrived in absolutely perfect shape cosmetically. It looks a lot
> nicer than it does in the pics on the site, and it is much smaller in size
> than the Boomerang II. In fact, I was surprised how small it is, yet it is
> large enough to have plenty of room around each button.
>
> The buttons are the same that are used on the old 'Rang. I think these are
> perfect for a looper because they are very flat, low-profile and they have 
> a
> minumum of throw distance. All this helps in timing, IMO.
>
> Sound quality wise, I find the fidelity to be supurb. The recorded loops
> sound exactly like the original signal through my Hartke acoustic amp. The
> input level is very forgiving and I have yet to see any clipping at all. 
> The
> unit handles all that internally (no switches and no input knob). The 
> sound
> is clean and clear even when playing 9 or 10 layers simultaneously. The
> volume controls, which are mechanically detented, change the levels in 
> very
> fine increments, not in perceptable steps. This is a real plus. I'm able 
> to
> dial in the exactl levels I need for the loop playback.
>
> Undo and redo works perfectly. There are no audible dropouts or seams
> between loops. I play one song with a 2.3 second loop, and unlike many
> modern loopers which have a minimum of 5 seconds or more, the Boomerang
> handles those super-short loops with ease.
>
> I'm really trying hard right now to find something to complain about in
> order to make this a fair, balanced review, but I'm hard-pressed to come 
> up
> with anything. Certainly as I use it I will think to myself, "I wish it 
> had
> this or that feature", but let me tell you guys, right out of the box, 
> this
> looper is an absolute monster with some real teeth.
>
> Brian
>


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Hi Jim,

No midi sync as of now. It does have 2 mysterious "Pedal Link" jacks which 
right now are used only to accept a midi upload of the host software. They 
look just like midi jacks.

I don't think they are intending to market it with midi sync capabilities, 
but it does look like those jacks leave open all sorts of future 
possibilities. In the manual they hint at future expansion capabilities for 
those jacks.

I have no idea whether it's technically feasible to develop midi sync for 
those in the future.

Brian


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> Hello Brian,
>
> I'm curious about how well, if at all, the Boomeran III can midi sync with 
> a drum machine or other device.  I use the Gibson Echoplex and Lexicon 
> Jamman primarily because I require the midi in/out for midi sync with my 
> other machines.  I suppose I can look on the website for this info.  I 
> believe the Boss RC-50 also has midi sync but it doesn't work well 
> according reports. Maybe that's changed although off topic I know.
>
> Congrats on your new Boomerang III!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim 

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Hi Brian,

Thanks very much for the reply.  I checked with the website and they 
mentioned the two midi jacks on the back could be used for future midi 
expansion, but for the moment there are no plans.  In any event, it looks 
like a great looper nonetheless.  Enjoy!

Regards, Jim

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> Hi Jim,
>
> No midi sync as of now. It does have 2 mysterious "Pedal Link" jacks which
> right now are used only to accept a midi upload of the host software. They
> look just like midi jacks.
>
> I don't think they are intending to market it with midi sync capabilities,
> but it does look like those jacks leave open all sorts of future
> possibilities. In the manual they hint at future expansion capabilities 
> for
> those jacks.
>
> I have no idea whether it's technically feasible to develop midi sync for
> those in the future.
>
> Brian
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Atwood" <ricoche@axel.ocn.ne.jp>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Just received my Boomerang III yesterday
>
>
>> Hello Brian,
>>
>> I'm curious about how well, if at all, the Boomeran III can midi sync 
>> with
>> a drum machine or other device.  I use the Gibson Echoplex and Lexicon
>> Jamman primarily because I require the midi in/out for midi sync with my
>> other machines.  I suppose I can look on the website for this info.  I
>> believe the Boss RC-50 also has midi sync but it doesn't work well
>> according reports. Maybe that's changed although off topic I know.
>>
>> Congrats on your new Boomerang III!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim
>


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does anybody know of an onscreen big clock vst/au version for macs?

i could live with a regular clock, not counting bars, beats, etc ... just
time in minutes, seconds... syncing with the host, would be a plus, although
i think this should be a default behavior.

the host daw i'm using have small digits.

i know this could be done in mainstage, which i have, but i plan not to use
it this time.

if not, do you know some web resource where to find a smart but with big
digital numbers clock?

thanks in advance,

-- 
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does anybody know of an onscreen <font size=3D"6">big</font> clock vst/au v=
ersion for macs?<br><br>i could live with a regular clock, not counting bar=
s, beats, etc ... just time in minutes, seconds... syncing with the host, w=
ould be a plus, although i think this should be a default behavior. <br>
<br>the host daw i&#39;m using have small digits.<br><br>i know this could =
be done in mainstage, which i have, but i plan not to use it this time.<br>=
<br>if not, do you know some web resource where to find a smart but with bi=
g digital numbers clock?<br>
<br>thanks in advance,<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at Blogger: =
<a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</=
a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com">http:=
//www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
<br>

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On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:28 AM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:

> does anybody know of an onscreen big clock vst/au version for macs?
>
> i could live with a regular clock, not counting bars, beats, etc ... just
> time in minutes, seconds... syncing with the host, would be a plus, although
> i think this should be a default behavior.
>
> the host daw i'm using have small digits.
>


Not knowing what DAW this is I'd like to hint that if using Logic there is a
"large SMPTE display" option if you right-click the transport bar. The time
counter can be set up at any size.

To look for third-party plug-ins, do a search at KVR!

I know that you are not alone in wishing for a scalable time counter, so
there might be a fair chance somebody has mocked up something.

There are also normal time clocks available as OSX Widgets. If you start it
as you start the music it will follow close even though not in sync.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:28 AM, Raul Bonell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padd=
ing-left: 1ex;">
<div id=3D":3m" class=3D"ii gt">does anybody know of an onscreen <font size=
=3D"6">big</font> clock vst/au version for macs?<br><br>i could live with a=
 regular clock, not counting bars, beats, etc ... just time in minutes, sec=
onds... syncing with the host, would be a plus, although i think this shoul=
d be a default behavior. <br>

<br>the host daw i&#39;m using have small digits.</div></blockquote></div><=
br><br>Not knowing what DAW this is I&#39;d like to hint that if using Logi=
c there is a &quot;large SMPTE display&quot; option if you right-click the =
transport bar. The time counter can be set up at any size. <br>
<br>To look for third-party plug-ins, do a search at KVR! <br><br>I know th=
at you are not alone in wishing for a scalable time counter, so there might=
 be a fair chance somebody has mocked up something. <br><br>There are also =
normal time clocks available as OSX Widgets. If you start it as you start t=
he music it will follow close even though not in sync. <br>
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.co=
m">www.perboysen.com</a><br>

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this months Sound on Sound
has a very positive review of a Darkroom cd.

congrats to Os.

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Hi Brian=0Athank you kindly for this ive been also waiting for a floor peda=
l with this capabilities for a while!=0Alooks very promising...but they hav=
e to leave some room for midi sync that would be a real pitty if they didnt=
!!this combined with the adrenalinn stomp would be aaaawesome!=0Ado you hav=
e any experience with the RC-50?its size makes it already a winner for me b=
ut could you do a comparison in terms of practicality or intuitivity?=0Ache=
ers=0ALuis=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- BC <compguy2@comc=
ast.net> schrieb am Sa, 12.9.2009:=0A=0A> Von: BC <compguy2@comcast.net>=0A=
> Betreff: Just received my Boomerang III yesterday=0A> An: Loopers-Delight=
@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Samstag, 12. September 2009, 12:10=0A> I ju=
st took delivery on a brand new=0A> Boomerang III yesterday. Here's my impr=
ession:=0A> =0A> First, this is a "pre-production" unit. That means that=0A=
> playing multiple loops together is not implemented yet,=0A> except for us=
ing loop 3 as a "Master" loop, in which case=0A> you can slave the other 3 =
loops to it.=0A> =0A> The unit arrived in absolutely perfect shape cosmetic=
ally.=0A> It looks a lot nicer than it does in the pics on the site,=0A> an=
d it is much smaller in size than the Boomerang II. In=0A> fact, I was surp=
rised how small it is, yet it is large=0A> enough to have plenty of room ar=
ound each button.=0A> =0A> The buttons are the same that are used on the ol=
d 'Rang. I=0A> think these are perfect for a looper because they are very=
=0A> flat, low-profile and they have a minumum of throw distance.=0A> All t=
his helps in timing, IMO.=0A> =0A> Sound quality wise, I find the fidelity =
to be supurb. The=0A> recorded loops sound exactly like the original signal=
=0A> through my Hartke acoustic amp. The input level is very=0A> forgiving =
and I have yet to see any clipping at all. The=0A> unit handles all that in=
ternally (no switches and no input=0A> knob). The sound is clean and clear =
even when playing 9 or=0A> 10 layers simultaneously. The volume controls, w=
hich are=0A> mechanically detented, change the levels in very fine=0A> incr=
ements, not in perceptable steps. This is a real plus.=0A> I'm able to dial=
 in the exactl levels I need for the loop=0A> playback.=0A> =0A> Undo and r=
edo works perfectly. There are no audible=0A> dropouts or seams between loo=
ps. I play one song with a 2.3=0A> second loop, and unlike many modern loop=
ers which have a=0A> minimum of 5 seconds or more, the Boomerang handles th=
ose=0A> super-short loops with ease.=0A> =0A> I'm really trying hard right =
now to find something to=0A> complain about in order to make this a fair, b=
alanced=0A> review, but I'm hard-pressed to come up with anything.=0A> Cert=
ainly as I use it I will think to myself, "I wish it had=0A> this or that f=
eature", but let me tell you guys, right out=0A> of the box, this looper is=
 an absolute monster with some=0A> real teeth.=0A> =0A> Brian =0A> =0A=0A=
=0A      

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yes a wonderful CD guys, they gave me on during the Antwerp loop festival=
=0Avery well done!=0Acheers=0ALuis=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=
=0A--- andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> schrieb am So, 13.9.2009:=0A=0A=
> Von: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>=0A> Betreff: Darkroom CD review=
 in SOS=0A> An: "LD" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=0A> Datum: Sonnt=
ag, 13. September 2009, 3:00=0A> this months Sound on Sound=0A> has a very =
positive review of a Darkroom cd.=0A> =0A> congrats to Os.=0A> =0A> andy=0A=
> =0A> =0A=0A=0A      

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thanks per! i found a free widget called timer, that can do the trick. not a
DAW per se, just the host Audiomulch. i'm using the counter for some *rough*
sync in a group improvisation.

2009/9/13 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:28 AM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> does anybody know of an onscreen big clock vst/au version for macs?
>>
>> i could live with a regular clock, not counting bars, beats, etc ... just
>> time in minutes, seconds... syncing with the host, would be a plus, although
>> i think this should be a default behavior.
>>
>> the host daw i'm using have small digits.
>>
>
>
> Not knowing what DAW this is I'd like to hint that if using Logic there is
> a "large SMPTE display" option if you right-click the transport bar. The
> time counter can be set up at any size.
>
> To look for third-party plug-ins, do a search at KVR!
>
> I know that you are not alone in wishing for a scalable time counter, so
> there might be a fair chance somebody has mocked up something.
>
> There are also normal time clocks available as OSX Widgets. If you start it
> as you start the music it will follow close even though not in sync.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>



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thanks per! i found a free widget called timer, that can do the trick. not =
a DAW per se, just the host Audiomulch. i&#39;m using the counter for some =
*rough* sync in a group improvisation. <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
2009/9/13 Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmai=
l.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt=
 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:28 AM, Raul Bonell <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">raul.b=
onell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 20=
4); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

<div>does anybody know of an onscreen <font size=3D"6">big</font> clock vst=
/au version for macs?<br><br>i could live with a regular clock, not countin=
g bars, beats, etc ... just time in minutes, seconds... syncing with the ho=
st, would be a plus, although i think this should be a default behavior. <b=
r>


<br>the host daw i&#39;m using have small digits.</div></blockquote></div><=
br><br></div>Not knowing what DAW this is I&#39;d like to hint that if usin=
g Logic there is a &quot;large SMPTE display&quot; option if you right-clic=
k the transport bar. The time counter can be set up at any size. <br>

<br>To look for third-party plug-ins, do a search at KVR! <br><br>I know th=
at you are not alone in wishing for a scalable time counter, so there might=
 be a fair chance somebody has mocked up something. <br><br>There are also =
normal time clocks available as OSX Widgets. If you start it as you start t=
he music it will follow close even though not in sync. <br>

<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><font color=3D"#888888"><br>Per =
Boysen <br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se=
</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboyse=
n.com</a><br>

</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at B=
logger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogsp=
ot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.co=
m">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
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Is it this one?
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1970.html

Can't see a Mac version there. Great to have a timer if playing a short 30
minute festival set. I use to load a timer in my cell phone by my back
pocket but then I never know how long time I have left.

He, he... yesterday I had the same challenge when doing  a public lecture
with laptop pix projections. Had to stand speaking at one corner of the hall
and place the laptop on the bar desk where I recruited a local assistant to
hit the space bar on my (far distance shouted) command. Pretty funny
situation. I also had to bring out my cell phone now and then to keep track
on time, since I only had 50 minutes and the topic was sort of serious. Next
time I go out for a lecture I will bring the blue tooth controller to run
the laptop myself by distance. It just hit me that I never told the guy
yesterday how to bak the presentation one step ;-))  Not very optimal.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com


On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:

> thanks per! i found a free widget called timer, that can do the trick. not
> a DAW per se, just the host Audiomulch. i'm using the counter for some
> *rough* sync in a group improvisation.
>
> 2009/9/13 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:28 AM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> does anybody know of an onscreen big clock vst/au version for macs?
>>>
>>> i could live with a regular clock, not counting bars, beats, etc ... just
>>> time in minutes, seconds... syncing with the host, would be a plus, although
>>> i think this should be a default behavior.
>>>
>>> the host daw i'm using have small digits.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not knowing what DAW this is I'd like to hint that if using Logic there is
>> a "large SMPTE display" option if you right-click the transport bar. The
>> time counter can be set up at any size.
>>
>> To look for third-party plug-ins, do a search at KVR!
>>
>> I know that you are not alone in wishing for a scalable time counter, so
>> there might be a fair chance somebody has mocked up something.
>>
>> There are also normal time clocks available as OSX Widgets. If you start
>> it as you start the music it will follow close even though not in sync.
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se
>> www.perboysen.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>
>

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Is it this one? <br><a href=3D"http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1970.html">http:=
//www.kvraudio.com/get/1970.html</a><br><br>Can&#39;t see a Mac version the=
re. Great to have a timer if playing a short 30 minute festival set. I use =
to load a timer in my cell phone by my back pocket but then I never know ho=
w long time I have left. <br>
<br>He, he... yesterday I had the same challenge when doing=C2=A0 a public =
lecture with laptop pix projections. Had to stand speaking at one corner of=
 the hall and place the laptop on the bar desk where I recruited a local as=
sistant to hit the space bar on my (far distance shouted) command. Pretty f=
unny situation. I also had to bring out my cell phone now and then to keep =
track on time, since I only had 50 minutes and the topic was sort of seriou=
s. Next time I go out for a lecture I will bring the blue tooth controller =
to run the laptop myself by distance. It just hit me that I never told the =
guy yesterday how to bak the presentation one step ;-))=C2=A0 Not very opti=
mal. <br>
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.co=
m">www.perboysen.com</a><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Raul Bo=
nell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bo=
nell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8e=
x; padding-left: 1ex;">
thanks per! i found a free widget called timer, that can do the trick. not =
a DAW per se, just the host Audiomulch. i&#39;m using the counter for some =
*rough* sync in a group improvisation. <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">

2009/9/13 Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div>=
<div class=3D"h5"><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-lef=
t: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1=
ex;">

<div>On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:28 AM, Raul Bonell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">raul.bonell@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0=
pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">


<div>does anybody know of an onscreen <font size=3D"6">big</font> clock vst=
/au version for macs?<br><br>i could live with a regular clock, not countin=
g bars, beats, etc ... just time in minutes, seconds... syncing with the ho=
st, would be a plus, although i think this should be a default behavior. <b=
r>



<br>the host daw i&#39;m using have small digits.</div></blockquote></div><=
br><br></div>Not knowing what DAW this is I&#39;d like to hint that if usin=
g Logic there is a &quot;large SMPTE display&quot; option if you right-clic=
k the transport bar. The time counter can be set up at any size. <br>


<br>To look for third-party plug-ins, do a search at KVR! <br><br>I know th=
at you are not alone in wishing for a scalable time counter, so there might=
 be a fair chance somebody has mocked up something. <br><br>There are also =
normal time clocks available as OSX Widgets. If you start it as you start t=
he music it will follow close even though not in sync. <br>


<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><font color=3D"#888888"><br>Per =
Boysen <br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se=
</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboyse=
n.com</a><br>


</font></blockquote></div></div></div><font color=3D"#888888"><br><br clear=
=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.bl=
ogspot.com" target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br>Chain T=
ape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>

<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br>

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I have been looking for an AU timer plugin but haven't found one. My
workaround is the following: Mainstage 2 has a clock you can add to
your layout. See screenshot

http://euroloopfest.com/tmp/mainstage2clock.png

Btw: I've asked Os to program an AU-timer, will ask him again. Os, are
you reading this? ;-)
-- 
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http://livelooping.be/
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thanks guys!

amazing how long it can take between sending in a cd and the review
being published.


os.


2009/9/13 L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>:
> yes a wonderful CD guys, they gave me on during the Antwerp loop festival
> very well done!
> cheers
> Luis
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> --- andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> schrieb am So, 13.9.2009:
>
>> Von: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
>> Betreff: Darkroom CD review in SOS
>> An: "LD" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Datum: Sonntag, 13. September 2009, 3:00
>> this months Sound on Sound
>> has a very positive review of a Darkroom cd.
>>
>> congrats to Os.
>>
>> andy
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>



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I am indeed reading this!


os.


2009/9/13 Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>:
> I have been looking for an AU timer plugin but haven't found one. My
> workaround is the following: Mainstage 2 has a clock you can add to
> your layout. See screenshot
>
> http://euroloopfest.com/tmp/mainstage2clock.png
>
> Btw: I've asked Os to program an AU-timer, will ask him again. Os, are
> you reading this? ;-)
> --
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>
>



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2009/9/13 Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>:

> Btw: I've asked Os to program an AU-timer, will ask him again. Os, are
> you reading this? ;-)

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:

> I am indeed reading this!
>


Excellent - what a wonderful world! If you make something, please make it
scalable. Like a vector graphix plug-in so we can match whatever monitor or
projector used. Could hook it up to MIDI Clock with a SMPTE display option
(absolute time) if MIDI Clock with Song Start msg is used.

Greetings from Sweden

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<br>
&gt; Btw: I&#39;ve asked Os to program an AU-timer, will ask him again. Os,=
 are<br>
&gt; you reading this? ;-)<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 13=
, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Os <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:os@collective=
.co.uk">os@collective.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
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<div id=3D":5q" class=3D"ii gt">I am indeed reading this!<br></div></blockq=
uote><div><br><br>Excellent - what a wonderful world! If you make something=
, please make it scalable. Like a vector graphix plug-in so we can match wh=
atever monitor or projector used. Could hook it up to MIDI Clock with a SMP=
TE display option (absolute time) if MIDI Clock with Song Start msg is used=
. <br>
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"ht=
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oops! so sorry that i sent this to the whole list... i thought i was going
private with per.... sorry,sorry ... i was in a hurry.



2009/9/13 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> 2009/9/13 Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>:
>
> > Btw: I've asked Os to program an AU-timer, will ask him again. Os, are
> > you reading this? ;-)
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I am indeed reading this!
>>
>
>
> Excellent - what a wonderful world! If you make something, please make it
> scalable. Like a vector graphix plug-in so we can match whatever monitor or
> projector used. Could hook it up to MIDI Clock with a SMPTE display option
> (absolute time) if MIDI Clock with Song Start msg is used.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>



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oops! so sorry that i sent this to the whole list... i thought i was going =
private with per.... sorry,sorry ... i was in a hurry.<br><br><br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/13 Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"im"=
>2009/9/13 Sjaak Overgaauw &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tcplugin@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">tcplugin@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>

<br></div><div class=3D"im">
&gt; Btw: I&#39;ve asked Os to program an AU-timer, will ask him again. Os,=
 are<br>
&gt; you reading this? ;-)<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div cla=
ss=3D"im">On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Os <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:os@collective.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">os@collective.co.uk</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>I am indeed reading this!<br></div></blockquote></div><div><br><br>Exc=
ellent - what a wonderful world! If you make something, please make it scal=
able. Like a vector graphix plug-in so we can match whatever monitor or pro=
jector used. Could hook it up to MIDI Clock with a SMPTE display option (ab=
solute time) if MIDI Clock with Song Start msg is used. <br>
<div class=3D"im">
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http:=
//www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a><br>=A0
<br></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at Blogger:=
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://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
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you see per... there were not so many counter plugins.

2009/9/13 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>

>
>
>> Excellent - what a wonderful world! If you make something, please make it
>> scalable. Like a vector graphix plug-in so we can match whatever monitor or
>> projector used. Could hook it up to MIDI Clock with a SMPTE display option
>> (absolute time) if MIDI Clock with Song Start msg is used.
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se
>> www.perboysen.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
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you see per... there were not so many counter plugins.<br><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">2009/9/13 Raul Bonell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:raul.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); =
margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"b=
order-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; paddin=
g-left: 1ex;"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br>Ex=
cellent - what a wonderful world! If you make something, please make it sca=
lable. Like a vector graphix plug-in so we can match whatever monitor or pr=
ojector used. Could hook it up to MIDI Clock with a SMPTE display option (a=
bsolute time) if MIDI Clock with Song Start msg is used. <br>

<div>
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http:=
//www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a><br>=A0
<br></div></div></div>
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iv class=3D"h5"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbo=
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is it posted online by chance?

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:

> thanks guys!
>
> amazing how long it can take between sending in a cd and the review
> being published.
>
>
> os.
>
>
> 2009/9/13 L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>:
> > yes a wonderful CD guys, they gave me on during the Antwerp loop festival
> > very well done!
> > cheers
> > Luis
> >
> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >
> >
> > --- andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> schrieb am So, 13.9.2009:
> >
> >> Von: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
> >> Betreff: Darkroom CD review in SOS
> >> An: "LD" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> >> Datum: Sonntag, 13. September 2009, 3:00
> >> this months Sound on Sound
> >> has a very positive review of a Darkroom cd.
> >>
> >> congrats to Os.
> >>
> >> andy
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
>
>


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is it posted online by chance?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Se=
p 13, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Os <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:os@collec=
tive.co.uk">os@collective.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex;">
thanks guys!<br>
<br>
amazing how long it can take between sending in a cd and the review<br>
being published.<br>
<br>
<br>
os.<br>
<br>
<br>
2009/9/13 L.Angulo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yah=
oo.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; yes a wonderful CD guys, they gave m=
e on during the Antwerp loop festival<br>
&gt; very well done!<br>
&gt; cheers<br>
&gt; Luis<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target=3D"_blank">www=
.myspace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --- andy butler &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler=
@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt; schrieb am So, 13.9.2009:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Von: andy butler &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akb=
utler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Betreff: Darkroom CD review in SOS<br>
&gt;&gt; An: &quot;LD&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-d=
elight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Datum: Sonntag, 13. September 2009, 3:00<br>
&gt;&gt; this months Sound on Sound<br>
&gt;&gt; has a very positive review of a Darkroom cd.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; congrats to Os.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; andy<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</div></div><font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
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<br>
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Emile I've just gotten around to reviewing some of your work, wonderful
stuff, love the high contast water detail as well as the reflection images.
You asked where I'm in NY, Park Slope in Brooklyn.  Sorry delayed getting
back to you.

J

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) <
emile@foryourhead.com> wrote:

> http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/showcase-49/
>
> Picture 4 is one of mine.
>
> BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/
> --
> " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better."  -- Paul Bley
>
>                Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
> Video Producer                  Image Processing Specialist
> Video for your HEAD!                    Boris FX
> http://www.foryourhead.com              http://www.borisfx.com
>
>


-- 
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www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
www.myspace.com/jindream
www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic

video work/editing...
www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital

social networking...
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Emile I&#39;ve just gotten around to reviewing some of your work, wonderful=
 stuff, love the high contast water detail as well as the reflection images=
.<div><br></div><div>You asked where I&#39;m in NY, Park Slope in Brooklyn.=
 =A0Sorry delayed getting back to you.</div>
<div><br></div><div>J<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 11, 200=
9 at 10:59 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:emile@foryourhead.com">emile@foryourhead.com</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><a href=3D"http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/20=
09/09/11/showcase-49/" target=3D"_blank">http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009=
/09/11/showcase-49/</a><br>

<br>
Picture 4 is one of mine.<br>
<br>
BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at <a href=3D"http://www.flickr.co=
m/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/</a><b=
r>
<font color=3D"#888888">
-- <br>
&quot; Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better.&quot; =A0-- Paul Bley<b=
r>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.<br>
Video Producer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Image Processing Speciali=
st<br>
Video for your HEAD! =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Boris FX<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.foryourhead.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.foryour=
head.com</a> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://www.borisfx.com" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.borisfx.com</a><br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>ReUse, an intros=
pective textural aural<br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse">www.my=
space.com/CtReUse</a><br><br>music links...<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoo=
dinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a=
><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.myspace.com/jimg=
oodinmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic">www=
.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro">www.myspace.com/j=
imgoodinviolinelectro</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jindream">ww=
w.myspace.com/jindream</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmu=
sic">www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
<br>video work/editing...<br><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigit=
al">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br><br>social networking...<br><a hr=
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</a><br>
<br>
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> Insomma se ci siete battete un colpo.
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Ero sveglio e ho visto il tuo post cos=EC ciao da looper Florida =
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Pace,=20

Jeff


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http://www.darkroomtheband.net/reviews/reviews.php

link from there to the SOS reviews page.


cheers,
os.


2009/9/14 Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>:
> is it posted online by chance?
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> thanks guys!
>>
>> amazing how long it can take between sending in a cd and the review
>> being published.
>>
>>
>> os.
>>
>>
>> 2009/9/13 L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>:
>> > yes a wonderful CD guys, they gave me on during the Antwerp loop
>> > festival
>> > very well done!
>> > cheers
>> > Luis
>> >
>> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>> >
>> >
>> > --- andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> schrieb am So, 13.9.2009:
>> >
>> >> Von: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
>> >> Betreff: Darkroom CD review in SOS
>> >> An: "LD" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> >> Datum: Sonntag, 13. September 2009, 3:00
>> >> this months Sound on Sound
>> >> has a very positive review of a Darkroom cd.
>> >>
>> >> congrats to Os.
>> >>
>> >> andy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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Is this the ideal small mixer we've all been looking for?

Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.
http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line.


Feature list and mini review.

features

All connections on 1/4 unbalanced jacks unless otherwise noted.
8 stereo/mono input channels,  vol, balance, fx send
*Stereo* FX send ( works with channel pan/balance, for each channel)
stereo FX return (with vol control)
Channel 1 switches to a mono microphone input, XLR, no phantom.
Main outs on balanced jacks with master vol.

..and some additional connections on *stereo* 1/4 in jacks
Monitor out...after master vol
Mix out ...before master vol
Input to main bus.
Input to fx bus.
(those last 3 are officially for daisy chaining 2 or more units).

Comments
1) stereo fx bus....that's very useful
2) seems well built, and sounds ok. Not noisy.
3) none of the controls has a 0dB calibration, which makes set up that 
much harder. ( the cheap Behringer
  stuff often has this). Not really a problem.
4) the mic input sounds good enough for live work with good full range 
response. Not for studio though, there's
  a distinctive quality/color to the transient response, and no 48V.
5) Mic pre-amp doesn't have an insert, and there's no way to make fx 
send pre fade. In simple terms
   this means you can't EQ the mic, or compress it. (and can't use my 
Vortex patches!)
6) the additional connectors  available give some scope for  extra 
routing, as long as you
    don't mind using Y-cables.
7) neither of the 2 additional outputs has an independent vol control, 
(such as would be useful for
   sending to Zoom H2 for recording)
8) there's no mixer schematic in the manual, it's printed on the top of 
the unit. Obviously
   when you rack the unit you no longer have the schematic which is the 
only way to see
   the mixer features at a glance.
9) Balanced outs means that you only need a couple of jack to XLR 
converters and
   you're able to say " I have my own DI box" to any sound engineer you 
encounter when playing live.
   This reduces their anxiety about how to deal with your complex setup 
to zero.
10) no official way to make sends pre-fade, which would make the unit 
much more usable.

Conclusion
Very nearly a neat way to route your looping gear, and add a microphone
with just a 1u unit.

If you don't need to use the mic-pre there's no real minus points to the 
mixer,
apart from lack of pre-fade sends.
Sound quality is easily good enough for live work.

Big disappointment is the implementation of the mic input. There's no way to
eq the mic, so unless you want a flat response, and have a dynamic mic that
will give that you can't really this mixer. Using with an SM58, for 
instance, will
just give you that unclear boxy sound which is normally filtered out at 
the desk.
So, probably ok for announcements that no-one understands.
I'm ok, I have a Sennheiser 421 which works very well for feeding assorted
acoustic sounds into the loops (on the fx send), but those aren't exactly
cheap.
Generally, anyone looking to add a mic to their setup ( or to remove a 
mic-pre
to save weight/space) is going to be frustrated.

Further investigation.
It must be possible to mod this unit so that there's a way to eq( or 
Vortex)  the mic.
but no service sheet available.

I emailed Alesis tech support, US *and* UK and was sent a pair of 
automated responses
promising a reply within 2 days....about a week ago.





andy butler


















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Toby G schrieb:
> I don't know what they were but I can't imagine them being larger than 
> 1/2 watt.  1 Watt resistors usually look like a rectangular box.

Just for fun, calculate the voltage you would need to burn 1/2 watt in a
20k resistor. I bet you would never want to stomp on such a pedal...

Stefan

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Jeff Duke schrieb:
> When you send a message to any mailing list you subscribe to, Gmail 
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> and prevent clutter. The message will appear in your inbox if someone 
> responds to it or if there is an error delivering the message. If you'd 
> like to view your message, you can find it in Sent Mail or All Mail.

Gmail doesn't get the idea of e-mail clients, they think in this world
everybody is reading mail in the browser. I don't, and miss my own posts
as well. Only solution is not to use gmail or live with not receiving
your own posts...

For me the only way to read my lists is within an e-mail client like
thunderbird. This gmail "feature" is clearly a drawback. While I write
this, I am offline, I could not do that in the browser.
The main advantage of gmail for me is, that it filters spam better than
the others, and especially a list like LD is guiding spammers to my
e-mail adress. I have another address not with gmail to do private and
business mail. For that I'd never trust google anyway, they even
announce that they'll use your mails to control advertising better...
Gmail is good for whats public anyway, anything else has to rely on
other services...

Stefan

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Hello;


http://www.korg.com/Product.aspx?pd=559

It's still not clear from the video and specs if the sampled sounds can be 
looped directly after sampling or not.
But it has (some of) the KP3 looper effects and can resample, so there's 
hope ;-)

Ben.


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P=(V^2)/R

rearranging,

P*R = V^2
V=(P*R)^(1/2)
  =(.5*20k)^(1/2)
 = (10K)^(1/2)
 =100 V

Lots of tube preamps have that much voltage.


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> Toby G schrieb:
>> I don't know what they were but I can't imagine them being larger than 
>> 1/2 watt.  1 Watt resistors usually look like a rectangular box.
>
> Just for fun, calculate the voltage you would need to burn 1/2 watt in a
> 20k resistor. I bet you would never want to stomp on such a pedal...
>
> Stefan
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i suppose another possiblity would be to use an x-ternal device before goin=
g into the mixer like these which have plenty of gain,enhancers, compressor=
,eq and efx=0A=0Ahttp://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/TC-Helicon-Vo=
iceTone-HarmonyG-Vocal-Effects-Pedal-for-Guitarists?sku=3D180235=0A=0Ahttp:=
//pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/DigiTech-Vocalist-Live-2?sku=3D1800=
68=0A=0Ahttp://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/TC-Helicon-VoiceTone-C=
reate-Vocal-Pedal?sku=3D180118=0A=0Ai have the Rolls RM65B and have the sam=
e frustration;-(=0ALuis=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A> Big disappointment is the implemen=
tation of the mic input.=0A> There's no way to=0A> eq the mic, so unless yo=
u want a flat response, and have a=0A> dynamic mic that=0A> will give that =
you can't really this mixer. Using with an=0A> SM58, for instance, will=0A>=
 just give you that unclear boxy sound which is normally=0A> filtered out a=
t the desk.=0A> So, probably ok for announcements that no-one understands.=
=0A> I'm ok, I have a Sennheiser 421 which works very well for=0A> feeding =
assorted=0A> acoustic sounds into the loops (on the fx send), but those=0A>=
 aren't exactly=0A> cheap.=0A> Generally, anyone looking to add a mic to th=
eir setup ( or=0A> to remove a mic-pre=0A> to save weight/space) is going t=
o be frustrated.=0A> =0A> Further investigation.=0A> It must be possible to=
 mod this unit so that there's a way=0A> to eq( or Vortex)=A0 the mic.=0A> =
but no service sheet available.=0A> =0A> I emailed Alesis tech support, US =
*and* UK and was sent a=0A> pair of automated responses=0A> promising a rep=
ly within 2 days....about a week ago.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> andy but=
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Herlà Bruno! so you're here again!
i've recently joined this list again, i don't post too much but i try to 
read as much as possible ;-)
So how are you?
now these following lines are in italian for italian loopers...so 
forgive me for this!

Cia Bruno e ciao Fabio, per adesso non mi sembra ci siano altri loopers 
italiani che hanno
aderito a questa lista però nel frattempo il live loopoing è cresciuto 
anche in italia, tanto che abbiamo
fatto un piccolo festival con 2 date una a roma e una a firenze  in cui 
si sono esibiti anche una decina di loopers
italiani. Mi fa molto piacere risentirti, scrvimi pure quando vuoi!

Massimo

Bruno E. Kleinefeld ha scritto:
> Hi guys
>
> not a lurker, even if in stand-by mode for a long time
>
> I'm addressing this message to italian loopers, and especially to the 
> ones living near me.
> We did this long time ago, but apart from those coming from Fabio, 
> Luca and Massimo (ciao a tutti!), I haven't seen new "italian posts" 
> (or recognized them).
>
> So allow me to write a few words in my beloved language to make a call 
> for them.
> But first - in regard of a topic about the utility of this list that I 
> red a long time ago -
> always remember that, even for the not active ones, this list is just 
> so useful and full of hints and interesting readings.
>
> A big hug to all the people I met years ago through LD.
>
>
> best
>
> b:k
>
>
>
>
> Ciao a tutti
>
> molto tempo fa era stato fatto su questa lista una sorta di appello 
> che aveva consentito ad alcuni di noi italiani che leggono LD di 
> entrare in contatto.
> Ci riprovo ora, a distanza di anni, per vedere se si è aggiunto 
> qualcuno che magari sta solo in ascolto e in lettura, come faccio io 
> da tanto.
>
> Io sono a Milano. Decisamente inattivo da tempo: al punto che guardo 
> tutti i miei aggeggi e penso che sarebbe bello usarli un po' insieme a 
> qualcuno, magari.
>
> Insomma se ci siete battete un colpo.
>
> ciao
>
> b:k
>


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On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
> I am indeed reading this!

Great ;-) Some simple as as resizable hh:mm:ss stop watch would be perfect.

Would it be possible to add it to the Mainstage layout and show the
current value of the stop watch plugin? I don't know much about
programming AU plugins but I think that would require a parameter
containing the current value right? I'm saying that because
Mainstage has this fantastic full screen mode: this fills the entire
screen, and screen controls appear at the maximum possible size for
easy viewing. And the cool thing is that you don't need to map a
controller to it, you can simply use it to show data.

-- 
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Luis,
I remember you told me you tried the Motu Ultralite mk3 but you didn't
like it or had a problem with it...there was something :) Anyway, I
really like it, it replaced a mixer, compressor, mic pre-amp and eq.
-- 
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>From      : "Toby G" carpet8@mac.com
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Date      : Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:28:30 -0700
Subject : Re: FC-7 resistor wattage?







> P=3D(V^2)/R
> 
> rearranging,
> 
> P*R =3D V^2
> V=3D(P*R)^(1/2)
>   =3D(.5*20k)^(1/2)
>  =3D (10K)^(1/2)
>  =3D100 V
> 
> Lots of tube preamps have that much voltage.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stefan Tiedje" <stefantiedje@googlemail.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:14 AM
> Subject: Re: FC-7 resistor wattage?
> 
> 
> > Toby G schrieb:
> >> I don't know what they were but I can't imagine them being larger th=
an 
> >> 1/2 watt.  1 Watt resistors usually look like a rectangular box.
> >
> > Just for fun, calculate the voltage you would need to burn 1/2 watt i=
n a
> > 20k resistor. I bet you would never want to stomp on such a pedal...
> >
> > Stefan
> >
> > -- 
> > Les Ondes M=E9morielles---------x--
> > --_____-----------|-----------|--
> > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()-------
> > -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
> > ----------()----------TJ Shredder
> > 
> 
> 

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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:05 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Is this the ideal small mixer we've all been looking for?
> Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.
> http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line.
>

The specs are certainly better than other 1U mixers like the Behringer
1602: the last one doesn't have a mic input and stereo effect
send/returns, only mono. I think there's another brand called Rane
which make high-end 1U compact mixers, but I doubt if it has a mic
input.
-- 
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>From      : "Stefan Tiedje" stefantiedje@googlemail.com
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Date      : Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:14:00 +0200
Subject : Re: FC-7 resistor wattage?







> Toby G schrieb:
> > I don't know what they were but I can't imagine them being larger tha=
n 
> > 1/2 watt.  1 Watt resistors usually look like a rectangular box.
> 
> Just for fun, calculate the voltage you would need to burn 1/2 watt in =
a
> 20k resistor. I bet you would never want to stomp on such a pedal...
> 
> Stefan
> 
> -- 
> Les Ondes M=E9morielles---------x--
> --_____-----------|-----------|--
> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()-------
> -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
> ----------()----------TJ Shredder
> 
> 

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>From      : "L.Angulo" labaloops@yahoo.com
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Date      : Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:29:44 +0000 (GMT)
Subject : AW: Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.







> i suppose another possiblity would be to use an x-ternal device before =
going into the mixer like these which have plenty of gain,enhancers, comp=
ressor,eq and efx
> 
> http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/TC-Helicon-VoiceTone-Harmo=
nyG-Vocal-Effects-Pedal-for-Guitarists?sku=3D180235
> 
> http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/DigiTech-Vocalist-Live-2?s=
ku=3D180068
> 
> http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/TC-Helicon-VoiceTone-Creat=
e-Vocal-Pedal?sku=3D180118
> 
> i have the Rolls RM65B and have the same frustration;-(
> Luis
> 
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> 
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> > Big disappointment is the implementation of the mic input.
> > There's no way to
> > eq the mic, so unless you want a flat response, and have a
> > dynamic mic that
> > will give that you can't really this mixer. Using with an
> > SM58, for instance, will
> > just give you that unclear boxy sound which is normally
> > filtered out at the desk.
> > So, probably ok for announcements that no-one understands.
> > I'm ok, I have a Sennheiser 421 which works very well for
> > feeding assorted
> > acoustic sounds into the loops (on the fx send), but those
> > aren't exactly
> > cheap.
> > Generally, anyone looking to add a mic to their setup ( or
> > to remove a mic-pre
> > to save weight/space) is going to be frustrated.
> > 
> > Further investigation.
> > It must be possible to mod this unit so that there's a way
> > to eq( or Vortex)=A0 the mic.
> > but no service sheet available.
> > 
> > I emailed Alesis tech support, US *and* UK and was sent a
> > pair of automated responses
> > promising a reply within 2 days....about a week ago.
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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> > andy butler
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Date      : Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:52:43 +0200
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> Luis,
> I remember you told me you tried the Motu Ultralite mk3 but you didn't
> like it or had a problem with it...there was something :) Anyway, I
> really like it, it replaced a mixer, compressor, mic pre-amp and eq.
> -- 
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
> 
> 

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we had this topic a while ago but I forgot what the experts said - in a
little more than a week, I'll put my small electric guitar and my windows
notebook in my hand luggage, plus some additional gear in my suitcase, and
will enter a plane from Germany to the US. Some weeks later after Y2K9, I'll
take the same stuff back to Germany. What do I have to do to avoid any
potential problems with customs? what kind of problems can be expected? in
June I had taken the same gear from Germany to Rome and back, and there were
no problems at all, but I'm not sure if the US customs (and back into
Germany from there) will also be so easy.

-Michael


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(2nd attempt - the first posting didn't appear on the list for some reason)

we had this topic a while ago but I forgot what the experts said - in a
little more than a week, I'll put my small electric guitar and my windows
notebook in my hand luggage, plus some additional gear in my suitcase, and
will enter a plane from Germany to the US. Some weeks later after Y2K9, I'll
take the same stuff back to Germany. What do I have to do to avoid any
potential problems with customs? what kind of problems can be expected? in
June I had taken the same gear from Germany to Rome and back, and there were
no problems at all, but I'm not sure if the US customs (and back into
Germany from there) will also be so easy.

-Michael


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Read up on the flight company's web page and adjust your luggage weight and
disposition cabin vs checked in according the the listed rules. Don't miss
out on safety restrictions or you may loose your nail cutter, tooth brush
and other "sharp objects".  Put as much important stuff as possible in your
hand/cabin luggage. If hand luggage goes over weight, fill up your pockets
with stuff to match the permitted weight. You will have to take out the
computer from your cabin bag at the security check so it actually doesn't
add to the wight and you can calculate your bag's weight without it (at
least this has worked well for me). For things that you have to check in
there is always a risk that it will be sorted out "as suspicious luggage".
This happened to my tenor sax flight case at SF Airport - probably because I
had painted it golden by paint brush. The clerks are generally "retarded" so
keep your bags looking as normal as possible. My sax simply never showed up
at the luggage area, although I had safety cleared it with Brittish Airways
when starting the journey, and no one at SF told me I had only 30 minutes to
claim it before it would be "transported away for termination". The grass
root staff at the airport did not know where it was and luckily I happened
to spot it inside a sealed off area elven minutes pre termination and could
then claim it as mine and open it to proof it not containing a bomb
(although I personally regard this 1929 silver Conn "Da Bomb").

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com


On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:

> US. Some weeks later after Y2K9, I'll
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> potential problems with customs?
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t you have to check in there is always a risk that it will be sorted out &q=
uot;as suspicious luggage&quot;. This happened to my tenor sax flight case =
at SF Airport - probably because I had painted it golden by paint brush. Th=
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rmal as possible. My sax simply never showed up at the luggage area, althou=
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Hello loopists,

sorry for lack of input of late - I read sporadically, but have had
all kinds of non-music-playing related interesting stuffs going on
that mean I rarely get to follow a whole thread to the point where I
can add anything while being sure I'm not reinventing the wheel from
earlier in a thread :)

But given that a few of you were at the gig where this was recorded, I
thought I'd post a link to a new free download live EP of Michael
Manring and I live in Santa Cruz, from Jan 08. It also features
Lobelia on vocals on one tune.

The loopage is all LP1, obviously. Everything else is processed basses
+ voice.

http://www.stevelawson.net/wordpress/2009/09/new-live-ep-releasing-music-2-0/

enjoy :)

Steve

Where to find me on the web -
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*** www.solobasssteve.com
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*** www.officegigs.co.uk
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going on &nbsp;<br>that mean I rarely get to follow a whole thread to =
the point where I &nbsp;<br>can add anything while being sure I'm not =
reinventing the wheel from &nbsp;<br>earlier in a thread :)<br><br>But =
given that a few of you were at the gig where this was recorded, I =
&nbsp;<br>thought I'd post a link to a new free download live EP of =
Michael &nbsp;<br>Manring and I live in Santa Cruz, from Jan 08. It also =
features &nbsp;<br>Lobelia on vocals on one tune.<br><br>The loopage is =
all LP1, obviously. Everything else is processed basses &nbsp;<br>+ =
voice.<br><br><a =
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I've tried to post something (2 times) but it didn't turn up ... hmm ...
-Michael

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I've never really used Mainstage so it's hard to be sure, but yes, I
think you're right.


os.


2009/9/14 Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
>> I am indeed reading this!
>
> Great ;-) Some simple as as resizable hh:mm:ss stop watch would be perfect.
>
> Would it be possible to add it to the Mainstage layout and show the
> current value of the stop watch plugin? I don't know much about
> programming AU plugins but I think that would require a parameter
> containing the current value right? I'm saying that because
> Mainstage has this fantastic full screen mode: this fills the entire
> screen, and screen controls appear at the maximum possible size for
> easy viewing. And the cool thing is that you don't need to map a
> controller to it, you can simply use it to show data.
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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
> I've tried to post something (2 times) but it didn't turn up ... hmm ...
> -Michael

Roger :)

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hi Sjaak

Indeed, Rane is the name.

The Rane SM 82S is presumably what Alesis "borrowed" from.
The same features minus the mic input.
...and more than double the price!

For me, the '8 line' replaces the Behringer Ultralink, which
roughly copies the Rane SM 26S Splitter Mixer, but adds
very useful metering.

The problem I have with the Behringer stuff is reliability,
( after a decade or so ) rather than the 
feature sets and the "ok" sound quality.
Also, I'd always be worried that their latest offering
had lower than usual sound quality.




andy

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>> Is this the ideal small mixer we've all been looking for?
>> Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.
>> http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line.
>>
> 
> The specs are certainly better than other 1U mixers like the Behringer
> 1602: the last one doesn't have a mic input and stereo effect
> send/returns, only mono. I think there's another brand called Rane
> which make high-end 1U compact mixers, but I doubt if it has a mic
> input.

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gotcha..

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
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> > -Michael
>
> Roger :)
>
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&gt; I&#39;ve tried to post something (2 times) but it didn&#39;t turn up .=
.. hmm ...<br>
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Michael Peters wrote:
> (2nd attempt - the first posting didn't appear on the list for some reason)
> 
> we had this topic a while ago but I forgot what the experts said - in a
> little more than a week, I'll put my small electric guitar and my windows
> notebook in my hand luggage, 

I didn't know you could get a guitar small enough to go in hand baggage.
( so unless it's smaller than a regular travel guitar, it's likely
  to be sent to the hold).
If it's really that small, do you have pics? :-)


andy

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> The Rane SM 82S is presumably what Alesis "borrowed" from.
> The same features minus the mic input.
> ...and more than double the price!

Hi Andy,
That's the one. Very good but expensive yes ;-) Btw: the Alesis is a
nice little mixer, didn't know it existed.

> The problem I have with the Behringer stuff is reliability,
> ( after a decade or so ) rather than the feature sets and the "ok" sound
> quality.
> Also, I'd always be worried that their latest offering
> had lower than usual sound quality.

I have used a Behringer 1602 for several years. Perfect as a live
mixer for keyboards, the sound is "OK". imo, the recent Behringer
models made in China are not as good as some older models. Also, build
quality is more an issue these days, as with so many audio
manufacturers assembling in China.

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Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:

> 
> I have used a Behringer 1602 for several years. Perfect as a live
> mixer for keyboards, the sound is "OK". imo, the recent Behringer
> models made in China are not as good as some older models. Also, build
> quality is more an issue these days, as with so many audio
> manufacturers assembling in China.
> 

afaik, they always manufactured in China, and they
had build quality issues from the start.
I'm not surprised if some of the newer stuff sounds bad,
because they really dropped prices when they re-designed.
The older stuff was variable, some that sounded
really bad too.

If they had a 1u rack mixer with just the right features I'd have to get
it tho'  ;-)

...and if they ever bring out a looper, I bet a lot of
LDers will try it.

At least they have a really good replacement policy for
faulty stuff. 

andy



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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> ...and if they ever bring out a looper, I bet a lot of
> LDers will try it.

Yes, probably. Behringer sold a lot of those Boss look-alike stompbox
effects but imo these have nothing to do with guitar effects and
quality sounds. But a Behringer looper might be interesting for our
experimental and noise friends though ;-)

> At least they have a really good replacement policy for
> faulty stuff.

You mean like with the FCB1010: buy a new one? ;-)

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Nice!

Congratulations!

On Sep 14, 2009, at 12:42 AM, Os wrote:

> http://www.darkroomtheband.net/reviews/reviews.php
>
> link from there to the SOS reviews page.
>
>
> cheers,
> os.
>
>
> 2009/9/14 Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>:
>> is it posted online by chance?
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> thanks guys!
>>>
>>> amazing how long it can take between sending in a cd and the review
>>> being published.
>>>
>>>
>>> os.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/9/13 L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>:
>>>> yes a wonderful CD guys, they gave me on during the Antwerp loop
>>>> festival
>>>> very well done!
>>>> cheers
>>>> Luis
>>>>
>>>> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> schrieb am So, 13.9.2009:
>>>>
>>>>> Von: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
>>>>> Betreff: Darkroom CD review in SOS
>>>>> An: "LD" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>>> Datum: Sonntag, 13. September 2009, 3:00
>>>>> this months Sound on Sound
>>>>> has a very positive review of a Darkroom cd.
>>>>>
>>>>> congrats to Os.
>>>>>
>>>>> andy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> os@collective.co.uk
>>> http://twitter.com/expertsleepers
>>> http://www.darkroomtheband.net/
>>> http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ReUse, an introspective textural aural
>> www.myspace.com/CtReUse
>>
>> music links...
>> www.jimgoodinmusic.com
>> www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>> www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
>> www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
>> www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
>> www.myspace.com/jindream
>> www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic
>>
>> video work/editing...
>> www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital
>>
>> social networking...
>> www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> os@collective.co.uk
> http://twitter.com/expertsleepers
> http://www.darkroomtheband.net/
> http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/

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Michael,

It appeared both times on my email inbox.

I just don't have an answer for you since international
travel is something I've not been blessed with the
opportunity to enjoy so far.

But you queries have both appeared in succession on
the list so far.

Best,

Ted Killian

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> I've tried to post something (2 times) but it didn't turn up ...  
> hmm ...
> -Michael

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> this months Sound on Sound has a very positive review of a Darkroom cd.

Congrats to Andy, Os and Michael. "Some of these numbers mean
something" is an excellent cd, highly recommended. Only 8.91 euro's in
the iTunes store. Btw Os: how did you record this cd? Live recorded
and re-mixed in the studio?
-- 
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http://livelooping.be/
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Michael,
I'm going to take my Nord Wave as hand baggage with my laptop in the
same bag, specs:
* 870 x 274 x 98mm, 34.3 x 10.8 x 3.9 inches
* 6 Kg, 13.3 lbs.

I think this should work if I interpret the "special baggage" rules of
KLM for instruments. Regarding customs, I don't know what to expect. I
think I'll take photo copies of the original bills just in case and I
simply hope they don't pick out stuff of my suite case. I leave my
Looperlative at home for that reason, as well as the Gordius.
Especially the last looks really dangerous ;-)

See http://www.klm.com/travel/nl_en/travel_information/baggage/exceptional_baggage/index.htm#9
. Summary:

2.      As hand baggage
You can carry a musical instrument instead of a piece of hand baggage
if it fits in the overhead baggage compartment or under your seat.

3.      On an extra seat
Larger instruments which do not fit in the overhead baggage
compartment or under the seat can be taken into the cabin to be
transported on a seat booked in advance. This is only possible if your
instrument is not longer than 140 cm (55 inches) and does not weigh
more than 46 kg (100 lbs). You can only book an extra seat by
telephone or via your travel agent.

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Sjaak Overgaauw
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no, this one was all studio-recorded.

there are occasional photos of amp/pedal setups used during recording
if you look back into the history on our blog.

I think we talk a bit about how it was recorded & arranged in this
interview too:
http://weheartmusic.vox.com/library/post/whm034-gladshot-darkroom-and-good-night-states.html


cheers,
os.


2009/9/14 Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>:
>> this months Sound on Sound has a very positive review of a Darkroom cd.
>
> Congrats to Andy, Os and Michael. "Some of these numbers mean
> something" is an excellent cd, highly recommended. Only 8.91 euro's in
> the iTunes store. Btw Os: how did you record this cd? Live recorded
> and re-mixed in the studio?
> --
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>
>



-- 
os@collective.co.uk
http://twitter.com/expertsleepers
http://www.darkroomtheband.net/
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always keep the power cable together with your gear. you might have to 
power up going through security.
tilmann

Michael Peters schrieb:
> (2nd attempt - the first posting didn't appear on the list for some reason)
>
> we had this topic a while ago but I forgot what the experts said - in a
> little more than a week, I'll put my small electric guitar and my windows
> notebook in my hand luggage, plus some additional gear in my suitcase, and
> will enter a plane from Germany to the US. Some weeks later after Y2K9, I'll
> take the same stuff back to Germany. What do I have to do to avoid any
> potential problems with customs? what kind of problems can be expected? in
> June I had taken the same gear from Germany to Rome and back, and there were
> no problems at all, but I'm not sure if the US customs (and back into
> Germany from there) will also be so easy.
>
> -Michael
>
>
>
>   

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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard <tilmann@dehnhard.com> wrote:
> always keep the power cable together with your gear. you might have to power
> up going through security.

Thanks Tilmann,
Good idea! But how to power up a 230V synth when you're in the US? I
don't bring my own converter with me, it's too heavy and also looks
really dangerous! ;-)
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I am getting them Michael, good luck on your flight. Are you using Gmail?

Jeff

----- Original Message ----- 
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> I've tried to post something (2 times) but it didn't turn up ... hmm ...
> -Michael
> 
>

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> I didn't know you could get a guitar small enough to go in hand baggage.

I took it in the hand baggage to Rome in June without problems


> If it's really that small, do you have pics? :-)

http://www.michaelpeters.de/images/hohnerg2_small.jpg

it is about 80 cm in length. A licensed German (Hohner) clone of a
Steinberger GT guitar, but without transtrem - wouldn't work anyway with the
Fripp tuning that I use. And I added a midi pickup - glued it to the back
side :)


-Michael

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thanks ted

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> Very nice!
>
> ---- Ricky Graham <rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> =============
> Hi Folks,
>
> A few looping videos from some recent performances.
>
> Links:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmn4WyEMiE0
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7U2PalNlWY
>
> Feedback welcome,
>
> Ricky
>


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i believe this has been mentioned here, but it's always good to remember:
united breaks guitars...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo

tilmann

Michael Peters schrieb:
>> I didn't know you could get a guitar small enough to go in hand baggage.
>>     
>
> I took it in the hand baggage to Rome in June without problems
>
>
>   
>> If it's really that small, do you have pics? :-)
>>     
>
> http://www.michaelpeters.de/images/hohnerg2_small.jpg
>
> it is about 80 cm in length. A licensed German (Hohner) clone of a
> Steinberger GT guitar, but without transtrem - wouldn't work anyway with the
> Fripp tuning that I use. And I added a midi pickup - glued it to the back
> side :)
>
>
> -Michael
>
>
>   

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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard <tilmann@dehnhard.com> wrote:
> i believe this has been mentioned here, but it's always good to remember:
> united breaks guitars...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo

lol Great and funny video!
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Andy Butler said:
> afaik, they always manufactured in China, and they had build quality issues from the start.

The first run of products they did (including their first composer
compressor), released some 20 years ago, were made in Germany - and
that was at a time where the fact that Germany was about to turn
communist was not felt in production quality.
Sorry, however, to hear that you had issues with one of these early
devices - most of them have continued to outlive their younger
siblings.

            Rainer

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Hi=2C

I just recently purchased a Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro 2nd hand from a m=
ember on this list. It is supposed to have been upgraded to Loop IV v1.1 an=
d max memory.

When I power it on it very quickly lights up to a steady:

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As if it is waiting for the foot controller. I have a foot controller which=
 I know is working.  All other lights are on. No combination or press of an=
y buttons will get the unit to respond.

Note that it does pass audio through. I can "play through it". But I cant g=
et it to record a loop.


The previous owner assured me that it was working when shipped. Is there an=
y way to do a factory reset etc? Or perhaps something became lose in shippi=
ng? Any ideas?

Thanks=2C

Steve

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My suggestions, Michael,
Dont' forget to have your gear inspecteable (no keys, no locks) they'll
check it out when you'll arrive in USA and when you'll depart...

Dress pants with lots of pockets, as Per said.

If you cannot bring your guitar on board, and it goes with the
oversize/extra-size laggage when you land in SF ask immediately for the
place where your stuff will come out.
I got mad to find my synth and when I found it it was ....alone....in a
huge hall where everyone who could pick it up and stole it.

Have fun !

Fabio





2009/9/14 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>

> (2nd attempt - the first posting didn't appear on the list for some reason)
>
> we had this topic a while ago but I forgot what the experts said - in a
> little more than a week, I'll put my small electric guitar and my windows
> notebook in my hand luggage, plus some additional gear in my suitcase, and
> will enter a plane from Germany to the US. Some weeks later after Y2K9,
> I'll
> take the same stuff back to Germany. What do I have to do to avoid any
> potential problems with customs? what kind of problems can be expected? in
> June I had taken the same gear from Germany to Rome and back, and there
> were
> no problems at all, but I'm not sure if the US customs (and back into
> Germany from there) will also be so easy.
>
> -Michael
>
>
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part...</div>
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<div>Dress pants with lots of pockets, as Per said.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>If you cannot bring your guitar on board, and it goes with the oversiz=
e/extra-size laggage when you land in SF ask immediately for the place wher=
e your stuff will come out. </div>
<div>I got mad to find my synth and when I found it it was=A0....alone....i=
n a huge=A0hall where everyone who could pick it up and stole it.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Have fun !</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Fabio</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><br><br>=A0</div>
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Stephen Isherwood wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just recently purchased a Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro 2nd hand from 

> 
> The previous owner assured me that it was working when shipped. Is there 
> any way to do a factory reset etc? Or perhaps something became lose in 
> shipping? 

very likely this is the case.
1) open up EDP
2) push down firmly on all chips

if that doesn't fix it, then try removing and 
reseating the chips

andy

ps, I'm forwarding this to Matthias as I didn't ever see this error 
message before.

>When I power it on it very quickly lights up to a steady:

 _    _    _
|    |    |
|_|. |_|. |_| 


Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve
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Hi Luis,

I'm afraid I have no experience with the RC-50, so I can't make a 
comparison.

It seems to me that many people have been complaining about syncing issues 
and dropouts with the RC-50, which was enough to keep me from even 
considering that unit.

My impression is that the Boomerang's strong points are ease of use, 
simplicity and great sound. The RC-50 seems to try to do more, but with 
mixed results. Perhaps those with experience with the Boss unit can chime in 
here.

The Boomerang is extremely intuitive to use. If you want something that is 
simple, provides 3 or 4 separate loops (depending on how you have the two 
custom buttons set up), and is rock-solid reliable, then the Boomerang 
should be a contender.

Again, only serial looping is enabled so far, which means you can only play 
back one loop at a time. The exception is if you start with loop 3, the 
others will slave to that loop. If loop 3 happens to be 5 seconds long, then 
any other loops' durations will be multiples of that 5 seconds. This enables 
one to record a rhythm track that can be used throughout the song.

They are currently working on finalizing the software which will enable it 
to play all loops together either in sync or free-form.

Brian


----- Original Message ----- 

Hi Brian
thank you kindly for this ive been also waiting for a floor pedal with this 
capabilities for a while!
looks very promising...but they have to leave some room for midi sync that 
would be a real pitty if they didnt!!this combined with the adrenalinn stomp 
would be aaaawesome!
do you have any experience with the RC-50?its size makes it already a winner 
for me but could you do a comparison in terms of practicality or 
intuitivity?
cheers
Luis 

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Brian, I may have missed this, but do you know if there is a "street  
date" for the new Boomerang?

John Floridis

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http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/090910.html

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

                Show #649                September 10, 2009.

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Ulrich Schnauss.  The
Featured CD at Midnight was disc two from Far Away Trains Passing By on
Domino Records.

Ulrich Schnauss:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/focus.html#sep


PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
Create               In the Blink of an   In the Blink of an Eye
                       Eye                  (Groove)
Parallel Worlds      Mutating Realities   Shade (DiN)
Asnazzy              Arrival at M31       Voyage To Andromeda (none)
Jeffrey Koepper      One Hundred Memories Radiate (Riochet Dream)
Jeffrey Koepper      Creation             Radiate (Riochet Dream)
Alpha Wave Movement  Tales of Ancient     Beyond Silence (HRR)
                       Travellers

12:00 am
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Ulrich Schnauss      Sunday Evening In    Far Away Trains Passing By
                       Your Street          disc 1 (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Suddenly the Trees   Far Away Trains Passing By
                       Are Giving Way       disc 1 (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Nothing Hppens In    Far Away Trains Passing By
                       June                 disc 1 (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      As If You've Never   Far Away Trains Passing By
                       Been Away            disc 1 (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Crazy For You        Far Away Trains Passing By
                                            disc 1 (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Wherever You Are     Far Away Trains Passing By
                                            disc 1 (Domino)
vidnaObmana          V                    An Opera for Four Fusion
                                            Works Act Two: Phrasing the
                                            Air (Hypnos)

1:00 am

 * = excerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist
-- = Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on
Ulrich Schnauss.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc two from A
Strangely Isolated Place on Domino records.

Bill
=======================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in
Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on
93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD
Digital Radio on 88.1 FM.
Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info
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To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This
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cheers Bill,

How big an angle?

(oh, and I should recap that we're talking about the Gordius LG here).

 

8- 9 degrees is what the pedal train boards I use are pitched at. I'd be
curious if an even greater angle might work. I can't say it alleviates the
issue entirely, as the spacing is tight, I agree.  I did some false
triggering yesterday at my clinic, or should I say double triggering, where
I hit both the upper tier and lower tier at once. But, I blame part of that
on a 12 noon start time:-)

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pitched at. I&#8217;d be curious if an even greater angle might work. I =
can&#8217;t
say it alleviates the issue entirely, as the spacing is tight, I agree. =
&nbsp;I
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triggering, where I hit both the upper tier and lower tier at once. But, =
I blame
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Hi John,

No, there is no estimated street date. The company has made several attempts 
to meet self-imposed deadlines, all of which came and went.

Mike at BoomerangMusic is known for demanding absolute perfection from his 
hardware and software, and he will simply not release the final version 
until it is perfected. Don't bother asking him directly, his answer will be 
"we will release it when it's ready". They are no longer setting deadlines.

If you buy a preproduction Boomerang like I did, the agreement is that the 
final software will be sent to you as a file that you will upload via a midi 
cable, and that they are under no obligation to provide it within any time 
frame.

Since the Boomerang does exactly what I need already, this is a non-issue 
for me.

Again, this unit sounds astoundingly good, and it is built like a tank. It 
even has sloped panels to repel Rocket Propelled Grenades, in case you are 
performing in unfriendly territory. The pot knobs are fairly tall though, so 
care must be taken out in the field as you can get lots of leverage on a 
tall knob if you bang it against something. I may replace them with shorter, 
rounded knobs. That is a very minor thing, though. The unit as a whole feels 
amazingly solid. It's one of those things where you can just feel the 
quality construction when you hold it.

Brian


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> Brian, I may have missed this, but do you know if there is a "street 
> date" for the new Boomerang?
>
> John Floridis
> 

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Is this the CD with the Concord on the cover?
 I really like that CD, good going Os and Michael, great drum grooves as
well.  
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This looks really nice!
> http://www.korg.com/Product.aspx?pd=559

It's just too bad they didn't add real pitchbend/modulation wheels/stick. It would be more effective for handling fx  - and it could double niceley as a 3-octave midi keyboard.

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It doesnt look like an error message, I too think that its loose chips...
after shipping... I do have a simerlar thing happen when i switch on my
edp=B4s in the wrong order, so maybe its the opodite of what you say, UNplu=
g
everything before you plug it in, and see if makes a change, could be that
your footpedal is faulty?
m

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:17 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote=
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>
>
> Stephen Isherwood wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just recently purchased a Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro 2nd hand from
>>
>
>
>> The previous owner assured me that it was working when shipped. Is there
>> any way to do a factory reset etc? Or perhaps something became lose in
>> shipping?
>>
>
> very likely this is the case.
> 1) open up EDP
> 2) push down firmly on all chips
>
> if that doesn't fix it, then try removing and reseating the chips
>
> andy
>
> ps, I'm forwarding this to Matthias as I didn't ever see this error messa=
ge
> before.
>
>  When I power it on it very quickly lights up to a steady:
>>
>
> _    _    _
> |    |    |
> |_|. |_|. |_|
>
> Any ideas?
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve
>>
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It doesnt look like an error message, I too think that its loose chips... a=
fter shipping... I do have a simerlar thing happen when i switch on my edp=
=B4s in the wrong order, so maybe its the opodite of what you say, UNplug e=
verything before you plug it in, and see if makes a change, could be that y=
our footpedal is faulty?<br>

m<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:17 PM, andy b=
utler <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbut=
ler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=
.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
Stephen Isherwood wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi,<br>
<br>
I just recently purchased a Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro 2nd hand from <br=
>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb=
(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><div class=3D"im">
The previous owner assured me that it was working when shipped. Is there an=
y way to do a factory reset etc? Or perhaps something became lose in shippi=
ng? <br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
very likely this is the case.<br>
1) open up EDP<br>
2) push down firmly on all chips<br>
<br>
if that doesn&#39;t fix it, then try removing and reseating the chips<br>
<br>
andy<br>
<br>
ps, I&#39;m forwarding this to Matthias as I didn&#39;t ever see this error=
 message before.<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
When I power it on it very quickly lights up to a steady:<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
_ =A0 =A0_ =A0 =A0_<br>
| =A0 =A0| =A0 =A0|<br>
|_|. |_|. |_| <br>
<br></div>
Any ideas?<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
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2009/9/15 William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>:
> Is this the CD with the Concord on the cover?

the very same

> =A0I really like that CD, good going Os and Michael, great drum grooves a=
s
> well.

we have Andy Booker to thank for the drums, the mastermind of Improvizone.c=
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> 2009/9/15 William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>:
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>From      : markfrancombe@gmail.com
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Date      : Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:29:35 +0200
Subject : Re: Echoplex Digital Pro startup problem







> It doesnt look like an error message, I too think that its loose chips.=
..
> after shipping... I do have a simerlar thing happen when i switch on my=

> edp=B4s in the wrong order, so maybe its the opodite of what you say, U=
Nplug
> everything before you plug it in, and see if makes a change, could be t=
hat
> your footpedal is faulty?
> m
> 
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:17 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> w=
rote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Stephen Isherwood wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I just recently purchased a Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro 2nd hand f=
rom
> >>
> >
> >
> >> The previous owner assured me that it was working when shipped. Is t=
here
> >> any way to do a factory reset etc? Or perhaps something became lose =
in
> >> shipping?
> >>
> >
> > very likely this is the case.
> > 1) open up EDP
> > 2) push down firmly on all chips
> >
> > if that doesn't fix it, then try removing and reseating the chips
> >
> > andy
> >
> > ps, I'm forwarding this to Matthias as I didn't ever see this error m=
essage
> > before.
> >
> >  When I power it on it very quickly lights up to a steady:
> >>
> >
> > _    _    _
> > |    |    |
> > |_|. |_|. |_|
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
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> wow, i'm impressed.
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> This looks really nice!
> > http://www.korg.com/Product.aspx?pd=3D559
> 
> It's just too bad they didn't add real pitchbend/modulation wheels/stic=
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> I am getting them Michael, good luck on your flight. Are you using Gmai=
l?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de>
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> 
> 
> > I've tried to post something (2 times) but it didn't turn up ... hmm =
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> > -Michael
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> >
> 
> 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8niRw1nbYo

It seems it has some interesting live sampling/remixing features. It still 
not clear from the video what are the midi/tempo sync capabilities.
And if it allows seamless transitions from rec to play.
I guess "overdub" would be made thru resampling.

A beast I will follow, that's for sure ;-)

Ben

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> This looks really nice!
>> http://www.korg.com/Product.aspx?pd=559
>
> It's just too bad they didn't add real pitchbend/modulation wheels/stick. 
> It would be more effective for handling fx  - and it could double niceley 
> as a 3-octave midi keyboard.


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don&#39;t push ted. it is a bot (i think)<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>2009/9/15 tEd =AE KiLLiAn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tedkilli=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
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the dorkiest bot on the net
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On 9/15/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
> don't push ted. it is a bot (i think)
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> 2009/9/15 tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>
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Is this the pre-release version advertized on the 'Rang website for, what, $459? How long did it take them to ship it to you? The webpage was very indefinite.

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wow, i'm impressed.
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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Is this the pre-release version advertized on the 'Rang website for, what, $459? How long did it take them to ship it to you? The webpage was very indefinite.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 9/15/09, Buzap Buzap <I>&lt;buzap@gmx.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR>
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Hi=2C

Thanks. I tried unplugging everything. No difference. Sometimes I get an 8.=
8.8. locked display.

I took the lid off and checked for loose chips=3B didn't find anything obvi=
ous and pushed everything down a little for good meaure. No change. I am th=
inking to try and use the ROM/memory from a known working unit..... Not sur=
e how to extract the ROM though without damaging it. Any tips?

Steve

From: mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Tue=2C 15 Sep 2009 09:29:35 +0200
Subject: Re: Echoplex Digital Pro startup problem
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

It doesnt look like an error message=2C I too think that its loose chips...=
 after shipping... I do have a simerlar thing happen when i switch on my ed=
p=B4s in the wrong order=2C so maybe its the opodite of what you say=2C UNp=
lug everything before you plug it in=2C and see if makes a change=2C could =
be that your footpedal is faulty?


m

On Mon=2C Sep 14=2C 2009 at 8:17 PM=2C andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>=
 wrote:






Stephen Isherwood wrote:


Hi=2C



I just recently purchased a Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro 2nd hand from=20







The previous owner assured me that it was working when shipped. Is there an=
y way to do a factory reset etc? Or perhaps something became lose in shippi=
ng?=20




very likely this is the case.

1) open up EDP

2) push down firmly on all chips



if that doesn't fix it=2C then try removing and reseating the chips



andy



ps=2C I'm forwarding this to Matthias as I didn't ever see this error messa=
ge before.




When I power it on it very quickly lights up to a steady:




_    _    _

|    |    |

|_|. |_|. |_|=20



Any ideas?




Thanks=2C



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Hi=2C<br><br>Thanks. I tried unplugging everything. No difference. Sometime=
s I get an 8.8.8. locked display.<br><br>I took the lid off and checked for=
 loose chips=3B didn't find anything obvious and pushed everything down a l=
ittle for good meaure. No change. I am thinking to try and use the ROM/memo=
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thout damaging it. Any tips?<br><br>Steve<br><br><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Fr=
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that its loose chips... after shipping... I do have a simerlar thing happen=
 when i switch on my edp=B4s in the wrong order=2C so maybe its the opodite=
 of what you say=2C UNplug everything before you plug it in=2C and see if m=
akes a change=2C could be that your footpedal is faulty?<br>

m<br><br><div class=3D"EC_gmail_quote">On Mon=2C Sep 14=2C 2009 at 8:17 PM=
=2C andy butler <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:akbutler@tiscali.=
co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt=3B</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"EC_gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left: 1ex=3B">

<div class=3D"EC_im"><br>
<br>
Stephen Isherwood wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"EC_gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left: 1ex=3B">
Hi=2C<br>
<br>
I just recently purchased a Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro 2nd hand from <br=
>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"EC_gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left: 1ex=3B">
<br><div class=3D"EC_im">
The previous owner assured me that it was working when shipped. Is there an=
y way to do a factory reset etc? Or perhaps something became lose in shippi=
ng? <br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
very likely this is the case.<br>
1) open up EDP<br>
2) push down firmly on all chips<br>
<br>
if that doesn't fix it=2C then try removing and reseating the chips<br>
<br>
andy<br>
<br>
ps=2C I'm forwarding this to Matthias as I didn't ever see this error messa=
ge before.<div class=3D"EC_im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"EC_gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left: 1ex=3B">
When I power it on it very quickly lights up to a steady:<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
_ &nbsp=3B &nbsp=3B_ &nbsp=3B &nbsp=3B_<br>
| &nbsp=3B &nbsp=3B| &nbsp=3B &nbsp=3B|<br>
|_|. |_|. |_| <br>
<br></div>
Any ideas?<br>
<blockquote class=3D"EC_gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left: 1ex=3B">
<br>
Thanks=2C<br>
<br>
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Ug...def check the chips and make sure they're tight.
But, you can do default startup (if no one has told you yet,
by holding down the parameters button when you power up.
Unplug the foot pedal all together and just see if you can
get it to loop by using the front panel buttons.  If it works fine,
it's the foot pedal.
I'm in the process of replacing all those little plastic buttons
w/ something a bit stronger myself.


AndyG

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Andy=2C

To clarify I tried a default startup.

I have now looked at a 2nd unit. A working EDPP. My EDP "powers up" very qu=
ickly to the "dead" screen=3B "8.8.8.". =2C the working unit takes a much l=
onger time  to spring to life.

Any tips on pulling and replacing the ROM's? I can temporarily donate the k=
nown good roms and memory to the dead unit to aid troubleshooting=2C but am=
 worried to break something.=20

Steve

> Date: Tue=2C 15 Sep 2009 14:04:12 -0400
> Subject: Re: Echoplex Digital Pro startup pro
> From: loafcitious@gmail.com
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> Ug...def check the chips and make sure they're tight.
> But=2C you can do default startup (if no one has told you yet=2C
> by holding down the parameters button when you power up.
> Unplug the foot pedal all together and just see if you can
> get it to loop by using the front panel buttons.  If it works fine=2C
> it's the foot pedal.
> I'm in the process of replacing all those little plastic buttons
> w/ something a bit stronger myself.
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thats correct,the main problem i had with it is that i could never get it t=
o sync properly to my adrenalinn slaved through mobius,it was really a nigh=
tmare i tried everything,even called support and there were apparently some=
 issues with their midi and FW so i went back to my little presonus which s=
yncs,sounds works perfect and is way cheaper.Thats what i used at the Antwe=
rp loop festival though i didnt bring the adrenalinn and beatboxed instead;=
-)
Have you ever tried syncing it to a drum machine with mobius?id be really c=
urious if it works for you so let me know.Other than that i found it ok tho=
ugh scrolling thorugh those menus is kind of a pain but could be very pract=
ical when traveling.
However,for local bar gigs i go hardware and still use my good ol echoplex =
and little mackie mixer id love to use a rack mixer to save setup time but =
unfortunately they all miss those features Andy is mentioning...

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> Von: Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>
> Betreff: Re: Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Montag, 14. September 2009, 2:52
> Luis,
> I remember you told me you tried the Motu Ultralite mk3 but
> you didn't
> like it or had a problem with it...there was something :)
> Anyway, I
> really like it, it replaced a mixer, compressor, mic
> pre-amp and eq.
> --=20
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>=20
> =0A=0A=0A      

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Matt want.

No pitch wheel, but there are 2 assignable fx dials, and one of the fx
is pitch bend. Hopefully Korg is smart enough to make it a 'true'
pitch bend, and not the 'real-time' pitch bend that's on the Kaoss
pad.

real-time pitch bend is one of my favorite effects, but a true pitch
bend (as if the sample is a tape played at different speeds) would be
much better.


-- 
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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Ruelle Benoit <benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> Hello;
>
>
> http://www.korg.com/Product.aspx?pd=559
>
> It's still not clear from the video and specs if the sampled sounds can be
> looped directly after sampling or not.
> But it has (some of) the KP3 looper effects and can resample, so there's
> hope ;-)
>
> Ben.
>
>
>

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Yes, this is the one.

It took about three weeks from being put on the waiting list to receiving 
the unit.

I suppose that time varies, not sure.

He lets you know 1 week ahead when he will be shipping and as soon as you 
send the dough to his Paypal account it's on its way. I think actual 
shipping time was 3 days.

Brian


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Is this the pre-release version advertized on the 'Rang website for, what, 
$459? How long did it take them to ship it to you? The webpage was very 
indefinite. 

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Hi everyone,
Very glad to make your aquaintance, looper people.
I am new to this, and would very much like some advice before buying
my first piece of equipment.
I am a performing/recording percussionist playing many different
instruments, from djembe to congas to tam Talking drums to UDU clay
pot drums, and cajon. I also do grooves on the guitar, and am prone to
sing as well..anyway, the plan is to have a looping device to build
tracks for personal use...ie learning new rhythms etc, but also to
build loop tracks live.
I would very much like to be able to layer, say 10 tracks with
different instruments, an to also remove them one by one in a live
situation.
Questions
1. Would a Jamman be sufficient for this. Does it allow one to choose
which loop to delete, or would one have to undo the last loop first
2  You guys all seem very keen on Boomerang 3., but it doesn't seem to
allow one to load stuff onto the computer
3. Would the ideal combo be a Boomerang and a Jamman?!! This would
seem to cover all basses, although expensive to need both.

Any other ideas?

Thanks in advance, if anyone has the time to advise this newbe Looper person...
Happy days!
Timbo

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L.Angulo wrote:
>id love to use a rack mixer to save setup time but unfortunately they all miss those features Andy is mentioning...
> 

I had a good look inside the Alesis Multimix Line 8 yesterday.

By breaking just a couple of connections on the circuit board I could have the following.

Plug mic and guitar(via pre-amp/fx) into mixer,
and route them to the fx send but *not* the main mix.

fx send goes to Vortex (or any fx unit).

Vortex goes to stereo ch return, and is also Y-cabled to
a number of loop devices, which all have 100% wet setting.

Loop devices each come in on a channel, so can be panned
if necessary.

With a bit of twiddling, it's then possible to re-sample any loop
device to any other.

If needed, I could plug one of the alternative outputs of the 
mixer into a reverb, and bring that in on the fx return.


The hardware mod looks ultra easy to make, but would be fiddly to
reverse.
I'm thinking about fitting a switch for it, looks like
there's just enough room for an ultra-miniature switch,
tho' it needs a bit of metalwork.



other mods I considered are not so practical.
1) making fx send pre-fader is a no go
2) a direct out for the mic pre would need an additional circuit added,
   it would be just as easy, and not expensive, to put in a replacement pre-amp. 

and the rather far fetched:-
It would be easy enough to install to install 5 nine volt batteries
(or perhaps some combination) and supply phantom power to the
microphone.



I also checked out some of the chips that the signal runs through. 
These are surface mount 4558. 
(i.e. the cheapest available).
As it happens, those chips aren't required to do a lot of gain increase,
so they aren't a big problem, but it's not as if Alesis charge Behringer
style prices for their mixers. It wouldn't have hurt them to spend a few
pence more per unit on better chips and make something usable in the studio.
If they weren't surface mount I'd consider replacing them with something better,
as when using my own pa I could probably notice the difference.


andy butler










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This is similar to what I'm up to (though I use a wavedrum instead of acous=
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> Date: Wed=2C 16 Sep 2009 10:10:06 +0100
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> From: timwatsontim@googlemail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> Hi everyone=2C
> Very glad to make your aquaintance=2C looper people.
> I am new to this=2C and would very much like some advice before buying
> my first piece of equipment.
> I am a performing/recording percussionist playing many different
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> situation.
> Questions
> 1. Would a Jamman be sufficient for this. Does it allow one to choose
> which loop to delete=2C or would one have to undo the last loop first
> 2  You guys all seem very keen on Boomerang 3.=2C but it doesn't seem to
> allow one to load stuff onto the computer
> 3. Would the ideal combo be a Boomerang and a Jamman?!! This would
> seem to cover all basses=2C although expensive to need both.
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Tim Watson wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Very glad to make your aquaintance, looper people.
> I am new to this, and would very much like some advice before buying
> my first piece of equipment.
> I am a performing/recording percussionist playing many different
> instruments, from djembe to congas to tam Talking drums to UDU clay
> pot drums, and cajon. I also do grooves on the guitar, and am prone to
> sing as well..anyway, the plan is to have a looping device to build
> tracks for personal use...ie learning new rhythms etc, but also to
> build loop tracks live.
> I would very much like to be able to layer, say 10 tracks with
> different instruments, an to also remove them one by one in a live
> situation.
> Questions
> 1. Would a Jamman be sufficient for this. Does it allow one to choose
> which loop to delete, or would one have to undo the last loop first

no, the Digitech Jamman doesn't work like that.
It's very limited.

No hardware looper does.

If you want 10 separately controllable tracks use a laptop setup.

The Looperlative LP1 allows 8 stereo tracks to be used in that way.

The Echoplex Digital Pro sets you build up any number of layers
(depending on memory available) and then to remove them one by
one using it's Undo function. ...but it's not always possible
to predict how mant presses of "Undo" you'd need to do.  


> 2  You guys all seem very keen on Boomerang 3., but it doesn't seem to
> allow one to load stuff onto the computer

like Gareth says, you can do looping on the computer

> 3. Would the ideal combo be a Boomerang and a Jamman?!! This would
> seem to cover all basses, although expensive to need both.

the boomerang looks good, but it's not yet available,
...could take months

> 
> Any other ideas?

building up layers on separate tracks isn't the only looping technique
available, 
it's rather limiting in terms of musical forms that it can produce.

Why not listen to a few loopers and find out what else is possible. 

Also, you may find that in reality you actually need less than 10 tracks.
Especially as it's possible to overdub onto one track as many layers as
you want.

Check out the Roland RC-50
It has three stereo tracks.
Each of those tracks allows you to overdub as many layers as you want. 
It's possible that the length of a track can be an exact multiple of
the first that you record (you'll find that's an essential for making more interesting music).
You can transfer loops to computer.
It's cheaper than the Looperlative( don't know if it connects to computer).

The Looperlative is prefered option if you can afford it, as it
has the 8 tracks you want, but don't know if you can transfer loops
to computer.
....however, you can always record the loops to the computer as audio.


Another line to take is:-
Just get a cheap looping device and try it, then you'll
get a better idea about what you need for your music.


andy butler
ps.
always nice to see a new looper who isn't "just a guitarist".  ;-)






> 
> Thanks in advance, if anyone has the time to advise this newbe Looper person...
> Happy days!
> Timbo
> 
> 

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> Hi everyone,
> Very glad to make your aquaintance, looper people.
> I am new to this, and would very much like some advice before buying
> my first piece of equipment.
> I am a performing/recording percussionist playing many different
> instruments, from djembe to congas to tam Talking drums to UDU clay
> pot drums, and cajon. I also do grooves on the guitar, and am prone to
> sing as well..anyway, the plan is to have a looping device to build
> tracks for personal use...ie learning new rhythms etc, but also to
> build loop tracks live.
> I would very much like to be able to layer, say 10 tracks with
> different instruments, an to also remove them one by one in a live
> situation.
> Questions
> 1. Would a Jamman be sufficient for this. Does it allow one to choose
> which loop to delete, or would one have to undo the last loop first
> 2  You guys all seem very keen on Boomerang 3., but it doesn't seem to
> allow one to load stuff onto the computer
> 3. Would the ideal combo be a Boomerang and a Jamman?!! This would
> seem to cover all basses, although expensive to need both.
>
> Any other ideas?

Welcome to LD and da land of loopage!

In terms of What Looper Do I Get, consider the manner in which you 
conceptualize your looping.  Personally I chose to look for equipment that I 
didn't have to become an expert at using necessarily, in order to make a 
kind of mostly-passive canvas to paint upon (or throw paint at).  Others on 
LD may have a different approach of course.

I don't use a Jamman, a Boomarang, or an EDP (not a knock against 'em!).  My 
tools of choice looping-wise are an old Digitech 7.6 "Time Machine" (base 
loop, off the EFX send/receive of the mixer), and a pair of Zoom 2100's 
(split via an a/b switch, feeding into the mixer on channels 1-4).  I don't 
produce my material using traditional staff/bar constructs, more on the 
level of [1] setup the main loop [2] feed selectively into it using 
momentary on-off switches to either open or kill the loop, from the Zooms, 
and soloing on top of that.

In the past several years I've been fiddling about with a number of software 
loopers like Mobius and Elotronics (a VST plugin).  Now that FL Studio 9 is 
out, and purports to allow audio-in recording in addition to its sequencing 
features, I'll see what happens with that.  I understand Mobius is made to 
operate like an EDP.  These programs are great, are free to download btw, so 
therefore worthy of consideration!

By the way, one of the wonderful things I have gotten from Loopers Delight 
is TAPE OP MAGAZINE!  Free (ad supported) and even sent to the UK now.  The 
latest issue was quite timely, sporting interviews with Les Paul and Ken 
Scott (the issue was received here in the UK the week Les died).  One item 
put forth in both interviews involves the eventual dominance of a 
technological method over artistic-creative endeavor, wherein one becomes 
more of a ProTools user than a musician or engineer, for example.  We've 
been having vigorous discussions about stuff like this on LD for ages.

Welcome again, and good luck!
Stephen Goodman
*
http://www.vimeo.com/spgoodman
http://www.last.fm/music/Stephen+Goodman

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Ahh SO we=B4re back on the 1Umixer problem again...
I am using a horrible behringer right now, its ok, very quiet, and if i
could do something about NOT using the send to go to the loopers, (like a
splitting thing... testing out a patchbay now) then I could use the send fo=
r
something useful instead...

HOWEVER; I have a possible borrow to buy on something that might be
interesting. Its the Motu Traveller, predominately a soundcard, with lots o=
f
input (digital and what not) possibilities, in fact is really a 20 input
machine they say... the only prob i see is that there would be i little bit
of front panel twiddling to use live, first you would select a channel to
mix, then mix it...

but the ability to set up internal chain and save it seems usefull, and
could be interesting... BUT.. Im not sure...certainly after connection to
the computer and using onscreen mixing, one can definitely unplug the damn
PC and just take the 1U to the gig..

Is anyone using this as a mixer? is it possible? I have a good price on one
from a freind, who does rather ambient looping, so hes not so bothered abou=
t
SPEED of use (I need to be able to grab and PLAY the mixer a bit)

Any thoughts?

--=20
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Ahh SO we=B4re back on the 1Umixer problem again...<br>I am using a horribl=
e behringer right now, its ok, very quiet, and if i could do something abou=
t NOT using the send to go to the loopers, (like a splitting thing... testi=
ng out a patchbay now) then I could use the send for something useful inste=
ad...<br>

<br>HOWEVER; I have a possible borrow to buy on something that might be int=
eresting. Its the Motu Traveller, predominately a soundcard, with lots of i=
nput (digital and what not) possibilities, in fact is really a 20 input mac=
hine they say... the only prob i see is that there would be i little bit of=
 front panel twiddling to use live, first you would select a channel to mix=
, then mix it...<br>

<br>but the ability to set up internal chain and save it seems usefull, and=
 could be interesting... BUT.. Im not sure...certainly after connection to =
the computer and using onscreen mixing, one can definitely unplug the damn =
PC and just take the 1U to the gig..<br>

<br>Is anyone using this as a mixer? is it possible? I have a good price on=
 one from a freind, who does rather ambient looping, so hes not so bothered=
 about SPEED of use (I need to be able to grab and PLAY the mixer a bit)<br=
>

<br>Any thoughts?<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><a href=3D"http://www.markfra=
ncombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user82=
5094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br><a href=3D"http://uk.youtube.com/u=
ser/markfrancombe">http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe</a><br>

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kfrancombe</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=3DSync=
h%20Non%20Synch">http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=3DSynch%20Non%20Sy=
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Hi Tim, welcome to the the wonderful world of looping, and welcome to the g=
roup.=0A=0AIt does seem that using PC or Mac and appropriate software might=
 well be the way for you to go, most hardware loopers wouldn't do all you r=
equire.=0A=0AHowever, I will bring to your attention something that I have =
been using as an important part of my livelooping set-up.  The RedSound Sou=
ndbite XL is essentially just a loop-sampler (no overdubbing of any loop), =
but it does allow 6 separate time related loops, all synced together nicely=
, each one starting as soon as each loop is recorded.  Each loop can be tur=
ned off, faded out, or reversed independently, and there is some nice onboa=
rd filtering (unfortunately of all the loops en-masse).  The 'pro' version =
has other features such as loop slicing, and the ability to communicate wit=
h PC/MAC.  I have modified mine to give footswitch control (not difficult).=
  =0A=0AIt's pretty simple and rather deficient as a general purpose looper=
 in many areas, but you might want to consider this.=0A=0ACheck out he manu=
facturers web site.=0A=0Ahttp://www.redsound.com/products=0A=0AStephen=0AI =
have no affiliation with Redsound.=0A'Just another guitarist' ;)=0A=0Awww.m=
yspace.com/sylvianfisher=0A=0A=0A--- On Wed, 16/9/09, Tim Watson <timwatson=
tim@googlemail.com> wrote:=0A=0A> From: Tim Watson <timwatsontim@googlemail=
.com>=0A> Subject: New to looping..=0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=
.com=0A> Date: Wednesday, 16 September, 2009, 9:10 AM=0A> Hi everyone,=0A> =
Very glad to make your aquaintance, looper people.=0A> I am new to this, an=
d would very much like some advice=0A> before buying=0A> my first piece of =
equipment.=0A> I am a performing/recording percussionist playing many=0A> d=
ifferent=0A> instruments, from djembe to congas to tam Talking drums to=0A>=
 UDU clay=0A> pot drums, and cajon. I also do grooves on the guitar, and=0A=
> am prone to=0A> sing as well..anyway, the plan is to have a looping devic=
e=0A> to build=0A> tracks for personal use...ie learning new rhythms etc, b=
ut=0A> also to=0A> build loop tracks live.=0A> I would very much like to be=
 able to layer, say 10 tracks=0A> with=0A> different instruments, an to als=
o remove them one by one in=0A> a live=0A> situation.=0A> Questions=0A> 1. =
Would a Jamman be sufficient for this. Does it allow one=0A> to choose=0A> =
which loop to delete, or would one have to undo the last=0A> loop first=0A>=
 2=A0 You guys all seem very keen on Boomerang 3., but it=0A> doesn't seem =
to=0A> allow one to load stuff onto the computer=0A> 3. Would the ideal com=
bo be a Boomerang and a Jamman?!!=0A> This would=0A> seem to cover all bass=
es, although expensive to need both.=0A> =0A> Any other ideas?=0A> =0A> Tha=
nks in advance, if anyone has the time to advise this=0A> newbe Looper pers=
on...=0A> Happy days!=0A> Timbo=0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A      

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On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:12 PM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Have you ever tried syncing it to a drum machine with mobius?id be really curious if it works for you so let me know. Other than that i found it ok though scrolling thorugh those menus is kind of a pain but could be very practical when traveling.

Hi Luis,
I have done a lot of testing with Mainstage, Bidule, Gordius LG,
Looperlative LP1, Mobius and a midi clock pedal in all kind of
configurations (master, slave). I never had a problem with syncing
these but I have only synced delays and loopers, no drum computers.
But what kind of problem do you mean? The Ultralite is just receiving
and forwarding midi info, it's not generating midi clock. I can't
imagine that sending and forwarding midi data can cause serious
problems when syncing external gear unless there's a bug in the
firmware causing delays in the midi transmission.

Regarding the Ultralite menu, you don't need these if you have your
laptop with you: the Cuemix software is the tool to use and. But if
case you want to change a parameter on stage or use the Ultralite
standalone, you can use the menu and knobs if you want to. For
example, I use the main and phones volume knob...if I don't forget I
have one ;-)

> However,for local bar gigs i go hardware and still use my good ol echoplex and little mackie mixer id love to use a rack mixer to save setup time but unfortunately they all miss those features Andy is mentioning...

I agree and I fully understand. I remember I have been searching for a
small mixer to mix a few instruments and loopers but that seems to be
a whole in the market. But since I use software, these problems have
been solved but I got other problems in return. Well, setting up a
software looping rig simply takes more time than a hardware setup and
you have to be an experienced user to get things working. But software
has so many benefits for me that it has been worth the time.

But I like to have the possibility to tweak effects and volumes like I
did when I used a normal mixer. So I've recently added 2 midi
controllers which I use as mixer:
- a korg Nanocontrol for the pre-loopers insert effects in Mainstage
- a Novation Zero control for the LP1 or Mobius

The Nanocontrol has 9 channels with 1 pot meter, 1 fader and 2 buttons
with led's per channel. It has 4 "scenes" or setups so you actually
have 4 x 9 = 36 channels. But I don't use it like that because the
Korg does not restore the status of the on/off status of the led's.
And it has a transport bar: I use the record button for live
recordings. Very powerful but it feels a bit cheap...the USB connector
easily falls out which can cause crashes...oeps. I'm wondering how
long it will last but then you simply buy a new one, it's only 50
euro's.

I use the Novation as an "8-channels" and 4 row matrix mixer. Each
channel has an endless encoder with leds, 1 pot meter, 2 buttons and I
fader. Plus 16 additional buttons, including 8 transport buttons. Each
midi control can be programmed and you can give it a name. You can
store 32 setups (templates) which can be triggered by program changes
(I think). All the names of 1 "matrix row" are displayed on the
display just above the right channel, so you can instantly see what
each control should do in case you forgot...very important for me. I
won't hit reverse anymore if I need half speed ;-)

I have tried to loop with a midi foot controller only but that wasn't
working for me. So I'm now using 3 controllers, with some functions
setup "double". Depending on the situation, I can start a loop with
switch on the Gordius or a button on the Novation. Btw: the Gordius is
great, but would really love to have a flat model because you easily
hit the wrong switch when you're not used to it. Might be ok for
guitar players though, and I think Bill Walker is using a simple stand
to change the angle of the switches.
-- 
Sjaak Overgaauw
http://premonitionfactory.com/
http://livelooping.be/
http://euroloopfest.com/

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I think I may end up popping for the new 'Rang. I DON'T like the fact that =
it is missing MIDI sync capabilities, though. However, EDP's in excellent c=
ondition are somewhat hard to find and the looperlative is too expensive fo=
r me. I had an RC-50 and wasn't totally enamoured of the device. It was, fr=
ankly, kind of a pain in the rear to use. I just sold off my Digitech Jamma=
n which is a decent basic device. I've also owned and sold a Boss RC-2 and =
RC-20 (and also=A0 several EDPs, the original Jamman and the cool-looking E=
lectrix looper). So...I'm in the market for a new looper and the new 'Rang =
really looks impressive.

--- On Tue, 9/15/09, BC <compguy2@comcast.net> wrote:


From: BC <compguy2@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Just received my Boomerang III yesterday
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 9:05 PM


Yes, this is the one.

It took about three weeks from being put on the waiting list to receiving t=
he unit.

I suppose that time varies, not sure.

He lets you know 1 week ahead when he will be shipping and as soon as you s=
end the dough to his Paypal account it's on its way. I think actual shippin=
g time was 3 days.

Brian


----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Richards

Is this the pre-release version advertized on the 'Rang website for, what, =
$459? How long did it take them to ship it to you? The webpage was very ind=
efinite.=20
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 However, EDP's in excellent condition are somewhat hard to find and the lo=
operlative is too expensive for me. I had an RC-50 and wasn't totally enamo=
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wned and sold a Boss RC-2 and RC-20 (and also&nbsp; several EDPs, the origi=
nal Jamman and the cool-looking Electrix looper). So...I'm in the market fo=
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Just look at the capabilities carefully to make sure it does what you 
expect. Pay special attention to the functionality of the two "bonus" 
buttons, each of which is able to handle two functions (like undo, 
reversese, erase all, play once, etc.). They give you a total of 4 
functions, and the four you choose means the others are not available for 
the performance until you reprogram them. No big deal, but it requires 
stooping down to push a button and spin a knob. Just letting you know since 
you have so much experience with other loopers. Four special functions at a 
time.

I'm very happy with the way the Master Loop #3 works. I'm sure you more 
experienced guys are used to this kind of thing, but this is new territory 
for me. I'll record a rhythm part on loop three, then "arm" loop 1 to record 
a musical loop, and it doesn't start recording until 3 loops back around 
again. It makes for some nice tight recording.

Brian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Paul Richards

I think I may end up popping for the new 'Rang. I DON'T like the fact that 
it is missing MIDI sync capabilities, though. However, EDP's in excellent 
condition are somewhat hard to find and the looperlative is too expensive 
for me. I had an RC-50 and wasn't totally enamoured of the device. It was, 
frankly, kind of a pain in the rear to use. I just sold off my Digitech 
Jamman which is a decent basic device. I've also owned and sold a Boss RC-2 
and RC-20 (and also  several EDPs, the original Jamman and the cool-looking 
Electrix looper). So...I'm in the market for a new looper and the new 'Rang 
really looks impressive. 

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I am Dr.Habib Ghazi Senior Accountant & the Auditor General Manager of BANK
OF AFRICA, of the Federal Republic of Benin. I work with BANK OF AFRICA in
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opportunity that will be benefited for you and I.

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across an abandoned sum of money ( Twenty Five Million One Hundred Thousand
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andy butler schrieb:
> I'd doubt it's possible for improv to really be free without
> conforming to some style or other.

I agree its almost impossible, but if you play with the intention to be 
free, you're likely to be more free than if you just give up because you 
think its impossible. The spirit is the difference...
The key is observing yourself, and if you do the same you did before try 
to switch on your creativity circuit and do something which would 
surprise yourself. With this technique (practice required) you could get 
pretty far (failing allowed and required as well...)

Stefan


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=0A> But what kind of problem do you mean? The Ultralite is just=0A> receiv=
ing=0A> and forwarding midi info, it's not generating midi clock. I=0A> can=
't=0A> imagine that sending and forwarding midi data can cause=0A> serious=
=0A> problems when syncing external gear unless there's a bug in=0A> the=0A=
> firmware causing delays in the midi transmission.=0A=0Ayes,to start with =
i could not beleive that i could not simply change program changes from my =
FBC1010 midi out to the Ultralite midi in and out to my Adrenalinn,it was r=
eally flaky sometimes it would and i would have to stomp several times on t=
he button and other times it just wouldnt.No probelms however throguh my pr=
esonus or my EDP dont ask me why!=0A=0A=0A> =0A> Regarding the Ultralite me=
nu, you don't need these if you=0A> have your=0A> laptop with you: the Cuem=
ix software is the tool to use=0A> and. But if=0A> case you want to change =
a parameter on stage or use the=0A> Ultralite=0A> standalone, you can use t=
he menu and knobs if you want to.=0A=0Ayes i worked with its software as we=
ll but when im looping and have my hands already busy i rather physically g=
rab a knob quickly rather than searching for the mouse and clicking screens=
 i guess ill never warm up to that playing live =0Aor perhaps im too ol sch=
ool;-)=0A=0A> For=0A> example, I use the main and phones volume knob...if I=
 don't=0A> forget I=0A> have one ;-)=0A=0AHa,ha i remeber that one buddy;-)=
)=0A=0A since I use software, these=0A> problems have=0A> been solved but I=
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rig simply takes more time than a hardware=0A> setup and=0A> you have to be=
 an experienced user to get things working.=0A> But software=0A> has so man=
y benefits for me that it has been worth the=0A> time.=0A=0AYes i agree, im=
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 the software strictly for looping and doing all the xternal effect stuff w=
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Raul Bonell schrieb:
> there's a short text called "intuitive music" written by stockhausen 
> himself, isn't stefan?

There are basically two text collections. "Aus den sieben Tagen" and 
"Für kommende Zeiten" ("from the seven days" and "for coming times") 
they contain a nice collection of intuitive music compositions...
I intend to play "Goldstaub" next year...

Stefan

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hi Stephen,

thanks for bring that up.



how do you create the first loop on the SoundBite?

Is it possible to just tap at the start and the end of a loop
just like a regular live looping device?

Is it true that the lengths in beats of each loop is fixed?



andy




Stephen Scott wrote:
> Hi Tim, welcome to the the wonderful world of looping, and welcome to the group.
> 
> It does seem that using PC or Mac and appropriate software might well be the way for you to go, most hardware loopers wouldn't do all you require.
> 
> However, I will bring to your attention something that I have been using as an important part of my livelooping set-up.  The RedSound Soundbite XL is essentially just a loop-sampler (no overdubbing of any loop), but it does allow 6 separate time related loops, all synced together nicely, each one starting as soon as each loop is recorded.  Each loop can be turned off, faded out, or reversed independently, and there is some nice onboard filtering (unfortunately of all the loops en-masse).  The 'pro' version has other features such as loop slicing, and the ability to communicate with PC/MAC.  I have modified mine to give footswitch control (not difficult).  
> 
> It's pretty simple and rather deficient as a general purpose looper in many areas, but you might want to consider this.
> 
> Check out he manufacturers web site.
> 
> http://www.redsound.com/products
> 
> Stephen
> I have no affiliation with Redsound.
> 'Just another guitarist' ;)
> 
> www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher
> 

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The RedSound Soundbite XL.....sez steve


 


 steven.....this looks like a kool tool.....could you give a "blow by blow" description of how you use it?.....thanks.....m








 


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I'm a newbie myself in this looping thing, and just started to
experiment with that using my laptop. I recently started trying
different softwares that allow looping, and then I finally bought a
midi footcontroller (FCB 1010) to control them. Softwares like Ableton
Live and Guitar Rig will allow you great flexibility in terms of
setup. Also, I find Sooperlooper an excellent program, since it allows
you to open multiple looping devices, so you have the option both to
overdub in just one track, or record individual loops in different
tracks, that can be muted, or reversed, etc, or even do overdubbing in
all the tracks.
The only problem is that with this type of configuration, you have to
spend a lot of time to learn how to deal with midi language and
setting up an environment that works for your musical needs. Hope that
helps!
Alex


www.alexandreklinke.com

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:00 AM,  <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
> The RedSound Soundbite XL.....sez steve
>
> steven.....this looks like a kool tool.....could you give a "blow by blow"
> description of how you use it?.....thanks.....m
>
>
>
>

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> yes i worked with its software as well but when im looping and have my ha=
nds already busy i rather physically grab a knob quickly rather than search=
ing for the mouse and clicking screens i guess ill never warm up to that pl=
aying live
> or perhaps im too ol school;-)

I agree, that's why I bought the midi controllers.
>> For example, I use the main and phones volume knob...if I don't forget I=
 have one ;-)
>
> Ha,ha i remeber that one buddy;-))

Some people were thinking it was a drone :)) hahaha

> Yes i agree, im quite happy using mobius as my looper,at the moment i fee=
l just fine using the software strictly for looping and doing all the xtern=
al effect stuff with hardware,i dont think i m ready to go all SW yet, the =
thoguth of it make me too nervous but the combination of both suits me well=
!

Well, it made me nervous too in the past. But you need discipline and
make sure you test out everything well. For example, I'm practising a
lot and leave my Mac running for hours and hours just to make sure the
looping setup is working well. So that's my definition of "stage
proof". On the other hand, I have spent lot's of time on my hardware
loopers as well and although setting up a hardware system is easier
than software, I had to solve many issues before I had a more or less
working system. Noise, clicks, midi problems, bugs, failing
hardware...you name it!
--=20
Sjaak Overgaauw
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I think I may end up popping for the new 'Rang.

 


 


 please get two and send me one.....:).....my mind is awash with loopy dreams......i NEED so many things, the rang lll has been on the list for a good while....."i loop you long time"......pre-rang needs:.... a new computer so i can make bofo videos and play in real time on the nertrino like all the kool cats.....a camera.....a new chair.....way too many things.....fear not though, i will help the world's depression by spending my meager gelt on a toy or two, someone's got to do it.....(this will only happen after they throw this pretty piece--o-man meat down on the cold slab and come at me with knives, this happens on friday, healthy legs are 74% of the battle).....i keep thinking that i must get ready to hunker down for the winter and become a bit productive as if i do not already have "life lurking" problems......if i hunker any deeper, i may disappear.....HEY, stop clapping in the back!.....:)m







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<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 3px;">I think I may end up popping for the new 'Rang.</blockquote>
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<div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">please get two and send me one.....:).....my mind is awash with loopy dreams......i NEED so many things, the rang lll has been on the list for a good while....."i loop you long time"......pre-rang needs:.... a new computer so i can make bofo videos and play in real time on the nertrino like all the kool cats.....a camera.....a new chair.....way too many things.....fear not though, i will help the world's depression by spending my meager gelt on a toy or two, someone's got to do it.....(this will only happen after they throw this pretty piece--o-man meat down on the cold slab and come at me with knives, this happens on friday, healthy legs are 74% of the battle).....i keep thinking that i must get ready to hunker down for the winter and become a bit productive as if i do not already have "life lurking" problems......if i hunker any deeper, i may disappear.....HEY, stop clapping in the back!.....:)m</font><br>
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There's a similar device in Audiomulch called cannon looper. It allows a tr=
ain of up to 16 loopers=2C each repeating once only. Quite neat actually..
Why not download the trial software and give it a go? There are loads of pl=
ugins you could try as long as your soundcard is
pretty reasonable. It's a steep learning curve initially but there are
some very well informed members on this list...

Peace

G

ps keeping track of 10 loops might be a little unweildy in terms of hardwar=
e control. I've used up to 4 recently and have found it less than manageabl=
e even when I've assigned dfferent loops to dfferent famlies of sound=2C (r=
hythm=2C harmonies=2C ambience etc).=20
Experiment.

> Date: Wed=2C 16 Sep 2009 11:57:04 +0000
> From: loopingsteve@yahoo.co.uk
> Subject: Re: New to looping..
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> Hi Tim=2C welcome to the the wonderful world of looping=2C and welcome to=
 the group.
>=20
> It does seem that using PC or Mac and appropriate software might well be =
the way for you to go=2C most hardware loopers wouldn't do all you require.
>=20
> However=2C I will bring to your attention something that I have been usin=
g as an important part of my livelooping set-up.  The RedSound Soundbite XL=
 is essentially just a loop-sampler (no overdubbing of any loop)=2C but it =
does allow 6 separate time related loops=2C all synced together nicely=2C e=
ach one starting as soon as each loop is recorded.  Each loop can be turned=
 off=2C faded out=2C or reversed independently=2C and there is some nice on=
board filtering (unfortunately of all the loops en-masse).  The 'pro' versi=
on has other features such as loop slicing=2C and the ability to communicat=
e with PC/MAC.  I have modified mine to give footswitch control (not diffic=
ult). =20
>=20
> It's pretty simple and rather deficient as a general purpose looper in ma=
ny areas=2C but you might want to consider this.
>=20
> Check out he manufacturers web site.
>=20
> http://www.redsound.com/products
>=20
> Stephen
> I have no affiliation with Redsound.
> 'Just another guitarist' =3B)
>=20
> www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher
>=20
>=20
> --- On Wed=2C 16/9/09=2C Tim Watson <timwatsontim@googlemail.com> wrote:
>=20
> > From: Tim Watson <timwatsontim@googlemail.com>
> > Subject: New to looping..
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Date: Wednesday=2C 16 September=2C 2009=2C 9:10 AM
> > Hi everyone=2C
> > Very glad to make your aquaintance=2C looper people.
> > I am new to this=2C and would very much like some advice
> > before buying
> > my first piece of equipment.
> > I am a performing/recording percussionist playing many
> > different
> > instruments=2C from djembe to congas to tam Talking drums to
> > UDU clay
> > pot drums=2C and cajon. I also do grooves on the guitar=2C and
> > am prone to
> > sing as well..anyway=2C the plan is to have a looping device
> > to build
> > tracks for personal use...ie learning new rhythms etc=2C but
> > also to
> > build loop tracks live.
> > I would very much like to be able to layer=2C say 10 tracks
> > with
> > different instruments=2C an to also remove them one by one in
> > a live
> > situation.
> > Questions
> > 1. Would a Jamman be sufficient for this. Does it allow one
> > to choose
> > which loop to delete=2C or would one have to undo the last
> > loop first
> > 2  You guys all seem very keen on Boomerang 3.=2C but it
> > doesn't seem to
> > allow one to load stuff onto the computer
> > 3. Would the ideal combo be a Boomerang and a Jamman?!!
> > This would
> > seem to cover all basses=2C although expensive to need both.
> >=20
> > Any other ideas?
> >=20
> > Thanks in advance=2C if anyone has the time to advise this
> > newbe Looper person...
> > Happy days!
> > Timbo
> >=20
> >=20
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>      =20
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There's a similar device in Audiomulch called cannon looper. It allows a tr=
ain of up to 16 loopers=2C each repeating once only. Quite neat actually..<=
br>Why not download the trial software and give it a go? There are loads of=
 plugins you could try as long as your soundcard is
pretty reasonable. It's a steep learning curve initially but there are
some very well informed members on this list...<br><br>Peace<br><br>G<br><b=
r>ps keeping track of 10 loops might be a little unweildy in terms of hardw=
are control. I've used up to 4 recently and have found it less than managea=
ble even when I've assigned dfferent loops to dfferent famlies of sound=2C =
(rhythm=2C harmonies=2C ambience etc). <br>Experiment.<br><br>&gt=3B Date: =
Wed=2C 16 Sep 2009 11:57:04 +0000<br>&gt=3B From: loopingsteve@yahoo.co.uk<=
br>&gt=3B Subject: Re: New to looping..<br>&gt=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Hi Tim=2C welcome to the the wonderful =
world of looping=2C and welcome to the group.<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B It does =
seem that using PC or Mac and appropriate software might well be the way fo=
r you to go=2C most hardware loopers wouldn't do all you require.<br>&gt=3B=
 <br>&gt=3B However=2C I will bring to your attention something that I have=
 been using as an important part of my livelooping set-up.  The RedSound So=
undbite XL is essentially just a loop-sampler (no overdubbing of any loop)=
=2C but it does allow 6 separate time related loops=2C all synced together =
nicely=2C each one starting as soon as each loop is recorded.  Each loop ca=
n be turned off=2C faded out=2C or reversed independently=2C and there is s=
ome nice onboard filtering (unfortunately of all the loops en-masse).  The =
'pro' version has other features such as loop slicing=2C and the ability to=
 communicate with PC/MAC.  I have modified mine to give footswitch control =
(not difficult).  <br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B It's pretty simple and rather defic=
ient as a general purpose looper in many areas=2C but you might want to con=
sider this.<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Check out he manufacturers web site.<br>&g=
t=3B <br>&gt=3B http://www.redsound.com/products<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Steph=
en<br>&gt=3B I have no affiliation with Redsound.<br>&gt=3B 'Just another g=
uitarist' =3B)<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher<br>&gt=3B=
 <br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B --- On Wed=2C 16/9/09=2C Tim Watson &lt=3Btimwatsont=
im@googlemail.com&gt=3B wrote:<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B &gt=3B From: Tim Watson=
 &lt=3Btimwatsontim@googlemail.com&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B Subject: New to l=
ooping..<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>&gt=3B=
 &gt=3B Date: Wednesday=2C 16 September=2C 2009=2C 9:10 AM<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B=
 Hi everyone=2C<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B Very glad to make your aquaintance=2C loop=
er people.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B I am new to this=2C and would very much like so=
me advice<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B before buying<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B my first piece of=
 equipment.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B I am a performing/recording percussionist play=
ing many<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B different<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B instruments=2C from dj=
embe to congas to tam Talking drums to<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B UDU clay<br>&gt=3B =
&gt=3B pot drums=2C and cajon. I also do grooves on the guitar=2C and<br>&g=
t=3B &gt=3B am prone to<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B sing as well..anyway=2C the plan i=
s to have a looping device<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B to build<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B track=
s for personal use...ie learning new rhythms etc=2C but<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B al=
so to<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B build loop tracks live.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B I would ver=
y much like to be able to layer=2C say 10 tracks<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B with<br>&=
gt=3B &gt=3B different instruments=2C an to also remove them one by one in<=
br>&gt=3B &gt=3B a live<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B situation.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B Questi=
ons<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B 1. Would a Jamman be sufficient for this. Does it allo=
w one<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B to choose<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B which loop to delete=2C o=
r would one have to undo the last<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B loop first<br>&gt=3B &gt=
=3B 2&nbsp=3B You guys all seem very keen on Boomerang 3.=2C but it<br>&gt=
=3B &gt=3B doesn't seem to<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B allow one to load stuff onto th=
e computer<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B 3. Would the ideal combo be a Boomerang and a J=
amman?!!<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B This would<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B seem to cover all bas=
ses=2C although expensive to need both.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B <br>&gt=3B &gt=3B =
Any other ideas?<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B <br>&gt=3B &gt=3B Thanks in advance=2C if=
 anyone has the time to advise this<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B newbe Looper person...=
<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B Happy days!<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B Timbo<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B <br>&=
gt=3B &gt=3B <br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B       <br>&gt=3B <br><br /><h=
r />View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. <a href=3D'http=
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=0A=0A=0A--- On Wed, 16/9/09, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:=
=0A=0A=0A=0A> how do you create the first loop on the SoundBite?=0A=0APress=
 a pad.  This will record a loop, which will then cycle until you press it =
again to turn it off.  Next press turns it back on again, or you can choose=
 to re-sample it.=0A=0A> Is it possible to just tap at the start and the en=
d of a=0A> loop=0A> just like a regular live looping device?=0A=0ANo.=0A=0A=
> Is it true that the lengths in beats of each loop is=0A> fixed?=0A=0AYes,=
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is determined by setting the BPM value.  The sample 6 pads are labelled as =
number of beats, with default values of 1,2,2,4,8 and 16.  Therefore, at 60=
bpm, this equates to, 1,2,2,4,8 and 16 seconds for the pad sample times for=
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 the overall sample memory is no more, I believe, and there are only 4 samp=
le pads on the micro.=0A=0Abtw, the BPM can be changed incrementally at any=
 time, this giving a corresponding loop speeding/pitch raising or slowing/p=
itch drop effect.=0A=0AStephen=0A=0A=0A=0A      

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On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:12 PM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Have you ever tried syncing it to a drum machine with mobius?
>


I've synced a Roland MC-303 to an EDP sending out MIDI Clock. Since MIDI
Clock is what also Mobius sends out it should work just fine.

Greetings from Sweden

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On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
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:<br>
&gt; Have you ever tried syncing it to a drum machine with mobius?</div></b=
lockquote></div><br><br>I&#39;ve synced a Roland MC-303 to an EDP sending o=
ut MIDI Clock. Since MIDI Clock is what also Mobius sends out it should wor=
k just fine. <br>
<br>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"http://www.boyse=
n.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboys=
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--- On Wed, 16/9/09, nemoguitt@aol.com <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:=0A=0A>  T=
he RedSound=0A> Soundbite XL.....sez steve=0A =0A>  steven.....this looks l=
ike a kool tool.....could=0A> you give a "blow by blow" description of how =
you=0A> use it?.....thanks.....m=0A=0A=0AIt currently sits in-line, the mai=
n unlooped signal passing out through the headphone jack,  the looped OP go=
ing into a separate mixer channel.=0A=0AThe sample time has to be punched i=
n before any looping takes place. This is determined by setting the BPM val=
ue.  The sample 6 pads are labelled as number of beats, with default values=
 of 1,2,4,4,8 and 16.  Therefore, at 60bpm, this equates to, 1,2,4,4,8 and =
16 seconds for the pad sample times for the XL.  The Pro and Micro versions=
 allow user definable sample times, but the overall sample memory is no mor=
e, I believe, and there are only 4 sample pads on the micro.=0A=0Abtw, the =
BPM can be changed incrementally at any time, this giving a corresponding l=
oop speeding/pitch raising or slowing/pitch drop effect.=0A=0ATo record a l=
oop, press a pad.  When the recording gets to the end of the preset time, t=
he loop will cycle until you press the pad again to turn it off.  Next pres=
s turns it back on again, or you can choose to re-sample it.=0A=0AMost loop=
ers on this group will probably be cringing at this point, because of these=
 fixed sample lengths.  However, to a certain extent, I have adapted my sty=
le of playing to accomodate this limitation.  Typically, I will record a co=
uple of rhythmic things repeating on the 1 or 2 second loops, add some ambi=
ence on the 4 second loops, maybe a bassline on the 8 second loop, and some=
 melody perhaps on the 16 second sample.  =0A=0AThere is NO MIDI sync at al=
l.  However, believe it or not, this and my EDP (with tempo set the same as=
 the Soundbite) stay in sync for as long as I need, several hours if necces=
ary :)  So I can do all the usual EDP stuff in conjunction with my little l=
oop sampler.=0A=0AOn the Soundbite XL, once a loop is playing, it can be tu=
rned off (and comes back perfectly in sync when turned back on), reversed, =
volume faded up or down, but only in 1dB increments.  Any loop can be time =
slipped back or forth relative to the other loops, or all loops can be time=
-slipped together.  Finally, there is also a filter which works on the loop=
s, this can be set to HP, LP or Bandpass, with 32 step conrol of resonance,=
 and sounds quite sweet BUT affects all loops unfortunately.=0A=0AThe Sound=
bite Pro offers a few more features, mainly loop slicing and offline comput=
er connectivity - check the online manual for more details.=0A =0AThere is =
no IP gain control, it seems to use some sort of auto-gain control, but thi=
s isn't as bad as some.=0A=0ASo, definitely not first choice for a conventi=
onal looper, but does offer a lot of fun.=0A=0AStephen=0Awww.myspace.com/sy=
lvianfisher=0A=0A=0A=0A      

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Hi,
I=92ve received the youtube link from sound engineer Ronald Mari=EBn of
Dirk Serries=92 Microphonics performance on the 2009 edition of the
Antwerp Live Looping Festival, see http://livelooping.be/

Btw: Tonefloat records has published the press release of Microphonics
vii, the latest release of Dirk Serries. Microphonics vii was recorded
live during the 1st edition of the Antwerp festival and will be
released late September 2009. You can read the press release via the
same link.

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Hi Paul,
Did you write this:?

>play in real time on the nertrino like all the kool cats....."

hmmm....ok, I don't think I found anything relevant on the
web.....what is this "nertrino" you speak of??

tx,
AndyG

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I've busked a lot real time meaning non loops just live instruments, in
subway, streets, park, etc.  It's a grand stage in a way as when you think
no one is listening which you adjust to they will surprise you and when you
think they are, they will surprise you.  Favorite busking story I was
playing on the subway platform near where I live in Brooklyn.  I finished
and came up to the street level was part of the way down the block and a
woman passed me and said 'that was really nice'.  Those are the one's
sometimes.

Since I've been using loops in the last couple of years I have wondered
about dealing with power in a street situation.  Not impossible but it's
kind of another level of complication in what normally is a situation where
you want to travel lite but all subjective.

Along the live front remember the Virtual Vision and
Sound<http://www.myspace.com/vsvfestival>festival coming up on Oct.
3rd.  Several of us are involved in the
community.  Stay tuned for more details and a show URL.

Jim

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Gareth Whittock
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> Have any of you busked loops? Just wondering what the reaction has been..
>
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s, in subway, streets, park, etc.=A0 It&#39;s a grand stage in a way as whe=
n you think no one is listening which you adjust to they will surprise you =
and when you think they are, they will surprise you.=A0 Favorite busking st=
ory I was playing on the subway platform near where I live in Brooklyn.=A0 =
I finished and came up to the street level was part of the way down the blo=
ck and a woman passed me and said &#39;that was really nice&#39;.=A0 Those =
are the one&#39;s sometimes.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Since I&#39;ve been using loops in the last couple of years I have won=
dered about dealing with power in a street situation.=A0 Not impossible but=
 it&#39;s kind of another level of complication in what normally is a situa=
tion where you want to travel lite but all subjective.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Along the live front remember the <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/vs=
vfestival">Virtual Vision and Sound</a> festival coming up on Oct. 3rd.=A0 =
Several of us are involved in the community.=A0 Stay tuned for more details=
 and a show URL.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Jim<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Gareth Whittock=
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n..<br><br><br>G<br><br>
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nks...<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com<=
/a><br>
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w.myspace.com/jindream</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmu=
sic">www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
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Wonderful sounds!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sjaak Overgaauw" <tcplugin@gmail.com>
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Hi,
I’ve received the youtube link from sound engineer Ronald Mariën of
Dirk Serries’ Microphonics performance on the 2009 edition of the
Antwerp Live Looping Festival, see http://livelooping.be/

Btw: Tonefloat records has published the press release of Microphonics
vii, the latest release of Dirk Serries. Microphonics vii was recorded
live during the 1st edition of the Antwerp festival and will be
released late September 2009. You can read the press release via the
same link.

-- 
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http://premonitionfactory.com/
http://livelooping.be/
http://euroloopfest.com/



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Actually the first real introduction to loops that I had beyond 
playing with a delay pedal was at the Halifax Buskers festival, round 
about 1995. There was an Australian performer named Lindsay Buckland 
who was playing appalacian dulcimer and percussion and using a Jamman 
I think. I still listen to the couple of cd's that we traded, it was 
tremendous stuff. My recollection was that he was doing very well 
amongst the musicians because looping was so unique at that time and 
people were really blown away with the sound and textures that he 
could create. We had several conversations about the possibilities of 
looping hammered dulcimer which I eventually began to explore.

Of course in a busking festival the musicians never do well compared 
to the jugglers, The advantage of performing at a busking festival is 
that at least you don't have to educate people as to what the 
appropriate response should be if they enjoy your music... ie don't 
applaud, just through money!!!!!

I did several years busking, it's a great training ground to learn 
how to entertain and hold an audience. remember they have no reason 
to stand there and listen unless they like you.

Paul Haslem
www.dulcify.ca
Ontario, Canada






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Actually the first real introduction to loops that I had beyond playing
with a delay pedal was at the Halifax Buskers festival, round about 1995.
There was an Australian performer named Lindsay Buckland who was playing
appalacian dulcimer and percussion and using a Jamman I think. I still
listen to the couple of cd's that we traded, it was tremendous stuff. My
recollection was that he was doing very well amongst the musicians
because looping was so unique at that time and people were really blown
away with the sound and textures that he could create. We had several
conversations about the possibilities of looping hammered dulcimer which
I eventually began to explore.<br><br>
Of course in a busking festival the musicians never do well compared to
the jugglers, The advantage of performing at a busking festival is that
at least you don't have to educate people as to what the appropriate
response should be if they enjoy your music... ie don't applaud, just
through money!!!!!<br><br>
I did several years busking, it's a great training ground to learn how to
entertain and hold an audience. remember they have no reason to stand
there and listen unless they like you.<br><br>
Paul Haslem<br>
<a href="http://www.dulcify.ca/" eudora="autourl">www.dulcify.ca<br>
</a>Ontario, Canada<br><br>
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G<br><br>
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i used to *enslave* a jomox x-base to mobius and worked fine as it did with
the EDP.

2009/9/16 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>wrote:
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>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:12 PM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
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i used to *enslave* a jomox x-base to mobius and worked fine as it did with=
 the EDP.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/16 Per Boysen <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"im"=
>On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:tcplugin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tcplugin@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-le=
ft: 1ex;">
<div>On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:12 PM, L.Angulo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:labal=
oops@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Have you ever tried syncing it to a drum machine with mobius?</div></b=
lockquote></div><br><br></div>I&#39;ve synced a Roland MC-303 to an EDP sen=
ding out MIDI Clock. Since MIDI Clock is what also Mobius sends out it shou=
ld work just fine. <br>

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thanx for posting this video since i only saw part of it in Antwerp wonderf=
ul soundscapes from Dirk very soulful man!=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisanguloc=
om=0A=0A=0A--- Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> schrieb am Mi, 16.9.200=
9:=0A=0A> Von: Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>=0A> Betreff: Microphoni=
cs VII at Antwerp Loopfest 2009 - live video=0A> An: "LD" <Loopers-Delight@=
loopers-delight.com>=0A> Datum: Mittwoch, 16. September 2009, 11:41=0A> Hi,=
=0A> I=E2=80=99ve received the youtube link from sound engineer Ronald=0A> =
Mari=C3=ABn of=0A> Dirk Serries=E2=80=99 Microphonics performance on the 20=
09=0A> edition of the=0A> Antwerp Live Looping Festival, see http://liveloo=
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You mean, playing loops in the streets, right?
I did it a while ago. Guitar- Instrumentals, looping. Only once, cause I =
got problems here
in Cologne with the city-watchers. For buskers it=B4s not allowed to use =
amplification outside.
Reactionwise it was pretty poor. But I=B4d try it again. Now from time =
to time I play Blues and other
cover songs in the traditional way (just acoustic guitar, harp etc.). =
It=B4s fun.
But I=B4ve seen 2 girls on the street, one singing, one playing electric =
guitar and=20
using loops (before the city personel came...) and it looked like they
got more attention for their music. I think as a busker you get more =
attention
when it=B4s more than one musician and if youre singing. And you have to =
be good.
So you definetely should try it. Good experience anyway.
Christo
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On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Christo Jota <chris@christojota.de> wrote=
:

> I think as a busker you get more attention
> when it=C2=B4s more than one musician and if youre singing.
>


Indeed, but there are a few exceptions. Albert Ayler sax busked for an hour
here in Stockholm in the sixties and people still write about it in the
magazines! ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.perboysen.com

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On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Christo Jota <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:chris@christojota.de">chris@christojota.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; paddi=
ng-left: 1ex;">
<div><font face=3D"Arial">I think as a=20
busker you get more attention</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">when it=C2=B4s more than one musician and if your=
e singing.</font></div></blockquote></div><br><br>Indeed, but there are a f=
ew exceptions. Albert Ayler sax busked for an hour here in Stockholm in the=
 sixties and people still write about it in the magazines! ;-)<br>
<br>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"http://www.boyse=
n.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboys=
en.com</a><br>
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Thank you, Luis, for the nice feedback.  Thanks to Ronald and Sjaak =20
for posting the video.  Was a real pleasure to perform at the Antwerp =20
Loop festival and look forward to the next one.

Dirk.


Citeren L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>:

> thanx for posting this video since i only saw part of it in Antwerp =20
> wonderful soundscapes from Dirk very soulful man!
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> --- Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> schrieb am Mi, 16.9.2009:
>
>> Von: Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>
>> Betreff: Microphonics VII at Antwerp Loopfest 2009 - live video
>> An: "LD" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Datum: Mittwoch, 16. September 2009, 11:41
>> Hi,
>> I=E2=80=99ve received the youtube link from sound engineer Ronald
>> Mari=C3=ABn of
>> Dirk Serries=E2=80=99 Microphonics performance on the 2009
>> edition of the
>> Antwerp Live Looping Festival, see http://livelooping.be/
>>
>> Btw: Tonefloat records has published the press release of
>> Microphonics
>> vii, the latest release of Dirk Serries. Microphonics vii
>> was recorded
>> live during the 1st edition of the Antwerp festival and
>> will be
>> released late September 2009. You can read the press
>> release via the
>> same link.
>>
>> --
>> Sjaak Overgaauw
>> http://premonitionfactory.com/
>> http://livelooping.be/
>> http://euroloopfest.com/
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>



www.microphonics.be
www.myspace.com/mymicrophonics

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AFTERGLOW ON WMUH:                      http://soundscapes.us/afterglow
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Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am (EDT/GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00) every
Thursday morning.  Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical
genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock.  Tune in at 91.7
FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram


GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY:                   http://galactictravels.info
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Here in NYC busking requires permits and you must be selected by the 
city... to do it  *legally* that is... ;-)

I've used looping in street performances and 'happenings' type events 
with a few performance arts organizations,
so it's not such an anonymous situation as pure busking.  I typically 
used a line 6 running on the "C" cell batteries and a borrowed 
battery powered amp (a Crate "Taxi"?)  The reactions have been 
remarkably positive.  Once on 9th street in the east village a guy 
started doing interpretive dances to my music, everyone thought it 
was part of the act... !!   He later got involved in several local 
dance organizations and is now a valued member of that community. 
It's nice to see that sort of thing happen.

The other day I saw a FANTASTIC  Reggae singer / guitarist in a 
subway station uptown using an RC-30 what a Voice he had...!   I wish 
I had gotten his name but my girlfriend was literally dragging me 
away because our train was arriving....

-CZ
-- 
...
http://www.zmix.net

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Hi

did you notice this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/user/timexile

amazing variety of tricks and source sounds...

http://thenowwave.blogspot.com/

I like his talk about how the electronic music become richer with  
livelooping:
"I used to have a grudge against electronic sounds because they were  
too proud to be connected to actions, but now they're beginning to  
welcome me in and our friendship is blossoming. ..."

... exept that he does not speak of livelooping...

enjoy
Matthias

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Hi everyone, a post from someone who mostly lurks but chimes in on rare occ=
asions.  I use Mobius in Bidule as well as an echoplex, and am finally gett=
ing serious about getting some music out to the world. I'm writing for a gr=
oup to include some less common reeds - bass clarinet, oboe, bassoon.

Here is my question - what resources are available for finding people onlin=
e to overdub parts via an exchange of files over the web? I know there are =
such resources but I wasn't having much luck finding them today.  Absent so=
me better-informed suggestions, I could just start posting to Harmony Centr=
al and various other large-scale musical forums, but I can't help but think=
 there are better tools out there. Any ideas?

Of course I am looking locally for real live musicians for this project, bu=
t folks who improvise on these instruments are not growing on trees. I've r=
eached out to Dave Newhouse of The Muffins , Carrie Shull, and Dana Jessen =
 over the last few days. Dave would fit the bill and I hope to hear from hi=
m when he returns from the RIO Festival in France, for which they just left=
 yesterday.

Any help would be deeply appreciated.

Thrive,
Hal Dean


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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi everyone, a post from someone who mostly lurks but =
chimes
in on rare occasions.&nbsp; I use Mobius in Bidule as well as an echoplex, =
and
am finally getting serious about getting some music out to the world. I&#82=
17;m
writing for a group to include some less common reeds &#8211; bass clarinet=
,
oboe, bassoon.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Here is my question &#8211; what resources are availab=
le for
finding people online to overdub parts via an exchange of files over the we=
b? I
know there are such resources but I wasn&#8217;t having much luck finding t=
hem
today.&nbsp; Absent some better-informed suggestions, I could just start po=
sting
to Harmony Central and various other large-scale musical forums, but I can&=
#8217;t
help but think there are better tools out there. Any ideas?<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Of course I am looking locally for real live musicians=
 for
this project, but folks who improvise on these instruments are not growing =
on trees.
I&#8217;ve reached out to Dave Newhouse of The Muffins , Carrie Shull, and =
Dana
Jessen &nbsp;over the last few days. Dave would fit the bill and I hope to =
hear
from him when he returns from the RIO Festival in France, for which they ju=
st
left yesterday.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Any help would be deeply appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Thrive,<o:p></o:p></p>

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- Dear partner, Your Bank Draft worth of $1.7million usd has been credited in ATM VISA CARD by the issuing Bank, be inform that  you can not withdraw more than $7.500 per day this is what the Bank said you will see the rest details when you receive it I have also registered your ATM VISA CARD $1.7million usd with UPS Courier Company reconfirm your contact information as follows Your full name Delivery Address Telephone Number Your state and Your Country,Contact person is Jim osmanEmail; (atmbenin1@sify.com )Phone number +229 9881 52 62 So I have pay for delivering and insurance charges, I paid it, so the only money you will pay them is security keeping fee which they state that I will not pay for it because the keeping fee is  $126.00 dollars, and I deposited it day before yesterday been 08/09/2009, And I did not contact you yesterday due to low connection, so that is why 1did not pay for keeping fee,So I want you to contact urgent to avoid increase of their keeping fee,Your faith fully.David Hoot


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- Dear partner, Your Bank Draft worth of $1.7million usd has been credited in ATM VISA CARD by the issuing Bank, be inform that  you can not withdraw more than $7.500 per day this is what the Bank said you will see the rest details when you receive it I have also registered your ATM VISA CARD $1.7million usd with UPS Courier Company reconfirm your contact information as follows Your full name Delivery Address Telephone Number Your state and Your Country,Contact person is Jim osmanEmail; (atmbenin1@sify.com )Phone number +229 9881 52 62 So I have pay for delivering and insurance charges, I paid it, so the only money you will pay them is security keeping fee which they state that I will not pay for it because the keeping fee is  $126.00 dollars, and I deposited it day before yesterday been 08/09/2009, And I did not contact you yesterday due to low connection, so that is why 1did not pay for keeping fee,So I want you to contact urgent to avoid increase of their keeping fee,Your faith fully.David Hoot


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Here writes Lady Amanda Williams, suffering from cancerous ailment. I was
married to Sir Richard Anderson an Englishman who is dead. My husband was
into private practice all his life before his death. Our life together as
man and wife lasted for three decades without child, My husband and I made
a vow to uplift the down-trodden and the less-privileged individuals as he
had passion for persons who can not help themselves due to physical
disability or financial predicament.

When my late husband was alive he deposited the sum of =A320 Million pounds
whichwere derived from his vast estates and investment in capital market
with his bank here in UK.

Presently, this money is still with the bank.Recently, my doctor told me
that I have limited days to live due to the cancerous problems I am
suffering from and the stroke in addition.With this that has befallen my
family and me I have decided to donate this fund to you and want you to
use this gift to fund the upkeep of uplift the down-trodden and the
less-privilege sine i have no child and my husband relatives are bourgeois
and very wealthy persons and I do not want my husband's hard earned money
to be misused.I shall give you the contact of the bank in UK and a Letter
of Authority that will empower you as the original beneficiary. You can
contact me through my personal email address: amandawillliam@gmail.com

Best Regards,
Lady Amanda Williams




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Hi all,
Just a quick question. I'm looking for a looper that has a selectable  
bpm, rather than a tap tempo or midi sync. I've found (please correct  
me if I'm wrong) that the dd-20 and the timebender, which looked like  
they would do the job, actually only have a selectable bpm for there  
delays and not the looper (sigh). Anyone know of one that exists (that  
isn't $1000)??
Thanks!
Alicia 

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Any of the delay modes on the DD20 can be used as a looper when you
adjust the feedback.  All you have to do (with the delay select OFF)
is set the feedback to 100%, set your tempo, press the delay on when
you're ready to record into it and then press the delay off when
you're done.  Press on again if you want to add more.  The delay on
the DD20 continues to play when its 'off' making the off button more
of an open delay/close delay option.

Kevin

(who is warming to the DD20 as a looper more and more every time I play)

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Alicia <leashmiller@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Just a quick question. I'm looking for a looper that has a selectable bpm,
> rather than a tap tempo or midi sync. I've found (please correct me if I'm
> wrong) that the dd-20 and the timebender, which looked like they would do
> the job, actually only have a selectable bpm for there delays and not the
> looper (sigh). Anyone know of one that exists (that isn't $1000)??
> Thanks!
> Alicia
>



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dear loopers

i love reading the posts and thx for all the
amazing advice i've gotten so far.

this is a bit off topic but does anyone have
suggestions for good earplugs that don't kill
the lows or highs.

i've gotten personal earplugs where they take
a mold of your ear etc but the plugs seemed to
definitely effect frequency hearing.  anyone have
a pair they recommend.

also does anyone have any recommendations
on tuning a bass in 5ths?  i am a cellist and thinking
of tuning the e down to a c but don't want it to
send too flabby.

any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!!


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here are my go to's for full(most) frequency pluggs:
http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.aspx

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>dear loopers
>
>i love reading the posts and thx for all the
>amazing advice i've gotten so far.
>
>this is a bit off topic but does anyone have
>suggestions for good earplugs that don't kill
>the lows or highs.
>
>i've gotten personal earplugs where they take
>a mold of your ear etc but the plugs seemed to
>definitely effect frequency hearing.  anyone have
>a pair they recommend.
>
>also does anyone have any recommendations
>on tuning a bass in 5ths?  i am a cellist and thinking
>of tuning the e down to a c but don't want it to
>send too flabby.
>
>any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!!
>
>

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I use the same plugs.  They do cut hi frequencies more than lows, but it's
not as extreme as the regular earplugs.

I don't think it's physically possible to have a completely flat frequency
response without the aid of electronics. The best earplugs I found are my
fingertips. By resting them over my ear canals without inserting them, I can
reduce db and still hear most of the details of the sounds.

Matt

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:49 PM, <stanitarium@earthlink.net> wrote:

> here are my go to's for full(most) frequency pluggs:
> http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.aspx
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I use the same plugs.=A0 They do cut hi frequencies more than lows, but it&=
#39;s not as extreme as the regular earplugs.=A0 <br><br>I don&#39;t think =
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 By resting them over my ear canals without inserting them, I can reduce db=
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Indaba springs to mind. I haven't given it a deep look, but it purports to
allow you to hook up with musicians online and even lay day tracks through
the web interface:

http://www.indabamusic.com/

-michael

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Dean, Hal <HDean@wcupa.edu> wrote:

>  Hi everyone, a post from someone who mostly lurks but chimes in on rare
> occasions.  I use Mobius in Bidule as well as an echoplex, and am finally
> getting serious about getting some music out to the world. I=92m writing =
for a
> group to include some less common reeds =96 bass clarinet, oboe, bassoon.
>
>
>
> Here is my question =96 what resources are available for finding people
> online to overdub parts via an exchange of files over the web? I know the=
re
> are such resources but I wasn=92t having much luck finding them today.  A=
bsent
> some better-informed suggestions, I could just start posting to Harmony
> Central and various other large-scale musical forums, but I can=92t help =
but
> think there are better tools out there. Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Of course I am looking locally for real live musicians for this project,
> but folks who improvise on these instruments are not growing on trees. I=
=92ve
> reached out to Dave Newhouse of The Muffins , Carrie Shull, and Dana Jess=
en
>  over the last few days. Dave would fit the bill and I hope to hear from =
him
> when he returns from the RIO Festival in France, for which they just left
> yesterday.
>
>
>
> Any help would be deeply appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thrive,
>
> *Hal Dean*
>
>
>



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Indaba springs to mind. I haven&#39;t given it a deep look, but it purports=
 to allow you to hook up with musicians online and even lay day tracks thro=
ugh the web interface:<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.indabamusic.com/">http:=
//www.indabamusic.com/</a><br>
<br>-michael<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:03=
 AM, Dean, Hal <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:HDean@wcupa.edu">HDe=
an@wcupa.edu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
 padding-left: 1ex;">









<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US">

<div>

<p>Hi everyone, a post from someone who mostly lurks but chimes
in on rare occasions.=A0 I use Mobius in Bidule as well as an echoplex, and
am finally getting serious about getting some music out to the world. I=92m
writing for a group to include some less common reeds =96 bass clarinet,
oboe, bassoon.</p>

<p>=A0</p>

<p>Here is my question =96 what resources are available for
finding people online to overdub parts via an exchange of files over the we=
b? I
know there are such resources but I wasn=92t having much luck finding them
today.=A0 Absent some better-informed suggestions, I could just start posti=
ng
to Harmony Central and various other large-scale musical forums, but I can=
=92t
help but think there are better tools out there. Any ideas?</p>

<p>=A0</p>

<p>Of course I am looking locally for real live musicians for
this project, but folks who improvise on these instruments are not growing =
on trees.
I=92ve reached out to Dave Newhouse of The Muffins , Carrie Shull, and Dana
Jessen =A0over the last few days. Dave would fit the bill and I hope to hea=
r
from him when he returns from the RIO Festival in France, for which they ju=
st
left yesterday.</p>

<p>=A0</p>

<p>Any help would be deeply appreciated.</p>

<p>=A0</p>

<p>Thrive,</p>

<p><i><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Palatino Linotype&quot;,&quot;serif=
&quot;;">Hal
Dean</span></i><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Palatino Linotype&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;;"></span></p>

<p>=A0</p>

</div>

</div>


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This page on Wired also has a list of online resources that might be
helpful.

http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/17-07/pl_music


-michael

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Dean, Hal <HDean@wcupa.edu> wrote:

>  Hi everyone, a post from someone who mostly lurks but chimes in on rare
> occasions.  I use Mobius in Bidule as well as an echoplex, and am finally
> getting serious about getting some music out to the world. I=92m writing =
for a
> group to include some less common reeds =96 bass clarinet, oboe, bassoon.
>
>
>
> Here is my question =96 what resources are available for finding people
> online to overdub parts via an exchange of files over the web? I know the=
re
> are such resources but I wasn=92t having much luck finding them today.  A=
bsent
> some better-informed suggestions, I could just start posting to Harmony
> Central and various other large-scale musical forums, but I can=92t help =
but
> think there are better tools out there. Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Of course I am looking locally for real live musicians for this project,
> but folks who improvise on these instruments are not growing on trees. I=
=92ve
> reached out to Dave Newhouse of The Muffins , Carrie Shull, and Dana Jess=
en
>  over the last few days. Dave would fit the bill and I hope to hear from =
him
> when he returns from the RIO Festival in France, for which they just left
> yesterday.
>
>
>
> Any help would be deeply appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thrive,
>
> *Hal Dean*
>
>
>



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This page on Wired also has a list of online resources that might be helpfu=
l.<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/17-0=
7/pl_music">http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/17-07/pl_musi=
c</a><br>
<br><br>-michael<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at =
2:03 AM, Dean, Hal <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:HDean@wcupa.edu"=
>HDean@wcupa.edu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.=
8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">









<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US">

<div>

<p>Hi everyone, a post from someone who mostly lurks but chimes
in on rare occasions.=A0 I use Mobius in Bidule as well as an echoplex, and
am finally getting serious about getting some music out to the world. I=92m
writing for a group to include some less common reeds =96 bass clarinet,
oboe, bassoon.</p>

<p>=A0</p>

<p>Here is my question =96 what resources are available for
finding people online to overdub parts via an exchange of files over the we=
b? I
know there are such resources but I wasn=92t having much luck finding them
today.=A0 Absent some better-informed suggestions, I could just start posti=
ng
to Harmony Central and various other large-scale musical forums, but I can=
=92t
help but think there are better tools out there. Any ideas?</p>

<p>=A0</p>

<p>Of course I am looking locally for real live musicians for
this project, but folks who improvise on these instruments are not growing =
on trees.
I=92ve reached out to Dave Newhouse of The Muffins , Carrie Shull, and Dana
Jessen =A0over the last few days. Dave would fit the bill and I hope to hea=
r
from him when he returns from the RIO Festival in France, for which they ju=
st
left yesterday.</p>

<p>=A0</p>

<p>Any help would be deeply appreciated.</p>

<p>=A0</p>

<p>Thrive,</p>

<p><i><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Palatino Linotype&quot;,&quot;serif=
&quot;;">Hal
Dean</span></i><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Palatino Linotype&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;;"></span></p>

<p>=A0</p>

</div>

</div>


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Ah... Yes that would be right..
But I guess you can't stop a loop and start it again while in a delay mode?
I was very tempted by the dd20 regardless=2C nice pedal ...=20
Basically what I'm after is the level of functionality of=2C say=2C an RC20=
xl (with stop start=20
capabilities=2C undo=2C and maybe quantize) but with the ability to select =
the bpm.=20
I'm looking into software loopers as well but I am still too scared of that=
 much=20
live audio processing on the fly!
Alicia.=20

Any of the delay modes on the DD20 can be used as a looper when you
adjust the feedback.  All you have to do (with the delay select OFF)
is set the feedback to 100%=2C set your tempo=2C press the delay on when
you're ready to record into it and then press the delay off when
you're done.  Press on again if you want to add more.  The delay on
the DD20 continues to play when its 'off' making the off button more
of an open delay/close delay option.
=20
Kevin
=20
(who is warming to the DD20 as a looper more and more every time I play)
=20
On Thu=2C Sep 17=2C 2009 at 2:51 PM=2C Alicia <leashmiller@hotmail.com> wro=
te:
> Hi all=2C
> Just a quick question. I'm looking for a looper that has a selectable bpm=
=2C
> rather than a tap tempo or midi sync. I've found (please correct me if I'=
m
> wrong) that the dd-20 and the timebender=2C which looked like they would =
do
> the job=2C actually only have a selectable bpm for there delays and not t=
he
> looper (sigh). Anyone know of one that exists (that isn't $1000)??
> Thanks!
> Alicia
>
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Ah... Yes that would be right..<br>But I guess you can't stop a loop and st=
art it again while in a delay mode?<br>I was very tempted by the dd20 regar=
dless=2C nice pedal ... <br>Basically what I'm after is the level of functi=
onality of=2C say=2C an RC20xl (with stop start <br>capabilities=2C undo=2C=
 and maybe quantize) but with the ability to select the bpm. <br>I'm lookin=
g into software loopers as well but I am still too scared of that much <br>=
live audio processing on the fly!<br>Alicia. <br><br><pre>Any of the delay =
modes on the DD20 can be used as a looper when you<br>adjust the feedback. =
 All you have to do (with the delay select OFF)<br>is set the feedback to 1=
00%=2C set your tempo=2C press the delay on when<br>you're ready to record =
into it and then press the delay off when<br>you're done.  Press on again i=
f you want to add more.  The delay on<br>the DD20 continues to play when it=
s 'off' making the off button more<br>of an open delay/close delay option.<=
br> <br>Kevin<br> <br>(who is warming to the DD20 as a looper more and more=
 every time I play)<br> <br>On Thu=2C Sep 17=2C 2009 at 2:51 PM=2C Alicia &=
lt=3Bleashmiller@hotmail.com&gt=3B wrote:<br>&gt=3B Hi all=2C<br>&gt=3B Jus=
t a quick question. I'm looking for a looper that has a selectable bpm=2C<b=
r>&gt=3B rather than a tap tempo or midi sync. I've found (please correct m=
e if I'm<br>&gt=3B wrong) that the dd-20 and the timebender=2C which looked=
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If you can deal with a software solution, flyloops can shift bpm (by 
beat splicing or by freq shifting) .... both ways are quantizable so, 
for example, you can shift to a triplets based beat that is several 
times faster than the original, and then pitch/freq shift it up an octave .

www.flyloops.com

stable mac and pc versions available.


alicia miller wrote:
> Ah... Yes that would be right..
> But I guess you can't stop a loop and start it again while in a delay 
> mode?
> I was very tempted by the dd20 regardless, nice pedal ...
> Basically what I'm after is the level of functionality of, say, an 
> RC20xl (with stop start
> capabilities, undo, and maybe quantize) but with the ability to select 
> the bpm.
> I'm looking into software loopers as well but I am still too scared of 
> that much
> live audio processing on the fly!
> Alicia.
>
> Any of the delay modes on the DD20 can be used as a looper when you
> adjust the feedback.  All you have to do (with the delay select OFF)
> is set the feedback to 100%, set your tempo, press the delay on when
> you're ready to record into it and then press the delay off when
> you're done.  Press on again if you want to add more.  The delay on
> the DD20 continues to play when its 'off' making the off button more
> of an open delay/close delay option.
>  
> Kevin
>  
> (who is warming to the DD20 as a looper more and more every time I play)
>  
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Alicia <leashmiller@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > Just a quick question. I'm looking for a looper that has a selectable bpm,
> > rather than a tap tempo or midi sync. I've found (please correct me if I'm
> > wrong) that the dd-20 and the timebender, which looked like they would do
> > the job, actually only have a selectable bpm for there delays and not the
> > looper (sigh). Anyone know of one that exists (that isn't $1000)??
> > Thanks!
> > Alicia
> >
>  
>  
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    i would just trust my ears on how the bass sounds, because it will actu=
ally depend on what techniques you plan to use--  pop/slap and tap are grea=
tly affected by the slackness or tautness of the strings, pizzicato et al n=
ot so much.  when you do find a tuning that is agreeable for you though, yo=
u should think about resetting your intonation if you are going to stay in =
that tuning for an extended period.  the bassist on the scene who is the mo=
st inventive with tunings is michael manring.  here is a link to some of th=
e tunings he uses, but be aware he has basses built to accomodate a large r=
ange of tunings, sometimes within one song!!!

http://www.manthing.com/tunings.htm

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, topu lyo <topulyo@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: topu lyo <topulyo@gmail.com>
> Subject: a bit off topic:  earplugs , and bass tunings
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 5:12 PM
> dear loopers
>=20
> i love reading the posts and thx for all the
> amazing advice i've gotten so far.
>=20
> this is a bit off topic but does anyone have
> suggestions for good earplugs that don't kill
> the lows or highs.
>=20
> i've gotten personal earplugs where they take
> a mold of your ear etc but the plugs seemed to
> definitely effect frequency hearing.=A0 anyone have
> a pair they recommend.
>=20
> also does anyone have any recommendations
> on tuning a bass in 5ths?=A0 i am a cellist and
> thinking
> of tuning the e down to a c but don't want it to
> send too flabby.
>=20
> any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!!
>=20
>=20
> =0A=0A=0A      

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same for Roland SP555: 4 bars at a given BPM.

Ben.


  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:47 AM
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  Kaoss PAD KP3 let's you set PBM and the you can record 4 bars( i =
think) at that BPM....
  =20
  > From: leashmiller@hotmail.com
  > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
  > Subject: Looper with selectable bpm?=20
  > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:51:05 +1000
  >=20
  > Hi all,
  > Just a quick question. I'm looking for a looper that has a =
selectable=20
  > bpm, rather than a tap tempo or midi sync. I've found (please =
correct=20
  > me if I'm wrong) that the dd-20 and the timebender, which looked =
like=20
  > they would do the job, actually only have a selectable bpm for there =

  > delays and not the looper (sigh). Anyone know of one that exists =
(that=20
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  > Thanks!
  > Alicia=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>same for Roland SP555: 4 bars at a given =
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJcw4-eFT9c
Yeah, I 've just discovered the new Wavedrum on the korg page yesterday. Really seems fantastic and could save the trouble micing percussion for livelooping (good-bye feedback! :)

I hope you can turn off those extraterrestrial sound fx. Would be happy enough with some nice traditional djembe, darbouka, frame drum etc. simulation.

Every looper into percussive sounds should really take a look at this. And yeah, Rick, you should really start saving!! :-)

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Hi Mainstage users

I was wondering how you setup and user Mainstage patches effectively.
It's easy if you switch between single instruments. But I like to combine i.e. vocal fx chain with synth/guitar patches.
Of course I could create a patch combination for all, i.e. 5xvocal/12xsynth, but I don't think having 60 patches is realistic.
So I was thinking of creating i.e. 12 synth patches and including the vocal chain options into all the patches with intelligent routing/switches.

What do you think? Is there a better way to do this?
What should I keep in mind to optimize performance (cpu/memory)?

Would be happy to hear your experience in this field.

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Hi Buzap,


On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> I was wondering how you setup and user Mainstage patches effectively.

Each mainstage patch exists of 1 synth patch with it's own insert
effects. I use a concert level audio input for my Nord Wave; this way,
the Nord is always available as a sound source. Next: each of my
pre-looper effects like Augustus is an insert effect on an AUX channel
strip, also on concert level. So my routing looks as follows:

Chain 1) Mainstage patches => Soft synths (aux) => delay 1 (aux) =>
delay 2 (aux) => delay 3 (aux) => reverb => output 1-2
Chain 2) Nord Wave => => delay 1 (aux) => delay 2 (aux) => delay 3
(aux) => reverb =>output 1-2
Chain 3) main Looper, 100% wet => output 1-2

Important: delay 3 is using a "Send" to feed the main looper (eg Mobius or LP1)

Advantages of AUX channels on concert levels:
- Effects won't be killed when you switch patches, they are always their
- You can control pan each aux effect; this avoids a muddy mix with
everything centered
- Maintenance: you can easily change the order of your pre-loopers.
Also, you don't have to re-map your controllers when you change the
routing of the effects

> What should I keep in mind to optimize performance (cpu/memory)?

Using multiple external audio input channels can consume a lot of CPU,
as well plugins like Delay Designer  and Space Designer. Add the CPU
usage control to your layout so you get an idea of the average.
Depending on the maximum latency you prefer, you can always increase
the buffer size of your audio card, because that will decrease CPU
usage.

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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJcw4-eFT9c
> Yeah, I 've just discovered the new Wavedrum on the korg page yesterday.
> Really seems fantastic and could save the trouble micing percussion for
> livelooping (good-bye feedback! :)
>


It seems less expensive than the Handsonic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDvSXmSHKKE
...but is it better?
(most concerned with expressiveness of the user interface, slides, damping,
beam and ribbon ctrls etc)

(Related:)
Does anyone know if there is any MIDI percussion controller on the market
that provides as good dynamic control as these two "boxed" instruments? It
would be cool to use with software based patch libraries.

Greetings from Sweden

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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Buzap Buzap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
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x solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div id=3D":50" class=3D"ii gt">&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watc=
h?v=3DiJcw4-eFT9c" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DiJcw4=
-eFT9c</a><br>
Yeah, I &#39;ve just discovered the new Wavedrum on the korg page yesterday=
. Really seems fantastic and could save the trouble micing percussion for l=
ivelooping (good-bye feedback! :)</div></blockquote></div><br><br>It seems =
less expensive than the Handsonic <br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYDvSXmSHKKE">http://www.youtube=
.com/watch?v=3DYDvSXmSHKKE</a><br>...but is it better? <br>(most concerned =
with expressiveness of the user interface, slides, damping, beam and ribbon=
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<br>(Related:)<br>Does anyone know if there is any MIDI percussion controll=
er on the market that provides as good dynamic control as these two &quot;b=
oxed&quot; instruments? It would be cool to use with software based patch l=
ibraries. <br>
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"ht=
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Hi Sjaak

interesting, I will try working with channels on concert level, this should keep maintenance easier, indeed. Now, I assume with Aux channels you mean BUS - or is there a different thing?

>this avoids a muddy mix with everything centered
Yes, this was actually the real problem why Mobius sounded mono to me ;-)

> > What should I keep in mind to optimize performance (cpu/memory)?
I was wondering if cpu/memory consumption counts only for the active patch or for all patches in the current concert. Can I save cpu/memory by splitting stuff into several patches instead of one?

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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> (Related:)
> Does anyone know if there is any MIDI percussion controller on the market
> that provides as good dynamic control as these two "boxed" instruments? It
> would be cool to use with software based patch libraries.

Hi Per,
Alesis used to have one but it the reviews where not good I think,
have not tested it myself. Roland has the SPD-serie which you can play
with drum sticks, playing it with your hands is more difficult. I use
a Handsonic. You can use it as a controller and as an instrument on
it's own. Very good dynamic control plus a D-Beam...really cool. Btw:
Keep in mind you can't use drums sticks with the Handsonics.
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Subject: Re: OT: Mainstage patches - setup & manage effectively?
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> interesting, I will try working with channels on concert level, this should keep maintenance easier, indeed. Now, I assume with Aux channels you mean BUS - or is there a different thing?

It's not the same but you use them together when setting up concert
level effects. The aux channel holds the effects, the bus is the
connection between a instrument output and the aux channel. Here's
what the manual says, that makes it perhaps a bit more clear ;-)

***
Adding Concert-Wide Effects - You can add concert-wide effects such as
reverb and delay using auxiliary (aux) channels. When you choose a bus
from the Send slot on a channel strip, a corresponding aux appears at
the concert level. You can insert effects on the aux and have those
effects apply to every channel strip sending its signal to the aux.
***
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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> I assume with Aux channels you mean BUS - or is there a different thing?
>

With regard to streaming in a music setup I suggest looking at them as the
same thing. From a linguistic point of view they may differ though; you BUS
stuff together but the channel you use for dong that is A=C3=9AXILLARY.


> > What should I keep in mind to optimize performance (cpu/memory)?
I was wondering if cpu/memory consumption counts only for the active patch
or for all patches in the current concert. Can I save cpu/memory by
splitting stuff into several patches instead of one?

No, I would say. Because the more you split sounds into parallel channels
the more the CPU needs to work. I tend to stick with patches that use as fe=
w
channels as possible to lower the CPU load. I even moved Mobius from a bus
to the stereo output when researching CPU optimization, but I wasn't able t=
o
detect less CPU usage when getting rid of bus splits. So I went back to
using a bus (on concert level) for Mobius and (right now, I always change
setups) a second bus for a TApe Delay plug-in that I work in real-time for
dubby stuff.

Generally I put all reverbs, delays and other effects on the input channels
strip. This gives the option to use completely different effect setups in
each patch. Except for the Tape Delay on the bus, that I actually use very
little, I never put any effects on the looper outputs. All effects that the
audience hear and experience as "big and wide sounding" are actually
recorded into the loops. This gives the option to do glitchy stuff when
slicing and dicing, and I never have the time anyway during a gig to kind o=
f
"mix the sound" so I do that in the playing as I record the loops.

I'm just telling this about my general concept because it helps to keep the
CPU down quite well.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Buzap Buzap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:buzap@gmx.net">buzap@gmx.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1p=
x solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div id=3D":ul" class=3D"ii gt">I assume with Aux channels you mean BUS - o=
r is there a different thing?<br></div></blockquote><div id=3D":ul" class=
=3D"ii gt"><br>With regard to streaming in a music setup I suggest looking =
at them as the same thing. From a linguistic point of view they may differ =
though; you BUS stuff together but the channel you use for dong that is A=
=C3=9AXILLARY. <br>
<br><br>&gt; &gt; What should I keep in mind to optimize performance (cpu/m=
emory)?<br>
I was wondering if cpu/memory consumption counts only for the active patch =
or for all patches in the current concert. Can I save cpu/memory by splitti=
ng stuff into several patches instead of one?</div></div><br>No, I would sa=
y. Because the more you split sounds into parallel channels the more the CP=
U needs to work. I tend to stick with patches that use as few channels as p=
ossible to lower the CPU load. I even moved Mobius from a bus to the stereo=
 output when researching CPU optimization, but I wasn&#39;t able to detect =
less CPU usage when getting rid of bus splits. So I went back to using a bu=
s (on concert level) for Mobius and (right now, I always change setups) a s=
econd bus for a TApe Delay plug-in that I work in real-time for dubby stuff=
. <br>
<br>Generally I put all reverbs, delays and other effects on the input chan=
nels strip. This gives the option to use completely different effect setups=
 in each patch. Except for the Tape Delay on the bus, that I actually use v=
ery little, I never put any effects on the looper outputs. All effects that=
 the audience hear and experience as &quot;big and wide sounding&quot; are =
actually recorded into the loops. This gives the option to do glitchy stuff=
 when slicing and dicing, and I never have the time anyway during a gig to =
kind of &quot;mix the sound&quot; so I do that in the playing as I record t=
he loops. <br>
<br>I&#39;m just telling this about my general concept because it helps to =
keep the CPU down quite well. <br><br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<b=
r><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboysen.com</a><br>

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Or EDP... press undo when stopped, dial in bpm with the feedback button, and
press record.. loop will record for a multiple of the bpm.. IE you press rec
once more to end recording, and recording carries on till you are at a
sensible multiple of the bpm

mark

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Ruelle Benoit <benoitruelle@yahoo.fr>wrote:

>  same for Roland SP555: 4 bars at a given BPM.
>
> Ben.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>  *From:* Anders Bergdahl <anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com>
> *To:* Loopers Delight <loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2009 12:47 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Looper with selectable bpm?
>
> Kaoss PAD KP3 let's you set PBM and the you can record 4 bars( i think) at
> that BPM....
>
> > From: leashmiller@hotmail.com
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Looper with selectable bpm?
> > Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:51:05 +1000
> >
> > Hi all,
> > Just a quick question. I'm looking for a looper that has a selectable
> > bpm, rather than a tap tempo or midi sync. I've found (please correct
> > me if I'm wrong) that the dd-20 and the timebender, which looked like
> > they would do the job, actually only have a selectable bpm for there
> > delays and not the looper (sigh). Anyone know of one that exists (that
> > isn't $1000)??
> > Thanks!
> > Alicia
> >
>
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Or EDP... press undo when stopped, dial in bpm with the feedback button, an=
d press record.. loop will record for a multiple of the bpm.. IE you press =
rec once more to end recording, and recording carries on till you are at a =
sensible multiple of the bpm<br>

<br>mark<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:29 AM,=
 Ruelle Benoit <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.f=
r">benoitruelle@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
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t 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">







<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font face=3D"Arial">same for Roland SP555: 4 bars at a given BPM.</fo=
nt></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">Ben.</font></div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5=
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<div>=A0</div>
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  <div><br></div>Kaoss PAD KP3 let&#39;s you set PBM and the you can record=
 4 bars(=20
  i think) at that BPM....<br>=A0<br>&gt; From: <a href=3D"mailto:leashmill=
er@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">leashmiller@hotmail.com</a><br>&gt; To:=
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he dd-20 and=20
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Well - you shouldn't use dumsticks on the handsonic - will really mess
up the pads - but, I sometimes use mallets!  Been doing that for
awhile and never seemed to hurt it one bit.  It's nice to have that
drumstick ability sometimes and the mallets work great.


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Just wanna say thanks to Andy B.  and anyone else who chimed in on the
resistor thing.  I ended up using 1/4 Watt and it turned out great!  I
know some people (EDPers) are into those little plastic buttons and
it's gonna take me awhile to get used to the larger metal ones - but,
now it feels like my FC-7 is built like a tank and I can't remember
the last time it ran so smooth! (it's gonna be a nice loopy weekend!)

For anyone who's interested - I got the big shiny buttons from British
Audio and ordered the resistors over the phone w/ Digi-Key -   They
were esp helpful and insightful - esp for someone who doesn't know
their way around resistors very well...;)

Andy G.

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Glad you're sorted.  As an EDP-er, I personally would also be glad to see t=
he back of those horrid little cheap plastic buttons, and may decide to spl=
ash out on some new shiny metal ones, like yourself.  Or is it time to make=
 the jump to MIDI control?=0A=0AStephen=0Awww.myspace.com/sylvianfisher=0A=
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Yes=2C it's the feedback issue that got me on to the Wavedrum in the first =
place. It's far and away the most expressive electronic drum I've ever used=
. I didn't like the Handsonic - it feels like a block of rubber to me where=
as this is a real=2C expressive instrument in its own right.=20
I'm so glad Korg have revisited the Wavedrum and it's quite affordable too=
=2C (=A3399 in the UK). I don't need another but I'll be having a go when t=
hey're in the shops - just out of curiosity.
Per=2C you might find the Manadala drum interesting:
 http://synesthesiacorp.com/  =20
The software that the mandala uses is free to download..

peace

Gareth


On Fri=2C Sep 18=2C 2009 at 8:39 AM=2C Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DiJcw4-eFT9c

Yeah=2C I 've just discovered the new Wavedrum on the korg page yesterday. =
Really seems fantastic and could save the trouble micing percussion for liv=
elooping (good-bye feedback! :)

It seems less expensive than the Handsonic=20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYDvSXmSHKKE
...but is it better?=20
(most concerned with expressiveness of the user interface=2C slides=2C damp=
ing=2C beam and ribbon ctrls etc)


(Related:)
Does anyone know if there is any MIDI percussion controller on the market t=
hat provides as good dynamic control as these two "boxed" instruments? It w=
ould be cool to use with software based patch libraries.=20

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen=20
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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<br><br>Yes=2C it's the feedback issue that got me on to the Wavedrum in th=
e first place. It's far and away the most expressive electronic drum I've e=
ver used. I didn't like the Handsonic - it feels like a block of rubber to =
me whereas this is a real=2C expressive instrument in its own right. <br>I'=
m so glad Korg have revisited the Wavedrum and it's quite affordable too=2C=
 (=A3399 in the UK). I don't need another but I'll be having a go when they=
're in the shops - just out of curiosity.<br>Per=2C you might find the Mana=
dala drum interesting:<br>&nbsp=3Bhttp://synesthesiacorp.com/&nbsp=3B&nbsp=
=3B <br>The software that the mandala uses is free to download..<br><br>pea=
ce<br><br>Gareth<br><br><br>On Fri=2C Sep 18=2C 2009 at 8:39 AM=2C Buzap Bu=
zap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:buzap@gmx.net">buzap@gmx.net<=
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<div id=3D"EC_:50" class=3D"EC_ii EC_gt">&gt=3B <a href=3D"http://www.youtu=
be.com/watch?v=3DiJcw4-eFT9c">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DiJcw4-eFT9c<=
/a><br>
Yeah=2C I 've just discovered the new Wavedrum on the korg page yesterday. =
Really seems fantastic and could save the trouble micing percussion for liv=
elooping (good-bye feedback! :)</div></blockquote></div><br><br>It seems le=
ss expensive than the Handsonic <br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYDvSXmSHKKE">http://www.youtube=
.com/watch?v=3DYDvSXmSHKKE</a><br>...but is it better? <br>(most concerned =
with expressiveness of the user interface=2C slides=2C damping=2C beam and =
ribbon ctrls etc)<br>
<br>(Related:)<br>Does anyone know if there is any MIDI percussion controll=
er on the market that provides as good dynamic control as these two "boxed"=
 instruments? It would be cool to use with software based patch libraries. =
<br>
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.co=
m">www.perboysen.com</a><br><br /><hr />View your other email accounts from=
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I own a couple of DK10's (from Alternate Mode, formerly KAT =20
Electronics), which I really like. But, I've never used the others, so =20
I can't compare them.

-cpr
Quoting Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:

> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DiJcw4-eFT9c
>> Yeah, I 've just discovered the new Wavedrum on the korg page yesterday.
>> Really seems fantastic and could save the trouble micing percussion for
>> livelooping (good-bye feedback! :)
>>
>
>
> It seems less expensive than the Handsonic
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYDvSXmSHKKE
> ...but is it better?
> (most concerned with expressiveness of the user interface, slides, damping=
,
> beam and ribbon ctrls etc)
>
> (Related:)
> Does anyone know if there is any MIDI percussion controller on the market
> that provides as good dynamic control as these two "boxed" instruments? It
> would be cool to use with software based patch libraries.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
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http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/090917.html

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
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                Show #650                September 17, 2009.

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Ulrich Schnauss.  The
Featured CD at Midnight was from A Strangely Isolated Place on Domino
Records.

Ulrich Schnauss:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/focus.html#sep


PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
VA [Lawrence         Quiet Planigate      2|favourite, places
  English                                   (Audiobulb)
Deborah Martin and   Between Worlds       Between Worlds (Spotted
  Erik Wollo                                Paccary)
Deborah Martin and   Spirit Song          Between Worlds (Spotted
  Erik Wollo                                Paccary)
Julio Di Benedetto   Forest, River, Sky   Living at a Higher Frequency
                                            (Digital Voices)
Robert Fripp and     Meissa               The Equatorial Stars (Inner
  Brian Eno                                 Knot)
Steve Roach          Destination Beyond * Destination Beyond (Projekt)
Ulrich Schnauss      Gone Forever         A Strangely Isolated Place
                                            (Domino)

12:00 am
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Ulrich Schnauss      On My Own            A Strangely Isolated Place
                                            (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      A Letter From Home   A Strangely Isolated Place
                                            (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Monday - Paracetamol A Strangely Isolated Place
                                            (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Clear Day            A Strangely Isolated Place
                                            (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Blumenthal           A Strangely Isolated Place
                                            (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      In All the Wrong     A Strangely Isolated Place
                       Places               (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      A Strangely          A Strangely Isolated Place
                       Isolated Place       (Domino)

1:00 am

 * = excerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist
-- = Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on
Ulrich Schnauss.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be Goodbye on Domino
Records.

Bill
=======================================================================
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OK, this is slowly starting to freak me out....

After wrongly accusing Mobius of playing mono, I realized it was Mainstage routing. Just when I thought it's over, I'm back there again... Aaargh...

Let me tell step-by-step what I did:
- Setup patch with SW instrument in Mainstage
- Setup bus/aux (whatever) on concert level with Mobius as Insert
- Send to bus from instrument patch

So, up to now, everything worked fine. It all sounded stereo in Mobius.

Then, I've put in a vocal channel (mono mic from my Mackie Firewire interface) on concert level.
Now, all of a sudden, everything is MONO - Even after I've deleted the vocal channel, Mobius plays back mono only!

I hope you can help me out of this muddy mono feeling... 

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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> Then, I've put in a vocal channel (mono mic from my Mackie Firewire
> interface) on concert level.
>

Some stage must be missing in your description because as far as I know it
shouldn't be possible to open an audio input at concert level.


Now, all of a sudden, everything is MONO - Even after I've deleted the vocal
> channel, Mobius plays back mono only!
>
> I hope you can help me out of this muddy mono feeling...
>

Have you checked that you are not by mistake sending the signal through a
mono channel? Look at the channel strip, just under the fader: a zero icon
means "mono", a horizontal "8" means "stereo".

Greetings from Sweden

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t concert level.=C2=A0</div>
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> Some stage must be missing in your description because as far as I know it
> shouldn't be possible to open an audio input at concert level.
Well, it actually is. In fact, that's what Sjaak recommended me ;-) 

> Have you checked that you are not by mistake sending the signal through a
> mono channel? 
Well, the vocal channel _is_ mono. (I can't switch my SM58 to X/Y ;-)
However, the aux send is "post fader", so it should reflect panning. And the Bus/Aux channel with the Mobius Insert plugin is stereo. 

Any more ideas/solutions?

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OK, guys meanwhile, I've narrowed the problem down a bit further:

So, the main problem seems to be: 
Post-fader sending a signal to a bus/aux channel doesn't seem to grab the panning. I.e. when I use Ultrabeat, if I pan a sound _within_ UB, it works. However, when I use the ordinary channel panning, the sound will appear in the middle. (btw, we're talking stereo-only channels here).
On the other hand, when I don't use "Send" but directly route to "Bus1" instead of "Output1+2", then it works fine. But this is quite counterintuitive to what I have in mind (would also require Mobius to monitor input signal - well actually, all signals).

So, is there a way to use the channel sends with panning - and avoid hard-wiring the instrument and the bus?

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> on usTream.tv at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions.

No Jim, I'm damn well not ;). What you find on the page is the clip
from two week ago - the MoinSound Studio Session Jubilee session.

Speaking of which: got my melodica repaired - so tune in tomorrow for
yet another edition of the MoinSound Studio Sessions at 1600 UTC on
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions

As a quick note, note that I have moved back to ustream to avoid any confusion.

           Rainer

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Whoops fooled me, was just trying to promote a bit oh well.  Catch you
tomorrow. Sorry list my goof.

Though while I've got the stage, this Sunday at 11 Sunday Morning at
11 returns 11am est.  I am pleased to annouce that Chinapainting will
be the guest.  Daryl and I will be casting live from Brooklyn and as
special guest with us via NinJam, another friend and collab,
saxophonist frettless guitarist and some other instruments, from
Sweden Peter Thorn.

The url is www.ustream.tv/channel/sunday-morning-at-11.  For time
conversion www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/.

And as many now know Virtual Sound and Vision on Oct 3rd.

Cheers.  Jim.

On 9/18/09, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> on usTream.tv at
>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions.
>
> No Jim, I'm damn well not ;). What you find on the page is the clip
> from two week ago - the MoinSound Studio Session Jubilee session.
>
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> yet another edition of the MoinSound Studio Sessions at 1600 UTC on
> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions
>
> As a quick note, note that I have moved back to ustream to avoid any
> confusion.
>
>            Rainer
>
>

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I don't know if you guys, Sjaak, Per, are keeping up with my mailings here ;-)

But another update:
I realized that - unlike Logic - there is no Post-Fader/Post-Pan Send in Mainstage, as far as I can see. This really sucks. So, I've been able to achieve what I had in mind - only with 4-5 channels instead of 1-2.

So, originally, the idea was:
Instrument channel (Patch) -> Volume/Pan -> Send to Bus1 (Post-Fader/Post-Pan)-> Output 1+2  
Bus1 -> Insert Mobius -> Output 1+2

Now I've realized it like this:
Instrument channel (Patch) -> Bus1 (no send, direct routing)
Bus1 -> Audio channel 1
Audio channel 1 (Concert, not patch!) -> Volume/Pan -> Bus2
Bus2 -> Audio channel 2
Audio channel 2 (Concert) -> Send to Bus3 -> Output 1+2
Bus3 -> Insert Mobius -> Output 1+2

Crazy, right?
But it has the advantage, that I can control the instrument volume/pan on concert level. So I don't have to assign midi controllers to every patch, just the concert.

Interestingly enough, pure routing didn't have much influence on CPU.

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anybody here using this? lovely idea, but if you right-click on any of the
tracks in a player, you can download them. is it possible to turn off this
feature? there's no contact email addy on the site, so i can't speak to the
developers. i'd love to use the site, but i don't want my mp3's to be
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anybody here using this? lovely idea, but if you right-click on any of the =
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THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH:                      http://soundscapes.us/amfm
=======================================================================
My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, September 19 at 6 am
(EDT/GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00) in less than two hours from now.  I will
continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler
CDs in Phase 1.

I alternate hosting the show. When I am at the helm, the show features
electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix
of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock.

Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at
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> Post-fader sending a signal to a bus/aux channel doesn't seem to grab the=
 panning. I.e. when I use Ultrabeat, if I pan a sound _within_ UB, it works=
. However, when I use the ordinary channel panning, the sound will appear i=
n the middle. (btw, we're talking stereo-only channels here).

I didn't know this and haven't tested it yet but most entry level
analog mixers work like this, including Mackies ;)

> But it has the advantage, that I can control the instrument volume/pan on=
 concert level. So I don't have to assign midi controllers to every patch, =
just the concert.
> Interestingly enough, pure routing didn't have much influence on CPU.

I use aux channels and not sends. It is much more flexible because you
can change your routing in a few seconds.I haven't seen any negative
influence on CPU when using extra aux channels so it doesn't hurt and
gives me all the flexibility I need on concert level. Saves a lot of
mainatenance too. Good to hear you solved your problem! :)
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On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> Crazy, right?
>

Not "crazy" if it works for you. Happy to hear you finally came up with a
patching that brings what you were looking for!



> But it has the advantage, that I can control the instrument volume/pan on
> concert level. So I don't have to assign midi controllers to every patch,
> just the concert.
>

Oh, I never realized that to be part of the issue. Over here I assign
everything to every patch - although often with some  variations. But I
usually do it only once. The trick for that is to not build a new patch from
scratch but to start out by copying and pasting the previous patch; because
then you are copying all the control bindings as well. Then you only have to
adjust in the new patch the control bindings you may want to work
differently.

Another tip - not directly related but maybe of general interest - is to not
use the channel strip faders for external volume control. They might come in
handy for quick "gain adjustment" of the mix during a gig. I rather prefer
the Gain plug-in to control audio level in my patches. The reason is that I
can place the GAin plug-in at any spot in an effect chain (for example, with
mic input patches I like it first before delays, reverbs and stuff) and also
because I can choose either to assign a CC# (expression pedal or physical
fader/knob) or to an on/off type of event to bypass the Gain plug-in. You
know: bypassing a GAin plug-in set to zero DB works like a mute control.
Bottom line: by using the Gain plug-in as a general part of all my patches I
get access to a lot of dynamic control options.

For electric guitar patches I may not use a GAin plug-in in the first slot
though, because there is no acoustic feedback issue with an electric guitar
and I am also used to turn down the instrument's volume knob between notes I
play. And you also are likely to prefer an electric guitar volume control
more like a volume pedal that is musically playable for creating violin like
swelling notes and this means the volume has to sit after all distortion
units but before delay and reverb type effects. Since Mainstage 2 I have
become fond of using the wha pedal set to "volume functionality" inside the
Pedalboard plug-in. If AmpDesigner distortion is heavily driven in the patch
I may simply use both the pre amp and power amp knobs of the AmpDesigner as
the target for a pedal/knob screen control object played by a physical
expression pedal.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Buzap Buzap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:buzap@gmx.net">buzap@gmx.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div id=3D":4w" class=3D"ii gt">Crazy, right?<br></div></blockquote><div><b=
r></div><div>Not &quot;crazy&quot; if it works for you. Happy to hear you f=
inally came up with a patching that brings what you were looking for!=C2=A0=
</div>
<div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div id=3D"=
:4w" class=3D"ii gt">
But it has the advantage, that I can control the instrument volume/pan on c=
oncert level. So I don&#39;t have to assign midi controllers to every patch=
, just the concert.</div></blockquote></div><br><div>Oh, I never realized t=
hat to be part of the issue. Over here I assign everything to every patch -=
 although often with some =C2=A0variations. But I usually do it only once. =
The trick for that is to not build a new patch from scratch but to start ou=
t by copying and pasting the previous patch; because then you are copying a=
ll the control bindings as well. Then you only have to adjust in the new pa=
tch the control bindings you may want to work differently.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Another tip - not directly related but maybe of general=
 interest - is to not use the channel strip faders for external volume cont=
rol. They might come in handy for quick &quot;gain adjustment&quot; of the =
mix during a gig. I rather prefer the Gain plug-in to control audio level i=
n my patches. The reason is that I can place the GAin plug-in at any spot i=
n an effect chain (for example, with mic input patches I like it first befo=
re delays, reverbs and stuff) and also because I can choose either to assig=
n a CC# (expression pedal or physical fader/knob) or to an on/off type of e=
vent to bypass the Gain plug-in. You know: bypassing a GAin plug-in set to =
zero DB works like a mute control. Bottom line: by using the Gain plug-in a=
s a general part of all my patches I get access to a lot of dynamic control=
 options.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>For electric guitar patches I may not use a GAin plug-i=
n in the first slot though, because there is no acoustic feedback issue wit=
h an electric guitar and I am also used to turn down the instrument&#39;s v=
olume knob between notes I play. And you also are likely to prefer an elect=
ric guitar volume control more like a volume pedal that is musically playab=
le for creating violin like swelling notes and this means the volume has to=
 sit after all distortion units but before delay and reverb type effects. S=
ince Mainstage 2 I have become fond of using the wha pedal set to &quot;vol=
ume functionality&quot; inside the Pedalboard plug-in. If AmpDesigner disto=
rtion is heavily driven in the patch I may simply use both the pre amp and =
power amp knobs of the AmpDesigner as the target for a pedal/knob screen co=
ntrol object played by a physical expression pedal.=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen=
=C2=A0<br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"=
http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboysen.com</a><br></div>

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Hey Sim!
I am the developer of the site and there is a contact e-mail in FAQ, but I
guess I'll have to add a "Contact" link that would be more visible.

The Download Track feature actually does not work yet, so although it is
there what it will really do is stream a tune in a separate window.

On the other hand, a feature to allow people to download tunes will be added
and it will not be optional. In other words, if you are using Disc Shelf, be
prepared to dive into reality of the digital world - files are easily
copied. In fact, Firefox and Opera can easily download any flash content
even without the download option.

However, I ask you to not think much of it. It would be a pity if you would
choose not to use Disc Shelf because your files could be copied, since if it
is the only reason, please consider the fact that any other site you go to
will have the same vulnerability to copying. As a developer, I simply am
aware that there is no way to prevent copying a file in a situation of an
online playback, so instead I chose to make downloading easier. Actually,
that came from many of the requests from both musicians who would like to
deep-link their music and from listeners.

So, to underline the current situation once more, the Download This Track
option does not really work now and easier downloading is not yet
implemented anyway, but non-IE browsers can download the music even without
it easily.

Louigi Verona.

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Simeon Harris <
simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:

> anybody here using this? lovely idea, but if you right-click on any of the
> tracks in a player, you can download them. is it possible to turn off this
> feature? there's no contact email addy on the site, so i can't speak to the
> developers. i'd love to use the site, but i don't want my mp3's to be
> downloaded for free...!
>
> sim
>

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Hey Sim!<br>I am the developer of the site and there is a contact e-mail in=
 FAQ, but I guess I&#39;ll have to add a &quot;Contact&quot; link that woul=
d be more visible.<br><br>The Download Track feature actually does not work=
 yet, so although it is there what it will really do is stream a tune in a =
separate window.<br>
<br>On the other hand, a feature to allow people to download tunes will be =
added and it will not be optional. In other words, if you are using Disc Sh=
elf, be prepared to dive into reality of the digital world - files are easi=
ly copied. In fact, Firefox and Opera can easily download any flash content=
 even without the download option.<br>
<br>However, I ask you to not think much of it. It would be a pity if you w=
ould choose not to use Disc Shelf because your files could be copied, since=
 if it is the only reason, please consider the fact that any other site you=
 go to will have the same vulnerability to copying. As a developer, I simpl=
y am aware that there is no way to prevent copying a file in a situation of=
 an online playback, so instead I chose to make downloading easier. Actuall=
y, that came from many of the requests from both musicians who would like t=
o deep-link their music and from listeners.<br>
<br>So, to underline the current situation once more, the Download This Tra=
ck option does not really work now and easier downloading is not yet implem=
ented anyway, but non-IE browsers can download the music even without it ea=
sily.<br>
<br>Louigi Verona.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 a=
t 12:10 PM, Simeon Harris <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simeonhar=
ris40@googlemail.com">simeonharris40@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">anybody here usin=
g this? lovely idea, but if you right-click on any of the tracks in a playe=
r, you can download them. is it possible to turn off this feature? there&#3=
9;s no contact email addy on the site, so i can&#39;t speak to the develope=
rs. i&#39;d love to use the site, but i don&#39;t want my mp3&#39;s to be d=
ownloaded for free...!<br>

<br>sim<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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hi louigi. thanks for responding. it is a problem that's hard to overcome,
but it would be nice if each artist could have the option to make their
mp3's easily available or not. i think i'll hold off for the moment and look
at some other options.

al the best

sim

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey Sim!
> I am the developer of the site and there is a contact e-mail in FAQ, but I
> guess I'll have to add a "Contact" link that would be more visible.
>
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hi louigi. thanks for responding. it is a problem that&#39;s hard to overco=
me, but it would be nice if each artist could have the option to make their=
 mp3&#39;s easily available or not. i think i&#39;ll hold off for the momen=
t and look at some other options. <br>
<br>al the best<br><br>sim<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 19=
, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Louigi Verona <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l=
ouigi.verona@gmail.com">louigi.verona@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 20=
4, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hey Sim!<br>I am the developer of the site and there is a contact e-mail in=
 FAQ, but I guess I&#39;ll have to add a &quot;Contact&quot; link that woul=
d be more visible.<br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Gareth Whittock
<buddhamachine@live.co.uk>wrote:

> Per, you might find the Manadala drum interesting:
>  http://synesthesiacorp.com/
>


This looks like a very useful instrument! I watched the YouTube Mandala
channel and read the PDF manual. Great MIDI implementation! Smart zone
division of the pad. I like that you can freely route MIDI to use it as a
MIDI controller instrument with whatever sounding electronics your laptop
may be loaded with.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Gareth Whittock <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:buddhamachine@live.co.uk">buddhamachine@live.co.uk</a>&gt;</s=
pan> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>Per, you might find the Manadala drum interesting:<br>=C2=A0<a href=3D=
"http://synesthesiacorp.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://synesthesiacorp.com/=
</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div>=
<div>This looks like a very useful instrument! I watched the YouTube Mandal=
a channel and read the PDF manual. Great MIDI implementation! Smart zone di=
vision of the pad. I like that you can freely route MIDI to use it as a MID=
I controller instrument with whatever sounding electronics your laptop may =
be loaded with.=C2=A0</div>
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen=C2=A0<br><a href=
=3D"http://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><div><a href=3D"http://www.p=
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Hi Per, Sjaak

thank you guys for your feedback.
Yes, I'm slowly, very slooowly getting there...
Just had to build a workaround to convert CC messages to program changes for the patches via MidiPipe (sweet tool, btw!).
I think this software stuff IS crazy: scripting in Mobius, wild audio routing in Mainstage, MidiPipe... If something screws up in half a year, I'm never gonna figure out what the heck went wrong... Oh, well...

Short remarks to your mails:
- Concerning post-fader, Sjaak: Well, my Mackie actually does have ALT3/4 bus that is post-fader AND post-pan. ;-) I've used that very often with my Boss RC-50 this way. But you're right, as long as CPU doesn't hurt. It's good to be flexible. :-)
- copying all the control bindings as well, Per: Well, I find actually Sjaak's approach more elegant for my purpose. This way, currently, all midi controls are on concert level.
- Gain plugin, Per: Nice idea, very useful, indeed.

Anyway, I think it will take a looong while till Mobius + Mainstage are doing what they're supposed to do...

best regards and thanks - also for your moral - support :-)
have a nice weekend

Buzap

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On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> I think this software stuff IS crazy: scripting in Mobius, wild audio
> routing in Mainstage, MidiPipe...


Totally agree. You have the truly sacred trinity there in the box!



> If something screws up in half a year, I'm never gonna figure out what the
> heck went wrong... Oh, well...


When you're working on a setup, save it two or three times with different
added numbers added to the file name. Just so you won't save a mistake and
overwrite and older,  but correct, version. Also change file name now and
then to leave an earlier "generation" if you move into a new concept in the
setup.

Another useful piece of knowledge that may speed up work a lot in Mainstage
programming is that if you create an empty Mainstage setup and drag the same
graphic control objects into the Design Window as your saved patches use -
then all your control bindings to external pedals as well as to internal
software parameters will be imported and patched up properly for you as you
import a patch from disc. The only thing to remember is that the objects in
the Design Window have to match your physical pedalboard setup.

per

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On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Buzap Buzap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:buzap@gmx.net">buzap@gmx.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
I think this software stuff IS crazy: scripting in Mobius, wild audio routi=
ng in Mainstage, MidiPipe... </blockquote><div><br></div><div>Totally agree=
. You have the truly sacred trinity there in the box!=C2=A0</div><div><br><=
/div>
<div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">If something screws up in =
half a year, I&#39;m never gonna figure out what the heck went wrong... Oh,=
 well...</blockquote>
</div><br><div>When you&#39;re working on a setup, save it two or three tim=
es with different added numbers added to the file name. Just so you won&#39=
;t save a mistake and overwrite and older, =C2=A0but correct, version. Also=
 change file name now and then to leave an earlier &quot;generation&quot; i=
f you move into a new concept in the setup.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Another useful piece of knowledge that may speed up wor=
k a lot in Mainstage programming is that if you create an empty Mainstage s=
etup and drag the same graphic control objects into the Design Window as yo=
ur saved patches use - then all your control bindings to external pedals as=
 well as to internal software parameters will be imported and patched up pr=
operly for you as you import a patch from disc. The only thing to remember =
is that the objects in the Design Window have to match your physical pedalb=
oard setup.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>per</div>

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Hi,
Have you had the ghostlike experience that Mainstage suddenly changes
settings that you have not programmed a MIDI control for? This is why:

I just found out that Mainstage is kind of hard-wired to react to incoming
MIDI events that match the most usual Roland General MIDI protocol. This is
not mentioned in the manual and you can not disable it. In praxis it may
bring problems for Behringer FCB1010 users because this MIDI pedal board
sometimes leaks out random MIDI CC# data it is not programmed to send out.
If such a spontaneous leakage happens to spit out a CC#7 event it will
affect all channel strip volume faders in Mainstage. Similar accidents may
happen to Mute, Solo etc.

SOLUTION:
There are two scenarios in which you don't risk to get your gig ruined by
this "feature".
1) If you already have assigned this particular CC# to some function.
2) If you have created a graphic object in the Design Window, "learned" it
to the actual CC# and set its property to "do not pass MIDI data through"
(this is the DUMMY trick, you don't need to assign it to any software
parameter).

I guess the idea with having Mainstage work like this is that people that
own a meat-and-potatoe MIDI keyboard controller can simply plug-it in and
have "volume faders" affect channel strip volume without having to set up a
binding.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Hi,<div><br></div><div>Have you had the ghostlike experience that Mainstage=
 suddenly changes settings that you have not programmed a MIDI control for?=
 This is why:=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I just found out that Mainstag=
e is kind of hard-wired to react to incoming MIDI events that match the mos=
t usual Roland General MIDI protocol. This is not mentioned in the manual a=
nd you can not disable it. In praxis it may bring problems for Behringer FC=
B1010 users because this MIDI pedal board sometimes leaks out random MIDI C=
C# data it is not programmed to send out. If such a spontaneous leakage hap=
pens to spit out a CC#7 event it will affect all channel strip volume fader=
s in Mainstage. Similar accidents may happen to Mute, Solo etc.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>SOLUTION:=C2=A0</div><div>There are two scenarios in wh=
ich you don&#39;t risk to get your gig ruined by this &quot;feature&quot;.=
=C2=A0</div><div>1) If you already have assigned this particular CC# to som=
e function.=C2=A0</div>
<div>2) If you have created a graphic object in the Design Window, &quot;le=
arned&quot; it to the actual CC# and set its property to &quot;do not pass =
MIDI data through&quot; (this is the DUMMY trick, you don&#39;t need to ass=
ign it to any software parameter).=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>I guess the idea with having Mainstage work like this i=
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ly plug-it in and have &quot;volume faders&quot; affect channel strip volum=
e without having to set up a binding.=C2=A0</div>
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> Have you had the ghostlike experience that Mainstage suddenly changes
> settings that you have not programmed a MIDI control for?
> I just found out that Mainstage is kind of hard-wired to react to incoming
> MIDI events that match the most usual Roland General MIDI protocol.

Mainstage indeed has some pre-programmed midi routings. For example,
you don't have to setup a sustain controller in MS when pluggin in a
sustain pedal on your synth, it just works. Same with volume,
modulation, pitch...that's just there automatically. I use 2 separate
controllers, one for Mainstage (ch 1) and one for my looper on (ch 5).
I have switched off all outgoing midi CC events on my Nord, so only
notes, aftertouch and velocity are sent out, nothing else. That way
I'm in control rather than the machines. Btw: I also use the gain
plugin as volume control, that was a good tip!

> In praxis it may
> bring problems for Behringer FCB1010 users because this MIDI pedal board
> sometimes leaks out random MIDI CC# data it is not programmed to send out.

Oeps, thank you Uli! ;-)  The only problem I have every now and then
is a hanging midi note or effect, but I have the impression MS2
behaves much better regarding this issue. Buzap: make sure you use a
button to trigger the midi panic control ;-) Unless you like never
ending drones.
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Btw Per: is their a way to re-order the aux channels in MS? Can't find it.

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> Short remarks to your mails:
> - Concerning post-fader, Sjaak: Well, my Mackie actually does have ALT3/4 bus that is post-fader AND post-pan. ;-) I've used that very often with my Boss RC-50 this way. But you're right, as long as CPU doesn't hurt. It's good to be flexible. :-)

Don't remember if is was pre or post but bottomline was that I coud
not use the aux sends on to feed a looper with a stereo signal using 2
mono channels, 1 panned left and 1 panned right. I checked that with
the shop I bought the Mackie and they confirmed this. That's why I
bought an Allen & Heath MixWizard. These have configurable mixer
options using dip switches, good thinking imo. I don't you use the
mixer anymore for looping btw, only for PA purposes. I think I had a
1204 or 1604.

> Anyway, I think it will take a looong while till Mobius + Mainstage are doing what they're supposed to do...

Yes, but keep in mind that you will get there. The sound of MS is
fantastic, so it's really worth it. Big bang for the bucks!
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On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Btw Per: is their a way to re-order the aux channels in MS? Can't find it.



Sorry, I don't understand that question? Signal routing goes by either sends
(duplicating a signal into another channel) or output assignment.

...or are you talking about the graphic display of the channel strips?

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Excuse me for dropping in a comment wo reading thewhole thread, but I
personally found SooperLooper and Mainstage much more compatible when I run
SL standalone and use the Jack router to send signals to/from it. I don't
know how well this would work with Mobius because last I looked (like a year
ago), it had some issues with inputs other than 1 and 2.

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Btw Per: is their a way to re-order the aux channels in MS? Can't find it.
>
>
>
> Sorry, I don't understand that question? Signal routing goes by either
> sends (duplicating a signal into another channel) or output assignment.
>
> ...or are you talking about the graphic display of the channel strips?
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
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Excuse me for dropping in a comment wo reading thewhole thread, but I perso=
nally found SooperLooper and Mainstage much more compatible when I run SL s=
tandalone and use the Jack router to send signals to/from it. I don&#39;t k=
now how well this would work with Mobius because last I looked (like a year=
 ago), it had some issues with inputs other than 1 and 2. <br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Per Boysen =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"b=
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<div class=3D"im">On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tcplugin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tcplu=
gin@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204)=
; margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

Btw Per: is their a way to re-order the aux channels in MS? Can&#39;t find =
it.</blockquote></div><br><div><br></div></div><div>Sorry, I don&#39;t unde=
rstand that question? Signal routing goes by either sends (duplicating a si=
gnal into another channel) or output assignment.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>...or are you talking about the graphic display of the =
channel strips?=A0</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br></div><d=
iv>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen=A0<br><a href=3D"http://www.boys=
en.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><=
a href=3D"http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679">http://www.ube=
too.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.warrensiro=
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> ...or are you talking about the graphic display of the channel strips?

Yes, my brains like a logical order, so the graphical order is the
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> Excuse me for dropping in a comment wo reading thewhole thread, but I
> personally found SooperLooper and Mainstage much more compatible when I run
> SL standalone and use the Jack router to send signals to/from it. I don't
> know how well this would work with Mobius because last I looked (like a year
> ago), it had some issues with inputs other than 1 and 2.

Hi Warren,
I have not tested Superlooper, only variations of Mainstage, Bidule,
Jack and the LP1 and since a few weeks Mobius. With Mainstage 2 and
the Mobius 1.38 AU-plugin, I don't need need Jack and Bidule any
longer to route the audio to the lp1 and the Bidule recorder. Although
Jack worked fine most of the time, I sometimes had a extra latency
when CPU usage was high. However, the biggest problem was the latency
of routing audio to the LP1 and back into the Mac (not MS) while
monitoring the sounds I was playing. You couldn't simply play acoustic
piano with a buffer size of 128...it was terrible.

So I'm now testing with Mobius as an AU plugin (100% wet) on a MS aux
channel. No latency, great audio quality as well. I use the default
inputs and outputs, port 1. The Mobius au-plugin can open any midi
input directly, so I have configured Mobius to listen on midi channel
5 only. It's therefore not necessary to setup controllers in MS for
Mobius. Don't need Bidule anymore, because MS2 has it's own recorder.
Don't need Jack anymore because the audio routing is much simpler
without a hardware looper and it can all be handled by Mainstage now.
There are however a few things I need to fix in Mobius, but I'm
getting close to a "simple", flexible and compact setup.
-- 
Sjaak Overgaauw
http://premonitionfactory.com/
http://livelooping.be/
http://euroloopfest.com/

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Subject: Re: OT: Mainstage patches - muddy mono feelin' :-(
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>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Btw Per: is their a way to re-order the aux channels in MS? Can't find it.
>
> Yes, my brains like a logical order, so the graphical order is the same as
> the signal flow ;-)



I think there is no way to change the order of aux channels. They are
displayed in the order you create them in the first place. But a channel is
nothing else but the stream you send through it, so if you don't like "the
order" you can change the routing to make it neat and logic (i.e. send to
them in a different order).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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class=3D"ii gt">On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <span dir=
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Subject: Re: OT: Mainstage patches - muddy mono feelin' :-(
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> I think there is no way to change the order of aux channels. They are
> displayed in the order you create them in the first place. But a channel is
> nothing else but the stream you send through it, so if you don't like "the
> order" you can change the routing to make it neat and logic (i.e. send to
> them in a different order).

Well, it's not a big problem. Thanks anyway!

-- 
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http://livelooping.be/
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http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2009/090919.html

The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts.  When I am at the helm, expect
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eclectic mix of other genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on
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                Show #157                September 19, 2009.

On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music
magazine.  Each contemporary issue comes with a CD.  However, the early
issues came with a cassette.  The cassettes from issues one through
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Phase I/Space:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Steve Roach          Destination Beyond * Destination Beyond (Projekt)
VA [Michael Stearns] Sacred Site          Sequences No. 7
VA [Patrick Kosmos]  Sinking Islands      Sequences No. 7
VA [Luddite 144]     Din                  Sequences No. 7
Saul Stokes          Stories Reflect In   Metacollage (Stokesmusic)
                       Those Eyes
Create               A Glimmer of Hope    In the Blink of an Eye
                                            (Groove)


Phase II/Eclectic:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Scott Cossu          Early Morning Rain   Tides Between Us (Alula)
The Guy              Intro                Only Human (none)
The Guy              Icarus               Only Human (none)
Chinapainting        Lifting the          Cereus (none)
                       Millstone
Ben Dowling          In My Dreams         World Rising (Visionsound)

Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Conspiracy           The Unknown          The Unknown (InsideOut)
Klaatu               Little Neutrino      3:47 E.S.T. (Bullseye)
VA [Trion]           Vanha Surullinen     Tuonen Tryar II (Musea)
VA [Willowglass]     Fairyport            Tuonen Tryar II (Musea)
Kevin Gilbert        The Way Back Home    The Shaming of the True (none)
Kevin Gilbert        Johnny's Last Song   The Shaming of the True (none)
Toy Matinee          We Always Go Home    Toy Matinee (Reprise)


 * = excerpt
++ = Advanced CDR from artist
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

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come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine.

Bill
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Hi guys

I took a bit time off my computer, after things were stable.

Yes, Per, backup of old concerts is really a good idea - especially when changing setup architecture :-)

Sjaak: 
>Buzap: make sure you use a
>button to trigger the midi panic control ;-) Unless you like never
>ending drones.
Midi panic control? What is this?

>Btw Per: is their a way to re-order the aux channels in MS? Can't find it.
I'd be also happy about this.
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On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> Midi panic control? What is this?
>

It's a classical MIDI command called "All Notes Off". If you send it all
hanging notes will immediately stop. So what are "hanging notes" then?
Playing MIDI works by sending out a MIDI Note On message when a note shall
be started and a MIDI Note Off message when the same note shall stop. If
something happens before the Note Off event is sent the sound device will
just keep on burping that not until the restaurant at the end of the
universe closes down.



> >Btw Per: is their a way to re-order the aux channels in MS? Can't find it.
> I'd be also happy about this.
> When I found out how to change the order of plugins in a channel (pressing
> alt key or something), it was pure revelation... :-)
>

Not sure that is possible in the Edit Window (if that is what you are asking
for?). But you can create nice looking faders or stream meters in the Layout
Window that you can move, scale and resize just as you like it. These
objects are then used in Performance Mode (cmd-3) and Full Screen Mode
(cmd-4)

Greetings from Sweden

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On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Buzap Buzap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:buzap@gmx.net">buzap@gmx.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div id=3D":1oj" class=3D"ii gt">Midi panic control? What is this?<br></div=
></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s a classical MIDI command called =
&quot;All Notes Off&quot;. If you send it all hanging notes will immediatel=
y stop. So what are &quot;hanging notes&quot; then? Playing MIDI works by s=
ending out a MIDI Note On message when a note shall be started and a MIDI N=
ote Off message when the same note shall stop. If something happens before =
the Note Off event is sent the sound device will just keep on burping that =
not until the restaurant at the end of the universe closes down.=C2=A0</div=
>
<div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div id=3D"=
:1oj" class=3D"ii gt">
&gt;Btw Per: is their a way to re-order the aux channels in MS? Can&#39;t f=
ind it.<br>
I&#39;d be also happy about this.<br>
When I found out how to change the order of plugins in a channel (pressing =
alt key or something), it was pure revelation... :-)</div></blockquote></di=
v><br><div>Not sure that is possible in the Edit Window (if that is what yo=
u are asking for?). But you can create nice looking faders or stream meters=
 in the Layout Window that you can move, scale and resize just as you like =
it. These objects are then used in Performance Mode (cmd-3) and Full Screen=
 Mode (cmd-4)</div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen=C2=A0<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.pe=
rboysen.com">www.perboysen.com</a></div>

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I uploaded informative screen shots at

http://www.flickr.com/photos/15515975@N00/3936367073/
(Mainstage 2)
and

http://www.flickr.com/photos/15515975@N00/3936227397/
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<div>I uploaded informative screen shots at=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>=
<a href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/15515975@N00/3936367073/">http://ww=
w.flickr.com/photos/15515975@N00/3936367073/</a>=C2=A0</div><div>(Mainstage=
 2)=C2=A0</div>
<div>and</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/1=
5515975@N00/3936227397/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/15515975@N00/39362273=
97/</a></div><div>(Logic)</div><br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><=
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Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a hre=
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Hi there gang,=0AI have an unusual problem with my EDP,i have 3 presets whi=
ch i call with my FCB1010 through program changes 1,2 and 3.=0Aeverytime i =
call up program 1 the screen of the EDP shows the number 100 as if it was p=
utting me in tempo select mode which i dont want,ive checked my FCB1010 set=
tings and all is sending is program 1 and ccs to the expression pedals anyb=
ody knows what the problem might be?=0Ai guess i could overwrite the preset=
 but im curious what has happened.=0Athanx=0ALuis=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luis=
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>as if it was putting me in tempo select mode---

But IS IT in tempo select mode? Test by twisting the feedback knob. and see
if the tempo changes..

Are you sure that its not just that the new preset has a different amount of
nextloops set, to the preset that you are changing from? Then EDP tends to
display the amount of seconds of loop time PER loop, when you enter this new
loop. If you swap between loops that have the SAME number of nextloops, it
shows nout, apart from the preset number... AND rememebr tat the only time
iot will display this seconds number is when in reset (stopped) cos when you
change presets whaile running, it EDP doesnt change your nextloops settings.
(Cos if you go from a 6 loop preset to a 2 loop preset, you would lose 4
loops, which EDP doesnt let you do, clever bugger.

maybe its that?
Check if the preset is working anyway?

M

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:45 PM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi there gang,
> I have an unusual problem with my EDP,i have 3 presets which i call with my
> FCB1010 through program changes 1,2 and 3.
> everytime i call up program 1 the screen of the EDP shows the number 100 as
> if it was putting me in tempo select mode which i dont want,ive checked my
> FCB1010 settings and all is sending is program 1 and ccs to the expression
> pedals anybody knows what the problem might be?
> i guess i could overwrite the preset but im curious what has happened.
> thanx
> Luis
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
>
>
>


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&gt;as if it was putting me in tempo select mode---<br><br>But IS IT in tem=
po select mode? Test by twisting the feedback knob. and see if the tempo ch=
anges..<br><br>Are you sure that its not just that the new preset has a dif=
ferent amount of nextloops set, to the preset that you are changing from? T=
hen EDP tends to display the amount of seconds of loop time PER loop, when =
you enter this new loop. If you swap between loops that have the SAME numbe=
r of nextloops, it shows nout, apart from the preset number... AND rememebr=
 tat the only time iot will display this seconds number is when in reset (s=
topped) cos when you change presets whaile running, it EDP doesnt change yo=
ur nextloops settings. (Cos if you go from a 6 loop preset to a 2 loop pres=
et, you would lose 4 loops, which EDP doesnt let you do, clever bugger.<br>

<br>maybe its that?<br>Check if the preset is working anyway?<br><br>M<br><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:45 PM, L.Angulo <sp=
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204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi there gang,<br=
>
I have an unusual problem with my EDP,i have 3 presets which i call with my=
 FCB1010 through program changes 1,2 and 3.<br>
everytime i call up program 1 the screen of the EDP shows the number 100 as=
 if it was putting me in tempo select mode which i dont want,ive checked my=
 FCB1010 settings and all is sending is program 1 and ccs to the expression=
 pedals anybody knows what the problem might be?<br>


i guess i could overwrite the preset but im curious what has happened.<br>
thanx<br>
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Jim already posted a message plugging our Ustream performance today 
(with bonus Swedish contribution via Ninjam from Peter Thorn - no, not 
THAT Peter Thorn), but I wanted to add the tiny bit of minutae that, 
having no room for tape decks in my luggage for this trip to NYC, I'll 
be looping with an EH 2880. Digital! Gads! I haven't used one before so 
it'll be exploratory.

Daryl Shawn
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Yes=2C it looks very cool. Keep me posted with your progress. I have a gig =
on Tuesday but I'll be free after that to explore it myself...

Peace

Gareth

Date: Sat=2C 19 Sep 2009 11:58:43 +0200
Subject: Re: wavedrum x
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Per=2C you might find the Manadala drum interesting:
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At 11:41 AM -0300 9/17/09, Matthias Grob wrote:
>
>did you notice this guy:
>http://www.youtube.com/user/timexile
>
>amazing variety of tricks and source sounds...

Actually, I never really knew anything about Tim Exile, but I did get 
a piece of promo-spam from Native Instruments for this:

http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/powered-by-kore/the-finger/

It's a new effects bank for their Kore Player and Reaktor.  Called 
'The Finger', it's designed by Tim Exile.  The primary hook is that 
the various effects are triggered by simple MIDI notes, so the 
effects can be cycled through in rapid succession during realtime 
mixdown.  It would be great for post-loop manipulation, IMNSHO, and 
it does evidently include some Looping functions as well.

Looks pretty cool.  I was actually thinking about getting a copy. 
I've used Kore Player (not to mention Reaktor) for a while, and it's 
actually developing quite a bit as its own platform.  I'll post if I 
actually get some extra cash and pick it up....

	--m.
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Sorry about that - it was meant for Per - obviously...

peace

G

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Yes=2C it looks very cool. Keep me posted with your progress. I have a gig =
on Tuesday but I'll be free after that to explore it myself...

Peace

Gareth

Date: Sat=2C 19 Sep 2009 11:58:43 +0200
Subject: Re: wavedrum x
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co.uk> wrote:

Per=2C you might find the Manadala drum interesting:
 http://synesthesiacorp.com/  =20


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Per Boysen=20
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Great show! And Daryl, as I said you are a natural for that 2880. Very nice! 
Kudos to Chinapainting and Peter (not that one) Thorne! :)

best,

Jeff

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Subject: Chinapaintin' today


> Jim already posted a message plugging our Ustream performance today (with 
> bonus Swedish contribution via Ninjam from Peter Thorn - no, not THAT 
> Peter Thorn), but I wanted to add the tiny bit of minutae that, having no 
> room for tape decks in my luggage for this trip to NYC, I'll be looping 
> with an EH 2880. Digital! Gads! I haven't used one before so it'll be 
> exploratory.
>
> Daryl Shawn
> www.swanwelder.com
> www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>
>
> 

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I admit I haven't been reading the list with complete thoroughness, but I'm not seeing many posts about LoopFest.  Is it on?

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Quoting Jonathan Kessler <kesslari@yahoo.com>:

> I admit I haven't been reading the list with complete thoroughness,   
> but I'm not seeing many posts about LoopFest.  Is it on?
>

Yes!

See:  http://www.y2kloopfest.com/


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2009/9/20 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

>
> Not sure that is possible in the Edit Window (if that is what you are
> asking for?). But you can create nice looking faders or stream meters in the
> Layout Window that you can move, scale and resize just as you like it. These
> objects are then used in Performance Mode (cmd-3) and Full Screen Mode
> (cmd-4)
>
>
yes buz ... i cannot re-order channels while in edit mode ... i think it's
not possible at all. you have to delete and build again.. not a big issue.



> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>



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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/20 Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span=
><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(=
204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><div>Not sure that is possible in the Edit Window (if that is what you =
are asking for?). But you can create nice looking faders or stream meters i=
n the Layout Window that you can move, scale and resize just as you like it=
. These objects are then used in Performance Mode (cmd-3) and Full Screen M=
ode (cmd-4)</div>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">
<div><br clear=3D"all"></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>yes buz ... =
i cannot re-order channels while in edit mode ... i think it&#39;s not poss=
ible at all. you have to delete and build again.. not a big issue.<br><br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid =
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><di=
v class=3D"h5"><div>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen=A0<br><a href=
=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
></div>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell=
 at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.b=
logspot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collecti=
ve.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
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i would kiss you if you were right here ... thaaaanks!

2009/9/20 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> I uploaded informative screen shots at
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/15515975@N00/3936367073/
> (Mainstage 2)
> and
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/15515975@N00/3936227397/
> (Logic)
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>


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i would kiss you if you were right here ... thaaaanks!<br><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">2009/9/20 Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margi=
n: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>I uploaded informative screen shots at=A0</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/15515975@N00/3936367073/" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/15515975@N00/3936367073/</a>=A0</div><di=
v>(Mainstage 2)=A0</div>

<div>and</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/1=
5515975@N00/3936227397/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/155=
15975@N00/3936227397/</a></div><div>(Logic)</div><br clear=3D"all">Greeting=
s from Sweden<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boyse=
n.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perb=
oysen.com</a><br><br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at B=
logger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogsp=
ot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.co=
m">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
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I'm running Mobius inside Bidiule. I recently switched to the Mac. When I
was on the PC, I had a pc-only metronome that worked well enough. But I
can't find anything for the Intel-based Mac!
Since I want to use this in a live-looping context, recording an audio file
with click is not going to cut it. I need to be able to change tempos on the
fly, and also be able to sync tempo via midi to another computer.

I don't want to run in Live, I think that is going to seriously complicate
my routing and control. I've got some great Bidule confgurations...I just
need a click!

I'm also aware o the metronome.bgrp, but that is inappropriate...it is not
an audio metronome, and when I connect it to an audio source the output is
out of sync due to latency issues.

Any help is appreciated...

-George

http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic

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I&#39;m running Mobius inside Bidiule. I recently switched to the Mac. When=
 I was on the PC, I had a pc-only metronome that worked well enough. But I =
can&#39;t find anything for the Intel-based Mac!<div><br></div><div>Since I=
 want to use this in a live-looping context, recording an audio file with c=
lick is not going to cut it. I need to be able to change tempos on the fly,=
 and also be able to sync tempo via midi to another computer.<br clear=3D"a=
ll">
<br>I don&#39;t want to run in Live, I think that is going to seriously com=
plicate my routing and control. I&#39;ve got some great Bidule confguration=
s...I just need a click!</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m also aware o the =
metronome.bgrp, but that is inappropriate...it is not an audio metronome, a=
nd when I connect it to an audio source the output is out of sync due to la=
tency issues.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Any help is appreciated...</div><div><br>-George<br><br=
><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic">http://www.myspace.co=
m/georgeludwigmusic</a><br>
</div>

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Hi George,

Why don't you try a tremolo effect set to 8th note speed! Always keep that
special plug-in on one of the tracks, so you know that any noise you
initially create on that tracks loop will give you the tempo. Also look into
the Mobius setting Maximum/Minimum tempo to avoid creating extremely slow or
fast tempi by accident. These hints should work fine both when using Mobius
as the sync slave or as the sync master.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com


On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM, George Ludwig <georgeludwigmusic@gmail.com
> wrote:

> I'm running Mobius inside Bidiule. I recently switched to the Mac. When I
> was on the PC, I had a pc-only metronome that worked well enough. But I
> can't find anything for the Intel-based Mac!
> Since I want to use this in a live-looping context, recording an audio file
> with click is not going to cut it. I need to be able to change tempos on the
> fly, and also be able to sync tempo via midi to another computer.
>
> I don't want to run in Live, I think that is going to seriously complicate
> my routing and control. I've got some great Bidule confgurations...I just
> need a click!
>
> I'm also aware o the metronome.bgrp, but that is inappropriate...it is not
> an audio metronome, and when I connect it to an audio source the output is
> out of sync due to latency issues.
>
> Any help is appreciated...
>
> -George
>
> http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic
>

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<div>Hi George,=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Why don&#39;t you try a trem=
olo effect set to 8th note speed! Always keep that special plug-in on one o=
f the tracks, so you know that any noise you initially create on that track=
s loop will give you the tempo. Also look into the Mobius setting Maximum/M=
inimum tempo to avoid creating extremely slow or fast tempi by accident. Th=
ese hints should work fine both when using Mobius as the sync slave or as t=
he sync master.=C2=A0</div>
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.co=
m">www.perboysen.com</a><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM, George=
 Ludwig <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:georgeludwigmusic@gmail.com=
">georgeludwigmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex;">
I&#39;m running Mobius inside Bidiule. I recently switched to the Mac. When=
 I was on the PC, I had a pc-only metronome that worked well enough. But I =
can&#39;t find anything for the Intel-based Mac!<div><br></div><div>Since I=
 want to use this in a live-looping context, recording an audio file with c=
lick is not going to cut it. I need to be able to change tempos on the fly,=
 and also be able to sync tempo via midi to another computer.<br clear=3D"a=
ll">

<br>I don&#39;t want to run in Live, I think that is going to seriously com=
plicate my routing and control. I&#39;ve got some great Bidule confguration=
s...I just need a click!</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m also aware o the =
metronome.bgrp, but that is inappropriate...it is not an audio metronome, a=
nd when I connect it to an audio source the output is out of sync due to la=
tency issues.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Any help is appreciated...</div><div><br>-George<br><br=
><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic</a><br>
</div>
</blockquote></div><br>

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Hi, my name is Alex Klinke, this is my first post here in the
loopers-delight mailing list. I'm from Sao Paulo, Brazil, and
currently living in the city of Vancouver, Canada. Recently I started
to use loops in my compositions, and now I'm totally addicted to this
kind of language. I always find a lot of good information on this
list, and it was very helpful for me especially when I started to
configure my setup. And there's a lot of good music too!
I'm sending one of my recent compositions, it came out from an
improvisation session and turned out to be a full song. I was reading
a lot about different ways of improvising here on the list, so I think
this song should be interesting for a lot of people. I'm basically
using a laptop, running ableton live, a midi controller, and my
guitar. Hope you enjoy it.

Improviso n. 1:

http://www.box.net/shared/kphu68659g

And also I would like to know if there's anyone from Vancouver, BC, on
the list. I know that the looping scene is going well in Europe and
the U.S., but I don't know about here in Canada, it would be good to
know some people from here to share some music thoughts!


Cheers!
Alex

www.myspace.com/alexandreklinke

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hey, thanks for tuning in (and saying nice stuff), Jeff!

I have to say that the 2880 does pretty well in its seemingly intended 
purpose to work like a tape machine, and a four-track at that. Pretty 
intuitive, except that I couldn't figure out how to clear a loop - the 
big ol' button marked "New Loop" seemed to have no effect, as any 
previously recorded stuff still remained even after clicking, holding it 
down for a few seconds, etc. But that was easily solved just by ducking 
down all faders except the first, clicking "Punch In" and hitting record.

It replicated the basic functions I depend on - reverse, octave pitch 
shifting, and continuous pitch shifting via the tempo slider, down two 
octaves which bests my four-track - and most importantly, remembers what 
you're doing so if you record two octaves down and bring it up, the 
sound is shot up two octaves, just like tape. The biggest advantage is 
being able to do sound-on-sound, which I can't do currently w/my analog 
machines.

Ultimately, it won't replace tape for me as I don't like the sound - it 
too closely resembles what I put into it! Ha. (I also can't manually 
abuse the tape stock for more extreme effects..). In particular, the 
sound of the reverse isn't very satisfying, though I do like it better 
than the reverse in the DL4. The old EH 16-second delay has the best 
digital reverse I've heard, next to tape. Clearly it's a certain lo-fi 
thing I prefer, and I do understand that's simple taste. All in all, I 
was impressed by the machine and could easily use one again as a backup 
for my normal setup, it's the closest I've seen in a digital looper.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com


> Great show! And Daryl, as I said you are a natural for that 2880. Very 
> nice! Kudos to Chinapainting and Peter (not that one) Thorne! :)
>
> best,
>
> Jeff

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Jeff thanks for the awfully nice words sir (writing you re your other note
as well) and I'll extend to Peter.  It was a really neat morning, tried a
lot of things and it was exciting to pull it off.  I need to work out the
NinJam mix better but will next time and it was just cool to bring all
together.  Thanks to you and the others from LD that were in our audience.
Jim

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Great show! And Daryl, as I said you are a natural for that 2880. Very
> nice! Kudos to Chinapainting and Peter (not that one) Thorne! :)
>
> best,
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" <highhorse@mhorse.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:09 AM
> Subject: Chinapaintin' today
>
>
>
>  Jim already posted a message plugging our Ustream performance today (with
>> bonus Swedish contribution via Ninjam from Peter Thorn - no, not THAT Peter
>> Thorn), but I wanted to add the tiny bit of minutae that, having no room for
>> tape decks in my luggage for this trip to NYC, I'll be looping with an EH
>> 2880. Digital! Gads! I haven't used one before so it'll be exploratory.
>>
>> Daryl Shawn
>> www.swanwelder.com
>> www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
ReUse, an introspective textural aural
www.myspace.com/CtReUse

music links...
www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
www.myspace.com/jindream
www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic

video work/editing...
www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital

social networking...
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Jeff thanks for the awfully nice words sir (writing you re your other note =
as well) and I&#39;ll extend to Peter. =A0It was a really neat morning, tri=
ed a lot of things and it was exciting to pull it off. =A0I need to work ou=
t the NinJam mix better but will next time and it was just cool to bring al=
l together. =A0Thanks to you and the others from LD that were in our audien=
ce.<div>
<br></div><div>Jim<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 a=
t 2:09 PM, Jeff Duke <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeff_d@embarqm=
ail.com">jeff_d@embarqmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex;">
Great show! And Daryl, as I said you are a natural for that 2880. Very nice=
! Kudos to Chinapainting and Peter (not that one) Thorne! :)<br>
<br>
best,<br>
<br>
Jeff<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- From: &quot;Daryl Shawn&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:highhorse@mhorse.com" target=3D"_blank">highhorse@mhorse.com</a>&gt;<=
br>
To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:09 AM<br>
Subject: Chinapaintin&#39; today<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Jim already posted a message plugging our Ustream performance today (with b=
onus Swedish contribution via Ninjam from Peter Thorn - no, not THAT Peter =
Thorn), but I wanted to add the tiny bit of minutae that, having no room fo=
r tape decks in my luggage for this trip to NYC, I&#39;ll be looping with a=
n EH 2880. Digital! Gads! I haven&#39;t used one before so it&#39;ll be exp=
loratory.<br>

<br>
Daryl Shawn<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.swanwelder.com" target=3D"_blank">www.swanwelder.com<=
/a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.chinapa=
intingmusic.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
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Very nice Alexandre! Greatly enjoyed this . . . it's such tweaked
guitar that it sort of reminds me of Morton Feldman.  (who's not a
guitar player at all, but it's the electronics.)  Great pacing and
mood and I loved the organic and gentle ending.  -m

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Alexandre Klinke
<alexandre.klinke@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sending one of my recent compositions, it came out from an improvisation session and turned out to be a full song.

> Improviso n. 1: http://www.box.net/shared/kphu68659g

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Per,
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, it doesn't really work for me. But
I did give it a lot of thought!

After spending hours scouring the web, I eventually built a click track
generator using a bidule group, of a step sequencer/mono synth/mixer. It
actually works great, but is only in 4/4. I would have to build another one
for any other time signature.

Makes me want to learn to code VSTi's...

-George

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi George,
>
> Why don't you try a tremolo effect set to 8th note speed! Always keep that
> special plug-in on one of the tracks, so you know that any noise you
> initially create on that tracks loop will give you the tempo. Also look into
> the Mobius setting Maximum/Minimum tempo to avoid creating extremely slow or
> fast tempi by accident. These hints should work fine both when using Mobius
> as the sync slave or as the sync master.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM, George Ludwig <
> georgeludwigmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm running Mobius inside Bidiule. I recently switched to the Mac. When I
>> was on the PC, I had a pc-only metronome that worked well enough. But I
>> can't find anything for the Intel-based Mac!
>> Since I want to use this in a live-looping context, recording an audio
>> file with click is not going to cut it. I need to be able to change tempos
>> on the fly, and also be able to sync tempo via midi to another computer.
>>
>> I don't want to run in Live, I think that is going to seriously complicate
>> my routing and control. I've got some great Bidule confgurations...I just
>> need a click!
>>
>> I'm also aware o the metronome.bgrp, but that is inappropriate...it is not
>> an audio metronome, and when I connect it to an audio source the output is
>> out of sync due to latency issues.
>>
>> Any help is appreciated...
>>
>> -George
>>
>> http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic
>>
>
>


-- 
-George

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Per,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, it doesn&=
#39;t really work for me. But I did give it a lot of thought!</div><div><br=
></div><div>After spending hours scouring the web, I eventually built a cli=
ck track generator using a bidule group, of a step sequencer/mono synth/mix=
er. It actually works great, but is only in 4/4. I would have to build anot=
her one for any other time signature.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Makes me want to learn to code VSTi&#39;s...</div><div>=
<br></div><div>-George</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div>Hi George,=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Why don&#39;t you try a tremolo=
 effect set to 8th note speed! Always keep that special plug-in on one of t=
he tracks, so you know that any noise you initially create on that tracks l=
oop will give you the tempo. Also look into the Mobius setting Maximum/Mini=
mum tempo to avoid creating extremely slow or fast tempi by accident. These=
 hints should work fine both when using Mobius as the sync slave or as the =
sync master.=A0</div>


<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><font color=3D"#888888"><br>Per =
Boysen <br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se=
</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboyse=
n.com</a></font><div>

<div></div><div><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM, George=
 Ludwig <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:georgeludwigmusic@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">georgeludwigmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


I&#39;m running Mobius inside Bidiule. I recently switched to the Mac. When=
 I was on the PC, I had a pc-only metronome that worked well enough. But I =
can&#39;t find anything for the Intel-based Mac!<div><br></div><div>Since I=
 want to use this in a live-looping context, recording an audio file with c=
lick is not going to cut it. I need to be able to change tempos on the fly,=
 and also be able to sync tempo via midi to another computer.<br clear=3D"a=
ll">



<br>I don&#39;t want to run in Live, I think that is going to seriously com=
plicate my routing and control. I&#39;ve got some great Bidule confguration=
s...I just need a click!</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m also aware o the =
metronome.bgrp, but that is inappropriate...it is not an audio metronome, a=
nd when I connect it to an audio source the output is out of sync due to la=
tency issues.</div>



<div><br></div><div>Any help is appreciated...</div><div><br>-George<br><br=
><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic</a><br>
</div>
</blockquote></div><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>-George<br>=
<br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic</a><br>
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At 9:39 PM -0700 9/17/09, tim echols wrote:
>--- On Thu, 9/17/09, topu lyo <topulyo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  > also does anyone have any recommendations
>>  on tuning a bass in 5ths?  i am a cellist and
>>  thinking
>>  of tuning the e down to a c but don't want it to
>  > send too flabby.
>
>     i would just trust my ears on how the bass sounds, because it 
>will actually depend on what techniques you plan to use--  pop/slap 
>and tap are greatly affected by the slackness or tautness of the 
>strings, pizzicato et al not so much.  when you do find a tuning 
>that is agreeable for you though, you should think about resetting 
>your intonation if you are going to stay in that tuning for an 
>extended period.  the bassist on the scene who is the most inventive 
>with tunings is michael manring.  here is a link to some of the 
>tunings he uses, but be aware he has basses built to accomodate a 
>large range of tunings, sometimes within one song!!!
>
>http://www.manthing.com/tunings.htm

Good advice.  This is going to vary from bass to bass, unless you get 
one set up specifically for your tuning by your local 
luthier/guitar-setup-god.

I tried this same setup for a while years (er, decades) ago.  The 
issue I ran into was that tuning down to a C *did* make the lowest 
string sound flabby on my bass.  However, my bass resonated quite 
nicely on a low D, so I would tune in fifths starting there, ala: 
DAEB.  Even tried a low C# for a while, which wasn't flabby but was 
fairly difficult to transpose on-the-fly in relation to the other 
players in the band.  So D was a nice compromise.

The main problem I found was that once I had everything tuned 
downward and into fifths, the highest (normally G, but now B) string 
was tuned up high enough that it was difficult to play using a normal 
string gauge.  You're going to have to play around with your choice 
of strings, which will probably take a few tries to get right.

In the end, I decided that playing in fifths was not worth 
effectively giving up (due to finger pain) my fourth string.  But in 
the process I was able to discover a very nice chordal relationship 
on the bass using 15ths that I still use to this day.  So I consider 
the experiment a success, even if I did abandon the primary objective.

On the other hand, you might be able get down to a C if you replace 
your lowest (normally E) string with the largest super-heavy string 
you can find.  You wouldn't have quite(!) so much the problem with a 
tight 4th/G string.  Although I can't guarantee it still wouldn't be 
uncomfortable to play.

Then, of course, with either solution you'll need to worry about 
matching tone on the other strings.

All this is by way of saying that, yes, what you want to do should 
certainly be possible.  However, you're going to need to spend some 
time and actual hands-on to make sure you've got the right 
combinations of string types for your bass for your chosen tuning. 
We can help with a bit of advice here, but a lot of it is going to be 
rote trial-&-error on your part.

	--m.
-- 
_____
"I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of 
murder... later"

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Yes! i agree with Miko: the noise experimental and electronic beginning
and the transistion towards a melodic, gentle and a little naive <br>
ending is very beautiful! I can find much of myself in this song. So is
very peculiar that people like you born in Brasil, living in Vancouver<br>
seems to have much in common with peolple born and living in Italy like
me...this should make us&nbsp; reflecting on it. <br>
So my compliments for your work and&nbsp; i wish&nbsp; you can find canadian
friends on this list! <br>
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Max Liver<br>
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  <pre wrap="">Very nice Alexandre! Greatly enjoyed this . . . it's such tweaked
guitar that it sort of reminds me of Morton Feldman.  (who's not a
guitar player at all, but it's the electronics.)  Great pacing and
mood and I loved the organic and gentle ending.  -m

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Alexandre Klinke
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    <pre wrap="">Improviso n. 1: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.box.net/shared/kphu68659g">http://www.box.net/shared/kphu68659g</a>
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Subject: Re: a bit off topic: earplugs , and bass tunings
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> also does anyone have any recommendations
> on tuning a bass in 5ths? =A0i am a cellist and thinking
> of tuning the e down to a c but don't want it to
> send too flabby.

I used to tune my 5 string Ovation acoustic/electric bass down to C
and tuned everything in 5ths.  The trick to keeping the tension up
where it doesn't sound flabby is to pick and choose your string gauges
carefully.  I don't remember offhand what I was using, though the
number 105 sticks in my head for that lowest C (maybe it was 130?)  I
was able to purchase a select set direct from LaBella.  They were
incredibly helpful in keeping the prices low for me.

I was playing within a Guitar Craft ensemble, where all the guitars
were tuned in 5ths for their lowest 5 strings, and the bass was the
same tuning an octave down.  It worked pretty well in that context,
though I'm no longer involved in that direction and I sold the bass.

There is a small though significant tradition of tuning the bass in
5ths.  Early stand-up basses from the 17th century were originally
tuned that way.  Still today, there are a handful of orchestral bass
players that tune this way.  Occasionally, you see a jazz bassist pop
up from time to time with this tuning.  Fingering is a bit more
challenging, though if you already play cello, it's not that much more
of a stretch.  Since I already played guitar in 5ths, it was easy to
wrap my head around it.

I loved the way it sounded acoustically on all the strings, though I
couldn't go far above the 7th fret on the low C string.  The high E
string (an octave below the guitar high E) was especially beautiful.
I think I used a guitar D string, .032, which worked well because the
neck was longer than a guitar neck.  I especially loved playing the
Bach cello suites.  If I moved everything up to the highest 4 strings
(instead of the lowest 4), it was essentially like transposing the
piece down a 4th.

Stephen

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Hi Mark,=0Aall presets have the same number of loops,the only difference be=
tween them is the way insert behaves,otherwise the are setup pretty much th=
e same.Anyway i overwrote the program and now is fine,i am thinking that wh=
en i was doing a lof of syncronization i might have messed with the tempo s=
elect and saved it as a preset to always respond to that tempo setting...=
=0Aoh well theres still something always new from the EDP!=0A=0A=0Awww.mysp=
ace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> s=
chrieb am So, 20.9.2009:=0A=0A> Von: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com=
>=0A> Betreff: Re: EDP question=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
=0A> Datum: Sonntag, 20. September 2009, 6:23=0A> >as if it was putting me =
in tempo select=0A> mode---=0A> =0A> But IS IT in tempo select mode? Test b=
y twisting the=0A> feedback knob. and see if the tempo changes..=0A> =0A> A=
re you sure that its not just that the new preset has a=0A> different amoun=
t of nextloops set, to the preset that you=0A> are changing from? Then EDP =
tends to display the amount of=0A> seconds of loop time PER loop, when you =
enter this new loop.=0A> If you swap between loops that have the SAME numbe=
r of=0A> nextloops, it shows nout, apart from the preset number...=0A> AND =
rememebr tat the only time iot will display this seconds=0A> number is when=
 in reset (stopped) cos when you change=0A> presets whaile running, it EDP =
doesnt change your nextloops=0A> settings. (Cos if you go from a 6 loop pre=
set to a 2 loop=0A> preset, you would lose 4 loops, which EDP doesnt let yo=
u do,=0A> clever bugger.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> maybe its that?=0A> Check if th=
e preset is working anyway?=0A> =0A> M=0A> =0A> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:4=
5 PM,=0A> L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> =0A> =0A> Hi there =
gang,=0A> =0A> I have an unusual problem with my EDP,i have 3 presets=0A> w=
hich i call with my FCB1010 through program changes 1,2 and=0A> 3.=0A> =0A>=
 everytime i call up program 1 the screen of the EDP shows=0A> the number 1=
00 as if it was putting me in tempo select mode=0A> which i dont want,ive c=
hecked my FCB1010 settings and all is=0A> sending is program 1 and ccs to t=
he expression pedals=0A> anybody knows what the problem might be?=0A> =0A> =
=0A> =0A> i guess i could overwrite the preset but im curious what=0A> has =
happened.=0A> =0A> thanx=0A> =0A> Luis=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> www.myspace.com/l=
uisangulocom=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=
> -- =0A> www.markfrancombe.com=0A> http://vimeo.com/user825094=0A> http://=
uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe=0A> =0A> =0A> http://www.myspace.com/mark=
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About all the things regarding odd bass tunings:

I have two bass guitars which I keep in an odd tuning - which I like
to call "inverted lute tuning".
One is a Tune Gap 6 six-string, and it's tuned 'A-E-B-f#-d'-a'.
The other one is a Hohner B2AF (the Steinberger clone) fretless, tuned D-A-f-c'

The trick here is that you have an inverted lute tuning on the (upper)
four strings, which works well with chords.

As for strings: for the four-string, it was rather simple: use a set
for a five-string and leave out one string.
For the six-string, I worked around the issue of the upper two strings
by using strings for a baritone guitar, which are long enough and your
run-of-the-mill set contains the right gauges.

As others mentioned, there is a good chance that the setup of your
bass needs to be adjusted, possibly rather dramatically. However, it
worked fine for me to do it myself, so no need to go to the luthier of
your choice or local guitar god (unless you want to).

For those of you familiar with my catalogue, both instruments are used
on my "SAUBER!" and "Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg" albums, and the
six-string is on some tracks of "kybermusik: Quelques Papiers D'Abord"
(on the "The Milkey Way" suite) - http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7494

Yours,

            Rainer

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> theres still something always new from the EDP!

There is indeed!

After 8 years with an EDP, I just started using stutter mode.. Ha!!


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Alex,

Nice piece.

You'll fit right in here.

I have no knowledge (off the top of my head) of any loopers in  
Vancouver BC specifically - though I am sure there are some in Canada  
and Pacific Northwest places in the US like Seattle.

Welcome aboard.

Ted Killian

<http://www.reverbnation.com/tedkillian>

On Sep 20, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Alexandre Klinke wrote:

> Hi, my name is Alex Klinke, this is my first post here in the
> loopers-delight mailing list. I'm from Sao Paulo, Brazil, and
> currently living in the city of Vancouver, Canada. Recently I started
> to use loops in my compositions, and now I'm totally addicted to this
> kind of language. I always find a lot of good information on this
> list, and it was very helpful for me especially when I started to
> configure my setup. And there's a lot of good music too!
> I'm sending one of my recent compositions, it came out from an
> improvisation session and turned out to be a full song. I was reading
> a lot about different ways of improvising here on the list, so I think
> this song should be interesting for a lot of people. I'm basically
> using a laptop, running ableton live, a midi controller, and my
> guitar. Hope you enjoy it.
>
> Improviso n. 1:
>
> http://www.box.net/shared/kphu68659g
>
> And also I would like to know if there's anyone from Vancouver, BC, on
> the list. I know that the looping scene is going well in Europe and
> the U.S., but I don't know about here in Canada, it would be good to
> know some people from here to share some music thoughts!
>
>
> Cheers!
> Alex
>
> www.myspace.com/alexandreklinke

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Hi all:

Not sure why I keep trying to do this – forever optimistic I suppose.
Without attempting  MIDI connect which isn’t  possible of course with my
RC-20x., I’ve  been finding out once again that when attempting to have the
loop played on guitar remain in sync with the drum pattern, the RC-20’s loop
will eventually ‘drift’ off out of time. This in spite of  initially being
dead on and in sync when I set up the loop phrase in time with the drum
pattern. And of course, with my RC-50 the same would occur I suspect, unless
as previously mentioned by others on list, you allow the RC-50 to run thru
MIDI to the drum machine as master.
Any thoughts or ideas on this well-worn subject would again be appreciated
especially from those who have tried this particular setup with the RC-20xl
and drum machine. I am using the Roland DR3 drum machine.

Cheers,
Mike

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font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Hi all: <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle15><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Not sure why I keep trying to do
this &#8211; forever optimistic I suppose. Without attempting <span
style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span>MIDI connect which isn&#8217;t<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>possible of course with my RC-20x., I&#8217;ve
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span>been finding out once again that
when attempting to have the loop played on guitar remain in sync with the drum
pattern, the RC-20&#8217;s loop will eventually &#8216;drift&#8217; off out of time. This in
spite of <span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span>initially being dead on
and in sync when I set up the loop phrase in time with the drum pattern. And of
course, with my RC-50 the same would occur I suspect, unless as previously
mentioned by others on list, you allow the RC-50 to run thru MIDI to the drum
machine as master. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle15><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Any thoughts or ideas on this well-worn
subject would again be appreciated especially from those who have tried this
particular setup with the RC-20xl and drum machine. I am using the Roland DR3
drum machine. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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Hi Mike,=0A=0ADon't give up, it is possible. I have managed to succesfully =
time-sync my old RC-20XL with other equipment, specifically my Soundbite Lo=
op Sampler.=0A=0AWhat you need to do, though, is to forget about tapping in=
/out on the RC20, which would be very hit and miss, but instead use pre-det=
ermined loop lengths, which can be saved as silent loops in the sample memo=
ry.  For instance, I created VERY accurate silent loops of 4,8,12,16 and 24=
 seconds in length.  It took a few hours to get the degree of accuracy I wa=
s after, but it is possible.  The 16 second loop stayed acceptably in sync =
(with my soundbite sampler set to 60bpm) for over 5 minutes.  If it does st=
art to drift, simply stop the RC20 and re-start at the next appropriate bea=
t.=0A=0AHope this helps,=0A=0AStephen=0Awww.myspace.com/sylvianfisher=0A=0A=
=0A--- On Mon, 21/9/09, Mike Kilburn <mkilburn@eastlink.ca> wrote:=0A=0A> F=
rom: Mike Kilburn <mkilburn@eastlink.ca>=0A> Subject: syncing RC -20xl with=
 drum machine=0A> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co=
m>=0A> Date: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 3:02 PM=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>  =0A>  =
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i all:=0A>  =0A> =0A> =C2=A0=0A> =0A> =0A> Not sure why I=0A> keep trying t=
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g =C2=A0MIDI connect which isn=E2=80=99t=C2=A0 possible of course with my R=
C-20x.,=0A> I=E2=80=99ve=0A> =C2=A0been finding out once again=0A> that=0A>=
 when attempting to have the loop played on guitar remain in=0A> sync with =
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Hi folks

I was always wondering: where do you place your reverb(s) in your looper/effect chain?

I have the following more specific questions:
- Could it make sense to put a general reverb _after_ the looper?
- Does reverb cause trouble in post-looper fx processing?
- Does it work out to chain reverbs after another (i.e. additional reverb on background vocals)?
- How do you bring together delay and reverb in your fx chain - if at all?

Would like to hear your general ideas related to reverb + looping. Probably this topic is more related to software looping with it's routing options - and CPU limitations.

best regards
Buzap


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Buzap said:
> I was always wondering: where do you place your reverb(s) in your looper/effect chain?
>I have the following more specific questions:
>- Could it make sense to put a general reverb _after_ the looper?
>- Does reverb cause trouble in post-looper fx processing?
>- Does it work out to chain reverbs after another (i.e. additional reverb on background vocals)?
>- How do you bring together delay and reverb in your fx chain - if at all?
>Would like to hear your general ideas related to reverb + looping. Probably this topic is more related to software looping with it's routing options - and CPU limitations.

Apart from the general topic of effects pre/post looper (and I
encourage you to search the archives for that), there are some
specifics relating to time-based effects (which can be either effects
changing over time, or effects which "trail out" like a reverb or also
delay).

The short idea is:
I personally prefer the reverb post-looper.

Reasons why you wouldn't want to do that:
1. you don't have that many effects resources available,
2. you want different kinds of reverb on the overdubs,
3. you want to create special effects.
What are these "special effects"? To try that out, simply record a
loop with a strong/long reverb pre-looper, and see what happens a)
after you end the loop and switch to overdub, b) if you switch to
reverse.

I do see this both being related to hardware and software setups - the
topic of "CPU limitations" becomes "number of devices/aux channels".

Yours,

           Rainer

ps: when do we get to hear you live btw?

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Hey Buzap,

All harware but:

I currently put my reverb (Digitech Hardwire) after mostly the gain stage 
fx, like distortion etc,

instrument-volume-BBE Opto Stomp compressor-Digi Synthwah-Zvex Fuzz 
Factory-Digi Bad Monkey-Korg AX 3000G w/ Digitech RP 250 in fx loop-Digitech 
Hardwire REVERB-Alesis Bitrman, Smashup, Ampliton-Line 6 DL 4-Boss DD 20-EH 
2880

In this setup the delays from the multi fx are going into the reverb  but 
they are short rhythmic delays and I don't always use the reverb.

At least this week. If I had more stuff I would put some fx after the 
loopers also although reverb seems muddy after the loops to me.

peace,

Jeff

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> Hi folks
>
> I was always wondering: where do you place your reverb(s) in your 
> looper/effect chain?
>
> I have the following more specific questions:
> - Could it make sense to put a general reverb _after_ the looper?
> - Does reverb cause trouble in post-looper fx processing?
> - Does it work out to chain reverbs after another (i.e. additional reverb 
> on background vocals)?
> - How do you bring together delay and reverb in your fx chain - if at all?
>
> Would like to hear your general ideas related to reverb + looping. 
> Probably this topic is more related to software looping with it's routing 
> options - and CPU limitations.
>
> best regards
> Buzap
>
>
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> 

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I just got the Jamman and test it with the Kodak compact flash that contain=
s 65 loops of beats

After I test it I just realize that I may erase 1-3 channel (4-65 still got=
 it) I'm quite sure I didn't press erase... just undo... anyway=2C


How can I get it back?

I tried to contact the seller (www.recoveryclass.com)
but haven't got the answer yet.


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Hello Alex, and welcome to LD.

I really enjoyed your recording a look forward to hearing more.

I'm in England, but used to live near Vancouver and my parents are still 
there (in Pitt Meadows) so I visit whenever I can - usually every couple of 
years. I'm always looking out for musicians to meet up with when I'm there.

The only other vaguely loopy musician I know of in the area is Stefan 
Smulovitz, the developer of the Kenaxis software, who I had the pleasure of 
meeting when he was in London a couple of years ago with Viviane Houle. I 
think he's in Roberts Creek.

Happy looping!

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Now I actually recall my main concern in this matter:
- Post-Looper advantage: reverb tail is not cut off during looping
- Pre-Looper advantage: stronger reverb on i.e. background vocals possible

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You should be able to most of the files if they haven't been written
over. There are many free programs to do this, and they are usually
targeted at people who accidentally erase pictures on compact flash,
but many will work on any file type. Do a search at download.com and
you should find some. I apologize, but I'm at work and don't remember
the names of the programs I tried, but they all worked about equally
well.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Petepong Phasukyud
<petexhunter@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I just got the Jamman and test it with the Kodak compact flash that contains
> 65 loops of beats
>
> After I test it I just realize that I may erase 1-3 channel (4-65 still got
> it) I'm quite sure I didn't press erase... just undo... anyway,
>
>
> How can I get it back?
>
> I tried to contact the seller (www.recoveryclass.com)
> but haven't got the answer yet.
>
>
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Interesting question.

It depends mostly (I suppose) on whether you are looping one sound source o=
r many.

If one (say guitar) then you can safely put the reverb at the tail end of t=
hings - after the looper and it will work fine (so long as you want your gu=
itar sounds and your loops sounds to have the same type of reverb applied t=
o them).

If more than one (say flute AND voice AND percussion AND whatever) you migh=
t want to have different kinds of reverb and different amounts of it on eac=
h of these - you may want your flute to sound lush, your voice to sound dry=
 and your percussion to have a bit of gated verb on it.

Assuming you're using just one looper for all of that that would necessaril=
y mean it all has to happen BEFORE the looper.

The main problem with reverb before looper situations is that sometimes the=
 end of the loop will noticeably cut off a long reverb tail and make your l=
oop sound a little less "seamless" - so care must be exercised.

Then there are weirdos like me who want it both ways.

If you have enough gear in your kit that you can have reverb BEFORE and AFT=
ER your loops - just use the AFTER to ad a tiny little ambient "air" or "sp=
ace" to the whole "ensemble" (nice if you are in a particularly dry perform=
ance space) this also can help "gloss over" some of those cut-off reverb ta=
ils and give the whole thing a "finished" sound.

But that's probably waaaay ovrkill for most folks.

It's half the reason my rack set-ups got so huge over the years.

Hope some of this helps.

tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn

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Hi folks

I was always wondering: where do you place your reverb(s) in your looper/ef=
fect chain?

I have the following more specific questions:
- Could it make sense to put a general reverb _after_ the looper?
- Does reverb cause trouble in post-looper fx processing?
- Does it work out to chain reverbs after another (i.e. additional reverb o=
n background vocals)?
- How do you bring together delay and reverb in your fx chain - if at all?

Would like to hear your general ideas related to reverb + looping. Probably=
 this topic is more related to software looping with it's routing options -=
 and CPU limitations.

best regards
Buzap


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VERY nice i liked it a lot... so it this a improvisation or is it written f=
rom the improvised peice? Doesen't really matter=2C it's great music...

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> Date: Sun=2C 20 Sep 2009 16:35:39 -0700
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> Hi=2C my name is Alex Klinke=2C this is my first post here in the
> loopers-delight mailing list. I'm from Sao Paulo=2C Brazil=2C and
> currently living in the city of Vancouver=2C Canada. Recently I started
> to use loops in my compositions=2C and now I'm totally addicted to this
> kind of language. I always find a lot of good information on this
> list=2C and it was very helpful for me especially when I started to
> configure my setup. And there's a lot of good music too!
> I'm sending one of my recent compositions=2C it came out from an
> improvisation session and turned out to be a full song. I was reading
> a lot about different ways of improvising here on the list=2C so I think
> this song should be interesting for a lot of people. I'm basically
> using a laptop=2C running ableton live=2C a midi controller=2C and my
> guitar. Hope you enjoy it.
>=20
> Improviso n. 1:
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> the list. I know that the looping scene is going well in Europe and
> the U.S.=2C but I don't know about here in Canada=2C it would be good to
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> Cheers!
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Yeah the 2880 is a lot of fun even with the lack of features that I would 
wish for. They all (that I have tried) lack something :)

Individual control of feedback (fade) for each track would be #1 for me I 
think. In fact having each stereo pair seperated synced or not would be the 
ticket. I play stereo so I have two tracks. Having feedback control of the 
non active pair so it could fade while muted. I guess two 2880s would be the 
ticket synced with midi! Yeah! Never mind..

I agree about the reverse. I find that I don't use it alot and I think it's 
because the reverse envelope is just not powerful. The EH 16 sec delay was 
the best reverse envelope I have ever used also. Too bad you can't tap the 
length of the loops like the 2880. See it's always something. I do use the 
octave button on the 2880 alot though

>"Ultimately, it won't replace tape for me as I don't like the sound - it 
>too closely resembles what I put into it!"

Well you can put fx after it to where you can't even recognize yourself 
anymore of course.

Remember the 16 sec delay was nicknamed the "Fripp in a box"

I call my 2880 my Daryl in a box ;)

Hey how about feeding your tape setup into the 2880? I would love to hear 
that...

peace out,

Jeff



----- Original Message ----- 
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> hey, thanks for tuning in (and saying nice stuff), Jeff!
>
> I have to say that the 2880 does pretty well in its seemingly intended 
> purpose to work like a tape machine, and a four-track at that. Pretty 
> intuitive, except that I couldn't figure out how to clear a loop - the big 
> ol' button marked "New Loop" seemed to have no effect, as any previously 
> recorded stuff still remained even after clicking, holding it down for a 
> few seconds, etc. But that was easily solved just by ducking down all 
> faders except the first, clicking "Punch In" and hitting record.
>
> It replicated the basic functions I depend on - reverse, octave pitch 
> shifting, and continuous pitch shifting via the tempo slider, down two 
> octaves which bests my four-track - and most importantly, remembers what 
> you're doing so if you record two octaves down and bring it up, the sound 
> is shot up two octaves, just like tape. The biggest advantage is being 
> able to do sound-on-sound, which I can't do currently w/my analog 
> machines.
>
> Ultimately, it won't replace tape for me as I don't like the sound - it 
> too closely resembles what I put into it! Ha. (I also can't manually abuse 
> the tape stock for more extreme effects..). In particular, the sound of 
> the reverse isn't very satisfying, though I do like it better than the 
> reverse in the DL4. The old EH 16-second delay has the best digital 
> reverse I've heard, next to tape. Clearly it's a certain lo-fi thing I 
> prefer, and I do understand that's simple taste. All in all, I was 
> impressed by the machine and could easily use one again as a backup for my 
> normal setup, it's the closest I've seen in a digital looper.
>
> Daryl Shawn
> www.swanwelder.com
> www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>
>
>> Great show! And Daryl, as I said you are a natural for that 2880. Very 
>> nice! Kudos to Chinapainting and Peter (not that one) Thorne! :)
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Jeff
>
> 

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Daryl in a box! hee hee hee! that kinda makes my day.

The 2880 belongs to Jim, but someday when we're in the same place again 
I'll see about feeding my tapes right into the digital box. Sure would 
be fun to have individual track ins/outs, no?

You're right about feedback, I normally don't think about that because 
without sound-on-sound and with individual track volumes, it doesn't 
seem so important. But there was a point yesterday where it would have 
been nice to have one thick track fade out gradually on its own.

Yeah, I could put FX after the looper, but it'd be second best to the 
mysterious tapeness I love, the flutter and wobble that comes up when I 
use the low tape speed, the saturation, etc. I think the only advantage 
the 2880 has thus far (next to the two-octave continuous pitch control) 
is the compactness, and adding pedals would erase that edge.

I'm intrigued though. It's very cool.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com

> Yeah the 2880 is a lot of fun even with the lack of features that I 
> would wish for. They all (that I have tried) lack something :)
>
> Individual control of feedback (fade) for each track would be #1 for 
> me I think. In fact having each stereo pair seperated synced or not 
> would be the ticket. I play stereo so I have two tracks. Having 
> feedback control of the non active pair so it could fade while muted. 
> I guess two 2880s would be the ticket synced with midi! Yeah! Never 
> mind..
>
> I agree about the reverse. I find that I don't use it alot and I think 
> it's because the reverse envelope is just not powerful. The EH 16 sec 
> delay was the best reverse envelope I have ever used also. Too bad you 
> can't tap the length of the loops like the 2880. See it's always 
> something. I do use the octave button on the 2880 alot though
>
>> "Ultimately, it won't replace tape for me as I don't like the sound - 
>> it too closely resembles what I put into it!"
>
> Well you can put fx after it to where you can't even recognize 
> yourself anymore of course.
>
> Remember the 16 sec delay was nicknamed the "Fripp in a box"
>
> I call my 2880 my Daryl in a box ;)
>
> Hey how about feeding your tape setup into the 2880? I would love to 
> hear that...
>
> peace out,
>
> Jeff

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does anybody know of a web shop for a cheap+small ADC to hit a RCA type
s/pdif input on my soundcard?
quality is not an issue here, just to have an additional pair of inputs
available in my laptop based rig.

thanks!

-- 
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does anybody know of a web shop for a cheap+small ADC to hit a RCA type s/pdif input on my soundcard?<br>quality is not an issue here, just to have an additional pair of inputs available in my laptop based rig.<br><br>thanks!<br clear="all">
<br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href="http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href="http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br><br>

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There are a lot of these on ebay right now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-HI-FI-4XDAC-TDA1543-parallel-connection-NOS-DAC_W0QQitemZ170376870088QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27ab40b8c8&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/HI-FI-Mini-DAC-TDA1543-DIR9001-NOS-DAC_W0QQitemZ180401530855QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2a00c4e7e7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

I can't speak to the quality, I'm waiting for mine to arrive!

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
> does anybody know of a web shop for a cheap+small ADC to hit a RCA type
> s/pdif input on my soundcard?
> quality is not an issue here, just to have an additional pair of inputs
> available in my laptop based rig.
>
> thanks!
>
> --
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>
>



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Oops, sorry about that. That's the wrong direction, DAC vs. ADC. My mistake.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are a lot of these on ebay right now:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-HI-FI-4XDAC-TDA1543-parallel-connection-NOS-DAC_W0QQitemZ170376870088QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27ab40b8c8&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/HI-FI-Mini-DAC-TDA1543-DIR9001-NOS-DAC_W0QQitemZ180401530855QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2a00c4e7e7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
>
> I can't speak to the quality, I'm waiting for mine to arrive!
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>> does anybody know of a web shop for a cheap+small ADC to hit a RCA type
>> s/pdif input on my soundcard?
>> quality is not an issue here, just to have an additional pair of inputs
>> available in my laptop based rig.
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Art Simon
> simart@gmail.com
> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>



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yes. i'm interested in a cheap ADC ... ;-)

2009/9/22 Art Simon <simart@gmail.com>

> Oops, sorry about that. That's the wrong direction, DAC vs. ADC. My
> mistake.
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There are a lot of these on ebay right now:
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-HI-FI-4XDAC-TDA1543-parallel-connection-NOS-DAC_W0QQitemZ170376870088QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27ab40b8c8&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
> >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/HI-FI-Mini-DAC-TDA1543-DIR9001-NOS-DAC_W0QQitemZ180401530855QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2a00c4e7e7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
> >
> > I can't speak to the quality, I'm waiting for mine to arrive!
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> does anybody know of a web shop for a cheap+small ADC to hit a RCA type
> >> s/pdif input on my soundcard?
> >> quality is not an issue here, just to have an additional pair of inputs
> >> available in my laptop based rig.
> >>
> >> thanks!
> >>
> >> --
> >> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> >> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Art Simon
> > simart@gmail.com
> > myspace [dot] com/artsimon
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Art Simon
> simart@gmail.com
> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>
>


-- 
Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com

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yes. i&#39;m interested in a cheap ADC ... ;-) <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">2009/9/22 Art Simon <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simart@g=
mail.com">simart@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt=
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Oops, sorry about that. That&#39;s the wrong direction, DAC vs. ADC. My mis=
take.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Art Simon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simart@gma=
il.com">simart@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; There are a lot of these on ebay right now:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-HI-FI-4XDAC-TDA1543-parallel-conne=
ction-NOS-DAC_W0QQitemZ170376870088QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?ha=
sh=3Ditem27ab40b8c8&amp;_trksid=3Dp3286.c0.m14" target=3D"_blank">http://cg=
i.ebay.com/Mini-HI-FI-4XDAC-TDA1543-parallel-connection-NOS-DAC_W0QQitemZ17=
0376870088QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=3Ditem27ab40b8c8&amp;_=
trksid=3Dp3286.c0.m14</a><br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/HI-FI-Mini-DAC-TDA1543-DIR9001-NOS-DAC_=
W0QQitemZ180401530855QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=3Ditem2a00c=
4e7e7&amp;_trksid=3Dp3286.c0.m14" target=3D"_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/HI-=
FI-Mini-DAC-TDA1543-DIR9001-NOS-DAC_W0QQitemZ180401530855QQcmdZViewItemQQpt=
ZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=3Ditem2a00c4e7e7&amp;_trksid=3Dp3286.c0.m14</a><br=
>

&gt;<br>
&gt; I can&#39;t speak to the quality, I&#39;m waiting for mine to arrive!<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Raul Bonell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rau=
l.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; does anybody know of a web shop for a cheap+small ADC to hit a RCA=
 type<br>
&gt;&gt; s/pdif input on my soundcard?<br>
&gt;&gt; quality is not an issue here, just to have an additional pair of i=
nputs<br>
&gt;&gt; available in my laptop based rig.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; thanks!<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt; Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Art Simon<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:simart@gmail.com">simart@gmail.com</a><br>
&gt; myspace [dot] com/artsimon<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Art Simon<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:simart@gmail.com">simart@gmail.com</a><br>
myspace [dot] com/artsimon<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell=
 at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.b=
logspot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collecti=
ve.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
<br>

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Well it's an outake from a MUCH longer loop... this time i decided to play =
som chord from a song somewhere in the loop...

On the dark side of the loop...

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=3D8124697

Thinking of doing this sort of thing more... need to practice that..

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Thanks a lot Miko, Massimo, Ted, Steve and Anders, I'm glad you liked
the track. Is great to be in an environment where people can really
appreciate this type of music. Thanks Miko for mentioning Morton
Feldman, I've never heard of him before, and just doing a quick search
on the web I already found some very interesting pieces of him, cool!
As Massimo mentioned, it's awesome to see people from different parts
of the world being able to identify themselves with the same thing. I
would like to hear more music from everyone on this list.
And also thanks Steve to talk about Stefan Smulovitz, pretty crazy
music that this guy does! I'll keep my eyes open whenever he is
playing in Vancouver.
Anders, actually I made this song when I was recording another piece,
not improvised at all, and when the music was over, the last loop of
the song was playing over and over and I started to tweak the sound of
it, which became the main base of the improvisation. Then all the
guitar parts appeared naturally as I was playing, so the only thing it
wasn't improvised was the first loop. But I did cut some "mistakes"
when I was mixing it.
Best Regards,
Alex


On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Anders Bergdahl
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> VERY nice i liked it a lot... so it this a improvisation or is it written
> from the improvised=A0peice? Doesen't really matter, it's great music...
>
> Regards,
>
> Anders
> www.soundclick.com/anders%20bergdahl
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:35:39 -0700
>> Subject: improviso n.1
>> From: alexandre.klinke@gmail.com
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>> Hi, my name is Alex Klinke, this is my first post here in the
>> loopers-delight mailing list. I'm from Sao Paulo, Brazil, and
>> currently living in the city of Vancouver, Canada. Recently I started
>> to use loops in my compositions, and now I'm totally addicted to this
>> kind of language. I always find a lot of good information on this
>> list, and it was very helpful for me especially when I started to
>> configure my setup. And there's a lot of good music too!
>> I'm sending one of my recent compositions, it came out from an
>> improvisation session and turned out to be a full song. I was reading
>> a lot about different ways of improvising here on the list, so I think
>> this song should be interesting for a lot of people. I'm basically
>> using a laptop, running ableton live, a midi controller, and my
>> guitar. Hope you enjoy it.
>>
>> Improviso n. 1:
>>
>> http://www.box.net/shared/kphu68659g
>>
>> And also I would like to know if there's anyone from Vancouver, BC, on
>> the list. I know that the looping scene is going well in Europe and
>> the U.S., but I don't know about here in Canada, it would be good to
>> know some people from here to share some music thoughts!
>>
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Alex
>>
>> www.myspace.com/alexandreklinke
>>
>

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I'm excited to announce that there has been unprecedented interest in 
this year's looping festival
(I've been fielding requests to perform for over 6 months now)
so, in the next few e-mails,  I'd like to announce the schedule for this 
years's festival,

This year we will have between 55 and 60  artists from 7 countries in 6 
days in 3 cities.

This year will also see 4 or 5 world technology premieres in audio and 
video at the festival (four of them to be shown
on the Friday night concert at the beginning of the evening) so try to 
make that night.  Even more importantly ,
it is the evening when our festival Headliners will perform.   

I hope to see you all there!
Rick Walker



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<big>META MUSIC</big>&nbsp; 320 CENTER STREET<br>
<br>
7:30 BOB AMSTADT<br>
8:00 CHRIS COHN<br>
BREAK<br>
9:00 PETER COR<br>
9:30 SHOVELMAN (ISAAC FRANKLE)<br>
<br>
<b><big>FRIDAY,&nbsp; OCTOBER 16th&nbsp; ($10.00)<br>
</big></b><big>PEARL ALLEY STUDIOS <small>120 PEARL ALLEY<br>
<br>
</small><u><i><b>HEADLINERS CONCERT</b></i></u></big><br>
8:00 WORLD TECHNOLOGY PREMIERS (Rick Walker)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (in Video and Live Looping)<br>
8:45&nbsp; <b>JIM THOMAS</b> (leader of the MERMEN)(USA)<br>
9:45&nbsp;<b> MICHAEL PETERS </b>(Germany)<br>
10:30<b> KALIMBA MAN (aka KEVIN SPEARS) </b>(USA)<br>
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<big><br>
<b><u><small>FEATURED PERFORMERS IN BOLD</small></u><br>
</b></big><br>
noon ORGANAMATRONIC newbie<br>
12:30 CHRIS PRESTON newbie<br>
1:00 CPR<br>
1:30 JACK SCHULTZ<br>
2:00 GLENN SMITH <br>
2:30 JD DEVROS<br>
3:00 TY GOTT&nbsp; <br>
3:30 JIM GOODIN&nbsp; <br>
4:00 DARYL SHAWN<br>
4:30 STANOSAUR<br>
5:00&nbsp; TED KILLIAN<br>
5:30 NADIA SHIHAB<br>
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7:00 ELECTROFUNKADELICA<br>
7:30 CHRIS CASWELL<br>
8:00 <b>LILI LEWIS </b>(USA)<br>
8:30 <b>NAT GRANT</b> (Australia)<br>
9:00 <b>DAVID COOPER ORTON</b> (England)<br>
9:30 <b>ANDRE ALDRIDGE </b>(Canada)<br>
10:00 <b>WARRENT SIROTA </b>(USA)<br>
10:30 BILL WALKER<br>
11:00 <b>KEVIN KISSINGER</b> (USA)<br>
11:30 TRAVIS JOHNS<br>
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&nbsp;<br>
noon SAYAKA YABUKI&nbsp; newbie<br>
12:30 LINDSEY WALKER <br>
1:00 MATT DAVIGNON <br>
1:30 CRAIG McCOLLOUGH <br>
2:00 GUSTAF FJELSTROM<br>
2:30 DAN ROBBINS<br>
3:00 GEORGE DEMAREST<br>
3:30 BILL PRICHARD <br>
4:00 JRJ (JOHN JOHNSON)<br>
4:30 MIKE CRAIN<br>
5:00 UCCELLO PROJECT<br>
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<br>
DINNER BREAK<br>
<br>
7:00 PLANET LOOP<br>
7:30 <b>ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE BRAINDEAD</b> (Germany)<br>
8:00 ARIANE CAP<br>
8:30 <b>ANDRE DONAWA</b> (Barbados) <br>
9:00 <b>ONYX ASHANTI </b>(Germany)<br>
9:30 <b>PREMONITION FACTORY</b> (Belgium)<br>
10:00 DANIEL THOMAS<br>
10:30 <b>ART SIMON </b>(USA)<br>
11:00 <b>JAY ROBINSON</b> (Canada)<br>
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<big><b>MONDAY,&nbsp; OCTOBER 19th&nbsp; <br>
</b>WALNUT STREET CAFE&nbsp;<b> </b><small>106 WALNUT AVENUE</small><b><br>
</b>noon- 3:00 p.m.<b><br>
Annual After Festival Loopers Brunch<br>
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I misspelled Warren Sirota's name on that last email
which is why I will post the correction immediately

Sorry,  Warren!

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congrats man! thats a hell of an undertaking - just wanted to send some pos=
itive energy your way as i know this stuff can take a toll on the promoter-

i have never attended a y2k but a question i have is that i noticed almost =
every time sot is 30min- with no extra time dedicated to changeovers....in =
years past=2C how long do the performers usually get to play? as i would im=
agine 10-20min of that 30min block having to be dedicated to setup/tear dow=
n-
or do you backline gear some how? or multiple stages?

just curious =3Bo)






Date: Mon=2C 21 Sep 2009 17:59:35 -0700
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Y2K9
INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL

SANTA CRUZ=2C CALIFORNIA



THURSDAY=2C OCTOBER 15th  (free)

META MUSIC  320 CENTER STREET



7:30 BOB AMSTADT

8:00 CHRIS COHN

BREAK

9:00 PETER COR

9:30 SHOVELMAN (ISAAC FRANKLE)



FRIDAY=2C  OCTOBER 16th  ($10.00)

PEARL ALLEY STUDIOS 120 PEARL ALLEY



HEADLINERS CONCERT

8:00 WORLD TECHNOLOGY PREMIERS (Rick Walker)

                   (in Video and Live Looping)

8:45  JIM THOMAS (leader of the MERMEN)(USA)

9:45  MICHAEL PETERS (Germany)

10:30 KALIMBA MAN (aka KEVIN SPEARS) (USA)



SATURDAY=2C OCTOBER 17th  ($10.00)

PEARL ALLEY STUDIOS 120 PEARL ALLEY



FEATURED PERFORMERS IN BOLD



noon ORGANAMATRONIC newbie

12:30 CHRIS PRESTON newbie

1:00 CPR

1:30 JACK SCHULTZ

2:00 GLENN SMITH=20

2:30 JD DEVROS

3:00 TY GOTT =20

3:30 JIM GOODIN =20

4:00 DARYL SHAWN

4:30 STANOSAUR

5:00  TED KILLIAN

5:30 NADIA SHIHAB



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7:30 CHRIS CASWELL

8:00 LILI LEWIS (USA)

8:30 NAT GRANT (Australia)

9:00 DAVID COOPER ORTON (England)

9:30 ANDRE ALDRIDGE (Canada)

10:00 WARRENT SIROTA (USA)

10:30 BILL WALKER

11:00 KEVIN KISSINGER (USA)

11:30 TRAVIS JOHNS





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4:30 MIKE CRAIN

5:00 UCCELLO PROJECT

5:30 LAUREL MURPHY & RYAN SLEMKO (Canada)



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9:30 PREMONITION FACTORY (Belgium)

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11:00 JAY ROBINSON (Canada)



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<small>SANTA CRUZ=2C CALIFORNIA<br>
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g></b><br>
<big>META MUSIC</big>&nbsp=3B 320 CENTER STREET<br>
<br>
7:30 BOB AMSTADT<br>
8:00 CHRIS COHN<br>
BREAK<br>
9:00 PETER COR<br>
9:30 SHOVELMAN (ISAAC FRANKLE)<br>
<br>
<b><big>FRIDAY=2C&nbsp=3B OCTOBER 16th&nbsp=3B ($10.00)<br>
</big></b><big>PEARL ALLEY STUDIOS <small>120 PEARL ALLEY<br>
<br>
</small><u><i><b>HEADLINERS CONCERT</b></i></u></big><br>
8:00 WORLD TECHNOLOGY PREMIERS (Rick Walker)<br>
&nbsp=3B&nbsp=3B&nbsp=3B&nbsp=3B&nbsp=3B&nbsp=3B&nbsp=3B &nbsp=3B &nbsp=3B =
&nbsp=3B &nbsp=3B &nbsp=3B&nbsp=3B (in Video and Live Looping)<br>
8:45&nbsp=3B <b>JIM THOMAS</b> (leader of the MERMEN)(USA)<br>
9:45&nbsp=3B<b> MICHAEL PETERS </b>(Germany)<br>
10:30<b> KALIMBA MAN (aka KEVIN SPEARS) </b>(USA)<br>
<br>
<b><big>SATURDAY=2C OCTOBER 17th&nbsp=3B ($10.00)<br>
</big></b><big>PEARL ALLEY STUDIOS </big><big><small>120 PEARL ALLEY</small=
></big><br>
<big><br>
<b><u><small>FEATURED PERFORMERS IN BOLD</small></u><br>
</b></big><br>
noon ORGANAMATRONIC newbie<br>
12:30 CHRIS PRESTON newbie<br>
1:00 CPR<br>
1:30 JACK SCHULTZ<br>
2:00 GLENN SMITH <br>
2:30 JD DEVROS<br>
3:00 TY GOTT&nbsp=3B <br>
3:30 JIM GOODIN&nbsp=3B <br>
4:00 DARYL SHAWN<br>
4:30 STANOSAUR<br>
5:00&nbsp=3B TED KILLIAN<br>
5:30 NADIA SHIHAB<br>
<br>
&nbsp=3BDINNER BREAK<br>
<br>
7:00 ELECTROFUNKADELICA<br>
7:30 CHRIS CASWELL<br>
8:00 <b>LILI LEWIS </b>(USA)<br>
8:30 <b>NAT GRANT</b> (Australia)<br>
9:00 <b>DAVID COOPER ORTON</b> (England)<br>
9:30 <b>ANDRE ALDRIDGE </b>(Canada)<br>
10:00 <b>WARRENT SIROTA </b>(USA)<br>
10:30 BILL WALKER<br>
11:00 <b>KEVIN KISSINGER</b> (USA)<br>
11:30 TRAVIS JOHNS<br>
<br>
<br>
<b><big>SUNDAY=2C OCTOBER 18th&nbsp=3B ($10.00)<br>
</big></b><big>PEARL ALLEY STUDIOS&nbsp=3B&nbsp=3B </big><big><small>120 PE=
ARL ALLEY</small></big><br>
&nbsp=3B<br>
noon SAYAKA YABUKI&nbsp=3B newbie<br>
12:30 LINDSEY WALKER <br>
1:00 MATT DAVIGNON <br>
1:30 CRAIG McCOLLOUGH <br>
2:00 GUSTAF FJELSTROM<br>
2:30 DAN ROBBINS<br>
3:00 GEORGE DEMAREST<br>
3:30 BILL PRICHARD <br>
4:00 JRJ (JOHN JOHNSON)<br>
4:30 MIKE CRAIN<br>
5:00 UCCELLO PROJECT<br>
5:30 <b>LAUREL MURPHY &amp=3B RYAN SLEMKO</b> (Canada)<br>
<br>
DINNER BREAK<br>
<br>
7:00 PLANET LOOP<br>
7:30 <b>ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE BRAINDEAD</b> (Germany)<br>
8:00 ARIANE CAP<br>
8:30 <b>ANDRE DONAWA</b> (Barbados) <br>
9:00 <b>ONYX ASHANTI </b>(Germany)<br>
9:30 <b>PREMONITION FACTORY</b> (Belgium)<br>
10:00 DANIEL THOMAS<br>
10:30 <b>ART SIMON </b>(USA)<br>
11:00 <b>JAY ROBINSON</b> (Canada)<br>
<br>
<big><b>MONDAY=2C&nbsp=3B OCTOBER 19th&nbsp=3B <br>
</b>WALNUT STREET CAFE&nbsp=3B<b> </b><small>106 WALNUT AVENUE</small><b><b=
r>
</b>noon- 3:00 p.m.<b><br>
Annual After Festival Loopers Brunch<br>
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  <big>META MUSIC</big>&nbsp; 320 CENTER STREET<br>
  <br>
7:30 BOB AMSTADT<br>
8:00 CHRIS COHN<br>
BREAK<br>
9:00 PETER COR<br>
9:30 SHOVELMAN (ISAAC FRANKLE)<br>
  <br>
  <b><big>FRIDAY,&nbsp; OCTOBER 16th&nbsp; ($10.00)<br>
  </big></b><big>PEARL ALLEY STUDIOS <small>120 PEARL ALLEY<br>
  <br>
  </small><u><i><b>HEADLINERS CONCERT</b></i></u></big><br>
8:00 WORLD TECHNOLOGY PREMIERS (Rick Walker)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (in Video and Live Looping)<br>
8:45&nbsp; <b>JIM THOMAS</b> (leader of the MERMEN)(USA)<br>
9:45&nbsp;<b> MICHAEL PETERS </b>(Germany)<br>
10:30<b> KALIMBA MAN (aka KEVIN SPEARS) </b>(USA)<br>
  <br>
  <b><big>SATURDAY, OCTOBER 17th&nbsp; ($10.00)<br>
  </big></b><big>PEARL ALLEY STUDIOS </big><big><small>120 PEARL ALLEY</small></big><br>
  <big><br>
  <b><u><small>FEATURED PERFORMERS IN BOLD</small></u><br>
  </b></big><br>
noon ORGANAMATRONIC newbie<br>
12:30 CHRIS PRESTON newbie<br>
1:00 CPR<br>
1:30 JACK SCHULTZ<br>
2:00 GLENN SMITH <br>
2:30 JD DEVROS<br>
3:00 TY GOTT&nbsp; <br>
3:30 JIM GOODIN&nbsp; <br>
4:00 DARYL SHAWN<br>
4:30 STANOSAUR<br>
5:00&nbsp; TED KILLIAN<br>
5:30 NADIA SHIHAB<br>
  <br>
&nbsp;DINNER BREAK<br>
  <br>
7:00 ELECTROFUNKADELICA<br>
7:30 CHRIS CASWELL<br>
8:00 <b>LILI LEWIS </b>(USA)<br>
8:30 <b>NAT GRANT</b> (Australia)<br>
9:00 <b>DAVID COOPER ORTON</b> (England)<br>
9:30 <b>ANDRE ALDRIDGE </b>(Canada)<br>
10:00 <b>WARREN SIROTA </b>(USA)<br>
10:30 BILL WALKER<br>
11:00 <b>KEVIN KISSINGER</b> (USA)<br>
11:30 TRAVIS JOHNS<br>
  <br>
  <br>
  <b><big>SUNDAY, OCTOBER 18th&nbsp; ($10.00)<br>
  </big></b><big>PEARL ALLEY STUDIOS&nbsp;&nbsp; </big><big><small>120 PEARL
ALLEY</small></big><br>
&nbsp;<br>
noon SAYAKA YABUKI&nbsp; newbie<br>
12:30 LINDSEY WALKER <br>
1:00 MATT DAVIGNON <br>
1:30 CRAIG McCOLLOUGH <br>
2:00 GUSTAF FJELSTROM<br>
2:30 DAN ROBBINS<br>
3:00 GEORGE DEMAREST<br>
3:30 BILL PRICHARD <br>
4:00 JRJ (JOHN JOHNSON)<br>
4:30 MIKE CRAIN<br>
5:00 UCCELLO PROJECT<br>
5:30 <b>LAUREL MURPHY &amp; RYAN SLEMKO</b> (Canada)<br>
  <br>
DINNER BREAK<br>
  <br>
7:00 PLANET LOOP<br>
7:30 <b>ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE BRAINDEAD</b> (Germany)<br>
8:00 ARIANE CAP<br>
8:30 <b>ANDRE DONAWA</b> (Barbados) <br>
9:00 <b>ONYX ASHANTI </b>(Germany)<br>
9:30 <b>PREMONITION FACTORY</b> (Belgium)<br>
10:00 DANIEL THOMAS<br>
10:30 <b>ART SIMON </b>(USA)<br>
11:00 <b>JAY ROBINSON</b> (Canada)<br>
  <br>
  <big><b>MONDAY,&nbsp; OCTOBER 19th&nbsp; <br>
  </b>WALNUT STREET CAFE&nbsp;<b> </b><small>106 WALNUT AVENUE</small><b><br>
  </b>noon- 3:00 p.m.<b><br>
Annual After Festival Loopers Brunch<br>
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i think the rule is: there is no rule.
it's what sounds good to you.
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if you think of most multi-effects devices they go: wah/compression option-=
-amp/distortion--modulation option--delay option--reverb option...
=A0
but some effects boxes are very programmable and you can put things in what=
ever order you like.. i don't have any of those, but i do have:
=A0
three (3) multi-effects in my chain: adrenalinn 2, zoom g2, digitech rp150,=
 so i've got options-i like options (i probably have too much REVERB going =
at once!). all of those are before my main loopers-behringer tweakalizer & =
boss rc20, after the loopers i have a lexicon mx200 (my main reverb) (altho=
ugh i should note my main glitching loops are the digitech's 5 sec of delay=
).
=A0
when i 1st stumbled on looping back in '01 and had my 1st multi-effects box=
 (digitech rp100 & a dod d12 was my looper-12 sec of loops)-i loved messing=
 around w/ the presets while setting up a loop-say a clean guitar for a bit=
, then a bit of some distorted guitar w/ different reverb setting, etc...i =
always thought it sounded cool, but back then i was recording a ton of stuf=
f on my new to me,tascam 4-track, nowadays if i get=A030 min of playing in =
i feel lucky!!! but all my reverb options were pre loop, and yes, it can cr=
eate jarring effects, but i liked that. then when i got a digitech dsp256xl=
 -i thought i was was in reverb heaven!!!!!
happy hunting as they say....
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>i think the rule is: there is no rule.</=
DIV>
<DIV>it's what sounds good to you.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>if you think of most multi-effects devices they go: wah/compression op=
tion--amp/distortion--modulation option--delay option--reverb option...</DI=
V>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>but some effects boxes are very programmable and you can put things in=
 whatever order you like.. i don't have any of those, but i do have:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>three (3) multi-effects in my chain: adrenalinn 2, zoom g2, digitech r=
p150, so i've got options-i like options (i probably have too much REVERB g=
oing at once!). all of those are before my main loopers-behringer tweakaliz=
er &amp; boss rc20, after the loopers i have a lexicon mx200 (my main rever=
b) (although i should note my main glitching loops are the digitech's 5 sec=
 of delay).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>when i 1st stumbled on looping back in '01 and had my 1st multi-effect=
s box (digitech rp100 &amp; a dod d12 was my looper-12 sec of loops)-i love=
d messing around w/ the presets while setting up a loop-say a clean guitar =
for a bit, then a bit of some distorted guitar w/ different reverb setting,=
 etc...i always thought it sounded cool, but back then i was recording a to=
n of stuff on my new to me,tascam 4-track, nowadays if i get&nbsp;30 min of=
 playing in i feel lucky!!! but all my reverb options were pre loop, and ye=
s, it can create jarring effects, but i liked that. then when i got a digit=
ech dsp256xl -i thought i was was in reverb heaven!!!!!</DIV>
<DIV>happy hunting as they say....</DIV>
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/scotthansen</A></DIV></td></tr></table><br>=0A=0A      
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aloha

can anyone recommend a looper that I can increase the tempo on after I have
recorded the initial loops?  my RC-50 doesn't handle this very well...

thanks!

michael

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aloha<br><br>can anyone recommend a looper that I can increase the tempo on=
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is very well...<br><br>thanks!<br><br>michael<br><br>

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All of my effects run pre-looper, though I can appreciate all the reasons
why one might put effects post loops, particularly if the looper had aux
outputs like the Lp-1 does so that you could run a loop or group of loops to
an effects unit, for specialized processing.  I might do that someday if I
ever break down and buy a POG or something like it. I find it easier to
manage my loops if I print the effect to the loop rather than post loop
process.  One reason I like putting my reverb before the looper is I like
what happens to big reverb sounds when putting loops in reverse, the reverb
will naturally achieve a gated reverse reverb sound as will other effects
like delay.  Also, since I like to vary the amount and depth of the reverb I
find putting it post looper less manageable,  as what might be appropriate
for one loop reverb-wise, may not be appropriate for all of my loops, making
things too muddy. I have a dedicated expression pedal controlling the depth
of reverb which isn't possible with most pedal reverb units.  Well I guess
with a volume pedal and some king of signal splitter you could .I really
appreciate this level of control over reverb depth as it allows me to have
continually varying amounts of reverb. I could for example, bloom the reverb
just on the decay of melodic notes , or rapidly deploy reverb burst to
create  gated reverb effects while playing percussively.

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the
looper had aux outputs like the Lp-1 does so that you could run a loop =
or group
of loops to an effects unit, for specialized processing. &nbsp;I might =
do that
someday if I ever break down and buy a POG or something like it. I find =
it
easier to manage my loops if I print the effect to the loop rather than =
post
loop process. &nbsp;One reason I like putting my reverb before the =
looper is I
like what happens to big reverb sounds when putting loops in reverse, =
the
reverb will naturally achieve a gated reverse reverb sound as will other
effects like delay. &nbsp;Also, since I like to vary the amount and =
depth of
the reverb I find putting it post looper less manageable, &nbsp;as what =
might
be appropriate for one loop reverb-wise, may not be appropriate for all =
of my
loops, making things too muddy. I have a dedicated expression pedal =
controlling
the depth of reverb which isn&#8217;t possible with most pedal reverb =
units. &nbsp;Well
I guess with a volume pedal and some king of signal splitter you could =
.I
really appreciate this level of control over reverb depth as it allows =
me to
have continually varying amounts of reverb. I could for example, bloom =
the reverb
just on the decay of melodic notes , or rapidly deploy reverb burst to =
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FRO DIDDLY asked:

"i have never attended a y2k but a question i have is that i noticed 
almost every time sot is 30min- with no extra time dedicated to 
changeovers....in years past, how long do the performers usually get to 
play? as i would imagine 10-20min of that 30min block having to be 
dedicated to setup/tear down-
or do you backline gear some how? or multiple stages?"

You really should come see the festival (and perform at it next year at 
Y2K-X which will be the tenth anniversary of
us doing big looping festivals in Santa Cruz)

Now for your question:

Each artist has 30 minutes to play.       Here's how we pull that 
miraculous feat off:


We have two stages, side by side that both use the same board which is 
in between the two stages
with no backline gear.

While someone performs in real time at the stage next to them, every 
artist has 20 minutes to set up ,
completely silently,  aided by the engineer and headphones.

This means each artist has to have a festival setup:   something simple 
and easy to put up and that sends out, usually,  a stereo
feed to the board (which is right next to where you are playing).

I introduce the acts for 20-30 seconds and each act has about 29 minutes 
and 30 seconds to perform.

Then each artist has exactly 10 minutes maximum to completely silently 
evacuate the stage.

While the stage one artist performs,   the stage two artist sets up 
before and breaks down afterwards.

Amazingly,  we have been on schedule with up to 55 artists over two 12 
hour day/nights for every single
festival.

It shouldn't work but all artists are on the same page and are all 
respectful and helpful.

It's a system that I've become very, very proud of and it allows us to 
have as large and inclusive a festival as ever.

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hi Michael,
The only device that could do that in a way that people liked
was the now obsolete Repeater ( I can't say I personally
endorse that feature, it *was* somewhat unusual sounding).
Otherwise the sound of the time stretching is usually 
not good enough for anyone.


Best way is to have a looper that allows instant re-record,
and then re-play the line a bit faster.
(RC-50 doesn't handle that well either afaik, but I
 think it's possible to start re-recording with 2 button presses).




If you don't mind the pitch increasing with the tempo, there's
a couple of options out there.

Or, if a tempo change of a whole octave (2x) is what you're
after, a number of devices offer that.

andy butler 
 

michael wall wrote:
> aloha
> 
> can anyone recommend a looper that I can increase the tempo on after I 
> have recorded the initial loops?  my RC-50 doesn't handle this very well...
> 
> thanks!
> 
> michael
> 

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I tend to use reverb anywhere in the signal chain, all  to achieve different
results. But for me the most useful position is before the looper so I can
work the reverb in real-time to create variation in the loops I build.

Greetings from Sweden

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Interesting thread. I prefer to work with fully controllable
pre-looper effects to create interesting textures, drones and I use
the looper to record snippets of that, change speed, reverse it,
feedback fade-in/out etc. I never used post-looper effects so far. For
me, the question is not where to put the reverb but how much reverb I
want to have in the mix in combination with pre-looper delays. In my
current setup, the routing looks like this:

Instrument + FX => pre-loopers => looper

The instrument might be a mic with or a synth patch with it's own
insert effects like EQ, compression, a little reverb etc and these
aren't changed during a performance. The pre-loopers however are fully
midi controllable and exists of 3 delays in series and a long bright
reverb.

Instrument + FX  => delay 1 => delay 2 => delay 3 => reverb => looper

For each of them I have a fader to control the mix of the effect and a
few buttons and knobs to control parameters like sync, delay time. The
character of each of the pre-looper effects differs a lot and this
gives me the flexibility to choose from different atmospheres. Also
important, the pre-loopers are panned differently.

Bottomline: depending on which pre-looper delays are active, the
reverb is post-pre-loop or pre-loop but never post-loop ;-)

-- 
Sjaak Overgaauw
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Buzap Buzap wrote:
> Hi folks
> 
> I was always wondering: where do you place your reverb(s) in your looper/effect chain?


Here's what worked for me so far.

After the speakers :-)

Quite often the venue itself has a pretty good reverb.
(if I have recordings, I usually try to artificially re-create
 the reverb from the venue)

If I'm playing through a pa associated with the venue 
the last thing I'd want is reverb to take away the clarity
of the sound. 
Reverb works good with a hi-fi sound, but not through the 
average pa.

I never had people comment on a dry sound, except if
they heard an untreated recording.

Delays can work like reverb, but sound better if the pa is poor/harsh.




> 
> I have the following more specific questions:
> - Could it make sense to put a general reverb _after_ the looper?

Yes, 

> - Does reverb cause trouble in post-looper fx processing?

it shouldn't

> - Does it work out to chain reverbs after another (i.e. additional reverb on background vocals)?

yes, 
may even make a more *expensive* sounding reverb

> - How do you bring together delay and reverb in your fx chain - if at all?

if I add a reverb to my rig it'll be the last thing in the chain,
with a 3 possible settings( at least)
1) short decay, low volume. To thicken the sound without the obvious sound of reverb
2) long decay fx. For specific types of playing only.
   
sound wise, delay before reverb is no different to reverb before delay,
(as long as the 'verb isn't gated, and the delay isn't ducking)

Adding a bit of delay to a reverbed sound works well, I used 
to do that for recording when I only had a springline reverb(fixed time).




> 
> Would like to hear your general ideas related to reverb + looping. 


For what you want, you could put a reverb at the end of the chain, and
add a bit of delay pre-loop to the backing vocals.
With a bit of effort it could sound like the the backing vox
just have a longer/louder reverb than the other elements.



Hope this is of interest.
andy butler


> best regards
> Buzap
> 
> 

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m best when they come after.



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<div>I have put reverb/effects before and after my loops and I think I lik=
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<div>=3D-) PJ<br>
<br>
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Mee too.
I use reverbs pre and post loop.
Before the loop I like to adjust deep-size etc.. depending by
what I'm playing.
Reverb Post loop is used just to 'hard' change the shape of
my track-loop (not all the playing loops)

Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com

Il giorno 22/set/2009, alle ore 11.13, pjbmhb@aol.com ha scritto:

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> like them best when they come after.
>
> =3D-) PJ
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>
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> Hi folks
>
> I was always wondering: where do you place your reverb(s) in your =20
> looper/effect
> chain?
>
> I have the following more specific questions:
> - Could it make sense to put a general reverb _after_ the looper?
> - Does reverb cause trouble in post-looper fx processing?
> - Does it work out to chain reverbs after another (i.e. additional =20
> reverb on
> background vocals)?
> - How do you bring together delay and reverb in your fx chain - if =20
> at all?
>
> Would like to hear your general ideas related to reverb + looping. =20
> Probably this
> topic is more related to software looping with it's routing options =20=

> - and CPU
> limitations.
>
> best regards
> Buzap
>
>
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<html><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Mee too.</div><div>I use reverbs =
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Post loop is used just to 'hard' change the shape of</div><div>my =
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<div>I have put reverb/effects before and after my loops and I think I =
like them best when they come after.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>=3D-) PJ<br>
<br>
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I have the following more specific questions:
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Thanks for all the answers, people :-)

So, to sum it, it really seems like:
> i think the rule is: there is no rule.

I actually thought there'd be technical problems when two reverbs overlap. Sort of like a flanger sound due to phases (do reverbs have phases?). But doesn't seem to be a problem (for me neither).

I liked Andy's answer best:
>After the speakers :-)
Indeed, sometimes I just add very short delay to keep the sound present. 

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Quoting eterogeneo <eterogenus@gmail.com>:
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>>
>> I have the following more specific questions:
>> - Could it make sense to put a general reverb _after_ the looper?
>
Yes, a general reverb-after-the-looper can be used to create the =20
"virtual space" for the music.  When working in surround-sound, I use =20
enough delay that a sound can "fill the space" while retaining its =20
sense of direction.  Incidentally, a delay prior to the reverb helps =20
to localize the sound source even with a lot of reverb.
>
>> - Does reverb cause trouble in post-looper fx processing?
>
The only problem is that every sound is processed with an equal amount =20
of reverb.  If you want a sense of depth, then you likely want some =20
sounds that are "close up" (dry), "medium distance" (wet yet still =20
localized), and "distant" (very wet and non-localized).  You can do =20
this post-looper if your looper has multiple output busses that can be =20
independently sent to the reverb.
>
>> - Does it work out to chain reverbs after another (i.e. additional  =20
>>  reverb on
>> background vocals)?
>
Yes!!!  In addition to a general reverb (post looper and fx) it is =20
handy to have a simple reverb on the input strip.  As such, the simple =20
reverb can be used as an effect.
>
>> - How do you bring together delay and reverb in your fx chain - if  at al=
l?
>>
>
If I want an extremely "wet" reverb -- that is, where the sound kind =20
of "floats" in the air with no discernable source point, then I don't =20
delay the sound before applying reverb.   If I want an localized (that =20
is, one can hear where it comes from) sound reverberates, then I delay =20
the onset of reverb.  Most reverb plugins have an initial delay =20
feature so you don't have to use a seperate delay to accomplish this.
>
>> Would like to hear your general ideas related to reverb + looping.
>
To apply reverb pre-loop offers some unique opportunities.  When you =20
record a sound with along with the reverb (tail) and reverse the loop, =20
the backwards effect is quite dramatic as well as the change from a =20
reverberated to a "dry" environment.

A possible pitfall of reverb prior to the loop is that you may =20
inadvertantly catch a reverb tail when you punch in to the loop.  =20
Again, this may be your desired effect and may not be a problem.

With looping, one person may work to avoid the very effect that =20
another will work to achieve!
>
>> Probably this
>> topic is more related to software looping with it's routing options =20
>>   - and CPU
>> limitations.
>
I've been working with Augustus Loop and it contains some fx in the =20
feedback chain -- this is a powerful feature that causes the loop's =20
sound to change with each iteration.  I've not tried to put a reverb =20
in to the feedback loop -- I suspect that to place a reverb in the =20
feedback loop would cause a sound to become wetter with each iteration =20
-- something to try!

-- Kevin

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2 stages, Fro

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If you can handle a software solution:

www.flyloops.com

tempo shifts a bunch of diferent ways (freq shift or bpm splicing,  
master bpm or individual loops/ groups of loops, quantized as straight/ 
triplets/clave/ etc).



On Sep 21, 2009, at 6:30 PM, michael wall wrote:

> aloha
>
> can anyone recommend a looper that I can increase the tempo on after  
> I have recorded the initial loops?  my RC-50 doesn't handle this  
> very well...
>
> thanks!
>
> michael
>

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I actually think that the Memory man with hazari can do this...
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Date: Mon=2C 21 Sep 2009 15:30:56 -1000
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aloha

can anyone recommend a looper that I can increase the tempo on after I have=
 recorded the initial loops?  my RC-50 doesn't handle this very well...

thanks!

michael

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Anders Bergdahl wrote:
> I actually think that the Memory man with hazari can do this...

yup, very badly ;-)
unless you want to also raise the pitch

andy


>  
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:30:56 -1000
> Subject: tempo changes
> From: drum@hawaii.rr.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> 
> aloha
> 
> can anyone recommend a looper that I can increase the tempo on after I 
> have recorded the initial loops?  my RC-50 doesn't handle this very well...
> 
> thanks!
> 
> michael
> 

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Subject: Re: Where do you place Reverb(s)? Pre/Post-Looper?
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i just mostly use pre and for post reverb i use the venues natural one.Is r=
eally easy to start getting lost in mud specially not having good monitors.
cheers
www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> schrieb am Di, 22.9.2009:

> Von: Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>
> Betreff: Re: Where do you place Reverb(s)? Pre/Post-Looper?
> An: "LD" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Datum: Dienstag, 22. September 2009, 2:00
> Interesting thread. I prefer to work
> with fully controllable
> pre-looper effects to create interesting textures, drones
> and I use
> the looper to record snippets of that, change speed,
> reverse it,
> feedback fade-in/out etc. I never used post-looper effects
> so far. For
> me, the question is not where to put the reverb but how
> much reverb I
> want to have in the mix in combination with pre-looper
> delays. In my
> current setup, the routing looks like this:
>=20
> Instrument + FX =3D> pre-loopers =3D> looper
>=20
> The instrument might be a mic with or a synth patch with
> it's own
> insert effects like EQ, compression, a little reverb etc
> and these
> aren't changed during a performance. The pre-loopers
> however are fully
> midi controllable and exists of 3 delays in series and a
> long bright
> reverb.
>=20
> Instrument + FX=A0 =3D> delay 1 =3D> delay 2 =3D>
> delay 3 =3D> reverb =3D> looper
>=20
> For each of them I have a fader to control the mix of the
> effect and a
> few buttons and knobs to control parameters like sync,
> delay time. The
> character of each of the pre-looper effects differs a lot
> and this
> gives me the flexibility to choose from different
> atmospheres. Also
> important, the pre-loopers are panned differently.
>=20
> Bottomline: depending on which pre-looper delays are
> active, the
> reverb is post-pre-loop or pre-loop but never post-loop
> ;-)
>=20
> --=20
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>=20
> =0A=0A=0A      

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> Date: Tue=2C 22 Sep 2009 21:28:03 +0100
> From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: tempo changes
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> Anders Bergdahl wrote:
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> > Date: Mon=2C 21 Sep 2009 15:30:56 -1000
> > Subject: tempo changes
> > From: drum@hawaii.rr.com
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >=20
> > aloha
> >=20
> > can anyone recommend a looper that I can increase the tempo on after I=
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> > thanks!
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Alexandre, very cool piece! welcome.

I'll be coming to Vancouver on tour in a few weeks, playing a looping 
set at an interesting venue called the Vinegar Factory on the 10th. 
Would be fun to meet while I'm there, if you're around.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com

>>>
>>> And also I would like to know if there's anyone from Vancouver, BC, on
>>> the list. I know that the looping scene is going well in Europe and
>>> the U.S., but I don't know about here in Canada, it would be good to
>>> know some people from here to share some music thoughts!

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yo Brosky!
Im writing you because i know you use both of this and might know the answe=
r better than i do.
anyway,im currently using the FCB1010 with the UnO software.
Since i am staring to do a lot of syncronization with the
Adrenalinn drum box and mobius i am
suffering from little limitations so instead of getting an external sequenc=
er ive been checking
out foot controllers that could perhaps do what i want by sending certain s=
imple midi messages.
Mobius like The EDP has some really cool midi features like the"midi mute s=
witch quant" which will stop both the drum machine and the looper and
restart them again at the end of the loop to create a cool break and so on.
however when i use the drum machine as the master which i prefer lately a l=
ot of this is not possible to accomplish with either mobius or the drum mac=
hine.
So my question is,how advance or programable is Gordius to
send such comands to control both devices on separate chanels?=20
can the little giant act as a sort of small sequencer to send things like s=
tart/stop,restart drum machine at then end of a loop etc. commands?=20
if u ever get a chance to try this let me know!
thanx man
cheers
Luis
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ah this post was meant for Sjaak but if anybody knows the answer let me kno=
w!
thoguh i sent the same mail to Andy but using the EDP instead of mobius.
thanx
Luis

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> schrieb am Di, 22.9.2009:

> Von: L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>
> Betreff: using gordius with mobius and a drum machine
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Dienstag, 22. September 2009, 16:55
> yo Brosky!
> Im writing you because i know you use both of this and
> might know the answer better than i do.
> anyway,im currently using the FCB1010 with the UnO
> software.
> Since i am staring to do a lot of syncronization with the
> Adrenalinn drum box and mobius i am
> suffering from little limitations so instead of getting an
> external sequencer ive been checking
> out foot controllers that could perhaps do what i want by
> sending certain simple midi messages.
> Mobius like The EDP has some really cool midi features like
> the"midi mute switch quant" which will stop both the drum
> machine and the looper and
> restart them again at the end of the loop to create a cool
> break and so on.
> however when i use the drum machine as the master which i
> prefer lately a lot of this is not possible to accomplish
> with either mobius or the drum machine.
> So my question is,how advance or programable is Gordius to
> send such comands to control both devices on separate
> chanels?=20
> can the little giant act as a sort of small sequencer to
> send things like start/stop,restart drum machine at then end
> of a loop etc. commands?=20
> if u ever get a chance to try this let me know!
> thanx man
> cheers
> Luis
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hi Luis,
the Gordius LG is capable of an awful lot.
It'll send any number of commands each with a specified channel.
It's also possible to 
a) use it as midi clock (tap time or preset)
b) sync it to a midi clock! 
c) program delays into the stream of midi commands that are based on midi timing.
So it functions as a mini sequencer if that's required, it can
even loop a series of commands.

The one thing it can't do is wait to the end of a bar to send a command.

Interestingly, I also had it programmed to operate my 2 edps either together or
independently. Not been able to do that before.


andy butler








L.Angulo wrote:
> yo Brosky!
> Im writing you because i know you use both of this and might know the answer better than i do.
> anyway,im currently using the FCB1010 with the UnO software.
> Since i am staring to do a lot of syncronization with the
> Adrenalinn drum box and mobius i am
> suffering from little limitations so instead of getting an external sequencer ive been checking
> out foot controllers that could perhaps do what i want by sending certain simple midi messages.
> Mobius like The EDP has some really cool midi features like the"midi mute switch quant" which will stop both the drum machine and the looper and
> restart them again at the end of the loop to create a cool break and so on.
> however when i use the drum machine as the master which i prefer lately a lot of this is not possible to accomplish with either mobius or the drum machine.
> So my question is,how advance or programable is Gordius to
> send such comands to control both devices on separate chanels? 
> can the little giant act as a sort of small sequencer to send things like start/stop,restart drum machine at then end of a loop etc. commands? 
> if u ever get a chance to try this let me know!
> thanx man
> cheers
> Luis
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
> 

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Hi Luis,
I think Andy covered most of the issues already. Compare the Gordius
with the next generation Space Shuttle, and the FCB1010 with the
Apollo 13 ;-) Just kidding, but it's very flexible and the it's
especially powerful in building your own stream of midi commands on
different midi channels, no problem.

>> So my question is,how advance or programable is Gordius to
>> send such comands to control both devices on separate chanels? can the
>> little giant act as a sort of small sequencer to send things like
>> start/stop,restart drum machine at then end of a loop etc. commands?

Hmmm...end of loop is the issue to solve because the Gordius doesn't
know what's going on in the looper.

The solution might be to make both Mobius and the drumcomputer midi
slave and make the Gordius the master and use the build-int tap tempo
on the Gordius to generate midi clock. So if you then program a patch
on the Gordius which sends stop messages to both the dc and Mobius and
if you make sure Mobius uses track sync (loop), it should work...I
think.
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On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> wrote:
> The solution might be to make both Mobius and the drumcomputer midi
> slave and make the Gordius the master and use the build-int tap tempo
> on the Gordius to generate midi clock. So if you then program a patch
> on the Gordius which sends stop messages to both the dc and Mobius and
> if you make sure Mobius uses track sync (loop), it should work...I
> think.

I was just thinking: this doesn't work if you want the dc and Mobius
to stop simultaniously. But why don't you loop the dc into Mobius?
That's what I did in the past with using dc's and the lp1. Does Mobius
have a "midi rec/sync" function like the lp1? That the feature you
need here because then you will be sure the looped dc will be recorded
in sync with the midi clock.
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ok but to be more specific:(assuming the edp is being slaved)=0A=0Acould it=
 simulate the muteQuantMIDI start song that the EDP does when being the mas=
ter?=0Acould it simulate the QuantMIDI start song?=0Acould it start and sto=
p both devices and keep them synced?=0Aor either one and restart them while=
 still being synced?=0A=0A> Interestingly, I also had it programmed to oper=
ate my 2=0A> edps either together or=0A> independently. Not been able to do=
 that before.=0A=0Athat sounds awesome!though ive stopped using both in ste=
reo because they still drift out of sync over a short period of time=0Athe =
one thing i dont particulary like about gordius is the way the buttons are =
layed out maybe he could put the guts into an FCB1010;-)=0Athanx mate=0ALui=
s=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulo=
com=0A=0A=0A--- andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> schrieb am Mi, 23.9.20=
09:=0A=0A> Von: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>=0A> Betreff: Re: using=
 gordius with mobius and a drum machine=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-del=
ight.com=0A> Datum: Mittwoch, 23. September 2009, 1:09=0A> hi Luis,=0A> the=
 Gordius LG is capable of an awful lot.=0A> It'll send any number of comman=
ds each with a specified=0A> channel.=0A> It's also possible to a) use it a=
s midi clock (tap time or=0A> preset)=0A> b) sync it to a midi clock! c) pr=
ogram delays into the=0A> stream of midi commands that are based on midi ti=
ming.=0A> So it functions as a mini sequencer if that's required, it=0A> ca=
n=0A> even loop a series of commands.=0A> =0A> The one thing it can't do is=
 wait to the end of a bar to=0A> send a command.=0A> =0A> Interestingly, I =
also had it programmed to operate my 2=0A> edps either together or=0A> inde=
pendently. Not been able to do that before.=0A> =0A> =0A> andy butler=0A> =
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> L.Angulo wrote:=0A> > yo Brosky!=0A=
> > Im writing you because i know you use both of this and=0A> might know t=
he answer better than i do.=0A> > anyway,im currently using the FCB1010 wit=
h the UnO=0A> software.=0A> > Since i am staring to do a lot of syncronizat=
ion with=0A> the=0A> > Adrenalinn drum box and mobius i am=0A> > suffering =
from little limitations so instead of=0A> getting an external sequencer ive=
 been checking=0A> > out foot controllers that could perhaps do what i want=
=0A> by sending certain simple midi messages.=0A> > Mobius like The EDP has=
 some really cool midi features=0A> like the"midi mute switch quant" which =
will stop both the=0A> drum machine and the looper and=0A> > restart them a=
gain at the end of the loop to create a=0A> cool break and so on.=0A> > how=
ever when i use the drum machine as the master=0A> which i prefer lately a =
lot of this is not possible to=0A> accomplish with either mobius or the dru=
m machine.=0A> > So my question is,how advance or programable is=0A> Gordiu=
s to=0A> > send such comands to control both devices on separate=0A> chanel=
s? can the little giant act as a sort of small=0A> sequencer to send things=
 like start/stop,restart drum=0A> machine at then end of a loop etc. comman=
ds? if u ever get a=0A> chance to try this let me know!=0A> > thanx man=0A>=
 > cheers=0A> > Luis=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> >=A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0=0A> > =0A>=
 =0A> =0A=0A=0A      

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hmmm,well we are getting closer yes that sounds like it would work!=0Aman i=
 just wish it was a little cheaper im complelty broke at the moment;-((=0Ac=
heers=0ALuis=0A> =0A> The solution might be to make both Mobius and the=0A>=
 drumcomputer midi=0A> slave and make the Gordius the master and use the bu=
ild-int=0A> tap tempo=0A> on the Gordius to generate midi clock. So if you =
then=0A> program a patch=0A> on the Gordius which sends stop messages to bo=
th the dc and=0A> Mobius and=0A> if you make sure Mobius uses track sync (l=
oop), it should=0A> work...I=0A> think.=0A> -- =0A> Sjaak Overgaauw=0A> htt=
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> > The solution might be to make both Mobius and the=0A> drumcomputer midi=
=0A> > slave and make the Gordius the master and use the=0A> build-int tap =
tempo=0A> > on the Gordius to generate midi clock. So if you then=0A> progr=
am a patch=0A> > on the Gordius which sends stop messages to both the=0A> d=
c and Mobius and=0A> > if you make sure Mobius uses track sync (loop), it=
=0A> should work...I=0A> > think.=0A> I was just thinking: this doesn't wor=
k if you want the dc=0A> and Mobius=0A> to stop simultaniously. But why don=
't you loop the dc into=0A> Mobius?=0A> That's what I did in the past with =
using dc's and the lp1.=0A> Does Mobius=0A> have a "midi rec/sync" function=
 like the lp1? That the=0A> feature you=0A> need here because then you will=
 be sure the looped dc will=0A> be recorded=0A> in sync with the midi clock=
.=0A=0Awell i was doing this in the past which was cool in many ways but i =
always had to send a stop comand to the DC so it wouldnt keep runing with i=
ts own looped grooved but no problem, however when recording the second tra=
ck the DC would restart again and... it starts getting a bit tedious;-( =0A=
though i did like to loop the DC as well to proccess it by changing its spe=
ed, reverse it etc.=0Athe other problem when the DC is looped is not being =
able to change groove drum patches,while my guitar loops are runing if i ke=
ep the DC synced only i can also change grooves to keep it less monotonus..=
.=0Acheers=0ALuis=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A> -- =0A> Sjaak Overgaauw=0A> http://=
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com/=0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A      

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thanx Jeff this is also an idea,maybe even using things like switch quant t=
he mute button can wait and unmute the loop exactly synced with the drumach=
ine,hmmm have to try that...=0ALuis=0A=0A=0A> =0A> Something else that migh=
t be interesting is routing =0A> the Adrenelinn's audio into a Mobius track=
 that does=0A> nothing but route it immediately to an output port.=A0=0A> Y=
ou're=0A> not looping the Adrenelinn but you can use the track input=0A> le=
vel to play with the volume, "muting" the Adrenelinn by=0A> turning the lev=
el to 0 and back up as an alternative=0A> to starting and stopping it.=0A> =
=0A> Jeff=0A> =0A=0A=0A      

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> the one thing i dont particulary like about gordius is the way the buttons are layed out maybe he could put the guts into an FCB1010;-)

Isn't that what the LG Module is for?  I don't know if all the
features are the same, might be worth checking out if you already have
a FCB1010

http://www.gordius.be/midi-footcontroller-lgm.php

Sylvain

On 9/23/09, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ok but to be more specific:(assuming the edp is being slaved)
>
> could it simulate the muteQuantMIDI start song that the EDP does when being the master?
> could it simulate the QuantMIDI start song?
> could it start and stop both devices and keep them synced?
> or either one and restart them while still being synced?
>
> > Interestingly, I also had it programmed to operate my 2
> > edps either together or
> > independently. Not been able to do that before.
>
> that sounds awesome!though ive stopped using both in stereo because they still drift out of sync over a short period of time
> the one thing i dont particulary like about gordius is the way the buttons are layed out maybe he could put the guts into an FCB1010;-)
> thanx mate
> Luis
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> --- andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> schrieb am Mi, 23.9.2009:
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> > Von: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
> > Betreff: Re: using gordius with mobius and a drum machine
> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Datum: Mittwoch, 23. September 2009, 1:09
> > hi Luis,
> > the Gordius LG is capable of an awful lot.
> > It'll send any number of commands each with a specified
> > channel.
> > It's also possible to a) use it as midi clock (tap time or
> > preset)
> > b) sync it to a midi clock! c) program delays into the
> > stream of midi commands that are based on midi timing.
> > So it functions as a mini sequencer if that's required, it
> > can
> > even loop a series of commands.
> >
> > The one thing it can't do is wait to the end of a bar to
> > send a command.
> >
> > Interestingly, I also had it programmed to operate my 2
> > edps either together or
> > independently. Not been able to do that before.
> >
> >
> > andy butler
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> > L.Angulo wrote:
> > > yo Brosky!
> > > Im writing you because i know you use both of this and
> > might know the answer better than i do.
> > > anyway,im currently using the FCB1010 with the UnO
> > software.
> > > Since i am staring to do a lot of syncronization with
> > the
> > > Adrenalinn drum box and mobius i am
> > > suffering from little limitations so instead of
> > getting an external sequencer ive been checking
> > > out foot controllers that could perhaps do what i want
> > by sending certain simple midi messages.
> > > Mobius like The EDP has some really cool midi features
> > like the"midi mute switch quant" which will stop both the
> > drum machine and the looper and
> > > restart them again at the end of the loop to create a
> > cool break and so on.
> > > however when i use the drum machine as the master
> > which i prefer lately a lot of this is not possible to
> > accomplish with either mobius or the drum machine.
> > > So my question is,how advance or programable is
> > Gordius to
> > > send such comands to control both devices on separate
> > chanels? can the little giant act as a sort of small
> > sequencer to send things like start/stop,restart drum
> > machine at then end of a loop etc. commands? if u ever get a
> > chance to try this let me know!
> > > thanx man
> > > cheers
> > > Luis
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On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Sylvain Poitras
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> Isn't that what the LG Module is for? =A0I don't know if all the
> features are the same, might be worth checking out if you already have
> a FCB1010
>
> http://www.gordius.be/midi-footcontroller-lgm.php

Yes it is :) The module has the same specs as the LG or BG, only the
housing differs.
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I've installed 2.0.1 and the good news is that the CPU usage is much
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thanks for the heads-up. i don't think i'm going to switch this close
to the festival, but that is good news indeed.

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've installed 2.0.1 and the good news is that the CPU usage is much
> lower. New feature: I don't use the MS looper but it can now set the
> tempo of mainstage.
>
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL941
>
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L.Angulo wrote:
> ok but to be more specific:(assuming the edp is being slaved)
> 
> could it simulate the muteQuantMIDI start song that the EDP does when being the master?
> could it simulate the QuantMIDI start song?
> could it start and stop both devices and keep them synced?
> or either one and restart them while still being synced?
> 
>> Interestingly, I also had it programmed to operate my 2
>> edps either together or
>> independently. Not been able to do that before.
> 
> that sounds awesome!though ive stopped using both in stereo because they still drift out of sync over a short period of time
> the one thing i dont particulary like about gordius is the way the buttons are layed out maybe he could put the guts into an FCB1010;-)
> thanx mate
> Luis

I had Xavier swap the buttons round on my LG to give a layout
more like what I was used to on the fcb.
(although he left it up to me to drill the holes needed to get the
LEDs in the right place).
I think he's planning to make the layout user configurable in
the next hardware version.


> 
> 

> ok but to be more specific:(assuming the edp is being slaved)
> 
> could it simulate the muteQuantMIDI start song that the EDP does when being the master?
> could it simulate the QuantMIDI start song?
> could it start and stop both devices and keep them synced?
> or either one and restart them while still being synced?


the LG can't do Quantise.

why not just re-start both devices together with your foot?

andy




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Hi Luis

Yeah, Mobius scripts sounds like a pretty good idea.

Have you looked at MidiPipe?
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/audio/midipipe.html

I'm starting to appreciate this tool more and more...

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Hi Sjaak

> I've installed 2.0.1 and the good news is that the CPU usage is much
> lower.

Hmmm... I'm surprised... The general feedback in the forums is that MS2 performance causes problems: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2094665

Was there an update to improve this?

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> > I've installed 2.0.1 and the good news is that the CPU usage is much
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> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> Hmmm... I'm surprised... The general feedback in the forums is that MS2
> performance causes problems:
> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2094665
>
>
Yes, I noticed that too (if you are talking about 2.0.0, as your referred
forum post does. Sjaak's post was on 2.0.1.).


> Was there an update to improve this?


Probably 2.0.1 :-))  (but I'm on tour now, using only Logic, and have not
had a chance to check it out since this upgrade came yesterday)

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On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hmmm... I'm surprised... The general feedback in the forums is that MS2 performance causes problems:
> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2094665
> Was there an update to improve this?

2.0.1 fixes the CPU issue regarding automatic feedback detection. I
have installed 2.0.1 and I clearly see lower CPU when using for
example an external audio input. But keep in mind that not every bug
or issue causes problems for everyone, that depends on how you use the
application. My experience: MS2 is at least as stable as MS1 and it
has a few very interesting features and improvements.
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MR.JERRY NTAI. 
MEVAS BANK
QUEEN`S  ROAD 
CENTRAL BRANCH, 
HONG  KONG.

Good Day,

Please kindly accept my apology for sending
you this email without your consent. I believe you
are a highly respected personality, considering the
fact that I sourced your email from the peoples
search database on the web during my discret search
for a foreign partner whom can assist me in taking
this business to it success. Though, I do not know
to what extent you are familiar with events. I have
a proposal for you.This however is not mandatory nor
will I in any manner compel you to honor against
your will, but I hope you will read on and consider
the value I offer.


My name is Mr. Jerry Ntai, I am the Head of Operations
in Mevas Bank, Hong Kong. I have a business
proposal in the tune of  US$25.2m  to be transferred
to an offshore account with your assistance if
willing.


After the successful transfer, we shall share in
ratio of 30% for you and 70% for me. Should you be
interested, please respond to my letter immediately,
so we can commence all arrangements and I will give
you more information on the project and how we would
handle it.

You can contact me on my private email:
( jerryntaionlineprivate2@yahoo.com.hk ) and send me the following information
for documentation purpose:


(1)Full name:
(2)private phone number:
(3)current residential address:
(4)Occupation:
(5)Age and Sex:


I look forward to hearing from you.


Kind Regards,
Mr. Jerry Ntai.

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MR.JERRY NTAI. 
MEVAS BANK
QUEEN`S  ROAD 
CENTRAL BRANCH, 
HONG  KONG.

Good Day,

Please kindly accept my apology for sending
you this email without your consent. I believe you
are a highly respected personality, considering the
fact that I sourced your email from the peoples
search database on the web during my discret search
for a foreign partner whom can assist me in taking
this business to it success. Though, I do not know
to what extent you are familiar with events. I have
a proposal for you.This however is not mandatory nor
will I in any manner compel you to honor against
your will, but I hope you will read on and consider
the value I offer.


My name is Mr. Jerry Ntai, I am the Head of Operations
in Mevas Bank, Hong Kong. I have a business
proposal in the tune of  US$25.2m  to be transferred
to an offshore account with your assistance if
willing.


After the successful transfer, we shall share in
ratio of 30% for you and 70% for me. Should you be
interested, please respond to my letter immediately,
so we can commence all arrangements and I will give
you more information on the project and how we would
handle it.

You can contact me on my private email:
( jerryntaionlineprivate2@yahoo.com.hk ) and send me the following information
for documentation purpose:


(1)Full name:
(2)private phone number:
(3)current residential address:
(4)Occupation:
(5)Age and Sex:


I look forward to hearing from you.


Kind Regards,
Mr. Jerry Ntai.

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AFTERGLOW ON WMUH:                      http://soundscapes.us/afterglow
=======================================================================
Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am (EDT/GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00) every
Thursday morning.  Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical
genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock.  Tune in at 91.7
FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram


GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY:                   http://galactictravels.info
=======================================================================
Tonight at 11 pm (EDT/GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00) on Galactic Travels, I'll
conclude the month-long Special Focus on Ulrich Schnauss.  The Featured
CD at Midnight will be "Goodbye" on Domino Records.  For details, see
the Special Focus page at:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/focus.html#sep

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1
FM.  Listen at http://is.gd/37vNQ on the internet.

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Hello all,

You can watch an excerpt of Christian Fennesz performing for V Sessions. =
It's quite interesting. I'm liking this V Sessions concept. Only =
discovered it this morning.

http://www.thevsessions.com/en/archives.php

Ricky
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sending a stop to both with an FCB1010 single button press is not a problem=
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when it starts getting frustrating because all start song comands on the ED=
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Just posted part one of the improviation that ended up with some qoutes fro=
m "dark en of the street" this part start of with a rock riff but drifts in=
to some thing else=2C more experimental=2C perhaps.. or whate ever:

"Rockin into the dark" > http://soundclick.com/share?songid=3D8133082

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Enjoy=2C coments appriciated..

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Thanks=2C

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Just posted part one of the improviation that ended up with some qoutes fro=
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to some thing else=2C more experimental=2C perhaps.. or whate ever:<BR>
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Hi,
for those of you who are interested I've uploaded on my blog a short clip of
Trope in action.
It's the sequel of "Bloom" but it use more drones and pads and the visuals
are also better.
Lot of fun for generative music addicted !
Her's the link: http://blog-eterogeneo.blogspot.com/


Fabio
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<div>Hi, </div>
<div>for those of you who are interested I&#39;ve uploaded on my blog a sho=
rt clip of Trope in action.</div>
<div>It&#39;s the sequel of &quot;Bloom&quot; but it use more drones and pa=
ds and the visuals are also better.</div>
<div>Lot of fun for generative music addicted !</div>
<div>Her&#39;s the link: <a href=3D"http://blog-eterogeneo.blogspot.com/">h=
ttp://blog-eterogeneo.blogspot.com/</a></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Fabio</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/">www.eterogeneo.com</a></div>

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pt;"><div>Hi, I'm new and joined to hopefully get some help on my live loop=
ing rig.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure if I should get one of the l=
oop boxes (custom A/B/Y type) or go with a mixer. here's what I want to do:=
<br><br>I
have a boomerang looper pedal. I have some guitar pedal effects that
will be before the 'rang in an effects loop. I want to loop an acoustic
guitar and 2 vocal mics.<br><br>I have an (A) acoustic guitar (taylor
with a lr baggs M1, 1/4" instrument) , (B) Shure green bullet vocal mic
(1/4" instrument) and a (C) shure beta 58 vocal mic (I can get an
impedance adapter or use a preamp if needed).<br><br>I'd like
individual inputs for A, B &amp; C. One effects loop that can be used
with A, B, &amp; C; together or independent. Individual outputs for A,
B &amp; C. I want the A, B &amp; C outputs to always be on, whether the
effects loop is on or off for that input. i.e, the only selecting is
whether the effects loop is on for inputs A, B and/or C. otherwise it's
a bypass box.<br><br>this is for live performance to either a small
mixer to powered speakers or a 3ch acoustic/vocal amp....DI for each
channel to the FOH board, so without another mixer I'm not sure how to
obtain the ease of selection a switcher pedal would give me.<br><br>any
advice is appreciated, right now I can perform with the effects on all
three inputs at once thru an effects loop of an acoustic amp...but to
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I'm headed out on tour again, the Western half of the US this time, and 
am doing about half looping gigs. (When I'm not looping, I do acoustic 
guitar instrumentals, somewhat flamenco/indie pop/folk/minimalist 
stuff...). Really looking forward to seeing some of the LD peeps I met 
up with this summer, and would love to meet anyone else who may be in 
one of these fine burgs.

# Saturday, Sept 26 - private event, Santa Barbara, CA
# Sunday, Sept 27 - Plush, Tucson, AZ
# Tuesday, Sept 29 - Winning Coffee Co, Albuquerque, NM
# Wednesday, Sept 30 - Cochineal, Marfa, TX
# Thursday, October 1 - Cherrywood Coffeehouse, Austin, TX
# Friday, October 2 - Metrognome, Fort Worth, TX (loop set)
# Saturday, October 3 - JT's Java Hut, Newton, KS
# Tuesday, October 6 - Mercury Cafe, Denver, CO
# Wednesday, October 7 - House show, Provo, UT (maybe loop set)
# Thursday, October 8 -  Library Coffeehouse, Meridian, ID
# Friday, October 9 -  Mr. Spot's Chai House, Seattle, WA
# Saturday, October 10 - Vinegar Factory, Vancouver, BC (loop set)
# Tuesday, October 13 - East End, Portland, OR (loop set, plus LD-er 
Nevyn Nowhere)
# Wednesday, October 14 - Cloud 9, Corvallis, OR (maybe some looping)
# Thursday, October 15 - John Natsoulas Center for the Arts, Davis, CA 
(loop set as part of Chinapainting, plus Ross Hammond)
# Friday, October 16 - Norcal Noisefest, Sacramento, CA (looping noise 
set, as part of Chinapainting)
# Saturday, October 17 - LOOPFEST BABY!!
# Sunday, October 18 - Beyond Baroque, Venice, CA (loop set as part of 
Chinapainting, w/ GE Stinson)
# Saturday, Oct 24 - private event, Marin, CA

I'm also going to be keeping a tour diary here - 
http://www.swanwelder.com/tour/fall09.htm - even though I'm not finished 
with the one from my last tour yet (slowly...slowly...). That one is 
here  - http://www.swanwelder.com/tour/summer09.htm, now with some more 
entries and pix.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com

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Subject: hand held feedback synth now available...
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Forgive my joy but just to toot (Buzz?) my own horn, the first DAED
synthesizer is now available for order. This is a culmination of my own
noise explorations with input from some folks in the power electronic and
abient scene. It is all analog in a small handheld box and built for live
use. The controls are simple but it is quite capable of a complex variety
of sounds due to it's built in feedback and self-modulating switches,
patch points, etc.


I finally got around to putting up a basic demo video at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98buf7V0gIY

The standard production model is built into a painted aluminum stompbox
case and has the following features:

- Two Interactive Oscillators
- Separate Low Range Modulation Switch
- Momentary and Full On/Off Playability
- Modulating photo resistor with momentary and full on triggers
- Three Patch Points with Real-time Touch Sensitive Modulation.
- 9VT battery and/or AC Operation
- 1/4” Output for merging with Effects, Amps, and Friends
- Each unit is lovingly completely hand made, signed, and dated.

Price is $250 US plus shipping. Group discount for 5 or more units.

Stock color is black but custom Graphics and solid or individual Paint
options are available as well. So far every one I have made has been
different. I like that :)

More pictures and info at:

http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/daed.htm and

http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/Salez/FS.htm

I'll be updating the DAED product pages with graphic options, samples, etc
in the upcoming week. Please email for ordering info or any questions.

Thanks!

D_



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Very cool!

I'll have to put one of those on Santa's wish list.

Best,

Ted


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Forgive my joy but just to toot (Buzz?) my own horn, the first DAED
synthesizer is now available for order. This is a culmination of my own
noise explorations with input from some folks in the power electronic and
abient scene. It is all analog in a small handheld box and built for live
use. The controls are simple but it is quite capable of a complex variety
of sounds due to it's built in feedback and self-modulating switches,
patch points, etc.


I finally got around to putting up a basic demo video at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D98buf7V0gIY

The standard production model is built into a painted aluminum stompbox
case and has the following features:

- Two Interactive Oscillators
- Separate Low Range Modulation Switch
- Momentary and Full On/Off Playability
- Modulating photo resistor with momentary and full on triggers
- Three Patch Points with Real-time Touch Sensitive Modulation.
- 9VT battery and/or AC Operation
- 1/4=C2=94 Output for merging with Effects, Amps, and Friends
- Each unit is lovingly completely hand made, signed, and dated.

Price is $250 US plus shipping. Group discount for 5 or more units.

Stock color is black but custom Graphics and solid or individual Paint
options are available as well. So far every one I have made has been
different. I like that :)

More pictures and info at:

http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/daed.htm and

http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/Salez/FS.htm

I'll be updating the DAED product pages with graphic options, samples, etc
in the upcoming week. Please email for ordering info or any questions.

Thanks!

D_



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Very nice stuff! However, this got me thinking (and I'm writing this
as someone with no understanding of the power electronics or whatever
scene or circuit bending):

1. It seems to me that while a lot of people here aren't into odd
sound synthesis, there's quite a following for odd sound processing.
So: have you tried anything at using the power of this box to process
another sound (e.g. a loop, or a "normal" instrument). Like using it
into one input of an AM with adjustable modulation index. Is there a
video? Pleeeeze...

2. There's these three patch sockets, and in the video you either
connected a cable to one of the outer two sockets and then touched the
open wire end, or you "more or less" connected one of the outer
sockets with the center one. Now wouldn't it be possible to have three
touchable metal contacts instead of the sockets, so you can simply
touch either of them or short them with your finger?

Yours,

            Rainer

ps: still didn't find time to clean my Waldorf Q...

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Subject: Re: hand held feedback synth now available...
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So there ARE people who would pay $250 for one of these?

I'm not dogging them, I think they're neat little toys. But expensive
little toys.

-V

On 9/24/09, tEd =AE kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
> Very cool!
>
> I'll have to put one of those on Santa's wish list.
>
> Best,
>
> Ted
>
>
> ---- legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote:
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Forgive my joy but just to toot (Buzz?) my own horn, the first DAED
> synthesizer is now available for order. This is a culmination of my own
> noise explorations with input from some folks in the power electronic and
> abient scene. It is all analog in a small handheld box and built for live
> use. The controls are simple but it is quite capable of a complex variety
> of sounds due to it's built in feedback and self-modulating switches,
> patch points, etc.
>
>
> I finally got around to putting up a basic demo video at:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D98buf7V0gIY
>
> The standard production model is built into a painted aluminum stompbox
> case and has the following features:
>
> - Two Interactive Oscillators
> - Separate Low Range Modulation Switch
> - Momentary and Full On/Off Playability
> - Modulating photo resistor with momentary and full on triggers
> - Three Patch Points with Real-time Touch Sensitive Modulation.
> - 9VT battery and/or AC Operation
> - 1/4=94 Output for merging with Effects, Amps, and Friends
> - Each unit is lovingly completely hand made, signed, and dated.
>
> Price is $250 US plus shipping. Group discount for 5 or more units.
>
> Stock color is black but custom Graphics and solid or individual Paint
> options are available as well. So far every one I have made has been
> different. I like that :)
>
> More pictures and info at:
>
> http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/daed.htm and
>
> http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/Salez/FS.htm
>
> I'll be updating the DAED product pages with graphic options, samples, et=
c
> in the upcoming week. Please email for ordering info or any questions.
>
> Thanks!
>
> D_
>
>
>
>    ------------------------------------------------
>       Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art:
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I agree, if this were a filter rather than a noisemaker, it would be
pretty interesting.

On 9/24/09, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Very nice stuff! However, this got me thinking (and I'm writing this
> as someone with no understanding of the power electronics or whatever
> scene or circuit bending):
>
> 1. It seems to me that while a lot of people here aren't into odd
> sound synthesis, there's quite a following for odd sound processing.
> So: have you tried anything at using the power of this box to process
> another sound (e.g. a loop, or a "normal" instrument). Like using it
> into one input of an AM with adjustable modulation index. Is there a
> video? Pleeeeze...
>
> 2. There's these three patch sockets, and in the video you either
> connected a cable to one of the outer two sockets and then touched the
> open wire end, or you "more or less" connected one of the outer
> sockets with the center one. Now wouldn't it be possible to have three
> touchable metal contacts instead of the sockets, so you can simply
> touch either of them or short them with your finger?
>
> Yours,
>
>             Rainer
>
> ps: still didn't find time to clean my Waldorf Q...
>
>

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> sometimes i want them both to start right away...
> or is there a way?

Well, in MidiPipe, you could use the "Message Converter" and choose additionally the option "duplicate original message". This way you could trigger both at the same time.

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> 2.0.1 fixes the CPU issue regarding automatic feedback detection. 
Aaah, _now_ Mainstage 2 becomes interesting for me... :-) I wasn't aware of the update.

I guess I will eventually do a SnowLeopard + Logic9/MS2 upgrade sometime...
Then again, never change a running system. For now, I'm not missing anything (certainly _not_ the Mainstage Looper... ;-) .

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Hi folks

I have seen the vocal looping artist Martin O. about a year ago. I must say I was very impressed by his effective and seemingly simple use of looping. He really put up an excellent and entertaining show the whole evening.

For me, it was a very good learning experience because he was the complete opposite of the stereotype looping artist hiding behind his rack and pedals, too busy to interact with the audience because he's constantly staring at the floor.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtdIQ8joO-E

Here are my notes I took down on Martin O., in case you find it insightful:

- Simplicity of Setup
His very clear and simple setup gives him presence, vulnerability and accessability on stage.
He communicates "hey, it's just me and a microphone".

- Octaver for Bass lines in vocal fx chain.
Used clever and very effectively. Octaver is added with a low pass filter (I presume), so you hear it only during bass lines.

- Just ONE vocal setup, no FX tweaking
simplicity, no 50 buttons/knobs, just 1 clever vocal setup used effectively

- Keeps building layers interesting - and even entertaining!
His strongest feature. Uses gesture/posture/comedy/interaction/different languages to keep building layers interesting or even entertaining, i.e. approaching different (imaginary) mic stands. Or mimicking different people when singing overdubs (i.e. italian macho, french insecure woman, american dominant chick (sorry for the stereotypes;-) )
Yes, he's using humor.

- Uses the whole stage, showing presence
Doesn't stand around behind his rack/pedal castle. Walks around relaxed _owning_ the place. 

- Visual contact with audience - no blinking screens, no distractions
Actually looks at the _people_ - not on a pedal board or computer screen. He is in touch with the audience constantly.

- Looping in mono only. But creates stereo impression with gestures/posture.
I.e. " Autobahn" where cars are passing left/right (emphasized by moving head). Or two guys are having a conversation. So, he changes position left/right on stage, taking up the perspective of each guy.

- Perfectly choreographed songs & looping
For me, UNDO is the most important button. He didn't need it during the entire show (does he even have one in his setup?)

- No multiply, only overdubs (as far as I could tell)
First loop is laying the ground with usually bassline + beatboxing. Often 2 bars but sometimes even loops of ca. 60 secs.
Amazing how precise his timing stays with long loops. Good beatboxer.

- Uses stage monitors, no IEM
Still, no bleeding on loops.

- Aside perfect choreography, also very good looping improvisor.
Picks random guy from audience and does vocal impro with him. Loops random person in audience and makes own overdubs on top of it, actually building a real story with the loops.

- Clever, elegant & minimalistic midi controller box on stage
A wooden(?) box with 6 buttons, I would guess, placed at waist height. You don't see the whole board with buttons but only a tiny box from audience perspective. From audience perspective, almost looks like he's pressing the same button the whole time.

- 1-button controller box with long cable (all silver color) for off-stage looping
He introduces the 1-button controller as his dog "fifi". Walks with it off stage, to the audience to loop them directly.

- Also 1-button footpedal for Recording or stopping loop.
Used it for playing violin. Didn't like his violin looping much, overdubs became too loud in sound mix.

- Effective presentation of loop ends
Presses pedal in advance (ca. 1 or 2 bar) and places himself away from the looper when the loop is finally ending. Looks nice on stage.

- Setup
EDP (x2 I think). Vocal chain with Octaver. Custom midi controller. Uses two parallel loopers in sync (mostly just one, presumably with NextLoop though). 

- Own soundman
Talks with him occasianally. Sound guy pretty much doesn't tweak FX though.

- Good entertainer and singer - also without a looper.


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Skunk,

Well, given that I just spent even a little more for a Devi Ever Bit =20
Mangler - which sort of does the same thing to ones guitar signal (and =20=

with joystick control too) it's sort of right up my alley.

So, yes, there are those (maybe me) who WOULD spend the money (or =20
might) because they have very little circuit design skills themselves =20=

and WOULD find uses for it.

I mean, I can solder and do pickup installs and various other repairs =20=

but I know squat about designing or deconstructing complex circuits.

I have 3 working Casio DH100 Digital Horns and I've been toying with =20
the idea of "circuit bending" one of them - but what holds me off is =20
that I would not really know what the heck I am doing (and might not =20
be able to undo something if I seriously mess up).

So, yeah, there are folks out here that appreciate others abilities =20
enough to save up their pennies, nickels and dimes to pay for them.

Cheers,

Ted

On Sep 24, 2009, at 3:45 PM, skunk3 wrote:

> So there ARE people who would pay $250 for one of these?
>
> I'm not dogging them, I think they're neat little toys. But expensive
> little toys.
>
> -V
>
> On 9/24/09, tEd =AE kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
>> Very cool!
>>
>> I'll have to put one of those on Santa's wish list.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>
>> ---- legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote:
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>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>> Forgive my joy but just to toot (Buzz?) my own horn, the first DAED
>> synthesizer is now available for order. This is a culmination of my =20=

>> own
>> noise explorations with input from some folks in the power =20
>> electronic and
>> abient scene. It is all analog in a small handheld box and built =20
>> for live
>> use. The controls are simple but it is quite capable of a complex =20
>> variety
>> of sounds due to it's built in feedback and self-modulating switches,
>> patch points, etc.
>>
>>
>> I finally got around to putting up a basic demo video at:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D98buf7V0gIY
>>
>> The standard production model is built into a painted aluminum =20
>> stompbox
>> case and has the following features:
>>
>> - Two Interactive Oscillators
>> - Separate Low Range Modulation Switch
>> - Momentary and Full On/Off Playability
>> - Modulating photo resistor with momentary and full on triggers
>> - Three Patch Points with Real-time Touch Sensitive Modulation.
>> - 9VT battery and/or AC Operation
>> - 1/4=94 Output for merging with Effects, Amps, and Friends
>> - Each unit is lovingly completely hand made, signed, and dated.
>>
>> Price is $250 US plus shipping. Group discount for 5 or more units.
>>
>> Stock color is black but custom Graphics and solid or individual =20
>> Paint
>> options are available as well. So far every one I have made has been
>> different. I like that :)
>>
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>>
>> http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/daed.htm and
>>
>> http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/Salez/FS.htm
>>
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Hi Ted,

Have you used those horns as midi controllers at all? How do they fare?

Also, if you have 3, what do you have to lose in experimenting with one of
them?!

-m



On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:06 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>w=
rote:

> Skunk,
>
> Well, given that I just spent even a little more for a Devi Ever Bit
> Mangler - which sort of does the same thing to ones guitar signal (and wi=
th
> joystick control too) it's sort of right up my alley.
>
> So, yes, there are those (maybe me) who WOULD spend the money (or might)
> because they have very little circuit design skills themselves and WOULD
> find uses for it.
>
> I mean, I can solder and do pickup installs and various other repairs but=
 I
> know squat about designing or deconstructing complex circuits.
>
> I have 3 working Casio DH100 Digital Horns and I've been toying with the
> idea of "circuit bending" one of them - but what holds me off is that I
> would not really know what the heck I am doing (and might not be able to
> undo something if I seriously mess up).
>
> So, yeah, there are folks out here that appreciate others abilities enoug=
h
> to save up their pennies, nickels and dimes to pay for them.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ted
>
>
>

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Hi Ted, <br><br>Have you used those horns as midi controllers at all? How d=
o they fare?<br><br>Also, if you have 3, what do you have to lose in experi=
menting with one of them?!<br><br>-m<br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:06 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:tedkillian@charter.net">tedkillian@charter.net</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px sol=
id rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Skunk,<br>
<br>
Well, given that I just spent even a little more for a Devi Ever Bit Mangle=
r - which sort of does the same thing to ones guitar signal (and with joyst=
ick control too) it&#39;s sort of right up my alley.<br>
<br>
So, yes, there are those (maybe me) who WOULD spend the money (or might) be=
cause they have very little circuit design skills themselves and WOULD find=
 uses for it.<br>
<br>
I mean, I can solder and do pickup installs and various other repairs but I=
 know squat about designing or deconstructing complex circuits.<br>
<br>
I have 3 working Casio DH100 Digital Horns and I&#39;ve been toying with th=
e idea of &quot;circuit bending&quot; one of them - but what holds me off i=
s that I would not really know what the heck I am doing (and might not be a=
ble to undo something if I seriously mess up).<br>

<br>
So, yeah, there are folks out here that appreciate others abilities enough =
to save up their pennies, nickels and dimes to pay for them.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br><font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
Ted</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br>
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It's been a long time since I used them at all, let alone as a MIDI  
controller.

They work relatively well, but are monophonic and the breath pressure  
more or less equates to key velocity on a keyboard (loudness) not  
really quite the same as a true "breath controller".

And some of the portamento things they do do not transmit at all.

I used on in a concert many years ago to control a couple of keyboards  
I had off stage to the side and mixed some of the internal "Sax" sound  
in with it.

Didn't sound too bad.

Tracks well.

But it loses a lot of "personality".

The "breath controller" part of it (as it transmits to MIDI) is not  
all that sensitive to allow really nuanced playing.

Don't get me wrong, it can be fun to play around with.

But it's not at all like one of the more expensive wind controllers  
from Akai or Yamaha..

I bought 2 of my 3 at a Best Buy blowout price of $28.95 brand new in  
the early '90s.

The 3rd one was given me a few years ago by Rick Walker.

About having 3 and sacrificing one to the circuit bending gods . . . I  
may do it.

But there are so many project already begun and as yet unfinished.

Do I really need another right now?

On Sep 24, 2009, at 7:45 PM, michael noble wrote:

> Hi Ted,
>
> Have you used those horns as midi controllers at all? How do they  
> fare?
>
> Also, if you have 3, what do you have to lose in experimenting with  
> one of them?!
>
> -m

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yeah, I know what you're saying. that being said, you've piqued my curiosity
and I want to hunt one down now...

-michael

But there are so many project already begun and as yet unfinished.
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> - Setup
> EDP (x2 I think). Vocal chain with Octaver. Custom midi controller. Uses
> two parallel loopers in sync (mostly just one, presumably with NextLoop
> though).
>
>
Nice looping, as you say very simple, personally hate the music. I think
that from this clip he could have done it with a simple MUTE with quantise
on one of the EDPS (if thats what he used?) The "double click" he often used
seemed to take out one edp for one loop length and com back in again
automatically. An effective use of an underused button on edp.. at least by
me...

I agree that its it very refreshing to see something that is so simple and
not clever,  clever.


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mple MUTE with quantise on one of the EDPS (if thats what he used?) The &qu=
ot;double click&quot; he often used seemed to take out one edp for one loop=
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> Nice looping, as you say very simple, personally hate the music.

I'm not suggesting that we all go out doodling happy music. ;-)
His style seems genuine for him. But for one thing, he is a professional entertainer who keeps a full room of mainstream audience fascinated with looping the entire evening. 
And he has optimized (&simplified) his looping setup/process to effectively serve this purpose.

For a person like me, who is at the moment trying to squeeze-in a Mobius script into every possible controller button, this is quite refreshing. ;-)

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Rainer Straschill wrote:
> Very nice stuff! However, this got me thinking (and I'm writing this
> as someone with no understanding of the power electronics or whatever
> scene or circuit bending):
> 
> 1. It seems to me that while a lot of people here aren't into odd
> sound synthesis, there's quite a following for odd sound processing.
> So: have you tried anything at using the power of this box to process
> another sound (e.g. a loop, or a "normal" instrument). Like using it
> into one input of an AM with adjustable modulation index. 

These noise box things are very simple electronics, 
it's many times harder to build stable oscillators which
don't interact with each other.
Back in the 70's, every so often the electronics mags would
publish plans for a "wierd sounds generator" pretty much
along the design of these devices.
A bunch of basic multi-vibrator circuits (or similar) without
the necessary buffering and so on to stop them interacting.
It's a fun experiment with some basic circuits, and randomly
made connections can offer interesting results.
To integrate an audio input would need some additional
circuitry which doesn't seem to be commonly used in these 
devices.
One thing that's possible, that I don't know if anyone
did yet, is to have a simple single transistor amplifier/buffer
circuit, but instead of powering it directly, rig it so
that an LFO provides voltage for it. Makes a lo-fi VCA
for trem and ring mod. You wouldn't normally see that used
as a VCA because the sound would only be undistorted at
the full voltage level...which I'd assume isn't a disadvantage
for the sort of processing required.
Just needs someone to build it.



andy butler


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It depends what does it for you. I found him irritating and engratiating an=
d his music sucked too. I don't care if someone is shoegazing as long as th=
ey're reaching for something real. If it takes a lot of button pushing to g=
et the effect then go for it I say. This guy is an audience pleaser first a=
nd foremost and as such I suppose he was successful=2C (though it was hard =
to tell how the audience were going to react until they did).=20
I was at an amazing sitar recital last Friday and the sitarist=2C (Panjit A=
jit Singh) made no attempt to entertain the audience while he was playing. =
He was totally in the zone - an so=2C by a process of ozmosis were we the a=
udience. I felt=2C leaving the art gallery where the recital took place=2C =
like I'd just done an hour of yoga or meditation- completely transported. I=
f I could leave an audience of mine in that state I would feel I'd done wel=
l. but as I said=2C I depends on what does it for you.

peace

G

ps I saw a looping thereminist=2C (Alexander Thomas) last night looping to =
some slo-mo film clips of explosions and rain - quite interesting but too d=
amn loud...

> Date: Fri=2C 25 Sep 2009 09:43:15 +0200
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> Subject: Re: Deconstructing Vocal Looper Martin O.
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>=20
> I'm not suggesting that we all go out doodling happy music. =3B-)
> His style seems genuine for him. But for one thing=2C he is a professiona=
l entertainer who keeps a full room of mainstream audience fascinated with =
looping the entire evening.=20
> And he has optimized (&simplified) his looping setup/process to effective=
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>=20
> For a person like me=2C who is at the moment trying to squeeze-in a Mobiu=
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> Buzap  =20
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It depends what does it for you. I found him irritating and engratiating an=
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et the effect then go for it I say. This guy is an audience pleaser first a=
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an amazing sitar recital last Friday and the sitarist=2C (Panjit Ajit Singh=
) made no attempt to entertain the audience while he was playing. He was to=
tally in the zone - an so=2C by a process of ozmosis were we the audience. =
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Hello all!
I saw that at least one person was using the Tech 21 MIDI Moose to control
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change" MIDI messages to control something like Loopback? I've been trying
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maybe it was kris hartung? i use the tiny midi mouse from tech21 and was
plug and play with mainstage ...

2009/9/25 Jojo Hahn <jojo@jojohahn.com>

> Hello all!
> I saw that at least one person was using the Tech 21 MIDI Moose to control
> looping software. I use Logic's Mainstage and I just purchased the MIDI
> Moose
> but I can't seem to get it to map correctly. Any help on how to map "patch
> change" MIDI messages to control something like Loopback? I've been trying
> to find a
> a simple foot MIDI controller for looping software for awhile and I thought
> that I'd finally found a solution, but it still seems to be not working.
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Jojo
>



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ello all!<div>
<br></div><div>I saw that at least one person was using the Tech 21 MIDI Mo=
ose to control looping software. I use Logic&#39;s Mainstage and I just pur=
chased the MIDI Moose</div>
<div>but I can&#39;t seem to get it to map correctly. Any help on how to ma=
p &quot;patch change&quot; MIDI messages to control something like Loopback=
? I&#39;ve been trying to find a=A0</div><div>a simple foot MIDI controller=
 for looping software for awhile and I thought that I&#39;d finally found a=
 solution, but it still seems to be not working.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Thanks a lot!</div><div><br></div><font color=3D"#88888=
8"><font color=3D"#888888"><div>Jojo</div></font></font></span>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at Blogger:=
 <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com<=
/a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com">http=
://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
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2009/9/25 Jojo Hahn <jojo@jojohahn.com>

> Hello all!
>> I saw that at least one person was using the Tech 21 MIDI Moose to control
>> looping software. I use Logic's Mainstage and I just purchased the MIDI
>> Moose
>> but I can't seem to get it to map correctly. Any help on how to map "patch
>> change" MIDI messages to control something like Loopback? I've been trying
>> to find a
>> a simple foot MIDI controller for looping software for awhile and I
>> thought that I'd finally found a solution, but it still seems to be not
>> working.
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>>
>

I checked Tech 21's web page for the Moose and it seems it sends out five
simultaneous MIDI Program Change events upon recalling a Moose program. So
that's what you have to work with.

Mainstage reacts to an incoming MIDI Program Change by changing to the patch
you have assigned the corrsponding number. I have never tried to send in
five patch change commands simultaneously but my guess is that Mainstage
will then randomly chose one of the five assigned patches.

If my assumptions on the Moose are correct (manufacturer's web site did not
provide enough detailed information) your first task will be to either
reprogram the Moose to send just one MIDI PC or set up Mobius to recall a
patch for just one of the five received PCs. That should do for patch
changing. Next task for you would be to find a way to use MIDI Program
Change commands to control parameters in Mainstage hosted looping plug-ins.
You could achieve this by using an application as Midi Pipe to convert
certain MIDI PC's into Note data or CC's that work for what you have in
mind.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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2009/9/25 Jojo Hahn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jojo@jojohahn.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">jojo@jojohahn.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-le=
ft: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; =
padding-left: 1ex;">
<span style=3D"font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-colla=
pse: collapse;">Hello all!<div>
<br></div><div>I saw that at least one person was using the Tech 21 MIDI Mo=
ose to control looping software. I use Logic&#39;s Mainstage and I just pur=
chased the MIDI Moose</div>
<div>but I can&#39;t seem to get it to map correctly. Any help on how to ma=
p &quot;patch change&quot; MIDI messages to control something like Loopback=
? I&#39;ve been trying to find a=C2=A0</div><div>a simple foot MIDI control=
ler for looping software for awhile and I thought that I&#39;d finally foun=
d a solution, but it still seems to be not working.</div>


<div><br></div><div>Thanks a lot!</div></span></blockquote></div></blockquo=
te></div><br><br>I checked Tech 21&#39;s web page for the Moose and it seem=
s it sends out five simultaneous MIDI Program Change events upon recalling =
a Moose program. So that&#39;s what you have to work with. <br>
<br>Mainstage reacts to an incoming MIDI Program Change by changing to the =
patch you have assigned the corrsponding number. I have never tried to send=
 in five patch change commands simultaneously but my guess is that Mainstag=
e will then randomly chose one of the five assigned patches. <br>
<br>If my assumptions on the Moose are correct (manufacturer&#39;s web site=
 did not provide enough detailed information) your first task will be to ei=
ther reprogram the Moose to send just one MIDI PC or set up Mobius to recal=
l a patch for just one of the five received PCs. That should do for patch c=
hanging. Next task for you would be to find a way to use MIDI Program Chang=
e commands to control parameters in Mainstage hosted looping plug-ins. You =
could achieve this by using an application as Midi Pipe to convert certain =
MIDI PC&#39;s into Note data or CC&#39;s that work for what you have in min=
d.<br>
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"ht=
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http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/090924.html

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

                Show #651                September 24, 2009.

RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Ulrich Schnauss.  The
Featured CD at Midnight was Goodbye on Domino Records.

Ulrich Schnauss:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/focus.html#sep


PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
Lemonchill           Emotions             Sentant (Ricochet Dream)
Robert Rich and      Lithosphere          React (DiN)
  Ian Boddy
Robert Rich and      Blue Moon            React (DiN)
  Ian Boddy
National Debt        Crop Circles         Third Eye Opener (none)
Esa Kotilainen       Korpi                Turquoise Planet (Presence)
33 Tetragammon and   The House of Aluxes  Resonating Earth (none)
  Human Metronome
Steve Roach and      part 1               Stream of Thought (Projekt)
  Erik Wollo

12:00 am
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Steve Roach and      part 2               Stream of Thought (Projekt)
  Erik Wollo
Ulrich Schnauss      Never Be the Same    Goodbye (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Shine                Goodbye (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Stars                Goodbye (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Einfeld              Goodbye (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      In Between the Years Goodbye (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Here Today, Gone     Goodbye (Domino)
                       Tomorrow
Ulrich Schnauss      A Song About Hope    Goodbye (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Medusa               Goodbye (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      Goodbye              Goodbye (Domino)
Ulrich Schnauss      For Good             Goodbye (Domino)

1:00 am

 * = excerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist
-- = Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on
vidnaObmana.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be An Opera for Four
Fusion Works: Act One - Echoes of Steel on Hypnos Records.

vidnaObmana: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/focus.html#oct

Bill
=======================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in
Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on
93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD
Digital Radio on 88.1 FM.
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Hello everybody,

I am new to the list (but lurking already some time), so I may introduce
myself. My name is Florian Anwander and I live in Munich, Germany. I am
doing usually live music with vintage keyboards synths and found that
using loopers is (partially) much easier that using CV/Gate sequencers.
I have a Lexicon JamMan and since a few days a Electrix Repeater.

Now my todays question regards the Repeater. The powersupply connection
to my repeater is sometimes a little loose. I cannot tell whether it is
the socket or the plug, but all in all I'd like to replace it by a more
solid connector. I thought about a 5 pin XLR connector (I checked
already the inards and there should be enough space). Also I think about
replacing the switched powersupply by a linear powersupply (because of
noise reduction and protection against short power outages on stage).

So my question is: does anyone of you know the pin layout of the power
supply socket and the rating of the power?


All the best, Florian

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Yes, i was informed about it couse i joined the samadhisound forum but&nbsp;
i still didn buy it, so this is one reason more to run 

and try to find it here il Italy. Thing that is is not always easy, 

maybe i'll buy it directly from samadhisound:

this is the adress:


http://www.samadhisound.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=37


bye! 

Max Liver


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  I know this is a pinch OT, but this is David's new work, and I REALLY like
it. &nbsp;I think he's breaking new ground.


http://www.manafon.com/editions/







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Hey Florian,

> My name is Florian Anwander and I live in Munich, Germany.
Hey, that makes us three on Looper's Delight.

> So my question is: does anyone of you know the pin layout of the power supply socket and the rating of the power?
Repeater user myself, but frankly - no idea.
There has been a quite active Repeater group on yahoogroups, you might
try your luck there. Apart from that: do measurements and choose
pinning and specs of your new supply accordingly.
As for using a linear power supply: I would not see the EMC issues
transmitted on the power feed by a SPS as a problem; in fact, in a
typical setup (meaning: everything's very crowded in your rack) you
might easily buy those reduced kHz interferences by a increase in 50Hz
EMI caused by the larger transformer required for a linear supply.
I'm not that much into AC power supply design myself, but let me ask:
why does use of a linear supply make your setup more immune against
brownouts/blackouts than a switching one? In fact, the SPS should be
more immune to slight bownouts.

But hey, much more interesting: what do you do musically?

Curious,

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Thanks for the link, really loved his voice...

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For me, the dance moves were a little hokey, but I liked the bit for
what it was - a very short showcase performance where someone had
about 3 minutes to make an impression. For my part, I'm always
impressed when someone does spot-on vocal harmony in a looper, but
maybe that's just because I hold good singers in more awe than I do
most other musicians (it's the one thing that seems impossible for me,
regardless of how much time I spend at it - everything else at least
*seems* possible).

At any rate, I tend to judge a performance like this by its
effectiveness in context rather than by some absolute scale of musical
values. I liked it, it made me grin when I saw the business he was
doing with the mic positioning. I wouldn't watch it twice. I guess,
though, that the looping may be a "gimmick" in this act, in a sense -
I might rather hear this guy's carefully thought-out and edited
recorded arrangements than a live performance, if he proved to be an
interesting lyricist.

Performance pieces like this won't go over well for very much longer,
as the general public will become more and more aware of looping and
will cease to go wow over parlor tricks. Yet, I must confess, much of
what I do at this phase in my meta-instrument development, is to see
if I can coax the gear into more interesting parlor tricks, in the
hopes that I can get the nerds in this crowd to go wow a bit. (pls
dont take offense - i'm totally a nerd myself, and of course you're
all sensitive artist types, at the same time being extremely manly or
womanly or childly as appropriate, and not the least bit nerdy,
really. whew).

Warren "The Gear Made Me Do It" Sirota
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http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/top20-09sep.html

WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for September, 2009.
Shows #648 to #651; 3-September-2009 to 24-September-2009
Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order.
Compiled by Bill Fox
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The Special Focus for September was <a 
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target="gt" title="Click here to go to the Special Focus page for 
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Mailing-list-Newbie here: I hope I'm sending this message to the right 
thread!

I've always wondered why Boss never released any RC5 editor...
If you'd like to extrapolate a single patch from the RC5 you have to back 
engeneering the PATCH.RC5 file in your loop station, then create a program 
that automates the import-export function you need!

It's about a 2 months job, if you can program in VB or C++... Then you'll 
need to debug that program , send it to some beta-tester that tries to make 
it work and crash, fix the errors... It's a hard work, but someone has to do 
it!

Now: you have to do the right question...




Is there a way to back up a single RC-50 patch?

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    * Subject: Is there a way to back up a single RC-50 patch?
    * Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:49:49 -0400

I understand that it is possible to save and restore (and edit) the audio
associated with RC-50 patches.  I also understand that it is possible to
save and restore the entire RC-50 status.

Has anyone figured out how to store just the information associated with a
single patch?  Presumably that would mean saving the audio files along with
the appropriate segments of the other files, and being able to put them
back
into place.



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el. Task-oriented and driven by people with a common interest. We perform a=
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overnments, advocate and moni</FONT>tor policies for the disabled and those=
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fering, and has helped more than Two million people improve their quality o=
f life. The foundations principles reflect the belief that JUSTICE, EQUALIT=
Y and&nbsp;DIGNITY are everyones birthright and where you are born should n=
ot determine whether you live or die. </FONT><A href=3D"http://www.e-solace=
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Aid which involves Social Investors working with Social Entrepreneurs to cr=
eate Social adaptable environment. We took the unconventional step of engag=
ing and influencing the corporate sector in its mission to fight poverty. T=
he establishment of </FONT><A href=3D"http://www.e-solace.org/"><FONT color=
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n of poverty and diseases.</FONT></P>
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alth</FONT></A></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><SPAN clas=
s=3DMsoHyperlink><A href=3D"http://www.e-solace.org/default_002.htm"><FONT =
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On Sep 26, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote:

> Thanks for the link, really loved his voice...
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> Has anyone figured out how to store just the information associated with a
> single patch?
Yes, I use an application called notepad.exe on Windows for this purpose. ;-)

Seriously, I just write down my essential patch settings, so I can go back to them if something goes wrong.

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> Performance pieces like this won't go over well for very much longer,
> as the general public will become more and more aware of looping and
> will cease to go wow over parlor tricks. 

Well, that was actually the most interesting part of his performance: When I saw him live, he really kept the whole audience hooked the whole evening.
And a lot of that is actually humor, storytelling, stage presence, inventiveness etc.

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Don't really get it - what's the point?
I either have a "real" wah pedal or I have a midi pedal (expression pedal) controlling some software fx.

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I think it's just that it's midi controllable.

I can imagine it might be nice to have an analog wah which
could also be a midi controller, ...but I don't
that's what we have here.

Buzap Buzap wrote:
> Don't really get it - what's the point?
> I either have a "real" wah pedal or I have a midi pedal (expression pedal) controlling some software fx.
> 
> best regards
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> Per!
>

Thanks for your recommendations. It allows you to access five buttons
simultaneously, not use them simultaneously. In Mainstage it pops up in the
MIDI monitor as something like "P 92" or whatever corresponding PC button
I'm pressing on the MIDI Moose. I tried the MIDIpipe way and I attempted a
couple things to convert the PC, but it was slightly confusing. I set the in
to "program change", but it doesn't give me the option of a PC#. I set the
out to the CC# I desired. I set my MIDI in as the MIDI pedal and the out as
MIDIpipe's output. I also tried a few different in/out combinations, but I
couldn't get my software to recognize it as going through or being changed
by MIDIpipe. It still only recognized the patch changes. Any ideas?

Thanks a lot!

Jojo Hahn


> I checked Tech 21's web page for the Moose and it seems it sends out five
> simultaneous MIDI Program Change events upon recalling a Moose program. So
> that's what you have to work with.
>
> Mainstage reacts to an incoming MIDI Program Change by changing to the
> patch you have assigned the corrsponding number. I have never tried to send
> in five patch change commands simultaneously but my guess is that Mainstage
> will then randomly chose one of the five assigned patches.
>
> If my assumptions on the Moose are correct (manufacturer's web site did not
> provide enough detailed information) your first task will be to either
> reprogram the Moose to send just one MIDI PC or set up Mobius to recall a
> patch for just one of the five received PCs. That should do for patch
> changing. Next task for you would be to find a way to use MIDI Program
> Change commands to control parameters in Mainstage hosted looping plug-ins.
> You could achieve this by using an application as Midi Pipe to convert
> certain MIDI PC's into Note data or CC's that work for what you have in
> mind.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
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">Per!<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your recommenda=
tions. It allows you to access five buttons simultaneously, not use them si=
multaneously. In Mainstage it pops up in the MIDI monitor as something like=
 &quot;P 92&quot; or whatever corresponding PC button I&#39;m pressing on t=
he MIDI Moose. I tried the MIDIpipe way and I attempted a couple things to =
convert the PC, but it was slightly confusing. I set the in to &quot;progra=
m change&quot;, but it doesn&#39;t give me the option of a PC#. I set the o=
ut to the CC# I desired. I set my MIDI in as the MIDI pedal and the out as =
MIDIpipe&#39;s output. I also tried a few different in/out combinations, bu=
t I couldn&#39;t get my software to recognize it as going through or being =
changed by MIDIpipe. It still only recognized the patch changes. Any ideas?=
</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks a lot!</div><div><br></div><div>Jojo Hahn</div><=
div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
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 checked Tech 21&#39;s web page for the Moose and it seems it sends out fiv=
e simultaneous MIDI Program Change events upon recalling a Moose program. S=
o that&#39;s what you have to work with. <br>

<br>Mainstage reacts to an incoming MIDI Program Change by changing to the =
patch you have assigned the corrsponding number. I have never tried to send=
 in five patch change commands simultaneously but my guess is that Mainstag=
e will then randomly chose one of the five assigned patches. <br>

<br>If my assumptions on the Moose are correct (manufacturer&#39;s web site=
 did not provide enough detailed information) your first task will be to ei=
ther reprogram the Moose to send just one MIDI PC or set up Mobius to recal=
l a patch for just one of the five received PCs. That should do for patch c=
hanging. Next task for you would be to find a way to use MIDI Program Chang=
e commands to control parameters in Mainstage hosted looping plug-ins. You =
could achieve this by using an application as Midi Pipe to convert certain =
MIDI PC&#39;s into Note data or CC&#39;s that work for what you have in min=
d.<br>

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I loved this, very cool!

Jeff
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  the best yet!


  http://vimeo.com/5583313


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Hi Jojo

yes, that's the way I actually use MidiPipe with Mainstage:
I was able to use the message converter to convert a specific CC number to Program Change. But I wasn't able to specify the ProgChNumber either.
So, the CC number becomes the ProgCh number. I have adapted the ProgCh numbers in the Mainstage patches instead.

Routing shouldn't be difficult. I was able to add my midi controller in the beginning (and also I think a component in the end) of the midipipe. It worked automatically.

If you want to duplicate i.e. CC messages, you can also use the converter to convert a CC message and click the option to pass also the original message.

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Here's a screen shot of a Mainstage 2 looping rig screen design I find
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http://bit.ly/1lCdip

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Here&#39;s a screen shot of a Mainstage 2 looping rig screen design I find =
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<br><a href=3D"http://bit.ly/1lCdip">http://bit.ly/1lCdip</a><br><br clear=
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boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com">www.pe=
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My Dear Good Friend,
How are you today? I am writing to inform you that=A0 I have Paid the fee f=
or your Cheque. And=A0 I went to the bank=A0 to confirm if the Cheque has e=
xpired or getting near to the expirey Date and=A0 Mr.Ahmed Zafa the Directo=
r of Central Bank of West African States(BCEAO) told me that before the che=
que will get to your hand that it will expire.
So I told him to cash the US$2.5 MILLION US DOLLARS to cash payment to avoi=
d losing this funds. However, all the necessary arrangement of delivering t=
he US$2.5 MILLION US DOLLARS in cash was made with FEDEX COURIER SERVICES C=
OMPANY LTD. in Cotonou Benin Republic, Mr.Ahmed Zafa the Director of Centra=
l Bank of West African States(BCEAO) Cotonou had to package the sum of US$2=
..5 MILLION US DOLLARS in cash for you.=20
Then he also agreed to help me to Register the Consignment with FEDEX COURI=
ER SERVICES COMPANY LTD. Infact I'm happy that every arrengment I made was =
successful.
As for our=A0 agreement with the FEDEX COURIER SERVICES COMPANY LTD. they p=
romised that your consignment Box will Depart Benin Republic this week, But=
 the Director of the FEDEX COURIER SERVICES COMPANY LTD. said that they nee=
d your contact information to able them meet up with your Delivery immediat=
ely the Diplomat Agent arrived to your Country.
Please write a letter of application to the given address below.
ATTN: Rev. Maxwell Shargan TEl+22998320584
EMAIL(fedexcourierbenin01@live.fr )=20
Please, Send them your contacts information to able them locate you immedia=
tely they arrived in your country with your BOX .This is what they need fro=
m you.
1.YOUR FULL NAME
2.YOUR HOME ADDRESS.
3.YOUR CURRENT HOME/MOBILE TELEPHONE NUMBER.
4.YOUR CURRENT OFFICE TELEPHONE.
5.A COPY OF YOUR PICTURE=20
Please make sure you send this needed information to the Director general o=
f FEDEX COURIER SERVICES Company LTD, with their address given stated above=
..
Note. FEDEX COURIER SERVICES COMPANY LTD.don't know the contents of the Box=
.. I registered it as a BOX of AFRICAN CRAFT WORKS. They don't know it conte=
nts money. this is to avoid them delaying the BOX Delivery. Don't let them =
know that its money that is in that Box.
You call the Director of the company with this line:+229-98320584 Immediete=
ly.
Thanks and Remain Blessed.
Barrister Peter Johnson
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he fee for your Cheque. And&nbsp; I went to the bank&nbsp; to confirm if th=
e Cheque has expired or getting near to the expirey Date and&nbsp; Mr.Ahmed=
 Zafa the Director of Central Bank of West African States(BCEAO) told me th=
at before the cheque will get to your hand that it will expire.<BR>So I tol=
d him to cash the US$2.5 MILLION US DOLLARS to cash payment to avoid losing=
 this funds. However, all the necessary arrangement of delivering the US$2.=
5 MILLION US DOLLARS in cash was made with FEDEX COURIER SERVICES COMPANY L=
TD. in Cotonou Benin Republic, Mr.Ahmed Zafa the Director of Central Bank o=
f West African States(BCEAO) Cotonou had to package the sum of US$2.5 MILLI=
ON US DOLLARS in cash for you. <BR>Then he also agreed to help me to Regist=
er the Consignment with FEDEX COURIER SERVICES COMPANY LTD. Infact I'm happ=
y that every arrengment I made was successful.<BR>As for our&nbsp;
 agreement with the FEDEX COURIER SERVICES COMPANY LTD. they promised that =
your consignment Box will Depart Benin Republic this week, But the Director=
 of the FEDEX COURIER SERVICES COMPANY LTD. said that they need your contac=
t information to able them meet up with your Delivery immediately the Diplo=
mat Agent arrived to your Country.<BR>Please write a letter of application =
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 LTD, with their address given stated above.<BR>Note. FEDEX COURIER SERVICE=
S COMPANY LTD.don't know the contents of the Box. I registered it as a BOX =
of AFRICAN CRAFT WORKS. They don't know it contents money. this is to avoid=
 them delaying the BOX Delivery. Don't let them know that its money that is=
 in that Box.<BR>You call the Director of the company with this line:+229-9=
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cool patch names... may you elaborate what's going on in those.

2009/9/27 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> Here's a screen shot of a Mainstage 2 looping rig screen design I find
> exciting to work with. It would be fun to see screenshots from setups other
> loopists are using. Some folks have posted interesting technical
> descriptions to the list, but it would be nice to see what it looks like!
>
> http://bit.ly/1lCdip
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>
>


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cool patch names... may you elaborate what&#39;s going on in those.<br><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/27 Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204=
, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Here&#39;s a screen shot of a Mainstage 2 looping rig screen design I find =
exciting to work with. It would be fun to see screenshots from setups other=
 loopists are using. Some folks have posted interesting technical descripti=
ons to the list, but it would be nice to see what it looks like! <br>

<br><a href=3D"http://bit.ly/1lCdip" target=3D"_blank">http://bit.ly/1lCdip=
</a><br><br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><font color=3D"#888888">=
<br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.b=
oysen.se</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>

<br><br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at B=
logger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogsp=
ot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.co=
m">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
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On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:

> cool patch names... may you elaborate what's going on in those.
>


Generally every patch starts with a gainer plug-in used for closing the
input from an expression pedal to minimize acoustic PA feedback and leakage
into overdubbing loops.

Then there is an EQ to give the instrument input sound a facelift (depending
on what the next effects are).

Then there use to be a delay, usually the SoundToys Echoboy that is set to
freeze the audio input from the same expression pedal that is used to
silence the input - but cross faded! So as I close the input the sound I
just made in the mic is frozen. Since this is not a digital delay but a
simulation of an analog tape delay (Echoboy) the sound degenerates over
time, a process that reminds me of some Harold Budd treatments Brian Eno
did.

After the "hanging Echoboy cloud" comes a Phase Mistress (or similar) that
is controlled by a second expression pedal. Different patches have this
stage set to different rhythmic values, related to the main tempo. So by
swapping through patches one can easily create bouncing soundscapes to punch
in to loops (all this is pre looper).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Raul Bonell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padd=
ing-left: 1ex;">
<div id=3D":1cg" class=3D"ii gt">cool patch names... may you elaborate what=
&#39;s going on in those.</div></blockquote></div><br><br>Generally every p=
atch starts with a gainer plug-in used for closing the input from an expres=
sion pedal to minimize acoustic PA feedback and leakage into overdubbing lo=
ops. <br>
<br>Then there is an EQ to give the instrument input sound a facelift (depe=
nding on what the next effects are). <br><br>Then there use to be a delay, =
usually the SoundToys Echoboy that is set to freeze the audio input from th=
e same expression pedal that is used to silence the input - but cross faded=
! So as I close the input the sound I just made in the mic is frozen. Since=
 this is not a digital delay but a simulation of an analog tape delay (Echo=
boy) the sound degenerates over time, a process that reminds me of some Har=
old Budd treatments Brian Eno did. <br>
<br>After the &quot;hanging Echoboy cloud&quot; comes a Phase Mistress (or =
similar) that is controlled by a second expression pedal. Different patches=
 have this stage set to different rhythmic values, related to the main temp=
o. So by swapping through patches one can easily create bouncing soundscape=
s to punch in to loops (all this is pre looper). <br>
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.co=
m">www.perboysen.com</a><br>
<br>

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This looks like a very nice setup. Thanks for sharing it with us!!
By the way, I think I will have to download this Mobius right now.
Cheers,
Alex Klinke

www.myspace.com/alexandreklinke

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's a screen shot of a Mainstage 2 looping rig screen design I find
> exciting to work with. It would be fun to see screenshots from setups other
> loopists are using. Some folks have posted interesting technical
> descriptions to the list, but it would be nice to see what it looks like!
>
> http://bit.ly/1lCdip
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>
>

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Hi Rainer

>>My name is Florian Anwander and I live in Munich, Germany.
> Hey, that makes us three on Looper's Delight.
I already thought I wouldn't be alone here ;-)

> try your luck there. Apart from that: do measurements and choose
> pinning and specs of your new supply accordingly.
Yes, thats what I will do assumingly.

> As for using a linear power supply:...
> I'm not that much into AC power supply design myself, but let me ask:
> why does use of a linear supply make your setup more immune against
> brownouts/blackouts than a switching one? In fact, the SPS should be
> more immune to slight bownouts.
Simply I used for some time a Toshiba Laptop (not the worst brand) which 
does not have a battery any more. So each short spike (e.g. the 
powertransformers of Apple G4 Powerbooks do very ugly spikes to the 
mains, when plugged in) or brownout in the 240V power made the laptop 
crash. I don'T want to have this anymore on stage. Linear power supplys 
can be built with large capacitors and will survive spikes.

> But hey, much more interesting: what do you do musically?
You may listen here: http://www.ambiosonics.de
As mentioned in my opening posting: I use the looper instead of a 
realtime sequencer for my analogue synths. But I also did some guitar 
and vocal looper stuff.

Florian

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Hi Topu,

Tuning the bass in fifths C-G-D-A should be quite easy, given the
availability of strings for six string basses.    I would recommend
using a .125 for the low C, an .085 for the G,
a .065 for the D, and something in the .034 range for the A string.
This should give you relatively normal tension across the strings.
I've set up my 5 string with a high B string instead of a low B using
a .032 which worked out very nicely.  I did have it at C, but the
tension was off and it confused my hands switching back and forth with
guitar.  It's my understanding that the cello and electric bass have
the same scale (34") so you might even be able to use cello strings,
which would be interesting.  Steinberger makes an electric cello, too,
if you can afford it...

David

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There is a new video on the Wavedrum (have you guys seen/posted it yet?):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvqPzEv-sJ8

Amazing how brushes work...

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> Hi Rainer
> >>My name is Florian Anwander and I live in Munich, Germany.
> > Hey, that makes us three on Looper's Delight.
> I already thought I wouldn't be alone here ;-)
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Hi Per

nice, thanks :)

Where do you hide all the MS controls "behind the scene"? Are they placed under the Mobius window?

I wish I had such a lean Mobius window. I'm somehow not able to move around Mobius components (was it right-mouse/shift+mouse?) in the screen. Not in 1.38 with Mobius (neither Win, nor OSX). It used to work on an older Win version, however - am I missing something?

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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> Where do you hide all the MS controls "behind the scene"? Are they placed
> under the Mobius window?
>

70 minimal button objects (for external MIDI note from my FCB1010 bank 1-7)
is under the open Mobius plugin window. I will hide 128 more buttons at the
same place (for my Faderfox Micromodul LX-1).

I totally disabled Mobius own link to the physical MIDI In port and now rely
only on parameter assignment through Mainstage 2. It was a scary step but it
works well and brings some goodies in the graphics department. Now when
Pacman will come back to Mobius on the Mac I can't wish for more.



> I wish I had such a lean Mobius window.
>

It's in Mainstage 1 as well. Just a little less "smart".


> I'm somehow not able to move around Mobius components (was it
> right-mouse/shift+mouse?)
>

It's a key command that is pre assigned to the esc key of the computer. Hold
down esc and drag the then outlined Mobius object inside the Mobius plugin
window.

Greetings from Sweden

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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Buzap Buzap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
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<div id=3D":zk" class=3D"ii gt">Where do you hide all the MS controls &quot=
;behind the scene&quot;? Are they placed under the Mobius window?<br></div>=
</blockquote><div><br>70 minimal button objects (for external MIDI note fro=
m my FCB1010 bank 1-7) is under the open Mobius plugin window. I will hide =
128 more buttons at the same place (for my Faderfox Micromodul LX-1).<br>
<br>I totally disabled Mobius own link to the physical MIDI In port and now=
 rely only on parameter assignment through Mainstage 2. It was a scary step=
 but it works well and brings some goodies in the graphics department. Now =
when Pacman will come back to Mobius on the Mac I can&#39;t wish for more. =
<br>
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I wish I had such a lean Mobius window. </div></blockquote><div><br>It&#39;=
s in Mainstage 1 as well. Just a little less &quot;smart&quot;. <br>=C2=A0<=
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<div id=3D":zk" class=3D"ii gt">I&#39;m somehow not able to move around Mob=
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r>It&#39;s a key command that is pre assigned to the esc key of the compute=
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> There is a new video on the Wavedrum (have you guys seen/posted it yet?):

I'm not a drummer, so this comment is more from the purchasing
department view, but...

This seems to be targeted at a market firmly held for some time by
Roland's Handsonic, but at a price which is cheaper than even the
smaller Handsonic model. Could anyone with some knowhow in this area
explain what those two (Wavedrum, Handsonic) have in common - and how
they compare?

           Rainer

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 >> I'm somehow not able to move around Mobius components (was it
 >> right-mouse/shift+mouse?)
 >
 >It's a key command that is pre assigned to the esc key of the  
computer.

If you have been upgrading over old releases you may not have the
new esc key binding. Bring up the Keyboard Control dialog and select
the function "Move Display Components" and assign it to the key
of your choice.

One thing I've noticed is that with some VST/AU hosts typing esc
closes the dialog so you may not be able to type that key
in "learn" mode.

Jeff


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<head><style>body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;}p{margin:0px}</style></head><body id="compText">DAMN! listen to Jerry much? :-)<div>i like that piece alot-very jerry&amp;barry sless-john kadlecik like...</div><div>lyrical and just the right length-didnt mind(hear) the glitches.</div><div>rock onn</div><div>s<br><br><br><blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message-----
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All I can say is "Far Out" Eric, very melodic and tastful. It harkens =
back to the "day" for me. I was always a Deadhead.=20
Lots of little bits of loopy goodness come at you through out. Thanks =
for posting!

Jeff
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:13 PM
  Subject: grossloops


  Hi All,

  After lurking for a long time I decided to post my latest meditation, =
it is at http://www.box.net/shared/1ak0n4dsth

  All realtime no edits.

  Sorry for the hum and noisy pots and clicks I need to fix that.

  Constructive criticism is appreciated, I want to thank the list for =
the looping education, it has been a great learning experience, not just =
for looping but music production, listening, and enjoyment in general.

  Eric (grossloops)




-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
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  From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
  To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
  Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:52:31 PM
  Subject: Re: Wavedrum

  > There is a new video on the Wavedrum (have you guys seen/posted it =
yet?):

  I'm not a drummer, so this comment is more from the purchasing
  department view, but...

  This seems to be targeted at a market firmly held for some time by
  Roland's Handsonic, but at a price which is cheaper than even the
  smaller Handsonic model. Could anyone with some knowhow in this area
  explain what those two (Wavedrum, Handsonic) have in common - and how
  they compare?

            Rainer




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All&nbsp;I can say is "Far Out" Eric, =
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I've used both though I only own a Wavedrum.=20
The Handsonic is basically a number of trigger pads=2C (10 or 15) that fire=
 samples that are pre-recorded into it. There are some gorgeous ethnic soun=
ds in there.=20
The Wavedrum has one standard drum head rather than the rubber pads of the =
Handsonic and it also detects when youre hitting the rim. It has pickups bu=
ilt into it that take the vibrations of the skin./rim and process tham usin=
g physical modelling. This means that every time you strike it=2C it sounds=
 subtly different. It is capable of fine nuances of tonal colour and feels =
like a real drum=2C (even the tension and material of the skin has an effec=
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It's also capable of creating percussive sounds that don't have a real worl=
d equivalent.
That's about the extent of my knowledge of these 2 drums.


G


> Date: Mon=2C 28 Sep 2009 00:52:31 +0200
> Subject: Re: Wavedrum
> From: moinsound@googlemail.com
> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
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> > There is a new video on the Wavedrum (have you guys seen/posted it yet?=
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and real.<br>It's also capable of creating percussive sounds that don't hav=
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I've wanted an expression pedal with a toe switch though it didn't  
need to be MIDI. This would have been for controlling feedback + hold  
on the DL8000R. This isn't that, but the toe switch is the one thing I  
could see that would be different about a wah pedal as a MIDI  
controller relative to an expression pedal.

Mark

On Sep 26, 2009, at 11:46 AM, andy butler wrote:

> I think it's just that it's midi controllable.
>
> I can imagine it might be nice to have an analog wah which
> could also be a midi controller, ...but I don't
> that's what we have here.
>
> Buzap Buzap wrote:
>> Don't really get it - what's the point?
>> I either have a "real" wah pedal or I have a midi pedal (expression  
>> pedal) controlling some software fx.
>> best regards
>> Buzap
>
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Ha!
Pity you did not raise that question two weeks ago when I was in Bristol! We
could at least meet up! =)
Nice city btw and I really liked the piano in the center of the city that
anyone can play.

Louigi Verona.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Gareth Whittock
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> England. Anyone interested?
>
> peace
>
> G
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he piano in the center of the city that anyone can play.<br><br>Louigi Vero=
na.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Gareth Whit=
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Ah che pecato!=20
La prossima volta forse?

G

Date: Mon=2C 28 Sep 2009 10:01:22 +0400
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Ha!
Pity you did not raise that question two weeks ago when I was in Bristol! W=
e could at least meet up! =3D)
Nice city btw and I really liked the piano in the center of the city that a=
nyone can play.

Louigi Verona.


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G
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Ah che pecato! <br>La prossima volta forse?<br><br>G<br><br><hr id=3D"stopS=
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ng in Bristol anyone?<br>From: louigi.verona@gmail.com<br>To: Loopers-Delig=
ht@loopers-delight.com<br><br>Ha!<br>Pity you did not raise that question t=
wo weeks ago when I was in Bristol! We could at least meet up! =3D)<br>Nice=
 city btw and I really liked the piano in the center of the city that anyon=
e can play.<br><br>Louigi Verona.<br>
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reth Whittock <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:buddhamachine@live.=
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Ha! Sorry for the misunderstanding - although I have an Italian nickname I
am not from Italy and I do not understand Italian (at least, not yet!).
I am from Russia and 've been to Bristol on a business trip ;)

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Gareth Whittock
<buddhamachine@live.co.uk>wrote:

>  Ah che pecato!
> La prossima volta forse?
>
> G
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:01:22 +0400
> Subject: Re: Live looping in Bristol anyone?
> From: louigi.verona@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
> Ha!
> Pity you did not raise that question two weeks ago when I was in Bristol!
> We could at least meet up! =3D)
> Nice city btw and I really liked the piano in the center of the city that
> anyone can play.
>
> Louigi Verona.
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.u=
k
> > wrote:
>
>  Hey guys, I'm thinking of organising a live looping gig in Bristiol,
> England. Anyone interested?
>
> peace
>
> G
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Ha! Sorry for the misunderstanding - although I have an Italian nickname I =
am not from Italy and I do not understand Italian (at least, not yet!).<br>=
I am from Russia and &#39;ve been to Bristol on a business trip ;)<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Gareth Whittoc=
k <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:buddhamachine@live.co.uk">buddham=
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28 Sep 2009 10:01:22 +0400<br>Subject: Re: Live looping in Bristol anyone?<=
br>From: <a href=3D"mailto:louigi.verona@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">louig=
i.verona@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank=
">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">=
<br><br>Ha!<br>Pity you did not raise that question two weeks ago when I wa=
s in Bristol! We could at least meet up! =3D)<br>
Nice city btw and I really liked the piano in the center of the city that a=
nyone can play.<br><br>Louigi Verona.<br>
<br><div>On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Gareth Whittock <span dir=3D"ltr"=
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Gareth Whittock
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> Hey guys, I'm thinking of organising a live looping gig in Bristiol,
> England. Anyone interested?
>


Thickheaded morning here... Are you asking if anyone of us will come to see
you play in Bristol or are you asking if anyone of us wants to come to play
in Bristol?

For both alternative, got a time frame?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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<div>Hey guys, I&#39;m thinking of organising a live looping gig in Bristio=
l, England. Anyone interested?</div></blockquote></div><br><br>Thickheaded =
morning here... Are you asking if anyone of us will come to see you play in=
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Good point Per. I'm looking for people who want to play here. There's a sma=
shing little venue called the cube cinema and I saw a looping thereminist t=
here the other day - I think it'd be rather cool to make a bit of an event =
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t before the midwinter solstice with any luck.

peace

G

Date: Mon=2C 28 Sep 2009 11:16:31 +0200
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On Mon=2C Sep 28=2C 2009 at 7:45 AM=2C Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.=
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Hey guys=2C I'm thinking of organising a live looping gig in Bristiol=2C En=
gland. Anyone interested?

Thickheaded morning here... Are you asking if anyone of us will come to see=
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Hehe -tha'll teach me not to practice my didgy Italian in public!

g

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Ha! Sorry for the misunderstanding - although I have an Italian nickname I =
am not from Italy and I do not understand Italian (at least=2C not yet!).
I am from Russia and 've been to Bristol on a business trip =3B)


On Mon=2C Sep 28=2C 2009 at 12:22 PM=2C Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live=
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Ah che pecato!=20
La prossima volta forse?

G

Date: Mon=2C 28 Sep 2009 10:01:22 +0400
Subject: Re: Live looping in Bristol anyone?
From: louigi.verona@gmail.com

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Ha!
Pity you did not raise that question two weeks ago when I was in Bristol! W=
e could at least meet up! =3D)

Nice city btw and I really liked the piano in the center of the city that a=
nyone can play.

Louigi Verona.


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peace

G
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m<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><br>Ha! Sorry for the misun=
derstanding - although I have an Italian nickname I am not from Italy and I=
 do not understand Italian (at least=2C not yet!).<br>I am from Russia and =
've been to Bristol on a business trip =3B)<br><br>
<div class=3D"ecxgmail_quote">On Mon=2C Sep 28=2C 2009 at 12:22 PM=2C Garet=
h Whittock <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:buddhamachine@live.co.=
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Ah che pecato! <br>La prossima volta forse?<br><br>G<br><br><hr>Date: Mon=
=2C 28 Sep 2009 10:01:22 +0400<br>Subject: Re: Live looping in Bristol anyo=
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Nice city btw and I really liked the piano in the center of the city that a=
nyone can play.<br><br>Louigi Verona.<br>
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yeah, i might be up for that!

sim

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>  Hey guys, I'm thinking of organising a live looping gig in Bristiol,
> England. Anyone interested?
>
> peace
>
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Hello Gareth,

I would certainly be interested in playing in Bristol sometime. I can't make 
it in the next couple of months, but if it's mid-December(ish) it may be a 
possibility, especially if someone else from Kent (where I'm based) or 
London was coming and could share travelling costs.

Please do let me know if/when you have a definite date in mind.

Cheers,

Steve
www.stevemoyes.org.uk

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Hey guys, I'm thinking of organising a live looping gig in Bristiol, 
England. Anyone interested?

peace

G 


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November/December? It will depend on:



1 Whether there are enough people up for it

2 When we can all do it

3 How the venue is fixed - there are a number to choose from but the Cube i=
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> Date: Mon=2C 28 Sep 2009 10:32:32 +0000
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> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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yup, we (www.darkroomtheband.net) could be interested. keep us informed.


cheers,
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2009/9/28 Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>:
> Hey guys, I'm thinking of organising a live looping gig in Bristiol,
> England. Anyone interested?
>
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> Now when
> Pacman will come back to Mobius on the Mac I can't wish for more.
Stupid question: what the hell is actually Pacman (other than the nostalgic arcade game from the 80ies)?

> It's in Mainstage 1 as well. Just a little less "smart".
Really? I thought it was a MS2 feature to be able to pass along all these parameters (or wait... was it Mobius 1.39?)


>If you have been upgrading over old releases you may not have the
new esc key binding. Bring up the Keyboard Control dialog and select
the function "Move Display Components" and assign it to the key
of your choice.
Jeff, Per, gotta try this... would make life so much easier...

One more thing, Per:
Do you also monitor the inputs or do you just watch over them via looper channels?

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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> > Now when
> > Pacman will come back to Mobius on the Mac I can't wish for more.
> Stupid question: what the hell is actually Pacman
>

Mobius use a circular graphic radar with a rotating "playhead" to indicate
loop playback. The speed of the rotating playhead is faster the shorter the
loop is. On the Mac version these rotating indicators had to be changed for
round bulbs that grow from a one pixel point into a full circle on one loop
round. The Pacman is much better the The Bulb to give the musician a precise
indication on when the loop is turning. Especially when you play with
several parallel loops this is handy, because the linear global loop meter
only shows the playing loop on the selected track - but with the Pacmans you
see in just one glanze when all parallel loops will hit the downbeat.

 > It's in Mainstage 1 as well. Just a little less "smart".
Really?

It doesn't need so much time for setting up MIDI bindings and parameter
bindings. There are lots of small enhancement in programming work flow, like
for example that you can now select many objects and change a particular
parameter value for them all. To me that typically is "smart".

> One more thing, Per:
> Do you also monitor the inputs or do you just watch over them via looper
channels?

I'm not sure I correctly understand that, but I will try to answer what I
assume it is about.

As for graphically monitoring the input signal I have not set up a meter for
that in this new Mainstage 2 rig, for the reason I don't have a need for it
because I trim the input level carefully at both the audio interface level
and the Mainstage patch - and save those settings.

As for monitoring the input sound I do indeed monitor it through the active
patch's effects. The patch channel strip is set to Bus 1 (which is also the
bus Mobius looper on a software track is fetching its input from) and this
Bus 1 is set to "Output: Main Output 1-2", which is the output I amplify by
the house PA. So any sound input will be heard directly, although through
patch effects.

As for Mobius preference parameter "Monitor Input" I do not use it, for the
reason explained above.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Buzap Buzap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
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=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1p=
x solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div id=3D":18n" class=3D"ii gt">&gt; Now when<br>
&gt; Pacman will come back to Mobius on the Mac I can&#39;t wish for more.<=
br>
Stupid question: what the hell is actually Pacman </div></blockquote><div i=
d=3D":18n" class=3D"ii gt"><br>Mobius use a circular graphic radar with a r=
otating &quot;playhead&quot; to indicate loop playback. The speed of the ro=
tating playhead is faster the shorter the loop is. On the Mac version these=
 rotating indicators had to be changed for round bulbs that grow from a one=
 pixel point into a full circle on one loop round. The Pacman is much bette=
r the The Bulb to give the musician a precise indication on when the loop i=
s turning. Especially when you play with several parallel loops this is han=
dy, because the linear global loop meter only shows the playing loop on the=
 selected track - but with the Pacmans you see in just one glanze when all =
parallel loops will hit the downbeat. <br>
<br>=C2=A0&gt; It&#39;s in Mainstage 1 as well. Just a little less &quot;sm=
art&quot;.<br>
Really? <br><br>It doesn&#39;t need so much time for setting up MIDI bindin=
gs and parameter bindings. There are lots of small enhancement in programmi=
ng work flow, like for example that you can now select many objects and cha=
nge a particular parameter value for them all. To me that typically is &quo=
t;smart&quot;. <br>

<br>
&gt; One more thing, Per:<br>
&gt; Do you also monitor the inputs or do you just watch over them via loop=
er channels?</div></div><br>I&#39;m not sure I correctly understand that, b=
ut I will try to answer what I assume it is about. <br><br>As for graphical=
ly monitoring the input signal I have not set up a meter for that in this n=
ew Mainstage 2 rig, for the reason I don&#39;t have a need for it because I=
 trim the input level carefully at both the audio interface level and the M=
ainstage patch - and save those settings. <br>
<br>As for monitoring the input sound I do indeed monitor it through the ac=
tive patch&#39;s effects. The patch channel strip is set to Bus 1 (which is=
 also the bus Mobius looper on a software track is fetching its input from)=
 and this Bus 1 is set to &quot;Output: Main Output 1-2&quot;, which is the=
 output I amplify by the house PA. So any sound input will be heard directl=
y, although through patch effects. <br>
<br>As for Mobius preference parameter &quot;Monitor Input&quot; I do not u=
se it, for the reason explained above. <br><br>Greetings from Sweden<br><br=
>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a hr=
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I am new to looping and am seeking some newbie advice. I have an opportunity
to buy a Bomerang for cheap, and I was ready to get it when I read about
people using Mobius and the Behringer fcb1010. Ideally I would like to
attempt to do some looping in a live setting with and without a band. I am
very comfortable working with computers and programming, so Mobius has a
certain appeal to me...plus it seems like you can do a lot more with it. At
the same time, I have two little kids and I don't know how much time I will
have to learn a device and I have read that the Boomerang is very easy to
use. Normally I wouldn't ask for advice and I would research this to death,
but there is a small window of time to pick up the Boomerang if i want it.

Any thoughts?

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I am new to looping and am seeking some newbie advice. I have an opportunit=
y to buy a Bomerang for cheap, and I was ready to get it when I read about =
people using Mobius and the Behringer fcb1010. Ideally I would like to atte=
mpt to do some looping in a live setting with and without a band. I am very=
 comfortable working with computers and programming, so Mobius has a certai=
n appeal to me...plus it seems like you can do a lot more with it. At the s=
ame time, I have two little kids and I don&#39;t know how much time I will =
have to learn a device and I have read that the Boomerang is very easy to u=
se. Normally I wouldn&#39;t ask for advice and I would research this to dea=
th, but there is a small window of time to pick up the Boomerang if i want =
it.<br>
<br>Any thoughts?<br><br><br>

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Here's a strategic advice: Go for the Bomerang. Have a hell of a lot fun
with it until your kids too want to loop. Then give them the 'rang to keep
them out of your way as you dedicate quality time into exploring Mobius!
;-))

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com


On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Greg Harmelink <greg2000@uga.edu> wrote:

> I am new to looping and am seeking some newbie advice. I have an
> opportunity to buy a Bomerang for cheap, and I was ready to get it when I
> read about people using Mobius and the Behringer fcb1010. Ideally I would
> like to attempt to do some looping in a live setting with and without a
> band. I am very comfortable working with computers and programming, so
> Mobius has a certain appeal to me...plus it seems like you can do a lot more
> with it. At the same time, I have two little kids and I don't know how much
> time I will have to learn a device and I have read that the Boomerang is
> very easy to use. Normally I wouldn't ask for advice and I would research
> this to death, but there is a small window of time to pick up the Boomerang
> if i want it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
>

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Here&#39;s a strategic advice: Go for the Bomerang. Have a hell of a lot fu=
n with it until your kids too want to loop. Then give them the &#39;rang to=
 keep them out of your way as you dedicate quality time into exploring Mobi=
us! ;-)) <br>
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.co=
m">www.perboysen.com</a><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Greg Ha=
rmelink <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:greg2000@uga.edu">greg2000@=
uga.edu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
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ing-left: 1ex;">
I am new to looping and am seeking some newbie advice. I have an opportunit=
y to buy a Bomerang for cheap, and I was ready to get it when I read about =
people using Mobius and the Behringer fcb1010. Ideally I would like to atte=
mpt to do some looping in a live setting with and without a band. I am very=
 comfortable working with computers and programming, so Mobius has a certai=
n appeal to me...plus it seems like you can do a lot more with it. At the s=
ame time, I have two little kids and I don&#39;t know how much time I will =
have to learn a device and I have read that the Boomerang is very easy to u=
se. Normally I wouldn&#39;t ask for advice and I would research this to dea=
th, but there is a small window of time to pick up the Boomerang if i want =
it.<br>

<br>Any thoughts?<br><br><br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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Greg asked:
> I have an opportunity to buy a Bomerang for cheap, and I was ready to get it when I read about people using Mobius and the Behringer fcb1010.
> [...]

I want to second Per's advice, perhaps with some more reasoning also
written down ;).

Mobius is an extremely powerful looper. Being based on one of the most
complex hardware loopers ever made (the EDP) and taking it to a new
level of complexity by combining eight stereo pairs of them with a
powerful scripting language, adding to that the necessary steps to get
it working in an environment requring signal routing in your computer
and programming a foot controller, it takes quite some time to get
going, especially for a newbie - and that may be a problem if
available time is an issue.

The simpler hardware boxes, however, grant you the possibility for
instant gratification. And while you work with the 'rang (or any other
basic piece of looping hardware), you'll quickly discover how you like
to work and consequently how to make the best use of Mobius in the
future.

Good luck,

           Rainer

(dedicated Mobius user since 2006, having started with a Headrush and
a digitech RDS and still using a DD20 and a SMM a lot)

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Hi Per

aah, that's the pacman... ;) Yes, I like it much more than the balloon. Would love to see it on Mac, too.

> It doesn't need so much time for setting up MIDI bindings and parameter
> bindings. 
So what I wonder: Do you simple fetch a midi parameter in Mainstage and pass it through as midi to Mobius directly?
Or do you pass it along to Mobius using an AU plugin parameter in Mainstage?

For monitoring, I think your process is clear now, thanks.
Actually, that might be the only reason for me NOT to loop without any display. Other than that, I try to come up with a setup where I don't have a display.

best regards
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Hi Greg

welcome to the looping game :-)
I would also definitely second Per's instant gratification strategy amd get a hardware looper first.

I was in a similar situation a few years ago. I love Mobius' limitless possibilities - but I'm still in a transition phase from hardware to software looping. And I would never wanted to have missed out on the fun I had with my hardware looper. Plus, I think it's always handy to have a true hardware setup as a backup to software looper.

So, go for the Boomerang! 
But wait: If you want one more advice: Go for the Boomerang III !

I know with kids, you have to prioritize your investments carefully. But imo, the Boomerang III opens up so many more possibilities (and simple sound quality) - I think it'd be a decision you wouldn't regret.

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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> > It doesn't need so much time for setting up MIDI bindings and parameter
> > bindings.
> So what I wonder: Do you simple fetch a midi parameter in Mainstage and
> pass it through as midi to Mobius directly?
> Or do you pass it along to Mobius using an AU plugin parameter in
> Mainstage?



I don't understand exactly what you are asking, so to be safe I will
explain:

In Mainstage you set up a graphic rig of control objects on the screen that
matches your external physical hardware that you want to use for adjusting
software parameter's values.

When you are happy with your graphic design you use traditional "MIDI Learn"
technique to map incoming external MIDI events sent out by your physical
hardware to the Screen Control Objects in Mainstage.

Finally you map Mainstage's Screen Control Objects to the target software
parameters. In this process you may apply lots of scaling, reversing, cross
fading, multiple mapping etc to trim the setup according to your physical
control gear.

-----------------------------------------

With Mobius you may alternatively use the classical method of mapping
incoming external MIDI events directly to Mobius parameters. I not do this
any more. As a consequence I have no physical MIDI In port enabled inside
Mobius. My Mobius AU totally relies on the AU protocol that Mainstage data
routing draws on. It's not as deeply modular as Bidule but totally
sufficient for my needs ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Buzap Buzap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:buzap@gmx.net">buzap@gmx.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1p=
x solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">&gt; It doesn&#39;t need so much time for setting up MIDI=
 bindings and parameter<br>
&gt; bindings.<br>
</div>So what I wonder: Do you simple fetch a midi parameter in Mainstage a=
nd pass it through as midi to Mobius directly?<br>
Or do you pass it along to Mobius using an AU plugin parameter in Mainstage=
?</blockquote></div><br><br>I don&#39;t understand exactly what you are ask=
ing, so to be safe I will explain: <br><br>In Mainstage you set up a graphi=
c rig of control objects on the screen that matches your external physical =
hardware that you want to use for adjusting software parameter&#39;s values=
. <br>
<br>When you are happy with your graphic design you use traditional &quot;M=
IDI Learn&quot; technique to map incoming external MIDI events sent out by =
your physical hardware to the Screen Control Objects in Mainstage. <br>
<br>Finally you map Mainstage&#39;s Screen Control Objects to the target so=
ftware parameters. In this process you may apply lots of scaling, reversing=
, cross fading, multiple mapping etc to trim the setup according to your ph=
ysical control gear. <br>
<br>-----------------------------------------<br><br>With Mobius you may al=
ternatively use the classical method of mapping incoming external MIDI even=
ts directly to Mobius parameters. I not do this any more. As a consequence =
I have no physical MIDI In port enabled inside Mobius. My Mobius AU totally=
 relies on the AU protocol that Mainstage data routing draws on. It&#39;s n=
ot as deeply modular as Bidule but totally sufficient for my needs ;-)<br>
<br>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"http://www.boyse=
n.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboys=
en.com</a><br>

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Eric,

I listened a bit yesterday to your downloaded track.

You very much have a spot-on Jerry Garcia vibe and tone going on there.

Good to hear from somebody new up here on LD - thanks for sharing with  
us.

Keep it up.

Ted


On Sep 27, 2009, at 6:13 PM, E Gross wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> After lurking for a long time I decided to post my latest  
> meditation, it is at http://www.box.net/shared/1ak0n4dsth
>
> All realtime no edits.
>
> Sorry for the hum and noisy pots and clicks I need to fix that.
>
> Constructive criticism is appreciated, I want to thank the list for  
> the looping education, it has been a great learning experience, not  
> just for looping but music production, listening, and enjoyment in  
> general.
>
> Eric (grossloops)

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Thanks for all the great feedback!
I'm going to go with the Boomerang v2. It's all I can afford right now...
and at $200, I should be able to sell it at a similar price if I ever move
on to something else.

I still see myself trying to get a little time with mobius. I'm curious if
you can use momentary pedals hooked up to midi keyboards to control mobius.

thanks again. great group.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi Greg
>
> welcome to the looping game :-)
> I would also definitely second Per's instant gratification strategy amd g=
et
> a hardware looper first.
>
> I was in a similar situation a few years ago. I love Mobius' limitless
> possibilities - but I'm still in a transition phase from hardware to
> software looping. And I would never wanted to have missed out on the fun =
I
> had with my hardware looper. Plus, I think it's always handy to have a tr=
ue
> hardware setup as a backup to software looper.
>
> So, go for the Boomerang!
> But wait: If you want one more advice: Go for the Boomerang III !
>
> I know with kids, you have to prioritize your investments carefully. But
> imo, the Boomerang III opens up so many more possibilities (and simple so=
und
> quality) - I think it'd be a decision you wouldn't regret.
>
> best regards
> Buzap
>
> --
> Neu: GMX Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate
> f=FCr nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02
>
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Thanks for all the great feedback!<br>I&#39;m going to go with the Boomeran=
g v2. It&#39;s all I can afford right now... and at $200, I should be able =
to sell it at a similar price if I ever move on to something else. <br><br>
I still see myself trying to get a little time with mobius. I&#39;m curious=
 if you can use momentary pedals hooked up to midi keyboards to control mob=
ius.<br><br>thanks again. great group.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Buzap Buzap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:buzap@gmx.net">buzap@gmx.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);=
 margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi Greg<br>
<br>
welcome to the looping game :-)<br>
I would also definitely second Per&#39;s instant gratification strategy amd=
 get a hardware looper first.<br>
<br>
I was in a similar situation a few years ago. I love Mobius&#39; limitless =
possibilities - but I&#39;m still in a transition phase from hardware to so=
ftware looping. And I would never wanted to have missed out on the fun I ha=
d with my hardware looper. Plus, I think it&#39;s always handy to have a tr=
ue hardware setup as a backup to software looper.<br>

<br>
So, go for the Boomerang!<br>
But wait: If you want one more advice: Go for the Boomerang III !<br>
<br>
I know with kids, you have to prioritize your investments carefully. But im=
o, the Boomerang III opens up so many more possibilities (and simple sound =
quality) - I think it&#39;d be a decision you wouldn&#39;t regret.<br>

<br>
best regards<br>
Buzap<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
Neu: GMX Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate<br>
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<br>
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the Boomerang is very easy to use.

 


 


 

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Hi folks,

This Saturday October 3rd is the date for the first ever Virtual Sound and
Vision Festival!

The Virtual Venue is http://vsv.kybermusik.net

Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/vsvfestival

Blog: http://blogs.myspace.com/vsvfestival

We hope you all will join us!

Best,

VSV Festival
vsvfestival@myspace.com


ps

I am not able to subscribe the myspace email to the list for some reason so 
I sent it this way.





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$200 ...seems fair from what I've seen on ebay

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:

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>  the Boomerang is very easy to use.
>
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<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 3px;">the B=
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Jeff said:
> This Saturday October 3rd is the date for the first ever Virtual Sound an=
d Vision Festival!

and let me add the following:
* We've got an impressive lineup for this event.
More specifically:
17:00 - Jim Goodin/Ray Istorico/Peter Th=F6rn (USA/Sweden)
17:30 - Rainer Straschill "plus" (Germany)
18:00 - David Cooper Orton (UK)
18:30 - Steve Moyes/Agnes Hay (UK)
19:00 - Jeff Duke (USA)
19:30 - Flying Dream (Spain)
20:00 - Jean-Paul De Roover (Canada)
20:30 - Fabio Anile/Xavier Plagaro Mussard (Italy)
21:00 - Matt Stevens (UK)

* As stated, go to vsv.kybermusik.net for listening. All you need is a
computer with internet connection. (Free) registration with the
ustream service is not required for watching.

Yours,

           Rainer

*** VIRTUAL SOUND AND VISION FESTIVAL - October 3rd, 1700 UTC at
vsv.kybermusik.net - visit us at myspace.com/vsvfestival ***

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Hello,

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DEAR SIR/ MADAM.
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REGARDS AND BEST WISHED TO INTERESTING BUYER/S WAITING FOR YOUR EARLIEST REPLY.
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peace

Gareth



> From: stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk
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Ok  Thanks Simeon=2C=20
I'll keep you posted.

Gareth

Date: Mon=2C 28 Sep 2009 10:40:54 +0100
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yeah=2C i might be up for that!

sim

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Ok  Thanks Simeon=2C=20
I'll keep you posted.

Gareth

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yeah=2C i might be up for that!

sim

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Hi all,
I'm a Logic user so I have Mainstage at my disposal.  I've looked into it
but have never done anything in depth with it.  For live use I always end up
using Ableton, Kore or hardware loopers depending on the project.  What are
some of the key features people like with Mainstage compared to say Ableton
Live?  Whether it's looping or realtime mangling.
Also I found what Per wrote was interesting.

Finally you map Mainstage's Screen Control Objects to the target software
> parameters. In this process you may apply lots of scaling, reversing, cross
> fading, multiple mapping etc to trim the setup according to your physical
> control gear.


I was wondering if you could expand on this idea and the benefits.  This is
a part I haven't delved into too much with Mainstage.

Thankyou.

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Hi all,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m a Logic user so I have Mainstage at my d=
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ith it. =A0For live use I always end up using Ableton, Kore or hardware loo=
pers depending on the project. =A0What are some of the key features people =
like with Mainstage compared to say Ableton Live? =A0Whether it&#39;s loopi=
ng or realtime mangling. =A0</div>
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wonder how things are going with the new loop v software looping plugin.
is there any beta testers group? i've seen some are using it, but can't find
any news on mathons.com nor the forum.

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<br clear="all">wonder how things are going with the new loop v software looping plugin.<br>is there any beta testers group? i&#39;ve seen some are using it, but can&#39;t find any news on <a href="http://mathons.com">mathons.com</a> nor the forum.<br>
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Has anyone done a throughout analysis how the Boss DD20 handles its
delay memory when first reducing, then again increasing delay time?
(Ted, I'm looking in your general virtual direction here ;).

The reason I'm asking. Just encountered some interesting behaviour
(and no, haven't tried to reproduce it, this is my last msg before
going to bed...):

Played the guitar into the DD20 - mode "smooth" from a memory slot,
preset to 23sec., reduced to a few seconds ("two bars") by taptempo
(via external FS), feedback about 60%.
I played some with that setting, then ended by tapping in a shorter
delay time (370ms) for that "unrounded multiply", had that fade out,
turned the delay off (left FS), set feedback to 100% and turned the
delay time back up to 23s with the depressed delay time knob ("time
advance").

During the turning up, I heard some of the DD20-glitching, then after
I had brought up the delay time again and released the time knob, the
last version of the delay contents before I did the shortening to
370ms became audible - it seemed that the part of the delay content
that was "multiplied away" had stayed in memory and thus got included
again after I turned the delay time back up.

Sooo...is this a known effect/feature? Can one make use of that in a
predictable manner (or, even better, in a non-predictable one)?

           Rainer

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Rainer,

Yeah that's a little glitchy bug/feture I use pretty frequently with  
the DD20.

Changing time on it does NOT change pitch when you turn the knob but  
rather the device starts cutting off and throwing away some audio  
information (not from the beginning point of the loop but from the  
point of the loop that is playing or about to play).

Then when you turn the time value  back to the full length (or beyond  
the point where the loop was initially set and created) it seems to   
insert bit's of left-over scrambled audio data from the buffer.

I have not tried your specific scenario (perhaps I will have to do so  
sometime soon, heheh).

But it seems like what you are saying confirms that even if you trim  
off some part of a loop by turning the knob to a shorter time, when  
you turn it back to a much longer one it reintroduces some pieces of  
audio that had been trimmed off.

I have only experimented with wobbling the time knob back and forth  
rhythmically trying to introduce glitchy noises.

If I figure out anything more about what it's doing I will share my  
thoughts on it.

The DD20 is really an underrated device IMHO.

It will do a lot of clever things many people would never expect.

And, like I've said many times before, if you own more than one . . .  
the internal clock in them is amazingly accurate and consistent.

Just set 2 side by side with the same millisecond value dialed in on  
both and play something into both at the same time.

It will take 15-20 minutes before you can detect any drift between the  
2.

To me that is nothing short of amazing.

I owned 3 at one point and am now back down to just one.

Despite all the rack gear I own, I still find the little sucker  
amazingly handy.

Sleep well my German friend.

Ted


On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote:

> Has anyone done a throughout analysis how the Boss DD20 handles its
> delay memory when first reducing, then again increasing delay time?
> (Ted, I'm looking in your general virtual direction here ;).
>
> The reason I'm asking. Just encountered some interesting behaviour
> (and no, haven't tried to reproduce it, this is my last msg before
> going to bed...):
>
> Played the guitar into the DD20 - mode "smooth" from a memory slot,
> preset to 23sec., reduced to a few seconds ("two bars") by taptempo
> (via external FS), feedback about 60%.
> I played some with that setting, then ended by tapping in a shorter
> delay time (370ms) for that "unrounded multiply", had that fade out,
> turned the delay off (left FS), set feedback to 100% and turned the
> delay time back up to 23s with the depressed delay time knob ("time
> advance").
>
> During the turning up, I heard some of the DD20-glitching, then after
> I had brought up the delay time again and released the time knob, the
> last version of the delay contents before I did the shortening to
> 370ms became audible - it seemed that the part of the delay content
> that was "multiplied away" had stayed in memory and thus got included
> again after I turned the delay time back up.
>
> Sooo...is this a known effect/feature? Can one make use of that in a
> predictable manner (or, even better, in a non-predictable one)?
>
>           Rainer

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Mainstage has a lot of interesting performance-oriented ideas, including the
customization of the display to show you just what you want to see as big as
you want it for a situation where, say, you might be playing a guitar and be
a few of feet away from the computer.

But the bigger motivation for Mainstage use, for me, is access to the Logic
effects processors and synths, which of course Live doesn't have.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:10 PM, r.domain <rdomain@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm a Logic user so I have Mainstage at my disposal.  I've looked into it
> but have never done anything in depth with it.  For live use I always end up
> using Ableton, Kore or hardware loopers depending on the project.  What are
> some of the key features people like with Mainstage compared to say Ableton
> Live?  Whether it's looping or realtime mangling.
> Also I found what Per wrote was interesting.
>
> Finally you map Mainstage's Screen Control Objects to the target software
>> parameters. In this process you may apply lots of scaling, reversing,
>> cross
>> fading, multiple mapping etc to trim the setup according to your physical
>> control gear.
>
>
> I was wondering if you could expand on this idea and the benefits.  This is
> a part I haven't delved into too much with Mainstage.
>
> Thankyou.
>
> Ritchie
>
> --
> aritchie.com
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Mainstage has a lot of interesting performance-oriented ideas, including th=
e customization of the display to show you just what you want to see as big=
 as you want it for a situation where, say, you might be playing a guitar a=
nd be a few of feet away from the computer.<br>
<br>But the bigger motivation for Mainstage use, for me, is access to the L=
ogic effects processors and synths, which of course Live doesn&#39;t have. =
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:10 PM, r.domai=
n <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rdomain@gmail.com">rdomain@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all,<div><br><=
/div><div>I&#39;m a Logic user so I have Mainstage at my disposal. =A0I&#39=
;ve looked into it but have never done anything in depth with it. =A0For li=
ve use I always end up using Ableton, Kore or hardware loopers depending on=
 the project. =A0What are some of the key features people like with Mainsta=
ge compared to say Ableton Live? =A0Whether it&#39;s looping or realtime ma=
ngling. =A0</div>

<div>Also I found what Per wrote was interesting.</div><div><br></div><div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<span style=3D"font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-colla=
pse: collapse;">Finally you map Mainstage&#39;s Screen Control Objects to t=
he target software<br>parameters. In this process you may apply lots of sca=
ling, reversing, cross<br>

fading, multiple mapping etc to trim the setup according to your physical<b=
r>control gear.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I was wondering if y=
ou could expand on this idea and the benefits. =A0This is a part I haven&#3=
9;t delved into too much with Mainstage.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>Thankyou.</div><div><br></div><div>Ritchie</div><br>-- =
<br><a href=3D"http://aritchie.com" target=3D"_blank">aritchie.com</a><br>
</div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679">http://www.ubetoo.com/Arti=
st.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.warrensirota.com">http=
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and, btw, i have *just* discovered the ES2 synth in Logic (I have barely had
time to scratch the surface of this package after a year). Shades of the
Oberheim Matrix 6, which everyone was drooling over 20 years ago or
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I'm as well really interested in this.

El 28/09/2009, a las 21:15, Raul Bonell escribi=F3:

>
> wonder how things are going with the new loop v software looping =20
> plugin.
> is there any beta testers group? i've seen some are using it, but =20
> can't find any news on mathons.com nor the forum.
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looping plugin.<br>is there any beta testers group? i've seen some are =
using it, but can't find any news on <a =
href=3D"http://mathons.com">mathons.com</a> nor the forum.<br> <br>-- =
<br>Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a =
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<br>Chain Tape Collective: <a =
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2009/9/29 Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>

> and, btw, i have *just* discovered the ES2 synth in Logic (I have barely
> had time to scratch the surface of this package after a year). Shades of the
> Oberheim Matrix 6, which everyone was drooling over 20 years ago or
> whenever. This is one deep instrument!
>

i still owning the rack version, matrix-1000 which logic can't slightly
emulate .-)

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/29 Warren Sirota <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com">wsirota@wsdesigns.com</a>&gt=
;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px sol=
id rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
and, btw, i have *just* discovered the ES2 synth in Logic (I have barely ha=
d time to scratch the surface of this package after a year). Shades of the =
Oberheim Matrix 6, which everyone was drooling over 20 years ago or wheneve=
r. This is one deep instrument!<br>

</blockquote></div><br>i still owning the rack version, matrix-1000 which l=
ogic can&#39;t slightly emulate .-)<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell=
 at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.b=
logspot.com</a><br>
Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.=
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> The DD20 is really an underrated device IMHO.
> It will do a lot of clever things many people would never expect.

I Agree. The DD-20 was my first looping pedal, it's very simple but
really good. Very reliable, very accurate clock, good sound,
especially the analog delay emulation. I don't know if it sounds like
one but it is a very usefull sound. I think I would ask for 2 DD-20's
if my laptop would crash 30 minutes before a gig ;-)

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And I forgot to mention the undocumented feature about the hidden 2nd
loop. If I remember it well, you could record a 2nd loop if you used a
similar fx type and switched to next preset. And it's stereo too
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Hi Warren

yes, I have just (re)discovered Mainstage myself recently - and I really like it :)

The advantages imo:
- You can design your custom UI surface with sliders, knobs, level meters etc. exactly the way you need. Actually, I have i.e. rebuild my hardware controller on the screen.
- Assigning to midi controllers is very easy. I esp. like the flexibility you have (single value, toggle, parameter range...).
- I like the way it's handling esp. keyboard layers, allowing you to control in great detail how you want to use a master midi keyboard.
- Patches are a nice way to organize your ... well patches.
- Overall, so far it seems to make efficient use of resources (CPU, memory).
- And the most important factor: I always found it frustrating to emulate my hardware fx in Logic and vice versa. Here, I'm able to re-use the Logic effects, instruments and routing possibilities I'm familiar with. And if I stumble upon a good idea for a song while looping, I can easily replicate it in Logic with the same settings.
- Oh, and of course: if you're already a Logic user, you get it for free :-)

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gareth,
Sure am interested! My input would be stacking tracks on a jamman,
mostly percussion , effects, voice and rhythm guitar. New to the scene
though.. advice also sought!
Good one,
Tim

2009/9/28 Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>:
> Hey guys, I'm thinking of organising a live looping gig in Bristiol,
> England. Anyone interested?
>
> peace
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:10 AM, r.domain <rdomain@gmail.com> wrote:

> Finally you map Mainstage's Screen Control Objects to the target software
>> parameters. In this process you may apply lots of scaling, reversing,
>> cross
>> fading, multiple mapping etc to trim the setup according to your physical
>> control gear.
>
>
> I was wondering if you could expand on this idea and the benefits.  This is
> a part I haven't delved into too much with Mainstage.
>



Scaling is one of the most essential techniques for live performing with
electronics. A physical MIDI controller usually sends either two events, on
or off, or it sends one of 128 continuous values for a parameter. But you
may need a different range to effectively play certain electronic parameters
in the box. A typical example is if you have an Autofilter on a loop track
output and use this for aggressive resonance tone and now you want to play
the resonance from a knob or expression pedal. The range of the resonance
parameter where "things come alive" may be like fiver percent of this
parameters total range. You would never be able to make music with a pedal
or knob that goes all the way. So then you scale the range of the physical
control gear to match the range that is musically interesting in the
software.

Another example is if you want to use a MIDI expression pedal to control
different parameters, maybe even different plugins? Then you simply create
as many screen control objects you need and scale them for different unique
targets. For example, at the toe-down position you may want a short delay to
become active and go into 100% feedback (to freeze audio) and then as you
back off the pedal, toe-upwards, you may want a filter to cut off high end
and at the same time compensate the musically experienced "level" by a
scaled increase in volume. Stuff like that is much quicker to set up in
Mainstage 2 than in Mainstage 1.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:10 AM, r.domain <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
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nt-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;">F=
inally you map Mainstage&#39;s Screen Control Objects to the target softwar=
e<br>
parameters. In this process you may apply lots of scaling, reversing, cross=
<br>
fading, multiple mapping etc to trim the setup according to your physical<b=
r>control gear.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I was wondering if y=
ou could expand on this idea and the benefits. =C2=A0This is a part I haven=
&#39;t delved into too much with Mainstage.=C2=A0</div>

<div></div></blockquote></div><br><br><br>Scaling is one of the most essent=
ial techniques for live performing with electronics. A physical MIDI contro=
ller usually sends either two events, on or off, or it sends one of 128 con=
tinuous values for a parameter. But you may need a different range to effec=
tively play certain electronic parameters in the box. A typical example is =
if you have an Autofilter on a loop track output and use this for aggressiv=
e resonance tone and now you want to play the resonance from a knob or expr=
ession pedal. The range of the resonance parameter where &quot;things come =
alive&quot; may be like fiver percent of this parameters total range. You w=
ould never be able to make music with a pedal or knob that goes all the way=
. So then you scale the range of the physical control gear to match the ran=
ge that is musically interesting in the software. <br>
<br>Another example is if you want to use a MIDI expression pedal to contro=
l different parameters, maybe even different plugins? Then you simply creat=
e as many screen control objects you need and scale them for different uniq=
ue targets. For example, at the toe-down position you may want a short dela=
y to become active and go into 100% feedback (to freeze audio) and then as =
you back off the pedal, toe-upwards, you may want a filter to cut off high =
end and at the same time compensate the musically experienced &quot;level&q=
uot; by a scaled increase in volume. Stuff like that is much quicker to set=
 up in Mainstage 2 than in Mainstage 1.<br>
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.co=
m">www.perboysen.com</a><br>
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Hi Gareth and the band,
Bristol is not so far from home... I would happy to join you for =20
playing Bandonion looping music and showing off Logelloop! Of course, =20=

this depends on the period...
Regards,
Philippe OLLIVIER.

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http://logelloop.logellou.com/
www.philippeollivier.com







Le 29 sept. 2009 =E0 10:35, Tim Watson a =E9crit :

> gareth,
> Sure am interested! My input would be stacking tracks on a jamman,
> mostly percussion , effects, voice and rhythm guitar. New to the scene
> though.. advice also sought!
> Good one,
> Tim
>
> 2009/9/28 Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>:
>> Hey guys, I'm thinking of organising a live looping gig in Bristiol,
>> England. Anyone interested?
>>
>> peace
>>
>> G
>>
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Dear Ted, Sjaak,

thanks for your replies, and thanks, Ted, for confirming that
behaviour I encountered. I guess I have to investigate that much
further - this looks like a useful feature to me.

As for the DD20 in general. I remember a while back when Rick brought
up the topic (or jumped onto it) of a good "first looper", I (with
experiences including Headrush, DL4, SMM and the DD20) would recommend
the DD20, while Rick was more on the DL4 side of things (no wonder, as
it allows for retriggering - important for a rhythmic player, and he
also told me that he does not make use of adjustable feedback, which
(especially in its "primary" version (EDP lingo) has become very
central to me).

So, if you leave aside the "Sound on Sound" mode (the official looping
function), this is an outstanding pedal by its kindof unrounded
multiply alone.

Now, my personal wishlist contains this one feature that you can
return to an already running delay with the left FS - any DSP code
hackers here?

            Rainer

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Dear friend,
Before I proceed I must first apologize for this unsolicited mail to you,i am aware that this is certainly an unconventional approach to start a relationship, but as time goes on you will realize the need for my action.
I am Barrister Whittal Joseph, a legal practitioner,and the personal attorney to late Mr.George Wood, a national Of your country, who used to work with a Gold Mining Company here in Accra Ghana,he used to be  my client. On the 21th October, 2006, my client, his wife and their only daughter were involved in a car accident along Kumasi express Road here in Ghana.
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After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to track his last name over the Internet, to locate any member of his family hence I contacted you.
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I am Barrister Whittal Joseph, a legal practitioner,and the personal attorney to late Mr.George Wood, a national Of your country, who used to work with a Gold Mining Company here in Accra Ghana,he used to be  my client. On the 21th October, 2006, my client, his wife and their only daughter were involved in a car accident along Kumasi express Road here in Ghana.
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After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to track his last name over the Internet, to locate any member of his family hence I contacted you.
I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the fund valued at US$6.5 million left behind by my client before it gets confiscated or declared unserviceable by the GHANA COMMERCIAL BANK  LTD  where this huge amount were deposited.
The said GHANA COMMERCIAL BANK  LTD  has issued me a notice to provide the next of kin or have his account confiscated within the next twenty one (21) working days.
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I have all necessary information and legal documents needed to back you up for claim.All I require from you is your honest cooperation to enable us see this transaction through.
I guarantee that this will be executed under legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law.
Best Regards,
Whittal Joseph,Esq


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Hi Gareth and the band,
Bristol is not so far from home... I would happy to join you for =20
playing Bandonion looping music and showing off Logelloop! Of course, =20=

this depends on the period...
Regards,
Philippe OLLIVIER.

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www.philippeollivier.com







Le 29 sept. 2009 =E0 10:35, Tim Watson a =E9crit :

> gareth,
> Sure am interested! My input would be stacking tracks on a jamman,
> mostly percussion , effects, voice and rhythm guitar. New to the scene
> though.. advice also sought!
> Good one,
> Tim
>
> 2009/9/28 Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>:
>> Hey guys, I'm thinking of organising a live looping gig in Bristiol,
>> England. Anyone interested?
>>
>> peace
>>
>> G
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It could very well be possible for me to find myself in Bristol in =
December... so long as I get my driver's license by then.
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  Hi Gareth and the band,
  Bristol is not so far from home... I would happy to join you for =
playing Bandonion looping music and showing off Logelloop! Of course, =
this depends on the period...
  Regards,

  Philippe OLLIVIER.




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  http://logelloop.logellou.com/

  www.philippeollivier.com















  Le 29 sept. 2009 =E0 10:35, Tim Watson a =E9crit :


    gareth,
    Sure am interested! My input would be stacking tracks on a jamman,
    mostly percussion , effects, voice and rhythm guitar. New to the =
scene
    though.. advice also sought!
    Good one,
    Tim

    2009/9/28 Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>:

      Hey guys, I'm thinking of organising a live looping gig in =
Bristiol,

      England. Anyone interested?



      peace



      G



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  Philippe OLLIVIER
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Philippe ollivier
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> Bristol is not so far from home... I would happy to join you for playing
> Bandonion looping music and showing off=C2=A0Logelloop!


Ahh, Logelloop! I just love that multi track glissando stuff you can
pull off with that looer! :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Just picked it up over lunch. I love it already.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Greg Harmelink <greg2000@uga.edu> wrote:

> $200 ...seems fair from what I've seen on ebay
>
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>>  the Boomerang is very easy to use.
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Just picked it up over lunch. I love it already.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
nemoguitt@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">nemoguitt@aol.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
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<div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 3px;">the B=
oomerang is very easy to use.</blockquote>
<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>
</div><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">greg.....how much for the=
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Hi Greg,=0A=0ACongratulations you will have fun. I got a boomerang for my f=
irst looper, also use Mobius but because I am on computer for work all day,=
 don't feel inclined to using it for fun (although Mobius is excellent, som=
eday when I have time I will investigate it further).=0A=0ASome cool things=
 to do with the boomerang:=0AFeedback loop of amp (mine is very noisy when =
placed in front of the amp)=0A=0AGreat as a delay, usually for stage setup =
I set B channel for small repeats, and A channel for large repeats. So swit=
ch to=A0B channel, then tap timing in on Record, then hit Stack. If you tap=
 very quick two times on Record you will get a nice slapback echo type dela=
y. If you tap in longer time then=A0it is fun to occasional hit the Reverse=
 button to get interesting sounds, I like to tap it in time with the song t=
hat sounds good. A little trick when playing in this mode=A0is to hit Stack=
 off at the end of the song then hit Reverse right away, then slowly roll o=
ff the volume. Especially effective if you were playing a lead line at the =
end of the song. A real crowd pleaser!=0A=0AI keep Channel A on long repeat=
s for any looping bits that may come up during a song, or between songs if =
the drummer needs to get a beer. Through practice you will learn how to adj=
ust volume when recording=A0different loops to get a decent mix of sounds. =
Don't forget to hit Reverse and record a bit then flip it back the other wa=
y. Hours of fun!=0A=0AAlso fun is to use 16 or 8 repeats and record a loop,=
 then hit stack and just keep playing, the first bits will slowly fade and =
new bits will be added, it is fun to try to=A0keep a theme going while addi=
ng a melody (or just noise). Don't forget to hit Reverse every once in a wh=
ile.=0A=0AOf course, you can use it to play pop songs in real time, set rep=
eats to max on both A and B channels, play the verse on A when chorus comes=
 hit B, record chorus and when done back to=A0 A, then you can switch to ch=
orus whenever you want. I forget the name of the setting to switch at the e=
nd of loop but thats the one to use.=0A=0ACan you tell I like Reverse? =0A=
=0AEnjoy!=0A=0AEric=0A=0A=0A      
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ons you will have fun. I got a boomerang for my first looper, also use Mobi=
us but because I am on computer for work all day, don't feel inclined to us=
ing it for fun (although Mobius is excellent, someday when I have time I wi=
ll investigate it further).</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>Some cool thin=
gs to do with the boomerang:</DIV>=0A<DIV>Feedback loop of amp (mine is ver=
y noisy when placed in front of the amp)</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>G=
reat as a delay, usually for stage setup I set B channel for small repeats,=
 and A channel for large repeats. So switch to&nbsp;B channel, then tap tim=
ing in on Record, then hit Stack. If you tap very quick two times on Record=
 you will get a nice slapback echo type delay. If you tap in longer time th=
en&nbsp;it is fun to occasional hit the Reverse button to get interesting s=
ounds, I like to tap it in time with the song that sounds good. A little tr=
ick when playing in this mode&nbsp;is to hit Stack off at the end of the so=
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I am contacting you seeking your partnership in this important project which involves Twelve Million United States  Dollars($12,000,000) .I need your quick reply so that I will give you more details .

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> Just picked it up over lunch. I love it already.
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Sounds great. Hope I don´t forget to watch it.
Is this the European time schedule?
Christo

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Subject: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update


Jeff said:
> This Saturday October 3rd is the date for the first ever Virtual Sound and
Vision Festival!

and let me add the following:
* We've got an impressive lineup for this event.
More specifically:
17:00 - Jim Goodin/Ray Istorico/Peter Thörn (USA/Sweden)
17:30 - Rainer Straschill "plus" (Germany)
18:00 - David Cooper Orton (UK)
18:30 - Steve Moyes/Agnes Hay (UK)
19:00 - Jeff Duke (USA)
19:30 - Flying Dream (Spain)
20:00 - Jean-Paul De Roover (Canada)
20:30 - Fabio Anile/Xavier Plagaro Mussard (Italy)
21:00 - Matt Stevens (UK)

* As stated, go to vsv.kybermusik.net for listening. All you need is a
computer with internet connection. (Free) registration with the
ustream service is not required for watching.

Yours,

           Rainer

*** VIRTUAL SOUND AND VISION FESTIVAL - October 3rd, 1700 UTC at
vsv.kybermusik.net - visit us at myspace.com/vsvfestival ***

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hi Chris,

I'll chime in here and direct you to http://www.myspace.com/vsvfestival
There is a spiffy UTC event clock and a link to a local time conversion app 
there. These times are in UTC (universal coordinated time)
Hope ya tune in!

Best,

Jeff



----- Original Message ----- 
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> Sounds great. Hope I don´t forget to watch it.
> Is this the European time schedule?
> Christo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rainer Straschill" <moinsound@googlemail.com>
> To: <loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 6:22 PM
> Subject: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update
>
>
> Jeff said:
>> This Saturday October 3rd is the date for the first ever Virtual Sound 
>> and
> Vision Festival!
>
> and let me add the following:
> * We've got an impressive lineup for this event.
> More specifically:
> 17:00 - Jim Goodin/Ray Istorico/Peter Thörn (USA/Sweden)
> 17:30 - Rainer Straschill "plus" (Germany)
> 18:00 - David Cooper Orton (UK)
> 18:30 - Steve Moyes/Agnes Hay (UK)
> 19:00 - Jeff Duke (USA)
> 19:30 - Flying Dream (Spain)
> 20:00 - Jean-Paul De Roover (Canada)
> 20:30 - Fabio Anile/Xavier Plagaro Mussard (Italy)
> 21:00 - Matt Stevens (UK)
>
> * As stated, go to vsv.kybermusik.net for listening. All you need is a
> computer with internet connection. (Free) registration with the
> ustream service is not required for watching.
>
> Yours,
>
>           Rainer
>
> *** VIRTUAL SOUND AND VISION FESTIVAL - October 3rd, 1700 UTC at
> vsv.kybermusik.net - visit us at myspace.com/vsvfestival ***
>
> ---
> http://moinlabs.de
> http://www.myspace.com/moinlabs
> http://www.twitter.com/moinlabs
> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions
> http://vimeo.com/moinlabs
> http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/
>
>
>